* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [A. Call to Order] [00:00:07] OKAY, I'LL CALL THIS OFF. UH, AUGUST 18TH, 2026. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. ROY. HERE. MRS. KNOLL? YES. MR. DRURY. PRESENT. MR. ROH? HERE. MR. SHEPHERD. HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION. I'LL CALL ON RABBI BERG OF THE SHALOM TEMPLE. THANK YOU, SIR. SUPREME AUTHOR OF LIFE. WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRECIOUS GIFT OF LIFE AND THE BLESSINGS OF COMMUNITY. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR LIFE ITSELF, FOR THE HEALTH WE ENJOY, WHICH ALLOWS US TO FULFILL OUR CALLINGS. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE ABUNDANCE IN THE WORLD WHICH SUSTAINS US DAILY. DEEPLY APPRECIATE THE FRIENDSHIPS WHICH SUPPORT US, AND THE COMRADERY OF COMMUNITY, WHICH ELEVATES US ALL. FILL OUR HEARTS WITH LOVE AND RESPECT FOR OUR FELLOW CITIZENS. HELP US TO SEE THEIR VIRTUES AND THE SANCTITY WHICH YOU HAVE PLANTED IN ALL OF US WHO ARE CREATED IN YOUR DIVINE IMAGE. REVERE YOURSELF AS A MIRROR WHEREIN WE CAN SEE OURSELVES REFLECTED BOTH AS WE ARE AND AS YOU SEE US FILLED WITH POSSIBILITY. POLITICS CAN BE A HOLY VOCATION WHEN YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE IT SO YOU ARE THE CUSTODIANS OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND SERVE A UNIQUE ROLE TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS OF ALL ITS RESIDENTS, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY BEING THE STEWARDS OF THOSE MOST VULNERABLE AMONGST US. BLESS THOSE WHO ARE HERE OR HAVE TAKEN ON THE MANTLE OF LEADERSHIP WITH WISDOM AND INSIGHT. HELP THEM TO REALIZE THAT ALL THE POWER, WEALTH, AND CONTROL THAT WE POSSESS ARE GIFTS. MAY YOU SERVE JUSTLY AND RIGHTEOUSLY WISELY AND COMPASSIONATELY DISTRIBUTING OUR GOD-GIVEN GIFTS WITH A BURNING COMPASSION FOR THE OPPRESSED, AND AN ABIDING CONCERN FOR ALL CITIZENS. MAY THE HOLY ONE GRANT YOU THE STRENGTH TO CONFRONT DIFFICULT DECISIONS WITH COURAGE, TO ENGAGE IN CHALLENGING DISCUSSIONS WITH OPEN-MINDEDNESS AND WITH PATIENCE TO HEAR BEYOND THE CACOPHONY OF VOICES THAT CALL FOR YOUR ATTENTION. MAY YOU ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH HAPPINESS TO KEEP YOU SWEET ENOUGH TRIALS TO KEEP YOU STRONG ENOUGH, HOPE TO KEEP YOU HAPPY ENOUGH, FAILURE TO KEEP YOU HUMBLE. ENOUGH SUCCESS TO KEEP YOU EAGER ENOUGH FRIENDSHIP TO GIVE YOU COMFORT, ENOUGH LOVE FROM FAMILY TO KEEP YOU AT PEACE. ENOUGH WEALTH TO MEET YOUR NEEDS. ENOUGH ENTHUSIASM TO LOOK FORWARD, ENOUGH FAITH TO THIRST FOR JUSTICE AND RIGHTNESS, AND ENOUGH DETERMINATION TO MAKE EACH TOMORROW BETTER THAN YESTERDAY. MAY THIS BE THE DIVINE ONE'S, WILL AME. THANK YOU, RABBI. NEXT. FOR THOSE ABEL, PLEASE STAND FOR THE ALLE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE NOW PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION. DEAR GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, WE WILL BEGIN WITH, UH, PRESENTATIONS. AT THIS POINT, I'LL ASK MY VICE CHAIR TO, UH, TAKE THE LEAD. [E. Presentations] OKAY. FIRST RE, UH, RECOGNITION A CALL ON SHERIFF MONTGOMERY TO RECOGNIZE SERGEANT, UH, CRYSTAL. L MINOR THERE. , I SAW EARLIER. GOT A UNIFORM. YOU WERE HIDING. I'M DOING GREAT. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. TONIGHT, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT TO YOU SERGEANT CRYSTAL MINOR, WHO IN JULY OF THIS YEAR COMPLETED 20 YEARS OF DISTINGUISHED SERVICE TO THE YORK SIAN SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SERGEANT MINOR BEGAN HER CAREER IN JULY OF 2006 AS A PATROL DEPUTY. SHE TRANSFERRED TO THE COURT SECURITY DIVISION WHERE SHE SERVED FROM 2011 TO 2018. SHE EARNED THE DISTINCTION OF BECOMING A DEPUTY FIRST CLASS IN 2014. SHE BECAME A MASTER DEPUTY IN 2020. AND THE SAME IN 2021, SHE WAS PROMOTED TO HER PRESENT POSITION, WHICH IS A SERGEANT IN THE UNIFORM PATROL DIVISION. IN 2021, SHE BECAME A GRADUATE OF THE HAMPTON ROADS TRAINING ACADEMY LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE. AND IN 2025, SHE GRADUATED FROM THE FBI'S LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVE [00:05:01] DEVELOPMENT SERIES. AND ALSO IN THE YEAR OF 2025, SHE WAS DEPUTY OF THE QUARTER FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. DURING HER CAREER HERE, SHE'D BEEN A MEMBER OF THE HONOR GUARD. SHE HAS A CRITICAL ROLE IN THE TOWING ADVISORY BOARD AS SHE CONDUCTS ALL OF THE COMPLIANCE INSPECTIONS. AND ANYBODY THAT'S AWARE OF WHAT GOES ON THERE KNOWS THAT SHE DOES A HECK OF A JOB THERE AND IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB. SHE'S JOINED HERE TONIGHT BY HER FAMILY, HER MOTHER AND FATHER IN VIRGINIA AND RAY MINOR, HER SISTER CONNIE, AND HER SIGNIFICANT OTHER. RICKY HARRIS. PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING SERGEANT CRYSTAL MINOR. THANK YOU, KELLY. THANK YOU, CHRIS. OKAY, NEXT, UH, SERVICE RECOGNITION. I CALL HIM CHIEF BALDWIN. HERE HE IS. OKAY. TO RECOGNIZE LIEUTENANT CHASITY D JOHNSON FIRE DEPARTMENT, 20 YEARS OF SERVICE. CHAIRMAN ROY VICE CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD. DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF SUPER BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. MR. BELLAMY, MR. HILL. THANK YOU. UM, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE LIEUTENANT JOHNSON. LIEUTENANT JOHNSON'S BEEN WITH OUR DEPARTMENT SINCE 2006. UM, SHE'S CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO STATION TWO ON A SHIFT WHERE SHE OVERSEES OPERATIONS OF STATION TWO. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU KNOW, IN THE SOUTH END, STATION TWO IS THE BUSIEST HOUSE IN THE COUNTY FIRE SYSTEM. SO SHE HAS HER HANDS FULL EVERY DAY. IT'S VERY ACTIVE THERE. SHE WAS PROMOTED TO SENIOR FIREFIGHTER IN 2018, PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT IN 2020. HER DEDICATION TO RECRUIT THE DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY, AND THOSE WE SERVE. DOESN'T STOP WHEN SHE GOES HOME, THOUGH SHE'S ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION WOMEN OF FIRE AND IS PRESENTING AT THEIR UPCOMING CONFERENCE. SHE ALSO SERVES ON THE STAFF OF CAMP FURY, WHICH IS A FIRE EMS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT CAMP FOR TEENAGE GIRLS IN THE CITY OF HAMPTON. I BELIEVE YOU'VE DONE THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. LT, SHE'S ALSO ATTENDED SEVERAL COURSES AT THE NATIONAL FIRE ACADEMY AND RECENTLY HAS HAD AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED ON WORK-LIFE BALANCE IN THE COMMONWEALTH CHIEF MAGAZINE, WHICH IS THE MAGAZINE FOR THE STATE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. AND IT'S CIRCULATED THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH AND NA AND NATIONALLY. SO WELL DONE. JOB LIEUTENANT. AS ALWAYS. AGAIN, IT'S MY PLEASURE MR. HOY TO PRESENT LIEUTENANT TONIGHT. CHIEF, PLEASE JOIN US. THAT'S QUITE A RESUME. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT SERVICE RECOGNITION. WE WILL, I'LL CALL ON TERRY HALL TO RECOGNIZE AMY D. MORRIS TELECOMMUNICATION SHIFT LEADER FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS TO HONOR HER 25 YEARS OF SERVICE. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BE ME AND MR. HILL. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS RARE OCCASION TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND RECOGNIZE SOMEBODY WITH 25 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN DISPATCH. MM-HMM . SO SHE CAME TO US FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATION, WHICH WAS A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT SHE QUICKLY BECAME ONE OF OUR KEY MEMBERS OF THE TEAM AND HELPED WITH THE TRANSITION FLAWLESSLY. SO SHE HELPED LEAD THAT CHARGE. SHE'S EMBRACED A CAREER THAT 50% OF THE PEOPLE THAT START WILL NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THEIR TRAINING. 25% OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRAINING LAST LESS THAN THREE YEARS, AND LESS THAN 3% WILL RETIRE FROM THEIR CAREER. AND THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL STANDARD. TWO YEARS AGO, USA TODAY SAID THAT A 9 1 1 DISPATCHER WAS ONE OF THE WORST JOBS TO HAVE IN THE COUNTRY, AND IT HAS MORE TURNOVER. THEY WERE IN THE TOP 10. SO SHE STANDS BEFORE YOU LOOKING A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN I DO AFTER HER 25 YEARS. SO I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, FOR 25 YEARS, SHE'S BEEN THE CALM VOICE OF THE OTHER END OF THE TELEPHONE. WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN. AMY HAS A DAUGHTER, LAUREN, WHO'S HERE WITH HER TONIGHT, AND HER MOTHER AND FATHER, JOHN AND LINDA AND NUMEROUS 9 1 1 DISPATCHERS COMING TO ACTUALLY HELP RECOGNIZE HER. SO IN HER SPARE TIME, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AFTER WORKING 12 HOUR SHIFTS, SHE LIKES TO GO HOME AND LOOK AT CRIME SHOWS ON TELEVISION. , I'M WITH YOU AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, WALKING THROUGH THE CENTER, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT'S REAL AND AND FAKE WALKING THROUGH THE CENTER, YOU'LL HEAR 'EM TALK ABOUT, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT HOMICIDE HAPPENED. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? I'M LIKE, WELL, HOLD ON A MINUTE. WHERE'S THIS GOING ON? HOW COME I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT? AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A CRIME TV SHOW. SO SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT ENJOYS IT. SHE LOVES SPENDING TIME WITH HER FAMILY, HER FRIENDS, HER DOGS, AND IT'S RUMOR THAT YOU JUST INHERITED A COUPLE OF CATS [00:10:01] TOO. SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. SHE LIKES TO TRAVEL ANYWHERE THAT HAS CLEAR BLUE WATER. THAT'S HER SPECIAL TIME. SHE IS CERTIFIED AS AN INSTRUCTOR THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. SHE IS AN APCO ASSOCIATION OF PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS OFFICIALS, UH, EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHER, COMMUNICATIONS TRAINING OFFICER AND COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR. SHE HAS RECEIVED THREE LIFESAVING AWARDS. SHE WAS NAMED TELECOMMUNICATOR OF THE YEAR BY HER PEERS. SHE'S BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE VIRGINIA GET GAZETTE, UH, AS A GUARDIAN ANGEL. WHEN I ASKED HER WHY SHE CHOSE THIS CAREER, SHE SAID, I LOVE THE JOURNEY IN BEING THERE TO HELP 9 1 1 CALLERS IN THEIR TIME OF NEEDS. SO JOIN ME IN THANKING, UH, AMY FOR 25 YEARS. YEAH, WE GOTTA GET YOU IN THE PICTURE TOO. CONGRATULATIONS, AMY. WELL DONE. OKAY. NEXT ON CALL. LET'S SEE SERVICE RECOGNITION. WE'LL CALL SARAH WEBB TO RECOGNIZE TANYA KIN. I HOPE I PRONOU THIS OUT. KIN AUDITOR FOR THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE TO HONOR HER 30 YEARS. AND PLEASE TELL ME, I GOT THE NAMES SHORTLY. SECOND, PUBLIC SAFETY. CONGRATULATIONS. SO TANYA, HAS EVERYONE BEAT WITH THE 30 YEARS. UM, SO THANK YOU TANYA. GOOD EVENING BOARD, UH, MEMBERS, UH, I HAVE THE HONOR OF RECOGNIZING TANYA FOR HER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE, UM, TO YORK COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONER'S REVENUES OFFICE. UM, TANYA CURRENTLY SERVES AS AN AUDITOR IN OUR OFFICE. SHE'S WORKED IN, UM, MANY ROLES IN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY DIVISION. UM, WORKED UP THROUGH, UM, THE, UM, OFFICE THROUGH MY PREDECESSOR. AND, UM, CURRENTLY SHE'S CERTIFIED, UM, THROUGH UVA AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE ASSOCIATION AS A MASTER COMMISSIONER DEPUTY. AND IF YOU KNOW THAT CERTIFICATION, IT'S A LONG, LONG, HARD PROCESS. SO, UM, CONGRATULATIONS, TANYA. UM, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGES, OFFICE CHANGES, AND YOU'VE BEEN A RESOURCE THROUGH IT ALL. SO, UM, ON BEHALF OF OUR OFFICE AND EVERYONE HERE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE. SO THANK YOU. SARAH, CAN YOU JOIN US? OKAY. AND CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, THE CHAIRMAN COMES UP. I'M GONNA CALL, UH, DOMINION ENERGY UPDATE PRESENTATION. CRYSTAL BRIGHTS, THE LOCAL AFFAIRS ADVISOR. CRYSTAL, WELCOME. THANK YOU. LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. OH, THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, CRYSTAL BRIGHT DOMINION ENERGY 30 YEARS. UM, I'M GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE BILL RATES AND BILLING AT DOMINION ENERGY. AND THEN I HAVE MY COLLEAGUES HERE, WILL MCCAHILL AND LUKE SCHRADER. THEY'LL TALK ABOUT KINGS CREEK SOLAR. BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DOMINION ENERGY IS IN YORK COUNTY. TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW, WE SERVE ABOUT 33,000 OF YOUR, UH, CUSTOMERS HERE. 30, 30,000 OF THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL. 2,700 OF THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL, EIGHT ARE INDUSTRIAL, AND 435 ARE GOVERNMENTAL. AS FAR AS CONSTITUENTS, WE HAVE 90 EMPLOYEES WHO LIVE IN YORK COUNTY, 15, WHO, UH, ARE WORKING IN YORK COUNTY, STILL AT THE POWER STATION, 75 RETIREES AND 895 SHAREHOLDERS. AND I'VE HAD TO CHECK, YOU HAVE MORE SHAREHOLDERS THAN, UH, ARLINGTON. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE. UH, AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE 230, UH, DISTRIBUTION OVERHEAD LINES, 410 UNDERGROUND LINES, 90 TRANSMISSION LINES OVERHEAD, THREE TRANS THREE MILES OF TRANSMISSION LINES UNDERGROUND AND 40, UH, MILES OF FIBER AND RURAL BROADBAND. AS FAR AS OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO YORK COUNTY, YOU'VE HAD 7,600 PARTICIPANTS IN OUR, UH, ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, INCLUDING OUR INCOME AND AGE QUALIFYING PROGRAMS. UH, NO ONE HAS A POD FOR ENERGY SHARE, SO NO ASSISTANCE HAS BEEN GIVEN. BUT AS FAR AS ENERGY, UH, SHARE, CUSTOMERS RECEIVING BILL ASSISTANCE, IT'S BEEN 120. UH, OF THAT $46,500 WORTH OF ASSISTANCE, UH, $16,000 HAS BEEN GIVEN TO CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR, UH, ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN YORK COUNTY. 130 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER TIME AS, UH, EMPLOYEES HAVE DONE HERE. WE PAID $3 MILLION [00:15:01] HAPPILY IN TAXES. AND WE HAVE, UH, FIVE VENDOR PARTNERS. UH, THOSE WE HAVE GIVEN A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO. BUT NOW THE REAL MEAT OF OUR PRESENTATION, OR AT LEAST MY PRESENTATION, THE BILL FUNDAMENTALS, AND EXCUSE ME IF I READ SOME OF THIS, 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION. SO MONTHLY BILL IS BROKEN UP INTO DIFFERENT PARTS. ONE PART IS A FIXED CHARGE. IT'S FLAT. IT DOESN'T GO UP AND DOWN. WITH USAGE, IT'S $7 AND 58 CENTS. THEN THERE ARE VOLUMETRIC CHARGES, AND LIKE THE NAME IMPLIES, IT GOES UP AND DOWN BASED ON USAGE. THEN THERE'S ELECTRIC USAGE, USAGE, EXCUSE ME, AND THAT'S CHARGED ON KILOWATT HOURS. YOU SEE THAT ON YOUR METER. AND THEN STATE AND LOCAL TAXES, DOMINION ENERGY GETS NOTHING FOR STATE AND LOCAL TAXES. IT ALL GOES TO THE COUNTY, MUNICIPALITIES AND THE STATE. WE'RE JUST A BILLING PARTNER THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY, BUT WE GET NOTHING FOR IT. SO, A KEY POINT THAT DOMINION ENERGY CANNOT IMPLEMENT ANY RATE CHANGES WITHOUT REGULATORY APPROVAL FROM THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE SCC. AND THE SCC IS CONSTANTLY REVIEWING THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF THE ELECTRIC RATES TO ASSURE THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE FAIRLY RECOVERED, ONLY LEGITIMATE COSTS OF PROVIDING ELECTRIC SERVICE. SO I WANNA BREAK DOWN THE THREE COMPONENTS OF THAT. UH, FIRST, THE THREE COMPONENTS OF THE VOLUMETRIC CHARGES. FIRST IS THE BASE RATES. NOW THE BASE RATES PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOVER REASONABLE AND PRUDENT COSTS, NOT HANDLED THROUGH RIDERS OR OTHERWISE KNOWN AS RATE ADJUSTMENT CLAUSES. UM, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO RECOVER A FAIR RETURN ON EQUITY, MEANING THAT WE GET A PROFIT ON IT. IT'S UPDATED THROUGH PERIODIC RATE CASES BEFORE THE SEC EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THIS STARTED BACK IN 2023. SO OUR NEXT RATE, UM, REVIEW WILL BE MARCH, 2027. NOW, RIDERS OR RACKS RATE ADJUSTMENT CLAUSES, THEY PROVIDE GREATER TIMELINESS AND CERTAIN CERTAINTY OF RECOVERABLE, UH, FOR SPECIFIC UTILITY INVESTMENTS. OTHERWISE, IT'S FOR THE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS. IT'S FOR LIKE OUR OFFSHORE WIND, IT'S FOR SOLAR, IT'S FOR STRATEGIC UNDERGROUND. UM, THEY'RE USUALLY, UH, APPLIED BY THEMSELVES, NOT IN A GROUP WITH OTHER, UH, REQUESTS. IT'S DESIGNED TO ALLOW RECOVERY OF A FAIR RETURN ON EQUITY. SO AGAIN, A PROFIT, UH, UPDATED ANNUALLY TO REFLECT NEW PROJECT COSTS AND CORRECT FOR ANY UNDER RECOVERY OR OVER RECOVERY FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND AS FAR AS, UH, THE LAST ASPECT IS THE FUEL FACTOR. IT RECOVERS REASONABLE FUEL COSTS, COAL, OIL, NATURAL GAS, NUCLEAR, UH, PLUS PURCHASE POWER EXPENSES. SO, DOMINION ENERGY, WE ALSO, WE GENERATE, WE TRANSMIT AND WE JUST GIVE YOUR POWER TO YOUR HOMES OR BUSINESSES, UM, THROUGHOUT PARTS OF VIRGINIA. NOT ALL OF VIRGINIA AND PARTS OF NORTH CAROLINA. SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE NEED IS GREAT AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GENERATE, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE POWER FROM OTHERS. IF WE DID NOT, IF WE HAD MORE GENERATION, WE WANNA GET AWAY FROM PURCHASING POWER. WE WANT TO GENERATE OUR OWN POWER AND FOR OTHERS TO ASK US TO PROVIDE POWER TO THE GRID. SO DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR RECOVERY, NO RETURN ON EQUITY. WE GET NOTHING FOR FUEL FACTOR. IT IS WHATEVER IT COSTS FOR ONE UNIT OF NUCLEAR TO BE MADE IS THAT'S WHAT THEY GET. WE DON'T GET ANY EXTRA MONEY FOR FUEL. UH, FOR FUEL. IT'S UPDATED ANNUALLY IN REGULATORY PROCEEDINGS, LIKE THOSE CONDUCTED FOR RIDERS AND INTERIM ADJUSTMENTS TYPICALLY ALLOWED IN JULY. SO FOR A THOUSAND KILOWATT HOURS. AND THIS IS A STANDARD FOR ALL ELECTRIC UTILITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY USE A THOUSAND KILOWATTS TO KIND OF JUDGE WHAT THE BILLING WILL BE IN VIRGINIA, IT'LL BE $180 AND 79 CENTS. AND I'LL, THE NEXT SCREEN WILL SHOW YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT. SO THERE WERE TWO, ACTUALLY MORE, TWO SIGNIFICANT RAISES IN THE BILL RATE. FIRST WAS THE RIDER FOR, UM, FIRST WAS THE RIDER, EXCUSE ME, FOR, UH, ELECTRIC ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, COASTAL VIRGINIA OFFSHORE WIND, NUCLEAR UPGRADES AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS, RENEWABLE PORTFOLIO STANDARD AND ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION COSTS. SO THAT HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER. THEN THE NEXT BIG RAISE WAS THE BASE RAISE. UM, THAT WAS RAISED UP IN JANUARY 1ST. UH, AND THAT COVERS, UM, EMPLOYEES, UM, MATERIALS, EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEN THE FUEL FACTOR THAT WAS RAISED, UM, AFTER THE SEC APPROVED IT IN MAY, 2025 [00:20:01] ON AN INTERIM CHARGE, ON AN INTERIM BASIS, UH, IN JULY, JULY 1ST. SO OVERALL $30 EXTRA FROM JULY OF LAST YEAR TO JULY OF THIS YEAR. SO HERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE 180. SO GREEN WILL BE THE RIDERS. SO YOU HAVE LIKE RIDERS LIKE COAL, UM, VIRGINIA CLEAN ECONOMY, UH, CLEAN ENERGY ACT, UH, STORAGE AND SOLAR, OFFSHORE WIND, UH, RIDERS FOR WRECK PUR PURCHASES. AND THEN THE ORANGE, THE FUEL. SO THE FUEL FACTOR IS INCLUDING PURCHASE POWER AND ALL THE POWER THAT WHEN ALL THE GENERATION THAT WE USE AS FAR AS NUCLEAR, UH, COAL, BIOMASS, GAS. AND THEN THE BOTTOM IS THE BASIC CUSTOMER CHARGE AND THE BASIC CUSTOMER BILLING. SO ALL OF THAT EQUALS TO 180, 79. OOPS. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. AS FAR AS SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY FILINGS IN 2025, THE FUEL FACTOR UPDATE OCCURRED IS NECESSARY TO RECOVER COSTS DURING THE EXTENDED COLD WINTER IN JANUARY, 2025. UM, SO WITH THAT IS A TEMPORARY FUEL CREDIT THAT'S EXPIRING AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE FUEL RATE HAD GONE UP THIS YEAR. 'CAUSE IT'S EXPIRED LAST YEAR. UM, THE 2025 BIANNUAL REVIEW OF, UM, BASE RATES, THE LAST TIME THE RATES HAD BEEN RAISED WAS 1992 . YEAH, WE HADN'T RAISED ANY RATES SINCE THEN. SO, UM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE RISING COST OF LABOR MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT INVESTMENTS WERE NEEDED. AND IT WAS HONESTLY LONG OVERDUE. I MEAN, EVEN DOLLAR TREE HAS RAISED THEIR PRICES, UH, PROPOSE A SEPARATE RATE CLASS FOR HIGH ENERGY USER. THIS IS GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS. UH, AND I'LL GET MORE INTO DATA CENTERS LATER ON. BUT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THOSE, UH, ENTITIES THAT WERE DRAWING MORE THAN 25 MEGAWATTS. UM, AND WE ALSO PROPOSE CONTRACT TERMS WITH HIGH ENERGY CUSTOMERS. IT'S NOT JUST DATA CENTERS. THERE ARE OTHER CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING A LOT OF POWER, BUT IT REALLY TARGETS THEM. SO IN 2026, FUEL FACTOR UPDATE, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS JUST RAISED JULY 1ST. IT WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF HIGH FUEL COMMODITY PURCHASE POWER COSTS, ESPECIALLY DURING THE EXTREME WEATHER. SO IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, JANUARY OF LAST YEAR, A LOT OF COLD AND A LOT OF HEAT. AND I'LL SHOW YOU ANOTHER SCREEN WHERE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF HIGH WEATHER, HIGH, UH, IMPACT DAYS. SECURITIZATION PROPOSAL WILL REDUCE NEAR TERM IMPACT VERSUS BUSINESS AS USUAL METHOD AND FUEL COSTS ARE A PASS THROUGH. AGAIN, DOMINION ENERGY GETS NO MONEY. NO, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING FOR THE FUEL COST. IT'S DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR PASS THROUGH. SO WE ALSO ADDED A TRANSMISSION RIDER. THAT'S GONNA BE A DOWNWARD TREND FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, MEANING THAT OVER THE YEARS, THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE, UH, TRANSMISSION PORTION OF THE RIDER WILL GET LOWER WHILE OTHER, UH, CORPORATIONS AND LARGER BUSINESSES WILL GET HIGHER. SO HERE IS THE DEMAND PEAKS, AND THIS IS THE TOP 10 OF THE 10. NINE OF THEM WERE THIS YEAR. FIVE OF THE TOP 10 DAYS WERE JULY. JUST THE MONTH OF JULY TOP 10 DAYS. ONLY ONE FROM THE TOP 10 LIST WAS LAST YEAR. WE'RE USING A LOT OF POWER AND WE NEED TO BRING ON MORE. UM, RIGHT NOW THE FASTEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO PURCHASE THE POWER. UM, BUT WE LOVE TO BRING ON OUR OWN GENERATION. UH, IT JUST TAKES TIME. SO SUMMER PEAKS OFTEN AND LATE AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENINGS, WINTER PEAKS IN THE MORNING, FIVE OF THE 10 ALL-TIME RECORDS WERE SET IN JULY, 2026 ALONE. UM, FUEL COSTS ARE INFLUENCED BY THE NEED DURING THE PEAK DEMAND, DURING EXTREME WEATHER, AND MORE IN-STATE GENERATION, YES, TO REDUCE EXPOSURE TO IMPORT IMPORTED POWER COSTS. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE GENERATION HERE. SO THIS IS THE TRANSMISSION RIDER I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE. UM, IT'S A MULTI-YEAR AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BLUE IS A RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE LINE IS GOING DOWN, WHICH MEANS THAT OVER THE YEARS, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WILL HAVE LESS TO, UH, PAY FOR AS FAR AS TRANSMISSION THAN OTHER CUSTOMERS. HMM, I KNOW. SO I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD THIS FROM US BEFORE. UH, AND IT IS TRUE , OUR IN COMPARISON TO DOMINION ENERGY VERSUS THE NATIONAL AND REGIONAL AVERAGES, OUR BILLS TEND TO BE A LOT LESS THAN EVERYONE ELSE'S. THAT INCLUDES NATIONAL EAST COAST, MID MIDDLE ATLANTIC, AND NEW ENGLAND. SO AS FAR AS DATA CENTERS, KEY CONCERNS THAT EVERYONE HAS, WILL THE COST BE UNFAIRLY PASSED ON TO CUSTOMERS? IS IT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE BEING BUILT FASTER THAN NECESSARY? IS DEMAND GROWTH JEOPARDIZING ELECTRIC [00:25:01] GRID RELIABILITY? AND OUR FRAMEWORK, WHAT WE DID WAS WE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS BY CREATING A NEW CLASS FOR THE, UH, BILLS FOR THOSE CUSTOMERS. SO THERE ARE G SIX FIVE, AND I'LL GO OVER WHAT EXACTLY THAT THEY GET FOR THAT. UM, THAT WE CREATED A NEW CONTRACTING, UH, PROCESS WITH MULTIPLE STAGES. AND WE HAVE A QUEUE FOR SERVICE CONNECTIONS. SO IT'S NOT, HEY, WE CAN, WE COME IN AND PUT IN A DATA CENTER. IT TAKES A WHILE. SO OUR OUTCOMES DATA CENTERS KEEP PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, UH, THE RISK OF OVERBUILDING THE GRID. THE GRID IS MINIMIZED. 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA JEOPARDIZE THE RELIABILITY FOR OUR REGULAR CUSTOMERS. UH, THE PACE OF NEW CUSTOMER GROWTH IS CONTROLLED AND RELI RELIABILITY REMAINS THE UTILITY'S TOP PRIORITY. SO HOW DO WE GET HERE? UM, A STUDY ORDERED BY VIRGINIA STATE GOVERNMENT FINDS THAT DATA CENTERS CURRENTLY PAY THEIR FULL COST OF SERVICE. SO AS FAR AS THEIR USAGE, THEY'RE PAYING THEIR, THEIR FULL COST CUSTOMERS ARE RIGHT TO SAY, BUT IT'S GONNA RAISE MY BILL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO FEED THESE, UH, DATA CENTERS AND OTHER LARGE CUSTOMERS. SO IN 2025, WE FILED, UH, DURING OUR BIANNUAL REVIEW A PETITION, INCLUDING A REQUEST TO RE TO CREATE A NEW RATE CLASS AND STRONGER CONTRACT RULES IF THEY'RE GONNA COMMIT TO TAKING A BIG SWATH OF LAND. AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF, UH, DISRUPTING CUSTOMERS, DISRUPTING, UM, THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO STAYING HERE IN VIRGINIA AND PAYING FOR IT. SO HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT HELPING US HELPING YOU? WHERE, WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU WHEN YOU TALK HERE. MM-HMM . YOU SAID THAT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING THEIR SHARE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO, UH, WHEN THE, THE, THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THEM PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. GOT ANOTHER SLIDE. OKAY. I'M WAITING. BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR TEEING. THANK YOU FOR TEEING THAT UP. . SO NEWLY INACTIVE VIRGINIA LEGISLATION COULD RESULT IN MORE COSTS BEING ASSIGNED TO DATA CENTERS GOING FORWARD. AND A NEW RATE CLASS AND CONTRACT RULES OFFICIALLY TAKE EFFECT THAN NOW BE JANUARY 1ST, 2027. SO THIS IS HERE , MR. SHEPHERD. SO RIGHT NOW, MANY DATA CENTERS ARE GROUPED WITH OTHER LARGE CUSTOMERS. UH, CHANGE IS PROPOSED AND ACTUALLY ENACTED, UH, A NEW CUSTOMER CLASS OF GS FIVE WILL CAPTURE MANY NEW AND EXISTING DATA CENTERS FOR RATE DESIGN PURPOSES. SO WE LOOKED AT CUSTOMERS WHO ARE USING 25 MEGAWATTS AND HIGHER, UM, AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CAPTURE THOSE DATA CENTERS AND MORE. NOW WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT ALL CUSTOMERS WHO WERE USING THAT. NOW, OUTSIDE OF DATA CENTERS, THERE WERE 14. SO THOSE 14 WILL BE GRANDFATHERED. SO THIS WILL BE JUST FOR DATA CENTERS AND ANY OTHER NEW CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN WHO USE AS MUCH POWER AS A DATA CENTER. SO WHEN YOU SAY CAPTURE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS? I, I HEARD, I HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAID UHHUH, . BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU CAPTURED IN THIS GROUP, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING. NO, I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF CAPTURE, WHEN YOU SAY YOU CAPTURE THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? CAPTURE AS FAR AS YOU USED THE TERM CAPTURE. OKAY. THESE, THESE, I GUESS IT'S NEW CATEGORY OF, OF USERS. OKAY. THE BILL, RIGHT. FOR, AND I ASSUME THIS USER GROUP OR CAPTURE WHATEVER MM-HMM . IS THE DATA CENTER. MM-HMM . YES. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? WHAT, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR YOU IS THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY, CUSTOMERS WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR TRANSMISSION LINES FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO FUEL THESE DATA CENTERS. SO I'LL GO, KEEP GOING DOWN THE LIST AND I'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THE, UH, PROPOSALS FOR THE NET PROPOSALS. BUT THE FINAL, UH, CONTRACT FOR, UH, THESE DATA CENTERS. SO RIGHT NOW, CERTAIN MINIMUM PAYMENTS AMOUNTS ARE REQUIRED BY CONTRACT JANUARY 1ST, 2027. MINIMUM CHARGES BASED ON TOTAL REQUESTED CAPACITY. RIGHT NOW, MINIMUM PAYMENTS AMOUNT MUST BE SATISFIED WITHIN FOUR YEARS. JANUARY 1ST, A STAND, A STANDARDIZED 14 YEAR CONTRACT, MINIMUM CHARGES APPLY EVEN BEYOND THE INTERIM TERM. SO IF A DATA CENTER COMES IN HERE, THEY SAY, YEP, WE'LL SIGN THE CONTRACT. WE'LL DO 14 YEARS. AND AFTER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? NO, I'M DONE. THEY STILL HAVE TO SATISFY THAT 14 YEAR TERM. THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY REGARDLESS IF THEY STAY HERE OR NOT. MM-HMM . THERE ARE EXIT FEES EQUAL TO MINIMUM CHARGES THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO PAY OVER THE INITIAL CONTRACT TERM. SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY SCOT FREE LIMITED ABILITY FOR CUSTOMERS TO DOWNSIZE DEMAND REQUESTS. SO THEY, IF THEY TELL US, HEY, WE WE'RE GONNA DO A 400 MEGAWATT, AND THEN THEY GET OUT HERE AND THEY START BUILDING AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M DOING A HUNDRED MM-HMM. WE CONTRACTED FOR 400, YOU'RE GONNA PAY THAT 400 FOR 14 YEARS. DEPOSIT PAYMENTS ARE REQUIRED FOR EQUIPMENT ORDERS. THAT'S RIGHT. NOW WHAT [00:30:01] WILL CHANGE JANUARY 1ST IS DEPOSIT PAYMENTS ARE REQUIRED FOR EQUIPMENT ORDERS PLUS ENHANCED COLLATERAL PAYMENTS. BUT WHAT ABOUT FUEL? BECAUSE AS YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF POWER MM-HMM . THE LAST LAYER OF FUEL IS A LOT, A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE FIRST LAYER. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . DATA CENTERS ARE GENERATING THAT OVERWHELMING DEMAND. RIGHT. ARE THEY PAYING FUEL CHARGES BASED ON THAT LAST FUEL IN OR ON THE AVERAGE? SO THE SCC WILL REVIEW OUR, THE FINDINGS FOR THE FUELS. SO FOR THE FUEL RATES, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT BASED ON WHAT'S BEING USED. SO THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE FUEL. I MEAN, WELL, THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE FUEL, BUT THE SEC WILL GO AHEAD AND RAISE THE RATES FOR THE FUEL FOR IF THERE'S USING A LOT YEAH. FOR EVERYBODY OR JUST THEM, FOR THEM TO THEM. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME CHANGES IN YOUR, UM, RATES, MAYBE LIKE 16 OR 17 CHANGES. AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE SEC REVIEWS OUR FILINGS. AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TAKE ONE PART OF THE FILING, REVIEW IT, APPROVE IT, AND THEN GO TO ANOTHER PART OF THAT SAME FILING REVIEW IT. AND IT IS NOT A BAD THING FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD THING. THEY'RE NOT JUST APPROVING ANYTHING LIKE JUST CART BLANC, JUST LOOKING AT IT AND GOING, YEP, LET'S JUST APPROVE THIS WHOLE THING. THEY'RE DISSECTING EVERY PART OF EVERYTHING THAT WE SUBMIT TO THEM. BUT CRYSTAL, I'M ONE OF THOSE MM-HMM . GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT RECEIVES ALL THOSE WRITERS MM-HMM . AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH IT. YEP. AND THERE'S NO COVER PAGE, THERE'S NO SUMMARY. THERE'S NOTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS. THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION. RIGHT. I GET, I'VE HAD 19 OF THEM I THINK, SO FAR THIS YEAR. YEAH. AND, AND I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR OR WHAT ISN'T. AND, AND IF YOU TRY AND OPEN IT, IT'S 200 PAGES OF BOILERPLATE AND SOMEWHERE IN THERE THERE'S AN ANSWER, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT. RIGHT. YEAH. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. I I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DO IT THIS WAY, BUT IT REALLY IS GOOD, BETTER FOR THE CUSTOMER. THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT JUST APPROVING EVERYTHING. THE CUSTOMER CAN ONE FELL SWOOP CUSTOMER. THEY'RE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE. YEAH. THEY, THEY'RE DISSECTING EVERY PART OF THE FILING THAT WE'RE SENDING THEM. I THINK WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THERE. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE LEGALESE MM-HMM . THAT'S PUT IN THERE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD, CLEAR STATEMENT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. RIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ABSTRACT. YEAH. THERE NEEDS TO BE A ONE PAGE SUMMARY OF WHAT THIS WRITER IS FOR, SO THAT WE CAN EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO THE CONSTITUENT. YEP. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU NEED, YOU NEED SOMEONE FROM THE SEC HERE, . THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT CUSTOMERS ARE STRUGGLING, EVERYONE'S STRUGGLING. I'LL RAISE MY HAND. OVER 30 YEARS AGO, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO POWER HAS, WAS CUT OFF FOR NONPAYMENT BEFORE I GOT TO DOMINION ENERGY. THAT'S JUST MY FAULT. AND I UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENS. SO WHEN I SAY UNDERSTAND, I TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENS. A LOT OF CUSTOMERS, MAYBE THEY'RE EMBARRASSED, MAYBE DON'T THINK WHAT WE'LL OFFER THEM PAYMENT EXTENSIONS. WE WILL, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER WORK WITH CUSTOMERS TO GIVE THEM BILL ARRANGEMENTS THAN CUT THEM OFF. NO ONE LIKES TO DISCONNECT CUSTOMERS. NO ONE WANTS TO REPO CARS. NO ONE WANTS TO FORECLOSE ON HOUSES. WE WOULD RATHER WORK WITH CUSTOMERS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO CALLING US ANYTIME TO MAKE PAYMENT ARRANGEMENTS. AND WE OFFER SEVERAL KINDS, SHORT TERM, LONG TERM BUDGET BILLING, WHICH IS AN AVERAGE OF WHAT YOU'VE USED. AND YOU PAID THAT AMOUNT EVERY MONTH. UM, WE HAVE ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, UM, LIKE ENERGY SHARE. UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE USE ENERGY SHARE A HUNDRED, WHAT WAS IT, 120 HERE IN YORK COUNTY THAT USED THEM. SO THEY HAVE BILL ASSISTANCE. WE DO WEATHERIZATION, UH, ENERGY SAVING TIPS. IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, ANYBODY CAN DO THIS. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A DOMINION ENERGY ACCOUNT AND GO TO VIRTUAL AUDIT, YOU ANSWER LIKE MAYBE SEVEN TO 10 QUESTIONS. AND LIKE IN TWO WEEKS YOU GET A BOX FULL OF ITEMS. I GOT, I DID IT MYSELF, AND I GOT LIGHT BULBS. I GOT, UM, AN EXTENSION CORD. I MEAN, JUST ALL KINDS OF THINGS. YOU CAN JUST, ANYONE CAN DO THAT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A DOMINION ENERGY ACCOUNT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ANYONE THAT NEEDS ASSISTANCE, ANYONE CAN DO IT. SO HOW THEY APPLY FOR ENERGY SHARE, THEY CAN CALL 2 1 1 OR GO TO THE 2 1 1 VIRGINIA.ORG FOR REFERRAL TO THEIR LOCAL ENERGY SHARE AGENCY. UH, UNITED WAY IS ONE. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL. UM, I THINK SALVATION ARMY IS ANOTHER GO TO, UM, OUR WEBSITE FOR AGENT LISTING. LISTING, EXCUSE ME. UH, AGENCY MANAGES SCREENING PROCESS TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY FOR THE PROGRAM. AND ONCE APPROVED FOR BILL ASSISTANCE AGENCY MAY THEN REFER TO CUSTOMER TO MANAGING AGENCY FOR WEATHERIZATION SERVICES. SO WE DO GO OUT TO HOMES AND WE REPLACED, UM, WEATHER STRIPPING AND INSULATION. WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING FOR CUSTOMERS. SO THE BOTTOM LINE FOR MY SECTION IS CUSTOMER USAGE IS WHAT'S GONNA BE DRIVING UP BILLS. UM, THEY NEED TO CONSERVE, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO PUT ON MORE GENERATION ON OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO CAN GIVE IT OUT TO OTHERS [00:35:01] AS OPPOSED TO US ASKING FOR ASSISTANCE. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE PODIUM, I'LL ASK THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. SO NO, I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UH, CRYSTAL MM-HMM . I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. THERE'S A COMPANY IN THE, IN THE, THE GRID, IF YOU WILL, THAT MONITORS AND MANAGES THE GRID. RIGHT? P-J-M-P-J-M. OKAY. THANK YOU. PENNSYLVANIA, JERSEY, MARYLAND. AND THEY MONITOR, THEY MONITOR THE ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ALSO DO IN THERE IS THEY HAVE A, A RATE. YOU SEE THE RATES CHANGE. I MEAN, YOU, THEY SOMETIMES THEY'LL CHANGE BY THE MINUTE, THEY'LL CHANGE BY, YOU KNOW, AND I, WHO KNOWS. YEAH. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE NOTICED, UH, WAS THAT, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAD THE HIGHEST RATE OF, OF ANYBODY IN THE, IN THE WHOLE, WHOLE, THE GRID PART THAT THEY COVERED. OKAY. AND IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. AND IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME BY ONE OF, UH, ONE OF THE, THE, I WANT JUST AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WORKS OVER IN THE, UM, CHE UH, CHESAPEAKE. UM, AND HE SAYS, THE PROBLEM THAT WE RUN INTO WITH DOMINION POWER IS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T GENERATE MORE POWER. YOU ACTUALLY JUST SUPPLY THE POWER THROUGH SOMEBODY ELSE. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A FEW, YOU HAVE A FEW, UH, POWER PLANTS HERE. MM-HMM . UM, AND I KNOW DATA CENTERS, IN ONE CASE THAT WE WERE BRIEFED ON WHERE THE DATA CENTER ACTUALLY WENT UP IN NEW JERSEY AND BOUGHT THE WHOLE, UH, POWER STATION. UH, SO THAT WHEN HE PUT THE POWER INTO THE GRID MM-HMM . THAT WAS THEIR POWER. MM-HMM . SO, I MEAN, I, IT CAN GET PRETTY STRANGE, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON THE DIFFERENCE. HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU COMPARE DOMINION POWER TO OTHER POWER PROVIDERS, THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY GENERATE IT? WHAT IS YOUR, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. LEMME KNOW. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? TELL ME ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, I, I KIND OF, MY SENSE IS THAT YOU ALL, YOU GUYS ARE DOING ALMOST STANDING. LIKE YOU'RE JUST, YOU GO OVER TO SOME POWER COMPANY AND ANOTHER PART OF THE GRID. YOU BUY THEIR POWER AND THEN YOU PROVIDE IT TO US. YOU'RE NOT GENERATING ENOUGH POWER TO, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. WE DO HAVE POWER GENERATORS. I MEAN, WE HAVE SURREY POWER STATION, NORTH ANNA, UH, CHESTERFIELD, WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, POWER GENERATORS. UH, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE DO NOW. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH POWER GENERATORS THAT FEEDS THIS FULL SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S REALLY HOT OR REALLY COLD? AND WE HAVE DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW. NO, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE GENERATORS. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE NUCLEAR, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE GAS, NATURAL GAS, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE, NOT COAL , BUT JUST MORE POWER GENERATING STATIONS. UM, BECAUSE WE ARE LIKE, 42% OF WHAT WE DO NOW IS PURCHASE POWER WHEN WE NEED TO. AND WE WANNA STOP RELYING ON OTHERS TO GET POWER. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I'M JUST AN OBSERVATION MM-HMM . AND, AND, AND SOME, UH, RESEARCH I WAS LOOKING AT. NOW, THE ONE QUESTION YOU JUST SAID THAT YOU DON'T USE COAL OR YOU DON'T WANT TO USE COAL. I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU USE COAL? UH, VERY LITTLE NOW. UM, OKAY. SO WE STILL HAVE SOME COAL. I MEAN, WE HAVE MOUNT STORM, WHICH IS IN WEST VIRGINIA. THAT'S ALL COAL, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE MOUNT STORM IN WEST VIRGINIA. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PRIMARY SOURCE? WHAT IS YOUR FUEL SOURCE? EVERYTHING. UM, RIGHT NOW, NATURAL GAS IS PROBABLY HIGH. UM, WE HAVE SOLAR, WE HAVE, UM, NUCLEAR, OF COURSE, UH, WE HAVE BIOMASS. BUT WHAT IS THE BIG ONE? WHAT IS THE, IS IT, IS IT, UH, FUEL OR SOME KIND OF, I MEAN, UH, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IT, DIESEL OR SOMETHING? WHAT DO YOU GUYS BURN? WHAT DO WE BURN? MAKE NATURAL. WHAT DO YOU BURN TO GENERATE GOOD POWER? NATURAL GAS. IT, UH, IT'S CROSS BETWEEN NATURAL GAS. YEAH. NATURAL GAS. AND WE ALSO USE, UM, NUCLEAR MM-HMM . BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOLAR AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW OFFSHORE WIND, I YOU HAVE COMPONENTS. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE LARGE, THE LARGEST OF YOUR COMPONENTS WE'RE? YEAH, WE'RE DOING IT ALL. YEAH. ABOVE, ABOVE ALL STRATEGY. MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, PRESENTATION. UM, I, I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, MR. SHEPHERD SAID MM-HMM . UH, ONE IS, WHY WAS THE YORKTOWN PLANT SHUT DOWN? WAS IT BEYOND ITS YEARS? AND IT WASN'T WORTH PUTTING THE MONEY INTO IT TO REGENERATE IT, MY SYSTEM. SO IT WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE COAL ASPECT. UM, WE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM COAL. WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT VERY SLOWLY. UM, OUR BIGGEST COAL PLANT RIGHT NOW IS MOUNT STORM. MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON. UH, IT'S VERY COSTLY TO KEEP UP A COAL PLANT, UM, BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE COAL ASH AND ALL THE EPA REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON. SO IT WAS STRICTLY COAL? YES. OKAY. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO I, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO START GENERATING MORE POWER? IS, IS THERE PLANS IN THE WORKS TO START ANOTHER POWER PLANT SOMEWHERE? ACTUALLY, YEAH. THANK YOU FOR SETTING THAT UP. OKAY. YES. GOOD. WE [00:40:01] HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON IN, UM, CHESTERFIELD, WE CALL IT CRC. IT'S UM, CHESTERFIELD EMERGENCY LIKE RESPONSE. I FORGET THE ACTUAL, WE USE A LOT OF ACRONYMS. MM-HMM . YEAH. BUT THIS WILL BE A COMBINED FUEL STATION. AND WHAT IT'LL BE IS IF WE ARE, IF WE'VE LOST POWER, WE'RE ABLE TO GO TO THAT STATION, FLICK A SWITCH, ESSENTIALLY, AND IT'LL PROVIDE POWER TO LIKE, I THINK OVER 600,000 CUSTOMERS AND IN 11 MINUTES AS OPPOSED TO A DAY . MM-HMM . OR TWO DAYS. MM-HMM . IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GEAR UP LIKE OUR OLD, UM, YORK TIME POWER STATION DID FOR THAT. YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT LIKE A DAY FOR IT TO LIKE WARM UP AND GET GOING BEFORE WE COULD USE IT ON OUR SYSTEM. SO IS THIS GONNA BE A STANDBY UNIT? YES. OKAY. MM-HMM . IN CHESTER. SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A UNIT THAT'S GONNA BE POWERING 24 7. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WORK PLANS IN THE WORKS FOR THAT? WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL PLANS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITY APPROVAL, PERMITTING, SO, YEAH. BUT YEAH, BESIDES CHESTERFIELD, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NAME, BUT I CAN'T RECALL THE NAME. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S WAY TOO EARLY FOR US TO LIKE SAY, YES, THIS IS GONNA BE IT. 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE MUNICIPALITY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUPPLYING ABOUT, DID YOU SAY 40% AS FAR AS PURCHASE FUEL? YEAH, 40%, LIKE 42% PURCHASE FUEL. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE COST RAISE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UP 20% IN A YEAR. THAT'S A LOT. MM-HMM . IN ONE YEAR'S TIME. MM-HMM . IT IS $30 ON $150. IT IS THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES OUT THERE. START WITH THE TARIFFS. I MEAN, GAS IS UP, EVERYTHING IS UP. LIKE I SAID, I'M SURPRISED THAT WE WAITED SO LONG SINCE 1992 TO REVIEW OUR RATES. IT'S A LONG TIME AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES. WELL, I'M CERTAINLY GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MAKING DATA CENTERS PAY, PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BECAUSE IT, IT IS NOT FAIR FOR THE CONSTITUENTS TO, TO HAVE THAT ROLE ON THEIR BACK. MM-HMM . UH, WHEN THEY'RE, THEY SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, I DID HAVE, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, ON THE, UH, THE SUBSIDIZED 14 YEAR CONTRACTS. A COMPANY, A DATA CENTER COMES IN, THEY GET UP AND RUNNING FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GO BELLY UP. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? MM-HMM . YOU'RE NOT GONNA COLLECT ANY MONEY ON AT THAT POINT. DO YOU? YOU HAVE BOND ISSUES OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD COLLECT THAT. HOW WOULD YOU GET THE MONEY IF SOMEBODY GOES BELLY UP BANKRUPT? THAT WOULD BE FOR THE LAWYERS TO FIGURE OUT . WELL PASS THAT ON TO YOUR LAWYERS. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE OH YEAH. I'M SURE THEY ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT 14 YEAR SCARES ME WHEN DATA CENTERS CAN COME AND GO. IT SHOULD AND IT SHOULD SCARE THEM. YEAH. THEY, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE COMING HERE, THEY NEED TO MAKE A COMMITMENT NOT ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, RUNNING A BUSINESS, BUT ALSO TO THE AREA THAT THEY'RE, I HATE TO SAY RUINED, BUT COMING INTO YEAH. COULD. YEAH. BUT THAT WOULD BE TRAGIC FOR SOMEBODY TO GO BELLY UP AND, AND IT WOULD BE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THEIR MONEY. SO, BUT YEAH. SO THEY, THEY NEED TO HAVE A SOLID PLAN. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. YES. UM, SO, UM, OH, , WE TURN IT OFF. THERE WE GO. I HAD IT ON. ALRIGHT. I, MS. CRE, GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. UM, ALWAYS LIKE YOUR INFORMATIVE MESSAGES, SO PLEASE KEEP THEM, KEEP THEM COMING. I WILL, THERE'S A LOT. I CAN DO A DEEP DIVE ON THIS WITH YOU, BUT WE'LL, I'LL LIMIT IT TO JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, REFLECTING BACK ON SOME OF THE RECENT STORMS WE HAVE HERE THAT RESULT IN THE POWER OUTAGES MM-HMM . I WAS WONDERING IF DOMINION POWER HAS ANY ACTIVE PLANS TO HELP BURY OVERHEAD LINES TO HELP MINIMIZE THOSE TYPE OF OUTAGES FROM BRANCHES, KNOCKING LINES DOWN, KNOCKING POLES DOWN. SO THE GREAT THING ABOUT THE LAST GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS THAT OUR STRATEGIC UNDERGROUND PROGRAM GOT, UH, APPROVED AGAIN. SO YES, WE ARE STILL DOING, UM, THE STRATEGIC UNDERGROUND PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S WHERE RESIDENTIAL SERVICES, UH, NOT THE MAIN LINES. RIGHT. FOR THE MAIN LINES, WE'RE STILL DOING TREE TRIMMINGS. UM, THE PROBLEM HERE, AND I JUST PASSED SOME THAT THEY DID A LOT OF TREE TRIMMING, IS THE BAMBOO. WE TRIM 'EM AND THEY COME BACK TALLER AND STRONGER THAN EVER. AND THAT'S WHAT'S GETTING INTO THE LINES. WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDERNEATH IT. ALL WE CAN DO IS TRIM. AND OUR TRIM SCHEDULE IS USUALLY BE LIKE THREE TO FOUR YEARS IN BETWEEN, BUT THE BAMBOO GROWS UP VERY QUICKLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO, OKAY. SO, SO THERE IS AN INITIATIVE TO BURY RESIDENTIAL LINES MM-HMM . YEP. WE'RE STILL DOING THAT. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK AT THE, UH, AREAS THAT ARE PRONE FOR A LOT OF OUTAGES MM-HMM . UM, SO IF THEY ARE HAVING AN OUTAGE LIKE TWO, ONE OR TWO A WEEK, YOU KNOW, FOR A YEAR, THAT'S GONNA BE AN AREA THAT THEY LOOK AT. AND SO THEY'LL DO A DEEP DIVE AND SEE HOW IF WE CAN BURY THEIR LINES UNDERGROUND AND IF IT'S FEASIBLE, THEN THEY'LL GO OUT AND ASK THE CUSTOMERS FOR EASEMENTS. NOW THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS . SO MAYBE ALL OF YOU'RE ON THE SAME STREET AND YOU SAY, NOPE, I'M NOT SIGNING THAT EASEMENT. IT COULD RUIN [00:45:01] THE PROJECT. WE MIGHT SAY, NOPE, WE CAN'T DO IT. OR WE SAY, OKAY, WELL WE CAN GET THOSE UNDERGROUND, PUT YOU ON A POLE BY YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN TRANSFORMER AND PUT EVERYONE ELSE UNDERGROUND SO ALL THE NEIGHBORS WILL KNOW WHO DIDN'T SIGN THE EASEMENT. , ARE THERE ANY ACTIVE PROGRAMS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. OKAY. BUT THERE'S A MAP ON OUR WEBSITE. IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND PUT IN STRATEGIC UNDERGROUND PROGRAM, THERE IS AN LIVE MAP THAT YOU CAN SEE. OKAY. WHAT PROGRAMS ARE IN, I'LL CHECK YOUR COUNTY. I'LL CHECK THAT OUT. UM, SECOND QUESTION, KIND OF FOLLOW UP TO MR. JURY'S COMMENT ABOUT THE $30 RATE INCREASE OVER OVER 12 MONTH PERIOD MM-HMM . UM, SOME OF THAT'S BEING DRIVEN BY FUEL COSTS. SO IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT IF WE SEE A REDUCTION IN FUEL PRICES IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE'LL ALSO SEE A REDUCTION IN IN RATES AS WELL? OR WHAT OTHER INITIATIVES ARE DOMINION AND POWER INVOLVED IN TO HELP LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO LOWER THE RATE COSTS FOR ITS CUSTOMERS? SO IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE RATE, COST ONLY BECAUSE THAT IS REVIEWED BY THE SEC EVERY YEAR. IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THE THEME HERE, THE SEC CONTROLS EVERYTHING. WE'RE JUST A PUPPET AND THEY SAY YES OR NO TO RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH. SO WE, WE HAVE THAT WAIT A MINUTE AND THEN I HAVE OTHER STUFF. HOLD ON. GOT IT. HOLD ON. AHA. OKAY. SO, AND I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. I THOUGHT, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I HAD IT IN MY NOTES. I DON'T HAVE IN MY NOTES. OKAY. BUT I WILL DEFINITELY GET THAT BACK TO YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . CRYSTAL. GREAT PRESENTATION AS USUAL. THANK YOU. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT OFF THE EATON PATH FROM YOUR PRESENTATION. THAT'S FIRST ONE WAS THE MERGER. YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY MENTION OF, UH, NEXT ENERGY OR FLORIDA NEXT ENERGY. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE, MOST CUSTOMERS WOULD HAVE IS HOW DOES IT HELP ME? UH, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT OR ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN, UM, SHARED WITH EMPLOYEES AT THIS POINT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE, UH, TO, TO THE AUDIENCE? RIGHT NOW? IT'S WAY, STILL WAY TOO EARLY. WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE IN THE ENGAGEMENT PHASE, , WE JUST A MONTH AGO PUT IN THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR THE STATE TO APPROVE IT. SO IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA, AND SOUTH CAROLINA. MM-HMM . NOT FLORIDA WHERE THEY'RE BASED, BUT JUST THOSE THREE STATES. AND FOR VIRGINIA, THEY HAVE 180 DAYS TO SAY YES OR NO. SO WE PROBABLY WON'T HEAR ANYTHING UNTIL JANUARY. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE HOLDING . HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING MUCH ABOUT, FOR ANYTHING, FOR ANYTHING ABOUT EMPLOYEES OR FOR CUSTOMERS. JUST WAITING. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION WAS A WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE. IT WAS, UM, I'LL READ IT. IT SAYS HOW UTILITY AND TECH FIRMS EDUCATE REGULATORS WITH BIG DONATIONS AND SACRED RETREATS. DOMINION AND NEXT ENERGY BOTH GOT NAMED IN THIS ARTICLE. OH, WOW. IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AGO ON IN WASHINGTON POST. UM, MY MESSAGE BACK TO YOUR SENIOR MANAGEMENT IS DON'T GET CAUGHT DOING THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S AN ETHICS ISSUE. OH YEAH. AND WE WOULD, AND WE WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN DOMINION IF THAT WERE IN, UH, CASE IN POINT AND, AND HAPPENING. SO ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T LIKE TO SEE YOUR NAME IN THE PRESS. I, I DON'T EITHER. ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT. , THANK YOU FOR A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK I FOLLOW UP WITH ONE PIGGYBACK ON DOUG MM-HMM . SO, UH, THE MERGER. MM-HMM . TELL US THE BENEFIT OF THE MERGER. THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED. WELL, I THINK SHE COULD TELL US WHAT THE BENEFIT COULD BE. SO IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH, UM, NEXT ERA IS THE BIGGEST UTILITY IN THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN NORTH AMERICA, THE WORLD. UM, SO THE EXTRA CAPITAL WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE PROJECTS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO, TO ADD MORE GENERATION ONTO THE SYSTEM. UH, I KNOW THAT FOR UH, CUSTOMERS, THEY'RE GONNA GET 2.25 BILLION BACK IN CREDITS, UH, ON THEIR BILL. UH, SO THERE'S THAT AND, AND EVENTUALLY HOPE TO SAVE THE CUSTOMER SOME, SOME MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A LARGER CAPACITY NOW AND THINGS WOULD GO BETTER. HUH. THAT'S THE HOPE. YEAH. NO GUARANTEES. BUT THAT'S THE HOPE . OKAY. THANK YOU. WHO'S, WHO'S REVIEWING THAT MERGER? WHO'S APPROVING THAT MERGER? UH, IT'S GONNA BE THE S-E-C-S-E-C. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. CHAIRMAN. OH, IF, IF YOU WERE TO BE INTERESTED, I BELIEVE MS. BRIGHT HAS SOME COLLEAGUES WITH HER THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE SOLAR FARM IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. YEAH. THAT'S THE NEXT PART OF THE, THAT'S THE NEXT PART PRESENTATION. AND IF YOU ALL ARE, ANY OF YOU ARE CURIOUS, UM, WE HAVE A TOUR FOR OUR SIRI POWER STATION IN OCTOBER. SO ANY, IF YOU, ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART OF IT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ALRIGHT. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE. WILL, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH [00:50:01] FOR YOUR TIME, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU. UH, MY NAME IS WILL MCCAHILL. I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH DOMINION'S PROJECT CONSTRUCTION TEAM, AND I'M CURRENTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KINGS CREEK PROJECT. UM, SO HAPPY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO, FOR A PROJECT OVERVIEW, AS MOST OF YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, THIS IS A 20 MEGAWATT SITE. IT IS LOCATED EAST OF PENMAN ROAD BETWEEN THE CHEETAH, MANIX AND WATER COUNTRY, USA. UM, THE SUB WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN LATE 2019. UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT A TIMELINE THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR HERE, BUT, UM, WE RECEIVED OUR LAND DISTURBANCE APPROVAL IN AUGUST OF 25. UM, AND THEN WE ARE PLANNING TO MOBILIZE, UM, THIS COMING MARCH IN 27 WITH SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IN THIRD QUARTER OF 28. UM, AND I'M GONNA GET INTO SOME OF THE REASONS WHY THESE DATES HAVE SLIPPED BEYOND WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE OUTLINE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S JUST WHAT, WHAT IS FAR FROM THE ELECTRIC SERVICE PERSPECTIVE? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? SURE. UM, SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE JAMESTOWN YORKTOWN FOUNDATION IS, IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THIS IMAGE HERE. UM, AND THEN THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD THAT GOES INTO OUR LEASED AREA. UM, THESE BLOCKS THAT YOU SEE ARE THE SOLAR ARRAYS. OKAY. UM, AND THEY COLLECT MEDIUM VOLTAGE AND THOSE GO TO INVERTERS. AND THEN THE INVERTERS TIE INTO A POLE FARM THAT WILL BE LOCATED IN THIS REGION RIGHT HERE. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR. UM, AND THAT WILL BE THE POINT OF INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN POWER GENERATION AND THE UTILITY, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS DOMINION DISTRIBUTION. WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SHOWING IN THAT LOWER LEFT HAND QUADR QUADRANT? IS THAT MORE SOLAR CELLS? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THIS SITE HAS, IT'S SURROUNDED BY, UM, PERENNIAL STREAMS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF RPA BUFFERS THAT WE HAVE TO AVOID. SO HOW MUCH POWER ARE YOU GONNA GENERATE OFF THIS SITE? 20 MEGAWATT. 20 MEGAWATTS. 20 MEGAWATTS, OKAY. YES, SIR. OFF THE TOP. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, SOME OF THE TIMELINES HAVE SLIPPED FOR THIS PROJECT, AND SO I WANTED TO REVIEW WITH YOU SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE RUN INTO, UM, SINCE WE KICKED IT OFF. UM, NUMBER ONE, IT IS A BROWNFIELD SITE, AND THIS WAS EITHER OUR FIRST OR SECOND BROWNFIELD SITE THAT WE'VE UNDERTAKEN. UM, THERE'S LARGE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS MM-HMM . WHICH, UM, IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAN THAT THE BOARD APPROVED SHOWED PANELS OVER TOP OF THE ARRAYS. UM, DOMINION IS COMMITTED TO SAFETY AMONGST OTHER THINGS. WE MADE THE DETERMINATION TO REMOVE THOSE ARRAYS FROM OVER TOP OF THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, UM, TO MITIGATE ANY RISK. WE DON'T WANT ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT FALLING THROUGH, UM, A HUNDRED YEAR OLD CONCRETE TANKS. UM, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OPEN VALVE PITS AND THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. UM, THESE ARE ALL GONNA NEED TO BE COVERED OR EXCLUDED WITH FENCES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS AS WELL AS THE OPERATION CREWS REMAIN SAFE. UM, THE SITE IS ALSO HEAVILY VEGETATED WITH KUDZU AND BAMBOO. UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THE SITE ADEQUATELY STABILIZED AND WE NEED TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF INVASIVE SPECIES WITHIN OUR SITE. SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO HAVE A ROBUST VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, BOTH DURING CONSTRUCTION AND IN THE OPERATIONS PHASE. UM, IN ADDITION, THIS SITE IS SUBJECT TO A MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN THROUGH DEQ DUE TO KNOWN HYDROCARBON CONTAMINATION. UM, WE HAVE DONE ADDITIONAL DILIGENCE ON THE SITE AND IN FACT CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE SOME HYDROCARBON IMPACTED SOILS. UM, AND SO WE ARE PLANNING TO TAKE ADDITIONAL MEASURES BEYOND THE TYPICAL EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL TO PREVENT ANY, UH, INFILTRATION OF THAT GROUNDWATER INTO OUR STORM WATER. UM, IF WE HAVE ANY OIL CONTAMINATION THAT GETS CONT COMMINGLED WITH OUR STORM WATER, IT'D BE A VIOLATION OF OUR DEQ CONSTRUCTION GENERAL PERMIT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM I WANNA TALK ABOUT BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE ACTUAL LAST ONE, UM, IS THE INTERCONNECTION DELAY. UM, APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO, UM, IN COORDINATION WITH OUR DISTRIBUTION PARTNERS, WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE RIGHTS TO INSTALL COMMUNICATION FIBER ON THE DISTRIBUTION LINE THAT WE'RE INTERCONNECTING TO. UM, AND THAT LINE RUNS THROUGH THE NAVY PROPERTY, UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT VISIBILITY INTO THAT PROCESS DISTRIBUTION, UM, IS RUNNING POINT ON THAT. UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THEM, WE CHECK IN MONTHLY IS THAT, UM, THE APPLICATION PROCESS HAS PROCEEDED THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS [00:55:01] ANTICIPATED TO BE WRAPPED UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH OR SOMETIME EARLY NEXT MONTH. AND THEN THE REAL ESTATE PROCESS BEGINS WITH THE NAVY, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE 18 MONTHS. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT PERMITTING TIMELINE, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE AT THE END OF THAT WHICH DISTRIBUTION ANTICIPATES SIX MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT THAT LINE, UM, AND INSTALL THAT FIBER. SO WHEN WE TALK THROUGH THE TIMELINE IN A LATER SLIDE, THAT THAT GIVES YOU SOME OF THE BACKGROUND WITH WHY, UM, THERE'S SUCH A DELAY FROM OUR ANTICIPATED MOBILIZATION TO OUR, UH, ENERGIZATION AND SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, THE, UH, STORAGE TANKS, Y'ALL ARE REMOVING THOSE? NO SIR. YOU'RE NOT, NO SIR. YOU'RE JUST NOT PUTTING ANYTHING ON TOP OF 'EM. CORRECT. OKAY. YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT. OH, GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. HERE WE GO. SO, UM, CLICKING BACK A SLIDE. THIS IS THE APPROVED SITE PLAN OVERLAID ONTO THE ALTA. UM, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A STORAGE TANK HERE. MM-HMM . THERE'S A STORAGE TANK HERE. OKAY. YEAH. HERE, HERE AND HERE. UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME STORAGE TANKS IN THIS ARRAY, BUT THEY WERE BACKFILLED LONG AGO. MM-HMM . SO WE ARE BUILDING OVER TOP OF THOSE. YEAH, I HEARD HIPPOPOTAMUS IS LIKE THAT. KUDZU, EXCUSE ME. HIPPOS LIKE THE KUDZU . SO MAYBE YOU CAN GET A FEW HIPPOS OUT THERE. YEAH. AND IF WE, IF WE CAN GET SOME PANDAS UNDERNEATH THE LINES, WE CAN GET RID OF THE BAMBOO WHILE WE'RE AT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUN BY HIPPOS, I KNOW WOULD BE RUN OVER BY HIPPOS. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I'VE GOT A TIMELINE HERE THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR INTO WHAT I WAS JUST DISCUSSING. UM, I, I STRUGGLED TO MAKE, TO HAVE THE DATES ALIGN WITH THE ACTUAL, UM, CALL OUTS HERE, BUT FOR YOUR AWARENESS, THE, UM, THE ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT WAS EXECUTED BY DOMINION AT THE END OF 2021. AND THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE. UM, FROM THAT POINT, WE BEGAN, UH, WE BEGAN THE RFP PROCESS TO IDENTIFY A CONTRACTOR TO, UM, ENGINEER PROCURE THE MATERIALS AND DESIGN THE SITE AND ULTIMATELY CONSTRUCT IT. UM, AND THAT, THAT BEGAN AT THE END OF 2022. UM, SO THAT KICKED OFF THE DESIGN PHASE, WHICH, UH, EXTENDED FOR 33 MONTHS UNTIL THE LDP PERMIT APPLICATION APPROVAL. UM, AND I LOST TRACK. IF I, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK ONE SLIDE. SO THE, THE BIG TICKET ITEM HERE IS THE, THE RECONTRACTING WITH A NEW EPC, UM, DUE TO ALL THESE COMPLEX ISSUES WITH THIS SITE, AND ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PERFORMANCE THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR ON SOME OF OUR OTHER SITES, WE MADE THE DETERMINATION TO, UM, PART WAYS WITH THEM. AND WE ARE BEGINNING A NEW RFP PROCESS TO IDENTIFY A NEW CONTRACTOR. SORRY FOR GOING OUTTA SEQUENCE. SO, UM, THAT PUTS US HERE. UM, IT WAS NOT LONG AFTER WE RECEIVED THE LDP APPLICATION THAT WE JUST MADE THE DETERMINATION TO SEEK A NEW CONTRACTOR. AND THAT PROCESS IS WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE TODAY AND IS ONGOING. UM, WE INTEND TO, UM, HAVE THE SITE MODE, UH, THIS MONTH IN ORDER TO FACILITATE A SITE SITE VISIT AND A PRE-BID WALK DOWN WITH OUR BIDDER. UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT SHOULD OCCUR BY SOMETIME EARLY NEXT MONTH, AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT NEW EPC CONTRACTOR ONBOARDED IN EARLY 2027. UM, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IS THERE ANY WORK BEING DONE ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL? UH, PHYSICAL PROPERTY, PHYSICAL WORK? NOT WITHIN OUR LEASE AREA. NOTHING. NOTHING WITHIN OUR LEASE AREA. OKAY. SO NO KSU NONE OF THAT STUFF STARTED TO BE CLEARED OFF? NO, MA'AM. UM, WE ARE, THERE'S SEVERAL OVERGROWN ROADS AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE LATER THIS MONTH OR EARLY NEXT MONTH TO MOW THOSE ROADS JUST TO ALLOW VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SO THAT OUR BIDDER CAN VIEW THE SITE AND PROVIDE US WITH AN ACCURATE BID. OKAY. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW LONG YOU'VE HAD THE CONTRACT. I MEAN, YES, MA'AM. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT THE HYDROCARBON IMPACTS? I MEAN, I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO CLEAN THAT UP HOW MUCH HAVE YOU HAD A DELINEATION OF HOW MUCH LAND THAT'S GONNA BE? UM, SO AS I MENTIONED THERE, THE SITE IS SUBJECT TO DEQS MATERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO, UM, IF WE ENCOUNTER HYDROCARBON IMPACTED SOILS, WE NEED TO ADHERE TO THAT. MM-HMM . THAT PLAN AND DISPOSE OF THEM PROPERLY. UM, IF, IF WE ARE, [01:00:01] OUR SITES ARE GENERALLY CUT FIELD BALANCE, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY HAUL OFF, BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GONNA ENCOUNTER CONTAMINATED SOIL AND THEN SPREAD IT BACK ON THE SITE, SO. RIGHT. OF COURSE, IF WE, IF WE GET ANY CONTAMINATED SOIL, WE'RE GONNA DISPOSE OF IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT MATERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN. YEAH. UM, AND THEN, OH, I'M SORRY. DIDN'T CUT YOU OFF. GO AHEAD. UM, I MENTIONED WE'RE GONNA DO SOME ENHANCED EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL MEASURES. UM, OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL IS TO INSTALL IMPERMEABLE LINERS IN THE BASINS TO PREVENT ANY, ANY OF THAT, UM, GROUNDWATER FROM INFILTRATING. UH, WHAT'S THE LIFECYCLE ON THESE PANELS? UM, I BELIEVE THEY ARE ANTICIPATED THE LAST 30 YEARS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LAST THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THE WARRANTY IS NOT FOR 30 YEARS. UM, SO AS I'VE MENTIONED, WE'RE IN THE RECONTRACTING PHASE. ANTICIPATE MOBILIZATION IN MARCH OF 2027. UM, WE COULD PROBABLY CONSTRUCT THE SITE, UM, IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS, BUT, UM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ENERGIZE THE SITE UNTIL WE HAVE BACK FEED AND ARE INTERCONNECTED WITH THE DISTRIBUTION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IS PUSHED OUT. A QUESTION FOR OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS, IS THIS IS AN EV R OF SITE? UH, THERE IS ADDITIONAL LAB THERE. DO WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING, UM, A, A, A PARALLEL PATH MM-HMM . FOR OTHERS IN THAT AREA TO HAVE ACCESS TO FIBER? UH, CERTAINLY THAT'D BE AN EVIE RFA DECISION, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THAT ARE ON OUR STAFF THAT SIT MS. RIGHT. MS. NOEL, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ON THAT. I AM. THAT SHE COULD BRING THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION AND THAT CONCERN. I THINK WE NEED TO MM-HMM . MAKE ME A NOTE. THANK YOU . ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT FOCUS. UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS IS PROCUREMENT OF MAJOR EQUIPMENT. WHEN WE SETTLED WITH OUR, UH, FORMER EPC CONTRACTOR, THEY HAD ALREADY PURCHASED, UM, ALL THE MAJOR EQUIPMENT FOR THIS PROJECT. OH. AND SO PART OF THAT SETTLEMENT WAS THAT DOMINION WOULD, UM, TAKE TITLE TO THAT MM-HMM . UM, WE ARE FINALIZING THE AGREEMENT TO, UM, ACQUIRE TWO WAREHOUSES, LEASE TWO WAREHOUSES. UM, ONCE WE GET THOSE LEASES FINALIZED, WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN TO, UM, SHIP THOSE MATERIALS AND HAVE THEM IN EPCOS CARE, CUSTODY AND CONTROL. UH, ANOTHER ITEM IS THE PERMIT TRANSFER TO EPCO. UM, I SUBMITTED THE BONDS AND THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AGREEMENT TO MR. ROBERT WALTERS WITH PUBLIC WORKS. HE ACKNOWLEDGED RECEIPT LAST WEEK AND SO I BELIEVE, UM, WAITING ON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND, UM, OTHER COUNTY STAFF TO REVIEW THE BONDS AND THE AGREEMENT. UM, AND THEN LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THEY NEED. UM, AND AT THAT POINT, OUR FORMER CONTRACTOR'S BONDS WILL BE RELEASED. UHHUH, THE NAME I HAVEN'T HEARD IN A LONG TIME OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT VECO? EPCO. YEAH, . WE'RE STILL EPCO WE'RE, WE'RE DOMINION ENERGY, BUT OWNED BY EPCO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE OUR, UH, OUR PERMIT APPLICATION STILL SAVE EPCO. OKAY, INTERESTING. ALRIGHT. UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE IN THE RECONTRACTING PHASE PLANNING A PRE-BID, AND, UM, I'VE WALKED THROUGH THAT TIMELINE. UM, AND THEN FINALLY CONTINUED COORDINATION WITH, UH, COUNTY STAFF AND CERTAINLY TO THE BOARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK WITH MR. WALTERS UNTIL WE HAVE THE, UH, LAND OF SERVICE'S PERMIT IN KO'S NAME, AND THEN WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO COORDINATE A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, UM, AT SOME POINT IF WE GET TO GO AHEAD TO BUILD IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS. NO, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE. UM, SURE. AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. I, I, I KNOW. SO HELP ME CONCEPTUALIZE 20 MEGAWATTS. HOW MANY AVERAGE OIL COUNTY HOMES CAN THAT POWER? IF I HAVE A PLUS CAPACITOR AM A DELOREAN, CAN I GO BACK THROUGH TIME? TELL ME, WRAP MY HEAD AROUND 20 MEGAWATTS. WHAT YEAR IS YOUR FLUX CAPACITY? IT, IT'S TOTALLY COMPLIANT. . UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M BEST EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE, I'D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP. IT'S 2000. OKAY. THIS LOOKS LIKE, YEAH. OKAY. I GUESS. AND, AND THEN KIND OF, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT GENERATES 20 MEGAWATTS, BUT HOW MUCH POWER DOES IT CONSUME TO RUN? AND SO ONCE WHAT DELTA ACTUAL USABLE POWER COMES OUTTA THAT? SO 20 MEGAWATTS IS THE NAMEPLATE CAPACITY. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT SHOULD BE WHAT IT'S GENERATING. THE SITE ITSELF GENERATES SLIGHTLY MORE DC ONCE IT GETS CONVERTED TO AC, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME LOSSES THERE. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SECOND QUESTION. AT THE END OF 30 YEARS, THIS PROJECT TERMINATES, WHAT HAPPENS TO [01:05:01] THAT PROPERTY IN THAT FACILITY? DO Y'ALL REMOVE THE PANELS OR, AND RETURN IT BACK TO BEAR LAND? WHAT HAPPENS IN 30 YEARS? SO WE HAVE A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED TO THE COUNTY, UM, ALONG WITH A DECOMMISSIONING BOND. AND SO DOMINION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECOMMISSIONING THE SITE. UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO RETURN IT TO, UM, ITS PREVIOUS HYDROLOGIC FUNCTION SO THAT WE CAN CLOSE OUT OUR BMPS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I'LL CALL IN CHRISTIE OLSON, UH, TO REVIEW THE, UH, VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY? MR. HILL, IT'S MY PLEASURE, UH, THIS EVENING TO INTRODUCE SOME FINE FOLKS HERE FROM THE VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL, UH, MR. ROB CROSS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND PERRY ARTISTIC DIRECTOR, DIANA STARKEY, THE MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. AND JOHN MARTIN, THE FESTIVAL ADVISOR FOR THE WILLIAMSBURG AND HISTORIC TRIANGLE AREA. UM, THEY'RE HERE THIS EVENING, UH, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND SHARE WITH YOU, UM, A NEW EVENT, EXCITING EVENT THAT'S COMING TO YORKTOWN, UH, NEXT SPRING. UM, AS EACH OF YOU KNOW, WE CELEBRATED THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF RIVER WALK LANDING, UH, LAST YEAR. MM-HMM . AND, UM, IT HAS BEEN A LONG-TERM GOAL OF MINE PERSONALLY AND OUR DEPARTMENTS TO ESTABLISH A COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL LIKE MANY OF OUR SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES. AND THANKS TO THESE FINE FOLKS AND OUR FRIENDS AT VISIT WILLIAMSBURG, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. AND ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR, UM, RETURNING EVENTS AND SOME OF OUR MOST POPULAR EVENTS, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO REINVENT AND BRING NEW THINGS AND NEW EXPERIENCES TO YORKTOWN. SO MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE THEM. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US TAKE A FEW MOMENTS OF YOUR TIME. UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D JUST GIVE YOU A KIND OF A BRIEF UPDATE AND TALK ABOUT EXCITING EVENTS FOR NEXT SPRING. AND YOU'VE GOT THE LEAST TECH SAVVY PERSON IN THE BUILDING HERE. IT WAS A BLUE DRESS. THANK YOU. SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BRING THIS NEW EVENT TO YORKTOWN AND WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, YORK COUNTY AND VISIT YORKTOWN. UH, WE'LL, OUR DATES ARE THE WEEKEND OF MAY 15TH. 16TH. WE'LL BE ON THE RIVER WALL LANDING, AND OVER THAT TWO DAY PERIOD, WE'LL HAVE, UM, EIGHT ARTISTS ON THE WATERFRONT, FOOD TRUCKS, CRAFT BEER, WINE, AND CIDER. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL. THIS COMING YEAR, WE'LL BE CELEBRATING OUR 30TH ANNIVERSARY AND KIND OF THE FOUR PILLARS OF THE FESTIVAL ARE BRINGING WORLD CLASS ARTISTS TO THE GREATER HAMPTON ROADS AREA. UH, EDUCATION OUTREACH IS A REALLY BIG PART OF WHAT THE FESTIVAL DOES. WE REACH OVER 40,000 YOUNG PEOPLE EACH YEAR WITH WORKSHOPS, MASTER CLASSES, AND STUDENT MATINEES. THE FESTIVAL'S ORIGINAL GOAL WAS TO INCREASE TOURISM IN THE SHOULDER SEASON OF HAMPTON ROADS. SO OUR DATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MID-APRIL THROUGH MID-JUNE, AND WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO BRING NEW PRODUCT AND NEW WORKS TO, TO THE STAGE. UH, WE MENTIONED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. THE FESTIVAL WORKS REALLY, REALLY CLOSELY WITH VIRGINIA TOURISM AND THE LOCAL, UM, VISITORS CONVENTION BUREAUS. UH, WE USE THE SAME COMPANY THAT VIRGINIA TOURISM COMPANY CORPORATION DOES TO GAUGE OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT. AND VERY CONSERVATIVELY OUR ANNUAL IMPACT ON THE STATE OF VIRGINIA IS 200, IS $20 MILLION. AND THEN WE, UH, ADVERTISE VERY HEAVILY OUTSIDE OF VIRGINIA AND GREATER HAMPTON ROADS. 32% OF OUR TICKET BUYERS OR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA THAT ARE COMING IN THROUGH THE FESTIVAL, COMING TO OUR EVENTS, STAYING AT OUR HOTELS, MEETING IN OUR RESTAURANTS. NOW, UM, I'M GONNA INVITE DIANA STARKEY, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MARKETING ISSUES AND THE NEXT STEPS OF THE FESTIVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIANA. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MM-HMM . WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS NEW FESTIVAL AND THIS NEW PRODUCT, AND AS ROB WAS TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT AND, UM, HOW WE ARE, UH, BRINGING VISITORS TO THE AREA, I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT AND WHAT OUR PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD. UH, WE REALLY LIKE TO DRIVE CULTURAL TOURISM. IT'S REALLY PART OF THE KEY MISSION OF THE VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL, AND WE DO THAT A COUPLE OF WAYS. UH, WE DO ATTEND QUITE A FEW, UH, TOURISM AND TRAVEL CONFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND ALSO AROUND THE COUNTRY. UH, AND ON THE SCREEN HERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE THAT OUR STAFF WILL ACTUALLY GO TO AND PROMOTE THIS EVENT AS WELL AS THE 30TH, UH, ANNIVERSARY SEASON. UM, WE'RE [01:10:01] TAKING FLYERS AND BROCHURES AND SUCH AND GOING THERE AND SAYING, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR YOU TO COME AND VISIT, WHETHER YOU ARE A TRAVELER INTER REGIONALLY OR THROUGHOUT, UM, THE MID-ATLANTIC OR AROUND THE COUNTRY. BASICALLY, WE WANT MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND STAY IN YOUR HOTELS AND EAT IN YOUR RESTAURANTS. UM, STAY LONGER, SPEND MORE MONEY. NEXT SLIDE. UH, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE DO THAT IS WE ALSO, UM, CREATE QUITE A BIT OF BROCHURES. WE BROUGHT SOME COPIES OF THOSE HERE FOR YOU. UH, WE DO, UH, FALL BROCHURES, SPRING BROCHURES, RACK BROCHURES. WE DISTRIBUTE THEM, UM, ALL OVER AND THROUGH VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION AND LOTS OF MAILINGS OF THOSE BROCHURES. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY THAT WITH THIS TIMELINE, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE YORKTOWN FEATURED IN THE FIRST BROCHURE THAT WE'LL DO, WHICH WILL COME OUT IN LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER. NEXT SLIDE. UH, WE ALSO WILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DIGITAL EXPOSURE, UH, THAT THIS FESTIVAL WILL BE INCLUDED IN. AND THAT'S BOTH, BOTH SOCIAL MEDIA, WEBSITE, DIGITAL ADVERTISING, VIDEO PROMOTIONS, SORT OF, YOU NAME IT. IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN ALL OF WHAT OUR PROMOTIONS AND MARKETING EFFORTS ARE, UH, FOR THIS WEEKEND. NOW, UM, I SAID VIDEO, BUT I WANNA INTRODUCE TO YOU JOHN MARTIN, HE'S GOING TO QUEUE UP THE VIDEO THAT WE'RE HERE TO SHOW WITH YOU. JOHN MARTIN, PLEASE, BERNIE. THANKS. THANK YOU. WELL, WE, BEFORE I PLAY THE VIDEO, UM, AND I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU THE, UM, THE IMPACT AND WHAT WE, UM, TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WITH, WITH, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM OF WHAT KIND OF FESTIVAL MAKES SENSE IN IN YORKTOWN AND, AND WHAT RESONATED. AND WE, UM, UM, PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE VIDEO FOR YOU TO, UM, SHARE WITH YOU A VISION THAT I SORT OF SAW ONLINE AND THOUGHT TO GRAB A LITTLE PIECE OF THIS AND A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT. IT'S, IT'S TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF WHAT WE, UM, PLAN ON DOING DOWN ON THE WATERFRONT. AND, UM, I THINK IT SUMS UP AND I, I'M GONNA SHARE THE, I'M GONNA LET THE VIDEO SHARE THE NAME AND HERE IT IS. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY. WELL, I'M STANDING NOT ALONE BY THE RIVER, BY HOME THINKING ABOUT THE DAYS I, ALL THE GEARS IRO OUT, CAN I SHOW IN THE RIVER? HELPS TO EASE MY WILL THE RIVER RUN, THE RIVER RUNS ALL DAY. I CAN RUN THE MORE I USED, I HAD AN HOUR TROUBLE AND I'M PAIN. I SIT BACK AND LET THAT WATER HEAL MY BRAIN. I, WHILE BURNING, OH, IT'S DELIVERANCE ON THE YORK RIVER . SO DIANA MENTIONED THIS, UH, TYPICALLY WE ANNOUNCE THE FESTIVAL IN LATE APRIL. I MEAN LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER. WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE OVERALL FESTIVAL, PUT OUT OUR FALL BROCHURE SO WE CAN GET IT OUT TO TOUR OPERATORS THROUGHOUT THE MID-ATLANTIC AREA. THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN EARLY JANUARY, LATE JANUARY, EARLY FEBRUARY WITH A SPECIFIC ARTIST LINEUP AND REALLY GET INTO THE HEAVY, UH, LOCAL MARKETING. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM HERE AND, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS NOW, WE'LL BRING, BRING THEM BACK TO YOU. BUT WE REALLY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU. ROBERT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU EXPECT TO BE DOWN HERE IN THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN AT ANY GIVEN TIME? SO WE'RE WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY FOLKS TO FIND, TO AGREE WHAT THE CAPACITY IS FOR THAT SITE OVER A TWO DAY PERIOD. I THINK THE NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN WORKING IS IN THE 3 35, 3500 TO 4,000 PER DAY. MM-HMM . BUT I, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GOT ENOUGH SAFETY IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, PROPERLY. WELL, I, I'M A BLUEGRASS FAN. I TOO, I JUST GOT A FEELING HEY, AND, UH, I JUST, I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD SEE THIS GETTING OUT CONTROL. THAT'S WHY I, THE, THE, THE FUN PART ABOUT IT FOR US IS THERE'S REALLY NO GREAT BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL IN THE GREATER HAMPTON ROADS AREA. SO I THINK WE'RE BRINGING NEW PRODUCT TO THE REGION AND THESE WE KNOW, UH, FANS OF BLUEGRASS WILL TRAVEL TO SEE GREAT [01:15:01] BLUEGRASS BANDS. RIGHT. I'M A HUGE BLUEGRASS FAN, SO I CAN'T WAIT. GREAT. HAVE YOU ANNOUNCED THIS TO ANY ARTISTS YET? ANYBODY INTERESTED? UH, WE'RE PUTTING FEELERS OUT WITH THE ARTIST AGENTS THAT WE WORK WITH ON A YEAR ROUND BASIS. SO KIND OF THE CYCLE RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THE BANDS ARE KIND OF WRAPPING UP THEIR SUMMER TOURS AND THEY'RE STARTING TO DECIDE IF THEY WILL TOUR NEXT YEAR, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE EAST COAST, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE WEST COAST. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FEELERS OUT THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROBERT, FOR YOUR TIME. DIANA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS SO MUCH. SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION ON THE BLUEGRASS VESSEL, THIS IS NOT A ONE TIME THING. SO AS WE BECOME IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, AS WE BECOME PART OF THE VIRGINIA ARTS FESTIVAL, THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT AND WE'LL BE ON THEIR CALENDAR YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH SOMETHING AND BE KNOWN FOR BLUEGRASS IN THE SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA AREA. SO JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL REOCCUR EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT'S JUST NOT A ONE OFF THING. SO, AWESOME. OKAY, GREAT. EXCELLENT. GREAT. [F. Citizens' Comment Period] WE'LL NOW MOVE TO, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. WE NORMALLY HAVE, UH, SOME COMMENTS I'D RAISE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT'S, UH, ONLY TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN, BOTH PEOPLE KNOW THE RULES. SO I'LL START WITH, UH, PAM POEO, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS PAM POEO. I OUT AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT, 2 3 6 9 2. QUITE A FEW REPUBLICANS HAVE TOLD ME THEY DO NOT LIKE TRUMP, BUT STILL SUPPORT THEIR REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. THESE MEMBERS HAVE THROWN AWAY THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL POWER, SUBJUGATING THEMSELVES TO THE RULE OF TRUMP. TRUMP IS THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN HISTORY IN REPUBLICAN STATE. HE'S DOING IT OUT IN THE OPEN. SO NO BIG DEAL. WHERE'S ROB WHITMAN AND WHY HASN'T HE SPOKEN OUT? HOW OFTEN DOES HE SAY HE SUPPORTS A PROJECT WHILE HAVING VOTED AGAINST IT? TRUMP SPENDS BILLIONS OF YOUR DOLLARS TO RECREATE WASHINGTON IN HIS IMAGE AND NAME. HE SUED HIS TREASURY TO GIVE HIMSELF $1.776 BILLION FOR GIVING HIS DEBT OF OVER A HUNDRED MILLION IN TAXES WHILE HIS FAMILY AND BUSINESSES ARE PROTECTED FROM PAST TAX FRAUD. THE 4,500 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN DC COST US 3 MILLION DAILY. WE ARE SPENDING BILLIONS A DAY ON A FAILING WAR. TRUMP SELLS PARDONS, OVAL OFFICE ACCESS, INSIDER INVESTMENT INFORMATION, AND FORGIVES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OWED BY CONVICTED FRAUDSTERS. HE ORDERS THE BOMBING OF BOATS WITH NO EVIDENCE OF DRUG RUNNING. HE LOST ICE MURDERS WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. HIS QATARI JUDGES COST US AT LEAST A BILLION DOLLARS. HIS WEALTH INCREASES BY THE BILLIONS FROM HIS NUMEROUS GRS. TRUMP WANTS TO REWARD CONVICTED INSURRECTIONISTS WHO ASSAULTED POLICE. HE VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION AND THE RULE OF LAW. TRUMP COULD BE STOPPED IF REPUBLICANS WOULD VOTE FOR NOT ONE MORE DAY OF THIS CORRUPTION. THEY COULD RESTORE PROGRAMS AND QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO DO THE JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN RAVAGED HEALTHCARE EDUCATION, RENEWABLE ENERGY, ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY, MEDICAID, SNAP MORE JOBS IN MANUFACTURING, HELPING FARMERS FUNDING FEMA AND NOAA STOPPING DISCRIMINATION. THE MILITARY OCCUPATION OF OUR CITIES AND THE CURRENT ATTEMPT AT RIGGING ELECTIONS AND A MYRIAD OF OTHER PROGRAMS COULD BE FUNDED IF THEY JUST SAID NO TO TRUMP. TRUMP EMBRACES GODLESS COMMUNIST DICTATORS ON TRUE SOCIAL. HE PORTRAYS HIMSELF AS SUPERMAN AND JESUS. HE ATTACKS THE PRESS WHEN ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS. TRUTH IS ALWAYS FAKE. HE PROTECTS WEALTHY PEDOPHILES, NOT THE VICTIMS BECAUSE HE'S AMONG THOSE IN THE EPSTEIN FILES BEING ACCUSED OF PEDOPHILIA. TRUMP'S DOJ PROSECUTES INNOCENT PEOPLE WHOSE ONLY CRIME IS P*****G HIM OFF. TRUMP'S TARIFFS ARE ILLEGAL. UNEMPLOYMENT INFLATION ARISING. TRUMP IS REWRITING HISTORY, CRUELTY, HATRED, AND DISCRIMINATION DEFINE HIS REGIME. TRUMP'S MENTAL DECLINE IS OBVIOUS AS HE CAN'T EVEN STAY AWAKE. UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD TO HEAVILY INVEST IN THE STOCK MARKET, YOU ARE PROBABLY SUFFERING ECONOMICALLY. REMEMBER THAT AT THE BALLOT BOX, WHO WILL STAND UP FOR YOU AND WHO REMAINS SILENT. MATTHEW 25 SPEAKS OF JESUS, A PALESTINIAN JEW FEEDING THE HUNGRY AND THIRSTY, WELCOMING THE STRANGER CLOTHING, THE NAKED, VISITING THE PRISONER AND THE SICK. VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU. AND AS MUCH AS HE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN, HE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME. JESUS SAYS, OF ALL THOSE WHO FAIL TO HELP THOSE IN NEED, DEPART FROM ME CURSED INTO EVERLASTING FIRE PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS. YOU CHOOSE WHAT IS RIGHTEOUS, PLEASE VOTE ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS, UH, MARK WILLIAMS. [01:20:02] MARK WILLIAMS, FIVE 13 CHARLES ROAD, GRAFTON, VIRGINIA DISTRICT FOUR. WOO WOO. THE RABBIS LEFT THE BUILDING, BUT I'LL SAY LUKE AND, UH, OV, IF I HAD A GLASS, I COULD BREAK IT. UM, CHAIR DISTRICT THREE WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH THAT 14 YEAR WITH THE DOMINION AND THE BANKRUPTCY QUESTION. THAT WAS MY FIRST. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT. UM, I HAVE ALREADY SENT TWO OF THE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THAT MERGER. THAT'S POTENTIAL THAT IT'S GOT 180 DAYS TO BE APPROVED BETWEEN THE, UH, POWER COMPANIES THAT BE BETWEEN THE THREE STATES. NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE DISCUSSED OUT IN PUBLIC. UM, BUT TAKE A REVIEW OF THAT ONCE YOU HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO. THERE'S, UM, SOME INTERESTING INFORMATION REGARDING SOME OF THAT. FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED A DEMAND CONTROLLER. SOMETIMES DOMINION OFFERS, UM, WAYS TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE YOUR DEMAND, BUT IF YOU SIGN ONTO IT, THEN THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF YOUR AC. THERE'S OTHER CORPORATIONS THAT DO THINGS THAT ALLOW YOU TO BE IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN HOME THAT YOU PAY FOR. UM, THAT'LL BE IN THE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SEE IN REVIEW IN YOUR OWN TIME. UM, I BELIEVE ANOTHER DISTRICT BOARD OF SUPERVISOR REFERRED TO THE UNDERGROUND PROJECT OF WIRING VERSUS OVERHEADS. THERE'S A, UM, COST BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO OVERHEAD THAT DOES SUCK WHEN A BRANCH FALLS THROUGH THE LINES AND TAKES OUT YOUR POWER FOR A DAY OR TWO OR 15 MINUTES, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE. WHEN THEY'RE UNDERGROUND, THEY HAVE TO BE DUG BACK UP. AND IF YOU OWN, OWN YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE AZALEA BUSHES AND THEY COME AND RIP YOUR AZALEA BACK OUT TO GET TO A A MAINTENANCE PROBLEM, THERE'S PLUSES AND MINUSES, EVERYTHING IN LIFE, INCLUDING ME STANDING HERE AT THIS PODIUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO THE, UH, THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS CALLED TIME OF USE DEMAND. YOU HAVE TO BE ON A SPECIAL BILLING CYCLE. UM, MOVING ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS THAN, UH, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HOW IT'S BEING RUN. AND IT'S BEING LED BY WATCHING THAT PRESENTATION ON WATCHING EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TAP THEIR FEET TO SOME BLUEGRASS MUSIC. UM, IT'S GONNA COINCIDE GREATLY WITH WHAT VIRGINIA'S DOING WITH THEIR FOUR 20 PROJECT WITH LEGALIZING MARIJUANA. SO I'LL SAY IT WHEN NOBODY ELSE CAN SAY IT. I'VE SMOKED BLUEGRASS BEFORE. IT'S TASTY. UM, SO LET'S WELCOME IN THE NEW MARKETPLACES. THERE WAS A BAND, UM, CALLED THE SELDOM SCENE. PERFECT, GREAT BLUEGRASS BAND. FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW BRISTOL, VIRGINIA WAS GOING TO BE THE NASHVILLE OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY UNTIL NASHVILLE MOVED TO NASHVILLE. SO VIRGINIA HAS A LOT OF FIRST, FIRST PRESIDENTS, UM, FIRST TIME TO WIN A WAR FOR A NATION. AND, UH, LET'S SEE HOW THIS, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE WORKS OUT A PROGRAM THAT CAN MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY FOR YORKTOWN EVENTS WHILE STILL BEING SAFE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BOARD. THANK YOU, SIR. AT THIS POINT, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO MAKE A CITIZEN COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD TO DELAY THE REMAINING TOPICS ON THE FIRST PART TO THE END OF OUR MEETING SO THAT WE CAN MOVE TO THE PUBLIC MEETING. SO WE WILL TAKE A, UH, [J. Recess] FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND COME BACK ON AT SEVEN 30 HEARING, UH, [7. Application No. PD-060-26, Marquis Crossing: Consider proposed Ordinance No. 26-17 requesting to amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying an approximately 22-acre portion of a 32-acre parcel located at 200 Water Country Parkway (Route 640) from Economic Opportunity to Planned Development Mixed Use, subject to voluntarily proffered conditions.] JEANNIE CARVER CARNER, SORRY, UH, SENIOR PLANNER TO PRESENT THE APPLICATION ON MARQUE CROSSING. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. SO THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO REZONE A PORTION OF 200 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE A 22 ACRE PORTION OF A 32 ACRE PARCEL, LOCATED AT 200 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. FROM CONDITIONAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MIXED USE SUBJECT TO VOLUNTARY PROFFERED CONDITIONS. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS DESIGNATED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES WATER COUNTRY, UH, USA AND THE MARQUEE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE EAST, UH, WYNDHAM GARDEN HOTEL AND ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT TO THE SOUTH AND WHITAKER'S MILL PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND MISCELLANEOUS INDUSTRIAL USES ACROSS PENMAN ROAD TO THE WEST. THE PROPOSED PROJECT MARQUEE CROSSING IS, UH, PROJECTED UPON COMPLETION TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 125 TOWNHOUSE UNITS, A CONVENIENCE GAS AND FOOD USE, AND TWO ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS. SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN, UH, ZONED EO SINCE 1995 AND DESIGNATED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY [01:25:01] AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE 1991. A MIXED USE OVERLAY WAS APPLIED FROM 2013 UNTIL IT WAS REMOVED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2023. IN 2014, A 32 ACRE PARCEL, OR THE 32 ACRE PARCEL WAS REZONED FROM EO TO CONDITIONAL EO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADJACENT WHITAKER'S MILL DEVELOPMENT. THE PROFFERS INCLUDED PREPARING TWO COMMERCIAL PAD SITES AND DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PLANNED WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT. IN 2017, THE BOARD APPROVED A PROFFER AMENDMENT AT THE REQUEST OF THE WHITAKER'S MILL DEVELOPER TO REQUIRE 150, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT PROJECT. IN LIEU OF PREPARING THE COMMERCIAL PAD SITES, THE WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT PROJECT WAS LATER CANCELED AFTER THE PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE OF, UH, THE DESIGN HAD TO BE CHANGED TO MEET VO CONCERNS. IN FEBRUARY, 2024, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED AN APPLICATION TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM EO TO PDMU TO ALLOW 314 LUXURY APARTMENTS, THREE AND A HALF ACRES OF CONVENIENCE, GAS AND FOOD USES, AND 15 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL AFTER WHICH THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTED AN INDEFINITE DEFERRAL UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CODE. THE APPLICATION EXPIRED ONE YEAR LATER. SO DURING THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, UH, PROCESS, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ON THE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, OF THIS PROPERTY. IN PARTICULAR, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS BEING POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MARQUES AND MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S PRINCIPLE CONCERN WAS NOT TO PROMOTE ANY MORE PURELY RESIDENTIAL REZONINGS IN THIS AREA LIKE WHITAKER'S MILL. SO LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. LAND BAY BA 13.2 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE DE DEVELOPED WITH ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THREE STORY TOWNHOME UNITS. A POCKET PARK, UH, A COMMUNITY GREEN, INCLUDING A STORMWATER RETENTION POND. LAND BAY A A 3.3 ACRE SITE WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR A SHEETS CONVENIENCE STORE, GAS STATION, AND FOOD USE. THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROFFERED THAT A SITE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED AND A FOUNDATION POURED FOR A COMMERCIAL USE IN LAND BAY A OR C PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF MORE THAN 80 FINAL CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR TOWN HOME UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. LAND BAY C, WHICH IS 5.4 ACRES, IS PLANNED FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, DESIGNATED FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS. THE SKETCH PLAN IS ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY, AND THE FINAL MIX OF USES WILL DEPEND ON MARKET DEMAND. THE REMAINING 10 ACRES WOULD REMAIN, UH, CONDITIONAL EO WITH NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THE PDMU DISTRICT INCLUDES GUIDELINES FOR THE MIX, UH, OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH THE BOARD MAY MODIFY DURING REZONING BECAUSE MARQUES CROSSING ENCOMPASSES LESS THAN 50 ACRES. IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR PDMU AND IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. GUIDELINES FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT RECOMMEND AT LEAST 1000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE WITH 8.7 ACRES DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. THE GUIDELINE IS APPROXIMATELY 8,700 SQUARE FEET. THIS PROPOSAL, UH, INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 10,150 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. GUIDELINES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INCLUDE A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 10 DWELLING UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 125 UNITS ON 13.2 ACRES, MEETING THE 10 UNIT PER ACRE MAXIMUM GUIDELINE. THE GUIDELINES ALSO CALL FOR AT LEAST 40% OF DWELLING UNITS TO BE LOCATED ABOVE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USES. THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS BUILDING TYPE REFLECTING LIMITED LOCAL MARKET DEMAND FOR SUCH DEVELOPMENT AT THE PROPOSED DENSITY. PDMU REGULATIONS REQUIRE 10% OF THE GROSS SITE AREA TO BE RESERVED AS OPEN SPACE, PREFERABLY IN CENTRAL AREAS THAT SERVE AS COMMUNITY FOCAL POINTS. MUCH OF THE RESERVED OPEN SPACE IS LOCATED IN REQUIRED LANDSCAPE YARDS AND BUFFERS, INCLUDING A 45 FOOT GREEN BELT ALONG MARQUIS CENTER PARKWAY. A 35 FOOT BUFFER ALONG WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY AND A 20 FOOT STEP BACK ALONG PENMAN ROAD. THE 22 ACRES SITE REQUIRES 2.2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, AND THE PROPOSAL PROVIDES 2.7 ACRES, INCLUDING A 2.4 ACRE COMMUNITY GREEN AND A THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE POCKET PARK. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE COMMUNITY GREEN WOULD INCLUDE BENCHES, WALKING PATHS, AND A HISTORICAL INTERPRETIVE DISPLAY. PDMU STANDARDS REQUIRE SHARED RECREATION AREAS AND ENCOURAGE WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USES ARE PRIMARILY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED, THE PLAN INCLUDES SIDEWALKS CONNECTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS. IT ALSO INCLUDES A BIKE LANE CONNECTION TO A POSSIBLE FUTURE BIKE LANE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. PDMU STANDARDS REQUIRE HIGH QUALITY COHESIVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL [01:30:01] AND SIGNAGE GUIDELINES THAT PROVIDE CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS THROUGH SHARED MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE ARE ACCEPTABLE, BUT DO NOT STIMULATE THE OR STIPULATE THE UM, SIZE OR HEIGHT OF SIGNAGE. LANGUAGE HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIMIT SIGNAGE TO GROUND MOUNTED MONUMENTS NO LARGER THAN 32 SQUARE FEET AND 10 FEET IN HEIGHT. PDMU REGULATIONS REQUIRE AN APPROVED, UH, PHASING PLAN TO ENSURE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS ARE DEVELOPED. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSE CONSTRUCTING THE TOWN HOMES, UH, AND PREPARING A 3.3 ACRE PAD READY COMMERCIAL SITE POSSIBLY FOR SHEETS AND MOST PROFFERED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING REZONING AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMERCIAL PAD SITES IN LAND BASE C WILL OCCUR AS TENANTS ARE SECURED. THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR TIA ESTIMATES THAT THE FULLY BUILT PROJECT WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 8,510 DAILY TRIPS. STAFF SUBMITTED THE APPLICANT'S TIA TO VDOT FOR REVIEW. BASED ON THE APPROVED ANALYSIS, THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENTS ARE RECOMMENDED. THEY PLAN TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 1 99 AND MARQUEE PARKWAY AT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE OF OFF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. ACROSS FROM THE WYNDHAM HOTEL ENTRANCE, A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED. A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SITE ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED OFF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. THE FINAL RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENT IS TO EXTEND THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARQUEE CENTER PARKWAY AND MARK AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. THE ROUTE 99 ACCESS ROAD. THE ENTRANCE FROM WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY INTO LAND BAY A AND AN EXTENSION OF THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT 1 99 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, UM, MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED FOR LAND BAY A, THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE FROM WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR LAND BAY B. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE, UH, 47 PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS. WHILE THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT ADDITIONAL ENROLLMENT IN SCHOOLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NEAR OR AT CAPACITY, PARTICULARLY MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY, THE APPLICANTS NOTE THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETE UNTIL 2030 WHEN ACCORDING TO MOST RECENT DATA PUBLISHED BY THE SCHOOL DIVISION, ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS INDICATE SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AT THE AFFECTED SCHOOLS. THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE ZONING ORDINANCES, PARKING REQUIREMENTS PROVIDING 308 SPACES FOR THE TOWN HOMES, INCLUDING VISITOR PARKING. PARKING IS ALSO SHOWN FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES TO MEET APPLICABLE PARKING STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT'S FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS ESTIMATES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE COUNTY OPERATING COSTS BY $1,475 PER HOUSEHOLD AND $925 PER BUSINESS. WHILE EACH HOUSEHOLD WOULD INCREASE SCHOOL COSTS BY $1,160. HOWEVER, IT'LL ALSO GENERATE REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY, SALES AND MEALS TAX REVENUE. THE ANALYSIS PROJECTS APPROXIMATELY, UH, $410,000 IN ANNUAL REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, WHICH IT CONCLUDES WOULD EXCEED THE ESTIMATED GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND SCHOOL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE PDMU DISTRICT BY PROVIDING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, OPEN SPACE, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, AND ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. IT COMPLIES WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY GUIDELINE AND EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM, UH, COMMERCIAL FLOOR AREA GUIDELINE. THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS WHETHER THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES MIXED GUIDANCE SUGGESTING THE PROPERTY SUITABILITY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHILE STATING THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ONLY OCCUR AS PART OF AN OVERALL MIXED USE STRATEGY FOR THE MARQUEE NORTH POD, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT EMPHASIZES THAT IT SHOULD, UH, INCLUDE A GENUINE COMMITMENT TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHALLENGES OF ACHIEVING THIS BALANCE GIVEN THE CURRENT MARKET DEMAND IS GREATER FOR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THAN IT IS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND RECOMMENDS THAT FUTURE MIXED USE PROPOSALS RECEIVE CAREFUL SCRUTINY TO ENSURE THEY CREATE COHESIVE, WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY. RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS IN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. THE COUNTY HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF EO ZONED LAND RELATIVE TO DEMAND. ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSAL WOULD CONVERT 13.2 ACRES TO RESIDENTIAL USE, 19 ACRES WOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SUBSTANTIAL VACANT COMMERCIAL LAND EXISTS NEARBY. THE MARQUES CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE DUE TO THE LACK OF FOOD USES AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD INCREASE NEARBY APPROVED HOUSING UNITS AND LIKELY ADD AT LEAST ONE FOOD USE, HELPING SUPPORT EXISTING AND FUTURE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. THE APPLICANTS MAY DEVELOP A SHEETS ON THE PROPOSED 3.3 ACRE OUT PARCEL AND HAVE COMMITTED TO NO MORE THAN 80 TOWNHOMES CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS IN LAND BASE [01:35:01] A OR C. SO WHILE THE APPLICATION HAS SOME POSITIVE ASPECTS, THE LACK OF A GUARANTEE THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR BEFORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS A CONCERN. THE APPLICATION IS NOT FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND APPROVAL COULD ALLOW UP TO 80 TOWN HOMES WITHOUT A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. STAFF THEREFORE RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BUT AS PREPARED, ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 17 SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. SO AT ITS JULY 8TH, 2026 MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD FROM SIX MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH FOUR OPPOSING THE APPLICATION AND TWO SUPPORTING IT. KEY CONCERNS INCLUDED TRAFFIC SITE HISTORY, COMMERCIAL COMMITMENTS, AND THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. SUPPORTERS CITED THE NEED FOR A NEARBY GAS STATION AND POTENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THE COMMISSION UL ULTIMATELY VOTED THREE TO FOUR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL LETTERS WERE SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THREE SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY AND FOUR ADVERTISEMENTS WERE PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY PRESS. STAFF RECEIVED FIVE EMAILS FROM CITIZENS AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND PRIOR TO TONIGHT, THREE EMAILS EXPRESSED CONCERN OR EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION. WHILE TWO OTHERS EXPRESSED OPPOSITION. THE SUPPORTING EMAILS CITED THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, EXPAND THE TAX BASE, ATTRACT INVESTMENT, AND MAKE BETTER USE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE OTHER RESIDENTS URGE DENIAL OF THE PROPOSAL DUE TO THE CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT TRAFFIC SAFETY, BLIND CURVES, LITTER CRIME OVERDEVELOPMENT, LIMITED WALKABILITY AND LIVE WORK PLAY AMENITIES AND THE LACK OF, UH, NEED FOR ANOTHER GAS STATION GIVEN NEARBY ALTERNATIVES. THE OPPOSITION EMAILS SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR THE PARCEL TO REMAIN EO RATHER THAN BE REZONED TO PDMU AND EMPHASIZE PRESERVING THE AREA'S QUIETER CHARACTER. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU JEANNIE. UM, PREROGATIVE OF THE CHAIR. I'M GONNA GO FOR FIRST 'CAUSE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT. UM, YOU KNOW, I I I'M GONNA START WITH A COMMENT THAT A 570 PAGE DOCUMENT IS JUST NOT REASONABLE FOR THIS BOARD TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND DIG THROUGH THE TRAFFIC COMPONENT ALONE. THE TIA IS 250 OR 270 PAGES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SUMMARIZED MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT OURSELVES, I LOOK AT OUR PLANNING STAFF AND I LOOK AT THE DEVELOPER TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING IT PRESENTABLE TO THIS BOARD. SO THAT, THAT'S JUST A, AN OVERVIEW OF CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH THE PACKAGE WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE LENS ON OUR DESK ON FRIDAY, AND WE'RE EXPECTED TO DO A REASONABLE JOB OF PREPARING OURSELVES FOR A MEETING ON TUESDAY, IT'S INSUFFICIENT. RIGHT? THEY ARE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE CERTAIN, UM, I WOULD THOSE TABLES AT THE END FOR VDOT, BUT WE CAN TAKE THOSE OUT FOR YOUR CONSUMPTION. I WOULD ACCEPT A CHAT GPT SUMMARY OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ON ONE PAGE. YEP. THANK YOU . A HUNDRED PERCENT. LET ME, UH, MOVE ON TO PARKING. SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY FOR THE TOWNHOUSE PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? SO FOR, IF IT'S GONNA BE 125 TOWN HOMES, THAT'S 313 PARKING SPACES. IF IT'S 123 TOWN HOMES, THAT'S 308 PARKING SPACES. IF IT'S 117 TOWN HOMES, IT'S 293 PARKING SPACES. THEIR PROPOSAL HAS CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE TIME, SLIGHTLY BETWEEN 1 25 AND ONE 17. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL HOLD THAT, HOLD THAT QUESTION UNTIL THE DEVELOPER IS ON THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY. WOULD YOU KINDLY SUMMARIZE WHY THE COUNTY REQUESTED A THIRD PARTY SERVICE TO, UH, ANALYZE THE STUDY ISSUED BY TED FIGUERA INC. IT WAS REQUESTED BY CITIZENS, SO MY DIRECTOR TOOK IT TO, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, UM, AND THEY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD WITH IT. I DON'T THINK IT WAS JUST CITIZENS. I THINK THERE WERE SOME BOARD MEMBERS INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL. UM, WHAT WERE THE PRIMARY CONCLUSIONS OF THAT INDEPENDENT STUDY? SO THE REVIEW FOUND THAT THE FIA DOES NOT PROVIDE SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION. SCHOOL OPERATING COSTS APPEAR MATERIALLY UNSTATED, UH, UNDERSTATED, EXCUSE ME. THE FIA LARGELY EMITS, UH, CAPITAL FACILITY IMPACTS THE, I'S CONCLUSIONS ABOUT SCHOOL CAPACITY ARE QUESTIONABLE AND OVERALL MARQUEE CROSSING MAY STILL BE FISCALLY NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE BECAUSE OF MARKET RATE HOUSING, ONLINE SALES, TAX ALLOCATIONS, AND COMMERCIAL USES. HOWEVER, THE CONCLUSION THAT REVENUES WILL SUBSTANTIALLY EXCEED PUBLIC COSTS SHOULD BE TREATED CAUTIOUSLY UNTIL A MORE COMPLETE ANALYSIS ACCOUNTS FOR OPERATING CAPITAL AND COMMERCIAL SERVICE COSTS. SO THE NUMBERS YOU PRESENTED IN THE EARLIER PACKAGE ARE BASED ON THE EARLIER SUBMISSION AND DO NOT REFLECT THE CORRECTIONS MADE BY THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. ON SCHOOLS. UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT MCGRUDER. IT WAS OVER CAPACITY TWO YEARS AGO BY ABOUT 150 CHILDREN. WE WENT THROUGH A REDISTRICTING AND MOST [01:40:01] OF THOSE CHILDREN ENDED UP WHERE WALLER MILL SCHOOL WELL MILL. UM, WE'RE NOW IN THE THROES OF A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN TO CORRECT WALLER MILL SCHOOL OR BUILD ON CAPACITY AT WALLER MILL. WE'RE ALSO ON ADDRESSING, UH, A SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INCREASE ON QUEENS LAKE. YES. AM I CORRECT IN THAT? I BELIEVE SO. YEAH. I GUESS THE, THE ISSUE I HAVE IS, INITIALLY THE FISCAL STUDY SAID THERE WAS NO IMPACT ON SCHOOLS, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR INCREASED CAPACITY AND THEREFORE, UH, CASH PROFFER WAS NOT REQUIRED. I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD STATING THAT THAT WAS AN INCORRECT ASSUMPTION BY MR. FIGUERA. LEMME MOVE ON TO THE, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY ON, ON TWO SEPARATE, SEPARATE OCCASIONS. THE PROJECT HAS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERS SUPERVISORS. IN EACH OF THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BATTLEFIELD TRUST HAVE DOCUMENTED AND COMMENTED ON THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE, HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE ORIGINAL WHITAKER MILL HOUSE, THE HOUSE, AND FOR THAT MATTER, THE MILL, WHICH IS LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED ON ANY OF THE MAPS INCLUDED IN THE STUDY BY CIRCA INC. UH, WHY HAVE WE NOT ASKED FOR AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT REVIEW OF THAT STUDY? ALSO BE SUBMITTED? SO UP UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO, THE DEPARTMENT, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, UH, WOULD BE THAT INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT. THEY WOULD REVIEW THESE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES, UM, AND TELL US IF THEY, IF THEY'RE SUFFICIENT. UM, THIS WAS DONE IN 2016 FOR THIS APPLICATION AND THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES APPROVED IT AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NO FURTHER, UM, NO FURTHER REVIEW OF THE SITE NECESSARY. SO AFTER THEY'VE STOPPED DOING THAT, UM, NOW WE HIRE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS, BUT THE NEED WASN'T THERE THEN. OKAY. I JUST FIND THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL GAPS IN THAT STUDY AND, UH, DISAPPOINTED WITH THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THAT STUDY. UM, SINCE THEN I'VE MET WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE WHITAKER HOUSE IS AND WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE. I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT DURING THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S, IT BEHOOVES US TO DO A BETTER JOB OF ANALYZING THE INDEPENDENT REPORTS THAT COME IN. AND SO IT'S ARCHEOLOGY, IT'S FISCAL STUDY, IT'S ANY OTHER STUDY THAT COMES IN WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS. I THINK WE HAVE AS A BOARD AND AS A COUNTY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT IT, THE, UM, INFORMATION IS ACCURATE. AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT ON, ON ITEM 10 OF THE PROFFERS? UM, IT INDICATES THAT, UH, THAT NO FURTHER RESIDENTIAL TAKE PLACE, UM, WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE BOARD. DOES THAT REQUIRE AN SUP, UH, TO BE, UH, CONSIDERED AT THAT TIME OR IS IT SIMPLY, UH, SUFFICIENT FOR IT TO COME AS A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD? AN SUP WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED, BUT A REZONING WOULD BE REZONING. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UH, JEANNIE? YEP. UM, YOU HAD ONE SLIDE THAT MENTIONED YOU, YOU, THE COUNTY HAD RECEIVED TWO LETTERS, UM, UM, TO ASKING TO DENIED APPLICATION. I THINK YOU MEAN, UH, THE COUNTY RECEIVED THROUGH THE SHARED MAILBOX, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF US HAVE RECEIVED SUBSTANTIALLY MORE LETTERS. DENY ASKING TO DENY THE APPLICATION. JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WENT TO THE SHARED MAILBOX INDIVIDUALLY. WE, WE RECEIVED MORE. THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF. RIGHT. UN UNDERSTAND. JUST WANT TO MAKE, 'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, I, I SEND A MESSAGE. HOW CAN IT ONLY BE TWO? SO, AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD 12 JUST TODAY. SO THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER RIGHT ABOVE THE NUMBER YOU REPORTED. AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO HOME HOMEOWNERS INDIVIDUALS. SO LET, LET'S, LET'S EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO INCREASED COUNTY OPERATING COSTS. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS, SEE YOU ADD 'EM TOGETHER. SO WE LOOK 20, THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT I SAID IS INACCURATE. YEAH. OH, OH, OH. THIS IS THE, THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE LATEST ON IT. CORRECT. SO WHAT, WHAT THE LATEST LOOKED LIKE THEN. SO THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW, UH, DIDN'T GO INTO, UM, WHAT THE COSTS, WHAT IT WOULD GENERATE. UH, IT JUST REVIEWED WHAT THEY SUBMITTED. THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THEIR FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO THESE NUMBERS REMAIN THE SAME. ALRIGHT. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE OPERATING COST PER HOUSEHOLD PER SCHOOL IS YET. WE JUST HAVE THE ORIGINAL OF THAT. WE WILL, WHEN I QUESTION THE DEVELOPER, YOU ALREADY [01:45:01] GET IN THAT. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. THE PROJECTED, SO WE GOT A BULLET POINT FOR THE PROJECTED REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE. SO THAT IS ON THE, JUST THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHAT ABOUT OTHER PROJECTED REVENUE GAINS FROM, FROM THIS? SHOULD IT GO TO FULL BUILD OUT? DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? NO, THESE, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US. THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. UM, THEY JUST NOTED THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES LIKE PERSONAL PROPERTY, MEAL, MEALS, TAX, SALES TAX. THEY DIDN'T GIVE NUMBERS ON THOSE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALL WE WILL, WE'LL LET, WE'LL GET INTO THAT, WHAT MR. ALLARD HAS. SO, OKAY. I'M HOLDING MRS. NORM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, JENNY. I'LL CALL ON THE APPLICANT. GREETINGS VERNON. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M VERNON GETTY OF 1177 JAMESTOWN ROAD. IT'S PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPERS. YOU HAVE ROCA PARTNERS. UH, DAN HARGET, THE CEO AND FOUNDER OF ROCA IS HERE. STANLEY MARTIN HOLMES. YOU HAVE HUNTER TAYLOR, WHO'S THE, UH, AREA PRESIDENT FOR STANLEY MARTIN. UH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED EO AND HAS BEEN SINCE 1995. UH, IT COULD BE PUT TO A FULL RANGE OF EO USES, INCLUDING MANY THAT I THINK FOLKS WOULD FIND MUCH LESS DESIRABLE THAN THIS PROPOSAL. UM, INDUSTRIAL PARKS, HOTELS, AUTO PARK STORES, SECONDHAND STORES. UH, A HOST OF LESS DESIRABLE RETAIL USES IS JEAN, UH, DETAILED. THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS BEFORE THE COUNTY THREE YEARS AGO FOR, WITH A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE SHEETS AND UNDEFINED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND THAT PROJECT WAS ALLOWED TO LAPSE. UM, AND WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU, UH, SEEKING THIS PDMU MIXED PROJECT, UM, MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WOULD INCLUDE A SHEETS, AN ARBY'S, AND UP TO 125 RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES AND ANOTHER COMMERCIAL OUT PARTIAL SITE. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOGNIZES THAT A MIXED USE PROJECT ON THIS SITE COULD BE APPROPRIATE AND THE TWO THINGS ARE HURTING. THE MARQUEE ARE A LACK OF RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN THIS AREA AND THE LACK OF ANY GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE OR FOOD USES THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY FIND WITH A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THE MARQUEE. UM, THIS PROJECT WILL MEET BOTH THOSE NEEDS. IT BRINGS QUALITY, MODERATELY PLACED FOR SALE HOUSING, AND A MUCH NEEDED GAS, CONVENIENCE FOOD USE. UH, AS JEAN SAID, IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE PDMU ORDINANCE. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED PROFFERS, UH, TO ENSURE EARLY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ROCA PARTNERS, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, HAS SIGNED BINDING AGREEMENTS WITH BOTH SHEETS AND ARBY'S AND WORK ON THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. THE, THEIR SITE PLAN AND APPROVAL PROCESS WOULD KICK OFF IMMEDIATELY AFTER REZONING WITH THE HOPE OF GETTING UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2027. UH, THIS IS THE UPDATED PLAN AND THIS VERSION IS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE YOU WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE. THIS HAS THE UPDATED PARKING PLAN. MM-HMM . UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF SEVERAL OVERFLOW PARKING AREAS. AND THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS 117 TOWNHOUSE UNITS. UM, LOOKING BACK AT THE FORMER PROJECT, THE MESSAGE WE GOT WAS VERY CLEAR AND UNEQUIVOCAL THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT WANT APARTMENTS ON THIS SITE. UM, SO WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IS MODERATELY PRICED FOR SALE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND SO ROCHA AND STANLEY MARTIN HAVE PARTNERED AND REDUCED THE DENSITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND CHANGED THE PRODUCT TYPE. UH, THE 3.5 ACRE SHEET SITE, I COULDN'T FIND THE CURSOR, UH, REMAINS IN THE SAME PLACE. UM, ALRIGHT. THERE AND ARBY'S WOULD BE RIGHT ACROSS THE ENTRANCE ROAD ON THIS OUT PARCEL. UM, THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD OUT PARCEL SITE. AND THIS IS THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UM, WOULD REMAIN EO WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROFFER THAT IT COULDN'T BE PUT TO A RESIDENTIAL USE WITHOUT YOU ALL'S APPROVAL. AND THAT WOULD BE THE CASE IN, EVEN IF THERE WAS A [01:50:01] CHANGE IN STATE LAW THAT MIGHT COME ALONG THAT SAYS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS PERMITTED ON UNDEVELOPED COMMERCIAL LAND. SO THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CHANGES MADE IN THIS PROPOSAL SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. UH, FIRST WE TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY THE TOWNHOUSE PARKING HAS BEEN REVISED TO AVOID ISSUES. UM, FOLKS POINTED OUT A NUMBER OF EXISTING TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY THAT EXPERIENCE PARKING PROBLEMS. UH, OUR FOLKS WENT AND LOOKED AT THOSE AND COMPLETELY REVISED THE PARKING LAYOUT. UH, THEY INCREASED THE PARKING COUNT, ADDED THE OVERFLOW PARKING AREAS. I SHOWED, UH, THE MAIN PUBLIC STREETS THROUGH THAT SECTION ARE 50 FEET RIGHT OF WAYS. UH, AND THE ALLEYS ARE 26 FEET. ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS ARE 20 FEET LONG TO ACCOMMODATE EVEN FULL-SIZE BIG VEHICLES WITHOUT INTRUDING INTO ANY SIDEWALKS OR ALLEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, WELL NOT IN NEW PROFFER. UM, THEY'VE ALSO PROFFERED STREETLIGHTS AND, UH, SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ALONG WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, WHICH IS DARK AND OVERGROWN TODAY. SO THAT WILL BE A SUBSTANTIAL SAFETY IMPROVEMENT THERE. UH, WHILE WE'VE HAD A HIS, UH, PROPER ON HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE ALL ALONG, IT'S BEEN GREATLY BEEFED UP, UH, WORKING WITH FOLKS INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE. UM, THE MARKER HAS BEEN, UH, RELOCATED. ORIGINALLY IT WAS GONNA BE IN THIS AREA. IT WILL BE BACK HERE NOW NEAR THE TRAIL. AND THEY'RE WITH A PARKING AREA RIGHT BESIDE IT. SO PEOPLE INTERESTED COULD ACTUALLY GO PARK AND LOOK AT THE UM, FACILITY. UM, WE WILL WORK WITH THE CIVIL WAR TRAILS GROUP IN COMING UP WITH THE CONTENT OF THE SIGN, UH, WORKING WITH THE CHAIRMAN. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, AN INDEPENDENT ARCHEOLOGIST GO BACK INTO THE RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE AND LOCATE THE, THE ORIGINAL WHITAKER HOUSE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CROSS ROUTE, 1 99 NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO THE MARQUEE. SO WE WILL HAVE A SIGN THAT NOTES THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT HOUSE, ITS LOCATION AND ITS RELATION TO THE PROPERTY. UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT, UM, I ONLY HAD 20 OR SO MAPS TO SHOW YOU. YOU HAD DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, WE'VE OFFERED A CASH PROFFER. UH, WHILE WE ARE HIGHLY CONFIDENT IN THE ESTIMATES OF THE REVENUE THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THOSE OTHER TAXES, IT WILL BE OVER $800,000 A YEAR. UM, WE RECOGNIZE THERE WAS ISSUES WITH THE, UH, EXPENSE SIDE OF THE FISCAL IMPACT. AND SO WE'VE OFFERED A CASH PROFFER OF $1,360 PER RESIDENTIAL UNIT TO OFFSET ANY IMPACTS FROM THIS, UH, PROJECT. AND WE THINK THAT WILL ENSURE IT WILL BE A FISCAL POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY. WHEN WOULD THOSE BE PAID? UH, IT'S PAID ON A PER UNIT BASIS AFTER THE FINAL INSPECTION, BEFORE THE ISSUANCE OF A CO. OKAY. UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, OFFERED TO DEDICATE THE LONG NARROW PARCEL ON PENMAN ROAD. YOU SAW, UH, AS A POTEN, AS A TRAILHEAD FOR THE CHI MANX TRAIL THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING TO FRUITION. SO THAT'LL BE DEDICATED TO THE COUNTY. AND I'VE DESCRIBED THE PROFFER ON THE, UH, 10 ACRES. THE COMMERCIAL USES, THE ARBY'S AND THE SHEETS WILL GENERATE 50 NEW JOBS. IT'S A $12 MILLION INITIAL INVESTMENT AND WILL GENERATE LONG TERM TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. UH, THIS WILL PROVIDE QUALITY, MODERATELY PRICED HOUSING FOR SALE HOUSING WITH ATTRACTIVE AMENITIES AND A WALKABLE MIXED USE. C THIS PRICE, UH, THREE 80 TO FOUR 50. AND THE FOLKS AT STANLEY MARTIN ACTUALLY LOOKED EARLIER THIS WEEK IN THAT PRICE RANGE IN THE COUNTY, THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN HOMES FOR SALE. SO THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND FOR THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE IN THAT PRICE RANGE. MM-HMM . UM, IT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. THE COMMENT WE GOT WHEN THE APARTMENTS WERE ON THE TABLE IS, LISTEN, I WHAT I WANT IS SOMEWHERE MY SON OR DAUGHTER CAN AFFORD TO BUY AND LIVE IN YORK COUNTY. WHAT KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE? WHAT KIND OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THESE HOUSES? 28 19 50 19 50 19. VERY. SO BOTH ROCHA AND STANLEY MARTIN [01:55:01] ARE WELL-RESPECTED LOCAL DEVELOPERS. THEY'VE DONE WORK IN THE COUNTY BEFORE. THEY HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY WITH STAFF, WITH NEIGHBORS, COUNTY OFFICIALS, WITH YOU ALL. CHAIRMAN ROY HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONALLY HELPFUL IN HELPING US WORK THROUGH ISSUES ON THIS. UH, AND WE THINK WE'VE MITIGATED ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM THE PROJECT AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS. UH, THIS IS A GOOD DESIGN FIT FOR A VERY CHALLENGING PIECE OF PROPERTY. UH, THE SITES REMAINED VACANT. IT WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL INITIALLY IN 1985. IT WENT TO COMMERCIAL AND SITS TODAY. UM, THIS PROJECT WE THINK WILL GENERATE TAX REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY, CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP AND QUALITY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT REASONABLE PRICES AND ACTIVATES VACANT EO LAND THAT WILL PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED SERVICES, INCLUDING FOOD, GAS, CONVENIENCE STORE IN AN AREA THAT CURRENTLY HAS NONE OF THAT. SO PLEASE CONTINUE. WE WOULD PLEASE CONTINUE. I SAID PLEASE CONTINUE IF YOU HAVE. UH, YEAH. I, I WOULD JUST SAY WE THINK THIS WILL BE A WIN-WIN FOR THE COUNTY AND THE DEVELOPERS. WE THINK IT WILL, UH, BE GOOD FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS FOR THE MARQUEE, FOR THE LOCAL ATTRACTIONS AND FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. AND WE WOULD OF COURSE BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO APPROVE IT. I THINK I'LL JUMP IN AGAIN. . SO YOUR DISTRICT, SO WE HEARD, UH, FROM MISS, UH, CARNER THAT, UH, 313 PARKING SPACES WERE REQUIRED. YOU COVERED PARKING, BUT YOU DIDN'T TELL US HOW MANY ARE NOW APPROVED IN YOUR NEW REVISED SITE PLAN? 343. 343. OKAY. AND THAT INCLUDES THE HALF PER, UH, OR YEAH. HALF PER GARAGE. PER, YEAH. YES IT DOES. WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THE LAST THING YOU ASKED? WELL, EVERY TWO UNITS, YOU CAN INCLUDE A GARAGE FOR ONE OUT OF EVERY TWO UNITS. OKAY. AS PER OUR, OUR CODE WHEN WE'VE CHANGED THE PARKING GUIDELINES. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE 60 ISH THAT OUR GARAGE, GARAGE, UH, BASED, UH, PARKING SPOTS. THE OTHER 280 WOULD BE STANDALONE. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, ON THE FISCAL IMPACT. SO YES, WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS. YEAH. WE HAD, UH, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR, UH, REQUIRED DEPUTIES IN THAT AREA BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE MARQUEE AREA, BE IT SOUTH PAW OR BE IT THE NEW, UH, TRANQUILITY OR WHITAKER'S MILL ARE NOW MARQUEE CROSSING. UM, SHERIFF WAS HERE EARLIER, BUT HE HAD CLEARLY INDICATED THE NEED FOR A NEW DEPUTY PATROL IN THAT AREA. AND WE CALCULATED THAT BASED ON THE COST PER UNIT, ASSUMING ALL OF THOSE HOUSES IN THAT REGION PAID THE SAME COST. AND THAT WAS ABOUT $1,600. THAT WAS NOT IN OUR ORIGINAL PLAN. CAPITAL REQUIRED FOR SCHOOLS. AGAIN, WE TOOK THE DEBT LOAD INCREASE BETWEEN NOW AND SIX YEARS OUT, WHICH IS 2032. AND THAT INCREASE IN DEBT LOAD IS ESTIMATED AT 13, UH, MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR DEBT LOAD. AND WE DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, 13,000. SO IT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HEAD. 47 NEW STUDENTS COMING IN. WE, WE TOOK THAT COST OF 47,000 AND DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS OPERATING COSTS FOR THE SCHOOLS. AND THIS WAS JUST A HACK. THE FIGUERA STUDY HAD 1100 AND SOMETHING. THE REVISED STUDY BY, UH, BHEL WAS 2139 PER UNIT. AND WE ACCEPTED THAT NUMBER. AND THAT'S BASED ON THE CAPITAL COST OR THE, THE NUMBER SHOWN IN OUR OWN CAPITAL PLAN OF A LITTLE OVER $5,000 PER STUDENT PER YEAR IN OUR 2027 FISCAL YEAR PLAN. HOW MUCH PER STUDENT? A LITTLE OVER FIVE. A LITTLE OVER 5,500 PER STUDENT TODAY. THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT IT, WHAT WE SPEND ALREADY. YEAH. THAT IS THE NUMBER. YEAH, THAT'S THE NUMBER WE USED THEN COUNTY OPERATING COSTS, UH, WERE ADDED TO THAT. UM, AND THE TOTAL CAME OUT AT, UM, $5,044 PER UNIT. A LITTLE OVER $630,000 PER YEAR. SO THAT'S THE ALL IN EXPENSES SIDE OF THIS, UH, PROJECT WAS ALL I TOTALED TO, THAT'S WHY I SAID 630,000 A YEAR. OH, FOR PER STUDENT OR NO, WHICH TOTAL EXPENSES PER FOR EVERYTHING. FOR WHAT? FOR THIS CROSSING? FOR MARKET CROSSING. OKAY. 5,044 [02:00:01] PER UNIT FOR ALL OF THOSE COSTS ALL. NOW, WOULD YOU NOW EXPLAIN OR COVER THE REVENUE SIDE? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED THROUGH THE WE SIDE, YOU'VE PROVIDED THAT TO US, BUT IT WAS NOT IN YOUR REVIEW TONIGHT. BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE MINUTE. GET MY EYES ON. SO ON THE REVENUE SIDE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE FROM THE COMMERCIAL, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, CAR TAX ON RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. MM-HMM . THE LOCAL OPTION, SALES TAX, BUSINESS LICENSE FEES AND MEALS TAX. MM-HMM . AND WE'VE APPLIED THAT. WE'VE GOTTEN ACTUAL SALES NUMBERS FROM BOTH SHEETS AND ARBY'S AND USE THAT TO CALCULATE, UH, THE REVENUE THE COUNTY SHOULD EXPECT FROM THOSE. WHICH IS YEAH, THAT WHICH THE TOTAL, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS $879,000 A YEAR. AGAIN, 630,000 EXPENSES IS WHAT YOU SAID. CORRECT. HOWEVER, THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OR COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THAT NUMBER, IF I CALCULATED CORRECTLY, IS 430,000. IN OTHER WORDS, THE BALANCE COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL, BUT RIGHT. WE HAVE 40 $430,000 PER YEAR THAT'S DEPENDENT ON THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. COMMERCIAL OPERATING CO. MM-HMM. ASSUMING YOU OPERATE. YEAH. SO A REASONABLE, IN A REASONABLE TIME. YEAH. OKAY. SO A DE A DEFICIT OF $200,000 IF YOU ONLY DID RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE'VE SAID ALL ALONG, THIS REQUIRES COMMERCIAL. RIGHT? IT DOES NEED THE COMMERCIAL IS, IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, IS ANY OF THAT REVENUE TIED BACK TO THE BOND? UM, OBLIGATIONS WE HAVE FOR, FROM THE MAR MARQUEE SHOP CENTER? ARE THEY, ARE THEY SEPARATE? TOTALLY SEPARATE. TOTALLY SEPARATE. OKAY. YEAH, EXACTLY. CONSTRUCTION PAGE EIGHT OF THE COUNTY LETTER STATES THAT THE PDMU PROVISION REQUIRES THAT CONSTRUCTION IS IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS SEQUENCED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROJECT BUILD OUT SCHEDULE AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD. I HAVEN'T HEARD HOW YOU PLAN TO DO THAT IN THIS DISCUSSION. ARE YOU CON CONFIRMING THAT THE PROJECT WILL BE DONE AS A SINGLE PHASE? THE PROJECT WOULD BEGIN AS A SINGLE PHASE? YES. THE APPROVALS FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIALS WOULD APPEAR, WOULD BE PROCESSED SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THE COMMERCIAL WILL TAKE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TIME TO BUILD THAN THE BUILD OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL. SO THE, THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE ONLINE FIRST. YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAIT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAIT FOR THE, THE BUILD OUT OF THE HOUSING? NO, NO. I WANT TIME. YOU'RE GONNA DO IT IN PHASES. YEAH. THE HOUSES WILL BE BUILT IN FACES. ABSOLUTELY. AND GO ON TO THE NEXT. YEAH. SO YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE. YEAH, EXACTLY. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. EXACTLY. WHAT'S THE, OKAY, WHAT'S THE COMMITMENT FROM THESE TWO OUT PARCELS WITH, UM, SHEETS AND ARBY'S? I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT. OKAY. SORRY. I'LL, SO SCHOOLS, UH, YOU VOLUNTEERED, UH, CASH PROFFER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THAT'S TO COVER BOTH THE OPERATING COST AND THE CAPITAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON THE NEW FISCAL IMPACT STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? YES. SO DO, SO THE 800,000 OR IS WHAT YOU PROFFERED VALID ROUGH THAT WHAT YOU, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE PROJECT THE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY WILL BE. OKAY. WHAT'S THE, SO WHAT IS THE PROFFERED AMOUNT? 613 60 PER UNIT? YEAH. COMES OUT TO WHAT? $159,000? OH, YEAH. COMES OUT WHAT? A HUNDRED $160,000? IT'S TIMES 5 MILLION. IT'S, WELL, THAT, THAT'S ANGLE, BUT YEAH, IT'S 850,000 OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. OKAY. SO, SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO ADDRESS SCHOOLS? HOW IS THAT GONNA ADDRESS SCHOOLS? YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA, YOU'RE OVER CAPACITY IN ONE SCHOOL AND YOU'RE SAYING 800,000, IS THAT A YEAR? THAT'S JUST ONE TIME A PROPER, HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED IN A SCHOOL? IT'S PER UNIT FOR THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE SCHOOL. AND THE 800,000 IS ANNUAL TAX REVENUE THAT WILL COME INTO THE COUNTY EVERY YEAR. OKAY. MY, MY CON OKAY. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO BUILDING A $50 MILLION SCHOOL, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO. WE'RE ALMOST TRIGGERING THAT. OKAY. [02:05:01] UNLESS, I MEAN, AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S A NEW SCHOOL. AND IF YOU JUST ADD ON A COUPLE EXTRA ROOMS, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU GOT, WHAT, 24 KIDS PER ROOM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA COME IN THAT, THAT'S GONNA, THIS IS NOT CLOSE. BUT THE 50 MILLION IS ACROSS THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF STUDENTS. NOT 47. THEY'RE ADDING 47 TO 13,000 PAYING. I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE'RE ABOUT TO TRIGGER THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE BOARD'S GOTTA CONSIDER WE'RE ABOUT TO TRIGGER IN THESE SCHOOL OR SOME, SOME REAL HUGE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE PAYING THEIR SHARE OF WHAT THAT CAPITAL DEBT IS. ALRIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I GOT THAT. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT BUYING THE WHOLE SCHOOL, RIGHT? NO, BUT RIGHT. BUT TO MR. SHEPHERD'S POINT, IF THAT REQUIRES US TO ADD EVEN ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM BUILD OUT, IT'S SIX TO EIGHT CLASSROOMS AT BOTH WALLER MILL AND QUEENSLAND. WELL, $800,000 ISN'T GONNA COVER THAT. DIDN'T COVER THAT. NO, IT'S NOT, IT, OUR CAPITAL PLAN IS ABOUT $30 MILLION FOR EACH. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT JUST TRIGGERS. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING ABOUT, I'VE HEARD THIS, I'VE HEARD THIS THIS BEFORE, THAT WE REACH A POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, 30, $40 MILLION WORTH OF INVESTMENT IN SCHOOLS. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. BUT IT, IT'S, YOU'RE JUST, WHAT YOU ARE IS JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I DON'T, HOW WOULD I WOULD DESCRIBE IT. MAYBE THE MATCH TO THE DYNAMITE, YOU KNOW? SO NOW IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN A DEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN OUR, I GUESS OUR POINT IS BETWEEN THE 800,000 PLUS IN ANNUAL REVENUE PLUS THE ONE TIME CASH PROFFER, WE ARE PAYING OUR FAIR SHARE OF THOSE COSTS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . CAN I, WELL, WE CAN'T HIDE FROM IT, SO I'LL CONTINUE. THANK YOU. SO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND, AND YES, I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. YEAH. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, GLEN EL AND GLEN DAVID BRASHER MM-HMM. WHO'S PROBABLY THE LEADING HISTORIAN ON THE CIVIL CIVIL WAR, AND THE, UH, AND THE WILLIAMSBURG WAR. UM, AND HE HAD WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE BOARD IN MARCH OF 24, BASICALLY RECOGNIZING THIS SITE AS ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC SITES EMANATING FROM THE CIVIL WAR. HE FELT THAT THIS WAS IN FACT, THE GENESIS OF THE EMANCIPATION PRO PRO PROCLAMATION. THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN SO FUSSED ABOUT. SURE. FINDING THE LOCATION OF THIS HOUSE, MAKING A PROPER HISTORIC MARKER FOR IT. PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE HAPPY TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'LL BE A BENEFIT FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY. I'M PLEASED YOU'VE DONE THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. PROFFERS, I THINK I'VE ANSWERED, ADDRESSED ITEM 10. UH, JEANNIE HAS ANSWERED THAT FOR US. ITEM THREE, I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHY THE C OF O REQUIREMENT IS SET FOR 80 UNITS, UM, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION IS POURED ON LAND BASE A AND C. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WILL THE 80TH UNIT BE COMPLETE? WHY IS IT GONNA TAKE THAT LONG SHEETS? HIS INABILITY TO COMPLETE AND ARBY'S INABILITY TO COMPLETE IS BASED ON THAT FOUNDATION, THAT PAD BEING READY. AND I JUST, I JUST DO NOT ACCEPT THAT IT'S 3, 4, 5 YEARS DOWN THE LINE. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT MAY TAKE TO GET TO 80 UNITS, AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT. YEAH. WELL, THE CONCEPT BEHIND IT WAS TO GIVE YOU ASSURANCE THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE FULL RESIDENTIAL BUILD OUT AND NO COMMERCIAL. I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE ZERO RESIDENTIAL BUILD OUT BEFORE I HAD COMMERCIAL. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE DON'T MAKE MONEY UNTIL WE HAVE COMMERCIAL UP AND RUNNING. RIGHT. I, I THINK THAT'S STILL A QUESTION BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD IN TERMS OF WHAT NUMBER WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT. THAT'S GOT ME VERY CONCERNED. I'VE HEARD FROM, UM, BOTH TONY CARUSO FROM, UH, FROM SHEETS, I'VE HEARD FROM ANGELA RICKMAN FROM ARBY'S. YEP. BOTH OF THEM HAVE SPECIFICALLY HAVE, UH, UH, BUILDERS READY TO GO. THEY HAVE CORRECT. THEY HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT BUILDS THESE EITHER RESTAURANTS OR, OR GAS STATIONS. YEP. ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY CAN, UH, I THINK THE SHEETS TOTAL, UH, TIME FROM, FROM LAND PERMIT TO, UM, TO COMPLETION WAS 30 MONTHS. UH, ANGELA WAS ABOUT HALF OF THAT. RIGHT. UM, WE WANNA SEE THOSE ECONOMIC ELEMENTS IN PLACE LONG BEFORE WE GET TO 80 TOWNHOUSES. RIGHT. AND, AND WE BELIEVE THEY WILL BE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. YOU, THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS TO TIE HOW MANY UNITS THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER CAN BUILD TO SOMETHING ENTIRELY OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL. WHY ARE YOU HOLDING UP TWO BUSINESSES? THAT'S MY QUESTION. WE'RE NOT HOLDING THEM UP. YOU ARE. THEY WILL [02:10:01] TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE 80TH UNIT, YOU'RE HOLDING THEM UP. NO, NO. THOSE BUSINESSES WILL START IN IMMEDIATELY. IN FACT, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOUR NEW, UH, MR. CLAYTON, THE BUSINESS FACILITATOR, TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UM, THEY WILL GO IN IMMEDIATELY AND THEN THAT PROFFER WILL BECOME IRRELEVANT. AND WHY DON'T YOU SET IT AT 50? WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. OR 20 HAVE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE COMMITMENT AND, AND HOW DO WE HOLD THAT COMMITMENT FIRM? YEAH. DAN, DO YOU WANT TO, SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THOSE GUYS. MR. MR. HARGET CAN SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M DAN HARGET. I'M THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. THE REASON THAT THAT 80 UNIT THRESHOLD CAME IN WAS ACTUALLY A CONVERSATION WITH PLANNING STAFF AROUND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL HAPPENING. IT WASN'T SET UP AS A RESTRICTION SUCH THAT THE 80 WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT BEFORE WE BUILT THE COMMERCIAL. I'VE GOT BINDING LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS WITH TWO NATIONAL RETAILERS THAT COULD GET OPEN TOMORROW IF WE COULD GET 'EM OPEN TOMORROW. AND THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE HAD WITH THOSE RETAILERS IS AS SOON AS WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET APPROVED AT ZONING, WE WILL MOVE AS FAST AS WE CAN TO GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND START CONSTRUCTION. HAVING SAID THAT, YOU ALSO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT USES. YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL USE AND, AND YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL USE, AND YOU HAVE TWO COMPANIES THAT ARE MANAGING THOSE PROJECT SCHEDULES TO, SO TO TIE THEM TOGETHER TAKES TWO MAJOR COMPANIES. STANLEY MARTIN HOMES IS A MAJOR COMPANY AND MYSELVES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH UP PROJECT SCHEDULES. THE REALITY IS, IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL WILL GET BUILT AS WE DEVELOP THE SITE AND PUT IN THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS AND DO ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO. BUT THERE, I CAN PROMISE YOU, THERE'S NO ONE THAT WANTS TO BE ON THE SITE FASTER THAN SHEETS AND RV'S. AND I ASKED THEM TO BE HERE TONIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THE, THEY ARE HERE. THEY ARE HERE. BUT THE 80 WAS NOT A RESTRICTION IN THAT WE WOULDN'T START UNTIL 80. THE 80 WAS, WE'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ANY MORE TOWNHOUSES. SO WE TAKE ALL OF THE POTENTIAL BENEFIT OF THOSE LAST 45 UNITS OFF THE TABLE IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE COMMERCIAL. I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I HAVE A MANDATE FROM SHEETS TO GET THIS OPEN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO THE, THE NORMALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS OVER THE YEARS, IS THAT WE PUT A RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY HOMES CAN, CAN BE BUILT SIMPLY TO DRIVE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND NORMALLY IT WAS THE BUILDING. SO THIS IS WHEN WE WOULD GO, YOU GOTTA BUILD A, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND EVEN WHETHER YOU GOT A CUSTOMER OR NOT RIGHT, YOU GOTTA BUILD IT. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THAT BECAME, THAT BECAME A CHALLENGE. RIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. THAT WAS WHAT'S DRIVING IT. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHALLENGE. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE BUSINESSES LINED UP READY TO GO. SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE 80? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S THE 80? SO THE 80 WAS TO, TO SET A THRESHOLD WHERE WE COULD STILL DEVELOP THE RESIDENTIAL AND GET STARTED WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT. REMEMBER, I HAVE TO FINANCE THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, SO I HAVE TO, WHY, WHY NOT SET IT LOWER? WHY NOT SET THE, THE 40 OR 50? I THINK THAT'S THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE. EXCUSE ME. WHAT WAS THAT? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE. WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WE, UH, OKAY. BUT I'M ASKING HIM, I MEAN, WHAT'S, I DON'T WANT . YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A CERTAIN THRESHOLD WHERE WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND FINANCE THE OVERALL PROJECT. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO GET SHEETS AND RV'S TO COME ON BOARD. PART OF THIS, AND PART OF THE ALLURE FOR SHEETS AND RV'S, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, WAS THE MIXED USE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT. AND THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THESE RESIDENTS. SO WHEN PLANNING STAFF BROUGHT IT UP, THEY SAID, WELL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER NOT BUILDING ALL THE TOWNHOUSES? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE 125 TOWNHOUSES AND NO COMMERCIAL. AND I SAID, ABSOLUTELY. HOW ABOUT IF WE MOVED IT BACK TO 80, STILL GIVES ME ENOUGH OF A PROJECT TO GET FINANCED AND GET STARTED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HOLDS MY FEET TO THE FIRE AND CREATES AN INCENTIVE THAT I DON'T GET TO DO THE LAST 45 UNITS UNLESS I HAVE SHEETS OR ARBY'S MOVING FORWARD. SO YOUR INVESTORS, YOU'RE SAYING YOUR INVESTORS IN THIS, THAT THE BANKS OR WHATEVER LOAN LOAN COMPANIES ARE, THEY'RE SAYING YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST 80, WE GOTTA SEE THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA GO TO 80 UNITS. YEAH. THERE ARE NO INVESTORS. I'M THE ONLY INVESTOR, BUT A LENDER IS GONNA LOOK AT THE OVERALL COLLATERAL AND THE OVERALL, UH, PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. SO WE JUST SAID, LOOK, HOW ABOUT 80? IF IT NEEDS TO BE 75, IT COULD BE 75. AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. YEAH. IT'S NOT ARBITRARY, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT 15. YOU KNOW, SO IF WE NEEDED TO CUT THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. SO THE, SO THE, THE LOAN COMPANY IS INTERESTED, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D PHRASE IT. I'LL JUST SAY THE LOAN PEOPLE ARE LOANING YOU THE MONEY OR WHATEVER. YEAH. UM, THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE'S GONNA BE EQUITY THERE IN CASE YOU GO BELLY UP OR SOMETHING. AND I, AND CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? YEAH. UM, ONE THING, SO WE'RE TWO SEPARATE DEVELOPERS. SO WE WILL BE BUYING THE RESIDENTIAL LAND FROM DAN IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED. UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL CLOSE, WE'LL DO A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT, WE'LL BUY THE RESIDENTIAL. AND SO FOR US TO BUY THAT LAND AND PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, WE NEED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOMES. [02:15:01] SO DAN'S NOT DEVELOPING THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION. WE'LL, WE'LL BE DEVELOPING THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION. THEN YOU GOT THE LAND AND YOU GOT THE, AND YOU'LL SELL IT TO THE BUILDER MM-HMM . CORRECT. BUT THEN I HAVE THE OBLIGATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I'LL GO OUT AND GET FINANCING FOR TO DO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE TURN LANES. YOU NEED 80 TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT A VIABLE THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. VIABLE. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. WELL NOW THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ARBY'S AND, UH, SHEETS. YEAH, I THINK THEY'VE SIGNED UP. OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO HAVE 'EM COME UP NOW IF YOU'D LIKE. LET'S DO IT NOW. YEAH. OKAY. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT. NO SENSE IN GOING BACKWARDS. OKAY. UNDERSTAND, TONY. THANK YOU. YEP. GOOD EVENING BOARD. MY NAME'S TONY CARUSO. I REPRESENT SHEETS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MIGHT HAVE, WELL, YOU HEARD SOME OF THEM. YOU MEAN YOU REPRESENT RIGHT. I WORK FOR SHEETS. I'M A, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I WORK FOR SHEETS IN THE CAPACITY OF A PERMITTING AND ENTITLEMENTS MANAGER. SO WHEN WE HAVE A SITE THAT'S UNDER AGREEMENT IN THIS CASE, UH, WE ARE UNDER AGREEMENT WITH ROCA. WE HAVE A SIGNED CONTRACT FOR US TO BUILD A SITE HERE. UM, IN THIS CONTRACT, IT IS DAN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO US TO GET THE SITE ZONED. AND THEN HE BUILDS US A PAD SITE AND THEN WE BUILD A STORE ON TOP. SO IN TERMS OF TIMING PROCEDURE, THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS ONE'S SET UP FOR US. BUT MY CAPACITY IS TO GET A SHEETS PLAN APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN GO TO CONSTRUCTION. SO DAN, WHEN WOULD YOU BUILD A PAD? AS FAST AS I CAN GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL. DO YOU HAVE, SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO SELL A LAND TO STANLEY HOMES TO BUILD A PAD? NO, NO, BUT WE HAVE, YEAH, THAT'S COMMERCIAL. GIVE ALL THE WORK. THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. WELL, I MEAN, HE'S GOTTA GET MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE. SO OUR, OUR AGREEMENT WITH DAN AND ROCHA IS THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN TIMELINES TO DO THINGS. HE HAD A CERTAIN TIMELINE TO GET THE SITE, THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, REZONED AND APPROVED FOR OUR USE. AND THEN THE OTHER USES FOR THE MIX PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN HE HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMELINE AND WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMELINE TO GET HIS INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS APPROVED AND THE SHEETS PLANS APPROVED. I THINK OUR, I THINK OUR INTEREST IS, IS YOUR COMMITMENT. YEAH. THAT'S MINE. THAT, THAT'S, I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU GUYS ARE READY TO GO TOMORROW. IF YOU HAD A PAD, AS SOON AS YOU AND YOUR STAFF CAN GET US APPROVED, WE ARE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION. WHEN DID TRAVIS SHEETS SIGN OFF ON IT? UH, WHAT, LIKE THREE YEARS AGO? JULY OF 2024 . YEAH. I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, THE DIFFICULTY WITH SOME OF THE, UM, USES SOME OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTY. WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF WITH THE COUNTY, BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO PUT A SHEETS HERE. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESTATE OUR COMMITMENT TO THE SITE, BUT WE'D LOVE TO BE HERE. UM, IF WE COULD BE HERE TOMORROW, WE WOULD BE, I THINK THE QUESTION I PHRASED WAS THERE'S ABOUT SIX SHEETS LOCATIONS ACROSS WILLIAMSBURG, YORK COUNTY. YEAH. UH, THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS, OR AT LEAST PLANNED BEING THOUGHT ABOUT. WHERE WOULD THIS RANK IN TERMS OF THOSE SIX? ALL SIX ARE NUMBER ONE, AND THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER. NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER. ALL SIX ARE NUMBER ONE. NO, YOU JUST BLEW IT. NO, IT, IT'S PART, IT'S SIX TIMES ZERO IS STILL ZERO. WELL, SIX TIMES ONE IS STILL SIX. AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE ALL SIX. UM, NO, WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE AT ALL OF THEM. WE'D ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO BE AT THIS ONE. UM, UH, YOU GUYS ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. NOT EVERY PROJECT, YOU KNOW, CAN MOVE THROUGH MASTER PLAN PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT GET APPROVED, THEY MOVE THROUGH. SO FOR US, AS SOON AS WE GET THROUGH THIS REZONING PROCESS, IT'S A SHOE IN. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STORE HERE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. YOU KNOW, I GET TO COUNT PLUS ONE ON MY TALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER STORES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA THAT ARE GONNA GET OPEN WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THIS ONE AS CLOSE TO BEING OPEN DURING THE TIMEFRAME OF THOSE OTHER COUPLE, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE TO TOGETHER BECAUSE WE'RE OUR OWN DISTRIBUTOR. WE SEND ALL OF THE SUPPLIES TO OUR STORES FROM OUR DC SO TO SEND FROM THAT DC TO TWO STORES IS KIND OF A TOUGH ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR OPERATIONS TEAM FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, DISTRIBUTION TEAM THOUGH, IF WE CAN GET 10, 15 STORES OUT HERE AND THIS BE ONE OF THEM IN A RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AS SHORT AS YOU GUYS WILL LET US, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO DO PLUS ONE OUT HERE. UM, SO, UM, I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND MORE WAYS TO SAY YES, PLEASE, . AND IS THERE FURTHER APPROVALS REQUIRED BY VDOT FOR THIS SITE? UM, I, I'D KINDA HAVE TO DEFER TO DAN ON VDO T'S REVIEW. NO, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHY IT'S, UH, WE, WE DO [02:20:01] HAVE SOME DIFFICULTIES THERE IN TERMS OF ACCESS AND DOT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS USUALLY HAVE ALL OF THAT WORKED OUT ON THE FRONT END. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET. WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO. WE LIKE WHAT WE GET HERE AND WE'D LOVE TO BE HERE. I GUESS I'M CURIOUS IF MR. SHEETS WAS SO INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY THREE YEARS AGO AND YOUR EAGERNESS TO COME THERE, WHY HAVEN'T YOU PURSUE THIS INDEPENDENTLY? UH, I MEAN, AS YOU CAN KIND OF TELL FROM SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE BEEN UP HERE, IT, IT'S A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT TAKES MORE INVESTMENT THAN JUST WHAT WE CAN DO ON A PARCEL. I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A SINGLE USER TO COME IN AND BE HERE. I THINK IT TAKES THE FULL DEVELOPMENT TO FUND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NECESSARY. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OUTLINED WAS ALL OF THE SIGNAL UPGRADES AND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS BY OURSELVES. WE COULDN'T FUND SOMETHING ON THAT SCALE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT MM-HMM. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? I DON'T . UM, WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON. WE HAVE A SELLER THAT OWNS 32 ACRES AND WILL ONLY SELL 32 ACRES, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT OFFSITE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AS REQUIRED BY VDOT THAT CAN'T BE SHOULDERED BY JUST THE SHEETS USE. RIGHT. AND THEN NUMBER THREE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS THING FOR FOUR YEARS. SO WE'VE STAYED STEADFAST IN OUR COMMITMENT TO THE LOCATION AS HAS SHEETS, WHICH IS THE REASON THEY SIGNED A 50 YEAR COMMITMENT SIGNED BY THE CEO OF SHEETS. CAN WE HEAR FROM ARBY'S? YEAH. ARBY'S, CAN WE HEAR FROM ANGELA PLEASE? YEAH. HI, I'M ANGELA RICKMAN. I'M A ARBY'S FRANCHISEE. I'M SUPER EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT IF IT'S APPROVED. UM, I'VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH DAN HARGET AND ROCHA PARTNERS FOR OVER 15 YEARS. AND, UH, HE HAS DEVELOPED ONE OF MY ARBY'S LOCATIONS. I HAVE FOUR CURRENTLY, ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS WOULD BE MY SIXTH IF IT, IF IT'S APPROVED BY YOU GUYS. UM, I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN IT TO CORPORATE. I CAN BE EXCITED AND THRILLED ABOUT IT, BUT I ALONE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. I HAVE TO GO TO CORPORATE ARBY'S FOR APPROVAL, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE. THEY HAVE APPROVED IT. IT HAS BECOME PART OF MY CONTRACTUAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THEM. SO I AM BOUND TO THAT LEGALLY. I AM BOUND FINANCIALLY WITH FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES, UH, TO GET IT OPEN AND, UH, NOT JUST OPEN, BUT OPEN TIMELY. SO THERE IS ALSO FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY IF I DON'T OPEN BY THE TIMEFRAME THAT HAS BEEN SET BY THEM. SO IS DAN HOLDING YOU UP? YES. MY FAULT. SO WE ARE READY WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. YEP. QUESTIONS? NO, I'M GOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU, ANGELA. THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDER. ALRIGHT. ONE QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT, VERNON, YOU CAN, SOMEBODY CAN, THE QUESTION I'VE GOT ACTUALLY IS, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 20 FOOT OFFSET OFF A ROAD SET BACK OFF A ROAD, MAJOR ROAD UP THERE, 20 FEET. THERE WILL BE A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT'S THE SETBACK OFF? THERE'S A, OKAY. THERE'S, WHAT'S THE, ALRIGHT, WHAT'S THAT? PENMAN ROAD UP, UH, OH. ALONG BACK, RIGHT THERE ALONG WHAT'S SETBACK RIGHT THERE? YEAH. I THINK THAT IS A 20 FOOT SETBACK. NO, IT'S FROM THE RAILROAD. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S NOT A 20 FOOT SETBACK. IT'S A 20 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE EDGE OF THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY TO THE LOT LINE FOR THE TOWN HOME BUILDINGS THAT ARE BACK THERE. THEN THE TOWN HOMES WILL HAVE A 15 TO 20 FOOT DEEP BACKYARD BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BUILDING ON THE LOT BACK THERE. SO, AND THE ONLY REASON, THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS FOR YOU GUYS THAT WHEN THEY BUILD A LEGACY OF POCS, IT'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK OR 25 FOOT SETBACK. IT'S RIDICULOUS. IT WAS RIGHT AGAINST THE ROAD VICTORY BOULEVARD. THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK THE OTHER POINT WORTH MENTIONING IS YOU DID WIDEN THE ROADS TO ALLOW PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF EVEN THE PRIVATE ROADS. AND THAT'S HOW THEY INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS. SO WE'VE, I THINK LEARNED FROM KELTON STATIONS AND THE FOR EUSTIS, UH, BOULEVARD, UH MM-HMM . LOCATIONS. YEAH. UH, THAT WERE PARKING CHALLENGED AND, AND THE COMMERCIALS NOT COMING. YEAH. CORRECT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU ALL. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS STEVE KENNEDY. GET HIM READY. GOOD EVENING. WHAT TIME IS IT? STEVE KENNEDY, 1 0 4 PENN DRIVE. WILLIAMSBURG, YORK COUNTY STOCKBROKER. BY DAY 41 YEARS NOW, I COMMIT FINANCIAL ASSETS FOR LIVING. SO [02:25:01] THE TANGIBLE ASSETS CROWD, FORGIVE ME A HIGH ON THE IGNORANCE FACTOR, RIGHT? BUT I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ALSO, OFFICER AND CO-FOUNDER OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION, A 5 0 1 C3 NOT-FOR-PROFIT. CHECK OUT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE SLASH CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY. WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF FOLLOWERS. THE MARQUES CROSSING FISCAL OPINION LETTER WAS ADDRESSED TO EARL ANDERSON. EARL, THANK YOU FOR REQUESTING IT. I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT. THE TISHLER VICE PIECE. I CHALLENGE ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM OR WATCHING TO READ THE URA PIECE FIRST, ALL SIX PAGES AND READ THIS ONE AFTER IT. AND IF SO, LADY AND GENTLEMEN, I RESPECTFULLY SAY YOU CANNOT APPROVE THIS REZONING. YES, WE CAN. THERE ARE TOO MANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE UNANSWERED. IT'S JUST MIND BLOWING. I COULD NOT PUT A PROSPECTUS OUT MR. HILL OR AN OM TO AN INVESTOR WITH THE AMOUNT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE PROCESS IS FLAWED. THE CONSULTING PIECE IN APRIL THEN WENT TO AUGUST. I WOULD NOT INVEST IN THIS. WE KEEP SAYING SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS, SCHOOLS AND COMMERCIAL. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. SALES AND MARKETING 1 0 1. I FEEL SORRY FOR OUR EDA PEOPLE. I REALLY DO BECAUSE WE HEAR ABOUT WONDERFUL SCHOOLS IN YORK COUNTY ALL THE TIME, MOST RECENTLY FROM COLONEL TOM. YES, WE AGREE. THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVED HERE. BUT HERE'S WHAT YOUR NEW MARKETING SLOGAN'S GONNA LOOK AT. HOW ABOUT BRING YOUR CHILDREN TO MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE THEY CAN LEARN IN CLASSROOM TRAILERS. RIGHT NOW, YOU WANT THE SINGLE WIDE OR THE DOUBLE WIDE. IT JUST KIND OF ROLLS RIGHT OFF THE TONGUE, DOESN'T IT? LIKE RIGHT NOW, NOT ONE OR TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW. NOT THE BLUE SKY THAT ARE IN THESE WONDERFUL PROPOSALS, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE IN TRAILERS. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 17 OR 117. YOU HAVE TOO MANY VARIABLES AND YOU CANNOT, YOU CANNOT INVEST CAPITAL OR COMMIT TO A PROJECT LIKE THAT WITH THAT MANY, UH, VARIABLES THAT ARE UNANSWERED. UM, I WOULD REMIND YOU OF THINGS LIKE SPRINGFIELD ROAD, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN TO CONSIDER WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE WRONG ON YOUR VOTES. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, PLEASE LISTEN TO MR. BELLAMY IN THE 515 PAGES OF STUFF TONIGHT. GOD, YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. IT IS MIND NUMBING TO WORK YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS STUFF. BUT SOMEWHERE IN THERE, MR. BELLAMY IS QUOTED AS SAYING, IN SUMMARY, THERE ARE POSITIVE FEATURES. YES. HOWEVER, WITHOUT GUARANTEES THAT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL COME, I CANNOT SUPPORT THE REQUEST. BY THE WAY, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE IN LINE AT ARBY'S. SIR. I'LL BE THE F OH MAN, MA'AM, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE IN LINE AT THE SHEETS. I HAVE A PICTURE OF MY GRANDDAUGHTER AT THE SHEETS OPAL RIGHT NOW. BUT NONE OF THIS COMPLICATED STUFF WAS THERE AROUND RESIDENTIAL. FINALLY, REMEMBER THIS. BASIC ECONOMICS FIRST DO NO HARM OR AT LEAST DO LESS HARM WITH ECONOMIC POLICIES. IT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO DO NO HARM TO PEOPLE WHO MAY ALREADY BE IN PAINFUL ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCES. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF BASIC ECONOMICS, I'LL MAKE IT YOUR STOCKING STUFFER. I'LL GIVE IT TO EVERYONE ON STAFF. I'LL GIVE IT TO ANYONE THAT'S IN A PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU, MR. KENNEDY AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. RESPECTFULLY, NO REZONING ON THIS DEAL. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT, MR. STRUBBLE. AND I'LL HAVE, UH, NEXT UP ALSO STAND IN LINE AND BE READY. AND THAT WOULD BE MARTIN BANK. GOOD EVENING. UH, RON STRUBLE, 2 0 5. SHADY BLUFF POINT. UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVED YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION. UH, I WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS, UH, BOTH POSITIVE AND AND CONCERNING TO ME ON, ON THIS PROJECT. UM, WE WERE FIRST APPROACHED, I WANNA SAY THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO, UM, BY A DEVELOPER, UH, WHO'S NO LONGER HERE IN THIS PROJECT, IT SEEMS, UH, WHO, WHO PITCHED US LIKE A TIMESHARE SALES PITCH ON APARTMENTS, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, AND WE DID NOT LIKE THAT. AND, UM, UH, THAT ULTIMATELY DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH. I WANNA COME IN A COUPLE THINGS. NUMBER ONE, UH, MR. BELLAMY AND STAFF, UH, SUPERVISORS, THE RIGOR APPLIED TO THIS REZONING I'VE WATCHED EVERY REZONING, HIGHLY ENTERTAINING FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS. THEY'RE ALL ONLINE. UH, THE RIGOR APPLIED TO THIS THING IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM STAFF AND EVERYONE. UM, ASSUMPTIONS HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD IN YORK COUNTY IN THE PAST ON SOME OF THESE REZONING DECISIONS IS BECAUSE THE BOARD MANY TIMES WAS LEFT TO BE LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION ASKER AND TO DECIDE ON THINGS WITH A LACK OF GOOD DATA. AND SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMPLETELY THERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE. UH, WE'VE GOT GREAT PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS. I WANNA THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR MOVING AWAY FROM APARTMENTS. [02:30:02] THANK THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE INCLUSION OF A HISTORICAL MARKER. I THINK THAT'S HUGELY IMPORTANT IN THIS AREA. I WANNA THANK THE DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR INCREASING, UH, THE PARKING SITUATION THERE. UH, WE'VE ALL LIVED THROUGH THESE. ALSO, I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR, UH, ADDING THE ONE ACRE FOR A PARKING AREA. FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WE COULD DO A LITTLE MORE THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN UP THERE. UH, I'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE 2, 3, 4 ACRES FOR A PARKING AREA UP THERE AND SOME GREEN SPACE. UH, SINCE WE ARE THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION AND WE ARE ABOUT LAND CONSERVATION, UM, I SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO, UH, ALL THE, THE FAILURES WE'VE HAD IN THE COMMERCIAL, INCLUDING THIS PARCEL ITSELF IS A FAILED COMMERCIAL PROJECT. SO I, I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE 80. IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED, BUT I STILL HAVE CONCERNS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A COUNTY PROBLEM. I THINK THAT'S A DEVELOPER PROBLEM ON THE CAPITAL AND THE INVESTMENT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. GET THE SHEETS IN HERE, GET THIS ARBY'S IN HERE, AND THEN BUILD YOUR TOWNHOUSES. UM, THE FISCAL ANALYSIS, WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD DATA, BUT OUR CHAIRMAN HAS BEEN THE ONE TO DO THE MATH. THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE. THIS IS, WE HAVE BUSINESS PERSON ON THE BOARD. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, BUT WE NEED TO REALLY KNOW THE NUMBERS HERE. AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE NUMBERS. I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN HAS DONE THAT, BUT WE NEED TO VALIDATE THOSE NUMBERS AND ENSURE WE REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR. SO I THINK THAT IT'S JUST NOT TIMED YET. MAYBE THERE'S A DEFERRAL. MAYBE THERE'S SOME TABLING ON THIS THING. UH, I'VE TALKED ABOUT GREEN SPACE. AND FINALLY THE SCHOOL'S ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW A WAY AROUND IT. THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, UH, THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS UP THERE. I JUST DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU. AND THAT'S JUST A BIG HANGING SHOE IN THIS ROOM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE MARTIN BANK, FOLLOWED BY, UH, DEAN RICH. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. UH, MARTIN BANK, 1 29 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE IN THE, UH, WHITAKER'S MILL SUBDIVISION. OUR HOME BACKS RIGHT UP TO, UH, TO THIS SUBDIVISION, TO THIS NEW PARCEL HERE. UM, I'M GONNA JUST TALK BRIEFLY 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD A LOT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, WATER COUNTRY IS A VERY SNAKY ROAD, VERY DARK ROAD. ANY MORE ENTRANCES AND EXITS ARE GOING TO BE DANGEROUS. WE HAVE A LOT OF 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC THAT COMES OUT OF THE, UH, PARK RIGHT NEXT TO US ALL DAY LONG. PROBABLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED TRUCKS, MAYBE MORE. THIS MIGHT BRING ADDITIONAL TRUCKS OFF THE HIGHWAY TO GET GAS AT THE SHEET STATION. ALSO, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO A SHEETS OR ANY OTHER MAJOR GAS STATION, THERE'S ALWAYS LITTER. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A LITTER SITUATION ON WATER COUNTRY. I'VE PROVIDED EVERYBODY WITH A PICTURE. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE. UM, THERE'S ALREADY CURRENTLY REGULAR HEAVY TRAFFIC ON WATER COUNTRY, EVEN WITHOUT THE 18 WHEELERS. SHEETS GOING IN WOULD CAUSE NOISE, LIGHT AND TRASH ISSUES INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE PERSONAL AND PROPERTY ISSUES. AGAIN, MORE 18 WHEELERS, PROBABLY PEOPLE LOITERING IN THAT AREA. UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING ONE THING UP HERE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THE WAWA, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO MILES AWAY, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS, HAD A POLICE INCIDENT WHERE THE, UH, CHASE ENDED UP IN THE WAWA PARKING LOT. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS THAT, UH, HAPPEN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIVE IN A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'D LIKE IT TO STAY THAT WAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. I HAVE DEAN RICH, FOLLOWED BY, UH, MARVIN AND RUTH STALEY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. MY NAME'S DEAN RICH. I LEAVE AT ONE 13 CLAIMANTS MILL TRACE. AND I'M RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE IN OPPOSITION TO PROPOSE REZONING AT 200 WATER COUNTY PARKWAY FOR THE, WELL, I GUESS IT'S NOW 80. I HAD 125 TOWN HOMES, UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION AND ASSOCIATED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE THIRD VERSION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT I HAVE A ADDRESSED. IN OCTOBER 24, I RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, LIGHTING, NOISE, AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. I APPRECIATE THAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. HOWEVER, REDUCING A PROBLEMATIC PROPOSAL DOES NOT NECESSARILY MAKE THE RESULTING PROPOSAL APPROPRIATE AT THIS SITE. MY GREATEST CONCERN IS TRAFFIC AND SAFETY. THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PROJECTS APPROXIMATELY 8,510 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT 4,000 [02:35:01] BEING AT THIS BLUEGRASS FESTIVAL. THIS IS PER DAY TWICE THAT, UM, WELL ABOVE V DOTS 5,000 TRIP THRESHOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT AND SUBSTANTIAL, UH, AFFECTED TRANSPORTATION. WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, AS STATED BEFORE, IS A RELATIVELY NARROW WINDING ROADWAY WITH CURVES AND LIMITED SITE DISTANCE. THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD ADD NEW ACCESS POINTS AND THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL TURNING MOVEMENT INTO A ROAD NETWORK WHERE ROUTE 1 99 AND MUCH SMALLER LOCAL ROAD MEET. MY CONCERN IS NOT SIMPLY CONGESTION, IS WHETHER THE TRAFFIC CAN BE ABSORBED SAFELY DAY AFTER DAY. THOSE VEHICLES DO NOT DISAPPEAR AT THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY ENTER THE SAME ROAD NETWORK SERVING WHITAKER'S MILL, MARQUIS HILLS, THE SHOPPING CENTER, AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. THERE'S ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN. A GASOLINE STATION INTRODUCED STORAGE, DELIVERY AND DISPENSING OF LARGE QUANTITIES OF FUEL NEAR ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. MODERN CONTROLS REDUCE EMISSIONS AND RISK, BUT THEY DO NOT MAKE GASOLINE STORAGE AND DISPENSING ENVIRONMENTALLY NEUTRAL. MY CONCERN IS CUMULATIVE. WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING ONLY 80 OR 125 HOMES AND ONLY A CONVENIENCE STORE OR ONLY A GAS STATION. WE ARE CONSIDERING ALL OF THESE TOGETHER. I ALSO CONSIDER CONCERNS, I ALSO UNDERSTAND CONCERNS ABOUT POSSIBLE ALTERNATE USES. THOSE POSSIBILITIES DESERVE CONSIDERATION, BUT POSSIBLE DOES NOT MEAN INEVITABLE AND PERMITTED DOES NOT TELL US THEIR ACTUAL IMPACT. IF THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE SERIOUS POSSIBILITIES, COMPARE THEIR TRAFFIC, TRUCK MOVEMENTS, NOISE, OPERATING HOURS, AND ENVIRONMENT IMPACT WITH THIS PROPOSITION, WE SHOULD COMPARE IMPACT NOT LABELS. AND I RECOGNIZE THIS PROPERTY WILL LIKELY BE DEVELOPED SOMEDAY, BUT WE SHOULD NOT APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT WITH IDENTIFIABLE CONCERNS TODAY BECAUSE OF FEAR OF OVER A HYPOTHETICAL DEVELOPMENT. TOMORROW. POSSIBLE DOES NOT MEAN INEVITABLE BY RIGHT DOES NOT MEAN IMP UH, IMPACT FREE. I ASK YOU TO FOLLOW THE PANELING COMMISSION'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION AND DI DENY THIS APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT SHOULD FIT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE RESHAPED TO FIT THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MARVIN. RUTH, UH, STALEY, FOLLOWED BY LEE. LEN. GOOD EVENING. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RUTH STALEY, MY HUSBAND MARVIN STALEY. AND WE RESIDE AT TWO 12 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE WILLIAMSBURG, AND THAT'S IN WHITAKER MILL. UH, MR. GETTY AND DAN HARGET, UH, WITH ROCHA, ALONG WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, HAVE, UM, SPOKEN TO OUR COMMUNITY NUMEROUS TIMES AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL. AND THE PROJECT WAS SCALED BACK AND EVERY OBJECTION HAS BEEN MET WITH COMPROMISE ON THEIR PART. UH, CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE DESIGN SCALE GREEN SPACE. THEY INCLUDED RECOGNITION OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, WHEREAS NO MARKERS CURRENTLY EXIST. THERE HAVE BEEN STU STUDIES ON THE IMPACT, UH, TO THE AREA REGARDING TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL CAPACITY. WE ARE DESERT TO THE CONVENIENCE OF FUELING OUR VEHICLES OR GRABBING A QUICK SANDWICH, COFFEE OR OTHER CONVENIENCE STORE ITEMS, AS WELL AS OTHER EATERIES AND PROXIMITY TO THE HIGHWAY IS A PLUS TO THIS PROJECT. UM, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM A NEARBY RURAL COUNTY WHERE AFTER 50 YEARS THEY'RE FINALLY GETTING A NEW SCHOOL. SO I RECOGNIZE THE STRUGGLE IT PRESENTS. AND, UM, THIS PROPOSED PROJECT, CAN'T BEAR ALL THE BLUNT OF THAT. YORK COUNTY REALIZES THAT WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, REFERENDUM, UH, TO INCREASE THE SALES TAX AND IT WILL TAKE MORE PROJECTS SUCH AS MARQUEE PRO, UH, PROJECT TO SUPPORT OUR COMMUNITY AND ATTRACT AND RETAIN FUTURE RESIDENTS, BOTH OLD AND YOUNG DO OFFSET THIS, UH, NEEDED TAX REVENUE. THEREFORE, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, LEE. FOLLOWED BY, UH, PILGRIM HYMAN. GOOD EVENING. I'M LEE HOAGLAND 1 0 1 BOWRING DRIVE. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, I ALSO SERVE AS A CHAIR OF THE MARQUEE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHICH IS THE ENTITY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH, UM, SUPPORTS THE BONDS, WHICH DOESN'T SUPPORT BUT ORGANIZED THE BONDS, WHICH, UH, BUILT THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE MARQUES SHOPPING CENTER. UM, I ALSO SERVED ON THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING STEERING COMMITTEE. AND I CAN SAY, AT LEAST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IF THIS PROJECT HAD COME UP IN FRONT OF [02:40:01] US, WE WOULD'VE BEEN VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS. UM, I THINK IT DOES A LOT OF GREAT THINGS. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE MARQUES SHOPPING CENTER HAS SUFFERED. WE'VE LOST A LOT OF THE TENNIS JC PENNIES, DICK'S, KOHL'S. UM, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE FOR TARGET AND BEST BUY. UM, THE MARQUEE CROSSING PROJECT WOULD HELP THE CENTER BY INCREASING DENSITY ROOFTOPS, UH, BRING VEHICLES OFF OF 64 TO BUY GAS, COFFEE, ROAST BEEF SANDWICHES, UM, AND THEN THE, THEN GO BY TARGET AND GET SOME SUNSCREEN OR A BEST BUY TO GET A NEW CD. UM, SO THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY WILL SERVE BOTH PROJECTS WELL. UM, I'VE ALSO PULLED THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMM OF THE MARQUEE, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, AND THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT AS WELL. SO, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE. THINK THIS, WE THINK WE NEED THIS TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LEE. I HAD, UH, NAOMI PALERO HYMAN. YEP. FOLLOWED BY DARL HENSON. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. UM, MY NAME IS NOMI PIRO HYMAN. I LIVE IN WHITAKER MILL AS WELL. AND I AM HERE, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THANKING YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ON THIS MATTER. UH, AND I'M GONNA OPEN MY BRIEF REMARKS SAYING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT IS CONSTANT IN, IN OUR LIVES IS CHANGE. UM, I COME DOWN FROM, UM, I CAME DOWN HERE SEVEN YEARS AGO FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHERE THE CHANGE IS CONSTANT, WHERE TRAFFIC IS CRAZY. AND IF YOU PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO FEAR FOR ME IS THE NORM. OKAY? UM, SO MY CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH KEEPING THE COMMUNITY VIABLE, UM, PRISTINE, RIGHT? AND I, AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT, THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT, UM, ALLOWING THIS PROJECT, UM, TO OCCUR WILL BRING GROWTH TO THE AREA AND WILL INCREASE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY. I AM NOT, UH, A PERSON WHO KNOWS MATH. MATH IS NOT MY THING. UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS OTHER THAN I LIKE TO HAVE THINGS CLOSE TO ME LIKE I DID HAVE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'M HUNGRY AND I WANNA GO, AND I DON'T WANNA GO 200 MILES DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. UM, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT FOR THIS PROJECT TO END THE WAY. UM, JC PENNEY HAPPENED THAT IT HAPPENED TO JC PENNY TO KOHL'S, AND TO DICK'S SPORTING GOODS. UM, SO WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES, RIGHT? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENSURE THAT THESE REVENUES, WHATEVER THEY ARE, ARE USED TO BUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY IN SUPPORT OF OUR SCHOOLS. OTHERS, I MENTIONED THAT AS WELL. AND THEIR NEEDS. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE SCHOOLS THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES ARE AT OUR TOP TIER, UH, TOP TIER, UH, COMMUNITIES, JUST LIKE OTHERS IN THE COUNTY. UM, MY, I HAVE A, A LITTLE GRANDDAUGHTER, SHE'S MY ONLY GRANDDAUGHTER. AND, UH, SHE TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY, NANA, DO YOU KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO FOURTH GRADE AND MY, AND MY CLASS IS GONNA BE MEETING IN A TRAILER? AND I'M LIKE, I KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I LIKE TO, UM, SEE ADDRESS THIS. GENTLEMAN'S HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE TALKED TO US. UM, AND SO, UM, WE WANT TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY. I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU WORK IN A MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM APPROACH, THINGS CAN BE DONE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU. THANK YOU MR. HANSON. AND NEXT UP IS TONY. GOOD EVENING. I'M DARRELL HENSON. I LIVE IN WHITAKER MILL IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND, UH, UM, , THIS AREA HAS BEEN REALLY BEEN, BEEN SOMETHING THAT I, I'VE LOVED LIVING IN. SO I'LL JUST SAY IN MY HOME OF OPINION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE STEP FORWARD FOR THE YORK COUNTY COMMUNITY, TRANSFORMING AN UNMARKED AND INACCESSIBLE WOODED AREA INTO A VIBRANT, ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. BY BRINGING A MODERN SHEETS AND A THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED TOWN HOME COMMUNITY TO THE AREA, THE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL TAX REVENUE, CREATE LOCAL JOBS, WHILE REPLACING NEGLECTED BRUSH AND VISIBLY VISUALLY APPEALING, [02:45:01] UH, ARCHITECTURE AND PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING. WHILE THE SITE CON CURRENTLY HIDES IMPORTANT HISTORICAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING THE WHIT MILL ARCHEOLOGICAL COMPLEX, AND REVOLUTIONARY AND CIVIL WAR REMNANTS, THE WHITTED AREAS OFFERS NO MARKERS TO EDUCATE OR INFORM THE PUBLIC. RATHER THAN LEAVING THESE MILESTONES FORGOTTEN IN OVERGROWTH, THE DEVELOPERS' FORMAL COMMITMENT TO INSTALL A DEDICATED BENCH AND COMMEMORATIVE PLAQUE ENSURES THAT THE VITAL HISTORY IS ACTUALLY HONORED AND INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY'S DAILY LIFE. FINALLY, GIVING THE SITE THE PUBLIC RECOGNITION IT DESERVES. WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPER'S FUNDED MARKER, THE HISTORIC SITE WILL REMAIN COMPLETELY HIDDEN IN OVERGROWTH, ENTIRELY UNKNOWN TO PEOPLE. PASSING BY. ADDRESSING CRACK TRAFFIC CONCERNS IS A CRUCIAL COMPONENT AS WELL, BECAUSE ROUTE 1 9 9 AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY SERVES AS MAJOR CORRIDORS, ESPECIALLY WITH HIGH SEASONAL TRAFFIC. A PROACTIVE ENGINEERING FIRST APPROACH IS ESSENTIAL TO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING SMOOTHLY. FORTUNATELY, MODERN MIXED USE AND DEVELOPMENTS USE UTILIZE A STANDARD SUITE OF HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC MITIGATION STRATEGY TO HIGH, TO HANDLE HIGH VOLUME CONVENIENCE SITES WITHOUT DISRUPTING LOCAL RESIDENTS. THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO A COMPREHENSIVE VDOT APPROVED OF TRAFFIC STUDIES TO MATHEMATICALLY MODEL VEHICLE TRIPS AND FUND THE PRECISE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO KEEP THE SURROUNDING LEVEL OF SERVICE AND TRAFFIC FLOW STABLE. THIS WOULD ALSO IMPROVE VISIBILITY BY REMOVING THE ROUGHAGE THAT EXTENDS INTO DRIVER'S FIELD OF VISION WHEN TURNING ONTO PENMAN FROM WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY. THEREFORE, BY LEVERAGING PERAL DESIGNS SUCH AS DEDICATED TURN LANES AND CAPITALIZING ON THE SITE'S EXISTING INTERSECTION, YORK COUNTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH VDOT AND THE DEVELOPER, CAN ENSURE THAT THE ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF THE SHEETS AND TOWN HOMES ARE DELIVERED WITHOUT COMPROMISING NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY OR DAILY COMMUTES. LASTLY, SUCCESSFUL INTEGRATION RELIES ON BUFFER BY DESIGN. BY TREATING THE SPACE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, INCLUDING OUR WHI MEAL COMMUNITY, AS AN ACTIVE PARK-LIKE TRANSITION ZONE RATHER THAN A, THAN JUST A PROPERTY LINE, THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BECOME A COHESIVE, HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE RESIDENTS CAN ENJOY BOTH PEACEFUL LIVING AND WALKING DISTANCE CONVENIENCE. LASTLY, RESIDENTS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ACCEPTED, THE SITE WOULD MOST LIKELY BECOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT CAN BE ERECTED WITHOUT ADDITIONAL APPROVAL. THESE OPTIONS ARE LESS APPEALING TO THE EYE, GENERATE LESS REVENUE, AND WILL NOT RECOGNIZE THE HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. SO FOR ME, I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MRS. SIMPSON, FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM MILLER. GOOD EVENING. I'M MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. UM, REALLY, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HAS PROBABLY BEEN SAID BY EVERYONE WHO HAS STEPPED FORTH. I WILL JUST SAY, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I AM A MEMBER OF THE WHITAKERS MILL COMMUNITY. I AM THE, UM, PRESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY, HOA, THOUGH I'M NOT HERE SPEAKING IN THAT VEIN TONIGHT, I'M SPEAKING AS A HOMEOWNER IN WHITAKER'S MILL. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE AND BENEFICIAL USE OF THE SITE, PARTICULARLY GIVEN ITS LOCATION AND ITS CURRENT CONDITION FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE NEARBY. THIS PROPERTY IS HIGHLY VISIBLE. UNFORTUNATELY, TODAY, IT IS NOT AS ATTRACTIVE ENTRANCE OR GATEWAY TO OUR COMMUNITY. THIS PROPERTY IS FREQUENTLY, UM, UNSIGHTLY WITH ACCUMULATED TRASH, OVERGROWN AND UNKEMPT TREES AND VEGETATION. AND AN OVERALL APPEARANCE DOES NOT REFLECT THE QUALITY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LIVE IN. WHEN I BRING VISITORS INTO OUR COMMUNITY, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS THAT THEY SEE. IT IS DISAPPOINTING THAT THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THIS PROPERTY CREATES SUCH A POOR FIRST IMPRESSION. AS A MEMBER OF THE, UM, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WHITAKER MILL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I FREQUENTLY HAVE TO HAVE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CALLED VDOT BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE A PORTION OF THAT AREA THAT THEY ARE TO MAINTAIN. WE HAVE TO CALL THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS TO COME OUT AND KEEP UP THEIR PORTION OF THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE BUMPED UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ON, AND RIGHT NOW THAT CONDI, UM, PEOPLE RIDE BY THERE, THEY DUMP BAGS OF TRASH, THEY THROW BAGS OF TRASH OUT THERE, AND IT'S UNSIGHTLY. IT, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY OTHER WORDS FOR IT. UM, THE MARQUEE CR UM, CROSSING PROPOSAL PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSFORM THIS UNDERUTILIZED AND UNATTRACTIVE PROPERTY INTO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THIS AREA WHILE PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED SERVICES. THE PROPOSED SHEETS AND CONVENIENCE AND GAS COMPONENT IS PARTICULARLY BENEFICIAL BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. RESIDENTS CURRENTLY HAVE LIMITED CONVENIENT ACCESS TO THESE TYPES OF SERVICES, MEANING THE GAS STATION OR GRABBING A COFFEE OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, AS WELL AS HAVING A WELL DESIGNED, PROFESSIONALLY MAINTAINED BUSINESS LOCATED NEARBY WOULD PROVIDE CONVENIENCE FOR RESIDENTS WHILE ALSO SERVING THE BROADER TRAVELING PUBLIC ALONG 60 FOURS ROADWAYS. UM, CURRENTLY, UM, I ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY GAS IN NEWPORT NEWS. WHEN I AM UP IN THAT AREA GRABBING THINGS, I GO THERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA DRIVE UP 1 99 TO HARRIS TEE TO GRAB GAS. I DON'T WANNA GO OVER TO, UM, RICHMOND ROAD AND GRAB GAS OR OVER TO THE WAWA TO GRAB GAS. SO I TRY TO GRAB IT, GRAB IT WHERE IT'S MOST CONVENIENT, AND IT'S NOT IN YOUR COUNTY. FOR ME, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS NOT SIMPLY ABOUT PUTTING A DEVELOPMENT ON THE EMPTY PIECE OF LAND. IT [02:50:01] IS ABOUT TAKING A PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY AN EYESORE AND REPLACING IT WITH A PLAN MAINTAINED AND PROFESSIONALLY DEVELOPED COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENTS BRING LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, INCLUDING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THOSE CONCERNS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS AND CAREFUL SITE PLANNING. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THOSE ISSUES CAN BE MANAGED WHILE STILL ALLOWING THIS PROPERTY TO BE PUT TO A MUCH BETTER USE FOR THESE REASONS. I RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO SUPPORT THE MARKY CROSSING APPLICATION AND GIVE THIS PROJECT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN AN UNATTRACTIVE AND UNUTILIZED PROPERTY INTO AN ASSET FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE, UH, WILLIAM MILLER. I AM BILL MILLER, 1 0 8 DAVID'S WAY, DISTRICT FOUR. SIR, I HAVE IN MY HAND A COPY OF A BOOK ENTITLED THE PENINSULA CAMPAIGN AND THE NECESSITY FOR EMAN OF EMANCIPATION. SO DO I . GOOD MAN. DR. GLENN BRASHER, A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, PUBLISHED THIS WORK IN 2012. IT REVEALS THE ROLES OF ENSLAVED AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO PROVIDE MANPOWER AND INTELLIGENCE TO INSIST THE EFFORTS OF THE UNION ARMY. DURING THE SPRING OF 1862, THE TANGIBLE OUTREACH OF THE ENSLAVED AFRICAN-AMERICANS IS DOCUMENTED TO HAVE OCCURRED ON THE WHITAKER PROPERTY DURING THE BATTLE OF WILLIAMSBURG ON MAY 5TH. THAT EVENT TOOK PLACE IN THE NEAR VICINITY OF THE APPLICANT'S ZONING REQUESTS, AND THE APPLICANT HAS MADE PROFFERS TO INTERPRET THIS EVENT, WHICH CONVINCED MANY IN THE NORTH AT THE TIME FOR EMANCIPATION HAD COME. DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HELD WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM TO ESTABLISH A PARK-LIKE SETTING CLOSE TO THE, TO THE PROPOSED COUNTY'S RAILS TO TRAILS PROJECT, AND TO PROVIDE INTERPRETIVE MARKERS TO HIGHLIGHT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PRE EMANCIPATION EVENT. AS A PROPONENT OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE APPLICANT'S VISION TO INCORPORATE THIS ELEMENT OF OUR LOCAL HISTORY INTO THEIR CURRENT REQUEST. I'M WELL AWARE THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS OVERALL AREA HAS BEEN CHALLENGING FOR THE COUNTY. IN MY VIEW, ANY FUTURE ESTABLISHMENT OF WAREHOUSING AND OR INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES ON THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT OFFER THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT I SUPPORT. IN SUMMARY, I BELIEVE THAT THE, A APPLICANT'S VISION TO ESTABLISH ATTRACTIVE HOUSING AND TO PROVIDE AN INTERPRETIVE AREA WITH APPROPRIATE MARKERS MAY BE THE LAST BEST OPPORTUNITY TO MEMORIALIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. I URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. VERNON GETTY, UH, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK AGAIN OR? NO? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS, UH, BRENDAN NEE, WHO'S ON DECK. WHO'S ON DECK. ON DECK IS DAVID FLOYD, WHO'S ON DECK. GOOD EVENING. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS BRANDON. NICE. I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT 4,700 FIT AND MILL ROAD, UM, AND SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF DAVID. NICE BUILDERS. UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION PUT BEFORE YOU. OUR COMPANY HAS BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, UM, HERE LOCALLY AND REMAINS FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED TO THIS DAY. AND DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, WE'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE AND HONOR OF COMPLETING A LOT OF PROJECTS IN YORK COUNTY, UM, AND PARTNERING WITH YOU GUYS MOST RECENTLY ON THE, THE BLESSING OF BEING ABLE TO BRING CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES, NEW HOME TO LIFE, RIGHT OVER IN THE WALLER MILL AREA, WHICH YOU GUYS WERE SO SUPPORTIVE OF. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT WAS A HUGE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, BUT ALTHOUGH OUR COMPANY SPECIFICALLY IS BASED IN JAMES CITY COUNTY, WE EMPLOY ABOUT 170 EMPLOYEES ACROSS ALL OF OUR DIVISIONS. AND THE MAJORITY OF MY EMPLOYEES ARE TRAVELING FROM RICHMOND, NEWPORT NEWS HAMPTON, UH, NEW KENT. UH, MUCH FURTHER LOCATIONS THAN WE WOULD WANT. UM, AND THEN WHAT MANY OF THE NEW APPLICANTS AND, AND PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GETTING WOULD WANT TO TRAVEL FOR. UM, WE HAVE, UH, A LOT OF NEED IN, IN, IN OUR AREA FOR AFFORDABLE AND ATTAINABLE HOUSING TO PROMOTE, UM, A SOLID WORKFORCE, NOT JUST FOR OUR BUSINESS, BUT FOR MANY BUSINESSES, INCLUDING THOSE LIKE CDR AND OTHER [02:55:01] COMMERCIAL AND, AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES AROUND THE AREA. UM, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I I APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF LAND IN A RURAL COMMUNITY VERY MUCH. I'M AN AVID OUTDOORSMAN. I'M A HUGE LAND CONSERVATIONIST PROPONENT. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BY JUST BEING OUTDOORS, THE JOY AND THE HEALING THAT CAN BRING TO PEOPLE JUST BEING IN THE WOODS OR SEEING TREES AND BEING IN A RURAL COMMUNITY OF ITSELF. SO I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT RURAL CHARACTER OF THEIR COMMUNITY. UM, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN RESPECT THOSE RURAL AREAS AND RECOGNIZE THAT RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS SOMETHING, UH, LIKE THIS, UM, COULD TAKE PLACE. MARQUIS CROSSING MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. IT HAS A PROXIMITY TO MAJOR INTERSTATE EXCHANGE, HOTELS, OTHER BUSINESSES, UM, SIGNIFICANT TOURIST ATTRACTION ATTRACTIONS LIKE WATER COUNTRY AND BUSH. UM, I'VE PERSONALLY WATCHED THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET MY ENTIRE LIFE, UM, TO BE DEVELOPED AND STRUGGLED TO GAIN MUCH MOMENTUM FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES NOW, DESPITE HAVING AN INCREDIBLE LOCATION TO GET TO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE. UM, A WELL-PLANNED PROJECT LIKE THIS, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL POPULATION COULD HELP REVITALIZE THE AREA AND BE MUCH NEEDED TO BRING IN MORE BUSINESSES AND INVESTMENT, UM, AND EVENTUALLY HELP SUPPORT ADDITIONAL SERVICES LIKE SCHOOL GROWTH AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WOULD HELP GENERATE TAX REVENUE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A MASSIVE BENEFIT TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE JAMES C COUNTY AND WILLIAMSBURG, UM, TO PROVIDE THAT ATTAINABLE HOUSING. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS ONE AND WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE DAVID FLOYD, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS THOMPSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS, UH, DAVID FLOYD. I LIVE AT 2 6 3 5 FOR ROAD, ALTHOUGH I LIVE AT JAMES CITY COUNTY. I DO HAVE A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES THAT DO WORK FOR ME. AND ONE OF MY STRUGGLES OF LATE HAS BEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, I'VE GOT GUYS LIVING IN CHARLES CITY, NEWPORT, NEWS HAMPTON. WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE PENINSULA CORRIDOR. WE'RE IN, YOU KNOW, WILLIAMSBURG, YORK COUNTY. UM, AND I'M JUST STRUGGLING KEEPING GUYS, UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, HOUSING HAS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND I'M IN THAT WORLD. UM, I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, STANLEY MARTIN FOR MANY YEARS. I'VE SEEN THE WAY THEY DEVELOP, I'VE SEEN THE WAY THEY BUILD. I'M A PROPONENT FOR THEM, UH, GREEN SPACE, THAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT. UH, I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTOR, SO WHAT I DO IS TO PRESERVE THOSE AREAS. WETLANDS, RPAS, GREEN SPACE. IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN, UH, MY OPINION. AND THEY TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. UM, I'VE BEEN IN WAYNESBURG AREA FOR 20 YEARS NOW. MOVED FROM CHESAPEAKE UP IN OH FOUR. I USED TO GO OVER TO MARQUEE. I TAKE MY KIDS TO GO TO DICK'S. WE'D GO OVER THERE, WATER COUNTRY, AND I GO OVER THERE NOW AND IT'S DEPRESSING. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DRIVE, TRY TO SLIDE OFF THE INTERSTATE TO GRAB SOMETHING. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. I'M ON THE ROAD ALL OVER. I'M FROM, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY FROM STANTON TO CAROLINA. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO COME UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING THERE. I NEED FUEL. MY GUYS NEED FUEL, YOU KNOW, TO PICK UP. UH, DIESEL GAS SHEETS IS A BIG OUTLET. THEY HAVE GAS, THEY HAVE DIESEL. IT, IT MAKES IT CONVENIENT. IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO, UM, I JUST THINK IT'S A WIN. UH, I THINK IT JUST DOES THE, THE COMMUNITY WELL, AND I THINK IT HELPS GUYS LIKE ME WITH EMPLOYEES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MOST OF MY GUYS ARE 30 TO 40 YEARS OLD AND THEY HAVE A WIFE AND, AND MAYBE ONE CHILD, TWO CHILDREN. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST NOTHING AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. THREE 80 TO FOUR 50. IT'S DOABLE WITH A MOM AND DAD WORKING FIVE, 600 IS, IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. SO I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS SEE THE POSITIVE IN THIS PROJECT AND, AND ACCEPT IT. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME. THANK YOU. CHRIS THOMPSON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S CHRIS THOMPSON. I LIVE AT 1 42 BAKKER DRIVE HERE IN WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA, YORK COUNTY. UH, JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE, UH, MARQUIS DEVELOPMENT, I WANT TO KIND OF PROPOSE FAVOR FOR THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BECAUSE I LIKE HOME, HOME OWNERSHIP. AND I BOUGHT MY HOUSE A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT'S REALLY HELPED MY WIFE AND I KIND OF LIKE, GET SOLID GROUND FINANCIALLY. SO I'M A HUGE PROPONENT OF HOME OWNERSHIP. ALSO, WHEN PEOPLE OWN HOMES IN A COMMUNITY, THEY CARE A LOT MORE ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY. LIKE, I TALK TO MY NEIGHBORS. I, IF I DON'T MOW MY LAWN FOR TWO WEEKS, LIKE I'M GONNA PROBABLY HEAR IT AND THE SHAME IS GONNA MAKE ME GET OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT . SO THERE'S A GOOD PART OF THAT. AND HAVING ACCOUNTABILITY OF NEIGHBORS AND CARING ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY AND PICKING UP TRASH AND, AND LOVING PEOPLE. AND SO I THINK HOME OWNERSHIP BRINGS JUST STRONG COMMUNITY TO AN AREA. AND, UH, [03:00:01] I'M NO ECONOMIC EXPERT. I HAVEN'T WRITTEN ANY BOOKS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE, THE LOFT SUPPLY AND DEMAND, AND WHEN YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES AND LESS DEMAND, TYPICALLY PRICES GO DOWN. AND SO I'M A PROPONENT FOR MY FINANCIAL STANDING WITH BUYING A HOUSE. I WANT OTHER PEOPLE MY AGE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT THERE, BUY A HOUSE, FIND THEMSELVES ON SOME SOLID, STABLE GROUND. UM, SO I LOVE THAT THIS PROJECT IS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. UM, I LOVE SHEETS. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE ENJOYS SHEETS. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. BUT ANOTHER THING IS, UH, I LIVE NEXT TO THE MARQUES SHOPPING CENTER, AS WE KNOW DOWN THE ROAD. AND THAT IS LIKE, IT'S LIKE THE EYESORE OF, OF WILLIAMSBURG. LIKE, I, I GO BY IT AND I'M LIKE, AH, MAN, THIS IS JUST NOT, IT'S NOT GOOD. THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT COULD COME OUTTA THERE. AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR, FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT PROGRESSIVELY JUST GET WORSE AND WORSE AND THE ROADS GET WORSE AND WORSE. AND I'M LIKE, MAN, HOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE BEST CHANCE AT THIS PLACE, ACTUALLY, UM, GETTING BETTER. AND SO IF YOU GET, I DON'T KNOW, 125 HOMES IN THERE OF SHEETS AND SOME COMMERCIAL, YOU HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COMING IN, MORE BUSINESS, MAYBE SOME OTHER BUSINESSES WILL, WILL BE INCENTIVIZED TO COME IN THERE. AND, UH, ALSO I WAS, I'M PART OF A CHURCH CONGREGATION CALLED FOUNDATIONS CHURCH, AND WE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO BUY THE JCPENNEY BUILDING. WE POURED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO IT, BUT THERE WERE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WERE IN THE MARQUEE CENTER OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE, SOMEWHERE THAT KEPT PREVENTING US FROM BUYING IT, EVEN THOUGH GOOD THINGS WERE GONNA HAPPEN. SO I THINK IF YOU CAN RAISE THE BUSINESS IN THAT AREA, MAYBE THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE INCENTIVIZED TO SELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAD, UH, ANGELA RICKMAN. NO. OKAY. AND GREGORIAN GORIAN AND THEN PAM . HI. UM, ANDREW GORIAN, 1 1 7 BALD PLACE. UM, I'LL BE REALLY BRIEF. I AGREED WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS HERE, BUT, UM, I DO WANNA RAISE, UM, MY OBJECTION TO APPROVING THIS AT LEAST TONIGHT. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THE DATA. I THINK MR. SHEPHERD THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA GIVE $800,000 IN PROFFERS, BUT IF I WAS ABLE TO CATCH THE MATH, I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE $159,000. IT'S PER YEAR TIMES FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S EIGHT 50. IT'S WHAT? IT'S 850. THEY'RE GONNA DO IT PER YEAR. 159,000? YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. FOR FIVE YEARS. OKAY. WELL, I DID WANNA, I, I STILL THINK THAT THE DATA IS A LITTLE MURKY. I THINK THAT THEY REALLY SHOULD CLEAN UP THE DATA. I THINK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE ON TOP OF THAT. THE THINGS IDENTIFIED IN THE THIRD PARTY ANALYSIS COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH OUR OWN PEOPLE. UM, UH, THEY DON'T MENTION SPECIAL EDUCATION CHILDREN WHO ARE TWICE THE AMOUNT, UH, IN GENERAL, UH, TO, TO TAKE CARE OF FOR OUR SCHOOLS. SO SEVEN KIDS, THAT'S $30,000 A YEAR JUST IN SPECIAL EDUCATION. THE ANALYSIS MENTIONS BUSES THAT MIGHT NEED, NEED TO BE PURCHASED. UM, ALSO THEY DON'T MENTION THAT 7% ON AVERAGE, ACCORDING TO THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS HERE IN, UM, YORK COUNTY, ARE EXEMPT FROM TAXES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT APPLIES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT OR NOT. UM, BUT IF IT DOES AT 125 OR 117, IT'S AROUND EIGHT, SEVEN TO EIGHT HOMES. AND AT THE TAX AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE TALKING, THAT'S ANOTHER $40,000 EXEMPT, NOT INCLUDING THE PROPERTY TAX THAT THE DISABLED AND SURVIVING SPOUSES, UM, ARE, ARE AVAILABLE FOR. SO I THINK THE, THE DATA IS STILL TOO MURKY. AND SO I HOPE THE BOARD, UM, AT LEAST UNTIL THEY CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THESE POINTS, UM, DOES NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OO, SHOW 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT. I DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I DON'T LIVE UP IN THAT AREA, SO IT DOES NOT PERSONALLY AFFECT ME. BUT I WILL SAY WHEN MARQUE SHOPPING CENTER WAS BUILT, I TOLD MY HUSBAND AT THAT TIME THAT IT WOULD FAIL EVENTUALLY. WHY? BECAUSE IT HAD NO GROCERY STORE AND IT DID NOT HAVE SEVERAL RESTAURANTS LIKE A, A TEXAS ROADHOUSE OR A, A OLIVE GARDEN THAT BRINGS IN PEOPLE WHO EAT, BUY THEIR GROCERIES, AND THEN SHOP IN OTHER STORES. THAT WAS THE MISTAKE THAT HAPPENED. NOW FOR WHAT'S [03:05:01] GOING ON HERE, UH, PROFFERS FOR SCHOOLS ARE WONDERFUL. I APPRECIATE IT. HOWEVER, THE COST OF THE STAFFING OF THOSE SCHOOLS NEVER GOES AWAY. UM, WE WERE FIRST TOLD TONIGHT THAT THESE WERE LUXURY UNITS AND THEN WE WERE TOLD THEY'RE MODERATE UNITS. UH, WHICH ONE ARE THEY? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. UM, IF I WAS GOING TO LIVE IN A LUXURY UNIT, I DON'T WANNA BE NEXT DOOR TO A WATER PARK. THEY'RE NOISY IN THE SUMMER, PRODUCE A LOT OF LIGHT. I WOULD IMAGINE IF THEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW LATE THEY STAY. I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE. UM, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A LUXURY NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY OPINION. FAST FOOD IS NOT LUXURY. IT'S QUICK IN AND OUT. SAME AS A GAS STATION. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY IF WE PUT IN THERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNDER 300,000, IF THAT'S EVEN AVAILABLE THESE DAYS. UH, WITH ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT. THAT'S WHAT IS NEEDED IN THIS COUNTY. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY WHO WORK HERE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. AND I FIND THAT ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A THREE STORY UNIT AND YOU'RE HANDICAPPED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIVE IN A THREE STORY UNIT. UM, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE HERE TALK ABOUT THE TRASH THAT IS ACCUMULATED ALONG THE ROADWAY THERE AND HOW IT'S OVERGROWN AND ENTANGLED. WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THE OWNER MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, CLEAN IT UP OR HAVE WATER COUNTRY DO IT BECAUSE IT'S THEIR FOLKS COMING THROUGH THAT ARE MAKING THE MESS THAT'S OUT THERE. UM, I ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF STORES THEY WANNA PUT IN THE HOUSING WHERE THERE ARE, THERE ARE JUST UNITS ABOVE THE STORES. I WOULDN'T WANNA LIVE ABOVE A CHINESE TAKEOUT PLACE 'CAUSE THEY STINK. I MEAN, THE FOOD'S GREAT, BUT THEY STINK. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING IN AND THAT WILL AFFECT WHETHER PEOPLE WANNA BUY IT OR NOT. SO JUST SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. I THINK THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD IDEA. BUT AGAIN, I WON'T LIVE THERE OTHER THAN MY TAX BASE. I, I DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE RESULTS. BUT THANK YOU. ANYWAY. THANK YOU. THERE WAS ALL THE CITIZENS I HAD SIGNED UP. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS YOU WISH TO SPEAK RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK? MARK WILLIAMS FIVE 13 CHARLES ROAD. I'M ONLY GONNA USE HALF THE TIME 'CAUSE I REALIZE IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG MEETING, BUT I PROMISE YOU IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ROAST BEEFS TONIGHT, SOMEBODY HAS TO DO MEAL DELIVERY SERVICE. UM, TO ALLAY. THE ONE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, CONCERNS REGARDING THE, UM, LOITERING. I HAPPEN TO WEAR A SPECIAL T-SHIRT TONIGHT. THAT IS NOT YOUR COUNTY. I THINK THE BOARD COULD DO WELL BY LETTING 'EM KNOW WE HAVE A CRIME PREVENTION UNIT. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN STOP EVERY NEGATIVE THING THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN. BUT GOING THROUGH OUR CRIME PREVENTION UNIT AND YOU AS A BOARD MEMBER, BEING ABLE TO CONVEY TO THE DEVELOPERS AND TO SOMEBODY THAT MAY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SOMEBODY LOITERING, UM, LIGHTING CAMERAS AND GETTING IN TOUCH WITH OUR CRIME PREVENTION UNIT WITH KEVIN TAYLOR AND THE CAPTAINS AND THE, UM, STAFF THAT WORK IN THAT DIVISION CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE BEST RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHAT WORKS LIKE WE HAVE HERE IN THE GRAFTON SHOPPING CENTERS. UM, HAVING A COMMUNITY THAT IS A COMMUNITY AS FAR AS TRASH AND THE SUGGESTION THAT, UM, THE OTHER PERSON MADE, HAVING THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE A, A STAKE IN THE MATTER OF KEEPING CLEANLINESS. AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT YOUTH BEING ABLE TO GET ONTO STABLE GROUNDS. UM, THOSE ARE A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS. AND HAVING A POSITIVE COMMUNITY. I MYSELF, OCCASIONALLY YOU MAY FIND ME ON ROUTE 17, PICKING UP A NAIL OR TWO. IT JUST HELPS ME BURN OFF MY COFFEE. UM, I'VE GONE 15 SECONDS OVER. I'M GONNA END MY DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT. I, UM, WAS, UM, GIVEN PRIVY TO IT TONIGHT BY THE, UH, DEVELOPERS. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I HEARD, AND I'M GONNA REITERATE THE FACT THAT BEING ABLE TO REDEVELOP THE ROADWAYS AND HAVING THAT COST SPREAD UPON THE TWO OR THREE INVESTORS RATHER THAN ONE HAVING TO DO IT ALL THEMSELVES. I THINK IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. THANK YOU. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. I THINK SHE WON. OH, I'M SORRY. MISSED YOU [03:10:02] MRS. HOWELL. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I'M DIANE HOWELL. I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE IN WILLIAMSBURG, UPPER YORK COUNTY DISTRICT ONE. UM, I INTENTIONALLY LEFT HOME TONIGHT AND DROVE 1 99. I DIDN'T TAKE 64 AND GET OFF ON FORT EUSTIS. AND I'M SO THANKFUL THE PARKWAY IS OPEN NOW. UM, I'M HERE. I WANNA CHALLENGE YOU. I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT READY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TABLE IT, TO THINK ABOUT ALL THAT'S BEEN SHARED TONIGHT. I SEE YOU AS STEWARDS OF THE LAND IN THIS COUNTY FROM DISTRICT ONE TO THE LOWER DISTRICTS IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS PARCEL IS REFERRED TO AS THE GATEWAY TO YORK COUNTY. AS I RODE TONIGHT, I SAW THE BEAUTIFUL TIMBER, THE WOODS, AND I THOUGHT, OH, THAT'LL ALL BE REMOVED. THERE'LL BE SOME GREEN SPACE. I'VE HAD A VISION FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND ONLY WISH THE COUNTY OR THE BATTLEFIELD TRUST WOULD PURCHASE IT BECAUSE OF THE BIKE TRAIL. AND I SAW IT AS RECREATION. I SAW BOOKS AND BEER AND BARBECUE, NOT SHEETS. I AM ASKING YOU TO THINK IS WHAT IS PROPOSED THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR THIS PARCEL. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND. IT OPENS UP, YOU DRIVE A FEW MILES AND YOU'VE GOT THE BREATHTAKING YORK RIVER TO YOUR LEFT. WE'VE HAD THE DEVELOPERS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD BE THERE. THAT INFURIATES ME TO SORT OF MAKE ME FEEL LIKE, WELL THIS IS, THIS IS IT. WE HAD SOMEONE SPEAK TO THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S PRETTY SAD IF THE WAY TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IS TO BUILD A HUNDRED PLUS HOMES. SO I JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT. I'M TROUBLED IN THAT I HAD THE PRIVILEGE WITH MEETING WITH AN EARLY DEVELOPER ON THIS AND HE PUT OUT HIS LUXURY PICTURES AND SOMEONE IN THE GROUP SAID, WELL, WHERE'S THE COMMERCIAL? HE WAS SPEECHLESS. AND THIS OTHER INDIVIDUAL SAID THE CONVERSATION WOULD'VE GONE A LOT BETTER IF THERE HAD BEEN A COMMERCIAL ASPECT. EVEN WITH SHEETS AND RB SPEAKING TONIGHT. I DON'T WANNA SEE A TOWNHOUSE OCCUPIED UNTIL I CAN PUMP GAS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE A REQUEST FROM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MR. HARGET, IF YOU COULD GET UP AND ADDRESS THE PROFFER. MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED. UH, I ASSUME IT'S A FINANCIAL QUESTION. OKAY. SORRY. IT'S FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. WELL, THERE WERE STATEMENTS ABOUT EVERY PAY FOR FIVE YEARS, THE SAME AMOUNT. UH, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE. SAY WE COULDN'T HEAR, WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. YOUR MIC IS OFF. AND WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I JUST WANTED IT, THERE WERE SOME STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT MAYBE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE THE SAME AMOUNT PAID PER UNIT FOR FIVE YEARS OR CONTINUOUSLY. AND I DON'T THINK THE LANGUAGE, YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, ANY OF MIC REFLECTS. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. NO, IT IS ON GET CLOSER. YOU MIC. THERE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION BY BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN PROFFERED AN ANNUAL PAYMENT THAT WOULD CONTINUE EVERY YEAR. I HEARD THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK, AND, AND I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS. I IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT. IT'S A DON'T, IT'S A ONE TIME PAYMENT. I HEARD THAT STATEMENT AND PER UNIT. CORRECT. AND THE, AND THE IDEA BEHIND THE FIVE YEAR BREAKOUT WAS TO TRY TO GET US TO GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT IT, IT REDUCES AND THE AMOUNT OF THE PAYMENT IS DESIGNED ONCE, ONCE THE COMMERCIAL PAD IS COMPLETE, THE, THE PAYMENT IS STRUCTURED TO REDUCE 20%. RIGHT? CORRECT. A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS. SO IT'LL GO ESSENTIALLY DOWN TO ZERO AFTER FIVE YEARS. YEAH. PER UNIT. THE IDEA WAS, UM, WE AS A DEVELOPER WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMIT THAT WE COULD DO IT FASTER. AND IF WE COULD DO IT FASTER, [03:15:01] THE PROFFER WOULD GO DOWN OVER TIME TO INCENTIVIZE THIS TO GET THESE COMMERCIAL USERS OPEN AND OPERATING AS FAST AS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. OFFSET BY THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THE BUSINESS. EXACTLY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THE COMMERCIAL USERS OFFSET THE REDUCTION. OKAY. YOU'RE CLEAR. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS CLEAR. THANK YOU. IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. MRS. NOLL. I APPRECIATE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO SPEAK FOR AND AGAINST THIS PROJECT. THAT LAND HAS BEEN OPEN FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR A LONG TIME AND THINK THE, THE PROJECT ARE SCHEDULED TO BUILD HOMES THAT YOUNG PEOPLE CAN STILL AFFORD. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED IN YORK COUNTY. AND I THINK THE GAS STATION UP THERE IS A, IT'S A WASTELAND. THERE HAS TO BEEN A GAS STATION IN THAT AREA FOR A WHILE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUTING OR HAVE TO GET OFF THE, THE HIGHWAY TO GET GAS ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHEN THE LIGHT COMES ON, IT, IT LOOKS TO ME TO BE A WORTHWHILE DEVELOPMENT. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE TRAIL IS GOING TO BE THERE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME AMENITIES ATTACHED TO THE, THE TRAIL. I REALLY HOPE THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP THE MARQUEE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE ONCE THEY START SEEING MORE ROOFTOPS, IF YOU WILL, UH, THERE'LL BE MORE REASON FOR THEM. I WOULD THINK TO THINK TWICE ABOUT THE STORES. AND I LIKED THE MAN WHO CAME UP AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHURCH BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ALL, WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH, BUT MAYBE TIMES WILL CHANGE. UM, I'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME. WE'VE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE MADE. AND EVERY CHANGE HAS BEEN A GOOD CHANGE. AND I WILL COMPLIMENT OUR CHAIRMAN FOR THE HARD WORK THAT HE'S PUT INTO THIS BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THAT AREA. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE'S SATISFIED AND THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE DELAYED ANY LONGER. IT'S BEEN ON AND ON AND ON. AND THERE MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT, MONEY NEEDS TO BE MADE. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TAX RATE THAT'S GOING TO HELP. AND THE SCHOOLS IS A PROBLEM, ALWAYS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. AND PERHAPS THE REFERENDUM WILL HELP TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT. BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE OLDER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN 50 YEARS OLD. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A COUPLE THAT ARE 72 YEARS OLD ARE APPROACHING THAT, THAT THING. SO I APPRECIATE THE PROFFERS FOR THE EDUCATION OF OUR STUDENTS. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE STUDENTS, AND WE'VE WORKED ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND LOOKED AT IT AND TALKED ABOUT IT AND, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO I WILL SUPPORT IT. MR. SHEPHERD, LET ME ASK A QUESTION FIRST, JUST TO POINT ORDER, ARE WE GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE THEN DISCUSS IT? OR ARE WE JUST NOW DOING THE PREAMBLE? , ARE WE GONNA WARM UP AGAIN HERE FOR A SECOND SWING OR WHAT? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, A DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE 80% OR 80 UNITS FOR C OF O AND WHETHER WE AGREE ON THAT POINT OR WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT. WHAT'S HE TALKING ABOUT? SO WE CAN JUST, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN MAKE A MOTION AND MOVE ON AND THEN MOVE ON. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. I, WELL, I CAN GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE. FIRST OF ALL, UM, UH, EARL, THIS IS THE PLANNING. I MEAN, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE PLANNING GUYS DID. I MEAN, BUT OH MY GOSH, THIS IS SO OVER THE TOP. I AND IN MY 25 YEARS ON THE BOARD, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT MUCH PAPER ON A, ON ANY PROPOSAL. NO. AND INCLUDING THE MARQUEE. OKAY. I MEAN, ITSELF. THAT WAS, AND, AND, AND I AND THE STAFF APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO PUT IT TOGETHER. BUT THE, UH, STRAPS DON'T HOLD IT. IT'S SO THICK. OKAY. IT WAS 4, 4, 4 OR FIVE INCHES THICK. I ENDED UP LOSING 50 PAGES AND DAMN IF I'M GONNA SIT AROUND HERE AND RE YOU KNOW, RECOLLATE THIS STUFF. OKAY. SO, UH, SO SOME I THINK WE NEED LESS AND, AND, AND NO, IN FACT, WHAT MY TAKEAWAY FROM THE, THE WHOLE THING WAS I LOOKED AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE TRA TRANSPORTATION AND I LOOKED ON THERE AND I SAW NOWHERE DID IT GO BELOW C AND, AND, AND [03:20:01] HAVING VICTORY BOULEVARD IN MY DISTRICT. MM. OKAY. OR YOU GUYS GOT WHATEVER IS THE AIRPORT ROAD UP THERE, AIRPORT. SO YOU CAN GET THE D AND E REAL QUICK. YES. SO ANYWAY, THAT THE TRANSPORTATION IT WAS, WAS TOO, THAT WAS TOO MUCH. OKAY. JUST THINK ABOUT TONING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT CARRYING A TOME OUTTA HERE AGAIN. UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE. UM, I THINK THE DEVELOPER, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 80, THE 80 NUMBER. OKAY. AND ACTUALLY HOW THAT ACTUALLY WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE, THE BUILDER. OKAY. AND THAT I, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF, THAT WAS THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REALLY EXPLAINED A LOT OF STUFF TO US BECAUSE WE, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, UM, WE LOOK AT THESE KINDA LIKE A TRIP WIRE. YOU GET TO THIS POINT, YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR JOB, THEREFORE YOU'RE NOT GOING ANY FURTHER. WE'VE RUN INTO SEVERAL OF THOSE, UH, OVER THE YEARS. AND, UH, THIS JUST, THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T APPLY HERE. IT APPLIED TO THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT. SO YOU GOT THE COMMERCIAL STUFF ALREADY LINED UP. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I MEAN, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, PRESENTATION CONVINCED ME, OKAY. I'VE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE WHERE THE BUSINESS IS SO EAGER TO GO TO BUILD IT. OKAY. AND IT WAS NICE HAVING THAT, HAVING THAT PRESENTED TO US MM-HMM . SO, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE EXPLANATION. UM, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS NOTED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE, UM, HISTORICAL MARKER ASPECTS OF THIS. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF IT. OKAY. WHEN I STARTED READING THE PACKAGE, WHEN I FINALLY COULD GET TO IT. BUT, UH, THAT COMMITMENT IS, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT ONLY IMPORTANT, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY OF YOUR COUNTY. UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU'RE NOT VERY FAR FROM THE BATTLE OF, UH, I DON'T GUESS WHAT IT WOULD BE, WILLIAMSBURG WILLIAMS, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, THE READ OUT THERE, JONES POND, UH, AND ALL THAT. AND I'VE WALKED THROUGH THAT. SO THAT'S, UH, YOU'RE IN THAT HISTORICAL AREA, BUT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT IN THERE. AND I, I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THE SUPERVISORS HAVE TO DO IS DIFFERENT THAN A PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKS AT LAND USE, THE SUPERVISORS LOOK AT LAND USE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES WITH IT. OKAY. BE IT THE POLITICAL PARTS OF IT, BE IT THE, UH, OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND THE THING THAT CAME BACK TO MIND EVERY TIME WE'VE GONE UP HERE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND SHEILA AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD WHEN THE MARQUEE WAS PROPOSED, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS. IT WENT THROUGH THREE ITERATIONS. UM, AND, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WONDERING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT'S GONNA END UP WITH IT. OKAY. NOW, THE NICE THING IS THAT WHEN WE FIRST DID THE MARQUEE, UH, GOT INVOLVED WITH IT, IT WAS DESIGNED THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT IF THAT THING BLOWS UP AND NONE OF IT STICKS TO THE COUNTY. OKAY. AND THAT WAS, PEOPLE ASK US HOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ASK US HOW WE DID THAT. THE POINT WAS, LIKE MANY FOLKS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWN THERE. AND IT WAS A, IT WAS SORT OF A HIGH RISK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUILDING THIS REALLY FANCY SHOPPING CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A HILLY WOODED AREA, BACKWOODS, IF YOU WILL. UM, SO, AND WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED, IT'S BEEN GOING DOWNHILL. DOWNHILL. SO PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BEGGING, TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE OLD ROOFS BUSINESS AND THE ROOFS KIND OF GO TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO, SO THERE'S 127 UNITS. THIS IS NOT A BIG NEIGHBORHOOD. TALKED TO THIS LADY RIGHT HERE. SHE LIVES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH 3000 HOMES. OKAY. UH, THERE, I'VE GOT ONE IN, ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. OH, YOU ALL GOT, YOU GOT, UH, COVENTRY TOO. THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE. THAT'S WHAT'S ANOTHER ONE. AND YOU'VE GOT, UH, AND IN MY, MY DISTRICT, I GOT ONE EASY 600 AND WE GOT ANOTHER ONE DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S GOING OVER 600 I THINK SOON. NOT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT IN THE MUNICIPALITY. SO I'M WONDERING, I DIDN'T KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE 127 UNITS, IS THAT REALLY GONNA PROVIDE THAT MUCH IMPETUS TO THE, TO THE SAVING OF THE MARQUEE? BUT IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING, THIS IS GONNA GO DOWN THE TUBE. OKAY. WE JUST, WE CAN SEE IT MARCHING AND, AND WE HAVE, WE'VE APPROVED NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE STREET, WE'VE MOVED NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET MORE BUSINESS SO WE CAN SAVE THE MARQUEE AND MAYBE DRAW SOME OF IT BACK. AND I AGREE BY THE COMMENT, NO RESTAURANTS, NO, UH, GROCERY STORES, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD BUILD THE TAJ MAHAL, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FOOD AND THE STUFF TO GO WITH IT, I MEAN YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A TOURIST ATTRACTION. AND THE MARQUEE IS NOT A TOURIST ATTRACTION. UM, THE 380, 300 80,000 TO FOUR 50, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? OKAY. SO I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT IN YORK COUNTY, THAT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, UH, STANLEY HOMES JUST GOT CELESTIAL WAY GOING UP THERE, 44 HOMES NEXT TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, [03:25:01] I, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAD BEEN LIVING IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY FOR A WHILE, YOU, YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU SEE THIS, AND I WALKED IN AND THERE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, GOD, GREAT BIG STEPS. IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY BIG ROOFS, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. I THINK THE CHEAPEST HOME I SAW IN THERE WAS LIKE 630. NOW THEY'RE OVER $700,000 AND, AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE CHEAPER. THEY'RE GONNA GO UP. UH, WE LOOKED AT, WE SEE WHAT GOES ON AT SMITH FARMS. THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE $350,000 HOMES. THEY'RE NOW, THERE'S NOT A HOUSE IN THERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND THEY STARTED TELLING THERE'S NOT A HOUSE AND THEY'RE UNDER 550,000 AND MANY OF THEM ARE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. SO, SO THIS IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. RIGHT. OKAY. AND MY CONCERN IS, IF WE DON'T PROVIDE SOME SORT OF MEANS WHERE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THE HOUSES TO MOVE IN THERE, THEN THE STATE'S GONNA PROBABLY COME DOWN AND JAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS. ALRIGHT. UM, AND FINALLY THE THOUGHT HERE IS, UM, THIS IS NOT OUR PROPERTY. OKAY? SOMEBODY WANTS TO SELL IT. YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN THE BUSINESSES. AND I'M NOT GONNA DICTATE, I'M NOT GONNA DICTATE THE BUSINESS AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A NUCLEAR REACTOR OR ANOTHER CAR WASH. BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS A, YOU'RE STEPPING OUT ON THIS, OKAY. AND, UM, APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT IN YOUR COUNTY. I THINK THIS IS GONNA FIT, I THINK THIS, YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY GONE TO A, AND THANKS THE CHAIRMAN FOR ALL THE DETAIL. I MEAN, HE WAS, HE'S RINGING, RINGING HIS HANDS ON THIS. YOU REALLY DID A, YOU KNOW, YEOMAN'S WORK HERE AND, AND, AND WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND TALKING TO 'EM. SO, UH, THAT, THAT MADE IT ACTUALLY EASIER TO, TO GO THROUGH. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INPUTS TONIGHT BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHICH WAY THIS I WAS GONNA GO WITH THIS. OKAY. BUT I, I THINK I'LL PROBABLY END UP SUPPORTING IT. SO THANK YOU MR. ROLL. WELL, I THINK MOST OF MY COMMENTS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE QUESTION, MR. SHE BROUGHT UP OR ORIGINALLY ABOUT THE, THE 80 NUMBER. IS THAT, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? CORRECT. I THINK WE STILL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT 80 REPRESENTS 68% OF THE 117 HOMES. AND I THINK THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE AT A LEVEL THAT STILL PROVIDES INCENTIVE FOR THE, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE, THE OPENING OF THE SHEETS AND THE AR AND THE ARBY'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENOUGH HOMES BUILT YET. SO THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT LOWER, YOU KNOW, UH, 25% TO 40% RANGE. IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. UM, AND, AND I, AND BASED ON TIMEFRAMES, I THINK WE'RE, LOOK YOU MENTIONED IT'S GONNA TAKE A 30 MONTHS, SO, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET, UH, WHAT, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET THE, UM, SHEETS, OP DOORS, DOORS OPEN. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF SITE WORK DONE, A LOT OF WORK NEED TO DO ON THE, ON THE SITE, ON THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF BEFORE THEY START BILLING HOMES. SO, UH, THERE'S A TIMEFRAME IN THERE THAT, THAT I THINK FITS A LESS, A LESSER NUMBER OF, OF HOMES AT LOWER THAN THAT 80. AND I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AND, AND, AND GO GOING WITH THAT. I THINK THEY SHOULD GET THE STORES OPEN FIRST. OH, WE, GOOD QUESTION, STEVE, FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. OKAY. SO BASED ON WHAT I HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER OF STANLEY HOMES, PARTICULARLY STANLEY HOMES, THAT WAS THE ONES DRIVING THE 80. YEP. OKAY. SO THE BUILDER GOT THE LOTS, HE'S GONNA SELL THE LOTS. AND THE 80 NUMBER HAD, ACTUALLY, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THIS WAS DRIVEN BY THE FINANCING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE STANLEY HOMES. STANLEY HOMES IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COM A BIG COMPANY. AND THEY, THEY GOT DEVELOPMENTS EVERYWHERE. SO THAT 80, I MEAN, SO WE MESS WITH THE 80. THEY'VE GOTTA MESS WITH IT IF THEY OR THEY CAN'T GET THEIR FINANCING. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE WHOLE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THIS. SO, SO IT'S NOT US JUST PICKING 40 AND SAYING THAT'S IT. HE CAN'T GET FINANCING FOR FINANCING THE WHOLE PROJECT, THEN YOU GOT ANOTHER PROBLEM. AND THAT TELLS ME THEY'RE NOT COMPETENT, THAT THOSE RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT WILL GET OPENED UP IN A TIMELY MANNER. BUT IT'S NOT STANLEY HOMES, IT'S THE BANK, IT'S THE BANKING, IT'S THE DEFINED, SOMEBODY'S NOT COMPETENT. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IF THEY, THEY'RE NOT CONFIDENT, WHY ARE WE CONFIDENT? WELL, IT'S JUST, I'M LOOKING AT IT JUST AS THE WAY YOU DO FI YOU GOTTA DO FINANCING FOR THIS FOR A LARGE, A LARGE PROJECT. I MEAN, I DON'T, THEY CAN COME BACK TO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, ASK THEM ABOUT IT, CLARIFY. BUT THE, FOR US, WE COULD SAY 40 AND THEN THEY CAN'T GET FINANCING. THEN WE JUST SHOT THE, THE PROJECT. WE JUST SHOT THE PROJECT DOWN. I, I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED WITH WHAT I HEARD FROM THE, THE CHIEF REPRESENTATIVE AND THE, A REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THEIR ENTHUSIASM TO COME INTO THE COUNTY, WHICH CHIEF COME DOWN. AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THAT TONIGHT, YES. BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN AROUND CORPORATE AMERICA LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT OVERNIGHT A DECISION COMMITTEE AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL WILL GO, NO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WALK AWAY FROM THAT. I, I HAVE SEEN CORPORATE AMERICA, IN MY EXPERIENCE OF PROJECTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON, WALK AWAY FROM MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT BECAUSE IT MADE, UH, A [03:30:01] FINANCIAL INCENTIVE AT, AT THAT MOMENT. SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN? SO, SO AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT INCENTIVES, INCOMPETENCE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN AND WE GOTTA BUILD THAT INTO THE PROJECT. SO, SO WOULD YOU, I MEAN, THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER THEN IS TO ME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NUMBER'S NOT IMPORTANT. WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE BUSINESS COMPONENT GO IN FIRST. YES. YEAH. BUT THE ONLY, THE, THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE TO WORK AGAINST THAT IS, IS THE MANAGE AND THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAVE, THAT THE LIMIT OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES CAN BE BUILT BEFORE THE BUSINESS OPENS UP. NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER MECHANISM WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. WELL, TWO, THERE'S TWO BUSINESSES HERE. WE'RE TALKING BUSINESS. THE BUSINESS OF BUSINESS AND THE RESIDENTIAL. RESIDENTIAL. I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO SAY, OKAY, I'LL BUILD YOUR PLATFORM FIRST. THEN YOU GET THE, YOU GET 'EM IN HERE, BUT I GOTTA GET THE HOMES GOING. SO HOW DOES HE DO THAT? IF YOU CAN'T GET FINANCING AND THEY CAN GET THE HOMES GOING, BUT AT, BUT I 80 IS TOO HIGH OF A NUMBER. WELL THEN TO BE ABLE TO BUILD 80 HOMES BEFORE THE BUSINESSES OPEN UP, BECAUSE THAT PUTS THEM AT, I BELIEVE THAT PUTS 'EM AT A LEVEL WHERE I BELIEVE SO THEY LOSE INCENTIVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK TO MAKE SURE THE BUSINESSES OPEN FIRST. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD, WE CAN'T DICTATE THAT AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE TO. WE CAN'T DICTATE YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE BUSINESSES BEFORE YOU BUILD YOUR FIRST HOME. WE CAN'T DO, WE CAN'T DO THAT UN AND UNDERSTAND AND UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHAT OTHER MECHANISMS DO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE INCENTIVE IS THERE TO GET THE BUSINESS OPEN UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OTHER THAN THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT, LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS DISCUSSION BEFORE DEVELOP UP IN YOUR DISTRICT BEFORE I THINK HERE'S THE ONE UP BEFORE , RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S A TRAGEDY. SO THEY, WE HAD A BUSINESS COMPONENT THAT WAS AROUND BEHIND ARBY'S THERE THAT FOR THEY, THEY NEVER BUILT THE OR NEVER GOT TO IT, RIGHT? WE WAVED IT OFF. YEAH. SO THEY BUILT THE APARTMENTS, ALRIGHT. AND NOW WE'VE GOT PUBLIX AND SHEETS GOING IN THERE THAT CAME IN MUCH YEARS LATER. RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SHEETS, BUT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE. I MEAN, WE SAT IN THIS ROOM AND, AND HEARD FROM THE, THE CORPORATE REPRESENTATIVES, BUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, HOW MANY, HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? AND WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE? SO I IT'S THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MONEY AGAIN, WE, THERE, THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THIS COUNTY THAT WERE BASED ON UPON PROMISES THAT WERE NEVER KEPT. AND WE, AND THE COUNTY HAS ENDED UP FOOTING THE BILL BECAUSE THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE WHETHER PROPOSED OR PROMISE OUT OF THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED. AND IT COST THE COUNTY MORE MONEY FOR THOSE THINGS TO EXIST TODAY. AND WE DON'T NEED TO REPLICATE THAT HERE. WELL, YOU NEED TO GIVE, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T WANNA SHOOT THE PROJECT IN THE FOOT HERE. NO. BY US ARBITRARILY PICKING A NUMBER. I MEAN, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU KNOW AND ACTS A GOOD NUMBER. UNLESS HE STANDS UP HERE AND TELLS US HE CAN, HE CAN HAVE SOMETHING LESS THAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'D BE ABLE TO DO. 'CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, KILL MAYBE VERY LIKELY KILL THE PROJECT. LET ME, UH, AHEAD LET'S FINISH THE DISCUSSION AND COME BACK. I'VE GOT A SOLUTION OR SUGGESTION. OKAY. OKAY. WAYNE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. I I WANNA HEAR FROM WAYNE FIRST. YEAH, I HAVE A SUGGESTION TOO, BUT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY, UH, WANT TO COMMEND DOUG, OUR CHAIRMAN. UM, YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THE HALF OF THE TIME THAT HE'S PUT IN TO GETTING THE INFORMATION THAT HE'S GOTTEN. HE SECURED THE PROFFERS, WHICH WEREN'T SECURED. HE'S WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER. HE'S WORKED WITH ARBY'S, HE'S WORKED WITH SHEETS. I MEAN, HE'S GONE SO FAR ABOVE AND BEYOND. UM, I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. I MEAN, I WORK FULL-TIME. FORTUNATELY HE'S RETIRED, BUT HE'S NOT REALLY RETIRED ANYMORE. UH, BUT HE PUTS HUNDREDS OF HOURS INTO THIS STUFF. SO I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE HARD WORK THAT HE'S PUT INTO THIS PROJECT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, RIGHT. IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE IT RIGHT. SO I WANT THAT TO BE KNOWN RIGHT OFF THE BAT FOR ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS OUT THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. UM, I TOO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT NOT GETTING DONE BECAUSE MY DISTRICT IS SITTING THERE WAITING ON A PUBLIX THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STARTED A LONG TIME AGO. NOW PART OF THAT IS WE'VE GOT SOME RARE BAT THAT'S LIVING UP IN THE WOODS AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET THE BAT OUT OF THE WOODS. OKAY? SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM, UM, EARL'S OFFICE IS THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO SOME, UH, SITE WORK IN THE FALL, BUT THEY'VE GOTTA WAIT FOR THIS CRAZY BAT TO GET OUTTA HERE. SO, UM, BUT I DO HAVE A QUITE, I DO HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THIS ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE, STEVEN. UM, AND IT WOULD BE TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY DON'T GET THEIR SITE PLAN TO START DOING THE RESIDENTIAL UNTIL THEY GET THE SITE PLAN COM, UH, COMMITTED AND APPROVED ON THE COMMERCIAL. [03:35:02] THAT WOULD BE MY, THAT WOULD BE MY ASK. YOU GET THAT SITE PLAN DONE FOR THOSE TWO PADS. YES. AND YOU'RE FREE TO GO. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO. BUT THAT HAS TO BE DONE FIRST OR SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND YOU DON'T GET THE RESIDENTIAL DONE. YOU DON'T GET IT APPROVED UNTIL THOSE SITE PLANS. SO THOSE COMMERCIAL SITES ARE DONE AND READY TO GO. THAT WOULD BE MY ASK. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. GOOD IDEA. OKAY. SO THAT HOLDS YOU GUYS YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A TOWNHOUSE UNTIL ARBY'S AND SHEETS IS ABLE TO GET GOING. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION ON THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE SAID. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME, PROBABLY SOME MISUNDERSTANDING, CONFUSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED THIS DOWN. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DENIED THIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TONIGHT. DOUG WORKED HIS BUTT OFF TO SECURE THESE PROFFERS AND TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WAS WAY BEFORE ALL THE WORK THAT DOUG AND EARL'S TEAM AND THE PLANNING TEAM DID TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TONIGHT. SO I WANT YOU GUYS JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES. I I'M SITTING HERE THINKING I'M WRITING DOWN POSITIVES, OKAY? I'VE HEARD IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER TONIGHT. AFFORDABLE LIVING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NUMBER ONE ON PEOPLE'S LIST RIGHT NOW IN YORK COUNTY. THIS DOES THAT. OKAY? NUMBER TWO, IT'S GOTTA BE COMMERCIAL READY. IF WE DO WHAT WE JUST ASK, THAT'S NUMBER TWO. THAT'S READY TO GO. NUMBER THREE, THE HISTORICAL MARKER AND THE VALUE OF THE HISTORY OF THIS LAND THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE. AND PROFFERED IN NUMBER FOUR. PEOPLE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT GREEN SPACE, IT'S ALREADY IN THERE. NUMBER FIVE, IT BRINGS IN BUSINESS REVENUE. IF YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ME BARK ABOUT THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, IT'S ABOUT BRINGING GOOD BUSINESS OF YORK COUNTY TO HELP TAKE THE TAX BURDEN OFF OF THE TAXPAYERS. THESE TWO BUSINESSES ARE GONNA HELP IN THAT REGARD. THEY WILL, THEY'LL BE SUCCESSFUL THERE. BECAUSE IF YOU RUN UP AND DOWN 64, THERE IS NO GAS STATION, NO FAST FOOD THERE. NOWHERE CLOSE. AND I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE GONNA BE LOADED UP IN THERE ALL THE TIME WITH PEOPLE TRAVELING THROUGH HERE. SIX, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT. THE PROFFERS WERE NEGOTIATED. THAT'S DONE. IT'S A DONE DEAL. A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT DOUG ASKED FOR THESE GUYS CAME BACK AND SAID, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, MOST PEOPLE THAT SPOKE, I, I WROTE NOTES ON MOST PEOPLE, PROBABLY 70 TO 80% SAYS IT'S A POSITIVE IMPACT FOR THAT AREA. AND NUMBER EIGHT, THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS SHOT DOWN SOME YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENTS. AND THESE GUYS CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO APARTMENTS. WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT YOU ASK US TO DO. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT 'CAUSE I WOULD'VE VOTED AGAINST APARTMENTS, BUT I'LL VOTE FOR CONDOMINIUMS OR TOWNHOUSES BECAUSE PEOPLE OWN 'EM AND THEN THEY CARE ABOUT 'EM. APARTMENTS, PEOPLE DON'T OWN, THEY RENT, THEY TRASH 'EM. AND, AND THEY BECOME ALIGHT TO OUR COUNTY. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE TOWNHOUSE, UH, CONCEPT. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO CLEAN UP THAT AREA. I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD THERE. I THINK PEOPLE CAN AFFORD BEING THERE AND IT'S GONNA BRING GOOD BUSINESS TO THERE. SO, ALRIGHT, LET ME TALK ABOUT THE NEGATIVES SCHOOL, EVERYBODY. WELL, AS, AS WE HEARD MR. KENNEDY SAY TONIGHT, EVERYBODY COMES TO YORK COUNTY FOR SCHOOLS. AND SO THAT IS ALWAYS ON OUR MINDS, OKAY, WE'VE GOT THIS REFERENDUM THAT WE PUT IT OUT TO THE VOTERS COMING UP HERE TO VOTE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR SCHOOLS. WHETHER THE VOTERS WANT TO SAY YES OR NO, THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE VOTERS. IF THEY SAY NO, WE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CIP COMING UP. AS TOM SAID, WE, WE'VE GOT A 30 $40 MILLION SCHOOL PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE BUILT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE ARE STILL GONNA HAVE THAT ISSUE, IRRESPECTIVE OF 47 STUDENTS THAT ARE GONNA LOAD UP ONE OF THESE SCHOOLS OR TWO OF THESE SCHOOLS. UM, THE SECOND THING IS, IS TRAFFIC. I'VE HEARD THAT TONIGHT, TRAFFIC, UM, VO T'S GONNA REGULATE THAT TO SOME DEGREE. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE ROADS GET WIDER. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE TURN SIGNALS IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA DO ALL THAT STUFF. AND THESE GUYS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT UNLESS THEY GO BY VDOT STANDARDS. SO THAT'S REALLY UP TO VDOT. IT'S NOT UP TO THESE GUYS TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO DO THEIR TRAFFIC. THAT'S SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR PURVIEW. UM, THAT'S TO ME, UM, REALLY TO ME THERE'S THE BALANCE. AND I SEE WAY MORE POSITIVES THAN I DO THE NEGATIVES. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT TALKED ABOUT TRASH AND NOISE AND LIGHTS AND THAT'S GONNA COME WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT JUST IS. AND SO I THINK THAT TO ME IS KIND OF ON A BUBBLE FOR ME. UM, AND THEN I'VE HEARD SOME [03:40:01] PEOPLE TONIGHT SAY WE NEED TO TABLE IT AND GET MORE INFORMATION. UM, I I THINK DOUG HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, ANALYSIS PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS IF WE KEEP ON GOING. I REALLY DO. YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES. DOUG AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES. I'M SURE ALL THESE OTHER GUYS, WE'VE TALKED AND TALKED AND TALKED. DOUG CLEARED THESE NUMBERS OUT. ARE THEY PERFECT? NO, THEY'RE NEVER PERFECT. BUT I THINK HE'S DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF GETTING US THE BEST NUMBERS IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO THIS. SO, UM, I I'M NOT SURE I'M WILLING TO WAIT AND TRY TO GET ANY MORE NUMBERS. UH, I THINK THESE GUYS HAVE DONE, THEY'VE GONE OVER AND ABOVE THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE ASKED HIM AS FAR AS PROFFERS AND I, I FEEL LIKE MORE PEOPLE ARE POSITIVE ON THIS AND NOT NEGATIVE. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. WELL, THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS. I'M NOT SURE THAT I'D EARNED ALL OF THEM. UM, I THINK YOU DO. I I'M GONNA START A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY HERE. MARQUES SHOPPING CENTER, AND YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT WE SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSED ON MARQUEE AND IMPROVING THAT AND MAKING THE BUSINESSES WORK THERE. UM, WE HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT OWNER THAT WENT THROUGH BANKRUPTCY. IT WAS BOUGHT BY A GENTLEMAN OUT OF DALLAS. HE IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WORK WITH. FOUNDATION CHURCH LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY. UM, THERE'S A SAM SAM'S CLUB SET ASIDE IN MARQUEE SHOPPING CENTER. THAT'S RIGHT. AND NEVER BUILT. SO THERE WAS A GROCERY STORE. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME ISSUE. DO YOU HAVE AN OWNER THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH AND, UM, AND KNOW THAT YOUR BUSINESS AND YOUR INVESTMENT IS GONNA BE PROTECTED? AND WE'VE, WE HAVE A CHALLENGE THERE. UM, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY TAXES FROM THOSE BUSINESSES IN MARQUEE, NOR DO WE OWE ANYTHING ON THE BONDS. THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SET UP. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, THEY PAY ALSO THE, UH, BUT THEY PAY FOR THE COPS IN THE, IN THE, THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE. BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THE TAX REVENUE FROM SALES GOES BACK TO THE BONDS. MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DECISION MAKING REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR THAT'S RIGHT. LOCATION, MARQUES DEVELOPMENT. AND IN 20 YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A RESTAURANT AND A GAS STATION ON THE SITE OF THE MARQUEE. THEY HAVE IN THEIR APPROVED PLOT PLAN, THEY HAVE A SITE FOR A GAS STATION, THEY HAVE A SITE FOR A FAST FOOD. THEY NEVER DID IT FOR 20 YEARS. IT'S JUST BEEN IGNORED. SO YOU FINALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHERE I'M HEADED. IT'S HEARTBREAKING AND DISAPPOINTING, BUT IT'S OUTTA THE BOARD'S CONTROL. SO WE CAN START TO DO THINGS THAT IMPROVE THAT AREA. BUT I CANNOT NECESSARILY IMPROVE MARQUIS, NOT UNTIL I GET A CERTAIN OWNER, OWNER, THE NAME OF SEAN TODD OUTTA THERE, , LEMME GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE. AND, AND LEE REFERRED TO IT TONIGHT, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT MARQUEE AND MARQUEE CROSSING FOR HOURS, . AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I ATTENDED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS AND LISTENED TO THAT. UH, THE ONLY LAND REMAINING IN YORK COUNTY THAT HAS A MIXED USE OVERLAY IS THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. MM-HMM . MARQUEE CROSSING AND MARQUEE SHOPPING CENTER. MM-HMM . SO THIS APPLICATION IS TECHNICALLY A REZONING APPLICATION, UH, FROM EO TO MIXED USE, BUT IT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS UNUSUAL, BUT IT, THAT IS THE CASE, BUT IT MUST GENERATE REVENUE. AND MARK'S RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED ON I NEED TO SEE THE REVENUE BEFORE I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE FOCUS CERTAINLY THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. WITHOUT THOSE ASSOCIATED BUSINESSES AS IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION, THERE WOULD BE NO RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT. IT IS, IT IS APPROVED TODAY FOR EO. WE COULD HAVE THAT RESTAURANT AND THAT GAS STATION START UP TOMORROW. THEY HAVE APPROVAL. WHAT ISN'T APPROVED IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ADD RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO GET THOSE BUSINESSES STARTED IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE BACKBONE OF A HOUSING UNIT THAT CAN DO THE UNDERGROUND, CAN DO THE ROADS, CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FROM A STANDALONE BUSINESS. THEY JUST DO NOT HAVE THE HORSEPOWER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I WOULD SAY THIS BOARD HAS LISTENED EXTENSIVELY AND WE'VE ASKED FOR THE INDEPENDENT STUDIES. WE'VE ASKED FOR THE INDEPENDENT FISCAL REVIEW, THE DEVELOPER, LET'S BE CLEAR. I THERE'S NO, SO THERE'S A TERM I REACTED TO, WHICH IS NEGOTIATE. THE DEVELOPER LISTENED TO US, HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT FISCAL STUDY READ, AND HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS A GAP TO [03:45:01] FILL AND HE VOLUNTEERED IT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. MM-HMM . WE HAVE AN $850,000 PROFFER MM-HMM . OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. UM, AND IT'S ASSUMED THAT THE REVENUE KICKS IN BY THEN, THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE A BUSINESS IN PLACE, AND THAT THAT PROFFER ACTUALLY REDUCES IF HE GETS THOSE BUSINESSES UP AND RUNNING A YEAR EARLY OR TWO YEARS EARLY. HIS INCENTIVE, IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR INCENTIVE TO GET MOVING ON THAT DEVELOPMENT AND ON THOSE, ON THOSE TWO, UH, LAND-BASED SITES THAT'S BUILT IN MM-HMM . AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. MM-HMM . I THINK FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT DRIVES US TO BE SUCCESSFUL. FOR THIS ONE. WE'VE DONE 11 PDUS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY'VE ALL FAILED. I WANT THIS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL ONE. I THINK WE'VE GOT IT. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT BUSINESSES IN PLACE. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE COMMITMENT FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS. YOU KNOW WHAT, TONIGHT I WAS JUST TAKING A TALLY AS WE WENT THROUGH THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD, AND IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT TWO TO ONE YESES TO NOS ON THE EMAILS WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS. IT'S BEEN THE OPPOSITE. IT'S BEEN PROBABLY TWO TO ONE NOS OVER YESES. UM, BUT IT'S A PRETTY SMALL FRACTION. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DESPITE 17 PEOPLE COMING OUT TONIGHT, I I THANK YOU. I THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT AND IT'S VALUED INPUT AND WE LISTEN TO IT, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEHIND THE SCENES ON THIS PROJECT THAN NECESSARILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE HERE. MY CONCLUSIONS, I'VE LISTENED TO THE APPLICANT, I'VE REVIEWED THESE PROPOSALS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES PROCESS OF LISTENING AND REVIEWING BEGAN IN 2022 , WHEN I WAS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, MRS. HOWELL REFERRED TO THAT MEETING. MARTY JOHNS AND MYSELF AS A PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND MYSELF AS A NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONER, SAT DOWN WITH, UH, WITH MR. GONER AND HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT. AND YES, I DID SAY TO HIM, WHERE'S THE COMMERCIAL? AND WALKED OUTTA THE ROOM. AND HE COMPLAINED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WAS BEING TOO HARD ON HIM. WELL, HE WAS, HE WAS. WE NEEDED TO SEE A COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THIS TO MAKE THE REVENUE WORK. AND YOU'VE SEEN IT TONIGHT GENERATE $890,000 A YEAR OF REVENUE, BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. 470,000 OF THAT MONEY IS FROM THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY COMING IN FROM TAX REVENUE TO JUSTIFY THE HOUSING. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL. I'VE MADE IT WORTHWHILE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SEE MY LOGIC. UM, I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. I DO HAVE A, AN ISSUE WITH THE LINKAGE OF THE COS. I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WAYNE PROJECTED, IF I READ RESOLUTION ONE C TODAY, UH, IT SAYS THE FINAL CERTIFICATES OF OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE TOWNHOUSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UH, BEING ALLOWED ON ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE SITE, UM, PLAN AND APPROVAL AND FOUNDATION POURED ON THE COMMERCIAL UNITS. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LANGUAGE. I WOULD LIKE TO LINK, IF WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH THE 80, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN APPROVED AND THE FOUNDATION POURED FOR BOTH UNITS, FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU START, BEFORE YOU START THE HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN BEFORE YOU GO PAST 80. OH. BEFORE YOU GO PAST 80. OKAY. SO YOU, BUT NO, THE PADS NEED TO BE DONE FRONT AND I THINK THE DEVELOPER TOOK CO COMMERCIALS RIGHT AWAY. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT UP FRONT. SO ONE ONE C RIGHT NOW SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. NO, HE HAS TO. HE ONLY HAS TO START. NO, IT HAS TO BE DONE, IN MY OPINION. AND, AND SO WE NEED TO WORK THAT RESOLUTION. YEAH. THAT PARTICULAR ONE TO COME BACK UP AND SEE IF HE CAN TELL US HE CAN DO THAT. I MEAN, IF I'M NOT, DON'T, LET'S GET IT DONE TONIGHT. PLEASE WANT SHOOT THIS THING DOWN. OKAY. I, I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME BACK UP HERE, BUT I, I WOULD WANNA SEE SITE PLAN APPROVED AND FOUNDATION POURED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD BEYOND 80. YEAH. AND, AND, UH, TO NOT ONLY AGREE WITH THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR DREWRY ASK SPECIFICALLY THAT THE SITE PLANS WOULD BE APPROVED ON THE COMMERCIAL YES. PRIOR TO THE SITE PLANS BEING ISSUED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. AND WE WILL HAVE POURED A PAD RIGHT NOW IT SAYS ON ONE OR THE OTHER. I CAN AGREE TO POUR ON BOTH. I SAID BOTH PRIOR TO IT. I'M HAPPY TO AGREE TO THAT. OKAY. WELL, YOURS, YOURS AND YOURS DOESN'T EVEN NEED THE 80, BUT WE JUST DECIDED DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE 80 THAT JUST GIVES THE BILL OR SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WELL, JUST, JUST CORRECT. JUST TO BE SURE THOUGH, THAT, THAT THE SITE PLAN IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT IT IS NOT LEGALLY BIND. AND THAT WILL, WILL, WILL, UH, REQUIRE ANYBODY TO DO ANY BUILDING THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE PLAN, WE'VE ASKED SITE PLAN, SUBMIT IT AND, AND THEN GET PULLED AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENS. WHICH IS WHY [03:50:01] I SAID YOU HAD TO HAVE THE CONCRETE PULL THE PAD AND YOU PULL THE PAD AND YOU GO, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT JUST, IT'S JUST A COST PER PAD. WE JUST WALK AWAY FROM YOU CAN'T STILL, YOU CAN'T BUILD THE HOMES. RIGHT. YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU CAN PULL, YOU CAN PULL THE PAD AND HAVE A SITE PLAN APPROVED, CHECK THAT BOX OFF, AND THEN YOU START BUILDING HOMES AND THEN WE, WE NEVER SEE THE COMMERCIAL GET BUILT UP. GOTCHA. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. CAN YOU POUR THE PAD FOR THE COMMERCIAL COMMERCIAL AND BUILD IT? WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE ONES TO BUILD IT. AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IS THAT THE NATIONAL RETAILER IS GONNA BUILD THEIR OWN BUILDING. RIGHT. YOU JUST GOTTA, SO, SO I CAN ADMIT TO YOU THAT I WILL INVEST, IT'S GONNA COST US UPWARD OF $400,000 TO INVEST IN THE CIVIL ENGINEERING TO DELIVER SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT. MM-HMM . I WILL PERSONALLY INVEST IN THOSE DOLLARS AND I'LL AGREE THAT I WILL NOT ONLY DO THAT AND GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BUT I'LL ALSO BUILD THOSE PADS PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. I'M, YEAH. AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S SIGNIFICANT IN THE GAME, IF IT'S NOT SHEETS, IT'LL BE SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT THE WILL BE THERE. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. YES. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WALK AWAY FROM THAT SIGNIFICANT SKIN IN THE GAME. YEAH, NO, NO, I KNOW. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ? SO THERE IS A, UM, AN R DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT HAS, THIS IS THE ONE IN PAPER COPY. YEAH. THAT HAS, AND IT'S NOT, THE CHANGES ARE NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT FROM WHAT'S IN THE THING, BUT IT WAS, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN ALSO INCLUDING ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE ON THE PARKING. YES. I GUESS. UM, AND THE HISTORICAL MARKER, I HAD TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT THE, SO THE PARKING'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF ACCORDING TO THEIR, THEIR PLAN ARISE PLAN. THAT'S CORRECT. IN, UH, SECTION ONE E ON, UH, RESIDENTIAL TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, I'VE ADDED ONE WORD, ONE LINE AT THE END. NOTWITHSTANDING THE ABOVE, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL CONTAIN A MINIMUM OF 250 PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. I'VE HEARD YOU'VE ALREADY THAT AND THEN SOME 3 43, THERE'S 343. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE AGREED. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT THREE 40 DO IN THERE. I I IS THAT HE SAID 3 43. SO PUT 3 43 IN THERE. WELL, I, I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. 3, 3 43. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN UNDER SECTION FIVE, WE'VE ADDED A NEW ONE. AND THIS, UH, I THINK IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S, UM, IT'S FIVE D AND IT'S ANY HISTORICAL MARKER CONSTRUCTED SHALL MEET ANY REQUIREMENTS OF THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES. SO THERE MAY BE SOME REQUIREMENTS SET ASIDE BY THE STATE THAT ARE BINDING HERE, THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNTY. SO YOU'LL NEED TO GO AND CHECK THAT. SURE. BUT YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BENCH IN THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS, I HEARD SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT A BENCH HISTORICAL MARKER. HISTORICAL MARKER. THERE WAS A BENCH OR SOMETHING WITH IT. YEAH. AND WORK WITH CIVIL WAR TRAILS INC. TO DESIGN ALL THAT. WHAT ABOUT, SO WHERE'S ALL THIS PAD STUFF? WELL, I HAVE SOME PROPOSED, I HAD SOME SUGGESTED LANGUAGE FOR THAT. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, UM, IT'S GOTTA BE IN ONE SECTION C, RIGHT? MM-HMM . IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD READ NO RESIDENT. UH, SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU WANT TO, UM, MAKE IT SO THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CANNOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THE SITE PLANS CAN'T BE RELEASED FOR THE, IT CAN BE APPROVED BUT NOT RELEASED. OKAY. SO IN THAT, RIGHT, SO WHAT I SAID WAS NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS MAY BE BUILT UNTIL A SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED. EITHER, EITHER FOR OR INCLUDING COMMERCIAL USES IN LAND BAY A AND AT LEAST ONE COMMERCIAL USE IN LAND BASE C HE SAID HE WOULD DO BOTH. AND CONCRETE PORT, HE SAID HE WOULD DO BOTH. RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S TWO RIGHT NOW THERE'S TWO SET ASIDE IN LAND BASE C AND ONE IN LAND BAY A. SO THEY ONLY WANNA DO THE ONE IN C OR HE'LL DO BOTH. YOU WANT 'EM BOTH SHEETS AND ARBY'S, RIGHT? THAT'S THE TWO I WAS TALKING. AND THERE ONE'S IN A AND ONE'S IN C, RIGHT? YES. ONE IN ONE. THE PLAN SHOWS TWO UNITS IN. YEAH, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A BUYER YET. THERE TWO OUT PARCELS IN C, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE, SO IT'LL ALL JUST BE ONE ONE IN EACH. YEAH. RIGHT. THE PARCEL. AND THEN YOU ALSO WANT IT, UM, CONCRETE POURED. YES. THAT'S THE PAD. HE AGREED TO DO THAT. THE PAD. YEAH. SO COMMERCIAL USE, UH, IN NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS MAY BE BUILT UNTIL A SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND PAD POURED. UM, AND PAD COMPLETED A FOUNDATION POURED FOR A, FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN LAND BAY A AND AT LEAST ONE COMMERCIAL USE IN LAND BAY C. YEAH. RIGHT? YEAH. STANLEY HOMES WOULD BE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. YEAH. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD OFFER, [03:55:01] AND NOT TO FURTHER COMPLICATE THIS, IS THERE'S GETTING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THEN THERE'S GETTING BUILDING PERMITS. YES. SO WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IS HOLD UP THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL WHILE I'M OUT THERE DIGGING, TRYING TO PUT IN A PAD. BUT YOU COULD SAY YOU WOULDN'T ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT NO. UNTIL, UNTIL THAT STUFF WAS IN PLACE. NO, I DON'T THINK WE, I THINK WE CAN GET THE BUILDING PERMIT STUFF CONTINUING GOING. WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY READY TO BUILD. RIGHT. WE WANNA GET THEM PERMITS OUT. YEAH. SO THE PAD DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT A HOME BUILD. NOT NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE HOME. OH, OH, OH. I DON'T WANT US TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL. WE GET OUT THERE, START DOING WORK ON THE ROADS. WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN A PAD FOR ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL USERS AND THEY CAN'T GET ISSUED THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. I SEE. WHAT'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT'S BEING HELD, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHAT SHOULD, WHAT IT SHOULD BE TIED TO IS A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT. SUCH THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR APPROVALS AND GET ALL TEED UP. YEAH. THEY JUST CAN'T START GOING VERTICAL UNTIL I'VE DONE MY STUFF. I'M OKAY WITH THAT FOR SURE. YEAH. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. DOES THAT WORK? MAKE IT, MAKE IT, YEAH. WELL SAID. INSTEAD OF USING, INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD BUILT CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. BUILDING PERMIT. BUILDING PERMIT. NO BUILDING PERMITS MAY BE ISSUED. NO BUILDING PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED, ISSUED UNTIL THE PADS ARE DONE. COMMERCIAL PAD MAY BE ISSUED. BUT THAT DOESN'T PRE PRECLUDE YOU FROM APPLYING, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. NO RESIDENTIAL EITHER WAY. WE RESIDENTIAL RESIDE, NO RESIDENTIAL UNIT BUILDING PERMITS. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'LL BE APPROVED IT UNTIL WE'VE DONE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO RELEASED. YEP. HOWEVER WE WANT TO SAY THAT BUILDING PERMITS MAY BE ISSUED. FOLKS, WHAT YOU'RE WATCHING, THIS IS HOW SAUSAGE IS MADE. NO, NO RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT LAST WEEK. I'M KEEPING QUIET. NO. RESIDENTIAL UNIT BUILDING PERMITS MAY BE ISSUED UNTIL A SITE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED AND FOUNDATION POURED FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN LAND BAY A AND AT LEAST ONE COMMERCIAL USE IN LAND BAY C. CORRECT. YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY JUST WON'T RELEASE THE PERMITS UNTIL THOSE PADS ARE DONE. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. YOU GOT THAT EARL GOT IT. BOARD. HEATHER. HEATHER IS EVERYBODY AGREEMENT? TAKE A MOTION. WE GOT THIS POINT. PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE WHATEVER THAT RES ORDINANCE ARE. WHAT DO YOU NEED, HEATHER? IT COULD BE RR 26. R FROM R. OKAY. AND I WANT TO COME BACK TO MR. RONE. HE SAID HE HAD SOME FURTHER COMMENTS. YEP. OKAY. SO THE MOTION MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TALK DISCUSSION. YES, PLEASE. YOU MADE THE MOTION, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. PROPOSED ORDINANCE 26 DASH 17 R MRS. NOLL, NO, WAIT A SECOND. NO, WAIT A SECOND. WE JUST MADE A MOTION. NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, STEVE? YEAH. SO LET, LET ME TALK ABOUT SOME BRIGHT SPOTS HERE. SO, WHEN THE FIRST VISION FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY CAME TO ME A FEW YEARS BACK, BASICALLY WAS 300. SOME APARTMENTS, NO RETAIL. THAT WAS A NON-STARTER FOR ME FOR VARIETY OF REASONS. UM, AS TIME EVOLVED, I BEGAN WORKING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO MYSELF AND AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT WE DO WANT TO SEE THAT ONE RETAIL TWO, I WANNA SEE HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE, IN THE COUNTY, NOT RENTAL IN, IN THE COUNTY, NOT MORE RENTAL IN THE COUNTY, NOT APARTMENT. SO THEY BROUGHT TO US BASICALLY THE PROPOSAL YOU SEE HERE TODAY, WHICH INCLUDES RETAIL, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAN WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE AROUND THE COUNTY. SO ALL THAT, ALL THAT'S A PLUS. UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY OPEN AND COMMUTATIVE WITH MYSELF IN DISCUSSING WHAT WE WANNA SEE AS A BOARD. WHAT I WANNA SEE HAPPEN HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU NORMALLY SEE WITH ALL, ALL DEVELOPERS. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S PRETTY MUCH, HERE'S WHAT WE WANNA DO, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL YOU HEAR. THIS GROUP HAS BEEN A LOT MORE, UM, AGREEABLE TO, TO WORK TOWARDS AN END. AND I, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A SOLUTION HERE, UM, THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HERE JUST YET. SO BRIGHT SPOTS, AGAIN, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NEED THAT IN THE COUNTY. IT BRINGS IMPORTANT RETAIL TO THE COUNTY AS WELL. AS MR. JURY SAID, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS TO BRING MORE RETAIL, MORE BUSINESS INTO THE COUNTY TO HELP OFFSET THE TAX BURDEN TO RESIDENTIAL THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES OR THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT I'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS UP THERE SAYING THAT THEY NEED, THEY NEED EASY CONVENIENCE TO GAS UM, SIMPLE FOODS TO GET HOLD OF AND IT SOMEPLACE SIT DOWN TO EAT LIKE AN ARBY'S. ALL THAT, ALL THAT IS FANTASTIC. IT MAKES, IT MAKES SOME ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT ARE NEEDED UP THERE A AS WELL. UM, AND I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE DEVELOPER'S, UH, WILLINGNESS TO WANT TO [04:00:01] RECOGNIZE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT PROPERTY. AGAIN, A LOT OF DEVELOPERS WOULD JUST BLOW THAT OFF AS IT'S NOT EVEN CONSIDERATE 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT'S BENEATH THEM IF THEY WORKED HARD, ESPECIALLY WITH MR. ROY HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IS, WHERE IT'S AT, AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN PLACE. AND ALSO THE, THE BIKE TRAIL AND THE WALKING PATH BACK THERE. THAT'S ANOTHER PLUS. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT I HAVE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOW. FIRST OF ALL, THE FINANCIAL ASPECT ASPECT AND THE LACK OF CLARITY WE HAVE ON WHERE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE. ARE WE GOOD? WHAT I HEARD EARLIER WAS YOU'RE LOOKING AT $800,000 ANNUAL REVENUE FROM EVERYTHING INCLUDED, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT THAT'S AGAINST $640,000 OF EXPENSE TO THE COUNTIES. THERE'S ABOUT $160,000 SWING. COULD BE ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, NOT THE NEGATIVE SIDE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S AN NARROW MARGIN. AND IF WE FIND OUT LATER, SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL DETAILS THAT WE DISCOVER ARE INCORRECT, IF WE GET TOO MANY RESIDENTS THAT MOVE IN THERE THAT ARE APPLIC, THAT HAVE APPLICABLE, UH, TAX RELIEF CAN BE APPLIED TO 'EM SUDDENLY, THAT $160 SHRINK AND MAY EVEN DISAPPEAR AND THEN WE'RE BACK, BACK IN THE NEGATIVE. THAT'S THAT $160,000, THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH. SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN I HAVE. AND WITH THE LACK OF CLARITY WE HAVE ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE, THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE. TWO, THE SCHOOL QUESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE. UM, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBERS THAT THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED WERE NUMBERS PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY, BUT WHEN I TALKED TO MY COUNTERPART ON THE SCHOOL BOARD AND, AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE SURPLUS NUMBERS IN, IN THE CAPACITY? HE'S NOT SEEING IT. WHEN WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT WAS THERE ISN'T A LOT OF SURPLUS THERE. THERE IS, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH THE CAPACITY THERE AND WHERE WE DO HAVE SURPLUS, IT'S BECAUSE OF TRAILERS AND THAT'S NOT REALLY IDEAL TEACHING CONDITIONS. AND THE LAST THING IS PARKING. UM, AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER HAS LISTENED TO THAT ISSUE. THEY HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT I SPOKE WITH, UH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY THIS MORNING ABOUT THE PARKING CONCERNS. HE'S LOOKED AT. WHAT HE HAD WAS THE LATEST INFRASTRUCTURE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE IN FRONT OF HIM. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE TOWNHOUSES THERE HAVE A, A SINGLE, UM, PARKING SPOT OF 20 FEET. SO THAT'S BASICALLY ONE VEHICLE. THEY ALSO HAVE A GARAGE, BUT IN REALITY, MOST HOMEOWNERS HAVE MORE THAN ONE VEHICLES. A LOT OF GARAGES TURN INTO STORAGE OR AN EXTRA ROOM AND SO FORTH AND NEVER GETS USED FOR THE VEHICLE. AND OFTENTIMES YOU HAVE VEHICLES THAT ARE TOO BIG FOR THAT, UH, GARAGE ANYWAY. SO YOU GO TO END UP WITH PEOPLE WITH TWO OR MORE CARS IN THESE TOWNHOUSES AND THEY GOTTA PARK SOMEWHERE. AND WE ARE LIVING THAT LIFE NOW IN OTHER PLACES LIKE WHITAKER MILLS AND ELSEWHERE WHERE THE SHERIFF IS O OFTEN CALLED OUT THERE TO ADDRESS A PARKING. SO SOMEBODY'S PARKING ON THE STREET BLOCKING SOMEBODY IN, THEY'RE PARKING ACROSS THE SIDEWALK. YOU CAN'T WALK AROUND THE SIDEWALK AND HE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND THAT IS FRICTION THAT IF WE DON'T FIX TONIGHT, WE DON'T ADDRESS NOW, IT WILL NEVER GET FIXED. IT'S A PERMANENT PIECE OF FRICTION BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND JUST REDO ALL THE PARKING, PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT. AND I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT UPON OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HAVE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG CONCERNS I HAVE. AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. I BELIEVE THERE'S A PATH TO SUCCESS HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GETTING THERE TONIGHT. AND THAT'S MY, WHERE I'M AT ON THIS. LET ME COME BACK AND I THINK ADDRESSED TWO OF THE ITEMS. I'M NOT SURE I CAN ADDRESS ALL THREE, BUT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE EXPENSE SIDE. WE, I THINK WE'RE IN LINE ON THE REVENUE. THE EXPENSE SIDE FOR ME ADDED UP TO ABOUT, UH, $600,000. IT WAS BASED ON A COST OF DEPUTIES BEING $1,600 PER UNIT. SHERIFF ACTUALLY DISAGREED WITH MY CALCULATIONS. HE SAID IT SHOULD BE EXTENDED OVER ALL OF DISTRICT ONE, ALL THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS IN DISTRICT ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING THE ADDITIONAL DEPUTY LOAD. HE WOULD ARGUE THAT THE 1600 I USED WAS TOO GENEROUS, WAS TOO MUCH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A CHANGE. IT'S ACTUALLY A CHANGE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. YEAH. UM, I I I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE SOLID ENOUGH TO RUN WITH. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY POSITION. I I THINK IF I'M OVER ON THE DEPUTY AND UNDER ON ONE OF THE OTHER ONES, AT LEAST THEY'RE BALANCING OUT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ON NUMBERS FROM HERE ON IN AND AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T OTHERWISE WE'RE IN THE NEGATIVE. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S TOO WHILE, WHILE IT'S POSITIVE, THEY'RE TIGHT AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE A LOT TO CHANGE IT TO NEGATIVE, AND THEN THE COUNTY IS GONNA BE PAYING THAT FOREVER. BUT I WOULD ALSO ARGUE, AND ON THE REVENUE SIDE, DAN WAS PRETTY LENIENT ON WHAT HE ACCEPTED AS THE AMOUNT OF FOOD THAT THESE PLACES GO THROUGH AND THE TAX THAT GENERATES. [04:05:01] YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY HE WAS UNDERSTATING HIS REVENUE SIDE CONSERVATIVE, VERY CONSERVATIVE. SO I, I HEAR YOU. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOUND NUMBERS. PARKING IS 343 SPACES. THEY ADDED 30 FOR 120 FOR 117 UNITS. 117 THEY ADDED 30 MORE. IT'S IT'S ALMOST THREE TO ONE. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. BUT CONSIDER, I THINK PEOPLE'S PREFERENCES, THEY, THEY WANT TO DRIVE TO THEIR HOME AND PARK AT THEIR HOME AND NOT OVER HERE AT THIS PARK PARKING SPOT AND HAVE TO WALK. THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO BE IN THE RAIN OF THE COLD WEATHER AND HAVE TO PARK A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY TO WALK BACK TO THEIR HOME. THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO UNLOAD THEIR GROCERY OR THEIR, OR THE KIDS. THEY WANT TO PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME. THEIR PREFERENCES ARE GONNA BE TO PARK IN FRONT THE HOME HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, UH, THE ASSOCIATION DEAL O AT, LEMME ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION. HOW MANY OF THE TOWNHOUSES HAVE A DOUBLE WIDE DRIVEWAY? 44 OF 'EM. THE REAR LOADED GARAGES HAVE A DOUBLE WIDE DRIVEWAY. SO SINGLE, SO 44, WE'RE NOT DEALING, WE DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE. YEAH, BUT THE BUT THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THE TWO THIRDS THAT YOU DO, THE TWO THIRDS AND, AND I'M NOT SURE WE CAN DO MUCH MORE THAN THREE TO ONE ON, ON SPACES PER UNIT. AND AND BESIDES THAT, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE ON HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, PROPERTY CAN'T REGULATE AND THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION WILL CALL THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT TO SAY THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE. NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH NOW. NO, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKING IN THE, ON THE VDOT EASEMENT. BUT YOU CAN'T ON SIDE ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE PARKING UP OFF THE EASEMENT. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU'RE PARKING UP OFF THE EASEMENT ONTO THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THAT'S A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, MAN. ME. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. ONCE, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS CREATE A RULE. OKAY? SOMEHOW YOU CREATE A RULE THAT WOULD DICTATE THAT YOU DON'T PARK IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARKING SPOT. YOU DEDICATE PARKING SPOTS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU DO THAT. START TOWING. BUT, BUT ON, ON THOSE ROADS WOULD BE CONVEYED TO, TO THE VDOT. NOT THE ROADS. NOT THE ROADS. WELL, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING UP ON THE PARKING IN THE GARAGE. BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS, BECAUSE THE ROADS HAVE BEEN WIDENED OKAY. TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING BOTH SIDES. WELL DOT THAT'S VDOT THEN. YES. THEN YOU CALL THE SHERIFF, AND THEN THE SHERIFF DOES DOES WHAT TO PUT, PUT A TICKET, PUT TICKET ON, ON A VEHICLE THAT HE CAN ANYTHING WITH. I THINK, I THINK I'VE ANSWERED AS WELL AS I PROBLEMS BEFORE WE HAVE THEM. THAT'S WHEN YOU, THAT'S WHEN YOU ADDRESS THEM. SO YOU DON'T LIVE WITH THEM FOR FOREVER. YEAH. BUT WELL, THAT'S LIKE, UH, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT TALKS ABOUT YOU CAN'T PARK AND YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS HAVE THIS, I HAVE LIVE ONE. THEY SAY YOU CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. WELL, THEY CAN'T REGULATE IT BECAUSE IT'S ON STATE PROPERTY. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU ALSO REALIZE THE CHALLENGES I'M DEALING WITH, WITH ANOTHER HOME DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THINGS WEREN'T ADDRESSED SOON ENOUGH. AND NOW, AND NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH IT ON A AFTERWARDS, AND IT'S, AND IT'S PAINFUL. I'M THINKING YOU ADD MORE PARKING SPACES TO THIS. YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN 'EM THREE TO ONE. WELL, IN FACT, IF YOU IGNORE THE 44 UNITS THAT HAVE DOUBLE WIDE PARKING, IT LEAVES 260 PARKING SPOTS FOR 71 TOWNHOUSES. IT'S FOUR TO ONE. YEAH. THAT'S, WE THEY GOT ENOUGH PARKING TO ONE. THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING. IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO WALK 200 YARDS TO YOUR HOUSE, YEAH, IT'S ENOUGH PARKING. ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT WHEN YOU GET HOME TONIGHT? NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANNA DO THAT. YOU WANNA PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND YOU CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE. THEY CAN'T, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO GET 'EM TO DO? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THIS GONNA BE PERPETUAL, PERPETUAL FRICTION WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS GONNA REACH OUT TO US AND GO, LISTEN, I NEED MORE DEPUTIES TO HANDLE ALL THE CALLS OF SERVICE I'M GETTING AT THERE. JUST, THEY JUST WRITE A TICKET OR SOMETHING, I GUESS. AND THEN, AND THEN DO WHAT? AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE, THE HOMEOWNERS DON'T HAVE AN OPTION OF PARKING IN THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIMITED FRONT OF THEIR HOME, IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME. NOT IN THEIR HOME, BUT FRONT OF THE HOME. OR NOT IN THE DRIVEWAY, BUT IN, IN FRONT. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU'RE ANIMATED ON THAT PARKING ISSUES WE HAVE AND ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAME BEFORE THIS. IT'S BEEN FIXED ON THIS ONE. AND NOT, NOT IN MY DISCUSSION, NOT IN THE DISCUSSION I HAD THIS MORNING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DO WITH THIS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE DISCUSSION WITH IT WAS WITH SHERIFF MONTGOMERY. WELL, THEN HE HAS NOT LOOKED AT THE LATEST NUMBERS. WELL, HE, HE LOOKED AT WHAT HE HAD IN FRONT OF HIM THIS MORNING, SIR. WELL, THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE HAD UNTIL THIS MEETING. WELL, SO HE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT. BUT YOU HAVE SO MAKE A DECISION. UH, WELL, YEAH. I, I MADE A DECISION. SO WHENEVER Y'ALL READY TO MAKE THE CALL, I THINK WE MOTION BEEN MADE. MAKE THE MOTION MOTIONS. MOTIONS BEEN MADE. WE'LL, GO AHEAD. ROLL CALL, ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 26 DASH 17 R AS AMENDED. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DEERY? YES. MR. R? NO. MR. SHEPHERD. YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. GOD, [04:10:01] I THINK I JUST PASSED A KIDNEY STONE. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. HONOR MORE LIKE A BOULDER. I WILL NOW CALL ON, UH, DON'T LET EVERYBODY LEAVE NOW. IT'S JUST GETTING STARTED. WHY Y'ALL LEAVING? WE'RE ONLY EVERYBODY'S LEAVING US'. COME ON TO THE SLIM JIM. I NEED TO GO. [8. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-126 to create a Board policy on the criteria for "no wake" zones and their designating markers.] I'LL NOW CALL ON BRIAN FULLER, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO DISCUSS NO WAKE ZONE. UM, THERE'S A WAKE LEAVING RIGHT BEHIND ME. IF I COULD CONTINUE, IF I CAN CONTINUE, PLEASE. WE WILL CONDUCT ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS RELATED TO THE NO WAKE ZONES AT THE SAME TIME. AFTER I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON NO WAKE ZONES, WE WILL VOTE ON EACH ITEM SEPARATELY. GO AHEAD, BRIAN. GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MR. VALLEY. MINISTER HILL, I'M RETURNING TONIGHT TO REPORT ON THE PROGRESS OF THE NO WAKE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE. UH, WHAT PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE ON REVIEWING THE NO WAKE ZONES AND TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS OF THE BOARD AND, AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'LL GO THROUGH THIS, UH, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UH, JUST A QUICK SUMMARY. UH, Y'ALL CREATED THE NO WAKE ADVISORY BOARD. MR. JURY SERVED ON IT. WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS HERE, UH, TONIGHT. UH, SHANNON FOREST ATTORNEY CAPTAIN JAMES SCRUGGS. UM, WE HAD 17 MEMBERS, 11 CITIZENS AND SIX COUNTY STAFF. UH, WE HAD FIVE MEETINGS OVER A SIX WEEK PERIOD. WE MET FAST AND FURIOUS TO RESOLVE THIS AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. TONIGHT WE DEVELOPED A BOARD POLICY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT MODIFICATION, REMOVAL OF NO WAKE ZONES, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. UH, WE ALSO CREATED, UH, EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR THESE NO WAKE ZONES AND A FORM TO KIND OF SCORE THEM. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT IS SIX SEPARATE ACTIONS AS MR. UH, ROY MENTIONED. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS AND TWO ORDINANCES. UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THESE REALLY BRIEFLY AND REALLY QUICKLY. SO, UH, THE FIRST RESOLUTION IS RESOLUTION R 26, UM, DASH 1 26. AND THAT'S TO ESTABLISH THE BOARD POLICY, UH, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT MODIFICATION AND REMOVAL OF THE NO WAKE ZONES, THAT CRITERIA FOR THESE NO WAKE ZONES. AND THE EVALUATION FORM ORDINANCE, UM, 26 DASH 18 AMENDS, THE COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 16, SECTION 16 DASH 42 TO MATCH THE NEW POLICY. SO, AND THEN ALSO IN ORDINANCE 26 DASH 19 DOES TWO THINGS. THE FIRST IS TO INCREASE THE NO WAKE ZONE, UH, IN FRONT OF ROGER SMITH. BASICALLY FROM WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, WE WANT TO INCREASE IT UP RIVER A LITTLE BIT TO PROTECT ROGERS, A SMITH AND GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, NO WAKE ZONE IN THAT AREA. IS THAT A SHALLOW? IT IS SHALLOW. AND ALSO YOU HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE TRYING TO LOAD THEIR BOATS AND ALL. AND SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THERE MAKING NO WAKES, AND IT MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THE BOATERS TO DOCK THEIR BOATS. AND THE SECOND ONE, UH, IS TO, UH, DECREASE THE NO WAY ZONE, UH, ON CHISMAN CREEK, UH, FROM WHAT WAS THE WILDLY MARINA AREA IN HERE, AND PUSH IT BACK, UH, TO GREEN BUOY NUMBER. UM, PUSH IT BACK TOWARDS GREEN, GREEN BUOY FIVE, UH, FROM GREEN BUOY FIVE, I'M SORRY, TO THE DE BUOY FOUR. SO THIS HATCHED AREA THERE WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE NO WAY ZONE, UH, UM, RESOLUTION. THE R 26 STACK 17, UH, ACTUALLY REMOVES THE MARKER, UH, THAT WE'RE SHRINKING THAT AREA. AND THEN THE NEXT TWO RESOLUTIONS, 26 DASH 1 28 M1 29, REMOVE THE REDUNDANT MARKERS ON GOOSE CREEK. AND THEN LASTLY, THIS BASICALLY JUST GIVES YOU A, A WIDER VIEW OF THE CHIMA CREEK AREA. WHAT WE'VE DONE, UH, WE'RE REDUCING THE MARKER MARKER HERE, NUMBER ONE, UH, WE'RE REDUCING THESE TWO MARKERS ON GRU CREEK, AND WE'VE SHRUNK THE AREA, UH, THERE. UH, AND AS Y'ALL RECALL, DURING THE MEETINGS, UH, THAT WAS THE MAJOR CONTENTION. THERE WAS THE MARKER HERE, OUT HERE, UM, NEAR WHERE WILEY MARINA USED TO BE. SO REALLY IN CONCLUSION, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME. AS I MENTIONED, WE MET CONSECUTIVE WEEKS FOR, UH, FIVE OUTTA SIX WEEKS, UH, TO GET [04:15:01] THIS DONE. AND WHILE AT TIMES WE HAD SOME LIVELY CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION, UH, IT WAS ALL CORDIAL. UH, AND AT THE END WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS ON ALL OF THE MARKERS AND THE POLICY. UM, SO TONIGHT I ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UM, EACH OF THESE ACTIONS. UH, AND I KNOW AS MR. HORO SAID, WE'LL HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING TO LISTEN TO, TO ALL COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE. BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT. BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? I THINK, UH, WAYNE, FOR HIS WORK ON THIS, IT MUST HAVE BEEN, HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE FLAG JACKET. IT WAS COLORFUL. IT WAS COLORFUL. YEAH. WE HAD THAT BE GOOD . I I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THANKS. UH, BRIAN, HE PUT ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER, KEPT US ON TRACK. UH, SHANNON FOREST WAS THERE FOR THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT. SO SHE POURED HER HEART AND SOUL INTO THIS. THE DOC MASTER JAMES SCRUGGS WAS THERE. UM, UH, JUST, UH, A WELL EDUCATED GUY. AND SO JAMES, GREAT JOB ON YOUR PART. AND WE HAD, UH, DWR AND UH, THEY DID A GREAT JOB FOR US AND FROM THE LEGAL SIDE OF WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. UM, BUT THE OTHERS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE PICK FROM THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE HAND SELECTED WHO WE THOUGHT WERE GONNA BE THE BEST EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, AND WE HAD SOME OF THE BEST EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, AND THERE WAS SOME LIVELY CONVERSATIONS THAT WENT ON, BUT THEY WERE CORDIAL AND THEY RESPECTED EACH OTHER. BUT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF HEATED TIMES THAT PEOPLE DISAGREED. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THAT MEETING EACH WEEK, UH, WAS ON THE SAME PAGE. WE WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE, THE WATERWAYS HERE IN YORK COUNTY. AND WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WE ARE BRINGING TONIGHT, UH, EVERYBODY WAS IN AGREEMENT A HUNDRED PERCENT. THE WHOLE TEAM WAS IN AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING AS A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU ALL, UM, THAT, THAT AREN'T HERE, THAT WERE ON THE COMMITTEE. GREAT JOB FOR BEING A PART OF THAT. AND THANK YOU, WAYNE. YEAH. I WANNA SAY IT'S A PLEASURE, BUT , IF, IF YOU HAVE THESE MEETINGS AS BOATING SEASONS GETTING READY TO START. YEAH. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, INCENTIVE, INCENTIVE TO GET THESE THINGS DONE. WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THE MEETINGS, OH NO, THEY WANTED TO MEET EVERY WEEK. I THINK THEY'D HAVE MET TWICE A WEEK IF, IF WE COULD HAVE TO, TO GET THIS DONE SO THEY COULD GET OUT AND ENJOY THE WATER THEMSELVES. YEAH, I WAS WITH THEM ON THAT. IT JUST SHOWS YOU HAD THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON, ON, ON THAT COMMITTEE TO MAKE, MAKE THE DECISIONS. AND I'M, I'M GLAD WE PULLED IN LOCAL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO HELP WITH IT, WHETHER THAN US HERE MAKING A CALL BY OURSELVES. YEAH. NO, WE HAD SOME HEAVY HITTERS, A LOT OF GREAT CAPTAINS ON THE WATER, AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SOME MILITARY AND SOME CIVILIAN, BUT YEAH. HAD THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON THE TEAM. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. NUMBER EIGHT, NO WAKE BOARD POLICY ON THE CRITERIA FOR NO WAKE ZONES AND MARKERS. NUMBER NINE, UPDATE COUNTY CODE TO ALIGN WITH BOARD POLICY CHANGES. NUMBER 10, TWO, NO WAKE ZONES MODIFY TWO, NO WAKE ZONES. NUMBER 11, REMOVE A MARKER FROM THE SHRINKING ZONE AT CHISHOLM CREEK OFF THE END OF WIDE WILDLY CREEK. UH, REMOVE A MARKER FROM THE SHRINKING ZONE AT CHISMAN CREEK AND MOUTH OF GOOSE CREEK. AND NUMBER 13, REMOVE A REDUNDANT MARKER IN GOOSE CREEK OFF AUGUST DRIVE POINT. DO I HAVE ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE ISSUES? SEEING NANA WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, NOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY BOARD DISCUSSION. NONE. WE HAVE TO GO. I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LARGELY WHAT I ANTICIPATE IT, THAT THE GROUP WILL COME BACK WITH. SO ME, THIS IS A SLAM DUNK. YEP. LIKE THE LAST DISCUSSION. YEAH, . RIGHT. LET'S SEE. WE GONNA DO THIS LIKE, SO NUMBER I, I NEED TO DO EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. SO NUMBER EIGHT. UH, NO WAKE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A BOARD POLICY SIX, UH, DASH 1 26. ONE TWENTY SIX. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION. R 26 DASH 1 26 AS SUBMITTED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. RONE? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. HOL? YES. MOTION CARRY. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER [9. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 26-18, an Ordinance to amend the County's Code to update the original language to match the language of the Board policy and current usage.] NINE. NO WA ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND COUNTY'S CODE TO UPDATE THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TO MATCH LANGUAGE OF THE BOARD POLICY AND CURRENT USAGE. I'LL MOVE. NUMBER 26 DASH 18. ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL [04:20:01] IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 18 AS SUBMITTED. MR. ROHN? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NO? YES. MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. NUMBER 10 IS NO [10. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 26-19, an Ordinance to amend the York County Code to modify two of the "no wake" zones, expanding one zone, that is, that portion of the Poquoson River located generally at the channel marker 20, straight across to either side of the channel marker to the shores of the River, for the entirety of the rest of the Poquoson River flowing toward the headwaters and to include Moore’s Creek, and shrinking another, that is, removing a part of the zone in Chisman Creek, from Chisman Creek Green Buoy 5 towards the mouth at Chisman Creek Red Daybeacon 4.] WAKE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO MODIFY TWO OF THE NEW NEW WAKE ZONES. I'LL MOVE. NUMBER 26 DASH 19. THE MOTION MADE BY MS. NOEL IS TO DO PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 19 AS SUBMITTED. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NO? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROHN? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. NUMBER [11. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-127, a Resolution to remove the marker in the shrinking zone.] 11, NO WA ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE MARKER AT THE END OF LEY ROAD IN CHISHOLM CREEK. I MOVE R 26 DASH 1 27 CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE PRO PROPOSED RESOLUTION. R 26 1 27 AS SUBMITTED. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. RONE? YEP. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. NUMBER 12. [12. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-128, a Resolution to remove a redundant marker in the York County waterways.] NO WAKE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REMOVE THE MARKER LOCATED ON CHISM CREEK AND THE MOTH OF GOOSE CREEK. I MOVE. R 26. 1 28 ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO APPROVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION. R 26 DASH 1 28 AS SUBMITTED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOEL? YES. MR. HURO? YES. MOTION CARRIED. [13. No Wake Administrative Committee Recommendation. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-129, a Resolution to remove a redundant marker in the York County waterways.] NUMBER 13 AND NO WAKE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE A REDUNDANT MARKER JUST OFF AUGUST DRIVE POINT IN GOOSE CREEK. I MOVE. R 26 DASH 1 29. ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 26 1 29 AS SUBMITTED. MR. RONE? AFFIRMATIVE. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NO? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. BRIAN, YOU NOW HAVE THE RECORD FOR THE MOST, UH, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES PASSED IN THE SHORTEST TIME. I THINK SO. IN THE SHORTEST TIME. YEAH. YOU'RE IN CHARGE. ALL OF 'EM. NOW ON . [14. Admissions Tax - Amend Chapter 21 of the York County Code. Consider the adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 26-21 to amend Chapter 21 - Taxation of the York County Code to add Article XII adopting an admissions tax in York County, to set the rate of the tax, to set forth exemptions to the tax, and to adopt procedures and penalties for administering the tax.] NEXT WE HAVE ADMISSIONS TAX. IF SUSAN COULD COME FORWARD. DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. PRESENT THE ITEM FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE I BEGIN. I DO WANNA ADDRESS, I THINK IT'S GOOD MORNING BY NOW. NOT QUITE. NOT QUITE. SHE LIKE IT? OKAY. I WANNA KNOW ONE CORRECTION. CAN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH. SPEAKER'S NOT ON. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE. BETTER? YES, I HIT THE BUTTON TOO. OKAY. UH, I WANNA NOTE ONE CORRECTION IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. THE DEFINITION OF AMUSEMENT PARKS INADVERTENTLY INCLUDED, GO-KARTS. THE BOARD WAS EXPLICIT AT THEIR AUGUST 4TH WORK SESSION THAT YOU DID NOT WANNA INCLUDE. GO-KARTS AND OTHER SMALL ENTERTAINMENT TYPE, UH, BUSINESSES. JUST AMUSEMENT AND THEME PARKS AND WATER PARKS. SO THAT ONE WORD WOULD BE, WILL BE STRUCK FROM THE ORDINANCE. MY RECOMMENDATION, I'LL GO INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AS WE GO FORWARD. SORRY. KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. OKAY. UM, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE AUGUST 4TH WORK SESSION, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECENTLY GRANTED YORK COUNTY THE AUTHORITY TO CHARGE AN ADMISSIONS TAX EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2026 UP TO 10%. THE BUDGET FOR FY 27 INCLUDED A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF $200,000 IN ADMISSION TAX REVENUE. AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE, THE BUDGET TIMEFRAME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IMPLEMENTATION OF ADMISSIONS TAX WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, TO ALLOW ADEQUATE TIME FOR THE SOFTWARE MODIFICATION AND FOR TAXPAYER NOTIFICATION. WE RECOMMENDED, UH, TO THE BOARD AT THE WORK SESSION ON AUGUST 4TH, AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2027. STAFF ALSO REVIEWED, UH, ADMISSIONS TAX RATES AND NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE CITY OF HAMPTON NEWPORT NEWS ARE 10% WILLIAMSBURG'S, 10% CAPPED AT A DOLLAR. AND JAMES CITY COUNTY RECENTLY ADOPTED A 5%. UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, THIS IS JUST A, A BENCHMARK TO LOOK AT, BUT IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TAX BASES AND DIFFERENT EXEMPTIONS. SO BASED ON THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, UM, WE HAVE, UH, PREPARED AN ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES A 5% ADMISSIONS TAX ON AMUSEMENT PARKS AND WATER PARKS WITH THE CORRECTION. I NOTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, ACTIVITIES SUCH AS GO-KARTS, MINIATURE GOLF ESCAPE ROOMS, AND OTHER SMALL ENTERTAINMENT ACTIVITIES WOULD NOT BE TAXED. WE ESTIMATE THE REVENUE, UH, FOR THE FIR FOR FY 27 TO BE $450,000. THAT REPRESENTS ONE, UH, HALF A YEAR. AND FOLLOWING [04:25:01] THAT, A FOUR YEAR ESTIMATE OF 900,000 THEREAFTER. THAT'S ENOUGH. THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ADVERTISED. AND AS BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION, IF ADOPTED STAFF WILL COMPLETE THE NECESSARILY IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION WORK, UH, TO PREPARE FOR COLLECTIONS BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST, DO I HAVE ANY, UH, BOARD QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING CALL ON ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY BOARD DISCUSSION? NO. DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, I MOVE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 21 AND ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO APPROVE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 21 R AS AMENDED. MR. SHEPHERD? YES, MRS. OH, YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROHN? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. THERE [L. Unfinished Business] WAS NO UNFINISHED [M. Consent Calendar] BUSINESS. SO WE'LL MOVE TO CONSENT CALENDAR. WE HAVE ITEMS 15 THROUGH 21. NUMBER 15 IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JUNE OF SIX, JUNE 16TH OF 26. NUMBER 16 IS INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR BRIGHTWOOD STREAMS RESTORATION PROJECT. MM-HMM. WHICH IS A SLOT GRANT. NUMBER 17 IS HIGH PRIORITY INFLOW AND INFILTRATION REDUCTION PLAN AGREEMENT WITH HRSD TO PERFORM WORK ON COUNTY OWNED INFRASTRUCTURE. MM-HMM . NUMBER 18 IS SOMERVILLE SLIPPED LINING AND STORM DRAINAGE REHABILITATION. MM-HMM . NUMBER 19 IS A REFUND OF REAL ESTATE TAXES FOR A DISABLED VETERAN. NUMBER 20 IS RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR ONE OF OUR EMS BATTALION CHIEFS. MELISSA, DO. AND NUMBER 21 IS RETIREMENT RECOGNITION OF ONE OF OUR PAYROLL CLERKS. CASSANDRA. CHRISTEN, DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS? HEARING NONE. I MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. FULL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. DOLE IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. R. YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. ROY? [G. County Attorney Reports and Requests] YES. MOTION CARRIED. I NOW MOVE BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE. ITEM G. COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS CALL ON MR. HILL. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [H. County Administrator Reports and Requests] NEXT I'LL CALL ON COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS. MR. BELLAMY, UH, LIKEWISE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THE BUT NO REPORTS AT THIS TIME. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE FACEBOOK PAGE THAT YOU'VE LAUNCHED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE RELATED TO THE 1% TAX IS VERY INFORMATIVE. I THINK IT'S WELL DONE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE COMPLETELY PUBLICIZED. THANK YOU. MATTERS [I. Matters Presented by the Board] PRESENTED BY THE BOARD DUE TO THE LATE HOUR. NO. SAME. DITTO SCHOOL STARTING SOON. BE CAREFUL. YEP. BE SAFE. I HAVE ONE . UM, OF COURSE YOU DO. NO, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY, UH, KRISTEN REED FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND COLLABORATION WITH THE UNITED WAY OF THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA AND SENATOR DANNY DIGGS IN ADVANCING THE GUARDIAN NETWORK. IT'S AN INNOVATIVE STATEWIDE INITIATIVE TO CREATE A CENTRALIZED PLATFORM FOR, FOR VIRGINIA'S MISSING PERSONS ALERT. THANKS. IN LARGE PART, TO THEIR EFFORTS TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS APPROVED NEARLY $400,000 FOR VIRGINIA STATE POLICE TO MOVE THE PROJECT INTO DEVELOPMENT. AND ONCE IMPLEMENTED, THE GUARDIAN NETWORK WILL BRING VIRGINIA'S EXISTING MISSING PERSONS ALERT SYSTEM TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE AND PROVIDE ANOTHER TOOL TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE PUBLIC SHARE INFORMATION WHEN EVERY MATTER, WHEN EVERY MINUTE MATTERS. KRISTEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO SERVING NOT ONLY YORK COUNTY, BUT COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA. AND WITH THAT, I HAVE NO FURTHER ITEMS. I WILL [O. Closed Meeting ] NOW ASK MR. SHEPHERD TO TAKE US INTO CLOSED SESSION. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, LET'S SEE. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ALSO IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A FIVE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING TO DISCUSS A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING [04:30:01] BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I [P. Future Business] WILL ANNOUNCE THE NEXT MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS A JOINT MEETING WITH THE SUPERVISORS AND HONOR. DID THEY DO SO MANY YCSD SCHOOL BOARD? IT WILL BE HELD AT 6:00 PM SEPTEMBER 1ST IN THE EAST ROOM. OKAY. WE HAVE TO CALL, ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL ON THE CLOSED MEETING. AYE? MM-HMM . MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. WE STAND ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.