Aug 12, 2026 Planning Commission

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OKAY, CALL THE MEETING

[A. Call to Order]

THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL OTHER MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD COMMISSION.

IS COM COMPROMISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.

WITH THAT MADAM

[B. Roll Call ]

MR. TITUS.

MR. BROOKS? HERE.

MR. BUTLER.

MR. BURLING? HERE.

MR. SMITH? HERE.

MR. WASMER? HERE.

MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? OKAY.

WITH THAT,

[C. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America]

UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE DUE TO THE LACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DUE TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

IF, UH, WE NEED

[D. Approval of Minutes ]

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.

THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON JULY 8TH, 2026.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN? YES.

MR. BELLI? YES.

MR. WASSER? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MR. BROOKS? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

NOW WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD.

I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP.

UM, IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THAT HASN'T SIGNED UP, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

OKAY.

WITH THAT,

[F.2. Application No. UP-1074-26, M D C Enterprises LLC: Request to authorize a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 [Category 12, No. 18] of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to establish a towing service/auto storage and impound yard on two parcels totaling 1.1-acres (GPINs S03d-2653-0784 & S03d-2557-0811) located at 126 & 128 Production Drive (Route 799). The properties are zoned Limited Industrial (IL) and are designated Limited Industrial in the Comprehensive Plan. ]

AND MADISON, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT THIS.

SURE.

DO.

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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY MDC ENTERPRISE'S LC IS A REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO ESTABLISH A TOWING SERVICE SLASH AUTO STORAGE AND IMPOUND YARD ON TWO PARCELS, TOTALING 1.1 ACRES LOCATED AT 1 26 AND 1 28 PRODUCTION DRIVE.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN THE BETHEL INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA OFF ROUTE 17.

THE SITE CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS, EACH CONTAINING A MULTI-TENANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH BAY DOORS, THE BUILDING ON 1 26 PRODUCT PRODUCTION DRIVE, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT IN THIS PHOTO.

UM, HOST WORLEY'S HOME SERVICES AND ALSO CAPITAL CARPET AND SERVICES.

THE OTHER BUILDING ON THE RIGHT HERE, UH, CURRENTLY HOSTS BENDELL AUTO SERVICE AND AUTO REPAIR SHOP.

HOWEVER, BENDELL AUTO SERVICE HAS ENDED THEIR LEASE AND THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RENT THIS SPACE FOR POTENTIAL TOWING COMPANIES.

HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS FROM THE STAFF SITE VISIT ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT, UM, THEY HAVE CLEARED MORE DEBRIS IN THAT AREA, SO IT PROBABLY LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT TODAY.

AS FOR SURROUNDING USES, UH, THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS YORK MANOR SUBDIVISION.

UH, IT IS A HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONED R 13.

THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR WITH GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING AND PARCEL ZONE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY ARE ALSO NEARBY AND DIRECTLY ADJACENT BUSINESSES INCLUDE A CAR DEALER TO THE WEST, A HOME THEATER STORE AND HOME GOODS STORE TO THE EAST AND A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND WAREHOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS PRODUCTION DRIVE ALL ZONE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO ALLOW POTENTIAL TENANTS TO CONDUCT TOWING OPERATIONS AND VEHICLE STORAGE.

THE SUBJECT TOWING SERVICE WILL CONSIST OF AN APPROXIMATELY FIF 1500 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE IN THE END UNIT OF THE MULTI-TENANT BUILDING WITHIN AN APPROXIMATELY 8,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, GRAVEL SURFACED AUTO STORAGE YARD.

THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BY AN EIGHT FOOT OPAQUE FENCING WITH AN ENTRY GATE.

THE EIGHT FOOT FENCING IS A CORRECTION FROM THE MEMO, UM, WHICH STATED THE MINIMUM REQUIRED HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.

SO HERE ARE SOME PHOTO RENDERING SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT OF WHAT THAT SECURITY GATE WOULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.

UM, THE REQUESTED USE WOULD PROVIDE FOR POTENTIAL TOWING SERVICES FOR THE STATE AND LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

TOWING ROTATIONS.

UH, PER THE APPLICANT'S SUBMISSIONS, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE

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SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THESE PARCELS FOR LIMITED INDUSTRIAL USES.

THEREFORE, THIS APPLICATION ABIDES BY THE VISION PLANNED FOR THIS AREA.

THE CURRENT SURROUNDING USES ARE ALSO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.

UH, AND SO BY ADDING THIS NEW USE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CHANGE TO THE SURROUNDING, UH, CHARACTER.

FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE USE WILL NEED TO ABIDE BY THE MOTOR VEHICLE AND TRANSPORTATION RELATED USES IN THE CODE.

A NEW BUSINESS LICENSE WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED.

THAT INCLUDES THE TOWING AND STORAGE SERVICES.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE STORAGE LIMITATIONS, INCLUDING LIMITING THE STORAGE TO THE AREAS SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED SKETCH PLAN.

VEHICLES THAT ARE OPERABLE CANNOT BE STORED FOR OVER 90 DAYS IN OPERABLE VEHICLES CANNOT BE STORED FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS AND ONLY ONE CAN BE STORED ON THE PROPERTY AT A TIME.

AND NO STACKING OF VEHICLES ARE STORAGE WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE YARD.

SO, CONTINUING THE CONDITIONS, EXCUSE ME.

UM, NO PORTION OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE USED AS AN AUTOMOTIVE GRAVEYARD OR JUNKYARD.

A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS BEING CONDITIONED.

THAT WILL REQUIRE, UM, ALONG THE INSIDE OF THE BACK PERIMETER FENCE WITH EVERGREEN PLANTINGS THAT ARE FULL BRANCHING, UH, TO THE GROUND AND SPACED FIVE FEET APART.

UH, CONCRETE WHEEL STOPS WILL NEED TO BE INSTALLED TO PROTECT THESE PLANTINGS.

UH, THE PLANTINGS ARE MAINLY FOR NOISE ATTENUATION, SO JUST MAKING SURE THE NOISE IS HANDLED MOREOVER THAN THE SCREENING.

UM, AND THE REASONING FOR THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE PLANTING IS BECAUSE THE FENCE IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO TO PUT PLANTINGS IN FRONT OF THE FENCE THAT WOULD BE FACING THE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE OFF THE PROPERTY OF THE APPLICANT.

IF ANY NEW OUTDOOR LIGHTING IS PROPOSED, AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED.

AND MENTIONING THE REQUIREMENT OF AT LEAST THE SIX FOOT HIGH OPAQUE FENCE, UM, IS A CONDITION.

BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE APPLICANT HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UM, WITH OPAQUE WRAPPING.

UM, AND A SECURITY GATE IS REQUIRED WITHIN THE CONDITIONS.

SO THE PROPOSED SERVICES WILL NEED TO ABIDE BY THE TOWING SECTION OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE.

AND MULTIPLE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ARE CONDITIONED BY THE YORK COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT, FORMERLY KNOWN AS FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

AS FOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UH, STAFF CONCLUDED THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE TOWING BUSINESS WOULD BE MINIMAL, UH, AND THE OPERATION WOULD BE LESS INTENSIVE THAN THE AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS.

UH, THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES ALONG THE FRONT AND SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS ARE APPROPRIATE TO ACCOMMODATE EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS OF THE BUSINESS AS WELL AS THE NEEDS OF THE TENANTS OCCUPYING THE BUILDING.

SO, IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE A TOWING SERVICE OF VEHICLE STORAGE AND IMPOUND YARD WITH OFFICE SPACE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY LOW INTENSITY USE THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ONSITE AND ADJACENT COMMERCIAL SLASH INDUSTRIAL USES.

THE IMPOUND YARD WILL COVER THE BACK PORTION OF THE PARCEL, AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS REQUIRE VISUAL AND NOISE SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

ADDITIONALLY, CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO ENSURE SAFE AND OPERABLE CONDITIONS AND DESIRED STORAGE IMPLEMENTATION.

BASED ON THESE FINDINGS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION PC 26 DASH 18.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

YEAH.

UH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, BUT YOU ANSWERED IT.

I WAS INTERESTED IN WHY THE, UH, SHRUBBERY ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE AND WHY IF THE EIGHT FOOT, WHY HE STILL NEEDED IT, BUT FOR NOISE.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

OKAY.

I HAD THAT SIMILAR QUESTION, BUT ANSWERED.

UH, CAN WE DEFINE INOPERABLE? WHERE ARE WE GETTING THAT DEFINITION FROM? UH, YEAH, SO THE DEFINITION FOR INOPERABLE IS BASED OFF OF THE CODE.

SO ACTUALLY LET ME PULL UP THE YORK COUNTY CODE FOR YOU ALL.

'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.

I THINK IT'S LISTED IN NOT BEING CAPABLE OF OPERATING UNDER WHICH PARTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED IN PARAGRAPH TWO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO IF IT'S NOT ABLE TO BASICALLY MOVE UNDER ITS OWN POWER, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S

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'CAUSE I, I WOULD HAVE THE NEXT, UH, QUESTION FOR THAT WOULD BE TO MOVE INTO THE APPLICANT, UH, WHICH WOULD BE, DOES THE APPLICANT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS, UH, A REASONABLE EXPECTATION FOR WHAT WOULD BE THE USE CASE AT THIS LO AT THIS LOCATION? FOR THE LIMIT OF ONLY ONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE USE THERE.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN APPLICANT QUESTION.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND HE IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT, UH, CONDITION.

YEP.

IS EVERYBODY FINISHED WITH MASK? WE STAY.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL NOW POST, EXCUSE ME.

WE, WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR, UM, INOPERABLE IF YOU'D LIKE.

THIS IS NOT IN THE ZONING CODE, IT'S IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.

THE MOTOR VEHICLES IN TRAFFIC CODE OF THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S UNDER A DEFINITION OF INOPERABLE ABANDONED MOTOR VEHICLE.

SO THE FULL DEFINITION IS AN, AN ABANDONED MOTOR VEHICLE, WHICH IS INOPERABLE AND WHOSE FAIR MARKET VALUE AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE IS LESS THAN THE COST OF ITS RESTORATION TO INOPERABLE CONDITION.

GOT WHAT YOU SAID? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT, MOTHER.

OKAY WITH THAT, NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CHUCK WORLEY IS THE APPLICANT.

AND CHUCK, YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES.

ALL RIGHT.

AS ONE OF MY FELLOW CHAIRMAN SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE 10 MINUTES IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

WELL, I SPEAK SPEAKING GUSTS OF 30.

SO , IT'S, UH, UM, SO I, I, MR. BURLEY, THANK YOU FOR COMING BY TO, AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, GETTING YOUR EYEBALLS ON IT.

I KIND OF HAD THE SAME CONCERN.

UM, I'M THINKING SOMETHING INOPERABLE IS, UH, WE'RE WAITING ON A ENGINE, WE'RE WAITING ON A TRANSMISSION, AND THE CHANCES OF HAVING ONE CAR THERE, I I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, TEN FIVE EVEN, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER NUMBER.

BUT BASED ON THAT DEFINITION, UM, I MEAN, MY CAR GUY HAD A $28,000, UH, TRUCK THERE THAT HAD A $8,000 ENGINE AND HE'D BEEN WAITING ON THE ENGINE FOR THREE MONTHS.

SO BASED ON THAT DEFINITION, I, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE IT MORE THAN ONE.

IF IT'S A PROBLEM, I'LL, I'LL DEAL WITH IT.

BUT FIVE, EVEN 10 MAYBE WOULD BE THE WORST CASE.

I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU CAN FIT, I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY 30 OR 40 CARS BACK THERE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE THAT MANY, BUT I, I DO THINK THERE'S CAPACITY FOR THAT.

UM, I THINK SHE SAID IT WAS EIGHT OR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OF, OF PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING.

SO, UM, IT'S NOT A BIG RUB FOR ME, BUT I I, I WOULD LIKE THAT NUMBER NOT TO BE ONE, FIVE OR 10 WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE COMFORTABLE.

BUT, UM, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I THINK SHE, SHE DID A GREAT JOB, UM, AT EXPLAINING EVERYTHING.

THE BIGGEST THING IS I'VE HAD A CAR AUTO GUY THERE, AUTO REPAIR GUY THERE FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS WHO'S BEEN TOWING STUFF THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS.

SO JUST SWITCHING FROM AUTO REPAIR TO TOWING COMPANY, I, NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

I DID GO WITH, UM, THEY, THEY BOTH TOLD ME ERLAND AND, AND, UM, I'M SORRY, THANK YOU, UM, TOLD ME TO GO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS PERSONALLY.

AND I DID, I BANGED ON FOUR DOORS AND HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE.

ALL FOUR OF 'EM WERE HOME AND ALL OF THEM WERE, THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, IT'S FINE.

I MEAN, WE KNOW THERE'S A GUY TOWING STUFF THERE ALL THE TIME.

IT'S A CAR REPAIR.

ONE OF THE LADIES ACTUALLY USES HIM.

THE, UH, BENDLE AUTO WAS WHO JUST MOVED OUT.

SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BIG CHANGE FOR ANYBODY.

I DOUBT ANYBODY'S EVEN GONNA NOTICE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW BLACK MESH THAT I PUT UP AND NOW THE NEW GATE THAT'S GONNA BE PUT UP, NOBODY'S EVEN GONNA SEE IT.

NOBODY WANTS ENGLISH MOTORS BACK THERE.

LIKE, NOT TO PUT HIM DOWN, BUT I NOBODY WANTS THAT LOOK, RIGHT.

I'M, MY OFFICE IS THERE.

ONE OTHER THING IS, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING.

SHE SAID WORLEY'S HOME SERVICES IS THERE.

YOU SAW ALL THE WORLEY'S TRUCKS.

BENDELL WORKED ON WORLEY'S TRUCKS, SO THAT'S WHY THE TRUCKS WERE THERE.

I ACTUALLY OWN A CONSULTING COMPANY NOW WHERE I'M COACHING COMPANIES AND STUFF TO IMPROVE THEIR REVENUES, BUT THAT IS MY OFFICE WHERE I WORK OUT OF EVERY DAY, UH, COACHING AND HELPING OTHER COMPANIES.

UM, SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A UGLY PLACE.

SO, UH, IF YOU NOTICED, IF YOU HAD TIME TO READ THAT 28 PAGE, UH, UH, CONTRACT THAT I WROTE UP FOR MY NEW, UM, LEASEES, IT IS STRINGENT, PROBABLY MORE STRINGENT THAN YOURS.

I HAD A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE.

I'M PUTTING UP SIGNS OF EVERYBODY HAS DESIGNATED

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'CAUSE HAVING A CAR REPAIR GUY, HE PARKS EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? SO I'M AN ABUSED LANDLORD, SO I , EVERYBODY WILL HAVE DESIGNATED SPOTS.

NOBODY'S GONNA BE PARKING OUTSIDE OF THEIR, THEIR PLACE.

OR LIKE I SAID, IN MY LEASE, IN MY PARKING TWO PAGE PARKING RULES, IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE FOR PARKING IN SOMEONE ELSE'S SPOT.

SO ANYWAY, I I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA BE'S GONNA BE FINE.

SO, AND A LOT LESS CARS THAN WHAT BENDA WAS ROLLING THROUGH THERE.

HE MOVED FROM A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO 9,000 SQUARE FOOT.

SO HE, HE NEEDED MORE ROOM.

SO IT KIND OF WORKED OUT FOR BOTH OF US.

HIM MOVING.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT.

THERE'S PROOF THAT I ACTUALLY HAD SPOKEN UNDER THREE MINUTES.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UH, I WOULD THINK THE FACT THEY'RE BEING TOWED, THEY'RE INOPERABLE IN SOME FASHION , SO MOST OF THE CARS THAT END UP THERE WOULD BE THAT.

AND THEN, UH, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING THE MOST RECENT, UH, RECIPIENT OF THE YORK COUNTY SMALL BUSINESS, SIR.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE SMALL'S A LITTLE MISNOMER.

'CAUSE I COULD GET TO WORK A LOT QUICKER IF THERE WEREN'T SO MANY ORANGE AND GREEN TRUCKS.

YEAH, I'D GO.

SO CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SUCCESS.

YOU'RE VERY KIND AND, UH, INVESTMENT IN THE COUNTY, SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, JUST TO COMMENT, I, I DID, UH, ALSO KNOCK ON THE DOORS BEHIND THE, UH, THE LOCATION TONIGHT.

I DID SPEAK WITH THOSE OWNERS AS WELL, AND FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT, I, I CERTAINLY FOUND IT TO BE VERY REASONABLE FROM THE INITIAL, UH, REVIEW LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE I EVEN GOT THERE WAS WHY DID, WHY DID THE SHRUBBERY GET IDENTIFIED AS, AS WHERE IT DID? BUT TRUTH BE TOLD, FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, IT'S, IT'S A PERFECTLY, UH, APPROPRIATE SETUP AS IT IS.

SO ON THAT, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, ITEM THAT, UH, I, THAT'S ADDRESSED APPROPRIATELY.

SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.

AND THEN YEAH, JUST, UH, PLACING MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF, OF THIS SITUATION.

THAT WAS THE OTHER BIG ITEM THERE THAT HIT ME WAS JUST THE INOPERABLE ASPECT AND THE REASONABILITY OF IT.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS PROPERLY ADDRESSED, UH, FOR YOU AS WELL, JUST FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE, THAT WAS GREAT POINT, WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING ON THE DOTTED LINE THERE.

BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE, JUST A COMMENT OR A QUESTION ON THE HOURS.

IT SHOWS EIGHT TO FIVE, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE TOWING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS 24 7, CORRECT? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

SO IF SOMEBODY GET THE CAR TOWED THERE, GREAT QUESTION.

THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.

SO FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, UM, I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO BENDELL WHEN HE WAS KIND OF MOVING HIS STUFF OUT THERE AND HE'S LIKE, HEY, ARE YOU GONNA BE AROUND SUNDAY? I SAID, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO CLEAN ALL THIS STUFF UP.

AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, I'M GONNA HAVE LIKE SIX CARS TOWED HERE TODAY, SUNDAY.

SO THAT LA THAT ONE OF THE LADIES, WHICH YOU PROBABLY TALKED TO, HER NAME WAS, UM, I THINK IT WAS VICTORIA.

BUT ANYWAY, SHE, UH, SHE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME ABOUT THAT.

I SAID, WELL, WERE YOU HOME SUNDAY? SHE GOES, YEAH, I WAS WORKING IN THE YARD ALL DAY.

I SAID, WELL, LAST SUNDAY, THE DAY YOU WERE WORKING IN YOUR YARD, SIX TOWING TOES WERE DONE THAT DAY.

SHE GOES, OKAY, SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT NOISE THEN.

LIKE SHE'S LIKE, NOTHING'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE.

SO, YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY WOULD, IT HAS BEEN, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOWING THEIR AFTER HOURS, UM, FOR 15 YEARS.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ANY, ANY, BUT I GAVE ALL FOUR OF THOSE PEOPLE MY PHONE NUMBER.

SO IF THEY HAVE PERSONAL CELL NUMBER, SO IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S IN HERE MEETS THE EXPECTATION THAT PEOPLE CAN PICK UP 24 7, NOT JUST EIGHT TO FIVE.

SO THAT'S, THEY CAN PICK UP BETWEEN EIGHT AND FIVE.

'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TIME ANYBODY'S GONNA BE THERE.

BUT IS THERE GONNA BE A GUY PICKING UP A TRUCK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, DROPPING IT OFF AND LEAVING? PROBABLY I, BUT, BUT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE TONED FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE 24 HOUR.

THEY WILL.

YEAH.

THE TOW TRUCKS WILL BE NO, I'M, I'M, IF THEY WANTED TO PICK UP A CAR, YEAH, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP 24 7.

WELL, THAT IS NOT, I, YEAH, I DON'T RUN A TOW COM TRUCK.

OKAY.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I THAT MAY BE ACCURATE.

YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I MAY BE SPEAKING OUTTA TURN THEN I, I I KNOW THEY'LL BE MANNED EIGHT TO FIVE, SOMEBODY WILL BE THERE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

I, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION AND I WAS CONCERNED TOO, IS IT TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR US TO STATE THAT IT'S EIGHT TO FIVE OR AT A STATEMENT THAT IT'S EIGHT TO FIVE WITH TOWING TAKING PLACE ANYTIME? I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, GENTLEMEN, I DID JUST WANNA INTERJECT THE NUMBER OF OF CARS THAT CAN BE THERE AT ANY TIME IN ANY CONDITION IS, IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW, NOT MINE.

BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT POLICE TOWING VERSUS PRIVATE TOWING.

UM, I THINK MAYBE THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THIS IS AUTOMATICALLY A, A STANDARDIZED POLICE TOWING LOT.

IT MAY BE, IT MAY NOT BE.

WE DON'T KNOW.

AS COUNSEL FOR THE TOWING ADVISORY BOARD, I CAN TELL YOU THAT GENERALLY THE PICKUPS ARE INTENDED TO BE FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

IF FOLKS WANT TO GET AN AFTER HOURS

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THEY HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT FOR THESE, UM, POLICE USE TOWING LOTS THAT, UM, PHONE NUMBERS HAVE TO BE POSTED OBVIOUSLY.

AND THE CONTACT INFORMATION HAS TO BE READILY EV READILY AVAILABLE TO THE OWNER.

THEY CAN CALL AND MAKE THAT ARRANGEMENT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY UTILIZE POLICE INITIATED TOWING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE LOT IS OPEN 24 7.

I KIND OF TOOK IT AS I'M OPEN EIGHT TO FIVE, BUT MY GUYS WILL BE AT YOUR HOUSE AT SEVEN 30 IF YOU'VE GOT NO AC.

SO I'M THINKING MAYBE IT'S AN ON CALL THING.

THAT IS WHAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

THE POLICE INITIATED TOWING ONLY COMES IN THE PARENT IN A SITUATION WHERE AN OWNER OF A VEHICLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, CANNOT OR WILL NOT HAVE IT MOVED IF IT IS ILLEGALLY PARKED, NOT NECESSARILY INCAPACITATED BLOCKING THE ROADWAY.

IT COULD BE INCAPACITATED IF THE OWNER WAS A VICTIM IN AN ACCIDENT AND WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL.

COULD ALSO BE THAT THERE WAS A DRUNK DRIVER WHO WAS PLACED UNDER ARREST AND CANNOT LEGALLY TAKE THERE, AND THERE'S NOT SOMEONE THERE LEGALLY ABLE TO TAKE THE VEHICLE FOR THEM, THEN THE POLICE MUST HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR GETTING IT TOWED AND THE OWNER HAS TO GO AND PICK IT UP.

UM, BUT ALL THESE THINGS ARE IN VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TOWING ORDINANCE DOESN'T APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATELY ENGAGED TOWING BETWEEN PRIVATE PARTIES.

SO I GUESS THE ANSWER IS THIS IS NOT RESTRICTIVE.

CORRECT.

I, I DID A LITTLE POLL WITH OUR, UM, ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT INSPECTOR, UM, WHO GOES OUT AND FREQUENCIES AND SHE SAID IT'S RARE THAT ONE OF THESE WILL HAVE MORE THAN ONE INOPERABLE VEHICLE AT A TIME.

SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SHE'LL, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE DOES AN INSPECTION, SHE'LL SEE ONE AND SHE'LL JUST REMIND THEM THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT FOR 30 DAYS AND THEY SHOULD ONLY HAVE ONE.

AND, AND IT'S NEVER BEEN PROBLEMATIC.

SHE TOLD ME FOR THEM TO, TO MOVE THEM OUT.

UH, SHE SAID MOST OF THE CARS SHE SEES IN THESE ARE, ARE INOPERABLE.

THEY, THEY OPERATE .

SORRY, THERE'S TOO MANY ENDS IN HERE.

THEY OPERATE JUST FINE.

THEY WERE TOWED THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

MAYBE THEY BROKE DOWN FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

UM, AND MOST OF THE CARS AREN'T THERE VERY LONG BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A REPAIR FACILITY, SO THEY JUST BRING 'EM THERE TO PUT'EM IN THE PLACE WHERE UNTIL THE OWNER SAYS, I WANT YOU TO SEND IT TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH GARAGE OR WHATEVER.

SO MOST OF THE TIMES THE CARS AREN'T SITTING THERE A LONG TIME, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE STORAGE FEES AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT BUILD UP OVER TIME.

YEAH.

SO, UM, SHE SAID SHE'S NOT REALLY SEEN A CONCERN WITH THE INOPERABLE VEHICLES.

UM, AND WE'VE NOT HAD ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPERATION TIMES.

UM, MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE, ARE FINE.

I MEAN, AS MR. WORLEY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN OPERATION LIKE THIS, YOU MAY HAVE SOMEONE BRINGING A CAR IN AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT KIND OF THING HAPPENING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICANTS FOR ANYONE TO SPEAK, BUT IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK WITH THAT? THEN I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL LET YOU START.

NO COMMENTS.

OKAY.

NOTHING.

SO MINE WOULD BE EARL, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, I MEAN, AND UH, WE WERE JUST TOLD, DO WE, ARE WE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT FROM ONE OR WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NEVER GONNA BE A PROBLEM.

SO IT'S NOT WORTH, I MEAN, THE THE REASON IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF ALL THE JUNKYARDS AUTO YARDS YEAH.

YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS, WE DON'T WANT TO FIND, HAVE THAT OCCURRING.

BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE, AS MS UH, TITO SAID, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO INCREASE IT IF YOU WANT.

I MEAN, WE CAN CHANGE THE, THE RESOLUTION AND MAKE IT AN R IF YOU WANNA UP IT BY A FEW, BY A COUPLE NUMBERS, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

I, I WOULD BE UP FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL, HOW EVERYBODY FEEL.

I DON'T HAVE ANY, I I CERTAINLY HAVE NO ISSUE INCREASING IT TO FIVE.

I MEAN BY, BY NO MEANS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT LOT IS ONLY SO BIG ANYWAYS.

SO, I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU COULD FIT 10 INOPERABLE VEHICLES OVER THERE, BUT I THINK FIVE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

I MEAN, I'M GRANTED YOU CAN GET TRICKY, I'M SURE.

UH, BUT YES, I, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH INCREASING THE NUMBER IN, IN THAT REGARD.

WELL, I, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT FIVE TPI FIVE.

ABSOLUTELY.

I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT.

SO WE'LL AMEND CONDITION NUMBER.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST LOOKING FIVE TO CHANGE ONE TO FIVE.

YES.

CAN I ASK ONE MORE? ONE QUESTION.

CAN I GO TO THE PODIUM? GO TO THE, GO TO THE PODIUM? YEAH, SORRY, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT, AND EVEN MR. BRALEY MENTIONED THE, THE BUSHES AND THE NEED FOR THOSE BUSHES.

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THESE BUSHES THAT ARE GONNA BE TWO FOOT HIGH, AND LEMME GIVE YOU A PICTURE.

THIS IS A TWO FOOT HIGH BUSH BEHIND THIS PODIUM THAT YOU CAN'T SEE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS UNTIL IT'S EIGHT FOOT TALL.

SO I'LL DO IT IF YOU TELL ME TO DO IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING IT.

I, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE, UH, AND ACTUALLY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP WHEN WE WERE IN THE, IS THE OVER BRUSH IN THE, THE COUNTY'S, UM, DITCH THE COUNTY'S DITCH.

IT'S KIND OF OVERGROWN.

UM, YOU CAN'T EVEN BARELY SEE THE FENCE, LET ALONE THROUGH THE FENCE, BECAUSE I PUT THE BLACK MESH UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THE BUSHES.

IF YOU TELL ME I HAVE TO PUT 'EM IN, I'LL PUT 'EM IN.

I JUST, THERE THERE'S, I JUST DON'T SEE A NEED FOR 'EM BECAUSE OF THE OVER GROWTH ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF MY FENCE, AND I'LL JUST BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A YORK COUNTY DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

SO AT ANY TIME THE COUNTY CAN GO IN AND CLEAR ALL THAT BRUSH OUT AND THEN THERE'S NO VEGETATIVE BUFFER.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE HAD, WE HAD SAID FOR MR. WORLEY TO PUT IT ON HIS SIDE WAS JUST TO, BECAUSE HE OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND HE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, THOSE, AT LEAST ON THAT SIDE, THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE FENCE IS REALLY OUTSIDE OF THAT CONTROL.

SO WHOEVER OWNS THE DITCH, I'M, I BELIEVE IT'S A YORK COUNTY DRAINAGE EASEMENT IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE CLEARED AT ANY TIME.

SURE.

I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2006.

I BOUGHT THAT BUILDING.

THOSE TREES ARE BIGGER NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 2006.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CUT AND YEAH, THEY'RE USUALLY NOT CUT UNLESS IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.

SO LET'S KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED.

IT NEVER BECOMES A PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN, STAFF WOULD ARGUE TO KEEP IT JUST IN CASE.

IT'S, IT'S ONE ROW.

IT'S NOT EXCESSIVE.

UM, AS WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER PLACES WE TRY TO DO MORE LANDSCAPING THAN THAT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIMITATIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND SUCH, WE, WE, WE RECOMMENDED A SINGLE ROW IN THIS CASE.

OKAY.

I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK.

THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT AS IS, RIGHT? YEAH.

MR. CHAIR, I'LL MOVE PC 26 DASH 18 R.

THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO DOT PC 26 DASH 18 R TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A TOWING SERVICE AND IMPOUND YARD AT 1 26 AND 1 28 PRODUCTION DRIVE.

MR. BARI? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MR. WATMORE? YES.

MR. TIMBREL? YES.

MR. BROOKS? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

WITH THAT, WE, LET'S GO TO OLD BUSINESS.

NO OLD BUSINESS TONIGHT.

NO NEW BUSINESS.

NEW.

WE GOT NEW BUSINESS.

NO NEW BUSINESS.

UM,

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UM, SO YOU ALL HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT.

UM, I'LL NOTE THAT, UM, STANLEY PARK AUTO AND MIKE'S TOWING, THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE JULY BOARD MEETING.

UM, SOME SITE PLANS OF NOTE THAT YOU'D PROBABLY BE OF INTEREST IN THE TREE PLANTING AND COMMEMORATIVE PATH.

THAT WAS THE, UM, BATTLEFIELD TRUST PROPERTY THERE OFF CRAWFORD ROAD.

SO THEY'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR PUTTING IN THAT, UM, TRAIL AND PARKING AREA AND THEN DOING THE TREE PLANTINGS THERE.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME MOVEMENT ON THAT PROJECT HERE SOON.

UM, ALSO THE PAUSE PET RESORT, A COMMERCIAL KENNEL UP OFF OF LIGHTFOOT ROAD THAT WAS APPROVED.

THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED, UM, AND THAT, THAT SHOULD GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE SOON.

UH, WE ALSO, UH, HAVE A NEW, NEW CHIPOTLE RESTAURANT COMING IN UP OFF MOTOWN ROAD.

UM, IT'S GOING IN NEXT TO CLOSE TO WHERE THE DUTCH BROTHERS IS GONNA BE.

SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, AN INTERESTING SITE HAPPENING THERE.

AND I THINK WE JUST LEARNED THAT A CULVER'S ICE CREAM PLACE IS GONNA BE GOING ON NEXT TO IT.

UM, I THINK WE GOT THE PLAN IN FOR THAT RECENTLY TOO.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAD HIGHLIGHTED.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW STAFF TO TALK? YES, THAT WAS NEXT.

THAT WAS NEXT .

OKAY.

UM, SO, UH, ONE THING BEFORE WE GET TO THAT IS, UH, WE HAVE NO APPLICATIONS FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.

SO, UM, MR. BROOKS, WE CONTACTED MR. BROOKS AND HE WAS OKAY WITH US CANCELING THE NEXT MEETING.

I'LL ALSO SEND AN EMAIL OUT REMINDER OUT TO YOU, BUT THE, UH, NEXT MEETING HAS BEEN CANCELED.

UH, SO, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO APPLICATIONS FOR THAT.

AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, SEAN MCN.

HE IS OUR NEW SENIOR PLANNER.

UH, SEAN COMES, UH, WITH, UH, EIGHT YEARS OF EXPERIENCE FROM GLOUCESTER AND OTHER EXPERIENCE FROM OTHER PLACES BEFORE THAT.

UM, HE'S, UH, GOT TWO YOUNG CHILDREN AND, UH, IS A, IS A SPIDER-MAN FAN LIKE ME, .

AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, BO CLAYTON, WHO IS THE NEW ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH,

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UH, BO HAS HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND HAS, UH, DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK ALREADY SINCE JUST THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME HE'S BEEN HERE.

UM, HE HAD US IN HERE TODAY TALKING TO A NEW GROUP DOWNSTAIRS ABOUT A NEW GROCERY STORE COMING IN AND SO FORTH.

SO, UH, HE'S, UH, DOING A GREAT JOB.

I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE AND IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, HE'S VERY, UH, GOOD, GOOD CONVERSATIONAL, SO PLEASE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO HIM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAD.

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WE MET, UM, PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, UH, LAST WEEK, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING PLANNED FOR NEXT WEEK.

AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A, UH, GOOD SET OF BYLAWS, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW, UH, AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.

ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? WE, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, UH, WE DID, WE'RE KIND OF, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I'M SURE SPARKED THAT CONVERSATION WAS OUR MEETING TIMEFRAME.

SO WE DID HAVE A, A, A LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

AND IT, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE SEVEN O'CLOCK TIMEFRAME IS, IS MOST LIKELY GONNA STICK AROUND.

SO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID SPEND SOME TIME ON IT.

I SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, 6 42 BY THE SUNDIAL, BUT I WAS SHOT DOWN, SO, UH, YEAH, SOUNDS LIKE SEVEN O'CLOCK'S PROBABLY GONNA STAY.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO MORE COMMISSION, NO MORE COMMISSION REPORTS? NO, SIR.

NO.

ALL WITH THAT.

I'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.

THERE WE GO.