* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] EXCUSE. [A. Call to Order ] OH. ALRIGHT. I'M CALLING THIS AUGUST 4TH, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S WORK SESSION ORDER FULL CALL PLEASE. MR. ROY? YES. MRS. NOLL. HERE. MR. JURY. PRESENT. MR. RONE? HERE. MR. SHEPHERD. HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. STILL WAITING FOR FIVE DIFFERENT ANSWERS TO THAT RAW CALL. , BUT YOU REALLY WANT ALL THE SAME? WELL, WE SHOULD DO IT PROCEDURALLY. THE WORD IS PRESENT WORK SESSION. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCEDURE. SO, SORRY. OH MY GOD. IS THIS GONNA BE ONE? [1. School Facilities Presentation: Dr. James Carroll, Superintendent, York County School Division ] HAVE TO WORK SESSIONS? UM, MATT, I'LL HAVE YOU, UH, CALL ON, UH, DR. CARROLL FOR AN INTRODUCTION AND, UH, TAKE US INTO THIS. SO, WELCOME DR. CARROLL BACK FOR ANOTHER VISIT WITH THE BOARD. UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FACILITIES. HE'S BROUGHT HIS TEAM WITH HIM AND, UH, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY. AS A FOLLOW UP TO, UH, THE LAST TIME I THINK WE WERE TOGETHER, DR. CARROLL. THANK YOU, MR. BELLAMY AND MR. ROY, UH, BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN TONIGHT. UH, TO GIVE YOU A CURRENT PICTURE OF OUR FACILITIES AS A, AS WELL AS START THE DISCUSSION ON OUR FUTURE PLANS, I BROUGHT WITH ME TONIGHT OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, MR. BOWEN, AND OUR ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL PLANS AND PROJECTS, MR. KILBURN AND BOARD MEMBERS. IN THE PAST, WE'VE, UH, MIGHT HAVE COME IN AND SPOKEN ABOUT CERTAIN PROJECTS, UM, DONE THAT ON OCCASION, BUT NOT THE LARGER SCOPE OF OUR CAPITAL NEEDS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT. SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION FOR FOUR PHASES HERE. FIRST, WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR HISTORICAL APPROACH. UH, THE SECOND PIECE, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CIP YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THAT INCLUDES OUR PROJECTS. JUST FOCUSING ON OUR CIP THAT WE, UH, PAST LAST JANUARY, AND YOU ACCEPTED INTO THE BUDGET, UH, IN THE SPRING. UH, THEN WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW WE'VE STARTED A FACILITY STUDY, UH, A WHILE AGO, AND THEN WHERE OUR NEXT STEPS WITH THAT ARE. SO, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE HISTORIC APPROACH FIRST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT, BUT WE SIGNED A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, BETWEEN OUR TWO BOARDS IN AUGUST OF 1993. AND TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT THERE, THAT WAS THREE YEARS BEFORE GRAFTON WAS BUILT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DEAL MAKING OR WHATEVER TO, TO GET THAT BUILT. BUT, UH, WE ENTERED INTO THAT AT THAT TIME. AND IN THAT MOU, THERE'S KIND OF THREE MAJOR PIECES I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. UH, GENERAL GUIDELINES THAT WERE NOW GONNA BE REGARDED, UH, FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION DECISIONS. AND THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT WE WOULD USE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND EXPAND THEM AS A PREFERRED MEANS OF OBTAINING NEEDED STUDENT CAPACITY AS IT WAS NECESSARY, RATHER THAN CONSTRUCTING NEW BUILDINGS. AND THE SECOND PIECE WAS WHEN WE RENOVATED THAT WE SHOULD PLAN FOR ANY, UH, PROJECTED NEEDS OR ENROLLMENT FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT DECADE TO COME. AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT. AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR YOU ALL WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING PROGRAM CAPACITIES FOR PLANNING PURPOSES OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BEING AROUND 700 STUDENTS. MIDDLE SCHOOLS AROUND A THOUSAND AND HIGH SCHOOL, 1200 TO 1800. NOW, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS WE ONLY BUILT ONE SCHOOL AFTER, AFTER THIS, UH, AFTER THIS, UH, MOU WAS SIGNED. AND THERE WERE TWO ADDITIONAL PIECES TO IT THAT WERE TOOLS FOR US TO HELP, UH, HELP US BALANCE THINGS OUT AS NECESSARY. AND THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT WE WOULD USE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS PORTABLES. MM-HMM . UH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THINGS JUST FLEX. YOU HAVE ENROLLMENT SPIKES. YOU HAVE, UH, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE ECONOMIC, UH, UPTURNS AND DOWNTURNS. YOU HAVE MILITARY MOVEMENTS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO, TEMPORARY BUILDINGS WAS A WAY TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY BEFORE YOU MADE A BRICK AND MORTAR COMMITMENT. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THAT WE WOULD REDISTRICT STUDENTS AS, AS, AS NEEDED, WHICH NOBODY EVER ENJOYS. BUT, BUT IT IS A NECESSARY TOOL, UH, ON OCCASION. SO THIS AGREEMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE AND HONORED AND HAS BEEN OUR METHOD METHODOLOGY, UH, THAT WE'VE FOLLOWED FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. NOW. THE LATEST EXAMPLES ARE THE ADDITION AND RENOVATION AT SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. WE DID BOTH THERE. UH, THE NEW PORTABLE CLASSROOMS AT WALLER MILL TO ABSORB GROWTH AFTER REDISTRICTING. AND, UH, THE 2024 REDISTRICTING THAT WE DID, UH, WHERE WE MOVED STUDENTS BETWEEN WALLER MILL, MCGRUDER, YORKTOWN ELEMENTARY, AND SER. NOW, WE ONLY DID HALF THAT REDISTRICTING 'CAUSE WE KIND OF HIT A BOTTLENECK. AND THAT'S THE S THE PARKING LOT THAT THE SBO AND DARE ELEMENTARY SHARE. IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO ALLOW FOR MORE STUDENTS AT DARE. SO WE'VE DONE THE DESIGN WORK, BUT WE DO, WE DID NOT HIT THE WINDOW FOR [00:05:01] DOING THAT WORK THIS SUMMER. SO THAT WORK IS GOING TO GET DONE NEXT SUMMER, WHICH WILL EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT, WHICH THEN WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE THE REDISTRICTING, UH, BETWEEN DARE GRAFTON, BETHEL, COVENTRY, AND TAB ELEMENTARY. SO WHERE WE'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST, UH, OUR CAPACITY LIMITS AT THOSE SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW WILL BE ABLE TO RELIEVE, UH, SOME OF THAT. SO LET'S LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES, SPECIFICALLY OUR SCHOOLS. UH, I SHARED THIS THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN I WAS WITH YOU THAT, UH, THE AVERAGE AGE OF OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS IS 55 YEARS OLD. AND IF WE INCLUDE OUR OPERATIONAL BUILDINGS, THAT AVERAGE INCREASES A LITTLE BIT. BUT I KNOW THAT THE FOCUS FOR MOST PEOPLE IS ON OUR SCHOOLS. AND UP HERE YOU SEE THE AGES OF EACH OF THOSE SCHOOLS WHEN THEY WERE BUILT. AND LET'S LOOK AT THE OLDEST AND THE NEWEST. SO IF YOU FOCUS ON OUR OLDEST SCHOOL BUILDING, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 1954, WHICH I THINK FOR SOME OF US THAT ARE A LITTLE OLDER, AND DOESN'T SEEM AS FAR BACK AS WE WE WANT TO THINK. BUT, UH, THOSE SCHOOLS ARE NOW 72 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR. AND THE LIFESPAN OF A SCHOOL BUILDING IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED, ROUGHLY 75 YEARS, UH, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW YEARS. SO, BUT THESE THREE ARE COMING UP, UH, ALONG THAT KIND OF GENERAL GUIDELINE. AND NONE OF THEM ARE IN OUR CURRENT SIX YEAR HORIZON ON THE CIP. SO WE DON'T PLAN ON VISITING THEM IN THE SHORT TERM. SO, UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, SHORT HIGH SCHOOL, YORKTOWN MIDDLE SCHOOL IN GRAFTON, BETHEL. NOW AT THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM, YOU HAVE OUR NEWEST FACILITIES. AND I ALREADY MENTIONED GRAFTON SCHOOL COMPLEX, WHICH WAS BUILT EXACTLY 30 YEARS AGO, UH, THIS YEAR, 1996. AND SIX YEARS BEFORE THAT WAS MCGRUDER ELEMENTARY, UH, WHICH IS NOW 36 YEARS OLD. AND SO AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO PASS IT TO, UH, MR. BOWEN TO TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, HOW WE COME UPON UPON THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AND, UH, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR CURRENT MOST RECENT PROGRAM. SO, MR. BOWEN, THANK YOU, DR. CARROLL. UM, SO OUR, OUR CIP HOW DO WE CONSTRUCT OR HOW DO WE DEVELOP OUR CIP, THESE ARE THE TYPICAL PROJECTS THAT, UM, THAT CAN BE FOUND IN OUR CIP, CERTAINLY NEW CONSTRUCTION RENOVATIONS, ADDITIONS, HVAC, REPLACEMENT, ROOF REPAIRING, SOME OTHER PROJECTS. UM, SO ANYONE THAT OWNS A OWNS A HOME IS CERTAINLY AWARE THAT THEY HAVE MAJOR SYSTEMS THAT HAVE A LIFE CYCLE, UH, ROOFS, HVAC, APPLIANCES, FURNACES, AND WATER TOOLS. WE HAVE THE SAME WITH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LIFE EXPECTATIONS, UM, THAT ARE LARGER, MORE COMPLEX, AND CERTAINLY MORE EXPENSIVE. THE POINT HERE IS THAT CAPITAL SPENDING IS AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE PROCESS THAT HAS TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT ENROLLMENT GROWTH. ANOTHER POINT IS THAT WHEN WE DO RENOVATION, WE MAY NOT BE BACK IN THAT BUILDING FOR ANOTHER 20, 25 YEARS. SO WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE SOME OF OUR OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOW APPROACHING 75 YEARS OF AGE, IF WE DO A SMALLER RENOVATION, UH, IN 10, UH, 15 YEARS, IT MAY BE THAT THE AGE OF THAT BUILDING IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD BEFORE WE COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER RENOVATION. SO PROJECTS ARE PLACED ON OUR CIP, UH, BASED ON A VARIETY OF FACTORS, UH, BUT INCLUDE INSTRUCTIONAL CAPACITY, SECURITY CONCERNS, AGE OF THE STRUCTURE, BUILDING CONDITIONS, AND, AND MOST CERTAINLY THE COST. NOW, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS A, JUST A SYNOPSIS OF OUR CURRENTLY APPROVED, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. WE'VE CONDENSED IT DOWN JUST REALLY TO SHOW YOU THE BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON OUR SIX YEAR PLAN. UM, AND THEN WE'VE WRAPPED UP SOME OF THE, MANY OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS IN THE, IN THE VERY LAST LINE OF OTHER PROJECTS, UM, FOR SOME YEARS NOW. DR. CARROLL HAS SHARED IN HIS FACILITIES MASTER PLAN PRESENTATIONS AND IN DISCUSSION WITH BOARD STAFF THAT SOME OF THE SMALLER ITEMS WE'RE WRAPPING UP. AND WE WERE GOING TO HIT A STRETCH OF BIGGER PROJECTS ON THE HORIZON. AND THAT HORIZON IS NOW HERE , WE HAVE ALL BUT SECURED FUNDING FOR THE TAB HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT. AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE FY 26, E 27 AND 28 COLUMNS. THE NEXT TWO PROJECTS, UH, IN LINE ARE QUEENS LAKE AND WALLER MILL. AND I'LL TAKE A MINUTE, UM, WITH JUST EACH OF THESE. QUEENS LAKE WAS LAST RENOVATED IN TWO, 2004. AND CURRENTLY WE ARE STRUGGLING, STRUGGLING WITH EMERGING LEAKS AND SHINGLED AREAS OF THE ROOF. THE HVAC IS DUE FOR REPLACEMENT, BUT WE ARE MOST IN NEED OF SPACE, BOTH CLASSROOM AND COMMON AREA. QUEENS LAKE IS AT CAPACITY, UM, I'M SORRY, QUEENS LAKE IS AT CAPACITY, IS ONLY HAS A BRICK AND MORTAR INSTRUCTIONAL CAPACITY OF 540 STUDENTS, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF ALL OF OUR OTHER MIDDLE SCHOOLS AS CURRENTLY ZONED. WALLER MILL IS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITH MOST VULNERABLE. THAT IS MOST VULNERABLE TO SIGNIFICANT GROWTH. IT WAS PLACED ON THE CIP WHERE IT IS, AND WE CAN MONITOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY [00:10:01] FOR WHAT ELEMENTARY ENROLLMENT NUMBERS IT WILL YIELD BEFORE COMMITTING TO THE SIZE OF ADDITIONAL SPACE. NOW, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE, IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT OUR CURRENT SIX YEAR PLAN HAS A TOTAL FUNDING OF ROUGHLY $117 MILLION, A HUNDRED MILLION OF WHICH WILL BE FUNDED BY BONDS SECURED BY THE COUNTY THAT REQUIRED DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS. AND THIS IS A TYPICAL RANGE FOR US. AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF OUR OLDEST BUILDINGS. DR. REFERENCED EARLIER, WELL, IF I COULD ASK JUST ONE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD THE TYPICAL COST BE OF A NEW BUILD OR AN ELEMENTARY MIDDLE SCHOOL HIGH SCHOOL? FOR A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? WE'RE LOOKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND $50 MILLION, DEPENDING, UM, IF WE HAVE AVAILABLE LAND, IF WE DON'T HAVE A LAND, IT'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL COST. UM, WE, WE SEE COSTS FOR MIDDLE SCHOOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 60 TO, TO A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, DEPENDING AGAIN, ON LAND PURCHASES. AND THEN ON HIGH SCHOOL IN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, PRETTY CLOSE TO 200 MILLION FOR A HIGH SCHOOL. YEAH. WELL, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THOSE HIGH SCHOOLS. AND I THINK I'VE SAID THIS TO THE BOARD BEFORE, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF WINNING ARCHITECTS AWARDS, BUT YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT A LARGE NUMBER. THANK YOU. SO IS QUEENS LAKE THE ONLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL YOU GOT UP THERE AND YOU DISTRICT IT'S NOT ELEMENTARY, IT'S MIDDLE. WELL, NO, THERE'S A OH, I I RIGHT SAYS MIDDLE. OKAY. WALLER, MILL AND MILL. OKAY. WALLER MILL IS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? YES. OKAY. AND THEN QUEENS LAKE'S, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. YES, SIR. AND WE ALSO HAVE MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY. WE HAVE MAGRUDER UP THERE, DON'T YOU? YES. HOW MANY MAGRUDER THAT WE THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW? WE ARE AROUND 600. AND WHAT'S A MAX? UH, WE'VE PUSHED IT TO JUST OVER 700. IT'S BEEN WHEN IT'S GOT, THAT'S WHEN THE REDISTRICTING KICKED IN AND MOVED ABOUT 150 DOWN. OKAY. SO BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, UH, OUR CI PS HAD A TENURE. CAN I, CAN I PAUSE YOU RIGHT THERE FOR A SECOND? I THINK THE BOARD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE REDISTRICTING PART HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT GROWTH IN THAT AREA AND, AND, UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S THE AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE MORE GROWTH. 'CAUSE YOU GOT MORE LAND UP THERE FOR, FOR GROWTH AND, AND HOMES. SO, UM, AND YOU'VE IN, YOU'VE INDICATED THAT, LIKE, WHAT WAS IT, MCGRUDER, THE ONE YOU SAID THAT WAS, UH, MAXING OUT FARM. MILL. MILL. OKAY. SO, SO ON THIS PLAN HERE, WHERE'S THE NEW SCHOOLS? THERE ARE NO NEW SCHOOLS. WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION. DO YOU, DO YOU NEED NEW SCHOOLS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE OPERATING UNDER AN MOU THAT WE EXPAND, UH, AND WE REDISTRICT OR WE DO SOME OTHER TOOL THAT WE DO BEFORE WE CONSIDER NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION. SO THE M WELL, OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE MOU IS YOUR GUIDANCE, YOU AGREE TO GUIDANCE HERE, BUT IN THE END, WE HAVE STUDENTS. OKAY. IF I GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT 55-YEAR-OLD SCHOOLS ALRIGHT. EDUCATION BACK THE END AND POPULATION WERE WAY DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE TODAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU JUMP FORWARD HERE, YOU GOT A LOT MORE PEOPLE. OKAY. 55, 55 YEARS AGO, WE GOT A LOT MORE PEOPLE. AND THE EDUCATION NEEDS HAVE CHANGED AND STRUCTURE HAS CHANGED. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN REMODEL THE SCHOOLS, UH, TO MEET THE NEW, ALL THE NEW STUDENT REQUIREMENTS OR THE, THE EDUCATIONAL REQUIREMENTS. ARE YOU GONNA DO, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA BUILD A NEW SCHOOL? WELL, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER, BUT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AT THE END. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO BOARD MEMBERS, WE, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, OUR CIPS HAD A 10 YEAR HORIZON. AND THE COUNTY STAFF ASKED US TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO SIX, UH, AT THAT TIME. SO WE DID, UH, STAFF HAS NOW REQUESTED, WE GO TO A 15 YEAR MODEL TO BETTER FORECAST THE BROADER PICTURE. MM-HMM. AND WE AGREE WITH THIS LONGER HORIZON. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, UH, WHAT'S OUT OF SIGHT IS OUTTA MIND. SO NEW PROJECTS SIX YEARS OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEN START TO HIT THE OUTER YEARS AND IT FEELS LIKE A SURPRISE. 'CAUSE WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? BUT AS I STATED EARLIER, THE NEED IS ALWAYS THERE. THE CLOCK IS ALWAYS TICKING AND MAINTENANCE DEFERRED IS MAINTENANCE THAT EITHER ENDS UP BEING MORE EXPENSIVE DOWN THE ROAD OR SNOWBALLS INTO OTHER PROJECTS. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IN AT TAB HIGH WHERE WE HAD A RENOVATION DUE. WE ALSO HAD SOME SMALLER PROJECTS WE DID OTHER PLACES. AND WE SAID, WELL, LET'S PUT THAT OFF TILL THE RENOVATION. SO THE SCOPE GOT LARGER AND LARGER. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH A REVISED FORECAST, THEN BRINGING IN A THIRD PARTY TO EVALUATE OUR FACILITIES AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATION WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. GET SOME FRESH EYES ON IT. SO WE CONTRACTED FOR THAT BACK IN MARCH FOR, UH, STUDY. AND NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. KILBURN TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT STUDY. [00:15:01] MR. KILBURN. THANK YOU DR. CARROLL. UH, SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THAT TIMELINE. UM, INVOLVED 2025. UH, WE WERE ASKED TO START LOOKING TOWARDS THAT 15 YEAR CIP OUTLOOK, UM, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN DOING INTERNALLY, UM, VERY QUICKLY. AND ACTUALLY THANK YOU MR. SHEPHERD, BECAUSE THAT LED TO A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO WHERE WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED SOME OUTSIDE CONSULTING. AND SO THAT'S WHEN WE REACHED OUT IN MARCH, HAD THAT CONTRACT ISSUED, UM, A WEEK OF APRIL 13TH, WE CONDUCTED. WHAT DOES THAT CONTRACT COST YOU? SOME SOME CHANGE. SOME CHANGE. ABOUT 300. 300,000. ALRIGHT. AND SO YOU'RE USING THEM TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW? NO, THEY, SO SOME, YES. I'LL BE HONEST, YES. BUT, BUT THEY ARE COMING TO US WITH THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF AS WELL. SO, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE SOME VERY INTERESTING IDEAS. UM, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT FINAL REPORT YET, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY GONNA DIVE INTO THOSE TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, BUT IT HAS BEEN WORTH BRINGING THEM INTO US. UM, THE WEEK AFTER SPRING BREAK, WE DID GO AND DO A FULL WALKTHROUGHS OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS, INCLUDING EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL, THE ACADEMY, AND ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL BUILDINGS. UM, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS WITH THEM AND ADDITIONAL INTERNAL STAFF SO THAT WE COULD BRAINSTORM, TALK ABOUT WHAT'S WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING, UM, TO TRY AND GUIDE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US. UM, AND SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT MOU THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF YORK HIGH SCHOOL AND HOW OUR AGREEMENT TO EXPAND HAS IMPACTED THE CAMPUS AT YORK HIGH SCHOOL. THE GREEN SECTION OF THIS IMAGE IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING OF YORK HIGH. SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN SIX ADDITIONAL EXPANSIONS FILLING THAT CAMPUS UP. SO WHAT WE'VE LED TO AND WHY WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ENDING UP WITH IS UNDERSIZED CAMPUSES, SMALLER CLASSROOM SIZES, UNDERSIZED PARKING LOTS, AND DRIVEWAYS AND DATED INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I'LL CLARIFY DATED NOT DATA. UM, BECAUSE REALLY WHAT I'M TYING INTO THERE IS ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS, SEWER LINES. IF WE DON'T UPGRADE THOSE, WHEN WE DO THE RENOVATIONS, THEN THEY JUST CONTINUE TO AGE, CONTINUE TO AGE. WE HAVE ORIGINAL SEWER LINES IN MOST OF SEWER OF YORK HIGH SCHOOL. UM, AND THAT DOES LEAD TO PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH. UM, SO, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM TODAY, WE HAVE NOT REALLY DONE ANY MAJOR EXPANSION OR RENOVATION AT, AT YORK HIGH EXCEPT FOR THE ROOF IN 20 YEARS. SO WHERE WOULD IT BE? THE, UH, UH, THE FIELD, THE FIELD, UH, IS BEHIND THE RED BUILDING IN THE UPPER LEFT, RIGHT? NO, BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S, THAT WAS AN UP, THAT WAS AN UPGRADE. THAT, BUT THAT WASN'T A FULL, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE 2006. SO IT'S BEEN 20 YEARS. I KNOW. BUT THAT SEE, THAT, THAT, SO WE OWN SUGARCOAT THIS TOO MUCH. OKAY. THE POINT IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE FINDING OUT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPACE, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES HERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE LAND YOU'RE ON, YOU CAN LITERALLY FILL IT UP WITH BUILDINGS, BUT YOU DON'T MEET THE EDUCATIONAL NEEDS OF THE STUDENTS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. IT'S GONNA REQUIRE YOU BEING OUTSIDE. RIGHT? I MEAN, TELL ME YOU'RE THE TEACHERS, RIGHT? WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY WE'RE NOT MEETING THE NEEDS. WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT AT TIMES. AND, UH, SO THINGS WHEN WE'RE JUST ADDING ON, YOU TAKE OLD BUILDINGS, THOSE CLASSROOMS WERE BUILT UNDER A DIFFERENT TIME, DIFFERENT GUIDELINES FOR THE SIZES OF CLASSROOMS. MM-HMM . SO WE GET INTO A SITUATION LIKE SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHERE THE OLD RE THE ROOMS THAT WERE RENOVATED ARE STILL THE ORIGINAL SIZE. BUT IN THE NEW WING WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THEM LARGER AND THE FOLLOWING VDOE GUIDELINES FOR THE TIME. UH, THEN ANOTHER ISSUE IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNDERSIZED CAMPUSES, BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, BUILT BEFORE GRAFTON, WERE ALL ONE STORY MM-HMM . AND SO WE'VE SPREAD THEM OUT ON A SMALLER CAMPUS, BUT YOU'RE SPREAD OUT. YOU HAVEN'T GONE VERTICALLY AT ALL. AND, UM, THE ONLY, AND THEY'RE NOT BUILT TO GO UP, THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO JUST ADD A SECOND FLOOR. AND THEREFORE, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND HORIZONTALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO EAT UP SOME OF THE FIELD SPACE, WHICH THEN GETS INTO OUR OTHER AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, PARK SPACE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, SO IT GETS, IT JUST MAKES IT HARDER TO DO. SO VER GOING VERTICAL IS DEFINITELY A SOLUTION, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT EXCEPT FOR A GRAFTON. BUT YOU HAVE TO TEAR, WHICH IS IRONICALLY IN OUR LARGEST TRACK, YOU HAVE TO TEAR STUFF DOWN TO BE ABLE TO BUILD IT UP. YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. DON'T HAVE FUNDING TO BE, UH, SOME CAMPUSES YOU WOULD HAVE TO. SOMETIMES SOME YOU DON'T. SO GOING BACK TO THE, THE FACILITY STUDY AND THE CONTRACTORS, WE ASKED THEM TO COME IN AND DO FOUR PRIMARY SECTIONS, UH, A FULL CONDITION ASSESSMENT, AND THEN FUTURE SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT WORKSHOPS WITH THE INTERNAL STAFF, AND THEN PROVIDE FOR US A RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT. RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, [00:20:01] WE ASKED FOR THEM TO ESTABLISH A THRESHOLD AND A RATIONALE FOR WHEN REPLACEMENT MADE BETTER FISCAL SENSE THAN A HEAVY RENOVATION. WHERE WE HAVE URGENCY IS THAT WE'RE ALREADY INTO THE DESIGN OF QUEENS LAKE'S ROOF, AND WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN ANY NOVEL SOLUTIONS THAT CONSULTANTS HAVE TO OFFER FOR ADDRESSING THE UPPER COUNTY THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE CIP SHARED EARLIER. UH, SO EVEN THOUGH WE DO NOT HAVE THE FULL FINAL REPORT FROM THESE CONSULTANTS, WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF SIX CRITICAL ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED WITHIN YOUR COUNTY SCHOOLS. THOSE THREE STEPS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. AM I YES. YES. THEY, THE, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A, A SLIDE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO, IF I MAY MM-HMM . A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS. SO THE FIRST CRITICAL ISSUE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED IS TEACHING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WHILE THIS IS NOT ONE OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, , UM, AS MR. SHEPHERD POINTED OUT, THE TIMES CHANGE, RIGHT. INSTRUCTIONAL NEEDS CHANGE, BOTH FOR THE TEACHERS AND FOR THE STUDENTS. WHETHER IT IS, YOU KNOW, IN A CLASSROOM OR WHETHER IT'S ON AN ATHLETIC FIELD, THIS WOULD NOT MEET TODAY'S NEEDS. RIGHT. AND SO THE AGREEMENTS WE WERE UNDER 30 YEARS AGO MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE AS WELL. YOU'RE POINTING OUT WE MIGHT NEED TO GO CHANGE SCHOOL UP, REBUILD THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT TO EMPHASIZE HERE, 14 OUT OF OUR 18 SCHOOLS WERE BUILT BEFORE 1980. SO 56 YEARS. YEAH. WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS YOU GOT A POINT. YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY THEY'RE OLD. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE TALKING TO A GUY THAT, WHEN I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1935, AND I HAD MY KIDS WENT TO, WENT TO SCHOOL IN EUROPE WHERE THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1830. SO YOU CAN HAVE AN OLD BUILDING, OKAY. AS LONG AS IT'S BUILT WELL, OKAY. IT'S GOT GOOD BONES TO IT, AND YOU CAN ADAPT IT TO THE TECHNOLOGY NEEDS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOES ALONG WITH IT. RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU'RE STRESSING THAT YOU GUYS DO THE, CONSTANTLY DO THIS STRESS, THE AGE OF THESE BUILDINGS. BUT THE THING THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH 'EM? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? LET ME TIE THAT IN TWO SLIDES AHEAD OF HERE. UM, AND I'LL JUST JUMP TO IT IF THAT'S OKAY. SO WE USED, UM, IN THIS STUDY WHAT WAS CALLED THE FCI FACILITY CONDITION. UH, UM, SO IT'S THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO UPGRADE A BUILDING AND THEN THE RENEWAL COST TO UPGRADE A BUILDING, ALL DIVIDED BY WHAT THE CURRENT REPLACEMENT VALUE WOULD BE. SO MY RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE, WHEN IS IT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO TEAR DOWN AND BUILD NEW VERSUS DOING A SUPER HEAVY RENOVATION TO GET IT UP TO DAY-TO-DAY STANDARDS MM-HMM . SO TO GO IN AND RIP DOWN LOAD-BEARING WALLS THROUGHOUT ALL OF DARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO EXPAND IT TO MODERN VDE STANDARDS FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE PER STUDENTS AND THE NETWORKS, AND GET THE CMU OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL HELP WITH TECHNOLOGY. UM, THAT'S ALL STARTING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO BUILD NEW THAN IT IS TO DO THESE HEAVY RENOVATIONS. THAT THAT'S ASSUMING IF YOU TRY TO DO IT ALL AT AT ONCE, IF YOU BUILD, IF YOU REBUILD A SECTION AT THE TIME, COST EQUATION'S DIFFERENT. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THAT IS WE HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT THOSE KIDS WHILE WE REBUILD. OKAY, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT 'EM IF YOU REBUILD ALL SCHOOL? THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING. AND THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IN THE CONSULTANTS. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TODAY. WELL, I, MY MY CONCERN IN ALL THIS WILL BE THAT WE DO IT SOONER THAN LATER. OKAY. I MEAN, UH, IF WE WANT TO HEAR A LOT OF SCREAMING AND HOLLERING, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS PUT TRAILERS OUT SOMEWHERE. OKAY. AND THEN WE START GETTING IT AFTER A WHILE. PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THAT. AND WE, WE DO THAT. WE, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING REMODELING AND YOU'RE GONNA WITHIN A REASONABLE TIMELINE. BUT WHEN YOU GOT KIDS SITTING IN A TRAILERS GOING TO DOING EDUCATION FOR MAYBE UP TO FIVE YEARS, OR THE TRAILERS ARE SITTING THERE, PARENTS TO SEE TRAILERS, TRAILERS, TRAILERS, AND THAT'LL LOOK GOOD. SO, YO, I'M, I'M KIND OF WAITING FOR THE SHOE TO DROP ON ON THIS AND I NEED, AND I I SORRY IF I'M A LITTLE PARANOID ABOUT IT, BUT KNOWING THE COST OF THESE, THESE SCHOOLS, AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU ARE VERY CONCERNED. WELL, YOU WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE IN THE SCHOOL. SCHOOL COST TO ME. AND WHAT I KNOW ABOUT HIGH SCHOOLS, THAT THE SCHOOL, THAT IT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE FIND A HIGH SCHOOL COST OF $200 MILLION. OH. AND FINDING A A MIDDLE SCHOOL PROBABLY COST YOU 125 TO $130 MILLION AND A, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SOMEWHERE AROUND ABOUT 80 MILLION. NOT IN THE LOWER END, BUT IN THE HIGHER END AND, AND EVERYTHING'S GOING UP. SO I'M JUST, I'M CONCERNED, I'M REALLY CONCERNED, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA TAKE THIS IN A RATIONAL MANNER AND YOU WANT TO DO IT SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO STUMBLING TO THE POINT THAT WE ALL OF A SUDDEN END UP BUILDING TWO OR THREE SCHOOLS. WELL, FIRST, LEMME ASSURE YOU, MR. [00:25:01] SHE, THAT YOU ALL ARE THE ONES THAT DECIDE IF YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US THE FUNDING TO DO THAT. WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING HERE A LITTLE WORRIED. . AND, AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, LOOK, WHEN WE GET, HAVE THAT JOINT MEETING AND WHEN THE CONSULTANTS MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN AS THEY HAVE COME UP WITH SOME NOVEL, UM, SOLUTIONS TO SOME THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT, BUT I THINK WE ALL, UH, AROUND THIS TABLE AND AROUND OUR TABLE, ARE THAT THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH PACING YOU CAN DO. I MEAN, WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HALF OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE 50 YEARS OLD AND OLDER, BUT WE CAN'T REPLACE THEM ALL. NOR WOULD I MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE SOME, UH, AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS, WHEN WE GET TO THEM, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE POINT MR. KILBURN IS MAKING RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN OLDER BUILDING, IS THIS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS? UH, I THINK ACTUALLY, MR. HORO, YOU AND I HAD THAT DISCUSSION AROUND TAB HYATT AT SOME POINT WAS ISN'T IT CHEAPER JUST TO GO NEW? YES, IT'S, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE IS. YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THOSE THINGS. SO, UH, WOULD I SAY THAT WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL 18 BUILDINGS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND YOU CAN'T, AND YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY DO IT, AND IT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFECTIVE. BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO START ENTERTAINING THOUGHT. THERE ARE SOME, SOME SPOTS WHERE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE AS WE SAID EARLIER, THE NEXT TIME YOU COME AROUND IT, A BUILDING'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED, 10, 115 YEARS OLD, OR THE NEXT TIME AFTER THAT, IT'S GONNA BE 140 YEARS OLD. SO WE DO HAVE TO START THINKING THAT WAY. THIS DIVISION BUILT 18 SCHOOLS IN A 46 YEAR SPAN, AND NOW IT, IT'S JUST BEEN HODGEPODGE SINCE. I THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT IT, BE PURPOSEFUL ABOUT IT, AND AT LEAST SEE WHAT SOME OPPORTUNITIES ARE, UH, FOR WHERE WE SHOULD START TO PICK OUR SPOTS. OKAY. ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN, IF WE THINK, LET'S FORGET THE BUILDINGS. OKAY. LET'S JUST THINK OF THE LAND AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE OF IT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SPOTS THAT WE CAN PUT SCHOOLS ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK AND TELL US. AND WE, AND, AND IS IT CHEAPER TO GO OVER AND MOVE HOMES OFF OF PROPERTY? OR IS IT JUST CHEAPER TO BUY THE RAW PROPERTY IN PREPARATION FOR THE SCHOOLS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER IS GONNA BE THE RAW LAND. NO, THE ANSWER IS YOU TEAR DOWN THE SCHOOL ON THE EXISTING SITE AND REBUILD A TWO STORY. MM-HMM . MAYBE. AND THEN YOU GOT, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVEN'T, BUT SEE, THAT'S A LOT MORE DESIRABLE FROM A LAND USE STANDPOINT, RIGHT? OH YEAH, I AGREE. YOU DO THAT, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA HOUSE THOSE STUDENTS. YOU GOTTA PUT STUDENTS SOMEWHERE. CORRECT. RIGHT. WHICH IS GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, OR YOU PUT 'EM IN 50 YARDS TO TRAILERS, TEMPORARY REDISTRICTING, OR YOU FORSAKE SOME OF THE, UH, ATHLETIC LAND IN A SHORT TERM WHILE YOU BUILD NEW, AND THEN YOU, YOU RECONFIGURE THE OLD BUILDINGS AND, AND RECLAIM THAT LAND FOR FIELDS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE WANNA SUSPEND JUDGMENT TILL WE GET TO THOSE, UH, YEAH, THOSE DOWN TO THAT, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. ALRIGHT, I'M DONE. I CAN SEE LAN EVAPORATE, POSSIBLY PICK IT UP REPORT. RIGHT. ONCE WE SEE THE REPORT, THEN WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. YEAH, LET'S MOVE ON. LET'S GET HIM MOVING. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU CAN FINISH THAT, JUST FINISH THIS SLIDE. UM, BASICALLY WHAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS IS, IS THEIR, UH, CITED CRITICAL ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY CITED AS WELL. QUEENS LAKE BEING AN ISSUE. TAV HIGH. MM-HMM . NEW YORK HIGH ANNEX, WHICH WE VIEW AS PART OF OUR OPERATIONS COMPLEX. BOTH OF THOSE WERE ALL HIGH ON THEIR, UH, FACILITY CONDITIONS. INDEX WAS THE WORD I WAS MISSING. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE ALL VISIBLE ON OUR CIP FROM 2027. SO, AND, AND REPEAT FOR ME, FCI BASICALLY MEANS THE COST OF FIXING IS APPROACHING THE COST OF REPLACING ANY UPGRADES THAT WE HAVE TO DO, THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO. SO IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, A DA, IF IT'S AN EXPANSION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PLUS RENEWAL COSTS DIVIDED BY THE REPLACEMENT VALUE. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT A ONE TO ONE RATIO OR IS IT ONE-TO-ONE IN TERMS OF IF THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ONE IS HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, YOU GO WITH THE LOWER ONE? OR IS IT, OR IS THERE SOME OTHER IT'S A JUDGMENT, NEW NUANCES TO THAT JUDGMENT CALL. SO IT IS A JUDGMENT CALL. IT, IT REALLY IS. UM, AND IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION AT THE TIME. YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GUYS POINTED OUT SOME CAMPUSES COULD SUPPORT OR REBUILD WHILE WE SET, MAKE SOME SACRIFICES AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE THOSE KIDS SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, WHEREAS SOME WOULD INCUR OTHER COSTS. TRANSPORTATION, UM, JUST POLITICAL. SO IT'S NOT A, A ONE-STOP ANSWER, BUT FCI IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR YOU CONSIDER MAKING THAT DECISION. YEAH, RIGHT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WONDER WHAT [00:30:01] THEIR ALGORITHM RECOMMENDATION IS, IF IT'S ONE HIGHER OR THE OTHER, OR IS IT A FACTOR OF 1.5 OR WE GET INTO THAT WITH PERCENT. UH, THE SECOND CRITICAL ISSUE THEY POINTED OUT WAS THE CAPACITY IMBALANCE. SO WHILE THE DIVISION DOES HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY OVERALL, UTIL UTILIZATION VARIES THROUGH SCHOOLS AND NETWORKS. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE SIX ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS WHO ARE OPERATING ABOVE CAPACITY WHILE DARE AND YORKTOWN MIDDLE ARE RESPECTIVELY, 72 TO 74% UTILIZED. UM, THAT CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR WITH OUR PROGRAM ASSIGNMENTS. AND I WOULD JUMP IN THERE AND REMIND YOU THAT THE DARE IS UNDERUTILIZED, BUT IT'S THERE TO BE HAD WHEN WE CONTINUE THE REDISTRICTING. AND SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. ALSO, I'D REMIND THE BOARD, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRICK AND MORTAR MM-HMM . BECAUSE WE DO USE EMPLOYEE, I THINK IT'S AROUND 20 PORTABLE UNITS TOO TO HELP US FLEXIBILITY, UH, ISSUES FOUR AND FIVE, I'M GONNA TIE TOGETHER. BUT NUMBER FOUR WAS CITED AS THE HOUSING PIPELINE PRESSURE. SO AS OF OCTOBER, 2025, OVER 1200 APPROVED, PENDING OR PLANNED HOUSING UNITS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE QUEENS LAKE AND BREWTON ATTENDANCE ZONE AND 400 IN NEW YORK. AND YORKTOWN ZONE SIGNALING SUSTAINED ENROLLMENT PRESSURE, WHICH LEADS TO ENROLLMENT GROWTH CORRIDORS. THE BRUTON ZONE IS EXPERIENCING THE STRONGEST GROWTH WITH WALL MIDDLE ELEMENTARY, THE MOST VULNERABLE FOR RAPID GROWTH. AND SEAFORD IS ALSO EXPERIENCING MEANINGFUL GROWTH. THE SIXTH ISSUE, WHICH DR. CAR ACTUALLY JUST TOUCHED ON WAS THAT WE ARE USING PORTABLES AND THEY DO HAVE A LIFECYCLE. WE HAVE 18 PORTABLE UNITS THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL DIVISION. SOME ARE OWNED AND SOME ARE LEASED. THE MAJORITY OF WHICH WERE INSTALLED BETWEEN 1992 AND 2009. DIDN'T YOU RUN INTO A BUS SAW WHEN YOU TRIED TO THE DISTRICT WATERMILL MILL? NOT A BUZZ SAW, BUT WE, WE DID HAVE SOME RESISTANCE AND WE ADJUSTED IT. UH, IT WAS KIND OF AN UNORTHODOX, I CALL IT THE DONUT HOLE OF THE MARQUEE AREA. AND SO WE'RE SHIFT, WE'VE SHIFTED THEM OVER TO WALLER MILL. UH, BUT, BUT UH, IT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. I THOUGHT WE ACTUALLY HAD A VERY SMOOTH PROCESS WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, SO, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS NOT YET RECEIVED THE FINISHED FACILITY STUDY, AS WE SAID. AND AS SUCH, NO PRIORITIES OR IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED. AND FOR THAT REASON, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DELVE INTO THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY RECEIVED THEM YET. WE HAVE, HOWEVER, DISCUSSED WITH COUNTY STAFF HAVING A JOINT MEETING ORGANIZED TO JOINTLY RECEIVE, UH, THE REPORT AS SOON AS WE CAN ARRANGE IT, WHERE WE CAN GET ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS OF BOTH BOARDS, UH, IN ATTENDANCE. UH, THEN AS YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE IN NOVEMBER, OUR NEW CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER, MELISSA PEDIGREE, UH, WE'LL PRESENT OUR LATEST FMP, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A NEW 15 YEAR, UH, RECOMMENDED PLAN AS WE EXPAND FROM THE SIXTH. AND THEN OUR NEW CFO AT THAT TIME, PLAYER TO BE NAMED LATER, UH, WILL PRESENT THE CIP AT THE DECEMBER WORK SESSION. AND SO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. WHEN, WHEN DO YOU THINK IS JOINT MEETINGS GONNA BE I'D TO, I'D LIKE TO BE SOONER THAN LATER. I MEAN, I REALLY LIKE SOMETHING ARE YOU TALKING A MONTH? YEAH, IN THE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, UH, TIMEFRAME. WE DO HAVE TO OPEN SCHOOL ON AUGUST 24TH, AND, UH, THAT CAN BE A VERY, UH, BUSY WEEK FOR US THAT WEEK. UH, ACTUALLY WE HAVE OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETING THAT MONDAY, UM, FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL. THAT'S GREAT. UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT SOONER OR LATER. THE, UM, THE CO THE CONTRACTOR IS READY TO, TO DO, TO FINISH UP. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO THAT JOINT MEETING. UH, THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE WAS A LOT YOU RIVER ACADEMY, YOU TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE EXPANSION THERE, BUT HOW IS THAT LOOKING FOR ENROLLMENT? UH, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE NUMBERS, UH, SPECIFICALLY. UH, WE START TO REALLY LOOK AT NUMBERS AS WE GET INTO THAT KIND OF T MINUS 10 DAYS. YEAH. UH, THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND AUGUST 10TH, AUGUST 11TH. WE START TO REALLY LOOK, YOU KNOW, HONE IN ON HOW OUR ENROLLMENT'S LOOKING HISTORICALLY. HAS THAT BEEN CONSTRAINED WHERE YOU HAVE STUDENTS WHO WANT TO ATTEND THERE BUT CAN'T BECAUSE OF SPACE OR, I THINK IT'S A MIX. IT'S THE, UH, I THINK, UH, WE'VE HAD YEARS WHERE WE DIDN'T COME CLOSE TO FULL ENROLLMENT. UH, IT HAS DONE BETTER THE LAST FEW YEARS. UH, SO THERE IS SOME CONSTRAINMENT THERE AND THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT IF WE WERE TO EXPAND THE BUILDING. ALRIGHT. AND I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS PART OF THE FACILITY STUDY, LIKE WITH OTHER SCHOOLS? YEAH, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS. ALRIGHT. THANK I THINK ONE MORE COMMENT ON, ON UPPER DISTRICT. UM, SO WE'VE GOT MARQUEE CROSSING COMING IN HERE SHORTLY FOR ALMOST 125 TOWNHOUSES IN THE MARQUEE AREA. UH, WE HOPE TO ADD THE, UM, MEDIUM HOMES SHARE ON BYPASS ROAD, UH, SELL BY AUCTION LAST WEEK [00:35:01] FOR A A LITTLE OVER 16 MILLION. AND THAT'LL CREATE ABOUT 50, UH, CONDOMINIUMS. SORRY, A HUNDRED CONDOMINIUMS. THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING BUILDINGS, BUT THEY WERE TIMESHARES. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE, UH, FOLKS LIVING IN THEM PERMANENTLY OR, UH, OR STUDENTS ATTENDED SCHOOL. THAT'LL CHANGE. RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TWO TOOLS THERE AS WE CAN BE, OR THREE, WE CAN BE LOOKING AT ANY REDISTRICTING THAT WE WOULD NEED IF WE MADE, UH, SOME APPROPRIATE MOVES. SECONDLY, YOU HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT CAN WE MOVE SOME PROGRAMS? SO THAT'S ONE THING WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT. SOMETIMES IT'S PROGRAMMATIC, RIGHT? WE HAVE, UH, GIFTED CLASSES AT ONE SCHOOL. WE HAVE PRESCHOOLS, WE HAVE SPECIAL EDUCATION, SELF-CONTAINED CLASSROOMS, SO WE MAY NEED TO SHIFT SOME THINGS. ALSO, WALLER MILL, THE WAY WE BUILT THAT PORTABLE CLASS, UH, WING WAS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD. WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO ADD THERE. UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PORTABLES CAN BE EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS. SO WE WANT TO GET OUTTA THE PORTABLE BUSINESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT DOES GIVE US FLEXIBILITY WHILE WE DECIPHER WHAT THAT ACTUAL YIELD IS, IS GONNA BE. AND YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WEREN'T IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL PIPELINE. UH, YOU KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S HAPPENED IN THE PRIVATE, UH, PRIVATE SECTOR SALES. SO THAT NOW AFFECTS US. YES. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE, DEFINITELY LIKE TO HAVE YOUR INPUT ON AND WHAT YOU THINK THE REAL WORLD IMPACT WILL BE TO THE SCHOOLS SHOULD THOSE, THOSE, UM, PLACES GET BUILT OUT, LIKE, LIKE WE EXPECT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND, AND PART OF THE, UH, STUDY WAS THEY DID SOME ANALYSIS AND, AND WHEN WE DID THE REDISTRICTING, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT AND YOU USUALLY TAKE A, A FRACTION OF EVERY UNIT AND SAY, I, I FORGET WHAT IT IS. LIKE 0.13 OR 0.16 OF EVERY UNIT WILL YIELD A STUDENT. AND THEN THAT CAN BE ACROSS THE K 12. UH, SOMETIMES IT'S AFFECTED BY, UH, THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU GET A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE PROPERTY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE LESS STUDENTS OR THEY WOULD BE OLDER STUDENTS. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES, UH, LIVING IN $750,000 HOMES. THEY THEY ARE, BUT LESS OF THEM. UH, SO THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME VARIABLES THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S YOUR WORKING ALGORITHM IS 0.13 TO ONE SIX. THAT, THAT'S MY MEMORY FROM THE LAST TIME WE . LET'S GO. 'CAUSE WE KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH, WE SEE THAT, WELL HOW DO, HOW DO WE MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF HOW MANY STUDENTS COME IN? SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER TO ADD. WE CAN DO SOME MATH ON IT, GET A NUMBER FROM OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I GOT THAT FROM OUR CONTRACTOR TO HELP US WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REDISTRICTING. BUT TIM COOK USED TO, UH, GIVE US NUMBERS. THAT WAS A WHILE AGO. RIGHT? TIM CROSS. TIM CROSS. I'M SORRY. IS TIM COOK SOMEBODY ELSE? SOMEBODY ELSE. TIM CROSS. HE WAS THE YEAH, FROM TIM WAS GREAT. I ALWAYS WORK WITH US GENTLEMAN. SITTING RIGHT BACK THERE IS GIVING YOU NUMBER . OKAY. I THINK THAT WRAPS UP, UH, THAT PRESENTATION. [E. Consent Calendar] I DO WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA. WE HAVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM THAT I THINK WE WANT. UM, WE'LL, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO DO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. IT'S THE, UM, SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICER, UH, DISCUSSION THAT WE CARRIED OVER FROM THE LAST BOARD MEETING. SO IF WE CAN CONTINUE WITH YOU AT THE TABLE SURE. HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. UH, WE DIDN'T COME WITH A PRESENTATION. I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTION. THAT'S FINE. FINE. IT WAS A GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WHICH HAS, UH, GIVEN US GRANTS BEFORE FOR SSOS, BUT ALSO TO HELP FACILITATE ADDING SROS TO OUR SCHOOLS. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO I THINK THE QUESTIONS WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING AND, AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ANSWERS TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM. UM, WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING SSO VERSUS RSO? YES. ARE THESE PERMANENT POSITIONS? DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REEVALUATE IN TWO, THREE YEAR TIMES WHEN A GRANT MONEY RUNS OUT? UH, THE BOARD DIDN'T WANT TO JUST WALK INTO AGREEING TO A GRANT AND THEN DISCOVERING THAT IT'S MADE A PERMANENT, UH, HEADCOUNT CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. SO THOSE, THAT WAS A SERIES OF QUESTIONS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND ACT, ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE RAISED, AT LEAST I RIGHT HERE, IS THE FACT THAT IF WE GO THROUGH WITH THIS, WE'D LIKE A REPORT AFTER ONE YEAR TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE PEOPLE ARE IN THE JOB AND IF IT'S REALLY SERVING WHAT YOU THINK IT'S GONNA SERVE. OKAY, WELL, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A FEW OF THOSE AT TIME. AND I'VE ASKED, UH, MELISSA PEDIGREE TO COME UP CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER. BUT LET ME TAKE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL STUFF FIRST. THAT WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT A GRANT, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S SUNSETS. THERE ARE NO, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING GRANTS, AND THIS IS THREE YEARS, CORRECT? FOUR, FOUR FOR NO FOUR YEARS. OKAY. SO WHENEVER YOU HIRE SOMEBODY, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A GRANT FUNDED POSITION. WE EVEN ADVERTISE IT THAT WAY SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S AN END. NOW SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET TO THAT LAST YEAR, IF THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD, YOU CAN KIND OF LET THEM KNOW, HEY, IT'S LOOKING GOOD. WE'RE GONNA [00:40:01] BE ABLE TO ADD IT TO OUR BUDGET. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NEVER ANY GUARANTEE THAT UNTIL YOU GET THERE, IF YOU IN FACT WANT, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU PUT, UH, GRANTS INTO BUCKETS, THERE ARE CERTAINLY GRANTS THAT WE APPLY FOR THAT JUST SEEM LIKE NO-BRAINERS. AND IT'S A WAY TO, UH, SOFTEN THE BLOW TO ADD IT. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN, UH, KIND OF BUILD YOUR BUDGET UP OVER, LET'S SAY A THREE YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING, GET THE, THE MONEY BUILT IN AND TRANSFER THOSE OVER BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE READING SPECIALISTS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UH, THAT YOU, YOU DOUBT THAT IT, IT WON'T WORK. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WHERE, UH, YOU'RE RESPONDING TO A SPECIFIC SITUATION. I, I THINK OF WHEN WE HAD FEDERAL FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, REACTION TO THE GREAT RECESSION AND THEN COVID WHERE WE NEEDED TO GET PEOPLE CAUGHT UP. AND SO THERE WERE, UH, WE DIDN'T OVERLOAD ON STAFF BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GET RID OF THOSE PEOPLE AT THE END. UM, BUT, UH, THERE WERE CERTAINLY IN THE ALASKA ROUND OF FEDERAL FUNDING, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 45 OR 55% OF THE, THE POSITIONS WE FELT WERE A VALUE ADD AND WE COULD ALSO, UH, AFFORD THAT ON OUR BUDGET. AND THEN THE OTHER POSITIONS WENT AWAY. UH, AND THEN THERE ARE SOMEWHERE, IT'S TRULY AN ABSOLUTE PILOT. AND I THINK THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE, UH, WE CAN PILOT SOMETHING, SEE IF IT ADDS VALUE, SEE IF IT TAKES SOME WORK OFF OF OUR ADMINISTRATORS, BOARD MEMBERS. UH, EDUCATORS ARE ASKED TO DO MORE AND MORE WORK EVERY YEAR, HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY, THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, ESPECIALLY ADMINISTRATION. AND WHILE OUR DISCIPLINE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN REDUCING, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING SOME, UH, SPIKES IN IT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MORE EXTREME BEHAVIOR, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR KINDERGARTNERS. WE'VE, WE'VE SPOKEN PUBLICLY ABOUT THAT AT OUR, UH, AT OUR BOARD MEETINGS. AND SO THE SSOS IS ONE TOOL THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY USE. UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD SSOS IN OUR SECONDARY SCHOOLS FOR THREE YEARS NOW, UH, EIGHT OF THEM. SO TWO EACH AT EACH OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS AND ONE EACH AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND THEY HELP WITH A VARIETY OF, YOU KNOW, A A VARIETY OF THINGS. I MEAN, THEIR PRIMARY PURPOSE IS MONITORING, BUILDING SECURITY, AND, UM, WE PREFER TO USE HUMAN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, STRATEGIES WITH, WITH OUR SCHOOL SECURITY. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL THERE. UH, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH, UH, THE SECURITY AND THE DISCIPLINE IN THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE THERE ARE ANOTHER SET OF EYES OR TWO, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE BUILDING AND THEY CAN HELP WITH BEHAVIOR. YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER WITH SROS, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT SROS. SROS FIRST OF ALL, ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. I THINK WHEN WE ADD ONE, IT'S USUALLY AROUND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO ADD AN SRO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERSON, THE SALARY, ALL THE EQUIPMENT. IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT. SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, ELEMENTARIES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE, RIGHT? $5 MILLION. RIGHT. UH, UH, COMMITMENT THERE. UH, AND ALSO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SROS IS THERE ARE THINGS THEY CAN DO AND THERE ARE THINGS THEY CANNOT DO, AND THEY'RE VERY RESTRICTED. UH, CERTAINLY WORST CASE SCENARIO, IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN SRO IN A BUILDING AND, AND RESPONDING TO SOMETHING. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DAILY, UH, UM, BEHAVIOR THAT HAPPENS IN A, IN A SCHOOL BUILDING, UH, THERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY'RE RESTRICTED AND THAT THEY'RE LIMITED BY LAW. AND IF IT TALKS ABOUT, LIKE, LET'S SAY A SEARCH, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. UH, THEY'RE HELD TO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE TO DO A SEARCH WHERE A SCHOOL PERSONNEL ONLY HAVE TO HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION. AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE THRESHOLDS. AND SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WE CAN, THE SSOS CAN HELP, BUT WITH, AND I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAINED, THEY HAVE TO RECEIVE, UH, TRAINING FROM THE D-C-G-A-S. UH, I THINK WE, WE MET WITH, UH, UH, MR. SHEPHERD AND THAT MANUAL'S ABOUT THAT THICK FOR THE TRAINING. UH, SO YOU'RE INTERESTING. OH, THERE YOU GO. UH, SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET THEM TRAINED WITHIN 30 DAYS OF HIRE AND, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE EFFECTIVE AT HELPING THE STAFF AND THE SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY ADMINISTRATORS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND THIS WAS AT THE END OF OUR CONVERSATION, IS THAT, UM, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO START TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOLS. AND THESE BECOME AN EXTRA ARM FOR US TO DO THAT. THE STUDENTS WILL ENCOUNTER THESE SSOS AT THE MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. SO HAVING THEM IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND HAVING THEM HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH, YOU KNOW, SSO TOM WHO'S IN THE HALLWAY, WHO KNOWS ME AND KNOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN KIND OF BE A KNUCKLEHEAD SOMETIMES, BUT KNOWS HOW TO REDIRECT ME OR, YOU KNOW, HEAD OFF A BEHAVIOR PROBLEM AT THE PAST. IT BUILDS THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AS A FOUNDATION WITH OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS BEFORE THEY GET TO MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL. DO THESE SCHOOLS HAVE SSOS [00:45:01] NOW, OR ARE THEY NEW PHYSICIANS? NO, I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE THING TOO. THIS I, I DID SPEND ABOUT, IT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR, I THINK, UH, WITH 'EM, UH, THE WHOLE SECURITY STAFF THERE, OR AT LEAST THE CHAIN. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS REAL CONCERNED, VERY VOCAL ABOUT WHETHER WE HIRING 'EM, MALL COPS OR WE'RE GETTING SOME, GETTING SOME VALUE HERE. RIGHT. YOU ALSO LEFT THAT OUT OF THE DESCRIPTION. . WELL, I MEAN, I'M NOT DISPARAGING MALL COPS, BUT THEY HAVE A JOB TO DO IN A DIFFERENT SETTING. AND WE HAVE A, WE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON EDUCATION. SO ANYWAY, UM, WHEN I GOT THROUGH WITH THE CONVERSATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME, OR THE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THROUGH WITH THE DISCUSSION, ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT WAS TRY TO PUT IN CONTEXT THAT WE MIGHT ALL REMEMBER. AND, AND, AND IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE COPS IN THE SCHOOLS. UH, YOU HAD THE PRINCIPALS, THE TEACHERS, ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL, THE COACH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD THESE GUYS THAT, THESE WERE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDED DISCIPLINE. SO YOU GUYS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT THIS IS MY TAKEAWAY FROM OUR DISCUSSION. ONE OF THE THINGS, LOOK AS THE TEACHERS IN A CLASSROOM FULL OF KIDS, OKAY? A KID STARTS ACTING UP. THEY HAVE A BUTTON ON THE DOOR, ON THE WALL. MM-HMM . THAT IT'S NOT A PANIC BUTTON, IT'S JUST A, A BUTTON. SOMEBODY SAY, I NEED A, I NEED, UH, S WHAT IS AN S-S-S-S-S-S-O, I NEED AN SSO HERE. AND THEY COME DOWN AND NEEDS, AND THE SS O WILL REMOVE THE STUDENT. OKAY. TAKE IT TO THE PRINCIPAL WHEREVER THE TEACHER CONTINUES TO TEACH. OKAY? SO IF YOU'VE GOT A STUDENT DISRUPTING THE CLASS, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE TEACHER NOW IS NOT THE MUSCLE. IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE SSO. THE OTHER PART IT WAS, UH, TIED TO THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK ABOUT, OKAY, UH, PHYSICAL SECURITY, THEY GO DOWN THERE AND THEY'RE CHECKING THE DOORS. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE INCIDENCES WHERE WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WHERE THE KIDS GOT IN SCHOOLS WITH, UH, GUNS OR WHATEVER IT WAS BECAUSE THE DOOR WAS UNLOCKED BY SOMEBODY AND THE WINDOW OR WHATEVER. AND SO THESE GUYS WALK AROUND AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALL THE TIME, LOOKING FOR THIS PHYSICAL SECURITY CAFETERIA, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE CON, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A BUNCH OF KIDS TOGETHER. I REMEMBER FOOD FIGHTS IN THE CAFETERIA, STUFF LIKE THAT. FOOD FIGHTS. WELL THESE GUYS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IN THERE. THEY'RE PRESENCE THAT, UH, WILL, UM, THAT, THAT ARE TO HELP KEEP THAT UNDER CONTROL. AND I REMEMBER TEACHERS HAD TO COME IN AND DO THAT. A LOT OF TIMES THE SSOS IS GONNA DO THAT. UM, THEY GET, YOU ALREADY MENTIONED IT, TO GET TO KNOW THE KIDS. AND I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. BUT THE KIDS WILL COME UP AND TALK TO 'EM. THEY TALK TO THE KIDS. THEY CAN SEE PROBLEMS DEVELOPING, UH, THAT THE TEACHER MIGHT NOT SEE, UH, IN FACT THEY MAY WANNA TALK TO THE SSO INSTEAD OF THE TEACHER, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A, HE'S A CONSTANT, KIND OF A CONSTANT, UH, PERSON. ANOTHER THING THAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT HIRING JOE MELLI OFF THE STREET. WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE HIRING SECURE PEOPLE WITH SECURITY BACKGROUNDS. THEY CAN BE RETIRED POLICEMEN, UH, THEY CAN BE RETIRED, UH, MILITARY, UH, POLICE. AND SO THESE GUYS HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE AND HOW TO CONTROL THAT. UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING, UH, THAT THEY INTERACT WITH PARENTS SOMETIMES. OKAY. AND, AND THEY CAN TALK TO PARENTS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY COLLECT PHONES, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PHONE IN THERE. THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE A PHONE AWAY FROM A KID AND PUT IT WHEREVER THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT. UM, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MORE THINGS GOING ON THAN I WOULD, THAN I REALIZED WHEN SOMEBODY JUST WALKING AROUND IN A BLUE UNIFORM OR WHATEVER, UH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS. THEY WERE PROVIDING A LEVEL OF SECURITY THAT ALLOWED THE TEACHER TO TEACH, ALLOWED THE, THE, THE DISCIPLINARY PART OF IT TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY. 'CAUSE THEY JUST TAKE 'EM OUTTA THE ROOM. THE TEACHER DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK SOMEONE DOWN AND, AND LET THE KID TO DO THAT. SO, UM, AND THEN THE CERTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRAINING HERE, BUT THESE GUYS GET CERTIFIED TO DO TO, TO DO THIS NOW. WELL, REAL REAL QUICK ON THAT IS, IS IT A, IS IT A CERTIFIED, DO YOU GET A CERTIFICATION AFTERWARDS OR IS JUST DRAINING? NO, IT'S DCJS CERTIFICATION. SO YOU ACTUALLY GET A CER AFTERWARDS. IS THAT RENEWED ANNUALLY? LY YES. EVERY TWO YEARS. TWO YEARS. EVERY, EVERY, EVERY TWO YEARS. UM, RETIRED. CAPTAIN HAN DOES ALL OF THE, THE SECURITY TRAINING AND HE DEFINITELY IS THE, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. OKAY, SO THEY'RE ACCREDITED IN IN ACCREDITED, YEAH. IF INTERESTED, I'M HAPPY TO PASS THE BINDER AROUND, UM, FOR THEIR TRAINING. SO, AND THEN FINALLY THIS, YOU DID TALK ABOUT THE PROBABLE CAUSE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY INTERESTING PROBABLE CAUSE VERSUS THE REASONABLE SUSPENSION, UH, SUSPICION. SO IF YOU CALL THE POLICEMAN TO COME IN, WHAT'S THE POLICEMAN TRAINED TO DO? THEY TAKE YOU DOWN. IF YOU GET, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET GET, YOU GET THIS, YOU, YOU CROSS THE LINE, YOU GET PHYSICALLY WRESTLED TO THE GROUND. UH, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY GOT ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, SEARCHES AND STUFF LIKE THIS. THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE, UH, SSOS, DON'T THEY THINK SOME, A KID COMES UP AND SAYS SOMETHING, THEY GO, THEY CAN REACT TO IT. THEY GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, EMPTY POCKETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY CAN, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET INTO, THEY CAN GET INTO IT BEFORE IT GETS ANYWHERE OUTTA CONTROL. PROBABLY, I WOULD THINK THAT [00:50:01] KID THAT HAD THAT GUN AT THE SCHOOL, THAT SHOT THE TEACHER PROBABLY COULD HAVE, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF IT WAS NECESS. SO THERE TO DO THAT SOUNDING IF EVERYBODY WAS DOING THEIR JOB. AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT PART OF IT, BUT, BUT I KEEP MY TAKEAWAY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR DOING THAT. UH, MY TAKEAWAY WAS THIS WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANTED IN OUR SCHOOLS. SO, SO WITH THAT, CAN I CALL FOR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED. MRS. NOLL? NO. MR. DREWRY? YES. MRS. UH. MR. RONE? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE SESSION. I, I JUST THINK THAT YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH PERSONNEL THERE THAT CAN HANDLE THE ISSUES WITHOUT HIRING SOMEBODY. SOME MORE PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE. I'D RATHER HIRE MORE TEACHERS. I NEED MORE. WE NEED MORE CLASSROOMS. BUT THE TEACHERS OUT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY. SCHOOLS DOES A LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MAKE MENTION OF OUR DELEGATE WHO ENTERED THE ROOM PARTWAY THROUGH THE MEETING. VIRGIL PORT, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. AND ALSO, IF I COULD RECOGNIZE MR. RICHARDSON CAME TO, TO BE WITH US. YES, THANK YOU. CORRECT. HAVE EVERYTHING. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. RAMP NOT THAT FAR. OH, BUT I THINK HE HAS SOMETHING DONE. OKAY. WE LET HIM BREAK SOMETHING. THANKS FOR COMING, JIM. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. [2. Admissions Tax: Receive a presentation by Susan Goodwin, Deputy County Administrator. ] WE'LL MOVE BACK TO THE WORK SESSION AND CALL ON SUSAN GOODWIN, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR PRESENTATION ON ADMISSION TAX. THANK YOU. SO, AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RECENTLY GAVE YOUR COUNTY THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE AN ADMISSION TAX. SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR US, THE OPTIONS THAT WE EVALUATED AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. GRANTED YORK COUNTY, THE, THIS NEW AUTHORITY AFFECTED JULY 1ST, 2026. IN THE FY 27 BUDGET, WE INCLUDED $200,000 AND ANTICIPATED, UH, REVENUE, UH, FOR ADMISSIONS TAX WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY ONE BECAUSE ADMINISTERING THIS TAX, UH, AFFECTS MULTIPLE COUNTY FUNCTIONS. WE MET REGULARLY WITH A, A INTERDEPARTMENTAL WORKING GROUP THAT INCLUDED THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, THE COMMISSIONER, REVENUE FINANCE, COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO EVALUATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS AND ALSO, UM, OPERATIONAL CONSIDERATIONS. THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DIVIDES ADMISSIONS INTO THE FOLLOWING CLASSES, UM, FOR, FOR TAX PURPOSES. AND THAT PROVIDED US A FRAMEWORK FOR EVALUATING HOW WE MAY APPLY THE ADMISSIONS TAX. SO USING THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS, THE WORKING GROUP EVALUATED WHICH ADMISSION BASED ACTIVITIES COULD OR SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE YORK COUNTY ORDINANCE STAFF CONSIDERED THE POTENTIAL REVENUE, ADMINISTRATIVE IMPACT, AND TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED. THE BUS BUSINESSES MARKED ON THE SLIDE WITH A DOUBLE CHECK ARE THOSE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, INCLUDING. THESE INCLUDE WATER, PARKS, TOURS, PRIVATE SPORTING EVENTS AND PERFORMANCES. COLLECTIVELY, THESE BUSINESSES REPRESENT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY'S POTENTIAL ADMISSIONS TAX REVENUE, AND ARE PRIMARILY VISITOR AND TOURISM ORIENTED. THE BUSINESSES MARKED WITH A SINGLE CHECK ARE ACTIVITIES THE BOARD COULD ALSO CHOOSE TO INCLUDE, SUCH AS ARCADES, LASER TAG, ESCAPE ROOMS, MINI GOLF, ET CETERA. WHILE WE SEE THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES OR ATTACKS IN OTHER LOCALITIES, IT WOULD GENERATE RELATIVELY LITTLE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHILE INCREASING THE ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE BUSINESSES. AND FINALLY, WE'VE MARKED SOME OF THESE, UM, UH, ACTIVITIES WITH AN X. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING FOR CHARGING AN ADMISSIONS TAX. THESE INCLUDE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT FUNDRAISING EVENTS, SPORT PARTICIPATION FEES, SCHOOL EVENTS, AND MUSEUMS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING [00:55:01] AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2027, WHICH THAT TIMING, UH, GIVES US THE ADEQUATE TIME NECESSARY TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS IN OUR SOFTWARE, UM, ESTABLISH ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE EFFECTIVE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COLLECTION REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE. AS A RESULT, THE FY 27, UM, BUDGET ESTIMATES OR, OR REVENUE ESTIMATES THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT WILL SHOW JUST SIX MONTHS OF REVENUE FOR FY 27. FOR CONTEXT. STAFF ALSO LOOKED IN ADDITION TO TAX RATES CURRENTLY OPPOSED BY NEARBY LOCALITIES. HAMPTON, NEW NEWPORT NEWS, BOTH, UH, IMPOSE A 10% TAX. WILLIAMSBURG ALSO HAS A 10% RATE, BUT CAPS THE TAX AT $1 PER ADMISSION. AND JAMES CITY COUNTY HAS ADOPTED A 5% RATE. THESE COM, COLONIAL LEEBURG HAS A $1 ADMISSION TAX. YES. AND THAT'S, WE KIND OF DID THAT CATCH IT'S A FLAT, FLAT TAX. BOTH HAVE IT. SO THE SPORTS CENTER IN FACT HAS TWO ADMISSION TAXES. OH, INTERESTING. RIGHT? YES. ONE FOR THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, ONE FOR THE CITY, AND ONE FOR, AND FOR CW. CW, I BELIEVE THE CW PIECE FOR THE SPORTS CENTER CAME ABOUT DURING THE LEASE OF THAT CAME OUT THROUGH THE LEASE. UM, BUT IF IT IS THERE, YES, IT'S, IT'S TWO ADMISSION PAYMENTS. INTERESTING. OKAY. AND IS IT 10% UP TO A DOLLAR? BOTH OF THEM. IT'S KEPT AT A DOLLAR CAP. A DOLLAR. SO WEST IS CLONEY WILLIAMSBURG TAXING WITH THEIR AUTHORITY. THEY HAVE TO TAX ANYBODY. IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S A PROPERTY. IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. BUT IT'S NOT A TAX NOW IT'S JUST AN ADMISSION FEE. RIGHT? IT'S A FEE, YES. ADDITIONAL ADMISSION FEE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT A TAX. YEAH, IT'S A FEE. IT'S ADMISSION FEE. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING, THEY'RE JUST SOMETHING THEY, THEY'RE DOING BASED ON WHAT THEY THINK THEY CAN GET. OKAY. BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S WILLIAMSBURG. THEY'RE IN WILLIAMSBURG, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THERE THEY PHYSICALLY IN WILLIAMSBURG? YES. YES. SO THEN THAT'S WHERE THE TAX IS. OKAY. YES. THEY CAN ADVERTISE A MISSION IS X AND THEN WHEN YOU GO, RIGHT, WHEN YOU GO RIP UP YOUR WALLET, THERE'S ANOTHER DOLLAR ON TOP OF IT. MM-HMM . BUT THE MISSION, BUT, WELL, I'M SURPRISED THEY DON'T CHARGE BREATHING EAR FEES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? WELL, I WAS THERE, I WAS THERE TODAY AND CLARIFY SOME OF THEIR FEES. FOR INSTANCE, THE $12 THEY CHARGE TO GO INTO THE ADVENTURE GYM AND IT INCLUDES THE TAXES. THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL FEE ON TOP OF THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED TALKING. YOU TALKING ABOUT SPORTS SPORTS CENTER? WELL, ADVENTURE GYM IS A PORTION OF THE SPORTS CENTER. YEAH. AND THE SPORTS, IT'S $5. IT'S IN THERE. RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY BUILT INTO THE FEE. OKAY. SO THE SPORTS CENTER, LET ME, OKAY. THE TAX, WHO'S, WHO'S TAXING THEM? I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S TWO $1 ADMISSION FEES PAID ON TOP OF THE COST OF THE, LOOKS LIKE YOUR ENTERING, LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG'S GETTING TO 10% UP TO ONE. AND THEN COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG IS JUST A FLAT 1%. A $1 FEE, NOT A TAX IS WHAT I WOULD ASSUME. NOT SURE I, OKAY. BECAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A TAX, IT'S NOT TWO MUNICIPALITIES TAXING THE SENTENCE. WELL, WILLIAMSBURG DOESN'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO TAX. I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD UNDER, UNDER THIS, IF IT'S, IT'S IN WILLIAMSBURG OR IS IT JUST A DOLLAR THAT GOES? IS IT JUST ADDITIONAL DOLLAR THAT GOES GOING WILLIAMS UNDERSTAND IT'S TWO TAXES. YEAH. TWO ADMISSIONS TAX. OKAY. WELL, ANYWAY, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. I KNOW, BUT I DO HAVE A, WELL, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IF IT'S TAXED AND BECAUSE HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE? IT'S PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT. WITH'S NOT A TAX BETWEEN THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY, THEN IT'S NOT A TAX AND COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG. IT'S PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT. IT'S THE FEE I'LL GUARANTEE YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT A TAX. NO. SO FEE. SO, SO THE, THE SPORTS CENTER IS BEING TAXED THOUGH. MM-HMM . WE TAKE FOLLOW UP ONE. THAT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO SCOTT ON THIS. WE COULD DO THAT. YEAH, WE'LL PAY YOU THAT, THAT FOLLOW UP. OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHOW THESE, THESE ARE USEFUL COMPARISONS JUST TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE REGION IS DOING. BUT THIS IS NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON BECAUSE EACH LOCALITY INCLUDES DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE BUCKET OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE TAXABLE AND WHAT WOULD BE EXEMPT. UM, BUT IT'S JUST GOOD FOR REGIONAL CONTEXT. SO STAFF EVALUATED THREE IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS. THE FIRST IS THIS MODERATE OPTION HERE OF A 5% RATE. UM, THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN JANUARY ONE. THIS IS ALIGNED WITH WHAT, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY RECENTLY IMPOSED ON AMUSEMENT PARKS. UH, THIS WOULD RESULT IN ABOUT A HALF YEAR COLLECTION OF $450,000 IN A FULL YEAR OF 900,000. EXCUSE. CAN WE GO ANY FURTHER? COMPARE THAT NUMBER TO THE NUMBER ON THE FIRST PAGE, WHICH SAYS THE FY 27 BUDGET INCLUDES 200 A THOUSAND IN, IN ADMISSION TAX REVENUE, WHICH SURE. SO WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THE BUDGET, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LEARNED WELL, YOU, YOU JUST HAD TO THEN AS A PLACEHOLDER, [01:00:01] IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA OVERSHOOT IT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THE TIME. RIGHT. WE WERE GETTING CLOSER ON, UH, BEING ABLE TO DRILL DOWN ON THAT. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WAS JUST A PLACEHOLDER. THIS IS THAT ACTUAL ESTIMATE. OKAY. OKAY. YES. YEP. UM, SO THE 5% YOU CAN SEE THERE IS, IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A MODERATE IMPLEMENTATION OPTION. ANOTHER OPTION WE LOOKED AT IS WHAT IF WE PHASED IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 10%, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, AS HIGH AS WE CAN GO PER STATE CODE. UM, DOING 5% IN 27, 7 0.5 AND 28, AND MOVING TO THE FULL 10% IN 29. UM, OF COURSE NO CHANGE FOR FY 27. WE'D JUST BE GETTING A HALF YEAR AT 5%. BUT AFTER THE FULL PHASE IN, UM, WITH 10% IN 2029, WE'D BE AT 1.8 MILLION ANNUALLY. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE REVENUE WOULD BE IF WE DID THE FULL 10%. UM, AND THAT'D BE 900,000 FOR THE HALF YEAR COLLECTIONS IN 27, AND THEN 1.8 MILLION ANNUALLY THEREAFTER. HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST TO COLLECT THE REVENUE? WHAT DID YOU SAY? WELL, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST TO COLLECT THE REVENUE? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THE SOFTWARE UPDATES AND TRAINING. YEAH. MEETING WITH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND COMMISSIONER REVENUE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY MAKE THOSE CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM AND IT'S NOT TOO ARDUOUS. UM, SO WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT RELATIVELY EASY AND DEPENDING ON, UM, EASY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A, A GREAT GOOD WORD, BUT WE CAN DO IT. UM, AND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE AFFECTED BY THE ADMISSIONS TAX, I WOULD SAY WHAT THAT WOULD KIND OF, UM, GO TO WHAT ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN IT WOULD BE, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. UM, SO IT KIND OF DEPENDS, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS MANAGEABLE WITHIN THE EXISTING STAFF. THAT'S WHERE FOR WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER HEAD KIND TO REVENUE. AND ONE ONE THE PROBLEM THAT WOULD BE THAT, I MEAN A BUSINESS, LET'S, LET'S TAKE UP ONE BUSINESS. AND THEY HAVE A TAX FROM US. THEY HAVE A TAX, ANOTHER TAX FROM WILLIAMSBURG, AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER TAX FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY. AND SO THEY'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT TAXES THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR, WHICH IS A REAL BURDEN. IT SHOULD BE, THIS IS ONLY A MUNICIPAL TAX. IT'S A MUNICIPAL TAX. WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TWO MUNICIPALITIES? WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS, IS COMPANIES LIKE A BUSCH GARDENS THAT HAS A YES, EXACTLY. THEY HAVE TWO PARKS. ONE IN YORK COUNTY AND ONE IN JAMES CITY COUNTY. WELL, WE, BUT WE'RE ONLY TAXING THE PARTY IN YORK COUNTY. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THEY DO SELL PASSES THAT HAVE BOTH, RIGHT. SAME PASSES. YES. UM, BUT WE HAVE SEEN BY LOOKING AT, UM, THERE ARE BUSINESSES OF THAT SIZE, UM, ARE USED TO HAVING, UH, LOCALITIES THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ADMISSIONS TAXES. WE LOOKED AT FLORIDA, UM, YOU KNOW, EACH NEIGHBOR AND LOCALITY HAS A DIFFERENT, UM, ADMISSIONS TAX. AND SO, UH, THEY ARE ABLE TO ATTRIBUTE THE ADMISSIONS TO YORK COUNTY SEPARATELY THAN THE ADMISSIONS TO JAMES CITY COUNTY. SO AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THE BUSINESS, UM, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE TOO BIG OF A BURDEN. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHY, UH, THE COMMISSIONER IS GONNA BE REACHING OUT TO, ONCE THE BOARD DECIDES HOW THEY WANNA MOVE WITH THIS, THE COMMISSIONER WILL REACH OUT TO THOSE BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CLEAR ON HOW TO REPORT. MM-HMM . AND BUSH GARDENS, WHICH STRADDLES THE LINE. MM-HMM . WHAT ARE THEY CURRENTLY BEING CHARGED BY? JCC? 5%. 5%. OKAY. YES. WHAT'S THE POINT OF SALES, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT SHOULD BE POINT SALE, POINT OF SALES IS WHERE THE TAXES COLLECTED. MM-HMM . RIGHT? YEAH. WHO AM I TALKING TO HERE? , WHO'S GONNA ANSWER MY QUESTION? OKAY. . SO THE POINT OF SALES, IF SO, THEY COULD HAVE PROPERTY, UM, IN YOUR COUNTY, BUT THE, THE OFFICES IN WILLIAMSBURG, THAT'S WHERE THE TAX, THAT'S THEIR TAX POINT RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT YOUR COUNTY. WE GET THE REAL ESTATE TAX. UM, WE DON'T GET SALES TAX. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. BUT ONLINE PURCHASES FOR WATER COUNTRY, EVERYONE, YES. WE'LL RECEIVE PERMISSIONS TAX, INCLUDING PARKING. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET . I CAN'T, SHE'S NOT SAYING YES, SHE'S SAYING THERE'S HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION. A GREAT LAWYER ANSWER THERE. YES. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. THERE IS SOME RATIONALE WHY YOU'D WANT TO FOLLOW YOUR NEIGHBORING COUNTY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. MAKE IT SIMPLE. THAT'S WHAT I PUT THE LIST. 5%. SO, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT WE'RE LOOKING FOR BOARD DIRECTION ON TWO ITEMS, WHICH TYPES OF, UM, ADMISSION BASED BUSINESSES THE TAX WOULD APPLY TO AND WHAT THE PREFERRED BREAK WOULD BE. AND BASED ON THAT DIRECTION, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE. UM, AND OF COURSE PUBLIC HEARING POSSIBLE ADOPTION ON AUGUST 18TH. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXCLUDE COUNTY, RURAL COUNTY RESIDENTS FROM THE ADMISSION? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. LEGALLY, NO. SIMPLE ANSWER. NO. YEAH. WHAT WAS THE ANSWER? NO, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE AN ABILITY TO OFFER THEM A DISCOUNT? NO, I DO [01:05:01] ONE. YOU GUYS DO? WHY? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY. WHAT'S THE, UH, THE LAW? LAW IS THE LAW. BUT I MEAN, IF I GOT SOMEONE FROM IOWA COMING OUT TO BUSH GARDENS OR WAR COUNTRY, I THINK STICK WITH THAT. I'M CHARGE IN MISSION TAXABLE. I GOTTA CHARGE A FAMILY DOWN THE STREET THAT ALREADY LIVED IN THE COUNTY AND BAY COUNTY TAXES THAT, BUT HOW INCREMENTALLY GOOD WE WERE ALL LOT. OKAY. SO THE, UH, THE TWO, THE TWO ONE CHECK 5% CHECKED ITEMS, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH, UH, IF WE ADDED THOSE IN AND HOW MUCH ARE WE INCREASING? WE WERE RIGHT THERE WERE ESTIMATING WHERE CONSERVATIVELY AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND. BUT WE'RE TALKING LOTS AND LOTS OF SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET THERE. OKAY. UM, THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE STARTED WITH. WE LOOKED AT ALL THE BUSINESSES IN YORK COUNTY, WHAT CATEGORY THEY WOULD FIT IN. THAT'S THESE ONE, THESE ONE WITH THE ONE CHECK. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE, THE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S TO BE GAINED. I'M NOT PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN GOING AFTER THIS, COLLECT THESE BIG TAXES ON NO, I'M NOT COLLECTING TAX ON A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE THAT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF WE STARTED AT 5%, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS THE 900,000? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT MONEY? JUST TO THE GENERAL FUND? YEAH, IT WOULD GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND SO RIGHT NOW IN THE FY 27 BUDGET WHERE WE HAVE THE 200,000 PLACEHOLDER, WE'VE PUT IT TO CASH CAPITAL. I MEAN WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, OUR, OUR CAPITAL NEEDS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS ABOUT DIVERSIFYING CIP THROUGH THE CIP AND DIVERSIFYING OUR REVENUE. CIP. YEAH. SO IT'S CASH CAPITAL FOR CIP. OH, THIS WOULD BE GOING NOT IN GENERAL FUND. WELL, THE GENERAL FUND MAKES A CONTRIBUTION TO CASH CAPITAL. WE PULL THAT OUT. MM-HMM . BUT I'M SAYING THAT THIS IS KIND OF SPECIFICALLY, WE WOULD SLATE THIS AS GOING TOWARDS CIP, UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD DESIGNATE IT TO. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE THE 200,000 IS IN THE 27. THAT'S WHERE WE PUT IT. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD, EACH YEAR WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF LOOK AT THAT MORE. DON'T WE PUT MORE THAN WE DO A LOT MORE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE RESTRICT IT MEAN OUR DECISION TO DO IT IN THE GENERAL FUND IS THAT WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND PUT IT IN THE CIPI MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT A VALUE IN JUST RESTRICTING THIS. THIS IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN TERMS OF A, YOU KNOW, A A 200 MILLION PLUS BUDGET. SO LIKE WE MIGHT NEED IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AT LEAST OUR CITIZENS WOULD KNOW WHERE IT'S DESIGNATED FOR RATHER THAN IN A SLUSH FUND. SO IS IT GENERAL, THE SLUSH FUND? WE HAVE A SLUSH FUND. TELL ME ABOUT THAT SLUSH FUND. SHEILA, THEY THINK THE WHOLE, I WANNA KNOW WHERE OUR SLUSH FUND IS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD. I DON'T, FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. I'M NOT, I FOUND I'M NOT ASKING THE QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT FOLKS. I WANNA KNOW WHERE OUR SLUSH SLUSH FUND IS. SUSAN. MY, MY GUT FEELING IS THAT THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT PROJECTED REVENUE IS GONNA COME FROM THAT FIRST LINE ITEM, WHICH IS AMUSEMENT AND WATER BOTTLES, BASICALLY BUS GUARDS AND WATER COUNTRY. AND THAT THE OTHER CHECK MARKS ARE CHANGE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WANT TO BUST PEOPLE RUNNING THE MISSION TAX DUE A GHOST TOUR AROUND HERE AND, OR, OR, OR A SPORTING EVENT OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, WE, I'D RATHER KEEP NO, NO EMISSION ATTACKS THERE TO, IN ENHANCE, ENHANCE PEOPLE, ENTICE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO BUST 'EM FOR FOUR, 5% TO GO DO PUTT BUTTON OR LASER TIGHT. JUST GOT NIGHT. WELL IT JUST, IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN FOR THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG A BURDEN IT IS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S JUST A, IT MAY BE AN INHIBITOR FOR THE SMALLER, SMALL VENUE LIKE THE GHOST TOURS OR MAYBE PLAY, THAT'S JUST A SMALL THING. SO I, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AS A BIG, BIG MONEY MAKER. RIGHT. I MEAN IF WE, IF WE'RE GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT ACTIVITY TO APPLY THIS TO, I WOULD LIMIT IT TO THE, THE FIRST LINE ON, WHICH IS THE AMUSEMENT AND WATER PARKS, WHICH IS POSTCARDS AND WATER COUNTRY IN OUR CASE. WELL, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST, THE SECOND ONE IS IT'S TOURISM RELATED, WALKING TOWARDS GHOST TOUR SIGHT SCENE AND RIGHT. DON'T, DON'T APPLY MORE TAX BURDENS TO TA LET'S ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME HERE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T CHARGE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS FOR IT WOULD LINE WITH STEVE. I I THINK THE FIRST LINE IS THE BULK OF THE TAX. IT'S GONNA, THE BULK OF IT. THAT'S GONNA BE THE BULK OF IT. YES. AND I WOULDN'T GO AFTER THE SMALL BUSINESSES, THE GHOST TOURS, ET CETERA. YEP. DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN ON HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO LOOSE GARDENS AND, AND WATER COUNTRY OR LOCAL RESIDENTS VERSUS NOT LOCAL RESIDENTS? NO, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT. YEAH. I'M NOT AWARE THAT, THAT THEY, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT DATA. THEY PROPRIETARY AND THEY DON'T, I WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT THE IDEA OF HAVING BUSINESSES WAS TO GENERATE REVENUE. TO TAKE THE TAX LOAD OFF THE REAL ESTATE. MM-HMM . AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. OKAY. IT'S NOT GONNA [01:10:01] BE PURE, IT'S GONNA GET SOME OF THE VISITOR WHO GONNA, EXCUSE ME, IT'S GONNA GET SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT STAY STAYCATION HERE. YEAH. BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHY WE'VE BEEN PUSHING AND PUSHING AND PUSHING FOR BUSINESSES. A TOURING BUSINESS IS THE PUREST BUSINESS YOU CAN GET FOR, UH, UNLOADING BURDENS OF SCHOOLS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. STATE OF FLORIDA DOESN'T HAVE AN INCOME TAX BECAUSE OF THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. MANY STATES, VEGAS, ALL THESE GUYS DON'T HAVE INCOME TAXES BECAUSE OF THIS. SO MY POINT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING, I MEAN, I KNOW WE WANNA BE SYMPATHETIC AND I DO TOO. I'M NOT GONNA, THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF MAKING NOISE ABOUT DOUBLE, DOUBLE WHAMMY WITH, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, JURISDICTIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT, YOU GOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA DRAW TOURISTS, THAT'S GET THE TOURISTS TO HELP PAY OUR SCHOOLS AND PAY AND REDUCE THE LOAD ON OUR, OUR RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYERS. AND SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT PUSHING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PUSHING OFF ON THIS. I I I'M THE DOUBLE, TO ME, THESE DOUBLE CHECKS ARE OKAY, RIGHT? YES. 'CAUSE THAT'S TOURISM, THAT IS STRICTLY TOURISM. THEY GO UP THERE, WE GO UP TO WILLIAMSBURG AND THEY'LL COME DOWN HERE FOR GHOST TOURS. OKAY. THEY, THEY DO ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I WANT ANYBODY, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY IN YOUR COUNTY WHO BELIEVES THERE'S A GHOST TOUR HERE. I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A GHOST TOUR, BUT THEY ACTUALLY THINK IT'S, THEY GOTTA GO SEE SPOOKY STUFF. OKAY. I CAN, I MIND TAKING AWAY FROM MUSEUMS. I DON'T WANT PUT DON DO THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE BUSINESSES, WE'RE GONNA PROMOTE BUSINESSES TO BRING IN VISITORS AND THAT'S LET THEM PAY FOR OUR STUFF. OUR STUFF. I'M ALL FOR IT. IF, IF IF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE BUS OR PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY VISITORS AND NOT LOCAL RESIDENTS, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PLUCKING OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS IS TO, TO DO THESE, DO THESE, DO THESE THINGS. NO, THEY'RE NOT. BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT LED MY QUESTION TO WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN ON LOCAL VERSUS AT THE TIME PEOPLE TO GO VISIT GIMME FOR-PROFIT SPORTING EVENTS. WHAT FOR-PROFIT SPORTING EVENTS? ARE WE ICE HOCKEY, ICE? YES. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, AND BRING A LOT OF VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OF YORK COUNTY. AND SO THAT'S ONE. WHAT ELSE? WHAT WHAT WELL, VENUES LIKE THAT COULD BE USED FOR LIKE OTHER TYPE OF ACTIVITIES. UM, CONCERTS, RIGHT. PERFORMANCES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND SOME OF THAT'S LOCAL PEOPLE FOR SURE. YEAH. COULD BE. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING TO BAILEY FIELD WATCH A FOOTBALL EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH YOU, THEY, THEY CHARGE YOU TO GO GO THERE. WE'RE NOT . THAT'S, THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M MAKING SURE. SO MM-HMM . RIGHT. SO NO, I GO, I GO ALONG WITH THE FIRST THREE THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE THE WORK ON THAT. BUT I, AND I GO ALONG WITH THE 5%. I DON'T KNOW THAT I GO ALONG WITH ESCALATING IT, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS SO THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT. I THINK. SO DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE TOP THREE AS FAR AS WHAT WE THINK THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE WOULD BE TO MR. RON'S POINT? THE MAJORITY IS IN LINE ONE. UM, WE HAVE SOME GUESSTIMATES FOR THE OTHER TWO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, 80 20, 90 10? 90 10 I THINK WOULD BE A FAIR, I WOULD SAY JUST DO IT IN THE, AND WE WERE CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES, SO I WOULDN'T CHANGE THE ESTIMATE EVEN IF WE ONLY DO THE TOP LINE. YEAH. UM, BUT 90 10 IS PROBABLY FAIR. 90 10 MEANING WHAT? 90% OF THE REVENUE ESTIMATES FROM LINE ONE ORDER. LINE ONE. LINE ONE. SO WHAT? BUT THE 10% IS NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH MESSING WITH THAT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. TAKE A LOOK AND COLLECT, COLLECT IT. OKAY. THERE'S PEOPLE AROUND HERE GOING, THOSE, THOSE TOUR, IT'LL MAKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BIRD AND A WHOLE LOT EASIER TOO. BECAUSE REALLY YOU'RE JUST TALKING TO TWO BUSINESSES AT THAT POINT. YES. I THINK YOU GOT WATER PARK, 5% GREAT. GARDEN AND WATER. YOU. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T, I VOTE I'M GO FOR 10%. I'M GONNA GO FOR 10% IF WE'RE GONNA GO FOR ONE. NO WAY. THAT'S LOOK, A WATER PARK AND AMUSEMENT. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUTSIDE. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA GET GO IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA PAY IT. THEY GONNA, THEY'LL PAY IT. IT'S 10%. NO, I'D GO WITH FIVE. I'M AT FIVE ONLY BECAUSE JCC HAS STARTED AT, WELL, WE LINE IT UP, I'LL GO ALONG, LINE UP WITH, WE LINING IT UP WITH J CCC. IF THEY INCREASED TO 10, THEN I WOULD INCREASE TO 10. ALL RIGHT. I GO THAT, THAT PART IT MAKES SENSE. AND WE CAN ADVERTISE THAT WE'RE LOWER THAN WAYNESBURG AND YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER THAN HAMPTON AND NEWPORT NEWS. SO CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT TAX RATE AMONG THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE AND UH, AND THEN WHICH IS 5%, RIGHT? YES. IN LINE ONE BECAUSE IT'S THE, IT'S WHERE THE BULK MONEY, 5% OR SIX THAT THEY VOTED ON. I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME. IS 5% OR 6%? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FIVE? FIVE. THEY PROPOSED SIX AT FIRST, BUT THEY ADOPTED FIVE. FIVE. BE COMPETITIVE. JUST KEEP IT AT THE SAME, SAME THING. [01:15:01] WE'RE ALL TRY TO KEEP IT THE SAME. OKAY. I PROBABLY, SO ARGUMENT Y IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, WE WILL GO WITH LINE ONE AND 5%. YES. THANK YOU. NOW OPEN DISCUSSION ON, ON EACH BOARD MEMBER. SHEILA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, RAISE BEFORE THE BOARD? WELL, YES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I, AS I SAID BEFORE THAT I ENJOY SOMETIMES WHEN I GO WITH FUNCTIONS IS PEOPLE WHO COME UP AND, AND TALK TO ME AND TURNS OUT THAT THEY'VE BEEN STUDENTS IN NORTH COUNTY YEARS AGO AND, AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING. AND WHEN WE WENT TO THE, UM, WIND TUNNEL, WIND TUNNEL, TUNNEL CUTTING, A WOMAN CAME UP TO ME AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE GOT TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL. AND, UH, SHE BECAME AN INTERN AT NASA. AND NASA HAS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM FOR INTERNS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW STUDENTS APPLY FOR IT OR WHAT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE PARENTS IF THE CHILDREN HAVE ANY INTEREST WHATSOEVER, IS TO, IS TO LOOK INTO THE INTERNSHIP THAT NASA PROVIDES. AND SHE DID. THAT WAS THE ROUTE THAT SHE TOOK. AND THEN GRADUATED. SHE, SHE GOT HER DEGREE, WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, SHE FINISHED, AS I SAID, TAB HIGH SCHOOL. AND, AND SHE WAS WORKING AND SHE GOT HER DEGREE. AND NOW SHE'S GOT A VERY, VERY RESPONSIBLE JOB AT NASA IN FINANCE. AND, UH, I I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE, AND BY THE WAY, SHE HAS LIVING IN NOW IN YORK COUNTY, THAT SHE HAD LEFT HER COUNTY FOR A WHILE, CAME BACK IN HER CHILDREN IN YORK COUNTY SCHOOLS. AND I THINK THAT SORT OF SHOWS PEOPLE THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB IF, IF AND YOU WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO THE AREA. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IT. SO I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT. NOW I'M GONNA LET YOU TALK ABOUT THE WIND TUNNEL. . . YEAH. UH, SHEILA AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE RIBBON CUTTING. AND, UH, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN LANGLAND FOREVER AND, UH, SO IT'S GROWING A LOT. THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF NEW BUILDINGS, REALLY BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. UM, THE WIND TUNNEL WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE. THE NEW WIND TUNNEL. UH, THEY GAVE US, UM, A, A VIEW OF SOME OF HOW THEY DO IT. AND, UM, THE BRAINIACS OVER THERE, UH, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE JUST BRAINIACS. I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST SUPER, SUPER SMART. AND I THINK THAT THAT, UM, PROGRAM FOR THE, THE YOUNGER STUDENTS TO BE A PART OF THAT EARLY ON IN THEIR LIFE. AND, UM, IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE TALK OUR TALKS WAS VERY GOOD. YEAH. THE, THE WERE, WE HAD THE DI THE FIRESIDE TALK, WHATEVER THEY CALL THAT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATOR WAS THERE, THERE WAS AN ASTRONAUT THERE AND THEN THE DIRECTOR OF, UH, THE FACILITY FACILITIES AND IT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR LONG. IT WAS, AND THEY ASKED THEM REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS AND, UH, SO I THINK A BUNCH OF THE STUDENTS WERE THERE AND, UM, BUT THE WHOLE PROGRAM WAS THREE HOURS. YES. I THINK IT STARTED AT 1110. 10 10. AND WE WERE OVER AT ONE, ONE O'CLOCK. YEAH. SO WE GOT A TOUR THROUGH THERE AND, UM, AND IT WAS ABOUT AN HOUR PRESENTATION. THE, UH, LIEUTENANT, BUT LIEUTENANT, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER. WHAT I WAS FASCINATED ABOUT IS THE DRONES. OH, YEAH. YEAH. THEY HAD A HUGE DRONE. THAT WAS A PLANE, BUT IT WAS A DRONE, BUT NOT OPERATED BY BATTERIES, LIKE MOST OF THE DRONES THAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO. BUT BY FUEL, THE ONLY THING IS YOU STILL HAVE TO REFILL IT. MM-HMM . SO IT, THE, THAT DRONE WAS GOOD FOR THREE HOURS AND UH, THEN THAT HAS TO COME BACK AND BE FILLED. WHEREAS OUR BATTERIES ONLY LAST WHAT, A COUPLE OF HOURS. ONE HOUR DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE DRONE. YEAH, COURSE, YEAH. RIGHT. DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE DRONE, BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY HAVE SUCH A VARIETY OF EQUIPMENT THERE TO SHOW WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IN A SMALL WAY TO MAGNIFY WHAT THE JOB ACTUALLY IS GOING TO BE, UH, RATHER THAN BUILDING IT IN SCENE THE REVERSE. SO VERY EFFECTIVE. IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS A GREAT TOUR. UM, I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH, UH, ALL THE MODERN NEW TECHNOLOGY, LIKE THE DRONES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE THE NASA PRO NASA PROGRAM ON OUR, UH, OUR TV STATION. SO I HOPE YOU'LL ALL TAKE THE TIME TO TUNE INTO IT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON COX, OTHERWISE YOU DON'T YEAH. YOU DON'T GET IT. OH, WELL, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I, I, THOSE OF YOU, THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN DO IT, PLEASE DO. BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY INSTRUCTION, GOOD EDUCATION FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, I THINK IT WASN'T THE FIRST ONE BUILT 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO. 40 YEARS AGO. 40 YEARS AGO, TUNNEL AND THE WIND TUNNEL. AND IT WAS THE FIRST IN THE STATES IS MY UNDERSTANDING. [01:20:01] AND THAT'S WHERE THE ASTRONAUTS CAME. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM STUDIED AT NASA FOR THAT, SO PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WITH THE NEW WIND TUNNEL AND ALL THAT STUFF. THEY USED TO DO THE RACE CARS IN THERE. YEAH. ALL THE CUP TEAMS USED TO BRING THEIR CARS THERE TO TEST MAKE YES, THEY DO. AND CHEAT 'EM UP. WELL, AND AND THEY'RE NOT REAL, THEY'RE NOT REAL CARS. 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE, OH, THEY BROUGHT A CAR. NO, THEY, NO, THEY MODELS, THEY, NO, THEY WERE BRINGING FULL SIZE CAR. CAR. YOU WOULDN'T FIT THAT SMOKE. NOT THAT ONE. BUT, BUT, BUT THE BIG ONES THAT USED HAVE THERE WOULD BRING FULL-SIZED CAR. OKAY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YEAH, THESE ARE JUST MODELS. THEY BUILD MODELS AND, AND THEY PUT THEM IN THE WIND TUNNEL. SO IT WAS REALLY ROBOTIC AND PRETTY COOL. THAT'S ALL I GOT. UM, SO AFTER TALKING TO A FEW FOLKS AND LOOKING AT THE, UM, LOW VOTER TURNOUT FOR THIS PRIMARY THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, I GET A SENSE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY SUFFERING FROM VOTING FATIGUE. YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T JUST LAST NOVEMBER WE CAME OFF OUR GENERAL ELECTION. IT WAS PRETTY, UM, UM, COMPETITIVE. WE HAD A VERY, UM, UH, UH, ENERGIZED AND EXHAUSTING SPECIAL ELECTION HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE GOING RE FROM RECENTLY. UM, THE PRIMARY ELECTION, I BELIEVE WRAPS UP TODAY AND THEN SEPTEMBER 18TH, BOOM, WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO EARLY VOTING FOR, FOR THIS YEAR'S GENERAL ELECTION. SO I KIND OF GET THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE ARE LIKE, JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST FATIGUED. THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST TIRED AND KIND OF BURNED OUT. UM, AND I GET IT. UM, BUT STILL WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY, TAKE A BREAK, TAKE A BREATH, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE STARTING SEPTEMBER 18TH, GO TO THE POLLS, CAST YOUR VOTES. THOSE WILL BE THREE. UM, UH, SPECIAL REFERENDUMS, VERY IMPORTANT REFERENDUMS, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS, CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, ON THE BALLOT THIS YEAR AS WELL AS, UM, UM, UM, OFFICES UP, UP FOR ELECTION. SO I GET IT A LOT GOING ON SEEM, SEEM LIKE WE'RE AT THE POLLS ALL THE TIME, BUT TAKE A BREAK BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER, CATCH YOUR BREATH AND PLEASE PLAN ON GOING, GETTING INTO THE POLLS AND, AND CAST YOUR VOTES. LET'S GET A GOOD TURNOUT AGAIN THIS YEAR. VERY SMALL TURNOUT TODAY. CAN I ADD HEARING ALL, ALL ACROSS THE STATE TOO? NOT JUST HERE IN YORK COUNTY ALL ACROSS THE YEAH, I'M SURE. THINK OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THE POLLS SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO VOTE AND, AND THEY'RE ALMOST AT BURNOUT BECAUSE OF ALL YEAH. THE DIFFERENT, ALL THE VOTES TIMES THAT THEY HAVE TO BE THERE NOW. AND SO HATS OFF TO THEM. I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY WEREN'T DOING THE JOB, WE, WHAT WOULD WE DO? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, TODAY I HAD, UH, UH, IN THE, UH, FINANCE COMMITTEE, HR TECH, UM, WE DID SOME CONTRACT STUFF, WHICH I CAN'T TALK ABOUT, BUT THE, THE PART OF IT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS A BIG DISCUSSION ON, UH, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH A, A PROPOSAL TO SOMEHOW GET THE STATE TO ALLOW EITHER THE STATE TO EITHER PUT MONEY INTO A FUND MM-HMM . OR TO ALLOW US TO TAX OURSELVES. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING NOWADAYS. UM, SO ANYWAY, INTO A SPECIAL FUND SO WE CAN WORK ONLY PRIMARY SECONDARY ROADS. OKAY. UM, ALL THE MONEY WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING THAT 0.7% TAX, UH, SALES TAX, UH, THAT WE COLLECT, UH, THROUGH ALL THE MISS 17 MUNICIPALITIES OF THE AREA GOES INTO PAYING FOR THE MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS, HAM ROAD, BRIDGE TUNNEL, THE WIDENING OF, UH, 64. AND UM, AND THEN, UH, ALL THE HIGH RISE BRIDGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT ALL GOES IN THERE AND IT'S JUST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. UM, AND IT ALLOWS LEASE, WE'VE GET, WE'RE GETTING THERE. OKAY. THE, THE TUNNEL, I WAS TOLD, UH, LAST MONTH THAT THE TUNNEL WOULD BE OPEN AT DECEMBER OF 27. SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER YEAR OUT. SO, UM, WE'LL SEE IF THEY MAKE THAT. AND, UM, SO, UM, THE, THE BIG THING IS THERE WAS A, UM, 64 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TUNNEL IS A DISASTER. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WHEN YOU SAY OTHER SIDE, YOU THE OTHER SIDE FROM ON THIS SIDE AND THAT SIDE. YEAH. WELL NEWS, THE HIGH RISE BRIDGE AND, AND SO THEY'RE WORKING AROUND, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY ACTUALLY TO CREATE, UH, UM, EXPRESS LANES OR DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO 6 64 OKAY. COMING AROUND. SO THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LOOP. AND SO WE'RE, UH, THE BODY'S ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO, TO EXTEND THAT SO THAT WE CAN WORK THE PROJECTS AND CONTINUE AROUND FROM BOWERS HILL AND BRING IT ON UP. UM, BUT THE, THE, THE BIG THING WAS, UH, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO GET 17 MUNICIPALITIES TO WORK TOGETHER MM-HMM . TRY TO DO SOMETHING. AND IT'S PRETTY AMAZING THAT WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. SO THERE'S A LOT TO [01:25:01] BE PROUD OF THAT THAT'S RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST TRYING TO GET A FUND ESTABLISHED SO THE STATE CAN DUMP MONEY INTO IT, THAT IF WE HAD TO WORK ON OUR SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAMS OR PRIMARY ROAD PROGRAMS, WE WOULD DO IT. OKAY. IN THE PRIMARY FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, A PRIMARY ROAD IS ANYTHING, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAVE, IT'S 600 AND BELOW. OKAY. SO THE HIGHWAY 58, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S A PRIMARY, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRIMARY ROAD VICTORY BOULEVARD 1 71 17. THESE ARE ALL PRIMARY ROADS, 60 ROUTE 60 UP IN YOUR AREA THERE. THOSE ARE PRIMARY ROADS. SECONDARY ROADS ARE ROADS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HIGHER THAN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY 600 AND HIGHER. OKAY. UH, LIKE BIG BETHEL ROAD OR NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS WHERE YOU SEE 3000 AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THOSE COME, ALL THAT FUNDING COMES OUT OF, FOR THOSE THINGS COMES OUT OF DIFFERENT POTS AND IN DIFFERENT PRIORITIES. UM, AND, UH, THOSE, THAT'S ALL SET UP BY THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD, THE STATE AND THE, MAYBE THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. AND THEY, THEY DICTATE WHERE WE CAN SPEND THE MONEY. OKAY. AND HOW THAT MONEY'S SPENT. I GET A TON OF QUESTIONS EVERY YEAR, EVERY MONTH ABOUT WHY CAN'T I GET MY, WHY CAN'T I GET, UH, MY STREET PAVED, UH, RUNNING MAN, RUNNING MAN TRAIL IS A GOOD ONE. UH, UH, WHY DOES, WHY DOES KILM CREEK GET UH MM-HMM . MORE MONEY FOR THAT, THAT STREET? THEN WHY CAN'T WE GET OUR, WHY CAN'T WE DO ALL KIND OF STUFF? AND IT'S LITERALLY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S NEEDED. SECONDARY PRIMARY ROAD, UM, CONSTRUCTION, NOT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE PROJECTS WE'VE IDENTIFIED RIGHT NOW'S ABOUT $60 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS. OKAY. SO, AND THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE FOR MAYBE 900,000, 900 MILLION THE MOST. OKAY. SO IT'S, SOME OF THESE ROADS WILL NEVER EVER SEE A LIGHT A DAY OF FUNDING UNLESS WE END UP DOING IT OURSELVES. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER PART OF SCHOOLS. YEAH. AND THEN WE GOT SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO , UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS LIKE, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHICH IS I'VE BEEN HARPING ON FOREVER. UM, AND IT'S, UH, I I CONSTANTLY GET JUST, JUST CONSTANTLY IS A, IT'S A DRUM BEAT ABOUT WHAT YOU GOTTA WIDEN THIS ROAD. WHAT YOU GOTTA WIDEN THE ROAD. WELL, THE WIDEN RIGHT NOW IN THE 200, IT'S IN JUST THE HA THE FACT THAT IT'S IN THE 250 YEAH. THE, THE TWO 50 PLAN, WHATEVER WE CALL THAT. UM, OR THE 50 YEAR PLAN OR THE WHATEVER, WHATEVER, I CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH ANYMORE. BUT ANYWAY, THE FACT THAT'S IN THERE, IT'S 190, $176 MILLION TO, TO WIDEN THAT ROAD BY ADDING TWO LANES ON IT, AND IT'S ONLY MAYBE THREE AND A HALF, FOUR MILES. IT'S $176 MILLION. IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE THE COST OF THESE ROADS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONSTANT, IT'S A CONSTANT STRUGGLE BALANCING THE, THE COMPETING DEMANDS WITH THE CITIES AND ALL THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I DO IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS KIND OF GO TO YOUR, YOUR NASA THING, IT REALLY KIND OF BOTHERS ME, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAD THAT OPEN HOUSE, UH, WHAT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO? IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. WOW. WHAT IT TURNOUT? WHAT A TURNOUT. I HEARD ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 60,000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND THERE WERE PEOPLE COMING IN FROM, NOT ONLY FROM ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, CALIFORNIA AND ALL THE OUT WEST, BUT PEOPLE FROM EUROPE. MM-HMM . FLEW IN JUST TO COME IN AND GET IN AND, AND IT WAS A PAIN IN THE ASS TRYING TO GET INTO THE SAME BECAUSE, BECAUSE JUST THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 60,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND YOU GOTTA BUS 'EM IN. I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE BUS ROUTES, JUST YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH BUSES UP HERE TO DO IT. WELL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT ANYMORE. UM, NASA RIGHT NOW THAT HAS BEEN RESTRICTED FROM DOING ANY OPEN HOUSES BECAUSE OF FUNDING, UH, FUNDING ISSUES, NASA'S BEING FUNDED PROPERLY WITH NO MORE OPEN HOUSES. AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY SAD BECAUSE IF YOU GO IN THERE WITH THE KIDS AND YOU TAKE 'EM DOWN TO SEE THE FABRICATION MACHINE THEY HAD DOWN THERE, OH MY GOSH. IT'S LIKE THIS BIG ARM COMING OUT AND DOING ALL, HE GOT TO MEET THE ASTRONAUTS AND, AND GET PICTURES AND MEET THE, MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND, AND THERE WAS A, A GROUP THERE THAT IN THIS ONE BUILDING, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS, THEY ACTUALLY BUILD CIRCUIT BOARDS. THEY ACTUALLY BUILD THEIR OWN CIRCUIT BOARDS. I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY BY THAT. AND THEN THEY GO OUT AND TEST THEM AND THEY FRY 'EM UP AND THEY, THEN THEY GO BACK, DO IT AGAIN. . SO THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT STUFF COMING OUT OF NASA THAT REALLY CAN INFLUENCE THE FUTURE, UH, OF KIDS, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY INFLUENCE EM. DON'T YOU THINK THEY CAN HAVE FIELD TRIPS OVER THERE? I DON'T, WOULDN'T NOT SURE. HOUSE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY, THEY DO IN TERMS, I, I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN. I WOULD TO DO WITH KID, DEAL WITH KIDS DEAL TRIPS FROM THESE, BUT, BUT NO MORE OPEN HOUSES FOR BEING, AND THAT'S KIND OF SAD. AND THE SAME WITH JEFFERSON LABS. THAT OPEN HOUSE I WENT TO, I GUESS IT WAS LAST YEAR. IT WAS FASCINATING WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO THERE. AND IT'S SUCH A HUGE CAMPUS. JEFFERSON LABS IS FANTASTIC. I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME FUNDING CONSTRAINTS AS IT'S A SMALL, SMALL NUMBER OF KIDS THAT GET TO GO, ONLY GET TO GO [01:30:01] THROUGH THERE. SO IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'D BE VERY INSPIRING FOR CHILDREN. MM-HMM . UH, TO ONE, GET A GREAT EDUCATION. YES. SEE SOMETHING THEY LIKE AND THEN, AND THEN ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW? SO THIS IS GREAT. ANYWAY, THAT WAS IT. TOM, REGARDING THE TELE OPENING UP IN DECEMBER, ARE THERE PERFORMANCE ENHANCEMENTS TO ENTICE THEM TO OPEN YES. EARLIER, OR THERE IS TS OPEN LATE. IT'S $90 MILLION. THERE'S, UM, THEY, UM, THEY, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S CALLED, UM, I, I WANT TO CALL IT SIGNIFICANCE. IT'S, IT'S, THEY GOT A WORD FOR IT, BUT IT'S, UH, THEY REACH A POINT OF LIKE, UH, WHERE IT'S MOSTLY DONE. YEAH. OKAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. SIGNIFICANT COMPLETION. I MEAN, SIGNIFICANT COMPLETION. OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, AND FROM THAT, THEN IF THEY REACH THAT MILESTONE, THEN THEY GET THE $90 MILLION. BUT IF THEY EXTEND BEYOND IT, THEY START LOSING THE MONEY. START LOSING THE MONEY. THE MONEY. SO, SO IT WAS WHAT? YEAH, SO, UM, THEY'VE HAD TO, WE HAD TO ACTUALLY EXTEND THE CONTRACT AND IN FACT, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT, LOSE ALL OF IT, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T, UH, I'M GLAD THERE'S SOME PERFORMANCE. YEAH. WE GOT THERE FOR YES. OKAY. AND THEY, I TELL YOU WHAT, THEY HIRED IT. THEY, THERE WAS LIKE 2000 PEOPLE THERE EVERY DAY. I THINK IT WAS JUST TONS OF PEOPLE ON THAT, ON THESE PROJECTS. OKAY. TALK ABOUT DEVELOPER DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES. AT THE LAST MEETING, MARK DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF, UH, SUMMARIZING THAT AND SENDING A REPORT TO US. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES. THE REASON I SAY THAT, YES, I THINK IT'S RIGHT. JUST HAD A RECENT, WE FIND IT WAS BEFORE RECENT EXAMPLE, WE HAD A 325 UNIT APARTMENT GOING UP, UH, NEWPORT NEWS SIDE OF OUR YORK COUNTY BOUNDARY. UH, WITH THE INTENT OF TYING INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEMS AND USING SURPLUS AVAILABLE IN OUR SEWER SYSTEM, A LONG VICTORY, UH, TO BASICALLY GET AWAY WITH HAVING TO INVEST NO MONEY INTO SEWERS. SO YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS GET TO PAY THE BILL FOR A NEW 325, UH, UNIT TO APARTMENT BUILDING. THAT'S THE REASON WE NEED AN IMPACT FEE. MM-HMM . UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT. A HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TOLD 'EM NO. AND THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. MM-HMM . BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR COUNTY INVESTMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S, UH, IT'S DESIGNED TO HANDLE FUTURE INVESTMENT THAT YOUR COUNTY HAS IN THAT AREA. NOT, NOT TO JUST GIVE IT AWAY, UH, BUT THIS IS THE, THE THEME THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION AGAINST. UH, AND, AND HENCE THE, UH, THE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN OUR PRIORITIES, I THINK. WOULD THOSE IMPACT FEES BE APPLICABLE TO SCHOOL IMPACTS? WELL, EVENTUALLY, YES. YEAH. IT'S SCHOOL, IT'S, IT'S EMS, IT'S POLICE, IT'S EVERYTHING. YEAH. THAT'S COMMON SENSE. THEY HAVE TO BE RATIONALLY, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC ITEM. YEAH. SURE. FOR THEM TO BE CONSTITUTIONAL. SURE. THANK YOU. YEP. I AGREE. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. I DO NEED TO STATE THAT, UH, ANNOUNCE THE NEXT YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WILL BE 6:00 PM AUGUST 18TH IN THE BOARD ROOM. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.