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          [A. Call to Order]
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CALL IS, UH, JULY 21ST, 2026 FOR SUPERVISORS LEADING ORDER. 
          MR. HURO? YES, MRS. NOLL. 
          GOOD. 
          MR. DRURY PRESENT. 
          MR. ROH HERE, MR. SHEPHERD? UH, YES. 
           BE DIFFERENT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL CALL ON, UH, PASTOR, UH, DAVID SMILE. 
          DANIEL SMILEY, SORRY, OF CENTRAL BAPTIST CHURCH TO LEAD US IN INVOCATION. 
          ALRIGHT, MS. PRAY. 
          PRAY. 
          THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TOGETHER, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS, UH, THIS, UH, MEETING THAT WE CAN OPENLY HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US SO WE CAN HAVE FREEDOM TO DO SO. 
          LORD, WE WANNA THANK YOU FOR THESE LEADERS ON THIS BOARD. 
          I PRAY THAT A VERY SPECIAL BLESSING WOULD BE GIVEN TO THEM TODAY. 
          PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE THEIR THOUGHTS AND DECISIONS. 
          LORD, I PRAY THAT YOU PLEASE, UH, UNITE THEM AND MAKE ALL THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT TODAY, UH, DRIVE TOWARDS A RIGHTEOUS CONCLUSION. 
          LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU PLEASE HELP THEIR HEALTH, HELP THEIR ENERGY. 
          UH, LORD, UH, WE THINK BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE FOUNDING FATHERS AS THEY DRAFTED THE CONSTITUTION. 
          LORD, THEY ONLY HAD UNITY AND THEY ONLY HAD PEACE, AND THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO PROGRESS WHEN THEY PUT THEIR PURPOSES AND THEIR WILL TOWARDS YOU. 
          LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP THEM TO RISE TOWARD THE CALLING THAT YOU PUT ON THEIR LIVES. 
          HELP THEM TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, LORD, AND HELP THEM TO HAVE THE WISDOM TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION WHERE WE DO ALL THESE THINGS. 
          IN YOUR NAME, JESUS NAME I PRAY. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          AMEN. 
          THOSE WHO ARE ABLE, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE. 
          MR. BREWERY, CAN I HAVE YOU TAKE, TAKE A LEAVE? I PLEDGE YOU ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          OKAY, I HAD A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          FIRST I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, DELEGATE THORNTON DISTRICT, UH, 86. 
          HE'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. 
          WELCOME, SIR. 
          AND BEFORE WE BEGIN, IF WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS WHO CAME FOR A CERTAIN PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE ONE WITHDRAWN APPLICATION. 
          THE COUNTY ADVERTISED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A TOURIST HOME SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON WINTHROP ROAD. 
          THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT'S. 
          [E. Presentations]
I'LL NOW MOVE ON TO, UH, PRESENTATIONS. 
          I'LL CALL ON MR. BELLAMY FOR VACO ACHIEVEMENT AWARD PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU MR. HURO. 
          UH, JAMES HUSTLER FROM HE, HE IS THE GOVERNMENT RELATIONS ASSOCIATE FOR VACO, AND HE IS HERE TO PROVIDE AWARD. 
          AND AS JAMES GETS HIMSELF SETTLED IN RIGHT THERE, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT. 
          I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, JAMES IS FROM VACO. 
          OUR NATIONAL ORGANIZATION IS NACO, AND JUST THIS PAST FRIDAY, UH, TIM AND THE IT STAFF RECEIVED ANOTHER AWARD FROM NACO, UH, BASED ON THE DIGITAL SIT COUNTY'S SURVEY. 
          AND IT LOOKS AT THINGS LIKE CYBERSECURITY, DIGITAL SERVICES, AND INNOVATION IN IT. 
          SO BESIDES WHAT JAMES IS GETTING READY TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT, THAT STAFF HAS DONE SOME OTHER GREAT WORK. 
          AND, AND MR. BELL MAY MAYBE REAL QUICK FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH NACO AND VACO QUICK, UM, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES AND THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. 
          SO, ALRIGHT, IS THIS THING ON? ALRIGHT, COOL. 
          HEY, JAMES ZER, VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, AND I HAD A PARDON IN MY SPEECH. 
          IT ACTUALLY DECI DESCRIBE WHAT THE, UH, WHAT VACO DOES. 
          AND WE'RE HERE TO SERVE COUNTY LEADERS. 
          WE ARE ADVOCATING ON YOUR BEHALF AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY LEVEL. 
          GREAT TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HERE TODAY. 
          UH, WE ALSO ADVOCATE FOR COUNTY PRIORITIES ACROSS THE STATE, UH, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS WELL. 
          UM, WE ALSO LIKE TO CONNECT WITH OUR COUNTY MEMBERS THROUGH MEMBER SERVICES. 
          UH, THINGS LIKE OUR SUPERVI, OUR CERTIFIED SUPERVISORS PROGRAM, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS, UH, HAVE EITHER GONE THROUGH OR ARE GOING THROUGH. 
          AND SO WE REALLY LIKE TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE STATE AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS. 
          UM, BUT I'M HERE, UH, IN OUR, IN MY CAPACITY AT PHACO TO PRESENT THE ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR THE, UH, YORK COUNTY'S AI RECYCLING LOOKUP. 
          AND I'M ALSO GLAD TO HEAR THAT, UH, OUR PARENT ORGANIZATION, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, HAS ALSO BESTOWED AN AWARD. 
          UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO PRESENT THIS AWARD AND YOU KNOW, I, I I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S ABOUT YOUR COUNTY. 
          UH, AND I'D LOVE TO CALL MY FRIEND TIM WYATT UP TO, UH, DISCUSS MORE ABOUT WHAT THE AWARD, UH, IS ACTUALLY FOR AND WHAT THE PROGRAM DOES. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          SO THIS AWARD WAS KIND OF CATCHPHRASE FROM CRISIS CODE 
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IN FOUR HOURS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I BELIEVE IT'S A GREAT CULMINATION OF THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OF THE STAFF AND THE RESOURCES THAT THIS BOARD PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY, UM, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          SO, KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN LATE 2025, AS MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS REALIZED IS OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM UNEXPECTEDLY GOT CANCELED FOR THE REGION. 
          AND WE WENT ALONG THREE MONTHS WITHOUT ANY RECYCLING THROUGH HARD WORK. 
          YORK COUNTY PROCURED ANOTHER CONTRACT, BUT WE NEEDED TO COMMUNICATE OUT TO EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN, 17,000 HOUSEHOLDS WHEN THE RECYCLING WAS GONNA BE PICKED UP. 
          SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD PROBLEM. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN YOU KIND OF TAKE IN ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS, IT WASN'T SO SIMPLE. 
          THE INITIAL SOLUTION WAS, OKAY, WE'LL PUT IT AS PART OF OUR PROPERTY INFORMATION. 
          THE DATA'S ALREADY THERE, BUT IT WASN'T INTUITIVE. 
          AND THE SYSTEMS REACHED OUT IN ONE DAY. 
          UH, WASTE SERVICES GOT OVER 500 CALLS TRYING TO FIND IT OUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T INTUITIVE. 
          THE INITIAL SOLUTION DID NOT MEET THE CITIZEN'S NEEDS. 
          SO ONCE WE WERE ALERTED TO THIS AND WE SAID, WE NEED TO DO BETTER, THAT'S WHAT WE DO IN GOVERNMENT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST NOT GIVE THE BEST SERVICE WE POSSIBLY CAN. 
          WE GOT TOGETHER DUE TO THE LAST YEAR WORKING WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, UM, TRAINING UP STAFF, WE WERE ABLE TO ENGAGE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, CREATE A WEBSITE PROGRAM WHERE CITIZENS SIMPLY COULD GO ON, TYPE IN THEIR ADDRESS, EVEN IF THEY MISSPELLED SOMETHING, IF THEY WROTE OUT DRIVE INSTEAD OF DR OR VICE VERSA, IT WOULD MATCH THEIR ADDRESS AND TELL 'EM WHAT IT WAS. 
          WHEN I ORIGINALLY WAS KIND OF PROPOSED WITH THIS PROBLEM, I WENT TO AI AND SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THIS GOING TO TAKE? HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS? AND IT SAID, NO PROBLEM. 
          HERE'S A SCOPE OF WORK. 
          GIVE THIS TO YOUR TEAM OF PROGRAMMERS AND IT'LL TAKE 'EM A WEEK TO DO IT. 
          AND THEN THREE MORE WEEKS TO IMPLEMENT IT. 
          AND I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A TEAM OF PROGRAMMERS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE PROGRAMMER ON STAFF. 
          AND TRYING TO CONSULT OUT AND CONTRACT OUT LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULD WOULD TAKE TOO LONG. 
          I SAID, I DON'T HAVE WEEKS, I DON'T HAVE MONTHS, I HAVE HOURS. 
          SO ONE HOUR LATER WE HAD AI, THE ACTUAL APPLICATION COMPLETELY DONE. 
          THEN THROUGH A LOT OF STAFF RESOURCES, WE ENGAGED THIRD PARTIES BECAUSE OUR WEBSITE'S ON A THIRD PARTY PLATFORM. 
          WE HAD TO STAND UP A SERVER INTERNALLY, DO A LOT OF TECHNICAL THINGS. 
          WE WENT OVER EVERY LINE OF CODE THAT THE AI GENERATED IN THAT ONE HOUR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          IT WAS CORRECTLY DOING. 
          AND WITHIN HALF A DAY WE HAD A SOLUTION. 
          SO CITIZENS HAD A, HAD A NEED, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE WERE ABLE TO RESPOND WITHIN FOUR HOURS OF THAT NEED. 
          WHAT I KIND OF LIKE TO SAY TO MY STAFF IS, WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE AT THE SPEED OF SOCIAL MEDIA  AS SOON AS RESIDENTS ARE TELLING US, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE X ON SOME OF THOSE NEEDS. 
          WE'RE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION, ENGAGE THE RIGHT TOOLS AND DO THIS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL AWARD WAS FOR. 
          AND THE BELIEF THAT IT WOULD SCALE OUT SINCE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN WE SUBMITTED THIS, WE'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED THIS DESIGN FOR TWO OTHER NEEDS AND HAD SIMILAR OUTCOMES WITHIN ABOUT FOUR HOURS. 
          WE HAD A SOLUTION THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN US MULTIPLE MONTHS TO ACHIEVE OR POSSIBLY NOT BEEN POSSIBLE AT ALL BEFORE THAT. 
          SO, HOW, WITH THAT, THANK YOU. 
          UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. 
          GREAT JOB. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          A GREAT JOB, MR. BELLAMY. 
          I DID NOT WANT YOU TO SHUT DOWN RECYCLING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A NEED THAT, UH, SOLVE IT FOR HOURS. 
          WELL, HEY, JUST WANTED TO CLOSE IT OUT. 
          IT'S GREAT TO HEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, AI'S IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, PEOPLE TERRIFIED OVER IT, PEOPLE EXCITED OVER IT. 
          IT'S GREAT TO SEE AI BEING IMPLEMENTED TO ACTUALLY SOLVE A PROBLEM, UH, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. 
          REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO, THAT YOUR STAFF DOES. 
          UH, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK NEXT YEAR TO PRESENT ANOTHER AWARD. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, JAMES. 
          NEXT I'LL CALL ON, UH, ABBOTT WOODALL, HOUSING MANAGER FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES TO TALK ABOUT PENMAN ROAD CORRIDOR REHABILITATION PROJECT. 
          ABBOTT FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET THIS COME UP HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME, UH, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PENMAN ROAD STUDY AND REHABILITATION PROJECT. 
          UH, VERY QUICKLY, UH, BECAUSE I WANNA GET TO THAT, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A, A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE MOST RECENT, UH, RENOVATION PROJECT OR REHABILITATION PROJECT THAT WE'VE DONE, WHICH IS KERRY'S CHAPEL ROAD ON THE LOWER END OF THE COUNTY. 
          UH, WE JUST RECENTLY CLOSED THAT PROJECT OUT. 
          JUST QUICK NUMBERS 14 HOMES WERE RENOVATED THROUGH THAT PROJECT. 
          ONE HOME WAS, UH, DEMOLISHED AND RECONSTRUCTED. 
          IT JUST WASN'T SAVEABLE. 
          AND THEN ONE, UH, VACANT STRUCTURE. 
          IT WAS, UH, SECOND HOUSE ON A LOT NOT PERMITTED. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, VACANT LIGHTING AND WE DEMOLISHED THAT. 
          AND JUST THE QUICK NUMBERS ON THIS, UM, IT WAS JUST SHY OF ONE, IT WAS $1.3 MILLION, UH, 344,000 A MATCH, WHICH 
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A LOT OF THAT WAS ALSO STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE, UH, RECYCLED IN FOR A TOTAL PROJECT OF JUST SHY OF 1.7 MILLION. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF, UH, IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE, UH, MATCH DOLLARS CAME FROM, THOSE ARE NOT ALL LOCAL DOLLARS. 
          UH, IT WAS A SMALL AMOUNT THAT CAME FROM OUR EMERGENCY REPAIR PROGRAM. 
          UH, BUT THE BULK OF THAT MONEY CAME FROM PROGRAM INCOME FROM PRIOR PROJECTS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE FEE CARRYOVERS FROM OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. 
          IT'S KIND OF A MISMATCH OF DIFFERENT FUNDS. 
          WELL, HOW MUCH DID, HOW MUCH CAME OUT OF THE COUNTY? UM, OUT OF THE COUNTY, PROBABLY LIKE 30 GRAND. 
          THEY GET $1.3 MILLION. 
          AWESOME. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND REMIND US WHAT CDBG, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. 
          UM, SO IT IS A, THE, IT'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE A NON ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY, MEANING THAT WE DON'T GET A DIRECT ALLOCATION FROM HUD, UH, NEWPORT NEWS AND OTHER LARGE MUNICIPALITIES DO WE HAVE TO APPLY THROUGH THE STATE. 
          SO WE'VE HAD, UH, VERY GOOD, UM, TRACK, UH, TRACK RECORD OF GOING TO THE STATE FOR, UH, OUR BARLOW ROAD PROJECT, THE CAR, UH, THE, UM, CARVER GARDENS PROJECT, CARIES CHAPEL. 
          UH, WE DID DO SOME, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANTS DURING COVID. 
          UH, SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THOSE. 
          AND IT'S, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT USING FOR ALL OF THE PENMAN ROAD PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE USED IT FOR MOST RECENTLY AND, AND HOW THAT, UH, WORKED FOR US. 
          SO THE PENMAN ROAD, UH, HOUSING STUDY AND PROJECT, IF YOU WILL, WE RECEIVED A $75,000 GRANT FROM, UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE STILL CDPG DOLLARS. 
          THESE ARE PLANNING GRANT DOLLARS. 
          IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS GO IN AND INSPECT HOMES. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME UPFRONT COSTS FOR US OF ALL THE SURVEYING WE NEED TO DO. 
          UH, JUST TRYING TO, UH, IDENTIFY PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE NEED AND THE DEMAND MATCH. 
          UH, SO THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO GO TO THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTY IS THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST CONCENTRATIONS OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE IT MM-HMM . 
          THAT WE MAINTAIN THESE HOMES AND WE HELP. 
          UH, AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS OUT HERE TOO ARE ELDERLY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEIR ORIGINAL OCCUPANTS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THE HOME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HELPING THEM TO, UH, BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, UH, WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY GIS DEPARTMENT, UH, TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HOMES OVER 50 YEARS OLD. 
          THAT'S NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST THERE'S SOME AGE THERE. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IN A LOT OF THESE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THESE ARE ALL EITHER RANCH STYLE OR, UM, SMALLER BUNGALOWS, UH, THAT'S THE, A PREDOMINANT NUMBER OF THESE HOUSES ARE ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE GET OUT AND START LOOKING AT 'EM, WE START SEEING THAT THEY'RE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO BE UPDATED AND REFRESHED. 
          SO THE WAY WE STARTED THIS ONCE WE GOT OUR GRANT AWARD IS WE MAILED OUT 882 SURVEYS, UH, WHICH IS EVERYONE THAT, UH, GIS IDENTIFIED IN THOSE, UH, TARGETED AREAS. 
          UH, WE RECEIVED JUST SHY OF 200 RESPONSES WITH 120 PEOPLE WHO, UH, AT LEAST SELF-IDENTIFIED INCOME QUALIFYING AND INTERESTED. 
          UH, NOW WE ARE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO MORE SURVEYS, UM, BUT THIS WAS THE INITIAL, UH, RESPONSE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          SO WE'VE HAD 40 OVER INCOME, 31 NOT INTERESTED, AND THREE OUTSIDE THE SERVICE AREA. 
          THE THREE OUTSIDE THE SERVICE AREA IS BECAUSE, AS TIM WOULD POINT OUT, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST RELY ON PAPER. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO RECOGNIZE IT'S A NEW DAY. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, UPLOADED THIS TO THE WEBSITE. 
          IT'S A, UH, ONLINE SURVEY AS WELL. 
          SO ANYONE WITHIN THIS AREA, ANYONE IN THE COUNTY IF THEY WANT TO, COULD ANSWER AND GIVE US, IDENTIFY THE NEEDS OR, UH, ANYTHING THAT THEY THINK THEY NEED AND, AND WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE COMPILING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND TRYING TO MATCH UP NEED AND DEMAND AND COME UP WITH, UH, A SERIES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE 120 PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED, WHO I JUST SHOWED YOU THAT WE DID, YOU KNOW, A SMALL HANDFUL. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT CHEAP. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE A, A NUMBER OF PROJECTS TO MEET THE FULL DEMAND OUT THERE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IDENTIFY, UH, UH, DISCRETE PROJECT AREAS SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THERE AND PRIORITIZE. 
          AND THEN OVER A SERIES OF YEARS, WE'LL, UH, THE END PLAN IS TO GO OUT AND SYSTEMATICALLY GO DOWN THE LIST BASED ON PRIORITY TO ADDRESS ALL THE NEED THAT WE CAN FIND. 
          SO THE FIRST IDENTIFIED PROJECT AREA, UH, WAS THE YORK TERRACE NORTHWEST, UH, COMMUNITY. 
          SO IT'S A COMPONENT OF YORK TERRACE AND YORK COURT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO 
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WE NAME THIS. 
          UH, YORK TERRACE IS A LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND IT'S, UH, WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE PROJECTS OUT THERE. 
          UH, WE JUST TRIED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S DESCRIPTIVE. 
          SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR $1.5 MILLION. 
          UH, WE HAVE COMMITTED A MATCH OF 75 4 50. 
          THAT'S OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          THAT IS ALSO COMING OUT OF THE EMERGENCY REPAIR BUDGET, UM, WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF FUNDS AND, UH, IS NOT ALL IN ONE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UH, AND RIGHT NOW, UH, WE HAVE, UH, COMMITTED TO COMMIT WORKING ON 16 HOMES IN THIS FIRST PROJECT AREA. 
          UM, THE OUTLINE IN RED, I MAY BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT I DID WANT TO SHOW PEOPLE'S INDIVIDUAL ADDRESSES THAT ARE AGREEING TO PARTICIPATE. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU WONDER WHY IT'S A WEIRD SHAPE, WE DON'T WANT TO NOT SERVE SOMEONE WHO, UH, MAY BE ELIGIBLE OR INTERESTED LATER. 
          SO WE TRY TO EXTEND THE PROJECT AREA AS FAR AS WE COULD BASED ON DEMAND UNTIL WE RAN OUTTA MONEY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT WHERE WE GOT. 
          SO, UH, WE STARTED OFF KIND OF IN THE, UH, YORK COURT AREA AND THEN EXTENDED DOWN STEWART DRIVE UNTIL WE JUST, WE SAID WE CANNOT SERVE ONE MORE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 75 NUMBER CAME IN. 
          WELL, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES, WE DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED THAT MUCH TO GET ALL THE HOUSES DONE, AND WE JUST, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT LAST, LAST HOUSE, HOW THESE PROJECTS WORK. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE ARE WORKING ON THE HOMES, WE DO A, UH, TEMPORARY RELOCATION, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE GUTTING THESE HOMES TO THE STUDS. 
          UH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IN OUR GRANT, UH, IS TO LEASE TWO APARTMENTS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN, AND THAT'S FOR PACING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TWO PROJECTS GOING AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DEMANDS. 
          WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROJECT QUICKLY SO WE CAN GET ONTO THE NEXT PROJECT. 
          THE OTHER COMPONENT IS WE DO MOBILE STORAGE PODS, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT WHEN THE CONTRACTORS COME IN, THEY'RE WORKING IN AN EMPTY OR VACANT HOUSE SO THAT WE CAN, IT JUST MAKES IT PROCESS MOVE FASTER. 
          THESE ARE ALL GRANT FUNDED. 
          UM, AND WHEN I SAY GRANT, THESE ARE 0% INTEREST FORGIVABLE LOANS. 
          UM, SO THAT THERE IS SOME SKIN IN THE GAME, IF YOU WILL. 
          IT'S NOT THAT IT'S JUST COMPLETELY FREE, UM, THERE, BUT IT'S COVERED UNDER THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, THOSE PICTURES ARE ACTUALLY FROM, UH, THE, UH, KERRY CHAPEL ROAD PROJECT. 
          THAT'S THE, UH, APARTMENT WE RENTED FOR THE LAST PROJECT. 
          UM, AND WE WERE RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE FOR, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, I THINK WE WERE THE FIRST ONE TO START RENTING APARTMENTS. 
          IT USED TO BE WE WOULD JUST DO HOTEL ROOMS. IT GOT TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE MINDFUL OF OUR, OUR RESOURCES. 
          UM, THE OTHER, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THE COMPONENTS WE HAVE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, UH, THERE IS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO VERIFY TITLE AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE OWN IT. 
          UM, WE'RE VERIFYING THAT, UH, WE DO CONTRACT OUT WITH A, UH, A PRIVATE, UH, UH, ATTORNEY WHO GOES AND DOES OUR TITLE SEARCHES, RESOLVES AND WORKS WITH US TO RESOLVE ERROR ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO THE DEEDS OF TRUST. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO ARE DOING SIMPLE WILLS. 
          UM, THESE ARE NOT, UH, INVOLVED ESTATE PLANNING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK IN, WE FIND THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO DO THE TITLE. 
          WE DO ALL THE AIR CLEANUP, SO IT'S CHEAP ON THE FRONT END. 
          AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THE NEXT GENERATION WON'T HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES WITH, UH, CLOUDY TITLE WHEN THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY, ANY OF THAT PRO BONO WORK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT'S VERY DISCOUNTED. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, YES. 
          UM, ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO IF ANYONE IN THE HOME IS DISABLED, WE WILL PUT IN WHATEVER MAKES SENSE. 
          THIS IS, AGAIN, FROM CARRIE'S CHAPEL. 
          GENTLEMAN IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, HIS WIFE IS SOMEWHAT FRAIL. 
          WE DIDN'T THINK A RAMP MADE THE MOST SENSE FOR HER TO BE PUSHING HIM UP AND DOWN THAT RAMP. 
          SO THIS IS A WHEELCHAIR LIFT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT IN COST. 
          UM, BUT IT MAKES BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          UM, JUST QUICKLY GO SOME PICTURES. 
          STRUCTURAL REPAIRS, IF YOU CAN TELL THAT IS STRUCTURAL STEEL. 
          ALL THESE ARE GETTING FROM OUR MOST RECENT PROJECTS, UM, WE'VE RUN INTO A LOT OF CRAWL SPACES THAT ARE IN, IN, IN SERIOUS TROUBLE AGING IN PLACE. 
          EVERY PROJECT WE LOOK AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS HOME, UH, LAST, NOT JUST FOR TODAY, BUT GOING FORWARD. 
          SO UNLESS YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED A BATHTUB, WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND, MAYBE YOU WANNA LOOK AT A WALK-IN SHOWER, THINGS THAT ARE, MAKE THIS HOME MORE SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM SO THAT WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, AGING IN, IN THE WAY THAT WE WANT. 
          UM, WE'RE REPLACING INTERIOR COMPONENTS. 
          SO, UM, UH, AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE CABINETS THAT ARE ORIGINAL FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE WAS FROM THE THIRTIES, UM, THEY WERE IN, IN NEED OF A LITTLE UPLIFT. 
          AND THEN EXTERIOR WISE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDRESSING, UH, YOU CAN'T TELL THAT THE POST THAT WE PULLED OUTTA HERE AT WE'RE COATED IN LEAD. 
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SO WE HAD LEAD BASED PAINT. 
          WE ACTUALLY ARE WORKING WITH A FAMILY RIGHT NOW WITH OUR EMERGENCY PROGRAM WHERE THERE'S A YOUNG CHILD WITH ELEVATED BLOOD LEAD LEVELS. 
          WE'RE, UH, IF WE FIND LEAD, WE DO ABATE IT. 
          WE GET RID OF IT, WE HAVE IT TESTED, WE MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE. 
          SAME THING WITH ASBESTOS. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO DO CURB APPEAL BECAUSE WE WANT TO BRING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY UP. 
          SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO THAT IMPROVES THE, THE COMMUNITY AND THE, UM, CURB APPEAL AND THE, UM, PROPERTY VALUE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOSE THINGS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, JUST KIND OF A QUICK TIMELINE. 
          SO WE SUBMITTED THE GRANT, UH, IT WAS, I THINK IN JUNE. 
          Y'ALL APPROVED IT AT ONE OF YOUR SESSIONS FOR US TO REQUEST. 
          UM, AND NOW THAT WENT IN, IT WAS JULY 1ST. 
          WE ANTICIPATE FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENTS SOMETIME IN THE FALL OF 2026. 
          AND THEN WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO ANTICIPATE IT FOR SUCCESSFULLY AWARDED EITHER WINNER OR EARLY SPRING OF 2027. 
          UH, SOMETIME IN THAT RANGE, WE CAN'T KNOW. 
          IT GOES TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ON HER TIMELINE AND, BUT, UH, WE'VE BEEN TOLD TO EXPECT IT TO BE RELATIVELY QUICKLY AND COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          AND THEN I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. WHITTLE? I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          UM, WELL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THIS PROJECT, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT. 
          HE HAD A SLIDE THERE. 
          YOU WERE SHOWING THAT, RIGHT? CAN YOU CALL THAT BACK UP, PLEASE? OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          I THINK IT WAS LIKE YOUR THIRD SLIDE. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, HERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, YOU, OKAY, SO YOU REQUESTED A MILLION AND A HALF. 
          I'M GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION. 
          SO GRANT REQUEST, SO THE MATCH IS 75,000. 
          AND HOW IS THAT, THAT, WHERE IS THE MONEY FOR THE MATCH COMING FROM? UH, IT'S GONNA COME OUT OF OUR EMERGENCY REPAIR PROGRAM. 
          BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS IS PROJECTED TO HIT, IT'S GONNA HIT THREE FISCAL YEARS. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SPREAD OVER THREE FISCAL YEARS. 
          SO OUR EMERGENCY REPAIR PROGRAM IS A COMBINATION OF COUNTY FUNDS, STATE FUNDS, AND IT ALL KIND OF GETS, UH, LUMPED IN TOGETHER. 
          UH, LATER TONIGHT WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY REPAIR GRANT APPLICATION, OR MM-HMM . 
          UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THOSE, ALL THOSE ITEMS COMBINED TOGETHER, UM, TO, TO FUND THIS. 
          SO YOU THINK, UH, LIKE I'M CURIOUS, CHAPEL, IT WAS ABOUT 1.3 MILLION, SO IT WAS LIKE 30, 30,000 CAME FROM THE COUNTY. 
          SO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT THE SAME PROPORTION IT'S SHARED? ABOUT, ABOUT, YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, THERE WAS ONE HOUSE, YOU, YOU SHOWED HERE THAT HE COULD HAVE SHOWN A PICTURE THAT THE ONLY THING HOLDING THE WALLS OF THE HOUSE UP WAS THE FURNITURE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THIS HOUSE WAS JUST ABOUT TO FALL DOWN. 
          UH, SOME OF THOSE THAT DONE THAT CRAWL SPACE, THE ONLY WAY YOU GET THROUGH THE CRAWL SPACE IS THROUGH THE FLOOR. 
          UH, AND IT WAS IN SWAMP, YOU IMAGINE KIND OF A SWAMPY AREA. 
          UM, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY, IT WAS AMAZING, UH, THAT YOU, YOU COULD DO. 
          IN FACT, WE HAD TO BE CAREFUL WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE, SO WE DIDN'T FALL THROUGH THE FLOOR. 
          AND, UM, AND ONE OF THE OTHER, THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED AND REBUILT, IF I, IF I RECALL, ONE OF THE BEDS IN THAT HOUSE, ALL THEY HAD WAS THE SPRINGS. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, SPRING. 
          IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOTHING OVER THE SPRINGS. 
          IT WAS THE SPRINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WAS ON A FRAME. 
          UM, IT, IT JUST, IT IT'S, IT'S CRUSHING, YOU KNOW, TO THINK THAT PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY FACED AND HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CONDITIONS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND, UH, ABBOTT, YOU AND YOUR STAFF DID JUST AN INCREDIBLE JOB. 
          I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT SQUEEZING, SQUEEZING BLOOD FROM A TURNIP. 
          I MEAN, THIS, YOU GOT EVERY PENNY OF WORTH. 
          AND THE JOY, UH, OF THE FAMILIES THAT WERE RE, THAT WERE RECEIVING THE, UH, RECEIVING THIS, THIS GIFT, IF YOU WILL, UM, WAS, WAS TREMENDOUS. 
          NOW, ONE THING I WANNA ADD, THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION THAT I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE, THE DAYS OF JIM CROW AND, AND ALL THAT CRAP, OKAY? WAS THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVED A LOT OF THIS WERE A MINORITY, AND THE COUNTY'S LINES WERE DRAWN TO SEPARATE THE CITY OF POCOS FROM YOUR COUNTY, PRINCIPALLY BECAUSE OF RACIAL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRATION. 
          AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE THOSE LINES WERE DRAWN AND WHERE THESE HOUSES WERE. 
          AND I GUARANTEE YOU, THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS HOUSE HAD TO LIVE THROUGH SOME REALLY, REALLY TOUGH TIMES, UH, IN VIRGINIA, UM, AND THE, AND THEIR GENERATIONS AND THIS GENERATIONS AND FAMILIES. 
          AND, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS REPARATION, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT WAS US TAKING CARE OF VIRGINIANS AND, AND YOUR PEOPLE FROM YORK COUNTY, AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE STEPPED UP. 
          AND ABBOTT, YOUR CREW JUST DID JUST TREMENDOUS. 
          YOU HAD A GREAT LINE OF, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT GOT IN AND DID THE WORK, AND I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK YOU DID. 
          UM, AND 
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ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THE FUTURE IS THAT THE HOMES THAT YOU'RE REFURBING HERE, UM, IF WE TALK ABOUT HAVING PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN THEN CAN BUY A HOUSE LATER WHEN GENERATIONS PASSED ON, OR FAMILIES COME IN, THIS IS WHERE YOU BUY THESE HOUSES AND YOU WANNA SEE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COOKIE CUTTER TYPE HOUSE, ONE RIGHT AFTER THE OTHER IN A COMMUNITY THAT HISTORICALLY HAS, THEY KNOW EVERYBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY JUST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS, THE WAY IT DEVELOPED. 
          BUT PEOPLE CAN, OTHER FAMILIES, FAMILIES THAT ARE COMING IN WITH KIDS, FAMILIES THAT DON'T, THAT DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BUY A 600, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS HOME, OR WHAT IS THE AVERAGE NOW 450,000 IN YOUR COUNTY CAN, CAN'T AFFORD THESE HOUSES. 
          AND THIS IS, TO ME, A VERY TYPICAL WAY THAT IF WE COULD DO THIS A LOT MORE, WE WOULD BE PROVIDING HOUSING FOR, FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT COULD LIVE IN YOUR COUNTY. 
          SO I'M, I'M OBVIOUSLY PRETTY, PRETTY SPUN UP ON THIS, BUT I, I YOU ARE, I WANT TO JUST CONGRATULATE YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK YOU DID. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU, ADAM. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK CARVER GARDENS WAS A REALLY BIG DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WORKED ON INITIALLY, AND THAT SORT OF SET THE TONE FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, I BELIEVE. 
          AND YOU'VE, YES, MA'AM. 
          YOU'VE BEEN REALLY, UM, CHASING THE MONEY, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE YOUR, YOUR HEART IS IN WHAT YOU DO. 
          AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR WHAT YOU DO. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATED HAVING THE TOUR THE OTHER DAY WITH OUR SWIPE BOOK AND FRIENDS, SO THEY COULD SEE THAT WE DO TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF, OF THEIR INCOME OR THEIR AGE. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT ELSE YOU'RE GONNA DO. 
          SO THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR SUCCESS SO FAR. 
          I KNOW YOU, UH, SCRATCH AND CLAW AT EVERY GRANT THAT YOU CAN GET, AND, UM, THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO YOUR COUNTY CITIZENS THAT BENEFIT FROM THE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS WORK ON. 
          SO, THANK YOU, UH, FROM MYSELF AND THE BOARD. 
          WE CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE ALL THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'M IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO WITH THE GRANT FUNDING AND YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU SAID YOU HAD 882 SURVEYS WENT OUT, BUT YOU ONLY GOT ABOUT A 22% RETURN RATE, WHICH SEEMS LOW FOR A SURVEY THAT IS GONNA OFFER ASSISTANCE. 
          I WONDER IF MAYBE THE, THE WORDING ISN'T CLEAR, THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE BEING ASKED IN THE SURVEY. 
          MAYBE WE CAN CLARIFY THAT TO GET BETTER RESULTS NEXT TIME. 
          WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AND TWEAK THAT. 
          UM, SO OUR INTENT IS, IS TO SEND MORE SURVEYS BACK OUT. 
          WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE $75,000 TO WORK WITH. 
          UM, AND PART OF THAT IS PAYING FOR THE SURVEY, SENDING THE MAILING. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE DO HAVE IT ON THE, UM, ON THE WEB AS WELL. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY WE CAN DO TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT AND WE WANT TO GET THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN. 
          SO WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, BETTER TECHNOLOGY OR BETTER WORDING, WHATEVER WE CAN DO, UH, WE DO HOPE THAT WE CAN GET MORE, UM, THE MORE INFORMATION WE HAVE, THE MORE, UH, UH, SPECIFIC WE CAN BE AND, AND, AND MORE FOCUSED ON IN OUR APPROACH SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE MEETING ALL THE NEED THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          MAYBE OUR AI SKILLS CAN HELP, UH, WITH THAT IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, SECOND QUESTION. 
          I'M HOPEFUL, I'M HOPEFUL THAT LOCAL CONTRACTORS ARE ABLE TO BID ABSOLUTELY ON THIS WORK. 
          AND WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE WORK IN YORK COUNTY AS WELL AS TAKING CARE OF THE PEOPLE IN YORK COUNTY AS WELL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT WE, WE DO GREAT CONTRACTORS. 
          REALLY, REALLY GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WELL, BUT I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN SAID, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS REHABILITATION PROJECT, UH, OBVIOUSLY BENEFITING DISTRICT ONE THIS PARTICULAR TIME, UH, AS MS. NOLL SAID, CARVER GARDENS CAME BEFORE BARLOW ROAD, I BELIEVE WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          PENMAN ROAD WAS ONE. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISTRICTS IN THE FIRST IN DISTRICT ONE, SEVERAL STREETS IN DISTRICT ONE THAT HAVE REALLY NEEDED THIS KIND OF REHABILITATION. 
          AND I'M, I'M THRILLED THAT THE COUNTY'S ABLE TO DO IT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BEYOND JUST THE HOUSING REHABILITATION. 
          YOU'RE DOING THE SIMILAR WORK ON SEWER LINES AND, UH, AND TIE-INS TO SEWER, ET CETERA. 
          SO, MY THANKS TO COMMUNITY SERVICES AND, AND THE, AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND SERVING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'M GONNA CALL ON MARK BELLAMY NOTE CALL TO, UH, DISCUSS THE LOCAL SALES TAX OPTION FOR SCHOOL CAPITAL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HURO. 
          I HOPE TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY OF THIS TONIGHT, ALONG WITH THE AUDIENCE. 
          SO WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WILL BE, UH, WHAT WAS RECENTLY ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AUTHORIZING LOCALITIES TO SEEK VOTER APPROVAL ON AN ADDITIONAL LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED SOLELY TO SCHOOL CAPITAL 
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NEEDS. 
          OKAY. 
          GRAB MY CLICKER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS WAS RECENTLY PASSED AS PART OF THE STATE BUDGET. 
          THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AUTHORIZED VIRGINIA COUNTIES AND CITIES TO SEEK VOTER APPROVAL FOR ADDITIONAL LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX, UP TO 1% DEDICATED TO SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          UH, THIS IS A NEW AUTHORITY FOR STATEWIDE, PREVIOUSLY ABOUT A HANDFUL OF LOCALITIES UNDER SPECIAL LEGISLATION HAD HAD THIS ABILITY TO, UH, LEVY THIS SALES TAX, BUT BLANKET WIDE FOR THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, NOT UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WAS IT AVAILABLE TO ALL LOCALITIES. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. 
          SO THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT KIND OF GOT US HERE. 
          WHEN MR. HUSLER WAS HERE, I, I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT HE MIGHT MENTION THIS, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE VACO LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THAT, UH, VACO HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW TO TRY TO GET THIS AS A TOOL FOR LOCALITIES TO WORK ON SCHOOL NEEDS. 
          STATEWIDE. 
          THERE'S BEEN A STUDY TALKING ABOUT STATE FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS. 
          UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT MIGHT GIVE YOU ANOTHER NUMBER, BUT BASED ON WHAT I READ IT, IT APPEARS THAT STATEWIDE WE'RE MORE THAN $25 BILLION BEHIND IN SCHOOL CAPITAL FOR, FOR NEW SCHOOLS. 
          SO THIS IS A BIG ISSUE FOR LOCALITIES. 
          SO THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, AND THIS IS THE RESULT. 
          SO VACO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS. 
          IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO A VACO CONFERENCE AND SAT IN ON, UH, THE SCHOOL FUNDING, UM, SESSIONS, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IS THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS, HOW MUCH MONEY THAT THEY COULD BRING TO BEAR ON THIS, AND HOW THE LOCALITIES MIGHT RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM ON THEIR OWN. 
          IT'S PART OF A J ARC STUDY MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, IT'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IT THROUGH VACO. 
          SO THE LEGISLATION DOES HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS, AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WITH YOU HERE IN JUST A SECOND. 
          AS I SAID, THIS PRESENTATION IS VERY SHORT, SEVEN SLIDES. 
          WE'LL BE RIGHT THROUGH IT. 
          SO, BUT THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT THAT YOU WILL SEE IN YOUR CONSENT CALENDAR LATER, JUST REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION SO THAT THE CIRCUIT COURT CAN GET THE ISSUE ON THE BALLOT AND THE VOTERS CAN DECIDE. 
          AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE ASKING FOR FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT IS TO CERTIFY THIS RESOLUTION SO THEY CAN GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND THEY CAN HAVE IT PLACED ON THE BALLOT. 
          THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHETHER THIS STAYS OR GOES. 
          SO WHY SHOULD WE CONSIDER THIS? SO SCHOOL FACILITIES ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST LONG-TERM CAPITAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS A COUNTY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CURRENT SIX YEAR PLAN, WE HAVE $117 MILLION IN SCHOOL PROJECTS. 
          OF THAT $117 MILLION, $100 MILLION WILL BE FINANCED WITH DEBT. 
          THAT'S HOW WE WILL PAY FOR IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY DO OUR CIP IN DECEMBER. 
          I'LL PRESENT THAT THIS COMING DECEMBER. 
          WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT AS WE SPEAK. 
          AT YOUR NEXT, AT YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, SCHOOL BOARD IS COMING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THEIR CIP AND WHAT THEY SEE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO THIS IS VERY TIMELY THAT THIS WILL ALL COME TO PASS JUST LIKE THIS. 
          ALONG WITH THAT, ARE THEY, SO WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER A 15 YEAR CIP. 
          ARE THEY CONSIDERING A 15 YEAR C? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL REVENUE SCHOOL PROJECTS AND THEIR DEBT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE GENERAL FUND. 
          AND AS YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL FUND IS ABOUT 60% OF THAT REVENUE COMES FROM REAL ESTATE TAXES IF APPROVED, IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THE LOCAL SALES TAX OPTION WOULD PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING MECHANISM TO SUPPORT SCHOOL INVESTMENTS AND SCHOOL FACILITIES THAT WOULD NOT COME FROM PROPERTY TAXES. 
          THIS LAW DOES INCLUDE AN EXEMPTION FOR THINGS LIKE GROCERIES, PERSONAL HYGIENE ITEMS. SO THEY WOULD NOT BE TAXED LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE ESTIMATE THIS MEANS APPROXIMATELY $12 MILLION ANNUALLY IN REVENUE. 
          THAT'D BE THE EQUIVALENT OF ADDING 9 CENTS TO THE REAL ESTATE RATE. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME SCOPE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THESE TAXES, THEY WOULD BE PAID ON SALES WITHIN THE COUNTY BY BOTH RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS. 
          WITH 25 TO 30% OF SALES IN YORK RELATED TO TOURISM ACTIVITIES, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET OUR VISITORS 
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ALSO SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS. 
          OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE INVESTED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME DISCUSSING THE COUNTY'S LONG-TERM CAPITAL NEEDS, AND NOT JUST OVER SIX YEARS, BUT AS MR. SHEPHERD NOTED, OVER 15 SCHOOL PROJECTS REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 41% OF THE GENERAL FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN THAT MAKES SCHOOL CAPITAL ONE OF THE LARGEST COMPONENTS OF RCIP. 
          WHILE THIS FUNDING SOURCE IS TO SCHOOL, CAPITAL PROJECTS IS BROADER IMPLICATIONS TO THE COUNTY'S OVERALL LONG-TERM CAPITAL PLANNING. 
          HAVING A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR ONE OF THE LARGEST CATEGORIES OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT WOULD ADD CAPACITY TO THE COUNTY'S OVERALL CAPITAL FUNDING STRATEGY, PROVIDING BETTER FLEXIBILITY AS THE BOARD CONSIDERS HOW TO FUND OTHER LONG TERM PRIORITIES, SUCH AS POSSIBLY A COURTHOUSE, COURTHOUSE, WHICH NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE ON YET. 
          HAVING A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR ONE OF OUR LARGEST CATEGORIES OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT WOULD BE, EXCUSE ME, I'VE LOST MY PLACE. 
          SO IF THIS WAS APPROVED, THIS LEGISLATION WOULD GIVE YORK COUNTY ANOTHER FUNDING OPTION TO USE. 
          UH, BUT BEFORE DISCUSSING THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW IMPORTANT LIMITATIONS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED BY LAW. 
          THIS MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, MAJOR RENOVATION OR RELATED BOND AND LOAN FINANCING COST FOR THE NEW WORK. 
          WE CANNOT USE IT FOR WORK THAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN DONE. 
          YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR SCHOOL OPERATING EXPENSES. 
          WE CAN'T USE IT FOR GENERAL COUNTY OBLIGATIONS EITHER. 
          IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR EDUCATION, RIGHT? SO THE NEXT STEPS, ULTIMATELY, THE YORK COUNTY VOTERS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY WILL DECIDE THIS, ASSUMING THAT YOU APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT. 
          THIS IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING OPTION FOR SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND THE ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT, IF APPROVED, REQUEST THAT YORK PCOS AND CIRCUIT COURT ORDER A REFERENDUM. 
          SO THE QUESTION CAN BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT IN THE NOVEMBER 3RD GENERAL ELECTION. 
          IF THE RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED, THE COUNTY AND SCHOOL DIVISION WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION TO HELP EDUCATE THE VOTERS ABOUT THE REFERENDUM, INCLUDING HOW THE REVENUE CAN BE USED. 
          JUST AS WE JUST MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE ESTIMATED REVENUE GENERATED WOULD ALSO BE SHARED AND THE SCHOOL CAPITAL NEEDS, AND ITS, AND WHAT THEY INTEND TO ADDRESS WITH THOSE NEEDS. 
          ONLY IF THE REFERENDUM IS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, WOULD THE BOARD THEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENACT THEIR TAX. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          MRS. UM, I, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND I, I WANT THE CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD, BY, BY APPROVING THIS REFERENDUM, IS NOT TAKING SIDES. 
          WE WILL NOT DEC DECIDE FOR OR AGAINST THIS REFERENDUM, YOU'LL DECIDE FOR OR AGAINST THIS REFERENDUM. 
          BUT LOOKING TO THE FUTURE AND LOOKING TO THE NEEDS OF THE SCHOOLS, THIS HAS FINALLY OPENED THE DOOR FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FURTHER TO, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE REPAIR AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE SCHOOLS NEED AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED. 
          YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE, ARE VERY OLD. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA START TALKING ABOUT AGE, BUT NONETHELESS, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT YOUR CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL, AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE HOW YOU WISH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR EDUCATION IS CONTINUED THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, AND IN THE TYPE OF, UH, OF BUILDINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE IN. 
          SO, AS I SAID, THE BOARD IS NOT GONNA TAKE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU IF WE PERFUSE THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CHECK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THE, UH, IN NOVEMBER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M GONNA SAY. 
          WELL, THIS IS, UH, IT'S INTERESTING. 
          I THINK THIS IS, UM, IN MY 25 YEARS, THIS IS THE FIRST REFERENDUM, THIS PROPOSAL. 
          I THINK THE LAST ONE I CAN REMEMBER WAS ON THE SHERIFF AND POLICE. 
          IT WAS, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WAS OVER 25 YEARS AGO. 
          THAT WAS IN 96. 
          SINCE THEY, SO THAT'S WOULD BE INTERESTING. 
          UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS PRIDED MYSELF IN THE FACT 
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THAT I CAN MAKE A HARD DECISION IF I HAVE TO MAKE A HARD DECISION ON FUNDING AND WHATEVER, AND TAXES. 
          AND, UM, AND WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          BUT THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US BY THE STATE BECAUSE OF THE DYLAN RULE. 
          AND DYLAN RULE MEANS BASICALLY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS THE STATE GIVES US PERMISSION TO DO IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE. 
          UM, OFTEN IN THE YEARS, EVEN EVEN THIS YEAR. 
          BUT OVER THE YEARS, I, I OFTEN ASK PEOPLE, WHY DID YOU COME TO YOUR COUNTY? AND INVARIABLY THE ANSWER ALWAYS COMES OUT, SCHOOLS, I COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOLS, FROM THE SCHOOLS, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE PUT A LOT OF MONEY, UM, NOT AS MUCH AS SOME COMMUNITIES, BUT WE'VE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO, UH, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          AND, UM, AND WE NEED TO PUT A LOT MORE MONEY INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CIP BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'VE SEEN THE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'VE PUT IN ALREADY INTO THE SCHOOLS. 
          UM, WE'RE, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE ONLY SECOND LARGEST, UH, CONTRIBUTOR. 
          UH, STATE PROVIDES THE MOST. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE BUILDINGS FOR PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOLS, UH, THE LATEST ONE IS IT'S, UH, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 
          SO THEN IF YOU LOOK OUT INTO THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE FIRE STATIONS, AT LEAST THREE NEW FIRE STATIONS. 
          UH, AND WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH AN, UH, POSSIBLY A, A REALLY BIG ONE WITH THE COURTHOUSE AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME SCHOOLS. 
          WE STILL GOTTA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HELP BUILD. 
          SO WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, WE'VE GOT, THIS IS GONNA BE A TOUGH, NEXT COUPLE YEARS IS GONNA BE KIND OF TOUGH ON US. 
          SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOLS, THEY COME HERE AND THEY SAY, OKAY, UM, WELL, WE GO, I WANT OUR KIDS IN, IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM HERE, DON'T WANT 'EM IN OTHER, OTHER AREAS. 
          SO THEY COME HERE FOR THE SCHOOLS, FROM THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE PLACED ON SCHOOLS, YOUR COUNTY HAS BECOME ONE OF THE SAFEST COMMUNITIES IN VIRGINIA. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, KIND OF THE WHY PEOPLE COME HERE. 
          THEY, THEY TAKE CARE OF NOT ONLY THEIR CHILDREN, BUT THEY ALSO, THEY DEMAND THAT WE HAVE GREAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CRIME RATES LOW. 
          OUR TAXES HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AREA FOR A FULL SERVICE GOVERNMENT. 
          SO WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE A, A, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE OVER THE DECADES TO, TO KEEP THIS GOING. 
          AND AT TIMES WE'VE HAD TO SUFFER. 
          WE'VE, OUR, OUR STAFF HAS SUFFERED, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY NOW FOR THE CITIZENS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO HERE. 
          NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I TALKED ABOUT THE TAXES COMING, NOT TAXES. 
          I TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE ROAD AND THIS, AND, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS REFERENDUM. 
          ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS STUFF ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA PAY FOR, IT'S GONNA BE US. 
          AND THE, THE PROBLEM WE FACE IS, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST TIMES THAT PEOPLE CAN BE FACED WITH A IDEA OF RAISING TAXES ON THEMSELVES. 
          WE GASOLINE NOW IS $4 A GALLON. 
          FOOD COSTS ARE UP. 
          UH, THE HOUSING COSTS HAVE GONE INSANE. 
          UH, THE, IT, YOU NAME IT, IT'S GONE UP. 
          NOTHING'S BACKING DOWN. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR CALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S GONNA LITERALLY BE YOUR CALL. 
          SO I'VE JUST LAID OUT THE, THE, THE KIND OF THE LANDSCAPE HERE THAT COULD BE, WE CAN FIGHT OVER THE EDGES AND AROUND THE PERIPHERY, BUT IN THE END, WE'RE GOING TO, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS STUFF, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR COUNTY AT THE, AT THE, AT THE LEVEL THAT OUR CITIZENS, IF THEY ASKED TO, FOR IT TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          THEY'RE USED TO. 
          SO I AGREE WITH SHEILA. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE YOUR CALL. 
          MR. I'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL WE GET INTO THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS TO DISCUSS, AND I'M GONNA ASK THAT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM GET PULLED AND DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON SEPARATELY. 
          I DON'T THINK TAX AND DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE LUMPED IN WITH CONSENT CALENDAR OVERALL UP AND DOWN APPROVAL. 
          SO I'LL HOLD OFF TILL WE GET INTO IT. 
          WELL, UM, FOR ME, I, I AGREE WITH TOM AT SOME POINT, THE MONEY'S GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP OUR SCHOOLS UP TO DATE, UM, AND MAINTAINED. 
          BUT I LOVE THE FACT THAT THE VOTERS GET THE VOTE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT TELLS US WHERE, WHERE YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR MONEY, AND IF IT'S ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS, YOU VOTE YES. 
          AND IF IT'S NOT, YOU VOTE NO. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          I, I'M ALL ABOUT THE PUBLIC HAVING THEIR VOTE. 
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I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEW. 
          UM, I PREFER TO SEE A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER THIS MONEY COMES FROM THE CITIZENS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL OR COMES FROM THE STATE. 
          OH, YES. 
          BECAUSE THIS FEELS LIKE AN UNFUNDED MANDATE. 
          IT IS. 
          ONE, THIS FEELS LIKE LESS AND LESS MONEY COMING FROM THE STATE TO SUPPORT OUR SCHOOL GROWTH AND CONSTRUCTION, AND MORE AND MORE OF IT COMING FROM THE COUNTIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOW, I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THE CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A REFERENDUM. 
          UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A VOICE. 
          UH, SO I THINK, I THINK THE REFERENDUM IS AN EASY CALL, BUT I, UM, FOR 1:00 AM DISAPPOINTED. 
          I, I SEE MANY NEW TAXES BEING INTRODUCED THIS YEAR, AND THIS JUST FEELS LIKE ANOTHER ONE. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER WELL WITH THE CITIZENS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH GIVING THEM THAT VOICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE NEXT THING IS 
          [F. Citizens' Comment Period]
I'LL MOVE INTO, UM, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. 
          AS I USUALLY DO, I WILL PREFACE THAT WITH SOME GUIDELINES. 
          SO, GOOD EVENING. 
          BEFORE WE, UH, BEGIN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY REVIEW OUR RULES AND EXPECTATIONS FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPANTS. 
          CITIZEN INPUT IS WELCOME. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON ANY MATTER WITHIN ITS PURVIEW. 
          PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          YOUR THREE MINUTES WILL BEGIN. 
          AFTER YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS OR REMARKS TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE THROUGH THE CHAIR. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION OR DEBATE. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE DIRECT IT TO THE CHAIR. 
          I MAY, AT MY DISCRETION ASK THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO FOLLOW UP OUTSIDE THE BOARD MEETING. 
          PLEASE AVOID REPETITIVE COMMENTS. 
          IF YOU AGREE WITH THE PRIOR SPEAKER, YOU MAY SIMPLY STATE YOUR NAME AND POSITION OF WHICH YOU AGREE. 
          AND FINALLY, WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE HELPING TO KEEP A RESPECTFUL AND ORDERLY MEETING. 
          PLEASE FOCUS YOUR COMMENTS ON THE ISSUES, SPEAK WITH COURTESY, AND ALLOW OTHERS THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE HEARD, BE RESPECTFUL, MAINTAIN DECORUM. 
          WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD, AND I WILL CALL ON MR. JIM GREEN, FIRST SPEAKER TO, UM, TO COME TO THE PODIUM. 
          STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          MY NAME'S JIM GREEN. 
          I LIVE AT 1 0 8 COSMO, TURN UP IN WILLIAMSBURG. 
          UM, I'M HERE THIS EVENING BECAUSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVE AT WALLER MILL HEIGHTS, ALSO KNOWN AS, UH, WELL, THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS POWELL PLANTATION. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME ISSUES THERE AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE GOES. 
          I'VE SENT SOME EMAILS TO, UH, THE, TO THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO UP THERE. 
          BUT THIS HAS BEEN SORT OF A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON WITH THE DEVELOPER OF THE COMMUNITY FOR THE PAST AT LEAST 10 MONTHS, THINGS ARE NOT GETTING DONE IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          THAT SHOULD BE DONE. 
          STANDARD PRACTICES AS FAR AS DEVELOPERS AND STANDARD ENGINEERING PRACTICES ARE BEING OVERLOOKED. 
          I COME HERE THIS EVENING TO ASK THE BOARD TO USE YOUR POWER AS FAR AS THE COUNTY GOES, AND AS FAR AS OVERSIGHT GOES, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE DEVELOPER TO DO THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SAFE INFRASTRUCTURE, A WALL OR MILL. 
          THE TWO THINGS THAT I'M GONNA POINT OUT AS FAR AS THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE, IT'S WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          THE FIRST THING THAT WE'VE GOT IS THE DEVELOPER IS NOT MAINTAINING THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PONDS THAT WE'VE GOT UP THERE, CREATING MAJOR NUISANCES AS FAR AS, UH, BUGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT GOES. 
          I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY SENT THE MOSQUITO PEOPLE UP THERE. 
          SO THE MOSQUITOES ARE GOOD. 
          AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE WITH THE MOSQUITO CONTROL, UH, BOARD ARE ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. 
          MY PROBLEM IS, THOUGH, IS WE'VE GOT THESE THINGS CALLED BITING MIDGES UP THERE, WHAT YOU GUYS MIGHT REFER TO AS NO SEAMS. THEY'RE TERRIBLE. 
          IF YOU WALK OUTSIDE IN WALLER MILL HEIGHTS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WENT UP THERE AND YOU GO OUT IN MY BACKYARD AND YOU STAND OUT THERE FOR FIVE MINUTES, YOU'LL GET BITTEN BY AT LEAST 25 OF 'EM. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. 
          THAT'S A NUISANCE THAT DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE TAKING CARE OF, THAT WE NEED YOUR HELP TO GET THEM MOVING. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT IS THE ACTUAL PONDS ARE CONSTRUCTED INCORRECTLY. 
          WE NEED THE ENGINEER 
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AS FAR AS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND CERTIFY THAT EVERYTHING IS CORRECT BEFORE THIS THING'S DONE, OR ELSE THE HOA IS GONNA GET TURNED OVER A LIABILITY THAT COULD HURT 'EM IN THE LONG RUN. 
          A LOT. 
          THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE UP THERE, THE DEVELOPER LAST FRIDAY AT A MEETING THAT I WAS AT, SAID THAT THE COUNTY IS HOLDING UP STREETLIGHTS FROM BEING PUT UP IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE STREETLIGHTS EITHER. 
          I'M AWARE OF 30 SECONDS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE STREETLIGHTS EITHER. 
          AND OUR ROADS, THEY'RE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE. 
          THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REPAVED. 
          BUT THERE'S A QUESTION AS FAR AS TESTING, AS FAR AS THE GROUND DENSITY GOES WITH THOSE ROADS AS WELL. 
          THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING FOLKS IS FOR YOUR HELP TO DO THE OVERSIGHT, DO WHAT STATUTE SAYS, DO WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAY AS FAR AS THE COUNTY GOES, AND GET THE DEVELOPER TO DO HIS JOB. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GREEN. 
          I'LL CALL ON, UH, . 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS PAM POCHE. 
          I RESIDE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT, TRUMP SAID OF ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE. 
          WE HAVE A MAN WHO'S DOING A GREAT JOB BECAUSE HE KEPT ME OUTTA JAIL FOR YEARS, NOT BECAUSE OF HIS INNOCENCE, BUT BECAUSE BLANCHE KEPT TRUMP'S CHARGES OF CORRUPTION TIED UP IN COURTS FOR YEARS UNTIL HE REGAINED THE PRESIDENCY AND ORDERED ALL CHARGES DROPPED. 
          TRUMP SAID IF HIS SAVE ACT IS PASSED BY CONGRESS, IT WOULD GUARANTEE REPUBLICANS STAYING IN POWER FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          THIS IS A STATEMENT FOR HOW TO RIG ELECTIONS, NOT HOW THE ELECTORATE TO LET THE ELECTORATE DECIDE. 
          TRUMP IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS THAT HE HAS EITHER CLOSED OR GUTTED THE VERY GOVERNMENT OFFICES THAT ENSURE THE INTEGRITY OF ELECTIONS. 
          HE IS FIRE INSPECTORS GENERAL, AND THOSE WHO ENFORCE ETHICS AND GUTTED THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE SAFE ACT. 
          DISENFRANCHISES VOTERS, UNBRIDLED CORRUPTION IS HIS GOAL. 
          JD VANCE SAID, COURTS CANNOT SUPERSEDE TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS. 
          WHEN TRUMP WON IN 2016, OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT IN 2024, BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT IN 2020, TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT. 
          SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION THAT CAUSED TRUMP'S CLAIMS OF A RIGGED ELECTION. 
          HIS OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL AND INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TOLD HIM HE LOST DURING THE MOST SECURE ELECTION IN HISTORY. 
          THEY TOLD HIM CHINA DID NOT INFLUENCE THE ELECTION. 
          RUSSIA IN SUPPORT OF TRUMP DID TRY WITHOUT SUCCESS. 
          TRUMP STILL LOVES PUTIN. 
          IF THEY ARE SO AGAINST FOREIGN INTERFERENCE, WHY ADVANCE GO TO HUNGARY TO CAMPAIGN FOR AUTOCRAT? VICTOR ORBAN, VIRGINIA USES PAPER BALLOTS. 
          THE MACHINE READERS ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, SO THERE CAN BE NO TAMPERING WITH THE RESULTS. 
          THE CONSTITUTION STATES, THE TIMES, PLACES AND MANNERS OF HOLDING ELECTIONS FOR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES SHALL BE PRESCRIBED IN EACH STATE BY THE LEGISLATURE THEREOF. 
          INTERFERENCE IN AN ELECTION IS A FELONY. 
          TRUMP HAS NO AUTHORITY TO THREATEN STATES TO OVERTURN, ROLLS, VOTER ROLLS WITH IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OR ALLOW HIM TO SCRUB VOTERS AS HE SEES FIT. 
          TRUMP WANTS TO SEND ICE TO POLLING PLACES TO INTIMIDATE AND SCARE AWAY VOTERS. 
          HE WANTS TO DETERMINE WHO MAY VOTE BY MAIL, BY INSTRUCTING THE POSTAL SERVICE NOT TO DELIVER CERTAIN BALLOTS, UH, NOR RETURN THEM TO THE REGISTRAR. 
          TRUMP AND VANCE WANT TO RESCIND TWO AMENDMENTS THAT GIVE WOMEN AND AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN THE RIGHT TO VOTE. 
          THE 2020 ELECTION WAS NOT RIGGED, BUT TRUMP DID ATTEMPT TO DO SO. 
          THE NARCISSIST IN CHIEF CANNOT ADMIT HE LOST TRUMP, CALLED JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTIONISTS TO ACTION. 
          HE WANTED GEORGIA TO REAPPORTION 11,780 VOTES IN HIS FAVOR. 
          HE TRIED TO INSERT 87 STATE ELECT, FAKE STATE ELECTORS, AND 62 FAILED COURT CASES AND ORDERED NUMEROUS RECOUNTS THAT PROVED NO FRAUD. 
          HE HAS SAID THAT IF HE LOSES CONTROL OF CONGRESS, HE WILL BE IMPEACHED FOR THE THIRD TIME. 
          TRUMP WILL DO EVERYTHING IMAGINABLE TO RIG THE UPCOMING ELECTIONS. 
          TO PREVENT THAT WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD IS A PROVEN MYTH. 
          IF YOU BELIEVE IN SAVING OUR DEMOCRACY FROM A CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION, YOU WILL VOTE ACCORDINGLY. 
          I VOTED FOR JASON KNAPP IN THE PRIMARY. 
          STAYING HOME IS NOT AN OPTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. POHO. 
          I HAVE ONE OTHER SIGNED UP, BUT I'M FIRST GOING TO SAY, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS NOT SIGNED UP, WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          I'LL CALL ON, UH, YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION SUPERINTENDENT, DR. 
          JIM CARROLL. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MR. HORO. 
          UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY? UH, I AM JIM CARROLL, DIVISION SUPERINTENDENT OF THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          BEFORE I SHARE MY PREPARED REMARKS, I WANT TO ENDORSE, UH, MR. HURO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, 
          [00:55:01]
UH, THAT WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE STATE HAS NOT FULLY FUNDED BOTH OUR CA CAPITAL OR OUR OPERATING EXPENSE, AND THAT, THAT PUTS US HERE TONIGHT. 
          BUT I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO ADD MY SUPPORT TO THE RES, THE PASSING OF RESOLUTION R 2,618 THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER LATER. 
          AS FAR BACK AS I'VE BEEN WITH THE SCHOOL DIVISION, WE'VE NEVER ADVOCATED FOR HOW THE COUNTY FUNDS ITS RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          WE'VE JUST MADE EVERY EFFORT TO ACCURATELY DESCRIBE WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND FOR BOTH OPERATING AND CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. 
          SO TONIGHT I'M GONNA CONTINUE SHARING INFORMATION THAT WE SHARE. 
          THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE 18 SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND A FEW OPERATIONAL BUILDINGS. 
          IN ADDITION, THE AVERAGE AGE OF OUR BUILDINGS NOW IS 55 YEARS OLD. 
          THE YOUNGEST OF THESE IS THE GRAFTON COMPLEX AT 30 YEARS THIS YEAR. 
          AND OUR OPERATIONS BUILDINGS WOULD PUSH THAT 55 YEAR AVERAGE HIGHER. 
          AS WE ANNUALLY REVIEW OUR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE FOR THESE BUILDINGS, WE ALWAYS EVALUATE NEEDED CHANGES IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FIXING OR MAINTAINING SYSTEMS AT END OF LIFE. 
          AND FINALLY, TO FACILITATE INNOVATION. 
          NOW, I'D ADD HERE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS STRIVING TO BUILD VALUE INTO OUR BUILDINGS. 
          WE ARE NEVER HERE LOOKING TO WIN ARCHITECTS AWARDS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTAINING OUR MAJOR SYSTEMS, IT'S REALLY NOT UNLIKE ANY, YOUR COUNTY HOMEOWNER, MR. ROHN, YOUR, YOUR HVAC SYSTEM'S GONNA LAST YOU 15 TO 20 YEARS. 
          MR. ROY, YOUR, UH, YOUR WATER HEATER'S GONNA LAST YOU EIGHT TO 12 YEARS. 
          MR. SHEPHERD, YOUR, UH, ROOF IS GONNA LAST YOU 15 TO 30 YEARS. 
          AND THE SAME GOES FOR US. 
          UH, BUT OUR SYSTEMS HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LIFESPANS. 
          AND GIVEN THE SIZE AND COMPLEXITY, THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY COSTLY OLEY. 
          SO WE'VE LONG HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD USE CERTAIN TOOLS AT OUR DISPOSAL BEFORE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS. 
          AND WE'VE ENGAGED IN THAT WORK FOR MANY YEARS NOW, ADDING ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM WINGS, USING TEMPORARY BUILDINGS AND REDISTRICTING WHEN NEEDED FOR SCHOOL ZONES. 
          AND THIS HAS WORKED SO FAR. 
          HOWEVER, WE MAY BE PUSHING OUR LUCK. 
          ALSO, WE NOW HAVE THREE SCHOOL BUILDINGS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED IN 1954, MAKING THEM 72 YEARS OLD. 
          IT IS GENERALLY ACCEPTED THAT THE LIFESPAN OF A SCHOOL BUILDING IS ROUGHLY 75 YEARS. 
          SO WE ARE APPROACHING LIFESPAN OF SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS. 
          AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE LAST PHASE OF A FACILITY STUDY BEING COMPLETED BY AN OUTSIDE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM. 
          WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE REPORT, BUT WE ARE GENERALLY AWARE OF THE COMING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEY ARE THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF OUR OLDEST SCHOOLS. 
          AND THESE ARE BECAUSE, AND I'VE RUN OUTTA TIME, MY APOLOGIES. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD JUST ASK THE, UH, CHAIR THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS IN FAVOR OF THE VOTERS HAVING A SAY IN THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT CLOSES CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD. 
          [G. County Attorney Reports and Requests]
I WILL NOW TURN TO OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          ANYTHING TO REPORT, SIR? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UH, THE, THE TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A MEETING SINCE THE BUDGET AND THE AMENDMENTS WERE FINALIZED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THE TWO BIG, UH, THINGS TO COME OUT OF THE SPECIAL SESSION AND THE APPROVAL BY THE GOV. 
          THE FINAL, THE AMENDMENTS OF THE GOVERNOR WERE OBVIOUSLY THE RETAIL MARIJUANA, UH, SALES MARKETPLACE GOING INTO EFFECT ESSENTIALLY IMMEDIATELY WITH SOME DELAYED ENACTMENT OF THE LICENSING PROVISIONS AND THE PROVISION FOR GRANTING LICENSES. 
          IT'S STILL SCHEDULED, ESSENTIALLY GOING INTO EFFECT IN A YEAR. 
          BUT THE, A LOT OF THE AUTHORIZING LANGUAGE GOES INTO EFFECT NOW THAT AS WE'VE, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT PROVISION DOES PUT CONSTRAINTS ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO, UH, LEGISLATE AND REGULATE IN THIS SPACE. 
          AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME MODEL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, ATTORNEY COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPLEMENT AND CONTINUE TO PRESERVE OUR ZONING POWER AND OTHER THINGS OVER THIS. 
          SO I THINK THE, THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME FOR THE BOARD IN THE UPCOMING MONTHS, UM, IN DISCUSSION ON THIS. 
          AND WE, THERE ARE SOME STEPS WE NEED TO TAKE. 
          THERE'S A MANDATORY LOCAL TAX ON THE SALE OF RETAIL MARIJUANA PRODUCTS THAT LOCALITIES ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO IMPOSE. 
          UH, THIS IS  A MANDATORY TAX. 
          AND, 
          [01:00:01]
UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE FROM THE, UH, RECENT LEGISLATION, THERE WAS LEGISLATION THAT AFFECTS LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THE, THE COMMONWEALTH AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVOLVING THE WEARING OF FACIAL COVERINGS. 
          I THINK PEOPLE MAY HAVE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, UM, THAT LET THAT PARTICULAR PROVISION WAS ENJOINED BY A FEDERAL JUDGE BEFORE IT TOOK EFFECT. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF IN A STATUS OF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'LL END UP BEING. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON, ON THAT. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE REFERENDUM THAT MR. BELLAMY DISCUSSED, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT WAS ALSO APPROVED AND IN THE FINAL BUDGET, LANGUAGE AND AMENDMENT, I GUESS, UH, I'LL JUST ASK YOUR COMMENTS. 
          MS. MS. KRISTEN REED AND, UH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY SPOKE LAST WEEK AT A SESSION AT LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB AND TALKED ABOUT CURRENT, UH, LAWS REGARDING SIZE OF MAGAZINES, ET CETERA. 
          THAT IS ALSO ALL ON HOLD. 
          I UNDERSTAND AT THE MOMENT. 
          UH, THERE HAS, THERE WAS A STATEWIDE INJUNCTION THAT WAS ISSUED BY, UM, A JUDGE, TWO DIFFERENT JUDGES. 
          UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS ESSENTIALLY INDICATED THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE THOSE CASES DECIDED ON THE MERITS UNTIL THE US SUPREME COURT WEIGHS IN ON THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND THEY ARE IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT PROBABLY FOR ARGUMENT THIS FALL. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PROVISIONS, THE, UH, ASSAULT WEAPON PROVISION AND THE MAGAZINE PROVISION WERE ENJOINED AND ARE NOT IN EFFECT. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER PROVISION THAT WAS PASSED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN FIREARMS THAT WAS DELAYED FOR A YEAR IN THE BUDGET, UH, BILL. 
          SO THAT IS ALSO ON HOLD. 
          SO THAT'S THE STATUS OF, OF THOSE PARTICULAR PIECES OF LEGISLATION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY? NOPE. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          YES. 
          CALL ON OUR 
          [H. County Administrator Reports and Requests]
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. BELLAMY. 
          ANY COMMENTS? JUST ONE COMMENT, SIR. 
          UH, SOME MONTHS AGO, THE BOARD TALKED ABOUT HIRING A BUSINESS ADVOCATE AND AS PART OF THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, THAT WAS, UH, AGREED TO, AND WE HAVE MR. BO CLAYTON HERE. 
          I'D ASK BO TO STAND UP. 
          HE IS OUR NEW BUSINESS ADVOCATE. 
          WOO. 
          HE IS. 
          COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE SO WE CAN HAVE A PICTURE OF YOU ON THE CAMERA. 
          . 
          HE IS, UH, STARTED HIS SECOND WEEK, SO HE CAME BACK AFTER THE FIRST DAY. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM HERE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I PUSHING HIM, HIM HARD ENOUGH AND WE'D LIKE TO TELL HIM WELCOME. 
          YOU WELCOME. 
          AND WE ARE, UH, AS I SAID, VERY EXCITED THAT HE'S HERE WITH US. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IT'S, UH, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO REALLY DOING SOME GREAT THINGS HERE ALONG WITH THE TREMENDOUS STAFF THAT I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN TO MEET ALREADY. 
          THANK YOU BO. 
          AND I'VE ALREADY HAD THREE, UH, EMAILS TO ME ASKING HAS THE NEW POSITION CREATED YET? SO YOU'VE GOT WORK COMING YOUR WAY. 
          I, ALRIGHT, WE'RE READY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME ABOARD. 
          AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          QUESTIONS I'LL 
          [I. Matters Presented by the Board]
MOVE ON TO, UH, MATTERS BEFORE THE BOARD. 
          MRS. NOEL, CAN YOU LEAD OFF? UM, UH, YES. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AN UNUSUAL SUMMER. 
          IT'S, THE TEMPERATURE HAS BEEN ESCALATING MORE THAN I EVER REMEMBER, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TELL ME IT'S BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          WELL, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          IT'S JUST HOT WEATHER. 
          UH, RECENTLY WE HAD OUR ZY BROOK AND DELEGATION VISIT US HERE. 
          THEY CAME ON THE FIRST AND THEY LEFT ON THE EIGHTH. 
          AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY WERE THOROUGHLY ENGAGED WITH ALL THE STAFF THAT THEY COULD BE. 
          THEY APPRECIATED SO MUCH THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT WENT INTO EXPLAINING THEIR JOBS SO THEY COULD GO BACK HOME AND IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY LEARNED. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO THANK SHERRY NEWCOMB AND HER, HER, I WANNA SAY HER GANG OF HOWEVER MANY WHO DROVE THEM AROUND, TOOK CARE OF ALL THE, ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND WERE DEEPLY APPRECIATED BY OUR GERMAN FRIENDS AND US AS WELL. 
          IT WAS AN ACCELERATING TIME. 
          AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER COME FOR THE 4TH OF JULY. 
          AND THEY WERE ASTOUNDED. 
          THE FIREWORKS WERE JUST THE, THE CREAM ON THE COFFEE, IF YOU WANNA 
          [01:05:01]
SAY 'CAUSE I DRINK COFFEE. 
          BUT TRUTHFULLY, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH BROOK AND IS A, IS A VERY SPECIAL ONE BECAUSE IT'S ROOTED IN PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE TO HELP US. 
          AND IT, IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL. 
          IT IT'S INFORMATIONAL AND IT'S RELATIONSHIPS. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR NOW ALMOST 50 YEARS, I THINK. 
          I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR, BUT IF YOU EVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTAKE IN A ZWEI BROOK TRIP, PLEASE DO SO. 
          I I THINK GOING TO, GOING TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IS EYE-OPENING AND IT'S APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR OWN COUNTRY WHEN YOU COME BACK. 
          AND SO, EVEN THOUGH THEY ENJOYED OUR, OUR TRIP COMING TO SEE US, I KNOW THAT WHEN THEY GET BACK TO GERMANY, THEY'RE GOING TO BREATHE A SIGH OF RELIEF AND ENJOY THEIR OWN BED. 
          I MIGHT ADD THAT THE MAYOR OF BROOK AND PUT A VERY NICE, UH, ARTICLE ON FACEBOOK COMPLIMENTING, UH, YORK COUNTY. 
          GOOD. 
          I DON'T DO FACEBOOK. 
          TOM. 
          UM, THE, UH, I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THE SHEET, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM THE TPO AT THE LAST MEETING THAT'S AT, UH, HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION. 
          AND, UH, IT SEEMS IN MY LIFE, I'M SPENDING AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME DOING, UH, TPO WORK IN HRT, WHICH IS THE, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I, IF I DESCRIBED IT THIS WAY, I COULD SAY THE HAMPTON ROADS BRIDGE TUNNELS WAS IDENTIFIED AS A PROJECT. 
          THAT'S THE TPO, THE HR T FUNDING, THE FUNDING, THE ONES THAT FUNDED THE PROGRAM BY THROUGH THE COLLECTION OF, UH, UM, UH, 7% OR 0.7%, UH, UH, TAX, UH, REAL ESTATE, NOT REAL ESTATE, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? SALES TAX. 
          SALES TAX. 
          SO IN THE, IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, THOSE ARE HUGE PROJECTS. 
          BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 
          BUT THE THINGS THAT HIT HOME FOR US, AND UM, AND IT'S KIND OF REALLY FRUSTRATING, IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL PROJECTS. 
          THERE'S A THING CALLED THE SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAM THAT WE GET MONEY FOR. 
          AND AT ONE TIME, OVER 20 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD GET A YEAR, ON A YEAR BASIS, WE'D GET A COUPLE, MAYBE $2 MILLION. 
          UH, WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE THE $2 MILLION, ADD IT TO MAYBE ANOTHER YEAR OR MAYBE THREE YEARS, ACCUMULATE ENOUGH MONEY, AND THEN WE WOULD DO A SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, PROJECT WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, IN MY DISTRICT, WE DID A MODIFICATION OF, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD AND BIG BETHEL ROAD AND IN HAMPTONS HIGHWAY ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND BIG BETHEL ROAD. 
          SO WE DID MODIFICATIONS, WELL AS MONEY IS MONEY BEING TIGHT AND EVERYTHING, THOSE PROJECTS, UH, NOW WE WERE SECONDARY. 
          THE SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAM, WE WOULD GET, DID WE GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MAYBE, MAYBE. 
          AND WE HAVE TO SPREAD THAT OVER SIX YEARS. 
          AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT'S COSTING FIVE TO $6 MILLION, GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE LUCKY TO SEE IT GETTING DONE IN YOUR LIFETIME. 
          UM, SO THE, THE, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT SUFFER FROM THIS. 
          THE LACK OF MONEY COMING IN ON SMALL PROJECTS. 
          A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL GET, UH, PEOPLE ASKING US, WHY CAN'T I GET MY NEIGHBORHOOD ROAD PAVED? I SEE HAMPTON HIGHWAY GETTING PAVED. 
          WHY IS HAMPTON HIGHWAY GETTING PAVED? BUT I CAN'T GET MY STREET. 
          MY STREET HASN'T BEEN PAVED IN 40 YEARS. 
          UM, AND IT'S BECAUSE THE MONEY AND IT'S PRIORITIZATION. 
          WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN, UH, A, A PROGRAM CALLED THE TRANSPORTATION SET ASIDE. 
          AND THAT IS THIS, I LOVE THIS BECAUSE THIS DEALS WITH ONLY SMALL PROJECTS. 
          AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WEAR ROBE AND HAVE CANDLES AND WALK AROUND AND TALK WITH, TALK AT STRANGE TONGUES TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE VDOT LANGUAGE. 
          BUT IN A TRANSPORTATION SET ASIDE, WE HAVE ON THE, AND THE WAY THINGS ARE APPROVED, YOU HAVE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION WHO CHAIRS A THING CALLED THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR AND THEN THERE FROM THE DIFFERENT REGIONS. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE THAT SITS ON THE BOARD. 
          HE LIVES OVER IN VIRGINIA BEACH. 
          UM, AND, UM, JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION NOW IS I THINK, NO, HE IS NOT. 
          HE WAS THE PAST ONE. 
          HE WAS PAST ONE PAST ONE WAS FROM HAMPTON ROSE. 
          WELL, ANYWAY, SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THIS TRANSPORTATION SET ASIDE SMALL PROJECT CAME OUT TO, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $9 MILLION. 
          AND YOU GO, WELL, WHAT'S $9 MILLION GONNA DO? WELL, THERE'S TWO PROJECTS IN YOUR COUNTY OUT OF THEY, THEY PRIORITIZE THESE, OKAY? THEY GET A BUNCH OF SUBMISSIONS AND THEY GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE LIST. 
          AND THEN THE VARIOUS V VDOT, UH, PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS ONE SCORES SHOULD SCORE HERE AND WHATEVER. 
          SO THEY GOT, THEY HAD, UM, 16 SCORE, 16 PROJECTS THAT WERE SCORED. 
          TWO OF THEM IN YORK COUNTY. 
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UH, ONE IS THE, UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL CROSSWALK AND SIDEWALK. 
          AND THAT WAS SCORED. 
          AND, UM, TOTAL COST IS GONNA BE ABOUT $950,000 TOTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE FUNDED. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE TA TRAIL, 7 5 7 YORK COUNTY, SECTION TWO. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE IN ONE OF OUR THINGS TODAY. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, FUNDED AT THREE, A LITTLE OVER $3 MILLION. 
          SO THESE LITTLE PROJECTS, AND I POINTED THIS OUT TO THE BOARD, HOW SIGNIFICANT IT IS. 
          UH, THIS HAS GOT WILLIAMSBURG NEWPORT NEWS, SUFFOLK, NORFOLK, VIRGINIA BEACH, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY. 
          UM, UH, THEY'RE ALL IN THERE. 
          OKAY? BUT IT'S ONLY 16 PROJECTS AND WE GOT TWO OF THEM. 
          SO I'M REAL HAPPY THAT WE DID THAT. 
          THAT WAS A KIND OF A BIG SUCCESS. 
          SO WE'LL SEE THESE PROJECTS COME ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. RULE. 
          THANKS. 
          I'LL DEFER UNTIL ANOTHER TIME. 
          WE GOT A LOT COMING UP HERE WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND NIGHT'S GETTING ALONG. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. DREW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I AM REALLY EXCITED. 
          BO CLAYTON IS ON BOARD AT YORK COUNTY, UH, SOMETHING I'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR, FOR TWO YEARS. 
          AND, UM, UH, HE AND I HAVE SAT DOWN AND HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH IN YORK COUNTY TO BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND, UH, TRY TO BRING MORE GOOD REVENUE GENERATING BUSINESSES. 
          SO, UH, BO I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, UM, I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE SOME PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS OFF MY PLATE. 
          THAT'S WHAT  I'M HOPING FOR, BUT, UH, I'VE ENJOYED DOING IT. 
          UM, BUT I'M GLAD WE HAVE SOMEBODY DEDICATED TO DO IT NOW. 
          SO, WELCOME TO OUR TEAM. 
          UM, ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, WE HAD A GREAT TIME WITH THE ZUCK AND, UH, GERMAN DELEGATION. 
          UM, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          IT WAS A FANTASTIC TRIP. 
          THEY TREATED US LIKE KINGS AND QUEENS AND, UH, THEY JUST, THEY JUST WENT ALL OUT FOR US. 
          AND, UH, IT WAS GREAT GETTING TO KNOW THEM. 
          AND YOU GET TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE PERSONALLY. 
          SO WHEN THE TEAM CAME BACK THIS TIME, IT WAS LIKE, WE'VE NEVER LEFT EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, WE RECONNECTED, UM, JUST LIKE WE LEFT TWO YEARS AGO. 
          AND, UM, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, SHERRY AND HER TEAM. 
          I KNOW YOU KEPT THEM BUSY, BUSY, BUSY, AND THEY WERE WORE OUT, READY TO GET BACK ON A PLANE AND PROBABLY SLEEP THE WHOLE WAY HOME. 
          BUT I DO APPRECIATE, UH, MAYOR MERRILL, UH, BRINGING HIS TEAM AND, UH, JUST A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE. 
          UH, AND THE, THE SYNERGY THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE HAS BEEN GREAT TO BE A PART OF. 
          UM, JUST FOR, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP FOR MY NEWSLETTER, UM, I DID SEND A SURVEY OUT JUST ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT YORK COUNTY AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR, UH, HAVE IN YORK COUNTY. 
          SO IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED THAT SURVEY OUT, PLEASE DO SO. 
          UM, THAT'S HOW I GET MY INFORMATION TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD, UH, TO MAKE YORK COUNTY BETTER AND YORK COUNTY MORE OF WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT. 
          SO PLEASE, UH, GET INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          AND OF COURSE I'D BE REMISS IF I DON'T MENTION, UH, THE BUSINESSES AND HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING. 
          UM, DUTCH BROS IS WELL UNDERWAY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY THERE. 
          UH, THEY'RE PUTTING PIPES IN THE GROUND. 
          LOOKS LIKE THE BMP IS, UM, UH, BEEN CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, CHIPOTLE, I WOULD SUSPECT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO TURN THE KEY HERE. 
          I WOULD THINK SHORTLY. 
          UH, THEY'VE GOTTEN MOST OF THE WORK OUTSIDE DONE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO FINISH UP ON THE INSIDE. 
          UM, COOKOUT I THINK IS FINISHING UP ON THEIR INSIDE AS WELL. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE OPENING SOON. 
          AND I'M REALLY EXCITED. 
          I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OWNER OF MEADOWS CUSTARD, UH, OUT OF WILLIAMSBURG AND HAMPTON, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE. 
          THEIR CUSTARD IS AMAZING. 
          AND SO THEY WILL BE COMING NEXT YEAR, UM, HOPEFULLY IN THE SPRING IF WE CAN GET 'EM THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND TIME. 
          UM, THEY WILL BE GOING INTO THE FIRST ADVANTAGE BUILDING IN GRAFTON. 
          'CAUSE FIRST ADVANTAGE IS GONNA BE MOVING OVER TO WHERE IN FRONT OF THE FOOD LINE BY FORT S BOULEVARD. 
          SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL WE GOT. 
          CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAD, UM, ACTUALLY SEVERAL ITEMS TO COVER THIS EVENING. 
          SO BEGIN WITH THE FIRST ONE, MR. BELLAMY. 
          YOU, UH, RECEIVED A PRESENTATION RECENTLY, WHICH YOU SHARED WITH THE BOARD, UH, PRESENTATION MADE TO THE H-T-R-F-A REGARDING A LIVE PERFORMANCE VENUE, UH, TO BE ADDED POTENTIALLY TO THE, UH, SPORTS COMPLEX. 
          AS I READ THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THE FISCAL PROCEEDS PROCEEDS FOR, UH, YORK COUNTY IS $256,000 PER YEAR, AND YET THE INVESTMENT TOTAL IS 83 MILLION. 
          UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY 
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WANNA SEE, UH, UH, PRESENTATIONS SCHEDULED BEFORE THIS BOARD UNTIL THE ECONOMICS FOR THIS VENUE ARE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED ON HOW EACH PARTICIPANT IS EXPECTED TO, UM, UH, PUT CASH FORWARD AND THE REVENUE OR COST OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT, UM, ANALYZED RELATIVE TO THE INVESTMENT. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY STAFF REVIEW OUR POLICIES FOR THE STR. 
          WE GOT INTO QUITE A DEBATE IN THAT LAST MEETING, AND I JUST THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE BROUGHT THAT, UH, POLICY FORWARD AND REVIEWED IT ONCE AGAIN TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN THAT. 
          UM, WE HAD CONSIDERABLE DEBATE AND I, I JUST FELT THAT WE WERE NOT TERRIBLY WELL ALIGNED ON THE POLICY. 
          AND, AND IT BEHOOVES US TO DO THE WORK IN A WORK SESSION TO ADDRESS WHAT CAN WE DO. 
          I HAD ASKED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT, CAN WE MAKE CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT WE ARE STILL UNABLE TO DO THAT BASED ON LEGISLATION PASSED IN JANUARY OF 24 THAT PROHIBITS US FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES TO, UH, CURRENT ORDINANCES IN PLACE. 
          UH, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES, BUT YOU, YOU RISK THE, UH, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU RISK LOSING AN SUP CAPABILITY MM-HMM . 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE WANNA DO THAT. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, I, I HAD ASKED FOR A PAUSE ON FUTURE APPLICATIONS UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE'VE HAD THAT REVIEW. 
          THERE ARE NO CURRENT, UH, APPLICATIONS IN THE QUEUE AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO THAT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT POLICY REVIEWED AND BROUGHT FORWARD AND AGREED UPON BEFORE WE, UH, ENTER, ENTERTAIN NEW ONES, MR. , I WANTED TO, UH, THANK THE COUNTY STAFF FOR PREPARING THE RECENT SUMMARY OF THE 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION ANALYSIS. 
          UH, ONE BILL THAT FAILED DURING THE 26, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY WAS SB 4 54 ZONING. 
          IT WAS A BUYRIGHT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          EARLY VERSIONS OF THE BILL INCLUDED A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE, AND I'M SURE THAT WE WILL SEE SIMILAR VERSIONS OF THAT BILL RESURFACE IN 27. 
          THE CODE OF VIRGINIA 15 TWO DASH 22 ARTICLE NINE ADDRESSES IMPACT FEES. 
          AND THAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED FOR BILL SB 4 54 AND THEN WITHDRAWN. 
          BUT I'VE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THAT AND I'M, I'M WONDERING TO WHAT EXTENT PROVISIONS OF, UH, ARTICLE 15.22328 APPLICABILITY OF, UM, OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT FEES CAN APPLY TO A COUNTY. 
          NOW THAT PARTICULAR BILL, UH, EXPIRED IN DECEMBER OF 2008, SO IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING ON THAT PARTICULAR BILL, BUT I'M WONDERING WHETHER THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE IN THE, UH, 15 DASH TWO THAT WOULD APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT FEES THAT WE COULD LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT FEES ON THE DEVELOPER, ON THE DEVELOPER ON THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXAMINE HOW THOSE IMPACT FEES WERE CALCULATED BY THOSE COUNTIES THAT DID APPLY THAT PARTICULAR ARTICLE BACK IN 2008. 
          IF YOU COULD, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO DO A, A BIT OF A DIG ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FINAL COMMENT IS ON WALLER MILL HEIGHTS, AND WE'VE HAD GENTLEMEN COME FORWARD TONIGHT, UM, DISCUSSING, UM, THE ISSUES THAT THEY FACE IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT OUR PUBLIC'S WORK STAFF HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY FOLLOWING THE PROGRESS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SINCE CONSTRUCTION BEGAN. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN WELL OVER TWO YEARS. 
          UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING IN TERMS OF, UM, BMP AND UH, AND POTENTIALLY ROAD, UM, ROAD, UH, ROAD ISSUES. 
          UH, BUT THAT, UM, THAT DOESN'T STOP US FROM CONTINUING TO DO THE WORK THAT WE CAN DO, UH, TO DRIVE BOTH THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER AND UM, THE COUNTY TO, UM, IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA. 
          WE ARE SOMEWHAT PREVENTED IN MAKING ANY COMMENTS ON THAT PEER POINT BECAUSE ONE INDIVIDUAL HAS BROUGHT THREAT OF A LEGAL SUIT AGAINST BOTH MYSELF AND THE COUNTY. 
          SO WE ARE UNDER CLIENT COUNSEL PRIVILEGE ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES AND BASICALLY CAN'T MAKE THE KIND OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY OTHER THAN WE ARE WORKING IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [J. Recess]
WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE US INTO RECESS AND WE'LL RECONVENE IN FIVE MINUTES PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          I WONDER IF I CAN MAKE THE, ANY LARGER RECONVENE AND BEGIN 
          [4. Application No. UP-1070-26, Stanley Park Auto and Mike’s Towing LLC: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-112 to authorize a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 [Category 12, No. 18] of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to establish a towing service/auto storage and impound yard on an 11-acre parcel located at 1570 Penniman Road (Route 641).]
THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          FIRST APPLICATION IS, UH, STANLEY PARK AUTO AND MIKE'S TOWING, LLC. 
          I'LL CALL ON EARL ANDERSON. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A TOWING SERVICE, AUTO STORAGE AND IMPOUND YARD AT 1570 
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PENMAN ROAD. 
          IT'S THAT HATCHED AREA YOU SEE THERE. 
          UM, THAT AREA IS, UM, GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF USES IN IT. 
          UH, THE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS, UM, GOT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO INCLUDE. 
          UM, THE GREEN AREA AS PART OF THE NAVAL WEAPONS STATION, UM, THE, UH, TO THE EAST YOU'VE GOT SOME, UH, MULTI-TENANT WAREHOUSING BUILDINGS. 
          UH, YOU'VE GOT A LANDSCAPER THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          YOU'VE GOT A TRACTOR TRAILER LOT OUT THERE, AS WELL AS A LOT OF DIFFERENT LITTLE WAREHOUSING BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS THE PROPERTY HERE. 
          UM, THIS IS AN OLD PICTURE, UM, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO HERE IN THE FRONT AREA WHERE THESE WHITE TRACTOR TRAILER SAW. 
          UM, THIS LITTLE GREEN AREA IS STILL THERE. 
          UH, BUT THEY'LL WANT, THEY'RE LOOKING TO FENCE THAT IN TO CREATE THE IMPOUND YACHT HERE. 
          UM, THEY'RE TAKING BASICALLY AN EXISTING REPAIR GARAGE AND CONVERTING IT TO ALLOW FOR THE, THE TOWING USE. 
          BUT AS I SAID, MOST OF THE USES OUT THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THIS REALLY DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THAT AT ALL. 
          IT'D BE A TOWING AND A SERVICE IMPOUND LOT ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THEY'LL HAVE ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE SPACE IN THAT BUILDING. 
          UH, AND THEY'LL OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SO PEOPLE CAN COME PICK UP VEHICLES, DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO BETWEEN NINE AND FOUR, BUT THEY WILL HAVE SIGNAGE AND STUFF POSTED IF SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR VEHICLE A LITTLE EARLIER. 
          UM, SO, UH, AS WE'VE SAID IN OUR MEMORANDUM, UM, THE, THIS IS A VERY LOW INTENSE USE HERE ON THIS SITE WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          IT IS, SO IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE, UM, RESOLUTION YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU WILL PROVIDE THE NECESSARY PROTECTIONS WE HAVE WITH ALL TOWING TYPE OPERATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. 
          UH, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND YOU HAVE RESOLUTION NUMBER R 26 DASH ONE 12. 
          UH, THE PLANNING COMMISS DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT, UM, AT THEIR, THEIR LAST MEETING. 
          AND, UM, I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVEN'T. 
          UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS FAR AS THE, THE STAFF REPORT QUESTIONS FOR EARL? NO, THAT'S JUST PRETTY GOOD USE. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE. 
          UM, YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE WHERE THE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE? YES, SIR. 
          OOPS. 
          TOO FAR. 
          SO, UH, THE LAND, THE LOT IS GONNA BE THE TREE LINE LOT. 
          THESE OTHER TRACTOR TRAILERS UP FRONT. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I NEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MERL, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          YES SIR. 
          IS THIS, UM, OWNER ON, UM, FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF THE TOWING ADVISORY BOARD? UM, I PROBABLY SHOULD DEFAULT TO LET HIM ANSWER THAT. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE 'CAUSE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWING BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN THESE MEETINGS. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          I'LL UHHUH I'LL HOLD OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EARL, COULD, COULD YOU GO TO THE MAP WITH THE CLAP? THIS ONE? YEAH. 
          SO THE HASHED AREA IS, THIS IS THE BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING RIGHT HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR, BUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS, IS THIS LARGER HATCHED PIECE, BUT THE BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING IS RIGHT HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S NO PROVISIONS IN THIS REQUEST HERE TO EXPAND ANY OF THE BUSINESS INTO THIS, THAT SLIVER? OH NO. 
          THAT GOES NORTH AND THEN DO ANYTHING IN, IN THE BACK, BACK END OF IT, CORRECT? NO. 
          IS THAT PROTECTED WETLANDS OR IT'S NOT ANYTHING MEAN THERE. 
          IT'S MOSTLY TRACTOR TRAILER PARKING RIGHT NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THIS WHOLE BACK AREA. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TRACTOR TRAILERS PARKED BACK HERE TOO. 
          UM, I THINK PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE LOT'S BEING USED IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, FOR SOME KIND OF PARKING OR WAREHOUSING MATERIALS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE USED FOR, FOR TOWING, CORRECT? NO, THE ONLY AREA FOR THE TOWING WILL BE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE THAT BUILDING IS. 
          SO THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, SORT, IT'LL BE JUST RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT THAT'LL BE LIMITED TO THERE ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO, I, I THINK THE PACKAGE IS PRETTY CLEAR, BUT MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT, LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC, I WANTED YOU TO STATE IT SO YOU CAN, SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A JUNKY YARD. 
          IT'S GONNA BE THIS'S, A TOWING OF VEHICLE IN THERE. 
          THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE INOPERABLE VEHICLE THERE JUST FOR 90 DAYS. 
          RIGHT? 90 DAYS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY CAN HAVE ONE OPERABLE VEHICLE THERE FOR 30 DAYS. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS SOME, THEY'RE NOT GONNA STACK VEHICLES ON TOP OF THEMSELVES, SO YOU, CORRECT. 
          SO THIS IS JUST, UH, IT'S KIND OF IN AND OUT AND, AND, UM, YEAH, SO, AND IT, I, MY, MY TAKE WAS THAT THIS WAS PART OF, UH, THAT WAS TIED IN TO, WITH THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S LIST OF TOWING BECAUSE HE HAD TO MEET SOME, HE STATED SOME, SOMETHING WAS STATED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THEY DID WITH A, I THINK WITH THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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THANK YOU. 
          I'LL CALL ON THE APPLICANT. 
          I'M AARON FROM STANLEY PARK AUTO AND MIKE'S TOWING. 
          UM, HE, HE SHOWED YOU WHERE EXACTLY THAT I AM TRYING TO PUT THE STORAGE LOT. 
          UM, IT, IT'S REALLY NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BENEFIT BY PUTTING A FENCE UP THERE TO KINDA CLOSE OFF THAT LITTLE AREA TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING RIGHT UP INTO THE SHOP DOOR. 
          BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR, IN THIS BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. 
          I DO KNOW THE, THE TOWING INDUSTRY, WELL REALLY WELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I'M NOT PART OF YORK COUNTY OR STATE POLICE YET. 
          I HAVE TO HAVE THE STORAGE LOT ZONED CORRECTLY. 
          AND THEN, YES, I'M GONNA FOLLOW ALL THE LAWS TO THE PORT OF TOWING ADMINISTRATION THAT, THAT IS IN PLACE. 
          UM, SO, SO LET ME STOP YOU JUST FOR A SECOND. 
          SO YOU ARE DOING THIS TO THEN BE ABLE TO APPLY TO THE TOWING ADVISORY BOARD? YES, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S, UM, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING FOR Y'ALL'S APPROVAL SO I CAN STEP MY BUSINESS UP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? NO. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING CALL ON ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. 
          SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD DISCUSSION. 
          I MOVE PLEASE MOVE. 
          YES. 
          26 1 12, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE. 
          DASH 1 1 12. 
          1 12 1 12. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT LOOKING AT HERE. 
          I THINK THAT WAS RIGHT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          THE MOTION MADE BY MR. DREWRY IS TO APPROVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 26 DASH ONE 12 AS SUBMITTED. 
          MRS. NOEL? YES. 
          MR. DRURY? YES. 
          MR. ROH? YES. 
          MR. SHEPHERD? YES. 
          MR. HOLT? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED? YES. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          [5. Application No. ZT-221-26, York County Board of Supervisors: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 26-16 to amend the York County Zoning Ordinance, Section 24.1-104. Definitions and Section 24.1-271. Accessory uses permitted in conjunction with residential uses to define and allow the use of shipping/containerized cargo units as accessory sheds in residential areas.]
AND I'LL CALL AN EARL ANDERSON TO WALK US THROUGH YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPLICATION FOR ZONING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO A FEW MONTHS AGO THE BOARD HAD ASKED THE, UH, STAFF TO, UH, TRY TO PUT SOME TOGETHER SOME AMENDMENTS THAT, UH, MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALLOW, UH, CONTAINERIZED CARGO UNITS TO BE USED AS ACCESSORY SHEDS IN PEOPLE'S, UM, UH, IN, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          AND SO STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THIS INFORMATION. 
          UH, WE'VE CREATED A DEFINITION THAT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE BIGGER PIECES WHEN IT COMES TO THESE KINDS OF THINGS THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IS A REUSABLE METAL VESSEL. 
          IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY USED FOR PACKING, SHIPPING MOVEMENT, TRANSPORTATION OF FREIGHT ARTICLES, GOODS OR COMMODITIES BY COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAINS OR SHIPS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THAT, UM, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR THING IS GOING TO BE MODIFIED IN TERMS OF A REQUIREMENT OF A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND WE'LL EVENTUALLY BE CALL, WE WILL BE CONSIDERED A BUILDING. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS IN THERE, BUT I TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THE, THE, THE KEY PIECES THERE OF THE DEFINITION WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE SET FORTH IN THERE. 
          WE REMOVED THE, UM, SECTION IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          IT SAID IT'S PROHIBITED SO THAT THAT'S OUT OF THERE. 
          AND WE'VE PUT IT IN THERE SO THAT IT'S AN ALLOWED TYPE USE IN IS AN ACCESSORY USE. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO SET SOME STANDARDS WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE THERE TO KIND OF HELP PROTECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AND, AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE NOT, DO NOT BECOME UNSIGHTLY AND SO FORTH. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A, A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY WANNA BRING ONE OF THESE IN, THERE'S NOT AS MANY STANDARDS FOR THEM, BUT IF IT'S A SMALLER PIECE, IT'S VISIBLE FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OR THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO A FEW MORE THINGS. 
          SO SOME OF THOSE, UH, THINGS THAT WE, WE PUT IN IN THERE IS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE PER PROPERTY, SO ONLY ONE CAN BE USED. 
          IT DOES HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE STANDARDS IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET. 
          UH, ONE OF THOSE IS IT HAS TO BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. 
          AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF FOUNDATIONS THAT THEY, YOU COULD DO CONCRETE PAD, UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE SECURED. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE ARE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS IN THE STANDARD SO THAT IF ANYBODY WAS PLANNING TO DO THIS, THEY WERE AWARE THEY HAD THAT AWARENESS THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGER THINGS. 
          YOU COULDN'T JUST BRING IT IN AND DROP IT ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, IT HAS TO BE USED FOR THE STORAGE FOR THE, OF THE GOODS FOR THE PRINCIPAL USE. 
          SO, UH, WE DON'T WANT IT BEING USED FOR A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT NECESSARILY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, NO STACKING, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE CONTAINER, NOT TWO CONTAINERS STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. 
          AND THEN WE PUT SOME STIPULATIONS IN THERE THAT IF IT'S VISIBLE. 
          SO IF IT, IF YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR AN ADJACENT PROPERTY, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE SCREENED. 
          YOU CAN USE LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN IT. 
          UM, OR IF YOU PREFER, YOU COULD DO, YOU 
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COULD PUT SIDING ON IT AND A ROOF. 
          AND I HAVE SOME EXAMPLES. 
          SO BE PATIENT. 
          SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS LIKE A 45 FOOT CONTAINER. 
          YOU CAN GET UP TO A 45 FOOT, BUT I COULDN'T FIND A GOOD PICTURE FOR A 45 FOOT. 
          BUT 40 FEET, UM, IS THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT COULD GO DOWN TO 10 FEET. 
          THEY DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE FIVE FEET IN NATURE. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF HOW THEY COULD LOOK. 
          UH, THIS IS ONE WITH SIDING AND A ROOF, SO IT KIND OF MAKES IT LOOK MORE LIKE A, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE A STICK BUTCH STICK BUILT STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN, UH, HERE'S AN EVEN SMALLER ONE WITH A, YOU KNOW, A FLAT ROOF SIDING ON IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT WAS A CONTAINERIZED CARGO THAT THEY PUT, UM, THIS ON. 
          SO WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE'VE GIVEN A CLEAR DEFINITION OF IT. 
          UH, WE'VE TRIED TO SET SOME STANDARDS IN THERE THAT WOULD HELP PROTECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND YOU HAVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 26 DASH 16 FOR THAT, UH, THIS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, LAST MONTH. 
          AND THEY DID RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS. 
          THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE FOR ME ON, UM, HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT WE MISSED. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YES, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY DID YOU DO THIS? WHY, WHAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT? SO THERE'S, A FEW MONTHS AGO THE BOARD HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE UNITS BEING ALLOWED AS, UM, AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD OR IN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          AND SO THEY ASK US STAFF TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING TO SEE IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DO IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THESE, UM, STRUCTURES, UM, MADE A METAL. 
          UM, AND I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF 'EM RUSTED OUT IN PLACES. 
          SO IS THERE ANY MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, LIKE IF THE BACK END OF IT RU RUSTED OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE? WE DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE HERE IN THE, FOR THAT IN THE COUNTY, SO, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF IT'S VISIBLE FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SCREENED. 
          SO HOPEFULLY NO ONE WOULD SEE IT IF IT STARTED RUSTING OUT. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION, SIR. 
          MAY, MAY I, YEAH. 
          SO MR. ANDERSON, UM, IF A SHED WAS MADE OF WOOD AND THE SHED WAS ROTTEN AND FALLING, THAT WOULD BE CONDEMNED BY THE UH, BUILDING OFFICIAL? YES. 
          IT COULD BE CONDEMNED, YES. 
          SO MUCH THE SAME WAY THE METAL COULD BE AS WELL? VERY GOOD POINT, YES SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          CONDEMNATION IS ALWAYS A, A POSSIBILITY IF THE STRUCTURE IS UNSAFE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          . 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF THINGS? ONE, DOES THE ORDINANCE ADDRESS ANY SETBACKS FOR BUILDINGS, CONTAINERS OF THIS SIZE, PROPERTY LINE SETBACK, AND ALSO ABOUT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY? CAN SOMEBODY PLOP IT IN ANYWHERE ON THEIR PROPERTY OR IS IT REGULATED TO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE PROPERTY? SO I KNOW WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE ENTIRE ACCESSORY, UM, SECTION TO YOU, BUT IN THAT SECTION, LISTS OUT WHERE SHEDS CAN BE LOCATED. 
          SO USUALLY REAR YARD BEHIND THE PLANE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, THEY CAN BE UP TO FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, IF THEY COME INTO THE PLANE OF THE HOUSE, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TO BE BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE, THE, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. 
          SO WHEREVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS, IT HAS TO BE BEHIND THAT. 
          SO IT COULD BE 10 FEET OR FIVE FEET, DEPENDING HOW FAR IT IS INTO THE REAR YARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN'T POP A 45 FOOT METAL CONTAINER IN YOUR, IN YOUR FRONT YARD AND CALL IT GOOD. 
          YOU COULD NOT. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THIS, SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO DISCUSS HERE DURING BOARD DISCUSSION IS, IS IS FIVE FOOT OR 10 FOOT SETBACK ENOUGH FOR A STRUCTURE OF, OF THIS SIZE AS COMPARED TO THE TYPICAL STORAGE SHEDS THAT YOU CAN GET? SO WE'LL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT DURING BOARD DISCUSSION. 
          MR. DREWRY? NO, I'M GOOD. 
          I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          ARE ALL THE YES SIR, SETBACKS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          IS THERE AN SUP REQUIRED? THERE IS NOT. 
          WE, WE PUT THE VISIBILITY PIECE IN THERE RATHER THAN REQUIRE THE SUP. 
          UM, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THE BOARD DESIRES, THAT COULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING WE PUT IN THERE. 
          UH, WE FELT LIKE IF IT WAS VISIBLE, IF THEY'RE PUTTING SIDING ON IT OR THEY'RE PUTTING THE LANDSCAPING IN SO YOU CAN'T SEE IT, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME THINGS WE WOULD ASK IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO YOU'VE SAID ACCESSORY USES PERMITTED OUR CARPORTS GARAGES UTILITY SHED OR STORAGE FACILITY CAN'T LIVE IN IT. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE PUT IN THERE SPECIFICALLY THAT IT'S A, UM, THAT IT COULD BE ONLY USED FOR STORAGE 
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OF GOODS FOR THE PRINCIPAL USE. 
          SO IT CANNOT BE CONVERTED INTO AN A DU. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL CALL ON, UH, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CALL ON ANY CITIZENS WHO MAY WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS. 
          ANN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          ANN GREGORIAN, BALDRICK PLACE, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA. 
          UM, I OPPOSE THIS ORDINANCE MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE SCREENING AS AN OPTION SUCH AS SHRUBS. 
          SO I LIVE IN A CUL-DE-SAC. 
          I HAVE FIVE BACKYARD NEIGHBORS, AND THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL SITUATIONS WHERE, OH, WELL, WE'LL LET YOU DO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO SCREEN IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THE SCREENING DIES BECAUSE OF DROUGHT OR BECAUSE IT'S NOT WATERED, THEN THE ITEM'S VISIBLE. 
          AND SO YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA BE CALLING CODE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR AND A HALF AND SAYING, CAN YOU MAKE MY NEIGHBOR PLAN SOME MORE SHRUBS? UM, SO THEN YOU JUST LIVE WITH IT. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S MY OBJECTION, UH, TO THIS ORDINANCE. 
          UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM HAVING TO SIDE AND ROOF. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA PASS THIS ORDINANCE IS A BETTER, MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, ESPECIALLY IN, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE MORE DENSE. 
          AND, UH, SO I REALLY DON'T WANNA BE LOOKING AT THE GUY BEHIND ME. 
          HE, HE DOES A LOT OF WORK ON CARS, SO I CAN IMAGINE A HUGE SHIPPING CONTAINER BACK THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, HE CAN DRIVE THE CARS IN AND OUT OF IT. 
          SO, UM, AT LEAST IF IT HAD SIDING IN A ROOF, IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE A GARAGE, UH, THAN A SHIPPING CONTAINER. 
          SO THAT'S MY OBJECTION. 
          AND SO I HOPE THAT YOU'LL REFINE THIS ORDINANCE, UH, FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, STRICT, UM, RULES ON THIS DWELLING. 
          THANK YOU PAM. 
          POCHE 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT. 
          UM, AS I STATED, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION FIRST. 
          WHAT DOES SUV STAND FOR? UM, MR. ROY, YOU MADE THAT COMMENT ABOUT SUV, WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR? SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          SUV. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WASN'T SURE. 
          UM, CONTAINERS CAN BE UP TO 45 FEET LONG. 
          THIS IS NOT A SMALL TINY STRUCTURE. 
          ARE YOU GONNA TURN IT INTO A A, B AND B? ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE RENT IT OUT FOR HOUSING? WE DON'T SAY WHAT THAT UNIT CAN BE USED FOR. 
          IT'S NOT STATED ANYWHERE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO RENOVATE IT, YOU CAN MAKE, THEY'RE MAKING HOUSES OUT OF THESE THINGS TODAY. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE A, A CAVEAT THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO AGREE TO IT, ANY NEIGHBOR WHO DISAGREES, THEN YOU HAVE A FIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROBLEM. 
          WE ALREADY ALLOW LARGE RVS, TRAILERS, BOATS, AND DERELICT CARS IN OUR BACKYARDS. 
          DO WE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE JUNK YARD EFFECT OF BACKYARDS? I HOPE NOT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT AS RENTAL HOUSING. 
          I KNOW IF YOU PA PLANT LANDSCAPING, IT CAN TAKE MANY YEARS TO REACH THE HEIGHT OF ONE OF THOSE CONTAINERS. 
          THEY'RE NOT LOW TO THE GROUND. 
          AND I'M ASKING THAT YOU PUT THIS APPLICATION IN THE COUNTY DUMP CONTAINERS WHERE IT BELONGS . 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A REFERENDUM ON IT ONCE IN A WHILE, I SEE NO OTHERS. 
          I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING DISCUSSIONS BY THE BOARD SO I I'LL JUMP IN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE HOMEOWNER OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, BE ABLE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AS THE WAY THEY SEE FIT THROUGH THEIR ENJOYMENT, BUT ALSO THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS BEING ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY PLACES IN THE COUNTY WHERE A, UM, UH, STRUCTURE LIKE THIS CAN GO SEMA SEAMLESSLY. 
          PEOPLE GOT MULTI ACRES OF PROPERTY SLIDE IN THERE, NO PROBLEM. 
          OTHER PLACES NOT SO MUCH. 
          THAT KIND OF LED TO MY, MY COMMENT ABOUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, AUGMENT THE SETBACK RULES FOR STRUCTURES OF THIS TYPE AND THE SIZE. 
          AND WE MAY ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION UPON, AND IT'LL DEPEND ON HOW BIG YOUR LOT SIZE IS, HOW BIG OF A STRUCTURE YOU CAN PUT THERE, 10 FOOT, 40 FOOT, 45 FOOT, ET CETERA. 
          AND TO MR. ROY CO COMMENTS, A QUESTION ABOUT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I THINK THESE SHOULD GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PARTICULARS OF A GIVEN APPLICATION TO SEE WHETHER IT'S A GOOD FIT OR WHETHER WE CAN PROVIDE REMEDIES TO ALLOW IT TO GO INTO A CERTAIN AREA AS WELL AS GIVE THE HOMEOWNERS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST IT OR SHARE THEIR, SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AS WELL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS EVER COME UP BEFORE, 
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SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET UN DONATED WITH, WITH TOO MANY. 
          UH, WE'RE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, SO I THINK IT'S MANAGEABLE FROM THERE. 
          SO, UH, SETBACK PROPER SIZES FOR A GIVEN LOT PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, PROCESS. 
          SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO EVALUATE AND CITIZENS HAVE A CHANCE TO PROVIDE INPUT. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, SOMEBODY IN MY DISTRICT AND I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE LOOK LIKE A VERY NICE SHED. 
          IF YOU LOOK, I'VE LOOKED AT PICTURES OF A BUNCH OF 'EM AND EARL SHOWED US A COUPLE PICTURES. 
          IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A SHED. 
          IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU FACE IT ON THE FRONT OF THE TOP. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A SHED. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A BUILDING OUT BACK THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO USE FOR STORAGE. 
          AND MY MY THOUGHT IS IT HAS TO LOOK GOOD. 
          IT HAS TO BE WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO APPROVE OF IT. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS MY INITIAL, UH, ASK WHEN WE, WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP. 
          UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HIDEOUS LOOKING IF WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          OUR, OUR ZONING PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA LET IT NOT ALLOW IT TO LOOK LIKE SOME PIECE OF JUNK SITTING IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD. 
          JUST LIKE THEY DON'T ALLOW THAT FOR SHEDS. 
          IF IT BECOMES DILAPIDATED, THEY CAN SEND SOMEBODY OUT AND CONDEMN IT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING. 
          I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE HEARING WHAT EARL SAID ABOUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE USED AS A LIVING QUARTER. 
          THAT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UH, IF WE KNOW ABOUT IT, IF WE FIND OUT ABOUT IT, OF COURSE WE'LL BE OUT ON THEM, UH, RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, IT'S GOING TO LOOK TO OUR STANDARDS. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE IN OUR SETBACKS. 
          I'M OKAY STEVEN WITH LOOKING AT THE SIZE. 
          UH, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF THE, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE BACKYARD REALLY. 
          UM, AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SUP HONESTLY. 
          'CAUSE YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE VERY FEW OF THESE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          TO ME, IT'S OPENING PANDORA'S BOX. 
          UH, I I I'M NOT SURE IF YOU LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NEEDED. 
          I, THERE ARE STORAGE AREAS THAT YOU CAN RENT IF YOU NEED TO STORE A LOT OF THINGS. 
          UH, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT BEFUDDLED ABOUT THIS. 
          I'M REALLY AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T ALLOW SOMEBODY TO HAVE A CERTAIN CAR. 
          I DON'T THINK SO, MR. UH, SHEPHERD. 
          YEAH. 
          MY SENSE IS THAT, UH, I, I, I LISTEN TO THE ARGUMENT. 
          SO THEN I, I GO BACK TO MY YOUTH LIVING IN THE WOODS AND, UH, AND YEAH, WE BUILD A, WE BUILD A, WE BUILD OUR SHEDS AND BARNS AND CRAP LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN THE CITY COMES OVER AND TAKES OVER EVERYTHING. 
          SO WE HAD TO SHUT, PULL ALL THAT STUFF OUT THERE. 
          UM, I, THIS TO ME, THIS IS OPENED UP A PROBLEM. 
          THIS IS GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM. 
          UM, IT'S MORE THAN JUST, UH, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE GOT THIS IMAGE OF THESE BIG CONTAINERS COMING OFF THESE, YOU KNOW, 40 FOOT CONTAINERS AND THE, AND THE OTHER ONES, UH, YEAH, YOU CAN MODIFY IT. 
          MOST SHEDS ARE CUSTOMIZED FOR A PURPOSE. 
          THEY'RE CUSTOMIZED FOR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE A SHOP TO WORK IN, IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A ROOF. 
          YOU CAN HAVE STORAGE BIN INSIDE, PROBABLY LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY ON IT. 
          YOU'RE GOTTA MAKE IT FIT WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT. 
          AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAS LIMITATIONS ON SHEDS. 
          UM, I JUST, UH, I CAN SEE WHERE, UM, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANNA PUT THESE THINGS IN THERE AND, AND BEAUTIES IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER UNLESS WE CAN REALLY CLAMP DOWN ON WHAT THIS THING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          I MEAN, REALLY CLAMP DOWN ON IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEBODY WOULD SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON A STORAGE UNIT THAT HAD TO PUT IT ON A CONCRETE BASE. 
          IF, IF IT'S, IF THAT'S THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE, UM, THIS THING COULD BE REALLY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO I, I JUST DON'T, I JUST SEE THIS, IF WE DO SPECIAL USE, MAYBE THERE'LL NOT BE A LOT OF FOLKS UP THERE, BUT I, IT, THIS TO ME IS JUST GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM. 
          AND I, I, I JUST, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D WANT TO DO THIS IN YOUR COUNTY. 
          HMM. 
          I THINK I'M ECHOING SOME OF THE SAME COMMENTS. 
          I'VE, I'VE SEEN THESE USED AS, UH, TEMPORARY HOUSING IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD. 
          I'VE, I'VE, I'VE STAYED IN ONE IN AMSTERDAM ON THE CANALS. 
          SO I MEAN THE, SOMETIMES THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE 
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AND, AND, AND, UH, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          I'M, I'M FEARFUL OF THIS BECOMING A DWELLING UNIT AND UM, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A LEGAL DWELLING UNIT, BUT, BUT THEN I'VE GOT PEOPLE PARKED IN THERE THAT ARE PERHAPS OF DIFFERENT, UH, ORIGIN OR DIFFERENT, OR HAVE IMMIGRATED TO THIS COUNTRY AND NOT NECESSARILY LEGALLY AND, AND ET CETERA. 
          I'M, I'M JUST FEARFUL THAT IT LEADS TO A WHOLE NEW SET OF PROBLEMS, UH, THAT WE CREATE BY ALLOWING THIS. 
          SO, WELL THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. 
          SO WE, YOU COULD GO TO THE SUP PROCESS, BUT I, I THINK THE WORDING HAS TO BE EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT IT MAY NOT HOUSE ANY INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW IT SAYS ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL LIVING THAT THAT WORDING IS ALREADY CONFUSING. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M INCLINED TO JUST SAY, LET'S TABLE THIS. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT ON HOW TO TIGHTEN THAT ORDINANCE UP TO MAKE IT MORE AMENABLE TO GO BEING ESTABLISHED SOMEWHERE ON, ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE, WE GOT PROPERTY OF ALL SHAPES AND SIZES. 
          UM, WE CAN'T MAKE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL RULE THAT KIND OF LED TO THE SUP CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THAT AGAIN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INSTEAD OF JUST BLANKET YES OR BLANKET NO, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY WHETHER IT'S A GOOD FIT OR NOT. 
          PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I, I GET THE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, BUT YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL ON LEGISLATING OR PASS ORDINANCE ON CONCERNS OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, WHAT, WHAT SOMEBODY MAY DO, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT DO AS WELL. 
          THAT'S LIKE SAYING YOU CAN'T PURCHASE A CERTAIN ITEM BECAUSE YOU'RE AFRAID OF WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT, MIGHT DO WITH IT, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GONNA USE IT RESPONSIBLY. 
          UM, AND WE, WE, AND WE GOTTA STAY AWAY FROM US DECIDING WHAT SOMEBODY MAY OR MAY NOT NEED. 
          THAT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE IF, IF THEY WANT TO USE THAT, GREAT. 
          IF THEY WANT TO USE A STORAGE UNIT, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF THEY WANNA PUT IT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, THEN WE JUST NEED TO TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE TO, TO ADDRESS IT. 
          BUT WE SHOULD BE THE ONE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY JUST USE A STORAGE UNIT OR THEY PUT A SHED ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT THAT'S, THAT WE'RE GETTING OUTSIDE OF OUR LANE. 
          BUT STEVE, I CAN TAKE THIS, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, I COULD TAKE THAT AND SAY, WELL, WHY ARE WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS? WHY DO WE HAVE THESE RESTRICTIONS ON, ON HOUSING? WHY DON'T WE EXPECT, YOU KNOW, UH, RENTALS. 
          I MEAN, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, YOU COULD APPLY, YOU COULD APPLY TO ANYTHING WE DO IN THIS COUNTY. 
          AND, AND THE POINT WE DO THE, WE DO THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE OUR COUNTY LOOK A CERTAIN WAY. 
          I MEAN, WE, WE'RE NOT A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, BUT IN SOME PLACES YOU HAVE, YOU, WE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SERVE ALMOST AS A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. 
          SO I JUST, I GOT THIS VISION. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S JUST 'CAUSE I'M OLD, BUT I GOT THIS VISION. 
          I'VE SEEN CRAP. 
          UH, THAT YOU COULD TAKE A A, UH, THIS THING, I, I SEE A RUSTING OUT BEING RATTED FEST. 
          SOMEBODY PUT, PUT CRAP IN THERE, STORED OLD TIRES OR, OR FOOD OR STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND IT JUST TURNS IN, INTO BE A, THIS COULD BE A NIGHTMARE IF IT'S NOT HANDLE CROP, IF WE TIGHTEN IT DOWN. 
          I, I AGREE. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE CONTAINER IS USED FOR HAULING STUFF. 
          YOU, YOU COULD TAKE A TRACTOR TRAILER AND USE THE BACK END OF A TRAILER AS A STORAGE, BUT WE PUT LIMIT, WE PUT LIMITS. 
          SO IF WE WANT TO CRANK THIS THING DOWN TIGHT WHERE THEY WANNA HAVE TO SHOW WHY ARE THEY GONNA CHANGE THE COLORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YEAH, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          BUT JUST, WELL, I JUST KIND LIKE, MAN, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY GO THROUGH THIS HASSLE? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT GONNA SOLVE? NOT SOLVING A PROBLEM. 
          SOMEBODY CAN BUILD, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT THAT KIND OF MONEY, GO BUILD A SHED THAT'S FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S FIT FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENT. 
          BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA BE INTO, ALRIGHT, HERE'S THE TYPE OF SHED YOU CAN BUILD. 
          SO SOME, SOMEWHERE ALONG LINE WE WE'RE, WE'RE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE FOR THIS TOO. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MAYBE PLOP IN A 10 FOOT STORAGE UNIT AND, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, 'CAUSE I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THIS BEFORE TONIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE CONTAINERS ARE A WHOLE LOT MORE DURABLE THAN SAY A TRACTOR TRAILER. 
          TRAILER. 
          THEY FLOAT WELL IN THE OCEAN SOMETIMES THEY, THEY, THEY FLOAT WELL, AND I LOOKED INTO THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN OF THESE ST THEY, I GUESS I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 15 YEARS OF SERVICE AS A STORAGE, UH, CONTAINER. 
          BUT PLACING IT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AS A STORAGE SHED ON A, UM, ON A PROPER FOUNDATION, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET 40 OR 50 YEARS OUTTA ONE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH A TRACTOR TRAILER. 
          TRAILER. 
          IT, IT WILL FALL, FALL APART. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE A LOT MORE DURABLE, UM, THAN, THAN THAN THE SHED IN MY BACKYARD THAT THING'S, I DON'T KNOW, NOT EVEN 20 YEARS OLD. 
          AND IT'S GOT SOME PROBLEMS WHERE IF I'D HAVE DROPPED A 10 FOOT STORAGE CONTAINER BACK THERE, I I'D HAVE PROBABLY STILL GOT ANOTHER 20, 30 YEARS 
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ON A THING. 
          NOT THAT I WANT TO, BUT IT'S, I'M VERY RELUCTANT TO TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF REGULATIONS ON IT, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SOLVE ALL THOSE PROBLEMS TONIGHT. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SOLVE THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          THE QUESTION CAME UP, THIS IS HOW I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS IT. 
          I'D LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE I LIKE TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND SEE HOW THEY CAN FIT SOME OF THESE, THESE CONCERNS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THEN HAVE, HAVE A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE IT NEEDS TO COME TO A WORK SESSION FIRST. 
          I, NO, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. 
          TOM, THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT PEOPLE JUST STORING STUFF IN THERE. 
          PEOPLE DO THAT IN THEIR SHEDS ALL DAY LONG. 
          ALL DAY LONG. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT IT, AND SHEDS ROT, THEY FALL APART. 
          IT, THEY DON'T, LIKE STEVEN SAID, THEY DON'T LAST FOREVER. 
          AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A HEFTY METAL CONTAINER THAT WILL LAST A LONG, LONG TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WHY DON'T WE TURN IT INTO, SO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN SERIOUSLY, I I JUST, TO ME IT'S JUST, I JUST SEE A PROBLEM. 
          IT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          NOW. 
          I CAN BE AFRAID OF EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL GO ALONG WITH TABLE AND IT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU COME BACK, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TIGHTEN IT DOWN AND IT, I'M NOT GONNA COME OUT OF IT WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          YEP. 
          I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, I, I MEAN I, I AGREE. 
          I LET BY FLEX FLEXIBILITY, BUT I, I, THAT'S ABOUT AS FAR AS I'M GONNA GO WITH THIS. 
          WELL, IF YOU GOT SUP YOU GET PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU YEP, YEP. 
          AND YOU, YOU, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS THEY COME UP, IT GIVES STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO, WELL LISTEN, YOU'RE ON A THIRD ACRE PLOT. 
          45 FOOT CONTAINER IS NOT GONNA PASS THE SUP SO HERE'S, LET US RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE FOR YOU. 
          I GOT A NEIGHBOR, NOT A NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAS FIVE, I THINK ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE SHEDS ON HIS PROPERTY. 
          MM. 
          HE JUST LIKES SHEDS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SHEDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING MAINTAINED OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, I CAN SEE THE SAME PERSON COMING IN AND SAY, OH WAIT A MINUTE, I COULD PUT A 40 FOOT THING ON THERE. 
          WELL, STEVEN JUST SAID, WE'RE GONNA TIGHTEN THOSE REQUIREMENTS UP. 
          WELL, WE TIGHTEN 'EM UP. 
          BUT ALL YOU GOTTA DO, YOU'RE BURY TRYING TO BURY 'EM IN SHRUBS. 
          BUT THE POINT IS, I'M, I'M HAVING AN ISSUE IN MY C IN IN MY DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE A, A FENCE, A WHITE FENCE THAT BY SOME, I'M NOT GONNA GO ALL INTO IT, BUT WE GOTTA HIDE THE FENCE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THESE THINGS JUST, THEY JUST, OKAY, BECAUSE WE GOTTA WAIT FOR THE TREES TO GROW BIG ENOUGH TO HIDE THE, TO HIDE THE THING. 
          SO THESE, THERE'S ALL THESE ISSUES. 
          I I, I WOULD JUST SAY I'LL GO, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE THESE, WE TIGHTEN IT UP WITH A MINIMUM'S GONNA BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I, I JUST FEEL ALMOST, I DUNNO, I FEEL ALMOST PERSONALLY, I ALMOST FEEL EMBARRASSED THAT WE, YO COUNTY'S GONNA BE KNOWN AS A PLACE WITH WHERE YOU CAN PARK YES. 
          A STORAGE. 
          YOU CAN TURN A STORAGE TRAILER INTO A STORAGE UNIT UNIT. 
          I JUST, IT RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PATH FORWARD UNLESS WE TABLE. 
          AND THAT'S FOR YEAH, I AGREE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THAT GIVES EACH OF US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH STAFF TO GO OVER HERE'S, HERE'S OUR CONCERNS AND HERE'S WHAT ADDRESSING GETTING IN MORE DETAIL ON ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSIONS. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE. 
          YES. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          I'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS TILL, ALL RIGHT. 
          HOW DO WE GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT, MR. ATTORNEY? I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU, UH, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. 
          I, I MEAN, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME, I'D SAY 60 DAYS OUT, MAYBE PICK THE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER PUB, YOU KNOW, NO PUBLIC HEARING DATE OR SOME OTHER DATE AFTER THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SUFFICIENT TIME TO PROBABLY WORK IT OUT. 
          BUT DO WE CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SINCE WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION? WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING YET. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, BUT YOU CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION. 
          I DID. 
          WELL, YEAH, HE DID. 
          OH, HE DID? YEAH, HE DID. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          BUT CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I RECOMMEND YOU DO. 
          SO TO A DATE CERTAIN SEPTEMBER IS THE EARLIEST WE SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          AUGUST IS A BUSY CALENDAR. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL I AGREE. 
          SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE FIRST NO, UNTIL THE SECOND COMPROMISE TUESDAY. 
          WELL, I WOULD SAY THE SECOND MEETING. 
          SECOND MEETING. 
          THE SECOND MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR IN SEPTEMBER, WHATEVER DATE, WHATEVER DATE THAT IS. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          GOT THAT ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROH IS TO CONTINUE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 26 DASH 16 TO THE SEPTEMBER 15TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. 
          MR. DRURY. 
          YES. 
          MR. ROH. 
          YES. 
          MR. SHEPHERD. 
          YES. 
          MRS. NOLL. 
          NO. 
          MR. ROY. 
          YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          [6. Donation of Two Easements to Newport News Waterworks for the HRSD Pressure Reducing Station. Consider Proposed Resolution R26-120 to grant and donate two permanent 10-foot Water Main Easements across County-owned property to the City of Newport News Waterworks (NNWW), in coordination with HRSD’s existing utility easements in the area.]
THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, DONATION OF TWO EASEMENTS TO NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS FOR THE HRSD PRESSURE REDUCING STATION. 
          CALL ON ROB KRIEGER TO, UM, ADDRESS THE BOARD. 
          UH, CHAIRMAN WARD, 
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VICE CHAIR SHEPHERD MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I, UH, COME TO YOU TONIGHT TO REQUEST A BOARD AUTHORIZATION TO GRANT AND DONATE TWO EASEMENTS ACROSS COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY TO THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS. 
          WATERWORKS. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU GOT SOME OF THIS IN YOUR READ AHEAD. 
          UM, THIS IS BEING DONE IN, UH, COORDINATION WITH HRSD TO FACILITATE, UM, SERVICE RELIABILITY, UH, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FOR THE NEW PRESSURE REDUCING REDUCING STATION. 
          APOLOGIZE, STAFF HAS VETTED THIS AND I WON'T AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO ACCESS OR OPERATE ON THE EASEMENT. 
          UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY DO WE DONATE? WHY DON'T WE GET FAIR VALUE FROM THE LAND? WELL, BEFORE WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, LET'S ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          ARE WE CONVEYING REAL ESTATE PROPERTY OR JUST GIVING AN EASEMENT. 
          EASEMENT. 
          EASEMENT. 
          SO WE STILL ON THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T READ IT THAT WAY. 
          I, I HEARD THAT WE WERE DONATING, RIGHT? SEPTEMBER. 
          I HEARD THE WORD DONATE AN EASEMENT GIVING TWO PERMANENT WATER EASEMENTS ACROSS COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          IT'S JUST AN EASEMENT. 
          SO IT'S A PERMANENT EASEMENT, NOT RIGHT. 
          POSSESSION OF THE LAND. 
          SO IF IT, YOU WANT TO DO THE, THE PERMANENT EASEMENT? IF SOME, IF YOU DO A TEMPORARY EASEMENT, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY CAN COME RIGHT OUT THERE. 
          FIX THE WATER LINE AND SUPPORT HRSD. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I DON'T SEE THAT BUILDING MOVING ANYWHERE, ANYTIME SOON. 
          SO, UH, NO, SIR. 
          UH, MR. ROY, I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU AS WELL. 
          THIS IS PART OF THAT PRESS OR REDUCING, UH, PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED HRSD, NEWPORT NEWS. 
          WATERWORKS, HRSD JUST DONATED 10 ACRES OF LAND WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WE DID GET SOME VALUE OUT OF THIS. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD, GOOD POINT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WHERE'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I MOVE. 
          RESOLUTION R SIX R 26 DASH ONE 20. 
          ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION. 
          R 26 DASH ONE 20 AS SUBMITTED. 
          MR. ROHN? YES. 
          MR. SHEPHERD? YES. 
          MRS. NOEL? YES. 
          MR. DRURY? YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MR. ROY? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          [M. Consent Calendar]
I WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          WELL, I'LL SAY WHAT I SAID EARLIER. 
          I'D LIKE TO, YEAH, I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON THAT. 
          SO, YOU'VE ALREADY REQUESTED THAT WE PULL 17 FOR SEVERAL DISCUSSION. 
          PULL 17 OUT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YEP. 
          THANKS. 
          SO THIS WILL BE ON THE REMAINING ITEMS, APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF, UM, MAY 19TH AND JUNE 2ND. 
          REIMBURSEMENT FROM BOND PROCEEDS REIMBURSEMENT FROM BROAD PROCEEDS OF SCHOOL DIVISION GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR EMERGENCY HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, SMART SCALE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS, ASPHALT PAVING AND RELATED SITE WORK REQUEST, INDOOR PLUMBING REHABILITATION PROJECT FUNDING, ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF FISCAL YEAR 27. 
          SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICER POSITION GRANT AWARD EASEMENT CONVEYANCE TO, UH, DOMINION ENERGY FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER SIX, AN APPOINTMENT OF COUNTY ASSESSOR. 
          OF THOSE, IS THERE ANY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? YOU'VE ALREADY PULLED NUMBER 17. 
          WE'LL DO 17 SEPARATELY. 
          YES. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR IF THERE'S NO OTHER OBJECTIONS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON. 
          14, PLEASE. 
          WHICH ONE? 14. 
          WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S FINE. 
          SO THIS IS SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICERS, AND WE HAD QUITE A DISCUSSION IN PRE AGENDA ON, IS THIS AN RSO, IS IT NOT AN RSO? I'D LIKE CLARITY ON THIS. 
          ARE THESE PERMANENT POSITIONS OR ARE THEY NOT PERMANENT POSITIONS? WHERE DOES THE GRANT MONEY COME FROM? MR. ROY, UM, MS. OWENS HAS DONE SOME RESEARCH WITH, UM, BILL BOWEN ON THIS, AND SHE'S, I THINK, PREPARED TO ANSWER MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THESE ARE FIVE, UM, POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. 
          THEY ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, THEY WON'T HOLD ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT 
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POWERS. 
          UM, THE GRANT IS A FEDERAL GRANT. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S THROUGH VEM, UM, FOR THAT, FOR, FOR, UH, TWO THIRDS OR, OR 80% OF THE, UM, COST OF THEM. 
          AND THERE TO BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE USED IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT THE 10 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. 
          AND THEN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD ARE THESE PERMANENT POSITIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A CHOICE AT THE END OF THIS GRANT PERIOD TO, TO REMOVE THESE POSITIONS? I THINK THEY'RE GONNA EVALUATE THE, THE, UM, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT AFTER THE GRANT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY WANT TO KEEP THE POSITIONS OR NOT AND FUND THEM. 
          BUT THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO CONTINUE TO FUND THEM. 
          I HAVE A, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN WHEN THE GRANT EXPIRES, THE JOB'S EXPIRE UNLESS THEY DECIDE TO REPLY, REAPPLY FOR A CONTINUING CONTINUATION OF THE GRANT, EITHER A GRANT OR THEY, OR DO THEY DECIDE TO USE LOCAL FUNDING EMPLOYEES THROUGH BUDGET PROCESS? THEY CAN BECOME, THEY'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO, OKAY, SO HOW MANY, SO WE HAVE THESE, WHAT ARE THEY? SSOS, RIGHT? SO SCHOOL SECURITY, WE HAVE THESE SSOS NOW SCHOOL SS HAVE SOME SR. 
          WHAT DO THEY CALL? NOT THE RESOURCE OFFICER. 
          RESOURCE OFFICERS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 
          WELL, NO, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          HANG ON. 
          LEMME ASK MY QUESTION. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OF THESE NOW? YES. 
          THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? SCHOOL SECURITY OFFICERS. 
          SCOS. 
          S SSOS. 
          SSOS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I CAN'T SPELL S SSOS. 
          OKAY, SO WE GOT THESE. 
          SO WE HAVE SSOS AND WE HAVE 'EM IN OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          NO, WE DO NOT. 
          WE HAVE 'EM IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO SUPPLEMENT OUR SROS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SUPPLEMENT TO THE SROS, WHICH ARE THE, THE POLICE GUYS, THE ACTUAL GUNS AND THE ACTUAL SWORN OFFICERS YES. 
          AND STUFF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE S SSOS ARE GOING THE ONE FOR THIS GRANT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS. 
          WHAT, HOW MANY WE GETTING? FIVE. 
          FIVE. 
          THESE ARE ALL COMING IN ON A GRANT? YES. 
          HISTORICALLY, HISTORICALLY, WHEN WE DO THIS, AND I'M NOT GONNA BLAME THE COUNTY, BUT, BUT THE COUNTY DOES THIS ALSO. 
          WE GO, OH, GRANT, GRADUATE GRANT. 
          NEXT THING WE KNOW, THE GRANT RUNS OUT AND WE END UP WITH A BUNCH OF EMPLOYEES THAT'LL BECOME PART OF OUR YES. 
          OUR FUNDINGS, UH, DRILL. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. 
          SO LET'S GET REAL HERE. 
          SO NOW THE QUESTION I'VE GOT, ARE WE HIRING MALL COPS OR ARE WE HIRING PEOPLE THAT REALLY DO STUFF? I THINK WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE TRAINED TO DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE TRAINED. 
          SEE, HERE'S WHAT, GO AHEAD. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          HANG ON. 
          I, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, I KNOW I'VE HEARD THIS NOW I'VE HEARD THIS FROM, FROM SEVERAL, AND I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SCHOOLS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THE EDUCATION CORNERED. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          WHAT I'M NOT REALLY FIRED UP ABOUT IS THAT LATER YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND ASK FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT THESE POSITIONS. 
          WHEN I'M NOT, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING DOWN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BECAUSE I GOT THIS VISION THAT, I MEAN, I, I HATE TO USE THIS. 
          I, I'M USING THE MALL COP, UH, VISION, BECAUSE THAT'S YOU GUYS WALKING AROUND IN UNIFORMS, YOU KNOW, WITH RADIOS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT PROVIDES A PRESENCE THAT SOMEBODY CAN, GETS IN TROUBLE. 
          THEY CAN MAKE A CALL, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE RSOS COME RUN OVER THERE AND, AND DO THE SMACKDOWN OR WHATEVER IS NEEDED TO GET THINGS SORTED OUT. 
          . 
          BUT A QUESTION I'VE GOT, WE HAVE GUIDANCE COUNSELORS THAT ALREADY DO STUFF FOR THIS STUFF. 
          WE GOT PRINCIPALS, WE GOT ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS. 
          WE GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY DOING SOME OF THIS STUFF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WHAT ARE THESE GUYS DOING THAT'S SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ARMED. 
          THEY GONNA RUN AROUND IN UNIFORMS, BLUE UNIFORMS LOOKING, WEARING A BADGE, LOOKING, LOOKING ALL PROFESSIONAL AND EVERYTHING. 
          WHAT ARE THESE GUYS DOING? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA BE USED TO, UM, DEESCALATE IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY'RE BE USED, THEY'RE GONNA BE USED TO, FOR CROWD CONTROL, WORD DEESCALATE. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE USED TO HELP SUPPLEMENT THOSE PRINCIPALS, THOSE ASSISTANT PRINCIPALS AND THE FOLKS IN THE SCHOOLS OKAY. 
          TO HELP THEM. 
          IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. 
          I'M GONNA CUT TO THE CHASE HERE. 
          OKAY? I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING FOR IT. 
          BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE END GAME, I'M GONNA MEET WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND HE'S GONNA EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING DOWN HERE. 
          BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON, I WANNA SPEND MONEY ON PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA TEACH OUR KIDS TO, TO DO STUFF. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM . 
          I'M NOT, I MEAN, I, WE NEED POLICE AND WE NEED, UH, RESOURCE OFFICERS IN OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. 
          AND I KNOW WE PUT A TON OF MONEY ON THE ENTRANCES AND GREAT, YOU KNOW, I, IF THESE GUYS ARE NOT ABLE TO DEFEND OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE SOME FREAK WANTS TO COME IN THERE AND DAMAGE OUR KIDS OR OUR SCHOOL, THEN THE GUYS I WANT ARE LIKE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR COP OVER HERE IN THE BACK. 
          I WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S ARMED 
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UP AND READY TO, TO READY MATCH. 
          I DON'T ONLY HAPPEN TO HAVE ANOTHER PERSON ON A PHONE TRYING TO CALL FOR A POLICE, BECAUSE I KNOW WE GOT A, WE GOT A WHOLE, WHOLE ROOM OF, OF, OF, UH, OF TEACHERS AND PROFESSIONALS THAT SIT THERE. 
          WILL THEY GOT THE SAME PHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON EDUCATION. 
          I WANT IT TO BE SPENT ON EDUCATION. 
          SO I WANT, I AM GONNA MEET WITH SUPERINTENDENT. 
          I AM GONNA FIND OUT WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING. 
          AND MY, MY WHOLE FOCUS IS THAT I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE OF THESE SCOS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST, I THOUGHT WE HAD RSOS IN THERE. 
          SO I'M, WHY? I'M, I'M A LITTLE, I'M A, I'M, I'M TIRED OF THIS. 
          I'M TIRED OF THIS. 
          ADD-ON. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN US, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY POSITION ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE NOT ALONE. 
          SO, SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, ARE YOUR COUNTY DEPUTIES CHARGED PRIMARILY, I BELIEVE FOR SCHOOL SAFETY AND FOR ENFORCING STATE CODE. 
          THEY ARE NOT CHARGED WITH SCHOOL DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THEY REPORT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          SSOS ARE GOING TO REPORT TO WHO? UM, THEY REPORT TO, I BELIEVE THERE'S KYLE HAHN WHO IS THE, THE SCHOOL SECURITY PERSON. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, UH, WHO? KYLE HA. 
          KYLE HAHN, WHO'S A FORMER DEPUTY HERE. 
          KYLE, FORMER CAPTAIN. 
          HE'S IN CHARGE OF ALL THAT. 
          SO, SO ARE THEY GONNA BE PART OF THE, THE, THE SCHOOL? THEY'RE PART OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          THEY'RE OF THE, THE SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          THEY'RE EMPLOYEES OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          SO THEY'RE BE EMPLOYEES OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION AS OPPOSED TO S SROS. 
          WHO ARE DEPUTIES WHO ARE DEPUTIES TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I I HAVE A, I HAVE A REALLY BIGGER QUESTION. 
          WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE SROS IN OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS? IT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE PLACE THAT DON'T, KIDS ARE SEX TRAFFICKED. 
          WE JUST DON'T FUND THEM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          WELL, THAT'S US. 
          WE DON'T FUND THEM. 
          I, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          TOM , YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T SPEND MONEY? THE ANSWER, THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          I'M SAYING SPENDING THE MONEY ON, ON SOMEBODY DOING A JOB. 
          I'M SAYING I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE SROS IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS MORE THAN WE NEEDED ELSEWHERE FOR THE SAFETY OF THESE CHILDREN. 
          I THINK THIS IS A SCHOOL BOARD AND SCHOOL. 
          THE SCHOOL DECISION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, I I THINK SO TOO. 
          I'M, I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'D LIKE TO PULL THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT BEFORE, BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT BACK. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM. 
          HE JUST LEFT TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M ALRIGHT WITH IT. 
          I'M JUST, DO WE HAVE, IS THERE A TIME ON THE GRANT? I, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A TIME LIMIT ON IT. 
          UM, IF, IF GILD MEET BEFORE AGAIN TO VOTE ON IT BEFORE THERE'S A TIME LIMIT TO ACCEPT THE GRANT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. 
          LET, SO LET'S CONSIDER THIS MR. CHAIR. 
          SO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THE GRANT FUNDING MENTIONED HERE COVERS THOSE FIVE EMPLOYEES. 
          FOUR, THERE'S FIVE EMPLOYEES. 
          YES, IT DOES. 
          FOR, FOR YEARS. 
          FOR FIVE, FOR THREE. 
          WELL, THE, IT'S A THREE YEAR GRANT. 
          THIS PARTICULAR, IT'S, IT'S A THREE YEAR RE YOU HAVE TO REAPPLY AND GET RE AWARDED. 
          BUT IT'S A THREE YEAR CONTINUATION OF A GRANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT HAVE TO APPLY FOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT, BUT THAT GRANT, THAT DOLLAR RIGHT THERE COVERS THE SALARY FOR THOSE FIVE. 
          FOR THOSE FIVE FOR ONE YEAR. 
          THERE IS A MATCH, BUT THE SCHOOL WILL PICK THAT UP. 
          IT'S A OKAY. 
          80. 
          I THINK IT'S 80,000. 
          I DON'T MIND GOING. 
          I, I MEAN THERE SOMEBODY ELSE PAYING FOR IT. 
          AVAILABLE WAIT MINUTE. 
          YOU JUST SAID HOW THE SCHOOL THERE IS A MATCH. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS A SLIGHT MATCH ON IT. 
          YES. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT? UM, I LEFT, I THINK IT'S 80,000. 
          IT'S 161,000. 
          87,000. 
          SO SCHOOL SYSTEM'S GONNA PAY 87,000 PER YEAR FOR YES. 
          THAT'S COMING OUT OF THEIR BUDGET. 
          YES. 
          THAT WE SUPPORT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S TWO THIRDS PAID BY THE GRANT. 
          ONE THIRD PAID BY THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          WELL, WE DON'T OKAY. 
          SCHOOL BUDGET. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE I WAS, WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS IF THAT 161,000 COVERED FULLY THE FIVE PEOPLE ANNUALLY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. 
          WE LOSE. 
          WE, WE PASS IT, BUT WE'RE ONLY PASSING THAT GRANT COVER, THAT GRANT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 
          THEN THAT THOSE RULES DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. 
          THEN WE MAY NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION ON HOW TO SOLVE IT. 
          BUT NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THERE ARE $87,000 FROM THE SCHOOL BUDGET, WHICH WE CONTRIBUTE TO SO THAT WE DO HAVE FUNDING SKIN IN THE GAME TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YES, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA MISS OUT $161,000 OF FUNDING 'CAUSE WE DEFER TOO LONG. 
          SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND RIGHT QUICK. 
          CAN WE DEFER ANOTHER TO ANOTHER MEETING OR WE'RE GONNA LOSE IT, OR I, UM, IF Y'ALL 
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CAN, I WE CAN, I CAN TRY TO FIND OUT. 
          I, I'D HAVE TO GET ONLINE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, COULD I SUGGEST A, A QUESTION THAT THE BOARD MIGHT WANT TO ASK MS. OWENS? AND THAT IS WHETHER THIS IS A PASS. 
          I MEAN, ARE THE COUNTY'S ROLE IN THIS IS LARGELY MINISTERIAL. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, SO WE'RE ACTING AS A CONDUIT FOR THE SCHOOL DIVISION, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          ONLY FOR THE GRANT PORTION OF IT. 
          IN THE END, WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE PASS THROUGH IS WHEN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE IT OUT OF OUR POCKETS TO PAY FOR THESE GUYS THAT DO WHATEVER THE HECK THEY'RE DOING THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS TO THE SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          BUT THE, THE, THE GRANT ITSELF, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY APPROPRIATE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY THEY APPROPRIATE GRANTS, IT COMES TO THE LOCALITY AND WHERE THE AGENTS FOR IT. 
          BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST, WE'RE REALLY JUST ACTING AS A CONDUIT FOR THE SCHOOL DIVISION. 
          AND WE'RE NOT REALLY, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ARE ACCEPTING IT AND DOING ALL THOSE THINGS AS A MATTER, YOU KNOW, AS A THING. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A, WHAT YOU'D CALL A LEGAL FICTION IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE REALLY JUST ACTING TO MEAN. 
          IS THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S THE, THE GRANT DOES NOT ALLOW SCHOOL DIVISIONS TO, UM, TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT? IT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LOCALITY THROUGH THE COUNTY. 
          NO. 
          SO WHAT'S THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION HERE? I I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I CAN, I CAN GO ALONG WITH THIS NOW, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, NEXT YEAR WHEN WE DO A SCHOOL BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD KNOW BY THEN WHETHER THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE IN THERE AS SSOS ARE, ARE ACTUALLY DOING STUFF THAT ARE NEEDED FOR EDUCATION AS OPPOSED TO BEING MALL COPS. 
          SO SHE SAID SHE COULD PROBABLY FIND OUT WHEN THIS GRANT CLOSES. 
          IS THAT NEED THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN FIND OUT HERE IN THE NEXT 15 MINUTES? MAYBE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO, I WOULD DEFER TO OUR SESSION WOULD CHECK JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY. 
          I, I THINK THE WHOLE THING IS YES, WE WE'RE A CONDU WE'RE PASSED THROUGH TO THE SCHOOL, BUT THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT THE MONEY. 
          THE THING THAT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS WHEN THAT MONEY RUNS OUT, OR AT THE END OF IT, ARE WE NOW THEN GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR MORE MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE OFFICERS THAT WE'VE PAID FOR BY THE GRANT? I THINK THESE POSITIONS ARE, ARE COMPLETELY UP TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THE GRANT FUNDING GOES AWAY AND THIS BOARD DECIDES, OR THE SCHOOL BOARD DECIDES NOT TO FUND IT, THEN THE POSITION GOES AWAY. 
          SO IF WE, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE'RE ONLY APPROVING IT, RIGHT. 
          FOR WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THAT'S ONLY GUARANTEED FOR ONE YEAR. 
          NEXT YEAR, THEY MAY NOT GET THE GRANT FUNDING. 
          THE BOARD MAY NOT DECIDE TO PROVIDE FUNDING. 
          THE SCHOOL BOARD MAY NOT, MAY NOT DECIDE FUNDING THE, AND THE JOBS GO AWAY. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS, STEVE, IS, IS THAT THIS GETS BURIED IN THE SCHOOL BUDGET. 
          NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT, AND IT WON'T HAPPEN FOR THREE YEARS, SUPPOSEDLY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW WE'VE HIRED, WE'VE ENDED UP HIRING FIREFIGHTERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          POLICE SOLVE GRANTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE SUFFOLK GRANT, WE, WE, WE TRY IT OUT, SEE IF IT WORKS, AND THEN WE GO IN AND, AND MAKE SUBSIDIZE THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          I CAN JUST, IT'S NOT AN EDUCATION FUND THING HERE. 
          THIS IS YES. 
          PASS THROUGH MONEY. 
          THE $87,000 IS COMING OUTTA THE SCHOOL BUDGET PORTION OF WHICH HAS GOT OUR MONEY IN IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, IN, IN TALKING WITH, UH, MR. BOWEN, I MEAN, HE SAID AT THE END OF THE GRANT, THEY ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, SEE HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE OR NOT. 
          YOU KNOW, I I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK WILL BE EFFECTIVE, THAT WILL HELP EDUCATION. 
          IT MAY NOT BE IN THE CLASSROOM, BUT WILL HELP. 
          BUT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA EVALUATE THAT AT THE END OF THE THREE YEARS. 
          I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF WE GOT AN EVALUATION AFTER IT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A YEAR AT LEAST TO LET US KNOW SO THAT IT, IT WE WILL NOT BE BLINDSIDED AGAIN. 
          IS IS THE WHOLE THING. 
          WHOLE ISSUE. 
          I WISH THEY HAD STAYED AROUND. 
          WE COULD'VE HEARD, COULD'VE HEARD FROM 'EM, BUT THEY DIDN'T. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, I'M SORRY. 
          OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WE PULL THIS AND WE REVIEW IT AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP TWO WEEKS TIME. 
          CAN WE PASS THIS? CAN WE PASS THIS? WE CAN PASS THIS THROUGH, UH, THROUGH A WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S ALREADY A CONSENT ITEM OUT. 
          SO, WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, RICHARD. 
          SO TWO WEEKS WE COULD PASS IT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          CAN WE PASS THIS AT A WORK SESSION? YES, YOU MAY. 
          SO LET'S GET US IN TWO WEEKS. 
          THEY GIVE US ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A JUDGMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR CONSENT. 
          ITEM SEVEN THROUGH 16, EXCLUDING 14. 
          AND WE'LL HAVE A VOTE ON THAT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO NUMBER 17. 
          BILL FOR IT. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          I LOST THE POLL HERE. 
          WHAT DO WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING ON 14? 
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14? WE ABSENT 14 AND 17. 
          1417. 
          THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO ADOPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS AMENDED WITH THE DELETION OF ITEM NUMBER 14 AND ITEM NUMBER 17. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          NOT DELETION OF 17. 
          WE'LL COME BACK AND REVIEW 17 SEPARATELY. 
          SEPARATE, BUT, BUT THAT MAKES IT NOT PART OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          SO SHE'S TALKING JUST THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          YEP. 
          MR. SHEPHERD. 
          YES. 
          WAIT A MINUTE, . 
          OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT 17. 
          WHY DON'T WE DO, WHY? OKAY. 
          WE'RE DOING A CONSIDER DO 17 SEPARATELY ON 17, UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          OH, WE GOTTA COME BACK. 
          WE GOTTA COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YES. 
          WHY DON'T THE HELL WILL WE JUST CONTINUE ON TALKING ABOUT IT? OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, EVERYTHING SEVENTEENS OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND 14. 
          14. 
          AND DELETE SAYS 14 AND 17. 
          YES. 
          MRS. NOLL. 
          YES. 
          MR. DREWRY. 
          YES. 
          MR. RONE. 
          YES. 
          MR. ROY? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          I'LL NOW COME BACK 
          [17. Referendum on Additional Local Option Sales and Use Tax for School Capital Projects. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R26-118 to initiate a referendum pursuant to Section 58.1-605.1 of the Code of Virginia as amended by the 2026 biennial budget of the Commonwealth of Virginia to authorize imposition of a local general retail sales tax not to exceed 1%, the proceeds of which tax would be to provide revenue solely for capital projects for new construction or major renovation of schools serving York County, including bond and loan financing costs related to such construction or renovation.]
TO REFER, UH, REFERENCE, UH, ITEM 17, THE REFERENDUM ON ADDITIONAL LOCAL OPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SALES AND USE TAX FOR SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LET ME, UM, LET ME JUMP IN ON THIS. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVER, DRIVER IS BEHIND THIS. 
          I'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS. 
          I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEIR COUNTY STAFF. 
          I'VE SPOKEN, SPOKEN WITH SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION. 
          I'VE SPOKEN WITH SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. 
          I, I KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S DOWN THAT PATH? WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH AS A, AS A COUNTY FOR EDUCATION WITH, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVER BEHIND IT. 
          AND THIS IS ALSO A VERY GOOD USE CASE FOR A PUBLIC REFERENDUM TO PUT IT FORTH TO THE PUBLIC TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? TWO THINGS THOUGH. 
          I'M HUNG UP ON ONE. 
          THE SPEED IS, OF WHICH WE'RE MOVING WITH THIS. 
          I MEAN, THE INK IS BARELY DRIED ON THE, ON, ON, ON ADOPTING THE LEGISLATION TO ALLOW THIS. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY YET TO EVEN LOOK AT, WELL, WHAT'S OPTION B? WHAT IS OPTION C IS I HAVE, UM, RESIDENTS AND CONSTITUENTS COME TO ME AND GO, WELL, WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO? WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. 
          I, I HAVE NOTHING TO SHARE WITH ANYBODY IF THEY COME TO ME AND GO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE REFERENDUM DOESN'T PASS? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY IDEA ON THAT. 
          UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, LAST NIGHT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM DELEGATE THORNTON ABOUT THE SUBSTANTIAL BUDGET, UH, INCREASE FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION THAT WAS PASSED AS PART OF THE STATE BUDGET. 
          SO I'M WONDERING, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE CAN GRAB SOME OF THAT? HAVE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH OUR DELEGATES IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO ADVOCATE FOR ON BEHALF OF YOUR COUNTY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO GO GET FUNDING FOR YEAR TO YEAR TO, TO ADDRESS THAT? WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS YET. 
          WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          AND WE'RE MOVING TOO QUICKLY ON THIS. 
          WE'RE NOT GIVEN THE PUBLIC, WE WON'T GIVE THE PUBLIC ENOUGH TIME TO DIGEST THE INS AND OUTS OF THIS BEFORE THEY WE'RE BEING ASKED. 
          GONNA ASK THEM TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS REFERENDUM THAT IS GONNA COME ON THE HEELS OF THREE OTHER MAJOR REFERENDUMS AT, AT THE STATE. 
          TWO AT LEAST. 
          THE TWO OF WHICH ARE GONNA BE STATE CONSTITUTION REFERENDUMS. THEY GOTTA DECIDE UPON. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THE FOCUS THIS YEAR BY AND LARGE IS, UM, FEDERAL. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE MOVING TOO FAST. 
          THE SECOND THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF THIS PASSES, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE, WE'RE ALREADY IN THE HIGHEST STATE TAX DISTRICT ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          WHAT, WHAT SALES TAX ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY IN THE HIGHEST AREA FOR THAT. 
          NOW WE BUMPED THIS TO 8%. 
          THAT $12 MILLION THAT WE ARE FORECASTING ANNUALLY FROM THIS MAY NOT MATERIALIZE BECAUSE AT 8%, PEOPLE ARE GONNA START MAKING SOME HARD CHOICES OF WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BUY THEIR BIGGER PURCHASES AT. 
          AND THEN I GONNA PURCHASE IN NEW YORK COUNTY. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN GO OVER A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY AND MAKE THOSE SAME PURCHASES ELSEWHERE TO SAVE THAT, THAT, THAT TAX DOLLARS, THE SALES TAX DOLLARS. 
          AND WE'LL NEVER SEE ANY OF THAT. 
          SO IT MAY NOT BE THE, THE, THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE THINK IT IS. 
          AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT BUSINESS MOVING OUT OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE PURCHASES AREN'T BEING MADE IN THE COUNTY COUNTY FOR THAT STUFF. 
          SO YES, I UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          YES, IT'S A GOOD USE CASE FOR PUBLIC REFERENDUM, BUT WE'RE MOVING TOO FAST ON THIS. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD PROPER DISCUSSION ON WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE. 
          CAN WE GET HELP FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ON, ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS IN FRONT OF PEOPLE AND GO, DO YOU WANT OPTION A OR DO YOU WANT OPTION A? AND THAT'S NOT A CHOICE. 
          AND WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE CHOICES. 
          THAT'S MY HANGUP ON, ON THIS. 
          NOW, CAN I ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOUR, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY IS YOUR COUNTY'S NOT THE HIGHEST SALES TAX IN VIRGINIA. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          UM, IT'S TRUE, SOMEWHAT. 
          AND THE REASON IT'S TRUE SOMEWHAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR SEVEN, 
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OUR, OUR SALES TAX IS SEVEN 7%. 
          OKAY? OF THAT 7%, 4.30 CENTS IS TAKEN BY THE STATE. 
          THAT'S NOT US. 
          IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US. 
          THAT'S THE 4.30 CENTS. 
          OKAY? THEN YOU GOT 0.7%, WHICH IS THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION THAT'S HELD, PAID FOR WIDENING OF, UH, 64, THE BRIDGE TUNNEL AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT COMES OUT OF US. 
          BUT IT'S KIND OF SPREAD OUT WITH ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          THEN YOU GOT THIS 1% TAX. 
          UM, THERE, YOU HAVE TO HELP ME ON THAT ONE. 
          THAT 1% IS, UH, UH, WHAT IS THAT? UH, THAT'S THE, UH, WELL'S, THE HISTORICAL ACTUAL SALES TAX, UH, LOCAL OPTIONS. 
          SO THAT WAS ADDED. 
          SO THAT'S TWO AND A HALF. 
          THAT'S TWO AND HALF THAT BE MAKE OUR TAX AT TWO POINT HALF PERCENT I BELIEVE. 
          AND THEN THERE IS THIS HISTORICAL TRIANGLE TAX. 
          OKAY? THAT, THAT 50% OF THAT GOES TO THE, THE TOURISM, UM, OUR TOURISM FUND. 
          AND 50% GOES TO THE MARKETING, THE TOURISM MARKETING UP IN WILLIAMSBURG, ISN'T IT? NO, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          IT GOES TO 50%. 
          OH, IT'S RETAINED BY THE STATE. 
          IT'S THE STATE. 
          SO THE STATE RETAINS THE OTHER HALF. 
          SO WHEN YOU GET THROUGH WITH THIS, WHAT DO WE GOT? MAYBE 3 CENTS OR TWO AND A HALF? MAYBE TWO AND A HALF. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU GOT THAT ONE, ONE AND A HALF. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL OUR SALES TAX IS. 
          ALL THIS OTHER CRAP'S BEEN BURIED? IT'S BEEN BURIED ON, ON ALL THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU THROW IN THE TOMMY TAX AND THE $2 ROOM TAX AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THE TOURISM HISTORICAL TRIANGLE ASPECTS OF IT AND THE TRANSPORTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE TAGGED US, UH, AS PART OF, UH, OF THIS TAX SCHEME. 
          BUT IN THE, IN THE END, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PAYING THAT BIG A TAX DOWN HERE ON THE, UH, FOR SALES TAX. 
          NOW, ALL THAT BEING SAID, UM, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER WE'RE MOVING FAST ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS A REFERENDUM FROM THE STATE. 
          I MEAN OPTION, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE US, WHAT LEEWAY DO WE HAVE ON IT DOESN'T GIVE US THAT, WELL, WE DON'T WANNA DO IT THIS YEAR. 
          WE CAN DO IT NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, I MEAN, OR IS THIS THING RUN OUT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT OPTIONS WOULD EVEN BE AVAILABLE FOR US IF WE DID IT. 
          SO I THINK EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW IS, AND I DID NOT MENTION IT EARLIER, THERE'S A 20 YEAR SUNSET ON THIS MM-HMM . 
          SO WE CAN DO IT NEXT YEAR AFTER WE STUDIED IT. 
          YOU COULD. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE DOWN TO 19 YEARS. 
          SO YOU LOST $12 MILLION. 
          I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT. 
          YOU COULD DECIDE THAT VISION. 
          SO THE POP, HERE'S THE, THE THING IS THAT, UM, THIS TO ME IS THIS GIVES CITIZENS A CHANCE TO GET INTO THE, THE DO LOOP, IF YOU WILL, ON OUR TAXES. 
          'CAUSE NEXT YEAR, NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE A TOUGH YEAR FOR US FINANCIALLY. 
          I MEAN, DO WE KNOW IT? WHERE WE, WE, WE, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA, THIS YEAR WE'RE GOTTA FINISH UP AND ADDRESS IT, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER, HOW WE'RE GONNA RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR ALL THESE, THESE PROJECTS TO ME, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SCHOOL PROJECTS, BUT WE STILL, WE GOT FIRE, FIRE, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRE STATIONS WE GOTTA DO AND ALL THAT. 
          AND IT'S THIS COURTHOUSE THING COURTHOUSE. 
          SO, SO YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN DECIDE ON THIS LATER, BUT THE, THE BUT PART OF THIS IS STILL, I DON'T KNOW, WOULD THIS COVER NEXT YEAR'S TAXES, BUT THIS COVER NEXT YEAR'S TAXES ON, ON, UH, SCHOOLS. 
          WE, WE WILL BE ABLE, IF IT WAS PASSED BY THE VOTERS IN DENVER AS WE'D BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IN JANUARY. 
          IS THAT, HOW LONG LONG WAS IT, TERESA? SO THERE'S, SEE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CONFUSION AT WHAT WE CAN EVEN DO HERE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED TO PICK A PARK YET. 
          SO, SO THROWING, SO THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE A DEC DECISION ON WHEN WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW OURSELVES. 
          AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBLE ANSWER TO DECIDE WHAT WE WERE GONNA GO. 
          AND THEN WE PUT OUT ALL THE INFORMATION AND, AND YOU HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN IT. 
          SO I, I JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I DON'T, I I, I THINK WE GOT A PROBLEM IN, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE THAT DAMN, UH, STATEWIDE REFERENDUM ON THE DISTRICTING IS HURRY UP, DO IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. 
          THAT'S, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT IDEA, BUT I DON'T THINK SIR, EITHER. 
          BUT THE POINT IS THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER NEXT YEAR, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS MONEY, WE GOTTA HAVE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ALL THESE SCHOOL AND, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO. 
          SO THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS NOW TO PITCH IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY DELAY? CAN WE NOT DELAY ANOTHER MONTH ON THIS AND MAKE, STILL MAKE THE MAY I NO, PLEASE. 
          [02:25:01]
MAY I ADDRESS. 
          SO THE TIME CONSTRAINTS ARE, IF WE WANT THIS TO BE ON THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER, THIS BOARD HAS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE LAST OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BOARD TO MAKE THAT REQUEST. 
          'CAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO PETITION THE CIRCUIT COURT. 
          THE CIRCUIT COURT APPROVES THE BALLOT, AND THEN IT GOES BEFORE THE VOTERS NOVEMBER. 
          THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT. 
          WE NEED, HOW MANY WEEKS DO WE NEED HERE TO DO, GET MORE INFORMATION? THERE'S, THERE'S NO, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, MR. MR, BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DO IT THIS YEAR TO ANSWER YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION THERE. 
          THE ONLY CONSTRAINT ON THAT IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND. 
          UM, AND WHO KNOWS WHETHER THEY'LL CONTINUE TO AUTHORIZE THESE REFERENDA, WHAT FORM THEY'LL LOOK LIKE. 
          THEY, THEY, IT MAY REMAIN IN PLACE PERMANENTLY. 
          AND THE 20 YEAR PERIOD THAT MR. BELLAMY REFERRED TO IS TRIGGERED BY THE DATE THAT THE BOARD PASSES THE RESOLUTION. 
          SO IF THE BOARD, FOR INSTANCE, OPTED NEXT YEAR TO DO IT, IT WOULD BE 20 YEARS FROM THAT DATE. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, 20 FROM THAT DATE NEXT YEAR, YES. 
          BUT, BUT YOU ARE LOSING, YOU DO LOSE A YEAR IN THE IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE ONCE YOU, ONCE THE BOARD APPROVES THE REFEREN, THE AUTHORIZING, THE REQUESTING THE REFERENDUM, IF THE VOTERS APPROVE IT, THEN YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE IT GO INTO EFFECT FOR 120 DAYS AFTER YOU PASSED THE ORDINANCE. 
          ORDINANCE AFTER YOU PASSED THE ORDINANCE. 
          THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO, SO THE TIMING WOULD BE IF THE BOARD WERE TO REQUEST IT, AND IT WENT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER, ONCE THOSE RESULTS WERE CERTIFIED, THE EARLIEST YOU COULD PASS AN ORDINANCE WOULD BE FEBRUARY, DECEMBER, OR JANUARY PROBABLY AT THE, YOU KNOW, AT LIGHTNING SPEED. 
          AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT 120 DAYS AFTER THAT BEFORE IT COULD ACTUALLY GO INTO EFFECT. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD BE BE LOOKING AT THE, IF WE WANTED, IF WE WANTED TO GO INTO THE NEXT BUDGET, IF YOU WANTED IT TO BE IN, IN THAT, THE EARLIEST, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT THAT TAX GOING INTO EFFECT IF YOU HAD THE REFERENDUM THIS FALL IS APRIL. 
          APRIL. 
          YEAH, APRIL. 
          BUT GO TO STEVE'S POINT. 
          UM, LET'S SAY WE SAY WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE TIMELINE SO MUCH. 
          AND WHAT WE WORRY ABOUT IS WHETHER THE CONSTITUENCY OUT HERE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON, INCLUDING US. 
          SO THAT WE JUST SAY, OKAY, LET'S PROVE IT. 
          MAYBE THEN BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY. 
          WE COULD DO IT ANY TIME IN THERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT IF THE VOTERS APPROVED IT, THAT YOU HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE. 
          YOU COULD DECIDE YOU DON'T WANT TO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE GOT, I I AND YOU COULD ALSO WAIT TO DO IT FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AS WELL. 
          I KNOW STAFF WOULD BE UPSET WITH THIS BECAUSE IT, IT TAKES MONEY OFF THE TABLE. 
          BUT THE POINT HERE IS I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL WE'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST BECAUSE WE, WE GOT THIS GOLDEN APPLE HANK DANGLING OFF THE TREE, DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO GO TAKE A BITE OUT OF IT. 
          RIGHT? I DIDN'T CALL IT GOLDEN . 
          IT'S AN APPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, UH, MONEY GROWS ON TREES, DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? SO ANYWAY, UH, SO I I I WOULD THINK I AGREE WITH STEVE IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN PROVE IT ANY TIME WE WANNA BRING IT UP, RIGHT? WE DON'T, IT JUST WON'T BE ON THE REFER, IT WON'T BE ON THE VOTE UNTIL NEXT. 
          I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WITH ALL GOING ON. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE WERE TO VOTE FOR THE REFERENDUM TONIGHT AND THE REFERENDUM IS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS IN NOVEMBER, THE ACTION TO IMPLEMENT THE 1% TAX IS UP TO THE BOARD WHEN THEY WISH TO WISH TO DO THAT. 
          CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          THE BOARD, YOU, YOU COULD WAIT, SO THEY COULD PASS THE, IT COULD GET PASSED BY THE VOTERS AND WE DECIDE NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT FOR TWO YEARS. 
          I, I, I SEE NOTHING IN THE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT. 
          BUT IF IT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO, SO THIS IS THE TAX, IS THIS A, THIS IS A PAPER THING? WELL, CITIZENS SAID THEY WANT IT, THEN I WOULD THINK WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO. 
          YOU CAN'T SIT ON, DON'T YOU THINK THAT WE WOULD'VE THE INFORMATION TO THE CITIZENS BEFORE NOVEMBER? WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE SITUATION WILL BE AT THAT TIME. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE OP YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER APPROVE IT RIGHT AWAY OR RECENT. 
          SO WAIT, SO, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, HOW'S THIS GONNA AFFECT OUR, UH, NEXT YEAR? I AM NOT PLANNING ON SPENDING MONEY THAT I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER WE'LL GET OR NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'D BE BETTER OFF TO BUY A LOTTERY TICKET. 
          , RIGHT? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WHAT'S THE RUSH? SO WHAT'S THE RUSH? 
          [02:30:01]
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING FOR FISCAL YEAR 28. 
          THE EARLIEST, IF THE TAX WENT INTO EFFECT IN APRIL, IT WOULD BE ON THE BOOKS IN AVAILABLE FOR THE ENTIRETY OF FISCAL YEAR 28TH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          THE BUDGET THAT THE NEXT BUDGET THAT'S GONNA BE APPROVED. 
          BUT I MEAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE GOT A 50 50 CHANCE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH OR IT'S NOT GONNA GO THROUGH. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T DEPEND ON, BUT BY THE SAME TIME, WE STILL HAVE THE EXPENSES. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE ANYWAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM FOR THE NEXT 24 50 YEARS. 
          SO WHAT, RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. 
          I GUESS WHAT I SAID EARLIER THOUGH IS, IS WHERE I STILL COME ACROSS, CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          SURE. 
          SO ME PUTTING FORTH A, A REFERENDUM, IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE REFERENDUM, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO VOTE IT DOWN. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S CITIZEN'S CHOICE. 
          I THINK THIS HAS BEEN THROWN AT US AS AN UNOFFENDED MANDATE. 
          I'VE SAID THAT EARLIER, BUT I'LL, I'LL DEFEND THE CITIZEN'S RIGHT. 
          TO BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. 
          ARE WE DE BUT ARE WE DENYING THEM THE RIGHT, ANYBODY JUST SAYING WE WANT GET MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL WE'RE DOING. 
          YES. 
          BECAUSE YOU'VE MISSED THE CUT POINT FOR GETTING IT ON THE REFERENDUM IN NOVEMBER. 
          IF WE WANT, IF WE WANT TO PUT THE MONEY IN FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          REGARDLESS OF MONEY NEXT YEAR. 
          GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS AUTHORIZED YOU TO HAVE A REFERENDUM THIS YEAR ON THAT QUESTION. 
          THEY HAVEN'T NECESSARILY EXTENDED IT BEYOND THIS YEAR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE POINT THAT AS, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, THAT THERE'S STILL DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY THE BOARD IF THE, IF THE REFERENDUM IS AUTHORIZED, YOU, YOU, IT'S NOT MANDATED THAT IT BE 1%. 
          IT COULD BE LESS THAN THAT. 
          UH, WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT, ALL THOSE WHETHER GOES INTO EFFECT AT ALL, EVEN AFTER THE, A REFERENDUM APPROVAL IS STILL DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD WOULD HAVE TO MAKE. 
          SO, SO WE THROUGH ORDINANCE, SO WE'RE ASKING THE CITIZENS THEN, OKAY, YOU WANT A 1% MAX, RIGHT? I THINK ONE YOU SAID 2% OR SOMETHING HIGHER, BUT ONE, ONE, I THOUGHT IT WAS 1%. 
          1% MAX. 
          1% OR LESS. 
          WHAT IS IT? 1% OR LESS. 
          OKAY. 
          1% OR LESS. 
          SO WE DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT TO TAX YOURSELF AT 1% ON SALES TAX? THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE CITIZENS TO DO. 
          BUT THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION RIGHT THERE TOO. 
          MR. ROWAN, MR. SHEPHERD, ARE YOU GONNA DO IT AT ONE 1% A HALF PERCENT, THREE QUARTER PERCENT? WE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED THAT YET. 
          WE JUST SET UP TO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO YET. 
          WELL, WE CAN SAY AND HOW, AND I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM MY CONSTITUENTS WHEN THEY'RE GONNA COME TO ME AND ASK ME THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WELL, YOU PUT IT IN A, YOU PUT IT IN YOUR REFERENDUM THAT WHEN THEY DI WOULDN'T WE SPECIFY YOUR FERENCE? YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA COME TO ME AND GO, WELL, LISTEN, IF, IF I VOTE YES ON THIS, ARE YOU GONNA ADD A SENT TO THIS OR HALF A CENT OR THREE QUARTER? I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE JUST SET UP TO, AND THEN THIS GOES BACK TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AFTERWARDS. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S JUST, AND GOING BACK TO YOUR EXAMPLE WITH THE, UM, RE REFERENDUM, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT ON, ON UNKNOWN THERE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE JUST ASKED TO DECIDE SOMETHING. 
          I I I, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SAID, DOUG, IS, IS CORRECT. 
          I THINK IT, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PUT BEFORE THE CITIZENS AND LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. 
          BUT WE NEED TO PUT, ALL WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS REALLY DECIDE THAT WE WILL PUT IT BEFORE THE CITIZENS ON A REFERENDUM. 
          BUT IF CITIZENS NEED GOOD INFORMATION TO MAKE THE DECISION, YES. 
          WELL, BETWEEN, NO, TODAY, TODAY WE VOTE FOR A REFERENDUM THAT, AND WE, THERE'S A, A, A LITTLE PUBLICITY ACTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IS TO LAY OUT ALL THE, THE PROS. 
          THE PROS AND THE CONS OF IT, UH, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WOULD BE AND SO FORTH BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GO TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER. 
          WE DO ALL THAT THREE MONTHS. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT THIS TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          WHEN DO THEY START VOTING? SEPTEMBER. 
          TWO MONTHS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO TWO MONTHS OUT, YOU GOT TWO. 
          YOU GOT TWO MONTHS TO DO ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S TOO TIGHT TO BE, TO BE RESPONSIBLE. 
          I DON'T THINK I SAID TOO TIGHT. 
          YES. 
          WELL, THERE'S ALSO THAT, UH, YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT PART OF IT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOW GONNA HAVE TOURISTS HELP PAYING FOR THE SCHOOL TAX. 
          MM-HMM . 
          PAYING FOR THE MONEY ON THIS TAX. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WE DON'T HAVE. 
          IF WE HAVE TO DO A REAL ESTATE TAX, YOU DO A REAL ESTATE TAX TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS. 
          EVERYBODY WHO HAS REAL ESTATE IN YOUR COUNTY, OR IF YOU DO A SALES, YEAH, IT WOULD BASICALLY PAY FOR THE SCHOOLS. 
          IF WE DO THIS, THE OTHER OPTION IS THAT'S THE TOURISM WILL PAY PROBABLY WHAT, ABOUT 30% OR SO OF THE TAX. 
          SO, I MEAN, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS ISN'T THE POTENTIAL RIGHT. 
          PATH FORWARD, BUT I DON'T, THIS IS NOT THAT THERE, THERE'S STILL MUCH TO DECIDE AND DISCUSS AND SETTLE BEFORE 
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WE PUT THIS IN FRONT OF PEOPLE TO ASK THEM, MAKE A DECISION. 
          IF I'M ON THE OTHER END OF THIS, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE GOING TO THE BOOTH GOING, I, I I GOTTA VOTE YES OR NO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WANNA VOTE YES OR NO ON WHAT ABOUT THIS? THEY PAY SALE TAX. 
          THEY GOT WHAT? THEY PAY SALE TAX. 
          THEY HAVE TO PAY SALE TAX. 
          THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          WELL, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I NOW WHO KNOWS? DAMN, IF YOU DO, AND DAMN IF YOU DON'T, I CAN. 
          NO, I THINK WE'VE, UH, DEBATED IT ENOUGH. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE IT TO A RESOLUTION AND A VOTE. 
          I THINK WE DO TOO. 
          I THINK WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE ORDER. 
          THIS GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO PUT THEIR ORE IN THE WATER. 
          IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY DON'T LIKE IT. 
          IF THEY LIKE IT, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT WE DON'T, WE CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT. 
          IT'S RESOLUTION NUMBER SEVEN. 
          CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          ITEM NUMBER 17. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT? 20 R 26 DASH ONE 15? UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE 18. 
          R 26 DASH ONE 18. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE ON THIS ONE? OKAY, NUMBER OH, 17. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT IS R 26 DASH 1 18 1. 
          YEAH. 
          R 26 DASH ONE 18. 
          I MOVE JUST TO GET US OFF THE SUBJECT. 
          , DID YOU MOVE? MR. SHEPHERD HAS MOVE R 26 18 1 18. 
          THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION. 
          R 26 1 18 AS SUBMITTED. 
          MRS. NOLL? YES. 
          MR. DRURY? YES. 
          MR. RONE? NO. 
          MR. SHEPHERD. 
          YES. 
          MR. HORO? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          I JUST THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS MUCH INFORMATION OUT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER MARK. 
          YES, VERY DEFINITELY. 
          MARK. 
          WELL, WE GOT THE, WE GOT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE EASY TO ANSWER. 
          WE JUST GOTTA GET IT TOGETHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ONE INFORMATION TO PUT OUT THERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE, I'M SAYING WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA GET THAT INFORMATION RIGHT. 
          THERE IS NO, UH, ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A CLOSED MEETING. 
          I THINK MARK WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          MR. SHEPHERD, CAN YOU TAKE US INTO CLOSED SESSION? MARK VALMY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          CAN WE GET SOMETHING FROM, DO YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESS? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          HE WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE REFERENDUM. 
          I COULD SAY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY LATER. 
          YOU'LL BE FINE. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, CLOSED MEETING. 
          UH, MOTION. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING PERFORMANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO, UH, INVESTING OF PUBLIC FUNDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11, A SIX OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING, DISCUSS THE INVESTING OF PUBLIC FUNDS WHERE COMPETITION OR BARGAINING IS INVOLVED. 
          ALSO ADDRESSING LEGAL MATTERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11, A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, CONSULTANTS, AND OR STAFF ON A MATTER OF PROBABLE LITIGATION IN WHICH THE COUNTY MAY BECOME INVOLVED. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MR. DRURY? YES. 
          MR. ROH? YES. 
          MR. SHEPHERD? YES. 
          MRS. NOLL? YES. 
          MR. ROY? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          UH, ANNOUNCE THE NEXT MEETING OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE HELD 6:00 PM AUGUST 4TH, 2026 IN THE EAST ROOM OF YOUR CALL. 
          WITH THAT, WE STAND ADJOURNED.
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