[A. Call to Order ]
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I'LL CALL THE JULY 8TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE PLANNING, UH, HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISE THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL OUR MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
[B. Roll Call]
MR. CHAMBERLAIN.[C. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America ]
FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR RICHARD ST.
ONE NATION ON THE BEHALF INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[D. Approval of Minutes]
IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? MR. CHAIR? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THE MOTION BY MR. WESTMORE IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 10TH, 2026.
[E.2. Election of Officers for FY 2026-2027 – Sheree Konstantinou, Deputy County Attorney, presiding • Chair • Vice Chair ]
IS THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS.WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARE UP THIS EVENING FOR AN ELECTION OF AN INCOMING CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR THIS COMMISSION TO SERVE DURING FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027.
ON BEHALF OF STAFF AND THE ENTIRE COUNTY, I HUMBLY THANK MR. CHAMBERLAIN AND MR. BROOKS FOR THEIR SERVICE OVER THE PAST YEAR.
AND AT THIS TIME, I ASK IF THERE ARE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE OFFICE OF CHAIR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR YORK COUNTY.
I'LL NOMINATE MR. BROOKS FOR CHAIR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE MEMBERS OR ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
THE MOTION BY THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO NOT NOMINATE MR. BROOKS AS CHAIR OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
IS THERE A NOMINATION FOR THE OFFICE OF VICE CHAIR TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE COUNTY OF YORK? I NOMINATE, UH, JP SMITH FOR VICE CHAIR.
ANY DISCUSSION DESIRED OR ANY FURTHER NOMINATIONS BY THIS COMMISSION? THERE BEING NONE.
THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO, NO, MR. SMITH AS VICE CHAIR OF THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU MR. SMITH FOR YOUR UPCOMING SERVICE, AND I WILL DEFER TO CHAIRMAN FOR THE NEXT PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
[F. Citizens' Comment Period]
NOW WE'RE OPEN FOR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.ANYONE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY NOT REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT.
WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE SISTER, AND NOW WE'LL
[G.3. Application No. PD-60-26, EAH LLC: Request to amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying an approximately 13.2-acre portion of a 32-acre parcel (GPIN H13b-3278-4775) located at 200 Water Country Parkway (Route 640) from EO (Economic Opportunity) to PDMU (Planned Development Mixed Use), subject to voluntarily proffered conditions. According to the applicant’s narrative, the proposed project – Marquis Crossing – is projected upon completion to have a maximum of 125 townhouse units, a 3.5-acre site for convenience, gas, and/or food use at the corner of Marquis Center Parkway (Route 199) and Water Country Parkway, and two commercial outparcels along Marquis Center Parkway. The subject parcels are designated Economic Opportunity in the Comprehensive Plan. ]
HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WITH STAFF.[00:05:07]
OKAY.SO, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO REZONE A PORTION OF 200 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.
THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE A 22 ACRE PORTION OF A 32 ACRE PARCEL, LOCATED AT 200 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, FROM CONDITIONAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MIXED USE SUBJECT TO VOLUNTARY PROFFERED CONDITIONS.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS DESIGNATED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES WATER COUNTRY, USA AND THE MARQUEES SHOPPING, UH, UH, CENTER, UH, TO THE EAST WYNDHAM GARDEN HOTEL AND ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT TO THE SOUTH AND WHITAKER'S MILL PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND MISCELLANEOUS INDUSTRIAL USES ACROSS PENMAN ROAD AND CHEETAH MANX RAIL SPUR TO THE WEST.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT, MARQUES CROSSING IS PROJECTED UPON COMPLETION TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 125 TOWNHOUSE UNITS, A CONVENIENCE GAS AND FA UH, AND FOOD USE, AND TWO ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS.
SO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN ZONED EO SINCE 1995 AND DESIGNATED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE 1991.
A MIXED USE OVERLAY WAS APPLIED FROM 2013 UNTIL IT WAS RE REMOVED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2023.
IN 2014, THE 32 ACRE PARCEL WAS REZONED FROM EO TO CONDITIONAL EO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ADJACENT WHITAKER'S MILL DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROFFERS INCLUDED PREPARING TWO COMMERCIAL PAD SITES AND DEDICATING RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PLANNED WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT.
IN 2017, THE BOARD APPROVED A PROFFER AMENDMENT AT THE REQUEST OF WHITAKER'S MILL OF THE WHITAKER'S MILL DEVELOPER TO REQUIRE $150,000 TO BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COUNTY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT.
IN LIEU OF PREPARING THE COMMERCIAL PAD SITES, THE WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY REALIGNMENT PROJECT WAS LATER CANCELED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THE DESIGN HAD TO BE CHANGED TO MEET BDOT CONCERNS.
IN FEBRUARY, 2024, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED AN APPLICATION TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM EO TO PDMU TO ALLOW 314 LUXURY APARTMENTS, THREE AND A HALF ACRES OF CONVENIENCE, GAS AND FOOD USES, AND 15 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL AFTER WHICH THE APPLICANTS REQUESTED AN INDE INDEFINITE DEFERRAL.
AND UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CODE, THE APPLICATION EXPIRED ONE YEAR LATER.
SO DURING THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION ON THE PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE OF THIS PROPERTY.
IN PARTICULAR, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS BEING POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WITH A CAVEAT THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE MARQUES.
IN MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE STEERING COMMITTEE'S PRINCIPLE CONCERN WAS NOT TO PROMOTE ANY MORE PURELY RESIDENTIAL REZONINGS, SUCH AS WHITAKER'S MILL IN THIS AREA.
SO LET'S TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
LAND BAY BA 13.2 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED WITH 125 3 STORY TOWN HOME UNITS, A POCKET PARK, AND A COMMUNITY GREEN, AND INCLUDING A STORM WATER RETENTION POND, LAND BAY, A A 3.3 ACRE SITE WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR A SHEETS CONVENIENCE STORE, GAS STATION, AND FOOD USE.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROFFERED THAT A SITE PLAN WILL BE APPROVED AND A FOUNDATION POURED FOR A COMMERCIAL USE IN LAND BAYS A OR C PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF MORE THAN 80 FINAL CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR TOWN HOME UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
LAND BASE C, WHICH IS 5.4 ACRES, IS PLANNED FOR FUTURE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET DESIGNATED FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.
THE SKETCH PLAN IS ILLUSTRATIVE ONLY, AND THE FINAL MIX OF USES WILL DEPEND ON MARKET DEMAND.
THE REMAINING 10 ACRES WOULD, UH, REMAIN CONDITIONAL EO WITH NO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
THE PDMU DISTRICT GUIDELINES, OR THE PDMU DISTRICT INCLUDES GUIDELINES, NOT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH THE BOARD MAY MODIFY DURING REZONING BECAUSE MARQUES CROSSING ENCOMPASSES LESS THAN 50 ACRES.
IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR PDMU AND IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES.
THE GUIDELINES FOR, UH, THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT RECOMMEND AT LEAST 1000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE WITH 8.7 ACRES DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
THE GUIDELINE IS APPROXIMATELY 8,700 SQUARE FEET.
THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 10,150 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
GUIDELINES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT INCLUDE A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 10 DWELLING UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
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THIS PROPOSAL INCLUDES 125 UNITS ON 13.2 ACRES, MEETING THE 10 ACRE OF THE 10 UNIT PER ACRE GUIDELINE.THE GUIDELINES ALSO CALL FOR AT LEAST 40% OF DWELLING UNITS TO BE LOCATED ABOVE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USES.
THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS TYPE OF BUILDING, UH, REFLECTING LIMITED LOCAL MARKET DEMAND FOR SUCH DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPOSED DENSITY OR AT THE PROPOSED DENSITY.
PDMU REGULATIONS REQUIRE 10% OF THE GROSS SITE AREA TO BE RESERVED AS OPEN SPACE, PREFERABLY IN CENTRAL AREAS THAT SERVE AS COM COMMUNITY FOCAL POINTS.
MUCH OF THE RESERVED OPEN SPACE IS QUI IS LOCATED IN REQUIRED LANDSCAPE YARDS AND BUFFERS, INCLUDING A 45 FOOT GREEN BELT ALONG MARQUEE CENTER PARKWAY, A 35 FOOT BUFFER ALONG WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, AND A 20 FOOT STEPBACK ALONG PENMAN ROAD.
THE 22 ACRE SITE REQUIRES 2.2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE, AND THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES 2.7 ACRES, INCLUDING A 2.4 ACRE COMMUNITY GREEN AND A A 0.3 ACRE POCKET PARK.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE COMMUNITY GREEN WOULD INCLUDE BENCHES, WALKING PATHS, AND A HISTORICAL INTERPRETIVE DISPLAY.
PDMU STANDARDS REQUIRE SHARED RECREATION AREAS AND ENCOURAGE WALKABLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL USES ARE PRIMARILY AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED, THE PLAN INCLUDES SIDEWALKS CONNECTING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES A BIKE LANE CONNECTION TO A POSSIBLE FUTURE BIKE LANE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
PDMU STANDARDS REQUIRE HIGH QUALITY COHESIVE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND SIGNAGE GUIDELINES THAT PROVIDE CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS THROUGH SHARED MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS.
THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE ARE ACCEPTABLE, BUT DO NOT STIPULATE THE SIZE OR HEIGHT OF THE, OF SIGNAGE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WOULD LIMIT SIGNAGE TO GROUND MOUNTED MONUMENTS NO LARGER THAN 32 SQUARE FEET AND 10 FEET IN HEIGHT.
PDMU REGULATIONS REQUIRE AN APPROVED PHASING PLAN TO ENSURE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS ARE DEVELOPED.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED CONSTRUCTING THE TOWN HOMES AND PREPARING A 3.3 ACRE PAD READY COMMERCIAL SITE POSSIBLY FOR SHEETS AND, UH, MOST PROFFERED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING REZONING AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMERCIAL PAD SITES AND LAND BASE C WILL OCCUR AS TENANTS ARE SECURED.
THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR TIA ESTIMATES THAT THE FULLY BUILT PROJECT WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 8,510 DAILY TRIPS.
STAFF SUBMITTED THE APPLICANT'S TIA TO VDOT FOR REVIEW.
BASED ON THE APPROVED ANALYSIS, THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENTS ARE RECOMMENDED.
THEY PLAN TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 1 99 AND MARQUEE PARKWAY AT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE OF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.
ACROSS FROM THE WYNDHAM HOTEL ENTRANCE, A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED, A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SITE.
UH, ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED OFF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.
THE FINAL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT IS TO EXTEND THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT THE INTERSECTION OF MARQUEE CENTER PARKWAY AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY THROUGH ROUTE 1 99 ACCESS ROAD.
THE ENTRANCE FROM WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY INTO LAND BAY A AND AN EXTENSION OF THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE AT 1 99 AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY MUST BE COMPLETED BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED FOR LAND BAY A THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE, NOT TOO FAR, THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE FROM THE, UH, FROM WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR LAND BAY B.
SO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE 47 PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS.
WHILE THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT ADDITIONAL ENROLLMENT IN SCHOOLS THAT ARE, UH, CURRENTLY NEAR OR AT CAPACITY, PARTICULARLY MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY, THE APPLICANTS NOTE THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED UNTIL 2030 WHEN ACCORDING TO THE MOST CURRENT DATA PUBLISHED BY THE SCHOOL DIVISION, ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS INDICATES SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AT THE AFFECTED SCHOOLS.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA PERMITS LOCALITIES TO ACCEPT CASH PROFFERS TO FUND SCHOOL UPGRADES OR NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION REQUIRED AS A RESULT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT'S CONTEND THAT A SCHOOL CASH PROFFER IS NOT WARRANTED BECAUSE ENROLLMENT PROJECTIONS SHOW ADEQUATE CAPACITY AT PROJECT BUILD OUT.
ALTHOUGH THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEVELOPMENT MAY CREATE A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL SPECIAL NEEDS BUS, THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE ZONING ORDINANCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PROVIDING 308 SPACES FOR THE TOWN HOMES, INCLUDING VISITOR PARKING.
PARKING IS ALSO SHOWN FOR THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, AND A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRES ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES TO MEET APPLICABLE PARKING STANDARDS.
THE APPLICANT'S FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS
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ESTIMATES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE COUNTY OPERATING COSTS BY $1,475 PER HOUSEHOLD AND, UH, $925 PER BUSINESS.WHILE EACH HOUSEHOLD WOULD INCREASE SCHOOL COSTS BY $1,160.
HOWEVER, IT WILL ALSO GENERATE REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY, SALES AND MEALS TAX REVENUE.
THE ANALYSIS PROJECTS APPROXIMATELY $410,000 IN ANNUAL REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, WHICH IT CONCLUDES WOULD EXCEED THE ESTIMATED GENERAL GOVERNMENT AND SCHOOL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE PDMU DISTRICT BY PROVIDING A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, OPEN SPACE, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, AND ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
IT COMPLIES WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY GUIDELINE AND EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM COMMERCIAL FLOOR AREA GUIDELINE.
THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS WHETHER THE PROPOSED LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.
SO THE COMMERCIAL, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES MIXED GUIDANCE SUGGESTING THAT THE PROPERTY'S SUITABILITY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHILE STATING THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COULD, UM, SHOULD OCCUR ONLY AS PART OF AN OVERALL MIXED USE STRATEGY FOR THE MARQUEE NORTH PO POD, WHICH IS COMMERCIAL.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT EMPHASIZES THAT IT SHOULD INCLUDE A GENUINE COMMITMENT TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHALLENGES OF ACHIEVING THIS BALANCE GIVEN THE CURRENT MARKET DEMAND IS GREATER FOR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING THAN IT IS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE FUTURE, THAT FUTURE MIXED USE PROPOSALS RECEIVE CAREFUL SCRUTINY TO ENSURE THEY CREATE COHESIVE, WALKABLE COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.
RELEVANT CONSIDERATIONS IN EVALUATING THIS APPLICATION INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING.
THE COUNTY HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF EO ZONED LAND RELATIVE TO DEMAND.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSAL WOULD CONVERT 13.2 ACRES TO RESIDENTIAL USE, 19 ACRES WOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND SUBSTANTIAL VACANT COMMERCIAL LAND EXISTS NEARBY.
THE MARQUES CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE DUE TO THE LACK OF FOOD USES AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL, UH, DENSITY.
APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD INCREASE NEARBY HOUSING, UH, UNITS AND LIKELY ADD AT LEAST ONE FOOD USE, HELPING SUPPORT EXISTING AND FUTURE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
WHILE THE APPLICATION HAS SEVERAL POSITIVE FEATURES, INCLUDING POTENTIAL FISCAL BENEFITS AND A COMMITMENT TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT STAFF FIND IT INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S GUIDANCE, THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BUT AS PREPARED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 26 DASH 17, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UM, SOME, A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO LETTERS WERE SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THREE SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY, AND TWO ADVERTISEMENTS WERE PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY PRESS.
STAFF RECEIVED ONE EMAIL FROM A CITIZEN REGARDING THIS APPLICATION, WHICH WAS FORWARDED TO YOU ALL ON MONDAY.
THE CITIZEN REQUESTED YOU VOTE NO ARGUING THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
SHE RAISED CONCERNS REGARDING, UH, INCREASED TRAFFIC AND LIMITED SIGHT LINE DISTANCE ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
DO I START ON THIS END, TOM? OKAY.
I'VE GOT, UM, SEVERAL AND, AND YOU CAN DEFER TO THE APPLICANT IF YOU WANT TO.
SO WHAT STREETS ARE GONNA BE VDOT AND WHAT STREETS ARE OWNED BY THE HOA.
SO SOME OF THE STREETS ARE PRIVATE.
UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY MARKED ON HERE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THIS, UH, THE ONE THAT'S AT THE TOP.
UH, THESE ONES BELOW IT AROUND LAND BAY B, UH, OR WHERE IT SAYS THAT IS, UM, ARE PRIVATE STREETS.
AND I BELIEVE THIS ONE COMING DOWN ONTO ROUTE 1 99 IS ALSO PUBLIC, BUT WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO BE SURE.
AND THE, AND THE PRIVATE STREETS ARE 26 FEET WIDE.
AND THE PUBLIC STREETS ARE 50 FEET RIGHT AWAY? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT ROUGHLY A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OF STREETS THAT THIS 125 UNIT GROUP IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEN.
UM, AND THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW SETBACK IS MEASURED? IT GENERALLY FROM THE BUILDING TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE? YEAH.
UM, FROM THE BUILDING TO THE, UH, EDGE OF THE STREET, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN THERE, WE DO HAVE ALLOWANCES IN THE ORDINANCE FOR LIKE, EAVES TO GO INTO THE SETBACK SOMETIMES, OR YOU CAN HAVE A STOOP, UH,
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BUT NOTHING WITH A ROOF USUALLY.AND THEN THE, UM, I SAW THE SIDEWALKS YOU TALKED TO THAT THE, AND PROBABLY IT'S BEST FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GETTING THE, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS THAT, THAT THEY'RE CLAIMING TO HAVE.
THE MATH DOESN'T WORK TO ME, SO, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT FOR STAFF.
I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR A FEW MINUTES.
JEFF, NICHOLAS, I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, STAFF REAL QUICK, UH, VDOT HAS THAT APPLICATION APPROVAL COME THROUGH? YES.
SO IT APPROVED PROBABLY YESTERDAY OR TODAY? YESTERDAY.
UM, THE, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE CRITERIA THAT WE DECIDE HOW WE DECIDED TO IDENTIFY THIS AS A MINOR, UH, MIXED USE AND KIND OF IN REGARDS TO THE DECISION THAT WE MADE TO, UM, REFER TO ONLY THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT WHEN REFERRING TO THE REZONING AS OPPOSED TO THE ENTIRE LOT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE CALCULATION FOR THE, LIKE 10,000 SQUARE FEET AS OPPOSED TO 22,000 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.
SO IF WE HAD, UM, INCLUDED THE ENTIRE LOT, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, UH, BUILD A LOT MORE, UM, HOUSES IN A SMALLER AREA.
SO THIS WAS REALLY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW.
AND YOUR OTHER QUESTION, WOULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? IT'S, UH, IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT SAME, THAT SAME GUIDELINE, RIGHT? SO, UH, IF WE'VE GOT THE 22 ACRES TOTAL IS ACTUALLY WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR THE PDMU, THEN WOULD THAT NOT BE WHAT THE 10%, UH, CRITERIA IS? I'M SORRY, A THOUSAND FEET PER ACRE, SO THAT SHOULD BE 22,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT AS OPPOSED TO OUR SUBMISSION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY 8,700, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE USING THE COMMERCIAL EXCLUSIVELY? I THINK.
I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED THAT.
I THINK YOU ALSO ASKED ABOUT, UM, WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE EO ZONING? I DON'T KNOW.
UH, THAT'S JUST THE, JUST THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE THING IS GONNA BE IDENTIFIED AS A-P-D-M-U AS OPPOSED TO OH, IT WENT, IT WAS A, NOT JUST COMMERCIAL, A MINOR PD.
BECAUSE IT'S, UM, LESS THAN 50 ACRES.
GONNA GO THROUGH MY LIST HERE.
UM, SHEETS IS A CONTRACT QUESTION.
UH, THE TIA, UM, SO IF THE 80 TOWN HOMES GET BUILT, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A CRITERIA HERE.
IF THE 80 TOWN HOMES GET OCCUPIED BEFORE THAT 1 9, 1 99, UH, SIGNAL IS TURNED AS COMPLETED.
UM, IS, HAS THE TIA INCLUDED AN EVALUATION AS I, AS I READ IT, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT INTERIM EVALUATION.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF ANALYZED THE POSSIBILITY OF A PARTIAL COMPLETION BEING DONE AND THEN THE DESIGN OF THE ROADWAYS BEING MEETING THAT, UH, CRITERIA AND THAT, AND THAT PART OF THAT COMES INTO THE FACT THAT, AS I READ IT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL IN THIS, OR THIS DOCUMENT DOESN'T IDENTIFY THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY.
IT'S NOT LIKE 80, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE ARE GONNA BE BUILT FIRST OCCUPIED, AND THEN THE WEST SIDE WILL BE COMPLETED.
IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE APPLICANT TO BUILD ALL 125 OR 123, WHATEVER THE FINAL NUMBER CAME OUT TO BE.
UM, SO THERE'S NO IDENTIFICATION ON THE OCCUPANCY SIDE OF IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF ONLY 80 ARE MET AND THEN THAT GROUNDBREAKING DOESN'T HAPPEN IF WE DON'T HIT THAT SECONDARY THRESHOLD THAT, THAT THE INTERIM, UM, BUILD OUT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIA IS APPROPRIATE.
DOES THAT MAKE QUESTION MAKE SENSE? I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
UM, I DID NOT SEE THAT ANALYSIS IN THE PRESENTA IN THE, UH, TIA, WE DID SEND THIS OFF TO VDOT AND THEY APPROVED IT.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HERE TONIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN WE FINALIZE IT'S 125 UNITS OR 123 WAS THE FINAL.
THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT IT'S GONNA BE 123, UM, BUT YOU CAN ASK THEM FOR THAT AS WELL.
UH, WHEN WE, SO REGARDING THE, THE NORTH POD SIDE OF IT, THE OVERALL MIXED USE, UM, WHEN, WHEN THAT LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DONE, THE LANGUAGE IN THERE, IT WAS CLEARLY WRITTEN AT LENGTH, RIGHT? THERE'S CLEARLY A DESIRE TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY SPECIFIC ON IT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF WAS IN THE, IN THE PROCESS AT THAT TIME, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE 2040 PLAN, THE NORTH POD, WE'RE REALLY REFERRING LARGELY TO THE
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SOUTH SIDE OF 1 99.WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN THAT'S GENERALLY BEING DISCUSSED, THE, THE ISSUE WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLARIFICATION, UM, OR IF THERE IS A CLARIFICATION POSSIBLE FOR, UM, THE ABILITY FOR THIS TO BE, UM, HOW DO I WANNA, HOW DO I WANNA PUT THIS? SO THE OVERALL MIXED USE STRATEGY, WELL, OVERALL, DO WE EXPECT AN APPLICANT TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP THE NORTH SIDE, BUT ALSO SIMULTANEOUSLY DEVELOP THE SOUTH SIDE? LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRETTY DIFFICULT HURDLE THERE IN THAT REGARD.
SO WHILE THE LANGUAGE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE 2040 PLAN IS A PRETTY BIG PLAN.
SO OF COURSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET EVERY WORD PERFECT, BUT IN THAT REGARD, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO COMMENTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED DURING THAT TIMEFRAME THAT MEETS THAT, UM, NEED FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF AN APPLICANT TO NOT BE SO, SUCH AN OVERALL MIXED USE STRATEGY OR SO SUCH AN OVERALL STRATEGY THAT SAYS NOT ONLY ARE WE GONNA DEVELOP THE NORTH SIDE OF 1 9 9, WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO NORTH PODS AS WELL.
IT DOESN'T READ THAT WAY TO MY EYES, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATELY READ THAT WAY AS WELL.
I WASN'T THERE WHEN THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
HOWEVER, UM, REALLY WE, WE CAN GO ON THE GUIDANCE THAT IT GIVES US, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
IT SAYS THAT THERE IS A, THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN OVERALL STRATEGY FOR MIXED USE WITH THE NORTH POD, AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THAT FULLY.
IT SAYS THAT, UH, MIXED USE IS POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT STRATEGY WITH THE NORTH POD.
SO THEY'RE MEETING PART OF THAT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
AND I THINK JUST TO JUMP IN SO THAT, I THINK THE, THE, THE BIG PHRASE THERE IS IT SHOULD NOT BE PURELY RESIDENTIAL.
IT SHOULD NOT BE PURELY RESIDENTIAL.
AND WITH THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN HERE, THEY COULD BUILD 80 TOWN HOMES AND IT COULD BE PURELY RESIDENTIAL WITHOUT ANY COMMERCIAL.
BUT IF THEY GO OVER 80, THEN YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL INJECTED IN THERE TO MAKE IT MIXED USE.
THAT PURELY RESIDENTIAL PIECE IS KIND OF WHY WE HAVE WRITTEN THAT DENIAL.
AND SIMILARLY TO THAT POINT, UH, MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, THE, YOUR COUNTY'S HISTORY ON SUCCESS IN VERTICAL AS SO, SO THIS IS A HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT IN COMPARISON, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE ONLY HAVE ONE SUCCESSFUL, SEMI-SUCCESSFUL, UH, VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT, WHAT I CALL A FOUR ON ONE COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM, AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, THE HISTORY OF YORK COUNTY'S OVERALL VERTICAL USE AS THIS APPLICANT DOESN'T INCLUDE A VERTICAL USE? YES.
AND, AND IF THAT'S THE ONLY ONE SUCCESSFUL, UM, HAVE THERE BEEN OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTED THAT HAVE BEEN FULLY CONVERTED? THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF? I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS, SO I DON'T HAVE A FULL HISTORICAL BACKGROUND.
BUT, UH, MAYBE OUR DIRECTOR CAN ANSWER THAT.
I THINK, UM, COMMONWEALTH GREEN HAD ONE SET OF, UM, TOWN HOME TYPE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU HAD A BUSINESS COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A DEVELOPMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM FLOOR IS PURELY COMMERCIAL WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT.
UM, THE CLOSEST YOU COULD GET WOULD PROBABLY BE NELSON'S GRANT, WHICH WAS A LITTLE SMALLER.
UH, BUT NONE OF THOSE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE COMMERCIAL AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE STREET, BUT YES, YOU'RE CORRECT, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU HAVE PURELY COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
UH, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE PROPOSALS THAT I, OTHER THAN THAT ONE LIVE ABOVE UNIT IS KIND OF WHAT WE CALLED IT IN COMMONWEALTH GREEN.
UM, AND THAT WASN'T AS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ENDED UP COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR THAT TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY, THEY COULDN'T SELL THE UNITS.
UM, BUT NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF OUR MIXED USES HAVE BEEN THE HORIZONTAL, AS YOU'RE SAYING, WHERE THE COMMERCIAL IS SEPARATED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN SOME WAY, IN SOME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONNECTED VIA, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS AND ROADWAYS AND THINGS AND ARCHITECTURALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY TOGETHER, UH, WITH SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS, BIKE CONNECTIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT YES, NO OR NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT AS YOU, AS YOU DEFINED IT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M PAINTING THE PICTURE CLEARLY FOR OUR HISTORICAL USE AND EXPECTATIONS FOR AN APPLICANT.
SO I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR COUNTY.
YEAH, WE GOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING THEN DO THE APPLICANTS OPEN THE PUBLIC?
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I'M SORRY.OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST APPLICANT, WHO IS VERNON GETTY.
MR. GETTY, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND REMEMBER YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES AND ANYONE ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH YOU, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK UNDERSTOOD MINUTES? YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I AM VERNON GETTY OF 1177 JAMESTOWN ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, A NUMBER OF FOLKS ARE ALSO HERE TONIGHT.
THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, PARTNERS HERE ARE ROCA PARTNERS AND DAN HARGET, THE OWNER OF ROCHA IS HERE, AND STANLEY MARTIN HOLMES.
AND HUNTER TAYLOR, THE DIVISION PRESIDENT OF STANLEY MARTIN IS HERE, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER TIMMONS IS HERE, AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
SO YOU HAVE SEEN THE NEW PLAN AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROCA.
ROCA PARTNERS IS A HIGHLY RESPECTED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT INVESTMENT FIRM.
THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER 5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND NOW OWN AND MANAGE, UH, 70 PROPERTIES WITH 2.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND HERE IN THE COUNTY, THEY DEVELOPED THE WAWA AND VALVOLINE AT ROUTE 17 AND THEATER ROAD AND THE CVS AT ROUTE 17 AND, UH, LAKESIDE DRIVE.
STANLEY MARTIN HOMES IS THE VIRGINIA BASED HOME BILL OF OUR, UH, CELEBRATING NEARLY 60 YEARS SERVING COMMUNITIES IN VIRGINIA.
THEY TOO HAVE AN ESTABLISHED TRACK RECORD IN NEW YORK COUNTY AND POCS, INCLUDING THE FOR SALE TOWN HOMES AT KELTON STATION DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF CELESTIAL WAY AND TAB IN THE RECENT WEEK, COMPLET QUARTER CREEK COMMUNITY IN POCOS, THEY FOCUS ON CREATING QUALITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COMPLIMENT THE CHARACTER OF SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES WHILE PROVIDING NEW H HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
THEIR HOMES ARE THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED FOR TODAY'S LIFESTYLE AND FEATURE OPEN FLOOR PLANS, FLEXIBLE LIVING SPACES, AND MODERN AMENITIES.
ROCA PARTNERS HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, UH, SAY HERE OVER FIVE YEARS.
I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO ALMOST NINE YEARS.
UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS THE SUBJECT OF A PRIOR ZONING APPLICATION FILED IN 2023 AND HEARD BY THE COMMISSION IN 2024.
UH, IT SOUGHT TO REZONE THE EO PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FROM PDMU, UH, TO PDMU, FROM EO TO PERMIT 320 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, THE 3.5 ACRES SHEET SITE, AND, UH, 15 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG MARQUEE CENTER PARKWAY FRONTAGE ACROSS FROM MARQUEE.
UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK RECEIVED DURING THAT REZONING PROCESS, INCLUDING THE RESULTS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, UH, ROCHA HAS GONE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND PARTNERED WITH STANLEY MARTIN SIGNIFICANTLY REVISED THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PRODUCT AND DENSITY.
THE MESSAGE WAS CLEAR THEN, UH, THAT APARTMENTS WERE NOT A DESIRABLE USE ON THIS SITE.
UH, AND WHAT WAS NEEDED WAS MODERATELY PRICED FOR SALE HOMES.
WE HAD ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE MAKE THE COMMENT WE WANT SOMEWHERE OUR CHILDREN CAN BUY AND HAVE HOME OWNERSHIP HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
SO THE APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED FROM THE PROPOSAL AND REPLACED BY UP TO 125 FOR SALE TOWN HOMES.
THE 3.5 ACRE SHEET SITE HAS BEEN RETAINED, AND FOUR AND A HALF ACRES OF COMMERCIAL USES TWO OUT PARCELS.
SO LONG ROUTE 1 99 HAVE BEEN RETAINED.
UH, THE PORTION OF THE PARCEL NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION WILL EITHER BE SUBJECT TO A FUTURE REZONING, UH, APPLICATION OR POTENTIALLY DEVELOPED UNDER ITS EXISTING EO ZONING.
BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ROCHA IS BUYING THE ENTIRE PARCEL.
SO THEY WILL BE THE OWNERS, AND THEY ARE LONG-TERM OWNERS.
THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT ULTIMATELY DEVELOP THAT, UH, PORTION THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NEW AND OLD PLAN HERE IS THE EXCLUDED AREA.
UM, REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S THE SAME IS THE SHEETS, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE TOWN HOMES HERE IN LIEU OF THE APARTMENTS.
AND, UH, AGAIN, INSTEAD OF THIS WHAT WAS ADMITTEDLY SPECULATIVE COMMERCIAL ZONE LAND, UM, WE'RE GONNA WAIT AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY COMES AND, AND MAKE
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SENSE TO GO THERE.UH, WE AGREE WITH ALMOST ALL THE STAFF REPORT, FRANKLY, EXCEPT THE ULTIMATE CONCLUSION.
UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID ELIMINATE MIXED USE OVERLAY IN THE COUNTY, BUT HAS BEEN NOTED.
UH, IT DID SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZE MIXED USE ON THIS SITE COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THE COUNTY HAS MORE YEAR ZONE LAND THAN IS NEEDED TO MEET DEMANDS, UH, IN THIS QUARTER AND IN GENERAL.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES THE LACK OF RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, UH, IN THIS AREA HINDERS EFFORTS TO ATTRACT RETAIL TO THE MARQUEE, AND IT ALSO NOTES A MAJOR DRAWBACK AS A LACK OF ANY GAS STATION CONVENIENCE USE OR ANY FOOD USES IN THIS CORRIDOR.
UH, THIS PROJECT WILL ADDRESS BOTH NEEDS, BRINGS QUALITY, MODERATELY PLACED FOR SALE HOUSING, MUCH NEEDED GAS, CONVENIENCE, FOOD USE, AND WOULD BE THE FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS QUARTER SINCE THE MARQUEE WAS BUILT.
UH, WE AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THIS DOES MEET THE INTENT OF THE PDUM MU ORDINANCE AND HAVE PROFFERED THE PHASING PLAN THAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED.
UM, ROCHA AT THIS POINT HAS A SIGNED LEASE WITH SHEETS AND, UH, WORK ON THAT PARCEL WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE REZONING.
UH, THEY ARE MARKETING THE OTHER TWO SITES AND, UH, HAVE A SIGNED LETTER INTENT ON ONE OF THEM FOR A FOOD USE.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR SHEETS FOR THIS SITE AND SOME INTERNAL SHOTS.
THIS IS THEIR COFFEE BAR AND SOME OF THEIR FOOD SHOPPING AREA.
UM, THIS WILL PROVIDE QUALITY MODERATELY PLACED FOR SALE HOUSING WITH ATTRACTIVE AMENITIES IN A WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
AND AS I NOTED, CREATES THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE COUNTY.
PROJECT HAS A POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT NEEDED.
TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN PROFFERED, UH, BY THE TIME THE PROJECT'S BUILT AND STUDENTS ARE ENTERING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, UH, THE AFFECTED SCHOOLS WILL HAVE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE STUDENTS.
UM, WE'VE HELD, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN I THINK, THE FOURTH TOWN HALL MEETING WE'VE HAD WITH OUR FRIENDS AT WHITAKER'S MILL.
UH, THREE IN THE EARLIER CASE, BUT ONE FOR THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN STAFF NOTES THERE'S SEVERAL PROFFERS THAT ARE ADDRESSED TO SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE INCLUDED.
UH, THIS IS A WELL-DESIGNED PROJECT THAT MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OF BRINGING ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS TO SUPPORT THE MARQUEE AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE.
BRINGS THE GAS CONVENIENT FOOD USES TO THE CORRIDOR, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE MARQUEE LOCAL RESIDENTS, LOCAL ATTRACTIONS, UH, FOLKS LEAVING WATER COUNTRY WILL NOW HAVE A PLACE TO GET GAS AND HAVE A BITE TO EAT BEFORE, UH, MOVING ON AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
UH, WE WILL RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HUNTER TAYLOR IS GONNA ADDRESS YOU BRIEFLY FOLLOWED BY DAN HART.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, LETTING US, UH, SPEAK AND MAKE AN APPEAL FOR, UH, YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M THE DIVISION PRESIDENT FOR STANLEY MARTIN HOMES.
I, I LIVE IN HERE IN ON THE PENS.
I LIVE JUST ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE IN YORK, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND I HAVE FOR 20 YEARS.
UM, I AM DEEPLY PASSIONATE ABOUT HOME BUILDING, UH, AND I WANNA SEE GOOD DEVELOPMENT BROUGHT TO, TO OUR AREA.
I HAVE A LONG HISTORY, IS IT MR. PELLI? UM, I TRIED TO REDEVELOP THE, THE MARQUEE, UM, BACK WHEN THE COMP PLANT WAS BEING UPDATED.
I WORKED FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
UH, MY CHURCH WAS TRYING TO BUY THE JC PENNEY BUILDING.
I PERSONALLY TRIED TO BUY THE MASTER PARCEL FROM THE MASTER DEVELOPER.
I TRIED TO PUT SAM'S CLUB UNDER PARCEL, UNDER CONTRACT.
IT IS TOO COMPLICATED AND TOO DIFFICULT OF A NUT TO WORK FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT WITH UNWILLING AND TOO MANY SEPARATE ENTITIES TO, UH, AND WE NEED TO CREATE A SPARK AND WE NEED TO CREATE MORE DEMAND AND SHOW SOME MORE, UH, WHAT CAN WORK.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET SOMETHING GOING IN, UM, IN THE SOUTH POD, BUT I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE NEED TO BRING MORE ATTRACTION TO THE AREA TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC STIMULUS TO THE CURRENT OWNERS WITHIN THE MARQUEE.
THE COMP PLAN ITSELF, JUST REAL QUICK, IT, WHILE IT SAYS, WHILE THE IMMEDIATE FOCUS O OF A SUCH MIXED USE STRATEGY MUST BE ON THE NORTH POD, IT COULD BE ULTIMATELY EXTENDED IT, IT DOESN'T SAY, UM,
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IT, IT HAS TO START ON THERE.IT THERE, IT LEAVES A LITTLE BIT.
AND IT, AGAIN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS ARE ALWAYS GUIDELINES.
AND, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ON IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES, UM, IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC APPEAL OF NEW DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOTHING MORE UNSIGHTLY THAN THE MARQUEE RIGHT NOW.
I DRIVE THROUGH IT, WE SHOP THERE, IT'S TERRIBLE, AND I, I, I DESPERATELY WOULD WANT TO SEE IT IMPROVED, UM, AS A RESIDENT OF THE AREA.
AND THEN FOR JUST HOUSING, UH, WE HAVE A CRISIS IN THE UNITED STATES.
UH, WE HAVE A CRISIS HERE ON THE PENINSULA.
ATTAINABLE HOUSING IS VERY DIFFICULT.
OUR HOMES ARE GONNA START IN THE THREE EIGHTIES.
THE AVERAGE RENTAL FOR A 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME RIGHT NOW IN, UH, IN THE AREA YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY, IS $2,700 A MONTH ON A VA LOAN, FIXED LOAN, 6%.
THE PRINCIPAL INTEREST TEXAS INSURANCE, UH, PAYMENT WOULD BE $2,500.
SO WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE OWNING HOMES.
WE NEED TO CREATE, UH, THAT'S HOW WE CREATE GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND STABILITY.
UH, WE NEED TO GET PEOPLE IN, UH, IN HOMES EARLIER.
THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THE AVERAGE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER NOW NEED TO FINISH UP.
WE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, NICK, UH, THIS APPLICATION HAS, UM, SO YOUR PAST 20 23, 20 24 HAD SHEETS, UH, EXCLUSIVELY.
AND SINCE THEN, IT HAS NOT CHANGED IN YOUR PLAN.
WAS THERE ANY EVER CONSIDERATION FOR EXCLUSIVELY THE SHEETS PROPERTY, SINCE IT APPARENTLY IS, UH, HAS SOME APPEAL OR SOME DESIGN ATTRACTION? HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED FOR EXCLUSIVELY, UH, SUBMITTING JUST A STANDALONE SHEETS? JUST A STANDALONE SHEETS? YEAH.
THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS TO PUT THAT IN WITHOUT THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.
ROCHA IS, IS BUYING THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, OR HAS BOUGHT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, IS IS SUBJECT TO THIS REZONING.
UM, REGARDING THE 10 ACRES TO THE WEST, THAT'LL BE LEFT ALONE.
UM, SO LOOKING AT YOUR INITIAL PLAN, YOU HAD KIND OF A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT LEFT TO SIDE AND, AND CROSS COMPARING THAT TO THE TERRAIN FEATURES.
I WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, THE USE OF THAT 10 ACRES ONCE IT'S LEFT TO A FUTURE, UH, EO USE, UM, DOESN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF CONCERN, UH, FROM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT FOR, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT'LL BE LEFT OVER, ESSENTIALLY MAXIMIZING THE USE OF THAT SIDE.
AS, AS I LOOK AT IT, THE TERRAIN IN THAT EASTERN PORTION IS MORE, UH, SIGNIFICANT THAN THE WESTERN PORTION.
AND WE'RE DEVELOPING THE WESTERN PORTION HERE.
SO IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD, DO WE HAVE, OR DOES ROKA HAVE ANY CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE, THE LOT OVERALL AFTER THAT? IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPABILITY OF THE 10 ACRES, CORRECT? NO, THEY DON'T.
THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE A ENTRANCE HERE ALIGNING WITH THE WATER COUNTRY ENTRANCE AND EXTENDING THIS ROAD INTO THE PROPERTY, AND YOU'LL SEE HOW IT LAID OUT BEFORE.
UH, SO IF SHEETS GOES IN OR SOME SORT OF, UH, COMMERCIAL USE IN THAT PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, LOOKING AT, AT YOUR MAP, I'M NOT SEEING SOME SORT OF SIGNIFICANT, SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S GREAT GREEN SPACE IN BETWEEN, UH, THE ROADWAYS AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UH, ACROSS FROM THAT PONDS, YOU'RE BASICALLY BACKING RIGHT UP TO THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THE INTENTION THERE FOR, UH, IF PROPERTY, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND PROPERTIES WERE DEVELOPED THERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE MITIGATION WOULD BE TO SEPARATE THAT COMMERCIAL FROM THAT RESIDENTIAL? YEAH, DAN, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? SPEAK TO THAT.
UH, I'M DAN HARGET, I'M CEO OF ROCA PARTNERS, THE APPLICANT.
I WOULD TELL YOU THAT OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE IT AS APPEALING AS POSSIBLE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TO CO-EXIST WITH THE COMMERCIAL.
PART OF OUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE COUNTY AND GOING THROUGH THAT DESIGN PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE BUFFER AND THAT WE'RE LANDSCAPING IN A WAY THAT REALLY GIVES THEM THE TYPE OF PRODUCT THAT STANLEY MARTIN REALLY NEEDS.
SO THAT'S PART OF THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH.
UM, THIS IS MAINLY FOR THE FOOD USE PORTION YEAH.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE PROPOSALS PHASING
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WILL GIVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE COMPOUND WILL BE DEVELOPED ALONGSIDE THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION? UM, SURE.THE, I THINK THE GREATEST ASSURANCE IS THE FACT THAT SHEETS HAS SIGNED A 50 YEAR LEASE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WILL GO THERE AND THEIR PRESENCE WILL MAKE THIS VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR OTHER USES.
UH, AND AS I MENTIONED, THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, IT'S A FAST FOOD USE THAT HAS A SIGNED LETTER OF TENT WITH RO CANAL.
SO I THINK THEY'RE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO, SO BEYOND THE SHEETS THOUGH, LIKE OBVIOUSLY SHEETS IS COMPARABLE TO A WAWA.
YEAH, YOU CAN GO IN THERE, YOU CAN GET A SANDWICH OR WHATNOT.
BUT A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT OR SIT DOWN FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY A MEAL, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEPT POPPING OUT TO ME THAT I HEARD IN THE PROPOSAL THAT, UH, STAFF WAS SAYING THAT FOOD WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED.
DAN, DO YOU WANNA TALK TO THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF WORKING ON THIS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND THOSE MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUALLY COME UP.
UH, FOOD AND SPECIFICALLY GAS AND GAS CONVENIENCE AND THE ABILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA TO GRAB A BITE TO EAT BEFORE A LITTLE LEAGUE GAME, OR CONVERSELY GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE BEFORE THEY HOP ON THE INTERSTATE AND COMMUTE IN.
SO I WOULD SAY EQUAL TO THE SHEETS, THERE'S ALSO A DESIRE FOR ADDITIONAL FOOD USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY.
CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE WE GET YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, SURE.
I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION NOW THAT YOU JUST KIND OF SAID THAT, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS.
UM, COULD WE GO BACK IN THE SLIDES JUST A LITTLE BIT? UM, I'M WANT TO LOOK AT THE SLIDE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, THE TAXES.
SO THE FISCAL IMPACT PER HOUSEHOLD IS SAYING 1475 PER HOUSEHOLD.
YOU'RE PROJECTED TO BRING IN A REAL ESTATE VALUE OF 410,000.
SO THE INCREASE FOR SCHOOLS, THE INCREASED SCHOOL OPERATING COSTS IS THE 1000 $1,160.
AND FROM WHAT I HEARD, BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS WILL BE ABLE TO ABSORB THESE 47 CHILDREN, THERE WON'T BE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT.
SO THE INCREASED, INCREASED OPERATING COSTS FROM THE SCHOOLS COMES FROM CAN THE INCREASED TAX REVENUE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GENERATING.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PARKING SET UP? HOW ARE YOU GONNA, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GONNA PARK? YEAH.
I WORK WITH STANLEY MARTIN HOMES.
OUR OFFICES AT 11 8 20 FOUNTAIN WAY IN NEWPORT NEWS.
THE PARKING, UM, ALL OF THE, UH, THESE ARE ALL GARAGE TOWN HOMES.
SO THE COUNTY'S, UH, PARKING CALCULATIONS FOR TOWN HOMES ARE, YOU GET A HALF A CREDIT FOR EACH GARAGE AND YOU GET A CREDIT FOR EACH FULL SIZE PARKING SPACE IN A DRIVEWAY.
SO A NUMBER OF THE UNITS ARE REAR LOADED GARAGES.
SO THEY HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE BACK PLUS A TWO CAR DOUBLE WIDTH DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN ALL THE ONES THAT ARE SINGLE LOADED HAVE A GARAGE ON THE FRONT AND A SINGLE WIDTH DRIVEWAY.
SO IT'S ONE AND A HALF SPACES FOR EACH ONE THAT'S GOT A FRONT LOAD GARAGE, THREE SPACES FOR
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EACH ONE THAT HAS A REAR LOAD GARAGE.PLUS WE'VE GOT ABOUT 60 SPACES THAT ARE SPREAD OUT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
GREEN SPACES IN PLACE LIKE THAT, THAT ARE, THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WHAT WE SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T MATCH WHAT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS.
'CAUSE WE WON'T KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, BUT UNTIL WE GET ALL THE UTILITIES PLACED IN THERE AND ALL THE STORM STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND GO THE FULL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL, WE WON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, EXCUSE ME, HOW MANY UNITS WE'LL GET.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL END UP WITH HOWEVER MANY WE CAN MAKE IT WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PARKING.
BUT AT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT PARKING RATIO WORK.
SO, SO YOU'VE GOT A 20 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE CURB, CORRECT? UM, FROM THE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? YES.
AND THE CAR AND THE CURB IS TYPICALLY UNDER ANOTHER FIVE OR 10 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE SIDEWALK IS ON THE RIGHT AWAY SIDE THE WAY WE LAID IT.
AND, AND I'M, AND I'M SORRY IF I JUMP AHEAD.
THE WAY WE'VE LAID IT OUT IS THAT 20 FEET IS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A CAR THAT'S LONGER THAN 20 FEET, WHICH THERE AREN'T MANY OF THOSE THESE DAYS, THEN YOU WON'T ENCROACH ON THE SIDEWALK WITH YOUR VEHICLE WHEN YOU'RE PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.
BUT IF I'M IN ONE OF THE SINGLE GARAGES, I DON'T HAVE ROOM TO PARK MY TWO CARS.
I HAVE TO GO ON THE STREET AND WITH A STREET THAT'S 26 FEET WIDE, WHERE AM I GONNA PARK? THE ONES THAT ARE 26 FEET WIDE ARE ONLY THE REAR LOADED GARAGES.
SO THOSE HAVE ALL GOT A GARAGE COMING IN THE BACK.
ALL OF THE ONES ON THE, THAT ARE FRONT LOAD GARAGES ARE ON THE PUBLIC STREETS WITH A 50 FOOT WIDE RIGHT OF AWAY.
AND YOU'LL HAVE PARKING ON THE STREETS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKING, THERE'RE GONNA BE PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AROUND THE GREEN SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHITAKER'S MILL IS RIGHT THERE AND THERE'S A HUGE PARKING SPOT, PARKING PROBLEM, WHITAKER'S MILL.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
'CAUSE THERE'S, IN MY OPINION, I CAN'T SEE HOW YOU GOT ENOUGH PARKING.
UM, AND I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
UM, SECOND QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, UM, IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC, UM, ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE, I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE.
UM, BUT, AND, UH, WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT SUFFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS PAGE FOUR OF YOUR YEAH.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OUR, OUR CONSULTANT TED FIGUERA DOES STUDIES LIKE THAT IN MANY DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS.
YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, WE USED ONES THAT WERE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COUNTY.
I I THINK WHAT HE DID IS HE TOOK ANOTHER ONE AND JUST SLAPPED NUMBERS IN IT.
UM, AND, UH, ONE THING THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T CONSIDERED IN YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS CAPITAL COSTS.
UM, THE REASON THESE SCHOOLS HAVE, WILL HAVE CAPACITY AT BUILD OUT IS THE TAXPAYERS OF YORK COUNTY ARE SPENDING ROUGHLY $85 MILLION ON SCHOOL SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS TAXPAYER MONEY THAT'S GOING OUT BECAUSE OF ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BUILT THAT WE NEVER REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO PUT UP OR, OR INCLUDE IN THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THE CAPITAL COST.
AND SO ALL YOU'RE SHOWING IS THE OPERATING COST.
AND I'M, MY NUMBERS ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN SHOW, THIS THING IS GONNA COST ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO $4,000 PER UNIT PER YEAR TO THE TAXPAYERS OF YORK COUNTY.
AND IT'S THAT IT'S JUST A BAD INVESTMENT.
SO THE OTHER QUESTION, NO, THAT'S IT.
THANK, LET'S START WITH THEIR DAWN KLEIN.
I JUST HAVE TO PLEASE STATE, YOU KNOW, STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU GOT THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT ONE 17 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, I LIVE IN THE WHITAKER MILL COMMUNITY OFF OF PENMAN ROAD.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, I OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION TO REZONE A PORTION OF THE 2 32 ACRES TO P-D-M-U-I CO I HAVE A COUPLE OF REASONS I'LL, I'LL POINT OUT TO YOU.
ONE, THE, UH, AREA TRAFFIC FLOW PLAN NEEDS TO BE CLOSELY EXAMINED.
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IS A WINDING SITE BLOCKED ROAD.ADDING TWO ACCESS POINTS WILL NOT IMPROVE IT.
UH, TODAY, WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY IS THAT CAPACITY OF LOCAL COMMUTERS, STEADY TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC FROM BUSH INDUSTRIAL PARK ENTERPRISE CORPORATION TRAFFIC IN WYNDHAM HOTEL.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, UH, THEIR, THEIR OCCUPANCY HAS SPIKED RECENTLY.
UH, THEIR ONLY ACCESS POINT TO, UH, THEIR BUSINESS IS WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.
AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE WATER BUS STOP NEAR THE LOCATION OF THE TWO NEW ACCESS POINTS, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
ALSO, THE, UH, DANGEROUS INTERSECTION OF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY AND PENMAN ROAD IS NOT EVEN ADDRESSED IN THIS APPLICATION.
IF YOU WANT TO TURN LEFT OR RIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION, IT'S DANGEROUS.
SIGHT LINES ARE OBSTRUCTED IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND PRUDENT ACCELERATION IS REQUIRED TO NAVIGATE THAT INTERSECTION.
SECONDLY, UH, THE PROPERTY HAS SIGNIFICANT HISTORY.
IN AUGUST OF 2016, A PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY CONCLUDED THE SITE HAD LOW INFORMATION POTENTIAL.
AND FURTHER ARCHEOLOGY WAS NOT WARRANTED, UH, FOR INFORMATION.
A SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN AMERICAN FREEDOM EVENT RELATED TO THE EMANCIPATION OCCURRED ON THAT PROPERTY ON MAY 5TH, 1862.
IT WAS ALSO THE SITE OF UNION ARMY HEADQUARTERS DURING THE BATTLE OF WILLIAMSBURG ON THAT SAME DATE.
AND I PROVIDED A COPY OF, UH, PRIVATE ROBERT KNOX SNEDEN'S SKETCH OF THE PRI OF THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, UH, TO Y'ALL.
AND HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
THIS SITE NEEDS TO BE HONORED.
UH, PERHAPS, UH, FURTHER ARCHEOLOGY, UH, UH, CAN BE CONSIDERED.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SKETCH, IT WAS A BUSY, CONSEQUENTIAL PLACE IN ANYTHING, BUT, AND IT'S ANYTHING BUT LOW INFORMATION, POTENTIAL.
SO IN SUMMARY, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING, UH, REZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, MARTIN BANK STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS MARTIN BANK, 1 29 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR ALLOWING, ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.
UH, MR. KLEIN USED HIS TIME ON SOME OF THE ITEMS I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, BUT TO MR. B'S QUESTION EARLIER REGARDING THE VDOT, UH, THERE'S NO LIGHTS ON THAT STREET AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHEETS.
AND THIS SUBDIVISION HAVING TWO ENTRANCES EXITS THAT WILL DUMP MORE TRAFFIC ONTO A S STREET THAT HAS LITTLE VISIBILITY IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND I SUPPLIED EVERYBODY WITH SOME PICTURES.
THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN TODAY, ALSO TODAY AT, UH, ABOUT EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.
WE HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD RAIN LAST NIGHT.
THE INTERSECTION OF 1 99 AND WATER COUNTRY WAS LIKE A WATER COUNTRY.
IT WAS FLOODED NOW, TWO OR THREE HOURS LATER, IT HAD RECEDED, BUT IT'S ALSO DANGEROUS ALSO ON 1 99, WHICH HAS NO LIGHTS, UH, ON 1 99 RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE HOTEL ENTRANCE EXIT IS THE BUS STOP MISSED CLIENT TALKED ABOUT.
AND I TOOK A PICTURE TODAY OF A BUS STOPPING AT THAT.
I WAS STANDING IN THE DRIVEWAY OF THE HOTEL.
SO I BELIEVE THAT FROM THE TRAFFIC STANDPOINT ON AN ALREADY DANGEROUS ROAD AND INTERSECTION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL ISSUES.
GO AHEAD TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN.
TURN MY LIGHT TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN JUST UP HERE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED ON THAT, ON THIS PROPERTY? E EITHER ONE OF YOU, YOU SAID WHAT WOULD, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE? YES.
THAT ROAD IS TERRIBLE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, NOT THE ROADS MUCH ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING.
AND YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I DO AGREE WITH THAT.
ALTHOUGH LESSER OF TWO EVILS, THE HOUSING IS NOT SO BAD.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT GAS STATION HAS ANY PLACE THERE TO MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I PUT A COPY OF THE THING THAT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER ON MAY 1ST ABOUT A SHEET IN, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC, SIR.
WE SHOULD, YEAH, WE, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL, SIR.
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ANYTHING MORE.WILLIAM MILLER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS IN THREE MINUTES.
BILL MILLER, I, I'LL RESIDE AT 1 0 8 DAVID'S WAY IN YORKTOWN.
HERE'S MY TAKEAWAYS FROM A REVIEW OF THE EAH APPLICATION.
IT'S 316 PAGES IN LENGTH, INCLUDING 11 PAGES OF THE COUNTY PLAN REVIEW.
IT'S A SKINNING DOWN VERSION OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS REJECTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2014.
THERE WERE 314 APARTMENTS IN 2024.
NOW THERE ARE 125 TOWNHOUSES FEATURING COOKIE CUTTER DESIGNS MARKETED BY A NORTHERN VIRGINIA BUILDER.
THE PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY BY YORK COUNTY, BUT THE LANDOWNER REQUESTS ZONING THE PROPERTY, UH, REZONING THE PROPERTY PLAN DEVELOPMENT MIXED USE IN ORDER TO SELL TOWNHOUSES.
THE RATIONALE IS TO, IS TO CHANGE THE RULES.
IF YOU CAN'T CONFORM TO THE PRESCRIBED CRITERIA.
A GAS STATION INCLUDED IN THE 2024 APPLICATION HAS NOW BEEN MARKETED AS A SHEETS GAS STATION, BUT THE SHEETS FACILITY WON'T COMMIT TO CONSTRUCTION UNTIL 80% OF THE TOWNHOUSES ARE COMMITTED WITH CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY.
THE PDMU ZONING IS TOUTED BY THE LANDOWNER TO HELP THE ECONOMIC RE RECOVERY OF THE FAILING MARQUEE SHOPPING MALL.
IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, 447 MULTIFAMILY HOUSING UNITS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED BEHIND THE FAILING MALL FOR THE AVOWED PURPOSE TO SPUR RECOVERY, IS IT REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT A MERE 125 TOWNHOUSES WILL SPUR THE RECOVERY OF THE MALL? 185 OF THE 306 16 PAGES OF THE APPLICATION ARE DEVOTED TO TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
THE TIA IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING ITS THIRD REVISION BY VO AND IS NOT YET APPROVED.
THE PROPERTY WAS OCCUPIED BY THE UNION OPERA ARMY DURING THE CIVIL WAR.
IT HAS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE RELATED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
THE PROPERTY, OR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION THEREOF, MUST BE PRESERVED AS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE EMANCIPATION INITIATIVE IS PUBLICLY INTERPRETED.
OUT OF THE 316 PAGES OF SELF-SERVING DOCUMENTATION, THERE ARE ONLY 46 WORDS THAT VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED IN THE APPLICATION TO DEPICT THE HI HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
THANK YOU DARRELL AND TAANA HENSON.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND THREE MINUTES.
UH, NAME IS DARYL AND TANYA HENSON.
WE LIVE AT 2 0 4 GS MILL ARCH IN WHITAKER MILL SUBDIVISION.
UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS, AND I THINK, I'M HOPING I'M NOT FORGETTING THEM.
UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I AGREE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN HERE.
UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN WHITAKER MILL FOR SIX YEARS NOW, AND, UM, I'M BORDERLINE EMBARRASSED AT TIMES TO BRING PEOPLE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF HOW BADLY IT LOOKS IN THAT AREA.
WHEN YOU COME OFF 1 99 COMING DOWN THAT SIDE ROAD HEADED BACK TOWARDS PENMAN, UM, A NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE COME DOWN THAT ROAD AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS ALONG THAT ROAD.
IT'S QUITE UNSIGHTLY ON THAT CORNER ON PENMAN WHERE YOU, BEFORE YOU COME INTO THE BACKSIDE OF OUR SUBDIVISION WHERE VDOT FAILS TO CUT THE GRASS AND, UM, TRASH IS DUMPED THERE BY PEOPLE ALONG WINCHESTER ROAD BUSINESSES AND TRUCKS AND THAT, THAT GO DOWN THAT BACK ROAD AND DUMP TRASH BACK THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, UM, MR. KLEIN AND, AND MR. BANKS, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THEM.
I'M NOT HERE IN THIS CAPACITY, BUT I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE WHITAKER MILL, HOA.
AND, UM, SO WE HAVE, AS FAR AS, UM, THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME, FIRST OF ALL I'LL SAY THAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
ONE, WE AT ONE POINT HAD, UM, THE ROAD TO THE GAS STATION, THE WAWA THAT WE HAVE TO GO DOWN, UM, WAS BLOCKED OFF COMPLETELY
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FROM, I WANNA SAY, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.WE HAD TO GET ON 1 99, GO UP THE ROAD, GO DOWN JUST TO GET TO THE GAS STATION.
IN ADDITION, THEY'VE ALSO NOW CHANGED THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING OF THE ROAD ALONG, UM, PENMAN.
AS WE GO TO THE WAWA, WE NOW HAVE TO STOP AT THE, UM, AT THE SCHOOL, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE, WHILE ALL OTHER AREAS OF THAT TRAFFIC HAVE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSVERSE.
AND THAT BLOCKS, THAT BLOCKS I ROAD UP QUITE A BIT.
UM, THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL THING I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I FORGOT.
I'M DARL HESTON 2 0 4 GME ARCHING WITH MILL.
I HAD A THREE MINUTE SPEECH, BUT NOW I GOTTA CUT IT SHORT.
BUT, UH, IN THE, IN INTEREST OF TIME, I TRY TO READ SOME OF IT IN, UH, IN, IN OUR, UM, OPINION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT NEAR WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY AND ROUTE 1 9 9 REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE STEP FORWARD FOR YORK COUNTY COMMUNITY COMMUNITY TRANSFORMING AN UNMARKED AND INACCESSIBLE WOODED AREA THAT'S CONSISTENTLY USED FOR, UH, DRIVERS THROWING TRASH IN THE AREA AS THEY DRIVE BY INTO A VIBRANT, ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BY BRINGING THE MODERN SHEETS INTO A, UH, THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED TOWN HOME COMMUNITY TO THE AREA, THE PROJECT WILL GENERATE SUBSTANTIAL NEW TAX REVENUE AND CREATE LOCAL JOBS WHILE REPLACING NEGLECTED BRUSH AND COHESIVE VISUALLY.
APPEALING ARCHITECTURAL AND PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING CRITICALLY.
WHILE THE SITE CURRENTLY HIDES IMPORTANT HISTORICAL E ELEMENTS, INCLUDING THE WHITTAKER MILL ARCHEOLOGICAL COMPLEX AND REVOLUTIONARY AND CIVIL WAR REMNANTS, THE WHITTED LANDSCAPE OFFERS NO CURRENT MARKERS TO EDUCATE OR INFORM THE PUBLIC.
RATHER THAN LEAVING THESE MILESTONES FORGOTTEN IN THE OVERGROWTH, THE DEVELOPERS' FORMAL COMMITMENT TO INSTALL A DEDICATED BENCH AND COMMEMORATIVE PLAQUE ENSURE THAT THIS VITAL HISTORY IS ACTIVELY HONORED AND IN INTEGRATED INTO THE COMMUNITY'S DAILY LIFE.
FINALLY, GIVEN THIS THE SITE, THE PUBLIC RECOGNITION IT DESERVES, WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPER'S FUNDED MARKER, THE 13.2 ACRE HISTORIC SITE WILL REMAIN COMPLETELY HIDDEN IN OVERGROWTH, UN ENTIRELY UNKNOWN TO PEOPLE.
PASSING BY THE PLAQUE WILL TRANSFORM A VACANT, UNMARKED PATCH OF WOODS INTO AN ACTIVE EDUCATIONAL MONUMENT, ENSURING THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE CAN EARN, CAN LEARN AN INCREDIBLY ABOUT THE, UH, INCREDIBLY DIVERSE HISTOR HISTORY RIGHT BENEATH OUR FEET.
ANN GREGORIAN, DID I SAY IT RIGHT?
ANN GREGORIAN, 1 1 7 BALDRICK PLACE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK PRIMARILY, UM, ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND THE CONCERN I HAVE, UM, ON SOME OF THE ANALYSIS THAT I THINK WAS LACKING, UM, IT DIDN'T, UH, THE ANALYSIS DIDN'T INCLUDE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF, UM, THE HOUSING WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM TAXES, UH, REAL ESTATE AND PROPERTY DUE TO THE DISABILITY, UM, UH, TAX EXEMPTION AND THE SURVIVING SPOUSE TAX EXEMPTION.
UM, $1,160 SEEMS A LITTLE LOW.
I THINK IT COSTS ON AVERAGE $12,000 FOR A STUDENT TO ATTEND, UH, ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL EDUCATION OR, OR SPECIAL NEEDS.
UM, THEIR SCHOOL CAPACITY DATA, IT MAKES A DISCLAIMER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART AND ALSO IN THE SCHOOL DATA ITSELF, THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ENROLLMENT DATA FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS CURRENTLY BEING, UM, UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT COULD PUSH BOUNDARIES, UH, FOR THE SCHOOLS.
I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS RECENTLY SENT OUT A MEMORANDUM FOR A 1%, UM, ADDITIONAL TAX SALES TAX TO PROMOTE, UH, SPECIFICALLY AND SET ASIDE FOR SCHOOL, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THIS DEVELOPMENT CONCERNS ME, UM, IN THAT I FEEL LIKE THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THESE COUNTY AND STATE, NEW STATE SPECIFIC, UM, TAX, UH, EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE IMPOSED ON OUR LOCALITY UNFUNDED MANDATES.
UM, BASICALLY, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, EXPRESS CONCERN THAT ANY INCREASE IN REVENUE FOR THE MARQUEE, UM, I BELIEVE UNTIL 2041, UM, WILL, UH, GO TO THE CDA AND NOT COME BACK, UH, TO YORK COUNTY, UM, WITH THAT REVENUE.
SO WE, ANY INCREASE THAT WE'LL SEE FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY SPEND AT THE MARQUEE.
ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO BACK TO THE CDA UNTIL 2041.
I COULD HAVE THAT WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.
AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UM, NO SCHOOL PROFFERS.
UM, AND I, I'M NOT, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SCHOOL PROFFERS, UH, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES FORWARD.
AND IM NOT TOO EXCITED ABOUT SIX PLEX HOMES.
JUST THINK THAT'S FOR YORK COUNTY, NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA ENDORSE IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT TOWN HOMES IN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN TWO, THREE IN A ROW.
'CAUSE A SIXPLEX, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S A, THERE'S, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE SIXPLEX LIKE ROW HOUSES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS HEARING? WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE HEARING.
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PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSIONERS? SO, I, I THINK THIS WAS HASTILY THROWN TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO SEE WHERE IT WOULD LAND AND THE, THE ECONOMIC DATA IS, IS BAD, UM, WHICH IS TYPICAL THE, THE PERSON THAT DID IT.UM, SO I'M, I'M, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL.
YEAH, I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW COMMENTS.
UM, AND I, I'M TORN, I'LL TELL YOU BE IT, THIS IS A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT, NOT JUST THE COMMISSION, BUT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR, WHAT, 10 YEARS, 12 YEARS.
UM, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A UNSUCCESSFUL, UH, VENTURE RIGHT THERE, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT NOW.
I HEAR THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT ROAD NEEDS REPLACED, PERIOD.
IT WAS OUTGROWN FIVE YEARS AGO OR EVEN FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
AND A MINIMUM, THE, THE, THE, THE SHOULDERS NEED TO BE WIDENED.
BUT AGAIN, VDOT IS ENGAGED IN THAT.
UH, AND I HAVE TO TRUST THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S POSITION OF, UH, NOT STRICTLY ADHERING TO THE COMP PLAN, UH, WHICH THEY EX EXHAUSTIVELY REVIEWED THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY.
I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, BUT THEY ALSO SUGGESTED FLEXIBILITY TO HELP SUSTAIN THIS INVESTMENT THAT THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN ZONE DO SINCE 95.
UH, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE REZONING EFFORTS, INITIATIVES, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EVEN APPROVED A, A PROFFER AMENDMENT AT ONE TIME, UH, TO DO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH NEVER CAME TO FRUITION BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT NEVER HAPPENED.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S, AGAIN, A LOT OF EFFORT HAS GONE INTO WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
UH, NOW TWO YEARS OF WORK WENT INTO THE COMP PLAN.
UH, THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON THIS AREA, AS I'D MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY, UH, TALKED ABOUT THE MIXED USE VILLAGE, UH, COMBINING APARTMENTS AND THERE OTHER TYPES OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WITH SHOPPING AND DINING.
BUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED TO HELP THIS STRUGGLING ZONE.
THOSE WORDS ARE ACTUALLY IN A COMP PLAN.
AND I'LL NOTE A COMP PLAN IS, I THINK SOMEBODY MADE THE, THE COMMENT EARLIER, IT'S OUR GUIDELINE.
UM, A COMP PLAN IS AN EXHAUSTED REVIEW PUT TOGETHER BY A VERY LARGE GROUP OF VERY DEDICATED PEOPLE, VERY EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS A TINY PARCEL IN THIS COUNTY.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY IN, IN THE ENTIRE COMMISSION EFFORTS.
I WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT'S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTY.
AND THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SIZE AND SHAPE.
YOU CAN'T JUST PUT ANYTHING ON IT.
UM, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT I THINK SOME OF THE WORK, UH, IN, IN THE APPLICATION IS LACKING.
UM, I THINK THE, UM, UM, NATURAL AND CULTURAL RESOURCE CONSIDERATIONS ARE NOT THOROUGHLY VETTED.
UH, AS PART OF THAT LIGHTING CONCERNS.
I ALWAYS HAVE LIGHTING CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENTS.
I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT ALL OF THIS COMMENT AND, AND INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TONIGHT WILL GO INTO PSYCH PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE NEXT STEPS, UH, IN, IN THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, SO I LOOK AT IT FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT ON LOOKING AT ZONING PERMIT MODIFICATIONS AT, AS IT SAID IN HERE, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY STEP BACK IS.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS A KILN CREEK.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A VERY SPECIFIC, UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT DESIGNED TO ADDRESS A PARTICULAR NICHE THAT WE NEED IN A STRUGGLING AREA.
UH, THE GROSS ACREAGE OF LAND IS A MITRE DEVELOPMENT CHECK.
CONSIDERATION OF CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDINGS.
CHECK, UH, WE'VE DONE THAT, UH, SUITABILITY FOR POTENTIAL OF THE PROPERTY FOR INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE, IF NOT DEVELOPED AS A MIXED USE PROJECT.
I, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M, I'M GOING THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AS A COMMISSION AND NOT JUST, AGAIN, AS A LARGE SCALE, UH, REVIEW, UH, ESTABLISHING A MIX, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DEVELOP DWELLING UNITS, CHECK, UH, THE ANTICIPATED FISCAL AND SERVICE IMPACT OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, UH, THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.
I'M, I'M, I CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN BEING IN THAT POSITION IN THE PAST, AGREE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE LOW,
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BUT THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WERE GIVEN, NOT BY THE DEVELOPER, BUT BY THE COUNTY.AND THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL, WHEN THEIR RESPONSE BACK WAS THAT BY 2030, BY THE TIME WE'LL HAVE RESIDENCE, THEY WILL LEVEL OUT AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ABSORB.
SO IF THEY SAY THEY CAN MAINTAIN ADDITIONAL 78 OR OR 48, WHATEVER THE NUMBER OF, UM, NEW STUDENTS WOULD BE, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT MANY LESS THAT THEY HAVE TODAY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A NET ZERO IMPACT.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT THROWING MORE STUDENTS IN AN ALREADY BURDENED SYSTEM.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE PROJECTIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE THOSE EXPERTS FOR.
UM, I COULD GO THROUGH AGAIN, A LOT OF IT, BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD CHECK OFF, UM, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE'S MORE POSITIVE FEATURES, IN MY OPINION, IN MY REVIEW OF THIS, AND THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THIS VERY, VERY DEEPLY, UM, MORE POSITIVE FEATURES TO THIS APPLICATION THAN THERE ARE NEGATIVE.
UM, MOST OF WHICH COME FROM OUR SUBJECTIVE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS A GUIDELINE FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
BUT IT IS BUILT FOR FLEXIBILITY WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE SMART WITH THE USE, LOOK AT ALL OF THE PIECES, AND NOT JUST AT, AT COMPARING IT TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, BUT LOOK AT THE NET RESULT AS A POSITIVE FOR THE COUNTY IN GENERAL.
IT'S GOOD FOR THE CURRENT USE AT MARQUEE.
IT ADDS CONVENIENT AND ACCESS TO NEEDED SERVICES AND EXPANDS OUR HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT IS LACKING, THAT COULD SUPPORT CHEAT MANX CAMP PERRY.
ANY OTHER POTENTIAL AND FUTURE NEEDS OF THAT AREA THAT IS LACKING? SO THE END RESULT TO ME WOULD BE AN ADDITION OF MORE TOWN HOMES WITH A POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT, UH, TO THE COUNTY IN GENERAL.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I, I FEEL SUPPORTED OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS A UNIQUE CONSIDERATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
I, I THINK, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ALWAYS HAS BEEN CHALLENGING, UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHEN DOES THE COMMERCIAL PART COME IN, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE RESIDENTIAL? SO I HEARD, UH, SOMEBODY SAID SHEETS WOULD NOT COME IN UNTIL 80% OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT.
I ALSO HEARD THAT IT WOULD COME IN IMMEDIATELY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE PARKING ISSUES.
'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE TOWN HOME ISSUES BEFORE WHERE PARKING HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AND IT'S, IT GETS CROWDED.
IT, IT GETS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, UH, CUMBERSOME A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT QUESTIONING THE, UH, THE, THE FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I, I HEAR LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT BUILT? UH, THE FACT THAT WE JUST CELEBRATED 250 YEARS.
WE CAN ALL BUY THE PROPERTY AND DO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE WITH IT, UH, IF THAT'S, UH, OUR CHOICE.
BUT, UH, I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNER'S.
UH, YOU DIDN'T COME AS A HOMEOWNER'S, UH, PRESIDENT, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, AS A, A TENANT OR A, A NEIGHBOR AND A PROPERTY OWNER THERE.
SO, I, I AGREE EXACTLY WITH WHAT JP SAID.
IT'S A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN SCALED DOWN FROM, FROM WHAT ITS INITIAL USE WAS.
AND, AND, UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
UH, MR. SMITH, YOU REFER TO THIS, UH, AS A LITTLE BIT OF A, A TORN SITUATION.
I, I KIND OF FEEL THAT AS WELL.
I'VE, I'VE PUT SOME TIME INTO THIS AND, UM, YEAH, THERE'S A DIFFICULTY THERE IN A BALANCE.
MAINTAINING THAT BALANCE IS IDEAL TAKING WITH THE GREAT ASSAULTS, THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT 2040 PLAN TO BE PERFECTLY WRITTEN.
OF COURSE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, RIGHT OUT OF THE RIGHT OUTTA THAT PLAN THAT THE, WHILE THE ADDITIONAL 447 HOUSING, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, BUT IT'S REFERRING TO THE SAME AREA.
WHILE THE ADDITIONAL 4 47 HOUSING UNITS WILL CERTAINLY BRING MORE BUSINESS TO THE STORES OF THE MARQUEE, THERE'RE PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO REVERSE THE SHOPPING CENTERS DOWNWARD PY SPIRAL.
UM, AND THEN IT GOES ON TO REFER TO, UH, IRONICALLY, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE WEAK DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THE LOW DENSITY POPULATION AROUND THE CENTER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A CATCH 22.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD IN ANY, IN ANY SORT OF SENSE.
UM, BUT IT IS ALSO THE PLAN'S A GUIDELINE.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING, UH, THEIR, THEIR VIEWS IN THE HISTORICAL, UH, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, ALWAYS LOVELY TO REALLY SEE YORK COUNTY.
WE REALLY SEEM TO LEAN INTO OUR HISTORICAL VALUES, UM, PRETTY HARD.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, THAT'S A LITTLE LEFT OVER FROM THE 4TH OF JULY, BUT NO, I, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT NONETHELESS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO THE SAME TIME THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IS MANY YEARS DOWN IN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
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YOU'VE GOTTA BALANCE THAT, RIGHT, AND THE REASONABLENESS TO IT.AND, UH, AND I, I DID ASK ABOUT THAT GAS STATION IN THAT REGARD, SINCE IT IS THE ONLY ITEM THAT SEEMED TO CARRY THROUGH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING GAS STATIONS, AND WE HAD A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY MENTIONED DIFFICULTY OF THE TRANSITION TO ANOTHER ONE.
UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A GAS STATION RATE AT THAT, AT THAT LOCATION.
BUT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE GREATER ISSUE BEING, UH, THE INTRODUCTION OF THE, OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF IT.
SO, UM, COMFORT TO A SIMPLE ANSWER HERE.
I, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE, AND, UH, THANKS FOR MAKING THIS, THIS FIRST MEETING, UH, OF MINE.
A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING IN THAT REGARD.
BUT, UH, YEAH, NO, NO, NO PROBLEMS THERE.
UM, AGAIN, I, I JUST APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S, UH, SUBMISSION AS WELL AND ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON YOUR PART AS WELL.
UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION THAT THE TEAM GAVE TODAY, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS WHO GOT UP AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF WHATEVER THEY FELT AND BELIEVED AT THAT POINT.
UM, I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH DEMONSTRATED IN THIS PROPOSAL FOR ME TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE.
NOW, PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME WHEN I SIT UP THERE IS GONNA BE SURPRISED.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS.
I DO NOT PARTICULARLY LIKE PDMU UH, DEVELOPMENTS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY EVER TURNED OUT THE WAY THEY ARE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED OR REASONABLY PUT FORWARD.
BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REASONABLE APPROACH TO THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND.
AND THEY ADDRESSED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, THAT WERE, UH, BROUGHT UP IN THE 2324, UH, PROPOSAL.
SO, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
WELL, I TOO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT FROM, FROM, FROM EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
UH, IT IS, UH, IT'S, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND I'M KIND OF TORN MYSELF.
UM, CULTURAL, NATURAL THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR OUR COUNTY AND OUR HISTORY.
AND I, I LOOK AT THAT AS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ABIDE BY.
UH, BUT I SEE POSITIVES OF THIS DOCUMENT, AND I SEE SOME CONCERNS IN THIS DOCUMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION HERE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M ASKING, I I JUST WANNA MAKE TWO CLARIFICATIONS REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU GUYS DO YOUR VOTE.
UM, 'CAUSE UH, THE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY AND, AND, AND, AND THE SAFETY THERE.
SO I WILL, I WILL NOTE, AND WE DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THIS TOO MUCH AS STAFF, BUT THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO PUT STREETLIGHTS ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, AND THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT ROAD, UH, BY CHANGING OUT THE SIGNS, WORKING WITH VDOT TO DO THAT.
SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT THEY DID PUT IN THERE.
WE DIDN'T REALLY HIGHLIGHT THAT TOO MUCH, BUT I KNOW IT CAME UP FROM THE CITIZENS, UM, FROM THAT.
AND, UM, MS. CARNER DID SAY THIS WHEN SHE WAS UP THERE, BUT THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY VDOT.
UM, THEY DID APPROVE IT ON TUESDAY, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY.
SO, SO YES, THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS WERE AWARE THERE ARE THOSE ELEMENTS IN, IN THEIR PROFFERS FOR THAT.
TOM, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I'LL MOVE.
THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO ADOPT PC 26 DASH 17 TO CLASSIFY A PORTION OF 200 WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY FROM EO TO PDMU.
WITH THAT, WE GOT ANY OLD BUSINESS? NO OLD BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS? NO NEW BUSINESS.
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OH, WAIT.CAN I JUST, UH, I, WE HAD, I THOUGHT AS AN OLD BUSINESS ITEM, UH, TALKING ABOUT, UH, TIME OF OUR MEETING.
SO AT THE LAST MEETING I HAD SAID, UM, THAT, UH, THAT YOUR BYLAWS KIND OF OUTLINED THE TIMEFRAME AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
HOWEVER, UM, AND I HAD SUGGESTED MAYBE WE CHANGE THE BYLAWS, UH, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
BUT AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, WITH, WITH OUR DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, SHE, SHE DID SAY IF YOU WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE YOUR TIME, YOU COULD MAKE THAT VOTE TONIGHT
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AND, AND MAKE THAT CHANGE.UM, BUT WE ALSO THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR BYLAWS IN THE FUTURE.
SO MAYBE IF, UH, YOU ALL WERE, UM, OPEN TO CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE TO KINDA LOOK AT THOSE BYLAWS, IT WOULD BE GREAT, I THINK TO KIND OF UPDATE THEM.
I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT 10 YEARS SINCE WE UPDATED HIM.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CHANGE OUR TIME TO 6:00 PM AND ALSO FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE BYLAWS? I AGREE.
WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
I'LL START WITH 6:00 PM THERE WE GO.
6:00 PM DO YOU WANNA VOTE? WANNA DISCUSS UP OR YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT? DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL THROW A COMMENT.
UM, I, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING IT THAT EARLY, UM, FROM THE COUNTY RESIDENT AVAILABILITY STANDPOINT, THIS POINT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAST TIME YOU'VE GONE UP 17, BUT IF YOU'RE COMING HOME FROM WORK AND IF YOU PLAN ON ATTENDING THIS IN PERSON OR EVEN ONLINE, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE A HUGE AUDIENCE FOR HOW EXCITING OUR MEETINGS ARE, BUT I, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN IN OTHER ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE DONE JUST THAT.
THEY, WE'VE BACKED UP THE TIME FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE GROUP FOR THE MOST PART.
AND WE LOST A LOT OF ATTENDANCE BECAUSE OF THAT.
I WOULD, SIX 30 IS ABOUT AS EARLY AS I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH TRYING TO PUSH THAT TWO, BUT I'M STILL FINE WITH SEVEN O'CLOCK.
I THINK, AGAIN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF OUR CITIZENS AND ACCESS TO US.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT TIME WAS THERE FOR A REASON.
BUT THAT'S
THE, THE SIX 30 CONVERSATION REGARDING CITIZENS AS WELL.
SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT THE BYLAWS AND TABLE CHANGING IT TILL OUR NEWEST MEMBERS HAVE A CHANCE TO ATTEND A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND THEN, AND THEN LOOK AT IT.
SO I, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHT ON IT IS LET'S NOT CHANGE IT RIGHT OFF THE BAT AND LET THE NEW MEMBERS AND MAYBE FORM THE COMMITTEE TO, TO LOOK AT IT.
AND, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S TALKED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON US CHANGING THIS MEETING EITHER, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT ALL THEIR PUBLIC HEARINGS START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER, SO THAT, THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND I'M, AND I'VE NOT BEEN ON THIS THAT LONG, BUT I JUST WOULD SUGGEST WE HOLD BACK A LITTLE BIT.
SOME PEOPLE CAN I CHANGE MY MOTION TO, UH, FORM A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE BYLAWS AND INCLUDE THE TIME CHANGE? EVERYBODY AGREE OR WE WANT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A VOTE TO FORM A COMMITTEE, SO I THINK YOU'RE OKAY.
I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER.
WHO'S GONNA, WHO'S GONNA BE IN? WE'VE GOT TWO NEW FOLKS.
THE, I CAN DO ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
JEFF, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? FIVE BYLAWS FOR THIS, JEFF.
WE GOT FOUR PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
WELL, UM, WELL I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED THAT IF WE GO ABOVE TWO, WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HAVING TO ADVERTISE.
SO I WOULD SAY JUST, JUST TWO, PLEASE.
WHO WANTS TO FIGHT IT OUT? I'LL PUT MY NAME IN THE HAT.
WHO'S GOT THE HISTORY HERE? ALRIGHT.
AND THANKS AGAIN FOR STEPPING UP AS VICE CHAIR AND, AND TO TOM FOR SERVING AS CHAIR AND, AND FOR MR. BROOKS FOR PLEASURE LEADERSHIP.
SO WE HAVE MR. BORELLI AND MR. SMITH.
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REPORTS.ALRIGHT, SO, UH, WANTED TO JUST GIVE A BIG WELCOME TO MR. BUTLER AND MR. BORELLI.
UM, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE THEM COME ON BOARD.
UH, WE HAD REALLY GOOD ORIENTATION.
UM, UH, MR. BLEY, I THINK YOU HOLD THE RECORD FOR THE LONGEST, UH, ORIENTATION I'VE EVER GIVEN TO A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
UM, AND WE HAD TO, AND I HAD TO CUT YOU OFF BECAUSE I HAD TO GO TO A MEETING, SO I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN LONGER, BUT I MEAN, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT, UM, WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS WHO'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT SERVING, UM, IN A VOLUNTARY CAPACITY.
UH, YOU ALL HAD SOME GREAT QUESTIONS FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING AND WOW, WHAT A FIRST MEETING YOU HAD.
UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR STEPPING UP AND, AND HOPING TO SERVE YOUR COMMITTEE.
WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE IT AS STAFF, UH, KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.
ANYTIME YOU NEED US, JUST GIVE US A CALL, SHOOT US AN EMAIL.
UM, AND I'M SURE THE, THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE BEEN ON HERE A FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU TOO, IF YOU EVER HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON IN A MEETING OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT TOO.
I'M SURE THEY WILL WILL TELL YOU THEMSELVES.
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THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT, UM, I'LL JUST REPORT THE, UM, APPLICATIONS WERE RECENTLY APPROVED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, DR.GOULD'S APPLICATION FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON HORNSBY ROAD THAT WAS APPROVED AFTER SOME VERY, UH, INTERESTING DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE BOARD MEMBERS.
IT WAS A THREE TWO VOTE, UH, FOR HIS APPROVAL.
UM, AND THEY ACTUALLY SWITCHED IT TO A WHOLE HOUSE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR HIM.
SO EARL I WAS GONNA ASK YOU 'CAUSE I WATCHED THAT.
ARE THEY CHANGING THEIR POLICY? I DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MORE SOLIDIFY IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE'LL WE WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED AS THAT, UH, AS WE HEAR FROM THEM ON WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THERE.
UM, MR. BENDLE, UM, HAD KIND OF AN ACCELERATED APPLICATION, BUT HIS APPLICATION WAS APPROVED ALSO FOR INDUSTRY DRIVE TO MOVE HIS AUTO REPAIR GARAGE THERE.
AND THEN LASTLY AT THE BOARD MEETING WAS THE INPATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT CENTERS MOVING THOSE INTO, UM, BRINGING THAT USE INTO THE ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED ALSO BY THE BOARD.
UM, ONE OF YOUR APPLICATIONS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE JULY MEETING THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL IN, UM, MIDDLETOWN FARM THAT WAS ACTUALLY WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, AFTER SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT WASN'T AUTHORIZED THAT WE COULD FIT, FIND EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS AN ACTUAL ACCESSORY APARTMENT.
UM, SO SHE'S GOING TO, UH, GO BACK, WITHDRAW FROM THAT AND, AND COME BACK TO YOU MORE THAN LIKELY WITH A REQUEST TO MAKE IT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE MIKE'S TOWING AND THE UM, OTHER AMENDMENT TO THE CARGO SHEDS, THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO THE BOARD, UM, ON THE 21ST OF THIS MONTH.
UM, OTHER THINGS OF NOTE, YOU HAVE ONE APPLICATION FOR YOUR AUGUST AGENDA.
IT IS FOR A TOWING OPERATION OFF PRODUCTION DRIVE.
SO WHERE THIS AUTO, WHERE MR. BENDELL'S AUTO REPAIR GARAGE WAS IS NOW COMING IN FOR AN APPLICATION FOR A TOWING SERVICE.
UM, AND THEN JUST A NOTE FOR SITE PLANS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING FOR YOU.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH POCAHONTAS TRAIL, UM, OR KINGS MILL AREA, UH, WHERE THE OLD, UH, I THINK IT WAS A KFC TACO BELL MIX STORE, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING A PANERA IN THERE.
UM, SO THEY'VE SUBMITTED THEIR SITE PLAN FOR THAT SITE.
UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED SITE PLAN FOR LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB'S EXPANSION.
I KNOW THAT'S MR. BUTLER'S HEART, UH,
HE HAD SPOKEN AT THE BOARD MEETING ABOUT THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT APPLICATION HAS COME IN TO PUT IN THE, UM, THE INDOOR FIRING RANGE AND TO MOVE THE SHOTGUN RANGE A LITTLE FURTHER SOUTH.
AND THEN LASTLY, UM, WE, WE GOT THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR THE SHEETS APPLICATION.
UM, THEY'RE ON, UM, ROUTE 17 AT FORT S BOULEVARD.
SO WE'LL BE REVIEWING THAT SOON.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE, YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, UM, VERY MUCH, UH, WEL WELCOME TO THE NEW MEMBERS.
WE ARE VERY HAPPY YOU'RE HERE.
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REPORTS? NO, I THINK WE'RE ADJOURNED.