Jun 02, 2026 Board of Supervisors Work Session

WE BEGIN THE WORK SESSIONS.

[C.1. Virginia Peninsula Community College Update. Presentation by Tracey L. Wright, Director of Campus and Community Initiatives for the Historic Triangle and Marc Vernon, Director of Financial Aid, Scholarships and Military Veterans Services.]

UM, I'LL CALL ON MARK BELLAMY TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE FIRST TOPIC, VIRGINIA PENINSULA COMMUNITY COLLEGE UPDATE.

UH, TODD ESTES, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF WORK FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT FROM VIRGINIA PENINSULA COMMUNITY COLLEGES IS HERE AS LONG AS WELL AS MARK VERNON IS HERE.

CALL BOTH OF THOSE UP.

UH, TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION.

THEY'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE TAG TEAM.

AND I DIDN'T WANT, UH, MRS. WRIGHT TO GO UNNOTICED OVER HERE.

SHE MADE THE TRIP TONIGHT, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW SHE WAS HERE AS WELL.

WHERE WAS HERE? YES, SIR.

WELL, WE REALLY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL HAVING US HERE TONIGHT, UH, AND, AND OFFERING A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR TIME TO PROVIDE A COLLEGE UPDATE.

UH, SO AGAIN, I'M TODD ESTES, AND AND WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME UPDATES ON THE STATE OF THE COLLEGE AND, AND WE'RE GONNA OFFER SOME KEY FACTS.

UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THEM.

UH, IT'S AN INFORMAL FOR US.

IT'S INFORMAL FOR US.

OTHERWISE WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION AFTER THE FACT.

UM, WE ADVANCE ONE.

GREAT.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO REPORT THE COLLEGE IS IN GOOD HEALTH, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO ACADEMIC ENROLLMENT.

SO, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THE COLLEGE HAS GAINED ACADEMIC ENROLLMENT FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS.

WE'RE ON TRACK FOR A THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR, AND THAT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL.

UH, 'CAUSE WE HAD BEEN ON A DOWNWARD TREND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND SO TO REVERSE THAT TREND, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND, AND JUST SO WE KNOW, TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, COMMUNITY COLLEGES NATIONALLY HAVE BEEN ON A DOWNWARD TREND IN ENROLLMENT FOR OVER A DECADE.

UH, AND SO, SO VPCC HAD BEEN PART OF THAT TREND, AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY THAT WE ARE NOW REVERSING THAT TREND.

SO ACADEMIC ENROLLMENTS ARE STRONG.

UH, WE ATTRIBUTE THAT TO A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT, THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO INCREASE COMMUNITY AWARENESS, CONNECTION WITH OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS.

UH, AND, AND AS WELL AS INITIATIVES MAKE IT EASIER TO ACCESS OUR SERVICES, UH, FINANCIAL AID, ENROLLMENT, ADVISING AND THE LIKE.

SO WE'RE REALLY THRILLED TO REPORT THAT WE ARE IN GOOD HEALTH WHEN IT COMES TO ACADEMIC ENROLLMENT.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHOWING YOU HAVE 6,600 AND CHANGE, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY ENROLLED, BUT YOU EQUATE THAT TO 3,600 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT.

SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS CONSIDER A FULL, FULL-TIME? SO FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT.

AND YOU'VE GOT BAKED IN THERE.

AND BAKED IN THERE IS DUAL ENROLLMENT AS WELL, WHICH I'LL COVER ONCE TODD'S FINISHED.

AND THAT FTE CALCULATION IS A TYPICAL HIGHER EDUCATION CALCULATION.

AND THAT'S REALLY, UH, ALSO HOW WE ARE FUNDED, UH, THROUGH THE STATE.

SO OUR STATE LEVEL ALLOCATION IS BASED ON FTE.

SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A TERM THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT OKAY.

TO US.

AND YOU BASE THAT ON NUMBER OF CREDITS.

AND SO OUR HEAD COUNT WILL TYPICALLY BE MUCH LARGER THAN FTE 'CAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF PART-TIME STUDENTS AS WELL.

SO, OKAY.

ON YOUR, YOUR, UH, EXPLANATION OF THE INCREASE, UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE FALL OF 22 WAS KIND OF A LOW POINT, I GUESS.

AND, UH, THEN YOU STARTED GOING UP, WHAT I HEARD, I HEARD YOU DID PROGRAMMING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

UM, THAT DOESN'T, TO ME EQUATE TO ANYTHING THAT DRIVES ENROLLMENT.

I MEAN, IT JUST, IT DOES MAKE PEOPLE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MAKING PEOPLE AWARE, BUT, UH, I MEAN, UNLESS THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING OUTSIDE THE, UH, HAMPTON ROADS AREA, UH, AND PULLING IN PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE, I DON'T SEE THAT, AND I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS A DRIVER.

SO SURE.

THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING REALLY DRIVING PEOPLE TO WANT TO GO TO THE COLLEGE.

WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A A FAIR QUESTION.

OF COURSE IT IS.

NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES ON THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION, RIGHT? SO COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS NOT, BPCC IS NOT THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE PROVIDERS, THERE'S A LOT OF UNIVERSITY PROVIDERS AS WELL.

AND SO IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ONE, WE CONNECT WITH STUDENTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND OUR PROGRAMMING AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF A COMMUNITY COLLEGE EDUCATION.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.

IT, IT IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE MAKE IT EASY FOR STUDENTS TO ACCESS OUR SERVICES.

YOU KNOW, A FOUR YEAR INSTITUTION OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MEATY HERE TO, TO UNDERSTAND.

SO, SO IF OUR STUDENTS DON'T KNOW, KNOW WHAT PROGRAMS WE OFFER, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE FINANCIAL AID, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I STUDENTS I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS WHAT ARE YOU DOING DIFFERENT NOW THAT YOU DID, THAT YOU WEREN'T DOING IN 22? WHAT KIND ARE YOU OFFERING SOMETHING REALLY SOME PARTICULAR INTERESTING COURSES TO SET PEOPLE UP TO GO TO ANOTHER,

[00:05:01]

AND, AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE.

SO, SO WE HAVE PUT IN TO PLACE SOME TRANSFER PROGRAMS WITH OUR LOCAL UNIVERSITIES TO MENTION.

THAT'S BIG.

SO, SO WE HAVE PARTNERSHIPS, AGREEMENT, UH, AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH CNU AND WILLIAM MARY, WHICH IS A BIG DRIVER IN TRANSFER EDUCATION.

UH, WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT DON'T WE DON'T, WE HAVE THIS ALL OVER THE STATE OF VIRGINIA WHERE IF YOU GO TO THE, 'CAUSE THESE ARE STATE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? THEY ARE.

SO PART OF THE PROGRAMS, YOU GO TO THE, UH, THE TWO YEAR, UH, MAYBE GET YOUR ASSOCIATE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER PREP YOU NEED.

THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE A PRIORITY FOR, I MEAN, ONE OF THE FOUR YEAR SCHOOLS IS GONNA PICK YOU UP.

IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, THERE ARE POLICIES THAT APPLY TO ALL PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES WHERE, WHERE IF YOU COMPLETE AN ASSOCIATIVE SCIENCE DEGREE THAT YOU COME IN AS A JUNIOR THAT IS CODIFIED.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THAT SAID, EACH OF YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGES DO NOT OFFER IDENTICAL PROGRAMMING.

NOR DO THEY HAVE THE SAME AGREEMENTS WITH THEIR LOCAL PARTNERS.

SO, SO WE HAVE PUT INTO PLACE AGREEMENTS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR STUDENTS TO NEGOTIATE THAT TRANSFER.

AND THEY ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO TAP INTO ADDITIONAL SERVICES THROUGH UNIVERSITIES.

CU IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.

SO OUR STUDENTS CAN ACTUALLY UTILIZE CAREER SERVICES AT CNU BEFORE THEY'RE ADMITTED AT CU IF THEY'RE ON THAT TRANSFER PATHWAY.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THE, TO HELP 'EM TO GO TO CU IF THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

SO, SO, AND, BUT I WANNA UNDERSTAND, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S THE PART ABOUT, UH, THE, THE WHAT'S SOMETHING HAS GOT TO DRIVE THIS INCREASE COST.

COST IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, OR SOME WAY DEFLECT THE COST OR SOME PROGRAM LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE BRIEFING US ON THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS THE MEETING PARTS.

IT TALKS ABOUT WHY THIS STUFF IS HAPPENING, MAN, GREAT QUESTION.

LET ME INTERJECT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF MOVING PARTS HERE, AND TODD ALLUDED TO IT.

FALL 2020 PANDEMIC.

YOU SEE THAT'S THE LOW POINT.

WE'RE GRADUALLY BUILDING BACK UP FROM THE PANDEMIC.

WHAT WE DID IN CONJUNCTION, IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

AS TODD SAID, WE INCREASED DUAL ENROLLMENT.

SO THOSE ARE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF VPCC FOR FREE.

WE DON'T CHARGE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

SO THERE'S A DEAL, WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN MILITARY.

SO OUR, OUR SPOUSES, OUR DEPENDENTS AND OUR ACTIVE AND AND VETERANS, OUR ENROLLMENT HAS GROWN IN THE MILITARY POPULATION.

TODD'S DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'VE SEEN A HUGE INCREASE IN TRADES.

PEOPLE GOING BACK TO GET NEW CAREERS BECAUSE THE PANDEMIC MAY HAVE SHIFTED THEIR LIFESTYLE OR THEIR, THEIR CAREERS.

THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING.

WOULD YOU AGREE? OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND FOR THE SAKE OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION, IT IT, WE WERE ASKED TO HOLD TO A RELATIVELY BRIEF PRESENTATION, HOWEVER, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

THAT THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO, TO, WHILE WE, WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE MEAT LOADS OF LUCK, CHARLIE , THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE, WERE DELAYED.

THIS IS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TOO IN DEPTH IN TOO MANY THINGS.

HOWEVER, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU NEED A AFTER THIS CONVERSATION.

AND WE'LL PROVIDE LOTS OF DETAILS ON THOSE PROGRAMS. UH, CERTAINLY.

I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.

TOM CALCULATOR, , GO AHEAD.

ALRIGHT, SO, SO VBC ENROLLMENT.

THIS JUST GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF BY LOCALITY WHERE OUR ACADEMIC ENROLLMENT LIE.

SO YOU'LL SEE HAMPTON AND NEWPORT NEWS IS THE TWO LARGEST, BUT YOU SEE A REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION THERE IN YOUR COUNTY.

IT'S 16, 16.4%.

SO THIS, THIS IS OUR BREAKOUT BY, BY LOCALITY, BUT ALL OTHERS IS FAIRLY LARGE.

I'M SURPRISED AT THAT.

WHERE ARE YOU HOUSING THEM OR HOW DO YOU HOUSE THEM? SO, SO IT'S A MIXTURE.

SO, SO WE DO HAVE A LARGE REPRESENTATION OF ONLINE STUDENTS, UH, AS WELL AS IN-PERSON STUDENTS.

UH, AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE OUR HAMPTON, OUR MAIN CAMPUSES IN HAMPTON.

WE HAVE OUR HT CAMPUS UP IN WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL OFFSITE LOCATIONS.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.

SO, SO FAST FORWARD.

SO FAST FORWARD, AS MARK JUST ALLUDED TO, THAT IS THE, THE NAME THAT WE PROVIDE TO OUR ACCELERATED WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAMS. SO OUR ACCELERATED WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAMS. SO IN THE POST POST-SECONDARY VERNACULAR, NON-CREDIT PROGRAMS. SO, SO THESE, THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT THE PROGRAMS THAT WE JUST REFERENCED.

THESE ARE ACCELERATED TRAINING PROGRAMS ALIGNED WITH THE INDUSTRY CREDENTIAL.

AND SO THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE DELIVERED IN A VERY SHORT FORM FORMAT STUDENT EARN AN INDUSTRY CREDENTIAL AND BE EMPLOYED VERY SHORTLY THEREAFTER.

SO ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO 16 WEEKS.

THERE ARE SOME STACKABLE PROGRAMS, BUT THEY'RE RELATIVELY BRIEF.

SO ONE THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN MENTIONING TO OUR LOCALITIES, SO, AND MARK ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER IN FY 24 AND 25, WE HAD AT BPCC, WE HAD A 20% GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THOSE TWO CONSECUTIVE YEARS IN ENROLLMENT.

[00:10:01]

AND, AND THAT MATCH IS RELATIVELY COMPARABLE TO THE REST OF THE STATE.

THIS PROGRAMS ARE GROWING ACROSS THE STATE.

AND FY 26, OF WHICH WE'RE AT THE END OF FY 26 RIGHT NOW FOR OUR, FOR, FOR OUR FISCAL YEAR IS WE HAVE CONTRACTED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAD LESS FAST FORWARD FUNDING AVAILABLE TO US.

SO THE WAY THE STATE HELPS FUND THESE PROGRAMS IS THROUGH FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.

SO THE STATE PROVIDES FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE ON A TUITION BASIS.

IS IT, ARE WE, UH, STILL ON THE WORKFORCE TRAINING OR WE YES MA'AM.

ON THE WORKFORCE TRAINING.

AND SO THAT WORKFORCE TRAINING, THEY PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BY STUDENT MM-HMM .

AND, AND THE SIMPLEST WAY TO PUT IT IS THEY'LL PAY DOWN ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE TUITION PER STUDENT WITHIN A FAST FORWARD COURSE.

SO IN FY OUR FY 26, OUR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE WAS MUCH LESS THAN WE HAD IN 25.

AND WHAT THIS CHART ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU IS A STATE LEVEL CHART, BUT WHAT IT SHOWS YOU IS THE VCCS OVERSPENT FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE.

WHY IS IT LESS? WHAT CAUSED IT TO BE LESS? SO FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE YEARS, WE OVERSPENT AT THE STATE LEVEL.

THIS IS THE ANSWER.

AND WHAT HAPPENED IN FFY 26 IS WE WERE TOLD, UH, BY CHEV IN THE GOVERNOR'S ADMINISTRATION IS YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS.

SO WHEN WE OVERSPENT FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME BUDGETARY ADJUSTMENTS WITHIN THE BCCS TO COVER THAT, THAT OVERAGE.

WE WERE TOLD THIS YEAR BY CHEV FOR WHICH THE MONEY FLOWS THROUGH THAT, WE COULD NOT DO THAT.

WE COULD MAKE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.

SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IN FFY 25, WE HAD 33 POINT A HALF MILLION AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND FY 26 WE HAD TO LIVE WITH 23 POINT A HALF.

SO WE HAD A $10 MILLION DEFICIT ACROSS THE STATE THAT DID YOU CAUSE A DEFICIT OR DID THE STATE CAUSE A DEFICIT? WELL, YEAH, .

WELL, YOU COULD SAY, YOU COULD SAY, DUE TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR PROGRAMS, WE, WE, WE'VE OVERSPENT OUR BUDGET RIGHT OVER ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM.

SO, SO YES.

SO, SO WE WERE TRYING TO, TO SERVE AS MANY STUDENTS AS POSSIBLE.

AND SO WE OVER, SO WE SERVED MORE STUDENTS THAN WE COULD AFFORD.

WE MADE IT WHOLE.

AND THEN THEY TOLD US WE COULDN'T DO THAT IN FY 26.

DOES WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT HELP WITH FUND SOME OF THIS, UH, WHEN YOU SAY WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OH, WOW.

WORKFORCE COUNCIL.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND THEY HELPED A LOT IN FY 26.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

SO IN FY 26, THEY FILLED A BIG GAP, ESPECIALLY IN THE MARITIME SPACE.

THAT'S, WELL THAT'S A BIGGIE.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THEY CAME IN AND, AND FUNDED A LOT OF STUDENTS.

HEALTHCARE ON THE OTHER SIDE TOOK A BIGGER HIT 'CAUSE WE HAD LESS FUNDING AVAILABLE.

SO, SO THAT SAID, THAT'S THE BAD NEWS.

GIMME THE GOOD NEWS.

THE GOOD NEWS IS IN FY 27, WE EXPECT TO BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN IF THE STATE BUDGET, UNLESS IT WAS SIGNED TODAY, IF ANYBODY KNOWS, BUT IF, IF THE STATE BUDGET GETS SIGNED AS WE EXPECT IT TO.

SO THE SENATE, THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE BOTH HAVE FAVORABLE BUDGETS FOR FAST FORWARD, MEANING ONE HAS ABOUT 33 POINT A HALF, ONE HAS 40 MILLION.

SO BOTH OF WHICH GET US BACK TO AT LEAST FY 25 FUNDING LEVELS AND, AND SHOWS GROWTH.

SO IN FY 27, MEANING STARTING JULY ONE, WE SHOULD BE BACK INTO THE GROWTH PHASE FOR THESE PROGRAMS. SO WHAT ARE YOUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS? GREAT QUESTION.

SO PRIMARILY AT OUR COLLEGE, OUR BIG SECTOR, OUR TWO BIGGEST SECTORS ARE SKILLED TRADES WITH HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY MARITIME AND HEALTHCARE.

WE ALSO DO SOME IT AND BUSINESS AND, AND AND THE LIKE.

BUT OUR BIGGEST TWO INDUSTRY SECTORS ARE MARITIME SKILL TRADES IN HEALTHCARE, WELL, HEALTHCARE BEING PRE NURSING TRAINING OR HEALTH AND YOU KNOW, AND DOCTOR, YES MA'AM.

SO, SO CERTIFIED NURSE AID.

UH, CERTIFIED NURSE AID, CERTIFIED MEDICAL ASSISTANT CERTIFIED MEDICAL ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, EKG TECH, UH, MEDICAL BILLING AND CODING, UHHUH .

AND THEN ONCE THEY COMPLETE THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HIRED OR WILL THEY BE HIRED? SO WE WORK VERY HARD AT THE COLLEGE.

'CAUSE THE SUCCESS METRIC IS THE JOB, NOT THE TRAINING.

YES, OF COURSE.

AND, AND SO WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD AT THE COLLEGE TO CONNECT THEM WITH EMPLOYERS, OUR LOCAL EMPLOYERS.

SO WE INVITE EMPLOYERS INTO THE CLASSROOM, UH, AND, AND, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO EMPLOYERS, UH, UH, WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE TRAINING.

THE COLLEGE IS ALSO INCREASING INVESTMENT IN THAT SPACE.

FOR NEXT YEAR, WE'RE CREATING A NEW CAREER SERVICES DEPARTMENT, A NEW DIRECTOR OF CAREER SERVICES AS WELL DO AGAIN.

SO, UH, OF THE STUDENTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE YOU WERE ABLE TO HAVE YET HIRED? SO I DO NOT HAVE THE PERCENTAGE BY PROGRAM.

UH, WHAT I DO HAVE IS WE GET A WAGE SUMMARY THROUGH OUR SYSTEM ON, ON A QUARTERLY BASIS THAT SHOWS THE WAGE GAINS FOR OUR COHORTS OF STUDENTS.

IT IS AVERAGE OVER A TWO TO FIVE YEAR COHORT.

WITH THE NEW HORIZONS RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WE'RE NEIGHBOR NOW NEXT DOOR, I MEAN SURE.

BUT CONSISTENTLY ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE, ARE OUR GRADUATES FROM PRE, PRE INCOME TO POST INCOME SURE.

IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, UH, WITH AN AVERAGE.

SO VPCC AVERAGE IS ABOUT 89%, UH, HIGHER PRE VERSUS POST IN WAGE GAINS.

DO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IN, IN THIS ASPECT Y'ALL DO SIMILAR TO WHAT NEW HORIZONS THE, IS THERE PARTNERSHIP COLLABORATION THERE? DO YOU DO GO YOUR OWN WAYS? WE ON CAMPUS

[00:15:01]

TO BE OUT THE RELATIONSHIP AND, AND THERE IS SOME OVERLAP, BUT WE DO WORK VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, NET THROUGH THE NETWORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH OTHER IS DOING.

SO WE'RE BOTH DOING WELDING BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY WELDING JOBS IN OUR REGION THAT THEY NEED BOTH OF US TO DO WELDING, UH, THEY DO APPRENTICESHIP RELATED INSTRUCTION.

WE ALSO DO SOME.

BUT, BUT SO WE, WE HAVE AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION.

THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S SOME REDUNDANCY, BUT NOT IN SPACES WHERE IT'S NOT NEEDED IS WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT.

DOES THE COLLEGE, IS IT, UH, DOES IT PROVIDE PREP FOR, UM, JUST THE LIBERAL ARTS AND WHEN YOU GO TO A FOUR YEAR, FOUR YEAR, GO TO A FOUR YEAR DEGREE.

SO WHEN YOU COME, BECAUSE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF, UH, THE JUNIOR COLLEGE AS A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO GET THROUGH COLLEGE.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T COME OUT WITH SUCH A HUGE BILL AT THE END.

SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR STUDENTS ACTUALLY ARE TRANSFER STUDENTS, WHICH, SO WHETHER IT'S LIBERAL ARTS OR SCIENCE OR BUSINESS, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED TRANSFER DEGREES.

AND SO THEY ARE DESIGNED TO TRANSFER TO UNIVERSITIES, TO YOUR POINT WHERE ROUGHLY A ONE THIRD OF THE TUITION COST OF A UNIVERSITY.

SO IT ABSOLUTELY IS, IS A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO BECOME A JUNIOR AT A LOCAL UNIVERSITY.

BUT, UH, REQUIRED COURSES AS A FRESHMAN YES.

TO HELP COVER THIS.

YES, MA'AM.

GET, YOU GET LIKE AN AA DEGREE WHEN RIGHT.

YOU STILL DO AA DEGREES.

SO ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY, MECHANICAL ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

SO YOU DO AN AA DEGREE, THEN YOU GO TO GET YOUR BA OUT OF A, OUT OF THE FOUR YEAR INSTITUTION.

YES, YES.

WE ALSO, WE ALSO OFFER WHAT WE WERE ED AS DEFINED SCIENCE DEGREES.

SO THOSE DEGREES ARE NOT INTENDED TO TRANSFER, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE OCCUPATIONALLY SPECIFIC.

SO, SO WE HAVE A PRETTY WIDE DIVERSITY OF, OF OFFERINGS.

INTERESTING.

GO AHEAD SIR.

I THINK WE'RE FINISHED WITH OUR QUESTIONS.

I HOPE SO.

10 MINUTES.

I KNEW YOU WERE GONNA SAY THAT.

THEY GOT A BUNCH OF SLIDES TO GO SEE.

I LOOKED AT YOU.

HOLD ALL YOUR QUESTIONS SO QUICKLY.

SO, SO REAL, REAL QUICKLY.

SO THIS JUST SHOWS OUR ENROLLMENT BY LOCALITY.

SO YOU WILL SEE, SO AGAIN, HAMPTON, NEW NEWPORT NEWS, AND THIS IS FOR FAST FORWARD.

SO THE PREVIOUS PIE CHART I SHOWED YOU WAS ACADEMICS.

THIS IS FOR OUR WORKFORCE TRAINING.

YOU'LL SEE THAT YOUR COUNTY'S AN OPPORTUNITY SPACE FOR US.

SO WE, SO THESE ARE FI 25 NUMBERS AND WE SERVE 72.

SO GO AHEAD, MARK.

NOW IT'S MY TURN.

DUAL ENROLLMENT.

SO THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE, AS I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, WHEN MR. SHEARD ASKED ABOUT HOW THE GROWTH WAS COMING ABOUT, LOOK AT THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS MM-HMM .

YOU SEE THAT DRASTIC INCREASE BECAUSE FAMILIES ARE GETTING WISE AND THEY REALIZE GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE, COLLEGE EXPENSIVE.

WE CHARGE $170 A CREDIT.

YOU GO ACROSS TOWN TO THE FOUR YEAR INSTITUTION, IT'S OVER $500 A CREDIT.

WELL, PEOPLE ARE SMART AND THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.

SO THERE'S A GOOD TREND NOW.

SAME THING, THIS CHART.

THE NEXT CHART SHOWS IT EXACTLY WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE REVENUE AND HOW WE'RE MAKING FROM 21.

LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE.

IT'S, IT'S DRAMATIC.

SAME THING HERE, YORK COUNTY, YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH PATTERN JUST IN YOUR COUNTY ALONE PRODUCING MORE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OPPORTUNITY.

AND WE DO EXPECT THAT TREND TO CONTINUE THERE.

THERE WAS A LAW CHANGE, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS A RECENT LAW CHANGE FOR DUAL ENROLLMENT THAT NOW SAYS THAT EVERY HIGH SCHOOL WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH VIRGINIA HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM LEVEL OF DUAL ENROLLMENT OFFERINGS.

SO, SO THERE HAVE BEEN HIGH SCHOOLS IN THE STATE THAT DIDN'T OFFER DUAL ENROLLMENT.

THAT'S NO LONGER EVEN ALLOWED.

OH.

SO ALL OF OUR LOCALITIES ARE GROWING IN DUAL ENROLLMENT.

DUAL ENROLLMENT.

SO DUAL ENROLLMENT IS, IT'S A-V-P-C-C COURSE THAT YOU RECEIVE VPCC CREDIT, BUT IS MOST OFTEN TAUGHT AT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL BY A LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER MM-HMM .

THAT IS CERTIFIED TO TEACH BY THE COLLEGE.

SO THAT, THAT'S THE MOST TYPICAL MODEL FOR GOOGLE.

SO WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE STUDENT? SO THEY GET ACADEMIC CREDIT, SO THEY'LL GET VPCC COLLEGE CREDIT.

SO, AND WE HAVE STUDENTS IN LOCALITIES THAT COMPLETE AN ENTIRE ASSOCIATE DEGREE.

SO WE JUST HAD A COMMENCEMENT CEREMONY WHERE WE HAD SOME, SOME, I THINK IT WAS HAMPTON HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS YES, SIR.

WHO HAD COMPLETED AN ASSOCIATE DEGREE BEFORE THEY GRADUATED FROM HIGH, THEY HADN'T COMMENCED YET.

SO WHEN THEY GRADUATE WITH THEIR HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA, THOUGH, HAVE AN ASSOCIATE DEGREE, WHICH WILL ALLOW THEM TO TRANSFER INTO UNIVERSITY AS A JUNIOR.

SO THEY COME OUT AS AN RIGHT AWAY, COME OUT AS AN 18-YEAR-OLD GOING IN, ONLY HAVE TWO YEARS OF COLLEGE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

MY, MY MY FRIEND HIS SON JUST DID THAT.

WELL I KNOW I, I'D HEARD, I HAD HEARD, UH, THIS YEAR THAT THAT HAPPENED THAT SOME, SOME CHILDREN OVER IN YORK AND UH, THAT'S, THAT'S AWESOME.

YES, HE IS VERY GOOD.

HE ACTUALLY HAD TWO GRADUATIONS, A HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION AND HIS VIRGINIA AL COLLEGE GRADUATION.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND LIGHT YOUR HAIR ON FIRE.

WELL MAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY HERE.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIGHT YOUR HAIR ON FIRE AND THEN COME OUT THE OTHER END WITH A HUGE DEBT.

FROM THE FOUR YEAR INSTITUTIONS ON THE, THE SUCCESS RATE OF THESE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS? WE DO.

UH, BUT SO, UM, SO DO YOU GET FEEDBACK

[00:20:01]

AND, AND WE, WE, WE FIND THAT THEY ARE AS EQUIVALENT, IF NOT STRONGER IN RETENTION TO, TO THE NATIVE FRESHMENS THAT START AT THE FOUR YEAR UNIVERSITIES.

AND SO THAT'S WHY OUR FOUR UNIVERSITIES ARE, ARE, ARE VERY EAGER TO WORK WITH THIS.

OF COURSE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THE SAME SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DRIVE ENROLLMENT AS WELL.

BUT OUR UNIVERSITIES ARE, ARE VERY WELCOMING TO OUR STUDENTS.

INTERESTING.

I WOULD THINK THERE'S HIGH SCHOOLS OR THEY'RE FAST TRACKING.

THEY'RE PRETTY SHARP PEOPLE.

THEY'RE NOT YEAH.

THEY'RE NOT LAYING AROUND DOING NOTHING.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON FIRE.

OH YEAH.

YOU GET THEIR DEGREE.

WELL YOU GOTTA, YEAH.

YOU GET THE WORKLOAD PROBABLY STILL GOTTA DO THE HIGH SCHOOL PART.

AND, AND THEN DOING THE COLLEGE ON TOP OF THAT.

SO THAT'S A PRETTY HEFTY, UH, PRETTY HEAVY LOAD.

OKAY, GREAT.

HERE'S SOME STATISTICS THAT SHOW THEIR BACKEND FALL TO FALL RETENTION.

STUDENTS COMPLETING THEIR DEGREE GOING ON TO SUCCESSFUL TRANSFER OR OTHER ACADEMIC, WHAT'S THE RETENTION PART OF THIS? STUDENTS THAT MOVE FROM FIRST YEAR TO SECOND YEAR? OKAY.

SO WE'RE RETAINING OVER 5% FALL TO FALL.

DEGREE AND CERTIFICATION AWARDED.

IT KEEPS GROWING YEAR AFTER YEAR.

SO 5%, WHAT IS THAT TELLING ME? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

FIVE.

SO FALL TO FALL RETENTION RATE 5%, YOU ONLY KEEP 5% OF THE, THE STUDENTS? NO, IT'S GROWING BY INCREASED.

BY INCREASED BY INCREASED.

WHAT'S THE SHORT TERM? FAST FORWARD, COMPLETE.

SO THAT GOES BACK TO THOSE NON WORKFORCE, THAT WHAT WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT'S TERRIFIC.

THEY CALL THE FAST FORWARD COMPLETERS, HUH? YES, SIR.

NOW THEY HAVE AN OFFICIAL TITLE AND THAT ANSWERS YOUR INITIAL QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION.

WHERE'S THE GROWTH? 19%? YES SIR.

A LOT OF SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE ARE LOOKING AT US LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? HOW ARE YOU MAKING THIS HAPPEN? BECAUSE YOU'RE OFFERING THE PROGRAM.

AND THERE'S A BIG DEMAND FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, SO, OKAY.

EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THEN MOBILITY AFTER THEY GRADUATE, WHERE THEY GOING, TODD ALLUDED TO TRANSFERRING TO ONE OF THE FOUR INSTITUTIONS WE'RE GOING ON TO CAREER.

UH, THIS SHOWS AGAIN WHERE WE'RE HELPING THEM GROW AND, AND SUCCEED AND PAY BACK TO SOCIETY, SO TO SPEAK.

AND IT, AND IT'S, IT'S ALSO EMPHASIZING THE FACT THAT YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUDENTS STAY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

I WAS GONNA SAY, SO THIS IS A, THIS IS FOR, THESE ARE VIRGINIA COLLEGES.

YES MA'AM.

THIS IS RESPONSE TO THE BRAIN DRAIN.

CONCERNED, RIGHT.

ARE WE EDUCATING OUR FOLKS AND THEY'RE GOING TO NORTH CAROLINA? ARE THEY GOING TO CHARLOTTE COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUDENTS STAY HOME.

THIS SPEAKS TO THE ACTUAL EMPLOYMENT AFTER THEY GRADUATE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE TRANSFERRING 72% OF 'EM OR TRANSFERRING OVER 80% OR GOING INTO TECHNICAL OR GRADUATE TYPE OF EMPLOYMENT.

AND THEN SHORT TERM, FAST FORWARD, WE GET TO TODD'S AREA OF 77.7%.

UH, HOW, HOW'S THE, UH, THE, UH, COLLEGE, UM, AS FAR AS PREPPING PEOPLE TO BECOME TEACHERS? OH, THE, UH, SO WE DO HAVE A PRE-EDUCATION PROGRAM.

UH, I OWE YOU THE NUMBERS.

I DO NOT HAVE THOSE ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.

UH, UH, OFF HAND.

HOW MANY TEACHERS ARE TEACHING COLLEGE COURSES WITHIN THE HIGH SCHOOLS? DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? OOH, I I DO NOT.

I I WILL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION AND I'LL, I'LL ABSOLUTELY GET IT FOR YOUR COUNTY.

I'LL GET IT FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY.

THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO BEEN ONE OF THE LIMITERS, UH, FOR EXPANDING DUAL ENROLLMENT AT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS TO HAVE TEACHERS THAT ARE CREDENTIALED TO TEACH AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL.

YOU SAID IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, WHAT YOU SAY NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT PAY FOR THE TEACHERS AND FOR THESE COURSES.

THAT'S ALSO BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

WE NEED TO KNOW BOTH SIDES OF THAT COIN, I THINK.

AND TO MEET THE DEMAND OF THE GROWTH, WE'VE EXPANDED OUR PHYSICAL PRESENCE OPENING UP SOUTHEAST NEWPORT NEWS.

YOU CAN SEE REMODELING THE THEATER OPENING THE NEWPORT NEWS TRADE CENTER CONSTRUCTION ON NEW HAMPTON CAMPUS ACADEMIC BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE FRONT FACING ON I 64.

WHEN YOU GO PAST OUR MAIN CAMPUS, A BRAND NEW BUILDING WILL BE THERE SOON.

A COUPLE YEARS.

I I SUSPECT 2027, WE HOPE FALL, FALL OF 28 IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING.

FALL OF 28.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE CENTERVILLE? BEG YOUR PARDON? WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE CENTERVILLE CAMPUS? ON THE CENTERVILLE CAMPUS? CENTERVILLE ROAD.

UH OH, OH OH, AT HT.

I DON'T CALL IT, I DON'T CALL IT JCC.

SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT, A LOT OF EMPHASIS IN, IN OUR COLLEAGUE TRACY WRIGHT IS ACTUALLY HOME-BASED, UH, AT, AT OUR HT CAMPUS.

AND SO, SO THERE'S A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON GROWING PROGRAMMING THERE.

IS THERE ANY, UH, PHYSICAL CHANGE IMPROVEMENTS? SO THERE'S A PENDING, UH, A PENDING PHYSICAL CHANGE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, ABOUT OFFERING SOME ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COURSES WITHIN THAT FACILITY THAT'S NOT, NOT AVAILABLE YET, BUT THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND MAKING SURE THAT STUDENTS CAN START AND COMPLETE ON THAT MAIN CAMPUS.

AND

[00:25:01]

IT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE ONE THAT'S CONSTRAINED FACILITY AS IT IS, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE YOU WANNA EXPAND.

ALWAYS.

GOODNESS MA'AM.

WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME TESTIMONIES FROM STUDENTS SO YOU CAN READ THAT AT YOUR LEISURE.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE WENT WAY OVER.

WE WENT WAY OVER IT.

HOWEVER, GREAT QUESTIONS.

I KNOW OUR COLLEAGUE TRACY IS, IS TAKING NOTES ON ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AND ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR YOU AFTER THE FACT.

I WAS, I WAS OUT OF TIME.

THEY'RE USED TO IT.

THANKS GUYS WAS GREAT.

THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.

GREAT JOB.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU TRACY.

MARK, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE THE NEXT TOPIC WE'RE ON, UH, GREATER WILLIAMSBURG SPORTS AND EVENT CENTER UPDATE.

[C.2. Greater Williamsburg Sports and Event Center Update. Presentation by Dana Youst, Executive Director.]

SURE.

UH, WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF OPENING THAT FACILITY.

IT IS SUPER EXCITING.

AND IT IS, UH, IT'S REALLY SPECTACULAR.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THERE A FEW TIMES RECENTLY.

UH, THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE FINISHING TOUCHES AND, UH, IT, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

SO IN AND WITH THAT IN MIND, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR DANNY YOST TO OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FACILITY TO COME AND BRING A COUPLE OF HER COLLEAGUES UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME.

SO DAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, COME ON UP.

I'M GONNA GET UP AND LET THEM HAVE A SEAT.

WELL, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I'M SCOTT STEVENS, JAMES CITY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS MEETING, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE STORE TRIANGLE RECREATION FACILITY.

THE ENTITY THAT'S BUILDING HAS DONE THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FACILITY.

AND, AND AS MARK ALLUDED TO, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I'M GONNA DO A SHORT VERSION OF THE HISTORY.

WE'VE GOT UH, BEN HARWIN, WHO'S THE OPERATOR WITH KEMPER SPORTS.

HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT OPERATION AND UPCOMING EVENTS AND THE DATA.

YAO OUR EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, OUR ONLY EMPLOYEE OF THE H-T-R-F-A, WHO'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE ALL GONNA MENTION A GRAND OPENING JUNE 24TH.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

HOPE YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT AND IT'S NOT A SURPRISE AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MANY OF YOU THERE.

UM, I GUESS THIS WILL MAKE IT GO.

I'VE GIVEN NAMES, BUT THERE WE ARE.

IT'S THERE FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO HAVE US.

SO WE'LL GIVE SOME CONTACT INFORMATION AT THE BACK.

I THOUGHT I'D START WITH A BRIEF BIT OF HISTORY.

THIS SHOULD BE A SLIDE, WELL COME ON HISTORY.

OKAY, GREAT.

A BEEF BIT OF HISTORY.

THESE WERE SLIDES THAT WE SHOWED A COUPLE YEARS AGO AS WE WERE GOING INTO THE FUNDING AGREEMENTS AND THE TIMELINE HERE.

LIST SIGNIFICANT STEPS THAT LED US TO THE GROUNDBREAKING OF THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG SPORTS AND EVENT CENTER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S AN REGIONAL OR INDOOR REGIONAL SPORTS FACILITY HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN OUR COMMUNITY SINCE AT LEAST 2014.

THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSION BEGAN IN 2019 WHEN THE WILLIAMSBURG HOTEL MOTEL ASSOCIATION APPLIED TO THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG FOR GRANT FUNDS FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF AN INDOOR REGIONAL SPORTS FACILITY.

THAT LED TO THE FORMATION OF A WORKING GROUP AND STAFF FROM EACH LOCALITY MEETING TO REVIEW FURTHER STUDIES AND RESULTED IN A RECOMMENDATION TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN NOVEMBER OF 2021 TO FORM THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE RECREATION FACILITIES AUTHORITY OR HTRA TO FURTHER STUDY THE FEASIBILITY OF SUCH A FACILITY.

FOLLOWING THE FORMATION OF THE HT FA, WE RECEIVED UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FOR THIS PROJECT.

WE EVALUATED SEVERAL OTHER, ANOTHER PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND WE SELECTED A DESIGN BUILD TEAM.

WE SECURED A GROUND LEASE FOR THE PROPOSED SITE.

WE EVALUATED POSSIBLE FACILITY OPERATORS AND WE CAME BACK TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE FALL OF 2023 WITH BETTER COST ESTIMATES FOR CONSTRUCTION, LEASING, STAFFING AND OPERATOR AND OPERATING AT THAT TIME WE RECOMMENDED THAT THREE LOCALITIES PROCEED WITH APPROVING THE FUNDING AGREEMENTS.

UH, AND EACH LOCALITY DID THAT IN DECEMBER OF 2023.

SO THAT LED TO THIS ONE.

WHAT IS THE H-T-R-F-A? AND FOR ME IT IS AN EXTENSION OF THE LOCALITIES.

IT IS YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY AND THE CITY OF CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG WORKING TOGETHER TO OWN AND OPERATE AND BUILD THIS FACILITY.

AND SO OUR MISSION WAS INITIALLY, UH, FORMED TO EVALUATE IT AND IT FEASIBLE TO PROCEED.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

IT IS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.

SO WE'RE SUBJECT TO ALL THE RULES THAT, UH, OTHERS WOULD BE IN TERMS OF SHARING INFORMATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH ALL THAT ARE INTERESTED.

WE DO HAVE A SIX MEMBER BOARD, TWO FROM EACH LOCALITY AND MARK BELLAMY AND BRIAN FULLER SERVE.

AND BRIAN ACTUALLY GOT PROMOTED TO CHAIR THIS YEAR AND THE CHAIR IS SOON TO COME FOR HIM.

I HOPE SO.

WE'LL SEE.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT VICE CHAIR.

DON'T VICE.

I'M SORRY.

VICE CHAIR.

BUT YEAH, HE'S BEEN GREAT.

AND CHAIR IS SOON TO COME.

HOW ABOUT THAT BRIAN? UM, SO AT ANY RATE, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO SLIDES.

WE PRESENTED, UH, ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WERE, HAD THE VISION FOR BUILDING THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG SPORTS AND EVENT

[00:30:01]

CENTER.

THESE SLIDES ARE WHAT YOU SAW IN 2023 IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION OR PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THIS.

AND OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WERE PART OF IT.

THE ORIGINAL SCOPE WAS FOR 160,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT 12 BASKETBALL COURTS.

THAT COULD BE 24 VOLLEYBALL SPORTS OR 36 PICKLEBALL.

A LOT OF CEILING MOUNTING THINGS FROM NETS TO COURTS THAT WOULD COME DOWN.

WE WOULD HAVE TIP AND ROLL BLEACHERS, CURTAIN DIVIDERS, 115,000 SQUARE FOOT OF HARDWOOD FLOORING, WHICH WE DO HAVE.

MEETING ROOMS, FOOD AND BEVERAGES, ALL THE THINGS HERE WE HAVE IN THIS FACILITY.

SO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA BUILD ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BUILT.

WE HAD SOME ADDITIONS TO THE SCOPE.

UH, AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, ANOTHER 40,000 SQUARE FOOT TO IN UH, ADDITION OF A CONVERSION TURF SYSTEM.

WE HAD A CLIMBING ROCK WALL AND NINJA DIM TALKED ABOUT THAT HAS REALLY MORPHED INTO AN INDOOR FEATURE GYM.

AND SO WE'LL TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT.

I THINK IT'LL BE A REALLY GREAT AMENITY, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WITH KIDS OR GRANDKIDS OR THOSE VISITING OUR AREA AS WELL AS, UH, ATHLETES THAT ARE HERE.

THEIR SIBLINGS, UH, WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.

AND THEN REALLY IT IS GONNA BE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE GYMNASIUM YOU'VE BEEN IN.

I HAVE TOURED A LOT OF THESE FACILITIES.

THEY ALL HAVE REALLY GOOD THINGS.

OURS IS PHENOMENAL INSIDE.

BUT ARCHITECTURALLY IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.

SHOULD I SAY OF COURSE, .

YES MA'AM.

AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COST, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD YOU ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO IT WOULD BE AN $80 MILLION COST.

THAT IS WHAT IT IS COST TO BUILD THIS FACILITY.

UM, AND BEFORE I FORGET TO SHARE, MOST OF US WENT INTO THIS SAYING WE WOULD USE TOURISM FUNDING THREE YEARS LATER.

WE'RE ALL STILL SAYING WE'RE USING TOURISM FUNDING.

IT'S, IT HAS TO BE BUILT ON SOMETHING THAT SUPPORTS OUR TOURISM ECONOMY.

AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE MONIES ARE COMING FROM FOR THE THREE LOCALITIES TODAY.

AND I BELIEVE INTO THE FUTURE, THAT IS THE PLAN FOR US TO RECOMMEND TO OUR BOARDS AS WELL GOING FORWARD.

THE COMMITMENT ON CONSTRUCTION WAS THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY.

WE HAVE OUR MAINTENANCE OF, OF EFFORTS MONIES THAT WE ARE SENDING AS LOCALITIES TO THE HTRA.

SO EACH LOCALITY HAS A LITTLE MONEY IN THAT PART OF IT, BUT THAT $4 MILLION WILL PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE $80 MILLION.

AND THEN JAMES CITY COUNTY AND YORK COUNTY BOTH AGREED TO PAY UP TO $800,000 PER YEAR IN THE FIRST TWO TO FIVE YEARS TRYING TO SORT OF FUND AND KEEP THE OPERATIONAL COST IN TERMS OF CAPITAL RESERVE, OPERATING DEFICIT, DEFICIT, GROUND LEASE, OUR HIRING OF KE SPORTS, OUR PAYING OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

SO THAT IS WHAT THE COUNTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND REALLY THE END OF WHAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

YORK AND JAMES CITY DO HAVE A SIDE AGREEMENT THAT AFTER WE HAVE A YEAR OF USAGE AND WE KNOW WHO'S ACTUALLY IN IT AND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE USING IT, JAMES CITY WILL LIKELY PAY MORE.

THAT WAS THE FORMER ADMINISTRATOR FELT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AND MAYBE SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

BUT WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE, WHERE JAMES CITY COULD PAY UPDATE 50 AND YORK COULD BE REDUCED AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO WHATEVER AMOUNT WE'RE PAYING TOGETHER AS WE GO FORWARD IN TIME.

WHAT YEAR ARE WE IN NOW? WE'RE IN YEAR TWO GOING INTO YEAR THREE.

UM, AFTER YEAR THREE AND THE YEAR FOUR, WE OUGHT TO BE MAKING THAT.

SO THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME DATA ABOUT USAGE THAT WOULD LET US START TALKING ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES.

SO I THINK THAT WILL COME, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DANA YAO OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO TALK A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP UP ON THE SLIDES.

OH, THANK YOU SIR.

MY NAME IS DANA YAO.

THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.

WE ARE SUPER EXCITED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE VISION AND UM, TO REALITY.

UM, AND THE JOURNEY OF THE OPENING OF WHEN THIS BEGAN.

SO IN AUGUST OF UM, 2024, Y'ALL HAD THE GROUNDBREAKING.

UM, AND THAT IS WHERE ALL THREE LOCALITIES CAME TOGETHER.

UM, TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NEXT.

HUGE FACILITY FOR TOURISM OUTSIDE OF BUSH GARDENS.

THAT WAS 50 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.

UM, ON THAT NOTE, UM, THE THREE LOCALITIES ALIGNED TO SHARE THE REGIONAL VISION, UM, THAT YOU HAD THE GROUND MAKE GROUNDBREAKING MARK THE TRANSITION FROM CONCEPT TO REALITY.

SHEILA, YOU'RE IN THAT PICTURE.

LOOK FOR THE SHORTEST PERSON.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT BEGAN WITH THE SITE WORK AND THEN WE HAD THE STEEL CONSTRUCTION AND IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE, UM, GYM.

THE TURF WAS THEN INSTALLED AND THAT'S THE LARGEST, UH, RETRACTABLE TURF SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT FEATURE.

SO ANYTHING FROM FLAG FOOTBALL, LACROSSE, UH, FIVE B FIVE SOCCER, ALL THOSE FUN PROGRAMS CAN HAPPEN ON THE TURF.

GREAT.

AND Y'ALL DECIDED THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A SPORTS FACILITY.

SO YOU CREATED AN AMAZING HUB AREA, UH, THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW FAMILIES AND VISITORS AND ATHLETES TO COME AND SOCIALIZE AND WATCH THEIR KIDS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR FACILITY.

WE ALSO HAVE A FRONT PARKING LOT AND I, WHAT IS I THINK IS SO MUCH UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS BEN HAS TALKED TO SEVERAL RIGHT EVENT RIGHT HOLDERS AND THEY MAY BE PROVIDING VALET PARKING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT THAT PARKING, THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST.

UM, SO THAT IS ALLOWABLE FOR OUR PARKING LOT.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE CAFE WON'T SPEAK TOO MUCH 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF BEN'S STAFF, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY OF, WITH A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, WE WILL HAVE OUR A BC LICENSE AND THEY CAN COOK ANYTHING FROM SALADS AND CHICKEN SANDWICHES AND HAMBURGS AND HOT DOGS TO LOBSTER AND PRIME RIB FOR OUR

[00:35:01]

BANQUETS.

AND WE DID, I SAY WE CAMPER DID BOTH THEIR FIRST WEDDING, UM, ON THE BALCONY.

SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENT.

UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE FRONT ENTRANCE.

UM, SCOTT COVERED OVER THE GYMNASIUM FLOOR.

UM, THE GYM FLOOR IS ACTUALLY A FLOATING GYM FLOOR, WHICH ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE VEHICLES ON IT.

SO WE HAVE, KIER HAS BOOKED A CAR SHOW.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO EVENTUALLY, UM, BOAT SHOWS, BUT IT, YOU CAN DRIVE ANYTHING THAT'S ON A HIGHWAY INTO THE GYM.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE MEZZANINE LEVEL THAT'S THE TOP PART OF OUR, UM, FACILITY AND IT KIND OF MIRRORS THE BOTTOM LEVEL.

BUT THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF OUR BREAKOUT ROOMS AND FLEX ROOM SPACES ARE FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, CONFERENCES, THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS, BOARD MEETING, UM, OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE ADVENTURE GYM.

AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL ADVENTURE GYM IN THE FACILITY.

UM, THE ADVENTURE GYM HERE IS GONNA ALLOW SO MANY PEOPLE.

AND SCOTT HAS, HAS ARTICULATED SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES THAT OUR RETIREES THAT NEVER THOUGHT THEY MIGHT COME INTO OUR FACILITY, THEIR GRANDCHILDREN MIGHT COME INTO THE FACILITY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE PLAYING IN THE ADVENTURE GYM.

SO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL AGES, UM, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A VISION FOR AND CREATED.

SO IT WAS INTERESTING YOU SAID YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE VEHICLES, CAN ACCOMMODATE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.

AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TO SOME UTILITY CONTRACTORS AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT TRADE SHOWS AND YOU'VE GOT THE SPACE FOR IT, BUT CAN, CAN THE FLOOR SUPPORT? WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING STAMP.

WE'RE ALL A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THAT.

WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US IS A FLOOR JUST LIKE THIS, OUR FACILITY BUILT IN ATLANTA CARRIES A 24,000 POUND VEHICLE.

SO CARS AND BOATS WE'RE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH YOU GET INTO HEAVY EQUIPMENT.

UM, WE'D PROBABLY WANNA TALK THROUGH AND SEE HOW THE CARS AND BOATS HAVE DONE.

I WOULDN'T, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TRADE SHOWS, THOSE ARE PEAK RATIOS.

THEY BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY.

AND I NEVER ENVISIONED WE MIGHT PUT A CAR ON IT, BUT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN, OUR BUILDER SAID, YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND SO WE DID TO DANA'S POINT, WE LIFTED A DOOR, RAISED IT UP.

SO WE HAVE A 14 FOOT HIGH DOOR.

IF YOU CAN DRIVE IT DOWN THE HIGHWAY LEGALLY FROM A HEIGHT STANDPOINT AND WIDTH, WE CAN DRIVE IT INTO THE, INTO THE THAT'S INTERESTING.

THAT WASN'T PART ORIGINAL.

SO YOU HAVE A, SO DO YOU HAVE A ESTABLISHED LIMIT ON WEIGHT? UM, I LIKE HOW , WE HAVE A 16,000 POUND STAGE GOING IN FOR OUR GRAND OPENING.

THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD STARTING POINT.

WE'RE GONNA BE CAREFUL WITH THAT GOING IN.

IT'S BELOW THE 24,000 POUND ON THE FLOOR, JUST LIKE IT IN ATLANTA.

WE WOULD FOLLOW A LITTLE MORE WITH THE FLOOR IN ATLANTA TO, TO GET A BETTER WEIGHT TO GET BACK.

'CAUSE WE HAVE INTEREST IN A HEAVIER SHOW.

I THINK WE'D WANNA TALK THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

SO THIS NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIPS.

AND I THINK IT'S SO STRONG BECAUSE YOU NOT ONLY HAVE PUBLIC, BUT YOU HAVE PRIVATE, SO YOU HAVE BER SPORTS AND VISIT WILLIAMSBURG.

AND I ALSO, WE'VE MENTIONED THE HOTEL MOTEL ASSOCIATION JUST TO NAME A FEW.

BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE PARTNERS WITH ALL THREE JURISDICTIONS COMING TOGETHER.

UM, WE RECENTLY DID INTERVIEWS FOR A STORY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TELL.

AND ONE OF THE VERY COMMON DENOMINATORS IN THAT STORY WAS THE FACT THAT, UM, UH, THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT EVERYONE SAW THAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT WAS THE THREE JURISDICTIONS COMING TOGETHER TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR THE REGION.

AND IT WAS EXTREMELY EXCITING TO HEAR THAT.

AND SO YOU'RE INVITED TO THE GRAND OPENING, UH, JUNE 24TH.

UM, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE DOORS AT THREE 30.

THE PROGRAM WILL START AT FOUR.

ALLIE KRIEGER, WHO IS A CELEBRITY SOCCER STAR, SHE ALSO IS AN ANALYST FOR WOMEN'S SOCCER ON ESPN WILL BE OUR CELEBRITY SPEAKER.

WE'LL HAVE ACTIVITIES GOING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THROUGHOUT THE EVENT.

UM, AND WE'LL HAVE OPEN THE OPEN HOUSE UNTIL 8:00 PM THAT NIGHT.

SO WE HOPE YOU'LL COME OUT AND JOIN US FOR THE ACTIVITIES AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL BE EXHAUSTED.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

THAT'S GREAT.

I HAPPEN TO BE IN MYRTLE BEACH THAT WEEK.

OH, I'M SO SORRY.

WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

WE'RE LOCALLY ROOTED, NATIONALLY RELEVANT

WELL, I'M BEN HARWIN.

UH, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THIS AMAZING FACILITY.

UM, I'M NEW TO THE AREA, I'M NEW TO KEMPER SPORTS.

AND, UH, AS I, AS I'VE SHARED PREVIOUSLY WHEN I WAS, UM, INTERVIEWING FOR THIS POSITION, I CAME DOWN HERE FROM MICHIGAN AND GOT A TASTE OF WHAT THIS FACILITY WOULD MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY.

SPENT A WEEKEND HERE, DROVE AROUND, TALKED TO PEOPLE AT THE HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, UM, AND I HEARD NOTHING BUT INFLUENCE, IMPACT, POWER, COMMUNITY, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT, UM, MEANT A LOT TO ME.

IT MEANT THAT THERE WAS A MISSION AND THERE WAS A PURPOSE BEHIND THE FACILITY AND IT WASN'T SIMPLY JUST A BRICKS AND MORTAR.

UM, AND SO WITH THAT MINDSET, WE SET ABOUT, UH, CREATING THIS MISSION STATEMENT THAT WE FEEL SPEAKS TO, TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENDEAVOR.

SO THE MISSION IS TO DELIVER AN ELEVATED SPORTS AND EVENT EXPERIENCE THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER, SUPPORT HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY.

[00:40:01]

AND HOSPITALITY DRIVEN IN EVERY DETAIL.

ONE COMMUNITY MEANING THE HISTORIC OUR TRIANGLE.

YES MA'AM.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACILITY IS OUTSTANDING BUT YOU HAVE TO BREATHE LIFE INTO IT.

I KNOW.

AND SO PART OF THE, UH, THE MISSION FOR THE TEAM, INCLUDING MYSELF, IS TO ELEVATE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE.

AND WHAT YOU YOU FIND GENERALLY IN THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IS IT'S COLD POPCORN, STALE.

THE BATHROOMS MAY BE OUT OF TOILET PAPER AND, BUT YOU'RE OUT THERE 'CAUSE YOUR KID'S PLAYING AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE KIDS.

BUT WE WANNA GO WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT.

AND WE WANT TO CREATE AN EXPERIENCE AND A CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, DELIVERABLE THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT NATIONWIDE.

AND, AND TO DANA'S POINT, PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BY TO TOUR THE FACILITY EVENT.

HOLDERS HAVE SHARED WITH US THAT IT IS BY FAR THE MOST AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FACILITY THAT THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF.

WELL THOUGHT OUT THE COMPLEX AND ITS DESIGN.

UM, AND SO WE ARE REALLY PROUD AND FEEL LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THIS MISSION STATEMENT.

SO THE CHICK-FIL-A AND BUSH GARDENS, THE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS.

EXACTLY.

THERE YOU GO.

EXACTLY.

SO, UM, NEED TO UPDATE THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO REPORT.

WE HAVE WELL OVER A HUNDRED SECURED EVENTS THAT SPAN ALL THE WAY TO 2030.

AS DANA ALLUDED TO.

WE HAVE, UH, A WEDDING, UM, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE VARIETY OF OUR, OF OUR OFFERINGS IN A MOMENT.

BUT, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES COMING THROUGH THE PIPELINE.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR PARTNERS AT VISIT WILLIAMSBURG TO, UM, TO UH, GARNER SUPPORT AND TO GO OUT AND DRIVE BUSINESS TO THE REGION.

SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT.

AND THIS IS JUST LARGE SCALE EVENTS.

THESE ARE NOT, UH, SORT OF ONE DAY CAMPS AND LOCAL THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING MAYBE WITH A WILLIAM MARY OR A HIGH SCHOOL OR WHATEVER.

THESE ARE EVENTS THAT ARE GONNA BRING PEOPLE TO MARKET.

SO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE 89 DEFINITIVES.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OVER THAT NOW.

WE'RE WELL OVER A HUNDRED.

SO LIKE THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

I NEED TO UPDATE THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THE TENTATIVE ONES ARE ONES THAT WE ARE IN, UH, I WOULD SAY NEGOTIATIONS WITH.

WE'VE PRESENTED A CONTRACT TO THE EVENT RIGHT HOLDER.

AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE COST, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE LOGISTICS.

UM, AND THEN THE PROSPECTING ONES ARE ONES WHERE WE'VE JUST BEGUN THE NEGOTIATIONS.

WE'VE GOING BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.

WE'RE AT THE HOTEL MOTEL ASSOCIATION.

HOW IS THAT COORDINATING WITH WHAT YOU SET UP FOR YOUR EVENTS COMING IN? IS SOMEONE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM? SO OUR YES MA'AM.

SO OUR PROCESS IS WHEN WE SECURE AN EVENT, WE SEND IT THROUGH VISIT WILLIAMSBURG.

THEY HAVE A PLATFORM THAT SENDS IT OUT EQUALLY CORRECT.

I JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT CORRECT.

DID I PASS THE TEST? SO, SO HOW DO THOSE NUMBERS MATCH YOUR TARGETS? OH, WE'RE, WE'RE AHEAD OF TARGET ON THAT.

AND, AND HOW, WHAT IS YOUR TARGET FOR PROFITABILITY? ARE WE ON, ARE YOU ON TRACK? ARE YOU WHAT? SO FOR, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, WE ARE RIGHT ON TRACK WITH WHAT WE WERE PROJECTED TO BRING IN REVENUE WISE FOR OUR EVENTS.

AND WHAT'S THE HOTEL, UH, NUMBERS FOR 27? IT IS, UM, RIGHT NOW, NOW THIS IS ABOUT TWO MONTHS OLD.

SO 49,000 HOTEL ROOMS WERE BOOKED AND THAT'S WITHIN THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE AREA.

29,000 ARE SPECIFIC TO THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG SPORTS AND EVENTS CENTER.

THEN YOU HAVE LIKE, I BELIEVE 7,000 FOR WHISK AND THEN YOU HAD A COUPLE OTHERS HERE AND THEN SPREAD OUT FOR SOME OF THE SOCCER.

SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE ABOUT TWO MONTHS OLD.

SO JUST TO TO MM-HMM .

HAVE THAT LITTLE STATEMENT THERE.

BUT THAT, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE.

IT'S BRINGING IN A TON OF BUSINESS.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY DOING IT.

WHAT Y'ALL EXPECTED IT TO DO.

WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, UH, WHEN YOU DESCRIBE THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE AREA, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IT WOULD BE YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY, COUNTY, AND THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG.

SO THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE A HUGE H OF OUR HOTELS ARE DOWN AT THIS END WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE CONSIDERED RIGHT UP FRONT IN, IN SOMEONE'S MIND THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A LOCATION.

YOU, YOU WOULD BOOK FOR WILLIAMSBURG.

BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT, OH, I'M GONNA BE IN WILLIAMSBURG FOR THE SPORT EVENT.

I'M GONNA GO UP THERE WILLIAMSBURG.

BUT WE HAVE A TON OF HOTELS UP THERE ALSO.

WE BELIEVED WHEN WE TALK TO FOLKS IN MM-HMM .

SO, SO THE IDEA OF, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE, THAT THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME AND STAY AT ANY OF THE HOTELS HERE, UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THIS EVENT.

I'M NOT SURE WILLIAMSBURG ALONE COULD HANDLE, THEY COULD.

THEY CAN'T.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT SO MANY HOTELS.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE HAVE MORE HOTELS IN YOUR COUNTY.

YES, WE DO.

THAN ANY, THAN THE OTHERS.

AND WE HAVE PROBABLY THE MORE MODERN ONES 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE NEW ONES SUPERVISOR, I WOULD TELL YOU, WE, I THINK HOTEL IMPACT WILL BE FAR GREATER THAN

[00:45:01]

IN RECO.

THEY ARE BOOKING HOTELS HERE FOR SOME OF THEIR EVENTS.

SO I THINK LOWER YORK WILL HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT THAN WE PROBABLY FIRST ENVISIONED.

VICTUS, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HAS BEEN CONSERVATIVE IN PAST PROJECTS THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

I THINK THEIR NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE BETTER THAN THEY TOLD US.

AND THAT'S GOOD ON OUR SIDE.

WE WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE IN THE DECISION MAKING AND BETTER ON THE MM-HMM .

ACTUAL FUNCTIONING AND THE SUPERVISOR RUN IN TERMS OF PROFITABILITY.

WE DID THREE ECONOMIC MODELS, TWO AND 21, 2 INDEPENDENT FIRMS. THEY BOTH CAME UP WITH ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR, 300 TO 400, $500,000 A YEAR DEFICIT.

WE UPDATED THE VICTUS MODEL.

THE VICTUS WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL ONES.

WE JUST LIKED THEIR MODELING BETTER AND THEIR HISTORY BETTER.

WE UPDATED THE VICTUS MODEL IN 23 AND IT WAS STILL AT THAT SAME DEFICIT.

'CAUSE WE HAD EXPANDED THE SCOPE FROM 160 TO 200,000.

MAYBE BY COINCIDENCE, MAYBE, UH, KEMPER DID BETTER RESEARCH THEIR OPERATING BUDGET OF ABOUT $3 MILLION, HAVE A, HAS A HALF MILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.

SO THE HGRA REALLY JAMES CITY AND YORK COUNTY HAD PLANNED FOR THAT.

THAT'S PART OF OUR 1.6 MILLION.

SO I WOULD TELL YOU TODAY, WE'RE RIGHT ON WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE.

EXCEPT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO CONFIRM THE VICTUS MODEL WAS IN AN OPERATING YEAR WHEN YOU GET UP AND RUNNING, NOT YOUR INITIAL YEAR.

SO OUR INITIAL YEAR, I BELIEVE IS FUNCTIONING WHERE WE THOUGHT WE'D BE IN YEAR TWO OR THREE.

AND I REALLY BELIEVE THE FACILITY, IF WE RUN IT RIGHT, CAN BECOME, I HATE TO SAY PROFITABLE, BUT AT LEAST A BREAK EVEN POINT.

AND THEN WHERE WE MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE, THAT INCREMENTAL REVENUE FOR YORK WAS CLOSE TO 300,000 NU DOLLARS FROM MEALS TAX, SALES TAX, THOSE INCREMENTAL INCREASES IN HOTEL LODGING TAXES FOR JAMES CITY.

IT WAS JUST SLIGHT OF THAT.

AND YOU DO HAVE THE BEST HOTELS TODAY AND PROBABLY INTO THE, THE NEAR FUTURE.

BUT OUR TIMESHARES WILL BENEFIT.

AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF THOSE AND GREAT PROXIMITY TO THE FACILITY AND THEY'RE BOOKING.

YOU CAN BOOK THOSE ON EXPEDIA AS EASILY AS A HOTEL ROOM.

WHEN YOU SEARCH IT, YOU SEE HOTEL ROOMS AND TIMESHARE.

SO I THINK BOTH WILL BENEFIT DRASTICALLY FROM THIS.

FACILITIES.

BOTH ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW TO HANG ON.

THEY ARE.

AND THIS WILL BE A GOOD THING FOR 'EM.

I'M REALLY WONDERING, IS THIS ENOUGH OF A, AN INCREASE IN HOTELS TO, UH, ALLOW THEM TO REACH BACK INTO PROFITABILITY? WELL, SOME OF THESE EVENTS, NOT ALL, BUT SOME ARE 8,000 PEOPLE FOR THREE DAYS.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO STAY SOMEWHERE.

SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THAT AND WE CERTAINLY WILL FOCUS ON THOSE BIG EVENTS GOING FORWARD.

AND I THINK IT, IT'S GOTTA BE A BIG INFLUX FOR ALL OF US.

AND THAT CERTAINLY IS THE DIVISION AND WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL HAPPEN.

SOMETHING.

SOMETHING'S INTERESTING, UM, THAT, UH, KIND OF LOOKING AT YOUR BRIEFING AND THEN WHAT I, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT TODAY, UM, THIS FACILITY AND THE HOTELS ARE KIND OF CENTRAL BETWEEN RICHMOND AIRPORT AND OFFICE.

UM, AND THE THE, UM, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT NOW IS BECAUSE GETTING TWO AND FROM, UH, UH, NOT RICHMOND, BUT FROM NORFOLK IS A MESS.

BUT IT'S GETTING BETTER.

UM, SO THE TUNNEL PROBABLY WILL OPEN BETWEEN, THEY SAY IT'S GONNA OPEN 27, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, MIGHT BE 28 PROBABLY WHEN IT REALLY OPENS.

I'M SURE.

AND, AND THAT DEFINITION OF OPENING IS WHEN THE FIRST CAR GOES THROUGH THE TUNNEL.

I GOTCHA.

BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE NORFOLK AIRPORT, THE REASON I BRING UP THE, I BRING UP THIS ISSUE IN NORFOLK AIRPORT IS BECAUSE THAT AIRPORT IS JUST BOOMING.

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

I MEAN, YOU GOT, NOW THESE, THEY'VE GOT INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS NOW THEY'VE GOT THESE, A LOT OF THESE ONE-WAY DIRECT FLIGHTS TO BOSTON.

UH, THEY'VE PICKED THOSE UP NOW.

SO WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THAT.

AND UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT PROBABLY, UH, REALLY EXCEEDS WHATEVER THEY'VE GOT OVER IN RICHMOND, UH, FOR AN AIRPORT.

SO I SEE THAT THAT WOULD, WHEN TO GET THIS TUNNEL THING ALL SQUARED AWAY, THEN THAT SHOULD BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FLY IN BECAUSE THIS FLYING IS EXPENSIVE.

MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE IN, BUT, UH, STILL THEY GOTTA STAY SOMEWHERE.

BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, UM, A BOON FOR BOTH.

UH, NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE HAMPTON ROADS, OR EXCUSE ME, FOR ALL HAMPTON ROADS REALLY.

UM, I THINK ONE OF YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, ABOUT HOTELS MOTELS IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD ON VISIT WILLIAMSBURG IS THAT THE HOTEL, SOME OF THE HOTELS AND MOTELS IN THE AREA IMMEDIATE ARE OLDER.

AND SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, WE'RE PRETTY SURE THAT PEOPLE WILL MOVE TO MORE MODERN HOTELS, UH, WHICH WOULD BRING THEM DOWN.

WE DOWN TO, WE, I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY BRAND NEW HOTELS DOWN HERE, DOWN HERE.

I MEAN, WE DO, BUT, BUT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER HOTELS YEAH.

UP IN THE AREA THAT ARE NOT AS NEW AS WHAT WE HAVE.

BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER A YEAR IN THE LAST 25 YEARS OR I HAVEN'T HEARD THE, THE HOTEL SAY THEY DIDN'T HAVE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH BUSINESS.

I MEAN THEY'RE, THERE WAS HOTELS ALWAYS GOING UNDER.

WELL, WE'VE GIVEN, GIVEN BUSINESS, SO NOW THEY CAN'T COMPLAIN.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO THEY'RE GONNA MODERNIZE.

THEY NEED TO BE READY BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY TO DO THAT.

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR

[00:50:01]

ON EXPECTATION.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OBJECTIVE ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT THE FACILITY ITSELF BEING PROFITABLE.

THE OBJECTIVE IS BRINGING BUSINESS TO THE AREA SO THE HOTELS AND THE RESTAURANTS AND LOCAL BUSINESSES GROW AND THEN THEREFORE THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY.

BUT THE CLOSER YOU CLOSE THAT DEFICIT GAP AND THE CLOSER YOU WORK TO BREAK EVEN THE LESS COMMITMENT FROM THE LOCALITIES ARE IMPORTANT.

SO I WILL, I WILL ALWAYS GONNA PUSH ON HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TOWARDS OPERATING IN THE BLACK AS OPPOSED TO OPERATING IN A DEFICIT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY DRIVER THERE.

AND MY BOARD FEELS THE VERY SAME WAY.

WE'D LIKE IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT MONEY INTO THE OPERATING.

EXACTLY.

AND THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD GOAL FOR US.

AND, BUT I THINK IT WILL OUTSHINE WHAT WE PROJECTED AND SO WE COME OUT BETTER AND IT'S TRYING TO CLOSE THAT GAP MORE AND MORE.

WE'RE WITH YOU ON THAT SAME GOAL.

I THOUGHT OUR MIN NOW THE MINIMUM CONTRIBUTION IS $300,000, RIGHT? YES SIR.

AND THAT'S AFTER THE FOUR YEAR PERIOD OR FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEAR, WHATEVER THAT PERIOD.

FIVE YEARS.

SO IT'S OUT 300,000.

BUT WE, WE SEE THAT THE, THE TOURISM MONEY'S GONNA BE PAYING THIS, PAYING THIS BILL.

THE TOURISM MONEY.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THE TOURISM MONEY.

SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE GENERAL FUND MONEY, RIGHT? THAT'S TOURISM 300 TO 500,000.

I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT OUR LISTENERS NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S COMING OUT OF THE TOURISM MONEY.

AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A STANDARD AVERAGE FOR TOURISM MONEY ANNUALLY? I THOUGHT THE, WHAT IS IT THAT THE STATE HAS THIS THING THEY GIVE US? IT'S LIKE $8 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR YOUR COUNTY.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR YOUR COUNTY? YEAH.

YORK COUNTY, ABOUT $8 MILLION IN TOURISM FUNDS.

IN TERMS, NO, IN TERMS OF, OF, OF THE REVENUE THAT'S ASSOCIATED.

WHAT IS THAT ORGANIZATION CALLED? THAT'S, UH, INDUSTRY SOMETHING STATE DOES IT? UM, THE VIRGINIA TOURISM COUNCIL COUNCIL.

BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

BUT THEY'RE, THEY WERE, THEY PUT, THEY PUT, THEY PUT OUT REPORT REPORTS OUT TO TALK ABOUT, THEY TALK ABOUT WHERE ALL THE IMPACT OF TOURISM AND, AND, AND, UH, I THINK I REMEMBER FROM THE VAGO CONFERENCES MM-HMM .

THIS, IT'S BEEN ABOUT 8 MILLION BUCKS TOGETHER.

CARA, YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER? THE TOURISM FUND IS ABOUT $3 MILLION.

JUST UNDER 3 MILLION.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE FUND BUILT UP.

I'M SAYING WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT ANNUALLY? ROUGHLY? IT'S ABOUT $3 MILLION.

HOTEL FREIGHT SHED AND, UM, $2 TAX ANNUALLY.

ANNUAL.

AND THAT'S THE FUND.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE RIGHT MONEY COMING IN GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.

THE WHAT? MULES TAX GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.

MUL TAX IS GENERAL FUND.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE, INCLUDING THE STATE.

I WISH I COULD REMEMBER WHAT THAT, UH, STATE ORGANIZATION THAT TRACKS THAT.

BUT IT'S, UH, ANYWAY, I'LL FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU.

SCOTT.

UM, HOW DOES THE ADMISSION TAX AFFECT THIS? OR DOES IT? UM, IT DOES.

THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG DOES HAVE AN ADMISSIONS TAX.

IT'S 10% UP TO A DOLLAR.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL COLLECT ALONG WITH COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.

WE HAVE AN ADMISSIONS TAX UP TO A DOLLAR THERE FOR PEOPLE THAT, FOR PAID EVENTS, WE HAVE TO PAY TO COME IN.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'LL WORK ITSELF OUT AS WELL.

IT'S ONE MAX PER PERSON.

IT'D BE $2 BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES.

COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG HAS ONE AND THE CITY HAS ONE.

SO $2 PER PERSON THAT ENTERS.

CAN I GO BACK TO THE HOTEL? UH, YOU SAID 49,020 9,000.

CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE ON THAT? AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE WAS THEN, LIKE I SAID, TWO MONTHS AGO.

SO THE 49,000 IS WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

NOW THERE ARE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND BOOKINGS IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.

BUT WHAT THEY BROKE DOWN FOR US, UM, IN OUR LAST LIKE BIG MEETING WAS 29,000 OF THOSE HOTEL ROOMS ARE DIRECT TO IMPACT OF THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG SPORTS AND EVENT CENTER.

THE REST ARE, OR THE WHISK OR THE OTHER, OTHER, OTHER AMENITIES IN THE AREA GARDENS? THAT'S CORRECT.

I GOT SO, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT DATA IS, IS TWO MONTHS OLD, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE SAY THAT AGAIN.

SO THE FOUR, THE, THE, THE 29, IS THAT PART OF THE 49? THAT IS PART OF THE 49.

BUT IT'S OVER HALF OF THAT.

IT'S, IT'S IS BECAUSE YEAH.

OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

NON-SPORT SIDE OF THE, OF THE LEDGER.

SO THE NEXT TWO SLIDES JUST SPEAK TO THE VARIETY AND TYPES OF EVENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SECURED AND WILL, UH, PROVIDE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THE LEFT COLUMN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF OUR SPORTING EVENTS THAT WE HAVE.

THE FLEXIBILITY TO POST HIGH ROCKS IS LIKE CROSSFIT TO FITNESS, UH, COMPETITION.

SO, UM, WAS THAT LIKE IRON MAN OR SOMETHING, OR? UM, NOT QUITE AN IRON MAN.

IT'S MORE LIKE, UM, CROSSFIT CROSS.

IT'S CROSSFIT, IT'S A VERSION OF CROSSFIT.

SO, YEAH.

SO THE ONLY THING MISSING ON YOUR EVENT IS STAY OF THE NATION.

WE HAVE YOUR THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY DO.

THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, SO AGAIN, IT SPEAKS TO THE VARIETY AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, THE VASTNESS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN OFFER FROM A SPORTING STANDPOINT.

UM, ONE OF THE NARRATIVES THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY TO BUILD AND PROMOTE IS OUR

[00:55:01]

UH, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FELT WAS FAIRLY DEFICIENT COMING INTO THIS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BANQUET SERVICES.

AND THE CATERING SERVICES AND THE MEETING SPACES AND SO FORTH.

SO ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFERENCING, UH, OPPORTUNITIES, CORPORATE RETREATS, WEDDING, AS DANA SAID, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

UH, CAR SHOWS, UM, GAMING CONFERENCES, FOOD AND WINE SHOWS, GRADUATIONS, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATIONS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE FINDING IS, UM, GROUPS THAT HAVE STANDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR COMPETITION, UHHUH, UH, ARE TRYING TO BREAK THOSE, UH, AND COME TO US OH.

'CAUSE THEY'VE COME TOUR, WE OFFER.

SO, UM, WE, WE'VE GOT SOME VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

AND THEN TO CONTINUE, UM, THIS IS MORE KIND OF LOCAL THINGS THAT, AGAIN, WITH THE TYPES OF SERVICES WE WANNA PROVIDE.

THEY'RE NOT ONLY GONNA BE LARGE SCALE EVENTS, BUT MORE LOCAL THINGS.

UH, FITNESS CLASSES, YOU KNOW, WINE AND CANVAS, FANTASY FOOTBALL, DRAFT.

COME RENT A ROOM AND WE'LL PROVIDE FOOD AND BEER AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING.

SO REALLY SOME UNIQUE PACKAGING AND, AND PROMOTIONS TO COME TO USE THE FACILITY FOR OUR, FOR OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.

UH, AND THEN ONE MORE.

OH, GO BACK.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THE ONE BEFORE THAT WAS, UH, JUST, JUST THE LOCAL DROP IN OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE YOU GO.

UM, SO I GET THIS QUESTION A LOT.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A RESIDENT OR, UM, UH, I'M A LOCAL.

HOW CAN I USE THE FACILITY? IS IT CLOSED TO ME? DO I HAVE TO HAVE AN EVENT? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.

WE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME AND ENCOURAGE, UH, THE COMMUNITY TO COME USE THE FACILITY.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DROP-IN OPTIONS.

WE'LL HAVE CLUBS AND LEAGUES.

UM, AND AS SCOTT SAID, THE ADVENTURE GYM IS JUST ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

IT IS THE KIND OF THE WOW SIGNATURE THING ONCE YOU GET PAST THE COURTS .

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE THAT.

AND, AND, UH, IT IS A STANDALONE REVENUE GENERATOR AND WILL BE FOR WINTER DAYS, RAINY DAYS, DAYS WHEN MOMS AND DADS ARE TIRED OF DEALING WITH THEIR KIDS AND THEY WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE.

UH, THE ADVENTURE GYM WILL BE A FANTASTIC OPTION.

SO, SO LIKE THESE CLUBS AND LEAGUES COMING IN, THEY'LL JUST PAY A FEE TO USE A FACILITY.

SO SOME WILL, OR THEY'LL BE ORGANICALLY DEVELOPED BY US.

SO IT'LL BE OUR BASKETBALL LEAGUE, OUR PICKLEBALL LEAGUE.

OH, I SEE.

AND, AND YOU WOULD, UH, DO THAT, SO YOU'RE GONNA START YOUR OWN LEAGUE.

SOME OF 'EM WILL OUTSOURCE.

IT'S JUST EASIER TO GET 'EM UP AND RUNNING.

AND THEY'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THOSE CASES WOULD COLLECT A RENTAL FEE, AS YOU SAID.

AND, AND THE OTHER SITUATIONS WE GENERATE AND CREATE THE LEAGUE OR THE CLUB, AND THEN THEY WOULD PAY US ALLY AS, AS THE OPERATOR FOR THAT.

AND YOU'LL ALREADY HAVE YOUR FEE STRUCTURE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

UH, SO THIS IS THE TEAM THAT'S GONNA BRING THIS TO LIFE.

UH, EVERYONE PICTURED HERE IS, IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND, AND, AND, UM, IN OPERATIONS, WE ARE AT A FULL SPRINT MODE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE RIGHT NOW.

SO VERY, VERY BRIEFLY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY ME, HEIDI HUME IS OUR SALES AND MARKETING MANAGER.

SHE ALSO HANDLES OUR CONFERENCING, CONFERENCING SIDE OF EVENTS.

UH, ANTONIO GONZALEZ HANDLES OUR SPORTING SIDE.

BJ ARMSTEAD HAS THE, UH, TIRELESS TASK OF KEEPING THE FACILITY OPERATIONAL.

THAT'S A BIG JOB.

AND CLEAN.

KATRINA WHITE IS OUR, UH, FINANCIAL CONTROLLER.

JOHN TANDY'S, OUR EXECUTIVE CHEF.

UH, AND JULIA SOTO IS OUR GUEST SERVICES MANAGER.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AGAIN, WE WANTED TO DO DIFFERENTLY WAS, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE FACILITY, YOU FEEL THE DIFFERENCE OF THE EXPERIENCE.

THE STAFF IS ENGAGED, UM, AND ENERGETIC.

AND JULIA WILL BRING THAT TO LIFE.

AND THEN FINALLY, MR. DALTON NEWKIRK IS OUR ADVENTURE GYM MANAGER.

HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THE FACILITY EMPLOYING SEASONALLY WHEN WE HAVE SUMMER CAMPS AND SO FORTH? IT'LL BE ABOUT 120 OR SO DURING OUR NORMAL KIND OF STANDARD, ABOUT 75 ISH TOGETHER.

WELL, I WANT TO, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING.

UH, AND SCOTT AND BEN, YOU, YOU BOTH, UH, TOUR ALLOWED ME TO TOUR THE UNIT.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, IT'S SPECTACULAR.

UM, IT'S WELL WORTH, UH, TAKING THE TIME JUST TO VISIT.

VISIT.

AND WE WOULD OFFER THAT ANY, ANYTIME.

IT WOULDN'T LET ME IN THE ADVENTURE GYM THAT DAY.

BUT BE BACK FOR THE STATE OF THE SIT COUNTY, YOU WILL, UH, GET YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

I'LL DEFINITELY BE THERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING.

I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A PARKING LOT ON THE SIDE.

HOW MANY CARS DOES IT HOLD THERE? OVER A THOUSAND SPOTS.

BE ABLE TO COME IN A THOUSAND SPOTS.

THANK Y'ALL TO SEE YOU.

[01:00:02]

SEE, THAT'S THE GRAND OPENING.

IT SAYS OPENING.

NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STATE OF THE COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S, WHEN IS THAT? MAY 5TH OF AUGUST.

OH, THAT'S TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.

IT'S COLD.

I'LL CALL ON, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY RICHARD HILL WILL TAKE US THROUGH FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.

CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT IN THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC RECORDS.

HAS ANY THAT CHANGED? UH, NOT REALLY.

OH YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED.

ALRIGHT.

MAKE IT QUICK.

THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, UH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS VOYA, HAS TWO MAIN COMPONENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

IT'S GETTING TOUGHER.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL.

UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE THREE TOPICS THAT ARE ON HERE.

I KNOW I DID PROMISE THAT I WOULD TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT, BUT WE DO WANT TO COVER AT LEAST FOIA SOMEWHAT COMPREHENSIVELY BECAUSE WE CAN THEN COUNT THIS AS YOUR REQUIRED TRAINING.

TRAINING, FULL TRAINING.

UM, WE MAY NOT GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH COIA THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BUT I WOULD REMIND YOU ALL THAT THE, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, GO THROUGH CONFLICT OF INTEREST TRAINING EVERY TWO YEARS BY THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST COUNSEL.

AND THEY DO THEIR OWN TRAINING, AND THEY HAVE LINKS AVAILABLE.

AND THEY WILL CERTIFY THAT YOU'VE COMPLETED THAT TRAINING AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT AS REQUIRED BY THEM.

UM, SO, AND THEY NOTIFY US, UM, THEY SHOULD, OR MS. MS. SHOT SHOULD.

SO THE ANSWER IS YOU'RE, YOU SHOULD BE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT YOURSELF AND GOOD LUCK.

IT, .

I WAS GONNA SAY, GOOD LUCK.

SO HERE'S MY ADMONITION TO YOU ALL.

IT WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, SOMETIME IN THE NEXT MONTH, YOU GO AND COMPLETE YOUR COYA TRAINING IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO.

AND THEN YOU'LL BE GOOD FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND THEN LET, ONCE YOU GET YOUR CERTIFICATE, GIVE IT TO HEATHER.

SEND, IF YOU DO RECORD OKAY.

SEND US A LINK OR SEND US A LINK OR SOMETHING.

I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO DIG IT AROUND.

I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, SOMEBODY POINT ME TO GIVE YOU THE, THE CLICK ON THING.

AND THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW AND GO, I DON'T WANNA DO THIS OTHER, HEATHER SAYS SHE TAKE CARE OF IT.

[C.3. Freedom of Information Act/Conflict of Interest Act/Virginia Public Records Act: Overview - by Richard Hill, County Attorney.]

THE OPEN RECORDS PROVISION AND THE OPEN MEETING PROVISIONS.

AND, UH, YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU, IN YOUR, IN YOUR MATERIALS.

SO I WILL NOT READ IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

BUT I WILL NOTE THAT THE POLICY OF THE STATE FOR FOIA, THE EMPHASIS ON IT IS OPEN ACCESS TO INFORMATION.

AND THE DEFAULT IS THAT ALL INFORMATION, ALL DOCUMENTS, ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

WHEN IN DOUBT, THE DEFAULT IS THAT THE INFORMATION IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, THE DOCUMENTS ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

AND WE USED TO GET A BOOK WITH ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

YES, IT'S ALL ONLINE.

THAT IS, IT'S ONLINE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, THE CLERK HAS THAT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DISTRIBUTING THAT.

STATE CODE DEFINES MEETING VERY CLEARLY.

AND DOES, SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE HAVE A COPY.

IT IS IMPORTANT, THOUGH, TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A, A CURRENT COPY, OF COURSE, FOR REFERENCE.

SO, UM, THE, THE, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST READ THE LAST SENTENCE HERE OF, OF THE POLICY.

THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE STATE CODE.

AND JUST REMIND ALL PUBLIC RECORDS AND MEETINGS SHALL BE PRESUMED TO OPEN UNLESS IT EXEMPTION IS PROPERLY INVOKED.

UM, AND THAT THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAW ARE TO BE LIBERALLY CONSTRUED, WHICH MEANS, AS I INDICATED, THAT, UM, THE DEFAULT RULE IS IN FAVOR OF DISCLOSURE.

AND IT, THE STATUTE IS ALWAYS CONSTRUED AS THAT BEING THE DEFAULT OPTION.

THE EXEMPTIONS HAVE TO BE ONLY APPLIED AND CONSTRUED NARROWLY.

SO, UM, THE PUBLIC BODIES, UH, AND ALL OF THEIR OFFICERS HAVE TO MAKE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO REACH AN AGREEMENT WITH REQUESTERS, WHICH WE DO HERE IN THE COUNTY.

UM, AND THEN THE COUNTY IS NOT ALLOWED TO ADOPT ANY ORDINANCE OR PROVISION THAT IS IN CONFLICT OR INCONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE LAW.

UM, SO LET'S START BY TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MEETINGS.

THIS HAS BEEN, UH, IT'S A CONSTANT SORTS OF DISCUSSION.

I KNOW THAT ALL AT, AT YOUR VACO CONFERENCES AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION IS WHAT IS A MEETING? UH,

[01:05:01]

A MEETING IS, UM, ANY WORK SESSION, UM, WHEN SITTING PHYSICALLY OR ELECTRONIC MEANS AS A BODY OR AS AN INFORMAL GROUP OF AS MANY AS THREE MEMBERS.

UM, OR A QUORUM.

IF YOU HAVE A LESS THAN THREE.

BUT FOR YOUR PURPOSES, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THREE OR ANYTIME, THREE OR MORE OF YOU ARE TOGETHER, UM, WHETHER THERE'S ANY VOTES CAST, UM, ANYTIME THAT THERE IS A DISCUSSION OF OR CONSIDERATION OF MATTERS OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.

UM, SO LEMME ASK A QUESTION.

SO WE, SO FOUR OF US IN HERE ARE OF A, A POLITICAL BODY, NOT A POLITICAL BODY PAR A PARTY.

TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.

SO FOUR OF US SHOW UP AT A, AT A PARTY MEETING.

IS THAT A VIOLATION? UH, IT IS NOT.

THERE IS A, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING SPECIFIC EXCEPTION THAT COVERS, UH, AND THAT IS BEEN CLARIFIED MORE RECENTLY BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BECAUSE OF THIS VERY QUESTION.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IT EXPLAINS SOME, SOME EXCEPTIONS.

UM, AND ONE OF THEM IS IF A, IF YOU'RE AT A PLACE OR FUNCTION WHERE NO PART OF THE PURPOSE IS THE DISCUSSION OR TRANSACTION OF ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS, UH, AND IT WAS NOT CALLED OR PREARRANGED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

UM, UH, AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S PROBABLY MOST RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING, MR. SHEPHERD, WHICH YOU ASKED AT A PUBLIC FORUM, INFORMATIONAL GATHERING, CANDIDATE APPEARANCE MEETING OF ANOTHER PUBLIC BODY OR DEBATE, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO INFORM THE ELECTORATE OR TO GATHER INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC AND NOT TO TRANSACT PUBLIC BUSINESS OR TO HOLD DISCUSSIONS RELATING TO THE TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS WHERE NO DISCUSSION OR TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS TAKES PLACE AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BODY.

AND HERE'S THE IMPORTANT LANGUAGE.

EVEN THOUGH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY OR COLLECTIVELY IN THE CONDUCT OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, MAY BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, DEBATE, OR QUESTIONS PRESENTED BY OTHERS AT SUCH PUBLIC MEETING.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF GOBBLY GOO.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN PRACTICAL? THAT WAS CLAR.

THAT THAT LANGUAGE WAS ADDED IN, CLARIFIED RECENTLY BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO ALLEVIATE CONCERNS, UH, THAT WERE JUST DESCRIBED.

THAT MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF A PUBLIC BODY WOULD BE UNABLE TO ATTEND CANDIDATE FORUMS OR MEETINGS OF PUBLIC PARTY, OF A POLITICAL PARTIES OR OTHER GROUPS TO DISCUSS GENERALLY MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN AND HAVE IT NOT TURNED INTO A MEETING.

SO, SO WHAT YOU SAY, BASIC, BASICALLY, AS LONG AS, I MEAN THREE OF US ATTEND BUT ARE NOT SEATED WITH EACH OTHER OR TOGETHER IN A GROUP CONVERSING THE APPEARANCE, DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

WELL, THE APPEARANCE IS NOT VALID.

THE APPEARANCE.

APPEARANCE, IT DOES, IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT YOU NOT SIT TOGETHER, THAT YOU SIT TOGETHER.

IT SIMPLY STATES THAT YOU CANNOT BE ENGAGED.

THE MEETING CANNOT BE CALLED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION AND TRANSACTING PUBLIC BUSINESS.

AND YOU CANNOT HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MM-HMM .

UM, DURING THE, AND IN A MINUTE I'M GONNA GET TO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE TRANSACTION PUBLIC BUSINESS, BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CRITICAL QUESTION.

UM, OBVIOUSLY YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS PROBABLY WISE.

'CAUSE IF YOU ALSO DON'T SIT TOGETHER AND DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER, YOU, YOU CAN'T BE DOING IT.

BUT THAT THE, THE RULES ARE NOT INTENDED TO REQUIRE THAT KIND OF THING.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE, THE, THE CHANGE, THE, THE CLARIFICATIONS OF THE LAW ARE INTENDED TO ALLOW MEMBERS OF PUBLIC BODIES TO BE TOGETHER AT MEETINGS SUCH AS PUB, UH, PARTY MEETINGS AND SUCH.

WE, HERE'S, HERE'S THE, HERE'S, I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN THAT RELISH THE FOIA.

OKAY? NOT BEFORE IT'S, IT'S, UH, OPENNESS, BUT AS A, JUST A TOOL JUST TO BE, YOU KNOW, CLUB PEOPLE OVER THE HEAD THAT SERVE, TRY TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF, OF THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY? AND IT DOESN'T MAKE THE JOB ANY EASIER.

UH, SO IF WE GO TO THINGS LIKE A SOCIAL GATHERING WHERE WE SAY GOODBYE TO SOMEBODY AND THE WHOLE BOARD SHOWS UP, ALRIGHT? AND, AND SO WE'RE IN THERE AND SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT, OH, GETS UP AND TALKS ABOUT, OH, HOW WONDERFUL THIS JOB WAS AND HOW THEY DID THIS AND ALL THAT.

WELL, THAT, THAT COULD FALL INTO A FOIA.

I MEAN, UH, A THING, WHAT, SO WHO CALLED THE MEETING? AND, AND THEN IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE US

[01:10:01]

MAKING A DECISION, UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PAVING 17 OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS, IT IS SO LOOSE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'VE TAKEN A BUNCH OF WORDS AND THEY'VE SIMPLY TRIED TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT COVER EVERYTHING, BUT NOT COVER EVERYTHING.

AND THIS, THIS, IT, IT, IT, I THINK IT JUST UPSETS PEOPLE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL IS BEING SAID HERE IN THE LAW.

WELL, I THINK IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

YOU THINK, YEAH, I DO.

IF WE WERE IN THE SAME ROOM, NO MORE THAN TWO OF US NEED TO BE TALKING.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, SO IF TWO OF US ARE TALKING AND SOME, A THIRD ONE WALKS UP, THE OTHER, SOME OF SOMEBODY'S GOTTA LEAVE.

IT VERY SIMPLE.

IF WE, IF WE WERE, IF WERE, IF THAT WAS THE ONLY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FUNCTION WE'RE AT, RIGHT? BUT SEE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED AS ONE SLIVER OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SUPERVISORS, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND WE'RE ALWAYS BEING VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS.

YOU GET ON AN EMAIL AND START TALKING ON AN EMAIL, WELL, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE JUST HOLDING A MEETING, ALRIGHT? MM-HMM .

UM, WELL THAT'S WHY WE SPECIFICALLY SAY DON'T RESPOND BACK AS WELL.

BUT IT'S VERY EASY TO FALL INTO THAT TRAP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE COULD BE BRINGING UP A SUBJECT AND THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A DISCUSSION AND MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THE OTHER SUPERVISORS ARE EVEN PART OF IT UNLESS YOU GO UP AND LOOK THROUGH THE, THE WHOLE EMAIL LIST.

SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SIMPLE.

YOU JUST GO, OKAY, TWO OF YOU SHOW UP.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA BE AROUND.

AND WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'VE, PEOPLE WE'VE GOTTEN UP AND JUST WALKED AWAY.

OKAY? RIGHT.

UM, BUT IS IT, TO ME, IS IT, THE FRUSTRATING PART IS THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GET THIS CLASS.

WE GET IT.

AND SO WHEN, WELL, THE TRAINING IS AVAILABLE FOR, NOT FROM ME, BUT FROM THE FOIA COUNCIL TO OTHER INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS AS WELL.

SO IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY, WELL, THEY STUDY IT TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIND LITTLE TRAPS IN THERE TO CATCH US.

RICHARD, YOU MAY, YOU MAY GET INTO THIS, BUT LET ME ASK THIS.

AND YOU DEFER IF YOU WANT TO, BUT IN THE SCENARIO WHERE TOM MENTIONED FOUR OF US IN A POLITICAL BODY, WE'RE ALL THERE TOGETHER, AND SOMEBODY ELSE FROM THAT BODY ASKS US A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY ANSWERING THAT.

IS THAT NOW CONDUCTING COUNTY BUSINESS? OR THAT JUST THROUGH YOU PROBABLY SHOULD AVOID DOING THAT.

WHICH NOT PRED SEE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

I CAN'T TELL THE PEOPLE, I'M SORRY.

WE CAN'T, THAT I CAN'T TELL THE, WE CAN'T TELL THE RESIDENTS, WE CAN'T TELL THE CONSTITUENTS WHAT'S GOING ON.

IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S THREE OF YOU AT THE MEETING.

WELL, THAT'S THE POINT.

TWO CAN DO IT, BUT NOT THREE.

YOU CAN WHY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

CAN'T BE IN THE MEETING.

SO, NO, I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY WE GO TO THESE MEETINGS.

SO LET'S, YOU'RE ASKED THE QUESTION, GO TO THE BREAKFAST CLUB, AND THERE'S THREE OF US THERE, AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT IS, THAT IS, WE KNOW BETTER THAN HAVING A DISCUSSION, BUT, BUT NOT EVEN HAVING A DISCUSSION.

WE GET ASKED EACH OTHER.

SO LET, LET'S MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF, OF TRANSACTIONAL PUBLIC BUSINESS.

BECAUSE SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING JUST 'CAUSE IT HAS THE WORD YORK COUNTY, AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT PUBLIC BUSINESS OR THE TRANSACTION PUBLIC BUSINESS.

UM, SO MORE ABOUT MEETINGS.

OBVIOUSLY ALL MEETINGS HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ALL VOTES, UM, ON ANY TRANSACTION.

PUBLIC BUSINESS CAN ONLY OCCUR AT A MEETING.

AND THAT'S ALL.

THIS IS ALL ALL MEETINGS WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS.

RIGHT? ALL MEETINGS.

NOW WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT ALL MEETING ON MEETING.

SO IF I GOT A STAFF, STAFF MEETING, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A MEETING.

'CAUSE IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A MEETING OF, OF OF ELECTED POINT, AS YOU'RE INDICATING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO COME INTO A STAFF MEETING AND THEY DON'T POINT IF THERE'S NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THERE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF, UH, A COUNTY, NOW A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CAN GET A, BECAUSE HE HAS SOME PAPERS, EXCEPTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT HE'S HOLDING A STAFF MEETING DOESN'T MEAN THE PUBLIC CAN WALK INTO HIS STAFF MEETING.

SO ANY, ANY PUBLIC BODY, A PUBLIC BODY IS DEFINED AS A, AS A, AS AN ELECTED OR APPOINTED GROUP.

ELECTED OR APPOINTED.

SO THE PUBLIC BODY, THE THE MEETING IS, IS A MEETING OF A PUBLIC BODY.

SO, SO THREE OF US WERE TO MEET WITH MARK.

THAT BECOMES UP, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY STAFF, THE COUNTY STAFF IS NOT A PUBLIC BODY, RIGHT? NO.

BUT A LOT OF THE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MEETINGS I GO TO, UM, WHERE IT MIGHT BE THE MAYOR OF PORTSMOUTH, MYSELF, AND, UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY OR ANYTHING THAT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.

NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN THE SAME GOVERNMENT.

IT MAY BE A PUBLIC MEETING OF A DIFFERENT GROUP.

IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A PUBLIC MEETING OF IT'S THE REGIONAL AND THAT, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S NOT A LOCAL, WELL, I DON'T, IT'S, YOU STILL NEED TO BE AWARE OF THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE IN THOSE MEETINGS THEY HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, YOUR QUORUM BEFORE A QUORUM OF ELECTED

[01:15:01]

BODIES.

EVEN THEY'RE APPOINTED.

SO, MR. SHEPHERD RUN INTO THIS, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A DIFFERENT, THE SAME RULES APPLY TO ANY PUBLIC BODY THAT'S A DIFFERENT PUBLIC BODY.

IT MAY BE A, UM, LIKE, UH, MR. STEVENS IS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THE REGIONAL SPORTS THING.

THAT IS A PUBLIC BODY.

THOSE MEETINGS ARE SUBJECT TO THE RULES OF FOIA.

THE, THE BEATING RULES.

SO THE, THE SAME RULES APPLY.

YOU HAVE MEMBERS WHO ARE APPOINTED OR ELECTED TO THAT BODY, UM, WHENEVER THREE OR MORE, OR A, UH, A QUORUM IF THE, IT'S LESS I'M APPOINTED HERE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.

SO YOU GOTTA BE AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL IN A, YOU STILL GOT THE QUORUM AND THE FOIA REQUIREMENTS, AND YOU'RE PART, AND YOU'RE IN THERE.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PART OF THE, IT APPLIES TO ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS.

YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM, PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT YOUR WISH.

ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS UP IN, UH, UP IN WILLIAMSBURG MM-HMM .

SO ADVANCE NOTICE HAS TO BE PROVIDED.

AND THE NOTICE, THIS IS A, THERE'S THIS, HI, THIS PARTY ITALICS, UM, IS RELATIVELY NEW.

THERE WAS A RECENT FOIA COUNCIL OPINION THAT WENT INTO THIS TOPIC THAT THE NOTICE OF WHERE THE MEETING IS AND THE LOCATION OF THE MEETING HAS TO BE SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO LOCATE THE MEETING.

THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS IN THE FOIA, UM, OPINION WAS, I A, A PUBLIC BODY ANNOUNCED THAT THEIR MEETING WAS GONNA BE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY WHERE WHEN OR, OR, I MEAN, I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE SAID WHERE, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY WHERE SPECIFICALLY.

AND SO A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO'S ALLOWED TO ATTEND DIDN'T HAVE A REASONABLE NOTICE OF WHERE THE MEETING MIGHT BE HELD.

AND SO THIS, THIS, IT SEEMS SELF-EVIDENT AND OBVIOUS THAT YOU OUGHT TO DO THAT, BUT THIS FOIA OPINION CLARIFIED THAT IN FACT IT HAS TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL THAT'S OF SPECIFICITY.

UM, SO THE, UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, UH, THERE IS A, THIS IS A NEW LEGISLATIVE CHANGE THAT IS GOING INTO EFFECT.

THE, UM, THE CODE WILL NOW CONTAIN A RESTRICTION THAT SAYS THAT A PUBLIC BODY CANNOT TAKE FINAL ACTION ON ANY ITEM UNLESS THAT ITEM IS ON THE PUBLISHED AGENDA.

UM, AND, UM, IT CAN TAKE A, UNLESS THE, UNLESS IT'S A TIME SENSITIVE.

AND I, I DON'T THINK IT WILL SURPRISE ANY OF YOU THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THEIR WISDOM DID NOT GIVE US A DEFINITION OF WHAT IS TIME SENSITIVE.

UM, SHOCKING.

BUT IT DID GIVE US A DEFINITION OF FINAL ACTION.

AND IT, WELL, IT'S 'CAUSE IT SAYS WHAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE.

UM, AND TO BE, TO BE CANDID, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS, UM, CHANGE IS GONNA DO MUCH TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN HOW WE OPERATE.

BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE, WE, WE TYPICALLY DON'T DO ANY OF THIS.

BUT THE, IF YOU MAKE A REFERRAL TO A COMMITTEE, UH, REFU REFERRAL OF A FUTURE TO A FUTURE MEETING, OR YOU DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE INFORMATION OR YOU, UM, MAKE A MEMORIAL PROCLAMATION, NONE OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED FINAL ACTIONS FOR PURPOSES.

SO IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM DURING THE COURSE OF A DISCUSSION TO SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO SOMETHING THAT HASN'T, THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA SAYING, WE WANT TO, COULD YOU PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT OR MM-HMM .

WE'RE GONNA REFER THAT TO A FUTURE MEETING.

THAT WAS THE FIRST BULLET POINT.

NOT ALWAYS BEEN A THING.

UM, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE NEVER TAKEN JUST BRING UP SOMETHING DURING A MEETING AND, AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON IT.

WELL, WE, WE MAY, WE MAY NOT IN PRACTICE GENERALLY DO THAT, BUT, UM, THE, THE FIRST BULLET POINT THERE, REFERRAL TO A COMMITTEE OR ADVISORY ACTION, IF YOU'RE REFERRING IT TO A COMMITTEE OR ADVISOR BODY, YOU'RE GENERALLY NOT TAKING ANY YEAH.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WHAT I'M ABOUT FIRST.

I MEAN, WE, WHAT THAT TAKE ABOUT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL ACTION, WHAT IT SAYS.

YOU CAN'T TAKE A FINAL ACTION THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.

WELL, WE, WE'VE NEVER JUST BRING UP SOMETHING RANDOM.

HERE'S, HERE'S AN ACTION.

IM SAYING THIS IS THAT OUR PRACTICE IS SAYS SOMEBODY ELSE.

SOMEBODY ELSE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

AND THEY HAD TO PUT A NEW RULE IN.

SEE, THE NICE, WELL, NICE THING HERE IS THEY TALK ABOUT THAT REFERRAL TO A COMMITTEE.

SO WHEN WE SIT HERE AND WE, UH, SAY, OKAY, SOMEBODY BRINGS SOMETHING UP AND WE KIND OF DO A HEAD NOD ON SOME ACTION THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO REFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.

SURE.

YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WE HAVE MADE AN ACTION.

WE AGREE, BUT THEY DON'T, WE GOTTA, WE GOT GOT A WAY OUT UNDER THE LAW.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, A COUPLE OF THE REASONS THAT WE, WE U UTILIZE FOR CLOSED MEETINGS THERE ARE, ARE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS REASONS FOR IT, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE COMMONLY USED, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE INVESTMENT OF PUBLIC FUNDS WHERE COMPETITION OR BARGAINING IS INVOLVED MM-HMM .

'CAUSE IT'S A REFERRAL COME BACK AGAIN AND PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO IT.

BUT YEAH.

AND THE REST OF THESE ARE ALL STANDARD RULES THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE BEEN IN PLACE AND, AND YORK COUNTY HAS ALWAYS ACTED CONSISTENTLY, UH, ACCESS TO THE AGENDA AND MATERIALS HAVE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC.

MINUTES HAVE TO BE TAKEN.

AND WE DO HAVE, UH, PROVISION FOR REMOTE PARTICIPATION, UM, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

UH, AND THEN MEETINGS.

UM, CLOSED MEETINGS ARE ONLY ALLOWED FOR VERY SPECIFIC REASONS.

AND,

[01:20:01]

UM, DISCUSSION CONCERNING PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESS WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE.

AND LEGAL PROTECTION OF PRIVACY OF INDIVIDUALS AND PERSONAL MATTERS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC BUSINESS CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL.

BE, HAD BE OCCURRING NECESSARILY BETWEEN, EXCLUSIVELY BETWEEN, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO THAT SEGUES, AND THIS IS RELATED TO BOTH THE, THE QUESTION OF DOCUMENTS AND MEETINGS, BUT IT DOES RAISE THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE DISCUSSION OF OR TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS? AND AS I NOTED, YOU PROBABLY ARE NOT SURPRISED THAT THE CODE CONTAINS NO DEFINITIVE DEFINITION.

AND SO WE ARE LEFT WITH TRYING TO USE COMMON SENSE AND ALSO, UM, DISCERN FROM COURT DECISIONS AND ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE WHAT THAT MEANS.

SO, UM, THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA DID PROVIDE A DEFINITION IN 2023.

AND THAT WAS FOR A TOPIC TO CONSTITUTE THE BUSINESS, IT MUST RELATE TO A SUBJECT THAT FALLS WITHIN THE PURVIEW THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UM, SO A TOPIC OR TOPIC MAY CONSTITUTE PUBLIC BUSINESS FOR ONE PUBLIC BODY, LIKE SAY THE US CONGRESS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, BUT AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SUCH AS THE BOARD SUPERVISOR, BUT NOT CONSTITUTE THE PUBLIC BUSINESS FOR ANOTHER SUCH AS THE EDA AND VICE VERSA.

UM, FURTHERMORE, FOR A TOPIC TO CONSTITUTE PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT MUST NOT BE, MUST NOT JUST BE SOMETHING THAT CONCEPTUALLY COULD THEORETICALLY COME BEFORE A PUBLIC BODY.

IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS EITHER BEFORE THE PUBLIC BODY OR IS LIKELY TO COME BEFORE THE BODY IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

SO THAT WAS THE DEFINITION THAT WAS PUT IN, THAT WAS THE DEFINITION IN THAT CASE.

THAT WAS, UH, THE SUPREME COURT UTILIZED IN THAT, THE CASE THAT I CITE THERE, GLOSS V WHEELER, AND IT WAS THAT CASE INVOLVED, UM, MEETINGS.

BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REAL, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DEFINITION FROM THE SUPREME COURT THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE CAN UTILIZE WITH SOME, SOME CONSISTENCY TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT IT IS.

SO YOU CAN TELL FROM THAT DEFINITION THAT IT IS NOT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANY AND EVERYTHING WHERE THE WORD YORK COUNTY IS USED OR MIGHT BE YORK COUNTY.

IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PUBLIC BODY AND SOMETHING THAT MAY BE LIKELY TO COME BEFORE THE PUBLIC BODY IN, IN THE FUTURE OR CURRENTLY.

UM, SO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CLARIFIED THAT A LITTLE BIT AND ADDED THE FOLLOWING DEFINITION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.

BUT THIS ONLY APPLIES WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH MEETINGS.

SO A PUBLIC BUSINESS IS ANY ACTIVITY A PUBLIC BODY HAS UNDERTAKEN OR PROPOSES TO UNDERTAKE ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE IT REPRESENTS.

SO IF, IF THAT, IF THE DISCUSSION THAT IS TAKING PLACE FITS WITHIN THAT, THAT DEFINITION, THEN THE DISCUSSION IS TRANSACTIONAL PUBLIC BUSINESS.

AND IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO MEMBERS PRESENT HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TOPIC, THEN IT'S A MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I DON'T SEE WHERE ANSWERING A QUESTION, IT MAY NOT IS CONDUCTING COUNTY BUSINESS IF YOU'RE, IF IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS OF YOUR CONSTITUENT RATE, RIGHT? RE REGARDLESS OF NOT CONDUCTING WHO'S BUSINESS, YOU'RE NOT CONDUCTING COUNTY BUSINESS.

NOW, IF YOU START DEBATING, WELL, TOM, WELL WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO DURING THAT? NOW, NOW YOU CONDUCTING COUNTY BUSINESS, BUT IF YOU'RE JUST GOING, HEY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THE BUDGET? WELL, HERE'S WE'RE AT, OR TRANSACTION, TRANSACTION IMPLIES SOME LEVEL OF EXCHANGE GIVE AND TAKE AND EXCHANGE AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

IT'S NOT SIMPLY A BETWEEN THE POLITICAL MM-HMM .

BETWEEN THE ELECTED MEMBERS.

RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.

YOU MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT GIVE AND TAKE BETWEEN YOURSELF AND THE PERSON YOU'RE ANSWERING LIKE, WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE COULD DO.

BUT I'M NOT TURNING TO YOU GUYS LIKE, WELL, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO THERE? I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE YOU TO ANSWER YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

WELL, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE YOU.

I WOULD NOT ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO EXCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE A MEETING WHEN THE DISCUSSION IS WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THAT COULD STILL BE TRANSACTION PUBLIC BUSINESS.

IF, IF THE CONVERSATION IS WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO YOU EXCLUDE THAT POSSIBILITY, BUT IT HAS TO BE TRANSACTION AND IT HAS TO BE MORE, IT HAS TO BE TWO OR MORE MEMBERS, THREE OR MORE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU JUST SAID THREE OR MORE MEMBERS.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

UM, THE DISCUSSION DOESN'T HAVE TO

[01:25:01]

SO, SITTING THERE, JUST HEARING ABOUT IT, I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THAT.

I FOLLOW, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SAY IT AGAIN IN PLAIN.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ME, THERE'S THREE OF US, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A FOURTH, THERE'S A, IF THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON IN THE, IN, IN THE DISCUSSION.

THREE, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MR. ROY IS SAYING IS DO NOT, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO DISCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING A MEETING IF THERE ARE PARTICIPANTS IN THE DISCUSSION THAT ARE NOT IN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BODY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO EXPLAIN THAT BETTER.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID THAT IF I'M IN A MEETING AND I'M, I'M THE ONLY ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT OTHERS ARE IN THE MEETING AREA, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE.

'CAUSE THERE WOULD NOT BE THREE OF YOU PRESENT.

SO THERE HAS TO BE THREE, YOU'RE SAYING MORE THAN THREE.

IF THERE'S THREE PRESENT AND YOU'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THE FOURTH, FOURTH PERSON AND THAT FOURTH PERSON IS WHO, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THAT FOURTH PERSON, THAT DISCUSSION CAN WHAT STILL BE TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS IF THE, IF THERE'S, THERE'S AGREEMENT, IF THERES INTERACTION BETWEEN ALL THREE.

WAIT, WAIT.

YOU, THAT'S WHY WE SAY WE ONLY, WE WERE STANDING THERE AND WE START TALKING TO THIS PERSON, PERSON, AND THERE WAS THREE OF US THERE, AND WE STARTED TALKING TO THIS PERSON ABOUT A SITUATION, THEN WE WERE TRANSACTIONING BUSINESS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHY I SAID BEFORE JUST TWO PEOPLE.

SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH THREE OF US STANDING.

AND SO THAT GETS TO THAT, THAT PART ABOUT BEING AT THE, OF, AT THE REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND THEY ASK US AT THE END, YOU KNOW, DO YOU GUYS WANNA SAY ANYTHING? AND YOU GET UP AND YOU START TALKING ABOUT AN UPDATE.

WELL, THERE'S THREE OF US IN THE ROOM.

YEAH, BUT YOU'RE NOT AGREEING ON ANYTHING.

BUT WE HE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WE WERE JUST SAYING YOU NOT AGREEING TO IT.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DIFFERENCE COMES, I I DON'T, I I WANNA, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO YOU REPORTING, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS OVERLY COMPLICATED.

ALL I'M SIMPLY SAYING IS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MR. HURO WAS SAYING, IS THAT IT HAS TO BE ONLY THE MEMBERS.

AT LEAST I I HEARD HIS QUESTIONS BEING ONLY THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BODY COLLECTIVELY CAN TRANSACT BUSINESS.

WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT THAT'S NOT, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO LOOK AT IT JUST THAT WAY.

IF YOU HAVE THREE OR MORE MEMBERS AND THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE ALSO INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION, YOU CAN STILL HAVE TRANSACTION PUBLIC BUSINESS.

THE EASIEST THING IS DON'T BE THREE, THREE PEOPLE IN THE SAME FUNCTION.

BUT YOU CAN'T, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HAVE YOU, I HAVEN'T BEEN WITH YOU AND SOMEBODY ELSE AT SAME FUNCTION.

SO I MEAN, OTHER THAN RIBBON CUTTINGS AND STUFF, AND THEN THREE OF US AREN'T SITTING AROUND TALKING.

WELL, YEAH, BUT BUT WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER.

BUT WE DID IT AT, UH, I THINK WE ALL KNOW IN OUR HEAD THAT WE DON'T SIT AROUND AND TALK THREE OF US.

WE, WE DON'T.

BUT JUST GOING, BUT THIS, THIS SCENARIO HERE THAT WE COULD BE TALKING TO SOMEBODY AT, AT CHICK-FIL-A, AT THE CHICK-FIL-A RIBBON CUTTING.

THREE MORE OF US ARE THERE.

NO, WE'D HAVE TO BE IN THE CONVERSATION.

CAN'T BE JUST THERE.

YOU'D HAVE BE, BUT ITS THE CONVERS FOR NO, THAT'S WHAT HE'S ALSO WHAT HE ALSO IMPORTANT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE REASONS WHY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GATHERED TOGETHER THREE OR MORE OF YOU TOGETHER, THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THE OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

I THINK YOU'RE CONFUSED.

HE'S SAYING IF THE THREE OF US ARE STANDING TOGETHER AND A FOURTH COMES UP AND WE START DISCUSSING BUSINESS, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

YOU CAN'T DISCUSS BUSINESS.

BUT IF THERE'S THREE OF US AT, AT THE RIBBON CUTTING AND WE'RE TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE, IT DOESN'T RIGHT.

PERTAIN TO FOR YOU.

JUST 'CAUSE THREE OF US ARE AT THE FUNCTION.

WE ALL HAVE TO BE TOGETHER TALKING AND INTERACTING ABOUT BUSINESS OF THE BOARD.

THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

THAT IS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S A PROXIMITY CLAUSE TO 'EM.

NO.

OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN THIS IS ALWAYS A, I THINK WERE OVERCOMPLICATED.

IT, IT'S, BUT THIS IS A TOPIC THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT CONFUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IT CAUSES, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.

AND IT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE OVERLY COMPLICATED.

THE ISSUE IS WHEN THREE OR MORE OF YOU'RE TOGETHER, YOU CANNOT TRANSACT BUSINESS.

WHETHER YOU'RE TRANSACTING BUSINESS BECAUSE THE THREE OF YOU ARE TALKING TOGETHER, OR THE THREE OF YOU ARE TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE ABOUT BUSINESS, TRANSACTING BUSINESS, IT'S STILL A MEETING.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I THINK THE KEY IS, TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL TRANSACTION OF BUSINESS IS THE KEY POINT.

IF IT, AND AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT MADE IN THE TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO FOIA.

I'M JUST GONNA GO WITH ANYTHING I SAY OR WRITE IS, IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND GONNA USE COMMON SENSE.

AND THAT'S, IT'S GOT ME THROUGH TO PASTOR YEARS.

STAY AWAY FROM THREE.

THAT GETS US INTO THE NEXT POINT, WHICH IS PUBLIC RECORDS.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITION IS VERY BROAD.

IT BASICALLY IS ANYTHING THAT CONTAINS INFORMATION, BASICALLY, UM, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S STORED AND, UM, THE, UM,

[01:30:01]

SO IT MATTERS THAT ARE PERSONAL RECORDS ARE NOT OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO FOIA BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT MADE IN THE TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.

UM, ALL PUBLIC RECORDS HAVE TO BE OPEN FOR INSPECTION UNLESS THERE'S A PROPER EXEMPTION.

AND THIS IS THE POINT THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE TO ALL OF YOU ON THE BOARD.

UM, IT APPLIES TO ALL RECORDS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN YOUR PERSONAL POSSESSION.

SO PERSONAL EMAILS, PERSONAL TEXTS, UM, A LETTER THAT YOU WRITE ON PERSONAL STATIONARY WITH YOUR QUILL PEN.

UM, IF IT, IF IT RELATES TO, OR IT WAS MADE IN THE TRANSACTION OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, IF IT WAS MADE IN THE TRANSACTION PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT'S STILL A PUBLIC, IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO FOIA.

UM, AND THE OPEN RECORDS PROVISIONS.

SO THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT REMINDER FOR ALL OF YOU, THAT YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION AS WELL, UM, UNDER FOIA.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN IN DOUBT, ASSUME IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THERE'S SOME CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE COUNTY'S FOIA OFFICER KIM HENDRICKS, UH, WITH HER EMAIL ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER AND, UM, SHANNON FORESTS, UH, WITH THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

MY OFFICE IS THE ONE WHO PRIMARILY WORKS ON FOIA AND WILL ALWAYS BE HAPPY TO ASSIST ANYBODY WITH THOSE QUESTIONS AS WELL.

UM, COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW IT WORKS WITH FOIA.

AND SOMEBODY MAKES A REQUEST FOR FOIA.

THE CODE SETS FORTH THE TIMELINES.

THERE'S A FIVE DAY WORKING DAY REQUIREMENT TO MAKE A RESPONSE.

WE CAN, UH, REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN WORKING DAYS BEYOND THAT.

AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN STATE CODE, UM, FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME, UH, WITH COURT APPROVAL.

UM, GENERALLY THE PREFERRED METHODOLOGY IS TO RETAIN A, IS TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH A REQUESTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF RECORDS, BUT THERE IS A PROCEDURE AVAILABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL TIME.

UH, BEYOND THAT.

SO YOU HAVE, WE, WE HAVE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS TO RESPOND TO A FOUR YEAR REQUEST.

HOW LONG DOES THE LAW SAY YOU HAVE TO, UM, COMPLETE THE FOUR YEAR REQUEST? YOU GET SEVEN EXTRA DAYS.

SO YOU GET FIVE, FIVE DAYS TO RESPOND, THEN FIVE DAYS AND REQUEST SEVEN.

YOU RESPOND TO THE REQUESTER.

AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU COULD RESPOND TO THE REQUESTER, SUCH AS SAYING, WE ESTIMATE THAT THIS IS GONNA COST OVER THAT, WE WANT YOU TO PAY A DEPOSIT.

AND AT WHICH POINT, ONCE, IF YOU DON'T PAY THE DEPOSIT, THEN THE TOTAL, THE AMOUNT OF TIME.

UM, BUT THE, THE LAW IS THAT YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS TO GET THE INFORMATION, RESPOND TO THE REQUESTER, AND IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME, YOU CAN GET AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN WORKING DAYS.

SO USUALLY THERE YOU AND THAT YOU'RE, YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY GET AGREEMENT WITH 'EM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GONNA TAKE US A LOT LONGER.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU, SO, OKAY.

WILL YOU AGREE TO LET US DO IT? AND, YOU KNOW, SO THE LAW DOES ALLOW FOR THAT TYPE OF NEGOTIATION? YES.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING THAT'S CORRECT.

AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THERE'S DISCUSSION AND, AND AGREEMENT BETWEEN PARTIES.

OPEN TIME, UM, WORKING DAYS DOES NOT INCLUDE VACATION DAYS.

HOL UH, HOLIDAYS, WEEKENDS, I SAID VACATION.

UM, IF I'M OUT OF THE COUNTRY, I'M NOT ANSWERING EMAILS.

WELL, THE, UM, I'M NOT ANSWERING EMAILS, BUT HE'S SAYING I HAVE FIVE DAYS.

NO.

UM, SO THE WAY YOU GET AROUND THAT, IT'S NOT GETTING AROUND IT, BUT EVERYTHING YOU DO, JUST MAKE SURE IT GOES INTO THE, UH, SERVER.

IT GOES IN THE COUNTY SERVER.

ONCE IT'S ON THE COUNTY SERVER, IT'S, YOU'RE DONE.

IT'S JUST SEND YOURSELF AN EMAIL.

YOU PUT IT ON THE COUNTY SERVER.

SO IF THERE GET TEXT MESSAGES OVER THERE.

HUH? HOW DO YOU GET TEXT MESSAGES OVER? TEXT MESSAGE IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU STORE THOSE.

I'M QUITE SURE THAT'S A FOIBLE RECORD.

I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GET 'EM.

I, I INTERPRET WORKING DAYS AS MEANING THE COUNTY WORKING DAYS.

UM, SO THAT'S COUNTY BUSINESS DAY IS COUNTY BUSINESS DAY.

THAT'S APPLICABLE DAY.

EVERYBODY THAT'S, THANK YOU.

IN THE COUNTY'S.

AND THAT JUST GOES TO NEGOTIATION.

WE WILL RESPOND BACK, BUT MR. RO WON'T BE BACK IN UNTIL TWO WEEKS.

SO WE'RE GONNA NEED NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, AND EXTRA TIME OR WHATEVER.

SO BE SOME REASONABLENESS.

UM, SO WE HAVE A, A PORTAL THAT WE REQUEST THAT PEOPLE UTILIZE FOR MAKING FO FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUESTS.

IT'S, THE LINK IS RIGHT

[01:35:01]

THERE.

IT'S ALSO VERY VISIBLE ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

THE, UM, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO USE THE PORTAL.

UH, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND PEOPLE DO, HOWEVER, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

UM, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED FOR AND HAS ALREADY MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON MANY OF OUR PUBLIC RECORDS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE SEARCHABLE.

UH, IT MAKES IT EASY TO TRACK AND FOR US TO PROCESS THE REQUEST.

BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE FOR ALL OF YOU, PARTICULARLY THE, THE, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO USE THE NEXT REQUEST PORTAL, NOR ARE YOU REQUIRED IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SEND THE, UH, FOIA REQUEST, ANY PARTICULAR PERSON.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS CAN CAUSE SOME CONFUSION.

UM, THE ONLY THING THAT THE PERSON HAS TO DO IS IDENTIFY WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WITH SOME SORT OF SPECIFICITY.

SO MY ADVICE TO ALL OF YOU ON THE BOARD, AS IT HAS BEEN TO ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES, IS IF SOMEBODY, ANYBODY SENDS YOU A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION OR A DOCUMENT, TREAT IT AS IF IT'S A FOIA REQUEST.

UM, REACH OUT TO THE, UH, COUNTY FOIA OFFICER WHO CAN THEN HELP PROCESS IT AND HELP YOU WORK THROUGH THE DEADLINES.

UH, INDIVIDUALS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY SOMETIMES GET REQUESTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE FOIA REQUESTS.

AND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE A MAGIC WORD LIKE I AM MAKING A FOIA REQUEST.

IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE A REQUEST THAT IS FOR THAT INFORMATION, I SAY ALWAYS ASSUME IT'S A FOIA REQUEST UNTIL YOU CONFIRM OTHERWISE FROM THE REQUESTER AS A MATTER OF, UM, OF POLICY.

AND AS A MATTER OF OUR COUNTY'S DESIRE FOR TRANSPARENCY, YOU MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN INFORMATION AND ANSWERING A QUESTION.

WORKING PAPERS AND CORRESPONDENCE.

SO, UM, MA FOIA IS A REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN SOME FORM.

YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED AS PART OF FOIA TO ANSWER A QUESTION.

LIKE SOMEBODY JUST SENT YOU A GENERAL QUESTION, CAN YOU TELL ME OR CAN YOU ANSWER THIS X, Y, AND Z? UM, IF THERE'S NOT A DOCUMENT OR IT DOESN'T ASK FOR A SPECIFIC DOCUMENT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER FOIA.

HOWEVER, THE COUNTY'S POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT IF WE COULD ANSWER A QUESTION, WE, WE TRY TO DO SO IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FOIA IS NOT ALWAYS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, WHAT I WOULD CALL ISSUE A SERIES OF INTERROGATORIES TO TRY TO GET, UH, RESPE RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO PRECLUDE YOU FROM SIMPLY ANSWERING A QUESTION IF SOMEBODY DOES, AND HOPEFULLY THAT CLEARS IT UP.

BUT IF IT IS A REQUEST FOR A DOCUMENT, THEN IT'S VOYA.

IF IT'S NOT A REQUEST FOR DOCUMENT, IT'S A REQUEST FOR, UM, A QUESTION, WHICH IS DOES IT TRIGGER FOR YOU? RIGHT.

UM, AND THEN, UM, HERE'S A LIST OF SEVERAL OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE, WE CAN, UH, EXEMPTIONS.

IN MOST CASES, EXEMPTIONS ARE, UH, DISCRETIONARY.

SO THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT MANDATED THAT THEY, THAT THEY BE INVOKED.

UH, IT'S UP TO THE, UM, THE PUBLIC BODY TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

UH, THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE MANDATORY SUCH AS TAX RECORDS, UH, CERTAIN CONFIDENTIAL JUVENILE AND OTHER RECORDS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY SEPARATE STATUTES AND STATE PRIVACY LAWS.

BUT MOST OF THESE ARE, UH, THE TYPES OF EXEMPTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IF YOU MAKE A FOIA REQUEST OR IF, IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN ONE.

SO, PERSONNEL INFORMATION, UH, ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND WORK PRODUCT, PROPRIETARY VENDOR INFORMATION, UM, RECORDS THAT ARE RELATED TO NEGOTIATION AND THE AWARD OF A CONTRACT BEFORE THE CONTRACT IS AWARDED.

UH, ONCE THE CONTRACT IS AWARDED, GENERALLY THAT, UM, EXEMPTION NO LONGER APPLIES, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER EXEMPTION THAT MIGHT COVER IT.

UH, WORKING PAPERS AND CORRESPONDENCE OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND I I ITALICIZE THE, AND BECAUSE IT IS TWO SEPARATE EXEMPTIONS, UH, AND TWO SEPARATE TYPES OF MATERIAL MM-HMM .

AND AS YOU CAN SURMISE, ONE IS MUCH BROADER THAN THE OTHER TAX RECORDS, UM, ARE STATUTORILY PROTECTED WITH PRIVACY PROTECTIONS AND THERE'S POTENTIAL CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR DISCLOSING THOSE.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THAT'S A, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL A MANDATORY EXEMPTION.

SOCIAL SERVICES AND HEALTH RECORDS.

MANY SOCIAL SERVICES RECORDS ARE ALSO COVERED BY PRIVACY PROTECTIONS, PUBLIC SAFETY RECORDS, PERSONAL FINANCIAL INFORMATION SUCH AS CREDIT CARD, BANK, ACCOUNT RECORDS, THINGS THAT COULD IDENTIFY SOMEBODY'S TRANSACTIONS AND, UM, PERSONAL CONTACT INFORMATION.

AND THEN

[01:40:02]

NEW.

AND MR. RON, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SOMETHING HAPPENED SOMEWHERE THAT PROMPTED THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO CLARIFY THIS, BUT, UM, CONTACT INFORMATION FOR MINORS, UH, THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN CERTAIN PROGRAMS ARE NOW EXEMPT FROM FOIA AS A MATTER AS OF JULY 1ST BY STATUTE.

UM, SO THAT'S FOIA.

UM, I WANTED TO MOVE ON BRIEFLY TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT.

AND THIS IS A DISTINCT, UM, PUBLIC LAW THAT IS DISTINCT FROM THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF FOIA AND PUBLIC RECORDS ACT DEALS WITH RECORDS MANAGEMENT AND PRESERVATION.

AND WE HAVE A, UM, A STATE LAW THAT COVERS THIS.

UH, THE LIBRARY OF VIRGINIA IS THE, UM, THE GENERAL SORT OF AUTHORITY ON THIS.

UH, WE HAVE A DESIGNATED PERSON IN YORK COUNTY WHO IS OUR DESIGNATED RECORDS OFFICER, AND THAT IS, UH, DEPUTY CLERK HEATHER SCH HER CONTACT INFORMATION IS HERE.

UM, AND DOESN'T THAT CODE OF VIRGINIA SPECIFY HOW LONG A RECORD CAN EXIST? AND IT MUST BE DELETED AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT TIME? THAT IS GENERALLY CORRECT, YES.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS THERE IN THE SECOND BULLET POINT.

IT REQUIRES THAT RECORDS BE DESTROYED APPROPRIATELY AND TIMELY AND RECORDS KEPT OF THE DESTRUCTION.

UM, AND IT REQUIRES THAT RECORDS BE PRESERVED AS WELL FOR CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME.

AND THERE'S A LINK THERE IF YOU WISH TO UTILIZE IT FOR, IF, IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF SPARE TIME AND WANT TO PERUSE THROUGH THE DETENTION SCHEDULES, YOU MIGHT FIND IT, IT WILL HELP YOU PUT YOU TO SLEEP.

BUT IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY INTERESTING.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALL OF YOU, UH, AND THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH FOIA, AND THAT YOU MAY HAVE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR POSSESSION, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I NOTE THIS, THAT IT'S, YOU MAY HAVE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR POSSESSION THAT ARE NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THE COUNTY.

UM, AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE POSSESSION OF THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY CAN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE THEM AS PART OF A FOIA REQUEST WITHOUT GETTING 'EM FROM YOU.

UM, BUT YOU STILL HAVE AN INDEPENDENT OBLIGATION UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT TO PRESERVE RECORDS IN YOUR CUSTODY.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALL OF YOU IS THAT YOU PRESERVE ALL RECORDS THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF YOUR SERVICE.

DO NOT DESTROY THEM UNTIL, UH, AND UNLESS YOU CONSULT WITH HEATHER ABOUT THE PROPER, BECAUSE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, KEN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECORDS ARE PERMANENT.

WE HAVE TO RETAIN THEM FOREVER.

WHAT DID SHE SAY? ORDER SUPERVISOR HAS TO RETAIN 'EM FOREVER.

AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECORDS HAVE TO BE RETAINED FOREVER MEANS AN E LIKE EMAIL, LIKE A RECORD OR TEXT MESSAGE RECORDS.

SO FINANCIAL, THAT'S FOR RECORDS LIKE YOUR MINUTES, A COPY OF THE 2022, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULD NOT, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL PRODUCER OF THE RECORD.

THERE, THERE'S DISTINCTION THERE.

SO HEATHER IS THE, THE, THE GURU ON ALL THINGS PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO SHE OB IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY ASK HER, BUT AGAIN, THE, THE TAKEAWAY ON THIS IS PRESERVE ALL DOCUMENTS IN YOUR POSSESSION THAT ARE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS AND DO NOT DESTROY THEM THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF YOUR SERVICE AND UNLESS OTHERWISE INSTRUCTED BY THE COUNTY PRESS RECORDS.

BUT IT'S PUBLIC RECORDS, THAT'S THE KEY.

CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S NOT MY HANDWRITTEN NOTES AND MY BOARD MEETING BOOK.

UH, BECAUSE THE BOARD MEETINGS ARE MAINTAINED, RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, THAT, THAT AT LEAST IT DOESN'T HAVE A RETENTION OF A PERMANENT RETENTION PERIOD.

UM, IT'S A TRASH CAN AS SOON AS IT GETS HOME.

SO, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I AM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT.

UH, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT, YOU'VE ALL READ IT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO READ IT.

UM, WE WILL FORWARD YOU, HEATHER WILL FORWARD YOU A LINK TO THE TRAINING SO THAT YOU CAN COMPLETE IT, UM, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND MAKE SURE YOU GET THE CERTIFICATE.

I DID WANT TO JUST DO A VERY QUICK HIGHLIGHT OF OVERVIEW OF SOME THINGS THAT I WANT YOU TO, UM, JUST BE REMINDED OF.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ISSUES ARE GIFTS.

UM, YOU CANNOT ACCEPT ANYTHING OF VALUE EXCEPT FOR COMPENSATION EXPENSES OR OTHER REMUNERATION.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.

UM, BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, YOU CANNOT ACCEPT ANY GIFTS.

YOU CAN'T, OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T ACCEPT ANYTHING OF VALUE IN EXCHANGE FOR GETTING SOMEONE A JOB OR

[01:45:01]

A CONTRACT.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT ONLY A VIOLATION OF KOYA THAT WOULD BE BRIBERY.

UM, YOU CANNOT USE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION THAT YOU ACQUIRE, UM, AS A RESULT OF YOUR STA YOUR, YOUR ROLE IN, UH, ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR AS A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE TO YOUR BENEFIT.

UM, YOU CAN'T ACCEPT ANYTHING OF VALUE, MONEY, LOANS, ET CETERA, OR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL HAVE THE TENDENCY TO INFLUENCE YOU AND THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES.

UM, YOU CAN ACCEPT CERTAIN HONORARIA AND GIFTS.

THERE ARE LIMITS ON THAT, AND THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC RULES.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THAT.

AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP WITH THAT, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONTACT ME, THE COIA COUNSEL, AND WE CAN HELP WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE FOR THAT.

UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT USE YOUR PUBLIC POSITION TO RETALIATE OR THREATEN TO RETALIATE AGAINST SOMEBODY FOR EXPRESSING VIEWS ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN OR EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS THAT ARE PROTECTED BY LAW.

THOSE ARE ALL DRAFTED INTO THE CODE.

THE GIFT RULES APPLY TO ALL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AND THE GIFT THERE IS A $100 GENERAL CAP ON GIFTS BY RECOMMENDATION THOUGH, REGARDLESS OF THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, IS TO BE VERY WARY OF ANY GIFTS REGARDLESS OF VALUE.

AND, AND JUST KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT, IN THAT RABBIT HOLE.

UM, THE BIG THINGS TO BE, TO BE WORRIED ABOUT WITH GIFTS ARE REGISTERED LOBBYISTS.

YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS KNOW IF SOMEBODY THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, SOMEBODY THAT'S OFFERED YOU A GIFT, SOMEBODY THAT YOU'RE HAVING DINNER OR LUNCH WITH, IS A REGISTERED LOBBYIST OR A LOBBYIST PRINCIPAL, THEY'RE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE REGISTERED, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO YOU.

SO AGAIN, BE WARY.

UM, AND ANYBODY WHO'S LOOKING TO MAKE BECOME A PARTY TO A CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT OR THE AGENCY, UM, IS SOMEBODY THAT YOU SHOULD AVOID AT ALL COSTS TAKING ANY GIFTS FROM.

UM, AND THERE'S AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THIS.

I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ANY OF THOSE, BUT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT THEY'RE NARROW AND THEY'RE GONNA BE NARROWLY CONSTRUED AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE VERY WARY OF IT BEFORE YOU DO ACCEPT GIFTS.

UM, THE GO BACK ONE, WHAT WAS THAT FIRST BULLET? UH, GIFTS THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF A PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP IS NOT ALLOWED OR IS WHAT THAT IS ALLOWED, LIKE I LOST TRACK WHERE WE'RE AT.

THAT'S AN EXCEPTION.

SO YOUR WIFE GIVES YOU A CORRECT BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT.

ACCRUE TO YOU BECAUSE OF A SPOUSE OR CHILDREN OR OTHER HOUSEHOLD FAMILY MEMBERS.

, I WANNA SHOW WE IN THE NOT ALLOWED OR ALLOWED PART, IT'S SAYING PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP.

YOU DON'T HAVE PERSONAL FRIENDSHIP WITH YOU WIFE, HER, I DON'T KNOW.

AND, UH, I WOULDN'T JUDGE THAT ONE WITH A, THERE, THERE ARE WAIVERS AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF GIFTS AND TRAVEL, UH, FROM THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST ADVISORY COUNSEL, AND THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT AND MY OFFICE CAN ASSIST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WORKING THROUGH ONE OF THOSE, UM, PERSONAL INTEREST AND CONTRACTS AND TRANSACTIONS.

UH, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THE RULES ON THIS ARE HIGHLY FACTUALLY SPECIFIC TO EACH INDIVIDUAL SITUATION.

AND THE, UM, THE, THE MAIN RULES THAT, THAT I WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE ME ARE THE RULES THAT APPLY TO THE SUPERVISORS MEMBERS.

AND, UH, THE FO THE COIA COUNCIL, UH, IS VERY SPECIFIC ON THE EXTENSION OF THESE TRANSACTION AND RULES TO PERSONAL INTERESTS OF SPOUSES AND FAMILY MEMBERS AND CHILDREN.

SO BE MINDFUL OF THE INTERESTS THAT YOUR SPOUSES, YOUR CHILDREN, UM, AND YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS MAY HAVE THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A, AN INADMISSIBLE UH, PERSONAL, UM, INTEREST.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPES OF PROHIBITED TRANSACTIONS, UH, ANY CONTRACT WITH YOUR GOVERNING BODY, UM, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, UH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE NARROW.

UM, YOU CANNOT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT, UM, WITH, UM, ANOTHER GOVERNING BODY.

IF YOUR GOVERNING BODY IS THE, UM, POINTS TO THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S A VARIETY OF TRANSACTIONS THAT YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO DISQUALIFY YOURSELF.

AND AGAIN, I NOTE THE IN ITALIES FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, THAT THIS ALSO INCLUDES INTERESTS THAT MAY

[01:50:01]

UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE EXCEPTIONS AND THE RULES ARE VERY FACTUALLY SPECIFIC.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THESE, CONTACT MY OFFICE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A FORMAL OPINION.

UH, I WOULD CAUTION YOU THAT IF YOU DO SEEK AN OPINION, EITHER FROM MYSELF OR FROM THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY OR FROM THEO COUNSEL, THAT UM, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU PROVIDE ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION BECAUSE THE OPINION CAN PROVIDE YOU SOME PROTECTION FROM PROSECUTION, BUT ONLY IF IT IS BASED AND FOUND UPON FACTS, COMPLETE AND ACCURATE, TRUTHFUL INFORMATION WHEN IT IS PROVIDED.

UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO FILE CERTAIN DISCLOSURE FORMS AND THE CLERK DOES SEND REMINDERS OUT ABOUT THOSE.

AND THERE'S DEADLINES FOR THOSE.

AND THOSE DEADLINES, IF YOU DON'T MEET 'EM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, NOTIFY THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY IN THE CASE OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT MEET THE DEADLINES.

UM, AND TO SKIP OVER THAT, THERE'S, YOU COULD BE SUBJECT TO A PENALTY OR A FINE IF YOU DON'T FILE ON TIME.

AND THEN CERTAIN OTHER VIOLATIONS OF KOYA CAN DISMISSAL CONSTITUTE MALFEASANCE AND HIGHER PENALTIES SUCH AS MISDEMEANORS OR IN THE CASE OF BRIBERY THAT I MENTIONED, FOR INSTANCE, THERE COULD BE SIGNIFICANT CRIMINAL PENALTIES ASSOCIATED.

SO, AND DISMISSAL.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT.

YOU, THANK YOU.

ASK IF THERE'S QUESTIONS.

NO, I THINK WE'RE DONE.

NO QUESTION.

AND THE QUESTION WE DO ASK IS BECAUSE WE WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT.

BUT IT'S VERY CONFUSING, SO YEAH.

YOU JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT.

ALRIGHT, I'LL

[D. Consent Calendar]

MOVE ON TO CONSENT CALENDAR.

WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT.

NUMBER FOUR IS REQUEST OF REFUND OF REAL ESTATE TAXES FOR SETTLEMENT.

NUMBER FIVE IS RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR FIREFIGHTER, UH, JASON MEDFORD.

NUMBER SIX IS RESOLUTION TO APPROVE ARTS FUNDING.

AND NUMBER SEVEN IS ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1 DEPLOYMENT GRANT FUNDS.

I'D LIKE ON NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER SEVEN TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE FOUR AND FIVE.

ABSENT, WHAT'D YOU SAY? SIX AND SEVEN? NO, I WANTED FURTHER DISCUSSION ON SIX AND SEVEN.

AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSSION.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE, THEN WE'LL MOVE.

SO THE ARTS FUNDING, UH, SHERRY, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? $80,000? MM-HMM .

UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, ARTS COMMISSION FALLS UNDER OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONS DIVISION.

UM, AND SHANNON GEORGE IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE ARTS COMMISSION.

THEY MEET ABOUT SIX TIMES A YEAR, MAYBE SEVEN TIMES A YEAR.

UM, WHEN YOU SEE THE LIST OF THE PROGRAMS THAT THEY'VE SUPPORTED, THEY EACH TAKE THREE TO FOUR OR MAYBE FIVE OF THOSE AND THEY ACTUALLY ATTEND MM-HMM .

AND THEN THEY ALL, AND THEY'RE INVITED TO ALL THE OTHER ONES.

THEY'LL ATTEND THAT AS WELL.

BUT THEY DO, UM, THE, THE GROUP OR, UM, THEY FOLLOW THE, UM, THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CARRIED OUT THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE ONE DID NOT HAPPEN AND WE REQUESTED THE MONEY BACK AND WE DID GET THE MONEY BACK.

THAT'S WHEN THE WAS OVERSEEING THAT.

SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO THIS BUCKET OF MONEY MM-HMM .

GOES TO FUNDING THOSE PROGRAMS YES.

THE COUNTY RESIDENTS PARTICIPATE IN.

BRINGING ARTS TO THE, TO OUR LOCALITY.

AND IF YOU SHIFT TO PAGE 11 OF THAT SECTION IN XD EIGHT OFTEN INCLUDES STATE FUNDING.

THERE IS SOME STATE FUNDING THAT THEY DO GET.

SO 500 AND ARTS IS, IS A PRETTY BROAD TOPIC.

IT'S NOT LIKE PAINTINGS.

NOT PAINTINGS, NOT JUST, YEAH.

IT'S LIKE THE SYMPHONY AND, RIGHT.

BIP, DRUM CORE LIVING, MUSEUM, DANCE, UM, LITERARY ARTS, MEDIA ARTS.

IT'S BROAD BASED MUSIC, THEATER, MUSEUMS, VISUAL AND RELATED ARTS.

PREVIOUSLY, UH, 439 UH THOUSAND.

SO IT'S A BROAD SPECTRUM.

TERRY, IF I COULD CALL ON YOU FOR NUMBER SEVEN, NEXT GEN.

THIS IS THE NEXT GEN DEPLOYMENT GRANT FUNDS.

COULD YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHERE WE'RE ON THE GRANT FUNDING AND, AND WHAT THIS SPECIFIC ONE IS? SURE.

SO WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YOU TALLER.

WE RECEIVED

[01:55:01]

SO NINE $33 TO DEPLOY NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1 SERVICES.

WE'VE UTILIZED THAT AS A BREAKDOWN.

$300,000 OF IT USED TOWARDS OUR CALL HANDLING EQUIPMENT OR THE RE UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TELEPHONE SYSTEMS THAT THE NINE ONE ONE OPERATORS ANSWER.

OUR CALL HANDLING EQUIPMENT.

UH, I THREE SERVICES, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, BACK, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, COMMONWEALTH VIRGINIA CAME IN WITH A MANDATE AND THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A FUNDED MANDATE TO PUT 9 1 1 ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA FOR NEXT GENERATION.

WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT THEY TOOK OUT ALL THE COPPER IN THE GROUND AND THEY PUT THE INTERNET IN AND WE PUT IT IN FROM TWO, TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES IN EVERY 9 1 1 CENTER.

SO THAT, UH, BILL INCREASE, THEY TOOK CARE OF THAT FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN THEY OPENED UP A GRANT PROCESS TO PAY FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT.

AND THIS FIRST $217 AND $944.

THIS FIRST GRANT IS A REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE DELTA.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE WERE PAYING VERIZON FOR THE COPPER AND WHAT IT COSTS NOW FOR THE INTERNET, THEY WILL DO THAT ONE MORE YEAR, IT'S ANTICIPATED.

AND AFTER THAT WE'LL PICK UP THE $217,000 A YEAR FROM THERE FORWARD.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY A REIMBURSEMENT FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE BEEN COLLECTING.

9 1 1 TAX ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.

THIS IS A WAY TO GET OUR MONEY OUT OF IT.

CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING.

I, I DO WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT MR. HALL IS A GRANT MONSTER .

YES, HE IS.

I, I ASKED THERESA ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY 'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THESE GRANTS THAT HE HAD GOT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, HE'S BROUGHT IN OVER TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN GRANTS.

SO FOR 9 1 1, WE DO OTHER THINGS REGIONALLY.

SO, AND THAT HAPPENS ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION AS WELL.

BUT HE, HE'S HERE TONIGHT AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT STAFF OVERALL TRIES TO DO A GREAT JOB WITH THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS THAT COME TO THE COUNTY, WHETHER THERE'S STAFF GRANTS OR 9 1 1 GRANTS, ET CETERA.

HE'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL LATELY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MR. BE THANK YOU.

SO THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALRIGHT.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

[E. Open Discussion]

I'M GLAD.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OPEN DISCUSSION.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT, UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AT THIS TIME.

I'M GOOD.

I GOT ONE THING I WANT TO SHARE.

SO THIS PAST SUNDAY AT CHURCH WAS OUR ANNUAL GRADUATION RECOGNITION CEREMONY.

I THINK WE HAD LIKE 16 PEOPLE PARTICIPATE AND HAD SOME, UM, LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES.

A HEALTHY NUMBER OF FOLKS GOING TO CHRISTIAN NEWPORT UNIVERSITY.

MY, MY SCHOOLS.

THAT WAS NICE TO SEE.

AND WE HAD SOME COLLEGE GRADUATES.

WE GOT, UH, ONE PERSON GOING TO THE, UH, INTO THE AIR FORCE.

UM, ANOTHER PERSON GOING TO THE COAST GUARD, SOME PEOPLE GOING RIGHT INTO THE WORKFORCE.

THERE'S A GOOD VARIETY OF PEOPLE, BUT THE LAST NAME IS CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD 'CAUSE I WASN'T EXPECTING IT.

AND THE LAST NAME WAS FOR OUR VERY OWN HEATHER SHOT.

AND IN FACT, FOR A SPLIT SECOND, WHEN THE, WHEN THE PASTOR MET YOU, A NAME AND WENT, HOW ABOUT THAT? I KNOW HEATHER SHOT TOO.

THEY WERE, OH, THAT IS HEATHER SHOT BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WERE TAKING A COURSE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW YOUR READ COMPLETION.

SO YOU HAVE NOW COMPLETED YOUR GRADUATE STUDY FOR LIBERTY UNIVERSITY AND APPLYING ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

SO CONGRATULATIONS.

AND I'M GOING, THIS IS NOT GOOD .

HAPPY FOR YOU.

WAS HAPPY TO SEE YOUR NAME UP THERE.

AWESOME.

TO EXCUSE.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO, NOT TO THAT, BUT TO THE POINT IS THAT I, TODAY I WITNESSED SOMETHING I, I HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

HOPEFULLY NEVER SEE AGAIN AS I WAS ON OCEAN VIEW, UM, DOING ABOUT 25 MILES AN HOUR DOWN THE ROAD, OFF THE RIGHT WAS, UH, DOMINION POWER.

AND THEY WERE, LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT A POLE INTO THE GROUND OR DRILL IN A HOLE TO PUT A POLE IN THE GROUND.

AND THEY HIT A GAS LINE .

AND THEY, IT GOT MY ATTENTION REAL QUICK BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE AN EXPLOSION, BUT IT WAS JUST A GAS BLOWING OUT OF THE LINE AND IT WENT UP.

UH, NO FLAMES, THANK HEAVENS.

BUT THE GUY THAT WAS STANDING NEXT TO IT WAS JARRED PRETTY GOOD.

AND ANOTHER GUY STARTED RUNNING THE OTHER WAY.

[02:00:01]

SO I, I KIND OF GOT DOWN THE ROAD AND I KEPT LOOKING BACK AND I KEPT THINKING, ALL THESE CARS NOW COMING DOWN THAT ROAD RIGHT NEXT TO THIS THING.

AND THIS IS, AND I MEAN, HIS GAS IS JUST BILLOWING OUT.

AND I, I WITNESSED THAT.

SO I SAID, WELL, I GOTTA GET TO MY MEETING, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO I TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK AND THE, AND THE GAS FUMES WERE AMAZING.

SO I TOLD THE PEOPLE THERE, I SAID, IF YOU, UM, YOU HEAR A LOUD EXPLOSION, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

SO FORTUNATELY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

I HOPE THAT EVERYTHING WENT ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT IS IT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO CALL 'EM MISS UTILITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THESE GAS LINES AND THE EXPERTS EVIDENTLY DIDN'T KNOW.

'CAUSE 9 1 1, I MEAN, NOT 9 1 1, BUT I MEAN THE POWER THEY WERE DIG RIGHT INTO, UH, A GAS LINE.

IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING.

MM-HMM.

UM, THE, AND THE DAY I DID, UM, UM, UM, THEY HAD A TOUR BECAUSE OF THE HR T STUFF I'M DOING IN THE CHAIRMAN, UH, UM, CHAIRMAN PONDS.

AND, AND I WENT DOWN AND THEY GAVE US A TOUR OF THE TUNNEL.

UM, THE, UH, IT'S AMAZING, UH, LOOKING AT THE TUNNEL TUNNEL NOW, WHAT I'M SEEING IS MORPHING INTO SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T JUST LIKE A BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND.

I MEAN A RIGGED ROUND TUBE.

IT'S NOW GETTING TONS OF, OF UH, UH, ROAD BASE BEING PUT IN.

UH, THERE, UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY, AND THEY'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, YOU HEAR MORE ABOUT IT IF YOU HAVE AN ACCIDENT IN THE TUNNEL.

UM, THERE ARE NO ELEVATORS OR ANYTHING OUT OF THERE.

WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO THERE IS AN ESCAPE ROUTE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE.

BUT IT'S NOT THIS LITTLE RAIL THING THAT WAS NEVER A CROWD CONTROL.

IT'S A TUNNEL.

UM, IT'S A TUNNEL.

IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S IN THE WALL.

IT'S A TUNNEL AND THERE'S A DOOR YOU OPEN UP AND THEN YOU GO DOWN THE SIDE.

UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN THE OLD TUNNELS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO THAT, BUT THEY, THEY JUST TELL YOU BASICALLY JUST GET OUT AND RUN TOWARDS THE NEAREST OPENING, WHICH IS WHERE YOU CAME IN OR WENT OUT MM-HMM .

BUT, UH, YEAH, 2028 IS WHEN THEY'RE STILL OFFICIALLY SAYING THE TUNNEL'S GONNA BE OPEN.

UM, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE, IF IT'S GONNA BE 28, UH, OR 27, BUT IF IT'S GONNA PROBABLY MORE LIKELY BE 28, EARLY 28.

AND, UM, THE, UH, UH, HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACTS LANES, THEY WILL GO, THEY'LL START AT, UH, NEAR JEFFERSON MM-HMM .

HERE AND GO ALL THE WAY TO BOWERS HILL.

AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE, AND I'VE ASKED THAT.

WHAT WE DO IS WHEN THEY START DISTRIBUTING THE MAPS FOR THE EXIT POINTS, SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I WAS AFRAID TO GET ON THE DEAD GUM THING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GONNA COME OFF WHEN YOU COME OFF.

AND SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT IT DESIGNED PRETTY WELL THAT IF YOU'RE GOING LIKE OFF OF GREEN BRIAR OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT, YOU CAN PEEL OUT AND GO OFF THERE.

UM, BUT IT'S UM, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING, UH, TO WATCH.

AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY, THEY'RE CLEARING OUT THE OLD STUFF.

UH, THEY GOT A COUPLE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE OUT THE OLD TRESTLES.

UH, YOU CAN, WHEN YOU SEE A MAP OF IT, THE TRESTLES THAT YOU'RE RIDING ON MOSTLY NOW ARE THE OLD ONES, EXCEPT FOR WHEN YOU GO EASTBOUND AND THE NEW TRESTLES ARE THERE AND THEY'VE, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE ENGINEERING FEAT TO WATCH HOW THEY'VE DONE ALL THIS STUFF.

SO ANYWAYS, GOOD PROGRESS AND, UH, PROBABLY, UH, WE'LL SEE IN THE NEXT, UH, YEAR OR SO.

IT'S NOT FUN TO DRIVE RIGHT NOW.

NO, IT'S NOT FUN TO DRIVE AT ALL.

AT ALL.

AND, UM, AND IT'S, UM, UM, IT'S JUST ALMOST HEARKENS BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN WE HAD NOTHING AND IT WAS JAMMING UP.

I'VE SPENT, I'VE SPENT WELL OVER HOUR, TWO HOURS TRYING TO JUST GET OFF THE PENINSULA, GOING DOWN THERE AND HAVE A MEETING.

IT'S FRUSTRATING.

AND, UM, YEAH.

IN FACT, THE LAST, UH, TPO MEETING MM-HMM .

UH, IT WAS, UH, TOOK TWO HOURS TO GET THROUGH THERE.

IT WAS JUST DRIVES YOU NUTS.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS BACK IN YOU A HORSE AND BUGGY DAYS, RIGHT? UH, I THINK WE HAD MODEL TS .

IT'S INTERESTING.

I SAW A VIDEO TODAY ON FACEBOOK.

THEY HAD VIDEOTAPED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TUNNEL.

IT WAS AMAZING.

IT IS, IT WAS AMAZING.

SO YOU'RE LUCKY THAT THAT PIPE WAS DRILLED DIRECTLY DOWN THE TOP BECAUSE THAT MEANT THE GAS WENT STRAIGHT UP.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING, RIGHT? DID THE SIDEWAYS, NO.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE IT GO UP, NO DISTRIBUTION OR NO, WHEN YOU SEE IT GO UP, YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THE GAS, THE GAS, YOU SEE THE GAS.

EVEN WAS, EVENTUALLY IT WOULD REACH AN EXPLOSIVE CONDITION, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET UP AS LONG AS IT WASN'T NEAR MY CAR.

BUT IT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT WAS SCARY.

IT WOULD REALLY CUT MY ATTENTION.

THAT IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION TO BE IN.

CAN YOU TAKE US INTO CLOSE MEETING? OKAY.

I HAD ONE COMMENT.

UM, WE HAVE A CDR GRAND OPENING ON THE 11TH OF THIS MONTH, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.

THEY'VE GOT THAT NEW BUILDING BUILT AND, UH, COLLECTED ALL THE FUNDS THEY NEEDED FOR THAT AND, UM, HAVE AN AMAZING, UH, PRODUCT.

SO HAVING SAID, MR. SHEPHERD,

[F. Closed Meeting]

UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A ONE OF CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVED THAT THE BOARD SUPERVISORS CONVENE AN ENCLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER

[02:05:01]

A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

ARE YOU JUST HERE? THIS IS, NO, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

DID YOU CALL? YES.

YES, MR. JUROR, YOU GOTTA SPEAK LOUDER.

MR. BROWN? YES.

MR. SHEPHERD? YES, MR. BOY? YES.