[Board of Supervisors Work Session on April 9, 2026.]
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I WILL CALL THIS, UH, BUDGET WORK SESSION APRIL OF APRIL 9TH, 2026.UH, TO ORDER ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CRP.
UH, BUT TO START WITH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM PMA ARCHITECTURE, UH, THIS AFTERNOON ON SOME DESIGN ALTERNATIVES FOR THE COURTHOUSE, UH, EXPANSION IN THE BROADER YORKTOWN CAMPUS.
AND THESE THINGS BASICALLY BUILD ON THE STUDY THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT TO US.
SO I SHARED ALSO THIS, UH, A MEMORANDUM WITH YOU ALL THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT HOW WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THIS, HOPING TO, TO BRING IT BACK INTO CONTEXT FOR YOU.
SO TODAY'S DISCUSSION REALLY IS INTENDED TO BUILD ON OUR PRIOR CONVERSATIONS AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SUPPORT WHAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO HEAD IN THIS DIRECTION.
SO, AND THEN FOLLOWING P MA'S PRESENTATION, SUSAN AND I ARE GOING REAL QUICKLY, GO THROUGH SOME CIP CHANGES THAT THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT, AND, UH, I THINK MOSTLY THAT WILL, WE'LL FINISH THIS UP FOR THIS EVENING AND WHATEVER THE BOARD MAY HAVE IN TERMS OF COMMENTS.
SO, I WOULD START WITH, UH, MR. GEL AND, UH, WHO ELSE WERE YOU GONNA BRING UP WITH YOU? UH, A COUPLE OF THE FOLKS WHO'VE WORKED ON THIS.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US COME AND BE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, GOOD TO YOU AGAIN, MR. BELLAMY INTRODUCED, UH, I GUESS WHAT BROUGHT US TO TODAY, UM, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY WAS REALLY, UH, PROMPTED BY, UH, THE STUDY REVEALING THAT EXPANDING THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE, UM, AND BUILDING A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CENTER ON THE EXISTING PROPERTIES.
THE WAY WE WERE LOOKING AT IT BEFORE, UM, WE WERE RUNNING INTO A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS.
UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE IMPLICATIONS WAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY PARKING.
AND THE OTHER IMPLICATION WAS THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO EXTENSIVE RENOVATION TO THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE.
UM, THE IDEA SURFACED OF LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
AND THAT ALTERNATIVE, UM, IN THE BEGINNING, THAT ALTERNATIVE SOUNDED PREPOSTEROUS.
BUT, UM, NOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S 'CAUSE IT CAME FROM TOM AND I,
WELL, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME, ANYTIME YOU START OFF WITH LET'S BUILD A NEW BUILDING, YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME SCAN LOOKS.
AND, UM, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
COULD WE RELAX SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS, REMOVE SOME OF THE CONFLICTS THAT WERE CAUSING US TO HAVE TO DO STRUCTURED PARKING DECKS WITH A NEW BUILDING AND GET A, GET A MORE, REALLY, A LESS COMPLEX SOLUTION THAT COULD WORK ON SURFACE PARKING.
AND AFTER THE STUDY OF IT, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE, A COUPLE OF OPTIONS LOOK LIKE.
NOW, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT'S THE, THESE ARE THE ONLY WAYS TO DO IT.
THIS WAS A STUDY TO DETERMINE CAN IT BE DONE AND WOULD IT COME IN AND ALLOW US TO DO IT LESS INTENSIVELY, UH, WITHOUT ALL THE COMPLEXITIES.
AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS, IS THAT, UH, A NEW BUILDING WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GET THE COURT SOLUTION EXACTLY RIGHT AND DO THAT THE FASTEST.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILD USES IN DEPARTMENTS INTO THE OLD COURTHOUSE WITH A, A LESS INTENSIVE RENOVATION.
UM, THAT IS WHAT WE WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH.
SO THIS AFTERNOON, UM, UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM THAT'S HERE.
WE'VE GOT, UH, KEITH VENTRES, WHO IS YOUR COURTS PLANNER.
AND KEITH WILL COME UP AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE PLANS.
UM, I, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT ANYONE LOOKING AT PLANS NOW JUST NEED TO REALIZE THESE ARE DIAGRAMS TO SHOW YOU BASICALLY WHERE THINGS COULD GO AND THAT IT ALL FITS.
WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL COURTHOUSE DESIGN.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CAME TO DO REALLY.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE SOLVED IS THAT SPACE.
WE'VE REVIEWED IT WITH, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE
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CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.UM, I THINK HE FEELS COMFORTABLE THAT THERE'S A SOLUTION IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
BUT THE REAL SOLUTION, IF YOU MOVE AHEAD, WOULD HAVE TO BE, WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT IN A DESIGN PHASE.
WE'RE HERE TO SAY THAT AS A PACKAGE, THIS CAN WORK, IT CAN FIT ON THE SITE, AND HERE'S ROUGHLY THE WAY IT WOULD LAY OUT.
SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE, UM, RP PATEL, UM, MY PARTNER AND THAD RICH FROM THE TIMMONS GROUP TO COME TO THE TABLE AND WALK YOU, WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, THE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE.
SO, LOOKING AT THIS NEW COURTHOUSE BUILDING CONCEPT, WE, UH, CAME UP WITH SOME, SOME GOALS.
AND IT WAS TO RELOCATE ALL OF THE COURT UNITS AND COURT FUNCTIONS INTO A NEW, UH, COURTHOUSE BUILDING.
UM, CONVERT THE CURRENT COURTHOUSE INTO COUNTY ADMINISTRATION OFFICE USES, KEEP THE FINANCE BUILDING UP AND RUNNING AND MOVE THE, OR KEEP THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND TREASURER NEEDS, UM, WITH ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR ADMINISTRATION USES TO GROW INTO.
AND THEN WITH THESE TWO OPTIONS, IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO KEEP ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TOURISM BUILDING IN USE AND IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, SOME ADVANTAGES OF A NEW COURTHOUSE AT THE EXISTING SITE.
UM, IT'LL MEET THE LONG-TERM COURT NEEDS, UH, WITHOUT ANY COMPLEX RENOVATIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, ALSO ALLOWING FOR FUTURE LONG-TERM GROWTH.
UM, IT'LL BE A LOWER COST TO MEET THE 20 YEAR COURT AND ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS AS A WHOLE COMBINED, UM, IT'LL, THIS IS A BIG ONE, ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR STRUCTURED PARKING AND PARKING DECKS AND THE EARLY YEARS OF THE PROJECT.
AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, FINANCE BUILDING AND ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE NEEDS CAN BE USED AND MET, UM, WITH WHAT WE PREDICT DIFFERENT SPACE NEEDS AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS.
DOES THAT NOT NEED TO BE RENOVATED? THE FINANCE BUILDING? MM-HMM
AS DEPARTMENTS WILL GROW INTO THE SPACE AND SOME WILL MOVE OUT, IT'LL NEED TO BE RENOVATED, BUT NOT AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
IT COULD BE A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT IT WON'T BE AS IN DEPTH OR AS MUCH OF A INTENSIVE RENOVATION AS, UM, AS WE ORIGINALLY HAD THOUGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY PHASED 'CAUSE YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE IT HERE FIRST BEFORE YOU THEN TACKLE THAT BUILDING.
UM, AND THIS WILL BUILD ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS HERE ON SITE CURRENTLY.
UM, SO JUST TO ORIENT EVERYBODY, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, COURTHOUSE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, UH, CAMPUS.
WE'VE GOT THE EXISTING ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, WHICH WE ARE, UM, SAYING WOULD BE DEMOLISHED FOR FUTURE PARKING NEEDS.
THE EXISTING ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TOURISM BUILDING, UM, WHICH CAN REMAIN IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND IN USE MM-HMM
THE FINANCE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE USED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE NEEDS.
AND THEN THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE, WHICH WILL BE CONVERTED TO ADMINISTRATIVE NAMES AS WELL.
SO GOING INTO OUR FIRST OPTION, UM, HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW THREE STORY COURTHOUSE.
UM, IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT'LL FIT RIGHT ON THE SITE TO THE RIGHT OF THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, KEEPING THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND TREASURER IN THE FINANCE BUILDING, ALLOWING THEM SOME ELBOW ROOM TO GROW INTO WITH THE BUILDING AND ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS CAN MOVE INTO THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE.
AND THEN THA WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITE LAYOUT AND PARKING.
UM, SO LIKE DOUG MENTIONED, UH, PHASING IS GONNA BE A BIG COMPONENT OF HOW THINGS ARE LAID OUT ON THE SITE.
UM, BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THE SITE IN DEPTH, I WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? THERE WE GO.
SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT'S TO BE DEMOLISHED.
WE'VE GOT THE FINANCE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP, AND THEN THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GONNA RENOVATE AND KEEP MM-HMM
UM, SO THE TRICK IS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION ON SITE WHILE ALLOWING ALL OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES TO CONTINUE AS THEY COULD WITH THE LEAST INTERRUPTION POSSIBLE.
SO WE LANDED HERE, UM, TRYING TO CREATE A COURTYARD FEEL WITH THE FINANCE BUILDING AND THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE TO BE RENOVATED TO THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND THEN THE NEW COURTHOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S A THREE STORY OPTION.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE THERE IN THAT CORNER.
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GREATLY.THERE'S A BIG, UH, DRAW THAT'S FILLING THE POND.
AND THEN THE STREAM, HOW TALL IS IT? IS A THREE STORY OPTION.
45 TO 50 FEET, WHAT? 45 TO 40 FEET.
SO THIS, THIS ONE WILL BE A LITTLE TALLER THAN THE OTHER OPTION THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
BUT, BUT WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, WE CAN USE THAT TO OUR ADVANTAGE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A, A BASEMENT UNDERNEATH THE THREE STORIES.
SO ALL OF THE PROGRAM FITS WITHIN THOSE FOUR STORIES.
UM, SO BY PLACING THE BUILDING IN THIS CORNER, WE CAN ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING WHILE THE COURTHOUSE REMAINS OPERATIONAL.
THEN ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE COURTHOUSE IS FINISHED, WE CAN MOVE, MOVE THEM INTO THERE.
AND THEN WE CAN MOVE, RENOVATE THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE FOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND THEN MOVE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION INTO THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE OUT AS MUCH AS WE WANT OF THAT, THAT PARCEL TO THE NORTHWEST THERE THAT YOU SEE AND PUT THE SURFACE PARKING THERE.
SO THE ADVANTAGE WITH, WITH THIS OPTION IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO STRUCTURED PARKING TO MEET THE NEEDS IN THE IMMEDIATE PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PHASING REGARDLESS, THOUGH.
IS IT THREE STORIES, THE COURTHOUSE, THREE STORIES ABOVE GROUND? YES, SIR.
IS THAT, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE UN SUB SUBFLOOR TOO BASEMENT? SO THAT'S THREE STORIES OVER TOP OF A BASEMENT, SO YES, SIR.
SO FOUR STORIES ALTOGETHER, BASICALLY.
AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE, ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES HOW THOSE FLOORS ARE BROKEN UP, BUT THAT IS CORRECT.
SO ALSO AT THIS OPTION, IT ALLOWS FOR US TO SEGREGATE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SO WE'LL HAVE A SECURE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM HERE, BUT WE'RE ENVISIONING THAT THE EXISTING PARKING LOT SERVING THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE CAN BE FENCED IN BEHIND THE FINANCE BUILDING TO CREATE A SECURE LOT FOR STAFF.
UM, JUDGES AND, AND SHERIFF OPERATIONS.
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THERE'S A DA OR TWO HOUR PARKING UP FRONT, UH, THAT YOU CAN COME IN AND OUT OF.
AND THEN THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC PARKING WOULD BE NORTH OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON BOULEVARD.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION ON THAT.
IS IT, IS THE PARKING ALSO PHASED? YES, SIR.
YEAH, WE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A PORTION ABOVE ALEXANDER HAMILTON, CONVERT THAT TO PARKING.
WHILE SOME OF THIS CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON, PARKING WOULD LIKELY NEED TO BE PHASED.
I NOTICED ON THE SLIDE IT SAYS, I GUESS IN THIS VIEW, LOOKING AT 632 PARKING SPACES.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE NEEDED FOR HIM? ADMIN, SLIDE, FINANCE, UH, TREASURER AND COURTHOUSE EMPLOYEES AND STAFF TODAY I CAN, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PARKING NEED IS ABOUT 200, 200 TO 250 DEPENDING ON HOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACCOUNT FOR VISITORS.
UM, AND THEN THE COURTS PARKING IS ABOUT, UH, FIRST, LET'S SAY THE BEGINNING PHASE OF THIS, AROUND 450 PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN THAT'S PROJECTED TO GROW, YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE, OVER THE 20 YEARS TO A TOTAL OF ABOUT 800 PARKING SPACES.
THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS, IN THIS VIEW HERE, DOES THIS GIVE US AN OPTION FOR EVENT PARKING AS, AS WELL? THAT'S WHERE I WAS KIND OF THINKING.
AND, AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS OPTION, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT THAT'S UNTOUCHED FOR THE MOST PART MM-HMM
SO, SO THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE RE REORGANIZED.
IT CAN BE REORGANIZED TO GET MORE SPACES OUT OF IT, IN OUR OPINION.
BUT, AND, AND THIS OPTION, AS YOU SEE TODAY, WE LEFT IT AS IS QUESTION, I GUESS.
'CAUSE IT'LL BE CLEAR ON THIS.
AND I LOOKED AT, I LOOKED AHEAD, I GUESS, UM, AT YOUR OTHER LOCATION, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT
WELL, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK, IT'S GONNA BE EASIER TO LOOK AT IT HERE.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF A THIRD OPTION OF LONG WAYS ALONG ALEXANDER HAMILTON INSTEAD OF ADJACENT TO ROUTE 17, BUT TAKE UP THAT FRONT PART OF THE PARKING, YOU'D HAVE PARKING ON THE, OUT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT AND LEAVE ALL THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE NOW YOU COULD EVEN ADD PARKING ON THIS OTHER SIDE WITH IT WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE COURTHOUSE.
WAS THAT A CONSIDERATION? SO YES, SIR.
WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND, AND THE, WE DID NOT LOOK AT PUTTING THIS SMALL THREE STORY FOOTPRINT IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY IS WORKING WITH US HERE.
SO WE CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OR ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT WOULD SERVE THE SECURITY LOT FOR SHERIFF TO BRING THEIR,
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THE PRISONERS IN, OR FOR THE JUDGES TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR, THEIR PARKING UNDER OR IN THE BASEMENT LEVEL.UM, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT FOOTPRINT AND MOVE IT TO THE PLACE THAT YOU'RE SUGGEST SUGGESTING THERE, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TOPOGRAPHY TO WORK WITH US AND TO GET THE ROAD NETWORKS TO WORK, IT WOULDN'T MAKE AS MUCH SENSE.
SO WE DID LOOK AT A, A SMALLER, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE, UH, IN THE SECOND OPTION, UM, OR A, A TWO FLOOR OPTION OVER OUR BASEMENT.
I WAS THINKING THE LARGER ONE WOULD GO OVER THERE.
NOT, YEAH, NOT THE SMALLER ONE.
THE LARGER ONE WOULD NOT FIT IN US TO BE ABLE TO GET THE FIRE ACCESS THAT WE NEED AROUND THAT.
AND, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH THE BUILDING, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, STEVEN, OFF HOURS, THAT'S A HUGE PARKING LOT BACK THERE.
COULD BE USED FOR OFFSITE PARKING DURING A D COULD LEAVE THE GATE
NEXT I'LL HAVE, UH, KEITH, PINTEREST, OUR COURTS CONSULTANT COME UP AND EXPLAIN, GO THROUGH THE PLANS OF THE, UH, COURTHOUSE BUILDING.
SO MY JOB HAS BEEN TO WORK WITH THE COURTS TO SORT OF LAY OUT THEIR, THE TRENDS THAT GO TO CASELOAD, THAT GO TO PERSONNEL AND SPACE AND DETAIL THAT SPACE, AND THEN SORT OF COME UP SUGGESTIONS ON HOW THE BUILDING COULD BE ORGANIZED TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.
SO THAT'S, WE'LL LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS TODAY.
AND SO THE RED AREA REPRESENTS THE DETAINEE AREA.
WE WOULD HAVE SECURE JUDGES PARKING UNDER THE BUILDING AND SOME MAINTENANCE AREA UNDER THE BUILDING.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BASEMENT IS NOT THE SAME SIZE AS THE TOTAL FOOTPRINT.
UM, BUT IT IS ORGANIZED TO KEEP ALL OF THE SECURE DETAINEE HOLDING IN THE BASEMENT AS WELL AS PARKING A TER AND ALL OF IT.
UM, WE BELIEVE SO THAT WOULD BE MORE SO NO WINDOWS.
THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF THE BACK OF THE BUILDING FROM THAT SECURE ACCESS FRONT WHERE YOU WOULD NEED THE SALLY PORT AND WHERE PRISONERS ARE TRANSPORTED.
SO THE SALLY PORT IS WHERE DOWN BELOW IS LARGE ENOUGH TO GET POLICE VEHICLE INTO YES.
I, I BELIEVE WE'VE SIZED IT FOR A VAN.
I WAS TRYING TO PICTURE THE EXISTING LAYOUT COMPARISON.
THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR NOW ABOVE THE BASEMENT.
AND, AND THIS MODEL, WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE A, UH, LESS, SORRY, ONE QUESTION.
SO THE PLEASE, SO THE DRIVEWAY IS AT, AT, AT THE TOP HERE, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE JUDGE'S PARKING WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
EAST WOULD COME IN, THAT'S WHAT I CALL, YEAH.
STAIRS ON THE RIGHT OVER HERE.
SO THERE, SO THERE SHOULD BE, THE SALLY PORT WOULD BE FROM THE OUTSIDE, BOTTOM AT THE BOTTOM, JUST COMPLETELY SEPARATE OPENING, BEEN OPENING INTO THIS AREA FOR THE REASON THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT, UM, PRISONERS COMING IN AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THE JUDGE'S PARK.
SO THAT'S AN ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.
I THINK THAT'S AT VERY BOTTOM WHERE YOU SEE THAT, UH, BOX DRAWN.
WHAT IS THAT? OH, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE WAY.
FOR THE, FOR WHAT SALLY? THIS IS ROAD, THIS IS SALLY PORT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS SALLY PORT RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT'S THAT DOWN HERE? YES.
NO, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO TURN RIGHT, IT'S LABELED SALLY FOR
IT'S A, THE ROAD COMES, SO THE DASH LINE, PROBABLY FOYER SOMETIMES THAT'S THE, THAT'LL BE UP AT THE FIRST, THE REST, THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE LOWER AREA.
AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ELEVATORS THAT YOU'LL SEE.
SO THE JUDGES WOULD GO FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE PARKING TO THAT ELEVATOR.
THERE'S RED AND THAT'S WHERE DETAINEES WOULD BE TAKEN UP.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS HAS TWO COURTROOMS STACKED ON EACH FLOOR GOING UP ONE FLOOR FOR EACH TYPE OF COURT.
WHERE IS THE COURT? DOES IT SAY COURT? NEXT PAGE? WELL, BUT HE SAID ON EACH FLOOR, THIS IS ONE FLOOR RIGHT HERE.
THAT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A COURT DOWN HERE, DO YOU? NO.
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IS FIRST FLOOR.AND, AND AGAIN, THESE OPTIONS CAN CHANGE, BUT WE PUT CIRCUIT COURT ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE IS THE JURY ASSEMBLY, UH, THE RECORDS AREA, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A PUBLIC SPACE.
AND SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
SO HERE YOU WOULD HAVE TWO COURTROOMS ON THE RIGHT WITH SECURED HOLDING BETWEEN THEM.
UM, THE LIGHT BLUE CIRCULATION, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE IS FOR JUDGES AND STAFF.
THE YELLOW IS FOR THE PUBLIC DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DIAGRAM.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE WITH SCREENING.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE WOULD BE THE CLERK'S OFFICE IN JURY ASSEMBLY.
AND AT THE TOP WOULD BE THE JUDGE'S CHAMBERS.
I CANNOT, THE JURY ROOMS, I CANNOT READ THE DOOR.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING, THIS IS THE PUBLIC CIRCULATION.
AND THIS IS THE MEN AND WOMEN'S ROOM.
SO WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE COURTS? RIGHT HERE? NO, YOU COULD NO, UP IN HERE INTO IT SAYS MAIN PUBLIC ENTRANCE.
I'M TALKING IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOUR PEN IS IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE PRINTOUT.
IT MIGHT BE EASIER ON THE SCREEN.
VESTIBULE, IT SAYS BEST, BEST.
I THINK IT MEANS VESTIBULE, VEST, VESTIBULE.
REALIZE IF I COULD READ IT, THEN IT'D BE OKAY.
WELL, THE BEST PRACTICE IS THE PUBLIC ENTERS INTO A VESTIBULE, WHICH IS TWO SEPARATE DOORS TO KEEP THE SOUND FROM THE HALLWAY OF COMING INTO THE COURT.
AND THEN BESIDE, THOSE ARE ATTORNEY CONFERENCE ROOMS. AND LOOK, THEY HAVE NOW, RIGHT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY REALLY NEED NOW.
SO WHO'S GONNA ENTER INTO VEST? JUST PUBLIC PEOPLE COMING IN.
THE GENERAL JURY'S ASSEMBLED DOWN ON THE FAR LEFT, AND THEN THEY'RE CALLED INTO THE COURTROOM.
I GUESS THEY COME THROUGH THE PUBLIC CIRCULATION.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD THEY JUST WALK DOWN THE HALL IN THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, YOU'LL SEE JURY, IT SAYS JURY.
THOSE ARE JURY DELIBERATION ROOMS. THEY WOULD STAY IN RESTRICTED CIRCULATION AND YOU'LL SEE PUBLIC ELEVATORS, UH, AND THE LIGHTER COLOR.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME JUDGE AND DETENTION ELEVATORS COMING UP THROUGH THE CORE.
BETWEEN THE COURTROOMS. SO THE ELEVATORS FOR THE JUDGE, IS THAT GONNA BE PRETTY STANDARD SIZE OR IS THAT ONE OF THESE STANDARD SIZE? ANY QUESTIONS ON OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST FLOOR? NO.
YOU'LL SEE A VERY FAMILIAR PATTERN AS YOU GO UP.
THIS IS THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT.
AND SO AGAIN, TWO COURTROOMS WITH SECURITY AND EVERYTHING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE CLERK'S OFFICE SORT OF THERE IN THE CENTER, AND THEN THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY OVER ON THE LEFT.
SO A LOT OF OFFICE SPACES OVER ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
WE SPOKE WITH, UH, THE JUDGE EARLIER THIS WEEK.
AND REALLY, JUDGE RIZEK REALLY STRESSED THE NEED FOR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE JUVENILE AND DOMESTIC RELATIONS FROM THE OTHER COURTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PLACED THEM ABOVE.
SO THEY WOULD BE IN THE SORT OF THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S ISOLATED 'CAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS TO GET UP THERE, BUT A QUIETER PLACE IN THE BUILDING FOR SENSITIVE NATURE OF THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
COURTROOM HOLDING AREA FOR DISTRICT COURT.
WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY HOLDING IN THERE? SO THEY, THEY ARE JUST SAME AS CIRCUIT COURT.
THEY'RE HOLDING DETAINEES THAT COME OVER.
UM, SO THEY'RE KEPT IN THE BASEMENT AND THEN WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THEIR COURT PROCEEDINGS, THEY GO UP THE ELEVATOR AND THEY WOULD BE ESCORTED OFF WHATEVER FLOOR.
I THOUGHT THE DISTRICT COURT ONLY DEALT WITH, UH, MISDEMEANORS.
I I DIDN'T THINK YOU DEALT WITH, UH, CLERK HERE SOMEWHERE.
AM I GOT IT RIGHT? NO, THEY DEAL WITH FELONIES ALSO.
THOUGHT WE COULD PAUSE HEARINGS.
SO FELONIES ARE TRIED, JUDGE, I'M SORRY, JUDGE HEARINGS.
I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN DISTRICT COURT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I'M THANKFUL THE COURTS ARE HERE TO BE THE TRUE EXPERTS.
I'M, YEAH, I'M THEIR PARROT RIGHT NOW.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SECOND FLOOR? THE, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT STAIR, THAT LONG CORRIDOR? THAT SEEMS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD DO WITH IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A AWKWARD EMPTY SPACE THERE.
YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO GET DOWN ON THE PUBLIC SIDE WITH THE STAIR AND THERE'LL BE A STAIR IN THE BACK AND TWO STAIRS ON THE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A LONG DISTANCE.
SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S RESTRICTED ACCESS TO YES.
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ELEVATORS IS, ARE FAIRLY CENTRAL.SO THOSE ARE STAIRS THERE, IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? THOSE LITTLE SQUIGGLY LINES AND OVER WHERE IT SAYS THE, THAT'S MECHANICAL VENTS.
THE STAIRS ARE LITTLE WHITE BOXES ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU GET DOWN OUT OF THERE.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK, YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING? NO, IT, IT WILL BE CONNECTED TO THE INSIDE.
IT'S JUST HOW WE'RE SHOWING THEM.
SO YOU WOULD GO TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE YELLOW, UH, TO THE RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM AND YOU WOULD HAVE STAIRS THERE THAT WE GO DOWNSTAIRS HERE AND HERE.
AND THEN THE, THE COMMON IS THE ONE ABOVE THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAD, IT'S A LONG DISTANCE TO GET THERE ON THAT LONG LEAD CORRIDOR.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE CODE FROM THE STANDPOINT, BUT PLACEMENT WILL BE SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
SO AS I MENTIONED, JUVENILE AND DOMESTIC RELATIONS COURT.
SO IT'S THAT SAME TWO COURTROOM SET UP.
THEN YOU HAVE THEIR CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE LIGHTER GREEN COLOR AND THE CENTER.
AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE COURT SERVICES UNIT AND JUVENILE COURT SERVICES.
AND THEY, FOR THEIR OPERATION, IT'S IDEAL IF THEY ARE IN PROXIMITY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ADJACENT TO, BUT IF THEY ARE IN PROXIMITY TO JUVENILE DOMESTIC RELATIONS.
SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING HERE IS A, A QUIETER FLOOR THAT'S NOT NEAR THE BOTTOM.
AND, UM, TO KEEP EVERYBODY TOGETHER FOR THE, UH, EFFICIENCY OF THEIR OWN OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, JUDGE, WHERE'S YOUR DISCHARGE? YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DRUG COURT? SO WE'LL RUN THE RECOVERY COURT OUT OF ONE OF THE TWO CIRCUIT COURTROOMS. FIRST ONE, MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU'VE GOT THE TWO COURTS IN OPERATION AT THE SAME TIME THAT JUVENILE ONES IN YOUR KNEE TO PUT SOME PLACES COURTROOM HOLDING.
IT'S, IS IT DIVIDED OR IS IT IT'S DIVIDED TWO PEOPLE.
IT'S A LITTLE, UM, YEAH, WE HAVEN'T PUT ALL THE LITTLE WALLS AND LINES IN THERE, BUT YES, THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST TWO HOLDING CELLS, IF NOT THREE THAT WOULD BE THERE.
AND TO GET A SENSE OF SCALE HERE, UM, THESE HALLWAYS, LIKE BETWEEN THESE CIRCUIT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE COURT SERVICES AND THE JUVENILE DOMESTIC RELATION COURT, THEY GOT THE BLUE HALLS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF SIZE? IT'S A NORMAL PUBLIC HALLWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT NORMAL IS, BUT FIVE FEET.
THAT'S WHY IS THAT DOOR SO WIDE UP WITH TWO PEOPLE TO PASS? YEAH.
THEY SQUEEZE A BOX WHEELCHAIR AND TWO WHEELCHAIRS, 36 INCHES ACCESSIBLE.
I MEAN THIS LAYOUT HERE AND THAT MAKES IT PRETTY MUCH CUT AND PASTE FOR THREE FLOORS ON, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE PRETTY EFFICIENT IN CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON EVERY FLOOR.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME FOOTPRINT EACH FLOOR STRAIGHT UP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
SO IT SHOULD HELP WITH CONSTRUCTION AND COSTS.
WE, WE REALLY DO BELIEVE IN COURTROOMS BEING BUILT AROUND A CENTRAL CORE THAT COMES UP.
AND IF, AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, IT DOES MAKE IT EFFICIENT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, IT MAKES IT EFFICIENT FOR THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THINGS ARE.
SO THEY'LL, THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT FLOOR TO GET OFF ON AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE THE SAME.
IT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE THAT WE WANT TO ENHANCE THIS.
SO IN THIS, IN THIS DIAGRAM HERE IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU HAVE THE PARKING AND ALL THAT, SO PEOPLE ARE GOING HAVE TO, GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE STAIRS TO CLIMB THE HILL OR FROM THE PARKING LOT OVER TO THE, TO THE, THE COURTHOUSE TRYING TO GET BACK HERE.
THAT HASN'T ALL BEEN FLUSHED OUT YET, BUT I'M SURE.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THERE'S, WELL YOU GOT A, YOU GOT A ROAD YOU GOTTA CROSS.
BUT THEN THAT'S KIND OF, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S, YOU GOT A HILL TO CLIMB HERE TOO THAT THAT'S, OH, YOU OPTION TWO OR WE, I JUST WENT, I JUST WENT.
SO A AS WE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS REALLY VERY CONCEPTUAL.
SOME OF THE ITEMS YOU'RE RAISING ARE GREAT POINTS ABOUT WIDTH OF A HALLWAY AND HOW THE PARKING ALL LAYS OUT.
BUT TODAY, THIS IS JUST VERY CONCEPTUAL TO GET YOU TO THE POINT WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ALL DOABLE.
THEY'VE GOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THIS MM-HMM
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PRETTY RUDIMENTARY WHAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT WITH THEM.
SO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS ABOUT LONG HALLWAYS AND STAIRWAYS BEING
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OUTSIDE, THOSE WILL ALL BE ADDRESSED WHEN YOU COME TO A FINAL DESIGN.SO I, I WOULD SAY WHILE THEY'RE ALL VERY VALUABLE THOUGHTS, THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE WOULD SOLVE TODAY AS TO WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
WHICH ONE ARE WE NOT? ALRIGHT, SO NOW, UM, I WILL WALK YOU GUYS, UH, NOW I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH OPTION TWO.
UM, SO WE CAN SEE HERE RIGHT OFF OF ROUTE OUR US 17, WE'VE GOT A NEW COURTHOUSE, UM, THAT'LL BE CENTERED ON THE PREVIOUS ALEXANDER HAMILTON BOULEVARD.
UM, AGAIN, WE'LL BE KEEPING THE FINANCE BUILDING AND AND MOVING IT OR GROWING COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND TREASURY INTO THAT BUILDING CLOSING OFF THE ROAD.
AND MOVING THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS INTO THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE, THIS, UM, WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVEMENT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL SITE THAT THAT WILL COVER.
BUT, UM, THIS IS A TWO STORY COURTHOUSE OPTION THAT WE KNOW WILL WORK AND LAY OUT NICELY ON THE SITE.
SO WITH THIS OPTION, WE LOOKED AT THE SITE HOLISTICALLY SAYING IF WE BROKE AS MANY CONSTRAINTS AS WE COULD, HOW COULD WE MOST EFFICIENTLY AND ECONOMICALLY LAY THIS THING OUT, UM, TO SOLVE FUTURE GROWTH AS WELL? SO WE BROKE THE CONSTRAINT OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO CLOSE OFF THE, UH, EXIT FROM US 17.
WE, WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS LOOK AT THIS.
AND THIS IS A, IN, IN VDOT TERMS OF RELATIVELY SMALL, UH, VEHICLES PER DAY GOING OVER ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
AND FROM THEIR ANALYSIS OF IT, IT DOES NOT AFFECT FIRE AND E-E-E-M-S RESPONSE, POLICE RESPONSE.
UM, AND IT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT TRAFFIC AS WELL.
SO WITH THIS OPTION, WE CENTERED THE COURTHOUSE AS YOU ROUND THE CORNER FROM BALLARD STREET.
AND THEN YOU TURN IN THE GOVERNMENT COMPLEX, YOU HAVE THE COURTHOUSE SITTING RIGHT AS YOU AS THE FRONT DOOR OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THEN YOU WOULD ENTER AND GO INTO THE ROUNDABOUT, TAKE A RIGHT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC PARKING THAT WOULD SERVE THE COURTHOUSE.
TAKE A LEFT TO GO TO THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT THAT SERVES, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING.
IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO GET FIRE ACCESS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN SEE THE SMALL GRAY BAR GOING AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE, WE ALSO ENVISION THIS BEING A TWO STORY OPTION OVER A BASEMENT.
SO THAT BASEMENT LEVEL, AS THE GRADE FALLS OFF, UH, THAT MR. SHEPHERD POINTED OUT, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF GRADE BACK HERE.
UH, WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT GRADE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE THIRD STORY.
SO IT'D HAVE LESS VISUAL IMPACT IN, IN NEW YORKTOWN DISTRICT.
UM, WHAT'S THE YELLOW? IS THAT THE COURTYARD? SO YELLOW, WE ARE JUST HOLDING AS IT COULD BE HARDSCAPE, IT COULD BE JUST DRESSED UP, UH, TO TRY TO GET PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENTS AND CREATE AN ACCESS BETWEEN THE COURTHOUSE, THE FINANCE BUILDING AND, AND THEN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
JUST TRY TO, THE SYN BRING SYNERGY BETWEEN THEM FOR PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT.
I GUESS I WANNA SAY IS WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF NUMBER TWO OVER NUMBER ONE? SO NUMBER TWO, WE THINK, IN OUR OPINION, IT SEGREGATES THE PARKING BETTER.
IT BREAKS IT UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE AS FAR TO WALK FROM PUBLIC PARKING TO THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, YOU ALSO ALLOW FOR, IN OUR OPINION, MORE EFFICIENT AND EMPLOYEE PARKING SO THAT YOU CAN GET EMPLOYEES STAFF TO THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND TO THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING.
AND THEN IT ALSO PROVIDES PUBLIC PARKING TO BOTH THE FINANCE AND THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
SO IN OUR OPINION, IT, WE FEEL LIKE IT BREAKS THE SITE UP REASONABLY.
UM, SO THAT YOU AREN'T, THAT'S ALSO MASSIVE, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS OPTION? WELL, LET'S GO THROUGH THE SCHEMATIC.
IT SHOWS WHERE THE COURTS ARE, ET CETERA.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE SAME DISCUSSION ON YEAH.
ALL FACILITIES ARE AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE? YES SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING FROM THE TWO COURTROOM PER FLOOR OPTION TO A FOUR.
AND SO AGAIN, THEY'RE STILL CENTRALIZED, BUT THEY'RE BESIDE EACH OTHER.
SO WE START WITH THE BASEMENT, THE EXACT SAME FUNCTIONS ARE IN THIS BASEMENT.
SO THE SALLY PORT IS AT THE TOP.
AND JUDGE'S PARKING IS BESIDE THAT.
THEY BOTH GO TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ELEVATORS.
YOU HAVE THE HOLDING CELLS AND MECHANICAL AREAS ALL DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.
SO THE EXACT SAME FUNCTIONS THAT YOU SAW BEFORE, WHAT IS MEANT BY THE, UM, UN UN EVACUATED AREA? EXCAVATED.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AN EXCAVATED, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ.
IT'S JUST THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FLOOR
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ABOVE IS LARGER THAN THE BASEMENT.SO IF I SWITCH TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THAT FILLS IN AND YOU HAVE A LARGER, THE BASEMENT'S JUST A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE COULD TAKE ONE, TAKE THE FIRST FLOOR, PUT ONE AND TWO NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
OH, TO PUT 'EM SIDE BY SIDE SIDE.
SO ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, THE PUBLIC COMES IN AT THE BOTTOM, SAME AS IN THE OTHER DIAGRAM.
CIRCUIT COURT IS NOW TO THE RIGHT COURTROOMS, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THE JURY ASSEMBLY.
STILL THOSE VERY PUBLIC FUNCTIONS ARE ON THE RIGHT.
BUT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT.
SO NOW WE HAVE TWO ELEVATORS COMING UP FOR PRISONERS.
TWO ELEVATORS FOR, UH, JUDGES AND STAFF THAT COULD COME UP ON THAT BACKSIDE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THE PAIRS OF COURTROOM.
AND THEN THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT.
IS THE LIGHT PURPLE ALL THE WAY OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE? COURT LOOKS, THE SPACE LOOKS BIGGER.
IT'S A PERCEPTION BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT OPTION TWO IS ELONGATED AND IT, AND IT MAY BE JUST TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A JPEG FILE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE ON THE POWERPOINT.
BUT DIMENSION WISE, UM, BOTH OF THEM, THE EXTERIOR WALLS MEASUREMENTS ARE ALL THE SAME.
THEY'RE THE SAME OF THE COURT ROOMS BUT NOT OFF THE BUILDING.
WHAT'S A DEBT IS THAT'S WHAT WHAT DETENTION? DETAINEE DETAINEE ELEVATOR.
SO THEY WOULD COME FROM THE BASEMENT HOLDING CELL? YES.
THAT BUILDING INTO, INTO THE COURT HOLDING ROOM.
RIGHT THROUGH THE HOLDING ROOM.
AND THEN THEY COULD GO INTO COURT.
INTO THE SALLY PORT, DOWN THAT LITTLE RED HALLWAY AND INTO THE SHERIFF'S DETAINEE AREA.
THIS IS THE CENTER SALLY PORT WHERE SALLY PORT'S IN THE TOP SORT OF CENTER BE RIGHT HERE.
INTO AND INTO THE DETAINEE AREA WHERE THERE WILL BE ON BOTH VERSIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATION, MALE, FEMALE, AND JUVENILE.
SO BOTH OPTIONS WILL HAVE, HAVE THAT.
WHERE'S THE, LIKE DON'T YOU HAVE A OBSERVATION OR CONTROL, I MEAN MAYBE ALREADY HAD TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT THERE'S AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE IN HERE THAT'S GONNA HAVE A ALL THE MONITORING EQUIPMENT.
THAT'LL BE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OFFICER'S.
IT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THAT RED OKAY.
UPPER RIGHT CONTROL ROOM WHERE THEY CAN OPEN AND CLOSE THE HOLDING CELL DOORS OR MONITOR CAMERAS AND ALL OF THAT.
THE CIRCUIT COURT CLERK'S OFFICE ON THE OPTION TWO IS LESS THAN THE CIRCUIT COURT.
UM, AND OPTION ONE, THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE, THEY'RE JUST A DIFFERENT LOOK AT I KNOW.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THE PERCEPTION.
'CAUSE WE'RE SHRINKING, UH, THE FOUR COURTROOM PER FLOOR, UH, IMAGE DOWN TO GET IT TO FIT ON THE, ON THE SLIDE.
BUT SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE SHAPED A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE.
SO E EACH ROOM, COURTS, CLERK OFFICES, ET CETERA AND SO FORTH, ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE.
SO WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE? LET'S GET THE, LET'S GET THE SECOND FLOOR.
SECOND FLOOR, AND YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES.
UM, SO ON SECOND FLOOR, AGAIN TRYING TO KEEP JUVENILE AND DOMESTIC RELATIONS SEPARATE ON THAT FLOOR, THEIR CLERK'S OFFICE TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COURT SERVICES UNIT AND JUVENILE COURT SERVICES AND THE YELLOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
AGAIN, THEY WANT TO BE IN PROXIMITY.
AND THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
NOW, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, WHEN SPACE BECOMES TIGHT AND YOU NEED ADDITIONAL COURTROOMS AND THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GROW, THEY COULD BE MOVED OUT.
THOSE TWO OFFICE SPACE COMPONENTS COULD BE MOVED OUT.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BRING THE JUDGE'S ELEVATOR AND THE DETAINEE ELEVATOR UP ON THAT LEFT SIDE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP FLOOR.
AND THEN YOU COULD CONSTRUCT TWO ADDITIONAL COURTROOMS ON THAT FLOOR TO GIVE THE BUILDING A LITTLE MORE FUTURE PROOF.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES.
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UM, YOU COULD DO THAT IN THE OTHER ONE, BUT IT'S SORT OF AWKWARD.ONE COURTROOM STACKED ON TOP OF ANOTHER WITH HOLDING.
AND SO FOR EXPANSION, EXPANSION, THIS OPTION SECOND, THE SECOND OPTION IS BETTER.
WHAT WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
WHICH OFFICES ARE YOU SAYING COULD BE RELOCATED? THE, I I HATE TO SAY IT 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY REALLY WANT TO BE IN THE COURTHOUSE, BUT WHEN PUSH COMES TOHO, THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COULD BE RELOCATED.
THEY'RE NOT IN EVERY COURTHOUSE IN VIRGINIA BY FAR.
AND THE COURT SERVICES UNIT AND JUVENILE COURT SERVICES COULD BE LOCATED, RELOCATED FROM THE COURTHOUSE.
BUT WE HOPE THAT THAT DECISION IS EVER MADE.
IT IS WAY OUT INTO THE FUTURE.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE THAT YOU, THE PAST 20 YEARS, 20 ALREADY HAD SIX CARD ROOMS AND TODAY WE MANAGE WITH THREE, RIGHT? UH, FOUR.
SO ADDING TO ADDITIONAL IN THIS, SO TH THIS COURTHOUSE WILL CERTAINLY GET YOU THROUGH THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, RIGHT? THAT WAS, YEAH, THIS WAS A QUESTION I HAD THAT THIS, THESE PLANS.
WHAT THE, WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN? YOU'RE SAYING AT LEAST 20 YEARS AS WE SIT HERE BEFORE WE'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE, UM, SPACE CONSTRAINTS.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROJECTED COST DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO? NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS COST TODAY.
I JUST WANNA KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS.
WELL, LET'S OR MINUS DISCUSS THE OPTIONS.
HOW'S THAT? WE, WE'LL SAY WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM INTERNALLY AND THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR APART.
THAT'S REMIND ME WHEN COMPLICATION, WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS OUR ORIGINAL THIS COURTHOUSE? TODAY'S COURTHOUSE.
WHEN WAS THAT BUILT? NINE SEVEN.
SHEILA'S GOT HER NAME ON THE BUILDING.
SO KIND OF GOING TO WHAT SHEILA WAS TALKING ABOUT IN, IN LOOKING PROPORTIONALLY, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, THE WAY THIS, THE FIRST ONE OPTION DEPICTS LIKE THE CIRCUIT COURT AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THEY GOT 'EM ALL TOGETHER AT IT'S HALF THE, HALF THE PATTERN.
AND I LOOK OVER HERE ON THE OPTION TWO AND YOU GOT FOUR COURTS IN THERE.
FOUR COURTROOMS IN THERE, PLUS THE, THE CIRCUIT CIRCUIT COURT.
UM, PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL HOLDING ROOM.
I NO AN ADDITIONAL HOLDING ROOM.
SO EITHER THIS, THIS IS REALLY JAMMING THIS OPTION TWO IS REALLY JAMMING 'EM IN THERE.
THIS IS THE SPACE THAT YOU WOULD USE THE FIRST FLOOR.
OPTION TWO SHOWS A BIGGER BUILDING.
WHAT HE SAID IT WAS, YOU SAID THE FOOTPRINT WAS THE SAME.
YOU SAID YOU TOLD ME IT WAS THE SAME.
IT'S NOT THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDING BLOCKS ARE THE SAME.
SO THE ACROSS BOTH OPTIONS, ALL YOUR COURTHOUSE OR COURTROOMS ARE THE SAME SIZE.
ALL YOUR CLERK'S OFFICES ARE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGES.
WELL YEAH, BUT THE WAY, THE WAY IT WAS BEING EXPLAINED, I WAS TAKING THE SAME WAY SHIELD WAS THAT'S THE SAME SIZE.
SMALLER FOUR STORIES WITH A LARGER THREE STORY WITH THE THOUGHT OPTION TWO BEING A TWO STORY, SORT OF A THREE STORY BUILDING TO MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT.
I I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT THEM EACH FLOOR ON THE SAME PAGE AND SIZE, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY TO ONE ANOTHER SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE.
WELL I KNOW THEY'RE NOW CLEARED THIS UP.
I KNOW THE FOOTPRINT'S BIGGER.
CHIEF, HAVE HAVE YOU SEEN THESE, THESE CONCEPTS BEFORE? NOT FOR TODAY SIR.
YOUR THOUGHTS ON GETTING YOUR BIG EQUIPMENT IN THERE SHOULD NEEDED.
WE CAN GET TO MANY SIZE OF THE BUILDING IF POSSIBLE.
I DON'T IF WE'RE, BECAUSE IF I LOOK AT GO, GO BACK TO OPTION TWO.
SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THE SAME LIKE THE THE THE PROPOSED NEW ADMIN BUILDING, YOU GOT A FIRE UP BOTTOM RIGHT SOUTHEAST CORNER AND CAN YOU GIVE ONE OF YOUR BIG TRUNK BACK KEILA? SO THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO HEAR WHAT HE SAID, BUT IF IT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SEEING IT, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET.
SO NO, BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT AS FAR AS GRASS CREEK, OTHER MULTIPLE CURB, MULTIPLE CURBS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO WE CAN HAVE A HARDENED SURFACE TO DRIVE AROUND THE BUILDING GIVEN THE GRASS ON TOP OF IT.
WE HAD TO GAIN ACCESS TO THIS.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE BE DETERMINED WHEN WE DO THE SITE PLAN REVIEWS AND THE ACTUAL PLAN REVIEW WITH THE CODES OFFICE.
JUST YEAH, WE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S FIRE ACCESS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FIRETRUCK CAN GET ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS WAY? WELL THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT YES, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE A PLAN IN THE APARTMENT FOR.
PROMINENT WILL ANY OTHER OPTION ONE LOOKS A WHOLE LOT CLEANER TO ME IN TERMS OF DESIGN, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE JUDGE THAT'S, WELL YEAH, WHAT DOES JUDGE RICHARD THINK WE SHOULDN'T, UH, LEAN TOWARDS? SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE EXPERTS.
I JUST WANT SPACE
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TALKING ABOUT NOT OF SQUARE FOOT, LIKE OPTION TWO.IT, IT'S WHATEVER MAKES MOST SENSE FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS TO CONSIDER.
ONE OF THE THING THAT I WAS AT IS THE FACT THAT YOU EXPAND OPTION TWO.
IT'S EASIER TO EXPAND AND EXPAND THEN OPTION ONE, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, BUT A THREE STORY BUILDING ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT IS GONNA BE A CHEAPER BUILD THAN A MUCH LARGER TWO STORY BUILDING.
BUT HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH? WELL YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LONGEVITY AND GOOSE LEE ROAD WILL BE YOUR FIRST ACCESS POINT IF YOU CLOSE IT.
IF YOU BUILD THIS COURTHOUSE OVER ALEXANDER HAMILTON, CORRECT.
GOOSE LEE ROAD WILL BE YOUR LAST OPPORTUNITY TO TURN, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST HEARTBURN WITH OPTION TWO IS CLOSING THAT, THAT ROAD.
BUT I THOUGHT THERE'S GONNA BE COOL AND BUILT RIGHT OVER THE ROAD AND YOU JUST DRIVE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
WE'LL HAVE VALET PARKING ON ROAD 17.
UM, WE'LL HAVE VALET PARKING ON ROAD 17.
AND I'LL TURN THIS BACK OVER TO, YEAH, SO HERE JUST A QUICK COMPARISON OF THE TWO OPTIONS WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, OPTION ONE, LOOKING AT THAT THREE STORY OPTION, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE, PARKING, UH, FOR PARKING AND CIRCULATION, YOUR PARKING IS GONNA BE MORE SEPARATED WHERE YOU HAVE THAT ONE PUBLIC PARKING LOT ACROSS ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
IT'LL BE LESS CONVENIENT TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE HISTORIC AREA IMPACT, IT'LL BUILD AROUND A COURTHOUSE GREEN WITH THE NEW BUILDING.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT COURTHOUSE GREEN THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
UM, AND IT'LL BE A MUCH LESS COMPLEX SOLUTION AND QUICKER TO IMPLEMENT.
UM, OPTION TWO WITH THE TWO STORY BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE, UM, THE PARKING IS DISTRIBUTED BETTER AMONGST THE SITE.
SO STAFF AND THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A MUCH EASIER TIME GETTING TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GET TO.
UM, THE NEW COURTHOUSE WILL BE LESS VISUALLY NOTICEABLE FROM THE HISTORIC AREA.
SO LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE, HIS RESOURCES OF YORKTOWN.
AND THEN COMPLEXITY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WITH CLOSING ALEXANDER HAMILTON BOULEVARD, IT'LL BE MORE COMPLEX.
UM, AND IT'LL REQUIRE MORE RECONSTRUCTION OF PARKING AND USING LESS OF WHAT'S EXISTING.
SO I THINK THIS HAS KIND OF MET OUR NEEDS IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE BUILD IT ALL IN ONE SITE? HOW CAN WE, UH, ELIMINATE AT LEAST ONE OF THE MAJOR BUILDINGS TO BUILD? AND THEN I KEEP LOOKING AT CLOSING ALEXANDER S I'M NOT SURE THAT'S, THAT'S A NON STARKER FOR ME, BUT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS FOR, THAT'S NOT I WANNA DO.
WELL MY BIG ISSUE IS WHAT I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA BE HAPPY UNTIL I SEE THE PRICE.
AND THEN WHEN THE PRICE COMES OUT, THEN, THEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER I'M, I'LL BE HAPPY.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE MEETING ALL THE JUDGES' REQUIREMENTS OKAY, BOTH OPTIONS, I'M GOOD.
WELL I THINK WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU COME IN WITH A 10 MILLION, $20 MILLION DIFFERENCE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, TO ME IS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACT.
I'M NOT DRAWING ANY ASSUMPTIONS ON THE STUFF BECAUSE I MEAN, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND END UP COSTING US COSTING A TON OF MONEY.
WHAT ABOUT EIGHT? IS IT ABOUT 80 MILLION FOR THIS BUILDING? 90 MILLION? WE'RE WE'RE UNDER 10.
WE'RE GONNA NOT NO, BUT GENERAL, THE GENERAL IDEA TALKING ABOUT NO, WE'VE LAID THAT OUT ALREADY.
I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY MADE COMMENTS ABOUT 160 MILLION FOR TWO BUILDINGS.
SO, SO THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT PRICES, BUT THEY'RE NOT CLOSE, THEY'RE NOT THE NO, THEY'RE NOT THOSE SOLUTIONS.
SO OKAY, THEN I'LL STAY OFF OF IT.
UM, THEY BOTH SERVE THE PURPOSE.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO YOU WANNA LOOK AT? DO YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'S MASSIVE OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT FITS MORE INTO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOUR TOWN IS? THOSE OF YORKTOWN, I'M THINKING IN THE FUTURE YOU WANNA EXPAND, HAVE SOME ROOM TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND.
NOT, UH, IF YOU WANT, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ON THIS.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO, LIKE TOM, TOM WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE BOTTOM PRICE, SHOW ME THE MONEY, THE PRICES FOR BOTH OF THEM.
THEN GO THROUGH A DOOR, ADD IT AND PUT THE CHEAPEST ONE.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK LESS EXPENSIVE.
MOST COST EFFICIEN, LESS EXPENSIVE ONE.
BUT, BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN HERE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER.
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WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, MARK, UM, TO GET YOUR CENSUS TO GO FORWARD WITH DESIGN WORK? I THINK YOU HAVE THAT.AND THE ONLY UP QUESTION IN FRONT OF US IS SHOULD WE GO FORWARD WITH BOTH OPTIONS OR SHOULD WE LIMIT IT AT THIS POINT TO ONE? WELL IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU PICKED ONE.
WE CAN'T PICK ONE RIGHT NOW TO WE UNDERSTAND COST.
SO WE GOTTA GET FAR ENOUGH DOWN THE ROAD.
WE UNDERSTAND COST AND THE DELTA AND THEN WE CAN PICK ONE AND SAY RUN WITH THAT.
WELL CAN'T YOU, I CAN TELL YOU GENERAL THAT THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE CHEAPER LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE PARKING LOT ARRANGEMENT.
'CAUSE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF RECONFIGURATION AND ASPHALT SITE WORK TO DO LIKE THAT.
HOW MUCH CHEAPER AND IT CAN SCALE
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS ARE REALLY JUST ABOUT THE SAME OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THE, THE SITE LOCATIONS IN THESE TWO OPTIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
UM, SO IN APPROACHING A BUDGET RIGHT NOW, THE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT SOME CONTINGENCIES IN FOR THINGS WE DON'T KNOW AND WE DON'T HAVE INTEREST FOR ENGINEERING, UH, OF PARKING, STORM WATER, UH, EXCUSE SOILS.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW THOSE THINGS.
AND THE RATIONALE FOR MOVING AHEAD WITH DESIGN IS TO KNOW MORE MM-HMM
AND THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR SPECIAL SORT OF KEY IN GETTING THE MOST COST EFFECTIVENESS OUT OF THIS.
AND SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD INTO THE DESIGN PHASE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO REDUCE A LOT OF THESE UNCERTAINTIES.
AND I THINK IF WE PUT A NUMBER OUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S GOT A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS IN IT WHICH HAVE CONTINGENCIES AND IT'S GONNA BE TO YOUR BENEFIT TO MOVE INTO THE DESIGN PHASE, UNDERSTAND THE SITE BETTER, AND THEN START ELIMINATING SOME UNCERTAINTIES SO YOU REALLY GET DOWN TO WHAT THE COST IS GONNA BE.
BECAUSE I THINK TRUTHFULLY, OR IF BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN YOU HAVE A DESIGN, YOU'VE GOT SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BEND THE COST CURVE THE WAY YOU WANT AND, AND DOUG, YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT THAT ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL OPTION ONE WOULD BE PROBABLY BE A CHEAPER COST, BUT THE LANDSCAPE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF BACKFILLING AND REINFORCEMENT ON OPTION ONE.
'CAUSE YOU GOT THAT DROP OFF SOFT GRINDING SO FORTH THAT COULD JACK THE PRICE UP OF THAT COMPARED AGAINST THE OPTION TWO.
WE WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL THEY REALLY GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS ON WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO STAND UP BEING ONE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS.
SO, I MEAN, BUT THERE IS SOME, SOME THOUGHT THOUGH.
UH, I MEAN YOU CAN GO DOWN, YOU CAN GO SO FAR AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE JUST KEEP COMING BACK TO US.
SO YOU, YOU REACH A POINT WHERE YOU JUST PITCH IT OUT.
I MEAN, I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT GONNA GO FOR A $200 MILLION OPERATION PERIOD.
I MEAN I'M JUST, I DON'T THINK ANY BOARD MEMBER HERE IS GONNA SO THE POINT, SO WE GOT A LIMIT TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
IT'S STILL, IT IS STILL A LOT LOWER THAN THAT TOO.
UH, BUT UH, I ALREADY SAID 58, SO
BUT IF YOU LOOKED, IF YOU LOOKED AT OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO AND YOU LOOK WHERE OPTION ONE IS PLACED COMPARED TO OPTION TWO, I MEAN YOU'RE PUTTING IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE IN THE VILLAGE.
AS OPPOSED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LOOK OF THIS VILLAGE.
SO, I MEAN THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE GOTTA, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY WE WILL, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION.
SO WE DON'T, WE GET MOVING ON THIS.
SO WOULD WE TELL YOU TO GO FORWARD YOUR GUIDANCE? I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO KIND OF PARAMETER, YOU KNOW, PUT PARAMETERS AROUND YOUR GUIDANCE HERE.
SO TOM, IN, IN THE, IN THE LONG RUN, YOU MAY END UP NOT MAKING COST YOUR, YOUR VALUE STATEMENT, BUT IT MIGHT BE SO A CONSIDERATION MILLION WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE END OF IT, 200 MILLION NAME, THAT'S NOT A NON-STARTER.
HOW, HOW ABOUT FOR NEXT STEP IS THE ARTIST RENDITION AND THE VISUALIZATION OF BOTH CONCEPTUAL.
SO YOU, YOU LOOKING AT IT FROM THE FRONT AND THE BACK FROM ALEXANDER HAMILTON, THE OTHER ROW, AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN, IN, IN REAL LIFE.
AND THAT MAY HELP DRIVE SOME DECISION.
WELL, I'D LIKE YOU TO COME BACK PROBABLY IN THE SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.
COULD YOU COME BACK WITH A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OR WHAT WOULD THAT GIVE YOU? A 10% MAYBE
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ENGINEERING DESIGN OR 20 15%, YOU KNOW, NOT A WE NEED TO KNOW THE COST.OR A BALLPARK OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.
WHATEV WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET TO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
OR, OR AT LEAST THE DELTA TWO.
AND YOU CAN DO DO IT DOING ONE.
SOMEBODY BRINGS ME TWO PROJECTS AND WANTS ME TO PRICE 'EM UP AND THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND THEY ONLY WANNA PAY FOR ONE.
YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS RANGE.
SO YOU UNDER BUT DON'T, WE'RE GIVING YOU PARAMETERS TO WORK WITH, RIGHT? YOU ARE GOING, THEY'RE OKAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PUTTING YOU IN A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A RENDITION.
I THINK WE NEED A COST IS WHAT WE NEED FIRST.
THE RENDITION THAT CAN COME LATER.
YOU SAY RENDITION OF WHAT? THE OUTSIDE WHAT WHAT I WAS ASKING.
I DON'T JUST, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT.
I WOULD THINK THAT, YEAH, I'M THINKING OF LIKE WHEN WE DO THE SCHOOLS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT THE, WHAT THE BUILDING LOOK LIKE, WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING, WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING WHERE AND AND, UH, THE COST OF DOING THE THINGS.
WELL JUST REMEMBER BIG PART OF OUR DECISION PROCESS FOR THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
WERE PICTURE A, PICTURE P, PICTURE C IT HELPED US DECIDE WHERE, WHERE TO GO AND REST OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE DON'T, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, ONE BUILDING, BUT WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS NOW AND IT'S DOUBLE THE COST YEAH.
HAVE WE GIVEN YOU MY TWO ORDERS YET? I, I HAVE IT.
YOU HAVE IT? OKAY JEFF, THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE THE WHOLE THANK YOU.
SO WE'RE GONNA CUT THROUGH 200 MILLION OUT OF THE CIP.
IT'LL BE RIGHT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
YOU FIND IT, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO FINISH UP WITH TONIGHT AS FAR AS PRESENTATIONS GO WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE CIP AGAIN, I WANNA RUN YOU THROUGH WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CIP DURING THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND THEN WE HAVE TAKEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS, YOUR REQUESTS AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE CIP.
SO WE WANTED TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU.
UH, IF YOU SEEM TO BE IN A, IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, I I THINK WE CAN WRAP THIS ASPECT OF THE BUDGET UP.
SO IF YOU WOULD, THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, CIP WITH EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY BACK IN NOVEMBER.
THAT WAS FOLLOWED BY A PRELIMINARY, UH, PRESENTATION FROM MR. STEGEL AND HIS TEAM THAT JUST WALKED OUT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I GAVE YOU THE CIP THE INITIAL PRESENTATION, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CIP.
SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'D SEEN IT TWICE ON JANUARY 30TH, YOUR BOARD RETREAT.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT CIP THERE AS WELL.
UH, AND AGAIN, WITH THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET, I ALSO GAVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CIP AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THEN YOU'VE ALSO HAD A, UH, ANOTHER BUDGET ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE FINANCE STAFF, UH, BACK IN MARCH.
SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO VIEW THE CIP.
SUSAN IS GOING TO GO OVER THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED FROM YOU ALL AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS MEETS YOUR REQUEST.
SO BUILDING ON P MA'S PRESENTATION, WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROJECT THAT WE HAD IN THE, UH, PRELIMINARY CIP FOR THE SPACE STUDY IMPLEMENTATION.
WE'VE RENAMED IT YORKTOWN CAMPUS IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN THAT IT WILL AFFECT MORE THAN ONE BUILDING.
WE ORIGINALLY HAD, UH, $12 MILLION IN HERE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACCELERATED SOME OF THAT FUNDING TO 27.
SO WE NOW SHOW 10 MILLION IN 27 AND THAT'S REALLY TO PUT THE FUNDS, UM, IN NEXT YEAR TO START THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, THEN WE MOVED CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS OUT TO 29
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AND ADDED 20 MILLION TO IT.NOW YOU MAY SAY WHY 20 MILLION? WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA ABLE TO BUILD THIS BUILDING FOR 20 MILLION, BUT IT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE WITHIN OUR CURRENT DEBT, UM, FINANCING POLICIES RATIOS.
SO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE PUT WHAT WE COULD IN THERE FOR NOW AND WE KNOW THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA GET FINER ESTIMATES ON WHAT THAT COST IS GONNA BE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA INCORPORATE THAT WHEN WE DO OUR 15 YEAR CIP.
SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.
SO WE, WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER THERE REALLY JUST, UM, WITHIN OUR DEBT.
REMIND US REAL QUICK, THIS, WE, WE HAVE A SIX YEAR WE DO.
AND NOW WE'RE GONNA GO A 15 YEAR YES.
IS THAT, BUT WE STILL GONNA HAVE A SIX YEAR NO, IT'LL BE REPLACED WITH A 15 YEAR.
IS THAT, IS THAT 8 MILLION ALSO DEBT FINANCED? YES.
AND WILL ANY OF THIS DRIVE OUR, HAVE A POLICY CHANGE? UM, WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT ALL TOGETHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE TALKED TO OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS ABOUT AFTER OUR JANUARY RETREAT WAS THE TIMING OF WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE ANY POTENTIAL POLICY CHAINS THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE CONSIDER THAT AS IT GETS CLOSER TO KNOWING WHAT THESE COSTS ARE AND WHAT IS THE YEAR THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BORROW, THE DOLLARS THE RATING AGENCIES LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, CHANGES IN, IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHEN YOU NEED THE DEBT.
SO WE DON'T WANNA DO IT TOO SOON, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE LEVERS WE MIGHT NEED TO PULL, WHETHER THAT BE REVENUE OPTIONS, WHETHER THAT BE, UM, POLICY OPTIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN CONJUNCTION WITH A FINANCING PLAN, ONCE WE KNOW WHAT NUMBERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE'LL, AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE SINGLE YEAR ASSESSMENT PROCESS, ALL OF THAT, ALL THAT FITS TOGETHER.
WE'LL ALL WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION DURING THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.
WHAT I'M ALL THAT PLAYS TOGETHER WHEN WE GO TO 12% DEBT LOAD, ET CETERA.
AND, AND SO, MR. SHEPHERD, FOR MORE DETAIL, I DO HAVE A, A, A MEMO FOR YOU SO THAT YOU COULD READ ABOUT HOW THIS WILL ALL PLAY OUT TOGETHER.
THE, THE SINGLE YEAR ASSESSMENT, THE DEBT LOAD CHANGE, ET CETERA.
MY CONCERN, AND THEN, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT HERE, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT ALL THE PIECES HAVE TO, TO FIT OKAY.
BUT BASED ON A TAX RATE THAT IS STEADY STATE TAX RATE, SAID, WELL, THAT, YES, BUT YOU BETTER BE, YOU BETTER BRACE YOURSELF WHEN YOU SEE THE NUMBER.
BECAUSE IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THE BOARD DOESN'T AGREE TO THAT, THEN YOUR PIECES FALL APART OR YOU HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
SO, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY, I, I CAN JUST TELL YOU I WAS STUNNED WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.
SO JUST BRACE YOURSELF NEXT YEAR OF ALL YEARS.
THE OTHER CHANGE THAT WE'VE, UH, MADE IN THE CIP IS FOR FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS.
SO WE HAVE ACCELERATED, UH, THE STUDY THAT WE HAD IN THERE FROM, UM, FY 30 TO FY 28.
AND SO THAT STUDY'S KIND OF GONNA REALLY LOOK AT ALL OF OUR STATIONS LOCATIONS,
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE TAKEN ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE WE START DOING THE DESIGN.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME PRESSURE AT STATION TWO AND THREE, UM, BUT WE WANNA HAVE THAT OVERARCHING LOOK OF ALL THE STATIONS BEFORE WE START THAT WORK YEAH.
SO THIS WILL HELP US GET THAT PLAN IN PLACE.
AND THEN WE ACCELERATED THE, UM, INITIAL DESIGN MONEY FOR STATION TWO.
I MEAN, THE THOUGHT WAS I COULD DO TWO AND THREE POTENTIALLY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SAME DESIGN.
BUT AGAIN, DEPENDING WHAT COMES OUTTA THE STUDY, WE'VE NOW MOVED THAT TO FY 30, UM, JUST BASED ON THE CRITICAL NATURE OF THE NEEDS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
YOU MOVED, I'M SORRY, YOU MOVED WHAT? TO, UH, FY 30? UM, THE DESIGN MONEY FOR STATION TWO.
WELL, IT COULD COVER STATION TWO AND THREE.
I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT NOW THE SAME, UH, BUILDING.
UM, SO THE THOUGHT WAS WE COULD SAME WHAT I MEAN THE SAME DESIGN.
SO ANY ENGINEERING YOU DO FOR ONE COOKIE WORKS FOR BOTH.
I MEAN, DO I SAVE YOURSELF SOME MONEY? SHOULD DO IT THAT WAY.
RIGHT? WHICH ONE SHOULD DONE? I'M ALL THE SAME TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET TO FIREFIGHTING AND, AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIES.
THAT'S WHAT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN SAYS.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF GOING ABOUT, WE GO BACK TO THIS PUZZLE WE WANT, WE ARE GONNA PUT TOGETHER.
AND SO WE'RE MOVING THIS THING OUT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE YEARS.
WELL, WE'VE ACTUALLY ACCELERATED THE PLAN BEFORE MOVED IT FORWARD.
I THOUGHT, SEE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PICK, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH IT.
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SOLVED.JUST A COUPLE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS.
WE'VE, OF COURSE, TWO, WE'VE SHIFTED THE NORTH COUNTY LIBRARY DESIGN TO 28.
WE KNOW THAT OUR CURRENT, UH, CONTRACT WITH WRL COVERS US ALL THE WAY THROUGH 27.
YOU KNOW, WHILE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO EX, WE MAY HAVE TO EXTEND IT TO FINISH OUR DESIGN.
UM, BUT WE THINK THE TIMING OF PUTTING IT IN 28 MAKES MORE SENSE WITH THE CURRENT PLAN.
UH, THE OTHER MA CHANGE THAT WE, UM, MADE IS MOVING THE LIGHTFOOT SMALL AREA PLAN, ACCELERATING THAT FROM 28 TO 27.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THAT, IN THAT PROPERTY, UM, THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT, UM, DEVELOPABLE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT ACCELERATED.
AND WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING OUT OF COMING OUTTA THE WOODWORK TO, UH, APPROACH US.
SO, SO REMIND ME WHAT THE SMALL AREA PLAN IS AGAIN.
YEAH, THIS IS THE LIGHTFOOT, UH, POTTERY PROPERTY.
WHAT'S A PLAN? IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A SMALL AREA.
SO IN, IN, IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD BE, UH, IN MR. ROY'S DISTRICT THERE IN THE LIGHTFOOT AREA RIGHT THERE AROUND FON MILL, WHERE THAT NEW DIVISION SUBDIVISION'S GOING IN THERE UP 1 99 AND THE OLD POTTERY PROPERTY ACROSS THE RIGHT PROPERTY, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT GENERAL VICINITY ROAD.
SO, SO WHAT IS THE PLAN? WHAT DOES THE PLAN CONSIST OF? DEVELOP? WHAT DOES THE PLAN CONSIST OF? BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
IT'S, UH, IT, IT TAKES THAT FOCUS AREA AND WE LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL USE AND SO FORTH.
AND WE, BUT IT'S CONCENTRATED IN THAT SMALL AREA AND IT'S VERY FOCUSED, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO AFTER YOU SPEND $400,000, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR HANDS? YOU'LL HAVE A PLAN THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IN THAT AREA.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WOULD DO MORE A VERY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THAT.
YOU CAN DO $400,000 AND NOW WE'RE GONNA GET US SOME PLANS.
COST, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S ABOUT THE PRICE FOR CONSULTANTS TO DO THOSE THINGS.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? SURVEYING AND STUFF, OR WHAT? YES.
IT'D BE AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IN THAT.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO THIS CONCEPT OF THIS PLAN.
SO LAST TIME I REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING THAT STILL I, THAT MY OLD BRAIN STILL REMEMBERS, BUT IT SHOWS SOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT UP THERE IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THERE WAS SOME PLAN TO PUT IT, UH, TRY TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, OR GET THE STATE TO FUND SOME SIX SOME, UH, WHAT IS AN EXIT IN OFF OF 64 AND ALL THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE NOW.
WELL, DOUG AT THAT POINT HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE ROADS.
IS IS THE SAME PROPERTY THAT HAD THE FACTORY UP THE YES.
IT'S THE WAREHOUSE IS THE, THE WAREHOUSE.
POTTERY PROPERTY WAS, IT'S THE G PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT TO THE WAWA.
UM, IT'S WHAT HAPPENS ON THE INTERCHANGE AT 1 99.
AND WE KNEW IT WHEN WE SIGNED OFF ON THE COMP PLAN AND BASICALLY LEFT IT UNTOUCHED.
WE SAID, WE NEED TO COME BACK AND DO A FOCUS STUDY.
WELL, HERE WE ARE, AND NOW WE'VE GOT DEVELOPERS COMING OUT OUT OF OUR EARS, UH, WANTING TO GET MOVING ON THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT DO WE WANT IN THAT AREA? LET ME ASK A QUESTION HERE.
IS THIS OUR PROPERTY? OR IS THIS PRIVATELY OWNED? IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, RIGHT? IT'S OWNED BY THE POTTERY.
BUT WHAT WOULD YOU ACCEPT IN THAT AREA? WELL, I, WELL, FACTORY, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? NO, WHAT I, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS IT ZONED NOW? SORRY.
INDUSTRIALLY THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY MOSTLY.
SO THAT KIND OF DICTATES WHAT TO GO THERE IF THEY WANNA SELL THE LAND.
I MEAN, IF THEY SELL THE LAND, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T OWN THIS LAND.
THEY CAN, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY CAN COME IN THERE, HAVE THE RIGHT, THEY OWN IT, IT SET ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND THEY CREATE WHATEVER THEY WANT.
NOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH $400,000 GONNA GO REZONE THE WHOLE PLACE? 'CAUSE THAT NOT, DO WE NOT RUN INTO DANGER OF DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, BUT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN FOR THAT AREA.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS, ADDRESS IT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
THE QUESTION IS IT'S A TWO LANE ROAD.
I KNOW, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT TO ANY PLACE.
NO, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE.
AND THE ISSUE IS WE'RE WAY OVERDUE ON DOING IT.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN A COMPOUND NOW.
SO I GOTTA COME BACK TO THE POINT OF WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T OWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THAT'S STATE ROAD.
OKAY? SO WE CREATE THIS PLAN AND WE SUPPOSED TO PUT HIGHWAYS IN THERE
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BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT, WE DON'T OWN THE RIGHT OF WAY.WE DON'T, WE'D HAVE TO GO EVEN, MAYBE EVEN GET THE ROADS IF WE CAN GET THE MONEY FROM THE STATE ANYWAY, WHICH IS OUR, THAT'S WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION MONEY.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU CAN SPEND 400 THOU, $400,000 ON.
WHY CAN'T WE GET THE IN, IN-HOUSE STAFF TO KIND OF DROP THE DESIGNS? AND IF YOU, BECAUSE WHEN IT GETS TO THE END GAME HERE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REZONING THE PROPERTY, MAYBE.
WELL THEN YOU GOTTA GET THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GO ALONG WITH THAT BECAUSE THEN YOU END UP, WHERE'S A LAWYER? SO IF WE END UP WITH A PROBLEM OF DOWN ZONING THE PROPERTY, THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP IN COURT OVER THERE IN A BRAND NEW BUILDING.
SO $400,000 IS, IS A LOT OF MONEY TO BE SPENDING.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING ON.
WELL, I GUESS GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO.
WE, WE, WE CAN'T DO THIS IN HOUSE.
WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR LIMITATION? I MEAN, IT, I I GUESS IT'S A BIG THING.
I MEAN, IT'S A BIG PROJECT TO TAKE ON AS STAFF AND WE THOUGHT BRINGING IN SOME OUTSIDE THOUGHT PROCESS WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THAT.
WELL, CAN, CAN YOU, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY SIT RIGHT HERE, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN OUTLINE TO US WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN AND HELP US UNDERSTAND BETTER.
SO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST ASKING OUT OF THIS PROPERTY, IF WE CAN WAVE A MAGIC WAND, HOW WOULD WE LIKE TO SEE IT DEVELOPED? IS WHAT IT HAPPEN.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, I, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO SEE YOU, YOU, YOU ALL TAKE A STAB, A STAB AT THAT AND PRESENT WHAT, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST PIECE IS THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
ASKING THEM WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SPENDING THAT TIME WITH THEM AND THEN FIGURING OUT HOW BEST TO TAKE WHAT THEY TELL US THEY WANT TO SEE THERE AND THEN IMPLEMENTING THAT INTO A SMALL AREA.
THAT'S FANTASTIC INPUT THAT WE'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE.
BUT ALSO IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF YOU CAME IN WITH A, ALRIGHT, HERE'S A COUPLE OF IDEAS TO HELP SEED THAT CONVERSATION AND NOT JUST KIND OF COME IN COLD AND LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE US, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN WITH THIS PROPERTY HERE? UM, JUST KIND OF HELP TO HELP THAT CONVERSATION.
I MEAN IT'S, I I AGREE IN SOME WAYS WITH YOU.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER THOUGH TO GET THE PUBLIC INPUT FIRST.
FIND OUT WHAT THE CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE BEFORE WE START THROWING IDEAS ABOUT THINGS OUT.
BECAUSE OUR IDEAS MAY BE COM I MEAN, WE'RE JUST FOUR STAFF MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ENGAGE THE BROADER PUBLIC IN IT.
THIS WOULD GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE THAT BROADER PUBLIC AND GET SOME IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE WOULD GET EXPERT, REMEMBER, YOUR STAFF ALSO KNOWS RIGHT OFF THE TOP WHAT CAN, NO, WE DON'T, IT CAN'T BE DONE.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE LIMITATIONS, MAYBE THE AVERAGE HOMERS JUST DON'T HAVE THIS ABILITY TO RIGHT.
MOST OF THIS PROPERTY IS UNDER A SINGLE OWNERSHIP.
THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, PIECES THAT HAVE, BUT THE GREATER PORTION THAT'S UNDEVELOPED IS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME COMPROMISE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE ELEVATE ONE AREA OF THAT TO ALLOW FOR DIFFERENT USES AND BRING DOWN ANOTHER AREA AS A COMPROMISE TO ALLOW THEM.
SO, WELL YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOWN ZONING.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOWN ZONING.
BUT I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU CAN WORK THOSE THINGS OUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE PROCESSES WHERE ONE PORTION, MAYBE YOU MAKE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONING, MAYBE IT GOES DOWN TO GEN, A GENERAL BUSINESS AND ANOTHER AREA GOES UP TO INDUSTRIAL OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
BUT WE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE STARTED ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEY ENVISION THIS AREA BEING IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY, SO BASED, BUT I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BA YOU'RE OKAY WHEN YOU DO A ZONING AND, AND MR. LAWYER, YOU HAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS STUFF WORKS.
SO WHEN YOU DO A A YOU, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE ZONING ON PROPERTIES, YOU GOTTA DO THE WHOLE COUNTY AND TAKE AND, AND LOOK.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GOTTA LOOK ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY OR YOU ARE GONNA END UP IN A PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH A PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT COULD BE, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE US GOING OVER TO PLAINS AND, AND REZONING, REZONING PLANES WITHOUT THEIR INPUT.
UM, IT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU DON'T HAVE YOU, YOU TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU GET THE GENERAL IDEA, THEN YOU CAN GO TO YOUR ZONING.
AND WHEN YOU DO A ZONING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'S WHEN YOU LAY OUT THE BITS AND PIECES OF WHAT YOU WANNA SEE THE COUNTY TO LOOK.
AND THEN WHEN YOU DO YOUR ZONING FROM THAT, YOU ARE, YOU'RE YOUR, YOU'RE YOU, YOU GOT AT LEAST SOME LEGAL BACKGROUND TO GO TO SAY, I'M CHANGING THE ZONING ON THIS.
I'M GOING GO FROM, FROM UH, SAY RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND I'M GONNA TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO, UH,
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OUR, I DON'T KNOW.YOU MAKE WHATEVER CHANGE, JUST CHANGE THE WHOLE ZONING IF YOU TRY ANY IN, IN BETWEEN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DO THIS.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING INTO A, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A SIGNIFICANT LEGAL CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THIS BIG.
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE SMALL AREA PLAN IS.
BRINGS IN THE PUBLIC, BUT THE OWNER, RIGHT.
AND THIS WOULD BRING IN THE PUBLIC ALSO.
IT'S NOT GONNA COST US $400,000 TO DO THAT.
WELL, TO HIRE A CONSULTANT IS WHAT'S GONNA COST $400,000.
AND PART OF THEIR PROCESS WE DO, WE HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN 30 YEARS.
HOWEVER, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT STAFF SPENT FOUR YEARS AND, AND 10, 15 VOLUNTEERS.
THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT PUT FORTH ON THAT.
THAT'S 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T PUT THE, WE DIDN'T PUT THE SCREWS DOWN AND SAY WE WANTED THIS THING DONE WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO NOW HERE WE GOT A GAP IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE DON'T HAVE THIS IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND SO WE GOT THIS, BUT WE, BUT WE GOT A HUGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN THAT COULD VERY WELL SPEND $400,000 THAT WE END UP, UH, HAVING TO REZONE OR, OR JUST ENDS UP RIGHT WHERE WE STARTED, WE ENDS UP WHERE WE STARTED.
SO I'VE JUST, MY, I, RIGHT NOW, MY, MY CONCERN IS WHAT WE'RE SPENDING $400,000 ON AND IF WE GOT DEVELOPERS CHAMPION AT THE BID TO DEVELOP, I MEAN, CAN WE LEAN ON THEM TO GO PRESENT US A PRESENT US A PLAN AND LET LET THEM TAKE, TAKE THAT LEAN ON LOU.
WELL THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IF WE HAVE DEVELOPERS CHAMPION AT THE BIT WHO WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, OKAY.
YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON PROPERTY? THEY NOT.
'CAUSE THEY PROBABLY DO THAT IN, IN HOUSE.
BUT HEY, IF, IF YOU GOT A VISION, SHARE IT WITH US.
I LIKE DOUG'S APPROACH THAT INSTEAD OF JUST LETTING THAT GO THROUGH THE WALL, LET'S TRY TO DEVELOP A VISION FOR THE COUNTY FOR THAT PROPERTY TO GET DEVELOPED.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SPEND HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO DEVELOP THAT.
AND, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YEAH.
WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THERE AND TELL THAT HOME, THAT PROPERTY OWNER, HEY LOOK, THIS IS OUR CONCEPT AND WE SPENT $400,000 AND THIS IS OUR CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA THINK WE SEE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND I JUST CLARIFY MR. SHEPP THAT, I'M SORRY MR. ROY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE LONG RANGE VISION MM-HMM
SO WE ARE TELLING ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COUNTY THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION IS THIS FOR YOUR PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT ANY REAL, IT'S NOT DIFFERENT IN THIS CASE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST ON A SMALLER SCALE.
BUT, AND WE DID THAT ALREADY FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND WE, AND, AND THE COMP COMP PLAN CALLED IT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE MOST PART.
IF WE WANNA COME IN AND GO IN, IN, IN A MORE MICROSCOPIC VIEW, IS IT STILL EO OR IS IT EO PLUS SOMETHING ELSE? IS IT DIVIDED UP? THAT'S WHICH WHICH AGAIN, I LIKE THE VISION IDEA.
YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST, LET'S, YOU KNOW, PUSH SOME STRUCTURE.
IT, BUT AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY.
WE CAN VISUALIZE ANYTHING YOU WANT.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY GO, NOPE, I LIKE EO 'CAUSE I GOTTA A BUYER FOR IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
HERE'S, HERE'S A POSSIBLE, ALL I'M GETTING RIGHT NOW IS DEVELOPERS WHO SAY I WANNA BUILD HIGH DENSITY, UH, WHAT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT, RIGHT? WE DON'T.
WE, WE, WE, THE BOARD DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT.
BUT WE, BUT WE SHOULD COME BACK WITH WHAT IS IT YOU WANT IN THAT PROPERTY? WELL, WE ASKED, WE ASKED THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT HERE'S THE OTHER THING TOO.
THAT ROAD, THAT ROAD IS, UM, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A DEVELOPER TO FILL SOME PIECES OF THE ROAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT ROAD TO MAKE IT, TO MEET WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE THE STATE THAT'S GONNA DO THAT.
SO IF WE WANT TO DO A PLAN, I MEAN THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF ALMOST RIDICULOUS, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, UH, SMART SCALE MONEY.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE TO GO AND COMPETE THAT.
NOW HOW DO WE COMPETE? IT IS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAN SMART SCALE.
I KNOW, BUT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, YOU GOTTA HAVE A CRISIS BEFORE THE STATE MOVES.
THIS, THEY DON'T BUILD ON PLANNING AND THEY DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T, MY WHOLE CONCERN IS THEY ALWAYS SPEND $400,000 ON OKAY, THAT THAT'S, AND I JUST, UH, I I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
'CAUSE ON PROPERTY WE DON'T, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T.
UNLESS WE, WE GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DO WE WANT HOUSING? DO WE WANT INDUSTRIAL? WHAT DO WE WANT IN THERE? IT'S WHATEVER ZONE RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU CAN PUT HOUSING ON ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
RIGHT? YOU CAN COME IN FOR LIKE A SPECIAL USE OR A SENIOR HOUSING SPECIAL USE FOR SENIOR HOUSING.
WE CAN, THERE'S, THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN TURN DOWN ON THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
A BUILDER COMES IN, WE JUST SHUT IT DOWN.
SO THEY CAN DO SENIOR HOUSING WITH THE, WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT NOT BY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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OKAY.THE, THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PUT A BUSINESS, SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS, BUT WE CAN STILL, IT'S RESTRICTED EVEN THAT BUSINESS IS LIMITED BUSINESS BASICALLY.
SO WE, WE, WE CAN LIMIT WHATEVER BUSINESS IS ON THERE.
BECAUSE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IS A VERY BROAD CATEGORY.
IT ALLOWS QUITE A LOT OF THINGS TAKING ON THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT STILL BUSINESS RELATED AS OPPOSED OH YEAH.
IT'S ALL BUSINESS RELATED AS OPPOSED TO HOUSING RELATED BEYOND THE SENIOR HOUSING.
BUT EVEN THAT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF WE FEEL THAT'S, WE FEEL LIKE THE RESIDENTS UP THERE DON'T WANT THAT AS A FIT, THEN WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T PASS THAT AS A RIGHT.
BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND THAT'S WHAT A PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
WHY DIDN'T, WHY WASN'T THIS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONFERENCE? 'CAUSE THERE WAS ENOUGH WORK THAT THE TEAM HAD GONE FOUR YEARS ALREADY AND DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT ON THAT THEY, I MEAN DID YEAH, BUT WELL YOU WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE, RIGHT? I SAT THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THE MEETINGS.
SO WAS WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER EVER A APPROACHED ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED TO GET DONE? I DO NOT KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS, MA WAS, WHEN'S THE NEXT COMPANY PLAN? NO ONE OWNS IT.
RIGHT? YOU GOTTA BE STARTING TO GET CLOSE.
MR. LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, PLEASE.
WHAT IS THE NEXT COMP PLAN? EARL? WHENEVER THEY, WHENEVER YOU SAY, EARL JUST SAID WE WE'RE GONNA START THE FIVE YEAR COMP PLAN NEXT YEAR, 2027, WE'LL BE BEGIN AT THE PROCESS WITH APPROVAL IN 2028.
THAT WILL MEET YOUR FIVE YEAR REVIEW TIME PERIOD.
SO THEN DO WE EMPHASIZE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN DURING THE NORMAL COMP PLAN DEVELOPMENT CYCLE AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT SEPARATELY THAT WORK? IT IS A POSSIBILITY.
THERE WAS ALSO A POSSIBILITY IN THE INTERIM, SOMEBODY WILL COME IN THAT YOU DON'T, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE HIGHLY, UH, ACTIVE IN THE, IN THE INTERIM.
SO WHEN THEY COME IN, SO THAT, BUT THAT'S THEIR CHOICE.
SO WHAT YOUR VISION OF THIS IS TO TAKE THE WHOLE, IT'S ABOUT A SQUARE MILE UP THERE, RIGHT? YEP.
AND SO, SO THE WHOLE VISION IS TO, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO COME UP WITH SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT WE WANT, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE DONE THERE.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE, LIKE, WHAT SEGMENTS WOULD WE ALLOW? SO YOU AND I AND THE BOARD CAN SIT HERE AND DROP SOMETHING.
YOU GUYS COME UP AND GET YOUR COMMITTEE UP THERE AND THEY COME IN AND JUST DROP A, DROP A, A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THERE.
NOW WHAT I'M SAYING, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S $400,000.
YOU JUST DROP SOMETHING AND GIVE IT PROPOSED HERE.
BUT, BUT, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IN WHATEVER PLAN WE WANT.
BUT I MEAN THAT AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER DOES.
YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? AND UH, AND THEN SO OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER INVOLVED IN THIS AND WE CAN SIT DOWN, WE CAN SIT DOWN.
AND IT DIDN'T TAKE A, DIDN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO DRAW, DRAW A COUPLE LINES ON A MAP, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THIS IS, I MEAN, I I JUST, IS IT WORTH GETTING THE PROPERTY OWNER INVOLVED NOW? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M ASKING WHY THAT ISN'T DONE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT DONE.
YEAH, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A SMITH LAND GO THE 71 OR 77 ACRES I, WE GOT OVER THERE AND MY DISTRICT AND YOU TELL 'EM THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING AND NOT INVOLVE GEORGE L. SMITH.
YOU'D BE IN COURT THE NEXT DAY.
YOU WOULD GET SOMETHING FILED ON YOU THE NEXT DAY.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE OWNER.
WE DO PROPERTY, WE DO, BUT THERE'S MULTIPLE OWNERS NOW.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS NOT FOR THIS YEAR'S MONEY.
WE'RE NOT TALKING THIS YEAR'S MONEY, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING YEAH, NO, NO.
IT'S TALKING TO MOVING FROM FFY 20 TO FY 27, MOVING TO KEEP IT TO 28 AND THEN GIVES US A YEAR.
AT THIS POINT, IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING, A PLAN THEN WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW.
I I'D STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.
WE JUST NEED TO GET THE OWNERS TOGETHER, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TOGETHER, GET 'EM IN A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
ISN'T JUST ONE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEN COME BACK AND LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THOSE, IF YOU'VE EVER DEALT WITH THE OWNERS UP THERE, WE END SOMEBODY.
I'M TELL YOU THE TWO OF THEM, HE COULD BE ONE INTO THIS BUILDING TO THE NEXT WITH A PLAN.
DON'T WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ANY EVENTUALLY.
AND, AND SO THEY'RE SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW GOING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY'RE JUST SITTING ON IT RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU GOT BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS WANTING TO COME IN THERE AND, AND, UH, AND, AND BUILD ON IT BECAUSE WE'VE ZONED IT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
BUT I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE, THIS
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IS WHERE, THIS IS IT, THIS IS WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.WHAT DO WE, THE 400,000 WE SPEND ON THIS IS NOT, NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
IT, IT'S LITERALLY NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING LEGALLY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD EVEN POSSIBLY DO IT.
I MEAN, DOUG, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DISAGREE.
I MEAN, I, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ZONING OF A PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT IS THE ONLY PIECE OF PROPERTY AROUND THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO INDIVIDUALS AND YOU'LL NEED TO WORK WITH 'EM.
AND THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE GIVEN OPTIONS.
WHAT IS THE COUNTY LOOKING FOR? WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND? AND HOW COULD WE AR ARRIVE AT THAT SOLUTION? AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE CAN ALSO APPROACH THE HOMEOWNERS AND TELL 'EM, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, I KNOW YOU WANNA SELL IT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT CERTAIN BUSINESSES ON IT UNLESS YOU GET THESE THINGS DONE.
HERE ARE, HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO SELL YOUR PROPERTY.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT A PROPERTY OWNER, SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M, I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU, TO, TO PUSH IT, BUT I THINK MAYBE WHAT TOM SAYS IS, IS TO MOVE THE NEXT WELL, I THINK, AND IN THE INTERIM, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THAT.
I THINK MAYBE YOU PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND FORWARD THIS YEAR AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO INTERNALLY.
WELL I'D BE, I'D BE WILLING TO GO THAT WAY AND PUSH THE REST BACK TO 28.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? CALL UP TIM CROSS
WELL, I MEAN, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S WHERE, AND THAT WOULD GET SOMETHING KIND OF MOVING.
I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
LIKE IF I BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND I WANNA DEVELOP IT, I, I SHOULD KNOW SOME, I SHOULD HAVE SOME INDICATION OF WHAT I WANT TO DO.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO BUILD HERE IF I HAVE A BUY? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A WIDE SPECTRUM OF WHAT YOU CAN PUT THERE.
SO I'M SAYING YOU GOT A CLEAR CANVAS TO WRITE WHATEVER YOU WANNA WRITE ON THAT.
IF I OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY A MILE BY MILE AS A OWNER, I WOULD EITHER BE LOOKING TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE, LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL, OR I WOULD DEVELOP IT AND I'D COME UP WITH MY OWN DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND I WOULD PAY FOR THAT.
YOU HAVE, I USED TO BUY PIECES OF PROPERTY AND COME UP WITH THE HOUSE TO PUT ON IT.
I DIDN'T GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, HEY, WHAT KIND OF HOUSE YOU WANT ME TO PUT ON THIS? SO I, THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED AS A DEVELOPER, I SHOULD KNOW WHAT I WANNA PUT ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANNA PUT ON THE PROPERTY, PUT IT UP FOR SALE AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE FIGURE THAT OUT AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE PAY FOR IT ISN'T THE, AND THEN COME TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND THAT'S NORMALLY HOW IT WORKS.
LET 'EM COME TO US AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
AND, AND THEN WE GIVE 'EM OUR FEEDBACK.
WE'LL SAVE OURSELVES $400,000 ON, ON THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES, THE HISTORICAL OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
THE WIFE IS, WAS MARRIED TO, UH, MALONEY AND THEY'RE THE, AND SHE IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT, LAST TIME I CHECKED, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BEEN RECENTLY BOUGHT AND IT, OH NO, IT'S, THEY'VE HAD THE, HAD THE PROPERTY.
A CHINESE OWNER OF THE, THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE.
WELL, YES HE IS BECAUSE HE'S CONTROLLING ALL THE DECISIONS.
SO, SO I THINK IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A PROPERTY ON THIS THAT'S OWNED FOR A LONG TIME AND NOW AND HAD USED IT FOR ONE THING PREVIOUSLY.
SO NOW THEY'RE LOOKING, WHAT DO I DO WITH IT? DO I DEVELOP IT MYSELF OR DO I SELL IT TO SOMEBODY AND I'M SITTING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S EO SO THEY'RE MARKETING IT IN IN THAT MANNER.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO COME IN AND SAY, WELL HEY, HERE'S A VISION, LET'S TALK.
AND IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT VISION, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
OR THEY MAY GO, NOPE, I GOT PERFECT BUYERS I WANT WITH EO AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN GET TO THAT POINT IN, IN-HOUSE.
OKAY, SO YOU HAVE GOOGLE MAPS,
THAT'S ALL YOU GOTTA DO, I THINK.
AND YOU PICK THE OPTION YOU LIKE AND YOU TAKE THREE OF 'EM TO THE OWNER.
IF I, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY MONEY.
THE PROBLEM IS THE TRANS IS THE, IS THE ROADWAY, IS THAT NOT THE ROAD? THE ROADWAY IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
WHAT? THE ROADWAY IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
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SIGN OR ANYTHING YOU TRY TO BUILD THERE.'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HAPPY WITH IT SINCE DAY ONE.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU GOT RID OF THE WELL, WAL WASN'T HAPPY WITH IT EITHER.
THAT'S THAT NEEDS, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE IRONED OUT TO MAKE THE PROPERTY.
BUT HASN'T THAT ALWAYS BEEN A DEVELOPER ISSUE? IF THEY WANNA NOT BUILD SOMETHING, NOT BUSINESS.
IF THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS NOW, THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS WHERE VDOT REALLY, REALLY STEPS BACK.
THEY'LL GO, OKAY, YEAH, THEY APPROVE YOU A PLAN AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU GOT A TRAFFIC JAM FROM HELL AND YOU 10 TO 15 YEARS TO GET IT FIXED.
IF YOU'RE LUCKY, YOU'RE LUCKY.
WHAT ABOUT WORKING THROUGH ECONOMIC APPEARS FOR FUNDING.
TAKE CARE OF WHAT, WHEN I SEE THIS, IT TELLS ME THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING, THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEEN $4,000 WOULD BE REZONING THE PROPERTY AND UPFRONT, FORCEFULLY REZONE.
BECAUSE WITHOUT A HOMEOWNER, IF I LOOK AT IT, I LOOK AT IT, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE THAT WE SPENT $400,000 CAN'T GET ALLOWED IN THIS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.
WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S INPUT.
'CAUSE AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT PROPERTY UP THERE, THIS, THIS AIN'T GONNA FLOAT.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUY, IT'S A SPOT PUTTING THEMSELVES IN A BOX.
BUT THE COUNTY PUT 'EM IN A BOX.
AND SO WE WOULD SPEND $400,000 AND IT COULD END UP WITH NOTHING OR BACK.
TO OUR, OUR ORIGINAL STARTING POINT.
SO IF YOU WANT, SO HOW MANY THOUSAND HOMES DO YOU WANT IN THERE? DON'T, DON'T, DON'T TRY TO PUT ME IN A CORNER.
OH, I I'M PUTTING YOU IN A CORNER.
I'M NOT, WE HAVE SAID ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
HOW MANY BUSINESSES I WANT IN HERE.
WELL, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE THINK'S APPROPRIATE.
WELL, AND AND THAT'S WHAT WILL COME BACK.
AND, AND, AND WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES WOULD WE ACCEPT IN THERE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST FIT AND THE BEST USE AND HOW WOULD YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROADWAY? A LOT OF THOSE ANSWERS, A LOT OF THOSE ANSWERS ARE BASED ON OUR ZONING.
IT'S SIMPLY BASED ON OUR WAY THAT WE USE SET UP OUR ZONING RIGHT NOW.
AND THE PROCESSES WE HAVE TO BRING THINGS BEFORE THE BOARD SUPERVISORS.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOUSING ON THERE, DO WE? YES.
WHAT THAT'S THE PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE SEEING.
SO WHAT ARE THE PROPOSALS RIGHT NOW? BUT IT'S NOT ZONED FOR HOUSE UNLESS IT'S, UNLESS IT'S, UNLESS IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA REONE FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING TO, WELL THEN SEE WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT ZONE.
AND WE, AND WE FOUGHT THAT BATTLE HERE RECENTLY TOO, AND JUST SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD FIT AND DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO, I MEAN, I GET, I I GET THEY WANT TO DO THAT AND WHY THEY WANNA DO IT, BUT, WELL, YOU KNOW HOW THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT THAT UP THERE.
IT DOESN'T LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE, UH, LOOK AT RALPH ENGLISH'S PROPERTY ON OFF OF 17.
WE'VE, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN AND TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
AND HE TRIED TO SELL IT AND HE WANTED TO PUT PUBLIX IN THERE.
AND THEN, THEN THE, THAT WAS NOT GONNA FLOAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROFITABLE FOR THE COMPANY BECAUSE, SO THEN TO MAKE IT PROFITABLE, THEY HAD HOUSING.
HOUSING, THE MOST PROFITABLE PART WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
AND I WAS, HELL NO, WE'RE NOT PUTTING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
WHAT DO WE DO? WE TOLD 'EM, NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, DON'T BRING IT UP HERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GO.
AND SO PUBLIX WALKED OFF AND WENT UP TO FOR EUSTIS.
BUT THAT THEN, AND THEN MR. UH, ENGLISH THERE, HE, HE NOW HAS HAD A PROBLEM.
AND SO THEY GOT ANOTHER POTENTIAL PROPOSAL.
THAT MAY COME FOR THE BOARD, BUT IT'S NOT HOUSING.
AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT HOUSING.
AND THE ONLY WAY THEY EVER EVEN TRY TO BRING HOUSING IN WITH MORE HOUSING DOUG PLUS 55 IS THEY, WELL, THEY OFFER 'CAUSE THAT'S A BUSINESS AND THAT'S A O YEAH, BUT THAT'S ALSO LIMITED TOO.
IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS.
AND IT IS A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT THE ONE THAT GENERALLY DRIVES UP SCHOOL COSTS OR DRIVES.
WELL IT DOES DRIVE UP AMBULANCES, DRIVES AMBULANCES AND POLICE.
DO THEY COME, THEY COME IN FOR FOR MULTI, FOR SENIOR HOUSING OR SOMETHING LIKE IS IT SENIOR HOUSING OR IS IT, IT'S GOTTA BE AGE RESTRICTED THEN, RIGHT? NO, ONE UNDER 19 YEARS.
SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY AGE RESTRICTED PROPERTY, BUT IT'S STILL A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO IT STILL COMES FROM BEFORE IT'S SPECIAL USE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
SO I MEAN WE, WE STILL HAVE GUARDRAILS UP THAT, OKAY.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE MOVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND AND SEE IF WE CAN INTERNALLY RESOURCE.
I'M, I'M, I'LL GO WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND JUST TO GET UP, GET PAST THIS THING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SPENDING A HUNDRED THOUSAND ON.
WELL, IS THAT JUST, UH, A MARKER? NOT MAYBE WE'LL SPEND IT, MAYBE WE WON'T.
IF WE DO IT INTERNALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE INTERNALLY IF WE CAN.
THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WE'D PUT FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
IF IT NEEDS FUNDING, THAT'S THE FUNDING PULL YOU FOR.
WE'RE NOW SAYING, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND AT AT YEAR 28
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OR 2027.IT'S IMMINENT THAT WE GET ASKED QUESTIONS ON THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE AHEAD OF IT.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND? COULD YOU DO IT 50,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, I MEAN I, I JUST LOOK, I I WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THIS INTO I CAN GO 200,000.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS IF WE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN-HOUSE, WHAT FUNDING DO YOU NEED TO DO IT IN? IN-HOUSE? YOU HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY.
NO, I'M JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU USE THAT IF YOU COULD DO IN-HOUSE WITH EXISTING PERSONNEL AND IS THIS IN YES.
RESOURCES? WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO USE THAT MONEY FOR? SO I THINK I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IN-HOUSE AT THIS TIME.
WE HAVE A VERY NEW STAFF AND THIS WOULD BE A HUGE ASK FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? YOU SAID WE HAVE TO HIRE SOMEBODY.
I'M SAYING I'D PREFER NOT TO DO IT HOUSE.
SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? 400,000.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST.
AND I, I I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE, IN THIS NUMBER, BUT WHEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE'VE LOST THREE SENIOR PEOPLE.
IS THAT FAIR? AND WHILE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ATTRACT ONE PERSON WITH SOME SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE, THE OTHER TWO ARE FAIRLY NEW.
AND IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? YES.
SO TO DO SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE AND TO TAKE THEM OFFLINE, IT WILL ALSO SLOW EVERYTHING THAT COMES TO THE BOARD, WHETHER THEY'RE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR HOUSING PROJECTS, THEY'RE BOTH GONNA GET SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OUR STAFF WILL, WILL I HERE, DOUG, I'LL TELL YOU DOUG.
WHOEVER COMES UP HERE WITH A PROJECT, YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU LET ME KNOW AND I'LL VOTE AGAINST IT.
HOW'S THAT? AND NOW'S, AND THAT GETS YOU TO THE SAME SPOT WHERE YOU, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS THE, THE 400,000 IS ONLY YOU'RE GONNA GET REZONING.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA BE WORKING FOR.
I I'M NOT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
SO, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS ALREADY THAT WORKS.
WE HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A ROAD BUILT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A ROAD BUILT THROUGH THE PROPERTY UNLESS THEY WANT TO DO IT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BUILD HOW LONG IS THAT ROAD? A MILE? AT LEAST A MILE? NO, NO, NO, NO, IT'S SURE.
OH, YOU ON THE PROPERTY? IPROPERTY? I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC ROAD.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT ROAD BUILT.
I JUST, I CAN TELL YOU THE REALITY OF THE FINANCING RIGHT NOW.
AND I HAVE MONEY FOR PRIMARY SECONDARY ROADS, WHICH IS WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO RESTRICT WHAT YOU PUT UP AGAINST THAT ROAD.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE I WILL, I WILL GO WITH THE SUPERVISOR FOR THAT DISTRICT BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT THE PEOPLE UP THERE.
ALRIGHT? I MEAN'S GENERALLY WHAT I DO ANYWAY WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, PULL IT.
NOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT THAT COMP PLAN, WHEN IT COMES UP, IT BETTER BE, IT BETTER BE ADDRESSED.
WELL, IT SHOULD BE, AND THAT'S ALL NEXT YEAR, ABOUT 10.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE YEARS, NOT, NOT RIGHT.
NO, WE DID HAVE A LITTLE PANDEMIC THING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT DIDN'T HELP.
THAT WAS, I WASN'T PART OF IT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE UP THERE FOR YOU GUYS.
AND I LOOK AT WHAT JAMES CITY COUNTY'S DOING HERE WITH THAT.
THAT, WHAT IS IT, 1200 HOMES OR SOMETHING PUTTING IN THERE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE SAME ROAD, BY THE WAY.
IT NEEDS TO BE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE, HAVE TO BE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS, NEW HOSPITALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, BUT IT'S A PRIVATE OWNED, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH MS. LARSON ABOUT THAT AREA IN PARTICULAR? YEAH.
SHE HAD SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, NEW HOUSING BEING BUILT, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, NOW IS DISASTROUS.
AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE, THERE ONE HAS A VISION OF, OF HOUSING GOING ON THAT PROPERTY OR ANY,
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ANY SUBSTANTIAL HOUSING.I DON'T, I ANYBODY THE, I THINK THE ONE YOU, YOU HAD THE WAREHOUSE ONE WAS THE ONE THAT I REMEMBERED THAT WAS PROPERTY.
WELL I DIDN'T WANT THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH, UH RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT DISTRIBUTION, THE TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND I AGREE THAT'S A, IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU TO, AND THAT'S ALSO DETRIMENTAL TO THE BUSINESS TIMING BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN'T, THEY, THEY'RE GOODS DON FLOW WHEN THEY'RE GETTING, WHEN THEY'RE STUCK IN TRAFFIC EITHER.
SO IT'S, UNLESS WE GET SOMEBODY LIKE, UH, BUSH OR SOME, SOME COMPANY LIKE THAT COMES IN HERE OR SOME, UH, BIG, UH, I KNOW DATA CENTER OR WHATEVER THAT WANTS TO PUT A INTERCHANGE IN THERE.
I MEAN THAT COULD PART THAT'S A PROBLEM.
COULD BE PART OF THE ISSUE BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.
IT CAN BE DONE, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE ON, IT'S ALL VDOT.
AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, NOTHING TO DO ABOUT THAT.
TODAY, BUT WE DON'T, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON FORT USES THAT, THAT FOR FORT USES, WHEN THEY PULLED IT OUT OF THE WIDENING OF 64, THAT INTERCHANGE.
BUT JUST THAT ONE INTERCHANGE ALONE WAS ALMOST, ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS.
AND IT WAS, WELL NOT QUITE THAT MUCH, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE $900 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND TODAY WE EASILY COVER THAT.
AND SO WE DO IT WITH, WE DO IT WITH GRANTS AND WHATNOT.
THERE'VE BEEN, THEY'VE TPOS TRYING TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO THESE ROADS, AND AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF GO TO THIS 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THERE IS NO PRIMARY SECONDARY ROAD MONEY
OKAY? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET WITH THAT THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT OF THE, OF INCREASE TO THE TAXES TO ADD ON IT.
THEY WOULD'VE ALLOWED US TO DO THIS.
THEY WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD'VE ALLOWED US TO DO THAT.
SO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SHOT US IN THE BUTT WITH THIS.
SO WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THERE'S NO FUNDING, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THE MONEY.
SO WE'RE RIGHT NOW CAN DO LITTLE BITTY PROJECTS LIKE WIDEN ONE LANE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S, THAT'S THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING HOW IT'S TIED TOGETHER, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU BRING WHATEVER COMES UP, YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW.
AND I'LL, OKAY, SUSAN, BACK TO YOU.
UM, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE PRELIMINARY PROPOSED CIP AND THEN THE RECORD, THE REVISION BASED ON THE CHANGES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SOME MORE CHANGES TO THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION HERE TODAY.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE HERE IS THE TOTAL IS, IS DIFFERENT BY $20 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST A, A PLACEHOLDER AMOUNT OF WHAT WE COULD AFFORD WITHIN OUR CURRENT DEBT POLICIES, UM, TO PUT TOWARD THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ESTIMATE IS YET, BUT THAT'S JUST A PLACE ORDER.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT WITH THOSE CHANGES, UM, WE ARE STILL WITHIN OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICIES HERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS FOR THE SIX YEAR PLANS STILL.
UM, THE ONE WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT IS THE 10% OF
AND WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING THAT'S THE MAX.
AND SO WE'RE WITHIN OUR POLICY HERE.
BUT YOU DO SEE IT'S GOING UP BECAUSE OF COURSE WE'RE ADDING SOME OF THOSE, THOSE LARGER PROJECTS.
BUT THIS IS ALSO WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING 12.
THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENTS, THE ADDITIONAL REVENUES, THE POLICY POTENTIAL CHANGES, ALL THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE STILL FORECASTING TO BE A PERCENTAGE BELOW THE MAX ALL THE WAY UP TO 2032 ALSO, RIGHT? SO YES.
WHY IS THIS SHOWING AT THE MAX? NO, IT'S NOT.
WHY DID I SAY HIM SAY THAT 10%.
I'M JUST GETTING LOCKED ON THESE NUMBERS.
SO IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT APRIL 16TH.
SO
WE KIND OF LET THAT, WE LET THAT, THAT LAST ONE JUST FLOAT, FLOAT TOO LONG.
I HAVE A NO ACTUALLY WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD I, IN TERMS OF CIP AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU, YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL, UH, LOOKS AT THIS.
I FEEL LIKE WITH THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED TONIGHT, WE CAN WRAP THE CIP UP.
YOU HAD ALREADY CANCELED NEXT TUESDAY'S MEETING TUESDAY, THURSDAY.
AND SO WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST IS, MR. DREWRY THAT WE CANCEL NEXT THURSDAY'S MEETING.
SO, BUT YOU WOULDN'T CANCEL ONE.
NO, THAT'S NOT HOW THAT HAPPENED.
SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE, WE CANCEL THURSDAY AND WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH THE REGULAR SCHEDULE AFTER THAT.
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SO WE'RE CANCELING THURSDAY.I CAN CLICK WHAT, WHAT WERE WE GONNA DO THAT MEETING? WE JUST HAD IT AS A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE THERE'S ANY LEFTOVER THINGS TO, BUT WE, LET'S WHAT'S DATE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
ALRIGHT, SO I THINK WE'RE PLACE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CANCELED THE 14TH AND THE 16TH.
BOTH MEETINGS WEEK CANCELED NEXT WEEK, TUESDAY AND THURSDAY THE 14TH.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE APRIL 21ST.
THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND EVERYBODY GOT YOUR TAXES DONE.
YOU HAVE A MEETING THAT NIGHT THOUGH? THE 16TH, I THINK SIX.
SO THE 15TH, AS SUSAN SAID, THE NEXT MEETING AFTER TONIGHT YOU'LL HAVE WILL BE THE 21ST.
THAT'LL BE OUR PUBLIC HEARING IT, OUR REGULAR RECORD SCHEDULE, REGULAR SCHEDULE SERVED.
WELL THAT CLEARS ONE MEETING NIGHT FOR THAT DAY EVEN.
YOU CANCEL THEM FOR US ON THE I DO.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO STAY IN THE CITY ON MONDAY? YES.
SO I HAVE A SIR, I BELIEVE THAT WRAPS EVERYTHING UP.
I WANT TO, I DO HAVE A COMMENT.
I WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE BECAUSE I I I, I KNOW SUSAN WANTS TO GONNA HARPOON ME ON THIS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE I WANNA SAY THAT.
YEAH, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE IT'S A WHALE.
YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND SUSAN ON THIS, WELL 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT AT 28.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE FLAT LINE TAX RATE.
THOUGHT WE WERE THERE NOW
CONVENIENT AND, UH, AND SO, SO THERE YOU BETTER COLLECT THEM PEARLS.
SO YOU BEAT SO WE BETTER GET, AND YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US SOMEWHERE ALONG THE BEFORE NEXT WE ROLL INTO NEXT YEAR WHAT THAT, THAT NUMBER'S GONNA BE NUMBER, LOOKS LIKE.
WE, WE, WE ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WILL PROCESS WILL NOT LOOK LIKE THE LAST TWO OR THREE WE'VE DONE.
THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF CONSIDERATIONS.
THE, UH, A SINGLE YEAR ASSESSMENT MM-HMM
IF THERE'S ADJUSTMENT TO THE TAX RATE, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, WE'LL NEED MUCH MORE CONSIDERATION.
SO I ENVISION THIS, THIS PROCESS NEXT YEAR WILL LOOK SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES AND THEY ALL NEED TO FIT TOGETHER AND TO MAKE 'EM FIT TOGETHER.
WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THOSE AND SO MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I'VE DONE IS TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, BECAUSE ON TOP OF ALL THAT IT LAYS ON TOP OF THE ELECTION.
SO I SHARED WITH YOU ALL THE TIMELINE ON THE ELECTION.
I'M ALSO GONNA SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
AND THEN I APPRECIATE THAT TOO.
I'M ALSO GONNA SHARE WITH YOU ALL IN THE NEAR FUTURE A TIMELINE ON WHAT THE SINGLE YEAR ASSESSMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHEN IT KICKS OFF, WHEN IT WOULD BE REPORTED, WHEN THE FIRST BILLS WOULD GO OUT, ET CETERA.
SO THAT WE CAN LAY ALL THOSE THINGS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THE BUDGET PROCESS AND SEE WHERE THEY ALL PLAY OUT.
BECAUSE THIS WILL BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
I'M GLAD I'D BE SO HAPPY TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
WELL, THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY DOABLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE.
THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS NEXT YEAR WHEN YOU COME UP WITH A TAX RATE NUMBER HMM.
THAT IS GOING TO BE THE BOMB BECAUSE IT'S 78 CENTS ISN'T GONNA WORK TO FIT THIS PLAN.
I DON'T WANT TO, I MIGHT GO SAY WHAT I THINK THE NUMBER'S GONNA BE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE 78 CENTS AND IT'S GONNA BE AN ELECTION YEAR AND IT'S GONNA BE HARD IN AN ELECTION YEAR TO GO DOWN AND JAM A LARGE TAX RATE DOWN THE THROATS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND I MEAN, JUST SITTING HERE, I, I'M JUST, I'M I, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A FOOD FIGHT NOW OR DO YOU WANT HAVE A FOOD FIGHT NEXT YEAR DURING THE ELECTION YEAR? AND SO I DON'T WANT BREAK THE PROCESS.
I THINK WE WANT TO GO, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING TO A SINGLE FLAT RATE SYSTEM.
WE SAW IT WORK IN HANOVER OR WHICHEVER ONE THAT WAS HANOVER'S HANOVER.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, BUT TO CLIMB THAT HILL, TO GET OVER THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO AGREE TO A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE TAX RATE OR, OR IT'S PHASED IN.
WE DON'T DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T EAT THAT ALL IN ONE TIME.
WELL THAT'S, IT MAY TAKE TWO OR
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THREE YEARS TO PHASE INTO IT.THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION IF WE ARE GONNA PHASE INTO IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
I KNOW, BUT TO GET HERE, IT'S STILL GONNA BE PAINFUL.
SO I WANT YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT NOW BECAUSE THE STAFF'S GONNA BE BUSTING THEIR ASS TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING WORK AND THIS PUZZLE AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T STEP UP AND, AND ADDRESS THAT TAX ISSUE AS SOON AS WE CAN.
THEN WE, THEN THIS IS, IT'S GONNA BE IT.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO STICK WITH A TWO YEAR PROCESS OR WE PHASE INTO IT.
THAT'S I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.
OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT AND WE CAN DO IT TOO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT WONDERFUL INPUT.