* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD [Call to Order] EVENING. I'LL CALL THE, UH, REGULAR MEETING OF THE, UH, YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TO ORDER. AND WE HAVE HAD A, AN ACCIDENT ON 17 THAT'S RESULTED IN A NUMBER OF PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE ON TIME. WE'RE GONNA IMMEDIATELY GO TO RECESS AND RESUME ONCE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT QUORUM. WE RESUME THE MEETING OF THE, UH, YORK COUNTY, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS JANUARY 20TH. I THOUGHT I HAD THE SHORTEST, UH, REC MEETING ON RECORD, BUT, UH, THAT DIDN'T LAST LONG. WE NOW HAVE, UH, QUORUM. I'LL CALL FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. ROY? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. HERE. MR. DRURY. PRESENT. MR. R. HERE. MR. SHEPHERD. HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE, UH, INVOCATION. UH, BRIAN FULLER WILL LEAD US IN PRAYER. PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER. FATHER, WE CAN DO THANKS FOR THIS DAY AND FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS, OPPORTUNITIES, AND EVEN CHALLENGES YOU HAVE BESTOWED UPON US. THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE FREEDOM AND OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE GRACIOUSLY PROVIDED, WHICH ALLOW US TO GATHER THIS EVENING TO CONSIDER COUNTY BUSINESS. GIVE US WE PRAY WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AS WE CONSIDER EACH BUSINESS ITEM, AND HELP US TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT UPON OUR CITIZENS AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. WE HUMBLE PRAYER IN YOUR HOLY NAME. AMEN. AMEN. MRS. NOEL, IF YOU WOULD TAKE US THROUGH THE, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FIRST ON OUR, UH, PRESENTATIONS [1. Service Recognitions: Present service pins to employees for their years of service to York County. ] TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, SERVICE RECOGNITION. I'M GONNA TURN THE MIC OVER TO MY VICE CHAIR. HE WILL LEAD US THROUGH THAT. AND I WILL GO TO THE PODIUM. THAT'S ME. THAT'S YOU. OKAY. THANKS. SERVICE RECOGNITION. UH, THE FIRST ONE THAT WILL BE, UH, FOR 35 YEARS OF SERVICE, ASSISTANT CHIEF, AN ANTHONY PRADA, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY CHIEF BALDWIN. THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD. MR. HORO, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE CHIEF PRADER FOR HIS 35 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY. CHIEF PTO JOINED US BACK IN JANUARY OF 1991, ROSE TO THE RANKS, SERVING AS LIEUTENANT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CAPTAINS ASSIGNMENTS, POSITIONS, AND WAS PROMOTED TO HIS CURRENT ROLE AS ASSISTANT CHIEF OF SUPPORT SERVICES IN JUNE OF 2018. THANK YOU. HAD EACH OTHER SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS. ALWAYS A PLEASURE. I HAVE A GIFT FOR YOU, CHIEF BALDWIN, IF YOU CAN JOIN US FOR THE PHOTOS YOU CAN. AND THEN WE'LL BOTH FIND OUT WHAT'S IN THERE. , THAT'S YOUR CERTIFICATE IN PEN. THANKS, KIM. THANK OKAY. FOR, UH, NEXT RECOGNITION FOR 20 YEARS OF SERVICE IS MASTER DEPUTY SHERIFF INVESTIGATOR DAVID SCHAFER, YOUR COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THE SHERIFF MONTGOMERY WADE. YOU'RE DOING THE PRESENTATION. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. HOLLOWAY. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO MASTER DEPUTY INVESTIGATOR DAVID SCHAFER. DAVID WAS HIRED BY THE YORK PERCUSSION SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN DECEMBER OF 2005. HE HAD SPENT HIS PRIOR TWO YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH PORTSMOUTH. JUST BEFORE THAT. SINCE HE'S COME TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, HE'S BEEN A PATROL DEPUTY. HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BIKE TEAM, FIELD TRAINING OFFICER, GENERAL INSTRUCTOR. AND IN 2017, HE WAS PROMOTED TO HIS CURRENT RANK OF INVESTIGATOR. WHILE HE IS BEEN IN INVESTIGATIONS, HE'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE HOMELAND SECURITY HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE, AND HE'S ALSO OUR DRUG INVESTIGATOR. WHILE HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE HOMELAND SECURITY HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE, HE WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT LED THE PROSECUTION AND THE SUCCESSFUL PROSECUTION OF THE LARGEST LABOR [00:05:01] TRAFFICKING CASE TO DATE IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. THAT OCCURRED, SADLY, HERE IN YORK COUNTY, BUT HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING FOUR INDIVIDUALS IN JAIL AS A RESULT OF HIS INVESTIGATION. HE'S JOINED TONIGHT BY HIS WIFE, KENDRA, HIS SON, GRANT. HE HAS A DAUGHTER, PEYTON, WHO'S AT HOME NOT FEELING TOO WELL TONIGHT, SO SHE COULDN'T MAKE IT. SO PLEASE JOIN ME AND CONGRATULATING INVESTIGATOR DAVID SCHAFER. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHERIFF. IF YOU COULD JOIN US CERTIFICATE AND PIN AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THE, UM, PRESENTATION RECOGNITIONS. UH, [2. State of the Norfolk Airport. Receive a presentation from Mark Perryman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Norfolk Airport Authority ] WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE STATE OF THE NORFOLK AIRPORT AND INTRODUCE, UH, LET'S SEE. MARK PERRYMAN. WHERE? MARK, WHERE ARE YOU? OH, THERE HE IS. OKAY. I JUST SAW HIM THE OTHER DAY. UH, HE'S THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE NORFOLK AIRPORT AUTHORITY. WELCOME. IS THAT MINE? YEP. WE GOT IT. THIS KEYBOARD OUT. THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS. AND MR. SHEPHERD, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. AND, UH, GIVING, GIVING YOU THE STATE OF THE, UH, AIRPORT, OUR OWN, UH, NORFOLK INTERNATIONAL, OR MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS ORF. WE LOVE OUR ORF, DON'T WE? SO, UM, I GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, 15 MINUTES, AND THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FROM, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS OR EVEN THEIR AUDIENCE IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO USUALLY START WITH IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHO WE ARE. 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHO THE NORFOLK INTERNATIONAL, UH, AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS. WE'RE ACTUALLY AN INDEPENDENT SUBDIVISION OF THE COMMONWEALTH VIRGINIA. WE'RE NOT A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY, UH, OR ANYONE ELSE. UH, WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT CO, UH, SUBDIVISION OF THE COMMONWEALTH. UH, WE DO HAVE A BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE NORFOLK CITY COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHERE OUR TIE WITH THE CITY OF NORFOLK, UH, STARTS AND STOPS. MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, WE STARTED AS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, BUT THAT HAS, UH, SINCE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, DECADES AND DECADES AGO. THE AIRPORT ITSELF IS, UH, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE AUTHORITY. SO WE OWN THE LAND AND WE OPERATE THE AIRPORT INDEPENDENT OF, UH, ANY OTHER JURISDICTION. WHAT I LIKE TO SAY IS WE'RE REALLY A CITY WITHIN THE CITIES THAT SURROUND US IN HAMPTON ROADS, AND WE REALLY SERVICE ALL 17 CITIES AND COUNTIES, UH, OF HAMPTON ROADS, INCLUDING THE THREE COUNTIES AND THE CITIES DOWN IN, UH, NORTHEAST, UH, NORTH CAROLINA, THE OUTER BANKS AND AND WHATNOT. UH, WE JUST LIKE YOU, AND WE, WE HAVE A, A, A LARGE EMPLOYMENT OF ABOUT 230 PERSONNEL AND GROWING. UH, WE HAVE OUR OWN POLICE AND FIRE, AS WELL AS OUR OWN, UH, UH, BASICALLY PUBLIC WORKS, JANITORIAL BUILDING, MAINTENANCE FIELD MAINTENANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO EVERYTHING THAT A CITY REALLY DOES AND HAS AS A FUNCTION OR A COUNTY, UH, THE AIRPORT DOES AS WELL. UH, WE, THE ONLY THING WE REALLY GET IS MUTUAL AID FROM VIRGINIA BEACH AND, AND CITY OF NORFOLK WHEN WE HAVE LARGE INCIDENTS THAT MAY OCCUR AT THE AIRPORT. OTHERWISE, WE'RE PRETTY WELL SELF-CONTAINED. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF START AND STOP AS A, A, UM, ACTING LIKE A MUNICIPAL JURISDICTION OR A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. WE REALLY ARE ACTING MORE LIKE A BUSINESS. WE INCUR COSTS, UH, WE EARN REVENUE, AND WE REALLY ARE SELF-SUSTAINING. WE RECEIVE NO TAX DOLLARS OTHER THAN WHAT WE GENERATE FROM PARKING AND OUR OTHER REVENUE SOURCES. SO WE DIDN'T, WE DON'T GET ANY LOCAL TAXES OR SUBSIDIES. THAT'S WHERE WE DIFFER. WE HAVE POLICE POWER, CONDEMNATION POWER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO TAX OTHERWISE, WE'D BE A MUNICIPALITY. SO, UH, THAT'S HOW CLOSE WE COME. BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE, SO OUR, OUR MAJOR SOURCES OF REVENUE COME FROM OUR PARKING, AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ONE THING WE CONTROL, JUST LIKE YOU DO IN THE, IN AS WELL, AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO. AND THEN, UH, WHAT SURPRISES PEOPLE IS THAT THE AIRLINES ONLY PAY FOR ABOUT 15% THROUGH THEIR LANDING FEES FOR OUR OPERATING COSTS. UH, AND SO WE, IT'S REALLY, WE HAVE TO GENERATE OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS ABOUT $80 MILLION, UH, THIS YEAR. AND THEN WE HAVE A CAPITAL BUDGET OF ABOUT 250 MILLION RIGHT NOW AND GROWING. UH, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AS WE GO. UM, AS A ENTITY, WE ALSO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE REGION AND THE REGION'S ECONOMIC, UH, VIA, VIA VIA, UH, VIABILITY AND VOLATILITY. UM, WE HAVE COMMISSIONED ODUS DRAGUS CENTER TO DO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY. THEY'VE NOW DONE IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS FOR US, AND HAVE FOUND THAT ABOUT $2.7 BILLION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IS GENERATED BY THE AIRPORT ALONE. AND THAT COMES INTO EARNINGS AND, UM, JOBS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE, WE, WE ACCOUNT FOR NEARLY 22,000 JOBS, [00:10:01] UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE AIRPORT DIRECTLY THE AIRLINES. UH, AND, AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO OUT FROM THERE TO YOUR SECONDARY AND TERTIARY IMPACTS. BUT, UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY WITH ABOUT A BILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, 993 MILLION TO BE EXACT, AT THE PRESENT TIME. SO, UH, WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT. WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, IT'S JUST A LITTLE UNDER FOUR YEARS NOW. APRIL WILL BE FOUR YEARS FOR ME. UM, I BROUGHT IN, I, I CAME IN WITH THE IDEA THAT WE NEEDED TO START BENCHMARKING OURSELVES AGAINST OTHER AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD. 'CAUSE WE'RE AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AFTER ALL. SO THERE'S A PROGRAM, AN INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM CALLED SKYRAS, AND I ENROLLED US IN THAT, NOT SO MUCH TO GET THE ACCOLADES, BUT REALLY IT'S AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT COMPANY THAT COMES IN AND AUDITS YOUR, YOUR AIRPORT AND TELLS YOU, THIS IS WHAT YOU DO GOOD. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO, OKAY. AND THIS IS WHERE YOU REALLY NEED TO IMPROVE. AND THAT WAS REALLY, UH, A VERY, UH, POSITIVE TOOL FOR US AS WE STARTED TO DEVELOP OUR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND PLANS SURPRISING TO US, I THOUGHT WE'D PROBABLY GET A THREE STAR OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT VICINITY. WE ARE A FOUR STAR AIRPORT. MIND YOU, THERE ARE ONLY SEVEN, FOUR STAR AIRPORTS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE ONE OF THEM. AND SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND I ATTRIBUTE THAT TO MY VERY TALENTED AND DEVOTED STAFF WHO TAKE CARE OF THAT AIRPORT DAY IN AND DAY OUT. WHAT'S MORE SURPRISING IS WE GET BENCHMARKED AGAINST OTHER AIRPORTS AROUND THE WORLD. SO WE ARE, WE'RE CONSIDERED A REALLY, A DOMESTIC ORIENTED AIRPORT. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INTERNATIONAL, SMALL EYE, AS I CALL IT, VERSUS A LOT OF OTHER AIRPORTS. SO WE GOT, UH, UH, EVALUATED AGAINST OTHER DOMESTIC ORIENTED AIRPORTS AROUND THE WORLD. AND WE ARE, WE'RE CONSIDERED THE FOURTH BEST DOMESTIC AIRPORT IN THE WORLD. UH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST TO, TO, UM, TOKYO HAIDA, UH, OSAKA, AND, UH, CHENDU, THOSE ARE ALL IN FAR EAST ASIA, UH, CHINA AND JAPAN. SO WHEN YOU PEEL IT ALL AWAY, WE'RE THE BEST DOMESTIC AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY. AND ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OTHER US AIRPORTS RIGHT BEHIND US, DALLAS, LEFT FIELD, CHICAGO, MIDWAY AND KANSAS CITY. AND MIND YOU, KANSAS CITY JUST SPENT $2 BILLION ON A BRAND NEW TERMINAL. AND SO WE RANKED ABOVE THEM EVEN. UM, NOW TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AVIATION MARKET. UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE IN. UH, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HERE RECENTLY. UH, THE, IN THE, IN THE NEWS IN THE MEDIA THAT WE JUST REPORTED, OUR BEST YEAR, AGAIN, EVER. THIS IS THE FOURTH YEAR RUNNING THAT. WE'VE HAD A RECORD YEAR, ALBEIT THIS YEAR, NOT BY MUCH, ONLY ABOUT SIX TENTHS OF 1% ABOVE LAST YEAR. AND I CAN, YOU CAN SEE TWO LITTLE DIPS THERE ON THE CHART IN, ON THE RED LINE. ONE OF 'EM WAS LAST FEBRUARY. UH, WE HAD A LEAP. WE WERE COMING OFF A LEAP YEAR. SO WE'RE ONE DAY SHORT IN OUR ACTIVITY, AND THAT SURPRISES PEOPLE. BUT THAT COUNTS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UH, DECLINE AS WELL. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT HIT BY THE SNOWSTORM LAST, UH, LAST YEAR. UM, EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER CLOSED AIRLINES, PREEMPTIVELY CANCELED. AND SO WE LOST ACTIVITY THERE. AND THEN YOU'LL LOOK AGAIN IN NOVEMBER, WHERE WE WERE DOWN ABOUT FIVE, A LITTLE OVER 5%. YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN HAD AN IMPACT ON US. AND EVEN THOUGH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN STARTED IN OCTOBER, PEOPLE HAD ALREADY BOOKED FLIGHTS AND THEY WERE ALREADY PLANNING. BUT BY NOVEMBER, PEOPLE WERE STARTING TO PULL BACK BECAUSE THEY, NOBODY KNEW WHEN IT WAS REALLY GONNA END. AND SO WE CAN SEE WE REBOUNDED VERY QUICKLY, UH, FROM THAT AND HAD, UH, ANOTHER GOOD, UH, DECEMBER AND ROUNDED OUT THE YEAR VERY WELL. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS, IS GREAT ABOUT OUR AIRPORT IS THE NUMBER OF NONSTOP DESTINATIONS. WE NOW HAVE 45, UH, ACTUALLY I SHOULD REVISE. I NEED TO REVISE THAT. WE'RE NOW UP TO 47 NONSTOP DESTINATIONS HERE SHORTLY WITH THE, UH, SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO AND CANCUN BEING ADDED. OUR FIRST INTERNATIONAL AND OUR NEAR INTERNATIONAL WITH SAN JUAN. UH, WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT, UH, CHART TO THE, ON YOUR RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE STAND. WE'RE ABOUT MIDDLE OF THE PACK THERE WITH 45. EVERY AIRPORT ON THAT LIST IS BIGGER THAN WE ARE. AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE WAY, SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA ONLY HAS 41 NONSTOPS. THAT'S AN AIRPORT THAT'S TWICE OUR SIZE, MORE THAN TWICE OUR SIZE. MILWAUKEE, MEMPHIS, ALL AIRPORTS LARGER THAN US. AND WE HAVE MORE NONSTOP DESTINATIONS. A LOT OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTED TO BREEZE AIRWAYS, WHO WE LANDED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO AND HAVE BROUGHT 20 NONSTOP DESTINATIONS TO US AND GROWING. THEY'RE THE ONES ALSO WHO JUST BROUGHT, BROUGHT US CANCUN. AND I THINK WE SOON WE'LL SEE MORE INTERNATIONAL CARIBBEAN DESTINATIONS FROM THEM. BUT WE'RE NOT STOPPING THERE. HERE'S A LIST OF OUR TOP 50 DESTINATIONS, UH, THAT PASSENGERS FLY TO. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT'S OUR TOP 25. WE ALMOST HAVE THAT ONE ROUNDED OUT. WE NEED SEATTLE AND SAN, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND THEN WE'D HAVE ALL TOP 25 NONSTOPS. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE REST OF THE TOP 50. [00:15:01] WE'LL, NEVER PROBABLY QUITE GET THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA FLY NONSTOP TO HONOLULU, OUR NUMBER 34 DESTINATION, ALTHOUGH WE'D LOVE TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WE'LL FILL, START FILLING THAT OUT A LOT MORE AS WE ARE DROPPING THE GREENLAND BARS OFF OF THAT AS WE GO. AND THEN INTERNATIONAL, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING INTERNATIONALLY AND TRYING TO FLY TRANSATLANTIC. UH, WE, AS I SAID, WE JUST STARTED, WE'RE NOW TWO WEEKS INTO OUR CANCUN OPERATIONS AND THINGS ARE GOING SMOOTHLY AND GROWING THERE. UM, BUT WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY CHASING OUR TRANSATLANTIC ROUTES. AND I THINK, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO AT THE MOST, WE MAY LAND THAT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A COALITION OF THE ENTIRE HAMPTON ROADS REGION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 'CAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, HERE'S WHERE WE COMPETE WITH OTHER AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. KANSAS CITY, JACKSONVILLE, SAN ANTONIO, COMAS, ALL LARGER MARKETS THAN US, UH, THAT ARE ALSO COMPETING FOR TRANSATLANTIC SERVICE. SO WE'RE, THIS IS WHERE AIRPORTS COMPETE, TRANSATLANTIC SERVICE IN PARTICULAR. AND YOU CAN SEE RICHMOND'S JUST A COUPLE OF NOTCHES DOWN BELOW US. BUT WE STILL HAVE A STRONGER, UH, DEMAND FOR TRANSATLANTIC SERVICE THAN THEY DO. AS I MENTIONED. UH, WE'RE IN THE GAME. WE'RE, WE, WE WILL WIN THIS SERVICE AT SOME POINT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A COALITION OF OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND CBBS OUR BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPMENT AGENCIES. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PLAYS A ROLE IN THIS AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE AUTHORITY ITSELF. UH, IT IS GONNA TAKE ALL OF US TOGETHER TO LAND THOSE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT AIRLINE THAT WE MEAN BUSINESS, THAT WE ARE GONNA BACK THAT SERVICE AT LEAST INITIALLY WHILE IT'S GETTING STARTED. AND SO IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, AND IT'S GONNA REALLY REQUIRE ALL OF US. BUT WE DO HAVE THE DEMAND. WE'VE, WE'VE PROVEN THAT WE CAN FILL TWO FLIGHTS A WEEK TO, UH, SOMEWHERE IN EUROPE, WHETHER IT BE DUBLIN, LONDON, PARIS, UH, FRANKFURT, SOMEWHERE, UH, OR EVEN REVIC ICELAND WOULD GET US INTO THE NETWORK OF, OF AIRLINES. AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO THERE IS, AND I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE OF IF YOU TRY TO GO TO PRAGUE FROM HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE PLANES AT LEAST TWICE, IF NOT THREE TIMES. IF WE CAN GET FROM HERE TO DUBLIN, YOU CAN GET FROM DUBLIN TO PRAGUE. SO THAT'S THE KIND OF CHANGE IN DYNAMIC THAT IT CHANGES, UH, FOR OUR, OUR TRAVELING PUBLIC. AND LIKEWISE, THEM COMING HERE IS A BIG CHANGE FOR THEM. SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ORF AND WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THIS BILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. UH, SOME RECENTLY COMPLETED PROJECTS, WE JUST, UH, RECENTLY CLOSED RUNWAY 1432. THAT WAS OUR CROSSWIND RUNWAY. UH, IT WAS NOT BEING USED VERY MUCH, VERY, VERY LITTLE BECAUSE IT'S SO SHORT. AND WITH OUR AIR CARRIER FLEET CHANGING, IT CAN NO LONGER ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL AIR SERVICE. SO WE CLOSED THAT RUNWAY BECAUSE THAT RUNWAY TAKES A LOT TO MAINTAIN AND UPKEEP. AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT, OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEED TO, TO DO THERE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE HAVING. UH, THE MOVING SIDEWALKS. THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT WHEN I ARRIVED. UH, WHEN I MET THE PUBLIC. WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET OUR MOVING SIDEWALKS BACK? I SAID, WELL, IF WE, IF THE FEDERAL FEDS WILL HELP OUT, WE'LL DO IT. AND SURE ENOUGH, THEY DID. AND THOSE ARE NOW OPERATIONAL AS OF, UH, EARLIER LAST YEAR. AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE SHORELINE. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY WATER ON THREE SIDES OF THE AIRPORT. SO WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR TO, TO A LOT OF, UH, THE LAND AROUND HERE HAVE TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH OUR SHORELINE. AND SO WE JUST DID A SHORELINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT, UH, LATE LAST YEAR. AND, AND IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AS WELL. SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST ONGOING ARE JUST WRAPPING UP. UH, WE JUST FINISHED, UH, WE'RE AT THE PUNCH LIST STAGE OF OUR INTERIOR WAYFINDING. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE AIRPORT RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN THESE NEW BRIGHT LIT SIGNS WHERE YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY AROUND AS, UH, OPPOSED TO THE OLD BEI ON BEI ON BEIGE, AS I USED TO CALL IT. UH, WE'RE ABOUT TO OPEN THREE NEW GATES ON THE A CONCOURSE, UH, WHICH AMERICAN AIRLINES HAS AGREED. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING INTO. THIS IS GONNA BE A BRAND NEW SPACE. BRIGHT, UH, HIGH CEILINGS AND WINDOWS. IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS ENCLOSED AS OUR CURRENT HOLD ROOMS. AND THEN NEXT WEEK, WE HOPE, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE FINAL PUNCH LIST AND APPROVAL TO OPEN OUR NEW FEDERAL INSPECTION SERVICES OR OUR NEW INTERNATIONAL ARRIVALS FACILITY, WHICH CUSTOMS AND BOARD OF PROTECTION WILL BE MOVING INTO. AND SO THAT'S PRETTY EXCITING FOR US AS WELL. AND THEN A FEW OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE HAVE JUST RECENTLY STARTED THAT ARE, ARE REALLY GETTING INTO THE LARGE DOLLAR, UH, TICK TICKET ITEMS OF OUR CAPITAL DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE IMPROVING THE INTERSECTION AS YOU COME IN RIGHT NOW, AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, YOU COME ACROSS THE NORVIEW AVENUE BRIDGE AND WHICH DIRECTION DO I GO? IT'S A Y AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S VERY CONFUSING. WE HAVE A LOT OF ACCIDENTS THERE. AND THEN ALSO THE ROBIN HOOD ROAD CONNECTION. THAT IS, IF YOU COME OFF OF THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE STRAIGHTENING, STRAIGHTENING ALL THAT OUT, CREATING A BRAND NEW LIGHTED AND SIGNALED INTERSECTION, UH, AS THE NEW GATEWAY INTO THE AIRPORT. VERY EASY TO FIND AND EASY [00:20:01] TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ALL THE TREES STARTED TO COME DOWN AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE AIRPORT. THE OTHER REASON IS THE SECOND PROJECT WAS OUR CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE HOUSED WITHIN OUR TWO FLOORS OF OUR, UH, A GARAGE. UM, THEY'RE OUT OF ROOM. AND OUR, THE, AS OUR GROWTH GROW, AS PASSENGERS GROW, ALSO THE RENTAL CARS GROW, AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THEM WITHIN THE PARKING STRUCTURE WITHOUT TAKING MORE PARKING AWAY FROM OUR PATRONS. AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. UM, IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE TO SERVICE EVERY VEHICLE THAT COMES IN AND NEEDS TO BE VACUUMED, WASHED AND, AND, AND FUELED. THEY HAVE TO DRIVE IT THREE MILES DOWN TO MILITARY HIGHWAY TO A FACILITY AND THEN BRING IT BACK, WHICH DELAYS THE TURNOVER OF VEHICLES. SO WE'RE BUILDING A BRAND NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART, CONSOLIDATE A RENTAL CAR FACILITY, WHICH WILL HAVE A WASH RACK AND FUELING STATION RIGHT WITHIN, BUILT WITHIN THE CAMPUS SO THAT THEY NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE WITH THE, TO SERVICE THE VEHICLES. AND IT'S, IT ALSO INCREASES THE CAPACITY OF VALUE, ABOUT 35 TO 40%. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF GROWTH FOR THE FUTURE YEARS, AND PROJECT HAS STARTED AS WELL. AND THAT'S ALSO GOING IN THAT AREA WHERE THE TREES HAVE BEEN RECENTLY REMOVED. AND THEN FINALLY, THE, THE, UH, OTHER PROJECT THAT WILL BE STARTING LATER THIS YEAR, WHICH IS THE NEW DEPARTURES TERMINAL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE TWO WINGS ON EITHER SIDE AND BRING THE, BUILD A NEW BUILDING OFF THE FRONT. AND SO IT'LL BASICALLY PARALLEL THE BACK CLAIM BUILDING. AND WE'LL HAVE ONE CURB, SO THERE'S NO LONGER WHICH CURB DO I GO DOWN FOR WHICH AIRLINE. SO IT'LL BE MUCH MORE CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY TO, UH, NAVIGATE THROUGH THE AIRPORT. AND THEN THAT ALSO PROVIDES A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OF CONSOLIDATING OUR RENTAL CAR OR NOT OUR CONSOLIDATING OUR CHECKPOINT TSA CHECKPOINT. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE TWO, WE'LL HAVE ONE. AND SO THAT ONCE YOU'RE BEHIND SECURITY, YOU CAN GO TO A OR B WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. UH, ALONG WITH THAT, WE ARE, UH, JUST GETTING STARTED ON A BRAND NEW CONCESSIONS PROGRAM. YOU MAY HAVE ALSO HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A LOT OF NEW LOCAL RESTAURANTS, UH, AND SHOPS, UH, TO THE HAMPTON ROADS AREA WITHIN THE AIRPORT OF COVA BREWING, IF YOU KNOW THAT. UH, TOWN CITY, TOWN CITY COLD PRESS, UH, OH, HOPE THE GHOST KITCHEN, UH, WHICH IS A FOOD TRUCK THAT WILL BE THEIR FIRST BRICK AND MORTAR. AND SO WE'RE HELPING A YOUNG ENTREPRENEUR. YOU'LL BRING A RESTAURANT UP. AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THAT IN THE, UH, IN THE AIRPORT. IT'S ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE MOST POPULAR FOOD TRUCK WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT, SO IT'S GONNA BE GREAT THERE. SO THERE'S JUST A FEW OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY. AND HERE'S JUST A LITTLE VIDEO AND I TURN, THERE YOU GO. SO THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AS YOU'RE CROSSING INTO NORVIEW. HERE'S THAT NEW INTERCHANGE THAT I REFERENCED. THE NEW ORF SIGNAGE THAT IT COMES IN. WAVE FINDING WILL BE MUCH EASIER WITH THE HIGH OVERHEAD GANTRY SIGNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'RE GONNA KEEP, WE'RE GONNA BRING TREES BACK, BUT THERE'LL BE MORE STREET SCAPED AND APPROPRIATE AS A BOULEVARD. AND THEN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS THE NEW CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY. YOU'LL ACTUALLY ENTER THAT FROM THE ROBIN HOOD ROADSIDE, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AS MANY STREET PENETRATIONS ON THE BOULEVARD COMING INTO THE AIRPORT. SO YOU'LL ENTER AND EXIT THAT ON THE ROBIN HOOD ROAD, UH, UH, SIDE ROAD. AND ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING ARRIVALS, UH, BUILDING, UH, WHERE YOUR BAD CLAIM IS TODAY. AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE NEW, UH, DEPARTURES BUILDING. UH, THERE, THIS IS A LITTLE OUTDATED. UH, WE'VE NOW EXTENDED THAT BUILDING A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT WE HAVE MORE, UH, DROP OFF, UH, CURB FRONT. UM, THIS STILL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THE SIDE TO SIDE, BUT, UH, WE'RE, THAT'S BEING CHANGED AS WE SPEAK, UH, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY GOT A BETTER PRICE FROM OUR CONTRACTOR. UH, SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO MORE FOR LESS IN THAT MOMENT. HERE YOU CAN ENTER THE, THE NEW TICKETING HALL YOUR DRIVER DRIVES, LIKE WE STUFF AND . SO THIS IS OUR NEW TICKETING HALL AND, UH, VERTICAL CIRCULATION CHANGE WHERE ESCALATORS AND ELEVATORS WILL BE MOVED TO HERE. ONE CENTRAL LOCATION THAT YOU'LL GO UP, YOU CAN SEE THE HIGH CEILINGS. UH, THAT LITTLE BRIDGE THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT'S PART OF THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT'LL BE BROUGHT INSIDE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE TICKETING IS, UH, UH, MUCH MORE, UH, PULL THAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT. THERE WAS AT THE, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL THAT'LL BE ACTUALLY BROUGHT AROUND TO THE FRONT. THAT'S THE ONE CHANGE THAT, UH, WE JUST RECENTLY MADE. UM, AND SO HERE'S THE NEW TICKETING HALL OUT FRONT. AND THEN ALSO THIS SIDE WILL, UH, IS SWINGING OUT AS WELL. SO THERE'LL BE LESS, YOU WON'T GO AS FAR BACK INTO THE BUILDING AS YOU DO TODAY. SO ALL THE WAY DOWN WHERE SOUTHWEST IS ON ONE SIDE AND UNITED IS ON THE OTHER, THOSE WILL BECOME OTHER FUNCTIONS WITHIN [00:25:01] THE AIRPORT. SO IT'LL JUST BE A LITTLE, LITTLE U SHAPE IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BECOME. GOOD MORNING. IF WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS NOW, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND. OKAY. OKAY. I ALL, THIS IS ON TRANSFORM F.COM AND YOU CAN GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK. SO START ON MY RIGHT. MRS. NO, THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WONDERED IF HRBT HAS AFFECTED THE PASSENGER TRAVEL FROM THE PENINSULA. UM, IT, I, I DON'T SAY THAT IT HAS NECESSARILY, BUT IT WILL, ONCE THE TUNNELS OPEN UP, WE ANTICIPATE MUCH, MUCH MORE TRAFFIC FREE, FREE FLOWING DOWN. UM, IT'S AN OPTIMISTIC POINT OF VIEW. I AGREE WITH YOU, . WELL, GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF, UH, PHF AND ITS NUMBER OF FLIGHTS, I, I, I PRETTY MUCH THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE US OR GOING NORTH TO RICHMOND IS, IS GONNA BE THE OPTION. I THINK A LOT GO TO RICHMOND RIGHT NOW IN THE PENINSULA. ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'LL MAY CHANGE. WE'LL SEE. YEP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU BET. YEAH, JUST, UH, KIND OF ANECDOTAL, UM, INFORMATION. MY DAUGHTER GOES TO RICHMOND, THE FLY TO BOSTON, AND I FOUND OUT THE OTHER DAY THAT WE, JETBLUE FLIES FROM HERE DIRECTLY TO BOSTON. THIS IS A LOT CLOSER. SO SHE'S GONNA COME, START GOING OVER THERE NOW. SAVE HER AN HOUR TRIP, BASICALLY. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY IN STAFF MEETING THAT, UM, THE ADDITION OF JET, ONE OF THE REASONS WE LOSE, WE LOST SO MUCH TRAFFIC TO RICHMOND WAS JETBLUE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE JETBLUE. THEY DID. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY LOYAL TO AIRLINES AS WE KNOW. JETBLUE JUST WENT, STARTED WITH ONE TRIP TO BOSTON. UM, STARTING THIS NEXT MONTH, THEY WILL BE FLYING BOSTON, FORT LAUDERDALE AND SAN JUAN, PUERTO RICO. SO THEY SEE SOMETHING IN ORF AND THEY'RE NOW GONNA GROW. I THINK THEY'RE KIND OF KICKING THEMSELVES FROM LIMITING THE THEMSELVES TO RICHMOND FOR SO LONG. RIGHT. THE, UM, SO THE UH, UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION, THE TUNNEL WILL BE DONE IN 27, SO THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM. UM, AND, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE, IF THERE'S AN EXPANSION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TERMINALS WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN TO ATLANTA, WHATEVER, AND THEY GOT THESE WINGS OF, YOU KNOW, TERMINAL A, TERMINAL B AND ALL THAT, YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF, UH, WITH THIS NEW PROGRAM THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS BILLION DOLLARS WE'RE INVESTING, WE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO HANDLE, UH, TWICE THE PASSENGERS WE DO TODAY. OKAY. WELL GREAT. MARK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. THANK YOU, WAYNE. YEAH, THANKS FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE THE, UH, UPDATE. UH, A LOT OF EXCITING STUFF GOING ON. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. SO KEEP THAT UP. UM, I, FOR 1:00 AM UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS SO I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO WASHINGTON TO GET OUT OF DULLES. UH, 'CAUSE THAT'S, UH, A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO GO UP THERE. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME OF THOSE INTERNATIONAL TRIPS COMING RIGHT OUT. KNOW, SO LET'S GET THAT TUNNEL DONE SO I DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT THAT EITHER, SO. ABSOLUTELY. BUT THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. YOU BET. ALRIGHT. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE, UH, OVERVIEW. VERY INFORMATIVE. I LEARNED A FEW THINGS. UM, YOUR STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB, UH, PROVIDING AN ENJOYABLE TRAVEL EXPERIENCE ONCE YOU'RE AT THE AIRPORT. THANK YOU. BUT GETTING THE AIRPORT, AND YOU TOUCHED UPON THIS A LITTLE BIT AND BE A BIT OF A STRESSOR MM-HMM . ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WORK WITH LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, CITY OF NORFOLK VDOT TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO GET YOUR TRAVELERS TO YOUR FACILITY EASIER AND LESS STRESSFUL? WELL, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND, AND I JUST NOTICED THIS, AND, AND MR. SHEPHERD WAS THERE AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE WENT OVER THE, UM, H TPOS, THE TIP AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KEY TO GETTING ANY SURFACE AND INTERCHANGE, UH, MODIFICATIONS DONE. UH, WE DO HAVE A MODIFICATION, UH, REQUEST IN FOR THE ROBINHOOD MILITARY HIGHWAY. RIGHT NOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A FULLY FUNCTIONING INTERCHANGE. SO IF YOU'RE LEAVING THE AIRPORT AND TRYING TO GO EAST AND SOUTH, YOU HAVE TO GO TO NORVIEW. UH, WITH, WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THAT FIXED AT ROBINHOOD ROAD. THE ONE THING I DIDN'T SAY IS WE'RE STRAIGHTENING OUT ROBINHOOD ROAD WITH THE RUNWAY CLOSURE. WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT STRAIGHT ACROSS, AND SO WE'RE GONNA IMPROVE THAT CORRIDOR, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE LIGHTS, DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE RESIDENCES LIKE YOU SEE ON NORVIEW. AND I THINK IT'LL PROVIDE A, A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR MOST TRAVELERS COMING TO THE AIRPORT AND MUCH EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF. OKAY. GOOD TO HEAR. THANKS. YEAH. OKAY, MARK, GREAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHARING THAT WITH US. YOU HAVE ONE QUESTION. SURE. HOW MANY CORPORATE JETS DO YOU HANDLE IN A, IN A DAY OR A WEEK? UH, WE HAVE 88 BASED AIRCRAFT THERE. ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE SMALL SINGLE ENGINE PISTON AND THE REST ARE CORPORATE JETS. UH, ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE'RE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 40 TO 50 CORPORATE FLIGHTS A DAY. UH, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT. AND WE ARE, WE JUST, UM, WITH THE OFFSHORE WIND PROJECT, UH, THAT'S GOING ON WITH DOMINION, UH, HELI SERVICES IS A NEW COMPANY, UH, THAT'S BASED OUT OF NEW ENGLAND. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SET UP AN OPERATION HERE TO SERVICE THAT DOMINION, WIND, WIND FARM, AND [00:30:01] THEY'RE GONNA BE FLYING, UH, 10 HELICOPTERS OR MORE A DAY OUT TO THE WIND FARM JUST TO SERVICE THAT. AND SO THEY'RE GONNA BE AT ORF AS WELL. WE'VE OFTEN HEARD OF SCHOOLING BEING A REASON PEOPLE MOVE TO THIS AREA, BUT EASE OF, UH, OF AIRPORT TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER BIG REASON WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY. IN THIS AREA. AND WITH ALL THESE CHANGES AND PLANS, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE WHO WE ARE AS AN AIRPORT AND WHAT WE ARE AS AN AIRPORT. WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT EASIER AND BETTER FOR OUR PUBLIC. I WAS JUST GONNA ADD ON TO THAT, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, UH, FROM SOME OF OUR, UH, TIME SPENT WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND HERE. COMPANIES ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR THAT EASE OF TRANSPORT IN AND OUT OF LOCATIONS. AND, UH, THIS IS IDEAL FOR, UH, FOR ANYBODY IN THE NEW YORK COUNTY REGION. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU BET. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [3. Budget Mid-Year Review. Receive a presentation from Susan Goodwin, Deputy County Administrator. ] NEXT ON PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE, UM, BUDGET MID-YEAR REVIEW. SUSAN GOODWIN WILL LEAD, UH, THAT DISCUSSION. GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT I'LL BE REVIEWING OUR MIDYEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST. UH, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, SO WE HAVE ENOUGH FINANCIAL ACTIVITY TO FORECAST WHAT WE THINK WHERE WE'RE GONNA LAND AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES. SO, UM, AS THE BOARD IS AWARE, WE'RE CONSISTENTLY DOING BUDGET MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE MADE THE BUDGET ARE TRACKING HOW WE WOULD EXPECT. AND SO WE DO THAT, UM, THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS FROM RUNNING, UM, PROJECTIONS. AFTER EACH, UH, PAYROLL IS RUN TO RUNNING DIFFERENT REVENUE AND EXPENSE TREND REPORTS TO HAVING, UH, SYSTEMS WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM TO STOP OVERSPENDING ACCOUNTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING. ALL OF THOSE PRACTICES HELP US, UM, MONITOR THE BUDGET AND HELP US DEVELOP THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET BASED ON WHAT CHANGES WE'RE SEEING. TONIGHT I'M GONNA BE FOCUSING ON GENERAL FUND, UH, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY OPERATING FUND OF THE COUNTY. AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND, UM, THERE'S OVER 200 INDIVIDUAL REVENUE LINE ITEMS, BUT THE REVENUES LISTED HERE ARE OUR KEY REVENUES AND MAKE UP ABOUT 92% OF OUR BUDGET. SO THE FIRST IS REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE, AND THAT IS OUR LARGEST SINGLE REVENUE SOURCE AND THE GENERAL FUND, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE ON THIS CHART THAT WE HAVE THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF ACTUAL ACTIVITY, OUR BUDGET FOR FY 26, AND THEN THE LIGHT IS BLUE IS WHERE OUR PROJECTION FOR WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GONNA LAND THIS YEAR BASED ON THE FIRST HALF COLLECTIONS. YOU KNOW, COLLECTIONS REAL ESTATE ARE IN DECEMBER AND JUNE. SO WE'VE GOT OUR FIRST HALF COLLECTED. WE ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTING REAL ESTATE TAX TO, UH, FINISH ABOVE BUDGET BY 1.2 MILLION. UH, THE NEXT THING THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REAL ESTATE TAX, UM, THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH IT, IS THE DISABLED VETERANS TAX RELIEF. UH, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT IN CONCERT WITH THE REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE BECAUSE IT DOES REPRESENT A, A LARGE PORTION OF OUR, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE. UM, THIS TAX EXEMPTION STARTED IN 2011 AND IT HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN. UH, IN THE PAST YEAR ALONE, THE TOTAL EXEMPTIONS HAVE INCREASED BY $1 MILLION, UM, AT 5 MILLION, UH, FOR 2025. THAT REPRESENTS ALMOST 4 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF OF VETERANS IN THIS AREA. WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE GROWTH LIKE THIS IN THE EXEMPTION PROGRAM. AND WHAT IS THE DISABLED TAX RELIEF IF YOU INCLUDE PERSONAL PROPERTY? IT, THAT BRINGS IT UP ANOTHER 1.3 MILLION, SO 6.4 MM-HMM . SPEAKING OF PERSONAL PROPERTY, UM, LIKE REAL ESTATE, WE COLLECT THIS IN DECEMBER AND IN JUNE, AND BASED ON THE COLLECTIONS TODAY, WE'RE EXPECTING THIS TO FALL JUST A LITTLE SHORT OF OUR BUDGET BY ABOUT $300,000 FOR THE YEAR. PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATIONS OR UTILITY COMPANIES LIKE, YOU KNOW, POWER GAS, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, AND THOSE ARE VALUED BY THE STATE. AND WE RECEIVE THOSE VALUATIONS IN SEPTEMBER EACH YEAR. YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A SPIKE IN 25. UH, WE BACKED THE BUDGET DOWN IN 26 BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD KIND OF STABILIZE AND IT DID. WE GOT THOSE, UH, VALUES IN SEPTEMBER AND WE ARE TRACKING TO BE RIGHT ON BUDGET AT 3.7 MILLION. SO NOW I'M GONNA KIND OF TALK THROUGH OUR OTHER LOCAL TAXES AND HOW THEY'RE TRENDING. I PROVIDED THIS SLIDE JUST TO SHOW, UM, ALL THE, THE STATE CODE, UM, REFERENCES THAT GIVE THE COUNTY THE AUTHORITY TO COLLECT THESE TAXES. THANKS. UM, THE STATE COLLECTS 6% SALES TAX FROM RETAILERS AND DISTRIBUTES 1% OF THAT TO THE COUNTY. UH, AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAVE COLLECTIONS THROUGH OCTOBER, SO THAT TRAILS QUITE A BIT. UM, AND BASED ON THOSE COLLECTIONS, WE'RE [00:35:01] EXPECTING TO FALL SHORT OF OUR FY 26 ESTIMATE BY ABOUT $300,000. WE THINK SOME OF THIS MAY BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IN OCTOBER. UH, WE'LL HAVE OUR NOVEMBER COLLECTIONS SOON, AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IF THAT'S KIND OF REBOUNDED. BUT RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THAT TREND, WE THINK IT'S GONNA FALL A LITTLE SHORT. THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE TAX, UM, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE 6% SALES TAX, WE DO THE 1% HISTORIC TRIANGLE TAX IN WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND YORK COUNTY. 50% OF THAT REVENUE IS DEPOSITED DIRECTLY INTO THE STATE HISTORIC TRIANGLE FUND. THE OTHER HALF, WHICH IS DISPLAYED HERE, IS DEPOSITED INTO OUR GENERAL FUND AND WE'RE EXPECTING TO MEET THAT BUDGET OF 6 MILLION. AND THAT'S THE 50%? THAT'S 50%, YES. THAT'S 6 MILLION OR THAT IS WHAT WE GET 50. THAT'S 50% AND THAT'S 50%? MM-HMM . OKAY. THE OTHER 6 MILLION GOES TO THE STATE. SO MEALS TAX OF 4% IS CHARGED ON PREPARED FOOD AND BEVERAGES. 50% OF OUR MEALS TAX IN THE COUNTY IS GOES TO SUPPORT CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR, UH, STORM WATER, SEWER, AND WATER. THE OTHER HALF IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND. UM, THIS ONE HERE IS, WE'RE PROJECTING ABOUT $80,000 BELOW WHAT OUR BUDGET IS FOR THE YEAR. UM, SIMILAR TO SALES TAX, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF SLOW DOWN FROM THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. UM, BUT WE, WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA, UH, SOON WHEN WE GET A COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF COLLECTIONS. LODGING TAX OF 5% IS PAID FOR ANY, UH, ROOM RENTED ON A SHORT TERM BASIS. 60% OF THE REVENUES, UM, ARE EARMARKED FOR TOURISM ACTIVITIES PER STATE CODE. THE REMAINING 40%, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOW HERE, UM, IS ALLOCATED TO THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE ARE EXPECTING TO MEET BUDGET THIS YEAR. BUSINESS LICENSE REVENUE IS DUE ANNUALLY ON MARCH 1ST, AND IT'S BASED ON A BUSINESS'S GROSS RECEIPTS FOR THE PROCEEDING CALENDAR YEAR. SO WE HAVEN'T STARTED COLLECTING THESE YET, BUT WE DO EXPECT TO SLIGHTLY EXCEED BUDGET JUST BASED ON UH, UH, WHAT WE'RE SEEING SO FAR. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR OUR TOTAL REVENUE PROJECTION FOR 26? HERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE CATEGORIES I'VE TALKED ABOUT. IN TOTAL, WE EXPECT A MINIMAL REVENUE SURPLUS, ABOUT 800,000, WHICH IS LESS THAN 1% OF OUR REVENUE BUDGET. AND HERE, UH, WE SHOW ALL THE EXPENDITURES BY, BY TYPE, UM, AND WE ARE PROJECTING SOME MODEST SAVINGS IN SEVERAL OF THOSE, UM, CATEGORIES, TOTALING ABOUT $2.1 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE TWO TOGETHER, THE REVENUE SURPLUS AND THE EXPENDITURE SUR SURPLUS, IT TOTALS ABOUT 2.9 MILLION OR 1.5% OF OUR ADOPTED BUDGET. WHAT FALLS INTO THE PERSONAL, UH, SERVICES CATEGORY? THAT'S SALARIES AND BENEFITS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, UM, ON HOW WE COMPARE TO PRIOR YEAR SURPLUS, UM, I WANTED TO SHOW WHAT OUR SURPLUS HAS BEEN SINCE FY 20. OF COURSE WE HAD THE SPIKE IN THE COVID YEAR, UH, WHEN WE HAD A LOT OF ONE TIME, EXCUSE ME, ONE TIME FUNDING CARES AND, AND ARPA. BUT SINCE 23 IT'S KIND OF RETURNED TO PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS YEAR AT 2.9 MILLION. IT'S LOOKING A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. BUT AGAIN, IF THINGS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT DATA AS WE GET THOSE COLLECTIONS ON SALES AND MEALS AND ADJUST, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE SEE FIT, AND AGAIN, THAT WILL HELP INFORM US FURTHER OUR FY 27 BUDGET. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANY QUESTIONS? START OVER ON MY, UH, LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS WAYNE? YEAH. RIGHT BACK TO WHERE YOU WERE AT THE, UH, SURPLUS HISTORY. UH, IT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S DROPPED DOWN FROM SIX, ALMOST 7 MILLION TO AROUND THREE. WHAT'S THE, WHAT WAS, WHAT'S THE CAUSE OF THAT? ARE WE PROJECTING? YEAH, WELL YOU MIGHT RECALL LAST YEAR WE WERE PROJECTING AROUND THREE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OUR BUDGET TEAM DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB OF GETTING IT CLOSE. YOU NEED TO BE CONSERVATIVE 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, PUSH IT TOO MUCH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR, YOUR BUDGET DURING THE YEAR, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE. BUT THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING PRETTY CLOSE WITHIN THIS TIME, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE AND A HALF PERCENT. LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME WE WERE BUDGETING ABOUT $3 MILLION SURPLUS, BUT WITH THE FY 26 BUDGET, WE DID CHANGE THE TAX RATE AND SO WE GOT HALF THAT COLLECTION IN 25 THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF THE TAX RATE INCREASE. MM-HMM . SO LAST YEAR WE REALLY ENDED WITH 3.9 MILLION BEFORE YOU FACTORED IN THE EFFECT OF THE TAX INCREASE. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S TRACKING SIMILARLY TO IT AS IT DID LAST YEAR. OKAY. [00:40:03] ANYTHING ELSE? NOT RIGHT NOW, DAVID. YEAH, SO 2.9% IS 1.5 OF THE GENERAL FUND, 1.5% OF THE GENERAL FUND, CORRECT. 2.9 MILLION, YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. WHAT, WHAT IS OUR NORMAL TARGET FOR A SURPLUS OR FOR A GENERAL? IT'S, IT'S HIGHER THAN THAT. WELL, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE A TARGET FOR A SURPLUS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, UNEXPECTED, UH, CHANGES DURING THE YEAR. UM, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY WE BUDGET FOR A SURPLUS. I MEAN, WE WANT SOME CUSHION AND I THINK $3 MILLION IS, IS IS PRETTY CLOSE. THE FINANCE DIRECTOR MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, OPINION ON THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. MM-HMM . OUR COMFORT LEVEL AS FAR AS IS REASONABLE COMFORTABLE AT $3 MILLION OR DID WE LOOK FOR A LARGER CUSHION FOR UNEXPECTED SEWER SEWER LINE BREAKS THAT WE GOTTA PAY FOR? YEAH, I MEAN WE, THINGS LIKE THAT MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAIR QUESTION AND I THINK MAYBE AROUND 5 MILLION WOULD'VE FEEL WOULD, UH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, THE BOARD WILL CALL AT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE LOOK AT THAT SURPLUS TO HELP US IN LOTS OF WAYS. ONE TIME FUNDING FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND SO, AND WE COUNT ON THAT IN OUR CIP WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT PLANNING OF ALLOCATING PART OF THAT SURPLUS TO THE CIP. SO IN THAT REGARD, WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME THERE, BUT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, DELICATE BALANCE TO BUDGET CONSERVATIVELY BUT NOT OVERESTIMATE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, A GIANT SURPLUS, UM, AT ANY GIVEN YEAR, SO. RIGHT. I KNOW I'M NOT REALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BUT IS IT IS, WELL YOU GAVE ME AN IDEA, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE. SHOULD SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPEN DURING THE YEAR AND WE HAVE SOMETHING TO FALL BACK ON AND IF MM-HMM . AND IF NOTHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS AND IT GOES TO PAY DOWN DEBT TO COURTS CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO RIGHT. IT WORKS THAT THERE. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE IMPACT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN HAD ON SOME OF OUR NUMBERS. AND I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK INTO A CRYSTAL BALL A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT HOW EXPOSED ARE WE WITH OUR BUDGET AND THE CYCLE WE'RE AT? SHOULD WE SEE ANO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OR? WELL, IT, IT DE OUR CONSUMER SENSITIVE REVENUES REALLY ARE AFFECTED BY THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WE SEE PEOPLE STARTING TO REACT AND CHANGE THEIR HABITS AND, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, THE NEXT LARGEST, UH, REVENUE SOURCES ARE THOSE CONSUMER SENSITIVE ONES. AND SO IT IS A CONCERN, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH ONLY HAVING COLLECTIONS THROUGH OCTOBER FOR SALES TAX, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY, UH, WE THINK THE INDICATORS ARE THAT IT'S REBOUNDING, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE ALWAYS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO. AND I WILL SAY IN ADDITION TO THE SURPLUS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A FUND BALANCE POLICY, SO WE HAVE A RESERVE FOR IF THERE WAS SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC THAT WOULD OCCUR. SO WE DON'T RELY ON THE SURPLUS FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FUND BALANCE, YOU KNOW, SET RESERVE SET ASIDE AS PART OF OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES TO MAKE SURE POLICIES TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY WE CAN PULL ON THAT. RIGHT. UH, THIS JUST CAN ADD TO IT OR HELP WITH SOME OF THAT ONE TIME FUNDING. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT RESERVE FUND IS APPROXIMATELY? IT'S, UH, YEAH, 22 MILLION. OKAY. ISH. 12% OF OUR TOTAL, UM, GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS WHAT THE TARGET IS AT THE END OF EACH YEAR FOR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. OKAY. THANKS SUSAN. I'M LOOKING AT THE PROJECTED 26, UH, SURPLUS IS 1.5. HISTORICALLY, HOW MUCH HAS IT OUR SURPLUS BEEN OVER, LET'S SAY THE LAST FIVE YEARS? PERCENT WISE? PERCENT WISE? YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S ANYWHERE FROM LIKE TWO TO SIX, 4%. YEAH. I MEAN TWO TO FOUR. TWO TO 4%. YEAH. AND SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S NOT, UH, AGAIN, IT'S THE BALANCE OF, OF GETTING CLOSE AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE VACANCIES, VACANCIES DURING THE YEAR, SO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, USUALLY SEE SOMETHING IN THE EXPENDITURE CATEGORY THAT HELPS TOWARD THAT. UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST FINDING THAT BALANCE AND SOMETIMES THE TIMES THINGS DON'T HAPPEN THE WAY THAT WE EXPECT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY ANTICIPATED A, A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN FOR AS LONG AS IT WAS MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT'S CONTRIBUTING AS WELL. THANK YOU. NOW I'M GOOD, THANKS. I'M ACTUALLY GOOD AS WELL. OKAY. MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY. THANK YOU, SUSAN. AT THIS POINT WE'LL [CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD ] MOVE TO, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. UH, FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE IS PAM POEO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAM POEO. I RESIDE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT. YORKTOWN. IMAGINE WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND PASSING AN ALLEYWAY. YOU SEE A WOMAN BEING RAPED. DO YOU IGNORE IT AND HURRY ON YOUR WAY? OR DO YOU CALL 9 1 1 AND TRY TO STOP THE ATTACK? [00:45:01] IF YOU DO NOTHING, YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS THE RAPIST. WHEN ASKED WHY HE WAS STALLING THE RELEASE OF THE EPSTEIN FILES, TRUMP SAID, MY FRIENDS WILL GET HURT. YES, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAPISTS, NOT THE VICTIMS. MAGA REPUBLICANS KNEW TRUMP WAS A CONVICTED FELON AND SEXUAL ASSAULTER. HE HIRED UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS AT HIS RESORTS AND CONSTRUCTION SITES. HE WAS CONVICTED OF DEFRAUDING PEOPLE WITH HIS TRUMP FOUNDATION IN TRUMP UNIVERSITY. HE TRIED TO OVERTHROW AN ELECTION THAT OVER 60 COURTS, 50 GOVERNORS, AND NUMEROUS RECOUNTS SAID WAS NOT RIGGED, WHICH HE REFUSED TO ACCEPT. HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN INSURRECTION THAT RESULTED IN 140 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BEING INJURED IN THE DEATHS OF FIVE PEOPLE. HE PROMISED, PARDON THE ATTACKERS, TRUMP'S LAWS LIES EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH. YOU KNEW WHAT HE WAS AND YOU JUST DIDN'T CARE. TRUMP SAID, OF RESPECTING INTERNATIONAL LAW, THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP ME IS MY OWN MORALITY. MY OWN MIND OF WHICH HE HAS NEITHER TRUMP IS USING THE DEPRAVED THUGS OF ICE AND BORDER PATROL TO FRIGHTEN, INTIMIDATE, HARASS, ASSAULT, AND MURDER, BOTH IMMIGRANTS AND US CITIZENS, INCLUDING CHILDREN INVADING OUR STATES AND CITIES WITH DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS AND MAYORS. VIRGINIA WILL BE NEXT ON THE HIT LIST. THIS IS AN UNCONSTRAINED MADMAN WHO THRIVES ON CHAOS AND ENGAGES IN ACTIONS TO INTIMIDATE, SILENCE AND EXTORT THE NEWS MEDIA, LAW FIRMS, MUSEUMS, UNIVERSITIES, ART INSTITUTIONS, LIBRARIES, LARGE CORPORATIONS AND FOREIGN NATIONS. TRUMP IS A MURDERER OF THOSE WHO ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW. HE IS ON A REVENGE AND RETRIBUTION, RETRIBUTION CRUSADE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN THE NEED TO. HIS MALIGNANT NARCISSISM TRUMP'S VERY OWN HEINRICH HIMLER. STEVEN MILLER SAID, WE LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD THAT IS GOVERNED BY POWER. THESE ARE THE IRON LAWS OF THE WORLD. SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME HE WENT ON TO SAY THAT AS A SUPERPOWER, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE WANT. LAWS ARE FOR THE WEAK MINDED GREENLAND, CUBA, COLUMBIA, MEXICO, AND CANADA ARE IN HIS SIGHTS FOR CONQUEST. TRUMP SAID OF HIS REASONING FOR SEIZING GREENLAND. IT IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. HE IS THREATENING NATO COUNTRIES WITH TARIFFS WHO DO NOT BOW DOWN. OUR PRESIDENT OF WAR CAN'T GET OVER BEING DENIED THE NOBEL PEACE, PEACE PRIZES. TRUMP'S EGO MUST ALWAYS BE STROKED TRUMP PARDONS SEX AND DRUG TRAFFICKERS. YET HE GOES AFTER MADURA. WHY? BECAUSE HE WILL SOMEHOW PROFIT FROM THE OIL RESERVES AND HE IS P****D OFF THAT MADURA WAS SUCCESSFUL IN HIS OVERTHROW OF A FEDERAL ELECTION WHILE TRUMP FAILED. AFTER TRUMP'S WORLD WAR II, WE WILL HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF THE NUREMBERG TRIALS SCHOOL CHILDREN WILL ASK WHY NO ONE STOPPED TRUMP AND HIS MINIONS. HOW WILL YOU EXPLAIN YOUR ACQUIESCENCE? OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE AND ALL YOU WANT TO DO IS BREAK OUT THE MARSHMALLOWS. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE, UH, VICTORIA KENNEDY OF COLONIAL CASA STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VICTORIA KENNEDY. I'M WITH COLONIAL CASA 39 17 MIDLANDS ROAD. AND WILLIAMSBURG, I WANTED TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, CASA STANDS FOR COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATES PROGRAM AND WE, UM, TRAIN RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS TO ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN WHO'VE BEEN ABUSED AND NEGLECTED. AND FOR OVER 18 YEARS, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SUPPORTING OUR ORGANIZATION SO THAT WE CAN APPOINT THESE VOLUNTEERS TO CHILDREN TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST KNOWN. WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE COURTS, WITH GUARDIAN AD LITEMS AND WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES. AND IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU ALL PUTTING US ON YOUR LINE ITEM FOR OVER 18 YEARS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE DOING WHAT WE DO FOR THESE VULNERABLE CHILDREN. AND I'M JUST HERE TONIGHT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, DANIEL LAB BRANDO. AGAIN, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES. UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DANIEL LAB BRANDO. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1500 SEAFORD ROAD, UM, HERE IN SEAFORD. SO, UM, I'VE RECENTLY UNDERTOOK A AMBITIOUS PROJECT AT MY RESIDENCE, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME UNCHECKED EROSION OCCURRING AT A FAIRLY ALARMING RATE. UH, TO BE HONEST, UH, TO THIS END, I'M HAVING AREAS ALONG MY BANK BE REINFORCED WITH RIP WRAP AND ABOUT 200 LINEAR FEET OF LIVING SHORELINE. UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE TIME REALLY NOW TO EXPLAIN THE NUANCES OF EACH OF THESE AND, AND WHAT THE, WHAT IT MEANS UNFORTUNATELY. BUT THE GOAL IS TWOFOLD FOR ME. IT CREATES, UH, A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO PRESERVE MY PROPERTY FOR HOPEFULLY MY KIDS ONE DAY. YOU KNOW, THE EROSION OF COURSE OVER TIME AND IT CREATES, UM, UH, AN MARKED IMPROVEMENT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BY STOPPING EROSION, UH, FOSTERING SEA GRASS [00:50:01] GROWTH, FILTERING POLLUTANTS, CREATING HABITAT, UH, AND SO FORTH. THE PROJECT IS FULLY APPROVED, HAS BEEN PERMITTED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS BY THE VIRGINIA MARINE RESOURCE COMMISSION AND HERE IN NEW YORK COUNTY BY THE WETLANDS BOARD. UM, I'VE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, SUCCESSFULLY. SO IMMERSING MYSELF. UM, IN THIS PROJECT, I LEARNED THAT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA HAS ADOPTED A PROVISION IN THE STATE CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR A FULL EXEMPTION OF TAXATION APPLIED TO SUCH IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO A PROPERTY. UM, THE EXEMPTION IS TO INCENTIVIZE THIS SORT OF PRESERVATION EFFORT, UM, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT IS VERY COSTLY AND IT'S BORN SOLELY BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, FOR THIS PROVISION TO APPLY. IN MY CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THIS VIRGINIA CODE WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. UM, AND AFTER CONSULTING A FEW DIFFERENT OFFICES HERE IN YORK COUNTY, I AM CONFIDENT IN SAYING IT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED, UM, IN THE COUNTY CODE AS AS OF TODAY. UM, SO, UM, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TODAY IS TO MAKE, UH, THE FORMAL PETITION TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR LANDOWNER SUCH AS ME, UH, TO ADOPT THIS VIRGINIA CODE, UM, TO TITLE 58 DECIMAL ONE DASH 3 6 6 6, UH, HERE IN YORK COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE, UH, AMANDA ORETTE OF AVALON CENTER. HELLO, MY NAME IS AMANDA DOGGETT AND I AM HERE ON DOG. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. I HAVE TERRIBLE HANDWRITING. , I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF AVALON CENTER, UM, LIKE OUR SPEAKER FROM CASA. I WAS HERE, UM, CHARGED AND HONORED TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF AVALON CENTER. UM, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, AVALON CENTER IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, DUAL CREDITED AGENCY BASED OUT OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG JUST ON IRON BOUND ROAD BY FIVE FORKS CAFE, WHICH I HIGHLY RECOMMEND. UH, WE SERVE 11 INDEPENDENT CITIES AND COUNTIES, ONE OF THEM BEING YORK RIGHT HERE, YOU ALL VERY GENEROUSLY, UH, FUNDED US WITH $4,200 LAST YEAR. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT A DIFFERENCE THAT MADE. UM, WE GET GRANTS FROM, UM, THE STATE GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL, BUT THE FUNDERS FROM OUR COMMUNITY ARE REALLY WHAT MEANS A LOT. I DON'T WANNA SAY THE MOST, BUT YOU CAN INFER BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW VERY MUCH HOW, UM, THIS SERVICE IS NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU SEE IT EVERY DAY. UM, I WILL SAY THAT EVERY YEAR WE HELP AROUND 1500 SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT. OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR CHURCH GOERS, OUR COWORKERS, OUR COLLEAGUES, OUR FRIENDS, OUR FELLOW STUDENTS. UM, AROUND 10% OF THAT 1500, UM, RECEIVE ADVOCACY SERVICES THAT ARE RECEIVING ADVOCACY. SER ADVOCACY SERVICES ARE FROM YORK COUNTY. UM, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED, UM, 1300 HOTLINE CALLS ALONE. 100 OF THOSE WERE YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS. WE PROVIDED OVER 2000 BED NIGHTS FOR YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS THROUGH OUR RESIDENTIAL SERVICES PROGRAM AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO STAND HERE AND SAY THANK YOU, ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. UM, AND IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE, FREE TO REACH US AT OUR 24 7 HELPLINE, WHICH IS 7 5 7 2 5 8 5 0 1 5 1. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE CAROLYN JOHNSON, THE ARC OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG. HELLO, UM, MY NAME IS CAROLINE JOHNSON. I'M REP REPRESENTING THE ARC OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG AT 4 38 MCCAW CIRCLE IN WILLIAMSBURG. AS EVERYONE HAS SAID SO FAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REPRESENT ONE OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL. UH, WE CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT AND SO I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL AS GIVE ANOTHER QUICK INTRO ONTO WHAT WE DO AND WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO BE CONTINUED IN FUNDING. UM, SO LIKE I SAID, I'M REPRESENTING THE ARC OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG. WE ARE A CHAPTER OF THE ARC OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS YEAR, OUR CHAPTER IS CELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF SERVICE, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY EXCITING TIME. OUR TAGLINE IS THE ARC IS THERE WHEN THE SCHOOL BUS STOPS COMING, WHICH DENOTES THE POPULATION WE SERVE. WE SERVE ADULTS WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AS THEY AGE OUT OF PUBLIC SCHOOL SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS AT AGE 21. FROM THERE, THEY JOIN THE ARC THROUGH EITHER OUR FOUR DAY A WEEKDAY PROGRAM OR OUR EIGHT TO 10 MONTHLY EVENING PROGRAMS. ONE OF WHICH I WILL BE LEAVING MOMENTARILY TO ATTEND TONIGHT IS ART. WITH ART NIGHT, WE HAVE AN ARTIST COMING IN AND DOING A PAINT NIGHT FOR ABOUT 60 INDIVIDUALS. UM, MANY OF WHO ARE YORKTOWN RESIDENTS WHO WERE ON, I'M SORRY, YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO ARE PROBABLY WERE ON THE BUS ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO. SO THESE PROGRAMS, UM, NOT ONLY PROVIDE THE SOCIAL AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES [00:55:01] FOR THE CLIENTS, MANY OF WHOM WOULD GO WITHOUT, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE RESPITE FOR THE CAREGIVERS. OFTENTIMES, PARENTS OR CAREGIVERS ARE 24 7 CAREGIVERS. THE ARC HAS PROVIDED OVER 28,000 HOURS, THE RESPITE TIME, WITH THE COMBINATION OF OUR PROGRAMS TO OVER 250 CLIENTS AND FAMILIES IN THE LAST YEAR. AND THAT NUMBER JUST CONTINUES TO GROW. SECOND TO JAMES CITY COUNTY, RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY MAKE UP THE LARGEST GROUP OF OUR OUR CLIENTS. WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDING, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES FUNDING FROM LOCALITIES LIKE YOU ALL EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AS WELL AS GENEROUS DONORS AND SUPPORTERS. UM, FUNDING FROM YORK COUNTY SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES TRANSPORTATION SUPPORT THROUGH OUR, UM, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES. SO WE PROVIDE, UH, ROUND TRIP TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM ALL OF OUR EVENING EVENTS ON HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE VANS, DOOR-TO-DOOR TRANSPORTATION, NOT ONLY PROVIDING THE SAFE TRANSPORTATION, BUT AGAIN, THE RESPITE TIME FOR THE CAREGIVERS. SO WITHOUT THIS, UM, WITHOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS, MANY OF OUR CLIENTS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND OUR PROGRAMS. AND WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS ISOLATION. IT LEADS TO REGRESSING SOCIAL SKILLS, COGNITIVE ABILITIES, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR PROGRAMS THAT CAN WELCOME AS MANY FOLKS AS POSSIBLE. UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND KEEPING US AS A LINE ITEM. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TONIGHT TO ALL OF US AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, CAROLYN. NEXT I HAVE MARK WILLIAMS NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. YES, MARK WILLIAMS, FIVE 13 CHARLES ROAD. WHEW, WELL, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I NOTICED I BORROWED A, UH, JACKET FROM THE, UH, CIRCUIT COURT. THERE WAS A FEW ITEMS LEFT OVER FROM LAST YEAR THAT ARE GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR AS WE FOCUS FORWARD. AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT AN HONORABLE JUDGE ICK SAID. WE REALLY NEED TO STRONGLY CONSIDER ALL THE WORD WORDING THAT HE WENT OVER WHILE HE WAS HERE LAST DECEMBER, HOW THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THAT I HAVE DISCOVERED. I'VE DONE SOME HOMEWORK AND RESEARCH AND I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE ALSO. UM, BUT THERE IS A WAY OUT OF THE BIND WEARING WITH THAT COURT SYSTEM. I MYSELF AM A VICTIM OF THAT COURT BEING WITHOUT THE ROOMS, HE ACTUALLY POINTED BACK AT ME, OR AT LEAST MADE A GESTURE. I HAVE TO GO TO WILLIAMSBURG TO SETTLE A CIVIL MATTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE HERE. BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL ISSUE FOR ME AS FAR AS THE, UH, COUNTY AND THAT COURT SYSTEM. YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT YOUR BUDGET ACCORDINGLY TO GIVE 'EM THE SPACE AND THE, UM, RESOURCES THAT THEY'LL NEED. WITH THAT SAID, UM, ONE OTHER THING. I NORMALLY DON'T CARRY THINGS FROM THE PAST FORWARD. ONCE I'VE TUESDAY'S GONE, I DON'T LOOK BACK. HOWEVER, I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME WITHIN THE THREE MINUTE TIMEFRAME, 180 SECONDS. EVEN IF I SPEAK AT FIVE SECOND, FIVE WORDS PER SECOND, THAT LIMITS ME TO ABOUT 900 WORDS, AND I CANNOT DO THAT. AT THIS PODIUM LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A DEPUTY THAT SAVED A LADY'S LIFE OFF OF THE, UH, BRIDGE. I ASKED HIM IF HE DIDN'T MIND IF I MENTION HIS NAME PERSONALLY. HIS NAME IS DEPUTY MCMANUS. HE SAID A SIMPLE SENTENCE THAT MEANS SO MUCH THAT IT CHANGED THAT SITUATION TO SAVE HER LIFE WHEN SHE WAS HANGING FROM THE BRIDGE. AND WHAT HE SAID TO HER WERE, I DO NOT HAVE TO KNOW YOU TO CARE ABOUT YOU. THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO HER TELLING HIM SHE DID NOT KNOW HIM. HE SAVED HER LIFE BECAUSE HE KNEW THE RIGHT THING TO SAY AT THE RIGHT MOMENT. I COMMEND DEPUTY MCMANUS. WE SHOULD ALL HAVE CONSIDERATION OF THOSE FEELINGS FOR ANOTHER HUMAN BEING, EVEN IF WE DON'T KNOW THEM. I'VE GOT 37 SECONDS LEFT. I CANNOT COMPLETE WHAT I NEED TO SAY IN THREE MINUTES. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT BATMAN IS HOMELESS. BATMAN IS NOT CABLELESS IN YORK COUNTY. EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED FOR MARK WILLIAMS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE AND THE GOSSIP THAT HAPPENS AT FOOD LION, IT'S A CENTER'S TONGUE THAT DOES WHAT THEY DO. PEOPLE NEED TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE BY THEIR WORDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE GOSSIPING AND LYING. I APPRECIATE THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. I WISH IT WOULD STOP. THANK YOU. NEXT I HAVE GINA STEVENS. NAME [01:00:01] AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. UH, GINA STEVENS, TWO 19 PARKER LANE, SEAFORD, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU. I'M HERE AS A TAXPAYER WHO'S TIRED OF WASHING MY TAX BILL. RISE. WHILE ACCOUNTABILITY STAYS MISSING. A MAJOR REASON TAXES ARE SO HIGH IS MARK BELLAMY. HE'S YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CONTROLLING, SPENDING AND JUSTIFYING EVERY DOLLAR IS HIS JOB. AND HE'S NOT DOING THAT. AND THIS BOARD IS ALLOWING IT. YOUR COUNTY DOES NOT USE A ZERO BASE BUDGET. SPENDING ROLLS FORWARD BY DEFAULT. PROGRAMS SURVIVE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXIST. THE GUARANTEES THAT GUARANTEES HIGHER TAXES. ZERO BASED BUDGETING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT IT'S NOT POLICY. UNTIL THIS BOARD REQUIRES IT AND HOLDS MR. BELLAMY ACCOUNTABLE. TAXPAYERS WILL KEEP PAYING FOR UNCHECKED SPENDING. ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE OF THE COUNTY'S IS THE COUNTY'S FREE EV CHARGING STATIONS. THEY'RE NOT FREE. TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THEM, INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT OWN ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THIS IS NOT A CORE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION BY OFFERING CHARGING FOR FREE, THE COUNTY IS COMPETING WITH PRIVATE BUSINESSES THAT MUST CHARGE FOR THE SAME SERVICE AND COVER REAL COSTS. THE COUNTY USES TAXPAYER MONEY TO UNDERCUT THEM. THAT'S WRONG. IF THE CHARGERS STAY, THEY SHOULD BE USER PAID AND COST RECOVERY BASED. TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT SUBSIDIZE CONVENIENCE PROGRAMS ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS REPRESENTATION. I WANNA THANK WAYNE DREW. HE REPRESENTS THE THIRD DISTRICT AS HE PROMISED WHEN HE VOTES OR ABSTAINS. HE REPRESENTS THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED HIM, INCLUDING ME. SHEILA NOLL HAS NO RIGHT TO CHALLENGE HIS VOTE. HIS VOTE BELONGS TO THE THIRD DISTRICT. STAY OUT OF IT. ONE LAST THING, BELLAMY'S CORRUPTION AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE JOBS FOR FRIENDS WHILE WE FOOT THE BILL BELLAMY. SO-CALLED JOSH'S JOB SEARCH WAS A JOKE. THE FOAS HAVE PROVED IT. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO 24-YEAR-OLD TREVOR WEBB AND HIS $90,000 A YEAR JOB AND GO TRUMP 2028. NEXT I HAVE, UH, KATHLEEN WALL ARTS FOUNDATION ON THE HILL GALLERY. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYONE AGAIN. UM, MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH ME. UH, MY NAME'S KATHY WALL. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE YORKTOWN ARTS FOUNDATION. I'M HERE TO THANK YOU AND TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE FUNDED US THIS PAST YEAR. UM, THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN ENRICHING THE CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC LIFE OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE REACHING OUT TO INVITE YOU TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT US. THIS YEAR'S ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL TO US BECAUSE THIS IS OUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF BEING IN BEING A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION IN YORK COUNTY. UM, WE'RE ALSO THRILLED TO HAVE RECENTLY MOVED INTO A BEAUTIFUL NEW SPACE AT WASHINGTON SQUARE. SOME OF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE. IT'S WONDERFUL. UH, THIS MOVE ALLOWED US TO EXPAND OUR GALLERY AND CLASSROOM OFFERINGS AND TO CREATE AN EVEN MORE VIBRANT HUB FOR THE ARTISTS AND OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AS I SAID, YORKTOWN ARTS FOUNDATION IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO SUPPORTING ARTISTS, ART, EDUCATION, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR YORK COUNTY. THROUGH OUR GALLERY AND GIVE SHOP PUBLIC EVENTS AND EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING, WE PROVIDE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ARTISTS WHILE OFFERING ACCESSIBLE, ENRICHING EXPERIENCES FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. SO DURING THE YEAR, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE OPERATE ON THE HILL GALLERY, WHICH IS, AS I SAID, WASHINGTON SQUARE. UH, WE SHOWCASE AND SELL ARTWORK FROM LOCAL ARTISTS AND REGIONAL ARTISTS. WE ALSO HOST COMMUNITY EVENTS SUCH AS YORKTOWN ART STROLL, ART RIVER VETERANS ART SHOW, STROLL, VETERANS ART SHOW, SORRY, SEASONAL FESTIVALS, SPECIAL EXHIBITS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE OUR SUMMER CAMP WITH CHILDREN, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FREE. WE PROVIDE ALSO CHILDREN AND ADULT EDUCATION CLASSES, WORKSHOPS, CAMPS, AND DEMONSTRATIONS. WE ALSO DO OUTREACH TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND TO CHILDREN AND PEOPLE AT OUR MARKETS. UM, WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE VITALITY [01:05:01] OF YORKTOWN BY ATTRACTING VISITORS, SUPPORTING AND CREATING SMALL BUSINESSES, AND STRENGTHENING OUR CULTURAL IDENTITY. OUR ORGANIZATION HAS GROWN AND INVOLVED, SO HAVE THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTAINING OUR NEW SPACE, PROVIDING SUPPLIES AND INSTRUCTION, HOSTING PUBLIC EVENTS. WHILE WE ARE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE BUILT, WE CONTINUE TO SUCCESS DEPENDS ON THE SUPPORT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS. OKAY. UH, YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT, UH, IS AN INVESTMENT ACTUALLY IN LOCAL ARTISTS. WHEN WE SAY SMALL CREATIVE BUSINESSES, THOSE ARE OUR ARTISTS WHO HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES SELLING THEIR ART, ART EDUCATION, CHILDREN, ADULTS, COMMUNITY EVENTS. AND IT GIVES US A VIBRANT, WELCOMING CULTURAL DESTINATION. BEFORE I LEFT, MY GRANDDAUGHTER SAID SAY, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DO GREAT STUFF. SO WE, UM, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING YOU AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SUPPORTING US IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. KATHY. YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER IS RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS. I HAVE THOMAS DALEY, ALSO FROM THE ARTS FOUNDATION. EVENING, THOMAS DALEY, ONE 11 THORN, THE ROSE DRIVE. I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE DETAIL TO WHAT KATHY WALL, UH, DISCUSSED ABOUT THE YORKTOWN ARTS FOUNDATION AND A COUPLE OF PROGRAMS. TWO THAT I'M INVOLVED WITH. ONE'S VETERANS ART SHOW. IT'S A SHOW THAT SHOWCASES ARTWORK FROM THOSE THAT ARE SERVING. AND THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED THE JUDGE SHOW. I'VE HELPED SINCE 2021. THE FOUNDATION'S HAD IT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEAR, HELD IT FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, MANY YEARS. WE DO GET RETIRED MILITARY, MANY YEARS. WE GET ACTIVE SERVICE. THEY COME FROM FORT USELESS YORKTOWN, COAST GUARD STATION. AND, UH, NORFOLK NAVAL STATION ENTRANCES HAVE COME FROM AS FAR SOUTH AS VIRGINIA BEACH KIL, MAROCH SUFFOLK, AS FAR NORTH AS WILLIAMSBURG. AGAIN, ACTIVE DUTY OR RETIRED MILITARY. WE WELCOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. SO WE HAVE A PEOPLE'S CHOICE AWARD, AND OVER A HUNDRED HAVE VOTED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. THAT GIVES YOU SOME SENSE OF THE PARTICIPATION OF, OF PEOPLE VIEWING THE SHOW. 2023, WE HAD 28 ARTISTS. EACH ARTIST IS ALLOWED TWO ENTRIES. SO DOUBLE THAT FOR THE NUMBER ON THE WALL. 20 24, 22 ARTISTS. 20 25, 36. SO THINK OF THAT 2023. WE HAD 28 NOW TO 20 25, 36. ESSENTIALLY INCREASED IT BY THAT MUCH. TERRIFIC TO SEE THAT PARTICIPATION. PART OF IT IS THE EFFORT FROM THE FOUNDATION AND GETTING THE WORD OUT. MAKING SURE THIS UNIQUE SHOW IS POPULATED AND VIEWED. LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE WORKED WITH ELIZABETH LAND, THE YORKTOWN LIBRARY BRANCH MANAGER, AND THEY HAVE HOSTED THE SHOW THERE AT, UM, BEEN IN YORK COUNTY FOREVER. I STILL THINK A LIBRARY IS NEW, BUT TERRIFIC VENUE. UH, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE RECEPTION THIS YEAR. WE COUNTED 73 PEOPLE. THEY ARE INTRODUCED TO THE JUDGE. THEY HAVE A SHORT DISCUSSION AND THEN MOVE OUT INTO THE LIBRARY SO THE JUDGE CAN SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND THE AWARDS AND, AND, UH, HOW THEY'RE AWARDED. SO IT IS A TERRIFIC VENUE FOR, UH, OUR VETERANS. THE SECOND EVENT IS THE YORKTOWN PLAIN AIR. IT WAS HELD, THE FIRST ONE WAS HELD THIS YEAR IN MAY. PLAIN AIR IS DESCRIBED AS THE ACT OF PAINTING OUTDOORS, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN A STUDIO EXPERIENCE. SO WHAT ARTISTS DO IS THEY COME AND REGISTER AND, UM, GIVEN, GIVEN AN AREA THEY PAINT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEN THEY MOVE TO HAVE IT. JUDGE. OURS OCCURRED, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH ART OF THE RIVER, WITH A FARMER'S MARKET. IT RAINED THAT DAY. SO THEY MOVED IN INTO THE GARAGE, WHICH WAS, I THOUGHT WAS A CHALLENGE. BUT, UM, THE PARTICIPATION WAS OUTSTANDING. FIRST ONE FOR YORKTOWN. WE HAD 17 REGISTERED ARTISTS. THEY CAME AS FAR AWAY AS RICHMOND. THINK OF THAT. RICHMOND, NORFOLK, WILLIAMSBURG, SUFFOLK, AND EVERY CITY IN BETWEEN. UH, THE THEME FOR YORKTOWN IS JOIN A BRUSH WITH HISTORY, AND THIS YEAR WE'RE HAVING IT AS A STANDALONE WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET ON APRIL 11TH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IF IT WASN'T FOR YOUR SUPPORT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS KIND OF FLEXIBILITY. PLEASE CONTINUE WITH THE FOUNDATION IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU THOMAS AND DON THERESE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR [01:10:01] THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM A, UM, YORKTOWN RESIDENT AT 1 2 6 VIRGINIA LANE, AND I'M PART OF YORKTOWN ARTS FOUNDATION. UM, I WANTED TO COME HERE JUST TO SHARE BRIEFLY. I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE FOUNDATION FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UM, ACTING AS THE CHILDREN'S EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND I WANNA TELL YOU HOW IMPACTFUL THE AMOUNT OF, UM, SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVE FROM YOU, HOW IT IMPACTS OUR CHILDREN, OUR FAMILIES, AND OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AS SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY SAID, WE MOVED THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS A BIG FEAT FOR US. UM, WE WERE HERE IN THIS AREA FOR OVER 12 YEARS. PEOPLE KNEW WHERE WE WERE. THEY KNEW THE WALK PATH. THEY KNEW THAT WE'D BE HERE EVERY SUMMER. NOW WE ARE IN A NEW LOCATION. AND IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, BUT WE HAD A WONDERFUL TURNOUT. AND THAT TURNOUT, I HOPE, WILL ONLY GROW. WE OFFER CHILDREN'S CLASSES. UM, I OFFER TWO CLASSES A DAY FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER, UM, FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, EXCUSE ME. UM, WE HAVE VARIOUS AND ASSORTED INSTRUCTORS THAT COME FAR AND WIDE TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN ALL KINDS OF THINGS FROM BASKET WEAVING TO PAINTING TO ACRYLICS, UM, TO MOSAICS, TO NEEDLE FELTING, TO WEAVING, YOU NAME IT. CHILDREN GET AN EDUCATION, THEY GET ENRICHMENT. THEY GET OPPORTUNITY TO GROW IN SKILLS AND IN COMMUNITY. I'VE SEEN HOW THIS IS VERY BENEFICIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR THE FAMILIES THAT WE SERVE. A LOT OF FAMILIES DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN. AND THE SUPPORT THAT YOU OFFER US ALLOWS FAMILIES TO COME AND BE ENRICHED. PARENTS ARE IMPACTED BY IT. THEY'RE IMPACTED BY THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE DOING IN THE CLASSES, AND THE CHILDREN ARE GENEROUSLY IMPACTED BY IT. AND WE AS INSTRUCTORS AND JUST AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FACULTY MEMBERS OF THE GALLERY ARE EXTREMELY IMPACTED BY OUR GALLERY AND JUST ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT US. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SUMMER CAMP IN JULY, UM, WHICH WILL BE FOR THE WHOLE MONTH FOR THE CHILDREN. AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE FULL. I HAD OVER 280 CHILDREN STEP THROUGH LAST JULY. I'VE HAD OVER A THOUSAND CHILDREN THE YEAR BEFORE, STEP THROUGH OUR DOORS TO BE IMPACTED BY THESE PROGRAMS THAT WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE AVAILABLE TO US. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I ASK, UM, THAT YOU WOULD JUST EXTEND YOUR GRACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DON. THAT IS ALL THE, UH, CITIZENS I HAVE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN PERIOD. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SHIRLEY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. WELL, I, I PUT IN A, UH, APPLICATION SO SHE HAS IT. YOU'VE GOT IT. I HAVE NOTHING BUT ACCOLADES FOR ALL OF YOU. I LOVE EVERY ONE OF YOU. Y'ALL ARE DOING A MIGHTY FINE JOB AND ALL THE THINGS. LOOK AT YORKTOWN. IT IS ABSOLUTELY MAGNIFICENT. AND I'M NOT KIDDING. I'VE BEEN A PART OF THE ON THE HILL, UM, GROUP SINCE MARIAN BOW CREATED IT. NOW, THAT'S 50 YEARS WORTH. AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS WONDERFUL DIRECTOR, UH, KATHY WALLS HAS DONE NOTHING BUT EXPANDED. IT USED EVERY POSSIBLE PERSON SHE COULD TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BETTER. SHE IS REALLY OUT THERE SINGING YOUR SONG. SHE'S OUT THERE WITH THE CHILDREN. I'VE EVEN WORKED WITH THE CHILDREN. I AM AN ARTIST. YOU KNOW THAT 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE OF MY PAINTINGS HANGING, HANGING IN YOUR, AND, UH, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, THAT IS THE GIFT THAT THIS SPECIAL PLACE GIVES TO ALL OF YOU. YOU ARE READY FOR 250TH BIRTHDAY. LOOK AT ALL THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS TOWN. I WAS HERE IN 1981 FOR THE 200TH, AND I PLEASANTLY, UM, REC, UM, RECOGNIZED RONALD REAGAN AND, AND ALL THAT WE HAD TO DO FOR THE 200TH. I WAS A CHAIRMAN AT THAT TIME. I LOVE YOU. I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU DO. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WRONG. I'M SORRY I'M NOT GONNA FUSS AT YOU. I'M GONNA PRAISE YOU TO THE SKIES AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SHIRLEY. ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. NAME [01:15:01] AND ADDRESS. I AM DIANE HARTLEY. I WORK AT PENINSULA AGENCY ON AGING. OUR, WE HAVE TWO OFFICES, WILLIAMSBURG AND NEWPORT NEWS. THE NEWPORT NEWS ADDRESS IS 7 3 9 THIMBLE SHOAL BOULEVARD. UH, NEWPORT NEWS 2 3 6 0 6. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO COME AND SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT THAT THE COUNTY HAS OFFERED TO PA AND FOR THEN TO JUST SAY, WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE OF THE LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE COUNTY. SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES TELLING YOU, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, BUT JUST SAYING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PAA AND SOME OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH YORK COUNTY. SO, PAA PENINSULA AGENCY AND AGING IS A 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFIT. WE'VE BEEN OFFERING SERVICES AND SUPPORTS TO OLDER ADULTS AND CAREGIVERS OF ANY AGE FOR OVER 50 YEARS. SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, INCLUDE PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION FOR NON, NON, NON-EMERGENCY MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS. WE PARTNER WITH THE YORK SENIOR CENTER TO OFFER ANY NUMBER OF HEALTH PROMOTION PROGRAMS, WHICH HELP PEOPLE BETTER MANAGE THEIR DIABETES, PREVENT FALLS, TAI CHI TO ADDRESS ARTHRITIS. WE ALSO DO A DINING CLUB WITH THE YORK SENIOR CENTER, WHICH PROVIDES SOCIALIZATION AS WELL AS A HOT MEAL. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH YORK MEALS ON WHEELS FOR OVER 40 YEARS TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MEALS ON WHEELS CLIENTS IN YOUR COUNTY WHO MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR OUR FUNDING, WHICH HAS TO MEET FEDERAL STANDARDS. SO IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, HOME BOUND AND A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO. AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS IS OUR VETERANS DIRECTIVE CARE PROGRAM. SO THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT WE DO IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, UH, VA HOSPITALS, MCGUIRE AND HAMPTON, WHERE VETERANS OF ANY AGE WHO NEED NURSING HOME LEVEL CARE, BUT CHOOSE TO STAY AT HOME ARE GIVEN A BUDGET SO THAT THEY CAN HIRE FAMILY MEMBERS OR HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME AND PROVIDE IN-HOME CARE SO THAT THEY CAN STAY AT HOME AND CONTINUE TO THRIVE THERE. AND AGAIN, JUST WANNA FINISH BY SAYING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD. I WOULD NORMALLY MOVE ON TO THE, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND, UH, BOARD REPORTS. I'LL MOVE THOSE TO THE END OF THE MEETING. UH, DOES ANYONE REQUIRE A RECESS? WE WILL SKIP THE RECESS GIVEN THAT WE HAD ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS [4. Proposed Fiscal Year 2027 Budget Public Forum. Receive public comments on the development of the proposed FY2027 Budget] MEETING. AND I'LL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO, MR. BELLAMY, I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP FIRST FOR PUBLIC FORUM FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET. UH, I AM GOING TO PASS, UH, THE PROVERBIAL BUT TO MR. GILLETTE, OUR BUDGET CHIEF, WHO WILL COME UP AND GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON THIS AS, UH, MR. SHEPHERD ALSO CALLS HIM THE, THE MATH GUY . ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BELLAMY. THIS AGAIN, MY NAME IS GREG GILLETTE. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC FORUM, AS HE SAID, I WILL BE GIVING A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET. I'LL START OFF BY TALKING ABOUT OUR BUDGET PROCESS. UH, AS ALWAYS, THE BOARD PROVIDES US WITH OUR STRATEGIC GUIDANCE. UM, THE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES SUBMIT THEIR REQUEST TO US, UH, TYPICALLY IN NOVEMBER. AND THEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BUDGET STAFF AND BUDGET COMMITTEE CONDUCT REVIEW MEETINGS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS DURING JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO COMMENCE, RIGHT AS WE SPEAK. REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE PROJECTIONS GET RECONCILED LATER IN THE PROCESS. AND THEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE PROPOSED BUDGET IN MARCH. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE BOARD REVIEW AND ADOPT IN MAY. SO, LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR REVENUE OUTLOOK, UH, AS YOU HEARD FROM MS. GOODWIN EARLIER, UH, WE'RE EXPECTING MODEST TO LITTLE GROWTH IN CONSUMER TAXES. AGAIN, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OF HISTORY ON THAT AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT'S BEING NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. SO WE'RE GONNA FIRM THAT UP AS WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG IN THIS PROCESS. UM, THERE IS ALSO IN THE PROPOSED GOVERNOR'S BUDGET, SOME SLIGHT INCREASES TO STATE REVENUE. AND WITH, UH, 2026 BEING A REASSESSMENT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE A FULL YEAR OF REASSESSMENT GROWTH CAPTURED IN THIS BUDGET. SO LOOKING AT OUR EXPENSES, [01:20:01] UM, IF WE LOOK AT THESE BY FUNCTION, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND OUR SCHOOL CONTRIBUTIONS MAKE UP 67% OF OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES. THOSE ARE OUR TWO LARGEST, UH, EXPENDITURES BY FUNCTION. AND LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, UH, BY TYPE, UH, PERSONNEL SERVICES ARE 39% AND OUR TRANSFER TO THE SCHOOL DIVISION 37%. SO THOSE TWO MAKE UP 76% OF OUR BUDGET. SO AS WE DEVELOP THE BUDGET, WE KEEP THESE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MEET ALL OF OUR LEGAL AND CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON INVESTING IN OUR EMPLOYEES. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE ALSO WANT TO INVEST IN SCHOOL AND COUNTY CAPITAL NEEDS ON AN ONGOING BASIS. SO, UPCOMING DATES THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE MARCH 3RD AND APRIL 7TH. REGULARLY SCHEDULED BOARD SESSIONS, UH, WORK SESSIONS. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THERE. UH, MARCH 17TH IS WHEN WE WILL PROPOSE THE BUDGET TO THE BOARD. AND THEN BETWEEN MARCH 19TH AND APRIL 16TH, WE'VE SCHEDULED, UH, A SLEW OF ADDITIONAL WORK SESSIONS THAT WILL FOCUS ON THE BUDGET, UH, JUST LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR. UH, WE ALSO, AS WE DID LAST YEAR, HAVE ON MARCH 31ST AND APRIL 2ND SCHEDULED TOWN HALL MEETINGS. AND THESE WILL BE WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN ENGAGE WITH THE BOARD ON TOPICS MOSTLY PERTAINING TO THE BUDGET. WE'LL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE BUDGET AND TAX RATES ON APRIL 21ST. AND THEN OUR SCHEDULED ADOPTION IS AT THE MAY 5TH MEETING. SO LAST, IF CITIZENS WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE BUDGET, THEY CAN FIND OUT INFORMATION AT OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS LISTED ON THE SLIDE, LIKE AN EMAIL OR CALL INTO COUNTY ADMIN. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, SHORT VIDEOS THAT ARE POSTED ONLINE THAT CAN ALSO BE VIEWED ON TV. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. PRETTY STANDARD. OKAY, MARK, I WOULD ASK ONE FOLLOW UP. THE, UM, GENTLEMAN WHO TALKED ABOUT THE VA CODE 58.13 TRIPLE SIX, UH, THE SHORE EROSION. YES. IF WE, IF WE COULD HAVE THAT ALSO INCLUDED IN, UH, FUTURE, UH, REVIEW. I THINK IT'S ANOTHER UNFUNDED MANDATE, BUT I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT. CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. EXCUSE ME. THREE. SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC, UH, FORUM AND CALL ON THOSE SPEAKERS. SO AMBER MARTINS NAME AND ADDRESS, THREE MINUTES. UM, GOOD EVENING. I'M AMBER MARTINS. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF INNOVATION AND ENGAGEMENT AT LACKEY CLINIC. WE ARE LOCATED AT 1620 OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BELLAMY, AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF LACKY CLINIC OVER THE YEARS. UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR FUNDING HAS DONE, UM, FOR THE CITIZENS HERE IN YORK COUNTY. UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 25, LACKEY CLINIC PROVIDED FREE HEALTHCARE TO OVER 320 YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS. THAT'S A 27% INCREASE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE WITH A VALUE OF OVER $1.4 MILLION IN HEALTHCARE SERVICES. WE'RE ESTIMATING IN FISCAL YEAR 27 THAT WE'RE GOING TO SERVE OVER 400 CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY WITH A 1.9 MILLION, UM, ESTIMATE OF VALUE IN HEALTHCARE SERVICES. LACKEY CLINIC IS A FAITH-BASED NONPROFIT HEALTHCARE CENTER THAT PROVIDES FREE HEALTHCARE AND DENTAL SERVICES TO UNINSURED ADULTS. UM, ACROSS THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, WE PROVIDE NOT ONLY, UM, PRIMARY AND SPECIALTY MEDICAL CARE, DENTAL EYECARE, UM, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, CHRONIC CARE MANAGEMENT, AND WE ALSO HAVE AN IN-HOUSE PHARMACY, WHICH PROVIDES OVER $9 MILLION WORTH OF FREE AND LOW COST MEDICATIONS TO OUR PATIENTS. EACH YEAR. OUR PATIENTS ARE THE WORKING CLASS, SO THEY'RE USUALLY EARNING BETWEEN 12 TO $25 AN HOUR. THEY EARN JUST TOO MUCH TO QUALIFY FOR VIRGINIA MEDICAID, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO AFFORD COMPREHENSIVE HEALTHCARE. SO THEY COME TO US. ALSO, OUR PATIENTS ARE RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY. THEY'RE YOUR RETAIL CLERKS, THEY'RE YOUR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, YOUR CERTIFIED NURSE ASSISTANTS. THEY WORK AT YOUR FAVORITE RESTAURANT AND THEY'RE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. [01:25:01] SO BY HELPING TO FUND US, YOU'RE HELPING TO FUND THE ECONOMY HERE IN YORK COUNTY AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE JUGGLING MULTIPLE JOBS, FAMILIES, HEALTH CONCERNS, AND LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK. THEY OFTEN FACE MULTIPLE SOCIAL DETERMINANT OF HEALTH ISSUES, SUCH AS LACK OF CHILDCARE, RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION, AND INABILITY TO TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK. SO THEY NEED HEALTHCARE OPTIONS THAT PROVIDE 'EM THE FLEXIBILITY TO ACCEPT ACCESS THAT HEALTHCARE AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN MULTIPLE WAYS WITH YOUR FUNDING. IN 2025, LACKY CLINIC DEVELOPED AND VALIDATED A HYBRID CARE MODEL, WHICH OFFERS AN INEXPENSIVE, SCALABLE, AND REPLICABLE SOLUTION TO THESE CHALLENGES. SO THIS MODEL INTEGRATES BOTH IN-PERSON CARE, WHICH EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH, ALONG WITH TELEHEALTH, VIRTUAL CARE, DIGITAL CARE, AND VIRTUAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK SO THAT OUR PATIENTS GET ACCESS TO CARE HOW THEY NEED IT AND WHERE THEY NEED IT. THAT VIRTUAL CARE SYSTEM NOW ALLOWS THEM TO ACCESS, UM, CARE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS FROM THE COMFORT OF THEIR HOME, FROM THEIR OFFICE, WITHOUT HAVING TO RELY ON LIKE YOUR LOCAL EMS WITHOUT BURDENING THE LOCAL ERS. AND THESE PATIENTS ARE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO THAT CARE NOW REGULARLY. SO I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR CONTINUING TO FUND US, FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT US AND THE PATIENTS HERE IN NEW YORK COUNTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS MARK WILLIAMS AND HE'S LEFT. THAT WAS ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAD SIGNED UP. UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC FORUM. GO BACK. HEY, YOU GOT ONE IN THE PACK. UH, THIS SAYS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU HAD TO BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. WE LET EVERYBODY SPEAK ONCE THEY SPEAK. WE LET, WE'LL LET YOU SPEAK. PLEASE COME FORWARD. I APOLOGIZE. I WOULD'VE SIGNED UP. BUT ANYWAY, UH, PAM, PUSH SHOW 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP THOSE THAT ARE IN TRUE NEED. I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GONNA REQUEST SOMETHING I'VE REQUESTED BEFORE AND IT'S NEVER HAPPENED, BUT WE PAY IN SEWER AND TRASH. IN FACT, I GOT MY BILL TODAY. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT AS A TAX, A FLAT TAX, NOT BASED ON INCOME OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOUR REAL ESTATE OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST A TAX FOR SEWER AND TRASH BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN DEDUCT IT ON OUR INCOME TAX. IT WOULD BE NICE. UM, ALSO THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CON I HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AT THIS POINT, BUT HAVE TALKED ABOUT RESCINDING THE CAR TAX AND HOW THAT WILL AFFECT US. SO YOU MAY ALSO WANNA CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PAM. ANYONE ELSE CHOOSING TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE I CLOSE PUBLIC FORUM. WE NOW WILL MOVE ON [5. Application Nos. ZM-214-25 and UP-1062-25, Redstone Properties LLC (Sheetz). Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance 26-1 to rezone 1.82 acres, taken collectively from four adjacent parcels totaling 3.88 acres at 7900, 7908, 7914, and 7920 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17), from GB (General Business) to Conditional GB with proffers, and proposed Resolution R26-5 to authorize the construction of an automobile fuel dispensing establishment and convenience store at those same addresses.] TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST APPLICATION IS FROM REDSTONE PROPERTIES, AKA SHEETS TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, UH, FOR REZONING AND A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE CONSTRUCTION OF A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUEL DISPENSING AT THE SAME COMBINED ADDRESSES. I'LL CALL ON MADISON SC FROM PLANNING DIVISION. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MR. VICE CHAIR, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY, MR. HILL. I HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GREAT START TO 2026. UM, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT YORK COUNTY ACHIEVES THIS YEAR. UM, SO THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY REDSTONE PROPERTIES LLC IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP BY RECLASSIFYING A TOTAL OF 1.82 ACRES, COLLECTIVELY TAKEN FROM EACH OF FOUR EXISTING ADJACENT PARCELS, TOTALING 3.88 ACRES FROM GENERAL BUSINESS TO CONDITIONAL GENERAL BUSINESS WITH PROFFERS AND TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BOTH FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AN AUTOMOBILE FUEL DISPENSING ESTABLISHMENT IN CONVENIENCE STORE AT 7 9 0 0 7 9 0 8 7 9 1 4 AND 7 9 2 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 17 BETWEEN MARINER WAY AND A DRIVEWAY TO 7 8 3 0 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. THE PORTION OF THE SITE RELEVANT FOR THE APPLICATIONS IS ON A 1.82 ACRE PORTION OF THE FOUR PARCELS, WITH ONE CONTAINING A VACANT NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THE REST BEING UNDEVELOPED. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 AND THE FORT YUS BOULEVARD EXTENSION AND IS ZONED BOTH GENERAL BUSINESS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE SUBJECT SITE IS ADJACENT [01:30:01] TO THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LOCATED NORTHEAST, EAST AND SOUTH. THE BACK PORTIONS OF THE PARCELS ARE A PART OF AN AMENDMENT FROM THE JANUARY, 2024, UH, TO THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ESTABLISHED APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES COLLECTIVELY FROM GB TO PDMU IN ANTICIPATION OF BUILDING AN APPROXIMATELY 55,000 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIX GROCERY STORE. NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AN ARBY'S AND NO WENDY'S. BOTH ZONE GB AND SOUTHWEST ACROSS ROUTE 17 ARE THREE PARCELS. ALL ZONE GB WITH ONE CONTAINING A VACANT, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND LASTLY, DIRECTLY WEST ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS YORKTOWN ARCH APARTMENTS ZONED PD. MADISON, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND. OF COURSE. WHERE ARE THE NEW TOWNHOUSES ON THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT? UH, GONNA BE LOCATED? YE YES. UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE OVER HERE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. UM, AND I'M GONNA HAVE A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE IT WASN'T UP AGAINST THE CURRENT PROPERTY. YEAH, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION FOR A SHEETS CONVENIENCE STORE WITH SELF-SERVE FUELING STATIONS AND TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN 50 GALLONS OF FUEL STORAGE WITHIN THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION OVERLY DISTRICT BY PROPOSING PROFFERS. THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS A 6,132 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND AREA SHOWING THE EIGHT FILLING STATIONS WITH A TOTAL OF 16 GAS PUMPS AND AN AREA SHOWING THE UNDERGROUND FUEL STORAGE TANK. NOW I'M GONNA MOVE INTO STAFF'S ANALYSIS. THE YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR AS A LOWER COUNTY'S PRIMARY COMMERCIAL AND TRANSPORTATION AREA. REGARDING LAND USE. GENERAL BUSINESS IS THE PREDOMINANT ZONING DESIGNATION OF PROPERTY AROUND THE ROUTE, UH, 17 CORRIDOR, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. BASED ON THIS GUIDANCE, THE SHEET'S PROPOSAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES THE CHARACTER OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE OVERALL TARGETED USE OF THE AREA. THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE SHEETS IS WITHIN THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTIVE, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND PARTIALLY WITHIN THE 200 FOOT AND FULLY WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BUFFER STRIPS. ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 7 6 E OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THIS STATES THAT FUEL STORAGE AND EXCESS OF 50 GALLONS SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE BUFFER STRIPS, THEREFORE NOT ALLOWING FUEL DISPENSING ESTABLISHMENTS AS THEY NORMALLY STORE ABOVE 50 GALLONS. SO TO MITIGATE THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO AMEND THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AND TO PROFFER ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND WATERSHED PROTECTION PRACTICES, THE PROFFERS WILL REMOVE THE PROHIBITION OF FUEL STORAGE IN THE WMP OVERLAY FOR THIS PROPERTY. AND BASED OFF OF THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED, THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THAT THE PROFFER DESIGN ELEMENTS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR. ALSO, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS REVIEWED THE SUBMITTED PLANS AND PROFFERS AND PROVIDED THE COUNTY WITH WRITTEN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. AS FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, THE PER PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 6 7 4 7 5 AND 4 7 7 FOR CONVENIENCE STORES, EXCUSE ME, AND GAS STATIONS, UH, PARKING STANDARDS FOR CONVENIENCE STORES REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND ONE OFF STREET, UH, LOADING SPACE. THE MOST RECENTLY SUBMITTED CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS A TOTAL OF 48 PARKING SPACES AND ONE LOADING SPACE MEETING THIS REQUIREMENT AND THE MOST RECENTLY SUBMITTED RENDERINGS AS OF JANUARY 15TH, I INCLUDED, UM, TWO NEW RENDERINGS FOR THE CANOPY AND MONUMENT SIGN ON THE DAYS FOR YOU ALL. UM, MEET THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT ARCHITECTURAL AND SIGNAGE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 7 8. AND HERE ARE THOSE SNAPSHOTS OF THE UPDATED RENDERINGS. SO MOVING INTO THE TR UH, TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS DURING THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT REZONING APPLICATION IN 2024, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED AND SUBMITTED AND THE AMENDED PLAN IS CURRENTLY IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. AS PART OF THE REZONING AND SPECIAL USE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. UM, AN ACCESS CHANGE ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED SHEETS. THE SUBJECT SITE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING THE ACCESS REVISION FROM PARTIAL ACCESS TO A FULL MOVEMENT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION ALONG ROUTE 17. THE TIA MEMORANDUM SUBMITTED TO SUPPORT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION REQUEST ALSO SERVES AS A SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION JUSTIFICATION REPORT. AND VDOT HAS, UH, REVIEWED THE LATEST ANALYSIS OF THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT AND [01:35:01] HAS NOT APPROVED, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO DATE HAS NOT APPROVED, HAS NOT APPROVED YET. THAT'S CORRECT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE VDOT LETTER, UM, RECEIVED ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2025 RELATING TO THIS PROPOSAL, UM, PROVIDES SOME ALTERNATIVES AND ALSO ADDRESSES SOME MULTIPLE ISSUES SEEN THROUGHOUT THE SUBMITTED STUDY. SO A BIG THING HERE, UH, IS THAT VDOT PREFERS TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS GREEN TEE OVER CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL AS IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO FULLY STOP. UH, AND IT STILL ALLOWS VEHICLES TO MAKE PROTECTED MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. VIDA HAS ALSO PROPOSED OR RECOMMENDED UP, PLEASE. OH YEAH, OF COURSE. ALRIGHT, LET SHOW US, SHOW US. OKAY. NAVIGATING A CONTINUOUS GREEN TEA. ALRIGHT. JUST KIND OF TAKE PEOPLE TELL US 'CAUSE THERE'S THREE OF 'EM YOU'RE GONNA SHOW HERE. SO I'M WANT TO SEE DESCRIBE THIS. GOTCHA. I'LL TRY MY BEST. I WILL SAY VDOT IS A BIT MORE OF AN EXPERT THAN I AM. UM, BUT, UH, I'LL TRY TO SHOW, UM, SOME HERE. SEE, SO PICTURE THAT THE SHEETS IS RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE. NOPE. CAN YOU SEE IT, MR. SHEPHERD? OKAY, GOT IT. RIGHT. YEAH. SO IN THIS RIGHT HAND CORNER, UM, THE SHEETS WOULD BE THERE. UM, SO IF YOU GO OUTTA SHEETS HERE, TAKE A RIGHT, GO THAT WAY. AND THEN A PROTECTED MOVEMENT GOING LEFT ONTO ROUTE 17 WOULD BE HERE. PROTECTED, MEANING IT'S GOT A LIGHT, DEDICATED LIGHT FOR WHAT? THERE'S NO LIGHT. UM, IT'S PROTECTED LIKE THROUGH THE MEDIAN, UM, AND THROUGH THE STOPS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LEFT HAND TURN LANE ACTS LIKE AN ACCELERATION LANE. YEAH, IT'S A TURNING LANE. ACCELERATION. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL PERCEIVED THROUGH THE LIGHT TO MAKE LEFT HAND TURN MM-HMM . BUT ONCE YOU START MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, YOU GOT AN ACCELERATION LANE. SO THAT WAY SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC DOESN'T STOP FOR THE LIGHT, BUT IT'S A LIGHT. THAT'S THE POINT IS IT'S GOT A LIGHT THERE THAT'S PROTECTING IT SO YOU DON'T GET RUN OVER WHEN YOU PULL OUT. SO THAT WAY YOU, WHEN YOU CROSS THE FRONT OF THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC, YOU DON'T GET RUN OVER. YES. THERE'S NO LIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'S ONLY FOR THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD. OKAY. I SEEN SOME SIMILAR THIS UP ON 95, UH, HEADING TOWARDS DC ALRIGHT, GOOD ON THE CONTINUOUS GREEN TEE. YOU'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. UH, ANOTHER PROPOSAL IS, UM, CALLED A RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN THAT VDOT PUT IN THE LETTER. UM, THIS WOULD U-TURN THE RELOCATED WESTBOUND LEFT TURNS FROM THE SITE AT A LOCATION BETWEEN ROUTE 17, DRIVEWAY ONE, UM, AND THE FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD. UM, I WILL SAY AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE DID SAY THAT VDO T'S PROPOSAL OF THE CONTINUOUS GREEN TEA WAS THE MORE PREFERRED OPTION, UM, AND THAT THEY'RE OPENING TO TALKING WITH VDOT, UH, WITH THAT PROPOSAL. ALRIGHT. AND VDOT ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERNS AROUND THE FOUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING MEDIAN CROSSOVER AND WOULD PREFER TO HAVE REASSURANCES ON WHETHER THOSE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE RELOCATION. OTHER COMMENTS ADDRESS THE METHODOLOGY AND DATA USED THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AND ASK FOR CLARIFICATION AND CORRECTIONS. I ALSO WANNA PROVIDE REAL QUICK SOME FURTHER CONTEXT, UM, RELATING TO JUST THE TRAFFIC OF THE OVERALL YORKTOWN CRESCENT, UM, DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO SPECIFICALLY SHEETS IS NOT A PART OF THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT IT IS STILL OWNED BY THE SAME DEVELOPERS. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S CONNECTED, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT REGARDING TRAFFIC. UM, THE SUBMITTED TIA FOR SHEETS, UM, WAS ALSO SUBMITTED WITH THE PUBLIC SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WHICH WAS FORMALLY SUBMITTED IN THIS PAST APRIL. UM, AND THIS IS WHEN VDO S STARTED THEIR REVIEW OF THE SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT. AND SO THE SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT NEEDS TO BE FULLY APPROVED BEFORE EVEN THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION CAN EVEN BE CONSIDERED. AND THERE'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY THAT THE A ME WON'T BE APPROVED. UM, THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEED. SO THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE STAGES HERE FOR THE TRA TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. UM, LET'S SEE. AND PER VDO T'S COMMENTS FOR THE SHEETS REZONING AND SEP APPLICATIONS, THE ACCESS OF MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION FOR FULL ACCESS. OH, I JUST SAID THAT. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. . UM, SO NO UPDATES. UM, AS OF NOW SINCE THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, I'M SURE THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, WE HAVE TRIED REACHING OUT TO VDOT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE TO HEAR ANY UPDATES FROM THEM, BUT WE HAVE HAD A HARD TIME REACHING THEM. SO, UM, THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS, UH, FOR APPROVING THE SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT. AND TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, THIS IS THE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR THE PUBLIX. UM, THERE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS WHERE THE SHEETS WILL GO. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR ME TO SAY, SAY THAT AGAIN. YEAH, SO THIS IS THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN FOR THE PUBLIX THAT IS A PART OF THE YORKTOWN [01:40:01] CRESCENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. POINT OUT WHERE EVERYTHING IS HERE. YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, SO OH, OH, YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT GOES BEHIND WHERE THE SHEETS PROPOSED TO GO? YEAH, SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS ROUTE 17 OVER HERE. YELLOW WAY SHEETS. OKAY. OKAY. I HAD IT BACK. I HAD IT BACKWARDS. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN THIS IS THE SHEETS AND THEN THAT'S THAT DRIVEWAY. UM, AND THEN THIS IS THE PUBLIXS BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED AND THEN THE PARKING LOT, UM, THIS IS MARINER'S WAY RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THE PUBLIXS, UM, SITE PLAN. AND SO THIS SITE PLAN IS FOLLOWING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PROPOSAL FROM THE REZONING APPLICATION IN 2024 THAT GOT APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. AND HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE OVERALL YORKTOWN CRESCENT PROPOSAL. THAT WAS WITH THAT 2024 REZONING. UM, HERE IS WHERE THE PUBLIX IS, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THAT OUT PARCEL WHERE THE SHEETS IS BEING PROPOSED. AND NUMBER FIVE ISN'T THAT TOWNHOUSES DOWN IN THE BOTTOM NEXT TO SHEETS APARTMENTS RIGHT HERE. SO THAT GETS US INTO WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS? WHAT IS THE BUFFERS? UM, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT. UM, IS THAT, ARE WE ASKING ABOUT HOW THE APARTMENTS ARE GONNA BE INCORPORATED WITH THE YORKTOWN C LIKE HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S FOLLOWING, UH, THE OVERALL CONCEPTUAL PLAN FROM THE REZONING? I'M ASKING IF THERE NEEDS TO BE BUFFERS ON THAT SIDE, ON THE SHEET'S PROPERTY. SEE, UH, NEXT TO HOUSING? YES. YEAH, 50 FOOT BUFFER DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE IT. I KNOW THAT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOLLOWED. USUALLY IN THE SITE PLAN, THAT IS WHERE THE DETAILS GO AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SHOW THOSE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW PER THE CODE. I THINK WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE OF COURSE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OVERALL? I DID HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL TURN TO MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. SHEILA. WELL, I'M, I'M STILL LOOKING AT IT AND I DUNNO WHY WE HAVE IT AND VDOT HASN'T APPROVED THE, THE PLANS. YES. UM, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. HOW CAN WE VOTE IT ON SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T APPROVED? YEAH. UM, SO USUALLY WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR REZONING APPLICATIONS, WE ONLY REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND USUALLY IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, ONCE THEY DO A FORMAL SITE PLAN, UM, SUBMITTAL, THAT'S WHEN VDOT IS GOING TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY VDOT. A LOT OF THE TIMES I KNOW APPLICANTS LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THE USE, UM, PER KNOWING THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE GIVE YOU ALL IN WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND THEN IN THAT SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PROCESS IS WHEN ALL THE, THE SMALL DETAILS AND ALL OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT VDOT AND ALSO US AS A COUNTY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND MAKE SURE THAT'S FOLLOWED EVEN BEFORE IT'S BUILT OR ANYTHING, UM, IS DONE WITH THE PROPOSAL. SO WHAT DO THEY TELL US? WHAT, WHAT DOES VDOT TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT? I KNOW THAT VDOT HAS SUBMITTED MULTIPLE COMMENTS FOR THE SITE PLAN ON, ON PUBLIX. UM, I'M SURE THAT POSSIBLY THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ME FROM THAT, THAT SIDE OF THINGS. WELL, NOT PUBLIX, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT SHEETS. I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A KIND OF A BIG PIECE THAT'S GONNA BE WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT AND ANOTHER BIG MAJOR TRAFFIC LIGHT JUST NEAR IT OVER A THOUSAND FEET AWAY, I THINK. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, HAVE WE GOT NOTHING ABOUT WHAT'S THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF, UH, SHEETS ITSELF? HAVE WE GOT ANYTHING FROM VDOT? YEAH, SO THE, THE COMMENT LETTER, UM, FROM OCTOBER, THE NEAR THE ENDING OF OCTOBER IS WHERE VDOT VOICES SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS MM-HMM . BECAUSE THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN VOICE CONCERNS AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF US, WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO FIX THINGS. MY VOICE IS ABOUT TO GO HERE, VOICE IS GOING. YEAH. ONE OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE, THE PREFERENCE WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNAL THERE. UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE, UM, DISTANCE THAT VDOT NORMALLY LIKES TO HAVE BETWEEN TWO SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS. UM, SO I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER 800 FEET. UH, VDOT LIKES TO HAVE IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OVER 2,600 FEET BETWEEN TWO. AND HERE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER A THOUSAND FEET IN BETWEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD OVER THE YEARS. NORMALLY IT CAN GO AS LOW AS 800 FEET, BUT UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE SPEED'S. IT DEPENDS ON THE SPEED LIMIT. WELL IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF THINGS. THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE, UM, FROM VDOT IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A, A TERMINATION [01:45:01] ON THE SIGNALS SIGNALIZATION OF THAT, THAT SECTION OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO BE GONNA PUT IN THERE. UM, ALRIGHT. WAYNE COMMENTS? YEAH. UM, SO SOME OF IT, I'M, I'M A LITTLE, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE TAKEN BACK, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE USE. I THINK IT'S THE USE IS OKAY. UH, AND I THINK WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING GOOD BUSINESS TO YORK COUNTY. I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT I'M SEEING, UH, I LOOK AT THIS FOR THE VIEWERS, THIS IS WHAT WAS SENT TO US TO LOOK AT. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. I, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SUMMARIZED REPORT THAT GIVES US THE BULLET POINTS AND GO THROUGH IT. NOW I DID GO THROUGH IT, BUT I REALLY DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. SO WHOEVER'S PRESENTING THAT FROM THE COMPANY OR THE ENGINEERING STAFF OR WHATEVER, WE DON'T NEED THIS. IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME. WE NEED THE BULLET POINTS. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT SAYS AND WHAT DOESN'T SAY. THE OTHER THING, UH, I THINK WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE'S A LOT OF VDOT ISSUES HERE. I'M LOOKING BACK, UM, AT THE VDOT UH, RESPONSE LETTER AND THERE'S, UM, 19 BULLET POINTS. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING'S WRONG. THAT'S IN E INCORRECT. IT WAS A MISCALCULATION. AND SO TO ME THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HERE THAT I THINK BDOT NEEDS TO DO. I THINK THIS IS FAR BEYOND WHAT WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW. I THINK RIGHT NOW I THINK THE, THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP WITH VDOT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE I'M WILLING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT PART HAS TO HAVE CLARITY FOR ME. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT THAT INTERSECTION'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A, A WELL DRIVEN TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE IF WE DON'T DO THIS RIGHT. AND I, I TRUST THAT VDO T'S GONNA DO THAT. BUT TO THE DEVELOPERS, I THINK THEY NEED TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE WE GET TO VOTE ON THIS. I, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE VOTING ON THIS WITH, WITH NO ASSURANCE THAT VDO T'S GONNA BE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND THEY KICK IT BACK AND THEN WE, WE WASTED A LOT OF TIME. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. SO A FEW THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HIT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION YET, BUT, UM, CAN YOU SPEAK BRIEFLY ON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND FUELING STATIONS? UM, SO AUDIENCE AND OUR, THE BOARD CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UM, FOR KIND OF JUST AN OVERALL VIEW FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORES AND FUEL STATIONS, UM, I KNOW A BIG PART OF IT IS IF THE USE IS NO LONGER GOING TO HAPPEN, THERE'S KIND OF DEMOLITION, UM, STANDARD PUT IN THERE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S SETBACKS, UM, THINGS TO DO WITH LIKE LIGHTING OR HOW THE USE FUNCTIONS. UM, IF YOU WANT, I CAN ALSO PROVIDE, UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FIRST PART. SO IF IT CEASES TO OPERATE AS A FUELING STATION FOR NINE MONTHS, I THINK, UM, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE RETURNED BACK TO A BARE LOT. WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATIONS? UM, I CANNOT REMEMBER OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I READ THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE IN SUPER DETAIL AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT MEMORIZED FOR YOU TONIGHT. UM, BUT THE TANKS HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND THE CANOPY HAS TO BE REMOVED. SO IT HAS TO BE SHOVEL READY. IT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. WELL, IT HAS TO BE SHOVEL READY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND, AND, BUT DOES THAT, WAS IT THE SAME PERFORMANCE STANDARD SUPPLI TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE PART OF THE PROPERTY OF THE BUSINESS OR JUST THE FUEL AND STATION PART OF IT? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE JUST THE FUEL, UM, ESTABLISHMENT. RIGHT. SO THEY CONTINUE OPERATING AS JUST A CONVENIENCE STORE BUT NOT NECESSARILY AS A FUELING STATION FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. YEAH. OKAY. PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL INTERTWINED, BUT THERE IS A SEPARATION. ALRIGHT. UM, BE IN THE GROUND. IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT WON'T ACCOMMODATE, UM, PASSENGER VEHICLES. I DON'T SEE FROM WHAT I'VE READ HERE, PICTURES WHERE IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE FUELING STATIONS FOR BIG RIGS, 18 WHEELERS. IS THIS MAINLY PASSENGER VEHICLES? YES, MAINLY PASSENGER VEHICLES. UM, AND I KNOW WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH CHAIRMAN HOLROYD, UM, MAKING IT TO WHERE, UH, TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE AT THE FUELING STATIONS AS WELL HAS BEEN PROPOSED AND DISCUSSED. UM, SO THIS IS MOSTLY HERE TO CAPTURE THE PASSENGER VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING, UM, TO [01:50:01] THE INTERSTATE AND ALSO KIND OF ALREADY WITHIN, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE KINDA A FINAL DESTINATION USE. OKAY. UM, PROPOSED OPERATING HOURS, I BELIEVE SHEETS IS 24 HOURS. 24 7. 24 7. OKAY. MM-HMM . ALL RIGHT. AND THE LAST THING, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLUSES FOR AN OP, AN OPERATION LIKE THAT COME IN AT THIS LOCATION, IT SERVES A LOT OF NEEDS. MEET, MEET MEETS SOME, UM, SOLVES SOME PROBLEMS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THOUGH AS WE, AS WE DISCUSSED HERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A TRAFFIC IMPACT ON THE PEOPLE TRAVELING ON 17, IT ALSO IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OFF 17 WHERE PEOPLE GO, I'M TIRED OF DRIVING TO THAT TRAFFIC THROUGH 17, SO I'M GONNA JUMP OFF AND GO THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA TO BYPASS IT. AND WE GOTTA PROTECT THAT AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO PROTECT THE 17 CORRIDOR AS WELL. SO, VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PLUSES HAVING SHEETS THERE OR BUSINESS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA GET THAT RIGHT. WE CANNOT INTRODUCE A PROBLEM HERE WITH NO NEED FOR IT. WE, WE GOTTA FIND A GOOD SOLUTION FOR IT. SO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU STEVEN. MADISON, I HAD A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS IN SECTION EIGHT. COMMUNITY IMPACTS. UM, IT DISCUSSED SHEETS TYING INTO, UH, THE SEWER SYSTEM, SEWAGE PUMPING SYSTEM OF YORKTOWN CRESCENT. BUT I SEE NO TIE, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, UH, CONDITION OF, UH, OF ACCEPTANCE THAT, UM, ESTABLISHES THAT AS A REQUIREMENT. UH, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, THE RESOLUTION. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLEAR TIE BETWEEN WHEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS ON SHEETS, UH, AND WHEN THE SEWER SYSTEM IS READY OR AVAILABLE. WE'VE SEEN LENGTHY DELAYS ON THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT PROJECT AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE PROCEEDING WITH A SHEETS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN FIND MYSELF HAVING NO ABILITY TO, UH, PROPERLY, UM, TIE, TIE INTO THE SEWER. MM-HMM . SO I THINK, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONNECTION THERE AS A, AS A, AS A FOLLOW UP. UM, SECTION 12 OF THE, UM, OF YOUR REPORT TALKS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. UM, SO WE, WE'VE GOT TWO RESTAURANTS ON THE YORK ON THE, UM, YORKTOWN CRESCENT SIDE. I THINK IT'S A WENDY'S AND AN ARBY'S. ARBY'S, YEAH. AND WE'VE GOT FOUR BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THIS, UH, MEDIAN WILL NOW BE CLOSED. I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THOSE SIX BUSINESSES. UH, DO THEY, DO THEY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS IT'S STATED? BECAUSE I, I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THIS PACKAGE AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT BEHOOVES US TO, UH, TO REACH OUT TO THOSE CUSTOMERS OR TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND GET THAT INPUT. YEAH, I DEFINITELY, UM, HEAR THAT. UM, AND WE DID SEND THE PUB PUBLIC NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO DIRECTLY REACHING OUT TO THE BUSINESSES AS WELL. I THINK IT, I THINK AS YORK COUNTY, WE OWE IT TO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES TO DO THAT. THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR PLANNING STAFF. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. TRANCE IS HERE. WOULD YOU, UH, CARE TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, PRESENT PLEASE. OH, AND WELCOME BACK. GOOD TO SEE YOU, TIM. THANK YOU, MADISON. I WOULD'VE FUMBLED THAT. SO APPRECIATE YOU GETTING THAT UP. UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS TIM TRAN, ATTORNEY WITH KAUFMAN AT KNOLLS OFFICE AT 48 0 1 COURTHOUSE STREET IN WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA. IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TONIGHT TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER OF THE PUBLIX AND THE PROPOSED SHEETS, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. UH, I'LL INTRODUCE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE WITH ME TONIGHT. FIRST IN THE BULLET LIST AS THE, THE LONG LIST OF OWNERS THAT OWN THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM ARE HERE TONIGHT, BUT I, UM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND COOPERATIVE IN, IN HELPING US WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UM, ON BEHALF OF REDSTONE PROPERTIES, THE DEVELOPER HERE TONIGHT IS MR. JOHN SCHWARTZ AND MAYA TAYLOR, UH, WHO CAME IN FROM FLORIDA TO BE WITH US TONIGHT. UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF SHEETS OR TODD CADO AND TONY CARUSO, WHO ALSO CAME IN FROM, UH, RICHMOND AND POINTS NORTH TO BE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. AND, UH, HENRY SELLS WITH TIMMONS IS OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ENGINEERING TEAM. AND THEN LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, IS KAREN MCPHERSON, UH, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I SUSPECT YOU ALL WILL WANT TO, COULD COME A BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC. YES. SORRY. SORRY. THANK YOU. MOVING AROUND. FORGIVE ME. OKAY. UM, THESE NEXT SLIDES ARE JUST VISUAL AIDS IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO THEM. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION OF THE SITE AND IF, [01:55:01] BUT THEY'RE HERE FOR REFERENCING, UH, IN QUESTIONS IF AND ANSWERS IF WE NEED TO. AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN ALL OF THESE, UH, MATERIALS, WHICH MS, UH, SCOFF, LEY, UH, PRESENTED. SO JUST QUICKLY TO THE, UM, MY PRESENTATION AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROJECT, UM, FIRST, UH, REDSTONE IS DEVELOPING, AS HAS BEEN NOTED, THE ADJACENT SITE FOR THE PUBLIX ANCHORED GROCERY STORE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN A REZONING, UH, OVER A YEAR AGO, I BELIEVE. UM, AND THIS, UH, SHEET CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION WE PERCEIVE AS A COMPLIMENTARY USE, THE RESPECTIVE, UH, NATIONALLY BRANDED, UH, TENANTS KNOW EACH OTHER, HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH EACH OTHER AND, AND REALLY SEE A LOT OF SYNERGY IN THE, IN THE TWO USES COEXISTING ON THE SAME SITE. UM, AND, AND HOPE THAT THAT WILL ESTABLISH A, A MORE MEANINGFUL AND SUSTAINABLE PRESENCE. UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL PRESENCE ON ROUTE 17, UH, SHEETS, AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY REGARDED, UH, YOU KNOW, AND A, AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF A TOP TIER BRAND IN THE MODERN CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, MARKETPLACE. AND, UH, THEIR NETWORK OF, UH, 750 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE MID-ATLANTIC AND THE, AND THE, UH, MIDWEST, ALONG WITH OVER 21,000 EMPLOYEES, UH, IS, UH, IS POISED TO MAKE THEIR, UH, MOVE ONTO THE PENINSULA. AND WE, WE HOPE THAT THEY CAN WELCOME THEIR FIRST STORE IN YORK COUNTY HERE, UH, AT THIS SITE. UM, AGAIN, WE SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE SYNERGY OF PUBLIX AND SHEETS TO ENSURE A VIBRANT AND SUSTAINABLE COMMERCIAL CENTER AT, UH, WILL SERVE OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY EMPLOYEES, OF COUNTY BUSINESSES AND COMMUTERS THAT ARE IN, IN THAT CORRIDOR ON ROUTE 17, HELPS FULFILL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION FOR A VILLAGE CENTER AT THE FORT EUSTIS ROUTE 17 INTERSECTION NODE, AND, UH, COMPLETES A COMPREHENSIVE RETAIL OFFERING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO CENTERS OF EMPLOYMENT AND EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENCES. UM, TO SPEAK BRIEFLY TO TRAFFIC, WHICH I KNOW IS, HAS BEEN EXPRESSED OF, OF VERY, UH, SIGNIFICANT INTEREST TO THIS BOARD AND RIGHTFULLY SO. FIRST, THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS PARCEL WAS APPROVED, UH, GENERALLY AS A PART OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE WITH THE PUBLIC'S GROCERY STORE IN THAT REZONING PROCESS. SO THAT THIS PARCEL WAS PROGRAMMED UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE, NOT KNOWING EXACTLY HOW IT WAS PROGRAMMED OR PROJECTED IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY TO BE DEVELOPED. THAT WHICH WAS DONE, UH, BY MS. MCPHERSON, UH, WAS PROGRAMMED TO BE TWO ADDITIONAL, UM, DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS SO THAT THERE WAS TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TWO DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS PROGRAMMED ON THIS PARCEL IN CONNECTION WITH THAT STUDY, WHICH HAS ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL. NOW, THIS USE IS DIFFERENT AND HAS DIFFERENT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UM, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S CHANGES AND AN UPDATE OR AN AMENDMENT TO THAT EXISTING APPROVED TIA. BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TOTALLY NEW TRAFFIC TO, TO AN ANALYSIS OR TO A, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT VDOT HASN'T SEEN BE BEFORE. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THAT TRAFFIC FROM TWO DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS TO A CONVENIENCE STORE AND A SIGNALED INTERSECTION. UM, MULTIPLE INGRESS EGRESS POINTS, AS YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY FULL MOVEMENT INGRESS EGRESS POINTS RESULT IN AND ALLOW FOR A DISPERSION OF ENTERING AND EXITING TRIPS, WHICH GENERALLY IMPROVES TRAFFIC FLOWS. AND THAT IS THE CASE HERE, WHICH IS BORN IN, UH, OUT BY OUR AMENDED STUDY. UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COMPLIMENTARY USES. THE, THE REASON THAT IS RELEVANT IN THE TRAFFIC CONTEXT IS MANY OF THE PUBLIC'S CUSTOMERS WILL ALSO BE SHEET'S CUSTOMERS. SO THEY WILL BE ENTERING, UH, THE EXITING, EXCUSE ME, UH, 17 INTO THIS SHOPPING CENTER, BUYING GROCERIES AND RECEIVING FUEL. SO A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS BEING, UM, GENERATED, IF YOU WILL, BY THE SHEETS AND PUBLIX FACILITIES WILL BE THE SAME TRIPS, UM, FOR AN HYPER CONSERVATIVE MODELING OF TRAFFIC. JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW THAT IN OUR ORIGINAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE WITH THE PUBLIX AND IN THE UPDATE THAT WAS DONE FOR SHEETS, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC PROJECTED TO BE QUOTE, GENERATED BY THE SHEETS PROJECT WAS PROPOSED TO BE NEW TRIPS TO THE CORRIDOR. NO INTERNAL CAPTURE BETWEEN USES BETWEEN THE PUBLIX AND THE SHEETS WAS PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY SHEETS. NO PASS BY CAPTURE WAS PROPOSED, MEANING CARS IN THE CORRIDOR ALREADY JUST MAKING A RIGHT END SHEETS AND A RIGHT OUT OF SHEETS. RIGHT? NO DISCOUNT IN THE OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACT FROM [02:00:01] SHEETS WAS PROJECTED BY INTERNAL CAPTURE OR PASS BY. NOW, THAT WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY BY OUR TEAM TO PRODUCE A VERY CONSERVATIVE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SO THAT IT WOULD OVERESTIMATE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THIS USE AND THAT OUR SOLUTIONS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OVER PRO, UH, UNDER PROMISE AND OVERPERFORMED, MEANING WE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS. THE TRAFFIC FLOWS PROJECTED WOULD ULTIMATELY LESS THAN WHAT ARE BORN OUT IN, UH, IN REALITY, AS WE ALL KNOW, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHEETS WILL BE PASSED BY TRIPS. IT WILL NOT BE A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF TRAVELERS OF CUSTOMERS THAT COME FROM OUT OF THE AREA TO, TO THIS STORE. THEY WILL BE ALREADY IN THE COMMUTING CORRIDOR. THEY'LL BE ALREADY TRAVELING NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND ON 17 OR VISITING THE PUBLIX OR GOING TO THEIR HOMES OR GOING TO, OR FROM THEIR PLACES OF WORK. SO ANYWAY, JUST THE POINT THAT OUR, UH, ANALYSIS IS HYPER CONSERVATIVE. UM, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SHEET'S PROPOSAL IS, AS HAS BEEN NOTED THAT WE ARE PROPOSING A SIGNALED INTERSECTION WHERE BEFORE IT HAD JUST BEEN AN UNSIGNED, UH, ACCESS POINT, THE ADVANTAGE, UH, AND WE HAVE PROFFERED TO DO THAT. UM, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT TO YOU, AND, AND MS. MCPHERSON CAN, UH, EXPRESS THIS IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WISH, THAT WHILE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, DETAILS TO RESOLVE WITH VDOT, UH, IN, IN GOOD FAITH, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE SUBSTANTIVE ISSUE TO RESOLVE WITH VDOT IS WHETHER IT'S A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL OR A GREEN TEA SIGNAL, WHICH IS ALSO A SIGNALED INTERSECTION. IT'S JUST AS YOU SAW A DIFFERENT VARIETY THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE, UH, THAT WE NEED TO, AND, AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO RESOLVE THAT WITH VDOT. SO WE PROFFERED THAT WE WOULD DO A SIGNAL SUBJECT TO VDO T'S APPROVAL SO THAT WHATEVER VDOT ULTIMATELY APPROVED, WE HAD TO BUILD IT. AND, AND OUR INTENT IS THAT OUR PROPOSAL BE CON AND OUR ABILITY TO DEVELOP THE SHEETS OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH SPECIAL APPROVAL ON THAT SITE, UH, WOULD ONLY BE CONTINGENT UPON VDO T'S ULTIMATE APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN OF THAT INTERSECTION AND OUR AGREEING TO BUILD IT. UM, AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE MORE CLEAR IN ANY OF THE PROFFERS OR OTHER COMMISSION CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO THAT. ANYWAY, SORRY TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT. OUR, OUR HOPE WAS SIMPLY THAT WE, AS MS. GOFF MENTIONED THAT WE COULD WORK THAT OUT WITH VDOT DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERING PROCESS THAT FOLLOWS THE ZONING PROCESS, BUT RESPECT AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL ARE ANXIOUS FOR, FOR MORE CERTAINTY AROUND THAT. BUT WE DO BELIEVE OUR PROFFERS PROTECT THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO EMBELLISH THEM IN ANY WAY THAT YOU OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DEEMS APPROPRIATE TO, TO ASSURE YOU OF THAT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD THIS EVENING. UH, ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND WATERSHED PROTECTION. JUST BRIEFLY, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL THERE, UH, AS MS. GOFF ABLY REPRESENTED, WAS TO COME UP WITH A, AN ENGINEERING PROFFERED DESIGN THAT WOULD ASSURE THAT WE WERE ACHIEVING EQUIVALENT OR SUPERIOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION TO THE BASE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND I THINK WE, WE WORK WITH SHEETS, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS, AND COUNTY STAFF, I BELIEVE, TO ASSURE YOU, IN THE PROFFERS OF THAT. AND WE HAVE RECEIVED THE SUPPORT OF NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE, THE PROJECT BENEFITS, AND I'LL BE QUIET, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, COMMITTED TO HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPE DESIGN, A VERY ATTRACTIVE PRESENCE ON ROUTE 17, THAT, THAT'S OFTEN OVERLOOKED. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT, WE BELIEVE, AND, AND MEANINGFUL TO THE CHARACTER OF, OF THAT CORRIDOR, UM, CONCENTRATES RETAIL SERVICES IN A DESIGNATED VILLAGE CENTER, UH, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, AS WE'VE SAID TO CENTERS OF EMPLOYMENT AND EXISTING AND FUTURE RESIDENTS, ALLOWS CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE SITE TO PROCEED IN ONE TIMEFRAME, UM, PROVIDES TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THAT ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE FORT EUSTIS ROUTE 17 INTERSECTION. THAT I'LL, UH, BE QUIET AND ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS. NO, WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A QUESTION. UM, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW THAT SHEETS AND PUBLIX WORKS TOGETHER ACROSS THE, THE REGION AND, UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE SHEETS. I'VE BEEN IN THERE A LOT OF TIMES, SO, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING THIS WORK. UH, I GUESS I WAS JUST A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MY CONSTERNATION IS. UM, I THINK I WOULD'VE RATHER SEEN IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG WITH THE VDOT PART. UM, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I'M, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING AND HOPE THAT WE CAN WORK THIS OUT. AND I'M SORRY. NO, GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST TO RESPOND TO, UH, MR. JURY'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING FURTHER, I DID WANT TO TO MENTION, UH, [02:05:01] THAT IT WAS MENTIONED DURING YOU ALL YOUR REMARKS TO STAFF THAT WE DID. UH, AND WE HAVE HAD AN EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO THE IMPACTED BUSINESSES, PARTICULARLY THE FOUR ACROSS ROUTE 17 FROM US. AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE, I DON'T BELIEVE, TO MAKE CONTACT WITH ALL FOUR. WE'VE MADE CONTACT WITH THREE. WE HAVE, UH, THE SUPPORT FOR OUR PROJECT FROM THREE OF THOSE BUSINESSES. TWO HAVE ACTUALLY PROVIDED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THE CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL VERSUS THE GREEN TEA. I KNOW THAT'S A DETAIL. YOU ALL PROBABLY JUST WANT, YOU JUST WANT ASSURANCE THAT IT GETS SIGNALED AND VDO T'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT COMPONENT. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION TO KNOW FOR SURE. AND WE HAVE NOT, AND IT'S FRESH OFF THE PRESSES. WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THOSE LETTERS TO THE COUNTY OR TO VDOT YET, BUT THAT'LL BE IN OUR, OUR NEXT DOCUMENT. OKAY. DELIVERY. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO, A COUPLE THINGS THAT ONE BULLET POINT, SECOND ONE FROM THE BOTTOM, YOU, YOU REPEATED IT TWICE IN THE, IN THE SLIDE DECK, PROVIDES TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT IMPROVE LINE OF SIGHT. WHAT'S LOS AT FORT UC? ROAD 70 INTERSECTION? YEAH, A GOOD QUESTION. UH, MR. RONAN, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T COVER IT IN THE FIRST, UH, TIME. IT APPEARED IN THE SLIDE DECK. YOU SAW IT AND I DIDN'T MENTION IT AND I I DIDN'T COVER IT WELL, AT THE END AS I WAS RUNNING OUT OF TIME, LO S'S LEVEL OF SERVICE, I, I KNOW THAT'S A TERM THAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE AND IT, IT'S A MEASURE OF HOW WELL, UH, AND HOW EFFICIENTLY, UH, AN INTERSECTION FUNCTIONS. IT'S, IT'S A MEASURE OF THE DELAY THAT THE DRIVER EXPERIENCES. AND SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT OUR ANALYSIS RESULT, ONE OF THE RESULTS OF OUR UPDATED ANALYSIS IS THAT BY PROVIDING A SECONDARY SIGNALED INTERSECTION FURTHER SOUTH ON 17, ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET, AS MS. KAUF CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, UM, THAT PROVIDES ANOTHER FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS POINT TO BOTH SHEETS AND PUBLIX. UM, IT'S KIND OF THE, THE BACK DOOR TO PUBLIX, BUT IT'S ANOTHER FULL ACCESS MOVEMENT. SO YOU CAN MAKE A LEFT IN OR RIGHT IN, LEFT OUT OR RIGHT OUT, UH, AS WE'VE PROPOSED IT. BY DOING SO, THAT TAKES, UH, PRESSURE OFF OF THE FORT EUSTIS ROUTE 17 INTERSECTION BECAUSE BEFORE ALL OF THE LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE EXITED AT ROUTE 17 AND FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD AT THAT ONE INTERSECTION. BY SPLITTING THOSE, THAT TRAFFIC, GIVING A SECOND OPTION FOR THAT EXITING TRAFFIC TO LEAVE THAT CENTER, YOU ACTUALLY ALLOW, GIVE MORE, YOU REDUCE DELAY, GIVE MORE, YOU CAN GIVE MORE GREEN TIME TO THE ROUTE 17 FOR EUS BOULEVARD INTERSECTION. SO LESS DELAY IN THAT LEFT TURN MOVEMENT OUT OF THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER. SO THAT'S HOW IT IMPROVES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND I'M SURE I'VE BOTCHED THAT IN SOME TECHNICAL WAY. WELL, MS. MCPHERSON CAN COME UP AND CORRECTLY. WELL, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT THERE. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOTTA ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL AS, AS WELL. UM, 'CAUSE YOU'RE IMPACTING THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON 17 IN TWO PLACES. PRETTY CLOSE TOGETHER. BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK FOR THE ENGINEERS FROM VDOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN 'CAUSE UH, IF WITH THE RIGHT TIMING AND THE RIGHT PRIORITY OF 17 OVER, UH, FORT YUS BOULEVARD AND IN AND OUT OF, UM, SHEETS THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME SOLUTIONS THERE THAT, THAT REALLY DOESN'T BRING A LOT OF IMPACT. BUT I WILL GO BACK. IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR. AND BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR THE CALL YESTERDAY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I SEEM TO REMEMBER WHEN WE LAST LOOKED AT THIS SITE, THE PLAN WAS INGRESS AT THAT LOCATION INTO PUBLIX AND INTO THAT LARGER DEVELOPMENT. BUT ALL THE EGRESS, WHAT THERE WAS EGRESS TO GO NORTH ON 17, BUT THE EGRESS WAS SOUTH ON 17 WOULD GO THROUGH THE EXISTING FORT USES BOULEVARD. UM, NOW YOU'RE EXPLAINING HERE HOW IF YOU ADD THE SECONDARY SIGNAL, THE DISTAL SIGNAL, IT IMPROVES THAT INTERSECTION. UM, BUT OVER A YEAR WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT A SOLUTION THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A SIGNAL THERE SO CLOSE TO AN EXISTENCE SIGNAL AT A PRETTY BIG INTERSECTION. AND NOW THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT A PLAN HERE. SO AGAIN, IT JUST GOES BACK TO MY CONCERN. WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE NEW PROBLEMS. THAT'S GONNA BE A HEADACHE TO NOT ONLY THE, THE TRAVELS ON 17, BUT OUR RESIDENTS OFF 17 AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT'S A, IT'S A BIG NUT YOU GUYS NEED TO CRACK WITH VDOT AND FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, REACH THE END, END OF THE LANE HERE. SO UNDERSTAND. ALRIGHT, THANKS MR. NO, WE'RE ALL BACK TO WHAT FI IS GONNA SAY OR NOT. AND HERE WE GO THROUGH THIS AN ALL, YOU KNOW, [02:10:01] AN AWFUL LOT OF TIMES, BUT I'M, I'M STILL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT VDOT HAS RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE SIGNALING AND, AND WHAT YOU WANNA DO, AND YET YOU'RE COMING TO US FOR US TO APPROVE IT. AND WHAT, WHAT IF YOU AND VDOT CAN'T WORK IT OUT? NO, UNDERSTOOD. AND TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITIZENS, NOT JUST SO MUCH TO YOU. NO, UNDERSTOOD. AND AND OUR ANSWER TO THAT, WHICH, WHICH, UH, MAY NOT BE SATISFACTORY TO MS. NOLL IS THAT WE WOULDN'T GET TO BUILD OUR PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PROCEED WITH OUR ZONING. IT'S A CONDITION, THE FACT THAT WE WORK IT OUT WITH VDOT AND WE BUILD OUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S A GREEN TEA OR A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL, WE BUILD WHATEVER VDOT ULTIMATELY APPROVES OR WE DON'T BUILD. THAT'S, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROPOSED SOLUTION AND THAT'S THE CRUX OF THE SITUATION. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS AND YOU COULD NOT AGREE WITH VDOT, THIS IS JUST A MOOT POINT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SATISFY OUR PROFFERED CONDITIONS. OUR, OUR POSITION. AND, AND AGAIN, IT TO THE EXTENT WE NEED TO FURTHER ELABORATE OR EXPAND IN OUR PROFFERS TO ASSURE THIS, OUR POSITION THAT, THAT WE PRESENTED THROUGH OUR APPLICATION WAS THAT, THAT WE, WE WOULD NOT, IT WAS OUR EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PROCEED TO DEVELOP THE SHEETS. OKAY. IF WE CAN'T REACH THAT AGREEMENT. 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY VITA'S DECISION RULES THE DAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND JUST AS A TOTALLY SEPARATE NOTE, AND THIS IS MORE INFORMATION THAN MAYBE SOME BOARD MEMBERS WANT, BUT I KNOW YOU WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE THIS IS AN, A QUOTE ONSITE INTERSECTION MM-HMM . I MEAN, THIS IS THE ACCESS TO SHEETS AS A TECHNICAL LEGAL MATTER. I, I THINK THAT VDOT WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO REQUIRE WHATEVER IT WILL REQUIRE OF US IN ORDER TO GET OUR SITE. WE CAN'T GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THROUGH VDOT UNLESS WE SATISFY OKAY. WHAT VDOT WANTS AT THAT INTERSECTION, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE, IF THIS WERE A BUY RIGHT USE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION, OKAY. AND, AND THIS, THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WEREN'T IN THE PROFFERS, I DON'T THINK BECAUSE IT'S ON SITE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS AN, YOU KNOW, AN IMPROVEMENT UP THE UP THE ROAD, RIGHT. AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT, WHICH TYPICALLY HAS TO BE, UM, COMMITTED TO THROUGH THE ZONING AND LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS ONSITE, THIS IS THE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT, RIGHT? I THINK VDOT AND THE COUNTY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DENY THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT, UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SUPPORT FROM VDOT FOR WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE DICTATED. AND, AND I, I WANT TO JUST GET FOR CLARITY, MAYBE EVEN FOR SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE RIGHT NOW, ACCORDING TO VDOT, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE, WITH THIS, THE, UM, CONTINUOUS GREEN TEA, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID ACCORDING TO THE NOTES. AND MAYBE WHAT IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, MR. MR. DREW, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS BECAUSE MS. MCPHERSON HAS BEEN ON THE FRONT LINES OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH VIDO, AND, AND CANDIDLY I HAVEN'T, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE COMMENT LETTERS AND READING AND TALKING. RIGHT. UM, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO HEAR JUST FROM HER ABOUT WHERE THAT, THE STATUS OF THAT CONVERSATION. YES. I THINK ULTIMATELY, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. THE SUBSTANCE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS WE NEED TO DO A SIGNALED A CONTROLLED ACCESS HERE MM-HMM . WHAT IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? THERE'S A RANGE OF OPTIONS FROM R CUT TO A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL. I THINK IN REALITY IT'S REALLY DOWN TO, IS THIS A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL OR A GREEN TEA? BUT I THINK SHE'D BE BETTER. YOU COULD HAVE FRESHER, CLEARER INFORMATION. WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. I'D LIKE TOM TO BE ABLE TO FINISH QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO YOU. YES, SIR. YEAH, TIM, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION HERE. I, I, I'M, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, PROJECT IS GREAT. OKAY? MM-HMM . I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES OF ON 17 ARE ALWAYS A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON HERE. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE AROUND IT, BUT WHAT THE HELL, YOU PUT SOMETHING NEW IN THERE, YOU'RE GONNA INCONVENIENCE SOMEBODY. UH, BUT THIS WOULD BE, I THINK GREAT, UH, GREAT FOR THAT BUSINESS AREA. IT, UH, PROVIDES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COMBINATION, AND SORRY FOR OUR VOICE, I JUST GETTING OVER THIS, WHATEVER THE HECK IT IS. BUT, UM, WE HAD THE, WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AREA THERE. WE, WE WANTED A, UM, UH, WE WANTED BUSINESSES IN THERE WITH, WITH IT, AND THIS FITS. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THE ISSUE ON THE VDOT THING KIND OF BOTHERS ME A LOT, UM, BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. NOW, LET ME BACK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. WE KNOW HOW THESE THINGS COME TO US, OKAY? WE KNOW THAT THE GENERAL PLAN, THEY COME IN WITH GENERAL PLAN. IT'S A CONCEPT OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF HOPE [02:15:01] THE STAFF PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY MOSTLY DO AND THINGS DON'T GET SCREWED UP. BUT YET, JUST A LITTLE DOWN THE ROAD, WE HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT GOT REALLY HOSED UP WITH NO PARK, BASICALLY NO PARKING. AND I'M, I I, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN HERE. WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN ON, UH, ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR. THIS IS OUR MAIN HIGHWAY THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, YOUR COUNTY. SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE HERE AND LOOKING AT THE PROFFERS THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROFFERING THAT WE'RE NOT TWISTING YOUR ARM ON. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU GOTTA DO. THAT'S RIGHT. BASICALLY, IT'S A VERY SHORT SENTENCE. OKAY. OR PARAGRAPH. THIS IS UPON APPROVAL OF VDOT OF THE REQUISITE SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT AND ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTIONS. AND THE RECEIPT OF OTHER REQUIRED APPROVALS FROM VDOT OWNER SHALL, SHALL DESIGN AND INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY AND ROUTE 17 AT SUCH TIME. AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT SUCH TIME AS DETERMINED BY VDOT TO BE WARRANTED AND JUSTIFIED. SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT VDOT JUST GOES, EH, YOU DON'T NEED A SIGNAL THERE? NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A RE I GUESS ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A REALISTIC POSSIBILITY HERE. THE REASON, AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, I AM NO PROUD OF AUTHORSHIP. IF THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY WHAT WE SAY THERE, WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS WE'VE GOTTA DESIGN A SIGNAL FOR THIS INTERSECTION THAT PASSES MUSTER WITH VDOT. AND ONCE THEY TELL US THEY'VE APPROVED IT, WE CAN BUILD IT AND WE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECT UNTIL WE'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES WITH VDOT IN THAT ONE. THAT'S BUT TO JUST, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT JUST TO ANSWER YOUR LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE WARRANTED AND JUSTIFIED, WHAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED, AND, AND YOU ALL SHOULD, UH, ARE PROBABLY SAVVY TO THIS, SO FORGIVE ME, BUT YOU CAN, UM, CONVINCE, UH, UH, VDOT THAT, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS THE APPROPRIATE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TOOL, WHETHER IT'S A GREEN TEA OR A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL, OR EVEN A ROUNDABOUT. YOU CAN AGREE ON WHAT THE RIGHT ACCESS MANAGEMENT TOOL IS AND, UH, AND EVEN THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR IT. BUT VDOT WILL NOT PERMIT YOU TO ACTUALLY INSTALL THE SIGNAL IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY CONTROL UNTIL YOU MEET WARRANTS AND JUSTIFICATION, THE SIGNAL WARRANTS AND JUSTIFICATION. SO TRAFFIC HAS TO, AND, AND THIS MANIFESTS OFTEN IN SORT OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT, WHERE YOU'VE GOT MULTI-PHASE DEVELOPMENT AT THE ENTRANCE TO YOUR SUBDIVISION. YOU MAY, IT MAY SAY YOU NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL SOMEDAY DOWN THE ROAD WHEN YOU GET TO A HUNDRED HOMES OR 200 HOMES. WELL, THOSE DON'T APPEAR IN THE FIRST YEAR. RIGHT? THOSE THAT MAY NOT EVEN APPEAR IN THE SECOND YEAR. SO VDOT WILL OFTEN SAY, WE ARE NOT, YEAH, YOU, WE KNOW YOU NEED A SIGNAL THERE SOMEDAY, BUT IT'S NOT WARRANTED YET, AND WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU BUILD IT YET. SO THE WARRANTED AND JUSTIFIED IS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S ONLY WHEN VDOT HAS DEEMED IT WARRANTED. NOW, IN THIS SITUATION ON ROUTE 17, WITH THE VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC, IT'S GONNA BE WARRANTED. I'M, I FEEL CERTAIN BEFORE WE GET OUR CO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE IN CONNECTION WITH GETTING OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUALIFICATION. THE REASON FOR THE QUALIFICATION IS 'CAUSE VDOT MAY SAY, HEY, LOOK, TRAFFIC HASN'T MATURED TO THE POINT, THE VOLUMES HAVEN'T MATURED TO THE POINT WHERE THE SIGNAL IS WARRANTED YET. OKAY? SO THE WAY I WAY, OKAY, SO IS THERE A, OKAY, WOULD, CAN SHEETS DO BUSINESS WITHOUT A SIGNALIZE LIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. UM, I BELIEVE IT IT THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SHEET'S TRAFFIC VOLUMES. REALLY? SO IN, IN SUBSEQUENT DEALING WITH THE COUNTY AND IN DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT, IT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT IF, IF VDOT DOES NOT GIVE YOU, UH, A, A PERMISSION TO PROCEED WITH A LIGHT SIGNALED LIGHT THERE, ALRIGHT? NO BUSINESS THEN THERE'S NO BUSINESS. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE HEARING? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO HE'S GOTTA HAVE A SIGNALED LIGHT. RIGHT. AND THE TWO OPTIONS, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IS GONNA BE THAT GREEN TEA THING OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. AND THE OTHER IS JUST A STANDARD LIGHT ONE CLARIFICATION, MR. SHEPHERD. I I, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN BRINGING SHEETS TO THE MARKETPLACE, RIGHT? I I, IN, IN ALL CANDOR, WE DON'T LIKE THE GREEN TEA. THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, SO WHAT DO YOU LIKE, WE LIKE THE CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL. I MEAN THAT WHAT'S REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, SO THEY DON'T GIVE IT TO, SO HOW MUCH PUSHBACK ARE YOU GETTING FROM VDOT ON THAT, [02:20:01] THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT A FAIR AMOUNT SO FAR, AFRAID THEY, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE GREEN TEA. THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. IF, IF, IF VDOT SAID, YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET THAT YOU GUYS, ARE YOU STILL GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GREEN TEA? I GUESS THAT'S THE POINT. MAYBE SHE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S THE CLARIFI CLARIFICATION. THAT'S, THAT'S A CLARIFICATION I'M TRYING TO GET FOR ALL OF US ON THE BOARD. IF, IF THE GREEN TEAS YOU SAY, NOPE, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE, WE'RE MOVING ON. UH, OR IS THE GREEN TEA GOING OKAY, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE'LL DO IT JUST TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE. UH, GOOD EVENING, KAREN MCPHERSON. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY I HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL AND EVERY TIME I TALK TO VDOT, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT ANSWER AND A DIFFERENT QUESTION. MAYBE NOT FOR THIS ONE. UM, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT LETTER AND THERE WERE 19 COMMENTS. I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO THREE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH VDOT AND AGAIN, SOME OF TRAFFIC SHOCKING IS SUBJECTIVE. SO WHEN WE COME UP TO THOSE SUBJECTIVE THINGS, WE REACH OUT, WE GAIN CONSENSUS RELATIVE TO THE GREEN TEA. IT IS ANOTHER OPTION. IT'S AN INNOVATIVE SOLUTION THAT IS THE V VDOT BUZZWORD. UM, SO WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE DETAILED OPERATIONAL FOLKS, WE ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE AS YOU ADD A TAPER SOUTHBOUND, THERE'S SOME OTHER CONSTRAINTS. THERE'S THE RAILROAD CROSSING, THERE'S ANOTHER MEETING CROSSOVER MM-HMM SO WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS NOT ONLY WITH THE TRAFFIC FOLKS NOW, BUT WE'VE BROUGHT THE LOCATION AND DESIGN THE L AND D FOLKS TO THE TABLE. SO WE ARE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO GIVING THEM DATA SO THAT AMONG ALL OF THEM THEY CAN COME UP WITH WHAT IS THE IDEAL SOLUTION. SO THE TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC SIGNAL STILL CHECKS ALL THE BOXES. THEY'VE ASKED US VERY DETAILED, WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF SERVICE? HOW AM I IMPACTING THE GREEN BAND? BECAUSE WITHOUT A DOUBT, NO MATTER WHAT SIGNAL WE PUT HERE, IT WILL BE CONNECTED TO FORT EUSTIS AND THEY WILL TALK INTELLIGENTLY TOGETHER. FROM THE TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN ASK OUR COMMUTERS AND EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO COORDINATE THEM AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. AS FAR AS THE GREEN TEA, WE'VE STILL GOT SOME DATA THAT WE NEED TO GIVE TO THE OPERATIONAL AND THE LOCATION AND DESIGN, AND IT HAS SOME CHALLENGES RELATIVE TO WEAVING A TRAP LANE WITH THE ADJACENT ONE. SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, UM, BUT WE'RE STILL COMMUNICATING QUITE FREQUENTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THE, THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OF 2,600 FEET AS OPPOSED TO A THOUSAND. I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE THERE. BUT I'M NOT VDOT. SO THE ACCESS REQUEST FOR THE ACCESS MODIFICATION FOR THE SIGNAL REQUEST, THE QUARTER MILE SPACING FOR A SIGNAL THAT IS A HUGE SPACING. UM, VERY RARELY DO YOU HAVE THAT. SO WE WERE, WE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT IT WILL NOT HAVE A, A HUGE IMPACT RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL PROGRESSION. AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT FORT EUSTIS IN 17, THAT IS THE CRITICAL INTERSECTION. MM-HMM . WE ARE SHIFTING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT FROM THAT. IF WE LEAVE ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT, NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC, BUT THE SHEETS, THE RBS, EVERYBODY COMING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AT FULL BUILD OUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW WILL WANT TO COME OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE A LEFT. WE HAVE TO GIVE IT GREEN TIME, WHICH MEANS PEOPLE COMMUTING ON FORT TI BOULEVARD WILL HAVE LESS GREEN TIME. SO IF WE CAN GIVE THAT SHOPPING CENTER TRAFFIC ANOTHER WAY OUT, THAT THAT GREEN TIME THAT THEY NEED CAN GO TO 17, CAN GO TO GEORGE WASHINGTON HIGHWAY, CAN GO TO FORT EAST. SO THERE IS A BALANCE RELATIVE TO HOW WE SHARE GREEN TIME DURING A PEAK HOUR. THAT IS TREMENDOUSLY BENEFICIAL TO GIVE PEOPLE TWO WAYS OUT OF A FULLY DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS. THEY'VE ASKED US FOR AM AND PM, YOU KNOW, 20 30, 20 36. SO WE'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS NEXT TIME. UM, WELL, I MEAN, I WISH WE'D HAVE KNOWN THAT YOU CLEARED ALL OF 'EM UP AT THREE. OKAY. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, I'M CLOSE. WE'RE 19, 20 IN, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE TELLING US NOW THAT YOU'VE CLEARED 'EM ALL, BUT THREE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD INFORMATION TO KNOW UPFRONT AND NOT AT THE TAIL END. BUT DON'T, DON'T YOU THROUGH THE THING. IN THAT SCENARIO, WILL YOU COME BACK TO MR. UH, SHEPHERD MR. SHEPHERD'S QUESTIONS? SURE. I THINK HE WAS SURE. I'LL TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET TO, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TO UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, BECAUSE THE WAY I, I MEAN I WANT THE COMPANY TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M LEANING FORWARD HERE TRYING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. OKAY? I WANT IT TO HAPPEN. NOW, IF WE HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH VDOT, WE CAN GET IN, WE CAN DO THAT. ALRIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S, BELIEVE [02:25:01] ME, WE CAN DO THAT. SO THE POINT I'VE GOT HERE THOUGH IS WHAT BENEFIT OR WHAT HAPPENS HERE IF WE DELAY THIS? OKAY? I AM NOT TO YOU COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER, ALRIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE TO ME, BASED UPON THIS PROFFER HERE THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT OF ANYTHING. I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING, YOU'RE BEING HELD, YOUR FEET'S BEING HELD TO THE FIRE BECAUSE YOUR COMPANY, YOUR CLIENT IS NOT GONNA BUILD THERE UNLESS HE GETS THAT'S RIGHT. HE GETS THE INTERSECTION RIGHT. THAT'S AND WE WANT THE INTERSECTION. THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. I MEAN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THE BUSINESS THERE AND IT'S GONNA GENERATE REVENUE, UM, FOR THE COUNTY AND, AND IT'LL BE A GOOD THING FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AROUND THAT AREA CAN BE ABLE TO GO THERE AND SHOP AND, AND, UH, I DUNNO, IS THERE A RESTAURANT IN THIS THING? YES SIR. IT DOES HAVE PREPARED FOOD YES. INSIDE OF A SHEET. YES SIR. SO, ALRIGHT, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S, IF IF WE WERE TO HOLD BACK ON APPROVAL HERE, WHAT'S GONNA BE GAINED AND NOT, NOT MUCH ON OUR UNDERSTANDING OTHER THAN MAYBE VDOT MIGHT COME AROUND AND FINISH YOUR LAST THREE BULLETS. OTHER THAN WE MIGHT GIVE THEM MORE PRESSURE TO GIVE WHO PRESSURE YOU THINK VDO T'S HAVE PRESSURE? NO, YOU KIDDING ME, ? NO, I GOTTA GO CALL UP. YOU SAID YOU COULD WORK IT. WELL I, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO DO THAT, SO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BENEFIT DO WE GET FROM THAT? I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER THE PROFFER CAN BE CHANGED SUCH THAT IT'S A CONDITION OF FINAL OPENING THAT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT BE INSTALLED. IT DOES IT. WELL, IT'S, I'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE BUSINESS HERE UNLESS THEY GET IT AND IT SAYS THAT, WELL, NO, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. IT SAYS IF IF VDOT DOES NOT PROCEED WITH A LIGHT, THEN, THEN WE'RE STUCK. BUT WE STILL HAVE A SHEETS TO OPERATE. I, I PREFER TO SEE NO, NO. WELL LET THAT MEAN. YEAH, WE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UNLESS IT'S LAID DOWN IN OUR, IN OUR, IF THEY CAN'T REACH AGREEMENT, IF THEY'RE STILL WAFFLING BETWEEN OPTIONS, WE END UP WITH A SHEETS THAT'S READY TO GO AND NO TRAFFIC LIGHT. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I WANNA SEE. I DON'T, I WANT SEE A SOLUTION. WE ARE HAPPY TO, LET ME, LET ME FINISH THE QUESTIONS HERE. YES, SIR. SO IT GOES TO THIS POINT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HORSE, THE CART, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN HERE THAT SAYS, OR SOME MODIFICATION THAT SAYS THAT, YEAH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS WITHOUT THE INTERSECTION. UNDERSTOOD. SO WHY GO BUILD AND INVEST MONEY INTO IT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE INTERSECTION? SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THE INTERSECTION BEFORE YOU START BUILDING. SO, WELL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT, UH, IS ACCOMPLISHED WITH A DEFERRAL AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE BIASED IN FAVOR OF, OF TIME AND, AND MONEY AND THE EXPENSE AND, AND PROGRESS WITH THE SITE. UM, THE DELAY COSTS US, IT, IT PUTS OUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SHEETS. IT SLOWS DOWN CANDIDLY THE PUBLIC'S TIMELINE AS WELL BECAUSE THOSE TWO SITES DEVELOP THE CONSTRUCTION OF BOTH THOSE SITES ARE, ARE, WE HAD HOPED TO BE COORDINATED, UM, AND, AND AND JOINTLY FUNDED IN MANY WAYS. AND SO THAT, THAT WILL CREATE COMPLICATIONS FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. UM, WE, AND I DON'T KNOW HONESTLY THAT, THAT A LOT OF CERTAINTY WILL, WILL BE GAINED. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY. WE, WE HAPPY TO MAKE, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROFFERS TO, UH, TO PROVIDE GREATER CLARITY. UH, YOU KNOW THAT AROUND WHAT WHAT WE'VE SAID AND WHAT YOU'VE SAID, WHICH IS NO SHEETS, NO CO WITHOUT THE, THE INTERSECTION BEING, YOU KNOW, A VDOT APPROVED SIGNALIZATION OF THAT INTERSECTION. I'VE GOT ALL THE HEAD KNOTS. THERE BE NO INTERSECTION, NO, NO STARTING LAND CLEARING OR ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GET THE APPROVAL FROM VDOT FOR THE INTERSECTION. YES, SIR. AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT FOR, FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. AND, AND THERE, THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE, AND I'LL GIVE, UH, CREDIT TO STAFF FOR THIS. UM, IT, IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE SUP CONDITIONS. YOU KNOW, THE, THE C STORE WITH GAS STATION REQUIRES AN SUP, THE REZONING, IT'S ALREADY ZONED GB UH, THE REZONING FROM GENERAL BUSINESS TO GENERAL BUSINESS WITH PROFFERS WAS JUST TO DEAL WITH THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PROTECTION OVERLAY. OTHERWISE, WE WOULD ONLY BE HERE FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PROFFERS. UM, ALL OF THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CUP AS I SAID. I THINK AS A A MATTER IF THIS WERE A BUY RIGHT USE, I THINK YOU, YOU STILL HAVE THIS AUTHORITY 'CAUSE IT'S AN ONSITE IMPROVEMENT MM-HMM . OR QUASI ONSITE IMPROVEMENT. BUT IT COULD, WITH FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, YOU ALL COULD ADD TONIGHT A CUP CONDITION THAT SAYS JUST WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY. JUST WHAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, WISH THE PROFFER TO SAY, I'M SORRY, IT WASN'T MORE, MORE CLEAR. WE'RE LAWYERS, YOU KNOW, CLARITY IS NOT ALWAYS OUR VIRTUE. SO FORGIVE ME. SO, SO I MEAN, I, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU GIVE US SOME WORDS, WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE TO IMPROPER OR THE SUP TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WITHOUT THE INTERSECTION APPROVAL FIRST, YOU'RE NOT GONNA START DOING ANYTHING ELSE. YES, SIR. IT WOULD BE THAT, UH, ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION WOULD BE CONDITIONED UPON APPROVAL, UH, OF [02:30:01] A SIGNALED INTERSECTION. UM, AND, UH, THE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. NAMES PLEASE. JOHN SCHWARTZ. REDSTONE PROPERTIES 1501 WEST CLEVELAND, TAMPA, FLORIDA. UM, NOT TO CORRECT YOU NO, DO, GO AHEAD. IT'S YOUR, YOUR WALLET, SIR. YOU'RE YOU'RE IN THE CAMERA. . WHAT, WHAT WE PLEASE MOVE TO THE MIC. OH, SORRY. UM, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD PROFFER THAT WE WOULDN'T START CONSTRUCTION. IT WOULD BE NO PERMIT ISSUED, HOWEVER IT IS, UNLESS THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS APPROVED, NOT JUST CO WE, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T WANNA START THE STORE. YOU WOULDN'T WANT US TO START THE STORE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL APPROVAL. AND, AND THE REASON WHY WE, WE'VE ASKED THE PROFFER IS TO BE WRITTEN THIS WAY IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TRYING THIS, THIS STORE HAS BEEN TAKING A LONG TIME TO GET OUT OF THE GROUND. THE PUBLIX, THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER AND SHEETS IS A VITAL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE THINGS ALONG AND GET IT DONE. WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, IF POSSIBLE, UM, BY MARCH. UM, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THE VDOT APPROVALS BY THAT TIME. UM, BUT CERTAINLY BY SEPTEMBER WE COULD START ANYWAY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THINGS MOVING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND, UH, AND OUR DEAL WITH SHEETS AND THEIR, AND THEIR PROCESS SO WE CAN GET THE VDOT APPROVAL AND, AND GET TO CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE THIS WAY INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL WE HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM VDOT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. WELL, IT DOES. I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE THE FACT THAT IF, IF THE, THE BIG ISSUE HERE WITH THIS BOARD HAS TO BE THAT INTERSECTION. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT YOU CLEARING THE LAND OR DOING DON'T, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF STUPID TO INVEST AND DO THAT AND THEN NOT HAVE A STORE SO LONG AS THE WORDING TO THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. NOW WE CAN WE DO THAT ON THE SPOT HERE. UM, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT AT THAT POINT. MR. SCHWARTZ SPEAKS TO A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT YOU KNOW THAT ABOUT THE APPROVAL FROM VDO, SORRY, MR. SCHWARTZ. MR. SCHWARTZ. YES. YES, MR. SCHWARTZ. I DID SAY THAT. OKAY. GOT THAT. UH, UH, THE APPROVAL FROM VDOT WOULD BE A CONDITION SOUNDS LIKE TO, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL, RIGHT. UM, OF THE INTERSECTION DESIGN. WHAT I WAS SPEAKING OF, AND I I DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR, WAS THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE SIGNAL. RIGHT. YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THE SIGNAL BEFORE YOU GET YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MR. SCHWARTZ IS SAYING IS CON, THE, THE CUP CONDITION COULD READ SUBJECT TO GREATER MINES ASSEMBLED THAT THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE CONVENIENCE FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE CONDITIONED UPON VDOT APPROVAL OF A SIGNALED INTERSECTION. NOT NECESSARILY THE INSTALLATION OF THE LIGHT, JUST THE APPROVAL OF THE LIGHT. RIGHT. BUT YOU ALL, UH, ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT GETS BUILT RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE SECOND, SO WHAT I WAS ADDRESSING, I HAD JUMPED AHEAD, SORRY, I HAD JUMPED AHEAD TO THE SECONDARY SORT OF CONCERN, WHICH IS THAT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WOULD NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THE SIGNAL IS CONSTRUCTED OR BONDED BUILDING IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SIGNAL, MA'AM, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SIGNAL. SO WHY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, MR. CHAIRMAN? BECAUSE YOU WOULD WANT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAL TO OCCUR WHILE THE BUILDING'S BEING BUILT. RIGHT. YOU WANT THEM, BUT PROVIDED YOU, YOU'VE GOT FEET UP. RIGHT, RIGHT. APPROVAL. THAT'S THE FIRST PART. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT SORT OF GIVING YOU THE TIME. LET ME BACK UP AND START OVER. YES, PLEASE. SO THE, THE TIMELINE NOT, I WAS TRYING TO WRITE CUP LANGUAGE CONDITIONS WHILE WE WERE ON THE FLY, BUT JUST THE TIMELINE, MAYBE JUST IN, IN, IN COLLOQUIAL SPEAK. SO WE WOULD NOT SEEK BUILDING SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YOU CAN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL YOU GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL, RIGHT, RIGHT. UNTIL WE HAVE VDOT APPROVAL OF THE SIGNAL. CORRECT. RIGHT. JUST THE TECHNICAL ACCESS MANAGEMENT APPROVAL, SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION, WHATEVER BEAT OUT APPROVAL. YOU COPYING THIS DOWN, EARL? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, MR. YES, PLEASE. ? UH, I, I GENERALLY AGREE AND ACCEPT MR. TRANCE REPRESENTATION ON BEHALF OF HIS CLIENT THAT THE ZONING CONDITIONS WOULD REQUIRE THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF AN INTERSECTION. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT AT HIS, THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TODAY WOULD BE PART OF THE RECORD AND REPRESENT ANY ATTEMPT TO, UH, CLEAR UP AN AMBIGUITY. HAVING SAID THAT, I ALSO THINK HE, THE, THE PATH FORWARD THAT HE'S PRESENTING WOULD BE A WAY OF DOING IT, WHICH WOULD BE TO ADD A PARAGRAPH FOUR. AND WHEN HE SAYS CPIS, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT RESOLUTION GRANTING THE SUP? YES, SIR. I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ADDING A PARAGRAPH FOUR [02:35:01] AND RENUMBERING PARAGRAPH FOUR TO B FIVE AND MAKING PARAGRAPH FOUR, READ THAT, UH, APPROVAL BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OF A SIGNALED INTERSECTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, CONDITIONAL ZONING IS A, IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEP. OKAY. AND IF, IF THAT WOULD BE A, I MEAN THAT I THINK WOULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT, AND ONE LAST REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. SO WHEN, WHEN WE DO THIS WORDING HERE, WE'RE NOT GONNA END UP PERMANENTLY PUTTING A SIGNALIZE REQUIREMENT ONTO THAT PROPERTY? NO. RIGHT. IT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HIS, FOR HIS BUSINESS USE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT NOT FOR THE PROPERTY. IF IT'S NOT SOLD, HE DOESN'T BUY IT. IF HE DOESN'T, IF THEY DON'T ESTABLISH THEIR USE WITHIN THE REQUIRED PERIOD OF TIME, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE EXTINGUISH JUST REVERT BACK TO REGULAR NO, THE ZONING, THE ZONING'S ANOTHER MATTER. BUT AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD, IF YOU ADDRESS IT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, IT WOULD HANDLE I THINK ALL THE CONCERNS AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD ENABLE US TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. I'M GOOD. THANKS. I HAD ONE FURTHER QUESTION. IT'S FINALLY MY TURN. IT, UM, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT TRANSPORT TRUCKS COMING INTO FUEL OP. AND HOW DO WE STOP THAT? UH, THE ISLANDS ARE HIGH ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD DO IT, AND I THINK THEY'RE 17 FOOT HIGH AND TRANSPORT TRUCKS RUN ABOUT 14 FOOT HIGH SO THEY COULD GET UNDER THE CANOPIES. UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN THE RESOLUTION THAT STATES THAT THIS IS NOT PROHIBITED AS PART OF THIS, UM, UM, SHEETS DEVELOPMENT. MR. CADO WITH, UH, SHEETS CAN SPEAK TO THAT. GOOD EVENING. TODD CADO, UH, SHEETS INCORPORATED. SENIOR REAL ESTATE MARKET MANAGER. UM, SO THIS SITE, WE WILL OFFER AUTO DIESEL AT THE PUMPS, WHICH, UM, BUT WE WILL NOT OFFER HIGH FLOW DIESEL. WE'RE GLAD TO PUT THAT IN A PROFFER. UM, WHICH IS WHAT A LARGE TANKER WOULD USE A HIGH FLOW DIESEL. AND WE HAVE NO, UM, COMMERCIAL DIESEL PARKS ON THIS PROPERTY EITHER. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN RESTRICT. LIKE SOMETIMES WE'LL PARK 'EM ALONG THE CURB, BUT WE WILL NEED DELIVERY. SO WE'LL HAVE OUR DELIVERY TRUCKS ON OUR LOT. SO WE DO NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR THEM. UM, SO NATURALLY SOMETIMES THAT SPACE MAY GET FILLED BY A TRUCK, BUT WE DEFINITELY AREN'T INVITING OR WELCOMING TO THOSE, ESPECIALLY THIS THING. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SUGGESTED, WHICH IS TO PROFFER THAT YOU WOULD NOT, UH, STOCK HIGH FLOW DIESEL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST ONE QUALIFICATION, MR. HORWOOD, UH, WHICH MR. UH, UH, HILL WOULD PROBABLY CATCH ANYWAY. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A CUP CONDITION AS OPPOSED TO A PROFFER OR AN SUP CONDITION AS OPPOSED TO A PROF. WE'VE GOT BOTH HERE. I KNOW I, I'VE COMPLICATED THINGS WITH A REZONING AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITION, WHICH WE COULD ADD TO THE RESOLUTION THAT NO HIGH FLOW DIESEL WOULD BE OFFERED. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I WILL CALL ON ANY OTHER CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANY BOARD DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD? I DUNNO. DON'T WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU. WE HAVE THE TWO RESO, UH, ORDINANCE AND A RESOLUTION. IS THAT WHAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE? WE'VE GOT A REVISION, WE HAVE A REVISION FOR, AND WE NOW HAVE A FURTHER REVISION THAT ARE WE, SO WHICH, WHICH ONE GOES, WHICH ONE GOES ON? WHICH, WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION IS DO WE PROCEED WITH THIS OR DO WE, OR DO WE ASK FOR CONTINUANCE OF THE MEETING? NO, WE, WE DO. WE WE DO IT NOW. DON'T THINK CONTINUANCE IS REQUIRED. IF WE'RE COVERED WITH, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE AMENDMENTS, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. ALL WE'LL, CAN I PROCEED WITH THE, PROCEED WITH THE MOTION? WITH THE MOTION? SO WHICH ONE HAS THE R THE THE RESIDENT, THE SUP. WELL, I MEAN, WHICH ONE? I MEAN, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN THAT THEN THERE'S A RESOLUTION. SO WHICH ONE GETS THE R OR BOTH OF THEM? THE R WILL GO ON THE RESOLUTION. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. PERMIT. BUT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE FIRST. OKAY. WELL, OR SHOWN HERE, YOU GOT THE, SO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE FIRST AND IT DOES NOT HAVE AN R. CORRECT. OKAY, SO I MOVE ORDINANCE 26 DASH ONE MOVE. SO MOVE, ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE 26 DASH ONE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD. YES. MR. HORO? YES. MOTION CARRIED. SO NOW WE GOTTA MOVE. NOW WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE R 26 DASH FIVE R. NO, 25 OR 26. 26 DASH SIX DASH READ. DIDN'T [02:40:01] HAVE THE NUMBER HERE, IS IT? IS IT, THEY'RE R 26 DASH FIVE RR 26 DASH FIVE. THAT SIX R 26 DASH FIVE RR? YES. OKAY. R 26 DASH. CAN WE, IT'S MOVING IT, CAN WE LIST WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE UNDER THE R BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL CAPTURED ON THE THEY'RE GONNA OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT, UH, ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT I HAVE, WE'LL START WITH THE EASY ONE. NO HIGH FLOW DIESEL ALLOWED. UM, AND WE DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AS A GROUP, BUT MR. HORO HAD BROUGHT UP THE, UM, SEWER CONNECTION. YEP. MM-HMM . YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT BE A REQUIREMENT AT THE, HOW DO YOU WANT TO LIST THAT? IT'S A CONDITION OF, OF ACCEPTANCE THAT CONSTRUCTION ON THE SHEETS BEGINS. ONCE THE SEWER IS ESTABLISHED. I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE, THE PUBLIC IS FURTHER DELAYED AND IT'S TWO YEARS MORE LATE. AND, AND YOU WANT SHEETS GOING AHEAD, BUT THERE'S NO SEWER, SO HAS TO BE TIED. I, LET ME, LET ME BRING THEIR ENGINEER UP HERE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT WORDING. SO I'M HENRY SELLS WITH TENANTS GROUP, UM, VIRGINIA BEACH. SO HOW I WOULD HANDLE THAT, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT, WOULD BE MAKE THE CO A CONDITION OF CONNECTION TO THE SEWER AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT, THAT WOULD KEEP YOU CONNECTING THE SHEETS TO THAT INSTEAD OF ANYTHING OUT ON ROUTE 17 AND ALL THAT. WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION. YEAH. SO, SO WE'RE CONNECTING TO A PUMP STATION SOMEWHERE HERE. SO WHEN, WHEN PUBLIX GETS BUILT, ARE THEY GONNA NEED NOW CREATE A NEW PUMP STATION? NO, THE, THE SEWER GENERATION FROM ALL OF THESE SITES HAS ALREADY BEEN RUN THROUGH. ALREADY RUN THROUGH. OKAY. YEP. ALRIGHT. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE HELD UP BY THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT IN ANY WAY. THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES, UH, THE SEWER, THE WATER, AND THE STORM WATER. YEAH. SO IF THAT, IF THAT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, THE SHEETS COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD. BUT THAT IS ALSO THE DEVELOPER BUILDING. THE PUBLIX IS ALSO DOING THE SHEET STEEL. SO IF ONE DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, THE OTHER ONE, OR IF PUBLIX DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD, THE SHEETS DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD EITHER. YEAH, BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT YORKTOWN CRESCENT HAS DRUGGED THEIR FEET ON A LOT FOR A LONG TIME OF GETTING THEIR STUFF DONE. THE CAPACITY. YEAH. SO THE, THE CAPACITY'S THERE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE IN FINAL STAGES OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WELL, THEY TOLD US THAT THREE YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO, SO BEFORE YOU GUYS CAME ALONG, I, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT IS NOT THE DEVELOPER CURRENTLY DOING THIS. IT'S REDSTONE. SO REDSTONE IS WHO'S PUSHING THE CART HERE AT THIS POINT. AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE GUNG-HO ABOUT GETTING MOVED FORWARD. I HOPE SO. YEAH. AND, AND YOU AND YOU, AND YOU WANT THIS CONDITION BASED UPON THE CO YEAH, I I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BASE IT UPON THE CO SO THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION CAN CONTINUE MM-HMM . ON BOTH PROJECTS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, I AGREE. WELL, YEAH, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU CONNECT TO BEFORE, AGAIN CAUGHT BEFORE THE HORSE? IF, IF, IF THE SEWER'S NOT THERE. PORT OF JOHN'S . YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL LET THE ENGINEERS HANDLE IT. OKAY. YOU OUT OF ORDER. . ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA WRITE THAT ONE AS, UM, SEWER HAS TO BE EXTENDED TO THE REAR OF THE SITE BEFORE THE CO CAN BE ISSUED FOR THE SHEETS OR FOR THE SHEETS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE SAID FOR THE SHEETS. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, THE THIRD ONE, THE BIG ONE. UM, VDOT APPROVAL WAS REQUIRED FOR THE LIGHTED INTERSECTION, UH, BEFORE SITE PLAN APPROVAL CAN BE GIVEN INTERSECTION. MM-HMM . WERE WE TAKING THAT THE ADDITIONAL LEVEL WITH THE CO OR WE JUST LEAVING? WE'RE JUST LEAVING IT. OKAY. SORRY TIM. THE SITE PLAN WOULD DICTATE A SIGNAL ON THERE IF APPROVED. SO THEIR NEXT, THEY WOULD'VE TO BUILD IT, RIGHT? THEIR NEXT STEP AFTER SITE PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE LAND DISTURBING. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM CLEARING ANY TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT MR. SHEPHERD WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE FINAL ONE, EARL, WAS THE TOWNHOUSE, UH, PROXIMITY. IS THERE ANYTHING REQUIRED FOR THAT SETBACK IN TERM THE SETBACK FOR THE TOWNHOUSE? TOWNHOUSE NUMBER FIVE, THE ROW OF APARTMENTS. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE APARTMENTS. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THOSE A HUNDRED APARTMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. YES, IT DOES HAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN IT. IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT WHEN YOU DIG [02:45:01] INTO THERE, YOU CAN, IT IS THERE NOW NO ONE HAS COME FORWARD WITH THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT AT THIS POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE CHURCH SITE WHERE THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD GO. UM, THE PROPERTY IS PRETTY WIDE 'CAUSE IT'S WHERE THE CHURCH IS KIND OF SITTING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. IT'S NOT PART OF THIS. RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE SETBACKS. THIS, THIS, THE SETBACKS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR RIGHT. THE PDR THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT REQUIRED, WHICH IS NOT TIED TO THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. YOU'RE WELCOME. DID THAT GOT ALL THREE, RIGHT? YEP. YES. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE R 26 DASH FIVE R. SO MOVED. ROLL CALL. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. DRURY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 26 DASH FIVE R TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOEL? YES. MR. HORO? YES. MOTION CARRIED. I WAS LIKE PULLING A KIDNEY STONE. . I WAS GONNA SAY PULL TEETH, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I'VE HAD TWO OF THOSE. I HAVE, YEAH. I'M GONNA PUSH THE SPAGHETTI THE NEXT, UH, [6. Application No. ZT-215-25, Theft-Deterrent Wire. Consider adoption of Proposed Ordinance 26-2 approving amendments to the York County Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24.1, Section 104. Definitions: 271. Accessory uses permitted in conjunction with residential uses; and 272. Accessory uses permitted in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses, for the use of theft-deterrent wire.] APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. AND LADIES, APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING THE USE OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE. AGAIN, CALL ON MADISON. YES, IT'S YOUR LUCKY NIGHT. IT IS. UM, THANKFULLY I WAS ABLE TO GET THIS PRESENTATION DOWN TO JUST FIVE MINUTES, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH IT. . ALRIGHTY. SO THIS APPLICATION IS TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE WITHIN SECTIONS 1 0 4 2 7 1 AND 2 7 2 FOR THE USE OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE. TO QUICKLY GIVE, UM, SOME BACKGROUND FOR THIS APPLICATION, FIRST, STAFF LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE YORK COUNTY CODE SAYS ABOUT THEFT DETERRENT WIRE. THE CODE CURRENTLY PROHIBITS THE USE OF BARBED WIRE OR ELECTRIFIED WIRE, OR SIMILAR TYPE FENCES EXCEPT WHEN USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. SECTION 24.1 DASH 2 7 2 ESTABLISHES ACCESSORY USES PERMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. IN STATES, LAND USE IS NOT LISTED IN THE SECTION ARE AND NOT DEEMED SIMILAR TO A LISTED USE, SHALL BE DEEMED NOT ALLOWED AS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ACCESSORY USES. SO BECAUSE OF THIS, HISTORICALLY, THE COUNTY HAS INTERPRETED, UH, THE CODE'S LACK OF REFERENCE TO THEFT, DETERRENT WIRE, AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AS AN INDICATION OF IT NOT BEING AUTHORIZED. HOWEVER, SOME OF THE COUNTY'S BUSINESSES HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO USE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND RESTRICT ACCESS TO DANGEROUS EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY. SO THAT GOES INTO WHAT IS PROPOSED TO YOU TONIGHT. IF APPROVED, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD CHANGE THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE BY ONE, ADDING A DEFINITION FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN THE CONTEXT OF FENCES. TWO, CLARIFYING WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. AND THREE, ALLOWING FOR THE USE OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WHILE ALSO ESTABLISHING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THIS USE. THE GOAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS IS TO BALANCE COMMUNITY NEED WITH SAFETY AND AESTHETIC EXPECTATIONS. LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE WERE REVIEWED, COMPILED, AND ANALYZED. THE ORDINANCES ANALYZED INCLUDE NORFOLK, PETERSBURG, HAMPTON, NEWPORT, NEWS FAIRFAX, STAFFORD, JAMES CITY, AND GLOUCESTER. AND ALSO A WORK SESSION WAS CONDUCTED ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025 WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ORDINANCE A SUBCOMMITTEE. DURING THE MEETING, CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS WERE DISCUSSED RELATING TO RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND HOW CITIZENS COULD REQUEST FOR AN EXCEPTION. ALRIGHT, SO NOW GOING INTO, UM, THE SUMMARY AND EXP EXPLANATION OF THE SECTION CHANGES. SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD INCLUDE PRECISE DEFINITIONS TO ENSURE THERE IS NO LEGAL AMBIGUITY REGARDING WHAT QUALIFIES THEFT DETERRENT WIRE. SO THE DEFINITION, UM, OH, EXCUSE ME. UH, THE DEFINITION IS TO PROPOSE, UM, INCLUDING SECURITY FENCING MATERIALS THAT DETER UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY BY MEANS OF SHARP EDGES, ELECTRICAL CHARGE OR SPECIALIZED CONSTRUCTION THAT IMPEDES CLIMBING, CUTTING, OR BREACHING. SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES ARE RAZOR WIRE AND BARBED WIRE, CONCERTINA WIRE THAT DETERRENT COMPOSITE CABLES, ALSO KNOWN AS T DCCS AND ALSO ELECTRIFIED WIRE. SO SECTION 24.1 DASH 27 1 J AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS PROHIBITS THE USE OF BARBED WIRE IN ELECTRIFIED FENCES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS UNLESS WITH AN [02:50:01] AGRICULTURAL OPERATION. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SECTION WOULD CHANGE THREE THINGS. FIRST, IT WOULD UPDATE AND REMOVE THE TERM SINGLE FAMILY, SO THAT REGULATIONS APPLY TO ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THE SECOND CHANGE WOULD REPLACE THE TERMS BARBED WIRE OR ELECTRIFIED FENCE WITH THEFT DETERRENT WIRE, SO IT ENCOMPASSES ADDITIONAL SECURITY FENCING MATERIALS. AND LASTLY, THE THIRD REVISION WOULD INCREASE CLARITY OF, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS BY REPLACING THE PHRASE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION WITH WHEN USED FOR GARDENING OPERATIONS OR TO SECURE DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 55.1 DASH TWO EIGHT. THIS WAS CHANGED BECAUSE IT REDUCES, UH, ANY AMBIGUITY AND REFERENCES THE RELEVANT SECTION OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, WHICH DEFINES LAWFUL FENCES IN THIS CONTEXT. IN SECTION 24 7 2 A ADDRESSES THE USE USE OF FENCES IN WALLS IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. SO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THESE SECTIONS. UM, 24.1 DASH 2 72 A FIVE A THROUGH D ADDRESS THE DESIGN AND AESTHETICS OF 13 OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE, SUCH AS WHERE THE WIRE CAN BE LOCATED, INCLUDING TO NOT ALLOW, UM, CERTAIN OUTWARD PROJECTIONS AND TYPES OF COLORS TO BE USED, UH, TO REDUCE VISUAL IMPACT IF NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL OR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS. IN THIS LAST SECTION WITH, UH, SUBSECTIONS E THROUGH F, THESE ESTABLISH ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SETS OUT ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTIONS TO ONE OR MORE OF THE STANDARDS. UM, THE ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTION CAN ONLY BE GRANTED IF THE STRICT APPLICATION WOULD CREATE AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP, UM, OR IF AN EQUIVALENT SAFETY AND AESTHETIC OBJECTIVES CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH DIFFERENT MEANS. UM, SO AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS IF A PROPERTY NEEDS ENHANCED SECURITY, UM, THEY COULD ASK FOR MORE INTENSIVE, UH, USE. SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS WOULD ADD A DEFINITION FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE, PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISHES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. THE ALL-ENCOMPASSING DEFINITION PROVIDES CLEAR INTERPRETATION FOR APPLICATION. THE REVISIONS TO INCLUDE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE FOR DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK AND GARDENING WILL BE APPLIED TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. AND THE PROPOSED STANDARDS ADDRESS THE DESIGN AND AESTHETICS OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTIONS. SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 26 DASH TWO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ANY BOARD QUESTIONS? YEP. NO. ALL RIGHT. SO THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS CLARIFIES USE OF RESIDENTIAL, GOT TO HAVE, UM, GARDEN OR LIVESTOCK. BUT DOES IT TALK TO, IF YOU MEET THOSE CONDITIONS, WHAT THAT FENCING SHOULD LOOK LIKE? IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY TAKES A TOMATO PLANT, PUTS IT IN A POT, PUTS IT IN MIDDLE OF HIS YARD, AND NOW WANTS TO 12 FOOT HIGH WIRE WITH ELECTRICITY AND, AND RAZOR WIRE ACROSS THE TOP. HOW, HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT IS APPLICABLE IN, IN A SCENARIO IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA? JUST RESIDENTIAL. UM, LET ME THINK. I KNOW THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL FENCING, THERE ARE STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL REGARDING FENCING. UM, BUT IF WE COULD ADD AN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL TO SAY, HEY, IT CAN'T BE NO RAZOR WIRE ABOVE, YOU KNOW, SIX FEET OF THE FENCING, UM, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, KIND OF HOW WE DID IT IN THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. UM, SO TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK WITH YOU, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. UM, YES, IT HAS TO MEET THE VIRGINIA STATE CODE SECTION FOR LIVESTOCK. AND THAT, LET'S SEE, WHAT WAS THE SECTION? OKAY, SO THAT, BUT THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR PUTTING A FENCE UP WHEN I'M ASKING ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT FENCE LOOK LIKE. AGAIN, THEY GET A CHICKEN IN ON THE THIRD ACRE LOT AND, AND THEY USE THAT AS A REASON TO PUT UP A 12 FOOT WIRE FENCE ALL AROUND THEIR PROPERTY LINE. DO WE WANT THAT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS? I DON'T THINK SO. SO DO, IS THERE ANY EXPECTATION OF IF YOU MEET THOSE CRITERIA OF RESIDENTIAL, WHAT THAT TIONS SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND, AND HOW IS IT LIMITED? RIGHT. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE STATE CODE STANDARDS, IT DOES HAVE LISTED OUT THAT IT CAN'T BE LIKE A NUMBER OF WIRES. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT HAS KIND OF THE HEIGHT STANDARD. UM, SO WE COULD PROPOSE A REVISION OF THE CODE TO [02:55:01] ADD THESE CONCERNS IN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, YOU GOTTA COME UP AND TALK UP HERE. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU DOWN THERE NOR EARL. UM, WE'RE GONNA LOOK UP THE STATE CODE TO SEE IF IT ADDRESSES YOUR CONCERNS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, ONE, LET ME GO AHEAD. OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THE, THE IDEA OF THIS WIRE WAS DESIGNED WAS, WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO PROTECT BUSINESSES. OKAY. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS IN A PLATTED RESIDENTIAL AREA. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD PUT THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A FARM. OKAY. BUT YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, WE ALLOW CHICKENS, WHICH CONSIDERED THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED A FARM ANIMAL. SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE PUTTING UP, UH, BARB WIRE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU PUT THAT UP FOR CHICKENS, BUT ANYWAY, UM, OR PAYMENTS OUT. IT, IT MAY BE AN EXCUSE FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BUT THEY USE THE CHICKEN OR THE TOMATO PLANT IS AN EXCUSE TO PUT UP LARGER FENCE. I DON'T, DON'T, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE IN OUR RESIDE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NO, WE, NO, WE DON'T. I DON'T, I I AGREE. I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. RIGHT. IT'S DESIGNED FOR TO PROTECT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S EXPOSED. IT COULD BE. NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU END UP WITH WHAT WE DO HERE WITH OUR REZONING. A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL END UP PUTTING BUSINESSES CLOSE TO SOMETIMES RESIDENTS OR RESIDENTS CLOSE TO BUSINESS. THAT'S A PROBLEM. BUT IT'S THE, AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS TO PROTECT THE BUSINESS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, LOOK HOW IT LOOKS, UM, THE INVISIBLE FENCE, THEY GOT AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. THIS, THIS IN HERE. UH, IT'S A BLACK ONE. IT'S BLACK. OKAY. YEP. IF YOU, IF YOU, YOU COLOR IT BLACK, IT'S, IT BECOMES INVISIBLE. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT. IF YOU LEAVE IT SHINY, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA KNOW. THEN YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE A MILITARY, MILITARY FENCE. OKAY. SO IF, IF WE WANTED TO, MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, WOULD BE JUST MAKE A, IT HAVE TO BE A, IF IT'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE NEAR COER, I MEAN RESIDENTIAL, IT'D BE BLACK. WELL, I, I, I AGREE. AND, AND THEY TALKED TOO ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING MORE ABOUT OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. MM-HMM . THE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, I'M, THE SLIDES WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE AND WE, WE SAW EARLIER, I THINK WE ALL ENVISION THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT ELECTRIC FENCE AROUND THEIR GARDEN TO KEEP DEER OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOUR FOOT HIGH. THAT'S, WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH THAT. BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS SOMEBODY TO USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO PUT UP A SIX FOOT HIGH WIRE HIGH SECURITY FENCE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE TIRED OF THE KIDS COMING TO GET THAT BALL IN THE YARD ALL THE TIME. AND WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY. I THINK WE NEED TO SET AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO WE DON'T, SHOULDN'T BE IN A RESIDENCE. GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH SHEILA ON THIS ONE. I, I DON'T SEE IT AS A RESIDENTIAL USE. MM-HMM. BUT IT, OKAY. BUT THERE'S A CASE, OKAY, THERE'S A CASE WHERE WE PUT COMMERCIAL UP NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AND THEN IN THAT CASE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'D HAVE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WOULD BE THE BARB WIRE FENCE. BUT THE, BUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES JUST EXPLAIN WHEN YOU CAN PUT A FENCE UP IN RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY EXPECTATION OR GUIDANCE ON WHAT THAT FENCE SHOULD LOOK LIKE OR SHOULD BE. RIGHT. RIGHT. HOW BIG IT COULD BE. DOES YOU, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THE STATE CODE? I KNOW Y'ALL LOOKED IT UP. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN TAKE THIS BACK AND, UH, CONTINUE THE, UH, DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING. YES. I, I THINK IT DOES MERIT ADDITIONAL THOUGHT ALONG THIS LINE. WELL, WE NEED TO GIVE 'EM SOMETHING TO, TO, TO, TO WORK ON SOME DIRECTION. I THINK THE DIRECTION'S BEEN GIVEN. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS FOR INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL AREA? YEAH. IS IT FOUR FOOT HIGH AND ELECTRIC, LIKE, LIKE SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE OR IS IT, OR SOMEBODY HAS A SINGLE CHICKEN IN THEIR YARD AND THEY WANT TO PUT A I JUST SEE THE THING IS WHY IS IT IN RESIDENTIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE? THIS IS A HONEY, I DON'T THINK YOU SPEAK WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT THIS IS, THE WHOLE THING WAS NOT DESIGNED. THIS WHOLE PROPOSAL WAS NOT DESIGNED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL USE. THEN, THEN COMMERCIAL USE AND IT'S COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL USE. THEY'RE CHANGING THE AUDIENCE. EXCUSE ME. THE RESIDENTIAL USE IS ALREADY IN THERE. IT'S FOR BONAFIDE AGRICULTURE AND WE'VE CLARIFIED THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET THE STATE CODE SECTION. STATE CODE SECTION SAYS FIVE FEET CAN, FIVE FEET IS THE, IS THE HEIGHT. AND IT TALKS ABOUT LIKE IF YOU'RE JUST HAVE BARBED WIRE, YOU CAN, YOUR STRANDS HAVE TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE APART AND IT HAS DIFFERENT, UM, REGULATIONS FOR DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK. AND THEN THEY GET INTO FURTHER REGULATIONS WHEN YOU GET INTO CATTLE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THAT'S WHY WE CITED THAT SECTION. 'CAUSE IT SPECIFICALLY DEALT WITH DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK IN THAT, THAT WAY. BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. IF, IF YOU WANT TO BE EVEN FURTHER, LET, LET ME LET, LET BRING HIS POINT UP. DO WE ALREADY HAVE BARB WIRE BEING USED? OKAY. THIS IS ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. YOU GO OUT THERE ON, UH, ON, ON, UH, [03:00:01] UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD, BARB WIRE DOWN BOTH SIDES. YOU GO DOWN ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT BARB WIRES ALREADY THERE. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT THE HIDDEN KIND. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S A SILVERY, THE SILVERY FINISH. SO, OH, RUSTY. NOW ONE'S ON A ROAD AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THIS. IT'S RUSTED, RIGHT? RUST. UM, AND, AND, UH, I, SO THE WHOLE, THE, AGAIN, THE WHOLE FOCUS OF THIS WAS NOT TO BE USED IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR PROTECTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. RIGHT. AND WE'RE NOT, THE CHANGES THAT WE PROPOSED ARE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST MAKING SOME CLARIFICATIONS IN THERE BECAUSE WE HAD IN THERE THAT IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY ONLY. SO WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T REALLY SPECIFYING. WE JUST HAD, IT WAS A BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL USE. SO WE WANTED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC. THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE, THE, UM, AGRICULTURE. IF YOU WANNA REMOVE IT FROM RESIDENTIAL USE, I MEAN, WE CAN, I'M OKAY WITH THAT CLARIFICATION. RIGHT. I JUST, WE JUST NEED TO KIND OF SET THE EXPECTATION OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANNA COME HOME ONE DAY NO. AND, AND PULLING YOUR DRIVEWAY AND YOU'RE FACED WITH A SIX FOOT TALL RAISE A LOT OF FENCE RIGHT. ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE. EITHER FOR WHATEVER REASON SOMEBODY DID DECIDE THEY WANTED TO PUT THAT UP THERE. NOBODY WANTS THAT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS. WHAT WOULD THAT, IF, IF YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PUT IT THERE FOR THOSE BONAFIDE REASONS, WELL, WHAT CAN YOU DO AND WHAT AND WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS? OKAY. WE GOT, WE GOTTA PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. FIVE FOOT. WELL, WELL, THE, AGAIN, I'M GONNA COME JUST TO THE COM. I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THE, MY CONCERN IS WHEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MEET, WELL, AND THAT'S UP. RIGHT? OKAY. AND THAT'S A VALID USE OF THE FENCING. AND IT WAS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET, FIVE FEET. IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE LIKE, LIKE THE PICTURE HERE, UH, WHERE YOU'VE GOT A MAYBE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND THERE IS A, UH, THE OUTWARD EXTENSION OF THE BARBED WIRE. AND I, I MENTIONED YOU MENTIONED IN THERE, WOULD SOMETHING ABOUT NO OUTWARD EXTENSION. I MEAN, OUTWARD EXTENSION IS A VALID USE OF, UH, BARBED WIRE TO PROTECT THINGS. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THAT'S IN THERE. MARK, CAN WE JUST GET CLARITY ON THIS? I THINK THIS, BRING IT REAL, IT BRING IT BACK QUICK. IS THAT THE EASIEST THING TO DO? I AGREE, BUT THIS DISCUSSION IS, I THINK, HELPFUL TO MR. ANDERSON TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT US TO BRING BACK. SO I DO THINK, YES, IT SHOULD BE CONTINUED UNTIL IT'S DONE. BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS IN THE ROOM WHO WISH TO COMMENT. YES. SO, CONTINUE IT. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND NOW THE BOARD'S DECISION, IF WE WISH TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, DISCUSSION. WELL, ONE, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE YES, I, I UNDERSTAND. I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT GOING, COMING HOME AND FINDING A BIG BARB WIRE FENCE RIGHT. ON YOUR PROPERTY OR NEXT AROUND YOUR PROPERTY. THAT AGAIN, IS NOT WHAT THE I WAS, WHEN I GOT THIS DOWN HERE, AGAIN, I WAS FOCUSED PRI PRINCIPALLY ON THE BUSINESS SIDE. RIGHT. SO I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE BUSINESS SIDE. I THINK RESIDENTIALLY, IF YOU WANNA PUT A RESTRICTION ON IT, MAKE IT BLACK. YOU MAKE IT BLACK WIRE. OKAY. THAT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S CALLED AN, LIKE AN INVISIBLE FENCE. YOU'RE GONNA MEET STATE CODE, WHATEVER THEY, YOU SAID FIVE FEET OR SOMETHING. OKAY. IT'S GOTTA BE BLACK WIRE. ALRIGHT. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU, YOU DON'T THINK YOU MAKE GREEN, BUT I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH CHANGES THERE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT CHICKEN WIRE UP AROUND SOMEBODY'S ALL AROUND PERIMETER OF SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. EVEN YOU DO PAINT, PAINT IT BLACK. OTHERWISE THIS BOARDS GONNA GET FLOODED WITH CALLS AND GOING, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR JUST RUINED THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE THEY, THEY PUT A CHICKEN WIRE FENCE OFF AROUND THEIR PROPERTY. 'CAUSE THEY GOT THIS TOMATO PLANT. NOW NOBODY WANTS THAT ONE CHICKEN. IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON USE OF CHICKEN WIRE OR ONE CHICKEN? UH, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I HAVE AN IDEA OF LIKE, I'M ASK TO PROPOSE TO YOU ALL OF WHAT TO LOOK INTO. YEAH. I'VE MADE A MOTION. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YOU CALL THE QUESTION. YEAH. BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON. I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH DEBATE IN HERE. I THINK WE TAKE IT AWAY AND LET THEM WORK AT AND COME BACK. I MADE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO A A MONTH. YOU GOT ENOUGH INFO? I'LL MAKE A PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. DECIDE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SEE, I JUST, I WANNA CLARIFY. YOU, YOU WANT TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE IT TO FEBRUARY. YOU JUST, WE JUST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE THAT CLARIFICATION. IF YOU WANT THIS TO CON HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN, NO. THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUE IT TO THE FEBRUARY, WHATEVER THE FEBRUARY OPEN PUBLIC HEARING IS. THAT'S A HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED, [03:05:01] SUGGESTION? HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THIS WEEK, THE END OF THIS WEEK. SO YOU'LL BE YOU'LL PREPARED BY ONE OF THE MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE IT FOR THE WORK SESSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT AT THE WORK SESSION. MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC HEARING, HOWEVER, SINCE IT'S A ZONING AMENDMENT AND SINCE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE PRUDENT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. SHE ALREADY MADE IT TO 16TH. 10TH 16TH. FEBRUARY 16TH. FEBRUARY 16TH. CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 16TH. . I MADE THE MOTION TO CONTINUE. 17TH, THIS 16TH OR 17TH. ALL VOTE. WELL, THE 16TH WILL BE BEFORE THE MEETING, RIGHT? I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. NO. 17TH. 17TH. 17TH. YEAH. YES. MY MISTAKE. THANK YOU, . THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026. PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED ORDINANCE 26 DASH TWO. THANK YOU. ROLL CALL. YES. YES. MR. YES. YES. YES. MOTION CARRIED. WE ARE [CONSENT CALENDAR ] NOW MOVING ON TO CONSENT CALENDAR. SO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN WAS TO AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE FOR AND ENFORCER PUMPERS FOR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY. NUMBER EIGHT WAS TROLLEY HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE AGREEMENTS. NUMBER NINE WAS RETIREMENT RESOLUTION FOR MIN AND NUMBER 10 WAS RETIREMENT RESOLUTION FOR CHARLES BALDWIN. DO ANY OF THE MEMBERS WISH TO DISCUSS, UH, ANY OF THESE ITEMS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN. OKAY. NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER SEVEN. COULD WE HAVE THE CHIEF COME FORWARD PLEASE? MR. HOY? CHIEF, HOW YOU DOING THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT, FIRST THING, ENFORCER, PUMPER VERSUS OTHER PUMPERS WOULD ARE ALL, ALL THE SAME. WE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. THE ENFORCER, THE TYPE OF CHASSIS CURRENTLY ARE CHASSIS. WE'RE USING A QUANTUM CHASSIS, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION. UM, WE SWITCHED TO ENFORCERS. OH, THAT'S A BRAND NAME. IT IS, IT'S A MODEL OF A CHASSIS. YES. OKAY. IT'S NOT A, NOT A USE. IT'S A, OKAY. YEAH. YES. OKAY. YES. UM, ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR VEHICLES. WE'RE NEW PUMPERS, THREE OF WHICH TO REPLACE VEHICLES THAT ARE AGENT I IN, IN THE SERVICE LIFE. YES. IN THE, IN THE SERVICE LIFE DETERMINED BY MILES NUMBER OF HOURS TO HELP HELP US UNDERSTAND SEVERAL, SEVERAL THINGS. UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION. OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, BASED ON MILEAGE, YEARS OF SERVICE, ACTUALLY EVERYTHING INCLUDING UP, UP TO ENGINE HOURS. THESE VEHICLES, THE THREE, THREE OF THEM WILL BE REPLACING A 2003 WITH OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES. UM, AND TWO 2000 AND EIGHTS, WHICH HAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES ON IT. UM, IF YOU TAKE THAT AND LOOK AT THE SERVICE STANDARDS AND WORK, WORK IN THE ENGINE HOURS, THOSE THREE UNITS ARE IN EXCESS OF 300,000 MILES. IF YOU USE THE FORMULA. UM, BASICALLY IT'S THE ROAD MILEAGE TIMES 33 IS WHAT THE NATIONAL STANDARD IS. AGAIN, WE'VE RUN THAT THROUGH AND LOOK AT IT. UM, THE NFPA RECOMMENDS FRONTLINE SERVICE. 10 YEARS. WE'VE HAD THE SCHEDULE SET 10 YEARS FRONTLINE SERVICE, 10 YEARS RESERVE SERVICE. SO THESE UNITS ARE REPLACING OLDER RE THAT ARE IN RESERVE STATUS RIGHT NOW. AND THEN CURRENT UNITS, WHICH ARE APPROACHING SOME PRETTY HIGH MILEAGE WILL BE ROTATED DOWN TO THE RESERVE STATUS. AND THE THING TO REMEMBER WITH THESE UNITS IS IT'S A FOUR, ONE OR 48 MONTH, EXCUSE ME, DELIVERY TIME. SO WE WILL NOT SEE THOSE UNITS ARRIVE AND THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD MILEAGE UNTIL THEY ARRIVE. WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AHEAD OF THAT CURVE. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. AND WE JUST HIT THREE AT THE SAME TIME. JUST, JUST THE WAY THE MATH WORKED OUT WITH, UM, USAGE OVER TIME. ACTUALLY, IT'S FOUR AND THE ONE FOR STAY THREE REPLACEMENT. THE ONE ONE'S A NEW ONE. ONE'S A NEW ONE. YES, SIR. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE SCHEDULE. THE THREE STAYS ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE SET FORTH. OKAY. AND THE NEW ONE IS, IS IT NEW ONE FOR STATION NUMBER SEVEN? SEVERAL MORE TIME NUMBER SEVEN. YES. DO YOU HAVE STAFF FOR THAT NEW PUMPER TODAY? NO, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT. UM, YOU GOT FOUR YEARS TO GET IT. WE HAVE FOUR YEARS TO GET IT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRO, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS. IT'S FOUR YEARS TILL WE'LL SEE THESE VEHICLES. OKAY. I THINK WE GOTTA WORRY ABOUT THAT. [03:10:01] I GUESS I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME TOO. AND HE ALREADY SAYS FOUR YEARS, SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT CALIBER. SO MOVE ROLL CALL. MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLES TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. R? YES. AND MR. HO? YES. MOTION CARRIED. [COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS ] NOW I'LL COME BACK TO, UM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORT. MR. HILL. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT THIS EVENING OTHER THAN TO JUST MENTION AND NOTE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, OBVIOUSLY IS IN FULL SWING. UM, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. SAY THE LEAST. UM, OF, OF MOST INTEREST TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THERE'S FOCUSES ON, UM, WHAT, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION IS CALLING AFFORDABILITY. AND FOR OUR PURPOSES, THAT IS GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON OUR ZONING AND AUTHORITY AND AUTHORITY OVER HOUSING, BOTH IN THE TERMS OF POTENTIALLY LIMITING, UH, WHAT THE COUNTY CAN DO GOING FORWARD IN CERTAIN INSTANCES AND PERHAPS EVEN OVERRIDING EXISTING AUTHORITY. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF INTEREST IN DATA CENTERS, UM, AND A LOT OF INTEREST IN REEVALUATING HOW STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS FINANCED. UH, ONE THING I'LL NOTE, UH, AS PROBABLY BE ALL, ALL OF YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE, THIS SESSION, IT IS, IT IS ALMOST CERTAIN THAT THE CANNABIS, UM, LEGALIZATION AND RETAIL STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE APPROVED. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION. UH, THERE'S ALREADY PROPOSALS ON THE FLOOR THAT WILL, UM, ADDRESS HOW MUCH AUTHORITY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE TO, UM, CONTROL, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS. AND THE, THEIR, THEIR PROPOSALS VARY FROM, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS. THE PREVIOUS BILL FROM LAST YEAR THAT WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE ALLOWED LOCALITIES, UM, UH, A REFERENDUM THAT SEEMS TO BE OFF THE TABLE. AND NOW THE DISCUSSION IS HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE AUTHORITY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION HAS A, UM, HAS CONVENED A SMALL GROUP TO DISCUSS THIS, WHICH I'M A MEMBER OF, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR LOCALITY HAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. SO WE WILL HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS ON THAT IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. [COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS ] MR. BELLAMY. MR. ARD. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD TWO REAL QUICK ITEMS, BUT I'M ACTUALLY GONNA ASK, UH, MR. DRURY TO TALK ABOUT THE NO WAKE SIGNS. OKAY. YOU OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF, UH, THE CHIEF AND I AND CHIEF SEGERBLOM HAVE, UH, BEEN EMAILING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE WEATHER. I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR A SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL. UH, SO KEEP AN EYE ON THE WEATHER AND IT IS, UH, FORECAST TO BE VERY COLD THROUGH THE WEEK, SO IT COULD PRESENT SOME REAL CHALLENGES FOR US. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELLAMY? THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE MR. BELLAMY, BUT BEFORE WE'RE DONE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. HILL, BUT I THINK YOU'RE UP NEXT. NO, IF YOU, UM, I WILL [MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD] NOW I'LL GO TO MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD. I'LL START WITH LADIES FIRST. WITH WHO? ME? LADIES FIRST. OH. OH, HERE WE GO, LADIES FIRST. ACTUALLY, UM, JANUARY 10TH, I WENT TO CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY FOR THE GRAND OPENING OF THEIR SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING RESEARCH CENTER, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CERT. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, NORMALLY WHEN I GO TO CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT, I AM JUST IN A FEW DIFFERENT BUILDINGS FOR MEETINGS OR, OR THEATER OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I, I HAVE NOT GONE BACK BEHIND THOSE BUILDINGS FOR QUITE A WHILE. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE CAMPUS, YOU SHOULD SEE HOW THAT CAMPUS HAS GROWN AND THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE, ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR 50 YEARS PLUS 50 YEARS. I THINK THERE'S, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION IS, IS SO CLASSIC AND IT IS, IT IS MIND BOGGLING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT STUDENTS NOW HAVE. I REMEMBER WHEN CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT WAS JUST A DAY SCHOOL, AND IT HAS 30 YEARS AGO, UM, PAUL TRIPLE CAME AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, BUT AT THAT POINT, WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT BUILDING, HE HAD A VISION AND THE FIRST THING THAT HE BUILT WAS THE FERGUSON CENTER. AND THE ARCHITECT WAS PAY, PAY, PPI. [03:15:01] AND HE CAME AROUND TO ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES FOR CONTRIBUTIONS. AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT YORK COUNTY CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO IT, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS HE WANTED. LOOK WHAT IT IS NOW TODAY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. AND IT WAS MORE FUN BECAUSE I WAS STANDING, STANDING OUT, YOU KNOW, WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON. I WASN'T GONNA SIT DOWN. AND A YOUNG WOMAN CAME UP TO ME AND SHE SAID, MRS. NOLL, I SAID, OH, OKAY, . IT TURNS OUT THAT SHE WAS A MEMBER OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION AT ONE TIME, AND SHE'S NOW SERVING ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, OF THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION. AND SHE'S IN INTO MARKETING AND SHE LIVES IN RESTON. AND I THINK HER PARENTS MAY STILL LIVE HERE. AND I, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET ANY NAMES. SO AFTER WE HAD THE, THE, THE RIBBON CUTTING, WE HAD TO, WE HAD A TOUR TO GO THROUGH. AND SO I, I GOT INTO THE, UM, MARKET, MA, MASTERS, MAKERS, MAKERS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, UH, LABORATORY. AND THERE WERE TWO STUDENTS IN THERE WORKING ON USING THEM RIGHT NOW, A LITTLE MACHINE. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO WORK IT ON, ON THE COMPUTER AND MAKE IT WORK THAT WAY. AND ONE OF THE STUDENTS YOUTH COMMISSION. AND I THOUGHT, ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL? AND I, I, ONE OF THE GIRLS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS, THE GIRLS WAS A EUPHEMISM TERM AT TIMES, BUT SHE SAID, SHE TELLS PEOPLE OR TO LOOK OUT FOR THE YOUTH COMMISSION, THEY SHOULD APPLY FOR THE YOUTH COMMISSION. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS PUSHED. SO I REALLY WANNA CONGRATULATE THOSE OF THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION. UM, I THINK STEVE HAS DONE A, STEVEN RONS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SEVERAL YEARS NOW, I THINK WORKING WITH THE STUDENTS. BUT IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW THAT WHAT YOU INVEST IN BEARS FRUIT AND SEEING THESE TWO STUDENTS BOTH STRETCH, MAYBE ONE WAS 15 YEARS OLDER THAN THE OTHER ONE, AND THE ONE MIGHT BE THE FRESHMAN. I'M NOT REALLY SURE. BUT IT, IT MAKES WHAT WE DO. WONDERFUL. AND THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL FOR SUPPORTING THE YOUTH COMMISSION. AND I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE PARENTS, IF YOU WATCHING THIS PROGRAM AT ANY TIME, IS TO TALK TO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CHILDREN WHO ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND TELL 'EM THAT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT THEY CAN LEARN ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THEM AS THESE YOUNG WOMEN DID. SO HATS OFF TO THE YOUTH COMMISSIONER AND TO THE NEW YOUTH COMMISSIONERS. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO. THANK YOU MR. SHEPHERD. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS I OCCASIONALLY DO GET TO DRIVE AROUND AND, AND, UH, AND JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THE, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. AND, UH, SOMETHING RECENTLY GOT MY ATTENTION. I'M DRIVING DOWN 17 AND THERE'S A TRUCK ON FIRE, OKAY. AND I WENT, OKAY, WELL NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TRUCK ON FIRE. THEN I'M DRIVING THROUGH ONE OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S A HOUSE, LOOKS LIKE IT'S BURNED DOWN. AND THEN I THEN I HEAR ABOUT OUR CHIEF IS OVER AT, UH, I THINK IT WAS THE FOOD LINE IN PCO, WASN'T IT? AT THAT, UH, THAT IT, UH, IT WAS RIGHT HERE. THE FIRE BREAKS OUT IN THERE IN THE BACK ROOM OR SOMETHING. AND OUR CHIEF IS THE MAN ON THE JOB. SO, AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN I FIND OUT ANOTHER HOUSE IS BURNED DOWN AND RUNNING, MAN. AND I'M GOING LIKE, WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON? AND UH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT GETS AROUND WINTER TIME. I DON'T KNOW. THINGS SEEM TO TO HAPPEN WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE PORTABLE. AND ONE TIME I WAS AT, UH, I WAS, I WAS DOING A RIDE ALONG WITH CHIEF PAYNE AT THE TIME, AND WE WERE UP IN WILLIAMSBURG AND WE GET A CALL AND, AND SO OFF WE GO TO THIS, UH, FIRE IN JAMES C COUNTY. AND, UH, A GUY HAD, UH, HAD, UH, WAS HAVING A THING, I THINK IT WAS, UH, THANKSGIVING AND UM, THEY WERE HAVING A DINNER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SMOKE STARTED COMING OUT OF THE LAUNDRY ROOM. AND HE HAD TAKEN, UH, EXTENSION CORDS AND HOOKED UP ALL HIS, UH, ALL, ALL HIS, LIKE THE DRYER AND THE WASHING MACHINE AND EVERYTHING IS ALL THESE EXTENSION CORDS. AND SURE ENOUGH, ONE 'EM CAUGHT ON FIRE AND, AND KIND OF SMOKED AT THE HOUSE. THE POINT HERE IS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR, BUT IT JUST STRIKES ME THAT WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE HOUSE FIRES. SO I ASK THE CHIEF IF HE KIND OF GIVE, EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON, AND, UH, HE SHOWED PICTURES OF WHEREVER THE HOUSES WERE. BUT THE THING HE POINTED OUT WAS THAT MOST ACCIDENTAL FIRES IN YOUR COUNTY ARE IN RESIDENTIAL, UH, OCCUPANCIES AND ARE CAUSED BY COOKING . OKAY. SO DON'T, OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHERE YOU TURN IT ON RIGHT? TO DINNER. BUT THEN YOU GOT ELECTRICAL FIRES [03:20:01] IS ANOTHER COMMON ONE. UM, AND THEN YOU GOT APPLIANCE FAILURES, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE, ESPECIALLY DRYERS. AND YOU GET LINT IN AIR AND THAT, THAT CAN BE A LOT OF FUN. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE ARSONS THAT SOMEBODY POTENTIALLY WILL SET ON, UNFORTUNATELY NOT THAT MANY. AND THEN WE HAVE COMMERCIAL THAT THE, LIKE THE CHIEF SAW. SO I WAS START TRYING TO START MY FIREPLACE THE OTHER DAY, A, A GAS FIREPLACE. AND I HADN'T STARTED IN 15 YEARS. I COULDN'T GET IT STARTED. WELL, I HADN'T LET, HELL LET GAS BUTTON DOWN LONG ENOUGH, THE GAS GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM. I PAID $120 FOR A PLUMBER TO COME OUT. AND HE PUSHES THE BUTTON, SITS THERE HOLDING, BOOM, STARTS RIGHT UP . AND UH, HE SAID, WELL, YOU DID ALL THE HARD WORK. MM-HMM . GETTING THE, CLEARING IT OUT. THE POINT IS PAY ATTENTION. IT'S THE WINTERTIME. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S GETTING ALL COZY AND WANTS THAT COAT'S ON AND, AND YOU LEAVE THINGS ON. AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY FOR THE CHIEF AND HIS CREWS TO, TO GET OUT THERE AND GET SOME EXERCISE BY PUTTING OUT THE FIRE IN YOUR HOUSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. PAY ATTENTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU . ALRIGHT. UM, I THINK MR. DRURY IS PRIME TO TALK ABOUT NO WAKE ZONE, SO I'LL DEFER THAT TO YOU. UM, I WANT TO HIT UPON, UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT OR HEARD A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT FROM THE ON THE HILL GALLERY, AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, I, I MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE, UM, THE RIBBON CUTTING, BUT I DIDN'T MAKE IT BY THERE LATER LAST YEAR SOMETIME. AND IF, IF YOU HEAR GALLERY AND ALL YOU PICTURE IN YOUR HEAD IS PAINT IS ON THE WALL, YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON A LARGE BREADTH OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF ART STYLES AND WORKS FROM LOCAL ARTISTS AROUND HERE. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO CHECK OUT, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. IT'S REALLY ACCESSIBLE RIGHT ON 17 HERITAGE SQUARE SHOPPER CENTER. EASY TO GET INTO PLENTY PARKING, UH, CHECK IT OUT. UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE, UM, VICTORY YMC ADVISORY BOARD AND THE HEALTHY KIDS DAY SUBCOMMITTEE, AND EVERYBODY KNOW WE'VE GOT THE, THIS YEAR'S ANNUAL HEALTHY KIDS DAY SCHEDULED ON APRIL 18TH. IT'S A GREAT EVENT. UM, A LOT GOING ON THERE. AND I'LL BRING THAT UP AGAIN AS WE GET CLOSE TO THAT DATE. BUT IF YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE IN HEALTHY KIDS DAY, THE WINDOW TO SIGN UP TO PARTICIPATION CLOSES IN FEB IN END OF FEBRUARY. SO IF THAT'S AN INTEREST TO YOU AS A, AS A PRESENTER OR RESPONSE OR WHATEVER, UM, MAKE SURE YOU GET IN THERE BEFORE THAT WINDOW CLOSES. AND LAST THING IS FOR MR. HILL, UM, ONE OF THE PAIN POINTS FOR DATA CENTER IS ENERGY USAGE AND THE WAY THAT DRIVES UP COSTS FOR EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD. WHAT'S THE LIMITATION ON, IS IT THE STATE LEVEL? IS IT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT DRIVES, WELL, IF DATA CENTERS ARE CONSUMING MORE POWER, THEN THEY NEED TO PAY MORE FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO EVERYBODY PAYING IT. WH WHERE, WHERE'S THAT LIMITATION? DO YOU KNOW? IS IT IT, IS THAT SOMETHING THE STATE CAN CONTROL? IS THAT SOMETHING COMES FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL? I I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A REAL ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT. OKAY. I CAN LOOK INTO IT THOUGH. UH, UH, THERE, THERE ARE ATTEMPTS, THERE ARE SEVERAL BILLS THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. IT SEEMS THAT THE, THE FEELING IS, IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, IT'S A, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? OR EXCESS ISSUE THAT THEY, UM, DOMINION, DOMINION HAS THE, THE DOMINION AND THEN THE BIG UTILITY IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE THAT I CAN NEVER REMEMBER. THE, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE THE POWER TO, TO CONTROL WHO CAN, WHO CAN INTERCONNECT AT WHAT TIME AND PUT SOME GUARDRAILS ON ALLOWING ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS IF THERE ISN'T. BUT, OKAY. IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. RIGHT. AND THAT, AND JUST WONDERING WHERE DO WE, WHERE THE RESIDENTS GO TO, TO ENGAGE TO GET SOME ASSISTANCE THERE. IS IT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DELEGATES IN RICHMOND, OR DO YOU GO TO YOUR CONGRESS PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON FOR, FOR ASSISTANCE? THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THE RUBBER MEET THE ROAD? OR BOTH? OR BOTH. RIGHT. SO THANK YOU MR. BREWERY. OKAY. UM, WELL, SINCE MARK BROUGHT IT UP, MR. BELLAMY, UM, I WANTED TO MENTION TOMORROW EVENING AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM IS A PUBLIC MEETING, UH, FOR THE NO WAKE ZONE, UM, SIGNS THAT ARE OUT IN THE WATERWAYS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER, UH, OUT BACK MY HOUSE, IN FACT OF, UM, SOME OF THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT PULL BOATS OVER. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT, WHICH DEPARTMENT IT WAS. THERE'S SEVERAL, SEVERAL OUT THERE WERE PULLING THESE BOATS OVER FOR NO WAIT SIGN. AND, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING THAT SIGN WAS, UH, AN ILLEGITIMATE SIGN. SO WE TASKED, UH, MR. BELLAMY AND HIS TEAM TO FIND US ALL THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS PUT FORTH AND VOTED ON FOR THE [03:25:01] SIGNS. AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THAT TOMORROW NIGHT. THE COUNTY'S GONNA GO OVER THAT AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IS THERE NOW, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT HAS NOT. UH, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE WATER, BUT IF YOU'RE A BOATER AND YOU'RE OUT THERE IN THE WATER, YOU MAY WANNA BE INTERESTED IN THAT. UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE THERE. YOU'LL HAVE A, A TIME FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK, UH, ON YOUR BEHALF OR SOMEONE ELSE'S BEHALF. SO THAT'S BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN TOMORROW EVENING AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. UM, NUMBER TWO, UH, WANTED TO ASK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THE EXEMPTION ON THE LIVE IN SHORELINE FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION AND HOW WE CAN, UH, VISIT THAT TOPIC MAYBE NEXT, UH, NEXT MONTH, UH, ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT. I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT TO MR. BELLAMY EARLIER IN THE MEETING. OKAY. SO, OKAY. GOOD. UM, AND THEN, UM, THREE, UH, AND, UH, MR. BELLAMY'S ALREADY MENTIONED IT, THE, THE STORM'S COMING. AND IN ALL INDICATIONS, IT COULD BE A PRETTY BAD ONE FROM WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE, THE, THE, UM, WEATHER CHANNELS THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING. SO I'M JUST TELLING EVERYBODY TO BE PREPARED. GET YOUR GENERATORS OUT AND RUNNING. UM, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR PETS AND KEEP THEM IN, UM, AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR ELDERLY, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE AND, AND CHERISH. MAKE SURE THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF. CHECK IN ON 'EM VERY FREQUENTLY. UM, BUT THIS ONE COULD BE A PRETTY BAD STORM ACCORDING TO THE WEATHER CHANNEL. UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I ALWAYS WANT TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THE GREAT BUSINESSES COMING TO YORK COUNTY AND WHERE WE'RE AT ON SOME OF THEM. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO GO BY VIRGINIA BEER COMPANY THIS PAST WEEK AND Q ADDIES THIS PAST WEEK TO GET A TOUR. AND, UM, VIRGINIA BEER COMPANY IS SLATED FOR A RIBBON CUTTING ON THE 29TH OF THIS MONTH. AND, UH, Q DADDIES I THINK IS GONNA PROBABLY BE ABOUT A WEEK BEHIND THEM IS FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE THE FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY. UM, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE GONE BY THE COOKOUT DEMO, UH, IT'S ON THE GROUND. SO THEY HAD A BIG PILE OF CONCRETE WHEN I WENT THAT WENT BY THERE TODAY. SO THAT'S MOVING ALONG. IF YOU'VE BEEN BY CHICK-FIL-A, THAT'S, THAT THING IS GETTING READY TO GET ERECTED HERE PRETTY DARN QUICK. I SEE THEY'VE GOT TRUSSES ALREADY ON THE GROUND. UM, THEY'VE GOT PIPES IN THE GROUND, CONCRETE'S IN THE GROUND, UH, FROM WHAT THE OWNER OPERATOR'S TELLING ME THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR APRIL. UNLESS THE WEATHER HOLDS 'EM UP. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CHICK-FIL-A IN APRIL. 'CAUSE IT'S MOVING ALONG REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY. UM, AND, UH, TOMMY'S, UH, THE NEW CAR WASH IS COMING ALONG REALLY, REALLY QUICK. I WAS SURPRISED HOW FAST THAT THING IS HAS BEEN ERECTED. SO, UH, ANYWAY, GOT SOME GREAT, GREAT BUSINESS COMING. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THIS, UH, WE'LL GET THIS SHEETS COMING THROUGH AND, UH, THE PUBLIC WILL GET STARTED HERE SOON. START GENERATING SOME MORE REVENUE FOR THE COUNTY AND TAKE IT OFF THE BACKS OF THE TAXPAYERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. DREWRY HAD A COUPLE OF ITEMS, UM, WANTED TO START WITH DISCUSSION ON, UH, PRIMROSE SCHOOL OF YORKTOWN LAST FRIDAY. EACH OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WAS ABLE TO DROP BY FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING THAT WE HELD, UH, AT PRIMROSE SCHOOL. UH, IT'S OWNED BY TWO US NAVY VETERANS, AMBER AND, UH, MICHAEL LEMKE. IT'S, UH, LOCATED ON DRAFT CRAFT AND DRIVE. UH, IT'S PRIMROSE SCHOOL IS A US BASED NETWORK OF FRANCHISED ACCREDITED PRIVATE PRESCHOOLS PROVIDING EARLY EDUCATION, EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. THERE ARE NOW OVER 550 OF THESE SCHOOLS ACROSS 36 STATES. THE SCHOOL OFFICIALLY OPENED THIS MORNING WITH 56 STUDENTS ENROLLED AND WILL GROW TO APPROXIMATELY 200 STUDENTS CURRENTLY EMPLOYING 25 STAFF. AND THAT WILL ALSO GROW TO ABOUT 35 REASON I BRING THIS UP. IN ADDITION TO, UH, GIVING A SHOUT OUT TO THE FABULOUS COUPLE WHO HAVE, UH, STARTED UP, UH, AND ARE RUNNING THE SCHOOL, IS THE FACT THAT IT WENT FROM GROUNDBREAKING TO OPENING IN SEVEN MONTHS. IN FACT, 21 MONTHS FROM THE INITIAL SITE PLAN SUBMISSION TO COMPLETION, THE PRIMROSE SCHOOL'S FRANCHISE DEVELOPER WHO WAS ON SITE FOR THAT, UH, RIBBON CUTTING, MADE A POINT OF PULLING ME ASIDE AND COMPLIMENTING YORK COUNTY ON THE EASE AND THE SPEED OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. HE HAS WORKED ALL OVER THE US AND HAS NEVER ENCOUNTERED A LOCATION WHERE THE COMPLETE SUBMISSION HAS BEEN SO EFFICIENT. SO KUDOS TO OUR STAFF AND MY APPRECIATION TO MARK AND HIS ENTIRE TEAM FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN. THE BOARD HAS MADE IT A POINT OVER CERTAINLY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO FOCUS ON STREAMLINING THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR NEW BUSINESSES. AND THIS EXAMPLE STANDS OUT REPRESENTING THE EARLY SUCCESSES OF THE COUNTY. SO WELL DONE DISCUSSION ON PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS. HOMEOWNERS IN NEW YORK COUNTY HAVE BY NOW [03:30:01] RECEIVED THEIR PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENT AND THIS IS DONE ON A TWO YEAR CYCLE. THE LAST DATE OF SCHEDULE, AN INFORMAL REVIEW WITH THE COUNTY ASSESSMENT OFFICE IS JANUARY 27TH AND FEBRUARY 27TH IS THE LAST DAY TO SUBMIT A FORMAL APPLICATION TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO PURSUE A FORMAL APPEAL THROUGH BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT. I HAVE PERSONALLY REVIEWED OVER 500 HOMES IN MY DISTRICT. BY AND LARGE, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE CORRECT AND FAIR IN TERMS OF MATCHING TRUE MARKET VALUE. BASED UPON RECENT HOME SALES INFORMATION, I'VE NOTED ABOUT ONE TO 2% OF THE ASSESSMENTS, HOWEVER, HAVE NEEDED CORRECTION OR REWORK. NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK UP IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN INCORRECTLY ASSESSED. MY COMPLIMENTS TO CHRISTIE PITTMAN, THE COUNTY ASSESSOR AND HER TEAM WITHIN THE ASSESSMENT OFFICE. THEY'VE BEEN VERY THOROUGH, RESPONSIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN DEALING WITH THE OWNER'S CONCERNS. BUT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS, GET THEM IN QUICKLY. AND FINALLY, UPCOMING BUDGET DISCUSSION. THE BOARD HAS BEGUN TO REVIEW OR RECEIVE A NUMBER OF EMAIL CORRESPONDENCES ON THE BUDGET. THIS CAN BE DONE BY GOING TO YORK COUNTY HOMEPAGE AND SELECTING BUDGET INFORMATION IN THE DROPDOWN LIST OR EMAIL DIRECTLY TO BOS@YORKCOUNTY.GOV. AND I ENCOURAGE OUR CITIZENS TO REACH OUT AND EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR COMPLIMENTS. WE ACCEPT BOTH AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE INPUT. AND AS CHAIR, I'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO, UH, PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK TO THOSE CITIZENS WHO'VE REACHED OUT. WE'LL HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC FORUMS. TWO OF THE MEETINGS MARCH 31 AND APRIL 2ND, SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR, INCLUDE ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD AND FEEDBACK FROM EACH SUPERVISOR AT THOSE MEETINGS. THESE TWO MEETINGS ARE HELD IN THE UPPER COUNTY AT GRIFFIN YATES AND THE LOWER COUNTY AT THE YORK PCOS AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO BE HEARD ASIDE FROM AN ELECTION YEAR. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES. THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD. [CLOSED MEETING] WILL YOU TAKE US INTO CLOSED SESSION PLEASE? OKAY. UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLO MEETING TO PROVIDE A PER, UH, TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS OF COMMISSION. OKAY. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION, UH, 2.2 DASH 37 11 A THREE, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVED, UH, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING REGARDING REAL PROPERTY USE FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, PERTAINING TO THE POSSIBLE ACQUISITION OF SEVERAL PARCELS OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. ROME? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. HOY? YES. MOTION CARRY AND I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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