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THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THE RESPONSIBILITY EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ALL OUR MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, INADMISSIBLE LIBERTY JUSTICE.
UH, LOOK AT APPROVING THE MINUTES.
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HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025.
ALRIGHT, AT THIS TIME IS OUR CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND THIS IS A TIME FOR CITIZENS WHO WISH TO, UM, SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK IN THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRST, UH, PUBLIC
[Application No. UP-1061-25, Lafayette Gun Club: Authorize a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 9, No. 7) of the York County Zoning Ordinance. Request to establish an indoor firing range on a 26.3-acre parcel (GPIN S06b-4802-3797) located at 331 Dare Road (Route 621). The property is zoned RC (Resource Conservation) and R20 (Medium Density Single-family Residential) and is designated Medium-Density Residential in the Comprehensive Plan. Staff Planner, Jeanne Carner, Senior Planner ]
HEARING.THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH AN INDOOR FIRING RANGE AT 3 31 DARE ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 26.3 ACRES IN SIZE.
A MAJORITY OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED RESOURCE CONSERVATION OR RC, WITH A 10TH OF AN ACRE PORTION LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY, ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR R 20.
THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS DESIGNATED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS BOUNDED TO THE EAST BY BRANDYWINE HOUSING SUBDIVISION AND A PORTION OF THE LAKE OWNED BY THE BRANDYWINE LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS OWNED.
R 20 TO THE SOUTH IS KOHL'S HORSE AUTISM THERAPY STATION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CHATS AND PENINSULA HARDWOOD MULCH.
BOTH ZONED RC TO THE WEST IS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
JACOB SPRINGS HOUSING SUBDIVISION AND LAKESIDE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHICH ARE ALL ZONED.
R 20 TO THE NORTH ARE THREE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, WHICH ARE ALSO ZONED R 20 A EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON, ON THIS PARCEL INCLUDES A CLUBHOUSE, AN INDOOR FIRING RANGE, OUTDOOR FIRING RANGES, AND AN OUTDOOR SHOTGUN RANGE.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH A NEW APPROXIMATELY 12,600 SQUARE FOOT INDOOR FIRING RANGE ON THEIR PROPERTY ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 0 6, CATEGORY NINE.
NUMBER SEVEN, INDOOR FIRING RANGES ARE PERMITTED IN THE RC ZONING DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AS STATED IN THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE LOCATED WHERE THE CURRENT SHOTGUN RANGES AND THE SHOTGUN RANGE WILL SH, WILL SHIFT APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET SOUTH.
SO SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 ESTABLISHES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR FIRE, UH, FOR FIRING RANGES.
SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 A STATES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PAINTBALL RANGES ONLY COMPLETELY ENCLOSED INDOOR FIRING RANGES ARE PERMITTED.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES E ESTABLISHING
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A NEW COMPLETELY ENCLOSED INDOOR FIRING RANGE, WHICH MEETS THE STANDARD.THE SUBJECT PARCEL CONTAINS SEVERAL OUTDOOR FIRING RANGES, WHICH WERE BUILT IN 1950 YORK COUNTY'S FIRST ZONING ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN 1957.
THEREFORE, THE EXISTING OUTDOOR FIRING RANGES ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL ARE CONSIDERED A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE AND ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE ANY NEW LAND USE ESTABLISHED ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL MUST COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 B STATES NO STRUCTURE EXCEPT SCREENING FENCES AND IDENTIFICATION SIGNS USED FOR FIRING RANGES SHALL BE LOCATED CLOSER THAN 100 FEET TO ANY RESIDENTIAL LOT LINE.
THE NEW INDOOR RANGE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 134 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE ON PERLEY COURT AND APPROXIMATELY 240 FEET FROM THE HOLDEN LANE AREA.
THE APPLICATION, UH, MEETS THIS REQUIREMENT, SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 50 56 4 57 C OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE PROTECTION OF ADJACENT PROPERTY SHALL BE ASSURED BY PROPER DESIGN, LOCATION, AND ORIENTATION OF STRUCTURES, BACKSTOPS AND FIRING LINES.
WHILE THIS STANDARD CANNOT BE APPLIED TO THE EXISTING LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGES, THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN STEPS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE OUTDOOR RANGES USING PHYSICAL FEATURES LIKE THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND EXISTING EARTH AND BERMS. AS STATED IN THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, UH, WE PLAN TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, ARVID AND LA GURA FOR HOLDEN LANE, THE PRIMARY LINE OF SIGHT FOR THE NEW INDOOR RANGE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD PROVIDE A VISUAL BLOCK RUNNING LATERALLY FROM THE EAST SIDE OF THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB'S MAIN GATE TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE CURRENT INDOOR RANGE.
ALONG THE PURLEY COURT LINE OF SIGHT, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING WILL BE BLOCKED BY THE EXISTING WESTERN BERM AND TREES.
ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING FOR PURLEY COURT WILL EXTEND FROM THE NORTH END OF THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVE TOWARD THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAFAYETTE AND CLUBS MAIN GATE.
THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE NEW INDOOR FIRING RANGE IS TO BE IN THE SAME PLACE AS THE EXISTING OUTDOOR SHOTGUN RANGE REGARDING THE EARTH.
IN, UH, BERMS, THE APPLICANT STATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT MOVING THE SHOTGUN RANGE SOUTH REDUCES NOISE FOR RESIDENTS ON PERLEY COURT.
THE SHIP PLACES THE SHOTGUN RANGE DEEPER WITHIN THE CURRENT EARTH AND BERM CONSTRUCT.
THIS WILL FURTHER MASK SOUND TO PEARLY COURT AS THE BERM IS HIGHER AT THE NEW LOCATION WITH DENSER FORESTATION.
SO SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 D STATES THAT THE INDOOR RANGE SHALL BE DESIGNED SO THAT NO RANGE NOISE IS AUDIBLE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
DOCUMENTATION CERTIFIED BY AN ARCHITECT AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO THIS EFFECT SHALL BE SUBMITTED WITH SITE AND BUILDING PLANS.
IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION FOR THE NEW INDOOR FIRING RANGE DURING THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, OUTLINED IN THEIR NARRATIVE SOME OF THE MEASURES THEY'VE TAKEN TO MITIGATE NOISE.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE NEW INDOOR RANGE WILL EMPLOY STATE-OF-THE-ART TWO STANDARD SOUNDPROOFING.
THE APPLICANT GOES ON TO SAY THE FIRING AREA WILL BE FULLY ENVELOPED WITHIN AN AT LEAST EIGHT TO 10 INCH THICK CEMENT STRUCTURE.
EMPLOY ACOUSTIC PANELS BE ENVELOPED BY A WELL INSULATED BUILDING AND HAVE A MUCH LOWER, LOWER SOUND SIGNATURE THAN THE CURRENT INDOOR RANGE.
THIS DOCUMENTATION IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING INDOOR UH, FIRING RANGE.
NEVERTHELESS, THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN MEASURES TO REDUCE THE NOISE IMPACTS PRODUCED BY IT.
THE EXISTING INDOOR FIRING RANGE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 83 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO HOLDEN LANE.
THE APPLICANT STATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT WHILE THEY PLAN TO RETAIN THE EXISTING INDOOR RANGE, THEY WOULD MOVE A MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITY FROM THE EXISTING INDOOR RANGE TO THE NEW ONE.
ACTIVITY IN THE EXISTING INDOOR RANGE WOULD BE CURTAILED FROM A MULTI CALIBER FACILITY TO A, TO A 22 RIM FIRE ONLY FACILITY.
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NEW INDOOR FIRING RANGE WOULD REDUCE THE, THE IMPACT OF NOISE ON THE CITIZENS OF HOLDEN LANE CLOSEST TO THE EXISTING INDOOR FIRING RANGE.
SO ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 E, IT SHALL BE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LESSEE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THE FIRING RANGE IS MANAGED BY AN INDIVIDUAL CURRENTLY CERTIFIED TO PERFORM EACH, UH, SUCH SUPERVISION AS A RANGE MASTER OR RANGE SAFETY OFFICER BY A FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL, OR NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CERTIFICATION.
THIS DOES NOT NEED TO BE SUBMITTED DURING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, BUT WILL NEED TO BE PRESENTED DURING ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED VERBALLY THAT THEY CAN MEET THIS REQUIREMENT AND WILL PRESENT THE DOCUMENTATION UPON REQUEST.
THE LAFAYETTE GUN CUP IS A PRIVATE ESTABLISHMENT SECURED BY A GATE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A NOX GATE SWITCH ON THE MAIN GATE TO ALLOW FIRE APPARATUS TO ENTER THE SITE FOR EMERGENCIES.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A REQUIREMENT.
THE LETTERS WERE SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS INFORMATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION WAS POSTED TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND EMAILED TO THOSE WHO SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE
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NOTIFICATIONS.AND A NOTICE, UH, SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
STAFF RECEIVED ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT AND FIVE LETTERS EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
SEVERAL LETTERS ASKED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER REQUIRING THE FORTIFICATION OF EXISTING BERMS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ADDITIONAL ONES.
AS MOST OF THE LETTERS, UH, WERE RECEIVED TODAY.
I PRINTED THEM AND PLACED A COPY FOR EACH OF YOU ON THE DAIS.
THE PROPOSED INDOOR FIRING RANGE MEETS THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE AND IS PROPOSED TO MOVE MOST ACTIVITY FROM THE EXISTING INDOOR RANGE TO AN IMPROVED MODERN AND SOUND ATTENUATED FACILITY.
THE NEW INDOOR RANGE WOULD BE, UH, 134 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE, REDUCE EXISTING NOISE, AND PROVIDE A BETTERMENT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 26.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
QUESTIONS, WE'LL START THIS END.
JP, UH, THE ONLY QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP BY A CITIZEN IS THE, UM, THOUGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS APPLIES AND IF YOU ADDRESS THAT, I APOLOGIZE.
SO THIS WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1950, THE YEAH.
THIS STANDARDS WERE ESTABLISHED IN 57.
AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS MADE SINCE THEN WOULD THEN HAVE TO COMPLY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND WE HAVE NO CONCERNS OVER THEM COMPLYING? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
WITH THE, SOME OF THE CITIZEN'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE BERMS AND THE BAFFLES, IS THAT PART OF THIS WITH MOVING THE NEW SHOTGUN RANGE AND NOT REALLY MOVING IT PER SE, YOU'RE MOVING IT FURTHER BACK.
IT'S KIND OF THE SAME LOCATION, BUT IT'S MOVING TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED IN THIS, THE, THE GUN CLUB CONSIDERING IN MAKING THOSE BAFFLES AND OR BER LARGER OR IS THAT A PART OF THIS OR NO, THEY HAVE NOT PROPOSED TO, UH, FORTIFY ANY OF THE EXISTING BERMS OR ADD ANY NEW ONES OR ADDING NEW ONES.
NEITHER ONE BAFFLES OR ANYTHING.
UH, THE, THEY HAVE BAFFLES ON THEIR EXISTING OUTDOOR RIGHT FIRING RANGE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL.
ACTUALLY, MY QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE FOR, UM, THE OWNER.
I'M GOOD TILL QUESTIONS LATER.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, HAVING BEEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR REPRESENTATIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR, THAT'S, THIS PROPERTY HAS A LOT GOING ON.
IT'S GOT A CHURCH, IT'S GOT A COMMERCIAL, IT'S IT'S GOT A AUTISM THERAPY CENTER.
AND SO I JUST AS WE GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONS, I THINK A LITTLE BIT TO MR. BROOKS.
BROOKS POINT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO DO AS FAR AS MORE FORTIFICATION OF THE BERMS, UH, OR OTHER THINGS? I KNOW IT MEETS THE CODE, BUT JUST, UH, WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON THERE, JUST AS WE GO THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, THAT'LL BE ON MY MIND.
MY ONLY QUESTIONS IS TO THE DEAD CLUB.
AT THIS POINT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS, FIRST OF WHICH IS THE APPLICANT, UH, ZEV YORK.
AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONCE YOU CAN GET UP THERE AND YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES.
UH, ZEV YORK, THREE 12 RICHTER LANE, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, UH, TO THE COMMISSION AND THE TEAM.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND, UH, THE HELP FOR US GETTING HERE.
WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATION.
WE'RE CERTAINLY ENTHUSIASTIC, UM, BUT A LITTLE LACKING ON EXPERIENCE FOR THIS PROCESS, SO WE DO APPRECIATE THE HELP.
UH, I'LL WALK YOU, CAN YOU MOVE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE, UH, SORT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHY WE WANT TO DO THIS AND ACTUALLY, UH, ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UH, COINCIDENTALLY.
UM, AND THEN REALLY OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH AND BECAUSE WE ARE BEHIND A CLOSED GATE, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVEN'T BEEN BACK THERE.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE PICTURES AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THE THINGS WE DO.
TALK ABOUT WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE DO, HOW WE DO IT, AND WHY WE WANT TO BUILD THE RANGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BOTH THE CLUB AND THE COMMUNITY.
SO AS MENTIONED, WE'RE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED IN 19 49, 26 ACRES.
IT WAS CALLED COW PASTURE BACK THEN.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE NOW.
UM, WE ARE MEMBER ONLY SWIPE CARD GATE ACCESS.
WE ARE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE, UH, VARY IN MEMBERSHIP, BUT AVERAGE ABOUT 2,800 MEMBERS.
UM, SOME OF THOSE FOLKS COME OUT WEEKLY.
SOME COME OUT ONCE EVERY ONE OR TWO YEARS.
UM, DENSITY'S NOT REAL HIGH DURING THE DAY.
A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THE WEEKENDS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE'RE A SLICE OF YORK COUNTY DOCTORS, LAWYERS, UH, SHIPYARD, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
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YOU NAME IT.WE DO OFFICE OFFER COURTESY, LAW ENFORCEMENT CARDS.
THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY MEMBERS, BUT THEY CAN COME OUT, UH, IF THEY'VE SERVICED THEIR WEAPON, TEST FIRE, NEED TO DO SOME PRACTICE.
UH, THEY HAVE COURTESY ACCESS TO THE RANGES NEEDED AND THE RANGES OVERSAW BY A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, NINE MEMBERS OF WHICH I AM ONE.
I DID WANNA POINT OUT IN OUR BYLAWS, OUR OBJECT, WHY WE HAVE THIS CLUB.
UM, NOT TO, NOT TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT, BUT WE'RE NOT JUST A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, FOLKS OUT THERE SHOOTING TIN CANS ON A DIRT BERM.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PURPOSE AND WE, WE APPROACH IT WITH, WITH A, WITH A LENS OF WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BETTER THE SHOOTING COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT OWN FIREARMS. QUITE FRANKLY.
A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T HAVE TRAINING WITH FIREARMS. WE RUN A VERY STRUCTURED RANGE, VERY STRUCTURED COMPLEX OUT THERE.
AND A KEY POINT IS THAT SAFE HANDLING, PARTICULARLY AROUND OTHERS.
IN FACT, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO REEL OUR RSOS IN A OUR RANGE SAFETY OFFICERS IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE SAME TEAM.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S NO NEGOTIATING WITH SAFETY.
SO, UH, THEY CAN RUN THE RANGE WITH, UH, WITH A FAIRLY HEAVY HAND AT TIMES.
SO WE, WE DO TRY TO KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE ALSO TRY TO DEVELOP THAT HONESTY FELLOWSHIP TEAM PLAY SPORTSMANSHIP.
WE HAVE COMPETITIONS, WE HAVE COOKOUTS, WE HAVE CAMP OUTS WITH THE CUB SCOUTS.
WE HAVE FAMILY DAYS, WE HAVE PICNICS.
UM, BUILDING IN THAT, THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
ANOTHER KEY POINT THAT'S BROUGHT OUT IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, BYLAWS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN, WE ARE ACTUALLY CHARTERED AND REQUIRED TO SPONSOR AND PROMOTE A JUNIOR DIVISION OF THE CLUB.
THAT'S A JUNIOR SHOOTING TEAM.
I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT A LITTLE LATER.
BUT THEY'VE BEEN TO THE JUNIOR OLYMPICS, UH, ON A REGULAR BASIS, UH, FULL NCAA SCHOLARSHIPS TO SHOOTING TEAMS. THEY HOLD LOCAL, REGIONAL, STATE, AND NATIONAL RECORDS.
MOST OF THOSE SET IN THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, AND WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT OUR JUNIORS DO AND THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A FACILITY FOR THEM.
SO YOU ALSO HAVE THESE PICTURES.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE AMPLIFICATION ON OUR FACILITIES, THAT 10 LANE INDOOR RANGE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY A DANCE HALL BACK IN THE FORTIES, UH, WHEN THE CLUB INCORPORATED, THEY, THEY, UM, ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY AND BUILT IT INTO THE INDOOR RANGE, UH, GOING CLOCKWISE BUILDING TO THE HARRIS TRAINING FACILITY THERE.
THAT'S AN AIR GUN ONLY FACILITY.
OUR MOST RECENT ADDITION TO THE, TO THE COMPLEX, UM, 15 LANES, STATE OF THE ART, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF THAT IN A MOMENT.
UH, AT ABOUT THE, UH, THREE O'CLOCK POSITION, THE NUMBER THREE, THAT'S OUR 50 YARD OUTDOOR RANGE.
UH, 23 LANES, I'M SORRY, 24 LANES.
UM, AND IT'S STATED 50 YARDS AND TARGETS AT 25 YARDS.
CONTINUING DOWN THROUGH THE AREA DESIGNATED WITH THE FOURS.
I ASSUME YOU CAN SEE THIS ON THE OTHER SIDE HERE.
UM, UH, THAT'S THE A HUNDRED YARD RANGE.
SO 12 LANES, UH, CENTER FIRE, RIFLE AND PISTOL ON THE 1500 YARD RANGE.
I'LL SHOW SOME PICTURES ON THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT ANY PLACE WE FIRE SOLID PROJECTILE FIREARMS, WE HAVE A FULL CONTAINMENT BAFFLE SYSTEM.
IN FACT, UM, ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, WE PUT A MILLION, $4,000,000.40 INTO REDOING THOSE BAFFLES.
AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, SHOTGUN TRAP AND S***T AND THE TACTICAL SHOTGUN RANGE THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AND EXTENDS TO THE SOUTH.
AS AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE OVER A CADRE OF OVER 250, UH, RANGE SAFETY OFFICERS.
AND THEY ARE, UH, CERTIFIED AT THE LOCAL, NATIONAL AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WE HAVE A ROBUST RSO LOCAL TRAINING PROGRAM, A FULL DAY IN THE CLASSROOM, A COUPLE DAYS OF ORIENTATION SHIFTS.
AND THOSE ARE ALL OVERSEEN BY CERTIFIED TRAINING OFFICER.
UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COUNTY, ALL OUR RANGES HAVE DETAILED LOGS.
WHO IS SHOOTING WHAT TIME, WHAT CALIBER WHEN, UM, IN COMPLIANCE, UH, THE 50 AND THE A HUNDRED YARD, YARD OUTDOOR RANGE, UH, ARE DAYLIGHT ONLY DURING THE WEEK.
WE OPEN AT EIGHT SATURDAYS AT 10 NOON ON SUNDAYS.
UH, PEOPLE CAN SWIPE ANY TIME IN, AND I IMAGINE OCCASIONALLY DURING THE EVENING, QUIET SUMMER NIGHTS, THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THAT.
THE INDOOR RANGE IS BY FAR THE MOST USED RANGE.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SOME PICTURES FROM OUR PARKING LOT LOOKING DOWN THE 50.
BUT THE 50 AND A HUNDRED YARD RANGER ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THE TOP LEFT, UH, CORNER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE AS YOU PULL INTO THE SHOOTING BENCH.
THE SECOND PICTURE OF THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT'S APPROACHING THE SHOOTING BENCH.
AND IF YOU NOTICE THE BERM IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE A VERY
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SLIGHT WINDOW, UH, FOR OKAY, UM, SLIGHT WINDOW FOR, UH, TARGET PLACEMENT.AND THE ORANGE BOARDS YOU SEE ARE ACTUALLY FIVE INCH THICK, UH, 5,000 PSI CONCRETE.
SO FROM THE SHOOTING BENCH, YOU CAN'T SEE DAYLIGHT.
SO NO MATTER WHAT ANGLE YOU SHOOT AT, IF THE, THE BERMS EXTEND ABOUT 40 FEET HIGH, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOOT ABOVE THAT WINDOW, THE PROJECTILE WILL GET CAPTURED IN THE CONCRETE BAFFLE.
YOU CAN'T REACH BLUE SKY IF YOU SHOOT STRAIGHT UP THROUGH THE ROOF.
THAT'S ALSO, UH, GOT FOUR AND A HALF INCHES OF, OF GRAVEL AND REINFORCED PLYWOOD IN THERE TO STOP ANY GROUNDS AS WELL.
UM, AND AS MENTIONED, THOSE BAFFLES WERE REPLACED ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, UH, WITH FRESH CONCRETE PANELS.
ONE OF THE BIG REASONS WE DO WANT A NEW FACILITY.
THIS IS THAT AIR GUN TRAINING FACILITY.
I TALKED ABOUT THE HARRIS TRAINING FACILITY.
UH, THESE ARE OUR JUNIORS, UH, FULL UP IN THEIR SHOOTING EQUIPMENT, ELECTRONIC SCORING, IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK ON WHERE THE PELLET HIT ON A QUARTER SIZE TARGET AT 25 FEET.
IT'S, UH, SETS THE STANDARDS IN THE REGION AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN OUR INDOOR RANGE.
THIS IS OUR CURRENT INDOOR RANGE.
OUR FRIDAY NIGHT ORIENTATION PROGRAM.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UH, YOUNGSTERS PRONE ON THE FLOOR THERE.
THE LIGHTING IS IS MINIMAL, THE LANES ARE NARROW, WE'RE LIMITED TO 47 FEET.
THE NEW RANGE, UH, THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE PROPOSAL, IT'S UH, RUBBER COATED WALLS.
THE SOUNDPROOFING IS MUCH BETTER FOR THE SHOOTER.
WE HAVE STATE-OF-THE-ART, UM, VENTILATION, STATE-OF-THE-ART LIGHTING TARGET CARRIERS THAT HEAD IN AND OUT AND PROVIDE A BETTER SHOOTING ENVIRONMENT.
IN ADDITION, WE'D GO TO 22 ONLY ON THE OLD RANGE.
AND, UM, BETTER SUPPORT OUR YOUTH.
ALSO THE SCOUTS THAT COME IN, THE CIVIL AIR PATROL.
SO THE NEW RANGE MODERN, BETTER DESIGNED, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CLUB MEMBERS.
A LOT OF MEMBERS WILL NOT ONLY COME FROM THE CURRENT INDOOR RANGE TO THE NEW RANGE, A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOOT 25 YARDS ON THE OUTDOOR RANGE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE ON THE INDOOR RANGE, ON THE NEW RANGE, IT WILL.
SO SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE SHOOTING OUTSIDE WITH NO SOUND ATTENUATION WILL BRING THOSE ACTIVITIES INSIDE THE SHOTGUN RANGE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SET, UH, ANTICIPATION TO BUILD UP THE BARRIERS.
UM, BUT THERE ARE ALMOST TWICE AS HIGH DOWN WHERE WE'RE MOVING THE SHOTGUN RANGE.
ON THE SHOTGUN RANGE, IT'S SEVEN AND A HALF AND EIGHT SHOT ONLY.
UH, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PEPPERCORN AND SMALLER THAN PEPPERCORN.
UH, THAT COMES DOWN WITH VERY LITTLE ENERGY, UH, VISUAL BARRIERS.
AS MENTIONED, WE BRING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
WE'D REDUCE OUR USE IN THE NONCONFORMING FACILITY AND WE HAVE AN APPROVED RANGE CALLED THE ACTION SHOOTING RANGE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.
WE WOULD FOREGO THAT PLAN AND REPLACE IT WITH THIS PLAN.
THAT ACTION SHOOTING RANGE PLAN HAS SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION IN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA, NEW ROAD BERM CHANGES.
UH, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANY OF THAT WORK.
SO, QUICK OVERVIEW ON, UM, THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT AND ANY QUESTIONS, UH, OVER TO YOU ALL PLEASE.
WITH THAT, I'LL START DOWN HERE WITH, UH, JP WITH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE INDOOR RANGE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE A LARGER CLIENTELE MORE USE, UH, INCREASE USAGE? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE SELF LIMIT OUR CLUB TO 3000 MEMBERS.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER.
WE DON'T NEED TO GROW, UH, WE DON'T WANNA CLOG UP THE, UH, THE RANGE USE ON A SATURDAY MORNING.
SO WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE OUR MEMBERSHIP IS NOW.
SO YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING ANYTHING WITH THE BERMS WITH THE NEW SHOTGUN RANGE? NO, SIR.
CAN IT BE IN THE PLAN? THE EFFECTIVENESS WOULD BE LIMITED BECAUSE THE SHOTGUN IS TYPICALLY, UM, IN A CONE WHERE THE TRAP AND S***T ARE ALREADY FLYING.
UM, SO RAISING THOSE ABOVE THE CURRENT LINE OF FLIGHT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE WOULD BE.
SAFETY WOULD BE YOUR OBJECTIVE? UH, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
WE, WE DO MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND KOSIN IS GONNA, UH, OPEN UP WITH FIRE INDOOR FIRING RANGE AS WELL.
IS THAT GONNA HAVE ANY EFFECT ON YOUR, OR IS THERE APPARENTLY IT'S POPULAR THESE
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DAYS.UM, YEAH, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE STATUS OF THE RANGE IN OCN.
UM, WE'RE MEMBERSHIP ONLY, SO IF OUR MEMBERS WANNA SHOOT IN OCN, THEY'RE CERTAIN, CERTAINLY WELCOME TO, BUT I DON'T EXPECT IT'LL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OUR MEMBERSHIP.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU SEEN THE LETTERS THAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS? I HAVE NOT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM.
UH, ONE I'M CURIOUS, YOUR RANGE SAFETY OFFICERS, THESE ARE VOLUNTEERS OR PAID MEMBERS OR WHAT? WE ARE AN ALL VOLUNTEER CLUB.
UH, WE HAVE ONE PAID MEMBER, OUR OFFICE ADMINISTRATOR, BUT YES, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS.
UM, AND YOU SAID THE SHOTGUN WAS SEVEN EIGHT SHOT ONLY? NO SLUGS? UH, CORRECT ALL.
AND YOU CAN SHOOT SLUGS ON THE PISTOL AND RIFLE RANGE, JUST LIKE A, ANY OTHER CENTER FIRE PROJECTILE, BUT ABSOLUTELY ONLY SEVEN AND A HALF AND EIGHT OH OUT ON THE SHOTGUN RANGE.
I, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, SO ONE QUESTION HAD TO DO THE SHOTGUN RANGE.
AND, UH, GUESS I TURNED MY MIC ON SO YOU CAN HEAR ME.
UH, WE USED TO DO S***T, BUT THAT, UH, BASICALLY INCLUDES HIGHER ANGLE SHOTS AND WE WERE GETTING THE SHOT GOING OFF THE RANGE.
SO PROBABLY 10, 12 YEARS AGO BEFORE MY TIME WE CLOSED THE S***T RANGE.
UH, WE DESIGNED THE FIVE STANDARD.
MATTER OF FACT, WE BROUGHT A, A GENTLEMAN IN FROM NORTH CAROLINA TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BIRD ANGLES AND THE SHOT ANGLES KEPT A SHOT IN THAT CONE DOWN ON OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE RANGE OF TRAP.
DO YOU, DO YOU PUT IN LIMITS ON THE CHOKE? NO, WE DO NOT.
SO 'CAUSE SOME OF THE LETTERS TALKING ABOUT, UH, PROJECTILES LANDING IN BACKYARDS AND IN SWIMMING POOLS.
AND I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM SOME OF 'EM THEY WERE, THEY WERE PELLETS, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GET THERE, BUT I KNOW A, A SHOTGUN WITH A FULL CHOKE, THEY CAN TRAVEL A LITTLE WAYS.
WOULD THE, WOULD THE SEVEN AND A HALF AND EIGHT SHOT, THAT'S MUCH LESS, YEAH, MUCH LESS DISTANCE, MUCH LESS ENERGY.
I USED TO WORK IN THE GUN DOG THING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE IS, UH, GREG PETERSON.
AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 1 38 BRANDYWINE DRIVE IN YORKTOWN.
LIKE I SAID, MY NAME'S GREG PETERSON.
I LIVE AT 1 38 BRANDYWINE DRIVE, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB.
I'M A RETIRED AIR FORCE VETERAN WITH 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE AROUND MILITARY GUN RANGES.
AND I'M ALSO AN ARM AIR FORCE SMALL ARMS EXPERT MARKSMAN, A LIFELONG HUNTER, A GRADUATE OF MULTIPLE HUN HUNTER SAFETY COURSES, AND WAS TRAINED AS A SCOUTMASTER TO ENSURE THE SAFE OPERATIONS OF FIREARMS. I UNDERSTAND FIREARM SAFETY AND ARRANGE OPERATIONS.
THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER THIS PROVISION AND OR PROPOSAL IMPROVES SAFETY AND PROTECTS SAFETY OR PUBLIC SAFETY OR WELFARE? IT DOES NOT.
SINCE 2024, MULTIPLE POLICE REPORTS HAVE BEEN FILED DOCUMENTING BULLETS AND SHRAPNEL ESCAPE IN THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB.
I PERSONALLY HAVE FILED POLICE REPORTS AFTER THE DISCOVERY OF BUCKSHOT IN MY POOL AND TWO NINE MILLIMETER PROJECTILES IN MY BACKYARD.
MY NEIGHBOR HAS FILED REPORTS AFTER SHRAPNEL WAS LANDED ON HIS DECK TWICE.
IN RESPONSE, THE CLUB TEMPORARILY SHUT DOWN THE METAL TARGET RANGE, BUT RESUMED USE AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS WITH MORE SHRAPNEL APPEARING ONLY AFTER THE SECOND INCIDENT.
DID THEY STOP USING THAT LANE? WHEN I MET WITH THE CLUB AFTER THE FIRST INSTRUMENT, THEY DENIED RESPONSIBILITY AND DECLINED TO EXAMINE THEIR SAFETY PROCEDURES.
THE REPEATED PROJECTILE ESCAPES CORRECTED ONLY AFTER POLICE REPORTS SHOW A REACTIVE SAFETY CULTURE AT THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB THAT RELIES ON CITIZEN REPORTING AS OPPOSED TO A PROACTIVE APPROACH.
THE PROPOSAL ONLY CON CURTAILS THE USE OF THE EXISTING INDOOR RANGE, WHICH WAS NOT THE SOURCE OF THE ESCAPES.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL INDOOR RANGE AND RELOCATES THE SHOTGUN RANGE, WHICH IS CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS MEANS MORE SHOOTERS, MORE DISCHARGES, DISCHARGES AND GREATER INTENSITY OF USE, ALL WHILE THE OUTDOOR RANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED THE POLICE DOCUMENTED ESCAPES REMAIN UNCHANGED.
IN SHORT, THIS PLAN ACTUALLY INCREASES RISK RATHER THAN REDUCES IT.
YORK COUNTY CODE SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 57 REQUIRES PROTECTION OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND SECTION 24.11 15 MAKES CLEAR THAT
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A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT AND MUST PROTECT PUBLIC WELFARE.WITH OVER 7,100 RESIDENTS NOW RESIDING IN YORKTOWN, MORE THAN DOUBLE THE POPULATION WHEN THESE RANGES WERE FIRST BUILT, INTENSIFYING OPERATIONS IS NOW MUCH IN A MUCH DENSER RESIDENTIAL AREA, IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH SAFETY.
I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION OR AT A MINIMUM, IMPOSE STRICT CODES INCLUDING INDEPENDENT ENGINEERING AUDITS OF ALL RANGES, PERMANENT PROHIBITION OF TARGET LANES THAT RISK PROJECTILE ESCAPE, CONTINUOUS MONITORING AND REPORTING OF SAFETY INCIDENTS, THE REVOCATION OF THE PERMIT, IF ANY FURTHER PROJECTILE ESCAPES OCCURS AS PROPOSED.
THIS PLAN FAILS THE ZONING TEST BECAUSE IT INCREASES RISK TO RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF REDUCING IT.
UH, NEXT I HAVE SANDRA, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? HI, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? UH, SANDRA CULVER, 1 36 BRANDYWINE DRIVE.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? YES.
UM, I'M HERE TO OBJECT TO THE PLAN OF LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB IS DOING, TRYING TO USE FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH INDOOR RANGE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SHUT 'EM DOWN.
HOWEVER, I AM ONE OF THE HOUSES THAT HAD SHRAPNEL AND A HOLE IN MY SIDING THIS YEAR.
I HAD TO CALL YORK COUNTY TWICE, CALLED THEM ON THE 19TH.
TOOK THEM OVER A WEEK AFTER MULTIPLE PHONE CALLS.
UM, GOT A BUSINESS CARD ON MY DOOR ON THE 24TH WHILE I WAS AT WORK CALLED AGAIN, NO RESPONSE.
FINALLY, ON THE 27TH, I CONTACTED MR. RONE, WHO I KNOW IS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LIVES AND BRANDYWINE.
HE CAME OVER, HE LOOKED AT THE SHRAPNEL, SAID HE WOULD DISCUSS IT WITH THE GUN CLUB BOARD, AND TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE ISSUES.
UH, FINALLY ON APRIL 29TH, A DEPUTY FINALLY DID COME OUT AND TAKE A REPORT AND SHOWED HIM THE SHRAPNEL AND THE HOLE IN THE SIDING AND ON THE, IT'S ON THE DECK.
AND, AND THE PATIO ATTACHED TO MY HOUSE, UM, ON MAY 18TH.
AGAIN, MORE SHRAPNEL ON MY PATIO AND ON THE DECK CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THIS TIME A DEPUTY DID RESPOND AND TOOK A REPORT.
I ALSO CONTACTED MR. RONAN AGAIN, GAVE, LEFT HIM A VOICEMAIL AND SENT HIM AN EMAIL.
HE STEPPED BY ON THE 19TH, SAID HE HAD SPOKE WITH THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB PRESIDENT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ISSUE, AND HE WOULD TALK TO HIM AGAIN ABOUT THE SECOND ISSUE.
UM, NOW THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB IS PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE PLANS THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED IN 2022 TO INCLUDE HIRING, UPDATING THE BERMS, MAKING 'EM HIGHER.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
HOUSE OF 95 HAD A PROBLEM ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF IMMEDIATELY.
I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO 1 38.
THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOT BULLETS AND I HAVE A THIRD HOUSE THAT'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
THREE HOUSES DOWN HOUSE SOLD, HAD HOLES IN THE ROOF.
AND THAT'S IN THE HOUSING INSPECTOR REPORT.
THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB CLAIMS OF SAFETY CONCERNED THEY ARE NOT, OR THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO TAKE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF ANY PLANTS SUBMITTED BY THE GUN CLUB.
YOU NEED A MINIMUM, A SITE VISIT TO SEE JUST HOW CLOSE OUR HOUSES ARE.
MAYBE BECAUSE I'M UP AGAINST THE WATER, I DON'T TECHNICALLY TOUCH THEIR LAND, BUT I'M ONE OF THE, I COULD PROBABLY THROW A ROCK AND HIT THEIR, HIT THEIR WALL.
UM, THE BOARD, YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, HAVE AN ETHICAL, NOT JUST A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS.
THE RIGHTS AT THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB, EVEN AS LISTED AS SPECIAL NON-CONFORMING USE, DOESN'T SUPERSEDE THE RESIDENT'S RIGHTS TO LIVE SAFELY IN THEIR HOUSE AND USE THEIR YARDS.
WELL, YOU GAVE ME, YOU GAVE ME A HINT HERE.
SO
UH, AARON TANA 2 0 4 HENRY LEE LANE.
UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT, THE VOLUNTEER PRESIDENT OF THE BRANDYWINE LAKE OWNERS ASSOCIATION.
I'VE LIVED IN BRANDYWINE FOR 22 YEARS.
UM, WHEN THINGS ARE CHANGED WITH THE GUN CLUB, LIKE A LOT OF IT HAS TO, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.
WHEN WE START REPORTING THINGS LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S CLAY PIGEON PIECES AND PARTS COMING OVER THE TREE LINE, IT'S BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE IT HITTING THE LAKE.
THAT'S, THOSE TREES ARE REALLY TALL.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW ON BRANDYWINE DRIVE IS THOSE HOUSEHOLDS ARE NOT STEAD CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
THEY HAVE SHORT DRIVEWAYS, THEY
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WANT THOSE BIG YARDS.SO THE BULLETS AS WELL AS THE SHRAPNEL ARE COMING OVER THIS HUGE TREE LINE AND HITTING THEIR DECKS.
AND THESE PROPERTIES ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN MOST OTHER HOUSES IN BRANDYWINE.
UM, I HAVE SOME REAL CONFUSION WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, WE MONITOR WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE GUN CLUB.
WE WANNA BE INFORMED, WE PUT IN FOIA.
SO WHEN THIS PLAN, THIS ACTION GUN RANGE WITH ITS ROAD AND ITS PARKING LOT AND ITS BUILDING AND ITS EXPANSION OF WHAT HAD BEEN AN ACTION PISTOL RANGE, WHICH WAS NOT VERY LARGE, THEY WERE INCORPORATING A BERM INTO IT.
THE WAY IT SOUNDS TO ME IS THAT SUSAN CASTLE SIGNED OFF ON THIS PLAN AND THERE WAS NO SUP THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
BUT IN 2013, THEY EXPANDED A DRIVEWAY, PUT IN AN EDUCATIONAL BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THEIR SOCIAL, THEY CAN HAVE OUTDOOR PICNICS AND WHATNOT.
AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN SUP FOR THAT.
SO I'M REALLY CONFUSED AS TO WHY THAT PLAN WAS A GO AND NEVER NEEDED AN SUP.
UM, AND REALLY STAFF IS ONLY TELLING ME THAT SUSAN SIGNED OFF ON IT.
WELL, SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOUR COUNTY ANYMORE.
UM, SO, BUT NOW THEY'RE CALLING IT AN ACTION RIFLE RANGE.
SO, AND THEY'VE PUT A ROOF ON IT.
ARE THEY LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT? BUT I'M REALLY CONFUSED AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE WAY THIS GENTLEMAN JUST EXPLAINED IT IS THEY'RE GIVING UP THE WHOLE PLAN BACK THERE, WHICH WOULD AFFECT, UH, DR.
MCGOVERN'S PROPERTY AS WELL AS BRANDYWINE DRIVE.
I HAVE DONALD STREETER'S CELL PHONE IN MY PHONE BECAUSE THE OPEN COMMUNICATION WAS FOR A DECADE.
I COULD CALL HIM WITH A CONCERN OR, HEY, WE'RE TREATING WEEDS IN THE LAKE.
WHAT'S A REALLY GOOD DAY THAT OUR CONTRACTOR WON'T GET HIT BY? WHATEVER POSSIBILITY.
AND HE, HE ALWAYS TOOK CARE OF US.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NEW PRESIDENT'S NAME.
I'VE LEFT THREE MESSAGES WITH VERY NICE RECEPTIONIST.
AND THAT'S OVER TWO YEARS I'VE LEFT MESSAGES.
UM, SO THEY NEED TO START COMMUNICATING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THEM IN ORDER TO KEEP THE PEACE.
AND AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
MEGAN MCGOVERN, 100 OLD POND ROAD IN YORKTOWN.
UM, I RUN A NONPROFIT CALLED KOHL'S HORSE AUTISM THERAPY STATION.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD PUT THAT MAP BACK UP.
BUT, UM, AT THE BOTTOM, THE THE SOUTHERN PART, I'M THE BIG RECTANGLE.
IT'S ABOUT 17 AND A HALF ACRES, UH, THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY HAS CHILDREN, SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN, THEIR FAMILIES, THERAPY HORSES.
UH, AND MY STAFF, UH, ROAMING THE PROPERTY MONDAY, WELL, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
THE BOTTOM THAT AND WHERE THE PROPERTY COMES RIGHT UP NEXT TO MINE, IN THE LEFT PART, THERE'S A BIG BERM, LITERALLY RIGHT BEHIND THERE.
WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR SENSORY CLASSROOM WHERE WE HAVE AN OUTDOOR CHALKBOARD, SENSORY POND, OBSERVATORY STATIONS SWINGS, UH, A MAILBOX THAT THE KIDS RIDE UP TO ON A HILL, ANOTHER BIG HILL THAT HAS A SWING ON IT, AND THE WATER'S THERE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT A ANTI-GUN PERSON.
I'M PRIOR NAVY SHARP SHOOTER, BEEN SHOOTING SINCE I WAS A CHILD WITH MY FATHER.
UM, MY ONLY, UH, URGE HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY.
THE ENTIRE THING IS, UM, FIVE MILES OF TRAILS TO THE PART THAT COMES UP NEXT TO PENINSULA HARWOOD MULCH AND LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB.
THERE'S FIVE MILES OF TRAILS BACK THERE.
OUTDOOR SENSORY CLASSROOM, A BRIDGE THAT THE LIFE NEW, NEW TRAIL, NEW LIFE, WHICH IS A BOY SCOUT GROUP BUILT.
UH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE CHILDREN, SPECIAL NEEDS, CHILDREN AND HORSES THERE ALL DAY LONG, EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THERE'S MORE BERM OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE PUT UP, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE RANGE IS BEING PUT CLOSER TO MY PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S, I JUST WANT A LITTLE MORE PROTECTION SO THAT I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT, I KNOW A KID BEING SHOT ON THE HORSE
AND I HAVE KANE JEFFERSON, I CAN'T READ YOUR FIRST NAME VERY WELL IF IT'S GOOD EVENING, SIR.
I'M KARE JEFFERSON AT ONE 14 HOLDEN LANE.
AND, UM, I, I AM AN AIR FORCE.
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STATIONED AT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, AND I HAVE LIKE A LOT OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS, I HAVE, UM, A LOT OF, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH GUNS AND, AND SHOOTING.UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT YORK COUNTY HAS ALLOWED THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB TO GRADE THEIR OWN HOMEWORK.
UM, THEY'VE ALLOWED THEM TO GRADE THEIR OWN HOMEWORK IN TERMS OF SAFETY.
THEY'VE ALLOWED THEM TO GRADE THEIR OWN HOMEWORK.
IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, AND AGAIN, I ECHO SOME OF MY, UH, UH, NEIGHBORS AND FINDING, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIOUS DEBRIS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THIS PLANNING BOARD OR YORK COUNTY IN GENERAL.
SO, UH, IN THE MILITARY WE ALWAYS HAVE THIS SAYING AT WHAT COST ARE WE TRYING TO, UH, ALLOW THINGS TO BE DONE AT WHAT COST TO THE RESIDENTS AND TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE? ARE WE GONNA ALLOW LAFAYETTE GUN RANGE? WHO CONTINUES TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE? BY THE WAY, THEY CONTINUE TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THEY CAN'T KEEP A, A CONSISTENT STORY AND THEY CAN'T, THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK YOUR COUNTY NEEDS TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR RESIDENTS FIRST AND NOT THE NEEDS OF A, OF A, UH, GUN CLUB.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DECREASING OUR HOME PROPERTY VALUES.
AND SO I WOULD ALSO ASK THIS PLANNING BOARD IN YOUR COUNTY IN ADD IN, IN GENERAL TO CONSIDER REDUCING OUR PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ENJOY OUR HOMES THE WAY THAT WE PLAN TO, THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AND ENJOY HAVING OUR KIDS IN THE, IN THE WONDERFUL SCHOOL JURISDICTION THAT IS YORK COUNTY.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE DETERIORATION THAT LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB BRINGS TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY'VE ONLY INCREASED IT.
SO I THINK A LOT OF US MAY, UM, HAVE WENT INTO BUYING OUR HOMES WITH CERTAIN UNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB, BUT THEY HAVE CERTAINLY INCREASED OVER THE YEARS.
AND THEY HAVE NO STRATEGIC MESSAGING, NO NARRATIVE, NO PLAN, AND NO OUTSIDE ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND AGAIN, THEY'RE GRADING THEIR HOMEWORK.
SO I ASK RESPECTFULLY, ASK THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER YOUR COUNTY.
YOUR COUNTY IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO RECRUIT THE BEST TALENT, AND WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT BY EXPANDING, UH, THE HOT MESS.
TO BE FRANK, THAT IS LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB.
THAT'S ALL OF THE SHEETS I HAVE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WILLING, WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET'S SWITCH ASIDE, START DOWN HERE.
HAPPY TO GET, GET YOU STARTED.
UM, I, I'M VIEWING THIS AS TWO DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. UH, ONE IS A, YES, I'D LIKE TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY.
AND THE NEW FACILITY, NO ONE REALLY HAS PROBLEMS WITH THAT BUILDING IN THE WAY THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED.
THE CONCERNS WHICH ARE SEEM TO BE VERY VALID AND SEEM TO BE MANY ARE THE EXISTING OPERATION AND HOW TO RECTIFY THAT, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY ISN'T BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT, BUT IT COULD CERTAINLY BE A PLACE TO GET THE BALL ROLLING TO TRY TO RECTIFY SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
THE, UM, AS, AS I'M VIEWING IT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NEW FACILITY.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS WHO, UH, HAVE VALID CONCERNS OVER THE CURRENT OPERATION.
UH, I CONCUR, UM, COMMISSIONER KRINER ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT.
I GREW UP HUNTING FROM AN ARMY VETERAN.
I FIRED EVERY WEAPON AND ROUND FROM HANDGUNS TO HOWITZERS.
UH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WEAPONS.
UM, I TOO BELIEVE THAT THIS, THE NEW INDOOR FACILITY HA DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, UH, WITH IT.
HOWEVER, THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME, UH, VALID CONCERNS BY OUR RESIDENTS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S, UM, I'M PROPOSING THIS.
I I THINK THAT THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB NEEDS TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, IF NOTHING ELSE, FROM A EDUCATION STANDPOINT, AWARENESS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT MOVING PARTS GOING ON, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID.
SO THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS SURROUNDING, UH, THIS OPERATION, UH, CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY FIXES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THIS EFFORT, UH, IT WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO DO SO.
UH, NOW THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THIS, I LOOK AT IT, IF IT'S SAFETY, ANOTHER 30 DAYS, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HURT IF WE'RE CONSIDERING, UH, THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE INTEGRITY AND CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE GUN CLUB.
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COMMISSIONER KING 'CAUSE HE, UH, DOES A GREAT JOB ANSWERING ANYTHING.AND I'M, HE'S AN ARMY VET AND, UH, I'M AN AIR FORCE VET, SO I'VE NOT FIRED EVERY WEAPON, BUT I KNOW WHERE THE GOOD GOLF COURSES AND MARRIOTTS ARE.
BUT, UM, THE CARPET AND THE BARRACKS, THIS DON'T BE JEALOUS, BUT I, UH, I THINK LIKE, UH, MOST OF THE FOLKS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, AGAIN, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, THAT, UM, THAT, UM, SMALL AREA AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HERE, UH, FOLKS HERE THAT DO DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
AND ANYTIME THAT WE'VE PUT IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE BEST CHANCES FOR SUCCESS IS WHEN THE DEVELOPER OR THE PEOPLE REQUESTING THE CHANGE MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, BRING THEM IN, SHOW THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HEAR THEIR FEEDBACK AND CHANGE THEIR PLANS AS NEED BE.
AND SO, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I, I TOO THINK THE INDOOR FACILITY IS GREAT.
I THINK IT, UH, IS A GREAT ADDITION.
UH, WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, I SPENT TIME OUT AT, UH, LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB JUST TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
UH, AGAIN, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO YOU.
AND I THINK, I THINK JUST A STEP BACK AND, AND TAKING 30 DAYS AND JUST LISTENING AND, AND CAN YOU IMPROVE THE BERMS? CAN YOU TAKE SOME OF THOSE SAFETIES, UH, THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY IS A CONCERN WHEN PEOPLE ARE FINDING SHRAPNEL IN THEIR YARD.
UH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN AND, AND, AND, UH, A GREAT FACILITY A VERY CLOSE BY.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.
THE, THE NEW, UH, INDOOR RANGE, I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
MOVING THE OUTDOOR SHOTGUN RANGE, UH, DOWN CLOSER TO THE, UH, BOTTOM LAND DOWN THERE BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE 7.5 TO EIGHT, WHATEVER THAT PELLET IS, HOW FAR THAT ACTUALLY GOES, BUT I DO KNOW IF YOU MOVE DOWN FARTHER AND YOU HAVE A FULL CHOKE, IT'S GONNA GO PRETTY FAR.
SO A RECOMMENDATION FOR ME, AT LEAST FOR A WHILE, WOULD BE TO LIMIT THE TYPE OF CHOKE TO NO CHOKE, WHICH MEANS THE SHOT, THE, THE FIRING RANGE IS A LOT SHORTER AND MAY BE FROM 50 YARDS BACK TO 25 OR 30 YARDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WOULD HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE SHRAPNEL IF HE WOULD FALL IN OTHER PLACES FOR A SHOTGUN GUN RANGE.
AND I, I AGREE, I DON'T KNOW IF 30 DAYS, UH, WOULD DO ANY GOOD OR NOT, BUT, UH, IT'S WORTH A SHOT, NO PUN INTENDED.
WELL, THE BEAUTY OF COMING AT THIS END AFTER YOU GUYS, YOU'VE COVERED MOST EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO, BUT I, I WELL SAID.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE, AND ONE IS THE, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OF IT, OF A FACILITY AND IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD ORGANIZATION.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE INDOOR FIRING RANGE BEING ADDED, UH, AS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT JUST AN IMPROVEMENT, IT'S ALSO AN EXPANSION.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT STOPPING SOMETHING AND REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING NEW.
WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER FEATURE, WHICH TO ME INCREASES OPERATIONS POTENTIALLY, UH, WHICH MEANT COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS THAT WE HAVE CITIZENS CONCERNED AND THEY'RE BRINGING THOSE TO US.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, OR KNOWLEDGE THAT THE, UH, OWNER OR THE, THE APPLICANT DID NOT PROVIDE FOR US.
UM, POLICE REPORTS WERE PROVIDED TO US, THOSE WERE NOT ADDRESSED, WHICH I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
UM, JUST THERE'S NO PROACTIVE APPROACH AND I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION OF POTENTIALLY, UH, DELAYING THIS AND ALLOWING THAT ENGAGEMENT, UH, FOR OUR CITIZENS WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE, UH, FOR BOTH LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB AND FOR OUR CITIZENS.
UH, SO THAT I ENDORSE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND YIELD BACK TO YOU, SIR.
UM, SAFETY IS THE HUGE ISSUE OF ANYTHING IN LIFE REALLY.
UH, WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF OUR CITIZENS.
UH, UM, AND AGAIN, I, I AGREE TOO WITH THE, WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE, UH, INDOOR RANGE, BUT WE ARE MISSING A CONCEPT OF WHEN YOU'RE MOVING ANOTHER RANGE CLOSER.
I'M SORRY YOU, I'M NOT BUYING THAT.
YOU'VE DONE ALL YOU CAN DO AND IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF YOU PUT MORE BERMS UP OR TAKE OTHER SAFETY ISSUES.
THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO DO THAT AND THAT, THAT IS NECESSARY.
UM, AND I, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUE.
I DO SUPPORT RECOMMENDING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, 30 DAYS, MAYBE 60 DAYS.
THEY MAY NEED MORE TIME THAN 30 DAYS TO DO THIS, BUT, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY, MS. JONES.
ALRIGHT, UM, MY COMMENTS, AND I'M NOT A VETERAN LIKE ALL,
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MOST OF MY PEERS UP HERE, BUT I'M A POLICE OFFICER.UM, AND SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH GUNS AND RANGES AND, AND I DID VISIT THE SITE ON, UH, A RAINY MONDAY MORNING, LAST MONDAY MORNING.
UM, AND WENT THROUGH THERE AND, AND I GUESS I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY.
WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THE INDOOR RANGE AND MOVING THE SHOTGUN RANGES CAN BE ALLOWED REGARDLESS, OR WHAT'S BEFORE US IS BOTH OF THOSE.
THE SPECIAL USE IS BEFORE YOU, UM, THE MOVEMENT IS CONSIDERED BY STAFF SIMPLY TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT OF THE EXISTING PLAN.
AND SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO LET'S, UH, OPEN FOR A MOTION ON PC 25 DASH 26.
UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST TO PROPOSE AN IDEA, UM, OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, I MENTIONED 30 DAYS.
UM, I HAVE A, A THOUGHT THAT IF WE TABLE THE APPLICATION AND GIVE THE APPLICANT THE GUN CLUB, UH, ADEQUATE TIME TO MEET WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS, AND THEN THE GUN CLUB CAN COME BACK AND, AND, UH, AND WE CAN HEAR MORE ABOUT HOW WE ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS, I'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN SOMEHOW MANAGE THAT.
I KNOW HERE, HERE WE'RE HERE TODAY TO, UH, VOTE ON WHETHER THE NEW BUILDING IS A GO OR A NO-GO.
UM, I THINK THE PROCESS THOUGH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE OR ON IF WE HAVE A MOTION, THEN SOMEBODY CAN MOTION THE TABLE IT AND THAT GETS US TO 30 OR 60 DAYS.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE IS THAT CORRECT OR YEAH, I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS APPLICATION.
SO JUST A, YEAH, JUST A QUICK, UM, POINT, POINT OF ORDER ON THIS IS, UM, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE FUTURE, YOU WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, JUST KEEP, JUST OPEN IF YOU'S KEEP IT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
OR YOU COULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT UNTIL THIS TIME AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE LAFAYETTE COME BACK REPORT AND THEN YOU COULD JUST MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALSO WE CAN, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.
SO WE CAN ON A MOTION, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT OR THE FOLLOWING.
YOU GOTTA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WOULD OPEN IT BACK UP JUST TO BE, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
AT THIS POINT I WILL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO FURTHER DATE TILL JANUARY 14TH.
MOTIONS ON THE TABLE TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL JANUARY 14TH.
MR. WAS, MR WAS THE MOTION BY MR. WASSER IS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO JANUARY 14TH? MR. BROOKS? YES.
AND WITH THAT WE WOULD, ASSUMING THE LAFAYETTE, YEAH, WITH THAT WE'D ASSUMING WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE LAFAYETTE GUN CLUB TO GET TOGETHER WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND UH, AND COME BACK IN JANUARY WE SEE FOR SOUTH HEAD AND, AND TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THEIR OBVIOUSLY THEIR CONCERNS, BUT AGAIN, THEY MEET CODE, BUT WHAT ARE THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE? SO YEAH.
[Application Nos. ZM-214-25 & UP-1062-25, Redstone Properties LLC: Request to amend the York County Zoning Map and to authorize a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 [Category 12, No. 2] of the York County Zoning Ordinance, by reclassifying a total of 1.82 acres collectively taken from each of four existing adjacent parcels totaling 3.88 acres as currently classified (GPINs Q08b-4736 3301, Q08b-4688-3367, Q08b-4625-3435, & Q08b-4531-3505) located at 7900, 7908, 7914, & 7920 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17) from General Business (GB) to conditional General Business (GB) with proffers for the purpose of constructing an automobile fuel dispensing establishment and convenience store. The property is designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan. Staff Planner, Madison Scalf, Planner ]
MOVE ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.AND MADISON, THIS ONE'S YOURS.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY REDSTONE PROPERTIES LLC IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP BY RECLASSIFYING A TOTAL OF 1.82 ACRES, COLLECTIVELY TAKEN FROM EACH OF FOUR EXISTING ADJACENT PARCELS, TOTALING 3.88 ACRES FROM GENERAL BUSINESS TO CONDITIONAL GENERAL BUSINESS WITH PROFFERS.
AND IT IS ALSO TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BOTH FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING AN AUTOMOBILE FUEL DISPENSING ESTABLISHMENT AND A CONVENIENCE STORE AT 7 9 0 0 7 9 0 8 7 9 1 4 AND 7 9 2 0 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
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THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 17 BETWEEN MARINER'S WAY AND A DRIVEWAY TO 7 8 3 0 GEORGE GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON A 1.82 ACRE PORTION OF FOUR PARCELS WITH ONE CONTAINING A VACANT NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THE REST OF IT BEING UNDEVELOPED.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND FORT SSUS BOULEVARD AND IS ZONED BOTH GENERAL BUSINESS AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS ADJACENT TO THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT LOCATED NORTHEAST, UH, EAST AND SOUTH.
THE BACK PORTIONS OF THE PARCELS ARE A PART OF AN AMENDMENT FROM JANUARY, 2024 TO THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ESTABLISHED APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES COLLECTIVELY FROM GB TO PDMU, UM, IN ANTICIPATION OF BUILDING AN APPROXIMATELY 55 TH THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE.
NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS AN ARBY'S AND A WENDY'S BOTH ZONE G AND SOUTHWEST ACROSS ROUTE 17 ARE THREE PARCELS ALL ZONE GP WITH ONE CONTAINING A VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
LASTLY, DIRECTLY WEST ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS YORKTOWN ARCH APARTMENTS ZONED PD.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION FOR A SHEETS CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, WITH SELF-SERVE FUELING STATIONS AND TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN EXCESS OF 50 GALLONS OF FUEL STORAGE WITHIN THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
BY PROPOSING THE PROFFERS, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS A 6,132 SQUARE FOOT CONVENIENCE STORE AND AN AREA SHOWING THE EIGHT, UH, FILLING STATIONS WITH THE TOTAL OF 16 GAS PUMPS AND AN AREA SHOWING THE UNDERGROUND FUEL STORAGE TANK.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUEL STORAGE WAS NOT INDICATED IN THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS.
HOWEVER, RESEARCH UH, SHOWS THAT A LARGE HIGH VOLUME GAS STATION CAN HAVE A TOTAL STORAGE CAPACITY ANYWHERE BETWEEN 30,000 TO 60,000 GALLONS.
AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ALSO SHOWS ASSOCIATED PARKING, LANDSCAPED BUFFERS, AND THE 200 FOOT WMP BUFFER.
NOW LET'S MOVE INTO STAFF'S ANALYSIS.
THE YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR AS LOWER COUNTY'S PRIMARY COMMERCIAL AND TRANSPORTATION AREA.
REGARDING LAND USE, GENERAL BUSINESS IS A PREDOMINANT ZONING DESIGNATION OF PROPERTY AROUND THE ROUTE OF 17 CORRIDOR, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS, SUCH AS ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
THE SUB AREA DESCRIPTION OF THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 AND ROUTE 1 0 5 AND CHAPTER 11 FOR LAND USE PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NEAR THESE TWO MAJOR ARTERIAL HIGHWAYS.
BASED ON THIS GUIDANCE, THE SHEET'S PROPOSAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES CHARACTER OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE OVERALL TARGETED USE OF THE AREA.
THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE SHEETS IS WITHIN THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION OVERLAY, AND PARTIALLY WITHIN THE 200 FOOT AND FULLY WITHIN THE 500 FOOT BUFFER STRIPS.
ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH THREE SEVEN E OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT STATES THAT FUEL STORAGE IN EXCESS OF 50 GALLONS SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE BUFFER STRIPS, THEREFORE NOT ALLOWING FUEL DISPENSING ESTABLISHMENTS AS THEY NORMALLY STORE OVER THOSE 50 GALLONS OF FUEL.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE PROPERTY AND TO PROFFER CONDITIONS TO ENSURE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION PRACTICES.
FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE ARE WATCHING FROM HOME PROFFERS, OUR VOLUNTARY CONDITIONS PROVIDED BY THE LANDOWNER THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, USUALLY IN RELATION TO SUPPORTIVE MEASURES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO OFFSET ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS HELPING TO PAY FOR A SIDEWALK OR EXTRA POLLUTION, MITIGATION AND DESIGN.
AS OF 2020, THE VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT CASE, ROLAND V.
TOWN COUNCIL OF WARTON, THE COURT DECIDED THAT PROFFERS CAN ALSO BE USED TO MODIFY A ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, THROUGH THE PROFFERED AMENDMENT.
SOME KEY POINTS HERE, PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTARY AND THEY RUN WITH THE LAND.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO AMEND THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AND TO PROFFER ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND WATERSHED PROTECTION PRACTICES, THE PROFFERS WILL REMOVE THE PROHIBITION OF FUEL STORAGE AND THE WMP OVERLY FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UH, BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED, THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THAT THE PROFFER DESIGN ELEMENTS GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, TO ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST PROFFER IS ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY FOR BOTH, FOR EACH UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK ON THE PROPERTY.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT THAT I FOUND ONLINE, UM, JUST TO GIVE REFERENCE TO WHAT WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT HERE.UH, THE PROFFER STATES HOW THE UST SHALL BE COMPRISED OF FIBERGLASS OR STEEL CONSTRUCTION WITH A DOUBLE WALL DESIGN.
THE DOUBLE WALL INTERSTITIAL SPACE WILL BE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORED WITH THE SENSOR TO DETECT AN INNER AND OUTER WALL BREACH
ALSO, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS REVIEWED THE SUBMITTED PLAN IN PROFFERS AND PROVIDED THE COUNTY WITH WRITTEN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED $43,000 FOR ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASED WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT.
THE PROFFERS ALSO PROVIDE FOR AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE SETS OUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN SECTIONS 24.1 DASH 4 6 7 4 7 5 AND 4 7 7.
FOR CONVENIENCE STORES AND GAS STATIONS.
THESE STANDARDS DICTATE SETBACKS, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, SIGNAGE LIMITS LIGHTING, AND THE REMOVAL OF THE CANOPY AND FUELING EQUIPMENT AND TANKS IF THE USE IS DISCONTINUED.
PARKING STANDARDS FOR CONVENIENCE STORES REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND ONE OFF STREET LOADING SPACE.
THE SUBMITTED CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOWS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THEREFORE 31 SPACES AND ONE OFF STREET LOADING SPACES REQUIRED.
THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWS A TOTAL OF 48 PARKING SPACES, HOWEVER, NO OFF STREET LOADING SPACE IS SHOWN, SO THIS WILL BE PROVIDED BEFORE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSED SHEETS IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THAT ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THEREFORE MUST ABIDE BY THE ARCHITECTURAL AND SIGNAGE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 7 8.
THE SUBMITTED DESIGN RENDERING SHOW A BRICK BUILDING WITH CASTSTONE REGAL RED CANOPIES, BRONZE, ALUMINUM COMPOSITE MATERIAL, AND GREEN UMBRELLAS FOR THE OUTSIDE SEATING.
THE CANOPY HAS MATCHING CASTSTONE BRONZE, A CM, AND REGAL RED PUMPING STATIONS WITH A MONUMENT SIGNED TO MATCH SOME OF THE PROPOSED COLORS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED RENDERINGS, SUCH AS THE BRONZE AND REDS ARE NOT ON THE APPROVED COLOR PALETTE.
SO THEREFORE OTHER COLORS WILL NEED TO BE SELECTED TO MEET THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR REQUIREMENTS.
PRIOR TO THAT SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THE IMPACT TO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES WERE ADDRESSED IN THE SUBMITTED COMMUNITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
ACCORDING TO THAT ASSESSMENT, THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT FOR YORKTOWN CRESCENT WILL EXTEND THE PUBLIC NEWPORT NEWS WATER WORK SERVICE TO THE SUBJECT SITE AND WOULD, AND SHOWS NO CAUSE, UM, TO, TO CAUSE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT.
SO THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM, UH, THE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE IS ALSO BEING PROVIDED TO THE SUBJECT SITE THROUGH NEW GRAVITY LINES THAT WILL BE INSTALLED WITH THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT PROJECT.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ANTICIPATED TO PRODUCE SMALL AMOUNTS OF SOLID WASTE, TYPICAL TO A RETAIL ENVIRONMENT, UM, AND WILL PROPERLY BE COLLECTED IN PLACE WITHIN COVERED DUMPSTERS LOCATED ON SITE.
NOW I'M GOING TO REVIEW THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS DURING THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT REZONING APPLICATION.
IN 2024, A FORMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED AND SUBMITTED, AND THE AMENDED PLAN IS CURRENTLY IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
AS PART OF THIS REZONING AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, APPLICATION AND ACCESS CHANGE ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED SHEETS, THE ACCESS TO A FULL MOVEMENT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE SUBJECT SITE DEVELOPMENT IS REQUESTING THE ACCESS, UH, REVISION FROM PARTIAL ACCESS TO FULL MOVEMENT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTION ALONG ROUTE 17.
AN UPDATED SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED TO YORK COUNTY THIS PAST MARCH FOR REVIEW, SHOWING THIS REVISION.
THE TIA MEMORANDUM SUBMITTED TO SUPPORT THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT EXCEPTION REQUEST ALSO SERVES AS A SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT.
VDOT REVIEWED THE LATEST ANALYSIS FOR THE YORKTOWN CREST SIGNAL JUSTIFICATION REPORT AND TIA AND HAS NOT APPROVED THE PROPOSAL TO DATE.
UM, ACCESS MANAGEMENT IS THE CONTROL OF THE VEHICULAR ACCESS POINTS BETWEEN SIGNALIZE AND UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS TO HELP MAINTAIN THROUGH TRAFFIC ALONG A CORRIDOR.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS WOULD BE ROUTE 17, A FULL MOVEMENT SIGNALIZE ACCESS IS BEING PROPOSED, WHICH IS AN ENTRANCE SUCH AS A DRIVEWAY HARNESS SECTION TO A PROPERTY OR CONNECTING ROAD THAT IS CONTROLLED BY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND PERMITS ALL POSSIBLE TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS, INCLUDING THOSE LEFT TURNS, RIGHT TURNS, AND THROUGH MOVEMENTS IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
THE GOAL OF THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THAT DEMAND ON THE MAJOR ARTERIAL INTERSECTION ON OF ROUTE 17 AND FORT EUS BOULEVARD.
HERE'S A PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE MEMORANDUM TO PROVIDE VISUAL CONTEXT.
UH, THE TIA INDICATES THAT WITH THE PROPOSAL, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE ENTIRE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REDIRECTED TO THE NEW FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS, THEREFORE, REDUCING THAT DEMAND
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ON THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 AND FOUR USES BOULEVARD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSAL.PROPOSED INTERSECTION IS AN EXISTING MEDIAN BRAKE PROVIDING ACCESS TO FOUR SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG ROUTE 17 IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FULL ACCESS TO DRIVEWAY ONE.
THIS EXISTING MEDIAN BRAKE IS PROPOSED TO BE CLOSED OF THIS PROPOSED DRIVEWAY INTERSECTION WILL PROVIDE AN EXCLUSIVE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE TO FACILITATE U-TURNS TO ACCESS SOUTHBOUND RIGHT ROUTE 17.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S AN EXISTING MEDIAN APPROXIMATELY 800 FEET TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED INTERSECTION WITHIN EXCLUSIVE LEFT TURN LANE, WHICH WILL PROVIDE U-TURNS TO SUPPORT NORTHBOUND ACCESS TO ROUTE 17.
THE COMMENT LETTER RECEIVED FROM VDOT ON OCTOBER 28TH, 2025 PROVIDES ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS AND ADDRESSES MULTIPLE ISSUES SEEN THROUGHOUT THE SUBMITTED STUDY.
A VDOT PREFERS TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS GREEN T OVER A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL AS IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO STOP WHILE STILL ALLOWING VEHICLES TO MAKE THOSE PROTECTED MOVEMENTS IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
VIDAL ALSO RECOMMENDED A RESTRICTED CROSSING U-TURN.
UH, THIS WOULD U-TURN THE RELOCATED WESTBOUND LEFT TURNS FROM THE SITE AT A LOCATION BETWEEN ROUTE 17, DRIVEWAY ONE AND FORT S BOULEVARD.
PER THE COMMENT LETTER, BOTH THE CGT AND THE RCUT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO COORDINATE WITH THE EXISTING SIGNAL AT ROUTE 17 AND THE FORT S BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.
VOT ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERNS AROUND THE FOUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING MEDIAN CROSSOVER AND WOULD PREFER TO HAVE REASSURANCES ON WHETHER THOSE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTED OF THE RELOCATION.
OTHER COMMENTS ADDRESS THE METHODOLOGY AND DATA USED THROUGHOUT THE STUDY AND ASKS FOR CLARIFICATIONS, UH, IN CORRECTIONS.
SO IN CONCLUSION, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE AUTHORIZATION OF A REZONING WITH CONDITIONAL PROFFERS AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DEVELOP THE PROPOSED SITE FOR SHE'S CONVENIENCE STORE WITH FUEL SALES.
THE APPLICANT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DESIGNATION OF THE AREA FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE HARDWOODS MILL RESERVOIR BUFFER, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND WATERSHED PROTECTION PRACTICES TO SAFEGUARD THE AREA'S WATER SUPPLY.
ADDITIONALLY, THE AGENCY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESERVOIR, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS HAS PROVIDED A LETTER OF APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT.
LASTLY, TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNITY IMPACTS, UH, ARE ALSO ADDRESSED WITHIN THE APPLICATION, AND FURTHER EVALUATION WILL OCCUR TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.
SO DUE TO THESE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, IT'S NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBERS PC 25 DASH 27 AND PC 25 DASH 28.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS ALSO HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
LET'S START, JP, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
ONE, UH, THE WATERSHED, THE CONCERN WAS ADDRESSED.
UM, IT, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THERE, THERE THEY EXPRESSED CONCERN, UH, OVER IMPACTS, POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON EXISTING, UH, RETAIL.
HOW WAS THAT ADDRESSED IN, UM, THE APPLICATION ITSELF AS FAR IS IT IS A USE CONDITION? HOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL? SO IN THE SITE PLAN, UH, PROCESS, THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE VDOT STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY.
SO IN, IN THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS, THAT'S WHERE THE, THIS PROBLEM WOULD GET MITIGATED.
SO THE, THE V DOT'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO HAVE REASSURANCES ON WHETHER THESE BUSINESSES WERE GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE, UH, OF THE APPLICATION.
HAS THAT BEEN ACCOMPLISHED OR IS THAT A CONDITION WHICH BEING PLACED? FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
WE DID SEND LETTERS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THESE APPLICATIONS.
UM, AS OF NOW, A RESUBMITTAL FOR THE VDOT APPROVAL, UM, HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FROM MY KNOWLEDGE.
MADISON, HOW MANY FEET FROM STOPLIGHT FROM FORT USES TO THE NEW TRAFFIC CENTER, IS THAT ABOUT 1,800 OR WHAT IS IT? IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT 1200 FEET.
UM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY VDOT WOULD LIKE A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL THAN A SIGNAL.
UM, BECAUSE WITH THEIR STANDARDS, THEY LIKE TO HAVE 2000 FEET BETWEEN, UH, TWO SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS.
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ALRIGHT, LET'S START CLOSE HERE AND SEE WHAT CLOSE.THE, THE TWO, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES WERE, WERE A COUPLE OF MINE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAD.
THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, EXCUSE ME IF YOU MENTIONED IT.
I, I, I DON'T RECALL, BUT THE, THE WHOLE PUBLIC'S DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEIR TRANSPORTATION, UM,
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE COMBINED WITH THE WHOLE CIRCULATION PROCESS OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE EXISTING WENDY'S AND ARBY'S AND, CORRECT.
SO THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS A PART OF THE WHOLE YORKTOWN CRESCENT DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE PUBLIC, WHICH INCLUDES THE PUBLIC, CORRECT? MM-HMM
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
TRAFFIC WAS MY CONCERN, BUT THAT'LL GET TAKEN CARE OF.
WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND TIM TRENT.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND UH, ADDRESS PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS TIM TRANENT, ATTORNEY WITH KAUFMAN AND KNOLLS ADDRESS AT, UH, 48 0 1 COURTHOUSE STREET IN WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE WITH US, UH, TO HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, OBVIOUSLY ARE LISTED THERE AND, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
BUT, UH, I'LL FIRST INTRODUCE THE REDSTONE TEAM WITH US OR JOHN SCHWARTZ AND MAYA TAYLOR WHO'VE, UH, VISITING US FROM, FROM FLORIDA.
UH, A MUCH, MUCH, UH, WARMER AND SUNNIER PLACE AT THE MOMENT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, HENRY SELLS WITH TIMMONS IS OUR TRAFFIC OR IS OUR, UH, CIVIL DESIGN ENGINEERING GROUP.
AND THEN, UH, KAREN MCPHERSON WITH VHB IS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE REPRESENTING SHEETS TONIGHT.
THEY, UH, THEY COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THANKS.
UH, KEY KEYPAD HERE, UM, FOR ALL OF THEIR HELP IN WORKING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT WAS A RELATIVELY COMPLICATED APPLICATION AND APPLICATION PROCESS.
UM, VERY CONSTRUCTIVE, VERY PROTECTIVE OF THE COUNTY'S INTEREST, BUT VERY CONSTRUCTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE, WHICH I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR.
UH, MS. GOFF GAVE YOU A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
I WOULD ENDEAVOR NOT TO BE REDUNDANT, JUST HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UM, WE BELIEVE ARE FOCUSED POINTS OF THE APPLICATION AND YOUR DECISION MAKING.
THESE ARE JUST SOME SLIDES, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THE SITE IS LOCATED, BUT JUST IN CASE WE NEED TO COME BACK TO ANY OF IT FOR QUESTIONS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN MY PRESENTATION.
UM, I'LL START WITH THE PROJECT OVERVIEW.
AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UH, REDSTONE IS DEVELOPING FOR, UH, THE PUBLIC SITE AS A GROCERY ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND IS PROPOSING THIS SHEETS PROJECT AS A COMPLIMENT TO, TO THAT PROJECT AND, UH, TO ESTABLISH A MEANINGFUL PRESENCE ON ROUTE 17 AND AN IMPROVED ACCESS ON ROUTE ROUTE 17 FOR BOTH, NOT ONLY THE SHEETS, BUT ALSO THE, UH, THE PUBLIC SITE.
UM, SHEETS IS, AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW AND HAVE VISITED, IS A REALLY HIGHLY REGARDED TOP TIER BRAND IN THE, IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE, FULL SERVICE, MODERN CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, MARKETPLACE.
THEY HAVE OVER 750 LOCATIONS AND 21,000 EMPLOYEES SPREAD ACROSS THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION.
AND, UH, IN THE MIDWEST, IT WAS, UH, A REALLY, UH, UH, TOP, TOP MARKET REP REPRESENT SORT OF THE PREMIUM BRAND FOR, FOR MODERN CONVENIENCE STORES.
THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY THAT BOTH PUBLIX AND SHEETS ARE EXCITED ABOUT, AS WELL AS REDSTONE AS AS SORT OF THE, UH, THE ARCHITECT OF THE, OF THE PROJECT, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUSINESSES.
AND IT, WE BELIEVE THE SYNERGY OF THOSE TWO USES ON ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PARCEL WILL HELP CREATE A VERY VIBRANT AND SUSTAINABLE COMMERCIAL NODE THAT WILL ENDURE SERVING RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, UH, EMPLOYEES THAT, THAT WORK IN YORK COUNTY AND SOME OF THE NEARBY EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND COMMUTERS AS WELL.
UM, REVENUE FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, UH, UH, HELPS FULFILL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION FOR THIS LOCATION AS A VILLAGE CENTER AND COMMERCIAL NODE.
AND, UH, COMPLETES, UH, A COMPREHENSIVE RETAIL OFFERING THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THOSE CENTERS OF EMPLOYMENT, BOTH EXISTING RESIDENCES AND FUTURE RESIDENTS THROUGH YOUR AT YORKTOWN CRESCENT THAT HAVE YET TO BE DEVELOPED.
UM, TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT TRAFFIC, I KNOW THAT'S OF, OF INTEREST TO EVERYONE.
TYPICALLY WITH ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS, UM, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS SITE FOR, FOR A LARGE, UH, RETAIL USE OR HIGH, HIGH, HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC RETAIL
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USE, THERE'S MULTIPLE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS AND THIS JUST, UH, ROUNDS OUT THAT, THAT ACCESS TO A FULL SERVICE ON 17 IN ADDITION TO THE FULL SERVICE OR, OR FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS ON FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD.SO IT ALLOWS MULTIPLE POINTS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TO BOTH FACILITIES AND A DISPERSION OF BOTH ENTERING AND EXITING VEHICLES.
UM, IT'S COMPLIMENTARY USES ON THE SAME SITE, UH, WILL PROVIDE FOR A FAIR AMOUNT OF INTERNAL CAPTURE OF, OF VEHICLE TRIPS, UH, BETWEEN THE STORES.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS GAS AND NEEDS GROCERIES, THEY MAKE ONE STOP, THEY ENTER AND EXIT ROUTE 17 ONCE, RIGHT? THEY ENTER ONCE AND EXIT ONCE AT ONE LOCATION, AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS OF HOW TO DO THAT RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO STOPPING ONCE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON 17 AND THEN STOPPING AGAIN.
SO YOU CAN REDUCE IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE CONFLICTING MOVEMENTS, UH, IN THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN, UM, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST SIGNALIZATION OR THE GREEN TEA, HOWEVER, THAT, UM, UH, DEBATE SHAKES OUT OR THAT THAT, UH, ANALYSIS SHAKES OUT.
IT'S NOT REALLY A DEBATE, IT'S JUST A, THE WHAT'S THE, THE PROPER TOOL FOR THAT JOB.
UH, BUT SIGNALIZATION AT OUR PROPOSED INTERSECTION, EITHER THROUGH A GREEN TEA OR CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL, ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE PRIMARY INTERSECTION OF FORT HUSTIS BOULEVARD AND ROUTE 17 TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THAT INTERSECTION BY ALLOWING LEFT TURNS IN AT THE, UM, AT THE, AT THE, AT OUR, AT THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
UM, AND TO SPEAK TO, TO THE TRAFFIC GENERALLY, WE PROPOSED A CONVENTIONAL SIGNAL.
WE THINK THAT PROBABLY WORKS THE BEST.
UH, VDOT HAS REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING US EXPLORE THE GREEN TEA.
UM, MS. MCPHERSON IS HERE, UH, AND CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
IT'S AN INNOVATIVE INTERSECTION DESIGN.
WE'RE, WE'RE SORTING OUT SORT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY LOGISTICS, WE DO NOT BELIEVE, AND, AND I THINK VDOT MAY, MAY, MAY BE ON BOARD WITH THIS, BUT WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE R CUT WORKS.
IT WOULD CREATE OFFSITE IMPACTS REALLY FOR THE, FOR THE ROUTE 17 FORT USES BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.
THAT, THAT WOULD REALLY BE UN INAPPROPRIATE.
SO WE THINK IT'S REALLY A, A CHOICE BETWEEN THE GREEN TEA AND THE SIGNAL, AND IT'S REALLY JUST WHATEVER WORKS ULTIMATELY WORKS THE BEST AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO, TO WHICHEVER THAT THAT SHAKES OUT TO BE.
UM, MOVING ON TO ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN AND WATERSHED PROTECTION, UH, THE GOAL OF BOTH REDSTONE AND SHEETS WHEN WE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE IN A WATERSHED PROTECTION ZONE WAS HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A DESIGN CONCEPT THAT ASSURES THE COUNTY AND NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE A SUPERIOR ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN THAT WILL ENSURE PROTECTION OF THE WATERSHED ON AN EQUIVALENT BASIS AS JUST A PURE BUFFER.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO PROTECT WATERSHED.
THERE'S JUST A BUFFER, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN IT.
AND THEN THERE ARE DESIGN TECHNIQUES THAT, UH, CAN ACHIEVE A COMPARABLE OR GREATER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROTECTION OF, OF THE WATERSHED OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE DUG IN, WE WORKED WITH SHEET THE SHEETS TEAM, WHICH WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, UH, ABOUT THE, THE, THE PROJECT AND THE CHALLENGE, UH, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS, WHO WAS VERY, UH, GRACIOUS IN ENGAGING WITH US TO, UH, TO, TO VET IDEAS THE TIMMONS TEAM COUNTY STAFF.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ACHIEVED THAT DESIGN COMMITMENT THAT THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A, A COMPARABLE OR SUPERIOR PROTECTION THAN, THAN JUST THE, THE, UH, CONVENTIONAL BUFFER IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE BASE ORDINANCE, UH, PROFFER, AS MS. KAUF MENTIONED, UH, INCLUDES ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING OF THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE, UH, THE DESIRED PROTECTION THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT.
SO AS LONG AS THE SHEETS A, A C STORE WITH GAS STATION IS THERE, THOSE, THOSE, UM, PROTECTIONS HAVE TO REMAIN IN PLACE.
AND AS IT'S BEEN SAID, SUPPORTED BY NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS.
AND I WILL CONCLUDE, UH, JUST BRIEFLY BY, UM, CITING WHAT WE RESPECTFULLY BELIEVE ARE SOME OF THE, THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S BEEN A COMMITMENT AS HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU HAVE SEEN THROUGH THE ELEVATIONS TO A HIGH QUALITY ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPING DESIGN.
AND, AND TO SPEAK BRIEFLY THERE, THERE WAS, UH, APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION ABOUT SOME OF THE COLORS STILL NOT MEETING THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY PROTECTION ZONE.
I AM ASSURED BY SHEETS THAT THAT WAS A RESULT OF THEM LOOKING AT AN OLDER COLOR PALETTE.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN UPDATED, IS WHAT THEY SHARED WITH ME.
THEY'RE CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN MEET THE, THE, THE RIGHT COLOR PALETTE AND, AND TEND TO DO SO BETWEEN NOW AND, AND THE BOARD MEETING.
IF, IF WE'RE FORTUNATE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT, UM, CONCENTRATES RETAIL SERVICES AT A DESIGNATED VILLAGE CENTER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, CENTERS OF EMPLOYMENT AND EXISTING AND FUTURE HOUSING.
UH, IT ALLOWS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE SITE BY, BY SORT OF SOLVING WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS OUT PARCEL.
NOW IT ALLOWS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTIRE SITE TO PROCEED ON A, ON A SIMILAR TIMELINE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, REDUCES, UH, UM, CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS OVER TIME.
AND THEN, UH, PROVIDES TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS
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THAT ULTIMATELY IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT FORT SYST AND ROUTE 17, A VERY IMPORTANT INTERSECTION FOR THE COUNTY, COUNTY.AND, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SUBSTANTIALLY ENHANCES THE, THE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE.
THESE ARE VERY, VERY, UH, TAX FRIENDLY FOR LOCALITY PROJECTS.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL START DOWN ON THIS END.
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD, UM, THE, THE, THERE'S, I SAW THAT YOU HAD DIESEL.
UM, IS THERE THE, THIS DOES NOT PERMIT COMMERCIAL VEHICLE FILLING, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NOT A COMMERCIAL ISLAND COMMERCIAL TRUCK, RIGHT? GOOD, GOOD QUESTION.
SO NO, THIS WOULD NOT BE, UH, THE SITE WOULD NOT BE SUITABLE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY, UM, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
I, I GUESS I'M, I'M HESITATING MS. SMITH TO, TO MAKE SURE I'M BEING CAN COMPLETELY CANDID.
SO COMMERCIAL DEALS LIKE SERVICE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ARE TRACTOR TRAILERS, BUT YEAH, TRACTOR TRAILERS, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT AND FUEL IN THIS SIDE.
WE WILL, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE DESIGNED OUR ENTRANCE AND, AND TURNING RADIUSES NEAR OUR TANK FILL LOCATIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET A TRACTOR TRUCK, A, A TANKER TRUCK IN AND OUT, BUT NOT TO FUEL.
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING, I NOTICED YOU HAD ALL GAS DISPENSERS ARE YOU HAVE EV CAPABILITIES? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE EV CHARGING STATIONS INTENDED AT THIS TIME, BUT I KNOW FROM WORKING WITH SHEETS AT OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ADDING THOSE AS AS DEMAND DICTATES.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE POISED AND, AND IN SOME LOCATIONS WHERE THAT DEMAND IS THERE, THEY DO HAVE THEM.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE'VE PROPOSED THEM IN THIS PLAN.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR INTO IT, BUT I DUNNO, YEAH, WHAT I, IN WORKING WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE, AND THIS WILL BE A, A NEW NEW, I THINK THIS FIRST SHEETS THAT'LL BE IN OUR MARKET AREA OR THE, THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
UM, BUT FROM WORKING WITH THEM ON OTHER IDEAS FOR OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY, UM, THE EV CHARGING STATIONS HAVE COME UP AND THAT'S DEFINITELY A PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
IT'S JUST WIND DEMAND AND, AND, UM, SORT OF DRIVES THAT.
I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, EARL, DO YOU KNOW IF VDOT, WHEN VDOT PLANS TO MAKE THREE LANES FROM DENBY TO VOT EUSTIS 50 YEARS FROM NOW? OKAY.
I DO NOT KNOW THERE, I MEAN, THERE IS A PLAN TO EXTEND THREE LANES ALL THE WAY TO THE COLEMAN BRIDGE, BUT I DO NOT, I KNOW, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A TIMELINE ON THAT PORTION.
GOING DOWN THE END, JUST AS, UH, IN OTHER GAS STATIONS, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A BACKUP GENERATOR.
UM, SHEETS, I WAS LOOKING FOR A YES, YES, I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I'M TRYING TO BE HONEST THOUGH.
UH, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR, OUR PLAN IS.
SO, UH, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SHEETS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BACKUP GENERATOR, AND THEY, UH, SERVE A, A LOT OF STORES THAT SUFFER, UH, FROM NATURAL DISASTERS.
YOU KNOW, ASHEVILLE IS ONE OF THEIR LOCATIONS THAT WE ALL KNOW HAS SUFFERED RECENTLY FOR EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES, AND THEY CONTINUE TO SERVE THAT MARKETPLACE.
WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO, AND IT'S NOT EVERY LOCATION.
THERE ARE SOME PLACES WHERE THEY UTILIZE, UH, A PERMIT GENERATOR, BUT WHAT THEY FIND TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND AND MORE EFFICIENT IS TO BRING IN TEMPORARY POWER.
SO, LIKE IN ASHEVILLE, I THINK MANY OF THOSE SITES THAT REMAINED OPEN WERE SERVED BY A TEMPORARY, THEY'LL COORDINATE TO BRING IN TEMPORARY GENERATORS TO KEEP THE STORE OPEN.
SO THEIR PLAN, UH, FOR THIS STORE AT THIS TIME WOULD BE TO SERVE IT IN, IN A, UH, IN THE UNFORTUNATE EVENT OF A NATURAL DISASTER THAT, UH, ELIMINATED POWER BY TEMPORARY POWER WITH A A A ON ONSITE GENERATOR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE WOULD BE A GENERATOR ON SITE, BUT IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY OR PORTABLE IT WOULD BE DELIVERED TO THE SITE.
IT WOULD BE PORTABLE AND DELIVERED TO THE SITE AFTER THE, AT THE P TIME OF THE POWER OUTAGE.
DISAPPOINTED, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
UH, QUEST OR COMMENT AND A QUESTION? THE RENDERING'S REALLY NICE, ONE OF A NICER LOOKING SHEETS, UH, THAT I RECALL SEEING.
ANYBODY HAVE A, A TIMELINE FOR A CONSTRUCTION, ASSUMING YOU GET THE BOARD APPROVAL, WHAT KIND OF, UH, TIMEFRAME OUT IN THE FUTURE YOU EXPECT TO BE OPERATIONAL? SURE, I'LL ANSWER THAT, UH, AND, AND LOOK TO JOHN TO TELL ME IF I'M OFF BASE OR JOHN OR MAYA.
BUT IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO GET THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN JANUARY OR, OR OR FEBRUARY AND BE ABLE TO START THE ACTUAL SITE PLANNING, UH, PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE PROBABLY SIX MONTHS TO PULL PERMITS.
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CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY BE LATE 2026, EARLY 2027.MR. GRANT, HOW YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING, MR. QUESTIONS AND A COMP? YEAH, YOUR HONOR, AFTER EVERYBODY ELSE HELPS ME TURN THIS ON, I WAS JUST, HOW LONG FOR THE TEMPORARY GENERATOR TO GET THERE? IF IT'S 72 HOURS LATER, WE DON'T NEED IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE THERE WITHIN 24 HOURS OR, OR JUST, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A COMMENT.
AND JUST, JUST A WORD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY GENERATORS VERSUS PERMANENT GENERATORS GENERALLY.
SO, PERMANENT GENERATORS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OPERATED VERY RARELY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE TEST CYCLES THAT RUN AS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO SORT OF KEEP THEM, UH, IN, IN WORKING ORDER AND TO CONFIRM THEIR OPERATIONAL CAPACITY.
BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT RUNNING UNDER LOAD ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND SO THEY'RE RELIABILITY, ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND, AND SUPERVISION, UH, AND, AND WORK AND, AND MONITORING TO KEEP THEM IN OPERATION.
UH, HOWEVER, TEMPORARY GENERATORS THAT ARE MOVED AROUND, YOU KNOW, FROM SITE TO SITE ARE CONTINUALLY BEING USED, CONTINUALLY BEING MAINTAINED AND CONTINUALLY BEING MONITORED FOR OPERATIONAL, UM, SUFFICIENCY.
SO THAT IS WHY IT IS, YOU KNOW, PREFERRED TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER A TEMPORARY GENERATOR AND IT WOULD BE DELIVERED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXPERIENCES THAT IT WOULD BE DELIVERED IN A, IN A TIMELY WAY.
THEY, THEY, THEY WANNA STAY OPEN, THEY WANNA MAKE REVENUE, UH, THEY WANNA SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN EVERY DAY AND GET THE SAME CUP OF COFFEE AND THE SAME BREAKFAST SANDWICH.
AND IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR SHEETS EITHER.
SO, SORRY, I JUST HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ON THE LIGHTS ON 17 OR THE INTERSECTIONS THERE AND REFER YOU BACK TO THAT FUBAR BETWEEN ON VICTORY BOULEVARD BETWEEN 17 HIGHWAY AND NEWPORT NEWS.
AND THAT STRIP IN THERE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIGHT EVERY 500 YARDS.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE LIGHTS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER, IT JUST CREATES A PROBLEM.
I DON'T CARE HOW HOW MUCH YOU ENGINEER IT, IT JUST IS A PROBLEM AND IT'S JUST A COMMENT, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT BECAUSE I SEE NOTHING BUT A PROBLEM HAPPENING THERE AT FORT EUSTIS AND, AND 17 UP AND DOWN THAT, THAT LITTLE CORRIDOR THERE.
AND THE THIRD LITTLE COMMENT I HAVE IS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS THE BEST BUSINESS FOR THE LAND USE, BEST LAND USE FOR THIS PARTIAL OF PROPERTY IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME WHY THIS IS THE BEST LAND USE? I'D BE DELIGHTED TO
I'D BE DELIGHTED TO, I FIGURED YOU WOULD DO THAT.
WELL, IT, AS I SAID, UM, THERE'S TRAFFIC IN THE CORRIDOR NOW, THERE'LL BE TRAFFIC IN THE CORRIDOR IN FUTURE, WHETHER SHEETS HAPPENS OR NOT.
ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES I WOULD HUMBLY SUBMIT TO YOU OF A SHEETS IS IT'S, WE, IT IS NOT A DESTINATION LOCATION, RIGHT? PEOPLE TYPICALLY DON'T DRIVE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GO TO THE SHEETS.
THEY'RE IN THE CORRIDOR ALREADY COMMUTING, THEY NEED GAS, AND THEY MAKE A DECISION TO STOP AT SHEETS VERSUS SOMEWHERE ELSE, VERSUS GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE TO THE RACETRACK AND GLOUCESTER POINT, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS QUOTE GENERATED OR, OR IS REALLY JUST EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT'S CAPTURED BY THIS BUSINESS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ADDING IN ANY MATERIAL WAY.
I WOULD HUMBLY SUBMIT INCREMENTAL TRAFFIC IN THE CORRIDOR.
IT'S CAPTURING CUSTOMERS AND DOLLARS FOR YORK COUNTY THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE TRAVELING OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO GLOUCESTER POINT TO, TO CAPTURE.
SO, AND THIS IS TO YOUR TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION POINT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ADDING THOSE TRIPS ARE ALREADY GONNA BE IN THAT CORRIDOR.
SIGNALIZING, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ACCESS POINT WHERE WE'VE PROPOSED IT VERSUS THE, THE EXISTING ACCESS WHICH EXISTS TODAY, UH, ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE FUNCTION AT FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD AND 17, WHICH IS REALLY THE PRIMARY AND MORE IMPORTANT INTERSECTION.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOBODY LIKES TO HAVE ANOTHER STOPLIGHT AND MORE STOPLIGHTS, BUT IN TERMS OF OVERALL DELAY AT THE FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD, ROUTE 17 INTERSECTION, THAT'S IMPROVED DELAY IS REDUCED BY CONTROLLING TRAFFIC AT, AT OUR INTERSECTION.
SO JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HUMBLE SUGGESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME TRAFFIC, THERE WILL BE SOME TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT AS A RESULT OF THE SIGNALIZATION.
UM, WHY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY THERE IS, THERE ARE LARGE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AS, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, EXIST THROUGHOUT THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY AND ON DOWN INTO SEAFORD, UH, AND THOSE EMPLOYMENTS AND RESIDENCES, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IN IN AREAS ON BOTH SIDES OF 17 IN THIS AREA THAT EXIT,
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YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY FOR THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS THAT EXIT AND TRAVEL NORTH ON 17 TO GLOUCESTER, NORTH DIVY BOULEVARD, THEN OUT TO THE INTERSTATE AND TO OTHER LOCALITIES.AND THERE ISN'T, UM, CONVENIENT ACCESS TO A GROCERY STORE AND GAS STATION, UM, OF THIS CALIBER IN THAT IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
AND SO THEY MIGHT WELL, UH, TRAVEL ON ACROSS THE BRIDGE RIGHT TO A ANOTHER LOCATION OR TURN ONTO DIMMI VILAR.
THIS IS A WAY TO CAPTURE THAT, UH, REVENUE AND, AND SERVE THOSE CUSTOMERS AT THIS LOCATION IN YORK COUNTY.
UM, IT'S ALSO CREATES YORKTOWN CRESCENT HASN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING BUILT OUT AND A LOT MORE, UH, DEVELOPMENT RESIDENT, PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AFTER THIS PROJECT TAKES PLACE, UH, TO HAPPEN THERE.
AND IT WILL ALLOW, UH, THE, THE, THAT COMMUNITY TO BE SERVED BY INTERNAL TRAVEL, RIGHT? THEY WON'T HAVE TO ENTER FORT USES BOULEVARD OR ROUTE 17 TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TO GET TO THE GAS STATION.
SO IT, IT PROVIDES THERE SOME INTERNAL CAPTURE OF THOSE TRIPS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CROSS FORT USES BOULEVARD TO GO TO, UH, ANOTHER GROCERY STORE OR ANOTHER GAS STATION THEY CAN CAPTURE, UH, THOSE, UM, WE CAN CAPTURE THOSE TRIPS INTERNALLY ON SITE.
AND SO I THINK THE COMBINATION OF SERVING, UH, PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, A FULL SERVICE, MODERN CONVENIENCE STORE WHICH DOESN'T EXIST IN, IN, IN, IN THAT VICINITY OF YORK COUNTY FOR COMMUTERS THAT ARE, ARE NOT TRAVELING ON OTHER ROADS IN YORK COUNTY, THAT, THAT FREQUENT THOSE LOCATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S, IT'S A PREMIUM, UH, PLACE FOR, FOR SHEETS TO BE LOCATED.
EVERYBODY'S ASKED WHAT, WHAT I HAD.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? AND AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES? UH, YES SIR.
KARE JEFFERSON, ONE 14 HOLDEN LANE.
UM, I DON'T MEAN TO BE NEGATIVE NANCY TONIGHT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, MY GRANDMOTHER USED TO ALWAYS HAVE A SAYING, ALL MONEY AIN'T GOOD MONEY.
AND THE PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT THIS SHEET IS TRYING TO, TO CAPTURE, I DON'T THINK IS THE KIND OF CLIENTELE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WE WANT IN, IN YORK COUNTY.
MOST OF US PREFER TO GO TO NEWPORT NEWS, COSTCO AND SAM'S GET OUR GAS AND THEN COME BACK TO YORK COUNTY WHERE WE CAN ENJOY, UH, UH, BETTER SHOPPING.
LIKE I SAID, PUBLIX SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN SHEETS.
WE PREFER TO KEEP THAT ON I 64, I 95 ON A WAY TO DC WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD UTILIZATION OF LAND.
AND, UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE, UH, YORK COUNTY, UM, PLANNING, UM, BOARD RECONSIDER THAT AND ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THE, UM, UH, COMMENTS BY VDOT.
I THINK THE PRESENTATION FROM BOTH THE STAFF HERE AND THE, UM, SHEETS, UM, LENDS TO FACT THAT MORE HOMEWORK NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, BEFORE THE BOARD CAN APPROVE OVER.
ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S GO ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE TO START.
WELL, FIRST, WE'RE ONLY HERE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY, UM, NOT TO, UH, SELECT THE BRICK COLOR OR GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS, UH, INCLUDING THE CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, TRAFFIC STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT AND WILL BE BEFORE IT'S APPROVED AND MOVES FURTHER.
BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE REZONING.
I THINK IT'S A NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
I'M ALSO A FIRM BELIEVER IN COMPETITION, UM, IN THE COUNTY.
AS YOU MANY OF YOU KNOW, THE WALMART AND THE WAWA BY WALMART, AND THE WAWA DOWN BY WOLF TRAP IS CAPTURING, UH, ALMOST ALL THE SALES HERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, PRUDENT THAT WE ALLOW COMPETITION IN THE COUNTY TO IMPROVE OUR BUSINESSES AND MAKE OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES IMPROVE THEMSELVES TO, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'VE, THEY'RE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN AS FAR AS THAT.
UM, COMPARED TO SHEETS I'VE WITNESSED ACROSS THIS STATE AND OTHER STATES.
THIS IS ONE OF THE NICER DESIGNS.
UH, I THINK IT FITS IN WELL WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND I THINK IT'LL BE, UH, A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH UP IN THE FRONT, TALKED ABOUT IT.
I DID A SECOND LIEUTENANT SALUTE, AND I SAID, OH MY GOSH, NOT ANOTHER GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE 17 HIGHWAY.
THAT'S ALL WE NEED, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS PLANNED BEFORE I APPROVE IT.
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AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY IT, UH, MINE'S ABOUT IS TRAFFIC.UM, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THIS ENTIRE, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THIS AS INTERSECTION.
I SEE THIS AS A DISTRICT THAT'S GOING TO BE REDESIGNED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WITH SOME LARGE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TAKING PLACE THERE.
I KNOW VDOT IS WORKING AGGRESSIVELY TO ADDRESS, UH, SO THAT THAT INTERSECTION DOESN'T BECOME VICTORY IN, UM, 17.
WE DON'T REPEAT THAT DISASTER, UH, IN MY WORDS, UH, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT VDOT IS ON THAT I'M CONFIDENT THAT THAT SHEETS HAS, UH, DEPLOYED THEIR RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
FROM, FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, COMP PLAN.
UM, WITH THE REZONING THEY'VE ADDRESSED THE WATERSHED CONCERNS THAT I WOULD'VE HAD.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS, UH, HAS ENDORSED IT, THEN I SEE NO PROBLEM MOVING FORWARD.
YEAH, I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN VI DOES FROM WOLF TRAP TO DENBY MAKE THAT THREE LANES.
AND NOW YOU, WHEN THAT'S DONE, THEN YOU BOTTLENECK INTO TWO MORE LANES, NOT BUT A HALF A MILE AWAY FROM THE SHEETS.
UM, BUT, UH, I, I'M VERY ACCO ACCUSTOMED TO VISITING SHEETS.
UH, I KNOW THERE ARE ESTABLISHMENTS AND THEIR BUSINESSES AND THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB.
I THINK IT'S LIKE, UM, MIKE WAS SAYING IT'S GOOD TO HAVE COMPETITION AND IT'S GOOD FOR YORK COUNTY AS LONG AS VDOT AND SHEETS CAN WORK OUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND I ALSO, UM, HAVE CONFIDENCE BOTH THE STAFF AND, AND, AND SHEETS AND BEAT UP THAT THEY'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST INTERSECTION IS AND, AND WORK THAT OUT.
AND I STOP AT SHEETS OFTEN WHEN I TRAVEL.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING ONE HERE.
UH, WITH THAT WE'LL NEED, I GUESS WE HAVE TO DO MOTIONS ONE AT A TIME FOR, OKAY.
SO I NEED A MOTION FOR PC 25 DASH 27 IS MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION FOR P PC 25 27.
REZONING, IS IT, DID I SAY THE WRONG? SO WE HAVE TO DO 28 FIRST.
THE REZONING NEEDS TO GO FIRST.
I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT IN THE CORRECT ORDER FOR YOU.
THE MOTION BY MR. BROOKS IS TO DIVE SOLUTION PC 25 DASH 28 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REZONING LOCATED AT 7979 0 8 79 14 AND 79 20.
GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
AND THEN WE NEED A MOTION FOR PC 25 DASH 27.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THIS ONE.
I RECOMMEND WE MOVE PC 25 DASH 27 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION PC 25 DASH 27 FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A AUTOMOBILE FUEL DISPENSING, I'M SORRY, AUTOMOBILE FUEL DISPENSING ESTABLISHMENT AT 7979 0 8 79 14, AND 79 20.
GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
[Application No. ZT-215-25, York County Planning Commission: Consider amendments to the York County Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24.1, Sections 104. Definitions; 271. Accessory uses permitted in conjunction with residential uses; and 272. Accessory uses permitted in conjunction with commercial and industrial uses, for the use of theft-deterrent wire. Staff Planner, Madison Scalf, Planner ]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, A ZONING CHANGE.AND MADISON, THIS ONE'S YOURS AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, WHERE'S THE, LEMME ASK YOU.
SO THIS APPLICATION IS TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE WITHIN SECTIONS 1 0 4 2 7 1
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AND 2 7 2 FOR THE USE OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE.FIRST I'M GONNA PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND FOR THIS.
UM, TO START THINGS OFF, STAFF LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE YORK COUNTY CODE CURRENTLY SAYS ABOUT THEFT DETERRENT WIRE.
UH, THE CODE CURRENTLY PROHIBITS THE USE OF BARBED WIRE OR ELECTRIFIED WIRE, OR SIMILAR TYPE FENCES, UH, EXCEPT WHEN USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BONAFIDE ARGA AGRICULTURAL OPERATION AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 2 72.
THIS ESTABLISHES ACCESSORY USES PERMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES AND STATES LAND USE IS NOT LISTED IN THIS SECTION AND NOT DEEMED SIMILAR TO A LISTED USE, SHALL BE DEEMED NOT ALLOWED AS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ACCESSORY USES.
SO HISTORICALLY, THE COUNTY HAS INTERPRETED THE CODE'S LACK OF REFERENCE TO THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AS AN INDICATION THAT THIS USE IS NOT AUTHORIZED.
HOWEVER, SOME OF THE COUNTY'S BUSINESSES HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO USE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND TO RESTRICT ACCESS TO DANGEROUS EQUIPMENT AND OR MACHINERY IF APPROVED, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD CHANGE THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE BY ONE, ADDING A DEFINITION FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN THE CONTEXT OF FENCES.
TWO, CLARIFYING WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND THREE, ALLOWING FOR THE USE OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS WHILE AL ALSO ESTABLISHING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THE USE.
THE GOAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS IS TO BALANCE COMMUNITY NEED WITH SAFETY AND AESTHETIC EXPECTATIONS.
LOCAL ORDINANCES, UH, THE OR YEAH.
LOCAL ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE WERE REVIEWED, COMPILED, AND ANALYZED.
THE ORDINANCES ANALYZED INCLUDE NORFOLK, PETERSBURG, HAMPTON, NEWPORT, NEWS, FAIRFAX, STAFFORD, JAMES CITY, AND GLOUCESTER.
ALSO A WORK SESSION WAS CONDUCTED ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2025 WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT SUBCOMMITTEE.
DURING THIS MEETING, CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS WERE DISCUSSED RELATING TO RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND HOW CITIZENS COULD REQUEST FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS.
NOW LET'S MOVE INTO SUMMARY AND THE EXPLANATION OF THE CHANGES.
UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHOULD INCLUDE PRECISE DEFINITIONS TO ENSURE THERE IS NO LEGAL AMBIGUITY REGARDING WHAT QUALIFIES AS THEFT DETERRENT WIRE THEFT.
DETERRENT WIRE IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE SECURITY FENCING MATERIALS THAT DETER UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY BY MEANS OF SHARP EDGES, ELECTRICAL CHARGE OR SPECIALIZED CONSTRUCTION THAT IMPEDES CLIMBING, CUTTING OR BREACHING.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE RAZOR WIRE AND BARBED WIRE, CONCERTINA WIRE THEFT DETERRENT COMPOSITE CABLES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS T DCCS AND ELECTRIFIED WIRE SECTION 24.1 DASH 27 1 J AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS PROHIBITS THE USE OF BARBED WIRE IN ELECTRIFIED FENCES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS UNLESS IT IS USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE SECTION WOULD CHANGE THREE THINGS.
FIRST, THIS WOULD UPDATE, UH, THE FIRST UPDATE WOULD REMOVE THE TERM SINGLE FAMILY SO THAT THE REGULATIONS APPLY TO THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN ANY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE SECOND CHANGE WOULD REPLACE THE TERMS BARBED WIRE OR ELECTRIFIED FENCE WITH THEFT DETERRENT WIRE BECAUSE IT ENCOMPASSES ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES.
THE THIRD REVISION WOULD INCREASE CLARITY OF THE REQUIREMENTS BY REPLACING THE PHRASE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A BONAFIDE AGRICULTURAL OPERATION WITH DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK OR GARDENING OPERATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 55.1 DASH 2 8 0 4.
THIS WAS CHANGED BECAUSE IT REDUCES AMBIGUITY AND REFERENCE IN REFERENCES THE RELEVANT SECTION OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, WHICH DEFINES LAWFUL FENCES IN THIS CONTEXT.
SECTION 24.1272 A ADDRESSES THE USE OF FENCES AND WALLS IN CONJUNCTION WITH COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO SECTIONS 24 7 2 A FIVE A THROUGH E ADDRESSES THE DESIGN AND AESTHETICS OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE, SUCH AS WHERE THE WIRE CAN BE LOCATED, INCLUDING TO NOT ALLOW CERTAIN OUTWARD PROJECTIONS AND TYPES OF COLORS TO BE USED TO REDUCE VISUAL IMPACT IF NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL OR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE REVISED RESOLUTION, UH, THAT WAS PUT ON THE DAIS, UM, TAKES OUT SUBSECTION C TO ALLOW PROJECTIONS PAST THE PLANE OF THE FENCE AND SUBSECTIONS F THROUGH G ESTABLISH ENFORCEMENT
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MECHANISMS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND SETS OUT ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTIONS TO ONE OR MORE OF THE STANDARDS.AN ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTION CAN ONLY BE GRANTED IF THE STRICT APPLICATION WOULD CREATE AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP OR IF EQUIVALENT SAFETY AND AESTHETIC MEASURES, UH, COULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.
THIS EXCEPTION ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY OF DIFFERENT NEEDS AND APPLICATIONS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEIR SITUATIONS WERE MORE THAN USUAL, SECURITY, UH, NEEDS ARE REQUIRED.
SO I'M GONNA CLOSE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS WOULD ADD A DEFINITION FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE, PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON WHEN IT CAN BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND ESTABLISHES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
THE ALL-ENCOMPASSING DEFINITION PROVIDES CLEAR INTERPRETATION FOR APPLICATION.
THE REVISIONS TO INCLUDE THEFT DETERRENT WIRE FOR DOMESTICATED LIVESTOCK AND GARDENING WILL BE APPLIED TO ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND THEIR PROPOSED STANDARDS ADDRESS THE DESIGN AND AESTHETICS OF THEFT DETERRENT WIRE IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTION.
SO PUBLIC SAFETY, VISUAL BLIGHT AND SECURITY CONCERNS WERE CONSIDERED AND SURROUNDING LOCALITIES REQUIREMENTS WERE REVIEWED WITH ADDITIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION INPUT.
SO THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 29.
I MEAN, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, JUST JUST NOTE IT'S 29 R OH YES.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A REVISION ON THAT, SO.
AND WE'LL START DOWN HERE AGAIN.
I NOTICED ONE OF THE, THE REVISION WAS THE PROJECTING ARMS. I'M JUST ASSUMING, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WRONG, THAT IF THIS FENCE IS PUT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, ARMS DO NOT PROJECT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THE SECTION, UM, THAT WAS PUT OUT WAS TO NOT ALLOW TO GO PAST THE PLANE OF THE FENCE, HOWEVER IT STILL IN THE RESOLUTION IS TO NOT ALLOW TO GO OVER PROPERTY LINES.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND WITH THAT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? FIRST OF ALL, CAN WELL DONE THOROUGH PRESENTATION OF THE DETAILS AND WE'RE BRINGING THAT OUT.
UM, I I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE ALIGNING OURSELVES WITH OUR REST OF OUR LOCALITIES.
IT'S SUPPORTING WITH THIS MR. BROOKS DOWN THE END.
UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD, HAVING WORKED ON THAT COMMITTEE, I APPRECIATE THE INPUT OF, OF STAFF AND THEIR, UM, CHANGING THIS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT, UM, WHAT I FELT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GARDENERS WHO, IF YOU HAVE A GARDEN IN THIS AREA AND YOU DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC FENCE, UM, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PRODUCT, UM, AT, AT THE END OF THAT.
SO, UM, MYSELF AND, WELL ACTUALLY MY WIFE MORE THAN ME, UH, WE ALL, UH, WE HAVE A GARDEN AND WE USE ELECTRIC FENCE A LOT.
AND THIS ALLOWS US TO, TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE PC 25 20 DASH 29 R UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION BY MR. ER IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION PC 25 DASH 29 R TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF VARIOUS AMENDMENTS TO YORK COUNTY ZONING CODE TO INCORPORATE PROVISIONS CONCERNING THEFT DETERRENT WIRE.
UM, I'M THE OLD BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESS STAFF
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REPORTS.ALRIGHT, SO YOU ALL HAVE YOUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT JUST TO GO OVER A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.
SO THE, UH, PAUSE PET RESORT THAT WAS OUT THERE ON LIGHTFOOT ROAD THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD AT THEIR LAST MEETING.
UH, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD PROBABLY SOON WITH A SITE PLAN AND SO FORTH ON THAT SITE.
UM, NEXT WEEK THE BOARD WILL BE REVIEWING THE FAITH RECOVERY, THE ONE THAT'S ON U ROAD.
SO THEY'LL BE HAVING THAT PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK.
UM, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT FIRST PAGE, UH, YOU'LL NOTE, UH, FUTURE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU'LL BE GETTING.
UM, THE, UH, PETER AKUNA, I'M GONNA SAY, I'M PROBABLY NOT SAYING THAT CORRECTLY.
UH, THAT WAS A, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT HAD BEEN APPLIED FOR HOWEVER, HOWEVER, AFTER SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, WE, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE DECIDED TO WITHDRAW.
SO, UH, THAT APPLICATION WILL NOT
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BE COMING BEFORE YOU.UM, THE OTHER APPLICATION THAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT MONTH IS ADVENTURE FREEDOM THERE, UM, UP AT THE MARQUES SHOPPING CENTER IN THE OLD JCPENNEY BUILDING, UH, REBOUNDERS, I'VE NO KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OF THAT.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE INDOOR FAMILY FUSE AMUSEMENT CENTER.
THEY HAVE, UH, TRAMPOLINES AND GAMES.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A DAVE AND BUSTERS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT EXCEPT YOU HAVE TRAMPOLINES ALSO.
UM, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE UP ABOUT HALF OF THAT BUILDING.
UM, BUT TO DO THAT THEY, THE, UM, THE PROFFERS THAT WERE GIVEN WHEN THE CHURCH HAD COME IN PREVIOUSLY TO GO ON THAT SITE, UM, RESTRICTED VIDEO ARCADES, POOL HALLS, BILLIARD HALLS.
SO THEY'RE JUST COMING IN TO AMEND THOSE PROFFERS.
AND THEN ALSO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE VIDEO ARCADE COMPONENT BECAUSE THAT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, UM, THE REZONING, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE REZONING FOR, UH, THOSE PARCELS THAT CAME IN FROM THE CITY OF POCOS INTO THE COUNTY.
SO YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT APPLICATION COMING ON TO YOUR, UM, THING.
I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE.
THERE WAS PROBABLY OF A HIGHLIGHT TO YOU, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE A BIG THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT TOOK TIME TO COME IN AND, UH, HELP US TO TALK ABOUT THESE TWO ISSUES ON THE COMMITTEES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT COMMITTEE OR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT COMMITTEE.
I WASN'T IN THE ORDINANCE ONE, IT'S A MOUTHFUL, I'M GUESSING.
UM, BUT I, I HEARD IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION AND YOU ALL HAD SOME REALLY GOOD, UM, THINGS FOR STAFF.
I, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, UH, WHEN THOSE THINGS COME UP.
UM, SO THANK YOU AND I JUST WISH EVERYBODY A VERY HAPPY HOLIDAY AS IT COMES UP AND BE SAFE.
ALRIGHT, ANY COMMISSION REQUESTS? I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TO THE, UH, ORDINANCE COMMITTEE IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE.
UM, AND I WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
WE WILL NOT MEET UNTIL, UH, NEXT YEAR AND, UH, WITH THAT WILL STAND ADJOURN.