* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] THERE YOU GO. NOW I KNOW THAT I'M HAN. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, [Call to Order] FOR JOINING US FOR THE OCTOBER 21ST BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND ROLL. CALL PLEASE. MR. HORO? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MR. DRURY? PRESENT. MR. ROME? HERE. MR. SHEPHERD? HERE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GONNA CALL ON SNEHA, MEMBER OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION FOR THE INVOCATION. , WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE THE MICROPHONE DOWN THERE, PLEASE? THE AUDIO? NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU, I THINK. OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. LET US TAKE A MOMENT TO PAUSE AND REFLECT. AS WE BEGINS TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY DEDICATED TO SERVICE, TO MAKING YOUR COUNTY A PRAISE WHERE WE CAN ALL THRIVE. MADE THE DISCUSSION HELD HERE TONIGHT. BE GUIDED BY WISDOM, RESPECT, AND COMPASSION. LET OUR DISC DECISIONS REFLECT NOT ONLY WHAT IS PRACTICAL, BUT ALSO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, FOR OUR YOUTH, AND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. MAY WE REMEMBER THE VALUE OF LISTENING WITH OPEN MINDS, LEADING WITH INTEGRITY, AND WORKING TOGETHER IN SPIRIT OF UNITY AND UNDERSTANDING. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMITMENT OF OUR LEADERS, STAFF, AND CITIZENS WHO CONTINUE TO MAKE YOUR COUNTY A PLACE OF GROWTH, GROWTH, OPPORTUNITY, AND KINDNESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE WILL NOW BE GIVEN BY ABBY SHELTON. IF YOU ALL STAND, PLEASE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU FOR OUR [1. Commendation Resolutions from the Virginia General Assembly presented by Delegate Chad Green] FIRST PRESENTATION TONIGHT. I'M CALLING ON DELEGATE DELEGATE CHAD GREEN FOR TWO PRESENTATIONS. AND SENATOR AND SENATOR DANNY DIGGS AS WELL, SENATOR DELEGATE. JOIN US, MS. NOLL, IF WE COULD ASK YOU IF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION STARTS OFF THIS PRE THIS PRESENTATION STARTS OFF AS ALWAYS. THERE YOU GO. THIS PRESENTATION STARTS OFF AS ALWAYS WITH MS. NOEL. IF YOU COULD, UH, JOIN US DOWN HERE. ON HERE, WE BRING YOU GREETINGS FROM THE CAPITOL. THIS IS HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 5 3 5 COMMENDING SHEILA NOLL AGREED ON BY THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES, FEBRUARY 3RD, 2025, AND AGREED BY THE SENATE FEBRUARY 6TH. NOW, YOU NOTICE THE SENATE WAS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER IN IN DOING THAT. MORE DELIBERATE . MORE DELIBERATE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SHEILA NOLL, A LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, HAS SERVED THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY WITH DEDICATION TO DISTINCTION FOR 30 YEARS. OVER THE COURSE OF HER CAREER IN PUBLIC SERVICE, SHEILA HAS REPRESENTED THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT TWO AND SERVED TERMS AS CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, AND THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SHEILA HAS BUILT A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH HER CONSTITUENTS TO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENT FELT THEIR VOICE COULD BE HEARD, AND SHE PROMOTED THE IMPORTANCE OF GOOD COMMUNICATION, TRANSPARENCY IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. DURING HER TENURE, THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SHEILA, WORKED CLOSELY WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, TOURISM, HISTORICAL ORGANIZATIONS, COUNTY, SIGNIFICANT POPULATION OF ACTIVE DUTY, UH, SERVICE MEMBERS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO MAINTAIN YORK COUNTY'S UNIQUE AND VIBRANT CHARACTER. WHEREAS OUTSIDE HER DUTIES AS YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SHEILA HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, PROVIDING HER WISE INSIGHTS TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND TO THE CHESAPEAKE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL. WHEREAS SHEILA NOLL HAS SERVED THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY WITH THE UTMOST DEDICATION, INTEGRITY, AND DISTINCTION, WORKING DILIGENTLY TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND IMPROVE THE COUNTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES AND THE SENATE CONCURRING, THAT'S DANNY'S GROUP, UH, AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HEREBY COMMEND SHEILA NOEL FOR HER 30 YEARS. 30 YEARS OF THAT. THINK OF THAT FOLKS, 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT [00:05:01] THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES PREPARE A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION FOR PRESENTATION TO SHEILA NO'S EXPRESSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES ADMIRATION FOR HER PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL ACHIEVEMENTS, HOUSE PATRONS, GREEN CORDOZA, SENATE DIGS. OH, GUYS, . I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T BEGIN TO SAY HOW HONORED I AM THAT YOU'VE GONE INTO THE TROUBLE TO DO THIS. UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT I GOT IN THIS JOB FOR. UH, IT HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL ADVENTURE AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IT AND I CONTINUE TO DO IT. I THINK THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY DESERVE THE, THE PRAISE AND THE ACCLIMATION, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE YOUR COUNTY WHAT IT IS. BUT I THANK YOU BOTH VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR KIND CONSIDERATION OF ME. THANK YOU, SHEILA. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY IT WAS ALWAYS A, A, A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU WHILE I SERVED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, UH, I HAD THE FONDEST OF MEMORIES, THE LONG AND THE SHORT, THE LONGER THE SHORT OF IT. AND SHEILA, THANK YOU. YOU WERE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MY ENTIRE TENURE WHILE I WAS THE SHERIFF. YES, YOU WERE. AND YOU WERE, YOU WERE VERY HELPFUL MOST OF THE TIME. NO, ALL THE, ALL THE TIME. AND SO THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BOYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, SO WHEN I PUT THESE RESOLUTIONS IN, UH, THE CLERK SAID 30 YEARS, THERE MUST BE A MISPRINT. THERE MUST BE A TYPO. AND I SAID, NO. AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE YOU PUT IN FOR 25 YEARS. SO TOM SHEPHERD, IF YOU COULD COME DOWN HERE, I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M IN IT FOR MONEY. , I'M STILL PAYING YOU AFTER 30 YEARS. YEAH, YOU, YOU GOT FIVE MORE TO GO. ALL RIGHT. HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 5 3 6 COMMENDING THOMAS G. SHEPHERD AGREED BY THE HOUSE ON FEBRUARY 3RD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE SENATE, BUT THEY WAITED UNTIL FEBRUARY 6TH. UH, WHEREAS THOMAS G. SHEPHERD, LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, HAS SERVED THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY WITH DEDICATION AND DISTINCTION FOR 25 YEARS. OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER IN PUBLIC OFFICE, THOMAS G. SHEPHERD, TOM SHEPHERD HAS PRESENTED THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT FIVE AND SERVED TERMS OF CHAIR AND YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. DURING HIS TENURE ON THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TOM HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH LOCAL BUSINESSES, TOURISM HISTORICAL ORGANIZATIONS, COUNTY, SIGNIFICANT POPULATION OF ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO MAINTAIN YORK COUNTY'S UNIQUE, VIBRANT CHARACTER. WHEREAS FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES, TOM SHEPHERD HAS REPRESENTED YORK COUNTY ON THE HAMPTON ROADS, MILITARY AND FEDERAL FACILITIES ALLIANCE TO PRESERVE AND GROW THE ROLE OF MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS AND FEDERAL WORKERS IN THE ECONOMY. THAT'S QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. TOM TOM SHEPHERD IS LONG SPECIALIZED IN TRANSPORTATION POLICY SERVING AS THE YORK COUNTY'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, AND A COMMISSIONER ON THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSION. TOM SHEPHERD HAS ALSO SUPPORTED RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE REGION AS THE COMMISSIONER ON THE HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION, AND A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF PLANNING DISTRICTS COMMISSIONS. WHEREAS TOM SHEPHERD HAS SERVED THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY WITH THE UTMOST DEDICATION INTEGRITY DISTINCTION, WORKING DILIGENTLY TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND IMPROVE THE COUNTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS NOW, FOR BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES AND THE SENATE CONCURRING THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HEREBY COMMEND THOMAS G. SHEPHERD FOR HIS 25 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY, AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES PREPARE A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION FOR PRESENTATION TO THOMAS G. SHEPHERD AS AN EXPRESSION, AS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES ADMIRATION FOR HIS PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL ACHIEVEMENTS, PATRONS GREEN CORDOZA AND THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. DIGGS. THANK YOU VERY [00:10:02] MUCH. RIGHT, GENTLEMEN. UH, HEY, IT'S, UH, ALL THIS DOES, IT JUST TELLS ME I'M GETTING OLDER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RETIREMENT OR, UH, IT WASN'T SOME MILESTONE ALONG THE WAY, BUT THIS IS REALLY, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEDICATE OUR LIVES TO THIS, AND YOU, AS YOU GUYS ARE, EXPERIENCE THE, THE WONDERFULNESS OF CAMPAIGNING, AND YOU JUST HAPPEN TO DO IT IN A BIGGER, A BIGGER SETTING NOWADAYS. BUT, UH, YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THIS, UH, DEFINITELY DON'T DO IT FOR THE MONEY, AND, UH, AND DON'T DO IT FOR ALL THE GLORY. WE DO IT FOR THE FACT THAT WE CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND A POSITIVE IMPACT. AND I JUST, IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A FUTURE FOR YOU GUYS TO, IF YOU WANNA GET UP HERE AND DO THIS SORT OF THING, IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT IT. SO, ANYWAY, UH, THIS IS VERY MEANINGFUL. UM, I'M VERY HONORED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN, OF JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU MADE MY DAY. SO, TOM, IT WAS A PLEASURE WHEN I SERVED WITH YOU ON THE BOARD, AND, UH, I COULDN'T DO IT FOR A BETTER PERSON. OH, THANK YOU. YEAH. AND SHERIFF, OH, I'M SORRY. SENATOR . WONDERFUL LOT. A LOT OF GOOD YEARS ON THIS, SO, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. DONE. NOW GO. YEP. YEAH, YOU GOT NOW, LET'S SEE. YOU'VE DONE THAT ONE. I'M GOING DOWN THE LIST TO SEE WHAT'S NEXT. OKAY. [3. Introduction to York County Youth Commission] I THINK NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION TO THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION. JACOB CORBETT, YOU ARE THE CHAIR. WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD? WHERE'S THE OTHER STUFF? OOPS. WE'LL DO YOU FIRST, THEN I'LL DO THE NEXT GROUP. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, YORK COUNTY CITIZENS, AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME IS JACOB CORBETT, AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION. THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION, OR THE YCYC IS A GROUP OF 20 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WITH FOUR STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE COUNTY'S FIVE DISTRICTS. ALL MEMBERS OF THE YCYC SUBMIT APPLICATIONS AND ARE SELECTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. THE YOUTH COMMISSION SERVES AS A COMMUNICATIONS LINK BETWEEN THE YOUTH OF YORK COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BY RESEARCHING AND PRESENTING STUDENT ISSUES, PROBLEMS, NEEDS, IDEAS, AND SUGGESTIONS. THE YCYC ALSO MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING PROGRAMS PROVIDED TO YOUTH AND PARTICIPATES IN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT. WHEN APPROPRIATE SERVICE ON THE YCYC INCREASES MEMBERS' KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEADERSHIP SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, AND CLOSE TEAMWORK WITH OTHER STUDENTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YORK COUNTY. YORK COUNTY'S 2025 TO 2026 YOUTH COMMISSION FROM DISTRICT ONE, JESSE COAC, ABIGAIL SHELDON, ALEXANDRA HAYES FROM DISTRICT TWO, LILA HARMON, MIKAYLA SCOTT, JULIANNE MCMICHAEL, AND ANN ELIZABETH CHERIAN FROM DISTRICT THREE. MYSELF, JACOB CORBETT, KATE HOGAN, NATALIE MOSS AND BRADY TORRES FROM DISTRICT FOUR, KAITLYN SMITH, LUIS WONG, SOPHIA KUT, AND EVAN STURGILL FROM DISTRICT FIVE DONOR BOV, EDDIE ZU, SNEHA SHA, AND NATHANIEL DUNSTER. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE ALL 20 25, 20 26 YOUTH COMMISSION MEMBERS TO PLEASE STAND , MAYBE SEATED. SOME UPCOMING INITIATIVES FOR THE YCYC INCLUDE THE YORK COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION HALLOWEEN BASH THIS FRIDAY, THE PAUSE AT THE RIVER EVENT THIS SATURDAY, A GOODWIN NECK ADOPT, A HIGHWAY CLEANUP, ASSISTING WITH THE MAYFLOWER MARATHON FOOD DRIVE, AND ASSISTING WITH THE YORK COUNTY TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY. WE HOSTED OUR OCTOBER MONTHLY MEETING YESTERDAY AND DECIDED ON SOME ADDITIONAL INITIATIVES TO IMPLEMENT IN THE COMING MONTHS. THESE INCLUDE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSE OF MERCY ORGANIZATION, PEER STUDENT INTERVIEWS, AND A PUBLIC RELATIONS EFFORT, SUCH AS VIDEOS AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. THANK YOU. AH, THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH. YOU'VE [00:15:01] GOT A HUGE AGENDA JUST GETTING STARTED, AND I'M EXCITED FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF IT, AND THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU, AND IT'S A LEARNING EXPERIENCE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH YOU. SO, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY THE TIME. I HOPE YOU LEARN A LOT, AND I HOPE AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED WITH IT, YOU'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE OTHER STUDENTS TO TRY TO BE MEMBERS OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION AS WELL. SO, MR. ROWAN, I THINK, UH, ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, MS. CORBERT, THANKS FOR INTRODUCING EVERYBODY TO TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN TO ATTEND A COUPLE OF, WELL, I GUESS THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL, AND I SEE THE AGENDA YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER. YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF YOU. I GOT FULL CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS THIS YEAR. A LOT OF GOOD WORK HERE. SCHEDULED, LINED UP, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF Y'ALL THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE SEMESTER. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TOM'S GONNA SPEAK. TOM, I THOUGHT YOU SAID OUTSIDE. YEAH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU, UM, FOR STEPPING UP. OKAY. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, AND I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE SERIOUS HERE. UH, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER. ONE, UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS, YOU SERVE IN GOVERNMENT AND THE, AND THE GOVERNMENT IS, UH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. NOW, YOU'RE A MAN, OKAY? SO IF THERE'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TROUBLE. SOMEBODY THROWS TOMATOES, YOU'RE IT. OKAY? UM, BUT YOU'RE REPRESENTING OUR YOUTH. SO IT'S ABOUT 13,000, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO OUR SCHOOLS, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT'S A SERIOUS JOB. WE REALLY LIKE THE INPUT. UH, THAT'S, UH, COMES FROM THE YOUTH COMMISSION. IT HELPS US ADJUST OUR, UM, OUR PROGRAMS AND POLICIES. AND, UM, I JUST WANT YOU TO ALWAYS TO REMEMBER THAT. AND I'VE HAD YEARS AFTER YEAR IF THE, THE, UH, FOLKS HAVE SERVED ON THE COMMISSION, HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE AND HAVE COME BACK, AND THEY, THE FIRST THING WHEN THEY SEE ME, THEY REMIND ME THAT, HEY, I SERVED ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION. AND, UH, THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS THE, UM, TRAIL THAT'S COMING OUT BEHIND TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT, NOT A DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALL THE, ALL THE PLANNING FOR THAT PARK OKAY. CAME FROM STUDENTS THAT HAD THE IDEA OF HOW TO CONNECT TO SCHOOLS, UH, BETWEEN TAB HIGH SCHOOL, TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND MOUNT VERNON. AND, UH, HOW PEOPLE CAN BE ABLE TO USE THIS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S GONNA BE EXPANDED FURTHER WHEN THE REST OF THE TRAILS ARE DONE. SO, GREAT IDEAS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. UH, YOUTH COMMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDGE. I JUST WANT TO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR, UH, FOR PARTICIPATING. A LOT OF YOU ARE, UH, RETURNING FOR YOUR SECOND YEAR, SO CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE SERVICE. UH, I HAD A CHANCE ON THE WEEKEND AT THE YORKTOWN EVENTS TO ACTUALLY STAND WITH SEVERAL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FIFE AND DRUM, AND THEY, THEY, UM, CHEWED MY LEG OFF ON WANTING A SKATE PARK, . AND, AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS, YOUR, YOUR VOICE IS IMPORTANT. IT GIVES, IT GIVES US DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHERE WE NEED TO PUT PRIORITIES IN THE, UH, IN THE COUNTY. UH, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A SKATE PARK. I MEAN, WE'VE DEBATED THAT FOR YEARS, BUT YOUR VOICE IS IMPORTANT, AND IT LEADS US TO MAKE THOSE RIGHT DECISIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE WANT AND WHAT DO WE NEED. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. JOY. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL. UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS GROUP WHEN I WAS COMING THROUGH YORK HIGH SCHOOL, BUT, UH, UH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD IT BACK THEN. BUT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS AND GALS TO STEP UP AND, UH, GET SOME LEADERSHIP SKILLS UNDER YOUR BELT. AND ONE DAY YOU MAY BE SITTING HERE, YOU MAY BE SITTING IN A DELEGATE GREENS PLACE, OR, OR, UH, SENATOR DIGGS, UH, AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ASPIRATIONS TO DO THAT. BUT THIS IS A GREAT START FOR YOU TO GET YOUR FEET WET, GET INVOLVED, GET THOSE IDEAS, YOU KNOW, CHURNING AND, UH, REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU YOUNG PEOPLE STEPPING UP BECAUSE YOU'RE THE FUTURE. AND, UH, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, [2. Service Recognitions: Present service pins to employees for their years of service to York County. ] NOW I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SERVICE RECOGNITIONS THAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE BEFOREHAND. UH, CHIEF BALL, WOULD YOU JOIN ME, PLEASE? FOR THE, THIS IS FOR LIEUTENANT WAYNE C. BROWN FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY. WITH HOW MANY YEARS? 30 YEARS ALSO. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DEVELOP MEANS BILL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR LIEUTENANT BROWN'S 30 YEAR SERVICE TO THE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. UM, MY THANKS TO THE BROWN LIEUTENANT BROWN'S FAMILY FOR THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OVER THE YEARS SUPPORT OF THE DEPARTMENT IN SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. DOES MOTHER EMILY, HIS WIFE, JEN, DAUGHTER MCKENZIE MCKAY FROM ALSO THIS EVENING, LIEUTENANT BROWN. COME ON, PLEASE. [00:20:02] LIEUTENANT BROWN JOINED THE DEPARTMENT IN, UH, SEPTEMBER 95 AND WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT IN MARCH OF 2007, AND IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE LIEUTENANT ON D SHIFT AT STATION SIX, AND IS PART OF OUR MARINES AND RESPONSE TEAM. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GOOD, MA'AM. WELL, I TOLD HER I WANTED, IF WE COULD TURN THIS INTO THE YORKTOWN ONION, THAT'S MY FAVORITE , BUT I GOTTA GO FIVE MORE YEARS FOR THAT. I DUNNO IF I CAN. WELL, I GOTTA SAY, WAYNE, 30 YEARS IS A MILESTONE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE END OF THE TERM. THERE'S A FEW MORE YEARS AFTER THAT AND HOPE THAT YOU, HOPE THAT AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL STAY, BECAUSE WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO A FEW MORE YEARS THAT YOU CAN ENJOY AND WE CAN ENJOY YOU. SO LET'S GET OUR PICTURE TAKEN. . CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. SHERIFF MONTGOMERY, I THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S 25 YEARS. YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. IT'S MY DISTINCT PRIVILEGE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU BRIAN HARMON. HE HAS JUST RECENTLY COMPLETED 25 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH YORK COUNTY. HE STARTED HERE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2000. FOR THE FIRST 23 YEARS, HE WORKED FOR THE COUNTY WITH THE, UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, AND WAS A VIDEOGRAPHER WITH HIM TWO YEARS AGO IN 2023, I WAS PRIVILEGED TO HAVE HIM JOIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND HE'S MY MAIN VIDEOGRAPHER NOW. AND THIS SHOWS LIKE, NOT NEW YORK COUNTY NEWS FROM THE SHERIFF. SOME OF THE MOST RECENT ONES IS MOVE OVER MONDAYS, WHERE, UH, PRODUCTIONS ARE PUT TOGETHER BY BRIAN. HE'S DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB PRIOR TO COMING HERE. HE, UH, ACTUALLY WORKED FOR WAVY FOR THREE YEARS, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE HE GOT SOME OF HIS GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH. AND HE IS JOINED TONIGHT BY HIS WIFE, DEIDRE. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO 25 YEARS OF SERVICE. BRIAN HARMON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRIAN HAS BEEN MARVELOUS. STAY OH, THANK YOU. FOR, LET'S SEE, AT LEAST 15 MORE YEARS. , I'LL GIVE IT MY BEST SHOT. . THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. SO, YEAH, WHERE, WHERE AM I? RIGHT HERE? THIS ONE. OKAY. WE HAVE A RECEPTION TONIGHT. [4. Virginia Innovation Partnership Corporation (VIPC) Drone Presentation. Presentation from Chris Sadler, Director, VIPC Public Safety Innovation Center] WE HAVE SEVERAL, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS, AND WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE TO GO. THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST WILL BE THE VIRGINIA INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP CORPORATION DRONE PRESENTATION. AND I'LL CALL ON CHRIS SADLER. NICE TO SEE YOU. CHRIS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR OF VIPC, PUBLIC SAFETY INNOVATION CENTER. YES, MA'AM. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS PULLED UP HERE. AND THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, SO, MADAM CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY AND MR. HILL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME OUT TODAY AND SPEAK ABOUT, UH, REALLY COOL PROJECT THAT WE'RE ROLLING OUT ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. AND WE'RE ASKING YORK COUNTY TO HELP US IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, MY NAME IS CHRIS SADLER. UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'D BE BACK IN THIS BUILDING AFTER I RETIRED FOUR YEARS AGO FROM THE COUNTY . BUT, UH, HERE I AM, ACTUALLY, THIS IS MY SECOND TIME IN TWO WEEKS. I WAS HERE SPEAKING WITH THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, WITH ME TODAY, I'VE GOT, UM, SCOTT DENNY. HE IS THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS, UM, ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AND HOW YORK COUNTY CAN HELP THE COMMONWEALTH PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE OF AIRSPACE. SO, WHO IS THE VIRGINIA INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP AUTHORITY? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LAY THAT OUT FIRST. UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY THE NONPROFIT ARM OF THE VIRGINIA INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP AUTHORITY. SO, UM, WE WERE CREATED IN 1985 TO HELP THE COMMONWEALTH, UM, SUPPORT AND EXPEDITE NEW TECHNOLOGY ENTREPRENEURS. UM, THE YOUNG THINKERS COMING OUT OF UNIVERSITIES AND INSTITUTE OF HIGHER EDUCATION WITH GREAT IDEAS AND HELP TO GET THEM THEIR IDEAS TO COMMERCIALIZATION AND THE HOPES THAT WE CREATE, UH, GREAT HIGH PAYING JOBS, CREATE BUSINESSES AND DRAW OTHER BUSINESSES AND, AND OTHER ENTREPRENEURS TO VIRGINIA. UM, WE DO THAT THROUGH PROVIDING GRANTS, UM, INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITIES, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE FOR THEIR IDEAS, NETWORKING, PROMOTIONS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL. 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, THAT MAKES THE COMMONWEALTH AND OUR LOCALITY SUCCESSFUL. [00:25:01] SO FUTURE OF LOW LEVEL AIRSPACE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND I PUT THE, THE LITTLE PICTURE OF THE GEORGE JETS MOBILE IN HERE FOR, I KNOW THE, THE YOUNG ONES HAVE LEFT, BUT I THINK MOST OF US IN HERE KIND OF KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AIRSPACE BELOW A THOUSAND FEET OR SO. UM, THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOP THREE PICTURES THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT UPS, FEDEX AND AMAZON. THOSE ARE ACTUAL VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE USING RIGHT NOW, PROTOTYPING AND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. UM, THE VEHICLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE YELLOW AND WHITE AIRCRAFT, IS AN ADVANCED MOBILITY VEHICLE. IT'S A, UH, ULTRA SHORT AND TAKEOFF LANDING VEHICLE. ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC SHORT TAKEOFF AND LANDING VEHICLE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A MANASSAS COMPANY RIGHT HERE IN VIRGINIA. THEY'RE ONE OF THE LEADERS IN THIS AIRSPACE. RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS AN ELECTRIC HYBRID AIRCRAFT. MM-HMM . SO, UH, EIGHT BATTERY POWERED, UH, ENGINES FED BY A, A, UM, JET TURBINE ENGINE THAT JUST CHARGES THE BATTERIES AND, UH, ALLOWS THEM TO FLY. UM, THE BOTTOM TWO PICTURES ON THE LEFT ARE DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDERS. THAT'S ACTUALLY CHULA VISTA, CALIFORNIA. THEY WERE THE GODFATHERS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ABILITY TO SEND A DRONE OUT, UM, AHEAD OF, OR AT THE SAME TIME AS LAW ENFORCEMENT OR EVEN FIRE RESCUE, TO GET EYES, UH, EYES FROM ABOVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, UM, PROVIDE MEDICAL CARE, DELIVER, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE NARCAN OR TOURNIQUETS OR, OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO THE COMMONWEALTH IS, IS INVESTED IN THIS QUITE SUBSTANTIALLY. THEY'VE PROVIDED A MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND VIRGINIA INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP CORPORATION TO FIGURE OUT THE LOW LEVEL AIRSPACE AND HOW WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO THE FAA HAS TO AGREE TO THE SAFETY CASES TO ALLOW THINGS TO FLY THAT LOW. AND HOW IS ALL THAT GONNA WORK, RIGHT? UM, HOW ARE THE STREETS OF THE AIR GONNA BE ABLE TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN AND NOT CONFLICT THESE UNMANNED SYSTEMS, OR EVEN SOME OF THE MAN SMALLER SYSTEMS, HOW ARE THEY NOT GOING TO CONFLICT WITH MANNED AVIATION AND EACH OTHER? SO THEY'VE GIVEN US A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIGURE THIS OUT. WITH THIS MILLION DOLLARS, WE'VE SET UP A TEST SITE AT THE STAFFORD REGIONAL AIRPORT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PLACING ALL KINDS OF SENSORS TO DETECT THE AIRSPACE. WHERE WE'VE GOT, I THINK IT'S FIVE DIFFERENT, UM, VIRGINIA VENDORS THAT ARE WORKING WITH US, WITH THEIR SOFTWARE AND OTHER PROVISIONS TO CRUNCH ALL THESE THINGS TOGETHER AND PROVIDE THE SAFETY CASES WE NEED TO GO TO FAA AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UM, TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO INSTALL SENSORS ALL AROUND VIRGINIA TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INSTALLING THESE SENSORS IN STAFFORD. UM, WE'RE ALSO CREATING A CORRIDOR THAT'S GONNA GO FROM STAFFORD AROUND QUANTICO TO THE WARRENTON FA KERA COUNTY AIRPORT. MM-HMM . AND THEN UP TO WINCHESTER. IT'S ABOUT A 70 MILE TREK TO ALLOW LONG DISTANCE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT DRONE OPERATIONS TO HAPPEN. WE'RE ALSO WANTING TO EXPAND INTO THE HAMPTON ROADS AREA FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT REASONS. UM, NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS COMPLICATED AIRSPACE BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL RESTRICTED ZONE UP THERE. BUT HAMPTON ROADS RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY, HAMPTON, NEWPORT NEWS POCOS, AND HAS SOME OF THE MOST RESTRICTED AIRSPACE IN THE COUNTRY WITH LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, THE NAVAL WEAPONS STATION, FORT EUSTIS, UM, NORFOLK INTERNATIONAL, NORFOLK NAVY BASE, YOU CAN, IT'S HARD TO THROW A BASEBALL AND NOT BE IN SOMEBODY'S CONTROLLED AIRSPACE IN HAMPTON ROADS. SO THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE. IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN HERE, WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN ANYWHERE. SO THESE ARE THE SENSORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL. THEY'RE SIMPLY SET UP ON TRIPODS, UM, PLUG 'EM INTO A WALL OUTLET AND PROVIDE INTERNET CONNECTIVITY TO IT. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. THESE SENSORS WILL PROVIDE THE DETECT AND AVOID CAPABILITIES TO ALLOW THINGS LIKE DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO USE. UM, IT'LL ALLOW THINGS LIKE PACKAGE DELIVERY FROM WALMARTS AND FROM AMAZON AND FEDEX AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO HAPPEN. IT'LL ALLOW THINGS LIKE, UM, THE REAL ESTATE PHOTOGRAPHERS THAT TAKE PICTURES OF THE HOMES THAT ARE FOR SALE. UM, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN THINK OF. THE POWER LINE INSPECTIONS RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I COULD WALK OUT OF THE OFFICE ON GOODWIN NECK ROAD AND THE PARKING LOT, AND THERE'S A HELICOPTER FLYING THE POWER LINES TO DO THEIR INSPECTIONS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO. I THINK IT'S WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY. UM, IT COULD ALL BE DONE BY DRONES SAVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, NOT HAVING TO PUT A PERSON IN THE AIR, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO I'M GONNA LET SCOTT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE COMMERCIALIZATION AND SOME OTHER PARTS OF WHAT OUR PROJECT IS ENTAILING. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRIS. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS SCOTT DENNY. I'M WITH THE, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. I'M THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY PROGRAM MANAGER. UH, WE ARE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH VIPC ON SEVERAL PILOT PROJECTS. UH, THE SLIDE YOU SEE RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF THEM, AS CHRIS TOUCHED ON IT, IS WHAT WE CALL THE STAFFORD WARRENTON WINCHESTER CORRIDOR. UH, WE ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN INSTALLING SENSORS IN AND AROUND THE STAFFORD [00:30:01] REGIONAL AIRPORT, UH, TO DO THOSE TESTS THAT CHRIS WAS REFERENCING. UH, WE, OUR INTENT IS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION PUBLIC TO THE FAA, SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THE FAA AND ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY CALL PART ONE OH EIGHT ADOPTION, WHICH IS THE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT OPERATIONS OF DRONES. UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE TWO PROJECTS THAT THAT, THAT WE ARE WORKING. ANOTHER ONE, UH, IS OUT IN, UH, SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. THE AIRCRAFT THAT CHRIS POINTED OUT, THE ELECTRA AIRCRAFT. UH, THOSE ARE MORE OF THE PEOPLE MOVERS, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT WITH VIRGINIA TECH AND THE MID-ATLANTIC AVIATION PARTNERSHIP. WHY ARE WE DOING ALL THESE THINGS? WELL, ONE, UH, TRADITIONALLY THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION HAS HISTORICALLY DEALT WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AT OUR 65 PUBLIC USE AIRPORTS. TECHNOLOGY IS HERE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, AND WE HAVE TO INTEGRATE THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES INTO THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM. SO WE ARE CONDUCTING THESE TESTS IN HOPE OF, UH, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, OF THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND HOPEFULLY BRINGING THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE TO THE COMMONWEALTH. OKAY. SO WE SEE SEVERAL USE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HERE. FIRST IS, UH, DRONES IS FIRST RESPONDER MEDICAL, UH, DELIVERY. UH, AND CHRIS WILL TOUCH ON ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED A LITTLE HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. DISASTER RECOVERY INFRASTRUCTURE INSPECTIONS FROM THE STATE PERSPECTIVE. UH, BRIDGE INSPECTIONS, ROAD INSPECTIONS, UH, COUNTLESS OPPORTUNITIES AND COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS. SO WE, AGAIN, WE SEE THE FUTURE PACKAGE DELIVERY WITH THE WALMARTS AND AMAZON'S. IT'S COMING. UH, BASICALLY WE HAVE A MANDATE FROM FAA THAT, UM, TO REVIEW WHAT WAS CALLED RECOMMENDED PART 1 0 8, WHICH COVERS THIS BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT RULES AND REGULATIONS. SO TECHNICALLY WITHIN THE, THE NEXT 240 DAYS, WE REALLY EXPECT, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE FAA AS TO HOW THESE THINGS ARE GONNA WORK. SO WITH THAT, UM, SWITCH THAT BACK OVER TO CHRIS. SO VIRGINIA IS REALLY BEING RECOGNIZED AS A LEADER IN THIS SPACE. UM, OTHER STATES ARE FOLLOWING WHAT WE'RE DOING. UH, THE FAA IS WATCHING WHAT WE'RE DOING. IN FACT, SCOTT AND I AND A GROUP OF OTHERS WENT AND MET WITH THE PERSON AT THE FAA THAT'S IN CHARGE OF ADVANCED THEIR MOBILITY, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING. IT'S GROUNDBREAKING TECHNOLOGY. MM-HMM . UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER STATES TO FOLLOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, IN FACT, PENNSYLVANIA, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS, CALIFORNIA AND OHIO ARE VERY CLOSE BEHIND US IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, USING OUR BUMPS AND BRUISES THAT WE'RE ACCUMULATING ALONG THE WAY AS LEARNING TOOLS FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. UM, SO ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH, WE PROVIDED VIPC PROVIDED, UM, STARTUP FUNDING. WE PROVIDED $75,000 FOR A PROJECT THAT RIVERSIDE HEALTHCARE CAME TO US WITH VIRGINIA INSTITUTE OF SPACE FLIGHT AND AUTONOMY BASED AT ODU DRONE UP OF VIRGINIA BEACH, INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN, UM, DRONE COMPANY, UM, EASTERN SHORE, MIMA COUNTY PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION, AND, AND OTHERS. UM, RIVERSIDE HAS THE ISSUE WITH TANGER ISLAND AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, PHARMACEUTICALS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AT THEIR CLINIC. THERE MAYBE LAB WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. THOSE KIND OF THINGS, DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT COULD TAKE DAYS FOR A FERRY TO GET THERE, OR AN AIRPLANE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THERE, JUST DEPENDING, RIGHT. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVE THE CONCEPT, PROVIDE THIS STARTUP MONEY THAT LED TO A $1.9 MILLION GRANT THAT AKIMA COUNTY GOT FROM THE FEDERAL DOT TO PLAN THIS OUT AND, AND DO A PROOF OF CONCEPT AND ACTUALLY FLY DRONES LEGALLY WITH FA A'S PERMISSION ALL THE WAIVERS IN PLACE FROM RIVERSIDE, EASTERN SHORE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL TO TANGIER ISLAND. SO IT'S ABOUT A 13 MINUTE FLIGHT. IT'S ABOUT 17 MILES. UM, BUT WE CAN GET IT THERE IN 13 MINUTES AND TURN RIGHT BACK AROUND. SO LESS THAN 30 MINUTES, WE CAN GO OVER THERE, PICK UP WHATEVER IS NEEDED, AND BRING IT RIGHT BACK TO THE HOSPITAL TO RUN LABS. AND THEN WHATEVER TURNS OUT TO BE, IF YOU HAVE TO SEND SPECIAL MEDICINE BACK, IT CAN GO RIGHT BACK. SO IN THEORY, IN A COUPLE HOURS, WE CAN GET DONE. WHAT COULD TAKE DAYS WHERE THIS IS IMPORTANT IS IT WAS, IT WAS EASIER TO DO BECAUSE WE WERE DOING IT OVER WATER VERSUS POPULATED LAND. MM-HMM . SO THAT ENABLED US TO KIND OF DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY TABOO, BUT IT WAS NOT REALLY BEING DONE YET. BUT WHERE THIS PROVES OUT GREAT FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMONWEALTH IS YOU TAKE SOME OF THE RURAL AREAS WHERE IT COULD TAKE AN AMBULANCE SOMEWHERE TO GET 30 MINUTES TO, TO GET TO SOMEBODY IN, IN DISTRESS. YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THE VOLUNTEERS GET TO THE RESCUE SQUAD BUILDING, GET IN THE TRUCK, GO UP THE MOUNTAIN, DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO THE OTHER SIDE, IT, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PERIL ALREADY HAPPENED. AND, AND IT'S UN REVERSIBLE. UM, IF WE COULD SEND A DRONE OUT WITH MAYBE AN AUTOMATIC DEFIBRILLATOR NARCAN, UM, AN EPIPEN MM-HMM . UM, A TOURNIQUET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT COULD BE LIFE CHANGING AND THIS KIND OF, UM, [00:35:01] STUFF IS WHAT'S GONNA LEAD THE WAY TO ENABLE THIS TO HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD. UM, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, MEETING WITH THE, THE SHERIFF AND ALSO WITH THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS. NEWPORT NEWS HAS ALREADY SIGNED THEIR MOU WITH US, AND WE'RE WORKING TO GET THE SENSORS READY TO INSTALL IN SEVERAL AREAS FOR THEM FOR THEIR DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM. THE CIRCLES YOU SEE IN BLUE ARE KIND OF THE AREAS THAT NEWPORT NEWS IS LOOKING AT. NOW. THE YELLOW AREA DOWN THERE IS HUNTINGTON ANGLES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. WE PROVIDED THEM SOME OF OUR SENSORS TO TEST OUT AND TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THEY WERE HAVING THERE FOR A WHILE. UM, THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET THEIR OWN, AND WHEN THEY DO, WE'RE HOPING IN TALKS WITH THEM, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO INTERFACE THEIR DATA INTO OUR SYSTEM TO JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, BIGGER. THE THREE RED AREAS YOU SEE, THERE ARE THE AREAS THAT YORK COUNTY IS LOOKING AT NOW. UM, SO WE WOULD BE SETTING UP SENSORS IN THOSE AREAS SPECIFIC TO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY. HAVING THE ABILITY TO FLY DRONES OUTTA LINE OF SIGHT, UM, FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES THEY THEY NEED. UM, COMING FROM, FROM MY BACKGROUND, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, ANOTHER THING I REALLY SEE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THIS IS YORK COUNTY IS A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY. 236 MILES, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, OF WATERFRONT, UM, PROPERTY, UM, PRE HURRICANE, PRE NOR'EASTER TO BE ABLE TO FLY A DRONE, ESSENTIALLY PUSH THE BUTTON AND HAVE IT GO DO ITS THING AND FLY THAT, AND THEN BE ABLE TO DO IT AFTER THE STORM AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED. WE'LL HELP OUT WITH FEMA REPORTING, WITH DAMAGE ASSESSMENT, ALL KIND OF THINGS. SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AS WE BUILD IT OUT AND GET THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND THE REST OF THE, THE STATE COVERED WILL ENABLE THOSE KIND OF OPERATIONS TO HAPPEN. UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE SENSORS AND JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DEPICTION OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE BIGGER BLUE CIRCLES YOU SEE WITH THE GRIDS IN IT ARE THE ACTUAL AIR SPACES, THE CONTROLLED AIRSPACE AREAS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO MITIGATE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE COMPLEXITY OF, UM, WHERE WE'RE FLYING JUST AS A, FOR INSTANCE, THE NEW STATION ONE, I STILL CALL IT NEW STATION ONE, STATION ONE HAS A CEILING OF 150 FEET RIGHT NOW IS THE HIGHEST THEY CAN FLY IN THAT PARKING LOT THERE BECAUSE OF THE GRID THAT IT'S IN. FOR NEWPORT NEWS MEANS WE'RE AIRPORT WITH OUR SENSORS AND THINGS AND DEALING WITH THE FAA AND DEALING WITH THE TOWER THERE. WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INCREASED SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE BETTER SITUATIONAL AWARENESS IN AND AROUND THOSE, THOSE AREAS. UM, SO WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER. REALLY THE SENSOR LAYOUT THAT WE'RE DOING IS FOREMOST. AND, AND NUMBER ONE IS FOR THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE AIRSPACE, THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY OF THE FUTURE. UM, WHAT I CALL A CONSEQUENTIAL BENEFIT IS THE ABILITY FOR DRONES AS FIRST RESPONDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR THING. AND THE OTHER THING IS OUR, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE. MM-HMM . SO WE'RE WORKING WITH AIR FORCE AIR COMBAT COMMAND ON THE, UM, ABILITY TO SHARE OUR DATA. WE ALSO HAVE SOME DHS CONTRACT MONEY THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET DATA TO THE DOD IN A SECURE WAY THAT THEY CAN ACCEPT IT. WE JUST CAN'T SEND THEM A EMAIL OR TAP INTO THEIR NETWORK AND SEND 'EM DATA. IT'S ALL GOTTA BE CONFIGURED IN CYBER SECURED IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN ACCEPT IT. SO WE HAVE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL. AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN HAMPTON ROADS BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY LOOK AT WHAT IS INSIDE THEIR FENCE WITH THEIR SENSORS AND WHAT MAY HAPPEN TO BLEED OVER. THEY CAN'T GO AND INSTALL SENSORS OUTSIDE OF THEIR AREA, BUT IF WE'RE INSTALLING SENSORS OUTSIDE THE AREA FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AND THEY CAN ACCEPT THAT FEED NOW, THEIR ABILITY TO PROTECT THEIR BASE AND TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S COMING OR GOING JUST EXPONENTIALLY GETS BIGGER. SO THIS, THIS IS A LETTER FROM, UM, DR. JOHN MATEOS WITH THE AIR FORCE AIR COMBAT COMMAND. HE'S VERY IN INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE MEET WITH HIM PRETTY REGULARLY, AND, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN HAMPTON ROADS AS POTENTIALLY BEING SOMETHING, IF SUCCESSFUL, THEY CAN ROLL OUT TO OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF AIRCRAFT SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A AIRSTRIP, YOU KNOW, IN JEOPARDY OF MAYBE SOMEBODY FLYING OVER AND DOING SOMETHING NEFARIOUS. SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M, UH, HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING. AND I THINK THERE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME QUESTIONS. TOM, DO YOU WANNA START? YEAH, JUST, UM, AND THEN WITH MY BACKGROUND IN AVIATION, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE DRONES AND, UH, THE NEED FOR HIGHER LEVELS AND YOU SET A THOUSAND FEET. THAT IMMEDIATELY KIND OF GOES TO THE BASIC TRAFFIC PATTERN AROUND AN AIRPORT. AND A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF OF, UH, UM, AVIATORS IN THE, IN THE NON-COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL FLY SOMETIMES, UH, DOWN IN THERE AND, UM, AND THEY DO JUST VISUAL, UH, FLIGHTS. BUT THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, VFR, BUT THEN YOU END UP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR COLLISIONS IF THERE'S, YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES. YES. I MEAN, UH, SO WHEN I SAY ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET OR BELOW 400 FEET, 400 FEET BELOW IS WHERE YOUR DRONES ARE ALLOWED TO FLY UNLESS THEY HAVE SPECIAL WAIVERS, WHICH ARE HARD TO GET, TO BE ABLE TO FLY ANY HIGHER THAN 400 FEET. SO THAT AREA BETWEEN, LET'S SAY 400 AND A THOUSAND FEET IS WHERE I'M LOOKING AT THOSE BIGGER VEHICLES, THE AIRPLANE LOOKING VEHICLES. SO THE [00:40:01] MANNED VEHICLES. OKAY. I MEAN, BUT MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW AIRCRAFT, WAS THAT UNMANNED? YES, SIR. NO, NO, SIR. SIR. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, I FLEW EIGHT TENS AND EIGHT TENS AT A THOUSAND FEET WAS HIGH ALTITUDE. AND, UH, SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOWN AT 250 FEET OR SO. AND, AND, UH, AND THE SENSORS, THE SENSORS WERE USING ARE WILL BE THE A DSB. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PICK UP SQUAKING AIRCRAFT. MILITARY AIRCRAFT, OF COURSE, IS A ISSUE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UM, THE, UH, OTHER SENSORS WE HAVE ARE REMOTE ID, SO IT'S PICKING UP DRONES, RF SIGNALS FROM THE DRONES. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN OPTICAL, UM, SENSORS THAT ACTUALLY SCAN WITH HIGH POWERED CAMERAS AND LOOK FOR THINGS IN THE AIR, USE AI TO DETERMINE IF IT'S A BIRD OR AN AIRPLANE OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN THE FLIGHT SOFTWARE THAT, UH, THESE DRONES AND OTHER THINGS WE USING WILL DECONFLICT BASED ON ALL THAT INFORMATION. SO IS IT, SO, YEAH, SO I, THAT WAS THE QUESTION. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GONNA PRO PROVIDE, UM, AVIATION RULES AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, COLLISION AVOIDANCE FOR VARIOUS YES, YES, SIR. SO OUR STAFFORD REGIONAL, OUR, OUR STAFFORD PROJECT THAT WE SPOKE OF EARLIER, IT'S ANALYZING THAT EXACT THING. SO WE'VE INSTALLED SENSORS AT TWO FIRE STATIONS THAT KIND OF, UM, UH, UH, ENCIRCLE STAFFORD REGIONAL AIRPORT, AND WE'LL BE OPERATING DRONES IN THAT VICINITY. AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT FIRST IS A, A DESKTOP EXERCISE, AND THEN AN ACTUAL LIVE FLY EXERCISE. AND WE'RE DOING THAT TO ANALYZE THAT EXACT ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND STUDYING THAT INFORMATION AND SHARING THAT WITH FAA. OKAY. AND SO FOR, AND, AND WITH, UM, WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, HOW IS THAT, UH, MERGING? IT'S GONNA HAVE TO MERGE SOME WAY WITH THE, UH, FAA RULES? UH, YES. YOU LIKE, UH, WE, I DON'T IF THEY USE THE TERM ANYMORE TURPS, UH, FOR THE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. SO THE PATTERNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA BE SETTING UP THE RULES. IS THIS, IS THIS LIKE RIGHT NOW, JUST THE WILD WEST AND, AND LOW TUDE AVIATION, OR WHAT? , SO NOT QUITE, UH, SO, UH, THERE IS, UH, UH, SEVERAL IN ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? SO, UH, THE WHOLE INTENT IS A HARMONIOUS OPERATION BETWEEN TWO TYPES OF AIRCRAFT, RIGHT? MANNED TRADITIONAL AIRCRAFT, AND NOW THE UNMANNED DRONES. SO WE'RE ANALYZING THAT TYPE OF DATA RIGHT NOW. UH, BUT IT'S ALL GOING TO COMPLY WITH EXISTING FAA RULES. AND RIGHT NOW FAS ANALYZING WHAT'S CALLED PART 1 0 8, WHICH IS THE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT OPERATION OF THESE DRONES. SO ONCE THEY, ONCE THESE RULES COME IN LINE, EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS GEARED TO COMPLY WITH BOTH, UH, FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY, UH, REGARDING TRADITIONAL AVIATION OPERATIONS. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, UH, SOUNDS LIKE A VERY EXCITING, UH, TIME FOR YOU GUYS, AND I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS OUT. YES. THANK YOU. UH, DWAYNE, DID YOU SEE YOU? YEAH. SO, UM, GOOD TO SEE YOU, CHRIS. THANK YOU. BYE. HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE. UM, SO THESE SENSORS, UM, HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD YOU NEED IN THIS AREA? HAVE YOU FIGURED ALL THAT STUFF OUT? HAVE YOU GOTTEN THAT FAR? SO YES AND NO. AND HOW FAR APART ARE, ARE THEY? WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF THE SENSORS WE'RE LOOKING TO PLACE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TYPE THING, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME SENSORS OUT THERE, AND WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT OUT THERE IS GONNA WORK. BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, THAT ONE'S NOT DOING WHAT WE THOUGHT IT'S GONNA DO. IT DOESN'T DO WHAT THE MANUFACTURER REALLY SAID IT WAS GONNA DO. SO WE WILL SWAP AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN. UM, WE KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW THE REMOTE ID, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL DRONES TO HAVE A DEVICE THAT CAN PUT OUT A SIGNAL THAT CAN BE PICKED UP BY THESE REMOTE ID SENSORS. UM, THE OTHER IS A-A-D-S-B IN SENSOR, WHICH ESSENTIALLY, UM, TAKES ALL OF THE SQUAWKING SIGNALS THAT ARE PUT OUT BY A MANNED AIRCRAFT AND WILL PLOT IT ON THE MAP TO TELL US THERE'S AN AIRPLANE OVER HERE, IT'S COMING, IT'S AT THIS ALTITUDE, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN A, WHAT'S CALLED AN IRIS, CASSIA G, WHICH IS A OPTICAL, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, IT LOOKS LIKE. WELL, , IT LOOKS LIKE A MARTIN BIRDHOUSE TO ME. UM, THIS DEVICE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM . THIS HAS SIX CAMERAS ON IT, AND IT LOOKS OUT LIKE I SAID, AND, AND TRIES TO DETERMINE IF IT'S A BIRD, IF IT'S A PLANE, IF IT'S A DRONE, THAT TIME. IT USES ITS AI ALGORITHMS TO DETERMINE THAT. AND WE'LL PLOT THAT AGAIN ON THE MAP SO THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MAP, BUT ALSO THE DATA WILL BE TAKEN FROM OUR SYSTEMS AND GO INTO THE FLIGHT SOFTWARE SO THAT THE DRONE THAT'S LEAVING, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO GO OUT ON A MISSION KNOWS TO GO AROUND THIS WAY, DEFER THIS WAY, WATCH OUT FOR THAT TOWER. UM, ALL THE, AND AGAIN, ON OUR, ON OUR SYSTEMS, IT ALSO HAS GEOGRAPHICAL PROBLEMS, [00:45:01] TOWERS, GUY WIRES, UM, BUILDINGS, UM, PLACES YOU MAY, MIGHT NOT BE ILLEGAL TO FLY OVER, BUT YOU PROBABLY JUST SHOULDN'T FLY OVER IT. LIKE THE NEWPORT NEWS WATER WORKS, UM, VIRGINIA POWER DISTRIBUTION PLACES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THESE, UM, SENSORS, WOULD YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM ON LIKE THE CELLULAR TOWERS OR SOMETHING TO GET THE VISUAL THAT YOU WOULD NEED? YES, SIR. UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING NOW IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SEE HERE. IT'LL BE ON A TRIPOD MM-HMM . UM, TYPE SYSTEM. THERE MAY BE SOME, LIKE THE THIRD ONE YOU SEE OVER THERE THAT MIGHT NEED TO ATTACH TO A POLE. FOR INSTANCE, IF WE ENDED UP PUTTING ONE, LET'S SAY AT STATION FOUR, UM, THAT'S ALL PITCH ROOF. THERE'S NO FLAT ROOF TO PUT THIS ON. WE MAY HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING POLE. WE WOULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, GENERAL SERVICE AND ALL TO FIX, BUT I GUESS IT'D HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN THE TREES, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. UM, NOT NECESSARILY. I MEAN, THE HIGHER THE, THE BETTER TO AN EXTENT. UM, BUT SOME OF THESE ARE RF SIGNALS. UM, THE CAMERAS CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE TO BE HIGHER THAN THE TREES. RIGHT. SO WE, WE KNOW THE AREAS THAT, THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR THESE OPERATIONS. ONCE ALL THE, THE MOU GETS APPROVED AND EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE OUR CONTRACTING AGENCY, A TA AVIATION, UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THIS IN MULTIPLE STATES, BUT THEY'RE A VIRGINIA BASED COMPANY RIGHT NOW. THEY WILL SEND THEIR ENGINEER OUT AND HE WILL VISIT SITES WITH US AND THE YORK COUNTY STAFF TO DETERMINE, NO, THIS ONE WON'T WORK. THIS ONE REALLY DOES WORK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT CAN SAY, YES, I CAN GET YOU, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY THERE AND WE CAN GET YOU POWER IF IT'S NOT ALREADY THERE. AND WE'LL WORK ALL THAT OUT WITH THEM, DEVELOP A INSTALL PLAN TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND THEN START INSTALLING THE EQUIPMENT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S LIKE, IT'S EXCITING THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY AND TIDEWATER AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM MM-HMM . SO THAT'S A, THAT'S EXCITING TO ME. UM, HOW DOES LIKE SOMETHING LIKE STARLINK PLAY INTO THIS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD UTILIZE? SO YES AND NO. PROBABLY NOT FOR THIS. WHERE WE WOULD USE SOMETHING LIKE A LTE CONNECTION OR A STARLINK CONNECTION IS AN AREA THAT WE CANNOT GET INTERNET CONNECTIVITY. UM, SO IF WE WERE IN A RURAL AREA WHERE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE GOOD INTERNET MM-HMM . THEN WE MIGHT WOULD USE STARLINK TO DOUG'S AT WILLIAMSBURG. YEAH, YEAH, I KNOW RIGHT. WHERE HE'S AT . UM, YEAH. UM, YEAH. SO STARLINK IS BEING USED. I THINK THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS STARLINK ON THEIR DRONE TRAILER IN CASE THEY GO INTO AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT, OR IT'S A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE OR SOMETHING THAT TAKES DOWN OUR CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. MORE DISASTER. YEAH. SO I, I THINK DOWN THE ROAD, AND I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS WHEN THIS REALLY STARTS GETTING OPERATIONALIZED AND THINGS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP TO THE BACKUP MM-HMM . AND, AND AT THAT POINT THERE, SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MAY BE LOOKED AT. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST A, A PLUGIN INTERNET CONNECTIVITY OR AN LTE CARD IF WE, WE HAD TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE ON YOUR MAP WHERE DISTRICT ONE OR THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA IS COVERED. IS, IS THAT A FUTURE? UH, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE, THE SHERIFF . OKAY. AND THE FIRE CHIEF, I, I DO KNOW THAT. AND JAMES CITY COUNTY HAS, UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH VCU MEDICAL CENTER. THEY'RE ALSO WORKING WITH, UM, DUKE MED AND FORSYTH COUNTY IN NORTH CAROLINA. THEY RECEIVED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO PLAN OUT THE USE OF DRONES TO DELIVER AUTOMATIC DEFIBRILLATORS. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, JUST HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM LAST WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THE SENSOR NEEDS THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT WORK AND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO WORK WITH US TO PLAN THAT OUT. AND WHEN THEY BUILD THEIR SENSOR NETWORK, THAT IT TIES INTO THE SAME VIRGINIA PROJECT. MM-HMM. AND I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW HOW THE UPPER END OF THE COUNTY IS, IF JAMES CITY'S PUTTING STUFF UP IN JAMES CITY, IT PROBABLY WILL HAVE A LOT OF BLEED OVER INTO NEW YORK COUNTY. SO I, I THINK IT'S REALLY SMART TO KIND OF WAIT A LITTLE BIT. THEY'RE USING GRANT MONEY TO DO THEIRS. MM-HMM . LET'S LET THEM PLAN THEIRS OUT, AND THEN WE MAYBE CAN JUST FILL IN A FEW HOLES THAT THEIRS DOESN'T COVER AND HAVE THE HOLE UPPER INTO THE COUNTY COVER. AND, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE RATIONALE FOR NEWPORT NEWS AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME OF THAT OVERLAP. SO FROM A VIRGINIA PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE STATE EVENTUALLY COVER. YEAH. EVENTUALLY. YEAH. AND ONE OTHER POINT WITH, WITH THE DATA, ALL THIS DATA IS FEEDING INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE VIRGINIA FIXED SYSTEM. THE VIRGINIA FLIGHT INFORMATION EXCHANGE SYSTEM. IT'S A DASHBOARD KIND OF SYSTEM THAT WILL TAKE ALL THE SENSORS, EVERYTHING UP IN VIRGINIA TO ALLOW THE FLIGHT PLANNING STUFF TO TAKE PLACE. UM, THIS IS OWNED BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. SO ALL THIS DATA THAT WE'RE COMPILING IS AUTHORITATIVE DATA OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION. MM-HMM . AND ONE OTHER QUESTION. UH, I THINK FIXED WING AIRCRAFT DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF STAYING A THOUSAND FEET AND ABOVE. UM, HELICOPTERS DON'T , UH, PARTICULARLY IN MY AREA. AND, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN, UH, THAT, HOW ARE YOU PROTECTING IT AGAINST, UH, LOW FLYING HELICOPTERS? ACTUALLY, UH, SO CHRIS TOUCHED ON IT. THE VIRGINIA INFORMATION, UH, VIRGINIA, UH, FIX, UH, IS WHAT WE CALL IT FLIGHT INFORMATION EXCHANGE. UH, IF YOU THINK OF IT AS A, UH, INSTEAD OF A TRAFFIC UH, [00:50:01] MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IT'S A TRAFFIC ADVISORY SYSTEM. SO IT LETS INDIVIDUALS IN, UH, KNOW WHO'S OPERATING WHERE. SO IT GIVES, GIVES THE PILOTS BOTH ON THE GROUND AND IN THE AIR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. THE OPTICAL CAMERA IS GONNA PLAY. THE BIGGEST PART IN THAT. I MEAN, I, WE KNOW ALL, WELL, I WAS PART OF THE DRONE PROGRAM HERE, UM, AND WE DO A LOT OF FLYING IN SEAFORD AT THE FIRE STATION THERE, AND I SWEAR, I THINK THEY DELIVER MAIL FROM FORT STORY TO FORT YUS ABOUT 10 TIMES A DAY BY LOW FLYING HELICOPTERS THAT FLY OVER AT 4, 5, 600 FEET, AS WELL AS THE CESSNAS JUST DOING TOUCH AND GOS FLY RIGHT OVER TOP OF BAT CREEK AND BACK OVER. AND NONE OF THEM ARE SQUAWKING, SO WE CAN'T PICK THEM UP BY, SAME PROBLEM THEY HAD UP AT, AT DULLES WITH THE, THE HELICOPTER AND AIRPLANE CRASH. THEY WERE NOT SQUAWKING, SO THEY, THEY COULDN'T BE SEEN. YEAH. UM, IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE. THAT'S WHY THE, THE IRIS CASIA G THE OPTICAL SYSTEM IS VERY IMPORTANT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE CAN'T RELY ON ONE DETECTOR TO PROVIDE WHAT WE NEED IT TO. WE HAVE A, UM, ASSEMBLY OF DIFFERENT DETECTORS AT ALL, DETECT DIFFERENT WAYS SO THAT IF ONE DOESN'T PICK IT UP, HOPEFULLY THESE OTHER TWO DO. AND THE OPTICAL CAMERA IS JUST FOR THAT REASON. IT'S FOR THE LOW FLYING THINGS. IT'S TIME. DAYTIME ONLY THOUGH, UH, IT'S DAYTIME ONLY. IT HAS SOME NIGHTTIME CAPABILITIES. IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THREE AND FOUR MILES WITH IT, BUT WE'LL GET MAYBE A MILE. BUT THE, THE OTHER GOOD PART OF THIS IS THERE'S CURRENT, UH, WAYS THAT THE DRONES CAN STILL FLY AT NIGHTTIME BEYOND WHAT THIS CAN SEE AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING IT AT LIKE 200 FEET. SO RIGHT ABOVE THE TREE LINES. THANK YOU. UH, MR. ROWAN HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL. YES MA'AM. SO, AND WE'LL END THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. VERY INTERESTING. I'M GONNA ASK THAT YOU PLEASE KEEP US UP TO SPEED WITH THE PROGRAM AS IT MOVES FORWARD. UM, THIS IS THE TYPE OF TIP OF THE SPEAR TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT I WANNA SEE YORK COUNTY VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES AS NEW BUSINESS COULD COME IN TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY. MM-HMM . OR THE INDUSTRY AS, AS A WHOLE, DEVELOPING DRONE, DEVELOPING DRONE PAR SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, LIKE TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE THERE. YOU MENTIONED MANNED DRONES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT REMOTELY MANNED DRONES OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IN THE COCKPIT DRONES? SO I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRONE OR SOMEONE IN THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE THREE AIRCRAFT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE, THE YELLOW ONE ON THE RIGHT FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND THOSE OTHER TWO ARE CURRENTLY MANNED. OKAY. SO PEOPLE, SOMEBODY IN THE COCKPIT. YES, SIR. FLYING IN SIR. ALRIGHT, SO THE AIRCRAFT, THE YELLOW ONE THERE IS JUST A TWO SEATER AIRCRAFT RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WORKING ON, IS IT A NINE SEATER? NINE SEATER? IT'S A NINE SEATER. THE COOL THING ABOUT THAT ONE IS IT TAKES OFF AND LANDS AND HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD. I, I SWEAR THAT LOOKS LIKE AN AI GENERATED PICTURE WITH THOSE LITTLE TINY PROPELLERS, BUT IT'S, I BLEW IT UP, SO IT'S A LITTLE PIXELATED, BUT NO, I WAS JUST AT VIRGINIA TECH A COUPLE, COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SCOTT AND I, AND THEY ACTUALLY FLEW THAT IN AND IT LANDS, AND I KID YOU NOT A HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD, 120 TO 150 FEET, 19 KNOTS. IT COMES IN AND JUST IS IS, IS THERE ANY PART OF THE PROGRAM LOOKING AT HOW THIS TECHNOLOGY CAN BE USED OVER THE WATER EMERGENCY RESPONSE SEARCH OR RESCUE MARINE RESEARCH AND SO FORTH? AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S FLEW OVER ACROSS THE BETA TANGER ALL IN THE BACK. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WATER RIGHT THERE. YORK RIVER, JAMES RIVER, CHESAPEAKE BAY, YES. AND SO FORTH. UM, WE, WHAT YOU WON'T HAVE, OR MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE THOSE SENSORS OUT THERE AS WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE FOOTPRINT FOR THE WATER LOOK LIKE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF REALLY COOL THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DRONES AND PARTICULARLY THE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SITE CAPABILITY FOR THE DRONES TO DO OVER WATER. UM, WE WERE JUST, I GET TO DO SOME REALLY COOL STUFF. UM, A COMPANY CAME TO US THE OTHER DAY THAT HAS A AI TOOL THAT CAN LOOK AT DOWN TO A PIXEL TO HELP LOOK FOR SOMEBODY. THEY GOT THEIR ALGORITHMS THAT THEY KNOW WHAT A PERSON LOOKS LIKE STANDING UP, UM, LOOKING FROM STRAIGHT DOWN ALL THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S A PERSON AND A GARBLE OF STUFF. RIGHT. AND THEY CAN FIND, THEY GO DOWN WHEN YOU FLY, YOU CAN DO, I THINK IT WAS EITHER 13 OR 1800 ACRES AN HOUR. THEY CAN SEARCH AND THEY LOOK AT THE PIXELS, THE AI LOOKS AT THE PIXELS AND SAYS, HERE'S WHERE I THINK A PERSON IS. HERE'S WHAT I THINK. THEY'VE ASKED US TO WORK WITH THEM NOW. AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THE COUNTY DRONE GUYS ARE ON THE CALL WITH US. THEY'VE ASKED US TO HELP THEM STUDY HOW THIS WOULD WORK OVER WATER. SO YOU TAKE A, SOMEBODY THAT FELL OFF A BOAT, SCALLOP BOAT OUT IN THE BAY COMING IN OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SEND A DRONE OUT OF OUTTA LINE OF SIGHT, YOU KNOW, FIVE MILES OUT AND START SEARCHING FOR THAT PERSON USING THE AI TO BE ABLE TO DETECT THEM. SO WHAT'S YOUR ASK OF YORK COUNTY? MY ASK OF YORK COUNTY RIGHT THIS MINUTE IS TO ALLOW US, UH, ALLOW THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO WORK WITH US ON THE MOU TO ALLOW US TO INSTALL THESE SENSORS ON COUNTY BUILDINGS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM. IT'S BEEN A FASCINATING PRESENTATION. I CAN TELL YOU A LOT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, AND [5. Tourism Events for the Holiday Season. Presentation by Kevin Ritchie, Event Manager and Alicia Taylor, Waterfront Operations Specialist] NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE [00:55:01] TOURISM EVENTS FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON. IT DOESN'T SEEM POSSIBLE THAT CHRISTMAS IS AROUND THE CORNER. WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD HALLOWEEN YET. WOW. THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA SKIP THIS TO THE BAG. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN NOEL, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY, MR. HILL. MY NAME IS ALICIA TAYLOR AND I AM THE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS SPECIALIST. JOINING ME TONIGHT IS KEVIN RICHIE, EVENT MANAGER. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO JOIN YOU THIS EVENING. ON BEHALF OF YORK COUNTY ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR EVENT SUCCESSES AND UPCOMING EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. SO WE'VE HAD A VERY BUSY OCTOBER WITH THE RETURN OF OUR FALL FESTIVALS AND OUR THEMED MARKETS. THE LINEUP KICKED OFF WITH THE NEW TWO-DAY YORKTOWN WINE AND OYSTER FESTIVAL ON OCTOBER 4TH AND FIFTH, WHICH FEATURED WINERIES FROM AROUND THE STATE, A CRAFT BEER GARDEN, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, FOOD TRUCKS, AND ARTISAN VENDORS. GUESTS ENJOYED OYSTERS, PREPARED A VARIETY OF WAYS TO INCLUDE RAW, ROASTED AND STEAMED. THE FESTIVAL ALSO FEATURED AN OYSTER SHUCK OFF COMPETITION, WHICH ALLOWED PARTICIPANTS TO GO HEAD TO HEAD AND SHOWCASE THEIR SKILLS AND SPEED. THE FESTIVAL IS PRESENTED IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE VIRGINIA OYSTER TRAIL, TIDEWATER OYSTER GARDENERS ASSOCIATION, AND THE VIRGINIA INSTITUTE OF MARINE SCIENCE. OUR NEXT THEMED MARKET WAS THE FALL FESTIVAL, WHICH FEATURED VENDORS, A PUMPKIN PATCH, PUMPKIN DECORATING CONTEST, FACE PAINTERS, AND A BALLOON ARTIST, AND MUCH MORE. COMING UP THIS SATURDAY, WE DO HAVE OUR PAUSE AT THE RIVER MARKET. THIS EVENT PROVIDES VISITORS WITH FREE PET PORTRAITS AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR ANNUAL PEP PARADE. ADDITIONALLY, KIDS CAN TRICK OR TREAT AT VARIOUS BUSINESSES IN HISTORIC YORKTOWN. FOLLOWING THAT TO ROUND OUT OCTOBER, WE DO HAVE THE RETURN TO THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT ON SUNDAY YORK TOBER FEST. SO THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL HOST YORK 12 FEST, WHICH WILL FEATURE MANY LOCAL BUSINESS, LOCAL BREWERIES, ENTERTAINMENT, AND FOOD TRUCKS. WAIT, THERE'S MORE. SO IN NOVEMBER, KICKING OFF ON NOVEMBER 1ST, WE HAVE THE VINTAGE MARKET, WHICH RETURNS TO THE MAC ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 1ST WITH THE ANTIQUES FOLK ART, A CLASSIC CAR SHOW, FOOD TRUCKS, AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. OUR TWO DAY MARITIME FESTIVAL, WHICH IS SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH AND SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH, WILL FEATURE A WORK BOAT EXHIBITION ON THE RIVERWALK LANDING PIERS. AND WE WILL ALSO HAVE A PIRATE ENCAMPMENT MARITIME HISTORY DISPLAY IN THE FREIGHT SHED, A REENACTMENT OF THE YORKTOWN TEA PARTY AND MORE. TO WRAP UP OUR FALL THEMED MARKETS, WE HAVE THE HARVEST FESTIVAL ON NOVEMBER 15TH WHERE VISITORS CAN COME AND ENJOY A HAY RIDE, A WALKTHROUGH, A HAY MAZE, TAKE THE VIRGINIA, OR TAKE IN THE VIRGINIA LIVING MUSEUM ANIMAL SHOW AT THE FREIGHT SHED AND EVEN TEST THEIR SKILLS WITH AN INFLATABLE AXE THROWING ACTIVITY. NOW ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, THE COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WHRO PUBLIC MEDIA, YORK COUNTY, THE JAMESTOWN YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, AND THE VA TWO 50 COMMISSION, INVITED THE PUBLIC TO A SPECIAL SCREENING OF THE NEW KEN BURNS DOCUMENTARY, THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ON THE YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD. THIS UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FEATURED A NEVER BEFORE SEEN EXCERPTS FROM THE SOON TO BE RELEASED FILM, SHOWCASING PIVOTAL MOMENTS FROM THE SIEGE OF YORKTOWN, A DEFINING EVENT IN AMERICA'S HIS, UH, FIGHT FOR IN INDEPENDENCE BEFORE AN AUDIENCE OF MORE THAN 7,500 ATTENDEES. THE EVENT FEATURED PERFORMANCES FROM THE OLD GUARD, THE FIFE SYNDROME OF YORKTOWN, AND ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS OF ARTILLERY DEMONSTRATIONS, REVOLUTIONARY SPY GAMES, LIVING HISTORY ENCAMPMENTS, AND A 250 YEAR CANVAS PAINT MURAL AND MORE. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE HAD A VERY BUSY ACTION PACKED FALL SEASON, BUT THERE IS STILL MORE TO COME WITH THE HOLIDAY SEASON RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. PUBLIC WORKS CREWS WILL SOON BE PREPARING THE TOWN FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON WITH THE INSTALLATION [01:00:01] OF GREENERY AND RIBBONS ON THE LIGHT POLES. THEY WILL ALSO INSTALL THE YORKTOWN CHRISTMAS TREE AT THE WATERFRONT. THE TREE STANDS 24 FEET TALL AND SERVES AS A CLEAR INDICATOR THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON HAS OFFICIALLY STARTED HERE IN NEW YORKTOWN. NOW I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO KEVIN AND HE WILL FILL YOU IN ON ALL THE FAMILY FRIENDLY HOLIDAY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR YORKTOWN THIS SEASON. THANK YOU, ALICIA. IF YOU GUYS WILL INDULGE ME, I'D LIKE TO GET IN THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT, IF THAT'S OKAY. WOULDN'T BE THE HOLIDAYS WITHOUT KEVIN WEARING HIS CHRISTMAS HAT. ALL RIGHT, . ALL RIGHT. SO THE UPCOMING HOLIDAY EVENTS, UM, THE HOLIDAY EVENT SEASON IN, UH, YORKTOWN WILL KICK OFF WITH THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS TREE LADIES CEREMONY, THE COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY TRADITIONS SPONSORED BY THE YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE THIS YEAR, THE EVENT FEATURES PERFORMANCES BY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHOIRS, WHICH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY THE PROCESSION OF LIGHTS DOWN TO THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT, LED BY THE FIFES AND DRUMS OF YORKTOWN. AT THE WATERFRONT, THERE'LL BE A MUSICAL PERFORMANCE FOLLOWED BY THE OFFICIAL LIGHTING OF THE YORKTOWN CHRISTMAS TREE AT THE FREIGHT SHED. VISITORS CAN CREATE A HOLIDAY CARD TO SERVICE MEMBERS OR WRITE A LETTER TO SANTA. YOU MAY ABLE TO NOT EVEN SPOT A SPECIAL GUEST DOWN THERE AT THE WATERFRONT. IF WE CAN BREAK 'EM AWAY FROM THE NORTH POLE, THE FOLLOWING DAY, KICKS OFF OUR DAY CHRISTMAS MARKET ON MAIN THISDAY EVENT FEATURES MORE THAN 80 VENDORS, INCLUDING ARTIST, FOOD VENDORS, AND SPECIAL HOLIDAY GIFT OFFERINGS. IN ADDITION TO THE VENDORS, THERE'LL BE A AUSTRALIAN ENTERTAINMENT, ICE CARVING, DEMONSTRATIONS, BLACKSMITH, COLONIAL ORBIT MAKING, AND MUCH MORE. ON SATURDAY, VISITORS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY WITH ST. ON MAIN STREET, WITH YORK COUNTY'S OLD 55 DODGE VINTAGE FIRE TRUCK ON SATURDAY EVENING, A CROWD FAVORITE RETURNS TO YOUR TOWN WITH THE LIGHT OF BOAT PARADE. THE EVENT IS SPONSORED BY THE LIGHT OF BOAT PARADE COMMITTEE OF THE YOURTOWN FOUNDATION AND IS A BIG UNDERTAKING. WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT PULL OFF THIS VERY SPECIAL YORKTOWN TRADITION. FAMILIES CAN ENJOY CIDER, HOT COCOA PROVIDED BY THE LOCAL BOY SCOUT GROUP. ENJOY FIRE PITS TO WARM UP AND TAKE IN AUSTRALIAN ENTERTAINMENT THAT WILL BE PROVIDED THAT EVENING. THE PARADE STARTS AT 7:00 PM HOWEVER, WE RECOMMEND GUESTS ARRIVE EARLY TO DINE AT YORKTOWN WATERFRONT RESTAURANTS, OR VISIT ONE OF THE SITE FOOD VENDORS FOR THIS VERY POPULAR EVENT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SECOND DAY OF CHRISTMAS MARKET ON MAIN COOKIES WITH SANTA WILL TAKE PLACE ON SUNDAY, DECEMBER 7TH AT YORK HALL. THIS EVENT IS FREE AND IS SPONSORED BY THE GALLERY AT YORK HALL AND ALL ITS VOLUNTEERS THAT MAKE THIS EVENT HAPPEN. KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO VISIT SANTA, TAKE A PICTURE, DROP OFF THEIR CHRISTMAS WISHLIST FOR DELIVERY TO THE NORTH POLE. PARENTS CAN SHOP THE GALLERY FOR UNIQUE GIFTS MADE BY LOCAL AND REGIONAL ARTISTS. ARTISTS. WE'RE EXCITED ONCE AGAIN TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MAGICAL NIGHT OF AN ENCHANTED EVENING ON MAIN STREET. THIS IS THE EVENING. GUESTS CAN EXPERIENCE A NATIVITY SCENE WITH LIVE ANIMALS, ICE CARVING, DEMONSTRATION, CHESTNUT ROASTING, AND AUSTRALIAN ENTERTAINMENT, A MAKE AND TAKE KIDS CRAFT AND SEASONAL VENDORS. THIS'LL BE A SPECIAL EVENING ON MAIN STREET THAT'LL BE LINED WITH LUMINARIES, CRESCENTS, AND BRAZIERS TO LIGHT UP MAIN STREET. WE HAVE SOME NEW ENHANCE EVENT ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE SURE TO MAKE THIS A GREAT HOLIDAY EVENT THIS YEAR. LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, KIDS CAN VISIT WITH SANTA AT YORK HALL WHILE THE ADULT SHOP FOR UNIQUE CHRISTMAS GIFTS IN THE GALLERY. OUR FINAL HOLIDAY THEMED, UH, EVENT WILL BE THE MISSILE TOE MARKET HELD DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT. FAMILIES CAN ENJOY LIVE MUSIC FROM CENTER STAGE ACADEMY AND TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOP ONE OF THE, UM, HOLIDAY GIFTS THAT'LL BE, UM, ON DISPLAY. THE MARKET HAS PASSED WITH PACKED WITH HOLIDAY THEMED FUN FREIGHT SHED FAMILIES WILL VISIT SANTA AND UH, CAN SEE A MODEL TRAIN DEMO AS WELL SET UP IN THE FREIGHT. SHE, SPEAKING OF TRAINS, FAMILIES CAN RIDE THE FREE POLAR EXPRESS THAT WILL BE SET UP AT THE WATERFRONT AND MARCH IN THE TOYLAND PARADE. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'LL BE KIDS CRAFTS, COLONIAL ORNAMENT MAKING, AND AN ICE CARVING DEMONSTRATION AS WELL FOR FAMILIES. ALSO IN DECEMBER, THERE ARE A FEW COMMUNITY PARTNER EVENTS THAT ARE FREE TO YORK COUNTY CITIZENS CHRISTMAS TIDE IN VIRGINIA AT THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION MUSEUM. LEARN ABOUT COLONIAL HOLIDAY TRADITIONS, BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR, AND THE REESE ACROSS AMERICA EVENT. SPONSORED BY THE YORKTOWN CHIEF PETTY OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND THE COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK. THE GOAL IS TO PLACE A WREATH ON EACH GRAVE AT THE YOURTOWN NATIONAL CEMETERY. YOU CAN VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME OR DONATE MONEY TO PURCHASE A WREATH AGAIN THIS YEAR, DO THE INCREASE IN POPULARITY AND ATTENDANCE. YOUR COUNTY ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT STAFF AT PARK HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO HELP BRING THIS EVENT TO THE PUBLIC. NOW I'M GONNA PASS THE PRESENTATION BACK TO ALICIA TO TALK ABOUT VA TWO 50 EVENTS, INFORMATION AND UPCOMING EVENTS IN 2026. [01:05:07] SO AS PART OF OUR ONGOING COLLABORATION WITH LOCALITIES AND NONPROFITS ACROSS THE STATE, SUCH AS JAMESTOWN, YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK, WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, COLONIAL SEAPORT FOUNDATION, AND MORE TO CELEBRATE MAJOR MILESTONES IN VIRGINIA AND THE NATION'S HISTORY, AND TO ALIGN WITH THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FOUNDING OF OUR GREAT NATION, THE SEMI QUINCENTENNIAL IN 2031, A FORMAL REQUEST HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE UNITED STATES NAVY TO CONSIDER A COMMISSION A NEW USS YORKTOWN. THIS INITIATIVE WOULD HONOR YORKTOWN'S LEGACY AS THE SITE OF AMERICA'S VICTORY IN 1781. OKAY, SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS IN 2026. WE HAVE A GREAT LINEUP AHEAD WITH AN ENHANCED 4TH OF JULY, AND THEN TWO LIGHTS FOR TOMORROW. THAT HAPPENS ON JULY 3RD, 2026. WE ALSO HAVE PLANNED VICTORY WEEKEND, WHICH INCLUDES OUR VICTORY MARKET, YORKTOWN DAY CELEBRATIONS, LIVE MUSIC, AND MUCH MORE. NEXT WE HAVE THE SAIL YORKTOWN FESTIVAL. SO EMBARK ON AN UNFORGETTABLE ADVENTURE AT THE SALE YORKTOWN UH, FESTIVAL, AN OFFICIAL SAIL, VIRGINIA 2026 AFFILIATE HARBOR EVENT ON JUNE 12TH THROUGH 14TH 2026. WITNESS BREATHTAKING TALL SHIPS TO INCLUDE THE GODSPEED LUNA PICTON CASTLE AND OUR HOME PORTED TALL SHIPS SCHOONER ALLIANCE TWO AND SCHOONER SERENITY. THE FESTIVAL WILL FEATURE EDUCATIONAL EXHIBITS, HIS HISTORICAL INTERPRETATIONS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. WE'LL PAY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA'S AND YORKTOWN'S RICH HISTORY AND HERITAGE DURING THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT. THE EVENT WILL SPAN ACROSS ALL OF HISTORIC YORKTOWN, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO RIVERWALK LANDING, YORKTOWN WATERFRONT, YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD VISITOR CENTER, READOUTS NINE AND 10, THE MOREHOUSE HISTORIC MAIN STREET AND AMERICAN REVOLUTION MUSEUM AT YORKTOWN. SO BEFORE WE WRAP UP, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO PUT SOME DATES ON YOUR CALENDAR. WE DO HAVE OUR WINTER MARKETS RETURNING TO THE WATERFRONT ON SATURDAYS FEBRUARY 14TH AND 28TH, AND MARCH 14TH AND 28TH. THEN GET READY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE YORK COUNTY RESTAURANT WEEK HAPPENING FEBRUARY 20TH THROUGH MARCH 1ST, 2026. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS, DELICIOUS MEALS, AND ENJOY SOME SPECIAL DEALS. AS ALWAYS, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ALL THE WONDERFUL EVENTS AND MUCH MORE CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE@WWW.VISITYORKTOWN.ORG OR THROUGH ONE OF OUR VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR COUNTY ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. CONSIDER IT A GREAT HONOR TO BE A PART OF MAKING THE HOLIDAY SEASON SPECIAL HERE IN NEW YORKTOWN. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL AND YOUR FAMILIES DOWN AT THE UPCOMING EVENTS. THANK YOU BOTH SO VERY MUCH. BUT THANK TO ALL THE STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS CHALK BLOCK FULL AND IF ANYBODY IS BORED, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO DO REGARDLESS OF YOUR AGE, AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL PAY ATTENTION AND WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS AND MARK OFF EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANNA COME AND SEE, BECAUSE AS I SAID, THERE'S SO MUCH THERE OVER SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE WATERFRONT SO EXCITING IN JUMPING WITH PEOPLE. AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY DOWN THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU, YOU ALL WORK SO HARD TO MAKE IT A WONDERFUL PLACE TO VISIT. SO I CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH AND IF ANYBODY AS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, OH, I REMEMBERED EVERYTHING. . GO AHEAD. I'M GONNA SAY REAL QUICK, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER COMMUNITY THAT CHOC THAT PUTS SO MANY EVENTS SUCCESSFULLY WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND THAT THIS TEAM DOES HERE IN YORK COUNTY TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANY NUMBER OF, OF OUR CITIZENS AND GUESTS TO, TO ENJOY. AND I'D BE CURIOUS IF THERE'S A WAY TO TRACK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY AMONG US WHO CAN ATTEND ALL IN A GIVEN SEASON AND THEN MAYBE A META ACHIEVEMENT OF ATTENDING ALL IN A GIVEN YEAR AND GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION AND FOR ATTENDING ALL OUR, ALL, ALL OF OUR EVENTS. I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE 'CAUSE I THINK WE GOT TOO MUCH, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO STEP UP, STEP UP TO THE CHALLENGE. I TAKE, I TAKE EXCEPTION OF THAT. KEVIN'S AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. , THERE YOU GO. YEAH. . THAT'S RIGHT. YES, IT'S DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? [01:10:01] YEAH, GREAT JOB. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ARE CHA BLOCK FULL OF ENTERTAINMENT AND THINGS TO DO, SO KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT IS A, UH, TEAM EFFORT AND UH, IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE WHOLE TEAM, SO I THANK YOU FOR IT'S YOU, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS PLACE SO SPECIAL AND IT'S GOING TO BE A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL TIME. AND WE'VE JUST GOT A HALLOWEEN COMING UP AND CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON AFTER THAT? SO THANK YOU ALL, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS AND THANK YOU. AND SPEAKING OF THE TEAM, I WANNA SAY ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO SCRAMBLE AT THE LAST MINUTE BASICALLY AND HAVE SOMETHING OF A YORKTOWN DAY CELEBRATION IN PLACE, EVEN WITH THE, UH, GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN MAKING VERY LITTLE BIT POSSIBLE WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. SO THANKS FOR SCRAMBLING. THANK YOU, SIR. STEVE, STEVEN BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH . [CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD] NORMALLY AT THIS TIME WE WOULD, WE WOULD START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CITIZENS ARE SITTING OUT HERE AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE ONES WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK. I, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS PAM PAU. PAM, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, COME FORWARD. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. THREE MINUTES, . I'LL BE, GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS PAM POCHE. I RESIDE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT, 2 3 6 9 2. TRUMP IS A CONVICTED FELON, FRAUDSTER SEXUAL ASSAULT OR EXTORTION IS PATHOLOGICAL, LYING, MISOGYNISTIC, SOCIOPATH AND A MALIGNANT NARCISSIST. HE PROMISED TO BE A DICTATOR ON DAY ONE AND SAID, I AM YOUR RETRIBUTION. HE IS DESTROYING OUR DEMOCRACY, RULE OF LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION, HIS SADISTIC REVENGE TOUR IS SPAWNING HEART STOPPING FEAR TO ANYONE WHO REFUSES TO BOW DOWN AND FEEL HE IS DESTROYING ANYTHING THAT BENEFITS A BLUE STATE OR DEMOCRATIC CREATED PROGRAM AS A WHITE SUPREMACIST, HE'S ORDERED THE DESTRUCTION OF WAREHOUSES FULL OF FOOD AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN AFRICA, RATHER THAN BENEFIT PEOPLE IN WHAT HE CALLS S******E COUNTRIES, ONLY WHITE IMMIGRANTS FROM SOUTH AFRICA CAN ENTER THE US AT HIS DIRECTION. RED STATES ARE GERRYMANDERING DISTRICTS TO SUPPRESS THE BLACK VOTE. A HOMELAND SECURITY AD SAYS, DEFEND YOUR CULTURE. NO UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE REQUIRED $50,000 SIGNING BONUS. THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A WHITE SUPREMACIST UNDEREDUCATED THUG ARMY. ALLIGATOR AUSCHWITZ HAS DISAPPEARED. 1000 MIGRANTS. OUR CITIES ARE BEING INVADED BY THE MILITARY, AND ICE IS ZIP TYING FOUR YEAR OLDS AND PLACING THEM IN U-HAUL SEGREGATED BY RACE. I ATTENDED THE PEACEFUL NO KINGS DAY IN WILLIAMSBURG WHERE 6,000 VOTERS PARTICIPATED. NEWPORT NEWS HAD OVER A THOUSAND, MANY WERE YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS. NOT ONE OF US WAS A MASS OR ANTIFA TERRORIST, AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, A VIOLENT CRIMINAL, OR WERE PAID TO BE THERE. RE SOCIAL. TRUMP POSTED AN AI GENERATED VIDEO OF HIMSELF WEARING A CROWN AND A FIGHTER JET AND RELEASING FECES ONTO NO KING STATE. PROTESTORS POSTED ON OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE EX ACCOUNT WERE PAINTINGS OF TRUMP AND VANCE WEARING CROWNS SITTING ON THRONES AND BENEATH BELOW THEM, HAKEEM JEFFRIES AND CHUCK SCHUMER IN SOMBREROS. WHERE IS YOUR IN INDIGNATION? WHY DON'T YOU JUDGE SOMEONE'S CHARACTER? SEE IF THEY WOULD RATHER SPEND $200 MILLION ON A BALLROOM OR ON PEDIATRIC CANCER TRIALS, CANCER RESEARCH AND MNRA VACCINE DEVELOPMENT WERE CUT BY $500 MILLION. TRUMP GAVE 40 BILLION TO ARGENTINA TO PROP UP THEIR FAILING ECONOMY, RESULTING IN THEIR CANCELLATION OF TARIFFS ON SOYBEANS TO CHINA, CAUSING US FARMERS TO LOSE 100% OF SALES TO CHINA. CANCELING U-S-A-I-D AND SNAP BENEFITS ALSO HARMS OUR FARMERS DISABLED CHILDREN ARE BEING DENIED ASSISTANCE. 38,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS HAVE BEEN LOST SINCE JANUARY. WHEN INSURRECTIONISTS YELL HANG MIKE PENCE, TRUMP SAID, MAYBE MIKE DESERVED IT, TRUMP SAID EMPATHY IS TOXIC AND DANGEROUS AS HELL. TRUMP IS SUPPRESSING FREEDOM OF SPEECH INVOLVING UNIVERSITIES, MUSEUMS, PUBLIC EDUCATION, MEDIA AND LAW FIRMS. TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY ARE TAKING FOREIGN BRIBES. TRUMP IS ENSURING THE EPSTEIN FILES ARE NOT RELEASED. ROB WHITMAN ENDORSES THESE ACTIONS BY HIS SILENCE. THIS BOARD IS ALSO COMPLIANT. IT'S NOT ONE OF YOU HAS SPOKEN OUT ON HOW ALL OF THIS AND MORE IS AFFECTING THE VERY SURVIVAL OF OUR NATION AND COMMUNITY. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE EVERY ONE OF US IS AFFECTED BY THIS CHAOS. THANK YOU. NEXT PERSON I HAVE TO SPEAK IS ANDREW GELDER. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. HI, MY NAME IS ANDREW GIBBLER. I'M AT 4 0 6 GAINES WAY HERE IN YORKTOWN. I AM DEFINITELY NOT AS PREPARED AS THE LAST SPEAKER. IN FACT, I DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING AT ALL, BUT I COUNTED TO COME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF SURVEYS THAT HAVE GONE OUT RECENTLY REGARDING THE PARKS, UH, AND REC DEPARTMENT AND A LOT OF THE OPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THERE. I AM THE HAMPTON BMX, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S BEEN IN HAMPTON SINCE 1979. UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF GOOD WORK. WE [01:15:01] BRING A LOT OF JOY TO A LOT OF KIDS AND TO A LOT OF RIDERS AND PARENTS AND FAMILIES AROUND IN THOSE SURVEYS THAT YOU HAD, YOU HAD OPTIONS FOR SKATE PARTS AND PUMP TRACKS. NOW I HEARD YOUR COMMENT EARLIER, SIR, I HOPE THAT I CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND HERE IN A SECOND. UH, BUT WHEN MY SON DECIDED HE WANTED TO START RACING BMX, NOT BEING IN THE NOT BEING A PART OF THAT CULTURE BEFORE, I WAS KIND OF NERVOUS ABOUT THE STEREOTYPES THAT WE WERE POTENTIALLY GETTING INTO, RIGHT? THE ONES PERPETUATED BY MEDIA, THE BM XERS, THE SKATE PARK RIDERS, NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL OPPOSITE. WHAT I FOUND WAS PARENTS AND FAMILIES WHO CAME TOGETHER THAT GAVE THE SHIRTS OFF THEIR BACKS, THAT SPENT TIME VOLUNTEERING AND DONATING EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY COULD TO A GOOD COST TO GIVE THEIR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES A PLACE TO RIDE FOR THE KIDS WHO DON'T HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES IN A STANDARD STICK AND BALL SPORT. THAT'S WHAT I SEE WITH OPTIONS SUCH AS A SKATE PARK AND A PUMP TRACK. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A PUMP TRACK, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH A PUMP TRACK. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE THING. THERE'S FIVE PUMP TRACKS THAT I'M AWARE OF RIGHT NOW BEING BUILT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ALL ACROSS. AND IF YOU BUILD ONE RIGHT AND YOU BUILD ONE PROPER AND YOU HAVE IT DONE BY THE RIGHT PEOPLE, YORKTOWN CAN BE ON THE NATIONAL AS WELL AS THE WORLD STAGE. THEY ARE UCI WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT TRAVEL ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY SUPPORTING THESE COMPETITIONS AND IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER AND IT'S INCREDIBLE TO WATCH. I TRAVEL PERSONALLY WITH MY FAMILY EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND, BUT I DON'T TRAVEL HERE BECAUSE THE PENINSULA HAS NOTHING TO OFFER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN ACTION SPORTS AND STUFF THAT WE ENJOY. I GO TO RICHMOND, I SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS. I GO TO VIRGINIA BEACH, I SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS, BUT I DON'T DO THAT HERE. AND I CAME TO YORKTOWN BECAUSE OF YOUR SCHOOLS AND HOW LOVELY THE COMMUNITY IS AND BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE HERE WITH MY FAMILY, BUT I DON'T SPEND MY MONEY HERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO OFFER FOR PEOPLE, THE FAMILIES AND THE KIDS, UH, LIKE US. SO THOSE SKATE PARKS, THOSE PUMP TRACKS, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, EVEN A SMALL ONE. IF YOU COULD EVER CONSIDER IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO YORK COUNTY, I THINK YOU WOULD SEE BENEFITS THAT YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN. AND I CAN'T PRESENT TO YOU HERE WITH A PRESENTATION OR A BUNCH OF INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE JOHN WIGGINS NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THREE MINUTES. I'M JOHN WIGGINS, UH, 1 0 3 PARK LANE, SEAFORD, VIRGINIA. UM, I, I WANNA ECHO EVERYTHING THAT ANDREW SAID. UM, WE ACTUALLY MET AT THE ALL WHEELS PARK IN SANDSTON, VIRGINIA AND, UH, AND, AND GOT TOGETHER WITH SIMILAR INTERESTS. UM, UH, I'M ALSO HERE WITH MY, MY CHILDREN. MY DAUGHTER'S IN THE BATH, OR NOPE, SHE'S HERE. , SORRY, CALEB. YOU MET CALEB AT THE, UM, YORKTOWN DAY FEIS AND DRUM. SO I, HE, HE'S NOT A HOODLUM SKATEBOARDER, HE'S A, A VOLUNTEER IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, SO BEING A FAMILY IN, IN, IN THIS COUNTY, WE APPRECIATE THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOLS AND, AND THE NICE THINGS, BUT WE'VE REALIZED THERE'S MUCH TO BE DESIRED FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION. THE MAC AND OTHER PARKS ARE, ARE GREAT FOR BASEBALL, SOCCER NOW PICKLEBALL, BUT OTHERWISE RESIDENTS HAVE TO TRAVEL TO NEW NEWPORT NEWS AND, AND OTHER COUNTIES AND ALL OVER FOR DIFFERENT PARKS AND REC OPTIONS. ONE MISSING PARK FEATURE HERE IS A SAFE AND DESIGNATED PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO RIDE SKATEBOARDS, SCOOTERS, B AND BMX BIKES. I CAME TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD, UH, ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO TO POSSIBLY MAKE A CHANGE ABOUT THAT. THE PR HEARD ME OUT, BUT THEY NEEDED TO KNOW IF IT WAS JUST A LIMITED INTEREST. SO THE PR CONDUCTED A SURVEY, UM, IN 2022 TO FIND THE COUNTYWIDE INTEREST IN A, IN A SKATE PARK. THE PR THEN SUMMARIZED THE RESULTS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE RESULTS EVER MADE IT TO THE SUPERVISOR LEVEL. UH, WAYNE, I GAVE YOU A COPY. UM, BUT I'M HERE NOW WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE 2,100 SURVEY TAKERS, WHICH I HEAR IS A HUGE TURNOUT FOR ANY PARK SURVEY. 90% SUPPORTED OR STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF A PUBLIC SKATE PARK BEING BUILT IN THE COUNTY. SOME RESIDENTS HAD CONCERNS THAT COULD EASILY BE MITIGATED WITH THE RIGHT APPROACH. MANY WERE ALSO INTERESTED IN SKATE CLINICS AND PROGRAMS LIKE AVAILABLE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. UN UNLIKE THE GROWING PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY THAT WAS ALLOWED TO PLAY ON TENNIS COURTS BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR PICKLEBALL COURTS. UH, THE, THE SKATEBOARD RIDERS HAVE NO AUTHORIZED PARK SPACE TO USE. UM, SO THAT LEADS TO TRESPASSING AND RESORTING TO THE STREETS, PARKING LOTS OR BUSY SIDEWALKS, AND THAT'S DANGEROUS AND THAT COULD BE A LIABILITY FOR THE COUNTY. THERE'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILIES IN OUR COUNTY AS THESE SPORTS ARE POSITIVE FAMILY ACTIVITIES. THEY'RE IN THE OLYMPICS NOW, THEY GET KIDS OUTSIDE AND OFFICE SCREENS [01:20:01] WHEN THE COUNTY DECIDES TO MAKE ITS NEXT SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS KIND OF PARK. AND, UH, THESE KIND OF PARKS HAVE BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES JUST LIKE OURS. AND THERE'S GRANTS, THEY'RE AVAILABLE, THERE'S FUNDRAISING TO PAY FOR IT. AND, UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S THE P COMPREHENSIVE PARKS PLAN, UM, GOING ON NOW, AND I, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS TYPE OF PARK WILL ALIGN WITH, WITH THOSE RESULTS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THE LAST ONE I HAVE SIGNED UP IS MARK WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE ME. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. I THINK I DID IT IN 15 SECONDS LAST TIME TO MARK WILLIAMS, FIVE 13 CHARLES ROAD. ALTHOUGH I MAY BE AT OTHER RESIDENCE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, SO FIND ME WHERE YOU CAN FIND ME. THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST EXCITING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING I HAVE ATTENDED ALL YEAR. MORE EXCITING THAN THE BUDGET MEETINGS. AND WE OWE THAT TO ALL OF YOU BECAUSE YOU'D TAKE YOUR TIME TO LISTEN THE PRESENTATION FROM THESE GENTLEMEN OVER HERE. SHEPHERD, DID YOU EVER THINK YOU'D LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE BRINGING TO US? SHEILA NOLL, I KNOW YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS IN A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, BUT WOW, THAT'S EXCITING STUFF. IN ADDITION TO ALL THE ANTENNAS AND THE RF, JUST THINK OF THE SIDE BENEFITS. IF YOU GROW A GARDEN, YOUR TOMATOES WILL TASTE BETTER. UM, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE, JUST AS THESE PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT MORE THINGS TO DO, IT'S FROM US OLDER GENERATION. I'M NOT FAR BEHIND YOU SHEPHERD JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A PONYTAIL AND YOU DON'T. UM, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE OPTIONS AS TO WHAT'S GOOD AS A WHOLE. LIKE THE, THE CHILDREN WERE SAYING. HOW DO WE UNITE THIS COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTAND OUR DIFFERENCES AND RESPECT OUR DIFFERENCES SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE CIVIL TO EACH OTHER? THIS ELECTION SEASON HAS REALLY TAKEN A TOLL ON THIS COUNTRY. UM, AND JUST AS THE, UH, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS ARE, WELL, WE CAN'T SAY REDSKINS ANYMORE, SO COMMANDERS THE B PC AND THE DALLAS COWBOYS GO AT IT HEAD TO HEAD. IT'S JUST A COMPETITION. AND AT THE END OF IT, YOU SHAKE HANDS AND SAY, GOOD GAME. SO I HOPE EVERYBODY THAT'S WATCHING, 'CAUSE HALF THE PEOPLE LEFT HERE TODAY, THAT WE CONSIDER HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE. IT'S NOT WHAT WE DO OR SAY, IT'S HOW WE MAKE THEM FEEL. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE ALL YOUR COUNTIANS OR VIRGINIANS OR AMERICANS. UM, CIVILITY HAS A LOT TO BE OFFERED AND, UH, A LOT TO BE DESIRED. UM, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEARN YOUR HISTORY, I DO HAVE TO CORRECT MYSELF. THE ONE AIRPORT YOU DID MISS WAS THE PATRICK HENRY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. NOT MUCH FLIES OUT OF THERE RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN MILITARY AIRCRAFT. HOWEVER, IT IS AN IMPORTANT AIRPORT AND IT GOES BACK MUCH FURTHER THAN AN AIRPORT. UM, I WAS A YOUTH ONCE, JUST LIKE THESE KIDS OVER HERE AND YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE HAD FUNNY HAIRDOS AND SKATEBOARDED ON PUBLIC STREETS, UM, WENT TO TIME. WE CHOSE TO GO DOWN THE HILL OVER HERE BY, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HORNSBY HOUSE, AND YOU HIT THE CONCRETE AT THE END OF THE CURB AND YOU CAN DIVE OUT INTO THE WATER. BUT WE USED TO HAVE DEPUTIES THAT WOULD TURN A BLIND EYE TO STUFF LIKE THAT. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, LAWFUL. NOW. SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA LET THE YOUTH BE YOUTH TO HAVE THEIR FREEDOM AS THEY BURN UP THE ENERGY LIKE THE DOG THAT LIKES TO CHASE THE BALL. YOU HAVE LESS DELINQUENCY IN THE FUTURE. UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING, IF I CAN TAKE AN EXTRA SECOND. BACK IN THE, UM, BUDGET HEARING CYCLES IN MARCH OR APRIL, APPARENTLY THERE WERE HOT MICS OUT HERE AND TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO I WILL NOT MENTION BY NAME, BUT THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, IT WAS, UH, DISCLOSED THAT I AM BATMAN AND THE AUSTRALIAN ENQUIRER AND THE BBC AND THE TAS AND CHELON AND OUT OF CHINA, THEY'VE ALL PICKED IT UP ON THE NEWS CYCLE. APPARENTLY SOMEBODY TOOK A PHOTO OF ME WITH A DEPUTY UP AT HERITAGE SQUARE AND POSTED THAT ANONYMOUSLY ON YORKTOWN 4 1 1. SO IN THE FUTURE I'LL HAVE TO BECOME SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THE BATMAN. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. WE'VE GOT 70 DAYS TO DO IT LEFT IN THIS YEAR. ENJOY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD CARE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND [01:25:01] IN DEREFERENCE TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, I'M GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL, SORRY THAT WE'RE LATE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY, [6. Application UP-1057-25 Riverside Heating and Air Conditioning. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-148 to authorize a special use permit to establish a contractorsโ€™ shop with outdoor/exposed storage at 8529 George Washington Memorial Highway] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE MEETING IS BACK IN ORDER AND WE'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I'M SORRY FOR THOSE WHO HAD TO WAIT A LITTLE LONGER. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE IS APPLICATION, UH, RIVERSIDE HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING, A PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 1 48 TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A CONTRACTOR'S SHOP WITH OUTDOOR EXPOSED STORAGE AT 8 5 2 9 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. EVENING? YES. EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAD AND CLEAR. ALRIGHT, NAME'S MADISON. I'M ONE OF THE PLANNERS IN THE DEPARTMENT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THIS EVENING, UH, THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY RIVERSIDE HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR SLASH EXPOSED STORAGE AT 8 5 2 9 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 17 AND IS ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS AND IS DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SITE IS BORDERED TO THE WEST AND NORTH BY EDGEHILL, WHICH IS ZONED R 20 OR MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PROPERTY ARE TWO PARCELS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ACROSS COCHIN ROAD. THE EASTERN MOST DWELLING IS ILLEGALLY NONCONFORMING RESIDENTIAL USE ON A PARCEL ZONE, GB AND EAST ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS YORKTOWN PUBLIC LIBRARY AND SERVICE MASTER RESTORE, UH, WHICH IS A RESTORATION BUSINESS. AND TO THE SOUTH IS CLIFF'S TIRE AND AUTO CENTER. UH, THIS IS AN AUTO REPAIR GARAGE BUSINESS. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REAUTHORIZATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2022, UH, FOR AN HVAC CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A 13,200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE SPACE TO SUPPORT DAILY OPERATIONS ALONG WITH SIX THOU 6,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, GRAVEL LAY DOWN AREA ENCLOSED BY A PRIVACY FENCE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THIS IS A PHOTO RENDERING OF, UH, THE PROPOSAL. OKAY. A SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL SEP APPROVAL AND WAS APPROVED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON APRIL 1ST, 2024 WITH BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED THIS PAST JULY. LAND DISTURBANCE ACTIVITY HAS ALREADY BEGUN FOR THE CONTRACTOR SHOP, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT. UM, THIS SEP REQUEST APPLIES ONLY TO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD. THE LAND USE CHARACTERISTICS AND CONSIDERATIONS REVIEWED DURING THE ORIGINAL SEP PROCESS REMAIN UNCHANGED. AND AS A RESULT, MANY OF THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS ARE CARRIED FORWARD INTO THIS NEW REQUEST. ACCORDING TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, THE STORAGE YARD WILL BE LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND ACCESSED THROUGH A 20 FOOT WIDE GATE ON THE BUILDING'S LEFT SIDE FACING COCKLE TOWN ROAD. UM, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL OPAQUE FENCE SCREENED WITH EVERGREEN PLANTINGS IS ALSO PROPOSED. VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED BY TWO DRIVEWAYS CONNECTING THE PARKING AREA TO ALCO TOWN ROAD. THE APPROVED SITE PLAN SHOWS BOTH DRIVEWAYS MEASURING 35 FEET AND 33 FEET WIDE, MEET VDOT ENTRANCE STANDARDS AND ARE DESIGNED FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC TO PREVENT TRUCK TRAFFIC FROM ENTERING NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SIGNAGE AT EACH ENTRANCE, UM, WILL RESTRICT LEFT TURNS FOR TRUCKS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS. A MINIMUM OF 12 PARKING SPACES, UM, IS REQUIRED FOR THE COMBINED USES. UH, THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN PROVIDES 38, UH, SPACES IN TOTAL, INCLUDING TWO 80 A COMPLIANCE SPACES. THEREFORE, THEY EXCEED THIS REQUIREMENT. ACCORDING TO THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL PUBLISHED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 82.5 VEHICLE TRIPS PER WEEKDAY AND USING VDO T'S 2023 TRAFFIC DATA STAFF DOES NOT EXPECT ANY NOTICEABLE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. UH, SINCE MOST VEHICLES TRAVELING TO THE SITE WOULD USE THE SECTION OF COCKLE TOWN ROAD BETWEEN ROUTE 17 AND THE BUSINESS ENTRANCES. AS FOR VISUAL IMPACTS, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE UH, REQUIRES THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS FOR CONTRACTOR SHOPS BE DESIGNED AND LOCATED SO AS TO MINIMIZE VISUAL IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS. ACCORDING [01:30:01] TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, THE STORAGE YARD WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING ENCLOSED BY OPAQUE FENCING AT LEAST EIGHT FEET TALL AND FURTHER SCREENED BY EVERGREEN TREES WITH FULL TO THE GROUND BRANCHING PLANTED OUTSIDE THE FENCE. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO CONFIRMED THAT NO STORED MATERIALS WILL EXTEND ABOVE THE FENCE LINE, UH, AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REINFORCE THIS REQUIREMENT. A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS REQUIRED ALONG THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES WHERE THE SITE ADJOINS THE R 20 DISTRICT, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR HOMES ACROSS CARLETON ROAD. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A CONDITIONING REQUIRING THAT THE BUFFER PLANTINGS ALSO EXTEND ALONG THE PROPERTY'S FULL EXTENT OF THE CARLETON ROAD FRONTAGE. THE 35 FOOT BUFFER IS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN AND SATISFIES THIS APPROVAL CONDITION. AND LASTLY, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LIES WITHIN THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE PROJECT IS ALSO SUBJECT TO STANDARDS FOR BUILDING DESIGN MATERIALS AND COLORS AND THE UPDATED RENDERINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IMPROVE UPON THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL 2022 SUBMITTAL AND COMPLY WITH ALL OF ROUTE 17 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS. SEE, HERE'S ACTUALLY A PICTURE OF ONE OF THOSE NEWLY UPDATED RENDERINGS. UH, THIS IS SHOWING THE PERSPECTIVE IF YOU'RE ON COLTON ROAD MM-HMM . AND IT'S THE SECOND ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTIALS. AND THIS IS A RENDERING SHOWING A BIRD'S EYE VIEW FROM ROUTE 17. IF YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FROM ROUTE 17, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. MM-HMM . SO IN CONCLUSION, THIS APPLICATION SEEKS REAUTHORIZATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL. STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE IMPACTS TO EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THE REQUIRED BUFFERING CONSISTING OF A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, OPAQUE FENCING, EVERGREEN PLANTINGS. THIS WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO DUE TO THESE CON CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 48, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SIX TO ZERO FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. UH, I HAVE ANY, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER. THANK YOU. MADISON. MADISON, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. MM-HMM . WE'RE HERE. TWO HERE. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD WADE. SO I WASN'T SURE IF I, I WAS CLEAR THE FENCING IS GONNA BE ON COCKLE TOWN ROADSIDE, THE FENCED IN STONE AREA, RIGHT? YES. PART OF IT. YES. SO TO THE, UM, TO THE VERY LEFT BEHIND THE PLANTINGS, UM, THAT IS WHERE THE OUTSIDE STORAGE YARD IS GOING TO BE THE WELL, I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT'S ON THIS SIDE. YEAH. TO, YEAH, TO THE RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S COCKLE TOWN. SO THE FENCING AND THE SHRUBS, THE TREES ARE GONNA BE ALONG THIS FRONTAGE AND COCKLE TOWN OR JUST THE 17 FRONTAGE? UM, IS, SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? THE, THE SHRUB FENCING TO KIND OF BLOCK EVERYTHING, THE SIX FOOT FENCING, IS THAT GONNA BE A LONG COCKLE TOWN AS WELL AS ROUTE 17 SIDE? UM, OR JUST ON ROUTE 17 SIDE? NO, FENCING IS GOING TO BE, UM, ON THE ROUTE 17 LINE. LET ME GET YOU A BETTER, OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING THE PICTURE. WELL BIRD SIDE VIEW OF IT, HERE WE GO. UM, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS STRAIGHT ON COCKLE TOWN ROAD IS, UM, TO THE RIGHT AND THE OUTSIDE STORAGE, UM, IS UM, OR SORRY, TO THE LEFT AND THEN THE OUTSIDE STORAGE IS TO THE RIGHT, UM, UP THERE. SO THE SECOND, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT ROAD ON THAT SIDE? THAT'S ROUTE 17. ROUTE 17. OH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FACING ROUTE 17 GOING THIS WAY? NO, GOING THAT WAY. WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS AT, THAT'S COCKLE TOWN ROAD. SO THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES ON, UH, COLTON ROAD AND THEN A ROUTE 17 IS FURTHER OUT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SHOWING TREES ON THE BACKSIDE AND ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE FENCING, SO I GUESS IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. YEAH, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. UH, DOUG, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, I DID. UM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPLICATION BACK IN 2022 HAD SEVERAL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS IN THE, UH, IN THE, UM, IN THE SIGNED RESOLUTION. AND A NUMBER OF THOSE HAVE BEEN DROPPED, PARTICULARLY THE ONE AROUND LARGE TRUCKS NOT BEING ABLE TO ENTER ON EDGE HILL. AND I, I QUESTIONED MR. BELLAMY YESTERDAY WHY WE HAD DROPPED THAT, UM, REQUIREMENT SINCE IT WAS, UH, SO PRONOUNCED. AND UH, THE SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE THAT NIGHT, UH, WERE QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. COULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT, PLEASE? YEAH, OF COURSE. THANK [01:35:01] YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. UM, SO IN THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, UH, THERE IS SIGNAGE FOR NOT ALLOWING TRUCKS, UM, TO TAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SO, UM, AND EARL CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. UM, WE THOUGHT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND WE'VE REFERENCED THE SITE PLAN, UM, IN THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE UPDATED ONE, IT COVERS THAT CONCERN. HOWEVER, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD, UM, THE ORIGINAL WORDING I BELIEVE IS CONDITION NUMBER SIX IN THE ORIGINAL ONE. UM, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE IF AS LONG AS YOU FEEL IT'S COVERED. UH, IT WAS A KEY POINT FROM 22 AND IT WAS MISSING FOR ME WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS BRIEFING. THANK YOU. YEAH, OF COURSE. DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WANNA ADD IT OR ADD IT BACK? NO, YOU, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL SATISFIED THAT IF IT'S PART OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND IT'S NOW INCORPORATED GOOD. UM, THEN WE'VE ADDRESSED IT, BUT IT WAS MISSING. THERE WAS NO NOTICE OF IT AND I, AND I FELT IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH POINT FROM THE PREVIOUS. UH, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH RESOLUTION. I WILL, I WILL ADD TO THAT. I DID HAVE A QUESTIONS. YES. A COUPLE PEOPLE CONTACT ME ABOUT THOSE BIG TRUCKS COMING THROUGH EDGE HILL. THEY'RE MAKING A LOOP THROUGH THERE WITH THE DUMP TRUCKS AND THE LARGER TRACTOR TRAILERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT STOPPED. IS THAT CURRENTLY HAPPENING? THIS WAS, UH, MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS AGO THAT THEY, MAYBE A MONTH AGO I GUESS. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY STILL HAPPENING. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE MIGHT OUGHT TO CHECK ON THAT. ALRIGHT, HERE. THANK YOU. STEVEN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING I'LL, I'LL JUST ASK REAL QUICK, MR. ROWE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COVERED HERE TONIGHT UP TO THIS POINT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GET YOU GUYS OPEN AND GET INTO BUSINESS, SO, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM BOARD MEMBERS, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY YOU'D CARE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? IF NOT, UH, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WOULD SOMEONE CARE TO, I'LL MOVE IT. OKAY. MR. FOR THE NUMBER MR. SHEPHERD HAS, HAS MOVED, UH, R 20 R 25 1 48. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE. YES. THE ONE WRITTEN ON THE, ON THE AGENDA. 25 1 48. THE MOTION. 1 48. ONE'S BEEN MOVED. IT'S MOVED. ANY COMMENTS? I DID MOVE IT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE 25 DASH 1 48 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. MR. HORO? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. R? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. AND MRS. NOLL? YES. MOTION CARRIED. FIVE ZERO. THANK YOU. [7. Application No. UP-1058-25, Yorktown Guns and Ammo, LLC. Consider adoption of Proposed Resolution R25-149 to approve a special use permit authorizing firearms sales and service at 108 Hyde Lane, 2330 & 2334 George Washington Memorial Highway] OKAY, THE NEXT ONE THAT I HAVE ON THE LIST IS, UH, JEANNIE. YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS ONE. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR PROPOSED RESOLUTION. R NO, 25 DASH 1 49 REGARDING, UH, A SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION FOR YORK FROM YORKTOWN GUNS AND AMMUNITION. OKAY, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY YORKTOWN GUNS AND AMMO IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE AT 1 0 8 HYDE LANE, 2330 AND 2334. GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY THREE PARCELS ARE SUBJECT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES HAVE A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES. ALL THREE PARCELS ARE ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS. IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE NORTH IS HYDE LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE DRIVE TO THE EAST AND SOUTH IS ENGLISH MOTORS JUNKYARD, UH, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY BOUNDS. THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST WITH LEONARD TRUCK OUTFITTERS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION. WALMART AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND WALGREENS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER. EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON TWO OF THESE, UH, PARCELS INCLUDES A MILITARY SURPLUS RETAIL STORE AND A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT AT 2330 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, AS WELL AS A CARETAKER'S UNIT AND THE REMAINDER OF THE PARKING LOT AT 1 0 8 HYDE LANE. THE THIRD PARCEL 2334, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, UH, IS UNDEVELOPED. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO SELL AND SERVICE FIREARMS FROM AN EXISTING 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE, WHICH HE ALREADY OWNS AND OPERATES UNDER THE NAME OF LITTLE GI JOE'S MILITARY SURPLUS. NO CHANGES TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR STRUCTURE ARE PROPOSED ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 0 6, CATEGORY 10. NUMBER 20, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE IN THE GENERAL BUS, UH, GENERAL BUSINESS OR GB ZONING [01:40:01] DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT CURRENT CURRENTLY ENGAGES IN THE SALE SERVICE TRANSFER AND ASSEMBLY OF FIREARMS AND THE SALE OF AMMUNITION FROM SAID LOCATION. THE APPLICANT OBTAINED A BUSINESS LICENSE FROM THE COUNTY'S COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE IN MAY OF 2024 FOR RETAIL SALES OF APPAREL, HUNTING, CAMPING, AND AMMO DURING THE SAME MONTH. THE BUSINESS ALSO OBTAINED A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE, AN FFL FROM THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES, OR A TF. THERE IS NO STATEWIDE LICENSING REQUIREMENT FOR SALES AND SERVICE OF FIREARMS IN VIRGINIA. DURING AN ANNUAL INSPECTION CONDUCTED BY THE A TF IN JUNE OF 2025, AN INVESTIGATOR FROM THE BUREAU CONTACTED THE PLANNING DIVISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER ZONING APPROVAL HAD BEEN OBTAINED FOR FIREARM SALES. IT WAS AT THIS POINT THAT STAFF LEARNED THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ENGAGING THE SALE IN SERVICE OF FIREARMS WITHOUT ZONING APPROVAL. APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BRING THE APPLICANT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN A NEW, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE THAT INCLUDES THE SALE AND SERVICE OF FIREARMS. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE BUSINESS SECURES ITS STOCK OF FIREARMS IN LOCKED GUN CASES USING STEEL CABLES WITH PADLOCKS AND IN TWO LARGE SAFES. THE NARRATIVE ALSO INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS SECURED BY AN A DT SECURITY SYSTEM AND 12 RING CAMERAS POSITIONED BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. THE APPLICANT STATES IN HIS NARRATIVE THAT HE PERSONALLY MONITORS THE CAMERAS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. DURING THE SITE VISIT, STAFF NOTED BARS ON THE WINDOWS AND DOORS. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REVIEWED THIS UH, APPLICATION AND INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE. THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OR FLS ALSO REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT BE COMPELLED TO PROVIDE A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR APPROVAL. PER THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO INITIAL AND ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE CONDUCTED BY FLS STAFF. IF ANY VIOLATIONS ARE DISCOVERED DURING THE INSPECTIONS, UH, THE BUSINESS SHALL CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE TIME IDENTIFIED BY THE INSPECTOR. LETTERS WERE SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, INFORMATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION WAS POSTED TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND EMAIL TO THOSE WHO SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS AND A NOTICE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. ONE EMAIL WAS RECEIVED FROM A CITIZEN WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING THE SECURITY OF THE FIREARMS AFTER HOURS. SHE STATED THAT GUNS SHOULD NOT BE STORED IN GLASS CASES WHICH CAN BE SMASHED AND INSTEAD SHOULD BE STORED IN, UH, GUN SAFES WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED. NO ADDITIONAL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AS OF TODAY. THE PROPOSED FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY BUSINESSES OR PROPERTIES. AND THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE CAPTURES THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS HE HAS IN PLACE TO SECURE AND MONITOR. THE ONSITE FIREARMS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BRING THE APPLICANT INTO CON UH, INTO COMPLIANCE. THEREFORE, BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS IN CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 49. THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION DURING ITS SEPTEMBER 10TH MEETING AND VOTED FIVE TO ONE TO APPROVE IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL. THANK YOU, G. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST FOR THE APPLICANT, WELL, THE APPLICANT CARE. NO, I'M DONE. SORRY, GO AHEAD. WAIT A MINUTE. MS. CARNER, I'M NOT USED TO CALLING YOU THAT. , UM, UH, I'M READING THE ANALYSIS SECTION OF THE PACKAGE SENT TO US. IT SAID, UM, COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, UH, ISSUED THE BUSINESS LICENSE FROM IN MAY OF 24 FOR RETAIL SALES OF APPAREL, HUNTING, CAMPING RIGHT. AND AMMO. BUT FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE WERE SPECIFICALLY NOTED AS NOT BEING INCLUDED. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THAT SAME, VERY SAME MONTH, HE THEN APPLIED TO THE A TF FOR EXACTLY THAT REQUIREMENT? THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS A LIE. THIS IS NO RIGHT LIE. I, I JUST, I, I GET VERY UPSET WHEN I FIND PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVIATE AROUND OUR BUSINESS CONTROLS, AROUND OUR, OUR PLANNING CONTROLS MM-HMM . AND, AND ONLY GETTING CAUGHT BECAUSE A TF DID A PROPER JOB OF INSPECTING A YEAR LATER THAT THAT JUST, THAT GETS UP IN MY CRAW THAT THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESS I WANNA BE SUPPORTING IN THIS TOWN. UM, THAT BRINGS ME TO THE SECOND QUESTION. THERE. IS A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT FOR OPENING UP A, A GUN SHOP IN YORK COUNTY? IS THAT NOT REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE OPENING OR PRIOR TO HAVING THE AMMUNITION IN PLACE? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE. IT'S ONE THAT WE, WE GOT AS A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL BY SENDING THIS APPLICATION TO FLS FOR REVIEW. THEY REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN THERE JUST TO BE SAFE. AND IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT [01:45:01] AFTER FINDING THIS, UM, VIOLATION IN JUNE OF 2025, THE APPLICANT IS STILL SELLING FIREARMS IN HIS V IN HIS STORE. I BELIEVE SO. MM-HMM . THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. UH, THANK YOU. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. YES. OKAY. HOW YOU DOING MR. MR. SHEPHERD? UH, YEAH. I WANTED TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU APPROACHED THIS WITH SELLING GUNS IN, WELL, WE HAD SPOKE ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE AND THERE WAS NO, NOT NO MENTION OF NEEDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO SELL FIRE. I DID NOT TALK TO THE DID YOU NOT I WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS DEVELOPED. OKAY. THAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU NOT GET PROVIDED THAT WOULD'VE TOLD YOU TO GET A, GET A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE USE OF WEAPON TO SELL WEAPONS? WHAT WAS I NOT PROVIDED? YEAH, THAT WAS, WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT YOU COULD DO THAT? WHY WOULD I THINK I COULDN'T? RIGHT. WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW I WOULD NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR RETAIL SALES. OKAY. SO YOU JUST INCLUDED THE, THE IDEA OF THAT YOU COULD SELL WEAPONS AS JUST A NORMAL YEAH. THAT'S WHY THE NAME ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE, IT SAYS YORKTOWN GUNS. ENA IT WASN'T MISLEADING. IT WASN'T A LIE. IT DIDN'T SAY IT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SAY THAT. NO, I'M REFERRING TO MR. WELL, I'M, I'M ASKING I'LL, I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS NOW. HE'LL, HE CAN TALK, HE CAN TALK TO HIM IN A MINUTE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, UH, UH, UM, I KNOW THE SITUATION YOU'RE IN THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE, AS THE COUNTY COULD HAVE DONE IF, UH, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WE, WE, A LOT OF TIMES WE FIND THESE, THESE KIND OF THINGS. MM-HMM . ONLY BY ACCIDENT OR SOMEBODY COMPLAINTS. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT OUR WHOLE SYSTEM'S SET UP. I WAS FOUND BY ACCIDENT. IT WASN'T, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THEY WEREN'T THERE TO DO AN INSPECTION. UNDERSTAND THEY WERE DOING A, UM, YEARLY AUDIT AND I GUESS THEY NOTIFY THE COUNTY WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT. I HAVE NO IDEA. I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE. AND I'M GUESS THE COUNTY, SOMETHING WAS BROUGHT THAT SAID WE NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WELL, THAT'S A TF APPROACHING THE COUNTY ASKING THE QUESTION. YEAH. AND AS I THINK AS FAR AS THE, ALSO, AS FAR AS THE FIRE MARSHAL OR A FIRE INSPECTOR WAS THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, YEAH, I JUST, I, I, UM, THE SPECIAL NO DOMAIN SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE PROBLEM LIKE THIS, WHEN YOU COME BEFORE THE BOARD AFTER THE FACT, IT'S NEVER A GOOD LOOK. OKAY. YEAH. I, I AGREE. BUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALSO I COULD'VE DONE IT RIGHT THEN. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THEN. IF I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT I NEEDED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD'VE DONE IT RIGHT THEN. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S DONE THIS. OKAY. YEAH. AND YEAH, I'VE BEEN THERE 43 YEARS ON THAT CORNER. YEAH, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. SO, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE 43 YEARS. THAT'S A LONG TIME. I KNOW. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS OR, I MEAN, NEVER SAID BEFORE. I WOULD NOT EXPECT YOU TO. WELL, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW HAS A GUN SHOP IN NEW NEWPORT NEWS, AND THEY DIDN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THERE EITHER. SO IT LED ME TO BELIEVE, ESSENTIALLY, ESSENTIALLY. IS THAT YOU, YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT, YOU WERE NOT AWARE THAT YES, I WAS NOT AWARE. NO. I'VE BEEN SELLING AND I, I DIDN'T GET A LICENSE TO SELL AMMO. I'VE BEEN SELLING AMMO. I DON'T, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL LICENSE TO SELL AMMO. OKAY. UM, I'VE BEEN SELLING GUN PARTS IN AMMO FOR SINCE 2019. UH, SO GUN PARTS. YEAH, THERE'S FALL UNDER THE GUN THING. NO, IT DOESN'T. IT'S IT'S ACCESSORIES. IT'S NOT PARTS. THEY'RE ACCESSORIES, DRESS UP STUFF, THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW THAT'S THE SERIALIZED RECEIVER. YEAH. SERIALIZED. WHICH IS WHAT FELL UNDER THE FFL. OKAY. UM, EVEN WHEN I DID THE FFL, THEY DIDN'T MENTION THAT I NEED. OKAY. SO THEY DIDN'T BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION. I WOULD NEED ANYTHING EITHER. OKAY. SO KIND OF GOING TO WHAT MS. ROY, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY, PROBABLY GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT, BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, SO KNOWING THAT YOU NEEDED TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO SELL IT, TO SELL GUNS, LET'S SAY AFTER, AFTER YOU'VE BEEN TOLD MM-HMM. OKAY. YES, I ACTUALLY WHY, WHY DID YOU CONTINUE TO SELL, SELL? WELL, 'CAUSE IT DID, IT DIDN'T SAY THAT. IT SAID IF YOU WANT CONTINUE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO FILE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. IT DID NOT SAY YOU NEED TO TERMINATE YOUR BUSINESS. I HAVE TWO BUSINESSES IN ONE LOCATION. I HAVE THE LETTER FROM ZONING. OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LETTER ITSELF DID NOT NO. DID TO SAY, DID YOU HAVE CEASE AND DESIST? IT SAID CEASE AND DESIST IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA REQUEST A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. SO FOR THE STAFF, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ALSO AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE QUESTION AND I MEAN, IT CLEARLY STATES YORKTOWN GUNS AND AM I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. BUSINESS LICENSE AND NOTHING WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. ALL RIGHT. I GOT A QUESTION AT THE TIME. ALRIGHT. GOT IT. WE GOT IT. OKAY. UH, I NEED TO, TO GO BACK ON THE SLIDE. I WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT PICTURE OF THE STORE AND THE, THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE. WE GOTTA TAKE, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT REAL QUICK. YES. WHAT CAN I PULL UP FOR YOU? YEAH, I WANT YOU TO FIND THIS, FIND THE SLIDE YOU SHOWED WITH A PICTURE. YES. ONE YOU WANNA SEE A PICTURE OF THE BUILDINGS? ONE OF THE STREET, THE STREET SIGN SPECIFICALLY. [01:50:01] OKAY. STOP RIGHT THERE. OKAY. SO SEE THIS GUN IN, UH, WAS IT AMMO AND GUNS? TRANSFER. TRANSFER, YEAH. THAT SIGN, IS THAT A CONFORMING SIGN TO OUR BUSINESS? NO, THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. OKAY. WELL, I JUST WANT TO, I, YEAH, WE DO, WE WORK REAL HARD DOWN HERE TO TRY TO START CLEANING THIS PLACE UP. THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. THERE'S A TEMPORARY PERMIT RIGHT NOW FOR THE BANNERS. THERE'S A TEMPORARY PERMIT FOR THE BANNERS CURRENTLY. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THOSE EXPIRE? UH, IT WAS THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. OKAY. SO YOU GOT, DO YOU HAVE KIND OF A PEDESTAL SIGN SOMEWHERE THERE? WELL, ACTUALLY THE MAIN SIGN IS BEING, BEING REDONE, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT UNTIL I GOT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. OF COURSE, IT'S FADED ON ONE SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, BUT THIS SIDE, APPARENTLY THE SUN HITS IT ALL DAY. SO, BUT YES, THE SIGNS ARE BEING REDONE. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, BUT THERE WAS NO OPTION TO MISLEAD ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING. UM, DO YOU JUST DO TRANSFERS YOU OR YOU'RE SELLING NO, WE SELL YOU SELLING FARM? NO. WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE HUNTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO. I GET A LOT OF PEOPLE, I WAS JUST READING THE SIGNS. I COULDN'T TELL IF YOU WERE JUST DOING TRANSFERS. NO, NO. IT WAS LETTING PEOPLE KNOW. SO WHAT I WAS GETTING OUTTA THE CONVERSATION IS I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT IN THE COUNTY PROCESSES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT, UM, COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, COUNTY STAFFS PLANNING AND SO FORTH. COMMISSIONER REVENUES, TREASURER AND COM, THE TREASURER DEPARTMENT. UM, IN HEARING AN APPLICANT COME IN AND SAY, I NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR YOUR CODE, GUNS AND AMMO, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD TRIGGER SOMEBODY TO GO, OH, GUNS AND AMMO, UH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR HAND OFF TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. I THINK WE GOT A PROCEDURAL ISSUE WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE LITTLE LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE CAN TIGHTEN IT UP. AND WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE, I THINK LAST PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE LADY SPECIFIC THAT DID THE, UM, IT'S LIKE A READING SHE WAS DOING. IT DIDN'T REALIZE SHE NEEDED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR IT BECAUSE NO ONE EVER TOLD HER. SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR, I THINK. YEAH, IT WAS NO MATCH OF IT. I MEAN, THE GUNS, SOME THINGS THERE, SOME UP. I'M, I'M GLAD YOU THAT ONCE YOU LEARNED, YOU SUBMITTED THESE PERMIT AND YEAH. YEAH. SOON AS IT WAS DONE. WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF HERE TONIGHT AND YEP. SOON AS DONE. WAY WE GO. BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE GOTTA TIGHTEN SOME THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT. OF COURSE, WE'RE REDOING THE WHOLE SIGN AND ALL RIGHT, NOW TO MAKE IT, WELL, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MOVING DOWN THE STREET AND REBUILD THE NEW, NEW LOCATION, BUT OF COURSE PUBLIX WAS SHOT DOWN ON MY PROPERTY. I'M SURE Y'ALL AWARE OF THAT. THE WHAT? THE PUBLIX GROCERY STORE AND OH, YEAH. DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BEING DONE. A LOT OF MONEY WAS. AND ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN MY BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE GUNS. RIGHT. UM, BUT YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY WERE GONNA DEVELOP ALL THAT, BUT I GUESS IT CAN'T BE DONE NOW UNLESS IT'S ALL RETAIL. ALL RIGHT. THA THANK THANKS. APPRECIATE IT. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU TOO. AND CAN I ADDRESS MR. DOUGLAS? I, I'M JUST KIND OF ECHOING WHAT STEVEN SAID. IF WE'RE, IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT, ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT DISCONNECT? SO RIGHT HERE, WE LOOKED BACK AT THE BUSINESS LICENSE THAT WE ISSUED TO HIM WHEN HE APPLIED. AND AT THE BOTTOM IN BIG BOLD LETTERS, IT SAID FIREARM SALES ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE FOR IT. RIGHT. IT, IT DID SAY THAT. OKAY. IT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT IT SPECIFICALLY LISTED THE THINGS THAT YES, JEANNIE COMMENTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS THAT HE WAS ALLOWED TO DO AMMO AND, AND RETAIL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT FIREARM SALES WERE NOT ALLOWED WITH S RIGHT. WITHOUT SU BS SPECIFICALLY LISTED ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE THAT HE RECEIVED. SO IT SAYS THAT ON THERE. IT DOES, YES. AND WE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU ANOTHER COPY IF, IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH, I THINK I MISSED IT. I DON'T, IT DID SAY THAT AND IT WAS IN VERY BIG LETTERS AND IT WAS ACTUALLY IN PURPLE, SO IT WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COLOR THAN WAS EVEN ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK AND WHITE FORM. SO I MISSED IT THOUGH. IT WAS A DISCONNECT. USUALLY WHEN A TF ISSUES, THEY CALL US TO ASK, AND IN THIS SITUATION, THEY ISSUED WITHOUT CHECKING WITH US TOO. SO THERE WAS A COUPLE MISSES THERE, BUT OUR FORM SPECIFICALLY SAID, NO FIREARM SALES, THIS LAB WITHOUT SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT THERE. MAYBE THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT FURTHER, BUT, UH, THERE, I MEAN, IT'S SPECIFICALLY ON THE BUSINESS LICENSE IS NOT ALLOWED. WELL, AND, AND GOOD. I'M, I'M GLAD THAT'S CAPTURED THAT DOCUMENTATION'S THERE. MM-HMM . AND MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LEARNED HERE, WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE ISSUE LAST WEEK WITH THE LADY WITH THE PSYCHIC READING ESTABLISHMENT. MAYBE THAT'S A, A GENTLE, HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU ALSO GONNA NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO KIND OF HELP PEOPLE, MAN, TRYING TO STAND A BUSINESS. YES. KEEP A BUSINESS RUNNING. HE'S FOCUSED ON THAT AND MAYBE NOT THE MINUTIA THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON. RIGHT. TO GET THINGS RUNNING. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I DON'T THINK ANY HARM OR ANY FILE HAS HAPPENED HERE. HE HAS A BUSINESS LICENSE TO PAYING, UM, TAXES ON AND SO FORTH. WE JUST NEED TO CHECK OFF THIS BOX HERE AND, AND DO THE PUBLIC HEARING PROPERLY LIKE WE NEED TO. WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THAT NIGHT. SO AGAIN, LET'S JUST AS BEST WE CAN HELP OUT, WE'LL HELP OUT. WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PLACING THAT INFORMATION ON THERE IN A OKAY. BOLD FORMAT JUST POINTED OUT. I DIDN'T NOTICE IT. UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT IT IN THE FRAME ON THE WALL, I DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. THANK, SO MY, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS SURE. HAVE WE ADDRESSED THIS WITH A TF? YES. OH, WE, I MEAN I'M TALKING ABOUT [01:55:01] FROM THE COUNTY. THIS WAS A TRULY ODD SITUATION BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS, A TF HAS ALWAYS CALLED US TO ASK THIS QUESTION. IF, IF THE PERSON WHO WAS GETTING AN FFL HAD A PERMIT, I MEAN, YOU'VE SEEN 'EM COME BEFORE YOU ALL, THEY, NO ONE HAS EVER REALLY COME BEFORE YOU THAT HAS ONE ALREADY IN PLACE. THIS WAS REALLY AN ODD SITUATION AND WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE. BUT WHEN THEY RE-AUDIT THIS YEAR IS WHEN IT WAS NOTICED BY THEM THAT THERE WAS NO ZONING SIGN OFF. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT AGENT OR WHO IT WAS, BUT YES, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH A TF ANYTIME THIS HAPPENS. AND SO, UM, IT WAS ONLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL A TF LICENSE SAID SALES AND MANUFACTURING. WELL, THEIR IDEA OF MANUFACTURING IS PUTTING A TIRE ON A WHEEL. SO IF YOU PUT TWO PIECES TOGETHER, THEY CALL THAT MANUFACTURER. SO THEY CALLED THE COUNTY TO SEE IF WE WERE ZONED FOR MANUFACTURING. OF COURSE I DON'T DO MANUFACTURING, BUT BECAUSE THE LICENSE SAID THAT THEY, THEY APPARENTLY THEY HAD TO CONTACT THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ZONED FOR MANUFACTURING. AND I'M SAYING, DID YOU TALK TO THE A TF TO SAY, HEY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? WE, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT WE DIDN'T GET A, AN ANSWER. I MEAN, THEY JUST, IT THEY MISSED IT LAST YEAR WHEN THEY AUTHORIZED IT. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD US. BECAUSE THEY NEEDED A COPY OF THE LICENSE YEAH. BEFORE THEY ISSUED THE A, THE FFL. BUT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE VERY TIGHT RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE A TF AGENTS IN THIS REGION. AND THEY, LIKE I SAID, THEY USUALLY CALL US BEFORE THEY ISSUE ONE. OKAY. WELL, YEAH. YEAH. WELL, HAD THEY CAUGHT IT THEN WE WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE. PROBABLY THAT IS CORRECT. HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. YES SIR. YES, SIR. DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. EARL, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I HAD ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. ON THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. MM-HMM . WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR HAVING IT, UH, SUBMITTED AND APPROVED? SO IF YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT, HE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WHAT? HE CAN'T START THE, I MEAN, HE REALLY SHOULDN'T START THE OP, YOU KNOW, KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT THOSE THINGS IN PLACE, WITHOUT THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN PLACE. MM-HMM . SO DO I LOCK UP THE GUNS IN THE MEANTIME? YOU COULD REQUIRE THAT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY GET HIS INTEREST IN GETTING IT SUBMITTED. WHAT SUBMITTED THE, UH, HAZARDOUS MANAGEMENT PLAN? I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS WAS FOUND IN JUNE. HE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN SEPTEMBER. WE'RE STILL SITTING HERE AND NO, AND NO MANAGEMENT PLAN. I MEAN, YOU COULD ALWAYS ADD A DATE TO THE RESOLUTION IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY WE, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, HE HAS TO HAVE IT TO US BY THE END OF THE MONTH OR TOMORROW. WHATEVER YOU WANT. WHATEVER YOU WANNA PUT IN THERE. I WOULD ADD THE RESOLUTION THAT HE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SELL GUNS UNTIL HE HAS IT SUBMITTED. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU ADD TO THE RESOLUTION. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I WAS TOLD NO, I WAS TOLD BY THE FIRE MARSHAL OR WHO DID THE INSPECTION. I DIDN'T NEED ONE 'CAUSE I WASN'T SELLING BLACK POWDER. YOU'RE YOU'RE ON THIN ICE. OKAY. SO I DON'T THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AS I SAID BEFORE. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? MADAM CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PROPOSE THAT WE ADD A CHANGE TO THE RESOLUTION. UM, SO IT WOULD BE, UM, RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 49 WITH A CONDITION THAT GUN SALES MUST BE SUSPENDED UNTIL THE HAZARDOUS MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL? CAN WE DO THAT? HOW DO YOU FEEL ON THAT? DO YOU AGREE? DOES IT CARRY ANY FORCE IN LAW? IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD TO PUT A REASONABLE CONDITION ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF YOU DEEM IT APPROPRIATE. OH, I, I AM ASKING THE BOARD MEMBERS. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ADDING THAT TO THE EXACTLY. WE ADD, REPEAT THAT WE WOULD SUSPEND THE CURRENT SALE OF GUNS AND AMMO UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE HAZARDOUS MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. IS IS A HAZARDOUS MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIRED FOR FIREARM SALES OR FOR IT'S REQUIRED FOR, IT'S REQUIRED FOR, WE JUST MAKE SURE FOR OR FIREARMS? IT'S FIREARMS, YEAH. HAZARD FOR FIREARMS MANAGEMENT FOR FIREARMS. THEY'RE, THEY DON'T MADE OF STEEL AND WOOD. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL IS. HEY, CHIEF, CAN WE GET THE CHIEF UP? UH, MADAM CHAIR PLEASE. I BELIEVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, THE SUP WAS FOR A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS STANDARD LANGUAGE FOR THE SUBS THAT WE SEE COULD COME ACROSS BASED ON THE TYPE OF OCCUPANCY AND THE TYPE OF BUSINESS FIREARMS IN THEMSELVES DOES NOT REQUIRE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE STORAGE OF CERTAIN MATERIALS THAT GO WITH IT. IF THEY WERE SELLING BLACK POWDER, THOSE TYPE OF ITEMS, AMMUNITION IN ITSELF DOES NOT REQUIRE HAZARDOUS [02:00:01] MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN. UM, BATTALION CHIEF GMO AND, UH, CAPTAIN EDWARDS HAD REVIEWED THIS PREVIOUSLY WITH, WITH, UM, ZONING AND PLANNING. AND I VISITED THE SITE RECENTLY AND THERE WERE SEVERAL CORRECTIONS WERE REQUIRED. AND I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN COMPLETED TALKING TO BATTALION CHIEF EARLIER THIS EVENING. BUT FOR A SET FOR FIREARMS ONLY HAZARD, THIS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED IF THEY RESTORING BLACK POWDER AND OTHER AGENTS INVOLVED WITH THE MANUFACTURING OF, OR LOADING OF ROUNDS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. AND THEY DON'T DO THAT BASED ON WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS REPORTED. ALRIGHT. SO IS A, IS THAT PLAN REQUIRED FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IT IS. WELL, WHAT, BUT WHAT DOES IT COVER THEN, BASED ON WHAT THE CHIEF JUST SAID? I'M CONFUSED. BASICALLY, THEY WENT OUT TO DO A REVIEW. THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S IN THE SUBS. THEY WENT OUT, OUR FOLKS WENT OUT AND DID THE REVIEW. AND BASED ON THE BUSINESS THAT'S BEING CONDUCTED AT THE SITE, IT WASN'T, IS NOT REQUIRED IF THEY WERE CHANGING IT, THE HAZARDOUS IS NOT REQUIRED. IT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING SELLING FIREARMS RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WOULD CHANGE THAT TO SELL SUPPLIES OR START RELOADING, AND AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT A TF REGULATION. AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND THE STORAGE OF HAZARD EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS REQUIRE HAZARD MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN. OKAY. SO NO HAZARDOUS. OKAY. SO JUST THE GUNS, THEY'RE NOT HAZARDOUS MANAGEMENT. THERE'S NO HAZARDOUS MATERIAL. THE AMMO ITSELF IS NOT CONSIDERED A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL. OKAY. I WITHDRAW THE, I WITHDRAW THE, UH, WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. THAT WAS GOOD. THANKS. WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE SEEKING A MOTION. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MOVE. R TWENTY FIVE ONE FORTY NINE. UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. R IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RELU R 25 1 49 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROME? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? NO. MRS. NOLL. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE, BUT I CLEARLY YOU HAVE TO READ THE LICENSES WHEN YOU GET THEM AND YOU HAVE TO OBEY BY THEM. SO I'M VOTING NO. MOTION CARRIED. THREE, TWO. OKAY. [8. Application SE-031-25, Dr. Joel Cheek. Consider adoption of Proposed Resolution R25- 150 to authorize a special exception to allow land disturbance within the required 35-foot greenbelt buffer along the frontage of 121 Hampton Highway] LET'S SEE. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION FROM DR. JOEL CHEEK. UH, JEANIE, YOU HAVE THIS ONE TOO. YEP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY DR. JOEL CHEEK IS A REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE LAND DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE 35 FOOT GREEN BELT BUFFER ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF 1 21 HAMPTON HIGHWAY. FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW DRIVE AISLE TO THE REAR OF THE SITE TO RENOVATE THE PARKING AREA, ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE GREEN BELT REQUIRE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY SIX TENTHS OF AN ACRE. IT'S ZONED LB FOR LIMITED BUSINESS AND DESIGNATED LIMITED BUSINESS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TO THE IMMEDIATE, NORTH IS A DENTIST'S OFFICE. TO THE SOUTH IS A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY. HOME TO THE EAST IS AN UNDEVELOPED FLAG LOT. AND TO THE WEST, ACROSS HAMPTON HIGHWAY IS A POOL SUPPLY STORE. THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT ANY MODIFICATION OF A GREEN BELT BUFFER MUST PRESERVE THE, I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME. SKIPPED ONE. . THE APPLICANT PLANS TO INSTALL A NEW DRIVE AISLE, UM, TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE 14 NEW PARKING SPACES WILL BE, UH, PLACED BEHIND THE BUILDING. THE ZONING ORDINANCE DESIGNATES HAMPTON HIGHWAY AS A GREEN BELT ROAD, ALONG WHICH A LANDSCAPED BUFFER AT LEAST 35 FEET IN WIDTH IS REQUIRED. THE GREEN BELT BUFFER MUST BE LEFT IN AN UNDISTURBED NATURAL STATE UNLESS THE BOARD AUTHORIZES CLEARING OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN IT DUE TO THE PARCEL SHAPE AND THE BUILDING'S LOCATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO PLACE THE NEW DRY VILE IN THE GREEN BELT BUFFER. AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT ANY MODIFICATION OF A GREEN BELT BUFFER MUST PRESERVE THE FEELING AND SENSE OF NATURAL CHARACTER AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. FURTHERMORE, IT STATES IN THE EVENT THE BOARD APPROVES DISTURBANCE OF A GREEN BELT BUFFER, IT MAY REQUIRE THE AREA TO BE RE-LANDSCAPED. THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1995 PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE GREEN BELT BUFFER REQUIREMENT ALONG HAMPTON HIGHWAY. SO THE GREEN BELT AREA ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER VEGETATED. A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING THAT MEETS THE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 24.1 DASH 2 45. IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, [02:05:01] IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR BUSINESS OWNERS TO EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT REDUCE THEIR BUSINESS' VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD. IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING NOT TO IMPROVE ITS VISIBILITY, BUT RATHER TO EXPAND THE PARKING LOT. AND DUE TO THE LIMITED SIZE OF THE PARCEL REQUIRES THE DRY VILE TO THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA TO BE LOCATED IN THE GREEN BELT WHILE THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE IS SIZABLE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT SINCE THE SITE WAS INITIALLY DEVELOPED PRIOR TO THE GREEN BELT BUFFER REQUIREMENT ALONG HAMPTON HIGHWAY, THIS PROPERTY, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OF ITS NEIGHBORS, WAS INITIALLY DEVOID OF THE BUFFER. AND THUS THE ENCROACHMENT IS NOT EXPECTED TO CREATE A MAJOR VISUAL IMPACT. THE PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REPLANT THE GREENBELT BUFFER WOULD PROVE A BETTERMENT TO THE CURRENT LANDSCAPING. THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH ONE 50. I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UM, THAT WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE DENTIST OFFICE NEXT DOOR, UH, TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SAYING THAT THEY OPPOSE THE REMOVAL OF ANY TREES. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL. ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TALK? NO. ARE THEY GONNA REMOVE TREES? IS THERE TREES THERE TO BE REMOVED? NO. N NO. OKAY. SO THAT WAS, OKAY, SO NO TREES ARE BEING REMOVED. NOW, THIS HOUSE, THIS WAS A HOUSE AT ONE TIME, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A HOUSE AND IT'S BEEN CONVERTED TO A BUSINESS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THIS IS IT'S ZONE, ZONE GB, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND, UH, UP AND DOWN THIS, UP AND DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY. THIS IS HAMPTON HIGHWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. OKAY. I'M GONNA MAKE SURE I'M RIGHT. NOT ON 17. ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, THEY, WE HAD SEVERAL BUSINESSES INCLUDING, UM, THIS COUNTY IS PUT IN A, UM, A LIBRARY AND A FEW OTHER BUSINESSES ALONG THE WAY. AND IN THE PROCESS WE'VE, WE'VE MODIFIED THE GREEN BELT, SOME CASES WE'VE ELIMINATED TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THE BIG THING HERE IS THAT HE JUST NEEDS THE, THE ROAD TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND TO THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY TO BUILD MORE MM-HMM . DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? YES. SO THAT, THAT LITTLE GREEN AREA IS, ALL HE'S DOING IS DISTURB THE, AND I ASSUMED AT ONE TIME WHEN THERE WAS A HOUSE, THERE WAS NOTHING BUT LAWN ANYWAY, THIS GREEN AREA INDICATES THE GREEN BELT BUFFER. I KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST, I'M, I'M SAYING NOT THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE. WHAT I'M SAYING, THERE'S A TIME WHEN COMMON SENSE HAS GOTTA DICTATE HERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE GOTTA GO THROUGH BECAUSE WE CREATED THIS BUFFER TO KIND OF, TO HAVE A BUFFER TO KIND OF, TO GIVE US A VIEW, UM, OF WOODS OR SOME SENSE OF GREENERY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE JUST, WE HAVE TO MESS WITH THE GREEN BELT BUFFER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I JUST, YOU CLARIFIED EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. YOU ARE WELCOME. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES. YES. UM, SO, UM, THAT PICTURE THERE, GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE RIGHT THERE. ARE THEY CRATE MYRTLES THERE ON THE RIGHT? YEAH. THIS, THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO BY ME. OKAY. UH, THIS AERIAL THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS, UH, WAS TAKEN IN 2021. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE CRATE, MYLES MYRTLES ARE IN THAT DRIVE PATH. ARE THEY NOT IN, IN THE DRIVE PATH? IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN THE DRIVE PATH. TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY BE. WELL, IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, DID YOU JUST SAID THERE WAS NO TREES BEING REMOVED AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WAS UPSET ABOUT THAT OR DIDN'T WANT US TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE OF THAT? SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S ONE OF THEIR ISSUES, WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TREES IN THAT WHERE I'M SEEING IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN REMOVED SINCE THEN, SINCE HE, I ASKED HIM ABOUT, THERE'S SOME, UM, SHRUBS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PARKING AREA. I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT AND HE SAID THAT THEY WERE REMOVED BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. SO THIS AERIAL WAS TAKEN WELL BEFORE MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YEP. MS. CARTER, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY DOWN THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. INADEQUATE SPACE. IT APPEARS THAT HERE, UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BUILDING LOOKS VERY NARROW, I WOULD IMAGINE TOO NARROW TO ALLOW A CAR TO PASS THROUGH. YEAH. YOUR PHOTO OF THE, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE APPEARED TO HAVE A SUFFICIENT SPACE THERE. I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THAT PHOTO, BUT THEY CAN'T BUILD A DRIVEWAY ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SO MM-HMM . THAT'S WHY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THE APPLICANT CARE TO STEP FORWARD? AYE, DR. JOEL CHEEK, UH, YOU HAD A [02:10:01] QUESTION? WHAT QUESTIONS FOR ME? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 14 SLOT, UM, PARKING LOT, ESSENTIALLY? YEAH. SO WHEN WE, UM, WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, THE PREVIOUS CHIROPRACTOR THAT WORKED THERE, UM, LIVED ON ONE SIDE AND WORKED OUT OF HALF OF IT. SO HE HAD, HE ALREADY HAD IT DIVIDED WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, WE WANTED TO RENOVATE THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND MAKE THE ENTIRE THING IN OFFICE. UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT FOR EVERY EXAM ROOM WE HAVE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES PLUS SOME FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH MEANS WE NEED A MINIMUM OF 16 PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND EXAM ROOMS IN THE BUILDING. OKAY. THAT, THAT ANSWERS WHY YOU'RE EXPANDING PARKING. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEAH. MY QUESTION WAS, THE TREES, ARE THERE TREES GONNA BE REMOVED? UM, SO IN THE PICTURE, THE CRATE MYRTLE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO, OH, THAT WENT TOO FAR. I WAS GONNA SHOW YOU HERE, UH, THE, THERE, SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE, UM, PARCEL 1 21, THAT'S THE DENTIST OFFICE. HE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS ASKING ABOUT TREES BEING REMOVED BECAUSE THERE ARE TREES RIGHT ALONG HIS PROPERTY LINE THAT ARE NOT BEING MOVED. UH, FROM THE BACK CORNER OF OUR BUILDING TO HIS PROPERTY LINE IS ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF TO 10 FEET, DEPENDING ON AT ITS CLOSEST. AND, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE 20 FEET FROM THE FRONT WHERE THE YELLOW DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE TO THE, UM, MR. LEON WHO LIVES NEXT TO US. THAT'S WHERE THE CRATE MYRTLES RUN ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE. THE, UH, THE CRATE MYRTLES WILL ACTUALLY BE, WE MIGHT HAVE, UM, BASED ON THAT PROPERTY LINE, THERE IS ONE CRATE MYRTLE NEXT TO MR. LEON THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED POSSIBLY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD JUST GO BETWEEN THEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED TO DO. AND THEN THE CRATE MYRTLE IN FRONT, UH, IS ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF THE, UH, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE DISTURBANCE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONE TREE MIGHT BE REMOVED. UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRATE MYRTLES RUNNING ALONG THE SIDE MM-HMM . THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU CAN SEE IS IN FRONT OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DISTURB. AND THE OTHER ONE IS ACTUALLY FURTHER BACK. SO THE, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THEM. UM, BASED ON THE WAY WE DREW IT OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, I BELIEVE THE DENTIST WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE TREES THAT ARE BETWEEN US AND HIM ON THAT FAR SIDE, WHICH YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MESSING, MESSING WITH THAT, WHICH WE'RE NOT TOUCHING WITH THAT AT ALL. SO IT WAS THE ONE ON THIS SIDE THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT REMOVING TREES? YEAH. NOT THE ONE ON THAT SIDE. CORRECT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. ARE THEY, ARE THEY REQUIRED, REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES OR DO YOU NEED THAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES? A LITTLE OF? OH YES, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. UH, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT, WE NEED TO RETHINK OUR PARKING SPACES THAT WE REQUIRE BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME THAT YOU WOULD NEVER FILL ALL THOSE PARKING SPACES AT ONCE. WELL, IT'S A MESS. CURRENTLY IN THE, WE HAVE SEVEN PA PARKING SPACES IMMEDIATELY. AND ONE OF THE OTHER DENTIST'S CONCERN, THE DENTIST'S OTHER CONCERN IS THAT WHEN WE GET BUSY, OUR PATIENTS WILL PARK IN HIS LOT AND WALK OVER. UM, BECAUSE WE ARE LIKE, I CAN'T HIRE A MASSAGE THERAPIST RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T HIRE LIKE TO WORK IN MY OFFICE. I CAN'T, THERE'S A LOT. I HAVE HIRING CONSTRAINTS. SO WHEN I HAVE, UM, I CURRENTLY HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES WITH ME AND WE HAVE TO PARK ON THE, LIKE, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FOR PARKING. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN SPOTS, AND RIGHT NOW I'M, YEAH. SO WHAT, SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS YES, YOU DO NEED THAT NUMBER OF PARKING ESSENTIALLY. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT EMPLOYEES AND NOW HE'S LOOKING TO HIRE MORE. YEAH. SO HE'LL PROBABLY WRAP UP SIX OR SEVEN PARKING SPOTS JUST WITH EMPLOYEES. RIGHT. WE WERE CONCERNED THAT, UH, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION. SO THAT NUMBER IS REQUIRED FOR HIS EXPANSION. THAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. YEAH. THOSE WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IF HE DOESN'T EXPAND HIS BUSINESS. RIGHT. AND YOUR HIRING CONSTRAINTS IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T OPEN THOSE OFFICES UP 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE OFFICES. AND ALSO JUST BUSINESS CONSTRAINTS. I AM, UH, LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF PATIENTS I'M ABLE TO SEE RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF OUR OFFICE. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. IF NOBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR HIM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'D CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEE NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL MOVE. I THINK IT BELIEVE IT'S R 25 1 50. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, I'LL MOVE IT. YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. YES. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION 25 1 50 TO AUTHORIZE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR LAND DISTURBANCE AT 1 21 HAMPTON HIGHWAY. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. AND MRS. NOLL? YES. MOTION CARRIED. FIVE TO [02:15:01] ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE'LL [9. Request for Tax Exemption from Child Development Resources. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance 25-26 granting an exemption from real and personal property taxation pursuant to Code of Virginia ยง 58.1-3651 to Child Development Resources, Inc. (CDR) for property located at 312 Waller Mill Road in York County] GO TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS THE, HUH? IT'S THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING REQUEST FOR TAX EXEMPTION FOR CDR CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES. AND OUR ATTORNEY'S GONNA HANDLE THIS, I BELIEVE MR. HILL. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, BRIEFLY, THE, THE ISSUE HERE IS COVERED IN THE, IN THE MEMO THAT WAS IN THE BOARD MATERIAL. THIS IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THREE 12 WALLER MILL ROAD, OR THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN OWNED BY VARIOUS NONPROFITS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UH, MOST RECENTLY, UH, ROBINSON COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP INC. AND THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY TO CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES INC. AND MUCH LIKE ROBINSON, UH, CDR IS NOW HERE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REQUESTING THAT THIS BOARD GRANT A TAX EXEMPTION FOR THE PROPERTY AND ALSO THAT THE BOARD AGREED TO ABATE THE TAXES. UM, CURRENTLY THE AMOUNT THAT'S LISTED IN THE MEMO IS THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PAID FROM JANUARY 1ST. THE SECOND HALF TAXES THAT I UNDERSTAND HAVE NOT BEEN PAID BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DUE YET. OKAY. UM, AND SO, UH, INCLUDED IN THE MATERIAL, AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST MY OFFICE, WE HAVE INCLUDED A COPY OF THE STATE ORDINANCE, WHICH SETS FORTH THE CRITERIA THAT THE BOARD NEEDS TO CONSIDER WHEN DETERMINING WHETHER TO GRANT THE EXEMPTION. UH, JUST TWO THINGS I'LL HIGHLIGHT. ONE, THE IS NOT A MANDATORY EXEMPTION. IT IS AT THE OPTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE LIST OF, UM, CRITERIA AND THINGS TO CONSIDER IS FAIRLY BROAD AND ALSO INCLUDES, UH, ANY OTHER CRITERIA, FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE GOVERNING BODY DEEMS PERTINENT TO THE CONSIDERATION. SO IT'S WITHIN THE DISCRETION AND PLEASURE OF THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER TO GRANT THE EXEMPTION. AND I BELIEVE MR. SCOTT IS HERE TO, OH, I DIDN'T SEE HIM MAKE HIS CASE ON BEHALF OF, UM, CDR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAUL. GOOD EVENING, MADAM, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES. WE ARE ABOUT 11 WEEKS NOW AWAY FROM HOPEFULLY OPENING, UH, AND MOVING INTO THAT BUILDING. I THINK MR. ROY'S BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT UNDER CONSTRUCTION. UM, I WAS JUST THERE TODAY AND PROGRESS IS, IS MOVING ON AT A PRETTY RAPID RATE. SO, UM, WE JUST, ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO TAKE, UH, BUT WE'RE, WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? YES TO, OKAY. SO IN THIS 58.1, THE CODE FIRST PARAGRAPH IT SAYS, AND I QUOTE, IT'S ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN DOWN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH A IT SAYS, WHOSE SOLE MEMBER IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION? YOUR NONPROFIT, RIGHT? YES. MM-HMM . YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT THE U THAT USES SUCH PROPERTY FOR RELIGIOUS, CHARITABLE, PATRIOTIC, HISTORICAL, BENEVOLENT CULTURE OR PUBLIC PARK AND PLAYGROUND PURPOSES, RIGHT? YES, SIR. SO IS THE PROPERTY YOU GOT THERE BEING USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE? BASICALLY JUST OFFICES, MEETING SPACES, UH, CHILDCARE, PLAYGROUNDS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE OFFER A LOT OF SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR APPLICANTS. SO WE'LL HAVE NURSING VISITATIONS THERE AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S ALL IN LINE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIOR USE OF THE PROPERTY, WHEN IT WAS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COALITION. SO THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THAT PARAGRAPH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY YES, PAUL, YOU, YOU, UH, CERTAINLY KNOW MY HISTORY AND MY, UH, MY CONCERNS WITH, ARE WE BEING, ARE WE TREATING EACH FAIRLY? UM, FISH WAS MOVED OUT OF THE CDR BUILDING, UH, WHEN IT WAS STILL, UH, THE ROBINSON BUILDING. THEY'RE OF COURSE PAYING PROPERTY TAX ON THE CURRENT PLACE, THEIR LEASING PLUS THE PROPERTY THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THEY MOVE INTO THAT BUILDING. SO WHY WOULD I WANT TO GIVE YOU A TAX RELIEF WHEN YOU HAVEN'T MOVED INTO THE BUILDING YET? BECAUSE IF I READ THE STATUTE, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE, BE OPERATING IN, BASICALLY HAVE TO BE OPERATING IN THE BUILDING AS A NONPROFIT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD BE GIVING A REBATE UNTIL YOUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ACHIEVED. SO IT'S A FAIR QUESTION. SO I WOULD JUST, I WOULD DEFER TO THE, THE ATTORNEY'S COMMENT THAT IT, IT IS THAT THE DISCRETION AND PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, WHETHER THEY DO THAT. IT'S A QUESTION OF FAIRNESS FOR ME. THANK YOU. . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE ONE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. SO THE REQUEST IS TO GRANT CDR TAX EXEMPT [02:20:01] STATUS OF THAT PROPERTY WHILE THEY'RE USING IT, NOT TAX EXEMPT STATUS OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ACTUALLY GO, IT'S ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY. SO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE PROPERTY GETS THE REAL ESTATE TAXES. IT, IT, THE EXEMPTION IS FOR THE PROPERTY, FOR THE REAL ESTATE TAXES. AND THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL TAXES THAT, THAT FLOW WITH THAT, SUCH AS USE TAXES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. RIGHT. FOR A WHILE, CDR IS USING IT FOR, AS A NONPROFIT, IF A, IF IN THE FUTURE CDR MOVES OFF AND A FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION COMES ON THERE, DO WE THEN HAVE TO GRANT IT TAXABLE STATUS OR DOES IT NO, NO. IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY, ONCE THE OWNERSHIP CHANGES, THE PROPERTY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY REVERT BACK TO ITS TAX STATUS IS TAXABLE. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GRANT, IF YOU CHOSE TO DO SO, THAT REQUEST AGAIN ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. ALL RIGHT. AND IF CDR USES THE, OR ALLOWS THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY BE USED FOR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION FOR REASONS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DON'T KNOW, WOULD THAT CHANGE THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS OF THE USAGE THEN YOU MIGHT IN, IN WHICH CASE WE NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT? YES. SO THAT WAS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GETTING AT. YEAH. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO FIND IF IT WAS BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS COMING IN HERE, IF ANY OF 'EM WERE FOR PROFIT, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM. CORRECT. IT, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION, IF CDR WERE TO EVER DISSOLVE, THERE'S TRIGGERS THAT MM-HMM . THAT WOULD DISSOLVE THE ASSETS AND THEY WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE, WE PARTNER WITH NOW. SO ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE WILLIAMSBURG COMMUNITY FOUNDATION. THERE'S OTHERS. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD JUST DISSOLVE AND IT WOULD GO BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY GOES. THAT WOULD BE A DECISION AGAIN, FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE. RIGHT. BUT TO MR. SHEPHERD'S POINT, IF YOU HAVE AN ENTITY COME ON SITE AND SET UP SHOP THERE THAT IS FOR PROFIT, THEN THE ENTIRE SITE ISN'T BEING USED FOR NONPROFIT ANYMORE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO EVALUATE WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT'S RIGHT. THE TACTICAL STATUS OF THAT PROPERTY. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE FAIR. WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN AT THIS POINT TO HAVE ANY KIND OF ENGAGEMENT LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? IF NOT, RIGHT. I MEAN, I, I WOULD NOTE MR. MR. ROWAN AND FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE REST OF THE BOARD, THAT THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE CONTINUATION, THE CONTINUANCE OF THE REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION IS CONTINGENT ON THE CONTINUED USE OF THE PROPERTIES FOR CHARITABLE AND BENEVOLENT PURPOSES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH THIS EXEMPTION IS GRANTED. SO SHOULD THAT CEASE TO BE THE CASE AT ANY TIME? THE EXEMPTION WOULD, COULD, WOULD NO LONGER APPLY TO THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S IT BLACK AND WHITE IF IT'S EITHER OR. BUT IF IT'S A HYBRID, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO DO, SO. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? OKAY. THIS IS NUMBER 25 DASH 26. YOU WANNA MOVE IT? WE CALL PLEASE . A MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 26 GRANTING TAX EXEMPTION AS REQUESTED. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? NO. MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MOTION CARRIED. FOUR ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT [10. Board of Equalization Jurisdiction Change. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance 25-27 amending Chapter 21, Article 1.5 of the York County Code to require that owners of real property make application to appeal assessments to the York County Board of Equalization before filing an appeal of that assessment in Circuit Court] IS THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION JURISDICTION CHANGE. AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. HILL, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UH, ORDINANCE IS TO MAKE A, UH, CHANGE TO, UH, THE COUNTY ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A ALLOWABLE PROVISION OF STATE LAW THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, OWNERS OF REAL PROPERTY TO FIRST APPEAL THEIR REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION BEFORE THEY CAN GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. UH, THE MEMO OUTLINES SORT OF AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THE PROCESS GENERALLY WORKS, BUT FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND ORDINARILY, UM, A, WE DO OUR REAL ESTATE REASSESSMENTS, UH, BI ANN BY ANALLY MM-HMM . IN YORK COUNTY. AND SO EVERY TWO YEARS, THE ASSESSOR REAL ESTATE, UH, RE REEVALUATES AND REASSESSES EACH PIECE OF REAL PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY. AND AFTER THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETE, THE STATE LAW AND, AND OUR RULES REQUIRE THE VALUE BE SET AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THAT YEAR. FOLLOWING THAT, THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH A TAXPAYER OR A PROPERTY OWNER CAN REQUEST [02:25:01] THAT THE ASSESSOR REVIEW THE REAL ESTATE TAX VALUE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BY THE TAXPAYER JUSTIFIES MAKING A CHANGE TO THE ASSESSMENT. UM, FOLLOWING THAT, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION MEETS FOR ROUGHLY A TWO MONTH PERIOD, AND THAT BOARD OF EQUALIZATION THEN LOOKS AT ANY REQUESTS THAT ARE FILED BY TAXPAYERS. TAXPAYERS DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE ASSESSOR BEFORE THEY GO TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, ALTHOUGH THEY USUALLY DO. UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, THE NORMAL PROCESS WOULD BE THAT A TAXPAYER COULD FILE AN APPEAL IN CIRCUIT COURT UNDER CURRENT, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. A AN AGGRIEVED TAXPAYER IN YORK COUNTY HAS ESSENTIALLY ALMOST FOUR YEARS TO FILE AN APPEAL FOR TAX DATES GOING BACK AS MANY AS FOUR YEARS AFTER THE ASSESSMENT IS DONE. AND IN SOME CASES, ALTHOUGH RARE, UM, A, THE COUNTY MIGHT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY FILES AN A, A A CASE IN CIRCUIT COURT AND WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN ISSUE, THEY NEVER BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION. THEY NEVER TO GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT IT OR REVIEW IT IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. AND MANY YEARS LATER, THE INFORMATION MIGHT NOT, MIGHT NOT BE VALID ANYMORE. WE MAY NOT HAVE PEOPLE WORKING HERE ANYMORE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE ASSESSMENT AND A VARIETY OF OTHER, OF OTHER THINGS. SO IT DOES PRESENT SOME OBLIGATION ON THE TAXPAYER TO BE A LITTLE BIT DILIGENT IN PURSUING THEIR REMEDIES. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT ALSO, I THINK, PROVIDES AN AVENUE FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE NOTICE AND, AND REMEDY SITUATIONS THAT NEED TO BE REMEDIED AND ALSO TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER. SO THAT'S THE EXPLANATION FOR WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I CERTAINLY DO. I DO. YOU DO. GO AHEAD. MR. HILL AND I SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF THE AFTERNOON ON THE TELEPHONE. MY ISSUE IS THAT WE ARE, IF YOU MISS THAT TWO MONTH WINDOW OF FILING AN APPEAL WITH PART OF EQUALIZATION, YOU THEN CANNOT EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT AND GET, AND GET IT OVERTURNED THE NEXT, THE NEXT 22 MONTHS. YOU'RE LOCKED UNTIL THE NEXT ASSESSMENT COMES ALONG. THAT'S HOW I'M READING THIS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I, AND I JUST FEEL THAT YOU'RE DENYING PEOPLE THEIR, THEIR RIGHTS TO GO TO COURT IF THEY HAVE A GRIEVANCE. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. AND, AND I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I, I WENT BACK AND DID SOME HOMEWORK THIS AFTERNOON. THERE'S A CERTAIN GENTLEMAN WHO, UH, OWNS A FARM ON FENTON MILL ROAD, AND HE ALSO OPERATES THE SAME FARM ON SKIMO ROAD. IT BELONGS TO A DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNER. ONE IS ASSESSED AT $15,000 AN ACRE AND ONE IS AT $32,000 AN ACRE. HE WENT TO THE COUNTY ASSESSOR AT THE BEGINNING OF 2024 AND CHALLENGED THAT NUMBER, AND THEY MADE SOME CORRECTIONS TO IT BASED ON CONSIDERING RAVINES THAT WERE ON HIS PROPERTY AND REDUCING THE TOTAL, THE TOTAL, UH, AMOUNT OWING. BUT HE IS STILL MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SAME PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD. HE DID NOT TAKE IT TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION BECAUSE HE FELT THAT HE HAD GONE TO THE ASSESSOR AND DONE AND DONE EVERYTHING HE COULD. THE ASSESSOR WAS WRONG. SHE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT FAIR MARKET VALUE AND FAIR MARKET VALUE IN THIS CASE. IS THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE ROAD THAT HE'S ALSO FARMING? WHY WEREN'T, WHY WEREN'T THEY CONSIDERED OF EQUAL VALUE? HERE HE IS A YEAR LATER STILL, STILL ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE. WE'RE TALKING SEVERAL TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF, UH, ADDITIONAL TAXES. AND, AND I SEE THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM GETTING CAUGHT IN THE LOOP. IF, IF YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE ISSUE WITHIN THAT FIRST TWO MONTHS, HE'S NOW LOST THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE IT TO CIRCUIT COURT. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PROPERTIES UP IN THAT SKI AREA THAT ARE A PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM COME THROUGH ALREADY. ONE OF 'EM WE'RE ADDRESSING IN, IN CONSENT CALENDAR TONIGHT. I I JUST, I'M OPPOSED TO A CONDITION WHERE YOU LOSE THE RIGHT TO GO TO CIRCUIT COURT IF YOU HAVE FAILED TO EXERCISE THE RIGHT TO GO TO THE EQUALIZATION BOARD BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE ASSESSOR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I FOLLOW GOES ALONG THAT, WELL, IF, IF WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GONNA GO TO COURT ANYWAY. WOULD THE COURT DENY THEM THE RIGHT FOR APPEAL BASED ON THE FACT THAT HE FOLLOWED PROCEDURES? IT YES, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT TEST GOES RIGHT TO WHAT HE JUST SAID. THAT WOULD BE THE DEFENSE THAT WOULD BE ASSERTED. UM, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT I, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS ARE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. UM, THE, THE ORDINANCE IS BEING PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS I THINK IT IS, NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT. THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES, BOTH IN OUR CODE AND [02:30:01] IN STATE LAW WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A NARROW WINDOW OF TIME OR A WINDOW OF TIME TO ASSERT THEIR RIGHTS. AND A CLASSIC EXAMPLE IS A ZONING DECISIONS. THERE'S A, THERE'S A VERY LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH YOU HAVE TO APPEAL THOSE, OR YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO, UM, TO FILE AN APPEAL AT ALL. SO IT'S NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT. I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GOING TO COULD, UH, SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WHAT COULD THE ORDINANCE BE CHANGED SUCH THAT IF THE LANDOWNER ADDRESSED OR APPROACHED BOTH EITHER OUR, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION OR THE COUNTY ASSESSOR DURING THAT TWO MONTH TIMEFRAME, THE, UM, WELL, STATE LAW LAW, STATE LAW, STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN, YOU CAN REQUIRE THEM TO GO TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. IT'S SILENT AS TO THE ROLE OF THE ASSESSOR. HOWEVER, I WOULD NOTE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO, THE, THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IS EXTREMELY MINIMAL. YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY THE NAME OF THE OWNER, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT I THINK THE VALUE SHOULD BE. BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO. BUT, BUT THE LANDOWNER TYPICALLY DOESN'T KNOW THAT. WELL, YEAH. LET ME, LET ME KIND OF ADD AGAIN, I'M GONNA KIND OF ADD ON TO WHAT YOU SAID. SO IF, IF WHAT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY THAT I GET MY LETTER. OKAY. AND I CALL THE, THE, THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE. IT SAYS YOU CALLED THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE TO TALK ABOUT IT. A NARROW WINDOW THAT DOESN'T START YOUR APPEAL PROCESS. SO THE, THE PROCESS IS, AND, AND THE NOTICES THAT WE SEND OUT WOULD HAVE, IF WE, IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED, THE NOTICES THAT WE SEND OUT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPDATED TO ADVISE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT IF YOU WISH TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT TO, TO CONTEST YOUR ASSESSMENT IN CIRCUIT COURT, YOU HAVE TO FILE WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION. WELL SEE THAT THAT'S THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE, THEY, FOR YEARS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THIS COUNTY IS TOLD PEOPLE THAT IF YOU CALL THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, IN FACT, THEY WILL PUSH YOU OFF OF GOING TO BOARD OF, OF ZONING APPEAL OR, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE BOARD OF BOARD OF EQUALIZATION LEGALIZATION. GOD, I LOST MY BRAIN THERE. SO I'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES TALKING ABOUT THIS VERY ORDINANCE. SO, SO IT IT, THEY PUSH YOU OFF TO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE WE'LL, AND THEN, THEN IT GIVES YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO RESPOND UNDER CURRENT LAW. THAT'S, THAT'S ACCURATE. BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. SO, SO WHAT'S PUSHING THIS? IT, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A REQUEST THAT'S BEING DONE IN ORDER TO GIVE THE COUNTY THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE, BE GIVEN ADVANCE NOTICE OF PROBLEMS THAT MAY EXIST PRO AND, AND PRIMARILY LARGER TAXPAYERS. UM, I MEAN, A LARGE COMMERCIAL TAXPAYER COULD WAIT THREE YEARS AS THEY HAVE THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT TAX LIABILITY TO THE COUNTY AND BUDGETARY IMPACT AND COULD WAIT. OKAY. THREE YEARS WITHOUT EVER BRINGING IT TO THE COUNTY'S ATTENTION. IN FAIRNESS, IN FAIRNESS, LET'S GIVE 'EM A, GIVE 'EM A YEAR. DOES WILL LAW ALLOW US TO GIVE 'EM A YEAR, SIX MONTHS TO GIVE 'EM A YEAR TO FILE WITH THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION? YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD POT THERE'S TWO PROBLEMS WITH THAT. ONE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO RE, YOU'D HAVE TO RE, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION PROCESS WORKS IN YORK COUNTY, WHICH YOU CAN DO. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THERE'S BUDGETARY, THE REASON WHY THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION PROCESS IS LIMITED IN TIME RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT IS IN ANY YEAR IS BECAUSE THERE'S BUDGETARY IMPACTS. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RESULTS OF ALL THOSE DECISIONS ARE WHILE YOU'RE FORMULATING, UM, YOUR BUDGET. SO, UM, COULD YOU CHANGE IT FROM TWO MONTHS TO THREE MONTHS OR FOUR MONTHS? THERE'S A MR. HILL, IF I WERE ASK YOU TO TABLE THIS, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION FOR US? UM, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN DO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I MEAN, I CAN, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN APPROACH IT. UM, YOU, IF YOU GIVE GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING FOR, I CAN CERTAINLY, I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. MRS. NOEL IS TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING THE TIME PERIOD. I MEAN, LOGICALLY YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE THE APPEAL DEADLINE ON THAT'S SET BY STATE LAW, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PEGGED TO THE PERIOD THAT THE ASSESSOR HAS. SO YOU COULD SAY, GIVE THE ASSESSOR AN ADDITIONAL MONTH. SO THAT PERIOD WOULD RUN TILL THE END OF FEBRUARY AND THEN EXTEND THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATIONS PERIOD FOR A COUPLE ADDITIONAL MONTHS. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FINISH ITS WORK IN TIME PRIOR TO THE, TO THE FINALIZATION OF AN ANNUAL, OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY THAT MIGHT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT GOING FOR 22 MONTHS WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY, AND I I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'D WANNA DO THIS, BUT TO REQUIRE THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, AND THIS IS A FAIRLY EASY ONE [02:35:01] THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION TO MEET ANNUALLY INSTEAD OF SEMI-ANNUALLY. SO THEN YOU COULD COME TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION IN THE SECOND YEAR OF THE BIANNUAL AND SAY, HEY, I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS IS, THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND THEN HAVE THEM, MY ISSUE IS THERE'S, THERE'S 14 PROPERTIES IN THAT FENTON MILL AREA THAT ARE 20 ACRES OR GREATER, AND THE RANGE OF ASSESSED VALUE ON THOSE PROPERTIES IS FROM 10,300 TO 70,270. I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT. THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE ASSESSOR. SO, BUT THAT COMES BACK TO ME. IF, IF THERE'S AN OBVIOUS ERROR BY THE ASSESSOR, THEN DOES THAT NOT GIVE THE, THE LANDOWNER THE RIGHTS TO TAKE IT TO CIRCUIT COURT, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE MISSED AN, AN EQUALIZATION? UM, THE, THIS THIS, THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO AN APPEAL OF A GENERAL REASSESSMENT. THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER PROCEDURES, BUT IN ORDER TO FILE IN CIRCUIT COURT, IF YOU, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE VALUATION OF YOUR GENERAL REASSESSMENT THAT THE COUNTY SETS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT THEN WHEN BEFORE YOU COULD GO TO CIRCUIT COURT. I CAN'T LIVE WITH TWO MONTHS. WELL SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. A YEAR. I'M SORRY, I'M JUST SAYING A YEAR. YEAR. BECAUSE WHAT IF WE GO TO A DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT CYCLE? YEAH. OKAY. WE GO TO A SHORTER SI ASSESSMENT CYCLE MM-HMM . SO, AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T END UP WITH A RE YOU DON'T END UP WITH ASSESSMENTS OVER ASSESSMENTS, OVER ASSESSMENT. SO YOU GIVE 'EM, YOU GIVE 'EM ONE YEAR, AND IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER IN ONE YEAR, THEY'RE IN TROUBLE, THEN THEY'RE IN. THAT'S IT. I CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO FORMULATE A WAY TO, UM, DO, DO A ONE YEAR PERIOD IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER. WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THIS APPROACH? 'CAUSE I'VE, AS I'VE BEEN CONSIDERING THIS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO THINK, WHAT WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE? AND I THINK YOU'RE STARTING TO ADDRESS THAT BY SOME PROPERTY OWNERS OF SUBSTANCE WAITING TWO OR THREE YEARS HITTING THE COUNTY WITH A QUESTION. THAT'S ENOUGH TO MOVE THE NEEDLE AS FAR AS BUDGET BUDGETS ARE CONCERNED. I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY SHOULD APPLY TO MOST PROPERTIES IN YOUR COUNTY. I DON'T, IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE RECREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT, THAT PRE PROHIBITS SOMEBODY'S ABILITY TO SEEK, UM, JUDGMENT AS AN AGREED PARTY WITH, WITH, WITH THE COURTS, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PROPERTY IN YOUR COUNTY. BUT I, I SEE THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT WE'RE ALSO ADDRESSING ELSEWHERE. SO INSTEAD OF A TIME BASE CHANGE, CAN WE LIMIT IT TO PROPERTIES OF A CERTAIN VALUE OR GREATER, BECAUSE BELOW THAT, IT'S NOT GONNA MOVE THE NEEDLE ENOUGH ABOVE IT. IT DOES. WOULD IT BE LEGAL TO SAY, FOR PROPERTIES OF VALUE OF X, WHATEVER WE DECIDE X IS YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT HAS BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS, OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IN YOUR WAY. THE ANSWER TO THAT I BELIEVE IS NO. HOWEVER, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE, AND I CAN LOOK AND I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME DIGGING AND SOME RESEARCH TO SEE IF IT CAN BE DONE BY CLASSIFICATION. IT'D BE A CLASSIFICATION, BUT RIGHT. AND THAT WOULD, I WOULD SAY JUST TO SIMPLY WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL. WELL, THAT CLASSIFICATION THAT MAY BE POSSIBLE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. CAN WE BREAK OUT COMMERCIAL AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE HOW MANY OF THESE DO WE HAVE ON AN, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, WOULD YOU SAY? I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW MANY BOARD OF, UH, EQUALIZATION APPEALS WE HAVE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BUT I MEAN ON IT EVERY, EVERY TWO YEARS. BUT LET'S SAY THERE'S 15 TO 20 OR MORE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE COMMERCIAL AND, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES. UM, OF THOSE, UM, SINCE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE HAD, I'M AWARE OF FIVE APPEALS TO CIRCUIT COURT. ALL BUT ONE OF THOSE WERE THE SAME PROPERTY. UM, ONE OF 'EM WAS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT WAS BASED UPON, UM, AN ASSESS, AN ASSERTION OF A FAIR MARKET VALUE AS, UH, UM, APPRAISAL THAT WAS DONE AFTER THE RELEVANT TIME PERIOD. I MEAN, THERE WAS SOME OTHER ISSUES IN THAT CASE AS WELL. BUT, UH, REALISTICALLY, THE, THE PART OF THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT THE, THE, THE ASSESSMENT TIME PERIOD IS JANUARY ONE OF THE YEAR. MM-HMM . I MEAN, THERE ARE WAYS THE BOARD CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANNUAL ASSESSMENTS OR OTHER THINGS. BUT REALISTICALLY THE WAY THE LAW IS, IS YOU ASSESS YOUR PROPERTY BASED ON THE FAIR MARKET VALUE ON JANUARY 1ST. I MEAN, IT MAY BE THAT A YEAR LATER IT IS NOT THE FAIR MARKET VALUE, BUT THE LAW DOESN'T REALLY ADJUST THE, THE, THE LAW AND, AND, AND THE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE FINALITY [02:40:01] FOR THE COUNTY DOES NOT REALLY COUNTENANCE EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU BELIEVE THAT THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS CHANGED. BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND SAY, I THINK IT'S DONE. I MEAN, YOU DO IT AS OF JANUARY 1ST AND THEN THE NEXT TWO YEAR CYCLE AS OF JANUARY 1ST. AND THE RULES FOR THAT OF HOW ASSESSMENTS WORK ARE VERY COMPLICATED. AND WE HAVE REAL ESTATE ASSESSORS AND PROFESSIONALS WHO, WHO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT SO YOUR YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT THAT'S HARPING ABOUT, UH, AN UNFAIR ASSESSMENT AND WANTS TO TAKE IT TO COURT, ISN'T THERE A COST FACTOR? I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS, IT'S, IT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTIES ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT TO COURT BECAUSE THE COST WOULD EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF AMOUNT OF MONEY, MONEY THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. I, I, I'M, I'M WITH DOUG. I WOULD SAY WE CAN TABLE IT UNTIL YOU CAN COME BACK. I REALLY LIKE BREAKING THE COMMERCIAL OUT, UH, VERSUS THE RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEM BY CLASSIFICATION, BY CATION, CATION, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? CORRECT. VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. I'LL LOOK AND SEE WHETHER THAT'S POSSIBLE. IT MAY NOT BE, BUT I'LL LOOK. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION TO TABLE ROLL CALL PLEASE? MOTION BY MS. DO ON THAT? WHAT DO WE NEED TO TABLE TO SUCH AND SUCH A DATE? 60 DAYS TABLE? I WOULD ADD, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND IF, IF, IF THERE IS, IF THERE IS AN INTEREST IN DOING THIS, THAT IT BE DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. YES. SO THAT IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL, I GUESS WE'RE BACK SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING. AND SEE, SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL, DOES THAT GIVE YOU TIME? IT, THAT GIVES YOU TIME. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPOSED ORDINANCE 25 27 AMENDING YORK COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 21 TO NOVEMBER 20TH. MR. HOL? YES. MR. DREWRY? YES. MR. ROME. YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MRS. NOLL? UH, YES. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS. THANK YOU, MS. SNO, I HAVE NOTHING FOR YOU AT THE MOMENT. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO FILL OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? YEAH, GO AHEAD. YES, I THINK I FIGURED YOU DID GO FOR IT BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS PRINCIPALLY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE AT OUTSIDE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS AND ANYBODY'S INTERESTED. BUT I REALLY WANTED TO GET TO THE BOARD. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. THE, YOU KNOW, UM, GREG GRUTEN, DORF, UM, UH, ON THE, UH, HR PVC STAFF. OKAY. AND I, AND SO, AND I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS, AND I'M OVER THERE WITH, UH, SHEILA'S, UH, OUR REPRESENTATIVE. I'M OVER THERE WITH THE TPO AND THEY, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, I WANT TO KIND OF GET A SENSE OF HOW WE ARE DOING. UM, AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I'M JUST GOING READ YOU THIS KIND OF GET, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE. UH, YOU CAN HAVE IT IF YOU WANT AND MAKE COPIES OF IT, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT TRENDS AND THE TRENDS, UH, EFFECT AFFECT US. AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE GDP, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS SAYS OF OCTOBER TRENDING UP. OKAY? UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, COOL, THAT'S GOOD. UH, RETAIL SALES AND HAMPTON ROADS ARE TRENDING DOWN. NOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THIS UP AND DOWN THING, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IN YOUR MIND, PUT IT, HOW, WHAT KIND OF SENSE IS THIS MAKING? AND VIRGINIA'S GOING UP, BUT HERE, UH, RETAIL SALES ARE GOING DOWN, HOTEL REVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN VIRGINIA AND HERE ARE GOING UP. THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG THING BECAUSE WE GOT MOST OF THE HOTELS IN THE TRI, IN THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE AREA. UM, THE SEASONAL FOR EMPLOYMENT, SEASONAL PAYROLL, OKAY. HAS BEEN GOING UP. UH, BUT THE FIVE YEAR ADJUSTED IS GOING DOWN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT I CAN GET OUT OF THAT. BUT IN HAMPTON ROADS, THE TREND IS UP. VIRGINIA'S UP THE UNITED STATES IS UP, OKAY. FOR EMPLOYMENT, UH, THE CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE. THEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, WHERE THE LABOR FORCE IS GOING DOWN, EMPLOYED, GOING DOWN, UNEMPLOYED IS GOING UP. SO BASICALLY THEIR JOBS ARE KIND OF SHRINKING OUT THERE. AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN SEEING THIS FOR A WHILE. MM-HMM . UH, UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN HAMPTON ROADS IS GOING DOWN. THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, THE UNEMPLOYED OKAY, IS GOING DOWN IN VIRGINIA, STAYING LEVEL IN THE UNITED STATES, UNEMPLOYMENT IS GOING UP. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING BETTER. UH, UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS IN BOTH HAMPTON ROADS AND VIRGINIA ARE GOING UP, UH, GROWTH [02:45:01] IN INDUSTRY. UM, ANYBODY WANT CARE TO GUESS AT WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE BEST GROWTH IN INDUSTRY? IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU GO TO OLD, YOU GO TO SUPERMARKETS, YOU GO DOWN 17, WHAT DO YOU SEE? AND THE HOSPITALS HAVE TAKEN OVER ALL THE EMPTY SPACES. SO AT HEALTHCARE AND SOCIAL SERVICES ARE THE NUMBER ONE BUSINESS GROWTH IN, UH, IN OUR, UM, OUR AREA, UH, THE ONE THAT'S FAILING IS MANUFACTURING. MANUFACTURING, UH, BUILDING PERMITS ARE GOING DOWN. RESIDENTIAL HOMES SOLD ARE GOING DOWN. 30 YEAR FIXED MORTGAGE RATES. AVERAGE IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN, OKAY? WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN. UM, NATIONAL ECONOMY, IT SAYS IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, INFLATION ADJUSTED GDP ROSE AT AN ANNUAL RATE OF ABOUT 3.8% IS A SHARP REBOUND, UH, FROM THE CONTRACTION OF THE GDP AND PREVIOUS QUARTERS. GROWTH CONTINUES, BUT IS DE UH, DECEL. THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAS EDGED HIGHER SINCE 2023, REFLECTING JOB MARKET THAT IS SLOW TO HIRE THE HAMPTON ROADS ECONOMY. THE, THE REGION IS FEELING SLOW DOWN MORE. UH, ACUTELY RETAIL SALES FELL 3% YEAR OVER YEAR IN JULY, AND IT SLIPPED MODESTLY MONTH TO MONTH FOR MOST OF THE SUMMER AS RETAIL SALES ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION SPENDING REMAINS ABOVE PRE PANDEMIC LEVELS. BUT GROWTH IS FLATTENED. SO, YOU KNOW, THE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION PART ON THE, ON THE GROWTH IS, IS KIND OF JUST LEVELING OUT. THE LABOR FORCE HAS NOW DECLINED FOR SEVEN CONSECUTIVE MONTHS. OKAY? UH, IT'S DOWN 1.7%, UH, FROM LAST YEAR. THE PULLBACK MAY PARTIALLY REFLECT THE ONGOING FEDERAL CUTBACKS, WHICH CONTINUE TO WEIGH HEAVILY ON LOCAL EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE WHY? WE GOT A BUNCH OF EMPLOYEES, FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HERE, RIGHT? UH, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DIPS SLIGHTLY TO IN AUGUST TO 3.7, BUT REMAINED HIGHER THAN IT WAS THE START OF THE YEAR SINCE JANUARY. HAMPTON ROAD'S UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAS RISEN 0.4, UH, PERCENT POINTS, PERCENTAGE POINTS COMPARED TO 0.3 PERCENTAGE POINTS NATIONALLY, UH, ADJUSTED, UM, LET'S SEE. UH, THAT WAS NOT EXPORT, OKAY? HOUSING AND REAL ESTATE. THE HOUSING MARKET CONTINUES TO SHOW, TO SHOW SIGNS OF COOLING. HOME SALES FELL 2% IN AUGUST, THE SECOND MONTHLY DROP, AND ARE SLIGHTLY BELOW LAST YEAR'S LEVEL. EVEN AS THE TOTAL SALES OF 2025 REMAIN NARROWLY POSITIVE. BUILDING PERMITS CONTINUE TO LAG. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THE REASON THAT IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHAT IT PULLS US OUT OF A RECESSION IS BUILDING PERMITS. MM-HMM . OKAY? HOUSING. ALRIGHT, MORTGAGE RATES, UH, EASE SLIGHTLY. OH, GREAT. I LOVE THIS. MORTGAGE RATES EASE TO 6.4%. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE A MORTGAGE RATE, THAT'S 2.5% THAT YOU DON'T WANNA SELL YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S FREE MONEY. UH, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'S MIXED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR WITH THAT, THOSE NUMBERS IS THE STAG, STAGFLATION, STAGFLATION, OKAY? AND, UH, THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD, THAT, THAT REALLY COULD HURT. IT, IT CREEPS UP ON YOU. IT, AND WE'RE SEEING, WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF IT. OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. NOW, THIS SLIDE, UH, THIS SLIDE, I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN SEE IT ON CAMERA HERE, IF I CAN GET IT ADJUSTED CORRECTLY. UH, THIS SHOWS ALL THE PROJECTS, UH, THE HAMPTON ROADS, UH, THE, UH, HR, HOT, THE TPO, AND, UH, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE PROJECTS. AND THEN THE HR T, WHICH IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSION, BASICALLY, UH, FUNDS THESE PROJECTS. OKAY? AT THE TOP, AT THE TOP OF THE SHEET, IT SHOWS 5.3 BILLION IN, IN CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S THE LARGEST, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, UM, ON THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES. NOW, NEW YORK HAD SOME, BUT THEY'VE KIND OF BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN, THE MONEY'S BEEN PULLED BACK ON THOSE. BUT THESE ARE, THIS IS A HUGE SUM OF MONEY AND EVERY PROJECT'S LISTED DOWN HERE. AND IF YOU SEE UNDER THE I HR, UH, BT EXPANSION, YOU'LL SEE THAT THREE POINT, UH, EXCUSE ME, IT'S GOT 3.55 BILLION FOR THE, FOR THE TUNNEL. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE 25 MILLION FOR THAT SEIS. THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY. THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT IT COST TO JUST TO DO THAT TUNNEL. THE ENVIRONMENT IS $29 MILLION. THESE NUMBERS ARE, ARE REALLY, REALLY HUGE. UM, SO NOW IF YOU GO, NEXT SLIDE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PRIORITY PROJECTS, WHICH ARE THE LIST, THE ONES YOU JUST SAW, THAT'S THESE, I'M GET THIS THING SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. BUT THAT, THAT'S THE LIST OF ALL THE PRIORITY PROJECTS, INCLUDES, UH, ALL THE WIDENING OF 17, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, OF I 64, TALKS ABOUT THE BRIDGE, UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE TUNNEL. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE HIGH RIDES BRIDGE, THE INTERCHANGE. AND IT'S GOING, WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S GOING FROM, UH, FROM THE NORTH [02:50:01] COMING DOWN, AND THEN IT'S SWEEPING BACK AROUND TO THE, UM, UH, THROUGH, YOU'RE DOING THE HRBT, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO THE MONITOR MERRIMACK, AND IT'S WORKING UP THROUGH B BOWERS HILL. SO AS ALL THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, AND THE, THE REASON, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE REASON THESE PROJECTS CAN BE FUNDED IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE, UM, 0.7% IN SALES TAX WE WERE ALLOWED TO RAISE. UM, AND THE GAS TAX IN 2013, UNDER THE BILL, UH, I THINK IT WAS HOUSE BILL, YEAH. 2013. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE TOTALS ON THIS PAGE, YOU'LL SEE RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT LONG COLUMN ON THE TOP HERE, UM, THAT'S THIS LIST IN HERE. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE EXPENDITURES. OKAY? AND THE, LIKE, THE, LIKE UP THE PRIOR YEARS. THE PRIOR, IT'S LIKE STARTS WITH 2024. THE PRIOR YEARS IS OVER $5 BILLION IN EXPENDITURES. OKAY? AND THEN THIS THING CONTINUES ON OUT TO 2031 MM-HMM . AND EVERY YEAR YOU SEE THESE, THEY KEEP ADDING ON TILL YOU GET TO SEVEN RIGHT NOW, SEVEN POINT ROUGHLY $6 BILLION. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE MONEY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RAISE IS ALLOWED US TO LEVERAGE THAT MONEY TO GET ALL THESE BONDS TO PAY FOR THESE PROJECTS. AND IF YOU LOOK, CONTINUE ON THAT SHEET TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE UNDER THERE WHERE, HOW'D THEY GET THIS MONEY. AND THIS THING'S CALLED PEGO. AND PEGO AS THE NAME IMP IMPLIES YOU PAY FOR IT AS YOU GO, RIGHT? IF WE HAD BEEN LIMITED TO PAYGO, I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE TPO AND HR TAX, WE WOULD HAVE NONE OF THESE PROJECTS. WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO GET THE MONEY, UH, FROM TAXES OR FROM TOLLS. WE'D NEVER, WE'D JUST NEVER HAVE THE MONEY. STATE WOULD COME IN AND GIVE US SOME MONEY, BUT THEY WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BUY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEBT, UH, THEY'RE PAYING FOR THIS. SO, SO FROM THE PAY GOAL, WE WERE ABLE TO GET $2.5 BILLION OF, FROM HR, THE HR, UM, ATTACK, THE, UH, UM, THE, UH, HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION FUND DEBT, OKAY? IS $3.3 BILLION. AND THEN YOU HAVE TOLLS WHERE WE GET SIX, ALMOST HALF A BILLION, 655, UH, UH, MILLION DOLLARS. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VDOT THAT THE STATE ACTUALLY GAVE US, WE, I DIDN'T, THIS WAS KIND OF SURPRISE TO ME. WE ACTUALLY GOT $777 MILLION OUT OF THE STATE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. AND, AND, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YEAH, THAT'S ALL. BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME ACROSS WITH 276 MILLION. SO I 64, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S A FEDERAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM, AND WE ARE PAYING IN, IN HAMPTON ROADS, 90% OF THE COST OF ALL THESE PROJECTS. THE STATE'S GIVEN A 777 MILLION. AND THE, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COUGHED UP ONLY 276 MILLION. MM-HMM . I'LL TELL YOU, THAT WOULDN'T EVEN COVER THE TRESTLE INTO, INTO ONE OF THOSE, TO THE HAMPTON ROAD BRIDGE TUNNEL. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE HRT CASH FLOW. OKAY. UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE. OKAY. A LOT OF NUMBERS. BUT THE, THE, THE, THE ONE TO, UH, TO LOOK AT HERE IS THE TOTAL REVENUE, OKAY. WHICH IS $4.6 BILLION OKAY. THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COLLECT. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. UH, ABOVE THAT, ON THE TOTAL IT SAYS REVENUE, AND THEN IT HAS THE TOTAL, YOU CAN SEE ON YEAR TO YEAR, WE ARE AVERAGING FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE SALES TAX AT SEVEN TENTHS OF A SALES TAX AND THE GAS TAX, WE'RE AVERAGING ALMOST $300 MILLION A YEAR. OKAY. TO, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE MONEY THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE BOND MARKET. YOU CAN RAISE THE DEBT FOR THAT. UM, AND YOU CAN GET SOME GOOD RATES IF YOU GOT THE MUSCLE AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE MONEY BEHIND YOU THERE. UM, AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT MONEY AND YOU CAN LEVERAGE THESE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT ACTUALLY WILL ENHANCE, UH, OUR ABILITY TO CREATE BUSINESS WITH AND, AND PROTECT OUR, OUR, UH, MILITARY, UH, BASES. SO FOR RAPID DEPLOYMENTS AND MOVEMENT OF, OF TROOPS AND SUPPLIES. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT OUR PORT, OUR PORT, UH, HIRES OVERALL, THE EMPLOYMENT TIED TO THE PORT ACROSS THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, IT'S 200 AND 250,000 PEOPLE. ALRIGHT? IT'S 10% OF THE ECONOMY OF, OF VIRGINIA, JUST OUT OF OUR, OUR ONE PORT. OKAY. UM, WHICH IS, UH, IS, WHICH IS PRETTY AMAZING. SO I WANTED YOU TO JUST KIND OF GET A TASTE OF THE STUFF THAT WE, THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE ARE PART OF THIS. WE'VE GOT A LOT TO BE PROUD OF THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE THESE PROJECTS. EVENTUALLY, THEY, THEY'RE ON TRACK. THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG PART OF IT. WE, I WAS THERE WHEN THEY BROKE THROUGH THE TUNNEL WITH THE, UH, THE BORING MACHINE. I WATCHED IT, UH, WATCHED IT COME [02:55:01] OUT THE OTHER SIDE, AND THAT COMPLETED, THAT COMPLETED THE BASIC BUILDING OF THE TUNNEL. OKAY. SO THAT $72 MILLION PIECE OF MACHINERY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. AND THEY'RE NOW CREATING, FINISHING UP THE, THE PARTS WHERE THEY'VE GOTTA DO THE ROAD PART THROUGH THE TUNNEL. UH, THEY'RE FINISHING UP THE BRIDGE, THE TRESTLES, WHICH ARE AMAZING NOW TO SEE. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OVER FOR A WHILE, OH. AND ONE OF THE HARDEST, HARDEST THINGS NOW TO DEAL WITH, AND SHEILA AND I HAD TO DEAL WITH IT GOING OVER TO THE, UM, TO CHESAPEAKE FOR THE REGIONAL MEETINGS, IS THAT THEY'RE NOW DOING THE, UH, THE KIND OF TOLL LANES. AND I MEAN, IT GOES FROM TIDEWATER LANE FOREVER. AND, UH, IT TOOK US ALMOST LIKE, IT TOOK ME 45 MINUTES JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT ONE PIECE, WHICH GENERALLY WOULD ONLY TAKE 10 MINUTES AT THE MOST. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA BE GOING ON UNTIL THIS THING'S, THIS THING'S FINISHED. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF STUFF STILL HAPPENING WOULD MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF GET A TASTE OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TOM, WHAT'S THAT TUNNEL PROJECT? UH, WHEN'S IT SLATED TO END? WHICH ONE? THE HAMPTON ROAD TUNNEL. OH, THE TUNNEL. I THINK IT'S, UH, 27, 20 28. YEAH. NOT 27. I THINK THAT'S WHEN IT'S DONE. SLIPPED THE YEAR EARLY. EARLY OR MID. MIKE, WHO KNOWS. WHO KNOWS? OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW. STEVEN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO, I THINK I'M GONNA TRY TO SAY MY VOICE TO THE REMAINDER OF THE EVENING . OKAY. BUT I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY THAT IN A WEEK AND A HALF, WE DO HAVE HALLOWEEN. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS OUT AT NIGHTTIME ON THE ROAD WALKING AROUND FOR TREATS. SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL AND PLEASE BE CAREFUL. OKAY. DOUG, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I DO. UM, FIRST OF ALL, NOVEMBER 5TH IS VOTING DAY . AND, UH, OUR, UH, OUR REGISTRAR, UH, DID A TALLY OF HOW MANY OF OUR VOTERS IN YORK COUNTY HAVE ACTUALLY VOTED, UH, THROUGH EARLY VOTING. AND THE NUMBERS ARE SURPRISINGLY LOW, 17% ON AVERAGE, UH, NUMBER OF VOTERS WHO HAVE ELECTED TO EITHER DO THE MAIL-IN BALLOT OR SHOW UP AT THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE AND, AND VOTE IN ADVANCE. AND THAT'S A LOW NUMBER, WHICH IS NOT A GOOD SIGN BECAUSE THAT, UH, THAT EITHER MEANS EVERYBODY'S LINING UP ON ELECTION DAY OR THEY'RE BEING, OR THEY'RE PROCRASTINATING. AND I'M, I'M, I'M FEARFUL OF THE PROCRASTINATION. SO IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME, GET OUT AND VOTE . UM, I WANTED TO THANK OUR CHAIR. UM, MS. NOLL HAS, UM, HAS, UH, ASKED THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER DOING, UH, BOARD RETREAT FOR SOME TIME. AND WE, UH, WE DID THAT ON OCTOBER 8TH AND NINTH. WE VISITED THREE DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND RICOH, STAFFORD AND, UM, HANOVER AND ENCO. ENRICO, YEAH. I SAY ENRICO SPANISH SPELLING. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CANADIAN. CANADIAN. HEY, DON'T TALK ABOUT JAYS . UM, I, I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, SHEILA FOR PULLING THAT TOGETHER. WE, UH, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THOSE THREE COUNTIES TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, HOW THEY'RE MANAGING THEIR CAPITAL, HOW THEY'RE, UH, DEVELOPING NEW TECHNOLOGIES COMING INTO THOSE CENTERS, WHAT THE REVENUE STREAM IS LIKE. AND I THINK IT WAS JUST A TREMENDOUS LEARNING OPPORTUNITY, AND I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH DOUG ON THE, ON THE RETREAT. IT WAS, UH, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL. I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT THERE. MM-HMM . AND, UM, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THE STAFF DID, PUTTING THAT TOGETHER AND, UH, GETTING US THERE AND BACK SAFELY. I HAD, I HAD MY, MY HANDS WERE CLENCHED A COUPLE TIMES WITH EARL, BUT, UM, , IT WAS A PUCKER FACTOR THAT GOT ME, THAT WAS, UH, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UH, THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND I, I CERTAINLY, FOR ONE, LEARNED A LOT. AND WE WILL TAKE THAT EDUCATION AND MAYBE MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'M DONE. THANK YOU. I, I THINK IT WAS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE TO THANK STAFF FOR DOING IT. I HAVE TO THANK THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR AGREEING TO DO IT BECAUSE, UH, WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OUR SKIN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND SEE HOW THE OTHER PART OF THE WORLD LIVES AND MAYBE LEARN SOME NEW IDEAS FROM OTHER AREAS. AND I HOPE THAT WE DID, AND I THINK IT OPENED OUR EYES ON MANY OPPORTUNITIES. AND I HOPE THAT YOUR COUNTY WILL BENEFIT FROM THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED ON THIS TRIP. NOW, NORMALLY I DON'T TALK TOO MUCH AND EVERYBODY TALKED, BUT I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TODAY, THIS, THIS, THIS MORNING. I'VE GOT LITTLE BITS AND PIECES HERE. UH, THIS MORNING I ATTENDED THE STATE OF TRANSIT THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSIT [03:00:01] WA THAT'S THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSPORTATION ALLIANCE OR WHATEVER. AND SUFFOLK TRANSPORTATION. ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF IT WAS DURING COVID BUS RIDERSHIP DROPPED 90%, BUT FORTUNATELY IT'S CONTINUED TO BOUNCE BACK. AND LAST YEAR, HRT ACTUALLY HAD 86,000 RIDERS. JUST THINK OF THAT. 86,000 PEOPLE, RIDERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. UH, THE TRANSIT LEADERS HAVE LEARNED THAT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY'S LEARNING AS WELL, IS THAT FIVE YEAR GOALS ARE NOT ENOUGH. YOU NEED TO THINK LONGER, AND YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR LONGER GOALS. TRANSIT, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS EXPENSIVE. BUT THE ECONOMICS OF THIS FORM OF TRANSPORTATION IS REALLY SO IMPORTANT. EVEN WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE COST TO LOCAL, STATE, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. CONSIDERING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR EVERY DOLLAR EARNED, THERE'S A $5 RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT. 77 TO 80% OF FEDERAL FUNDING TRANS RECEIVES FLOWS TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR BY PROVIDING SERVICE TO RIDER. AND THIS MOBILITY PROVIDES FOR JOB CREATION. OUR LOW INCOME POPULATION ESPECIALLY RELIES ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND MANY NONPROFITS FORTUNATELY SUPPLIED THEM WITH BUS TICKETS SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO THEIR JOBS. THE HOTEL, MOTEL, RESTAURANT AND SMALL BUSINESS SECTOR REALLY NEED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THEIR WORKERS. OUR SENIOR OR HEALTH IMPAIRED POPULATION REALLY ALSO NEED PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THE SPEAKERS TALKED ABOUT MICRO TRANSIT. I LIKE THAT TERM. IT'S A LITTLE NEW ONE TO ME. AND, AND MICRO TRANSIT SERVES THESE POPULATIONS. A PHONE CALL WILL BRING SERVICE TO YOUR DOORSTEP SUPPOSEDLY IN 15 MINUTES. WELL, I HAVEN'T TRIED IT, BUT I WONDER HOW THAT REALLY WORKS. THE BOTTOM LINE THOUGH, IS THAT FUNDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, ALTHOUGH VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, IS VERY, VERY NECESSARY. THOSE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SYSTEMS CONTINUALLY LOOK FOR WAYS TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, YET MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION. THEY LOOK NOT ONLY TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR FUNDING, BUT THEY DEPEND HEAVILY ON FEDERAL AND STATE RESOURCES. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE WELL SPENT. SO THAT'S MY REMARKS FOR THIS EVENING, [CONSENT CALENDAR] AND I THINK WE'RE NOW GOING TO GO TO THE, TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. OKAY. AND ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, IF I GET THROUGH ALL THIS, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR JASON. JASON M. WATKINS, SR. 13 IS TO AUTHORIZE A CONTRACT WITH BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS SCHOOLS ZONE MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT SERVICE. 14, AUTHORIZED MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH VIPC, WHICH WE HEARD FROM BEFORE. 15 IS A TAX REFUND REQUEST. ITEM 16 IS ACCEPT AND APPROPRIATE. THE 2025 PORT SECURITY GRANT AWARD 17 IS THERE. ADOPT FRIDAY, DECEMBER 26 AS OFFICIAL COUNTY HOLIDAY. AND BEFORE, I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS, LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. I'LL TAKE THE MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE. I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE OUR INCREDIBLE COUNTY STAFF. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE TAKEN ON MAJOR PROJECTS, MET TIGHT DEADLINES, AND YOU'VE DONE IT ALL WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND HEART. THE RESULTS OF OUR RECENT NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY SPEAKS VOLUMES. OUR RESIDENTS ARE HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE, AND PROUD TO CALL YOUR COUNTY HOME AS ALL WE DO, A DIRECT REFLECTION OF OUR EMPLOYEES DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT. SO IN, IN RECOGNITION OF THAT OUTSTANDING WORK, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANTED TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. WE'RE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY FOR ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES THIS YEAR. IT'S A SIMPLE BUT HEARTFELT WAY [03:05:01] TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG HOURS, THE TEAMWORK AND THE CARE YOU BRING TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. WE ARE ALL VERY PROUD OF THIS TEAM AND GRATEFUL FOR EACH OF YOU. YOUR EFFORTS MAY COUNT YOUR COUNTY A TRULY EXCEPTIONAL PLACE TO LIVE AND WORK. NOW, THIS IN PAST YEARS, WELL, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD SUDDENLY DECIDE THAT BECAUSE OF OUR EXCEPTIONAL STAFF, WE WOULD GRANT YOU AN ADDED DAY AT CHRISTMAS TIME. AND THEN WE PUT THAT INTO THE CALENDAR. SO THIS TIME WE'RE DOING IT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THE STATE IS DOING IT ALSO. BUT I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT DOWN IN THE TRENCHES WE DO IT AS WELL. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU STAFF. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I HOPE YOU ENJOY THAT EXTRA DAY THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU AT CHRISTMAS TIME. ASSUMING WE PASSED THE CONSENT CALENDAR, THAT'S WE, WELL, NOW YOU DO NOT THINK THAT AFTER WHAT I SAID, THAT THEY WOULD DARE NOT TO PASS . OKAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR THAT, THAT YOU WOULD CARE TO PULL? 13. 13. WHICH ONE? 13. 13. OH, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. 13. THAT'S AUTHORIZED THE CONTRACT WITH BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS SCHOOL ZONE MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT SERVICES. SO I THINK THAT COMES UNDER THE SHERIFF, DOES IT NOT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO HIM? WELL, ACTUALLY I WAS, THAT WAS NO, THAT WAS THAT THE ONE I WANTED TO PULL UP. SO ONE WITH THE, THE ONE WITH THE BOAT, WHATEVER THAT WAS. WHAT DID HE SAY? THE BOAT ONE IN HERE TALKED ABOUT A GRANT. THE BOAT IS VOTE IS NUMBER 16. 16 PORT. OH, 16. I'M SORRY. I HAD, I WAS LOOKING AT 13 AND WHICH IS STILL THE SHERIFF. 16. 16 IS THE ONE YOU MEAN I WOULD RAISE 13 AS WELL. WELL, WE'VE GOT 13 AND WE'VE GOT 16. SO THAT AGAIN, I THINK YOU SAID SHERIFF. YEAH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY, WOULD YOU CARE TO COME FORWARD? I'LL START WITH 13 . SHERIFF, UH, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON, SO YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE OF THE QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK, BUT I HAD SOME RESIDENTS, UH, REACH OUT TO ME AND JUST ASK ABOUT THIS NEW CONTRACT AND WHETHER OR NOT THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS OR THE YEAH, I GUESS IT'S THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS ARE, ARE PART OF THE BLUE LINE? NO, I'M SORRY. IT'S JUST THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS. THIS IS THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS. THIS IS STRICTLY SCHOOL ZONE. AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE CAMERAS WOULD HAVE THE FLOCKED CAP CAPABILITY, IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD THEY BE TRACKING EVERY VEHICLE THAT WENT BY? NO, THEY ONLY RECORD THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. JUST A DIFFERENT VENDOR WITH BETTER TECHNOLOGY, BUT THEY'RE ONLY TRACKING VEHICLES THAT EXCEED THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT BY 11 MILES PER HOUR IN THE SCHOOL ZONES. THERE'S NO OTHER DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU. SO A SHERIFF, I, YOU EXPLAINED TO ME THIS WAY BECAUSE I KNOW WE, WE GET THE FLOCK CAMERAS AND THE BLUE LINE CAMERA. THE BLUE, YEAH. BLUE LINE CAMERAS MIXED UP. SPEED. AND CAN YOU TALK TO, JUST KIND OF EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CAMERAS. FLOCK CAMERAS ARE THE APRS THAT TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS OF VEHICLES MOTION DETECTIVE AND STORED FOR 21 DAYS BY, BY LAW IN VIRGINIA, YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE CRIMINAL USED USE THEM. THERE'S LICENSE PLATE CAMERAS, RIGHT? CORRECT. THEY'RE LICENSE PLATE READERS. THAT'S ALL THEY ARE. AND IT, IT AND THE BLUE LINE SOLUTION IS THE SCHOOL RADAR CAMERAS FOR RADAR ENFORCEMENT. BUT ONE, ONE TAKES ALL, GETS ALL THE DMV INFO AND ONE DOESN'T, UH, THE FLOCK CAMERAS DO NOT DO DMV INFORMATION. NO. THE BLUE LINE ENDS UP THE BLUE LINE DOES PROVIDE US WITH THE REGISTERED OWNER'S REG INFORMATION FOR THE CITATIONS. YES. SO THE REASON I BRING THIS UP, BECAUSE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE FLOCK CAMERAS ARE REALLY USEFUL WHEN SOMEBODY, THERE'S A CRIME AND SOMEBODY GETS A LICENSE PLATE OR THERE'S THAT, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LICENSE PLATE THAT'S RELATED TO SOME CRIME AND IT JUST SAYS THERE'S A SYSTEM THAT GOES OUT THERE THAT ALL THE AGENCIES ARE USING THIS SAYS LOOK FOR THIS LICENSE PLATE, RIGHT? CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY IT DOES. AND THEN, SO WE'VE SOLVED MURDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT USING FLOCK CAMERAS. THEY'RE VERY USEFUL. WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT 38 NEW CAMERAS IN THE SYSTEM. RIGHT. THAT WE HAVE THAT'S GETTING READY TO, WE HAVE 32 CAMERAS IN YORK COUNTY RIGHT NOW. YES. RIGHT. WE'RE GETTING READY TO GET SIX MORE SOMEWHERE IN THERE. YES. AND THEN, AND THEN THE BLUE LINE CAMERA, THE BLUE LINE CAMERAS, UH, TAKE A PICTURE OF THE VEHICLE AND THE BLUE LINE RECORDS THE SPEEDING VEHICLES THROUGH SCHOOL ZONES. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU GET THE PICTURE AND THAT'S, THEN THAT'S WHERE IT'S RELATED TO THE SPEED, BUT NO LICENSE PLATE IT. WELL, IF THEY TAKE A PICTURE OF THE WHOLE VEHICLE, IT PROVIDES THE LICENSE OF THE BACK. IT PROVIDES THE [03:10:01] REGISTERED OWNER'S INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE A CITATION FOR SPEEDING. YES. AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE OF THE NEW KEN COUNTY, UM, USE OF THE, THE BLUE LINE CAMERAS OR TYPE BLUE LINE CAMERAS. CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE 50,000 CITATIONS THAT THEY'RE ISSUING, UH, A WEEK. 50,000 A WEEK. THAT JUST BLOWS ME AWAY. SO, BUT THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE, THE BLUE LINE CAMERAS NOT GONNA BE USING THE SAME CAPACITY AS A FLOCK CAMERAS. CORRECT. I CAN DO DIFFERENT THINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHERIFF. ARE IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WANTS TO PULL? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION. HOW ABOUT THE 16? DOES SHE HAVE ANOTHER ONE? I WE, 16 WE TALKING ABOUT 13 AUTHORITY. OKAY. SO, SO THIS IS A GRANT. I UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, SHERIFF, THIS IS GONNA BE BUT IS A SHERIFF. THIS IS GONNA BE A LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANT OF THE, UH, LET'S SEE. THE ACCEPTANCE OF A, UH, PORT SECURITY GRANT. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S GONNA BE RELATED TO THE SHERIFF. OKAY. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE FOR 460,000 NOW OF THAT. SO WE'RE GONNA END UP, YOU'RE GONNA END UP BUYING A BOAT. YES. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR A MARINE PATROL BOAT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. IT'S FEDERAL, IT'S A FEDERAL GRANT, A PORT SECURITY GRANT. AND THIS WOULD, WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOU FORMALLY ACCEPTING THOSE FUNDS. OKAY. DID, DID WE, SO I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, WHO DID WE GET A VOTE FOR LAST TIME WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. THAT WAS THE BIG VOTE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO NOW YOU GOT YOUR VOTE, RIGHT? OKAY. CORRECT. . SO, OKAY. I JUST, EVERYBODY HAS SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SORRY. SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THE MOTION MADE BY MR. OID IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED. MR. DRURY? YES. MR. ROH? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. HURO? YES. MRS. NOLL? YES. MOTION CARRIED. OKAY. [CLOSED MEETING] UH, THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS, BUT WE NOW NEED TO GO INTO CLOSE MEETING. MR. HURO IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 71. SORRY. 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND SECONDLY, UH, PERSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR, OR EXPANSIONS OF EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.23711 A FIVE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING TO DISCUSS A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. ROME? YES. MR. SHEPHERD? YES. MR. ROY? YES. MR. DRURY? YES. AND MRS. NOLL? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER, THEN THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE HELD AT 6:00 PM ON NOVEMBER 18TH IN THE BOARDROOM AT YOUR CALL. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.