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GOOD EVENING,[Call to Order]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, SO THIS MEETING, I'M CALLING TO ORDER AND THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
TONIGHT WE HAVE PASTOR BEN CLARK FROM THE WATERS EDGE CHURCH.
FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR THE GREAT COUNTRY IN WHICH WE LIVE.
GOD, THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM AND THE COUNTRY TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS AND OUR THOUGHTS.
AND GOD, TONIGHT, WE JUST, UH, LIFT UP THIS MEETING.
GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR YORK COUNTY.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE REPRESENTED.
WE THANK YOU FOR A GREAT PLACE THAT WE LIVE IN.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND OUR CHURCHES.
AND GOD, TONIGHT WE JUST ASK TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD GIVE, UH, THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THOSE INVOLVED TONIGHT, GOD WISDOM, AS YOUR WORD SAYS, THAT WHEN WE ASK WISDOM, YOU GIVE IT TO US.
AND SO TONIGHT, WE'RE ASKING FOR WISDOM FROM YOU AND GOD IN ALL.
THANKS TONIGHT, MAY THE NAME OF JESUS BE GLORIFIED AND HONORED.
UH, WILL YOU ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[1. Service Recognition: Present a service pin to Assistant Chief Joel C. Acree for his 35 years of service to York County.]
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.AND CHIEF RY, YOU WANNA COME FORWARD? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN, SUPERVISORS, MR. BELLA AND MR. HILL.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, CHIEF ACRY, HE'S BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT SINCE 1990.
HE HAS SERVED AS LIEUTENANT IN THE DEPARTMENT, CAPTAIN, EEMS SUPERVISOR IN HIS CAREER WITH US BATTALION CHIEF, AND CURRENTLY SERVES AS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
CHIEF AKER IS ALSO, UH, INVOLVED, UM, IN HIS HOMETOWN OF, UH, THE IOWA WHITE CARROLLTON SECTION.
HE SERVED AS THE VOLUNTEER FIRE CHIEF FOR MANY YEARS IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND OTHER ROLES IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND ALSO CURRENTLY SERVES ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR AL WHITE.
SO HE'S VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT, EITHER IN HERE AND IN AL WHITE.
PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, HE IS A HUSBAND, A FATHER, AND A GRANDFATHER.
THREE DAUGHTERS, A SON, ONE GRANDSON.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND ME SAYING, I UNDERSTAND THE RUMOR IS THAT THERE'S A, DON'T ALWAYS SAY IT MIGHT, HE MIGHT BE ANOTHER GRANDFATHER.
I MIGHT BE GRANDFATHER TIMES TWO.
SO, BUT AGAIN, CHIEF RY HASS BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT SINCE 1990 AND 35 YEARS.
WELL, SO 35 YEARS BETTER THAN I'VE DONE.
SO YOU DONE A LONG TIME TO GO.
AND IT JUST SHOWS YOUR DEDICATION TO THE JOB THAT YOU DO.
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING YOU SERVE FOR US.
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD.AND THE FIRST PERSON THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP IS, IS MARCY WOODY.
MARCY, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE? YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.
UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'VE LIVED AT 1 0 4 RICH ROAD SINCE JULY OF OH THREE, SO OVER 22 YEARS.
I AM HERE TONIGHT TO VOICE MY CONCERN AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF A PRIVACY FENCE OR A WALL BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE NEWLY, UM, BUILT DUNKING DONUTS.
UH, BACK IN MAY 25, MAY, 2025, I CALLED TO ASK WHAT TYPE OF BARRIER WOULD BE PLACED BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE SITE.
AND I WAS TOLD BY STAFF THAT THE PLAN WAS FOR MATURED TREES AND SHRUBS TO SERVE AS A BARRIER.
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I ALSO INQUIRED ABOUT A DUMPSTER AND WAS TOLD THE PROPERTY WAS TOO SMALL FOR ONE.UM, WE WOULD HAVE BINS WITH LIDS, BUT THE DUMPSTERS ACTUALLY BEEN PLACED OVER AT THE STRIP MALL NEXT TO US.
UM, AS CONSTRUCTION PROGRESSED, MY HUSBAND AND I BECAME INCREASINGLY CONCERNED ABOUT TWO ISSUES, PRIVACY AND DRAINAGE, UM, REGARDING DRAINAGE.
UM, I REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE PEOPLE, UM, SHEILA OLL, BEING ONE OF 'EM, BRIAN FULLER.
KAITLYN T UM, KAITLYN RESPONDED TO ASSURE THAT AN UNDERGROUND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HAD BEEN INSTALLED AND A RUNOFF SHOULD NOT IMPACT OUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO AS OF NOW, THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, AS FAR AS THE BARRIER, UM, I WAS TOLD, YOU KNOW, A SERIES OF TREES AND SHRUBS HAD BEEN PLANTED.
UM, I DID GIVE MS. NOEL SOME PICTURES, IF YOU'VE ALL BEEN ABLE TO SEE THEM.
WE HAVE ONE TREE, IT'S LIKE A SAPLING, AND THREE VERY SMALL BUSHES.
SO I WOULDN'T REALLY CALL THAT A SERIES OF TREES AND BUSHES.
THERE'S ZERO, HARDLY AT ALL, ANY PRIVACY AT ALL.
UM, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF MY 40 FOOT WIDE PARCEL, A ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS, A TRANSFER BUFFER WAS NOT REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.
THE REALITY IS THAT THIS, UM, THAT WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED IS NOT ANY PRIVACY.
UM, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT PROVIDING, UM, WITH SOME PICTURES AT NIGHT, SHOWING HOW THE LIGHTING, THE INSTALLATION WAS BEFORE IT WAS FIXED.
SHIELDS WERE NOT ORDERED, AND WE HAD TO SUFFER FOR IN A MONTH WITH OUR ENTIRE PROPERTY FACING GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY LIT UP LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD WITH THE LIGHT SHINING DIRECTLY THROUGH MY CHILDREN'S WINDOWS.
THIS WAS EVENTUALLY CORRECTED WHEN IT WAS FOUND OUT TO BE OUT OF ORDINANCE, BUT AFTER WE ENDURED WEEKS OF DISRUPTION, UM, I HAVE SHARED PHOTOS WITH YOU, LIKE I SAID, UM, FROM THE FRONT PORCH, AND NOW WE SEE EMPLOYEES SITTING IN THEIR CARS ON BREAK, UM, CUSTOMERS PASSING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, AND EVEN PEOPLE CUTTING ACROSS OUR LAWNS, WHICH WE HAVE SPENT A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS ON NEW CAMERA SYSTEMS. AND I HAVE VIDEOS OF THAT SHOWING THAT PEOPLE JUST CUTTING THROUGH OUR, OUR FRONT LAWN, FRONT PORCH AREA, ENTIRE AREA, UM, WALKING OVER TO THE STREET.
UM, AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
AND I INVITE EACH OF YOU TO COME TO OUR PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
I KNOW MS. NOEL GOES DOWN OUR STREET OFTEN, UM, BECAUSE SHE IS FRIENDS WITH MARY CLARK.
UM, BUT IN ASKING, I JUST ASK, IN CLOSING, I ASK THAT EACH OF YOU PLEASE SUPPORT AN INSULATION OF A EIGHT TO 10 FOOT PRIVACY WALL OR FENCE OR SOMETHING THEREOF.
NEXT PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP IS PAM EO.
UH, NAME IS PAM AU 1 0 3, KIMBERLY COURT.
YORKTOWN VIOLENCE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION TO STIFLE DISSENT.
FOUR FORMER PRESIDENTS AND MANY DEMOCRATIC ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE CONDEMNED THE MURDER OF CHARLIE KIRK, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY HAVE VEHEMENTLY DISAGREED WITH HIS VIOLENT AND DEROGATORY RHETORIC.
I HAVE SPENT DECADES FIGHTING AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE IN ANY FORM AND HAVE NEVER CELEBRATED THE DEATH OF ANY VICTIM.
WHAT I DID NOT REALIZE IS THAT THE DEATH OF KIRK WOULD BRING OUT THE CALL FOR RETRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF VIOLENCE IN POLARIZING HATEFUL SPEECH BY THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES MAGA.
I DID NOT REALIZE KIRK WAS THEIR MESSIAH.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MASS SHOOTERS ARE WHITE, HETEROSEXUAL MALES, AND YET, NOT ONCE HAS THE MEDIA REFERRED TO THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS AS HETEROSEXUAL, BUT IN THIS CASE, ARE OBSESSING ABOUT A TRANSSEXUAL PARTNER.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVEN TRANSGENDER SHOOTERS OUT OF 4,147 MASS SHOOTINGS, AND YET THEY ARE FALSELY CALLED OUT AS A PRIMARY PROBLEM.
TRUMP IS CALLING FOR ATTACKING ALL DEMOCRATS OR LIBTARD LEFT WINGERS.
THERE HAS BEEN VIOLENCE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, BUT ACCORDING TO FORMER TRUMP APPOINTED FBI DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER RAY, IN A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING, THE GREATEST PROBLEM WAS COMING FROM THE ULTRA RIGHT-WING GROUP, SUCH AS HOMEGROWN, MALICIOUS NEO-NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACY GROUPS.
TRUMP PARDONED OVER 1500 INSURRECTIONISTS WHO CAUSED THE DEATHS OF FIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND INJURIES TO 140 OF THEM.
THIS GROUP WOULD HAVE BEATEN TO DEATH THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IF THEY COULD HAVE FOUND THEM.
WHEN TRUMP SUPPORTERS CARRY OUT MURDERS, TRUMP REMAINED SILENT AS HE DID WHEN TWO MINNESOTA LEGISLATORS AND THEIR SPOUSES WERE SHOT AND TWO DIED.
TRUMP HAS NO PROBLEM WITH MASS SHOOTINGS SUCH AS THE PULSE NIGHTCLUB.
THE EL PASO WALMART, THEY WERE HISPANIC, THE TREE OF LIFE SYNAGOGUE, THEY WERE JEWISH.
THE BUFFALO GROCERY STORE AND CHARLESTON CHURCH, THEY WERE BLACK.
THE ARSON ATTACK ON GOVERNOR JOCK STEIN, OR
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WHEN SENATOR GABBY GIFFORDS WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD, THEY'RE DEMOCRATS.TRUMP REMAINED SILENT ON THE ATTEMPTED KIDNAPPING OF GOV GOVERNOR GRETCHEN WHITMER AND THE DEATH OF HEATHER HIER AT THE HANDS OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
HE DID NOT CALL OUT WHEN PIPE BOMBS WERE FOUND AT THE HOMES OF BIDEN AND OBAMA.
TRUMP MOCKED THE ATTACK ON NANCY PELOSI'S HUSBAND.
HE PRAISED ALEC JONES, WHO CALLED SANDY HOOK A HOAX, AND RUSH LIMBAUGH, WHO CALLED THOSE WHO SUPPORTED WOMEN'S RIGHTS FEM NAZIS.
WHEN DID TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRAGEDY OF ANY SCHOOL SHOOTING? WHEN THE NEO-NAZIS CAME TO THE YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD AND THE WHITE SUPREMACIST CAME TO THE TAB LIBRARY, OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TOLD US TO IGNORE THEM AND GO SHOPPING.
I WATCHED FORMER SHERIFF DANNY DIGGS DEPUTIES CARRY IN HATE LITERATURE FOR THE WHITE SUPREMACY GROUP.
JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER, ONE OF THOSE DISGUSTING HATE MONGERS ORDERED THE KILLING OF A JUDGE.
TRUMP IS WEAPONIZING KIRK'S MURDER TO DESTROY DISSENT.
AS A CULT LEADER, TRUMP IS ON A PSYCHOTIC POWER TRIP.
IT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO ANYONE TO SAY THE SHOOTING DEATHS OF CHILDREN OR DISSENTERS IS THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
JESUS SAID, PUT THE SWORD BACK INTO ITS PLACE FOR ALL WHO TAKE THE SWORD WILL PERISH BY THE SWORD.
STOP THE UNFETTERED, EASY ACCESS TO FIREARMS AND STOP TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN TO HATE.
AND JUST MAYBE OUR WORLD WOULD BE IN A BETTER PLACE, RIGHT OR LEFT.
IT IS A CORNERSTONE OF OUR DEMOCRACY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ALTHOUGH YOU'VE NOT SIGNED UP? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD,
[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS.[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
THANK YOU MRS. NOEL.UH, ON ASSUMING THE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER SEVEN AGENDA, THE STAFF WILL BE GOING OVER THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES BY THE END OF THIS WEEK.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND ANY EDITS, UH, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, THAT YOU SHARE THAT WITH MR. HILL OR MR. FULLER SO THAT WE'LL BE READY FOR THE OCTOBER 7TH WORK SESSION TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
AND, UH, ON SATURDAY FROM 10 TO 12, A GRAFT IN MIDDLE SCHOOL IS THE SIXTH ANNUAL BUG FEST PUT ON BY MOSQUITO CONTROL IN PUBLIC WORKS
SO SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE SOME, UH, CRAFTS AND HAVE SOME ACTIVITIES.
AND THERE'S A LOT TO BE LEARNED ABOUT ALL KINDS OF BUGS.
SOMETHING A LITTLE SLIGHTLY MORE CIVILIZED.
UH, OCTOBER 4TH, UH, SATURDAY HERE IN THE VILLAGE, UH, IS THE YORKTOWN WINE AND OYSTER FESTIVAL.
UH, SO YOU CAN GO DOWN THERE AND ENJOY SOME WINE THAT'S PAIRED WITH YOUR FAVORITE SEAFOOD.
SO WE HOPE YOU ALL WILL, UH, TAKE US UP ON THAT.
AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, MORE OF US BOARD OF, UH, OUR REQUEST.
UM, SPEAKER CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESS UP NEXT TO HER.
I ASSUME THAT WAS THE RESIDENCY SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO KNOW, UM, ON, NOT IN THIS MEETING, BUT, UH, HOW THAT OCCURS WHEN WE CONSIDER THOSE LITTLE SHRUBBERIES.
SOME OF THOSE BUSHES ARE NEVER GONNA GROW.
WELL, I WANT TO KNOW FROM THE STAFF MM-HMM
HOW SUCH ACTIONS LIKE THAT HAPPEN WHEN WE, WE PUT UP WALLS ON HIGHWAYS AND NOISE AND STUFF.
AND WE GET PERSONALLY RIGHT UP NEXT TO A BUSINESS.
I DON I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENED AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.
AND MR. BNY, UH, COULD YOU MENTION, UH, THIS SATURDAY'S EVENT, SEPTEMBER 20TH? I BELIEVE IT'S THIS WEEKEND.
THE, UH, WE, THE PEOPLE FESTIVAL? OH, SURE, SURE.
BRIAN, WOULD YOU MIND YOU THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT? I BELIEVE, I THINK I HAD IT RIGHT.
I'LL, I'LL ASK THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME THAT ARE MORE EXPERTS IF I MISS ANYTHING.
SO THIS SATURDAY IS WE THE PEOPLE.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DAY OUT HERE ON THE HISTORIC BATTLEFIELD, GIVEN THAT IT, HOPEFULLY IT DRIES AFTER WE GET ALL THIS RAIN.
BUT, UH, IT'S A COOPERATIVE EVENT BETWEEN THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WHRO AND YOUR COUNTY.
KEN BURNS, THE HORRIFIC FILMMAKER AND DOCUMENTARIAN, UH, HAS DONE A SERIES THAT'S GONNA START TO AIR THIS FALL IN NOVEMBER ON THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS SATURDAY, FROM THREE TILL ABOUT SEVEN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FESTIVE EVENT.
LOTS OF THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO, CELEBRATING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION OUT ON A NATIONAL HISTORIC BATTLEFIELD.
THEN WHEN GETS STARTED AT ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK,
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WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE 20 TO 20 MINUTES TO 30 MINUTES OF THAT SEGMENT THAT PERTAINS TO YORKTOWN.SO YOU'RE GONNA ACT, ACTUALLY SEE THE BATTLEFIELD DOCUMENTARY ON THE NATIONAL BATTLEFIELD WHERE IT HAPPENED, WHICH IS GONNA BE QUITE HISTORIC AND ONE OF A KIND TYPE OF THING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DONE ANYWHERE ELSE IN, IN THE NATION, BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF THINGS FOR KIDS TO DO, FAMILIES TO DO.
UH, IF YOU'VE CAME DOWN COOK ROAD, YOU WOULD'VE MAYBE DID A DOUBLE TAKE AND THOUGHT IT WAS THE 4TH OF JULY, BECAUSE WE SET UP ALL THE ORANGE BARRICADES AND CONES TO PARK IN THE BATTLEFIELD.
SO YOU'LL PARK IN THE BATTLEFIELD ON THE CORNER OF BALLARD AND COOK WHERE YOU DO ON THE 4TH OF JULY, AND JUST WALK ACROSS THE STREET TO, UH, BETWEEN READOUTS NINE AND 10 AND THE VICTORY CENTER.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROGRAM WILL BE.
THE, UH, US ARMY OLD GUARD IS GOING TO COME AND PERFORM, AND THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR FULL REGIMEN OF OVER 55, UH, FIFES AND DRUMMERS.
UH, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME THINGS WITH OUR YOUNG FIFES AND DRUM AS WELL.
SO, LOTS OF ACTIVITIES, SPY GAMES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO DO.
UH, WHEN YOU COME OUT, THERE'LL BE FOOD, TRUCKS AND FOOD.
AND THE WEATHER'S LOOKING GREAT.
SO, BRIAN, GIVEN WHAT THE WEATHER'S LIKE TODAY, UH, IS THERE ANY PLANS IF IT IS A WASH OUT? WE HAVE SOME PLANS, THE WEATHER FORECAST, SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO STOP RAINING TOMORROW.
THAT'LL GIVE US THREE DAYS TO DRY.
UM, WE CAN ALWAYS FIX GRASS IF WE NEED TO.
UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WE'VE BEEN TOLD, ALL THE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE BATTLEFIELD, ALL THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT, UH, ITEMS ARE TWO FEET IN THE GROUND.
UH, FOR ALL THE YEARS WE'VE PARKED ON IT, WE'VE MAYBE COMPACTED SIX INCHES, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
BUT WE DO HAVE SOME RAIN PLANS, UH, TO SHRINK THE EVENT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND USE THE HARD SURFACE PARKING IN THE VILLAGE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, BRIAN.
UH, DOUG, I HAD NOTHING MORE FOR WAYNE.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO, TO SAY? OH, I'M SORRY FOR MATTERS BEFORE MY BOARD MATTERS TO THE BOARD? YES.SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, THIS PAST WEEK WAS VERY TRAGIC IN OUR COUNTRY.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE NEEDS TO BE CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF ANYBODY.
I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE THAT YOU'RE ON.
UM, IT GRIEVES MY HEART, UM, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED BECAUSE WE DISAGREE WITH SOMEBODY'S POLITICAL VIEWS.
UM, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON PRINCIPLES, AND THOSE PRINCIPLES DON'T USE GUNS TO DEBATE.
AND SO, UM, I JUST THINK THAT WE ALL NEED TO REFLECT ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE FREE IN THIS COUNTRY.
AND THAT'S A FREEDOM OF SPEECH, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT SIDE OF THE AISLE YOU ARE ON POLITICALLY.
SO MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE CHARLIE KIRK FAMILY AND ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS AFFECTED BY THAT, AND ALSO THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S BEEN ACCUSED OF HIS MURDER.
AND, UM, I, I, I PRAY HE FINDS JESUS IN ALL OF THIS.
SO IT'S JUST VERY SAD THAT OUR COUNTRY IS GOING THROUGH THIS.
UH, AND I THINK WE NEED, UM, REVIVAL ACROSS OUR COUNTRY TO LOVE OUR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THEIR VIEWS OR VALUES.
UH, WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL, AND WE SHOULD TRY TO ACT LIKE THAT.
I'M SURE I HAD ONE ITEM, UH, MR. MR. BELLAMY, UH, SOME TIME BACK.
WE, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A STUDY ON OUR RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS, PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICT ONE, AND GETTING A BASELINE COMPARISON OF THE, UH, NUMBER OF ROOM NIGHTS, ET CETERA.
AND THE, AND THE AMOUNT, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF FOOD SALES.
AND I JUST REMIND US, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON COMPLETION OF H-T-R-F-A AND WE'LL, AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN MANY WEEKENDS BOOKED BY INCOMING SPORTS TEAMS. I, I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THAT COMPARISON.
JUST A REMINDER THAT WE, WE REALLY OUGHT TO PULL THAT TOGETHER BEFORE, UM, BEFORE GOES TOO MUCH FURTHER.
SO YES, LIKE MR. DREWRY WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT WEEK.
UM, I, I DIDN'T KNOW MR. KIRK KNEW OF MR. KIRK HEARD HIS, HEARD SOME OF HIS SPEECHES.
I I MUST BE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT ON SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE THE VARIOUS ALGORITHMS WOULD, WOULD SHOW ME, UM, SNIPPETS FROM HIS PODCAST AND, AND DEBATES AND SO FORTH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOMEBODY THERE WHO WAS VERY INTELLIGENT, UH, VERY WELL INFORMED, VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND HAD A GREAT, UM, ABILITY TO DEBATE, REALLY A GENERATIONAL TALENT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
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HAVE HIM REMOVED FROM US IN THE MANNER HE DID SO PUBLICLY AND SO VIOLENTLY.LIKE MS. DREW SAID THIS, THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE AS A NATION.
WE CAN'T PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION, WE CAN'T DEBATE, WE CAN'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS.
WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH THOSE OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS.
WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA AGREE THAT'S OKAY, BUT WE OUGHT BE ABLE TO TALK.
AT LEAST MAYBE WE TALK ANGRILY, BUT WE OUGHT BE ABLE TO TALK.
AND ALSO, WE OUGHT BE ABLE TO FEEL LIKE WE CAN GO BE SAFE TO GET ON A BUS AND RIDE SOMEWHERE HOME AFTER WORKING ALL DAY AND NOT GET ATTACKED FROM BEHIND.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO GET CORRECTED.
I'M GLAD I LIVE HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
'CAUSE YORK COUNTY IS SQUARED AWAY.
IF WE CAN BE AN EXAMPLE ELSEWHERE, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
BUT WE GOTTA GET, WE, WE GOTTA GET BETTER AS A, AS A COUNTRY, AS A COMMUNITY, AS A NATIONWIDE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE IT LIKE THIS.
THERE, THERE IS THE ALTERNATIVE TO NOT GETTING IT RIGHT, TO NOT GETTING BETTER IS HORRIFIC.
AND NONE OF US WANTS TO LIVE THROUGH THAT.
SO I HOPE EVERYBODY REFLECTS, THINKS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, AND FIND A WAY WE INDIVIDUALLY, PERSONALLY, WE CAN ALL DO BETTER.
SHE, THANK YES, TOM, BY THE WAY, GOT MY CHANCE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TIED TO WHAT HE WAS JUST SAYING, UM, AND YOU'VE HEARD THIS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE INFLUENCE, THE RADICALIZATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
NOW, AS AN OLD GUY GROWING UP IN THAT AGE, SOCIAL MEDIA WAS A PHONE CALL.
YOU GO DOWN TO THE MCDONALD'S, HANG OUT OR WHATEVER, SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S A MILLION YEARS AGO.
BUT THE POINT IN THIS IS THAT, UM, I SEE THAT WITH MY GRANDKIDS.
I SEE THAT WITH A LOT OF, EVEN ADULTS I HANG OUT WITH, UM, IF, UH, IN FACT, MY DAUGHTER RESTRICTS MY GRANDKIDS, ONE'S 13, DOESN'T HAVE A CELL, DOESN'T HAVE A PHONE, AND RESTRICTS WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT COMPUTERS THEY CAN GET ON AND WHAT THEY LOOK AT.
UM, 10-YEAR-OLD GETS NONE OF THAT.
AND I, BUT I WATCH, UH, FRIENDS OF MINE, UM, UH, WHEN, UH, CHARLIE KIRK WAS ANNOUNCED THAT HE HAD ASSASSINATED, BOY, THEY HAD THE PHONES OUT AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FACEBOOK AND YOU NAME IT, SNAPCHAT.
AND THEY SHOWED LIVE PICTURES OF ASSASSINATION.
AND, AND I MEAN, IT WAS JUST A BUZZ.
AND THE, THE, THE REACTION FROM ADULTS WHO SOME OF 'EM WERE RETIRED WATCHING THIS WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS VISCERAL, BUT IT WAS VISCERAL IN A SENSE THAT THERE WAS THIS, THIS PRECIPITATED THE SENSE OF HATE.
HOW COULD IT BE CALM IN THAT SITUATION? BUT THE POINT WAS, I WAS WATCHING THE REACTION TO THE, THE SOCIAL NETWORK, AND IT HAS, IT HAS CONTINUED, UH, TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON PEOPLE, HOW THEY THINK.
NOW, I TAKE THAT OVER TO, UH, TO TELEVISION.
UH, IF YOU SIT IN FRONT OF A TELEVISION AND YOU PICK YOUR FAVORITE CHANNEL OUT, AND THEY HAVE A BIAS TOWARDS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'LL REACH A POINT WHERE THAT'S HAVING THE SAME EFFECT.
AND I HAVE TO, I, A LOT OF TIMES I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET UP OUT OF THE ROOM, AND I JUST CAN'T STAND, LISTEN TO THIS STUFF ANYMORE.
AND I'LL GO SIT ON THE PORCH AND WATCH THE BIRDS AND THE DEER AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST TO GET AWAY FROM IT.
SO WE AS ADULTS GOT TO BE AWARE OF OUR SITUATION.
AND YOU HAVE TO ALSO BE AWARE OF PEOPLE AROUND YOU, AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO 'EM, GIVES YOU A CLUE OF ANY POTENTIAL DANGER THAT MIGHT BE AROUND.
WE'RE ALL HAVING TO WATCH OUT NOW.
UH, THERE'S NO LAWS THAT ARE GONNA PROTECT YOU AGAINST THIS.
IT'S THAT YOU JUST NEED TO BE, PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR SURROUNDINGS.
AND THOSE SURROUNDINGS CAN INVOLVE YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE.
YOU, UH, YOU JUST, YOU NEVER EXPECT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A SAD, IT'S A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS PEOPLE ARE MAKING ABOUT THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IN OUR SOCIETY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEBATE AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEBATE, UH, WITH RESPECT.
UM, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK.
THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH IDEAS.
THAT'S HOW OUR COUNTRY CAME ABOUT.
ALTHOUGH IT DID COME ABOUT WITH VIOLENCE INVOLVED, BUT IT'S STILL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE'VE GOTTA BE, WE GOTTA BE VERY, VERY, UH, SENSITIVE TO, UH, THE RESPECT, THE INTEGRITY, UM, AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT STUFF.
NOW, ON THE, ANOTHER SUBJECT, I, IT WAS, THIS IS, THIS WAS KIND OF REALLY INTERESTING.
SO I HAD TO DO A, I DID A RIBBON CUTTING THIS, UH, THIS WEEK.
GOSH, IT'S ALREADY ONLY A COUPLE DAYS.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, IT WAS CALLED THE, THE, UH, COIN.
IT'S CALLED COIN COLONIAL COIN SHOP.
OKAY? IT'S UP IN WILLIAMSBURG AND, UM, IN ADDRESS 66 10 MOTOWN ROAD.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS, THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
BUT, BUT, UH, I'VE ALWAYS COLLECTED COINS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HERE AND THERE.
AND, UM, AND THESE PEOPLE, UH, THEY REALLY KNOW THEIR STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO COINS.
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AND THE LAYOUT IS VERY OPENING AND, AND, UH, WELCOMING.AND, UH, SO I WENT IN THERE AND I JUST KIND OF CASUALLY STARTED.
I WANTED, I MEAN, I'VE COLLECTED SOME COINS THAT ARE PRETTY RARE, AND THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY OLD ANCIENT COINS.
AND SO I JUST ASKED, UH, I SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S COLONIAL COINS? YEAH, WE DO.
AND, UH, AND IN THAT, IN THAT, I ENDED UP BUYING TWO COINS
ONE WAS, UH, ONE WAS A, UH, 1723 HALF PENNY.
AND ANOTHER WAS ABOUT THAT SAME TIME, 1775, HALF PENNY.
NOW THESE HALF PENNIES WERE WORTH HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS.
SO THE, THE INFLATION HAD TAKEN OVER
BUT MAN, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, YOU OWNING A PIECE, IT JUST HOLDING THAT COIN, IT JUST GAVE ME CHILLS BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, I'M HOLDING THE PIECE OF OUR COLONIAL HISTORY RIGHT THERE WITH THE, I MEAN, AND THEY WERE NOT PRISTINE.
THEY'RE WORN, BUT THEY'RE STILL, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE THERE.
IT JUST FELT SO, IT JUST FELT SO SPIRITUAL, IF YOU WILL.
UM, SO I INVITE YOU, UH, TO GO UP THERE IF YOU HAVE COINS OR STUFF YOU WANNA LOOK AT, JUST, YOU KNOW, MOM, GRANDMA, GREAT, GRANDMA, WHATEVER.
GRANDPA GAVE YOU SOME, YOUR PARENTS GAVE YOU COINS.
THEY WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
THEY'LL TELL YOU THE VALUE INSTEAD OF YOU SITTING THERE GUESSING, UH, ON THIS STUFF.
BUT IT'S JUST INTERESTING TO SEE THIS OPERATION.
UM, SO I, I WAS, IT WAS REALLY DIFFERENT FOR ME.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
I COULDN'T MAKE IT TO THAT ONE, AND I COULD MAKE IT EASIER, BUT I'M A STAMP COLLECTOR, SO IT PROBABLY DID MORE FOR YOU.
UM, I THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I GO BACK TO THE VERY OLD SAYING THAT I THINK WE HEARD AS CHILDREN DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU.
AND I THINK WE'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK BEFORE WE SPEAK, THINK BEFORE WE ACT AND LISTEN BEFORE WE TALK.
AND MAYBE THIS WILL BE A BETTER WORLD.
BUT FORTUNATELY, YORK COUNTY IS SPECIAL, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM HERE.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT PROBLEM HERE.
SO I THINK, UH, IF WE NEED TO REFLECT ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND VOW THAT IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE EVER AGAIN.
I KNOW, BUT BETTER TO BE WISHFUL THINKING THAN NOT THINKING.
I HAD A LETTER THAT CAME TO ME IN THE MAIL FROM PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE FIREWORKS LAST 4TH OF JULY, AND THEY WERE UPSET BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN THE FIREWORKS BECAUSE SUDDENLY THEY STOPPED AND PEOPLE STARTED TO LEAVE AND LEAVING, AND THEN THE FIREWORKS CAME BACK ON AGAIN.
AND THEY THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE VERY DANGEROUS.
AND THE PROBLEM WAS, I, I TALKED TO STAFF THAT HANDLED THE FIREWORKS LAST YEAR AND, AND FOUND OUT THERE WAS AN ELECTRONIC FAILURE IN THE FIREWORKS.
BUT IT'S BEEN, IT WAS RECOGNIZED.
AND I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF COMPENSATION BECAUSE THE FACT THAT IT DIDN'T COME OFF AS IT SHOULD.
AND I THINK THIS YEAR IT'S GONNA BE BETTER THAN EVER.
AND I THINK IT'LL BE GUARANTEED THAT THEY WILL GO THROUGH COMPLETELY.
SO, I HOPE MANY OF YOU DO ENJOY THE FIREWORKS.
THE 4TH OF JULY INDEPENDENCE DAY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US.
OKAY, PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE'LL START PUBLIC HEARINGS.
LET'S SEE, WHAT TIME IS IT? OOPS, ABOUT 30 MINUTES FROM NOW.
AH, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN THROUGH IT.
WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
WAIT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? CONSENT CALENDAR.
WHAT? JUMP TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
CALENDAR.THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UH, NUMBER NINE IS TO PARTICIPATE IN NATIONWIDE SETTLEMENT OF OPIOIDS.
UH, THAT'S A PROPOSED RESOLUTION, R 25 DASH 1 43, APPROVING THE COUNTY'S PARTI PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENTS OF OPIOID RELATED CLAIMS AGAINST SEVERAL DRUG COMPANIES.
NUMBER 10 IS PROCUREMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ANALYTICS PLATFORM.
CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 27 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO TAKE ALL NECESSARY ACTIONS TO PURCHASE LAW ENFORCEMENT, ANALYTIC TECHNOLOGY, SOFTWARE, AND INTERFACE PLATFORMS. NUMBER 11, QUEENS LAKE SPILLWAY IMPROVEMENT AND DAM REHABILITATION.
CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 11 42 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO CONDUCT CONTRACT WITH HOWARD BROTHERS CONTRACTOR FOR THE QUEENS LAKE SPILLWAY
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IMPROVEMENTS AND DAM REHABILITATION PROJECT.UH, NUMBER 12 IS ESTABLISHING A FORMAL STRUCTURE FOR PROGRAM GOVERNANCE.
AND THAT IS PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 29.
DOES ANYBODY CARE TO TO PULL ANY TO TALK ABOUT THEM? NUMBER 10 PLEASE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANOTHER ONE? IF NOT, LET'S TALK ABOUT NUMBER 10.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE, UH, HEAD START.
UH, YOU, YOU WANT 12? I'LL JUST COMMENT ON IT.
SO WHO, WHO'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ANALYTICS PLATFORM? MA'AM SHERIFF IS HERE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS IS A SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW, PRIMARILY THAT DOES OUR FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM.
CURRENTLY, WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS WE HAVE SEVERAL SILOS OF, OF FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNTS OF INFORMATION IN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY ON MY SIDE, ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THAT COLLECT A LOT OF DATA THAT DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE THE RMS SYSTEM, WHICH IS A REPORT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT WE HAD FOR 22 YEARS, UH, BEFORE WE CONVERTED TO MOTOROLA'S RMS SYSTEM IN DECEMBER OF 2023.
WE'VE HAD THAT ONE SINCE THEN.
AND THE CAD, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S COME INTO CAD OVER ALL OF THESE YEARS.
THEN WE HAVE THE FLOCK CAMERAS THEMSELVES, WE HAVE THE AXON BODY CAMERAS, AND WE HAVE THE INCAR VIDEOS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CAMERAS DOWN ON THE WATERFRONT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ACCESS TO.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS SOFTWARE WILL DO IS IT'LL SIT DOWN ON TOP OF ALL OF THESE SILOS OF INFORMATION AND PULL ALL OF THIS DATA TOGETHER RATHER QUICKLY.
WE'VE SEEN DEMONSTRATIONS OF THIS AND IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND IT'S, IN SOME PLACES IT'S HAD SOME FAIRLY DRAMATIC RESULTS AS FAR AS SOLVING CRIME.
A LOT SIMPLER, A WHOLE LOT FASTER.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE WORKING A CRIME AND MR. STEVEN WAS THE SUSPECT, WE COULD TYPE HIS NAME INTO THE SEARCH ENGINE WITH THIS BLOCK OF MM-HMM
OF SOFTWARE THAT SITS DOWN ON TOP.
AND ALL OF THOSE PLACES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED, THE OLD 22 YEARS WORTH OF DATA, THE NEW RMS SYSTEM, THE CAD BODY CAMERA, ANYTIME HIS NAME WAS MENTIONED, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE PULLED TOGETHER IN ONE SPECIFIC PLACE VERY QUICKLY.
SO THAT INVESTIGATORS AND DEPUTIES, IF THEY'RE WORKING CRIMES, WILL HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE WITHIN A MATTER OF SECONDS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETIMES DAYS.
TO, TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION.
SO THIS IN INFO, THIS SYSTEM WAS, UH, JUST DISCOVERED BY US RECENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY WAS AFTER, UH, THE BUDGET.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO WITH YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT IT'S A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND IT WILL CERTAINLY, UH, ENHANCE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ABILITY TO SOLVE CRIME MUCH QUICKER AND MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY IF WE PURCHASE THIS SYSTEM.
THANK, THANK YOU SHERIFF MONTGOMERY.
AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO INTEGRATE THOSE DISCREET DATA SOURCES TOGETHER AS IN A SINGULAR INTERFACE SO YOU CAN PULL DATA LIKE YOU NEED QUICKLY.
MY QUESTION WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN A THREE YEAR CONTRACT, AND THEN, AND THAT CONTRACT INCLUDES INTERFACE DEVELOPMENT, I'M ASSUMING BY THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF WHATEVER COMPANY THAT WE EN ENGAGE WITH.
IS THAT INTERFACE, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT INTERFACE DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE THREE YEARS OR JUST THE INITIAL SETUP? BECAUSE JUST COME PULLING ON PRIOR EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF.
I KNOW AS TIME GOES ON, YOU FIND NEW WAYS YOU WANT DATA PULLED AND HOW TO INTEGRATE IN INTERFACE WITH THE SYSTEM.
AND I'M HOPING THE CONTRACT COVERS THAT DEVELOPMENT ALL THREE YEARS AND NOT JUST THE INITIAL START.
YES, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DONE BY MOTOROLA.
I'M SORRY, I JUMPED IN FRONT OF YOU THERE, SHERIFF.
I, I JUST KNEW FROM HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. HALL THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
SO WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THEM WHENEVER, WELL, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THEM WHENEVER THEY SEE A NEED FOR A CHANGE.
WELL, THE DATA THAT I JUST DESCRIBED IS THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A, A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA GO ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THE, THE BEAUTY OF THIS COMPANY IS THE OTHER SOFTWARE MODULES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S BEEN A VISION OF, OF MINE FOR A WHILE TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED LIVE 9 1 1 THAT GOD FORBID WE HAD AN ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENT SOMEWHERE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
THIS SYSTEM WOULD ALLOW DEPUTIES THAT ARE IN THE FIELD TO HEAR THE CALL SIMULTANEOUSLY AS IT COMES INTO THE 9 1 1 CENTER, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT A NOTE, A CALL TAKER HAS TO TAKE THE CALL, SEND IT OVER TO A DISPATCHER.
SOMETIMES THAT CAN SAVE MINUTES, AND THEN SOMETIMES ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATIONS.
THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS AS WELL.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA INTERFACE WITH THE CAD SYSTEM DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S GONNA ENHANCE THEIR ABILITIES AS WELL.
SO THIS IS A, A FAIRLY LARGE PROJECT.
IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE, I'M GUESSING
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MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT THIS MAYBE AS MUCH AS A YEAR.BUT THE INITIAL PORTION OF IT THAT I DESCRIBED, PULLING IN ALL OF THAT DATA FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE THE FIRST PHASE.
AND IT COULD HAPPEN WITHIN A MATTER OF 60 TO 90 DAYS.
ALRIGHT, SHERIFF, IF I HAD ONE QUESTION, UH, YOU'VE ADDED THE, UH, THE, THE FUNDING WILL COME THROUGH ASSET FORFEITURE, UH, BUDGET.
AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER THIS, THAT MAKES IT A, UH, REV.
SHOULD THIS BE R 25 DASH 1 27 R? WHERE'S THE, IT'S THE LAST, WHAT DID YOU SAY AT THE END? WELL, SHOULD IT BE A REV UH, REVISION TO THE ORIGINAL? OH, I DID.
WE'VE ADDED THE FUNDING SOURCE AS THE, UH, ASSET FORFEITURE.
SO WHAT ARE WE, OKAY, SO IN, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S CHANGING? IS IT A CHANGING IT TO OR FROM A, A REVENUE SOURCE? I MEAN, IT'S CHANGING TWO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THERE.
SEE IT ON THIS ONE? WELL, I IT IS THE OH, OKAY.
IS IT, UH, IS THERE SUSPICION FUNDS IN THE, IN THE ASSET FORTI FUND? THERE IS, BUT THAT WAS, I'M GONNA DEFER THAT QUESTION TO MR. BELLAMY THAT WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IF I, IF I COULD JUST CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROGRAM.
I, I, I'M SURE MOVING FORWARD, BUT IT'S NOT AN, IT IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
IT IS A NEED THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IMPROVE FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I WONDERED WHY IT COULD NOT BE IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
WELL, IN SOME WAYS I IS THAT WAY YOU WOULD'VE TO TOUCH THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE NOW, IN SOME WAYS I WOULD DISAGREE THAT IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEED BECAUSE THESE INVESTIGATIONS, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE THREE SOURCES OF DATA ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY CAN BE EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
AND THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS THAT WE WOULD NOW BE ABLE TO SOLVE MAJOR CRIMES, BURGLARIES, RAPES, ROBBERIES, MURDERS MUCH FASTER.
AND, AND THE STATISTICS FROM AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THIS SOFTWARE SHOW THAT, SO I WOULD SAY FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THAT THE FASTER WE CAN SOLVE THESE CRIMES AND PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL, THE LESS LIKELY IT IS THAT THEY'LL BE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND DO ADDITIONAL CRIMES.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY NECESSARY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR SOFTWARE TODAY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT COMING OUT OF THE ASSET FOR, FOR YOUR FUNDING THEN? IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES, YES MA'AM.
AND WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR THAT.
BUT SHEILA, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE TIED TO THIS IS IT WAS, AS IT WAS STATED RIGHT UP FRONT, I THINK THAT, UH, SHERIFF SAID IT WAS THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT AT THE TIME.
NOW YOU, NOW YOU'RE MAKING THE REQUEST.
340,000 AND THAT'S THIS YEAR'S FUNDING.
THREE YEARS? NO, THAT'S A THREE YEAR THREE.
SO, SO NORMALLY THAT WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN IN THE CIP SOMEWHERE.
SO, SO I GUESS IT'S NOT, THE ONE QUESTION LOOKING AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IS, I KNOW IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT COMPARED TO THE TOTAL BUDGET, BUT I ASSUME WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE, WE HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDS TO COVER THIS REQUEST.
OUT OF, OUT OF THE ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY, UM, WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE.
WELL, THERE'S NO, IS THERE ASSET, UH, FOR, THERE'S A NUMBER NOW THAT'S A GOOD USE FOR THE MONEY, BUT IS THAT BEING DONE NOW? DO WHAT I MEAN, OKAY.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FORFEITURE FUNDS, IF YOU WILL, UM, OTHER THAN PAYING FOR THE, OR THE PART WE HAVE THROUGH THE FLOCK CAMERA AND HOW THAT IS BEING USED TO DISTRIBUTE, UH, REVENUE FOR VARIOUS PROGRAMS, RIGHT? I MEAN, NO FLOCK CAMERAS ARE NOT REVENUE GENERATING THE SCHOOL RE SCHOOL RADAR CAMERAS TO DO THAT.
FLOCK CAMERAS ARE THE LICENSE PLATE.
SO IS THAT ALL, IS THIS ALL GOING TO THAT SAME PILE AMONG, UH, SAME FUND? IF, IF, BECAUSE WHAT SHEILA'S ASKING ABOUT THE FORFEITURE ASSETS OR, YOU KNOW, ARE, IS THAT GONNA FUND THIS? WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM THEN? WELL, ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS COME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, FROM THE STATE.
WHEN WE TAKE DRUG ASSETS IN THEY'RE MONETARY OR REAL ESTATE FROM THEM, AND THEN THE PROCEEDS ARE FORFEITED TO US.
THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S THERE, BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU ROUTINELY PLAN TO HAVE.
WE, IT'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T SAY LONG TERM AND SEND OF ONE CHOICE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE, IT'S NOT LIKE THE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL, UH, SPEEDING REVENUE.
THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, I, I WAS, YES.
I WAS TRYING NOT TO, UH, BE RUDE AGAIN.
AND PLEASE DO JUMP IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY.
UH, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, AND I'LL ASK MR. HILL TO CONFIRM THIS.
THE RESOLUTION IS THE SAME RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE APPROVING.
THE MEMO WAS CHANGED FOR, THIS IS A SECOND VERSION OF IT.
SO IT'S REALLY THE RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE APPROVING.
I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED SOMEONE OTHER THAN MYSELF TO SAY THAT
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON NUMBER 12? NUMBER 12? YES.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, PLEASE DO.
THROUGH THE BUDGET FOR THE HEAD START PROGRAM.
I'M QUITE INVOLVED WITH THAT GROUP.
AND, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, VERY THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE, OF THE BUDGET FOR HEAD START AND HEAD.
THIS IS A YEARLY REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO COME FORWARD FOR APPROVAL.
AND I'M JUST PLEASED TO, UH, SUPPORT THEM IN THAT EFFORT.
MR. HO, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS ARE THERE NOW THIS YEAR? I THINK IT'S 88.
AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S OUR THRESHOLD? THAT'S IT.
THAT'S, I SAID WE WERE PUTTING MAX.
REACHED THE MAX THE LAST TWO YEARS.
WOULD ANYBODY CARE TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? I'LL MOVE IT.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
I THINK, UH, PUBLIC HEARING STARTS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
WE'LL BE BACK IN ABOUT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
NO, WELL GOING INVITE YOU TO IT.
I'LL FORWARD THE INVITE SO YOU CAN GET IT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
OH, DID YOU SEND IT TO ME? I'LL DO IT RIGHT NOW.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING WILL COME BACK TO ORDER.
[2. Application No. ZT-211-25, York County Planning Commission. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-21 to approve amendments to the Recreation Area Standards within Section 24.1-361, PDR – Planned Development-Residential District, and Section 24.1-361.1, PDMU-Planned Development Mixed Use District, and also approving amendments to Section 24.1-402, Standards for Open Space Development (Cluster Techniques), York County Zoning Ordinance, York County Code. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Memorandum from the County Administrator dated August 5, 2025 c. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-21]
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE IS APPLICATION, UH, I'M GONNA FORGET THAT ONE.CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 21 TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO THE RECREATION AREA STANDARDS WITHIN ANOTHER SECTION.
AND I SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT IT TONIGHT.
I'M COMING OFF A LITTLE COLD SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE RASPY.
SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT BEFORE YOU TALK.
I WANNA SAY I'M SO SORRY THAT, THAT YOU'RE LEAVING US.
YOU HAVE DONE A SUPER JOB WHY YOU'VE BEEN HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS BEHIND IT BECAUSE THE COMMUTE IS SO LONG.
BUT PLEASE COME BACK ANYTIME THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE COMING OFF, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM YOUR AUGUST MEETING.
THIS WAS KIND OF A DUAL PART TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO WHAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED WAS AMENDING THE RECREATION REQUIREMENTS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AND THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR CLUSTER SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.
FOLLOWING LAST MEETING, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE BOARD WAS THERE WAS GENERAL CONCURRENCE ABOUT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR RECREATION REQUIREMENTS FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
WHAT WAS SOUGHT WAS A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD CHANGES, FIRST CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEN SPECIFIC QUESTIONS REGARDING PARKING IN TERMS OF THE GROSS ACREAGE PROPOSAL, WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES DID, WHAT DID WE STUDY, AND OTHER DATA.
SO I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT, WHICH WAS ALSO IN YOUR READ AHEAD.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA JUST ROUND OUT WITH A CONCLUSION AND WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS.
SO JUST AS A LITTLE REFRESHER, I WANNA SHOW AGAIN JUST ANOTHER VISUAL OF A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT AND A CONVENTIONAL.
SO THIS IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION RIGHT ACROSS 64.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE OPEN SPACE AND THEN THE LOTS WHICH ARE CLUSTERED KAYLYN BEFORE YOU WHEN IN YOUR DISCUSSION ON THIS AND DESCRIPTION MM-HMM
AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT HAS KIND OF LIKE ANOTHER COUPLE, COUPLE CATEGORIES UNDERNEATH IT.
LIKE A, A PLANNED PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR, OR YOU KNOW.
UM, CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT IS JUST THE TECHNIQUE FOR A TYPE OF SUBDIVISION.
SO IT ISN'T, UM, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THOUGH.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD REZONE INTO.
YEAH, SO WE DON'T, UNDER THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, WE DON'T REZONE NOT TO USE THE TECHNIQUE.
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DO IF YOU HAVE LIKE A BUY RIGHT.
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, YOU CAN DO THIS.
AND THEN HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE GREEN, YOU PROBABLY SEE QUEENS LAKE HERE AND THEN ROYAL CALL THEM.
THESE ARE CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION.
YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IT'S JUST STREET AND PARENT PARCEL BROKEN UP, NO COMMON AREA AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION.
SO BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY TO START OUR DRAFT AMENDMENTS AND TAKE THOSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION A STAFF, WE DID A COUPLE OF THINGS.
'CAUSE THIS WAS KIND OF A BIG LOOK AT THIS PIECE OF CODE AND ANALYSIS OF, OKAY, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE IN LOOKING AT THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS? SO A COUPLE THINGS WE DID WHEN PREPARING THE DRAFT, WE RAN A SPATIAL ANALYSIS.
AND THIS WAS AGAIN GOING BACK TO THAT GROSS ACREAGE QUESTION.
WELL, OKAY, WHERE ARE THE PARCELS IN THE COUNTY THAT
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ARE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 ACRES OR MORE THAN 10 ACRES LOOKING AT LOWER AND UPPER COUNTY? AND THOSE MAPS WERE PROVIDED IN YOUR READ AHEAD IN AUGUST.UM, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THEM.
I HAVE THEM AS PRESENTATION AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, DOING THAT SPATIAL ANALYSIS, OKAY, WHERE'S THE ACTUAL PARCELS THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO THIS? LOOKING AT PAST CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, WE WOULD JUST WANNA KIND OF LOOK AT AGAIN 'CAUSE WE ALSO HAD SOME MIGRATION COMPONENTS.
BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE ITEMS OF, OKAY, WELL HOW WERE THESE DEVELOPED SINCE THE MID NINETIES? WHAT WAS THE COMMON FORM, COMMON ACREAGE, COMMON OPEN SPACE, JUST TO GET A GOOD GRIP OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT COULD WE LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD? AND THEN LOOKING AT OTHER LOCALITIES.
AND I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT PIECE HERE.
SO WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES.
WE LOOKED AT BOTH CITIES AND COUNTIES.
WE LOOKED NEAR US AND WE ALSO LOOKED A BIT IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE STATE.
AND YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THEIR ACTUAL ORDINANCES IS REALLY ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE IT IN THEIR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, SOME PLACES IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
BUT COMMON THINGS WERE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE OF THE CORE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS, OKAY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING THE GROSS ACREAGE IN WHICH YOU CAN EMPLOY CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AS A DEVELOPMENT TECHNIQUE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT MINIMUM GROSS ACREAGE FROM 10 TO FIVE ACRES ON OUR NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM ACREAGE? WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? AND SO I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW.
WE LOOKED AT JAMES CITY COUNTY, GLOUCESTER, CITY OF FRANKLIN, SUFFOLK AND RECO COUNTY.
AND WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS JAMES CITY AND FRANKLIN BOTH REQUIRE FIVE MINIMUM MAKERS.
GLOUCESTER AND RECO DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM.
THAT'S SPELLED OUT EXPLICITLY IN THEIR STANDARDS THAT THEY REQUIRE FOR CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AT THE NORTH END AND NORTHWESTERN COUNTIES.
CULPEPPER COUNTY IS SHENANDOAH.
SHENANDOAH ACTUALLY HAD A RANGE FROM FIVE TO 32 ACRES MINIMUM JUST DEPENDS ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.
COLE PEPPER IS FIVE MINIMUM ACRES.
AND LOUDOUN DID NOT HAVE A MINIMUM ACREAGE.
SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS GROSS ACREAGE QUESTION.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A TOPIC THAT KIND OF CIRCULATED LAST MEETING.
AND THIS DIDN'T REALLY, THE IDEA FOR THIS DIDN'T ORIGINATE IN A VACUUM.
IT KIND OF COMES FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENT.
AND THE DISCUSSION HERE WAS LARGE TRACKS OF LAND IN THE COUNTY FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ARE BECOMING LESS.
EITHER THEY'RE GETTING BUILT OUT OR THEY'RE BEING CONSERVED OR THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIALLY TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.
WHAT IS THE TECHNIQUE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT? AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS IS, AGAIN, REDUCING THE GROSS ACREAGE FROM 10 TO FIVE FOR CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TO PROMOTE MORE OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION WHEN DOING YOUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER PIECE OF DATA I MENTIONED, THAT'S SPATIAL ANALYSIS.
AND THESE MAPS, THE HARD COPIES WERE IN YOUR AUGUST PACKET.
I WANNA BRING THEM UP HERE JUST TO KINDA SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
WE LOOKED AT OCCUPIED AND VACANT PARCELS OVER FIVE ACRES.
WHAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THESE MAPS ARE PROPERTIES THAT WERE OWNED BY THE PARK SERVICE OWNED BY THE CITIES OF NEWPORT NEWS OR WILLIAMSBURG FOR WATERSHED.
YOU'LL NOTICE ARE PARCELS WAY UP HERE IN BAY TREE BEACH AROUND THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE DEVELOPED RIGHT UP HERE.
THINGS THAT WERE ALSO IN PERPETUAL CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
SO THEY'RE OWNED BY THE BATTLEFIELD TRUST OR THEY'RE CONSERVED FOR NATURE.
THINGS LIKE THAT, WERE NOT INCLUDED.
SO THESE ARE REALLY PARCELS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED.
AND WE DID BOTH OCCUPIED AND VACANT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A HOME ON SAY A 10 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU COULD SUBDIVIDE THAT.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING BOTH SETS OF DATA HERE.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS WAS ON ITS FACE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE TABLE THAT WAS IN YOUR AUGUST READ AHEAD, IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF PARCELS.
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE GEOMETRY OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, THERE WERE OVER FIVE ACRES.
THEY'RE REALLY LONG AND SKINNY.
SO JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, OR MY KIND OF HOVERING MY CURSOR HERE, UNLESS ALL THESE HOMEOWNERS ALL DECIDED AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE ALL GONNA SELL OUR HOUSES TO THE SAME GUY AND HAVE IT BE DEVELOPED, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING YOU COULDN'T DO THAT.
IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THESE INDIVIDUALLY ON THEIR OWN WOULD BE DEVELOPED AS CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS.
THE GEOMETRY DOESN'T WORK THE SAME WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
AGAIN, THE GROSS ACREAGE OF THE THING IS OVER FIVE OR 10, BUT IT'S SHAPED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THAT TECHNIQUE IS NOT VIABLE.
SO ARE THEY VIABLE THOUGH, FOR ANY A TRADITIONAL, UM, LIKE A FAMILY SUBDIVISION OR TRADITIONAL SUB SUBDIVISION? SOME OF THEM FOR TRADITIONAL, POSSIBLY NOT FOR ANY SUBDIVISION.
YOU DO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 50 IF TO DIVIDE.
AND SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAVE A PERSONAL, AGAIN, LONG AND SKINNY AND THE FRONTAGE OF IT IS ON DARE ROAD, BUT IT'S ONLY MAYBE 60 FEET WIDE.
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PUT IN A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IF YOU'RE GONNA CREATE NEW LOTS.AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE LOT RESULTING.
SO SOME OF THEM BE, THEY'RE JUST NARROW AND THEY CAN'T SUPPORT HAVING A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND YOU NEED THAT EVEN FOR CON CONVENTIONAL SUBDIVISION
SO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE THAT YOU WERE HIGHLIGHTING ARE REALLY, SOMEBODY COULD PUT THEIR OWN HOME UP THERE, BUT THAT'S IT.
SO THEY WOULD, BUT I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DOWN IN THE THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE SIZE OF A LOT.
I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, ARE WE, ARE WE, COULD WE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE LIKE 20 FEET BETWEEN A HOUSE.
BUT YOU COULD HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S NOT, MAYBE IT COULD ONLY BE LIKE 1500 SQUARE FEET, 1300 SQUARE FEET.
SO I'M LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
RIGHT? SO THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE STRIP WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON IT WHERE THE, THE, UH, HOUSING TE DOESN'T TAKE UP.
IT COULD BE THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES FOR FIVE ACRES, BUT THEY'RE JUST ARE SMALLER HOUSES.
AND YOU POSSIBLY COULD, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT'S ALWAYS REQUIRED IS AGAIN, THAT 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND YOU DO HAVE SOME MINIMUM DIMENSIONS.
THE 30 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, YOU MENTIONED THAT.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A LOT OF LOTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LOWER COUNTY THAT ARE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE KIND OF CUT UP A LITTLE ODDLY AND THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO BE DIVIDED AGAIN BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT WORK.
SO WE DID THIS SPATIAL ANALYSIS FOR THE UPPER COUNTY TOO.
YOU SEE THERE'S A BIT MORE LARGER TRACKS UP HERE.
I WANNA POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE SAME THING AGAIN, WEIRD.
JUST CALL THEM STRIP LOTS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON OUR SCREEN WHILE YOU WERE TALKING.
CAN CAN WE GET IT ON THE CAMERA? CAMERA NEEDS TO PUT THE MAP UP.
OUR AV GUYS NEED TO MOVE IT UP TO THE SCREEN HERE.
I MIGHT GO BACK THERE AND RATTLE OUR CAGE.
NOW WE GOT NOTHING
SO THEY'RE ALMOST ALL 10 TO 49 ACRES.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE OF THAT MAP, SAME, THERE'S THE, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S MORE, AS YOU PROBABLY ARE WELL AWARE, A PREPONDERANCE OF LARGER PARCELS.
I WILL SAY WHAT SAY DIFFERENT WOULD RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT UP IN THE UPPER COUNTY IS THE UTILITIES LACK OF PUBLIC SEWER OR PUBLIC WATER.
YOU CAN'T USE, YOU CAN'T DO CLUSTER SUBDIVISION IF YOU HAVE A WELL OR SEPTIC OR BOTH.
IT'S NOT, YOU HAVE A MINIMUM IT'S AN ACRE TO TWO ACRES.
SO THAT'S GONNA PRECLUDE AND IF THEY, UNTIL THOSE AREAS EVER GOT PUBLIC WATER OR SEWER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DEVELOP IN THAT MANNER.
YEAH, THAT WAS JUST MY LITTLE ZOOM IN, BUT OH GOOD.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED LAST MEETING ABOUT PARKING AND A CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT PARKING IN CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE YARD, WHICH AGAIN, THE MINIMUM'S 30 FEET AND THEN YOU, WE HAVE A DEFACTO SIDE YARD.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10 FEET OR 20 FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS.
SO YOU GET A 10 FOOT SIDE YARD OUT OF THAT.
WHAT WE NOTICED AS STAFF, AND I'LL HAVE A COUPLE PHOTOS HERE JUST TO SHARE, IS THAT PARKING TENDS NOT TO BE, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, WE'VE SEEN A PROBLEM IN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE BY, RIGHT? SO THIS IS FROM FOXWOOD.
I WANTED TO SHOW PICTURES OF JUST LOTS OF DIFFERENT SIZES AND DRIVEWAYS OF DIFFERENT SIZES.
THIS IS FROM WALLER MILL HEIGHTS.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CARS PARKED THERE AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND THIS ONE'S FROM SHERWOOD FOREST.
AGAIN, TRYING TO SHOW WHERE THE CARS ARE SITTING ON THE LOTS.
AND SO WHAT WE SEE IN AGAIN, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IS THAT THE DEPTH OF THE YARD, THE SIDE YARDS, AND THE FACT THAT THESE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC STREETS THAT ARE BUILT TO BE OUT STANDARD TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, TEND NOT TO HAVE PARKING ISSUES.
WHERE WE DID SEE THE ISSUES IS IN THE MULTIFAMILY, THE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENTS, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT REALLY DROVE THE EFFORT IN JULY TO AMEND THE PARKING.
WHERE YOU CAN'T COUNT THE GARAGE AS A PARKING SPACE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SPACES THAT ARE ON THE DRIVEWAY AT A MINIMUM.
AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE THAT EFFORT WAS THE ISSUES WE HAD WITH THE TOWNHOUSES.
DO WE FIND OUT, DO WE SEE IT IN THE TOWNHOUSES? THEY, THEY HAVE A HOA IF THEY HAVE, WELL IF THEY, THEY HAVE A MANDATORY HOA IF THEY HAVE SOME IN COMMON, IF THEY HAVE COMMON GROUNDS.
BUT, UH, DO THEY, UH, DO MOST OF THEM HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON PARKING? I MEAN, I, I DON'T EVEN HOW THEY COULD APPLY IT, BUT, 'CAUSE I MEAN I'M IN AN HOA THAT THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK IT ON THE STREET.
WELL WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OLD ARGUMENT WHO OWNS THE STREET NOW? THE STATE VERSUS THE OA.
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IF SO, IF THEY'RE PRIVATE STREETS THAT THE HOA CONTROLS VERSUS PUBLIC STR, EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC STREETS.AND IN THE CASE OF PUBLIC STREETS, THAT'S VDOT.
SO UNLESS IF THE STREET IS WIDE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING PER VDOT STANDARD, NOW THEY DO HAVE THE PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR A SECONDARY NOTE PARKING RESTRICTION.
SO THERE'S A PROCESS TO DO THAT IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.
WHERE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD CONSIDER THAT WE'VE DONE THAT.
UM, BUT ON SECONDARY PUBLIC HIGHWAYS, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT, BUT IN OUR TOWNHOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, UM, COMMUNITIES WHO OWNS THE STREETS MOSTLY? IS THAT VDOT? IT DEPENDS.
WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE PUBLIC STREETS.
WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE ENTIRELY PRIVATE STREETS.
IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK ONLY ONE IN MY DISTRICT HAS, UH, PRIVATE STREETS IT NEEDS TO BE SITTING WITH.
CAITLIN? UH, I HAD A QUESTION.
UH, YEAH, IT WAS REGARDING FENTON MILL.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALLOWED CLUSTERING THERE.
A LOT OF THE LOTS ARE 0.1 ACRES OR LESS.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR DRIVEWAYS IN THAT LOCATION? IS IT THE DOUBLE WIDTH DRIVEWAY THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THEY'RE GOING TO NEED? YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT PARKING STANDARD WHERE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE OFF STREET PARKING, THE TWO SPACES OFF STREET.
AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S GOTTA BE BIG ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
IS THAT DETACHED? THEY'RE DETACHED.
DETACHED HOME, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU COULD TOUCH YOUR NEIGHBOR.
SO THAT COMES BACK TO MY ACTUAL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S, UH, WHAT DO YOU LIKE, IT'S LIKE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU IN, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY REZONING INTO IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS WHEN I SEE THESE, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S TWO TERMS WE COULD USE FOR THIS.
THERE'S ONE AND I COME UNDER PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF SOME TYPE.
WHAT'S, WELL, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A REZONING REQUEST FOR PDMU PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THAT WAS THE ONLY MIXED USE THAT WAS TURNED DOWN.
SO THEY WENT WITH BUYRIGHT ON RESIDE ON RURAL RESIDENTIAL, SO IT'S ONE PER ACRE.
BUT NOW THEY'VE APPLIED CLUSTERING TO PUT ALL THOSE HOUSES CLOSER TOGETHER TO PROVIDE MORE GREEN SPACE BUT, BUT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE AS HIGH AS 10 HOUSES PER ACRE.
IT DEPENDS HOW IT ZONED, BUT, WELL, YEAH.
PPD, UM, SO ONE OF, IT'S A CLUSTER DISCUSSION, SO I WAS, I WAS KIND OF PUTTING IT ALL ZONING PERSPECTIVE, ZEROING IN ON THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE FOR CLUSTERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT AGAIN, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T HAVE AN INHERENT, I'LL JUST SAY GROSS ACREAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT NECESSARILY.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE HAS THE GROSS ACREAGE.
AND AGAIN, THE DENSITY IS TIED TO THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IF IT'S ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S ONE, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF HOUSES.
CONVENTIONAL OR CLUSTER, NO, YOU CAN'T GET MORE HOUSES OUT OF A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION THAN YOU CAN A CONVENTIONAL.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO, YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, GIVE US MORE DETAILS ON THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS IN A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS IS GREEN SPACE.
THE REQUIRED RECREATIONAL SPACE.
GET, HIGHLIGHT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PLEASE.
SO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS, 40% OF THE GROSS ACREAGE HAS TO BE RESERVED, IS COMMON OPEN SPACE AT A MINIMUM.
AND PART OF THAT TOTAL OPEN AREA, YOU ALSO HAVE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED.
AND SO WE ARE TWEAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A BIT PRESCRIPTIVE IN THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND AND A PICNIC BENCH AND A FIELD.
WHAT OUR DISCUSSION WAS WAS, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE LOWERING THE GROSS ACRE, YOU HAVE MUCH SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS OF FIVE OR SIX LOTS, YOU KNOW, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS, CAN THEY SUPPORT THOSE AMENITIES? AND SO WE TWEAKED THE LANGUAGE TO KIND OF REFLECT AND BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE ACTIVE AND PASSIVE LANGUAGE WITH THE SUGGESTED AMENITIES, LESS PRESCRIPTIVE AND OFFERING FLEXIBILITY FOR DEVELOPMENTS OF DIFFERENT SIZES AND WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GIVE WITH A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IN A NORMAL DEVELOPMENT.
CONVENTIONAL DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE OPEN SPACE OR RECREATION COMPONENTS.
AND THE LAST THING, YOU TOUCHED UPON IT JUST A MINUTE AGO, BUT I WANNA MAKE PERFECTLY CLEAR, THAT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT'S 10 ACRES OR FIVE ACRES THRESHOLD, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, DOES NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT'S CORRECT.
SO JUST RECRE DECREASING FROM 10 TO FIVE, STILL THE SAME NUMBER OF HOMES.
WE WOULD NOT INCREASE IN THAT.
SO IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO A MARKET DRIVEN DECISION ON THE DEVELOPER'S.
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WHETHER THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN FOR A, A REGULAR PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS OR CLUSTER FOR CUSTOMERS WHO MAY, UH, PREFER THAT.SO IT GET, IT GETS TO BE MORE MARKET DRIVEN, BUT WE DON'T END UP WITH, WITH MORE HOUSES ON THE SAME PIECE OF LAND, SO, OKAY.
BUT WHEN WE DO, IT'S USUALLY A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THE TIE OVER AND IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING.
BUT LIKE SMITH FARMS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD TO COME IN FOR A REZONING.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TO START OFF WITH, BUT THEY CAME, THEY CAME IN AND THEY HAD A REZONING TO GET MORE HOUSES PER ACRE.
'CAUSE WE DID PUT MORE HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY.
WELL THEY, YEAH, THEY REZONED TO R 20, WHICH IS A MORE DENSE ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU HAVE MORE HOUSES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOW A MORE DENSE ZONING DISTRICT.
THEY REZONED INTO THAT THE MECHANISM OF WHICH OF THE DEVELOPING IS TECHNICALLY BY.
THEY CAME IN FOR A REZONING TO REZONED OUR 20 MORE DENSE.
BUT DID THEY, DID THEY, SO WHEN THEY GOT THE REZONING, DID THEY THEN GO TO A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT? THEY CHOSE TO DO CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS? YES.
THIS IS WHERE, I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY AND YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS BY HEART, BUT WE DON'T.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE CATEGORY CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, USE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE, ALL THESE THINGS.
DENSITIES AND REZONINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING IT STRAIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ARE YOU
A LOT OF IT'S ACTUALLY JUST CLARIFYING FORMATTING OR PIECES OF LANGUAGE THAT WEREN'T VERY CLEAR AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A BIT MORE CLEAR OR READABLE.
AND THEN UPDATING A FEW THINGS JUST BECAUSE LAND USE PATTERN, YOU KNOW, PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT, CHANGE NEEDS CHANGE, MARKET CONDITIONS CHANGE, AS MR. BROWN REFERRED TO.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REFLECT THOSE EFFORTS HERE.
UM, QUICK REFRESHER PLANNING COMMISSION DID CONSIDER THIS AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOUR ZERO WITH ONE ABSTAINING.
AND SO WE HAVE ORDINANCE 25 21 BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
UM, I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW, AND I HAVE AT HAMILTON SIGNED UP.
AT HAMILTON, I AM ALEXANDER HAMILTON, UH, 100 POUNDS.
CHASE, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA
AND YES, UH, WAS NAMED AFTER ALEXANDER HAMILTON.
I'M MO I'M UP HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.
I'M THE ONE THAT THAT, THAT MRS NO TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WITH THE PROJECT.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING.
WE'VE GOT 9.3 ACRES, WHICH IS JUST UNDER THE 10 ACRES.
AND JUST LIKE CAITLYN SAID, THE PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE, BOTH OF 'EM PASSED AWAY.
THEIR FAMILIES DON'T REALLY WANNA SELL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO WE ARE KIND OF STUCK AND WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNLESS WE DO, UNLESS THIS, THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO HAVE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
UH, RON STRUBLE, 2 0 5 SHADY LEFT POINT, UM, WILLIAMSBURG, THAT'S IN YORK COUNTY, ACTUALLY, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I ALSO HEARD ABOUT KAITLYN DEPARTING TONIGHT.
AND, UH, I'M REALLY SAD TO HEAR THAT.
UH, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNICATION IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED WITH KAITLYN AND EARL IN THE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN PHENOMENALLY IMPROVED.
AND AS A RESULT, I THINK IN A LOT OF MORE, UM, COHESIVENESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
AND I APPRECIATE, CAITLIN, WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND, UM, SOMETIMES THE, THE BOARD CAN BE TOUGH AND YOU'RE JUST AS TOUGH UP HERE.
I HATE THAT TAKES MY THREE MINUTES, BUT I WON'T GO THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
UM, I TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE AND I, I, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE TO LIKE, UH, 98% OF IT, UH, I BELIEVE IS GREAT.
AND I HELD UP A, UM, THE PICTURE OF, UH, TRANQUILITY IN THAT BUFFER ISSUE.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'LL BE CORRECTED IN THIS ORDINANCE.
UH, SO THAT CORRECTED A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA CORRECT THE PROBLEM.
WHAT I'M HEARING HERE, THOUGH, ON THIS FIVE ACRE TO 10 ACRE, I'M JUST SITTING HERE THINKING, WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE FIXING HERE IN THIS REDUCTION DOWN TO FIVE? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRYING
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TO PASS A, A CHANGE, SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THE ORDINANCE THAT COULD OPEN UP ADDITIONAL CLUSTERING, SO TO SPEAK, UM, UH, IN ORDER TO FIX ONE SITUATION, PERHAPS.COULD THAT SITUATION NOT BE FIXED WITH A REZONING OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING OTHER THAN CHANGING THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THIS? UH, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
AND THE SECOND THING, AND I MAY HAVE MISHEARD KAITLYN WHEN SHE SAID THIS, BUT IF SOMEONE HAS NINE ACRES AND THEY HAVE A SMALL HOUSE ON IT, DO THEY THEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT HOUSE OFF OF THERE AND THEN PUT A WHOLE BUNCH MORE HOUSES ON? IN THE CLUSTER CONCEPT? YOU SAY NO, BUT I, I DON'T, I THINK I HEARD THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT ACCURATE.
THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WITH A SMALL HOUSE COULD TEAR DOWN THEIR HOUSE AND USE THAT NINE ACRES AND PUT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT ARE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING ABOUT MY, YOU KNOW, MR. REFERENCING MADE THE HYPOTHETICAL OF I COULD HAVE A OCCUPIED PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S NINE ACRES AND LET'S SAY IT'S OWNED RURAL RESIDENTIAL, I COULD CHOOSE TO TEAR DOWN MY HOUSE AND SUBDIVIDE IT CONVENTIONALLY MM-HMM
BECAUSE THE ZONING DISTRICT I'M IN BY RIGHT.
SO WHAT THE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT DOES IS GIVES YOU AN OPTION OF INSTEAD OF DOING IT CONVENTIONAL, WHERE EACH LOT IS OF SIZE AND THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN CLUSTER AND DO OPEN SPACE.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION ADEQUATELY, BUT NO ADDITIONAL, NO ADDITIONAL HOUSING OVER WHAT THE MM-HMM.
CODE ALLOWS OR THE ZONING AREA ALLOWS? NO.
SO, SO IN THAT SCENARIO, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A HOME ON IT.
YOU COULD BE ONE ACRE, IT COULD BE 20 ACRES, BUT THEY COULD STILL SUBDIVIDE IT TODAY MM-HMM
SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S REAL RESIDENTIAL, THAT MEANS THEY COULD PUT UP TO 20 HOMES ON THAT, ON THAT 20 ACRES.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN COME BACK FOR A REZONING.
IF, IF IT'S R ONE, THEN PUT YOU 20 HOUSES UP THAT WAY WHEN THE COUNTY HAS DONE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHEN YOU'VE DONE THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE LOT AND HOW MANY HOMES YOU WOULD PUT ON IT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY PUT ONE HOME ON IT OR THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT THEY'RE, THEY COULD DO ON IT.
YOU FIGURED THE DENSITY COULD BE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, THE DENSITY IS THERE, WHETHER IT BE ONE HOUSE OR FIVE HOUSES YOU'VE ALREADY ACCOMMODATED FOR THE DENSITY.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THIS ON OUR LAND USE MAP, WE HAVE THE AREAS WHERE WE SAY IT'S LOW.
LOW DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
CAITLIN, YOU HAD GIVEN US A TABLE THAT SHOWED THE NUMBER OF, UH, LOTS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, BENEFIT FROM CLUSTERING AND, AND IF I JUST PICKED THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING, THERE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED BETWEEN VACANT AND OR OCCUPIED LOTS.
BUT THE COMMENT YOU MADE EARLIER WAS THAT UTILITIES AREN'T PROVIDED FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF THESE MM-HMM
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE FOR HOW MANY OF THAT LIST OF A HUNDRED COULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED? IS IT 50, IS IT FOUR 30? I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DRILL DOWN THAT FAR INTO BEING ABLE TO PARSE OUT IN THE GIS, WHICH HAD LIKE PUBLIC WELL IN SEWER SUPER COMPREHENSIVELY.
AND THERE'S OTHER FACTORS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL, RIGHT? OR DOES IT ALL WETLANDS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I CAN PRODUCE THAT FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, I DIDN'T DRILL DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THOUGH.
THAT WAS LIKE JUST THE HIGH LEVEL.
ROUGH GROVE SACRED, 50 OF THEM WERE IN WILLIAMSBURG.
SO DISTRICT ONE AND STRIKES ME THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF THAT GROUP WOULD BE INELIGIBLE.
SO IF YOU HAD PUBLIC SEWER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU'RE ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM, THAT DRIVES THE DENSITY OF YOUR HOUSES ALSO.
SO IF YOU ARE ON ANY KIND OF, LIKE, IF YOU'RE ON, WELL, PUBLIC OR SEPTIC, OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE, MY POINT BEING, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SEWER OR WATER, YOU CAN'T DO CLUSTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE REALLY LARGE LOT SIZES.
'CAUSE YOU NEED THAT FOR A SEPTIC TANK.
SO YOU CAN'T USE CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.
I I THOUGHT IT USED TO BE RESTRICTED TO WHAT, UH, ONE ACRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I REMEMBER WHEN DANDY BE TWO ACRES RIGHT.
BUT IT, IT REQUIRE WHEN DANDY GOT IT SEWER, THEN, THEN THAT ALLOWED FOR GREATER DENSITY OF THE HOUSING.
UM, ONE, ONE QUESTION ON, UM, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS AFFECT THE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
WOULD IT? SOME, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONE HOUSE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE DENSITY OR ANYTHING.
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YOU.IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS SUBJECT? IF NOT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WELL, I'LL MOVE IT.
BUT I, I JUST WANNA SAY TO THE STAFF I THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL, IF YOU, IF YOU READ THROUGH THIS THING, THIS WAS OKAY.
IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT OF STUFF.
UH, THE ORDINANCE, UH, 25 DASH 21 HAS BEEN MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 21 TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED.
[3. Application No. UP-1054-25, Jaclyn Marks. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution No. 25-144 to authorize fortune-telling services at 7812 George Washington Memorial Highway. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Excerpts from the draft minutes of August 13, 2025, Planning Commission Meeting c. Proposed Resolution R25-144 ]
THE NEXT APPLICATION IS TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION, UH, 25 DASH 1 44 TO AUTHORIZE FORTUNE TELLING SERVICES AT 78 12, UH, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.AND WHO IS PRESENTING IT? HI, MY NAME'S MADISON SCAF.
I'M THE NEW PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DIVISION.
YOU, SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT.
NOW THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS TO SPEAK UP.
SO THIS APPLICATION, UH, SUBMITTED BY JACQUELINE MARKS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE FORTUNE TELLEN SERVICES AT 7 8 1 2 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND IS DESIGNATED GP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NORTH OF THE PROPERTY IS THE YORK ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH AND THE FUTURE CLUBHOUSE FOR YORKTOWN CRESCENT.
BOTH ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT EAST IS AN UNDEVELOPED, UH, LOT PROPOSED FOR 43 ADDITIONAL TOWNHOUSES FOR YORKTOWN CRESCENT ZONED PD SOUTH IS AN UNDEVELOPED LOT ZONE GB AND WEST OF THE SITE ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS PROPERTY ZONE GB, WHERE JAY AND K HEATING AND COOLING IS LOCATED.
THE SITE CONSISTS OF A 3.8 ACRE PARCEL CONTAINING TWO BUILDINGS WITH DIFFERENT BUSINESS USES.
THE SOUTHERLY BUILDING CONTAINS THE ARMY NAVY TATTOO SHOP AND THE NORTHERLY BUILDING HOUSES THE APPLICANT'S PSYCHIC CHAKRA SHOP IN A VACANT RETAIL UNIT.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE A PSYCHIC CHAKRA SHOP.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT A PSYCHIC CHAKRA SHOP IS, IT'S A BUSINESS THAT OFFERS SERVICES SUCH AS PSYCHIC READINGS THROUGH TAROT CARD READINGS OR MEDIUM SHIP, UH, AND CHAKRA BALANCING, WHICH IS A SPIRITUAL HEALING PRACTICE FOCUSED ON ALIGNING THE BODY'S ENERGY CENTERS.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER A BUSINESS LICENSE SINCE 2021.
THAT ALLOWS FOR THE SALE OF RETAIL CANDLES, STONES, JEWELRY, CLOTHING, AND SERVICES FOR CHAKRA HEALING SESSION.
A RECENT SITE VISIT FOUND THE ADDITION OF FORTUNE TELLING SERVICES, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THIS REQUEST IS TO, THIS REQUEST SEEKS TO BRING THE BUSINESS INTO ZONING COMPLIANCE.
THE SERVICES OFFERED INCLUDE CHAKRA BALANCING PSYCHIC READINGS, TERRA CARD READINGS, MEDITATION SUPPORT, SPIRITUAL LIFE COACHING, AND REIKI ENERGY HEALING.
THE SHOP IS ALSO OFFERING RETAIL SALES OF METAPHYSICAL ITEMS SUCH AS CRYSTALS, INCENSE, CANDLES, AND NATURAL WELLNESS PRODUCTS.
THE BUSINESS OPERATES BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.
THE PROPOSED BUSINESS OFFERS A UNIQUE SERVICE TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND SUPPORTS THE COUNTY'S BROADER GOALS OF ENCOURAGING SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, THUS ALIGNING THE COUNTY'S VISION OF WELCOMING ENTREPRENEURIAL ACTIVITY VIA THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUSINESS SLASH PROFESSIONAL SERVICE IS A MINIMUM OF ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE PER 350 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREAS AND ONE OFF STREET LOADING SPACE.
THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS OCCUPIES APPROXIMATELY 480 SQUARE FEET, THUS RESULTING IN A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF TWO PARKING SPACES.
TO COMPLY WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO STRIPE THE PARKING AREA TO INCLUDE FIVE STANDARD SPACES IN ONE HANDICAP SPACE.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY COMPLETED THIS PROCESS.
AS FOR THE SIGNAGE, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN APPROVED UNDER THE PREVIOUS PERMIT IS NO LONGER IN USE, AND THE CURRENT SIGNAGE
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HAS NOT BEEN FORMALLY APPROVED.TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COUNTY'S PERMITTING PROCEDURES, A NEW SIGN PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE EXISTING SIGN FACE.
SO IN CONCLUSION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A PSYCHIC CHAKRA SHOP THAT WILL BRING THE OWNER INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL INCLUDE THE OWNER OBTAINING AN UPDATED BUSINESS LICENSE THAT INCLUDES THE FORTUNE TELLING SERVICES OFFERED STRIPING OF PARKING SPACES, AND OBTAINING A SIGNED FACE CHANGE PERMIT FOR THE CURRENT SIGNED DESIGN.
DUE TO THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 44, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SIX TO ZERO FOR APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY ASK.
SO WHAT REQUIRES THE SPECIAL USE? YES.
SO THE ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR FORTUNE TELLING SERVICES IF THEY, FOR FORTUNE TELLING SERIOUSLY? YES.
UH, SO THEY'RE NOT SELLING, NOT SELLING, WHAT IS IT? THE TAROT CARD OR NO SELLING, WHAT IS IT? PIPES OR INCENSE.
OR INCENSE OR ANY DRUGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE THAT'S LEGAL, BUT NO, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT SELLING ADULT TOYS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF, RIGHT? NOT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
SO ARE, IS PSYCHIC READINGS, IS THAT A ALSO CONSIDERED A, COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A HOME-BASED BUSINESS
SO I MEAN THIS, THERE'S, IT COULD BE, BUT IT'S NOT.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO ME IS IT'S, IS THE APPLICANT NUISANCE HERE? YES.
WOULD SHE CARE TO COME SPEAK? OF COURSE.
NOW YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
HI JACQUELINE MARKS, HOW ARE YOU? FINE, THANK YOU.
WELL, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? TOM? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THIS IS, THIS RISES TO THE LEVEL OF A SPECIAL USE.
IT WAS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE THE, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT DOING VOODOO OR NO KIND OF STUFF DOWN LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
OH, FOR UM, STAFF OR THE YEAH, FOR STAFF? NO, FOR STAFF.
UM, SO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR FORTUNE TELLING, BUT THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO RE REQUIREMENTS TO, FOR SIGNAGE.
AND WHAT WAS, YOU HAD THREE BULLET POINTS A MINUTE AGO.
SO THOSE ARE, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE TO BE MET FOLLOWING THEIR APPROVAL.
SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANY OF THAT.
WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE SIGNAGE, THE CURRENT SIGNAGE, IS THAT IN COMPLIANT WITH, WITH THE CODE, WITH THE WAY THOSE LIGHTS ARE? OR DOES THAT SIGN HAVE TO CHANGE?
ISN'T THAT GENERAL ARGUMENT? THEY, THEY, I THINK THEY GOT A NEW, THEY HAVE TO DO A NEW, NEW SIGN.
HAVE WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
A SIGN FACE CHANGE PERMIT IS ONE OF THE THREE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED IT.
UM, SO THEY GOTTA PUT A PERMIT IN FOR THE CHANGE THAT THEY ALREADY DID.
BUT I'M ASKING, IS THE CURRENT SIGN THAT THEY HAVE UP NOW THAT THEY'RE ASKING TO GET A PERMIT FOR, IS THAT, IS THAT SIGN COMPLIANT? SO SINCE IT'S A PREEXISTING CHI CHINA, EXCUSE ME, SIGN
THE, THE STRUCTURE'S KIND OF GRANDFATHERED IN A SENSE.
SO, SO IT'S REALLY ONLY WHEN YOU LIKE, TAKE THE FOUNDATION DOWN.
THEN YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
ANYBODY CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT.
I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING TO BRING IN A TOWERS MONK TO, UH, HAVE YOU TO, UH, ADDRESS A, A GHOST IN THE BUILDING ISSUE.
AND, UH, AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND THE GHOST DISAPPEARED.
SO I, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS
DID YOU GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO THAT? I HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL HOT WORK PERMIT FOR THE CANDLES.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 44 TO AUTHORIZE FORTUNE TELLING SERVICES AT 7 8 1 2 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
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CARRIED.[4. Application No. ST-026-25 and ZT-212-25, York County Planning Commission, Housekeeping Amendments 2025. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 25-25 to amend Chapter 20.5, Subdivisions, and Chapter 24.1 of the Code of York County. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Excerpts from the August 13, 2025 Planning Commission Meeting c. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-25]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.UH, CAITLIN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITHOUT YOU? WE'RE GONNA GET ALL WE CAN FROM YOU TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE ANOTHER BATCH OF HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UH, YOU MIGHT RECALL WE DID THIS LAST YEAR AROUND THIS TIME, AND WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT SOME SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION AND ZONING ORDINANCE AND UPDATING SOME THINGS, ADDING A NEW USE, DOING SOME HOUSEKEEPING IF YOU WILL.
I'M GONNA START WITH CHAPTER 25.
THAT'S WHERE OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS.
WHEN BUDGET WAS BEING DONE THIS YEAR, THERE WERE SOME NEW FEES.
SOME OF THOSE NEW FEES WERE FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES, PHASE ONE, TWO, OR THREE STUDIES.
'CAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES DOES NOT REVIEW THOSE ANYMORE.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPER SUBMITS ONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO A CONSULTANT.
SO THE DEPOSIT FOR THE PHASE ONE, TWO, OR THREE STUDIES WERE TO COVER THOSE COSTS.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUPPLEMENTS TO FACE STUDIES THAT WE RECEIVE.
AND THIS HAPPENED RECENTLY WHERE WE ALSO HAD TO PASS THAT TO THE CONSULTANTS.
SO WE'RE ALL, WE'RE JUST ADDING AN OTHER CATEGORY THAT'S GONNA KIND OF COVER THOSE OTHER ARCHEOLOGICAL DOCUMENTS OR STUDIES THAT AREN'T IN A PHASE ONE, TWO, OR THREE STUDY.
AS YOU MIGHT BE AWARE, THE STATE CODE CHANGED THIS JULY.
AND ONE OF THOSE CHANGES WAS TO SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION REVIEW TIMELINES IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE CODE.
THAT INITIAL REVIEW TIMELINE IS NOW 40 DAYS.
SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTALS WITHIN 30 DAYS.
YOU'LL SEE WE STRUCK OUT A PIECE ABOUT THE STATE AGENCY REVIEW TIMELINE.
TO BE HONEST, IN THE STATE CODE, IT'S A LITTLE MUDDY AND IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF REVIEW IT IS.
SO WE'RE JUST GETTING RID OF THE HARD NUMBER AND JUST REFERRING BACK TO THE STATE CODE.
SO WE DON'T COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THAT ON ACCIDENT.
WE'RE JUST MAKING SOME CHANGES TO SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISION PLANS AND PLATS.
RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 13 PAPER COPIES.
WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED 13 PAPER COPIES SINCE COVID BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS SHIFTED TO ELECTRONIC REVIEW.
SO WE'RE CHANGING THE NUMBER TO THREE.
AND THEN SAME FOR FINAL PLAT MATERIAL.
THE COURT ACCEPTS PAPER PLATS, SO WE'RE MOVING THE REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT IT ON MYLAR.
SO MORE SUBMITTAL UPDATES, AGAIN, THE 13 TO THREE.
YOU'LL SEE A REFERENCE WE STRUCK THAT REFERENCES BLUE LINE PRINTS, WHICH WERE DONE IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES.
WE HAVE LARGE PAPER PLOTTER PRINTERS NOW THAT PRODUCE MODERN PRINTS.
WE'RE JUST GETTING RID OF THAT OUTDATED TERM.
THERE'S A REFERENCE TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COVID-19 EXTENSION THAT EXPIRED THIS JULY.
SO WE'RE MOVING IT FROM THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S THE BULK OF OUR CHANGES TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD IF 24 1, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
HEY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION REAL QUICK? YES.
UM, WITH THE PLANS AND, AND, UH, PERMITTING MM-HMM
CAN THAT ALL BE DONE ELECTRONICALLY? IT COULD.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, MOVING TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING THAT IN THE FUTURE, DOING A ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW PROCESS.
SO WE ARE STILL REQUIRING PAPER AT THIS TIME.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE GOAL IN THE FUTURE IS TO BE ELECTRONIC FULLY.
DO WE KNOW ABOUT HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE TO IMPLEMENT? JUST CURIOUS.
I DON'T WANNA QUOTE A HARD NUMBER.
UM, BECAUSE JUST THE BALLPARK, IS IT SIX MONTHS? IS IT A YEAR? MAY MAYBE A YEAR.
YOU CAN SAY ANYTIME AFTERNOON THIS MONTH, THEN YOU'RE NOT ON THE HOOK ANYMORE.
SO YOU SEE WE ADDED SOME NEW DEFINITIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE ADDED BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
SO I HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SLIDES A LITTLE LATER.
'CAUSE WE WROTE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THESE.
SO I'M GONNA GET REALLY IN DEPTH IN THAT PORTION OF WHAT THESE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA PERMIT IT, AND THE KIND OF THE LOGIC BEHIND SOME OF OUR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME INQUIRIES, AND I THINK THIS IS IN PART TO THE KINGS CREEK SOLAR PROJECT.
UM, SO WE'VE RECEIVED SOME REQUESTS AND INQUIRIES FROM DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS OF THESE SYSTEMS. AND SO WE FIGURED, HEY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING THIS IN THE ORDINANCE AND TRYING TO REGULATE IT.
WE ALSO ADDED DEFINITIONS FOR CASINOS AND OFF TRE BATTING BETTING ESTABLISHMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT THEM AND THEREFORE WE NEED TO DEFINE THEM.
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THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE STATE CODE.THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
THE DEFINITION CHANGED FOR TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY FROM 90 TO 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
SO WE'RE JUST UPDATING IT TO STATE COMPLIANT.
THE ARCHEOLOGICAL REVIEW FEE, AGAIN, IT'S IN TWO PLACES IN THE SUBDIVISION.
IS THE STATE DE UH, DE-EMPHASIZING THE AR, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL REVIEW? IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING? SO WE USED TO, WHEN WE GOT A PHASE ONE STUDY, WE USED TO BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO VDHR AND THEY WOULD REVIEW IT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR STANDARDS ABOUT, I WANNA SAY IT WAS ALMOST TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, THEY SENT US IN JAMES CITY A LETTER BASICALLY SAYING, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT FOR YOU ANYMORE.
SO WE HAVE TO RELY ON A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT FOR US NOW.
BUT IT'S STILL REQUIRED THOUGH.
'CAUSE WE HAVE THE HISTORIC RESOURCE MANAGEMENT OVERLAY THAT HAS, OKAY.
IF YOU HAVE AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA DO STUDIES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LEAVE IT IN PLACE OR RECOVER IT OR, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.
SO IN THOSE STUDIES, I I, THE, THE REDHEAD, I THINK THEY DESCRIBED LIKE THREE LEVELS.
YOU CAN GET MORE INTENSE AS YOU.
AND, UM, WHO PAYS FOR THAT? WE PAY FOR THAT OR THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER PAYS FOR THOSE STUDIES.
WHAT WE WOULD DO PREVIOUSLY IS THEY WOULD PAY AN ARCHEOLOGIST TO PRO PRODUCE THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, FERRY IT TO VDHR FOR THEM TO REVIEW AGAIN WHEN THEY TOLD US, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT ANYMORE.
SO NOW WE TAKE THE STUDY THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS PAID FOR AND PRODUCED AND THEN FERRY THAT TO THE CONSULTANT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCHEOLOGIST ON STAFF WHO CAN REVIEW THOSE.
SO WHO DETERMINES THE LEVEL? SO THEY START WITH A PHASE ONE STUDY IF THE SITE HASN'T BEEN EXPLORED ALREADY.
AND THEN THE PHASE ONE INFORMS DO YOU NEED TO DO A PHASE TWO? WHICH IS THE MORE INTENSIVE, OKAY, DO I LEAVE IN PLACE OR RECOVER? OR, THE PHASE ONE CAN ALSO DETERMINE, HEY, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING HERE AND OR THERE ISN'T THINGS OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT I WOULD NEED TO PROTECT.
SO THEY KIND OF INFORM EACH OTHER IN INTENSITY.
WE ADDED A PIECE OF LANGUAGE ABOUT APPLICANT DEFERRAL FOR REZONING APPLICATIONS AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO RIGHT NOW, AFTER AN APPLICATION GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT CAN SAY, I WANT TO DEFER THIS FROM CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD.
AND IT HANGS OUT IN KIND OF A WEIRD LIMBO LAND AND THERE'S NOTHING TO FORCE IT TO GO FORWARD.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS WHEN AN APPLICANT, AFTER THEY'VE GONE TO PLANNING COMMISSION, CHOOSES TO DEFER, EITHER THEY GO TO YOU IN A YEAR OR IT'S GONNA EXPIRE BECAUSE FRANKLY THE CONDITIONS AROUND THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, AND FRANKLY EVEN AROUND THE REQUEST, CAN CHANGE PRETTY DRASTICALLY IF IT SITS ON A SHELF FOR THREE YEARS.
SO IS THAT EFFECTIVE? IS THAT EFFECTIVE WITH PASSING OF THIS ORDINANCE OR ARE THE GRANDFATHERED CASES? I DON'T, NO.
THIS WOULD BE EFFECTIVE WITH THE PASSING THIS ORDINANCE.
THIS IS JUST REMOVING, AGAIN, OLDER REFERENCES TO THE COVID-19 EXTENSIONS FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THIS IS A CLARIFICATION FOR HVAC EQUIPMENT.
WE'RE UPDATING IT TO SAY YOU ONLY HAVE TO SCREEN YOUR HVAC IF IT'S IN A FRONT YARD.
IF IT'S IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU DON'T NEED TO SCREEN IT.
IT'S IN THE BACKYARD FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY CONTENT.
THERE WERE JUST SOME FUNKY LITTLE GRAMMAR ERRORS FROM LAST YEAR WHEN THERE WAS THE BIG OVERHAUL.
SO WE'RE JUST DOING SOME WORDSMITHING THERE TO FIX THE GRAMMAR ERRORS.
I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES SOME CHANGES HERE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW GROUP HOMES BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND EO IL AND IG, THAT'S OUR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, WE'RE RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW GROCERY STORES AS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND LB.
AND THIS WAS KIND OF IN RECOGNITION OF THE FACT YOU COULD HAVE SMALL GROCERY STORES THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN THESE AREAS, BUT WE WANNA REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT 'CAUSE THERE'S X EXTENT THINGS ARE GONNA NEED CONDITIONS WITH GROCERY STORES.
WE'VE ADJUSTED CATEGORY 15 LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES FOR CONTRACTORS SHOPS.
WE'VE STRUCK SHOPS INSTEAD FACILITIES.
WE'RE ADDING ECC, THAT STANDALONE STORAGE YARD.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS REQUEST THAT THEY ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A STANDALONE STORAGE YARD WITHOUT THE ASSOCIATED SHOP.
SO WE'RE TREATING A LOT LIKE WE TREAT OUTDOOR STORAGE.
IT'S GONNA BE SPECIALLY PERMITTED IN GENERAL BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE A, NOT A SHOP, BUT A FACILITY STORAGE REPAIRS BEFORE THEY CAN ALSO HAVE POTENTIALLY ALSO HAVE, UH, OFF, UM, STANDALONE STORAGE, BUT NOT A BARE LOT THAT THEY JUST, THEY JUST PUT STORAGE ON.
WE'RE PROPOSING IT WOULD TRULY BE LIKE A, A, A STORAGE YARD.
SO SOMEWHERE THEY COULD PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THINGS AND IT'S JUST THE YARD.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ACTUAL BUILDING ON THERE WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR SHOP IN OFFICE.
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IS IN 17 UTILITIES YOU'LL SEE WE ADDED BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.WE'RE PROPOSING TO ONLY PERMIT THAT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AS WELL.
THESE HAVE POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE.
A, THEY GO TO YOU ALL FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AND THEN THERE'S CONDITIONS APPLIED SPECIFIC TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
WE ADDED CASINOS AND OFF TRACK BETTING TO THE LIST OF PROHIBITED USES.
IF THIS PASSES, THESE WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO BE ESTABLISHED IN NEW YORK COUNTY.
THIS IS JUST A MINOR CLARIFICATION.
THE STANDARDS TO THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY DISTRICT THAT IF YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ACCESSORY TYPICALLY TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIKE SHEDS, THEY ARE PERMITTED BY.
THE CODE ISN'T FOR THIS SECTION, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR.
SO WE HAD SOME CONFUSION WITH RESIDENTS.
SO CAN I PUT MY, CAN I PUT MY SHED IN THE BACKYARD? IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN DO BY? RIGHT.
YES, YOU CAN DO THAT FOR TEMPORARY OFFICE TRAILERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR THOSE IS THEY GO TO ZONING AND THEY GET THEIR PERMIT FOR THE TEMPORARY TRAILER.
WHEN THEY GET THE PERMIT, THEY PROVIDE ZONING AS SURETY.
AND WHAT THE SURETY DOES IS WHEN CONSTRUCTION'S COMPLETE A WAY FOR THEM TO GUARANTEE THAT THE TRAILER'S GONNA GO AWAY AND IT DOESN'T SIT THERE AND MOLDER, THERE'S AN OPTION IN THE ZONING LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW THAT ALLOWS FOR, IN LIEU OF SURETY TO DO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
NO ONE'S EVER USED THAT OR DONE THAT.
AND SO WE OPTED TO JUST STRIKE THAT AND LEAVE THE SURETY AS THE PREDOMINANT OPTION OR RATHER REQUIREMENT.
I PROMISED I WOULD TALK ABOUT BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES AND HERE WE ARE.
SO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
UM, SOME OF, YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT THEY BASICALLY SERVE THEIR LITHIUM IRON BATTERIES, FRANKLY, AND THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE CONEX CONTAINERS.
AND THEY SERVE TO SORT OF STORE ELECTRICITY THAT'S GENERATED BY RENEWABLES LIKE SOLAR IN THIS EXAMPLE.
AND THEY KIND OF HANG ONTO IT UNTIL THE GRID NEEDS AN INJECTION OF THAT STORED ENERGY.
AGAIN, GIVEN WE HAVE THE UPCOMING SOLAR FACILITY AND LOOKING AT FUTURE ENERGY USES, THAT MIGHT BE MORE VARIABLE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE THESE IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE REGULATIONS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO WE MENTIONED ONLY ALLOWING THEM BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT THE SEP APPLICATIONS NEEDS TO INCLUDE WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD.
WE ARE ASKING FOR A DETAILED NARRATIVE, NOT JUST DESCRIBING THE PROJECT, BUT GIVING CAPACITY SPECIFICATIONS, PROVIDING A MAINTENANCE PLAN DESCRIPTION OF ANY ANCILLARY FACILITIES.
AND THEY HAVE TO DETAIL ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ON NATURAL AND HISTORIC RESOURCES IN THE SITE THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO.
WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING VISUAL RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND LANDSCAPING TREATMENTS.
THIS IS JUST A PHOTO OF A FACILITY, UM, IN, I BELIEVE THIS IS IN CHESTERFIELD COUNTY.
THEY'RE NOT PRETTY GONNA BE BLUNT.
AND SO WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF ADDED, A LOT OF STRICT SCREENING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE FRANKLY YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONEX BOXES.
THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY PRETTY TO LOOK AT.
SO FOR SCREENING OR REQUIRING SCREENING WITH ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, BERMS, EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING, FOLD TO GROUND EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S BUFFERED FROM VIEW.
WE HAVE MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACKS, HUNDRED FEET FROM PROPERTY LINES AND THEN 500 FEET FROM OCCUPIED STRUCTURES.
SO THESE ARE CONTAINERS FULL OF LITHIUM IION BATTERIES.
WE NEED THAT DISTANCE TO ENSURE SAFETY.
DO THEY GENERATE ANY KIND OF NOISE ISSUE AT A HUNDRED FEET? WE, IN OUR RESEARCH, WE DIDN'T HEAR NOISE COME UP AS A PRIMARY CON, LIKE A MAJOR CONCERN LIKE WE DID FOR DATA CENTERS.
AND JUST EXPERIENCES THAT OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE HAD.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE NOISE, A NOISE ISSUE WITH THE LOCALITIES THAT HAVE HAD THESE, LIKE VIRGINIA BEACH FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU SPEAK ABOUT BATTERIES AND ENERGY STORAGE UNITS.
IF IT'S NOT A BATTERY, WHAT DOES THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHAT'S IT, WHAT IS AN ENERGY STORAGE UNIT? I MIGHT HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LET OFF THIS SECTION, YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BATTERIES AND ENERGY STORAGE UNITS.
I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE JUST BEEN MAYBE NEED.
SO YOU'RE, WE'RE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT BATTERIES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUCLEAR FISSION OR SOMETHING.
HAVE YOU DEFINED THE SIZE OF THE BATTERY STORAGE? WE DON'T GIVE A PRESCRIPTIVE SIZE LIMITATION.
THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ACCESSORY TO SOLAR CAN BE A CERTAIN SIZE.
AND IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE SOLAR, SOLAR FIELD.
UM, THERE'S LIKE THE LARGE ONE WE SAW IN CHESTERFIELD, THAT'S
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DOMINION'S PROJECT.YOU HAVE SOME WE SAW IN OUR RESEARCH THAT AGAIN ARE ACCESSORY TO LAKE SOLAR AND IT'S MAYBE TWO UNITS.
SO THE SIZE AND THE INQUIRIES WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN POSSIBLY ADJACENT TO TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO NOT EXPECTED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACRES AND ACRES OF SIZE MORE AS LIKE POTENTIALLY SMALLER.
WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE A PRESCRIPTIVE SIZE 'CAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THEN WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY UL.
YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING OF SOMEBODY WHO'S OFF THE GRID AND MAYBE NOT, NOT NEAR DOMINION POWER SUPPLY.
AND ONCE SOLAR, SOLAR, UH, SUPPLY WITH A BATTERY STORAGE TO RUN THEIR HOUSE AT NIGHT.
UM, IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP FOR THAT.
SO FOR THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A PRIMARY USE UTILITY SCALE FOR AN A POTENTIAL ACCESSORY APPLICATION, WHAT WE SAW IN OUR RESEARCH IS THAT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, SPECULATIVE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT DEPLOYED AS MUCH AND WHERE IT IS DEPLOYED, WE NEEDED TO DO A BIT MORE RESEARCH ON IF WE'RE GONNA WRITE ACCESSORY STANDARDS, MAKING SURE THAT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE ACCESSORY THINGS ARE ACCESSORY STANDARDS OF MANY OF THOSE ARE BY RIGHT.
SO IS IT SOMETHING WE WOULD WANNA MAKE BY RIGHT.
OR BY SUP AND THEN IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT BY RIGHT.
WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE STANDARDS? SO IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, I'M PLANNING STAFF'S GONNA BE WORKING ON ACTUALLY LARGER ENERGY GENERATION TEXT AMENDMENTS AND THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THAT LARGER BATCH.
SO, SO THERE MAY BE AN AMENDMENT COMING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR ACCESSORY? YES.
THAT JUST REQUIRED A BIT MORE STUDY ON STAFF'S PART.
SO ACCESSORY, YOU MEAN IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET BATTERY, WHOLE HOME BATTERY BACKUP MM-HMM
THEY'RE SUB, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THIS ORDINANCE AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AT THE MOMENT THEY ARE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SIZE SPECIFICITY OF THAT.
WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT AN AMENDMENT TO YEAH.
THIS, WHAT WE'RE WRITING HERE IS REALLY FOR THE, THE USE AS A PRIMARY USE ON A LOT, NOT NECESSARILY, YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA START, IF THIS IS GONNA IMPACT HOMEOWNERS THAT WANT GET ONE OF THOSE TESLA BATTERIES, WHATEVER THAT, THAT, UH, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY IS AND YEAH.
WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO CARVE OUT SOMETHING FOR THAT, SO, OKAY.
JUST TO KIND OF ROUND OUT, WE'RE REQUIRING A SUBMITTAL OF A HAZMAT PLAN TO FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, SAFETY SIGNAGE AND SECURITY FENCING.
AND THEN REALLY SIMILAR TO SOLAR FACILITIES AND DATA CENTERS, THE MAINTENANCE AND DECOMMISSIONING REGULATIONS, WE WANT THE DEVELOPER AND THEN WHOEVER THE SITE OWNER'S GONNA BE IN IN THE FUTURE, AGAIN, THEY NEED TO GIVE US THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND THEN IF THEY'RE GONNA SHUT IT DOWN, IF IT'S SHUT DOWN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, THEY NEED TO TAKE THE GUTS OUT.
WE DON'T JUST WANT IT TO SIT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S BATTERIES.
SO THERE'S A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
IF IT CEASES TO OPERATE IN THE CAPACITY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, THEY HAVE TO TEAR IT, TEAR IT DOWN.
SO IT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE LANGUAGE YOU JUST ACTUALLY SAW WITH DATA CENTERS WHERE IF IT, THEY EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT AND THAT'S GONNA GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
BUT IF IT'S CEASES OPERATION WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS AND THEN THEY DON'T NOTIFY IF THEY NOW, IF THEY SUBMITS NOTICE TO SAY, HEY, I'M SELLING THE FACILITY AND IT'S GONNA GET RESTARTED IN A WEEK, AS OPPOSED TO, I HAVE NOT OPERATED FOR THIS NUMBER OF DAYS AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO, IT'S GONNA COM COMPEL THEM TO REMOVE THE EQUIPMENT.
GOING BACK TO, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM
COULD I, IF, IF YOU HAVE A SOLAR POWERED HOME AND THAT, AND THAT POWER IS STORED IN BATTERIES, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT EXISTING HOMES WITH, WITH, WITH SOLAR POWER? SO SOLAR POWER IN VIRGINIA, YOU SELL BACK INTO THE GRID.
BUT SOME, SOME OF THOSE, THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'RE EXCESS ENERGY THEY STORE ON SITE AND BATTERIES.
IN VIRGINIA YOU GET ONE FOR ONE PAYBACK, UH, FROM DOMINION FOR ANYTHING YOU PUT BACK INTO THE GRID, YOU GET IN RETURN.
SO, SO THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE OF A BATTERY IN VIRGINIA, BUT DOES, DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT INSTALLED IN YORK COUNTY TODAY? AND IF, AND IF SO, DOES IT, WHAT DOES BATTERY USING A BATTERY HAVE? HAVING THEIR, UM, IF SOLAR ENERGY STORED IN A BATTERY BEFORE IT EITHER GOES INTO THEIR HOME OR UPDATED TO THE GRID, RVS AND CAMPER HOMES HAVE THEM.
I DON'T, YEAH, I, I DO WANNA NOTE, UM, FOR THE, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT SECTION 24 DASH 1 4 94 DASH TWO TITLE IT SAYS BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES.
COULD WE JUST PUT NON-RESIDENTIAL BEHIND THAT? IT'S MADE COMMERCIAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS TO BE A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION.
YEAH, BECAUSE YEAH, MY WHOLE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE NOW.
IF, IF WE SPECIFIED THAT IT'S COMMERCIAL RATHER
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THAN NON-RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED IT.THAT, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE NEED, WE, WE WON'T NEED SOME STANDARDS LATER ON FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT FINE WITH THAT SO THAT WE DON'T GET JAM PEOPLE JAMMED UP HERE TONIGHT.
WELL, SHE SAID THAT'S COMING IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
BUT, BUT WE COULD CHANGE IT WITH ONE AMENDMENT HERE.
MAKE IT MORE NON-RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL ONLY.
I DO OUR, THEN ONE OF THE TWO COULD BE COMMERCIAL ONLY OR NON-RESIDENTIAL.
I WAS, WE WANNA CALL IT UTILITY SCALE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE DEFINE THAT THOUGH.
ONE OTHER QUESTION WHILE WE'RE HERE ON THIS.
YOU LAND ON COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL? WE CAN CALL IT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL OR JUST RESIDE.
I SAY NON RESIDENTIAL IS BETTER.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAD WAS, YOU SAID AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS OF IT BEING OUT OF FUNCTION, IS THAT SPECIFIED? 180 DAYS.
I DIDN'T SEE IT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, THIS IS, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO SUBDIVISION PLANS.
FOR SITE PLANS, WE'RE JUST REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT A BLUE LINE PRINT.
THEY DON'T MAKE THE MOST ANYMORE.
THIS IS JUST UPDATING OUR REVIEW TIMELINES AGAIN TO ADHERE TO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
AND REMOVING THE REFERENCES AGAIN TO THE EXPIRED COVID-19 EXTENSIONS.
WE ADDED A NEW DEFINITION TO THE SIGN CODE AND ARTICLE SEVEN SPECIFICALLY FOR ONLINE ORDER PICKUP SIGNS.
YOU SEE THESE ALL THE TIME NOW IN LIKE GROCERY STORE, TARGET PARKING LOT, BIG BOX PARKING LOTS MM-HMM
UM, BUT THEY WEREN'T REALLY ADDRESSED DIRECTLY IN THE SIGN CODE.
SO OUR ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF CAME TO US WITH A REQUEST, HEY, WE NEED TO, WE'D LIKE TO DEFINE THIS, UM, FOR CLARITY.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, IT'S BEEN ADDED TO THIS SECTION FOR EXEMPT SIGNS.
SO IT'S WITH, IF IT IS WITHIN THE SIZE AND HEIGHT LIMITATIONS WITHIN THIS SECTION, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO GET A SIGNED PERMIT TO HAVE AN ONLINE ORDER PICKUP SIGN IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
AND THEN FOR GENERAL SIGN REGULATIONS, WE, UH, ADDED A PIECE OF LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW TO MEASURE A CIRCULAR SIGN.
AND WE'RE REFERENCING A FIGURE IN THE APPENDIX THAT I'M GONNA COME TO IN A FEW SLIDES.
SO IN APPENDIX A, WE HAVE THIS FIGURE WHICH SHOWS WHERE YOU CAN PUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
YOU CAN'T READ IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SCANNED AND IT'S VERY PIXELATED.
TO BE CLEAR, WE ADDED A NEW FIGURE ON HOW TO MEASURE CIRCULAR SIGN.
NOW QUESTION MAY HAVE IS WHY DO YOU GIVE TWO OPTIONS ON HOW TO MEASURE A CIRCLE? SPEAKING OF OUR, OUR, OUR ZONING STAFF WHO PROCESS THE SIGN PERMITS, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE SIGN PACKAGE COMES IN FROM A SIGN MANUFACTURER, THEY ACTUALLY, THE WAY THE SIGN MANUFACTURER AND THE SIGN COMPANY MEASURES THE SIGN IS THEY ACTUALLY DO PROVIDE LIKE A SQUARE, A LENGTH AND WIDTH.
AND SO ZONING WILL USUALLY JUST DEFAULT TO THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY PROVIDED THEM.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE OPTION ONE THAT IF THE SIGN COMPANY DOESN'T MEASURE IT BY LAN WIDTH, THEN YOU WOULD MEASURE IT LIKE YOU WOULD A REGULAR CIRCLE PI R SQUARED.
AND THANK YOU FOR USING REGULAR MATH TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THAT ANNUAL EXERCISE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME NEW LAND USES WE WANT MOSTLY THIS IS JUST AN EXERCISE IN CLARIFYING REGULATIONS.
BRING IT IT UP TO DATE WITH THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND STREAMLINING STANDARDS.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
AND WE'RE, I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS WELL.
AND YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH YOUR ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 25.
CAITLYN, I HAD ONE LAST QUESTION.
IT MIGHT BE MORE DIRECTED TO CHIEF BALDWIN.
HOW DO WE ADDRESS FIREFIGHTING FOR BATTERY STORAGE? YOU WANNA COME TO THE MIC? THANK YOU, CALY.
MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO BE WITHIN CERTAIN DISTANCES OF HYDRANTS? WE'D RECOMMEND THAT WE MAINTAIN THIS, OUR STANDARD DISTANCE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
SOME OF THESE, SO WE HAVE ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY BECAUSE AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF STORAGE SYSTEM, LITHIUM VERSUS OTHERS AND THE SIZE OF THE STORAGE SYSTEM WOULD DETERMINE WHAT EXTINGUISHING AGENT'S GOING TO BE USED AND THE AMOUNT THAT IT'S GONNA BE NEEDED.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD STAND WITH THE STANDARD HYDROGEN SPACING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR LENGTH OR DISTANCE TO HYDRANTS OR? WE'D WANNA BE WITHIN 500 TO A THOUSAND FEET.
I'M WONDERING IF IT NEEDS TO BE.
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IT'S ALREADY IN.AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF STORAGE FACILITY, THE TYPE OF MATERIAL IT'S INVOLVED.
THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WAS COMING FROM.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THAT? OKAY.
THE, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 25 R TO AMEND YORK COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CHAPTER 20.5 AND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER 24.1 WITH VERBIAGE ADDED OF NON-RESIDENTIAL AS AMENDED.
[5. Creation of Chapter 15, Article VII “Traffic Signal Violation Monitoring and Enforcement. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 25-24 to incorporate the provisions of Virginia Code Section 15.2-968.1 into the County Code as “Traffic Signal Violation Monitoring and Enforcement.” a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-24]
NUMBER FIVE, WHICH BY THE WAY IS THE FOURTH PUBLIC CARRIED ON THIS I UNDERSTAND.UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL VIOLATION MONITORING ENFORCEMENT.
AND I'M GONNA CALL ON OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
UH, AND I'M GONNA BE TAG TEAMING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE SHERIFF THIS EVENING ON THIS.
UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE STATE OF, UH, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA PROVIDES, UH, SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORITY FOR LOCALITIES TO ADOPT, UH, VARIOUS, UM, MONITORING SYSTEMS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, ZONES.
WE, WE HAVE ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY, UM, BEEN AUTHORIZED IN YORK COUNTY FOR THE SPEED ZONES.
UH, IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ADOPTED ONE THAT AUTHORIZES THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD TO ADOPT, UM, UM, MONITORING CAMERAS IN SCHOOL BUSES FOR VIOLATORS WHO MM-HMM
UH, PASSED, PASSED THEM, STOPPED SCHOOL BUSES.
THIS IS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL TOOL THAT IS AVAILABLE TO, UH, LOCALITIES AND TO US SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO ADOPT IT.
THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO IMPLEMENT, UM, A PROGRAM TO, UH, MONITOR, UH, RED LIGHT RUNNERS, RED LIGHT, UM, VIOLATORS.
AND, UH, PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, UH, THERE IS A SERIES OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS THE SPECIFIC AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW, UH, YORK COUNTY TO, UM, IMPLEMENT SUCH SYSTEMS AT INTERSECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
FOLLOWING THE VARIOUS STEPS, THE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE RECORDED, UH, AND, UH, TICKETED, UH, CITATION SENT IN THE SAME MANNER OR A VERY SIMILAR MANNER TO THAT, THAT WE CURRENTLY USE FOR THE SCHOOL ZONES.
UM, AND THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION, I BELIEVE THAT A THIRD PARTY VENDOR WOULD BE ENGAGED TO ASSIST WITH THAT PROCESS AS WELL AS TO INSTALL THE SYSTEMS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL ASK SHERIFF MONTGOMERY TO GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL SPECIFICS.
UM, UH, HE HAS IN THE PAST EXPLAINED THAT WE HAVE SOME PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN YORK COUNTY, UM, AND HAS ASKED FOR THIS ASSISTANCE AND TOOL TO HELP HIS OFFICERS AND HIS DEPUTIES, UM, POLICE IT.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
YES, I'VE, UH, WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THIS.
UM, THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR INTERSECTION THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
THAT'S GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND VICTORY BOULEVARD, RIGHT IN FRONT OF WALMART.
I'M SURE MOST OF US ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
SO I'VE RECEIVED OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, MULTIPLE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THERE.
UH, SINCE 2000 AND JANUARY 1ST, 2024, THERE HAVE BEEN 169 CRASHES AT THIS INTERSECTION.
WE HAVE WRITTEN THE DEPUTIES, MY TRAFFIC DEPUTIES HAVE WRITTEN 281 RED LIGHT VIOLATIONS IN THE COUNTY DURING THAT TIME WITH
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162 OF 'EM BEING AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.BASED ON THOSE STATISTICS EARLIER THIS SPRING, I DID HAVE A SOFTWARE COMPANY THAT DOES, UH, RED LIGHT VIOLATIONS INSTALLATION, ACTUALLY DO A ONE DAY STUDY ON A FRIDAY.
THE STUDY RAN FROM 6:00 AM IN THE MORNING TO 10:00 PM AT NIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, ROUTE 17 IN VICTORY BOULEVARD.
AND DURING THAT TIME, THERE WERE 119 VIOLATIONS RECORDED, WHICH SHOWS THAT IF WE'VE WRITTEN, UH, 162 TICKETS, THERE WAS 119 RECORDED BY THIS SYSTEM IN ONE DAY.
RED LIGHT CAMERAS HAVE SHOWN STATISTICALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RED LIGHT VIOLATIONS, BUT THERE ARE VARYING STATISTICS THAT SHOW BETWEEN 24 AND 40% REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC CRASHES IN THE CI IN THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE THEY OCCUR.
AND THEY ALSO IMPACT THE SURROUNDING INTERSECTIONS AS WELL.
THERE'S, UH, DATA FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HIGHWAY SAFETY.
SO TO BE TRANSPARENT, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE THAT IF YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE, THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
AND THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AS MR. HILL WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S A MUCH MORE INVOLVED PROCESS THAN THE SCHOOL RADAR ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY, ONCE YOU PASS THAT ORDINANCE, GAVE US THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT BASICALLY ON OUR OWN TO JUST DECIDE WHICH VENDOR IT WAS GOING TO BE THROUGH VDOT.
THEY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL.
I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY WITH ROSSI CARROLL, WHICH I KNOW THE BOARD'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, HIS PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE ENGINEERING STUDY AS WELL.
HE AND I HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED LOOKING AT TWO OTHER POSSIBLE INTERSECTIONS BECAUSE OF THE GROWING PROBLEMS THERE THAT WE'RE GATHERING DATA ON.
NOW, ONE WOULD BE HAMPTON HIGHWAY IN VICTORY BOULEVARD, AND THE OTHER WOULD BE FORT EUSTIS, UH, BOULEVARD AND GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AS POTENTIAL SITES.
BUT THIS SITE IS THE MOST DANGEROUS SITE RIGHT NOW.
AND ACCORDING TO ROSSI CARROLL, IT'S THE MOST CONGESTED INTERSECTION IN HAMPTON ROADS.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A HUGE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AT THIS SITE.
NOT ONLY THAT, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR MY DEPUTIES BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WAY IT'S SET UP IN THAT INTERSECTION FOR US TO ACTUALLY, UH, DO THESE RED LIGHT VIOLATIONS.
ESSENTIALLY THESE 162 WERE BASED ON THE DEPUTIES BEING AT ONE OF THE FOUR INTERSECTIONS AND OBSERVING.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE RED LIGHT AS WELL TO GET THESE VIOLATORS.
AND THERE'S NO REAL SAFE PLACE TO PULL SOMEBODY OVER IN THAT INTERSECTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S VERY BUSY.
SO THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THEM AS WELL, FOR ENFORCEMENT.
SO THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM, I BELIEVE, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD, UH, ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT INTERSECTION.
AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS, TOM? JUST REAL QUICK.
UM, AND I THINK THIS GOES GONNA GO TO, UH, I THINK A RECOMMENDATION BY SOMEBODY.
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU, STEVE ABOUT MM-HMM
MAKING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A FUTURE FUTURE, UH, UH, CAMERAS.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE, WHAT WE DID UNDER THE SCHOOL'S SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, AND, AND THEN IT WAS APPROVED.
AND THEN THAT REALLY COULD ALLOW YOU TO MOVE THESE CAMERAS TO OTHER SCHOOLS ONCE A ONCE A PLACE LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SEE, WHERE WAS IT? UM, I THINK IT WAS BETHEL EL, I MEAN, YEAH, BETHEL ELEMENTARY.
AND, UH, THAT YOU COULD TAKE IT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL THE TRAFFIC NOW IS SLOWED DOWN, SO EVERYTHING'S GOOD NOW LET'S GONNA MOVE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THAT WOULD BE IN, IN THE SENSE OF, OF PUBLIC HEARING HEARING REQUIREMENTS? WELL, NO.
UM, THE STATE STA THE STATE STATUTE PROVIDES THAT YOU CAN HAVE THESE SYSTEMS, ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS IN AN INTERSECTION PER 10,000 PEOPLE.
SO IN ROUND NUMBERS WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SEVEN.
I HAVE NO INTENTIONS AT THIS POINT OF BEING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT VICTORY IN ROUTE 17 IS MY MAJOR CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
BUT BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE INCREASING NUMBERS THAT THE OTHER TWO THAT I MENTIONED, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, I, I SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT AND LET YOU KNOW THAT I WOULD DO THOSE STUDIES AND THAT A LOT OF THAT'S BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH ROSSI CARROLL, WHO AGREES WITH THAT AS WELL? THAT THOSE ARE POTENTIAL SITES.
SO RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE KNOW OF.
I WOULDN'T LOOK AT NO MORE THAN TWO OR THREE AT THE TOPS.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER INTERSECTIONS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PRESENTING THE TYPES OF SCENARIOS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF CRASHES, DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE IN A GROWING PROBLEM.
THOSE ARE THE THREE PLACES RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD DISCUSS WITH VICTORY.
AND 17 BEING FAR AND ABOVE THE WORST.
THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, THE SAME CONCEPT, I MEAN
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THE, THE END GAMES, YOU GET A $50 TICKET, RIGHT? UH, YOU DON'T GET IT ON YOUR RECORD, YOU DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR INSURANCE NOT REPORTED TO INSURANCE.'CAUSE ITS SIMPLIFY 50 $50 SEEMS TO ME TO BE THE SAME.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD DRIVE THIS TO BE IF, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE IT.
I MEAN, IS THIS, IS THIS UH, MORE DIFFICULT TO MOVE THAN, UH, MORE DISRUPTIVE TO MOVE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE FOR A SCHOOL SYSTEM? YES, BECAUSE OKAY, THERE'S A QUIET, THERE'S A LOT OF INFRAS, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, INSTALLATION ISSUES.
THE WAY THESE SYSTEMS WORK IS THERE'RE SENSORS PLACED ON THE HIGHWAY WHERE THE STOP BAR IS, AND THEY ARE COORDINATED WITH THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES.
AND STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT THERE CAN'T BE A VIOLATION UNTIL A HALF A SECOND HAS PASSED THAT THE LIGHT HAS TURNED FULLY RED AND NOW A VEHICLE PASSES THAT STOP BAR A HALF SECOND LATER, THAT'S WHEN THE VIOLATION OCCURS.
SO THESE COMPANIES THAT COME IN AND INSTALL IT, I'VE BEEN GIVEN QUOTES THAT TO THEM, AND THIS IS THEIR OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE TO BEGIN, THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $50,000 TO INSTALL THESE SYSTEMS IN THESE INTERSECTIONS.
AND THAT THAT'S AT THEIR COST.
THERE IS NO COST TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WHAT, WHAT IS A STOP BAR? THAT THAT WHITE, WHERE YOU PULL UP THAT WHITE LIGHT.
SO UNDER NORMAL POLICING THE TRAFFIC, UH, SAFETY.
SO WHAT DOES, UH, WHAT GUIDANCE DO YOU GIVE YOUR DEPUTIES? SO WHAT, WHAT GUIDANCE DOES THE DEPUTIES HAVE IF THEY ACTUALLY SEE SOMEBODY RUN THROUGH A RED LIGHT? WHAT CONSTITUTE? WELL, PRETTY MUCH THEY'RE HAVING TO EYEBALL.
IF THEY'RE SITTING THERE IN TRAFFIC IN THE SOUTHBOUND LANE IN FRONT OF WALMART AND THE LIGHT TURNS RED, A VEHICLE GOES PAST THEM AFTER THAT.
THIS SYSTEM IS BASICALLY WHAT IT'S GONNA DO IS MAKE IT THE SAME FOR EVERYONE A HALF A SECOND BY STATE STATUTE.
THE LIGHT HAS TURNED RED, NO VIOLATIONS WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL A HALF A SECOND IS PASSED BY WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS RED AND NOW SOMEONE PASSES THROUGH THERE, NOW THEY'RE GONNA GET A VIOLATION.
SO IF A POLICEMAN STOPS YOU, PULLS YOU OVER, THAT GETS ON YOUR RECORD, THAT'S YOU.
THE FINE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A LITTLE HIGHER, I GUESS.
IT'S CONSIDERABLY HIGHER AND IT GOES ON YOUR DRIVING RECORD INSURANCE AND POTENTIALLY WILL BE REPORTED TO YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY.
SO I'M, AGAIN, I'LL COME BACK TO THE, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU TO MOVE THESE THINGS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE NOT AS EASY AND AS YOU DO ON A SCHOOL SYSTEM.
WHAT DO YOU GOT THE, WELL, I'M TALKING TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT VENDORS RIGHT NOW AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES THAT DO HAVE IT BUILT IN THAT THEY'LL ALLOW ONE OR TWO MOVES AT THE COMPANY'S EXPENSE.
BEYOND THAT, THEN YOU'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA START TO PASS THAT EXPENSE ALONG TO US.
IF I WANTED TO MOVE ROUTE 17 IN VICTORY TO ROUTE 17 IN PRODUCTION, THAT'S A 20 TO $50,000 COST TO THAT COMPANY.
KIND OF BE A PROHIBITIVE, MAYBE A RIGHT.
GOTTA BE A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN.
SO MR. SHEPHERD, JUST GIVE MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THE, THE AMENDMENT THAT I HAD ASKED FOR.
WE HAVE ONE INTERSECTION THAT WE KNOW IS PROBLEMATIC AS SHERIFF MONTGOMERY SHARED THE RIGHT 17 VICTORY BOULEVARD ONE, TWO MORE.
THAT PROBABLY NEEDS A LOT OF ATTENTION.
SO YOU CAN CONSIDER THOSE GIVEN, BUT IT MAY BE YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE ANOTHER ONE GETS TO A POINT WHERE IT NEEDS ATTENTION.
AND GIVEN THAT, AND SINCE WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT THE CONTRACT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE LIABILITY OF THE COUNTY, THE FINANCIAL BURDEN THE COUNTY MAY CARRY, I WANTED THAT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION RATHER THAN JUST HOPE NOTHING CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND ASKING FOR THAT, THAT AMENDMENT SO THAT THE BOARD HAS A CHANCE WITH THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THE ASK AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
WELL, I'M NOT ADVERSE TO THE PUBLIC INPUT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M NOT EITHER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS, WHAT'S DRIVING IT.
THAT IF IT'S, 'CAUSE I MEAN I REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL COST.
I, I HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COST I WAS QUOTED WHEN THEY CAME UP, WHEN THEY PASSED THAT LAW.
IT WAS LIKE A CITY OF, OF, UM, NEWPORT NEWS SAID IT'S GONNA BE LIKE $300,000 TO DO IN AN INSTALL IN JEFFERSON.
AND UH, AND THERE'S NO COST TO US.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS A, A PRETTY SMART MOVE FOR US.
'CAUSE IT SAVES ON MANPOWER AND, AND IT REALLY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST 1, 1, 1 MORE, ONE MORE THING.
SO, SIR MONTGOMERY, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THE, THE RIGHT DIRECTION GOING FORWARD ON IT.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WE WANT TO STOP PEOPLE WILLFULLY GOING THROUGH RED LIGHTS WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE.
UM, I'M CONCERNED, I I I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET POPPED FOR A RED LIGHT VIOLATION.
IF THEY HAVE PROCEEDED THROUGH THE, THE INTERSECTION BEFORE IT TURNED RED, BUT DUE TO TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING, THEY COULDN'T
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GET CAUGHT IN THE INTERSECTION.WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS RED, THEY GET, THEY GET PHOTOGRAPHED AS A VIOLATION.
SO I'M ASSUMING, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN CLARIFY THIS FOR US, THAT THE, THE DEPUTY WHO REVIEWS EVERY, EVERY VIDEO THAT GETS SENT WELL CAN MAKE THAT JUDGMENT AND GO, NO, THAT PERSON DIDN'T RUN THE RED LIGHT.
IT JUST GOT CAUGHT IN THE INTERSECTION.
IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC, THEY'RE GETTING A CITATION.
THEY, MY DEPUTIES HAVE TO APPROVE IT THE SAME WAY THEY DO THE SCHOOL FLASHING LIGHTS TO SHOW THE FLASHING LIGHTS WERE, UH, WORKING AT THE TIME THAT THEY WENT THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE.
THE COMPANY REVIEWS IT FIRST, BUT THE DEPUTIES HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON IT BEFORE IT'S APPROVED.
SO THEY WILL, YOU WILL SEE A PHOTOGRAPH THAT THE VEHICLE IS AT THE STOP BAR.
THE LIGHT IS ALREADY RED BEFORE THEY WENT THROUGH THIS AT THAT HALF SECOND.
SO YES, WE HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF, UH, AND I'VE SEEN THIS NOW DOWN THERE AT, UH, AT, AT AT 17 AND I'VE ALSO SEEN EM 1 3 4, WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY JAMMING UP THE INTERSECTION MM-HMM
THEY GO AND I KNOW AND STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION.
NOW YOU DO THAT IN NEWPORT NEWS, YOU GOTTA GET A TICKET.
SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHEN TO GO INTO THE INTERSECTION AND NOT BLOCK IT.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE A, IF YOU'RE SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF INTERSECTION, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM, WHEN I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE AT THE FIRST VEHICLE, IF THE LIGHT TURNS, NOW IF THE FIRST VEHICLE WENT INTO THE INTERSECTION WHEN IT'S YELLOW AND GETS CAUGHT BY TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF IT, THEN THERE WON'T BE ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS AFTER THAT.
IT'LL JUST HAVE TO CLEAR THIS IS WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS RED, SOMEONE IS AT THE STOP BAR AND GOES PAST IT AFTER A HALF SECOND.
SHERIFF, IF I HAD ONE QUESTION, IT WAS THE SAME QUESTION WE ASKED DURING THE REVIEW OF, UH, SPEED CAMERAS IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS, WHERE DO THE FUNDS GO? WHERE DO WE DIRECT THE FUNDS TO? I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE SEEN AS A TAX GRAB AND THE CITIZENS, UH, COMPLAINING THAT WE'RE JUST DOING THIS FOR, UH, IMPROVING OUR COFFERS.
WHAT'S THIS? THE, WELL, THE, THE FUNDS, THE $50 FINE GOES INTO THE COUNTY'S GENERAL FUND.
WHICH IS THE SAME AS THING AS THE SCHOOL RADAR CAMERAS.
SO, UM, MINE'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION OTHER THAN, AS YOU AND I DISCUSSED, MY CONCERN IS POPPING CAMERAS EVERYWHERE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE BEING FILMED EVERYWHERE THEY GO ANYMORE.
UH, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS TO START THE ONE CAMERA AT VICTORY IN 17 RIGHT NOW, BUT DOESN'T GIVE US ANY FLEXIBILITY OTHER THAN YOU COMING BACK TO THE BOARD AND ASKING FOR ANOTHER LOCATION AT SUCH TIME THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT IS REQUIRED.
DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? WELL, I'M BEING UPFRONT TELLING YOU THAT THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE, IS GONNA GET THE ATTENTION RIGHT AWAY, THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON IS VICTORY IN 17.
I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER TWO MM-HMM
TO DO TRAFFIC STUDIES ON THE NO, DOESN'T SEE ANYTHING TO SEE IF THEY WARRANT THAT TYPE OF ATTENTION.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE STATISTICS ON THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME STUDIES DONE THERE AS I DID HERE.
SHERIFF, I'D ASK YOU TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND ADVISE US YEAH.
THAT'S MY, IF I, WELL, I, I THOUGHT THE, THE MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, WHAT IF I MAY? YES.
SO THE, UH, REFERENCE THAT'S BEEN MADE TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, HAS BEEN PASSED ALONG AND IT'S NOW DESIGNATED AS AN R ORDINANCE.
WELL, I'M TRYING TO FIND, SO THE CHANGE THAT IS INDICATED IS IN ON PAGE FIVE.
SO ON THE, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE, UH, SECTION 15 DASH 84, SUBSECTION B UH, CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN READS, PRIOR TO IMPLEMENTING ANY SYSTEM, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHALL ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN WRITING OF THE INTENTION TO IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM.
THE AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED BY MR. RONE AS I UNDERSTAND, YES, IT WOULD BE TO ADD THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE.
AFTER THAT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHALL HOLD AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY PROPOSED SYSTEM AND MUST APPROVE THE PROPOSED SYSTEM.
BY MAJORITY VOTE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE CONTAINED IN THE PROCEEDING SENTENCE SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A SYSTEM AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 17 AND VICTORY BOULEVARD PROVIDED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OTHERWISE FOLLOWS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SECTION IN ADVANCE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH SYSTEM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REQUEST TO ALSO ADD
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THE INTERSECTIONS AT HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND VICTORY BOULEVARD AND FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD AT ROUTE 17 TO THAT EX TO THAT LIST AS WELL.AND SINCE WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT, RIGHT NOW, YES.
I I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ADD THOSE TWO OTHER INTERSECTIONS HERE IN THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT THAT MEAN, BUT THEY WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.
IF MONTGOMERY'S ALREADY COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
SO IT WOULD, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS, EFFECTIVELY THE BOARD IS SAYING TONIGHT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE SYSTEM AND WE AGREE NOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE, ASSUMING THAT YOU GET THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DO TO IMPLEMENT 'EM AT THOSE THREE INTERSECTIONS, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PROVISION THAT HE ADVISES US IN ADVANCE THAT IT'S GOING LIVE AT A NEW INTERSECTION.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST ARE, ARE WE, ARE WE NOW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A NEW RESOLUTION.
I'M ASKING FOR THE SHERIFF TO COME BACK TO US AND ADVISE IF HE'S GOING FORWARD WITH PORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD THAT HE'S TELLING US IT GOES LIVE ON A CERTAIN DATE.
ARE WE SAYING MY, FOR THIS, THAT WE ARE APPROVING ALL THREE OF THEM NOW? YES.
EFFECTIVELY APPROVING THEM BY EXEMPTING THEM FROM THE FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENTS.
I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA JUST DO, DO THE FIRST ONE AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR THE SUBSEQUENT ONES.
I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD BOTH THEM INCLUDED.
BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IN, IN THE PUBLIC FORUM ABOUT ONE FOR SURE.
SO WE'RE, WE'VE COVERING THE, THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO CHIME IN ON AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
BUT IT, IT'S SUBSEQUENT ONES THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING.
STEVEN, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WANTED A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE WENT MOVED FORWARD WITH ANOTHER LOCATION.
ISN'T THAT WHAT I THOUGHT? I HEARD YOU SAY FOUR.
WHAT? WHAT'S NOT ALREADY? WHAT, WHAT WAS IT? WAS IT, WE GOT THREE LISTED.
IS IT WHAT WASN'T ALREADY SPOKE, SPOKEN ABOUT? WE'VE ALREADY REMEMBER THE SHERIFF TALKED ABOUT VICTORY BOULEVARD IN 17 DEFINITE PERIOD.
BUT HE ALSO IN, IN THE SAME CONVERSATION WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED, THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS.
SO SINCE WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT, IT'S OPEN, IT'S PUBLIC.
I I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO ONE AT A TIME AND THEN COME BACK AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH SUB SUBSEQUENT LIGHT, BUT AGREED.
BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING THAT PUBLIC HEARING NOW FOR, FOR THREE.
NO, THIS ISN'T COVERED AT ALL.
I'M LOOKING WHERE'S THE PUBLIC? WELL, WHERE'S THE PUBLIC? THIS HAS NOT, WHERE'S THE PUBLIC ON THE FIRST ONE? WELL, I DON'T SEE TO ME, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PIGGYBACK, WE'RE GONNA PIGGYBACK ON IT AND SAY THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THEN YOU'RE, THEN YOU'RE AGAINST THE WHOLE THING.
WELL, NO, NO, YOU JUST, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU'RE AGAINST THE WHOLE THING.
THE WAY YOU'RE SAYING IT IS THAT 'CAUSE THE SHERIFF'S ALREADY BEEN TALKING TO US ABOUT IT.
AND THAT, MY POINT IS, LET THE SHERIFF GO AHEAD AND DO THIS STUFF.
BUT WHERE, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE HILL TO CLIMB HERE, THEN I WILL BE AGAINST IT.
WELL, I'M, I I WOULD LIKE TO, IF THERE'S A MINIMUM, I WANT 1 34 AND, AND I, AND, UH, VICTORY IN THERE BECAUSE THAT TO IS THE SECOND, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING.
WE WERE DOING 1 34 AND 17 SAID 1 34 AND 17 DOING 1 34 AND VICTORY.
VICTORY ONE 30 DOING, I WANT 1 34 IN VICTORY IN THERE BECAUSE WE GOT RIGHT NOW, 1, 3, 4, AND 17.
AND FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS, 1, 3, 4, AND 17, OR EXCUSE ME, 1, 3, 4 IN VICTORY IS JUST AS BAD.
ONE OF THE OTHER TWO I SAID WE WERE GONNA STUDY.
HOW SOON DO YOU THINK THOSE STUDIES WILL BE DONE? DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUGH IDEA? I'M NOT, I'M NOT DOING, THIS IS TOO FAST.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? IT'LL TAKE 30 TO 45 DAYS FOR THEM TO PUT THE EQUIP, HAVE TO DO THE ONE.
I HAVE TO WORK WITH VDOT ON THAT AS WELL FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT UP.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THIS SUBJECT? SEE YOU.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ANY ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? WELL, WE NEED TO MOVE IT AND THEN, THEN HAVE DISCUSSION.
WELL I MOVE, UH, ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 24 R ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO WE NEED DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE CONTENTION ON EXACTLY HOW, HOW MUCH THIS IS GONNA COVER TONIGHT.
AND THE DISCUSSION IS, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO COVER JUST THE ONE TONIGHT AND THEN SUBSEQUENT ONES WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT YOUR ARGUMENT THAT YOU MADE INVALIDATES WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
WHAT ARGUMENT DID I MAKE THAT INVALIDATES IT? YOU SAID THAT YOU JUST, OR
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THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.WELL, WHAT DOES THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THE FIRST ONE? DOESN'T MATTER.
THIS THING WAS ADDED AS AN NAR.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOESNT MATTER? OF COURSE, COURSE IT MATTERS.
THE FIRST ONE, THE FIRST ONE WAS ADVERTISED.
WAS IT ADVERTISED? WAS I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE, THE ADJUSTMENT.
IT IT WAS NOT THE, THE, THE, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING EXCEPT FOR THE ENABLING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE, WE, BUT THEY SUBMITTED WHAT WE DID, WHAT WE, WHAT WE PUBLISHED AND WHAT WAS PRESENTED FOR IT.
THE ADDITION OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT'S BEEN, BEEN ADDED AS AT THE REQUEST OF MR. RONE.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY TO THAT, THERE IS A EXEMPTION TO THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE ONE INTERSECTION.
THE AND AND THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING TWO OTHERS.
MY POINT IS THAT YOU, YOU APPROVE THE AGENDA.
IN THE AGENDA IS, IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
BUT THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.
IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHY IT'S AN R BECAUSE IT'S BEEN INCLUDED AS AN, AS AN R.
NOW IT'S AN R BECAUSE YOU PUT, YOU WANT THE THING ON 17 AND, AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT STEVE'S PROPOSED IS BECAUSE THE SHERIFF HAS TALKED TO ALL OF US AND WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW, ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? HE TALKED TO ALL OF YOU.
HE DIDN'T TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS.
HE STOOD UP HERE AND TALKED TO ALL OF US.
HE SEEM TO NOT GRASPED ASIG THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A, A MODIFICATION OF THE RESOLUTION HERE.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT HE'S MAKING THAT WE WE'RE SAYING IN HERE, THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS A RESOLUTION.
WHAT WITH THE R WAS TO GET 17, JUST GO AHEAD AND PROVE 17 AND VICTORY BOULEVARD AND WHAT? BUT THE SHERIFF HAS MADE, MADE MULTIPLE COMMENTS OVER THE ISSUE OF THESE OTHER TWO INTERSECTIONS.
AND WE KNOW DAMN WELL THAT 1 34 IN VICTORY IS THE SECOND MOST DANGEROUS, IF NOT EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN 17.
YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR ALMOST THREE DECADES.
SO IF, IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER ALL THREE, WHAT IF WE TABLE THIS UNTIL HE GETS THIS SECOND, TWO STUDIES DONE.
HE JUST SAID 30 TO 45 DAYS AND THEN WE CAN WRAP 'EM ALL UP IN ONE.
WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON EACH ONE OF THEM WITHOUT KNOWING AS THE DATA COMES, WITHOUT KNOWING HOW SUCCESSFUL THE FIRST ONE IS.
NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YES IT DOES.
THE SHERIFF JUST TOLD US WHAT THE REDUCTION IS ACROSS THE BOARD.
I MEAN, ACCORDING TO WHAT HE SHARED WITH US EARLIER.
SO IF IT WORKS AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT, I'D LIKE TO VOTE FOR ALL THREE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE STUDY DONE THAT SAYS, YES, HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND VICTORY IS ALMOST AS BAD OR WORSE THAN 17 IN VICTORY.
AND IF FORT USES STACKS UP THAT WAY, THEN WE CAN WRAP IT ALL UP IN ONE AT ONE TIME INSTEAD OF HAVING, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY OF IT AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE STUDY OF IT.
AND IF WE APPROVE THIS WITHOUT THE STUDY, THE STUDY AFTER THE FACT, I, I DON'T THINK YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ENABLE, THIS IS ENABLING LEGISLATION FOR US.
SO THE QUESTION IS THEN, SHERIFF, YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
IS THIS GONNA SLOW YOU DOWN IF WE TABLE IT? OF COURSE IT'S OF COURSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO START THESE, START THIS PROCESS.
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
THE STUDY THAT I HAD DONE IN THE SPRING, THE COMPANY WOULD DO IT FOR FREE.
YOU CAN'T FIND ANY VENDORS NOW THAT WON'T DO THAT STUDY BECAUSE OF THE COST THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THEM TO PUT THIS EQUIPMENT UP AND TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH VO.
SO UNTIL WE FIND A VENDOR, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP AFTER TONIGHT, IF YOU APPROVED IT MOVING FORWARD WITH ROUTE 17 AND VICTORY IS THE PRIMARY ONE, THEN I WOULD ASK THAT SAME VICTOR, THAT SAME VENDOR, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE OTHER TWO STUDIES.
AND THEY'LL DO THAT ONCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM.
I, THEY WON'T DO THAT UNTIL WE SIGN A CONTRACT.
MR. ROW, IF I WERE TO PULL THE RESOLUTION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OR WITH THE, WITH THE REVISION AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT? WELL, THAT RUNS INTO THE, THE PROBLEM I'M TRYING TO AVOID WHEN YOU GET PAST THESE THREE COULD BE YEARS FROM NOW, BEFORE ANOTHER ONE MAY, ANOTHER INTERSECTION MAY NEED ATTENTION AND THE RA WAY, THE RESOLUTION OR ORIGINALLY WRITTEN, WE WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN THE NEXT ONE.
THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN THE NEXT ONE.
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AND IT MAY NOT EVEN BE THIS BOARD THAT EVEN IS EVEN EVOLVED AT THAT POINT.AND I, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE A VOICE AND SOME THOUGHT PROCESS INTO THE INSULATION OF FURTHER LIGHTS.
NOW I, LIKE I SAID, I'M OKAY WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT, AT 17 AND VICTORY.
AND I'M OKAY WITH THE STUDIES FOR THE OTHER TWO LOCATIONS AND SEE WHAT THE STUDY COMES, COMES BACK WITH WHETHER WE IMPLEMENT OR NOT.
I'M JUST SAYING TONIGHT WE CAN APPROVE 17 IN VICTORY AND GO FORWARD WITH THE STUDY.
THAT'S, AND THEN IF THE STUDY COMES BACK RECOMMENDING IT, THEN WE'VE ALREADY COVERED EVERYTHING.
IT, ANYTHING AFTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, NEED TO COME BACK FOR REVIEW AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING BY BY RE BY REMOVING THAT, I MEAN CERTAINLY WHAT IT WAS FOR, BUT THEN WE'RE, WE'RE BETTER OFF.
WE WERE, OR ORIGINALLY WE'RE STUCK ON THE CHANGE, THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION I BELIEVE WE ALL SUPPORT.
SO I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.
WELL, YOU VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION IS ONE THING.
YOU CAN HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VOTES.
THAT'S, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TAKE, I'M NOT GONNA TABLE THIS.
I WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT I WOULD TAKE ALL OF THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TO MAKE IT, WHATEVER, GET THIS THING GOING.
BUT I'M, I'M THINKING TO ME, WHAT'S, WHY HOLD THESE THINGS UP? I MEAN, I DON'T, I I DON'T, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A GREAT, UH, SWELL OF, OF PROTEST AGAINST, UH, THESE CAMERAS FOR, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT DRIVES DOWN THESE ROADS ALREADY EXPERIENCES THIS.
I'M, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF GOING FORWARD.
I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD A PATH THAT GETS US THERE.
AND I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THREE AND I WANT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL AND I'D SAY ELIMINATE THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT ENTIRELY.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, RESOLUTION CALLS FOR.
IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE GOING FORWARD WITH THREE, THEN I'D SAY TAKE AWAY YOUR, YOUR CONDITION TO RESTRICT ANY OF THEM.
SO STEVEN, UNDER, UNDER THE OH, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
SO UNDER THE REVISION, STEVEN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL IT COME BACK ONCE THE STUDY'S DONE, DOES IT COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL? THAT'S WHAT, FOR THE NEXT LOCATION.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
OR BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR THAT IN HERE.
I HEAR THAT AS WE'RE JUST GIVEN, UH, PERMISSION FOR ALL THREE LOCATIONS.
THAT'S IF THE STUDY COMES BACK AND PROVES THIS SUPPORTS IT.
BUT WHO MAKES THAT DECISION WITH THE PROVISION THAT SHERIFF MONTGOMERY HAS TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD RIGHT.
AND THEN WHO MAKES THAT DECISION WHEN HE COMES BACK TO, TO ADVISE US? IS THAT THE BOARD'S DECISION? LET, LET, LET'S, LET'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT THAT NEEDS THIS TYPE OF ATTENTION? NO.
IF, IF THE STUDY COMES BACK THAT SHOW THE NUMBERS SHOW THAT IT NEEDS THE SAME ATTENTION.
DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULD PUT A CAMERA UP THERE? NO.
I, OKAY, SAME THING WITH FORT USELESS AND 17.
DOES ANYBODY TONIGHT DISAGREE THAT IF THE, IF THE NUMBERS COME BACK TO SHOW THAT IT NEEDS IT? DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE BY PUTTING A CAMERA UP THERE? NO.
SO WE'VE ALREADY COVERED, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN OUR APPROVAL FOR IT TONIGHT FOR THOSE THREE LOCATIONS.
IT'S THE UNKNOWN BEYOND THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO COME BACK.
IS THE BOARD IN PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYTHING BEYOND THOSE THREE? RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT IF THE STUDY SUPPORT IT TO PUT, PUT CAMERAS UP THERE ON THE, ON THOSE THREE LOCATIONS, SO THAT'S ALL COVERED.
IT'S BEYOND THAT IS WHERE I WANT SOME, SOME GOD RAIL SETUP UP.
RIGHT? SO, SO IF WE, IF WE AGREE WITH THIS, UM, IF REVISION, ADD THE TWO LOCATIONS, THEN, THEN WE, WE, WE JUST GAVE HER APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, NOT, DIDN'T, DIDN'T DO THE ROLL CALL, WE JUST GAVE HER APPROVAL, PUT RED LIGHT CAMERAS THERE IF THE, IF THE STUDY SUPPORTED.
SO LET'S JUST CODIFY THAT AND BE DONE.
AND THEN ANYTHING AFTER THE, THOSE THREE HAS TO COME BACK.
WHICH COULD BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IT COULD BE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND WE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LETTING THE SHERIFF BE THE SHERIFF AND WE'VE GIVING, AND WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN HIM THE, YOU KNOW, CARTE BLANCHE BASICALLY ON THE SCHOOL CAMERAS.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS A, THAT BIG, A BIG A THING.
WHERE ARE WE? WELL, WE'VE HAD A MOTION TO TABLE, SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT FIRST.
I, I, I WITHDRAW THAT BECAUSE I, I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE HAD TO GET UNDER CONTRACT BEFORE WE GET THE SECOND STUDY DONE.
I DON'T WANNA HOLD THAT PROGRESS UP.
ARE YOU GONNA TAKE THAT BACK TO TABLING, WITHDRAW? SO THE RESOLUTION NOW WOULD HAVE ALL, WELL, ALL THREE.
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WITH THE B STUDY.AND IF THE STUDY WORKS, GREAT.
IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEY DON'T GET A LIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE THING.
THEN THE LIGHT SEVEN WOULD COME BACK LATER, THEN THAT FALLS INTO THE FUTURE, RIGHT? EXACTLY.
SO I'VE ALREADY RAISED THAT RIGHT RESOLUTION.
SO IT'S ANYBODY GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION? I DID.
AND THAT IS WITH ALL THREE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 24 R INCORPORATING TRAFFIC SIGNAL VIOLATION MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT INTO THE COUNTY CODE AS AMENDED.
[6. Grant of Permission to Work Over Permanent County Easements: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution No. R25-138 to authorize the County Administrator to execute documents permitting Virginia Natural Gas to locate and maintain equipment within a permanent County-owned easement located at 806 A Calthrop Neck Road, Yorktown. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Map – Easement for R25-138 (806A Calthrop Neck Road) c. VNG Scope of Work d. Proposed Resolution R25-138]
NUMBER NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS, UH, GRAND MISSION TO WORK OVER PERMANENT COUNTY EASEMENT.AND THIS IS A PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 1 38 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE DOCUMENTS PERMITTING VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS TO LOCATE AND MAINTAIN EQUIPMENT WITHIN COUNTY OWNED EASEMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY GONNA PRESENT THIS? SURE.
I AM AN ENGINEER WORKING FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT MATTERS ON THIS TOPIC.
SO THIS TOPIC, SUBJECT, I'M, I'M GONNA BE OLD SCHOOL AND ACTUALLY READ THE MEMO.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FANCY, UH, MATERIAL PRESENTED, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS GONNA BE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, SO GRANTED PERMISSION TO WORK OVER PERMANENT COUNTY EASEMENTS AT 8 0 6 A CALTHORPE NECK ROAD.
UM, SO EARLIER THIS SUMMER, VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS REPRESENTATIVE REACHED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TO INQUIRE ABOUT INSTALLING A GAS PIPELINE WITH AN EXISTING COUNTY UTILITY EASEMENT.
THIS GAS PIPELINE WILL BE USED TO SERVICE A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED RESIDENCE, GIVEN THAT THERE IS A COUNTY VACUUM SEWER REMAIN WITHIN THE EASEMENT.
THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS REVIEWED THE REQUEST FROM VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS FROM AN O AND M OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT.
AFTER REVIEW, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AGREED THAT INSTALLING THE GAS LINE 10 FOOT AWAY FROM THE EXISTING VACUUM MAIN WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH ONGOING O AND M.
HOWEVER, THIS STILL REQUIRES THE PLACEMENT OF A PRIVATE UTILITY AND A PUBLIC EASEMENT REQUIRING AN ASSIGNMENT OF RIGHTS.
AND I, I MIGHT LEAN ON SOME OF MY, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY, UH, COLLEAGUES HERE TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT BUTCHERING THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS.
BUT, UM, WITH THAT THERE, UH, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT WILL GIVE, UH, VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS PRETTY MUCH THE RIGHT TO INSTALL IT SERVICE LINE TO PROVIDE NATURAL GAS TO THE RESIDENTS AT EIGHT OF SIX A CATHERINE NECK ROAD.
IS THERE ANYONE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SEE, YES.
MAD GENTLEMAN, MEMBER OF THE BOARDS.
MY NAME IS RICK WEST, EXCUSE ME.
GETTING OVER A, GETTING OVER A COLD.
MY NAME IS RICK WEST AND I'M A PARTNER IN J AND R.
WE ARE BUILDING THE HOUSE AT 8 0 6 A AND WE OWNED THE LOT.
UH, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT TO MOVE THE PEOPLE IN AT THE END OF THIS MONTH WITH GAS STOVE, GAS HEATER, AND GAS FIREPLACE.
SO I ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARE TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL MOVE IT.
THAT'S, UM, I MEAN SIX, RIGHT? R 25.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 38 AS PRESENTED.
[7. Grant of Permission to Work Over Permanent County Easements: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution Nos. R25-139 and R25-140 to authorize the County Administrator to execute documents granting Dominion Energy rights to perform utility work underground, above ground, and in aerial space, all within a permanent County easement located at 1708 Baptist Road and 309 Z Gallow Way, thereby allowing Dominion Energy to perform work necessary for the improvement of a County Pump Station located at 1800 Baptist Road. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Map – Easement for 1708 Baptist Road c. Map – Easement for 309Z Gallop Way d. Map – Entire Property for 309Z Gallop Way e. Proposed Resolution R25-139 f. Proposed Resolution R25-140 ]
NEXT ONE IS GRANT PERMISSION TO WORK OVER PERMANENT COUNTY EASEMENT AGAIN, AND THAT'S RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 1 39 AND R 25 1 40 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE, EXECUTE DOCUMENTS GRANTING DOMINION ENERGY RIGHTS TO PERFORM UTILITY WORK, ET CETERA, AND SO FORTH.ON 1708 BAPTIST ROAD AND 3 0 9 Z GALLOWAY.
EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR? YES, MS. MR. BELLAMY.
TYPICALLY OUR SCREEN SHARE SHOW'S BEING BROADCAST OUT TO THE AUDIENCE, BUT ALL I'VE BEEN SEEING FOR THE PAST FEW MINUTES HAS BEEN AND NOW THE CHANGE.
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OKAY.I JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING BROADCAST OUT TO THE WORLD.
THIS IS TWO RESOLUTIONS AND PRETTY MUCH THIS IS THE SAME THING, BUT A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY ONE OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
WE NEED TO RUN A FANCIER ELECTRICAL THROUGH EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENTS TO ONE OF OUR PUMP STATIONS TO SUPPORT THE UPGRADE OF ONE OF OUR PUMPS.
SO, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS IS COORDINATING ON UPGRADING POWER TO ONE OF ITS SEWER PUMP STATIONS.
THIS UPGRADE INVOLVES EXTENDING FOUR 80 VOLT, THREE PHASE POWER FROM EXISTING POWER PALM BAPTIST ROAD THROUGH EXISTING COUNTY UTILITY EASEMENTS.
DOMINION POWER HAS, UH, REQUESTED THE RIGHTS FROM THE COUNTY TO USE ITS EASEMENTS.
THE EASEMENT IS LOCATED OVER TWO PROPERTIES, 1708 BAPTIST ROAD AND 3 0 9 Z GALLUP WAY, WHICH REQUIRES TWO SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS.
SO I RECOMMEND THE BOARD APPROVE BOTH RE RESOLUTIONS AS PROPOSED APPROVAL OF BOTH WILL ALLOW THE PROJECT TO PROCEED WITH THE NECESSARY POWER UPGRADES WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR THE NEW PUMPS AND ULTIMATELY THE STATION.
IF NOT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK? SEE NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? DO WE MOVE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME OR VOTE ONE AFTER OTHER? SO, SO I'LL MOVE MARK.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. R IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 1 39 AS PRESENTED.
AND NOW I'LL THE MOTION R 29 1 40.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH ONE 40 S PRESENTED.
[8. Purchasing Ordinance Updates. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 25-23 to amend Chapter 2.1 – Procurements, York County Code, to make certain clarifying and technical amendments to York County’s procurement Code and to add provisions conforming the Code with Section 2.2-4311.3 of the Code of Virginia. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-23 ]
THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS OUR SEVENTH PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS SUBJECT.
UH, AND IT IS TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, 25 23 TO AMEND CHAPTER 21 OF THE PROCUREMENT OF YORK COUNTY CODE.
AND I THINK I HAVE THERESA GONNA SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE'RE JUST HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TO, TO MAKE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE, UM, OF THE COUNTY CODE.
UM, SO WE NEEDED TO MAKE THESE CHANGES TO ALIGN OR CONFORM TO THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT.
AND SINCE THESE CHANGES HAD TO BE MADE TO ALIGN TO IT, WE THOUGHT WE'D TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS TO IMPROVE THE CLARITY, FLEXIBILITY, AND EFFICIENCY OF, OF THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE.
SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE DOING IS CHANGING, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ALIGN TO THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC PROCUREMENT ACT.
AND THOSE THINGS, UM, INCLUDE OUTLINING THE PROCESS FOR SOLICITATION OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UM, AND THESE SERVICES INCLUDE, UM, ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF MINOR CHANGES THERE, AND THE OTHER CHANGE INVOLVES, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH STATE CODE FOR CONTRACT FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY CONTRACTS.
AND WE'RE DOING THIS BASICALLY TO COMPLY WITH A NEW STATE CODE AS IT RELATES TO THOSE CONTRACTS.
IN ADDITION, WE'RE DOING A FEW ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES.
THOSE INCLUDE UPDATING THE DEFINITIONS FOR SOLE SOURCE EMERGENCY AND EXTENS, I CAN'T SAY THAT WORD, I'M SO SORRY TO PUT THEM IN THE DEFINITION SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE.
UM, NOTIFICATION OF THE BOARD FOR EMERGENCY PURCHASES.
WE'RE CLARIFYING THE INFORMAL PROCESS TO ALLOW VENDORS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THEM TO, UH, DO BUSINESSES FOR, UM, BIDS THAT ARE LESS THAN $50,000.
WE'RE REMOVING SOME CONSTRUCTION LANGUAGE FOR FLEXIBILITY AND OUTDATED REFERENCES FOR PREQUALIFICATION.
AND WE'RE ALSO EXPANDING, UM, LIBRARY MATERIAL TO INCLUDE ITEMS THAT ARE OTHER THAN BOOKS.
OTHER MEDIA TO BE ABLE TO SELL THOSE FOR SURPLUS.
THAT'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE, MAYBE AN EXAMPLE OF THE EXIGENCY.
SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY MAYBE THE COVID, SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH COVID OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING IN AN EMERGENCY
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THAT WOULD OTHERWISE COME TO THE BOARD THAT WAS I UNDERSTAND.EMERGENCY, BUT, AND THAT'S WELL COVERED AND I DON'T HAVE AN EXCEPTION THERE, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SECOND ONE.
SO WHAT EXAMPLES WOULD WE HAVE UNDER EXIGENCY THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO NOT HELL USE A COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
IT'S NOT, UM, I'M GONNA ASK SOMEBODY.
UH, BETH, DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE? BETH IS OUR NEW CHIEF OF PROCUREMENT.
I'M NOT SURE OF AN EXAMPLE, BUT SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T, I WE, WE VERY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER HAD ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN EIGHT YEARS, SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOR IN, IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, SO WE COULD USE THAT INTERCHANGEABLY WITH EMERGENCY, BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, AND, AND PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY.
SO WE HAVE A LARGE NATURAL EMERGENCY THAT WOULD BE CHIEF NEEDS TO GO GET SOME GENERATORS TO GET PE GET THE HOSPITAL UP AND RUNNING.
HE'S GONNA FIND THE FIRST ONE HE CAN GET AND NOT GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.
UM, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD YEAH, THAT'S EMERGENCY.
WELL DESCRIBE EMERGENCY, ANYTHING PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED.
SO, UM, MASS SHOOTINGS, UM, ANYTHING THAT I COULD LINK TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WE WOULD USE THAT TERM.
THEN, THEN, THEN THEY KIND OF USE INTERCHANGEABLY THEN AT THAT THEY'RE USING THEM INTERCHANGEABLY.
I THINK THE PROPER TERM IS EXIGENCY.
YEAH, IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE, BUT I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM EMERGENCY.
IT'S VERY AN EMERGENCY, NOT VERY URGENT.
IF I MAY, BOTH TERMS ARE DEFINED.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SAY THAT AGAIN? GO AHEAD.
BOTH TERMS ARE DEFINED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AT THE BEGINNING UNDER DEFINITIONS.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED FOR ME.
I I'M JUST NOTING THAT THEY'RE DEFINED AND THEY, THEY'RE DEFINED AS DIFFERENT THINGS.
IS IT A LEGAL TERM? SO, I MEAN, LOOK, I GUESS THE, THE ONE EMERGENCY SAYS THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY.
UH, AND EXIGENCY IS OKAY, SERIOUS TO AVOID HARM OR INJURY OR FINANCIAL, PREVENT OR ALLEVIATE SERIOUS HARM OR INJURY, FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE TO THE COUNTY.
SO ONE TO THE COUNTY AND ONE TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? I, YES.
THE AND THE USE OF COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROPOSALS WOULD PREVENT.
AND, AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT'S THE SAME AS THE FIRST, SO JUST CAN'T IMAGINE.
SO IT'S VICE VERSA, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, EXIGENCY IS FOR THE COUNTY AND THE EMERGENCY IS FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE NOT HAD TO USE THAT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IT NOT BEING AN EMERGENCY WHEN YOU'RE YEAH, ME NEITHER.
THEY BEEN, THE WORLD DEFINES IT AS, AS SOMETHING INTRINSIC TO THE CHARACTER OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY COULD BE ANYWHERE LIKE YOU SAID.
THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CHARACTERISTIC? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY, ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY SO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL MOVE 25 DASH 23.
ONLY IF YOU'D SAY THE WORD ROLL CALL.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT POST ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 23 APPROVING AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED.
AND THEN WE HAVE A CLOSE MEETING.
CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING JUST TO MAYBE TO CLARIFY THAT THAT LITTLE CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD EXIGENCY DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AN EMERGENCY.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS.
IT'S GONNA COST US FINANCIALLY, BUT IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND DO IT TODAY.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING URGENT THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WHERE EMERGENCY IS YOU'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.
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MR. ROY.SO FIRST ONE IS FOR PERSONNEL IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 71 A 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
AND THE SECOND, UH, MOTION IS PROTECTION OF PRIVACY OF INDIVIDUALS.
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NOW IT'S PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS, ISN'T IT? EXCUSE ME.IT'S PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS ISN'T MARK.
SO IT SHOULD READ PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A FIVE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO DISCUSS A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY EXPANSION ON AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE.
I'LL AURN THE TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE BOARD SUPERVISOR WILL MEET AT 6:00 PM OCTOBER 7TH IN THE EAST ROOM OF YOUR CALL.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.