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[1. Call to Order]
WE'LL CALL THE SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ARE ALL MATTERS OF MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
RIGHT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MR. KRINER BACK, OR I'M SORRY, MR. TITUS BACK TO, UH,
[4. Approve Minutes – August 13, 2025]
SO, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? ALRIGHT.
THE MOTION BY MR. SMITH IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AFTER THE REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 13TH, 2025.
[5. Citizen Comments]
ALRIGHT.AT THIS TIME IS THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
THAT'S FOR ANY CITIZEN WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE.
[Application No. UP-1057-25, Riverside Heating and Air Conditioning: Request to re-authorize a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 [Category 15, No. 4(b)] of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to establish a contractor’s shop with outdoor/exposed storage on a 2.2-acre parcel located at 8529 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17). The property is zoned GB (General Business) and is designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan. Staff Planner, Madison Scalf, Planner]
OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING APPLICATION UP 10 57 DASH 25.ALRIGHT, SO THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY RIVERSIDE HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR SLASH EXPOSED STORAGE AT 8 5 2 9 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON ROUTE 17 AND IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS WITH A DESIGNATION FOR GENERAL BUSINESS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SITE IS BORDERED TO THE WEST AND NORTH BY EDGEHILL, WHICH IS ZONED R 20 OR MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE TWO PARCELS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ACROSS COLTON ROAD.
THE EASTERN MOST DWELLING IS ILLEGALLY NON-CONFORMING RESIDENTIAL USE ON A PARCEL ZONE.
GB EAST ACROSS ROUTE 17 IS YORKTOWN PUBLIC LIBRARY IN SERVICEMASTER RESTORE A RESTORATION BUSINESS.
AND LASTLY, TO THE SOUTH IS CLIFF'S TIRE AND AUTO CENTER.
IT'S AN AUTO REPAIR GARAGE BUSINESS.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REAUTHORIZATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2022, UH, FOR AN HVAC CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE.
THE PROPOSAL NOW INCLUDES A 13,200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE SPACE TO SUPPORT DAILY OPERATIONS ALONG WITH A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT GRAVEL LAY DOWN AREA ENCLOSED BY A PRIVACY FENCE AND CONNECTED TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
A SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL SUP APPROVAL AND WAS APPROVED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON APRIL 1ST, 2024.
UM, AND BUILDING PERMITS WERE ISSUED THIS PAST JULY.
LAND DISTURBANCES HAVE ALREADY BEGUN FOR THE CONTRACTOR SHOP, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THIS SEP REQUEST APPLIES STRICTLY TO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD.
MOST OF THE LAND USE CHARACTERISTICS AND CONSIDERATIONS REVIEWED DURING THE ORIGINAL SEP PROCESS REMAIN UNCHANGED.
AND AS A RESULT, MANY OF THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS ARE CARRIED FORWARD, UH, INTO THE
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NEW REQUEST.ACCORDING TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, THE STORAGE YARD WILL BE LOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND ASSESSED, UH, ACCESS THROUGH A 20 FOOT WIDE GATE ON THE BUILDING'S LEFT SIDE FACING COLTON ROAD.
UM, AN EIGHT FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE SCREENED WITH EVERGREEN PLANTINGS WILL PROVIDE VISUAL BUFFERING FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.
VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED BY TWO DRIVEWAYS CONNECTING THE PARKING AREA TO COCKLE TOWN ROAD.
THE APPROVED SITE PLAN SHOWS BOTH DRIVEWAYS MEASURING 35 FEET AND 33 FEET, UH, MEET VDOT ENTRANCE STANDARDS AND OUR DESIGNED FOR TWO-WAY TRAFFIC TO PREVENT TRUCK TRAFFIC FROM ENTERING NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SIGNAGE AT EACH ENTRANCE, UH, WILL RESTRICT RESTRICT LEFT TURNS FOR TRUCKS AND IN ACCORDANCE, UH, WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, A MINIMUM OF 12 PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED FOR THE THE COMBINED USES.
THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN PROVIDES 38 SPACES IN TOTAL, INCLUDING TWO A DA COMPLIANCE SPACES.
ACCORDING TO THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL PUBLISHED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 82.5 VEHICLE TRIPS PER WEEKDAY.
UM, USING VDO T'S 2023 TRAFFIC DATA STAFF DOES NOT EXPECT ANY NOTICEABLE IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
SINCE MOST VEHICLES TRAVELING TO THE SITE WOULD USE THE SECTION OF COLTON ROAD BETWEEN ROUTE 17 AND THE BUSINESS ENTRANCES.
NOW TO GO INTO VISUAL IMPACTS, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS FOR CONTRACTOR SHOPS BE DESIGNED AND LOCATED SO AS TO MINIMIZE VISUAL IMPACTS ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAYS.
ACCORDING TO THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, THE STORAGE YARD WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE BUILDING AND ENCLOSED BY OPAQUE FENCING AT LEAST EIGHT FEET TALL AND FURTHER SCREENED BY EVERGREEN CHEESE WITH, WITH FULL TO THE GROUND BRANCHING PLANTED OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO CONFIRMED THAT NO STORED MATERIALS WILL EXTEND ABOVE THE FENCE LINE AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REINFORCE THIS REQUIREMENT.
A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS REQUIRED ALONG THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY LINES WHERE THE SITE ADJOINS THE R 20 DISTRICT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR HOMES ACROSS COLTON ROAD.
STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT THE BUFFER PLANTINGS ALSO EXTEND ALONG THE PROPERTY'S FULL COLTON ROAD FRONTAGE.
THIS 35 FOOT BUFFER IS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN AND IT SATISFIES THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS.
AND LASTLY, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY LIES WITHIN THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE PROJECT IS ALSO SUBJECT TO STANDARDS FOR BUILDING DESIGN MATERIALS AND COLORS.
UPDATED RENDERING SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IMPROVE UPON THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL 2022 SUBMITTAL AND COMPLY WITH ALL OF ROUTE 17 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN CONCLUSION, OH WAIT, HERE'S A COUPLE PICTURES OF THE RENDERINGS.
THIS IS FROM COCKLE TOWN ROAD, UM, AND THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW COMING FROM ROUTE 17.
UH, SO IN CONCLUSION, UH, THIS APPLICATION SEEKS REAUTHORIZATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO STAFF DOES NOT ANTICIPATE IMPACTS TO EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THE REQUIRED BILL, UH, BUFFERING CONSISTING OF A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, OPAQUE FENCING AND EVERGREEN PLANTINGS WILL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO DUE TO THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 22.
SO THANK YOU AND I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS, UH, THE MAY HAVE
ANY QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS JUST A LAY DOWN YARD.
THERE'S NO PRODUCTION, THERE'S NO NOISE COMING FROM THIS? NO, IT'S JUST STORAGE.
DID YOU, WE, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND OUT THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION THAT I ASKED THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THE ROAD? YES.
UH, SO, UM, RICH ROAD WITH THE DUNKIN DONUTS, UM, THAT ROAD, UH, IS NOT CONSIDERED, UM, A MAJOR COLLECTOR OR HIGHER ORDER ROAD.
SO FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, UM, PER THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WE HAVE IN THE CODE, UM, DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, UH, THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO STREETS THAT ARE CONSIDERED MAJOR COLLECTOR OR A HIGHER ORDER.
AND SO RICH ROAD IS NOT CONSIDERED THAT COCO TAN ROAD WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT, SORRY, COCO TOWN ROAD WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR COLLECTOR.
WELL SINCE COCO, WELL SINCE RIVERSIDE HEATING, UM, AND AIR CONDITIONING ISN'T, UM, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT,
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IT DOESN'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE SAME PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR, UM, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND THEN THE FAST FOOD.
ANYBODY DOWN HERE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND WITH THAT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'VE GOT ONE PERSON, WHICH IS TO SPEAK, UM, TAYLOR ROWE.
AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO USE IT ALL.
MY NAME IS TAYLOR ROWE, OWNER OF RIVERSIDE HEATING AND AIR, UH, LIVE AT 3 3 2 7.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE.
ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? WITH THAT I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND INPUT FROM, UH, I, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE APPLICATION.
I THINK IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS.
I JUST WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED BECAUSE IT WAS JUST, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT.
THE QUESTION I'D ASKED EARLIER, WHETHER SHE AN, YOU KNOW, SHE ANSWERED TONIGHT WAS THAT I GOT ASKED OR AT DUNKING DONUTS ABOUT HOW COME THEY COULDN'T HAVE AN ENTRANCE ONTO RICH ROAD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO DOWN AND TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AROUND.
SO I SAID, UH, AND THEN I FOUND OUT IT WAS 'CAUSE IT WAS A CONNECTOR INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT THEN THIS ONE CAME IN AND IT LOOKED ON THE SURFACE.
YOU KNOW, BOTH OF 'EM ARE ROUTE NUMBER ONE SET 3 6 78 AND 1 6 80.
AND WHEN I GO BACK INTO DUNKING DONUTS AGAIN, I WANT TO HAVE A BETTER ANSWER.
MR. ROWE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR BUSINESS IN COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE YOU EXPANDING AND KEEPING YOUR BUSINESS HERE.
WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
I, I I'LL JUST ADD, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPOSAL AND A GREAT BUILDING.
SO WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE PC TWENTY FIVE TWENTY TWO.
THE MOTION BY MR. BROOKS IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 22 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE.
MR. TITUS? YES, MR. BROOKS? YES.
[Application No. UP-1058-25, Yorktown Guns and Ammo LLC: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 10, No. 20) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize firearms sales and service on three parcels with a combined area of 2.02-acres at 108 Hyde Lane (private drive) , 2330 and 2334 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17). These properties are zoned GB (General Business) and are designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan. Staff Planner, Jeanne Carner, Senior Planner]
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE'LL GO ON TO, UH, OUR NEXT APPLICATION, YORKTOWN GUNS AND AMMO.THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY YORKTOWN GUNS AND AMMO IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE AT 1 0 8 HYDE LANE, 2330 AND 2334.
GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY THREE PARCELS ARE SUBJECT TO THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES OF A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES.
ALL THREE PARCELS ARE ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS.
IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE NORTH IS HYDE LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE DRIVE TO THE EAST AND SOUTH IS ENGLISH MOTORS JUNKYARD GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY BOUNDS.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST WITH LEONARD TRUCK OUTFITTERS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION.
WALMART AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND WALGREENS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT ON TWO OF THESE PARCELS INCLUDES A MILITARY SURPLUS RETAIL STORE, A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT, UH, AND A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT AT 2330 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, AS WELL AS A CARETAKER'S UNIT AND THE REMAINDER OF A PARKING LOT AT, UH, 1 0 8 HIGH LANE.
THE THIRD PARCEL 2334, GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY IS UNDEVELOPED.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AUTHORIZATION TO SELL AND SERVICE FIREARMS FROM AN EXISTING 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE, WHICH HE ALREADY OWNS AND OPERATES UNDER THE NAME OF LITTLE GI JOE'S MILITARY SURPLUS.
NO CHANGES TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR STRUCTURE ARE PROPOSED ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 0 6, CATEGORY 10.
NUMBER 20, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS OR GB ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY ENGAGES IN THE SALE SERVICE TRANSFER AND ASSEMBLY OF FIREARMS. AT THE END, THE, THE SALE OF AMMUNITION FROM SAID LOCATION.
THE APPLICANT OBTAINED A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE, UH, FROM THE COUNTY'S COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE IN MAY OF 2024 FOR RETAIL
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SALES OF APPAREL, HUNTING, CAMPING AND AMMO DURING THE SAME MONTH.THE BUSINESS ALSO OBTAINED A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE OR AN FFL FROM THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO FIREARMS AND EXPLOSIVES OR A TF.
THERE IS NO STATEWIDE LICENSING REQUIREMENT FOR SALES AND SERVICE OF FIREARMS IN VIRGINIA.
DURING AN ANNUAL INSPECTION CONDUCTED BY THE A TF IN JUNE OF 2025, AN INVESTIGATOR FROM THE BUREAU CONTACTED THE PLANNING DIVISION TO DETERMINE WHETHER ZONING APPROVAL HAD BEEN OBTAINED FOR FIREARM SALES.
AND IT WAS AT THIS POINT THAT STAFF LEARNED THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ENGAGING IN THE SALE AND SERVICE OF FIREARMS WITHOUT ZONING APPROVAL.
THE APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BRING THE APPLICANT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN A NEW BUSINESS LICENSE THAT INCLUDES THE SALE AND SERVICE OF FIREARMS. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE BUSINESS SECURES ITS STOCK OF FIREARMS IN LOCKED GUN CASES USING STEEL CABLES, UM, WITH PADLOCKS AND IN TWO LARGE SAFES.
THE NARRATIVE ALSO INDICATES THAT THE PROPERTY IS SECURED BY AN A DT SECURITY SYSTEM AND 12 RING CAMERAS POSITIONED TO BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT STATES IN HIS NARRATIVE THAT HE PERSONALLY MONITORS THE CAMERAS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
DURING THE SITE VISIT, STAFF NOTED BARS ON THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND INDICATED THAT THEY HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED USE.
THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OR FLS ALSO REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT BE COMPELLED TO PROVIDE A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR APPROVAL.
PER THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO INITIAL AND ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE CONDUCTED BY FLS STAFF.
UH, IF ANY VIOLATIONS ARE DISCOVERED DURING THE INSPECTIONS, THE BUSINESS SHALL CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS WITHIN THE TIME IDENTIFIED BY THE INSPECTOR.
LETTERS WERE SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS INFORMATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION WAS POSTED TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, AN EMAIL TO THOSE WHO SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS AND A NOTICE, UH, SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
ONE EMAIL WAS RECEIVED FROM A CITIZEN WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING THE SECURITY OF THE FIREARMS AFTER HOURS.
SHE STATED THAT GUNS SHOULD NOT BE STORED IN GLASS CASES WHICH CAN BE SMASHED AND INSTEAD SHOULD BE STORED IN GUN SAFES WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED.
NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AS OF TODAY.
THE PROPOSED FIREARMS SALES AND SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY BUSINESSES OR PROPERTIES.
AND THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE CAPTURES THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS HE HAS IN PLACE TO SECURE AND MONITOR THE ONSITE FIREARMS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD BRING THE APPLICANT INTO COMPLIANCE.
THEREFORE, BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 23.
QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? YEAH, THEY, SO BASICALLY THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE MAY OF 2024.
UH, BUT BASICALLY THIS BUSINESS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS REGISTERED ANY INSTANCES ON RECORD? THE PLANNING DIVISION HASN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS REGARDING IT.
UM, A TF GAVE THEM THE PERMIT TO SELL FIREARMS. IT TOOK THEM A YEAR TO REALIZE THEY NEEDED TO CALL THE PLANNING DIVISION.
UH, I KNOW THE, THE, UH, HANDGUNS ARE IN THE CASE GLASS CASES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CABLED DOWN ALL THE LONG GUNS ON THE WALLS.
ARE THEY ALSO CABLED DOWN? I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEN I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN IT COMES, WHEN IT COMES UP.
SO I WANNA GET SURE WITH LIKE SKIP MAY OF 24 IS THEY GOT THE LICENSE, BUSINESS LICENSE FROM THE COUNTY AND IT DID NOT MENTION GUN FIREARM SALES.
AND THEN WHEN THEY FOUND OUT FROM A TF ON THE SECOND INSPECTION THAT THEY WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THEN THEY SAID, OKAY, WE GOTTA GET AN ORDINANCE.
AND SO THEY STARTED THE PAPERWORK AUGUST, THE SIGN GOES UP IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.
HAVE THEY BEEN SELLING FIREARMS? YES.
EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN OR DO KNOW THAT THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE.
YEAH, THAT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING THOUGH.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FIRST IS THE, UH, TOMMY JACKSON, THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU'D COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, BUT AGAIN, YEAH, MY NAME IS TOMMY JACKSON.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY FOR LIKE 43 YEARS IN THE COUNTY SINCE 1982.
UM, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? YEAH, THE BUSINESS ADDRESS.
UH, EITHER 1 23 30 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL
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HIGHWAY.UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I HEARD A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THE LOCKS AND CABLES.
ALL THE FIREARMS ARE LOCKED DOWN, EVEN THE LONG GUNS TOO.
THERE'S CABLES GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A PADLOCK ON ACTUALLY EVERY WEAPON.
THERE'S A PADLOCK, NOT A TEEN ONE, BUT A FULL-SIZED PADLOCK ON EACH GUN.
AND WHEN YOU SUBMITTED THE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, DID IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU THAT YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING? NO, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL ACTUALLY WHEN A TF CONTACTED US, UH, TO DO THE ANNUAL ONE YEAR INSPECTION.
WELL, AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT YOU SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? YES.
AND AT THAT TIME, YOU, YOU REALIZED YOU WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE F SELLING FIREARMS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
TYPICALLY, WE WEREN'T REALLY SELLING THAT MANY AT THE BEGINNING.
IT WAS MORE TRANSFERS THAN IT WAS SELLING.
UM, SO IT TOOK A WHILE BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED REALLY SELLING, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN SELLING FIREARMS IN THE LAST MONTH? YES.
I ACTUALLY, ON THE LETTER I GOT RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY, IT SAYS THAT IF YOU DON'T GET THIS CORRECTED, YOU'LL HAVE TO CEASE THE OPERATION, CEASE SELLING FIREARMS. OKAY.
IT DIDN'T SAY CEASE SELLING FIREARMS UNTIL YOU GET THE PERMIT.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHY A TF WAITED SO LONG.
I, I NOTICE THERE WAS A COUPLE OF NEW CONDITIONS THAT WERE PLACED, UH, SINCE YOU STARTED OPERATION WITH, UH, FIRE LIFE SAFETY.
HAVE THOSE BEEN MET? WHAT WAS THE CONDITION? UH, YOU HAVE TO REFRESH ME ON ONE WAS HAVING A HAZMAT PLAN.
UH, THAT WAS, THAT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
IF IN THE CASE OF IF I STORED BLACK POWDER, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH WE DON'T CARRY.
FOR HAZMAT PURPOSE, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY DID, UM, THIS IS A STANDARD REQUEST THAT THEY HAVE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
AND, AND YEAH, THEY ASKED FOR, UM, IT WOULD BE FOR AMMUNITION OR, UM, ANY OTHER SORT OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, WHICH I'VE BEEN SELLING FOR YEARS.
I'VE BEEN SELLING GUN PARTS IN AMMO FOR YEARS.
THEY, THEY ASKED FOR, UM, FOR THAT INSPECTION TO HAPPEN.
I I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
SO YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY KIND OF REPAIRS OR ANYTHING TO NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF EVEN A HAZMAT.
HE DID, HE DID COME IN TWICE IN THE PAST WEEK AND THE VERY FIRST TIME WAS ASKING IF WE CARRIED GUNPOWDER, THINGS THAT WERE NOT, THAT WOULD BE HAZMAT.
I JUST HAD A COMMENT, MS. CHAIRMAN AND FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
IT, IT HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT OF A STANDARD PRACTICE IN A PLANNING PROFESSION THAT ONCE SOMEONE FINDS OUT AND REALIZES THAT UH, THEY NEED TO GET A USE PERMIT, MOST OFTEN THEY DON'T KNOW.
AND ONCE THEY FIND OUT, UNLESS IT'S A DIRECT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM, WHATEVER, YOU LET THEM CONTINUE WHILE THE APPLICATION'S BEING REVIEWED AND THEN IF THE BOARD TURNS IT DOWN, YOU GOTTA CEASE ALL OPERATIONS.
SO IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO LET SOMEONE TO CONTINUE ON FORWARD AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT A, AN IMPACT DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND THEM FOR SOME, UH, POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS MISHAP.
THIS IS ALL INDOORS AND MM-HMM
AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOUR AND A HALF DECADES BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE.
BEEN OUT A COUPLE TIMES MYSELF IN THE PLACE.
BUT WERE YOU IN THERE TODAY? I WAS NOT.
OH, SOMEBODY WAS IN THERE TODAY.
WELL, HOW'D YOU LIKE IT? IT WAS MR. TITUS.
EVERYTHING IS LOCKED DOWN IN THERE.
REMEMBER REMOVED FROM BLAST CASES AT NIGHT AND STORED IN A SAFE THAT IF THEY CAN'T BE LOCKED DOWN, THEY'RE LOCKED DURING THE DAY OF THE CASES.
BUT YES, THAT I'M UP 20, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M WATCHING THEM CAMERAS FOUR IN THE MORNING EVERY IN THE MORNING.
I LOVED YOUR COLLECTION OF FIREARMS UP THERE AND THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE FLINTLOCK OR THE MUSKET.
NOT SO, AND THE LITTLE GATLIN YEAH.
I SAID, DAMN, THAT'S KIND OF NEAT.
AND I'M SURPRISED, I THOUGHT YOU'D BEEN SELLING FIREARMS FOR 30 YEARS.
I ONLY STARTED DURING COVID WHEN CELLS PRETTY MUCH TOOK A REALLY SLUMP.
I STARTED, UH, PEOPLE STARTED ASKING THEM, KEPT ASKING ME TO SELL GUN STUFF ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
IT WAS DAILY ABOUT, UM, SO HOW MANY WEAPONS DO YOU HAVE IN THERE? 650
MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT, BUT, WELL THAT'S COUNTING RECEIVERS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF SMALL PIECES TO THAT HAVE TO BE SERIALIZED.
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING I SAID IS WATCHED ALMOST 24 HOURS, I'D SAY 24 HOURS THAT I HAD TO PUT IT ON THE AIRPLANE MODE TO KEEP THE ALARM FROM THE CAMERAS FROM GOING OFF ON MY PHONE.
SO IT'S, I'M WATCHING IT CONSTANTLY.
PLUS AT HOME, A WIDE SCREEN IN MY BEDROOM THAT'S CONSTANTLY MONITORING THE CAMERAS.
IF YOU'RE SO MUCH AS EVEN PULLING THE PROPERTY OR STEP ON IT, THERE'S A CAMERA GOING OFF.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT I HAVE, UH, WILLIAM MILLER.
UM, PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WILLIAM MILLER.
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COVENTRY, UH, I JUST MOVED THERE A MONTH AGO, BUT FOR 25 YEARS I'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS WITH THE JACKSONS, SO I KNOW TOMMY AND THE FAMILY PRETTY GOOD.UH, IN MY OPINION, TOMMY'S HARDWORKING, METICULOUS, UH, HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING.
HE'S CAREFUL ABOUT EVERYTHING.
UH, AND IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY SHORTCUTS, UM, THAT DON'T KNOW MUCH MORE TO SAY OTHER THAN WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT 'EM.
UH, I'M JUST HERE TO SUPPORT 'EM.
AND THEN I HAVE TOMMY JACKSON SECOND.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
JAMES PRICE, 28 24 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
AND, UH, I'VE KNOWN MR. JACKSON A LONG TIME AND BEEN IN HIS STORE MANY, MANY TIMES AND, UM, I, I I AGREE WITH, UH, I HOPE THAT Y'ALL AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO Y'ALL TONIGHT.
UM, I'M WITH HIM A HUNDRED PERCENT.
ANYONE ELSE WITH THAT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S GO THIS WAY AGAIN.
YEAH, THE ONLY THE CONCERN I HAD WAS A TF ISSUED THE PERMIT AND THEN THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE APPLICANT'S DONE WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO AND, AND NOW HE'S TRYING TO CORRECT THAT.
SO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST THAT THE UM, SHERIFF'S OFFICE PROVING EVERYTHING GOES A LONG WAY IN MY MIND.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS AND I THINK YOU'RE RUN A SAFE OPERATION THERE.
BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME IN THE COUNTY.
I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ON THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SELLING FIREARMS FOR THE LAST AT LEAST 60 TO 30 DAYS.
SO, AND UH, SO THAT'S JUST VERY BOTHERSOME FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
ALRIGHT? I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD PROPOSAL.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO FORWARD PC 25 23.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CALL, PLEASE.
MOTION BY MR. SMITH IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 23 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE FIREARM SALES AND SERVICE.
MR. BROOKS? YES, MR. KING? YES.
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UM, WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS,[8. New Business]
NEW BUSINESS?[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
WE'LL GO TO STAFF REPORTS.UH, SO YOU ALL HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORTS.
I'LL JUST POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST.
UH, SO THE BOARD, UH, DEAR DID HEAR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND CLUSTER TECHNIQUE, UH, ORDINANCE CHANGES.
AND THEY HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS, UH, FOR BOTH CAITLYN AND I.
UH, WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AT THE PODIUM THAT NIGHT, UH, TRYING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UM, THEY WERE NOT READY TO PASS IT, SO THEY'VE CONTINUED IT TO THEIR MEETING NEXT WEEK, UM, WHERE WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER CRACK AT, UM, MOVING THAT ORDINANCE FORWARD, UM, WITH THE BOARD.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THEY, UH, UM, YEAH, SORRY.
UM, AND THEN THE BOARD APPROVED THE MINOR MODIFICATION FOR FLIPPING FLEA.
THAT WAS TO KIND OF INCREASE THEIR, UM, SHED STORAGE AREA UP THERE OFF MOTOWN ROAD.
UM, NEXT WEEK THEY'LL HEAR THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND CLUSTER ORDINANCE IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE FORTUNE TELLER.
YOU ALL HAD LAST, UM, LAST MONTH AS FAR AS YOUR SCHEDULE, UH, NEXT MONTH YOU ONLY HAVE ONE APPLICATION FOR A DOGGY DAYCARE UP OFF OF, UH, LIGHTFOOT ROAD UP NEXT TO THE TIMESHARE THAT'S UP THERE.
IT USED TO BE A PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO AND THEY'RE CONVERTING IT TO A, A DOGGY DAYCARE AS A BUSINESS.
THE DOGGY DAYCARE CURRENTLY IS IN JAMES CITY COUNTY AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND TO A LARGER LOCATION.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING BEFORE YOU.
UH, SITE PLANS OF INTEREST, UM, THE, THE AUTO ZONE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED THERE IN THE OLD KROGER, UH, SHOPPING CENTER AT, UM, KIL CREEK.
SO, UM, AUTO ZONE'S GONNA TAKE THE SIDE WHERE THE, UH, LANDSCAPING USED TO BE.
WELL THAT'S WHERE KROGER IS NOW.
SO, SO KROGER IS ACTUALLY EXPANDING A LITTLE BIT THERE AND AUTOZONE'S
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TAKING THE REST OF THAT SPACE.UM, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE CONCEPT IN THAT THEY HAVE A LARGER WAREHOUSE AREA, WHICH WILL HAVE MORE, UM, ITEMS IN IT THAT THEY WILL ALSO DISTRIBUTE OUT TO OTHER AUTO ZONES.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN A NORMAL AUTO ZONE, BUT WOULD THE, THE RETAIL SPACE WON'T BE BIGGER, YOU JUST WON'T SEE THE REST OF IT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE KROGER WAS, UM, EXPANSION WAS APPROVED ALSO, SO THEY'RE TAKING THEIR DRIVE THROUGH OUT OF THEIR PARKING LOT AND PUTTING IT ON THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING.
SO THE DRIVE WILL COME TO GO THROUGH IT.
IT'LL GO NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, ON THE DELI SIDE, THEY'RE EXPANDING INTO THE OLD KMART, UM, SIDE ALSO.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THAT DRIVE, UM, THROUGH PHARMACY THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT BASICALLY.
TUBE THING AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THERE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WE GOT OUR, WE GOT THE SITE PLAN FOR THE TAB STORAGE THERE ON 17.
THEY SUBMITTED IT, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED AND COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SENT BACK TO THEM.
SO WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO RESUBMIT.
UM, THAT'S MOVING THROUGH VERY QUICKLY AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY MIGHT SEE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, UH, BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE ON THE LAST PAGE, UH, THE KING'S CREEK SOLAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
THEY GOT THEIR LAND USE LAND DEVELOPMENT APP.
OH MY GOSH, I'M NOT SAYING LAND DISTURBANCE.
LAND DISTURBANCE, ACTIVITY PERMIT.
THANK YOU LADIES, APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, SO THERE, THAT MEANS THEY'LL START CLEARING THAT SITE AND START WITH PUTTING IN THE SOLAR PANELS AND THINGS THERE.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS NEWS, UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, WE ARE LOSING ONE OF OUR PLANNERS.
UM, CAITLYN WILL BE LEAVING US ON OCTOBER 3RD.
CAN WE MAKE A MOTION ON
UM, SHE WOULD TAKE A, A POSITION AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER AT, UM, THE CITY OF SUFFOLK.
THIS IS HER LAST MEETING, SO BE SURE TO WISH HER WELL AS SHE, AS SHE, UH, LEAVES, UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY MISS HER FOR SURE.
LOVED HAVING HER AS A, UH, UM, SOMEONE TO WORK WITH FOR SURE.
UM, AND THEN STAFF WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME BACK.
MR. TITUS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, HE'S, UH, WAS PLANNING COMMISSIONER BEFORE THE BOARD HAS REAPPOINTED HIM TO ANOTHER TERM.
WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A NAME TAG NEXT MONTH.
YOU WANT MY PLAQUE BACK? NO, NO, YOU CAN KEEP IT WITH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LEAVE, WHAT, WHAT TO DO.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
QUICK QUESTION ON THE CONTINUANCE.
THE BOARD, WHAT WAS THE BASIS GENERALIZED? YEAH, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN, JUST THE QUESTION.
NO, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT WE MISSED ANYTHING.
I THINK THEIR CONCERN WAS THEY WEREN'T QUITE GRASPING THE CLUSTER SIDE OF IT AND THAT WE WEREN'T PROPOSING ANY KIND OF DENSITY INCREASE.
IT WAS JUST BRINGING THE ACREAGE DOWN SO THAT MORE PEOPLE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CLUSTERING TECHNIQUE.
UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS JUST, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION THERE, UM, THAT WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T SOLVE.
AND MAYBE CAITLYN CAN ADD SOME YEAH.
UM, WHAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR, WHICH WE'RE GONNA, UM, FORGIVE MY VOICE.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING TO THEM NEXT TUESDAY IS, UM, THEY ASKED US JUST TO, WE, WE DID A COMPARISON OF OTHER LOCALITIES IN OUR AREA AND WHAT THEIR CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS LOOK LIKE.
SO WE PUT THAT IN A MEMO FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT PARKING.
SO WE JUST ADDRESSED THAT, UM, IN THE UPDATE.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA KIND OF GIVE THEM AN UPDATE INTO THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS NEXT WEEK.
YOU AND KAILYN DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
I CAITLYN TOOK THE BRUNT OF IT, SO.
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AND THEN COMMISSION REPORTS, ANYTHING? UM, I'LL ADD, CAITLIN, IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH YOU BOTH AS A CITIZEN AND ON THIS, UH, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU AND, UH, BUT, BUT BEST OF LUCK TO YOU.
AND WITH THAT WE STAND ADJOURNED.