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AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, UH, MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE A QUORUM TO BEGIN WITH, AND I HOPE YOU ALL DID ENJOY YOUR LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
[1* Polco Community Engagement Survey Presentation. Presentation by Mark L. Bellamy, Jr., County Administrator and Timothy D. Wyatt, Director of Information Technology.]
WORK SESSION, AND THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE THE POLL CALL, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURVEY PRESENTATION.UH, MARK IS GOING, GOING TO DO IT.
AND, AND I'M JUST GONNA SET THE STAGE AND TURN IT OVER TO TIM AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM POCO, UH, IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 AT YOUR RETREAT.
THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY ASKED, UH, FOR A LIST OF THINGS FOR OR FOR MYSELF AND STAFF TO DO.
THIS IS THE LAST ONE, AND YOUR REQUEST WAS THAT WE RENEW THE COMMUNITY SURVEY IN 2025.
SO, UH, MR. WYATT WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, UH, TAKE CHARGE OF THIS PROJECT.
AND SO I'M GONNA ASK, UH, HIM TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR, OUR NEW SURVEY HAS TO SAY ABOUT YOUR COUNTY.
UH, REMOTELY, WE HAVE JASON FROM POCO.
HE'S GOING TO GO OVER THE MAJORITY OF IT, BUT TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIND OF TUNED IN FOR A LONG TIME.
SIX YEARS AGO, BACK IN 2019, WE HAD A CITIZEN SURVEY BY THE SIR OR SOUTHEASTERN INSTITUTE OF RESEARCH, AND THEY DID A CITIZEN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
THESE ARE STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEYS, SO WE SAMPLE A SMALL PORTION, BUT IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
UM, WE SPECIFICALLY TOOK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT SIR.
WE WANTED A PLATFORM THAT WE COULD COMPARE OURSELVES VERSUS OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IN THE STATE OR ACROSS THE NATION.
WE FOUND POCO, THEY HAD THAT SPECIFIC POINT.
UH, THEY'RE VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY.
THEY HAVE A NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING FOR MANY YEARS.
SO THE SAME QUESTIONS ARE ASKED ALL ACROSS THE NATION, SO WE KNOW HOW WE COMPARE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO JASON IF YOU WANT TO START US OFF.
I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE, BUT BEFORE I DIVE IN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN AND MY SLIDE DECK.
OKAY, THEN, UH, JUST BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND A THANK YOU, ANOTHER THANK YOU, UH, TO TIM, WHO WAS OUR PRIMARY CONTACT THROUGHOUT THE SURVEY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.
UH, HE WAS CRITICAL IN, UH, PUTTING THE SURVEY TOGETHER AS WELL AS THE REPORT THAT WOULD BE SHARED AND TONIGHT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, LET'S TURN TO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE REPORT AND THIS PRESENTATION.
SO, POCO ONLINE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ONLY PLATFORM.
UH, WE WORK WITH GOVERNMENTS TO PROVIDE THEM WITH RESIDENT AND EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK.
AND AS WAS SAID, WE WORK WITH HUNDREDS OF ORGANIZATIONS NATIONWIDE TO HELP WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING, POWERING, UH, EMPOWERING RESIDENT VOICES AND BUDGETING DECISIONS.
POCO MERGED WITH THE NATIONAL RESEARCH CENTER BACK IN 2019.
NRC IS BEST KNOWN FOR OUR BENCHMARKING SURVEYS, LIKE THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY, THE NATIONAL EMPLOYEE SURVEY, THE COMMUNITY ASSESSMENT SURVEY FOR OLDER ADULTS AND A FEW OTHERS.
NRC HAS ACTUALLY BEEN OPERATING THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY SINCE 1994, AND WE WORKED WITH HUNDREDS OF JURISDICTIONS NATIONWIDE.
THROUGH THAT WORK, WE HAVE ACTUALLY BUILT THE LARGEST BENCHMARK DATABASE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, PUBLIC OPINION IN THE UNITED STATES.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE THAT WE PARTNER AND WORK CLOSELY WITH ICMA AND THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS LIKE THE ALLIANCE FOR INNOVATION, ENGAGE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND MANY ACADEMIC PARTNERS LIKE THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR PUBLIC OPINION RESEARCH, UH, THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN MADISON, AND MOST RECENTLY THE HOOVER INSTITUTE AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
SO BEFORE LOOKING AT THE RESULTS, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS, UH, THAT THESE RESULTS CAN BE USED MOST COMMONLY, THE JURISDICTIONS THAT WE WORK WITH WILL USE THEIR SURVEY DATA TO MONITOR TRENDS IN RESIDENTIAL OPINION OVER TIME, AND
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TO HELP INFORM THEIR BUDGETING PROCESSES.OUR RESULTS ALSO ALLOW YOU TO BENCHMARK YOUR COMMUNITY SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS AND SERVICES AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES FOUND IN OUR BENCHMARK DATABASE.
ULTIMATELY, THE HOPE TONIGHT IS THAT AS THESE FINDINGS ARE PRESENTED, IT'S GOING TO SPUR SOME IDEAS ON WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
SO, THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY, OR THE NCS IS A STANDARDIZED FIVE PAGE COMPREHENSIVE SURVEY THAT ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO ASSESS RESIDENT OPINION ABOUT THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT THEIR LOCAL COMMUNITIES.
THE NCS FOCUSES ON THE LIVABILITY OF YORK COUNTY BY CATEGORIZING SURVEY QUESTIONS INTO 10 MAIN FACETS OF COMMUNITY LIVABILITY.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE FACETS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE HERE.
THESE FACETS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THROUGH EXTENSIVE SURVEY RESEARCH AS THOSE THAT ARE MOST IMPACTFUL TO RESIDENTS OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE NCS ALSO INCLUDES ITEMS WITHIN EACH OF THESE 10 FACETS TO PROVIDE A FULL PICTURE OF HOW RESIDENTS FEEL ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND THEN FINALLY, AND MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, THESE FACETS ALSO TEND TO ALIGN WITH MUNICIPAL DEPARTMENTS, MAKING IT EASY FOR COUNTY STAFF TO QUICKLY FIND THE INFORMATION THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO THEM AND THEIR DAY-TO-DAY WORK IN THE FINAL REPORT OF RESULTS.
SO ALL HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN YORK COUNTY WERE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MOST RECENT SURVEY EFFORT.
A LIST OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE ZIP CODE SERVING YORK COUNTY WAS PURCHASED BASED ON UPDATED LISTINGS FROM THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE.
USING THE GIS BOUNDARY FILES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY ADDRESSES LOCATED OUTSIDE OF YORK COUNTY'S BOUNDARIES WERE REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF POTENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS TO SURVEY.
AND FROM THAT FINAL LIST, 3000 ADDRESSES WERE SELECTED TO RECEIVE THE INVITATION.
THOSE 3000 RANDOMLY SELECTED HOUSEHOLDS BEGAN, UH, RECEIVING MAILINGS ON APRIL 17TH.
AND THE SURVEY REMAINED OPEN FOR SIX WEEKS.
THE FIRST MAILING WAS A POSTCARD INVITING THE HOUSEHOLD TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SURVEY ONLINE.
THE NEXT MAILING CONTAINED A COVER LETTER WITH INSTRUCTIONS, UH, THE FIVE PAGE SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRE, AND A POSTAGE PAID RETURN ENVELOPE.
BOTH THE POSTCARD AND THE COVER LETTER INCLUDED A WEB LINK TO GIVE RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE SURVEY ONLINE.
SHOULD THEY STILL CHOOSE A TOTAL OF 440 COMPLETED SURVEYS WERE RECEIVED FROM THESE EFFORTS, PROVIDING A RESPONSE RATE OF 15% AND A MARGIN OF ERROR OF PLUS OR MINUS 4%.
YES, OUR STANDARD RETURN RATE, UH, THIS YEAR HAS ACTUALLY BEEN AROUND 13%, BUT WE TYPICALLY SEE ANYWHERE FROM 10% UP TO 18 TO 20%, BUT VERY FEW OUTSIDE OF THAT BAND.
AND, AND JASON, WHEN YOU GET A MOMENT, COULD YOU EXPAND UPON WHAT A PROBABILITY BASED SAMPLE IS? HOW DID YOU DETERMINE HOW THOSE 3000 HOUSEHOLDS? YES.
SO, UH, ACTUALLY ALL HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN THE COUNTY, UH, WERE ELIGIBLE TO BE SELECTED.
UH, SO WE USED THE MOST UPDATED LISTING FROM THE USPS, GOT ALL OF THE ADDRESSES WITHIN YOUR COUNTY.
AND THEN TIM AND THE TEAM PROVIDED THE GIS BOUNDARY FILES, AND WE ACTUALLY GOT THE EXACT LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE OF ALL YORK COUNTY HOUSEHOLDS, AND THEN RANDOMLY SELECTED 3000 OF THEM.
WE HAVE A KNOWN PROBABILITY OF BEING SELECTED, WHICH IS WHY WE CAN CALCULATE THAT MARGIN OF ERROR THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
SO, ONCE THIS, UH, SELECTION WAS COMPLETED AND WE RECEIVED THE RESULTS BACK, THOSE 440 RESPONSES, UH, WE COMPARED THE DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILE OF SURVEY RESPONDENTS TO THAT OF ALL ADULTS, UH, WITHIN YORK COUNTY.
AND WE WAITED THE FINAL SURVEY RESULTS, THIS WAITING ALIGNED WITH THE MOST RECENT AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY AND THE US CENSUS.
THIS IS A SURVEY RESEARCH BEST PRACTICE AND OVERALL HELPS TO IMPROVE THE REPRESENTATIVENESS OF THOSE FINAL SURVEY RESULTS.
NOW, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, IN ADDITION TO THIS RANDOMLY SELECTED PROBABILITY SAMPLE OF HOUSEHOLDS, A LINK TO AN ONLINE COMMUNITY-WIDE OPEN PARTICIPATION SURVEY WAS ALSO PUBLICIZED BY THE COUNTY.
THAT OPEN PARTICIPATION SURVEY WAS AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS AND BECAME AVAILABLE ON MAY 14TH.
THAT SURVEY REMAINED OPEN FOR THE FINAL TWO WEEKS OF DATA COLLECTION, AND 140 RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED THERE.
THE PRESENTATION AND THE REPORT ARE BASED ON THE 440 RESPONSES FROM THE RANDOM SAMPLE MAIL BASED SURVEY.
BUT THOSE RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED, THE 140 THAT WE RECEIVED TO THE OPEN PARTICIPATION ARE PROVIDED SEPARATELY IN THE FULL REPORT.
SO THERE IS A SEPARATE REPORT THAT COVERS THE OPEN PARTICIPATION.
YOU GET THE COMPLETE SET OF FREQUENCIES AVAILABLE THERE, INCLUDING, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS, CUSTOM QUESTIONS, AND OUR STANDARD QUESTIONS.
NOW, BEFORE WE TURN TO AN OVERVIEW, I DO WANT TO JUST REITERATE ONE MORE TIME THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR ADVANTAGES, UH, OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS PARTICIPATING IN OUR COMMUNITY SURVEYS IS THIS OPPORTUNITY
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TO COMPARE YOUR RATINGS, UH, FROM YOUR RESIDENTS TO THOSE FROM COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION.UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY AROUND 500 COMMUNITIES, UH, IN OUR NATIONAL DATABASE.
SO YORK COUNTY RECEIVED COMPARISONS TO THE ENTIRE NATIONAL DATABASE, WHICH I'LL BE REFERRING TO AS NATIONAL BENCHMARKS, BUT ALSO OPTED TO RECEIVE A CUSTOM BENCHMARK COMPARISON TO A SUBSET OF COMMUNITIES.
THIS SUBSET INCLUDES ALL OTHER VIRGINIA JURISDICTIONS WHO HAVE COMPLETED A SIMILAR COMMUNITY SURVEY IN THE PAST THREE YEARS.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE PARAMETERS MORE IN MORE DETAIL IN JUST A FEW SLIDES.
SO WITH THAT, LET'S TURN TO A HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT OUR SURVEY RESULTS BEFORE WE HIT ON SOME KEY FINDINGS.
SO IN THE SURVEY, WE HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT ASK DIRECTLY ABOUT THOSE 10 FACETS OF COMMUNITY LIVABILITY.
THE FIRST ASKS RESIDENTS TO RATE THE QUALITY OF EACH OF THOSE 10 FACETS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT 86% GAVE OVERALL FEELINGS OF SAFETY AND EXCELLENT OR GOOD SCORE.
ALL OF THESE ITEMS WERE IN LINE WITH NATIONAL COMPARISONS.
IN ADDITION, WE ASK A SECOND QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THESE 10 FACETS OF COMMUNITY LIVABILITY.
BUT THIS QUESTION IS CENTERED ON HOW IMPORTANT RESIDENTS THINK IT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO FOCUS ON THESE AREAS IN THE COMING TWO YEARS.
EACH OF THE PERCENTAGES HERE SHOW THE TOTAL, UH, OF RESPONDENTS WHO RATED THE FACET AS AN ESSENTIAL OR VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF FOCUS FOR THE COUNTY.
SO WE ASKED BOTH ABOUT THE QUALITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF EACH OF THESE FACETS.
AND WE USE THIS TO CREATE THE QUALITY IMPORTANCE MATRIX THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE.
NOW, WE USE THIS CHART, UH, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE REPORT, TO HELP DETERMINE WHICH AREAS ARE OF RELATIVELY HIGHER IMPORTANCE AND LOWER QUALITY TO RESIDENTS, THOSE WITH THE LARGEST GAPS.
SO MOST ITEMS SHOWN HERE, FOR MOST OF THEM, THE GAPS ARE REALLY SMALL, MEANING THAT THE CURRENT QUALITY OF THESE FACETS IS MEETING THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE ASSIGNED BY RESIDENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LOOK AT SAFETY, UH, THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS, AS AN ESSENTIAL OR VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF FOCUS BY 93% OF RESPONDENTS, WHILE 86% GIVE EXCELLENT OR GOOD MARKS TO ITS CURRENT QUALITY.
SIMILARLY, 88% IDENTIFY THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AS AN ESSENTIAL OR VERY IMPORTANT AREA OF FOCUS, WHILE 81% GIVE POSITIVE EVALUATIONS OF THE CURRENT STATE OF YORK COUNTY'S NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
SO THIS CHART IS JUST ONE OF MANY WAYS TO INTERPRET YOUR DATA, AND IT CAN BE USED AGAIN TO HELP IDENTIFY KEY FINDINGS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO HELP DETERMINE WHICH AREAS MAY NEED ADDITIONAL FOCUS OR RESOURCE ALLOCATION IN THE COMING YEARS.
AND WHICH OTHERS ARE PERFORMING WELL, BY COMPARISON, JASON, WHAT FALLS UNDER THE UTILITIES UMBRELLA? SO THIS IS THE OVERALL RATING OF, UH, UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE ASK, SUB-QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK THINGS LIKE SEWER SERVICES, GARBAGE COLLECTION, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
UH, THERE ARE SEVEN ITEMS THAT WE ASK ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THE OVERALL ITEMS. SO YOU UTILITIES WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE COUNTY, NOT SAY, POWER, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY SCOPE.
YOU'RE THAT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
JUST TO QUANTIFY A LITTLE BIT, SOME OF THEM DO BLEED OVER 'CAUSE IT'S A NATIONAL SURVEY.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WATER'S ONE OF THOSE.
NOW WE HAVE NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS, BUT THAT'S STILL DONE THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO THERE IS SOME CROSSOVER OF, OKAY.
SO DID, DID THEY INCLUDE LIKE DOMINION POWER OR DID THEY NOT? UM, BEAR WITH ME.
SO WAS THERE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SAY CATCH IT.
YEAH, I, I, I'VE GOT IT, JASON.
SO SOME OF THESE WERE AFFORDABILITY OF HIGH SPEEDED INTERNET ACCESS, GARBAGE COLLECTION, DRINKING WATER, SEWER SERVICES, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, POWER UTILITY, AND UTILITY BILLING.
THAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THE UNDER UTILITIES IN HERE.
THOSE WERE ALL, AND THEN THEY ASKED AN OVERALL, HOW HAPPY ARE YOU WITH THE QUALITY AND WHAT'S THE IMPORTANCE? IT'S BROKEN UP ON THE SURVEY ITSELF.
THEY'RE KIND OF GROUPED ALL TOGETHER.
UH, SO IN ADDITION, UH, WE'LL TALK NEXT ABOUT THE BENCHMARKING.
SO YOUR COUNTY ELECTED TO COMPARE THEIR RESULTS, AS I SAID, TO A CUSTOM SUBSET OF COMMUNITIES FROM WITHIN THAT LARGER NATIONAL DATABASE.
THIS INCLUDED OTHER VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE COMPLETED A COMMUNITY SURVEY, UH, OF THEIR RESIDENTS WITHIN THE PAST THREE WEEKS.
SO EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN POST COVID, A CLOSER LOOK AT THE 15 OTHER VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES SHOWS YORK COUNTY NEAR THE MEDIAN IN TERMS OF POPULATION AND MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME.
UH, AND OUR COHORT HERE IN OUR NATIONAL DATABASE INCLUDES A GOOD MIX OF LARGE COUNTIES.
SO WE HAVE LOUDOUN COUNTY, WE WORK WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY.
CHESTERFIELD COUNTY AS WELL, MIDSIZE COMMUNITIES.
WE JUST WRAPPED UP THE NCS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, UH, AND LYNCHBURG
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AND A FEW SMALLER JURISDICTIONS LIKE VIENNA AND WILLIAMSBURG.BUT YOU CAN SEE THE FULL LIST HERE.
WHEN YOU SEE VIRGINIA COMPARISONS IN THE REPORT AND ON THE REST OF THE SLIDES, THIS IS THE GROUP THAT YOU'RE BEING COMPARED AGAINST.
SO WHEN COMPARED AGAINST THOSE VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE 123 SURVEY ITEMS FOR WHICH RESIDENTS PROVIDED A EVALUATIVE RATINGS.
OF THOSE 103 ITEMS, CAN, CAN I, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PER PREVIOUS SLIDE PLEASE? REAL QUICK.
HE WENT TO AN OLD VERSION OF THE SLIDE.
YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
CORRECT? I CAN GET IT TO YOU AFTERWARDS.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON I KEEP GOING, JUST YELL AGAIN, SOMETIMES I DON'T QUITE PICK UP ON THE, ON THE COMMENT.
UH, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE 123 ITEMS THAT WERE ASKED ACROSS ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
OF THOSE 103 RECEIVED RATINGS THAT WERE SIMILAR TO YORK COUNTY'S RATINGS, 12 OF YOUR RATINGS WERE HIGHER THAN OTHER VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES AND FIVE RECEIVED LOWER RATINGS.
A RATING IS CONSIDERED SIMILAR IF IT'S WITHIN 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS OF THE ROLLING AVERAGE OF THESE VIRGINIA COMMUNITIES.
AND HIGHER, IF IT'S MORE THAN 10% ABOVE AND LOWER IF IT'S MORE THAN 10% BELOW.
NOW, AGAIN, OF THE 123 SURVEY ITEMS FOR WHICH RESIDENTS PROVIDED EVALUATIVE RATINGS, 10 ITEMS RECEIVED RATINGS THAT WERE HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK 109 WERE SIMILAR, AND FOUR RECEIVED LOWER RATINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THE KEY FINDINGS NEXT, AND WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF THESE AREAS WHERE YORK COUNTY SCORE ABOVE AND BELOW THESE COMPARISONS.
SPEAKING OF, UH, WE'LL MOVE INTO THESE KEY FINDINGS.
FOR THE MOST PART, THE PERCENTAGES THAT, OH, GO AHEAD.
UH, THE PERCENTAGES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE PRESENTED HERE IN THE PRESENTATION AND IN THE REPORT ARE PRESENTED AS A PERCENT POSITIVE.
MOST COMMONLY, THIS IS GOING TO MEAN THAT THE PERCENT POSITIVE IS THE COMBINATION OF THE TOP TWO MOST POSITIVE RESPONSES, LIKE EXCELLENT OR GOOD, OR VARY OR SOMEWHAT SAFE.
THE PERCENT POSITIVE GROUPING IS GOING TO BE LABELED ON EACH OF THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL DATA IN THE FULL REPORT THAT WE WON'T COVER TODAY, LIKE DEMOGRAPHIC OR GEOGRAPHIC COMPARISONS.
BUT THE REST OF THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO FOCUS ON A FEW AREAS THAT OUR DATA SCIENCE AND SURVEY RESEARCH TEAMS THOUGHT WERE THE MOST NOTEWORTHY WITHIN YOUR RESULTS.
SO, KEY FINDING, NUMBER ONE, RESIDENTS DEMONSTRATE STRONG SATISFACTION WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE COUNTY.
ABOUT NINE AND 10 RESIDENTS RATED YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO LIVE, A PLACE TO RAISE CHILDREN, A PLACE TO RETIRE, AND THE OVERALL IMAGE OR REPUTATION OF YORK COUNTY AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD.
ADDITIONALLY, THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE RATING, UH, WAS GIVEN AN EXCELLENT OR GOOD RATING FROM AROUND 90%.
UH, THE OVERALL IMAGE OR REPUTATION RATING SCORED ABOVE BOTH NATIONAL AND VIRGINIA COMPARISON COMMUNITIES, AS DID YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO RAISE CHILDREN AND YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO RETIRE.
IN ADDITION, AROUND NINE AND 10 RESIDENTS PLAN TO REMAIN IN YORK COUNTY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND WOULD RECOMMEND LIVING IN YORK COUNTY TO SOMEONE WHO ASKS ONCE AGAIN, EACH OF THOSE FOR HIGHER THAN COMPARISON COMMUNITIES IN VIRGINIA.
KEY FINDING NUMBER TWO, YORK COUNTY GOVERNMENT, UH, RATINGS ARE IN LINE WITH NATIONAL AND BENCHMARK, UH, AND VIRGINIA BENCHMARKS.
ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF RESIDENTS RATED TREATING RESIDENTS WITH RESPECT AND TREATING ALL RESIDENTS FAIRLY AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD.
AND OVER HALF OF RESIDENTS RATED BEING HONEST, GENERALLY ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR OVERALL CONFIDENCE IN YOUR COUNTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, ALL OF THESE GOVERNANCE RATINGS WERE SIMILAR TO BOTH THE NATIONAL AND VIRGINIA BENCHMARKS THAT WE SEE.
NUMBER THREE, THE COMMUNITY EXPERIENCES CONSISTENTLY HIGH LEVELS OF SAFETY.
ABOUT NINE IN 10 RESIDENTS FELT VERY OR SOMEWHAT SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD DURING THE DAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AND COMMERCIAL AREA DURING THE DAY.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE OVER EIGHT IN 10 RESIDENTS FELT VERY OR SOMEWHAT SAFE FROM PROPERTY CRIME AND FROM FIRE FLUTTER.
OTHER NATURAL DISASTER, ONCE MORE COMMON THEME, UH, THESE ALL WERE SIMILAR TO OUR NATIONAL BENCHMARK.
IN ADDITION TO ASKING ABOUT FEELINGS OF SAFETY, THE NCS ALSO ASKS ABOUT THE CURRENT QUALITY OF SAFETY SERVICES.
SO ABOUT NINE IN 10 RESIDENTS RATED FIRE SERVICES AND AMBULANCE OR EMS SERVICES AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD OVER EIGHT IN 10 RATED POLICE OR SHERIFF SERVICES AND CRIME PREVENTION AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT FIRE SERVICES AND AMBULANCE AND EMS SERVICES WERE SIMILAR TO THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK.
WHILE POLICE SERVICES AND CRIME PREVENTION RATINGS WERE HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL BENCHMARK AND THE VIRGINIA BENCHMARKS
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KEY FINDING.NUMBER FOUR, THE ECONOMY SERVES AS A STRENGTH FOR YORK COUNTY, THOUGH HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS IDENTIFIED AS A CONCERN.
ABOUT EIGHT IN 10 RESIDENTS RATED YORK COUNTY AS A, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, ABOUT EIGHT IN 10 RESIDENTS RATED, UH, YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO VISIT AND THE OVERALL QUALITY OF BUSINESS AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO VISIT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE SCORED HIGHER THAN NATIONAL COMPARISONS.
ABOUT SEVEN IN 10 RESIDENTS RATED YORK COUNTY AS AN EXCELLENT OR GOOD PLACE TO VISIT, WHILE OVER HALF OF RESIDENTS POSITIVELY RATED THE VARIETY OF BUSINESS AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS AND THE, UH, VIBRANCY OF DOWNTOWN AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.
NOW WE HAVE AFFORDABILITY MEASURES HERE ON THE SCREEN AS WELL.
AND ALTHOUGH ALL AFFORDABILITY MEASURES DID SCORE IN LINE WITH OUR NATIONAL AVERAGES, UH, LESS THAN HALF OF RESIDENTS RATED THE COST OF LIVING, THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE QUALITY CHILDCARE, THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE QUALITY MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, AND THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE QUALITY HOUSING AS EXCELLENT OR GOOD KEY FINDING.
NUMBER FIVE, RATINGS FOR ALTERNATIVE MODE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, SCORED BELOW.
COMPARISON COMMUNITIES ABOUT THREE AND FOUR RESIDENTS EXPRESS SATISFACTION, UH, WITH THE OVERALL EASE OF TRAVEL BY CAR IN THE COUNTY.
WHILE ABOUT TWO THIRDS, UH, RATED THE EASE OF PUBLIC PARKING POSITIVELY, OVER HALF OF RESIDENTS WERE SATISFIED WITH TRAFFIC FLOW ON MAJOR STREETS.
WHILE ABOUT ONE THIRD OF RESIDENTS EXPRESSED SATISFACTION WITH WALKING, AND ONLY ONE IN FIVE RESIDENTS RATED THE OVERALL CH EASE OF TRAVEL BY BICYCLE POSITIVELY, YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE, ONLY 13% OF RESIDENTS WERE SATISFIED WITH THE OVERALL TRAVEL BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
UH, EACH OF THESE LAST THREE ITEMS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE SCORE BELOW NATIONAL AND CUSTOM BENCHMARKS.
ONCE AGAIN, JUST LIKE FOR SAFETY, WE ALSO ASK ABOUT MOBILITY SERVICES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE USAGE ITEMS, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF RESIDENTS EXPRESS SATISFACTION WITH SNOW REMOVAL, UH, TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND STREET CLEANING.
OVER HALF OF RESIDENTS RATED SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE AND TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING POSITIVELY.
EACH OF THE ITEMS YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE WERE SIMILAR TO OUR NATIONAL COMPARISONS.
AND THEN KEY FINDING NUMBER SIX, LIBRARY SERVICES AND K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION RECEIVE HIGH RATINGS FROM RESIDENTS.
SO WHEN LOOKING AT ITEMS RELATED TO EDUCATION AND THE ARTS IN YORK COUNTY, OVER EIGHT AND 10 RESIDENTS GAVE EXCELLENT OR GOOD REVIEWS TO LIBRARY SERVICES AND K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION.
UH, K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION SCORED ABOVE BOTH NATIONAL AND CUSTOM BENCHMARKS, AND WAS IN THE 80TH PERCENTILE NATIONALLY AND THE 92ND PERCENTILE IN OUR VIRGINIA COMPARISONS.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EDUCATION, ARTS, AND THE CULTURE, UH, AND CULTURE SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS AND ADULT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES WERE EVALUATED POSITIVELY BY 70%, 60%, AND 50% RESPECTIVELY.
NOW, IN ADDITION TO THE STANDARD QUESTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON EVERY NATIONAL COMMUNITY SURVEY, YORK COUNTY ALSO INCLUDED A FEW UNIQUE ITEMS, UH, AND WE'LL TURN TO THOSE SPECIAL TOPICS HERE.
SO THE FIRST CUSTOM QUESTION THAT WAS INCLUDED, UH, ON THE SURVEY ASKED RESIDENTS TO INDICATE HOW POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE THEY THOUGHT THE FOLLOWING CHANGES HAD BEEN FOR YORK COUNTY OVER THE PAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
ABOUT EIGHT IN 10 RESIDENTS POSITIVELY VIEWED ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION.
THAT'S 80% SAYING THAT WAS A VERY OR SOMEWHAT POSITIVE CHANGE.
WHILE AROUND SEVEN IN 10 VIEWED RESIDENTS VIEWED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND POPULATION GROWTH AS A POSITIVE CHANGE IN YORK COUNTY, OVER HALF OF RESIDENTS VIEWED TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE POSITIVELY WHILE JUST 41% GAVE VERY OR SOMEWHAT POSITIVE REVIEWS TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN THE COUNTY OVER THE PAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
IN ADDITION TO THOSE PAST CHANGES, WE ALSO ASKED ABOUT SOME FUTURE PRIORITIES.
UH, SO WE ASKED RESIDENTS TO RATE HOW IMPORTANT, IF AT ALL THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THE COUNTY TO FOCUS ON EACH OF THESE, FOLLOWING EACH OF THE FOLLOWING IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
THE TOP FIVE ITEMS INCLUDE ABOUT EIGHT IN 10 RESIDENTS RATING THE PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND TRAFFIC FLOW, EXCUSE ME, TRAFFIC AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AS TOP PRIORITIES.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE AROUND THREE AND FOUR RESIDENTS VIEWED HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, UH, AS ESSENTIAL OR VERY IMPORTANT.
AND FINALLY, ABOUT SEVEN IN 10 RESIDENTS CONSIDER ENHANCING SERVICES FOR OLDER ADULTS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE TO BE TOP PRIORITIES FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THEN FINALLY, IN OUR LAST, UH, QUESTION THAT WE'LL HIGHLIGHT HERE, THAT WAS UNIQUE TO YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS
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WERE ASKED TO INDICATE THEIR LEVEL OF SUPPORT FOR EIGHT DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.THE TOP FIVE ITEMS HERE INCLUDE AROUND NINE AND 10, PROVIDING, UH, STRONGLY OR SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE VIEWS FOR ENCOURAGING TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS AND IMPROVING UTILITY AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
AROUND EIGHT IN 10 SHOWED SUPPORT FOR FOSTERING ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND INVESTING IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT WHILE OVER THREE QUARTERS SAW INCREASING TOURISM OR ENTERTAINMENT USES AS A POSITIVE FEATURE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.
SO HERE'S A SUMMARY OF OUR CONCLUSIONS, AGAIN, THAT OUR DATA SCIENCE AND SURVEY RESEARCH TEAMS, UH, YEP.
DID, UM, DID YOUR SURVEY DEFINE WHAT A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS? UM, UH, LET ME CHECK HERE FOR YOU.
UH, TIM
SDRS OR HOME BUSINESS? WELL, MATT, I GOT A PICTURE IN MY HEAD WHAT A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS, BUT IT MAY NOT MATCH WHAT OTHER PEOPLE'S ARE.
SO THAT'S WHY, OH, BEAR WITH US.
I'M GONNA PULL SLIDES BACK UP.
AND YOU WANT GOING WITH THIS? WHICH ONE IS HERE? LET ME I TO A HOLE.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU? SO INDICATE THE LEVEL OF YOUR SPORT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AGAIN, MY QUESTION SAID, ENCOURAGE A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WONDER IF THAT WAS DEFINED IN THE, IN THE QUESTION.
WHAT YOU TRY TO DO IS YOU PUT OUT ONE BLANKET QUESTION THAT THEY'VE GONE ACROSS.
AND THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR VIEWPOINT IS.
WELL, WHEN YOU PUT IT OUT, WHAT ONES ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? I MEAN, JUST ANYTHING.
IT, IT'S UP TO THE CITIZEN'S INTERPRETATION.
SO, SO THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I GOT A PICTURE IN MY HEAD WHAT A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT IS.
BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY RESPONDING TO THEIR SURVEY HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT IDEA WITH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS AND NEGATIVES IS THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS ALREADY ON THE SURVEY.
THERE'S OVER, I BELIEVE, 150 QUESTIONS.
SO EACH ONE TRIES TO GET TO THE POINT AND THEY KIND OF GAUGE IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN QUICKLY GIVE A RESPONSE TO EACH SECTION.
CAN'T GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS.
HE'LL NEVER GET, GET THROUGH IT.
BUT ONE OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS OPEN TO THIS BOARD IS THE TOOL OF FLASH VOTE.
SO IF THAT WAS SOMETHING PARTICULARLY KIND OF OF INTEREST, WE COULD DIVE INTO, HERE'S SOME INFORMATION AND HERE'S SOME QUICK QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT.
AND YOU COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT TO IT.
UM, KIND OF JUST PICKING UP WHERE HE LEFT FOR THIS BULLET SLIDE, WHICH IS THE LAST ONE.
SUMMARY OF CONCLUSIONS FROM OUR SURVEY RESEARCH AND DATA SCIENCE TEAMS. NUMBER ONE, RESIDENTS DEMONSTRATE STRONG, STRONG SATISFACTION WITH QUALITY OF LIFE IN YORK COUNTY.
NUMBER TWO, YORK COUNTY GOVERNMENT RATINGS ARE IN LINE WITH NATIONAL AND VIRGINIA BENCHMARKS.
THREE, THE COMMUNITY EXPERIENCES CONSISTENTLY HIGH LEVELS OF SAFETY.
FOUR ECONOMY SERVES AS A STRENGTH FOR YORK COUNTY, THOUGH AFFORDABILITY IS IDENTIFIED AS A CONCERN.
FIVE RATINGS FOR ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION SCORE BELOW COMPARISON COMMUNITIES.
AND THE LAST ONE, NUMBER SIX, LIBRARY SERVICES AND K 12 EDUCATION RECEIVE HIGH MARKS FROM RESIDENTS.
THERE'S A LOT MORE DATA AVAILABLE IN THE COMPLETE REPORT OF RESULTS, INCLUDING DEMOGRAPHIC COMPARISONS.
THERE'S DASHBOARDS AND ADDITIONAL CUSTOM QUESTIONS.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
I JUST THINK THIS, THIS LIST OF, UH, SUMMARY CONCLUSIONS WE NEED TO KEEP IN FRONT OF US WHEN WE GET TO RETREAT OR OUR CONSIDERATION.
UH, WHAT DO WE GO IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, THAT'S, THIS IS GONNA GO A LONG WAYS TO COLOR IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SO FORTH WHERE WE FOCUS OUR EFFORTS AND MONEY BECAUSE KEEP SAFETY UP, KEEP EDUCATION UP, CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THAT, YOU KNOW, VERY CLOSELY ENVIRONMENTAL INTEREST PARK SERVICES.
IT VERY CLOSELY ALIGNS TO YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
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PROBABLY THE ONE THAT JUMPS OUT OF THE, OFF, OFF THE PAGE AT ME AND SAYS WE MAY HAVE TO DO MORE.WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS A BIT OF A CONUNDRUM FOR US.
THAT'S BEAT ITEMS, THE ROADS, AND THEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, THE WAY THE COUNTY'S LAID OUT ALONG AND NARROW.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
BUT, BUT STILL THAT MEANS IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK AND THERE'S PROBABLY OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN LOOKING INTO DOING SOME THINGS.
UM, AND AGAIN, WHEN PEOPLE ASK PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, DO THEY MEAN, WELL, UBER, WERE PRESIDENTS, DO THEY MEAN BUS BUS RIDES? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THAT? SO WELL ARE ALSO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT, IT ALIGNS WITH OUR PRIORITIES, BUT ALSO GOING BACK, LOOKING AT WHAT PAST ONES THAT WE'VE DONE.
IT REINFORCES WHAT WE'VE HEARD BEFORE.
SO THAT THE COUNTY'S ON THE RIGHT PATH.
AND I LIKE THE COMPARISONS THAT WE DID.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW, COMPARING US AGAINST, UM, LA COUNTY OR WHATEVER THAT MAYBE FOUR 27,000 PEOPLE.
THAT'S A WHOLE, WHOLE DIFFERENT PIECE.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A LEVEL SET ON.
WE FALL THERE AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
SO, AND IN THE DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC SURVEY FOR MOBILITY, IT ACTUALLY DIVES INTO SIDEWALKS VERSUS BUS TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING OF APPEAL INTEREST, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.
MARK SAYS, I CAN'T DIVE INTO, UH, STATISTICS OR WE DON'T GET
I NOTICED THE, UH, ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE ON HERE, IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT IT ALWAYS COMES UP AS AFFORDABILITY HOUSING.
NOW, IF YOU THINK BACK OVER THE LAST 30, 40 YEARS, EVERY TIME WE BUILT A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN, UH, WITH THE TAB SUPPOSED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND NOW THE HOUSING PRICES THERE ABOVE 500,000, $600,000.
SO YOU BUILD A, YOU BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T CARE.
OR YOU BUILD IT IN THIS COUNTY, IT CEASES TO BE AFFORDABLE.
I MEAN, IT BUYS BY MOST AFFORDABILITY STANDARDS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JOB, A PRETTY GOOD PAYING JOB OR SOME WAY OF GETTING, UH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE INTEREST RATES ABOUT 6.6% SOMEWHERE IN THERE TODAY.
AND THEN YOU'RE COMING IN AT A HOUSE THAT'S, UH, WE'VE GOT A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD GOING UP IN, UH, IN OUR AREA CELESTIAL WAY.
AND THE HOUSES ARE SELLING UP TO $749,000.
I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HELL OF A, UH, MONTHLY, IT'S AN AWFUL LOT MONTHLY PAYMENT STAR, SORRY, STARTING HOUSE.
IT'S ALSO SUPPLY OF DEMAND EQUATION AS WELL.
'CAUSE YOU GOT NINE OUTTA 10 PEOPLE WILL RECOMMEND YORK COUNTY AS A PLACE TO COME LIVE.
SO THAT'S GONNA DRIVE, SO THAT'S GONNA DRIVE THE PLACE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE FACTOR.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF THE FACTOR.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME HERE 'CAUSE OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM.
AND THEY COME IN HERE AND THE EDUCATION SYSTEM LEADS GREATER SAFETY, UH, LESS CRIME, BASICALLY OVERALL A A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A FORMULA THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING IN YOUR COUNTY FOREVER.
AS LONG AS WE KEEP FOCUSING ON IT.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC WITH THE GOOD EFFORT? APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU PUT INTO IT.
AND THANK YOU TO TIM AND PLANNING OF DEVELOPMENT STAFF AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE SENIOR TEAM, UH, SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON IT.
WELL, IT SHOWS AND APPRECIATE MUCH, VERY MUCH.
I FIND, I FIND THAT THIS STUDY IS IN, IN LINE, SHEILA, THIS STUDY IS IN LINE WITH MANY OF THE STUDIES WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
IT JUST REINFORCES THAT WE'RE IN ON THE RIGHT PATH DOING THE SAME THING.
I THINK THAT THAT'S MAKES EVERYBODY FEEL A LOT BETTER.
[2* Strategic Capital Plan – Wastewater, Stormwater, and Transportation. Presentation by Jon Seiter, Assistant Director of Public Works.]
GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE STRATEGIC CAPITAL PLAN FOR WASTEWATER, STORM WATER AND TRANSPORTATION.JOHN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND DOING IT FOR THE BOARD.
IF WE WERE TO REPEAT THIS IN TWO YEARS TIME, THAT FEELS LIKE ABOUT THE RIGHT FREQUENCY.
JUST I THINK, DO YOU THINK EVERY TWO YEARS IS ENOUGH OR EVERY, EVERY TWO YEARS? I, I THINK YOU WANTED COSTING YOUR TERM.
WE THOUGHT TWO YEARS WAS EVERY TWO YEARS RECOMMENDED.
WHAT, WHAT'S THIS SURVEY COST? THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT SAY ABOUT 20,000 AT ALL.
IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT.
GIVES US A GOOD BENCHMARK, JOHN, OUR WAY THROUGH.
THIS NOEL, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I APPRECIATE HAVING ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE STRATEGIC CAPITAL PLAN.
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UM, JUST HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES FOR YOU AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO COMMENTS, DISCUSSION, FEEDBACK BEFORE DIVING INTO THE PRESENTATION.I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, A FEW STAFF MEMBERS.
THIS WASN'T JUST ME, IT WAS A SERIES OF FOLKS FROM ALL KINDS OF, UH, DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WE HAD TRAVIS RHODES, JOE SCHUSSLER, TIM WARTON, AND MIKE LEN.
UM, CALEB SEGERS, MARCELLA GI, GIRALDO, STORMWATER.
WE HAD JOE BROGAN, WALT ROBERT WALTERS, WHO WAS HERE AS WELL.
KEN TLE AND CHARLES WHITE FROM GROUNDS.
CAITLYN BLET AND SHE'S HERE AS WELL.
INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT, WHICH WORKS UNDER IT.
WE HAVE ELLEN MEDFORD AND JEN WILSON FOR GIS.
WE HAD, UH, NICK GIBBS AND THEN PW PUBLIC WORKS ADMIN.
DID A LOT OF, UH, HELP WITH ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE TASK SURVEYS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, PUTTING BOOKS TOGETHER.
AND WE HAD LYNN METLER, LINDSEY, STEVEN, KATHY BISHOP, MARY ELLEN HAYWOOD, AND BRENDA FARMER.
SO A LOT OF FOLKS CONTRIBUTED TO GETTING THIS PLAN TOGETHER.
AND WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT, ESSENTIALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE OYSTER PEOPLE.
BUT THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT ON TO DO THIS.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE, THE CAPITAL PLAN.
UM, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL JUST BRIEFLY REVIEW THE TIMELINE WE'VE GONE THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH.
TALK ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THE PLAN KEY CHANGES FROM THIS ONE TO THE LAST PLAN 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, WE'LL BRIEFLY REVIEW FUNDING AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO, SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN QUITE A LONG PROCESS.
WE STARTED THIS WHOLE THING, UH, ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD, HAD BEEN CONDUCTED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, SO WE ONLY HAD ABOUT ONE OR TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE EVEN TANGENTIALLY INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING THAT PLAN.
SO IT WAS A BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE TO TRY AND GET TO WHERE WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO BE MM-HMM
UM, AND GO THROUGH A, A THOROUGH PROCESS ESSENTIALLY.
AND WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT TIMING OF WHEN TO DO THIS IN THE FUTURE AS WELL.
WE GOT WRAPPED IN THE BUDGET SEASON ON THE, THE FRONT END AND THE TAIL END.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN QUITE A, QUITE A WHILE TO GET BACK TO YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, A PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THE THE THIRD OR FOURTH DRAFT VERSION OF THIS THING TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, HOW OFTEN, NOW THAT YOU'VE DONE IT ONCE, HOW OFTEN DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO DO THIS? PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
PROBABLY EVERY THREE YEARS IS WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND.
AND DURING THAT TIME, YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SOME OF YOUR PROJECTS? THEORETICALLY.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, WE STARTED, WE STARTED BEGINNING OF LAST CALENDAR YEAR.
WE WORKED OUR WAY THROUGH THE STARS INDICATE TOUCH POINTS I'VE HAD WITH THE BOARD.
UM, ABOUT A 10 MONTHS AGO, I, I BRIEFED THE BOARD WITH THE INITIAL, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF DO.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YOU GAVE INITIAL FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE AND, UH, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE ONE-ON-ONES DURING, RIGHT BEFORE SUMMER KICKED OFF TO TALK TO EACH ONE OF YOU IN, IN DETAIL ABOUT THOUGHTS, FEELINGS, UM, ON WHERE WE WERE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WHERE WE HEAR WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AT THE VERY BOTTOM THERE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO, UH, HAVE THIS ADOPTED TONIGHT.
SO IT HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS AND LIKE I SAID, MULTIPLE STAFF MEMBERS, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR FEEDBACK BACK AND FORTH ALONG THE WAY.
BUT WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT THIS GO AROUND AND I THINK WE'LL BE WELL PREPARED FOR THE NEXT VERSION OF THIS THING.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PLAN, LIKE I SAID, ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
I JUST WANNA REVIEW IT REALLY QUICKLY.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IS TO LINE OUR PRIORITIES OF WORK FOR THE STAFF WITH THE PRIORITIES OF WORK FOR THE, THE BOARD ITSELF AS MUCH AS WE CAN ESSENTIALLY.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, BUT WE RARELY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK COLLECTIVELY ABOUT SEWER LINE EXTENSION, STORMWATER PROJECTS, TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE BOARD, HAVE INTERACTIONS, AND TRY AND ALIGN WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A STAFF WITH WHAT THE BOARD WANTS US TO DO AS WELL.
UM, I DID SOME CALCULATIONS AND IN THE, THE 35 YEARS THIS, WE'VE USED THIS PLANT SINCE 1990, WE, WE'VE HAD ABOUT $250 MILLION OF THAT'S NOMINAL VALUE.
SO NON INFLATION ADJUSTED OF SEWER EXTENSION, STORM WATER AND WATER PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME FROM THIS PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY.
SO IT, IT'S A PRETTY BIG DOLLAR FIGURE.
AND IF YOU ADJUSTED THAT FOR INFLATION, IT'S PROBABLY TWICE THAT.
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WHAT THE PLAN IS NOT, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S NOT TO DETERMINE THE FULL PROJECT SCOPE.SO A LOT OF THIS IS CONCEPTUAL.
WHAT WE HAVE ARE DOLLAR FIGURES BASED OFF PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING ESTIMATES.
SO IN CERTAIN CASES, SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT NOT EVEN BE FEASIBLE TO DO.
SIDEWALK PROJECTS, SEWER EXTENSIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COSTS THAT ARE ON IN THE PLAN MM-HMM
UM, THAT, THAT'S A FIXED POINT IN TIME.
SO ESSENTIALLY MOST OF THE COSTS IN HERE FROM A YEAR AGO.
SO YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING MORE DOLLARS RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL POINT IS THIS IS NOT TO DETERMINE FUNDING SOLUTION.
THIS, THIS HELPS US DEVELOP THE CIP ESSENTIALLY.
AND THAT'S AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT WE'LL COME TO YOU AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE FUND AND, AND PUT THESE PROJECTS IN THE CIP AND TIME AND SPACE TO AFFORD IT, ESSENTIALLY.
SO KEY CHANGES, UM, WE DID REMOVE WATER PROJECTS.
SO THE WATER, THE, THE COUNTY NO LONGER PROVIDES WATER.
ALL THAT WAS TURNED OVER ABOUT 10, 12 YEARS AGO.
MOST OF IT WENT OVER TO NEWPORT NEWS, WATER WORK.
SO YES, NO MORE WATER PROJECTS IN THIS, IN THIS PLAN.
WE DID ADD ACTIVE AND VEHICULAR TRANSPORTATION, UM, WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS, ESPECIALLY ON THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION SIDE.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROJECTS, A LOT OF INTEREST FROM FOLKS.
SO IT MADE SENSE TO KIND OF THROW THIS IN THE PLAN ITSELF.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH CATEGORIZE.
I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 70 OR 80 CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIT MUCH THE HANDLE.
SO WE, WE, WE NICK THAT DOWN AND I'LL, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL SHOW YOU ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION? SO, ACTIVE IS, IS SIDEWALKS, MULTIPURPOSE TRAILS.
UM, SO THOSE WERE ADDED FOR THIS, THIS VERSION OF THE PLAN.
AND WE DID LOOK AT ALL THE EVALUATION CRITERIA AND, AND WE DID SOME REVISIONS TO THEM.
UM, IT, IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS, LIKE I SAID.
SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAT WEREN'T AS IMPORTANT BACK THEN.
UM, COST TO DO ANYTHING ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE.
UM, AND THEN JUST THE REBRANDING OF THE, OF THE PLAN FROM THE UTILITIES CAPITAL PLAN TO THE STRATEGIC CAPITAL PLAN.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH.
UM, WE TRIED TO KEEP IT BETWEEN 10 AND 20 PROJECTS IN EACH CATEGORY.
UM, SO AFTER MULTIPLE REVISIONS OR AS DELETES, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH.
WE HAD 18 SEWER LINE EXTENSION PROJECTS, NINE STORM WATER, AND THEN, UH, 16 SIDEWALKS, EIGHT CROSSWALKS AND 13 VEHICULAR PROJECTS.
UM, IF YOU ADD UP THE TOTAL VALUE OR ESTIMATED COST OF THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE AT $170 MILLION.
SO IT, IT, IT, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PRICE TAG, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT HOW WE PLAN.
UM, AND SYNCHRONIZE, YOU KNOW, OUR EFFORTS FIRST, C-I-P-C-I-P, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT, IT'S A HUGE DOLLAR TAG THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF MIGHT GET IN.
SOME OF IT MIGHT NOT BASED OFF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CIP AND YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SPEND.
AND JUST TO FINISH OFF, UM, THIS IS A REFRESHER FOR EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
I THINK MOST, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.
UM, HOW ARE THESE PROJECTS FUNDED? SO, SEWER LINE EXTENSIONS WE HAVE, IT IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
UM, WE GET USER AND CONNECTION FEES.
SO OUR BI-MONTHLY BILLING IS THE BULK OF THAT.
UM, THERE IS A MEALS TAX PORTION OF THAT 50% IS SHARED BETWEEN STORMWATER AND SEWER LINE OR, OR SEWER IN GENERAL.
AND THEN THERE'S BONDS AND GRANTS.
SO I WILL TELL YOU WE ARE GOING THROUGH A, A SEWER RATE STUDY RIGHT NOW.
FIRST TIME THE COUNTY'S DONE THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, NOT ONLY WHAT WE THINK THE RATE NEEDS TO BE, BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CHANGE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A FLAT RATE RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FOR, UM, CONSUMPTION BASED BILLING AS WELL, WHICH IS KIND OF THE TREND NOW.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO PRESENT TO YOU TOWARDS, I THINK THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR ON THAT.
AND IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE HOW WE DEVELOP THE CIP FOR THE CYCLE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN STORMWATER PROJECTS, WE DO NOT HAVE A STORMWATER FEE.
SO THE WAY WE PAY FOR THAT IS THROUGH THE SHARE OF THE MEALS TAX FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS, GRANTS, UM, OUR OPERATIONS ARM OF STORMWATER'S PAID THROUGH, UH, VIA THE, UH, GENERAL FUND AND THEN TRANSPORTATION'S GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, VARIOUS STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE, THAT WE GET FOR TRANSPORTATION.
AND ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
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UM, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE STORMWATER FEE? SO WE, WE'VE TO COVERRIGHT NOW IT'S HOVERING BETWEEN FIVE TO $10.
I THINK A MONTH WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO TRANSITION THAT INTO ESSENTIALLY A ENTERPRISE FUND, UHHUH,
IT, IT, IT IT'S PER, IT'S PER HOUSEHOLD.
UH, ENTERPRISE FUND IS TYPICALLY ARE SUBSCRIPTION BASED, LIKE TRASH.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT'D BE BASED OFF THE WAY NORMAL MUNICIPALITIES DO IT IS, IS YOU HAVE A BASELINE ERU OR EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
UM, SO THE RESIDENTIAL FEE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ONE ERU.
SO IT'D BE A FIXED RATE FOR WHAT AN ERU IS.
UM, COMMERCIAL WOULD BE BASED OFF THE TOTAL, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO THAT'D BE CA CALCULATED BASED OFF THE AVERAGE, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE SEW, NOT OPTIONS TO USE.
THAT'S WHAT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY, TO USE YOUR TERMINOLOGY, I SAID SEWER SUE, YOU HAVE TO CONNECT SEWER.
YOU DO SUBSCRIPTION LEADS ONE TO BELIEVE WE HAVE THE OPTION A YAY OR NAY.
NOW WE DO WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR WE'RE NOT, SO YES, WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DESIRE FOR THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE.
GENERALLY IT'S MANDATORY STORM WATER.
YOU SAID TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE COULD MAKE IT MANDATORY BECAUSE OF THE LARGE PROJECTS.
BUT IN THE PAST WE'VE COVERED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS WITHOUT DOING THAT.
BUT, UH, THERE WAS ALWAYS A BIG QUESTION AS TO WHETHER, WHETHER BASED ON, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ALL THE PROJECTS, BUT BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET, CONSIDERING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WE'RE GETTING FROM HOMES NOW MM-HMM
BEING ACTUALLY BUILT IN, UH, WHAT I CONSIDER QUESTIONABLE AREAS, UM, THAT WE MAY, THAT MAY BE A REQUIREMENT.
WE GET DOING A LOT OF STREAM RESTORATIONS NOW.
SO THOSE THINGS SETS ANOTHER IMPACT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, LIKE $10 PER HOUSEHOLD TO DO WHAT? I'D HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THE MEMO WE DID, BUT I THINK IT WAS AROUND $10, FIVE TO $10 TO COVER EXPENDITURES ON THE OPERATION SIDE AND THE CAPITAL SIDE OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY SPENDING FOR, FOR JUST, IS THAT JUST STORM WATER? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FOR STORM WATER.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOPPING INCREASE.
WHAT I USED TO, I REMEMBER WE USED TALK ABOUT 50 CENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO YOU FIGURE OUR ON, ON THE OPERATION SIDE, I THINK IT'S NORMALLY AROUND SIX, $700,000 JUST FOR OPERATIONS.
AND THEN I THINK ON THE CAPITAL SIDE IT'S GENERALLY BETWEEN TWO AND $3 MILLION A YEAR.
MEALS TAX CONTRIBUTION PORTION FOR STORM WATER.
WHAT ARE WE GETTING INTO HERE WITH? SO I HAVE A FOLLOW ON TO THAT QUESTION.
AND THIS LEADS ME TO QUESTION ARE, DO WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES OR OUR, OUR BUILDING CODES? BECAUSE MORE AND MORE OF THESE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE'RE APPROVING, WE END UP WITH STORMWATER, UM, UH, PROJECTS ABOUT 10 YEARS LATER OR LESS.
AND, AND IT'S, AS YOU SAID, THEY'RE BEING BUILT IN MORE DIFFICULT AREAS.
THE UH, THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SOIL IS MM-HMM
IS FORCING A LOT MORE WATER DOWN DOWN THESE DRAINS.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT, THAT WE'RE GETTING NAILED AFTER THE FACT BY DEVELOPMENT, BY DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME ALONG AND, UH, AND CREATE CHALLENGES FOR US.
I CAN JUST FLAT TELL YOU IT'S A FACT.
IF YOU GO BETWEEN 2000 AND 2010 ON ONE PROJECT CALLED THE MORRIS CREEK PROJECT, WE SPEND $6 MILLION FIX IT.
THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF OUR BUILDING CODES TO ADDRESS THAT, THAT CHALLENGE? 'CAUSE IT'S GETTING WORSE.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK, I WOULD SAY I, I'VE HEARD THIS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT.
UH, IT, THIS SAYS THAT IF TODAY'S STANDARDS FOR FOR DEVELOPMENT WERE IN PLACE WHEN RUNNING MAN WAS BEING BUILT, HALF RUNNING MAN WOULD NOT BE BUILT.
AND THE REASON I DON'T BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT CELESTIAL, THIS THE NEW CELESTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ON THE WORST PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE ON.
I MEAN, THEY'VE PUT IN SOME INCREDIBLE CONDUITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S WHERE THE MAJOR FLOOD POINT WAS IN 1997.
SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, FLOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF PARDON THAT, THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS IN A FLOOD.
IT'S RIGHT DOWN IN, WELL, I IT'S
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THE FLOODPLAIN.IT'S, IT'S WHERE IN 1997 WE HAD 20 INCHES OF RAIN IN 24 HOURS, PEOPLE WERE UP AT 31 FEET.
SEA LEVEL ABOVE SEA LEVEL WERE UP TO THEIR HIPS, WA OUT INTO THE STREET.
AND THAT OUTFLOW IS NOW WITH ITS NEW NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT.
AND I QUESTION THAT FROM THE GET GO.
THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HELD OFF AND VO WILL NOT APPROVE HALF THE STREETS IN THERE.
THEY'RE NOW HAVING TO BE PRIVATELY OWNED BECAUSE THEY WON'T MEET, MEET THE DRAINAGE STANDARDS AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
I DON'T, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
IT MIGHT GET WORSE UP IN YOUR DISTRICT.
BUT, UH, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME GOOD JOB.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE, UH, THE WATER FLOW? SO THESE, THE QUESTION, IT COMES UP WITH A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE BUYING INTO? SEWER GOES IN THOUGH, DOESN'T IT? IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS? NO.
WELL, THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS YES.
STORMWATER I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY GOT ME WORRIED.
UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE EACH YEAR ON STORMWATER, UH, REPAIR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT 600, 600,000 A YEAR FOR JUST THE OPERATIONS ARM.
THAT'S THE OPERATIONS MEANING WE'RE HAVING TO CLEAN UP OR MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING EASEMENTS AND 600,000 A YEAR FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND, AND THERE ARE SOME SMALL PROJECTS THEY DO, BUT THAT'S SIX, 700,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
I THINK DIGGING A DITCH WOULD BE JUST GOOD ENOUGH, BUT I GUESS NOT.
AND A LOT OF THE BMPS, WE DON'T OWN REALLY ANY OF THE BMP.
THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS.
WE, THERE'S ABOUT, I THINK FOUR OR 500 BMPS TOTAL IN THE COUNTY.
ABOUT 70 OF THEM ARE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN.
I REMEMBER NOW I GO BACK A LITTLE HISTORY.
I REMEMBER ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, THE STAFF LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD COST.
WE WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD IT COST.
THE COUNTY TOOK OVER ALL THE BMPS.
THE ONE BMP WE LOOKED AT WAS ABOUT $4 MILLION.
THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THOSE.
SO THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, SO THE BEST WE CAN DO IS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IS SUPPOSED TO COLLECT MONEY FROM THEIR RESIDENTS TO COVER THE COST OF IT OPPOSED TO, AND NOTHING PUT ENOUGH MONEY INTO IT, IT OPPOSED TO AND DOING, OR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT THE POINT IS, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THE B AND P.
WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THROUGH ACROSS THE B AND P.
GREAT EXAMPLE IS WOODLAKE CROSSING 10 ACRE LAKE.
UM, EVERYBODY'S GOING, HOW MUCH IS IT GONNA COST TO DRAIN OF MEAN TO, TO DREDGE A 10 ACRE LAKE? WELL, WE DID AN ESTIMATE OF BACK IN ABOUT 1996 AND IT WAS LIKE $550,000.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY'D BEEN COLLECTING NO, THEY'RE BEEN COLLECTING FOR A TON OF YEARS.
AND THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY.
SO THE COUNTY HAS A 10 FOOT EASEMENT.
AND I TOLD THE CITIZENS, I SAID, WHAT IF THAT LAKE FILLS UP WITH DIRT AND IT WILL FILL UP EVENTUALLY IN A MILLION YEARS OR SO, BUT WHEN IT FILLS UP, THE ONLY THING THE COUNTY'S GONNA DO IS GOING TO CLEAN 10 FEET ACROSS THE CENTER OF THAT LAKE.
AND THAT'S THE SAME THING IF YOU GO OVER TO SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS MM-HMM
SO IT, THE REALITY OF THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY BUYING INTO? WHAT ARE WE BUYING INTO? I MEAN, WE GOT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, IF WE HAVE A, A SUBDIVISION COMING IN, AND I GUARANTEE YOU EVERY, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ME OR WHOEVER THE SUPERVISOR'S GONNA BE AT THE TIME, AND THEY COULD BE WARNED ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUES, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES.
THEY'RE GONNA BE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR.
EVEN, I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WHAT WE'RE BUYING INTO HERE.
DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH OF THE STORMWATER PROJECTS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GONNA BE DEVELOPED VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY LOTS? I CAN ASK ROBERT TO HELP OUT OR, OR ROB, BUT I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE, ARE RELATED TO TMDL TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE STATE.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON.
AND 1972, SOMETHING CALLED THE CLEAN WATER ACT WAS ENACTED BY THE EPA.
AND BASICALLY WHAT IT DID IS IT PASSED THE ADMINISTRATION FOR STORM WATER ON DOWN TO THE STATE.
AND THEY IN TURN PASSED IT ON DOWN TO THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
SO WE HAVE TO GET AN MS FOUR PERMIT FOR INSPECTIONS.
WE DO TOTAL DAILY MAXIMUM LOAD, WHICH IS, WHEN YOU THINK OF IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT WHEN YOU, THE AVERAGE PERSON, THEY'RE LEAKING OIL, THE FERTILIZER ON THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK WALL THAT GOES IN THE STORM WATERS SYSTEM GOES RIGHT INTO THE YORK RIVER.
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OVER TIMES IT'S CHANGED, UH, TITLE SUM, BUT THEY'LL PUT ON REQUIREMENTS TO MOVE SO MUCH POLLUTANTS.YOU GET POINTS FROM NEW YORK, YOU GET POINTS FROM THE JAMES.
THE LAST TIME IT WAS RETITLED, IT WAS, UH, HOLD ON SWIFT, THEY CALL IT THE SUSTAINABLE WATER INITIATIVE FOR TOMORROW.
SOME THINGS CHANGED AND WE ARE AHEAD RIGHT NOW OF THE CURVE FOR THE 28 REMOVAL OF THE POLLUTANT.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A BEYOND 28, THEY'LL RESET THE GOALPOST.
AND WE GET A LOT OF IT THROUGH SLT GRANTS.
SO A LOT OF IT IS WHERE CAN WE CAPTURE SLT GRANT MONEY, UH, FIX A PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW EXIST, GET SOME POINTS, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR PROGRAM.
AND THEN SOME OF IT WAS, UH, WHEN CELESTIAL WAY WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPED, UH, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TOUGH TALK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IN OF, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO KEEP THE HOMES FROM FLOODING.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY'RE GONNA CALL PUBLIC WORKS.
SO THERE WAS A, A SCRAMBLE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
QUESTION DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO BE PUTTING MORE WORK INTO OUR CODES? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT CODES AND THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS MANDATES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYING YOU'LL REMOVE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
THINK, THINK ABOUT THE QUESTION THIS WAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE IN THE COUNTY CODE TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF, CALL IT TO PUBLIC WORKS TO COME ADDRESS ISSUES AT CELESTIAL WAY OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT TRANQUILITY? OR THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER ONE.
BUT I MEAN, JUST GOING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IF, IF THEY FLOOD, THEY'RE GONNA CALLED PUBLIC WORKS.
WHAT COULD BE DONE NOW TO MITIGATE, HERE'S THE OTHER THING WORKS.
SO IF YOU BUY, ROBERT MIGHT, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU CAN BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT BAY TREE BEACH AND WHEN THEY COME, THEY'LL GET A PERMIT TO BUILD THE WALL AROUND THE HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE HOME THERE THAT'S GOING TO FLOOD ON BAY TREE BEACH ROAD.
IS THAT SEA SLOPE? WELL, THE, THE, THE BIGGER, ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES THAT TWO TIED TO THIS.
WHEN THEY FIRST BUILT BMPS OR THIS PONDS, THE DAY THEY BUILT PMPS, THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR ONE PURPOSE ONLY.
AND THAT WAS A CATCH PHOSPHATES, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS JUST KIND OF A STUPID THING BECAUSE IT'S JUST PHOSPHATES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT EVERYBODY WAS THINKING, NOW THEY THROW 'EM FERTILIZER OUT.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE PHOSPHATES COMING FROM.
SO, SO THEY, THAT'S, THAT WAS IT.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE STANDARD FOR A BNP WAS DIG A HOLE AND IT WOULD CATCH THE PHOSPHATES.
SO THEN THEY GOT WISE TO THIS AND THEY SAID, OKAY, THERE'LL BE PHOSPHATES, NITRATES AND SEDIMENT.
THOSE ARE THE THREE, THOSE ARE THE THREE LINES.
AND YOU HAVE TO, BASED ON YOUR SHORE SHORELINE, SHORELINE AND, AND A FEW OTHER, OTHER WEIRD RULES.
THEY CAME UP WITH THE TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD.
WHAT'D YOU FIND OUT? VIRGINIA BEACH HAS A LOWER STANDARD THAN WE HAVE IN YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS EXPOSURES TO CHESAPEAKE BAY THAN WE DO.
AND UH, AND THE COST, IF WE LOOKED AT THE ESTIMATES ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO, WAS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
IT WAS, IT WAS ALMOST, IT WAS AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ALMOST GOING BIGGER ANNUALLY THAN OUR BUDGET.
SO THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF CREDITS.
WE STARTED GETTING CREDIT FOR ALL THE WORK WE USED TO DO.
AND IF YOU GO LOOK AT NEW BMPS BUILT TODAY.
THEY'RE BUILT WITH A LOT OF THE RIP WRAP LAID UP ON THE FRONT.
THEY GOT, UH, FLOW IN, FLOW OUT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS.
RUNNING MAN'S A GREAT EXAMPLE, 600 HOMES.
UM, AND THEY GOT A BP ONE ONE BIG BP OR A SORT OF A BNP.
ONLY THING THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IS, IS JUST DREDGE OUT THE FRONT PART OF THE POND.
THAT'S WHERE THE SEDIMENT SITS.
THEY DREDGE IT OUT AND DUMP IT ON THE UP ON THE BANK.
THAT'S ALL, ALL THEY GOTTA DO.
OKAY? THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO DRAIN ANYTHING.
AND RUNNING AND WOODLAKE CROSSING HAS NO, HAS NO REQUIREMENT TO DRAIN ANYTHING OUT OF THE 10 LAKE, 10 ACRE LAKE.
SO NEW ONES NOW ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE OF THIS.
SO THE QUESTION FOR US KIND OF GOES BACK TO YOUR, YOUR POINT WAS, AND YOUR POINT ABOUT THE CODE, WHICH WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, WE MAY NOT, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY IN THAT WAY.
OKAY? BUT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, WHEN THEY GET THE BLESSING OF THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, MAN, ALL WE GOTTA DO IS WE JUST STEP BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING MORE WE CAN DO UNLESS WE'RE GONNA TAKE, TRY TO FIGHT
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IT.AND THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK.
SO I THINK THE ISSUE, IF BAY TREE BEACH, A GREAT EXAMPLE, YOU BUILT DOWN AT BAY TREE BEACH, YOU BETTER BE BUILDING IT.
SO THE HOUSE IS SIX FEET OR NINE FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
YOU GOTTA, YOUR DRIVEWAY IS UNDER YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE ELEVATED.
AND WE WENT AND GOT GRANTS AND WE DID WHAT, SIX HOMES? I THINK ABOUT 6, 5, 6 HOMES WAS A NIGHTMARE.
OKAY? BUT WE FINALLY GOT 'EM JACKED UP AND, UH, WE WERE SEEING THAT DOWN IN POCOS AND ALONG THE COAST.
SO THE PROBLEM IS, I COME BACK TO DRAINAGE, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE BUYING INTO? WHAT THESE PROJECTS YOU GOT LISTED HERE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE THINGS WE YOU SEE FROM THE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE HERE AND NOW IS.
DID YOU, DID YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT, THAT MIGHT BE RELATED TO WHAT FOOD IN THE FUTURE AS FAR AS PUTTING HOUSES IN AROUND THESE THINGS? LET, I'LL LET ROBERT OR ROB EXPLAIN
SO, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BMPS EARLIER, PRE DEVELOPMENT FLOW.
UH, SO WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT HOW BMPS WERE INITIALLY, UH, INTEGRATED INTO THE SYSTEM TO MANAGE PHOSPHATE, NITRATES, AND, UH, UH, S SEDIMENT.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE A QUANTITY FACTOR.
SO WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENTS ARE PROPOSED NOWADAYS, THEY HAVE TO DO A QUANTITY CONTROL ON THE WATER, LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT DURING STORM EVENTS.
AND IN MOST CASES, WE FOLLOW THE STATE CODE, WHICH IS THEY HAVE TO MANAGE IT TO, AT, OR BE BELOW PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS WITH A MAXIMUM HOLD OF IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN A REDUCTION PASSED IF THE SITE HAD BEEN ENTIRELY FORESTED BEFORE IT WAS DEVELOPED.
SO A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ARE IN AREAS THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED YEARS AND YEARS AGO, UH, WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME, AND THEREFORE, WE'RE MITIGATING FOR THOSE ISSUES.
MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE NOT COMING NEAR OR CLOSE TO NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE THUS FAR.
IT'S MORE IN OLDER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE SITUATIONS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO WORSEN OVER TIME, SUCH AS, UH, QUEENS LAKE, SUCH AS BRIGHTWOOD AND AREAS LIKE THAT.
SO WE, SO ARE WE RETROFITTING, AS IN OUR PLAN HERE, IS THIS GONNA BE A RETROFIT OF THE STORMWATER? A LOT OF THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A RETROFIT.
IT'S AREAS THAT WEREN'T, UH, PLANNED OR MITIGATED FOR IN THE PAST BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS DIDN'T EXIST.
SO NOW WE'RE ESSENTIALLY RETROFITTING THEM ONE, TO MEET OUR TMD ACTION PLAN AND TWO, TO PROTECT, UH, PROPERTY IN THE AREAS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THAT.
SO WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND THAT COME, THAT GOES BACK TO MY, MY COMMENT 15 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
NOW I KNOW WHERE THE A HUNDRED MILLION IS GOING, IS GOING IN RETROFIT.
SO IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT WE CAN DO, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THAT'S GONNA BE A FEDERAL MANDATE ON US.
UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT
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CALENDAR.YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER THE PROJECT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER THESE PROJECTS.
I, I WASN'T GONNA GO IN LINE, BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THEM, WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
THIS, GUYS, THIS IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
IF YOU'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, THIS, YOU, YOU'VE PRIORITIZED THE PROJECTS, RIGHT? WE HAVE, YES, SIR.
SO WHILE EVERYBODY'S SITTING HERE, I WANT TO SEE WHAT SOMEBODY'S PRIORITIES ARE, ESPECIALLY IN STORM WATER.
WE'VE BEEN, BEEN THROUGH THIS TWICE PREVIOUSLY.
BUT WE DID IT IN A KIND OF A, KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, TEXAS WIND OR KENTUCKY WINDAGE HERE.
I WANTED, I WANT SOMETHING BECAUSE YEAH, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN HANGING OUT HERE FOR A WHILE.
WHICH WINDS ARE YOU LOOKING AT, TODD? FIVE YEARS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? STORMWATER.
STORMWATER EXTENSION PROJECTS.
WE'VE GOT, THEY'VE DOUBLE ROAD HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, WE'VE HAD LIKE WHITE FAULKNER.
WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? UH, WE'RE DOING THAT NOW.
THAT WAS LIKE, UH, $20 MILLION.
IT WAS LIKE $19 MILLION DOWN THERE.
AND BECAUSE WE WENT TO ALL THOSE YEARS, WE REALLY PUSHED OFF A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN.
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ON? SO, SORRY, PAGE EIGHT.SO THE SEWAGE SYSTEM TO ME IS, IS A CRITICAL ONE, ALRIGHT? BECAUSE IT INVOLVES A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
ONE, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY EXPENSIVE, ALRIGHT? AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BEEN SITTING OUT THERE.
I'VE BEEN PROMISING PEOPLE WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS THING FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHICH NUMBER? THIS IS THE BIG BETHEL ROAD NUMBER SEVEN.
AND SO, I, I MEAN, HOW MANY, HOW MANY MORE YEARS ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THIS THING? RIGHT? THIS IS A DI I MEAN, THIS IS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SEWAGE, BUT THEY'RE CRITERIA THAT THEY FOLLOW, THAT THEY, THEY JUDGE ALL OF THESE IS THEY DO IT.
WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SHIFTED THE, THEY SHIFTED THIS, THIS LIST AROUND.
AND THEY DID IT BECAUSE WHAT'S THE MORE AFFORD YOU, YOU DID IT ON AFFORDABILITY, RIGHT? I KNOW.
AND THEY SHIFTED THIS AND HE MADE IT.
SO THEY GO DOWN HERE AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT LOTS DRIVE.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT OFF A GOOD ONE, NICK.
THERE'S A SMALL PORTION AT THE VERY END OF THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE CR BUT BY HARLEY DAVIDSON.
IT'S BECAUSE THESE BIGGER PROJECTS HAVE GONE IN AND SUCKED UP ALL THE MONEY UP IN QUEENS LAKE AND IN YOU'RE RIGHT, WORDS', WHITE STOCK.
THAT'S UP IN NICK UP IN DISTRICT ONE ALSO.
RIGHT? THAT'S BY TODD RV BETWEEN DOT RV AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND 17 EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF 17.
THAT'S DESERT ONE, RIGHT? IT'S DISTRICT TWO, TWO, DISTRICT 2, 2, 2 AND THREE.
SO THAT'S LIKE $36 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS FOR, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO I, MY MY POINT IS YOU NEED TO GET BIG BETHEL ROAD MOVED UP, MR. ME, I MEAN, ENOUGH'S ENOUGH.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, BEEN SITTING DOWN HERE FOR TOO LONG WAITING FOR THIS PROJECT TO GO ON.
IN FACT, MR. BROWN IS WHAT IS, IS NOT IN BIG BETHEL ROAD.
IT'S CLOSE TO IT OVER THE OLD OAK WAS BEHIND THE OLD, UH, DAIRY QUEEN.
UH, HE WAS THE GUY THAT CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT WE COULD PAY IN ADVANCE.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD GO AND PUT LIKE A SAVING DEPOSIT.
YOU JUST PUT MONEY IN TO PAY FOR YOUR SEWER WHEN THE CONNECTION FEES COME UP.
NOW THE CONNECTION FEES IN THOSE DAYS ARE AROUND $4,000, MAYBE 3,800.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
THEY HAVEN'T MOVED 'EM LIKE, OKAY, 20 YEARS.
SO AT LEAST THAT, THAT PART'S GOING IN, WE'RE NOT ADVERTISING IT ENOUGH.
I THINK FOR FOLKS THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, MERRY CHRISTMAS, YOU NOW HAVE TO PUT IN A SEWER LINE.
I GUESS WHAT I WANNA ASK IS HOW LONG HAVE THE ONES PRIOR TO BIG BETHEL BEEN, UH, ON THE LIST? AND IF YOU THE ON THE LIST, MA'AM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST COLUMN, N OURS MEAN THEY WEREN'T ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, IF THEY DO HAVE A NUMBER NEXT TO THEM, YEAH.
THAT MEANS THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE RANKED BACK IN 2010.
RIGHT? SO, SO 15 YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WAITING THESE PEOPLE ALSO LONGER.
NOW THE ONLY GIVE ONE CAVEAT, I'M JUST GONNA SHOOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT ON THIS
WHEN YOU LIST AS PRIORITIZATION, WHAT DID YOU BASE IT ON? IT'S BASED OFF THE CRITERIA THAT, THAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BEEN, IT'S PRETTY OBJECTIVE BEEN, BEEN IN EFFECT FOR A WHILE.
WE DID ASK, WE DID ADD ONE KEY THING ON THERE.
IT WAS COST PER UNIT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA.
NOW, I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE TO PRIORITIZE TO MAKE, MAKE IT, MAKE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE.
BUT I COULD TELL YOU, I KNOW THE FACT THAT THIS WAS LAID OUT BASED ON MONEY AFFORDABILITY, IT'S BASED ON AFFORDABILITY AND IT'S TIME FOR THESE PEOPLE ON BIG BETHEL ROAD TO GET THEIR SEWER.
SO MR. SHEPHERD, I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE AGREEMENT OF THE BOARD, I'M PRETTY SURE JOHN WOULD BE HAPPY TO REARRANGE THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A SUGGESTION BASED OFF A CRITERIA THAT WAS, IT'S A STAFF SUGGESTION.
SO EVERYTHING'S LIKE I SAID, WELL THIS WAS DONE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE PLAYING FAVORITES.
I'M GETTING TIRED OF GETTING TIRED OF THE GAME WE'RE HAVING TO PLAY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PULLING IN ENOUGH MONEY ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, ENTERPRISE FUND TO, TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS.
SO THEN I MIGHT SUGGEST SOMETHING ELSE TO YOU, THERESA, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS.
SO WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RATE STUDY AND PART OF THAT RATE STUDY IS ALSO GONNA LOOK AT, AT OUR BORROWING AND HOW THAT MIGHT FIT IN OUR CIP PLAN.
SO WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO DO IS PAUSE AND WAIT UNTIL THE RATE STUDY, AND JOHN SAID EARLIER THAT THEY THOUGHT HE
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WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, WHICH MIGHT WANNA DO IS PAUSE AND SEE WHAT CAPACITY WE HAVE TO MOVE THESE PIECES AROUND.MY GOAL WOULD BE WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
I MEAN, I, I'M GIVING YOU, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S LONG AS I CAN WAIT WITHOUT STANDING ON TOP OF THIS TABLE SCREAMING AT EVERYBODY.
BUT THE THING IS ENOUGH, HE WAS UNDER THE TABLE LAST MEETING.
I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT APPROACH.
BUT I THINK WE LEAVE IT TO THE CIP DISCUSSION AND, AND RAISE IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE POINT.
I'M GONNA MOVE NOW TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES, THAT'S NUMBER THREE.
NUMBER FOUR IS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER, SECOND QUARTER OF 2025.
UH, NUMBER FIVE IS THE STRATEGIC STRATEGIC CAPITAL PLAN.
WASTEWATER STORM WATER TRANSPORTATION, WHICH WE HEARD FOR THREE THAT PASSES.
UH, SIX IS TO AUTHORIZE PARTICIPATION IN NATIONWIDE OPIOID SETTLEMENT WITH THE STACKER FAMILY.
THAT WAS AN INTERESTING READING ONE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PULL FOR, FOR THE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ON THE, UM, OPIOID DISCUSSION.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN INTERESTING ONE TO READ.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT MUCH MONEY.
MR. HILL, I THINK PROBABLY COULD ANSWER.
MR. HILL, WOULD YOU PLEASE? QUESTION DEPENDS ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS, BUT YES.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WELL, IT, IT JUST, IT IT APPEARED TO BE A FAIRLY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOUR COUNTY, UH, I'M SURE IT'S RECEIVES.
IS THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN TERMS OF COSTS? SO WE, THIS PARTICULAR SETTLEMENT, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING UP AT THE NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS, RIGHT? THIS IS WITH THE SACKLER FAMILY.
AND YOU MAY HAVE READ ALL THE NEWS.
THE PURDUE PHARMA, THIS IS THE FAMILY THAT OWNED THE COMPANY, HAS ARRIVED AT A SEPARATE SETTLEMENT APART FROM PURDUE, WHICH IS DOING THEIR, THEIR OWN BANKRUPTCY.
SO THEIR SETTLEMENTS THROUGH BANKRUPTCY.
WE ARE LOCKED IN BECAUSE WHEN THIS INITIALLY CAME ABOUT, THE OPIOIDS, A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES, AND YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE JOINED OUR OWN INSULIN LAWSUIT.
A NUMBER OF LOCALITIES, UM, DID THEIR OWN, INITIATED THEIR OWN LITIGATION.
AND THEN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AT TACKED ON TOP OF THAT, THEIR OWN LITIGATION ON BEHALF OF ALL THE LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA.
SO SEVERAL LOCALITIES, FOR INSTANCE, WISE COUNTY GETS A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER PORTION THAN WE DO.
WHICH MAKES SENSE AT SOME LEVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE THE COSTS AND THE, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT WHAT THEY'VE INCURRED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, OPIOID CRISIS IS SIGNIFICANT.
UM, WE GET A PORTION THAT WAS SET AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
THAT'S THE PORTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN EVERY SETTLEMENT THAT WE GET THROUGH THESE OPIOID SETTLEMENTS THAT WE GET AS PART OF THE STATE.
AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKED EVERY SINGLE TIME IS 'CAUSE THEY NEED EVERY LOCALITY TO APPROVE IT, TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT.
SO I THINK, UM, SAM HAD PREPARED SOME BASIC NUMBERS.
IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL, WE'RE GONNA GET OVER THE 16 PAYMENTS, AND THIS IS NOT EXACT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY LOCALITIES PARTICIPATE, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $395,000 SPREAD OUT OVER THAT TIME.
AND THEN YOU ADD THAT TO ALL THE OTHER OPIOID SETTLEMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE WITH ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT, IT, IT ADDS UP EVENTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE A SMALLER PERCENTAGE THAN, THAN SOME.
SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IT PROBABLY DOESN'T FULLY COMPENSATE AND MITIGATE US ANYMORE THAN IT DOES ANY LOCALITY.
BUT IT'S A, IT'S A PRODUCT OF THE, THE WAY THAT WE CHOSE TO GO ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN THESE SETTLEMENTS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT DICTATES HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GETTING.
NUMBER SIX, DID YOU MOVE THE NO, I SIX.
I GOT A QUESTION NUMBER, NUMBER SIX.
WHAT IS NUMBER SIX? THAT, THAT'S NUMBER SIX THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHICH ONES A PLAN? THE NUMBER FIVE.
I, SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? OKAY, NUMBER FIVE.
WHAT ARE WE APPROVING? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT WE VOTING ON APPROVING HERE ON NUMBER FIVE? UH, THIS PLAN, WELL, WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, BUT WE, BUT, BUT JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVED THE PLAN AS IT STANDS TODAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CANNOT COME BACK INTO IT AND MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IF, IF THE, IF IT WARRANTS AN ADJUSTMENT.
SO, BUT BASICALLY WE'RE APPROVING THE PLAN AS IT STANDS TODAY.
UPDATING IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T UPDATE IT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE MORE.
YOU'VE, YOU'VE YOUR POINT, WANNA KEEP THIS THING ALIVE.
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WANNA, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT NOT TONIGHT.SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T PROVE THIS PLAN? YOU GUYS STOP DOING STUFF.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS UNTIL WE GET, WE GET THE FINAL WORD ON IT.
THIS PLAN, IT'S GONNA BE THE END OF THE YEAR PLAN.
WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, THIS DRAFT PLAN'S.
AND I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY LOOKS GOOD, EXCEPT IT'S GOT BIG BETHEL, BIG BETHEL ROAD IN THE WRONG PLACE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT UP NOW, I'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT AS A PLAN.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GO ALONG WITH THAT, DON'T THEY? LOOK AT IT.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
YEAH, WELL WHEN WE HAVE A LOOK AT IT, THEN I'LL COME BACK AND I'LL WORK ON THIS PLAN.
I MEAN, NOW THAT I'VE GOT THIS BIG HOLE IN IT.
SO WE BROUGHT THE PLAN TO YOU BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS APPROVED AS WELL.
I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THE ORIGINAL WAS PLANNED EITHER.
IT'S WORKED OUT TOO BAD SIR, SIR.
SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY FOR US TO GET GUIDELINES WITH THE BOARD'S DIRECTION.
SO THAT'S A LOOSE PLAN HOW WE RATED 'EM AND, AND YOU GUYS WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT WITH, WITH JOHN AND ALL HIS ONE-ON-ONES.
HOWEVER, EACH YEAR THE CIP IS GONNA MOVE FORWARD.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT'S NEXT YEAR AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE OUT YEARS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'LL SEE THIS STUFF ON A CONSENT CALENDAR AND YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ULTIMATE CONTROL.
UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THIS AND, AND THEN MAKE THIS PLAN FINE.
WE'LL HAVE BETTER PROJECTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE SEWER FUND BASED OFF THE SEWER RATE STUDY.
YOU IN THE ARMY, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD A PLAN, IT'S ONLY GOOD TO CONTACT ANYWAY, RIGHT? YES SIR.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ME.
UM, BECAUSE I'VE GONE ALONG TOO MANY DECADES HERE WAITING FOR THIS THING TO, TO SORT OF S WAY OUT.
SO I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT, WHAT'S THE MOST PALATABLE WAY OF DOING THIS? I'M NOT GONNA PROVE THIS LIKE IT IS.
I MEAN, YOU GONNA, WE CAN WE NOT BRING IT? WE GOT IT AND SAY, OH YEAH, IT LOOKS OKAY, BUT, UH, WE BRING IT BACK WHEN WE FINALIZE IT IN A YEAR.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR MAJOR HANGUP? JUST THE HANG UP.
THE, THE ORDER OF PRIORITIZATION.
WHAT? WELL, TOM, I'M FIGHTING FOR MY CONSTITUENCY TO, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT LOOKING AT IT WHEN THE CIP COMES UP AND TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR TO SEE WHAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
SO WHO'S THE COMPLAINT? AND WE CAN MASSAGE IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE STAFF HAS PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND, AND AND TO THIS, AND I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT AND AS ANY PLAN CAN BE ADJUSTED.
SO WE CAN ADJUST IT WHEN THE TIME COMES.
BUT I THINK WE NEED BOTTOM LINE IS TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK
I'M NOT, IT'S NOT DOING WHAT I WANT IT TO DO.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME AND MY DISTRICT TO SUPPORT MY PEOPLE.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTY SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY.
THAT'S WHY I'M PRETTY UPSET BY THIS BECAUSE I'VE WAITED TOO MANY DECADES TO GET THIS DAMN THING FIXED.
SO THIS THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, UM, BIG BETHEL ROAD RIGHT? PROJECT.
RIGHT? SO, SO YOUR, YOUR CONTENTION IS MAINLY THAT IT'S NOT PRIORITIZED HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN EXCUSE TO PUSH BIG BETHEL ROAD DOWN THE ROAD.
SO TO SPEAK, BUT I'M JUST TIRED OF IT.
BUT IS THAT LIST THAT YOU HASN'T SHARED PUSHED DOWN THE ROAD? OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN, IS THAT, IS THAT IN LIST PRIORITIZATION OR IS THAT, DOES THAT JUST CAPTURE WHAT'S ON YOUR ROADMAP? IT IT IS A PRIORITIZATION LIST AS A STARTING POINT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE FINAL.
IT'S HOW WE KIND OF LOOK AT AND TIME AND SPACE WHERE WE CAN PUT THINGS IN THE CIP.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE SEWER RATE STUDY IS GOING PAINT A PICTURE OF WHAT WE CAN AFFORD.
I DON'T HAVE THAT COMPLETE PICTURE YET.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BIG PICTURE 'CAUSE HE JUST GAVE US AN OPTION FOR MORE AFFORDABILITY.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT UH, THERESA'S GONNA GO LOOK AT.
SO, SO, SO MY TAKEAWAY ON ON WHAT I SAW ON THAT LIST WAS THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU, YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE COUNTY.
THEN WE AS A BOARD AND STAFF NEED TO FIGURE OUT IN WHICH ORDER WE, WE DO THAT.
TWO OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN PRO PROCESS.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE STAR WHITES, FAULKNER IN SPRINGFIELD, SPRINGFIELD ROAD AS FAR AS THE REST OF 'EM.
WHETHER IT BE BIG BEHOLD, OLD DARE ROAD LOST DRIVE OR WHATEVER, UM,
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WITH SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF TO DO FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.AND WE'RE GONNA DICTATE, ALRIGHT, WHAT COMES NEXT AFTER SPRINGFIELD ROAD? WHAT COMES NEXT? AND WHATEVER COMES NEXT AFTER THAT.
MY, I MY TAKEAWAY WASN'T WAS WE'RE APPROVING IT IS GONNA BE THIS LIST AND WE'LL NEVER GET TO BIG BELE ROAD AS IT'S SO FAR, SO FAR DOWN THE LIST THAT THAT WASN'T MY TAKEAWAY.
BUT IF, IF YOU'RE READING IT AS THAT'S THAT'S THE ORDER AND WE'LL NEVER GET TO IT, THEN YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY IS PROBABLY THE PROBLEM.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S IT, BUT THAT WASN'T MY REAL, IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT HERE FOR, AGAIN, FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AND I, AND I, I WAS ALWAYS ONE REASON AFTER ANOTHER WE KEPT PUSHING IT AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POINT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK I PROMISED THESE GUYS THAT WE WOULD'VE HAD A SEWER ALMOST, YOU KNOW, 5, 6, 7 YEARS AGO AND, AND HAVE JUST REACHED A POINT WHERE ENOUGH'S ENOUGH, UH, IT'S EITHER AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.
IF, IF WE CANNOT RAISE MONEY, THEN, THEN THE AFFORDABILITY, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.
I WILL AGREE BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA BREAK THE COUNTY, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THE, OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES AND, AND PRINCIPLES TO GET IT FIXED.
BUT I WANT US TO FOCUS ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE BEEN SINCE YOU BEFORE I WAS ON THE BOARD, SHEILA.
THIS WAY YOU GUYS AND YOU STOP SHORT OF FILLING IN ALL THE SEWER SYSTEMS DOWN HERE.
SO I, I WANT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, BUT, BUT, BUT THEY, BUT THE ASK TONIGHT IS DO YOU APPROVE THIS IN CONCEPT NOT AS A RIGID REPORT? I'LL GO ONE STEP FURTHER.
WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE BIG BETHEL TO 9.5 SO IT MATCHES THE OTHERS THAT, THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST AND WE'LL COME BACK AND DECIDE THE ORDER, UH, WHEN WE GET TO CIP.
JUST JACKET IT UP THERE AND THEN IF WE DON'T CHANGE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON.
CHANGING THE POINTS WHEN WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT MEAN I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
GEE, WELL YOU WERE GONNA PROVE A PLAN JUST AS IT IS WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT.
BELIEVE ME, I'VE GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE DAMN THING.
I CAN GO ALONG WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID.
I I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH WIGGLE ROOM IN HOW YOU SCORE THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM CHANGING IT TO MATCH THE, THE TOP THREE ON THE, ON THE LIST.
WELL, I I THINK A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO ALSO WITH THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN SERVE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THE POINT.
IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER THAT WE'RE SERVING AND IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
IF, IF I, IF I PUT IT UP WITH, UH, PLANTATION AND CARVER RATE, RATE 'EM ALL AT 9.5 AND THEN DECIDE BASED ON FUNDING WHEN WE CAN APPROVE OR WHEN WE CAN GO FORWARD, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S WHAT WE SAID WE DO WITH, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT NOW.
THESE, THE FIRST TWO ARE, ARE UNDERRATED.
AND, AND I'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FOR OLD DARE ROAD THAT'S ONLY A HANDFUL OF HOUSES.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S HOW MOST OF THOSE PROJECT, THE RELATIVELY SMALLER PROJECTS, THE ONES PRIOR TO BIG BETHEL, THAT IS PROBABLY THE NEXT BIGGER, YOU KNOW.
WELL THAT'S DEFINITELY THE BIGGEST ONE SIZE OF THE PROJECTS ARE DIMINISHING EXPENSIVE EXCEPT FOR SHAPE STATES.
AND, AND THERE IS SOME FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION.
I DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GET CHEAPER.
DO IT LATER SO SOON YOU GET IT DONE.
I THINK THE IDEA, WE PUT IT UP THERE BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES, IT DOESN'T TAKE, IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T FORGET IT.
IT'S GONNA WANNA BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST, GONNA BE AT THE TOP.
IT STILL COMES BACK TO A FUNDING QUESTION THAT WE'LL EVENTUALLY WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO IT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
AND I SO EVEN THOUGH WE MOVE IT TO THE TOP, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE FUNDING WILL BE THERE TO DO IT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE JUST SAID.
AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS ARE YOU GIVING FALSE HOPE? NO.
YOU'RE GIVING NO, WHAT MY DESIRE RIGHT NOW IS TO GET IT OFF THE BOTTOM AND GET IT UP IN UP TOP.
GET US FOCUSED ON IT AND KEEP US FOCUSED ON IT.
AND THE STAFF WILL BE FOCUSED, WE'RE FOCUSING ON IT, BUT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHETHER THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME TO DO IT.
I I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE LAST TIME.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HURO IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS AMENDED.
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HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION? I DON'T THINK SO.WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE TO GO.
WHO HAS SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT NOW? I DO.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO? I HAVE TWO ITEMS, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, FIRST ONE I WANT TO JUST BRIEF THE BOARD ON A MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEEK.
IT WAS, UM, MEETING OF VACO REGION TWO
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UP IN, UH, GLOUCESTER LIBRARY.SO REGION TWO IS JCC, IT'S YORK COUNTY.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE, UH, NORTHERN NECK PENINSULA, UM, BUT NOT THE LOWER PENINSULA, MIDDLE PENINSULA.
UM, THE PURPOSE WAS TO, UH, GENERATE AN INITIAL DRAFT OF INPUT TO VECO ON LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
UM, MANY ARE REPEATS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
UH, THE VETERANS' TAX EXEMPTIONS, THE STATE ALLOCATIONS FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION INCREASE TEACHER'S COMPENSATION REQUEST THAT LAND USE AND ZONING REGULATIONS REMAIN WITHIN THE AUTHORITIES OF LOCAL ADMIN, LOCAL ADMINISTRATIONS.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF NEW TOPICS AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION.
THEY, UH, THEY INCLUDED COMPENSATION BOARDS FUNDING FORMULA FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, UH, SUPPORT, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING FOR EXTENSION OF THE CAPITOL TRAIL TRAIL 7, 5, 7, AND ADDRESS SOCIAL SERVICES COSTS ANTICIPATED WITH THE FEDERAL BUDGET CHANGES TO PROGRAMS SUCH AS SNAP AND MEDICAID.
SO CONSIDER A J ARC STUDY ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF, UH, OUR MEETING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY FRUITFUL MEETING.
SECOND TOPIC, UM, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE TOPIC OF VACO.
I'M ATTENDING THE SECOND MODULE RIGHT NOW OF, OF THREE OF THE SUPERVISORS CERTIFICATION PROGRAM OFFERED THROUGH VACO.
UM, THE CURRENT, UH, THE, THE MODULES ARE, UH, BUDGETING, PLANNING AND LAND USE AND LEADERSHIP.
WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, IN THE, UH, LEADERSHIP MODULE.
MATT CHASE, WHO IS THE NACO CHAIR.
AND BILL LA, FORMER STATE, UM, CHIEF OF STAFF FOR, FOR BOTH WARNER AND, UM, AND, UH, KANE, UH, LED THE DISCUSSIONS ON LEADERSHIP.
VERY, VERY INTRIGUING AND MM-HMM
UH, REALLY, REALLY ENJOYED THE, THE COURSE.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH IT, I'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER IT.
IT'S, UM, IT'S WELL WORTH YOUR TIME.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A CERTAIN BOARD CERTIFICATION COURSE FOR SUPERVISORS, BOARD SUPERVISORS.
YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH IT.
WELL, YOU SHOULD GO THROUGH IT.
BY THE TIME THEY OFFERED IT, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN IN OFFICE LIKE 15, 16 YEARS.
SO I GOT ALL THE, GOT ALL THE HASH MARKS FROM YOU CAN TEACH IT.
I WAS IN IT IN THE BEGINNING THAT IT STARTED.
SO IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
WELL, I JUST KIND OF WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT EARLY VOTING STARTS THIS MONTH.
SEPTEMBER 19TH I BELIEVE RUNS THROUGH NOVEMBER 1ST.
UM, YOU GO TO OUR REGISTRAR'S OFFICE AND, UM, THE, UM, VICE SQUARE SUB CENTER.
BUT, UH, PLEASE PARTICIPATE IN THE VOTING PROCESS AND, UH, BE PART, BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
UM, IT ONLY TOOK ME 30 MINUTES TO GO THREE MILES FROM MY HOUSE.
UM, WASHINGTON DC HAS NOTHING ON US WHEN IT COMES TO A CERTAIN TIMES DOWN THERE AROUND 17 AND, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD.
IT IS, UH, I, I WAS ASTOUNDED BECAUSE I, I TOOK THE KIDS OVER TO THE Y WHICH IS NORMALLY A QUICK RUNNING.
THEN I TURN UP 17 TO COME TO THE MEETING.
ONLY FIND OUT THAT THEIR PROGRAM WAS TO CANCEL FOR THAT DAY.
AND SO I HAD TO DO THE REVERSE ROUTE, WHICH IS THE WORST TIMES EVERYBODY'S GOING HOME.
THAT'S ALL I COULD SAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T GO PA ANY FURTHER.
IT WAS PLUGGED UP AND ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, PAST, UM, SEE IT WAS DOWN PROBABLY THE CIES CHAPEL.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ABOUT THREE MILES.
AND UM, AND THEN PEOPLE WERE PEELING OFF ON THE SIDE ROADS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BIG BETHEL ROAD IS BACKED UP 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THERE.
UM, AND UH, THERE WAS JUST HUGE, IT WAS JUST A MESS.
AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT PATIENCE.
WE NEED TO BE PATIENT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A SLOW DRAG GETTING HOME AND IT'S GONNA BE GOING ON UNTIL AT LEAST THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR.
SO I HAD, I HAD TO WONDER, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UH, SURVEY EARLIER, THE SCORE WE GOT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
IF THEY HAD ASKED THE SAME QUESTION NOW WONDER WHAT THAT SCORE WOULD BE.
WE ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE ALL THIS STARTED.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS WE THE PEOPLE, THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WHICH IS COMING ON SEPTEMBER THE 20TH, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU THAT THE COLONIAL NATIONAL PARK, JERRY MAR IS SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH WORK.
IT, THE WHOLE ACTIVITY BEGINS LIKE AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON AND GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF, LOTS OF FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE EVEN EVEN GOT THE QUILT THAT'S BEING DONE AND THEY'VE GOT SQUARES THAT PEOPLE WANNA SIT THERE AND, AND, AND DO IT IN THE AFTERNOON AND LISTEN TO THE BANDS.
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AND, UM, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS A, A MARVELOUS THING.AND THIS IS THE FIRST BIG THING THAT, THAT THE PARK SERVICE HAS DONE.
AND, AND THEY'VE GOT SO FAR OVER 4,000 PEOPLE WHO'VE SIGNED UP.
SO DO COME BRING YOUR OWN CHAIRS AND IF YOU WANNA BRING A PICNIC, THAT'S FINE, BUT OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR DINNER AT INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO IT.
BUT THE ACTIVITIES FOR CHILDREN AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON START THREE O'CLOCK.
AND THE COUNTY'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL AS FAR AS PARKING AND GETTING THE PARKING SET UP AND SO FORTH.
AND THIS IS ALL GONNA BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THIS ACTIVITY IS.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PARK SERVICE BUILDING IS, IF YOU'RE STANDING, STANDING LOOKING OUT TOWARDS, UH, THE ROAD, ALL TO THE, ALL TO THE LEFT SIDE IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND THEY, AND THEY'VE GOT THE OLD, WHAT IS IT? OLD GUARD.
THE OLD GUARD IS COMING, UH, NOT JUST THE BAND, BUT THE WHOLE REGIMEN OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND ALSO OUR FIVE AND DRUM CORPS IS GONNA BE PART OF IT.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A MUSIC INTERPLAY BETWEEN OLD GUARD MUSICIANS AND LIFE AND DRUM MUSICIANS.
ARE THEY, HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO, HOW ARE THEY GONNA SHOW THE, THE, THE MOVIE? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SETTING IT UP ON A BIG SCREEN OUTSIDE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BRING YOU CHAIRS AND SITTING, YOU'RE GONNA WA RIGHT, BUT WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY SETTING IT UP? I MEAN, UM, IT'S BETWEEN CENTER READ OUT NINE AND 10 TOWARDS, OKAY, SO IT'S ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BIG PARK AREA? YES.
IT, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE WE PARK FOR THE FOURTH.
AND WHERE ARE THEY GONNA LET PEOPLE PARK? THEY PARK JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE 4TH OF JULY ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR WAS SAYING THE PARKING WOULD BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
LIKE WE NORMALLY DO FOR THE 4TH OF JULY.
SO ANYWAY, THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND IT'S A WONDERFUL WAY TO GET STARTED ON THE 250TH.
UH, IT IS, WE, THE PEOPLE, THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND IT'S, UH, KEN BURNS.
IS THAT WHAT HIS LAST NAME IS? YES, KEN.
AND THE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHOWING IS THE PART THAT TAKES PLACE IN YORKTOWN.
SO IT, IT, IT'S A FAMILY AFFAIR AND IT'S A YORKTOWN AFFAIR.
SO Y'ALL COME WITH THAT, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? NO, MA'AM.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY?
AND THE BOARD MOVES OUR CALL 16TH, 16 6:00 PM FRIDAYS 16TH.