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GOOD[Call to Order]
EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE YORK, UH, COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ON JUNE 17TH.
ROLL CALL PLEASE AFTER WE CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS EVENING, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE PASTOR ROBIN MUTTI FROM THE GRAFTON CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE, ESPECIALLY SINCE I AM A YORK COUNTY RESIDENT AS WELL.
HEAVENLY POWER, WHO GIVES LIFE AND BREATH TO ALL LIVING THINGS.
WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS TO BE UPON THOSE GATHERED HERE WHO HOLD POSITIONS OF RESPONSIBILITY.
MAY THEY HAVE EYES TO SEE, EARS TO HEAR, AND HEARTS TO GATHER TRUTH THROUGH YOUR GRACE.
PLEASE, HOLY CREATOR, PROVIDE THESE LEADERS WITH YOUR WISDOM THAT THEY MAY DECIDE RIGHTLY ON BEHALF OF THOSE THEY SERVE AND REPRESENT.
WE PRAY WITH A UNIFIED VOICE THAT THEY WILL BASE THEIR DECISIONS UPON THE GOOD FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND COLLEAGUES.
IT IS OUR BELIEF THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL RELY UPON YOUR ENDURING STRENGTH AND ABUNDANT JUSTICE TO FORM THEIR OPINIONS AND PLANS FOR ACTION FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES IN THIS COUNTY.
WE HUMBLY ENTREAT YOU TO LOOK UPON EACH ONE WITH YOUR LOVING KINDNESS AND GIVE THEM THE CLARITY OF DISCERNMENT FOR ALL THAT THEY SAY AND DO ON BEHALF OF OTHERS.
THEY REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES, THE STUDENTS AND THE INSTRUCTORS, THOSE WHO LEAD AND THOSE SEEKING LEADERS IN ALL OF THEIR CONVERSATIONS, DEBATES AND RESOLUTIONS, MAY THEY ALWAYS SEEK YOUR GUIDANCE, FIRST AND FOREMOST.
UH, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
STEPHEN, WOULD YOU DO IT? PLEASE? CERTAINLY, A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[1. Presentation of Retirement Resolution: Chief Stephen P. Kopczynski]
THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS A VERY SPECIAL ONE.IT'S ONE THAT I WOULD NOT LIKE TO DO, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE REASON BEHIND IT.
CHIEF KISKI, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD?
I JUST WANNA SAY THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS HERE, THAT WE'RE SO SORRY THAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO MAKE THIS BIG DECISION, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN THE EPITOME OF A PUBLIC SERVANT.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'VE PUT THE PEOPLE BEFORE YOURSELF.
YOU'VE PUT YOUR EMPLOYEES BEFORE YOURSELF, AND SAFETY ALWAYS BEFORE YOURSELF.
THANK, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NORMALLY, I LIKE TO READ RESOLUTIONS, BUT THIS ONE IS SO LONG THAT I AM GONNA LET YOU TAKE IT HOME, PUT IT ON YOUR WALL, READ IT YOURSELF, AND THINK OF US OFTEN.
SO IT DON'T WANNA LOSE YOU, STEVE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GO, I KNOW IT.
AND, UH, IT'S WONDERFUL TO HAVE HAD YOU FOR ALL THESE YEARS, ALMOST 50 YEARS.
YOU START, SORRY, YOU STARTED OUT AS A VOLUNTEER.
AND THEN YOU WORKED YOUR WAY UP AND THAT SHOWS PEOPLE THAT YOU COULD DO ANYTHING.
IF YOU HAVE YOUR HEART BEHIND IT, AND YOU CERTAINLY HAD YOUR HEART BEHIND THIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? WOULD YOU FIRST OF ALL THOUGH, HAVE YOUR FAMILY COME UP AND LET'S TAKE A PICTURE.
ME? MY TWO GROWN KIDS ARE
IT'S NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE.
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THANK YOU.THANK, SO THANK YOU, MS. NOEL, AND THANK YOU TO THE BOARD FOR THIS, UH, RECOGNITION.
UH, FIRST THAT I'M BLESSED TO, UH, BE HERE TONIGHT.
UH, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, IT HAS ALWAYS PROTECTED ME AND MY FAMILY, AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE FANTASTIC SUPPORT FROM MY WIFE JULIE, MY GROWN KIDS, HUNTER HALEY, AND, UH, HALEY'S HUSBAND, JIMMY AND THE GRANDKIDS DUSTIN, UH, DANIEL AND, UH, WESTON.
UH, AND ALSO SOME OF MY DIRECT STAFF WITH TRACY PAYNE AND, AND DEPUTY CHIEF, SOON TO BE FIRE CHIEF ALAN BALDWIN.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UH, A ADVENTURE, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY HAS ONLY BEEN POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN A JOB FOR ME.
IT'S BEEN A LOVE FOR, FOR SERVING THE COMMUNITY, AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, WORKING WITH SOME OF THE FINEST FIRE AND RESCUE PERSONNEL YOU'LL FIND ANYWHERE.
UH, IT'S THOSE FOLKS THAT DO THE JOB, THAT MAKE MY JOB EASY AND, UH, HAS MADE IT SO ENJOYABLE.
UH, AS I'VE BEEN AN OFFICER IN THIS DEPARTMENT, AND EVEN WHILE I WAS A FIREFIGHTER, UH, THE FIRE FIREFIGHTERS MEDICS, OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, SERVE THE COMMUNITY WITH PRIDE AND WITH THE COMMITMENT TO CUSTOMER CARE AND TAKING CARE OF THE CITIZENS.
AND BY THE, WHETHER IT'S A FIRE, WHETHER IT'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, OR ANY KIND OF DISASTER FOR THAT MATTER.
SO, UH, I WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR, UH, FOR SUPPORTING ME COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MARK, AND THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS FOR SUPPORTING ME OVER THESE YEARS.
UH, THE MANY TUESDAY NIGHT MEETINGS AND PRIOR TO TUESDAY NIGHTS, THEY WERE WEDNESDAY NIGHTS MANY YEARS AGO.
UH, AND BUT THE BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN SO GRACIOUS TO SUPPORT OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC IN, IN CARING FOR OUR CITIZENS.
AND THANK TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR MEMBERS FOR, UH, FOR ALL THEY'VE DONE WHILE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
NEXT OF THE AGENDA IS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, CITIZEN COMMENTS.AND I HAVE PAM POCHO, WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
I RESIDE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT LAST SATURDAY.
400 CITIZENS IN YORKTOWN AND 4,000 IN WILLIAMSBURG, GATHERED TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS OVER THE RISE OF AN AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT.
THE CONTINENTAL ARMY WAS FORMED 250 YEARS AGO IN RESPONSE TO THE TYRANNY OF A KING.
TRUMP WANTS TO BE KING TRUMP REBELS IN DISPLAYS OF CHAOS.
HIS TARIFFS ON TARIFFS OFF TANK, THE STOCK MARKET, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR BUSINESSES TO PLAN, NOT KNOWING THE FUTURE AND AVAILABILITY OF PRODUCTS.
TRUMP SAYS HE IS ONLY DEPORTING MIGRANTS WHO ARE GUILTY OF VICIOUS CRIMES, BUT HE'S HAD HIS MASKED, GOONS, KIDNAPPING PEOPLE OFF STREETS, MOVING THEM FROM STATE TO STATE TO KEEP ANYONE FROM FINDING THEM.
MOST ARE ONLY GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR ILLEGALLY ENTERING THE US.
TOO OFTEN, THEY END UP IN PRISONS AND COUNTRIES KNOWN FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES WITHOUT EVER BEING CONVICTED BY A COURT.
TRUMP HAS EXPRESSED HIS, HIS BELIEF THAT FEDERAL COURTS HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER HIS ACTIONS BECAUSE OF HIS RANTS.
THE LIVES OF 300 FEDERAL JUDGES HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY HIS MAGA SUPPORTERS.
CHRISTIE NOAM SAID, OF CALLING THE MILITARY TO THE LOS ANGELES.
QUOTE, WE ARE STAYING HERE TO LIBERATE THE CITY FROM SOCIALIST AND THE BURDENSOME LEADERSHIP OF THIS GOVERNOR, AND THAT THIS MAYOR HAS PLACED ON THIS COUNTRY AND WHAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO INSERT INTO THE CITY ON TRUMP'S ORDERS.
NOME ENGAGED MILITARY AGAINST US CITIZENS, AND JULIE ELECTED DEMOCRATS FOR POLITICAL REASONS, NOT PUBLIC SAFETY.
NO WAS TOLD LA POLICE COULD HANDLE ANY UNREST.
THE GOVERNOR MAKES ENGAGEMENT DECISIONS, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT SEEMS THE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
NOW, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE BEING DETAINED FOR CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES.
TRUMP A HYPOCRITE, INVITED AGITATORS TO DC ON JANUARY 6TH, ENCOURAGED ARMED VIOLENCE THAT SILENTLY BY, WHILE LAW ENFORCEMENT WERE BRUTALLY ATTACKED, FEDERAL PROPERTY VANDALIZED AND THE LIVES OF PENCE AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THREATENED.
HE REFUSED TO CALL UP THE NATIONAL GUARD BECAUSE
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HE WAS ENJOYING THE CHAOS OF BEING CONDUCTED IN HIS NAME.AND LATER PARDONED THE CONVICTED WHEN TRUMP WAS ASKED IF HE COULD UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.
WHEN ASKED WHAT THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE MEANT TO HIM, HE SAID, WELL, IT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S A DECLARATION, A DECLARATION OF UNITY AND LOVE AND RESPECT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL TO OUR COUNTRY.
TRUMP'S EXCUSE FOR DOGE IS WEEDING OUT FRAUD.
WHY DID HE PARDON? 13 PEOPLE CONVICTED OF FRAUD INVOLVING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THEY PAID TRUMP FOR THEIR PARDON.
WHILE RESTITUTION TO THE VICTIMS WAS NEGATED, TRUMP WAS FOUND GUILTY OF FRAUD WITH HIS TRUMP UNIVERSITY, HIS TRUMP FOUNDATION AND FINANCIAL ELECTION FRAUD.
BIRDS OF A FEATHER MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY CANNOT ENGAGE IN POLITICAL ACTIVITIES WHILE ON DUTY AT FORT BRAGG.
THEY JOINED TRUMP'S RANTS ABOUT HIS HATRED OF BIDEN AND OTHERS.
WITH BOOZE, A DISGRACE TO THE UNIFORM, THERE WILL BE NO CONSEQUENCES FOR TRUMP'S SUCK UP.
MILITARY LEADERS WIN IS ENOUGH.
THAT WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT I HAD SIGNED UP, UH, FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
BUT IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE IT.
YES, MY NAME IS MARK WILLIAMS. I'M AT FIVE 13 CHARLES ROAD, YORK COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WE COULD GET CAUGHT UP IN NATIONAL DEBATES, FIGURE OUT THE PROBLEMS OF CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON, DC OR WE COULD, UH, THINK LOCALLY AND ACT LOCALLY AND, UH, WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THE COUNTY A BETTER PLACE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS.
COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS NOTHING THIS EVENING.
MA'AM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? NO.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.TOM, WE GOT TO THAT PRETTY QUICK.
LET'S START IT DOWN AT THE OTHER END.
I HAD ONE, UH, ONE ITEM I WANTED TO RAISE MR. BELLAMY.
UM, WE HAD TALKED, UM, IN MARCH, APRIL TIMEFRAME, UH, UH, ABOUT THE BUSINESS LICENSES AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THOSE.
AND, UH, I KNOW I HAD REACHED OUT TO BOTH, UH, SUSAN GOODWIN AND, UH, SARAH WEBB, AND, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO CATCH UP WITH SARAH TODAY.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO, UH, ESTABLISH A DATE FOR, FOR THOSE MEETINGS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AROUND THE LICENSING, UH, PARTICULARLY PRE-POPULATING THE FORMS FOR OUR BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY, UM, DON'T END UP HAVING TO, UH, REDO EVERYTHING THAT EACH YEAR, UH, AS THEY SUBMIT.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, HAVE YOU FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT SCHEDULED.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF EXPECTATION AROUND THINGS THAT WE CAN DELIVER BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S, UH, LICENSES COME DUE.
STEVEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE? I, I DO.
UM, MS. UH, MR. BELLAMY? MR. KRIEGER.
UM, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE APRIL MINUTES FROM, UM, I GUESS FROM THE VS A QUARTERLY MEETING.
AND THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS ON THERE I THINK I NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP WITH.
ONE, I NOTICED THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, DISCREPANCIES IN TONNAGE REPORTED BY TFC IN THEIR PICKUPS AND SOME CONTAMINATION BETWEEN RETAIL PICKUP AND COMMERCIAL PICKUP.
UM, SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE BEING BILLED FOR.
UM, WITH, WITH IT BEING, UM, RECYCLABLES, WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REGULAR HOUSEHOLD TRASH, IT'S GONNA BE A MORE EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL GET SOME FEEDBACK PRETTY SOON ON THAT GETTING SQUARED AWAY.
AND, AND, UM, I'M CURIOUS IS, IS THIS A, THIS WAS A TRAINING ISSUE WITH TFC OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING BIGGER THAT WE NEED, NEED TO ADDRESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CONTENT IS CORRECT.
AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED HOW FAR BACK THIS THIS GOES.
SECOND CONCERN, I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THEIR REPORTING ON THE COMPOST FACILITY AND DOING SOME SIMPLE MATH HERE.
THEY REPORTED THAT, UH, FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, UH, THEY HAVE SOLD
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1,944 CUBIC YARDS OF COMPOST AND AT A PRICE OF, UH, OF 40 3002 28 IN SALES.UH, BUT IF I DO SOME SIMPLE MATH, THAT COMES TO $22 A YARD.
BUT THEY ADVERTISING $26 A YARD LOOKING AT SOIL BLEND, 1578 CUBIC YARDS FOR 40,000 7 0 1 IN REVENUE.
AND AGAIN, SIMPLE MATH SHOWS THAT'S, UH, I THINK IT WAS $26 A YARD THEY TOOK IN, BUT THEY ADVERTISING 28.
BUT THE BIGGEST DISCREPANCY WAS IN MULCH.
THEY, THEY SHOWED IN THE MINUTES THAT, UM, THEY SOLD 24,800 CUBIC YARDS FOR 135,539 AND DOING MATH THERE.
THAT'S $5 AND A HALF APPROXIMATELY PER YARD.
BUT THEY ADVERTISE MULCH ANYWHERE BETWEEN 14, 18 AND $34 A YARD, DEPENDING ON TYPE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIG DISCREPANCY THERE.
AND I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THAT MONEY.
SO WE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND EITHER THAT, EITHER THAT OR MY, MY MATH IS WRONG, BUT IT LOOKS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME.
SO IT'S A LOOK, COUPLE CONCERNS FROM WHAT I'M READING THERE IN, IN THEIR MINUTES.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME MONEY MISSING A MONEY ON THE TABLE OR, OR SOMETHING.
SO IF Y'ALL COULD HELP ME WITH THAT, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I'VE, UH, FINALLY GOT MY ACT TOGETHER HERE.
UM, LAST, UH, OR THIS MONTH, LET'S SEE, WE'RE STILL IN JUNE THIS MONTH.
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I SEND OUT A DISTRICT FIVE REPORT, AND, UH, UH, I'M VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT I TALK ABOUT BECAUSE TO ME, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT, YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT POLITICS OR, UM, A LOT OF WAS, WAS STUFF YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA AFFECT YOU.
AND, UH, THERE WERE TWO THINGS IN THERE I DID HAD A BREAKDOWN, UH, OF THE $11 MILLION THAT WE HAD TO ADD TO THE BUDGET AND THE DETAIL.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT IN HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO INCREASE THE BUDGET AND WHY.
AND I, AND IN THAT REPORT, IT JUST TELLS YOU BASICALLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SPEND? WHY DO WE HAVE TO SPEND AN EXTRA $11 MILLION AND THAT WE HAD TO RAISE THAT, WE GOT IT THROUGH RAISING THE TAX OF 4 CENTS.
BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE REPORT, UH, DEALT WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON VICTORY BOULEVARD, UH, BETWEEN ROUTE ROUTE 17, UH, GEORGE WASHINGTON HIGHWAY AND, AND ROUTE 1 34, WHICH IS HAMPTON BOULEVARD.
OKAY? VERY SMALL STRETCH OF ROAD THAT WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL FOR OVER 20 YEARS, JUST TO GET HIM TO WIDEN THAT ONE LITTLE PIECE.
AND SO, VDOT, UH, UH, MR. ROSSI CAME IN HERE, I THINK LAST TIME.
UH, WE WERE IN HERE AND GAVE A REPORT.
WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL HUNDRED ITEMS. AND I WAS AFRAID THAT THIS ONE, UH, WHICH WILL AFFECT MANY OF YOU, UH, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT TWO, UH, DEFINITELY DISTRICT FIVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN POCOS, UM, AND SOME THAT LIVE IN HAMPTON.
THIS'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS, ESSENTIALLY THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND YOU'VE SEEN THE ROADS, UH, THE ROAD CUT, THE WORK HAS ALREADY STARTED.
A PART OF THAT'S IN SHEILA'S DISTRICT, WHERE THEY'VE, UH, THEY'RE NOW TAKING, UH, WHAT WAS A, UH, INTER EXIT OUT OF, UH, WALMART.
UH, AND THERE WAS A LANE YOU HAD TO MERGE INTO.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT MERGE PART AND EXTEND IT DOWN, UH, TO, UH, KE CREEK PARKWAY.
AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE HOUSES RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD.
UM, YOU COME OVER TOWARDS, UM, ROUTE 17, WHICH, UH, THAT INTERSECTION WITH VICTORY AS THE, UH, RESIDENT ENGINEER OR MANAGER RESIDENT, VDOT, RESIDENT MANAGER WILL, UH, SAY IS THE, THE BUSIEST INTERSECTION IN THE WHOLE DISTRICT.
THERE'S ONLY NINE DISTRICTS, VDOT DISTRICTS, AND IT'S THE BUSIEST ONE IN ALL THE DISTRICTS.
AND, AND, UH, FOR A WHILE THERE, IT WAS THE MOST DANGEROUS DISTRICT BECAUSE, OR INTERSECTION, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE CRASHES WERE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN WE SLOWLY OVER THE MANY, MANY YEARS, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WIDEN, UH, WIDEN IT.
WELL, THIS IS A WIDENING THAT'S TAKEN PLACE.
THEY'RE GONNA PULL ONE LANE, OKAY? AND THE EASTBOUND, UH, DIRECTION THAT GOES FROM, IF YOU WERE GOING FROM, UM, I I 64 TOWARDS POSAN, THAT'S EASTBOUND.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT WAS EASTBOUND.
ANYWAY, ANYWAY, THEY GO PUT A LANE IN THERE, OKAY? ONE LANE.
AND, UM, YOU WOULD THINK, OKAY, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG DEAL.
YOU SAW THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN, UH, IT'S EXPOSED A LOT OF JUNK THAT'S BACK IN THERE.
AND IT'S NOT A VERY PRE SIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE, THE MINIMAL EFFECT.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THEY ALSO, AS YOU ARE GOING TOWARDS PACOIN, THEY'RE GONNA PUT A LEFT TURN LANE, A SECOND LEFT TURN LANE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY GO FROM THE OUTSIDE
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LANES.THEY START WORK ON THE INSIDE LANES.
NOW, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD AND AT, UH, THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MORNING WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE MOVING BACK AND FORTH, THAT'S, UM, THREE LANES ON ONE SIDE, TWO LANES ON THE OTHER, SOON TO BE THREE LANES ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL, ONE OF THOSE LANES IS GONNA GO DOWN TO ONE LANE.
ONE LANE, OKAY? AND IT'S GONNA BE A MESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I TALK ABOUT IN THIS REPORT.
I WANTED EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA BE A MESS.
SO I'M, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT V DOT'S GONNA GET AN EAR FULL.
SHEILA'S GONNA GET AN EARFUL, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S WHAT PROGRESS IS.
IT'S GONNA BE A MESS WHEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GETS DOWN TO ONE LANE, THAT PROJECT, WHICH IT'S NOT GONNA BE FINISHED THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE FINISHED NEXT YEAR.
ALRIGHT? SO THAT MEANS WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE SUMMER, BECAUSE JUNE THE NINTH IS WHEN THE PROJECT STARTED.
AND, AND SO IT'S GONNA BE A LONG, LONG HAUL ON THIS PROJECT.
SO I WANTED TO JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT AS I TOLD THE, THE, AS I SAID, MY REPORT, YOU MIGHT WANNA PLAN, YOU MIGHT WANNA PLAN YOUR ALTERNATE ROUTES, HOW TO GET TO, HOW DO YOU GET TO 64, OR HOW DO YOU GET NORTH OF THE COUNTY? OR HOW DO YOU GET SOUTH TO COUNTY TO HAMPTON, OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO POSAN, OR HOW DO YOU GET TO NASA, OR HOW DO YOU GET TO LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE? YOU BETTER HAVE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE, RIGHT? SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
AND I JUST WILL KEEP REMINDING THE CITIZENS IN OUR AREA, WHICH IS THAT IF YOU GET THE, YOU LOOK AT THE COMPRESSION, THERE'S ABOUT 40,000 PEOPLE DOWN THERE.
AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, SOMETHING TO, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH IT.
IT WON'T BE THE FIRST ONES WE'VE HAD TO LIVE THROUGH, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE AN UGLY ONE.
I SENT THE VDOT INFORMATION SHEET OUT TO MY CONSTITUENTS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS, IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.
SOMETIMES IT ACTUALLY TAKES THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS BEFORE I CAN GET OUT ONTO 17, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER UNLESS THEY FIX THE ROADS.
SO I GUESS PATIENCE IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO PRACTICE FOR A WHILE AND FIND ALTERNATE ROUTES IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
IN FACT, I'VE, I'VE STARTED
I TURN NOW AND I GO DOWN 64 AND COME THE BACK WAY IN ORDER TO GET HERE.
SO THERE, THERE ARE MANY ALTERNATIVE ROUTES, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT.
IN THE MEANTIME, ALL I CAN SAY IS, PLEASE PRACTICE PATIENCE.
OKAY? AND ANOTHER SUBJECT, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UM, UH, FOOD PANTRY VOLUNTEERS.
EVERY YEAR THE BOARD GETS COPIES OF, OF WHAT THE FOOD PANTRY HAS DONE WITH, WITH THE FOOD THAT THEY, THE MONEY THAT THEY COLLECT AND THE MONEY THAT THEY SPEND IN ORDER TO FEED PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP.
AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS.
AND I, AS I SAY TO SOME PEOPLE, THAT'S AN, THAT SHOULD BE A N EXTRA STAR IN THEIR CROWN BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S HARD WORK.
IT'S IT'S WORK THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT GOES ON, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WORK.
SO THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE WHO, WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FOOD PANTRIES OR THOSE OF YOU WHO WORK IN THE FOOD PANTRIES, THANK YOU.
CAN WE HAVE A STAFF? I DON'T WANT TO DISRESPECT.
OH, COULD YOU MOVE? COULD, CAN YOU MOVE THIS? I CAN'T SEE THE SCREEN.
I THINK WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW IS MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, BECAUSE NORMALLY AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IS WHEN WE HAVE A RECESS, BUT WE'RE EARLY FOR A CHANGE.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
SO LET'S GO TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.ITEM NUMBER 11 IS THE WHITES FAULKNER SEWER EXTENSION GRANT.
ITEM 12 IS ACCEPTING AN APPROPRIATION OF A GRANT FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE.
TURN THE PAGE 13 IS APPLICATION, UH, 1 0 5 1 DASH 25, FLIPPING LEE, LLCA TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
14 IS APPLICATION 1 0 5 2 DASH 25 FOR NATASHA HOUSE, WHICH IS ANOTHER TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ITEM 15 IS BUILDING SAFE AND SAFETY IT RENOVATION AND ADDITIONS.
LEASE EXTENSION AGREEMENT OF PINNACLE TOWERS LLC 18 IS A REQUEST FOR REFUND OF REAL ESTATE TAXES FROM A DISABLED VETERAN.
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AND THAT'S THE SUMMON SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? I LIKE TO CHAT SOME ABOUT, UM, ITEM 14, AS I THINK WE HAVE SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THEM AND GIVE US SOME DETAILS ON THEIR, UH, N NATASHA HOUSE.
AND MADAM CHAIR, COULD WE TALK ABOUT NUMBER 16, PLEASE? CDR SUPPORT? C THE CDR AGREEMENT.
UH, LET'S SEE, WHO DO WE HAVE SINCE YOU'VE ASKED NUMBER 14.
SOMEONE WE HAVE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
SO I THINK, UM, MR. MR. BOWERS, YOU, YOU WANTED TO SHARE SOME DETAILS ON, ON THE, ON THE PLANS WITH, WITH THE EXTENSION TONIGHT? OR Y'ALL WANT A TAG TEAM PERSON? COME ON UP, GRAHAM.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, Y'ALL HAVE PLANS FOR A RATHER LARGE, UH, EXPANSION AND MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO HIT, GET SOME DETAILS ON.
SO NATASHA HOUSE WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED MM-HMM
AND BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THEIR CHANGE TO INCREASE, UH, THE ABILITY TO GET MORE, UH, SERVE MORE PEOPLE IN, IN THE NATASHA HOUSE.
AND SO NOW THEY HAVE COME UP WITH THEIR, THE ABILITY TO FINANCE IT AND, UM, THEY WERE GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENT IT AND WE CONTACTED THEM TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA EXTEND YOUR SUP JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN LINE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO, OKAY.
WE, UM, SO MY NAME'S GRAY BCH.
UH, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT, UH, DR. BROWN TONIGHT.
SHE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WENT THROUGH SOME, UH, VOLUNTARY SURGERY YESTERDAY AS IN THE HEALING PROCESS.
SO, UM, MY RELATIONSHIP WITH DR. BROWN AND HER BOARD AND HER MISSION STARTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, I'M HERE IN TONIGHT REPRESENTING, UH, MY COMPANY, BOW DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.
UH, WE CONNECTED WITH HER AND A RELATIONSHIP TO HELP UNDERSTAND AND COST, EVALUATE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ADD ROUGHLY 10 SUITES TO HER SECOND FLOOR.
SHE HAS A, IN HER INITIAL BUILD OUT, WHICH WAS 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, UH, THE SPACE WAS DESIGNED WITH AN EXTREMELY LARGE ATTIC.
SO THAT ATTIC SPACE, UH, THROUGH THE DESIGN OF GREG BRZEZINSKI, WHO'S A YORK COUNTY ARCHITECT, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A COMMUNITY ROOM OR SORT OF COMMUNITY KITCHEN SPACE ALONG WITH ROUGHLY EIGHT PLUS ROOMS. SO, UM, ALMOST MORE, MORE THAN DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE AMOUNT OF SUITES THAT, THAT NATASHA, UM, MISSION AND, AND WHAT THEY DO CAN CATER TO, UM, YOUNG LADIES THAT, THAT ARE NEED OF THEIR SERVICES.
SO, UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM ROUGHLY FOUR YEARS ON THE PROJECT.
UH, PRICING HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, A LITTLE UP A LITTLE DOWN.
AND, UM, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SORT OF SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, UH, VERY FORTUNATELY, THEY HAD A COUPLE LOANS THAT THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF PAYING OFF.
THEY HAVE PAID THOSE LOANS OFF AND THEY ARE, UH, ACTIVELY FUNDRAISING TO GET THEM ACROSS THE FINISH LINE TO LAUNCH CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S OUR EXPECTATION FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO LAUNCH CONSTRUCTION.
UH, IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING OFFICE TO, UH, MAKE SOME PARKING LOT, UH, SMALL MODIFICATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
UH, ONCE WE FIRM UP THAT PROCESS, THEN THE EXPECTATION IS, UH, TO RE-ENGAGE THE PERMIT OFFICE, UH, REPU THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, INTO LAUNCH CONSTRUCTION.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UM, TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, OUR TEAM IS EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UH, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DOING IT AT COST 'CAUSE WE'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT DR. BROWN AND HER GROUP DO.
UM, I'M A NEW NEWPORT NEWS RESIDENT, BUT, UH, YOU GOT YOUR COUNTY IN THE BLOOD AND, UM, I'M HERE TO HELP HER AND HER TEAM.
AND, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE TO ANSWER THIS.
ALRIGHT, THANK, THANKS FOR THE DETAILS.
I, I THINK MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS WITH THIS EXTENSION, YOU'RE ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION STARTING BY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
I WOULD SAY, UM, FORMAL CONSTRUCTION, DEFINITELY STARTING, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF, UH, ADDITIONAL MILESTONES TO MEET FROM A FUNDRAISING STANDPOINT, BUT EARLY YEAR 2026 WOULD PROBABLY BE REAL REALISTIC EXPECTATION.
UH, NUMBER 16, CDR SUPPORT AGREEMENT.
AND ALSO KATIE QUIGLEY'S HERE FROM CDR.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR KATIE QUIGLEY.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS AGREEMENT WITH CDR FOR 35 YEARS THIS YEAR, UM, WHERE WE COMBINE WITH THEM TO PROVIDE HEAD START SERVICES.
THEY HAVE THE EARLY HEAD START PROGRAM.
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CHILDREN IN THE COUNTY, UM, AND THEY SERVE THEM AT OUR GRIFFIN YATES FACILITY.WE PROVIDE $75,000 IN SUPPORT TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR MISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, 16 CHILDREN SEEMS LIKE A VERY SMALL NUMBER.
WHEN I LOOK AT OUR HEAD, HEAD START, UM, CLASS SIZE OF, UH, 80, 85 CHILDREN, UM, I WOULD EXPECT A SIMILAR NUMBER ACROSS THE COUNTY FOR THE ZERO TO OR SIX MONTHS TO THREE YEAR PERIOD.
UM, IT STRIKES ME THAT WE'RE REALLY ONLY DEALING WITH THE DISTRICT ONE CHILDREN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 16 CHILDREN.
AND AT GRIFFIN YATES AND I, I JUST WONDER WHY WE AREN'T SERVING THE, THE OTHER FOUR DISTRICTS OF YORK COUNTY WITH SIMILAR SERVICE.
AND, UH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE LOOKING AT BETHEL OR YORK ELEMENTARY AS LOCATION FOR, UM, FOR ADDING FACILITIES FOR THIS, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA OF A GRANT FOR CDR, BUT I MM-HMM
I THINK THEY'RE FALLING SHORT IN TERMS OF THE SERVICE THEY NEED TO BE PROVIDING.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO COME TO THE AGENDA AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED SOME EXPLANATIONS ON THAT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO HAVE KATIE QUIGLEY COME UP AND IF SHE CAN RESPOND TO THAT? YES, YES, PLEASE.
UM, I AM KATIE QUIGLEY QUIGLEY ON THE EARLY HEAD START DIRECTOR FOR SENIOR.
UM, THE REASON WE ONLY, I DON'T, CAN YOU STEP CLOSER? CLOSER.
THE REASON WE ONLY SERVE 16 CHILDREN IS BECAUSE OUR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ONLY ALLOW US TO HAVE EIGHT CHILDREN PER CLASSROOM.
SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS THAN HEAD START DOES BECAUSE WE SERVE CHILDREN SIX WEEKS TO THREE YEARS.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON THAT WE ONLY HAVE 16 CHILDREN AT GRIFFIN YATES.
AND WE ONLY HAVE TWO CLASSROOMS AT GRIFFIN YATES, WHICH ONLY ALLOW US TO HAVE 16 CHILDREN.
WE DO SERVE CHILDREN IN YORK COUNTY, JUST NOT IN A CENTER-BASED SETTING.
SO THE, THE, THE GRANT ACTUALLY SERVES ALL OF YORK COUNTY.
WE SERVE THEM IN A HOME-BASED SETTING.
AND THOSE FAMILIES ARE ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR CHILDCARE WITHIN YORK COUNTY, JUST NOT THROUGH CDRI DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS SOME OF YOUR, IS THERE A LACK OF CLASSROOMS IN THE LOWER DISTRICTS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM HAVING, UH, MORE COMPLETE SERVICE? FOR MOST PROGRAMS, YES.
OUR COST PER CHILD IS ABOUT $24,000 A YEAR FOR INFANT TODDLER CARE.
AND TO HAVE A FACILITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO RENOVATE A FACILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD DO THAT PAY RENT.
AND OUR GRANT IS PRETTY PROHIBITIVE OF THAT.
AND LUCKILY WE'VE HAD THE SUPPORT OF YOU AND SHERRY THROUGHOUT THESE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES.
I THINK THERE'S SOME FOLLOW UP HERE THAT WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING AS A BOARD TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THE BUILDING RENOVATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE WITH THAT.
OUR, OUR NEW BUILDING AT THREE 12 WALLER MILL IS IN YORK COUNTY, WHICH WILL HAVE SIX CLASSROOMS. IT WILL SERVE ALL OF THE CHILDREN THAT WE SERVE AT CDR, BUT THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF YORK COUNTY.
SO IF FAMILIES FROM ANY PART OF YORK COUNTY ARE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DRIVE, THEY WOULD BE OFFERED THOSE SERVICES TOO.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF THE FAMILIES DON'T HAVE CARS OR THEY'RE WORKING, DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF SERVICE TO GET THE CHILDREN TO? WE DO NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE SERVICE.
SO IT'S, THE PARENTS MUST DRIVE THE CHILDREN OR SOMEBODY MUST DRIVE THE CHILDREN THERE.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME VOLUNTEERS OVER THE YEARS BRING FAMILIES TO THE CENTER.
SO I UNDERSTAND IN THE PAST, UH, HAVING TOURED THE FACILITY DOWN THERE, THAT, UM, WE ALWAYS HAD A WAITING LIST MM-HMM
UM, MANY OF THE CHILDREN THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND I'M KIND OF MIXING BOTH EUROPE OPERATION AND THE, AND UM, UH, HEAD START TOGETHER HERE.
BUT, UH, THERE WERE THERE WITH MILITARY.
SOMEBODY GO BACK THERE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE MICS, PLEASE.
THIS IS ECHO IS MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HEAR.
CAN YOU GO TALK TO THEM? I, I DID.
AND I'M ACTUALLY COMMUNICATING WITH HIM RIGHT NOW.
I'M SORRY I APOLOGIZES TO EVERYONE ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S GETTING HARD TO TALK AND HEAR.
UM, SO THE POINT HERE IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, UH, IT'S A FEDERAL, A LOT OF THESE ARE FEDERAL PROGRAMS, STATE FUNDED PROGRAMS, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY THAT'S GOING AROUND, AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT.
THEY'RE HIGHLY, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE.
THE KE THE THE SCHOOLS, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS REQUIRES WHEN WE HAVE, UH, HOMELESS KIDS, UH, I'LL USE THAT AS A GREAT EXAMPLE, AND THEY MOVE AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HOTEL OR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA LIVE IN.
EVEN IF THEY, IF THEY START HERE AND THEY END UP OVER IN PORTSMOUTH, WE HAVE TO GO OVER THERE.
AND GET 'EM AND BRING THEM OVER OURSELVES IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
SO THIS PROGRAM, UH, THERE, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING.
UH, IT'S A WONDERFUL PROGRAM, BUT THESE PROGRAMS ARE JUST INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE.
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I, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THE LIMITATIONS WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE A CHILD THAT HAS SPECIAL NEEDS THAT'S EVEN MAKES IT EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE.AND WE HAVE TO RESERVE SPOTS FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND FOR HOMELESS CHILDREN.
AND THAT'S PART OF SHERRY'S HEAD START GRANT AND OUR EARLY HEAD START GRANT.
SO A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EXPENSE REQUIREMENT.
YOU'RE DOING A JUST DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB OF TAKING CARE OF THE KIDS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND IF IT, IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY, I MEAN, WE COULD SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND, AND ONLY HELP MAYBE A HANDFUL OF MORE KIDS.
SO IT'S JUST HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA, HOW MUCH WE WANNA PUT OUT THERE.
SO IF YOU WANNA BRING IT UP TO, TO, UH, GIVE A, GIVE 'EM MORE MONEY, I'LL BE THERE WITH YOU.
IT'S GONNA BE A, I WOULD, IT'S BE A TIME TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY, BUT THAT MEANS THINK ABOUT IT.
WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS.
BUT WE ARE VERY ATTACHED FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE EXPENSES THAT OUR CITIZENS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE SUPPORT.
SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLE, JUST KIDS SHOW UP.
IT'S THE PARENTS DON'T HAVE THE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THERE'S NO BUSES GOING UP THERE FOR THESE AREA AND THEY HAVE TO MEET INCOME GUIDELINES.
SO MOST OF THE FAMILIES THAT WE ARE SERVING ARE LIVING IN POVERTY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY LIMITED IN, UH, INTO YOUR AREA.
UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE, UH MM-HMM
BUT THE THING IS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPACE.
WE, WE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
UM, AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF LIMITATIONS TO THIS.
AND IF ANY OF THE REST OF YOU WOULD LOVE THE TOUR, I WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU AT GRIFFIN EATS ONE DAY TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CHILDREN OF YORK COUNTY.
WE'VE JUST MADE ALL THE DISCUSSION POINTS WE WANNA MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE SOMEONE SO MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
IT'S STILL BEFORE SEVEN O'CLOCK WHEN WE NORMALLY START OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE? WE CAN'T DO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL SEVEN UNTIL SEVEN O O'CLOCK.
WELL, I HAVE ONE MORE SUBJECT I CAN BRING UP.
OH, I, I I FILL IT IN
SO FOR THE BOARD, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGH HAMPTON ROADS MILITARY FEDERAL FACILITY ALLIANCE, WE GET A, WE GET BRIEFINGS FROM, UM, WE HAVE A, A LOBBYIST.
WE PAY A TON OF MONEY FOR THE LOBBYISTS.
BUT THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
THEY'RE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE STATE DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY GIVE US, THEY GIVE US REAL UPFRONT KIND OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE BUDGET.
UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT, UH, WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF.
MANY OF OUR CITIZENS HERE, UM, ARE ON MEDICARE OR MEDICAID AND THEY USE TRICARE.
AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS, AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM FOLKS THAT EXPERIENCE THIS, UH, YOU GO INTO THE DOCTOR, IF YOU'RE ON MEDICARE, I'LL USE THAT.
NOT MEDICAID, BUT THEY JUST, MEDICARE.
YOU GO INTO THE DOCTOR AND THE DOCTOR ACCEPTS MEDICARE AND THEY, THEY GO THROUGH THE BILLING PROCESS.
RIGHT NOW, MEDICARE IS, UM, IT'S A COMBINATION.
A LACK OF PEOPLE AND A LACK OF PROCESS PROCESSING.
AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, THE DOCTORS RIGHT NOW, UM, SOME DOCTORS ARE NOT, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN ACCEPTING MEDICARE FOR A LOT OF YEARS.
SO YOU GO FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS WITHOUT GETTING PAID.
AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THEIR PATIENTS, UM, EITHER GO TO ANOTHER DOCTOR, WHICH IS NOT EASY TO GET NOW, OR THEY HAVE TO SHELL OUT THEIR MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET TO GET, TO GET, UH, COVER THE COST.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT GOING, HI, HITTING INTO, UH, THE 4 0 1 KS.
UH, IT WAS, IT WAS, I WAS PRETTY AMAZED TO HEAR THIS, BUT IT'S, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW FOR SOME REASON IS NOT ABLE TO, THE PROCESS IS NOT WORKING.
AND THEY MAY HOPEFULLY GET THIS FIXED, BUT THEY GOTTA GET IT FIXED.
UM, UH, IT JUST THAT THERE'S, IT'S JUST A STRI, UH, THAT'S GOING ON.
SO IF, IF PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, UM, HAVING EXPERIENCED THAT PROBLEM, HOW ABOUT WRITING OR CALLING YOUR SUPERVISORS? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CALL THE, WE GET OUR AL THE KODEL, WHICH IS OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION MM-HMM
AND WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VOICES ARE BEING HEARD ON THIS ISSUE.
IT'S VERY, TO ME THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
THE OTHER, IN FACT, I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT GONNA HIT HOME FOR US IS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEEPS A BASE IN OUR AREA IS SUPPORT FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY.
AND ONE OF THE BIG NEEDS IS CHILDCARE.
IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THAT WAS RAISED EARLIER, BUT CHILDCARE IS A BIG PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE HAVING IN THE MILITARY.
UM, AND SO BUDGET CUTS ARE ENDING UP WITH, UM, THE MILITARY NOT BEING ABLE TO BUILD ON BASES THEIR BASE OR PROVIDE THE SUPPLEMENT THAT'S NEEDED TO HAVE
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A, THE CHILDREN DAYCARE.SO THAT, SO PEOPLE THAT KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS, WELL ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D LOOK AROUND IS WHAT CAN WE DO WHAT, NOT JUST WITH CHILDCARE, BUT OTHER THINGS NOW AT LANGLEY HOUSING MM-HMM
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, BIG BETHEL ROAD MM.
RUNS RIGHT BETWEEN RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BETHEL HOUSING, WHICH IS, UH, ONLY FOR, UH, FEDERAL AND FEDERAL FAMILIES.
AND I, I JUST DISCOVERED THIS, UH, BY TALKING TO THE COMMANDER AT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE FOR THE LAST, UH, PROBABLY THE LAST 13, 14 YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A CROSSWALK FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BASE OR THAT, UH, AREA, HOUSING AREA TO THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ARE.
AND, YOU KNOW, BIG BETHEL IS A BIG BET ROAD, A KIND OF A BUSY INTERSECTION.
SO THE COMMANDER BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION AND THEN I STARTED TALKING TO VDOT ABOUT IT.
VDO T'S NOW THEY, LAST STUDY THEY DID WAS ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO MM-HMM
AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA DO A NEW STUDY FOR ABOUT REAL QUICK ONE, AND THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO OBTAIN GRANTS.
AND SOME AND MORE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT.
BUT THERE MAY BE A COST SHARE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO STEP UP, OF WHICH THERE'S ALWAYS A COST SHARE, BUT THAT WE MAY BE APPROACHED AS A COST SHARE ON THAT.
AND, UH, AND, AND WHAT IT WILL DO IS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT KEEPS ATTRACTING THIS AREA FAMILIES TO THIS AREA.
NOT JUST THAT WE GOT THE BIGGEST PORT IN THE, UH MM-HMM
IN THE AREA MILITARY PORT, BUT WE GOT, WE GOT THE MARINES, WE GOT THE, THE, UH, AIR FORCE, THE COAST GUARD, AND IN THERE, RIGHT HERE IN YOUR COUNTY.
THE AIR FORCE IS REAL CLOSE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS LIVE IN, LIVE IN, UH, IN, IN BETHEL.
SO JUST BE KIND OF PREPARED FOR THAT MAY END COMING BACK, TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A POTENTIAL COST SHARE ON A CROSSING.
I'M GONNA ASK BRIAN FULLER TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT JUNE THE, UH, SEPTEMBER THE 20TH.
I THINK IT'S NOT TOO SOON TO MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR, FOR A VERY SPECIAL EVENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IN YOUR COUNTY.
BUT BRIAN'S BETTER TO TALK ABOUT THAN I CAN.
UH, SEPTEMBER 20TH, UH, WHICH IS A SATURDAY IN YOUR TOWN.
WE'RE JUST IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES.
OF, UH, DEVELOPING A BIG EVENT WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
PART OF THE VA TWO 50 CELEBRATION.
UH, IS EVERYBODY, WELL NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUT MOST PEOPLE KNOW, UH, IF YOU'RE INTO HISTORY, KIM BURNS IS A FAMOUS MOVIE PRODUCER.
THOSE DOCUMENTARIES, DOCUSERIES DID ONE ON THE CIVIL WAR, DID ONE ON BASEBALL, WHICH IS FINE TO ME 'CAUSE I WAS A BASEBALL PLAYER.
BUT ALSO, UH, HAS DONE ONE ON THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AS PART OF THE CELEBRATION OF THE, UH, ANNIVERSARY OF THE, UH, DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE COMING UP THIS YEAR.
AND IT'S A 12 HOUR SERIES, UH, THAT'LL BE PLAYING THIS FALL IN NOVEMBER.
HOWEVER, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO, AND WE'RE TRYING TO SECURE HIM TO COME TO YORKTOWN ON SEPTEMBER 20TH, AND WE'RE GONNA DO A SHOWING OF PART OF THAT, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO YORKTOWN.
SO WE'RE GONNA SET UP A LARGE SCREEN ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
UH, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE BATTLEFIELD.
UH, IT'LL BE A A, AN EVENT THAT'S GONNA BE STARTING AROUND THREE IN THE AFTERNOON.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES OF PULLING ALL THIS TOGETHER.
UH, BUT I HAVE A, A LOT OF HISTORICAL ACTIVITIES.
REENACTOR BE A REALLY BIG EVENT.
UH, AND THEN WHEN IT GETS DARK, UH, WE'LL SHOW A 45 MINUTE, UH, SECTION OF THAT MOVIE PERTAINING TO YORKTOWN.
UM, HE CAME TO WILLIAMSBURG IN THE SPRING AS PART OF AN EVENT AND THEY HAD ABOUT 5,000 PEOPLE THERE.
UH, THEY'RE EXPECTING BETWEEN FIVE AND 10,000 PEOPLE.
MAYBE I HEARD ANOTHER HIGHER NUMBER.
BUT, UM, WE CAN ONLY PARK 10,000.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY, NO MUCH PARKING IN THE VILLAGE.
SO, UH, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8,000 PEOPLE, UM, IS REALLY EASILY DOABLE, EVEN UP TO 10.
UH, PARKING IN THE BATTLEFIELD, WALK ACROSS THE BATTLEFIELD TO THE, UM, WATERSIDE OF THE READOUTS.
UM, WE'LL HAVE A LARGE EVENT AREA THERE.
LOTS OF THINGS TO DO FOR THE FAMILY AND THE KIDS DURING THE DAY, STARTING AROUND THREE.
AND THEN THE MOVIE WILL SHOW THAT EVENING.
SO IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING EVENT.
IT'S A BIG EVENT WITH VA TWO 50, UH, KIND OF KICKING OFF AGAIN, ANOTHER EVENT IN YOUR TOWN, UH, TO CELEBRATE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
AND THIS IS A SIGN SIGNATURE EVENT FOR THE PARK SERVICE.
AND THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY WORKING VERY HARD ON THE, ON THE PLANS AND ALL THE DETAIL THAT GOES INTO IT.
AND WE JUST HAD A MEETING TODAY AND THEY ALREADY HAVE A LOT DOWN, BUT OF COURSE THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE HELP FROM THE COUNTY.
AS WITH THE VDOT PROJECTS, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE THE COUNTY TO HELP OUT AND THE VDOT PROJECTS.
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A TEAM EFFORT.THE PARK SERVICE YORK COUNTY ARE FOREIGN LIFE, EVERYBODY.
AND I DO HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL MARK THEIR CALENDARS AND COME BECAUSE YOUR COUNTY, IF, IF, IF THE BATTLE HAD NOT BEEN HERE WHEN AND WON, WHERE WOULD WE BE? SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THIS AND KEN BURNS IS A PHOTOGRAPHER, WHATEVER YOU WHATEVER, DIRECTOR, PRODUCER, DIRECTOR, PRODUCER.
AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND TODAY WAS THE FIRST DAY I HEARD ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHARING IT WITH YOU TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR AND STAY TUNED.
YEAH, THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE TO COME.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'LL TAKE A BREAK.
[2. Application Nos. ZM-207-25, UP-1042-25 and UP-1043-25, S3 Storage Solutions: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-15 to amend proffered conditions applicable to 4 Acres at 2044 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17); Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-106 to approve a special use permit to authorize a single-story mini-storage warehouse facility at 2100 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17); and consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-107 to approve a special use permit to authorize a recreational vehicle storage facility at 2100 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17) and 2044 George Washington Memorial Highway. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Excerpts of minutes from the April 9, 2025, Planning Commission Meeting c. Applicant’s Narrative d. Applicant’s Sketch plan e. Applicant's Architectural Renderings f. Proposed Amended and Restated Proffers g. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-15 h. Proposed Resolution R25-106 i. Proposed Resolution R25-107 ]
PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE IS AN APPLICATION ON STORAGE SOLUTIONS.AND I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA READ THE NUMBERS, I'M GONNA LET YOU DO YOUR WORK.
WE HAVE SEVERAL NUMBERS TONIGHT.
UH, SO OUR FIRST YEAR, THIS WILL BE A THREE, UM, VOTE, UH, CASE FOR USE.
SO THE FIRST ONE WILL BE ON ZM 2 0 7 DASH 25, AND THAT WILL BE A CHANGE TO THEIR PROFFERS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE SITE.
AND THEN UP 1 0 4 2 DASH 25, WHICH IS FOR THE MINI STORAGE ALLOWANCE.
AND THEN FINALLY UP 1 0 4 3 DASH 25, WHICH WILL BE FOR RV STORAGE.
AND ALL OF THIS IS OCCURRING AT 20 102,044 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, 2100 HERE AND THEN 2044.
UM, THE LARGER PROPERTY, THE BOAT PROPERTIES WILL BE COMBINED FOR THE USES.
UM, THE ZONING ADJACENT USES ARE TAB LAKES, SIMS, METAL, UH, BOTTOM LINE SALVAGE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, THE AUTO BELL CAR WASH, THE EMERGENCY VET CLINIC, THERE'S A VACANT LOT.
AND THEN M AND J IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE DOG TRAINER KENNEL DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ALL ZONE GB EXCEPT FOR TAB LAKES, WHICH IS R 13.
SORRY, I'M GETTING USED TO THE FLASHY SLIDES.
UM, AND WAS DISCOVERED WHEN WE WERE DOING THE RESEARCH ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT WAS A JUNKYARD REZONING AND AT THAT TIME THEY HAD A CONDITION IN THERE THAT ALL VEHICLES HAD TO BE TITLED IN THE OWNER'S NAME.
AND FOR THIS GENTLEMAN TO HAVE RV STORAGE, WE REALLY KIND OF NEED TO GET RID OF THAT.
NONE OF THE AUTHOR PROFFERS ARE GONNA BE CHANGED, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROJECT.
YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE VEHICLES HAVE BEEN REMOVED, IS AN OLDER PICTURE.
BUT MOST OF THOSE, UH, JUNK VEHICLES HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN FROM THIS SITE.
UM, THIS IS AN O SKETCH PLAN OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO MANY STORAGES SET.
THERE'S 11, UH, BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO ABOUT 105,000 SQUARE FEET OF MANY STORAGE.
AND THEN DOWN HERE IS RV STORAGE.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE SITE.
UM, IT'S GOING TO, IT'S VERY NARROW.
UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGES AT THE ENTRANCE.
THEY'RE GONNA GET RID OF THE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAYS AND CREATE ONE SINGLE DRIVEWAY ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THIS IS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR HOW THEY WANNA KINDA LIKE UTILIZE THE SITE.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THEY'VE PROPOSED DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IT'S A VERY NICE BUILDING.
UH, MOSTLY A PARAPET WALL ON THE FRONT.
UH, BUT IT IS A SINGLE STORY BUILDING, BUT THE PARAPET WALL MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE TALLER.
UM, AND THEN A ROT IRON FENCE ACROSS THE FRONT.
FENCING AROUND THE REST OF THE SITE WILL BE CHAIN LINK.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, ONE PIECE HERE AT THE, UM, WELL, LEMME JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO THE, UM, THESE ARE THE OTHER VIEWS OF THE BUILDINGS.
UH, MAINLY GONNA BE METAL BUILDINGS, BUT YOU WON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT DIFFERENCE.
THEY ARE OFF OF 17 AND PARKING IS PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE THROUGH PARALLEL PARKING SPACES.
AND THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO MEET THE REQUIRED PARKING ADDITIONAL VIEWS OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN, LET'S SEE, I THINK THIS TAKES US TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART.
UM, WHICH, UH, ABUTS THE TAB LAKES NEIGHBORHOOD THE MOST ABUTS TO, UH, THE HOUSES BACK THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, A VERY WELL ESTABLISHED MATURE TREES BACK THERE.
AND NONE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.
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WANTS TO DO BACK THERE IS REBUILD THE WOODEN FENCE THAT THEY'RE, THAT THAT IS BACK THERE NOW.SO THEY'LL BE REBUILDING THE FENCE.
THEY'LL BE MAINTAINING THAT 35 FOOT BUFFER TO PROTECT THOSE NEIGHBORS AND REBUILDING THAT, THAT FENCE AREA.
AS I KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, THE PROFFER AMENDMENT IS ONLY TO A PORTION OF THE SITE.
IT BASICALLY SAID THERE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW ALL VEHICLES EQUIPMENT, UH, MUST BE TITLED IN THE NAME OF THE OWNER.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ASKING TO REMOVE THAT ONE, UH, PROFFER, UH, KEEP ALL THE REST OF THEM.
'CAUSE THEY ALL PERTAIN TO PROTECTING THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE.
UH, SO WE WERE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
UH, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW THE RV STORAGE TO BE BACK THERE.
UH, SO IT WOULD, AS I SAID, IT WOULD REMOVE THAT, THAT ONE PROFFER.
UM, UM, AND, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE EXISTING PROFFERS.
AND THEN THIS IS KIND OF THE VIEW OF THE RV STORAGE.
HE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE IT UNDER ROOF.
SO THERE'LL BE AVAILABLE SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO PARK THEIR RVS UNDER ROOF ON THE SITE IN THAT AREA.
AND, UM, SO PROS PROPOSED CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE, UH, ASKING TO APPLY TO THOSE USE PERMITS.
RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE DUTIES POLE SIGNED, SO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THAT AND THEN PUT IN A NICE MONUMENT SIGN, WHICH THEY'RE WILLING TO DO.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WOULD BE THINGS IN THERE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS, LIKE KNOCK BOXES, THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD GET IN THERE AND RESPOND TO ANY EMERGENCIES.
UH, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FENCING TYPES.
SO THEY'RE MAINTAINING THAT WOOD FENCING WROUGHT IRON FENCING ALONG ROUTE 17.
AND THEN THE BLACK, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCING AROUND THE RE REST OF THE SITE.
SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UM, IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT THE PROPERTY IN THAT AREA IS, UH, USED FOR WHEN IT COMES TO GENERAL BUSINESS.
IT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND ACTUALLY PROVIDES A USE THAT'S NOT AS LOUD AS WHAT COULD BE THERE IN A REGULAR GENERAL BUSINESS USE.
VERY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATOR ALSO.
UH, NOT, NOT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED ALL THREE APPLICATIONS AND RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY THAT NIGHT, WHICH WAS FIVE TO ZERO, TO APPROVE THEM ALL.
SO I HAVE LAID THEM OUT HERE FOR YOU.
IT'S THREE VOTES, STARTING WITH THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 15, WHICH REMOVES THAT PROFFER AND THEN THE MINI STORAGE FOR R 25, 1 0 6, AND THEN THE RV STORAGE FOR 1 0 7.
AND I'LL LEAVE THESE UP HERE 'CAUSE I FIGURED THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND HE'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU ALSO.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, TOM? UH, YES.
UM, BUT I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN THE BUFFER ON THE FRONT.
THERE IS A BUFFER, RIGHT? THEY WILL HAVE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS YES.
I MEAN, WE'VE TRIED FOR YEARS TO, TO CLEAN UP THAT AREA MM-HMM
WE DID THE CREDITS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WE REMEMBER WE PUT THAT A LOT MONEY.
WE GAVE HIM LIKE $250,000 TO KIND OF CLEAN UP 17.
I JUST WANTED IF, AND IT'S, IT'S NICE HAVING, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY CLEAN, CLEAN SLOWLY OVER TIME.
WE'RE, WE'RE THE JUNKYARDS ARE MOVING OUT.
SO THAT IT IS GONNA BE, UH, YOU, DID YOU SHOW A PICTURE OF WHAT THAT I MEAN, ALL I HAVE IS, IS THIS DIAGRAM HERE OF IN THE RIGHT, THERE WAS NO PICTURE SHOWING LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT OF IT.
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE YARD IN THE FRONT AND, AND PUT IN THE NORMAL LANDSCAPING.
IS THERE NO BERM IN THE FRONT? NO.
YOU HAVE S EARL, WHAT, WHAT PREVENTS THEM FROM GOING BACK TO, UH, AN AUTO YARD?
AND, AND I COULD POTENTIALLY END UP WITH A BUNCH OF I VEHICLES BACK THERE.
WHAT, WHAT STOPS THAT FROM BEING THE CASE? SO THE QUESTION IS, IF WE REMOVE THE PROFFER RIGHT NOW AND THIS APPLICATION DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, OR, OR IT SELLS TO A, A NEW BUYER AND THAT BUYER DECIDES TO REVERT BACK TO OLD USE.
I, I'M, I'M JUST, HOW DO I PROTECT THE COUNTY FROM GETTING BACK TO A SITUATION? WE, WE RIGHT.
WORKED VERY HARD TO GET AWAY FROM.
WELL THERE ARE OTHER, UM, PROFFERS IN THERE THAT WOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM DOING THAT, I BELIEVE.
UM, LET ME SEE, LET ME PULL UP THE PROFFER DOCUMENT HERE.
THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DONE AS I BELIEVE THE PROTECTIONS ARE STILL THERE, UM, FOR NOT ALLOWING THE JUNKYARD, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, THE TITLING OF THE VEHICLES ISN'T REALLY WHAT WOULD COMPLETELY MAKE IT INTO THAT.
SO IT SAYS NO OPERATION OR DEVELOPMENT SHALL OCCUR ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE OPERATION OF A JUNKYARD AS DEFINED IN THE YORK COUNTY
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ORDINANCE.SO THAT'S, THAT'S, I I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS IN THERE RIGHT AWAY.
SO I COULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT MUCH QUICKER FOR YOU.
DO YOU HAVE STEVEN YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANKS.
UM, THE, GOING BACK TO THE PROFFER, IS THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH GOING TO BE STRICKEN BECAUSE THERE'S A LINE IN THERE, THE LAST LINE IN THERE SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF NO INOPERABLE VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT.
WE, WE DON'T WANT THAT WITH THE RV STORAGE EITHER, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE WE LEAVING THAT LINE IN THERE OR, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I MEAN, THE COUNTY ORDINANCE CONTROLS INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND IF THERE WAS A COMPLAINT WE COULD ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT.
AND I, I BELIEVE THE OWNER WOULD NOT WANT INOPERABLE VEHICLES ON THERE EITHER.
HE'S ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, I THINK PLANNING, ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER SAID, WELL, DO YOU WANT, ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW HIM TO WORK ON IT AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT ON THERE? AND HE SAID, NO, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HE WANTS ON HIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S, SO SOMETHING ELSE, I THOUGHT I READ THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MAINTENANCE OR REPAIRS OF VEHICLES ON SITE AND I THINK ALSO READ THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT STAY IN IN THE VEHICLES IF, CORRECT.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE ONE A, ALL VEHICLES SHALL HAVE CURRENT VEHICLE REGISTRATIONS AND INSPECTIONS.
SO WE DON'T ALLOW, SO WE DON'T ALLOW, UH, STORAGE OF CLASSIC CARS OR SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING IN AND GONNA WORK ON LATER.
SO WE DON'T ALLOW THAT IN THE, THESE AREAS.
UM, I'M ONLY SPEAKING OF THIS APPLICANT AND HE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IF SOMEBODY WAS STORING A CLASSIC CAR IN A STORAGE UNIT, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO THE STORAGE FACILITY WHETHER THEY WOULD ALLOW IT BE WORKING ON WELL THEY COULD STORE INSIDE THE BUILDING, RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF OUR STORAGE FACILITIES OUT HERE IN THE COUNTY HAVE CARS THAT I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT DON'T OPERATE, BUT THEY'RE LIKE THESE, UH, GOD, WHAT BIG, HUGE CADILLACS AND, UH, OLDSMOBILES, I MEAN, ONES LOOKED LIKE LAND THE YACHTS GOING DOWN THE ROAD BACK IN THE SEVENTIES OR SO, BUT I'VE SEEN 'EM DOWN THERE IN THESE, YOU KNOW, NOT MANY OF 'EM, TWO OR THREE.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE MAKING AN EX WE'RE DOING THIS AS A, A SPECIFIC POINT FOR THIS ONE OR DO WE ALLOW, HAVE WE ALLOWED IT IN THE PAST? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVER COME UP BEFORE.
UM, I THINK IF YOU'RE STORING SOMETHING INSIDE OF A STORAGE UNIT, WE WOULDN'T, THESE ARE OUTSIDE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S OUTSIDE AND VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THEN WE COULD CITE IT AS AN INOPERABLE VEHICLE.
UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE INOPERABLE VEHICLES ON SITE OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I HAVE ANY BILL, NOT MANUS SPEAKING.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT.
I RESIDE AT 5 0 0 9 WEBBS CHAPEL CHURCH ROAD IN DENVER, NORTH CAROLINA.
I'M THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER, UH, S3 STORAGE SOLUTIONS IS MY COMPANY THAT I CREATED FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS.
UM, WE HANDLE THE DEVELOPMENT AND I'M INVOLVED IN ALL ASPECTS OF A PROJECT FROM THE ENTITLEMENT DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, AND EVENTUAL OPERATIONS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE PLANNING STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB TO SUMMARIZE IT, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE THIS VERY BRIEF AND GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT WILL BE, IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UH, FIRST OFF, IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING JUNKYARD THAT IS THERE.
NOW, IN MANY WAYS, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS REDUCED IMPACTS ON THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC NOISE, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, UTILITY USAGE, AND IT HAS NO IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. UH, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THIS SITE, UH, NAMELY THE, UH, LIMITED ROAD FRONTAGE, BUT ALSO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARCEL WHERE IT'S NARROW IN THE FRONT AND WIDENS TO THE REAR, BUT ALSO THE ADJACENT PARCELS THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL USES AS WELL.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS HAS LIKELY PREVENTED OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS BEING PURSUED HERE, BUT IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED, I FEEL LIKE WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THESE AND OVERCOME THEM.
WE ALSO HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS, WE COULD BE THE START OF THE REVITALIZATION FOR THIS PORTION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT THROUGH THE MODERN DESIGN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND IMPROVED CURB APPEAL THAT YOU HAD SEEN IN THE RENDERINGS.
BUT WE ALSO STRIVE FOR JUST HIGH QUALITY IN OUR PROPERTIES BECAUSE WE WANT OUR CUSTOMERS TO FEEL WELCOME, HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR NEEDS.
BACK ON, UH, FEBRUARY, WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATIONS, UH, I MET WITH THE TAB LAKES COMMUNITY ON FEBRUARY THE FIFTH AT THE TAB LIBRARY AND PROVIDED A PRESENTATION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, THE SITE LAYOUT.
TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS THAT WENT INTO THAT, BUT ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS ITSELF, THE CURRENT USES THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
AND THEN ALSO JUST TALK ABOUT THE LIMITED IMPACTS THAT
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THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HAS ON THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO THE DEMAND FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.WE DID RECEIVE SOME QUESTIONS MAINLY ABOUT THE TREES, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE TREES.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE'S TWO AREAS.
SOME OF IT'S PART OF THE, IS THE COMMON AREA OF TAB LAKES, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS, IT IS LEFT AS IS.
THEN THERE'S THAT, UH, 35 FOOT BUFFER THERE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE LEFT AS IS, BUT WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE THAT WITH ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT IS PROPOSED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE OTHER ONE WAS STORM WATER.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH STORM WATER.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS SITE THAT RETAINS STORMWATER.
IT IS ALLOWED TO JUST RUN OFF WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE ADDING IT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, BUT ALSO DETENTION POND THAT YOU SAW IN THAT BACK CORNER.
AND IT WAS PLACED THERE FOR ADDITIONAL BUFFER.
BUT IT IS ALL, EVERYTHING IS BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AS WELL.
FROM THAT, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED WAS VERY POSITIVE.
EVERYBODY WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BETTER, JUST QUIETER, CLEANER, MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE EXISTING JUNKYARD THAT IS THERE NOW.
SO REALLY THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD EARLIER.
UM, I THINK YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT CLASSIC CARS BEING STORED.
WE, AGAIN, PART OF THE PROFFERS, IT STILL SAYS THAT THERE HAS TO BE, UH, TITLED AND OPERABLE AND WE REQUIRE THAT AS WELL IN OUR, UH, LEASING AGREEMENTS WITH THE TENANTS.
WE ALSO HAVE IN THERE THAT THEY CANNOT, THIS IS NOT A MAINTENANCE GARAGE.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT OFFSITE TO WORK ON IT, AND THEY CAN'T USE IT AS A CAMPGROUND EITHER.
SO THERE WILL BE NO OVERNIGHT.
THAT INCLUDES INSIDE OF STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES TOO, NOT JUST THE RVS.
UM, I BELIEVE YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
WELL, MY, MY QUESTION WAS MORE HOW DO WE PROTECT IT FROM EVER GOING BACK TO JUNK YARD.
AND THERE IS INSIDE THE PROFFER, IT DOES NOT ALLOW IT TO GO BACK.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYBODY ELSE'S QUESTIONS TOO.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY
SO I DIDN'T, UH, I KNOW EARL MAY HAVE COVERED IT, BUT I MISSED IT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE DENSITY OF PART OF, UH, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD SIZE AREA.
UH, AND SO YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE COMPETITION UP AND DOWN THE ROAD THERE, RIGHT? YES.
I KNOW YOU GOT, UH, VICTORY OR I THINK IT'S A VICTORY STORAGE.
IN HAMPTON, JUST OFF ACROSS THE BOUNDARY OF THE HAMPTON, IS THERE ONE UP NEAR THE, UH, IN YOUR DISTRICT? SHEILA, WHAT, UH, A STORAGE FACILITY RIGHT THERE NEAR THE, WHAT IS IT? THE COLONIAL IT OFF NEAR COVENTRY.
IT'S OFF OF PROFESSIONAL DRIVE.
THEN WE'VE GOT ONE THAT'S JUST DOWN THERE ON 1 34.
BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YEP.
THERE'S MORNINGSTAR OVER THERE.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS, BEFORE I EVEN GET TO THE POINT OF GOING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM
I, I PERFORM MY OWN FEASIBILITY STUDY, BUT I ALSO BACK THAT UP WITH A THIRD PARTY JUST AS AN INDEPENDENT, UH, STUDY.
AND BOTH HAVE FAVORABLE DEMANDS IN THIS AREA.
AND A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE MILITARY.
SO HOW MANY UNITS YOU GONNA HAVE FOR AND ANY KIND OF, LIKE, WHAT'S THE BULK SIZE, THE, THE MAIN SIZE, YOUR STAIRS? BULK SIZE IS TYPICALLY YOUR 10 BY 10.
SO A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET ON AVERAGE.
I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 125 SQUARE FEET ON AVERAGE ACROSS THE SITE.
UM, TOTAL UNITS JUST UNDER 600.
IT IS, BUT, UH, THE, I, THERE IS THE DEMAND FOR THAT HERE.
LIKE THERE IS THE LARGE, UH, PARCELS, THE 12 BY, IT'S 12 BY 45 THAT ARE COVERED THAT YOU SAW.
BUT THERE ARE LARGER UNITS LIKE A 12 BY, UH, 50 AS WELL.
I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE RV STORAGE AREA.
UM, UH, YORK COUNTY, IF I RECALL, UH, TAX RATE IS LIKE $4, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUE, WHICH IS PRETTY HIGH.
UM, AND SO YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF RVS IN YOUR COUNTY, UH, AT THE ANYWHERE NEAR HOMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
NOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN FROM THE HAMPTON OR WHATEVER AND PUTS A RV IN THERE MM-HMM.
THEY STILL ARE THEY, IS THAT GONNA BE TAXED YOU THINK? OR NO? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S A, IT IS STORED, IT'S THE RV IN YOUR COUNTY.
I JUST, I MEAN THE EFFECT, UH, YOUR EXPECTATIONS, I'M WONDERING HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF THE NUMBER OF UH, OH.
AS FAR AS DEMAND, RV DEMAND IS VERY HIGH.
UH, THE PLACES THAT WE'VE STUDIED ARE FULL AND HAVE WAITING LIST.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, YEAH, PLEASE.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY TO ASK
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ABOUT THIS.UH, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG PLUS WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING ANYBODY'S BRINGING SOMETHING INTO THE COUNTY THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT TO GET THAT FEEDBACK AND ADJUST AS NECESSARY.
AND THANKS TO SPEAKING TO DEMAND, UH, 'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
I THINK I GOT A QUESTION THOUGH, PROBABLY FOR MR. ANDERSON.
IS THERE ANY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR STORAGE UNITS AND SUCH THAT THEY CEASE TO OPERATE AS A STORAGE UNIT? DO, DO THEY HAVE TO RETURN BACK TO A BARE LOT, YOU KNOW? NO, SIR.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE THEM FOR STORAGE UNITS.
AND THE QUESTION I, LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, SIR, IS WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION AND WRAPPING CONSTRUCTION UP? MY PLAN IS THAT I WOULD SEEKING APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE'RE MOVING INTO DESIGN TOMORROW, UM, GOING FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND THEN MY CONTRACT WITH THE SELLER IS CONTINGENT ON RECEIVING ALL THAT.
SO WE WILL MOVE IN HOPEFULLY IN OCTOBER.
IF WE CAN GO THROUGH PERMITTING FAIRLY QUICK.
WE'LL MOVE IT UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO YOU'RE ANTICIPATING E EVERYTHING WORKS OUT ACCORDING PLAN,
WHEN, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BILL PLACES? TYPICALLY? WE'LL PLAN FOR 12 MONTHS.
SCHEDULE SHOWS NINE, BUT WE ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT WEATHER.
SO, SO THIRD QUARTER NEXT YEAR.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? THE FIRST MOTION THAT WE WILL HAVE IS ORDINANCE 25 DASH 15.
I'LL MOVE TWENTY FIVE FIFTEEN.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROH IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 15 TO AMEND PROFFERED CONDITIONS APPLICABLE AT FOUR ACRES AT 2044.
GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
THE NEXT MOTION IS TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 0 6 WITH SOMEONE LIKE SO MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 0 6.
TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A SINGLE STORY MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE FACILITY AT 2100 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
THE FINAL MOTION WILL BE RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 0 7.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, SO MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 1 0 7 TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY AT 2100 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND 2044 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
WHAT NOW LET'S SEE, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA
[3. Application No. UP-1047-25, American Battlefield Trust Trail. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-85 to approve a Special Use Permit to authorize the establishment of a park and recreational trail located at 393 Crawford Road (Route 637) and 401 Crawford Road. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Excerpts of minutes from the April 9, 2025, Planning Commission Meeting c. Narrative d. Sketch Plan e. Traffic Narrative f. Proposed Resolution R25-85 ]
ITEM IS THE APPLICATION FOR AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST TRAIL.THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PARK AND RECREATIONAL TRAIL AT 3 93 AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES CONSIST OF ONE APPROXIMATELY FOUR TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY AT 3 93 CRAWFORD ROAD AND ONE APPROXIMATELY 36 ACRE PROPERTY AT 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.
BOTH SUBJECT PARCELS ARE ZONED RC.
FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH A PARK IN THE RC ZONING DISTRICT.
SO TO THE NORTH ARE SIX SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS.
TWO PRIVATE ROADS, WHICH ARE GILES ANDM LANES CRAWFORD ROAD, AND THE COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK.
BEYOND TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST ARE ALSO THE COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK.
THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO ESTABLISH A PARK WITH A PEDESTRIAN LOOP AND SMALL PARKING LOT.
I'VE OVERLAID THEIR SKETCH PLAN ONTO THIS AERIAL SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THE TRAIL AND PARKING AREA WOULD BE.
SO THE TRAIL IS PROPOSED TO SPAN BOTH SUBJECT PARCELS.
AS WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT SPAN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT'S TO VACATE THE PROPERTY LINES BETWEEN 3 93 AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.
THE PEDESTRIAN LOOP IS PROPOSED TO HAVE A STONE DUST SURFACE FOR THE FIRST 150 FEET, EXTENDING FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE STEPPING STONES
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THAT CROSSED THE HISTORIC ROAD BED.THE REST OF THE TRAILS PROPOSED TO HAVE MULCH SURFACING.
THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THEY PREFER A MULCH TRAIL TO LIMIT THE VISUAL IMPACT ON THE LANDSCAPE.
HOWEVER, MULCH TRAILS ARE LESS DURABLE THAN STONE DUST SURFACE TRAILS AND MULCH ABILITY TO RETAIN WATER ACCELERATES ITS DECOMPOSITION PROCESS.
RAIN AND OTHER ELEMENTS CAUSE MULCH TO SHIFT AND SCATTER.
AND BOTH OF THESE FACTORS NECESSITATE FREQUENT REPLENISHMENT OF MULCH TRAILS.
THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TWO INCHES OF GRANULAR RESERVOIR COURSE, TOPPED WITH THREE INCHES OF SHREDDED HARDWOOD MULCH BECAUSE MAINTENANCE OFTEN FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE.
ONCE THE USE HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, OR WHEN OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY CHANGES, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE ENTIRE TRAIL TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF THREE INCHES OF AGGREGATE UNDER TWO INCHES OF STONE DUST WITH METAL EDGING.
I'VE INCLUDED AN EXAMPLE OF A STONE DUST RECREATIONAL TRAIL AND RUNNING MAN.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A STONE DUST TRAIL THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AT TRANQUILITY.
BOTH OF THESE ARE SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STONE COLOR, UH, CAN VARY.
AND A BROWN SHADE LIKE THIS ONE MIGHT BLEND WITH THE LANDSCAPE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
SINCE THE APPLICANTS DO NOT INTEND TO PLAN GRASS, THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH REVOLUTIONARY AND CIVIL WAR EVENTS.
THE APPLICANTS PROPOSE TO INSTALL THREE WAYSIDE STYLE INTERPRETIVE SIGNS ALONG THE TRAIL, AND ONE SIGN TO IDENTIFY THE SITE.
ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 7 0 3.
THE APPLICANT'S SITE IDENTIFICATION SIGN CAN BE A FREESTANDING MONUMENT SIGN WITH A MAXIMUM SIGN AREA OF 40 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET OR A FREESTANDING POLE SIGN WITH A MAXIMUM SIGN AREA OF 12 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.
THE PARKING LOT IS PROPOSED TO HAVE NINE PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING ONE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE PARKING AREA OF GRAVEL SECTION 24.1 DASH 6 0 7 REQUIRES PARKING AREAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF CONCRETE ASPHALT OR ANOTHER EQUIVALENT PERMANENT DUSTLESS SURFACE.
IT GOES ON TO STATE THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY APPROVE AN UNPAVED OR GRAVEL PARKING AREA IF IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF AN OVERALL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
GRAVEL PARKING AREAS NOT ONLY LACK DURABILITY AND REQUIRE REGULAR REPLENISHMENT, THEY CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR WHEELCHAIR USERS TO NAVIGATE.
DUE TO THE UNEVEN AND LOOSE NATURE OF GRAVEL, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PARKING AREA TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF A DUSTLESS SURFACE.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED THREE ENTRANCES TO THE PARK.
A DRIVEWAY ON 3 93 CRAWFORD ROAD WOULD SERVE AS SERVICE ACCESS TO THE SITE.
THE PARKING AREA WOULD HAVE TWO UNGATED ENTRANCES.
TIMBER POSTS WITH STEEL COLLAR U-BOLTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED ON EITHER SIDE OF ALL THREE ENTRANCES.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANTS DO NOT PLAN TO INSTALL CHAINS ON THE ENTRANCES TO THE PARKING AREA BECAUSE THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE GATES EACH DAY.
THE APPLICANT'S TOLD STAFF THAT IF AFTER OUR, AFTER OUR ACTIVITY IS OBSERVED, THEY PLAN TO CLOSE THE PROPERTY FOR LENGTHS OF TIME REQUIRED TO DETER SUCH ACTIVITY.
THE PARK WOULD BE OPEN FROM DAWN UNTIL DUSK.
AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED NO LIGHTING FOR THE PROPERTY SINCE THE PARK WILL NOT BE GATED AT NIGHT.
THE YORK COUNTY PROPOSED AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS REQUESTED THE PARKING LOT BE LIT DURING DARK HOURS TO DETER ILLICIT BEHAVIOR AND ALLOW FOR EASE OF PATROL OBSERVATION.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO REQUIRE THE PARKING LOT BE LIT EVERY DAY FROM DUSK UNTIL DAWN.
SO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MAKE THE TRAIL AND APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE LOCATION.
THOUGH THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THE LACK OF LIGHTING AND GATES FOR THE SITE, THE PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REQUIRE LIGHTING WILL MITIGATE THAT ISSUE.
THE PROPOSED MULCH PORTION OF THE TRAIL AND GRAVEL PARKING LOT LACK, DURABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.
THE CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TRAIL TO HAVE A STONE DUST SURFACE AND THE PARKING AREA TO BE PAVED.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 25 DASH 85.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS? JUST GLAD TO SEE PLACE, GET A NEW TRAIL AND PARK IN THERE.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION OVER HERE.
YES, JEANNIE, UH, WOULD SOLAR LIGHTING BE ACCEPTED? YES.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP AS YET, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO.
IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 85.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT
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PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 85 TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PARK AND RECREATIONAL TRAIL LOCATED AT 3 93 CRAWFORD ROAD AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.[4. Application Nos. ZM-208-25 (Proffer Amendment) and UP-1050-25 (Use Permit Extension and Minor Modification), Carson Group, LLC. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-14 to approve an application to amend proffered conditions applicable to 1.4 acres at 111 Faulkner Road (Route 1231); and consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-110 to approve an application to modify the conditions of a previously approved Special Use Permit and to extend the deadline for establishing a recreational vehicle sales and display use without body work and painting at 6903 and 6909 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17) and 111 Faulkner Road (Route 1231). a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Excerpts from the unapproved draft minutes from the May 14, 2025, Planning Commission Meeting. c. Previously Approved Sketch Plan d. Previously Amended Proffers dated April 30, 2025 e. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-14 f. Proposed Resolution R25-110 ]
IS CARSON GROUP, LLC.AND EARL, I SEE YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.
SO THIS IS, UH, TWO APPLICATIONS ZM 2 0 8 DASH 25 AND UP 1 0 5 0 25.
IT'S JUST 25 FOR CARSON GROUP.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS TWO THINGS.
ONE IS TO EXTEND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO THE PROJECT.
UH, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN REVIEW.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING THEM UP IS THE VACATION OF A PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ALSO IN THIS APPLICATION.
UM, IN THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO AMEND THE PROFFERS, UH, TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT VACATION OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO TWO THINGS TO VOTE ON TONIGHT, AND I'LL LEAVE THOSE UP FOR YOU AT AGAIN.
UM, THE HOME AT ONE 11 FAULKNER ROAD THERE IN THE RED, UM, WAS BUILT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WITH ACCESS FROM FAULKNER ROAD.
AND THE APPLICANT CAME IN AFTER HAVING APPROVAL ON THE YELLOW SHAPED PROPERTY TO ADD THE, UH, RED PROPERTY TO HIS DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE RV SITE.
SO THEY REZONED IT AND, UH, EXTENDED THE S SPECIAL USE PERMIT INTO THAT SECTION.
SO IT CHANGED THE ZONING TO GB CONDITIONAL.
ONE OF THE, UM, AND THIS IS THE OVERALL SKETCH PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE THE HOME IS BACK HERE ON THIS SIDE, UH, IN THE PURPLE AREA.
UM, THE HOME WAS TO BE USED FOR STORAGE AND THEY WERE GONNA DO A DISPLAY AREA HERE FOR ADDITIONAL RV STORE, UM, FOR SALES.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO VACATE THAT PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE ONE 11 PROPERTY AND THE 69 0 3 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
AND THEN ALSO TO STOP, HA STOP THE REQUIREMENT TO VACATE THE INGRESS EGRESS EASEMENT, WHICH WAS BASICALLY TO ALLOW IT TO GO BACK THERE.
SO IF WE KEEP THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT TO GET TO IT.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS WE'RE CHANGING.
UH, THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
IT STILL WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED AND MR. MR. DODD IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH FUNDING AND FINISHING HIS SITE PLAN AS SOON AS WE CAN GET HIM APPROVAL TONIGHT.
UM, THE EXTENSION FOR TWO YEARS DOES NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING OR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW.
THAT IS JUST BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO, WE'RE ALSO ASKING TO AMEND THE REQUIREMENT TO VACATE THE ALL THE PROPERTY LINES, JUST THE, THE INTERIOR ONES THAT FACE ROUTE 17.
ARE YOU FINISHED? ALMOST, ALMOST.
SO THE PROPERTY LIGHT VACATION WE'RE, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF.
IT WILL NOT AFFECT HIS SITE PLAN AT ALL.
UM, BASICALLY YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE YARDS WHERE HE WOULD HAVE DISPLAY AREA, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC.
AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS MINOR ADJUSTMENT WOULD BE, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR HIM AND ALLOW HIM TO MOVE FORWARD.
THE BIGGEST THING IS HE HAS TWO DIFFERENT MORTGAGES ON THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND TWO DIFFERENT BANKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR HIM TO CONSOLIDATE IN THIS TIME PERIOD WHERE WE'RE WE'RE IN IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
SO, UH, HIS FEELING, AND I THINK HIS, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'LL GET FUNDING ON TO DO THE WHOLE PROJECT AT ONCE AND BE ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING TOGETHER ONCE HE HAS THAT FUNDING IN PLACE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY ON BOTH ON THE CHANGE, UH, FOR THE PROFFER AMENDMENT.
AND SO YOU HAVE TWO ITEMS TO VOTE ON TONIGHT.
FIRST IS THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 14, WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE PROFFER.
AND THEN 25 DASH ONE 10, WHICH IS THE EXTENSION OF THE, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO GIVE HIM TIME TO GET, UM, GET THE SITE PLAN DONE AND STARTED.
HAVE NO QUESTIONS? YES, STEVEN.
SO THE PROFFER AMENDMENT, I THINK WE JUST HEARD IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WHEN THE USAGE IS GONNA OVERLAP TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO VACATE THE PROPERTY LINES.
IT IS, UH, USUALLY A REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND THE REASONING IS IF YOU HAVE BUILDINGS THAT GO OVER PROPERTY LINES, IT BECOMES PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO INSTALL FIREWALLS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT'S NOT IMPACTED IN THIS WAY.
HE'S JUST GONNA HAVE A DRIVE AISLE BASICALLY THAT'LL CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE
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TO ACCESS WHERE THE, THE STORAGE, THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE NOW WILL BECOME A STORAGE UNIT.UM, AND THEY'LL HAVE PARKING AND THINGS OF THE RVS ON THAT OTHER PARCEL.
SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN THOUGH WAS TO VACATE THE PROPERTY LINES MM-HMM
SO WHAT, WHAT'S CHANGED NOW THAT WE DON'T WANNA VACATE THE PROPERTY LINES, THERE REALLY IS NO CHANGE TO THE USE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME USE ON BOTH PROPERTIES.
UM, THEY'RE JUST, IT'S JUST NOT HAVING TO VACATE THE PROPERTY LINE IS ALL WE'RE TRYING TO GET SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE WHOLE MORTGAGE SITUATION.
SO, SO HOW, HOW DOES THE, HOW DOES THE PROPERTY LINE IMPACT THE MORTGAGE SITUATION? UH, BECAUSE IT'S UNDER TWO DIFFERENT BANKS AND FOR HIM TO CON YOU KNOW, GET ONE BUY ONE OUT, BASICALLY TO GET ANOTHER MORTGAGE, HE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT A WHOLE NEW MORTGAGE ON IT.
I, I THINK HE WOULD BE BETTER OFF EXPLAINING THAT PART OF IT.
I, I'M NOT A FINANCE GUY AND SO, OKAY.
LET ME LET, I'D LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IS MICHAEL WHERE HERE I BELIEVE HE IS.
WOULD YOU CARRY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN? THE, WELL, THE, THE EXTENSION I, I THINK IS FOR HIM AS WELL, SO THAT'S FINE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MIKE WARE, I'M AN ATTORNEY IN YORK COUNTY JUST UP THE STREET AT 4,000.
IF, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED, THEY ACQUIRED THE BIG SQUARE PARCEL, WHICH WAS PROPOSED TO BE A SHOPPING CENTER THAT FELL THROUGH.
WE ACQUIRED THAT AND THEN THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH WAS BEHIND THE MARSHALS OR THE LAWNMOWER SHOP, SOMEBODY BUILT A HOUSE THERE.
IT WAS PROBABLY A POOR SITUATION, BUT WE WERE MOVING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY ON THE LARGE PIECE.
AND THEN I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN WE THOUGHT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU PRIMARILY WHAT YOU WOULDN'T SUSPECT IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS CLOSE TO THE, UH, RESERVOIR PROPERTY.
SO AS YOU NOTICE IN THAT PICTURE, THE RETENTION POND HAS TAKEN A LIFE OF ITSELF AND GROWN THE HOMEOWNER OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS LANDLOCKED.
WE WERE HAVING TO PUT AN EASEMENT BACK THERE TO SUPPLY HIS HOUSE, UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND HE REALIZED HE'S GONNA BE LAND WAS GONNA BE LANDLOCKED BEHIND THIS BIG NEW RV FACILITY.
WE NEGOTIATED WITH HIM TO ACQUIRE THE HOUSE.
WE CAME BEFORE THE BO THE COUNTY AND SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GONNA ACQUIRE THE HOUSE.
WE WANT IT TO BE GENERAL BUSINESS.
SO AT THAT TIME, WE ALREADY HAD PURCHASED THE LARGE PARCEL THROUGH TOWN.
I MEAN, UM, OH POINT, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, TOWN BANK WAS VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING SOME OF OUR BUSINESS.
SO THEY FINANCED THE OTHER PARCEL.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT INTEREST RATES WOULD GO FROM 3% TO EIGHT OR 9%.
WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE EITHER THE ABANDONMENT OF THIS LINE 'CAUSE WE DON'T MEET THE PROFFERS.
SO WE CAN'T MOVE THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN FORWARD UNTIL WE EITHER ABANDON THAT LOT LINE, WHICH WOULD REQUIRES BASICALLY TO REFINANCE THESE TWO PARCELS ONLY TO MOVE IT DOWN, DOWN RANGE TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT LOAN.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, LET US LEAVE OUR FINANCING IN PLACE FOR THE TWO PARCELS.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT BUILDING ACROSS THE LINE.
THE PLANS ARE FIT WITH WITHIN THE COUNTY'S LOOKING FOR.
AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO TAKE IT TO CONSTRUCTION AND WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT LOAN, THEN WE CAN VACATE THIS LINE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT EASEMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON AS A PAPER EASEMENT, BUT IT WON'T SERVE ANYBODY.
'CAUSE WE ARE DEPENDING ON THAT PROPERTY PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE NEED THE EXTRA LAND FOR OUR RETENTION POND NOT TO TAKE UP WHAT WE WANT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE USED AS STORAGE.
SO IT, IT'S REALLY KIND OF LIKE A PROGRESSIVE THING WHERE WE WENT FROM THIS PIECE TO MOVE INTO THIS OTHER PIECE AND MOVE IT.
IT'S JUST A PRACTICAL BUSINESS PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
SO, YEAH, I THINK I, YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE JAMMED UP NOW.
SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT ANYTHING WHERE WE'RE WE? IT, IT DOESN'T BENEFIT US AT ALL EITHER WAY.
IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW WITH THE FINANCE AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO GO TWO STEPS.
WOULD IT COST A LOT OF MONEY AND, AND, OKAY.
AND IF WE GET THROUGH THIS TONIGHT AND THE APPROVALS COME IN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THESE PLANS APPROVED THROUGH THE COUNTY, WE'RE READY TO GET FINANCING AND GO.
WE'RE, WE'RE CANDIDLY WE, WE'VE HAD HOPE FOR THIS TO BE DONE YEARS AGO.
WE DIDN'T PLAN ON THE COVID, WE DIDN'T PLAN ON ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND WE DIDN'T SURELY DIDN'T PLAN ON THE PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD WITH THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, NEW NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS PROPERTY.
ANYBODY ELSE? DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THIS MORNING? I COULD ANSWER YES.
HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT BEFORE THE BMP TAKES UP THE WHOLE AREA? I DON'T KNOW, SIR, BUT THANK YOU.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I DID MY PROPERTY, THAT'S A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION.
I DID MY PROPERTY UP HERE AT, UH, ELLA TAYLOR.
THERE IS NO PLACE FOR A BP AND I REALLY HAD A HARD TIME WITH, UH, ONE OF OUR OKAY.
THANK MR. AWARE IF THERE'S ANY, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WELL, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE ALL HAD WAS WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN ADEQUATELY ANSWERED.THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE ORDINANCE 25 14.
ON TWENTY FIVE FOURTEEN, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 14 TO APPROVED AN APPLICATION TO AMEND PR CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO 1.4 ACRES AT ONE 11 FAULKNER ROAD.
THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE R 25 DASH ONE 10.
SO MOVE, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH ONE 10 TO APPROVE AN APPLICATION TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE FOR ESTABLISHING A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SALES AND DISPLAY USE WITHOUT BODY WORK AND PAINTING AT 6 9 0 3 AND 6 9 0 9.
GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND ONE 11 FAULKNER ROAD.
[5. Application No. ZT-200-245, Proposed Changes to York County Zoning Ordinance for Data Centers. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-16 to amend various sections of the York County Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 24.1, York County Code, to incorporate provisions concerning data centers. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Memorandum to the Board dated February 18, 2025 c. Excerpts of minutes from the March 4, 2025, Board of Supervisors Meeting d. Excerpts of minutes from the November 13, 2024, Planning Commission Meeting e. Excerpts of minutes from the September 11, 2024, Planning Commission Meeting f. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-16 ]
NOW ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR DATA CENTERS.HEY, SO THIS, UH, THIS PRESENTATION IS TO DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE PROVISIONS CONCERNING DATA CENTERS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THESE AMENDMENTS AT ITS SEPTEMBER 11TH AND NOVEMBER 13TH, 2024.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS INCLUDE A NEW DEFINITION FOR DATA CENTER IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 1 0 4.
THE LAND USE ADDED TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 0 6, CATEGORY 15, NUMBER 15, AND NEW PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR DATA CENTERS WITHIN SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 89.
THIS SECTION, THIS NEW SECTION INCLUDES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WOULD REGULATE ENERGY USAGE, WATER USAGE, NOISE GENERATION, SETBACKS AND BUFFERS, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND SAFETY PROVISIONS.
WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FIVE TO ZERO WITH MR. KRINER AND MR. CHAMBERLAIN ABSENT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
AT THE MARCH 4TH, 2025 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION, THE BOARD DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO REGULATE DATA CENTERS AND PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO STAFF.
CONCERNS WERE EXPRESSED THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW DATA CENTER WOULD CREATE DEMAND TO UPGRADE UTILITY SCALE ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE COST OF SUCH AN UPGRADE WOULD BE PASSED TO CITIZENS PROPOSED SECTION 24.1 DASH 49.1.
A1 REQUIRES DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A LETTER FROM THE ELECTRIC UTILITY PURVEYOR INDICATING SUFFICIENT PROXIMITY AND AVAILABILITY TO A SUBSTATION AND TRANSMISSION LINES TO SERVE THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER DURING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
IF THE ELECTRIC UTILITY PURVEYOR INDICATES THEIR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT SUPPORT THE ENERGY DEMANDS OF THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER, THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DENY THEIR APPLICATION.
ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THAT A DATA CENTER COULD INCREASE OPERATING CAPACITY WITHOUT INCREASING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
AND SUCH AN INCREASE WOULD GENERATE A GREATER DEMAND FOR ENERGY AND WATER.
PROPOSED SECTION 24.1 DASH 49 1A REQUIRES DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A LETTER FROM BOTH THE ELECTRIC UTILITY AND PUBLIC WATER PURVEYOR INDICATING SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER TO THE COUNTY.
THE BOARD COULD, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, REQUIRE THE ENERGY CAPACITY TO BE REVERIFIED BY THE UTILITY PROVIDER AT CERTAIN INTERVALS.
THE PROPOSED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ALSO INCLUDE WATER CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE MAINTAINED REGARDLESS OF CAPACITY.
THIS WOULD ACCOMMODATE INCREASES IN WATER CONSUMPTION WHILE ENSURING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT PER UNIT OF OPERATION DOESN'T INCREASE.
LASTLY, THE ISSUE OF GENERATOR TESTING WAS RAISED PROPOSED.
SECTION 24.1 DASH 49.1 D FOUR STATES THAT DATA CENTERS SHALL NOT ENGAGE IN ONSITE GENERATOR TESTING FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS EACH DAY.
ONLY ON WEEKDAYS BETWEEN 5:00 PM AND 8:00 PM THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT GENERATOR TESTING BE LIMITED TO ONE HOUR PER WEEK.
THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS BEEN REVISED TO REFLECT THE REQUESTED CHANGE.
SO WE BELIEVE THE REVISED PROPOSED ORDINANCE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THE BOARD'S CONCERNS AND PROTECTS RE RESIDENTS FROM ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS A DATA CENTER COULD CREATE.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS SET FORTH IN PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 16.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? YEP, I HAVE A FEW, FEW QUESTIONS.
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WHEN A DEVELOPER PROPOSED TO THE DATA CENTER AND THEY WORK WITH THE UTILITY COMPANY, ELECTRICAL AND WATER ABOUT CAPACITY, ARE THEY GOING TO, ARE THEY GOING TO BASE THAT QUESTION ON THE BUILDING RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY OR WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY'RE PLANNING ON STARTING WITH, YOU BUILD A DATA CENTER BUT YOU'RE MAYBE YOUR FIRST FIVE YEARS, YOU'RE ONLY PLANNING ON USING HALF OF YOUR, OF YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE AND WITH ROOM FOR GROWTH.SO WHEN THEY ASK THE UTILITY COMPANY ABOUT CAPACITY, ARE THEY CAPACITY IF, IF THEY'RE AT FULL CAPACITY OR WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON GOING OUTTA THE GATE WITH WHEN I, MY CONCERN IS IF THEY ONLY START OUT WITH HALF THE BUILDING BEING USED AND YOU GET A LETTER FROM THE UTILITY COMPANY SAYING, YEAH, THERE'S ENOUGH ELECTRICITY, ENOUGH ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT, AND A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THEY WANT TO EXPAND INTO THE REST OF THE DATA CENTER, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? NOW THEY'RE GONNA DOUBLE THEIR USAGE.
SO IS THE USAGE BASED ON AT FULL CAPACITY OF THE DATA CENTER OR WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON GOING IN WITH? I WOULD RECOMMEND TO A DATA CENTER DEVELOPER THAT IF THEY PLAN TO EXPAND, THEN THEY SHOULD SAY THEY SHOULD SUBMIT AT THEIR FULL CAPACITY.
SO THAT, SO WE'RE GONNA STIPULATE THAT SHOULD THIS EVER COME UP THAT THAT WHEN YOU GET YOUR CAPACITY FEEDBACK FROM THE UTILITIES COMPANIES, THAT IT'S BASED UPON YOU RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY OF YOUR DATA CENTER? NOT YEAR ONE, NOT YEAR TWO.
BUT IF THEY COME AND TELL US THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY PLAN TO EXPAND THEIR CAPACITY IN A FEW YEARS, THEN WE WOULD TELL THEM THAT THEY NEED TO TELL US WHAT THE FULL CAPACITY WOULD BE OTHERWISE, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND REVERIFY IN CERTAIN INTERVALS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED AS IS WE COULD, UM, REQUIRE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES YOU SEE THE BUILDING, THE DATA CENTER BILLS GO UP, BUT THEY'RE NOT FULLY UTILIZED OUTTA THE GATE.
THEY GROW INTO THAT OVER TIME.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE AT MAX ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL AND WATER CAPACITY YEAR ONE AND THEN RUN INTO PROBLEMS AS THEY EXPAND THEIR USAGE AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY AND ELECTRICAL OR WATER TO SUPPORT THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE INTO THE SITUATION WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT.
UM, SECOND QUESTION THERE, THERE IS A PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR DATA CENTERS AS A READING IN HERE AND IT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, IF IT CEASES TO OPERATE AS A DATA CENTER FOR I THINK 30 DAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT? I CAN CHECK FOR YOU.
IT SAYS IN THE EVENT THE DATA CENTER IS NOT OPERATIONAL.
IT IS 30 DAYS IN THE EVENT THE DATA CENTER CEASES TO OPERATE FOR A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF 30 DAYS.
AND THEN CONTINUE READING THAT THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE PROVIDED BY THE OWNER SLASH OPERATOR TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WITHIN SEVEN DAYS THEREAFTER.
AND THEN REMOVAL OF DATA CENTER EQUIPMENT, I THINK IT SAYS, YEAH.
SO IT SAYS EVIDENCE THAT THE DATA CENTER HAS, UH, BEEN AND REMAINS IN OPERATION OR DOCUMENTATION.
UM, FOR THE, OF THE REASONS FOR WHICH THE DATA CENTER HAS CEASED OPERATIONS AND DOCUMENTATION OF THE PLAN AND ANY CORRECTIVE MEASURES BEING TAKEN.
YOU'RE ASKING IF THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE EQUIPMENT? I THINK IT, IT SAYS THE DATA CENTER EQUIPMENT, UH, SHALL BE DISMANTLED AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE WITHIN 180 DAYS.
NOW WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED DATA CENTER? EQUIPMENT.
EQUIPMENT THAT'S INSIDE THE DATA CENTER.
SO ALL OF THE COMPUTE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE WERE RUNNING THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED? YES.
WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE GENERATOR OR THE COOLING TOWERS OR THINGS LIKE THAT? IS THAT CONSIDERED INFRASTRUCTURE OR IS THAT CONSIDERED DATA CENTER? EQUIPMENT GENERATOR WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO GO.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BUILT INTO THE BUILDING AND YOU CAN'T TAKE IT THEN.
SO, SO THE BUILDING ITSELF WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO BE TORN DOWN? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, 30, WHERE DID 30 DAYS COME FROM? IS THAT A INDUSTRY STANDARD? IT'S A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR CODE.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, LIKE GAS STATIONS HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, IF THEY CEASE OPERATION, JUST I THINK, UM, WE HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR CAR WASHES, BUT I THINK THAT'S LIKE NINE MONTHS IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE TO NINE OPERATED THE CAR WASH FOR NINE MONTHS BEFORE THEY MISSED IT, THE PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
SO THERE WAS A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN 30 DAYS OF ONE MONTH AND NINE MONTHS.
THAT'S, SO I WAS WONDERING WHY WE, WE CAME TO 30 DAYS THERE.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE FOR CAR WASHES.
I'M AWARE OF ONE FOR GAS STATIONS AND FOR SOLAR, UH, ENERGY FACILITIES.
AND UM, I BELIEVE BOTH OF THOSE HAVE THE 30 DAY.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS, I THOUGHT THERE WAS, UH, ONE FOR THE CAR WASH BECAUSE WE HAD ONE ON 17.
HE SAID IF HE DIDN'T GET REZONED RIGHT FOR THE PROPERTY, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO HIS, HE WOULD'VE TO DIG UP THE TANKS.
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THAT I WAS AWARE OF THERE.BUT HE HAD SOME, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT.
IT'S THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE HAMPTON ROAD, CHARLIE DAVIDSON.
THAT, THAT WAS THE BIG CONTENTION.
'CAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY, BUT HE HIT THE DEADLINE AND HE WAS IN THE TIGHT SPOT AND IT WAS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS NINE MONTHS.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN NINE MONTHS FOR A CAR WASH AND 30 DAYS FOR, UM, A DATA CENTER.
BUT IF THAT'S A STANDARD, THAT'S A STANDARD.
THE REGULATIONS HERE IN THE ORDINANCE WAS, WAS WAS THAT DEVELOPED FROM LOOKING AT OTHER IMPLEMENTATIONS ELSEWHERE? FROM OUR, FROM, FROM OUR PARTNERS, MAYBE NORTH OF VIRGINIA.
IS THIS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEIR STANDARDS ARE FOR DATA CENTERS OR, UM, DID WE KIND OF CREATE THESE IN A VACUUM? NO, THESE ARE SIMILAR TO OTHER, UH, LOCALITIES.
WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH TALK TO A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND SURROUNDING HERE.
AND THESE, UM, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE IN LINE WITH MANY OF THOSE.
SO IF, IF A DEVELOPER COMES TO YORK COUNTY FOR A DATA CENTER, HE'S SEEING OR SHE'S SEEING SOMETHING THEY'RE USED TO SEEING ELSEWHERE, THIS WOULDN'T CATCH ANYBODY BY SURPRISE.
THESE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO OTHER, UH, OTHER CODES IN VIRGINIA.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
JILL, I GOT ANYBODY ELSE? YES, TOM? AGAIN, REAL QUICK.
I, I, WHEN I READ THIS, UM, IT WAS MOSTLY ABOUT POWER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ELECTRICAL POWER, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION FOR DOING THIS.
I MEAN, I, I I, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S CHESAPEAKE, I THINK IT'S CHESAPEAKE'S HAVING AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE UP IN ARMS OVER IT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
DON'T WANNA GET FOOT LETTER OF FARM LAND OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UH, THIS IS A, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING THE AREAS FOR THIS WOULD BE LIKE, UH, INDUSTRIAL AREA POWER PLAN OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT.
WHERE THE OLD, OLD, UH, FIELDS ARE.
BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE, WHY WE WERE HAVING TO PUT THESE RESTRICTIONS.
I MEAN, IS IT, TELL ME WHY ARE WE DOING, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY ARE WE PROPOSING AMENDMENTS FOR DATA? UH, YEAH.
WHAT FOR THE CENTERS? WHY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT? SO RIGHT NOW, IF A DATA CENTER WANTED TO COME INTO THE COUNTY, WE WOULD HAVE NO REGULATIONS FOR THEM.
SO THESE ARE, THIS PROPOSAL IS TO CREATE REGULATIONS FOR DATA CENTERS.
SO WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE SO FOCUSED ON ELECTRICITY? IT'S A CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED, INCLUDING THIS BOARD, UH, THAT THE ENER DATA CENTERS, UM, USE A LOT OF ENERGY, A LOT MORE THAN OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES.
SO THE CONCERN IS THAT THAT COST MAY BE PASSED ON TO CITIZENS.
SO WHAT ABOUT NATURAL GAS? IS THAT, DOES THIS ADDRESS NATURAL GAS? THROUGH MY RESEARCH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT DATA CENTERS USE NATURAL GAS AT A HIGH RATE.
UM, WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THEY USE WATER AND ELECTRICITY AT A VERY HIGH RATE.
BUT ARE WE NOT LOOKING TO THE FUTURE WHERE THEY, WE WE COME IN AND USE MAYBE SMALL NUCLEAR GENERATORS THAT, THAT SOMETHING THAT GENERATE, I'M SORRY, THAT GENERATE ENERGY, UH, ELECTRICAL POWER AND, UH, USE, USE NATURAL GAS.
IF WE'RE A DATA CENTER, SMALL NUCLEAR GENERATORS WOULD NOT USE NATURAL GAS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY WOULD USE NUCLEAR ENERGY.
WELL, I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG, THAT WAS A BIG POINT OF DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD WITH FIRMS THAT WERE LOOKING TO DO THIS.
WAS THAT THE LIMITATIONS ON NATURAL GAS? I'M SORRY, WILL YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? OKAY.
I'M TRYING NOT TO GO, I GOTTA BE CAREFUL WHAT I TALK ABOUT
THE, THE, UH, THE GENERATE POWER OKAY.
NOW WE'RE TALKING IN HIS, THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, WE'RE TAKING ELECTRICAL POWER OFF THE GRID.
IN OTHER WORDS, COMING RIGHT OFF THE GRID.
UM, THERE'S OTHER WAYS OF GENERATING POWER USE THE STEAM.
WHICH IS GENERATED THROUGH THINGS LIKE NUCLEAR ENERGY, NUCLEAR, UH, OR COAL OR, UH, SOLAR PANELS.
NOW ACTUALLY SOLAR PANELS DO THEIR OWN, THEY DO ANOTHER, ANOTHER APPROACH.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT I, I SEE THIS IS LOCKED ONTO ELECTRICITY.
IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUES I'VE HEARD AND THE BRIEFINGS FROM THE INDUSTRY THAT DEAL WITH NATURAL GAS.
SO YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY, YOU'RE NOT AWARE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT NATURAL GAS IS AN ISSUE.
BUT IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN HERE, WE CAN WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO ADD.
I MEAN, I JUST, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A LIMITATION ON OUR ABILITY TO USE NATURAL GAS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PIPE.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE, WE WE WOULD NEED TO GET NATURAL GAS BROUGHT IN SOME WAY.
THAT'S NOT FOR DATA CENTER USE.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT POWER GENERATION BY THE DATA CENTER.
AND SO, MR. SHEPHERD, I THINK TO GET YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE CORE OF YOUR QUESTION IS HOW YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY'RE PRODUCING THE ELECTRICITY.
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ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THE ELECTRICITY, THEY'RE PULLING OFF THE GRID.WE WANT TO KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA USE IT AND IF THE GRID CAN HANDLE IT.
WE DON'T CARE WHERE THE ELECTRICITY IS COMING FROM.
YOU KNOW, THE ENERGY PROVIDER, THE ELECTRICITY ENERGY PROVIDER CAN HAVE NATURAL GAS, NUCLEAR, HOWEVER THEY WANT.
WE JUST WANT A LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THE ELECTRICAL PROVIDER CAN HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL ELECTRICITY THAT THE DATA CENTER IS REQUESTING.
WE'RE NOT WORRIED IF IT COMES FROM NATURAL GAS, STEAM, NUCLEAR, ANYTHING.
WE JUST WANNA KNOW THAT THE WHOEVER DECIDES TO PROVIDE THE ELECTRICITY CAN DO IT EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT IMPACTING EVERYONE ON THE GRID.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT.
SO HOW DOES, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GOT WRITTEN HERE, HOW IS THAT BEING DETERMINED? SO THE DATA CENTER WOULD GET A LETTER FROM WHOEVER'S PROVIDING THE ELECTRICITY, SAYING THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE, AS MR. R SAID, AT FULL CAPACITY, ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO RUN THE DATA CENTER WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU AS THE BOARD TO MAKE YOUR DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE DOING IT ADEQUATELY OR NOT.
SO IF THEY COME IN AND SAY THAT WE'LL, UH, CREATE A SMALL NUCLEAR, UH, GENERATOR, UH, THAT CAN BE USED ON, ON SITE OKAY.
MEETING ALL THE RE REQUIREMENTS, THEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO CONCERN.
THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE OF THE SOURCES OF ENERGY FOR THEM.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT SOME CERTIFICATION'S GONNA SAY THAT OKAY.
THAT BASED ON THIS USE AND THE OFF THE GRID, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE INFORMATION HAVE YOU WOULD USE TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO PROVE CORRECT.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE DOWNFALLS OR WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS? IF, IF, UH, UM, I WON'T SAY THEY DON'T HAVE IT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING GOES BAD ON SITE? THERE ARE, SOMETHING GOES BAD TO THE POWER SYSTEM, UH, LIKE OUR STORM COMES THROUGH AND DAMAGES OR AN EARTHQUAKE HITS AND DAMAGES THE SURY PLANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
NOW I KNOW WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL WEAVED TOGETHER, UH, EXCEPT FOR TEXAS, BUT ANYWAY, OR HOW WAS, HOW WAS THAT PLAY INTO THIS? SO THAT'S WHERE THE ELECTRICAL GENERAT GENERATORS COME OR THE GENERATORS COME INTO PLAY.
SO ALL OF THESE FACILITIES HAVE GENERATORS FOR THAT VERY ISSUE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THEM AS AN ASPECT OF THIS, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE IF THEY'RE RUNNING OFF OF DIESEL OR NATURAL GAS GENERATORS IS NOT MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE FOR THE ADDITIONAL, FOR THE NEIGHBORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IF A STORM WIPES OUT THE GRID AND THEY'RE RUNNING OFF GENERATORS, THAT'S ALSO IN HERE AS AN ASPECT THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION.
SO BASICALLY THIS ONE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE, THE GRID.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT FIRST PART.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAD A FEW COMMENTS.
SO THIS, THIS REALLY CAME UP AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE VACO DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH OTHER PARTICIPATING, UH, COUNTIES.
AND, UM, AND THOSE THAT ENTERED INTO DATA CENTER AGREEMENTS AND THEN GOT SURPRISED, SURPRISED BY THE POWER LOAD OR SURPRISED BY THE VOLTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
DISCOVERED THAT IN FACT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT CARRIED THE RIGHT VOLTAGE OF, OF ELECTRICITY TO THEIR PLANTS.
AND, AND THEREFORE THE POWER, UH, SUPPLIER HAD A EMINENT DOMAIN, UH, RIGHT TO RUN POWER DIRECTLY TO THE PLANT WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF ROUTING.
THE, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH DELIVERING POWER TO A DATA CENTER BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH POWER HOGS.
UM, AND, AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THOSE OTHER COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES WAS GET SOME ORDINANCES IN PLACE.
UM, I, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE COMMENTS ACTUALLY.
SECTION 24.1, 49.1, SECTION A ONE, IT SAYS A LETTER FROM THE ELECTRIC UTILITY PURVEYOR INDICATING SUFFICIENT PROXIMITY AND AVAILABILITY TO A SUBSTATION AND TRANSMISSION LINES.
IT'S MISSING THE WORDS WITH SUFFICIENT CAPACITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THAT SECTION.
AND THEN I WOULD ADD NUMBERS THREE AND FOUR TO SECTION A.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, I WOULD SAY ENERGY CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE REVERIFIED ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS.
I, I THINK FOR US TO HAVE AN OPTION FOR THE BOARD TO GO BACK AND CONSIDER THAT VERSUS JUST BUILD IT INTO OUR ORDINANCE, I'D RATHER HAVE IT UPFRONT AND STATED AND THE DATA CENTER OWNER, KNOWING THAT HE HAS THAT REQUIREMENT OR OF THAT OBLIGATION ON A, ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS RATHER THAN IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ASKED FOR BY THE BOARD I'D, I'D BUILD IT RIGHT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
I'D REQUEST THAT REVISION NUMBER FOUR.
IT IT, IT ADDRESSES KIND OF WHAT STEVEN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
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LIMITED TO 25% OF THE APPROVED GRID LOAD AT TIME OF APPLICATION.SO SET SOME LIMITS ON JUST HOW MUCH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO EXPAND THEIR FACILITIES BY MOST OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE AROUND ARLINGTON OR LOUDOUN COUNTY AND OTHERS HAVE NOT INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, BUT SERVERS HAVE BECOME SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT MM-HMM
THAT THEY CAN PACK MORE INTO THE BUILDING AND THAT CAUSES THEIR GRID LOAD TO GO UP.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT THEY'RE FACING IS THAT THAT SERVERS ARE DROPPING IN SIZE SO RAPIDLY THAT THE ELECTRICAL AND WATER UTILITIES LOAD IS, IS INCREASING WELL BEYOND WHAT ANYBODY CONSIDERED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED SOME STATEMENT IN HERE TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT THERE IS SOME LIMIT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO EXPAND BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE INITIALLY APPROVED AT.
SO I, I, I'D LOOK FOR THOSE THREE REVISIONS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT, UH, SECTION A, UH, FOR US TO, I THINK ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
SO HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD YOU THINK A BUSINESS WOULD LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS THAT THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND SPEND $400 MILLION ON A DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, AND ONLY THIS, THEY TAKE, COME IN AND TELL US RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF, OF IT UPFRONT, I MEAN, TO DO THE WORK AND, BUT WE GOTTA EXPAND TO 400,000.
SO HOW WOULD YOU THINK A BUSINESS WOULD LOOK AT THAT? I MEAN, THAT'S, WELL, THE BUSINESS SHOULD COME IN UPFRONT AND TELL US WHAT THE ULTIMATE GRID LOAD IS THAT THEY WANT AT THE END GAME.
AND THEN IF BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES, THEY'RE ABLE TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT.
SET A LIMIT AT WHICH POINT THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE SUP OR FURTHER APPROVAL.
WE NEED SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS THE, I'LL CALL IT THE COMMUNITY FROM, FROM HAVING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF POWER DRAWN OFF THE GRID AND THEN ALL OF US FACING HUGE ENERGY BILLS BECAUSE ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE REBUILT BY THE CONSUMER.
SO IS THIS GONNA BE A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE BASIS? IT COULD BE.
YOU'VE RAISED SOME INTERESTING POINTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THIS.
AS IT STANDS, I THINK THIS PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL YOU LOOK INTO THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
HOW, HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT? I WOULD'VE BEEN PREPARED TO VOTE WITH THOSE REVISIONS.
BUT CAN THEY RESTATE THEM? I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AN RI DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
I THINK THEY COULD CAPTURE PRETTY MUCH.
WELL, I MEAN, I WAS LOOKING FOR JUST MORE FOR INFORMATION AS OPPOSED TO CHANGES THAT STEVEN MIGHT HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS? SO ARE WE GOING TO, UH, MAKE IT AN ALL WE CAN CAPTURE IT, I MEAN, 25 DASH 16 R IT WOULD BE AN R IF WE ADDED THE ADDITIONS THAT MR. HORO WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
CAN I MAKE ONE, ONE MORE QUICK THING.
MR. HOL REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
ANOTHER R WELL, NO, IT'LL BE IN, IN THIS R MS. ANDERSON, YOU MIGHT, DO WE NEED, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA NITPICK, BUT UNDER, ON THE DATA CENTER DEFINITION ESTABLISHMENT ENGAGING IN THE STORAGE MANAGEMENT PROCESSING AND OR TRANSMISSION TRANSMISSION OF DIGITAL DATA AND HAZARD COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, NETWORK EQUIPMENT SYSTEMS, SERVERS, APPLIANCES, AND ASSOCIATED COMPONENTS RELATED TO DATA CENTER OPERATIONS.
UM, I MEET ALL THOSE CRITERIA.
DO WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE AN A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT WHOSE PRIMARY, I MEAN, DO WE NEED IT? I DON'T, I I DON'T CARE.
BUT I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE IN ISSUED DOWN THE ROAD.
HANG THIS, THIS WOULD BE A PRIMARY USE.
SO I, WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF YOUR HOME.
I'M JUST ASKING IF WE NEEDED ADD IN THERE.
IF, IF NOT, I THINK WE'D BE OKAY.
I THINK IT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN THOSE, UM, INDUSTRIAL AND, UM, HOW MUCH POWER CONSUMING, I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE AS I'M SITTING THERE PUSHING IT OVER A TERABYTE OF DATA EVERY MONTH AND I GOT MULTIPLE MONITORS AND MACHINES TO RUN ME WENT THAT JUST DESCRIBED MY HOUSE.
YOU COULD ALWAYS DONATE SOME 3D MONITORS TO US IF YOU, OKAY.
SO IF, IF IT STANDS THIS WAY AND WE'VE PICKED UP THE R I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.
AND WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AN GREGORIAN.
I LIVE AT BALDER PLACE HERE IN YORKTOWN.
UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR DATA CENTERS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AT ALL THE LAST TWO YEARS, FIGHTING, FIGHTING, FIGHTING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, MR. HOY'S TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD THEM DOWN, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, THE TWO THINGS I HAVE LEFT THAT I FEEL THAT MAYBE COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THIS, UM, SINCE WE'RE REWRITING IT, UM, IS THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS FOR
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LIGHTING, LIGHTING NOISE.IN OTHER WORDS, MAKING SURE THAT THE LIGHTING FOR THESE DATA CENTERS, WHICH ARE VERY LOW, UH, LARGE, IS ACTUALLY FOCUSED DOWNWARD, UM, TO, TO PROTECT AGAINST LIGHT POLLUTION DEPENDING UPON WHERE THEY'RE AT.
IT COULD AFFECT RESIDENTIAL OR OTHER ENJOYMENT AREAS.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ASK IS, UH, IF YOU READ, UH, THE JAC REPORT ON THIS, THAT CAME OUT DECEMBER, 2024, UM, THEY TALK ABOUT NOISE MEASUREMENTS.
AND I SEE WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE A WE DO, UM, A LEVEL NOISE, UM, REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT JARC UM, ENCOURAGES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISH IN A FORCE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SOUND LEVELS FOR USING ALTERNATE LOW FREQUENCY.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UH, FOR THE FAN NOISE.
SO IF THIS DATA CENTER IS CONSTRUCTED USING FANS AS A MEANS OF COOLING THE CENTER, THAT IS WHAT THE LOW CONSTANT NOISE THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HEARING, UM, THAT IS MEASURED WITH A C UM, FILTER.
AND SO I KNOW THAT THE SHERIFF USES THE A FILTER FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S PLAYING MUSIC LOUD OR FOR OCCUPATIONAL NOISE.
BUT THE C FILTER IS REALLY WHAT DETERMINES THE LEVEL OF THIS CONSTANT HUMMING.
AND I THINK IT, IF WE COULD REQUIRE THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT, UM, THAT THAT READING, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
AND, UH, THE LAST THING, UM, THAT I WOULD SAY, UM, UM, I GUESS THAT IS THE LAST THING.
'CAUSE MR. ROY DID ALL MY OTHER POINTS,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR BEING PROACTIVE ON THIS.
I HAVE A QUESTION, EARL, ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, DO WE HAVE DOWN LIGHTING ON WHAT THESE, SORRY, I WAS JUST GIVING HER A PEN BACK.
UM, THE, UH, LIGHTING IS CONTROLLED IN ALL AREAS.
YOU HAVE TO, CAN CAN I BE POINT, 0.01 AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AND IT IS DOWN DIRECTED.
IT'S IN ANOTHER PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT COVERS THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO, WELL HOW ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE ISSUE C LEVEL LAWYERS? THE NOISE, NOISE? UH, WE HAVE SOMEBODY NOISE.
IS IT WE DOING THE PUBLIC HEARING YET, OR? SO WE ARE AWARE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING CC WEIGHTED MEASURES ARE OFTEN USED TO, UM, TO MEASURE THE SOUND FOR DATA CENTERS.
BUT THE REASON THAT WE WENT WITH, UM, WITH THE AWAI IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE, UM, YORK POCO AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE USES.
AND THIS IS WHAT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN OUR ORDINANCE.
IT'S JUST A PUBLIC HEARING YET, OR JUST OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.
ARE WE TALKING JUST OPENED? YES.
UM, I WANNA MAKE THREE POINTS BASED UPON WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED.
MR. SHEPHERD, IF YOU RECALL THE UH, RECYCLING CENTER UP THERE ON 17 THAT WAS CAUSING TABLETS, THE HEADACHE THAT WE SPOKE OF PROBABLY SEVEN MONTHS AGO, A WEIGHTED C WEIGHTED, I HAD NEVER GOT INVOLVED WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE FREQUENCIES LOW, HIGH, MID.
BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE CAN BE NOISE GENERATED FROM THESE DATA CENTERS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO A DATA CENTER HERE 'CAUSE WE NEED THE JOBS FOR CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS LONG TERM.
HOWEVER, WHATEVER THE NOISE ABATEMENT THAT CAN BE ESTABLISHED TO HELP PROTECT ANYBODY'S HOMES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, SO THE LOCATION IS ALWAYS KEY.
HAS ANYBODY VISITED BESIDES THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE? FACILITIES UP IN LOUDOUN, BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAS THE MOST DATA CENTERS IN THE WORLD.
150 OF 'EM AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS ABOUT 35% OF DATA CENTERS WORLDWIDE.
HOWEVER, SPEAKING OF THE GENERATING OF ELECTRICITY, IF WE LOOK AT THE CANNON PLANT THAT WAS CREATED OVER IN, UH, GLOUCESTER FOR THEIR RECYCLING FACILITY, THEY DID SOLAR PANELS, GOT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR IT, AND IS SOME A RATED BUILDING AS FAR AS NATIONAL STANDARDS.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT ANY BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT SOLAR PANELS WOULD HELP KIND OF OFFSET SOME OF THE ELECTRICITY THAT'S USED.
I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS 'CAUSE THIS NEXT TOPIC I GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT, BUT JUST AS YOU GUYS SPEAK OF COAST GUARD FACILITIES AND OTHER MILITARY INSTALLATIONS HERE, WE KNOW THAT DOMINION IS ABLE TO POWER A CERTAIN FACILITY THAT IS LOCATED CLOSE TO YORKTOWN, BUT I DON'T WANNA MENTION WHERE LINES ARE.
SO DOMINION SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ANY DATA CENTER BASED UPON OUR SUR SUR NUCLEAR PLANT, BUT THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
'CAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE BROWNOUTS FOR THE REST OF US IF IT EVER GOT TO THAT POINT.
UM, I'M AN OLD MAN, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME WHILE I'M THINKING OF THE THIRD POINT OR MAYBE THE FOURTH POINT.
UM, YEAH, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH.
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IF YOU GUYS DON'T VOTE ON IT TONIGHT, THEN MAYBE SOME MORE, UH, DIALOGUE COULD TAKE PLACE AND WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.C WAIT, A WAIT, HOW THE ELECTRICITY IS.
AND, UH, THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE TOLD ME TO ENCOURAGE ME TO USE THREE MINUTES, BUT I'M GONNA RESERVE MY TIME FOR THE NEXT PERSON.
THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARES TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WELL, I I, I'LL GO ALONG, I'LL MOVE IT.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST.
WE'LL, MR. SHEPHERD HAS MOVED, UH, LET'S SEE, THAT IS 25 DASH 16 R RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SO TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING IN A VOID HERE.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING IS FOR THE PUBLIC'S.
I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH DATA CENTERS.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE NUCLEAR POWER SYSTEMS. WE'VE TALKED WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD SOLAR POWER SYSTEMS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NATURAL GAS.
SO I DIDN'T GET INTO ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO WALK THE, WALK THE GRAVEYARD TO GET THE FEELING RIGHT.
UM, THE, UH, IT'S SMART FOR US TO PREPARE FOR THIS.
WE, WE CAN ONLY LIVE OFF THE MISTAKES, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
WE CAN PREPARE FOR THE MISTAKES.
WE DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THE SAME ROAD.
AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS JUST A START.
WE MAY HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK.
AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE OTHER SOURCES, UH, WHICH I THINK ARE GOING TO BE, UM, IF WE END UP WITH MORE THAN ONE OR TWO DATA CENTERS, WHICH COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN, UH, BASED UPON OUR CLOSENESS TO THE POWER GRID, UH, ON OUR, AT OUR INDUSTRIAL SITES.
SO THIS IS, UH, I THINK I SEE THIS AS A, THIS IS GONNA BE, IT.
IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR US TO MAKE CHANGES AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS PROCESS WHERE WE'RE STARTING NOW.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START.
IT, IT'S, IT, WE'RE AHEAD OF THE GAME, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WE HAVE STARTED ON THIS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, IT'S JUST OUR OTHER COUNTIES AND OTHER SUPERVISORS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS ONE WHERE WE WANT TO HAVE OUR A GAME UP.
AND I THINK THIS, THIS MAY NOT ANSWER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT IT, IT GETS US A LONG WAY TOWARDS THAT BEFORE THE FACT, RATHER THAN BEFORE WE HAVE, IF ANYBODY WORKED TO COME TO US ABOUT IT, WE HAVE THOROUGHLY RESEARCHED IT.
THIS DOES MOVE THE NEEDLE A LOT.
AND ALSO REMEMBER, IN ALL CASES, THIS IS APPLICABLE TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO EACH APPLICATION, SHOULD IT COME MM-HMM
WE GET A CHANCE TO DO A DEEP DIVE AND IF NECESSARY, PUT OTHER STIPULATIONS BEYOND WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IF WE NEED TO.
IT IS STILL GONNA COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE BOARD, THE COMMUNITY PUBLIC TO SUSS IT ALL OUT AND MAKE SURE IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR YOUR COUNTY.
IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
ARE WE, ARE YOU VOTING ON THE R? YES.
I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THE R, EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S FULLY ON THE RECORD.
I, I WROTE DOWN WHAT I THINK IT IS, BUT MR. ANDERSON CAN PERHAPS OKAY.
IT, I THINK, UM, MS. SHOT HAS IT, AND SHE CAN READ WHAT MR. ROY SPECIFICALLY WROTE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN HEAR IT.
IT WAS THE ADDITION OF ENERGY CAPACITY TO BE REVERIFIED ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS.
THE ADDITION IN UNDER SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 8 9 0.1 STANDARDS FOR DATA CENTERS.
UH, A ONE, THE ADDITION OF AFTER AND TRANSMISSION LINES WITH SUFFICIENT CAPACITY AND ALSO THE ADDITION OF EXPANSION LI LIMITED TO 25% OF APPROVED GRID LOAD LOAD.
INCREASE THE NEW SUP APPLICATION REQUIRED BEYOND 25%.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO A REQUEST, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S CAPTURED, IF, IF I MAY ASK YES.
THAT THE CERTIFICATION BY THE ELECTRICAL PURVEYOR BE A CERTIFICATION OF THE FACILITY AT FULL CAPACITY.
MY STATEMENT WAS FULL CAPACITY.
AND IS IT THE INTENTION TO REQUEST RECERTIFICATION OF BOTH ELECTRICAL AND WATER? YES.
SO HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU CERTIFY A FULL CAPACITY WHEN YOU ONLY ONLY HAVE 25% OF IT BUILT? WELL, THEY MAY START
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WITH ONLY 25% BUILT, BUT THEY WOULD DESIGN FOR A HUNDRED.RIGHT? SO, SO THEY WOULD, SO THAT A HUNDRED THOUGH IS GONNA BE CHANGES BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE HUNDRED.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE INSTANTANEOUS.
AND THEN YOU COULD ADD THAT WITH NEW EQUIPMENT, NEW LOADS, NEW EVERYTHING.
SO I'M SAYING IF YOU GOTTA DO THE CERTIFICATION UP FRONT FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT CAPACITY, HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO THAT? WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD KNOW THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE SIZE OF THE FACILITIES THAT THEY'RE CREATING, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT A HUNDRED PERCENT THEY ACTUALLY CAN DO.
THAT REPRESENTS, YES, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU START OPERATING AT A HUNDRED PERCENT FROM DAY ONE.
BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COULD DETERMINE THAT WAY.
EVERY 18 MONTHS CHANGE, WHICH YOU WANT TO KNOW THE BITE OF THE APPLE.
I, UH, I BUILT SEVERAL CHEMICAL PLANTS.
I CAN TELL YOU, YOU DESIGN FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S GONNA, WHAT THAT'S GONNA PULL IN.
AND SO YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOUR, YOUR UTILITY PROVIDER CAN HANDLE THAT.
UH, WE FINISHED THE BEST GUESS THEN AT THE FUND.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA, IT'S AN EDUCATED GUESS CALL.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH 16 R TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 24.1 YORK COUNTY CODE TO INCORPORATE VARIOUS PRO PROVISIONS CONCERNING DATA CENTERS AS AMENDED.
[6. Chesapeake Bay Board Updates. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-5 to amend Chapter 23.2 Chesapeake Bay Preservation Areas of the Code of Ordinances for York County, Virginia. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Buffer Requirements 2009 c. Buffer Requirements 2010 d. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-5 with track changes ]
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD UPDATES, UH, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH FIVE TO AMEND CHAPTER 23.2 OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREAS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF YORK COUNTY VIRGINIA.GENTLEMEN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
SO, UM, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE JUNE 3RD WORK SESSION.
UH, THE ORDINANCE IS BEING UPDATED, UH, PER STATE MANDATES TO INCLUDE RESILIENCY ASSESSMENTS, GUIDELINES REGARDING MATURE TREES, AS WELL AS BAY A UPDATES INTO THE RESOURCE, UH, PROTECTION AREA.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S PER STATE MANDATE.
SO WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THE STATE.
IT'S GOTTA BE APPROVED BY SEPTEMBER OF 25.
ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THIS IS JUST, JUST, WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT THE STATE IS TELLING US TO, TO DO, TO DO.
ANYBODY CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? SEE, NOBODY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOW, WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? WELL, WE'VE, WE'VE REVIEWED THIS ALREADY AND ALREADY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT IS FOLLOWING STATE MANDATE.
AND SO I WOULD APPROVE THE MOTION TO, UH, UH, YEAH.
IT'S ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH FIVE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH FIVE TO AMEND CHAPTER, CHAPTER 23.2 CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREAS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
YORK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, MR. SHEPHERD? YES.
[7. Proposed Amendments to Section 19-6 of the York County Code - Overgrowth of Shrubs, Trees, and Other Such Vegetation. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 25-6 to amend Section 19-6, Maintenance of Premises; Duty of Owner, within Chapter 19, Solid Waste, Garbage, and Weeds of the York County Code to incorporate provisions for cutting overgrown shrubs, trees, and other such vegetation. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-6 ]
THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER, WHATEVER, UH, YORK COUNTY CODE AMENDMENTS OVERGROWTH OF, OF SHRUBS, TREES, AND OTHER VEGETATION.BUT I'M GOING ASK FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS BECAUSE, UH, MR. DREW IS NOT PRESENT AND HE'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THE MATTER TO THE BOARD.
ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S DOWN HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, I, I AGREE.
I WANT, UH, THE WHOLE BOARD TO BE PRESENT DURING THIS, AND IT'S ON THE AGENDA NOW.
UH, I DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO GO WITH IT.
UH, SO GET THE, GET THE, LET'S GET THE ON THE CALENDAR.
LET'S JUST, LET'S ADDRESS, I GOT SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE ON IT, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET IT.
SO LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? IT.
I LIVE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT.
UH, I HAD ASKED MR. RONE A QUESTION, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IT ANYWAY.
AND THE ONLY WAY IT'S EVER ADDRESSED IS ONE OR TWO TIMES A YEAR, VDOT COMES IN,
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CUTS THE MESS DOWN, LET IT ACCUMULATE, UH, YOU KNOW, A SEVEN FOOT TREEI MEAN, NOT GREATLY BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT DOES FLOOD.
UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THAT PART OF IT AS WELL? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, I CAN'T USE THAT WORD.
UM, WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN ELLA TAYLOR LOOKS HORRIBLE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DO NOT MAINTAIN IT.
WHO PROPERTY WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS OURS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT IS FAR.
WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THE STATE WHAT TO DO.
NO, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING ABOUT IT.
BUT, BUT, BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ON, ON, ON MY PROPERTY.
SO DOES THIS ORDINANCE COVER THE ENTIRE FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, OR DOES IT STOP AT THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE
NO, IN MOST SITUATIONS WE'RE GONNA MOW TO THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
I MEAN, IF WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING INTO A SITUATION.
I MEAN, WHEN WE MOW GRASS, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T STOP LIKE TWO FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THEY MOW OUT TO THE, THE PAVEMENT RIGHT AWAY.
SO WHAT, WHO'S THIS, WHO, WHO DO YOU THINK DOES THIS? WHENEVER WE DO GRASS VIOLATIONS, WE MEAN WHAT THE COUNTY RIGHT? THE COUNTY.
BUT WE DON'T MOW ALL THE ROADS IN THE COUNTY.
WE, WE DO, WE DO DO SOME IMPORTANT POINT HERE.
I MEAN, ACROSS THE GRASS ROAD MAINTENANCE.
NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF THERE IS A VIOLATION ACCORDING TO THIS YEAH.
WHATEVER WE PASS HERE IS NOT GONNA RESPOND, NOT GONNA RESTRICT VDOT AT ALL.
IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF VDOT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS FOR ME, IS IF THE OVERGROWTH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY, THIS IS ONLY SAFETY RELATED, SO SOME, I KNOW THAT THIS, THAT OVERGROWTH WOULD HAVE TO MEET ONE OF THE FOUR CRITERIA OF, OF THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT, LIKE AN EGRESS INGRESS, CAN'T SEE THE, THE NUMERALS AND SO FORTH.
SO ASSUMING IT DOES ONE OF THOSE FOUR THINGS, IS THE OVERGROWTH IN THE RIGHT OF WAY INCLUDED IN SCOPE FOR THIS ORDINANCE? OR DOES THE ORDINANCE STOP AT WHERE THE RIGHT OF WAY BEGINS? TECHNICALLY, IT GOES TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT AS YOU SAID, IN MOST PROPERTIES, PEOPLE MOW OUT TO THE PAVEMENT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY, WHEN WE SEND OUR CONTRACTOR OUT THERE WOULD TELL THEM TO NOT MOW OUT TO THE PAVEMENT.
A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WE GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, AND I'VE SEEN SOME, SOME HOMEOWNERS HAVE JUST TAKEN IT.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT MOWING MY DITCH.
NOW, YOU CAN BE IN A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION THAT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA MOW YOUR FRONT YARD.
WELL, YOUR FRONT YARD IS WHERE THE VDOT LINE HITS.
AND IF YOU DON'T GO ACROSS THAT DITCH THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT IN VIOLATION.
YOU, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA RESTRICT VDOT.
AND I WANT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE.
YOU CALL VDOT AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF SAFETY.
SO YOU'RE BLOCKING A SIGN, YOU KNOW, SPEED LIMIT SIGN, OR YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE GRASS IS TOO HIGH, OR THE BUSHES ARE HIGH.
CALL VDOT, AND THEY'LL COME OUT THERE AND IF IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'LL CUT IT.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW THAT'S OPEN.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 17TH.
BUT COMMENT, WE CAN TAKE COMMENTS HERE, THOUGH, RIGHT NOW.
WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO COMMENT, SHEILA? YES.
WHAT NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO COMMENT THE BOARD? I JUST WANNA, I BRING, BE MY GUEST.
I WANNA BRING UP TWO POINTS, OKAY? YES, PLEASE.
UM, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE DO.
I MEAN, I, AND I'VE TALKED TO EARL ABOUT THIS AND I'VE TALKED TO THE, TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT IT, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT WAYNE'S HAVING IN HIS DISTRICT.
SOMEBODY WITH A PAIR OF SCISSORS CAN GO OUT THERE AND TRIM UP THE STUFF AND YOU'D STILL HAVE A MESS ON YOUR HANDS.
OKAY? THE, THE CONCERN THAT SEVERAL OF US HAVE VOICED HERE IS TAKING AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU WANT TO ENFORCE AND HAVE 'EM EITHER TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING, CLEAN IT UP, MAKE IT LIVABLE.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT STUFF LIKE THAT.
DO YOU? DON'T WANNA APPLY THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTY, ALRIGHT? BECAUSE NOT EVERY, THIS IS ONE SHOE DOESN'T FIT ALL HERE.
OKAY? SO WHAT I PROPOSE, AND I'VE TALKED TO WAYNE BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS IN A TEXT OR AN EMAIL IS,
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AND THAT WHERE'S THIS PROBLEM? SINGLE PROBLEM HAPPENING, IT'S HAPPENING IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.OKAY? AND WE HAVE CREATED A BOARD IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAT WE GIVE POWER TO THROUGH THE STATE.
WE COULD DO THIS IN HISTORICAL YORKTOWN AND DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FOR THE WHOLE COUNTY.
SO JUST TO BE PART OF THE HOMEOWNER RULES, IF YOU WILL, THE ARCHITECTURAL RULES, IF YOU WILL, FOR JUSTICE, THIS DISTRICT.
AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT IT, THE, UH, AS, AS THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THEY'RE NOODLING THIS, THIS, UH, ISSUE.
NOW, THE OTHER PART, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, IS THAT YOU THINK OF THE DENSE, THE DIS DENSITY OF A, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IF, IF, UM, IF WE WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT HAS EFFECTS, DON'T WANT ANYTHING, UH, OF TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO CUT THEIR SHRUBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN WHAT YOU DO IS YOU MAKE A, YOU LOOK AT THE DENSITY AND YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF ANOTHER HOUSE AND YOUR PLACE IS A DUMP, AND IT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE IT HAS ANIMALS, IT COULD BE VAGRANTS, IT COULD BE, COULD BE A NEW ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, COULD PLAY TO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND THEN YOU COULD APPLY THAT.
OKAY? THAT WOULD NOT APPLY TO EVERYTHING IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE HAVE R 20.
WE HAVE, WE CAN'T CHERRY PICK.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
SHEILA, LISTEN, I'M TALKING HERE.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU APPLY THE LAWS THAT YOU HAVE, OKAY? BUT YOU DON'T TAKE A, A TAKE APPROACH AND YOU SPREAD IT ALL OVER THE COUNTY WHEN YOU CAN SOLVE A SIMPLE PROBLEM THAT'S HAPPENING IN ONE PART OF THE COUNTY.
AND IF YOU CAN ADDRESS IT, DO SO AND DON'T CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY IN THE, EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO USE THIS, I DON'T WANNA USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT I HAVE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS CALLING THE COUNTY NOW TO ENFORCE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION RULES ON SHRUBBERY.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM LIKE THIS AND WAYNE'S GOT A PROBLEM AND HIS DISTRICT THAT HIS PEOPLE WANT TO GET SOLVED, THEN APPLY IT THAT WAY.
SO I'VE ASKED, I'VE ASKED THE, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEY, I GUESS THEY CAN COME BACK AND TELL US AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING IN JULY 15TH.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL TO CONTINUE IT? DON'T WE? DON'T WE NEED TO DO THAT MOTION? YOU NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE? YES.
MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO CONTINUE THE PROCEEDING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 25 DASH SIX TO THE NEXT MEETING ON JULY 15TH, 2025.
[8. Extension and Amendment of Tower Lease. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-71 to execute an agreement with T-Mobile Northeast, LLC, for the amendment and extension of an existing tower lease at 9300 George Washington Memorial Highway, Yorktown, Virginia. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Proposed Resolution R25-71]
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE EXTENSION AMENDMENT OF A TOWER LEASE AGREEMENT.UH, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO LOOK AT AN EXTENSION AND AMENDMENT OF A TOWER LEASE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE, UH, YORK COUNTY LEASED FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, FOR 100 YEARS.
UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 9,300 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, WHICH IS YORK HIGH SCHOOL.
WE BUILT A TOWER THERE FOR OUR MERCHANT COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
IT'S 400 FEET TALL AND WE HAVE BEEN LEASING SPACE ON IT SINCE WE BUILT IN 2003.
THESE CONTRACTS COME UP, NAMES OF COMPANIES CHANGE AND SO ON.
BUT THE ONE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED TO OMNI POINT COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS NOW CHANGED OVER TO T-MOBILE.
UH, THEY'RE UP AND OPERATING THERE.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR NO ADDITIONAL GROUND SPACE.
IT'S A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO OUR EXISTING TOWER LEASE.
AND IT WILL BE GENERATING, UH, ANNUALLY $26,400.
AND, UH, WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I'LL MOVE R 25 71.
RESOLUTION, WE JUST, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RONE IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 25 DASH 71 TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH T-MOBILE FOR THE AMENDMENT AND EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING TOWER LEASE AT 9,300 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
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YORKTOWN.[9. Tower Lease Agreement. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R25-72 authorizing the County Administrator to execute agreements with Cellco Partnership D/B/A Verizon Wireless, for a tower lease agreement at 4411 Big Bethel Road, Yorktown, Virginia. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Proposed Resolution R25-72]
MR. HALL, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE NEXT ONE.THE NEXT ONE IS A TOWER LEASE AGREEMENT.
UH, THE TOWER THAT'S LOCATED AT FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 44 11 BIG BETHEL ROAD, HAS BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
AT THE END OF 20 YEARS, THE TOWER BECAME PROPERTY OF YORK COUNTY WHEN PRIME CO PCS PRIME CO THAT WAS, UH, LOCATED IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA, UH, EITHER CONSOLIDATED OR WENT UNDER, IT WAS A PCS PROVIDER BACK IN THE NEXT HELL DAYS.
AND THEY CONSOLIDATED WITH ANOTHER COMPANY.
AND, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT THERE.
THIS IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONTRACT FOR VERIZON WIRELESS.
IT'S GONNA BACKFILL INTO A DEAD AREA THAT VERIZON HAS THERE AND ENHANCE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS FOR EVERYONE WHO LIVES THERE, BOTH CELLULAR AND BROADBAND.
AND THE TERM OF THIS CONTRACT IS FIVE YEARS.
YOU'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST WE WOULD BRING 5, 10, 15, AND 20 YEAR CONTRACTS.
VERIZON IS IN THE PROCESS OF, OF, UM, REESTABLISHING HOW THEY DO THEIR CONTRACTS.
SEVERAL CELLULAR COMPANIES ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
SO THIS IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT AT WHICH TIME WE WILL RENEGOTIATE ANOTHER CONTRACT.
UH, COMPANIES TYPICALLY DO THIS IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT FARMING OUT TO SOMEBODY TO MANAGE THEIR PROPERTIES FOR 'EM, OR THEY'RE LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING SERVICES, WHETHER, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT VERIZON'S GOING AWAY, IT JUST MEANS THAT IT COULD BE A NAME CHANGE OR MM-HMM
THEY MAY HAVE ANOTHER PLAN THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP TWO OTHER TOWERS THAT ARE GONNA BACKFILL THAT.
SO THIS, UH, CONTRACT IS FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE STARTING OFF AT, UH, $25,000 ANNUALLY.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DO ONE QUESTION, TERRY.
WHY WOULD WE, UM, CHARGE ONE COMPANY 26,400 WITH 2% PER YEAR INCREASE AND THE OTHER ONE GETS A $25,000? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE TOWER.
REAL ESTATE HEIGHT IS EVERYTHING.
THE OTHER THING IS YOUR GROUND SPACE.
SOME PEOPLE WILL BRING IN GENERATORS, SOME PEOPLE WILL USE A BUILDING.
SOME PEOPLE WILL USE OUTSIDE RACKS TO PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT IN.
SO IT'S CALCULATED BASED ON THEIR HEIGHT, THE SIZE OF TRANSMISSION LINE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THE TOWER, AND HOW MUCH GROUND SPACE THEY NEED.
AND I PRESUME IN THESE TWO CASES WE'VE JUST REVIEWED IT, IT DIFFERS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK? SEE NOBODY.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE VOID? I'LL MOVE R 25 72.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'LL CALL PLEASE.
A MOTION MADE BY MR. ROH IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
R 25 DASH 72 AUTHORIZING THE EXTENSION OF AGREEMENTS WITH SELCO PARTNERSHIPS FOR A TOWER LEASE AGREEMENT AT 44 11.
THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS LISTED, SO I THINK WE'RE
[CLOSED MEETING ]
NOW GONNA MOVE INTO CLOSED MEETING.MR. ROY WILL CALL IN PER IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 SORRY.
3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND ALSO PERFORMANCE DISCUSSION.
UH, WE'RE ADJOURNED TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE HELD ON AT 6:00 PM ON JULY 15TH, 2025 IN THE BOARD ROOM AT YOUR CALL.