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          AM 
          [Call to Order]
I ON ? I'M LOOKING AT MY BACK. 
          GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE JUNE 3RD MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MR. ROY. 
          HERE. 
          MRS. NOEL. 
          HERE. 
          MR. ERY. 
          PRESENT. 
          MR. ROAD. 
          HERE. 
          MR. SHEPHERD. 
          HERE. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WE 
          [ 1* Overgrowth Amendments. Presentation by Caitlin Aubut, Acting Principal Planner. ]
HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE ABOUT THE OVERGROWTH AMENDMENTS. 
          AND I KNOW KAILYN'S GONNA DO THAT. 
          OH, YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE ME. 
          MS. KAITLYN TOO. 
          MS. KAITLYN TOO. 
          . 
          SO YOU GET TO DEFER ALL THE HARD QUESTIONS, . 
          IT'S COMPLETELY POSSIBLE. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST GRABBING THE, WE'RE JUST GRABBING THE TEXTILE SO YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK IT PUT IN SMALLER AND SMALLER. 
          WELL, BECAUSE IT'S, AND IT DOESN'T HELP THAT IT'S WAY OVER THERE TOO, . 
          NO, IT DOES NOT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT IT UP AND RUNNING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THE OVERGROWTH A MOMENTS. 
          THESE WERE FIRST DISCUSSED IF WE CALL BACK ON THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING AT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THEN AFTER SOME DISCUSSION THAT GOT CONTINUED TO THIS WORK SESSION. 
          WHAT I DID HERE, I'M GOING THROUGH THE ACTUAL TEXT OF WHAT'S PROPOSED AND THEN KIND OF REVISITING THAT TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT BIT BY BIT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD. 
          NOW, THIS FOCUS AROUND CUTTING AND REMOVING WHAT WE'RE DEFINING AS OVERGROWTH. 
          SO IT'S THIS DEFINITION OF OVERGROWN SHRUBS, TREES, NOXIOUS WEEDS, AND IVY KIND OF GROUPED TOGETHER FOR WHAT, WHEN QUANTIFY REMOVAL, WE PROPOSE VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR REMOVING OVERGROWTH. 
          SO IF IT OBSTRUCTS THE VIEW OF ADDRESS NUMERALS ON THE BUILDING OR MAILBOXES, IF IT'S OBSTRUCTING PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          SO YOU CAN'T DRIVE, YOU CAN'T SEE THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC. 
          OR IF YOU'RE EXITING YOUR DRIVEWAY AND IT'S GROWN UP TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T GET OUT SAFELY. 
          AND THEN IF IT'S OBSTRUCTING INGRESS OR EGRESS FROM A BUILDING, AND IT WOULD PREVENT EMERGENCY RESPONSE FROM GETTING INTO THE BUILDING AT EITHER WINDOWS OR DOORS OR PATH TO THOSE PLACES. 
          AND THEN IF IT'S ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GROWING INTO THE WINDOWS OR THE DOORS ARE GROWING INTO THE BUILDING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S DAMAGING THE BUILDING, OR IF, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IVY CAN GROW INTO A BUILDING WHERE IT DAMAGES IT AS WELL. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OCCURRING FOR THE COUNTY TO ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          AND THEN THIS WAS JUST KIND OF, AGAIN, FURTHER LANGUAGE WE PROPOSED. 
          SO WE PROVIDE A ONE WRITTEN NOTICE OF VIOLATION ANNUALLY RUNNING SEVEN DAYS TO CORRECT. 
          THAT'S TAKEN FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE FOR GRASS. 
          I MENTIONED THAT SINGLE NOTICE. 
          THIS IS AGAIN, KIND OF COPIED FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY DONE FOR GRASS. 
          SO WE ISSUE THAT INITIAL NOTICE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          IF THERE'S SUBSEQUENT VIOLATIONS, THE ACTION TO AB OBEY CAN BE TAKEN AUTOMATICALLY IN THAT YEAR. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THOSE CIVIL PENALTIES. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS ALSO MIRRORING GRASS. 
          AND WHAT'S ALSO AFFORDED TO US IN THE STATE CODE, AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF, AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S DONE FOR GRASS, BUT IF AN ISSUE VIOLATION WAS NOTICED, THIS IS KIND OF THAT PROCESS EITHER WOULD FOLLOW. 
          SO YOU WOULD ISSUE THE VIOLATION. 
          YOU GET THIS PERIOD TO ABATE IF YOU FAIL TO CUT OR REMOVE VEGETATION. 
          YES. 
          MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS A LITTLE BIT RETURN OURSELVES INTO POLICEMEN. 
          WHO'S GONNA GO AROUND AND CHECK TO SEE WHEN, WHEN IS THIS TRIGGERED? THIS WOULD BE COMPLAINT BASED, LIKE ALL JUST COMPLAINT BASED BY THE NEIGHBOR OR SOMEBODY, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WHOEVER, WHOEVER WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. 
          WE UHHUH DON'T HAVE CRITERIA. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT STOPS AT THAT, UH, LAST LINE IN TERMS OF FINES, WHAT'S BEYOND THAT? UH, THE PROBLEM I'M LOOKING AT IS NOT JUST AN OVERGROWN YARD, BUT A DILAPIDATED BUILDING. 
          AND WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY GET IN AND DEMOLISH? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE. 
          AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM 
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FOR THAT ONE. 
          WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS. 
          SEPARATE, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY JUST TAKING CARE OF THE VEGETATIVE GROUP. 
          THE ACTUAL BUILDING WOULD BE MONITORED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. 
          SO IF IT'S AN UNSAFE BUILDING AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL COULD TAKE ACTIONS UNDER THE BUILDING CODE TO, WE'LL SEE HOW THEY'RE UNRELATED. 
          GENERALLY, IF IT'S THAT MUCH, UH, VEGETATION ON THE PROPERTY, THERE'S USUALLY BUILDING DAMAGE AS WELL. 
          AND THERE COULD BE, I MEAN THIS, THIS WOULD ADDRESS IT. 
          IF THEY ARE GROWING INTO THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING OF THAT, WE COULD CUT IT BACK AND THEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL COULD GET IN THERE AND, AND MONITOR THE BUILDING ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE. 
          AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT'S ALREADY A PROCESS IN THE BOOKS, RIGHT? NOW'S PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A BUILDING THAT'S NOT SAFE, THEN THE BUILDING COULD OFFICIAL, COULD TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          COMPLAINT BASED. 
          ALL OF IT IS COMPLAINT BASED. 
          CORRECT. 
          I JUST REMEMBER THE SITUATION I HAD ON MIDDLETOWN FARMS. EVENTUALLY WE GOT THE OWNER TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS YEARS OF EFFORT TO TRY AND GET TO THAT POINT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT TAKES, IT DOES TAKE TIME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SEEMS TO ME WE NEED TEETH IN THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, RATHER THAN OVERGROWN BUSHES MAYBE ABOUT. 
          SO, MR. UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS, SO I PREPARED SOME JUST KIND OF TO, TO TALK THROUGH THOSE POINTS THAT YOU RAISED. 
          SO TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION YOU RAISED ABOUT ADDRESS NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, OKAY. 
          THE VEGETATION'S GROWING UP AROUND THE ADDRESS NUMBERS. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER CODE SECTION 2035. 
          MY, OUR ZONING STAFF ENFORCES THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. 
          AND SO THAT REALLY SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ADDRESS NUMEROUS THAT ARE VISIBLE IN FIRE LIFE SAFETY. 
          AND THEY DO ENFORCE THAT ACTUALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I KNOW ABOUT THE SEVEN DAYS. 
          SO WHERE THAT KIND OF COMES FROM. 
          UM, IN 2018, THE BOARD ACTUALLY, IT USED TO BE 15 DAYS FOR GRASS. 
          SO YOU'D ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, GIVE A 15 DAY PERIOD. 
          IT BECAUSE OF HOW QUICKLY GRASS GROWS. 
          AND SO TO ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, OUR ALREADY HAS GRASS, ALREADY HAS TO BE AT 12 INCHES. 
          SO WHAT THEY KIND OF SAW WAS IT ISSUE THE NOTICE THE 15 DAY PERIOD WOULD PASS, AND BY THE TIME THEY WERE AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE LIKE TWO OR THREE FEET. 
          AND SO THE BOARD SHORTENED THAT TO SEVEN DAYS. 
          AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT SAME ACTION ADDRESS, THE ONE NOTICE PER YEAR. 
          'CAUSE WHAT THEY KIND OF SAW WAS THERE'S THESE REPEAT OFFENDERS, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE GRASS SITUATION. 
          SO THAT PREVENTED THEM FROM HAVING THE COST OF HAVING TO SEND NOTICES BY CERTIFIED MAIL, LIKE MM-HMM . 
          15 TIMES A YEAR. 
          IF YOU HAVE THIS REPEAT SITUATION, YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, OKAY, WE CAN SEND THE CONTRACTOR OUT AND MOW PUT A LIEN, SEND THEM BILL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'LL KIND OF HIT THESE ONE AT A TIMES. 
          WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. 
          SO SEVEN DAYS AND YOU CAN EASILY BE AWAY ON VACATION, OUT ON BUSINESS, GET A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, DON'T RECEIVE IT TILL YOU GET BACK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COME TO FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE IN VIOLATION, YOU'VE BEEN FINED, AND MAYBE NOW YOU OWED A BILL FOR HAVING A CONTRACT TO COME BACK AND CUT YOUR GRASS FOR YOU WHERE YOU COULD, UH, CUT IT YOURSELF. 
          BUT YOU, YOU WERE AWAY. 
          YOU OR YOU HAVE A SERVICE MEMBER WHO DEPLOYMENT, HE'S ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER IN THE MEDITERRANEAN FOR NINE MONTHS. 
          WE, WE GONNA BUS THESE PEOPLE. 
          THEY CUT THEIR CUT, GET THEIR GRASS CUT, OR THEY COULDN DO WHEN THEY GOT BACK. 
          SO, AND A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT'S, WE'RE BEING A BIT TOO INVASIVE. 
          AND IF WE'RE, AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, AND I AGREE, AS I SAID IN MY NOTE, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY AS BEST WE CAN, BUT IT'S 13 INCHES OF GRASS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          IS THAT A SAFETY ISSUE? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT IS. 
          SO, UM, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE, IF THE VEGETATION IS TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE BARIT AND CRITTERS AND INFESTATION, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          'CAUSE THAT, THAT WILL BLEED OVER INTO NEIGHBORING YARDS. 
          BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE 13 INCHES OF GRASS IS A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          SO YEAH, WE ACTUALLY, I TALKED TO OUR ZONING STAFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF GET THEIR PERSPECTIVE SINCE THEY DO THAT DAY-TO-DAY ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, UH, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING ABOUT THE GRASS REALLY PARTICULARLY HERE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN IT RISES TO A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY'S CALLING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT IT, IT'S AT SUCH A HEIGHT THAT THERE'S OTHER ISSUES GOING ON WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS LIVING IN THE GRASS. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK VERY NICE. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO IT, IT DOES TO THEY, THEY'VE TOLD ME IT KIND OF DOES. 
          CAUSE A BIT OF, IT CAN CAUSE A, A BIT OF A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE. 
          'CAUSE YOU GET RODENTS AND THINGS. 
          UM, SO, SO THEN, SO THEN THE ORDINANCE TO STIPULATE AND, AND ADDRESS THAT, NOT JUST YOUR GRASS IS TOO HIGH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SPEAKING. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT GRASS SPECIFICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, I MEAN, YEAH, GRASS IS ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE GRASS ORDINANCE. 
          WE WERE JUST AT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION. 
          WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD CONTROL OVERGROWTH OF VEGETATION ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE GRASS SECTION BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY IN 
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PLACE AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          UM, SO WE WERE JUST REALLY LOOKING AT THE OVERGROWTH PIECE. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE GRASS, I MEAN, WE CAN BRING SOMETHING FORWARD ABOUT THAT. 
          AND AS, AND AS I MENTIONED IN MY MESSAGE, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF WHAT I'M ADDRESSING WAS ALREADY IN THE EXISTING ORDINANCE. 
          BUT, SO IF WE'VE OPENED THAT BACK UP AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, IT SHOULD ALL BE ABOUT SAFETY OR WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET INTO IT. 
          WE SHOULDN'T JUST CHANGE IT. 
          WE SHOULD MAKE IT APPLICABLE TO WRITE WHILE WE'RE AT IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES, AT LEAST I RAN INTO THIS YEARS AGO, THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE GRASS BEING SO TALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE LOOKS OF IT AND IT DIMINISHED THEIR HOME NEXT DOOR. 
          SO THAT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A AESTHETIC ISSUE AS WELL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANY BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN THE AESTHETIC ISSUES OF PROPER PROPERTY. 
          BUT WE HAVE SET, WE'VE SET THE RULES ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND AS THEY'VE SET RABBITS IN OTHER STUFF, THAT'S NOT AESTHETIC. 
          THAT LONG GRASS, THAT'S NOT AESTHETIC. 
          THAT BECAUSE OF THESE A BOMB INFESTATION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT AESTHETIC. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN AND WORK WITH GRASS. 
          WHAT'S THAT? . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID ON A MESSAGE, I JUST, I'M FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED IN AESTHETIC ASPECTS OF PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS BEING IN THERE. 
          AND I, AND SAFETY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF SOMETHING'S HAPPENING WHERE IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, YEAH, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE INVOLVED THERE. 
          BUT IF IT'S JUST, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANY BUSINESS COMING IN THERE AND ENFORCING SOMETHING ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY. 
          PROPERTY HOAS EXIST FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. 
          THEY WANT TO HAVE VERY STRUCTURED, UNDERSTAND THAT, HEY, HERE ARE THE RULES. 
          HERE'S WHAT, WHAT I CAN EXPECT LIVING IN THERE. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF HO 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THAT RESTRICTED ENVIRONMENT. 
          I, I'M ONE OF 'EM. 
          I LIVED IN A RESTRICTIVE HOA IN MY FIRST HOME. 
          I WON'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          , THE NEXT HOI LIVE IN WILL BE WHEN I'M IN THE GRAVEYARD BURIED IN ONE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, AND AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, I DON'T CARE HOW THEY KEEP IT UP. 
          YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING YOU THINK ABOUT IS A TALL GRASSES A FIRE ISSUE AS WELL. 
          GREEN GRASS DOESN'T, DOESN'T BURN SO WELL, BUT IT'S A DEAD, IT'S THE DEAD GRASS UNDERNEATH THE GREEN GRASS THAT GROWS UP. 
          AND WE RAN INTO THAT ISSUE AND CAME IN HILL CREEK. 
          WE HAVE FIRES IN THE BACK. 
          SO GRASS THAT WASN'T CUT. 
          SO MRS. GO AS, UH, MR. ANDERSON POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE HERE TO DO WAS LOOK AT OVERGROWTH OF TREE TREES, SHRUBS, AND OTHER SUCH VEGETATION WHERE THE GRASS, IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO GRASS, WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON THAT. 
          NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THIS IS WHAT WE CAME TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AT, UH, ONE OF YOUR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UH, BEHEST. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, SO THE STIPULATIONS IS IF IT'S IMPEDING ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. 
          SO FIRST RESPONDERS CAN'T SLEEP TO GET IN THERE. 
          ALRIGHT? YOU'RE COVERING UP THE NUMERALS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO SOMEONE'S IN VIOLATION, YOU LET THEM NOTICE THAT YOU'RE IN VIOLATION AND THEY TAKE THEIR PRUNERS AND CUT THE ONE BRANCH. 
          AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS. 
          PROBABLY STILL GONNA GET A CALL BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE, NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED. 
          BUT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE OF THE REGULATION. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN UP MEAN IF IT, IF THEY WERE CITED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T SEE THEIR ADDRESS, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CUT IT SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF IT'S THE INGRESS EGRESS THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RIGHT. 
          SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THE DOORS AND WINDOWS AND SO FORTH. 
          RIGHT? ONE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS WE'RE KINDA LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SANITARY ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE, WE SEND SOMEBODY A NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND THEY GO, AND THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WE'RE HOPING FOR IS THEY GO, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND I'LL FIX IT OR I'LL GET IT FIXED. 
          BUT THERE'S ANOTHER EXTREME TO THAT WHERE SOMEONE HAS, DON'T, THEY DON'T CARE. 
          THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO ADDRESS IT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO. 
          AND THEY MAY COME OUT ONE DAY AND FIND A, FIND A CONTRACTOR UP ON THEIR FRONT STRETCH FROM STEPS CUTTING BACK THIS RUBBERY. 
          THEY MAY NOT RESPOND TO THAT VERY FAVORABLY. 
          THEY MAY RESPOND TO THAT VERY AGGRESSIVELY. 
          NOW WE'RE GONNA START ROLLING THAT SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, EVERY TIME WE, WE SEND SOMEBODY OUT TO THOSE LOCATIONS TO IT, IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, WE'RE WE'RE GOING AT A BAD SPOT HERE. 
          MOST OF THE TIME IT'S, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE THESE ARE, ARE NOT INHABITED OR THEY'RE WITH PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T COME OUT VERY OFTEN AND THEY DON'T, OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, SITUATIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY TRIES TO WORK THE ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF WORK VERY DILIGENTLY WITH ANYONE WHO'S IN VIOLATION TO TRY TO HELP THEM GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND A CONTRACTOR OUT. 
          AND THEY WORK WITH THEM OVER MULTIPLE WEEKS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SAYS SEVEN DAYS. 
          BUT WE CONTACT THEM AND, AND TRY TO WORK WITH 'EM AS BEST WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          I SAY, 
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BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T SAY THAT. 
          ORDINANCE SAYS YOU'RE IN VIOLATION, YOU GET A NOTICE. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU. 
          WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU. 
          WE'LL TRY TO GET TO A HAPPY SPACE. 
          IT SAYS YOU'RE IN VIOLATION, YOU GET A NOTICE, YOU GOT SEVEN DAYS TO FIX IT. 
          IT'S VERY BLACK AND WHITE. 
          SO AS CAITLYN SHARED WITH OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE GRA CUTTING THE GRASS, I MEAN WE, WE DO THE, THE ZONING STAFF WORKS WITH PEOPLE AND THEY KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES EVERY SUMMER WHERE WE KNOW WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR'S GONNA GO OUT THERE JUST BECAUSE THE PEOPLE JUST, WE, WE DON'T CARE. 
          THEY DON'T CARE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOW IT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST GET THE BILL BY THE TREASURER. 
          THEY EITHER PAY IT OR IT GOES ON THE PROPERTY EVENTUALLY. 
          BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY'LL, WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY MOST OF THE TIME, BUT SOME PEOPLE PAY IT AND THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY TO GO OUT THERE. 
          AND THE, AND I I KNOW WE RUN AN ISSUE WITH ABANDONED PROPERTY THAT IS ABANDONED. 
          OH. 
          BUT EVEN HOUSES SOME STUFF WE'VE HAD TO, WE'VE HAD TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF SOME STUFF, BUT RIGHT. 
          I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OCCUPIED PROPERTY WHERE SOMEBODY'S MADE A CONSTANT DECISION. 
          LIKE I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT LIKE IT IS. 
          AND I DON'T NEED THE GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND TELLING ME MY S SCRUBS ARE TOO BIG. 
          AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT MM-HMM . 
          AND WE TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON THOSE SITUATIONS AS BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES END UP THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE YES, THE, A DEPUTY HAS TO COME OUT AND BE OUT THERE ON SITE WHILE THE WORK IS BEING DONE. 
          SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS GONNA CONTACT US, SAY THEY NEED MORE SHERIFF DEPUTIES FOR  SAYS, THIS IS GONNA COST US MONEY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENS THAT OFTEN. 
          . 
          SO, SO THE ORDINANCE SHOULD REFLECT THAT WE, THAT WE WILL WORK AND THAT THIS IS THE FINAL STEP, IS THE ISSUE OF VIOLATION AND, AND SO FORTH. 
          AND NOT JUST HARD HIT RIGHT FROM RIGHT FROM THE RIGHT UNDER THE GATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'LL SAY THAT WE, WE TRY TO WORK WITH PEOPLE KIND OF ON A, NOT ON A CODIFIED SECTION BECAUSE THE LAW IS THE LAW. 
          AND YES, WE CAN, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE IT. 
          BUT WE TRA WE TAKE A VERY CUSTOMER FRIENDLY APPROACH WHEN WE'RE ENFORCING THINGS. 
          AND IF WE, BUT I MEAN, IT STILL HAS TO BE CODIFIED THE RIGHT WAY. 
          AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF RICHARD WANTS TO WEIGH IN HERE, BUT I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT WAS KIND OF WISHY-WASHY. 
          WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT AT THAT STAGE. 
          AND SO I THINK OUR APPROACH OF BEING VERY CUSTOMER FRIENDLY AND, AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          WHICH IS THE RIGHT APPROACH. 
          REMEMBER THIS IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY IS CALLING IN EXPECTING YOU TO DO SOMETHING. 
          RIGHT NOW THE CODE SAYS YOU GOTTA ISSUE A VIOLATION AND IN SEVEN DAYS THEY GOTTA FIX IT. 
          YES. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY IT'LL START A PROCESS WHERE YOU TRY TO GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN IT WILL END UP IN THAT STATE IF THEY HAVE TO. 
          AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO THAT ALSO. 
          AND WE, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM IN ADDITION TO SAY THAT WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO GET IT DONE. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE HARD, HARSHER AND QUICKER WITH THINGS. 
          BUT MOST OF THE TIME WE DO TRY TO WORK WITH EVERYONE THAT'S INVOLVED. 
          WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO DO THE WORK THEMSELVES AND FINANCIALLY INCAPABLE OF PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO IT? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE WE'RE PUTTING THE COUNTY IN A SPOT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO FORCE IT TO GET DONE AND CHARGE SOMEBODY SOMETHING THEY CAN AFFORD AND PUT A LIEN ON THEIR HOME. 
          AND THEN EVERY SIX MONTHS, EVERY YEAR, HOWEVER QUICKLY THIS DISRUPTS COME UP, WE'RE DOING TO THAT SAME PERSON. 
          AND I, AND I TALKED TO MR. ABBOTT AND, AND, AND HOUSING ASKING, HEY, DO WE HAVE SOME GRANT PROGRAMS? ARE THERE SOME AVENUES WHERE WE CAN AVOID THAT? AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS OUT THERE. 
          ALSO SPOKE WITH MY PASTOR BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE, AT OUR CHURCH, WE HAVE A HELPING HANDS, UH, GROUP AND ASKED HIM TO SAY, HEY LISTEN, CAN YOU PARTNER WITH SOME OF YOUR PEERS TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A NETWORK ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT MR. ABBOTT CAN CALL UPON? SO SOME OF THAT MAY BE COVERED, BUT I I, THAT WILL EVER BE IT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT'S MADE UP OF SOCIAL SERVICES, ZONING, CODE ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY AND SOME OTHER AGENCIES THAT WHEN WE RUN INTO THESE ISSUES WITH HOARDERS, MAINLY, UM, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM AND GET THEM THE ASSISTANCE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR TO GET THESE SERVICES DONE FOR THEM. 
          UM, BUT SO YEAH, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH, WITH THE PEOPLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO HELP THEM GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN A FEW CASES THAT I'M AWARE OF WHERE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO JUST DID NOT COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY DIDN'T COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY GOT EVERYTHING THAT CAME TO THEM AND THEY DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TRASH AND DEBRIS IN THEIR YARD, YOU KNOW, TRASH AND THEN THEIR HOME IS FULL OF THINGS. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS OF KIND OF WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO TRY TO HELP OUT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO, TO WORK WITH ABBOTT AND HIS GROUP TO KIND OF CREATE THAT HELPING HANDS KIND OF THING. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN AMAZING PIECE TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YOU WANT IT TO BE CODIFIED, BUT ALSO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WORK WITH PEOPLE AND I THINK WE, WE TRY TO DO THAT, UM, 
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IN A, IN A NON, YOU KNOW, HARSH WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN, IS EVER BEEN SOMEBODY WE'VE JUST LIKE GONE AFTER AND NOT GIVEN THEM ANY ROOM TO TRY TO, TO DO THINGS. 
          BECAUSE EVEN IF WE TAKE 'EM TO COURT, THE JUDGE IS GOING TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO SETTLE IT ALSO. 
          NOW THEY GOTTA MAKE COURT COSTS. 
          HOW MANY CASES DO WE RUN INTO FOR THIS ANNUALLY FOR ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA? I THINK I HAVE THE NUMBER ACTUALLY HERE FOR GRASS WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CUT SOMEBODY'S GRASS. 
          WELL, I MEAN, YOU GET THE COMPLAINTS IN AND YOU HAVE TO RESOLVE THEM. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS, MAY I ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE, UM, SEVEN DAY NOTICE? YES, YOU MAY, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING A HUNDRED. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED VIOLATIONS A YEAR FOR TALL GRASS. 
          IT'S FOR TALL GRASS. 
          WHAT ABOUT, WE ACTUALLY MOW ONLY ABOUT 16. 
          ABOUT 16 OF THOSE TALL GRASS VIOLATIONS. 
          SO MOST PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION. 
          AND THEY'RE A A FEW WHERE WE HAVE TO SEND TO THE CONTRACTOR OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE EVEN LESS WITH THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OVERGROWN TREES AND SHRUBS MOST OF THE TIME. 
          AND GRASS IS STANDARD COMPLAIN. 
          THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          AND THEN, THEN WHY IS IT THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THEN? IT'S ISSUE. 
          IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS BY THE BOARD THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO TAKE. 
          I DIDN'T BRING IT UP. 
          WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE SOLVING? GO AHEAD RICK. 
          ANYWAY, YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS TO THE POINT OF THE SEVEN DAYS, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT MANDATE ANY SPECIFIC TIME THAT THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION HAS TO BE SENT. 
          YOU HAVE SEVEN DAYS FROM WHEN IT'S SENT. 
          YES. 
          SO BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, SENT OR RECEIVED, SENT OR RECEIPT. 
          SEE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THERE TOO. 
          SAYS GLASSES ON. 
          UM, SOMETHING IN ORDINANCE ABOUT CERTIFIED LETTER REGISTERED MAIL. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO BUT THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY WASN'T THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS. 
          I MEAN, YOU THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          BUT WHAT I'M, THERE'S NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE A MANDATED TIME PERIOD AT WHICH YOU HAVE, AT WHICH THEY HAVE TO SEND THE NOTICE TO SOMEBODY. 
          SO THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY CAN DO, THEY CAN WAIT SIX MONTHS IN A YEAR AND IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE. 
          BUT THEY DON'T START GOING AFTER SOMEBODY UNTIL THEY BASICALLY EXHAUSTED ALL EFFORTS. 
          AND THE, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO START PUTTING EXPECTATIONS IN THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO EVER PROSECUTE A VIOLATION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE EVERY TIME. 
          WELL, THEY DIDN'T USE REASONABLE EFFORTS. 
          WELL, WHAT ARE YOUR REASONABLE EFFORTS? I MEAN, SO YOU, THE IT'S BUILT INTO THE DISCRETION OF THE AGENCY ALREADY TO WAIT, THAT'S JUST MY, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ON THAT. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          AND, AND AND THE DISCRETION AND HOW THAT DISCRETION IS EXERCISED IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE EMPLOYED AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE BOARD'S EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE DONE. 
          SO IT MAY BE THAT SOMEBODY DECIDES WE NEED TO START DOING THAT MORE QUICKLY OR WE NEED TO GIVE 'EM MORE TIME OR TAKE ADDITIONAL EFFORTS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, AND SOMETIMES IT'S A CASE BY CASE THING, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALREADY ALLOWS MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY. 
          I I, I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FROM AN EN, AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT TO ADD ADDITIONAL BENCHMARKS IN THERE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          I STILL THINK THE SEVEN, SEVEN DAYS IS, AGAIN, YOU CATCH SOMEBODY ON VACATION, THE CONTEXT OF OVERGROWTH, WE COULD EXTEND THAT TO 15 DAYS PERHAPS. 
          IF THAT'S A FEEL. 
          THAT'S, AND I WOULD SAY THAT AFTER WE HAVE VERIFIED THAT SOMEBODY HAS RECEIVED A VIOLATION, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, WE GOTTA KNOW THEY GOT IT. 
          OTHERWISE, I THINK ON THE OVERGROWTH, FOR ME, 30 DAYS IS FINE. 
          30 DAYS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S HAPPENED OVERNIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE GRASS OVERGROWTH HAS BEEN GOING, THIS OVERGROWTH COULD BE YEARS IN THE MAKING AND AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE VERY MANY OF THEM. 
          DOUG HAD ONE. 
          I'VE GOT ONE RIGHT NOW THAT I, I I GOT. 
          YEAH, I DO. 
          SO, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE EVERY TIME THE TURN AROUND SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORS GOT A TREE THAT'S OVERDRAWN. 
          AND I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT IF, IF YOU GOT TWO NEIGHBORS GOT A BEEF WITH ONE ANOTHER, , LET'S JUST USE, THERE'S YOUR POINT, OUR WORLD. 
          IT COULD BE WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          IT COULD BE ABSOLUTELY TOM. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I'LL GO BACK TO, WE FIRST SAW THIS, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE? WHAT, WHAT A PROBLEM ARE WE ADDRESSING? OKAY. 
          AND UM, THE THINGS THAT, UH, STEVE'S BRINGING UP, UH, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BIG PROPERTY, RIGHT GUY. 
          SO THE QUESTION IS WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE? OKAY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I THINK IT'S STILL UP HERE, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST FOUR OF THESE, THEY'RE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          LAST ONE. 
          NUMBER FIVE GETS MORE INTO AESTHETICS. 
          AESTHETICS, OKAY. 
          SO 
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I GO BACK TO AGAIN, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE? SAFETY ISSUES. 
          NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE NUMBERS ON HOUSES. 
          ONE, TO NOT ONLY JUST DELIVER MAIL, BUT SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THE, SOMEBODY'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND YOU GOTTA BE ABLE TO FIND IT. 
          RIGHT? AND, UM, THAT, THAT QUESTION'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER FOUR, THEY'RE ALSO PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOW THE ONLY PART OF THAT THAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH IS MOST OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED HERE IN THIS MANNER IS THAT WE ARE NOW APPLYING THEM TO DOMINION POWER, UH, VDOT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING VDOT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BUSHES IN YOUR RIGHT OF WAY THAT BLOCK THE SPEED, EXCUSE ME, THE TRAFFIC SIGNS OR ANY ANY SIGNS, UH, OR ACCESS A VISIBILITY FROM TRAFFIC, THEN YOU GOTTA COME BACK, GET IT CUT. 
          AND THAT JUST ENDS UP BEING A CALL. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND VDOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA FIND DOMINION POWER, I THINK. 
          I DON'T THINK WE CAN HR WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          DO SO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT KIND OF, THERE WOULD BE A RARE SITUATION WHERE I BET IT COULD HAPPEN. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A RARE SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MANY OF THOSE, THE FIRST FOUR THAT APPLY ACTUALLY TO A HOME THAT'S ON A PUBLIC ROAD. 
          NOW, YOU COULD APPLY TO A, I'LL GIVE A GREAT EXAMPLE, IS CHAD GREEN'S, UH, PROPERTY. 
          YES. 
          WHERE YOU HAVE A LANE THAT'S, THAT'S UH, BASICALLY PRIVATE LANE THAT'S SHARED PROPERTY WITH OUR SHARED LANE WITH OTHER, WITH OTHER HOMES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DOESN'T MAINTAIN IT, BUT YOU GOT GROWTH PL IT, IT IS ADDRESSED IN THERE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SPECULATING. 
          I SO THE QUESTION AGAIN IS WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE ADDRESSING? WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE ADDRESSING HERE? THE GRAPHS, I UNDERSTAND THE GRAPHS AND THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE GRAPHS. 
          AND IT'S INTERESTING, YOU TALK TO THE MOST HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS, THEY GET UPSET 'CAUSE IT'S THE AESTHETICS. 
          UM, BUT IT HAS IN THE PAST BEEN A PROBLEM WITH WILDLIFE LIVING IN THERE. 
          SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SNAKES IN THEIR, IN THEIR LAWN. 
          I MEAN, I'VE GONE ON A GOLF COURSE, SAW A GUY THE OTHER DAY, FREAK OUT OVER ABOUT A FOUR FOOT BLACK SNAKE IN, IN THE FAIRWAY. 
          AND SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN'T HANDLE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, AND, AND WE HAD A HOME IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THE CODE VIOLATIONS WERE SO BAD, THE BUILDING CODE WHERE THE HOUSE BACK OF THE HOUSE SEPARATED THE PORCH OR THE ROOM SEPARATED FROM THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY? AND THEN IT HAD RACCOONS AND POSSUMS ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE, THE HOMEOWNER DIDN'T LIVE THERE. 
          HE LIVED IN DC. 
          BUT ALL THIS IS TANGENTIAL TO THE ISSUE OF WHY, WHAT ARE WE ADDRESSING HERE? WELL, LET ME ADDRESS THAT FIRST. 
          NUMBER FIVE CAN BE A SAFETY THING FOR SURE. 
          UH, THE HOUSE IN MY DISTRICT HAS LIMBS AND VINES GROWING UP INTO THES THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN. 
          AND THERE'S SQUIRRELS AND MARIN IN THE HOUSE THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE HOUSE 50 ISH IS IT'S, IT'S THEIR, IT'S, IT'S JUST AS MUCH A NEIGHBORS IF THEY'VE GOT FARMIN AND LIVING IN A HOUSE IN A STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR TO THEIR HOUSE. 
          SO A GUY HAS A HA SHED LIVES IN A, A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND IT'S ELEVATED OFF THE FLOOR, OFF THE GROUND, AND A FOX COMES IN AND, AND OR A COYOTE AND HAS THIS LITTER UNDERNEATH THERE. 
          IS THAT A PUBLIC ISSUE? UH, IS THAT A SAFETY ISSUE? I WOULD THINK IT IS. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          BUT ARE WE GONNA GO OUT AND FIND HIM AND MAKE HIM GO OUT AND REMOVE THE FOX IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT CODE? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I, I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK HE'D CALL ANIMAL CONTROL. 
          ANIMAL CONTROL DOESN'T DEAL WITH WILDLIFE. 
          THEY ONLY DEAL WITH CATS AND DOGS. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT THEY'LL REMOVE BATS AND, UH, TREE SWALLOWS OR CHIMNEY SWIFTS AND DEER AND ANY OTHER ANIMAL. 
          THAT'S NOT A CO YOU BETTER BE SAYING YES OVER THERE. 
          YEAH, I KNOW HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD . 
          SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WILDLIFE OTHER, OTHER THAN THAT, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO, WELL, YOU GOTTA GO, UH, HAVE A RAT SNAKE OR A BLACK SNAKE PULLED OUTTA YOUR ROOF OR BECAUSE IT'S ABOVE YOUR KITCHEN AND YOUR WIFE'S FREAKING OUT. 
          SO , YOU GOT SQUIRREL OF THE ALLEY COST $1,200 TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AGAIN, I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE STU STUFF AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD THE PROBLEM DOWN THERE, BUT, AND THERE IS ONE, I'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S ONE DOMINION POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A LINE THAT RUNS ACROSS SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. 
          OKAY? AND THE OTHER, THE PERSON THAT CROSSES THE PROPERTY DOESN'T WANT ANYBODY COMING OUT THERE CUTTING THEIR TREES. 
          BUT THE LIMBS ON THE TREES ARE HITTING THE POWER LINE TO THAT OTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. 
          AND IT'S GETTING INTERMITTENT, UH, UH, INTERMITTENT ELECTRICITY. 
          NOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I THINK IT COULD BE A SAFETY PROBLEM, BUT, AND, BUT DOMINION POWER IS HESITANT TO WANDER ONTO SOMEBODY'S 
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PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY GOT THE, A LITTLE LADY COMES OUT JUST SCREAMING AND HOLLERING. 
          THEY'LL BE ON MY PROPERTY, CUTTING MY TREES. 
          AND SO THE GENTLEMAN OR THE FAMILY ON THE OTHER PLACE ARE KIND OF GOING, WHAT, WHAT'S THE RECOURSE HERE? WE COULD BE ADDRESSING THAT. 
          BUT ARE WE, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, A REAL LIFE PROBLEM. 
          AND DOWN CATHERINE, NICK. 
          SO WHAT PROBLEM WE SOLVING HERE? I'M NOT QUITE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS, IS WHAT I'M TELLING YOU. 
          THE THE HOUSE IS ABANDONED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOBODY'S LIVING THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, AND IT'S SOMEWHAT DILAPIDATED AND THE OWNER REFUSES TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          BUT WE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES LIKE THAT. 
          NO, WE DON'T TELL, SHOW ME. 
          I GOT LIKE, JUST COMING UP HERE. 
          I'M IN MY DISTRICT. 
          SHOW ME WHERE SOMEBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT 'EM. 
          THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING. 
          IF THEY'RE COMPLAINING TO US, THEN THE COUNTY CAN ADDRESS IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS. 
          IF SOMEONE COMPLAINS ABOUT A HOUSE, LIKE WHAT I HAVE IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER DOWN HERE, THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          IF THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T COMPLAINING AND THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE HOUSES LOOK LIKE NEXT TO 'EM, NO BIG DEAL, THEN THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS IT. 
          THIS ONLY ADDRESSES A SITUATION THAT WHERE THEIR HANDS ARE TIED. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS ADDRESSING ONLY THAT KIND OF SITUATION UNLESS SOMEBODY COMPLAINS IT'S NOT GONNA ADDRESS ANYTHING. 
          WELL, THAT'S HOW MOST OF OUR CODE IS. 
          SO THAT SETTLES IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THIS IS ONLY FOR COMPLAINT DRIVEN. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THAT LIKE SIX TIMES. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED MY QUESTIONS AROUND DEMOLITION, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SO THAT'S THE AVENUE YOU FOLLOW WHEN THE HOUSE IS DILAPIDATED AND THE TREES ARE RUNNING THROUGH IT AND YOUR COCOONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE LIVING INSIDE OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A DEMOLITION CASE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THIS HOUSE COULD BE SAVED. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. 
          IF IT CAN'T BE SAVED, YOU WALK IN AND IT'S A TOTAL WRECK. 
          THIS, THIS HOUSE IS NOT COMPLETELY DILAPIDATED, BUT IT'S GOT TREES GROWING INTO THE HOUSE. 
          IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE SAVED. 
          IT'LL GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT WILL, IT WILL. 
          IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOW, IT WILL GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT WILL BE DILAPIDATED. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO OFFSET A PROBLEM LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. 
          BUT I MEAN, IF WE HAD BEARS LIVING IN A HOUSE, I COULD UNDERSTAND IT. 
          BUT RACCOONS AND POSSUMS, FOX, COYOTES, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE A PRISTINE PLACE AND THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THOSE ENVIRONMENTS RUNNING AROUND YOU HAVE FOR YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, IF YOU JUST, IT'S, IF YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WOODS NEAR YOUR PLACE, I MEAN, I SEE THIS, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS BECAUSE STEVE'S BROUGHT UP A PROBLEM OR AN ISSUE THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT, WHICH IS PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          AND US TELLING SOMEBODY THAT YOU GOTTA GO PULL VINES OUTTA YOUR HOUSE. 
          I MEAN, I SWEAR TO GOD, I GOT A HOUSE. 
          IT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S GOT VINES, IT'S GOT IVY GROWING IN THE HOUSE FROM THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO I'M NOT, I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE PROBLEM HERE WITH THE SAME THING. 
          IF US TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY CUTTING, I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S NOT TIED TO WHAT I THINK A VERY CLEAR DELINEATION OF SAFETY. 
          I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEBODY HAVING A, A DILAPIDATED HOUSE THAT THAT'S BASICALLY LEFT IT AND WON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          THAT'S A PROBLEM I DON'T WANT. 
          THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY. 
          IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          THEY OWN IT. 
          BUT SADLY, SADLY, THESE CASES, THESE ARE, THESE ARE COMPLAINTS DRIVEN. 
          PEANUT BUTTER, PEOPLE AREN'T COMPLAINING. 
          IT WILL NEVER BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND THAT'S FINE. 
          WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THIS ORDINANCE IN CASE PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT A HOUSE IN CASE NEXT DOOR. 
          AND, AND IT GOES BACK TO IF I LIVE NEXT DOOR, TOM, IF YOU LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS HOUSE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GO, HEY, I'M MOVING TO FLORIDA AND YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL YOUR HOUSE, THE VALUE OF THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO GO DOWN ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          IT'S STILL A PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. 
          IT IS ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          IT'S ANOTHER THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE TOGETHER. 
          ISSUE. 
          IT IS ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          BUT SITTING ON THIS BOARD, IT'S OUR JOB TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF YOUR COUNTY. 
          NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ABANDONED THEIR HOUSES, PEOPLE OF YOUR COUNTY, THEM FROM, IT'S EVERYBODY AROUND THAT HOUSE THAT HAS TO PUT UP WITH IT. 
          I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GO OVERBOARD. 
          I DON'T THINK WE ARE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE GONNA GO TALK TO 'EM. 
          IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THE COUNTY'S GONNA GO OVER THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE. 
          IT'S THAT EASY. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA PUT A LIEN ON THE HOUSE IF THE, IF THE OWNERS DON'T PAY FOR IT. 
          IT'S JUST THAT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. 
          WHAT, BUT WHAT IS IT KIND OF GONNA TAKE CARE OF? IT'S TAKE CARE OF. 
          IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          NOBODY LIVES IN THE HOUSE. 
          THE HOUSE FALLS DOWN OR THERE'S A FIRE IN IT, THEN YEAH, THERE'S, I CAN SEE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO OVER THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT, THE POLICE SEND THE STAFF OVER TO TRIM UP THAT BUSHES, TRIM UP THE HOUSE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO DO, GO. 
          WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT ON AN ABANDONED PROPERTY. 
          I MEAN, I'M LAYING A FINE DOWN. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THIS, I TELL YOU WHAT, GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT, IT'S 
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A NUISANCE ISSUE. 
          IT COULD AFFECT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I GRANT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE, IF UC IT GO DOWN INTO PORTSMOUTH OR SOME CITY AND WHERE THE, WHERE THE, THE, IT'S WHAT YOU HAVE KIND OF THE ROT IN THE CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA GO LIVE IN THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES TIED TO THIS. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE US IF GETTING, ONCE YOU GET AWAY FROM THE SAFETY CLEAR DELINEATION OF SAFETY, I GOT A PROBLEM. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU HAVE SHRUBS AND TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GROWING IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD, AND IT BECOMES A NUISANCE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR. 
          AND AND YOU SAYING LIKE, LIKE YOU GOT A TREE THAT GROWS OVER. 
          IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          OVER YOUR PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE YOU'VE GOT ONE LEANING THAT'S THAT'S BROKE THAT'S, THAT'S DEAD. 
          IT'S LEANING OVER THE PROPERTY AND IT COULD HIT THEIR HOUSE. 
          AND THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYS, ATTORNEY, I AIN'T DOING ANYTHING TO THAT. 
          THAT TREE FALLS INTO YOUR YARD. 
          GUESS WHAT? IT'S YOUR TREE. 
          IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BECOMES YOUR TREE INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          NO KIDDING. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT BECOMES YOUR TREE THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, THE THING IS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HOMEOWNER INSURANCE. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO COVER THE COVER DAMAGES FROM A FALLING TREE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OR YOUR APPLES OR WHATEVER YOU, THE PAIRS OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GROW IN. 
          AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT NEW WAYNE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST SHOCKED THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          THERE'S A VERY VIBRANT BODY OF LAW ON THIS. 
          'CAUSE PEOPLE SUE EACH OTHER ABOUT THIS KIND OF STUFF ALL THE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          , LOOK, LOOK, LOOK AT THE EXAMPLE THAT THAT, THAT YOU SHARED WITH US. 
          SO BASED UPON THE AMENDMENT THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE, AND IN YOUR EXAMPLE, CONNIE WOULD SEND SOMEBODY OVER AND THEY WOULD CUT BACK ENOUGH RUBBER TO MAKE SURE YOU COULD SEE THE NUMBERS AND ENOUGH RUBBER SO YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA FIX BROKEN WINDOWS. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA FIX RACCOONS. 
          SQUIRRELS LIVE, LIVING INSIDE OF IT. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA ADDRESS ANY OF THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND NOR DO WE EVEN HAVE STAFF TO GO AND PULL RACCOON STUFF OUT OF IT OR POSSIBLE. 
          TRUST ME. 
          I KNOW. 
          I I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT, THAT SCENARIO MYSELF BEFORE. 
          UM, SO, BUT WHAT, AND, AND I, AND I THINK I SAID THIS EARLIER ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS AS AN ABANDONED PROPERTY COORDINATES OF, OF SOME SORT. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY AND THAT WE, THAT WE DO HAVE, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EASY SOLUTION EITHER. 
          BUT WE DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ABANDONED PROPERTY, PROBABLY LIKE WHAT YOU DESCRIBED THERE. 
          BUT WE HAVE NO, NO DOCUMENTATION, NOTHING IN THE, OR IN OUR, IN OUR COUNTY ORDINANCES TO, TO ADDRESS IT. 
          AND WE, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD. 
          IS IT, IS IT ABANDONED PROPERTY OR IS IT ABANDONED STRUCTURES? I DON'T KNOW. 
          IS THERE A DISTINCTION? WELL, OKAY, WHAT, WHEN IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY? SO WE, WE ACTUALLY WROTE A MEMO FOR Y'ALL ON THIS, UH, OR THERE WAS A MEMO THAT, WAS IT LAST CALENDAR OR THIS CALENDAR, UM, LAST CALENDAR YEAR. 
          THAT WAS THE QUESTION WAS RAISED ABOUT A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          A LOT OF LOCALITIES, UM, CITIES PARTICULARLY HAVE THESE AROUND US. 
          JUST BEFORE THE, WHAT WE FOUND, AND WE, WE TALKED ACTUALLY IN THE ENFORCEMENT STAFF, UM, WHO WOULD ENFORCE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          THERE'S LIKE A MODEL CODE THAT A LOT OF THEM ADOPT. 
          UM, ONE ISSUE WAS, YOU KNOW, IS IT ACT FOR THE, THE KIND OF TWOFOLD. 
          SO ONE WAS COST, CERTAINLY BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WILL GO OUT AND TO A DEGREE, LIKE TRY TO, THEY HAVE TO ABATE. 
          AND SO THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITIES CAN KIND OF ABSORB THE COST FOR ENFORCING A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          WE CAN'T, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE FOR US. 
          POSSIBLY. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE SPECIFIC, UM, CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED WAS VERY CONTEXTUAL TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THE HOUSE ON AMBLER WAS THE TREES AND THE OVERGROWTH WAS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF PIVOTED TOWARDS, WELL LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS OVERGROWTH ORDINANCE, UM, TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS. 
          AND THE ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, TREES AND YOU GOT THE BUSHES IN YOUR WINDOWS AND THAT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS. RIGHT. 
          AND WAYNE, I I GET IT. 
          I MEAN, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, I, I, YOU KNOW, NOBODY HERE WANTS TO LIVE BESIDE THAT. 
          BUT WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR GOVERNMENT TO COME IN AND FORCE COMPLIANCE, TO ME THAT GETS INTO GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. 
          I'M BIG ON PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO COME UP INTO MY YARD AND GO, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ZONING ORDINANCE AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SHRUBBERY ISN'T RIGHT OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I, I, I, THAT'S THE TYPE OF OVERREACH I WANT US TO ACTIVELY MAKE SURE WE AVOID. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE RESIDENT NEW YORK COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO MUCH OF THEIR BUSINESS EITHER. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT MAN, IT'S, IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL. 
          AND BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN ALL LOOK AT EXAMPLES OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONE TOO FAR. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I, I, I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE LEGAL SIDES OF IT AND ALSO THE COST TO THE COUNTY, MORE STAFF, TRAINING PEOPLE TO, TO LOOK AT PROPERTY PROPERLY. 
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AND WE DECIDED THAT THAT REALLY WASN'T OUR BUSINESS ONE. 
          THAT WAS A WHILE AGO WHERE SHEILA WAS. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF A SLUM LORD ISSUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          KNOW. 
          YES. 
          THE S WAS A BAD ISSUE. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          AND WE ENDED UP WITH THAT HOTEL OR SOMETHING THAT WAS A, WAS AN ISSUE, REMEMBER THAT WE COULD TAKE, THAT WE TOOK CARE OF, BUT WE DID IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          DIFFERENT WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          FAILURE. 
          YOU PAY THE BILLS GOT BEHIND ON STUFF. 
          WELL, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOT INVOLVED IN IT BECAUSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WERE LIVING THERE. 
          WHEREAS AN ABANDONED HOUSE PEOPLE AREN'T LIVING THERE. 
          I THINK THESE ARE FAR AND FEW IN BETWEEN. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, IN MY OPINION. 
          BUT, UH, I, AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THE ONES THAT ARE COMPLAINED ON. 
          THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          WELL, AND IF THAT PEOPLE, IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T COMPLAIN ON IT, THEN IT'S NOT ADDRESSED. 
          I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT THAT IF YOU CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT THAT WILL DO SOMETHING LIKE WE GOT UP HERE. 
          THEN PEOPLE, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS WILL USE THAT AS A , THE SLAM, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO COURT AND DEAL WITH THEIR ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE STAND THAT, THAT'S PART OF THEIR ASSOCIATION. 
          AND THE NEIGHBORS WILL USE IT TO BEAT EACH OTHER OVER THE HEAD WITH MM-HMM . 
          I'VE SEEN IT SO MANY TIMES. 
          THEY'VE TRIED TO DRAG US INTO THEIR FIGHTS AND, AND THE THE ONLY ONE THAT IT'S EITHER BUILDING CODE VIOLATION OR THE, THE GRASS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR CUT. 
          AND WE'VE HAD 'EM GO OUT AND CUT GRASS AND, AND, AND, AND WE'VE NOTIFIED THE LANDOWNER, VACANT LANDOWNER OR WHATEVER, RENTER OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          OR NOT THE RENTER, BUT THE OWNER AND THEY, AND THEY, THEY EITHER GONNA PAY UP OR THEY, THEY'RE GONNA GET FINED. 
          BUT, BUT WE DON'T GO IN TO THE, THE BEAUTIFICATION AESTHETICS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S NOT OUR, I I'M JUST, IT'S NOT OUR JOB. 
          YOU CAN, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT FAR, YOU CAN END UP WITH A, YOU CAN END UP WITH AN ORDINANCE. 
          IT'S PRETTY TIGHT. 
          I MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, COLOR YOUR ROOF IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I DON'T, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GO THERE. 
          I THINK IF YOU GUYS LIVE BESIDE IT, YOU WOULD BE TALKING DIFFERENTLY RIGHT NOW. 
          GUARANTEE IT. 
          WELL, THAT COULD BE, BUT WE'RE NOT LIVING BESIDE IT RIGHT NOW. 
          MY MIND, NOW WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE THIS FOR EVERYBODY. 
          AND I, I, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS. 
          I CAN USE, I CAN LIVE WITH THE FIRST FOUR ITEMS UP HERE. 
          FIFTH ITEM. 
          I THINK THE FIFTH ITEM HAS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          IT COVERS DEMOLITION. 
          IT'S ALREADY A EXISTING ORDINANCE ON THAT. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU COVER THIS KIND OF ISSUE. 
          WHERE IS THAT AN ABANDONMENT AS WELL? A PART OF THAT? IT IS. 
          IF TREE IS GROWING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE ROOF OR IT'S FALLING THROUGH THE ROOF AND CAVED IN THE WHOLE BUILDING, THEN IT'S NOT THE BUSHES YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT. 
          NOW, THE PREVIOUS ATTORNEY, UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY HAD THIS THING CALLED A, UH, AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE AN ABANDONED BUILDING, UM, YOU KIND OF WARN THE OWNER THAT YOU'RE FALLING INTO THIS ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE THING. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN WILL COME PLAY IN A BUILDING AND GET HURT AND THEN WHATEVER HAPPENS. 
          YOU TELL ME, TELL US, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WELL, WE ALREADY, THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE NUISANCES IS THAT, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DRIVING THIS REQUEST IS WE ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE GRASS SITUATION, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, TO USE SELF-HELP WHERE YOU CAN GO BASICALLY TELL 'EM, IF YOU DON'T DO IT, WE'RE GONNA DO IT AND WE'LL BILL YOU FOR IT. 
          AND WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER OUR STATE LAW ALLOWS US TO REQUEST THE AUTHORITY, BUT WE HAVE NOT ADOPTED THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT IN CASES LIKE MR. DREW'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          OR WE WOULD BASICALLY SAY, HEY, YOUR, YOUR TREES ARE TOO HIGH. 
          YOU'VE BEEN ON PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND TRIM YOUR BUSHES AND CUT YOUR TREE. 
          OR EVEN DO ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST GRASS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS WOULD ADDRESS. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A WHOLE NUISANCE PROCESS THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH, REQUIRE GETTING INJUNCTIONS AND EVERYTHING. 
          BUT, SO IN THAT INJUN, SO LET ME JUST SAY, CAN I ADDRESS THAT? 'CAUSE WE'RE ON THIS ISSUE. 
          SO, SO WE HAVE THIS COURT SITUATION, ABANDONED HOUSE STUFF. 
          LIKE WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE, THE PROCESS? WHAT IS THIS ISSUE? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE SPECIFIC NUISANCE REQUIRES. 
          VERY SPECIFIC FINDINGS AND VERY SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED HERE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ISSUE. 
          BUT YOU COULD THEORETICALLY BRING A NUISANCE TO, BUT YOU, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY DOING THAT. 
          BUT ASKING THE JUDGE TO GIVE US THE AUTHORITY, WHICH WE DO IN CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS. 
          LIKE WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CLEAN UP TRASH 
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WHEN PEOPLE LIKE LEAVE A BUNCH OF TRASH SITTING OUT AND THEY DON'T ANYTHING TO BED IN CARS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT A LOT OF TIMES FOR THE TRASH, WE HAVE TO GO AND GET AN INJUNCTION BECAUSE OUR CODE SAYS WE CAN DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THIS CASE HERE, WHAT IS THERE? NO, IS THERE ANY JUDICIAL STATE JUDICIAL PROCESS FROM THE STATE CODE THAT WE CAN USE TO APPLY TO THIS CASE? YES. 
          WITHOUT US CREATING, IT'S ALWAYS PROBABLY . 
          SHE'S PROBABLY NOT, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF RENDERING A LEGAL OPINION ABOUT WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T A NUISANCE, BUT STATE LAW ALLOWS LOCALITIES TO ADOPT A PROCESS TO DEAL WITH THIS EXACT SITUATION, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK PLANNING IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IN THIS ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE STATE ALLOWS US TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION. 
          WHAT IS THE SITUATION? THIS OVERGROWTH? IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY IN . 
          IS IT, HOW, HOW IS IT, HOW IS IT MY PROBLEM IN DISTRICT FIVE? SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN STATE CODE, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE LITERALLY THIS DEFINITION OF LIKE OVERGROWTH AND THEN IT CITES LIKE NOXIOUS WEEDS, VINES. 
          IT'S LIKE VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT. 
          AND IT'S FOR OUR LIKE PLANNING DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF AS MR. DREWRY SAID, A KIND OF CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN SOMEONE'S COMPLAINING ABOUT IT. 
          SO IF SOMEONE IS COMPLAINING TO YOU, LET'S JUST SAY WE HAVE A HOUSE AND THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE TREES ARE GROWING INTO THE ROOF, TOM, WE WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT UNTIL THE BUILDING IS DAMAGED. 
          TO THE EXTENT THAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL COULD GO IN THERE AND AND CONDEMN IT. 
          CONDEMN IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT IF WE, OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE BROUGHT UP, REMEMBER THE STABLE DOWN THERE WITH THE ROYAL FARMS? MM-HMM . 
          USED THIS DOWN AND WE HAD A STABLE THERE AND EVERYBODY COMPLAINED. 
          THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT THE ROOF TAPE, I HAD A HOUSE WITH FULLY DOWN. 
          NOBODY, WE FIND OUT OUT THE WALLS WERE TWO FEET THICK AND THEY WERE BRICK AND THEY WERE BUILT LIKE 150 YEARS AGO. 
          AND THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO BECAUSE THE WHEEL WALLS WEREN'T FALLING DOWN. 
          I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN ANY OF THOSE EVER WORK OUT. 
          SO I'M SAYING WHAT IS THE, THE PROBLEM HERE? IS IT, IS IT A PROBLEM OF IS THERE PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM THAT WE CAN DEFINE? I THINK IT IS KATE, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          WHAT IF, WHAT IF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS BROKE IN THAT HOUSE AND GOT HURT? THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S ABANDONED AND NOBODY'S GONNA STOP THEM KIDS FROM GOING IN THAT HOUSE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO WATCH IT. 
          AND THEY COULD CERTAINLY BREAK IN THAT HOUSE AND THE CONDITION IT'S IN. 
          HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN LIKE THAT? AND HAS ANYBODY BROKEN INTO IT? THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT, SHEILA. 
          THE POINT IS, SOMEBODY COULD GO IN THERE TOMORROW AND GET HURT. 
          SURE COULD. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NUISANCE PART. 
          THAT THERE COULD BE A SAFETY PROBLEM FOR NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS OR ANYBODY. 
          IT COULD BE A SQUATTER. 
          WELL, CAN WE DEFINE THIS SOME SAFETY MANNER AS IT, WE DEFINE THIS AS A SAFETY IN SOME MANNER OF SAFETY. 
          I MEAN, IS IS, UH, THE PROXIMITY TO THE HOUSE? UH, IT, DOES IT BECOME A FIRE HAZARD TO THE HOUSE? UM, DOES IT HAVE ELECTRICITY GO INTO THE HOUSE? DOES IT, DOES THAT WATER GO INTO THE HOUSE? I, I'M, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEFINE THIS AS, YOU GOTTA DEFINE THIS TO THE PROBLEM. 
          THE PROBLEM IS WHAT ARE WE ADDRESSING? I STILL DON'T, I DON'T, I I SORT OF, I UNDERSTAND THE AESTHETIC ASPECTS. 
          I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I'M JUST NOT GONNA, UH, GO ALONG WITH SOMETHING THAT JUST ADDRESSED THE AESTHETICS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU CAN GO OVER AND BUY SOMEBODY HIS PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN DO ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU GOT A SAFETY ISSUE THAT SOMEBODY'S IGNORING, THEN LET THIS FIGURE THAT PART OUT. 
          SO I THINK TO JUST ADDRESS THAT, I THINK THE SAFETY ASPECT IS THE ACCESS OF ANY PERS ANY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PERSONNEL THAT MIGHT NEED TO GET ACCESS TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO THIS TAKE WOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY LIKE SHRUBS OR TREES THAT ARE GROWING IN FRONT OF WINDOWS DOORS. 
          THIS GOES WHAT STEVE? THIS STEVE JUST SAID. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL ONLY REQUIRE US TO CUT ENOUGH SHRUBBERY AWAY FROM THE DOOR TO GET IN THE HOUSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'LL ONLY CUT ENOUGH, UH, SHRUBBERY AWAY TO GET TO THE NUMBER. 
          IT'S NOT TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY. 
          IT'S TO GET, THAT'S WE'LL DO CREATE TO ALLEVIATE THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ONE THROUGH FOUR OR FIVE TO, TO PERFORM A RESCUE OPERATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF, IF IT WAS NEVER NEEDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT GETTING, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO AESTHETICS, I MEAN NO, I DON'T AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ACTUALLY, NO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EVEN ADDRESSES ANY ISSUES THAT, THAT WOULD SATISFY YOUR, YOUR CONSTITUENT. 
          I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          DOES THIS APPLY TO UNIMPROVED LOTS? WE'VE WRITTEN IT RIGHT? CURRENTLY. 
          SO IT'S DEVELOPED PROPERTY. 
          SO 
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THIS WOULD, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A FARM FIELD THAT'S FALLOW OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T APPLY THIS SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE UNIMPROVED LOT. 
          WE WOULD LEAVE THOSE ALONG. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT UNDEVELOPED LOT COULD BE ON A, ALONG THE ROADSIDE AND COULD HAVE STRU THAT'S BLOCKING YOUR VIEW OF TRAFFIC. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE AND GET THEM TO ADDRESS IT LIKE WE WOULD SOMEBODY WITH A DEVELOPED PROPERTY. 
          SO FOR GRASS, WE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS ZONING, LIKE JUST USE GRASS AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          THEY DO CUT, WE COULD CUT 50 FEET IN. 
          SO I MEAN IF THIS WERE TO GET ADOPTED, BUT AGAIN, FOR UN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY, YEAH, WE COULDN'T, I THINK IF IT'S BLOCKING A DEVELOPED PROPERTY, YES. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          WELL THIS, I'M I'M JUST THINKING COMING OUTTA THE OLD LAKESIDE DRIVE ON, ON LAKESIDE, YOU, YOU LOOK LEFT, YOU CAN, YOU GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET OF VISIBILITY THERE FOR, FOR TRAFFIC COMING AND, AND I THINK THAT A LOT ON THE CORNER IS DEVELOPED, BUT I THINK THE LOT RIGHT BESIDE IT IS UNDEVELOPED. 
          SO WE WOULD BUST THE PERSON ON THE CORNER TO GO FIX YOUR STUFF. 
          AND THEN THE UNDEVELOPED LOT, I GUESS WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT AND NOT CHARGE ANYBODY FOR IT. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM, I MEAN, IF IT'S BLOCKING ACCESS BACK TO THE OWNER TO GET OUT, I MEAN A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN HAVE BDOT COME BACK AND THEY CAN CLEAR THOSE SHRUBS UP. 
          UM, THEY CUT THEM BACK ALSO FOR SAFETY REASONS. 
          WELL, WHEN THEY DO THAT FOR THE DEVELOP LOT, THEN, I MEAN THEY COULD ALSO DO THAT ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, PUBLIC WORKS TEAM DOES, IS VERY RESPONSIVE TO SAFETY ISSUES LIKE THAT AND HAVE OFTEN COME OUT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          WE MAYBE WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED, NEED THEM ANY LONGER FOR, FOR THAT WORK. 
          OUR CO OUR PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT ACTUALLY. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN IT'S GRASS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE SEND THE GRASS CONTRACTOR OUT, BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GRASS. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE BRANCHES ARE GOING OVER THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T SEE DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IT BECOMES A SAFETY ISSUE TO PULL OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          MY THAT THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S RIGHT, IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT, IT, IT IS FEED OUT RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I CAN'T WAIT. 
          IT'S V RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I CAN'T WAIT FOR A MONTH FOR VDOT TO GET OUT THERE. 
          SO OUR PUBLIC'S WORK CREW HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB BEING RESPONS TO THAT AND ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND I THINK THOSE ARE CASE BY CASE BASIS AUTHORIZED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD USE THIS ORDINANCE FOR NECESSARILY. 
          SO, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, VICTORY BOULEVARD, MAJOR HIGHWAY , BIG, BIG PAIN IN MY BUTT. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAME ALL, IT HAS A POWER THIS TIME. 
          IT HAS A POWER LINE. 
          IT GROWS ALL THE WAY ACROSS, GOES ACROSS THE ROAD. 
          IT'S S SINCLAIR. 
          YOU GO OVER THERE TODAY AND THERE'S A VINE GROWING ALL THE WAY ACROSS VICTORY BOULEVARD. 
          AND IT'S HANGING DOWN. 
          IF IT CONTINUES WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS, IT'S GONNA BE BOUNCING OFF THE CARS. 
          CAN YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT? LET'S CUT THE VINE AT THE ROOT . 
          IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'LL BRING IT TO THE, I'LL BRING IT TO THE GOVERNMENT'S. 
          THE GOVERNMENT'S ATTENTION. 
          THE VINE AT THE ROOT, IT WILL DIE. 
          CAN YOU GET THE, YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          I'LL GET MR. KREGER RIGHT ON THAT . 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. 
          CUT IT. 
          CUT IT AT HE CUT IT AT THE KNEES. 
          JUST YOU WERE TAKING NOTES BACK HERE. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN JUST, I DIDN'T NEED TO SEE HIM. 
          I KNEW WHAT HE WAS GONNA DO. 
          . 
          THAT'D BE AMAZING. 
          I WAS WONDER. 
          I CAN, I CAN WAIT AND SEE HOW LONG I WAS GONNA GO. 
          UH, HEY, I, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A LOT. 
          WHERE ARE WE? SO, I MEAN, WE WILL BRING THIS TO YOUR NEXT MEETING FOR TIME, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN YOU ALL CAN HEAR WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC THAT HAS CONTINUED INFORMATION TO SHARE, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, I WILL, I WILL, I'LL MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          FIVE HAS GOTTA BE A SAFETY ISSUE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED. 
          SPECIFICALLY THE ACCESS POINTS, THE NUMBER POINTS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE IF, SO, IF THE PURPOSE IS PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          OKAY. 
          AS LONG AS YOU CAN COUCH IT IN PUBLIC SAFETY TERMS, I CAN BUY INTO IT. 
          I CAN'T BUY INTO IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE. 
          WHAT CALLED NUISANCE. 
          YOU GOTTA BUY INTO AN LEGAL TERM, LEGAL TERMINOLOGY THAT DEALS WITH SAFETY. 
          BECAUSE I CAN GO TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, LOOK, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF TWO KIDS GO IN TO THE HOUSE, HOUSE AND, AND GET KILLED BECAUSE THE PLACE COLLAPSES ON THE HOUSE, COLLAPSES ON 'EM, BECAUSE WE'VE LET IT DETERIORATE TO THAT POINT. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I'M GONNA HAVE SCREAMING PARENTS ALL OVER ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T ADDRESS AN ISSUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ISSUE HERE IS WE ADDRESS IT FROM PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          I CAN BUY INTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST NOT GONNA BUY INTO, THAT'S USING THIS THING TO BEAT PEOPLE OVER THE HEAD 'CAUSE OF THE PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE THERE. 
          YEP. 
          WE'VE GOT OUR GUIDANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT YOU BRING TO THE BOARD MEETING NEXT TIME. 
          SO NEXT 
          [2 Chesapeake Bay Board. Presentation by Kent Henkel, Engineering Specialist III, Joe Brogan, Stormwater Programs Manager, and Robert Krieger, Director of Public Works. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator b. Buffer Requirements 2009 c. Buffer Requirements 2010 d. Proposed Ordinance No. 25-5 with track changes ]
ON THE AGENDA IS CHEE BAY BOARD, UH, JOE, ARE YOU DOING IT? OR RIEGER? WHO'S DOING IT? OH, OKAY. 
          A TRIUM. 
          SEE IF I CAN FIND POWERPOINT. 
          SEND RIGHT HERE. 
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CAN YOU SEE IF THAT'S WHAT IT WAS? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M JOINED BY KENT HENKEL AND MR. JOSEPH BROGAN FROM PUBLIC WORKS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS MY 25TH YEAR OF SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          REALLY? SO, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S A ROUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT EASY ON ME. 
          . 
          I HAVEN'T HAD, IT'S NOT BEEN MY EXPERIENCE. 
          . 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          YEAH. 
          LITTLE OF LUCK WHERE THE TERM GOES. 
          SO, A LITTLE HISTORY, BACK IN, UM, 1988, THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, ENACTED THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THE PURPOSE OF THE ACT WAS TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE WATER QUALITY IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BY OOH. 
          SEE NOW HE'S DONE MESSING, UH, REQUIRING THE IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF EFFECTIVE LAND USE AND MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO PROTECT THE WATERWAYS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IN SEPTEMBER OF 21, UH, THE WATER CONTROL BOARD ADOPTED A NEW SEC SECTION OF REGULATIONS THAT WILL REQUIRE THE STATE MANDATED REVISIONS THAT'LL BE PASSED DOWN TO THE COUNTY, UH, THROUGH THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION AREAS ORDINANCE. 
          UH, THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS WAS COASTAL RESILIENCE, ADAPTION TO SEA LEVEL RISE, AS WELL AS CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          SO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO PERFORM A, UH, RESILIENCY ASSESSMENT ON PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ENCROACHING INTO THE RPA. 
          UH, THERE IS GONNA BE NEW GUIDANCE, UH, REGARDING WHAT IS A MATURE TREE. 
          AND THERE THE LOCAL ORDINANCE IS REQUIRED TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THESE CHANGES. 
          IN ADDITION TO THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES, UH, YORK COUNTY WILL, UH, AMEND BUFFER REQUIREMENTS, PART ONE AND PART TWO. 
          AND, UH, I KNOW SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN THIS IN YOUR CORRESPONDENCE PACKAGE FOR A LITTLE READ AHEAD. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO, YOU KNOW, THROW 'EM RIGHT AWAY. 
          SO THESE, UH, REVIEW OF THESE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND UPDATES AND THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT DOCUMENTS. 
          SO RIGHT OUT OF THE STATE PLAYBOOK, UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2021. 
          AND OF COURSE, THEY HAND IT TO US AND SAY, UH, YOU'VE GOT TO ADOPT THIS BY SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2025. 
          UM, SO IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION NOW. 
          THE PLAN IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 17TH. 
          JUNE 17TH. 
          JUNE 17TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, AT THAT POINT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN ADOPTION OF THESE NEW ORDINANCES, THESE ORDINANCES, THE, THE CHANGES, ARE THEY, DID THEY COME FROM THE STATE SAYING YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE? OR DID WE USE, DEVELOP THAT OURSELVES THROUGH STATE MANDATED CHANGES? THE STATE CHANGES MANDATED FROM THE CHESAPEAKE BAY PRESERVATION ACT. 
          SO WE GOTTA TAKE STATE CODE AND PUT IT INTO OUR ORDINANCE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE IT ALL EFFECTIVE? I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WHAT, WHAT DO WE, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME GAME. 
          THAT IS WHAT, WHAT DID WE DO LAST YEAR? WETLANDS. 
          RIGHT? WETLAND ISN'T, IT'S BASICALLY, AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY. 
          THE, WE, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD AND THE WETLANDS BOARD ARE ACTUALLY EXTENSION OF STATE, OF THE STATE OPERATIONS THAT, THAT THEY SAY, HEY, THEY COME TO US THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO THIS OR YOU WANT US TO DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO HISTORICALLY WE SAID, OH, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE INTERACT DIRECTLY WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          THAT'S NOT SOME AGENCY THAT'S, UM, THAT'S NOT HERE LOCALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          OR NOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, AT ONE TIME YOU HAD TO GO DOWNTOWN. 
          WHAT IS IT? UH, IN NEWPORT NEWS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, THEY, THE BOARD WOULD MEET DOWN THERE, THERE. 
          BUT HERE THEY GET TO MEET, WE DECIDE TO TAKE ON THESE RULES. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE ON THE RULES, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEREFORE WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE ALL THAT CRAP INTO OUR STUFF. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT'S, IT'S CURIOUS HOW, IT'S FUNNY HOW THIS COMES RIGHT ON THE HILL OF THE LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          'CAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ORDINANCE WHERE WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM PEOPLE, YEAH, YOU, YOU BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          WATERFRONT A PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE GONNA LIMIT YOU. 
          WE, THE STATE THROUGH THIS COUNTY CODE ARE GONNA LIMIT. 
          BELIEVE ME, WE DON'T, THEY AREN'T THEY NOTIFIED BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? THAT, THAT, THAT THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME NEW ONES IN AFTER THEY ALREADY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S PUTTING THESE THINGS IN HERE. 
          IT'S A STATE. 
          WELL, AND, AND, AND IT'S BASICALLY A COPY AND PASTE. 
          SO YOU, YOU SHOW, 
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YOU SHOULD PUT THIS IN HERE. 
          RIGHT? UM, UM, SO, SO THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE WATER FROM PROPERTIES HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA BUFFER, RP. 
          SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT STORM SURGES, SEA LEVEL RISE. 
          BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS THEY WANT THE COUNTY, WHEN THEY REVIEW THESE PROJECTS, TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE. 
          SO THAT DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BUILT IN HARM'S WAY. 
          STORM SURGE, SEA LEVEL RISE, FLOODING. 
          AND SO WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS AND PUSH THEM TOWARDS THE FRONT SETBACK. 
          IF YOU HAVE WATERFRONT PROPERTY, BUT THAT WAS TRADITIONALLY DONE ANYWAY WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA. 
          THESE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT IS GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PUSH YOU. 
          IF YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE AND YOU HAVE A WATERFRONT PROPERTY, YOU HAVE NOWHERE TO PUT IT. 
          BUT IN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION AREA BUFFER, THAT'S GONNA GO TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD FOR REVIEW. 
          AND ALL THESE PARAMETERS ARE GONNA BE PRESENTED TO THE BAY BOARD TO SAY, IS THIS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT? IS THERE ANY OTHER PLACE ON YOUR PROPERTY TO LOCATE THIS SO THAT IT MAY NOT BE DAMAGED IN A STORM? WHERE CAN WE PUT THIS? SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY OPTIONS, BUT TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE RPA, IN A SEA LEVEL RISE AREA. 
          BUT ALL THESE THINGS NOW NEED TO BE LOOKED AT WITH THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ASPECT OF IT, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, LANGUAGE IN HERE AMENDMENTS ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH TREES ON YOUR, ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THIS HUGE TREE, IT'S GOT ONE GOOD BRANCH ON IT, BUT IT A MATURE TREE AND YOU CAN'T CUT IT DOWN. 
          WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT JUST GETS INTO, YEAH, YOU KIND OF OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO SOME THINGS WITH IT. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME EXTRA GUIDELINES IN THERE. 
          IF YOU WERE TO CUT THAT TREE DOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT WOULD EXPLAIN, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE TREE. 
          YOU'RE REMOVED WITH, UH, X NUMBER OF TREES THIS SIDE AND THREE SHRUBS, OR ONE TREE AND FIVE SHRUBS. 
          ISN'T THIS, UH, EQUAL? I DON'T WANNA EXTEND THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE OF THE ACTION OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, STATE, IT'S A STATE AGREEMENT. 
          NOT ONLY WITH US, BUT THE STATES, MARYLAND AND, AND ALL THE STATES IN IT. 
          SO THERE'S AN, THERE'S A HUGE EXTENSION OF THIS. 
          IT GOES, IT GOES WAY BEYOND THIS. 
          ALL THIS IS GONNA DO, STEVE, IS JUST MAKE OUR ORDINANCE. 
          IF WE WANT TO HAVE A CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL IT DOES. 
          LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          WE'VE GOT, THIS WILL COME A PUBLIC HEARING YOU SAID ON THE 17TH MM-HMM . 
          SO IF SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC COMES AND SAYS, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE IT. 
          I THINK OUR RESPONSE IS, WE UNDERSTAND, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN ANYWAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY STATEMENT. 
          MUCH LIKE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD BACK WITH, UH, JIM BARNETT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, OR TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WITH A, PUTTING IN A, UM, A CELL TOWER ON SCHOOL PROPERTY . 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN MR. BARNETT AND INTERVENOUS SAID, WELL, BY THE WAY, DUE TO THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS ACT, UNLESS IT'S NOT ZONED FOR IT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT. 
          ON WHICH CASE I'M LIKE, WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT? IT'S GOTTA BE DONE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT, SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS THE SAME DEAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. 
          THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO JUST MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET 'CAUSE IT'S STATE MANDATED. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT SUPERVISOR DONE LEFT. 
          I'M DONE. 
          BUT I'M STAYING FOR THE NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          [3* Queens Lake Dredging. Presentation by Joe Brogan, Stormwater Programs Manager, and Robert Krieger, Director of Public Works ]
NOW THE NEXT ONE IS, IS THE CLEAN SLATE DRED, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU ALL YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS ONE? . 
          KEN, COME ON BACK. 
          CAN'T YOU GET OUTTA THIS? I DID TAKE A SHOWER. 
          THESE GUYS LET DO THE SECRET. 
          I'LL RUN YOU OFF. 
          TURNING, TURNING DOWN THE AIR CONDITIONER. 
          GO GET YOU MORE HOT COFFEE THERE. 
          I FINALLY DRINK MORE COFFEE HERE, BUT HIGH COFFEE. 
          HE'S GOT COLD. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          FIX THAT. 
          WELCOME BACK. 
          HE'S STILL BEEN HERE 25 YEARS, STILL LIKE, BE EASY ON HIM. 
          15 MINUTES. 
          HAVE WE EVER BEEN EASY ON YOU, BRIAN? NO. 
          ARE YOU OVER 25? YES. 
          40 EXCUSE EXTRA NICE TO, SO QUEENS LAKE DAMAGE SPILLWAY. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THE TOP, GO THROUGH SOME, UH, A LITTLE HISTORY WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          AND THEN I GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, AGREEMENTS, UH, BOARD RESOLUTIONS AND, AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS. 
          SO AS MANY OF YOU, WE DID A, I GUESS, A WORK SESSION ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. 
          THE, UH, THE DAMAGE SPILLWAY WERE CONSTRUCTED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE STATE AND COUNTY STORMWATER REGULATIONS OR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. 
          THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF STORMWATER, UH, DRAINAGE FLOW THAT PASSES THROUGH THE BASIN AND THE COUNTY STORMWATER 
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EASEMENT INTO QUEENS LAKE. 
          AND, UH, AN AREA KNOWN AS PRINCESS POND. 
          UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE DRAINAGE FROM, UH, INTERSTATE 64 PARTS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. 
          AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THAT ALSO DRAIN INTO THIS BASIN. 
          SO HOW DID WE GET TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW? IS, SO, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THE GOOD OFFICES, UH, STARTED TO WORK WITH, UH, QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY REACHED OUT TO US, I GUESS IT WAS, UH, SPRING OF 2022. 
          AND WHAT THEY GOT HUNG UP WITH WAS IN 2020 DCR CHANGED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DAM INSPECTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAME IN AND HELPED THEM WITH SOME PERMITTING TO GET IT CLASSIFIED AS A LOW HAZARD DAM. 
          UM, THE ISSUE WITH THAT WAS IF, IF IT STAYED THERE AND WE DIDN'T WORK UNDER THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, THE PUBLIC ROAD WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE. 
          WHICH ROUTE? SEVEN 16 FOR SCHOOL BUSES AND EMERGENCY SERVICES VEHICLES. 
          SO IS THAT THE ROAD OVER THE DAM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASSISTING QUEENS LAKE, YOU KNOW, THERE ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY HAVE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE, UH, AS PART OF OUR GOOD NEIGHBOR, GOOD OFFICES, UM, PROGRAM. 
          SO ALL OF THIS AFTER ANOTHER WORK SESSION, UM, CULMINATED IN A BOARD RESOLUTION R 22 1 37, WHICH GAVE THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THEN, UH, AN ABILITY TO, UH, EXECUTE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH QUEENS LAKE. 
          SO THE MEMORANDUM OF, OF UNDERSTANDING, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT THIS IN YOUR READ AHEAD. 
          I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A MONTH, MONTH, SIX WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, IT KIND OF OUTLINES THE MUTUAL COLLABORATION AND AGREEMENTS BETWEEN, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE, UH, QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO INCLUDE POINTS OF CONTACT, UM, SOME OTHER INTERESTING PIECES OR MAJOR PIECES OF IT. 
          THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE THE LEAD IN PROJECT MANAGEMENT PERMITTING, AS WELL AS COORDINATION, UH, WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, DCR. 
          AND THEN QUEENS LAKE WOULD ASSIST THE COUNTY WITH OBTAINING THE EASEMENTS AND THEN MAKE A ONE-TIME CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION OF $110,000. 
          AND THEN AN ONGOING ANNUAL, UH, CONTRIBUTION OF $20,000 FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND PERMITTING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS. 
          BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ORGANIZED HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY INTO, DO THEY? SO THERE IS GONNA FINANCE IT. 
          THERE IS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, SOME OF THEM ARE, AND SOME OF THEM AREN'T. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT MANDATORY LIKE IN KEIL CREEK WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO BE, IT'S VOLUNTARY, HAS PAY. 
          DOUG ELLIS SAID HE MIGHT COME TONIGHT. 
          TOLD ME TOO. 
          'CAUSE HE COULDN'T SPEAK. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES FROM THE PROJECT IS IT WOULD BE A, UM, A SUSTAINABLE, UH, MANAGEMENT STORM, WATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN. 
          IT WOULD ASSURE THE ROUTE SEVEN 16 AND THE PUBLIC ROAD ACCESS REMAINS VIABLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, VDOT, UH, WHILE THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE ROAD WILL TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY OF THE, THE DAM, UH, GETS US IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, DCR, UH, REGULATIONS. 
          AND OVER, UH, SO WE GOT THE TIME. 
          THERE WAS A SLT GRANT, UH, GIVEN TO US, UH, FOR MATCHING FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AROUND $2 MILLION. 
          SO I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE TWO PIECES TO THIS PROJECT. 
          ONE OF 'EM IS THE DAM IN THE SPILLWAY, WHICH, UH, QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS ALREADY BOUGHT SOME WETLAND CREDITS FOR, UH, THE DAM. 
          UH, THE SPILLWAY WORK, UH, WOULD INVOLVE, UH, SHEET PILES AROUND THE CONCRETE SPILLWAY. 
          UH, THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP RIGHT UP THE ROAD ON ROUTE 17 THAT WAS PUT IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION TO QUEENS LAKE, WHICH IS THE, UH, DAM AT THE NEWPORT NEWS RESERVOIR. 
          OH, YES. 
          THAT YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, DRIVEN BY THERE. 
          THEY'VE DONE SOME WORK AND THEY'VE PUT SHEET PILES TO PROTECT, UNDERMINING OF THE CONCRETE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE OTHER PART OF THIS WOULD 
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INVOLVE SOME WORK TO THE RAVINES, UH, TO, TO STOP EROSION. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER OVERALL GOAL OF LIMITING, UH, THE SPEED OF THE WATER TRAVELING IN THESE RAVINES, UH, TO CUT DOWN ON SILTATION AND, UH, BUILDUP IN PRINCESS POND AND, AND THE LAKE. 
          UM, SO WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT. 
          I'LL, I'LL LET JOE, MR. BROGAN TALKED TO THIS SLIDE. 
          HE CAN GIVE YOU A UPDATE. 
          SO KEEP IN MIND THERE'S TWO PARTS, DAM AND SPILLWAY AND RAVINES. 
          AND HE CAN TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH PURCHASING. 
          SO RAVINE AND LAKE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, UH,  PLANS FOR THE, UH, DAM IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. 
          THE SPILLWAY, WE EXPECT TO GO TO BID IN, UM, JULY FOR THOSE. 
          UM, THE, THE RAVINES, WE'VE ALSO GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT PLANS FOR THEM. 
          AND WE'VE GOT PERMITS FOR, UH, THE DAM AND SPILLWAY AND THE RAVINES AT THIS POINT. 
          SO THERE'S NO REAL, UM, SHOULDN'T BE ANY MAJOR HURDLES TO GET THROUGH. 
          UM, AND WE EXPECT TO GO AND BID FOR THOSE IN AUGUST. 
          AUGUST. 
          SO, JOE, I GOT A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          HERE, I'VE HEARD, HEARD ALL THE BRIEFING HERE. 
          I HAVEN'T IN THIS STATE'S TITLE, DREDGING. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          WHERE IS THE DREDGING GONNA OCCUR? DREDGING GETTING TOLD IS A VERY MUCH, VERY BIG DIFFERENCE, UH, ISSUE. 
          UM, IS IT GONNA BE DREDGING? THERE'S NO, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT DISCUSSING WE'RE TIME. 
          WE'RE GETTING ALL AROUND THERE. 
          PAINT. 
          WAIT, WAIT. 
          HERE WE PUT THE CANDLES DOWN. 
          BE PATIENT. 
          GO AHEAD, FINISH. 
          I'M GIVE THE STORY, SIR. 
          I'M OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          I THINK IT'S THE NEXT, AH, HERE WE GO. 
          HERE YOU GO. 
          SO, QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCI ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, HAS REACHED OUT FOR SOME MORE ASSISTANCE WITH DREDGING IN THE REMOVAL OF THE SILT FROM BOTH PRINCESS POND AND PART OF THE HEADQUARTERS OF THE LAKE. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY COSTS FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK. 
          UM, IT'S A COUPLE YEARS OLD. 
          IT WAS RIGHT AT $17 MILLION. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. 
          NOW, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER? I MEAN, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DREDGING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SHOULD BE HELPING WITH THIS. 
          SO I, I SHOULD HAVE READ THAT PART IN THE, IN THE READ ALONE. 
          SO IT WAS, DO YOU KNOW THE, AH, YEAH. 
          THE, THE, THE 17 MILLION IS THE, UM, IS THE, UH, PINNACLE OF THE RESTORING THE LEG TO ITS, UH, ORIGINAL DEPTH. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S LESSER THINGS YOU CAN DO, BUT THAT WAS HUNDRED FEET. 
          I MEAN, TELL ME WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          SO BA THE, UM, ABOUT HALF OF THE LEG HAS EXPERIENCED, UM, SIGNIFICANT CONSULTATION OVER THE A HUNDRED YEARS IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE. 
          UM, THEY SAY THE HOA MEMBERS OF QUEENS LAKE HAVE SAID THAT IT WAS DRASTICALLY ESCALATED WITH THE WORK BEING DONE ON, UH, INTERSTATE 64 . 
          UM, ALWAYS HEAR THAT, BUT I MEAN, I'M SERIOUSLY, I MEAN, ARE WE, ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YARDS OFF THE WHOLE LAKE OR HALF THE LAKE? OR ARE YOU TAKING THAT YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          PRETTY MUCH. 
          IT COST US $17 MILLION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          PART OF THE CURVE BALLS IS WITH THIS PROJECT WOULD ALSO BE, IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL YEARS IN PERMITTING. 
          UH, ONE THING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, DRIVE THE COST UP VERY HIGH IS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE SPOILS? DO YOU REMOVE THEM OFF THE SITE PART OF THE PROBLEM? YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, OR IS THERE SOMEBODY WILLING TO TAKE? AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH THE CORE. 
          ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE PROGRESSED TO THAT POINT, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH $17 MILLION? WE GOTTA, UH, COST ESTIMATE FROM AH, ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          AND WHAT IS BASED ON, THEY, UH, HAD SOME, UM, ESTIMATES MADE IT, UM, UM, TAPS OF THE LEG AND SILTATION OF THE LEG FROM, UM, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          AND, UH, YOU COULD SEE THE VEGETATION, UH, ENCOURAGEMENT INTO WHAT WAS WATER. 
          AND IT'S NOW, UM, FOREST OR, UH, GRASS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S ALSO WAS A, NOW I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND STREAM RESTORATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND THE, THE, WE THE NEED TO FLOW, UM, STORM WATER AND, AND WE'RE SAVINGS. 
          WE'RE WE'RE BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA REDO THE DAM. 
          AND WE PROMISED WE'D DO ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT $17 MILLION IS GONNA BUY. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD TO, I MEAN, YOU ONLY NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN A COUPLE FEET. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE OUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT. 
          OH, THE ORIGINAL, THE DAM, WHAT IS IT GOING BACK TO THE ICE AGE OR WHAT? SO, 'CAUSE I MEAN THE, THE POINT IS THERE'S SOME LIMIT HERE. 
          WHAT WE GONNA PUT UP WITH. 
          SO THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE HISTORICAL OF THE LAKE AND THEN WORKING WITH QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION THAT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF PICTURES. 
          HISTORICAL TO WHAT, WHAT WHAT DATA PERIOD. 
          THE, THE, THE DATA FROM WHERE THE LAKE, THE DEPTHS WERE, WERE IN THE PAST. 
          BUT HERE'S THE KICKER TO IT. 
          UM, THE STATE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE 
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THE LAKE OR PRINCESS POND AS A BMP. 
          OH. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG, IT WAS BUILT BEFORE REGULATIONS. 
          BMPS ARE BASICALLY, MAN, WE BUILD BMPS. 
          NATURE BUILDS LAKES. 
          SO, SO IS THIS A MED A MANMADE? YES. 
          THIS WAS A MAN MADE B BUT IT'S NOT A A BM BECAUSE IT EXES OUT. 
          THEY, THE RENT BUILT LONG REGULAT REGULATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SELF ENCLOSED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WORK IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF AGREEMENT. 
          BUT WE HAVE TALKED WITH, UM, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN UP, UH, TO THE, UH, QUEENS LAKE, HOA MEETINGS. 
          AND, UH, MR. SCHUMACHER WAS THERE, I BELIEVE THAT WAS HIS NAME, RIGHT? FROM JOE SCHUMACHER? YEAH. 
          UH, MR. WHITMAN'S OFFICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU RECALL THAT WE REQUESTED HELP FROM MR. WHITMAN MM-HMM . 
          CONGRESSMAN WHITMAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ABOUT A YEAR AGO. 
          YES. 
          TO SUPPORT US ON THOSE ARE ISSUE AND, AND WHO HAD THE QUESTION, COULD HE BRING FEDERAL HELP? I MEAN, I MEAN, PUT IT, I I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WE DO GOLD PLATE THIS THING, RIGHT? SO, SO THE, YOU GOT, HOW MANY ACRES OF LAKE ARE WE LOOKING AT? WELL, I, I THINK BEFORE YOU EVEN GO THERE TO THE WHOLE PROCESS IS LET'S GET, UH, DECISION OR INPUT FROM THE CORE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF GETTING TO, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME WAYS THIS IS BEING PRESENTED IS THAT WE'RE GONNA GET READY TO BUY IN. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND AND SAY, PAINT THE PICTURE. 
          I, UH, AS THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS GUY, I'M, I'M COMING TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE. 
          I, UH, YEAH, BUT LET'S, I'LL BACK OFF. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, BOTH WITH THE CORE. 
          THERE ARE ANYWHERE FROM A 25 TO 35% MATCH. 
          IF THE COUNTY WAS TO TAKE ON THIS ENDEAVOR, THE COUNTY SHARE WOULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO $6 MILLION. 
          BUT THE COUNTY IS TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY FIRST. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE A MATCH PAID FOR IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND I, UH, THAT FOUR TO $6 MILLION IS PROBABLY THE ENTIRE COUNTY STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          LET'S, LET'S STOP. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THIS OVER SIX. 
          THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE COMING TO PRESENT. 
          I'M JUST, WE HAVE AN OPTION TO GO FORWARD AND GET THE CORPS OF ENGINEER TO WORK ON A STUDY ON WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED LONG TERM FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS LAKE. 
          IT, THE STUDY REQUIRES ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF WHICH THAT IS FULLY FUNDED BY FEDERAL MONIES PROVIDED WE SIGNED A NON-BINDING LETTER OF INTENT. 
          AND SO THE INTENT WAS TO COME HERE AND ASK DOES WELL THE COURT SUPPORT GOING FORWARD. 
          I WITH A NON-BINDING, I WAS LETTER OF INTENT SO THAT WE CAN GET THE COURT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. SHEPHERD HAS BEEN ASKING. 
          I WAS JUST, WHICH I HAVE BEEN ASKING , YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA SAY, IT TAKES A LETTER OF INTENT FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          WE'RE THINK DAVE, WE PUT IT, WE PUT IT IN SOME PERSPECTIVE. 
          NOW, HEY, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE ASK WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO HERE ASK IS DO WE SUPPORT GOING FORWARD WITH A LETTERMAN INTENT TO HELP THE COURT HERE DO AN ENGINEERING STUDY ON WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED LONG TERM TO WE WE'RE NOT BOUND BY BOUND. 
          WE'RE WE'RE NOTATIONAL. 
          OF COURSE, WE LET RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THEY ASK FOR THE STUDY BECAUSE THEN YOU GOTTA COME BACK AND TELL US HOW MUCH THE STUDY'S GONNA COST. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY, WHEN WE GET TO THE BACKSIDE OF IT, HOW MUCH IT COST, THE STUDY WILL TO RECONSIDER THE FEDERAL MONIES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          SO JUST WANNA PROVE A STUDY YOU GOTTA DO IS JUST SAY, YES, THAT'S EASY. 
          DOES THE STUDY INCLUDE UNDERSTANDING? IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING. 
          UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE, WHERE THE COMING FROM UNDER, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE S CAME FROM, BUT IT GIVES US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CORRECTION. 
          AND THEN FROM CONGRESSMAN WHITMAN'S STANDPOINT, HE THEN HAS CORPS OF ENGINEERING SUPPORT FOR WHY HE WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE IT TO SOME OF THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS AND SAY THIS, YOU NEED TO BUY INTO SOME OF THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S A BIG PART OF THIS EQUATION IS ISN'T IT JUST FIXING THE PROBLEMS? THIS TODAY IT'S FROM HAPPEN. 
          LET'S GET THE POLITICAL CAPITAL IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE LONGER TERM AND HAVE . 
          NOW THE QUESTION IS, HOW LONG WAS THIS GONNA TAKE? THE TIME FROM THE TIME WE APPLIED TO SEND THE LETTER OF IT TO THE COURT AND THE COURT RESPONDS? IT'S A ROLLING, I THINK BOTH OF 'EM ARE ROLLING. 
          SO, SO BASICALLY THE LETTER INTENT WILL PUT US IN THE RUNNING WITH PROJECTS NATIONWIDE. 
          IT'S UM, SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS, THAT'S WHAT I THINKING. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO WE CAN GET THE LETTERS IN AND THEN IT'S A WAITING GAME. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO SEE IF THEY HAVE FIRST STEP FIRST. 
          YEAH. 
          TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. 
          I MEAN THAT WAS, I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING ABOUT TO OKAY. 
          KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO YET. 
          WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING SOME REALLY HEAVY STUFF HERE. 
          WE'RE DOWN IN THE WEED OF ACCUSED EXPRESSION. 
          CONGRESSMAN IS TRYING TO WORK, DON'T NEED WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR AND HE NEEDS MORE DATA AND HE NEEDS THE CORE TO PROVIDE THAT DATA. 
          QUESTIONS TO BE MILLION DOLLARS. 
          LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE VOTING? SO WHAT DO 
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WE NEED TO VOTE TO VOTE? CONSENSUS. 
          CONSENSUS. 
          CORRECT. 
          IS THERE, I THINK, IS THERE CONSENSUS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD? YES, THERE IS. 
          I'M WITH STATE. 
          I'M OKAY WITH STATE. 
          LET'S GO. 
          WE'RE SPENDING FEDERAL MONEY. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU JUST GET A BIG JET DRY BOAT, JET DRY BOAT TIED THE BIO UP TO THE, TO THE SHORE AND JUST BLOW ALL THAT STUFF OUT. 
          THE OTHER END OF THE LAKE IN . 
          GET, THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU JUST NEED TO GET SOME OF THOSE WATERMEN WITH, UH, TELLING, HAULING A MATTRESS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THE NEXT THING I STILL 
          [4* VA 250 Update. Presentation by James Scruggs, Dockmaster, and Heidi Speece, Content Marketing Specialist. ]
DO IT ON THE AGENDA IS A VIRGINIA TWO 50 UPDATE. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT JIMMY SCRUGGS. 
          HEIDI, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT GUY OVER THERE. 
          I DON'T RECOGNIZE JUST, I WAS JUST, I WAS THINKING EXACTLY THE SAME THING. 
          I DIDN'T WANNA SAY IT. 
          EVEN COGNIZE. 
          OH MY GOD. 
          WHERE'S YOUR CAPTAIN'S HAT? I, BUT YOU LOOK GREAT . 
          NO. 
          LINK TO THIS ONE. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, HEIDI IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT VA TWO 51ST. 
          LET HER START. 
          OKAY, WELL GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, MY NAME'S HEIDI SP I'M THE CONTENT MARKETING SPECIALIST. 
          AND, UH, TONIGHT, UH, I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME UPDATES ON THE VA TWO 50 HERE IN YORK COUNTY. 
          AND, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, THE VA TWO 50 IS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE THAT'S, UH, PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, MUSEUMS, NONPROFITS AND SUCH. 
          AND, UH, THEY RECENTLY CAME OUT WITH A SHORT VIDEO TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE CELEBRATING. 
          AND THAT IS OUR HERITAGE. 
          AND THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES FROM THE FIRST ENGLISH SETTLEMENT AT JAMESTOWN, TO THE SURRENDER OF THE BRITISH AT YORKTOWN FROM GIVING ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH TO ALL MEN, ARE CREATED EQUAL FROM WASHINGTON AND JEFFERSON TO MADISON AND MASON, FROM POWHATAN AND POCAHONTAS TO JAMES ARMSTEAD, LAFAYETTE AND GOWAN PAMPHLET FROM THE IDEAS THAT INSPIRED IT TO THE BATTLEFIELDS THAT DECIDED THERE IS SIMPLY NO AMERICA WITHOUT A NO BETTER TIME THAN NOW TO RECONNECT WITH YOUR COUNTRY IN A PLACE THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE. 
          OUR INVOLVEMENT IN YORK COUNTY WILL EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO OCTOBER 19TH, 2031. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE FROM THE YORKTOWN TEA PARTY ANNIVERSARY, SOME OF THE CLOSE PARTNERSHIPS WE'VE DEVELOPED. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THE JAMESTOWN YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, THE COLONIAL SEAPORT FOUNDATION, THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, DIFFERENT REENACTMENT GROUPS, AND THE VA TWO 50. 
          AND IN 2025, WE HAVE THREE EVENTS THAT ARE KIND OF OUR SIGNATURE EVENTS. 
          ONE HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE, UH, AND IT WAS TWO LIGHTS FOR TOMORROW. 
          AND THIS TOOK PLACE ON THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF PAUL REVERE'S RIDE. 
          AND IT STARTED AS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE AND IT EXTENDED THROUGHOUT THE, THE ENTIRE NATION. 
          UH, WE HAD, UH, WHAT WE ASKED PEOPLE TO DO WAS PLACE TWO LIGHTS IN THEIR WINDOWS TO SIGNIFY THE ONE IF BY LAND AND TWO IF BY SEA. 
          AND, UH, WE HAD THE WHITE HOUSE, NASA GOT INVOLVED, THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING, BUT THERE WAS ONE LOCALITY THAT, UM, RECEIVED WORD THAT PER CAPITA, THEY HAD THE MOST PARTICIPATION. 
          CAN ANYONE GUESS WHICH ONE THAT WAS? , YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA. 
          SO WE HAD OVER 20 PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT PARTICIPATED IN COUNTLESS CITIZENS. 
          UH, WE EVEN HAD PEOPLE GOING OUT TO THE GRAVESTONES OF VETERANS AND SERVICE MEMBERS AND PLACING VO ON THE GRAVES. 
          SO IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY 
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GREAT EVENT. 
          OUR NEXT EVENT WILL BE ACTUALLY THIS WEEKEND. 
          IT IS THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF LORD DUN MOORE'S, UH, VIRGINIA CAMPAIGN. 
          WE ARE COMMEMORATING THIS, NOT CELEBRATING IT. 
           YEAH. 
          WONDER. 
          WE GOOGLE IT. 
          UH, BECAUSE, UH, HE IS THE GENTLEMAN WHO EMPTIED THE MAGAZINE IN WILLIAMSBURG OF THE AMMUNITION AND THEN PROCEEDED TO ATTACK, UM, UP AND DOWN THE, UH, YORK RIVER IN THAT. 
          SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REENACTMENTS, UM, THE LUNA, THE, UH, SHIP YOU SEE IN THE CENTER. 
          THERE WILL BE BACK AND SERVING AS THE BACKDROP. 
          WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE, UM, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          AND, UH, THE VA TWO 50 MOBILE MUSEUM EXPERIENCE WILL BE HERE AS WELL. 
          AND THAT WILL BE AT THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION MUSEUM AT YORKTOWN. 
          AND OUR LAST EVENT, UNFORTUNATELY THE BRITISH ARE STICKING WITH US . 
          WE JUST HAVE TO STICK IT OUT TILL 2026. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS A REMARKABLE EVENT. 
          WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE ON THIS. 
          IT'S CALLED BEFORE THE SIEGE. 
          AND WE, WE RECREATE WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE WHEN THE BRITISH INVADED YORKTOWN BEFORE THE SIEGE AT YORKTOWN. 
          AND WE BRING HISTORIC MAIN STREET AND THE BATTLEFIELDS TO LIFE AT READOUTS NINE AND 10. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR SEPTEMBER 6TH AND SEVENTH. 
          AND THAT, HOW, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE'VE HAD REENACTOR OUT THERE ON THE BATTLEFIELD? WE'VE HAD THEM, UM, IN, IN SMALL, UH, LAST YEAR WE DID A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE EVEN BIGGER, THIS SCALE. 
          THAT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAMES TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER BIG EVENT. 
          SO NEXT YEAR WILL BE, OH YES, 2026 WILL BE THE SALE YORKTOWN FESTIVAL. 
          UM, THAT'S GREAT. 
          COMMEMORATING T ANNIVERSARY OF 1776. 
          IF SOME OF Y'ALL REMEMBER IN 2012, WE HAD AN ELL EVENT HERE, AND IT WAS TO COMMEMORATE THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE WAR OF 1812. 
          UH, THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE A, A HUGE NATIONWIDE EVENT, NOT ONLY NATIONWIDE, KIND OF WORLDWIDE. 
          WE'VE GOT SHIPS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, UM, THAT WILL START IN NEW ORLEANS AND COME UP THE EAST COAST. 
          WE ARE AN AFFILIATE HARBOR OF SAIL, VIRGINIA, NORFOLK. 
          AND OUR WEEKEND WILL BE JUNE 12TH, 13TH AND 14TH, THE WEEKEND BEFORE THAT. 
          UH, WE ARE IN TALKS NOW WITH, UM, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SHIPS LOOKING AT COMING. 
          UM, AND AS WE GET UPDATES AND CONFIRMATIONS WITH THEM, WE WILL BE LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT SHIPS WILL BE COMING. 
          UM, LIKE IN 2012, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF STUFF ON THE WATER. 
          UM, BUT THIS EVENT WILL BE EXPANDED THROUGHOUT YORKTOWN, ALL THE WAY TO THE MOOREHOUSE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UP TO THE CEMETERY, TO THE AMERICAN VOLUTION MUSEUM, TO THE, UM, THE BEACH. 
          WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY USE EVERY ASPECT THAT WE HAVE TO SPREAD THAT AROUND, UM, THROUGH EVERYTHING IN TOWN. 
          THE SHIP THERE IS A GUIDE SPEED, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY A YP YARD, PATROL BOAT. 
          UM, SO JUST LIKE 2012, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE NAVY, US COAST GUARD VESSELS, HOPEFULLY. 
          UM, SOME NEW THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD BEFORE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN ON THE RIVER, BUT HAVE NOT STOPPED IN YORKTOWN BEFORE. 
          UM, WE WORKED WITH, AND WE WILL BE WORKING AGAIN WITH FORT EUSTIS. 
          SO HOPEFULLY ALL ENCOMPASSING INVOLVED BRANCHES OF THE MILITARY AS WELL AS OUR MARINE BOAT AND OUR VMRC OFFICERS TO HELP US OUT WITH EVERYTHING. 
          UM, EVERYONE REALLY ENJOYS GOING ON OUR SERVICE VESSELS, THE MILITARY VESSELS, AND THE TALL SHIPS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE A HUGE ATTRACTION AND A HUGE DRAW. 
          UM, WE WILL BE THE WEEKEND BEFORE HARBOR FEST AND THEIR EVENT, ONCE THE SHIPS AND EVERYTHING'S HERE THAT WILL GO TO THERE. 
          AFTER THAT THEY'LL TRAVEL UP THE COAST. 
          SO ARE YOU SEEING THE DATES THE 12TH TO THE 14TH? YES. 
          MA OR YOU SEE THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL BE HERE? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AND WHAT TIME IS IT GONNA BE IN? WE WILL, WILL HAVE, WE'RE GONNA WORK AROUND RIGHT NOW, OUR SCHEDULE OF EVENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL, I KNOW THERE WILL BE A PARADE OF SALE ON FRIDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER THE PARADE OF SALE, WE WILL HAVE FREE DECK TOURS ON ALL OF OUR VESSELS AS WELL AS A LOT OF OTHER ENTER ENTERTAINMENT. 
          UM OKAY. 
          AND STUFF THROUGHOUT. 
          AND THEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WILL BE A MORE EXTENDED VISITATION, MORE EXTENDED FREE DECK TOURS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WITH THAT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE COAST GUARD BACK. 
          THEY DID A SAR DEMO, WHICH IS SEARCH AND RESCUE DEMO IN 2012 WHERE THEY HAD A BOAT, THEY PUT THAT UP IN SMOKE AND CAME OVER IN A HELICOPTER AND JUMPED OUT OF IT AND RESCUED THE PEOPLE. 
          AND WE HAD THE RIVER ON RIVERINE COME AND DO DEMONSTRATIONS, NAVY SEALS ON, ON THEIR BOATS. 
          UM, SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEMONSTRATIONS OUT THERE ON LAND AND IN THE WATER. 
          WE ARE WORKING ON OUR WEBSITE AND IT'LL BE, HAVE ALL OF OUR UPDATES AS WELL AS OUR SCHEDULED EVENT. 
          HOPEFULLY 
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THE SOONER THE BETTER. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS WE SPEAK. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          HAVE YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S VERY EXCITING. 
          IT'S A LOT OF WORK. 
          IT'S EXCITING, IT'S FUN. 
          IT IS. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          UM, BACK IN WHEN WE WERE CELEBRATING THE 200TH, THE BICENTENNIAL, UM, I REMEMBER THERE WAS, AND WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY DO IT NOW BECAUSE THE BEACH HAS CHANGED SO MUCH. 
          BUT BACK THEN I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD STANDS ON THE BEACH FOR PEOPLE TO SIT IN AND THE MARINES, THE MILITARY DID MOCK BEACH LANDINGS THERE. 
          THEY DID MOCK RAFER RUNS WITH HELICOPTERS UP AND DOWN THE BEACH AND SO FORTH. 
          AND SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HERE OR SOMETHING, IT COULD BE, WE WERE WORKING ON SOME THINGS, UM, WITH ALL THE MILITARY, THEY'RE COMING, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING SOME CHALLENGES BETWEEN THE BRANCHES OF MILITARY AND DOING SOME STUFF LIKE THAT ON THE BEACH. 
          WE'LL SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF REALLY NEAT THINGS THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN HERE OR HAD HERE THAT, UM, I THINK ARE GONNA BE REALLY GREAT IN BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AND SHOWCASE WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          AND WHO ALL IS WORKING ON THIS IN THE COUNTY? THE, THE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT VERY DILIGENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE TWO SMILE. 
          AND WILL THE DOC MASTER BE READY? IS ALWAYS READY. 
          IT IT SHOULD. 
          I'M ALWAYS RIGHT. 
          I'M AT THE BUILDING. 
          IT'LL BE BROKEN IN BY THAT. 
          WE'LL BE READY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          YEAH, WE, WE, I, THAT'S LUCKY. 
          WE GOT, WE GOT EXCUSE. 
          WE GOT ONE CHANCE TO DO A 250 CELEBR. 
          TWO 50 CELEBRATION. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S GO ALL OUT AND GET, GET IT RIGHT. 
          SO YES SIR. 
          YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE MARTINO ORDERS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          REALLY EXCITING ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I LOVE THE VIDEO. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS, I DID TOO. 
          I, THAT WAS SUPER, DID WAS THAT OUR VIDEO? DO? WHO DID THAT VIDEO? VA TWO 50. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY OKAY. 
          AND THEY DID THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD ON THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW 
          [CONSENT CALENDAR ]
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE ARE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          NUMBER SIX IS THE VDOT PROJECT AGREEMENT FOR VIC BOULEVARD CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT PROJECT. 
          AND NUMBER SEVEN IS THE APPROVAL OF THE ARTS COMMISSION FUNDING. 
          NUMBER EIGHT IS THE SPONSORSHIP RESOLUTION TO STUDY POTENTIAL ZONING ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENTS REGARDING SMALL MODULAR REACTORS, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING ONE. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A PURCHASE RESOLUTION VILLAGE. 
          OH, I LIKE THIS ONE TOO. 
          UH, 208 TROLLEYS. 
          THESE ARE THE SMALLER TROLLEYS. 
          ABOUT TWO EIGHT OF THEM. 
          ? YES. 
          . 
          IT'S THE MODEL NUMBER. 
          RIGHT? ITEM NUMBER TWO, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER 10, IN MODULAR CLASSROOMS, THIS IS A HAZARDOUS WASTE, UH, TRAINING FACILITY AND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMONWEALTH 11 IS A RETIREMENT RESOLUTION FOR FIRE CHIEF STEVEN KSKY. 
          UH, NO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING FROM FOR DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT 10, JUST TO GIVE ABOUT WHAT NUMBER 10? JUST NUMBER 10. 
          THE MODULE THAT I, YES, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. 
          WHO, WHO'S HANDLING THAT? MARK. 
          STEVE, COME JOIN US ONE MORE TIME. 
          . 
          SO, AS A MATTER OF BACKGROUND, UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UH, WE ENTERED INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH VIRGINIA PARTNER OF ARTS MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, AND, UH, THEY HAD OCCUPIED A FACILITY IN ASHLAND FOR MANY YEARS TO DO THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TRAINING FOR ALL THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TECHNICIANS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          THEY, UH, HAD TO MOVE OUT OF THAT FACILITY. 
          THEY CAME TO US AND AT THE TIME WE WERE USING A CLASSROOM  AT DOMINION POWER. 
          AND SO THEY ACCEPT SOME MAKE MAKESHIFT, UH, OPERATIONS THERE TO TRAIN FOLKS. 
          AND THEN, UH, THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT A MORE PERMANENT ARRANGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THROUGH, UH, SIGNIFICANT EFFORT WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, AND SOME GRANT FUNDS THAT THEY HAD RECEIVED, AS WELL AS, UH, THE FACT THAT WE HAD PROPERTY BEHIND FIRE STATION SIX, UH, WE DEVELOPED THE, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, C-B-R-N-E, UH, TRAINING FACILITY, UH, WHEREBY HAS THIS MATERIALS TECHNICIANS AND ADVANCED TECH, ADVANCED HAZARD MATERIALS RESPONDERS FROM ACROSS COMMONWEALTH COME TO THAT FACILITY TO OBTAIN TRAINING. 
          WE USE IT FOR OUR OWN HAZARDOUS MATERIALS 
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TRAINING. 
          WE USE A FACILITY FOR, UH, OUR RECRUIT SCHOOLS MM-HMM . 
          UH, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER FUNCTIONS. 
          SO WHEN IT WAS SET UP, UH, THERE WAS, WE WERE OPERATING ON A SHOESTRING. 
          WE LOCATED, UH, USED CLASSROOM TRAILERS THAT CAME FROM THE SCHOOLS. 
          AND SCHOOLS WERE GETTING RID OF MODULAR CLASSROOMS, UH, HAD THEM RENOVATED SOMEWHAT. 
          UH, AND THEY HAVE JUST GOTTEN WAY PAST THEIR, UH, USEFUL LIFE. 
          AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REPLACE THOSE FACILITIES WITH MODULAR CLASSROOMS THAT, UH, WHERE WE WILL ENTER INTO A LEASE WITH COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, UH, FOR THE FUNDING OF THOSE, UH, ANNUAL FUNDING TO, UH,  COST OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          YOU HAD, YOU HIT UPON A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          ONE LOCATION YOU SET BEHIND STATION SIX, REMIND ME WHERE THAT'S AT AGAIN? BACK CREEK FIRE STATION SIX IS IN, AND BY THE WAY, THAT FACILITY, UH, IS, THE FIRE STATION SITE IS ABOUT SEVEN ACRES. 
          AND THAT WHEN WE CONSTRUCTED THE FIRE STATION, AMACO ACTUALLY DONATED THE PROPERTY FOR THAT, FOR THAT FIRE STATION AND THE ADJACENT LAND OF WHICH THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TRAINING FACILITY IS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND ANOTHER QUESTION YOU ANSWERED FOR ME WAS, EVERYBODY ALL ACROSS VIRGINIA WILL COME HERE, MAKE USE OF IT. 
          SO JUST THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TRAINING COURSES THAT, UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CONDUCTED LAST YEAR, UH, THERE WERE ABOUT ALMOST, UH, 13,000, ALMOST 14,000 HOURS OF TRAINING THERE. 
          THOSE FOLKS THAT COME HERE, UH, AND ATTEND THAT TRAINING, THEY TYPICALLY STAY IN HOTELS IN YORK COUNTY. 
          THEY GO TO OUR RESTAURANTS IN YORK COUNTY, THEY, ALL OF THAT. 
          UH, SO IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO US, NOT ONLY FOR HAVING THE TRAINING FACILITY HERE WHERE WE CAN USE FOR OUR PEOPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT ALSO, UH, THERE'S SOME ADDED VALUE FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE. 
           AND LA LAST QUESTION. 
          IS THIS PRACTICAL TRAINING OR JUST CLASSROOM TRAINING OR BOTH? BOTH. 
          THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF TRAINING PROPS. 
          THERE'S A FULL, THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RAIL CARS THAT, THAT ARE THERE. 
          UH, THERE ARE, UH, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, TRANSPORT, UH, TRAILERS THAT ARE THERE. 
          UH, THERE'S EVEN A RAIL CAR FROM THE LYNCHBURG DERAILMENT. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, IT'S SIGNIFICANT PRACTICAL TRAINING AS WELL AS, UH, UH, CLASSROOM TRAINING. 
          IT'S BACK. 
          THAT PUT MY EYES ON IT I'LL TO DO THAT. 
          SO, GOOD DATA. 
          THANK YOU STEVE, VERY MUCH. 
          CHAIRMAN, YOU GOT A QUESTION? ADDITIONAL QUESTION. 
          WHY MODULAR CLASSROOM? WELL, UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING IN OUR, OBVIOUSLY OUR CIP THE, THE IDEAL SITUATION WOULD BE BRICK AND MORTAR TYPE OF BUILDING. 
          UH, AND THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ATTEMPTED TO GET FUNDING FOR BRICK AND MORTAR CLASSROOMS AND WE'RE UNABLE TO DO SO. 
          SO THIS IS OUR SECOND BEST ARRANGEMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          SO YOU, SO WE JUST USE THE TRAILERS TO, YOU KNOW, THROW SMOKE BOMBS IN THERE AND HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF WANDER AROUND IN SOME OF THOSE TRAILERS, DON'T YOU? UH, NOT IN, NOT THIS FACILITY. 
          WE DO NOT, WE ACTUALLY CONDUCT THAT TYPE OF TRAINING. 
          WE COULD, WE DO IT AT SCHOOLS, BUT, UH, NORMALLY SMOKEHOUSE TRAINING AND THAT SORT OF THING WE DO AT THE PENINSULA LIVE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY, WHICH IS A REGIONAL INITIATIVE THAT'S LOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANYTHING, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          UM, OPEN DISCUSSION. 
          HAVE WE TALKED ENOUGH OR DO YOU SOME THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? HUH? UM, ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA, YOU GOTTA PROVE THIS. 
          OH, WE GOTTA MOVE THIS, DON'T WE? YES. 
          I'LL MOVE IT. 
          I'LL MOVE IT. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED. 
          MR. ROY? YES. 
          MR. DREWRY? YES. 
          MR. ROH? YES. 
          MR. SHEPHERD? YES. 
          MRS. NOEL? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [OPEN DISCUSSION]
NOW IT'S OPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, UH, FOR THE BOARD. 
          UM, IT, AND YOU DON'T LAUGH WHEN I BRING THIS UP, BUT IT'S, UM, IT DEALS WITH BARBED WIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BOB WIRE, WE DO NOT, YEAH. 
          WE DON'T, WE DO NOT HAVE, UH, IN OUR ORDINANCE A CAPABILITY TO, UM, APPROVE THE USE OF BARBED WIRE FOR PROTECTION AROUND BUSINESSES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAD RECENTLY WE HAD, UH, YOU'VE SEEN THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION GOING ON DOWN ON VICTORY BOULEVARD. 
          AND I USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          'CAUSE DICK ASH, YOU KNOW, WE, I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THIS AND THE ISSUE IS THAT HE HAD, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT SEVERAL 
          [01:40:01]
BUSINESSES IN THAT BUILDING DOWN THERE AND THEY'VE CLEARED IT UP AND HE'S PUT A NEW BLACK FENCE UP THERE. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN HE IS GONNA PUT SOME OTHER STUFF THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH. 
          BUT HE HAD MADE A REQUEST THAT, UM, THAT HE COULD USE SOME BARB WIRE ON THE TOP IN, IN A MANNER THAT WOULD NOT BE TOO DESTRUCTIVE, BUT TO, TO PROTECT HIS PROPERTY. 
          'CAUSE HE SAID HE HAD LIKE $15,000 WORTH OF STUFF ALREADY TAKEN OUT OF HIM. 
          'CAUSE THE FENCE THAT KEPT, THAT WAS TAKEN DOWN AND THEY, THEY WERE NOTICING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WAS STEALING IT HAD ACTUALLY PULLED UP ON THE SIDE THERE IN VICTORY, DROPPED SOMEBODY OFF, THEY'D GONE IN THERE, GOT TO, AND THEN THEY CAME THE CAR CAME BACK AROUND, PICKED THEM UP AND THEY'D TAKEN THE STUFF. 
          NOW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, AND ACTUALLY A VERY EASY STEAL BECAUSE THE FENCE WAS DOWN. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW THE BACK PART OF IT, UM, IS STILL, UH, IS STILL A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, SO I WENT TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND IT WAS, WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE PUTTING THE FENCE UP. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAD TO GET UP TO PROTECT, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY. 
          WELL, WE COULDN'T APPROVE THE USE OF BARB WIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY COULD NOT APPROVE THE USE OF BARB WIRE ON THE FOR PROTECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THE QUESTION WHY WE, WHY COULDN'T COURSE SUSAN, SHE'S HERE SOMEWHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WENT, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS AND UH, SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, TO DO THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE THE STATE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE, UH, TO ADDRESS IT. 
          UM, SO THE QUESTION GOES, WELL WE DON'T USE BARB WIRE IN YORK COUNTY. 
          WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, AND WE HAVE IT ON, I SUPPOSE IF YOU GO DOWN, YOU GO DOWN THE VICTORY BOULEVARD ON BOTH SIDES OF VICTORY BOULEVARD. 
          YOU GOT, YOU GOT THE OLD BOX WIRE FENCE WE CALL THAT USED TO CALL IT JUST BOX WIRE, WHAT THEY CALL IT NOW. 
          BUT, AND THEN IT'S, THERE'S A SPOT WIRE ACROSS TOP OF THE LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND PEOPLE THINK, WELL THAT KEEPS THE DEER FROM GOING. 
          OH NO, THAT DOES NOT ACTUALLY WHAT IT'S USED FOR IS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THE PROPERTY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          A DEER FLY OVER THAT AND, AND HEARTBEAT. 
          WELL THERE'S ALSO, NOT ONLY IS IT DONE BY THE STATE, BUT WE HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE CATTLE. 
          OKAY, SURE. 
          AND THEY'VE USED IT, WHICH IS PRETTY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT A ORIGINAL TENT, THEY COULD PUT AN ELECTRIC FENCE. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THERE, THERE IS, UM, UM, THERE IS ACTUALLY ON THAT PROPERTY, THE MR. ASHE'S PROPERTY, THERE IS BARBED WIRE ACROSS THE BACK ALREADY. 
          IT'S BEEN THERE. 
          SO WHY IS HE ASKING, WHY DOES HE JUST DO IT? BECAUSE, OH, BECAUSE IF YOU GO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DOT LAID BACK HERE. 
          ACTUALLY, MR. SHEPHERD, THERE IS NO BARBED WIRE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          I WALKED THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          MR. ASH. 
          I SAW IT, I SAW IT YESTERDAY. 
          IT'S THEN HE'S PUT IT UP ILLEGALLY. 
          NO, BECAUSE IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE. 
          I WALKED THE ENTIRE PERIMETER WITH MR. ASH. 
          I'VE SEEN IT. 
          IT IS A PIECE AT ONE STRAND OF BARB, BARB WIRE. 
          NO, I WALKED IT TOMORROW BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE BARBED WIRE WHEN I WALK IN. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL ANYWAY, LOOK AT IT THEN. 
          IT'S NOT LEGAL. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          WHAT DOES GET INTO THAT? HERE'S, I'M NOT, NOT BARB WIRE, I'M NOT INTO A DISTINCTION. 
          I'M NOT INTO TRYING TO MAKE THIS, UH, WE GONNA HAVE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, BARBED WIRE FENCED AROUND AND THAT'S NOT THE POINT. 
          BUT WITH, TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT PROBABLY FOR SURE TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEND IT DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SAY, HEY LOOK. 
          YEAH, PLAN COMMISSION. 
          LOOK AT THIS, SEE IF THERE'S SOME, SOME WAY WE CAN APPROVE THE USE OF BOT WIRE. 
          DOES THE COUNTY CODE DISALLOW IT? THE STATE IT IS, IT IS SILENT ON IT, WHICH MEANS IT'S PROHIBITED. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE IN THE STATE, BECAUSE IT'S A DUAL AND RULE STATE. 
          AND WE HAVE, UNLESS THE STATE US, WE CAN DO IT. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT. 
          CAN YOU USE RAISE WIRE? NO. 
          THAT'S PROHIBITIVE. 
          YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          THERE'S NOTHING ADDRESSES ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. 
          SO DOES, DOES THE STATE TELL ME THAT I CAN PUT UP PINK FLAMINGOS IN MY YARD AND IT DOESN DOESN'T, I MEAN, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU, BUT THAT WHOLE I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          AND I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          ON DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          I MEAN, I REMEMBER THE ISSUE, YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND THROW A FOOTBALL OR ALL THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          AND THERE'S THIS, THERE'S A, THERE IT GETS INTO THIS THING. 
          I'M NOT USE THE RIGHT TERM, BUT IT'S A COMMON, COMMON, COMMON LIFE THINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, THIS IS, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT HAVING ABILITY FOR HER. 
          OKAY. 
          IS WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT IS YOUR ROLE NOW? ZONING ADMINISTRATOR? NO, COME ON. 
          NO. 
          ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD USE AND STUFF. 
          IS THAT WHAT IT WHAT THAT FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN NEIGHBORHOOD USE? I MEAN, ALL RIGHT, I GET THAT. 
          BUT HERE'S MY POINT. 
          WE GOT, I'M, I'M PROPOSING THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE SEND A, WE SPONSOR A PACKAGE DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO STUDY THE USE OF BARBED WIRES, A PROTECTIVE, UH, ELEMENT FOR BUSINESSES. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF, AND THEY CAN COME UP WITH ANY OTHER THING, BUT IT'S JUST STUDY IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OR OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE THINKING AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE OR A PERMANENT MEASURE IF I DON'T CARE. 
          LET THEM COME UP WITH, COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          HOW TO USE THE STUFF. 
          IS I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. 
          YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO A RECOMMENDATION. 
          I MEAN PEOPLE, I MEAN THAT'S ALL IT IS. 
          LET THEM PROTECTIVE STUFF. 
          WOULD THERE, WOULD THERE BE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN BARBED WIRE AND RAZOR WIRE? THIS NO, I DON'T DISCUSS. 
          DON'T THINK SO. 
          BUT WE CAN LOOK. 
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BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST ANOTHER TAKE. 
          I KNOW TALK TO MARK, MARK GOES, WELL WE GOT, THEY GOT CAMERAS UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES CAMERAS ARE GOOD AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. 
          AND IF PEOPLE ARE GOING IN THERE STEALING STUFF AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE OR YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE, THE LICENSE PLATE OR WHATEVER, THEN IT'S NOT DOING, IT'S NOT POINTING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          SO IT'S JUST THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO ALLOW BUSINESSES TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY WHERE THAT'S NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ALL WE WANT TO DO IS, WHAT I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO DO IS LET'S JUST THE SPONSOR PACKAGE TO GO DOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO STUDY THAT AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. 
          THERE'S CERTAINLY BUSINESSES WITHIN YORK COUNTY, LIKE AMACO THAT HAVE BARBED WIRE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE BARBED WIRE, RIGHT? THEY DO. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES THE TOPIC MAKES PERFECT SENSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, AND UH, CAMP PERRY IS LOADED. 
          WELL, ALL THE, OH, THAT WAS THE OTHER PART. 
          MILITARY BASES. 
          SOME OF THE MILITARY BASES HAVE IT TOO. 
          THEY HAVE MORE THAN BARBED WIRE. 
          I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES, SO CAN'T SAY LIKE, TO BUY FENCES. 
          THAT'S, WE SHOULD PUT A CHARGE ON THIS FENCE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS FUN. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SET THE PLANNING. 
          WE'LL BE SENDING TO GOING THROUGH THIS AND WE'LL BE HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IN ABOUT IT. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          JUST, I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT APPROVAL HERE. 
          I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT GOING DOWN AND STUDY TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THAT, THAT WILL THEN ALLOW THE COUNTY TO GIVE A THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN ON A REQUEST. 
          ARCH COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          WHAT DO YOU SAY? I HAVE NO OPINION ON IT. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SHOULD 'CAUSE THIS THIS IS JUST US MAKING A REQUEST. 
          YEAH, THAT'S MAKING, THAT'S ALL. 
          THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SAID DO WE HAVE TO ASK THE, I'M ASKING HERE THE BOARD, WE HAVE CONSENSUS. 
          I'M, I'M GOOD. 
          SURE, GO AHEAD. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          FINE. 
          MARK. 
          YOU GOT IT MA'AM. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? UM, DID YOU HAVE TWO THINGS? ONE THING, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER ONE. 
          . 
          . 
          UM, ALRIGHT, WELL SO I THINK I SHARED MY, MY THOUGHTS ON PROPERTY RIGHTS AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO AND, UM, UM, GOVERNMENT OVER EXTENSION. 
          UM, I, I WOULD WONDER THOUGH IF, IF WE DO NEED TO START HAVING A CONVERSATION ON HOW TO ADDRESS ABANDONED THE STRUCTURES. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I, 'CAUSE WHAT WAYNE DESCRIBES, I THINK FITS INTO THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A WAY TO ADDRESS IT. 
          AND THAT'S, I I I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST START HAVING A DISCUSSION TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS RIGHT, WHAT ISN'T RIGHT. 
          WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA PURSUE OR NOT. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO INITIATE THAT, BUT, WELL, THAT'S OKAY. 
          WE COULD, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT IS DONE ELSEWHERE IN, IN SIMILAR JURISDICTIONS TO, TO US. 
          I, I MEAN I WOULDN'T COMPARE, SAY NEWPORT NEWS HAMPTON IS DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S A CITY, BUT MAYBE OTHER LOCALITIES IN THE COUNTY, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DOES JAMES CITY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, I MEAN THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF ABANDONED STRUCTURES, PARTICULARLY IN OUR RIGHT. 
          17 CORRIDOR OR SO FORTH THAT RIGHT NOW WE CAN JUST, ALL WE CAN DO IS JUST SIT AND WATCH IT SLOWLY RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN THE BEST INTEREST OF, OF THE COUNTY. 
          SO, SO JUSTICE AS MR. SHEPHERD JUST ASKED FOR YOUR CONSENSUS ON THE ITEM HE HAD IS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL TELL US YOU WANT US TO DO, IS I LIKE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SAW AND OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          WE CERTAINLY ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT RECOMMENDATION YOU HAVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME STUDY DONE AND JUST SOME FEEDBACK ON RIGHT HERE. 
          HERE'S HOW HOWARD IS ADDRESSED EL ELSEWHERE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN SEE THAT MR. ANDERSON WANTS TO SPEAK FROST. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN I JUST GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION? 'CAUSE WE DID BRING TO YOU THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHICH YOU ALL SAID THAT'S RIGHT. 
          NO TO, AND THE OVERGROWTH WAS THE OUTPUT OF THAT MM-HMM . 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY ABANDONED PROPERTIES, ABANDONED STRUCTURES, WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT YOU WOULD SPECIFICALLY WANT US TO LOOK FOR TO QUALIFY? WELL, AND I WANT, I WANT A LITTLE BIT OF HELP, HELP WITH THAT TOO. 
          HOW DO OTHERS LOCALITIES CLASSIFY ABANDONED STRUCTURES AND, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT BECAUSE ONE THING, WHAT, WHAT WAYNE DESCRIBED REMINDED ME OF, OF AN ISSUE HAD IN, IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THERE WAS A BUILDING A, A HOME IN SOUND. 
          LIKE A VERY SIMILAR I'M BACK TO YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          VERY SIMILAR SHAPE. 
          WELL, IF HE WANTS, HE WILL TALK TO HIM. 
          GO THROUGH THINGS HERE PLEASE. 
          THE REST OF THE COUNTY, I'M GET DIZZY, SPINNING AROUND. 
          UM, THERE WAS A SIMILAR SHAPE. 
          UH, THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED TO, UH, REHABILITATE THE HOME, BUT THE SIGN WAS MISSING STUFF FLAPPING IN THE WIND, OPEN TO THE ELEMENTS AND SO FORTH. 
          THINK A LOT OF FEEDBACK, HEY, IT'S BAD IN BAD SHAPE. 
          AND IT KIND OF WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT, IT WASN'T IN A CONDEMNABLE STATE, BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT SAME PROPERTY NOW THE HOMEOWNER WAS ABLE TO GET RESOURCE TOGETHER. 
          AND LAST TIME I WAS THERE, IT WAS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. 
          AND IT MAY, AND THIS WAS A YEAR AGO, AND BY NOW IT COULD BE IT REALLY 
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NICE HOME ON THE WATER THERE. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S, IT'S ABANDONED OR NOT, BUT OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SOLVED THIS PROBLEM OR HAVE ADDRESSED THIS PROBLEM. 
          LET'S, LET'S LEARN FROM THEM AND SEE WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, IF WE DON'T WANNA CITE SOMEBODY FOR THEIR SIGHTING FALLING OFF THEIR HOUSE OR THE SOFFIT COMING LOOSE AND MAKE THEM FIX IT, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO DETERMINE IF IT'S AN ABANDONED STRUCTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S LIVED THERE? UM, WELL, AND IS THERE A STATE CODE THAT ADDRESSES WHAT AN ABANDONED STRUCTURE IS? AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, WE MAY LEARN, LEARN FROM OTHERS. 
          WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION SINCE WE HAD ALREADY BROUGHT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE TO YOU AND YOU SAID NO, I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH AND GET BRINGING YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO, STEVE, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF HELP THE STAFF UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          THEY, WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US WAS BASICALLY, IT WAS ALMOST THIS SLUMLORD DEAL, OKAY? MM-HMM . 
          AND, UH, AND IT GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CREATE, THE STATE ALLOWS US TO DO THIS, BUT WHEN THEY CAME BACK, THEY CAME BACK TO US. 
          YOU GOTTA THINK THAT IT'S A, OKAY, IT'S A STRUCTURE. 
          I, I MEAN IT GOT TO, WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN IT OR NOT, RIGHT? UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S ABANDONED, WHAT'S NOT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TO FIND, DEFINE WHAT AN ABANDONED PROPERTY IS, THOSE, AND, AND THEN IT GOT INTO, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU MAINTAIN THE ROOF, YOU CANT HAVE IT LEAKING. 
          YOU GOT WHO'S IT GOT THROUGH ALL THESE THINGS. 
          SO SEWER, PLUMBING, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND THEN PART OF THE ISSUE GOT OUT TO WHO'S, WHO'S, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE TO HIRE TO DO THIS? AND IT WAS, IT WAS A BUNCH. 
          YOU HAD TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT REQUIRED AN EXTENSION, AN EXTENSIVE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS TO JUST DO THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY, HE'S ALREADY, IN FACT, YOU MAY WANNA BRING THAT WHOLE PACKAGE BACK UP OR OFFER IT TO STEVE, I THINK AND JUST LET HIM SEE THAT. 
          BECAUSE IF CFA ADDRESSES SOME OR ALL OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND HAVE THEM DO THIS WHOLE THING. 
          AND THAT'S FINE. 
          AND I GUESS THE RULE OF THUMB IS WHEN NOBODY RAISES THEIR HAND AND SAY, THAT IS MY PROPERTY. 
          HERE'S MY DEAL WITH IT. 
          LIKE NO MONEY CLAIMS IT THAT MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S MAYBE WHERE WE DRAW THE LINE BECAUSE THERE'S NO, NOW THERE IS NO PROPERTY OWNER TO IN TO IMPEDE UPON THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS. 
          'CAUSE NOBODY'S CLAIMING IT. 
          AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. 
          BUT DO WE HAVE THAT? I MEAN, WELL I, I GOT A PLACE ON DARE ROAD THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HOUSE BACK THERE UNTIL SOME RESIDENTS REACHED OUT TO US AND THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH OVERGROW COMING INTO THEIR PROPERTY. 
          IT GOT IT, GOT THAT BAD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          LIKE, WELL WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY? NO, NOBODY KNOWS. 
          NOBODY. 
          NOBODY CAN FIND THAT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHO OWNS IT AND WHETHER THE OWNER'S RESPONSIVE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND, AND SOMEBODY, NO MATTER WHAT IN MR. DREW'S CASE, WE, WE KNOW THERE'S AN OWNER, THEY'RE JUST NOT RESPONSIVE BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS RESPOND TO NOTIFICATIONS OF VIOLATION FOR ABOUT THE GRASS, BUT THE REST OF THIS STUFF THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY JUST IGNORE US. 
          BUT, BUT YOU GOT SOMEBODY THAT YOU CAN, YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAP ON THE SHOULDER, THEY'RE RESPONSIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I THINK THOSE OTHER PIECES ARE PROPERTY BELONGS TO SOMEBODY OR SOME CORPORATION OR LLC. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, HAVE THEY JUST, ARE WE IN THE COUNTY? ARE WE FORCE? SO ANYWAY, ANYWAY, IT'S, WE'RE JUST GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND. 
          NO, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME SCOPE HERE ON MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW. 
          LET'S JUST GO PULL UP THAT, ALL THAT PACKAGE AND BRING IT OVER HERE AND LET HIM REVIEW THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD START, BECAUSE IT GOT INTO, IT GETS INTO A LOT OF THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN WANT TO GET INTO. 
          ONE IS JUST GONNA BE A HUGE EXPENSE IF YOU HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE TO GO AROUND AND DO THE INSPECTION. 
          AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE NOT ONLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA GO BUY A PLACE AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO CALL OR SOMEBODY'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL CALL YOU. 
          SO IT GETS, THERE'S, AND IT, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING HERE AND RENTING A LOT OF PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ALMOST A CONCERN THAT, IS THAT A SLUMLORD? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING AFTER THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT, WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY THAT OWN LOTS LITTLE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WHO COULD NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SOME OF THEM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO NAMES RIGHT NOW. 
          SO JUST BRING THAT PACKAGE BACK UP. 
          LET HIM SEE HOW, WHAT PART OF THAT FITS INTO WHAT HE'S LOOKING AT. 
          OKAY. 
          I GET IT. 
          JUST, JUST THAT'S DISCUSSION. 
          NOT, I'M TRYING MAKE DECISION. 
          LAST, LAST THING REAL QUICK. 
          KIND HAD A GREAT SUCCESS THIS WEEKEND. 
          WELL, UM, THE, UM, THE SECOND ANNUAL WORK BOAT RACES WAS A GREAT SUCCESS THIS WEEKEND. 
          BEAUTIFUL DAY. 
          LOT TO TURN OUT. 
          A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. 
          I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE THIRD ANNUAL ONE  WITH, WITH THE DOCKING CONTEST. 
          SO HOPE IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT THIS PAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          THREES PLAN NUMBER THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? YOU DO. 
          I DID PLEASE. 
          A COUPLE 
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QUICK COMMENTS. 
          SO ST. 
          JOHN'S BAPTIST CHURCH ON PENMAN, UH, HAD A COMMUNITY DAY AND I WANTED TO THANK A LOT OF THE STAFF HERE, MARGARET AND OTHERS. 
          UH, WE HAD SOCIAL SERVICES SHOW UP, WE HAD HEAD START PROGRAM THERE. 
          WE HAD FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY THERE. 
          WE HAD, UH, NITRO WAS THERE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DIVISION. 
          I SPENT MY TIME WITH NITRO , MARK SCHAFER AND I, UH, WERE ALSO PRESENT. 
          GREAT DAY. 
          THEY'VE GOT A, A LARGE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM 'EM THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING, UH, POSSIBLE FUTURE USE OF AND WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I, I, I'LL HAVE YOU REACH OUT TO DR. 
          LASSETER, THE PASTOR AT THAT CHURCH. 
          I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME POSITIVE, UH, EVENTS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          GREAT, GREAT CONGREGATION. 
          AND, AND A, A VERY, FANTA A FANTASTIC LEADER. 
          I HAD ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          UM, I I'VE SIGNED UP FOR A PIE IN THE FACE FOR ALZHEIMER'S. 
          UH, I SUSPECT THAT'LL HAPPEN AT, UH, SOME FUTURE BOARD MEETING IF ENOUGH PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE TO MY CAMPAIGN. 
          OH DEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          AND, UM, IT'S WELL ALONG, WELL ALONG THAT PATH. 
          SO I SUSPECT I'M GONNA PADDLE TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MARK AND MARK AND I TOURED, UH, NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS TODAY, AND WE WERE DEEP INTO IT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU ALL HAVE PROBABLY HAD YOUR CHORES 'CAUSE WE, WE ALL COULDN'T GO AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT IT'S PHENOMENAL ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING THERE. 
          AND WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT ON 17, YOU DON'T REALIZE ALL THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          I MEAN, AND IT, IT'S REALLY A HUGE UNDERTAKING THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND THAT, THAT DAM IS GONNA LAST. 
          WHAT ANOTHER, HOW MANY YEARS WAS THE FIRST DAM? 19. 
          1918. 
          1918. 
          SO ANYWAY, I HAVE TO THANK THE PEOPLE FROM WATERWORKS FOR GIVING US THE TOUR. 
          UH, I WISH I HAD DONE IT BEFORE, BUT I'M GLAD I DID IT. 
          NOW IS THERE'S NO ANYBODY ELSE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY? YEAH, I DO. 
          SO I GOT, I GOT A, A TOUR OF, UH, LACKEY CLINIC. 
          OH, THAT'S GOOD. 
          AND I, I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN OVER THERE. 
          UM, I, I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED, UH, WITH THE LACKEE CLINIC. 
          I, I DIDN'T REALIZE, UH, THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THEY DO THERE. 
          UM, BUT IT IS FIRST CLASS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S FIRST CLASS. 
          I MEAN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT A BIG STAFF OVER THERE. 
          A LOT OF 'EM ARE VOLUNTEERS. 
          UM, AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE, NOT JUST HERE IN YORK COUNTY, BUT FROM ALL OVER MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE. 
          SO, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM AS MUCH AS WE DO AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUSH SOME MORE SUPPORT THAT WAY. 
          'CAUSE I, I ENDEAVOR THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG NEED AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          AND WE, WE GOT SO THE BUS ROUTE TO GO UP THERE SO THAT MORE PEOPLE COULD GO USE THE YEAH. 
          CLINIC. 
          AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THEY'VE GOT, UH, THEY'VE GOT THIS ONLINE THING THAT THEY'VE DEVELOPED, UM, THAT'S, UH, PRO PROPRIETARY, UM, THAT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE ARE USING, NOT JUST HERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT IN OTHER STATES ARE ACTUALLY STARTING TO USE THEIR ONLINE PROGRAM MM-HMM . 
          SO, UH, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO GO BY THERE. 
          SO KUDOS TO THEM FOR SURE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          IF WE 
          [CLOSED MEETING]
HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS, WE'LL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE MR.  IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.371, UH, A ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MR. BREWERY? YES. 
          MR. ROW? YEP. 
          MR. SCH? YES. 
          MR. ROY? YES. 
          MRS. KNOLL? YES. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE, UH, JUNE 17TH IN THE BOARD ROOM AT YOUR CALL AT 6:00 PM AT 6:00 PM THANK YOU.
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