Apr 09, 2025 Planning Commission

IS THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING.

UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA

[4. Approve Minutes – March 12, 2025]

ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? MR. CHAIRMAN? I SUBMIT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

ALRIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE.

AT THIS POINT, UM, THE WE'LL OPEN IT FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS, PERIOD.

THIS IS A CHANCE FOR CITIZENS TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.

SO ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK, I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FROM ANYBODY SAYING NONE.

WE WILL MOVE ON.

SO THE NEXT IS

[Application No. ZM-207-25,UP-1042-25 & UP-1043-25 S3 Storage Solutions]

THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE AN AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS WITH A SINGLE PRESENTATION FROM THE BOARD, A SINGLE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'LL HAVE THREE SEPARATE VOTES SO STAFF DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS ALL QUEUED UP HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO GOOD EVENING.

SO, UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE, YOU SEE A LITTLE TRIFECTA APPLICATIONS THERE.

UM, TWO OF THESE UP, 1 0 2, 2 5 AND 1 0 4 3 2 5 WERE CONTINUED FROM YOUR MARCH MEETING.

UM, WE'RE HAVING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW IN ADDITION TO THAT THIRD APPLICATION, WHICH IS A REZONING APPLICATION.

SO I'M GONNA KIND OF GET INTO THE MEAT OF THESE PROPOSALS, THAT REZONING APPLICATION AND WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING.

SO JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S COMPRISED OF TWO PARCELS SMALLER, 1 2100 GEORGIA, WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, AND THEN THE LARGER ONE, WHICH IS ADDRESSES 2 0 4 4 COMBINED, THEY MAKE UP A LITTLE OVER SEVEN ACRES IN SIZE.

I WANNA DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT WHAT'S AROUND THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT PROPERTY.

WE HAVE THE TAB LAKES RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST THERE TO NORTH WE HAVE SIMS METAL AND THEN BOTTOM LINE SALVAGE DIRECTLY NORTH CROSS 17, WE HAVE AUTO BELL, THE CAR WASH, AND THEN THE ANIMAL EMERGENCY CLINIC.

IMMEDIATELY SOUTH WE HAVE M AND J MOTORS.

AND THEN HERE'S THAT CANINE OFF THE LEASH DOG TRAINING.

AND HE OWNS THIS WHOLE PROPERTY BACK HERE.

THE REAR IS UNDEVELOPED AND THAT ABUTS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

PROPERTY'S DESIGNATED GB GENERAL BUSINESS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S ZONED THAT AS WELL TO THE EAST HERE.

TAB LAKES IS ZONED HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R 13 AND THEN ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

AND ACROSS 17 IS ALSO DESIGNATED GB AND ZONE GB.

I WANNA NOTE A FOUR ACRE, WHICH AGAIN ALLUDED TO IN OUR MARCH PRESENTATION.

THIS FOUR ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED CONDITIONAL GB WITH PROFFERS.

I'M GONNA PAUSE THERE.

WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED USES AND THEN WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THAT CONDITIONAL ZONING, SOME AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM 17, SO JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY.

THIS IS THE SITE OF DUTIES.

THIS IS STANDING, I'M LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH AT THE SITE DRIVEWAYS ACROSS THE STREET.

THERE'S THE ANIMAL EMERGENCY CLINIC AUTO BELL.

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THIS IS A VIEW INTO THE PROPERTY A BIT.

I WANNA NOTE THAT MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS GOING TO BE IF THESE APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, REMOVED, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE REDEVELOPED.

AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST A TOP DOWN GOOGLE EARTH VIEW ABOUT LINE THE PROPERTY THERE IN CYAN.

THIS GIVES YOU A NICE VIEW OF KIND OF THE MATURE WOODS AND TREES AND THEN THAT BUFFER AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

OKAY, SO I WANNA GET INTO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, WE HAVE OUR TWO PROPOSED USES, THE MINI STORAGE AND THE RV STORAGE.

SO THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED A SKETCH PLAN.

THIS IS ALSO IN YOUR READ AHEAD.

I OVERLAYED IT ONTO AN AERIAL TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE VISUAL CONTEXT OF WHAT'S AROUND IT.

WE'RE A LITTLE ZOOMED OUT HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA ZOOM IN ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF THAT SITE AND SEE WHAT THE COMPONENTS ARE OF THIS.

SO UP HERE YOU CAN SEE THE APPLICANT'S GONNA PROPOSE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE SKETCH PLAN.

WE'VE CONSOLIDATED THE ENTRANCE.

CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES.

THIS ISN'T COM REALLY COMPLY WITH VDOT STANDARD OR COUNTY STANDARDS.

THOSE ARE GONNA GO AWAY AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SINGLE ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.

I WANNA POINT OUT THE FRONT FACADE FACING 17.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THE WRAP 17 OVERLAY CORRIDOR STANDARDS.

KINDA DICTATES THAT.

AGAIN, WE WANT OUR BUILDINGS TO LOOK NICE, WE WANT THEM TO AESTHETICALLY SORT OF IMPROVE 17.

AND SO THE APPLICANT PRODUCED SOME REALLY NICE RENDERINGS FOR YOU.

AGAIN, ALL THOSE ARE IN YOUR RITA HEAD AS WELL.

UM, THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT THE FRONT OF THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM 17.

SO I WANNA KNOW, THIS IS ALL SINGLE STORAGE, MINI STORAGE.

SO WHAT THIS IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS KIND OF LIKE A FACADE PARAPET WALL.

YOU'RE ALSO GONNA SEE THERE'S A NICE WROUGHT IRON FENCE.

UM, WHAT WE'VE CONDITIONED, UM, IS GOING TO BE WROUGHT IRON FENCING GATE ON 17 ON THE FRONT AND THEN IN THE SIDES AND REAR WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE.

IT'S GONNA BE BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK.

AND THAT'S JUST ANOTHER VIEW.

THIS IS LIKE LOOKING SOUTH APPLICANT'S RENDERING THERE.

SO YOU SEE WHERE IT KIND OF DROPS FROM THE FACADE AND IT GOES DOWN TO THAT LOW LEVEL SINGLE STORY.

I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MINI STORAGE.

AGAIN, SINGLE STORY MINI STORAGE.

IT'S GONNA BE A COMBINATION OF CLIMATE CONTROLLED UNITS AND NOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED UNITS.

TOTALED ABOUT 572 STORAGE UNITS THAT DOES HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT.

NOW THERE'S THREE SPACES THAT ARE GONNA BE UP BY THE OFFICE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE REQUIRED PARKING BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS GONNA BE PAST THAT GATED AREA.

IT'S GONNA BE PARALLEL PARKING IN THESE DRIVE AISLES.

WE'VE INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THAT PARALLEL PARKING CAN'T REALLY BLOCK ANY EGRESS OR INGRESS FROM THE STORAGE UNITS, BUT IT'S ALL GONNA BE LOCATED NEAR THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ANY ROLLUP DOORS.

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER APPLICANT'S RENDERING OF THE NOT CLIMATE CONTROLLED UNITS.

SO IT'S TO KINDA YOUR TRADITIONAL ROLL UP GARAGE STYLE.

RIGHT.

I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS SECTION OF THE SITE.

SO AGAIN, THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ABUTS THE STORMWATER COMMON AREA FOR TAB LAKES AND THEN TWO RESIDENTIAL HOMES HERE.

SO THAT DOES INVOKE AT 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER.

AGAIN, THAT'S WOODED RIGHT NOW.

THERE WAS A BERM ALSO THAT WAS PUT IN WITH THAT 1993 REZONING THAT OCCURRED.

THAT'S JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A LITTLE BETTER VIEW.

THERE'S THE TWO HOUSES TO PROTECT THOSE HOUSES IN ADDITION TO THE MATURE WOODED BUFFER.

BUT THE 1993 REZONING, PART OF THOSE PROFFERS WAS TO PUT AN OPAQUE FENCE IN.

WE'VE INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FOR THAT OPAQUE FENCE THAT'S EIGHT FEET HIGH.

SO THE CURRENT ONE IS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE IN DISREPAIR OR STATE.

WE WANT THAT TO BE REFRESHED AND REBUILT TO BE A NICE SCREENING MECHANISM FOR THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE.

ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA DIG A LITTLE BIT INTO THE REZONING APPLICATION.

SO THE NAME'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER IN THAT A REZONING ACTION IS REQUIRED TO AMEND PROFFERS.

'CAUSE WHEN YOU REZONE AND YOU HAVE PROFFERS AND THEY'RE APPROVED, THEY RUN IN IN PERPETUITY WITH THE LAND, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO AMEND THEM.

THAT'S WHAT THAT APPLICATION IS.

I ALLUDED TO THIS IN THE MARCH PRESENTATION, BUT WHAT TRIGGERED THIS WAS THIS RV STORAGE COMPONENT IN THIS SITE.

AND SO, AGAIN, SHOWN IN CYAN, THIS FOUR ACRE PORTION GOT REZONED IN 1993.

AND IF THAT WERE A SERIES OF PROFFERS, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE TO REALLY PREVENT IT FROM BECOMING A JUNKYARD.

AGAIN.

HOWEVER, THIS FIRST PROFFER HAS A STATEMENT THAT ALL VEHICLES HAVE TO BE TITLED IN THE NAME OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.

THAT KIND OF CONFLICTS WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO DO IVORY STORAGE.

'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CUSTOMERS BRINGING THEIR VEHICLES ON, ON SITE AND STORING THEM TO DO THAT CONFLICT AS A CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND WHAT KIND OF CAME OUT OF THAT WAS A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE PROFFERS TO ONLY STRIKE THIS FIRST PART OF THE FIRST PROFFER HERE.

THE REST OF THESE ARE GOING TO REMAIN BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY PREVENT A JUNKYARD FROM OCCURRING.

THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS.

HOWEVER, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR VEHICLES TO BE TITLED THE OWNER'S NAME WOULD ALLOW THAT RV STORAGE USE TO OCCUR AND WOULDN'T

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REALLY IMPACT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT, WHICH IS AGAIN, JUNKYARD RECURRENCE.

AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE HERE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE GB ZONING OR PROPOSING TO DO THAT.

IT'S JUST MINOR PROFFER AMENDMENT SPEAKING.

THE RV STORAGE.

JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VIEW OF THAT.

THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED RENDERING.

IT'S GONNA BE A CANOPY WITH FULL CUTOFF LIGHT FIXTURES.

THEY WOULD PULL IN AND PARK THEIR RV.

I WANNA COVER A COUPLE OF OUR MISCELLANEOUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

RIGHT NOW.

THE DUTY SIGN IS STILL UP.

THAT'S GONNA GET TAKEN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S GONNA COMPLY WITH THE ROUTE 17 OVERLAY CONDITIONS.

YOU'LL SEE A COUPLE CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.

THESE ARE FOR NOX BOXES.

AND SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS BEHIND THE GATE TO THE UNITS, UM, FIRE FLOW.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE HYDRANTS GET BACK THERE SO THEY CAN PUT OUT A FIRE IF IT HAPPENS.

AGAIN, JUST REITERATE, WE HAVE THOSE FENCING REQUIREMENTS AGAIN ALONG THE FRONT OF THE SITE.

WANT THAT NICE WROUGHT IRON FENCING AND GATE AND THEN THAT BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK ON THE SIDES WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

SO ULTIMATELY THIS DOES PROVE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THERE'S ADEQUATE PROTECTION HERE FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.

THIS ISN'T A VERY HIGH INTENSITY USE, UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT IT'S SINGLE STORY, NOT MULTI-STORY, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE THOSE NICE WOODED BUFFERS IN THE FENCING TO PROVIDE THAT SEPARATION.

IT'S A VERY LOW TRAFFIC IMPACT.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEE IF YOU'VE EVER COMMUTED ON 17, UM, IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK, THAT THAT AREA CAN GET A LITTLE CONGESTED.

THIS TRAFFIC'S VERY, THIS USE IS VERY LOW TRAFFIC GENERATION, SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS THERE.

SO KIND OF ALL THAT COMBINED STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THESE APPLICATIONS.

SO WHAT YOU WILL DO TONIGHT IS, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE THREE SEPARATE ACTIONS AND VOTES FOR THE THREE SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO THE FIRST IS GONNA BE THAT RESOLUTION PC 25 FOR THE PROFFER AMENDMENT PC 25 0 5 FOR THE MINI STORAGE AND PC 25 0 9 FOR THE RV STORAGE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.

UM, I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

UM, REG, WELL, TWO, THE, UH, WERE THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ON THIS PROPERTY FROM ITS PREVIOUS USE? SPILLS OF OILS AND THAT KIND OF THING? MM-HMM .

FROM THE, UM, .

SO AT THE THIS STAGE, UM, THEY'VE BEGUN A LITTLE, LIKE RATHER THE CON THE CONSULTANT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS HIRED HAS DONE A LITTLE BIT OF PRELIMINARY WORK.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT ON THE SKETCH.

THEY HAVE THE BMP THERE.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF WORK, BUT THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT REALLY INTENSE ANALYSIS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY MOVE TO THE SITE PLAN STAGE.

THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE LIKE WHAT'S CALLED A NATURAL RESOURCES OF MATERIAL NRI AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO COMPLY WITH ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION AND ALSO JUST FOR THE DRAINAGE AND THE WATER QUALITY.

SO YEAH, I ALSO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NOTHING WAS GONNA IMPACT THE RESIDENTS.

UH, NO.

YEAH, THEIR ON SITE STORM WATER IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DRAIN TO TAP LAKES.

RIGHT.

UM, SO ACTUALLY THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A REALLY NICE SECTION THAT WHAT IT DOES IS YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED FOOT CANDLES AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW INTENSE YOUR LIGHT IS.

AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY , BASICALLY WHEN YOU GET TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, THERE CAN'T BE ANY FOOT CANDLES.

IT'S LIKE 0.1.

IT'S VERY, VERY LOW.

AND WE ALSO REQUIRE FULL CUTOFF FIXTURES.

SO YOU HAVE DOWNLIGHT, NO UPLIGHTS.

SO THAT'S INTENDED TO KIND OF PROTECT THEM.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THE, THE EXISTING, THE OLD ZONING, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT UP A FENCE AND, AND YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

IS THAT FENCE IN DISREPAIR NOW? IS THAT WHAT I'M, DID I HEAR THAT OR IS THAT FENCE IN? I MIGHT DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT 'CAUSE HE'S BEEN, UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET BACK THAT FAR ONTO THE PROPERTY TO LOOK AT IT.

UM, BUT HIS SURVEYOR HAS BEEN BACK THERE.

UM, WHAT I RECALL THEM TELLING ME IS, YOU KNOW, I PUT THE CONDITION IN THERE, SO IF IT, ANY PART OF IT IS DAMAGED, AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE PUT UP.

IT NEEDS TO BE NEW.

IT NEEDS TO BE NICE AND DO WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO.

SO MY, MY QUESTION ALONG THAT IS MM-HMM .

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THIS APPLICANT MAINTAINS THAT FENCE AND THAT'S GOOD GOING FORWARD? WELL, THIS WOULD BE A CONDITION.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS ANNUALLY, UM, IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, THAT GETS INSPECTED BY ONE OF OUR ZONING INSPECTORS AND THEY MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL THEIR CONDITIONS.

AND SO SINCE WE'RE REQUIRING THE FENCE AS A CONDITION, THAT'S SOMETHING SHE'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UNDER, I DON'T HAVE ANY APPLICANTS CARDS THAT APPLICANT IS HERE.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK.

UM, PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES AND YOU DON'T NEED TO USE IT ALL.

, I'LL MAKE THIS SHORT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT.

UM,

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UH, MY NAME IS ANDY BILL MANUS.

UM, I HAVE RESIDED AT 5 0 0 9 WEBBS CHAPEL CHURCH ROAD.

THAT IS ACTUALLY IN NORTH CAROLINA.

UM, THE, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.

UH, I AM THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER.

THE, I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, ENTREPRENEUR.

THE COMPANY S3 STORAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE APPLICATION IS MY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY FOR PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS.

AND WITH THAT, I'M INVOLVED IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, FROM ENTITLEMENT TO THE DESIGN, EVENTUAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND FACILITY OPERATIONS.

UM, I FEEL CAITLIN HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB TO SUMMARIZE THE, UH, PROJECT.

SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED TO GO OVER IT ANY ANYMORE.

I DO WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU, I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL.

UM, WE DID DO A PHASE ONE AND THAT CAME BACK CLEAN.

THERE WAS ONE DONE PREVIOUSLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

SO WE HAVE NO ISSUES THAT WE ARE GONNA DO A PHASE TWO JUST AS A, OUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE JUST TO BE SAFE ON THAT.

UM, SO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.

AS FAR AS THE FENCE GOES, UH, THERE IS, THERE WAS ONE BOARD OR TWO BOARDS THAT WERE DAMAGED FROM, IT LOOKED LIKE A TREE OR A LIMB FELL ON IT.

SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT TO REPLACE THAT.

BUT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS STANDING, IT'S STURDY.

UM, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED, PROBABLY POWER WASH AND MAYBE HAVE SOME STAIN ON IT JUST TO PRESERVE IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I WANNA MAKE THIS REAL BRIEF, BUT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS.

WE DO, UH, FEEL THAT THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

FIRST OFF, IT'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING CONTRACTOR AND JUNKYARD THAT IS STILL THERE.

UM, ALSO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS A REDUCED IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO NOISE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, UTILITY USAGE, AND ALSO IT DOES, HAS NO IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. UM, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THIS PARCEL, NAMELY THE LIMITED ROAD FRONTAGE AND THEN THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARCEL WHERE IT'S NARROW IN THE FRONT WINDS OUT TOWARDS THE REAR, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OF BEING VERY INDUSTRIAL.

LIKE, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY MOST LIKELY PREVENTED OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS FROM UTILIZING THIS PROPERTY.

HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THESE, UH, CHALLENGES, BUT ALSO OVERCOMES THEM AS WELL.

UM, ALSO THE OTHER THING THAT WE FEEL IS THIS COULD BE THE REVITALIZATION FOR THIS SECTION OF GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT THROUGH THAT MODERN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, IMPROVE CURB APPEAL WITH THE LANDSCAPING, BUT ALSO WE STRIVE FOR A HIGH QUALITY IN EVERY PROPERTY FOR A FREE, A, A CLEAN, UH, FRIENDLY, WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED THE, UH, SPECIAL USE APPLICATIONS, I ALSO MET WITH THE TAB LAKES COMMUNITY ON FEBRUARY THE FIFTH.

UM, WE MET AT THE TAB LIBRARY.

I HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY SH OR, UH, COME TO THAT MEETING AND PRETTY MUCH PRESENTED EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAD SEEN HERE TONIGHT.

THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS, THE SITE LAYOUT.

BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS AND ALSO THE REDUCED IMPACT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE OVER THE EXISTING USE THAT'S THERE.

NOW WE DID RECEIVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, MAINLY ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE TREES, UH, BETWEEN TAB LAKES AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, BUT ALSO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE OUR PLANS FOR STORM WATER? AND TO ADDRESS THAT, THERE IS THAT 35 FOOT BUFFER THERE.

BUT WE ALSO CONFIGURED THE PROPERTY TO PULL THE BUILDINGS AWAY FROM THAT AND PUT THAT STORM WATER POND IN THE BACK CORNER TO INCREASE THAT BUFFER DISTANCE TO THOSE COM, THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND OF COURSE IT'LL GET LANDSCAPED, UH, AND FINISHED OFF AND WE PLAN TO CONCENTRATE THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED IN THAT AREA TO IMPROVE THAT BUFFER AS WELL.

UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THE STORM WATER POND, THERE IS NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW, SO EVERYTHING JUST ROLLS RIGHT OFF THE SITE.

AND HEADS TO TAB LAKE, THIS IS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT WHERE WE'RE CAPTURING STORM WATER, HOLDING IT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED DURING THIS MEETING, BUT ALSO, UH, VIA EMAIL WAS VERY POSITIVE.

EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING NEW, CLEANER AND QUIETER COMING IN AT PLACE OF THE CONTRACTOR YARD AND THIS JUNKYARD AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'M ALSO WELCOME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR JUST ONE QUESTION? YES, SIR.

MIKE, DO YOU HAVE, UH, UH, I GOTTA TURN MY MIC ON.

I KEEP FORGETTING TO DO THAT.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE, UH, STORAGE FACILITIES THAT YOU CAN PULL THE CAR IN.

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SO THERE, THERE, THERE'RE SIZE RANGES, UH, YOU KNOW, AS SMALL AS A FIVE BY FIVE AND A CLIMATE CONTROLLED ALL THE WAY TO 10 BY 30 10.

10 BY 40 EVENS.

I JUST, THE PROFFER IS NOT JUST FOR THE RPS, THE PROFFER WOULD BE FOR ANYBODY THAT HAD A CAR THAT PULLED IN THERE.

REMOVING THAT PROFFER.

DO YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE RECREATIONAL VIEW? SO GONNA BE PARKED THERE ON THE, YOU HAVE SIZE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THE RECREATIONAL OH, AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE.

AND ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW THEM TO WORK ON THEM THERE OR NO? SO NO, THE, SO THERE WILL BE SIZE LIMITATIONS THAT, THAT CANOPY STORAGE THAT YOU SAW THAT WAS A, THOSE AISLES ARE GONNA BE, ARE SPACES ARE 12 BY 45.

SO THAT'S YOUR TRADITIONAL PULL BEHIND CAMPER OR EVEN A MOTOR HOME.

THE LARGER BUILDING COULD BE UP TO IS 45, 50 FEET, UM, 12 FOOT OR 13 FOOT IN WIDTH.

BUT NO, WE DO HAVE, THAT IS ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT WE PUT IN EVERY LEASE IS THAT THEY CANNOT USE THE FACILITY AS THEIR MAINTENANCE GARAGE.

UH, OR THE OTHER THING IS NO SLEEPING THERE, THEY CAN'T USE IT AS A CAMPING SPACE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC? AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ALL THREE APPLICATIONS.

SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT ANY THREE OF THESE, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR ALL THREE.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION, MS. PORT? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT FOR THE AREA.

UH, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE TAB LAKES FOLKS.

UH, THEY'RE NOT HERE FILLING UP OUR ROOM TONIGHT, APPARENTLY.

THEY LIKE WHAT THEY SEE.

I LIKE WHAT WE SAW.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT AND I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT ABOUT IT'S, IT HAS A POTENTIAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S A STORAGE FACILITY, IT HAS POTENTIAL TO BE A CATALYST AND HELP, UH, UM, IMPROVE THE OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG THERE.

SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.

JUST A LITTLE COMMENT.

I, THE STORAGE FACILITY IS GONNA BE A BIG, IT IS GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER OVER THE, UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD'VE WISHED FOR THE PROPERTY.

'CAUSE I THINK STORAGE UNITS, THAT WHOLE SECTION DOWN THROUGH THERE IS, IS GETTING TO BE GAS STATIONS, AUTO, RE AUTO, UH, WA, CAR WASHES, I CAN'T THINK OF THE WORD STORAGE AREAS.

THERE'S ANOTHER STORAGE AREA LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.

UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S THREE STORIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, SO IT'S, I HATE TO SEE IT TURN FROM A, FROM, UH, SALVAGE YARDS TO STORAGE AREAS OR GAS STATIONS AND, AND UH, CAR WASHES.

UH, BUT THIS IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT THE CURRENTLY HAS.

SO I'M TORN BETWEEN THE TWO CONFLICTS.

I MEAN THE TWO, UH, POTENTIALS.

THAT'S ALL I, EVERYONE HAS SAID EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY.

THIS IS A FANTASTIC, UM, CHANGE FOR THAT, THAT AREA.

AND I HOPE THAT IT'S, UH, CONTAGIOUS.

I AGREE.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHANGE.

SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MOTION.

HEY BRIGHTON.

SO WE'LL DO WHAT DO YOU MOVE THE, THE FIRST ONE MOVE PC 25 DASH 25 0 5.

PC 25 DASH 0 4 4.

4 0 4.

THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

FOUR IS THE FIRST ONE.

OH, FOUR IS FIRST ONE.

AND ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY THE MOTION.

I SAID FIVE SO I WAS WRONG.

OH.

AND I'LL MAKE IT, I MOVE THAT, UH, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT PC 25 DASH OH FOUR.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC UH DASH OH FOUR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AMEND CRAWFORD CONDITIONS APPLICABLE TO, UH, FOUR ACRES ON AT 2044.

UH, MR. KING? YES.

HEY, MR. SMITH? YES.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL TAKE AN, ENTER A MOTION ON PC 25 DASH FIVE PC I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR PC DASH OH 5 25 0 5.

25 0 5.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON PC TWENTY FIVE OH FIVE.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MADE THE MOTION MR. BROOKS BY MR. BROOKS.

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THE MOTION BY MR. BROOKS IS TO ADOPT, UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH FIVE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS TO AUTHORIZE A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY AT TWENTY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FORTY FOUR GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

UH, MR. BROOKS? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

OH, AND MR. TITUS I'LL SAY YES TOO.

MOTION PASSES.

AND WE HAVE A THIRD MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE PC 25 0 6.

OH 9 0 9.

PC WE'RE CHALLENGING.

ALRIGHT, SO PC 25 0 9.

DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THAT PLEASE? SO, MOTION.

SO MOVED.

SO GO AHEAD.

FOR THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST.

THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH OH NINE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A SINGLE STORY MINI, UH, SINGLE STORY MINI STORAGE, UH, WAREHOUSE FACILITY AT TWENTY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FORTY FOUR GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

AND MR. CHAMBERLAIN? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION

[Application No. UP-1047-25, American Battlefield Trust: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 7, No. 8) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a recreational trail on approximately 36 acres located at 393 Crawford Road (Route 637) and 401 Crawford Road. The property is zoned RC (Resource Conservation) and is designated Conservation in the Comprehensive Plan. Staff Planner: Jeanne Sgroi, Senior Planner]

ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PARK AND RECREATIONAL TRAIL AT 3 93 AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES CONSIST OF ONE APPROXIMATELY FOUR TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY AT 3 93 CRAWFORD ROAD AND ONE APPROXIMATELY 36 ACRE PROPERTY AT 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.

BOTH SUBJECT PARCELS ARE ZONED RC FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH A PARK IN THE RC ZONING DISTRICT.

SO TO THE NORTH ARE SIX SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS, TWO PRIVATE ROADS, UH, WHICH IS GILES AND MUSE LANES, UH, CRAWFORD ROAD AND COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK.

BEYOND, UH, TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST IS COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK AS WELL.

THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO ESTABLISH A PARK WITH A PEDESTRIAN LOOP AND SMALL PARKING LOT.

I'VE OVERLAID THEIR SKETCH PLAN ONTO THIS AERIAL SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THE TRAIL AND PARKING AREA WOULD BE.

RIGHT.

THE TRAIL IS PROPOSED TO SPAN BOTH, UH, SUBJECT PARCELS.

AS WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT SPAN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO VACATE THE PROPERTY LINES BETWEEN 3 93 AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.

THE PEDESTRIAN LOOP TRAIL IS PROPOSED TO HAVE A STONE DUST SURFACE FOR THE FIRST 150 FEET, EXTENDING FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE STEPPING STONES THAT CROSS THE HISTORIC ROAD BED.

THE REST OF THE TRAILS PROPOSED TO HAVE MULCH SURFACING RIGHT.

THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THEY PREFER A MULCH TRAIL TO LIMIT THE VISUAL IMPACT ON THE LANDSCAPE.

HOWEVER, MULCH TRAILS ARE LESS DURABLE THAN STONE DUST SURFACE TRAILS MULCH.

ISS ABILITY TO RETAIN WATER ACCELERATES ITS DECOMPOSITION PROCESS.

RAIN AND OTHER ELEMENTS CAUSE MULCH TO SHIFT AND SCATTER.

AND BOTH OF THESE FACTORS NECESSITATE FREQUENT REPLENISHMENT OF MULCH TRAILS.

THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING, UH, TWO INCHES OF GRANULAR RESERVOIR COURSE TOPPED WITH THREE INCHES OF SHREDDED HARDWOOD MULCH BECAUSE MAINTENANCE OFTEN FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE.

ONCE THE USE HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS, OR ONE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY CHANGES, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE ENTIRE TRAIL TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF THREE INCHES OF AGGREGATE UNDER TWO INCHES OF STONE DUST WITH METAL EDGING.

SO I'VE INCLUDED AN EXAMPLE OF A STONE DUST RECREATIONAL TRAIL AND RUNNING MAN.

THIS ONE HAS WOOD EDGING.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A STONE DUST TRAIL THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN TRANQUILITY.

UH, THESE ARE BOTH SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN THE COUNTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE STONE COLOR CAN VARY.

A BROWN SHADE LIKE THIS ONE MIGHT BLEND WITH THE LANDSCAPE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SINCE THE APPLICANTS DO NOT INTEND TO PLANT GRASS.

SO THE THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH REVOLUTIONARY AND CIVIL WAR EVENTS.

THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO INSTALL THREE WAYSIDE STYLE INTERPRETIVE SIGNS ALONG THE TRAIL AND ONE SIGN TO IDENTIFY THE SITE.

ACCORDING TO SECTION 24.1 DASH 7 0 3 OF THE A, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, SITE IDENTIFICATION SIGN CAN BE A FREESTANDING MONUMENT SIGN

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WITH A MAXIMUM SIGN AREA OF 40 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX UH FEET, OR A FREESTANDING POLE SIGN WITH A MAXIMUM SIGN AREA OF 12 SQUARE FEET AND A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET.

OKAY, SO THE PARKING LOT IS PROPOSED TO HAVE NINE PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING ONE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPACE.

THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT THE PARKING AREA OF GRAVEL SECTION 24.1 DASH 7 0 6 REQUIRES PARKING AREAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF CONCRETE ASPHALT OR ANOTHER, UH, EQUIVALENT PERMANENT DUST LIST SURFACE.

IT GOES ON TO STATE THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY APPROVE AN UNPAVED OR GRAVEL PARKING AREA.

IF IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF AN OVERALL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, THAT GRAVEL PARKING AREAS NOT ONLY LACK DURABILITY AND REQUIRE REGULAR REPLENISHMENT, THEY CAN BE DIFFICULT FOR WHEELCHAIR USERS TO NAVIGATE.

DUE TO THE UNEVEN AND LOOSE NATURE OF GRAVEL, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PARKING AREA TO BE CONSTRUCTED OF A DUSTLESS SURFACE.

SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED THREE ENTRANCES TO THE PARK.

A DRIVEWAY ON 3 93 CRAWFORD ROAD WOULD SERVE AS, UH, SERVICE ACCESS TO THE SITE.

THIS ENTRANCE WOULD BE GATED.

THE PARKING AREA WOULD HAVE TWO UN-GATED ENTRANCES.

TIMBER POSTS WITH STEEL COLLAR U-BOLTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED ON EITHER SIDE OF ALL THREE ENTRANCES.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANTS DO NOT PLAN TO INSTALL CHAINS ON THE, UH, ENTRANCES TO THE PARKING AREA BECAUSE THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO OPEN AND CLOSE THE GATES EACH DAY.

UH, THE APPLICANTS TOLD STAFF THAT IF AFTER OUR ACTIVITY IS OBSERVED, THEY PLAN TO CLOSE THE PROPERTY FOR LENGTH OF LENGTHS OF TIME REQUIRED TO DETER SUCH ACTIVITY.

SO THE PARK WOULD BE OPEN FROM, UH, DAWN UNTIL DUSK.

AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED NO LIGHTING FOR THE PROPERTY SINCE THE PARK WILL NOT BE GATED AT NIGHT.

UH, THE YORK COUNTY, BECAUSE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS REQUESTED THE PARKING, UH, UH, LOT BE LIT DURING DARK HOURS TO DETER ILLICIT BEHAVIOR AND ALLOW FOR EASE OF PATROL OBSERVATION.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO REQUIRE THE PARKING LOT BE LIT EVERY DAY FROM DUSK TILL UNTIL DAWN.

SO THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL MAKE THE TRAIL AND APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE LOCATION.

THOUGH THERE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS REGARDING THE LACK OF LIGHTING AND GATES FOR THE SITE, THE PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO REQUIRE LIGHTING WILL MITIGATE THAT ISSUE.

THE PROPOSED MULCH PORTION OF THE TRAIL AND GRAVEL PARKING LOT LACK DURABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.

BUT CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TRAIL TO HAVE A STONE DUST SURFACE SURFACE AND THE PARKING AREA TO BE PAVED.

THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 10.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

SO YOU, YOU ARE, THEY IS A CONDITION TO ADD THE LIGHTING? YES.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WASN'T SURE OF.

DONE THIS, THIS WAY.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, YEAH, I DO.

I IS, UH, WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE WITH ZONING ORS IF THE LIGHTING THAT YOU'VE ADDED IS, UH, MOTION DETECTED SO THE LIGHT'S NOT LIT ALL THE TIME, ALL NIGHT FOR NO REASON AND ONLY THERE IF IN CASE SOMEONE GOES ON THE PROPERTY, THEN IT, THE MOTION DETECTOR LIGHTS UP THE LIGHTS.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH.

YES, THAT WOULD, YOU COULD ADD THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A DARK AREA, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ON CRAWFORD ROAD.

AND IT JUST SEEMS SENSELESS TO HAVE, UH, LIGHTS WITH NO ONE THERE ALL NIGHT LONG IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS.

I THINK THE BIGGER CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY ON THE SITE AND, AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEING ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN CRAWFORD ROAD AND SEE IF ANY ACTIVITY'S GOING ON THERE.

SO IF EVEN IF SOMEBODY'S SITTING IN THERE AND THE LIGHTS ARE OUT, A SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DEPUTY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM.

SO I THINK FROM SAFETY CONCERN THAT WE WOULD WANT THE LIGHTS TO BE ON ALL NIGHT.

I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD RECOMMEND A CAMERA.

UH, I AGREE.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.

I WORKED AT COLONIAL NATIONAL PARK FOR 20 SOME YEARS AND THAT IS A HIGHLY VISITED AREA BY PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE VISITING.

UH, I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL NOT ONLY WITH LIGHTS, I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST YOU PUT A CAMERA OUT THERE.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD WANT THAT OR NOT, BUT I I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, FOR THE INTERPRETIVE MARKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU BETTER GET SOME SPARE MARKERS 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GET PAINTED.

I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND THAT'S NOT, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND BE PREPARED FOR THAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BRIDGE RIGHT OFF OVER THE FRENCH LOOP, YOU'LL SEE HOW MUCH IS PAINTED.

UM,

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AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, I'VE GOT THREE, UH, AND APPLICANT IS FIRST, UH, MR. CHUCK LAND LANDER LADNER.

AND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US PLEASE.

CHUCK LADNER.

13 4 0 6 MOUNT ZION CHURCH ROAD, COLE PEPPER, VIRGINIA, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD.

TRUST IN, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, THE TRUST IS, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, LAND PRESERVATION.

UH, WE OBSERVED ALMOST 60,000 ACRES IN 25 STATES CORE BATTLEFIELD, REVOLUTIONARY WAR, WAR OF 1812 IN THE CIVIL WAR.

BUT ONCE WE'VE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY, UH, THE NEXT STEP IS TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE AND MAKE THESE THINGS OUTDOOR CLASSROOMS. AND SO PART OF THIS, ACTUALLY, THIS PROPERTY, THIS TOTAL OF 47 PLUS ACRES, UH, WAS I THINK THE ABSOLUTE LAST IN HOLDING INSIDE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE BOUNDARY.

UH, IN THE MEANTIME, UH, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, UH, LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO DO A COMMEMORATION AND IT MARRIED UP WITH OUR PURPOSE OF, UH, CLEANING UP THE SITE, UH, INVASIVE SPECIES, DEAD TREES, GARBAGE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE STILL CLEANING, UH, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A COMMEMORATIVE SITE.

THE 250 TREES PLANTED FOR THE 250TH.

AND WE HAVE A SITE.

SO THAT HAS HOW THIS ALL BEGAN AT CRAWFORD ROAD.

A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, MATTER OF FACT, UH, BEFORE LUNCH TOMORROW, THERE WILL BE TWO CAMERAS OUT THERE ALREADY.

AND, UH, AND MAYBE AS OTHER PROPERTIES UP ALONG THAT ROAD, MAYBE ONE PERMANENT YARD LIGHT, AND THEN THE REST CAN BE MOTION.

JUST AN IDEA.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

UH, BUT THIS IS A, A, A SPECIAL SITE AND YOU ALL ARE VERY WELL AWARE.

UM, AND IT ADDITIONALLY IT'S CORE BATTLEFIELD, BUT FRENCH ENCAMPMENT.

BUT THERE'S ALSO, WE FOUND A FREEMAN SITE.

AND SO THAT WAS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, THE, THE TRAIL OUT TAKES A BEND AND THERE'S A DOTTED LINE AROUND, UH, WE FOUND A, A FREEMAN SITE DURING SOME OF OUR SURVEY WORK.

AND SO THAT THE THREE PANELS, ONE WOULD BE FOR THE, THE, UH, FRENCH ENCAMPMENT.

ONE WOULD BE FOR THE FREEMAN SITE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE FOR, UH, THE COMMEMORATION, THE 250 TREES.

SO THAT'S OUR HOPE, THAT'S OUR WISH.

AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN BUILD YOU ALL, SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE TIME AND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

GREAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO BACK THIS WAY.

THE, THE TRAILS ITSELF, UM, AND THE SURFACES, I DON'T, I MEAN IT'S UP TO YOU HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT WE USED TO USE CRUSHED OYSTER SHELL SHELLS AND THEY HOLD UP IN A HARD SURFACE.

THEY PACK WELL AND THEY HOLD UP VERY WELL.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, BUT WE PROBABLY AT THIS POINT WE'LL CONSIDER ALL, UM, SOME OF IT WE WERE TRYING TO STAY, WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF ACRES, HUNDREDS OF SIGNS, UH, A LOT OF TRAILS AND CHURCH'S TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT AND ALSO MAYBE WITH WHAT THE PARK SERVICE DOES, UH, IN SOME OF THEIR SPOTS.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A MIX.

AND ALSO, UM, THE FRONTAGE OF THAT ROAD, UH, WE'RE GONNA ADD THE, UM, THE ROAD SNAKE RAIL FENCE ALONG THE ROAD AND THE SIGNAGE OUT FRONT, UH, HOPEFULLY WILL MIRROR, UM, UH, KINDA THAT PARK SERVICE TYPE, UH, SIGNAGE ON THE ROAD SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S UP YET, UH, 'CAUSE I WON'T SEE THE PROPERTY NEXT UNTIL MORNING.

BUT WE MAY ALREADY HAVE A, UH, UM, SOME DO NOT TRESPASS AND, AND OTHER SIGNAGE OUT THERE.

UM, WE'RE PUTTING THE POSTS IN SOON FOR POTENTIAL GATES IN THE FUTURE.

UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, BUT AT LEAST THEY WILL BE ON THE MAINTENANCE ENTRANCE, UH, THE NUMBER ONE ENTRYWAY THAT WE USE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS WILLIAM TRIPLET.

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CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS, UH, WILLIAM TRIPLET.

MY ADDRESS IS, UH, ONE 11 MU LANE, UM, IN YORKTOWN.

I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE THIS IS, UH, PROPOSED.

UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I ALSO, AS MR. BROOKS HAS SAID, UM, I'VE NOTICED THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME OUT THERE DOING BAD THINGS AND I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO LIKE LIMIT ACCESS TO THAT PARKING LOT AT NIGHT.

IT'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA CREATE A HANGOUT SPOT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

UH, TIMOTHY CROSS, MR. CROSS, AND AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE IN THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIRMAN CHAMBERLAIN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS TIM CROSS.

I RESIDE AT 1 0 9 HOLLOWAY DRIVE IN QUEENS LAKE.

I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THIS ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT 'CAUSE IT EVOLVES AN ISSUE THAT WAS A MAJOR TOPIC OF DISCUSSION DURING THE RECENTLY COMPLETED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST HAS ACQUIRED A LOT OF LAND IN THE COUNTY IN RECENT YEARS, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT OUR CONSERVATION GOALS SHOULD BE.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE LAND OFF THE TAX ROLL JUST TO PREVENT IT FROM BEING DEVELOPED, OR DO WE WANT TO, UH, PUT IT TO SOME GOOD USE THAT DIRECT DIRECTLY BENEFITS THE CITIZENS.

AND I APPLAUD THE TRUST FOR BRINGING FORTH THIS PROPOSAL TO OPEN UP THIS HISTORIC SITE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

UH, I WOULD JUST ADD ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT IS TO ASSIST IN PRESERVING CONSERVATION AREAS AND MAKING THEM ACCESSIBLE TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

THE OBJECTIVE FURTHER STATES THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD SEEK OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE OPEN SPACE ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF GREENWAYS TRAILS AND SIMILAR FACILITIES.

IN ADDITION, ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES ELEMENT IS TO SUPPORT AND COORDINATE WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND TOURISM ORGANIZATIONS AND JOINT EFFORTS TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND ENCOURAGE VISITATION TO YORK COUNTY'S HISTORIC SITES.

AND THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST IS SPECIFICALLY NAMED AS ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT THE COUNT, UH, COUNTY SHOULD SUPPORT.

WITH REGARD TO THE MULCH TRAIL, I DON'T KNOW, SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE AN ISSUE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MIGHT BE, UH, UH, UH, AMENABLE TO, UH, DOING THE, UH, THE STONE TRAIL.

BUT, UH, AND I, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S CONCERNS AND I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT MALL TRAILS ARE NOT DESIRABLE OR APPROPRIATE IN SUBDIVISIONS AND OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, THE DEVELOPERS LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAP TO INSTALL.

UH, BUT ONCE THE DEVELOPER IS GONE, THE COST OF MAINTAINING THEM FALLS ON THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, UH, WHICH MIGHT NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO PROPER MAINTENANCE, UH, IN A PARK-LIKE SETTING LIKE THIS.

HOWEVER, I, I WAS, WOULD HOPE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY.

UM, MY WIFE AND I ENJOY WALKING AND HIKING THE TRAILS IN OUR VARIOUS NATIONAL STATE AND LOCAL PARKS AND HISTORIC SITES, AND MOST OF THEM DO NOT HAVE A STONE SURFACE.

IN FACT, JUST LAST WEEK AND I TOOK A WALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE TRAILS IN THE COUNTY'S NEW QUARTER PARK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF QUEENS LAKE, AND ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME STONE TRAILS, MOST OF THEM SEEM TO BE A MIX OF DIRT MULCH AND LEAF LITTER.

UH, I THINK THESE NATURAL TRAIL SERVICES ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE AMBIANCE OF THESE NATURAL AND HISTORIC SETTINGS.

UH, SO AGAIN, I WOULD HOPE THERE COULD BE SOME ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY, UH, IF NECESSARY.

UH, PERHAPS YOU COULD, IF MAINTENANCE IS A CONCERN, PERHAPS YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION ESTABLISHING A REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW OR HAVE THE USE PERMIT REVOKED.

UH, JUST A THOUGHT, BUT, UH, EITHER WAY I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.

WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I DO SUPPORT THIS USE.

THAT'S ALL THE SHEETS I HAVE.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? PLEASE, PLEASE COME UP.

AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

TRIPLET ONE 11 MU LANE, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SPEAK ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING OR ANY SAFETY AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN CRAWFORD ROAD.

I KNOW SINCE I'VE LIVED THERE, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF SEVERE ACCIDENTS.

UM, AND PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SPEEDING DOWN THAT ROAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE CURB THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THE PARK.

I THINK THE WALKING TRAIL IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS FAR AS TRAFFIC.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE WITH THAT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION?

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I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE, WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE GATE AT NIGHT.

THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE FOR ME AND FOR, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT.

AND I KNOW YOU PROBABLY BATTLEFIELD TRUST WOULD LIKE TO DO IT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE AT THE EVENING IN THE MORNING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY AUTOMATED THING YOU COULD USE.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE OPERATING ON SLIM MARGINS AS FAR AS BUDGET IS CONCERNED.

UM, I DO SUPPORT, I AGREE WITH MR. CROSS'S COMMENT ABOUT NATURAL PATH IS BETTER, RIGHT? UM, IT FITS IN, IT'S ALREADY A WOODED AREA, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WANTED TO WALK OUT THERE, YOU'RE ALREADY WALKING IN A LEAVE.

SO, UM, I MEAN, GOING OVERBOARD AND IMPROVING A WALKWAY TO MAKE IT LOOK, UH, UH, OUT OF TOUCH WITH NATURE, YOU'RE DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF WHY YOU'RE BRINGING PEOPLE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IN MY PLAN OPINION, UM, I, THE GATE I CAN, UH, SUPPORT THIS AND I'M HOPING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, SOMEONE HAS A SUGGESTION ON HOW WE COULD GET THE GATE SO WE COULD CLOSE IT, UH, AT, UH, WHEN IT GETS DARK AND THEN OPEN AGAIN IN THE MORNING.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK, THANK YOU MR. BROOKS.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A GREAT IDEA AND PRESERVING, UM, THIS AREA.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR'S POINT OF VIEW AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE SPEED ON CRAWFORD ROAD.

THAT HAS BEEN A, THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS.

THAT'S NOT ANYTHING NEW BEFORE THIS EVEN CAME TO PLAY.

UH, EVERYBODY USES THAT AS A SHORTCUT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER HOW YOU'RE GONNA CORRECT THAT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME MORE PATROLS WILL HELP AS WELL.

I ALSO HOPE WITH THIS BEING THERE, IT MAY DETER SOME PEOPLE FROM NOT COMING IN THOSE AREAS, BUT EXPERIENCE TELLS ME YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES, ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING.

UM, AND I, I, I REALLY AM, I'M GONNA BE, I'M SOUNDING REDUNDANT, BUT YOU NEED A CAMERA OUT THERE, UH, TO, TO DO THIS.

YOU NEED ALL THE LIGHTS YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND THE GATE ISSUE IS, IS A PROBLEM.

UM, BUT I'M LIKE MIKE, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT.

BUT I DO WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED, LIKE MR. CROSS WAS SAYING, WHETHER MULCH OR, OR NATURAL THING.

IF I THINK ABOUT WHEELCHAIRS AND, AND WE'RE GONNA CUT, WE'RE GONNA PAVE THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE OF WHEELCHAIRS.

PUSHING A WHEELCHAIR DOWN THROUGH MULCH IS KIND OF A PAIN.

UH, I'D MUCH RATHER DO IT ON JUST GRASS OR DIRT OR ANYTHING.

BUT THE ONLY THING WOULD BE WORSE THAN MULCH WOULD BE GRAVEL.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE VERY BAD.

SO, UH, IF WE COULD SEE A WAY TO GET AROUND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE, UH, SIDES AND LET, LET 'EM HAVE THE MULCH, UH, OR NATURAL, IT WOULD BE, I WOULD LIKE SUPPORT IT MORE.

BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES MYSELF WITH, WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S MET ALL OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPER HAS MADE SOME EFFORTS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WELL.

I ON THE GATE, UH, ISSUE, I MEAN, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT OPTIONS OF DOING A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, UH, PARK SERVICE, UH, TO HAVE THEIR, WHENEVER THEIR STAFF GOES AROUND AND CLOSES THINGS AT THE END OF THE EVENING TO ADD THIS SITE TO THEIR ROUNDS? POSSIBLY.

I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER, UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO ADDRESS AND I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, UM, CALL IT RY I GUESS WHAT OUT IN THAT AREA.

THIS MAY ACTUALLY BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO REVERSE THAT I WOULD HOPE.

UM, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING THERE THAT'S NOT THERE NOW.

IT'S JUST AN OPEN AREA.

UM, AND, UH, MAYBE EVEN GOING TO, UH, VDOT AND, AND REQUESTING A SPEED HUMP OUT THERE WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING EITHER.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, SO, AND I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT, UM, IT'S A GREAT ADD FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA AND GREAT USE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR IF I GOT THIS RIGHT NOW, PC 25 DASH 10.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR PC 25 DASH 10.

THE MOTION BY MR. BROOKS IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 DASH 10 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF UH, RECREATIONAL TRAIL AND PARKING LOT LOCATED AT 3 93 AND 4 0 1 CRAWFORD ROAD.

MR. SMITH? YES.

AGENDA IS A CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO CERTAIN FILING AND INSPECTION FEES WITH THE YORK COUNTY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

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[Application Nos. ST-025-25 and ZT-206-25, York County Board of Supervisors: Consider amendments to certain filing and inspection fees within the York County Subdivision Ordinance (Chapter 20.5), Section 20.5- 13, Fees, and certain filing and inspection fees within the York County Zoning Ordinance (Chapter 24.1), Section 24.1-108, Filing Fees. Caitlin Aubut, AICP, Acting Principal Planner]

THAT IS REALLY WE'RE NOT SHIFTING TOO MUCH OF THE COST BURDEN.

SO AS ALLUDED TO IN OUR APPLICATION TITLES, THIS IS UH, TWO POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY TO THE FILING FEES IN THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS.

I'M GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME BACKGROUND FOR THESE BEFORE WE KIND OF GET INTO THE MEAT OF WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE.

YOU MIGHT RECALL IF YOU WATCHED THE WORK SESSIONS FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THE HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS FROM LAST YEAR AND THE JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.

THERE'S A SUGGESTION FROM SOME OF THE SUPERVISORS REGARDING PLAN RESUBMITTAL AND SOME DISCUSSION OVER, YOU KNOW, PLANS, SITE PLANS PARTICULARLY GETTING RESUBMITTED MULTIPLE TIMES AND THIS IDEA OF MAYBE THERE'D BE A RESUBMITTAL FEE.

SO WE TUCK THAT BACK INTO OUR BRAINS AS STAFF HELD ONTO IT.

UM, AND IF YOU WATCH THE MARCH 18TH BOARD MEETING, YOU KNOW, MR. BELLAMY DID PRESENT HIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO THE BOARD ON.

AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU WATCH THAT PRESENTATION WAS SOME PROPOSED FEE CHANGES FOR SITE PLAN SUBDIVISIONS AND THEN PLANNING APPLICATIONS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS.

STAFF RAN A COMPARISON WITH OUR NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES.

WE LOOKED AT JAMES CITY, GLOUCESTER, ISLE OF WHITE, NEWPORT NEWS HAMPTON.

AND WHAT WE DID THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE CITIES 'CAUSE THE SCALE, BUT WE WANTED TO SEE OKAY, WHAT ARE PEOPLE CHARGING FOR SITE PLAN SUBDIVISIONS, APPLICATIONS, WHERE DO WE STACK UP? WHAT THAT KIND OF REVEALED WAS, YOU KNOW, YORK, WE TEND TO CHARGE LESS FOR SITE PLANS AND RIGHT NOW A LOT LESS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND REZONING APPLICATIONS.

CONVERSELY, AND THIS AGAIN IS MORE SPECIFIC TO THESE PLANNING APPLICATIONS, THE COST OF WE ARE REQUIRED BY STATE CODE TO PUBLISH PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE DAILY PRESS.

AND THAT COST HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY AS INFLATION HAS OCCURRED.

WHAT WE DID THERE IS WE LOOKED AT, OKAY, WHERE CAN WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO AGAIN KIND OF MATCH OR YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE, BUT WE KIND OF WANNA BE IN THE MIDDLE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE CHARGING FOR PLAN REVIEW.

WE ALSO WANNA BE ABLE TO COVER OUR AD COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M GONNA COVER SOME TERMINOLOGY ABOUT DIFFERENT KINDS OF SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLANS.

SOME OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THESE TERMS, OTHERS MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH.

THIS IS KIND OF BRINGING YOU ALL UP TO SPEED.

SO WHEN I REFER TO A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR A SUBDIVISION, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS DETAILED THAN A FULL DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IT'S VOLUNTARY.

IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER SUBDIVISION UNDER 50 LOTS, IF YOU'RE VERY LARGE LIKE ROSE HILL SIZE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO, THAT'S REQUIRED THAT YOU SUBMIT THAT A FULL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR ANY SUBDIVISION.

AND THAT PLAN SHOWS US THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, STORM WATER GRADING, WHERE THE UTILITY'S GOING TO GO AND THE LAYOUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION.

ONCE YOU GET AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT LEADS YOU TO YOUR FINAL PLAT AND THAT IS THAT LEGAL DOCUMENT GETS RECORDED AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE AT THE CIRCUIT COURT THAT SHOWS YOUR PROPERTY LINES.

YOU HAVE TO RECORD YOUR PLAT BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SELL ANY OF YOUR NEW LOTS IN YOUR SUBDIVISION.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO KINDS OF SITE PLANS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN THE FILING FEES FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THERE'S A KIND OF YOUR, WHAT YOU PROBABLY THINK OF WHEN YOU THINK OF A SITE PLAN AND THE COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN, AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR LAYOUT AND YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE FEE FOR UM, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS OR TOWNHOUSES.

AGAIN, THESE GET FILED AS SITE PLANS.

UM, TERMINOLOGY'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THERE, BUT THESE ARE LIKE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.

I'M GONNA DIVE INTO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

SO WITH YOUR MEMO AND YOUR PROPOSED RESOLUTION, YOU ALSO GOT A LITTLE CHART AND THE CHART SHOWED YOU, OKAY, HERE'S , THE DIFFERENT SECTION, DIFFERENT FEES IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

WHAT ARE THEY RIGHT NOW AND THEN WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING IN THAT LEFT CONS LIKE A LITTLE EXCEL SHEET.

SO AGAIN, WHEN WE COMPARED OUR COSTS TO OTHER LOCALITIES, WE DECIDED, OKAY, WE'RE WE PRO WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY MESS WITH THE COST FOR PRELIMINARY OR FULL DEVELOPMENT PLANS.

FINAL PLATS, WE DID PROPOSE AN INCREASE FROM $60 PLUS $5 A ALLOT TO $10 AND THEN SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CHARGE FOR ACREAGE.

IF YOU LOOK AT HOW WE CHARGE FILING FEES, COMPETITOR LOCALITIES, IT LOOKS REALLY DIFFERENT.

A LOT OF THEM CHARGE THESE LUMP SUMS OR LARGER AMOUNTS BASED ON LIKE GROSS ACREAGE.

OURS IS STRUCTURED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

SO WE HAVE A SMALLER BASE SUM AND THEN WE CHARGE PER LOT.

AND THE IDEA BY

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ON A SMALLER SUBDIVISION, YOU HAVE THESE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS WHERE IT'S YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO LOT AND MAYBE IT'S A HOMEOWNER VERSUS AGAIN LIKE THE FON MILL OF THE WORLD, WHICH IS SEVERAL HUNDRED.

SO THIS FEE STRUCTURE'S DESIGNED TO DO IS AGAIN, MORE OF THAT COST BURDEN'S GONNA SHIFT TO THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA PENALIZE THOSE SMALLER DEVELOPERS.

SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION INSPECTION FEE.

JUST A NOMINAL FROM 30 TO $35 PLUS $5 PER LOT.

SO OF BOLD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO A LITTLE INTERESTING UH, QUIRK IN OUR FILING FEES FOR SITE PLANS, WE CURRENTLY CHARGE $130 IF YOU HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN AND YOU COME BACK AS A CONSULTANT OR DEVELOPER AND HAVE TO AMEND IT FOR SOME REASON THESE ARE MINOR CHANGES.

YOU PAY THIS FILING FEE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WRITTEN INTO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS DEVELOPMENT PLANS HAVE BEEN AMENDED UP TO FIVE TIMES.

AND SO THIS POINT'S LIKE WE NEED TO CHARGE FOR THESE.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THERE.

YOU ALSO SEE EM BOLDED, A SUBDIVISION PLANNER, PLAT RESUBMITTAL FEE.

THIS WOULD BE FOR THE THIRD OR SUBSEQUENT SUBMISSION.

AND AGAIN, THE IDEA FOR THAT IS TO REUSE SOME OF THAT COST FOR STAFF TIME OR REVIEW.

YOU MIGHT, MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE AWARE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ALSO DID RECENTLY PASS A BILL THAT SHORTENS OUR REVIEW TIMEFRAME.

SO IT'S REALLY CRITICAL NOW THAT WHEN WE GET PLANS OR PLOTS IN FROM CONSULTANTS, THAT THEY BE OF QUALITY, THEY HAVE ALL THE PIECES AND PARTS THEY NEED AND WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH FOUR OR FIVE SIX REVIEWS.

AND SO WHAT WAS KINDA I TO DO IS, OKAY, YOU GO TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF REVIEWS AND YOU HAVE TO START PAYING TO KIND OF INCENTIVIZE.

WE GET SOME QUALITY CONTROL ON THOSE PLANS.

AND LAST YEAR IS THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY REVIEW FEE, WHICH IS A DEPOSIT.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD, OKAY, LEMME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

, THE COUNTY HAS A NUMBER OF ARCHEOLOGICAL HISTORIC SITES.

WHEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE, THERE'S A PROCESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND A STUDY THAT A PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGIST AND THEIR TEAM PREPARES THAT'S MET CRITERIA THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES USED TO REVIEW THOSE PHASE.

THEY'RE CALLED LIKE PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO OR PHASE THREE STUDY, LIKE ONE KIND OF LEADS TO THE OTHER.

THEY WOULD REVIEW THOSE FOR US.

WE GOT A LETTER ABOUT, I WANNA SAY A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IF I'M, OR YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT EXACT DATE THAT FOR US IN JAMES CITY, KIND OF OUR REGION, THE DHR IS NOT GOING TO REVIEW THOSE STUDIES ANYMORE.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW IS WHEN WE GET A NEW PHASE ONE, TWO, OR THREE STUDY, WE HAVE TO CALL OUR ON NOW ON-CALL CONSULTANT AND HAVE THEM REVIEW THAT STUDY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT IN-HOUSE PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGISTS THAT CAN REVIEW A PHASE ONE PLAN FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE DHR STANDARDS.

SO WHAT THIS DEPOSIT IS INTENDED TO DO, AGAIN, IT'S TIERED BECAUSE EACH OF THESE STUDIES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN THE OTHER.

AND IT'S KIND OF MEANT TO SORT OF REFLECT WHAT THE AVERAGE COST IS THAT THE CONSULTANT CHARGES.

THE REASON IT'S A DEPOSIT, AND WE HAVE A SIMILAR FUNCTION FOR STREETLIGHTS, IS THAT WE COLLECT THE DEPOSIT AND IF WE, THE CONSULTANT DOESN'T END UP CHARGING US AS MUCH, THEN WE WILL REMIT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT MONEY IS THAT WE DIDN'T SPEND, THEY ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DON'T GET A VERY GOOD STUDY AND THEY HAVE TO REVIEW IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES AND WE SUBSEQUENTLY GET CHARGED THAT AMOUNT, THEN WE CAN ASK FOR THAT TO BE COVERED.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE DEPOSIT FUNCTIONS KIND OF INTENDED TO DO.

AGAIN, TO KIND OF JUST COVER THOSE COSTS THAT WE'RE BEING CHARGED.

NOW I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THOSE FILING FEES.

UM, I'M BROKE THIS UP INTO TWO PARTS.

I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT PLANNING APPLICATIONS, SO LIKE S REZONINGS AND THEN I'M GONNA KIND OF MOVE INTO THE FILING FEES FOR SITE PLANS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THAT FEE, HOWEVER, WE ARE PROPOSING A INCREASE FOR SPECIAL OTHER, ALL OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS TO $750.

THIS WOULD MATCH WHAT WE CHARGE FOR THE BASE FEE FOR REZONINGS.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY INTENDED TO COVER THE COST OF THE AD THAT WE PUT IN THE DAILY PRESS.

WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE TWICE, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TRYING TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS.

THEY'VE GONE UP QUITE A BIT.

REZONING, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE BASE FEE BUT INCREASING THE PER ACREAGE FEE.

THIS IS AGAIN, TO KIND OF MATCH WHETHER LOCALITIES ARE DOING WHERE THEY'RE CHARGING A LOT MORE FOR ACREAGE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR EVERY ACRE IN EXCESS OF FIVE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A REALLY SMALL, LIKE WHAT LITTLE LIKE YOU KNOW WITH THE CASE YOU HEARD LAST MONTH WHERE IT WAS THE SINGLE RESIDENTIAL SMALL LOT, WE WOULDN'T BE CHARGING THEM IN THIS CASE.

AGAIN, IF YOU'RE A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD, WE DO HAVE A MAXIMUM FEE THOUGH THAT'S BUILT IN.

SAME FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE AD FEES FOR IF YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S POSTPONED AFTER IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE APPLICANT, THEN WE WOULD, WE ALREADY CHARGE FOR IF IT'S HAS TO BE READVERTISED TO THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONER, BOARD AND COMMISSION.

SO WE'RE JUST INCREASING THE FEES AGAIN TO MATCH THE AD COST FLIGHT BUMP IN A REQUEST TO

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THE BZA.

WE'VE ALSO INCREASED THE FEE SLIGHTLY FROM 60 TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR AD MODS AND THEN FOR DETAILED ZONING LETTERS, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF THESE ACTUALLY OUT OF THE DIVISIONAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THESE ARE REALLY DETAILED LETTERS THAT TALK ABOUT, LIKE, IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THIS IS WHAT YOUR ZONING IS, BUT YOU GET INTO WHAT'S PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEY DO TAKE SOME STAFF TIME TO PRODUCE.

SO WE WANT THAT TO AGAIN, KIND OF COVER THAT FOR SITE PLANS, NO CHANGES TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING MUCH TO THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL FEE FOR COMMERCIAL SITE PLANS, AN INCREASE FROM 60 CENTS TO $1 PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, BUT WE'RE LEAVING THE BASE FEE ALONE.

YOU'LL SEE HERE, THIS IS THE LARGER ONE, THIS NEW FEE, AGAIN, THAT'S THAT RESUBMITTAL FEE.

SO THE THIRD OR SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTAL IS 150.

THEN FOR EACH ONE AFTER WE'RE GONNA INCREASE IT BY $50.

AGAIN, THAT'S TO REALLY INCENTIVIZE THE CONSULTANT TO PRODUCE A PLAN THAT IS APPROVABLE, SO WE'RE NOT REVIEWING IT MULTIPLE TIMES.

AND AGAIN, HERE, JUST THAT ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY REVIEW FEE AS WELL.

THAT IS A VERY QUICK AND FAST SUMMATION OF ALL THOSE CHANGES.

UM, AGAIN, THIS OUTLINE KIND OF, SO WE HAVE THE FULL TEXT OF THE RESOLUTION AND THEN THAT LITTLE SNAPSHOT THERE AND THAT CHART FOR YOU.

AND WITH THAT, WE'RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS IN PC 25 12.

THIS IS, IF YOU CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TONIGHT, IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEXT TUESDAY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

UM, BEFORE THE BUDGET IS ADOPTED, COMMENTS FROM STAFF START THIS WAY.

QUICK QUESTION ON THE REVISED SECTION G, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, FEES MM-HMM .

UM, THE FINAL REVIEW COST, IS THAT IN-HOUSE OR IS THAT CONTRACTED OUT? IS THERE THE FINAL REVIEW COST WOULD BE WHAT, AGAIN, THAT CONSULTANT THAT'S REVIEWING, IT'S WHATEVER THAT FINAL COST IS GONNA BE THAT THEY'RE GONNA END UP CHARGING US.

UM, SO IT'S A THIRD PARTY THAT, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF UNPREDICTABLE, I GUESS.

I JUST WANTED, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL START CLOSE IN.

MS TA COMMENT, I MM-HMM .

ARE THE FEES AND ALL THESE THINGS.

THERE'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A COST BASIS, IT'S KIND OF A WINDAGE IN ELEVATION, WHAT SURROUNDING, UH, SURROUNDING ENTITIES CHARGE, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, UH, CONSULTANTS WOULD CHARGE FOR ARCHEOLOGICAL THINGS AND THE REST OF IT.

I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I GET OUT OF THIS.

THERE'S NO, I CAN'T, I CAN'T LOOK DOWN AND DRILL DOWN AND SAY THE COST IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE 10 HOURS OF LABOR AND 15 HOURS OF SOMETHING ELSE.

AND, AND ON AND ON.

IT'S KIND OF A, THIS, THIS ORGANIZATION CHARGES THIS AND THIS ONE CHARGES THIS AND EH, WE'RE GONNA BE GOOD AND WE'RE GONNA CHARGE IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

IS THAT, IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? I WOULDN'T SAY WHOLLY, UM, , SINCE WE DON'T DO BILLABLE HOURS HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO, FOR US, TO ME TO BREAK DOWN EXACTLY LIKE, OKAY, I, YOU SPENT, YOU KNOW, THIS AMOUNT OF EXACT HOURS REVIEWING THIS SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REFLECT AND WHAT WE'VE REALLY SEEN, UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK TO THE RESUBMITTAL FEE HERE SPECIFICALLY, IS THAT, UM, THE TREND HAS BEEN A BIT LATELY THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING SITE PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED AND THEY'RE MISSING A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO SEND THAT BACK OUT, COMES BACK, IT'S STILL NOT MEETING.

AND SO IT'S JUST THIS, AGAIN, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE ROUNDS OF REVIEW.

AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, AGAIN, KIND OF INCENTIVIZE, WE NEED A BIT HIGHER QU WE DON'T WANNA BE THE QUALITY CONTROL FOR THE CONSULTANT.

SO THEY'RE ALSO TO KEEP FROM HAVING, UH, BOGUS OR FRIVOLOUS THINGS COME IN AND LET YOU FIX 'EM VERSUS THE PEOPLE THAT SUBMIT 'EM FIX 'EM THE FIRST TIME.

SO IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S GOTTA BE HIGH ENOUGH TO KEEP THE BOGUS OR FRIVOLOUS THINGS OUT AND ENOUGH TO KIND OF COVER PART OF THE COST A BIT.

THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE MM-HMM .

AND THE, I CAN SAY FOR THE PLANNING APPLICATIONS, THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE AD COSTS FOR THE DAILY PRESS.

THAT'S LARGELY DRIVING THAT IN INCREASE.

MR. BROOKS, REGARDING THE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE.

YES.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SHIPPO DOES NOT HAVE TO REVIEW ANY OF THIS ANYMORE.

THEY ARE NOT, UM, SO YOUR BURDEN, THE WORK AND THE CONTRACTOR OR WHOEVER IT IS, BURDEN THE COST.

BASICALLY.

WHICH PERSONALLY, THAT'S A GOOD THING, I THINK.

IT'S ELIMINATING ANOTHER LAYER.

KEEP THE SHIPPO OUT.

THEY HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT , THEY'RE NOT REVIEWING IT FOR US.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S A, IT TO ME IT'S ELIMINA.

GOTCHA.

IS, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD.

MR. SMITH AND C**S COMMENTS? KING MIKE KING.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'M LOOKING ONE WAY AND THINKING THE OTHER WAY.

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AT THIS POINT I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'VE GOT ONE, ONE SHEET.

MR. CROSS.

HELLO AGAIN.

MY NAME IS TIM CROSS.

I RESIDE AT 1 0 9 HOLLOWAY DRIVE IN QUEENS LAKE.

UH, MY, MY EVENING IS SHOT ANYWAY, SO I FIGURED I'D STICK AROUND.

MIGHT AS WELL STICK AROUND AND SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION.

UM, I SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, APPLICATION FEES FOR REZONING SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

THE PROPOSED APPLICATION FEE INCREASES ARE VERY REASONABLE.

IF ANYTHING, THEY DON'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AN ANALYSIS WAS DONE, UH, WHICH SHOWED THAT OUR, UH, UH, APPLICATION FEES WERE NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE TO COVERING THE COST OF ADVERTISING THESE APPLICATIONS.

AND TO ADDRESS THIS PROPOSED FEE INCREASES WERE SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY WEREN'T APPROVED.

UH, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY WERE PACKAGED WITH SOME OTHER, UH, TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT GENERATED SOME PUBLIC OPPOSITION.

UM, I BELIEVE THE COST OF ADVERTISING THESE APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE BORNE BY THE APPLICANTS AND NOT THE TAXPAYERS.

AND ALTHOUGH THERE WERE SOME FEE INCREASES IMPOSED A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, I SUSPECT WE'RE STILL NOT COVERING OUR ADVERTISING EXPENSES.

SO I URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION.

WE'LL START DOWN THERE.

MR. KING.

HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP TRACK.

I MEAN, KEEP UP PACE.

UH, THE WORK THE STAFF DOES IS, DOESN'T COME CLOSE TO THE MONEY THEY, UH, RECEIVE IN RETURN FOR ANYTHING THEY DO.

AND, UH, IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S A GOVERNMENT FUNCTION.

IT'S NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, RIGHT.

SO THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT EVEN COMING CLOSE.

SO I SUPPORT THIS AND WE'RE NOT THE LEADER IN HAMPTON ROSE, BY THE WAY.

IT'S SEVERAL OTHER LOCALITIES, MANY THAT ARE SOME, SOME OF 'EM TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT WE CHARGE.

SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MR. BROOKS.

YEAH, I AGREE.

AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH TIM.

IT SHOULD BE HIGHER.

UH, AND THEN THE, THE, THE BURDEN SHOULD BE ALSO PLACED ON OTHER PEOPLE PAYING THE COST AS WELL VERSUS THE TAXPAYER.

OKAY, MR. MILLER? ALRIGHT.

THAT IS, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

THE ONLY, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS HAVING SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE STAFF REVIEWING PAST, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, I THINK THESE ARE VERY INEXPENSIVE.

UH, THE STAFF SPENDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME, NOT ONLY FROM THE DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT COMES IN THAT WANTS TO SEE THESE DOCUMENTS, THAT WANTS TO REVIEW 'EM, THAT HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

STAFF IS VERY, VERY RESPONSIVE TO THAT.

AND, AND I THINK THESE ARE BARGAIN PRICES.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON PC 25 DASH 12 IF I HAVE THAT ONE RIGHT.

ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I RECOMMEND THAT WE FORWARD PC 25 DASH 12 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADOPT PC 25 DASH 12 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO AMEND AND ESTABLISH CERTAIN FEES WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

CHAPTER 20.5, UH, YORK COUNTY CODE, AND WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTER 21.1 OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE.

NOW, MR. TITUS? YES.

MR. BROOKS? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

AND MR. CHAMBERLAIN? YES.

A MOTION PASSES.

MR. SMITH APPROVES TOO.

AND MR. SMITH .

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE AN OLD BUSINESS.

WE GOT, WE GOT, IT'S AFTER NEW

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BUSINESS, SO WE'VE GOT, YEAH, WELL, SO WE'VE GOT NEW BUSINESS.

IS THE CIP DO WE NEED, DO I NEED TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT OR IS IT JUST FOR PRESENTATION? NO, IT'S JUST FOR YOU.

JUST FOR OUR APPROVAL.

RESOLUTION TO CERTIFY CONFORMANCE, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE CIP ITS RELATION QUESTION.

UM, WON'T TALK EARS TOO MUCH.

WHAT THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, UM, ANNUAL FUNCTION THAT YOU ALL DO.

AND THIS IS JUST TO CERTIFY AGAIN, CONFORMANCE OF THE PROPOSED CIP WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UM, AS EARL MENTIONED, NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THIS ACTION NEEDS TO OCCUR, UH, PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 26.

SO WITH THAT, UM, IF YOU ALL WANT TO ADOPT THAT

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I HAVE A QUICK MR. KING, GO FIRST.

NO, I THINK THE PACKAGE WAS VERY THOROUGHLY PREPARED.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON OF NOTHING HERE ON THIS END.

MR. TUS? YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IT'S UNDER THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION PROJECTS.

AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CERTIFY THIS, THAT IT TIES IN WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT TALKS ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS AND I'M LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? AND IT'S, THE COST IS LIKE $700,000 NEXT YEAR.

AND I'M GOING, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CERTIFY SOMETHING THAT JUST SAYS OTHER, YOU SAID THAT WAS IN THE SCHOOL DIVISION'S PROPOSED? YEAH.

A LITTLE TRICKY.

UM, SO THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION, UM, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD'S CIP IS WRAPPED INTO THE PROPOSED CIP.

UM, AND EARL YOU CAN JUMP IN ON THAT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALL REALLY LOOKING AT THE COUNTY'S PROPOSED CIP AND ITS CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN.

JUST TELL ME WHAT PAGE.

YEAH, RIGHT HERE.

COUNTY SCHOOL PROGRAM.

YEAH, PAGE, PAGE 15 IN THE ATTACHMENT.

USUALLY FOR OTHER PROJECTS IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, SMALLER, SMALLER ITEMS LIKE GENERATORS BEING ADDED TO THE SCHOOLS OR ROOF REPLACEMENTS.

UM, IT'S USUALLY DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MUCH A GENERATOR COSTS TO PUT IN ON A BUILDING.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING THESE LARGE DIESEL GENERATORS.

I MEAN, THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND THIS BUILDING HERE WAS, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, VERY PRICEY.

SO, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE THERE TO RUN THE BUILDING FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES IN MOST CASES JUST FOR THE GENERATOR.

BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT THAT LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, WE'D HAVE TO DELVE INTO IT, BUT USUALLY IT'S SMALLER PROJECTS, A BUNCH OF SMALLER PROJECTS THAT THEY KIND OF PUT TOGETHER INTO THAT, THAT OTHER CATEGORY.

UM, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SATISFACTORY .

WHAT? WELL, IT IS WHAT IT IS ON THAT, BUT IT'S JUST THE IDEA THAT, THAT JUST REALLY CAUGHT MY EYE.

IT SAYS OTHER AND, AND YOU GO, WHAT IS THAT FOR? AND WHAT AM I CERTIFIED THAT IT'S A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WOULD THERE BE ANY REASON NOT TO INCLUDE SOME KIND OF, I'M SORRY.

I DO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

UM, OKAY.

SO YOU ATTACHED TO THE YEAH, THIS CHART HERE, YOU SEE THIS IS THE ACTUAL LIKE BROKEN OUT ITEMS FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, CIP.

SO YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT PAGE YEAH, IT'S YOUR VERY LAST ONE IN THAT CHART BEFORE YOU GET TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT SHEETS.

SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S, UM, RIGHT UNDER TEMPORARY MODULAR CLASSROOMS, THERE'S THE REPLACEMENT OF THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.

OH, IT IS? YES.

PAGE 100.

I GUESS IT'S ON OUR HANDOUT.

RIGHT? PERFECT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

YES.

OH, I DON'T SEE IT YET.

WHERE YOU AT? OH, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE.

I'M OH, OKAY.

, I GOT A QUESTION.

YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE.

MR. TY PAGE RIGHT THERE.

SO LISTS ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OTHER PROJECTS.

OH, OKAY.

YEAH, THIS ANSWERS IT.

THAT'S PERFECT, ROGERS.

ALL RIGHTY.

AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WOULD BE, THERE'S ASTERISK ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS.

IS THAT A FOR A REASON? LIKE ONE THAT SAYS ASTERISK PERMANENT STRUCTURE, RIVERWALK STAGE AREA AND IT'S ASTERISK AND I CAN'T FIND ANY WORD.

I BELIEVE, UM, IN THE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT SHEETS OR THE TABLE? TABLE.

THE TABLE.

UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 TO HAVE HIGH SCHOOL.

I BELIEVE SO.

SOME OF THESE, UM, AND I ALSO GRADE THOSE OUT IN THE MEMO.

SOME OF THESE WERE LIKE ALREADY PROPOSED AND THE FUNDING YEARS HAVE BEEN SWITCHED.

SO I BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE, THE ASTERISK IS MET TO INDICATE THAT THIS ISN'T A BRAND NEW PROJECT.

THE FUNDING YEAR HAS JUST BEEN CHANGED AND THE MONEY'S BEEN SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT GLEN IS SAYING 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS TOO IN,

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GOT IT.

IS GOT GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM FOR $16,797,000.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM AND YEP.

THEY HAVE VERY LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

I WASN'T AT THERE, SO I'M OKAY.

ABOUT BEEN A, IT WAS A, AND I'VE, I'VE, UM, EXPERIENCED WITH GEOTHERMAL SYSTEMS WITH THE, WITH MY PREVIOUS AGENCY.

I QUESTION THAT ONE AND I KNOW I'M GONNA GO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT I JUST WANNA HOPE SOMEBODY LOOKS AT THAT AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.

'CAUSE THAT'S JUST AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

IF, IF YOU WATCH THE RERUN OF THE BOARD MEETING, IT'S IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL.

IT ACTUALLY DOES EXPLAIN IT.

THEY ASKED.

SO THEY DID EXPLAIN IT.

AND SO THERE IS AN ANSWER.

THERE IS AN ANSWER.

WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT.

I GOT, I GOT A CHUCKLE OUT OF THIS ONE BY THE WAY, JUST BECAUSE IT, IT WAS SO DIFFERENT.

UM, WAS IT ESPORTS BY CHANCE? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST ON PAGE 16 THERE OF THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER.

IT SAYS, UH, USER FEES FROM STEPHANIE'S CASH FLOW WORKSHEET AND IT JUST, I CHUCKLED ON IT.

YOU KNOW, ? YEAH.

THAT IS THE ESTIMATE OF, YOU KNOW, FEES THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT COLLECT.

YEAH, IT, YES.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S TITLED STEP MIGHT BE A LITTLE TITLED FROM STEPHANIE'S CASH FLOW WORKSHEET.

YOU WANNA KNOW WHO STEPHANIE IS? YEAH.

WITH THAT MR. KING, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING DOWN THERE? YOU'VE BEEN ALRIGHT? I HAVE NOTHING.

I, AND I, I HAVE NOTHING EITHER.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR PC 25 DASH 13.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 25 13 OVER TO THE BOARD ROLL CALL PLEASE.

I'M SORRY IT TOOK ME A SECOND.

A MOTION BY MR. SMITH IS TO CERTIFY CONFORMANCE OF THE PROPOSED YORK COUNTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FY 2026 TO 2031 WITH THE YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF PC 25 DASH 13.

UM, YOU KNOW, SHE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HER AGAIN NEXT MONTH.

MOTION PASSES.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE'VE

[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]

GOT, UH, STAFF REPORTS.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE, YOU, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT MS. MS. TARINI IS MISSING TONIGHT.

UM, SHE IS, UH, SPENDING SOME TIME WITH HER MOTHER WHO IS IN HOSPICE NOW.

UH, SO, UH, WE STAFF HAS STEPPED UP TO, TO HELP OUT WITH THAT.

BUT OUR, OUR PRAYERS AND WISHES GO OUT TO KATHY AS SHE'S GOING THROUGH THIS TIME WITH HER MOM.

UM, AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT, JUST SOME THINGS I WOULD NOTE TO YOU.

UM, AT THE BOARD'S MEETING NEXT WEEK, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, CARVER APPLICATION, WHICH WAS FOR THE CHICKEN COOP BEING CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, AND THAT WILL, AFTER THAT CASE IS DECIDED, THE BOARD WILL LOOK AT THE ACTUAL, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THEM THAT YOU ALL APPROVED, UM, TO BASICALLY REMOVE THAT SETBACK SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT FROM THAT SECTION.

SO, BUT THE, THE CARVERS GET TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR DAY IN COURT KIND OF, UH, BEFORE WE MAKE THE CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.

UH, THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS, UH, YOUR MEETING NEXT MONTH, UH, UH, HAVE THE VIRGINIA NATURAL GAS, UM, APPLICATION ON THERE.

THIS IS AT A SITE UP OFF OF SENTARA.

IT'S BASICALLY A REGULATOR SITE FOR THEM.

THEY'RE PUTTING IN, IT'S NOT VERY LARGE, IT'S KIND OF SMALL THERE OFF OF, UH, UM, THE, THE CIRCLE THAT GOES AROUND SENTARA UP AT THE HOSPITAL.

SO THEY'LL BE, UH, PUTTING THEIR, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THEM TO, TO DO THAT.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT YOUR NEXT APPLICATION, UH, THE ONLY OTHER TWO I WOULD, UH, NOTE IS ON THE BACK OF YOUR REPORT AT THE BOTTOM, THE LAND DISTURBING ACTIVITY PERMITS, ONE FOR THE RIVERSIDE HEATING AND AIR OFFICE WAREHOUSE AND THE OTHER FOR THE WADA TRANSFER STATION.

SO THOSE LAND DISTURBING ACTIVITY PERMITS WERE GRANTED, UM, IN EARLY MARCH.

AND SO IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY THOSE SITES, YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT THEY ARE, UH, BEING UNDER DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THE WATER ACTUALLY HAD THEIR GROUNDBREAKING LAST WEEK AND THEN THE RIVERSIDE HEATING AIR, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THERE NEAR CLIFFS.

UM, THEY PUT UP THE SILT FENCES, THEY'VE BEEN TAKING DOWN TREES AND STARTING THE SITE WORK THERE.

SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, OFFICE WAREHOUSE GOING IN ON THAT SITE HERE SOON.

OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE HIRED A, UM, A NEW PLANNER AND SHE WILL BE JOINING US AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY.

SO WE'LL GET TO INTRODUCE YOU TO HER.

UM, SHE WILL BE A FAMILIAR FACE, UH, AS SHE WAS ONE OF OUR INTERNS LAST SUMMER, UM, MADISON SCOFF.

SO SHE'LL BE HERE AND SHE'LL

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AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.