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GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THE APRIL 8TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
[1.* Virginia Peninsulas Public Service Authority (VPPSA) ]
YOU VERY MUCH.WE HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY THAT I THINK EVERYBODY WILL BE INTERESTED IN AND IT STARTS OUT AS WHO IS BIPSA.
SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU, BRIAN.
YOU ARE ALL WELL, I, UH, IT SHOULD BE DOWN THERE.
SLIDESHOW ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BOTTOM.
YOU SEE IT? BOTTOM ALL THE WAY.
TONIGHT WE ARE JOINED BY, UH, MS. JENNIFER WHEELER WITH VSA WHO, UH, SUPPLIES SERVICES TO, UM, 10 DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
EACH OF THE LOCALITIES IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, SHE'S GONNA GO OVER WHAT VSA DOES AND WHAT SERVICES THEY SUPPLY TO YORK COUNTY.
AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT VSA IS PAID FOR OUT OF THE WASTE MANAGEMENT ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH IS NOT GENERAL TAX DOLLARS.
IT IS PAID FOR BY THE SUBSCRIBERS TO BOTH TRASH AND RECYCLING SERVICES.
SO I WILL, UH, TURN IT OVER TO JENNIFER AND IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE, UH, BACK TO YOU AS FAST AS WE CAN.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY.
UM, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHO WE ARE IN OUR SERVICES AND THEN I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER.
SO THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA PUBLIC SERVICE AUTHORITY.
WE'RE A REGIONAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION.
WE'RE A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE AND WE SERVE 10 CITIES AND COUNTIES, UM, IN THIS AREA FOR OUR PENINSULA COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE CITY OF POCOS, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND THE CITY OF HAMPTON.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE FIVE MIDDLE PENINSULA COUNTIES.
UM, MATTHEWS, MIDDLESEX, ESSEX, KING AND QUEEN AND KING WILLIAM.
WE WERE FORMED IN 1989 THROUGH ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION.
AND THE FIRST BUDGET WAS APPROVED IN 1990.
WE ARE ULTIMATELY RUN THROUGH THE VSA BOARD, WHICH IS ONE COMMUNITY MEMBER FROM EACH JURISDICTION THAT SITS ON THE BOARD.
AND ALL OUR MAIN DECISIONS ARE DONE THROUGH VOTING WITH THIS BOARD.
SO HERE'S JUST KIND OF A MAP OF, OF ALL OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE DO SERVICE.
AND SO PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF VSA? WE'RE A WASTE AUTHORITY.
SO WE OVERSEE SOME OF THE PLANNING, SOLID WASTE PLANNING FOR THE REGION.
THIS IS REQUIRED BY THE VIRGINIA DEQ.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPDATING THIS, MAINTAINING THIS PLAN.
WE WORK COLLECTIVELY TO MEET STATE MANDATED RECYCLING OBJECTIVES AND GOALS.
WE ASSIST IN MINIMIZING MATERIALS GOING INTO LANDFILLS.
AND THEN WE ALSO OFFER COST SAVINGS TO THE COMMUNITIES THROUGH ECONOMY OF SCALE.
WE'RE ABLE TO GO OUT TO BID FOR LARGE SCALE CONTRACTS AND SERVICES AND HAVING A HIGHER POPULATION GETS US BETTER SERVICE RATES.
UM, WE ALSO SERVE TO HELP WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SERVICES 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE DEBRIS MONITORING MANAGEMENT AND REMOVAL CONTRACTS FOR STORM EVENTS.
THOSE WOULD BE THE THINGS LIKE, UH, CROWDER GOLF AND RESPONSE FOR HURRICANE ISABELLE WHERE YOU HAVE TO MATCH TICKETS AT GATES WITH FEMA COUNTY STAFF.
AND SO I DO KIND OF HAVE A, A BRIEF TIMELINE HERE, UM, FROM OUR ARTICLES OF CORPORATION TO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, HOW WE FIRST KIND OF CREATED A LOT OF OUR CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE WAS IN 1992.
UM, THE BOARD APPROVED RESOLUTION FOR FUNDING OF 13 MILLION IN BONDS.
THAT CREATED SOME OF OUR FIRST TRANSFER STATIONS IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA AS WELL AS OUR COMPOST FACILITY.
UM, FROM THAT WE'VE EXPANDED THESE TRANSFER STATIONS, ADDED CONVENIENCE CENTERS, ADDED NEW PROGRAMMING, AND WE'VE, UM, MORE RECENTLY
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COME INTO PLACE WITH OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEBRIS CONTRACTS.AND WE JUST HAD A TRAINING FOR THAT IN THE PRIOR YEAR FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES TO COME ON BOARD AND LEARN HOW TO MANAGE THE FEMA FUNDS IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND HOW WE FUNCTION IS EACH MEMBER, CITY AND COUNTY CAN CHOOSE TO PAY ONLY FOR THE SERVICES THEY NEED FOR THEIR CITIZENS.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SM BOARD.
YOU CAN PICK WHAT PROGRAMS BEST SUIT YOU AND THEN YOU JUST PAY YOUR SPECIFIC BUDGET FOR THAT PROGRAM.
AND WE TRY TO DO ALLOCATIONS TO KEEP EACH CITY AND COUNTY IN LINE WITH THEIR BUDGET FOR THEIR PROGRAM TO CUT COSTS AS CLOSE TO WHAT THAT SERVICE IS FOR THEM.
AND CURRENT SERVICE OPTIONS WE DO HAVE IS THE TRANSFER STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE CENTERS.
THOSE THAT ARE MOSTLY IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA.
UM, EVERYTHING IN GREEN YORK COUNTY PARTICIPATES IN HERE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING CONTRACT.
WE RUN THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTION AND COMPUTER RECYCLING EVENTS.
WE HAVE THE COMPOST FACILITY AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEBRIS MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING CONTRACTS.
SO I'LL JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER EACH PROGRAM THAT WE DO HAVE.
WE HAVE CONTRACTS FOR YORK COUNTY, KOSIN, WILLIAMSBURG, AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.
WE WORK COLLECTIVELY AS A REGION TO SECURE THESE SERVICES, UH, TO HELP PROVIDE LOWER RATES.
IS THE ECONOMY OF SCALE HERE AGAIN.
AND THE MATERIAL COLLECTED FROM CURBSIDE RIGHT NOW IS TRANSPORTED TO A LOCAL MURF IN THE PROCESSING CENTER WHERE IT'S PREPARING MARKETS FOR, UH, PREPARING THE RECYCLABLES FOR MARKET.
YOU SAID ECONOMY OF SCALE, BUT ISN'T IT REALLY JUST ONE ECONOMY OF SCALE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT PARTICIPATE? SO BECAUSE WE HAVE YORK COUNTY PCOS AND WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY ALL UNDER THE SAME BIPS A CONTRACT, WE GET A BETTER RATE.
YOU SEE ONLY, UH, T FFC IS THE YEAH, THAT'S OUR, OUR CONTRACT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S NOT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY BUT IT'S DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY BIDDER ON THE CONTRACTS.
THERE'S A, BEFORE THAT I THINK WE HAD COUNTY SOMETHING COUNTY WASTE.
OUR CURRENT CONTRACT RIGHT NOW IS THROUGH TOC.
AND HOW LONG DOES THAT COUNT THAT, UH, CONTRACT LAST? SO WE ARE IN A CURRENT EXTENSION RIGHT NOW THAT STARTED JULY 1ST.
AND IT'S A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION.
SO DURING THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, WE'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE PROVIDER FOR CURBSIDE RECYCLING IN GENERAL.
HOWEVER, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSING 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PROVIDER PICK UP THE CAN, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE MURF.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, BAY DISPOSAL MAY PICK YOUR CAN UP, BUT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT TO THE MATERIAL RECYCLING FACILITY AT TFC.
SO THERE IS NO OTHER COMPETING MUR RF IN THE AREA.
SO THAT, THAT AFFECTS WHAT, WHAT THE BIDDING IS AS FAR AS THE CONTRACT IS CONCERNED? YES.
SO THERE ARE SOME MES AVAILABLE IN VIRGINIA, BUT THE LOCATION OF THEM WOULD MAKE THE COST RISE IF WE WERE, IF THEY WERE TO TRANSPORT IT TO THOSE MERS, IF YOU TRANSFER SOMEPLACE ELSE, IT WOULD COST A LOT THE FEES, REMOVING IT TO THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO THE MURPH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MURPH
IT'S A MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITY.
IS IT THE TRANSFER STATION AND THE RECYCLING CENTER? SO THE TRANSFER STATION OF YORK COUNTY IS RUN BY REPUBLIC SERVICES AND THEY TAKE OKAY.
THEY TAKE THAT SOLID WASTE AND, AND, AND TRANSPORT IT.
THE MURF IS WHAT YOU'VE SEEN OVER IN CHESAPEAKE.
YOU TAKE THE TOUR AND IT'S TRYING TO KICK PLASTIC AND ALL THAT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
BETWEEN REPUBLIC DOES THE TRASH PICKUPS.
BUT BIPSA HANDLES THE RE CURBSIDE RECYCLING.
AND THE RECYCLING AT THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO WE HAVE, WE SERVICE THE DROP OFF CONTAINERS THERE.
WE DO HAULING FOR THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS AND TRANSFER STATIONS IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA.
AND THEN THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING IS THROUGH A CONTRACT WITH TFC.
YOU CONTRACT TFC, BUT, BUT YOU ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM.
SO TRASH, UH, IS, IS DELIVERED TO OUR, OR DELIVERED TO THE, UH, VS.
A TRANSFER STATION HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
YOUR TRANSFER STATION HERE IS SO THE TRASH.
SO, UH, IF YOU'VE EVER DROPPED OFF LIMBS TO VSA, YOU'LL PASS THE TRANSFER STATION THAT REPUBLIC HAS A LEASE WITH MM-HMM
AND THAT IS REPUBLIC, THAT IS SOLID WASTE TRASH THAT'S GETTING HAULED TO THE LANDFILL AND SOLID WASTE LANDFILL LEASE.
AND, AND THAT IS OKAY, THAT'S REPUBLIC, RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT JUST WITH YOUR COUNTY OR IS THAT WITH VSA REPUBLIC SERVICES? YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT CONTRACT IS LET THROUGH YOUR COUNTY, NOT VSO.
WHY NOT? UH, THERE HAS BEEN SOME THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
AND EVERY PUBLIC CONTRACT IS EXPIRING IN THE NEXT, HELP ME
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SIX, SEVEN MONTHS.SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT.
I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT ONE TIME LETTING LET THE CONTRACT, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THE WAY THE REPUBLIC CONTRACT IS, IS WRITTEN, IS IT'S, AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA REMEMBER OFF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN GET IT TO YOU.
IT'S X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO PICK THE CAN UP AND THEN IT'S TONNAGE TO PUT IT IN THE LANDFILL.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT.
SO THE THOUGHT IS, IF YOU LET A CONTRACT WITH A PURPOSE OR A SCOPE, IF WE HAVE 20,000 RESIDENTS, AND WE'VE DONE THIS WITH SOME OTHER CONTRACTS LIKE DYNAMIC AVIATION WITH MOSQUITO SPRAYING AND ALL THIS, IF I ADD 10,000 CUSTOMERS, SO IF I HAD YORK COUNTY AT 18, AND THEN I COULD GET JAMES CITY TO JUMP ON AND ADD ANOTHER 18, 16, 17, WHAT'S THE COST BREAK DIFFERENCE FOR PICKING UP A CAN? IF I HAVE OVER 20,000 SUBSCRIBERS, WHAT'S THE, THE SAVINGS I COULD SEE ON TONNAGE INTO THE LANDFILL? IF I HAD OVER 20, YOU COULD WRITE IT FROM 20 TO 30 AND YOU COULD ADD KOSIN AND GET IT OVER 30.
YOU COULD WRITE IT FROM 30 TO 40.
AND EVERY TIME A LOCAL, YOU KNOW, YOU WRITE IT AS A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT.
SO THE HOPE WOULD BE, AND WE DO THIS WITH FORD PICKUP TRUCKS, OR WE LET A BIG, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN THE AREA KIND OF DOES IT.
SO THE HOPE WOULD BE IS WE LET IT JAMES CITY COUNTY, THEY'RE, THEY DO RECYCLING NOW, BUT THEY DON'T DO TRASH.
OR THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT IN A FEW YEARS.
LET'S HAVE THEM JUMP ON, LET'S HAVE KOSIN JUMP ON, LET'S HAVE GLOUCESTER JUMP ON, HEY, MAYBE WE GRAB NEW KENT OR RICHMOND OR TO ADD IT TO GET A COST BREAK.
WELL THIS IS THE ECONOMY SCALE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I JUST KIND OF SURPRISED WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT.
I JUST, I, I ASSUMED THAT OUR TRASH WAS THROUGH VSA.
SO NO, IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE CAN DO VSA SINCE WE'RE RUN BY THE VSA BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IF THERE'S NEW PROGRAMS YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH, WE CAN WORK TO ESTABLISH AND RUN THOSE PROGRAMS. OKAY.
WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE PAST? WELL, ON YOUR SCALE, I MEAN ON YOUR SAY CURRENT VSA SERVICES, YOU TALK ABOUT THE DROP OFF OF RECYCLING.
NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD, I THOUGHT FOR YEARS THAT WE WERE, WE WERE PRESSING CARDBOARD AND WE ARE DOING ALL THAT STUFF.
SO WHO'S DOING THAT NEXT TO THE TRANSFER STATION? THERE IS A DROP OFF FOR CARDBOARD.
THERE'S A DROP OFF, UH, AT NEAR REPUBLIC.
BUT NOT TO BE CONFUSED, THERE'S A WHITE PILE WHERE WHAT'S IN PUBLIC? I MEAN, I, I KNOW IT, I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NEAR REPUBLIC? IT'S AT THE, IT'S UH, IT'S AT THE SAME SSA FACILITY THAT REPUBLIC IS AT.
DO YOU DRIVE BY THAT? YOU NEED, YOU GO PAST THE, THE LITTLE, THE SCALES.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
THAT BUILDING IS WHERE BUILDING, I KNOW EVERYTHING IS.
I JUST DON'T, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW I'M FINDING OUT THAT IT'S BEING OWNED OR MANAGED THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE.
THIS SOUNDS GROSSLY INEFFICIENT.
I HATE TO TELL YOU THAT JUST SOUNDS GROSSLY INEFFICIENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO BACK TO SHIELDS NOW.
HOW IN THE HELL DID WE GET THE, WELL WE GOT THE SPIDER WEB OF ALL THIS DIFFERENT COMPANIES DOING STUFF.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, I DON'T WANNA MAKE YOUR HEAD HURT, BUT WE DO DO SOME, IT ALREADY HURT
WE DO ALSO DO SOME OTHER ONE OFFS, UH, LIKE THE PLASTIC BAG THAT'S UN RECYCLABLE.
SO THERE'S ALL KI TYPES OF OTHER SMALL PROGRAMS THAT WE DO DO OUTSIDE OF FIP, PSA AND COMPOST.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR COUNTY.
UH, THE COMPOST FACILITY IS IT'S FIB IS FIP PSA.
WHAT PART OF THAT'S YOUR COUNTY? SO YOU ARE ONE OF THE MEMBER COMMUNITIES THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE COMPOST FACILITY ALONGSIDE CITY OF POCO AND CITY OF HAMPTON.
SO WE RUN THAT OPERATION FOR YOU GUYS.
AND IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF MS. WOOER GOES THROUGH SOME SLIDES AND YOU MIGHT, WE MIGHT ANSWER.
SO NO, YOU TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME.
WE'LL TALK TO YOU AFTER YOU FINISH YOUR REPORT.
AND I CAN ALWAYS ROLL BACK TO SOME SLIDES IF CAN HELP YOU.
UM, AND HERE, SO HERE IS OUR COMPOST FACILITY.
OPERATION FSOS OPERATED THIS 22 ACRE FACILITY SINCE ITS, EXCEPT IN 1994.
IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE RECYCLING RATE TONNAGE FOR THE REGION.
THIS HELPS US MEET OUR RECYCLING MANDATE GOALS WITH VIRGINIA DEQ.
UM, AT OUR FACILITY HERE, WE RECEIVE BRUSH, LEAVES, GRASS AND OTHER VEGETATED MATERIAL FROM HAMPTON, PECOS, AND YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS.
IT'S FREE OF CHARGE TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS PAID FOR BY THE COUNTIES AND CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE.
AND WE PROVIDE VARIOUS MULCH PRODUCTS, SOIL BLEND AND COMPOST MADE FROM INCOMING MATERIALS TO CUSTOMERS IN ORDER TO PROPERLY PROCESS THE YARD WASTE AND KEEP IT OUT OF THE LANDFILL.
SO OUR GOAL HERE WITH THE COMPOST FACILITIES, WE'RE KEEPING THIS WASTE OUT OF THE LANDFILL AND WE NEED TO PROCESS IT IN ANOTHER MANNER TO KEEP OUR PERMIT, WHICH WE HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR
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THE, FROM THE VIRGINIA DEQ TO RUN THIS FACILITY.WE NEED TO MOVE THIS MATERIAL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT IS THROUGH THE CELLS OF THIS MATERIAL.
UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE BACK FREE MATERIAL TO THE COUNTIES AND CITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN OUR BUDGET.
SO I'M GONNA JUST ADD, ADD ON TO ONE HERE.
I KNOW I TOLD EVERYBODY TO STOP ASKING QUESTIONS,
UM, BIPSA AS A REGIONAL WASTE AUTHORITY KIND THE SAME IF YOU'VE SEEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH CISA.
UM, RICHMOND AREA HAS C-B-W-M-A THERE ALL WASTE AUTHORITIES.
WE DO PLANNING FOR THE REGION TO MAKE, MAKE SURE WE MEET ALL THESE STATE MANDATED GOALS THAT VIRGINIA DEQ PUTS ON US.
UM, WE CAN MEET RECYCLING RATES THROUGH A COMBINATION OF COMMERCIAL RECYCLING, THE YARD WASTE THAT WE TAKE TO OUR COMPOST FACILITY AS WELL AS OUR CURBSIDE FIGURES.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FROM VIRGINIA DEQ TO ACTUALLY OPERATE THIS FACILITY.
AND I HAVE A WASTE OPERATOR LICENSE THAT'S REQUIRED TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY.
AND THEN ANOTHER PROGRAM WE OFFER IS THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTION AND COMPUTER RECYCLING EVENTS.
UM, THESE EVENTS OF IPSA RUNS ALONGSIDE MXI, WHO'S A HAZARDOUS WASTE HAULER AND HANDLER.
UM, YOUR RESIDENTS CAN COME AND BRING THEIR PESTICIDES, INSECTICIDES, CLEANERS, SOLVENTS, UM, ALL THEIR HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE THROUGH THESE EVENTS.
AND THEN THEIR ONE DAY EVENTS ON SATURDAYS FROM EIGHT TO NOON AND THE HAZARDOUS WASTE HAULS ARE OUT THAT SAME DAY.
AND FOR THIS PROGRAM ITSELF, THE WAY THAT WE DO COSTS FOR IT, WE SPLIT OUT THE DISPOSAL COST OF IT FROM THE OPERATING COST AND WE TRACK RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH AND THEN WE ALLOCATE THAT PERCENTAGE TO THE COUNTY.
SO IF YOU HAVE 500 RESIDENTS COME THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT ALLOCATION OF THE DISPOSAL BILL.
SO WE TRY TO KEEP IT FAIR BETWEEN ALL COMMUNITIES.
YOU TALKING ABOUT ALLOCATION? HUH? ANY SOMETHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SO ANY, ANY HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL EVENT THAT BIPSA HAS, A IPS A BOARD MEMBERS HAS SAID ALL THE PARTICIPATING MEMBERS OF THIS PROGRAM CAN GO TO ANY OF 'EM.
SO A YORK COUNTY RESIDENT CAN GO TO A HAMPTON EVENT.
A HAMPTON RESIDENT CAN GO TO YORK COUNTY.
SO WE INDIVIDUALLY TRACK RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE BILLING IS CONSISTENT FOR EACH COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO THE BILLING PART OF IT.
IT'S NOT BILLING, IT'S BILLING NOT CREDITS FOR DROPPED OFF.
IT'S OH YES, IT COSTS, YES, IT'S COSTS.
SO DEPENDING UPON HOW ENERGETIC OUR PEOPLE ARE IN, IN RECYCLING, ALL THIS DEPENDS ON WHAT THE COST IS GONNA BE TO THE COUNTY.
SO THIS HAZARDOUS WASTE MATERIAL IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A COST.
UM, IT'S NOT REALLY CONSIDERED IN A RECYCLING PROGRAM.
UM, IT'LL ALWAYS BE A COST, BUT WE ALLOCATE THOSE COSTS TO THE COUNTY.
THERESA, IS THAT COST PRETTY CONSISTENT YEAR TO YEAR? DOES IT GO UP AND DOWN? HOW DO YOU BUDGET FOR IT? UM, THEY GIVE US AN ESTIMATE ON THE BUDGET FOR THAT EVERY YEAR.
IS IT PRETTY CONSISTENT YEAR TO YEAR OR? I THINK OUR LINES ARE GROWING.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? LIKE A HUNDRED TO 110,000? YEAH.
I THINK THIS ONE'S BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT YEAR TO YEAR.
IS THAT, IS THAT DISPOSAL COST AND OPERATING COSTS TO RUN IT OR? YEAH, THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR THAT LINE.
IT'S DISPOSAL EVERYTHING FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND AND I'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKOUT AND A FEW FUTURE SLIDES ON THE 26TH SPECIFIC.
THIS IS A, THIS IS COSTLY TO GET RID OF BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL A CONTAINER SHOWS UP AND YOU JUST CAN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE.
ACTUALLY, I, I GUESS I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT YOU SENT ME AND IT'S GONE UP 25,000 PLUS DOLLARS SINCE UM, 22.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT 'CAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING MORE? IS THE STUFF WE'RE COLLECTING MORE EXPENSES TO DISPOSE OF? IT'S A LITTLE BIT.
HAS OPERATING COSTS GONE UP? YES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
SO THE DISPOSAL PIECE, UM, MXI IS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DISPOSAL.
THAT'S WHO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH AS A HAZARDOUS WASTE HAULERS.
THIS STUFF CAN'T BE PLACED IN A NORMAL LANDFILL.
THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY.
AND WE DID BEGIN A NEW CONTRACT WITH THEM THIS YEAR.
SO WE HAD SOME INCREASE IN THE COST OF DISPOSAL, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE'VE ALSO HAD AN INCREASE IN PARTICIPANTS AT THE EVENT.
SO THESE ARE, THEY'RE PRETTY POPULAR EVENTS FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND.
AND THE TONNAGE AMOUNT COMING IN IS HIGHER.
THEY, THEY, I'M ASSUMING THEY WERE THE LOWEST COST BIDDER? YES.
HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY OTHER COMPANIES BID ON THAT? UM, WE HAD, I BELIEVE TWO.
AND WE WERE, WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE AND ACTUALLY GET THEM BEYOND THE DISPOSAL PIECE TO PROVIDE SOME EXTRA OPERATING MANPOWER FOR THE SAME PRICE, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO THEN GO BACK AND REDUCE SOME OF OUR VS.
STAFFING ON THE OPERATION SIDE.
ARE ARE THOSE VA PEOPLE OR ARE THEY YOUR
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CONTRACTOR? UH, THAT ONE'S A STANDARD PHOTO OF EVENT.NO, I'M SAYING BUT AT, AT THOSE EVENTS, ARE THEY VA EMPLOYEES OR ARE THEY THE CONTRACTOR? IT'S A COMBIN CONTRACTOR.
WE TRACK WHAT, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO WITH THE STUFF.
WE HAVE MANIFESTS THAT COME IN.
SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIAL THAT THEY COLLECTED IS HANDLED PROPERLY AND DISPOSED UP PROPERLY.
AND IS THE IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE DON'T SAY THAT A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT OFFERING THIS IS IMPORTANT THOUGH BECAUSE THE STUFF DOESN'T END UP IN A LANDFILL THAT'S IMPORTANT.
OR IT DOESN'T END UP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR IN SOMEBODY DUMPING IT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
SO, OR DUMPING IT IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY OR, OR IN OUR SEWER SYSTEM WHERE THEY DUMP STUFF, LIQUIDS DOWN THERE DRINKS.
ANOTHER BIG PIECE WE ADDED ON IS BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
UM, SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FROM A SOLID WASTE PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRES THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT.
SO DIRECTING THEM TO EVENTS LIKE THIS HELPS, KEEPS IT OUT OF THE WASTE STREAM.
UM, PREVENTS THOSE FIRES FROM OCCURRING IN BOTH TRUCKS AND TRANSFER STATIONS.
AND THEN OUR DEBRIS MANAGEMENT AND MONITORING.
UM, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW TIMES.
THAT WE HOLD THESE CONTRACTS AVAILABLE AS WELL AS HOLD TRAININGS ON THE EVENTS SO THAT IN THE INSTANCE THAT THERE IS A HURRICANE OR MAJOR STORM DAMAGE OR IS TAPPAHANNOCK SOLI TORNADO, WE CAN QUICKLY HELP STEP IN AND ACTIVATE THESE CONTRACTS WITH FEMA FUNDING.
UM, AND WE ALSO HELP ASSIST ALONG THE WAY WITH SOME PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
UM, WHILE THESE CONTRACTS ARE IN PLACE, YOUR, YOUR OPERATION DOESN'T TAKE TREE STUMPS, BUT YOU WILL PICK UP TREE STUMPS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO TREE STUMPS THAT, THAT YOU PICK UP RANDOM TAKE FOR THE COMPOST FACILITY.
SOME OF THIS DEBRIS CAN COME TO OUR COMPOST FACILITY.
BUT TYPICALLY YOU WON'T, YOU DON'T ACCEPT TREE STONES.
BUT I KNOW IN STORM CLEANUP YOU'LL, YOU'LL PICK 'EM UP.
SO IF THERE'S A MASSIVE STORM, THESE CONTRACTS OR FOR BEYOND WHAT OUR COMPOST FACILITY COULD HANDLE, IF WE CAN HANDLE SMALL THINGS LOCALLY, WE'LL DO THAT.
WE HAVE STAGING AREAS DOWN AT COMPOST TOO, WHERE THEY CAN TAKE THIS MATERIAL AND THEN THESE CONTRACTS WILL KICK IN FOR THE FEMA FUNDS AND BE ABLE TO HELP CLEAN UP MATERIAL OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE OF THE COMPOST FACILITY.
SO WE CAN TAKE THINGS UP TO ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE.
UM, THE BIGGEST THING WITH TREE STUMPS IS THE AMOUNT OF DIRT MATERIAL ON THEM.
SO DURING, DURING ISABELLE YOU MIGHT RECALL IS IT WAS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF IPSA.
WE GAVE IPSA A NOTICE TO PROCEED WITH CROWDER GOLF.
AND THEN WE MEET WITH SOME OF THESE COM COMPANIES EVERY SPRING.
IT'S, WE WILL TOUCH BASE OUT AS PUBLIC WORKS.
SO EITHER CROWDER GOLF OR ASH BRIT HAVING PORTABLE TRAILERS, BATHROOMS. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF ISABELLE WAS ONCE CROWDER GOLF HAD THE NOTICE TO PROCEED, THEY CAME IN WITH A PLAN.
WE KIND OF HELPED 'EM OUT OFF THE, OFF THE BAT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM MAPS OF LIKE OUR LEAF PICKUP MAPS.
AND THEN IF YOU RECALL, THE STUFF WAS SO LARGE THAT PART OF NEW QUARTER PARK ENDED UP BEING BURN PILE'S.
TRYING TO SAY THAT'S WHERE IT WENT.
WE ENDED UP BURNING BRUSH AT NUCLEAR PARK.
I THOUGHT WE WERE BURNING UP NEAR 1 99 TOO.
AND WE BURNT UP THERE AS WELL AND THEN STAGED IT, REMEMBER BURNING AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO DO SOME OVER SEEDING AND ALL THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE KNOWED, WHEN WE PUT A PROCEED NOTICE TO PROCEED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SOMETHING DRASTIC HAS OCCURRED.
NOW I REMEMBER, UH, WHEN MACK WAS THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND, AND HE SAID THAT HE HAD, UH, NEGOTIATED SOME, HE HAD NEGOTIATED SOME CONTRACT.
NOW I'D ASSUME THAT WAS THE COUNTY FOR PICK FOR, FOR PICKUP THAT HAPPENED DURING ISABELLE.
BUT THAT WAS THROUGH VISITS I GUESS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
THAT WAS A REGIONAL CONTRACT THAT
BECAUSE I KNOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WERE PAYING, HAD TO PAY MORE LIKE CITY AND NEWPORT NEWS AND ALL THAT AND THEY WERE PAYING LIKE CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN WHAT WE DID FOR THE TRASH OR THE DEBRIS PICKUP.
WELL I KNOW ONE THING WE'VE DONE WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STEVE STAFF, IS WE'VE GOT THOSE CONTRACTS ALREADY NEGOTIATED IN PLACE.
SO WE, WE MAY NEVER NEED 'EM, BUT WE HAVE 'EM.
AND THAT'S BEEN, THEY DO A LOT OF THOSE THINGS IN EMERGENCY PLANNING THAT, THAT GET US AHEAD OF THE GAME.
AND SO HOW'S THAT CONTRACT WRITTEN IN THE EVENT THAT YOU NEED THEM? IT'S X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
BUT DO YOU HAVE A PLACEHOLDER IN CASE YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR IT? YES.
HAPPENS IF FE IF FEMA IS DISBANDED ACROSS THAT TREE, STU WHEN IT HAPPENS, IT'LL, IT'LL FALL TO THE STATE OR LOCAL.
I MEAN SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTS I THINK WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE.
WE JUST WOULDN'T GET THE REIMBURSEMENT.
AND THE CONTRACTS ARE ARE, I THINK THEY'RE REALLY WELL WRITTEN BECAUSE UH, I'M GONNA CALL THEM LIKE A UNIT COST CONTRACT.
IF YOU LOOK THROUGH 'EM, UH, A LABORER IS X AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE TICKETS MM-HMM
AND THIS IS X AMOUNT PER HOUR AND THIS AND THAT.
IT, YOU KIND OF ADD IT ALL UP AND MM-HMM
AND WITH THESE CONTRACTS, UM, VSA WAS ABLE TO SIGN THE FIRST CONTRACT WITH ALL THE COMPANIES.
WE SIGNED EVERY COMPANY WHO WAS RESPONSIVE AND MET ALL THE NEEDS.
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WAY THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF VENDORS THAT YOU CAN QUICKLY JUMP ON.'CAUSE IF WE HAVE A MASSIVE STORM EVENT, WE DON'T WANT YORK COUNTY FIGHTING WITH NO ANOTHER COUNTY ON WHO THEY'RE ABLE TO USE.
AND THEN SINCE BASICALLY ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS ARE COOPERATIVE, THEN THE COUNTIES COULD THEN ACCESS THOSE.
NOW I GOTTA TELL YOU, DURING ISABEL IT WAS QUITE COMMON TO SEE PEOPLE THAT, THAT I SUSPECTED WERE FROM LIKE MEXICO.
WHO WERE UP HERE AND THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF THE WORK.
I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK NEEDED DONE.
SO WITH THIS NEW APPROACH TO UH, I GUESS GREEN CARDS OR WHATEVER, HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT LOOKING IF WE HAD TO, IF WE HAVE TO FACE A STORM, WHO'S GONNA DO THE WORK? SO ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS HAVE ALL THE STANDARD GOVERNMENT CONTRACT AGREEMENT IN THEM ABOUT, ABOUT WORKPLACE POLICIES AND YEAH.
BUT WHO'S GONNA DO THE WORK? I MEAN, YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
BRIAN AND I WILL GET INTO, CAN I GET TO COLLEGE? I CAN DRIVE, I'LL DRIVE JUST SAYING, WE'LL GO TO WILLIAM AND MARY AND GET SOME OF OTHER STUDENTS.
WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE IT BUCK MAKES IT BUCK TEMPORARY VISA.
I MEAN THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD'VE HANDLED IT IN THE PAST.
IT'S NOT GREEN CARDS, IT'S TEMPORARY VISA.
I JUST USE GREEN CARDS AS AVAILABLE.
WELL, IT, IT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
NOW IS IT, IS IT A W NINE CARD THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE MONEY? PARDON? NOT GREEN ANYWAY.
AND JUST TO KIND OF WRAP UP AND TIE ALL THESE PROGRAMS TOGETHER, I PUT SOME OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET INFORMATION, HOW OUR BUDGETS ARE FORMED, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL DATA TOO.
UM, SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS IN FULL DETAIL, BUT BASICALLY OUR BUDGET PROCESS, I WENT THROUGH THAT EACH COMMUNITY CAN SELECT WHAT PROGRAMS THEY WANNA BE A PART OF.
IT'S MORE BOARD AND YOU CAN BE PART OF ONE PROGRAM OR ALL IPSA PROGRAMS. WE DO HAVE IT ONE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES THAT'S LIKE OUR OVERHEAD.
AND EACH PROGRAM PAYS A PORTION INTO THAT.
THAT HELPS WITH OUR PROCUREMENT TEAM, OUR PAYROLL, BASIC OVERHEAD.
AND THEN VSA WORKS TO CREATE AN ANNUAL BUDGET FOR EACH PROJECT AND FOR EACH COMMUNITY.
SO WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MOVING PIECES IN OUR BUDGETS.
WE PRESENT THAT TO THE BIPSA BOARD.
AND ABOUT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIME, WE COVER ALL QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND THEN WE VOTE TO ADOPT THAT BUDGET IN DECEMBER AT OUR BOARD MEETING.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUND, UM, FOR THE TRANSFER SYSTEM, CONVENIENCE CENTERS AND OUR COMPOST FACILITY AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROGRAMS. AND THE COMPOST FACILITY HAS A CIP FUND.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST WHERE WE'RE DOING OUR LONG-TERM PLANNING TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT.
AND HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT BUDGETS AND PROGRAMS THAT YORK COUNTY CURRENTLY PARTICIPATES IN FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION, I TALKED ABOUT THE COMPOST FACILITY, THE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL PIECES OF HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL, COMPUTER RECYCLING, CURBSIDE RECYCLING, DROP OFF RECYCLING AND TIRE DISPOSAL.
AND HERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET FOR YORK.
AND THIS IS THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH WHERE WE GO THROUGH ALL YOUR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THEN TAKE IT DOWN TO THE COMMUNITY ASPECT AND THEN COME UP WITH YOUR TOTAL FOR YORK COUNTY.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER BY OUR BIPSA BOARD.
AND I'LL DIVE INTO EACH ONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
IS IT, IS IT A BASIC FEE FOR EACH JURISDICTION AND THEN DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY NEED, YOU ADD ONTO THAT? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? YEAH.
YOU SELECT A BASE PRICE, A BASE AMOUNT THAT, SO TO BE A PART OF VSA IT'S 11,000 THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO OUR ADMIN BUDGET.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
IT GOES STRAIGHT TO OFFSET THE ADMIN BUDGET.
AND THEN THERE'S SMALL PERCENTAGES OF EACH BUDGET THAT SUPPORT THE REMAINDER OF ADMINISTRATION.
OUR COMPOST FACILITY BUDGET, THE WAY IT WAS STRUCTURED, UM, THE BIPSA BOARD VOTED ON IT.
THEY LOOK AT THE OPERATIONS, THE TOTAL COST FOR THE COMPOST FACILITY, AND THEY DIVIDE THAT OUT BY AN ALLOCATION OF INCOMING TONNAGES.
SO THIS GRAPH HERE SHOWS THE INCOMING TONNAGES, UM, FOR YORK COUNTY, CITY OF HAMPTON SU DECOIN.
AND YORK COUNTY IS ACCOUNTING FOR 63% OF THAT INCOMING TONNAGE.
63% OF WHAT? OF THE INCOMING TONNAGE OF YARD DEBRIS MATERIAL.
63% TIMES WHAT WHAT NUMBER? WHAT'S THE TONNAGE? THE ANNUAL TONNAGE.
INCOMING TONNAGE FOR LAST YEAR.
I CAN TELL YOU, UM, FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 WAS 18,170 TONS.
HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT? SO WE HAVE METHODS OF SCALE SYSTEMS THAT WE USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TRANSFER STATION THAT IS UP THE ROAD FROM US AT THE YORK COUNTY FACILITY.
AND THEN FOR TRUCKS THAT AREN'T SET UP WITH AN
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ACCOUNT OR DON'T HAVE A WEIGHT SYSTEM THAT WE CAN USE, WE CHARGE BY LENGTH OF THE TRUCK AND THEN NEW CONVERSION FACTORS.SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEBRIS DROP OFF? UM, THOSE ARE, IF IF IT'S, IF THEY CAN GO ACROSS THE SCALE AS THEY GO ACROSS THE SCALES, ANYTHING FROM RESIDENTS COMING IN ON THEIR OWN THAT IS A TRAILER SIZE, IT'S, IT'S DONE BY THE TRAILER SIZE SPECIFIC ALLOCATION WE HAVE OF A WEIGHT FOR THAT TRAILER SIZE.
NOT, NOT THE WEIGHT OF WHAT THE TRAILER CONTAINS.
IT'S, WE DO A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
THE ONES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO WEIGH, WHICH IS MAINLY THE LARGER LOADS, CITY LOADS, THE LARGER COMMERCIAL LOADS, WE CAN RUN ACROSS THE SCALES OF THE TRANSFER SYSTEM.
IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL FAMILY COMING IN WITH A SMALL TRAILER, WE TRACK BY TRAILER SIZE AND THEN WE HAVE AN ALLOTMENT FOR THAT.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, WHERE DOES THAT HAPPEN? AT OUR COMPOST FACILITY AT THE, THE FIRST LITTLE GATEHOUSE YOU COME IN, BUT THE SCALE SYSTEM IS PART OF YORK COUNTY'S TRANSFER SYSTEM.
I'M JUST, I I'VE BEEN GOING THERE FOR 25 YEARS WITH PICKUP TRUCK LOADS AND TRAILER LOADS.
I'VE NEVER BEEN WEIGHED, NO ONE'S EVER COME AND MEASURED MY TRAILER OR MY TRUCK.
THEY GO, WHAT DO YOU GOT? THEY LOOK UNDER THE TARP AND THEY JUST PUT ME OVER TO A PLACE NO ONE EVER MEASURES ME.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY GET MEASURED.
SO I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW OUR STAFF ARE UP THERE DOING THAT.
I THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT.
I TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.
I GO INTO MY PICKUP TRUCK AND FULL OF STUFF AND THEY JUST SHOW YOU GO, GO DUMP IT OVER ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PILE OR SOMETHING AND THAT'S IT.
NOW WE GOT THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER TRUCKS THAT COME IN PROBABLY HAVE GOT A LOT MORE DEBRIS AND THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME EVERY TIME I GO UP THERE, IT'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE DROPPING STUFF OFF AND YOU KNOW, DROPPING OFF, UH, RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL, YEAH.
AND I DON'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN A, WELL, ONLY RARELY DO I SEE A SCALE OF A TRAILER COME UP ON A SCALE, SAY IT'S SOME BIG TRUCKS.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT NOT GETTING MEASURED.
I'M REALLY SKEPTICAL OF WHAT, OF THE TRUE NUMBER.
'CAUSE I'M JUST NOT SEEING ANY, ANY AMOUNT OF RIGOR IN MEASURING THAT AT ALL.
WE CAN LOOK AND GET SOME DATA BACK TO YOU ON THE MEASUREMENTS AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND THERE'S ALSO A TIE IN YOU CAN'T MEASURE SOMETHING YOU DON'T MEASURE.
I WAS JUST GONNA FACTOR FORWARD.
THAT'S THE THING I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, YOU KNOW, ADD THAT WHEN YOU COME INTO THE LANDFILL, THEY ASK YOU WHERE YOUR RESIDENCY IS THROUGH THE LOUDSPEAKER.
AND THERE IS SOME TIE IN WITH REPUBLICAN VSA AT THAT HOUSE.
AND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY I, I'M LIKE THAT THESE GUYS I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
AND I, AND I'VE GONE FROM THEY DO ASK YOU WHERE YOU, TO THE PLACE WHAT YOUR ADDRESS IS.
THEY ASK YOU WHAT YOUR ADDRESS IS.
SO THEY JUST TELLS YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT IN THE COUNTY NCE.
THAT'S ALL THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT.
I DON'T WANT, ALL THEY DO IS LOOK AT IT AND SAY WHERE, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? AND THEY JUST POINT YOU TO THE PILE.
BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING WEIGHED BACK THERE AT ALL.
MAYBE SOME OF THE BIG COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, I'VE, I'VE SEEN SOME COMMERCIAL TRUCKS GO ACROSS THE SCALE, BUT BEFORE YEAH.
THAT THE VAST GEORGIA GOES BACK THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AND I'VE, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY IN FRONT OF ME GO ACROSS SCALE ONLY.
THE ONLY OTHER MEASUREMENT I'VE SEEN DONE IS DURING THOSE, UH, STORM EVENTS WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE PLATFORM, YOU KNOW, THEY COME IN AND THEY KIND OF DO A, A GAUGE OF WHETHER THE BIG TRUCK'S GOT HALF A LOAD, THREE QUARTERS LOAD, FULL LOAD.
AND I GUESS THAT'S SOME PART OF THE MEASUREMENT PROCESS.
IT IS BY, IS BY THE TRAILER VEHICLE SIZE.
SO THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO GET AN ACCURATE WEIGHT WOULD BE TO RUN EVERYBODY ACROSS A SCALE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT WITH YORK COUNTY.
VINCENT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE SCALE.
WELL THE QUESTION COMES, IS THAT IMPORTANT TO DO? I MEAN CONSIDERING THE, THE, YOU THINK OF THE VARIETY OF VEHICLES GOING ACROSS, YOU KNOW, WELL SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SCALE, THE SCALE THAT WOULD GIVE IT A SCALE WOULD GIVE YOU THE WEIGHT.
BUT THE QUESTION, IF YOU WEIGH IT GOING IN, YOU GOTTA WEIGH IT COMING OUT.
AND SO IS IT WORTH A DELAY IN SERVICE? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I MEAN I YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO TALK SOME TO REPUBLIC.
I MEAN, I COULD SEE THE WAY WHERE YOU TAKE AND, AND WHO SCALES ARE THOSE? ARE THEY DIPS, ARE THEY REPUBLIC SCALES? UH, THE SCALES, UH, WE LEASE THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO THE SCALES ARE TECHNICALLY BELONG TO US.
BUT VI BUT REPUBLIC IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SCALES.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE WITH RUNNING IT BACK AND FORTH OVER IT IS THE, THE CUSTOMER WOULD THEN HAVE TO COME BACK A SECOND TIME AFTER THEY GO OVER THE SCALE OF ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE COMPOST FACILITY AND MM-HMM
UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS THE SAME ROUTE OF ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY A COMMERCIAL KEEP PAYING FOR THESE LOADS.
THE SMALL MOM AND POP LANDSCAPERS COMING ACROSS THE SAME WAY.
JOLLY POND CHARGED $12 A PICKUP TRUCK GOING INTO THEIR FACILITY AND W-J-S-C-C.
SO I QUESTION HOW MANY W-J-S-C-C PEOPLE COME HERE TO DO IT FOR FREE? WELL THEY HAVE THE, THEY ALWAYS ASK US FOR OUR AD DAVID ADDRESS.
I MEAN OUR ADDRESS WHEN WE COME,
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I CAN, I CAN GIVE ANY, I CAN GIVE ANY ADDRESS I WANT.THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T CHECK IT.
I CAN JUST, I CAN SAY ANYTHING IN THAT BOX I WANT.
OH REALLY? THAT'S, I MEAN I GUESS I'M TOO HONEST.
WHAT? WELL, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY.
AND, AND BUSINESSES WILL COME IN THERE AND USE, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE ADDRESS TOO.
AND THEY JUST LOOK AT 'EM AND GO, NOPE.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MUCH CARPET
THE COMPOST WATCHES OUT FOR THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE COMMERCIAL ENTITY MAY BE TRYING TO COME IN UNDER A RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS.
YORK HAS A PROCESS TO LOOK INTO.
AND NOW ONE THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONTINUING PROBLEM THAT I OCCASIONALLY WILL GET, UH, UM, I'LL GET, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT IS THAT WHEN A, A PERSON COMES OVER TO HELP SOMEBODY COULD BE OVER IN COMPANY OR WHATEVER, THEY COME OVER AND THEY GET THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS THE HOUSE TO COME WITH 'EM AND THEY STILL MAKE 'EM GO THROUGH ALL THE RIGAMAROLE AND UH, AND, AND THE THING IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CHARGING THE PERSON THAT, I MEAN THIS, THE WORK IS JUST BEING DONE FOR FREE.
BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE HAD THE BUSINESS COME UP THERE AND TURN AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT DROPPING IT OFF 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET CHARGED WHATEVER THE FEE IS.
AND OR THEY SAY, WELL, OKAY, YOU GOTTA GO GET THE PA GO GET THE OWNER OF THE HOME.
WELL THEN THEY GET THE OWNER OF THE HOME.
IT'S SOME ELDERLY LADY THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BARELY GET IN THE TRUCK AND THEY DRAG HER OUT THERE ONLY TO BE THEN GO THROUGH THIS BIG RIG OLE OR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS REALLY BEING FUNDED OR I MEAN, OR WHAT.
SO I MEAN SOME OF, SOME OF THESE PROCEDURES, A LITTLE SCREWY AND VS.
IS OPEN TO ANY CHANGES THEY WANNA MAKE.
UM, THIS IS HOW OUR BUDGET PROCESS WAS SET UP AS FAR AS WHAT WE BRING IN THROUGH FROM REVENUE, FROM SALES MATERIAL.
UM, THAT'S AN OFFSET FOR OUR BUDGETS TO YOU GUYS.
SO WE'RE OPEN IF, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE UP HOW ALLOCATIONS ARE DONE WITH PERCENTAGES OF INCOMING MATERIAL.
OUR OTHER BUDGETS ARE STRUCTURED DIFFERENT WITH OTHER PROGRAMS. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE ON THE VSA BOARD TO BRING THOSE UP AND VOTE FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND THEN JUST TO TIE BACK TO YORK COUNTY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, VSA PAYS A HOST FEE OF A DOLLAR 60 PER TON OF INCOMING MATERIAL DIRECTLY TO YORK COUNTY.
UM, THAT FUNCTIONS LIKE THE SAME AS IF SOMEBODY HAD A LANDFILL IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
SO A DOLLAR 60 PER TON COMES STRAIGHT BACK TO YOU.
AND AS WELL AS THE LEASE THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE FEES OF THOSE TOGETHER WOULD BE ABOUT 170,000 IN REVENUE BACK TO YORK COUNTY FROM THE COMPOST FACILITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
SO DOLLAR 60 TIMES, I GUESS LAST YEAR WHERE YOU SAID 18,000 TONS MM-HMM
IS THE, DO WE SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE 8 98 OR IS, OR IS THAT ALREADY BAKED INTO THE EIGHT? NINE EIGHT.
SO I'LL GET TO, IT MAY BE EASIER ON ANOTHER SLIDE HERE.
I'LL KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW OUR BUDGET, THIS WILL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO ON THE REVENUE SIDE FOR HOW WE RUN THE COMPOST FACILITY, WE HAVE THE FEES FOR YORK COUNTY, PECOS AND HAMPTON.
THAT IS THE PERCENTAGE DIVIDED OUT BY THE INCOMING TONNAGE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE USER FEES, MATERIAL SALES, WHICH IS REVENUE COMING IN.
THIS IS ALL OF OUR REVENUE COMBINED AND IT DIRECTLY OFFSETS OUR EXPENSES FOR THE YEAR.
SO NIPSA DOES NOT MAKE PROFIT OFF OF THIS.
UM, WE'RE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, SO ANY REVENUE AT ALL COMING INTO OUR FACILITY IS USED TO HELP REDUCE THE COST TO RESIDENTS.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT IN IT TO MAKE A PROMPT, BUT YOU'RE IN IT TO, TO PROVIDE A SERVICE AND WE'LL BENEFIT BY IT.
AND THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS STRUCTURED BY THE VSA BOARD.
BUT VSA IS ALWAYS WELCOME TO HEAR OUT.
ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THERE ARE? ALRIGHT.
AND THIS, THESE TWO CHARTS ARE JUST THE COMPOST FACILITY.
THIS IS JUST COMPOST FACILITY BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 800, $11,000 IN SALARY BENEFITS.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WORK THERE? WORK JUST HOW MANY FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS FOR THE, FOR THE COMPOSTING FACILITY? I BELIEVE WE HAVE EIGHT CURRENTLY.
AND THIS IS SALARY BENEFITS, ANYTHING RELATED TO THOSE POSITIONS IN GENERAL? WE DI WE KIND OF DID SOME BREAKOUTS.
UM, I DO HAVE A DETAILED BUDGET IF ANYBODY WOULD WANNA SEE IT.
SO ADMINISTRATION, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THAT FOR? WHAT? SO THAT WOULD HOUSE ANYTHING TO DO FROM OUR UTILITIES, OUR OFFICE FEE CHARGES, UM, OUR, ANY OTHER CONTRACTS AND LEASES WE HAVE LIKE WHEN WE DISPOSE OF WASTE AT THE FACILITY, IT'S JUST OUR, OUR OVERHEAD FUND.
AND THEN THE OFFICE IS WHAT HELPS TO GO SUPPORT THE, ACTUALLY I FLIPPED THOSE, I'M SORRY.
THE ADMINISTRATION PIECE IS WHAT GOES TO SUPPORT THE
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OVERHEAD FIPS ADMINISTRATION.THE OFFICE PIECE ITSELF IS EVERYTHING THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE COMPOST FACILITY TO RUN THEIR OFFICE DOWN THERE.
SO THE COMPOST FACILITY PAYS $173,000 TO SSA'S WHOLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES THAT, THAT THEY PROVIDE? YES.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE 11,000 EACH COMMUNITY PAYS TO BE A PART OF VSA AND THEN EACH PROGRAM HELPS TO SUPPORT THE OVERHEAD OVERALL OF VSA.
SO DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE THE BUDGET IS FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM HELPS TO ALLOT WHAT PORTION GOES TO ADMINISTRATION.
WELL WHY IS THAT LIKE ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR OPERATIONS? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT? SO OPERATION IS EVERYTHING FROM EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE PARTS INCLUDES EQUIPMENT, WELL AGAIN, EQUIP, EQUIP FROM ABOVE THIS EQUIPMENT LINE RIGHT HERE IS WHAT DIRECTLY PUMPS INTO OUR CIP FUND FOR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT.
THE 320, THE OPERATION IS THE FEES IT COSTS TO RUN THIS MATERIAL PER YEAR.
EVERYTHING AT THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO RUN, TO RUN THE EQUIPMENT.
ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE PARTS REPAIR MAINTENANCE FOR.
JUST FOR FOR WHAT IS THIS JUST FOR HERE OR ALL YOUR FACILITIES? THIS IS FOR THE COMPOST FACILITY.
SO FOR EQUIPMENT DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A WINDROW TURNER, A HORIZONTAL GRINDER, TWO TROMMEL SCREENS, TWO SKID STEERS, TWO FRONT END LOADERS AND AN EXCAVATOR.
WELL THAT'S GONNA GET TO ANOTHER QUESTION WE'RE GONNA HAVE HERE.
AND WHO'S THE LEASE WITH? THE LEASE IS WITH YORK.
THE LEASE FEES AND THE HOST FEES GO DIRECTLY BACK TO YORK COUNTY.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE BUDGET SUMMARY.
SHOULDN'T THERE BE A ONE A MINUS ONE 70 ON THAT PAGE WITH A BUDGET SUMMARY? IT'S BECAUSE ON THE, LET ME GO BACK HERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE HOST FEES AND LEASES THAT LOT ITEM DON'T.
SO THE HOST FEES AND LEASES IS IN THE EXPENSE LINE ITEM OVER HERE.
AND THOSE ARE REMITTED DIRECTLY BACK TO YORK COUNTY.
SO IT SHOWS AS AN EXPENSE ON THE BIPS SIDE.
IT SHOULD SHOW AS A REVENUE SOMEWHERE IN YORK COUNTY BUDGETS.
AND SO MOVING ON TO THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTIONS, UM, THIS IS HOW OUR BUDGET ALLOCATION FALLS OUT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TRACK RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH AND THEN ALLOCATE THOSE EXPENSES BY NUMBER OF RESIDENTS COMING THROUGH THE EVENTS.
13 IS WELL, OKAY, OC, I CAN'T TELL THE COLORS.
KOSIN AND WILLIAMSBURG ARE THE SMALLER PORTIONS AND THAT RELATES TO THEM HAVING A SMALLER POPULATION.
BUT, AND BUT YOU DO DROP OFFS IN THEIR LOCALITIES, RIGHT? YES.
FOR THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTION.
WE DO THE SPECIAL EVENT DAYS ON SATURDAYS FROM EIGHT TO NOON MM-HMM
AND ANY VSA PARTICIPATING MEMBER IN THIS CAN GO TO ANY VSA HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL EVENT IN ANY COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE TRACK IT INDIVIDUALLY AT EACH EVENT.
AND THIS IS OUR OPERATIONS BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 AND YORK'S PORTION IS HIGHLIGHTED JUST HERE IN YELLOW.
UM, SO THE OPERATIONS SIDE IS JUST PURELY STAFFING ALONE FOR, SO HOW THIS BREAKS OUT IS THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS US IN OPERATIONAL FEES TO RUN ALL THE EVENTS DOWN HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS YORK'S PORTION OF IT.
THIS THIS IS JUST THE THE THE CHEMICAL DROP OFF.
THIS IS THE STAFFING SIDE OF IT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE STAFFING.
AND THEN THIS IS YOUR DISPOSAL PIECE.
AND SO THIS IS JUST STRICTLY THE PASS THROUGH OF, OF THE CHARGE OF DISPOSING OF THE MATERIALS THAT COMES IN AT THE EVENT.
SO IT'S COMBINATION AND THIS COMBINATION OF EXPENSE IN THE MIDDLE, AGAIN THAT'S JUST SHOWING THAT A PORTION OF THE PROGRAMS HELPING KICK INTO THE OVERHEAD OF IPSA.
SO THAT'S THE DISPOSAL COST PLUS THE OPERATING COST IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE ALSO OFFER THE COMPUTER RECYCLING EVENTS AT THESE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL EVENTS.
IT'S A FLAT FEE OF $3,730, UM, PER YEAR PER COMMUNITY.
$3 WORTH HOW MUCH YOU GET? YES.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE WORKED A, WE STILL CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CRVA THAT THEY TAKE THIS MATERIAL FOR FREE FROM US.
SO VS IS JUST STAFFING IT AND RUNNING THE OPERATIONS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR EXPENSES, IT'S JUST RUNNING, IT'S BASICALLY TRANSPORTATION FEES IS MOSTLY WHAT IT IS.
AND WE TRUCK THAT IN OUR OWN CONTAINERS.
AND THEN GETTING INTO CURBSIDE, I THREW IN A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL DATA HERE ON OUR CURBSIDE PROGRAM SHOWING SOME TONNAGES COLLECTED AND HOUSEHOLD COUNTS,
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UM, FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.WE JUST STARTED OUR EXTENSION JULY 1ST OF LAST YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS LEFT ON THAT EXTENSION WITH DFC.
AND THEN THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE CURBSIDE BUDGET AND I HIGHLIGHTED YOURS HERE.
UM, HOW WE COME UP WITH THIS BUDGET IS WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL DATA OF NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AND AGAIN THIS IS A PREDICTION FOR A BUDGET.
WE CHARGE YOU BASED ON ACTUAL BILLING COMING IN.
SO WE DO THE BEST PREDICTION THAT WE CAN BASED ON HOUSEHOLD COSTS, KNOWING THE PROCESSING COSTS, ANY CPI INCREASES AND THEN THERE'S SMALL AMOUNTS BUILT IN AND THE BIPS A BUDGET FOR ADVERTISING, POSTAGE PRINTING, THOSE THINGS TO ADMINISTER.
AND SO THAT WAS ALL I HAD FOR THE PRESENTATION, BUT WELCOME FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND IF I ANSWER 'EM I'LL DO MY BEST.
IF NOT, I'LL LOOK UP THE INFORMATION.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? WE GOT BOTH OF US GOT TAG TEAM ON IN A MINUTE, BUT I GOT ONE FOR YOU
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO YOUR COMPOST FACILITY BUDGET AND YOUR SALARY AND BENEFITS IS A HUNDRED ABOUT BASICALLY 112,000 AND YOU SAY YOU GOT NINE PEOPLE THAT IS $90,000 A PERSON.
SO THIS IS EVERYTHING LUMPED TOGETHER FROM SALARY, BENEFITS, NSURANCE, WORKERS COMP COST ALL YES.
THAT STILL COMES OUT TO $90,000 PER PERSON AND YOU GOT ONLY NINE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AND THAT INCLUDES GOT THE, THE LADY AND SITS IN THE, IN THE UH, THE SHACK OUT THERE.
AND IF YOU GUYS WANDERING AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE REASON I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS 'CAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 40,000 MORE THAN WE PAY OUR TEACHERS.
AND I'VE SEEN THIS WITH, UH, THE UH, SERVICE AUTHORITY OVER ON VIRGINIA BEACH WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES.
AND, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS TO ME WATCHING WHAT PEOPLE DO OUT THERE AND, AND THIS COST, I HAVE A DISCONNECT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I HAVE A DISCONNECT WITH THAT.
SO HOW DO YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS OF DETERMINING THE SALARIES? SO THE SALARIES THEMSELVES, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO A COMPENSATION STUDY AND ALL THAT IS VOTED ON BY THE BOARD, RIGHT? THE BOARD.
DID THE BOARD EVER RAISE ANY QUESTIONS OR THEY JUST STAMP THE BUDGET? JUST STAMP AND SAY OKAY IT'S GOOD? YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, WHEN WE'RE NOT IN A, A PORTION OF A COMPENSATION STUDY, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES LIKE TO ALIGN ANY RAISES IN VSA TO BE IN LINE WITH WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNITIES.
RIGHT NOW, WITH THE COMPENSATION STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING FOR VSA, WE DO HAVE EXTREMELY LOW PAID POSITIONS AND I COULD BREAK OUT THIS 811,000 BETTER FOR YOU SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.
IT'S NOT JUST A SALARY AND BENEFITS, THERE'S OTHER INSURANCES AND THINGS WORKED INTO THIS NUMBER.
WE MADE THIS AS AN EASY BREAKOUT, BUT I HAVE A DETAILED LINE ITEM THAT CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THAT 811, WHAT IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE OF.
AND WE ARE A SIX DAY OPERATION.
SO WE DO HAVE SATURDAY TIME AND WE DO HAVE OVERTIME.
CAN WE GET THAT DETAIL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
KIND OF HAVE A LOOK, SEE YEAH, JUST, I MEAN SINCE SALARIES ARE KIND OF A COMPONENT OF CONTENTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE ACTUALLY SOME OF OUR, OUR SALARIES AT THE COMPOST FACILITY ARE ONES BEING LOOKED AT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU WITH DOING THE COMPENSATION STUDY RIGHT NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE COMING OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT EVEN PAID WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FOR THOSE POSITIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID ENOUGH FOR HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO A COMPENSATION STUDY? SO WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE IN QUITE A WHILE IN VSA.
IT'S NORMALLY JUST BEEN SMALL PERCENT RAISES AND WE'VE HAD SOME YEARS WHERE PEOPLE HAVEN'T GOTTEN RAISES AT ALL, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID O TIME.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING ONE TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE CAUGHT UP TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.
'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW AT OUR COMPOST FACILITY WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR VACANCIES OUT OF NINE.
SO IT'S MAKING IT VERY HARD FOR US.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU, HOW, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU EXPECT TO FILL THE POSITIONS? WE'RE TRYING TO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.
AND HOW LONG HAS THESE POSITIONS BEEN OPEN? UM, WE HAVE ROTATED THROUGH DIFFERENT ONES.
I CAN TELL YOU OUR OPERATOR THREE, WE'VE HAD VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBER AND I THINK OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THEN YOU TELL ME WE GOT A BUNCH OF OPENINGS HERE.
A QUESTION IS, WHERE'S THE REST OF THE MONEY GOING? SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PIECE WHERE WE, WE CHARGE BASED ON THE BUDGET AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROGRAM IS SET UP, LIKE IF IT'S CURBSIDE, IT'S A DIRECT PASS THROUGH.
IF THERE'S ONES WHERE, AND WE'VE CHARGE YOU MONTHLY BILLING FROM TFC.
UM, AND THEN WITH A COMPOST FACILITY WHERE WE PREDICTED OUT A BUDGET, IF THERE'S ANY EXCESS RESERVES OF FUNDS, THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES AND WE CAN ALLOCATE, ALLOCATE IT BACK TO EITHER OTHER PROGRAMS OR OTHER SERVICES.
THIS IS, THIS IS BETTING ON THE COME, THIS IS IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU GET THE PEOPLE THAT NEED, THAT'S IF WE, THIS IS THIS OUR BUT YOU MIGHT NOT USE ALL THAT MONEY.
THIS IS OUR ANTICIPATED BUDGET.
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WE WOULD NEED.SO, SO YOU, YOU HAVE NINE PEOPLE TODAY, YOU'RE LOOKING TO HIRE FOUR MORE, RIGHT? SO THIS BUDGET IS FOR 13 PEOPLE? NO, WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES OF THOSE NINE.
SO THIS BUDGET IS FOR NINE FOR THE YEAR.
SO THERE'LL BE, YOU'LL NEED, NEED MORE IF YOU GET TO OTHER FOUR.
NO, THE NINE IS INCLUDING THE FOUR VAC ONLY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE.
THEY NEED, SO NINE AND SO YOU GOT FIVE NOW.
NINE IS NINE OF WHAT YOU WANNA GET TO.
$90,000 OF POSITION BASED ON THAT TOTAL NUMBER, THAT'S THEIR ANTICIPATED BUDGET BASED ON FULLY BEING FULLY STAFFED.
MY QUESTION WAS, IF YOU'RE NOT FILLING 'EM ALL UP AND, AND YOU GET A BUDGET WITH THAT WITH UH, 800 WHATEVER, A THOUSAND, YOU HAVE SURPLUS AT THE END, YOU'RE GONNA END UP SURPLUS.
WHATCHA GONNA DO WITH THE MONEY? SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS, YOU GO BACK TO US.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WE'LL GIVE BACK TO GOES BACK MEMBERS.
IT'S UP TO THE BIPSA BOARD MEMBERS TO VOTE.
LIKE IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECT THAT NEEDS FUNDING OR YOU HAVE AN EXPANSION YOU NEED WITH YOUR WASTE CENTERS, IF WE HAVE COLLECTED FULL PORTIONS OF THAT PROGRAM'S BUDGET, THEN THAT IS SET ASIDE IN RESERVES FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BILL ON ACTUALS LIKE CURBSIDE, THERE WON'T BE ANY EXCESS.
BUT WE MAY FALL UNDER BUDGET, BUT WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED THE FUNDS FROM YOU.
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IN BUDGETS THAT YOU SEE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETS, YOU SEE THE BASE SALARY, YOU DON'T EVER SEE THE PIECES THAT SHE HAS INCLUDED IN THERE.
THE INSURANCE TO WORKMAN'S COMP, THE FICA, ALL OF THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS TO ME THERE WERE SALARY RELATED COSTS.
THESE ARE, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE IN OUR BUDGET OR IN THE SCHOOL'S BUDGET, YOU JUST SEE THE SALARY FOR THE EMPLOYEE.
THOSE OTHER COSTS ARE IN A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM.
AND THIS IS ALSO, AND SHE'S GOT 'EM ALL IN ONE LINE ITEM.
THIS IS ALSO BASE OF OUR BEST ESTIMATE ON WHERE THAT PERSON IS IN THEIR PAY RANGE RIGHT NOW.
SO LIKE WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO WORKS FOR OUR TRANSFER SYSTEM WHO HAS 32 YEARS WITH US.
SO THIS IS STRUCTURED BASED EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE OFF AT RIGHT NOW IN THEIR PAY GRADE AND NOT AT SOME TYPE OF, OF LOW BASE PAY.
MM-HMM
AND WHEN YOU GO TO BUY A PERSON, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO WORK IN A BUSINESS, YOU, YOU GOTTA ACCOUNT FOR BOTH THINGS OF IT.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS THE DANGER OF LOOKING AT JUST A BASE SALARY.
'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SALARY RELATED COSTS ARE, THEY COULD BE ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT YOU'RE PAYING IF NOT EVEN MORE.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S ALWAYS A BONE OF CONTENTION.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS CONSIDER.
SO AS YOU HEAR IN THE SUPERVISOR WORLD, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A, A BIG NUMBER I THINK.
WHAT ARE WE PAYING NOW? ABOUT 45 MILLION IN SALARIES IN THE COUNTY.
THERESA, WHAT DO WE PAY ABOUT 45 MILLION IN SALARIES NOW IN THE COUNTY FOR OUR POSITIONS? IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
OUR BENEFITS ARE ABOUT 37, 30 8%.
I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR BENEFITS PART OF IT, TOTAL BENEFITS ARE.
WELL THE NUMBER WE SEE I THINK IS NORMALLY HANDED OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS ABOUT $45 MILLION.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN ONE OVER 50 MILLION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU TAKE 45 MILLION AND ADD 30, 37% TO, TO IT, THAT'S GONNA BE OUR, OUR TOTAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE COUNTY FOR BUDGET FOR SALARIES IN THE COUNTY.
I'M SORRY, WE JUST DID THAT UNDER MR.
YEAH, I JUST, YEAH, HE'S LOOKING FOR OUR PANEL RIGHT HERE.
WE SHARE, GOTTA SHARE WITH THE BOARD
UM, ABOUT 20%, 28% OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS SALARIES.
SO 20, SO 56, 56, 60 MILLION, 28% IS 56 MILLION.
AND THEN PLUS THE, THE 11% ON TOP OF THAT? YES.
HOW ABOUT 60 MILLION? ROUGHLY? YES.
WHY DON'T YOU SHARE 'EM?
IN BETWEEN ME, THIS IS A TEST
I'M TRYING TO CALCULATE WHAT THE COST IS PER A PERCENT OF, UH, COMPENSATION INCREASE.
OKAY, SO OPERATION $460,000 AND YOU SAID THAT WAS FOR REPAIR MAINTENANCE.
WHAT WAS THAT FOR? IT'S BASICALLY TO RUN THE FACILITY PER YEAR.
SO OUR BREAKOUTS, WE HAVE THE SALARY BENEFITS FOR THE PEOPLE.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS A STRAIGHT CUT THROUGH TO THE BIPSA OVERHEAD, UM, OFFICE FOR IS FOR VERY MINIMAL THINGS IN THE OFFICE.
THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AT 320,000, THAT GOES STRAIGHT INTO A CIP FUND.
AND THEN THE OPERATION PIECE IS
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LITERALLY EVERYTHING INVOLVED IN OPERATING THE FACILITY FOR A YEAR, WHICH IS YOU ALREADY GOT LABOR COSTS COVERED ELSEWHERE.SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE EQUIPMENT.
EQUIPMENT, MATERIAL, CAR SALARY.
SO IT'S, IT'S EVERYTHING WE WOULD NEED TO RUN IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO YOU SEE, YOU GOT A GRINDER.
YOU GOT ONE GRINDER? YES, WE HAVE AND, AND TWO TROMMELS.
WE HAVE TWO FRONT END LOADERS, TWO TROMMEL SCREENS.
UM, ONE OF THOSE TROMMEL SCREENS IS EQUIPPED WITH KNIFE BLADES, PARTICULARLY FOR DEBUGGING LEAVES.
SINCE WE DEBA LEAVES FOR YOU, WE HAVE A WINDROW TURNER, ONE EXCAVATOR, ONE HORIZONTAL GRINDER, AND TWO SKID STEERS AND TWO FRONT AND TWO FRONTEND LOADERS.
WE USED TO HAVE THREE FRONT END LOADERS AND WE ARE DOING THAT WITH TWO NOW TO HELP SAVE ON COST.
UM, WHAT OTHER EQUIPMENT DO YOU HAVE? THAT'S ALL THE LARGE SCALE EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE, DON'T YOU? BUT YOU ALL OFFER COLOR ROSS MALL.
SO YOU GOTTA HAVE A MACHINE TO COLORIZE IT, RIGHT? TO MIX THE COLORANT.
THE EQUIPMENT WE ALREADY HAVE DOES THAT.
SO OUR TRAUMA SCREEN AND OUR GRINDER CAN BOTH COLOR MULCH.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
FROM WHAT THERESA SENT ME FROM 22 TO PROPOSED FOR 26, THE COMPOST FACILITY OPERATIONS WAS INCREASED BY $535,000.
I A 63, 60 3% INCREASE FOR YORK'S PORTION OR THE OVERALL BUDGET? YORK.
SO YORK'S PORTION, IT'S BECAUSE IN ALLOCATION CHANGED, UM, BETWEEN THE PERCENTAGES BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES AND THAT OCCURRED ABOUT JULY 1ST, I THINK OF 2023.
HAMPTON USED TO TAKE IN COMMERCIAL DOWN AT THEIR FACILITY THAT THEY TRANSPORTED UP TO US AND THEY DIDN'T USE TO CHARGE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR PROCESS AND THEY NOW CHARGE COMMERCIAL ENTITIES DOWN THERE, WHICH CHANGED HOW MUCH TONNAGE WAS COMING UP TO US FROM HAMPTON.
SO NOW YORK IS THE PEOPLE BRINGING IN THE MOST INCOMING TONNAGE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT SHIFT HAS OCCURRED.
KOSIN, I KNOW IT WASN'T A LOT, BUT KOSIN ALSO RUNS SOME DIFFERENT PROGRAMS BEHIND CITY HALL.
SO LESS OF THEIR MATERIAL IS NOW COMING IN VSA AS WELL.
SO THEIR PERCENTAGE I THINK WAS HIGHER THAN THE 4% THAT IT IS TODAY.
SO THE PERCENTAGE HAS CHANGED, BUT THE OVERALL TONNAGE HASN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH.
IT'S GONE DOWN SOME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE SAME AMOUNTS OF COMMERCIAL THAT WAS COMING IN FROM HAMPTON.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM YORK COUNTY.
WE'RE SOUND LIKE WE'RE ROUGHLY FROM WHAT, HOWEVER YOU ESTIMATE IT, WE'RE BRINGING IN YORK COUNTY IS BRINGING THE SAME AMOUNT OF TONNAGE AS THE WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS.
I CAN GET IT HISTORICAL, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE PRETTY SIMILAR STORM EVENTS.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS COMPLETELY ACCURATE, BUT THE PORTION THAT CHANGES YOUR BUDGET IS THE PERCENTAGE BETWEEN THE OTHER COUNTIES THAT SHARE IT.
WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON YOUR MACHINE, YOUR EMPLOYEES OR ANY OF YOUR OPERATION.
'CAUSE WE'RE BRINGING THE SAME TONNAGE.
UM, SO THE PERCENTAGE, I MEAN IT'S NOT RIGHT THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THIS BIG OF INCREASE AND WE'RE BRINGING IN THE SAME MATERIAL.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT APPARENTLY THIS CONTRACT IS WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DO IT BASED ON PERCENTAGE, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY EXTRA, UM, BENEFIT FROM PAYING MORE.
IT WAS THE WAY THE VSA BOARD STRUCTURED IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WELCOME TO LOOK AT OTHER, OTHER WAYS TO BREAK UP THIS BUDGET IF ALL THE COMMUNITIES ARE IN AGREEMENT IN VSA TO DO SO AND THEY VOTE TO DO SO.
SO YOU HAD A, IT WAS SWITCHED FOR A WHILE THAT HAMPTON WAS IN YOUR ROLE AND BECAUSE THEY WERE BRINGING IN MORE INCOMING TONNAGE, THEY SHARED A LARGER PORTION OF THE BUDGET.
YEAH, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE PAYING MORE BUT BASICALLY GETTING THE SAME SERVICE, UM, BY CUTTING THEM, THEM CUTTING OUT, PUT THE BIGGER BURDEN ON US, RIGHT? MM-HMM
FINANCIALLY PUT THE BIGGER BURDEN ON US.
BUT VS A'S OPEN TO A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE IF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANNA TALK ABOUT IT AND VOTE ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE WE JUST ADMINISTER THIS.
SO HOW IT'S BROKEN UP DOESN'T REALLY MATTER AS MUCH TO BIPSA.
YOU HAD A SLIDE EARLIER THAT, THAT SHOWED ANNUAL SALES OR I GUESS THIS ONE SHOWS, THIS ONE SHOWS REVENUE FROM SALES REVENUE FOR THE COMPOST.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO THE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIAL CELLS HERE? SO THE SALES UP HERE, WHERE'S THE SALES, SALES FROM YOUR COUNTY MATERIAL SALES MATERIAL CELLS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE WHOLE SLIDES US HUH? MATERIAL CELLS ALONE IS WHERE WE'RE SELLING MULCH AND OTHER PRODUCTS.
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AND THIS IS WHAT THE ANTICIPATED IS.SO YOU GET $500,000 FROM ALL YOUR FACILITIES COMBINED OR JUST FROM YOUR COUNTY.
THIS IS THE COMPOST FACILITY ITSELF.
SO WHEN THE COMPOST FACILITY SELLS MULCH, SOIL BLEND, THINGS OF THAT NATURE IS COUNTED AS A REVENUE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM AND THAT REVENUE DIRECTLY OFFSET OFFSETS WHAT YOU, MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING.
I I THOUGHT YOU HAD MORE THAN ONE COMPOST FACILITY.
SO THAT'S THE ONE IN YOUR COUNTY? YES.
SO YOU GOT PEOPLE FROM WAY UP IN THE WAY UP IN THE PEN, MIDDLE PENINSULA DRAGGING STUFF DOWN HERE? NO.
SO THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE COMPOST FACILITY IS THE ONES LISTED HERE SHOWING ON THE REVENUE SIDE.
HAMPTON, WHICH IS YORK, OC AND HAMPTON.
THOSE ARE THE THREE PARTICIPANTS.
IF MORE MEMBERS WANNA PARTICIPATE, AGAIN THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER MEMBERS TO JOIN ON BOARD AND HELP WITH COST SAVINGS.
I KNOW NEWPORT NEWS IS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CONSIDER THAT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE SOME, SOME STUFF GOING ON AT THEIR FACILITY AND WE MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO COMBINE AND HELP WITH COST SAVINGS BETWEEN COMMUNITIES.
DID YOU ASK THE QUESTION THEN IF THAT'S THE $500,000 THEY GETTING OFF OF THE COMPOST? THE COM THE COMPOSTING? OKAY.
SO HOW MUCH ARE WE, THAT'S THE REVENUE.
HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO GENERATE THAT $500,000 IN MATERIAL SALES? SO A LOT OF THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO DO WHEN WE HAVE INCOMING YARD DEBRIS.
WE HAVE TO PROCESS IT, WE HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF OUR FACILITY RATHER.
WE HAVE A STRUCTURE LIKE NEWPORT NEWS WHERE WE POTENTIALLY GIVE IT AWAY FREE FOR RESIDENTS.
UM, OR WE HAVE SOMETHING WHERE WE SELL IT.
AND THIS IS, AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO PROCESS IT? 500,000.
EVERYTHING HERE LISTED, LISTED IN THE EXPENSES FOR THE BUDGET IS TO RUN THE FACILITY FOR THE YEAR.
AND THE EQUIPMENT LINE ITEM GOES TO THE CIP THE HOST LEASE FEES LISTED AS EXPENSIVE VSA GO STRAIGHT TO YORK COUNTY.
IT'S $2 MILLION TO, TO GENERATE $500, 500,000.
THIS IS, WE OPERATE THIS FACILITY NOT TO SELL MULCH MATERIALS.
WE OPERATE THIS FACILITY TO HANDLE YARD DEBRIS AS WASTE MANAGEMENT.
THE REVENUE COMING IN FROM ANY MATERIAL CELLS JUST HELPS TO OFFSET THE COST TO OPERATE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN, WHAT I, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TELLING US, IF I HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THIS EXPENSE ON THE RIGHT AND YOU'RE GETTING $2 MILLION BASICALLY, AND, AND THAT THE MATERIAL ITSELF IS ONLY SELLING 500,000.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE DISCONNECT HERE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I MEAN, $2 MILLION TO GET 500,000 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT FUNCTIONING AS A BUSINESS TO SELL MATERIAL.
WE'RE FUNCTIONING AS A SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.
THE SAME THAT YOU PAY A FEE TO GET RID OF TRASH.
WE NEED TO HANDLE YARD DEBRIS AS A WASTE MATERIAL.
SO THAT IS NO DOING MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THIS.
SO THE, THE BOARD IS ALSO CONSIDERING, WE JUST SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING, A, AN INCREASE ON THE MATERIAL CELLS TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THESE COSTS.
HOW YOU, YOU GONNA RAISE A PRICE PER YARDAGE ON WHAT YOU SELL ON SALES? ANY REVENUE COMING IN FROM THAT WOULD HELP TO LOWER YOUR COST AND YOUR COST TO YOUR RESIDENTS.
SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT RAISING IT TO? I BELIEVE IT WAS $2 A UH, UH, I, I DON'T, IT'S TWO, IT'S A ADDITIONAL $2 PER YARD OF MULCH.
AND I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE BASE ON ALL THE, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT ARE YOU GOT COMPOST OIL BLEND REGROUND, MULCH, MUL FINE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE SELLING COLOR MULCH, BUT IT'S TO HELP US MOVE OUR MATERIALS.
SO WE NEED TO OFFER THE VARIETY OF MATERIALS BECAUSE OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO KEEP OUR DEQ PERMIT THE MATERIAL THAT WE GET IN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
WE NEED TO PROCESS AND IT LEADS TO, IT NEEDS TO LEAVE OUR FACILITY IN AN UNAN ANNUAL BASIS.
THIS IS KIND OF A CURVE BALL OUT, THROW THE TABLE.
BUT THE STATE MANDATES THAT YOU RECYCLE SO MUCH THAT A MUNICIPALITY, YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY OF YORK COULD PROBABLY DROP CURBSIDE RECYCLING AND STILL BE SAFE WITH THE COMPOST FACILITY.
'CAUSE WE RECYCLE SO MUCH THERE.
YOU CAN SHOOT ME IF I, I'M RIGHT ON THAT.
IT'S THE LARGEST, LARGEST SINGLE SOLE CONTRIBUTOR TO OUR RECYCLING.
RIGHT? SO THE TONNAGE THAT'S COMING THROUGH THIS FACILITY IS BEING CONSIDERED RECYCLED BECAUSE WE FOCUS ON SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.
WE'RE NOT A FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF A STATE MANDATE.
SO AND THEN FUNDED MANDATE BY THE WAY.
SO WHAT, SO WHAT, WHAT, SO WHAT DOES THE STATE ASK US TO DO? ANOTHER, WE TAKE IT IN MANDATE.
WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT, THE STATE, THE STATE MANDATES THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAS TO MEET.
AND WHAT HELPS YOUR COUNTY AND THIS REGION SO MUCH IS THE FACILITY AT THE COMPOST FACILITY.
SO HOW MUCH PROCESSING OF THAT, OF THAT YARD DEBRIS HAS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MEET THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS? I'D, I'D HAVE TO DIG INTO THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I MEAN IT'S A COMBINATION.
DOES IT NEED TO GET HAULED OUT OF THERE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT? DOES IT NEEDS TO BE GROWN UP TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT?
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WHAT, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? YES.IT NEEDS TO BE PROCESSED AND IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED FROM OUR FACILITY.
WHETHER YOU GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE OR YOU SELL THE MATERIAL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR PERMIT TO OPERATE THE FACILITY.
CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS GIVES IT AWAY FOR FREE.
IT COST SOME, COST SOME MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS $500,000 IF WE DID IT, IF WE GAVE IT AWAY FOR FREE.
BASICALLY WHAT I'M SEEING UP HERE.
I MEAN, SO COST SOME PART OF THAT 500.
SO THEN YOUR BILL, THE PROCESSES YARD DEBRIS WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ROUGHLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND LIKE WE SAID, VSA IS OPEN TO WHATEVER THE COMMUNITIES WANNA DO WITH IT.
WHETHER YOU WANT US TO SELL THE MATERIAL OR YOU WANT US TO GIVE IT TO RESIDENTS FOR FREE, LIKE NEWPORT NEWS.
THE CONCERN, BUT THE FACTOR THAT IS, IS THAT IT WILL AFFECT OUR EXPENSES TO OPERATE FACILITY.
LOOK, HERE'S, HERE'S A BIG CONCERN.
LET'S GET THAT RIGHT DOWN TO IT.
SO WHEN WE GOVERNMENTS DO STUFF LIKE THIS, OKAY, WE, WE, THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN THAT YOU'RE COMPETING WITH BUSINESS AND THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GOT LAWS AGAINST THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR EXAMPLE, GO OUT AND JUST DRIVE BUSINESSES AND GROUND.
AND SO THEY DON'T DO THINGS LIKE, THEY DON'T BUILD AIRPLANES.
THEY HAVE COMPANIES THAT BUILD, THEY DON'T BUILD SHIPS.
THEY HAVE COMPANIES THAT BUILD SHIPS, RIGHT? I MEAN THEY, THEY PAY CONTRACTS.
SO IN THIS CASE HERE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, JUST UM, BASED ON WHAT THE NUMBERS YOU'VE SHOWN OUT HERE, WE ARE COMPETING WITH, WE ARE COMPETING WITH BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE LAWN CARE BUSINESS.
RIGHT? BUT IF WE, IF IF WE GIVE IT AWAY, IT'S GONNA COST OUR CITIZENS MORE MONEY.
WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT FOR PROFIT.
OUR MAIN THING IS TO HANDLE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT.
WE YOU'RE TO DO IT AT MINIMAL COST.
WHEN THE COMPOST FACILITY WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED, THEY ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT TO BID TO ALLOW PRIVATE COMPANIES TO COME IN AND BID AND RUN IT.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE ENTITY THAT BID AND IT WAS SHOWN THAT VSA COULD RUN IT MORE EFFICIENTLY AT A COST SAVINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF THAT, WELL, I WOULD THINK THE BUSINESS COULDN'T OPERATE THIS.
SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT'S WHAT THE VA BOARD WENT FORWARD WITH WAS VSA WILL OPERATE IT.
AND THE ONLY ONES THAT WE WOULD BE TECHNICALLY IN, IN ANY TYPE OF COMPETITION WITH THE COMPETITION WITH WOULD BE ANOTHER PERMITTED FACILITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF YARD DEBRIS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITIES.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF SELLING MATERIAL.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ASPECT OF HANDLING YARD DEBRIS AS A WASTE MATERIAL.
WELL, AND THAT HAS TO BE A PERMITTED FACILITY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE COMPOST PRODUCTS.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE TWO THOUGH.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IF YOU RAISE THE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PRICES TO COVER THE, THE, THE, THE FEE YOU'RE CHARGING YOUR AND CUS AND, AND HAMPTON AND THAT WAY TO WASH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
WHY? NOT? NOT WITH THE WAY THAT THIS FUNCTIONS FOR, BECAUSE THIS IS FUNCTIONING AND RUN FOR THE COUNTIES.
WE'RE RUNNING AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY.
BUT, BUT TO, WE'RE NOT A FOR-PROFIT FOCUSING ON ANY TYPE OF MULCH THAT I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO BE FOR-PROFIT.
I'M ACTUALLY, I ASKING YOU TO BREAK EVEN TO, TO TOM'S POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE BID THIS OUT TO A LOCAL BUSINESS TO DO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT AT WHATEVER PRICE POINT TO MEET EXPENSES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA RUN IT AS, AS, AS A BUSINESS.
NO, WHEN THIS WAS BID OUT BEFORE ONE COMMERCIAL ENTITY BID AND THEY HAD A HIGHER COST THAN WHAT VSA WAS TO OPERATE, THAT WOULD, AND THAT WOULD BE EXPECTED BECAUSE BASED ON THE NUMBERS, WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE DOING TO MEET, KEEPING IT OUT OF THE COMP, KEEPING IT OUT OF THE LANDFILL.
FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHAT, 18 TONS A MONTH OR SOMETHING? 1800 TONS A MONTH OR WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS.
UM, SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE DON'T WANNA FILL UP THE LANDFILL WITH THIS STUFF.
LET'S JUST GRIND IT UP AND LET PEOPLE COME IN AND GET IT AND SPREAD IT AROUND.
OF COURSE WE'RE SELLING IT AT A LOSS THAT'S, WE'RE SELLING IT A LOSS.
AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S TO BE UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MAKING A PROFIT.
BUT IN SELLING AT A LOSS, WE UNDERMINE BUSINESSES THAT SELL TO MAKE MONEY.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOVERNMENT AND A BUSINESS.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRULY DOING HERE IS UNDERMINING BUSINESSES IN A COMMUNITY.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW, THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO BID AND THEY HAVE BID AND THEIR COST, IT COSTS MORE.
IT WAS GONNA COST THE COMMUNITIES AND RESIDENTS MORE MONEY.
YOU POINT I IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THOUGH.
THE POINT IS THAT BUSINESSES GONNA OPERATE A LOSS.
SO IF ANYBODY EVER TELLS ME WE OPERATE, I KNOW YOU GUYS LET THINK YOU WE'RE A BUSINESS.
WE'RE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE OPERATING AT A LOSS HERE AND WE ALLOW IT TO OCCUR BECAUSE WE GOT THESE OFFSETTING COMPETING IDEAS.
YOU KNOW, SO, BUT THEY, SO THE THE ISSUE IS HERE IS HOW CAN WE BE LESS COMPETITIVE WITH BUSINESSES AND STILL DO THE SAME JOB? WELL HERE'S THE, SAY HERE'S THE OTHER POINT TOO.
THE MONEY COME THAT THEY MAKE AND IT COMES BACK AND LET AND SEE, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
MY POINT IS, HOW CAN WE DO? WELL THEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TAXES AND WHAT, WHAT OUR TAXES ARE.
HOW CAN WE DO THIS WITHOUT BEING, BEING, HOW CAN WE DO THIS AND BEING LESS COMPETITIVE WITH OUR, OUR
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COMPANIES IN OUR AREA? WELL, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, BUT I DON'T CARE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.THE POINT IS, HOW CAN WE DO THIS OKAY.
WITHOUT BEING LESS COMPETITIVE AGAINST THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES ARE PAYING TAXES.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS NOW WE'RE STARTING TO PAY TAXES NOW, BUT WHAT DOES THE MATERIAL SALES NUMBER HAVE TO RISE TO SUCH THAT WE'RE EVEN WITH, WITH COMPETITION? AND THAT'S ON QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE, AND THAT WOULD OFFSET OUR COSTS.
RIGHT? BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
BUT THAT'S, IS IT A MILLION DOLLARS? IS IT 750,000? IT'S SOMETHING HIGHER THAN HALF A MILLION.
BUT THEN YOU RUN INTO THE ISSUES OF, IF WE CAN'T MOVE OUR MATERIAL, WHICH IS OUR, THAT'S WE LOSE OUR PERMIT MATERIAL.
SO IF, AND THEN IF WE LOSE OUR PERMIT, WE CAN'T OPERATE THE COMPLEX.
WE CAN'T STOCKPILE, WE CAN'T STOCKPILE A LOT OF, NO, NO.
OKAY? IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, WE'RE NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA OPERATE THE WAY WE HAVE TO OPERATE.
AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO GET THE STUFF OUT AND NOT PUT IT IN THE LANDFILL.
I THINK MOST COMMON SENSE PART OF OUR POPULATION WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PUTTING, PUTTING TREES AND STUFF IN A LANDFILL IS KIND OF A WASTE OF SPACE.
AND IT'S ALSO PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO GRINDING IT UP AND MAKING SOME MONEY OFF OF IT.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DRIVEN TO PUT COLORED MULCH OUT FOR SALE JUST SO YOU CAN GET IT AND WORK PEOPLE TO COME IN AND GET IT OFF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S WHY YOU DO IT.
OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE MATERIAL.
AND I KNOW THAT YOUR STANDPOINT IS COMING FROM ONE SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL ENTITY WHO COMES IN AND BUYS MATERIAL FROM VSA ITSELF.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN COMPETITION WITH THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE USING US AS A FEED STOCK AND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT FULL FEED STOCK FEED STOCK AND DO THAT THEMSELVES AND MAKE THE PURE PROFIT OFF OF IT.
AND IN DOING SO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, GET THE REVENUE THAT WE COULD GET.
YOU WOULD GET LESS MATERIAL SALES AND IT WOULD END UP DRIVING UP THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM.
HOW ABOUT THIS? CAN YOU, CAN WE OR CAN YOU AS AN ENTITY, UH, CAN WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW YOU CAN CAN CAN GIVE THE STUFF AWAY AS A GOVERNMENT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS HAVE MONEY COMING IN FROM THE TAXPAYERS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO MY POINT IS SELL IT TO THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY AT A GREATER REDUCED COST.
BUT, BUT THEN YOU'RE USING TAX, YOU'RE USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO SUPPORT A PROCESS AND THEN YOU'RE BENEFITING A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, NOT PAY TAXES.
INSTEAD OF LOWERING THE COST TO THE RESIDENTS WITH THEIR TAX PAY TIES.
THE POINT OTHER THAN THE FACT THE REVENUE, BUT I'M SAYING CHARGE A MINIMAL COST TO THE BUSINESS.
WHO'S RUNNING A BUSINESS THAT DOES OTHER THINGS BESIDES MULCH, BUT IT CAN ALSO THEN PAY THE TAXES.
YOU KNOW, YOU PAY TAXES ON THE SALES NOW.
YES, WE PAY TAXES ON YOUR, SO IF YOU GIVE IT AWAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY ANY TAXES.
BUT IF YOU GIVE IT AWAY TO AN ENTITY THAT HAS TO PAY TAXES, THAT'S REVENUE TO THE COUNTY ALSO.
BUT IF WE GIVE IT AWAY TO AN ENTITY, THAT COMMERCIAL ENTITY IS PURELY PROFITING OFF OF THAT MATERIAL.
AND THEN YOU'RE LOSING MATERIAL SALES TO HELP OFFSET THE RESIDENT COSTS HERE.
BUT WE GET, WE GET TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALES THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS FROM COMPANY ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES MAKE AS THEY'RE GOING TO.
AND YOU GET AS, AS LANDSCAPE AND EVERYTHING TOO.
BUT HOW, HOW, HOW CAN YOU SHOW THAT IT, IT'S EVEN STEVEN, I MEAN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S EVEN STEVENS FACT IS THAT WE'RE NOT ENTERTAINING BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT YOU MIGHT BE DOING IS HELPING A, A BUSINESS AND CAUSING OUR TAXPAYERS MORE MONEY.
NOT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT SIGN SIGNIFICANT.
MORE MONEY NOW WE HAD TO RAISE ALL OF OUR UM, SOLID WASTE FEES UP JUST BY THE SHARE FACT SHEILA, THE SURE FACT OF US DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS COSTING, COSTING OUR TAXPAYERS OF THE WHOLE REGION $2 MILLION.
WOULD COST TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT MY, MY MY POINT IS ARE WE GONNA BE A GOVERNMENT THAT SUPPORTS OUR BUSINESS OR ARE WE ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, KIND OF FIGURING OUT HOW IN THE HELL WE JUST SAVE A FEW BUCKS HERE AND THERE.
MY POINT, I WOULD RATHER SAVE A COMPANY THAT HIRES OTHER PEOPLE THAT WORKS IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND WE COULD GIVE IT AWAY IF WE, IN HOWEVER MANY BUSINESS, HELL, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE GENERATE A FEW MORE BUSINESSES THAT COULD COME IN AND GET THE STUDY.
BECAUSE YOUR EMPHASIS IS GET IT OFF THE PROPERTY.
OUR EMPHASIS IS BRING MANAGEMENT.
THAT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE EMPHASIS.
IF TRUCTURE IT DIFFERENTLY AND YOU WANNA GIVE MATERIAL AWAY TO RESIDENTS FOR FREE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA LOSE THAT REVENUE COMING IN THAT HELPS OFFSET YOUR BUDGET.
MIGHT DIFFERENCE AGAIN, DOESN'T MIND IF YOU WANNA DO THAT AND WE'LL BRING IT TO OUR BOARD.
IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING ANY FURTHER DEFENSE BOARD THAT CONTROLS.
WE CAN ONLY HAVE A SAY ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS WHEN WE RENEGOTIATE.
WHEN WHEN'S THE RENEGOTIATION? 29 29 LAST.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.
ALL THE ARGUMENTS SO FORTH CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AS WE RENEGOTIATE.
WELL YOU GOTTA MAKE IT WITH EVERYBODY 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST PART THEY RUN OFF A REGIONAL.
A REGIONAL MEAN WE CAN TALK ALL WE WANT ON IT, BUT ONLY MY POINT COAST HAMPTON EATING
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THE SAME SANDWICH WE'RE EATING THOUGH.SO I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT AND I GONNA GO THIS I DONE.
BUT IF YOU, IF IF YOU CHARGE MORE, YOU GO TO IMPACT ALL THE COMMUNITIES LESS.
AND SOME OF THIS STUFF IS BELOW MARKET VALUE, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE ALL THAT'S BALANCE.
AND WE, WE'VE DONE RATE INCREASES.
WE TRY TO KEEP IN LINE WITH WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO MOVE OUR PRODUCT.
WE, WE WATCH OURSELVES EVERY YEAR.
WE KNOW IF WE NEED TO INCREASE IT TO TRY TO, TO STAY IN THE SAME RATES, SAME REALM AS OTHER COMPETITORS OUT THERE THAT MAY HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
WHO WHO ARE YOU COMPETING WITH? I'M KIND OF SURE.
WHO ARE YOU COMPETING WITH? IF WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PERMITTED COMPOST FACILITIES, THE ONLY OTHER ONE IN OUR REGION UP HERE IS NEWPORT NEWS.
AND WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THEIRS? SO NEWPORT NEWS'S STRUCTURE IS THAT BASICALLY THEIR RESIDENTS PAY ALL THE EXPENSES AND THEN THEY GIVE MATERIAL FOR FREE TO RESIDENTS.
SO THEY'RE ABSORBING THAT COST OF WHAT COULD BE EXTRA MATERIAL.
SO THEY JUST PUT THE HOLD COST OUT AMONG THE WHOLE CITY.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE COULD MIMIC THAT.
WE COULD TAKE IT TO THE BOARD IF WE WANNA HAVE THAT STRUCTURE, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE EXPENSES.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS MATERIAL CELLS UH, NO, I'M SAYING SELL IT HERE.
I'M JUST SAYING SELL THE MATERIAL AT A ADD TWO MORE BUCKS TO IT.
GIVE IT AWAY OR GIVE IT AT A HALF COST TO THE BUSINESSES THAT USE IT.
HOW THAT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A SMALL, A SMALL, WE BROUGHT IT UP AT OUR OVERSIGHT MEETINGS AND WITH OUR BOARD AND THEY JUST, THEY HAVEN'T AGREED WITH THAT CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU'RE USING TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR AN OPERATION AND THE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE THE ONES BENEFITING OFF OF THAT.
AND IF YOU CHARGE HALF RATE TO A COMMERCIAL ENTITY, THEN THAT COMMERCIAL ENTITY IS BENEFITING OFF THIS.
IT'S, BUT ALSO THE STRUCTURED NOW THAT IF YOU BUY SO MUCH QUANTITY FOR VISO, THE RATE GOES DOWN.
I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING WITH OUR OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE REALMS OF DO WE WANNA GIVE RESIDENTS FREE MATERIAL? WHAT OTHER STRUCTURES DO WE WANNA HAVE? AND WE'RE OPEN TO ALL THESE IDEAS.
VSA RUNS IT AT A DISCRETION OF THE BOARD.
BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, WE HAVE, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? WE'RE ONLY ONE ENTITY INVOLVED IN IT AND THE OTHERS HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE WANT, WE HAVE THAT VOICE.
HOWEVER, IT'S MAJORITY RULES LIKE IT DOES ON THE BOARD.
THERE ARE ONLY THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE IT.
THERE'S ONLY TWO OTHER MEMBERS.
SO I MEAN IT'S ONLY, IT'S A BIG GROUP WE'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER.
IT'S THE VI A BOARD THAT VOTES IN GENERAL.
OH, IT'S NOT JUST A COMPOST BOARD.
IT'S BOARD DOES A FULL, SO, SO WE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE WHO, WHO DON'T PAY TO THIS MAKE A DECISION ON, ON HOW THIS WORKS.
IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? AND IT'S THE SAME THAT ANY THAT'S, THAT AIN'T RIGHT.
IT'S THE SAME THAT YORK HAS A VOTE IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA.
TRANSFER SYSTEMS AND CONVENIENCE CENTERS.
YOU GUYS DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE VIPS A BOARD, YOU HAVE A VOTE.
YOU HAVE A VOTE AND AND REGIONAL VOTES.
OR REGIONAL VOTES AND ANOTHER GOTCHA.
I'LL, I'LL THROW IT OUT HERE 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR 25 YEARS.
WE PUT IT IN THE TRUCK, WE BRING IT OUT AND WE EMPTY IT AND WE DON'T SEE A DIME FOR IT.
BUT WE'LL TURN AROUND AND PAY, I DON'T KNOW, $32 A YARD FOR CALL, CALL IT MULCH.
AND AFTER I GIVE YOU THE RAW MATERIAL TO WORK WITH.
AND IT'S ALWAYS, THAT'S ALWAYS BOTHER.
BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH IT OTHERWISE, BERNIE, IF WE DON'T COLLECT IT, WE BURN IT.
WELL LIKE LIGHT A MATCH, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
SO I, I'M IN CONTROL OF THE CHIEF.
I, WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE OBJECTIONS ARE, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND I HAVE TO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING UP WITH US AND SHARING WITH US ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE, WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
GIVE YOU IDEAS TO THINK ABOUT.
AND I DUNNO WHO OUR BOARD REP IS.
WHO IS OUR BOARD REP?
IS THAT, IS THAT THE BIPSA BOARD OR COMPOST BOARD? BOTH.
SO I MEAN, YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT AND NOW HE CAN TRY TO SELL IT TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FIVE'S WHAT IT HAS TO BE, WE DON'T HAVE NEGOTIATED INSIDE OF THE CONTRACT.
SO THIS, THESE HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR BUDGET, IT CAN BE BROUGHT UP AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
WE PROBABLY CAN'T CHANGE IT FOR 26 THIS LATE IN THE GAME.
BUT IF THE COMMUNITIES WANTED TO COME TOGETHER, UM, AND GENERALLY HOW VIPS A FUNCTIONS IS ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WORK TOGETHER.
THEY TRY TO HAVE THE BACKS OF THOSE OF THE PROGRAMS THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN.
SO LIKE WHEN YORK HAS A VOTE IN THE MIDDLE PENINSULA, THEY'RE GONNA SIDE WITH THE MAJORITY OF WHAT HAPPENS UP THERE.
BECAUSE WE WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER AS REGIONAL AUTHORITY.
SO FOR THE OVERSIGHT, IF YOU WANTED TO STRUCTURE THE BUDGET DIFFERENT, WE COULD BRING IT UP AT OVERSIGHT AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER MEMBERS THINK ABOUT IT AND PROPOSE FORWARD SOMETHING NEW.
AND MAYBE FISCAL YEAR 27, IF PEOPLE VOTE TO CHANGE THAT, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE CAN DO THAT.
SO JUST REMEMBER
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ARE ABLE TO SELL AND MAKE A PROFIT AT MARKET VALUE.AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN TRYING TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO MAKE, UH, PROFIT.
SO AT THE VERY LEAST I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD LOOK AT A, A COMPOSITE OF THE PRICES PER YARD OF THESE PRODUCTS AND AT LEAST SELL AT MARKET VALUE.
BUT THE BUSINESSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT PERMITTED COMPOST FACILITIES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPERS AND, AND DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AS TO WHAT WE ARE.
GIVE A BREAK VOTE BUSINESS AS A GOVERNMENT.
SHE CANNOT POSSIBLY DO THAT STATE TAX TAX.
IT'S THE BOARD'S GONNA, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT ROB WHEN I SAID THAT.
OKAY, WE HAVE ONE, ONE PERSON ON THAT BOARD.
OR DO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE? WE HAVE ONE VOTE, TWO PEOPLE.
WELL, IT'S EITHER ME OR LAURIE HO WANNA BE UP THERE PROMOTING BUSINESS.
I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE LOOK, YOU THINK ABOUT OUR BUSINESS, SHEILA.
WELL THINK ABOUT IT IN THE TERMS. IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU WHY DO, WHY DO WE WANNA GET RID TO THE JUNKARDS? WHY DO WE WANNA HAVE BUSINESS HERE? SO IT ALWAYS GENERATES REVENUE THAT'S REDUCE OUR TAX LOAD.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, I DO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT TOM, BUT WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH COMPOST ANYWAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
WE GOT, WE WE DON'T WANT IN THE LANDFILL BECAUSE IT COSTS US, WHAT IS IT, $48 A TON? 50.
AND YET, AND WE'RE PAYING $500,000 HERE NOW I JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
HELP THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING THE BPO TAX, I PAYING, PAYING INCOME TAX.
I THINK THINK REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD CAN TAKE, TAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HE CAN DO.
LET GET OFF THIS, THE PIECE THAT I CAN SAY ON THIS IS WITH OFFLOADING THAT IN MATERIAL TO A COMMERCIAL ENTITY IS BIPS HAS DONE ALL THE PROCESSING ON THE BACK END.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY COULD TAKE THAT MATERIAL AND MAKE A PROFIT IS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE ALL THE PROCESSING FOR THEM.
THAT'S, YOU CAN'T MAKE A PROFIT IF YOU UNDERSELL.
I THINK WE'VE EXHAUSTED THIS TOPIC.
YOU BETTER ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR EVENING WHILE WE WORK ON THE BUDGET.
THIS WAS INFORMATIVE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT OVERALL VON SO THANK YOU WELL'S.
I'M WELCOME TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
REALLY APPRECIATE SEVERAL DOWN THERE.
THESE USED TO BE ONE PHONE THE S MADE.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY PHONE NOW.
AT ONE TIME I, THE CORPORATE WAS ON A, ON A VIRTUAL PARTITION ON HERE.
SO I HAD BOTH CORPORATE ON HERE.
AND BUT, BUT NOW THEY GOT RID OF THAT SOFTWARE.
SO THEN I HAD TO GET A PHYSICAL PHONE FOR, I CARRY TWO AND THAT'S WHY I GOT THIS LITTLE THING CARRIED.
WHAT IS THAT PHONE? IT'S JUST MY LITTLE PHONE CARRIER.
SEE MY PHONE RANG AND YOU KNOW, AND MY, AND MY HEADSET SET SO I CAN TALK TO PEOPLE FIRST.
THE GRAFTING TAP PHONE IN THE BAT.
SO I MEAN THE, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE FAR WORSE BUT ANNOYING.
WELL I, I'M, I GOT A, I GOT A SMALL ONE.
WE, WE DO HAVE STUDY TO TALK ABOUT WHERE ARE WE? AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WHAT'S TOPIC MR MR DOES NOT HAVE, UH, A DINNER DATE TONIGHT.
IS HIS WIFE JUST, YEAH, SHE JUST CONFIRMED
LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE IF YOU MAKE IT.
HEY, YOU CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT THE BOARD'S PERMISSION.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, PLEASE.
AT ABOUT SIX 15 SHE WANTED TO GET GOING.
OTHERWISE YOU WOULDN'T LEAVE
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DISCUSS WITH YOU SOME MORE BUDGET BUSINESS.BUT I NEED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION HERE THAT WE, WE ARE IN THE FINAL STRETCH.
OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING AFTER TONIGHT, I BELIEVE IS APRIL 15TH, WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BUDGET.
THEN WE HAVE AN EXTRA WORK SESSION SCHEDULED ON THE 17TH IN THIS ROOM.
ANOTHER ONE SCHEDULED FOR THE 22ND.
UH, THE BUDGET WOULD BE FINALIZED AFTER THE EVENING OF THE 22ND BUDGET.
STAFF WILL BE WORKING ON THAT.
AND IF YOU RECALL THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, UH, GETTING THIS ALL PUT TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME TIMELINES THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE AND THE TREASURER HAVE TO HAVE TO GET BILLINGS DONE APPROPRIATELY.
SO WORKING BACKWARDS, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE BUDGET BY MAY 6TH.
WE, I THINK WE, THAT'S THE ONE WE HAD CANCELED LONG TIME.
AND, AND MY LAST EMAIL RECOMMENDED THAT WE CANCEL THE 22ND.
BUT IF WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN AS REQUESTED UNTIL WE DECIDE WHETHER WE ACTUALLY NEED IT OR NOT.
AND, AND DOING IT ON THE FINALIZATION ON THE 22ND AND HOPEFULLY NEXT REALLY HARD ON STAFF NEXT QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY THAT POINT SO THAT WE CAN YEAH.
IT'S REALLY HARD ON STAFF TO PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER.
I THINK YOU JUST LOVE TO SEE US.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CANDY UP THERE.
THERE'S CANDY OVER THERE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT YOURSELF.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS TO TRY TO START WORKING TOWARDS WRAPPING UP SOME OF THESE DETAILS AS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE MONTHS SINCE, I GUESS SINCE DECEMBER.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM EACH OF YOU IN SOME AREAS.
I THINK YOUR POSITIONS ARE PRETTY CLOSE AND OTHERS, I DON'T THINK WE'RE CLOSE AT ALL.
SO WHAT I NEED TO DO IS TO START GETTING YOU TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN LIVE WITH.
SO WE JUST HEARD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT VSA.
SO WHAT I THINK CAME FROM THAT CONVERSATION IS THAT WE, WE WILL LOOK AT THIS AND IT POTENTIALLY WOULD IMPACT FY 27, NOT 26.
AND THAT, UH, IS WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HAD.
IS THERE, WELL, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT CONTRACTUALLY WE'RE BASED A PERCENTAGE OF THIS TONNAGE THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT GETS, HOW IT GETS CALCULATED.
I HEARD THAT WE'RE LOCKED IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD WE'RE LOCKED IN.
SO THE ONLY WAY TO OFFSET THAT IS MORE REVENUE FROM SALES THAN THEY GIVE BACK THE ACCESS.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO RAISE THE PER YARDAGE PIECE.
HOW MUCH THE PRODUCT COSTS THAT THEY SELL.
SO THAT'S THEIR BUDGET, NOT OURS.
THAT'S NOT A BUDGET DECISION FOR US.
I'M SAYING IF WE CAN'T, IF WE'RE LOCKED IN THROUGH 29 PER THE CONTRACT MM-HMM
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN HELP OURSELVES OUT IS THEY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WE HAVE BEEN.
AND WE, AND THEY GIVE US A SURPLUS BACK LIKE THEY SAY THEY DO.
SO, SO, AND THEY, AND THEY TRACK THE MATERIAL.
SO SOMEHOW BIPSA IS, IS A, A CHANGE EVERY YEAR FOR LIKE THE COMPOST FACILITY WHEN SHE WAS REFERRING TO 2029.
THAT IS THE RECYCLING CONTRACT THROUGH TFC.
SO IT'S IN THE ONE BIG AREA THAT THEY'RE IN NOW.
THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY EVERY YEAR RENEWAL WITH TFC THAT YOU COULD MAKE SMALL CHANGES.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE SO FAR AS THE COMPOSTING GOES? ONE, I I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW WE'RE CALCULATING TONNAGE.
WE COULD BE WAY OFF AND WHATEVER A 63% IS.
YEAH, SO I I, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA WRAP MY HEAD SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT.
THEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THE GATED REPUBLIC.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU DO A BASE COST ON A TRUCK AND A MEASUREMENT, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW EXACTLY HOW THEY DO IT.
AND THEN SO MANY TRUCKS COME IN, WELL, 13 OF 'EM WERE FROM HAMPTON.
THREE WERE FROM MCOS AND 20 OF 'EM FOR YORK COUNTY.
LET'S WORK THE PERCENTAGE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW FAR YOU WANT TO GO DOWN ON THE BILLING.
AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS COMING IN AND OUT OF THE TRANSFER STATION, THE TRAFFIC JAM THAT ENDS UP ON GOODWIN NECK ROAD.
SO, AND, AND, AND I, RIGHT, I, AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT BEFORE AND I DON'T THINK THE RIGHT ANSWER IS TO WEIGH EVERY RESIDENT IN AND OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK.
BUT I I THE TIME AND I, I THINK DWAYNE TOO.
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I'LL GET SOME ANSWERS AND YEAH.MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THAT, THAT WILL NOT AFFECT THIS BUDGET.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? NO, MA'AM.
THAT'S WHAT WE JUST AGREED THAT IT WOULD NOT.
SO WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HOW WE DO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
THAT DON'T WE? WELL, SO THAT, THAT WAS MY LAST, THAT WAS MY LAST QUESTION.
WHERE I YOU DON'T AGREE? HOLD ON.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION AND I'LL TELL YOU.
SO MY LAST QUESTION WAS, SO CAN WE NEGOTIATE THE PERCENTAGE EVERY YEAR? OR IS THAT LOCKED IN? WE, 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US, SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
BUT IT WOULD TAKE ALL THE OTHER FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT UP IN, IN SESSION.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO WORK ON GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S, SO I I I'M HEARING WE, I'M HEARING WE'RE LOCKED IN.
YEAH, I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, IT IS OKAY NOW, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
SO NEXT WE'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SCHOOL, WHERE WE ARE WITH SCHOOLS.
SO TWO ITEMS HERE, UH, WOULD INCLUDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IF, IF ANYTHING, WITH THE CIP AND THEN WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY FOR THE SCHOOLS IS A MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT, SHOULD IT BE YOUR DESIRE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS IN TERMS OF THE SCHOOLS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SITTING AT AN, AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS TO SCHOOL BUDGET OVER LAST YEAR, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
HOW DOES THAT READ INTO THE RECENT DECISION AT THE, AT THE STATE LEVEL? NOT TO, I THINK YOU AND I TALKED THERE WERE 1,000,007 SHORT OR WHAT THEY STILL HAVE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SHORTFALL.
AND IF I'M CORRECT, IT'S 2.7, TWO POINT BASED ON THE AMENDED, IT CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO ABOUT ONE POINT 0.6.
WE'RE DOWN TO 1.6 OUT OF OUR 1 MILLION, NOT, NOT INCLUDING OUR 1 MILLION.
NO, I'M SORRY, UNDER THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE SHORT.
IS IT UNDER 50 YEARS? THEY'RE STILL SHORT.
EVEN AFTER OUR 1 MILLION, EVEN AFTER OUR 1 MILLION GOVERNOR KIN THOUGH, HAS NOT CONCLUDED ON STATE BUDGET.
NO, THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS.
HE'S, HE'S, HE'S HOLDING THAT ONE UP BECAUSE HE'S GOT SOME DEMANDS ON, ON, UH, RAINY DAY FUND AND GIVING TAXPAYERS A REFUND THAT, THAT THE HOUSE HAS NOT AGREED ON.
AND SO THE, THE, SO WHEN BUDGET IS BEING HELD IN THE AIR, IT'S BE ONE OF THESE TO DRAG IT OUT IN MAY SOMETIME YOU THINK HE'S GOT 30 DAYS FROM WHEN THEY HAD THE VETO SESSION, WHICH IS SO THE FRIDAY BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET.
YEAH, WE SHOULD KNOW IT'S CLOSED.
BUT, ALRIGHT, SO WHAT IF WE KNOW AFTER THE FACT THAT, SO 1.6 SHORT, WHAT HAPPENS? WON'T BE IN A POSITION TO DO ANYTHING? THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
RIGHT? YOU MEAN IF WE INCREASE IT? NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING IF, IF WE'RE GONNA, IF, IF THE DROP DEAD DATE IS FRIDAY BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET, AND IF WE FIND THAT ON THAT DAY THAT THEY'RE STILL 1.6 SHORT, THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WELL, THIS, SINCE WE'RE OH, WE'RE TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, CONSIDER PUTTING THAT MONEY OUT THERE FOR THE SCHOOLS.
KIND OF HAVE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE, I KNOW WE'RE GOTTA WORK TOWARDS A BUDGET.
WE BUILD OUR BUDGET, BUT THIS CASE WE'RE SITTING, A BIG PART OF IT IS THE SCHOOLS, OUR SCHOOLS, WELL LEAST OF IT'S CONCERN.
IT'S A ONE POINT ANOTHER, WHATEVER WE SAY, 1.6 OR A ONE, WHATEVER.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A WHOLE 1.6 EITHER.
IF IF WE, IF EVEN INCREASE IT, 1 MILLION WOULD THAT, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD HELP.
WHERE'S THAT GONNA COME FROM? YEAH.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S THAT GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER RAISING, RAISING, COMING OUT, COMING OUT.
I'M AT A MILLION AND THAT'S ENOUGH.
WELL THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANY OF THE ISSUES ON THE BOARD HOW WE FEEL ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I I COULDN'T EVEN DISCUSS IT WITH YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET, LET'S, WELL, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN.
I GUESS FIRST THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS STAFF AND THE CIP COST THERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR DESIRE OF THE CIP OR OUR CIP OR WELL, WHAT WE WERE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCHOOLS, TO CIPI THINK WE OR FOR TAF HIGH SCHOOL.
ALRIGHT, SO IN THE CIP IS 50 POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS OVER TWO YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE ALL DEBT FUNDED.
THAT'S GONNA COVER NOT ALL BE 3 MILLION SHORT OF, THEY'RE DISTRIBUTING 3 MILLION FROM THEIR THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE.
SO 40, SO 47 MILLION NET FUNDED, UM, THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD CARRY THAT NOTE.
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SEVEN.WHAT I, I'VE HEARD NOW I I I LOOKED AT THE CIP AND IT WAS 50 POINT SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE TWO YEARS MINUS THEIR $3 MILLION.
SO WHAT, HOW MUCH IS THE NOTE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CARRY FOR THE, FOR THE TAB PROPOSED RENOVATIONS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS? IS IT $43 MILLION THEN? 43 MILLION? 40 THREE'S? 42.
ACTUALLY 42 MILLION ARE YOU SAYING? OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS? OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BIG BALLOON A COUPLE YEARS LATER.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT SOME TOTAL.
BUT THAT'S THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MR. RON IS YOUR QUESTION, HOW MUCH WERE YOU FOR THE TWO YEARS THIS DEBT FUNDED? HOW MUCH? JUST RATE MINUS THREE.
IT'S NOT ON THIS, WHICH IS $2.5 MILLION FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
WE'RE ALREADY CARRYING A $1.2 MILLION NOTE FOR ER FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
THAT WASN'T ALL THEIRS ABOUT SEVEN, TO BE FAIR.
THAT WASN'T HOW HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH? SEVEN 50.
I I THINK THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT, TERESA.
SO THREE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS NEXT 20 YEARS WE CARRYING THE NOTE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WHAT'S THAT PER YEAR? TWO AND A HALF, $3 MILLION A YEAR.
SO TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR 20 ON THAT.
I GOT A LOT OF HEARTBURN PICKING UP ANOTHER, ANOTHER $2.5 MILLION NOTE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
WELL NOW I KNOW THAT COMES IN ON UNDER OUR DEBT CEILING, WHICH IS GOOD, RIGHT? EXCEPT THAT I'M LOOKING AT OUR DEBT CEILING AND I, I REALLY WANT TO OH, OKAY.
ONE PENNY OF THE TAX MONEY THAT COMES IN FOR REAL ESTATE TAX TO OUR CIP TO OUR RESERVE FUND BECAUSE I, I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA COST US SO MUCH MONEY DOWN THE LINE.
AND IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD DESIGNATE ONE PENNY EACH YEAR AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, BUT WELL, FOR, FOR THIS HERE, WE DON'T HAVE TO, THE ONLY REASON IT'S GONNA COST US SO MUCH MONEY IN DEBT FINANCING IS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET IT DONE IN TWO YEARS.
THERE'S NO, BUT I THINK IT'S TWO.
BUT YOU TURNED LOAN THE WHOLE WAY.
I, I STILL COME BACK TO IS GEOTHERMAL REALLY THE RIGHT ANSWER? AND I, AND I'D REALLY LIKE, SAY TAKE THAT BACK AND RECONSIDER AND SEE WHETHER SOLAR AND SOME OTHER THAT THAT TOO.
THE OTHER OPTION IS STAY WITH CONVENTIONAL HVAC, KNOCK OUT BIG PIECES AT A TIME THAT WE CAN DO FOR THE CASH AND NOT DEBT FINANCING AND DO IT OVER A FEW YEARS.
DO ALL THE SECURITY INVESTIBLE AND THE LIBRARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DO.
AND YOU CAN FLIP THAT AND DO IT THAT, DO THAT FIRST, RIGHT.
AND HOLD OFF ON THE HVAC AND DO A PROPER EVALUATION ON WHETHER IT'S GEOTHERMAL OR SOLAR OR WHAT IS THE BEST OPTION.
THEY, THEY'VE COME BACK AND TALKED TO US SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE GEOTHERMAL, BUT WE'VE GOT 14 YEAR PAYOUT.
WE GOT YEP, WE GOT, WE GOT PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE WITH GEOTHERMAL.
WE KNOW IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO AND IT, THE STUFF DOESN'T EVER SEEM TO BREAK.
SO IT'S 20 AND IT'S A, I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS LIKE A 25 YEAR RETURN ON INVESTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION.
AND IT'S ONLY TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE, THE WHAT? THE GAS OR ELECTRIC, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA USE DOWN THERE.
YEAH, IT'S A STANDARD HEAT PUMP DEPOT.
SO IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A LOOK INTO THE FUTURE OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR CONTINUALLY DOWN THE LINE.
I MEAN WE'VE HAD, WELL WE HAD VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH H WITH GEOTHERMAL.
YOU YOU GOT THE WE GOT GEOTHERMAL.
WE GET IT DOWN THE WATER WETHER SEVERAL SCHOOLS ALREADY.
WE'VE DID IT IN SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS.
THE REASON I, THE REASON I I THE GEOTHERMAL'S ONE PART, THE, THE, UH, SOLAR PANELS CAN BE ANOTHER CONS CONSIDERATION.
IT COULD PRODUCE THE POWER OF THE GEOTHERMAL PLUS SOLAR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT PART OF THE PROBLEM.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THERE'S A STUDY THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE YOU DECIDE IS IT GEOTHERMAL OR IS IT SOLAR? AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD PUSH THAT OFF FOR ONE YEAR.
WELL, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK IT'S CONVENTIONAL, BUT THEY HAVE NEW SYSTEMS OUT NOW, VBS, VFS, THAT ARE MORE HIGHLY EFFICIENT THAN THE CONVENTIONAL BY FAR.
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PARTNER, IF WE HAD A DEVELOPER OR A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP FUND IT UPFRONT, THEY WOULD GET THE TAX CREDITS AND THEN WE BUY IT FROM THEM AFTER IT'S PAID OFF FOR A DOLLAR.AND THEN WE CONTINUE TO GET THE SAVINGS EVERY YEAR.
SO'S A LOT OF WAYS WE COULD DO, IF WE COULD SOLAR A LOT OF WAYS WE COULD DO THIS AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET WITH HARLEY ANY MONEY.
SO WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T EXHAUSTED THESE AND I'M PUSHING GOING NO, I, I DON'T WANT TO DO, DO THE GEO.
SO HOW, HOW WOULD, UH, HOW WOULD, OKAY, SO MY CONCERN IS HOW LONG DO WE, DO WE STRETCH THIS OUT? UH, UNTIL WE GET SOME ANSWERS.
TOM, I I THINK THEY COULD REASONABLY DO THAT WITHIN A SIX MONTHS.
THEY'D HAVE TO GET A, THEY'D HAVE TO GET A, UM, CONSULTANT ON BOARD AND LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF 'EM AND, AND JUST MAP OUT WHAT IS THE COST, WHAT IS THE RETURN? IS THERE A SMARTER WAY OF DOING THIS ONE? AND I THINK THEY COULD WRAP IT UP IN RESPONSE.
SO WOULD IT BE LIKE, UH, SO FOR US TO, TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DELAYING THE WHOLE THING FOR ONE YEAR? JUST YEAH, JUST THE SOLAR.
YOU DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU DO THE, DO ALL THE RENOVATION, YOU DO THE CLASSROOMS, YOU DO ALL OF THAT.
DO WE DO IT ALL AT ONCE? YEAH.
I MEAN, DO, I MEAN ALL OF THE, THE PHASES IS TO DO THE GEOTHERMAL NOW.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THEY'RE THEY'RE PROCEEDING GOT IN YES.
ON THAT PATH BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT FACILITIES, HAVE THEY PUT THE WELLS IN YET? OR HAVE THEY PUT I THINK THE TOWER IN.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTOR ALREADY.
SO THE BITS OR DO BACK FOR THE WELLS IN A WEEK.
SO, SO, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, OKAY, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE CONCERN OVER THE GEOTHERMAL? DO YOU NOT WANT TO DO GEOTHERMAL OR DO YOU WANNA DO GEOTHERMAL? I THINK THERE'S BETTER OPTIONS.
WELL, THEY LOOKED AT THE GEOTHERMAL AND THE OPTION OF DOING THE SOLAR TO GET IT NET NEUTRAL.
DID THEY LOOK AT SOLAR ONLY? DID THEY LOOK AT MINI SPLIT TYPE OPTION INSTEAD OF A STANDARD HVAC? THERE ARE SEVERAL.
I THEY HAD CONSULTANTS LOOK AT IT, BUT EXACTLY.
ALL OF THOSE, NO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY DID.
I, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT ALL THAT.
WELL, I'M GONNA, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING BEFORE I GET MY POSITION ON IT.
I'M GONNA, AND THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT MEETING OR NEXT COUPLE MEETING'S GONNA BE ABOUT BECAUSE I'M, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO 'EM AND I'M NOT GETTING, I'M NOT SURE I'M ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO HAVE THE ENGINEERS TO COME OUT AND TALK TO 'EM OR GO GET THESE ESTIMATES OR WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE HOLD UP HERE IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO? I MEAN, THE BID, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN THIS IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD PROJECT FOR A CONTRACTOR I WOULD THINK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, AND THE MILLIONS, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, WELL WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE TWO AND A HALF MILLION BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY COME AND TOLD US.
THEY'VE DONE ENOUGH TO DETERMINE THAT IT WAS ONLY GONNA COST TWO AND A HALF MILLION MORE THAN THE STANDARD, WHATEVER THE STANDARD AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM SYSTEM, THE STANDARD, THE HEATING, AIR CONDITIONING AND ALL I THINK REMEMBER WAS ABOUT SAID BUILDINGS ARE NOT, THE BUILDINGS ARE COLD.
THE ROOFS NEED TO BE, THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
LIKE WHAT'S THE SOLAR PANEL? SO DO THEY DO THE, CAN THEY, THEY, IS THE ROOF PART OF THIS? THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED? IS THE ROOF PART OF THIS OR IS THAT COME IN LATER? I MEAN, WHAT'S, YOU GUYS ARE LISTENING TO DIFFERENT PARTS TRYING TO GET WHAT YOU WANTED OUT OF IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO ME, I I WAS OKAY WITH THE GEOTHERMAL BECAUSE OF ALL OUR EXPERIENCE.
WE'VE GOT WITH, WE GOT A TON OF EXPERIENCE.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I MEAN, FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING GEOTHERMAL AND, AND I'VE NOT HEARD ONE COMPLAINT ABOUT GEOTHERMAL.
YOU KNOW, AND SO, SO THIS IS THE, THE POINT IS THEY WANT TO DO GEOTHERMAL FOR THE SCHOOL.
NOW THE, THIS JUST, I, I SAW THE, I SAW THE PAPER COME IN ABOUT THIS HIGH SCHOOL THAT DID THE, THE ROOF AND THEN MADE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY GENERATE MORE PAY FOR THE TEACHER SALARIES.
AND THEN OTHER SCHOOLS ARE DOING THAT.
SO THEY CANNOT, THEY DO THE GEOTHERMAL NOW THEN THE, THE ROOF LATER.
I MEAN THAT TO ME MAKES IT IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOLAR ON THE ROOF OR YOU YEAH, I MEAN, WHY, I MEAN COMBINATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE, I HAVE NOT, NO ONE HAS COME IN AND SAID THAT THE, THAT THE THUR UH, THE SOLAR PANELS IS A TOTAL SOLUTION TO THIS THING.
THAT'S, I WOULDN'T ASK AND I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE FIRST THING THEY WOULD'VE JUMPED ON IF THEY, IF THEY WERE GONNA JUMP ON IT.
SO TO ME THAT WHAT THEY'RE LOCKED ONTO IN THEIR STUDY AND WHICH MAKES SENSE BASED UPON ALL OUR EXPERIENCE, IS GET THE GEOTHERMAL IN THE GROUND AND GET IT, GET IT DONE.
IF IT GENERATES THAT MUCH JUICE, THEN THEY WILL, THEY CAN SELL IT BACK AND MAKE MONEY.
THAT WOULD REDUCE OUR TAXPAYER LOAD OR, OR HELP PAY FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
WE'VE GOTTA GET THE, THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAY FOR THE GEOTHERMAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PAYBACK COMES IN ON ON SOLARS.
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PUSHING IT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.SO I, TO ME, RIGHT NOW, THE, THE LOGIC POINT IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE TAB HIGH SCHOOL END UP TAKING, TAKING ONE OF OUR PREMIER SCHOOLS AND THEN TURNING IT INTO A, UM, TURNING INTO NOTHING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, TOM.
I THINK I, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, NO, I, I, THEY HAD ALREADY SPLIT OUT MOST OF THE CAPITAL IN THE EARLY YEARS WAS FRONT ENTRANCE, UPGRADE, LEARNING, COMMONS, REMOVE, RENOVATE THE LOCKERS.
THOSE WERE THE FIRST FOUR ITEMS THAT WE'RE DOING.
GEOTHERMAL CAME IN IN YEAR THREE.
SO, SO I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT LAST PART THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING ON YET.
AND IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE PLAN UNTIL 27.
SO WHAT'S THE CONTRACT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO IT IN TWO, IN TWO YEARS.
THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO OPEN FOR THE DIGGING OF THE DRILLING OF THE WHEELS WELLS FOR THE GEOTHERMAL, AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WAS IT ORIGINALLY GONNA BE DONE.
WELL, WE GOTTA DO THE WELLS IN TIME TO GET THE FIELDS BACK IN PLAY FOR THE FALL.
SO THEY HAVE TO DO THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER ONE FIELD.
ONE, THE ATHLETIC FIELD, THE SOCCER RIGHT FIELD HOCKEY FIELD.
THEY'RE TEARING UP THE FIELDS DOWN THERE NOW.
THAT'S THE TURF FIELD THAT THEY'RE DOING.
NOW THE FIELD DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SCHOOL IS WHERE THE WELL FIELD WILL GO.
IT WAS A MILLION IN 26 ON THE BALANCE IN 27 AND THE A AND E AND THE HVAC CONTROLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH WAS THE, UH, 17 MILLION.
SO THEY, THEY JUST ACCELERATED.
THIS IS THE CURRENT BREAKDOWN IS WHAT? THE, IS THIS ORIGINAL OR THIS IS THE UPDATE.
THAT'S WHY WE NOT A SPREADSHEET.
WELL, BUT I MEAN, THE ONE WE GOT, SO WITH THIS, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO CONVOLUTE THE THING.
THE POINT IS, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN, I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN TO A PLACE WHERE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE SOLAR PANELS ISSUE.
I'M ONLY SEEING THAT SOLAR PANEL COMING IN OVER, OVER SOME OTHER STUFF.
CHAD HERE COMING OUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I, AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SOLAR PANELS, BUT THE, BUT THE, TO ME, THE SCHOOL CAN ARGUE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE DO WE DELAY THIS AND FOR WHAT REASON? SO THEY, SO THEY HAVE BETTER SYSTEMS NOW, AND IT'S GEOTHERMAL.
SO NOW THEY'VE COME OUT WITH THESE NEW, IT'S LIKE A MINI SPLIT.
THERE'S NO WATER COOLERS, NO WATER, NO PIPING FOR THAT.
AND YOU CAN BALANCE EVERY ROOM SEPARATELY WITH THE SYSTEM.
SO IT'S ALL REFRIGERANT DRIVEN.
AND IT'S MORE EFFICIENT THAN WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT.
DID YOU NOT TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS? SIR? I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE PROCESS THAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
I, I WOULD, I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THESE, THESE ARE NEW SYSTEMS THAT JUST CAME OUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
SO I, BEFORE I DIG IN MY HEELS ON SOMETHING, I'M, IF IT'S MORE EFFICIENT, WHATEVER I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING, BUT, BUT I GOTTA KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
I, YEAH, I, I, AND I'VE NEVER MENTIONED, I WANNA KNOW THE COST DIFFERENTIAL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THOSE NUMBERS WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS AND, AND $48 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE HELL A NUMBER IS NOW IT'S 44, 40 2 MILLION.
SO, SO, AND, AND TO ME, THE ONLY TAX ISSUE COMES UP, I SAY TAX.
THE, THE, WELL, IT COMES UP AS A TAX ISSUE BECAUSE IN 28 WHEN THE FIRST PAYMENT COMES DUE, IT'S REALLY 29 WHEN YOU SEE THE SPIKE 20.
OTHER, THE FIRST PAYMENT COMES DUE.
IT'S, IT'S $1.7 MILLION ON THIS.
IT IS ON THE WHOLE SCHOOL OR JUST THE SOLAR? I MEAN, JUST THE, UH, GEOTHERMAL THAT'S ON ALL SCHOOL.
SO, SO WE KNOW THAT THE BOARD, WHATEVER BOARD'S THERE AT THAT TIME, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH A $1.7 MILLION INCREASE IN THE DEBT THAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, NO, SOME OF IT GOES AWAY.
BUT FOR THE SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY, YEAH, JUST FOR THE SCHOOL PROCESS, IT'S A 2.5 PLUS FOR THE SCHOOL.
THIS IS BASED ON ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
WELL, IT'S 2.5 FOR THE TAB WORK AS, AS LISTED HERE.
PLUS, PLUS 750 FOR, PLUS THE, PLUS THE NOTE ON THE, UM, THE WAY I LOOK AT, ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT, WE'VE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE DOWN THE ROAD ON THE PLAN.
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SO WE KNEW THAT THIS LOAD'S COMING UP, AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S UNDERNEATH OUR PERCENTAGE, WHATEVER THAT TEN EIGHT PERCENT, IT'S UNDERNEATH THAT 10.BUT IT NINE POINTS SOMETHING GETTING PRETTY CLOSE.
IT'S UNDER, ACTUALLY, IT'S WELL UNDER THAT.
BECAUSE ONCE, ONCE YOU MADE THOSE, ONCE YOU TRIMMED THE CIB THE LAST TIME IT FELL BELOW NINE.
I'M, I, I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE RETREAT THOUGH, WAS YEAH, BUT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES BASED ON YOUR REQUEST.
WE CUT $50 MILLION OUT OF THE CIP SINCE THEN.
SO NOW THE NUMBER THAT'S PROPOSED, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM.
WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S TAKE THIS STATE.
THAT'S WHERE I ABSOLUTELY HAVE A PROBLEM.
DON'T I GET WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT IGNORE BY IGNORING IT, WE'RE GONNA FUND THE CIP.
OH, NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT NOT FUNDING THE CIP WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE CIP.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S, WE, WE CUT, WE CUT THE CIP WE NEED TO PUT A A, A MONEY INTO THE CIP EVERY YEAR FOR WHATEVER PROJECTS THE COUNTY NEEDS, NOT JUST THE SCHOOLS.
TO ME, THE CIP WHEN THE ONLY, UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING THIS YEAR, THE REST OF IT IS ALL CAN BE ADJUSTED AS NECESSARY.
MOST MISTAKES ARE MADE IN GOVERNMENT BY PUSHING STUFF OFF THE CIP AND EVENTUALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND THEN YOU'RE SCRAMBLE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE COSTING YOU A TON, A TON OF MONEY.
I THINK EMPORIA OR PETERSBURG IS ONE OF THOSE AT THAT PROBLEM.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS HOW TO, IS IS THE LACK OF, IT APPEARS TO ME THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, OR THE NEED OF FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE ISSUES OF WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE YOU CAN DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY OR NOT.
SO WHY IS THE SCHOOLS LOCKED TO ME? WHY ARE YOU LOCKED IN ON THE GEOTHERMAL? OKAY.
IS THE ARGUMENT IS, GOSH, WE'VE DONE IT EVERYWHERE ELSE AND IT WORKS.
BUT IS THERE, IS THERE ANY PUSHBACK FROM THE SCHOOLS ON A MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING IT AND SAVE US A CHUNK OF CHANGE? SO, TOM, I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE JUST PROCEED WITH WHAT'S IN THE PLAN FOR THE CURRENT YEAR FOR THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THAT'S EVERYTHING.
BUT GEOTHERMAL GIVES THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO COME BACK AND EVALUATE.
AND NEXT YEAR'S CIP, WHICH IS WHEN WE WOULD BE FUNDING THE, THE GEOTHERMAL PORTION.
THERE'S DRILLING NEXT SOME TRAPS.
THAT COULD BE THE DRILLING NEXT YEAR.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
TO GET A BACK, TO GET ONE THAT IT'S, IF, IF, IF YOU TAKE SIX MONTHS, DO A PROPER STUDY, WELL, THERE ABOUT ENGINEERING STUDY.
WILL, WILL IT COME UP WITH THE SAME SOLUTION? IF YOU START WITH THE PREMISE OF IS THERE SOMETHING BETTER THAN GEO? OKAY.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE COST OF DOING THAT? SOMETHING FOR US TO DO IT SCHOOLS ARE, THE SCHOOL IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DUG IN.
BUT WHAT IS THE COST OF DOING THAT? IS IT THAT WE LOSE OUT ON A, ON COST? DOES IT COST US A LOT MORE THAN SIX MONTHS? JUST HAPPEN? I'M, I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
WELL, THIS IS WHAT I, I THINK WHAT I HEARD, UM, MR.
SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO APPROVE THE PLAN AS IT IS, KNOWING THAT 26 IS THE ONLY PIECE THAT REALLY BECOMES PART OF THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT, BUT LEAVE WHAT IS IN 27 FOR NOW.
BECAUSE WE, NEXT YEAR WE'LL COME BACK AGAIN WITH AN EXPECTATION THAT THEY DO A A AND THEY'LL TELL US THESE QUESTION ANSWERS.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU, THEY'RE ALREADY TO THE POINT WHERE THE, THE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT'S WHAT COMPANIES, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DELAY THE WELLS, RIGHT.
ONE YEAR, WHAT HAPPENS? THEY JUST DON'T GET THE CONTRACT.
IS THAT, IS THAT ALL? IS IT THROW THAT CONSTRUCTION? I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THAT.
CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FOR THE SCHOOLS.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT DOES THE $19 MILLION FOR TAB HIGH PROPOSE FOR FY 26? GUESS IT'S ON MY CHART RIGHT? THERE.
HAS, IT'S EVERYTHING AT THE PUMP.
26, RIGHT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 26.
IT'S THE CLASSROOMS. THE GYM ENTRANCE.
THEY DO, THEY GET THE LEARNING CENTER LEARNING.
WAIT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BETTER SYSTEM DO ABOUT THE NEW ROOF.
DO THEY KNOW EVEN ABOUT THE BETTER SYSTEM? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.
WHO WAS WITH WHO? HAVE YOU ASKED THEM ABOUT? HAVE THEY LOOKED AT THIS? I HAVE.
THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN US THE INFORMATION.
BEN'S WAITING FOR INFORMATION, NOT ASKING THEM FOR, I'VE BEEN TRYING.
SO THEY'VE TRYING TO, I DON'T SEE A ROOF ON HERE.
I JUST SEE THIS DOESN'T WHERE'S SAY ROOF.
IT'S PART OF NUMBERS THAT DOUG PUT IN THERE.
ACCORDING THEY'RE ASKING $19 MILLION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OF 26 POINT.
AND WE'RE BIDDING ON COME ALL THIS ADDED TO 6.8.
WHY IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE? SO IN 25, DOUG, $3.6 MILLION, THE EFFECT
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OF US DELAYING IT.IF WE DO ALL OF THE FIRST FOUR, WHICH THE FIRST YEAR, SO THEY'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GEOTHERMAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
'CAUSE IT WAS IN 20 FIVES APPROVED.
GEOTHERMAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN THIRD 25.
BUT THEY SHOULDN'T WRITE THAT CHECK.
IF THEY END UP NOT DOING GEOTHERMAL, WELL SEE IT.
I THINK IN THEIR MINDS THEY'RE DOING GEOTHERMAL.
BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE DESIGN, BUT THEY DID DESIGN PLANNING ON GEOTHERMAL.
BUT THE DISCUSSION HERE IS THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT OPTION, BUT THE MONEY LAST YEAR WAS APPROVED.
THAT WAS THERMAL WHEN THE 25 CIP WAS APPROVED.
BUT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO WRITE THAT.
THEY HAVE TO WRITE THAT CHECK THOUGH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE.
NOT IF THEY HAVEN'T SIGNED THE CONTRACT, DOUG, YOUR SPREADSHEET.
BUT THEY ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDS TO, TO DO IT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA WASTE THE FUNDS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FUNDS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A BETTER SYSTEM.
WELL, THEY'VE DONE THE, THE DESIGN WORK.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DESIGN WORK WAS DONE AT THE MOST EFFICIENT AS IT COULD BE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.
NOBODY AROUND THIS TABLE HAS THAT ANSWER.
DOUG, YOUR SPREADSHEET HAS A TOTAL OF $6.8 MILLION FOR TAB FISCAL YEAR 26, RIGHT? I DO.
BUT, BUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR TAB HIGH FOR 26 IS $19 MILLION.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
MONEY GOES TO, HOW CAN WE DECIDE WHAT THEY SHOULD DO? I DON'T HAVE THAT.
THEY'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY BOOK IN FRONT OF ME.
WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, BUT WE IT'S OUR DOLLARS.
SO, SO I THINK IT WAS SIX PLUS THE 14 AND THE 14 WAS THE VESTIBULE, THE LOCKERS, THE LIGHTED FIELD.
SO YOUR, YOUR EXPRESSION DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THOSE.
THEY, YEAH, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE LIGHTED FIELD IN THE, UM, PART OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY DOING IT OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT.
SO IN, SO FISCAL YEAR 26 IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 27 8.
WELL, $19 MILLION IS FOR HVAC OF IT'S HVAC OF IT'S, UH, BETTER CONTROLS.
IT'S THE, YOU KICK IN AT GEOTHERMAL.
ALRIGHT, SO ARE WE GOING TO, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DO DOING DEBT FINANCES OF $19 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS GONNA BE A ONE AND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS NOTE FOR 20 YEARS.
OR DO WE BREAK THAT WORK OUT AND, AND PAY WHAT WE CAN CASH EACH YEAR AND NOT HAVE TO CARRY THE DEBT LOAD? WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I DIDN'T SO SAY, SAY THERE, SAY THERE'S 10 PROJECTS IN THAT $19 MILLION.
WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A LOAN, WRITE A CHECK FOR $19 MILLION AND CAN SAY, GO DO ALL 10 OF THEM.
OR WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE CAN DO EACH YEAR FOR CASH AND, AND SPREAD OUT.
OR WE GOT, THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE A DEAD LOAD.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS THERE'S NO WAY WE, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T FUND ALL THAT.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT WAS TRYING TO GET DONE TWO YEARS.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE, I HAVE WORK I NEED TO DO TO MY HOUSE.
I CAN EITHER GO GET A $50,000 HOME IMPROVEMENT LOAN AND GO GET IT DONE.
OR I JUST PAY EACH YEAR WHAT I CAN PAY OUT OF POCKET AND THEN OVER A FEW YEARS I CAN HAVE IT ALL DONE.
THAT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME EQUATION HERE.
BUT WHY ARE YOU SAYING WE HAVE TO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IT DONE IN TIME.
I MEAN, HOW LONG ARE YOU GONNA LET, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THIS WHOLE PROJECT AND THEN COVER EVERYTHING ELSE WE GOTTA DO.
WELL, SO COULD WE PAY FOR IT IN CASH IF IT DID OVER FIVE YEARS? NO.
THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO CONDENSE IT TO NOT DISRUPT THE STUDENTS THEY DON'T WANT.
BUT, BUT IT, BUT IS IS IT, BUT IS THE INTEREST RATE WE'RE GONNA PAY UP TO 20 YEARS WORTH, WORTH THAT COST? THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I THINK THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS ALREADY SHARED THAT.
RIGHT? BUT IS THAT, IS THAT THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER? WELL, AND I WILL, AND IF YOU SPREAD IT OUT, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE PARENTS, WHAT ARE THE, PROBABLY IT'S WHAT ARE THE COST INCREASES OVER THOSE FIVE YEARS MAY EAT UP ANY SAVINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER.
WELL, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD HIT THIS THING INTO THE GROUND HERE.
I, YOU KNOW, I I I, I LIKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT MORE EFFICIENCY IF I KNEW, BUT I'M NOT AN AIR CONDITIONING GUY AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU COME UP WITH SOME INTERESTING PROPOSALS, BUT THE SAME TOKEN, WE KNOW THAT GEOTHERMAL WORKS.
WE KNOW IT'S EFFICIENT AND WE KNOW THIS THING CAN GET DONE.
WE CAN DO IT AND WE CAN GET OUR HIGH SCHOOL BACK TO, YOU KNOW, BACK TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
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UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT.I DON'T, I MEAN, I, I, I'VE TRIED, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN THE SCHOOL'S GONE RIGHT NOW.
HE'S, UNLESS HE WAS SITTING THERE WATCHING THIS, WHICH I DOUBT HE'S SMART IF HE'S NOT.
BUT
I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE REAL IMPACT OF DELAYING THIS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A PRIMARY SCHOOL AND MY DISTRICT, OKAY? AND I KNOW HOW MY, MY CONSTITUENTS FEEL ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I REALLY KNOW HOW THEY DO THIS AND, AND SCREWING AROUND WITH THIS IS NOT AS, IS NOT GONNA BE LOOKED AT ANY FAVORABLE AT ALL.
WELL, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING GO AHEAD WITH NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF DELAYING THE GEOTHERMAL PART.
WELL, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
THAT'S NOT, I THOUGHT THEY, BUT THEY WERE.
WHAT, OKAY, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S THEN JUST BACK THIS WHOLE, IT'S THE 27TH ARGUMENT BACK UP SIXTH.
WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THEY, THAT THEY, THEY'RE DOING THE A AND E AND ALL THAT STUFF AND THEY GOTTA PUT IT IN THIS YEAR AND THERE'S A CONTRACT.
BUT I KNOW I CAN SEE IT HERE, BUT WHY DO THEY GOTTA PUT IN THIS YEAR? IT'S IN THEIR 25 THIS FISCAL YEAR.
3.6 MILLION IS THE WELLS TO PUT IN.
THEY'VE DONE TEST WELLS AND APPARENTLY THEY'RE GONNA AWARD, THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE BIDS NEXT WEEK TO DO THE REST OF IT, TO DO THE REST OF THE WELLS, WHICH WOULD OCCUR IN INFRASTRUCTURE SEVEN NO OCCUR NOW.
NOW THEY HAVE MONEY TO DROP WELLS.
NOW THEY'RE GONNA DROP THE WELLS.
BUT YOU DON'T USE THE WELLS IF YOU USE DO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, YOU'D BE WASTING MONEY.
NOW YOU COMMITTED TO GEOTHERMAL 27.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO EAT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF WELLS THAT SITTING THERE.
NO, AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE MADE THE DECISION FOR IT.
WE MAY KNOW BETTER THAN THEY DO ABOUT IT, AND MANY TIMES WE DO.
BUT THEY, THEY DEAL WITH THE STUDENTS AND THEY DEAL WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THEY DEAL WITH THE, THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE IN THE SCHOOLS.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON THEM AS THEY HAVE TO DEPEND ON US AND CERTAIN THINGS.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, IF THEY'RE DIGGING THE WELLS AND THE CONTRACT IS, SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK WE'RE TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD TO ALL OF A SUDDEN DROP OUR HANDS AND SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WHAT ALL THEY DONE SO FAR IS TEST WELLS.
THEY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY DUG THE WELLS YET.
THEY HAVEN'T THEY HAVEN'T AWARDED A CONTRACT YET.
THEY HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE CHECK YET.
RIGHT? WASN'T IT, WASN'T IT? BUT THERE IS A PROCESS OF, OF THE WELLS BEING APPROVED, THEIR APPROACH IN THE WEEK ISN'T THE APPROACH THEY'RE TAKING OUT BASED UPON OUR APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS CIP PS YES, SIR.
AND SO, SO WE'VE LED THEM, WE'VE LED THEM DOWN THIS PATH TO THINK THAT THE SEE IT, THAT THE, THE GEOTHERMAL, WELL THE PRICE WENT FROM 26 MILLION TO 46 MILLION.
BUT HOW DID IT GO FROM 26 TO 40? I DON'T FIGURED.
I THINK MAYBE THERE'S, YOU'RE ASKING THAT QUESTION.
I THE, THEY'RE TOO GENEROUS WITH THE, WITH THE ESTIMATES ON WHO, AND I WENT BACK TO THE CIP WAS 26, I THINK.
I THINK THEY'RE PADDING IT JUST IN CASE IT DOES GO UP.
AND THEY ARE DON'T, THEY'RE LOOKING AT VALUE ENGINEERING WITH THE, ONCE THEY GET THE DESIGN FIRM UNDER THERE WHERE THEY CAN, THEN THEY, SO THOSE ARE ESTIMATES THEY CAN ADJUST.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY WILL TRY TO CALL THAT BACK AND BRING IT DOWN.
WELL, SUGGESTION IS IF WE APPROVE IT, THEY'VE BEEN, BUT, BUT BRIAN, THE PROBLEM IS PULL, IF I WALK INTO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND I SAID I GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO SPEND, GUESS HOW MUCH THAT CAR IS GONNA COST? SO IF I TELL 'EM I GOT $19 MILLION SET ASIDE WITH A BUDGET, GUESS HOW MUCH THAT BID COULD COME IN THAT? WELL, NOT LIKE IT AIN'T PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY HANDICAPPED OURSELVES.
I'M SAYING WELL THAT'S, SO IT'S NOT GONNA GO BACK.
IT'S NOT GONNA GO BACK DOWN TO THOSE NUMBERS.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS GET AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE.
AND SO WE KNOW THAT BEFORE WE PUT THAT BID OUT.
AND SO IF IT COMES IN WELL ABOVE OUR, OUR BUDGET FROM OUR ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WE'RE GONNA REDO IT.
SO, I MEAN, THERE IS A BASELINE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO COME IN.
SO WHY DONT WE JUST, WHY DON'T WE TELL 'EM THEY GET TO 20, WHATEVER, IT'S, IT'S 27 MILLION, WHICH WE ORIGINALLY PROVED.
AND WE MARCH FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND THEN, THEN THEY CAN ARGUE ABOUT HOW MUCH EXTRA THEY NEED.
BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME REAL NUMBERS.
THEY HAVE REAL NUMBERS, BUT THEY CAN GET THE WELL IN IF THEY, AND WE SAID THAT THEY, WE SAID THAT THEY COULD GO WITH GEOTHERMAL.
WE GO WITH GEOTHERMAL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GAVE, WE GAVE, WE WENT IN WITH 27 MILLION.
THAT'S KINDA LIKE DROPPING YOUR CAR AT THE SHOP AND GIVE AN ESTIMATE.
YOU GO PICK IT UP IS TWICE AS MUCH WHAT HE ESTIMATED.
NO, WE WOULD BE, THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE SAYING HOW MUCH WE PAY.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN DRIVE A AWAY.
I DON'T, THE PROBLEM I GOT IS, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF DELAY.
I DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT OF DELAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BOTHERING ME THE MOST.
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OF COURSE.THAT'S, EVERYTHING'S GONNA PRICE INFLATION RATE OF INFLATION'S GONNA GO UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY BOTHERING ME.
WE TOLD 'EM WE COULD HAVE GEOTHERMAL.
THEY, AND THEY STARTED THIS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GOT ALL THIS, WE GOT THIS HUGE BILL AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WELL, I'LL JUST SPEAK TO DR. CARROLL KIND OF WALKED US THROUGH HOW THEIR ESTIMATES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
AND SO IT, THE, THE PROJECT WASN'T FULLY IN, IN THE CIP AT FIRST BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT TO THAT WORKING NUMBER.
HE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE SAID WHAT WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DEBT WE COULD BORROW EACH YEAR MM-HMM
AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY, THEY JUST KIND OF PUT A PLACEHOLDER AND IT KIND OF WAS A PLACEHOLDER.
AND THEN WHEN THEY STARTED GETTING CLOSER, THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE PIECES THEY WOULD WANNA DO IF THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A RENOVATION OF TAP HIGH.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW WHY HE SPOKE TO THE NUMBER CHANGING OVER THE YEARS.
AND I THINK TOO, I THINK HE SPOKE WITH THE, THE REZONING THAT THEY DID AND THE CHANGES IN MOVING BACK THE, UM, SPECIAL PROGRAM THAT WAS AT DARE THEN THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T NEED, BECAUSE THEY MADE THOSE CHANGES, DID NEED TO RENOVATE DARE MM-HMM
SO THEY SAID, OKAY, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THIS MONEY, IT FITS THE COUNTY'S POLICY THAT WAS 16 MILLION AND SO LET'S, AND TAB SCHOOL HAD 11 IN THE BUDGET.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 26 COMES FROM.
BUT HOW DO YOU GET TO 26? I'M JUST CONTINGENCIES JUST SAYING WHAT HE CONTINGENCIES SAY I TOOK THERE AND ADDED IT BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT AND THAT STILL HAD 20 MILLION ADDED MM-HMM
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT HAD ALL THE PIECES AT THAT POINT.
BUT I, I, I JUST, I THINK A LOT OF IT IT WAS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THEM.
I'M JUST THINKING WHAT I'VE HEARD OVER THE TIME IS LIVING WITHIN THE COUNTY'S CIP BUDGET.
AND I THINK PREVIOUSLY THEY'VE BEEN YOU GUYS, I GOT DICK SHEOR HERE.
I I I BELIEVE LIKE 9 MILLION A YEAR.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED SCHOOL PROJECT EVALUATE.
ARE THEY DOING THE MOST EFFECTIVE? WELL, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BOARD MEETING HERE.
I THINK THE PROBLEM, WE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THEY CAME, OH, I KNOW THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT OFF SUPER, SUPER ROUGH.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M TRYING DRAFT AND THEY SHOULD ON A E DONE BEFORE THEY CAME TO THIS BOARD SPEAKER AND THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE.
HEY VIC, CAN YOU HEAR US? LET'S SEE.
VIC, ARE YOU STILL THERE? I AM.
SO I MEAN THIS IS, WE'RE NOT
SO VIC, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE CONCERN, OKAY? WE GO BACK TO, WE GO BACK TO THE $27 MILLION, WHICH WAS IN THE ORIGINAL CIP FOR THE PROJECT.
THESE, IT, UM, SUSAN SAYS, SAYS SHE BELIEVES IT JUST WENT ALL THE PARTS WHEN YOU GUYS MADE THAT, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY MADE THAT, UH, YEAH, WE WERE TELLING YOU TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE, THE GEOTHERMAL APPROACH.
THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN TELL ME IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING WRONG HERE, THEN, THEN THE BIG QUESTION IS, IT GOES FROM THAT 27 MILLION TO 40 47, WHATEVER IS 42 40 3 MILLION.
AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A COUPLE PARTS OF THIS.
UM, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FEEL THAT THERE IS, THERE IS ACTUALLY MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THIS.
I I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE HOW YOU GUYS CAME ABOUT THE DECISION, BUT I, WE UNDERSTAND THE GEOTHERMAL PART SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TESTED ENOUGH IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY, THEY'RE DOING THE TEST WELLS NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT, THAT THERE, THERE IS A, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOARD OF ONE, HOW WE GOT THAT EXTRA 20, $20 MILLION IN THE, THE COST.
AND THAT MAY HAVE COME FROM REFINEMENT FROM YOU GUYS.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
UM, IF THERE, UM, SO THERE'S THAT CONCERN.
UM, MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT AND THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL TO DELAY THAT PART OF THE, THE PROJECT LET YOU, YOU KNOW, LET THE SCHOOLS GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THE OTHER FRONT END PART, THE FRONT END BITS.
BUT THE, UM, BUT THE GEOTHERMAL PART, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS AS WHETHER THAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THIS OR, UM, UH, IS HOW IS THAT, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO, TO ME, HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THE ROOF? UH, ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE, UH, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE SOLAR PANEL, THE SOLAR PANELS, IS THAT GONNA, HOW THAT, I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LATER OUT.
HOW DOES THAT SOLAR PANELS THAT GEOTHERMAL PLAY INTO THE EFFICIENCY AND COST OF THIS PROJECT?
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GUYS, IF I'M MISSING.WELL, I THINK, I THINK WAYNE'S POINT AROUND THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS TODAY FOR EFFICIENT AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS, RIGHT? IS THE CONCEPT OF, OF HOW A MINI SPLIT SYSTEM WORKS IS, IS MORE MODERN AND WOULD THAT BE A MORE EFFECTIVE IMPLEMENTATION FOR AND CHEAPER AND CHEAPER? DO WE NEED A MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING LOOK AT IT IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT PATH? DO ALL THE VESTIBULE AND THE SECURITY WORK AND THE CLASSROOM WORK AND THE LIBRARY WORK AND THE, UH, LEARNING COMMONS, DON'T DELAY ANY OF THAT.
LET IT GO FORWARD, BUT SPEND SOME ADDITIONAL TIME LOOKING AT THE, THE RIGHT HVAC OPTION AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ADDITIONAL 18 MILLION THAT'S REQUIRED NEXT YEAR IS THE, IS WELL SPENT.
I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? IS THERE, ARE THERE BETTER OPTIONS THAN GEOTHERMAL? GEOTHERMAL HAD A VERY, VERY LONG PAYOUT PERIOD.
WE KNOW SOLAR IS FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
COULD WE GET ALL THE ENERGY SAVINGS WE NEED WITH JUST SOLAR AND A CONVENTIONAL HVAC SYSTEM? OR DO YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE A, A GLORIFIED MINI SPLIT SYSTEM, UH, AS, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO EITHER OF THOSE FIRST TWO? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEBATING, VIC.
I I, I THINK WE'RE ON BOARD WITH, WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE TAB IMPROVEMENTS.
WE'RE JUST STRUGGLING WITH THE QUESTION ON THE HVAC SYSTEM AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE DONE ENOUGH HOMEWORK.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS.
I KNOW WE SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES EXPLAINING THIS TO YOU, I BELIEVE A WEEK AGO.
CAROL WENT THROUGH A LI AN ITEMIZED LIST OF EACH OF THE COSTS AND WHAT WE WERE DOING.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APOLOGIZE ME, I'M, I'M LITERALLY ON VACATION AND DO NOT HAVE, UH, ANY INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME TO, UH, REFER TO.
SO I BELIEVE WE WERE IN PROCESS OF DOING THE A AND E WORK, UM, OR GETTING THE BIDS BACK.
AND I THINK THEY WERE EITHER, THEY WERE EITHER GONNA BE RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, DURING SPRING BREAK THIS WEEK, OR YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE RETURNED.
UM, BUT I COULDN'T GIVE YOU ANY DETAILS ON, I I KNOW THAT OUR TEAM HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND I, AS I SHARED WITH YOU IN THE PAST, WE'VE DONE HVAC SYSTEMS IN GEOTHERMAL FOR THE PAST DECADE OR MORE.
SO I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
THAT'S WHAT I, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU.
BUT AS FAR AS SPECIFIC TO THE TAP PROJECT, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION WITH ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M ON VACATION.
MY TEAM IS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT WHEREVER THEY ARE ON VACATION AS WELL.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED ME TO COME BACK NEXT TUESDAY, I CAN SHARE, SHARE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE, ABOUT WHAT WE SHARED LAST WEEK.
AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I I CERTAINLY, YEAH, I CERTAINLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL QUESTION OVER THE PHONE WHILE I'M ON VACATION.
I, I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE THAT.
I THANK YOU FOR EVEN TAKING THE CALL.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS DID THEY, DID THEY EVALUATE THE NEW VARIABLE REFRIGERANT FLOW SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY THE UP AND COMING, UM, SYSTEM AS EFFICIENT AS IT IS AGAINST THE GEOTHERMAL? FOR A LONG TIME, GEOTHERMAL WAS GOOD, BUT THEY'VE COME UP WITH THESE, UH, VRV SYSTEMS AND VRF SYSTEMS THAT ARE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BETTER.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE WELLS, YOU DON'T HAVE WATER SUPPLY.
IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY REFRIGERANT LINES.
WHAT'S THE COST? IT'S CHEAPER.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU NEED YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY CHEAPER THAN THE GEOTHERMAL IN THE LONG RUN.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU GUYS EVEN LOOKED AT THAT AND, AND VETTED THAT AGAINST THE GEOTHERMAL AND BECAUSE THE RETURN ON THE GEOTHERMAL IS JUST A, A LONG WAY OUT, THE ROI IS PROBABLY 15 PLUS YEARS OUT.
CAROL AND MY, MY TEAM TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I'LL REMIND THIS BOARD THAT YOU DID JUST BUILD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND IT'S A GEOTHERMAL AS WELL.
THAT WAS APPROVED YEARS AGO TOO.
SO WE, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN A FEW YEARS.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT OPTIONS THAT ARE GONNA SAVE US MONEY AND STILL GET US THE, THE PRODUCT THAT WE WANT AND THE MOST EFFICIENT PRODUCT.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, I COULD, WHEN I RETURN, I WILL CERTAINLY, I GET TOGETHER WITH MY TEAM TO FIND OUT THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU JUST SHARED.
SO, SO VIC, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD ASK.
AND I DON'T KNOW FOR THE NEXT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NEXT MEETING? REGULAR MEETING, NEXT MEETING'S.
WE GOT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT? WE GOT ANOTHER ONE.
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ANOTHER ONE ON THIS WORK SESSIONS ON THE 17TH, I THINK.AND THEN ON THE 24TH IF WE CONTINUE, THERE YOU GO.
SO THE 15TH IS THE NEXT MEETING THAT'S REGULAR PUBLIC HEARING.
THURSDAY IS A SPECIAL WORK SESSION LIKE THIS AND 22ND ANOTHER SPECIAL WORK SESSION LIKE THIS.
COULD WE GET SOME OF THESE? COULD WE GET, COULD WE WHAT, WORK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT ON THE 17TH AND GET SOME OF THESE BASIC ANSWERS QUESTIONS OR? WELL, I'M THINKING THAT SINCE DWAY DWAY KNOWS SO MUCH ABOUT THIS NEW SYSTEM, THAT HE GETS THE INFORMATION SINCE HE'S BEEN IN THE BUSINESS AND AT LEAST GIVES US A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST.
WELL I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE COST, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO WELL, THEY'D HAVE TO RUN THOSE NUMBERS.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD GET SOMEONE TO ESTIMATE APPROXIMATELY WHAT IT, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST MIGHT BE AND NOTHING, NOTHING LOCKED IN, BUT A GENERAL FIELD FOR, FOR INSTANCE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRESENTED THIS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO LOOK.
SO, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE INFORMATION.
SO IF, IF I CAN ASK, WE, IF YOU CAN ASK A FAVOR OF MR. BELLAMY OR MS. GOODWIN, GO AHEAD.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY, THEY'RE SAYING YES AT THE MEETING.
IF THEY COULD PLEASE JOT DOWN THESE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ANSWER, UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET BACK, JUST GIVE US A DAY OR TWO TO GET BACK FROM BREAK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR YOU.
BUT IF, IF WE HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS DETAILED IN RUNNING, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
AND THEN WE, WE PARK THIS UNTIL THE 17TH AND SO YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT.
OKAY, VIC, I WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND ENJOY YOUR VACATION.
SO, SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THOUGH, OKAY.
THINGS, THINGS SIT AS THEY ARE TODAY, GOT 19,000,026, ANOTHER 19,000,027, YOU GO OUT TO 29, WE GOT A $13 MILLION PRICE TAG.
30 ANOTHER $13 MILLION PRICE TAG WITH QUEENS LAKE.
AND THEN 31, WE GOT A $14 MILLION PRICE TAG FOR WALL OF MILK.
ALL THAT STUFF'S GONNA BE DEBT FINANCE.
OUR DEBT IS JUST GONNA KEEP GROWING AND WE'RE NOT GONNA, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
BUT I MEAN, WHERE'S THE SURPRISE HERE? I MEAN, WE, THIS IS, WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN CARRY IN THIS COUNTY ON DEBT, OKAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE A, WE'RE A APART.
I MEAN, YOU SOMEWHERE ALL THESE, ALL THESE SCHOOLS, SEAFORD WAS THE LA THE LATEST SEAFORD COST US A TON OF MONEY.
UM, I MEAN, I'LL GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO, UH, QUEENS LAKE WHEN WE PUT THE SEWER PROJECTS IN QUEENS LAKE FOR OTHERS HAVE ALL COST US A LOT OF MONEY.
IT ALL COST US A LOT OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX.
ALL OF US COST A LOT OF MONEY.
SO EVENTUALLY THE THE, WE PAY OFF THESE LOANS.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT IF WE DO IT SMART, WE CARRY THE DEBT LOAD.
I MEAN THIS IS, WE, WE DON'T LET IT, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE KEEP PUSHING IT OFF INTO SOMETHING BEING I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I KNOW WE GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR ASSETS AND LET 'EM GET RUN DOWN.
UH, BUT IT'S JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF DEBT OVER THE NEXT FIVE, SIX YEARS GETTING A CREW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE EATING FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
UM, BUT I CAN'T AND I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT 15 YEARS.
AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, OTHERWISE WE CAN'T LET EVERYTHING FALL APART.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO BUILD AND WHAT MOVING FORWARD AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY, PRETTY CAREFUL.
I THINK WE'RE STILL BEING CAREFUL BECAUSE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE, I MEAN THAT'S GOOD.
WE'RE GOING AFTER PRIMARY PROJECTS.
SCHOOLS ARE PRIMARY PROJECT FOR US, YOU KNOW, TOOK US FOREVER.
IT TOOK US FOREVER TO GET TO FUND THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN HEARD IT THE OTHER NIGHT COMPLAINING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT A SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WELL THAT'S BULL AND WE KNOW IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE SHERIFF ARE REALLY IN TROUBLE.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS BUILDING, ALL THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS ARE OVER 50 YEARS.
AND, UH, AND BUYING A NEW ONE TO ME, THIS IS SO MUCH CHEAPER THAN BUYING A BRAND NEW SCHOOL IF WE HAD TO TEAR IT DOWN AND WE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS MOVING IN THAT AREA.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME COMING OFF OF THIS, UM, WITHOUT SOME REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS.
AND I THINK THE EFFICIENCY, IF WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER AND SAVE MONEY AND SAVE MONEY DOING IT, I'M ALL IN ON THAT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOME GUESSWORK HERE.
THERE'S ONLY, WE CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH INFORMATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I, THAT'S WHERE I AM WITH THIS.
I GOT, I GOTTA REALLY, I GOTTA HAVE SOME GOOD ARGUMENT NOT TO PROCEED WITH THAT WHOLE SCHOOL.
'CAUSE TAB HIGH SCHOOL IS JUST, I MEAN, IT'S DOWN IN OUR DISTRICT HERE AND IT'S A REALLY A PREMIER, IT'S A PREMIER SCHOOL THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO, TO UH, UM, TO MESS AROUND WITH.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TOO IS GONNA BE WAY BEYOND US.
IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE THIS THING'S DONE, IT'S GONNA BE LASTING LONG BEYOND US.
AND I BELIEVE WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO FOR 26 IS GO TO BE ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT,
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THE CLASSROOMS, THE ENTRANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF.THAT'S SO 19 MILLION, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE STUFF PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE AND APPRECIATE.
NOW, AS MUCH AS HVAC IS IMPORTANT, YOU DON'T GET TO WALK THROUGH THE HVAC FRONT DOOR.
YOU GOTTA GET, GET THROUGH, WALK THROUGH A NEW FRONT DOOR HERE.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE MOST IMPACTFUL THING.
AND I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF DOING THAT I WAS PROPOSING DOING OVER TIME.
BUT I THINK THE, THE BOARD IN GENERAL WANTS TO GET IT DONE QUESTION AND NOT KNOCK THAT SOONER.
SO SUSAN, IS THAT, CAN THEY JUST DO THOSE PARTS? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS TIED INTO THE WHOLE BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S TIED INTO THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT BUILDING.
CAN THEY DO JUST THAT PART? I MEAN, THAT'S A QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY CAN'T? WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY, IF THEY GET DELAYED A YEAR ON THE GEOTHERMAL, EVEN WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE? OKAY.
DOESN'T, IT'S NOT, IT WOULD BE STUPID TO, TO SAY, OH, WE'VE PUT THESE WELLS IN NOW WE GOTTA GO.
WELL, AND, AND IT COSTS US MILLIONS AND MILLIONS MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POINT WHERE WE CAN LET 'EM PROCEED.
BUT THE QUESTION IS WHY, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T PROCEED? OKAY.
AND WE HEARD ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT LEAKING ROOFS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
EVEN BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THEY SAID PEOPLE WERE GOING THERE YEARS AND YEARS AGO AND THE ROOFS WERE LEAKING.
WE WANT THE KIDS TO BE, WE WANT MINIMAL, MINIMAL IMPACT ON CHILDREN AND WE WANNA GET THE, AND BUILD OUR SCHOOLS AND MAKE THIS, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED PART OF OUR COUNTY AND, UM, WE NEED TO GET THIS THING DONE RIGHT.
SO I'M, I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND MAKE IT EFFICIENT.
AGREE WITH GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.
BUT BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THE LAST BIT THE MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY ANSWERED.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I, IN THE SKY, THIS NUT OVER HERE, THAT NUT OVER THERE, THIS BOLT UP HERE, THIS BOLT THERE THAT JUST, THAT JUST SCREWS UP EVERYTHING AND IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.
I, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THIS SUBJECT.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE, WE WELL, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I LIST.
THERE ARE THINGS, OUR LIST, WE BETTER GET THEM ON THE TABLE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABOUT HALF HOUR PAST OUR, UM, I'M PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT WITH CONTINUING, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
WELL, IT'S TURNING UNTIL PUMPKIN
NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE YOUR, YOU GET A HALF HOUR.
WOULD YOU AGREE TO ANOTHER HALF HOUR? WHAT OTHER ISSUES ARE GONNA COME UP THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT? I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHERIFF DEPUTIES.
WE, WE, WELL THAT TOO, BUT WE STILL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WE GOT SWITCHED BACK TO CAPITAL.
SO THE QUESTION WAS ON THE TABLE AND, AND I HEARD, UH, MR. HOL GIVE AN ANSWER, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE.
SO THE QUESTION AT HAND IS THE MILLION DOLLARS THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SCHOOLS, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL PENNY AVAILABLE.
IS IT THE BOARD'S DESIRE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOLS? WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S ADDITIONAL PENNY AVAILABLE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WE ADVERTISED A RATE 2 CENTS HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT I RECOMMENDED TO YOU.
IF YOU CHOSE TO USE IT, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT.
I WOULD USE IT ON DEPUTIES AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY AND STAFF.
I WOULD NOT ADD TO THE SCHOOL, BUT I, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE ON SALARIES FOR EACH OF THOSE THREE GROUPS.
WE KNOW WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING.
I'VE ALREADY ASKED YOU TO DO A MID-YEAR CORRECTION.
IF I'M ADDING AN EXTRA CENT, THAT'S WHERE I PUT IT.
AND I, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY ADD AN EXTRA CENT FOR THE CIP.
WELL, THINK SERIOUSLY, THINK ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKING DOWN TO THE FUTURE SO THAT WE DON'T GET OURSELVES IN A HOLE IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GOING FORWARD, ONE PENNY OF OUR TAX MONEY, OUR REAL ESTATE TAX MONEY TO GO INTO THE CIP.
SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH IN BORROWING MONEY.
WHEN WE GET ENOUGH BUSINESS TO GENERATE THAT EXTRA CENT, WE CAN PUT THAT EXTRA CENT TO THAT.
WELL, WE MAY, THE PROBLEM, THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE WITH THAT, SHEILA, IS THAT EVERY BOARD EVERY YEAR IS DIFFERENT.
I MEAN EVERY, EVERY ISSUE IS DIFFERENT.
SO WE'RE NOT THIS BOARD IS TO HAVE THIS BOARD COMMIT TO HELP'S GONNA PUT A PENNY OF THE TAX DOLLAR ONTO A CIP OH, TO ME IT TAKES, YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE CONCEPT OF US HAVING TO, TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND OUR MONEY ON.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SPENT IF WE GO INTO THE RESERVES TO BUILD UP THE RESERVES AND THEN THE MONEY WOULD GO INTO THE CIP IF WE COULD APPROVE IT.
BUT OUR RESERVES ARE NOT, NOT ANYWHERE WHERE THEY USED TO BE.
AND IT'S OUR RESERVES THAT WE HAVE TO, WHAT IS OUR RESERVE? WE HAVE TO PROTECT HOW SHORT, HOW SHORT
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ARE WE, WHERE WE, WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITH RESERVES? WELL, THE CIP RESERVE IS 11 MILLION NOW.UM, BUT WE ARE PLANNING TO USE 5.7 MILLION AND THE SHARE'S PLAN, WE'VE GOTTA BUILD UP 5.7 OVER TIME.
WELL, IT'S INCLUDED IN YOUR CIP PLAN.
THE CIP RESERVE IS ALLOCATED ACROSS DIFFERENT YEARS DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOING ON THAT PARTICULAR YEAR.
SO, WELL IF YOU GET TO, IF HE GETS SHORT, THEN IT, THEN IT BECOMES THE ISSUE OF PUTTING MONEY IN THE CIP AT THAT TIME.
I JUST WANNA, I DON'T SEE IT BEING AUTOMATIC OR NOT.
WELL, IT'S JUST LIKE THE MONEY THAT WE USE FOR THE SCHOOLS AND THE MONEY WE USE FOR THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF OUR, OUR BUDGET.
I JUST FEEL THAT WE OWE IT TO OUR CITIZENS TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE FOR LONGEVITY LIFE OF THE COUNTY.
WE COULD, FOR YEARS WE COULDN'T DO THAT.
I RAISED A LOT OF KATE ABOUT THAT.
WE WENT THROUGH, I WON'T SAY WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AND THINGS DETERIORATED.
WE'VE GOT BUILDINGS ALSO IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE OLD THAT NEED WORK.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING AHEAD FOR THE FUTURE.
WE'RE WE, WE'RE DOING BUDGET AFTER BUDGET AFTER BUDGET.
WE'RE NOT REALLY PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE COULD PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
WELL, WE GOT A SIX YEAR PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE MONEY PER SE.
WELL WE SHOULD PUT IT IN A CIP FOR NOT GOTTA PAY FOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH.
WELL SHOULD NOT BE IN A CIP UNLESS WE PLAN FOR IT.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOTTA PAY FOR IT.
I MEAN, IT, IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN THE CIP UNLESS YOU GONNA PAY FOR IT.
AND HOW MUCH HAVE WE CUT OUT OF THE CIP? BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PAY FOR IT THIS YEAR, IF YOU MAY.
THAT'S WELL THEN IT WAS BASED ON FACT DON'T ESTIMATED INCOME WAS GONNA BE HIGHER.
WHAT'S, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DO NOT HAVE THE INCOME FOR IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE PENNY TO GO TOWARDS THE CIP P WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE INCOME FOR THEN.
YES WE CAN BECAUSE WE CAN RAISE THAT ONE PENNY THAT THE DEBT FINANCING IF WE NEED TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN, THAT FINANCING IS, IS, IS COULD BE OUR DOWNFALL OF WE GET TOO MUCH DEBT FINANCING ENOUGH AS YOU GO.
WHY DON'T WE SET A STANDARD OF 10%? I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL SIT HERE AS A BOARD AND HAVE AGREED THAT WE AGREED ON WHAT OUR GOALS ARE.
WE OBJECTIVES AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
THEY GO OUT AND THEY, THEY, THEY LINE IT UP AND THEY COME IN AND THEN, AND WE SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS ONE OF THE BIG DISCUSSIONS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY, UH, A PERCENTAGE OF OUR DEBT THAT WE'RE GONNA CARRY.
AND WE SAID 10% WAS A GOOD NUMBER.
IF IT'S NOT A GOOD NUMBER, THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE IT.
SO, BUT I'M SAYING IF 10% IS GOOD, 10% IS GOOD.
BUT THE THE 10% IS, IS IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT WE WANNA CARRY IF, BUT IT'S BEEN MOVING UP AND UP AND UP AND I REALLY FEEL YOU ARE NOT LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE.
BUDGET FOR THE YEAR, BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT THE BUDGET PROCESS IS, IS NO, IT ISN'T YOU.
YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A TWO-WAY PROCESS.
YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO THINK FOR THE FUTURE AS WELL AS THE PRESENT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON ON HERE THAT DOESN'T THINK FOR THE FUTURE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ALL THAT CIP IS? THE CIP IS THE FUTURE.
IT SURE IS, BUT WE CUT THE CIP WE KEEP CUTTING THE CIP BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
I DISAGREE WITH, I'VE GIVEN YOU MY 2 CENTS WORTH.
GOT I DISAGREE WITH DOUG ON, ON
I WOULD PUT HALF A PENNY BECAUSE THE SHERIFF DOESN'T NEED ALL HIS DEPUTIES AT ONE TIME.
WELL, YOU GIVE HIM SOME NOW YOU LATER.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA NO, WE GOT OFF THE SCHOOLS WE'RE YEAH, WE, THAT'S WHERE, I'M SORRY.
I JUST THINK SO DOUG, I I'M OKAY.
OUR TEACHERS ARE UNDERFUNDED, GROSSLY UNDERFUNDED.
OUR, OUR FIRE, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S UNDERFUNDED AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE GROSSLY UNDERFUNDED.
THE POINT IS, IS THAT NOT A PRIORITY FOR THIS, FOR THE BOARD? YES.
IT'S, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE APPROVED IT.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THANK YOU'S TALK TO ABOUT THIS.
LET ME COME OVER THAT TABLE AFTER YEAR IN A MINUTE.
SO ANYWAY, IS THE POINT IS, SO IF WE HAVE A PENNY OR TWO, OKAY.
'CAUSE WE CAN GO UP TO 6 CENTS AT LEAST.
RIGHT? DROP TWO OR 3 CENTS OFF.
UH, WELL, I MEAN IF WE HAD TO LOOK AT PROJECTS, WE, YOU KNOW, SERIOUSLY, IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PROJECTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TAKE OUT.
'CAUSE I GUARANTEE THERE'S THINGS IN THAT CIP RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND.
I I GUARANTEE THERE'S THINGS IN THERE WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND.
I DON'T CARE HOW MANY MILLIONS YOU PUT IN THERE, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA FUND IT.
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THEN IF YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP THINGS LIKE YOUR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUND THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO, THEN EITHER, EITHER YOU WE'RE DOING POLITICS OR WE'RE NOT TAKING, OR WE'RE NOT DOING THE COUNTY.AND WHEN YOU TALK TAX, IF YOU JUST TALK TAX RATE, THEN YOU'RE TALKING POLITICS.
IF YOU'RE TALKING THE PROJECTS IN THERE THAT NEED TO GET DONE TO MAKE THIS COUNTY WORK, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET.
SO MY CONCERN IS, MY BIG CONCERN IS, IS THE SALARIES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
I MEAN THAT IS, WELL NOT MY NUMBER ONE.
MY NUMBER ONE IS ACTUALLY THE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW IS THE SCHOOL.
BUT I HEARD, I HEARD THE SHERIFF AND I AGREE THAT HE NEEDS, HE NEEDS THE DEPUTIES.
'CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THREE TRAFFIC COPS AND HE WANTS A COUPLE MORE AND HE NEEDS SOMETHING FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
BUT DOES HE NEED IT ALL AT ONCE? AND IF WE CAN KIND OF SPREAD A LITTLE THIS, SPREAD THIS, THIS ONE PENNY OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WELL, SPEAKING OF DO THAT ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF, IF HE DOES THE 15 MAN SHIFTS ACROSS, SO THAT'S FOUR.
THE COURT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE ADDED A JUDGE MM-HMM
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT EVEN A DEBATABLE ISSUE.
BUT IF HE PUTS ALL FOUR IN, HE IS GUARANTEED THAT HE WILL BRING BACK TO US $500,000 A YEAR IN OVERTIME.
OVERTIME IS WHAT HE'S TALKING.
HE'S BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE GETTING THOSE FOUR DEPUTIES FOR ABOVE $300,000.
SO WE GIVE HIM, WE GIVE HIM, WE TAKE A PENNY.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH A DEPUTY WAS.
BUT HE'S DROPPING HIS OVERTIME BY HALF A MILLION.
OH, WELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NET.
BUT THE CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WITH HIM, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE CONVERSATION I'VE WITH HIM IS THAT THAT OVERTIME REDUCTION WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE ON STAFF.
HE'S GOTTA HAVE MORE STAFF AND THEY'RE ALL CONTRIBUTING AND TRAINED UP ON THE ROAD DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO THAT WON'T BE ON JULY ONE WHEN WE GIVE HIM THE MONEY, IT'S AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.
AND IT MIGHT TAKE THE WHOLE YEAR TO REALIZE THAT MONEY.
MATTER OF FACT, YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT SAVINGS UNTIL 27.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 27.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT, HE HAS MADE THAT, HE HAS MADE THAT COMMENT.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE EATING OVERTIME COSTS.
I I THINK OVERTIME'S CAUSED HIM TO WAY TOO MUCH.
RIGHT? SO, SO WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE FIREFIGHTER? IT WAS ALL FOR TWO AND TWO UNTIL HE GAVE ME THAT ARGUMENT AROUND THE OVERTIME.
THE OVERTIME IS REALLY, I CAN, I CAN EXPENSIVE.
I CAN CUT YOUR COST IN HALF BY DOING ALL FOUR AT ONCE.
SO I COULDN'T WANNA GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENT THOUGH.
WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS? WELL, I, I BELIEVE YES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING.
I, I WANT STAFF TO COME BACK MIDYEAR CORRECTION ON SALARIES AND TELL US WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE $5,000 MINIMUM, UH, UNDERPAID RELATIVE TO OUR COMPETITION.
SO YOU CAN DO THAT IN MIDTERM, MIDYEAR.
OKAY, WELL YOU NEED TO DO THAT PROBABLY FOR THE WHOLE STAFF.
AND, AND THE SCHOOL NEED TO DO THAT TOO? NO.
I'M, I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT.
SO WE TALKING ABOUT TWO MORE CENTS.
SO WHEN I ASKED MARK YESTERDAY, DO WE NEED TO BUILD INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT MID-YEAR CORRECTION? HE SAID THE 4 CENT INCREASE WILL WORK.
PARTIALLY BECAUSE NEXT YEAR'S ASSESSMENTS COME IN, IN, IN DECEMBER, JANUARY AND THEY'RE ON A CALENDAR YEAR, NOT A FISCAL YEAR.
SO THERE IS ARE GETTING ADVANTAGE.
SO THERE IS, IF THE TAX RATE GETS APPROVED AT 4 CENTS.
AT 4 CENTS, OKAY, THERE WILL, BECAUSE THE TAX IS BILLED ON A CALENDAR YEAR, NOT ON THE FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S ONE TIME MONEY THAT WILL COME THAT WILL COME TO THE COUNTY.
SO THERE YOU WANNA ADD, YOU TALKING ABOUT JUNE LOOK LIKE YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING.
SO DO, IT'S A ONE TIME, IT'S ONE YEAR, BUT ONE YEAR.
BUT IT'LL BE EVERY TWO YEARS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE THE REASSESSMENT.
NOW IT COULD GO UP OR IT COULD GO DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY IT'S GONNA GO.
YEAH, WE DON'T, I WANNA PUT MONEY ON IT.
BRING DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA GO.
SO IF YOU DO DO 4 CENTS, THAT 4 CENT WILL GO INTO THE JUNE BILL.
IT'LL HIT THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE'RE IN, WHICH MEANS WE'LL HAVE MORE REVENUE RETROACTIVE BACK TO JANUARY.
SO JUNE, THAT'S WHERE THE EXTRA MONEY COMES.
SO I, I CAUTION YOU TO SPEND ONE TIME MONEY ON ONGOING EXPENSES.
SO REMEMBER THAT IF WE DO SPEND IT TO DO IT HALF YEAR NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO
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MAKE THAT UP IN 20 SECONDS.THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK SAID YOU NEED TO GO TO THE FIVE FIVE SENATE.
SO CUSHION SOME YOU HAVE TO FUND THE FULL YEAR, THE YES.
THAT, THAT WHATEVER INCREASE YOU HAVE, THAT'S HALF CENTS ON THE TAX RATE.
IT'S A HALF CENTS FOR THE DEPUTIES, IT NEEDS TO BE A PENNY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA IZE THAT HALF, THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS HE HAS TO.
SO IT NEEDS TO PENNY BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY GENERATING ABOUT 20 TO $24,000 PER PAY PERIOD TODAY BASED ON THE CHANGES HE'S ALREADY MADE.
I, NO, I THINK I'LL TAKE YOU TO LUNCH IF IT WORKS OUT.
HOW ABOUT THAT? NO, I THINK WE NEED TO, HALF IS RIDICULOUS AMOUNT TO DO YOU TALKING TO GO FOR 78.
HIS INTENTIONS ARE CORRECT ABOUT GOING RIGHT NOW TO 78 CENTS ON THE REAL ESTATE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO 79.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT THERE.
THERE'S YOUR, THERE'S THE POINT OF CONTENTION.
I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE.
I MEAN, HAVE Y'ALL, DID YOU, THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
THESE TWO GAPS COMES TO 6.4 MILLION.
WELL, LEMME TELL YOU WHAT THAT IS.
I WANT, I'VE ASKED THAT QUESTION.
IS THAT THE SAME THING YOU AND I LOOKED AT? YEAH.
SO YOU, YOU RECALL ON THAT IN MARCH 18TH PRESENTATION, THE FIRST THING WE SHOWED YOU WAS THE INITIAL REVENUE ESTIMATE.
SO THERE WAS GONNA, THERE IS SOME INCREASE THAT WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE IN REAL ESTATE AND IN PERSONAL PROPERTY.
THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE OTHER SLIDE ABOUT THE TAX RATE INCREASE IS JUST THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN REVENUE RELATED TO THE INCREASE IN THE 4 CENTS AND THE 20 CENTS FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO YOU TAKE THAT FOR THE NEW REVENUE AND ADD IT TO WHAT WE ALREADY WERE EXPECTING IN GROWTH ANYWAY.
SO IF YOU GO BACK A FEW SLIDES, I CAN SHOW THAT TO YOU.
AND THOSE TWO NUMBERS WILL ADD TO THE, TO THE INCREASE IN REVENUE FOR THE YEAR.
I THINK YOU, SO THE 6.2 IS NOW 7.7.
KNOW WHERE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM IF YOU DON'T LET, LET ME FLAG THE TABLE FOR YOU.
MADE THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE DEPUTIES.
WE ON A $30,000, YOU'RE A 30,000 COMPANY WHERE HAVE PERMANENT STRUCTURE OVER THE STATES DON'T NEED THAT NEXT YEAR.
IT WASN'T AS THE LAST MEETING.
THAT'S THE INITIAL REVENUE GROWTH.
I HAVE TO LOOK BACK, BUT, OKAY.
NOW IF YOU STILL WANT DO IT, I CAN SHOW YOU BACK ONE, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON TOURISM MONEY, BUT THAT FREES UP 330,000 EITHER WAY.
I THINK SO WHAT ELSE? WHAT ABOUT THAT PERMANENT STRUCTURE BEHIND THE RATE SHIFT? THREE QUARTERS OF MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT STUFF WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.
I MEANT HE ASKED FOR WHAT ELSE.
WE'RE FINE WITH HAVING IT, BUT ALLOW US TO AT LEAST PREPARE.
WE DON'T, I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT DOCUMENT SITTING IN FRONT OF ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE CUTTING OFF.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TALKING SUPERVISOR.
I I LOOKED AT SOME SUPERVISORS.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN MISSING.
THE SUPERVISORS HAD A CHANCE TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB OF GIVING US ALL THE NUMBERS.
WE MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION, THEN YOU CAN GO FIND THE ANSWER, FIND THE DATA.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE SUPERVISORS TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO DO.
UNTIL, UNTIL STEVE JUST SAID HE COULDN'T GO UP ANOTHER PENNY ON THE BUDGET ON THE TAXES.
AND DWAYNE JUST, DWAYNE SAID HE COULDN'T DO THE EVEN THE THE 4 CENTS.
THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT.
SO NOW WE GOT, WE GOTTA HAVE A DISCUSSION OF JUST HOW TO EVEN GET TO WHERE WE ARE.
AND YOU WANNA SUPPORT THE COPS.
GETTING THAT MONEY BACK ON THAT.
BUT WE GOTTA, YOU CAN'T DO IT ON ONE TIME MONEY.
SO YOU'VE GOTTA COME UP, WE'VE GOTTA COME UP WITH RECURRING FUNDS.
THAT'S NO, THE ONE TIME MONEY WAS, UH, AT MIDYEAR CORRECTION ON SALARIES IF WE NEEDED TO MAKE ONE.
BUT WE BUT YOU GOTTA STILL PAY FOR THE COPS, RIGHT? YOU GET 'EM ON BOARD, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR 'EM AND THAT'S A CONTINUOUS FEE.
AND SO WE CAN'T ONE TIME MONEY JUST NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO, IF WE'RE GONNA FUND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH HIS, HIS UH, FIVE PEOPLE AND I, AND THEY, AND EVEN THAT COURT, THAT NEW COURT WE'VE BUILT OR THE COURT THAT'S COMING ON BOARD, WE HAVEN'T PUT A DEPUTY IN THERE FOR THAT.
HE WOULD'VE TO TAKE IT OFF SOME, HE WOULD'VE TO DO IT OFF HIS CURRENT STAFF.
BUT THAT WOULD BE HIS CURRENT STAFF.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T GOT IT IN THE BUDGET UNIT.
BUT UNLESS YOU HIT IT SOMEWHERE AS DEPUTY FOR THE NEW COURT, WE HAVEN'T.
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COME UP WITH A DEPUTY, A NEW, IF AT LEAST ONE DEPUTY, IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE GOTTA DO THIS, WHICH I THINK WE DO, YOU GOTTA COME OVER RECURRING FUNDS.HE SAID A DEPUTY IN THE PORT IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO I ASKED STEVE NEED, I SAID STEVE, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH ANOTHER PENNY.
WHERE ARE WE COMING? WHERE'S IT GETTING THE MONEY FROM? THAT'S RIGHT.
IF WE'RE NOT GONNA RAISE THE TAX, WHERE GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE THROWING STUFF OUT THERE.
TAKE OUT THE STAGE, TAKE OUT THE WELL AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING? YOU UM, BUT THE STAGES ISN'T THAT ONE TIME MONEY MM-HMM
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA COVER THE SHERIFF.
NO ONE TIME MONEY IS NOT GONNA COVER THE DEPUTIES.
AND DEPENDING ON WHERE IT COMES FROM, IT MAY NOT HELP YOU AT ALL IN THE BUDGET.
'CAUSE IF IT'S DEBT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON 26, I THOUGHT.
YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT WE TALKED LAST MEETING THAT THAT THREE, THAT STAGE AREA WAS, WAS CASH FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
IS IT COMING FROM TOURISM MONEY? NOT MOVING IT TO THE TOURISM.
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT TOURISM MONEY.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT AS IT OPPOSED, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT COMING FROM TOURISM, BUT WHERE IT IS IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, IT'S, CAN IT COME FROM TOURISM THOSE THINGS AND WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OUR OBLIGATION ON TOURISM FUND FOR THE YES, YES SIR.
SO IF WE GOTTA FIND, IF YOU WANNA DO THE SHERIFF, THEN WE GOTTA COME UP WITH, UM, ALMOST A PENNY ON RECURRING FUNDS.
AND I DON'T AGREE THAT IT'S 900,000 BECAUSE HE IS CUTTING OVERTIME TODAY.
SO LET US, IF WE COULD BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU ON THAT, PLEASE.
UM, AND WE, AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THAT, HOW LONG IT TAKES TO REALIZE THAT OVERTIME SAVINGS.
A LOT OF STEVEN AND I SPENT AN HOUR DRILLING ON THAT HAD HAD A GOOD SANDWICH AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, SO I I THINK IT'S A HALF CENT.
SO WE YOU GOTTA FIND, DON'T TAKE IT OUT, TAKE IT OUTTA SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT IT'S A RECURRING HALF CENT OR WELL A HALF.
WE PREPARED TO ADD A HALF A CENT BASED ON, BUT I WAS AT THREE AND A HALF TO BEGIN WITH.
I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT.
NO, YOU TOLD ME FOUR AND A HALF NOW I'M BACK TO FOUR.
WELL I THINK YOU SHOULD GO, GO UP ONE MORE PENNY.
I'VE BEEN AT THREE AND A HALF ALL IN LAW.
BUT I WILL COMMIT TO DOING THE DEPUTIES AND THAT'S ANOTHER PENNY.
BUT YOU GOTTA TAKE IT OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET.
WE GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT TO GET THAT FOUR IN YOU.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING THE DEPUTIES.
WELL SOMEWHERE IN THAT PILE GOTTA COME UP WITH MONEY.
WE ALSO, BUT IT'S NOT ONLY THE DEPUTIES.
WE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT, AT THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PEOPLE.
I'M NOT ADDING, I'M NOT ADDING PEOPLE THERE.
NO, BUT THERE'S TRAINING THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR FOR, UM, THAT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THE BUDGETS ALREADY.
SHERIFF THE BUDGET? NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
THAT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THE BUDGET.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL BUDGET.
YOU CAN DO MAGIC WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET.
SO, SO, UH, YOU NEED A CUSHION.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I GOT, STEVE, IS IF, UH, SO THESE UNDER YOU OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT IT THAT THAT 325,000 IS NOT GONNA DO US ANY GOOD.
WHERE CAN WE TO IT? WAYNE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, WHAT, WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU LOOKING AT HERE? YOU THINK THAT WILL MEET YOUR OBLIGATIONS IN THE COUNTY? YOU SAID YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH 4 CENTS.
UM, I THINK WE CAN STILL LOOK FOR CUTS.
AND WE JUST NEED TO TRIM OUR FAT AND WE NEED TO TRIM OUR NUMBERS AND WE, IF WE HAD TO PUSH STUFF DOWN THE ROAD, WE'LL PUSH IT.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK WHAT WE DID IS WE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO 5 CENTS.
WE TOOK 4 CENTS LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE HIGH, UM, OR THREE LAST YEAR.
AND NOW WE'RE GONNA BUMP IT UP FOUR.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE OR SIX.
I DON'T, I'M JUST FLABBERGASTED.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU CUT IT SO MUCH LAST YEAR THAT WE'RE IN A BIND THAT WE NEED TO RAISE IT.
THE MORE YOU SPEND, THE MORE YOU WANT.
IT ALWAYS WORKS THAT WAY, THAT WAY EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE WASTING MONEY BY SPENDING MONEY.
I THINK WE'RE, THE MORE MONEY THAT YOU CAN PUT UP FRONT TO PAY FOR IT, THE LESS YOU HAVE TO BORROW.
YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE WHOLE THING.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PAY OUR FARM AND LIFE SAFETY.
WE HAVE TO PAY OUR SHERIFFS, WE HAVE TO ADD DEPUTIES.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO AND YOU JUST CAN'T HOLD THE BUDGET LINES THAT OH, OKAY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA RAISE THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
THAT'S WHY WE ALL HAVE A VOTE.
SO YOU VOTE YOUR WAY AND I'LL VOTE MINE, BUT I YEAH, BUT I WANT, I'LL DO IT BECAUSE WE VOTE THE ENTIRE BUDGET THOUGH.
I WANT, I'M TALKING, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE, I MEAN IF YOU'RE GONNA TALK, I'M, I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.
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I'M WILLING TO DO MOVE.I JUST GOTTA KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
IF I, I MEAN, I JUST, JUST DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT A NUMBER OF BUDGET NUMBER.
TALK TO ME ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE DONE OR NOT DONE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M MORE INTERESTED IN.
AND I'LL LET THE, LET THE BUDGET TURN OUT THE WAY IT IS.
THE DOLLAR OR TAX DOLLAR TURNED OUT THE WAY IT IS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MILITARY, I HATE JESUS, THE MILITARY.
WE ALWAYS SAID YOU WANNA BUILD A DON'T GIMME THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH.
YOU WANT AN ARMY DO SOMETHING, TELL ME WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH IT.
YOU WANT AN ARMY TO DO SOMETHING UNDERST AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THE ARMY IS AND THEN I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT'S HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
AND SO THE BUDGET I'M EXPECTING FROM THE COUNTY HAVE EXPECT FROM SUPERVISORS JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND THEN FROM THAT WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED, WHAT IT COSTS.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S GIVEN US A, HE'S GIVEN US HIS BUDGET 4 CENTS.
AND I'VE SAYING I'LL MEET THE 4 CENTS, BUT TO INCLUDE MY DEPUTIES.
YOU GOTTA FIND THE MONEY FOR, AND I SAY, I THINK WE COULD HAVE TRIMMED TO THREE AND A HALF HAD WE NOT ADDED THE DEPUTIES.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU NEED, YOU NEED A, YOU NEED HALF A PENNY.
SO THAT YOU NEED, UM, $650,000, 40 HALF CENTS.
SIX AND A HALF THOUSAND DOLLARS.
TO GET US BACK TO, TO GET US TO KEEP US AT FOUR.
SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S, WELL I CAN GUARANTEE YOU HIT A NERVE WITH ME.
I'M OKAY
REMEMBER YOU'RE CUTTING CAPITAL MONEY.
DON'T, DON'T GET, DON'T GET NERVOUS.
BUT, SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF, THINK ABOUT IT.
I GUESS WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I VERY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK PART BREACH AN AREA WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT MORE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANYTHING MORE TO DISCUSS, DO WE? THAT'S UP TO YOU AFTER, WELL THEN WE SAID SOMETHING, LAST SLIDE.
AND NOW LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
WE DID WANT TO COME BACK TO BRIAN ON THE MODEL COSTS.
LET'S, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS BAD IN, YOU KNOW, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE CONTRACT CORRECTLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD 70%.
I'M WAITING TO GET, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN WORD BACK FROM CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND OR JAMES CITY COUNTY.
LIKE I SAID IN THE EMAIL, THEIR COST, I THINK JAMES CITY COUNTY'S GONE UP 75% IN THE CONTRACT AND NEWPORT IS AND NEW NEWS'S A HUNDRED AND THEN WILLIAMSBURG 65%.
BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL ROUTES.
AND THE WAY THE FEDERAL FUNDING COMES IN FOR THAT AND THE STATE FUNDING IS WHEN YOU INCREASE THE ROUTES, THEY DON'T PICK UP ANY COST UNTIL TWO YEARS IN, I GUESS ESPECIALLY THE RIGHTS WORK.
AND WE'VE INCREASED THE FREQUENCY OF THE ROUTES.
SO IF WE WERE TO NOT FUND THAT AT 10%, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDUCE, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO MATT.
YOU KNOW, THE ONLY WAY TO TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO CUT COST.
THE CONTRACT IS, I REMEMBERED IT AND I IT KICKED IN WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED RIGHT BEFORE I CAME ON THE BOARD.
THERE WAS A WRITER IN THERE THAT SAID, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE COSTS, IT GETS CAPPED AT 10% PER COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHERE, UM, I'M TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM BOYS.
THE OTHER TWO WILLING TO GO UP A HUNDRED PERCENT OR 70 OR 80, 90%.
IT'S AN AWFULLY BIG BILL TO SWALLOW IN ONE YEAR, BUT IT, IT WILL COME DOWN IN TWO YEARS.
SO THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE WAY THAT FEDERAL FUNDING WORKS.
IT ALL, IT SHOWS PEAKS AND VALLEYS BECAUSE DON'T DOES FEDERAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW, BUT IT DOES.
NOBODY EVER TRUST THAT IT DOES PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG AREA, THE BRUTON AREA, ALL THE WAY IN DOWN TO LACKEY.
SO IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND, THEN I COULD SEE THEM CUTTING OUT, GET TO A 30 MINUTE, UH, CYCLE.
WELL THEN THAT'S, WE WENT THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF GETTING IT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM ESTABLISHED.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE RIDERSHIP.
IF YOU DON'T, IF IT'S NOT RELIABLE, IF IT'S NOT FREQUENT, YOU KNOW, IF IT ONLY COMES EVERY HOUR, THEN I HAVE TO BE AT THE BUS STOP THREE HOURS BEFORE MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THAT HOUR, YOU KNOW, THAT HOUR TURNAROUND.
'CAUSE I CAN'T MISS THAT BUS THEN.
AND THEN IT DOESN'T SERVE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT MOST.
SO, BUT I'M, I'M WAITING ON THOSE ANSWERS.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THEM BACK YET.
SO EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, UH, WAS EMPLOYEES GO UP 4% AND $500.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
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WITH THE PROVISION THAT YOU COME BACK TO US BY MIDYEAR ON, IS THAT SUFFICIENT? YEAH.COME BACK ON WHAT COME BACK MIDYEAR WITH A, WITH AN ANALYSIS OF ARE WE PAYING ENOUGH AND DOES IT NEED TO GO FURTHER? I THINK YEAH.
THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE.
SO THE PURPOSE OF PROPERTY TAX RATE RECOMMENDATION WAS BACK TO BEFORE.
AND THE EXPECTATION IS STILL YES.
IS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL PAY EVEN LESS THAN THEY PAID LAST YEAR AT THE, AT THE REDUCED RATE BECAUSE THE VALUES OF COST, THE VALUE OF THE CARS WENT DOWN.
AND SO Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE REAL ESTATE RATE.
I DIDN'T HEAR A, I DIDN'T HEAR A CONCLUSION, BUT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE REAL ESTATE RATE.
SO UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING STILL DISCUSSING IT, I GUESS IT APPEARS I'VE STILL BEEN DISCUSSED.
UNLESS YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT SOME MORE, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT SOME MORE? YEAH, I MORE SLIDES.
I'M CHEW ON IT FOR A WHILE AND YOU THINK, WHAT'S REASONABLE? LUCKY YOU, ME, RIGHT.
ONE, ONE THING I I WANTED TO TELL YOU GUYS SOMETHING.
UM, I'VE HEARD THE DISCUSSIONS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ROADS.
UM, AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS.
YOU CAN, I GET ROADS, TRANSPORTATION, ROADS.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PRIMARY SECONDARY ROADS OR ANY ROADS.
BUT I MEAN, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT SEAFORD, SOME PASSING EMAIL I READ, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HEAR FROM ME ALL THE TIME ABOUT VICTORY BOULEVARD, UH, 17.
YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT AND SOME OTHER, SOME, SOME OTHER ROADS, UH, UP THERE IN YOUR DISTRICT, WHATEVER, THE STATE WILL PUT NO MONEY, NONE ZIPPO AGAINST A PROJECT THAT IS NOT IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
OKAY? AND THE ONLY WAY YOU GET IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A, UM, UH, THE THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND WHAT THE COUNTY SUBMITS PROJECTS.
OKAY? AND IT GOES INTO BASICALLY THE TPO IS WHAT IT DOES.
AND THEN THE TPO TAKES ALL THESE PLANS AND THERE'S A, THEY'RE SCALES AND THEY'RE MEASURES AND, AND THEY V EVEN BEFORE THAT, VDI GOES OUT AND THEY DO THIS.
THEY GO, THEY DRAG THIS THING ACROSS THE ROAD AND THEY, AND THEY LOOK AT THE CRACKS AND HOW DEEP THEY ARE.
AND, UH, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THIS AND, AND THEN THEY, THEY DO THINGS LIKE WHAT'S THE CONGESTION? HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS, THEY PUT THE STRIPS OUT, THEY GOT COUNTERS OUT THERE.
THEY LOOK AT THE SHOULDERS, THEY DO EVERYTHING.
AND, AND, UM, AND THEY LOOK AT RED LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THERE'S VARIOUS PROGRAMS. ONE OF 'EM IS CALLED SMART SCALE.
AND UH, THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY PUT A LITTLE MONEY ASIDE FOR, FOR, FOR EVERY, UH, VDOT DISTRICT.
UH, THE ONE THAT WE ARE IN IS AT THE WILLIAMSBURG OFFICE.
IT RUNS FROM RICHMOND, CHESAPEAKE, ALL THE WAY DOWN OVER TO CHESAPEAKE.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE VIRGINIA, WELL, VIRGINIA BEACH MAY BE, NO, IT'S NOT IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
BUT, BUT THE THING IS, IF IT'S NOT IN THAT PLAN, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH WE JUMP UP AND DOWN, IT'S, IT, IT, THE ONLY WAY YOU GET IT IS PROBABLY THE, THE, THE WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE ON, ON, ON EITHER THE SENATE OR THE THE HOUSE.
UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PERSONALLY GET ENGAGED AND BARRY KNIGHT DID THIS MM-HMM
AND, AND HE DID IT FOR THE GAP.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET ON.
SO NOW, IF YOU'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH A ROAD, OKAY, YOU GOTTA TALK TO MARK AND LET MARK THEN OUR, WHOEVER, OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO THE TTAC, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS ANYMORE.
THEN CAITLIN WILL TAKE IT TO THE TTAC, WHICH IS A SUBSET OF, UH, THE TPO.
AND THEY GET IN THERE AND THEY THEN ARGUE ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
OKAY? AND THEY, AND THEY RATE 'EM AND THEY GET 'EM ALL RIGHT? AND THERE'S 600, 700 PROJECTS AND WE COMPETE AGAINST, UM, VIRGINIA, I MEAN THOSE ALL THE, WE COMPETE ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES, BUT V DOT'S GOT A LITTLE PILE OF MONEY AND THEY TAKE THAT AND THAT'S HOW THEY DISH IT OUT.
THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS, EVEN SMART SCALES AS A, UM, WHAT IS IT? COST SHARING.
UH, THEY EVEN COME IN WITH A STUPID SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAM IN HERE, WHICH IS, AND YOU GET CMAX, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE PROGRAMS. BUT IF YOU DON'T GET ON THE PLAN, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY FUNDING FROM THE STATE.
SO IF YOU GOT A PROJECT, BRING IT TO MARK, MARK WILL PUT IT IN THE TTAC AND THEN I'LL HEAR ABOUT IT AT THE, AT THE, WHEN IT COMES UP.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY DO ALL THEIR RATINGS AND STUFF AND THEN THEY MAKE A PROPOSAL AND, AND THEN WE DEBATE THE ISSUES.
WHICH ONES ARE CURRENTLY IN SMART SCALE THOUGH?
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AND RIGHT NOW WE GOT FEED.I MEAN WE GOT, UM, WE GOT PART OF 1717 AND THEN WE GOT PART OF VICTORY BOULEVARD.
BUT MARK, JUST, MARK JUST HEARD FROM VDOT, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WANT $4 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S A REVENUE MARK JUST SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE BUDGET, GUYS.
THIS IS A REVENUE SHARING THING.
THAT'S WHY I WANNA INCREASE IT.
SO, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S EASY, BECAUSE IT'S EASY FOR RICHMOND TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS AND SAY, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES FOR VIRGINIAS AND PUSH THAT BACK DOWN AND HAVE THE LOCALITY TO MAKE.
I'M NOT ARGUING YOU WITH THAT.
SO I THINK HE ASK FOR $4 MILLION ON THE ONE, TAKE IT BACK TO RICHMOND TO GET THE MONEY FROM THERE.
MONEY NOT FROM US, BUT, BUT IT'S OUR ROADS.
AND IF THEY DON'T COME UP WITH THE MONEY DOESN, THEN WE PAY TAXES FOR THEM TO TAKE CARE OF.
IT'S NOT OUR ROADS, IT'S THE STATE ROADS.
I KNOW STATE ROAD, STATE ROAD.
THE MONEY COMES FROM US AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS VERY, THEY'RE TRYING TO BE POLITE AND POLITICAL.
IT'S VOLITION, DEVOLUTION, HOWEVER YOU SAY THE WORD.
WELL, SADLY, SADLY, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.
THAT'S, UH, JUST IN A NUTSHELL, IF WE DON'T GET IT ON THE PROGRAM, IF WE DON'T GET IT IN THE, THE VDOT PLAN THAT WE ACTUALLY PROVE IN OUR AREA, WE DON'T GET IT IN THERE.
AND I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS LIKE UNBELIEVABLE HOW HARD IT IS TO DO THIS.
I'VE BEEN FOR 20 SOME YEARS, WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING OVER 17 IN VICTORY BOULEVARD AND WE'RE GETTING ONE 10TH OF A MILE, ONE LANE.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE GETTING IN SMART SCALE RIGHT NOW.
THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THEY'LL COME BACK AND THEY'LL TELL THE COUNTY VDOT WILL CALL UP AND THE ROSSI CARROLL WILL SAY, HEY, LOOK MAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, WE'RE SHORT $4 MILLION OR $3 MILLION.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET THE PROJECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
AND THEY PILE, THEY PUT A PILE OF MONEY AGAINST IT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA SAY YOUR SHARES NOW COST AND WHAT DRIVES THE COST UP, MATERIAL, LABOR, ALL THAT.
SO ANYWAY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THAT.
C IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU, CALL ME AND I'LL, AND I'LL, I'LL TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK SOMETHING, BUT CALL ME IF I HAVE TO, THEN I CAN, BECAUSE I'LL TALK TO MARK AND WE CAN WORK IT.
BUT MARK'S YOUR PRIMARY MS. SNOW.
O OFF, OFF BUDGET THAT I NEED THE BOARD'S CONCURRENCE ON SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD ON SOME BUSINESS PIVOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING AROUND.
SO SUSAN AND BRIAN AND I HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF INTERVIEWS HERE LATELY.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ASSESSOR CANDIDATE FINALLY THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
THEY HAVE THE TECHNICAL BACKGROUND FOR IT.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH IS THAT I MOVE AHEAD AND MAKE A OFFER TO THE ASSESSOR.
WHAT'S THE SALARY? WELL, WE HAVEN'T NEGOTIATED THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING ON THIS GUY, A GAL, WHOEVER IT IS.
DID YOU WANT SOMETHING? WELL, THIS IS WHAT, THERE ARE ONLY THREE POSITIONS WE HIRE AND NIGHT.
IF I WANNA BE ACCUSED OF HIRING SOMEBODY, I'D LIKE TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
UH, THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD NOW THAT YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED, HOW BE INVOLVED? IT'S JUST, LET ME READ SOMETHING.
NO, I GOT NO CLUE ABOUT THE PERSON.
I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, BUT I STILL WANT TO KNOW SO ABOUT THE PERSON.
WELL, DON'T WE NORMALLY GET IT AFTER WHAT HE DOES IT, THEN HE DOESN'T.
THEN HE, THEN HE EXPLAINS TO US THAT THE PERSON IS, YOU'LL WANT TO KNOW.
WE'LL THE ASSESSOR'S DIFFERENT THOUGH.
IT, IT'S ONE OF THE THREE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR AS THE BOARD.
SO ONE THING, YOU KNOW, AS WE FOUND WITH ALL OF THESE POSITIONS IS TIMING US THE ESSENCE.
AND IF YOU WAIT FOR OFFERS, WE'VE LOST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CANDIDATES RECENTLY WHEN WE DELAY A WEEK OR EVEN WHEN WE OFFER THEM POSITIONS, JUST CALL ME, TELL ME, DON'T CARE.
WELL, I, I NEED TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS FROM THE BOARD.
SO I WANT TO KNOW JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE INFORMATION, BUT I'M NOT WAITING RIGHT ON THAT HOLD DIRECTIONS.
THEY ALWAYS GIVE US THE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE WE, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE PERSON.
IT'S YOU OKAY WITH THIS? YEAH.
BUT I, I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE SURE.
I MEAN GIVEN WHAT THEY DO, I DON'T WANNA COME IN BLIND EITHER.
SO, BUT YOU WANNA KNOW IS THE BACKGROUND, IS THE PERSON WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, UH, MULTI DEGREES? NO.
ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD? ANY MORE DISCUSSION YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? I'M HUNGRY.
IF THAT, IF THAT IS THE CASE, I GONNA GATHER THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED UNTIL
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THE NEXT ONE.