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[Call to Order]
EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THE APRIL 1ST.
APRIL FOOL TODAY WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
[1* Proposed Fiscal Year 2026 Budget. Community Support Line Items: Dr. Walter Akers - Community Services Grants Advisory Committee. Compensation and Benefits: Rose McKinney - Director of Human Resources. ]
THE WORK ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT.AND ONE OF THEM WILL BE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT LINE ITEMS. AND DR.
WALT ACRES, WHO IS HEAD OF THE COMMITTEE AND IS HEAD OF, BEEN HEAD OF THE COMMITTEES SINCE ITS INCEPTION, IS GOING TO TALK TO US AND EXPLAIN TO US HOW MUCH THEY GAVE AWAY TO EACH OF THE PLACES THAT APPLY DONATED, DONATE, RECOMMENDED, RECOMMEND.
OH, WELL, HE'S GONNA TELL US HOW MUCH.
AND THEN WE WILL DECIDE IF WE WISH TO GIVE IT.
UM, OH, JUST TO PUT IT ON THERE IF, IF YOU WOULD.
I WAS SURPRISED YOU GUYS JUMPED RIGHT INTO IT.
USUALLY THERE'S SOME MORE FALL TO RAW AT THE BEGINNING, BUT IT'S LOVELY TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
AND I'M HAPPY TO BE BACK THIS YEAR.
UM, THIS YEAR'S COMMITTEE, UH, WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PEOPLE AS LAST YEAR EXCEPT FOR DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, DAVID ALLEN'S BEEN WITH US FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
UH, HE MOVED OUT OF THE DISTRICT AND HE HASN'T BEEN REPLACED YET.
SO IT WAS THE FOUR OF US THAT, THAT MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS YEAR, UH, THIS YEAR WE HAD, LIKE LAST YEAR WE HAD 18, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT REQUESTED FUNDING.
UH, AND SEVERAL OF 'EM WERE NEW AND THEY FALL INTO THESE SORT OF BROAD CATEGORIES.
UH, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW CATEGORY UP THERE.
THAT'S, UH, YOUTH, UH, YOUTH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OH.
AND WE HAD AN EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH NUMBER OF THOSE, WHICH I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, YOUTH PROGRAMS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE DID THE SAME PROGRAM THAT WE DID LAST YEAR WHERE EACH OF US EVALUATE EACH OF THE, UH, THE GRANTS, UH, THE GRANT APPLICATIONS.
UH, WE LOOK AT THEIR, UH, FORM NINE NINETIES FROM THE INTERNET.
UH, THOSE ARE ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE.
AND WE GO THROUGH IT AND WE COMPARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO WHAT THEY, THEIR COSTS ARE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY SUPPORT WITHIN THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
AND THE OTHER THING WE LOOK AT THAT'S ALWAYS REALLY IMPORTANT IS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE ABLE TO GARNER FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, BESIDE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR SUPPORT MM-HMM
AND SO YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE CHARTS AS WE GET IN THERE THAT, THAT SHOW EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS AND HOW THESE GUYS COMPARE.
I DID WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING, WE NOTED THIS YEAR THAT YOU GUYS HAD TAKEN THE WILLIAMSBURG MEALS ON WHEELS, THE YORK COUNTY MEALS ON WHEELS AND THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA OF FOOD BANK AND MOVED THEM UP TO REGULAR COUNTY LINE ITEMS. MM-HMM
WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE WELL TAKEN CARE OF THERE.
AND THOSE ARE EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE DONE A LOT OF GOOD WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WE WERE HAPPY THAT THEY WERE ADVANCED.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.
AND THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE SERVICE AREA.
UM, AND MOST OF THE STUFF THAT THEY DO IS, IS REAL IN THIS AREA, IS LOCALLY FOCUSED ON SUPPORT FOR MILITARY PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, THEY ALSO, IN THE EVENT THERE IS A NAT NATURAL DISASTER HERE, THEY WOULD PROVIDE SHELTER AND, UH, SPEARHEAD THE DELIVERY OF, OF SUPPORT TO THE AREA.
UM, WE DOUBLED, PRETTY MUCH DOUBLED WHAT WE GAVE 'EM LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT THEIR, THEIR IMPACT IN THE AREA IS NOT AS CRITICAL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
I PROBABLY PHRASED THAT WRONG.
THEIR NEED FOR SUPPORT TO DO THEIR MISSION YES.
IS NOT AS CRITICAL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT REQUESTING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE ARE WOULD FOR SOME OTHER PLACES.
UH, THE NEXT ONE'S UP IS THE ARC OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG.
AND THESE GUYS PROVIDE, UH, SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITY, AND THEY GIVE 'EM, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE INSTRUCTIONS.
AND THEY SERVE 148 RESIDENTS IN YORK COUNTY.
UH, THIS YEAR THEY ASKED FOR $3,000 AND WE RECOMMENDED THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.
UH, WE'VE RECOMMENDED LESS IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE HAD THOSE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT NEEDED MORE FUNDING.
UH, BUT THIS YEAR WE THOUGHT THAT THESE GUYS WERE CERTAINLY WORTHY OF THE SUPPORT.
IS THAT PRIMARILY PHYSICAL DISABILITIES OR, I THINK, UH, I THINK A LOT OF IT'S EMOTIONAL.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS ANYMORE, BUT, UH, PSYCHOLOGICAL DISABILITIES, I THINK MAY BE THE CORRECT TERM.
THEY, UH, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RIGHT TERM.
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AND AVALON CENTER FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.AGAIN, THE, THIS IS, THERE'S THREE OF THESE YES.
IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND EACH ONE OF 'EM PERFORMS A CRITICAL ROLE.
UH, AND THIS YEAR WE REBALANCED FUNDING A LITTLE BIT.
YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE GET TO SOME OF THE LATER ONES TO TRY TO BRING THESE ALL PRETTY MUCH INTO THE SAME RANGE OF FUNDING.
WE USUALLY GIVE 'EM A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THAT.
UM, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR, AND BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD LEFT, UH, AND BECAUSE WE WANTED TO TRY TO MOVE THEM UP TO BE MORE BALANCED WITH THE OTHERS, WE INCREASED THE, UH, WHAT WE RECOMMENDED TO $4,665.
YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE COUNTY TOOK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE OTHER ONES WERE, YOU KNOW, REALLY SIGNIFICANT KNEES ON WHEELS.
UH, BACON STREET, UH, YOUTH AND FAMILY SERVICES.
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDES, UH, PARTICULARLY SUPPORT FOR, FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND, AND FAMILIES WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND THEY PROVIDED 68 RESIDENTS WITH, UH, CRISIS LINE ASSISTANCE, EMERGENCY SHELTER, AND CAMP COUNSELING AND, AND LEGAL ADVOCACY.
UH, THEY USUALLY ASK FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT THAN, THAN WE CAN PRACTICALLY GIVE, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR SERVICE AREA.
UH, BUT WE DID INCREASE THE AMOUNT WE GAVE THEM THIS YEAR, UH, FOR THE SAME REASON AS THE LAST ONE.
UH, CASA COLONIAL CASA, THEY PROVIDE A COURTROOM IN COMMUNITY ADVOCACY, UH, FOR CHILDREN.
AND THIS YEAR THEY PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR 25 KIDS IN YORK COUNTY.
UH, WE INCREASED, UH, WHAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR THEM A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR AS WELL.
UM, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THE LARGEST ORGANIZATION OUT THERE, BUT THEY DO A VERY IMPACTFUL JOB.
UH, THE THING THAT THEY DO, THE THINGS THEY DO ARE IMPORTANT.
THIS ONE IS THE CENTER FOR CHILD AND FAMILY SERVICES.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE APPLIED AND THEY PROVIDE BEHAVIORAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AND FINANCIAL COUNSELING, UH, SERVICES TO 105 YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS THIS YEAR.
UH, THEY HAVE A, A FAIRLY BROAD SERVICE AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF GLOUCESTER AND, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY AND, UH, WILLIAMSBURG AND SOME, I BELIEVE ISLE OF WHITE.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE DONE A YEOMAN'S JOB OF, UH, GETTING FUNDS FROM OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY DID QUITE WELL WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE A NEW ORGANIZATION.
TYPICALLY, WE DON'T GIVE NEW ORGANIZATIONS THE WHOLE AMOUNT, EVEN IF, IF WE'RE IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY PERFORM YEAR OVER YEAR BEFORE WE INCREASE IT.
WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? UH, THEIR PHYSICAL LOCATION, I'M NOT SURE OF.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I HAVE ON ON HAND, BUT THEY'RE, NOW WHEN YOU SAY NEW, YOU MEAN NEW TO, TO US.
WELL, HOW LONG HAVE THEY, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE? I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME NOW, BUT IT'S, UH, NEW BUT NEW TO US.
THIS IS, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A LITTLE WHILE NOW.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH BRAND NEW.
AND, UH, I'LL HAVE SOME EXPLANATIONS FOR THAT WHEN WE GET THERE, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE GET THERE.
I DON'T WANNA RUIN THE SURPRISE.
UM, COMMUNITY BRAIN INJURY SERVICE.
THESE GUYS HAVE BEEN MAKING APPLICATION WITH US, UH, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE GROUP.
UH, THIS YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE 'EM FULL FUNDING, UH, AND THESE GUYS PROVIDE, UM, REALLY INTENSIVE, UM, THERAPEUTIC SERVICES TO, UH, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE IS VERY INTENSIVE.
UH, SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH BRAIN INJURIES AND THE LIKE MM-HMM
UH, SO IT'S VERY, UH, A VERY VALUABLE SERVICE.
AND THIS IS THE DE GOOD FOUNDATION.
AND THERE'S NOTHING BAD I COULD SAY ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, YOU'VE ALL HEARD OF DOLLY PARTON'S IMAGINATION LIBRARY.
WELL, THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT ARE THE LOCAL SORT OF DISTRIBUTORS FOR THAT HERE.
UM, AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO 945, UH, YORK COUNTY CHILDREN, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
UH, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NEW, WE DIDN'T GO AS, AS HIGH AS WE MIGHT HAVE.
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA GO A LOT HIGHER ON THIS ONE IN THE FUTURE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE OTHER PEOPLE SAY, BECAUSE I LOVE READING, LOVE CHILDREN, MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE FED AND, AND SAFE IS SORT OF A, A HIGHER PRIORITY.
UH, BUT THIS, WE WERE REALLY HAPPY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE LIBRARY FOUNDATION COULD DO.
DO THEY DO PHYSICAL DISTRIBUTION OF BOOKS TO PEOPLE'S HOMES OR, YES.
TO CHILDREN UP TO THE AGE OF FIVE.
TAKE 'EM OUT TO THE PEOPLE'S HOMES AND THEY MAIL 'EM.
AND THIS GUY, LITERALLY, I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THIS GUY JUST STARTED THIS LIKE A TWO YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING.
HE'S, HE'S BRAND NEW ON THE, ON THE PROGRAM.
AND KWANA SPONSORED THEM LAST YEAR IN WILLIAMSBURG.
SO THAT KIND OF GOT THEIR, GOT THEM STARTED.
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JCC HAS TAKEN ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES SINCE THEN FOR WILLIAMSBURG AND JCC, BUT, UH, BUT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR YORK COUNTY.AND THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE OTHER SMALLER FOOD KITCHENS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, BUT THESE GUYS PROVIDE FOOD, CLOTHING, HOUSEWARES, UH, AND STUFF TO PEOPLE THAT MAY BE ECONOMICALLY INSECURE OR MAYBE HOMELESS.
UH, SO THEY ARE, UH, ACTUALLY DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB UP THERE.
I THINK THEY'RE LOCATED IN WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, BUT THEY PROVIDE SERVICE THROUGH THE COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, IN GLOUCESTER.
AND WE RECOMMENDED, UH, $4,815.
THEY REQUESTED HIGHER THAN THAT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA LOOK YEAR OVER YEAR.
UH, GRACE HISTORICAL CHURCH, THESE GUYS USE THE FUNDING TO MAINTAIN THE STUFF AT THE CHURCH.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF ARTIFACTS AND THINGS THERE, AND THEY USE THE FUNDING FOR THAT.
THEY DON'T ASK FOR A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THE MONEY THAT THEY GET DOES A LOT OF GOOD WORK OVER THERE.
KEEPING SOME OF OUR TREASURES IN THE COUNTY INTACT.
UH, SO WE RECOMMEND A LITTLE MORE FOR THEM THIS YEAR.
HISTORICAL, UH, VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY.
THESE GUYS, I'M NOT, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO EXACTLY PIN DOWN THE EXTENT OF WHAT THEY DO, UH, BUT THEY SEEM TO BE ADVOCATES FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF HISTORICAL LANDS PROPERTY AND, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE YORK COUNTY WATERSHED AND RAPPAHANNOCK RIVER AND, AND THE LIKE, UH, HISTORICAL PROPERTIES, UH, ARE MAINTAINED.
AND I THINK ADVOCACY IS, IS SORT OF THEIR MAIN THING.
WE, WE HAVEN'T FUNDED THEM A LOT, BUT WE, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS STILL WORTH SUPPORTING THEM.
SO, HOSPICE HOUSE, UH, ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN HERE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS, THEY, NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW WE TREAT PEOPLE AS THEY'RE REACHING THE END OF THEIR LIFE.
THESE GUYS HAVE DONE A STELLAR JOB FOREVER WITH, WITH HANDLING VERY, VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS, UH, WITH PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE, ARE DYING OF CANCER.
AND THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TRYING TO SUPPORT 'EM.
WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT THAT WE OFFERED TO THEM THIS YEAR, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, SO NATASHA HOUSE, THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE, UH, TRANSITIONAL AND SHELTER AND HOUSING, UH, FOR BATTERED WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
WE REDUCED THEM SLIGHTLY FROM LAST YEAR, AND THAT WAS TO TRY TO BRING 'EM IN LINE WITH THE OTHER WOMEN'S SHELTERS.
UM, THEY DID HAVE SOME PROGRAMS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WERE REALLY WORTHY.
UM, BUT THEIR REQUEST FOR OUTSIDE FUNDING HAS SORT OF DIMINISHED OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO.
AND I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE 'EM BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN REQUESTING SUPPORT, PARTICULARLY FROM NEWPORT NEWS AND FROM SOME OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES.
TRANSITIONS, FAMILY VIOLENCE CENTER IS THE LAST ONE ON OF THAT TYPE.
UH, AND AGAIN, THEY PROVIDE EMERGENCY SHELTER AND HOTLINE SUPPORT AND ADVOCACY FOR, UH, THIS YEAR FOR 35 COUNTY RESIDENTS.
AND WE RECOMMENDED THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THEM.
THIS IS 50 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY, AND NATASHA HAS 55 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.
THE SAME AMOUNT IT IS, UM, THAT I COULD GO THROUGH IT ALL.
THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS THERE, BUT I TRUST YOU.
UM, AND THIS ONE, VFW, WE KEPT THEM STEADY.
UM, AND I'M THINKING, I'M THINKING NEXT YEAR OR IN THE COMING YEARS, WE MAY INCREASE WHAT WE RECOMMEND TO THEM.
UM, AS YOU'VE ALL SEEN THE SERVICES TO VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS, IF THEY'VE HAD SOME CUTBACKS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THESE GUYS PROVIDE PEOPLE THAT FILL OUT THE FORMS FOR THE VETERANS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN GET ALL THE STUFF PUT IN.
I, I WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK THAT IS GONNA BE A VERY CRITICAL CAPABILITY TO HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE.
ESPECIALLY IF THE AVAILABILITY OF THESE NATIONAL SORT OF FEDERAL PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT ARE GONE.
THIS IS, UH, THE WASHINGTON ROCHE ROAD REVOLUTIONARY ROUTE.
THIS WAS HARD TO, I, I, I TOLD YOU GUYS LAST YEAR, THIS WAS HARD TO EVALUATE BECAUSE THEY PUT IN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPORTING US, INCALCULABLE
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WE WENT IN AND WE, WE COUNTED UP ALL THE STATES AND THE RESIDENTS OF ALL THE STATES THAT THEY'RE PERFORMING THE SERVICES IN, AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WOULD BE SUPPORTED AND CAME UP WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE ENTIRELY MADE UP, BUT THEY GOT A, AN EQUATION BEHIND THEM.UH, AND THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
UH, SO THEY, THEY REQUESTED A LITTLE MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR.
UH, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T GO QUITE THAT FAR.
WE, WE KEPT IT, WE GAVE 'EM A LITTLE MORE THAN, THAN WE RECOMMENDED LAST YEAR.
BUT, UM, I THINK DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR IN 2026 WITH ALL OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON, UH, WE, YOU GUYS MAY WANNA LOOK AT THAT IN PARTICULAR.
I THINK SO FOR THAT ONE YEAR, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAY BE WORTH SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
MRS. NO, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SENT US A LETTER.
IT WILL BE IN YOUR FRIDAY CORRESPONDENCE PACKAGE.
SO I, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THEY DIDN'T, DID THEY ELABORATE ON WHAT IT, WHAT ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES ARE GONNA BE DOING FOR, THEY DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE EXTRA THINGS THAT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN COUNTY HELPING THEM SPONSOR AS WELL.
SO I, YEAH, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, FOR NEXT YEAR, I THINK IT, THEY MIGHT BE WORTH, UH, A LITTLE SPECIAL ATTENTION.
AND WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, I SAID TO MYSELF, WILLIAM AND MARY, THOSE GUYS DON'T NEED ANY MONEY.
WELL, IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS, THIS GROUP HAS GOT A VERY TARGETED ACTIVITY.
AND AS I READ ABOUT IT, I REALLY LIKED IT.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SET UP A TUTORING PROGRAM FOR CHILDREN IN THE COUNTY, AND THE HEAD START PROGRAM THAT'S, SO SOME OF THESE GUYS THAT, THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT GET THE KIND OF ONE-ON-ONE ATTENTION THAT WOULD MAKE 'EM SUCCESSFUL IN SCHOOL.
THESE GUYS ARE PUTTING TOGETHER TUTORS AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT PEOPLE OUT THERE TO, TO GIVE THESE GUYS ADVANCED TRAINING.
AND, UH, AND READING AND THE LIKE.
AND I THINK THAT ONCE I READ IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY PROGRAM.
HAVE THEY BEEN IN THE EXISTENCE? I MEAN, YOU, WHETHER OR NOT, RIGHT NOW IT SAYS, UH, TWO TO 40 CHILDREN.
ARE THEY ACTUALLY TUTORING 40 CHILDREN AT THIS TIME? OR IS THIS THEIR AIM? THAT, I THINK THAT IS THEIR AIM FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND, BUT THEY DO HAVE PRO A PROGRAM.
THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED IN JAMES CITY COUNTY AND SOME IN YORK COUNTY, UH, FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, WHICH WAS MEN MENTIONED ON THEIR APPLICATION MM-HMM
THE AMOUNT THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS, WAS MODEST.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPACTFUL.
WHY ARE WE FUNDING A FOUNDATION? WE ALL, UH, THE COUNTY OFTEN FOUND OUR FUNDS, FOUNDATIONS, FOUNDATIONS FORM THEMSELVES AS 5 0 1 C3, SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, UH, NOT BE TAXED ON THE MONEY THAT'S COMING IN.
AND JUST BECAUSE YOU CALL YOURSELF A FOUNDATION, IT'S SIMPLY A, A NON-STOCK CORPORATION.
AND JUST, I'M USED TO FOUNDATIONS DOLING OUT MONEY.
WHY, WHY WOULD WE BE PUTTING MONEY INTO A FOUNDATION SO THEY CAN TURN AROUND? WELL, SO I'LL GIVE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION.
THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION EXISTS SPECIFICALLY TO BE AN UMBRELLA FOR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
UH, A LOT OF THE, THE ART ON THE RIVERWALK, WE REALLY DON'T DO A LOT OF THINGS INDEPENDENTLY IN THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, BUT WE PROVIDE THE INSURANCE, UH, THE LEGAL SERVICES, THE ANNUAL, UH, TAX RETURNS AND THE LIKE FOR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND THE, THE COUNTY DOES FUND US, UH, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TO PAY FOR OUR ACCOUNTANTS AND WHATNOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GET ALL THIS OTHER VOLUNTEER ACTIVITY OUT.
SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANY TUTORING OF HEAD START CHILDREN IN, UH, IN GRIFFIN.
SO I, SO I, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, WELL, DON'T FORGET, WE DON'T ONLY HAVE CHILDREN AT GRIFFIN.
YATES, WE HAVE THEM AT, IN THE, BUT I WOULD SEE IT REPORTED THERE FROM THE OTHER SCHOOLS.
THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THE MONEY THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID WAS TO PAY FOR SOMEBODY TO SUPERVISE THE, THE TUTORS, WHICH WERE GONNA BE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, I THINK, OR COLLEGE STUDENTS.
I HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THEIR APPLICATION AGAIN.
IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE TRY WORTH FOR TRIAL, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY ACTUALLY EXECUTE IF THEY'RE TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING.
IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE GOT SORT OF AN INSIDE LINE ON SEEING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING, I'D LOVE TO HEAR BACK FROM YOU.
UH, BECAUSE I REALLY AM NOT OUT THERE IN ALL THESE COMMUNITIES, UH, THINGS.
I MEAN, SOME OF 'EM, BUT NOT ALL OF 'EM.
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PRETTY MUCH ALL OF 'EM, RIGHT? NO, NO.THE, UM, NO, NO ENROLLMENT'S 80.
UM, OF WHICH ABOUT TWO THIRDS ARE AT, UH, GRIFFIN.
YATES AND I WOULD'VE EXPECTED TO HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE TUTORING THERE.
AND THEN WILLIAMSBURG FAITH IN ACTION.
UH, THIS ONE PROVIDES TRANSPORTATION AND SERVICES.
UH, AND THIS IS, AND WELL CHECKS FOR THE, UM, FOR MOSTLY SENIORS, UH, IN THAT AREA.
AND, UH, MOST OF THEIR STUFF'S IN YORK'S YORK OR JAMES CITY COUNTY AND WILLIAMSBURG, BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME SERVICE IN YORK COUNTY.
SO THESE GUYS ARE LIKE THE MEALS ON WHEELS IN THAT RESPECT.
THEY MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OLDER AND ALONE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE ALONE.
AND THEY CHECK ON 'EM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE SERVICE.
UH, SO WE INCREASED THEM SLIGHTLY THIS YEAR AS WELL.
THIS IS A, THIS IS FAITH-BASED, WHEREAS MEALS ON WHEELS IS NOT SO, BUT THEY DO THE SAME THING, BASICALLY.
UH, BECAUSE MEALS ON WHEELS DOES DO THE WELL CHECKS AND ALL THIS.
THESE GUYS GO A LITTLE BEYOND THAT.
UH, BUT THE FOOD SERVICE IS THE MAIN THING THAT MEALS ON WHEELS DOES.
AND, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
NATHAN ACTION DO HAVE MINI BUSES, AND THEY DO A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION.
JUST SAYING TRANSPORTATION VISITS.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S ALL OF 'EM FOR THIS YEAR.
SO WE DID HAVE $127,827 WORTH OF REQUESTS THIS YEAR.
UM, THE AMOUNT THAT WE JUST RECOMMENDED WAS 60 2080.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU KEPT IT STEADY WITH WHAT WAS LAST YEAR.
AND WE WENT OVER A LITTLE BIT LAST YEAR TO SUPPORT A COUPLE OF GROUPS.
UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE BREAKDOWN.
AND AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, YOU CAN GO BACK AND SEE THAT THESE COLORS ARE THE SAME AS THE FIRST ONES ON THE WHEEL.
OUR, OUR CONTRIBUTION IS 70,000, UH, 60.
IT'S ACTUALLY 62 80 THIS YEAR.
IF IT WAS A DOLLAR OF, IT'S THE ARTS COMMISSION.
WHAT? THAT'S THE ARTS COMMISSION.
LAST YEAR WE HAD DISCUSSION ON HERITAGE HUMANE AND THE OTHER ANIMAL CARE, UH, GROUPS.
BRIAN'S GONNA PRESENT THAT, THAT PORTION OF, I WAS LOOKING FORWARD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I HAD HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
UM, I FORGOT TO TELL WALT HE'S DOING MY PRESENTATION AS WELL.
I HAVEN'T, YEAH, NOBODY MENTIONED THAT TO ME.
UM, BUT YEAH, THE, YEAH, THIS WAS A, A REALLY GOOD GROUP OF PEOPLE THIS YEAR.
UM, AND THE THING IS, I WOULDN'T WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FUNDING BETWEEN THE ARTS COMMISSION AND BETWEEN THIS.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS YOU GUYS CONTINUALLY MOVE THESE CRITICAL ORGANIZATIONS UP TO THE MAIN COUNTY'S BUDGET.
SO IT, IT'S REALLY NOT APPLES TO APPLES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT.
SO THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW.
WE'VE GONE DOWN ON HL VC FUNDING.
UM, AND I GUESS THE MESSAGE I'M HEARING IS THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PRESENTING WHAT IT IS THEY'RE DOING THAT'S IMPACTFUL ON HELPING THE COMMUNITY.
HLVC, HISTORIC LAND VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVATORY.
BECAUSE IT WAS 2000 AND 1800 AND THEN 1500.
I, I'LL BE HONEST, I USUALLY RECOMMEND ZERO FOR THAT BECAUSE I AM UNCLEAR ON WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.
SO IT'S A CLARITY OF MISSION THAT THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MISSION.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, PLEASE? HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAN IN SERVICES.
I GOTTA, YOU, I'M JUST, I, I SEE THE APPLICATION, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE ACCOMPLISHING.
I TELL THE ONES THAT GOT THE, UH, I THOUGHT THEY GOT THE BATTLEFIELD UP THERE WAITING FOR HELP WITH THAT.
THEN THEY'VE, UH, OVER THE, OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES, WE'VE GIFTED, UH, DEVELOPERS OF VARIOUS REASONS AND GIFTED LAND TO 'EM.
AND THEY HOLD THE LAND AND THEN, UH, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THEN THEY, THEY, THEY DO, THEY, THEN THEY'LL TAKE A SWAP LAND AND MAKE A BIGGER PIECE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A BATTLEFIELD TRUST UP THERE.
I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE LAND CONSERV CONCEPT THOUGH.
YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THEIR MISSION IS OR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY, THIS IS PROTECTS, PROTECTS AND PRESERVES.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PRESENTING THEIR MISSION TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR FUNDING INCREASE.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CONSISTENTLY WENT DOWN AND THE ONLY ONE THIS YEAR THAT'S GONE DOWN.
HAVE, HAVE YOU SHARED THAT MESSAGE
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WITH THEM? GENERALLY WE DON'T PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS.UH, THEY, WE POST OUR, UH, ANNUAL RECOMMENDATIONS ONLINE AND WE SORT OF EXPECT THEM TO, TO, TO WATCH THIS.
AND GET THE INFORMATION TO FIGURE IT OUT.
SO YOU HAVE, THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO YOU TO ASK? WELL, NO.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAVE EVER REALLY REACHED OUT TO ME HAVE BEEN THE, UM, THE MEALS ON WHEELS PEOPLE.
AND THEY COME TO MY HOUSE AND THE MEALS, NO, NO.
WELL, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR ANOTHER YEAR OF GOOD SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
AND I WISH YOU GUYS WELL WITH THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
WELL, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.
BRIAN'S GONNA DO THE SECOND PART OF, OH, COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT YES.
OH, IT SITS RIGHT HERE, BRIAN.
THAT'S NOT, OH, IT'S NOT THERE.
THIS IS EZ IS THE SECOND PART.
THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE OUTSIDE AGENCY FUNDING.
AND REGIONAL COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
SO, UM, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND ROLL THROUGH THIS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE STOP ME.
UM, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THESE AS YOU HAVE IN THE PAST.
SO JUST A QUICK REMINDER OF THE BOARD'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
AND WE HAVE TRIED TO BREAK THESE CATEGORIES, UH, AS WE DO WITH ALL THE EXPENDITURES, KIND OF INTO ONE OF THESE AREAS AND CATEGORIES THAT ARE YOUR BOARD PRIORITIES.
SO HERE'S A TOP LEVEL OF THE CATEGORIES AND WHERE THE, UM, REQUEST WORK.
UM, AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES IN DETAIL, WHICH YOU SEE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN LAST YEAR WAS 8.5.
WE HAD REQUESTS OF 10.3 AND WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING $9.8 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDING IN THESE.
THESE ARE A COMBINATION OF AGENCIES, AS YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THAT ARE, UM, THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNTS ARE BASED ON A CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT OR A FORMULA.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT.
UM, KNOWING THAT THE BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS GOING TO BE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE NOT BY CONTRACT AND WE LEVEL, MOSTLY LEVEL FUNDED THIS.
WE DID NOT GIVE THEM INCREASES, UH, BECAUSE WE JUST KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE A TIGHT BUDGET.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PHILOSOPHY THAT WE HAD WHEN WE LOOK THROUGH THESE.
SO HERE'S JUST GRAPHICALLY HOW THESE, UM, GO OUT.
IT'S NOT AS PRETTY AS, UH, WALTZ'S CHART.
BUT, UH, IT'S, IT DOES SHOW, YOU KNOW, THERE AGAIN WHERE THE COUNTY'S PRIORITIES ARE 40% TO PUBLIC SAFETY, 17% TO EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
WE'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNICATIONS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
SO THAT'S HOW THE PERCENTAGES BREAK OUT.
ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP WITH THE FOCUS OF RESILIENCY.
UM, CONSERVATION AND, UH, WATER AND CONSERVATION SOIL, THOSE THINGS.
SOME OF THE THINGS, THERE'S A, THAT COMES UNDER THAT.
THERE'S A HOST OF THINGS THAT FALL UNDER, UM, A TPC, CHESAPEAKE BAY THAT, THAT YOU'LL SEE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE.
SO, UM, HERE IS THE FIRST SIDE, UH, EXEMPLARY PUBLIC SAFETY AND, AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
UH, THERE'S JUST A SLIGHT INCREASE THERE.
UH, MOST OF THAT IS, IS BASED ON THE CONDO COMMUN CONNECTIONS, WHICH IS CONTRACTED AND ALSO THE REGIONAL, UH, MERRIMACK CENTER ANIMAL SHELTER AND ALL.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE HUMIRA MAIN SOCIETY IS, MR. ROY.
SO, SO ON THE, YOU MEAN THEM THE SAME AS YOU DID IN 2020? YES.
'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT, NOT, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT OR AN AGREEMENT.
WE HAVE A, UM, AN AGREEMENT BASED ON THE SERVICE.
THAT'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF
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WHAT WE, OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS ON LESS THAN AROUND $7,000.SO THE REST OF THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND, SO, OKAY.
SINCE THE BOARD GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL MONEY LAST YEAR, UM, WE KEPT IT LEVEL FUNDED AS WE DID, AS YOU'LL SEE WITH A LOT OF GROUPS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN CONTRACT WITH ME.
UH, CAN WE BACK UP TO THAT, UH, AGENCY SLIDE? OKAY.
TELL ME ABOUT THE FIRST ONE THERE.
THAT, THAT IS THE ADULT PROBATIONARY FUNCTION.
STILL DOING THE STAGES WHERE YOU STEP 'EM THROUGH.
THAT'S BY, AND THAT'S BY CONTRACT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S GOING UP.
THERE'S, I KNOW I SEE A PDC, I KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT THE, THE OTHERS ARE JUST SPECIFIC NAMES AND THEY MERRIMAC CENTER ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO ARE THESE OUR GOVERNMENTAL, UH, WE SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE OTHER AGENT, WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTS.
SOME OF THESE ARE LIKE THE REGIONAL JAIL, THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
YOU KNOW, WE CONTRACT SO YOU HAVE TO PAY WE, YEAH.
AND YOU SEE THAT ONE WENT DOWN BECAUSE OF WHICH ONE? USAGE ANIMAL SHELTER.
SO THIS, BUT THIS IS SOME FORMAL AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THE YES.
WITH THIS AGENCY REPRESENTING ALL THE REGIONAL, VARIOUS REGIONAL.
IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME EVERYTHING THAT'S CONTRACTUAL IS A SHARED FINANCIAL? YES.
I I EXPECTED THEM TO BE ABOUT 20% OF THE TOTAL BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS THEY HANDLE FOR YORK COUNTY.
AND, AND THEY'RE STILL COMING IN SHORT OF THAT.
NOW, MS. UH, LASKA MADE A PRESENTATION TO US LAST YEAR AND WE ENDED UP ADDING TO HER FUNDING MM-HMM
BECAUSE SHE WAS CONSIDERABLY BELOW WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TARGET OR THE AMOUNT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS SERVED.
SO I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THE FLAT LINE THIS YEAR.
'CAUSE SHE CAME IN WITH A RE WITH A REQUEST THAT MATCHED THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS BEING SERVED.
AND I WOULD'VE EXPECTED THE NUMBER TO BE AT LEAST UP.
WELL, THE, THERE'S ONLY THE, THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND OR I UNDERSTAND THAT AGREEMENT IS THERE'S ONLY ABOUT, BASED ON THE ANIMALS, IT'S ONLY ABOUT $7,000.
THERE WAS, UM, IN THEIR APPLICATION, THERE WAS A HUNDRED ANIMALS THAT THEY SERVED.
SO, WHICH I, I DON'T RECALL IT BEING A LOT MORE, BUT I'D HAVE TO LOOK.
SO THIS LIST, UM, I THINK IT WAS, IT'S NOT CONFUSING, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FOCUS IT A LITTLE BIT UNDER THE PDC, THE MEDICAL, THE METROPOLITAN MEDICAL RESPONSE SYSTEM IS A VERY SPECIFIC ASPECT OF THE PDC THAT IT SPORTS.
BUT WE PROVIDE OTHER FUNDS FOR THE PDC ON BASED ON OUR AGREEMENT AS A MEMBER OF THE PDC.
AND THEY'RE IN ONE OF THESE, THIS IS THE BUCKET FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO THE, THERE ARE OTHER BUCKETS THAT YOU'LL SEE THOSE FUNDS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT ARE THINGS LIKE, YOU GOT THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE CONTRIBUTE HERE? YES.
COMING BACK ON THAT POINT, IT'S A HUNDRED, A A HUNDRED DOGS IN THIS KENNEL AT A TIME.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL FOR YORK.
BUT THEY SENT IN THEIR THING, THEY, WE ASKED ALREADY YESTERDAY HOW MUCH I, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO 'EM PERSONALLY.
THEIR APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED SAID THAT THEY HAD A HUNDRED, THEY SERVED A HUNDRED YORK COUNTY ANIMALS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS AT A TIME THAT WAS BASED AT, AT A TIME.
THAT'S WHY I'M, THEY CAN'T HANDLE, DO THEY? YEAH.
I DON'T, I I'M, I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THIS NUMBER CONTINUES TO DRAG ON THE LOW END AND, WELL, IT IS INCREASED A LOT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE MADE A STEP CHANGE LAST YEAR AND THAT, AND THAT RECOGNIZED ONLY HALF THE GAP.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR THAT THEY SHOULD COME IN WITH A FULL PLAN THIS YEAR AND GET THEM UP TO THE FULL LEVEL OF FUNDING.
I WOULD'VE EXPECTED 20% OF THE TOTAL BETWEEN THE TWO ANIMAL GROUPS.
SO FOR 2 0 3 ON THE ONE I WOULD'VE EXPECTED, 49 ON THE OTHER.
SO THEN ARE YOU SUGGESTING A $7,000 CHANGE ON HERITAGE? I, I WOULD BECAUSE WE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
IF YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR THIS AND, AND YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHARING THIS WITH YOU.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, I THINK WE, WE WILL FIND A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
I, I'M UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS.
WHAT'S PROBLEM? WHAT MY CONCERN IS THEY'RE UNDERFUNDED RELATIVE TO THE ORIGINAL ANIMAL SHELTER.
DID THEY COME IN WITH A REQUEST? YES.
A REQUEST WAS FOR 55 H HOW MANY DOGS? I'M, I'M CONFUSED ON THIS.
SO I SEE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY DOGS ARE YORK COUNTY DOGS? DID THEY TOOK CARE OF? HOW MANY DOGS ARE JAMES CITY COUNTY DOGS? HOW MANY DOGS ARE WILLIAMSBURG DOGS? TO ADD THEM ALL TOGETHER? THAT'S IN THE APPLICATION.
BUT THE YORK COUNTY SHARE WAS, BUT WHAT I WANTED, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS WHAT IS
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YOUR COUNTY SHARE OF IT? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO MY EMAILS AND PULL THAT REPORT OUT.UM, BUT THERE WAS A SIZABLE NUMBER.
THERESA'S TRYING TO RESEARCH THAT RIGHT NOW SHE'S GOT HER EXTRA MONEY.
I JUST, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE, UH, YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T CARE REQUEST.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER UP THERE SO WE COULD LET THERESA TAKE A LOOK.
SHE'S TRYING TO LOOK AT THEIR APPLICATION RIGHT NOW.
WHEN SHE FINDS IT, WE COULD COME BACK TO THIS.
CDR, UH, THE BIG, BIG CHANGE THERE IS, UH, O OVER WHAT WAS REQUESTED WAS CDR UM, REQUESTED $75,000 FOR OPERATION AND THEN A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION OF 500,000.
UM, THEY ALSO DID A SIMILAR REQUEST TO JAMES CITY COUNTY FOR $500,000.
UM, $250,000 FOR THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND $125,000 TO THE CITY OF POSA.
UM, THE CAOS OF THE REGION GOT TOGETHER AND DISCUSSED THE APPLICATION AND THE PROCESS AND AGREED TO FUND IT IN THEIR OPERATING BUDGET OR THE BUDGET REQUEST THIS YEAR AT 10%.
SO WE DID ADD THE $50,000 TO THE $75,000 FOR OPERATION.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSED THE 1 25.
UH, THE OTHER LOCALITIES, UM, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, ARE GONNA DO SIMILAR AND PROPOSE THAT AT 10%, WHAT ARE THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THEY'RE LOOKING THEIR RENOVATION AT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OTHER, OTHER AGENCIES AS YOU'LL SEE A BIT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TAKING THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE ASKING, BUT YOU'RE SPREADING IT OUT OVER LENGTH OF TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT'LL BE UP FOR CONSIDERATION EACH YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THIS BUDGET WAS A NOT A PARTICULARLY GOOD BUDGET.
THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD CAPITAL REQUESTS THAT WE DIDN'T FUND AT ALL.
UH, THE OTHER ONES ARE, ARE ALL REALLY CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS.
UM, OR WE DID THE PENINSULA COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
WE LEVEL FUNDED THAT, WHICH WAS THEIR REQUEST.
SO VALUE DRIVEN ECONOMICS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN SEE A WHOLE HOST OF THESE, UM, AS, AS THEY COME ALONG.
A LOT OF THESE WERE EITHER
UM, SO WATA WAS THE BIG INCREASE THERE.
UH, AND SEVERAL THINGS HAPPENED THERE AT WADO TO CAUSE THAT LARGE OF INCREASE.
UM, SO THE FREQUENCY OF THE ROUTES INCREASED ON ROUTES ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS THE LEE HALL ROUTE.
UM, AND THE WAY THE FEDERAL FUNDING AND THE STATE FUNDING COMES WHEN YOU MAKE A CHANGE, THEY DON'T CALCULATE ANY COSTS FOR THAT OR, OR SUBSIDIZE ANY COSTS FOR THAT FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
SO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE COST OF THAT.
WE ALSO HAD COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG WITHDREW FROM THE AUTHORITY AS A, UM, AND BASICALLY TURNED THEIR BUS SERVICE OVER TO WADA.
UM, AND SO THEY, THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE BUS BUSINESS.
AND SO THEY ARE NO LONGER FUNDING BUSES.
UM, SO, UM, JAMES CITY COUNTY'S INCREASE, OUR INCREASE IS ABOUT 70%.
UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY'S INCREASED THIS YEAR IS 85%.
UH, CITY WILLIAMSBURG IS AT 65.
AND NEW NEWPORT NEWS' REQUEST IT INCREASES A HUNDRED PERCENT.
NOW, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET TO THE SECOND YEAR OF THIS, WE'LL GET ADDITIONAL STATE FUNDING AND THEN THAT THAT'LL REDUCE OUR CONTRIBUTION.
THAT IT'S THIS, THE WAY THE FEDERAL SYSTEM WORKS.
SO OUR FUNDING INCREASED BY 70%.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WILLIAMSBURG OPTED OUT.
COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG OPTED OUT.
AND THEN INCREASED ROUTE, INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF ROUTES.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO INCUR THAT COST FOR THE TWO FIRST TWO YEARS.
ALL OF THE ROUTE MILEAGE IS BASED ON, THEY TAKE THE WHOLE SYSTEM AND YOU'VE GOT X NUMBER OF MILES IN YOUR COUNTY, X NUMBER OF MILES IN WILLIAMSBURG.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THEY CALCULATE ALL OF THAT OUT.
TO DETERMINE THE PERCENTAGES OF THE COST.
BUT DID ROTTER SHIP BY YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS GREW UP BY 70%? NO, BUT IT DID INCREASE.
SO THE, THE 2024 ACTUAL RIDER WAS 313,000 YORK COUNTY
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WRITERS.THEY'RE PROJECTING IN FY 25 IT TO GO TO 391,000 AND THEN FY 26, 440,000.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS THE ROUTE IN LACKEY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ABOUT A 90 MINUTE TURNAROUND.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DECREASE THAT TO 60.
SO THAT RIGHT THERE WILL, SHOULD INCREASE RIDERSHIP BY A THIRD BECAUSE YOU CAN COUNT ON IT MORE.
UH, IT'LL BE MORE FREQUENCY OF, OF STOPS.
SHOULDN'T THEIR FUNDING ONLY GO UP 30% TO NOT 70%.
WELL, PART OF THAT IS YOU'VE LOST THE FUNDING FROM COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG AND WE HAVE TO COVER THE ENTIRE COST THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
ALL THE OTHER COSTS ARE CALCULATED BASED ON, UH, THE STATE FORMULA AND WHAT THEY REIMBURSED.
THIS, THE CONTRACT SAYS WE HAVE TO ABSORB.
ARE WE PAYING CW ANYTHING? WE DON'T PAY CW.
NO, THEY DON'T PAY US EITHER THOUGH.
UH, SO THE OTHER THING THAT WATADA DID FOR US, UM, IF, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE WORKED WITH THEM ON OUR TROLLEYS.
AND FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME OUT WITH A PARA, THE PARATRANSIT RULE.
AND BASICALLY SAID ANYBODY WITHIN A QUARTER OR THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE OF A BUS ROUTE, YOU HAD TO OFFER PARATRANSIT SERVICE AND BASICALLY PICK THEM UP AT THEIR HOUSE AND TAKE THEM TO WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE.
AND SO WE BASICALLY HAD TO SET UP A CALL SERVICE.
SO WE CONTRACTED, THE CHEAPEST WAY FOR US TO DO THAT WAS TO CONTRACT WITH WADA TO DO IT.
AND WE DID, WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH 'EM AND IT WAS $17,500 FOR, UM, THAT SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S 365 DAYS A YEAR.
SOMEBODY CAN CALL, THEY CAN GET A RIDE WITHIN 24 HOURS.
UH, WE JUST COULD NOT HAVE STOOD THAT UP.
WHERE DO THEY GET A RIDE TO, UH, WHERE IT WAS DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR TO DOCTOR, ANYWHERE THAT'S ON THE ROUTE, OR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET, IF YOU'RE DISABLED, THEY CAN TRANSPORT YOU TO THE ROUTE SO THEY CAN PICK YOU UP FOR YOUR HOME, BUT THEY GET YOU TO THE BUS STOP THAT'S NEAR YOU.
AND THEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET EM THEM FROM THE BUS STOP BACK HOME.
SO, BUT WE CONTRACTED WITH THEM.
SO THIS LAST YEAR WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT, WE ACTUALLY GOT THEM TO, TO PICK UP THAT COST AND NOT CHARGE US ANYMORE.
SO THAT IS SAVING US $17,500 A YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST DOING THAT SERVICE.
BECAUSE IN THE TWO YEARS WE GOT ZERO PHONE CALL FOR THAT SERVICE.
HOW FAR STAFF DO THEY COME? THEY COME TO YORKTOWN.
SO YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE PRE COVID.
THERE WAS A DEMONSTRATION ROUTE THAT THEY HAD APPROVED A THREE YEAR GRANT FOR TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN 17 TO WALMART.
UM, AND THEN COVID HIT AND THEY COULD NOT GET THE DRIVERS RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY LOST THE FEDERAL GRANT BECAUSE THEY JUST COULD NOT, THEY'RE JUST NOW GETTING BACK TO FULL SERVICE OF DRIVERS.
BUT WE HAD THAT INITIALLY WE HAD THAT IN THE, WE HAD, WE HAD NINETIES AND WE DID, IT DID NOT BECAUSE IT, WE COULDN'T GET THE LEADERSHIP.
SO THERE AGAIN, HOW DO YOU GET FROM YOUR HOUSE IN DARE OR GRAFTON OR ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE 17 IF YOU'RE HAVE TRANSPORTATION THAT WHICH RIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE TALK OF SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE SPURS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GET TO THE MAIN ARTERY, WHICH IS 17, THEN YOU HAVE A LOT MORE OPTIONS.
SO, UM, WE, THEY WILL LOOK AT PUTTING THAT BACK DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT, BUT THAT WAS A FEDERAL GRANT THAT WE DID LOSE LIZ.
UH, BRIAN, IF YOU ARE GONNA CHANGE SLIDES, THERESA'S READY TO ANSWER.
HERITAGE HUMANE ON THEIR APPLICATION, THEY SAY THAT THEIR TOTAL NUMBER OF ANIMALS SERVED AND 24 WAS 16, 18 89 BEING YORK COUNTY.
THEY ESTIMATE 25 TO BE 1650 WITH A HUNDRED BEING YORK COUNTY AND 26, 16 75 BEING A HUNDRED YORK COUNTY.
WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR APPLICATION OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT THEY SERVE, UM, 89 OR YORK COUNTY THIS PAST LAST YEAR, 24, 578 OR JAMES CITY COUNTY 340 ARE WILLIAMSBURG.
THE FUNDING PROVIDED FOR THAT WAS 42 5 FOR YORK COUNTY, 1 61, 3 74 FOR JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND $35,000 FOR WILLIAMSBURG.
WE'RE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
OH, WILLIAMSBURG IS TIMES THE NUMBER.
A LOT MORE PER ANIMAL, BUT YEAH.
SO WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE? BOTTOM LINE, THEY SERVE ABOUT A HUNDRED OF OUR ANIMALS ALL YEAR LONG IS WHAT THEIR ESTIMATE NEXT YEAR.
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VERY WELCOME.THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE, UM, OTHER AREAS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THE BIG ONE HERE OBVIOUSLY IS THE FULL YEAR OF THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY FROM 400,000 TO 800,000.
AND YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THESE THAT WERE YES.
WE DID LEVEL FUND EVEN IF THEY REQUESTED MORE.
WHAT MS. MS. MUSEUM, THE TALL SHIP COMMITTEE IS THAT TO PAY FOR SHIPS COMING IN, THAT'S TO PAY FOR SHIPS COMING IN.
UM, AND WE TYPICALLY, UM, WE'VE GOT THAT UP TO 15,000.
IF THEY DON'T SPEND IT, IF WE DON'T HAVE A SHIP COMING IN, UH, A TALL SHIP THOUGH, A A NICE TALL SHIP, IF YOU'RE GONNA PAY THEM TO COME IN, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THAT IN ONE WEEKEND.
CAPS CROSS DOES A GREAT JOB IN NEGOTIATING THOSE.
HE'S GOT A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP.
HE'S VERY GOOD AT KNOWING THAT SHIP X IS OVER IN NORFOLK THIS WEEKEND.
AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW HE'S GONNA BE IN BALTIMORE.
HEY, IF YOU WANNA COME, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HELP YOU OUT.
RIGHT? WE CAN SET YOU UP AND YOU CAN, INSTEAD OF FLOATING AROUND CHESAPEAKE BAY, COME HERE WORK AND DO SOME FREE DECK TOURS.
WE'LL LET YOU DO SOME PAID TOURS AND SOME PAID SALES.
AND IT, IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
SO HE DOES A GREAT JOB OF RECRUITING THOSE SHIPS.
UM, GET YOU, WE'LL GET YOU A PUB BURGER.
GET YOU A PUB BURGER, SET YOU UP.
SO BETWEEN THAT AND THE, AND THE, THE LARGE SHIPS THAT ARE THE YACHTS, IF YOU WILL, UH, HE'S, HE'S GOT A LOT OF CONTACTS WITH THOSE AND DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, OF RECRUITING THOSE SHIPS.
THIS ONE OF THE SHIPPING NOW SHIP CAME IN THIS MORNING, WAS THE FIRST ONE OF THE SEASON, UM, FROM AMERICAN CRUISE LINE CAME IN THIS MORNING.
SO HERE, MOST OF THESE AS, EXCEPT FOR COLONIAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH NOW, COLONIAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH DID ASK FOR, UH, A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR, UH, CAPITAL, UH, GRANT FOR THEIR FACILITY AT EASTERN STATE.
AND WE DID NOT RECOMMEND MONEY FOR THAT, WHICH JUST OBVIOUSLY, UM, DIDN'T, DIDN'T HAVE THAT THERE.
UM, THERE, YOU SEE THE 62 0 8 IS THE WALTZ COMMITTEE THAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT IS ALLOCATED.
BUT THEN THEY DIVIDED, I HAVE A QUESTION.
A CLIENT BEHAVIOR HEALTH, DO WE HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS? YES, WE DO.
CLINIC LACKEY, WE, WE DID LEVEL FUND THAT.
UM, SO, UH, SAME WITH THE ALCOHOL SAFETY.
AND IT'S A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AND IT'S A HEART DISTRICT HEALTH DISTRICT.
SO YOU GAVE THEM WHAT THEY REQUESTED? YES.
AND THAT, THAT'S WE, THERE'S A FORMULA BASED FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT BASED ON, ON THE PROGRAM.
AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THESE, UM, YOU COULD SEE WHERE AS, AS MR. KER TALKED ABOUT, WE PULLED THE THREE MEALS ON WHEELS.
UH, PROGRAMS OUT THERE IS THE MONEY FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION, UM, THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AT, AT 75,000.
UM, OLD TOWN MEDICAL DENTAL CENTER.
WE DID LEVEL FUND, UH, SIMILAR TO LACKEY.
I WONDER WHAT THE CLIENTELE IS FOR OLD TOWN MEDICAL DENTAL.
I THINK THIS MONTH, LAST MONTH IT WAS 11% YORK COUNTY, I BELIEVE.
15 A COUPLE YEAR OR SO AGO WAS A LOT LESS THAN THAT, BUT IT PICKED UP.
SO, AND THEN, SO HERE, THE SOIL, UH, COLONIAL SOIL AND WATER, WE DID RECOMMEND AN INCREASE, UH, FOR THAT.
UM, AND TALKING WITH THEIR AGENCY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THEY'VE GIVEN OUT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN GRANTS TO YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS TO HELP SOIL EROSION AND CONSERVATION.
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SO WE DID FEEL THAT THAT WAS A, A GOOD INVESTMENT, UM, FOR THAT.ISN'T THERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WE COULD PUT THIS IN? I COULD EVER, I MEAN, I STILL SORT OF KNOW THAT ORGANIZATION DOES, BECAUSE SOMETHING FROM BACK IN THE DEPRESSION ERA, AND THEY HAVE AN ELECTED OFFIC.
I KNOW THEY GOT TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND UH, OR TWO POSITIONS.
AND I KNOW GEORGE, WHEN GEORGE GOT ON THERE, HE PUSHED HARD TO GET, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, GET, UH, CHAD TO WANT TO PUT MONEY INTO THE PROGRAM.
BUT FOR LIFE OF ME, I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL AND AND THAT'S THE THING, WHEN WE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, ABOUT THE NUMBER OF GRANTS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN OR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GIVE PEOPLE TO THE STATE TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO.
WE DO A SHORELINE PROJECTS, LIVING, SHORELINE PROJECTS, EROSION PROJECTS, ET CETERA.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY DO.
NO, THEY PROVIDE GRANT FUNDING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO HOMEOWNERS, I GUESS PROJECT.
WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE THAT? LIKE THE WETLANDS BOARD OR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I CAN'T, WE DON'T GIVE GRANTS FOR THAT, FOR THAT.
BUT I WOULDN'T TELL YOU GIVE THESE PEOPLE MONEY, PERIOD.
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BRIAN, I COULD EVER FIGURE OUT WHAT HECK THEY DID.
I HAD TWO PHONE CALLS OVER IT.
UM, SINCE WE PUT THIS TOGETHER AND BOTH REPRESENTATIVES FROM SOIL AND WATER.
AND WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS, IS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEY'VE GIVEN OUT MORE THAN $200,000 WORTH OF GRANTS.
AND THEY FELT LIKE THE MINIMUM, UM, CONTRIBUTION FOR ANY OF THE LOCALITIES THAT USE THEIR SERVICES IS $25,000.
WE, WE USED THE SERVICES 'CAUSE THEY CAME IN, WE GAVE MONEY AND THEY GO DOWN AND FOUND THAT WHAT TAKE TO DO, I MEAN, IT WAS SAY WAS A, IT WAS A, I MEAN IT WAS A, IT WAS A MISSION LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WHAT I'D BE, WHAT I COULD DO FOR YOU IS I CAN HAVE 'EM CONTACT YOU DIRECTLY IF YOU CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEY, WHAT RATIONALE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
'CAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST PAYING SOMEBODY THAT LIVES ON THE WATER TO, TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY, THAT I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
AND WE GOT PEOPLE THAT GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE WETLANDS BOARD BECAUSE THEY GO OUT AND, AND THEY TRY TO USE, UH, CONCRETE OR WHATEVER TO, TO SUPPORT THE BANKS AND WHATEVER.
SO IF THESE GUYS GOT A REAL MISSION, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
WE CONTINUING GIVE THESE FOLKS MONEY FOR WHAT? OKAY.
WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT CLEARED UP FOR YOU.
WE GOT STAFF THAT GOES OUT AND DOES SHORELINE REST, UH, WHAT IS IT? UH, RESTORATION REPAIR.
WHY DON'T WE GIVE A, GIVE OURSELVES A GRANT AND WE CAN GO OUT AND DO THAT WAY.
SO I'M SAYING I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT I WOULD, I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY OF THIS HAS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME.
CHAD AND GEORGE SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME GOOD, GOOD, GOOD WORK WITH IT.
I, TO THIS DAY, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, I WILL HAVE THEM CALL YOU.
SO, MY UNDERSTANDING, I TALKED TO ONE OF 'EM ON THE BOARD AND THEY, YORK COUNTY, THEY GIVE MORE GRANTS OUT TO YORK COUNTY THAN ANY JURISDICTION AROUND.
THAT'S 'CAUSE WE GIVE 'EM MONEY.
WELL, WE'VE GIVEN THEM $5,000.
WE USED TO NEVER GIVE 'EM ANY MONEY, PERIOD, BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY DID.
BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS THEY'RE SAYING IF YOUR COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO KICK IN TO HELP WITH THE PROJECTS AND WILLIAMSBURG IS WILLING TO KICK IN, THEN THEY CAN GO HELP WITH WILLIAMSBURG AND THAT'S GONNA PUT THE BURDEN ON.
IS THAT BLACKMAIL OR COUNTY? NO, THERE'S NO BURDEN ON THE COUNTY.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A BURDEN ON THE COUNTY.
THE RESIDENTS, WHAT I'M SAYING, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LOOKING TO GET THESE GRANTS.
SO I THINK THAT'S CALL I'M I'LL.
DO DO WE KNOW THE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT PROVIDE THEM? FUNDED? NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT.
WILLIAMSBURG I KNOW IS ONE OF 'EM.
YOU SHOULD BE DOING THIS PRESENTATION
THERE'S UP, I I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE NO PAPERWORK HERE.
UM, IT SAYS THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING PROVIDED IN 25 YORK COUNTY, FIVE JAMES CITY COUNTY 62, 4 50, WILLIAMSBURG, EIGHTH HAMPTON, FIVE CHARLES CITY, 19 FIVE AND NEW KENT.
SO WAS THAT SIX OR SEVEN LOCALITIES? 2, 3, 6.
JAMES CITY COUNTY AT 6 2 4 50 62.
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PROBABLY FAT OIL IN GREASE.BUT CAPITALIZE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A
I'D PROBABLY GO HALFWAY ON THAT COLONIAL OR ON THE SOIL WATER.
RATHER THAN ALL THE WAY BASED ON WHAT I HEARD THE OTHER COMMUNITY'S PROVIDING, I WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO 25 HR FIVE.
I'LL, I'LL STILL HAVE, UH, I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION JUST BASED ON WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE CONTRIBUTING TO SOIL AND WATER.
I WOULDN'T GO TO 25, I'D GO TO 15.
MY WHOLE, MY WHOLE CONCERN IS THAT FOR I UNDERSTOOD THAT TOO FOREVER IN VIRGINIA AND THE SOUTH, IT ALL STEMS FROM THE DEPRESSION ERA AND THE SOIL, ALL THIS STUFF.
AND THEY'RE PLACES THAT REALLY USE THESE GUYS.
ESPECIALLY IN THE FARMING, FARMING USES HERE, THEY GET ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE HERE AND WE HAPPEN TO BE IN THEIR AREA AND WE'RE MORE OF A METROPOLITAN AREA.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY NECESSARILY FIT.
AND SO 20 YEARS AGO I TRIED TO FIGURE OUT THEIR WHOLE CHAIN ALL THE WAY UP TO THE GOVERNOR, WHICH VERY CONVOLUTED AND IS NOT THERE.
SO, SO THEN THEY CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA THAT MAYBE THEY COULD DO SOME WORK WITH, UH, GOING OUT FINDING THESE PROJECTS.
BUT I, BUT I DON'T, EVERY YEAR ALL I SEE IS MONEY GOING THEIR WAY AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR.
AND YOUR POINT'S TAKEN, IF IT'S DOING SHORELINE RESTORATION ON PERSONAL PROPERTY, IS THAT THE BEST USE OF TAX FUNDS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, FARM LAND RESTORATION? THAT, THAT I GUESS WE NEED, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WELL IF YOU HAD A FARM AND YOU WANTED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLOW THE FIELDS OR WHAT, WHAT GRASS TO PLANT FOR THE CATTLE, UH, HOW TO, HOW TO HARVEST CROPS AND SO THAT YOU CAN ROTATE CROPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A GREAT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT THING THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD DO.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE FOUR H IN A WAY.
UM, JUST NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR GET OUTTA THE WAY SO YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING.
AND BEFORE WE GET TO THE TAB, LET'S SEE.
OH, ROSE, YOU'RE DOING COMPENSATION BENEFITS, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
BUT BEFORE THAT, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, DELEGATE AC CORDOZA.
JUST SAY WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU JOIN US AND GOOD LUCK.
IS IT TOMORROW? IT IS TOMORROW.
WE ALL HAVE OUR FINGERS CROSSED.
UH, I, I, I ASSURE YOU, I'LL BE VOTING IN THE WAY THAT YOUR COUNTY NEEDS TO GET AS MUCH MONEY AS AS POSSIBLE.
CANDY IS THE FUEL WE NEED, ISN'T IT? I GET THAT.
YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOUR EYEBALLS.
OKAY, IF Y'ALL ARE READY, I SHALL BEGIN.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, EACH YEAR HUMAN RESOURCES COMES BEFORE YOU TO DO A PRESENTATION ON COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS.
IT IS MY PLEASURE THIS EVENING TO COME BEFORE YOU AND SHARE INFORMATION ON WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED IN THESE TWO ARENAS.
YOU WANT COPIES OF THE SLIDES? CAN WE GET COPIES? I DON'T HAVE COPIES FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE'LL, WE'LL EMAIL THEM TO YOU TOMORROW.
UM, IN THIS AGENDA, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF NOT ONLY OUR COMPENSATION CONDITION, WE'RE GONNA ALSO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND US AND DISCUSS WHAT THAT MEANS TO YORK COUNTY.
THEN WE'RE GONNA DIVE INTO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR BENEFITS AND WE'LL BREAK DOWN WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE AND WHERE WE'RE GONNA HEAD INTO THE 2026 PLAN YEAR.
SO LET'S BEGIN WITH COMPENSATION MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WE DO REALIZE THAT THIS PRESENTATION IS GONNA ADD TO THE COMPLEXITY OF YOUR DECISION AS A BOARD IN DECIDING WHAT TO DO WITH THIS BUDGET.
UM, WE REALLY DO UNDERSTAND
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OF US ARE VERY, YOU DO IT ON PURPOSE.WE, WE REALLY, WE SEE HOW GOOD, YOU UNDERSTAND, WE DO UNDER, OH, WE'VE DONE THIS WAY TOO LONG.
UM, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU TO FACTOR INTO YOUR DECISION.
UM, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM.
WE ARE ALL TRYING TO SHARE AND ACCOMPLISH THE SAME GOAL OF PROVIDING THESE GREAT SERVICES THAT WE DO TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO OUR CITIZENS.
SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH A COST.
AND WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU TODAY WHAT THAT COST LOOKS LIKE FOR YOUR COUNTY SO THAT YOU CAN FACTOR THAT INTO YOUR DECISIONS.
OKAY? SO FIRST, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE, THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND, AND YOU KNOW ALL THIS, WE HAVE TO BE MARKETABLE.
WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE IN ORDER TO RETRACT, TO RETRACT, TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN CERTAIN EMPLOYEES TO COME TO YORK COUNTY.
AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE CLIMATE THAT WE'RE IN.
AND THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T IGNORE IT.
WE ARE IN A CLIMATE WHERE WE ARE BATTLING INFLATION, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
I MEAN, ALL THE RISING COSTS, WE'RE BATTLING THAT AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE.
AND THAT COST OF LIVING IS VERY IMPACTFUL.
WE ARE BATTLING NATIONWIDE RECRUITMENT CHALLENGES.
WE ARE BATTLING STAYING COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET.
WE'RE BATTLING THE HIGH COST IT TAKES TO GET PEOPLE TO COME HERE.
AND IT'S HAPPENING AND INCREASING SO AGGRESSIVELY THAT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP.
THESE ARE THE REAL LIFE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CLIMATE THAT EVERY LOCALITY IS DEALING WITH.
AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ATTAIN THE SAME PEOPLE AND WE'RE SHOOTING FOR THE SAME TYPE OF CANDIDATE.
SO THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING FOR US.
AND SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS KIND OF SHOW YOU WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT AND WHY THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MR. BELLAMY HAS MADE TO YOU ALL FOR THE PROPOSED GWI IS SO CRITICAL FOR YOU TO REALLY KEEP IN THE FRONT OF YOUR MINDS AS YOU CONSIDER THIS BUDGET.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU KIND OF WHERE WE STAND IN THE MARKET AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.
THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE SHARE WITH YOU GUYS AS WE TALK ABOUT NOT ONLY THE RECRUITMENT SIDE OF IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA DIVE INTO THE RETENTION SIDE OF IT AND WHAT THAT CAN COST FOR US AS WELL.
SO THIS SLIDE IS JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THE MARKET OUTLOOK.
WHERE DO WE STAND? AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO SHARE WITH YOU IN THAT BIG BLUE CLOUD, ALL THE AGGRESSIVE COMPENSATION OFFERS THAT WE ARE BATTLING AND ALL LOCAL ARE ING THESE.
SO BETWEEN HIGHER STARTING SALARIES, SIGNING BONUSES, IMPLEMENTATION OF PAY STUDIES, PROPOSED GENERAL WAGE INCREASES, STEP INCREASES, CAREER LADDERS, SLOTTING PEOPLE BY EXPERIENCE, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT LOCALITIES ARE JUMPING OUT WITH AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND WE ARE BEHIND IN A LOT OF THESE, WHICH IS WHY I PUT LAGGING AND COMPETITIVENESS.
AND WE'LL GO INTO THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN THESE SLIDES SO YOU CAN GET A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE.
AND THEN, AS I WAS SHARING EARLIER, THE COST OF WHAT IT TAKES TO GET PEOPLE NOW, IT IS INSANE HOW MUCH THAT HAS RISEN.
AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT TO GET THAT GOOD TALENT.
AND SO THEN WHEN YOU PAY THAT MUCH MONEY TO GET PEOPLE SO YOU CAN FILL YOUR VACANCIES, YOU THEN ARE LEFT WITH WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR EXISTING STAFF AND THAT INTERNAL EQUITY AND THAT COMPRESSION THAT YOU CREATE BY BRINGING NEW HIRES IN AT A HIGHER COST.
AND THAT'S THE RETENTION SIDE OF IT.
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY IGNORE ONE SIDE OF THE COIN, UM, OVER THE OTHER.
SO THESE ARE REAL THINGS THAT WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH AS WE LOOK AT THE MARKET, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY, UM, MARK HAS COME OUT WITH THAT PROPOSED GWI AND ROSS, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT SLIDE, UM, I DON'T SEE MERIT INCREASES ANYWHERE ON THAT PAGE.
WE'VE CERTAINLY TALKED ABOUT THAT IN HERE.
SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXED THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THAT AGAINST US, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF IMPROVING OUR COMPETITIVENESS.
CAN CAN I ASK YOU IF WE CAN PARK THAT AND COME BACK TO IT? CERTAINLY BEFORE WE FINISH THE, BEFORE WE PRINT PRESENTATION? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A PLACE THAT IT FITS NATURALLY AND AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY MISSING FROM THAT PAGE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GO INTO THAT.
SO THIS SLIDE KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE MARKET IMPACT ON OUR COMPENSATION INCREASES.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW YOU HERE IS, AS WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE PROPOSED GENERAL WAGE INCREASE ACROSS OUR MARKET, IT'S 3%.
AS WE LOOK AT AVERAGE INCREASES OF LOCALITIES THAT HAVE DONE COMPENSATION STUDIES AND IMPLEMENTED THEM.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME MORE OF THAT ON ANOTHER SLIDE.
THOSE ARE THE RANGES BY WHICH THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND FUNDED COMPENSATION STUDIES.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE PLUS SIGN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'VE GOT LOCALITIES THAT HAVE STEP INCREASES AND THEY'RE ALSO FUNDING STEP INCREASES.
SO YOU, YOU SAID THAT WAS THE COST.
THIS IS HOW MUCH THEY HAVE GIVEN COMPENSATED EMPLOYEES WITHIN THAT RANGE AS A RESULT OF THE COST OF THE STUDIES.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU TAKE ALL OF THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED GENERAL WAGE INCREASE THAT MR. BELLAMY MADE OF OUR 4%, 500, THAT REALLY JUST GETS US EVEN CLOSE TO BEING IN THE GAME.
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CRITICAL THAT WE, WE HAVE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE SIT.THE LAST TIME WE DID A COMPENSATION STUDY IN YORK COUNTY WAS 2016, BUT WE DID NOT FUND IT.
SO AGAIN, WE ARE REALLY BEHIND WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
AND THEN IF I COULD SHOW YOU THIS NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THREE BULLET POINTS IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT THREE, THREE DIFFERENT RANGES.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES, THREE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AND RANGES THAT THEY HAVE FUNDED.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
NO, IT'S ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
WELL, AND I THINK THE, THE MIDDLE ONE, THE ZERO TO 20, THAT'S GOTTA BE MERIT BASED OR SOMETHING.
IT'S A, THOSE ARE STRICTLY FUNDING FOR COMPENSATION STUDIES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE IT EVEN FACTORED IN ALL THE INCREASES FOR MERIT.
GWI STEP, THAT'S JUST ONE CATEGORY OF THE COMPENSATION STUDY.
AND IT RANGES BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LAYERS OF HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO CATCH UP, SO TO SPEAK.
WHEN YOU DO COMP STUDIES, I WOULD BET THAT WAS MARKET, MARKET JOB SHIFT.
THEY LOOKED AT EACH JOB AND SAID, WELL, THIS JOB IS RIGHT ON TARGET 0%.
SO WE'RE GOTTA BUMP, WE GOTTA MOVE THAT 20% TO GET IT IN LINE WITH, WITH THE MARKET.
THAT'S HOW THOSE, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE RANGES.
NOW THESE ARE THE LOCALITIES THAT HAVE RECENTLY CONDUCTED COMPENSATION STUDIES.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM SHOWS YOU THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS JUST ABOUT EVERY SURROUNDING LOCALITY EXCEPT US.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE JUST TAKE FROM ALL THE REST BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE
THE ONES THAT CAN'T FILL, DOWNLOAD ALL CHAT, GPT, SUMMARIZE, WE'RE DONE.
THEY CAN FILL ALL THEIR VACANCIES AND WE'LL TAKE WHAT'S LEFT.
AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE SHOWED YOU THIS IMPACT BECAUSE THIS IS WHY, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO MR. MELANIE THAT WE DO NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER DOING A COMP STUDY HERE IN YORK COUNTY VERY, VERY SOON, AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AND THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND IT AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY AS WE DID IN 2016.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO ONE IF WE CAN'T FUND IT.
BUT THIS ADDS TO THE COMPLEXITY OF US BEING BEHIND.
UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU SAW THIS SLIDE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.
BUT BOTTOM LINE IS I'D SOONER FUND THE EMPLOYEES THAN PAY FOR A COMPENSATION STUDY.
IF I HAD TO PUT MY MONEY ONE PLACE OR THE OTHER.
I'D RATHER NOT GIVE IT TO THE CONSULTANT.
ONE RESULTS IN THE SAME THING.
SO TO YOUR POINT, ONE THING, IT'S INTERESTING BY THE LIST OVER HERE, IT'S THE LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE NOT DONE THE STUDY.
I MEAN, YOU THINK OF, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S 17 JURISDICTIONS THAT MAKE UP HAMPTON ROADS, AND I THINK YOU ONLY SHOW NINE UP HERE.
AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE EIGHT SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY, FRANKLIN COUNTY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T MR. SHEPHERD, WE JUST DIDN'T SURVEY.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT SHOWN UP HERE.
SO, BUT WHAT IT, WHAT IT TELLS ME IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE MUNICIPALITY.
HOW DIFFERENT ARE THEY FROM THE OTHERS? OKAY.
I MEAN, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S VERY RURAL, VERY RURAL.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FRANKLIN VERY SMALL, LIKE ONLY POPUL THE CITY OF WAY TWO, 3000 MAYBE.
UM, SO IT, IT TO, TO DO A STUDY, I THINK FITS WITH A WHATEVER THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE MUNICIPALITY.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO GET DONE? WHY DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE ONE FOR SO LONG.
WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE ONE FOR SO LONG? AND I DARE SAY IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THAT IT FITS WITHIN, WELL, IT'S A COST, BUT I DON'T EVER REMEMBER US SHY AWAY FROM US DOING A STUDY ON COMPENSATION LIKE THAT.
WE DID PUT A LONG TIME, WE JUST MAYBE COULDN'T, WE BROKE DOWN ACCORDING TO THE DIFFERENT JOBS THAT WE HAD.
I MEAN, NORMALLY YOU, YOU, IF YOU DO A COMPENSATION STUDY, IT'S GONNA COST YOU NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE STUDY OR YOU COME OUTTA THE OTHER END OF IT.
IT'S A FUND THE RESULTS IT'S GONNA COST YOU.
SO IF, IF I MIGHT ADD TO THAT, WE DID THEM INTERNALLY A QUARTER OF THE POSITIONS AT A TIME, UH, WHILE MR. MCREYNOLDS WAS STILL HERE.
UNTIL THE RECESSION IN 2008, 2009.
AND THEN WE STOPPED DOING IT AND WE NEVER WENT BACK TO IT.
AND THEN WE DID THE COMPENSATION STUDY IN 2016 AS A WAY TO CATCH UP AND THEN IT WASN'T FUNDED OR TO IMPLEMENT IT.
AND THAT CAUSED ALL KINDS OF STAFF MORALE ISSUES BECAUSE, HEY, YOU DID THE STUDY.
I THINK I'M UNDERFUNDED AND MY POSITION'S UNDERPAID.
WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE STUDY? WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO IMPLEMENT IT.
AND TO YOUR POINT, SO THEY DIDN'T IMPLEMENT ANY OF IT.
AND AND TO YOUR POINT, MR. SHEPHERD, YOU
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ARE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THE, IN THE MAKEUP OF THE LOCALITIES.THE, THE ONE REASON THAT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO SEE IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT WE COMPETE WITH, THE LOCALITIES THAT WE COMPETE WITH FOR POSITIONS, IT'S NOT THE SOUTH HAMPTONS AND THE FRANKLINS.
IT'S THOSE LOCALITIES RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLACE THAT HITS US EXHIBIT.
AND SO THIS IS WHY IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU AND JUST LET YOU SEE, THIS IS WHERE WE STAND.
WE'VE GOT SOME REAL WORLD EXAMPLES MM-HMM
THEN I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RECALL THE SCOPE OF THE 2016 STUDY.
IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE WE HAD, AS, AS MR. FELMY SAID, WE HAD DONE A, FOR YEARS, WE HAD DONE A QUARTER OF THE POSITIONS EVERY YEAR.
SO EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU KNEW THAT YOUR POSITION WAS GONNA BE DONE, WAS REVIEWED, AND THEN ADJUSTMENTS MADE.
UM, AND THEN THE RECESSION IN 2000 10, 11, 12 HIT STEPS STOPS.
WE FINALLY GOT BACK ON OUR FEET IN 2016 AND DID THE STUDY.
BUT THEN AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT WASN'T FUNDED.
SO DID, DID IT INCLUDE JUST COUNTY STAFF OR DID IT INCLUDE FIRE? UM, IT INCLUDED SHERIFF, SHERIFF DEPARTMENT.
SO ONE OF, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE HAVE A, WE HAVE A STUDY WE'RE SITTING ON RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE, BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
SO ONE THING AT A TIME, BUT
LET'S SEE IF THIS DEPARTMENT IS FUNDED CORRECTLY, AS FAR AS SALARY.
AND THEN GET THAT ONE SQUARED AWAY AND THEN YOU MOVE TO ANOTHER ONE.
HOW DOES THAT HELP THE MORALE OF THE OTHERS IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS? SEE, THEY'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN ONE AT A TIME.
IT'S HOW YOU WANNA APPROACH THIS THING.
THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION OF THIS YEAR, BUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING IF WE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, DO DO IT BY PIECES.
WE WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE HOPEFUL BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN FUND THE PIECES.
YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FUND AN ENTIRE, UM, FUND, FUND THE RESULTS OF AN ENTIRE COUNTY STUDY.
SO I THINK THE STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY EVEN AT THAT IF, IF WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IT COMPREHENSIVELY OR GLOBALLY, I, I THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY TO SEE SOME PROGRESS, SOME PROGRESS.
THESE STUDIES GIVE US THE QUARTER OF 'EM MORE.
GIVE US THE SUPERVISORS, THE THREE QUARTERS KNOW THAT YOU'RE BEING CONSIDERED AT LEAST AS HELPFUL.
IT GIVES US THE SUPERVISORS, IT GIVES US SOME BASIS FOR COMMENTS, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE TO DO A, A 4% OR WHATEVER PERCENT PAY RAISE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US.
BUT IN TRUTH, IT'S STILL A GUESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU, 'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AROUND AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE INFLATION GOING ON AND WHAT'S EVERYBODY ELSE DOING.
AND BRUCE'S GETTING READY TO TAKE THE GUESTS AWAY.
THERE'LL BE NO DOUBT IN YOUR MIND ABOUT WHERE WE STAND.
IT COULD BE REALLY, REALLY UGLY.
IT'S STILL NOT GONNA
GIVE US A LITTLE BIT, HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF CANDY SUNSHINE.
YOU UP, WE'RE GIVING YOU CANDY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE GIVE YOU? OKAY.
SO, ALRIGHT, WELL LET ME, LET ME SHOW YOU.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, BUT BEFORE I GO ON MR. ROWAN, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE STAFFING STUDY, YOU'RE RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE, WE EVEN HAVE THE STAFFING STUDY WHERE THEY RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY ASSESSED OUR DEPARTMENTS AND WE'RE SHORT, WE NEED THIS MANY NEW POSITIONS.
AND IT DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THAT FIRST PHASE, AS YOU KNOW.
SO YOU KNOW, IT, WHILE WE CAN'T FUND IT, AND THAT'S NOT IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET THAT MR. BELLAMY RECOMMENDED, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CONDITIONS BY WHICH OUR EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF.
SO, OKAY, SO TO THE RIGHT, THIS IS AN ACTUAL SCREENSHOT OF AN AD THAT JAMES CITY COUNTY RAN FOR THE VERY SAME POSITION THAT WE JUST CALL CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE WORKER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THEIR RANGE.
NOW UNDERSTAND THEY'RE ADVERTISING FOR ONE SLASH TWO SLASH THREE, WHICH WE DO AS WELL.
AND SO THAT RANGE REFLECTS THE LOW END OF THE ONE AND THE HIGH END OF THE THREE.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE LOW END OF THE ONE, IT'S 36 3 87.
WE ARE 14% LOWER JUST OUT OF THE GATE WITH STARTING SALARY.
NOW ONE NOTE THAT WE PUT IN THE BOTTOM THERE, MR. BELLAMY JUST RECENTLY IN FEBRUARY, INCREASED OUR FULL-TIME MINIMUM SALARY FROM 27 5 60 TO 31 8 93.
HAD HE NOT DONE THAT, WE WOULD'VE BEEN 32% BEHIND JAMES CITY COUNTY.
AND THAT'S A CRITICAL POSITION.
AND THE REASON WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING THIS POSITION IS BECAUSE PUBLIC WORKS IS STRUGGLING WITH THESE VACANCIES TO NOT ONLY RECRUIT BUT TO KEEP PEOPLE.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS A BULK OF THE VACANCIES THAT THE COUNTY HAS AND WE ARE REALLY, REALLY LAGGING WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. BELLAMY AND I CHAT ABOUT, YOU
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KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE YORK COUNTY BE CONSIDERED AS A TOP CONTENDER AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE LOST A LITTLE BIT.UM, AND WE'VE EXPERIENCED THAT IS WE'VE MADE JOB OFFERS AND NOW THE CLIMATE IS THAT YOU MAKE JOB OFFERS AND PEOPLE TELL YOU, I'VE GOT MULTIPLE JOB OFFERS ON THE TABLE.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY THEY DON'T PICK YOUR COUNTY.
SO WE'VE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, WEEK BEFORE LAST, UH, BRIAN AND SUSAN AND I INTERVIEWED FOUR CANDIDATES.
I GOT ONE I OFFERED ABOVE WHAT THE PREVIOUS PERSON THAT HELD THAT JOB WAS MAKING TO GET THOSE PEOPLE.
AND I COULD ONLY GET ONE OUT OF THE FOUR.
AND WE GAVE THEM WHAT THEY ASKED.
WE GAVE THEM WITHIN THE REINS THEY ASKED FOR.
AND WHEN TWO OF THEM TURNED US DOWN, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY HAD TAKEN OTHER JOBS FOR MORE MONEY WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
YEAH, I MEAN, SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THE CLIMATE AND, AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE STRUGGLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, EVEN UH, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UM, DOUG DID SO GOOD REFERENCING HOW DO YOU ALL DECIDE BETWEEN WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TEACHERS OR COUNTY STAFF, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU REFERENCED HOW WE'RE BEHIND ON JAMES CITY COUNTY, WHICH IS AGAIN WHY WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU, WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO KEEP YOUR COUNTY LOOKING CLEAN, CUT OUR GRASS, YOU KNOW, GET OUR ROADS CLEARED.
THESE ARE THE JOBS THAT DO THAT.
AND THIS IS WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO SEE WHERE WE ARE.
AND I WANNA SHOW YOU ANOTHER ONE.
THIS IS ANOTHER POSITION THAT MR. KRIEGER STRUGGLES TO KEEP FILLED.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JAMES CITY COUNTY'S AD.
YOU CAN SEE IN YELLOW, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THEIR RANGES AND I'VE COMPARED IT TO OURS.
AND YOU CAN SEE FOR THE LEVEL ONE WE ARE 13% LOWER LEVEL TWO 10 AND LEVEL THREE SEVEN.
THAT'S JUST OUT THE GATE WITH STARTING SALARIES.
ARE WE NOT CORRECT THOUGH THAT JAMES CITY COUNTY, THIS DOESN'T COUNT THE FUNDING FOR THEIR THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY'RE GONNA GET AN INCREASE THIS FALL BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE THAT STAFFING STUDY.
SO ON ANOTHER SLIDE I'LL SHOW YOU THEY, OKAY, BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY'RE ON THE LIST.
IF I COULD GO BACK, THEY'RE ON THE LIST OF HAVING A COMPENSATION STUDY DONE.
IN FACT, THEY'VE HAD TWO IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
SO THAT FUNDING IS ALSO GOING TO IMPACT THESE AND GO EVEN HIGHER WHERE WE'RE NOT MOVING BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT AND BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT YET.
SO HERE IS NEWPORT NEWS, THIS IS THEIR ACTUAL AD FOR THE SAME ENGINEERING POSITIONS AND THERE'S THEIR RANGES.
WE ARE 10% LOWER IN ALL LEVELS.
'CAUSE THAT'S OUR COMPETITIVE NEIGHBOR.
AND SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING AND, AND IT'S, IT'S REAL.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE SHOWED YOU ILLUSTRATIONS THAT IT'S NOT JUST A CONCEPT.
AND SO TO BRIAN'S POINT, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL SNIPPETS OF THEIR PROPOSED BUDGETS WHO'VE COME OUT AND ANNOUNCED THEIR BUDGETS ALREADY.
AND THAT LITTLE ORANGE SIGN IN THE UPPER CORNER SHOWS YOU THAT THESE, THIS IS A LOCALITY WHO'S ALSO DONE A COMP STUDY INCREASE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A 3% RAISE AND A POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL 1% RAISE IN JANUARY.
YOU'LL SEE I'VE UNDERLINED, THEY'VE DONE A COMP STUDY RECENTLY.
SO THEY'VE GOT THAT FUNDING ON TOP OF A GWI THAT'S GONNA LIKELY HAPPEN FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO JUST FACTOR IN HERE IS GLOUCESTER COUNTY.
THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 3% COLA AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT BENEFITS IN THE SECOND HALF OF THIS PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE THEY'RE DOING A 12 POINT HALF PERCENT INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS.
AND GLOUCESTER IS ONE OF THE LOCALITIES THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS OF DOING A COMP STUDY.
THIS IS A SNIPPET FROM THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
THEY'VE ALSO JUST RECENTLY DONE A COMP STUDY.
HERE IS NORFOLK, THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
THEY ALSO ARE PHASING IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FUNDED COMP STUDY.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT GENERAL WAGE INCREASE.
AND THEY'RE BATTLING RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS AS WELL.
SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU YES SIR.
BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD, JUST RIGHT THERE IS FINE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU GAVE US COMPS, THEY ALL CAME FROM JAMES CITY, RIGHT? YES SIR.
OR DID I MISS ONE FOR THE POSITIONS? ONE FROM NEW NEWPORT NEWS? YES, SIR.
SO WHERE DO THE OTHERS STACK UP? BECAUSE AT SOME POINT JAMES CITY COUNTY IS GONNA HAVE ALL THEY NEED, OR NEW NEWPORT NEWS IS GONNA HAVE ALL THEY NEED.
SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US STACK UP TO WHERE WE'RE AT OPPOSED TO WHERE YOU JUST SHOWED US? 'CAUSE PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU PROBABLY JUST SHOWED US THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, I WOULD THINK.
I SHOWED YOU KEY VACANCIES THAT WE ARE
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BATTLING.LIKE MR. KRIEGER, HE HAS ONE FOURTH OF THE VACANCIES OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
BUT I'M SAYING YOU, YOU PROBABLY SHOWED US IF IT WAS JAMES CITY COUNTY, THEY'D PROBABLY PAY THE HIGHEST FOR THOSE POSITION.
SO HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS JUST THEIR RANGE, YOU SEE.
SO WE'RE JUST SHOWING YOU WHERE OUR RANGES COMPARE TO THEIR RANGES.
SO THIS ISN'T TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD HIRE THEM AT.
BUT I'M SAYING WHERE'S NEW NEWPORT NEWS AND WHERE IS HAMPTON AND WHERE'S THESE OTHER COUNTIES? SHE DID GIVE YOU THAT EXAMPLE WITH THE ENGINEERS.
THE ENGINEERS LOOK AT THE ENGINEERS.
I GUESS I'M MAKING THAT WE NEED TO GET A, A FULL VIEW OF ALL THE COUNTIES AROUND US OR CITIES YES, SIR.
THAT WE'RE STACKED UP AGAINST.
THAT'S THE CON THAT IS THE COMPENSATION STUDY.
THAT'S THE EXACT COMP STUDY WE HAVE TO DO.
SO THERE'S TWO PRONGS TO A COMP STUDY.
ONE WOULD BE THE INTERNAL EQUITY AND HOW WE FARE WITH THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES.
AND THE OTHER PIECES ARE PAY STRUCTURE.
SO COMP STUDIES WILL HAVE TWO PIECES, TYPICALLY, IF, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE THAT WE, WE REQUEST FOR THEM TO DO.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO TYPICAL PIECES IN A COMP STUDY.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WAYNE, IS TO HAVE OUR POSITIONS SURVEYED ACROSS THE MARKET, SEE WHERE WE FARE.
WE GET THOSE REQUESTS ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE OF THE LOCALITIES THAT ARE DOING THEM, AND THEY WANNA SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL OF OUR POSITIONS AND ALL OF OUR JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT A COMP STUDY WOULD DO.
THAT WE HAVE TO PAY A LOT FOR.
AND THEN BE ABLE TO FUND THE RESULTS.
HOW MUCH DOES THESE STUDIES COST YOU THINK MR. SHEPHERD? I THINK IN TODAY'S WORLD IT COULD EASILY COST A QUARTER OF 1,000,002 50 TO HAVE ONE DONE.
UM, MS. GOODWIN ACTUALLY DON'T GO GO THAT FAR.
IT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GO BY A QUARTER OF A MILLION TO GET AN ANSWER.
AND THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE OUT OF WHACK WE ARE, THE MORE IT'S GONNA COST US TO IMPLEMENT.
BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT DO ONE JUST TO DO IT.
IF WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO ACT ON ON IT HIGHER, DO NOT DO IT.
BECAUSE WHAT IT WILL DO TO THE MENTALITY OF THE STAFF IS, IS IT IT'LL JUST DESTROY THEM.
DON'T, DON'T DO ANY MORE THAN YOU'RE ABLE TO FUND THEM.
I I THINK WHAT YOU WERE DRIVING AT WAS A THOUGHT.
EVENTUALLY NEWPORT NEWS WILL FILL OUT THEIR POSITIONS MM-HMM
SO THEY WON'T BE ADVERTISING ANYMORE.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT THEIR, IT WON'T MATTER, PAY SCALE, NONE OF THIS IS GONNA MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ADVERTISING AND THEN WHEN THEY MAX OUT.
BUT, BUT I GUESS, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS FROM THAT IS NO ONE EVER MAXES OUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY LEAVES NEW ACTORS IN.
SO THERE'S, THAT'S, THERE'S ALWAYS AN AD OUT THERE.
SO THERE'RE EVERY LOCALE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE ATTRACTING PEOPLE.
AND, BUT EVEN IF YOU GET TO THAT SCENARIO WHERE EVERY LOCALITY IS FULLY STAFFED UP AND THEN THEY'RE NOT, UM, HIRING ANYMORE, WHO DO WE GET ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T MAKE THE CUT FOR THEM? POSSIBLY.
SO MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT LEFT A JOB BECAUSE THEY SEE A BETTER FUTURE AT YORK COUNTY.
AND AND THAT GOES TO THE QUESTION, WHAT OTHER AMENITIES DOES YORK COUNTY OFFER AS AN EMPLOYER THAT THE OTHER, THE OTHERS, YES SIR.
THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THOSE, THOSE, THOSE MAY BE SOME SOFT, UM, TERM, YOU KNOW, AMENITIES AS OPPOSED TO HARD DOLLAR MATCH.
BUT THAT, BUT IT IS ALL PART OF THE EQUATION.
MR. YOU WERE SPOT ON ACTUALLY, BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW WE CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECKS ON ALL OF OUR POSITIONS AND I CAN ATTEST TO YOU, HOW DID WE GET THIS JOB?
I CAN ATTEST TO YOU, THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICANT THAT WE GET IS ALSO IMPACTED BY OUR COMPETITIVENESS BECAUSE WE DO NOT GET THE TOP CANDIDATES.
AND SO THE QUALITY OF THEM, I CAN ABSOLUTELY SIT BEFORE YOU AND ATTEST, IF I COULD TELL YOU THE QUALITY OF THE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT WE GET.
THEY'RE NOT EMPLOYED HERE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE EMPLOYED HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
THE RESULTS OF THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, MR. SHEPHERD HAVE RENDERED THEM NON EMPLOYABLE HERE OF WHOM? OF THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE APPLIED FOR THESE POSITIONS IN PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THE QUALITY OF NET WE'RE SEEING RIGHT.
BUT DON'T YOU THINK THAT'S REGIONAL? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO YOUR COUNTY.
HOWEVER, THE TOP CANDIDATES, WHEN THEY RIGHT, WHEN THEY GO TO SEE WHAT JOB DO I APPLY FOR, THEY MIGHT APPLY FOR ALL OF 'EM AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH THE ONE, THEY'RE GONNA CHASE THE DOLLAR BECAUSE OF WHAT IT COSTS TO LIVE TODAY.
AND WE CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT THAT UNTIL WE BECOME A CONTENDER IN THE GAME.
AND SO THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A FIX ALL, IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE ACROSS THE BOARD.
THIS IS JUST PART OF THE CHALLENGES WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE FACE AND THAT, AND THAT MATCHES SOME WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO INCREASE THEIR STARTING SALARIES OR, YOU KNOW, SALARIES TO GET A BETTER QUALITY OF CANDIDATES.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE NOT COMPETITIVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING THE CANDIDATES THAT YES, SIR, WON'T, WON'T PASS THE, THE TEST.
RUN HOT AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT STUFF.
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BETTER QUALITY CANDIDATES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING TO RAISE THEIR STARTING SALARIES TO GET THE PEOPLE THEY WANT OR THEY CAN RELY ON.SO THAT KIND OF MIRROR, SO WHAT KIND SEE A MIRROR IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING THAT IN THE BUSINESS.
WELL, SO I MEAN, LISTENING TO THIS, SO MARK, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DID, DID YOU NOT PRESENT A BUDGET THAT WAS ADEQUATE FOR US TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS? I MEAN, YOU ONLY CHARGED YOU, I MEAN, YOU COME UP BEFORE SINCE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DAN, UH, WHAT I STARTED SAY DANNY, BUT, UH, UH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY IS ASKING FOR MORE DEPUTIES.
THAT'S ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S BE, THAT'S ANOTHER PENNY.
WHAT WOULD A WHAT WOULD, UH, INCREASING THE PAY JUST TO BE COMPETITIVE, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANOTHER PENNY? TWO PENNIES.
WHAT I MEAN, ARE WE GETTING, HOW FAR BEHIND DO WE HAVE TO GET BEFORE BEFORE IT BECOMES A CRISIS? THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
WELL, WHAT I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO DO IS WHAT, WHAT WE HAD HOPED IS LAY THE GROUNDWORK FOR A COMP STUDY DURING THIS BUDGET.
PUT THE SEED IN YOUR ID, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR HEAD.
AND THEN WHEN WE COME TO FY 27, MY HOPE IS WE'D BE IN A POSITION TO DO THAT.
AND NOT ONLY TO DO THE STUDY, BUT TO FUND IT.
BUT, BUT SO I, I MEAN, WE HAVE A PLAN.
UNDERSTAND ALL THAT TO MAY SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PAY RAISE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN, 7 CENTS, WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN 4 CENTS.
BUT THE POINT IS HOW FAR, HOW FAR DO WE GO? OKAY.
I'M SITTING HERE, I KEEP THINKING THE CHIEF AND THAT 2022 OR 24 FIREFIGHTERS HE HAD TO REPLACE.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST, THAT TO ME IS CRAZY.
AND THEN THE SHERIFF'S LOOKING BECAUSE HE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, HE ONLY HAS THREE TRAFFIC COPS.
OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE THE TRAFFIC COPS.
I'M GONNA, WE GONNA PAY WHAT WE CAN PAY.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DEAL.
BUT WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR OUR CITIZENS HERE? IF WE GOT THESE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE VALUABLE? YOU KNOW, I, I SAW THE PROPOSAL WHERE YOU TOOK, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND OFF FOR OR, UM, STORM WORK CREW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE SAME CREW THAT PICKS UP THE GARBAGE ALONG 31 34 17 VICTORY BOULEVARD.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT MY DISTRICT, THAT'S A PRIORITY.
THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, HAD TO COME IN AND FIGHT FOR A WHOLE CREW ONE.
ONE YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT KIND OF PROBLEM.
AND STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP PIPES THAT WE CAN'T GET BEAT ON TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO ARE THOSE EMPLOYEES MORE IMPORTANT THAN TEACHERS? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? AND SOMETIMES, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER GROUP.
RIGHT? THE POINT YOU'VE GOT BOTH SIDES HAVE TO TAKE CARE IS, I, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SIT HERE, WE CAN GIVE A, YOU DO KENTUCKY WINDAGE, WE, THE SUPERVISORS CONSIDER CAN, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT WE AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM, FROM, UH, OUR CONSTITUENTS.
BUT THESE ARE THE EXPERTS IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF GOVERNMENT, THIS IS A PARTICULAR AREA OF GOVERNMENT.
AND I'M JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I HEAR THESE BRIEFINGS AND I WONDER IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
SO HOW FAR DO WE GO? HOW FAR DO WE GO BEFORE SOMETHING REALLY HAPPENS BAD? HOW FAR DOES SUBSTANDARD PERFORMANCE GO BEFORE IT BECOMES A REAL PROBLEM? SO, TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION THAT YOU JUST ASKED ME, WE HAVE, IF YOU RECALL, CALL THE BOARD JUST RECENTLY ALLOWED ME TO UP THE CERTIFICATION PAY FOR PARAMEDICS.
THAT PUT US IN A GREAT POSITION IN FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, ASSUMING THAT THE FOLKS THAT COME ON BOARD HAD THE ASPIRATION TO BE A PARAMEDIC.
AS ROSE JUST TOLD YOU, WE RAISED THE STARTING SALARY FROM THE 1241 TO 15 15 33 PER HOUR.
SO WE, WE ARE, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS TO AVOID THE CATASTROPHE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA NEED SOME EXTRA HELP.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION TONIGHT, IS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 4% AND $500, BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, I I THINK WE'VE MADE A GOOD CASE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE MINIMUM WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING.
AND WE, WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS IMPROVING OUR POSITION, BUT WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO.
AND MAY I ADD TO THAT? I'M SORRY.
SO WHAT WAS THE 1533 IN HOUR FOUR? WHAT POSITION? MINIMUM OUR MINIMUM WAGE.
I'LL ALSO SHARE WITH YOU, WE'RE STILL BEHIND JAMES CITY COUNTY FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE IS YOU'RE GONNA BE BEHIND SOMEBODY PREFER SAY LIVING WAGE, BUT WE WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR NO, NO.
MINIMUM WAGE IS NOT MEANT TO BE A LIVING WAGE.
THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED LIVING WAGE MANY TIMES
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OVER THE YEARS.'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED, UM, CERTIFICATION AND TRAINING.
WHEN, WHEN WE PAY TO GET SOMEBODY TO PROVIDE PE SOME PEOPLE CERTIFICATION, LIKE THE PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION FORTH, IS THERE A, AN EXPECTATION OF TIME THEY WILL COMMIT TO STAYING IN THE COUNTY AFTER THAT CERTIFICATION? NO, SIR.
SHOULDN'T THAT BE THERE USED TO BE.
WHY NOT? I MEAN, WE WERE COMMITTING A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY COULD TAKE THAT TRAINING AND GO, YEAH, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MY OFFICE.
SO, AND THE CHIEF WILL HE, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO CHIME IN, HE'S WELCOME TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION.
WE, WE HAVE DONE THAT AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR THEM.
WE'VE, WE'VE LIVED THAT MODEL.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE AND THEY JUST MAKE THEMSELVES MISERABLE.
AND EVERYONE THAT'S AROUND THEM, THEY POLLUTE THE ENTIRE WORK ENVIRONMENT.
AND I'D ALSO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE ONE OF, WE WERE ONE OF THREE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT.
EVERYBODY ELSE BASICALLY HAS AN OPEN BORDER.
IF THEY WANT TO JUMP SHIP, THEY JUMP SHIP.
THE WAY WE NEED TO BE RETAINING PEOPLE IS PAY AND CULTURE.
IT'S NOT ONE, IF WE CAN GET PAY AND CULTURE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE KEY TO SOLVING THIS.
IIII DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
OR DO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT SELECTING WHO GETS THOSE CERTIFICATIONS? PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING TO INVEST THEIR TIME HERE IN YORK COUNTY AND NOT JUST EVERY, ANYBODY THAT ASK FOR IT.
HOW DO YOU JUDGE THAT? WELL, THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT SUPERVISORS THAT WORK WITH PEOPLE DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND GET TO GET A READ ON THOSE PEOPLE AT THIS MOMENT.
WE CERTAINLY COULD, UM, SET SOME PARAMETERS FOR THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I, AND I, I'VE SHARED THIS WITH THE CHIEF, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDELY KNOWN THIS IS, BUT IT IS MY DESIRE THAT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WE ADD PARAMEDIC TO THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.
SO IT'S REQUIRED OF THEM WHEN THEY COME TO WORK.
AND THERE IS CREDIT WE GET FOR INVESTING IN EMPLOYEES AT THAT LEVEL, AT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IF YOU HAVE A GREAT WORLD CULTURE AND YOU INVEST IN THEM WITH THAT KIND OF SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE, THEY'LL STAY, THEY'RE NOT JUMPING SHIP FROM PARAMEDIC TO PARAMEDIC.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE DRACONIAN ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A CERTAIN SUBSET OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SAYING, I CAN GO HERE.
AND THEN I, AS SOON AS I GET IT, I'M, I'M JUMPING SHIP.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ARE PURPOSELY USING THAT MM-HMM
AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME MORE THAN PEOPLE WHO GET IT AND PUT THE EARNEST EFFORT IN AND LIKE, AND THE CF OFFICERS ELSEWHERE.
AND, AND I MAY MISNAME SOME OF THESE, BUT AS I SAID, WE WERE ONLY ONE OF THREE OUTTA 17 LOCALITIES THAT WERE DOING THAT.
SO VIRGINIA BEACH NOT DOING IT.
NORFOLK'S NOT DOING IT, PORTSMOUTH'S NOT DOING IT, ET CETERA.
I KNOW HAMPTON IS, WE ARE ONE, UM, CHIEF, DO YOU RECALL WHO THE OTHERS WERE? NEWPORT NEWS AND WILLIAMSBURG.
CAN'T YOU, SO CAN'T YOU KIND OF SWEETEN THE POT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT ALREADY SHOWS UP AS CERTIFIED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH A CERTIFICATION.
THEY, THEY STILL HAVE A PROCESS IN THE END.
I THINK IF EVER, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S A COMPETITIVE POINT.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THE, THE LABOR MARKET WOULD DRIVE EVERYONE TO TRY TO GET TO THAT CERTIFICATION BECAUSE THIS IS THE, YOU GET MORE PAY IN THE JOB.
OKAY? NOW, IF YOU COME IN AND YOU GET YOUR CERTIFICATION AND YOU WOULD PREFER TO WORK IN NORFOLK, WELL THERE'S NOTHING ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT.
YOU CAN SAY, WELL, YOU WORKED TWO YEARS HERE, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, IT CAUSES ANOTHER PROBLEM.
BUT WE DO HAVE THAT IN PLACE, MR. SHIP.
WE DO HAVE A NEW HIRE INCENTIVE THAT WE PAY IF THEY COME WITH THE CERTIFICATION.
SO THAT MEANS THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA GO OUT AND TRY TO GET THE CERTIFICATION SO THEY COULD COME IN AND WORK.
SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A, I MEAN THAT WOULD ONLY BE A DEFINING MOMENT FOR IT FOR A PAY STORE.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME TO YORK COUNTY JUST TO GET A CERTIFICATION.
I WANT COME TO YORK COUNTY GET CERTIFICATION.
BUT IF THE, IF THE JOB IS OPEN, I WAS THINKING NOR THINK THEY WOULD GO OVER AND TRY THAT JOB AND THEN GET CERTIFIED THERE.
IF THEY OFFER CERTIFICATION OFTEN, ALL OF THEM ON DO THIS, ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS, ALL OF THEM.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT ALL THIS IS, WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS WHY THIS IS AN ISSUE'S COME UP BEFORE A LONG TIME AGO.
AND IT WAS THE POINT WAS THAT ALL THE, ALL THE JURISDICTIONS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER, WERE TRYING TO GET THESE CERTIFICATIONS.
SO EVERYBODY WAS, THAT WAS A POOL, IF YOU WILL.
AND I'D ALSO SHARE WITH YOU, CHIEF AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT CHIEF, YOU, I MIGHT ASK IF YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT FOR PARAMEDIC,
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BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT WE BRING ON BOARD TO BECOME FIREFIGHTERS THAT GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY, THEY DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO STAY WITH US FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.OTHERWISE THEY HAVE A FINANCIAL OBLIGATION TO US.
CHIEF WILL TALK ABOUT IT EARLIER.
SO, SO A NEW FIREFIGHTER HAS A FIREFIGHTER CONTRACT.
IF WE SPEND MONEY ON THEIR PHYSICAL, THEIR UNIFORMS AND PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, UH, AND THEY DON'T STAY HERE THREE YEARS AND THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REPAY AND IT'S PRORATED BASED ON HOW LONG THEY STAY HERE.
UH, WE, WE DO OFFER, UH, HIRING BONUSES FOR PRE-QUALIFIED FOLKS.
AND THERE ARE, THERE IS A REPAYMENT OBLIGATION THERE.
UH, IF YOU HAVE A PARAMEDIC, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AND WE HIRE YOU ONCE YOU GET THROUGH RECRUIT SCHOOL, IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED RECRUIT SCHOOL, YOU'LL GET A $4,000 BONUS FOR THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT PARAMEDIC BECAUSE IT COSTS US $10,000, EIGHT TO $10,000 TO PUT YOU THROUGH THE PARAMEDIC PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S A BONUS IF YOU COME TO US WITH, UH, HAVING ALREADY COMPLETED THE RECRUIT SCHOOL AND PARAMEDIC, IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, HIGHER, UH, BONUS.
AND THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO REMAIN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
THE, THE ONE THING ABOUT THE PARAMEDIC, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY COSTS, WHILE THERE'S A COST INVOLVED IN PROVIDING THE PARAMEDIC, UH, TUITION THAT WE, WE PAY FOR IT.
WE VIEW IT AS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE EMPLOYEE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL.
AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE HELPING US MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE THE VERY BEST SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I, I'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CALLS ARE EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES.
AND WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST EMS SYSTEMS IN THE, IN THE, I BELIEVE IN THE COUNTRY, CERTAINLY IN THE COMMONWEALTH TWICE.
WE'VE BEEN THE EMS AGENCY OF THE YEAR FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR PEOPLE.
AND AS LONG AS WE KEEP FOCUSING ON THE QUALITY OF PARAMEDIC PROGRAMS AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BECOME PARAMEDICS, OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
BUT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL IS BY BEING COMPETITIVE WITH SALARIES AND THINGS LIKE STIPENDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, AND WE ARE SEEING SITUATIONS WHERE IT MAY NOT BE THE STARTING SALARY.
IT MAY BE WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT YEAR TWO, THREE AND FOUR DOWN THE ROAD CAREER STEPS THAT WE COULD START SEEING OURSELVES FALLING BEHIND.
UH, AND WE, WE ARE VERY, UH, WE ARE IN THE JOB MARKET WITH VIRGINIA BEACH, RICHMOND, HENRICO CHESTERFIELD, JAMES CITY, NEW NEWS HAMPTON.
I MEAN, OUR FIREFIGHTERS WORK A 24 HOUR SHIFT.
SO, SO I FELT LIKE THEY'RE TRAVELING ACROSS THE HAMPTON ROAD BRIDGE TUNNEL EVERY SINGLE DAY DURING THE WEEK.
THEY'RE DOING IT DURING THE WEEKDAY, TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK.
SO OUR JOB MARKET IS MUCH, EVEN MUCH MORE WIDER THAN THE NORMAL JOB MARKET FOR A 40 HOUR WEEK EMPLOYEE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NOTHING TO HAVE FIREFIGHTERS THAT LIVE IN FRANKLIN OR FIREFIGHTERS THAT LIVE IN, IN RICHMOND OR HANOVER OR HENRICO, UH, TO COME TO WORK FOR US.
SO WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.
NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SHERIFF.
HE, HE DEALS WITH THE SAME THING AND 9 1 1 FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL, UH, BE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.
CHIEF, I HEAR, I HEAR I'VE HEARD THIS A LOT THAT, UM, PEOPLE COME TO LIKE, THEY COME TO WORK AT YORK COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A SAFER, NICER PLACE TO WORK.
I MEAN, I MEAN, AND I'VE ESPECIALLY, I HEAR THIS IN THE EDUCATION SIDE.
UM, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF FIREFIGHTERS? WHY DO THEY COME HERE? THERE'S GONNA GET LESS PAY? WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, PART OF IT IS JUST THE WORK ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY'RE IN.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WORK ENVIRONMENT.
YOU MEAN, HOW DO THEY MARK MARKET THAT WELL, NO, IF, IF I KNOW WE HAVE PROBLEMS KEEPING PEOPLE, WELL, CHIEF, ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.
YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR 24 RIGHT NOW.
HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE RETIREES VERSUS PEOPLE WHO LEFT? WELL, I DON'T, WELL, WE AREN'T SEARCHING FOR 24 RIGHT NOW.
WE, WE, WE FILLED, WE HAD 24 VACANCIES THAT INCLUDED RETIREES, UH, PREDOMINANTLY A MIX OF RETIREES AND, AND FOLKS THAT HAVE RESIGNED.
I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY MANY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE, WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT BACK IN HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE LEAVING TO JUMP SHIP TO GO TO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF PAY? THAT'S THE QUESTION BEING ASKED.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER WITH ME TONIGHT.
BUT IT IS, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF FOLKS LEAVE BECAUSE OF OKAY.
AND WHAT'S THE NUMBER? YOU GOT ANY GENERAL IDEA HOW MANY CITY COUNTY? 50%.
WHAT? I, HONESTLY, I WOULD HESITATE TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER TONIGHT ON WHERE WE WERE.
UH, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU HOW MANY THAT WAS, BUT, UH, I MEAN, I JUST, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, I'VE HAD FOUR
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PEOPLE RETIRE.UH, AND, AND, AND, BUT THEN YOU GOTTA FILL A POSITION.
IT, IT IS STILL THE SAME EQUATION.
YOU STILL NEED TO ATTRACT SOMEBODY IN THAT POSITION.
AND SALARY IS PART OF THAT ATTRACTION.
IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LOSING THEM DUE TO SALARY.
YOU'RE LOSING THEM DUE TO TO, BUT, BUT WE STILL HAVE VACANCY.
WE TRY I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THE VACANCY PART, BUT I WOULD SAY WE'RE CONCERNED IF WE'RE LOSING THEM BECAUSE WE'RE, SOME OF THE MAJORITY OF OUR LOSSES HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE RESIGNED AND NOT RETIRED.
ONE THING I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HERE, I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT BECAUSE I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND I SEE ALL THESE EMPLOYEES IN HERE, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, UM, I, I AM EXTREMELY PROUD OF ALL OF YOU GUYS.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S WORKED IN THIS COUNTY, HAS DONE IT JUST A TREMENDOUS JOB OF, OF DOING THE BUSINESS THAT THEY'VE GOTTA DO.
PAY, I THINK IS A REFLECTION OF RESPECT.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
BUT I I JUST, YOU'VE HEARD US AND ROSE THE WAY YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT PEOPLE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE EMPLOYED HERE AND STUFF.
LIKE THAT'S BECAUSE WE DO SET A STANDARD, YOU HAVE TO THAT THAT WE, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, PERFORMANCE, ATTITUDE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE'RE JUST NOT HIRING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET.
SO I DON'T WANT THE, I DON'T WANT THE, I DO NOT WANT THE EMPLOYEES, THE STAFF TO FEEL LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE WORKING FOR YORK COUNTY, THEREFORE THEY'RE SLUGS.
AND YOU KNOW, MR. SHE, TO THAT POINT, BACK IN THE DAY, THERE WAS A TIME HAD THESE INFLATION CHALLENGES AND THIS COST OF LIVING NOT BEEN AN ISSUE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE CHASING THE DOLLAR.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE GIVEN US FEEDBACK THAT THEY LEAVE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO.
BUT THEY HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE FINANCES.
YOU USED TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT WERE 40, 53, 40, 50 YEARS HERE.
AND THEY JUST WANTED TO BE BECAUSE THEY LIKED BEING IN YOUR COUNTY.
BUT WE STILL GOTTA ADDRESS THE PAY.
AND THIS, AND THE CERTIFICATION ISSUES ISN'T JUST THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
THERE ARE CERTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, I IT DEPARTMENT HAVE ALL KINDS OF CERTIFICATION THAT MAKES THEIR JOB ATTRACTIVE.
I THINK ROB'S GONNA START SEEING SPECIALIZED TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION.
IN FACT, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ONE, ONE THE NIGHT.
AS TECHNOLOGY DRIVES THINGS FORWARD, PEOPLE NEED TO GET TRAINED ON NEW TECHNOLOGY.
AND THEN SUDDENLY WHEN THAT PERSON GETS TRAINED, IT'S PROFICIENT.
THAT PERSON GETS VERY ATTRACTED TO ALL THE OTHER LOCALITIES.
THEY CAN JUST HIRE 'EM AND PLUCK 'EM IN.
SO IT'S, THAT'S WHY SALARY SUPPORT.
I, I STILL THINK WE LOOK FOR MR. BELLAMY TO COME BACK TO US WITH WHAT HE FEELS HE NEEDS IN TERMS OF A BALANCE BUDGET TO MEET THESE PAY ISSUE COMPENSATION ISSUE CHALLENGES.
WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY ON A CONSULTANT WHEN THE ANSWER'S OBVIOUS? I HEAR YOU.
I MEAN, AND THE OTHER PIECE THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, AS I TALK ABOUT PAY STRUCTURE AND CURRENT EMPLOYEES AND THEIR PAY.
SO PAY STRUCTURE IS ABOUT THE RECRUITMENT SIDE OF IT.
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE EVERY YEAR WE POSSIBLY CAN, WE DO INCREASE OUR PAY RANGES.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THAT TO JUST KIND OF MAINTAIN SOME CLOSENESS TO THE COMPETITIVENESS GOING ON IN THE MARKET.
BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO BE VERY CONSCIOUS THAT YOU DON'T INCREASE YOUR PAY RANGES MORE THAN YOUR GENERAL WAGE INCREASE BECAUSE THEN YOU SHRINK THE GAP BETWEEN NEW EMPLOYEES AND EXISTING AND IT CREATES COMPRESSION.
SO YOU, BUT BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN HAVE TO HAPPEN, RIGHT.
SO AS WE TRY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE AND, AND IT COSTS US SO MUCH MORE, AND THEN SOMETIMES WE DON'T EVEN GET 'EM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MESSAGE THEM.
AND SO IT COSTS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO THOSE THINGS, WHICH IS WHY WE JUST NEED, YOU KNOW, WE NEED YOU GUYS TO KIND OF KEEP THAT AS ONE OF YOUR PRIORITIES AT LEAST.
AND, AND ALL THE THINGS YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU NEED YOU GUYS TO GIVE US THE FOUNDATION UNDERSTOOD.
BY WHICH WE CAN ABLE MAKE A DECISION.
I MEAN, I MEAN I YEAH, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? WE, WE HAVE THAT WE DON'T NEED A COMPENSATION STUDY TO TELL US THAT WE'RE X AMOUNT BEHIND NEWPORT IS RIGHT.
WHY WOULD WE SPEND A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GIVE US SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE OUR HANDS ON OR CAN GET OUR HANDS ON? OKAY.
TO THAT, TO THAT POINT, WE KNOW WHAT THE SALARY ARE.
WE, WE, WE DON'T NEED A STUDY FOR THAT.
IF WE EVER DO A STUDY, IT SHOULD BE ON BROADER COMPENSATION ATTRIBUTES LIKE, UM, HEALTHCARE CONTRIBUTIONS.
UM, WHERE DID THE, LIKE, WHY, WHY DID THE, LIKE WORKING HERE ELSEWHERE WITH THAT DOWN THE ROAD, WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ANYTIME SOON.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT HERE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE ADS, WE CAN GO TO ANY, ANY OF THE COUNTY'S, UH, CITY'S WEBSITES TO GO, WELL, WHAT DOES THESE DEPARTMENT PAY? AND THAT TELLS US WHAT THE MARKET VALUE IS FOR ANY GIVEN THING.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY OF THESE JOBS ARE WE HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING THAT PUBLIC WORKS? WE
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GAVE YOU PROBABLY THE TOP THREE.GIVE ME ONE THAT FAIR? YES, THAT'S FAIR.
WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, WE ARE SOMEWHAT STRUGGLING WITH DEPUTY SHERIFFS, BUT EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T SEE IT IN THEIR VACANCIES, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF DEPUTY SHERIFFS THAT COME TO US FROM OTHER LOCALITIES TAKING LOWER PAY TO JUST COME WORK HERE.
THAT SPEAKS TO THE CULTURE THAT MR. BELLAMY WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF OVERTIME, AREN'T WE? WELL, WELL FOR THAT, BUT WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT NOW, WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE EMPLOYEE ITSELF.
SOME OF OUR SPECIALIZED POSITIONS WE STRUGGLE WITH, WHEN I SAY SPECIALIZED, LIKE WHETHER IT'S A PLANNER, WHETHER IT'S A CLASS AND COMP PERSON, HR, WHETHER IT'S A FINANCE PERSON, THOSE VERY SPECIAL TECHNICAL JOBS, IT HAS SOME CHALLENGES AS WELL.
UM, AND THE, THE RATE THAT WE ARE CREATING VACANCIES, IT'S TRYING TO KEEP UP AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A VICIOUS CYCLE.
I MEAN, SO IT IS ALL OF THOSE KEY POSITIONS, MR. DREWRY, THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU SEE JOBS THAT ARE ON OUR WEBSITE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OR THAT HAVE CONSTANT TURNOVER, AS MR. RONE SPOKE TO YOU NO SOONER, YOU FILL ONE, YOU GOT ANOTHER ONE GONE.
AND SO BETWEEN RETIREMENTS AND BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LEAVING FOR WHATEVER REASONS THEY ARE, IT IS JUST, IT IS JUST A VICIOUS CYCLE.
SO YOU LIKE TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT THE WHOLE PIG AT ONCE RIGHT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST, YOU KNOW, PICK A FEW JOBS AND GIVE A PAY RAISE.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT IS IF WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME, WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY? WHY AREN'T WE FOCUSING? SO SPEND A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU THE ONES THAT WE CAN TELL YOU THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE MOST AND THE MOST, UH, HAVE THE MOST RECURRENCE OF HAVING A PROBLEM.
I COULD, I COULD COME UP WITH 10 MORE IF IT, IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO YOU.
'CAUSE WELL, THERE ARE MORE, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE DECIDED TO HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT.
WELL, YOU HIGHLIGHTED IN FOUR REASONS.
SO IF YOU HIGHLIGHTED IN FOUR REASONS, THEN WHY AS, AS TOM WAS JUST SAYING, WHY AREN'T WE TAKING THE TOP THREE AND STARTING THERE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT THREE AND GO THERE.
INSTEAD OF PAYING $250,000 TO DO A STUDY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO, LET'S TAKE THAT $250,000 AND PUT TOWARDS WHERE WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PEOPLE.
BUT DID YOU GET THE MESSAGE? YOU GOTTA COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY NEED.
DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU? I DO.
I MEAN, A MILLION DOLLARS OR $2 MILLION.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TODAY.
WE'LL DECIDE WHETHER, HOW, YOU KNOW, WE MAY ARGUE OVER, NO, WE NEED TO PUT THE MONEY OVER THERE, PUT IT ON EMPLOYEES, BUT COME BACK AND GIVE US THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
I'D MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WE TAKE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND PULL THAT TOGETHER AND PRESENT A MIDYEAR CORRECTION, CORRECTION DISCUSSION.
THAT I, I'M, I'M ON THAT TIME.
I WOULD, I WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO SEE A A, A MEDIUM FOR EACH OF THESE, EACH OF THESE POSITIONS ACROSS THE BOARD, ACROSS OUR, OUR, OUR COMPETITIVE LOCALITIES TO SAY, HERE, HERE'S THE MARKET MEDIUM, HERE'S THE MARKET LOW, HERE'S THE MARKET HIGH.
AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHERE OUR PEOPLE FIT.
WE, WE CAN SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS TODAY, THANK YOU.
BUT AT LEAST WE'RE, WE RECOGNIZE WHAT THEY ARE.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF A MID-COURSE CORRECTION.
SIX MONTHS OUT, WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, HOW THE FUNDING COMES IN, UH, WHAT THE ECONOMY IS LIKE AND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO.
SO WE CAN'T RAISE, WE CANNOT RAISE TAXES MIDTERM, BUT WE CAN PLAN TO RAISE TAXES AGAIN IF NECESSARY.
AFTER WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME SOLID INFORMATION, WE'LL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO ADJUSTMENT.
WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
SO, SO WE MAKE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
WHERE ARE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY? WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
IF WE'RE OVER BUDGET, UNDER BUDGET, WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
I MEAN, I'LL BRING IT, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME OUT OF THE CIP OR THE RESERVES BECAUSE THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE DON'T NEED TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE YET.
SO THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT STRAIGHT SALARY.
SO WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THE FIREFIGHTERS UNION, ONE OF THE THINGS, THEY COME TO ME OR WHOEVER IS THE ADMINISTRATOR EVERY YEAR, AND THEY SAY, THESE ARE THINGS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE FIREFIGHTERS UNION.
SO THE THING THEY ASKED ME FOR THIS YEAR WAS A STEP RAISE.
SO THEY WANNA PUT STEPS BACK IN PLACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE STEPS MM-HMM
A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO.
AND WE WENT AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE
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WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT.WE COULDN'T, COULDN'T CONTINUE IT UNDER THE FINANCIAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS.
WE HAD SO THAT, THAT'S BEEN ASKED.
SO WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT STEPS ARE PART OF THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS AND THEY'RE SEEING THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE SHERIFF HAS MENTIONED THIS TO ME AS WELL.
THEY'RE SEEING THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ADD STEP RAISES TO THEIRS.
SO THEY GET THE GENERAL WAGE INCREASE AND THEN THEY GET A STEP INCREASE.
AND STEPS ARE OFTEN ABOUT A PERCENT, A PERCENT AND A HALF PER STEP.
AND THE STEP RECOGNIZES THEIR TENURE IN THE ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO BRING TO YOU, SO THINK ABOUT THE, JUST THE STANDARD GENERAL WAGE INCREASE, THROW STEPS ON TOP OF IT.
AND THEN YOU WANT HAVE THE MERIT CONVERSATION.
SO CAN YOU HAVE A MERIT CONVERSATION? THE END STEP CONVERSATION, DON'T THEY, DON'T THEY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE? YOU GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL WITH THE MERIT.
THIS, WELL, THIS'S IS WHY I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND BEING ASKED FOR OTHER THINGS.
IF THEY WORK GOVERNMENT, I HAVE TO SAY PERFORMANCE.
IT'S MY ONLY ISSUE, MR. IS NO WRIGHT.
AS YOU KNOW, WE, IN FACT, TODAY'S APRIL FOOLS DAY TODAY, WE LAUNCHED THE NEW PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW, THE REASON THAT YOU SAW IN THE STAFFING STUDY REPORT AND MR. BELLAMY'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR US TO WAIT THREE YEARS OUT.
'CAUSE WE JUST LAUNCHED A NEW SYSTEM COUNTYWIDE, WHICH IS AN UNDERTAKING OF THIS COUNTY.
AND YOU HAVE TO TRAIN PEOPLE ON HOW TO DO THEM CORRECTLY.
ON TIME AND CONSISTENTLY THERE'S STEPS.
AND UNTIL YOU DO THAT, IT OPENS TOO MUCH SUBJECTIVITY TO TIME FOR THIS PAGE ONE CONVERSATION.
SO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAYING NEVER, IT'S JUST SAYING NOT RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE LAUNCHING A NEW SYSTEM, THIS, OF THIS MAGNITUDE, YOU HAVE TO TRAIN EVERYBODY ON HOW TO DO THEM CORRECTLY BEFORE YOU TIE PEOPLE'S PAY TO IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING, AND THE, AND THE BERKELEY GROUP EVEN AGREED IT'S SOMETHING THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE DO, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE US A FEW YEARS TO GET THERE.
AND SO IF YOU GET THERE, THERE ARE SOME LOCALITIES THAT MERGE MERITS WITH STEP INCREASES.
THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE STEPS AND MERIT.
AND SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CAN FUND.
BUT AS A LOCALITY, JUST KEEP IN MIND, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FUND A GENERAL WAGE INCREASE, A STEP INCREASE A MERIT INCREASE, AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANNA THROW IN THERE.
AND SO AGAIN, IT JUST ADDS TO THE FUNDING RESPONSIBILITY ON WHATEVER WE DECIDE THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR US.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FUND THEM.
THE STEP INCREASE, AND WE WERE JUST, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN, IN BUSINESS.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS YOUR PERFORMANCE AND YOU ENDED UP WITH A BONUS.
THAT'S GENERALLY A BONUS THAT YOU GOT A PAY RAISE.
AND, AND, AND IF, AND IF, IF A COMPANY MADE A LOT OF MONEY OR MAKING MONEY, YOU MADE MONEY.
IF THE COMPANY WASN'T MAKING MONEY, THEN YOU KNOW THE RESULTS, YOU DIDN'T GET A BONUS.
AND, AND THE GOVERNMENT, I I I, I HAD NEVER SEEN A, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT DO YOU EVEN CALL IT? NOT THE, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THE STEPS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A GS SAY YOU'RE A GS 12, STEP TWO MM-HMM
AND, AND THEY, THE WHOLE PACE THING IS LAID OUT.
UM, I GUESS THEY COULD HOLD YOU BACK ON A STEP IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE A, UH, PERFORMANCE.
AND LOOK HOW THESE FREE STEPS GRADE.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD GRADE OUT IN THE JOB THAT WAS, IF THE JOB WAS A GS 12 OR 14, THAT'S AS HIGH AS YOU GO.
I MEAN, YOU COULD NOT EVER GET ANY HIGHER.
YOU WOULD THEN GET A, A, UH, ANNUAL, UM, INFLATION COST OF LIVING, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WOULD BE THROWN IN THERE.
ONCE YOU MAX OUT YOUR JOB, YOU MAX IT OUT.
BUT IN BUSINESS, YOU WOULD, YOU COULD, I MEAN, AS LONG AS I WAS IN BUSINESS, MAN, I TELL YOU WHAT, THE MONEY FLOWED YOU WERE MAKING, YOU WERE MAKING, YOU WERE GETTING THE BONUS, YOU WERE GETTING THE BONUSES YOU COULD GET.
I MEAN, IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, YOU WERE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU WERE A MANAGER OF BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, VICE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT, THAT'S, THAT WAS YOUR JOB.
BUT THE MONEY WAS ALWAYS COULD COME IN BECAUSE IT WAS THE BONUS OF HOW THE COMPANY WAS WORKING.
AND WE MAKE, OUR MONEY COMES FROM ONE PLACE, ESSENTIALLY IT COMES FROM TAXES OR SOME COMES OUT OF THE POCKETS OF SOMEBODY.
AND SO KEEPING OUR EMPLOYEES, I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE STEPS ARE IMPORTANT.
IF YOU'RE IN AN ENGINEERING JOB, I DON'T KNOW THE GRADE ENGINEERING STEP ONE OR YOU KNOW, YOU, AND HOWEVER MANY STEPS YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE IT.
AND, AND YOUR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION COULD DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WERE GOING UP A STEP.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN INCENTIVES OR SOME, WE WOULD CALL IT A WHAT, WHAT DO WHAT? SO WE DO CAREER LADDERS, CAREER LADDERS, LADDER.
WHAT'S STEP, DO CAREER LADDERS INTERNALLY THAT ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING?
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THE ATTRACTIVE PIECE ABOUT STEPS USUALLY IS THAT EMPLOYEES LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.BUT THE PIECE THAT PEOPLE OFTEN FORGET IS YOU CAN SEE IT ALL DAY.
AND, AND YOU HAVE A, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH 4%.
YOU CAN ONLY SPLIT THAT 4% SO MANY WAYS.
SO WE WERE FACING A 4% AND WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH IT.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA SPLIT 4% BETWEEN A GENERAL WAGE AND A STEP INCREASE AND A MERIT? IT CAN ONLY GO WITH SO MANY WAYS.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE ATTRACT FROM AN EMPLOYEE PERSPECTIVE OF SEEING STEPS, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND LOCALITY HAS TO FUND IT.
AND I'VE BEEN IN LOCAL COUNTY WHERE IT'S FROZEN AND THEY FREEZE THEM BECAUSE, OR THEY SKIP A STEP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, AS WE SHARE WITH YOU, THE AVERAGE STEP INCREASE FOR THE AVERAGE MARKET THAT WE'VE SEEN IS 2.5%.
BUT IT IS MOSTLY FOR SWAN PUBLIC SAFETY.
THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA BEACH, PCOS, AND HAMPTON, CHESAPEAKE, THEY ALL ARE DOING STEPS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT NOT FOR THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE, THE NON-PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST A, IT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT, BUT I THINK WE GOTTA BITE THE ELEPHANT FOR WHAT WE GOT FIRST BEFORE WE ADD ON THOSE OTHER PIECES AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO GET.
I THINK FIRST THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION I'D MAKE TO MR. BELLAMY.
YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA LOOK AT TRYING TO GET US IN THE RIGHT PLACE FIRST AND THEN ADD ON TO THOSE THINGS.
I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THE SOLUTIONS TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S GETTING US TO THE RIGHT PLACE FIRST AND THEN MAYBE ADDING ON THOSE THINGS.
BUT BACK, BUT BACK TO YOUR, YOUR POINT.
I, I BELIEVE THAT PERFORMANCE-BASED BONUSES AND, AND MERIT INCREASES WILL ABSOLUTELY WORK IN GOVERNMENT AS IT DOES BUSINESS.
REVENUE SOURCE IS THE REVENUE SOURCE, WHETHER IT BE TAXES OR THE PRODUCTS YOU THAT YOU MAKE AND SELL.
BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA RECOGNIZE AND AWARD PEOPLE WHO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE DIALING IN, DIALING IN, OR NOT GETTING IT DONE.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T PAY EVERYBODY.
THE THE SAME THING WHEN YOU GOT THIS PERSON HERE WHO'S GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND HE GETS, AND HE GETS THE SAME BONUS AND MERIT INCREASE AS THE GUY HERE WHO YOU, YOU GOT TROUBLE EVEN SHOWING UP TO THE OFFICE.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU NOT SKIP A, A STEP? NO, NO, NO.
THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS PERFORMANCE.
THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, THAT MAY, THAT MAY ADDRESS WHAT I MEAN, THE LOW PERFORMER.
BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT A HIGH PERFORMER.
THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR THAT HIGH PERFORMER TO WORK ANY HARDER THAN AVERAGE IF ALL HE WOULD EVER GET IS AN AVERAGE INCREASE IN THE STEP.
BECAUSE HE IS BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS.
WELL WARN THE PEOPLE FOR THE WORK THEY DO NOT FOR THE TIME THEY SPEND ON THE JOB HAS TO BE MERIT BASED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE SYSTEM, YOUR CAREER LADDER ADDRESS TIME.
'CAUSE AS YOU, AS YOU BUMP UP INTO A PROMOTION FORTH, RIGHT.
AND MEETING, BUT STEPS, ALL STEPS.
RO IS JUST, YOU BREATHE IN, IN THAT SPOT FOR A YEAR.
STEPS OR STEPS CAN BE USED AS PERFORMANCE AWARDS TIED.
THAT'S WHAT I, IT'D BE TIED TO IT.
BECAUSE IT'S A PAY INCREASE BECAUSE YOUR PERFORMANCE IS SUCH, THEN YOU COULD STEP UP.
NOW WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD TIMES WITH LIKE THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. THEY HAD NO STEPS AFTER, GOT A POINT.
THEY USED TO HAVE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, A BUNCH OF 'EM.
WELL, THEY DID THEN I THINK IT GOT EM BACK, BUT THEY WERE NO STEPS.
AND BECAUSE THEY GOT COMPRESSED AND THAT'S WHEN THAT CAUSED A REAL PROBLEM.
UM, SO THE BONUS, THE X THE INCENTIVE THING, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN IT GOVERNMENT.
YOU HAVE TO, UM, I JUST HAVE TO SEE IT, HOW IT WORKED OUT.
YOU COULD SKIP, YOU CAN SKIP STEPS.
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT IN MANAGEMENT FOR STEPS.
YOU WRITE THE RULES FOR IT TO GET THE EVALUATIONS DONE BY, BY THE, BY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THEIR, THEIR MANAGERS.
AND HOWEVER YOU WANT TO, HOW YOU BUILD IT HOWEVER YOU WANT IT.
THAT'S, I GIVE YOU ONE MORE PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S NOT BERKLEY'S DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE HELD OUT FOR THREE YEARS, THAT WAS COMPLETELY OUTTA LINE.
THAT WAS NOT THEIR JOB TO COME COMMIT AND DO THAT.
AND I'M, I'M VERY UPSET WITH THAT.
I THINK THE SCOPE WAS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON EFFICIENCY AND OPERATIONS.
BUT NOT ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU PUT A PERFORMANCE SYSTEM IN THE BOARD ASKED FOR IT.
IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE OVERRUN OR OVERRULED BY BERKELEY.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEIRS IS GONNA BE OVERRUN.
I'M NOT RUNNING OFF IMPLEMENTING BERKELEY STUFF WITHOUT TALKING TO YOU GUYS.
BUT I, I AM I'VE HEARD IT, I'VE HEARD IT ENOUGH TIMES NOW THAT BERKELEY SAID, AND I'M, AND I'M A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATED WITH THAT POINT.
AND, AND, AND WE HAD, SO WE PAID AT THE END.
AND I, I CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS LEFT UNANSWERED IN THAT STUDY.
BUT WE'LL GET, WELL, MARK, THE STUDY IS NOT A BLAME.
YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT BLAMING YOU FOR THE STUDY.
THEY GAVE US, WHAT THEY GAVE US, WHAT THEY GAVE US.
WHETHER WE, WHETHER IT GETS IMPLEMENTED EVENTUALLY WOULD BE ON A RECOMMENDATION.
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RAISE THE MONEY TO MAKE IT WORK, OKAY.I MEAN, THAT'S HOW, IT JUST HAS WHOLE SYSTEM TO ALWAYS RECOGNIZE THAT.
BUT I DO WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO.
SOMETHING ABOUT IT MAY TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET TO THE IMPLEMENT.
THAT IT, IT GETS IMPLEMENTED NEXT YEAR.
WE, WE PUT IT IN PLACE THIS YEAR.
YOU'VE TRAINED PEOPLE THIS YEAR ON HOW TO WRITE REVIEWS AND, AND ASSIGN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND SO FORTH.
SO NEXT YEAR PEOPLE SHOULD BE EVALUATED AGAINST THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT THEY WERE ASSIGNED.
I'D, I'D LIKE SOME TIME TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU ONE-ON-ONE.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR TOO, BECAUSE I GETTING TAKEN THREE YEARS TO GET THIS DONE.
I, I THINK THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
BUSINESSES DO IT ALL THE TIME.
YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT, YOU GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING DO.
SORRY, YOU AND I ARE GOING DISAGREE ON THAT BECAUSE BUSINESS IS PROFIT ORIENTED.
WE ARE BUSINESS AND AUDIENCE AT ANYWAY.
I THINK WE'VE REALLY EXHAUSTED THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW.
ROSE, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS TO COVER.
I STILL HAVE TO DO THE BENEFIT TAB.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES? WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE BENEFITS YET,
WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE IF THE BOARD WOULD LET YOU GET TO THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE VERY NICE.
SO WOULD YOU PLEASE CONTINUE THEN? WE CERTAINLY CAN.
WELL, DON'T ASK FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T WANT ANSWERS.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT I ENDED ON, WHICH IS TO SHOW YOU THIS, THIS WAS OF COURSE MR. BELLAMY'S RECOMMENDED GWI.
AND AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, LAST YEAR, WE SHOWED YOU HOW THE PERCENTAGE REALLY BENEFIT THAT THAT FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, IT BENEFITS THE LOWER PAID EMPLOYEE.
AND SO THIS IS JUST EVIDENCE TO SHOW YOU HOW THE PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER FOR THE, THE LOW END OF THE SALARY VERSUS THE HIGH.
SO DOES THAT RESONATE WELL WITH THE PEOPLE ABLE TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND THAT? YES.
IT'S WORTH MORE TO A LOWER SALARY, THAT FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND SO AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE
SO LET'S DIVE INTO THE BENEFITS OVERVIEW.
UM, AS YOU DIVE INTO HERE, THIS IS JUST TO TELL YOU, WE ARE SELF-INSURED TO REMIND YOU FROM MEDICAL AND DENTAL.
UM, THE BEAUTY OF BEING SELF-INSURED IS IT TYPICALLY DOES LOWER OUR COSTS.
WE DO HAVE STOP-LOSS INSURANCE, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO CUSTOMIZE OUR PLANS TO THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THE RISK OF THAT IS THAT WE PAY CLAIMS. MM-HMM
UM, SO YOU HAVE STOP-LOSS TO HELP BUFFER THOSE.
BUT WE DO PAY CLAIMS. AND SO WE ARE TOTALLY THE ONES WHO ABSORB THE RISK.
UM, BUT IT DOES OVERALL SAVE MONEY, WHICH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR I'M SURE WOULD AGREE WITH.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE IN THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE CURRENTLY OFFER.
YOU ALL KNOW THEM, I'M SURE VERY WELL.
SO WE HAVE AN HSAA HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
WE HAVE AN OAP, WHICH IS JUST LIKE A POS PLAN, WHICH IS A POINT OF SERVICE PLAN.
AND WE HAVE OUR POST 65 PLAN THROUGH HUMANA MEDICARE.
AS YOU LOOK AT OUR PARTICIPATION, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU OUR CURRENT ENROLLMENT.
SO ENROLLMENTS FROM LAST YEAR MM-HMM
AND YOU CAN SEE THE BULK OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE IN THIS OAP PLAN.
THIS IS THE POINT OF SERVICE PLAN VERSUS A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, BUT IT IS SUITABLE FOR SOME PEOPLE.
AND SO WE HAVE THE POWER OF CHOICE OFFERING BOTH OPTIONS.
YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE WE ARE FAMILY FRIENDLY, YOU DO SEE THE IMPACT AS YOU SEE IN THESE GRAY AND ORANGE PIECES OF PIE WHERE THE SPOUSES AND CHILDREN MAKE UP A GOOD PORTION OF OUR ENROLLMENT IN ADDITION TO THE EMPLOYEES.
THIS IS OUR POST 65 RETIREE SLIDE, WHICH IS AGAIN, SHOWING YOU A SLIGHT UPTICK IN THE ENROLLMENT.
AND SO AS PEOPLE RETIRE, THIS IS A PLAN THAT THEY CHOOSE TO CONTINUE WITH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF THEY'VE GOT 20 CONSECUTIVE YEARS OR MORE WITH THE COUNTY, THEY GET HALF OF IT PAID BY THE COUNTY.
AND SO IT'S A NICE BENEFIT FOR THEM AND THEIR SPOUSES.
THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE DID THIS CALENDAR YEAR FOR THE BENEFITS.
AND SO YOU MIGHT RECALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, WHEN WE WERE IN THE LAST BUDGET PROCESS, ACTUALLY WE DID DO THE 2% FOR EMPLOYEES.
AND THE COUNTY ABSORBED THE 12% OF THE RATE INCREASE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE AT THAT TIME.
UM, WE DID IMPLEMENT A NEW STANDALONE VISION PLAN FOR ACTIVE EMPLOYEES IN THEIR DEPENDENT.
IT WAS A VERY WELL RECEIVED PLAN.
LOTS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK, AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PLAN, NO COST FOR THE COUNTY, 100% EMPLOYEE PAID.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE DID IMPLEMENT.
AS WE TALK ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE PROPOSED.
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IN MR. BELLAMY'S PRESENTATION FOR HIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET, WE DID PROPOSE AN 8% INCREASE.
AND THAT'S FOR EMPLOYEE AND FOR EMPLOYER.
AS WE TALK ABOUT THE 8% INCREASE, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
AS I SHARE WITH YOU THE MEDICAL TREND, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROKERS OFTEN HELP EMPLOYERS UNDERSTAND.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS LOOKS LIKE.
MEDICAL TREND RIGHT NOW FOR PUBLIC SECTOR IS RANGING FROM 10 TO 15%.
SO OUR 8% IS UNDER MEDICAL TREND MM-HMM
AND IT'S LESS THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IN THE RATES WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS IT IMPACTS EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND THAT'S A PROPOSED RATE
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INCREASE.SO I CAN KIND OF GET YOU TO SEE THAT.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY HEALTH INSURANCE IS A VALUE PROPOSITION FOR EMPLOYEES IN PUBLIC SECTOR.
IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SEEK PUBLIC SECTOR IS FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE AND RETIREMENT IN ADDITION TO THE PAY.
AND SO WITH OUR CURRENT STATUS AND CONDITION OF COMPENSATION, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU DECREASE THE PLAN COVERAGE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN ORDER TO TRY TO REDUCE THIS 8%.
BECAUSE THAT, AGAIN, IS TAKING AWAY YET SOMETHING ELSE FROM OUR EMPLOYEES THAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS VERY VALUED IN PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO AS WE LOOK AT THE 8%, THIS IS EFFECTIVE GENERAL, AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THESE RATES THAT YOU SEE ARE MONTHLY.
OKAY? SO AS YOU TAKE A AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE, YOU GOTTA DIVIDE THESE IN HALF TO BE PER PAY PERIOD.
SO THE TAN COLUMNS ARE THE PROPOSED INCREASE OF THE 8%, LETTING YOU SEE WHAT THE RATE INCREASE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND IN RED IS THE DELTA INCREASE.
SO IF YOU TAKE OUR MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS FAMILY POS PLAN, AND YOU DIVIDE THAT IN HALF, $23 AND 50 CENTS WOULD BE THE MONTHLY INCREASE FOR THAT LEVEL OF COVERAGE WITH THIS 8% PROPOSED INCREASE.
OKAY? AND AS YOU CAN SEE, EMPLOYEE ONLY WOULD BE $2.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR DENTAL PLAN, WE DO HAVE TWO DENTAL PLANS.
ONE'S A PPO PLUS PREMIER, ONE'S AN EPO, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT IN DYNAMICS.
SO OUR PPO PLUS PREMIER PLAN, THIS IS A PLAN THAT'S GONNA HAVE A LARGER NETWORK.
THIS IS A PLAN THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN ANNUAL DEDUCTIBLE AND AN ANNUAL MAXIMUM.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERAGE FOR BASIC SERVICES, 80% FOR MAJOR, 50% FOR, UM, HIGHER LEVEL SERVICES.
IT, IT'S JUST WITH US, THE WAY WE HAVE OUR RATE SET, YOU ONLY TALK IN A TWO TO $3 DIFFERENCE PER MONTH IN THE TWO PLANS.
SO THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE ARE IN THIS PPO PLUS FIR.
AS YOU WILL SEE, WE HAVE ALMOST 2300 PEOPLE IN THAT PLAN WITH ONLY 52 IN THE EPO PLAN.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION, ROSE, HOW MANY CLINICS OFFER THIS PLAN? UH, IN NEW YORKTOWN AREA? WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD PROBLEMS IN WILLIAMSBURG, WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE, WHERE THE CLINICS HAVE OPTED OUT OF, UH, DENTAL DELTA DENTAL INSURANCE.
AND, AND IF YOU GO DOWN THEIR LIST OF OTHER SUBSCRIBERS WHO OFFER DELTA DENTAL IN WILLIAMSBURG, THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY FULL.
SO ARE YOU RUNNING INTO THAT PROBLEM HERE IN YORKTOWN? SO, WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE FINDING, AND, AND IT'S SORT OF AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS.
WE, WHEN WE ASK AND RESEARCH WHY PROVIDERS DROP OUT OF THE DELTA DENTAL NETWORK, WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THEY'RE DROPPING OUT BECAUSE DELTA DENTAL WON'T ALLOW THE RATES TO GO UP DROPPING THE RATES YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO THEY SO UNDERSTAND THIS DYNAMIC.
THE PROVIDERS, THE DOCTORS, THE DENTISTS, THEY WANT TO RAISE THE RATES, WHICH WOULD IMPACT THE CLIENTS LIKE US, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD COST OUR EMPLOYEES MORE TO HAVE THAT COVERAGE.
DELTA DENTAL TRIES TO MAINTAIN THOSE RATES AND NOT ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE, TO ALLOW OUR COSTS TO STAY REASONABLE.
AND SO THEY DROP BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING HIGHER RATES.
IT IS WHAT WE FIND, AND IT IS IMPACTING YOUR COUNTY.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE.
WHEN THERE ARE PROVIDERS THAT NEGOTIATE AND THEY DON'T AUTOMATICALLY RENEW.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE DOLLAR.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND HOW TO GET MORE MONEY.
AND YOU HAVE THE VENDORS WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT REASONABLE FOR THE CLIENTS TO STAY IN BUSINESS WITH THEM.
AND SO WE FIND IT THE SAME IN MEDICAL.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE HIGH COST THAT EMPLOYEES ARE FACING.
THE PROVIDERS ARE FACING THE SAME THING.
AND SO AGAIN, WE SEE THAT AS WELL.
I THINK, I THINK WHERE THE EMPLOYEE IS CONCERNED THOUGH, I'LL, I'LL SPEAK AS AN EXAMPLE MM-HMM
UM, WHEN I SEE MY COST TRIPLE, BECAUSE THE CLINIC WILL NO LONGER PROVIDE MY COST OF COVERAGE, UM, I, I GET WORRIED.
I GET WORRIED THAT I, THAT I'M PAYING FOR A DENTAL PLAN THAT I'M NOT ABLE TO UTILIZE MM-HMM
AND IT HAPPENS TO BE A DENTAL EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK THE SAME IS TRUE IN MEDICAL.
UM, IF THE INSURER IS, IS BEING SOLD PENNY, PENNY PINCHING THAT, UH, THAT THE CLINICS ALL DROP 'EM AS INSURERS.
IT LEAVES, IT LEAVES PATIENTS.
EMPLOYEES LEFT HOLDING THE BACK.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
AND THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS, ONE, UM, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD, IF THEIR PROVIDER IS DROPPING, THEY'LL SEEK WHO THAT PROVIDER WOULD REFER THEM TO.
'CAUSE THEY TRUST THEM, YOU KNOW, IN MOST CASES, RIGHT.
SO THEY'LL FIND SOMEBODY WHO'S IN NETWORK SO THAT THEY CAN REAP THE BENEFITS OF OUR PLAN.
THE OTHER OPTION IS IF WE DO GO OUT TO BID FOR IT, WE MIGHT FACE THE SAME THING, BUT WE COULD GO OUT TO BID, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, GET A NEW VENDOR, AND STILL FACE THE SAME THING.
AND SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S, AGAIN, THE SAME WITH MEDICAL.
YOU KNOW, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HAPPY.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET A HUNDRED PERCENT PEOPLE HAPPY WITH THE PLAN.
WE CAN GO GET A DIFFERENT VENDOR AND STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, JUST A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE.
AND SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO CONSIDER THAT WE CERTAINLY CAN EXPLORE, UM, AS A COUNTY AND, AND SEE WHAT IT DOES.
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KEEP GOING AND GET YOU OUTTA HERE, THE DENTAL RATES, THIS IS AGAIN, MONTHLY TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACT OF THE 8% ON DENTAL.THE TAN COLUMN AGAIN, SHOWS YOU THE RATE INCREASE OF THE 8%.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A DOLLAR PER PAY PERIOD OR 50 CENTS PER PAY PERIOD.
AND SO THIS IS VERY NEGLIGIBLE.
UM, SO TO WRAP UP, THIS IS ABOUT WELLNESS INITIATIVES.
AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE SELF-INSURED.
SO WELLNESS IS A KEY PIECE TO WHAT WE DO BECAUSE WE TRY TO HELP KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES HEALTHY AND WELL.
UM, AND THIS ISN'T JUST PHYSICALLY, THIS IS ALSO MENTALLY.
AND SO IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, WE DID ADD AS ENHANCEMENT AN ONSITE EAP COUNSELOR TO THE COUNTY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUNSELOR THAT COMES TO YORK COUNTY AND THEY GO TO FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ONCE A WEEK.
EVERY WEEK FOR THE MONTH, THEY GO TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND WE ROTATE 'EM.
AND SO THEY GO TO THE HIGHLY UTILIZED PLACES WHERE THEY COULD NEED THEM.
AND THAT'S SHERIFF 9 1 1 PUBLIC WORKS.
AND THEY COME TO HR FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO JUST COME AND, AND HAVE A CONFIDENTIAL PLACE TO COME.
AND I WILL TELL YOU OUT OF THE GATE, THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN AMAZING.
AND THE COUNSELOR HAS EVEN SAID SHE'S NOT SEEN HOW QUICK THIS PROGRAM TAKES ON.
AND SHE'S BOOKED IN THE FOUR HOURS THAT SHE COMES TO THESE LOCAL, TO THESE LOCATIONS.
UM, AND SO IT'S VERY WIDELY UTILIZED.
IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO OUR EMPLOYEES.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT, AS YOU KNOW, WE BATTLE THE WELLNESS, WE BATTLE THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE OF IT.
UM, IT'S IN FACT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MARK AND I WERE JUST RECENTLY TALKING ABOUT IS YOU TALK ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE UTILIZATION, THE TREATMENTS, THE PROCEDURES, NOT ONLY IS IT CANCER AND THE CHRONIC CONDITIONS, IT'S ALSO THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE OF IT THAT WE PAY FOR.
AND SO YOU SEE ALL THE COMMERCIALS ON TV.
I MEAN, THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE.
SO THESE WELLNESS THINGS ARE REALLY KEY TO US.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT WE ARE, WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE LOTS OF INITIATIVES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO HELP DRIVE THESE THINGS THAT KEEP OUR FOLKS WELL AND HEALTHY AS BEST WE CAN.
AND SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE PIECE THAT'S REALLY NICE.
AND, AND OUT OF ALL THE LOCALITIES OUTSIDE OF ONE WHO BRINGS THEM ONLY ON AS NEEDED BASIS, YOUR COUNTY IS THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT PROVIDES AN EAP ONSITE COUNSELOR LIKE THAT TO OUR FOLKS.
SO I DIDN'T SEE THE ANNUAL CHILI COOKOFF ON THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A UNITED WAY EVENT.
NO ONE TOLD ME ABOUT IT LAST TIME.
AND DON'T DON'T THAT BOTHER YOU.
UM, I THINK WE HEARD MENTIONED IN A FEW BOARD MEETINGS, UM, THAT MAYBE WE CONSIDER ADDING SOME LEGAL SERVICES OR PET INSURANCE.
THESE OPTIONS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE COUNTY.
IF WE WERE TO ADD THOSE TO OUR PORTFOLIO, WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT TO EXPAND OPTIONS OF CHOICE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND OUR WELLNESS.
WE OWE YOU A PROPOSED PLAN FOR WELLNESS DAYS, BUT THIS IS OUR PRESENTATION AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE I GET OUTTA YOUR WAY, UM, WE WILL CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THEM.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU WISH YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY? NO, I AM.
NO, I'M SORRY, MRS. NOEL, I WASN'T SUPPOSED, I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE ROSE DEPARTS? NO.
BEST, BEST MOVIE WHILE YOU CAN GETTING OUT.
[2* Tabb High School Crosswalk. Presentation by Elizabeth Mertz-Guinn, Engineering Manager. ]
WE'VE GOT IS SAM HIGH SCHOOL CROSSWALK,CAN WE TURN THE HEAT ON
THAT WAS FREEZING IN THE HOT SEAT HERE.
PASS THE CANDY THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND LET ME KIND OF GIVE YOU AN INTRODUCTION FOR THIS.
SO, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, UH, DURING, DURING BOARD MEMBERS' COMMENTS, UH, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, MR. SHEPHERD.
SO TONIGHT IS THE EVOLUTION OF WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND BDOT ON THIS PARTICULAR TASK.
SO BETH'S GONNA PRESENT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE TAB HIGH SCHOOL, UM, CROSSWALK AND THE PLANNING STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FOR THE WALKERS TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, UM, STAFF BEGAN TO LOOK INTO THIS CROSSWALK SITUATION AFTER A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS WITH CASEY RIVERA, WHO RESIDES AT 1405, WHICH IS THIS LOT RIGHT HERE,
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YORKTOWN ROAD.THE RIVERA'S ARE 200 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF YORKTOWN ROAD AND BIG BETHEL, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL.
MRS. RIVERA SHARED WITH US HOW HER SON WHO IS ATTENDING THERE WAS TOLD THAT TAB WAS A NON WALKING SCHOOL AND THAT HER SON WOULD BE BREAKING SCHOOL POLICY IF HE CONTINUED TO WALK TO SCHOOL.
AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. SHEPHERD AND GREG DOLA AT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WE, UM, WORKED UP A PLAN TO CREATE A SAFE PATH TO SCHOOLS FOR STUDENTS WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE CAME UP WITH, UM, WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS OPTIONS, PLANNING OPTIONS TO ENSURE SAFEST, MOST EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS.
SO THIS IS OPTION ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT, WHICH WAS THE CLOSEST TO THE RIVERA HOUSEHOLD.
THEN WE WENT AND, UM, EXAMINED OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION TIDE MILL.
AND WE DID LOOK AT A THIRD OPTION, WHICH WAS UP THE ROAD WHERE THE ROAD WAS NARROWER, JUST IN CASE THAT WAS A SAFER PLACE TO CROSS OPTIONS TWO AND THREE, BOTH CONNECT TO, UM, THE YORKTOWN ROAD SIDEWALK PROJECT, WHICH WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION THIS SUMMER, WHICH IS THIS BLACK LINE THROUGH HERE CONTINUES OFF THE PAGE AFTER EVALUATION OPTION TWO WAS CHOSEN MM-HMM
WE, THE, THE OPTION WAS APPROVED BY THE SCHOOL BOARD STAFF.
WE SKETCHED UP THIS TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE CROSSWALK AND THE WARNING SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED.
AND WE SUBMITTED THIS, UM, OPTION TWO VDOT FOR EVALUATION.
UH, ROSSI CARROLL AGREED TO DO THE SAFETY EVALUATION FOR US HIMSELF.
SO THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT CAME BACK.
HE, HE'D ALSO CONCURRED THAT HE LIKED OPTION TWO.
UM, THESE WERE SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT HE FOUND.
WE, THE CROSSWALK MET THE NECESSARY SAFETY SCREENING CRITERIA AND THE CROSSWALK INSTALLATION CRITERIA.
UM, ADDITIONAL SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS, UM, THAT HE OP ASKED THAT WE, UM, CONSIDER WOULD BE THE IMPROVED VISIBILITY, THE REC TECH, I'M SORRY, RAPID FLASHING BEACON TO APPROVE IN VISIBILITY AND DRIVER AWARENESS AND HIGH VISIBILITY PAVEMENT MARKINGS TO CLEARLY DEFINE THE CROSSWALK.
SO OUR NEXT STEPS ARE THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK INTO THE VDOT TA APPLICATION PROCESS, WHICH TAKES PLACE IN, STARTS IN JUNE AND GOES THROUGH TO OCTOBER WITH FUNDING DECISIONS BEING IN JUNE OF 2026 AND THE ACTUAL FUNDING BECOMING AVAILABLE IN THE SPRING OF 27.
UM, WE'RE ALSO ADDED IT TO OUR CIP, UM, TO FOR STRUCTURED PLANNING AND BUDGETING.
AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, WE WILL, UH, PROCEED WITH FINALIZING THE DESIGN AND MOVING TOWARDS CONSTRUCTION.
I DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PICTURES IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS WHAT A HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSINGS CROSSWALK LOOKS LIKE.
INSTEAD OF ONE SOLID BIG FAT LINE, IT'S, UM, SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO GRAB YOUR ATTENTION.
WE DID EMPLOY THE HELP OF RDA, ONE OF OUR ON-CALL DESIGN CONSULTANTS TO HELP US WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT WE'LL BE PUTTING IN IN JUNE.
UM, THEY CAME UP WITH THIS DOLLAR FIGURE OF 660,000.
THE TA APPLICATION THAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS AN 80 20 SPLIT.
AGAIN, THIS BLACK, WHERE'S MY MOUSE? THERE IT IS.
THIS BLACK LINE IS THE SIDEWALK THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THIS SUMMER.
THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK TO PICK UP PEOPLE FROM YORKTOWN ROAD WITH THE CROSSWALK GOING RIGHT INTO THE SIDEWALK THAT, UH, WILL ALREADY BE CONSTRUCTED.
I ALSO HAVE FOR YOU, UM, THIS IS THE, UM, YORKTOWN ROAD SIDEWALK.
THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS ACROSS BETHEL BAPTIST FRONTAGE ACROSS THE FIELD.
AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE TAKING US INTO THE LOCATION WHERE WE'LL CROSS THE CROSSWALK WILL BE, UM, THIS IS JUST A, A MAP SHOWING A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ARE WORKING ON OR HAVE BEEN MAKING APPLICATIONS FOR.
UM, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN FOR THE APPLICATIONS WE HAVE, WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN TO CONTINUE TO ATTEMPT TO, UM, SECURE FUNDING FOR THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.
I ALSO PUT ON HERE THE HRSD TRAIL TO SHOW YOU WHERE THAT GOES THROUGH.
SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE PLEASE? YES.
UM, OKAY, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THAT FEATURE YORK TIME ROADS SIDEWALK AND CROSSWALK.
I, I KNOW THAT'S THIS, IS THIS JUST ON THE BOOKS OR IS IT ENGINEERED OR? WE APPLIED FOR FUNDING AND WE WERE REJECTED.
SO WE'RE GONNA REVISE OUR APPLICATION AND TRY AGAIN.
UM, THE PURPLE, THE SMITH FARM SIDEWALK AND CROSSWALK.
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YES.UM, IS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE DEVELOPER FORMER STATES TO BUILD THAT THAT IS A PROFFERED CORRECT.
PROFFERED, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE OUR OBLIGATION TO OBTAIN THE EASEMENTS IT IS.
SO IF WE DO NOT OBTAIN THE E EASEMENTS, THE DEVELOPER WILL NOT HAVE TO BUILD THEM.
BUT, BUT IF WE GET THE EASEMENTS, HE WILL HELP THE BUILD.
AND THEN, AND WHO ARE WE GETTING THE EASEMENTS FROM? THE HOMEOWNERS, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? NO, HOMEOWNERS.
THE, THIS WOULD BE THE ONES DOWN YORKTOWN ROAD, EXISTING HOUSES.
AND DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT OR THEY, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.
I'M JUST ASKING, I KNEW WHAT IT WAS.
PLAN FOR THAT TO CROSS OVER YORKTOWN ROAD AND PICK UP THE SIDEWALK THAT'LL GO IN FRONT OF, UH, BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH INTO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I ADDED THE LITTLE BIT OF THE SIDEWALK TO YORKTOWN ROAD TO PICK UP THE CHILDREN.
I THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT PART OF THAT PROJECT.
I, I LIKE, I LIKE YOUR DESIGN CHOICE.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO PUT THAT CROSS IN THERE AND TIE IT TO THE NEW, UH, INTO THE NEW SIDEWALK.
UM, AND THE SCHOOL'S HAPPY WITH IT.
WITH IT YOU SAID, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THE OTHER SUPERVISORS, ONE OF THE THINGS TO REALIZE IN ALL THIS STRUCTURE HERE, I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE ONLY BIT OF SIDEWALK IS UP HERE.
THE ORANGE IS THAT LITTLE ORANGE SECTION.
AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS HERE.
AND SO WHEN THE KIDS, UH, THAT'S WHY THIS IS WHY THIS SCHOOL IS A NOWALK SCHOOL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA LAST.
BECAUSE BEHIND IT, YOU SEE ALL THOSE TRAILS THAT'S BEING BUILT NOW IN THAT, UH, HRSD PROJECT MM-HMM
UM, FOR ME, THAT LITTLE PART THERE, THAT LITTLE, WHAT THEY ALLOWS THE KIDS TO COME OUT OF THAT AT LEAST COME OUT OF THEIR HOME AND WALK DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE NOT WALKING IN A DITCH.
THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA GET HIM DOWN TO THAT PATH.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, THE ONLY WAY THE KID CAN GET TO SCHOOL WITHOUT GETTING HARASSED BY THE, THE ADMINISTRATION, WHICH HE HAS ALREADY, IS HIS MOM HAS TO DRIVE HIM ACROSS THE STREET TO GET OVER THERE.
AND WHEN HE AND HE CANNOT WALK BACK ACROSS, UH, HE HAS TO THEN CATCH A BUS 30 MINUTE DRIVE TO GET JUST ACROSS THE STREET.
NOW THE OTHER THING, PART OF THIS, THE BENEFIT IS THAT, UH, THAT ORANGE PIECE DOWN HERE BY THE SCHOOL, THAT ONE ROAD THERE IS YORKTOWN ROAD.
THAT ROAD IS, UM, ABOUT MAYBE AS WIDE AS TWO OF THESE TABLES THIS WAY.
BUT THE KIDS NOW COME OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL DOING THEIR LONG DISTANCE RUNNING.
AND THE ONLY WAY YOU BASICALLY, I JUST STOP MY CAR AND LET 'EM GET AROUND BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND UH, UH, THAT'S A 40 MILE AN HOUR ROAD, 40 MILES.
NOW I JUST CAN'T GET OVER THAT.
AND SO THEN THEY COME OUT AND THEY GO DOWN CALTHORPE NECK, WHICH HAS NO SIDEWALKS, OR THEY TURN RIGHT AND GO ACROSS, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A PRETTY BIG ROAD AND VERY FAST TRAFFIC, MAJOR ROAD SETS OF TRAFFIC.
AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GET INTO RUNNING MAN BEFORE THEY CAN FIND A SIDEWALK.
SO THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, I THINK SIGNIFICANT FOR, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL AND FOR THE KIDS, ESPECIALLY A PART IN THE BACK.
WE'RE WORKING ON HRSD, THAT CURVE UP THERE IS WHERE THEY HAD THREE 16 YEAR OLDS GET KILLED A COUPLE YEARS BACK, BUT I DUNNO, IT WAS 2019 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS REALLY SAD.
SO IT'S A DANGEROUS ROAD JUST ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO, AND THAT FUTURE SIDEWALK THERE ON THE LIGHT BLUE IT, SPEAKING OF DITCHES, I MEAN THAT EITHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD'S A DEEP DITCH.
IF YOU'RE ON THAT, JUST WALKING THAT ROAD OVER HERE, YOU GOTTA GET OUTTA THE WAY YOU'RE JUMPING INTO FOUR FOOT DITCH OR THE, OR THE CREEK.
UH, JUST IN CASE IT FACTORS ANY INTO ANY OF YOUR EQUATION.
I JUST, I JUST SHARED A MESSAGE WITH ROSSIE CARROLL ABOUT WHERE YOU SEE THE ORANGE IS AT WITH THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
THERE'S A, WITH THAT PURPLE, THE VILLA WAY SIDEWALK, THERE'S A CROSSWALK ALREADY, RIGHT? TO GET INTO YEAH.
TO RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THERE.
THERE'S A CROSSWALK TO GET OVER TO TAB, TAB, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND I MET WITH A COUPLE OF HOMEOWNERS THERE AND THEIR CONCERN IS, UH, THAT THE CROSSWALKS THERE, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THEY REALLY ARE HOPING FOR SOME FLASHING RAPID FLASHING.
AND I, AND I, I SPOKE TO ROSS HERE ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? BECAUSE WHAT YOU, WHAT THIS DOESN'T SHOW IS COMING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A RISE THERE.
AND IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN AT SPEED AND YOU GOT LIKE A SMALL KID WALKING ACROSS WHERE YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE.
SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET SOME FLASHING LIGHTS IN THAT TOO.
WHICH I GUESS IS THE SAME THING.
YOU'RE SO THAT WAY WE'LL MATCH UP BOTH THEN.
SO THAT'S, THIS IS, SO THAT'S IS LY SO ANYWAY, JUST IN THE LAST WEEK ALSO, ONE, ONE LAST BIT, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, I
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GUESS THAT THIS IS A LONGSTANDING PROBLEM TAB.THIS IS, UH, VICTORY BULL AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
TAB MIDDLE TAB MIDDLE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO IF YOU IN THE MORNING HAVE TO GO TO WORK, YOU'RE STUCK.
YOU DON'T
I MEAN MEAN THAT, THAT'S TIGHT CROWD.
DOES THIS MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT YOU WERE? YEP, OF COURSE.
BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, I'M LOOKING AT THE FUTURE HERE.
FUTURE BOARDS, WE FIND THE MONEY.
WHAT'S GOTTA HAPPEN HERE, YOU SEE, THIS ROAD HERE IS GONNA BE BUILT IN ON, UH, SMART SCALE FUNDS.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO RUN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OSA.
OSA RIGHT NOW IT'S A FUNDING ISSUE JUST COME UP.
SO THEY'RE GONNA STOP IT, PROBABLY DOWN IN NEAR RUNNING MAN, SOMEWHERE NEAR SINCLAIR'S PLACE CALLED SIN SINCLAIR.
BUT AT LEAST PROVIDES A TRAIL.
AND THIS IS DEBATED A LITTLE SMALLER, BUT THE, TO ME, THE IMPORTANT PART IS SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE ABOUT THIS ROAD HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS GETS A START FOR A SIDEWALK, ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER DOWN TO HERE.
UM, THEY TAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CAL NECK.
THAT IN THE FUTURE, THE BACK ROAD.
BECAUSE THERE'S MORE HOUSES GONNA BE BUILT IN THERE.
IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IT'S THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE SMITH FARMS OVER THERE, 77 ACRES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND EVENTUALLY THAT WILL COME UP FOR, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
TOM, DOES THE HRSD PARK ALL THAT TRAIL, DOES THAT HELP THE RUNNERS GET OFF YORK TIME ROAD? THEY, THEY RUNNING THAT INSTEAD.
THIS IS GONNA BE PRETTY AWESOME.
AND, UM, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK ON IT.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, THE WAY WE GOT THIS, THEY, THEY ARE ACTUALLY HR C BUILDING IT FOR US.
IN FACT, THAT WAS PART OF THE PROFFER.
SO THEY GOT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE.
THEY GOT THIS, UH, UM, THE SEWAGE HOLDING STATION.
IT'S A PRESSURE REDUCING STATION.
I WON'T GO INTO ALL THAT, BUT THESE STATE, WHAT THESE, WHAT THIS DOES IS ALL THESE ROUNDABOUTS GIVES YOU ROUTES TO, TO RUN, RUN KIND OF CROSS COUNTRY.
AND IT'S, SOME OF IT'S GOT REALLY WOODED AND IT'S REALLY PRETTY.
SOME OF IT'S JUST BARE, BUT IT'S OKAY.
AND IT RUNS, SOME OF IT RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE, UH, OF THE 2.3 MILLION GALLON TANK.
BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S, IT REALLY PROVIDES A GOOD, UH, YES.
IT BE WORK WORKOUT EQUIPMENT ALONG THE TRAIL AS WELL.
AND THE CROSS COUNTRY TEAM IS ALREADY USING IT.
TERRY, YOU HAVE CAMERAS OUT THERE TO ANSWER MS. NOEL'S NEXT QUESTION.
NOT PLANNED RIGHT NOW WE ARE, WE ARE MAKING AN, IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO ASK.
SO WE'RE ASKING DOMINION IF WE CAN, UM, INSERT SOME GARDENS, COMMUNITY GARDENS UNDER THE C GARDENS IN THERE LIKE WE DID DOWN POWER LINE GARDEN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY OTHER TREES DOWN.
WE MIGHT MAKE, IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO ASK.
SO WE'RE ASKING AND THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOME MORE TREES IN THERE TOO.
SO JUST TO SHIELD THE THEY ARE, YEAH.
SO REAL QUICK QUESTION, WHERE THE, I GUESS A FUSIA LINE COMES IN AND TIES INTO THE BLACK LINE RIGHT HERE? YES.
THERE'S A LITTLE THOUGHT, SO IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BEND THERE.
BUT I KNOW THE BLACK LINE IS ON THIS SIDE.
SO I FIGURED IT'D HAVE TO BE ANOTHER CROSSWALK.
SO I GUESS, I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT WE'D HAVE THOSE BEACON FLASHERS ON ALL OF THOSE CROSSWALKS.
SO YOU DON'T YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY, IT'S THE NEW REQUIREMENT.
YOU AIN'T, YOU AIN'T GOOD LIVES.
IT'S REALLY S RIGHT ACROSS, IT'S AT TAYLOR FARM.
IT'S A TAYLOR TAYLOR FARMS ROAD.
SO YOU'RE PICKING THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION UP RIGHT THERE.
IT GOES, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO TAYLOR FARM.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE EASEMENT ON THAT OTHER CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET.
'CAUSE THAT WAS A ISSUE AT ONE TIME.
WE, WE, WE WERE WORKING ON THAT
WE COULD WALK ACROSS THE GRASS, BUT, OKAY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IT'S VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR.NUMBER THREE IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
NUMBER FOUR IS TAX REFUND THE VETERANS EXEMPTION.
NUMBER FIVE IS TUG BOAT AND BARED SERVICES FOR THE FIREWORK SHOW.
IS THAT AI? ATM AI AI POWERED.
OH, THAT'S A, THE LINE THAT GOES UP.
SEWER FOOTAGE ANALYSIS WITH THE GIS INTEGRATION.
THAT'S HOW MUCH THAT, UH, SEVEN IS APPROPRIATION OF STORMWATER LOCAL ASSISTANCE FUND SLACK,
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WHICH WE HAVE HAD MANY SLACK GRANTS, UH, FOR THE COUNTY.NUMBER EIGHT IS APPROPRIATION OF STORMWATER LOCAL ASSISTANCE FUND.
AND ANOTHER SLACK, SLACK GRANT.
AND THAT'S THE LARKIN RUN STREAM RESTORATION PROJECT.
CAN HAVE NUMBER, DOES ANYBODY CARE TO PULL ANY OF THESE? CAN HAVE NUMBER SIX PLEASE FOR, FOR DISCUSSION? NUMBER SIX FOR DISCUSSION.
OKAY, SO WHO'S GONNA COVER THOSE? UH, THE AI AI
I LIKE THAT MR. AND MR. WYATT HAS BEEN IN ON THIS AS WELL.
SO TIM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AS WELL.
SO AS YOU, UH, I'VE MENTIONED IT BEFORE, PER THE HRSD CONSENT ORDER AND MANDATES, WE ARE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR SCOPING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR SANITARY SEWER LINE.
AND, UH, WITH IT, WE'VE GOT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE PEOPLE OVER IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE WERE STARTING TO LOOK AT AI AND HOW WE COULD USE THIS TECHNOLOGY.
AND WITH THEIR SUPPORT AND IMPLEMENTATION, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA RUN WITH THIS ONE.
SO WHAT IT BASICALLY IS, IS YOU HAVE A BOX OF 150 TO 200 HOURS OF VIDEO THAT YOU TAKE IN THIS BOX.
AND THEN IN THIS BOX YOU'VE GOT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE VIDEO INTO THAT BOX AND IT'S GONNA GEOTAG THE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU NEED REPAIRS.
AND IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT AND IT'S GONNA OVERLAY IT ON A GIS SYSTEM.
SO WE'LL KNOW RIGHT WHERE IT IS.
SO IN THE NET WASH, THE OLD WAY AND THE NEW WAY, IT'S ABOUT A, AN UNEVEN WASH.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THOSE HOURS OF LOOKING THROUGH ALL THAT, THAT TAPE.
AND WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS DONE WITH THE AI, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A, A GRADING OF REPAIRS TO BE MADE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, I'LL CALL IT A, A YELLOW REPAIR OR AN ORANGE IS WORSE.
AND THEN A RED IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THIS.
SO ONCE WE GET IT ALL IN TO HELP US TO STRATEGICALLY BE ABLE TO MAKE REPAIRS AND NOT HAVE TO, WE CAN TRIAGE IT.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A BUDGET, IT'S A POSITIVE FOR THE BUDGET.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, RELY ON SO MUCH ON PUMP STATIONS AND WET WEATHER INCIDENTS.
AND YOU SOMETIMES YOU GET TO WHERE YOU LOOK FOR REPAIRS.
NOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK ME HOW THE BITS AND BIKES AND BINARY SERVERS AND ICLOUD STORAGE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO REFER IT TO MY EXPERT.
OKAY? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT FOR.
ALL RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS TECHNOLOGY, ELIMINATE THE NEED TO HAVE A PERSON LOOK AT VIDEO TO DETERMINE IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, RIGHT? SO WE SAVE THEIR TIME.
WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET MORE CONSISTENT, UM, FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT DON'T HAVE A TIRE TO EYE OR SOMEBODY GETS DISTRACTED AS THE VIDEO'S ROLLING.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE A MACHINE DOING ALL THAT.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOME BETTER RESULTS FROM THAT TOO.
AND THEN I'M, NOW I'M GONNA ASK TIM ABOUT, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA FEED THIS VIDEO FROM AIRLINES, RIGHT? SO WHAT DO WE, SO HOW, HOW ARE WE TRAINING THAT MODEL? WHAT, WHAT ARE WE GONNA TRAIN IT AGAINST? HOW, HOW DO WE TRAIN IT TO SAY, ALRIGHT, YOU GOT THE VIDEO NOW HOW DO YOU FIGURE OUT WHETHER THERE'S A PROBLEM? HOW, HOW ARE WE TRAINING THAT MODEL? SO THIS IS WHERE WE PARTNER WITH THE INDUSTRY PARTNERS, OKAY? AND THEY HANDLE ALL THAT.
THEIR AI IS ALREADY SPECIFICALLY TRAINED.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE GENERIC SWISS ARMY CHAT, GBT, GOOGLE GEMINI.
THIS IS COMPLETELY TRAINED FOR NOTHING PIPING.
IT'S AI TO DETECT THESE SPECIFIC THINGS.
SO WE TAKE THE VIDEOS THAT IT WOULD TAKE MANY PEOPLE, AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE ACCURACY OF JUST THE DUAL MONOTONY OF JUST STEERING ITS SEWER FOOTAGE FOR DAYS AND DAYS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT WHAT HUMAN BEINGS ARE MEANT FOR.
THE AI'S GONNA ROLL THROUGH IT, IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT.
PICK IT UP, GIVE US THE REPORT, AND THEN THE COUNTY OWNS THE DATA THE WHOLE TIME.
IT'S PART OF, IT'S ON AMAZON WEB SERVICES, PART OF IT'S ON AZURE WEB SERVICES.
AND THEN IT INTEGRATES WITH OUR GIS MAPPING LAYERS FOR SENDING PEOPLE OUT INTO THE FIELD.
THOSE NEW MAN POWER REQUIREMENTS ON OUR SIDE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS NOT SPELLED OUT.
SO, SO WHERE YOU GOING TO, WE'RE USING THEIR, THEIR DATA POOL OF EXAMPLES EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, ACROSS THE WORLD OF PAIN POINTS.
SO IT, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA TRAIN IT TO LOOK FOR ISSUES IN, IN OUR SYSTEM.
IT'S ALREADY FINE TUNED, HAS MULTIPLE CUSTOMERS ALREADY DOES THIS AND WE GIVE IT OUR DATA.
NOW OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE BETTER, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA ADDED TO THE COLLECTIVE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LEAN ON THIS TECHNOLOGY TO 'CAUSE WE, WE CAN'T JUST, AS SOON AS YOU HAVE PEOPLE TO STAFF DO THIS WORK, WE GOTTA LEAN TO THIS TECHNOLOGY.
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I'M, I'M CONGRATULATE YOU GUYS FOR GOING AFTER IT.WE SHOULD BE THE LEADER IN THE AREA FOR DOING THESE THINGS.
WONDER IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE THING.
THIS INITIATIVE WAS HIGHLY PUSHED BY PUBLIC WORKS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE KIND OF STRATEGIES YOUR COUNTY IS TAKING RATHER THAN JUST IT BEING A PURELY IT INITIATIVE.
WE'RE KIND OF THE TRAIN THE TRAINERS, WE GO OUT, WE WORKED WITH HR, ECONOMIC TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, AND DBW IS THE ONE YOU SAID, WE KNOW OUR OPERATIONS, WE KNOW WHERE THE MANPOWER COST IS.
THEY INITIATE THIS, THEY ENGAGE.
NOW AGAIN, HAND IN HAND WITH MY STAFF AND WORKING COOPERATIVELY, NOT BEING SILOED.
SO IT'S SOMETHING I THINK I'M VERY PROUD OF AND, AND HAPPY HOW DPW TOOK THE LEAD IN OUR AI ROADMAP FOR YOU GUYS.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR BIG THINGS IS THE FLAGSHIP.
AND WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING UP, SO WE WANTED AN AI FLAGSHIP THAT REALLY HELPED OUT ON OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY.
AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA DO A GREAT JOB.
WE'RE MOVING IN INTERESTING TIMES WHERE I NOW NEED IT FOLKS THAT HAVE SOME ME LEVEL PROFICIENCY IN PUBLIC WORKS.
I NEED PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS COMFORTABLE WITH USING THE STUDENT TECHNOLOGY TO DO THEIR JOB THAT THEY USED TO DO MAINLY INTERESTING TIMES WE'RE MOVING INTO.
UH, TOM, I THINK YOU ASKED FOR THE NUMBER SEVEN NUMBER.
DO YOU WANT SEVEN? NO, NO, YOU SAID YOU SAID EIGHT.
IT CELESTIAL WAY RIGHT? SEVEN.
IT SAYS RIGHT HERE IT SAYS EIGHT MAP CELESTIAL WAY.
I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA THAT WE PUBLISHED.
SEVEN IS CELESTIAL WAY AT LARKIN.
YOU RUN WHATEVER ONE YOU WANT, TOM.
WHICH ONE? THE ONE ON THE ONE ON CELESTIAL WAY.
IT'S UH, B ON OUR, IT DOES MATTER ON OUR OKAY.
SO THE QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT IS I, THIS STREAM RESTORATION LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS FROM, UH, BIG BETHEL ROAD AND THEN COMES DOWN THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN IT JUST CROSSES WHAT I THINK IS, MIGHT BE HEAVEN'S WAY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT ROAD IS.
MAYBE CELESTIAL WAY AND THEN IT, THEN IT'S, I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO THEN PROCEED ON IT DOWN TO THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY AND GO OUT TOWARDS UH, UM, VICTORY BOULEVARD.
SO THIS ONE, THE MAIN PUSH OF THIS ONE WAS TO STOP THE, THE FLOODING UP ON, ON BIG BETHEL.
RIGHT? AND THEN THROUGH CELESTIAL AWAY, WHICH WAS FORMERLY MM-HMM
WELL THE FLOODING IS NOT ON BIG BETHEL LOST PROPERTY.
HEY, THE FLOODINGS NOT ON BIG BETHEL.
THE FLOODING CURVES DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT THIS IS, YOU DON'T SHOW THE MAP, BUT IF, IF YOU SEE, LOOK AT THE MAP, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS UPPER PART IS THE OLD PRE UH, PREHISTORIC UH, BEACH.
AND THEN IT DROPS DOWN TO THE OCEAN PART AND IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT COMES OFF PRETTY QUICK.
SO IT COMES OUT FROM ABOUT 25 FEET OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 25 FEET.
THEN IT GETS DOWN HERE TO VERY QUICKLY, IT'S GETTING DOWN TO ABOUT 10, 15 FEET AND IT KEEPS GETTING LOWER.
THE PROBLEM IS DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH REDEEMER WET.
IS THAT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM? YEAH.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE DUG A UH, A, A BP IN THERE, IT'S ALWAYS FULL.
IT'S, I MEAN IT'S ALWAYS FULL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DIG A BMP AND IT'S ALWAYS FULL OF WATER.
SO THE POINT IS, ARE YOU GOING, HOW IS THIS GOING TO GO SOUTH OF THERE? UM, IT'S, IT DOES NOT GO SOUTH OF THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
BUT THE, THE PIPE ON THE UH, UNDER 1 71 IS A VDOT PIPE
I'M TALKING ABOUT GOING, I GUESS IT WOULD BE SOUTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU TURN AND GO TOWARDS VICTORY BOULEVARD, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT STREAM RUNS THROUGH THERE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE RESTORATION.
THERE IS SOME, SOME WORK TO BE DONE IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PARAMETERS.
OKAY, WELL I JUST, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
IT DOESN'T JUST, IT TAKES IT DOWN THE WATER DOWN IN, THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN THE, THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE KIND OF FLOODING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHAT ARE EXACTLY ARE WE GONNA DO HERE? SO WE GET TDML POINTS FOR IT TO, FOR A REDUCTION OF, UH, POLLUTANTS.
WE GET THE MATCHING SLT GRANT.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS COMING THROUGH THERE WITH A STREAM RESTORATION AND THEN GETTING THE WATER FROM BIG BETHEL ROAD RIGHT.
BUT KEEPING IT FROM MOVING TOO QUICKLY WITH CHECK DAMS AND SPILL.
SO YOU GOTTA SLOW THE WATER DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE SLOWER THE WATER, THE LESS EROSION YOU GET AND THE LESS POLLUTION.
SO IT'S, UH, AND IT'S GONNA HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINS.
BUT I CAN GET YOU THE PARAMETERS 'CAUSE THERE IS SOME WORK, I BELIEVE BEHIND THAT CHURCH ALSO.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LUTHERAN? THAT'S THE LUTHERAN CHURCH THERE.
I GUARANTEE YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN DOWN HERE, AND WE, WE BATTLED OVER THIS OVER THE YEARS.
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GONNA FLOOD.IN FACT, THAT IS WHY VDOT WILL NOT ACCEPT THE ROAD ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY, IT WILL NOT NOT MEET FEED OUT PARAMETERS, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING.
SO I CAN JUST SEE THIS IS GONNA BE A FUTURE PROBLEM FOR ANOTHER SUPERVISOR.
BUT I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY THIS IS THIS GONNA BE A PROBLEM, OKAY? WE CAN TRY TO CLEAN THIS PIG UP, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A, A PROBLEM.
IT'S GONNA HAVE PERFUME POURED ALL OVER.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
PROBLEM OF LOCK AND RUN THERE.
THE WAY THE WATER COMES THROUGH THERE SO FAST.
IT'S JUST EATING THE DIRT AWAY.
I MEAN WE'RE, WE GOT TREES FALLING DOWN AND THOSE, SO THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED.
ANY MORE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
[OPEN DISCUSSION]
OPEN DISCUSSION.HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION OR DO WE STILL HAVE MORE THAT WE'D LIKE TO ADD TONIGHT? I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR THE, UH, YOUR COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE A GOOD APPLICANT, CHILD, GRANDCHILD, SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, PLEASE ENCOURAGE THEM TO PUT APPLICATION IN.
JUST LOOK UP YOUR COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION ON THE WEBSITE AND IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO WHERE YOU NEED TO FIND THE APPLICATION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY, THEN, UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE MEETING IS OVER.
WE'LL ADJOURN, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL HOST THE TOWN HALL MEETING THURSDAY FROM SEVEN TO NINE AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
UH, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING? TOWN HALL? IT'S A LISTENING SESSION.
AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A BUDGET WORK SESSION FROM FOUR TO SIX TUESDAY, APRIL 8TH IN THE EAST ROOM.
THANK YOU ALL FOR PAYING ATTENTION ALL THIS LONG TIME.