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[Call to Order]
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR ON MARCH 27TH FOR AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION ON THE BUDGET.
AND WE'RE PLEASED TODAY TO HAVE WITH US THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS AND MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION.
AND, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE TO ASK AS FAR AS STAFF IS CONCERNED.
AND SO WE'LL GET ON WITH THE MEETING.
WHO'S GOING TO GO FIRST? ME, YOU CAN START.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
NOW I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
[1.* Tabb High School Renovation.]
UH, DR.SHANDOR AND HIS COLLEAGUES TO COME TONIGHT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CIP.
AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO DR.
THANK YOU, MR. BELLAMY, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND, UM, COUNTY STAFF AND OTHER, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE IN THE ROOM.
I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT I'D LIKE TO PULL UP TO GET US TO GET US STARTED.
UM, FIRST I WANTED TO SHARE, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M, I, THIS WAS A PRESENTATION THAT I, UM, SENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN OCTOBER.
I WILL NOT GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND CONSTITUENTS WERE AWARE.
IT'S BASICALLY A, UH, A REALLY NICE SUMMARY OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES OF A LOT OF WORK THAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST DECADE IN THE, UM, IN THE SCHOOL DIVISION.
JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I WANTED TO HIT JUST A COUPLE REAL QUICK TO SHOW SOME OF THE WORK, UM, SOME OF THE ROOF HVAC SYSTEMS WE'VE DONE.
BUT THIS IS A LOT OF OUR, UM, BREEZEWAYS, IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS WAS THE BREEZEWAY AT DARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, YOU KNOW, CLOSING IT.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I'LL JUST ASK MR. MR. BELLAMY IF HE COULD POST THAT, UM, ON YOUR, EITHER YOUR WEBSITE OR ON YOUR AGENDAS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE INVITATION TO SHARE THE WORK IN YCSD REGARDING CAPITAL PROJECTS.
I HAVE DR. CARROLL, OUR CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER, AS WELL AS MR. BOWEN, WHO IS OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HERE WITH ME THIS EVENING TO SHARE INFORMATION AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO, UH, THE CAPITAL BUDGET.
TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO BRING SOME CLARITY AND ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE TAB PROJECT, UM, FROM BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, DID WANNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION LEADING INTO THE, THE CONVERSATION.
UM, FIRST, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK, UM, THE STAFF IN THE ROOM WHO'VE BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS TO, UM, COLLABORATE WITH, WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND OUR STAFF, UH, RELATED TO ALL OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, REALLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, MR. BELLAMY, WHO WAS IN A DIFFERENT ROLE, UH, BEFORE A YEAR AGO OR SO, OBVIOUSLY MR. MORGAN, WHO WAS HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN MARK CARTER WAS HERE, UH, AS INTERIM.
SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TOGETHER, SO WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD, HAVE A HISTORY OF COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION.
SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD, AND I THINK THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ON THE COUNTY SIDE, TRYING TO KEEP PACE WITH, KEEP PACE WITH AN AGING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, ALSO IN THE LAST 10, 11 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE A LOT OF OUR SMALLER PROJECTS.
A LOT OF THOSE ARE MOSTLY COMPLETED.
WE'VE NOW MOVED INTO SOME OF OUR LARGER PROJECTS, HENCE THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TODAY.
UM, IN RECENT YEARS, UM, WE HAD A SORT OF AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COUNTY.
WE WORKED ON AROUND A NINE, NINE TO 10, $11 MILLION NUMBER FOR, UM, EACH YEAR OF THE CIP.
UH, BUT AGAIN, MOST OF THOSE SMALLER JOBS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
CAROL AND I, AND, AND MR. BOWEN, WE'VE, WE,
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WE MEET WITH, UM, COUNTY STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS.WE HAVE A-A-C-I-P MEETING THAT HAPPENS WEEKLY, OR IS IT BIWEEKLY? BIWEEKLY.
AND WE'VE SHARED THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE SMALLER PROJECTS ARE DONE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BREEZEWAYS AND SECURITY VESTIBULES.
AND, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, MR. MORGAN, UM, GAVE $3 MILLION, UH, TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM RELATED TO, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT WAS SR FUNDS.
AND THE AGREEMENT WAS WE WOULD USE THOSE 3 MILLION, THAT $3 MILLION TO USE, TO USE FOR THE SCHOOLS, BUT IN A MUTUAL WAY.
SO, MEANING FOR OUR PARKS AND REC PROGRAMS. UM, WE UPDATED A LOT OF OUR ELEMENTARY GYMS DURING THAT TIME, WHICH, WHICH DESPERATELY NEEDED IT.
UM, A LOT OF OUR GYM FLOORS, WE DID THE, THE FLOOR AT, UH, DARE ELEMENTARY.
AND IF YOU'VE LIVED IN NEWARK COUNTY A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW HOW POPULAR SKATE, RATTLE AND ROLL IS.
SO WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT WORK, UM, THROUGH THE LAST, LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO I WANTED TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU REALLY QUICKLY THE AGES OF OUR SCHOOLS.
SO IF YOU'LL JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND YOU COULD LOOK AT WHEN OUR, EACH OF OUR SCHOOLS WERE BUILT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE AVERAGE AGE OF A SCHOOL IN YORK COUNTY IS 54 YEARS OLD.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS BUILT IN 1972.
AND OUR NEWEST BUILDING IS THE GRAFTON COMPLEX, UH, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 1996.
AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE ELEMENTARY, OUR ELEMENTARY, THE RANGE WHEN THEY WERE BUILT WAS BETWEEN 1954 AND 1989.
AND WE'VE TOUCHED ALL OF THOSE SCHOOLS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
SO A LOT OF THOSE PHOTOS THAT YOU'LL SEE, OF THE PICTURES THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE POSTED, UM, IT'S A LOT OF, UH, PICTURES OF THAT WORK AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.
UM, THEY'RE BUILT FROM 1954 TO 1996.
AGAIN, THAT'S INCLUDING GRAFTON MIDDLE.
ALL OF THOSE SCHOOLS HAD SOME, SOME RENOVATION IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
HOWEVER, THE, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, BETWEEN 1954 AND 96, THIS IS WHERE, UH, THE WORK IS, IS CURRENTLY.
SO, AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO SHARE, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLE OF OUR TRACK RECORD, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND WORKING THROUGH THE CAPITAL PROGRAMS. THIS IS WALLER MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BETTER ASK QUESTIONS TO GO ALONG, OR DO YOU WANNA, UH, IF YOU'LL JUST GIMME A FEW SLIDES TO GO THROUGH? 'CAUSE I'M GONNA, I WANNA TALK ABOUT HVAC SYSTEMS, ROOFS, AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.
ONE OF THE NUMBERS I'M GONNA LOOK FOR IS HOW MUCH HAVE WE PUT INTO ALL THESE RENOVATIONS? WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER? OKAY, WHILE I'M TALKING, MR. BOWEN'S GONNA
MR. BOWEN'S GONNA PHONE A FRIEND.
SO WE WILL WORK THROUGH THAT NUMBER.
I THINK I DO HAVE A NUMBER, UM, BUT LET ME GET TO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WALL WALLER, MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
I BELIEVE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN IN 2015 OR 2016.
THIS SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1969.
SO, AND AGAIN, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE UP THERE.
IF YOU RECALL, WE ADDED, UM, WE ADDED A WING TO THIS SCHOOL.
'CAUSE REMEMBER, THIS SCHOOL NEVER HAD A GYMNASIUM.
UH, WE ACTUALLY, THE LIBRARY AND FRONT OFFICE, WE EXPANDED THOSE, WE PUSHED THOSE OUT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT WHERE THAT, WHERE THE GRAY AREA IS.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S PUSHED OUT IS THE EXPANSION FOR THE, FOR THE OFFICE.
WE ALSO, EVERY CLASSROOM WAS RENOVATED.
WE GOT NEW CLASSROOM CABINETS, UH, FURNITURE, LIGHTING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, UH, IN THIS SCHOOL.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT WE JUST FINISHED THIS PROJECT.
IT WAS A TWO YEAR PROJECT IN SEAFORD.
UM, THIS PICTURE IS OBVIOUSLY PRIOR TO THE RENOVATIONS.
AGAIN, THIS SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1962.
SO, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
THAT RENOVATION, AS YOU KNOW, INCLUDED A, A WING EDITION.
WE UPGRADED ALL THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE SCHOOL WINDOWS ROOF.
UM, WE REMOVED THE STAGE FROM THE CAFETERIA AND PUT THAT IN THE GYMNASIUM SO THAT THE CAFETERIA COULD HAVE MORE SPACE.
UM, AND NOW IT'S A, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? A GYMATORIUM, I GUESS WOULD BE, THAT'S THE WORD OR NOT.
UM, BUT THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL SPACE FOR KIDS.
AND THEN NEXT I WANTED TO JUST JUMP INTO SOME OF OUR MAJOR SYSTEM RENOVATION HISTORY.
SO YOU COULD SEE FROM THIS SHEET, THIS BASICALLY SHARES HVAC SYSTEM RENOVATION.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, TAB HIGH SCHOOL HAS THE OLDEST WHOLE BUILDING HVAC SYSTEM IN THE SCHOOL DIVISION, AND IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S 27 YEARS OLD.
SO AGAIN, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE WITH TAB AGAIN FOR HVAC, THE MAGRUDER HVAC THAT IS ABOVE THAT IS JUST FOR THE ADDITION.
AND THEN DARE ELEMENTARY, HVAC IS JUST FOR THE GYM, AND THOSE SYSTEMS ARE WORKING FINE AT THIS POINT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROOF RE ROOF
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RENOVATIONS, AGAIN, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY GOOD WORK, UM, WITH YOUR SUPPORT WITH THE COUNTY SUPPORT THROUGH THE LAST 10, 11 YEARS.WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK.
UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE LARGEST RENOVATION PROJECTS THAT NEED, YOU KNOW, HERE IS THE ROOF ROOF REPLACEMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, TAB HIGH SCHOOL HAS THE OLDEST ROOF BY SIX YEARS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO FOR ROOFS, TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND QUEENS LAKE ARE OUR TWO OLDEST, UM, ROOFS.
AND THEY ARE LISTED IN THE CIP.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OLDEST RENOVATIONS IN ADDITIONS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, IT'S TWO.
THIS IS JUST FROM 2000 TO 2011.
AGAIN, I WAS NOT HERE, UM, NOR WAS ANYONE ON MY TEAM ACTUALLY AT THAT TIME.
SO, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHARE THESE RENOVATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED DURING THIS TIME IN THE LAST 25 YEARS TO HELP PUT THE TAB RENOVATION INTO PERSPECTIVE.
ONE TAB HIGH SCHOOL IS NOT ON THIS LIST.
UM, THE LAST TIME THAT WE RENOVATED, UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL, I BELIEVE IS 1998.
ALSO, YOU SEE WHERE ALL OF OUR, OUR GEOTHERMAL, SO I, I'VE CLICKED THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE OUR GEOTHERMAL CONVERSIONS OF SEVEN BUILDINGS, UH, EIGHT SCHOOLS, BECAUSE YORKTOWN MIDDLE HAS YORK RIVER ACADEMY ATTACHED TO IT.
SO THAT MAKES THE EIGHTH SCHOOL.
SO JUST AGAIN, HOPEFULLY THIS IS SOME HELPFUL INFORMATION.
SO YOU CAN, WE CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, NOT ONLY HVAC AND ROOF SYSTEMS, UH, AND THOSE MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT, THAT RUN A SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BRING OUR SCHOOLS FORWARD? SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE.
SO WE RENOVATED THE YORK HIGH SCHOOL LIBRARY BACK IN 2019.
SO I, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE COVID, AND ACTUALLY JUST THIS WEEK, WE HOSTED LEADERS FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
THEY CAME TO LEARN MORE WORK ABOUT IMPROVING STUDENT READING, COMPREHENSION AND LITERACY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.
SO, DR. BUTLER AND A NUMBER OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS WERE OVER THERE.
THEY WERE SUPER IMPRESSED WITH THE LEARNING COMMONS AND ITS VALUE IN EDUCATING OUR STUDENTS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA COME BACK TO SHOWCASE THE BENEFITS OF THAT SPACE, TO SHARE IT WITH SCHOOL DIVISIONS ACROSS THE, OH, HOLD ON, MY APOLOGIES.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE, AND THEN HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE FIRST, IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME, SOME ASPECTS OF, OF THIS SPACE, UM, REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT KEEPS MOVING ON ME.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE WITH THIS SPACE IS A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS TO PROVIDE A SPACE FOR KIDS TO COLLABORATE, FOR KIDS TO THINK CRITICALLY AND TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE VERY BACK WHERE THE, WHERE THE GLASS IS IN THE BACK, THERE'S FOUR COLLABORATIVE SPACES THERE.
THEY HAVE, UM, UM, RAISED, I, I DON'T WANNA CALL THEM HUB TABLES OR PUB TABLES.
I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM THAT EITHER, BUT THEY'RE RAISED TABLES WITH, UM, SEATS AROUND ABOUT FIVE OR SIX CHAIRS ROOM.
SO SIX STUDENTS COULD GO IN THERE AND THEY COULD EITHER STUDY TOGETHER, WORK ON A PROJECT TOGETHER.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THEY CAN DO THERE.
AND THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY RIGHT IN THERE THAT THEY CAN ACCESS.
ALSO, ALL OF THE FURNITURE THAT YOU SEE, UM, IT'S FLEX, IT'S FLEXIBLE SEATING.
SO WE CAN MOVE THIS FURNITURE ANYWHERE.
WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, THERE'S ALSO A SPACE WHERE IT SAYS, UM, CHILLS AND THRILLS RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T, DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I'LL HAVE TO ASK, ASK DR. BUTLER WHAT THAT IS.
ANYWAY, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SECTION OF BOOKS TO THE RIGHT OF THAT.
THERE'S A FULL CLASSROOM THERE THAT WE TEACHERS SIGN THAT SPACE OUT TO COME IN AND AGAIN, USE THAT SPACE.
IT'S FLEXIBLE SEATING IN THERE.
ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY IS A, IS AVAILABLE FOR THEM.
THEY HAVE A GREEN ROOM, A GREEN SCREEN.
THEY ALSO HAVE PODCAST EQUIPMENT.
SO FOR A LOT OF OUR MARKETING CLASSES, THEY HAVE A SPORTS MARKETING CLASS THERE.
SO THEY ACCESS THAT EQUIPMENT IN THIS SPACE TO WORK ON PROJECTS FOR THE SCHOOL AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THEY ALSO CONVERT AN AREA IN THE, ON THE LOWER, UH, BACK HALF.
THEY HAVE A, A COFFEE, UM, COFFEE SHOP IN THE MORNING.
THEY HAVE A SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAM THERE.
AND THOSE KIDS RUN A COFFEE SHOP IN THE MORNING FOR STAFF AND KIDS.
SO IT'S REALLY, AND THEN THERE'S AN UPSTAIRS SPACE.
THERE'S SOME OFFICES UP THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, FLEXIBLE SEATING AND TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN BE USED UP THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL.
JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF US CONVERTING SPACE TO SORT OF MODERNIZE AND BRING THEM, BRING THEM FORWARD.
THIS WAS THE OLD SPACE AT BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL, THEIR OLD LIBRARY.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE NOW A PICTURE OF THE, THE NEW LEARNING COMMONS.
SO THIS WAS OUR, OUR SECOND EFFORT UP HERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, FOUR COLLABORATIVE SPACES.
YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THEM THERE TO THE RIGHT.
THE OTHER THREE ARE ACTUALLY ON THIS LEFT WALL.
UM, AGAIN, THE FURNITURE AND EVERYTHING, YOU CAN MOVE EVERYTHING TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE
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WHATEVER THEY'RE WANTING TO, TO DO IN THAT SPACE.UM, IN THE RIGHT, THE, THE LAST PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT GREEN WALL IS RIGHT THERE.
THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SLIDING GLASS DOORS.
AND THERE'S A CLASSROOM IN THERE THAT HA THAT HAS TECHNOLOGY AND THAT ALL OF THE FURNITURE CAN BE MOVED TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER CLASS WANTS TO USE THAT SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE OLD, UH, THE OLD MODEL OF THE LIBRARY, I MEAN, I GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL IN 1988 AND YOU KNOW THAT MY LIBRARY BASICALLY LOOKED LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS LATER, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION HAS CHANGED.
WE ALL, WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW THE UPTICK IN TE USAGES OF TECHNOLOGIES CHANGED, UM, AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO GROW OUR, OUR KIDS FOR THE WORKFORCE, MILITARY, ALL OF THESE THINGS, AFTER THEY LEAVE US, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD SPACE FOR THEM TO, TO CREATE.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS IS TAB HIGH SCHOOLS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT TAB HIGH SCHOOLS, UM, LIBRARY, THEIR LIBRARY, UH, WE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS SPACE FOR 1100 STUDENTS AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
AND I WAS JOKING THE OTHER DAY, BUT THIS IS THE SAME LIBRARY THAT OUR SCHOOL BOARD VICE CHAIR, UH, MR. RICHARDSON UTILIZED FROM HIS TIME THERE IN 1975 THROUGH 1979.
SORRY TO THROW OUT YOUR GRADUATION YEAR,
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, 1979 TO NOW, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
SO, SO AS WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE THESE SPACES TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR KIDS, UH, THAT, SO YOU GOT A GOOD PICTURE OF TWO EXAMPLES OF, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND THOSE SPACES ARE UTILIZED BY KIDS AND STAFF AND TEACHERS, UH, ALL THE TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A GOOD PICTURE OF THIS.
SO OUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO, TO, TO PUT A LEARNING COMMENT THERE.
HOPEFULLY I EXPLAINED THAT IN, IN SOME DETAIL FOR YOU.
THE OTHER PART WOULD BE, UM, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO CONVERT THIS SPACE INTO CLASSROOMS. BECAUSE THIS SPACE IS, IS, IS, UH, UNBELIEVABLY SMALL.
SO SMALL FORAY LEARNING COMMONS.
HOWEVER, WE CAN CONVERT THIS SPACE WITH I THINK A FEW OTHER NOOKS AND CRANNIES AROUND IT AND, AND CAN COME UP WITH FOUR CLASSROOMS. SO IF WE CONVERT THAT SPACE TO FOUR CLASSROOMS, WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, A MOBILE OUT THERE.
AND I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO CLASSROOMS OUT THERE IN THE, IN THE MOBILE CLASSROOM.
WE ACTUALLY PUT A FENCE AROUND THERE BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT, THAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCHOOL.
UM, IF WE DO THAT, WE ALSO KNOW A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THAT MOBILE IF WE HAD FOUR CLASSROOMS. THE OTHER THING WE UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE A MIDDLE SCHOOL BUBBLE.
AND WHEN I SAY BUBBLE, I MEAN WE HAVE SOME GRADE LEVELS THAT HAVE A LOT MORE KIDS IN THEM THAN OTHERS.
SO IS IT FIFTH GRADE OR FIFTH GRADE? SO, SO IT'LL BE SIXTH GRADE.
OUR CURRENT FIFTH GRADE THAT'S GOING INTO SIXTH GRADE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON HOWEVER MANY YEARS AGO.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS COMING THROUGH ALL OF OUR ZONES IN, INTO SIXTH GRADE, PARTICULARLY THE TAB ZONE.
SO AS THOSE, AS THOSE STUDENTS MATRICULATE UP, WHEN YOU, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DO A RENOVATION, IT'S NOT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR SENIORS OR NEXT YEAR SENIORS, WHATEVER.
IT'S EVERY CHILD THAT GOES THROUGH THAT ZONE, WHETHER THEY'RE A TAB ELEMENTARY, STUDENT MOUNT, BURN STUDENT, OR, UM, MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT.
SO, JUST WANTED TO JUMP INTO THE FACTORS IN PRIORITIZATION.
AND MR. BOWEN IS GONNA, IS GONNA SHARE THAT.
YOU MAY WANT TO CLICK BECAUSE THAT, THAT MOUSE IS VERY SENSITIVE.
SHANDOR PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FACILITY'S HISTORY AND SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR, I WANT TO TRANSITION INTO, UM, SOME OF THE FACTORS INFLUENCING PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, UM, COST ESTIMATES, AND THEN ALSO OUR SCHEDULE.
SO FIRST, UM, COUNTY AGREEMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY THAT PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE, UM, IN THE WORK THAT WE DO.
SO BEFORE CONSTRUCTING A NEW SCHOOL, UH, THE SCHOOL DIVISION EXPLORE SEVERAL DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, INCLUDING DEPLOYING MOBILE UNITS OR LEARNING COTTAGES AS WE LIKE TO CALL 'EM, UH, REZONING AND EXPANDING EXISTING SCHOOLS IF, IF SPACE PERMITS.
SECOND, WE CONSIDER ENROLLMENT TRENDS.
UM, AND AS WE KNOW THAT, UH, IN RECENT HISTORY, WE'VE SEEN NOW THAT THE ENROLLMENT IN YORK COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW.
HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL, UM, UH, YEARS OR SEVERAL POINTS IN, IN THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT, UH, WE'VE SEEN AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.
FIRST, THE GREAT RECESSION WHERE WE SAW A, A, A FIVE YEAR DECLINE, BUT IT, IT TOOK US 11 YEARS TO RECOVER FROM OUR ENROLLMENT, WHICH WAS THE HIGH OF THE TIME IN 2008.
TOOK US UNTIL 2019 TO RECOVER FROM THAT ENROLLMENT.
AND THEN WHEN COVID HIT, UM, WE WERE SET IN 2021 TO EXCEED 13,000 STUDENTS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
HOWEVER, WE ENDED UP LOSING 670 AND IT TOOK US UNTIL 2025 TO, TO, UH, SURPASS THE ENROLLMENT WE HAD IN 2020 THIRD.
WE HAD PRIORITY SHIFTS THAT MAY OCCUR, UM, DUE TO BUILDING MAINTENANCE NEEDS OR
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CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES.SO THE, UH, THE ANNUAL FACILITIES ARE ASSESSED, I'M SORRY, THE FACILITIES ARE ASSESSED ANNUALLY BY OUR CAPITAL AND MAINTENANCE STAFF.
AND AS THEY GO THROUGH THESE EVERY SUMMER, IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT PRESENTS ITSELF THAT'S SHOWN GREATER DETERIORATION LIKE A ROOF OR HVAC SYSTEM, THEN THAT WILL OFTEN CHANGE THE PRIORITY ON, ON THE CIP ITSELF.
AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS THE BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL ROOF.
I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR THE LAST BIT.
IT WAS, UH, ABOUT WAS IT PROVEN BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL ROOF? YES.
AND THEN FOURTH, UH, PROGRAMMING AND REZONING DECISIONS ALSO AFFECT THE PRIORITIZATION.
SO A A NOTABLE EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS THE DARE ELEMENTARY PROJECT WHERE AN EXPANSION WAS INITIALLY PLANNED.
HOWEVER, THE SCHOOL DIVISION WENT THROUGH A REPROGRAMMING OF THE GIFTED EXTEND CENTER.
SO WE, WE HAD THE GIFTED PROGRAM THERE AT DARE WE DECENTRALIZED THAT PUSHED THAT BACK INTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND IT FREED UP SPACE AT DARE.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT EXPANSION PROJECT OFF THE CIP.
SO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE COST ESTIMATES.
SO FIRST WHAT I, WHAT A PROJECT LANDS ON OUR CIP, THE CAPITAL, UM, THE CAPITAL STAFF GENERATE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA FROM SIMILAR PROJECTS.
UH, A MARKET ANALYSIS OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND ALSO INPUT FROM CONTRACTS AND VENDORS.
AND THESE ARE REALLY JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES 'CAUSE WE JUST HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND, UM, SO WE DON'T, AGAIN, THESE ESTIMATES ARE VERY ROUGH.
SECOND, AS THE PROJECT MOVES UP TO THE CIP TIMELINE, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS PROVIDE ROUGH COST ESTIMATES, UM, AND TO REFINE THE PROJECT PROJECTIONS.
THIRD, AS THE PROJECT NEARS THE FUNDING YEAR, THE SCOPE AND COST ESTIMATES ARE FURTHER REFINED BY THE CONTRACTED ARCHITECTURAL AND AREA ENGINEERING FIRM.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH TAB.
WE'VE JUST CONTRACTED WITH THE A AND E FIRM, AND WE ARE, AND WE'RE WORKING TO REFINE THE SCOPE AND ALSO THE COST OF THE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THE FINAL COST, AND I SAY FINAL COST IN QUOTES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN, WHEN YOU'RE INVOLVED IN CONSTRUCTION, YOU START TEARING DOWN WALLS, YOU SEE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE OR THEY DON'T SEE THINGS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.
AND SO THERE'S OFTEN CONTINGENCIES THAT HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR, BUT WE WON'T SEE THAT FINAL COST UNTIL THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS OCCURS.
SO, UM, WE STILL HAVE SOME MONTHS BEFORE THAT PROCESS OCCURS, UM, WITH THE TAB PROJECT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE JUST AN ANNUAL CA CALENDAR OF OUR CIP PROCESS.
AND A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS HERE IN, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR SCHOOL PROJECTS OCCURRED DURING THE SUMMER, THE EXCEPTION BEING MAJOR RENOVATIONS, AS IS THE CASE WITH TAD.
THIS WILL BE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT.
AND THEN OVER THE SUMMER, THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE STAFF ASSESS ALL THE FACILITIES.
AND FROM THESE ASSESSMENTS, THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN IS DEVELOPED.
AND THIS IS WHAT IS DONE IN OCTOBER.
ALSO IN OCTOBER, THE COUNTYWIDE CIP COMMITTEE BEGINS MEETING AT WHICH DR.
THE SCHOOL DIVISION HOLDS COMMUNITY BUDGET MEETINGS AND SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS, UM, AND SCHOOL DIVISION STAFF MEET WITH THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS STRUCTURING OUR FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN, UH, WITH THE COUNTY'S DEBT SCHEDULE AND WITH THEIR CIP.
SO WE, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION THE DEBT IMPLICATIONS OF THAT SCHEDULE.
IN DECEMBER, THE CIP IS PRE, I'M SORRY, IN NOVEMBER, THE, UH, FACILITY'S MASTER PLAN IS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
AND WE ALSO HOLD A PUBLIC IN, UH, PUBLIC FORM ON THAT MASTER PLAN AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER, STAFF PRESENTS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN TO THE BOARD.
AND WE ALSO HOLD A, A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.
IN JANUARY, A STAFF WILL PRESENT A BUDGET UPDATE AND CIP UPDATE TO THE BOARD.
AND THEN LATER THAT MONTH, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD APPROVES OUR CIP AND THEN THAT IS, UH, SENT OVER TO THE COUNTY TO BE INCORPORATED IN THEIR PLAN.
IN APRIL, THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE STAFF BEGAN PLANNING FACILITIES ASSESSMENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
AND IN MAY, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT SCHOOL BOARD BUDGET AND CIP AND HOPEFULLY THE, UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT
RIGHT? AND IN JUNE, THE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT BEGINS AGAIN IN CONSTRUCTION FOR OUR SUMMER PROJECTS BEGIN IN JUNE.
THAT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CALENDAR.
AND, UH, NOW I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO DR.
CAROL WHO'S GONNA PROVIDE SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION AND, AND DOLLARS RELATED TO THE TAP PROJECT.
THANK YOU MR. BOWEN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IT'S NICE TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, BEGIN BY REMINDING YOU OF WHAT DR.
CHAND OR SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS PRESENTATION, LOOKING AT OUR MAJOR SYSTEMS OF ROOFS AND HVAC AND THEN OUR RENOVATION SCHEDULE AND HOW IT'S BEEN A BIT TIME SINCE WE'VE BEEN AT TAB HIGH.
UH, SO, UH, THE FIRST TIME WE SEE, UH, THIS PROJECT IS BACK WHEN WE STILL HAD A 10 YEAR MASTER PLAN.
AND THAT'S AN FY 16 WHERE THE FUND WAS, UH, WHERE WE WERE PROJECTED TO START THE CONSTRUCTION FY 19.
THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THINGS FLOAT IN THE, UH, IN THE MASTER PLAN OR THE CIP BECAUSE
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CONDITIONS CHANGE.WE HAVE A ROOF THAT'S GONE BAD, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE IT UP.
WE'VE, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, A BUILDING WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD ANYMORE GOES OFF.
AND SO IT STARTED IN 16, UH, AS FAR AS ON A PLAN FOR JUST HVAC ROOF AND REPLACING THE WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT TIME WE REALLY LOOK AT IT, UH, MAKING A CHANGE IS IN FY 18.
AND THAT WAS A YEAR WHERE WE SWITCHED FROM A 10 YEAR PLAN TO A SIX YEAR PLAN.
BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION SWITCHED THEN.
UH, SO YOU SEE THE COST GO DOWN PROJECTED COST BECAUSE THE ROOF FELL OFF THE BACK END.
UH, AND THEN WE, IT RETURNS THE NEXT YEAR IN FY 19.
UH, BUT YOU ALSO SEE THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME SLIDE AND, AND WHERE WE'RE HAVING THAT HAPPEN AND WE MOVE ON.
AND AS THINGS MOVE ALONG, WE'VE GOT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADD LOCKER ROOM, UH, RENOVATIONS AND RESTROOMS ACROSS OUR SECONDARY SCHOOLS.
AND SO THAT GETS ADDED IN ON THE SAME YEAR.
BUT, UH, THAT'S ALSO GONNA GET, UH, WE'VE DELAYED THAT TO FOLD IT INTO A RENOVATION IF WE COULD.
SO WE WERE HAVING, UM, DISCUSSIONS FOR QUITE A WHILE ON THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FULL RENOVATION AT TAB BECAUSE IT WAS THE NEXT ONE.
AS SOON AS WE GOT CLEAR OF SEAFORD, THEN TAB WOULD BE THE NATURAL PLACE TO GO NEXT, UH, IN 22.
YOU SEE, WE HAD TO PUSH THE FUNDING BACK A YEAR.
AND THEN IN 23 WE THEN ADD THE OFFICE AND THE LEARNING COMMONS.
TRYING TO GET A LITTLE MORE TO HAPPEN OUT THERE.
BUT THE BIG CHANGE, I THINK THE ONE THAT HAS GOTTEN EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION IS IN FISCAL YEAR 25.
AND SO THE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT BECOMES SO MUCH LARGER IS EXACTLY WHAT MR. OWEN MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT THE DARE PROJECT WAS NOW NOT NECESSARY BETWEEN THE FACT THAT WE HAD DECENTRALIZED THE XTEND PROGRAM, BUT ALSO WE WERE VERY DEEP INTO THE REZONING PROJECT.
AND, UH, AS WE WERE STARTING TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH DARE IF WE REZONED GEOGRAPHICALLY, IT WAS JUST GETTING SO LARGE THAT WE HAD NO WISH TO MAKE IT ANY LARGER.
AND, AND WE ALSO ADDED, IF YOU RECALL, AFTER COVID, WE HAD, WE, WE STARTED THE ONE-TO-ONE INITIATIVE AND WE STARTED THE ONE-TO-ONE COMPUTER, UH, UH, INITIATIVE OR CHROMEBOOKS OR WHATEVER.
UM, WE NO LONGER NEEDED TO HAVE COMPUTER LABS IN OUR SCHOOLS.
SOME, SOME ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAD TWO LABS.
SO WE PICKED UP SOME SPACE FROM THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? BUT BETWEEN THE REZONING, THE WAY THAT WAS LOOKING AND, UM, THE, THE EXTEND CHANGE, NOW THE DARE PROJECT IS REMOVED IN THE FY 25 AND WE LOOK TO RETASK THAT MONEY.
'CAUSE NOW HERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RENOVATION AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE WISH TO DO THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND, AND REMEMBER THAT IT'S THAT RENOVATION, BUT WE'RE ALSO COMBINING PROGRAMS OR PROJECTS THAT WE WERE DOING ACROSS THE DIVISION.
THE LOCKER ROOMS WERE BEING LOOKED AT, AT, UH, WE DID 'EM AT YORK, HIGH YORK MIDDLE, AND, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF TAB UH, THIS YEAR.
BUT WE DIDN'T FINISH, DIDN'T FINISH IT OUT.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE LEARNING COMMENTS THAT DR.
CHAND OR MENTIONED EARLIER, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THINGS NOW THAT WERE KIND OF SMALLER PROJECTS AT OTHER SCHOOLS THAT WE WOULD WANNA FOLD INTO THE RENOVATION.
YOU GOTTA KEEP UP WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SHIFT OF WHAT YOUR CIP HAD FOR AND THEN WHY YOU CRUNCHED IT DOWN TO TWO YEARS, OR, OR NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW WHEN WE DID NOT, UH, ANY LONGER NEED TO EXPAND, DARE STEP PART, THERE WAS 20 AND A HALF MILLION ON THE CIP FOR THAT.
NOW WE COULD LEAVE A HALF MILLION 'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A HVAC WORK THERE, BUT NOW THERE WAS 20 MILLION THAT COULD BE RE-TASKED FOR ANOTHER.
SO THIS, SOMEWHERE IN HERE, WE'RE GONNA GET TO WHY YOU CRUNCHED IT DOWN, RIGHT? WHEN I SAY CRUNCHED DOWN, YOU MADE IT SHORTER PERIOD VERSUS THE FIVE YEARS.
I MEAN, PART OF IT IS THERE'S, THERE'S SYSTEMS AROUND US IN MY EXPERIENCES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS IN ADMINISTRATION, HAVING A SCHOOL DISRUPTIVE FOR FIVE TO SIX YEARS FOR A RENOVATION ISN'T WHAT'S BEST FOR KIDS.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT WHAT'S BEST FOR TEACHERS.
SO I, IT WASN'T A LET'S PUSH IT, LET, LET'S CRUNCH THIS DOWN AS FAR AS WE CAN.
WE MET WITH SUSAN FOR A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS.
SO THEY COULD UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE WHY, WHICH WAS LET'S NOT DISRUPT A HIGH SCHOOL OR ANY SCHOOL FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
LET'S TRY IF WE COULD DO THREE, IF WE COULD DO TWO.
SO WE WORKED DURING THAT TIME TO LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE DEBT SERVICE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE BELOW THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE HAD SEVERAL ITERATIONS THAT WE, WE WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH ON
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AND, UM, THEY WOULD COME WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER FOR A CERTAIN YEAR AND WE WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A CASH INVESTMENT ON THIS YEAR, IT WOULD DROP DOWN THE DEBT SERVICE, ET CETERA.SO WE SPENT TWO MONTHS ON THAT WITH STAFF TO, UM, SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I, I DON'T, I THINK IT WAS A, IT SOUNDED LIKE A DRILL, BUT I THINK IT WAS A PHONE
SO ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR, UM, MOVING IT FROM SIX TO THREE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING SEAFORD FOR TWO YEARS WAS, WAS TOUGH.
RIGHT? BUT WE, BUT AT SEAFORD IT WAS EASIER BECAUSE THE WHOLE FIRST YEAR WE WERE REALLY BUILDING A WING ON THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A LARGE COMPREHENSIVE HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMMUNITY EVENTS, YOU HAVE THE AUDITORIUM STUFF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MUSICALS AND THEATER AND ATHLETICS AND EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CLUBS ARE AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL, I WOULD GUESS 40 TO 50 CLUBS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF AFTERSCHOOL THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST A SEVEN TO TWO 30 OR TWO 15, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OPERATION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, SO, SO IT'S PRINCIPALLY THE, THE IS IS TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION TO THE SCHOOL ITSELF, RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY SAVINGS DETERMINED IN THIS, THIS PERIOD? LIKE PER LIKE, AVAILABILITY, RESOURCES, STUFF LIKE THAT? I, I MEAN, AGAIN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TOO EARLY FOR US TO TELL THAT BECAUSE WE WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I, I WOULD, MY ANSWER WOULD BE YES BECAUSE OF, UM, INFLATION.
SO YOU STILL WOULD HAVE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO IT IN THREE YEARS, THERE'S THREE YEARS THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LATER THREE YEARS YOU WON'T, YOU KNOW, HIT AGAIN.
WE'RE FACING A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TARIFFS THING'S GONNA GO.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH A SITUATION WITH, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE BACK, UM, SUPPLY CHAIN.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PROBLEM.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME SORT OF PROBLEMS. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE MAIN REASON WAS FOR LET'S NOT DISRUPT THE SCHOOL FOR ANY LONGER THAN WE HAVE TO WHILE WE'RE UPGRADING.
I THINK ONE OF, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKED ABOUT INFLATION.
WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE TENS OF MILLIONS, UM, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IT AT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, BUT I KNOW TENS OF MILLIONS, THE A PERCENTAGE HERE, A PERCENTAGE THERE MOUNTS UP TO A LOT OF MONEY, UM, INVESTMENTS OR IF YOU HAVE TO BUY STUFF, RIGHT? SO I'M JUST, THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO ANY SAVINGS IN TERMS OF YOUR, HOW YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A THREE YEAR PERIOD SHORTER THAN WHAT YOU ASKED YOU WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING FOR.
UM, BUT IT'S STILL SOME SAVINGS I WOULD THINK, IN TERMS OF PURCHASING SUPPLIES.
AND I THINK THERE'S, AND, UH, DR.
CARROLL'S LAST SLIDE, HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT, I THINK THERE'S FIVE BULLETS ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK ON LOWERING THE PRICE.
SO IF WE WANNA LET DR. CARROLL JUST FINISH, HE HAS MAYBE SURE.
WHY THE JUMP FROM, CALL IT 10 MILLION NOMINALLY TO 37 OR 40 MILLION? WHAT, WHAT CHANGED? WHAT THAT WAS THE, THE 20 MILLION AND ALSO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE THAT WE WERE BEING BIASED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD SOME CONTINGENCY FOR THE INFLATION IN THE, IN THE, UH, SOFT COSTS THAT YOU'RE UNAWARE OF.
BUT I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 37.9 MILLION UP THERE, THAT IS ONLY TWO AND A HALF MILLION OVER THE PREVIOUS YEARS COMBINED DARE AND UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT DID YOU ADD TO TAB THAT SUDDENLY CAUSED IT TO MORE THAN TRIPLE AND COST? THAT'S THE QUESTION MARK.
WE HEARD GEOTHERMAL AND IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDED IN 26.
NO, IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE SHERIFF BUILDING WAS 3.8 MILLION FOR GEOTHERMAL.
SO HOW DO YOU POSSIBLY RELATE A 40 SOMETHING NUMBER? THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING.
WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT JUMP THAT TOOK YOU FROM
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, I BELIEVE THE SWITCHGEAR WAS ANOTHER WELL, BUT THAT WAS PART, THAT'S PART OF THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THAT'S A 4 MILLION, I THINK IN, UH, INCREASE.
BUT WHAT, WHAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25, SO NOW THE WHOLE PROJECT HAS COME INTO VIEW.
WE'RE TALKING NOW ABOUT A BACK ENTRANCE AT THE, UH, GYM THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUMPHOUSE THERE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, GEOTHERMAL AND ALSO TO IMPROVE THE BATHROOMS BACK THERE IF ANYBODY'S GONE BACK THERE.
THAT WAS MY FIRST IMPRESSION OF TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
THE SECOND DAY I WORKED HERE, UH, DR.
SANDOR TOOK ME TO A BALL GAME THAT NIGHT, AND MY FIRST IMPRESSION OF A YORK COUNTY SCHOOL WAS THAT BACK ENTRANCE.
YEAH, WELCOME BY THE DUMPSTERS.
UM, AND THAT'S NOT A GREAT FIRST IMPRESSION, BUT THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ENTERED THE SCHOOL FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UH, BUT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OP OF THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT THE PUMPHOUSE WOULD BE THERE.
SO WE, WE LOOK AT THE, UH, THE BACK ENTRANCE AND, AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE.
UH, ALSO TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU GO
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DOWN THAT ROAD, THIS, THIS IS WHERE IT GETS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THESE PROJECTS.YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I'M FAMILIAR WITH TAB HIGH SCHOOL TO A POINT, OKAY? I DON'T LIVE THERE LIKE YOU GUYS DO, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO UNDERSTANDING THE EXPENSE MM-HMM
I MEAN THIS 30, WHAT IS IT? 37.9 MILLION.
AND, UM, BIG, A BIG PIECE HAS GEOTHERMAL CORRECT? YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.
BUT THAT'S, BUT YOU TO HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GEOTHERMAL? BUT WITH GEOTHERMAL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING IN AND WE ARE REDOING THE HVAC SYSTEM ANYWAY, SO, OKAY.
THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST IS, I THINK I SENT OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, UH, IS TWO AND A HALF MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COST ALONE.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU'RE STILL GONNA SPEND ALL OF THAT TWO AND A HALF ON A STANDARD HVAC SYSTEM.
SO THE GEOTHERMAL, SO WHETHER, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONLY A DIFFERENT, THAT'S ANY DIFFERENCE IS TWO, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION, GEOTHERMAL, AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE H THE STANDARD HVAC.
RIGHT? REALLY? BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNCLEAR.
IT WAS UNCLEAR TO ME BECAUSE WE WERE SPENDING THAT MUCH ADDITION TO WHAT SENT OUT.
THEY SAID, I KNOW JUST STILL, YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MUCH CRAP CAN YOU READ IN ONE DAY? RIGHT.
SO, SO THE POINT, THE POINT IS, UM, SO JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT DIFFERENCE, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S SORT OF KIND OF GETTING TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH HERE.
YOU GUYS GONNA DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR MONEY, WE JUST GOTTA GIVE IT TO YOU AND GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GIVING.
SO, SO, SO UNDERSTAND THERE'S DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE GEOTHERMAL, UM, THE PUMP HOUSE PART MM-HMM
'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
THE FIRE STATION, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RIVERWALK, RIVERWALK, THAT'S WE, SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GEOTHERMAL? YEAH.
RIGHT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PRICES, HOW THE PRICE DIFFERENCE IS, BECAUSE IN THE END ON THIS, SOMEBODY'S GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK IT IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOES, IT'S GONNA BE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BENEFIT, COST BENEFIT FOR THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, PART OF IT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE SHARED THIS YET.
I MEAN, TAB HIGH SCHOOL WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE BUILDING TO RUN.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT, HOW, HOW MUCH EXPENSIVE? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? YEAH, SO BILL, DO YOU HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER.
YOU, I, I DID, I HAD ASKED DR. CARROLL FOR IT.
YEAH, BUT I, IT DIDN'T COME IN.
THIS WAS, BUT, BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON THIS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND YOU LOOK AT BREWTON HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME BUILDING, SAME FOOTPRINT.
AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS ONE GYM AND HALF A GYM, HALF A GYM, AND THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER ENROLLMENT, BUT THAT ALSO, UH, CAN MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE TO HEAT IN THE WINTER.
BUT LOOKING AT THOSE TWO, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, UH, BRUTON OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS SPENT 115,000 ON ELECTRICITY.
WHAT IS 1 28 AND 1 61? 1 15, 1 28.
THAT'S THE LAST THREE, THREE YEARS FOR A TOTAL OF 405,000 OVER THE THREE YEARS.
TAB 2 0 6 2 3 4 2 67 FOR A TOTAL OF 709,000.
SO EACH YEAR IT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MORE TO OPERATE TAB HIGH YES.
LIKE I SAID, NOT EXACTLY APPLES TO APPLES PRETTY DARN CLOSE.
AND BRUTON HAS GEOTHERMAL RIGHT'S, RIGHT? WHAT DOES BRUTON HAVE? GEOTHERMAL.
YEAH, IT DOES HAVE GEOTHERMAL.
SO WE FEEL LIKE THE GEOTHERMAL QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED A LONG TIME AGO.
THAT IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU MORE EFFICIENCY AND IT'S ALSO GONNA LIVE PAST THE LIFE OF THE SYSTEM THAT WILL BE PUTTING IN THIS GO ROUND.
BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME YOU GO TO PUT IT IN YOUR WELLS ARE ALREADY THERE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY LIVE PAST, HOW MUCH PASSED? I'M NOT AWARE OF A THE, THE END DATE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD TO REPLACE ANYTHING, UH, ANY WELL FIELDS THAT WE'VE PUT IN.
HAVE YOU ALL HAD TO DO THAT YET? CHANGES WE'VE HAD TO DO ARE JUST SUPPLEMENT SEAFORD.
WE ADDED TO THE GEOTHERMAL FIELD.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REPLACEMENT, THEN AFTER A THING HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT IN AND THEN YOU COME BACK YEARS LATER FOR REPLACEMENT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT THE SAME THING THAT YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING IN NOW, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT, EXCEPT THE WELLS THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING THE WELLS, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO, TO DO THE, UH, PUMP HOUSE.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S SOME ELECTRICAL, UH, COMPONENT TO THAT.
SO IN TOTAL, THIS GEOTHERMAL WELL IS GONNA COST 37.9 MILLION.
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THAT THE WHOLE I SAY WELL, THE WHOLE SYSTEM, NO.AND SO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION COST ALONE, NOW, THIS ISN'T YOUR DESIGN AND YOUR CONTINGENCY.
WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER, UH, 10% EACH IS, UH, THE, IF WE WENT WITH A STANDARD HVAC CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE 12 AND A HALF MILLION.
AND THE, UH, THE, UH, GEOTHERMAL RUNS JUST SHORT OF 15.
THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE.
WHERE NUMBER COME FROM THEN? EVERYBODY SAY THAT THE 12 AND A HALF, 12 AND A HALF AND 15, THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT TABLE, MR. JUROR.
SO BASED ON COMPARISON TO BREWTON, IF YOU SWITCH TAB TO GEOTHERMAL MM-HMM
WE'RE SAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
WE'RE GONNA SAVE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, UH, RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE IN OUR OPERATIONAL FUNDS AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
BUT YOU GONNA SPEND $15 MILLION TO DO THAT.
GET, BUT WE WOULD, BUT WE WOULD BE SPENDING 12 AND A HALF ANYWAY, RIGHT.
REMEMBER, THE HVAC SYSTEM IS 27 YEARS OLD.
IT'S PA IT'S ALREADY PASSED ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY FROM WHEN WE WOULD REPLACE AN HVAC.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE TYPICALLY BETWEEN 20 AND 25 YEARS.
SO WE'RE SPENDING, SO KIND OF, SORT OF GETTING TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BUT GETTING TO THE, THE TWO AND A HALF.
BASICALLY IT'S TWO, TWO AND A HALF MILLION MORE TO SAVE AND SAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
IT'S STARTING TO MAKE SOME SENSE.
SHERIFF'S BUILDING COST WAS CHILDREN AND THE HVAC WOULD'VE TO BE REPLACED BEFORE YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH, WITH THE GEOTHERMAL.
NOW ALL THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE CAPTURED IN, UM, THERE'S $3 MILLION SOMEWHERE.
TAKE IT OUT OF THE, UH, WHAT'S THAT FUND? THE, UH, REVENUE STABILIZATION.
I, MR. BOWEN, WAS IT FIVE? I THOUGHT WE WERE CONTRIBUTING 5 MILLION TOTAL MILLION.
SO IT'S GONNA BE 5 MILLION IN CASH.
AND, AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CIP RIGHT, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO, WHAT WE BROUGHT TO OUR BOARD, THEY APPROVE.
NOW WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU IS ONLY THAT ONE COLUMN.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS I COLUMN ON WHICH COLUMN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WHAT, HOW MUCH, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 60.
CURRENT YEAR, JUST LIKE I TELL YOU, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CIP, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN THAT CURRENT YEAR.
3 MILLION, THAT'S 3 MILLION IN THE CURRENCY.
SO I'M BACK TO WHERE I'M, OKAY, SO THE 3 MILLION, UH, IS GOING IN CASH.
THE REST OF IT'S GONNA BE DEBT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THAT LITTLE BUMP UP IN THE PERCENTAGE WHICH GO FROM WHATEVER, 7.9, 8.9, WHICH IS JUST UNDERNEATH OUR CAP.
SO WHEN, AND THEN IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS CORRECT, THE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WON'T COME DUE UNTIL ABOUT THE FIRST PAYMENT'S, LIKE IN 29.
IT'S TWO YEARS AFTER COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
SO ITS PROJECT IS GONNA BE COMPLETED WIN.
SO WE BELIEVE THE FIRST PAYMENT TO COME DUE THERESA, 28 OR 29, I JUST SAID 28.
SO THE FIRST PAYMENT COMES DUE AT 28 AND THAT'S GONNA BUMP UP OUR DEBT PAYMENT 1.7 MILLION.
I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO 3 MILLION, $40 MILLION.
PROJECT OVER A 30 YEAR BOND IS ABOUT 3 MILLION A YEAR.
WELL, I THINK YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST YEAR, BUT ALSO EACH YEAR DEBT IS FALLING OFF THE PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY I'M ONLY TALKING THIS ONE YEAR.
THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE ABOUT $3 MILLION OF COST.
DEBT DROPS BE TAKING, WE, I'M DEALING WITH THE, THE WOLF, IT'S CLOSEST TO THE SLED AND THIS IS THE WOLF
SO, UM, SO IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 1.7 MILLION DEBT.
DEBT PAYMENT WILL COME DUE AT 28.
RIGHT? IT'S INTEREST ONLY IN 28.
THAT'S JUST THE FIRST, THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THIS PAYMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE, THE 39.
I'M TRYING TO THINK BASED ON THAT.
UM, IN 28 WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A REQUIREMENT INCREASE IN OUR, OUR OUR, UH, NOT REVENUE, BUT EXPENDITURES OF $1.7 MILLION BUILT INS COME DUE.
SO IF SOMETHING DOESN'T COME OFF THE BOOK AND WE GOT, AND THAT SHOWS UP, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE ABOUT, PROBABLY ABOUT THAT TIME, IT'S GONNA BE 1 CENT ON THE TAX RATE BECAUSE I RIGHT NOW'S 1.3.
SO IN A COUPLE YEARS LEGISLATION GOING, THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT ONE ANOTHER.
RIGHT? WELL, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
SO BECAUSE THERE'S DEBT FALLING OFF IN FUTURE
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YEARS, AS THE TAB HIGH DEBT COMES ON, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG SPIKE IN 28.OKAY? THAT'S THE FIRST YEAR WE MAKE OUR TAB PAYMENT, UH, FIRST PAYMENT ON TAP HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE 26TH WORK.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A BIG BUMP IN DEBT SERVICE BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER DEBT THAT'S FALLING OFF THAT YEAR.
YEAH, BUT WE, YOU PUT IN THE CHART, YOU SHOWED US THAT IT TOOK 29.
SO THAT'S IN 29 WE SEE THE INCREASE AND THAT'S BEEN TAKEN IN THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO WE'LL SEE THE INCREASE, BUT THAT'LL BE WHAT, 1.7 AGAIN, COMBINED AS A RESULT OF TAP HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAT SERVICE.
3 MILLION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WILL WE ADDRESS, BUT DO WE ADDRESS WHEN, SO WHEN WILL WE ADDRESS THIS? IN 2008 OR 2009? 28, YEAH.
SO FOR THE BUDGET FOR 28, WE'LL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE, WE'LL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXTRA DEBT LOAD.
SO I JUST, JUST PUTTING THIS TOGETHER 20 YEAR, BUT, AND ALL, ALL THIS, BUT BEING SAID, OKAY, THE EXPENSES TO DO THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, I GUESS WE GOTTA SAY IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE GOTTA DO BECAUSE OF THE COST.
UH, BECAUSE WE, IF YOU PUSH IT OFF AND LET IT GO, THEN I'M, I'M EXPECTING THINGS TO GET WORSE.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE SO PROUD OF AS A COUNTY IS WE'VE MANAGED OVER THE LAST, AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK TO THE LAST 11 YEARS AND PRIOR, UM, THIS COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL DIVISION HAVE WORKED CLOSE TO MAINTAIN OUR FACILITIES.
I MEAN, WE'VE REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB OF THAT.
WHETHER IT'S A ROOF, HVAC SYSTEM, MATRIX SYSTEMS. WE'VE ALSO DONE, YOU KNOW, SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, UPDATING OR UPGRADING, YOU KNOW, LIBRARIES AND OTHER SPACES IN THE SCHOOLS TO, TO BRING THOSE THINGS FORWARD.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT OUR ATHLETIC FACILITIES, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK.
YOU ALL, I APPRECIATE YOU SUPPORTED, UM, THE, ALL THE CHANGES TO ALL OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUMS. I MEAN, THAT IS A MASSIVE CHANGE.
I MEAN THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN DONE LIKE IN 72 YEARS, 72 YEARS, I'M SORRY, SINCE 1972 AND WELL, 50, 54 YEARS.
SO, SO KNOWING THAT WE WE'RE UPGRADING LIGHTING AND SEATS AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND THE CURTAINS IN THERE ARE FALLING AND SHREDDING APART, WE HAVE CHAIRS AT YORK HIGH SCHOOL THAT KIDS SIT IN THAT ARE BREAKING.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT WITH THAT.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE'VE DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB OF, OF KEEPING UP WITH THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION THAN MANY OTHER SCHOOL DIVISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR SCHOOLS ARE CRUMBLING, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT THAT'S A COST TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
AND I WAS GONNA, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW OVER FOR THREE YEAR AVERAGE FOR TAB HIGH SCHOOL, WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT $235,000 A YEAR ON ENERGY COSTS.
UM, YOU COULD SPEND THAT, THAT PRICE FOR THE NEXT 64 YEARS BEFORE YOU SPEND $15 MILLION ON UPGRADE.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DO GO ALL IN AND REVAMP THE WHOLE THING AND LIVE WITH THAT? AND BECAUSE THEN IF YOU'RE SAVING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR, IF THAT GETS YOU A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR SAVINGS, THEN YOU'RE EVEN MORE DECADES LONG BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU RECOVER, RECOVER THE RECOVER THAT COST.
AND THAT'S JUST ON THE PRINCIPLE, NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE INTEREST.
UM, IS THERE AN OPTION WHERE WE DO PIECE MARKS PAGES, WE WORK, CAN WE WORK OUR WAY INTO IT? AND THE GEOTHERMAL, NOT GEOTHERMAL, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO REGULAR HVAC DO THAT, BUT 12 AND A HALF MILLION.
WHAT'S THAT REGULAR H IF, IF IT'S 12 AND A HALF, IF YOU DO IT ALL AT ONCE, DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE? CAN YOU BREAK DOWN THE PIECE BARS? DO YOU HAVE TO RIP OUT ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UH, DUCT WORK IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP, IF YOU'RE GONNA STAY ON REGULAR, REGULAR HVAC? YEAH, I GUESS THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE STUDENTS AND WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE STAFF IN THE BUILDING AND THE COMMUNITY THAT USES THE BUILDING OR THE, SO WHAT, WHAT IS, SO FINANCIALLY SPEAKING, THAT ANSWER IS ONE ASPECT.
SO WHAT IS THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE PERSONNEL IMPACT OF NOT DOING IT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE PERSONNEL IMPACT? WELL, I MEAN, ARE ARE WE SITTING AROUND AND, AND, AND COACH OR WE DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE, BRING FANS IN.
I MEAN, ENERGY COST IS ONE THING, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT INTERRUPTING THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE TODAY WITH THE WAY THE SCHOOL IS CONDITIONED? YES.
I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S 35 DEGREES OUTSIDE OR 32 DEGREES, IT'S, IT'S REALLY COLD IN THAT SCHOOL.
AND WHEN IT'S 85 DEGREES, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HOT IN THAT SCHOOL.
AGAIN, IT'S A 27-YEAR-OLD SYSTEM.
SO, AND AGAIN, I GUESS IF I COULD, IF I COULD STEP BACK FOR A SECOND, MY JOB AS SUPERINTENDENT IS TO ASSESS ALL OF THE FACILITIES.
EVERY YEAR WE, WE HAVE A TEAM THAT DOES THAT.
THEN THEY DEVELOP A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WITH THE HELP OF ALL OF YOUR STAFF IN THE COUNTY.
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AND MAKE REALLY HARD DECISIONS EACH YEAR FOR OUT YEARS.WE WENT FROM A 10 YEAR TO A SIX YEAR, WHICH MADE IT, I THINK, MORE CHALLENGING FOR YOU ALL.
AND IT MADE IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR US.
WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THESE THINGS EVERY YEAR.
AND ONCE WE DO THAT, WE SIT DOWN WITH FINANCE FOLKS.
LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. BELLAMY, MS. GOODWIN AND MS. OWENS.
WE SAT FOR TWO MONTHS TO COME THROUGH WHERE THE DEBT SERVICE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK.
SO AS FAR AS MR. RON, AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENT RELATED TO, CAN WE PHASE THIS IN THE, THE PROCESS IS WHAT MR. BOWEN SHARED EARLIER.
THE PROCESS WAS WE DO ALL OF THESE STEPS, WE BRING THAT TO THE CIP TEAM, OUR BOARD VOTES ON IT, WE BRING THAT TO YOU, AND THEN YOUR DECISION IS AT THE END TO SAY EITHER YOU APPROVE IT.
YOU DON'T APPROVE IT, YOU PUT A NUMBER ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO BASED ON THE FIVE OF YOUR DECISION.
I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU PUT A NUMBER ON IT, THEN WE'LL, MY TEAM WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, ET CETERA, AND THEN WORK WITH OUR BOARD ON FIGURING OUT HOW THAT WILL WORK.
WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNTY AND DO THOSE NUMBERS ALL AGAIN.
BUT, BUT AS FAR AS SITTING AT THIS TABLE TALKING ABOUT PHASING THAT IN, I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T, I CAN'T FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A NUMBER AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S APPROVED, WHAT'S NOT APPROVED.
BUT WE, BUT WE CAN'T PUT A NUMBER ON UNTIL THIS, THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPREAD IT OUT, THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION.
OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE DISRUPTION OVER FIVE YEARS? BUT ALSO EVERY TIME YOU PUSH SOMETHING BACK, YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER, UH, 18 SCHOOL OR 17 SCHOOLS THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITH THEIR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE GETS PUSHED BACK.
SO YOU END UP GETTING A SNOWBALLING EFFECT DOWN THE LINE AT, AT SOME POINT, I WOULD THINK SOMEWHERE IN HERE YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, AND I, IT'S INTERESTING, UM, STEVEN'S COMMENT, UH, THE, THE ONE THING I THINK OF, I'M THINKING OF MY HOUSE.
IF I, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A BUNCH OF AIR CONDITIONERS, DO I REPLACE 'EM ALL OR DO I GET 'EM ONE, ONE AT A TIME AND THEN WAIT TILL THE OTHER ONE? DO I WAIT TO, TO FAIL OR BEFORE I RUN OUT AND GET IT? UH, BUT ONE THING I DO KNOW IS WHAT YOU BUY NOW IS NOT GONNA BE CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU BUY LATER.
THE SERVICE YOU GET NOW IS NOT GONNA BE CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU GET LATER.
SO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA END UP, I SUSPECT IF YOU PHASE IT IN, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THE FACT THAT IT MAY END COSTING YOU MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.
IT'S LIKE BUYING A CAR ON IT, ON WITH A LOAN.
YOU KNOW, THE CAR COSTS MAYBE 15, 20, LET'S SAY IT COSTS $20,000.
WELL, YOU GET THROUGH PAYING OFF $20,000 OVER SIX, SEVEN YEARS, HOW MUCH IS THAT GONNA COST YOU? SO I MEAN, THESE ARE FACTORS THAT ARE, I MEAN, SOMETHING HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND THE, AND THE PHASE IN LINE OF THOUGHT IS, LIKE YOU JUST SAID, DO YOU REPLACE IT WHEN IT FAILS OR DO YOU, OR DO YOU DO PRE UM, PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE? YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THE CHART, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH HERE DOESN'T WORK TODAY? UM, WELL, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING DOWN INTO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHETHER THE SCHOOL'S GONNA CONVINCE US TO GIVE, TO GIVE HIM THE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT, UH, UM, I I'M, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS.
UM, AND KIND OF PUT IT IN ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE.
THE DAY'S PAPER, I THINK IT WAS THE TODAY'S PAPER WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT, UM, CONSOLIDATING 10 SCHOOLS IN NOR 10 SCHOOLS IN NOR.
BUT ONE, THE ONE THING THAT GOT MY ATTENTION WAS THE ESTIMATED COST OF BUILDING A HIGH SCHOOL.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? $250 MILLION.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S GONNA BE A REAL, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT FOR, AGAIN, NOT TOMORROW, BUT THAT IS GONNA BE, I MEAN, YORK HIGH SCHOOL IS AN OLD BUILDING.
WELL, I'M AMAZED AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO, TO REBUILD THE SCHOOL.
UM, I MEAN, UH, WHEN I WAS RAISED IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA, THE SCHOOLS THAT MY, THAT WAS MY AUNT GRADUATED IN 1936 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S A MAGNET SCHOOL AND THEY'VE RECOURSE, THEY'VE REVAMPED THE SCHOOL.
BUT THE BUILDING, I COULD WALK INTO IT AND IT'S STILL THERE.
SO IT DOES, SCHOOLS ARE EXPENSIVE, SO IT'S AMAZING.
SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, ALMOST $50 MILLION, I'LL JUST USE A ROUND NUMBER.
$50 MILLION IS WHAT PORTION OF THIS IS ACTUALLY REBUILDING THE SCHOOL? I MEAN, IT'S, I I JUST LOOK AT IT.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT EVEN A QUARTER.
IT'S A FIFTH OF WHAT THE SCHOOL WOULD COST.
'CAUSE THE RULE I'VE USED HAS BEEN HOW IT'S CHANGED SINCE WE'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
IT USED TO BE ONLY LIKE $28 MILLION TO BUILD AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NOW.
AND THAT WAS, AND, AND YOU HAVE 75 MILLION TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN THAT'S GONE INTO THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS NOW.
SO THESE SCHOOLS ARE GETTING MORE EXPENSIVE AS WE GO.
AND THIS HAS ONLY BEEN IN 20 YEARS OR SO.
KELLUM HIGH SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN
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2014 FOR, I WANNA SAY $114,000 MILLION.WHAT A DEAL THAT WOULD BE TAKE, I COULD DISRUPT A MEETING ANYTIME.
AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING TODAY IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S 11 YEARS LATER, $250 MILLION.
SO YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
NOTHING YET CHANGED IN THE LONG RUN.
IT DOESN'T ALSO, DOES NOT KEEP, KEEP THING IN PERSPECTIVE TOO, WAS ONLY, WHAT, TWO, THREE YEARS AGO THAT WE FINISHED CONSTRUCTION ON A BRAND NEW STATE OF THE ART SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I THINK WE, WE, THAT COST THAT $25 MILLION.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND, SPEND $15 MILLION JUST TO DO GEOTHERMAL AT, AT ONE SCHOOL.
SO IT, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SPENDING 50 MILLION ON JUST GEOTHERMAL.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID 50 ON NO, NO, 15.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WHAT TAKES US FROM 15? I KNOW SOME OF IT'S A, A E AND, AND CONTINGENCY, BUT WHAT TAKES US FROM 15 TO 48? RIGHT? SO, SO TO, WELL, 48 IS NOT A NUMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
YOU, YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE THE TURF FIELD IS BEING, TAKE IS BEING FUNDED OUT OF REVENUE.
STABILIZATION MONEY, I BELIEVE.
MR. BOWEN? NO, THAT WAS OUT OF BONDS, BUT SORRY, THAT WAS OUTTA BONDS PREVIOUS PRIVILEGE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE TURF FIELD.
AND WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS GRAFTON RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S PAUSED BECAUSE OF SOME, UH, UH, PROBLEMS WITH, UH, WATERWORKS.
WATERWORKS AS FAR AS A RUNOFF CONCERNED.
BUT THAT WAS SEEN AS A SEPARATE PROJECT THAT WASN'T SEEN AS A PART OF THE RENOVATION.
UM, SO IT, WHY DON'T WE, SO WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION WHY DID IT, WHERE, WHERE IS THE EXPANSION? I, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CIP.
WE'VE GOT THE, WE'VE LISTED THAT OUT INTO SEVEN PARTS.
THERE'S THE GEOTHERMAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S THE WELL FIELD, THE LED LIGHTING, CONVERSION AND PAINTING.
AND THE LED'S GONNA SET, SAVE US A GOOD BIT OF ELECTRICAL COST.
ALSO, HERE'S THE GYM ENTRANCE THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT'S IN THE BACK THAT WILL INCLUDE THE GEOTHERMAL PUMPHOUSE.
THERE'S THE GEOTHERMAL CONVERSION AND HVAC RENOVATION AND ELECTRICAL UPGRADE.
BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT THAT SWITCH GEAR AND RELATED, UH, UH, RELATED ELECTRICAL THINGS ARE, UH, OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
THEN YOU'VE GOT, WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT A NEW ENTRANCE ON THE FRONT THAT WILL, WILL HAVE THE NEW LEARNING COMMONS AND A VO.
SO IT CAN BE FOR A COMMUNITY ROOM, OR IT CAN BE FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OR JUST A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM FOR THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN IN THE WAKE OF THAT, IF WE, IF WE PUT THAT NEW ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT, THEN WE CAN CONVERT THE OLD LIBRARY TO, YOU SAID FOUR, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR TO SIX CLASSROOMS, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW WE GO THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, THE ROOF REPAIR AND PREPPING IT FOR SOLAR.
IF WE WANT TO GO FOR SOLAR, IF WE GO FOR SOLAR, IT'S A LITTLE MORE MONEY IF WE'RE THE ONES LAYING THE MONEY OUT.
UH, BUT WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE A QUICKER RETURN ON INVESTMENT BECAUSE THEN THAT 236, UH, THOUSAND A YEAR DISAPPEARS.
SO LET ME GO BACK TO THE, UH, GEOTHERMAL PART.
THE CO UH, THE ROI, UH, IN, IN WHAT YOU'VE GIVEN US, YOU SENT US, I SEE THE REAL RROI AS 25 YEARS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO USE THE TERM RETURN ON INVESTMENT? BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT ROI IS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WATCH US DON'T NECESSARILY DO.
SO IT, IT WOULD BE 25 YEARS, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE GAINING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING 2.5 MILLION TO GET THAT.
SO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT'S 25 YEARS, BUT THAT'S ASSUMING A STATIC, UH, ELECTRICAL RATE.
AND THAT COULD CHANGE AS WE KNOW IT WILL CHANGE.
UM, BUT THE OTHER PART OF THAT, THAT I THINK HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, IN THAT 25 YEARS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACING HVAC SYSTEMS. THAT'S RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM.
SO WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
I THINK IT'S A, A FANTASTIC, ONE OF THE BEST INVENTIONS OUT THERE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
UM, SO I THINK THE GEOTHERMAL PART TO ME PROBABLY IS A NO BRAINER.
SO IT'S THE OTHER STUFF THAT'S ADDED TO IT THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S OVERBLOWN.
SO, BUT THE GEOTHERMAL, IF IT'S ONLY COSTING US TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD ALREADY
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COST PAY FOR H REGULAR HVAC, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A NO BRAINER.BUT ONE THING I HAD ASKED ABOUT TOO, WHAT IS THE MEANTIME BETWEEN FAILURE OR THE LIFESPAN OF SOME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE GEOTHERMAL, THE, THE, THE HEAT PUMP, UM, THE, THE CHILLERS AND SO FORTH.
I GUESS I HAVE TILLERS WITH, UH, WITH, UH, GEOTHERMAL.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS BREAK DOWN AND THEY, AND THEY FAIL.
UM, AND THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
DO THEY LAST PLUS 25 YEARS? YEAH.
DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD ASK MR. FULLER BECAUSE, UM, UH, WITH RIVERWALK 25 YEARS WITH GEOTHERMAL, IT'LL BE 20 THIS YEAR.
WHAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE HAVE WE DONE ON THAT? NONE OF THE GEOTHERMAL THAT WE'VE PUT IN.
IF WE HAD ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NORMAL, YOU KNOW, LIFECYCLE REPLACEMENTS, SAME WITH PUMPS.
AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE NORMAL LIFECYCLE REPLACEMENT WE TALKED ABOUT? WHERE'S OUR ENGINEERS? YEAH.
SO GENERALLY, AFTER YOU BURY THE WELLS, YOU'LL HAVE A LOOP SYSTEM.
AND THE LOOP SYSTEM, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T CUT IT OR BREAK IT, PUT IT ON A PARKING LOT.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WENT 40 OR 50 YEARS.
I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT THE PUMPS THEMSELVES? THEY'RE RUNNING OFF TIME.
THE PUMPS THEMSELVES ARE A LOT MORE, UH, EFFICIENT.
AND THEY LAST A LOT LONGER THAN WHAT YOU'D HAVE IN THE OLD SYSTEM.
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT, UH, COMPRESSORS.
CAPACITORS, YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN GROUND.
WELL, IN, IN GROUND, THE ONE HERE, YOUR CALL IS BURIED IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I, YOUR CALL WAS DONE BEFORE I WAS HERE.
SAME WAY, ELECTRIC PUMPS, IF YOU'VE GOT AN IN GROUND ELECTRIC, IF THE CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM IS INTACT, YOU JUST HAVE TO REPLACE THE WELLS IN THE SYSTEM INSIDE.
SO IT'S PROBABLY COSTING YOU HALF IS LESS IN 30 OR 40 YEARS THAN IT WOULD BE TO PUT IN A CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM ABOVE GROUND.
IF YOU GET YOUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN 25 YEARS AND TURN AROUND, SPEND THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO USE SWAP PACKAGES, LIKE YOU FINALLY PAY YOUR TRUCK OFF AND THEN THEN END LET GO, LET GO ON YOU.
SO ONE THING AS FAR AS THE RENOVATION, YOU KNOW, SEAFORD WAS $20 MILLION AND IT'S 79,000 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S, IT'S ALMOST TWICE THE SIZE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED RECENTLY THAT IN COMPARISON, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE COSTS AREN'T REALLY THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.
WELL, IF I CAN GET BACK TO THE COST THEN, UH, JUST FIRST ON THE, UH, THE TOTAL BOND LOAD, I WANT YOU TO REMIND YOU THAT IT ENDS UP AT 87.5 ON THIS CIP IT'S ONLY 600,000 THAT WE HAD ON THE CIP TWO YEARS BEFORE.
AND WE'VE ALSO, UH, AT THE 43.1, WE'VE ALSO KICKED IN 5.4, UH, ON THAT PLAN.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK, 200,000 CHEAPER ON THE BOND LOAD, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, EVEN THOUGH THE, WE HAD EXPANDED THE PROJECT.
WHAT CAUSED THAT, THAT CHANGE? I MEAN, WHY IS IT CHEAPER? WE PUT IN FIVE POINT.
'CAUSE WE'RE PUTTING IN 5.4 MILLION CASH, CASH.
SO, BUT WE UNDERSTAND, AND WE, AND WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE, THIS IS A BIG NUMBER AND WE HAVE, UH, NO, UM, DESIRE TO SPEND THAT MUCH BECAUSE EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND ON THIS PROJECT DEFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND IT ON OTHERS.
SO, UH, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
SO SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO DROP THAT COST ARE NUMBER ONE, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, FOR THE G UH, THERMAL WELL FIELD AND FOR THE LED REPLACEMENT, WE WENT STRAIGHT TO ENGINEERS TO DESIGN THAT.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTRACT WITH THEM DIRECTLY SO THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR PREMIUM.
ALSO THE TURF FIELD WE SAW AS A SEPARATE, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE WE WERE INTENDING TO DO ON A GRAFTON ALSO.
BUT WHEN WE GO TO BID, WE'RE GONNA BID THAT.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE ABOUT TO, UH, RELEASE THAT BID, UH, NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA PAIR THE LED LIGHTING WITH THE TURF FIELD, HAVE ONE COMPANY DO THAT SO THAT WE CAN GRAB SOME SAVINGS THERE.
IN ADDITION TO ALL THOSE, STARTING WITH NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE AN A AND E FIRM NOW, UH, WE HAVE HAD ONE MEETING WITH THEM AND WE ARE TRYING TO CHECK THEIR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, OR, UH, NOT SQUARE FOOT, 30,000 FOOT, UH, VISION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
WE, UH, WE TAKE ISSUES A STRONG WORD, BUT WE QUESTION SOME OF THE ESTIMATES THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN.
AND WE ARE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT REDUCING SCOPE WHERE WE CAN AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WE, UH, GIVE YOU THE QUALITY AND THE VALUE THAT WE'VE GIVEN ON SIMILAR PROJECTS, EVEN THOUGH THIS WILL BE ON A BIGGER SCALE.
UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, AFTER THAT, IF WE REDUCE THE, THE PRICE ON THE, THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, THEN THE A AND E COST WOULD DROP BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING
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AT ROUGHLY 10% AND THE SAME THING ON THE CONTINGENCY THAT WOULD DROP.SO, UH, EVERY, EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS AS FAR AS DROPPING THAT.
AND THEN ALSO WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, THE COMPETITIVE MARKET OF, UH, COMPETITIVE, UH, CONSTRUCTION BIDDING AND FOLLOWING NEGOTIATION, THAT WE CAN LOOK FOR SAVINGS THERE.
UH, ALSO, UH, WE MENTIONED THAT PART OF THIS IS PART OF THE LOCKER ROOM RENOVATIONS THAT WE'RE DOING ACROSS THE DIVISION.
WE'VE HELD OFF ON THE BRUTON LOCKER ROOM RENOVATION BECAUSE IT HAS A SIMILAR, UH, FOOTPRINT WITH BRUTON.
WE USE THE A AND E WORK FROM THIS ONE TO DESIGN THE BRUTON BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY ON THE BRUTON, UH, THE BRUTON, UH, RENOVATION.
AND TWO, THE LAST TWO ARE KIND OF LONG SHOTS.
UH, THERE'S A STATE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION ASSISTANT PROGRAM.
WE HAVE APPLIED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND NOT GOTTEN IT.
UH, THE NEXT SUMMER AROUND, THIS IS OUR YEAR
AND THEN THE, UH, AND THEN THE LAST ONE, I LIKE THE LAST ONE.
THE LAST ONE I, I HOPE IS STILL AROUND.
UH, WE'VE, UH, WE ARE NOW OPEN TO GETTING FEDERAL ENERGY CREDITS AS LONG AS THERE'S STILL, UH, A PART OF THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR THE GEOTHERMAL CONVERSION.
IF WE GO FOR THE SOLAR, SAME THING, THERE WOULD BE MORE.
BUT JUST FOR THE GEOTHERMAL ALONE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 850,000.
UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE DETAILS THERESA ON, UH, EXACTLY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, ESTIMATING.
AND THAT WOULD COME OFF THE PRICE ALSO.
SO WE'RE HOPING ALL OF THIS WILL A ONE TIME PAYMENT.
AND IT, IT'S A, IT'S A PROGRAM THAT CAME IN WITH THE, UM, INFLATION RATE ACT.
AND IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR THE GEOTHERMAL, BUT IT'S, IT'LL BE, UM, IT'S 30% OF THE COST OF THE GEOTHERMAL THE SAME SOLAR.
AND THEN THE SOLAR IS, IS ON TOP OF THAT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE AND DIFFERENT PRO, IT'S WITHIN THE SAME, UM, ACT.
BUT IT'S, IT HAS A FEW DIFFERENT RULES.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THAT MONEY DOES COME IN MUCH LATER.
SO, WELL MAYBE THAT'S FOR THE NEXT PROJECT.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT.
WE WELCOME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WELL THEN, SO WE, DID, WE GET ONTO ALL THE DETAIL WE NEED TO KNOW FOR THE, FOR THE, THE 44 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS NOW, WHERE ARE WE? THREE ONE.
DR. CARROLL READ EVERY PRO, EVERY, I THINK, I BELIEVE THERE WERE SEVEN DIFFERENT LINES.
SEVEN, SEVEN DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT THAT SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT THAT WAY ON THE CIP.
UH, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY SEND THAT ALONG AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT.
YEAH, I YOU COULD SEND THAT ON OUR CIP.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ON, WE ARE CIP IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY.
THIS, SO I THINK ONE, ONE THING IN REFLECTING ON SORT OF WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS YEAR, UH, ONE GREAT LEARNING LESSON FOR US IS OUR, UM, DESCRIPTIONS THAT WE'RE WRITING ARE MAKING SURE THAT OUR DESCRIPTIONS IN OUR CIP ARE, UM, VERY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE, THAT'S NOTED.
WE'RE GONNA CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT MOVING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR.
BECAUSE THERE WERE THINGS THAT I HAD TO SAY, WHAT IS THIS ONE? HELP ME.
DOES THAT COVER THIS AS WELL AS THAT? SO WE, WE, WE REALIZED THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THAT.
UM, TURF, TURF LIGHTING, FLOOD TURF I GUESS AS OPPOSED TO WHATEVER.
WHAT'S THE NORMAL LIGHTING YOU USE? DOCENT LIGHTING OR WHAT? THE LED YOU GONNA REPLACE IT WITH THISD? WELL, THERE IS NO LIGHTING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S NO LIGHTING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE, THE TUR FIELD IS BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD LIGHTING.
NOW THAT TURF FIELD, IS THAT GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO OTHER SCHOOL EVENTS? OR IS THAT JUST A PRACTICE? WERE YOU JUST DOING IT FOR PRACTICE? OH, NO, IT'S, THE WHOLE PART OF THAT WAS, THE WHOLE REASONING BEHIND THAT WAS WE, WE JUST RE TURFED BAILEY FIELD, I WANNA SAY TWO YEARS AGO.
'CAUSE THIS LIFE EXPECTANCY WAS OUT.
SO WE, WE REDID THAT, BEEN THAT LONG.
THEN WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING AT BRUTON BECAUSE IT WAS A, I MEAN, IT'S CALLED THE PIT FOR A REASON, RIGHT? IT WAS A MUD PIT.
AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE DRAINAGE THERE WAS, WAS HORRIFIC.
SO WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO DO THAT.
AND WE THANK Y'ALL FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A MR. MORGAN, UM, SORT OF, AND I DISCUSSION FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THOSE DOLLARS FOR THAT TO PUT THE MCGRATH AND TAB TO SAY THAT BAILEY IS OVERUSED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT BAILEY.
AND WHAT I MEAN FOR THAT IS FOR YORK, GRAFTON AND TAB GETTING ACCESS TO THAT FIELD.
I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS ROUND THE CLOCK, ESPECIALLY IN THE SPRING WHEN YOU HAVE TRACK SOCCER AND EVERY OTHER SPORT THAT YOU CAN THINK OF TRYING TO, AND, AND IN THE FALL WHEN YOU HAVE FOOTBALL AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, FIELD HOCKEY AND ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SO IT WAS, PART OF IT WAS TO EASE THE
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USE ON BAILEY, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE KIDS, THE KIDS IN COMMUNITY A GRAFTED A TAB, A HOME FIELD SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO BAILEY FOR EVERY SINGLE GAME.SO, SO WE'RE GONNA BE PLAYING WE'LL, YES.
YOU'LL, THEY'LL BE PLAYING VARSITY BOYS AND GIRLS SOCCER THERE.
THEY'LL BE PLAYING, UH, FIELD HOCKEY THERE.
THEY'LL BE PLAYING JV FOOTBALL THERE AND THEN IT'LL, IT COULD BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY USE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROGRAMS THAT USE TAD MIDDLE RIGHT NOW FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FOOTBALL FOR YOUNGER KIDS AND OTHER, SO, AND YOU, UH, AND NOR THE TRADITIONAL EVEN COLLEGE, HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IS THAT YOU HAVE THE FIELD AND THE MIDDLE AND AROUND THAT YOU HAVE THE TRACK.
BUT ALL YOU GOT DID, DID, UH, TAB, YOU GOT THE TRACK OFF TO ONE PLACE, THE FIELD AND ANOTHER.
SO, NO, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE FIELD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RIGHT BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL? RIGHT? NO, THE TAB THAT'S BEHIND THE PARKING LOT, IT'S BEHIND THE TENNIS COURTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT TENNIS COURTS ARE TAB WHERE, WHERE THAT IS? WE JUST RE WE, WE REDID ALL OF OUR TRACKS A FEW YEARS AGO.
SO THE, THE TURF FIELD IS GONNA BE WHERE THAT IS THE TRUTH BE TOLD.
THE FIELD BEHIND TAB HIGH SCHOOL DIRECTLY BEHIND IT WHERE SOCCER AND FIELD HOCKEY PLAY, IT'S NOT EVEN A REGULATION RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE 11 STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS, I BELIEVE IS IT 11 FOR FIELD HOCKEY.
AND NOW THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PLAY ON A, YOU KNOW, FULL SIZE FIELD IN THEIR OWN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE STANDS AND ALL THAT.
OR WHAT
THEY'LL BE A SMALLER, WE'RE NOT PUTTING MAJOR STADIUM.
IT'S FOR THE, IT'S FOR THOSE, THOSE SPORTS THAT I MENTIONED THAT DON'T, UM, TYPICALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, 5,000 PEOPLE THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A SMALLER NUMBER OF, OKAY, FOLKS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, BUT IT WASN'T RELATED TO FACILITIES.
OH, WHAT'S A RELATED NO, YOU CAN ASK IT.
WELL, I, I WENT THROUGH THE SALARY COMPARISON THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS DR.
CAROL PRESENTED BACK IN JANUARY.
MIGHT, I THINK IT WAS DR. WRIGHT.
THE, THE QUESTION THAT'S OBVIOUSLY RAISED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IS WHY IS YORK AT THE TOP OF THE LIST FOR STARTING TEACHER SALARIES OF THE ENTIRE REGIONAL COMPARISON? WE, WE ARE THE HIGHEST.
AND THAT THE ENTIRE REGIONAL? OR IS THAT JUST UH, NO, NO, IT IS.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL PROJECT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
ARE WE TALKING THE PENINSULA OR ARE WE TALKING THE WHOLE HAMPTON ROAD? HE, HE SAID REGION, BUT IT'S ACT THIS, THIS IS PENINSULA.
SO, SO IF I COULD PROVIDE SOME, UM, SOME PERSPECTIVE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY NUMBER ONE, RANK NUMBER ONE IN ON THE PEN PENINSULA, THAT'S 100% NOT TRUE.
NOT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CHART SHOWS.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, AND, AND I, I'LL SHARE, I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ON CAMERA, BUT THERE'S 31 STEPS ON OUR BACHELOR SCALE.
RIGHT? WE LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
SO WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED, THAT MEANS THAT YOU ARE IN THE TOP THREE.
SO OF THE 31 STEPS, THE ONLY STEP WHERE WE'RE FIRST IS THE FIRST STEP, AND WE'RE IN FIRST PLACE ON THE STEP ZERO.
THAT MEANS IT'S A, IT'S SOMEBODY CAME OUTTA COLLEGE, IT'S THEIR FIRST YEAR TEACHING.
AND THAT'S THE FIRST WE'RE NUMBER IN THE PENINSULA FOR STARTING SALARY BY $25.
NOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE REST OF THIS IS, WHICH IS HOW WE ASSESS, UM, THE PAY SCALES.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE MY FACTS STRAIGHT SO I GIVE YOU THE EXACT RIGHT NUMBER.
SO FOR THE BACHELOR'S SCALE, AGAIN, WE HAVE ONE STEP OUT OF 31 THAT'S RANKED FIRST.
WE HAVE 11 STEPS HERE THAT ARE RANKED SECOND 17 STEPS THAT ARE RANKED THIRD AND TWO STEPS THAT ARE RANKED FOURTH.
SO, AGAIN, TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE'RE THE HIGHEST PAID IS NOT ACCURATE.
I'M, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, HERE'S MY QUESTION TOO.
WHERE DO YOU THINK TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID? WHERE DO YOU THINK YOUR COUNTY TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID? WELL, OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WOULD BE IN THE TOP THIRD.
WE APPEAR TO BE HIGHER THAN THAT BASED ON THIS, THIS SPREADSHEET.
NOW, FOR, FOR THE PENINSULA, THE WAY HE JUST READ IT IS THAT IT'S ONLY IN THAT ONE CATEGORY.
WE HAVE ONE STEP WHERE WE'RE FIRST, AND IT'S STEP
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ZERO BY $25.EVERY OTHER STEP IS NOT FIRST.
BUT AGAIN, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU THINK OUR TEACHERS SHOULD BE PAID? SHOULD THEY BE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD? WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE PAID? SHOULD WE BE 5% HIGHER THAN JCC? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS CONSISTENTLY ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CHART.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE CLOSER TO THEM.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOUR, FOUR TO 5% LOWER.
SO ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE HAVE USED, UM, IN ASSESSING TEACHER SALARY SCALES AND WHY WE DO THESE COMPARISONS IS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, ATTRACT AND RETAIN TEACHERS.
AND, UM, AND THIS IS WHY WE SHOWED JUST THE TEACHER SCALE ONLY.
SO WE HAVE FEWER VACANT POSITIONS BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THESE SCALES.
IT USED TO BE, WHEN WE DID THESE PRESENTATIONS, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, IT WAS A REGIONAL COMPARISON.
AND WE WOULD COMPARE OURSELVES TO ALL THE SCHOOL DIVISIONS IN REGION TWO, WHICH INCLUDED VIRGINIA BEACH, CHESAPEAKE, OH, PORT, PORT SMITH, NORFOLK, SUFFOLK.
WE COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THOSE SCHOOL DIVISIONS.
AND SO WE PULLED, WE PULLED THAT COMPARISON OUT AND FOCUSED AND LOOKED AT AND SAID, OKAY, THE MAJORITY OF THE TEACHERS THAT WE'RE HIRING ARE ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE PENINSULA SCHOOLS.
SO WE'RE RECRUITING A LOT FROM NEW NEWPORT NEWS AND HAMPTON, AND SOME FROM GREENSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY.
BUT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THAT, IN THAT MANNER, BECAUSE WE NEEDED TEACHERS.
WELL, THERE IS A NATIONAL TEACHER SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH, AND WE'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR, UM, THE SAME LIMITED POOL OF TEACHERS.
SO THAT HAS HELPED US TREMENDOUSLY IN OUR EFFORTS TO HAVE QUALIFIED TEACHERS IN OUR CLASSROOMS WITH OUR STUDENTS.
NOT, NOT PARAEDUCATORS, NOT SUBSTITUTES, NOT LONG-TERM SUBS, BUT QUALIFIED TEACHERS.
THE STRUGGLE, THE STRUGGLE WE HAVE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR FIREMEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR DEPUTIES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR COUNTY STAFF, THEY'RE ALL WELL BELOW OUR COMPARATIVE NEIGHBORS.
SO WE STRUGGLE IN TERMS OF, AS WE CONTINUE TO PUSH MONEY TOWARDS THE TEACHERS, WE'RE TAKING IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IS THAT FAIR? AND THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT THIS BOARD HAS.
I I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING AFTER THE TEACHERS, THAT'S YOUR JOB.
OUR JOB IS TO ALSO COMPARE ALL THE REST OF THE STARTING SALARIES.
I I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE LOOKING AFTER THE TEACHERS.
IT'S WHAT'S BEST FOR THE STUDENTS.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE QUALIFIED TEACHERS IN THE CLASS, THEN THE STUDENTS ARE NOT BEING SERVED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE ONE OTHER THING ON THAT I, AND I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT LOOKING AT, YOU COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU PROVIDED US THE SHEETS, OKAY? MM-HMM
AND, AND SO JUST LOGICALLY, I MEAN, I, I DON'T GO FOR THE PENINSULA BECAUSE WE GOT, WHAT, 250,000 TEACHERS POSITIONS GOING SHORT.
THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS TO FILL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
AND SO, I MEAN, I GO FOR THE WHOLE AREA BECAUSE YOU'RE COMPETING WITH WILLIAMSBURG.
I MEAN, WITH NOT ONLY WILLIAMSBURG, BUT WITH, UH, CHESAPEAKE AND VIRGINIA BEACH, CHESAPEAKE AND ALL THAT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW HISTORICALLY OUR POSITION WAS TO BE MAYBE IN THE BOTTOM THIRD.
I MEAN, I MEAN, KIND OF THAT WAS WHAT I, I SAW SALARIES.
AND, BUT WHEN I COMPARED IT, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, THERE WERE NINE, NINE MUNICIPALITIES THE TOP OF THIS BACHELOR SHEET.
AND I, SO I WENT DOWN EVERY STEP AND I COMPARED YOUR COUNTY AND IT, OUT OF THE NINE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS LIKE 6, 8, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 6, 1, 4, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6.
EIGHT, NINE, AND ONE NINTH AT THE BOTTOM.
WHICH MEANS WE'RE PAYING LESS FOR PERIOD IF THE WHOLE REGION CORRECT.
THAT WE HAVE TO COMPETE FOR, FOR THE SCHOOLS.
I'LL TELL YOU, I THINK WHERE TEACHER SALARIES OUGHT TO BE AT THE TOP, BUT YOU THAT, BUT WE DO, HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE PROVIDE SUCH GREAT QUALITY AND OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM RANK SO DAMN HIGH IN OUR QUALITY EDUCATION SYSTEM? NUMBER ONE IN ALL THE HAMPTON ROADS, NUMBER THREE IN THE WHOLE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND ABOUT 130 SEVENTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE UNITED STATES.
HOW DO WE GET THAT WITH SO LOW SALARIES? WHY DO PEOPLE COME HERE WANT TEACH FOR LOWER SALARIES? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE YOU ALL TO THE SCHOOL.
SO YOU COULD ASK THE I'VE SEEN IT ALL.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S MORE THAN MONEY.
YOU LIVE IN THE TEACH STUDENTS, YOU HAVE TO TEACH THE, YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL SAFE IN THE CLASSROOM.
IS ALL THESE FACTORS GOING INTO PLAY THERE? I MEAN THAT'S, I HAVE TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION.
I'M, I'VE NOT BEEN A CLASSROOM TEACHER, UH, FOR OUR ELEMENTARY OR FOR OUR SCHOOLS.
BUT THE, BUT THE PARITY IS IMPORTANT TOO.
LIKE MR. ERY SAID, IT'S PART OF A LOT OF WHAT DRIVES THAT SAFETY IS WE HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS.
WE, WE PAY, PAY FOR THEM AND WE GIVE THEM A SALARY TO KEEP, KEEP THEM RETAINED AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, HA HAVE I UNDERSTAND.
SO YOU WANT TO PAY MORE FOR, OKAY, SO SEE, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL HERE WHEN YOU TALKING PAY COMPARISONS, OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT COMPARISON IS, IS PARITY.
WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT? IF YOU GOTTA PAY MONEY, YOU GOTTA GET TO THIS.
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THIS IS A DANGEROUS QUESTION TO GET INTO.SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, A POLICEMAN, A FIREMAN, A TEACHER, A DOCTOR? WHICH ONE DO YOU PAY MORE FOR? I TELL YOU WHAT I MEAN.
WELL, AND, AND I, AND I'LL, I, I'LL RESPOND BACK AT, AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, IF SOMETHING GOES BUMP IN THE NIGHT, YOU WANT THAT DEPUTY THERE POST ACE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, YOU WANT FIRE LAKE RESCUE THERE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THAT SEWER LINE BREAKS AND YOU GOT SEWER BACKING UP IN YOUR, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, BASEMENT.
YOU WANT THAT PUBLIC WORKS GUY THERE.
AND IT ALL FALLS UNDER WHAT YOU JUST CALLED IS THE HIERARCHY OF NEEDS.
THAT CAN BE, THAT COULD, I MEAN, BE DESCRIBED THAT SAME WAY.
SO IT'S THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND WHAT YOU NEED TO RUN TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER DAY THAT SALARY WAS 340 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THAT GUY THAT ONLY HAD FIVE EMPLOYEES.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
AND RIGHT NOW TEACHERS ARE GETTING MORE BECAUSE WHY COME BY CHIEF OVER HERE CAN TELL YOU WHY WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR 24 NEW FIRE FIREMEN BECAUSE WE WEREN'T PAYING 'EM ENOUGH.
SO HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? PART OF IT IS, IS TRYING TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE.
EVERY, EVERY YEAR YOU TRY TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MICHELLE MITCHELL IN NEWPORT NEWS, I KNOW WHAT, UH, RAYMOND HAYNES IS DOING IN HAMPTON.
I KNOW WHAT ARTIE'S DOING IN PCOS AND I KNOW WHAT OWEN HERRON WAS DOING UP IN WJCC.
SO WE TALK ABOUT THESE PERCENTAGES, AND I'M SURE YOU DO WHERE EVERYONE'S GONNA BE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A POKER GAME.
SOMETIMES THEY'LL COME IN AND SAY, OH, I CAN ONLY DO TWO THIS YEAR.
AND THEN THE RELEASE OF THE PAPER IS THEY DID FIVE.
RIGHT? SO, SO THERE'S THOSE THINGS.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN, YES, TEACHERS, ALL OF OUR STAFF ARE IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT BUS DRIVERS, I MEAN, THEY ARE, THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
THEY'RE DRIVING 75 KIDS
AND IF ONE SCHOOL SYSTEM GOES UP 50 CENTS, THE OTHER ONE BETTER BE WATCHING AND KNOW THEY BETTER MAKE THAT A CONSIDERATION.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST A CHALLENGE OF WHERE WE ARE.
WHETHER IT'S THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY SCHOOLS, ANY, ANY WALK OF COUNTY STAFF TOO.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR GOOD PEOPLE.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT MONEY IS ONE FACTOR.
THE CULTURE AND CLIMATE AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE A PART, A BIG PART OF IT AS WELL.
WELL, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL COME TO THIS, BUT THIS, IT, IT ACTUALLY IS A GREAT QUESTION THAT, THAT COMES UP ABOUT PARITY AND ALL THAT.
SO WE NEED FIVE MORE DEPUTIES, OUR SHERIFF RIGHT NOW, THAT'S CALLED EVERY ONE OF YOU.
AND WE NEED FIVE MORE DEPUTIES.
OKAY? WE, HOW SECURE DO WE FEEL IN OUR COMMUNITY, OKAY.
IS A MEASUREMENT OF WHETHER WE PROVIDE FIVE MORE DEPUTIES, BUT TO PROVIDE FIVE MORE DEPUTIES, WE HAVE TO EITHER CUT SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF THE BUDGET OR RAISE, HAVE TO RAISE THE TAX RATE HIGHER.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE MONEY'S COMING FROM.
SO THIS IS THE TOUGH JOB TO SUPERVISORS AND ANYBODY THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH BUDGETS, HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE EASY, BUT WE, WE HAVE TO STEP UP WHEN WE, WHEN FIGURING OUT WHAT WE NEED.
YOU HEAR THAT, BUDDY? I HEARD YOU WASN'T A WONDERFUL TOM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PLUG.
BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
APPRECIATE IT AND SPENDING THE TIME WITH US.
AND IF, IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER TODAY, I'M SURE YOU'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE COURSE.
AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS MY CELL NUMBER.
GIMME A AND THE WHOLE THING IS WE WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
'CAUSE WHAT DO WE DO? WE REPRESENT THIS INNOCENCE.
SO WE ALL TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
IS THAT ALL? WHAT ELSE DO, ARE YOU, WE'RE NOT ADJOURNED YET.
UNLESS YOU WANNA STAY FOR ALL THE GARBAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER.
I THINK WE NEED TO WALK SIX O'CLOCK, 6:00 PM DEPARTURE.
YOU HAVE A GOOD PLACE TO GO, MARK.
WELL, THE QUESTION IS, I THOUGHT WE HAD ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
[2.* Options to Reduce Tax Increase.]
DO.AND IT'S, UH, IN RE IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED AFTER THE PRESENTATION OF MY BUDGET.
RECOMME RECOMMENDED BUDGET ON THE 18TH.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
CAN YOU CHEW UP AT THE SAME TIME? NOT TODAY.
APPARENTLY THAT WASN'T HANDS FREE.
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TRUE.SO, UM, THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT I PROVIDE, UH, THE IMPACT OF REDUCING THE PROPOSED REAL ESTATE BUDGET.
WE DID, UH, 78 CENTS, WHICH WE WILL GET TO TONIGHT.
BUT I WANT, I DO WANT TO, UH, PROVIDE A COUPLE THOUGHTS HERE.
AND FIRST OF ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE ON THIS SCHEDULE WHERE WE'VE HAD, WE HAD ONE MEETING LAST WEEK.
WE HAVE TWO SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK.
SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A LOT TO DO.
AND I WANT TO TAKE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE STAFF, UH, NOT JUST THE FINANCE STAFF, BUT EVERYBODY THAT SHOWS UP FOR THESE MEETINGS, VIDEO SERVICES STAFF, THE IT STAFF, ALL OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HELPING US GET YOU THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE APPRECIATED.
UH, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE BASED ON, BASED ON OUR MEETING ON TUESDAY NIGHT, WAS, UH, I'M GLAD TO SEE, ALTHOUGH AT THE MOMENT, NOT, UH, OVERWHELMING, BUT I AM GLAD THAT WE HAVE HAD A, A LITTLE BIT OF INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS BUDGET MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT DOES, I KNOW FOR ME, IT STOPS ME AND, AND GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON, ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO I, I WANNA BE SURE, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BROUGHT IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION ON TUESDAY NIGHT WAS I HEARD A COUPLE FOLKS SAY, WELL, THEY HADN'T SEEN THIS, OR THEY HADN'T SEEN THAT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER THE CORE MESSAGE YES.
AND I WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT RIGHT HERE BEFORE I GIVE THE ANSWER TO, TO MR. ROY'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE CUT LOOK LIKE? MM-HMM
SO I, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
AND SPECIFICALLY I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUDGET'S PUT TOGETHER, HOW THE STAFF EVALUATES IT AND WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE.
SO THE EVOLUTION OF THE CIP, SO IT STARTED IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR WITH A REQUEST FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR CIP BUDGETS.
THEN IN OCTOBER, THERE WERE CIP COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ME AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION STAFF, IT COMES TO US.
I KNOW, UH, GREG GILLETTE AND I SAT DOWN A COUPLE TIMES AND WALKED THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER, I PRESENTED MY PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IN JANUARY AT YOUR BOARD RETREAT.
WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WHERE YOU HAD INPUT IN THAT IN MARCH, AGAIN, WE DID THE SAME THING.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE AT, UH, THE POINT WHERE, AS YOU CALLED IT, THE OTHER DAY, FURTHER REFINEMENT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS WELL.
AND YOU WILL ULTIMATELY ADOPT THE CIP SOME VERSION OF IT IN MAY.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, THE REQUESTED, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE TOLD YOU IN THE PAST THAT COUNTY STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS.
THERESA LIKES TO USE THE WORD SCRUB.
UH, TO ME, I LIKE THE TERM CUT, REDUCE, ADJUST.
SO I LIKE TO USE THOSE A LITTLE MORE DEFINITIVE.
AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY THEY FEEL TO ME.
SO WHEN THE CIP COMMITTEE LOOKED AT ALL THE REQUESTS, AND THIS INCLUDES SCHOOLS, DR.
CAROL AND, UH, MR. BOWEN WERE INCLUDED IN THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, THEY CAME TO THE TABLE AS WELL.
THE SENIOR STAFF LOOKED AT THE CIP REQUESTS AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ON THE COUNTY SIDE, THERE WAS $19 MILLION WORTH OF THINGS THAT WE COULD TAKE OUT.
SCHOOLS SAID ROUGHLY THE SAME THING, 20 MILLION FOR A TOTAL OF $40 MILLION.
AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE, UH, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY, UNLESS YOU HAVE DETAILS.
SO SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE REDUCED IN SCOPE.
AS AN EXAMPLE, THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY, WE PUSHED THAT OUT AND REDUCED THE COMP, THE, THE, UH, CONTRIBUTION TO $250,000.
WE MOVED, UH, GENERATOR RESPONSIBILITY, THE LIFECYCLE REPLACEMENT FROM FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY TO PUBLIC WORKS THAT ALLOWED US TO REDUCE THE CIP BY $1.3 MILLION.
UH, WE SLOWED DOWN THE LED STREETLIGHT CONVERSION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AND REDUCED IT BY $250,000 IN NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT HAD A DIRECT IMPACT ON 26, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM
AND THEN, UH, IN PUBLIC WORKS, WE REDUCE THE PARKING LOT REPAIR AND GROUNDS
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MAINTENANCE, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT BY $550,000.SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF REDUCING THE SCOPE.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DELAYED OR DEFERRED SYNTHETIC TURF CONVERSION, WHICH REDUCES BY 1,000,006, UM, MOBILE DATA TERMINALS, WHICH IS NOT THE ONES THAT ARE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE IN A FEW WEEKS, BUT OUT INTO THE FUTURE, YEAR FIVE, YEAR SIX OF THE CIP.
AND THEN FOR THE SCHOOLS, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY DELAYED, UH, QUEENS LAKE EXPANSION BY YEAR, UH, YORK HIGH SCHOOL, UH, THE BUS AND ANNEX PROJECTS BY ONE YEAR TO START IN FY 31 GRAFT AND COMMONS TO START IN A LATER YEAR.
AND THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DID.
THE STAFF, SENIOR STAFF TOOK OUT OF THE BUDGET CIP BUDGET.
SO THEN WHEN IT CAME TO GREG AND I, AND SOME OF THE OTHER SENIOR STAFF, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH IT, WE CAME TO IT AND SAID, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD DO.
WE COULD REDUCE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING RENOVATIONS.
WE COULD REDUCE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
WE COULD MAKE SOME MINOR TIMING AND COST ADJUSTMENTS.
AND BY DOING ALL THOSE THINGS, WE COULD CUT ANOTHER 6.2 MILLION OUT OF IT.
NOW, YOU ALL HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THIS YET, OKAY? YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THIS DOCUMENT YET.
AT THIS POINT, ARE WE GONNA GET YOU GONNA SEND THIS COMPENSATION? YOU CAN HAVE THE SLIDES.
UM, AND SO THEN I PRESENT THE CIP TO YOU.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT AT YOUR RETREAT AND AGAIN, LATER AT A WORK SESSION.
AND BASED ON THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU ASKED FOR, ANOTHER $6.7 MILLION WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE CIP.
AND, AND HERE ARE THE REAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THAT.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WHILE THERE, THERE ARE SOME CALLS THAT WE'RE NOT QUITE DOING ENOUGH.
THIS IS REAL MONEY IN THE CIP $53 MILLION FROM REQUEST.
SOME OF IT WAS REQUEST, NEW REQUEST.
SOME OF IT WERE THINGS THAT EXISTED IN THE CIP PRIOR.
AND WE TOOK THOSE OUT BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DID NOT MAKE OUR PRIORITY LIST.
SO THAT, HOW MUCH OF THAT 50 DECREE MILLION DOLLARS IS APPLICABLE TO 20 FY 26? I DON'T, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
I COULD GET YOU A NUMBER FOR THAT.
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS TOTALLY GONE OR BEING PUSHED? UM, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.
IS IT REASONABLE THAT WE COULD PUT THAT TOGETHER? MM-HMM
I'M JUST CURIOUS AS WELL, WHAT WE CUT, WE'LL MOVE THINGS FORWARD YEAR, OR WE'RE JUST PUSHING IT A YEAR DOWN.
IF WE'RE GONNA FACE THIS, WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? WE WE'RE GONNA FACE THAT.
WE'RE GONNA PAY THE PIPER AT SOME POINT.
THAT'S, SO WE NEED TO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT BREAK DOWN.
SO THIS IS ONE ASPECT OF THE BUDGET, THE CIP.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SO IN OCTOBER, WE SAT IN THIS BUILDING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF THAT HELPED THEM PRODUCE THEIR BUDGETS.
AND I GAVE THEM AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT I EXPECTED THEIR BUDGET TO LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN IN DECEMBER, ALL THOSE REQUESTS WERE DUE.
JANUARY, THE BUDGET STAFF STARTED MEETING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS ON THEIR OWN.
AND THEN IN, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE, THEY MET WITH THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.
I'M WATCHING, WATCHING THE CLOCK.
SO IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE THE FINAL DECISION.
I, I GAVE THIS WITH ALL THESE MEETINGS.
WE'RE HAVING, IT SEEMS LIKE AGES AGO, BUT IT WAS JUST A WEEK AGO THAT I GAVE YOU MY RECOMMENDED BUDGET.
SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, AND WE'RE WORKING ON FURTHER REFINEMENT, ET CETERA, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL ADOPT A BUDGET IN 25, MAY OF 25.
SO WHEN THE BUDGET STAFF MET WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS WHAT THEY TOOK OUT OF THE REQUEST.
THEY TOOK $2.1 MILLION FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PUBLIC WORKS.
AND, AND THOSE ARE THE BIG THREE EXPENSES INTERNAL OF THE COUNTY.
SO WHEN IT CAME TO ME, I SAW ALL THE REQUESTS, ET CETERA.
AND SO MYSELF, ALONG WITH SUSAN AND BRIAN AND THERESA AND GREG GILLETTE AND, UH, THE BUDGET ANALYST, UH, SAM, AND, UM, AMY, THANK YOU.
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SO WE ALL WENT THROUGH THAT.AND WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN SOME OF MY OTHER SLIDES IS 13 MILLION THAT WE DID NOT, UH, FUND.
SO THERE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID NOT FUND.
AGAIN, CAN WE GET THE NUMBER THAT EITHER WE'RE PUSHING THAT DOWN THE ROAD OR YOU'RE GOING, THIS ISN'T A PUSH DOWN THE ROAD.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PUSHED DOWN THE ROAD.
UN UNLIKE THE, UH, CIP, WHICH IS A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT, THIS IS ONLY SINGLE YEAR.
BUT, BUT THE, IF YOU GO BACK, THE, UM, THE SECOND ONE, NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FUND THAT AT SOME POINT.
WE'RE PUSHING THAT 3.6 DOWN THE ROAD.
WHICH ONE'S THIS? THE SECOND LINE ITEM.
SO THIS IS, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE CAREER LADDERS.
WE'RE PUSHING THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA DO HALF OF THE STUDY IMPLEMENTATION.
WE'RE PUSHING HALF OF THAT DOWN THE ROAD IS WHAT I'M, THAT'S THE POINT I'M GETTING.
AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA, THAT IS, IT IS POSSIBLE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FACE THIS NUMBER AGAIN, OR SOMETHING COULD CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS.
SO TOTAL OPERATING BUDGET REDUCTION, $15.2 MILLION.
CLOSE TO $70 MILLION AS I RECALL.
AND THE ONLY ISSUE LEFT IS DOES THE BOARD NEED TO ALSO WEIGH IN ON THIS AND FURTHER REDUCE? YEP.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING READY TO TELL YOU.
RIGHT? UM, OR WEIGH INTO IT IN 20 MINUTES OR LESS.
I, I, I THINK GENERALLY I CAN DO IT.
SO THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS.
THESE ARE NOT MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT YOU SAW ON THE 18TH WAS MY RECOMMENDATION.
AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO INFER, BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN ME DO THIS, THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD DO IT, BECAUSE I DON'T, I THINK THE RIGHT BUDGET IS THE ONE YOU SAW ON THE 18TH.
SO I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
BUT TO HONOR YOUR REQUEST, HERE IT IS.
NOW, I DIDN'T HAVE SET INCREMENTS, OKAY? MM-HMM
IF YOU WANNA CUT A HALF CENT FROM THE 78 CENT TAX RATE THAT I'VE PROPOSED, WE'LL REDUCE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, $200,000.
NOW, I'LL POINT OUT TO YOU THAT I, THESE GUYS A PICK GARBAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING READY TO SAY.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT LAST YEAR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE TOOK $160,000 CUT.
I PUT IT BACK IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
AND THEN AS A, AS A RESULT OF YOUR REQUEST, I TOOK IT BACK OUT.
I'M ALSO RECOMMENDING IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, THAT YOU DO REMOVE THE EBOOKS AT THE LIBRARY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THAT ARENA.
IT'S, WE GOTTA LOOK THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.
SO THE DEBT, THE DEBT, UH, THE RIVERWALK STAGE WAS PAID FOR WITH CASH.
WE COULD TURN IT TO DEBT, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT, UH, NO IMPACT ON THE 26TH BUDGET.
SO WE COULD MOVE THAT TO A DEBT, UH, STATUS.
AND THEN THE REGIONAL RADIO LIFECYCLE PROJECT, WHICH IS MR. HALL'S, UH, BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WHEN HIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY FOR, UH, UPGRADES AT THE END OF HIS LIFECYCLE, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY CREATED A, A, UH, SAVINGS ACCOUNT HERE TO PAY FOR THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FINANCE ALL OF IT, OR SOME PORTION OF IT.
SO SOME OF THESE, SOME SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
I KNOW YOU WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT YOU GOTTA TELL US THE IMPACT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU.
WELL, YOU TELL ME A RADIO READ LIFECYCLE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME? AS I JUST SAID, THAT PAYS FOR HIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF I TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AGAIN, SOMEWHERE.
IT DOESN'T TELL ME THE IMPACT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT UP AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IF YOU DON'T, YOU JEOPARDIZING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR 9 1 1 RADIO SYSTEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
OR YOU HAVE A HIGHER PAYMENT WHEN, WHEN IT COMES DUE TOWER, TOWER NOT WORKING.
YOU HAVEN'T PUT, YOU HAVEN'T PUT A HUNDRED PERCENT TOWARDS IT.
THEREFORE YOU HAVE A BIG BILL TO PAY.
THIS IS TAKING MONEY OUTTA, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY WHEN IT COMES TIME.
THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW WOULD PAY FOR THIS.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING AS WE GO ALONG,
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WE, OKAY, SO IF, IF YOU WENT TO 1 CENT, SAME WITH THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE.THE REGIONAL RADIO LIFECYCLE GOES UP TO $500,000.
THERE'S A CIP ITEM IN, UH, CIP.
THAT'S $120,000 FOR A MASTER PLAN OF CHARLES BROWN PARK.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THE PARK HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
AND OTHER THAN A PLAYGROUND AND, AND A PICNIC SHELTER, THAT PARK IS NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE THAT'S UNUSED.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE COULD BE DONE WITH IT.
SOMETHING ELSE COULD BE VISIONED WITH IT.
AND WE DON'T WANNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
SO THIS IS A PLANNING MONEY FOR THAT ITEM.
BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? WELL, LIKE, LIKE MARK SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHANGED.
WE ALSO HAVE 256 HOMES COMING IN RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AT ROSE HILL.
SO THIS IS THE ONE REAL NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAT WE HAVE.
UM, KE CREEK PARK IS THE OTHER, BUT ALL OF OUR OTHER PARKS ARE NOT IN NEIGHBORHOODS OR THEY'RE JUST ATHLETIC FIELDS.
WOLF TRAP AND CHISMAN CREEK PARK OR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
YOU KNOW WHY I'M NOT, SHE DON HAVE ANY I KNOW I'M WORKING ON IT POPULATIONS AND I GOT NO PARKS.
I NEED, YOU NEED, WE NEED SOME LAND.
RON, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY ABOUT THAT? NO, IT'S BUY ME SOME LAND, TOM.
AND THE LAST ITEM WOULD BE TO REDUCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CIP BY $80,500.
THAT IS ACTUALLY WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT ECONOMIC, UH, AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE FOR BUSINESS GRANTS.
IF YOU WENT TO ONE AND A HALF CENTS, EXCUSE ME, GROUNDS MAINTENANCE EBOOKS, STAGE LIFECYCLE JUMPS UP TO $500,000, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THAT FUND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT BACK OR FACE DEGRADATION IN THE SYSTEM.
A IT WOULD, YOU JUST ADDED TO THE BOTTOM HERE.
RIGHT? WE'RE JUST ADDING TWO TO GET TO ONE HALF THE 1 CENT.
I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT POINT.
YEAH, IT IT JUMPED FROM WHAT, 75 TO 500? ROUGHLY? YES.
AND SO CIP, UH, CHARLES BROWN PARK, THE SAME AS WE JUST DISCUSSED.
NOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CIP, WE WOULD REDUCE THAT BY $300,000, WHICH IN EFFECT WOULD ALLOW NO GRANT MONEY AWAY, UH, AVAILABLE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A $215,000 CUT IN THEIR OPERATIONS BUDGET OF SOME NATURE.
WE, WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, THOSE ARE THE BIG DEPARTMENTS.
IF YOU WANT THAT KIND OF MONEY, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS THERESA'S DEPARTMENT, THAT'S ALL PEOPLE.
THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS AND THE REST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU FIND THERE.
SO 2 CENTS AGAIN, GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, EBOOKS, STAGE LIFECYCLE RADIO LIFECYCLE STAYS AT 500,000.
CHARLES BROWN PARK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAYS AT 300,000 REDUCTION.
FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY SHERIFF'S OFFICE BOTH LOSE $215,000 IN OPERATIONS.
AND YOU WOULD LOSE $644,000 IN THE CIP TO MAKE UP THE 2 CENTS IN CASH.
SO ITEMS THAT WE HAD THAT WERE CASH FUNDED, WE'D EITHER, WE'D HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS.
WE'D EITHER HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT AROUND EVERYTHING THAT WAS CASH FUNDED, OR WE'D HAVE TO PICK ONE OR TWO ITEMS THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO THAT KIND OF MONEY.
WHY, WHY DID YOU CFP CASH REDUCTION? WHY WOULDN'T IT COME IN THE FIRST HALF CENT RATHER THAN THE 2 CENTS? UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL THINGS THAT WE, WE SHOULD PRESERVE.
IT'S THE CASH VERSUS DEBT DEBT FUNDING.
I'M JUST, BUT I'M JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS AND WE HAVE TO KEEP PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THE CIP IS' INVI, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
WE'VE, WE NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE CIP NOT
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TAKE MONEY OUT.ARE WE, HAVE WE NORMALIZED THIS? HAVE WE NORMALIZED THE CIP YET POST COVID OR ARE WE STILL BEHIND? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T FUND THE CIP FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE OF UNCERTAINTIES OF COVID.
SO SUSAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THAT? WE CAUGHT BACK UP YET.
IT'S, UM, WELL WE TOOK A ONE YEAR BREAK DURING COVID.
BUT THAT HAD, THAT HAD DOMINO EFFECT MM-HMM
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CIP BEING A MAINTENANCE.
CIP, WE'RE BACK TO NORMALIZING IT TO A MAINTENANCE CIP IS IT, UM, MOVING US FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
WITH ALL THE CUTS THAT WE TOOK IN THE CFE.
BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT JUST PUSHING OUT WANT TO HAVES, WE'RE PUSHING OUT SOME NEED TO HAVES TOO, LIKE RENOVATIONS AND, AND REHABS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THOSE ARE GETTING PUSHED AS WELL.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY STAYING IN IS THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY STUFF.
POST SAFETY AND MAINTEN MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT HERE FOR HVAC, A LITTLE BIT HERE FOR ROOF REPAIR, THINGS LIKE THAT.
MARK, DID YOU FIND AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION I ASKED YOU ABOUT, ABOUT TROLLEYS? YEAH, I DID.
SO THE TROLLEYS WILL BE PAID FOR OUT OF THE TOURISM FUND.
SO TOURISM MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR TOURISM ACTIVITIES.
SO THAT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE.
THE, UM, THE, THE RIVERWALK STAGE, WHAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A PLATFORM THERE NOW.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TOMORROW ONCE THAT THING HAPPENS? CHRISTIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? SURE.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A PERMANENT, UM, ROOFING FOR THE BANDS, UM, TO SECURE THEM.
UM, POTENTIALLY WHEN BAD WEATHER COMES, IF THEY CAN'T SECURE THEIR EQUIPMENT, THEY HAVE TO CANCEL RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
EVEN IF A STORM'S GONNA PASS THROUGH AND WE HAVE TO PAY THEM FULL PRICE IF THEY SHOW UP, IF WE HAD A MORE PERMANENT STRUCTURE OVER THEM, UM, THEY COULD RIDE OUT THE STORM AND STILL PERFORM FOR US.
SO CANCEL, WE'VE HAD YEARS WORSE.
HALF OF THE CONCERTS HAVE BEEN CANCELED AND WE'VE HAD TO PAY THE BANDS.
SO MR. ROY'S QUESTION IS, WHY ISN'T THAT IN THE TOURISM FUND, MR. HORO? IT COULD BE IN THE TOURISM FUND.
HOWEVER, WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY, UM, CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE TOURISM FUND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO JOIN H-T-R-F-A MM-HMM.
WE COUNTED ON HAVING SOME AMOUNT OF RESERVES MM-HMM.
SHOULD WE HAVE A CHANGE IN OUR ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OR THE TOURISM FUND FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY COULD DO THAT.
HOWEVER, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TRADE OFF, BUT THERE'S 2 MILLION PLUS IN THE IN RESERVE RIGHT NOW.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WE'VE GOT THE SPORTS COMPLEX THAT WE'VE GOTTA FUND, SO COMES OUTTA THAT.
BUT IT'S AFTER, IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS RESERVE FUND.
SO RESERVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT.
RESERVE TWO AND A HALF MILLION TOURISM.
WHY WOULDN'T WE PAY FOR THE STAGE OUT OF THAT? AS I SAID, YOU COULD.
WE, WE JUST TOOK A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WITH THAT FUND, NOT TO GO TOO FAR WITH IT.
SO, 'CAUSE IF YOU ADDED THAT TO THE TROLLEYS, I MEAN, THERE'S A MILLION RIGHT THERE, SO YOU JUST TOOK A THIRD OF IT AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO PAY.
UM, WE'RE PAST THE POINT OF PAYING $400,000 A YEAR, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING $800,000 A YEAR.
AND WHILE THE TOURISM FUND DOES HAVE A CREATE A SURPLUS OR HAS PRIOR TO H-T-R-F-A, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'RE A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE WITH IT.
IT COULD BE, OKAY, HAVE WE LOST $330,000 IN CANCELED CONCERT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THERE'S ONE SEASON WE CANCELED OVER HALF OF OUR, UM, CONCERTS IN THE ENTIRE SERIES, UM, WHICH WAS PROBABLY ROUGHLY 30, 30,000.
NO THING TOO IS THAT WASN'T DESIGNED REALLY WITH PERFORMANCE IN MIND.
Y Y'ALL HAVE ALL BEEN DOWN THERE FOR CONCERTS.
IF YOU'RE SITTING ON THE GROUND, YOU CAN'T SEE THE BAND.
THE ONE THING IS TO GET THAT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT, THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE BAND AS WELL.
THIS IS NOT A ARGUMENT OF WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT.
DO WE DO THIS YEAR OR DO WE DO IT ANOTHER YEAR? WE TRIED TO DO IT IN 2017, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN DOING THOSE MAINTENANCE BUDGETS.
SEE IF WE GO THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA PUSH SAY THE HELL, MANY YEARS WE HAD TO PUSH THE LIBRARY ON, ON, ON, ON LIBRARY BRINGS A LOT MORE THAN ONE OTHER THING WITH THAT WE, USING THE MONEY WISELY IS WE HAVE 2026 COMING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THOSE THINGS DONE BEFORE MM-HMM
THE TOTAL 50TH ANNIVERSARY BEFORE THEN TOO.
WELL, NOT I WOULD TOO, BUT, BUT IF WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY RIGHT NOW WELL, IF WE CAN TAKE IT OUTTA THAT TOURISM FUND I'D, I'D BE, I WOULD
THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CCIP, THAT IS $300,000 IS OUR TOTAL THAT WE GIVE 'EM EACH YEAR.
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FOUR FOUR GRANTS.UM, AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY ALMOST ALL, ALL THAT THE EDA GETS.
WE DO NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LAND THAT THE EDA HAS.
THEY GET A COUPLE BOND FEES THAT TOTAL ABOUT $80,000.
BUT THAT WOULD COMPLETELY, PRETTY MUCH DEFUND ANY INCENTIVES WE WOULD HAVE FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES.
AND THAT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I, I KNOW HOW THOSE GRANTS ARE USED FOR THAT, BUT, WELL, THE DATE I'D LIKE TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE IT THOUGH, IS IF, IF, AND I GUESS WE GO THROUGH THAT $300,000 EVERY YEAR, WELL, ROUGHLY 200,000 RIGHT NOW.
OUR CASH ON HAND IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH ALL OF OUR COMMITMENTS.
SO IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR FOR GRANTS THAT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW IS IF WE SPEND $200,000 A YEAR OUT, OUT OF THAT FUND, GRANTS HERE AND GRANT THERE AND SO FORTH TO HELP PEOPLE PUT NEW SIGNAGE UP OR WHATEVER, HOPEFULLY DRIVE MORE BUSINESS TO 'EM, THAT SHOULD IN TURN DRIVE MORE TAX REVENUE THROUGH THE COUNTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SEEING $200,000 PLUS RETURN ON INVESTMENT? IS THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, YES.
AND IF SO, OKAY, THEN IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU, YOU MAKE THAT INVESTMENT.
UM, IF NOT, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO STOP IT.
THAT'S WHAT I, AND IF WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THEY ARE.
SO, WELL, YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING YOU WANNA SAY? I, I DO.
I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO, TO SHARE WITH YOU REAL QUICK.
SO I STARTED OFF THIS CONVERSATION BY TALKING ABOUT HOW THE PUBLIC INPUT HAS CERTAINLY PLAYED A ROLE IN THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET.
SO WE DID HAVE A COMMENT THAT WAS EMAILED TO US ABOUT, ABOUT HOW THE, WE, WE TD THE LOW TAX RATE, WHICH IS THIS AND HOW WE WOULD STILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO WE HAD A COMMENT THAT CAME TO US AND THEY SAID, WELL, THE TAX RATE'S, NOT ALL OF IT, IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE VALUE OF THE HOMES.
SO THEIR THEORY WAS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE COMMENT, THEIR THEORY WAS THAT THE VALUE, THE HIGH VALUE OF YORK COUNTY HOMES OUTSTRIPS OUR ABILITY TO BRAG ABOUT BEING THE LOWEST ON THE SCALE.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT THE PROPOSED RATE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S WHERE WE SIT.
IF YOU TOOK THAT NUMBER AND TOOK THE REAL ESTATE RATE AND THE MEDIAN HOME VALUE AND CALCULATED THE TAX VALUES FOR ALL OF THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE SIT 32 0 7 FOR YOUR COUNTY AT THE PROPOSED RATE.
SO, HOWEVER, IF YOU TAKE IT AND PUT IT IN RELATION TO OUR MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND TAKE THAT TAX AS A PERCENT OF THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME, SO ESSENTIALLY THE BURDEN OF THAT TAX UPON THE HOMEOWNERS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, LOOK WHERE WE SIT.
TO ME, THAT'S A GREAT INDICATION OF THE VALUE THAT YOUR COUNTY'S PROVIDING.
NOW I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO SUSAN AND THE FINANCE STAFF.
THEY, THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER AFTER SOME BRAINSTORMING OF OURS AND, AND DID A REALLY NICE JOB.
AND I ASKED SUSAN TO COME UP IN CASE SHE HAD SOME OTHER COMMENT SHE'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT IT.
SO I JUST, I THINK IT'S LIKE HERSELF, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AND, AND I, I THINK THIS SHOWS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT.
AND WHAT WE AND WHAT WE, WHERE WE CAN GO.
SO IT ALSO SHOWS IS HOW WE OVER THE YEARS HAVE ADJUSTED OUR TAX RATES.
THAT TO ME IS THE MOST, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
PEOPLE GET ALL EXCITED WHEN THEY SEE THE EVALUATION AND THEN THEY SAY, OH, THEY BASE IT AGAINST THE CURRENT TAX RATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART, WE'VE DROPPED OUR TAX RATES DOWN TO COMPENSATE AND WE'VE BEEN VERY FRUGAL AND WE'VE PUSHED IT DOWN DRAMATICALLY TO KEEP THE TAX IS LOW HISTORICALLY FOR AT LEAST THE LAST COUPLE DECADES.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THE FACT THAT WE VERY HELPFUL, THE FACT THAT WE'RE RAISING THE TAX RATE THIS TIME, NOT YET.
WE'VE GONE TO ALL PROPOSED THE REASON IT'S PROPOSED.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT YET, BUT IT'S SO, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, JUST HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE DAMNEST FOR, FOR TRYING AND WHEN IN TRUTH YOU STILL GOTTA PROVIDE SERVICES TO YOUR CITIZENS.
AND UH, SO SUSAN, HELP ME HAVE A, AN ELEVATOR CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT THAT 3%.
SO I CATCH SOMEBODY IN THE GROCERY STORE OR ACE HARDWARE.
HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO I TRANSLATE THAT THREE, THAT 3% TO SOMETHING THAT WRAP THE HEAD AROUND? I MEAN, I, I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT I I, I THINK IT'S, WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO THE LOCALITIES AROUND US, THE, THE TAX BURDEN
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ON THE HOUSEHOLD IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN THE, IN THE AREA.I MEAN, AND WE DON'T REALLY EVEN COMPARE TO ILE WHITE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A FULL FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY DEPARTMENT.
SO IF YOU SAY TAX BURDEN, UH, WOULD A, I MEAN YOU SAY TAX BURDEN TO CITIZEN THEN MEAN ME THINK, AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT REAL ESTATE TAX HERE.
SO THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE ISSUE AT AGE, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE COST PART OF THE COST OF LIVING IN YOUR COUNTY.
I MEAN I, TO ME IT'S TRYING TO PUT IT IN TERMS PEOPLE ARE GONNA, IT'S COST OF LIVING YOUR COUNTY.
I THINK CHARACTERIZE THAT LAST COLUMN IS WHAT DOES THE COST OF LIVING IN NEW YORK COUNTY? IT'S CHEAPER.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TOO, WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS EXERCISE, WE PLAYED WITH THAT REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.
IT HAS TO GO PAST 86 CENTS TO, TO GO ANY HIGHER THAN, UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY AS FAR AS TAX BURDEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS.
OKAY, WE'RE AT 3% THAT ARE THE NEXT ONE CLOSEST TO US IS THAT THREE 8.3, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES A SCENT DO? WHAT DOES 2 CENT DO? AND I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY TA TELLING THAT YOU COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO 86 CENTS BEFORE OUR POSITION IN THE REGION IS CHANGED.
OH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE CAN GO TO 86 BEFORE IT GOES FOUR.
WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO 3.3, RIGHT BEFORE WE TIE JAMES CITY, WE COULD RAISE OUR TAX RATES SIX MORE CENTS.
AND THAT'S BEFORE ANY OF THESE LOCALITIES ANNOUNCED WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, WE SAW SOME OF 'EM COMING OUT.
THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING TO JACK UP.
UH, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH, DO YOU WANNA TOUCH UPON THAT COUNTY CAME OUT WITH A HIGHER WELL, THE, THE LATEST ANNOUNCEMENTS OF WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING, RYAN? OH, SURE.
UM, GLOUCESTER HAS COME OUT WITH A, UH, INCREASE IN A TAX RATE, 4.30 CENTS.
THAT'S YOUR REAL, YOU START REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.
UM, UH, MR. MR. HORO AND I HAD A NICE CONVERSATION, DAVE, ABOUT JAMES CITY COUNTY AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS.
UH, AGAIN, SO THAT IS EFFECTIVELY TAX THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY REBATED THE 500 REAL ESTATE TAX.
YOU MAINTAINED THE REAL ESTATE RATE LAST YEAR AT 83 AND THEN GAVE A REBATE ON HALF OF A YEAR'S TAX.
THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO AND A HALF CENTS OF TAX REBATE LAST YEAR ON THE TOTAL BILL.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEIR TAX THIS YEAR, THEY'RE BASICALLY GOING BACK TO HALF 83, WHICH WAS WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE LAST YEAR'S ASSESSMENTS.
SO THEY STAYED TAX, A TAX INCREASE, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
THEY STAYED FLAT ON WHERE THEY WERE TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, AND I, THE OTHER THING, BUT THEY CHARGE YOU, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVEN A REBATE.
SO ACTUALLY THEY'RE NOT STAYING THE SAME, THE RATE STAYING THE SAME, BUT THE OUT POCKET EXPENSES IS GOING UP.
IT'S REALLY, BECAUSE YOU CAN, IF YOU STUDY IT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S JUST, LOOK AT THE BOTTOM NEWPORT NEWS, MEDIAN PRICE.
LOOK AT A HOUSE, 243,000, YET THE BURDEN IS, UH, WHAT, 1.40 CENTS MORE PERCENT MORE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
I MEAN WE REALLY, WE AND THOSE FOLKS CAN'T AFFORD IT LESS THAN WE CAN HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
AND YET THEY THE BURDEN ON THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR, THEIR SITUATION.
AND I, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK CHART SOME OF THE NEW WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ON THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST TELLING ITEMS. THE, THE OTHER ONE IS THE $22 MILLION SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT MONEY WAS, UM, NOT COLLECTED.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO MOST TELLING SLIDES OF THIS BUDGET SEASON SO FAR.
I ONLY WANT COPY OF THIS JUST CHART.
WE DO HAVE COPIES AND, AND MR.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET HIM TO GO.
I TOLD, I TOLD Y'ALL TWO RETREATS AGO.
I'M NOT GONNA STOP ASKING QUESTIONS.
THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU.
WE DONE ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE COMMENTS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? JUST MENTION THE, IF NOT MENTION, MENTION THE TOWN MEETING.
MENTION OUR, MENTION OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE DATE AGAIN ON THE TOWN HALL MEETING? APRIL 3RD.
AND IT'S GONNA BE AT THE SHERIFF'S SHERIFF BUILDING.
SO WE HOPE TO SEE LOT OF YOU THERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.