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THERE YOU GO.[Call to Order]
AND GENTLEMEN.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE MARCH 4TH ORDER.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, TONIGHT IS COURSE IS A WORK SESSION,
[1 Presentation from Adelia Thompson, Chief Executive Officer, Peninsula Community Foundation. Report on Serving an Older Peninsula and aging-related challenges and opportunities in our region. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator dated January 29, 2025. ]
AND WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM AMELIA THOMPSON, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE PENINSULA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE AREA IS AGING AND WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR IT, AND SHE HAS A REPORT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INVITATION TONIGHT.
I SHOULD START OUT BY SAYING I HAVE EIGHT FULL WEEKS ON THIS JOB, SO I'VE JUST GOT IT NAILED.
UM, I WAS AT CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY FOR 14 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, AND, UM, HAVE LOVED BECOMING A MEMBER OF THIS LARGER COMMUNITY AND HAPPY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, AS I RETIRED FROM THE UNIVERSITY, STEP INTO THIS ROLE AND HOPEFULLY BE HELPFUL IN SOME NEW WAYS.
SHEILA, YOU'VE BEEN A WONDERFUL BOARD MEMBER FOR THIS FOUNDATION FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'M GRATEFUL TO YOU, UM, FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE HELPED US DO IN ALL THE LEADERSHIP THAT LIES AHEAD, UH, IN OUR NEXT CHAPTER.
THANK YOU MR. BELLAMY FOR, UM, SPENDING A LITTLE TIME WITH ME SO THAT I MAKE THE BEST USE OF OUR TIME TOGETHER.
I'LL TALK JUST A BRIEF MOMENT ABOUT THE FOUNDATION.
UM, I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE FOUNDATION, UH, FULLY WHEN, UH, I FIRST LEARNED ABOUT THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY.
SO I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, UH, IS BEST FRIENDS WITH THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FOUNDATION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A MINUTE AND THEN MOVE SPECIFICALLY INTO THE STUDY THAT, UH, THAT SHEILA REFERENCED.
UM, SO TO START WITH ABOUT THE FOUNDATION, UM, WE, UH, WE ARE, WE WERE, UM, 30 YEARS AGO.
I'LL START WITH THE PRESENTATION HERE.
I'D RATHER LOOK AT PEOPLE'S EYES THAN A SCREEN, BUT I REALIZE SOMETIMES THAT'S A, THAT'S A NECESSARY EVIL.
UM, SO, UM, WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO, THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA WAS THE LARGEST COMMUNITY IN THE, UH, COMMONWEALTH WITHOUT A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION ABOUT 23 YEARS AGO WHEN WE FIRST CAME ONLINE.
SO WHY THAT MATTERS IS, UM, THAT OUR, THIS FOUNDATION IS IN A POSITION BY DESIGN TO SEE THE FOREST AND NOT JUST PATRICE.
YOU HAVE AN AGENDA, YOU HAVE TO, YOU WERE ELECTED TO SERVE YORK.
UM, NEW NEWPORT NEWS LEADERSHIP WAS, UH, ELECTED TO SERVE NEW NEWPORT NEWS.
THE UNITED WAY SERVES THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT IT'S IN PLACE TOO.
FEAR OF FREEDOM HAS ITS AGENDA.
THAT'S THE JOB OF ALL ORGANIZATIONS AND FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE PENINSULA, TOO.
OUR JOB IS TO BE THE GUY BEHIND THE GUY.
OUR JOB IS TO TAKE A LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT WHERE THERE ARE PLACES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED, WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPLORE, AND, UM, TO DO ALL THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO SERVE IN, IN GOVERNMENT AND THOSE WHO SERVE ACROSS THE NONPROFIT ARENA, UM, HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE INSIGHT THAT THEY NEED.
AND SO, UM, THAT YOU ARE OUR AGENDA.
THE PENINSULA IS OUR AGENDA, OUR VALUE ADDED, UM, FACILITATING.
I'LL TALK, UM, OUR VALUE ADDED, FACILITATING AND UNIFYING, UH, CAPACITY BUILDING AND CERTAINLY ISSUE DISTILLING.
UM, AND WE ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE IT EASY, PRIMARILY FOR TWO THINGS.
ONE, TO LISTEN TO PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THIS PENINSULA TELL US WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT MOST AND HELP THEM CONNECT WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ABOUT THAT BUSINESS.
THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS TO LISTEN TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ABOUT THE WORK OF THE LIFE ACROSS THE PENINSULA, AND HELP THEM CONNECT WITH RESOURCES TO MAKE THEM DO MORE GOOD FOR MORE PEOPLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE IN BUSINESS FOR.
UM, ABOUT HOW WE DO WHAT WE DO.
NO, WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE STEERING WHEEL AWAY FROM ME.
UM, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TOOLS THAT WE USE TO DO WHAT WE DO.
UM, AND, AND YOU SEE THOSE LIFTS LISTED THERE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY ARE HOME FOR ENDOWMENTS FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, THE YORK EDUCATION, UH, FOUNDATION.
WE'RE PROUD TO BE THE HOME FOR SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS THERE.
UM, AND COMMUNITY RESEARCH IS WHAT WE'LL FOCUS ON TONIGHT.
THAT'S A NEW ARM FOR US, AND ONE THAT WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO EXPLORE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT EXISTS ACROSS MUNICIPALITIES AND ACROSS ORGANIZATIONS THAT NOBODY HAS THE TIME TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT TOGETHER.
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GOT A PIECE, NEW NEWPORT NEWS HAS A PIECE.UM, UH, HAMPTON HAS A PIECE, BUT NOBODY HAS THE TIME OR THE PEOPLE TO PULL IT ALL TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S A SPACE THAT WE THINK INCREASINGLY WE CAN, WE CAN FILL, UH, AND BE HOPEFUL WHO WE WORK WITH.
THERE'S THE LIST AGAIN, UH, UH, BELOW THE GOVERNMENTS THAT WE ARE IN BUSINESS, UM, TO HELP SUPPORT HAMPTON NEW NEWPORT NEWS, UH, POCOS AND YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT WE CONSIDER UNDER THE, UH, UMBRELLA OF THE PENINSULA.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID SO FAR IS GREAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO.
YOU EXPLAINING, BUT NO, BUT IN A CATEGORY.
ARE YOU LIKE, YOU SOUND LIKE IT'S KIND OF PEANUT KNOW BUTTER SPREAD ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE HOME FOR DONORS WHO WANT TO SUPPORT A NUMBER OF THINGS ACROSS THE PENINSULA SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE A GIFT ONE TIME WITH US MM-HMM
AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WANT THEIR MONIES TO BE SHARED ACROSS THE PENINSULA AND BEYOND, UM, WITHOUT THESE ENDOWMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO, UH, DO BUSINESS HARDSHIP FUNDS.
WE HAVE THOSE IN PLACE FOR TWO OR THREE BUSINESSES LOCALLY.
UM, SO FOR INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS FOR NON-PROFITS AND FOR IN, IN, UH, FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES, WE TRY TO MAKE PHILANTHROPY EASY.
SO YOU'RE NOT CATEGORIZED YOURSELF INTO LIKE HEALTH SERVICES? NO, SIR.
THAT IS THAT WHEN I SAY WE'RE THE GUY BEHIND THE GUY, THAT'S IT.
OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE FULL LANDSCAPE AND TO TRY TO FIND WAYS TO BE SUPPORTIVE HOLISTICALLY ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
NOT, NOT UNLIKE THE WAY THE CHAMBER IS HERE TO SUPPORT EVERYBODY.
WE'RE JUST THERE FROM A MORE PHILANTHROPIC STANDPOINT.
SO, SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IN THE PAST AND, AND THAT ARE, WE ARE INVOLVED IN.
NOW, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF GIVE LOCAL 7 5 7.
IT'S AN ANNUAL DAY OF GIVING CAMPAIGN.
IT NOT ONLY SUPPORTS, UH, ORGANIZATIONS ON THIS SIDE OF THE WATER, BUT ALSO, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOO.
BUT, UH, OVER THE 12 YEARS IT'S BEEN IN PLACE, IT'S RAISED OVER $12.6 MILLION.
AND, UH, WE'VE SERVED OVER 500 ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, ACROSS THE 7, 5, 7 AREA.
UH, THE PURPOSE FOR 7 5 7 WAS TO GET THESE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS VISIBILITY YES, MA'AM.
AND, AND TRAINING AND HOW TO GO OUT AND RAISE THEIR OWN FUNDS.
AND WE DO IT ONCE, ONCE A YEAR ONLINE.
AND IT'S AMAZING HOW IT HAS GROWN.
AND THE VISIBILITY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE THESE SMALLER NONPROFITS.
AND IT'S MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THE SPONSORS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO HELP US EACH YEAR, THIS YEAR OLD POINTS, OUR PRIMARY SPONSOR.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWING US TO ALSO REACH OUT THROUGH THEIR VARIOUS BRANCHES TO, UH, ENGAGE OTHER NONPROFITS, IT'S MADE US ABLE TO HAVE A REAL IN-PERSON OUTREACH CAPACITY BEFORE THE DAY OF GIVING ITSELF, WHICH IS IN MAY.
YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT, I'M SURE, THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS AND ORGANIZATIONS YOU'RE CONNECTED TO, AS SHEILA KNOWS.
UH, MIKE MONTI AND THE FOUNDATION TOOK ON THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS A FEW YEARS AGO.
THAT, TOO, WAS A RESEARCH PROJECT THAT LED TO THEM PULLING TOGETHER ORGANIZATIONS TO TRY TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN A, IN, IN A MORE UMBRELLA WAY FOR THE PENINSULA.
AND AS A RESULT, UM, THE CRISIS CENTER AS HOTLINE IS NOW IN PLACE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE WAY THAT IT CONTINUES TO SERVE, UH, THIS AREA.
AND THE FINAL THING, UH, DOWN THERE A BIT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, EARLIER, UM, WE ARE HOME TO MORE THAN A HUNDRED DIFFERENT KINDS OF FUNDS, UM, THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER.
AND, UM, SINCE WE, UH, LAUNCHED, UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, MORE THAN $37 MILLION THROUGH THOSE FUNDS AND THROUGH, UH, OTHER GIFTS THROUGH THE FOUNDATION HAVE FLOWED INTO THE PENINSULA COMMUNITY THROUGH THE FOUNDATION.
AND BECAUSE OF RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE, UM, THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR SCHOLARSHIPS, WE HAVE 22 OF THOSE.
AND, AND THOSE THAT WE HOUSE FOR YORK, UH, ARE AMONG THOSE $219,000 FLOWED OUT TO, TO STUDENTS IN SUPPORT OF SCHOLARSHIPS AND GRANTS TO NONPROFITS LAST FISCAL YEAR EXCEEDED $4 MILLION.
SO THAT'S A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF, OF US.
THE FINAL SLIDE I'LL SHOW YOU.
UM, THAT JUST SHOWS THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE INCREASE OF GRANTS INTO THE COMMUNITY, UM, OVER THE LAST, UH, NUMBER OF YEARS FOR REFERENCE, MIKE MONTE STEPPED IN AS THE CEO AROUND 2011.
UH, AND SO, UH, ON HIS WATCH THROUGH NOT ONLY INCREASING, UH, THE DONOR BASE THROUGH THE FOUNDATION, BUT ALSO THROUGH VERY WISE INVESTING, UM, THE FOUNDATION, UH, HAS
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BEEN ABLE TO SERVE.INCREASINGLY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE NUMBERS GOING UP, UH, IN THE YEARS AHEAD.
SO NEXT, THE IDEA OF THE CENTER FOR COMMUNITY RESEARCH.
THIS CENTER ISN'T A PHYSICAL THING THAT LIVES WITHIN OUR OFFICE.
IT'S A CONCEPT THAT, AGAIN, MIKE CHOSE TO PURSUE BECAUSE HE HEARD THE NEED FOR CERTAIN, UH, TOPICS AND OPPORTUNITIES AND PRIORITIES ACROSS THE FOUN, THE, UH, PENINSULA TO BE PURSUED AT A DEEPER LEVEL.
BUT NOBODY HAD TIME TO GO AFTER THOSE.
SO THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR TESTING THIS CONCEPT.
AND THIS STUDY IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE DONE UNDER THE RUBRIC OF THE CENTER FOR COMMUNITY RESEARCH.
SO WE'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF GOOD DOES THE OUTCOME OF THIS REPORT BRING ABOUT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT THEN ASKS THE LARGER QUESTION FOR US, HOW DO WE PURSUE THIS IN THE FUTURE, IF INDEED THIS IS GONNA BE A SPACE WE CONTINUE TO STEP INTO.
THE WAY WE CHOSE THIS PILOT PROJECT AROUND AGING IS THAT MIKE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH LEADERS ACROSS ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES ON THE PENINSULA AND SAID, WHERE COULD WE BE MOST HELPFUL? AND, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, THROWN OUT AT THOSE MEETINGS.
BUT AGING WAS ONE THAT WAS RESOUNDINGLY, UM, OF CONCERN ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
IT WAS PAID FOR BY THE MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS IN A MOMENT IN PART, UH, AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PENINSULA AGENCY ON AGING.
BILL MASSEY AND HIS TEAM HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL PARTNERS FOR US, NOT ONLY IN PULLING THE DATA TOGETHER WITH THE RESEARCHERS, BUT ALSO IN HOW WE'RE GETTING THIS STUDY OUT.
FINALLY, THE RESEARCHERS WHO CONDUCTED CONDUCTED THE PROJECT, UM, ELIZABETH HUGHES WAS THE LEAD.
YOU SEE HER NAME DOWN THERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER.
UH, SHE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH AT THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND MIKE HAD, UH, EARLIER DISCUSSED HER RESEARCH WITH HER WHEN HE WAS INVOLVING, UH, INVOLVED HER IN THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT PUT THE CENTER TOGETHER.
AND SHE HAD ACCESS TO SOME OF THE JM GMU PROFESSORS BECAUSE SHE KNEW ABOUT THEIR EXPERTISE IN ECONOMIC MODELING.
SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT CONNECTED WITH HER.
UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY A QUESTION WE WANNA ASK OURSELVES IS PROBABLY WHEN WE WANNA LOOK LOCALLY, UH, AT EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT CAN BE HELPFUL TO US AS WE PURSUE, UM, RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES MOVING FORWARD.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS PLACE AND THE REPORT.
WE WILL BEGIN TO UNPACK A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE NOW IN DETAIL.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP.
SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT JUST LOOKS AT THE GROWTH, UM, AND CHANGES IN THE POPULATION.
AGAIN, I KNOW, UM, THAT THE SUPERVISORS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE FULL REPORT.
THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO PULL OUT SOME OF THE MOST TELLING, UM, PIECES OF DATA.
BUT, UH, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS GRAPH, THE BOTTOM LINE THAT RUNS HORIZONTALLY DOWN THERE, THE GOLD ONE, UM, THAT TAKES A LOOK AT, UM, THE POPULATION, THE PENINSULA RESIDENTS AGE 60, THAT HAS NEARLY DOUBLED IN SIZE OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS, WHILE THE GROWTH IN THE WORKING AGE POPULATION, WHICH IS THE GRAY LINE IN THE MIDDLE, UM, HAS STAGNATED.
UM, SO, UH, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS AGE 60 IS EXPECTED TO GO THROUGH 2030, AND THEN LEVEL OFF.
UM, SO WHERE HAVE WE BEEN? WHERE ARE WE HEADED? NEXT SLIDE.
WE CAN LOOK AT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
UM, SO THE NEXT 25 YEARS, UH, AS THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS, THE REGION'S NOT JUST GETTING OLDER, IT'S GETTING, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY OLDER.
I'LL DO THE QUICK MATH ON THIS AND ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE AGE, UH, 30, 40, AND 50 YEAR OLDS, WHICH ARE ARGUABLY SORT OF THE HEART OF THE WORKFORCE FOR US ON THE PENINSULA.
THE NET CHANGE IN THAT POPULATION IS 20% GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
THE NET CHANGE IN 60, 70, 80 YEAR OLDS IS 133% GROWTH.
AGAIN, WE'LL, UM, UH, TOUCH MORE ON, ON THE IMPACT OF THAT IN A MOMENT.
SO, UM, GROWTH ACROSS THE JURISDICTIONS.
UH, MARK, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT POPULATION SPREAD AND THAT GROWTH LOOK LIKE ACROSS THE JURISDICTIONS? UM, AND I KNOW, UH, WE DISCUSSED THAT FOR YORK, IT'S NOT JUST AGING, BUT, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IN MIGRATION FOR YORK.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR, FOR, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
UM, THIS IS JUST A QUICK VISUAL MAP, UM, OF WHAT THE, THE, UH, GROWTH IS ANTICIPATED TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, UM, SPREAD ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
AGAIN, I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS ONE.
WE'LL GET TO THE MEAT OF IT HERE.
UM, AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN BY CHANGE? THANK YOU.
AND ALL THESE SLIDES YOU'LL HAVE IN FOLLOW UP TOO,
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SO, OKAY.SO YOU GOT, YEAH, LOOK AT IT DOWN AT MY MM-HMM
SO THE NEXT SLIDES THEN ARE, UM, UH, SO, SO WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THIS POINT TO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE, THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US? UM, SO THIS SPEAKS TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF THE, OF THE OLDER POPULATION.
NOW, IF ONE WANTS TO, TO FLIP THAT, ALSO, OF COURSE, IT MEANS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IN THE WORKFORCE FOR, UH, IN THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS ARENA.
HOWEVER, A CHALLENGE, BECAUSE AS WE ALSO KNOW AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THE WORKFORCE, UM, UH, AGE FOLKS ARE, ARE, UM, ARE LESSENING ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, UH, AND HOW IT PLAYS OUT ACROSS ANOTHER SLIDE IN A MOMENT.
UM, UH, THIS, THIS SLIDE HITS PARTICULARLY CLOSE TO HOME FOR ME RIGHT NOW.
MY MOTHER LIVES IN BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA.
SHE'S 89, AND, UM, SHE FELL WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
AND, UM, JUST LIKE THAT, UM, THE 700 MILES BETWEEN HERE AND THERE MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I LIVE IN CHINA.
UM, AND SO, UM, NAVIGATING THIS, UM, COMES REAL FOR ALL OF US I KNOW, UM, THAT ARE IN THIS SEASON OF OUR LIVES.
UM, BUT HELP AT HOME'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS A BIT MORE, UM, IN AN EVENT WITH THE CHAMBER COMING UP.
BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WORKFORCE, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE WORKFORCE WHO WOULD, WHO WANT TO BE A PART OF THE WORKFORCE, WHO CANNOT BECAUSE THEY ARE AT HOME WITH YOUNG CHILDREN OR AT HOME WITH AGING, UM, PEOPLE THAT THEY LOVE, EITHER BECAUSE THE CARE THAT THEY CAN GET IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR THEY CANNOT GET THE CARE.
SO, UM, HELP AT HOME IS GONNA BE ANOTHER CHALLENGE.
IT'S ALREADY UNFOLDING BEFORE US.
SO, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND I MENTIONED THIS TO, TO MARK IN OUR CONVERSATION TOO, AS WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ONE-ON-ONE SMALL GROUPS AND IN SETTINGS LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS COMING UP.
WHAT, WHEREVER ANYBODY IS LOCATED AND WHATEVER THE CONCENTRATION OF THE AGING POPULATION, UH, IS IN THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES, UM, THIS ONE KEEPS COMING UP.
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT TOGETHER HOW TO BEGIN TO MAKE A DENT IN IMPROVING AGE-FRIENDLY LIVING, UM, UH, THAT CAN BE A, A, A PLACE WHERE WE CAN REALLY COULD MAKE SOME PROGRESS TOGETHER, THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS OUR FRIENDS ON THE FOR-PROFIT ARENA, UM, CAN, CAN LISTEN TO TOO, AND ACTUALLY ARE ALREADY PAYING ATTENTION TO.
EMERGENCY AND SAFETY ASSISTANCE.
I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU'RE ALREADY SEEING THAT PLAY OUT.
I KNOW, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS IN THE EMS CALLS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALREADY, THERE'LL BE A SLIDE IN A MOMENT WE'LL LOOK AT QUICKLY THAT BREAKS OUT WHAT THOSE EMS CALLS ARE FOR.
BUT INCREASINGLY ACROSS THE AGING POPULATION, UM, SIMPLY, UH, BEING, BEING LIFTED AFTER A FALL, UM, UH, IS, IS GONNA BE AN INCREASING NUMBER VERY QUICKLY AS WE MOVE THROUGH.
SLIDE HAVE A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
SO THE PERCENT OF TOTAL US POPULATION AT 80 IS 4% ON THE FAR RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THEN PERCENT OF RECIPIENTS OF EMS CALLS TO 12%.
SO WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME HERE? THANK YOU.
I MEAN, COULD BE ANALYZED MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.
WE'RE GONNA SEE A SLIDE IN A MINUTE THAT TURNS THIS BACK AROUND AND GIVES YOU, I THINK, A LITTLE MORE BREAKDOWN THAN, THAN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
THIS ISN'T MY FAVORITE SLIDE EITHER, BUT IT JUST, IT IT'S PROJECTING THE EMS IMPACT OVERALL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WERE TELLING ME? MY, MY TAKEAWAY ON THAT SLIDE IS THAT AS YOU MOVE TO THE RIGHT IN AGE, THEN YOU START SEEING A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF EMS CALLS TO THE, AS TO THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU DO TO THE LEFT SIDE.
SO IT'S TELLING ME THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOUR POPULATION AGES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE INFRAS, THE EMS INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO MM-HMM
THE NUMBER OF CALLS AND THOSE TYPES OF CALLS, THOSE CALLS ARE DIFFERENT THAN ON THE LEFT WHERE YOU BREAK YOUR ANKLE PLAYING SOFTBALL ON THE RIGHT.
IT COULD, IT'S GONNA BE MORE SUBSTANTIALLY ANY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CARE.
THAT'S MY TAKEAWAY FROM LOOKING AT THAT, THOSE CHARTS.
SO HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU READ THAT CHART? IF IT'S BLUE, 12% ON WHITE AND AT 30 IT'S 11%? OR, OR, OR IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU GO BLUE 12% AND THEN YOU GO 50, IT'S 14%.
I MEAN, THAT'S A SMALL MARGIN,
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I THINK OF ONE OR 2%.BUT AGAIN, THE TAKEAWAY IS LOOK OVER ON THE FAR SIDE.
EIGHT, UM, UH, 4% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION IS IN THE EIGHTIES PLUS, BUT, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE PULLING 12% OF THE EMS CALLS.
SO WE KNOW ALREADY THAT THE, I RECALL THE NUMBERS THAT I, THAT OUR EMS ARE RESPONDING ABOUT FIVE TIMES MORE TO THE HOMES, NOT THE HOMES, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM? THE CONVALESCENT CENTERS OR THE AGE RESTRICTED FACILITIES THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR NORMAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS SHAKING HIS HEAD RIGHT.
THIS IS, IS NUMBERS KIND OF MAKE, THERE'S A COMBINATION.
ONE, WE HAVE, UH, OLDER ADULTS AGING AND STAYING IN THEIR HOMES LONGER.
AND THEN THOSE THAT MOVE INTO SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES, THERE'S A, A COLLECTIVE GROUP, GROUP OF FOLKS THERE.
YOU, AS I THINK MR. POINTED OUT, THE, THE PROPORTION OF CALLS FOR THE YOUNGER POPULATION TO THE POPULATION.
EMS CALLS TO THE POPULATION ON THE LEFT.
I, I'M INTERPRETING THIS CORRECT.
UH, IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S LESS OF A DEMAND FOR A HIGHER POPULATION, AND IT'S REVERSED AS YOU GET FURTHER TO SMALL POPULATION, YOU KNOW, OFF TO THE LEFT, YOU GET, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A MORE ACTIVE POPULATION, SO THAT'S GONNA DRIVE MORE CALLS MM-HMM
BUT OVER TO THE RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THE POPULATION IS LESS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE HEALTH ISSUES AND THE TYPES OF CALLS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
YOU GET CALLED AT CONVALESCENCE CENTERS, TYPICALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOU CA CALL THAT TO A BALL FIELD.
SO, SO NOLL, IF I COULD GET, UH, YES.
THE CHIEF TO TALK ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY MEDICINE MEDICINE PROGRAM AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, CERTAINLY COULD BE VERY IMPORTANT AS THE POPULATION CONTINUES TO AGE.
THE, THE DEPARTMENT INSTITUTED A COMMUNITY PARAMEDICINE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTHCARE INITIATIVE A FEW YEARS AGO, WHEREBY WHEN WE START SEEING INCREASES IN CALLS FOR CERTAIN AREAS OF THE POPULATION, WE ATTEMPT TO INTERVENE THERE AND CONNECT THEM TO THE SERVICES THEY MAY NEED TO REDUCE THE IMPACT, NOT ONLY TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON EMS, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR BETTER, UH, WAYS TO ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS.
WHETHER IT'S CONNECTING TO, UH, SUPPORTIVE AGENCIES OR, UH, OR PERHAPS CONSULTING WITH THEIR PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE TO PREVENT FALLS IN THEIR HOUSES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, AND TIM, THIS TYPE OF DATA HERE IS RIPE TO BE FED INTO A LARGE LANGUAGE MODEL AND START MAKING PREDICTIONS OF WHERE AND WHEN EMS CALLS WILL, WILL BE NEEDED AND THE TYPES OF THOSE CALLS.
AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S PARTLY WHAT THIS FOUNDATION DOES, IS TAKE THAT DATA HAS INTERPRETED FOR US, AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, WHICH IS ON THE FAR RIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH THE 80%, 80-YEAR-OLD DEMOGRAPHIC ONLY ACCOUNTS FOR 4% OF THE POPULATION, IT'S 12% OF THE CALLS VERSUS THE 20 YEAR OLDS ACCOUNT FOR 13% OF THE POPULATION ONLY ACCOUNTS FOR 10% OF THE CALLS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BLUE LINE GOES UP, EVEN THOUGH THE PERCENTAGE THAT THAT 10 YEAR SPAN GOES DOWN, THAT BROWN BAR GOES DOWN, THAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION FOR THAT 10 YEAR SEGMENT OF OUR DEMOGRAPHIC.
SO PART OF IT WE'RE INTERESTED IN TOO, IS KNOWING WHAT ADDITIONAL RESEARCH, THIS DISCUSSION PROMPTS JUST LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, WHAT, SO THAT WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ALL ON THAT SO THAT WE CAN, UM, AGAIN, STEP INTO TO PULLING TOGETHER SOME FOLLOW UP DATA THAT'S COMING OUT OF EVERY ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.
THE FINAL, UH, SLIDE IN THIS SET, UM, MONEY AND RESERVE.
SO THIS JUST ADDRESSES, UM, UH, AGAIN, WHAT YOU ALL, UH, PROBABLY KNOW FAR BETTER THAN THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION DOES, BUT THAT, UM, AS PEOPLE AGE, THERE'S SPENDING HABITS DECLINE.
UM, AND, UM, SO AS THEY BECOME A, A LARGER PORTION OF THE POPULATION, UM, UH, THAT CERTAINLY AFFECTS, UM, WHAT THEY SPEND AND, UM, FROM A TAX STANDPOINT TOO, WHICH WE'LL LOOK AT IN A MOMENT.
AND CERTAINLY THAT'S ONE FOLLOWING, UM, TOPIC YOU'VE ALREADY RAISED WITH ME IS THAT, IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE, THE, UH, FINANCE, THE, THE, THE WEALTH BREAKOUT MM-HMM
ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, UM, THAT WERE BROUGHT INTO THIS STUDY TOO.
SO THE FINAL SET THEN TAKES A LOOK AT, AT THOSE SLIDES WE JUST LOOKED AT, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, UM, UH, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT THEN
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MOVING FORWARD? SO AGAIN, BACK TO THE EARLIER SLIDE, WE SAW THE, THE, THE NEED IN TERMS OF INCREASED HEALTH ISSUES ACROSS THE, THE AGING POPULATION, THEN CERTAINLY, UH, MEANS THAT, UH, GREATER HEALTH CARE AND GREATER, UM, CAPACITY TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS AND, AND THE POPULATION OVERALL ARE GONNA BE, UM, IMPORTANT.UM, AND, AND A SIGNIFICANT GROWTH INCREASE IN THE WORKFORCE NEED LOCALLY.
NOW IS, IS THAT CHART BASED UPON AGE STUDY OR JUST IN GENERAL? WE EXPECT TO SEE THIS THAT'S IN GENERAL CORRECT.
IT'S JUST MAKING, UM, IT WEIGHS THE BALANCE OF THE INCREASED AGE POPULATION, UM, THAT IS WEIGHED INTO THE NUMBER THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, UM, THE INCREASED, UM, HEALTHCARE, UM, WORKFORCE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST SHAPED BY THAT, BUT IT DOES WEIGH THAT IN THE BALANCE.
BUT IT DOES SAY THAT IF, IF YOU ALLOW YOUR COMMUNITY TO AGE IN SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGES, YOU WILL NOT HAVE MANUFACTURING BASE MM-HMM
BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUTH STAYING IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE THEM, HIRE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE TO, TO, UH, TO DRAW THEM IN AND SUSTAIN IT.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A COMPETING SPIRAL HERE.
UM, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONETARY RESOURCES FROM THE MANUFACTURING, ET CETERA, SO FORTH.
AND, AND WILL NOT RETURN AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NO, NO WORKFORCE TO SUPPLY TO THEM.
AND THEN WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU WHAT? THAT'S A DILEMMA I THINK THAT, UH, COMMUNITIES ARE FACING, RIGHT? AND THAT, THAT THAT'S THE WRONG STRATEGY.
AND WHAT YOU FOCUSED ON IS WHAT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS LOCALLY HAVE CERTAINLY BEGUN TO FOCUS ON THE, THE LARGER, UM, FOR-PROFIT BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WHAT DO YOU DO TO BEGIN? THAT'S THE BIG CONVERSATION.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO BEGIN TO SHIFT THAT? WHAT CAN WE DO NOW TO ADDRESS THAT REGARDLESS, BUT CERTAINLY WEIGHING INTO THE BALANCE, THE AGING POPULATION AS WELL.
UM, THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE IS, REFERS BACK TO THE FORMAL CAREGIVERS SLIDE THAT WE SAW EARLIER.
UM, UH, AND IT JUST GIVES YOU A PROJECTION THERE OF THE, BY 2034, THE COLLECTIVE NEED IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE TO 21,500 AIDS COMPARED TO A SUPPLY OF 5,100 HOME HEALTH AIDS.
AGAIN, AS BLAKE, AS THE NUMBERS, UM, APPEAR TO BE, IT DOESN'T, THERE, THERE'S TIME FOR US TO INTERVENE AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS DIFFERENTLY, UM, UH, TOGETHER.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT CONVERSATIONS CAN BE ABOUT.
UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, IS ABOUT, UM, THE USE OF LOCAL SAFETY SERVICES, APROPOS, UM, WHAT CHIEF WAS SAYING EARLIER, AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN, UM, IN, IN MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL, UM, THE KIND OF ASSISTS THAT HAVE BEEN SEEN, UH, IN THE RECENT PAST.
AND THE FINAL TWO SLIDES THAT ARE YES, SIR.
SO THAT KIND OF GOES, HITS TO THE, THE POINT OF US HAVING TO BUY MORE AND VERY TYPES OF EQUIPMENT FOR A SMALLER POPULATION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR.
UM, BECAUSE I'M, I'M SEEING, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, MY, MY IMPRESSION I'M GETTING IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE SHOULD WE AS A SUPERVISOR START SPENDING OUR MONEY OR FOCUSING DOWN THE ROAD? NOT MORE THAN NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THE CIP, BUT EVEN FURTHER, BECAUSE AS IT, AS IT POP, WE KNOW IT'S JUST GONNA BE GREATER IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AMBULANCES, UH, DO WE BRING IN, WE GET, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY TO ENHANCE, UM, CONVALESCENCE CENTERS OR SENIOR HOUSING.
I MEAN, BUT THAT THEN IF YOU START DOING THE SENIOR HOUSING PART, YOU, YOU START DRAWING MORE 80 YEAR OLDS.
WHAT WHAT THAT DOES THOUGH IS PEOPLE CAN MOVE INTO THE SENIOR HOUSING AND THEIR, THEIR HOUSE BECOMES AVAILABLE FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE TO MOVE IN.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD SCHOOL SYSTEM, ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE MOVING FROM A HOUSING YORK COUNTY INTO, IF THEY'RE MOVING OUTTA THE AREA.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY TRUE.
SO LIKE ANYTHING, YEAH, I GET, IT'S JUST, UH, KIND OF A WEB HERE.
BUT THE DATA SAYS WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OF 30,000 PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE ALL SENIOR.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED YOU TO LEARN THE POINT.
THAT'S A KEY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND THEY WANT AGE TARGETED HOUSING, SHOULD WE BE DOING IT? THE ANSWER'S
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PROBABLY NO.SO WHAT, WHAT, AND WHAT HAS DRIVEN THAT, THAT THAT GROWTH IS, IS IT, IS IT PRIMARILY PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE COUNTY OF THE SENIOR AGE? OR IS IT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE COUNTY AND HAVE JUST AGED AND IN PLACE? ANSWER THAT ONE.
I MOVED INTO THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S GOT GREAT RESOURCES, WONDERFUL HEALTHCARE, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS MY AGE.
UM, IT, IT'S ATTRACTIVE TO SENIORS TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA 'CAUSE IT'S GOT EVERYTHING YOU WANT.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT ANSWER OF WHERE WE WANNA BE LONGER TERM OR IF WE ALLOW THAT SLIDE TO CONTINUE.
OR DO WE EVEN HAVE A CAPABILITY TO MARK? DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION? SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT.
SO I WANTED TO ASK MARGARET TO ADD A LITTLE BIT VERY BRIEFLY TO THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE HERE WE TALK ABOUT, I ASSUME A PS IS ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
SO THIS ALL FALLS WITHIN MARGARET'S WHEELHOUSE.
SO THIS WAS ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED, UH, YOU TO UNDERSTAND, IS HOW THIS TIES IN TO ALL THE SERVICES WE OFFER AND HOW IT'S GONNA IMPACT US IN THE FUTURE.
WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS MM-HMM
SO SOCIAL SERVICES, AS YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, COMPRISED OF FUNDING NOT JUST FROM LOCAL DOLLARS, BUT STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WELFARE CHECKS INCREASING PLUS 108%, THERE'S A LOCAL MATCH TO THAT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PS INVESTIGATIONS BEING UP 57% IN THESE PROJECTIONS, THERE'S A LOCAL MATCH TO THAT.
THEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUIPMENT FOR LIKE FIRE, LIFE AND SAFETY, WE WORK VERY WELL WITH THAT DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY WITH ONE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL ON THE ELDERLY POPULATION SO THAT WE'RE NOT SOAKING UP THE EMS UM, RESOURCES.
BUT THEN WITH THAT BECOMES AN INCREASE IN INVESTIGATIONS.
SO I'VE GIVEN SOME BRIEF PROJECTIONS, AND SO TO GIVE YOU SOME CURRENT REAL TIME STATS RIGHT NOW, UM, THE STATE IS LOOKING AT REALLOCATING ADULT SERVICES POSITIONS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN GROWTH, THEIR INTEREST IN YORK COUNTY AND OCN IS BECAUSE NOT JUST THE WHOLE STATE IS AGING, RIGHT? ALL OF US AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE AS HEALTHCARE GETS BETTER, BUT OUR PARTICULAR LOCALITIES IS AGING AT A GREATER RATE, MEANING THAT WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE AGE 20 YEARS LONGER THAN SOME OF THESE OTHER LOCALITIES.
SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME AND TO HAVE THE RESOURCES.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR OUR DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE 262 ACTIVE ADULT SERVICES, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE, WE HAVE 150 GUARDIANSHIP REPORTS THAT WE RUN OUTTA MONEY BEFORE MIDYEAR, EVERY SINGLE YEAR BUDGET LINE.
SO WITH RESOURCES AND EVEN THE ONES THAT DO FINANCIALLY HAVE THE MONEY, UM, OUR SUPERVISOR OVERSEES THE, UH, FORENSIC CENTER, UH, THAT THEY'RE USING AS A MODEL FOR THE REST OF THE STATE.
WE HAVE MORE AND MORE CASES OF, UNFORTUNATELY, ABUSE AND FUNDS BEING TAPPED INTO THAT THE ELDERLY POPULATION DOESN'T KNOW.
SO WAIT, YOU LEAVE, OH, I'M SORRY.
YOU JUST SAID SOME THINGS HERE.
SO 262 WHAT? 262 ACTIVE ADULT CASES AS OF TODAY.
ADULT ACTIVE ADULT CASES FOR WHAT? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BREAK DOWN FOR YOU, SIR.
SO, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE SMALL BACKGROUND, A PS MEANS ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES INVESTIGATIONS.
THAT'S WHEN WE'RE INVESTIGATING WHETHER THERE'S ABUSE THAT CAN BE IN A HOME.
THAT COULD BE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER, THAT CAN BE WITH A CARETAKER.
IT COULD BE IN ONE OF THE CENTERS.
WE RECEIVE THOSE REPORTS AS WELL.
THEN WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ONGOING CASES.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN FOUNDED, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP FOLLOWING UP ON 'EM TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S IMPROVEMENT MADE, WHETHER WE'RE HAVING TO DISPLACE THEM INTO ANOTHER AREA SO THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
WE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT HAVE WHAT'S CALLED ADULT SERVICES CLIENTS.
SO NOT EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO US THAT HAS NEEDS IS NECESSARILY ABUSED OR FINANCIALLY EXPLOIT, EXPLOITED.
ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE SEE A LOT WITH THE ELDERLY POPULATION, AND IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVE TO YORK, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS HOARDING, THAT'S A COMMON THING FOR THE ELDERLY POPULATION.
AND A VERY EXPENSIVE THING I MIGHT ADD, BECAUSE TO TRY TO GET THOSE, THEIR HOMES UNCLUTTERED, DECLUTTERED, AND THEN AFFECTS THEIR HEALTH AND THEY MIGHT HAVE MULTIPLE PETS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE, IT'S AN INVESTIGATION, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING ONGOING SERVICES FOR THEM.
THEN THERE'S WHAT WE CALL THE GUARDIANSHIP REPORT.
THAT'S WHERE SOMEBODY FOR WHATEVER MEANS WITH A FAMILY MEMBER OR CAN'T, OR THEY DON'T HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER, BUT THEY NEED SOMEBODY TO OVERSEE THEIR CARE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES.
SO WE ASSIST WITH GETTING A GUARDIAN APPOINTED FOR THEM.
THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING TO, FROM, UH, A FRIEND OR A KINSHIP PLACEMENT, IF YOU WILL.
OR IT COULD BE SOMEBODY LIKE JEWISH FAMILY SERVICES, CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
IT CAN BE, UM, OTHER MEANS THAT THEY'RE APPOINTED THROUGH THAT.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
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I'LL CLOSE VERY QUICKLY SO THAT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR OTHER THINGS WE WANNA, UH, DISCUSS AND, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ELSE AND WHAT KIND OF SKIN DOES THE FOUNDATION NEED TO TRY TO HAVE IN THE GAME MOVING FORWARD TOO.UM, UH, THE FINAL TWO SLIDES, UM, FOCUS ON, UM, UH, THE, THE ECONOMICS, UH, WELL, SPECIFICALLY THE ECONOMICS.
UM, SO THE, THE SALES TAX SLIDE.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE FOCUSES ON POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN PROPERTY TAX AS WELL.
THE FINAL SLIDE, UM, SIMPLY IS ONE OF QUESTIONS THAT THE RESEARCHERS PROPOSED MIGHT NEED TO BE CONCERTED BY ALL OF US AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
SOME OF THE THINGS, THE ONES THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY RAISED TODAY, WE'RE HEARING ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS IN DIFFERENT SETTINGS.
UM, BUT FOR US TOO, OUR QUESTION TO YOU ALL IS, UM, WHO ELSE NEEDS TO RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION? IN WHAT SETTINGS? WHO'S THE BEST MESSENGER TO, TO SHARE IT? UM, AND TO BEGIN TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FIRST.
UM, AND WHAT CAN THE PENINSULA AS A WHOLE, UH, LOOK AT TOGETHER THAT, UM, ISN'T MUNICIPALITY SPECIFIC? UM, WHERE DO WE BEGIN? BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IF YOU START TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON ONE FRONT, PROGRESS OPENS UP ON SOME OTHERS AS WELL.
WELL, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS, IS, IS ONE THAT NEEDS TO GET ENGAGED AND GETTING INVOLVED BECAUSE ONE, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
UM, IF, IF I'M IN THE CARPENTRY, I MAY BE LOOKING AT SPECIALIZING INTO HOW TO TRANSFORM SOMEBODY'S HOME.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE AGE AND HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES.
UH, IF I'M A TRANSPORTATION COMPANY, MAYBE I'LL START A SENIOR LYFT OR UBER SERVICE TO HELP GET, MOVE SENIOR, MOVE SENIORS AROUND THE, THE COUNTY.
UM, SO I, I WILL LOOK TO THE, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, ALL RIGHT? HOW, HOW CAN WE ENGAGE WITH YOU ALL TO HELP WITH, WITH THIS NEW CHALLENGE COMING UP? THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
IT'S KIND OF A, KIND OF A WIN-WIN.
SO DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THIS DATA SO THEY CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
YOU'RE TALKING THROUGH THE CHAMBERS? CHAMBERS? YEP.
UM, THE DIFF THE DIFFERENT EDS THEY CAN REACH OUT TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR CONTACTS.
BOB, UM, MCKENNA HAS PLANNED ON MARCH 20TH TO DO A PROGRAM THAT'S ONE OF HIS, UM, I THINK RISING TIDE SERIES.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT LOOKS AT BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM FROM A WORKFORCE PERSPECTIVE.
SO CARE FOR THE VERY YOUNG AND CARE FOR THE OLDER AND WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING TO SHAPE THEN WHAT THE WORKFORCE LOOKS LIKE, WHAT'S HAPPENING TO SHAPE WHAT BUSINESS LOOKS LIKE, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE.
TO YOUR POINT, ALL BOIL DOWN TO MONEY.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET DOWN, YOU GET DOWN TO IT.
BUSINESS CAN STAY IN BUSINESS IF THEY'RE MAKING MONEY.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY FOR THEM TO PAY HELP, PAY FOR THE, SO OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE GOVERNMENT HAVING TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING.
AND THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT DRIVES, THAT DRIVES EVERYTHING.
SO HAVING TO, YOU END UP WITH WHAT, 20% OF YOUR POPULATION IN 2050 BEING 80 OR BEING 80 PLUS, THEN YOU GOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE 80% THAT'S HANGING OUT.
THEY GOTTA PAY FOR THIS THROUGH TAXES OR SOMETHING.
OR SOMEBODY'S GOTTA HAVE MONEY AND THEY GOTTA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THIS.
YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT SIMPLE AT ALL.
I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE HAD TO, TO UH, SHOOT, I COULD WRITE A BOOK ON, ON, ON SOME OF THE STUFF I HAD TO GO THROUGH IN TURN INVOLVING LAWYERS INVOLVING, UH, DIFFERENT STATES.
'CAUSE YOU MOVE THEM ACROSS STATES, IT CAN HAVE RELATIONSHIP ISSUES.
UH, I MEAN, IT, IT GETS EXPENSIVE.
UM, AND I'D BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I'LL TELL YOU THE STORY TONIGHT, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS STUFF.
PEOPLE GET OUT, VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, TRY TO HELP OUT, CAREGIVERS WEAR OUT.
YOU GOTTA HAVE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN ALZHEIMER'S OR CASES LIKE THAT, PEOPLE JUST KEEP 'EM AT HOME.
ONE PERSON WILL DO THE JOB OF SIX MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.
I MEAN, JUST THEN, THEN YOU END UP WITH THEM GETTING SICK.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.
WE COULD HELP IF WE HAVE ANSWERS.
UH, I MEAN, I SEE THE PROBLEM COMING.
ALL OF US SEE THIS TRAIN ROLLING DOWN THE, YOU KNOW, OR BOULDER IF WE USE THAT BOULDER ROLLING DOWNHILL.
BUT WHAT'S THE ANSWERS? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M WONDERING WHAT ABOUT THE HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SENTARA AND WE'VE GOT RIVERSIDE, AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THIS PROBLEM AS WELL.
BUT, BUT I, BUT THEY'VE GOT THE EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH IT AND THE KNOWLEDGE MORE.
RIVERSIDE WAS A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DAILY.
AND YOU KNOW, PART OF WHY THEY SHAPED THEIR RECENT CAMPAIGN AROUND
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THEIR NEUROLOGICAL, UM, PROGRAM WAS BECAUSE OF THIS DATA.THEY, THEY, THEY'D SEEN VERSIONS OF THIS, NOT THIS, BUT THEY HAD THEIR OWN VERSIONS OF THAT THAT SAID, WE BETTER GET READY NOW.
AND SO THEY FOUND SOME PRIVATE SUPPORT.
UM, CASE IN POINT, YOU TAKE SOMEBODY NOW DOWN TO RIVERSIDE AND I'M SURE SENTARA AND ALL THE OTHERS HAVE IT THAT'S HAD A POTENTIAL STROKE.
AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE FINISHED, YOU'VE DONE WHAT THEY CAN DO.
THEN YOU GOTTA, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH 'EM NEXT? YOU KNOW, YOU GONNA WAREHOUSE THE, THE THE PATIENT OR, OR WHAT I MEAN, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WHAT, IT'S NOT ONE CONNECTED SMOOTH OPERATION HERE.
AND UH, I MEAN YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE, UH, UM, WHAT IS THE ONE DOWN PORT WORK? NOT PORT WORK, BUT, UH, WHAT WARWICK NO, IT'S NOT PORT WORK.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, IN FACT THE ONE THEY'RE JUST IS FOR TWO ROOM FOR A TWO ROOM, APARTMENT.
WE LOOK AT IT, IT'S REALLY VERY, AND IF YOU GO INTO A FULL UP CONATION, CONATION, THERE GONNA BE EIGHT, 8,000 A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, GUESS WHAT? THEN THE STATE HAS TO COME IN WITH MEDICAID.
YOU BETTER HOPE WE GOT MEDICAID TO HELP TAKE CARE OF IT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THESE PEOPLE? YOU CAN'T LET 'EM LAY OUT IN THE STREET.
SO ALL THESE THINGS WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT.
LIKE I HEARD THE WALKING THING REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVING, HAVING UM, A FACILITY AT A SPOT WHERE THE ELDERLY CAN GET OUT AND WALK TO SOMETHING MM-HMM
OR WALK IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE, WE, I KNOW WE CAN DEAL WITH SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT, BUT I'M SO GLAD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO COME BECAUSE YOU'VE STARTED THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND YOU, YOU'VE RAISED QUESTIONS FOR US TO REALLY CHEW ON, IF YOU WILL.
I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S THE FUTURE IS THERE.
WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FACE IT AND IT, IT COMES, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.
THERE ARE TAXES THAT NEED TO BE INCREASED TO COVER SOME OF THOSE COSTS.
UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, MORE EMPLOYEES IN CERTAIN FIELDS.
SO THERE'S A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE ONE BITE OF THE APPLE AT THE TIME.
AND HOPEFULLY WE, UH, HAVE FINISHED THE APPLE BEFORE THE NEED IS REALLY CRITICAL.
BUT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
THEY REALLY OPENED UP MY EYES.
WEREN'T WE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE? UM, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO REVERSE THIS TREND? WE, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, 30,000 SENIORS MOVED INTO THIS COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE BOTTOM LINE MESSAGE HERE.
I WAS AT HAMPTON, ROBS ALLIANCE MEETING LAST WEEK, AND, UH, DAVE SOLD OUT THE, UM, EXECUTIVE FOR NEWPORT NEWS.
SHIPBUILDING TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SKILLED WORKERS AND ENGINEERS THAT HE NEEDS TO BRING IN YEARLY TO SUPPORT THE SUBMARINE AND THE SURFACE SHIP, UH, PROGRAMS. AND HE HIRED A THOUSAND ENGINEERS THIS PAST YEAR.
HE NEEDS A THOUSAND MORE THIS YEAR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE IN VIRGINIA.
WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GENERATING THE WORKFORCE THAT WE NEED TO BE.
AND THEN HE TALKED ABOUT SKILLED WORKFORCE.
YOU KNOW, TRY AND FIND A WELDER,
OH, I'VE HEARD THIS STORY ABOUT TOO OFTEN ABOUT WELDING.
JUST TALK TO JUNIOR COXIN ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST THINKING.
I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ON FRIDAY AND HE, HE'S BACK IN THE BOOTH HIMSELF LAYING DOWN IN PAINT AT THIS POINT.
SO IT, IT, THE POINT HERE IS IT'S NOT, WE, WE CAN AGREE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF SPENDING REQUIREMENTS IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH OF WE'RE GETTING OLDER, WE'VE GOT A MUCH HIGHER POPULATION, AGING POPULATION BASE TO DEAL WITH.
BUT THE SECONDARY MESSAGE IS WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT HITTING THE ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO BE HITTING, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE FOR YOUTH TO STAY HERE SO THAT WE CAN DRIVE MANUFACTURING.
THAT'S THE PER QUESTION TOUCH BASE.
SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THAT VERY SAME QUESTION FOR EONS.
WE HAVE TO MAKE A STEP CHANGE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? GOTTA BRING SOMETHING.
SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR YEARS.
WHAT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT? I MEAN, HAVE, WHAT STUDIES HAVE WE CONDUCTED TO ASK THOSE, THOSE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, TO OUR KIDS IN, IN HIGH SCHOOL, ARE YOU STAYING HERE OR ARE YOU LEAVING? ARE YOU LEAVING? WHY ARE YOU LEAVING? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? WHAT CAN WE BRING, BRING, I MEAN, HAVE WE DONE THE, HAVE WE DONE THE STUDIES? YES.
THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL CREATED A GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL.
WE PITCH IN ON THAT AND WHAT THAT DOES IT, THERE WAS A THING THAT THE MOVEMENT, I'M SAY IT'S A MOVEMENT 'CAUSE I DON'T EVER HEARD ANY CLEAR, CLEAR DIRECTION ON THIS, IS THAT NOT ALL THE KIDS NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE.
YOU, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE TRADES.
AND, AND I, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE AND COME BACK AND SAID, WHAT A WASTE OR SOMETHING
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THEY DIDN'T NEED TO DO.AND THEY GO INTO THE TRADES AND THE TRADES, AIR CONDITIONING, PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, BASIC NEEDS.
ALL THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, IS NEEDED.
SO, SO WE'VE SET UP THE TRADES IN TWO PLACES.
I MEAN, THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL AND UP THERE UP IN WILLIAMSBURG.
THERE'S ANOTHER GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL UP THERE.
BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW OUR OUR YOUTH TO STAY.
I MEAN, THE, THE, IT IT NEW HORIZONS, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE SHIPYARD FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WILL TAKE 'EM OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL AS THEY ARE AND PUT 'EM IN THEIR OWN TRAINING PROGRAM.
AND I MEAN, THEY COME OUT OF THERE, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE GETTING A, THEY GETTING A, A GOOD BACKGROUND AND THEN THEY DON'T STAY.
WE, WHEN WE BUILT THE HEMP ROADS, BRIDGE TUNNEL AND ALL THAT, WE HIRED ALMOST EVERY WELDER IN THE UNITED STATES CAME DOWN HERE.
'CAUSE WE WERE, THEY WERE PAYING WAGES THAT WERE WAY ABOVE EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
SO THE OTHER STATES WERE STARTING TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY COULDN'T GET WELDERS.
WHERE WERE THEY? SO, SO BACK TO THE MONEY EQUATION.
THEY'RE PAYING PLENTY OF MONEY.
WELL, THEY JUST, THEY DON'T WANT TO.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD, GREAT QUESTION.
WHY WOULD A YOUNG PERSON WANNA STAY HERE WHEN THEY'RE BORED TO DEATH,
AND THEN THAT, THAT GOES BACK.
BUT, BUT THAT GOES BACK TO, RIGHT.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE STUDY SAYING, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE ENERGY.
I MEAN, THEY LIVE IN, THERE'S SO MANY OF 'EM I KNOW THAT WANNA GO LIVE IN THE BIG CITY BECAUSE THE ENERGY, THE CONCERTS, THE LIFESTYLE, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I MAY HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN, OH, I'VE GOTTA, I JUST WANNA DIG MY BUTT OUT OF THE, OUT OF POVERTY AND, AND MAKE US, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
THE YOUTH, A LOT OF THE YOUTH, THEY'RE NOT THERE ON THAT.
THEY WANNA JUST HAVE FUN TO HAVE A GOOD JOB AND HAVE FUN.
YOU GOTTA LOOK, YOU GOTTA ADJUST TO THE ATTITUDE.
THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS OUT THERE.
WE GOTTA MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
SO WHAT DO THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY NEED TO DO TO BE A PARTNER WITH THE MUNICIPALITY? AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE, AND THE TRADE ISSUE TOO.
I MEAN, NEW HORIZON IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
BUT WHERE, WHERE DID THOSE FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS USED TO COME FROM? BEFORE THERE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL PARENT, HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL, YOU HAD TO HAVE SHOP IN HIGH SCHOOL, SHOP IN HIGH SCHOOL.
TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF HIGH SCHOOLS.
ONE WAS THE, I DON'T THINK, SHOPS ON THE SOLS.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
GUESS WHAT? WE'RE KILLING THAT SLIDE.
THE BACK ROW HERE IS LING UP THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.
I THINK WE WERE HITTING THE RIGHT MARKS.
MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE YOU SIT ON THE BOARD BOARD.
THOSE OF US WHO STILL HAVE HIGH SCHOOL AND YOUNGER AGE CHILDREN ANYMORE.
[2* Solid Waste Update. Brian Fuller, Deputy County Administrator, and Laurie Halperin, Waste Services Manager. ]
THE AGENDA IS A SOLID WASTE UPDATE.AND BRIAN, ARE YOU DOING IT WHEREVER YOU ARE? YES.
MY MAMA IS LORI
JUST TWO THINGS THAT, UH, ON THE SLIDES THAT WE JUST SAW, I THINK ON THE PENINSULA, OVER 50% OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE IS PAID BY 60 AND OLDER AND IT'S ONLY GONNA GET MORE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SAY THAT AGAIN, OVER 50% OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX IS PAID BY INDIVIDUALS OVER 60 ON THE PENINSULA.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SENIOR DISCOUNTS, WE TALK ABOUT THINGS, DISCOUNTS.
THAT'S, THAT GOES A LONG WAY INTO OUR TAX BASE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THESE KIDS ARE GONNA LIVE? YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T AFFORD A 400,000 HOUSE.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD A 300,000 HOUSE.
HOW DO YOU GO TO SHIPYARD AND GET A JOB? WELL, EVEN IF THEY DO HAVE A JOB, BUT THEN DO THEY WANT THAT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE.
THEY WANT TO LIVE IN PLACES THAT THEY CAN WALK TO RESTAURANTS, WALK TO ENTERTAINMENT, DO THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE APARTMENTS, BUT THE APARTMENTS ARE WHERE PEOPLE START OUT MM-HMM
WITH RESTAURANTS AROUND IT AND ACT MOVIE THEATERS AND, AND THINGS TO KEEP, KEEP THEM INTERESTED.
SO I, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT APARTMENTS HAVE ARE TERRIBLE AND THEY'VE GOTTEN A BAD NAME, BUT THEY, WHERE YOU BEGIN WITH MANY, MANY PEOPLE AND EVEN NOW THE COST FOR APARTMENTS ARE 1400 ATTENTION.
2000 DEPENDING ON WHAT, SOME CASES IT'S
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CHEAPER TO HAVE A MORTGAGE THAN A PAID, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA FIND A HOUSE TO HAVE A MORTGAGE ON.THAT'S WITHIN THE PRICE THAT YOU QUALIFY FOR.
SO YOU, WELL HAVE SOME MARKET.
YOU'RE BETWEEN A ROCKS AND A HARD PLACE.
A GUY, YOU KNOW, DOUG, DOUG IS LIVING IN A PLACE WHERE THE, THE, WAS IT THREE, TWO PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO ZONE THAT AREA UP THERE.
I'LL LEAVE THAT THERE AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER FUN TOPIC.
UH, LORI AND I ARE GONNA GIVE YOU THE REASON I'M NEXT TO CAMP PERRY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOLID WASTE TONIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS KIND OF DO A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION AND THEN HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PRESENTATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UH, JUST A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, SOLID WASTE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS SUPPOSED TO BE SELF SUPPORTING, PAID FOR BY USER FEES.
THEY TYPICALLY NOT SUPPORTED BY TAX DOLLARS AS THOUGH LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'VE HAD TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AT TIME.
THE PRIMARY SERVICES ARE THE TRANSFER STATION OPERATION, CURBSIDE GARBAGE AND RECYCLING COLLECTION DROP OFF SITES FOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING AND THE VIS VISTA PROGRAM.
SO WE LAST GAVE YOU A BRIEFING LAST YEAR IN MARCH AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE FOR 2005.
AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE SAID THAT THAT WAS A ONE YEAR LOOK AT THE FEES.
UH, WE HADN'T RAISED THE FEES IN FIVE YEARS.
IT'D BEEN 2019 SINCE WE HAD RAISED THE FEES BEFORE THAT.
SO WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO ASSESS THE RATES AND NOW WE'RE GONNA REPORT BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE FOR 2026.
SO ALONG THE WAY, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH.
WE DID A FLASH THROAT SURVEY, UH, WE'VE DID SOME OUTREACH AND REGIONAL, UH, OUTREACH AND VARIOUS THINGS.
AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE MARKETING PIECES THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO GIVE INFORMATION TO TRY TO HELP WITH THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT PRODUCTS IN THERE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN A, A BIG THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FLASH VOTE SURVEY, WE HAD 83.3% OF PARTICIPANTS PARTICIPATED IN THE CURBSIDE PROGRAM.
THE RESPONSE WAS REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT THEY DO REPORT LOCAL RECYCLING AND WHAT WE DO, UH, AND ESPECIALLY, WAIT A MINUTE, OKAY, LET'S BE CAREFUL HERE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE INPUT DIDN'T COME FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
NO, BUT IT WAS A SCIENTIFICALLY STATISTICALLY SURVEY.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS STATISTICALLY VALID.
YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE FLASH VOTE SURVEYS, THAT'S THE, THE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CHOSE TO DO THAT, RATHER THAN JUST DO A SURVEY AND YOU GET 500 RESPONSES AND YOU MAY GET, YOU KNOW, 490 OF 'EM FROM A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.
THESE ARE ALL SCIENTIFICALLY DONE, SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
UH, AND, AND STATISTICALLY VALID.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FLASHLIGHT.
THE, THE MORE, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE, UM, THE BETTER, YOU KNOW, THE MORE INFORMATION THAT WE DO HAVE.
BUT, BUT TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S SEVEN, 2000 PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND ABOUT FIVE OH PEOPLE RESPONDED BACK, NOT EVEN THAT MUCH BACK.
SO IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE RESPONDED.
SO, AND, AND I, AND I GET THAT IS A GOOD BREAKOUT.
THESE ARE GOOD NUMBERS WORK WITH, BUT STILL, AND IT'S, IT'S WITHIN 5%.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT A, UH, DURING THE PAST ELECTION, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE POLLS THAT WERE DONE ARE DONE WITH LESS THAN A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
AND THEY CAN MAKE NATIONAL, YOU KNOW, PROJECTIONS, PROJECTIONS WITHIN THREE OR 4%.
SO, I MEAN, SO WELL, IF SOMEBODY REPRESENTS PEOPLE, I'D PREFER TO HAVE MORE INPUT THAN LESS.
WELL, AND, AND WE, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH RIGHT.
AND WE, WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE, UM, EVERY WHICH WAY WE CAN AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, TO UM, VOTE AND PARTICIPATE.
IT'S THE OLD THING YOU BRING, BRING A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DRINK.
AND WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE, WE HAVE THE STATISTICALLY VALID PIECE OF THE SURVEY, BUT IF THEY DO SEND IT TO OTHER PEOPLE, WE DO GATHER AND CAPTURE THAT DATA.
IT'S, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S KEPT IT SEPARATE SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SKEW, THE RESULTS.
SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT OUTREACHES THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR.
UH, AND WE'VE TRIED TO, TRIED TO GET THE WORD OUT IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
MULTIPLE DIFFERENT, UH, VENUES, INSERTS AND UTILITY BILLS.
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SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS.WE'VE REALLY, UH, LAURIE AND HER TEAM AND AND SAM HAVE REALLY DONE A LOT OF WORK ON TRYING TO MARKET, UM MM-HMM
THE INFORMATION AND GET PEOPLE THE RIGHT INFORMATION SO THEY KNOW WHAT IS RECYCLABLE AND WHAT IS NOT.
UM, SO WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME REGIONAL CAMPAIGNS AND OUTREACH, WORKING WITH HR, UM, GREEN MM-HMM
UM, AND THE SMART, UH, SMART START.
I COME FROM PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE HAVE SMART START, SO IT'S DIFFERENT.
UH, START SMART, START SMART RECYCLING RIGHT CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS A REGIONAL CAMPAIGN THAT WE'VE DONE.
UH, WE DID PUT, UH, WE'RE PUTTING NEW PLACARDS ON THE CARS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START IS ACTUALLY A FEET ON THE STREET, WHICH IS AN ACTUALLY PHYSICAL AUDIT.
UH, GOING AROUND AND, AND LOOKING AT THE, THE CANS AND SEEING WHAT PEOPLE ARE RECYCLING AND SEEING HOW THAT WORKS AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH.
AND THEN, SO MAYBE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES TO, UM, OUR INFORMATION.
IF THEY'RE PUTTING THE WRONG THINGS IN THE RECYCLING BIN, WE CAN DO SOME MORE EDUCATION AND TAILOR IT TO THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING.
ACTUALLY, OF THE THINGS I, ONE OF THE THINGS FOR RECYCLING THAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS IS I DON'T THINK WE ADDRESS THE RIGHT ISSUE.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE RECYCLING ON
SO THE FLASH, THE FLASH BOAT NUMBERS WERE PEOPLE WERE REALLY RECEPTIVE OF RECYCLING.
THEY'RE RECEPTIVE, BUT THEY'RE DUMPING CRAP INTO THE ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
WELL, THAT'S THE SELF-DEFEATING.
SO IF THEY REALLY WANT IT, THEN SOMETHING'S GOTTA HAPPEN TO MAKE 'EM DO THE RIGHT THING.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL OF OUR EDUCATIONAL PIECES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO EDUCATE THOSE PEOPLE.
I GO BACK TO SHEILA'S COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD TRY TO EDUCATE 'EM, BUT IF THEY DON'T WANNA LEARN, GUESS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA END UP WITH? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIGHT BULBS IN YOUR, UH, RECYCLING BIN OR ALUMINUM FOIL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING YOU BRING OUT THE RECYCLING COPS LIKE THEY HAVE UP IN ALEXANDRIA, YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY WRITE YOU A CITATION UP THERE IF YOU PUT STUFF IN THE WRONG TIME.
AND IT'S THE SAME WAY THEY DO IN EUROPE.
BUT YOU'VE GOTTA, WE GOTTA EITHER COME UP AND DO SOMETHING AND START DOING IT.
RIGHT, OR GET OUT OF THE PROGRAM.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE WASTING MONEY IF WE'RE TAKING THE DAMN STUFF AND HAULING IT TO THE DUMP.
SO, UM, THE, THE WASTE WIZARD ARE SOME EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH NEXT WEEK.
BUT NORFOLK HAS ALREADY LAUNCHED TO ALSO TO TRY TO EDUCATE AND WORK ON THIS.
WHAT'S THAT LIKE? SO IT'S JUST EDUCATIONAL.
WE'RE DOING SOME WEBSITE, SOME CHILDREN'S, UH, ACTIVITIES ON THE WEB TO KIND OF EDUCATE THEM.
AND LORI CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, OR SAM CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, BUT, BUT THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE.
YOU KNOW, YOU START 'EM MEET YOUNG, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN MY KIDS WERE YOUNG, IF I WOULD'VE THROWN THIS IN THE TRASHCAN, THEY WOULD'VE YELLED AT ME, UH MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE LEARNING ABOUT RECYCLING IN SCHOOL AND, AND, AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WE GOTTA GET THE KIDS KIDS USED TO DOING IT.
AND IT'S SECOND NATURE WITH THEM.
SO HERE ARE THE BIMONTHLY RATES THAT WE ADOPTED LAST YEAR.
UH, AND SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT Y'ALL ASKED WAS WHAT WAS THE EFFECT OF THE CHANGE IN THE RATES WHEN WE INCREASED THE RATES? SO WE LOST ABOUT 500 PEOPLE FROM GARBAGE AND RECYCLING, AND THEY WENT FROM GARBAGE AND RECYCLING TO JUST GARBAGE ONLY.
SO IT WAS A SMALL, SMALL CHANGE IN THAT SERVICE.
SO IT WASN'T A, A GREAT LOSS OF NUMBER IMPLICATION BEING THERE, NOT RECYCLING.
AND, AND REMEMBER THE COUNTIES, THE COUNTY SERVICES ARE ALL OPTIONAL.
THEY CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE PART IN THE TRASH PLANT.
YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN PRIVATE SERVICE IF YOU WANT.
YOU CAN I TAKE IT SOMEWHERE AND BRING IT TO, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WANT, BUT YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT MANDATORY.
HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU GO TO THE DUMP I'D CALL THE DUMP, BRING THEIR OWN GARBAGE.
I DON'T HAVE A HARD NUMBER FOR YOU.
WE HAVE 17,000 AND CHANGE HOMES ON OUR PROGRAM.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE DROP OFF CENTER FOR NO EXTRA CHARGE.
AND SO MANY OF THEM DO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UM, I CAN GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU IF YOU LIKE.
NO, JUST, JUST, JUST MY CURIOSITY.
I, I, BECAUSE YOU WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THE GARBAGE'S? IF 5,000
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PEOPLE, THERE'S 5,000 MORE HOMES.I THINK YOU CAN ADD TO THAT LIST, NOT ADD TO IT, BUT 5,000, THERE'S 20 WHAT? 22,000 OR? YEAH.
WELL, SOME, LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE PRIVATE SERVICE.
SO MY TOWNHOUSE ASSOCIATION, I HAVE PRIVATE SERVICE THAT MY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION MM-HMM
BUT I'M ON THE COUNTY'S RECYCLING PLANT.
SO THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A CAFETERIA.
SO WE ALL LOST 500 PEOPLE OR 500 RECYCLERS? YES.
IT DRAWS OUT THE COST PER HOW MANY NOW FOR RECYCLING? 22,000.
AND SO 17 OF 'EM ARE PARTICIPATING? MM-HMM
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME HERE? MM-HMM
SO THIS IS JUST BASICALLY SHOWS THE CHART THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE OUTPACING OPERATING REVENUES.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.
WHEN WE CAME BACK TO LOOK AT THAT, REMEMBER WHAT WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH, WITH THE SENIORS, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA GET TAX THING AND I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ATTACH COST OF LIVING ANNUALLY.
WAITING FIVE YEARS IS A SHOCK TO PEOPLE.
WHEREAS IF IT'S INCREMENTAL, IT'S MORE UNDERSTANDABLE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
UM, AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT'S, GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALRIGHT, SO, YOU KNOW, A SHARP INCREASE IS THIS JUST, IS THIS, UM, RECYCLES TWO? OR IS IT, THIS IS BOTH.
THIS IS ALL, SO WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S DROVE THAT INCREASE FROM 23 TO PRODUCTIVE FIVE? SO YOU HAVE USAGE, YOU HAVE, UM, THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE IN OUR CONTRACTS.
WE HAVE AUTOMATIC INCREASES IN THE CONTRACTS ANNUALLY.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THOSE FIVE YEARS WHERE WE DIDN'T RAISE THE RATE.
THAT DIDN'T MEAN OUR COST DIDN'T GO UP, BUT OUR REVENUES DIDN'T KEEP UP WITH THAT.
BUT WE, WE BEING CHARGED THE COST OF LIVING.
BUT WE'RE CHARGED THE COST OF LIVING EVEN THOUGH OUR RATES WEREN'T INCREASING.
AND THAT GETS BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT 23 TO 25 LOOKS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN JUST COST OF LIVING SOMETHING.
SOMEBODY'S COMING HERE, US WITH SOME ALSO INFLATION.
UH, ALSO OUR USAGE IS INCREASED.
SOME OF OUR USAGE IS BASED OUR, OR SOME OF OUR FEES ARE BASED ON USAGE.
WE GET NEW CONTRACT IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
BUT I MEAN, DO WE GET A NEW CONTRACT? NO, NOT YET.
THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT THE EIGHT YEAR CONTRACT OR YEAH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
SO WE'RE COLLECTING, WE'VE COLLECTED MORE TRASH OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS, OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE BROUGHT LESS RECYCLES OR LESS COMPOST AND LESS THINGS TO THE RECYCLING CENTER AND TO THE TRANSFER STATION.
SO OUR PERCENTAGE HAS GONE UP.
OUR, THE PERCENTAGE HAS GONE UP, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE NUMBERS STAYED FAIRLY FLAT.
ACTUAL, BUT OUR ACTUAL PERCENTAGE IS GREATER BECAUSE POCOS AND HAMPTON ARE NOT BRINGING AS MUCH STUFF TO THE COUNTY'S TRANSFER STATION.
WHY IS THAT? SOME OF IT'S PROXIMITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY IN YOUR COUNTY.
IT'S NOT SO CONVENIENT IF YOU LIVE IN HAMPTON OR POCO TO CALL THE COME ALL THE WAY.
AND, AND SOME OF IT IS HAMPTON'S CHANGE SOME OF, SOME OF THE WAYS THAT THEY DEAL WITH SOME OF THAT PRODUCT.
I NOTICED THAT THEY DO HAVE THAT LOVELY MOUNTAIN THAT THEY'RE BUILDING MM-HMM
AND CERTAIN DAYS YOU GO BY, YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN 64 AND YOU NEED A CLOSE PEN
SO, SO, UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX FOR THE CONTRACTS.
UH, WE HAVE THE INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS IN ALL THE PROGRAMS. A BIG THING HERE IS THE GROWING PARTICIPATION IN THE SENIOR DISCOUNT RATE.
SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE NUMBER OF THE INCREASE IN THE SENIOR DISCOUNT RATE THAT WE REALLY HIT HOME LAST YEAR.
SO WE HAD AN INCREASE IN THE, THE SENIORS THAT PARTICIPATED AND WOW.
REALLY? SO THAT, THAT WAS A DELTA, A LARGE DELTA IN THE DISCOUNT VALUE.
AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 300, WELL OVER $300,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FY 24 AND FY 26 QUALIFY AS A SENIOR IN THIS PROGRAM.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE, WE MISSED LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE SENIOR RATE, IS WE, WE DIDN'T KEEP THE RATIOS THE SAME.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SENIOR RATE FOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING AND, UH, A NON-SENIOR RATE WAS $9.
UH, WHEN WE DID THE DISCOUNTED RATE LAST YEAR, WE, WE MISSED THE RECYCLING AND THAT GAP CAME TO $23.
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SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE IN $23.SO THAT CAUSED, THAT'S WHAT REALLY DROVE THIS UP.
UH, THE DISCOUNT IN THE SENIOR RATE.
SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FORECAST FOR THE OPERATING FUND FOR NEXT YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, PROJECTED, UH, REVENUES IS, IS FAIRLY FLAT.
UH, AND OPERATING EXPENSES ARE ABOUT $700,000 MORE.
UH, WITH THE CURRENT PROJECTED, UH, RATES, WE WOULD BE IN THE WHOLE $375,000, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A DEFICIT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THESE THINGS AND WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH.
'CAUSE WE TRANSFERRED THREE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONLY IN 24.
WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE DOING THAT IN 25.
WE DID, BUT WE DID HAVE TO DO THAT IN 24.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE RATES, UH, IS FOR FY 26, A SLIGHT INCREASE OF BASICALLY $2 ACROSS THE BOARD.
WE'VE, WE'VE CLOSED THE GAP ON THE SENIOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING RATE.
UH, WE, SO WE RAISED THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO CLOSE THAT DELTA.
WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN $23 DIFFERENCE.
UH, SO ONE THING WE'VE ALSO FOUND IS, WHAT WE FOUND WAS WHEN SOME OF THE SENIORS WERE CANCELING THEIR RECYCLING, THE RECYCLING AND GARBAGE DISCOUNT RATE WAS GREATER THAN THE GARBAGE ONLY RATE.
AND WE HAD TO GO IN AND MANIPULATE THAT DATA.
AND THAT MESSED UP OUR ACCOUNTING AND OUR, OUR CONTRACT.
WE HAD TO KIND OF CHANGE THE NUMBERS BECAUSE WHAT WE TOLD 'EM WAS, WELL, WE JUST, WE'LL COME AND PICK UP YOUR RECYCLING TOTE SINCE YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE IT.
BUT IT'S, THEY WERE IN OUR SYSTEM AS A SENIOR RATE, AND THAT WAS GARBAGE AND RECYCLING.
SO WE'VE ADJUSTED THE, THE RATE SOME.
SO IF THE SAME SENIOR WANTS TO NOT DO RECYCLING, WE WILL JUST MOVE THEM ONTO THE GARBAGE ONLY RATE, WHICH IS CHEAPER THAN THE SENIOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING RATE.
AND THAT'LL KEEP OUR ACCOUNTING STRAIGHT
OUR AUDITING WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER.
WE WON'T HAVE TO MANIPULATE ALL OF THOSE ACCOUNTS.
UH, IN THE PAST WE WERE TRYING TO PULL NUMBERS AND IT WAS, SO THIS THE SENIOR RATE, UH, PROPOSED FOR GARBAGE.
I MEAN, THE SENIOR RATE WOULD BE $52 FOR, FOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING.
AND IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT RECYCLING, THEY SAVE $2.
AND, BUT WE WERE, WE WERE, IT WAS AN ACCOUNTING NIGHTMARE TO, TO TRY TO TRACK THAT.
JUST FOR TWO, WELL, $2 TIMES 12, THAT'S $24.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM, YOU CAN GO DO EVERYTHING.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT A SENIOR, YOU'RE GONNA PAY 70 BUCKS.
SO WE'RE GIVING YOU, YOU'RE GETTING A CUT DEAL IF YOU'RE A SENIOR.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE RECYCLING, YOU SAVE TWO EXTRA BUCKS.
YOU'VE SAVED BASICALLY THE, THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS THAT WE, WE HAVE IS THE LOW INCOME, THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.
AND THAT IS ADJUSTED FOR, UH, IN ANNUALLY.
WHAT BASED, WHAT QUALIFIES AS, UH, IS THAT QUALIFIED? THAT'S THE SAME WHO FILE THE INCOME TAX FORMS. YES.
SO WHAT DOES THAT QUALIFY? SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS, WE USE THE HUD MODEL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE USED TO DO FOR THE TAX RELIEF AND ALL.
SO IF THEY QUALIFY FOR THAT, THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR THE LOW INCOME RATE FOR A SINGLE THAT'S ABOUT 26,000 LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, NOT JUST, I CAN REMEMBER WHAT A MINUTE.
WE'RE CUTTING ALL THE, I WILL TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS WE GOTTA BE AWARE OF WHEN WE, WE WERE BEING ALL GOOD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NOT LOAD UP THE SENIORS OR THE VETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA PICK UP THE LOAD AND WHAT'S GETTING DOWN TO, YOU JUST ALREADY HEARD ABOUT ALL THE 80 YEAR OLDS COMING IN HERE, AND NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASED BILLS.
SO WE IT'S GETTING, IT'S GETTING THE ADD UP.
THAT'S WHY I, I, I WANNA KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANNUALLY IS GOING THE COST OF LIVING.
AND THEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ALL THE TIME.
I THINK THE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME, I
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WANNA SAY THAT NUMBER WAS NOT THAT HIGH.IT WOULD NICE TO THE BOARD, YOU GUYS COULD GIVE THIS ALL LATER, BUT IT'S NICE TO THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO KNOW, PUT PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE ONLY THING WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS SOMEBODY LESS THAN, LESS THAN PUT AT LEAST SAY, SAY'S 70 YEARS OLD.
LET SEE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REGULAR RYAN.
DOES, DOES THAT PROPOSED? IT'S ABOUT 20 BUCKS.
DOES THAT PROPOSED FISCAL 26 GET US TO BRING AND A LOT OF SENIORS, SIR.
DOES THE FEES FOR PROPOSED FEES FOR 26, DOES THAT GET US TO BREAK? EXCEPT FOR THE 1, 2 20? NO, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BREAK US EVEN.
AND, AND THEN I'VE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION.
ACTUALLY IT'LL BE, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE MORE, IT'S ABOUT 3 96 CURRENT YEAR.
WE HAVE 172 LOW TO MODERATE INCOME TO GET THE DISCOUNT.
ONE PERSON FAMILY FOR A ONE PERSON FAMILY.
IT GOES UP FROM THERE AND THEN IT GOES UP FROM THERE.
SO FAMILY OF FOUR IS 50, FAMILY OF EIGHT IS 66,000.
IT'S ALREADY TEACHER SALARIES.
IT'S BASED ON A MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IN, IN YORK COUNTY.
WELL, IN THIS AREA, THIS AREA OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND 700.
SO WHAT WE HAVE, UM, WE WILL INCLUDE THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE FY 26 FEES.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, AND TO TRY TO SAVE COSTS WHERE WE CAN AND WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS.
WE DO HAVE, THOUGH, THIS IS THE LAST YEAR FOR THE CURBSIDE TRASH, UH, CONTRACT.
SO WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT OUT TO BID IN THE NEXT YEAR.
CURBSIDE CURBSIDE FOR THE GARBAGE.
SO WE WILL BE PUTTING THAT OUT TO BID IN THE NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'LL GO OUT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROCUREMENT AND WE WILL WORK ON, UH, THOSE STIPULATIONS AND THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ADJUST IN THE CONTRACT AND PUT IN THE CONTRACT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHEN IT GOES OUT FOR BID, THESE NUMBERS MIGHT NOT BE GOOD AT ALL.
AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE ARE MORE JUST LIKE LAST YEAR WHERE WHEN WE CAME TO THE BOARD AND SAID, THIS IS A ONE YEAR DEAL, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE YEAR DEAL.
BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE BIDS, AS YOU POINT OUT, THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT BE VALID NEXT YEAR.
BUT THIS WILL KEEP US FROM BEING $300,000.
THIS WILL KEEP US FROM RUNNING A DEFICIT NEXT YEAR, WE BELIEVE.
I MEAN, ENTERPRISE FUNDS SHOULD PROBABLY BE EVALUATED EVERY YEAR ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU JUST, YOU JUST WANT NOT TO BREAK EVEN.
SO IF IT NEEDS TO ADJUST UP OR D TO BREAK EVEN, THEN IT ADJUST UP OR DINE.
BECAUSE IF YOU START PULLING OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND NOW YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE GRABBING TAX DOLLARS.
PEOPLE WHO AREN'T PARTICIPATING IT, HAVING TO PAY FOR IT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, IN 2019 WHEN WE RAISED THE FEES AND WE SAID THAT WE WOULDN'T COME BACK FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT DUG US INTO ALL, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE OUR RESIDENTS TO, UM, FINANCIALLY TO, UM, RECYCLE CERTAIN PRODUCTS LIKE ALUMINUM CANS OR STEEL CANS OR, OR PAPER.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER AS I REMEMBER AS A KID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT SO MUCH PAPER, YOU COULD TAKE IT DOWN THERE AND YOU COULD GET A QUARTER OR SOMETHING FOR IT.
UM, BUT I, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE.
'CAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU'RE HURTING FOR MONEY AND IT'S COSTING MONEY, WELL THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME AVENUE TO ALLOW THEM TO.
I THINK THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIMS METAL ON, ON ROUTE 17 THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN TAKE ALUMINUM AND SCRAP DOWN.
WELL, IF THEY WANNA COME DOWN AND ROOT AROUND MY GARBAGE CAN, THEY COULD DO THAT TOO.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T, I, I'VE BEEN IN SOME LOCALITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GENTLEMEN THAT RIDE AROUND ON BIKES, ON RECYCLING BAGS LIKE CANS AND STUFF.
THIS WAS MORE SO WHEN YOU WERE, HAD THE BINS OUT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAD THE CONTAINERS, IT'S A LOT HARDER.
BUT WHEN THE BINS AND THEY WOULD RIDE AROUND AND THEY WOULD GET CANS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF, OUT OF, THEN WE TAKE THEM TO SEND DRAWER.
WELL, I, WE HAVE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T IF THE BOARD GOES ALONG WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST SOME AVENUE FOR GETTING SOME MONEY, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GET FOR ALUMINUM CANS NOWADAYS, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT SURE.
ARE WE FINISHED WITH THIS OR ARE WE STILL NO, WE'RE, WE ARE FINISHED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? SO, I MEAN, GOOD JOB OF WORKING AT THE, THE RATES THAT WOULD BREAK EVEN.
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IS GONNA BE WHERE ARE COST SAVINGS OPPORTUNITY? ESPECIALLY WE GO INTO A NEW, UM, NEW CONTRACT.I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT ON WAYS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION'S GOOD.
WE HAVEN'T HAD COMPETITION IN A WHILE.
SO THAT'S HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME MULTIPLE VENDORS OUT THERE.
BUT WE CAN LOOK AT FREQUENCIES OR SURE.
OR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT VARIATIONS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, FROM THE TEAM OVER, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR ON THINGS THEY SEE DAY TO DAY TO GO, HEY, IF WE DID THIS DIFFERENT, WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, X NUMBER OF DOLLARS A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, DOES THE BOARD WANNA DO THAT? THEN WE MAY, WE MAY SAY, YEAH, LET'S SAY THE MONEY OR, OR NOT.
BUT I, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE TRENCHES WHO YEAH.
WHAT ARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE CAN SAVE MONEY IN, IN, IN, UM, IN THE GARBAGE PICKUPS AND SO FORTH.
AND WE CAN BUILD THE CONTRACT OR, OR AT LEAST THE SOLICITATION WITH SOME OPTIONS AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, THOUGH, IF YOU GET TOO MANY OF THOSE, THEN IT GETS MUD.
BUT, BUT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, BUILD SOME THINGS IN THERE.
IF WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? YOU KNOW, DOES IT COST MORE, COST LESS? AND WE CAN BUILD SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN.
BUT WELL, THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO ON THE FLASH.
WHEN IS IT COMING UP FOR WHAT WE VOTE ON THIS? SO VOTE ON THE FEES WITH THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
SO ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS I'VE GOTTEN FROM SENIORS PARTICULARLY IS, CAN YOU REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PICKUPS PER MONTH? CAN WE GO TO HALF THE NUMBER OF RECYCLED, HALF THE NUMBER OF GARBAGE? AND WOULD THAT RESULT IN ANY KIND OF A DISCOUNT FOR JUST SENIORS OR FOR WELL SENIORS IS WHERE THAT'S A THAT'S AN ISSUE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF A ROUTE I'VE GOT HALF THE PEOPLE ON, YOU KNOW.
WELL, THAT'S A FOLLOW UP FOR YOU.
AND, UH, I COME FROM A COMMUNITY WHERE IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE SIX BINS OUT THERE.
ONE FOR PLASTICS, ONE FOR METAL, ONE FOR PAPER, ONE FOR CARDBOARD.
AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET TO, TO A EDUCATE AND B GET A BETTER CONTRACT DEAL, THEN I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING.
SO THAT'S THE RECYCLING CONTRACT.
AND CORRECT ME, THAT'S NOT THE ONE, THAT'S NOT THE CONTRACT, THAT'S NOT THE ONE THAT'S THE RECYCLING UP TO THIS TIME.
IT'S, IT IS THE SOLID WASTE TRASH PIECE.
SO THE RECYCLE DOESN'T GET CONSIDERED IN 27.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE YEARS LEFT ON THAT ONE
BUT, BUT DOUG, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKED THERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, IS THAT A POTENTIAL FOR SAVING MONEY OVERALL? WHAT IF INSTEAD OF EVERY WEEK YOU'VE PICKED UP EVERY OTHER WEEK TRASH RECYCLING RECYCLING'S ALREADY TWICE A WEEK, THAT'S RECYCLING.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT REGULAR TRASH.
YOU KNOW, YOU DOUBLE UP ON YOUR TRASH BINS, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU CUT THE PICKUPS IN HALF.
HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD THAT SAVE? THE COUNTY? HOW MUCH WOULD THAT DRIVE IN THE, THE ANNUAL RATE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
MATH TO WORK OUT AND GO, RIGHT.
DO WE WANT DO THAT OR NOT? IS THE MONEY SAVED WORTH IT? MAYBE IT IS.
BUT GARBAGE SITTING FOR TWO WEEKS IN, IT'S IN THE SUMMER SUN.
AND MAYBE ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS IS YOU DO THAT IN THE WINTERTIME.
IF YOU HAVE FISH OF THE GARBAGE OR CHICKEN ON DISPOSAL, IT MAY WORTH SO, YEAH.
AND, AND LORI'S GOT A POINT TOO.
AND, AND I KNOW OTHER LOCALITIES DO IT INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE BINS, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, SMALLER BINS.
SO I KNOW IN KOSIN THEY HAVE LIKE A 33 GALLON BIN THAT YOU COULD GET AND THE COST WAS REDUCED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN ONLY PUT SO TRASH IN IT.
SO YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT SIZE CONTAINERS.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO BE, TO LOOK AT.
I LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THEY ONLY PUT OUT ONE BAG OF GARBAGE.
AND I WILL LOOK TO MY, MY, MY, MY VENDORS DOING THE PICKUP.
YOU KNOW, OR ARE YOU RUNNING GOOD EQUIPMENT THAT DOESN'T COST YOU MUCH MONEY TO PASS THE SAVINGS ON US? OR YOU RUNNING OLD STUFF THAT BURNS A LOT OF DIESEL FUEL AND YOU HAVE BAD PRACTICES THAT, THAT COST YOU MORE MONEY AND YOU LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THAT.
ARE WE FINISHED WITH THIS TOPIC? YES MA'AM.
SO I, MR. ROWAN, I KNOW YOU WERE, UM, VERY INTERESTED IN THE RECYCLING, THE SAW THE WASTE BIPS AND THING MM-HMM
WE, WE, UM, WE HAVE SET ALL THOSE EXTRA MEETINGS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO GAUGE THE BOARD ON IS DO YOU WANT TO SET ONE OF OUR EXTRA MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE AND COME BACK TO YOU? OR YOU JUST WANNA LEAVE IT LAY? OR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE? WELL, I, I, UH, I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE THE, THE CONTRACT.
YOU'D COME BACK AND TELL US WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CONTRACT, AND YOU TALK TO HOW MANY, HOW MANY DIFFERENT COMPANIES, AND THEN LAY IT OUT FOR THE BOARD, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A WHOLE WORK SESSION ON IT.
THAT WON'T BE TILL NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT BUDGET, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
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OKAY.WELL, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN TONIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING THIS OUT HERE.
RIGHT? YEAH, I KNOW MR. ROW WAS INTERESTED IN THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN DIFFERENT THAN THIS CONVERSATION HERE.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE SEPARATE MEETINGS, THEN LET'S, LET'S GO FORWARD IT, IF YOU WANNA TRY AND INCLUDE IT.
BUT THE SA QUESTION, MAY I SAY SOMETHING THE QUE, COULD WE NOT DO THAT AFTER THE BUDGET? NO.
AND WE NEED, WE NEED TO SETTLE IT ON THIS BUDGET.
BUT WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT, WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE CHANGING ANYTHING.
WHY NOT? WHY NOT? IT'S BUDGET.
IT, IT, IT, I'M NOT TALKING, NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT SOLID WASTE.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UM, PROCEDURES AND OPERATIONS VSA.
WELL, THE BIPSA OPERATION CONTRACT, WHICH WE'RE UNDER, WHICH WE'RE UNDER, I'M NOT SURE YOU, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING US FOR A BUNCH OF MONEY THIS YEAR IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'VE GIVEN BEFORE.
SO DO, WHY, WHAT DO YOU NEED IT FOR? GIMME A BREAKDOWN.
BECAUSE AT THE, AT THE, SO KIND OF LITTLE GOING OUTSIDE THE RAILS ON, UH, ON OPERATIONS, RIGHT? THEN YOU TAKE A LOOK, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, THEY'RE ADVERTISING FOR MORE PEOPLE.
WELL, WHAT ARE THOSE MORE PEOPLE FOR WHAT? AND, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THAT.
SO I I IF WE, IF WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING ON THAT.
BUT WE, IF WE DO A WORK SESSION, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
BUT WE NEED TO WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND WHAT THE ASK IS, WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO AND WHETHER WE WANT TO FUND IT OR NOT.
SO TH THIS IS OUR, OUR AGREEMENT WITH BIPSA IS BY AGREEMENT.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO WHAT TO GIVE.
SO WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW BIPSA WORKS.
WE CAN BECOME BETTER EDUCATED ON THAT AND WHAT THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THEY HAVE TO OFFER.
BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CHANGE WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE.
BECAUSE IT MIGHT REQUIRE ALL 10 LOCALITIES THAT PARTICIPATE.
HAVE, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT HOW ALL 10 LOCALITIES HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT CONTRACT.
SO WHILE WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO SOMETHING, WE, WE HAVE TO GET EVERYONE ELSE TO VOTE ON THAT.
IT'S NOT, NOT IN THE VACUUM, BUT, SO I WANTED TO SET THE BAR THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE IN THIS BUDGET YEAR.
WE NEED TO HAVE TALK, WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION STARTED AT SOME POINT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE CARRYING THE LION SHARE OF ALL THAT.
SO I, I, I THINK WHAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE, SAY OCCURS AND WEIGHT.
SO, AND MY MY POINT IS, SINCE WE CAN'T SOLVE IT FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR, DO IT AFTER WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, BECAUSE IT'LL BE FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE ALL THAT TIME.
WELL, I'D BE CURIOUS WHAT WE COULD DO FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR.
I'M, BUT I, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND MORE.
I'M NOT SURE IF, IF WE ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED.
I THINK WE ARE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR MORE AS WELL.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE MORE THIS BUDGET, ARE THEY ASKING FOR MORE FOR THIS YEAR? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT.
YES, THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL COURSE.
AND WHAT DO THEY SAY THEY WANTED IT FOR? THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WELL, THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT HE'S WORKING ON.
WELL, SOME OF THAT IS THE ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE CONSUMER COST LIVING INCREASE COST.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT ONE WE CAN'T DEAL WITH.
WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? CONSUMER PRICE.
ANY OTHER REASON? I MEAN, WE CAN'T DEAL WITH ANY CAN.
CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS WHAT DRIVES THEIR COST INCREASE EACH YEAR.
ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS HAVE A, A CONSUMER PRICE.
ALL OF THE CONTRACTS HAVE A CONSUMER PRICE INDEX ESCALATOR EACH YEAR.
AND THEY'RE CAPPED AT A, AT 4.5%.
BUT JUST ABOUT EVERY CONTRACT WE HAVE HAS THAT IN IT.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL OF THE EXTRA.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, THAT'S THE TOTAL OF THE INCREASE THAT THEY'RE ASKING.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST, WE DON'T HAVE JUST ONE BUDGET WITH VSA.
WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTIONS.
WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR OPERATION OPERATING THE COMPOST FACILITY.
WE HAVE A BUDGET FOR EVERY VSA PROGRAM THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN BUDGET.
BUT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS.
SOME OF THEM HAVE SERVICE AGREEMENTS, SOME OF THEM HAVE A CONTRACT.
CURBSIDE RECYCLING IS A CONTRACT.
UH, HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTIONS IS A SERVICE AGREEMENT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS WHY I'M THINKING WE NEED TO COME BACK ON.
IT'S VERY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.
SO, SO I, I DON'T WANNA BOIL THE OCEAN.
SO I LIKE, I, LET'S FOCUS ON THE COMPOSTING OKAY.
AND LET'S, LET'S WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND THAT.
WHAT'S THE INCREASE THERE? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? ONE OF THE BIGGEST INCREASES THAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH VS A IS THE COMPOST FACILITY OPERATIONS.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OTHER LOCALITIES PARTICIPATE LESS.
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US WITH A BIGGER PIECE OF THE PIE.AND WE GET BILLED ACCORDING TO THE, THE LOCAL, THE PARTICIPATION FROM EACH LOCALITY.
KOSIN IS DOING SOMETHING ELSE NOW.
SO THEY'RE NOT BRINGING AS MUCH MATERIAL.
HAMPTON IS DOING SOMETHING ELSE NOW.
SO THEY'RE NOT BRINGING AS MUCH MATERIAL.
SO WE HAVE A BIGGER PIECE OF THE PIE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS US TO PARTICIPATE.
E EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BRINGING THE SAME BASIC AMOUNT OF STUFF OURSELVES, THE THE ACTUAL HASN A CHANGED YES.
BUT PERCENTAGE HAS PERCENTAGE AND OUR COST GOES UP.
WHICH I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT.
YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE IT LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WE NEED TO DO.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE LOOKING OR WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE COMPOSTING OPERATION WITH FIPS A AND FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET? WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? BREAK THAT DOWN FOR ME.
HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO.
I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THAT IS, IS, IS SUPER PRICE INDEX RAISE? HOW MUCH IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE PERCENTAGE OR HOW MUCH IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE HIRING TWO MORE PEOPLE? WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
I THINK IF, IF YOU COULD DO A, A SHEET OF PAPER WITH THE NUMBERS ACROSS IT, WE CAN, CAN GET, WE HAVE ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ON IT.
WE'LL HAVE, HAVE THE INFORMATION HANDED TO US IN A WAY WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
START, WE CAN START WITH THAT.
IS THAT OKAY? MAKE SURE THEY INCLUDE EQUIPMENT PURCHASES TOO.
IT'S JUST LIKE ONE OF OUR OPERATING BUDGETS.
THEY HAVE, THEY PAY SALARIES, THEY HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LORI, ONE OF OUR BIG CONCERNS OKAY.
IS THAT THEY'VE GONE BEYOND WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL CHARTER WAS TO DO.
THEY'VE GOTTEN INTO ALMOST A RETAIL OPERATION.
AND THAT NEEDS A, WE NEED TO, WE NEED, SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND SUPPORT RETAIL OPERATIONS.
SO IF THEY'RE BUYING, IF THEY'RE BUYING MORE PEOPLE AND MORE EQUIPMENT, THEN WE GOT ANOTHER DEAL.
I DEAL WITH, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TO MAKE OUR SERVICE WORK TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
WHY ARE WE SELLING RED MULCH? OKAY.
WHY ARE WE DOING CRAP LIKE THAT? THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS WHOLE PROGRAM WAS MADE TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IN FACT, IT WAS GONE WAY BEYOND WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO THAT'S, AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING CORNERS TO TRY TO SAVE AND SAVE MONEY, NOT HAVE TO RAISE OUR TAXES.
SO EVERYTHING WE DOING IN HERE, WE, ESPECIALLY BIG ITEMS, CONTRIBUTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
WELL WE, WE CAN GATHER THAT INFORMATION UP AND THEN SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM.
ANYTHING, UM, THAT I WANNA BRING UP, THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD, GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
UM, THE FIASCO THAT WE HAD WITH THE TRASH PICKUP DURING THE SNOW, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WAS A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE ON OUR CONTRACTOR.
AND I THINK WE CERTAINLY GOT THE SHORT IMAGE OF STICK ON THAT.
AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CONTRACTUALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.
THAT'S A BAD DEAL FOR YORK COUNTY.
THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE ON THIS NEXT CONTRACT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THERE PEOPLE HAD TRASH SITTING ON THEIR SIDES OF THEIR HOUSE FOR TWO WEEKS THAT ANIMALS WERE GETTING IN.
THEN THEY WERE TOLD, YOU CAN PUT BAGS BESIDE YOUR CAN OR WE'LL BRING ANOTHER CAN OUT.
THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE FOR YOUR COUNTY.
AND THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
WE SHOULD HAVE HELD THAT CONTRACTOR'S FEET TO THE FIRE TO SAY, YOU GONNA HAVE TO WORK OVERTIME OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO.
'CAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE HOUSED THEIR GARBAGE IN OUR GARBAGE CANS.
I DID BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF 'EM.
AND THE COMPANY WALKED AWAY FROM THEIR OBLIGATION TO US, YET WE'RE PAYING THEM FOR SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T DO.
AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO OUR TAXPAYERS AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BACK AND FORTH EMAIL WITH MARK ABOUT HOW DO WE GIVE PEOPLE A DISCOUNT AND IT'S, IT'S A FIAS BECAUSE DOING THAT, IS IT GOING TO COST MORE TO GIVE OUR CONSTITUENTS A DISCOUNT WHEN THEY REALLY DESERVE A DISCOUNT.
BUT YET, IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT RIGMAROLE, IT'S GONNA COST US MORE THAN WHAT THE DISCOUNT WOULD BE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
SO WE ARE CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT WAS NOT WRITTEN CORRECTLY AND IT DOESN'T HOLD THAT CONTRACTOR'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THIS NEW, THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED IN THIS NEW CONTRACT.
I THINK A BIG PAIN POINT THERE WAS ON THURSDAY, A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE GOT UP AND DROVE, DROVE TO WORK.
AND WHEN THEY HEARD THAT THE TRUCKS COULDN'T GET TO THEIR HOUSES WHEN THEY DROVE OUT.
IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, I CAN MAKE IT OUT.
DEPENDS WHERE THEY WORK AND WHAT ROADS YOU UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND YOU GOT BIG TRUCKS AND CARS, BUT OKAY.
STILL, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WAS THE PAIN POINT.
IF EVERYBODY, IF EVERYBODY SNOWED IN, EVERYBODY SNOWED IN.
I I MEAN THAT'S NATURE, FORCED NATURE.
THEY HAD A WHOLE WEEKEND TO CATCH UP
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AND THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S THE FACT OF THE MATTER.
YOU
AND THEN WE PAID THEM THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD'VE PAID THEM HAD THEY PICKED IT UP.
AT ANY RATE, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE, BUT I WANNA MOVE ON TO THE CIP IF POSSIBLE.
THIS IS SO WE CAN'T READ IT IN ADVANCE.
[3* Capital Improvement Program Presentation. Mark L. Bellamy, Jr., County Administrator. ]
WE, WE WANTED TO, UH, COME BACK TO YOU ALL WITH AN UPDATE ON THE CIPI ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THE CIP TO YOU BACK IN EARLY DECEMBER.WE GAVE YOU ALL A LITTLE TIME TO MULL OVER IT.
UH, WE WAITED UNTIL YOUR RETREAT, THE END OF JANUARY THERE AND WE HAD A VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION, I THINK ABOUT THE CIP THAT WAS FACTS, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW THE FIRST FOUR, THE FIRST FEW SLIDES ARE JUST A REVIEW OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
AND THEN I WANTED TO TALK WITH Y'ALL ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO DO AND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE.
AND THEN CHECK YOUR PULSE AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAD THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE CIP.
SO AS I SAID, THIS IS THE CIP AS IT WAS PRESENTED, UH, BACK IN, UH, DECEMBER.
OVER THE TOTAL SIX YEARS, IT'S $226 MILLION IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT INCLUDES THE SCHOOLS.
REMEMBER THOUGH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PLAN, ONLY YEAR ONE IS WHAT YOU'RE FUNDING THROUGH THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OVER THE COURSE OF THAT SIX YEARS.
MARK, MARK, REAL QUICK, CAN YOU TELL US, I, I, I SEE THIS NU LARGE NUMBER 226,000, BUT IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S 2 MILLION, MILLION, RIGHT? MILLION.
WHICH PAGE? JUST FIRST, SECOND.
IF YOU JUST LOOK, THERE'S TWO ITEMS ON THERE THAT TAKE 150 MILLION OKAY.
SO I JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT IS IN PUBLIC WORKS FOR $59 MILLION.
IS THERE ONE BIG ITEM IN THERE? UH, PUBLIC WORKS WOULD, I DON'T HAVE THE CIP UH, IN FRONT OF ME EXACTLY, BUT, UH, JUST IN GENERAL, THAT WOULD INCLUDE BUILDINGS, LIGHT FOOT, NO LIGHT FOOT ROAD.
AND WE, IT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE UM, WEISS PARTNER WORK? NO, THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE OTHER FARM.
I JUST WANT OKAY, WELL, I WELL, I'LL LOOK IT UP.
A HUNDRED TWENTY TWO HUNDRED TWENTY 6 MILLION.
WE KNOW THAT SCHOOL'S GOT THAT $48 MILLION FOR ONE, ONE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT OKAY.
I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMETHING MIGHT, MIGHT HELP US, BUT ALRIGHT, I'LL LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR NOW.
SO THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT HOW IT GETS PAID FOR WHETHER IT'S CASH, WHETHER IT'S DEBT, PROFFERS GRANTS, ET CETERA.
SO THE TOP SECTION IS GENERAL FUND, THE 200 MILLION, UH, PROJECTS.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM SECTION IS ALL THOSE ENTERPRISE AND INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.
THIS IS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO YOU.
AND WHEN YOU SAY THESE PROJECTS, SO THE ENTERPRISE AND THE CIP, THAT'S THE WAY WHY, WHY, WHY AREN'T WE PUTTING THOSE IN THE CIP UNLESS IT'S A PROJECT.
IS THE CIP ONE YEAR MONEY? IT'S THE CIP IS A SIX YEAR PLAN.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE YEAR.
WE'RE ONLY GONNA AUTHORIZE WHEN YOU VOTE ON THE BUDGET.
YOU'LL ONLY BE AUTHORIZING YEAR ONE.
BUT I MEAN, AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IT THAT WE HAVE, WE GO TO THESE ENTER ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH ARE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU SAID, I THINK IS WHAT YOU SAID.
THIS 40 MILLION, THIS IS HOW THEY'RE PAID FOR.
AND THIS IS FUNDING SOURCES AT THE BOTTOM.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT STATED AS AN ENTERPRISE.
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CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AT THE RETREAT TALKING ABOUT OUR DEBT POLICY.THIS BOARD POLICY 1426, UH, ASKED THE BOARD TO ANNUALLY REVIEW OUR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES.
AND SO WE TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THE BOARD RETREAT TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE TWO, UH, POLICIES THAT WE LIKE TO ADHERE TO ARE THE ONES THAT WE USE ARE THE ONE THAT'S GENERAL FUNDS SUPPORTED DEBT PRINCIPLE WILL NOT EXCEED 3% OF THE NET ASSESSED VALUE OF TAXABLE PROPERTY.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS 10% THAT OUR DEBT PAYMENT WILL NOT EXCEED 10% OF THE BUDGET.
GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, NINE POINT SOMETHING.
BUT AT THE RETREAT, WE ASKED YOU TO LOOK AT THAT SECOND, THAT LAST ONE YOU DID.
AND, AND WHO SHOULD WE CONSIDER SOMETHING OTHER THAN 10% IN THE FUTURE? CORRECT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
I HAVE A SLIDE THAT'S JUST BOARD DISCUSSIONS AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN ADD.
SO YOU THINKING HIGHER OR LOWER? WELL, WE LOOKED AT CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND JCC AND THEY WERE BOTH AT 12.
THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT UP IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
AND WE, AND SINCE WE WERE GETTING SO CLOSE TO ONE PARTICULAR YEAR, I THINK WE WERE IN 9 37.
SHOULD WE BE RAISING OUR UPPER LIMIT? OKAY.
SO THE CONCERN WOULD BE OVER OUR BOND RATING.
I'M NOT GONNA RAISE IT, SHEILA.
WE NOT, YOU MAY NOT RAISE IT, BUT WE DON'T WHAT THE HELL THE BOARD'S GONNA DO YET.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO GO PAST THE 10%.
WE ALL AGREED THAT 10% WAS A GOOD NUMBER TO HOLD.
WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GOING ABOVE IT YET.
BUT I MEAN WE, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT DOING THAT SOMEWHERE MIDYEAR? I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU COULD ALWAYS SET IN YOUR POLICY EVERY YEAR, RIGHT? OR ANY TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THIS YEAR.
IT WAS A, THE QUESTION WAS A LOOK AHEAD.
DO WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING IN OUR SIX YEAR PLAN OR SIX YEAR WINDOW? I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH IT.
YOU WERE SEEING SOMETHING I WASN'T SEE IN ABOUT MIDYEAR.
AND MR. ROY, IF YOU, IF YOU RECALL, UH, WHAT PFM TALKED ABOUT WAS YOU COULD RAISE IT TO SAY 12%, BUT THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT OFFSETTING IT BY ADDING, UH, ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO OUR 12% RESERVE.
SO, AND, AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT US AS LONG AS WE HAD SOME OFFSET THERE.
SO WHAT'S THAT RESERVE NOW? UH, THERE, SUSAN? 12.
12%, YOU KNOW, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
SO WE WOULD OFFSET IT BY ADDING MORE.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO ADD MORE TO OUR FUND BALANCE.
WE SUGGESTED THAT IT CAN RAISE BALANCE THAT YOU NEED TO RAISE THAT 12% IF WE BUMP THAT 10 TO 12 AND WE'D HAVE THAT EXTRA CASH CAPITAL ON HAND THAT WE SHOULD NEED IT IN THIS SLIDE.
WE MADE THE CALCULATIONS ON BOTH OF THOSE POLICIES SO THAT YOU COULD SEE WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND SEE WHERE IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE CIP AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, WHERE WE WOULD END UP AND, AND THERE'S SOME ASSUMPTIONS, UH, FOR THE FY 31, BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR IN ADVANCE, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT GROWTH AND, UH, TAXABLE PROPERTY, ET CETERA, AND WHAT THE GENERAL FUND WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO THERE ARE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE MADE THERE, BUT THEY'RE VERY CONSERVATIVE.
HERE IT IS IN JUST A LINE FORM SO YOU CAN GET AN IDEA.
THE MOST RECENT, UH, CALCULATION ON THE LEFT FOR 2025, MOVING TO THE RIGHT IS 2031.
SO BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL CIP, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, IN LINE GRAPH.
SO WE, UH, TALKED, AS I SAID AT THE RETREAT ABOUT MAKING SOME CHANGES.
SO HERE'S UH, UH, I HAVE TWO SLIDES I BELIEVE THAT ARE LIST OF CHANGES THAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE MADE.
UH, WE MOVED THE FIRING RANGE PROJECT OUTTA THE CIP.
IT IS A, WE GET MONEY FROM THE HAMPTON ROADS CRIMINAL JUSTICE TRAINING ACADEMY, UH, $25,000 A YEAR.
YOU COULD ARGUE WHETHER IT REALLY DESERVED TO BE IN THE CIP EVER AT ALL.
IT IS A NOMINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, JUST TO KEEP THINGS A LITTLE CLEANER.
WE DECIDED THAT PROBABLY FROM AN ACCOUNTING STANDPOINT PROBABLY BE BETTER TO MOVE IT OUT.
SO THE FIRING RANGE, AND IT'S NOT OUR MONEY, IT'S MONEY THAT'S, THAT'S GIVEN TO US FOR THE ABILITY TO USE THAT, THAT FACILITY ALSO IN THE CIP WAS THE SHERIFF HAD ASKED ABOUT HAVING AN ARMORED VEHICLE.
UH, WE CHANGED THE FUNDING SOURCE TO, RATHER THAN USING COUNTY FUNDS, UH, TO ALLOW THAT PURCHASE
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WITH A GRANT OR PROFFER OR OTHER, AND OTHER MIGHT BE AN ASSET FORFEITURE WHERE, UH, THE SHERIFF RECEIVES MONEY FROM, UH, UH, SOME KIND OF DRUG OPERATION.WHAT YEAR AND WHAT YEAR IS THAT COMING OUT OF? UH, I DO NOT KNOW THE YEAR.
WHERE WERE THE PROFFER COME FROM? THAT'S JUST ONE POSSIBILITY.
IT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT WHERE WOULD IT COME FROM? YEAH, WHO WOULD, YEAH, WHO WOULD OFFER THAT PROFFER? WHAT'S YOUR VISION THERE? IT COULD BE A DONATION.
THERE'S JUST KIND OF GROUP OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AND TO GRANT PROFFERS AND OTHER, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PROBABLY THINK IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO A GRANT PROBABLY FOR THIS PROJECT, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IT'S KIND OF THE, THE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES PREVIOUS ARMORED VEHICLE WE HAD WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOK WHAT WE BE LOOKING AT HERE.
UH, WE BELIEVE ASSET FORFEITURE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
NO, I'M, I'M AT TYPE OF VEHICLE.
DO ANY VISION THERE? I DO NOT.
I WOULD WANNA DEFER TO THE SHERIFF.
I WOULDN'T WANNA A SPEAK DOWN VERSION.
IT IS A SCALE DOWN VERSION OF WHAT WE HAD MUCH SCALED DOWN.
SO, UH, BUILDING RENOVATION OR REPLACEMENT STUDY.
UH, WE ADDED $500,000 AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD.
YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE DOCK MASTER.
I SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THAT, DIDN'T I? YEAH, YEAH.
YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT.
I DID, UH, THE DOCK MASTER AND WATERFRONT OPERATIONS BUILDING, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLAN TO, UH, NOT BUILD THAT SECOND BUILDING AND MOVE THE OPERATIONS FOLKS, UH, INTO THE POST OFFICE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US RIGHT HERE.
AND TO DO THAT, TO FACILITATE THAT, IT WILL REQUIRE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A, IT BUILDING FOR MR. WYATT, HIS STAFF.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
THAT IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CIP.
UM, ADDING $500,000 FOR, UH, DESIGN OF WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THE SPACE STUDY.
THAT HAS BEEN ASKED FOR, UH, ALONG WITH THE JUDGE AND A FEW OTHER FOLKS HAVE ASKED FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO, CAPITAL SURPLUS, WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL THAT WE CARRIED FORWARD TO THE CIP BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROJECTING A SMALLER SURPLUS THAN NORMAL FOR 25.
SO WE CANNOT TRANSFER THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO WE'VE REDUCED THAT BY $2 MILLION.
UH, THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE HEAVY TRUCK FACILITY, THE SPACE STUDY, WE'RE GONNA ROLL THAT INTO THE SPACE STUDY THAT WE HAVE IN THE OTHER CIP LINE ITEM.
SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS WELL.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS COST AFTER WE, WE GET A REVIEW ABOUT THIS.
UH, YOUR CALL WAS ALSO IN THE CIP MM-HMM
AND WE HAD A, A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE REDUCED THE AMOUNT, UH, AND MOVED IT OUT ONE YEAR AS WELL BASED ON THE BOARD'S DESIRES, THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY.
THERE HAS BEEN CONVERSATION IN YEARS PAST ABOUT MAKING A CIP CONTRIBUTION TO A NEW LIBRARY.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A, UH, A LIVELY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE OR WHETHER WE ACTUALLY DO THAT OR NOT.
SO, AND I'M STRUGGLING THOUGH WITH THE WORDS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT THIS, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO, UM, WILLIAMSBURG JCC SITUATION.
RIGHT? WE HAVE NO REFERENCE TO LEAVING THE REGIONAL LIBRARY CONTRACT.
SO WE WOULD LOCK CAPITAL IN, BUT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE YES, SIR.
OUR OWN LIBRARY RATHER THAN THE REGIONAL LIBRARY.
AND WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE WAS A NEGOTIATION TAKE PLACE.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE A THIRD LIBRARY ADDED TO JCC WILLIAMSBURG.
AND SUDDENLY WE'RE PAYING THE OPERATIONS COST OF THREE LIBRARIES INSTEAD OF TWO.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE WAS TWO DIRECTIONS GIVEN.
ONE WAS LEAVE FUNDING IN, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE NEED A LIBRARY, WHETHER IT'S UTILIZING WILLIAMSBURG OR UTILIZING OUR OWN MM-HMM
WE STILL NEED A LIBRARY IN THE UPPER DISTRICT.
WHAT WE WANTED WAS TO TAKE A HARD LINE OR A HARD LOOK AT A REGIONAL LIBRARY CONTRACT AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO, TO SATISFY OURSELVES THAT WE'RE GETTING A FAIR DEAL AND NOT GETTING HOOK LINE AND SINKERED INTO A MUCH BIGGER COST IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A GRAHAM THAT'S SO
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CAN WE BRING THAT ONE BACK IN A MEETING, I THINK, AND WITH, UH, WITH THE, LIKE THE OTHER BITS AND PIECES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COVER LIKE TWO OF THOSE.I MEAN, I THINK THE LIBRARY, THE, THIS, THIS, THIS CONTRACT WE'VE GOT WITH THE LIBRARY IS KIND OF GETTING MOLDY.
AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE JUST NEED TO RE-LOOK AT IT BECAUSE NEW, AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I JUST HAD A HELL OF A CONVERSATION WITH MY WIFE, WHO IS A BIG LIBRARY PERSON ABOUT THESE NEW EBOOKS AND ALL THIS AND THE COSTS.
AND I THINK WE'RE, WE, PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE STILL THINKING OF A LIBRARY IN THE SIXTIES.
WHEN, WHEN IT'S NEW LIBRARIES WAY DIFFERENT.
SO I, I LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK IN AND LISTERS REALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A, A DEEP LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT COULD, I THINK THAT COULD BE A SOURCE OF SAVING US MONEY YEARS OUT.
AND BRIAN AND SUSAN AND I MET WITH, UH, SANDY TOWERS, UH, FROM THE SBO REGION LIBRARY LAST, WAS IT LAST WEEK.
UH, IT HAD A VERY FRANK CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE THOUGHT THE BOARD WAS THAT, AND, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO LEAVE THE AGREEMENT.
WE, WE NEED A BETTER AGREEMENT, BUT WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO LEAVE THEIR SERVICES AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS, JUST DON'T JUMP OUT THERE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IF I CAN GET A BETTER DEAL, WE CAN SAVE PEOPLE MONEY.
AND THEY, AND THEY UNDERSTAND OUR EXPECTATION.
AND I, I THINK SANDY IS READY TO WORK WITH US.
SO LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I WAS REACTING TO THE, THE WORD REPLACE AND THAT THAT WAS TOO STRONG.
RIGHT? SO JUST LIKE, UH, THE VS A CONTRACT, ANY CHANGE IN OUR FUNDING FORMULA WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON BY WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.
SO THEY WILL HAVE TO AGREE TO, IT'LL NOT BE THE LIBRARY BOARD.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU DON'T MAKE THE DECISION ON THAT.
AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO INITIATE A SCHOOL TYPE DECISION.
AND SO, UH, THE LAST ITEM DOWN THERE IS AN INCREASE, UH, FOR THE, NO, NO, LIGHTFOOT.
WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND ON TIME.
SO I WAS HOPING PROJECT, SO HOW WAS THE PROJECT WHERE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT RECONFIGURING THE INTERSECTION, UH, UP IN MR. ROY'S DISTRICT? THE INTERSECTION OF LIGHTFOOT ROAD.
MOTOWN ROAD, UM, IT'S AT THE, IT'S 1 99 CROSSES OVER THE TOP OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, WALMART AND SEVERAL OTHER BIG BOX STORES ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY HEAVILY TRAVELED AREA.
AND WHEN WE BELIEVED, WE HAD A DEVELOPER THAT WAS LOOKING AT 300 ACRES OF THE POTTERY PROPERTY, THE IDEA WAS, IS THAT WE WERE GONNA MAKE SOME INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS WITH A STATE GRANT, SOME COUNTY MONEY, AND SOME MONEY FROM THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL.
AND SO THAT HAS BEEN SITTING IN THE CIP, BUT IT APPEARS THERE'S BEEN NO MOVEMENT ON THAT IN A YEAR, TWO YEARS.
UH, SO IT APPEARS THAT THAT IS PRO IN THE, THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE BACKED ALL THE COUNTY MONEY OUT OF IT, BACKED THE DEVELOPER MONEY OUT OF IT AND LEFT IT IN THERE AS A PROJECT, BUT ONLY WITH GRANT FUNDS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.
QUESTION 31, CAN'T WE, CAN'T WE ALSO LOOK AT MAYBE SOME, UM, MONEY THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF A TPO? WE HAVE LOOKED AT STATE FUNDS TWICE AND BEEN TURNED DOWN BOTH TIMES.
I MEAN, YOU KEEP TRYING, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN MAYBE THIRD TIMES A CHARM.
IT'S, IT'S A CATEGORY OR CATEGORY FIVE INTERSECTION.
SO IT EVENTUALLY IS GONNA HAVE TO GET APPROVED.
BIG MONEY'S GONNA COME OUTTA TPO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME OUTTA THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY EXPENSIVE.
AND SO THE LAST ITEM, UH, IS AN INCREASE TO THE IT BUILDING CONSTRUCTION OF $500,000.
WELL, I I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE ENGINEERING.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WITH THE SCHOOL CAPITAL.
WE CLEARLY TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT SCHOOL CAPITAL ON THAT DAY AT THE, IT'S ON IT.
AND YES SIR, YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT IT IS ON OUR DISCUSSION SHEET BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD ANY INSTRUCTION.
THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT.
BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY GIVEN ANY GUIDANCE ABOUT ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE HERE.
SO IT IS IN OUR DISCUSSION, WE PLAN, WE, WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TONIGHT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
BUT WE SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO TALK
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ABOUT THAT.I JUST, TO NOT HAVE IT ON THE LIST WAS YES, SIR.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THIS LIST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GIVEN SPECIFIC GUIDANCE ON IT.
SO THIS, UH, IS THAT EARLIER CHART WITH ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS ON IT, THE DECREASES.
SO WITH ALL THOSE THINGS, IT CUT ANOTHER $11 MILLION OFF OF THE GENERAL FUND, CIP, SO THAT TO HELP US WITH OUR, UH, FINANCIAL RATIOS, THAT THAT'S A BIG HELP.
NOW IN 26, HERE'S A LOOK AT THAT SAME SLIDE, BUT IN 26, IT DOESN'T DO A LOT FOR US IN 26, BUT IF YOU LOOK BACK, IT DOES $11 MILLION WORTH OF DECREASES OVER THE SIX YEAR PERIOD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FLIP BACK AND FORTH FOR YOU HERE JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SO AGAIN, NOT A LOT OF CHANGE IN 26, BUT OVERALL A SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BASED ON YOUR INPUT.
SO THAT 10% RATIO OF GENERAL FUND REVENUE, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT $11 MILLION OUT, IT DOES KNOCK THIS NUMBER DOWN.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU CAN TAKE SOME SOLACE IN THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT THERE.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INCURRING AS MUCH DEBT.
AND SO THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS, UH, ALL ABOUT THE BOARD DISCUSSION AND, UH, MRS. NOLL WHERE, WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE TO START
MAYBE WE GET THAT OFF THE TABLE IF YOU LIKE.
MR. HO'S ASK ABOUT TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND, UM, CURRENT BUDGET ADDS UP TO 46 MILLION, INCLUDING WHAT WE ALREADY HAD IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.
LAST WHAT WE HAD IN THE 25 BUDGET PLUS 26 PLUS ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF, I THINK IT WAS IN 28, TO DO THE SOLAR.
UM, I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GET TO 46 MILLION IF YOU'RE NOT ADDING SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS, ET CETERA.
AND IF, IF ALL WE'RE DOING IS GEOTHERMAL, IT DOESN'T FIT FOR ME.
THAT'S THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING.
I THINK YOU, YOU PROVIDED ME THE NUMBERS ON THE COST OF THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING FOR GEOTHERMAL, IT WAS 3.8 MILLION.
SO I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GET ANYWHERE INTO THE 40 MILLION RANGE FOR WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY AN HVAC PROJECT, A GEOTHERMAL PROJECT, AND, AND A SECURITY FESTIVAL AT THE FRONT OF THE, UH, HERE'S, HERE'S A BREAKDOWN ON THE PROJECT LIST.
AND ALSO A, UM, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE COPY TIMING.
I I HAVE THEM, BUT I HAVE A PILE OF STUFF OVER HERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE TOLD, SO WE NEED TO BE FRUGAL.
OUR COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION AND THE, AND THE BOARD, WE'VE PULLED 11 MILLION OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
THAT'S THAT MORE THAN ONE SINGLE COPY.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN SEND THAT OUT AFTER IT'S MEETING, RIGHT? YEAH.
DOESN'T DO US IN A GOOD RIGHT NOW, THOUGH.
THERE'S NOT NOTHING FOR EVERYBODY.
NO ONE'S EXPLAINED TO ME THE ISSUE WITH, I MEAN, I GET, I GET, UH, DR.
SHANDOR COMES UP AND I TALK TO HIM.
GOT LISTS OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT I NEVER SAW, I I, IT'S THERE.
I'VE GOT THE, I GOT CIP AT THE HOUSE, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE ISSUE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
SO YOUR ISSUE IS THAT IT DOESN'T, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING DOESN'T ADD UP TO 48 MILLION.
DOESN'T, DOESN'T PASS THE BOLTON BOARD TEST.
POSSIBLY GET TO $46 MILLION 48 WITH WHAT'S LISTED THERE.
IT DUG TO YOUR POINT IN 2027, THE GEOTHERMAL AND ELECTRICAL UPGRADE IS 17, ALMOST $17 MILLION.
AND WE'VE ALREADY SPENT A FAIR BIT ON ALL THE EXPLORATORY WELLS PLUS WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IN THE CURRENT YEAR.
AND, AND IT WAS 3.8 FOR THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING.
IT'S 17 ALMOST PLUS WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, WELL, WE 20 TO, TO ME THE LOGICAL THING WOULD BE TO INVITE, UH, YOUR FINANCE GUY FROM SCHOOL COME OVER AND EXPLAIN IT TO US.
WE, WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT AT THE RETREAT.
WELL, THEY, THAT WAS OVER AND EXPLAIN IT TO US.
WELL, I THINK THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
I STILL HUNG UP ON THAT 40%, UH, UH, THAT THEY CONTINGENCY, WHICH THEY, THEY'VE ADDRESSED.
I THOUGHT THEY ADDRESSED, THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A PAPER THAT CAME OUT.
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SAID IT WAS INCORRECT NUMBERS, BUT IF IT, IF IT MIGHT HELP.UM, I DID SPEAK WITH, UM, THE, THE SCHOOL TEAM ABOUT TAB.
THEY ARE A LOT CLOSER TO HAVING MORE UPDATED ESTIMATES.
UM, THEY'RE NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT FOR THE A AND E PORTION OF THE RENOVATIONS.
AND SO WITH THIS CHART, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF PUT TOGETHER FOR ME AND MARK TO LOOK AT WAS, UM, ALL THE PIECES.
SO THEY HAVE ALREADY DESIGNED THE GEOTHERMAL PORTION THAT CONTRACT'S READY TO GO FOR THOSE WELLS TO BE DUG.
THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING ON THAT SOON.
UM, THE NEXT PIECE IS THE LED LIGHTING.
THEY'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THAT.
SO THOSE TWO DESIGNS HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED AND THEY'RE READY TO MOVE.
THE BIG PIECE THAT'S LEFT IS THE REST OF THE RENOVATIONS, WHICH INCLUDE THE, THE GYM ENTRANCE, THE NEW FRONT ENTRANCE, THE MEDIA CENTER, THE KIVA, THE RESTROOM RENOVATIONS, NEW METAL SIDING AND ROOFING, AND TYING THE GEOTHERMAL WELLS INTO THE CURRENT HVAC SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG $16 MILLION PIECE COMES FROM THE HVAC REPLACEMENT AND TYING THAT INTO THE, SO THIS NEW, UM, HOW ABOUT THE SILVER? THIS IS THE NEW KIVA, THE NEW KIVA THING.
IT'S NOT IN THAT, UH, THIS, THIS, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE KIVA.
IT WAS LIKE THEY DID A GRAFTING AND I THINK THEY GAVE BRUTON ALSO.
I MEAN, AT LEAST I HAVE MY MIND WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND, UM, IS IT, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, IS IT SOME EXTRAORDINARY COST FOR THIS? WELL, UH, THE BIGGEST COST ON HERE IS, IS THE GEOTHERMAL ELECTRICAL UPGRADE.
SO WHAT'S SO, BUT THE OTHER PIECES ARE, UH, LET'S SEE, 6 MILLION FOR THE NEW FRONT ENTRANCE.
6 MILLION FOR THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
THAT'S THE NEW SECURITY ENTRANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY'RE BUILDING THE NEW ENTRANCE AND THEN, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND 6 MILLION CLEAN UP.
WHAT THEY'VE, UM, OKAY, LET ME ASK, LEMME ASK QUESTION THIS WAY.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANY ONE OF THESE CONTRACTS.
WELL, AND I MAY NOT BE DOING THEM JUSTICE.
BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A SENSITIVE ISSUE.
UH, I JUST, AS LONG AS THE, FOR ME, AS LONG AS IT MAKES SENSE, OKAY.
I GOTTA UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS AND THE EVENT.
SO I MEAN, IF IT MAKES SENSE, I MAY BE EXPENSIVE AND JUST ROLL YOUR SOCKS DOWN ON IT.
BUT I MEET JAMIE AT CHRISTMAS.
I GOTTA KNOW WHAT, I GOTTA KNOW THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW AS I, AS I SPEAK, I, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I ARE GONNA MEET TOMORROW, TALK ABOUT THIS.
I, ALL I'VE GOT IS THE CIP BOOK.
I MEAN, I, AND I CAN TRY TO GET BITS AND PIECES OUT OF IT, BUT I THINK THE BOARD AS A WHOLE NEEDS TO HAVE A DETAILED UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS IS.
SO WE, IF WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD IT OR NOT, OR HOW TO AFFORD IT, RIGHT.
OR WERE THERE OPTIONS TO WHAT THE, THE, THE TWO PLANS, I MEAN, THE PLANS, THERE ARE OPTIONS.
AND SO THEY'RE IN THAT VERY BEGINNING STAGE RIGHT NOW.
THEY TALKED, WHEN THEY CAME TO OUR RETREAT ABOUT, UM, GOING NET ZERO.
THERE'S A LARGE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT COST WITH DOING SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SPOKE ABOUT, THE SOLAR.
SO THEY'RE STILL IN THAT VERY EARLY STAGE OF GETTING READY TO AWARD THE DESIGN CONTRACT.
AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE VALUE ENGINEERED IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO IT BASED ON THE COST.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN LOOK AT.
AND SO THEY HAVEN'T STARTED MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS YET.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS STILL.
AND THAT THEY MADE THIS AT THIS ESTIMATE ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ASK.
SO FISCAL YEAR 27, $17 MILLION FOR GEOTHERMAL HVAC, WHY DO THEY WANNA DO TWO GEOTHERMAL HVAC RENOVATION? WHY? IT'S THE LARGEST ENERGY, UH, USER.
ARE THEY THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT, THEY WANNA SAVE MONEY IN ENERGY AND ENERGY COST MUCH.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MONEY WILL THEY SAVE ANNUALLY IF THEY DO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE BECAUSE, SO YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER TO DIVIDE THAT BY 17 MILLION AND FIGURE OUT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO, TO SAVE THAT $17 MILLION.
AND IF IT'S A 20 YEAR DEAL, THAT'S A BAD DEAL.
IF THEY SAY THAT IN FIVE YEARS, THAT'S A GOOD DEAL.
WE WANTED TO SEE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT TYPE NUMBER.
THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE, AT THE RETREAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA SUPPORT A CIP THAT WE'RE IN THE BLIND ON.
SO I MEAN, THIS IS, WE'RE TALKING A LARGE SUM OF MONEY, UH, HELD WITH $49 MILLION.
YOU BUY AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR
SO WE JUST, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, AS, AS A REPRESENTATIVES, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS, THIS, WHAT WE'RE BUYING.
AND LET'S, LET'S GET THAT NUMBER RIGHT TOO.
IT IS, AND I ADD THIS UP HERE.
I THINK I CAME TO $40 MILLION WORTH OF FOUR YEARS.
LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST LOCK IN LIKE A NEW NUMBER NOW.
SO LAST YEAR WAS SEVEN, RIGHT? WHAT? WELL, THAT'S, LAST YEAR WAS SEVEN.
AND IN THIS SCHEDULE IT INCLUDES THE 20, THE CURRENT YEAR.
SO, SO IT'S 47 IF YOU ADD UP, WELL, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ADDED UP HERE.
IT WAS SIX, IT WAS 6 MILLION ACCORDING TO THIS.
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INSTEAD OF THE 48.SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL.
SO THERE'S A DELTA OF 14,000 THAT, I MEAN 14 MILLION THAT'S NOT HERE.
AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, WE'VE BEEN, WE BUILT THE, A, A WORLD CLASS SERVICE OFFICE OF $40 MILLION.
AND THESE, AND THESE ARE RENOVATIONS TO AN EXISTING BUILDING, SO MM-HMM
KINDA HARD TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT.
I THOUGHT THAT BUILDING ONLY COST US 25 MINUTES.
IT WAS 25 AND THEN IT WAS 20, FULLY FITTED WAS 30.
SO I WAS THINKING THE OFF IT, BUT THE BUILD IT I THINK WAS 25.
SO THE REAL NUMBERS, UH, FOR 26 HAVE DROPPED BACK TO 16 FIVE AND 16 7, 16, 8.
AND IF IT'S JUST GEOTHERMAL AND HVAC, IT SEEMS INFLATED BASED ON WHAT WE PAID FOR SHARE SPILL SEVEN, ALMOST 17 MILLION FOR GEOTHERMAL VERSUS THREE AND A HALF THREE.
SO THEY HAVE, UH, THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADE, THE HVAC RENOVATION, AND THE GEOTHERMAL IS THERE ABOUT 17 MILLION.
AND THE LED LIGHTING IS, UH, THIS YEAR COMING FOR 2.9 MILLION.
ALMOST 3 MILLION FOR LED LIGHTING AND PAINTING.
WHEN THEY SAY LED LIGHTING, ARE THEY JUST CHANGING THE, THE FIXTURES OR THE WHOLE THING, ISN'T IT? AND MONEY, IF IT'S IN ALL THE CLASSROOM, IT'S A LIGHTING UPGRADE FOR THE WHOLE ZONING.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN STARTED ON THIS AGAIN, AND WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT DEFINED.
SO THE ONE QUESTION THOUGH I HAVE YOU, IS IT IS A BOOK WE THAT WERE GIVEN WAS THE CIP FROM SCHOOLS.
RIGHT? SO HOW HAS THAT CHANGED? HAS THAT CHANGED BASED ON THOSE FIGURES YOU'RE SHOWING US? SO IF I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT BOOK, AM I GONNA BE REALLY OFF? NO, THIS IS THE SAME NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THEIR, UM, FMPE PLAN.
WHAT THEY PRESENTED IT IN NOVEMBER.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TOTAL ON OUR SCHEDULE FOR SCHOOLS, IT'S ALL THE PROJECTS.
SO YOU SEE THE 19 MILLION FOR ONE YEAR AND I THINK 20 MILLION FOR THE OTHER.
UM, THE TYPE HAD A SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
IT DID HAVE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
IN, IN OUR BOOK, YOU, WE, WE SUMMARIZED IT IN ONE TOTAL LINE ITEM ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
BUT THE SCHOOL SUPPORTING SCHEDULE SHOW THE PIECES OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ASKING 'EM TO HELP US UNDERSTAND NOW.
AND THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS WAS A PIECE OF THAT, ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT ADD UP TO IT.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION ALSO IS THERE'S MONEY IN THE CURRENT YEAR, UM, TO START SOME OF THESE, THESE PROJECTS.
THE, THE GEOTHERMAL DESIGN AND LIGHTING DESIGN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THE NUMBER THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN THE, IN THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
LIKE STEVEN IS ASKING YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RETURN ON THIS HUGE INVESTMENT? NOW I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING GENERAL, UH, THERMAL GEOTHERMAL.
I MEAN, THEY DID IT BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON THIS BOARD.
AND, UH, IT'S OUT HERE IN UH, UH OH, ALL OVER THE PLACE A LOT.
SO, UM, AND WE'VE DONE IT FOR SEVERAL OTHERS.
AND EVEN I'VE NOT REALLY, SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ON, ON THE RATE OF RETURN.
SO IT'D BE INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO TO BE CLEAR, FOR GUIDANCE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKED FOR IS TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOLS COME AND DISCUSS THIS BUILDING AND, AND BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT BREAK IT DOWN SAVINGS.
I GOT, YOU KNOW, I GOT $17 MILLION WORTH.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT WE WOULD DO.
SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THANK YOU.
NEXT WORK SESSION OR WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE IT? WE CAN DO IT ON ONE OF OUR EXTRA THURSDAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
COULD DO THAT ONE OF, OH DEAR.
WE GOT A BUNCH OF ON THE CALENDAR.
I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE THAT I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE AT TOWARDS THE END.
WELL THEN WE CAN MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
SO MARK, YOU'D BE GOOD IF THEY COULD BE ABLE TO COME PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT DETAILS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT 70 A MILLION DOLLARS GIVE US A BREAKDOWN.
RIGHT? AND THEN THAT WHOLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, RIGHT? IF WE DO THAT, HOW MUCH MONEY HANDLING ARE WE GONNA SAVE AN ENERGY COST? RIGHT.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET THAT RETURN.
THAT'S, AND ANY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ANY FLEXIBILITY WE DID THAT THEY CAN LIVE WITH.
I MEAN, NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, BUT I NEED TO KNOW FLEXIBILITY FOR DELAYING A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON PROJECT FIRST.
IT COULD BE TIMING OR PROJECTS OR WHAT THE PROJECT I WOULD ASSUME IS THEIR MONEY NUMBERS ARE RATIONAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON IT, BUT IT'S, THEY'RE RATIONAL.
UM, THEY, THEY COULD GIVE US A, MAYBE SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OVER TO LOOK AT THIS, THIS COUNTY DID THIS OR GEOTHERMAL OVER HERE AND THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COST.
SO THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT COST.
SO WE GOT SOMETHING TO COMPARE
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IT WITH.AND SO WE'RE NOT JUST HANGING OUT.
AND THEN IF, IF YOU TALK ABOUT GEOTHERMAL, IT'S GONNA COST $17 MILLION.
I'M SITTING HERE THINKING HOW MUCH DID THE BALL FIELDS COST US THE MAC? IT'S ONLY 19 MILLION.
I MEAN, NO, IT WAS 18 MILLION AND 4 MILLION OF THAT WE ACTUALLY PAY CASH FOR.
AND I THINK WE'RE NOW PAID UP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S YEARS AGO, SO GIVE US SOME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH THAT WAS YEARS AGO.
GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
YOU KNOW, SOME EXAMPLES, MAYBE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
DON'T, JOEL, WHY DON'T JUST YOU SUSAN, DON'T JUST HANG OUT WHILE YOU'RE ALRIGHT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER INSIGHTS ON THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ON THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM? NO.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL, THERE ARE TWO OTHER TOPICS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.
UM, ONE THING THE BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT IS SOME STRATEGIC PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND THAT, SO WHILE WE'VE GIVEN YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S BEEN CUT FROM THE CIP, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED OR WHAT'S NOT IN THE CIP THE BOARD HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES ABOUT HAVING STRATEGIC PRIORITY, UM, PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS.
AND THERE IS NO LINE ITEM IN THE CIP FOR THAT.
SO IF THAT WAS YOUR DESIRE TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.
I THINK A YEAR WHERE WE'RE ALREADY SO TIGHT AND SCRAMBLING TO TRY AND MAKE ENDS MEET, THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS YEAR.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THERE IS, WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY WILL AFFORD ITSELF.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE, PLACE MARKER ON THE, IN THE CIP.
WE'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO ALLOCATE ANY FUNDS THIS YEAR.
BUT BUILD A CIP THAT HAS A LINE IN THEM THERE FOR NO, WE NEED BUILDING UP FUNDS FOR THAT AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND EACH YEAR WE HIT AND WE DECIDE THAT WE DON'T WANNA CONTRIBUTE IN THAT YEAR TO IT, BUT THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'LL NEVER, WE'LL NEVER GET THERE EITHER THAT, YEAH.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO REMIND US EACH TIME THAT THAT IS THERE IF SOMETHING WERE TO COME UP AND WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT.
WELL, I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THE SAME THING IS IF WE WERE TO YES.
I THINK CONSIDER BUILDING A LOT OF PUT FUNDS ASIDE FOR THAT POTENTIAL.
AND WE HAVE ONE, ONE MORE ITEM.
HOW ABOUT THREE, IF YOU LIKE, I CAN COME UP WITH AN EXTRA ONE.
THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF, UH, CIP IDEAS.
UM, I WANT, I DID WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WHILE WE HAD THE BERKELEY STAFFING STUDY, THERE ARE CIP ITEMS IN THERE AND WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED THOSE NOR HAVE FOR THE MOST PART, HAVE WE INCLUDED ANY OF THE BERKELEY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN THE CIP.
SO AT THIS TIME, BA BA BASICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SAME REASON MR. HOWORTH JUST POINTED OUT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TIGHT EAR AND IT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT, BUT IF IT'S AN EFFICIENCY, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD GIVE IT SOME, GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT BEFORE WE WALK AWAY.
UM, SO I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT UNLESS YOU TELL ME YOU WANT ME TO PUT MONEY IN THERE TO COVER THE STAFFING STUDY REQUESTS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.
I WOULD SAY, MARK, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT, YOU LOOK AT THE STAFFING STUDY, YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE GOT, WE HAVE A GENERAL IDEA.
SO I MIGHT NOT, I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU THIS YEAR TO COME OR THE BUDGET WE'RE WORKING IN TO COME BACK AND SAY WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT THIS YEAR.
BUT I WANT, I EXPECT YOU TO SAY WE PAID THE MONEY.
IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? IS IT WORTHWHILE DOING BASED UPON THEIR RECOMMENDATION? RIGHT.
AND THEN SAY, WHERE CAN WE PUT IT IN THE CIP IF WE NEED TO PUT IT IN CIP.
AND WE, AND WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT.
SO WE CAN GIVE YOU A REALISTIC THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, I THINK.
I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS AFTER THE BUDGET, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US, AFTER THE BUDGET, YOU ALL COME BACK TO US AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL BASED UPON THE BERKELEY RECOMMENDATION, HERE ARE SOME WAYS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT IT.
WHAT IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? AND WE CAN, CAN'T YOU LIVE WITHOUT? YEAH.
AND WE HAVE A CONVERSATION FROM THERE.
I, I KNOW THAT I MAKE, UH, GREG GILLETTE HAPPY
YOU'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ONE.
WELL, THE ONLY ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE OR YES SIR, ADD, UH, UM, TO ADD TO THAT IS IN THE BERKELEY STUDY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR LAST MEETING, YOU GUYS GONNA PUT A BULLET POINT TOGETHER FOR EACH OF US TO LOOK AT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, SO THE CAVEAT TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THAT AND IT MAKES BETTER SENSE TO ADD IT TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING MM-HMM
OR GROUPING IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE THAT SAVES US MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.
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DOWN TO THE TILL NEXT YEAR AND GO, MAN, WE JUST MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY.WE COULD HAVE SAVED $200,000 BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE DONE IT WHILE WE WERE DOING THESE OTHER THINGS.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY ASK, IS THAT WE LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF MONEY SAVINGS BY IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SOONER RATHER THIS YEAR AS OPPOSED TO PUSHING IT A WHOLE NOTHER 12 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND WE LOOK BACK AND GO, MAN, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE DOING SUCH AND SUCH.
THAT'S A A VERY GOOD POINT AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT.
UH, THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAVE IS SURE.
UH, THERE HAS BEEN, SURE THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT MORE CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF, UH, POSSIBLY A COUNTY ADMIN BUILDING.
THAT, UH, ITEM IS NOT IN THE CIP SO WELL WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO EVENTUALLY.
AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PLACE.
BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE INCLUDING THE A AND E.
THE WHAT? THE A EE ARCHITECTURE.
SO PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO TO RIGHT.
TO DESIGN A BUILDING, BUT A, A START MAYBE A MASTER PLAN OR SOMETHING.
WE, WE DID WELL, MR. KRIEGER'S GROUP DID A LITTLE CONCEPTUAL, UH, WORK ON WHO WOULD BE IN THE BUILDING, HOW BIG IT NEEDED TO BE.
AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARILY, UH, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 60,000 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT I RECALL.
WHAT DO YOU GOT NOW? UH, THAT BUILDING IS LESS, LESS THAN 25.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'D BE MOVING AND MOVING TO SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS INTO WHERE WOULD YOU ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, BUILDING THAT SIZE.
WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
AND THEN ONCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US PARKING GARAGE UNDERNEATH TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT AND CONTINUE WORKING.
AND THEN ONCE THE BUILDING BEHIND IT IS FINISHED, YOU COULD MOVE INTO THAT.
UH, AND THEN RAISE THE BUILDING IN THE FRONT.
AND THAT COULD BE OPEN GREEN SPACE.
THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT THE COUNTY OWNS IN YORK, IN THE VILLAGE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO KEEP OH YEAH.
UH, THAT TYPE OF, UH, OFFICE BUILDING IS ON THE BLUFF BEHIND THE PARKING DECK.
I'M, I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT.
NOT ADVOCATING, I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT.
I'D MUCH RATHER SEE US WORK WITH THE BALLARD PROPERTY.
I, I THINK THE PROPERTY FOR SURE.
UM, WELL, MY TAKEAWAY ON THAT IS I, I DON'T WANNA SPEND $500,000 OR MORE ON A AND E UNTIL WE READY SPEND THE MONEY ON ACTUALLY DOING THE BUILDING EITHER.
SO LET'S TAKE IT TOO AHEAD OF OURSELVES THERE.
AND WE GOTTA HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT IN.
IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A BUILDING THREE TIMES THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE NOW, THEN WHAT ARE WE GONNA CLOSE TO CONSOLIDATE? 'CAUSE WE NEED TO SAVE MONEY.
THIS, THIS HAS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A, A FINANCIAL BENEFIT AS WELL AS JUST WE, WE WANT A NEW BUILDING HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHUT DOWN OTHER BUILDINGS, KNOCK THEM DOWN, SAVE MONEY THERE OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S A BIG CONVERSATION TO HAVE THERE.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE STATE SPACE STUDY.
WE'VE GOT THE SPACE STUDY FOR NEXT YEAR.
BECAUSE YOU ALSO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE NEED FOR COURTS.
WE'RE RENTING PROPERTY THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RENT ANYMORE NEED SPACE AS WELL.
SO QUAR WOULD TAKE, BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT BUILDING, PERHAPS.
OR OR FINANCE BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL COURTHOUSE OR A ORIGINAL RIGHT, RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES THAT THIS SPACING STUDY CAN HELP US.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR AHEAD AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY NOW AND WE'RE NOT READY TO BUILD TILL YEARS LATER.
SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WHAT I WANTED THOUGH IS A LINE ITEM THAT ALLOWED US TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK.
SO IT HAS TO HAVE A SPACING STUDY.
WE NEED TO START WORKING TOWARDS SPACE STUDY.
SO YOU TELL US WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE CIP TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE JUST THAT'S RIGHT.
TALKED ABOUT JUST GET CONCEPT, NOT NECESSARILY A FULL, JUST A LINE ITEM IN THERE.
SO IF WE HAVE TO GO TO, AND THAT WOULD WHAT'S, I MEAN, SOMETHING'S NOT GONNA BE FILLED OVERNIGHT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT AND, AND WHO YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IN AND WHY YOU'RE MOVING IT IN AND WHAT YOU'RE GOING DO WITH THE PROPERTY THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.
THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS.
AND IT'S NOT DONE JUST OVERNIGHT.
IT'S DONE IN SEVERAL YEARS I WOULD THINK.
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IS, I WOULD THINK IN THIS NEXT YEAR PROCESS IS GET THAT CONCEPT TOGETHER ABOUT WHO'S GOING IN THERE AND WHERE ARE WE VACATING BUILDINGS AND WHAT WE, WHAT IT'S ALL GONNA LOOK LIKE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.IT COULD TAKE US 10 YEARS TO GET THERE, BUT MAYBE NOT.
BUT AT LEAST HAVE A CONCEPT DRAWING AND HERE'S WHERE WHAT'S GONNA BE HOUSED THERE.
AND THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT WE NO LONGER NEED AND WE'RE CONSOLIDATING AND MAYBE WHAT THOSE PIECES OF PROPERTY ARE GONNA BE SLATED FOR IN THE FUTURE OR POSSIBILITIES.
WE FINISHED WITH THIS SUBJECT? YES MA'AM.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE COMMUNITY SURVEY AND I THINK YOU ARE STILL DOING IT.
MARK, CAN WE, UH, TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? OKAY.
I WANT MARK, I KNOW WE ARE HEADED THURSDAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THE BOARD IS BACK IN ORDER AND THE
[4 Polco Community Survey. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator. b. February 7, 2025 -County Administrator’s Memorandum to the Board of Supervisors. c. Optional Customized Questions - For Board consideration.]
NEXT THING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS THE COMMUNITY SURVEY.AND THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATOR MARK.
THE COMMUNITY SURVEY BACK IN, UH, JANUARY WHEN YOU HAD YOUR BOARD RETREAT.
ACTUALLY IT'S FEBRUARY, IT'S FEBRUARY OF 24TH.
UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU ASKED ME FOR AFTER THAT RETREAT CONCLUDED WAS TO REDO A, UH, CITIZEN SURVEY.
SO I SENT YOU A MEMO, UH, ON THAT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THIS AND CHOSE, UH, A COMPANY CALLED POCOS TO DO IT.
SO POCOS HAS STANDARDIZED, UH, SURVEY THAT ALLOWS US TO BENCHMARK AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES IN VIRGINIA AS WELL, UH, THAT USE THIS, UH, NATIONALLY STANDARDIZED, UH, COMMUNITY SURVEY.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT SOME IN VIRGINIA.
IT'S NOT A GREAT AMOUNT, BUT THERE ARE SOME, AS I RECALL, AROUND 20 OR LESS.
UM, AND THEN NATIONALLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW WE STACK UP, UH, AGAINST OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET THIS OUT OF THE LAST SURVEY.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO WE CAN BENCHMARK THE QUESTIONS ARE STANDARDIZED.
WE DID HAVE THE OPTION TO ADD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT QUESTIONS TO THE END OF IT.
SO WHAT STAFF DID WAS LOOK AT THE, THE COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT WAS DONE AS PART OF THE COMP PLAN AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT POCO HAS AND PULL THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE NOT COVERED IN THE POCO UH, SURVEY.
BUT WERE COVERED IN THE PREVIOUS SRI OR S-I-R-S-R-I-S-R-I SURVEY.
AND THAT LEFT US WITH, UH, A FAIR NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT EIGHT AS I RECALL, UH, THAT WEREN'T REFLECTIVE IN OUR POL CODE SURVEY.
SO WE SHARED THOSE WITH YOU AND ASKED YOU IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN USING THOSE AS WELL.
SO I KNOW THERE WERE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE QUESTIONS AND THEIR PERCEIVED BIAS.
SO WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT IS WE CAN USE THOSE QUESTIONS OR NOT USE THOSE QUESTIONS.
THERE'S NO OBLIGATION ON OUR PART TO DO THAT.
WE COULD USE THOSE QUESTIONS, WE COULD NOT USE THOSE QUESTIONS AND ONLY DO THE STANDARDIZED SURVEY.
AND THEN IN THE MOST RECENT MEMO WE SENT YOU LAST FRIDAY, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, TIM HAS BEEN THE POINT OF CONTACT ON THIS PROJECT, SO IF WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, I'D ASK TIM TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE ONES THAT PROPOSED? OH, THE STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS.
THE SAME QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST, LAST ONE? OR DO THEY NO, IT'S A ENOUGH.
THIS ONE, THE POL CODE'S VERY DIFFERENT.
THE LAST ONE I WANNA SAY THERE WERE ABOUT 28 QUESTIONS.
THIS ONE, WHEN YOU ADD 'EM ALL UP, IT'S HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE CATEGORIES WITH SUB THINGS RATE THIS, RATE THIS, RATE THIS.
SO WE GET A LOT DENSER OF INFORMATION FROM EVERY SURVEY THAT WE COLLECT.
AND THE ONES AS, UH, MR. BELLAMY WAS SAYING, THE ONES WE SENT ON THE FIRST MEMO WAS ANALYSIS OF THESE ARE CONCEPTS THAT WEREN'T COVERED BY THE STUDY, PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
AND THESE ARE ONES THAT WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT ADDRESSING.
AND WHAT WE JUST SENT OUT ON THE LAST ONE ARE MORE FORMALIZED QUESTIONS OF THESE ARE RELATIVELY NON-BIASED.
WE WOULD STILL RUN 'EM THROUGH POCO TO VET THAT MINIMAL BIAS.
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OF WHAT YOU COULD EXPECT TO SEE OR CONSIDER PUTTING INTO THE SURVEY.IN ADDITION TO ALL THE STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS.
THE, THE, THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS IF THIS YEAR'S STANDARDIZED QUESTIONS ARE THE SAME AS THE LAST UM, SURVEY, THEN, THEN, THEN WE GOT A BASELINE TO COMPARE.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THAT THE ONE, HOW, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR SOMEONE TO COMPLETE THE STANDARDIZED SURVEY? DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THAT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF QUESTIONS.
AND IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE LAST MEMO.
HOW IT ACTUALLY PRINTS OUT IS THREE SIDES OF A PAGE.
SO YOU HAVE TWO SIDES OF ONE PAGE, WHICH ARE KIND OF QUESTIONS RANKING AND FOR THE MOST PART, THE THIRD ONE IS DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
BUT AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, AND SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE AT HOME ON TV, BUT IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA MATERIAL IS EACH ONE OF THESE, IT SAYS ONE QUESTION, BUT WITHIN HERE THERE'S EIGHT TO 10 RIGHT SUB QUESTIONS EACH ONE RANKED.
AND SO THAT'S, AND BUT THAT, AND THAT'S A LOT MORE DENSE THAN THE ORIGINAL 28.
SO IS THERE A CONCERN THAT IT'S TOO MUCH TOO LONG? THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT PO CODE DOES NATIONWIDE THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH.
AT SOME POINT WHAT STAFF LOOKED AT IS DO WE WANT TO KEEP DOING THE STANDARDIZED AND COMPARE OURSELVES TO THE PRIOR ONE? TO THE PRIOR ONE WHICH WE'VE DONE AND HAVE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION? OR DO WE WANT TO TAKE IT UP A NOTCH? AND THE UNDERSTANDING WE DID IS FROM THE INPUT WE GOT FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS WAS NOW WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE IT UP A STEP, COMPARE OURSELVES VERSUS OTHER LOCALITIES, HAVE SOME MORE INPUT, SOME MORE INFORMATION TO GIVE KIND OF MORE FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS.
SO THIS IS WHY WE RECOMMEND RIGHT.
IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DO ACROSS THE COUNTRY MM-HMM
SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE US AGAINST OTHER, BUT CAN WE, CAN THEY COME GIVE US COMPARISON AGAINST LOCALITIES LIKE OURS AND NOT JUST EVERY LOCALITY? UH, YOU ARE EXACTLY CORRECT.
SO THEIR BASIC ONE, IT'S COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ABOUT 425 OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'VE DONE THE SURVEY.
ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE INFORMATION STATISTICALLY ON EVERY LOCALITY.
THEN WE ALSO, PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WE PURCHASED WAS THE, AS MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE CUSTOM BENCHMARK COMPARISON.
WHERE WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA BE COMPARED TO DALLAS, TEXAS.
THAT'S NOT REALLY APPROPRIATE.
LET'S FOCUS IN ON WILLIAMSBURG, WHICH HAS BEEN USING IT FOR MANY YEARS, SOME OTHER LOCALITIES AND FOCUS IN ON JUST THAT ONE'S LIKE US.
MAYBE THE CHARACTERISTIC THAT YOUR COUNTY PRESENTS.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT LIKE MAYBE ANOTHER COUNTY IF THEY'RE A LOT MORE URBAN OR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT IS A, THAT IS A BIG VALUE IN DOING A STANDARDIZED TEST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES MM-HMM
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AGAINST MUNICIPALITIES LIKE OUR US.
THIS IS WHAT WE WERE AFTER BECAUSE WE CAME OUT OF THE BERKELEY STUDY FEELING THAT WE REALLY HADN'T GOTTEN THAT COMPARISON OF HOW WELL ARE WE DOING OR HOW POORLY ARE WE DOING? DO WE HAVE SOME REFERENCE THAT WE CAN DRAW? I THINK THAT'S WHAT GOLD POINT WAS.
YOUR REFERENCE WITH THE OTHER, SEE WHAT RANK FORWARD ALL THAT SURVEY.
I THINK IT'S THE EXTRA QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T COME ACROSS AS BIASED? OR ARE I SAYING VERY SKEWED TO ME.
TAKE, TAKING THE ONES OUT OF THE COMP PLAN WAS, WAS WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I SAT THROUGH THAT PROCESS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND, AND WE KEPT REFERRING BACK TO THAT SURVEY, BUT THE QUESTIONS WERE VERY SKEWED IN TERMS OF THE RESULT.
AND, AND WE NEEDED TO FIX THAT.
IF WE WERE GONNA ASK THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS AGAIN, THEY, THEY NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED, BUT WE WOULD EVEN WANT TO ASK THOSE EXTRA QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEN IT THROWS THE RESULTS OFF HOW WE COMPARE AGAINST OTHER LOCALITIES.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY'LL COMPARE THE RESULTS ON THE FIRST THREE PAGES.
AND THEN NO, WE CAN BREAK, THEY'LL BREAK IT DOWN EVEN.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IS NOT, I GOT BE SPECIFIC TO OUR LOCATION.
IT DOESN'T, IT'S VERY GRANULAR.
SO IS WE'RE ADDING
BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT CORRECTLY AND DON'T ENTER A BIAS WITH, WELL, THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA ANSWER IT.
QUESTION A, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKES TIM FOR THE TO BE DONE A AS FAR AS ACUTE, UH, PERSON TAKING THE SURVEY? I DUNNO THAT NUMBER.
THE ACTUAL PROCESS ITSELF CONSERVATIVELY 18 WEEKS FROM WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY FOR THE QUESTIONS TO RUN THROUGH CONSERVATIVELY 15 WEEKS, FOUR TO FIVE MONTHS.
AND THEY WILL COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD.
SO TIM, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE WORKED WITH THEM.
SO WILL THEY VET THE QUESTION AND TRY TO REMOVE AS MUCH BIAS AS POSSIBLE? YES.
THAT'S PART OF THEIR SERVICES.
SO WE COME UP WITH THIS, WE PRESENT IT TO 'EM, THEY FIT IT INTO THEIR FORMAT, THEY GIVE US FEEDBACK AND THEY WILL NOT LET
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A HIGHLY BIASED QUESTION GO BECAUSE THEY ARE SENDING OUT THE SURVEY.THERE IS STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY THAT'S THE BASE OF WHAT THEY WANT.
WE CAN KICK AND SCREAM AND PART OF THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT THEY REVIEW IT, THEY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, AND THEY MAY SAY, OH, DO YOU SUPPORT THIS? WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY? DO YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE, YOU KNOW YES.
AND CHANGE UP THE LANGUAGE LIKE THAT THEY WILL ALL THAT WILL BE VETTED, VETTED THROUGH THIS COMPANY.
WE WOULD'VE ONE LAST CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE THOSE.
BUT WE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE GOTTA ASK IT IN A QUESTIONS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.
SO LET'S TAKE SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE RECYCLING.
IT WOULD BE EASY TO ASK THEIR QUESTION IN THE SURVEY, DO YOU SUPPORT RECYCLING? MOST PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY SAY, YES, I WANNA REPORT RECYCLING.
BUT IF WE ASK THE QUESTION, DO YOU SUPPORT RECYCLING? IF IS GONNA COST YOU THIS MONEY, MUCH MONEY TO DO IT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET ANY DIFFERENT RESPONSE.
AND THAT'S THE RESPONSE WE, WE WANT TO GET BECAUSE ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY EXTRA FOR THIS SERVICE? RIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS TO ROSE.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO THIS LATEST COPY THAT WE SENT OUT WITH THE SEVEN QUESTIONS I BELIEVE.
UM, I'M SORRY, THE OTHER, THIS ONE WITH THE SEVEN QUESTIONS, THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE IN THE POCO STYLE THAT WE'VE ALREADY INITIALLY SENT THROUGH THEM.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR FINAL CHECKS, BUT THESE ARE ONES THAT THEY CONSIDER THAT THEY CONCURRED WITH US WOULD BE POTENTIALLY VALUABLE.
THEY'D STILL DO A FINAL CHECK.
UM, SO IF THESE ARE ONES THAT HAVE KIND OF ALREADY GONE THROUGH SOME LAYERS AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU COULD DO OR, AND, AND IN FAIRNESS THEY'VE GONE A LONG WAY YES.
FORWARD IN TERMS OF FIXING SOME OF THE MISTAKES WE SAW.
AND TIM, WOULD YOU MIND ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW DENSITY OF HOUSING AFFECTS THE RESPONSE RATE ON THE SURVEYS? YES.
SO ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IN THE MEMO, WE HAD A QUOTE FROM THE COMPANY ABOUT HOW THEY SEND OUT THE SURVEYS AND THERE WAS A NOTE IN THERE OF A FIVE TO THREE RATIO OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSES TO LOW DENSITY HOUSES.
AND WHAT WASN'T EXPLAINED IN THE MEMO IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE TRY AND KEEP THE MEMO SHORT.
THAT IS HOW THEY INITIALLY SEND OUT THE SURVEYS TO END UP WITH A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.
THEY KNOW THAT HIGH DENSITY HOMES ARE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO THE SURVEY AT THE SAME RATIO AS LOW DENSITY FAMILY HOMES.
THEY DO THAT INITIAL PUSH, THEY KNOW THAT AT THE END, STATISTICALLY THAT'S GOING TO LEVEL IT OUT.
IF IT DOESN'T AND THEY GET TOO MANY HIGH DENSITY RESPONSES, THEY'RE GOING TO SURVEY MORE LOW INCOME UNTIL IT COMES OUT TO PROPORTIONALLY EQUAL TO WHAT YORK COUNTY IS UHHUH
BUT THERE WERE SOME CITIZENS WHO READ THAT MEMO AND SAID, YOU'RE GOING, THE SURVEYS ARE GOING OUT FIVE FOR TO HIGH DENSITY HOMES FOR EVERY THREE THAT YOU SEND OUT TO LOWDEN HOMES.
AND YES, THAT'S WHAT WE SEND OUT THE SURVEYS, BUT THEY KNOW THE END RESULTS WILL BE IN PROPORTION.
OTHERWISE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NOT GET ENOUGH HIGH DENSITY, HAVE TO DO ANOTHER ROUND, HAVE TO DO MAYBE ANOTHER ROUND.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE MEMO.
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE PUT A LITTLE BIT CLEAR, BUT WE ALSO WANT THE MEMOS TO BE SHORT AND CONCISE.
WHAT'S THE TYPICAL RETURN RATE? FIVE TO THREE
OH, AS FAR AS THEIR, THIS IS MY ASSUMPTION THROUGH STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, THEY SEND OUT THE AGREEMENT OF THIS AS 3000 HOMES.
UM, THE END RESULT TENDS TO BE FIVE PLUS OR MINUS 5% BASED UPON FLASH VOTE.
WE KNOW THAT THAT'S ABOUT 500 RESPONSES.
SO WE'LL SEND 'CAUSE FLASH VOTE, WE SURVEY ABOUT 500 PEOPLES ARE GOING RATE.
AND THAT GIVES US, IN OUR JURISDICTION AND 70,000 PEOPLE ABOUT A PLUS OR MINUS 5%.
SO WE'LL SEND OUT THREE THREE 3000.
3000 AND WE'LL GET ABOUT 500 BACK.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? SO WHEN THEY SEND OUT THE HIGH DENSITY, DID THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY COME BACK? IF THEY COME BACK FROM SINGLE FAMILY OR HIGH DENSITY? THEY DO.
IT'S ALL, AND THAT'S PART OF IT IS, SO THERE'S, LET ME ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THE STATISTICALLY VALID ONE, WHICH THEY SEND OUT THE 3000 TO SPECIFIC HOMES.
YOU DON'T GET TO SAY I'M A RESIDENT, I WANT THIS BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT BIAS.
SO THEY WILL CHOOSE, THEY'LL MAKE SURE AN EVEN PERCENTAGE IN DISTRICT ONE IS DISTRICT FIVE IS IN TWO, UM, EVEN WE SAW THE AGE PERCENTAGES EARLIER TONIGHT.
THEY'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE AGES ARE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED.
THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.
UM, ONCE THAT'S ALL DONE AND THE STATISTICALLY VALID ONE IS LOCKED IN, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP TO EVERY CITIZEN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM AS MANY CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT UP ALL THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THAT WILL BE INFORMATION WE WILL SHARE WITH US THAT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO, BUT IT CAN'T TOUCH THE STATISTICALLY VALID ONE BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT I'M GONNA SHARE THE THINGS.
I'M HACK HIGHLY INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT, SO I TEND TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERSPECTIVE.
SO I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY CITIZENS LISTENING REALIZE IF
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YOU'RE NOT CHOSEN FOR THE RANDOM SAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUBLICIZING THIS AFTERWARDS.WE WANT THEIR FEEDBACK, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM.
'CAUSE I'M CURIOUS OF HOW THEY PICK A SPECIFIC ADDRESS THEY SEND IT TO.
BECAUSE EACH OF US WILL GET FEEDBACK GOING, I DIDN'T GET THE SURVEY.
HOW COME? AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 99.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOTTEN ONE, ONE OF THE SURVEYS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING MAKE SURE YOU SEE ME THIS TIME.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WILL ALL, EACH ONE OF US WILL GET QUESTIONS.
I COME OUT AND GET A CHANCE TO SURVEY AND, AND IF WE HAVE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND BACK, WELL HERE'S HOW IT'S DONE AND HERE, HERE HOW EAST HOUSEHOLD CHOSEN AND THERE'S A LITTLE SAFETY NET'S BUILT INTO THIS SAME AS FLASH VOTE IS THERE'S AN ABSTRACTION LAYER BETWEEN US AS STAFF OR YOU AS BOARD MEMBERS AND THE COMPANY SENDING IT OUT.
I DON'T GET TO SAY, OH, I DON'T LIKE THIS HOUSEHOLD OR I LIKE THIS HOUSEHOLD, MAKE SURE YOU SEND IT TO MY BOARD MEMBER.
THEY LOOK THROUGH THOSE AGE DEMOGRAPHICS, THEY MAKE SURE IT'S NEUTRAL ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE I CAN'T SPECIFY, YOU CAN'T SPECIFY TO 'EM YOU MUST DO THIS HOUSE OR YOU CAN'T DO THIS HOUSE.
YEAH, BUT WELL IT'S VERY INTERESTING, TIM.
OH, YOU GOT ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, I DID.
MARK HAD INITIALLY SAID THIS WAS A TWO YEAR PROGRAM STILL GOING WITH TWO OR IS IT SINGLE YEAR? YES.
SO IF YOU DON'T GET A SURVEY IN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU MIGHT GET IT IN THE SECOND.
IT'S POSSIBLE
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S OH YEAH, SO IT'S TWO YEARS ACCESS TO THE DATA.
THERE'S OTHER TOOLS AND THINGS THAT WE GET AS PART OF THIS THAT WE MIGHT BE ROLLING OUT AS TIME GOES ON THAT ARE GREAT TOOLS FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
BUT THE SURVEY IS A ONE TIME SURVEY.
ONE TIME SURVEY WE RECOMMEND THE MOST FREQUENT TO DO IT IS EVERY TWO YEARS AND THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT'S TWO YEAR CONTRACT.
AND UHHUH, DO WE GET THE RAW DATA? YES.
THROUGH THEIR PLATFORM AND YEAH, WE GET TO SEE EVERYTHING THROUGH THAT.
WELL, DO WE GET THE NOT SEE IT, DO WE GET IT? YOU MEAN, DOES THE BOARD GET IT OR, I MEAN, DOES THE COUNTY GET, DOES THE COUNTY GET THE RAW DATA? I AM, I WANNA SAY YES.
I, I WILL GET BACK TO, LEMME LEMME KNOW.
I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE I'LL GET BACK TO THANKS.
WE SHOULD GET THE RAW DATA, I WOULD HOPE.
[5 Zoning Text Amendment Discussion - Data Centers. Planning and Development Services Staff. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator. b. York County Department of Fire and Life Safety Standards for Data Centers. c. Excerpts from approved minutes of the September 11, 2024, Planning Commission Meeting. d. Excerpts from approved minutes of the November 13, 2024, Planning Commission Meeting. e. Planning Commission Resolution No. PC24-18(R-2). ]
UH, NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT DISCUSSION.AND WHO IS GOING TO DO THAT? YOU OKAY, COME ON.
SO THIS PRESENTATION IS TO DISCUSS, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE PROVISIONS CONCERNING DATA CENTERS.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS INCLUDE A NEW DEFINITION, A NEW ENTRY IN THE TABLE OF LAND USES, AND A NEW SECTION FOR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO THE FOLLOWING IS PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THE DEFINITION SECTION.
SO I'LL LET YOU READ THIS HERE AND WE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR DATA CENTER CURRENTLY.
SO THE PROPOSED PROVISION WOULD ADD A NEW ENTRY TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES NUMBER 15 TO CATEGORY 15 AND ALLOW DATA CENTERS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
ALL THREE OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE INTENDED TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL USES OF VARYING, UH, INTENSITIES.
SO SECTION 24.1 DASH 49.1 IS A PROPOSED NEW SECTION FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT CONTAINS VARIOUS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WOULD REGULATE DATA CENTERS.
I GROUPED THESE STANDARDS INTO SEVERAL CATEGORIES, INCLUDING ENERGY USAGE, WATER USAGE, NOISE GENERATION, SETBACKS AND BUFFERS, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND SAFETY PROVISIONS.
AND I'M GONNA START BY DISCUSSING ENERGY USAGE.
SO SECTION A ONE REQUIRES DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A LETTER FROM THE ELECTRIC UTILITY INDICATING SUFFICIENT PROXIMITY TO A SUBSTATION AND TRANSMISSION LINES.
STAFF INCLUDED THIS TO ENSURE THE RELIABLE AVAILABILITY OF ENERGY FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IS NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY DATA CENTERS.
NEXT WE'LL DISCUSS WATER USAGE DATA CENTERS UTILIZE COOLING SYSTEMS, WHICH SOMETIMES CONSUME HIGH VOLUMES OF WATER TO REGULATE THE TEMPERATURE PRODUCED BY THE COMPUTER COMPONENTS.
SECTION A TWO REQUIRES DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A LETTER FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, WATER UTILITY INDICATING SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO SERVE THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER QUESTION.
WOULD THEY BE USING GRAY WATER? NO.
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THEY WOULD BE USING, UH OH, THEY WOULD BE USING PUBLIC WATER.AND WHAT IF THEY COULD USE RIVER WATER? HAVE WE ADDRESSED THAT? YOU SAID RECYCLE? YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UM, PERFORMANCE STANDARD THAT I'M GONNA HAVE ON THE NEXT SLIDE OR ONE AFTER THAT.
IT TALKS ABOUT WATER RECYCLING METHODS.
SO SECTION B REQUIRES ALL DATA CENTERS TO BE CONNECTED TO A PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM.
AND THE USE OF WELLS AS A WATER SUPPLY IS PROHIBITED.
WHAT? WHY, WHY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
TO AVOID, UH, DRAINING OUR AREA AQUIFERS, THE AQUIFER WOULD CHANGE.
WHY USE? YOU SAID WHY USE, WHY NOT? THEY COULD, THEY COULD.
I MEAN, THEY NEED TO PROPOSE HOW TO DO IT.
YOU DON'T WANT USING WELL SYSTEM.
WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SPECIFY THAT THAT WELLS ARE OFF LIMITS OR SOMETHING IF THAT YEAH.
IT'S EXCESSIVE HAVE PROHIBITED THEM TO THERE A WELL, YES, BUT YES.
ISN'T, ISN'T THERE AFI A WHOLE LOT LARGER THAN WHAT NEWPORT NEWS WATER WORKS AS IN THE RESERVOIR? YOU SAID ISN'T OUR A I'M SORRY.
YES, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME WELL ISSUES, ESPECIALLY UP IN THE LIGHTFOOT AREA.
UM, AND SO IF, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EO LAND UP THERE, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THAT.
SO WHEREVER THEY, WHEREVER THEY GET THEIR WATER FROM IT, WE DON'T WANT IT TO COME FROM ONES ESPECIALLY UP THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, SKIM AND THE LIGHTFOOT AREA AND ALL THAT AREA UP THERE HAVING ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING WELL WATER BECAUSE, WELL, NEWPORT A HUGE IS ALLOWED TO TAKE OFF SO MUCH FROM THE AQUIFER.
THE AQUIFER EXTENDS OVER THE ENTIRE STATE.
I MEAN, IT'S A, EACH COMMUNITY HAS A CERTAIN LIMIT ON, ON WHAT THEY CAN DRAW.
IF THERE'S A LIMIT EVEN ON HOW MUCH YOU TAKE OUT OMI.
SO, SO IT ULTIMATELY, YOU DON'T WANT THEM BREACHING THEIR LIMIT BECAUSE OF A DATA CENTER.
BUT UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST THINKING THE CAPACITY NEWPORT NEWS WATER WORKS A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN, THAN THE, THAN GROUNDWATER.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO GET A, A LETTER FROM THE PUBLIC UTILITY SAYING, YES, WE'RE GOOD.
WE, WE COULD ALLOW THIS KIND OF USE OF WATER.
THAT WAS WAS THE FIRST SLIDE SECTION.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD LOSE SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
SO TO REDUCE DATA CENTER'S USE OF PUBLIC WATER STAFF IS INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT STATES THE DATA CENTER SHALL EMPLOY WATER CONSERVATION METHODS LIKE RAINWATER HARVESTING AND WATER RECYCLING SYSTEMS. ALL PROPOSED METHODS OF CONSERVATION WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
THE NEXT TOPIC IS NOISE GENERATION DATA CENTERS ARE KNOWN TO PRODUCE A CONSTANT HUMMING OR BUZZING NOISE, WHICH IS GENERATED BY THEIR COOLING SYSTEM, TRANSMISSION LINES, AND THE SERVERS THEMSELVES.
FOR THIS REASON, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS SEVERAL PROVISIONS TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL, UH, NOISE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO SECTION D ONE REQUIRES DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A SOUND STUDY THAT EVALUATES THE EXISTING AMBIENT NOISE BEFORE DEVELOPMENT BEGINS AND MODEL PREDICTED NOISE.
GENERATION AFTER DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE AMBIENT NOISE WOULD BE MEASURED BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 PM AND 5:00 AM FROM FOUR CORNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
FOUR LOCATIONS AS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
SO SECTION D ONE A ALLOWS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL SOUND STUDIES AFTER THE DATA CENTER IS IN OPERATION TO ENSURE CONTINUING COMPLIANCE WITH THE PREVIOUS SECTION.
AND SECTION D TWO STATES THAT DATA CENTERS CANNOT PRODUCE NOISE LOUDER THAN THE EXISTING AMBIENT NOISE CAPTURED IN THE SOUND STUDY.
OR 55 DECIBELS, WHICHEVER IS GREATER WHEN MEASURED FROM THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
THE COUNTY'S NOISE REGULATION PROHIBITS NOISE IN EXCESS OF 55 DECIBELS AT NIGHT AND 65 DECIBELS DURING THE DAYTIME BECAUSE THE NOISE GENERATED BY DATA CENTERS IS THE SAME DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT, EXCEPT FOR WHEN GENERATORS ARE RUNNING THE PROHIBITION OF NOISE IN EXCESS OF THE NIGHTTIME SOUND LIMIT OR THE EXISTING AMBIENT NOISE WOULD BE A REASONABLE LIMIT.
OTHER NOISE PROVISIONS AND THE SET, THE PROPOSED SETBACK AND BUFFER REQUIREMENTS WILL ADDRESS GENERATOR NOISE.
I'LL DISCUSS THESE STANDARDS LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
IS, IS THERE AN EXCLUSION FOR SHORT TERM GENERATOR USAGE? SO FOR SHORT TERM GENERATOR, YEAH.
THEY SEE GENERATOR SHORT TERM, THEY LOSE POWER AND THEY GOTTA KEEP NO, THEY DO, BUT KEEP THE, KEEP THE DISC RUNNING.
SO THEY TURN THE GENERATORS ON.
THE GENERATORS FOLLOW THE SAME SIGN REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT, IS THAT FEASIBLE? YES.
'CAUSE THEY CAN BUILD SOUND WALLS AROUND GENERATORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THEY CAN USE QUIET GENERATORS, MENTAL THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO SECTION D THREE WOULD REQUIRE DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SURROUND ALL EXTERIOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WITH AN ACOUSTIC BARRIER.
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NOISE RELATED PROVISION.STATES DATA CENTER SHALL NOT ENGAGE IN ONSITE GENERATOR TESTING FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS EACH DAY.
ONLY ON WEEKDAYS BETWEEN 5:00 PM AND 8:00 PM.
UM, THESE HOURS ARE PROPOSED BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE OF VIRGINIA PROHIBITS GENERATOR TESTING BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM AND 5:00 PM FROM MAY 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH TO PROTECT THE OZONE DURING HOT SUNNY DAYS WHEN THE AIR POLLUTANTS HAVE THE GREATEST EFFECT ON THE ATMOSPHERE.
AND NEXT WE'LL DISCUSS SETBACKS AND BUFFERS.
SECTION E REQUIRES DATA CENTERS AND THEIR ANCILLARY EQUIPMENT TO BE SET BACK 200 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES AND 500 FEET FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
AND SECTION F WOULD REQUIRE DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENTS TO BE SURROUNDED BY A PERIMETER BUFFER OF AT LEAST 50 FEET AND WIDTH LANDSCAPED WITH EVENLY DISTRIBUTED VEGETATION.
THE BUFFER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF A TYPE 50 TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, WHICH CONTAINS THE COUNTY'S MOST DENSE PLANTING REQUIREMENT WITH EVERGREEN TREES AND SHRUBS.
EXISTING MATURE TREES WILL BE PRESERVED WITHIN THE BUFFER UNLESS THE BOARD AUTHORIZES CLEARING OR DEVELOPMENT AFTER HOLDING A PUBLIC MEETING.
THE PROPOSED SETBACK REQUIREMENT DISCUSSED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, AND THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER SHOWN HERE WOULD ADDRESS POTENTIAL VISUAL AND AUDIO IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, INCLUDING NOISE FROM GENERATORS.
SECTION G INCLUDES A LIST OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS THAT DUPLICATE EXISTING LANGUAGE FROM THE COUNTY'S ZONING ORDINANCE.
SECTION G ONE STATES THAT A DATA CENTER BUILDING CAN BE NO TALLER THAN 35 FEET UNLESS THE BOARD APPROVES A GREATER HEIGHT.
SECTION G, DOES THAT INCLUDE 35 FEET ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON TOP OF THE COOL TOWERS AND OR IS THAT JUST THE BUILD THE ROOF LINE? TOTAL, TOTAL, TOTAL.
SO SECTION G TWO PROHIBITS PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING FACADE THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, FROM BEING CONSTRUCTED OF BARREN OR UNFINISHED CINDER BLOCKS, CORRUGATED MATERIAL SHEET METAL OR VERTICAL METAL SIDING.
ANOTHER PROVISION REQUIRES FRONT FACING FACADES GREATER THAN 50 FEET IN LENGTH TO INCORPORATE WALL PLANE PROJECTIONS, RECESSES, OR OTHER ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS THAT CREATE VISUAL INTEREST TO HELP BREAK UP, UH, PLANE AND UNBURIED FACADES.
BOTH THIS AND THE PROVISION SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE DATA CENTERS ARE USUALLY LARGE STRUCTURES.
AND IF DESIGNED WITH LONG UNBURIED FACADES, UM, AND CONSTRUCTED OF UNATTRACTIVE MATERIALS, THEY COULD POSE AN EYESORE.
SECTION G FOUR REQUIRES DUMPSTERS, UTILITY METERS ABOVE GROUND TANKS, SATELLITE DISHES, AND OTHER SIMILAR ITEMS TO BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OR LOCATED SO THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
DATA CENTERS OFTEN HAVE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY FOR SECURITY.
SO THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE, WOULD, UH, REQUIRE FENCING AROUND DATA CENTERS TO BE LANDSCAPED TO MINIMIZE VISIBILITY FROM EXTERNAL ROADS AND ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT.
FURTHERMORE, SECTION G SIX WOULD REQUIRE SIGNS FOR DATA CENTERS TO BE OF A GROUND MOUNTED MONUMENT TYPE DESIGN.
NO LARGER THAN 32 SQUARE FEET AND NO TALLER THAN 10 FEET.
SEE, YOU WENT BACK AND YOU, THE PICTURE THAT YOU SHOWED OF THE FENCE WAS LOVELY, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE KIND OF FENCE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO WE DON'T REQUIRE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF FENCING, THAT'S WHY, UNLESS IT'S LOCATED ON A, UH, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SAY THAT WAS A LOVELY FENCE IN OUR DREAMS. YES.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE HOPE FOR IS THAT THEY WOULD COVER THAT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, THAT THAT'S A REQUIREMENT.
SO THE LAST PROVISION IN THIS SECTION IS DESIGNED TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS BY REQUIRING DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT RENDERINGS OR PHOTO SIMULATIONS OF THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT IN PERSPECTIVE VIEW, AND ALL PROPOSED STRUCTURES THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM EXTERNAL ROADWAYS.
SO THE LAST TOPIC IS SAFETY PROVISIONS.
FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PUBLISHED A SET OF GUIDELINES FOR DATA CENTERS TITLED YORK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS FOR DATA CENTERS, WHICH THEY'LL PUBLISH ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.
YOU RECEIVED A COPY OF THESE GUIDELINES IN YOUR POCKET.
A DATA CENTER DEVELOPERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION DESCRIBING HOW THE PROPOSED DATA CENTER WOULD ADDRESS THE GUIDELINES.
SECTION H TWO PROHIBITS PARKING SPACES FROM BEING LOCATED WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE BUILDING TO ALLOW FIRE APPARATUS UNOBSTRUCTED ACCESS.
SECTION H THREE REQUIRES DRIVE AISLES TO BE DESIGNED WITH A MINIMUM TURNING RADIUS OF 33 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE ALL YORK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, UH, APPARATUS AND SECTION H FOUR REQUIRES AN EMPLOYEE EVACUATION PLAN.
AND SECTION H FIVE REQUIRES A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL PLAN.
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BOTH SHALL BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.THOSE SECTIONS, UH, I THROUGH K ALL CONTAIN REQUIRED ACTIONS REGARDING DECOMMISSIONING.
IN THE EVENT OF A DATA THAT A DATA CENTER SEIZES, UH, OPERATIONS DATA CENTERS HAVE VALUABLE EQUIPMENT AND STORE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES AND, UH, FUEL FOR BACKUP, UH, POWER.
FOR THESE REASONS, AN ABANDONED DATA CENTER COULD POSE A PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY RISK AND CAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS SIMILAR DECOMMISSIONING REQUIREMENTS FOR SOLAR FARMS AND GAS STATIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DURING ITS SEPTEMBER 11TH AND NOVEMBER 13TH MEETINGS AND VOTED FIVE TO ZERO WITH MR. KRINER AND MR. CHAMBERLAIN ABSENT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BUT FINALLY THE REASON FOR THIS WORK SESSION IS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS SO WE CAN MAKE ANY NECESSARY REVISIONS BEFORE WE, WE PRESENT THEM DURING PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
CAN, I'M GONNA LET YOU START BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE FIGHTING TO DO IT.
BRIAN AND I HAD A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION AT VML, WHICH IS, UH, VIRGINIA MUNICIPAL LEAGUE MEETING AT GOVERNMENT DAY, AT, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND WE HAD TALKED TO, UH, A LADY THERE WHO WAS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN THE LYNCHBURG AREA.
AND THE QUESTION ASKED WAS, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY KNOWING, UH MM-HMM
FIRST OF ALL, SHE SAID VOLTAGE, VOLTAGE IS BY FAR THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
MOST DATA CENTERS REQUIRE 750 KV.
WE DON'T HAVE 750 KV IN YORK COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH TRANSMISSION LINES ACROSS THE JAMES ARE ONLY 500 KV.
SO WHAT IS THE VOLTAGE REQUIREMENT OF THE DATA CENTER? THAT'S, THAT'S ISSUE NUMBER ONE.
IF YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SEVEN 50 KV, DO YOU REQUIRE EMINENT DOMAIN? BECAUSE WHAT THEY DISCOVERED IN THE LYNCHBURG AREA IS ONCE THEY HAD APPROVED THE DATA CENTER, THEN THE RIGHTS TO WHERE THE ELECTRICAL LINES GOT PLACED TRANS, UH, WAS NO LONGER WITHIN THEIR CRITERIA.
IT, IT BECOMES A, A DOMINION ENERGY.
AND THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF POINT NUMBER TWO.
WHAT IS THE PROPOSED CAPACITY? SO WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS THE DATA CENTER WAS COMING ALONG.
THEY WERE DEFINING THEIR UTILITIES BASED ON THE PROPOSED CAPACITY.
BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT SERVERS GET SMALLER WITH TIME AND THEY TAKE OUT THE OLD SERVERS AND THEY PUT IN NEW ONES.
AND THE NEW ONES ALLOW THEM TO GENERATE MUCH MORE CAPACITY WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING.
BUT THEIR UTILITIES GO WAY UP.
THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT IN TERMS OF LOAD GROWTH.
WHAT WILL THEIR ULTIMATE LOAD GROWTH BE ONCE THEY'RE FULLY UP AND RUNNING AND HAVE MADE CHANGES BEYOND THAT LOAD ON VOLTAGE OR WHAT? IT, IT'S, UH, JUST THE SHEER NUMBER OF SERVERS COULD DOUBLE ON YOU IF, IF THEY'RE ALL SMALLER.
SO THEY NEED, SO THEY NEED MORE POWER.
SO THEY NEED DOUBLE THE POWER, DOUBLE THE WATER.
UM, AND, AND SO THERE NEEDED TO BE A LIMIT SET.
AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND BEYOND THAT, THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
IT'S LIKE A, IF YOU GO PAST 25% OF YOUR CAPACITY, DO YOU HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A GOOD PERMIT? THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ISSUES ON ENERGY USAGE ON WATER.
UM, WELL, ON WATER AND, AND ENERGY.
SHE WAS SAYING YOU NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CONSUMERS, YOUR RESIDENTS AREN'T PAYING THE WHOLE BILL FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO HOW DOES THAT GET ADDRESSED BY THE DEVELOPER? IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF THE COST OF TRANSMISSION LINES AND A SEVEN 50 KV SYSTEM GETS PASSED ON TO ALL THE RESIDENTS IN YORK COUNTY, UM, UH, TO FOOT THE BILL FOR THAT, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
YOU CAN'T RUN IT ACROSS THE JAMES, MEANING JAMES RIVER.
YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A, YOU'D HAVE POWER PASS POWER.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS, UH, A SIMPLE ONE, BUT IT'S GENERATORS.
GENERATORS CAN BE TESTED FOR AN HOUR ONCE A WEEK.
I'VE, I'VE RUN REFINERIES ALL OVER THE WORLD.
MORE THAN, THAN NOT EVEN A WEEK.
AND THIS SAYS DAILY ON WEEKDAYS.
THEY CAN'T DO IT IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA DO THAT OFTEN.
'CAUSE IT COULD BE SO DISRUPTIVE.
I MEAN, IF IT SWITCHOVER DOESN'T WORK RIGHT.
OUTAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WANNA RUN IT MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.
BUT THOSE WERE THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, UH, THAT I A VERY INFORMATIVE, VERY EYE OPEN.
WHAT ABOUT DOMINION ENERGY CHARGING THE DATA CENTER? OR, OR DOES IT GO THROUGH THE COUNTY? BECAUSE I READ SOMETHING THAT, THAT IT HAPPEN, IT'S, IT'S GONE BOTH WAYS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF VIRGINIA.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T GET IT ON OUR BILL.
THAT IT GOES TO THE DATA CENTER.
THE DATA CENTER HAS TO PICK UP THE BILL FOR THE ENERGY THAT THEY USE.
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SO JUST TO ANSWER MR. ROY'S QUESTIONS, I THINK THE, THE FIRST PART, THAT SEVEN 50 KV QUESTION IN THE WATER USAGE, I THINK THAT 4 89 A HANDLES THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A LETTER FROM BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES, THOSE UTILITIES TO THE COUNTY TO PROVE THAT THEY ONE, ARE GETTING ENOUGH POWER AND HOW ARE THEY GETTING IT AND WHERE IS THEIR WATER COMING FROM AND IS IT GONNA BE ENOUGH? AND I THINK IT, WHEN WE GOT THOSE LETTERS, THOSE WOULD BE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WOULD BE ASKING.YOU KNOW, ARE YOU MEETING YOUR NEEDS? YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE? YOU KNOW, ARE THE LINES ENOUGH? IS THE POWER ENOUGH? THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WOULD WANT THOSE LETTERS TO ANSWER.
SO THE KEY ONE MISSING FOR ME WAS PROPOSED LOAD GROWTH OF CAPACITY AND, AND WHEN THEY GO BEYOND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THEIR ORIGINAL INSTALL CAPACITY, AND WHEN DOES IT COME BACK? BECAUSE WE COULD ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, IF WE'RE GETTING A LETTER FROM THE PURVEYOR SAYING THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY I'M USING, YOU COULD ALWAYS SET THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WITHIN THE USE PERMIT TO SAY YOU'RE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, 750, THAT'S IT.
IF YOU GO ABOVE THAT, YOU GOTTA COME BACK TO US AND CHANGE YOUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE GAME BEING PLAYED IS, UH, I MEAN YEAH.
NOT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR APPROVAL.
WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE THING, RIGHT? WELL, WHAT IF THEY DON'T GET THE APPROVAL? THEY WON'T HAPPENS, THEY'LL EXPAND, CLOSE THEM DOWN.
WELL THAT, OR THEY JUST KEEP AT CAPACITY.
THEY, THAT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT.
THEY CAN'T JUST GO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THEY STAY AT THE CAPACITY, THEY'RE AT MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENTS.
AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST THE GENERATOR.
THAT'S AN EASY, THAT'S AN EASY FIX.
I THINK THE, THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN IT FOR US? WHAT'S IN IT FOR US? OF COURSE.
BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT YOU WOULD CHARGE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY VALUE OR THE COST OF THE FACILITIES IS EXCLUDED BY STATE LAW.
SO, SO I'M NOT, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE ADVANTAGE IS TO A COUNTY TO HAVE A DATA CENTER.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE PRETTY WELL.
AND IS, ARE THERE INCENTIVES FOR YORK COUNTY FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR DATA CENTERS HERE? THERE MIGHT BE.
PARTICULARLY AS YOU TALK ABOUT THE OVERSEAS, UH, DATA, DATA LINE COMING INTO THIS AREA.
THERE COULD WELL BE ADVANTAGES ON WHY THEY'D WANT TO LOCATE HERE.
I DON'T DISPUTE THAT, BUT, BUT I'M SAYING REVENUE GENERATION IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE'VE MADE ALL, ALL DATA CENTERS IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT BY SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
THAT QUESTION WOULD COME TO YOU AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT THAT DATA CENTER.
FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT'S IN IT FOR WITHIN IT FOR US? YEAH.
AGAIN, ARE THEY, ARE THEY GENERATING REVENUE FOR YOUR COUNTY? IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE SITTING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING FOR IT.
THEY'RE USING ELECTRICITY AND USING WATER AND WE GET NOTHING FROM IT.
IT HAS TO BE SOME FINANCIAL GAIN FOR YOUR COUNTY FOR US TO THANK YOU.
TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MOST OF 'EM, IT COMES OUTTA TAX DOLLARS.
YOU'LL SEE IT IN YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND THEN EQUIPMENT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
THAT I, I CAN'T GET INTO THAT PART OF IT 'CAUSE I'M NOT A TAX EXPERT.
WELL, I THINK OF CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT.
WE HAD THE, UH, POWER PLANT AND THE REFINERY GOING HERE.
THAT WAS ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN, UH, IN REVENUE.
UM, SO THEY SHOW UP BASIC QUESTIONS, WHAT REVENUE, RIGHT? YES.
AND ALSO POTENTIAL JOB, JOB CREATIONS.
SO REAL QUICK, WHAT YOU SHARED WITH US, HOW SIMILAR IS THAT TO DATA CENTER ORDINANCES ELSEWHERE? SO WE LOOKED AT, UM, ORDINANCES, UH, ALL OVER VIRGINIA AND PULLED FROM A LOT OF THAT TO CREATE THESE.
SO ESPECIALLY PRINCE WADE, THAT'S WILLIAM HAS IS LIKE THE, THE LARGEST AREA WHERE YOU HAVE DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE REALLY WORKED WITH THEIR STAFF TO KIND OF CRAFT WHAT THEY HAVE, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE AND SEE HOW WE COULD UM, KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING A LOT OF THOSE THINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. OID HEARD, YOU KNOW, THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD IN REACTION TO ALLOWING DATA CENTERS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO POTENTIAL DATA CENTER DEVELOPER ISN'T COMING TO YORK COUNTY AND LOOKING AT THAT GOING, WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY, YEAH, LOOK, THAT LOOKS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN ELSEWHERE.
THEY MIGHT, I MEAN WE'RE OUR, UM, SIZE CAPACITY'S A LITTLE SMALLER THAN SOME OTHER PLACES, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP IT SMALL JUST TO KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL.
SO THAT THE BUILDING'S JUST NOT A MASS, A BUNCH OF MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, HUGE MILLION SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
SO WHEN WILL THIS BE ON OUR AGENDA TO VOTE? THIS IS JUST THE DISCUSSION.
SO PROBABLY BE AFTER YOUR BUDGET MEETING, BUT I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF YOUR AGENDA, SO, SO WE HAVE TIME FOR MORE QUESTIONS? YES.
THE 500 FEET, UH, BOUNDARY FROM RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL WORK, WAS
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THAT TYPICAL? UM, A LOT OF PLACES DID HAD, UM, A SMALLER BOUNDARY THAN THAT.UM, WE WANTED TO HAVE A BIGGER BUFFER THERE TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS.
WELL, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU BASING IT ON? UM, WE HAVE SOME OTHER STANDARDS SETBACKS THAT ARE ON 500 FOR OTHER INTENSE USES IN THE COUNTY.
LIKE, WHAT? DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I MEAN, DONALD, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME FARMING, AGRICULTURE, ALL SETBACKS ON PIGS AND HORSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING ELSE.
THE REASON I ASK IS THAT'S, I, YOU KNOW, BEING A GOLFER, I'M TRYING TO, I PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVES OF LIKE ABOUT A HUNDRED, NOT 150 YARD MARKER.
GETTING, TRYING TO, TO HIT A BALL INTO THE, TO THE GREEN.
AND, AND I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT NOISES FROM THESE THINGS.
I WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A NUMBER THAT WE, WE CAME UP WITH 'CAUSE WE FELT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE BEST PROTECTION.
I MEAN IF, IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT OTHER LOCALITIES TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, I MEAN WE CAN TRY TO BRING SOME COMPARISONS BACK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I SAW LIKE A LOT OF 200 FEET, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY KIND OF CENTRAL ON THE SITE BECAUSE THEY'RE SET BACK 200 FEET FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINES AND WE JUST WANNA PROVIDE THAT EXTRA RESIDENTIAL PROTECTION.
'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED BY THESE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMPLAINTS AS YOU KNOW, I'M LISTENING TO NOISE, UM, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS, ANY VIBRATION YOU GET FROM ALL THIS, OKAY.
UH, NOT VIBRATIONS AS MUCH, IT'S MORE OF THAT.
THERE'S A HUM I THINK IS WHAT IT THEY CALL IT.
SO FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY CAN'T HEAR IT AT ALL AND SOME PEOPLE SAY IT BOTHERS THEM VERY MUCH.
I MEAN THAT'S, I SAW SOME, SOME SHOW WHERE IT, IT HAD US HAD A REAL IMPACT ON PEOPLE THAT WERE SENSITIVE TO THE NOISE.
FIVE, 500 FEET, NOT 500 YARDS.
SO IT'S A WAY, IT'S NOT A DRIVER.
WELL I COULD HIT A DRIVER 500 YARDS AT ME.
WE WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH THE PRESENTATION AND WE'LL SEE YOU AT ANOTHER MEETING.
[CONSENT CALENDAR ]
UP TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR NOW.AND UH, WE'VE GOT NUMBER SIX AS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
SEVEN IS PENINSULA EVICTION REDUCTION PILOT PROGRAM NUMBER EIGHT IS DESIGNATE YOUR COUNT SQUARE APARTMENTS AS A REVITALATION REVITALIZATION AREA.
NINE SENTARA CARES COMMUNITY RECOGNITION AWARD.
IS THERE ANYTHING THERE THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL AND DISCUSS? IF NOT, UH, CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
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A CLOSED, UH, SESSION TONIGHT, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL THE NEXT TIME.OUR MEETING WILL BE AT 6:00 PM TUESDAY, MARCH 18TH.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING DISCUSSIONS.