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GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2024 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING TOGETHER.
UM, ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SILENCE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES.
AND CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. ROY? PRESENT? MRS. NOLL? HERE.
MR. DREWRY? PRESENT? MR. RONE? HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? ALL RIGHT.
[1* Presentation of the FY 2024 Annual Comprehensive Financial Report. Receive presentation from Danielle Nikolaisen, Director, Brown, Edwards & Company, L.L.P]
WE HAVE A RATHER EXTENSIVE AGENDA TO GET TO TONIGHT SO WE COULD GET RIGHT TO IT.AND FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR 2024 ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, AND THERESA OWENS IS GOING TO GET US STARTED.
WITH THAT, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
UM, TONIGHT OUR AUDITORS WILL BE MAKING THEIR REQUIRED COMMUNICATION TO THE BOARD, UM, ABOUT OUR ANNUAL AUDIT.
BUT FIRST I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE A FR STAFF WHO HAVE WORKED ON THIS ALL YEAR, BUT ESPECIALLY THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
UM, TONIGHT, KATIE BLAND IS HERE, AND KATHERINE ARO IS ALSO HERE.
UM, AMY SANTIAGO AND HEIDI OLSON, WHO ALSO WORKED ON IT, COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, THEY ARE LED BY OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, CAROLYN CRE.
SO CAROLYN, UM, HAS HIT A MILESTONE, AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MILESTONE TONIGHT.
CAROLYN HAS BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR 30 YEARS.
I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK HER FOR HER 30 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY.
SO NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE WITH BROWN EDWARDS, UM, DANIELLE OL LIASON.
AND THEY'RE GONNA REPORT TO YOU THE RESULTS OF THE AUDIT AND THE REQUIRED COMMUNICATION.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, AND LIKE THERESA MENTIONED, THIS IS KRISTY TURNER.
I WAS THE, UM, AUDIT DIRECTOR ON THE COUNTY'S AUDIT ENGAGEMENT.
UM, AND KRISTY TURNER IS THE ENGAGEMENT MANAGER.
UM, SHE WAS HERE, BOOTS ON THE GROUND WITH THE TEAM.
SO, UM, I'LL BE TURNING IT OVER TO HER FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE AUDIT.
UM, AND IT WENT REALLY, REALLY SMOOTHLY.
UM, FIRST YEAR WAS A BIG LEARNING CURVE, BUT THE SECOND YEAR WE REALLY GAINED A LOT OF TRACTION AND, UM, AND EVERYTHING WENT SUPER, SUPER SMOOTHLY.
UM, WE ALSO ARE THE AUDITORS FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE EDA AND THE, THE CDA.
UM, SO WE KIND OF WORK WITH FINANCE ON ALL OF THOSE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SCHOOLS.
UM, THERE'S A SEPARATE AUDIT TEAM THAT WORKS ON THE, ON THE SCHOOLS AUDIT.
UM, SO MY PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS GONNA JUST LAY OUT, UM, THE, AN OVERVIEW OF OUR AUDIT PROCESS, AND THEN GO OVER A SUMMARY OF THE AUDIT RESULTS.
UM, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TONIGHT TO GO IN DETAIL OVER THE, THE ACT FOR DOCUMENT.
UM, I KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN PRESENTED, UM, GIVING GOOD FOLKS SOME TIME TO LOOK OVER IT.
OUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS IN THE CORRESPONDENCE LETTER, SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THIS MEETING, ONCE YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO DIGEST EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, UM, OUR CONTACT INFORMATION IS THERE.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT.
SO JUST HIGH LEVEL, UM, THE AUDIT PROCESS REALLY STARTS IN THE SPRING.
UM, THAT'S WHEN WE START OUR AUDIT PLANNING AND OUR RISK ASSESSMENT.
WE DO INTERVIEWS, WE DO WALKTHROUGHS OF CONTROLS AND PROCESSES, UM, SPECIFICALLY THOSE RELATED TO FINANCIAL REPORTING.
AND WE ALSO, UM, PERFORM RISK ASSESSMENT BASED ON, UM, KEY CHANGES IN PERSONNEL, CHANGES IN SYSTEMS, THE AFFINITY SYSTEM THAT WAS SWITCHED OVER DURING THE YEAR.
AND THEN, UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTFUL TO THE CURRENT YEAR AUDIT IN JULY, WE START OUR COMPLIANCE TESTING.
SO, AND OUR AUDIT IS REALLY BROKEN DOWN INTO TO SORT OF THREE PIECES.
WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT, AND THEN WE HAVE A STATE COMPLIANCE AUDIT AND A FEDERAL AWARD PROGRAM COMPLIANCE AUDIT.
AND SO THAT IT'S SORT OF HAPPENING BETWEEN THE COURSE OF JULY AND AUGUST.
UM, SEPTEMBER IS REALLY DEVOTED TO THE EDA AND THE MCDA.
AND THEN OCTOBER IS WHEN WE KNOCK OUT THE REST OF THE COUNTY AUDIT.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE SIX MONTH PROCESS, UM, THE, THE AUDIT, AND WE JUST APPRECIATE MANAGEMENT'S COOPERATION WITH US THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF ALL THAT.
UM, SO AT A, AT A REALLY HIGH LEVEL, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT AUDIT, UM, IS, IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF, OF THE AUDIT REPORT.
UM, THIS IS WHEN WE COME IN AND WE AUDIT CASH RECEIVABLES, REVENUES, PAYABLES, ALL, ALL THE FINANCIAL FIGURES THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE STATE COMPLIANCE AUDIT.
SO THE STATE AUDITOR OR PUBLIC ACCOUNTS HAS A SET OF AUDIT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ADHERE TO, UM, TESTING OVER TREASURER'S, OFFICE, UNCLAIMED PROPERTY, THE, UM, COMMISSIONER'S, OFFICE, EXONERATIONS AND ABATEMENTS.
UM, WE COME IN AND LOOK AT, UM, DID I MENTION UNCLAIMED
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PROPERTY? UM, OH, YES.WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE AUTO REPORTS, UM, THAT WE ISSUE RELATED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE INTERNAL CONTROLS.
AND WE ALSO DO SOME PRETTY EXTENSIVE TESTING REQUIRED BY, UM, VRS RELATED TO THE CONTRIBUTIONS BY THE COUNTY TO THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE BEING MADE TIMELY AND THAT THE CENSUS DATA REPORTING TO THEM IS ALL, UM, ACCURATE AND COMPLETE.
WE ALSO DO SOME TESTING REQUIRED BY SOME STATE AGENCIES OVER SPECIAL WELFARE FUNDS, PROCUREMENT, CHILDREN'S SERVICES, FIRE PROGRAMS THAT WORK.
SO THIS IS A REALLY COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS THAT WE PUT YOUR TEAMS THROUGH, AND, UH, AGAIN, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE COOPERATION THAT WE GET FROM THEM.
UM, AND FINALLY, THE FEDERAL PROGRAM AUDIT.
UM, SO ALL FEDERAL PROGRAMS IN EXCESS OF A REQUIRED THRESHOLD, UM, HAVE TO BE AUDITED ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, A RISK ASSESSMENT IS PERFORMED ON THEM EVERY YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ROTATED IN OUT OF, OUT OF THE, THE NORMAL ROTATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO PERFORM RISK ASSESSMENTS ON THE SMALLER PROGRAMS. SO DURING FY FOR THE FY 23 AUDIT, THE MAJOR PROGRAMS AUDITED FOR THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS WHERE THE CHILD NUTRITION PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE, THE SCHOOL FOOD SYSTEM, THE HEAD START PROGRAM, WHICH IS SOCIAL SER ADMINISTERED BY SOCIAL SERVICES, AND THEN ALSO THE EDUCATION STABILIZATION FUND ALSO THROUGH THE SCHOOLS.
SO THOSE WERE THE THREE MAJOR FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT WERE TESTED DURING THE FY 24 AUDIT.
UM, SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE LARGE ACT FOR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT ACT FOR DOCUMENT, UM, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, I'LL JUST POINT OUT IT'S, IT'S BROKEN OUT INTO FOUR SECTIONS.
THERE'S THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION, THE FINANCIAL SECTION, THE STATISTICAL SECTION, AND THE COMPLIANCE SECTION.
SO THE INTRODUCTORY AND STATISTICAL SECTIONS ARE NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR AUDIT.
THEY'RE UNAUDITED INFORMATION.
UM, WE READ THIS INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH OUR AUDIT.
BUT WE DO NOT ACTUALLY TEST THAT INFORMATION, THAT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE OF OUR AUDIT, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN OUR AUDIT OPINION.
ALSO, WITHIN THE FINANCIAL SECTION, THERE'S A SECTION FOR MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS THAT ALSO IS UNAUDITED.
UM, IT IS, IT IS MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION.
UM, WE READ THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE AUDITED FIGURES.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT INFORMATION IS UNAUDITED.
SO ALSO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, THERE'S ONE AUDITOR'S REPORT IS THE FIRST ITEM UNDER THE FINANCIAL SECTION, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO ON THE COMPLIANCE SECTION.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE THREE REPORTS THAT I WAS MENTIONING, THE THREE PIECES OF OUR AUDIT.
UM, SO THE FIRST AUDIT REPORT STARTS ON PAGE B ONE, AND THAT'S THE, THE REPORT ON THE BASIC FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
UM, THE, OUR OPINION IS IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE FIRST SECTION.
UM, IN OUR OPINION, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE PRESENTED FAIRLY IN ALL MATERIAL RESPECTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT, UM, GENERALLY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES.
WE AUDIT IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT AUDITING STANDARDS.
SO THIS IS A CLEAN UNMODIFIED OPINION.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF ASSURANCE THAT, THAT YOU CAN GET OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC COMPANY TYPE OF AUDIT.
THE REPORT THEN GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT THE BASIS FOR OUR OPINION MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSIBILITIES, THE AUDITOR'S RESPONSIBILITIES, AND ALSO GOES ON TO DESCRIBE OUR OPINION OVER THE SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION.
AND ALL OF THOSE ARE, ARE CLEAN OPINIONS.
UM, FOLLOWING THE INDEPENDENT AUDITORS REPORT.
I'LL POINT OUT TO THE MANAGEMENT'S DISCUSSION ANALYSIS.
I POINT OUT EARLIER, THIS IS A REALLY NICE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE FINANCIALS.
THIS IS A REQUIRED COMPONENT FOR THIS ACT FOR DOCUMENT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE THE USER FRIENDLY VERSION, THE, THE NON-FINANCIAL SAVVY PERSONS VERSION
SO THIS IS, THIS IS A REALLY, AND THIS IS WHY WE SPEND A LOT, AND THIS IS WHY IT'S EMBEDDED IN THE FINANCIAL SECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNAUDITED, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO GIVE THE HIGH LEVEL, UNDERSTANDABLE, EASY, EASY TO UNDERSTAND REVIEW OF THE FINANCIAL.
SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD IF YOU DON'T READ ANYTHING ELSE, THIS, IT'S THE GOOD STUFF.
UM, BEHIND THAT ARE THE BASIC STATEMENTS AND THE FOOTNOTES.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S NOT MY INTENT TO GO OVER THE STATEMENTS INDIVIDUALLY OR IN DETAIL.
UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, NOTE ONE IS THE SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTING POLICIES.
THIS IS, UM, THE NOTE THAT DESCRIBES THE REPORTING ENTITY.
IT, IT DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY'S COMPONENT UNITS, WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
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UM, IT DESCRIBES THE NATURE OF THE FUNDS, WHICH ONES ARE MAJOR AND WHICH ONES ARE NON-MAJOR, AND IT ALSO POINTS OUT THE SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTING POLICIES BY AREA.SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST CRUCIAL NOTE OF, OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT JUST A COUPLE OF FOOTNOTES.
UM, NOTE FIVE ON, UH, PAGE F 19 IS THE CAPITAL ASSET NOTE.
AND NOTE SEVEN ON PAGE F 23 IS THE LONG TERM DEBT FOOTNOTE.
UM, THESE, THESE ARE ROLL FORWARD NOTES.
SO YOU START WITH THE BALANCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, THE INCREASES, THE DECREASES, AND THEN THE BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND IT, IT PROVIDES SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT SOME REALLY BIG NUMBERS
AND IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF CONTEXT BETWEEN THE INS AND OUTS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE YEAR.
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UM, AND, AND ALSO ON, UM, ON IN NOTE, UH, SORRY, ON IN NOTE 14, ON PAGE F 99, THERE IS, UH, A DISCLOSURE RELATED TO, UM, COMMITMENTS.
SO THIS IS A NOTE RELATED TO COMMITMENTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS ENTERED INTO, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY MEET THE QUALIFICATION FOR BEING SUPPORTED AS PAYABLES IN THE STATEMENTS.
AND SO WE THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT DISCLOSURE FOR THE USERS OF THE FINANCIAL.
ALSO, UM, I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THAT THERE WERE NO MATERIAL MISSTATEMENTS NOTED AS PART OF OUR AUDIT.
THERE WERE NO MATERIAL JOURNAL ENTRIES REQUIRED TO GET THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS UP TO, TO GET BASIS TO A CLEAN OPINION BASIS.
UM, THERE WAS ONE ADJUSTMENT THAT MANAGEMENT ELECTED TO PASS ON RELATED TO SOME PREPAID REVENUES IN THE SEWER FUND.
UM, THERE'S NO EFFECT ON FUND BALANCE.
THERE'S NO EFFECT ON REVENUES, AND THERE'S NO EFFECT ON EXPENSES.
AND SO WE TOOK NO EXCEPTION TO THE TREATMENT OF, UM, RECORDING THOSE AS, AS UNDER REVENUES.
UM, OUR FINAL TWO REPORTS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE DOCUMENT.
THE FIRST ONE STARTS ON PAGE M1.
UM, THIS IS THE AUDITOR'S REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROLS AND COMPLIANCE.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD REPORT ANY FINDINGS RELATED TO STATE COMPLIANCE FINDINGS.
AND ALSO, UM, IF WE HAD NOTED ANY DEFICIENT SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES OR MATERIAL WITNESSES AND INTERNAL CONTROLS, THOSE WOULD BE REPORTED HERE.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CLEAN VERSION YES.
OF UNMODIFIED VERSION OF THIS REPORT.
UM, WE DO MAKE REFERENCE TO ONE COMPLIANCE FINDING RELATED TO CONTROLS WITH SOCIAL SERVICES.
AND THAT'S REPORTED ON PAGE M 10, WHICH I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT JUST A SECOND.
UM, THE, THE THIRD AND FINAL REPORT IS THE REPORT ON FEDERAL PROGRAM COMPLIANCE.
UM, AGAIN, THE MAJOR PROGRAMS WHERE CHILD NUTRITION HEAD START AND THE, UM, EDUCATION STABILIZATION FUND.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE OPINION IS IN THE SECOND P SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE FIRST SECTION.
IN OUR OPINION, THE COUNTY COMPLIED IN ALL MATERIAL RESPECTS WITH THE DIRECT AND MATERIAL COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS IS A CLEAN REPORT ON FEDERAL PROGRAM COMPLIANCE.
AND THE SECOND PART OF THIS REPORT ADDRESSES INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER COMPLIANCE.
HAD THERE BEEN ANY, UM, SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES OR MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IN INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER COMPLIANCE, THOSE WOULD BE REPORTED HERE ALSO.
SO THIS IS THE UNMODIFIED VERSION OF A REPORT ON INTERNAL CONTROL.
UM, ON PAGE M 10 IS THE, THE SPOILER THAT I DON'T LIKE TO TALK TO UNTIL TALK ABOUT UNTIL THE VERY END.
SO THE SUMMARY OF AUDITOR'S RESULTS, IT ESSENTIALLY SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING THAT I'VE JUST SAID TO YOU.
UM, BUT IT JUST KIND OF BULLETS OUT UNMODIFIED OPINION, NO FINDINGS, NO COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
UM, IT LABELS OUT THE, THE, IT LISTS OUT THE MAJOR PROGRAMS. AND SO AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE, YOU'LL NOTE THE, THE FINDING RELATED TO THE, UM, SOCIAL SERVICES INTERNAL CONTROL FINDING IS RELATED TO SOME ACCESS.
IT ACCESS THAT WASN'T REMOVED TIMELY.
AND THIS IS JUST A CONTROL FINDING.
WE DIDN'T FIND ANY MISAPPROPRIATION.
UM, THERE WAS NO MISUSE OF FUNDS.
UM, AND WE DO SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIVE TESTING THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, UM, IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THIS IS STRICTLY A CONTROL IT ACCESS SORT OF THING.
AND IT, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO THE STATE.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY, AND THERE WAS A WEEKEND INVOLVED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT THERE TO THAT ALSO.
AND MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE AND THEIR CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN IS INCLUDED THERE ALSO.
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THAT'S THE, THE, THE, THE GIST OF THE PRESENTATION.UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD A FULL DOCKET AHEAD OF YOU TODAY, SO I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME, BUT I ALSO WANT, I DON'T WANNA JUMP OUT BEFORE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT, SIR, WE'LL GO AROUND THE TABLE, MR. ROY, Y YOU KNOW, UH, ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
STANDARD ONE I WOULD ASK IN ANY, UH, BOARD MEETING WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE FULL AND UNFETTERED ACCESS TO ALL FINANCIALS AND ALL PERSONNEL WILL REQUIRE? WE DID.
AND I GUESS THE SECOND ONE, WE HAD TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THIS YEAR.
ONE WITH THE SOFTWARE CHANGE AND ONE EFFECTIVELY THE, THE, UM, ASSESSMENT CHANGE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR ON, ON PROPERTY.
UH, DO YOU FEEL THAT BOTH AREAS WERE WELL REVIEWED? AND WERE THERE ANY ISSUES AS A RESULT OF YOUR AUDIT? THERE WEREN'T ANY ISSUES FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW.
UM, MANAGEMENT WAS ABLE TO, I THINK THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST, UM, THING THAT WE NOTICED FROM OUR SIDE WAS THE, THE FINDING OF THE RIGHT REPORTS TO SATISFY WHAT WE NEEDED FOR OUR AUDIT.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE REPORTS, THEY ALL TIED OUT.
THEY WERE ABLE TO BE TESTED WITHOUT EXCEPTION, AND EVERY, EVERYTHING SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO BE DONE AS WE NEEDED THEM TO BE DONE.
DO MY READING LATER, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION SURE.
AND THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO IT.
AND GLAD IT WAS, UM, IT WAS A GOOD EFFORT ON BOTH SIDES.
AND, UH, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE'RE KEEPING OUR FUNDS AUDITED AND, AND THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
CAN YOU QUICKLY, QUICKLY EXPLAIN HOW TESTING WORKS? WHEN YOU SAY Y'ALL, YOU KEPT SAYING, I TESTED THIS TEST.
I TESTING, I LIKE TO SAY THAT WORD A LOT.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TESTING
SO IN TERMS OF CASH, WE WOULD CONFIRM BALANCES DIRECTLY WITH THE BANK, AND THEN, UM, LOOK AT OUTSTANDING CHECKS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE DATED IN THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, YEAR.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, WE MAKE SURE THAT THE WAY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE SET UP, BUT THERE'S A REALLY NICE BUILT IN SEGREGATION OF DUTIES BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONER, THE TREASURER AND FINANCE.
AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT SEGREGATION OF DUTIES IS IN PLACE AND THEN USE THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO TEST ONE ANOTHER.
SO IN TERMS OF TESTING TAXES, RECEIVABLE, AND REVENUE, WE RELY ON A LOT OF REPORTS FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE FOR THAT.
UM, WITH THE PENSION AND OPE, OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFIT FOOTNOTES, UM, ARE, THERE'S SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS THAT ARE REPORTED IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS RELATED TO THOSE.
AND WE ARE BY NO MEANS ACTUARIES, BUT THEY'RE ALL ACTUARIALLY DETERMINED.
SO WHEN WE TEST THOSE BALANCES, WE ACTUALLY, UM, DO SOME RESEARCH INTO THE ACTUARIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REPUTABLE AND RELIABLE, PROPERLY CERTIFIED AND QUALIFIED.
AND THEN WE RELY ON THEIR REPORTS.
SO WHEN WE'RE TESTING PENSION AND YOUR SELF INSURANCE LIABILITY, THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY TESTING THAT.
DOES THAT HELP? SO TESTING BASICALLY IS JUST A, IT'S HOW WE VERIFY THE REVIEW VER YEAH.
MR. DO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK AND THE STAFF.
I WANNA THANK, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GO THROUGH THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND FORTUNATELY FOR US YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE ALWAYS GET A CLEAN AUDIT, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO AND YOU VERIFY WHAT THEY DO.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT SO VERY MUCH.
SO THIS IS A GOOD REPORT STUFF BEFORE YOU WANNA SEE.
UM, AND ALSO GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE TRANSITION TO THE NEW SYSTEM DIDN'T CAUSE ANY ISSUES.
I KNOW THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC AND GRIP REGULAR CHALLENGE.
SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT WAS EXECUTED WITHOUT ISSUES.
AND LIKE MR. NOLE SAID, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THE FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT KEEPING THINGS IN LINE.
SO WE GET A REPORT LIKE THIS EVERY YEAR.
SO GREAT JOB WITH THERE, THERE AS WELL.
UM, ARE THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS THAT, WELL, WE ARE IN LINE, THINGS WE COULD DO BETTER.
IS THERE A READOUT ON THAT SO WE CAN LOOK INTO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE DRAFTED IN WRITING RELATING TO ANY, SO WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY CALL THAT AS A MANAGEMENT LETTER COMMENT, UM, IF WE'VE NOTED ANY INTERNAL CONTROL, WE'LL CALL THEM OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WE NOTED DURING THE AUDIT THAT WARRANTED ANYTHING TO, TO BE WRITTEN UP WITH IN THAT REGARD.
UM, I THINK THAT PERSONALLY THAT THE COUNTY IS VERY WELL RUN, UM, IN TERMS OF THE FINANCE AND REPORTING OFFICE, UM, THAT REPORTS THAT THEY GIVE US, WE NEVER QU HA HAVE CAUSE TO QUESTION
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RELIABILITY.THE RESPONSES THEY GIVE US, WE NEVER HAVE CAUSE TO QUESTION, UM, INTEGRITY.
DO YOU, DO YOU ALSO AUDIT, UM, UM, FORECAST AND, AND PROJECTIONS? NO.
TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T, SO, OKAY.
AND THE LAST THING, THE, THE, THE FINDINGS ON M 10, THE SS TERMINATED, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS ELECTRONIC ACCESS, NOT PHYSICAL ACCESS TO YES.
AND, AND VIRGINIA RECOMMENDS THREE DAYS SINCE TERMINATION.
WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION LATER THOUGH.
SO STATE, THAT'S STATE, THAT'S NOT ME.
HAVE TO KEEP A AROUND FOR THREE DAYS.
IT'S THE MAXIMUM OF THREE DAYS, NOT ME, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR DOMAIN ACCESS.
DON'T HAVE TO GET ON THE DOMAIN.
THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE, THE VIRGINIA SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM.
SO THEY'RE GOING DIRECTLY THERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORT.
APPRECIATE THE REVIEW THIS EVENING.
AND, UM, THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE ONE MORE STEP AND THANK MARK AND HIS ENTIRE STAFF.
THIS IS SUCH A CLEAN RECORD AND, UH, PHENOMENAL JOB.
[2. Capital Improvements Program. Receive presentation from Mark L. Bellamy, Jr., County Administrator.]
HERE UP NEXT TO REVIEW OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM COMING UP.SO HERE'S OUR OPENING SLIDE HERE, AND I DID WANNA PAUSE BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER.
AND I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS HERE I'D LIKE TO MAKE BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
SO YOU NOW HAVE YOUR, UH, CIP BOOKS IN FRONT OF YOU.
UH, GREG AND THEREA BROUGHT THOSE WITH THEM TONIGHT.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR HOMEWORK.
YOU GOT PLENTY OF HOMEWORK TONIGHT.
YOU GOT YOUR
THERE'S PLENTY TO WORRY ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO YOUR BOOK DOES COVER FISCAL YEARS 26 THROUGH 31.
BUT TONIGHT IN PARTICULAR, I'M GONNA SPEND MOST OF THE TIME TALKING ABOUT 26.
THERE'LL BE SOME OVERARCHING COMMENTS ABOUT THE ENTIRE TERM OF THE CIP, BUT MOST OF IT'S GONNA BE TARGETED TOWARDS 26 MM-HMM.
AND THE REASON WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS I THINK THAT'S THE YEAR THAT YOU'RE COMMITTING FUNDS TO, THAT'S THE YEAR THAT'LL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET WHEN WE GET TO THAT IN MARCH.
SO THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF TIME IN THIS PERIOD TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE ENTIRE CIP.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MUCH LIKE LAST YEAR WHERE WE GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE FINANCE STAFF AND TALK ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET, WE'RE GONNA DO THE SAME THING WITH THE CIP.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTO THE OFFICE, SIT DOWN, MEET AS LONG AS YOU'D LIKE TO WITH THE FINANCE STAFF, TALK ABOUT YEARS 26 THROUGH 31.
THEY'RE GONNA RECORD YOUR SUGGESTIONS.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK TOGETHER FOR THE RETREAT JANUARY, WE'RE GONNA BRING ALL THOSE SUGGESTIONS TOGETHER, SHARE THEM WITH YOU ALL AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT OF THESE DO YOU WANT? WHAT CHANGES DO YOU WANT TO MAKE? AND SO WE WILL INCORPORATE THOSE AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF WE NEED EXTRA TIME, IF YOU RECALL, I'VE SENT YOU A MEMO TWICE THAT TALKS ABOUT EXTRA MEETINGS THAT WE'VE SCHEDULED.
UH, SO WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE TIMES TO TALK ABOUT CIP.
AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDE THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT TONIGHT, THIS CIP IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU THREE MONTHS EARLIER.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THE TIME, YOU NEED TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR, BUT THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH NEW MEMBERS COMING ON THE BOARD, UH, FORMER ADMINISTRATOR LEAVING.
SO THOSE ALL HAD AN IMPACT ON THE TIMING OF ALL THE PRESENTATIONS.
WE WON'T HAVE THAT LIMITATION THIS YEAR.
SO I THINK YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK.
SO I'M, I'M, UH, HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO, REAL QUICK, THE DATE OF THE RETREAT, UH, IT IS THE LAST THANK YOU.
JUST WANNA GET THAT ON THE CALENDAR.
SO THE NEXT FOUR SLIDES ARE PRETTY BASIC.
I, I THINK, UH, ALL OF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING IT, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO WHAT IS THE CIP? SO, UH, BASICALLY IT'S THE ROADMAP, UH, THAT WE USE MM-HMM.
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IN THE CIP, AND I'LL TALK AGAIN ABOUT THIS, BUT IT IS A FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE PLAN THAT INCORPORATES THE DEBT POLICIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO.AS I MENTIONED, YEAR ONE OF THE CIP IS TALK IS TALKING ABOUT THE COMMITMENTS THAT WE WILL MAKE 4 26.
THE REST OF THIS, UH, 27, 28, 29, 30, AND 31, THOSE ARE ALL PLANNING YEARS.
AND SO EVERY YEAR WHEN WE BRING THE CIP COMMITTEE TOGETHER, UH, THEY GET TOGETHER AND THEY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE, UH, THE PRICE OF THINGS CHANGE.
IT COMES DOWN SOMETIMES, AND THEN SOMETIMES THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT IS NOT EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO WE MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
NOW, GENERALLY, WHEN A DEPARTMENT ASKS FOR A NEW PROJECT, WE GENERALLY PUT THEM THE OUT YEAR, LIKE 31.
BUT, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, WHERE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IS WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A SPACE STUDY LATER WHERE YOU ALL MADE A TOUR THROUGH THE COURTHOUSE AND THE JUDGE HAS MADE AN APPEAL THAT HE MAY NEED SOME MORE SPACE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT EVALUATED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE PUT IT IN THE FRONT OF THE CIP.
SO THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE, SO I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO, ONE THING, UH, AFTER LAST YEAR, ONE THING THAT WE SAT DOWN AND HAD A LITTLE DEBRIEF ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE FELT LIKE WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB WITH, WE WERE RUSHED LAST YEAR.
WE DIDN'T GET TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS, ET CETERA.
SO WE WANNA SPEND MORE TIME TALKING THIS YEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET YOU TO THE POINT WHERE I PRESENT THIS TO YOU.
SO WE CONVENED THE CIP COMMITTEE.
EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY HAD A REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, AND THE SCHOOLS PARTICIPATED.
THEY MET, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, REVIEWED ALL THE PROJECTS, ET CETERA.
THEY TALKED ABOUT EACH OTHER'S PLANS, UH, AND THEY MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE PLANS.
I HAD A COMMENT WITH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND AN APPEAL TO THEM TO WORRY ABOUT THE COUNTIES AS A GREATER GOOD AND NOT TO BE SO WORRIED ABOUT THEIR INDIVIDUAL APART DEPARTMENTS.
SO I, I THINK THEY'VE DONE THAT HERE.
I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.
MS. NOLL HAS, HAS THIS DEVIATED FROM WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST? NO.
THIS IS MUCH LIKE, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
I, THIS IS MUCH LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, EXCEPT THE SCHOOL PARTICIPATION IS NEW.
SIR, THEY HAVE PARTICIPATED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AT AT LEAST 8, 8 10.
I THOUGHT THEY FLEDGED IN LATER.
UM, SO THEY PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION TO ME.
UH, I'VE TAKEN THAT RECOMMENDATION.
GREG AND I SAT DOWN AND, UH, WENT THROUGH IT AGAIN.
UH, WE MADE SOME MORE ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TO THE PLAN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS.
SO THIS, THIS TABLE RIGHT HERE, THIS CHART SHOWS WHAT WAS REQUESTED.
SO IN OCTOBER, WE HAD A BUDGET CALL MEETING WHERE WE GOT ALL THEIR DEPARTMENT HEADS TOGETHER AND THE SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE THAT HELP, UH, PUT THE BUDGET TOGETHER, THE ROOM WAS PACKED BY THE WAY.
UM, AND WE TOLD THEM WHAT THE EXPECTATION WAS.
AND BASICALLY WHAT I TOLD 'EM WAS, YOU CAN ASK FOR ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THE ECONOMY IS, IS DOING WELL, BUT THE TAXES AND THE REVENUES THAT WE GET ARE SALES REVENUE ARE STARTING TO FALL FLAT.
SO WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE DO.
SO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THE THINGS YOU REALLY NEED, BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED TO US.
SO THAT YOU AS A BOARD UNDERSTAND IT, ADMINISTRATION UNDERSTANDS IT.
SO THAT WHEN WE MAKE PRIORITY DECISIONS, THAT WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
SO THEY NEEDED TO ASK, SO THIS IS A RESULT OF THEIR REQUEST.
IT'S $272 MILLION OVER THE SIX YEAR PERIOD.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE SCHOOLS.
AFTER THEIR DELIBERATIONS, THEY TOOK OFF $46 MILLION.
AND THEY SAID, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T NEED THESE THINGS, BUT THESE OTHER THINGS ARE A PRIORITY.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND WHAT WE GENERALLY SEE, UH, IN THE GROWTH OF REVENUES FOR THE COUNTY.
SO IT SHOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, BY COLUMN THERE EACH YEAR WHAT THEY ADDED OR TOOK OFF.
MOST OF THEM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH,
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THEY MADE CUTS AND THEY MADE SIGNIFICANT CUTS.WHO MADE THE CUTS? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT 'CAUSE I WAS GETTING READY TO MISS IT.
AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU ALL.
UM, SO I, I'M GONNA TALK TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND, BUT WHAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CIP THIS YEAR, IT IS NOT THE CIP YOU LOOKED AT LAST YEAR.
SO YOU, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
UH, ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT SI CHANGES THAT WERE MADE ON THE SCHOOL SIDE IS, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT CAME TO US AND SAID, I, WE WANNA COMPRESS, UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL RENOVATION BECAUSE IT WAS SPREAD OVER SEVERAL YEARS AND THEY FELT LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE TOO DISRUPTIVE AND THEY COULD GET IT ALL DONE IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
WELL, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MANY OCCASIONS.
WE HAVE A MODEL THAT WE USE TO DECIDE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND WHAT WE CAN'T AFFORD.
AND THAT REALLY, UH, CREATED SOME PROBLEMS FOR OUR MODEL TO COMPRESS IT ALL DOWN.
'CAUSE WE WERE SPREADING THE EXPENSE OF THAT OVER FOUR YEARS.
NOW WE'RE PUSHING IT INTO TWO.
SO WE HAD TO GO BACK AND MAKE SOME CHANGES AS SCHOOLS AGREED, UH, TO DO THE SAME.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK IT OUT AND, AND MEET, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT'S REQUEST.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER.
YOU KEEP REFERENCING THE SCHOOLS IN HERE AND IN THIS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SEE THE SCHOOL? BECAUSE THEY MADE THEIR OWN CIP, RIGHT? THEY DO PRESENT, THEY MAKE THEIR OWN CIP AND THEY COME TO THAT COMMITTEE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND THEY PRESENT THE CIP THEIR, THEIR, UM, THEIR PROJECTS ARE DISCUSSED IN COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE OURS ARE.
AND I'LL TALK TO YOU JUST ONE SECOND ABOUT WHAT THEY MOVED OR TOOK OUT OF THEIR CIP ALTOGETHER TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY REFLECTED IN THIS DOCUMENT HERE? UH, THEY'LL BE REFLECTED IN YOUR BOOK.
AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT.
SO JUST AS SOME EXAMPLES ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY MOVED, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY HAS ASKED FOR A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION FOR A LIBRARY.
THEY HOPE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON, UH, SOMETIME IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.
BUT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, WE'VE MOVED THAT OUT ANOTHER YEAR AND REDUCED THE, UM, CONTRIBUTION.
SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS.
UH, WE ALSO TOOK, THERE WERE TWO, UH, LINE ITEMS FOR GENERATORS.
WE COMBINED THOSE AND MADE ONE PROJECT OUT OF THOSE.
AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY BY DOING THAT AS WELL.
HOW? $1.3 MILLION BASED ON LIFECYCLE AND THE NUMBER OF GENERATORS THAT WE NEED TO BUY.
UH, WE ALSO SLOWED DOWN THE STREETLIGHT LED PROGRAM.
NOW THESE ARE, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
YOU ALL HAVE THE OPTION AS WE GO THROUGH THIS TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES YOU.
LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU CUT IT DOWN THE LEDS, WHAT PARTICULAR AREA DID YOU CUT OUT TO DOING IT? OR, OR IS IT JUST OVERALL? OVERALL.
SO IT'S NOT ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE CUT.
SO SLOWING IT DOWN, YOU SAVE $250,000 THE NEXT YEAR.
BUT THE OLD LIGHTS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE COST IS TO CONTINUE MAINTAINING THOSE LIGHTS DURING, DURING THE YEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 'EM? I MEAN, WHAT'S, UH, WE DO KNOW, I'D HAVE TO ASK SOMEONE FROM THE COMMITTEE IF, IF THEY TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
RIGHT OFF THE TOP I TOP OF MY HEAD HOPING IT DOESN'T COST MORE THAN THE MONEY WE SAVE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, WE ALSO REDUCED PARKING LOT REPAIR AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.
UH, PUSHING THOSE OFF AND, AND REDUCE THE CIP BY $550,000.
UM, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DELAYED OR DEFERRED BEYOND THIS CIP, IT WOULD BE LIKE IN 2032 OR BEYOND, UH, SYNTHETIC TURF CONVERSION.
SOME OF THE FIELDS, MOVING THOSE TO SYNTHETIC, UH, THE YORK PIER AND THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS REDUCED BY $1.4 MILLION.
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A FIVE YEAR SERVICE LIFE, WE'VE PUSHED SOME OF THOSE OFF.UM, SAVE A MILLION DOLLARS THERE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? SERVICE LIFE.
REPLACE, UH, BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO PERFORM THEIR FUNCTION BEFORE THEY BREAK, SO THAT THE TECHNOLOGY STAYS CURRENT WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
SO THE DATE OF TERMINAL'S IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAR YES SIR.
UM, HOW MANY DOES THE STREET, A FIVE YEAR CYCLE? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO BE, THAT'S ALL'S WE'RE GETTING OFF EVERY KIND OF, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED CARS.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE CHASING THE CARS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE KEEP, WE, WE BRING IN MORE DEPUTIES, THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE ADDING MORE AND MORE AS INSTEAD OF, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA REDUCE IT BECAUSE IF YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE MORE DEPUTIES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO CHASE THE, THE, THE CYCLE.
WE DID THIS IN THE SCHOOL, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL, UH, LAKE PHONICS FOR YEARS, AND IT WAS A STRUGGLE.
UM, SO I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS HERE, BUT I, I IMAGINE IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS CHASING IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PROCESS IS GONNA BE THE SMART WAY OF DOING THIS.
YOU KNOW, BUYING MAYBE AND BUYING EXTRAS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, A SMART MOVE EITHER.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THING TO LOOK AT.
IF WE HAVE, I DON'T WANNA SAY A THOUSAND OF THOSE THINGS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND THEY HIT THE FIVE YEAR LIFE CYCLE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT FIVE YEAR THAT'S GONNA STOP WORKING.
THEY'LL JUST CONTINUE WORKING BECAUSE THEY STOP WORKING.
AND YOU HAVE A POOL OF 20 SPARES PULL ONE A PULL THE BA ONE THAT SLIDE A NEW ONE IN IF A SPARE WORKS.
IF THAT'S A CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT LIKE A BATTERY, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE BATTERY JUST DIES ON YOU.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME, WE'RE ALWAYS CHASING THIS COM, CHASING THE COMPUTER, UH, DRILL.
AND WE CAN DO, WE CAN EVEN LOOK AT INSTEAD OF, I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE REPLACING ALL OF 'EM AT THE SAME TIME? OR DO WE DO 25% OF THE TIME? I'M GONNA ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FEW SLIDES, WHICH BE DONE.
SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, JULIA?
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THE SCHOOLS DID, UH, THEY DELAYED A, UH, PRESCHOOL PROJECT THAT THEY HAVE BY TWO YEARS DELAYED.
THE QUEENS LAKE, UH, EXPANSION BY ONE YEAR TO START IN FY 28, DELAYED YORK, UH, HIGH SCHOOL BUS AND ANNEX PROJECTS BY A YEAR, UH, TO START IN 31 AND DELAYED THE GRAFT AND COMMONS PROJECT, WHICH WOULD START IN FY 31.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE, THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES ON BOTH SIDES OF COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO STOP AND THANK DR.
SHANDOR'S STAFF FOR WORKING SO HARD ON THIS AS WELL.
WHAT'S THE GRAFTON'S COMMONS PROJECT LIKE YOU WERE ASKING? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, I'M, I'M HOPING IN THE LAYOUT FOR THE SCHOOLS AND STUFF, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GONNA GO WITH WHATEVER THE SCHOOLS TALK ABOUT.
BUT THE THING IS, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, THE READ ABOUT THE DETAILS, WHY, WHY THIS WAS BEING DELAYED.
WHY IS THE TURF BEING DELAYED? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE, THESE, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR 20 YEARS.
SO WHY, WHERE AND, AND HOW KIND OF THING.
WELL, I, WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU ON THE SCHOOL SIDE, DR.
THAT TAB HIGH SCHOOL WAS THEIR PRIORITY.
AND HE WAS WILLING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THEIR PLAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH THIS RECOMMENDED CIP IS IT REFLECTS WHAT HE WANTED.
BUT MARK, BACK TO, UH, THOMAS POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THE SCHOOL MATERIAL IN THIS BOOK.
WELL, IT'S NOT OUR, IT'S NOT OUR BUDGET.
CIP SHOULD BE, IT'S NOT OUR BUDGET'S, THEIR BUDGET.
GET WHAT WE GIVE 'EM MONEY FOR THOUGH.
IT ALWAYS HELPS JUST TO, GIVES YOU OVERVIEW, JUST TO KNOW, JUST AN OVERVIEW.
UM, THERESA, DID THEY NOT, THEY WON'T.
SO THEY WON'T DO THEIR CIP TILL NEXT MONTH, I THINK IT IS, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IN JANUARY YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE THEIR CIP, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED IT.
'CAUSE THEIR BOARD HASN'T SEEN IT ALL YET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, PART OF THE ISSUE.
SO WE TOOK ALL THOSE COSTS FOR THE SIX YEAR PLAN.
AND IN, IN THE TABLE ON THE TOP, THAT'S, UH, THE SCHOOLS AND THE GENERAL FUND CATEGORIES.
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MATCH WHAT YOU SAW, UH, EARLIER IN THE SLIDES.SO SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS THAT HAVE CIPS ASSOCIATED TO 'EM ARE STORM WATER, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, SEWER, WATER.
THOSE ARE ALL EITHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.
BUT SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS DRILL YOU DOWN TO THE DETAILS.
SO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS.
UM, DONE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SOME MINOR RENOVATION.
AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE RECOMMENDED CIP FOR 2026.
SO THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE IS OH, MM-HMM.
UH, THE, THE SPACE WHERE THE SHERIFF MOVED OUT IS GONNA BE SHARED, UH, BETWEEN FIRE AND, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES.
UH, WE'VE WE'RE, OH, WE'VE ALREADY WORKED THAT OUT.
AND, UH, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT WORK DONE.
UH, IN TERMS OF A AND E WORK, UH, UH, BETH IS HERE TONIGHT.
SHE'S, SHE'S ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT, BUT SHE'S HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ASK HER A QUESTION, SHE'D BE AVAILABLE.
SO YOUR CALL RENOVATIONS, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST A AND E MONEY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE WOULD DO AND LET THE ARCHITECTS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I THINK, UH, MR. WYATT HAS TALKED TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT CONSOLIDATING HIS ACTIVITIES.
HE HAS PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND FEELS LIKE IT WOULD BE A BETTER, UH, MORE EFFICIENT OPERATION IF HE COULD CONSOLIDATE THOSE.
AND WHEN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING IS OPENED, UH, HE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE, UH, BUILDING SAFETY BUILDING.
AND IT IS NOT, IT'S A GREAT BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL HIS STAFF.
SO WE NEED TO, TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
YOU TYPICALLY, UH, FUND THEM, UH, EVERY YEAR, 250, $300,000.
IT'S USED FOR GRANTS AND DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE.
AND, UH, KRISTEN REED IS INTERESTED IN AN OFFICE RENOVATION AS WELL.
WE BELIEVE THAT'LL BE ABOUT $50,000.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IT CONSOLIDATION, SINCE YOU GO TO CONSOLIDATE, WE ALSO OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE MONEY WE'RE SAVING BY GETTING OUT OF THE OTHER SPACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE SCATTERED AROUND TOO.
HOPEFULLY WE MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, I, YES, YOU'RE YOU ARE CORRECT.
WILL WE BE SAVING MONEY BY DOING IT? MARK, ON THAT LAST SLIDE, THE YES, SIR.
THAT'S JUST A AND E COST AT THIS POINT.
RIGHT? THERE IS, UM, $5 MILLION SENT IN A LATER YEAR, WHICH THE PUBLIC IS ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING.
WELL, I KNEW MR. DREW KNEW WHAT THAT WAS.
BUT ON KRISTEN REED'S REQUEST, IS THAT, UH, RELATED TO LONG-TERM STORAGE OF SOME OF THE FILES? OR HAVE WE DECIDED WHERE THAT WAS DIRECTED? WELL, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ALL OF THAT.
WE ARE WORKING ON, UH, DIGITIZING AS MANY OF THEIR FILES AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, THAT IS PART OF THE SPACE STUDY OKAY.
IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH SPACE WE MIGHT OPEN UP WITH THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
IS THAT IN HERE? UH, ITS SPACE STUDY IS REFLECTED IN THERE.
26 OR LATER IN 26 OR LATER 26.
UM, I SPOKE ABOUT THE, THE MOBILE DATA TERMINALS EARLIER.
SO WHAT WE DID, AND THE PAST YEAR WAS WE NEEDED, UH, A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
TO BUY ALL THE DATA JOURNALS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WE PUT HALF OF IT IN THIS YEAR AND HALF OF IT NEXT YEAR.
THEY WANT THEM ALL TO BE THE SAME.
SO AS SOON AS THE FISCAL YEAR MONEY IS AVAILABLE FOR NEXT YEAR, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED, THEY'LL BUY THEM ALL AT ONE TIME.
AND SO THEY'LL GET THE SAME MODEL FOR EVERY CAR SO THAT IF SOMEONE GETS IN A DIFFERENT CAR, THEY'LL HAVE, HAVE THE SAME COMPUTER, THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM, ET CETERA.
SO IT IT'LL BE UNIVERSAL AND A LITTLE EASIER FOR THE DEPUTIES TO MOVE AROUND.
AND THEY PROVIDE $25,000 A YEAR FOR WORK AT THE FIRING RANGE.
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THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY COUNTY MONEY.SO THAT'S EXPANSION IS MORE LANES OR WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY EXPANSION? UM, IT MIGHT BE OFFICE SPACE PARKING LOT, OR I'M NOT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MORE FIRING RANGE, UH, THAT THEY'RE ADDING.
I, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY PLANS FOR THAT.
I THINK THIS IS MORE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE MONEY.
SOUND, SOUND ABATEMENT POSSIBILITIES.
YOU CAN ASK HIM OR I'LL ASK HIM EITHER WAY.
SO MOVING ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY, MOBILE DE TERMINALS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, I MEAN FOR FIRE IS THE SAME ISSUE.
AND THEN THEY HAVE, UM, THREE FIRE TRUCKS, UH, PLANNED FOR PURCHASE IN FY 26, ASSUMING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS, UH, THOSE THREE FIRE TRUCKS WOULD BE, UH, SKY BOOM, WHICH IS, UH, UH, IT'S BASICALLY A LADDER WITH LADDER, A NOZZLE AT THE END OF IT.
UH, IT'S NOT REALLY MEANT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ON IT.
IT'S MEANT TO HAVE AN ELEVATED, UH, STREAM OF WATER THAT THEY COULD PLACE OVER THE TOP OF A FIRE.
I HOPE I DIDN'T BUTCHER THAT TOO BAD.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A TANKER ON THEIR LIST.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT PUTTING A NEW ENGINE AT THE NEW STATION.
SO PUBLIC WORKS HAS A, A LAUNDRY LIST OF PROJECTS HERE.
UH, MOST OF THESE ARE MAINTENANCE, UH, ORIENTED.
SO CERTAINLY WE WANNA PROTECT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.
SO, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART MONEY WELL SPENT.
WHAT IS TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS? TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE REED STREET, UH, SPORTS WAY, SIDEWALK AND CROSSWALK, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSS OVER FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE WHERE VINNY'S IS TO THE MAC WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS ON THE LIST.
AND THEN A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR YORK VILLAGE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE? AND NOTICE THE LAST ONE IS, UH, SPACE STUDY AND THE PARKING LOT REPAIRS THAT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.
IS THAT FOR JUST SPECIFICALLY THE COURTHOUSE? UH, NO.
AND THERE'S OTHER SPACE STUDY MONEY IN THIS, SO WE'LL BE USING SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? THE PARKING LOT REPAIR.
DID YOU HAVE THIS BOOK? IS THAT GONNA BE UNDER PUBLIC WORKS? YES.
SO THEY, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA REPAIR THE, THE THE GARAGE, RIGHT? THE GARAGE.
WELL, I MEAN WE, THIS IS WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UH, WE'VE GOT AN $80,000 TOING UP THERE.
AND WE'VE HAD TO REPAIR THE WHOLE THING A COUPLE TIMES, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO FIX, STOP THIS, IT BEING DAMAGE.
THIS, IT'S KNOW, THEY, THEY GOT SPEED BUMPS UP THERE NOW, BUT THEY DIDN'T STOP THEM THOUGH.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME SPEED BUMPS.
THE SHERIFF IS TAKING A REAL INTEREST IN IT.
WE PUT CAMERAS UP THERE SO THAT WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, WE CAN PROSECUTE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DAMAGING.
WE CAUGHT TWO OF THEM ALREADY.
AUTOMATIC GATE TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC IN AND YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT.
SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS.
THOSE, THESE WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IS THAT, DOES THAT KIND OF REPAIR IN THE CIP OR DO WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT? IT WOULD BE UNDER, UNDER, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I MEAN, WE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE ACTUALLY DID THE COATING WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT THE COATING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PUT ON THERE SOME 20 YEARS AGO WAS WORN JUST FROM DAILY DRIVING AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.
SO WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, BUT OCCASIONALLY WHEN IT'S DAMAGED, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT OVER AGAIN.
AND IT CHANGES THE WHOLE REPLACEMENT CYCLE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WELL, I'M JUST, I'M WONDERING HOW WE'RE CAPTURING THE $80,000, UH, BILL ON THESE THINGS.
ARE WE PLANNING FOR A FUTURE DAMAGE AND THEN WE GOT ANOTHER 80,000 LAID OUT IN THERE.
AND I, I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW THE OUTCOME.
I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN DOES, BUT I KNOW THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS WERE CHARGED.
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A TALK ABOUT, UH, THEIR INSURANCE HAVING TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGE TO THE PARKING DECK.I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT'S GONE YET.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN THAT LONG AGO.
AND, AND THIS ALSO THE, THE, THE BUILDING, THE PARKING LOT MAINTENANCE IS FOR PARKING LOTS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE PARKING DECK.
IT'S AT ALL THE PARKS, ALL THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS, ALL THE, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS.
SO THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE IN PUBLIC WORKS WHERE THEY OVERLAY OR REPAIR THE PARKING LOTS ON A, ON AN AS NEEDED, BUT ON A SCHEDULED BASIS ROTATION BASIS.
WELL I SEE THE BILL IN HERE FOR 325,000 IS TO PLAN.
IT JUST DOESN'T, JUST TALKS ABOUT CURBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST, I KNOW THIS IS HIGH LEVEL IN THE BOOK.
IT WILL HAVE SPELLED OUT EACH YEAR, WHICH, WHICH CYCLE OR WHICH PLAN AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO EACH YEAR.
THIS IS COMMUNITY SERVICES THERE, CIP, THERE ARE, UH, PLANNING FOR A PERMANENT RIVERWALK STAGE AREA.
ANY PERMANENT STRUCTURE BEHIND THE FREIGHT SHED.
UH, SOME SIGNAGE, UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF NEW SIDEWALKS AND, UH, YORKTOWN.
SO THERE'D BE SOME NEW WAYFINDING AND SIGNAGE THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THIS, UH, IS FFF AND E FOR FURNITURE, UH, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
AND THEN ALSO SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN CHARLES BROWN PARK.
SO, UM, TOM, TO YOUR POINT, EACH ONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAS A PAGE IN YOUR BOOK AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THAT CORRESPONDING PAGE AND IT'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE DETAILS ARE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE WITH THAT MONEY.
SPECIFICALLY HAVE SPEAKING WAYFIND, WAYFAIR, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT AN APP? UM, A WAY FINDING APP? YEAH.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN GO TO BUSCH GARDENS.
THEY GOT, THEY GOT THAT WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU AT IN THE PARK AND I DON'T KNOW BRIAN HAVE CHRISY.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WELL THE YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD HAS AN APP, UM, INTERNATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THERE IS A YORKTOWN TOUR APP THAT WE PROMOTE ON OUR TOURISM WEBSITE, UM, THAT IS, UM, DEVELOPED AND THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE APP.
SO THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE PROMOTE TO VISITORS.
BUT AS PART OF THE UM, DOCK MASTER, UM, PROJECT, WE ARE LOOKING INTO INTERACTIVE KIOSKS THAT WILL TIE INTO OUR WEBSITE.
SO WHETHER SOMEONE'S SEARCHING ON THEIR PHONE OR THEY'RE AT A TOUCH KIOSK IN OUR VISITOR CENTER, THEY'LL HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS TO ACCESS INFORMATION.
AND, AND THERE IS AN APP FOR THE TROLLEY AS WELL? YES.
YEAH, THE TROLLEY DOES HAVE AN APP AS WELL.
UM, FOR THE SCHOOL DIVISION, HERE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE, UH, PLANNED FOR 26.
SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THERE WAS A, UH, A NEW SEGMENT LAST NIGHT ON, UH, SCHOOLS AND THE PROBLEMS WITH PARENTS PICKING ALL THE CHILDREN UP RATHER THAN RIDING BUSES.
SO, UH, VERY TIMELY THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
IT WASN'T OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM BY THE WAY.
SO SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT GETTING RID TO YOUR SCHOOL BUSES? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY SAY CONGESTION DUE TO IT, CORRECT.
ALL I GOTTA DO, JUST WHAT WE DO IS MAKE IT A NO WALK SCHOOL.
ALRIGHT, SO HERE'S UH, HERE'S, HERE'S THE NUMBER FOR THE TAB.
SO ALL I JUST SHY OF $20 MILLION.
SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANT PROJECT.
AND THEN THEY HAVE OTHER PROJECTS HERE.
UM, LET'S SEE, HOW MANY CLASSROOMS WOULD THIS BE AS PART OF THE TOWN? UH, MR. ROY? I AM SORRY, I COULD NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTIONS.
SOMETHING I COULD FIND OUT FOR YOU FAIRLY EASILY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CLASSROOMS. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A RENOVATION FOR THE WHOLE SCHOOL.
I MEAN, THIS COULD BE ROOF AND ALL KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT.
UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE OTHER ITEM RIGHT THERE FOR THE 700,000, WANNA SHARE SOME OF THIS WITH YOU.
UH, MODULAR CLASSROOMS, 800 MEGAHERTZ RADIO REPLACEMENT.
UM, AND PA SYSTEMS AT, UH, BRU AND HIGH YORK, HIGH AND YORK DOWN THE MIDDLE AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS
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THAT WOULD FALL IN THE OTHER CATEGORY.WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE BUS LOOP AT THERE? THEY'RE GONNA ADD A LOOP SO THEY CAN CUE CARS OFF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
WHERE WERE THEY GONNA PUT THAT AT? I, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO I MENTIONED THAT, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS, WHETHER ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALSO HAVE CIP ITEMS. SO HERE'S A LOOK AT THE STORMWATER FUND.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.
UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION HERE, THAT 50%, SO WE HAVE THE MEALS TAX HERE IN A COUNTY.
HALF OF THAT MEALS TAX GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND.
THE OTHER HALF IS ALLOCATED BETWEEN STORMWATER, UH, THE SEWER FUND AND THE WATER FUND.
SO, UH, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, $2.7 MILLION GETS ALLOCATED BETWEEN STORMWATER AND SEWER.
IS THAT KEEPING UP? UH, WE COULD DO A LOT MORE STORMWATER IF WE HAD MORE MONEY.
WELL, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP, I DON'T, I, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE THERE, THERE USED TO BE THIS ISSUE OF STORMWATER FEES AND IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE A BUCK 50 A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE, I DON'T WANT, IF IT WAS JAMES CITY COUNTY OR ONE OF THE CITIES DID IT, AND THEN THEY, THEY BACKED OFF AND THEN THEY WENT BACK AGAIN.
AND I'VE SEEN SOME, I, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
I GUESS IT'S WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT OF DESPERATION, YOU STARTED STORMING WATER.
I MEAN, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT DO AND MOST OTHER LOCALITIES DO HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S TO MIGHT GET, WE MAY BEGIN TO A POINT WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, SOME OF THESE HOMEOWNER SUB ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE BMPS THAT THEY, WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY OR EASEMENTS THROUGH STONE WAR.
'CAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF EASEMENTS IN THE COUNTY.
AND THINK SHIELD, YOU'VE GOT 'EM TOO.
A LOT OF EASEMENTS AND, UH, AND JUST THEY GET CO THEY GET COSTLY TO MAINTAIN.
BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE 'EM WHERE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH FLOODING, THEN YOU END UP WITH ANOTHER PROBLEM.
IN FACT, STREAM RESTORATION WOULD BE KIND OF PART OF THAT.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD COME UNDER THE VEHICLE MAINTENANCE FUND, UH, THEY, UH, HAVE ASKED FOR A SPACE STUDY AS WELL OVER THE OVER TIME.
NOW REMEMBER THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1990.
SO, UH, IT'S ROUGHLY 35 YEARS OLD.
THEY HAVE MORE, UH, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT THAT THEY WORK ON AND IT DOESN'T ALL NECESSARILY FIT IN THE BUILDING.
UH, SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ABOUT WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE, UH, FOR DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND THEN ALSO TROLLEY REPLACEMENT.
UH, THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION ADMINISTRATION GENERALLY, UH, SHOWS THE TROLLEYS WITH A SERVICE LIFE OF 12 YEARS.
AND THERE'S A MILEAGE THAT'S ASSOCIATED TO THAT AS WELL.
WHAT WE, WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT DOING.
AND WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED HERE IS TO REPLACE, UH, ONE OF OUR LONG TROLLEYS WITH TWO SHORT TROLLEYS BECAUSE THEY'RE EASIER TO NAVIGATE IN YORKTOWN BECAUSE OF ALL THE SHARP TURNS AND, YOU KNOW, THE NARROW STREETS.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO RIDE TO THE TOP OF BUCKNER AND TRY TO MAKE THAT LEFT ON THE MAIN STREET.
WE CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE TROLLEYS THAT WE HAVE NOW, OR IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TO ADDRESS.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING ONE TROLLEY WITH TWO SMALLER TROLLEYS? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING PEOPLE TO, TO DRIVE THE TROLLEYS AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THE PERSONNEL ISSUE.
UM, YOU HAVE TWO, I DON'T KNOW.
CHRISTIE WOULD, ONE FOR TWO WOULD TWO.
WE HAVE POOL OF ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO 12 DRIVERS WHO DO, SO WE WOULD PRETTY WELL STAFFED, REQUIRE THAT MANY PEOPLE AND, AND THEIR, THEIR WORK IS REQUIRED.
THEY REQUIRED, THEIR WORK IS REQUIRED.
THEY'RE NOT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
GET A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS FROM THEM.
A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS ON THEIR WORK.
UH, SO IN A SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND, THEY HAVE ASKED FOR A PIECE OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.
NOT NECESSARILY A BACKHOE, BUT UH, A PIECE OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT TO HELP KEEP THE ROAD.
'CAUSE IF YOU RECALL, ONCE YOU GO PAST THE SCALES, THAT ROAD GETS TO BE GRAVEL OUT THERE.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE SELF SERVICE AND VSA TO GET BACK THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE DRIVING THROUGH
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CRATERS SOMETIMES.SO, AND, AND THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY UNDER THE LEASE.
SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR? MAINTAIN THAT.
UM, I SUSPECT THEY REALLY WANT TO GREATER.
THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD USE A GRATER IS ON THAT ROAD TALKING OVER SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU HAVE AN OLD I ON A GRATER HERE.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A MILE OF ROAD.
F*****G GET THAT BACKHOE IN THERE.
START POUNDING THAT GROUND IN THERE.
I THINK THE ENTRANCE, I THINK THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCALES IS THE WORST PART OF
THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.
SO THE SEWER UTILITY FUND, UH, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS JUST OPENED UP.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
THREE QUARTERS OF THE PIPE IS OKAY.
IT'S GONNA LEAK WHICH QUARTER'S MISSING? YES.
SO NOW I'M TRYING TO, WORKING ON THE MOUSE.
SO THE, THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR, UH, THE CIP.
YOU, YOU KNOW THAT WE DO CONTRIBUTE CASH, UH, OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET TO, TO PAY FOR SOME PROJECTS.
WHERE DO WE FIND THIS SENT? IN HERE.
IT'S ON THIS, HIS PRESENTATION.
SO BASICALLY, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY COMES FROM.
SO THIS WILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO LOOK AT BEFORE YOU MEET, UH, WITH THE FINANCE STAFF.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, I'M SURE THERESA WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR DEBT POLICY.
AND BASICALLY THERE ARE TWO, UM, TWO INDICATORS OF OUR AFFORDABILITY.
3% OF THE NET ASSESSED VALUE OF THE TAX PROPERTY.
UM, THE DEBT PRINCIPLE WILL NOT EXCEED THAT NUMBER.
SO IF YOU WERE CURIOUS, OUR ASSESSED TAX VALUE IS JUST SHY OF $13 BILLION.
WE VERY RARELY, UH, BUMP UP AGAINST THIS.
BUT IT IS A WAY TO MEASURE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M SORRY, SAY THAT SORRY FOR, JUST GO BACK.
I'M JUST GONNA SWALLOW THAT ONE.
YOU WHAT, 13000000012.9 BILLION OF WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE REAL ESTATE? OUR REAL ESTATE IN TAXABLE PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUNTY PROPERTY OR WHAT PROPERTY YOU REFERRING TO? RESIDENTIAL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
AND THEN WHAT? SO THAT'S THE DEBT PRINCIPLE.
THE PRINCIPLE ON THE DEBT SHOULD NOT EVER EXCEED 3% OF 13 BILLION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE JUDGE OUR SUCCESSES OR FAILURES AGAINST.
WE, WE, WE NEVER INCUR MORE THAN $400 MILLION AND THREE $90 MILLION IN DEBT.
IS THAT THE NUMBER? IS THAT THE MATH? YEAH, THAT'S THE MATH.
THAT'S WHAT, SO JUST DO A WHAT IF HERE.
SO WE GO BUY A SCHOOL FOR A HIGH, WE HAD TO GO BUY A HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH COST $200 MILLION.
WE GOTTA UP AGAINST SOMETHING.
THAT WOULD DEFINITELY CREATE SOME, CREATE SOME ISSUES FOR US.
ALMOST E SCHOOL IS GONNA CREATE AN ISSUE.
WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE MEET FOR YOUR ANNUAL RETREAT, I THINK I'VE SHARED WITH YOU ALL THE LAST TIME WE ALL MET ONE-ON-ONE THAT, UH, OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS ARE COMING AND THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THE MODEL.
AND SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UM, JUST A HINT OF, UH, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT AN ADMIN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? SO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS TAKE THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER FOR
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IT, UH, ESTIMATED NUMBER MM-HMM.AND SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AND SHOW YOU WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THESE NUMBERS AND WHAT IT WOULD REQUIRE TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A DISCUSSION ABOUT A SCHOOL RECENTLY AS WELL.
SO WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE FOR US? EXACTLY.
AND SO THE FINANCIAL ADVISORS ARE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT WITH US IN A, IN THEIR EXERCISE ON THE 31ST OF JANUARY.
LET'S JUST NOT MAKE THOSE SCHOOL DISCUSSIONS A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY THOUGH.
I
UM, THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT WE JUDGE OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES ON IS THE 10%.
UH, OUR DEBT WILL NOT EXCEED 10% OF THE BUDGETED GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, ON, UM, THE FIRST ONE TODAY, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER 1% PROJECTING FORWARD, WE THINK BY THE END OF THE CIP PLAN, IF YOU WERE TO ADOPT IT AS WE'VE PRESENTED IT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CLOSE ON THE SECOND ONE, THE 10%, THE TOTAL OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE.
THIS I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.
THIS IS, UH, THE EXISTING DEBT SERVICE AND WHAT WE PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF THAT SIX YEAR CIP, WHAT, UH, THE DEBT SERVICE LOOKS LIKE.
AND THIS SHOWS YOU THE OLD DEBT SERVICE AS IT ROLLS, UH, TOWARDS MATURITY AND THEN THE NEW DEBT SERVICE THAT WOULD BE, UH, ADDED TO IT.
AND HAVE WE ASSUMED ANY YEARLY SURPLUS PAID INTO THAT? YES.
HOW MUCH, UM, THERESA, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? I DID.
YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YOU COME UP HERE, SIT, WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
BUT I, I THINK YOU, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT IS THERE ANY, UH, SURPLUS ROLLED IN TO THIS MM-HMM.
SO THE SURPLUS IS ROLLED INTO HOW MUCH DEBT WE HAVE TO BORROW.
SO SOME OF THAT SURPLUS IS BEING USED TO PAY FOR THE CASH PROJECTS.
BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE.
SO THAT I'M, I'M, DID I ANSWER THAT QUESTION CORRECTLY? CORRECT.
AND THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, SO WHAT WE ASSUMED FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE PUT TOWARDS DEBT SERVICES OR CASH.
IF, UM, DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THAT? THOSE SLIDES BACK RIGHT HERE? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU SEE THAT THE CASH OPERATING BUDGET, THAT'S YOUR GENERAL FUND AMOUNT THAT WE PLAN ON, UM, PUTTING IN THE OPERATING BUDGET EACH YEAR, WHAT LINE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? UH, THAT FIRST LINE? CASH OPERATING.
THAT'S IN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN YOUR GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? EACH YEAR, YOUR CASH CAPITAL, THE SCHOOL'S GONNA PROVIDE THAT MONEY FOR THEIR PROJECTS.
THE DEBT FINANCED IS THE AMOUNT OF THE SCHOOL AND THE COUNTY THAT FINANCE FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THERE.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER FUNDS THAT KIND OF COME IN, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE GRANTS, PROFFERS OR OTHER.
AND THEN THAT USE OF RESERVE IS THE RESERVE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CIP AS WELL AS SURPLUSES THAT WE MAY USE THOSE.
IT'S SURPLUS AND RESERVE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CIP ACCUMULATION OF THOSE, UH, SURPLUS MONIES OVER THE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE SIX YEAR PROJECTS.
SO JUST TYING INTO THAT OTHER CHART, RIGHT.
LET'S TIE IT INTO THE OTHER CHART.
THE RED, THE RED AND BLUE CHART THERE.
I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THE OTHER.
BUT ANYWAY, THE, THE DEBT ON SOME OF THIS, THE WAY I'M I SEEING IS ACTUALLY, UH, JUST WE'RE STARTING TO ACCUMULATE MORE AND MORE DEBT.
WITHOUT, SO THERE'S SOMETHING STABLE HERE THAT'S NOT TO BE STABLE.
WE DON'T GO, I MEAN WE DON'T GO LOADING UP ON DEBT LIKE THIS.
YOU'RE REDUCING SOME OF YOUR CURRENT DEBT AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SO HOW THE ACCUMULATION OF DEBTS, WHAT I'M KIND OF WORRIED ABOUT HERE? NO.
SO THE ACCUMULATION IS GONNA BE 200 MILLION.
IS THAT WHAT I'M ON THAT OTHER SLIDE.
OH, WHEN YOU GO TO, GO BACK ONE, SORRY.
WHEN YOU GO HERE ON YOUR DEBT MANAGEMENT
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POLICIES, WE ARE, THAT'S THESE TWO POLICIES.WE WANNA STAY WITHIN THESE TWO POLICIES SO WE DON'T OVEREXTEND OURSELVES AND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
AND SO AS LONG AS WE, BUT WHAT YOU NEED IS MORE REVENUE TO OFFSET THE, THAT SERVICE.
WHAT WE NEED TO INCUR LESS THEN THAT'S THE PART I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT'S STABILIZE THAT YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT SEEING HERE BECAUSE IT JUST, FOR THIS ACCUMULATION OF DEBT, YOU'RE GONNA END EITHER MM-HMM.
WELL, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA ADJUST REALLY, IS TO RAISE TAXES.
YOU ADD MORE CASH THE PROJECTS OR TAKE THE PROJECTS OUT.
SO, SO THE TWO, BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE WITH THE 200, 200 MILLION, WHATEVER IT WAS THERE.
SO WHAT THIS DOESN'T, SO I GUESS THE, I'M TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THE OTHER SLIDE REFLECTS THAT WE'RE PAYING OFF DEBT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY.
BUT WE'RE ACCUMULATING MORE, BUT WE'RE ACCUMULATING MORE THAN WHAT WE CAN PAY OFF.
SO THAT'S PRETTY, SO HOW UNUSUAL IS THAT FOR THIS COUNTY TO DO THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T EVER REMEMBER IT BEING THAT BIG A PROBLEM BEFORE.
I DON'T EVER REMEMBER IT BEING THAT PROBLEM.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M SITTING HERE FACED WITH THINKING, OKAY, AT THE END OF TO BUY ALL THIS STUFF, IT'S $226 MILLION.
WELL, WE KNOW THAT WITH THAT, THE BONDING IS GONNA GO OUT FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE LIVING WITH SOME OF THIS BONDING FOR WHAT, 20, 30 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS ON THESE THINGS.
AND SO, UH, BUT I MEAN, THE CHICKEN'S GONNA COME HOME TO ROOST HERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN THIS PARTICULAR CHART TO ME IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE END UP SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE TAX RATE OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT COVERING ENOUGH DEBT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA REDUCE THE PROJECTS THAT MUCH EITHER.
WELL THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION.
WHAT WOULD THE BUDGET HAVE TO STAY AT FOR US NOT TO INCUR ADDITIONAL DEBT? WELL, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME OF THE SERVICES OR SOME OF THE STRUCTURES.
SOME OF THAT 2 26 WOULD'VE TO COME DOWN.
WHAT WOULD THAT NUMBER BE? 2.6 2 26.
WHAT'S THAT NUMBER GONNA BE? THAT'S THE USE OF THE RESERVE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE DID THE DEBT MODEL, LET ME, LET ME, THIS ISN'T GOOD.
WE DID THE, WHEN WE DID THE DEBT MODEL, WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET OF TWO, TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT OVER EVERY YEAR, EVERY YEAR.
SO THAT'S OUR INCREASE IN OUR, IN OUR, BUT THAT'S BEEN, BUT YOU'RE, ARE YOU BASING THAT ON, UM, THAT THERE'S GROWTH IN THE COUNTY, BUT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON'T GROW, WHICH WE'VE SEEN AND WE'RE STARTING TO REDUCE THE NEW MONEY? WELL, WE DON'T START GETTING NEW MONEY.
UH, I MEAN, SOURCES GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND I GUESS EACH YEAR WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ALL DO THIS, UM, AGAIN, YEARS TWO THROUGH SIX IS A PLAN AND WE ADJUST THAT EVERY YEAR.
AND SO IF WE FIND THAT, THAT THE TWO, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ISN'T REALISTIC, THEN WE'LL ADJUST THAT DOWN AND THEN THE PLAN WILL HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED FOR THOSE OUT YEARS.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN, THE PLAN STANDS AT TWO TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT.
WE MADE ASSUMPTIONS OF, OF ANNUAL GROWTH OF ABOUT TWO, 2.5% DEPENDING ON WHETHER IT'S A REASSESSMENT YEAR OR NOT A REASSESSMENT YEAR.
THE, THEY MADE THE ASSUMPTION OF FOUR POINT A HALF, 5% DEBT MODEL, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR INTEREST.
THAT COULD GO DOWN, THAT COULD GO UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS WHEN I SEE THIS, WHAT I HA WHAT I SEE IS THAT YOU, WE, WE BUMP UP AGAINST A RATIONAL, UM, PLAN.
OKAY? IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S LIKE, UH, LIKE WE, WE PLAN, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THIS STUFF, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THIS STUFF IN A VERY RATIONAL MANNER, AND THEN ALL WE GO, HOLY MACKEREL, LOOK AT THE DEBT.
AND THEN WE GO, OKAY, GOTTA TAKE THIS START, START RIPPING IT APART.
AND, AND THAT, THAT BECOMES IRRATIONAL, RIGHT? THERE'S, WE NEED, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT ARE NOT GONNA FIT IN A RATIONAL PLAN.
OKAY? SO I'M JUST, I'M SAYING WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO STARTING THIS BUDGET CYCLE THAT THIS IS A RATIONAL LAYOUT.
YOU'D SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANNA DO IT.
BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, I GUARANTEE YOU, AFTER THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S GONNA BECOME, IT'S GONNA BECOME MORE IRRATIONAL.
OR YOU'RE GONNA SIT THERE AND JUST CALMLY RAISE TAXES TILL YOU MEET THE NEEDS.
OKAY? I'M JUST, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
CITIZENS' NOT GONNA PUT UP WITH IT.
AND, UH, SO WE, WE GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL WITH THE PIE IN THE SKY APPROACH TO THIS.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST SEEING US BUYING STUFF LEFT AND RIGHT AND MODERNIZATIONS AND ALL THAT.
THERE ARE THINGS WE ACTUALLY NEED TO GET DONE.
SO I'M JUST, I'M TELLING YOU, LEMME S MARKER DOWN RIGHT NOW THAT IF WE, WE JUST CANNOT BUILD OURSELVES INTO, UH, A TO A SIGNIFICANT TAX INCREASE, ALRIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO GET REVENUE.
THAT REVENUE'S GONNA, UH, THERE, THAT REVENUE'S GONNA COME FROM SOMETHING.
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WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF NEW MONEY COMING IN FROM NEW HOU HOMES SOMEWHERE.UH, OR THE BUSINESS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REALLY GOOD.
WELL, THERE IS, THERE IS CERTAIN LEVEL OF GROWTH YOU CAN EXPECT.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, ON AN OFF YEAR FOR NOT AN ASSESSMENT YEAR, TYPICALLY THREE OR $4 MILLION A YEAR IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE IN NEW MONEY.
AND WE'RE SEEING IT DOES THAT YEAR NEXT, ARE WE SEEING IT THIS YEAR? WE'RE WORKING ON, WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY FIVE MONTHS INTO THE NEW YEAR.
SO YOU'RE PUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SEE ROUGHLY ON AVERAGE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE GROWTH YEAR TO YEAR.
TWO, TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE REAS YEAR, I UNDERSTANDS JUST A WORKING NUMBER.
BUT THE DEBT SERVICES ARE GROWN BY MORE THAN THAT.
HOW MUCH, RIGHT? IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING UP PER YEAR? $6 MILLION OVER, OVER THE SIX YEARS.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING UP, IT'S GOING UP $6 MILLION.
SO WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE, THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT SIGNIFICANT INCREASE? I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE CAUTIOUS, AS YOU POINT OUT, WE HAVE TO BE, HOWEVER YOUR NEEDS, WE HAVE THE BEST BOND RATING THERE IS.
AND IT'S BASED ON THOSE POLICIES.
SO, AND WE'RE WITHIN THOSE POLICIES AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT WE DO NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS AND BE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT THE FUTURE IMPACTS ARE.
WELL, THIS IS MY REACTION IS BECAUSE I'M SEEING THIS DEBT.
AND, AND, UM, AND I KNOW WE SAY, OKAY, WELL WE NEED THIS, WE NEED THIS AND WE NEED THIS AND WE NEED THIS AND YES, WE NEED THIS AND WE'RE GONNA GET MORE REQUESTS FOR POLICE OR MORE FIREFIGHTERS OR SOMEBODY.
AND, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS CARRY A LONG TERM EFFECT COST.
SOME OF IT'S NOT DEBT RELATED.
AND, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE SURPRISED.
I WANNA, I DON'T WANNA, I WANT, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA BE SURPRISED.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I JUST DON'T WANNA BE SURPRISED.
SO I'M ALWAYS, THAT'S WHY WE SHARED THE KIND OF INFORMATION WITH YOU.
I'M BE NERVOUS ABOUT THIS SO YOU CAN MAKE THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS.
WELL WE, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE HERE.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE MORE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE RATING THAT WE HAVE, IT MEANS IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO BORROW MORE MONEY.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN, BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE IN BORROWING MONEY AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS PAYO AS WE WENT AND THAT WE, WE BUILT INTO OUR CIP EACH YEAR SUFFICIENT FUNDS.
AND NOW WE'RE AT THIS STAGE, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT DOWN THE ROAD OF THINGS THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE PEOPLE SEEM TO NEED, THE NEEDS ARE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BORROW MORE MONEY.
I MEAN, AND PAY MORE FOR THAT MONEY THAN LOOK AT THE COST, THE COST INCREASE OF THINGS.
THE OTHER THING I POINT OUT ABOUT 2026 IS WHEN WE LOOKED BACK THROUGH ALL THE PROJECTS IN 2026 MM-HMM.
SO NOT, NOT BEGRUDGING ANYONE THE MONEY.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE'VE GOTTA DO.
WELL, INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO BE DONE GONNA LIKE IT OR NOT.
BUT I MEAN, SORT OF LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THINGS THAT WE'VE SPENT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK OF THE STORMWATER PROJECTS, UH, WAS THE SEWER PROJECT WE HAD OVER IN QUEENS LAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TOOK, THAT WAS LIKE $90 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS SOME OUT, IT WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THEN LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
WAS THAT $25 MILLION? IS THAT THE, THE PRICE ON THAT ONE? SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PAY THE, THE SPORTS COMPLEX DOWN HERE.
WE, WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE PAID THAT OFF FINALLY.
RIGHT? UH, IT WAS LIKE, UH, 20, WE BORROWED 14 MILLION ON OUR $19 MILLION PROJECT WE DID JUST LAST YEAR, RIGHT? SO GET THROUGH THIS STUFF AND WE'RE DOING IT.
I'M JUST, I'M, WHAT I'M REACTING TO THOUGH IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M KINDA LIKE, WOW, MY EYES ARE OPENING UP AND I'M, 'CAUSE I'M SEEING $226 MILLION OF DEBT BASED ON THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT SOME QUICK NUMBERS HERE.
THE FIRST YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT A 9% INCREASE IN DEBT.
SECOND YEAR, TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ROUGHLY IN THIRD YEAR, 4.2% INCREASE IN DEBT.
BUT WE'RE ONLY GENERATING TWO AND HALF PERCENT NEW REVENUE EVERY YEAR.
AND THEY NEED TO BE A LOT CLOSER TOGETHER.
UNDER THE QUESTION OF THEREFORE, WHICH THE CAP BE THIS KIND TO, THIS IS WHY I'M RRP SPENDING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME PERCENT OF, UH, THE SAME CORRELATION.
IF YOU'RE ONLY EXPECTING TWO AND A HALF PERCENT GROWTH, THEN WE SHOULD ONLY EXPECT TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT BORROWING TO KEEP UP TO KEEP PACE.
I SAYING THEY NEED TO, THEY NEED TO BE A LOT CLOSER TOGETHER.
SO THEY NEED TO BE A LOT CLOSER
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TOGETHER.BUT, BUT HERE, THIS IS THE FIRST RUN.
SO THERESA, YOU GUYS DON'T GET ALREADY GET WORKED UP.
TRACY, YOU START THINKING OF THIS.
WELL, I, YEAH, TWO AND HALF PERCENT OF $190 MILLION OR TWO AND HALF PERCENT OF, OF 13 MILLION.
IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS NUMBER AND THEN THERE'S THIS NUMBER.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S TALK PERCENTAGES.
SO HERE'S THE QUESTION, NOT NECESSARILY EQUIVALENT.
WHAT DO WE WORRY ABOUT? UNDERSTAND WHAT DO WE AS SUPERVISORS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AND WE SAY TO OUR PUBLIC, WHICH WE REPRESENT, WHAT DO WE WORRY ABOUT? OKAY.
BECAUSE WE GOTTA EVENTUALLY, SOMEWHERE IN THIS WAY GO INTO THEIR POCKETS AND PULL MONEY OUTTA THEIR POCKETS TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT THEY WANT.
AND IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY WANT, AND THIS IS WHY CITIZENS SHOULD SHOW UP AT THOSE TIMES WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET AND SPEAK AND LET US KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.
OR WE DO A, UH, WHAT IS THAT VALUE, NOT VALUE.
FLASH VOTE AND GET SOME, GET SOME INPUT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE GOTTA DEAL WITH.
I MEAN, IT'S STEWING THE POT, RIGHT? WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THIS CAULDRON? ALL RIGHT, KEEP ROLLING.
THE FLASH BOAT AIN'T GONNA VOTE FOR EXCAVATOR EXCAVATORS OR GREATER, GREATER, GREATER.
WE JUST HAVE EXCAVATOR PROBABLY.
WE'VE HEARD THIS NOW WE KIND OF, WE'VE SEEN IT.
SO HERE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL SPEND SOME MORE TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THIS AS THE OPERATING BUDGET GETS PUT TOGETHER.
UH, ALSO, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CIP AS WELL AND CERTIFY THAT IT'S CONSISTENT.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.
YOU JUST NEED TO TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT IT SO WE CAN PLAN FOR THIS.
SO IT'LL HEAD START ON FOR THE STAFF WOULD BE NICE.
AND HOW MUCH OF THE CURRENT SURPLUS HAVE WE ALLOCATED OR DO WE EXPECT TO ALLOCATE TOWARDS THIS? UM, TWO, TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
TWO AND A HALF, WHAT I RECALL.
SO WHEN YOU SET OUT TO START THE BUDGET, DO YOU SET IT A ZERO BASE WHEN WE START OUT THE, ARE YOU ASKING ME IF WE DO ZERO BASE BUDGETING? MM-HMM.
WE DO NOT DO WHAT IS CONSIDERED ZERO BASED BUDGETING.
UM, UM, WHY DON'T WE DO ZERO BASED BUDGETING? WE TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, IT'S WHEN YOU, A TRUE ZERO BASE BUDGETING TAKES YOU ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT'S SAYING YOU NEED NO STAFF, SO HOW MUCH STAFF DO YOU NEED? YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EFFORT, YOU KNOW, TO PRODUCE SERVICES.
SO TO GO THROUGH THE ZERO BASED EXERCISE IS NOT REALLY PRODUCTIVE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IT.
BUT IT, IT'S NOT BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PRACTICED OVER THE YEARS OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU DO PERIODICALLY? DO A LEVEL, DO A LEVEL SET EVERY X NUMBER OF YEARS? CAN, CAN I TRY? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE DEPARTMENTS SEND THEIR BUDGETS IN, IF THEY WANT AN INCREASE IN THEIR BUDGET, THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHAT THAT INCREASE IS.
WE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERY LINE ITEM IN THEIR BUDGET.
IF THEY HAVEN'T SPENT THEIR BUDGET IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THEY NEED TO JUSTIFY WHY THEY HAVEN'T SPENT THEIR BUDGET.
WHAT DID THEY NOT DO LAST YEAR THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS YEAR THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT BUDGET FOR? SO OUR, OUR BUDGET ANALYST AND GREG AND I GO THROUGH THOSE BUDGETS JUST LIKE, ALMOST LIKE ZERO BASED BUDGETING, BUT NOT ZERO BASED BUDGETING.
SO WHEN YOU SAY DO WE DO ZERO BASED BUDGETING AS A, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE ZERO BASED BUDGETING NO.
BUT DO WE MAKE THOSE DEPARTMENTS JUSTIFY? YES.
WE WE DON'T MAKE FRIENDS DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS
SO WE, WE DO, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY ASK THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN HERE.
WE DO GO THROUGH IT AND WE DO MAKE SURE THAT THEY JUSTIFY ANY INCREASES AND JUSTIFY WHAT THEY CURRENTLY NEED.
DOES THAT HELP? WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT IF THEY HAVE A SURPLUS? UM, IF THEY, SHE JUST SAID THAT IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVEN'T SPENT IT FROM THE BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE LAST YEAR, FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, RIGHT.
THEY UM, WE USUALLY ASK THEM WHY THEY HAVE THAT, WHY THEY HAVEN'T SPENT IT.
WAS THERE SOMETHING LAST YEAR THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND THAT THEY END UP NOT HAVING TO SPEND BECAUSE MAYBE THEY FOUND SOME SAVINGS.
IS THAT SAVINGS GONNA CARRY ON TO THE NEXT YEAR? IS IT, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS
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NOW AND THEY CARRY THAT FORWARD SURPLUS? NO, THEY DO NOT CARRY THAT FORWARD.THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO.
THEIR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WILL THEY ZERO BASED BUDGETING IN FOR THEM IN EFFECT BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARRY THAT FORWARD? NO, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T TAKE, IF THEY DIDN'T SPEND $10,000 AND THEY, THEY DON'T GET THAT $10,000 ON TOP OF THANK YOU, YOU KNOW, ON TOP.
BUT, AND YOU KNOW, IN FACT THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHY THEY STILL NEED THE $10,000.
WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A, WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THAT YOU END UP WITH A PILE OF MONEY AND EVERYBODY'S GOTTA GO SPEND IT EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO, WELL WE DON'T, WE DON'T PENALIZE 'EM FOR NOT SPENDING IT.
'CAUSE IF YOU DO IT, THEY'RE GONNA SPEND IT.
SO DO YOU WANNA REWARD 'EM FOR NOT DOING IT? I MEAN, TO SOME DEGREE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO THINK LIKE THAT.
HOW ARE YOU BEING REWARDING THEM FOR NOT MAYBE IT BE REWARD FOR COMMUNICATION.
I'M MAKING FUNDS AVAILABLE TO 'EM IN FUTURE YEARS.
NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY GET TO COVER, YOU KNOW, CARRY FORWARD, BUT IF THEY CAN MAKE A RATIONAL JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY SOMETHING SHOULD STILL EXIST, WE DON'T JUST TAKE IT AWAY FROM 'EM AND WE WILL GIVE IT BACK TO 'EM AGAIN IN ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE.
DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? DOES, YEAH.
'CAUSE THE OTHER SIDE IS IF YOU REWARD, NOT TO SAY EVERYBODY DOES THIS, BUT THE RISK IS WHEN YOU START REWARDING PEOPLE FOR ALWAYS COMING UP WITH A SURPLUS, EITHER THEY ALWAYS OVER PROJECT WHAT THEY NEED.
SO THEY ALWAYS HAVE A SURPLUS OR IT'S A, OR THEY'RE DOING THINGS THEY, IT'S A, THEY'RE NOT DOING THINGS THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
SO THEY, SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO GIVE A GOOD, HONEST ASSESSMENT OF THEIR NEEDS AND BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
AND THEN SO IF YOU COME UP, BUT I POINT OUT TO YOU THAT OUR, THAT OUR SURPLUS IS ALMOST ALWAYS MADE UP FROM REVENUE AND OUR SURPLUS FROM EXPENDITURES IS MUCH SMALLER.
SO WE'RE, AND AND BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER ARE OFTEN 2% OF A, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
SO THAT NUMBER'S TINY WHEN YOU TAKE IT IN THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE ENTIRE BUDGET STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB WITH BUDGET.
AND I, I, I LIKE TO THINK THAT EVERYBODY IS, FOR THE MOST PART, I KNOW YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT I DO LIKE TO THINK THAT THE CITIZENS ARE SATISFIED WITH THE SERVICES THAT BEING PROVIDED TO THEM.
SO YOU SAID THAT OUR SURPLUS TYPICALLY COMES FROM GETTING MORE REVENUE THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED.
SO WE, WE SEEMS TO BE THE REVERSE THIS YEAR BECAUSE YOU HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SAVINGS BY THE STAFF, NOT SO MUCH ON THE REVENUE SIDE.
UM, PART OF THAT, PART OF THE SAVINGS ON THE STAFF SIDE, ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE IS THE SCHOOL REVERSION NUMBER.
AND SO WE'VE GOT A, OKAY, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IN CONTEXT TO THINGS.
YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT SIX, I THINK FIVE OR $6 MILLION THAT SCHOOLS OKAY.
SO THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR NUMBERS.
SO IT'S GOOD THAT YOU CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, THE I NEED EXTRA MONEY THIS YEAR FOR REASONS.
WHAT WHAT ABOUT THE, ALRIGHT, DO YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU RUN WITH LESS MONEY THAN YOU DID LAST YEAR? IS THERE, IS THERE SOME SAVINGS YOU CAN MAKE THERE? IS THERE SOME EFFICIENCIES? YEAH, WE DO.
WHEN DO WE ASK THOSE QUESTIONS? YEAH, WE DO.
AND SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, IN, IN, IN DEPARTMENTS BUDGETS IS THEY MAY NEED ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DO SOME PROGRAM, BUT HEY, I, I'VE GOT OVER HERE, I'M NOT DOING THIS OR I WAS ABLE TO SAVE MONEY HERE, SO I WANNA USE THIS PIECE HERE TO COVER THIS HERE.
SO YES, I MEAN, I MEAN IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, I WANNA SAY THAT WE, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB, YOU KNOW, AS A BUDGET STAFF TO DO.
BUT I THINK THE DEPARTMENTS DO DO A GOOD JOB ITSELF IN, IN ASKING FOR WHAT THEY REALLY NEED.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS IT'S A BALANCING ACT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ASKED FOR THAT ARE NOT BUDGETED, WHETHER IT'S FLASHING LIGHTS, UH, AT AN INTERSECTION OR A CROSSWALK OR TREES CUT DOWN THAT ARE HANGING OVER SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, ET CETERA.
SO THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE REQUESTED OF US THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE.
RIGHT? SO THERE, IT'S A BALANCING ACT TO LEAVE ENOUGH TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT KEEP YOUR CONSTITUENTS HAPPY OR TO GET TO THE LINE WHERE, HEY, THAT'S ALL WE GOT.
WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO COVER WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OPERATIONALLY OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
BUT YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS HOPEFULLY FEEL THAT THEY, IF IF, IF YEAR ONE THEY ASK, ASK FOR X AND YEAR TWO THEY'RE ONLY NEED X MINUS Y THEY KNOW THEY IN YEAR THREE, IF THEY'RE GONNA COME WITH X PLUS, THEY
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CAN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ASK THAT.WE'RE NOT GONNA GO NO, NO, YOU ONLY ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, LESS LAST YEAR.
AGAIN, A GOOD HONEST ASSESSMENT YEAR TO YEAR AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
I DON'T WANT ANY, I DON'T WANT ANY GAMES PLAYED WITH.
I MEAN, I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
CHIEF KSKY, ONE YEAR THEY GOT NEW STRETCHERS.
HE DIDN'T NEED THE MAINTENANCE ON THE STRETCHERS.
HE SAID OKAY, THE NEXT YEAR THEY NEED A MAINTENANCE STRETCH BACK IN.
YOU KNOW, WE WORK TOGETHER TO, TO DO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ALL LONG.
ANYBODY ANSWER IT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
THAT'S A GOOD KICKOFF AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
[3. Landscaping, Greenbelt, and Buffer Requirements in the Zoning Ordinance. Receive a presentation from Caitlin Aubut and Elgui Roman concerning Greenbelt Buffers in York County. ]
A LANDSCAPING, LANDSCAPING GREEN BUFF GREEN BELT BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.GET UP AND LET UH, CAITLYN HAVE A SEAT.
I THINK SHE'S GOT A PARTNER SLIDES
ARE THERE SLIDES GO WITH THIS? YES.
THAT WE THAT WE HAVE ANYWHERE? I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU GOT A, THERE'S A MEMO AND THEN THE PROOF THAT WAS PART OF YOUR CORRESPONDENCE PACKAGE.
NO, YOUR, ALL THE CURRENT ONE ONLINE.
IN THE PACKAGE DATED NOVEMBER 20TH.
I BELIEVE WE ARE ALL SITUATED.
THIS IS A RESUMPTION OF A DISCUSSION.
WE STARTED IN AUGUST AT YOUR AUGUST 6TH WORK SESSION.
UH, YOUR READAHEAD PACKET DID ATTACH THE MINUTES FROM THAT DISCUSSION AS A REFRESHER.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION IN THAT DISCUSSION.
IT WAS PAUSED, UM, DUE TO THE LENGTH MEETING CHAIRMAN ROW MADE THE DECISION TO PAUSE IT AT THAT TIME.
SO WE'RE RESUMING THAT EFFORT.
NOW DURING THE AUGUST DISCUSSION, THERE IS A KIND OF JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE LANDSCAPING SECTION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND SO THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE COVERS LANDSCAPE YARDS, TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS AND GREENBELT BUFFERS.
ALSO ATTACHED TO YOUR READ AHEAD WAS THE FULL SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN HERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AHEAD OF TIME.
DURING THE AUGUST DISCUSSION WE GOT THROUGH TO TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS AND WHERE WE PAUSED WAS RIGHT BEFORE WE GOT TO LANDSCAPE YARDS AND GREEN BELTS.
AS A QUICK RECAP, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WERE REVISING THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER PLANTING STANDARDS AND BEEFING THOSE UP A LITTLE BIT, CLARIFYING LANGUAGE IN A FEW PLACES.
LOOKING AT PLANTING STANDARDS AGAIN FOR LANDSCAPE YARDS.
AND ALSO AT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REPLACING EXISTING VEGETATION.
AND THEN FLEXIBILITY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND CERTAIN KINDS OF TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
SO REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS WHAT'S IN YOUR READ AHEAD AND FOR YOU TO TELL STAFF WHAT IS WORKING IN THIS SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHAT IS NOT WORKING.
IF WE WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION AGAIN ON GREENBELT BUFFERS, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT PIECE OF THE ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND DELVE INTO THAT IN DETAIL.
BUT REALLY THE IDEA FOR US IS TO JUST GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL AND AN ANALYSIS SO WE CAN TAKE THAT AND THEN WORK ON THE ORDINANCE, TUNE IT UP TO WHAT NEEDS CHANGING AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU AT A LATER DATE.
SO JUST CLARIFICATION FROM ME, YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND MADE ANY CHANGES YET TO THE OVERALL DOCUMENT.
YOU ARE JUST COMPLETING THE REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT.
YEAH, WE'VE COMPILED WHAT YOU GAVE US.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE LIKE FORMAL AMENDMENTS YET.
YOU HAVEN'T COMPILED INTO WHAT DOCUMENT HERE? THESE ONE OF OUR DOCUMENTS.
YOU COMPILED THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS INTO THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR THE MINUTES.
WE'VE MADE NOTES, UM, LIKE HAND NOTES.
YOU'RE NOT HOLDING IN YOUR HAND THE COMPILED NOTES.
THIS IS THE PREVIOUS, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
SO AGAIN, IF WE, I KNOW WE DIDN'T COVER GREEN MELS LAST TIME, SO WE CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE DEEPER AND TALK ABOUT THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, AGAIN, NOT REALLY WANTING TO LEAD YOU HERE, IT'S MORE TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK.
WHAT ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE NEED THAT YOU NEED US TO, I THINK IT'S WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT,
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UM, CITIZENS ARE DISCUSSING WITH YOU THAT SEEM PROBLEMATIC ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE SECTIONS GREEN BELT.UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH GREEN BELTS PARTICULARLY.
THERE'S BEEN SOME CASES IN THE PAST DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I MEAN THE, THE, I THINK ONE OF THE ONLY TAKEAWAY THAT I CAN REALLY THINK OF AT THIS POINT IS STRU IS DEFINED PLANTED.
IT, IT EXISTS FOR A WHILE AND THEN IT FALLS OVER AND DIES AND THEN NEVER GETS REPLACED.
SO THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A ONE AND DONE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ARE FOREVER, SO THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED.
SO THEY NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, REPLACED AND THAT, THAT I'VE HEARD SOME FEEDBACK ON.
UM, BUT WHO, WHO GOES AND CHECKS ON ON THAT? IS IT, IS IT, UH, A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE, THE DEAD SHRUBBERY THAT COMES TO THE COUNTY AND THEN THE COUNTY GOES OUT AND SAYS, OKAY THERE'S THAT, THAT IS CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY PART OF IT.
I DON'T IF THAT'S ANY PROACTIVE.
I MEAN I'VE, WE AREN'T, I'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT SUPERVISOR.
IT'S, IT'S ALL COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO GO AROUND AND DO IT OTHERWISE WE PLANT THE PLANTING.
UM, SAY, UH, THE HARMONY, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THEY HAD, UH, A, B AND P MM-HMM.
AND SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I I KNOW PEOPLE WERE COMMENTING THAT 'CAUSE THEY'D SEE THE DEAD PLANTS.
WELL THEY'VE GONE BACK AND THEY PUT RIVER BURCH IN THERE NOW THEY ALL LOOK GREAT.
UM, THE OTHER ONE, AND, AND I, I'M NOT SURE, I GUESS THIS FITS IN THE DISCUSSION.
IF YOU GO DOWN LIKE HAMPTON, HAMPTON HIGHWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE COUNTY HAS PUT LIKE THE VIC UH, THE LIBRARY.
AND UM, THEY GO IN AND THEY, THEY BASICALLY HAVE CUT OUT ALL THE UNDERGROWTH.
THEY KEPT SOME OF THE BIG THREE, CUT OUT ALL THE UNDERGROWTH.
AND YET WE GO DOWN TO WHERE A BUSINESS IS AND WE JUST FEED 'EM THE RIOT ACT IF THEY TOUCH ANYTHING.
UM, UH, SO I MEAN I GET THAT KIND OF COMPLAINT.
THE OTHER ONE IS THAT YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN BELT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MIDDLE OF, OF, OF, UH, HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND THEN BUSINESSES OVER YORKSHIRE DOWNS.
CAN'T PEOPLE COME DOWN THE ROAD? THEY, WELL, IT BOTHERS 'EM 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE THE BUSINESS.
AND THEN I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ONE TIME WHERE WE TRIED TO, WE PENALIZED, UH, UM, IT USED TO BE THE SHELL STATION THERE AT THE CORNER OF VICTORY IN HAMPTON HIGHWAY BECAUSE THE OWNERS OR WHOEVER WAS THERE WORKING SAYS, HEY, CAN WE GO OVER AND CUT THIS TREE DOWN? THE VDI GUYS? YEAH, YOU CUT IT DOWN, HAD NO CLUE WHAT OUR GREEN BELT REQUIREMENTS WERE.
AND SO THEN WE WENT BACK, TRIED TO BURY THE PLACE AND, AND, AND SHRUBBERY AND THEN WE, THAT, THAT BECAME A, BUT A BOARD ISSUE.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STANDS NOW, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY KIND OF ISSUES OF ONE OTHER.
IF WE PUT A HOUSE ON A ROAD THAT HAS A GREEN BELT, WE CANNOT, YOU CANNOT GO DOWN THERE AND BEAT THE PEOPLE OVER THE HEAD TO HAVE THEM GO BACK AND RE RESTORE TREES WHERE THEY BURY THEIR HOUSE.
IF THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE, OF THE INVADE THEIR HIGHWAY, HAMPTON HIGHWAY BE THE CASE POINT.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GO DOWN THERE AND SAY, WELL WE'VE GOT A HOUSE HERE AND YOU'RE IN THE GREEN BELT, SO YOU GOTTA PUT ALL THOSE TREES BACK.
WELL THAT'S, THAT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY MAKE IT LOOK BETTER.
IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS IMPORTANT HERE.
SO IT'S GOTTA BE COMMON SENSE.
AND, AND A COUPLE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CASES I KNOW ON 17 BETWEEN VICTORY BOULEVARD AND UM,
IT'S HARD TO TELL THIS BUSINESS BACK THERE.
I AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR REQUIREMENTS OR THEY JUST HAVE LET IT GROWN UP AND NOT CARE ABOUT IT.
BUT IT UM, IS THERE ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT, WELL YOU, IF THAT THERE'S THE, THE WALGREENS AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEVEN 17 AND VICTORY BOULEVARD.
YOU BARELY KNOW THERE'S A WALGREENS THERE AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
BUT IS THAT BECAUSE OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR LIKE THAT OR LEGISL? SO YES, IT IS, IT KIND OF VARIED.
IT KIND OF, KIND OF OVERDID IT A LITTLE BIT I THINK BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN WALGREENS WOULD, WAS GONNA MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, BUT KIND OF PROVIDE THEM SOME BUSINESSES BILLING.
BUT OUR, BUT OUR GREEN BELT OR OUR GREEN SHRUBBERY REQUIREMENTS, FORCING 'EM TO KEEP SO MANY BUSHES AND STUFF THAT THE SIGN, IF YOU SEE THE SIGN, IT'S ACTUALLY OVERGROWN WITH SO MANY TREES.
AND NOT ONLY OVERGROWN BUT 'CAUSE THE AIRFLOW ISN'T THERE 'CAUSE THE TREES ARE BLOCKING IT.
YOU GOT LOSS OR WHATEVER GROWING ON THE BUILDING 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ENOUGH AIRFLOW THERE TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
UM, SO AGAIN, IF IF THAT, IF THAT'S OUR REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE, THAT'S PROBABLY OVERBOARD.
UM, WELL THE QUESTION IS IS IS IT OVERGROWN ON THE 1 71 SIDE
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OR IS IT OVERGROWN ON THE 17 SIDE? YES.ACTUALLY I'LL, SO IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY 1 71 SIDE IS THE GREEN BELT AND THE 17 IS NOT.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HAVE THEY, I GUESS WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS FROM 'EM.
WELL IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'RE BRINGING IT UP, SO, BUT IF I WAS RUNNING THAT STORE UP, WHAT THEY CAN SEE, I'M BACK HERE SEE THAT I HAD ONE DURING THE FIRST PLACE UP.
THAT THING WAS DEVELOPED WHEN THEY DEVELOPED, THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THAT THIRD LANE IN THERE AND THEY EVEN THREW IT OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
AND SO THEY WERE SO HAPPY JUST TO GET IN THERE 'CAUSE GET THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
BUT IT WAS A BIG BREW HAW ABOUT THAT.
BUT UM, THAT USED TO BE AN OLD HOUSE AND, AND YEAH.
AND, AND SO IT JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A BIG FUSS, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE PLACE THERE.
AND UH, BUT I JUST, I AGREE IT'S KIND OF, IT'S OVERGROWN.
IT PROBABLY COULD BE A LITTLE THINNED OUT SOMEHOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, THERE'S SOME, SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY COMMON SENSE TO SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.
WE DON'T, THAT'S JUST AS RULES, THEREFORE THEY APPLY THE RULES.
BUT THE RULES DON'T FIT EVERY SITUATION.
WE, WE TRY TO WORK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GREEN BELTS, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CLEARING THE UNDERSTORY ENOUGH SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTIES.
SO WE DO WORK WITH THEM, UH, WHENEVER THEY APPROACH US ABOUT THE GREEN BELT AREA.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEONE'S APPROACHING YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE FOR THEM TO APPROACH STAFF AND WE, WE GO OUT AND WE'LL ASSESS THE GREEN BELT AND HELP THEM KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE BEST ROUTE FOR THEM TO TAKE TO KIND OF STILL MEET THE STANDARDS, BUT CLEAR UP SOME OF THAT UNDERGROWTH AND CLEAN IT UP.
SO ONE, ONE OTHER ONE, AND NOW MAKE SURE WE, WE'VE FIXED THIS.
IF A BUSINESS COMES IN, BUILDS UP NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, DON'T OVERLAP THE GREEN BELT SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
ALRIGHT? I DON'T WANT, THAT WAS A CASE OF THAT, THAT BUSINESS NAIL BUSINESS DOWN THERE, IT USED TO BE A TAEKWONDO PLACE AND I DON'T WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS SEVEN 11 AT ONE TIME ON THE CORNER OF UH, HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
AND SO THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED ON THAT PROPERTY, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO BUFFER INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THEY WERE HAVING TO COMPLY WITH THE GREEN BELT IN THEIR OWN YARD.
AND IT'S, AND SO I'M NEVER SURE HOW THAT EVER TURNED OUT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING COMPLAINTS ANYMORE.
I THINK THEY JUST IGNORED IT AND JUST CUT THE PLACE AND CUT THE GRASS.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS NOT AFFECTED BY BUSINESS COMING IN THERE.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I I'VE HEARD ABOUT MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAD TWO COMMENTS ON THE PACKAGE IF I COULD.
SO NUMBER 11 ON PAGE, ON PAGE 11, UH, IS THE, UH, 45 FOOT, UH, SETBACK ON MOTOWN ROAD, THE GREEN BELT.
AND I'VE HAD A REQUEST FROM DR. PRICE, UH, CEO OF SATARA.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD LIGHTEN THE GREEN BELT? I GUESS SO.
WAIT, CAN WE THIN IT? CAN WE TAKE OUT ALL THE SMALL DIAMETER TREES OR SHRUBS THAT ARE CLEARLY FILLING UP A LOT OF THAT 45 FOOT AREA AND JUST LEAVE THE TALLER PINES? SHE'S FINDING MORE AND MORE CASES WHERE PEOPLE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION ARE GOING RIGHT PAST THE HOSPITAL, REALIZING THEY'VE GONE BY IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, YOU, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM WATERTOWN ROAD.
IF YOU MISS THE SIGN THAT SAYS SENTARA, YOU'RE PAST IT.
AND IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD SOME VISIBILITY OF THE HOSPITAL FROM WAR TOWN.
WE COULD DO THAT, MAINTAIN THE GREEN BELT.
BUT WE'D NEED TO THIN OUT THE, UH, THE TREES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S A WAY OF DOING THAT.
THE POLICY REALLY DOESN'T DESCRIBE WHAT YOU CAN DO.
IT IT, IT SAYS BASICALLY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO CLEAR UP THE UNDERSTORY.
AND WE, WE'VE GONE OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
I THINK THE BIGGER CONCERN FOR THEM IS THEY'RE SO FAR FROM THE ROAD.
AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH WOODS BETWEEN THEM.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR A LOT MORE WOODS IN THERE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE UNDERGROWTH THAN 45 FEET MAY WANNA DO THAT.
THEY HAVE A TENT CITY SETTING UP IN THERE.
IT'S UH, BECOME QUITE A PROBLEM.
WELL IF, WAIT A MINUTE, IF IT'S EMERGENCY SITUATION, WE NEED TO AND THE STAFF NEEDS TO GO OUT THERE AND HELP 'EM F FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE NEED TO GET THAT RESOLVED.
I DON'T WANT TO JUST SIT HERE AND GO, YEAH, OKAY WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK ON IT.
NO, WE NEED TO GO OUT AND GET THAT RESOLVED.
IF, IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE, PEOPLE CAN'T FIND THE HOSPITAL.
DAMNIT IT'S CLEARED OUT A LITTLE BIT SO THEY COULD FIND IT.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO DR. PRICE AND TELL HER THIS IS THE OUTCOME OF OUR DISCUSSION AND YEAH.
THAT SHE'S WELL WITHIN HER RIGHTS TO TAKE DOWN A TAKE DOWN WHAT SHE CAN SO THEY CAN SEE IT.
DON'T WE WANNA KEEP A GREEN BELT TO SOME DEGREE? WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE SHE NEEDS TO WORK WITH STAFF.
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RIGHT.I KNOW I WAS INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION WITH HER AT ONE TIME ABOUT ANGLING THE TREES BACK AT THE SIGN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SIGN AS YOU'RE TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD.
NOT THAT YOU COME UP TO IT AND SUDDENLY SEE IT IN A SECOND AND YOU'RE BY IT.
SO TO ANGLE THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES TO HELP, I THINK IT'S A REAL ISSUE.
AND OBVIOUSLY SHE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING.
SO I'LL RIGHT, I'LL HAVE HER WORK WITH STAFF.
AND THEN THE NUMBER BA LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD SAYS COLONIAL PARKWAY, IT SAYS 300 FEET, WHICH MAY INCLUDE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, UH, UH, PROPERTY.
SEEMS TO ME LAKESIDE DRIVE IS MUCH CLOSER THAN 300 FEET TO THE EDGE OF THE COLONIAL PARKWAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THIS IS CALCULATED OR HOW YOU REACH THE CONCLUSION OF 300 FEET OF GREENBELT.
IS THAT EACH SIDE OR IS IT 150 FEET ON EACH SIDE OR, UH, NO, IT'S 300 FEET.
I THINK IT'S 300 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE PARKWAY.
OR IS IT ON THE EDGE? THE PROPERTY.
YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL THE PARKWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT, UH, COLONIAL, WHAT IS IT? THE COLONIAL EASEMENT VIEW, VIEW EASEMENT THAT THE ASKED THEY YEAH, THEY ALSO HAD THAT EASEMENT.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN IT, THE, THE PARKWAY LAKESIDE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, LAKESIDE DRIVE WAS PUT IN IN THE SIX.
SO IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE WE REALLY HAD GREEN BELTS AND THE ORDINANCE.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME IN WITH THE 91 COMP PLAN.
AND THEN ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY I HAD, I HAD IT HERE.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE HISTORIC NOTE, BUT IS IT INTENTIONAL THAT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY HAS A 45 FOOT IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, HAS FIRST FIVE FOOT AS A WHAT? YEAH.
UM, THE, THE, THE DELINEATION OF THOSE AREAS SEEM TO BE 45 FEET FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
CONSIDERATION FOR THE SPECIAL KIND OF TOURIST CHARACTER OF THAT AREA.
WELL WE ALSO HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH JAMES CITY COUNTY IN WILLIAMSBURG THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD SINK OUR GREEN BELT LINES 'CAUSE THEY USED TO BE DIFFERENT SIZES AND SO WE, WE WERE SINKING 'EM ALL THE SAME, TRY TO MAKE 'EM CONSISTENT SO IT LOOKS GOOD.
THIS WENT ON COLONIAL PARKWAY LOOKS CONFUSING 'CAUSE DON'T THINK IT CURRENTLY MEETS THAT.
AND WE OUGHT TO PROBABLY EXPAND ON WHAT'S REQUIRED HERE.
I THINK IT, I THINK AS IT READS RIGHT NOW, IT'S WRONG.
AND I, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
AND THERE'S TWO LAKE SIDE DRIVES IN THE COUNTY.
LAKESIDE IS OUR IT TO QUEEN LAKES.
OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S LAKEHEAD.
I SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE ROAD IS.
SO WE NEED TO GIVE A READ OF THE LATEST, GIVE YOU ALL SOME FEEDBACK AND THEN WE WILL COMPILE, BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA CONSOLIDATE WHAT EVERYTHING YOU'VE GIVEN US.
DRAFT FORMAL AMENDMENTS, BRING THAT FORWARD.
YOU YOU GOT A DATE FOR US? YOU WANT LIKE TO HEAR IT GET FEEDBACK WISE? PREROGATIVE SIR? WELL, OR RATHER THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT YEAR 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS COMING TO YOU.
DO HAVE ONE JANUARY, FEBRUARY.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING DOWN DEAD TREES IN THE DEAD TREES? OKAY.
I I GET THAT, I GET ONE OR TWO OF THOSE CALLS EVERY YEAR.
IT WOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE GREEN BELT.
UNLESS IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE GREEN BELT IS ACTUALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN IT WOULD BE MAKE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT THAT EXTEND IS INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY THEN THAT'S ALL.
IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT PE TREE'S IN THE RIGHT WAY.
WHOEVER, WHOEVER'S RIGHT AWAY THAT IS PB UP OR COUNTY MAY BE ABLE TO DOWNTOWN LEFT.
SO WE GOT, WE ALL GOT OUR HOMEWORK FOR, FOR THIS.
SO I WOULD SAY TAKE A LOOK AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU, JUST EMAIL KAITLYN AND LET HER KNOW.
AND WE CAN, UM, AS WE DRAFT THE REGULATIONS, WE'LL WE'LL GET THEM OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN START LOOKING AT THEM, UM, BEFOREHAND.
WE'VE BEEN AT IT ALMOST TWO HOURS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A SHORT TAKE, A SHORT RECESS.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
AND MOVING RIGHT ALONG.OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO REVIEW THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR.
WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS, 4, 5, 6 ITEMS, NUMBER 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN AND EIGHT AND NINE.
ALL VARIOUS TYPES OF, UH, TAX REFUNDS.
UH, REQUEST, UH, LET'S SEE, NUMBER
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10, EDGE HILL ELECTRIC FALL CULVERT'S IMPROVEMENT.PROJECT NUMBER 11, ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR 7 5 7 ON THE BOAT TRAIL.
UM, ITEM 12, THREE YEAR MICROSOFT ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT FOR OFFICE 365 AND 13.
RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR SENIOR FIREFIGHTER MICHAEL RYAN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ITEM THEY'D LIKE TO PULL FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
[OPEN DISCUSSION]
MOVING ON TO, UM, OPEN DISCUSSION.AND I'M GONNA GO IN A CERTAIN ORDER HERE.
JUST KNOW WHAT SOME, SOME OF THE STUFF WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT.
SO MS. KNOLL, WE'LL TALK, HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS.
ALRIGHT, MR. JURY? I'M GOOD MR. SHEPHERD.
UM, ONE OF THE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND I TALKED TO THE STAFF ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
THE ISSUE DEALS, AGAIN, TAB HIGH SCHOOL AREA AND IT'S, UM, A SIDEWALK GATHERING POINT, IF YOU WILL, ACROSS FROM TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT OR MAY REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION, BUT THE POINT IS, UH, TAB SCHOOL IDENTIFIES TAB HIGH SCHOOL AS A WALK ONLY SCHOOL.
BUT OVER THE YEARS WE NOW HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES BEING BUILT RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE SCHOOL THAT THE KIDS CAN ACTUALLY GO THERE AND THEY, THEY CAN'T WALK ACROSS, UH, YOUR TOWN ROAD TO GET TO THE SCHOOL.
UH, THE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE PRINCIPAL OR ONE OF 'EM GRABBED ONE OF THE KIDS ONE TIME AND STOPPED HIM AND SAID HE CAN'T DO IT.
AND, AND IT WAS ALL KIND OF BRUHAHA.
I WENT OVER THIS OVER THE YEARS, I SHOULD SAY DECADES.
UM, THE, THE ISSUE HAD BEEN KIDS ON BIG BETHEL ROAD, YORKTOWN ROAD, UH, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THE TAB HIGH SCHOOL GOING DOWN TO GRAFTON, I MEAN GOING DOWN TO, UH, KHOR NECK AND THEY RUN DOWN THERE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
THEY RUN ALONG KHOR NECK, UH, 35 MILE AN HOUR ROAD.
BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DOING 50 OR WHATEVER AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UM, PROTECTION.
IT'S, AND THEY, AND THE WORST PART IS WHEN THEY TRY TO RUN ACROSS VICTORY BOULEVARD.
SO THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS, UH, TAKING THIS ELEPHANT BITING IT PIECE AT A TIME.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN END UP WITH SOME SORT OF SIDEWALK, AT LEAST DOWN NORTHTOWN ROAD.
AND THE RIGHT NOW, THE MOST IMMEDIATE AND TO ME IS CRITICAL ELEMENT IS TO HAVE A POINT WHERE CHILDREN CAN CROSS THE ROAD.
NOW WE KNOW OUT OF, UM, TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NEARBY NOW, ONE'S SMITH FARMS, THE OTHER ONE'S TAYLOR FARMS, UM, THEY'RE, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE AND COMBINED WITH THE HRSD, UM, PROJECT WHERE THEY HAVE GIVEN US A LOT OF TRAILS AND A PARK IN THE BACK, IF YOU WILL, THE KIDS NOW ARE GONNA START TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL, UM, ESPECIALLY DOWN, UH, FROM SMITH FARMS BECAUSE THEY BUILT, THEY HAVE BUILT A, UH, TR UH, WALKING PATH.
AND THEN DOWN THERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CROSSOVER BY BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH.
THAT'S DOWN A GOOD WAYS FROM YORKTOWN ROAD.
BECAUSE YOU GOT TIDE MILL ROAD, THEN YORKTOWN ROAD.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME IDEA OR SOME WAY OF ALLOWING CHILDREN TO SAFELY CROSS.
WELL, NO, NOT 1 71 THAT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT TOO, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M MORE INTERESTED TO GET ACROSS YOURTOWN ROAD.
UH, AND IT'S RIGHT WHERE BIG BETHEL ROAD, YORKTOWN ROAD MEET BY THE FIRE STATION.
IN THAT AREA IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS.
UH, THE, UM, IT IS INTERESTING, I'VE, I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL CALLS, UH, FROM FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND MOST RECENTLY THE LADY THAT LIVES RIGHT THERE.
AND IT HAPPENS TO BE IN, UH, STEVE'S DISTRICT.
UH, 'CAUSE OUR LINES ARE RUN RIGHT DOWN THAT BY THAT ROAD.
UM, AND THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE ARE, I'VE HAD TO STOP MY CAR AND LET KIDS WALK BY BECAUSE THERE'S LITERALLY NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.
THEY, THEY CAN'T, THEY EITHER JUMP IN THE DITCH AND SOMETIMES THAT DITCH CAN BE FULL OF WATER OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN OVER 'EM MAYBE.
AND I'M JUST NOT GONNA HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD, MY REQUEST HERE FOR THE BOARD IS, UM, I WOULD LIKE US THE BOARD TO, UH, PROMOTE OR GRIEVE YOU WILL, TO HAVE THE STAFF BE, TO COME BACK WITH SOME SOLUTIONS ON HOW WE
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MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THIS.NOW, I KNOW, UM, UH,
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A BIG SIDEWALK HERE.
I'M TALKING, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY A HUNDRED FEET IF THAT MUCH.
UM, AND I'M TALKING TO PRO ABOUT A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA COST MAYBE $300,000.
IT, UH, IT, I, I WOULD SAY THAT BASED ON THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHICH IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN IT COMES TO ROAD PROJECTS, WHATEVER, BUT THIS TO ME IS A CRITICAL PROJECT.
IT'S JUST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE MORE HOUSES ARE COMING IN, MORE TRAFFIC'S COMING IN.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF AT LOOKING AT PUTTING THE, UM, SPEED, SCHOOL SPEED CAMERAS DOWN THERE.
IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THIS GETTING SO JAMMED UP NOW THAT THE CARS ACTUALLY CAN'T SPEED THROUGH BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY JUST JAMMED UP.
IT CAN'T GET THROUGH THE RED LIGHT AND OH MY GOSH, YOU OUGHT TO HEAR THE, THE, THE, THE COMPLAINTS I GET ABOUT THE LIGHTS DOWN AT, UH, BIG BETHEL ROAD IN VICTORY.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS STUFFED BETWEEN MOUNT VERNON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TAB ELEMENTARY, TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
AND WHEN THOSE SCHOOLS IS, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SCHOOL BUSES LIMITATION ON SCHOOL BUSES, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NEVER GET OUT OF THERE TO GO TO WORK.
BECAUSE IT JUST JAMMED CARS COMING IN AND PEOPLE DROPPING OFF.
UM, UH, THE, UH, THE PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WORK, SCHOOL BUSES KIND OF COME IN AND OUT OF THERE AND THEY PUT DEPUTIES DOWN.
AND ONE TIME THEY HAD PULLED DOWN AT THIS PART ABOUT TAP HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ACTUALLY PULLED THE DEPUTY OUT.
DEPUTIES GOT NOW BECAUSE IT WAS SO DANGEROUS.
UH, THEY THEN THE, THE DEPUTIES, NOW WE HAVE A, THE DEPUTIES INTO SCHOOL AND THEY HAVE A CAR AND THEY PARKED A CAR DOWN THERE JUST SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THERE'S A POLICE CAR.
SO, UM, I'M NOT ASKING TO BUILD THIS THING RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M ASKING TO COME BACK WITH A DESIGN NOW.
THREE DESIGNS I'VE SEEN, UH, GET US MOVING FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE CORNER, GENERALLY PRETTY MUCH TO THE CORNER OF, OF YORKTOWN ROAD.
AND, UH, UH, BECAUSE YORKTOWN ROAD DOES ITS RIGHT.
AND THEY CAN MAYBE GET ACROSS AND GO INTO, THAT WAS ONE OF THEM.
ONE OF 'EM IS PUT ACROSS DOWN BY THE FIRE STATION, SO THEY COULD CROSS, CROSS DOWN THERE.
UH, ANOTHER ONE WE EVEN LOOKED GOING DOWN MORE TOWARDS BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH, PUTTING ANOTHER ONE DOWN THAT WAY.
UM, ALL THESE THINGS ARE COMPOUNDED BY PROBLEMS OF, OF INTERSECTIONS WHERE THE, WHERE THE OR ENTRY INTO THE SCHOOLS.
AND IT'S COMPOUNDED BY THE FACT OF THE WAY SCHOOL BUSES COME IN TO THE PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE EVEN, UM, AND OUR LAST, UH, WHEN WE MET AT THE MEETING, UM, BRIAN CAME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT WE MIGHT EVEN TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT REVAMPING HOW THE BUSES EVEN GO INTO THE SCHOOL.
AND SO IT'S A REAL COMPLEX PROBLEM, BUT IT'S A PROBLEM.
I THINK IT, UH, IT, IT, I MEAN IT'S JUST REACHED A POINT NOW WHERE, UM, I, I, I JUST KINDA, I, THE ONLY THING I CAN AT LEAST START WITH IS JUST GET US CROSSWALK.
GET US A, A GATHERING POINT SO STUDENTS CAN GET ACROSS THERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO RIDE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING YOU RIDE A BUS TO GET OUT OF THERE.
YOU HAVE TO GET ON A BUS AND TAKE A 30 MINUTE RIDE JUST TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.
AND SOME OF THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.
AND THEN THE PARENTS DRIVE THEIR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WALK ACROSS THE ROAD.
I'VE TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THIS AND YOU GUYS, HE'S HEARD THIS BEFORE AND, AND I THINK SHIELD'S HEARD THIS FOR YEARS.
I KNOW THE STAFF'S HEARD, HEARD ME TALKING ABOUT THIS.
SO YOU GUYS ARE HEARING IT NOW.
AND I PUT THIS, I PUT THIS TO ME AS A PRIORITY IN, UH, OUR TWO DISTRICTS.
SO YOUR, YOUR ASK IS CONSISTENT FROM THE BOARD TO DIRECT STAFF TO BRING US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN, IN THE NEAR FUTURE MEETING OF WHAT WE CAN DO THERE SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND MAKE A DECISION.
I KNOW THIS IS LONG GOING, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT A PROBLEM ON VICTORY BOULEVARD CROSSING FROM KILN CREEK.
PEOPLE ARE CONTINUALLY CUTTING ACROSS.
AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS GO ACROSS AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, TO, TO STAFF ABOUT THAT.
AND I'VE TALKED TO BEAT OUT ABOUT THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY BEAT OUT WILL CHANGE THE REGULATIONS SO THAT THEY WILL ALLOW A CROSSWALK ON V BOULEVARD.
ALTHOUGH THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN HIGHWAY.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THAT WILL EVER GO THROUGH.
I'M JUST AFRAID SOMEONE'S GOING TO GET HIT ONE OF THESE DAYS.
AND I'M SEEN THE LADY THE OTHER DAY PUSHING A STROLLER YES.
AND AND THEN THEY, SO THEY RUN AND TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE AND THAT MIDDLE CAN BARELY
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HOLD.SO ANYWAY, THERE'S PROBLEMS ALL OVER THIS.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS. SO ONE FOR THE, FOR THE TAB HIGH SCHOOL ONE WE ALL CONCUR TO.
PROVIDE, SO I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON IT.
I THINK THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE FACED AT, UH, GLEE AND, UH, OLD NEWS BRICK ROAD.
AND WE CAME TOGETHER AND GOT THAT SOLVED IN UNDER A YEAR.
I WOULD MAKE A REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER INVOLVING SHERIFFS.
BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE A BIG SAY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR FINAL SOLUTION IS AND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR, WE WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, GET OR GET THEM INVOLVED IN THE TEAM THAT'S LOOKING AT THE OBJECT.
WELL, WE GOT, IT'S GONNA INVOLVE VDOT.
'CAUSE V DOT'S ALWAYS THE OWNER HAVE TO VS ROAD.
IT'S GONNA INVOLVE THE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING UP ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S GONNA INVOLVE THE STAFF, OBVIOUSLY.
AND OBVIOUSLY ANYBODY, THE SHERIFF PUBLIC SAFETY IS GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
I REALLY THINK WE NEED THE SHERIFF INVOLVED.
SO WE GOTTA COME TO SOME SOLUTION BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T BE, CAN'T LEAVE IT UNATTENDED.
HOW, SO MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE CONSIDERED A CROSSOVER WALK, BRIDGE WALK? I KNOW IT'S MORE MONEY.
BUT IT TAKES AWAY THE PROBLEM OF THE TRAFFIC.
COMPLETELY TAKES AWAY THAT PROBLEM.
YOU GUYS GO BACK AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING, BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
I KNOW THEY'RE EXPENSIVE AGAIN, BUT IT THE COST OF WHAT? A CHILD LOSING THEIR LIFE.
IS IT A RESIDENTIAL STREET? IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I'M NOT SURE THE PEOPLE PUT AN ELEVATOR IN IT.
I THINK TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE, BECAUSE WE CAN, WE CAN LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
YOU HAVE TO PUT THE ELEVATOR DOWN.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, WHAT'S THE COST OF SOMEBODY'S LIFE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS, THE STAFF CAN FIGURE THIS STUFF.
THAT'S A GREAT RECOMMENDATION.
I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, ESPECIALLY DOWN AT KILM CREEK.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, YOU GOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE RIGHT THERE TRYING TO GET OVER TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I'M SURE THE BUSINESS WOULD LOVE IT.
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO CROSS THE ROAD OVER BY RAISING CANES WOULD LOVE IT.
SO, I MEAN, SO BECAUSE I, AND IT'S JUST A, IT'S A, BUT THEY COST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU COULD, THEY FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT.
THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST COST, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE QUICKEST, EASIEST WAY WE TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO THANK YOU, UH, THROUGH, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
MS. SHEPHERD, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, MS. ROY, WELL, BEFORE WE LEAVE, UH, I'M WONDERING, TOM, COULD YOU KIND OF COME BACK TO THE, UH, H HR TPO MEETING NOW THAT YOU ATTENDED? I, I'D KINDA LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE THERE AND, AND PARTICULARLY YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
'CAUSE IT REALLY DIDN'T COME HERE FOR, UH, FOR REVIEW.
AND SO COULD YOU TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES AND JUST DESCRIBE THAT? WHICH ONE? THE ONE ABOUT THE LAST ONE? IT'D BE THE LAST ONE, YEAH.
THAT LAST, UH, THE LAST, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IT, AND I BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD BEFORE IT'S, UH, THE THREE, IT'S THE ISSUE OF THE FACT THAT THE ISSUE IS THIS.
IN 2013, WE EVENTUALLY FINALLY GOT THE STATE TO GIVE, GRANT US THE AUTHORITY US TO RESIDENTS, UH, OF HAMPTON ROADS HAMPTONS, TO, UH, THE, THE AUTHORITY TO RAISE OUR OWN TAXES, TO PAY FOR, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ROAD TUNNEL REQUIREMENTS.
OTHERWISE, WE WERE GOING NOWHERE.
UM, AND THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON DECADES, I MEAN DECADES.
AND, AND SO WE DID, WE GOT THE 2013 LAW CAME IN AND IT, WE CREATED FROM THAT, WE CREATED THE HR.
UH, WELL, WE HAD THE HR TPO, THEN WE, WE CREATED THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSION BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO HAVE, UM, AN ORGANIZATION THAT COULD ISSUE BONDS OKAY.
TO COLLECT THE MONEY, MANAGE IT, AND YOUR BONDS GOT IT ALL DONE.
NOW, THE ROAD PROJECTS, WIDENING, WIDENING OF, UH, 64, UH, UP TO THE BOUNDARIES, UH, BASICALLY OF HAMPTON ROADS.
THE DISTRICT, UH, FORTUNATELY, UH, WE GOT A, THE DELEGATES, THE DELEGATE, THE DELEGATE, BARRY KNIGHT WAS ABLE TO GET US ABOUT $500 MILLION.
AND THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND THAT NOW ALL THE WAY TO RICHMOND.
WE'VE DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO, SEE $3.8 MILLION BILLION TO HAMPTON ROAD TUNNEL.
WE GOT THE HIGH RISE BRIDGE, ABOUT $1.4 BILLION.
WE GOT, IN FACT, THAT SAYS ONLY ONE, ONE PART GOING ONE DIRECTION.
WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO BAUER HILL.
AND THEN WE'RE SWINGING BACK UP THROUGH THE, UH, THE, UH, 6 64 WIDENING IS GONNA BE A WIDENING OF SIX.
UH, THE, UH, HRBT THERE, OR THE YEAH, MODERNER MONITOR.
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64 2 64 INTERCHANGE.AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, ALL OF THE, WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE, UH, TUNNEL AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT WIDENING AND, UM, THE TOLL LANES, EXPRESS LANES, THE EXPRESS LANES, NOT TOLL LANE'S A BAD WORD, BUT, UH, THANK YOU.
THEY ARE TOLL, BUT THEY'RE, UH, YOU GOT THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE IS ALL THE ANCILLARY ROADS THAT GO INTO 64 VICTORY BOULEVARD.
YOU'VE HEARD ME HARP ABOUT THAT FOREVER.
UH, YOU NAME EVERY PRIMARY ROAD OR SECONDARY ROAD THAT GOES IN OR CONNECTS OR FEEDS TO THAT AS A PROBLEM.
THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED SUFFICIENTLY.
THE CITIES, EVEN THE CITIES WHO CONTROL THEIR ROADS ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST IF WE CAN'T GET THE STATE TO GIVE US THE MONEY TO DO IT, AND WE CAN'T.
UH, STATE, JUST FOR, FOR POLITICAL REASONS, ECONOMIC REASONS, WHATEVER WILL NOT PUT ENOUGH MONEY AGAINST THE, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION BUDGET TO COVER THE PROBLEMS. HOW CAN WE DO IT? OKAY.
SO THE STAFF, UH, HR TAX STAFF, H AND TPO STAFF GOT TOGETHER AND, UH, AND THEY CAME UP WITH A, THEY LOOKED A STUDY THIS, AND THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU INCREASED THE RIGHT NOW IT'S 0.7%.
IT'S THE TAX RATE THAT WE'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S PART OF THE GAS AND PART OF SOME, UH, SO PART OF SALES TAX, IF YOU INCREASE THAT BY THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT, ALRIGHT, YOU WOULD GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CREATE BONDS, OKAY.
THAT WOULD PAY FOR ALL THE ANCILLARY ROAD PROJECTS IN HAMPTON ROADS.
THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULDN'T THE CURRENT AMOUNT PAID IN GAS TAX OR SALES TAX COVER THE SECONDARY ROADS? BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALMOST DONE THE PRIMARY ROADS.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING DONE WITH THE ROADS AND THEN BEING DONE WITH THE BUDGET OKAY.
AND THAT'S THE DEBT YOU GOTTA CARRY.
OUR DEBT, OUR DEBT LOAD RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE SPENT EVERY PENNY OUT TO I THINK ABOUT 20, 40, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S ZERO FUNDING LEFT, THERE'S ZERO FUNDING LEFT.
AND IN FACT, THERE IS NOW MORE PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO START A NEW, UH, THE, THE NEW DISCUSSION FOR THE WIDENING OF, OF THINGS FROM OUR HILLS AS YOU GO UP TO, UH, THE MARKER MIRAMAC.
ALL RIGHT? AND IN FACT, THERE'S A BIG POLITICAL PIECE TO THIS WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROADS IS SOMETHING, IT USED TO BE CALLED THE THIRD CROSSING.
AND NORFOLK HAS REALLY PUSHING HARD FOR SOME, SOME WAY OF GETTING THAT TRAFFIC OUT OF THE TERMINALS, UH, OFF THE PORTS IN THAT OVER ON A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
EITHER 58, 6, 64, LET'S GET 'EM AWAY, GET 'EM AWAY FROM 60 64, 6 64.
SO ALL THESE PROJECTS, THESE ARE PRIMARY PROJECTS.
THE PRIMARY PROJECTS BY LAW ARE RESTRICTED.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE TO, THEY, THEY, UM, THEY HAVE TO BE FOCUSED ON, UH, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, MITIGATION.
AND THEN THEY GET HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IT'S AFFECTING.
IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OF THE MAJOR ARTERIES, THAT KIND OF THING.
THE SECONDARY ROADS DON'T HAVE THAT.
BUT, UH, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK.
HOW CAN WE MAKE IT WORK? WELL, THE DISCUSSION HAPPENED IN THE MEETING, AND THAT WAS, UH, FROM, UH, THE MAYOR OF, UH, AT KENNY ALEXANDER, MAYOR VIC.
UH, HE, HE HAD ALREADY, HE WAS A, HE USED TO BE A STATE SENATOR.
AND UM, SO HE KNOWS A LOT OF THE PEOPLE UP THERE.
AND HE'S GONE UP AND HE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DELEGATIONS GO UP AND TALK TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND THE ANSWER WAS, IF YOU COULD USE THE WORD TAX, OKAY, IN HERE, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
SO THE DISCUSSION WAS, UM, I THINK I, MY MY SENSE IS THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY PRETTY MUCH WOULD SUPPORT IT.
UH, THERE ARE, IT'S HOW YOU APPROACH, IT'S LIKE APPROACHING THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES, LIKE APPROACHING A RATTLESNAKE.
OKAY? YOU GO WALK, YOU GO IN THERE.
WHEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, IN JOHN WAYNE, AND YOU GO IN THERE, YOU'RE GONNA GET PROBABLY BIT AND DIE.
OKAY? SO IT'S, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, AND SO THIS POINT WAS WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SOCIALIZE THE JOURNAL ASSEMBLY TO OUR NEEDS.
AND THAT'S THE IDEA WAS, HEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH A LIST OF CRITERIA, UM, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT KIND OF ROAD, IS IT, WHERE DOES IT FIT? HOW DOES IT GET TO 64 6 64, 1 OF THESE THINGS? AND THEN THEY'LL COME UP WITH A WHOLE, THE WHOLE LIST OF CRITERIA.
THEN WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ALL THE,
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YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, BASICALLY WHAT IT COSTS NOW COME EVENTUALLY, EVENTUALLY OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, THEY'LL SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.OKAY? NOW, I THINK TECHNICALLY IF YOU WAIT 50 YEARS OR SO, ALRIGHT, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS THAT THIS MONEY, IF IT'S NOT THE WAY WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THINGS WITH UNDER THE 2013 LAW, IF THE STATE DOESN'T COME IN AND JUST TAKE IT AWAY FROM US, WHICH THEY GENERAL ASSEMBLY COULD DO THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WE GOT THIS MONEY NOW AND MM-HMM,
UH, THAT'S GONNA, YOU CAN IMAGINE THE HELL RAISING, THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THIS END OF THE STATE.
RIGHT? AND, BUT THERE'S ALSO A SIMILAR THING GOING ON UP IN NORTHERN WASHINGTON AREA.
OKAY? NORTHERN VIRGINIA, NOT QUITE LIKE US.
WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING OURS PRETTY MUCH SMOOTHER.
UM, BUT THEY'RE MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY GOT A GAZILLION PEOPLE LIVING UP THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PULLING UP SO MUCH OF THE MONEY, UH, THAT COMES OUT OF THE STATE, THAT ALL THE FUNDING GENERALLY GOES OVER THERE OR IT GOES OVER TO 81.
SO ANYWAY, THE, MY, THE, THE, WHAT I WAS GOING ON ABOUT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS THING NOW FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
I KIND OF WENT OFF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO OFF THE RAIL.
WHAT I DID IS I GOT VERY VOCAL ABOUT IT, OKAY? AND I SAID, IT'S TIME.
YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO, LET'S, LET'S DO SOMETHING.
PEOPLE HAD TO DO A REFERENDUM, WOULDN'T YOU? TO, TO INCREASE THE ATTACKS? NO, NO REFERENDUM, NO, NO, NO REFERENDUM.
IT WOULD JUST COME THROUGH THE AUTHORITY FROM, IT WOULD COME THROUGH THE AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE.
IT WAS JUST LIKE 2013 LAW CAME IN.
OKAY? IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SENATE BILL 2013.
AND, UM, SO THE IDEA WAS, AND EVERYBODY, YOUR YOURSELF INCLUDED ME, EVERYBODY WE NEED TO SEE, WE'D HAD COME UP WITH A LIST OF PROJECTS AND IT WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD GENERATE LIKE $83 MILLION A YEAR OFF THAT, OFF THAT, JUST THAT THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS US THEN TO GET ALL THIS LONG RANGE STUFF DONE.
YOUR YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR CITIZENS, YOUR CITIZENS, CONSTITUENTS.
I, I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD IT NOW, YOU'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY HEAR IT.
'CAUSE THE MORE HOUSES YOU GET, THE MORE EVERYTHING YOU GET, THE MORE DAMAGE THE ROADS TO COME.
THE MORE CONGESTED THE ROADS BECOME, THE MORE, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT THEATER ROAD UP THERE? UH, THERE'S THAT.
WHERE IS IT? IT RUNS INTO A, UH, 60, UH, IT'S JUST PEOPLE ARE GET THAT RED LIGHT.
THEY'RE SCREAMING AND HOLLERING ABOUT DAMN RED LIGHTS.
THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T FIX THE ROADS.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT YOU HEARD? YEP.
THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE, UH, THE READER SIDE, READER DIGEST VERSION.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHO MAKES THE DECISION? STATE, STATE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU ARE LOBBYING THE STATE TO, SO TRYING TO GET 'EM TO SOCIALIZE OF THE ISSUE.
SO THROUGH THROUGH VDOT? NO, WE'RE GOING DIRECTLY TO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, WITH VDOT IS A LITTLE AWARE OF THIS.
I MEAN, CHRIS HALL SITS IN THE MEETING.
UH, WE GOT ALL VDOT PEOPLE DOWN.
WELL, V O'S MONEY REALLY SUPPOSED TO GO TO MAINTENANCE FIRST ISN'T, HUH? YES.
THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.
HALF THAT BUDGET IS OUR MONEY.
SO YOU THINK, WHY IS THE STATE SAYING THEY GOT $10 BILLION WHEN HALF OF IT IS OUR MONEY THAT WE RAISED, THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND HERE TO FIX OUR ROADS.
BUT THAT'S THE WAY POLITIC WORKS'.
TWO FOR ME, ONE FOR YOU, TWO FOR ME.
I, I HAD A COUPLE, SO I'LL START WITH THE EASY ONE.
UH, RICHARD UPDATED US ON THE, UH, STATUTE AROUND, UH, HAVING A REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR, UM, FOR FAMILY DAYCARE.
AND HOW OUR TRADITIONAL STYLE OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT BY THE STATUTE DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
WE GOT TALKING AS WE LEFT THE MEETING AND SAID, BOY, WOULDN'T IT BE EASY JUST TO CHANGE THE WORDING OF THAT REGULATION AND TAKE IT BACK TO OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY EASY TO GET IT ENACTED, BUT RICHARD, UH, DON'T LET THE SNAKE BITE.
RIGHT? THE SNAKE MIGHT GET YOU, UH, I MADE A CHANGE TO THAT, UH, REGULATION, WHICH IS BASICALLY STRIKE OUT THE TERM URBAN COUNTY.
AND THEN THE REQUEST IS CAN WE ISSUE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THIS BOARD TO OUR DELEGATE AND OUR SENATOR TO SEE IF THEY WOULD SPONSOR THAT BILL THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY? ABSOLUTELY.
SECOND QUESTION WAS, IN THAT SAME MEMO YOU HAD ISSUED A CREATION OF A REGISTRY FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL OR PROPERTY.
DO YOU NEED AN A LETTER FROM THAT'S COVERED IN
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OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES? I JUST SHARED WITH YOU THE LANGUAGE THAT I WAS GONNA FORWARD TO DELEGATE GREEN TO SNO.WOULD YOU PASS THAT TO MR. ROH? THAT'S THE LETTER THAT MR. HOLE HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT.
WELL, WAS QUICK GET THOSE OUT.
I DROPPED ALMOST LIKE YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
I DRAFTED, UH, ON YOUR BEHALF, ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD APPROVE.
SECOND ITEM I WANTED TO COVER WAS, UH, WAS REALLY THE CODE OF ETHICS.
AND IN, AND MR. RONAN AND I HAVE, UH, HAVE COLLABORATED TO, UH, TO PULL TOGETHER A DOCUMENT AND YOU'VE ALL SEEN A COPY OF IT.
UH, WE, WE STILL FIRMLY BELIEVE, AND, AND I'VE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM, UH, FROM MY CONSTITUENTS, AND WE'VE SEEN IT FROM CITIZENS COMING FORTH AT THE, AT THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER A CODE OF ETHICS.
AND THE MORE I LOOKED AT IT, THE, THE MORE IT MADE SENSE TO ME, I'VE LOOKED AT, UH, SOME OF THE JURISDICTIONS AROUND US THAT ARE IN HOT WATER BECAUSE SOME OF THEIR MEMBERS ARE NOT BEHAVING PROPERLY.
UM, WHAT JURISDICTIONS WERE THOSE? WELL, ONE OF THEM WAS, UH, CHESAPEAKE, CITY OF CHESAPEAKE.
UM, BUT I, I WON'T GET INTO THOSE DETAILS.
I JUST, I, I STILL FIRMLY COME BACK TO FEELING THAT A CODE OF ETHICS IS WHAT WE SHOULD LIVE TO.
AND YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY FROM A CORPORATE WORLD, THAT WAS A DOCUMENT THAT I, AS AN EXECUTIVE SIGN EACH YEAR REQUIRED TO LEGALLY REQUIRED.
UM, MR. SCHEFFER, YOU'VE MADE SOME COMMENTS, UH, BY EMAIL SUGGESTING MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A REVISION TO THIS DRAFT.
I I THINK I'D LIKE TO HEAR THOSE COMMENTS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T LAND ON, UH, GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.
UH, SO WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OUT THERE.
THIS, THIS, THIS WAS THE FIRST VERSION WHICH I, I SPENT SEVERAL HOURS LOOKING AT.
AND THEN, AND THEN STEVE AND I COLLABORATED AND YOU CAME UP WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VERSION.
AND, UH, CAN I SEE THAT ONE PLEASE? YES.
I'LL TALK ABOUT, SO THE, THE I'D LIKE THIS ONE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL ONE, MY CONCERN WAS THAT, UM, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THIS AND I'VE EXPRESSED IT MANY TIMES.
I DON'T LIKE PASSING, UH, RESOLUTIONS OR THINGS LIKE THIS THAT END UP LOOKING LIKE THIS WALLPAPER.
OKAY? THEY, THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME, THEY GOTTA BE WORTH THE EFFORT.
AND, AND, UH, AND UH, AND SO I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE DID WITH THE VERY FIRST ONE WAS WE WERE ACTUALLY JUST, WE'RE QUOTING OR CAPTURING BITS AND PIECES OF STATE CODE.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT, JUST PUTTING STATE CODE INTO THE, INTO THE DOCUMENT.
ALRIGHT? AND WITH THAT ONE THOUGH, I STRESSED, UH, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS GONNA HAVE ANY MEANING WE WERE GONNA HAVE, UH, IT BE SOME CONSEQUENCES TO BAD BEHAVIOR.
SO, UH, AND THAT WAS MORE, I THINK MORE IN LINE WITH, UM, A LOT OF, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO, I CAN'T DRAW A CLEAR PARALLEL WITH WHAT CONGRESS DOES.
OKAY? BUT THEY HAVE THESE KIND OF, KIND OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO SOMETHING, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GO STAND IN THE CORNER SOMEWHERE, WHATEVER,
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT LOCAL POLITICS.
THIS IS, DON'T GET ANY MORE LOCAL THAN THIS.
RIGHT? SO, ALRIGHT, SO HE CHANGED IT AND I THEN I READ THIS ONE AND I'M GOING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS MORE YOU.
IN FACT, IT, IT TOOK OUT ALL THE, ALL THAT CODE STUFF, ALRIGHT? WHICH IS PERFECT FOR ME.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO, GET AWAY FROM ANYWAY.
AND I THOUGHT IT'D JUST COMMON SENSE.
I KNOW I REQUESTED THE CONSEQUENCES THING, BUT JEAN, THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THIS TO ME.
OKAY? THIS IS, THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS TO, TO THE CITIZENS, THIS IS OUR, THIS IS HOW WE OPERATE.
WE, AND WE, I TALKED TO STEVE ABOUT THIS.
LET'S PUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN EXPECT US TO BEHAVE
WE, WE SAY THAT THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA BEHAVE.
WHAT I HAVE TROUBLE WITH, WITH THE, THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS IS IT WAS THE SECTION THAT I BASICALLY RECOMMENDED YOU THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT.
UH, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I SAID I SPENT HOURS GOING, GOING OVER THIS FIRST ONE HERE.
AND, AND IT'S A VERY, ETHICS IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE, VERY, UH, SUBJECTIVE THING, ALL RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S A STATEMENT OF MORALS.
AND, UH, AND YOU CAN BE, AND I KEPT THINKING HOW, OKAY, WE'RE ON THE BOARD, HOW DO WE OPERATE? UM, AND ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AND THAT SHEILA'S CAN BACK ME UP 'CAUSE SHE WAS ON IT FIVE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS BEFORE I GOT ON, WAS THAT, THAT EVERYBODY, WE, WE CALL IT RAISED IN A CERTAIN KIND OF CERTAIN STANDARD OF BEHAVIOR, RIGHT? THIS IS, THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST WON'T TOLERATE CERTAIN THINGS.
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WILL NOT TOLERATE, CITIZENS WON'T TOLERATE IT.SO I KEPT THINKING IF OKAY, REMOVING THE, REMOVING THE CONSEQUENCE PIECES DOES SOMETHING.
I WANT THE, I WANT THE, THE CODE OF ETHICS SAID, OKAY, THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA BEHAVE, THEN WE WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN HARMONY.
WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE, THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA BEHAVE.
AND THAT'S, WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THAT.
SO THE POINT IN HERE IS, I DON'T, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THIS DOCUMENT TO BECOME A POLITICAL TOOL AND HOW IT BECOMES A POLITICAL TOOL.
AND GOD, IF YOU HANG AROUND HERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU'LL LEARN ALRIGHT? IS THAT PEOPLE WILL TAKE ANYTHING THAT YOU SAY, TWIST IT TO ANY WAY THEY CAN.
TO GET THEIR POINT TO, TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'LL EXAGGERATE THINGS.
UM, I MEAN, AND, AND THEN THEY'LL COME UP AND THEY'LL JUST TRY TO BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH IT.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA PROVIDE, UH, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW TO, HOW TO BEHAVE.
I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU'RE ADULTS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT, SOMETIMES YOU'RE ADULTS.
YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GONNA BEHAVE YOURSELF IF YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF? I WILL, I WILL BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND GO, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA GO STAND IN THE CORNER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE THAN THAT.
AND SO I JUST DON'T SEE THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE GOT, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD DOCUMENT.
IF YOU TAKE THESE TWO PIECES OUT, I DON'T SEE, I, I DON'T WANT TO STIFLE FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU REPRESENT YOUR CITIZENS.
IF YOU UPSET YOUR CITIZENS, THEY COME AFTER YOU.
RIGHT? AND I DON'T THINK THE BOARD, I DON'T NEED A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO TELL ANOTHER SUPERVISORS, ANOTHER SUPERVISOR HOW TO BEHAVE THEMSELVES.
SO I JUST FELT THAT THAT THEN WITH THE, THE, THAT SANCTIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WAS JUST, IT MADE IT, IT JUST MADE THIS DOCUMENT LESS HARMONIOUS.
MR. ROME, CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT CHANGE? I, YEAH.
AND, AND NOTHING, AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S WRITTEN IN STONE.
WE CAN CERTAINLY START OUT WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES LIVE WITH THOSE, AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT LATER ON, WE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT LATER ON.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S A MAJOR MILESTONE TO HAVE THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES IN PLACE.
WHY, AGAIN, WHAT PEOPLE CAN, WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT, WHAT THE BEHAVIOR DON'T DO.
AND I THINK, AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DEMONSTRATING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE CHARACTERISTICS.
SO, SO PUT SO HIGHLIGHTING THOSE AND IN, UH, ARTICULATING THOSE IS AN NONIS ISSUE.
WHY? I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY? LEMME IN FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE WON'T BE HERE.
SO YOU GONNA, YOU'RE JUST GONNA GO, LET, LET PUT IT TO, WE DON'T CARE.
LET KNOW, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.
I THINK A LOT OF WORK IS GOING INTO THIS.
I LOOK AT IT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S THE WAY WE PRACTICE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN WRITING.
AND THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE ALWAYS REACTED.
SO WHAT'S THE HARM IN PUTTING IN A WRITING? WHAT, WHAT'S THE DOWNFALL OF THAT? WHAT'S THE NEGATIVE OF THAT? THE NEGATIVE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT IN WRITING.
PUT IT IN WRITING WHEN YOU DECIDE TO RETIRE.
AND THE REST OF US ARE HERE AND SOMEBODY COMES ON, THEY DON'T ACT THAT WAY BECAUSE PRINCIPALS ARE CHANGING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THE NEWS LATELY.
MORALS HAVE BEEN CHANGING, BUT OURS HAVE NOT CHANGED BECAUSE WE'RE OF THE OLDER GENERATION.
AND AS LONG AS WE'RE THE OLDER GENERATION.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN WRITING.
TO ME, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TO PROTECT THIS COUNTY FOR, FOR THE NEXT GENERATION TO COME.
WE HAVE TAKEN TO THIS COUNTY, I'VE BEEN TAKEN TO THIS COUNTY FOR 20 SOME ODD YEARS.
THEY'RE MY OWN PERSONAL ETHICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE I'M HERE TO SERVE.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO PUT IT IN WRITING.
IF THEY DON'T TRUST ME, THEY WON'T VOTE FOR ME.
SO YOU THAT I DON'T, YOU'RE NOT VOTE FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE WHEN WE SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? IT'S JUST A STATEMENT OF, OF REAFFIRMATION OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT BEING, UM, IS NOT BEING A, IT'S GONNA BE A RESOLUTION IN A DOCUMENT THAT IS PART OF THE PROCEDURES OF HOW ICE BOARD OPERATES.
AND ALL IT IS IS A STATEMENT OF, OF WHAT WE BELIEVE.
IT'S WHAT WE CAPTURED HERE IS THE BEHAVIORS THAT, THAT WE DIS, THAT WE DISPLAY NOW THAT WE BELIEVE ARE CORRECT AS ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES.
AND BY DOCUMENTING THIS AND GETTING INTO OUR POLICIES,
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PROCEDURES, IT SETS A STANDARD FOR EVERY BOARD MEMBERS THAT COMES AFTER US.AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, EXCEPT THAT WHAT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO SET THE STANDARD FOR OTHERS.
'CAUSE WE'RE SETTING IT FOR OURSELVES.
IT THE, NO, THE VOTERS ARE THE ONES WHO PUT THEM IN OFFICE, NOT US.
THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE REPRESENTATIVE.
AND IF A BOARD LATER ON DECIDES THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE, THEN, THEN THEY, THEY'LL CHANGE IT.
THEN THEY CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES TO IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SET A STANDARD, MAKE A STATEMENT HERE TODAY THAT HEY, THESE ARE OUR GUIDING AND PRINCIPLES AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT THIS BOARD AND THEN, AND FUTURE BOARDS TOO ARE HERE TO NO, YOU'RE WELCOME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO IT.
I, I THINK, THINK YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH WORDING, VERBIAGE IN THIS.
I THINK JUST LOOK AT THE TOP PART.
I I THINK THIS WOULD BE FINE UP HERE.
WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS, THIS EXPLAINS, THIS EXPLAINS THAT.
IT'S THE EXPLANATION OF, IT'S A PARAGRAPH FOR EACH.
THIS GOES IN THE BACK OF YOUR BUSINESS CARD.
UM, I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR, FOR DOING THIS, BUT SHEILA, WE JUST ARE PUTTING IT IN OUR BOARD PROCEDURE.
WHAT? WHICH, IT'S ONLY GOING IN OUR BOARD PROCEDURES.
AND YOU ALL, IF YOU ALL PUT IT THROUGH, THAT'S FINE.
I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA VOTE DOWN.
PROCEDURES, JUST DON'T PROCEDURES LET, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T STAB THIS SUCKER TO DEATH.
OKAY? I JUST DO GET ON WITH IT.
UH, I I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS, SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE HAVE TO, THE ISSUE IS, IS IT GONNA ALWAYS BE DONE THIS WAY? I'M NOT, I'M NOT, PEOPLE DON'T THINK LIKE YOU ALL THE CAN'T, CAN'T THINK PEOPLE DON THINK LIKE ME ALL THE, I CAN'T THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF YORK COUNTY.
MY JOB IS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M ON THE BORDER FOR HUNDRED YEARS TO COME.
THE SHEILA NOT FOR JUST TODAY OR TOMORROW.
I I CAN'T, I CANNOT LEGISLATE SOMEBODY'S ELSE'S MORALS.
THAT'S WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION THEN? WE WE CAN SET A STANDARD.
WHY DO WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION THAT'S BEEN HERE? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANNA MARK OUT.
SO THAT LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS, IT'S SAME THING.
IT SERVES AS A FOUNDATION FOR OUR DECISION MAKING ACTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS THROUGHOUT OUR TERM.
OKAY? THESE ARE THE TWO JUST YOU TAKE OUT.
WELL, RICHARD, YOU WERE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE IT TOOK OUT THE LAST LINE.
TOM, WHICH ONE DID YOU TAKE OUT? IT'S JUST THE LAST TWO PARAGRAPHS.
I DEFINITELY DON'T LIKE QUESTION.
WHAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED IS WHAT WE TAKE AN STRIP YEAH.
TO SIT IN A MEETING AND THEN YOU, THEY'RE NOT EVEN, IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THAT RIGHT THERE.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN CENTER AND DO OTHER THINGS WITH POWERS THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD.
UH, BUT WHAT WHAT I WAS CAUTIONING ABOUT WAS IN GIVING YOURSELVES THE ABILITY TO SAY, FOR INSTANCE, A MEMBER CANNOT ATTEND A BOARD MEETING, WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOU GUYS, SO THESE TWO, THESE TWO, THIS TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT.
AND THIS WOULD THEN BE A OKAY DOCUMENT.
SO WE TAKE THOSE TWO PARAGRAPHS OUT AND THEN WE, AND THE PLAN IS TO SUBMIT THE REST OF IT AS CHANGES TO THE BOARDS OF PROCEDURES.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU PROVIDE, YOU HAVE IT IN WORD.
I GUESS I NEED TO BE, I, I GUESS I NEED TO KNOW WHY, WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.
WHY IS OF ALLEGIANCE? I THINK WE BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE AND WHAT WE WILL HONOR.
AND, AND I WILL STAND, STAND UP.
I GUESS I KNOW WHY THESE AREN'T OUR, THESE ARE OUR STANDARDS NOW.
SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR? I DON'T, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THIS IS WHAT'S GETTING TO ME A LITTLE BIT.
I I THINK PEOPLE WILL QUESTION YOUR STANDARDS UNTIL YOU, UNTIL YOU DOCUMENT WHAT THEY ARE AND DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE MEETING THEM.
I CAN SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
THIS IS, BUT THIS IS THE PART OF DOCUMENTING HOW WE AS A BOARD WILL BEHAVE AND IT'LL BE PART OF OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT WE ADOPT EACH YEAR.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE OATH, YOU WOULDN'T TAKE IT.
BUT THE OATH STANDS FOR HOW WE BEHAVE.
SO THAT WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU'RE AGAINST IT.
THAT'S THE BOTHER, THE BOTHER FOR ME.
IF YOU SIT ON ANY OTHER BOARD, THEY HAVE THEIR RULES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOCUMENTING, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, NO, I NEVER HAD THEY'VE GONNA DO OR NOT GONNA DO, NEVER.
I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY OF THIS PRESENTED AT ALL.
THE PEOPLE TRUST US OR WE WOULDN'T BE ELECTED.
WE, THE WAY WE ACT, THE WAY WE, WE OBJECTIVELY RULE.
SO FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTY, OUR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
DO YOU THINK THE OTHER COUNTIES AND
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CITIES AROUND HERE THAT DO IT ARE WRONG? AND WHAT THEY DO? 'CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND HERE, HERE HAS A CODE OF ETHICS.I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE OTHER ONES DO.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S SETTLE THAT 'CAUSE WE, WE REPRESENT OUR CITIZENS.
IF YOU DON'T CARE, THEN THAT SETTLES THAT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T REPRESENT THE OTHER CITIZENS.
AND EACH OF US HAS A RESPONSIBILITY AS, AS WE TAKE A VOTE OF, UH, OF OFFICE.
AND REMEMBER, WE'VE HAD BOTH OF, AND WE DO AND WE'VE BEND OVER BACKWARDS.
WE BELIEVE ME, I I HAVE NOT, EXCEPT FOR THE ONE EXCEPTION THAT I SENT TO YOU ABOUT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY BOARD MEMBER BE SELF-SERVING EXCEPT IN ONE EXCEPTION.
AND ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SERVED WITH, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEDICATED SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ELECTED TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
WELL, REMEMBER SHEILA TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT.
WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF OUR CITIZENS COME AND SPEAK TO US UPSTAIRS ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY.
AND I RECOGNIZE WHO THEY WERE.
THEY, THEY WERE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT AND THEY'RE CITIZENS.
AND I ALSO KNOW THAT MY CITIZENS VOTED ME INTO OFFICE.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THE VOTES FOR IT.
I AM THERE'S NO VOTING GOING ON NOW.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU PRESENTED COULD GET THAT.
AND WE'RE EXPRESSING OUR OPINIONS.
AND YOU ALL HAVE THE MAJORITY RULES AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OPINION.
HAVE A WONDERFUL MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY, UH, SEASON, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE WITH NEXT MEETING.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE WHERE YOU GO.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING? I'LL GO SKIING.
OH, A DO YOU HAVE ROOM IN YOUR SUITCASE? YEAH.
NO, WE'LL BE HERE AND WE'LL, WE, WE'LL MISS YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN'T ZOOM IN TRIP.
WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING? WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING? WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU, OR YOU MIGHT PROBABLY WITH HOMEWORK UNTIL DAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO EUROPE? UH, YES.
WITH YOUR DAUGHTER? UH, VISITING MY DAUGHTER.
WELL, I THINK IT'S ONE, UH, AND I'LL JUST WRAP UP SAYING IMPORTANT EVENT COMING UP.
CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHT AND CEREMONY.
AND START, EVERYTHING STARTS TO SIXTH.
AND I'LL JUST SAY, I'M, I'M, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE SE THE SEASON THAT, THAT STARTS IT.
YOU'VE GOT ON SATURDAY, THE LIGHT, LIGHT OF BOAT.
YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE LIGHT OF BOAT PARADE AND YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE THING ON BALLARD STREET.
BUT ANYWAY, SO, AND SANTA CLAUS IS COMING.
AND YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST HAPPY TO DRIVE AROUND AT NIGHTTIME AND SEE ALL THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS GOING UP.
SO YOU'LL BE BACK FOR THE HOCKEY THOUGH.
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UM, WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR YOU TO TAKE US IN SESSION.I'LL FIND IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE COURT OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3 7 11 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THE ORDER SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING, WHICH REGARD REAL PROPERTY USED FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO POSSIBLE ACQUISITION OF SEVERAL PARCELS OF REAL PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3 7 11, A SIX OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOS MEETING TO DISCUSS A MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING CONTRACT RELATED TO THE INVESTMENT OR PUBLIC FUNDS WHERE COMPETITION OR BARGAINING IS INVOLVED.
AND FINALLY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3 7 11, A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND ENCLO MEANING TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, CONSULTANTS, AND OR STAFF ON A MANAGE OF PUBLIC PROBABLE LITIGATION IN WHICH THE COUNTY MAY BECOME INVOLVED.
FOLKS, THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.