Oct 15, 2024 Board of Supervisors

WE'RE STARTED TONIGHT WITH INVOCATION BY MR. NATHANIEL DUNSTER OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION WILL LEAD US.

THAT'S OKAY.

LET US POWER HEADS.

DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME WHERE WE CAN JOIN TOGETHER THE MINDS THAT YOU'VE LEFT US WITH, SO THAT WE MIGHT BETTER THE COMMUNITY.

I PRAY FOR WISDOM SO THAT WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF ALL AND DISCERN THE SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS WE FACE.

MAY WE TREAT ALL THOSE AROUND US WITH LOVE AND DIGNITY, AND LET US BE REMINDED THAT WE TREAT OTHERS THE WAY WE WANT TO BE TREATED.

AS WE START THIS MEETING, LET US COME TOGETHER TO UNIFY AND RESOLVE, NOT DIVIDE AND CONFUSE.

HELP GUIDE US TO LEAD AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY WITH CARE, KINDNESS, GENTLENESS, AND ABOVE ALL, LOVE.

MAY WE HONOR YOU IN OUR SPEECH, ACTIONS, AND THOUGHTS THIS EVENING.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.

AMEN.

THANK YOU, MR. STER.

UM, ALSO, SO, UH, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I'M GONNA CALL ON CAMERON THORSON, ALSO FOR THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

CAMERON ING, AS YOU'RE READY, I TO FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA INTO THE REPUBLIC FOR IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

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[1* VACo Achievement Award Presentation to the York-Poquoson Social Services for the Friendly Visitor Volunteer Program by Deputy Director Katie Boyle.]

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE, UM, VACO ACHIEVEMENTS AWARD PRESENTATION, AND WE'LL CALL DEPUTY DIRECTOR KATIE BOYLE TO COME JOIN US AT THE PODIUM.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR, FELLOW AND LADY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, I'M KATIE BOYLE.

I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES, AND IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO CELEBRATE YOUR SUCCESS AND TO PRESENT YOU WITH A VACO ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

UH, WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YORK COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IN VACO.

UH, WE KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR ORGANIZATION, UH, BUT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT US, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE AS FAMILIAR, UH, WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1934 TO SERVE AND SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS AS COUNTY OFFICIALS.

WE SUPPORT COUNTIES THROUGH OUR STATE AND FEDERAL ADVOCACY WORK, OUR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, OUR MEMBER SERVICES, AND OUR COMMUNICATIONS EFFORTS.

IN 2003, WE ESTABLISHED OUR ACHIEVEMENT AWARD PROGRAM, AND THAT PROGRAM RECOGNIZES COUNTIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED INNOVATIVE APPROACHES TO PROVIDING PUBLIC SERVICES.

AND IT IDENTIFIES PROGRAMS THAT COULD SERVICE MODELS FOR OTHER COUNTIES TO EMULATE.

UM, THIS PROGRAM'S ALWAYS BEEN COMPETITIVE, AND THAT TRADITION WAS DEFINITELY UPHELD THIS YEAR.

WE HAD RECORD PARTICIPATION IN 2024.

WE HAD 145 ENTRIES, SO OUR JUDGES HAD A REALLY DIFFICULT TASK THIS YEAR.

UH, BUT THEY SELECTED 45 WINNERS FROM 32 COUNTIES.

SO YOU ALL ARE PART OF THAT 31% OF WINNING ENTRIES.

SO THAT'S REALLY GREAT.

SO TONIGHT, I'M VERY PROUD TO BE HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR 15TH VACO ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.

SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO PRESENT A 2024 VACO ACHIEVEMENT AWARD TO THE FRIENDLY VISITOR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM.

SO, FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS INITIATIVE, THE FRIENDLY VISITOR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM TAKES ON A HUGE CHALLENGE IN OUR SOCIETY, SOCIAL ISOLATION AND LONELINESS AMONG OLDER ADULTS.

AS YOUR STAFF NOTED IN THEIR SUBMISSION, LONELINESS IS LITERALLY BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH.

IT SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES THE RISK OF DEVELOPING CLINICAL DEMENTIA AMONG OTHER HARMFUL EFFECTS.

SO THE FRIENDLY VISITOR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT THAT COMBATS THAT ISOLATION BY MATCHING INDIVIDUALS RECEIVING SERVICES FROM THE YORK POC AND DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES WITH VOLUNTEERS WHO CAN MAKE FRIENDLY VISITS TO PLAY BOARD GAMES.

GO FOR A WALK OR JUST TALK.

SO IN PREPARING FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I WAS, UM, READING THROUGH THE SUBMISSION FROM YOUR STAFF, AND I WAS JUST SO PROUD TO READ ABOUT THE SUCCESS THAT THE PROGRAM HAS HAD THUS FAR, AND THE IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIPS THAT IT'S BUILT, UM, IN YOUR COMMUNITY WITH BOTH YOUR CLIENTS AND YOUR VOLUNTEERS SPEAKING ABOUT FEELING MORE CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROUD OF GIVING BACK.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY FANTASTIC.

UM, MS. MACCHIO, MS. EDWARDS AND MS. HALL ARE HERE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

UM, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I HAVE A PLAQUE ON BEHALF OF VACO TO PRESENT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR, YOUR ACHIEVEMENT.

UM, SO PLEASE ALLOW ME TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE PROGRAM AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

AND SO, IF I COULD, UM, BRING UP YOUR STAFF TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

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WE'RE HONORED TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD HERE TODAY, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEVELOPING THIS PROGRAM OUT OF NEED.

WE HAVE MS. STEPHANIE EDWARDS, WHO IS OUR FAMILY SERVICES SUPERVISOR ON THE ADULT SERVICES SIDE.

WE ALSO HAVE MS. DENISE HALL.

SHE'S OUR RESOURCE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR.

AND, UH, SHE HAS A SATELLITE OFFICE ALSO OUTSIDE OF POCOS.

AND SO BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM THROUGH COVID, UM, THEY RECOGNIZE THE NEED AND THEY DEVELOP THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

SO I'M GONNA LET THEM GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT IT.

YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU.

HELLO EVERYONE.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY, UM, OF THE FRIENDLY VISITOR PROGRAM.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A FRIENDLY VISITOR, A VERY SMALL FRIENDLY VISITOR PROGRAM.

PRIOR TO COVID.

WE HAD TWO VOLUNTEERS, UM, WHO WERE VERY FAITHFUL, UH, IN COMING TO OUR AGENCY AND SERVED A FEW CLIENTS.

THEY WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE MALL, UM, TAKE THEM OUT TO EAT AND JUST DO SOME FRIENDLY VISITING.

SO WHEN COVID HIT, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL STOPPED.

AND THEN, UM, IN 2022, I BELIEVE DENISE AND I STARTED TALKING ABOUT REINSTITUTING, THE FRIENDLY VISITOR VOLUNTEER PROGRAM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DURING COVID, THERE WAS SO MUCH SOCIAL ISOLATION AND, UM, A LOT OF OUR YORK AND POCOS AND ELDERLY RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION, AND THEIR CHILDREN AND FAMILY MEMBERS LIVE OUT OF STATE.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO PROVIDE FRIENDLY VISITORS TO THEM.

AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DENISE.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, SO IN TAKE IN, SO IN LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM, WE THOUGHT, WELL, HOW CAN WE BEST BRING THE TWO TOGETHER VOLUNTEERS AND THE NEED OF OUR CLIENTS? UM, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, AND WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.

SO ON OUR ONLINE APPLICATION, WHICH A, A COPY IS IN YOUR BOOK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT, WE WANNA MATCH THE LIKES WITH, UM, VOLUNTEERS.

UH, DO YOU LIKE TO READ? DO YOU LIKE TO DO PUZZLES? DO YOU LIKE TO GO FOR LUNCH? TELL ARE YOU A VETERAN? TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN, WHAT ARE YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR AVAILABILITY? ARE YOU AVAILABLE ONLY ON TUESDAYS FOR AN HOUR? ARE YOU AVAILABLE ONCE A MONTH? TWICE A MONTH? WE WANT YOUR INPUT TO LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN TAKE, UM, WHAT TIME YOU DO HAVE TO THE SUCCESS, TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR PROGRAM AND TO HELP OUR CLIENTS.

UM, WE ALSO TOOK INTO, UM, ACCOUNT, UM, THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE, THAT WE CAN DO IN YORK COUNTY, UM, AS FAR AS, LIKE WE SAID, LUNCHES, UH, PARKS, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE, OUR CLIENTS CAN GO TO AND VISIT AND KIND OF GET OUT OF THEIR HOME AND GET, UM, TALKING AND SPEAKING AND INTERACTING, UH, WITH THE GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN YORK COUNTY, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, THESE LADIES CAME UP WITH IT.

THEY RECOGNIZED ONE OR TWO VOLUNTEERS WASN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY SUSTAIN THE PROGRAM.

SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY PARTNERED WITH FOUR COLLEGES AT THIS POINT.

SO WE HAVE INTERNSHIPS, UM, OF STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING TO GET THEIR VOLUNTEER HOURS THROUGH US, AS WELL AS WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE ADVERTISING IT OUTWARD.

AND RECENTLY, UM, DENISE HAS BEEN IN TALKS WITH A LOCAL BANK HERE IN YORK COUNTY THAT IS LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT IT FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AS PART AS THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

IT WILL GIVE US A, A PLETHORA OF VOLUNTEERS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND RUN.

ONE IMPORTANT NOTE, 'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU SAY VOLUNTEERS, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW YOUR PACKET, EVERY VOLUNTEER THAT COMES THROUGH COMES THROUGH A TRAINING, A BACKGROUND CHECK.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A DRIVING COURSE.

IT ISN'T JUST, YES, I'D LIKE TO VOLUNTEER FOR AN HOUR, AND WE PARTNER WITH THEM A CLIENT.

THERE IS A VETTING PROCESS UPFRONT.

UM, BUT WE DO THAT TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS OF BOTH YORK COUNTY AND THE CITY OF POSA.

GET THEM TO THE PICTURES.

AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, REALLY WANNA, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.

AND, UH, I, ON BEHALF OF VACO, WE'VE BROUGHT A PLAQUE TO RECOGNIZE YOUR ACHIEVEMENT.

AND SO CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.

EXCUSE.

GET,

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PICTURES, ALL THE PEOPLE MAKING IT HAPPEN.

GET THEM IN THE PICTURE.

I'M REALLY GOOD IF THE TWO OF YOU WANT THANK YOU.

HEATHER SHOULD TAKE THAT.

SO, UH, QUICKLY COMMENTS, UH, FROM, FROM THE BOARD, ANYBODY, ANYTIME THAT WE GET VOLUNTEERS, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE.

KATIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

'CAUSE IT'S INNOVATIVE AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE COPIED BY OTHERS.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A SHOUT OUT TO MARGARET AND HER TEAM.

I THINK THE SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, EFFORT IN THIS COUNTY IS SECOND TO NONE.

AND UH, I THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

YEAH, I ECHO THE SAME.

UH, VOLUNTEERS ARE HARD TO COME BY AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES YORK COUNTY GREAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE AND, UH, LIVE HERE AND VOLUNTEER HERE, SO WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

AND THEN, UH, THE LADIES THAT HAVE PUT ALL THIS TIME AND EFFORT INTO MAKING THIS PROGRAM WORK IS, UH, HATS OFF TO YOU.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DRIVING ALL THE WAY OVER HERE.

WHERE'D YOU HAVE TO COME FROM? .

JUST FROM RICHMOND.

RICHMOND'S.

ALWAYS A NICE EVENING.

IT ONLY AN HOUR AND A HALF.

ALWAYS A NICE EVENING TO BE IN YORK COUNTY.

WELL, ANYWAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER HERE TO PRESENT AWARD.

I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT MAKES OUR COUNTY SUCCESS.

OUR COUNTY DOES NOT WORK WITHOUT THE VOLUNTEERS.

I MEAN, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE SEEN IT, OUR VOLUNTEERS WOULD MAKE, WHICH MAKE OUR COUNTY REALLY, UH, A VERY EFFECTIVE, UH, UH, GOVERNMENT.

AND I'M GLAD THE YOUTH, UH, YOUTH NEW YOUTH COMMISSIONS HERE TO SEE THIS BECAUSE THIS AWARD IS, UH, VERY, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S THE RECOGNITION BY THE, UH, THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.

WE HAVE 95 COUNTIES IN THIS, UH, IN THIS STATE.

AND SO THE GETTING AN AWARD LIKE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU SAID THIS IS OUR 15TH AWARD? YES, SIR.

AND, UH, YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT A STAFF THAT REALLY STEPS UP AND, UH, COMES UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS OVER THE YEARS.

SO AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE LADIES THAT, UH, HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU TO SOCIAL SERVICES STAFF, YOUR DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO BE ALONE IF THEY DON'T WANT, DON'T WANT TO BE ALONE.

AND I'M SO GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE RESTARTED THIS PROGRAM BACK UP POST COVID, AND GET THAT GOING AGAIN.

'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED IN THE COUNTY.

I KNOW SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US ABOUT THE, THE NEEDS FOR ADULTS, UM, SERVICES AND, AND I KNOW YOUR STAFF IS FULL OF ACTIVITIES AND PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.

SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE ABLE TO CARVE TIME OUT TO DO SOMETHING UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND, AND PLEASE CONTINUE ON.

[2* York County Youth Commission: Introduction and Quarterly Report from Jacob Corbett, Chair, York County Youth Commission.]

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ALONG.

SECOND PRESENTATION, MR. JACOB CORBETT IS GONNA COME JOIN US FROM THE YOUTH COMMISSION TO GIVE US THE QUARTERLY REPORT.

MR. CORBITT, YOU HAVE THE PODIUM.

IN ORDER TO MAKE THE YOUTH BE AN APPARENT ASPECT, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THIS IS THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION.

THERE ARE, UH, MY NAME IS JACOB CORBIT, JUST TO START OFF, AND I'M A MEMBER AT YORK HIGH SCHOOL, AND I AM PART OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION.

THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION IS A COMMISSION THAT IS, UH, HAS 20 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

AND IT IS MEANT TO BE A BRANCH BETWEEN THE STUDENTS OF YORK COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU GUYS, SO THAT WE CAN VOICE THE, GIVE THE VOICE TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF YORK COUNTY, ALL THE STUDENTS AND THE YOUTH SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING AND THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SCHOOLS.

AND WE WERE APPOINTED BY YOU GUYS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SO THAT WE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE WORTHY OF THIS POSITION.

AND WE SERVE AS THE COMMUNICATION LINK BETWEEN THE YOUTH OF YOUR COUNTY AND YOU GUYS.

AND WE WILL, SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS THAT WE WILL GO OUT INTO THE SCHOOLS, WE WILL TALK TO STUDENTS, AND THEN WE WILL BRING THESE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE FOR THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED IN THE SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT'S LIKE, LIKE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS OR WITH IDEAS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

AND THEN WE'LL BRING THOSE OUT AND WE'LL, SOMETIMES WE DO SERVICE PROJECTS AND VOLUNTEER WORK ACROSS THE COUNTY

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AND SO, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION, WHY IT'S A GOOD, WHY IT BENEFITS US IS BECAUSE WE GET TO LEARN ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR SOME OF US WHO ARE CONSIDERING CAREERS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR ANYTHING THAT WE COULD BE DOING.

IT JUST IS POSITIVE FOR OUR EDUCATION AND MAKING US STRONG LEADERS FOR THE FUTURE OF WHATEVER CAREER WE MAY HAVE.

THE MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION INCLUDE JESSE KOAC FROM BRUTON HIGH SCHOOL AND DISTRICT ONE, ABIGAIL SHELDON, ALEXANDRA HAYES.

AND THEN IN DISTRICT TWO WE HAVE LILA HARMON, MIKAYLA SCOTT, CONNOR LINEHAN, AND SENDER GANSU.

IN DISTRICT THREE, WE HAVE JACOB CORBETT, MYSELF, THE CHAIR, KATE HOGAN, NATALIE MOSS, AND ALICE SOUTH IN DISTRICT FOUR, WE HAVE LUIS WONG, KAITLYN SMITH, VICTORIA LEMKE, AND EMILY KHALIL.

IN DISTRICT FIVE, WE HAVE NEY, DONOR BOV, EDDIE ZOO, CAMERON THORSON, AND NATHAN NATHANIEL DUNSTER.

MR. CORBET.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM FROM THE BOARD, MR. SHEPHERD? WELL JUST, UH, THANK YOU, .

HE'S, HE'S MY BUTTON PUSHER OVER HERE.

, UM, MORE WAYS THAN ONE.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO IT'S INTERESTING IN YOUR, YOUR YOUNG CAREERS, IN YOUR LIFE, UM, THAT, UH, YOU'RE NOW PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, OKAY? I DON'T, ARE WE GIVING THESE GUYS PENS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? THEY GET THE LITTLE PEN COUNTY PENS, OKAY.

RIGHT? YES.

THAT IS CORRECT.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THAT MR. SCOTT.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A, THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT NOW, AND THEY, AND THE JOB, YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT YOU CAN TAKE TWO COURSES, REALLY NOT IN AN IN BETWEEN.

YOU CAN DO AN ALL OR NONE.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN GO BACK AND SIT BACK AND, AND, OH, I'M ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION AND RUN OFF AND DO NOTHING.

OR YOU CAN USE THE YOUTH COMMISSION AND TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

AND THE IMPORTANT PART HERE, UH, FOR US, AND WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS YOU MAKING A DIFFERENCE, LEARNING THINGS.

YOU COME UP HERE AND YOU GIVE A SPEECH AND YOU'RE GONNA GET BETTER AT IT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WONDERFUL.

TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY YOU CAN AND GIVE A SPEECH AND EVERY TOP, EVERY OPPORTUNITY YOU CAN TO BE INVOLVED IN THINGS AND LEARN, LEARN.

THIS IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN GROWING UP.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU.

IT WASN'T, UH, NECESSARILY AN EASY TASK.

I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO ADD AN EXTRA, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER TO EACH OF THE DISTRICTS.

AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S, YOU GOT AN IMPORTANT JOB.

I'LL BE INTERESTED IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU COME BACK AND YOU FOR YOUR SURVEYS.

I KNOW THE OTHER SUPERVISORS WILL ALSO, WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, BULLYING, UH, LONELINESS, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY, YOU GUYS THINK OF THINGS COME UP AND TELL US ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT CAN CHANGE THE LAWS AND THE RULES.

OKAY? SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, SAME HERE.

UM, GREAT JOB.

AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND GALS STEPPING UP, UH, AS LEADERS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING UP HERE, UH, TRYING TO DO SOME LEADING FOR THE COUNTY, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO A, A GOOD JOB AND IT'LL MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS ONE DAY WHEN MAYBE SOME OF YOU'LL BE SITTING UP HERE IN OUR SEATS OR MAYBE FURTHER UP THE LADDER, UH, AT THE STATE LEVEL OR MAYBE EVEN THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

SO, UH, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE YOUNG PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME WE SEE YOUNG PEOPLE JUST SITTING ON THEIR PHONES OR THEIR IPADS OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY ENGAGED IN GOVERNMENT FOR SURE.

AND, UM, AND MAYBE NOT EVEN IN SCHOOL.

UH, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK AND THE EXTRA TIME THAT YOU PUT IN AS VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING PAID, BUT YOU'RE GETTING ATTA BOYS.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EFFORT.

AND SOMETIMES WE NEED A LITTLE NUDGE JUST TO KNOW WHAT WORLD IS REALLY LIKE THESE DAYS.

THANK YOU, MR. NO.

ONE OF THE NICEST THINGS THAT WE DO IN YORK.

OOPS.

I GOTTA PRESS THE BUTTON.

IT'S ON .

WE ARE STILL GETTING USED TO THE MICROPHONES.

I THINK ONE OF THE NICEST THINGS THAT WE DO IN YORK COUNTY IS THE OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.

AND ONE OF THE OUTREACH PROGRAMS HAPPENS TO BE THE YOUTH COMMISSION.

WE DON'T LIVE IN A BUBBLE.

WE NEED TO HEAR FROM OTHERS.

AND SO YOU HAVE A VOICE, DON'T PUT IT UNDER A BA A BUSHEL BASKET.

LET US HEAR FROM YOU BECAUSE WE ARE FAR REMOVED FROM YOU AGE-WISE,

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SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.

PLEASE CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS OR YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

AND COMMUNICATION IS A TWO-WAY STREET.

ALL RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU CAN COME TO US AND WE CAN COME TO YOU.

AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL YEAR, AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. ROY.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK JACOB, GREAT PRESENTATION.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, TAKING ON THE CHAIR OF THIS GROUP.

UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THE YOUTH COMMISSION IN PLACE AND, AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE LARGER MEMBERSHIP, UH, WE REALLY LOOK FOR ADVICE ON MANY TOPICS.

WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD YOUTH PARTICIPATION ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE'VE HAD, UH, INPUT INTO THE PARKS AND REC.

WE'VE HAD INPUT INTO OUR BICYCLE PASS.

UM, WE'VE HAD INPUT INTO THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM, ALL KINDS OF EXAMPLES WHERE WE NEED INPUT FROM YOUR LEVEL TO GET IT RIGHT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT IMPACT YOU MOST.

AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD IT.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF GOVERNMENT.

UH, WE REALLY, REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT INPUT.

IT HELPS US WHEN WE GET TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT HELPS US WHEN WE GET TO OUR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

THAT'S HOW WE MAKE SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT YOUR LIVES.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR SHARING OR, OR PARTICIPATING IN THIS, UH, COMMISSION.

AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

THANK YOU MR. CORPORATE FOR COMING TONIGHT, SPEAKING TO US.

INTRODUCING THE TEAM, UM, FOR THE AUDIENCE OUT THERE, THIS IS THE 24 25, 20 24, 20 25 CLASS.

UH, THEY MET ONE TIME SO FAR, FORMALLY.

THE NEXT MEETING IS THIS COMING MONDAY.

SO MR. SHEPHERD REPRESENTS DISTRICT FIVE.

I BELIEVE SO.

THEY MEET ONCE A MONTH, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THE SCHOOL YEAR TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT UP HERE.

UM, AND ALSO YOU MENTIONED ALL THE DIFFERENT REPRESENTATION WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE, UM, YOUTH COMMISSION FOR THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

WELL, HERE'S REPRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR THE DISTRICT.

MR. DREW REPRESENTS DISTRICT THREE.

MRS. NOEL REPRESENTS DISTRICT TWO, MR. ROY, DISTRICT ONE, AND MYSELF, DISTRICT FOUR.

YOU KNOW, I'LL BE SEEING Y'ALL MOST MOST OF THE MEETINGS EVERY, EVERY MONTH.

BUT, UM, KEEP THESE FOLKS IN MIND, SO AS YOU NEED HELP AND ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO REACH OUT TO.

SO THANKS FOR COMING TONIGHT.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAY FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE EVENING.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

STATES SAYS THAT THE UH, PERSON WHO RESIDES THERE AT THAT ADDRESS SUPPORTS THIS PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.

THANK

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

YOU.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.

WE HAVE, UM, MOVING INTO CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.

I HAVE, UH, TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, MS. POO SHOW.

UH, MY NAME IS PAM AU.

I RESIDE AT 1 0 3 KIMBERLY COURT.

THE CODE OF VIRGINIA PROHIBITS THE THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OF A POLITICAL SIGN AND IS CONSIDERED PETTY LARCENY PUNISHABLE BY A FINE OF UP TO $2,500 AND A YEAR IN JAIL.

THE YORK POCO AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE POSTED ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE SEVERAL PHOTOS OF THOSE CAUGHT IN THE ACTS OF SUCH THEFT.

THERE WERE OVER 600 COMMENTS MADE BY YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS, OF WHICH ABOUT 85% THOUGHT SUCH ACTIONS WERE TO BE CONSIDERED COMMENDABLE.

SINCE THEY WERE HARRIS SIGNS, THEY SAID IT WAS A FAVOR TO THE COUNTY TO ROOT TO REMOVE SUCH ABOMINATIONS, BUT OFTEN IN LESS THAN STERLING LANGUAGE.

IT IS ALARMING TO WITNESS THAT SOME PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTY FIND IT ACCEPTABLE TO DAMAGE OR REMOVE POLITICAL SIGNAGE WHEN FACED WITH EITHER A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT OR FEAR THAT THEIR AGENDA WILL NOT BE OBTAINED.

ONE OF THESE PHOTOS DEPICTED MAN ILLEGALLY DRIVING A GOLF CART IN A PUBLIC ROADWAY AND WHAT APPEARED TO BE HIS SON STEALING A SIGN.

GOOD PARENTING SKILLS THERE DEAD.

LAST AUGUST, THERE WERE NUMEROUS HAIR SIGNS ON FRONT LAWNS LAST WEEK.

I TOOK ABOUT A HALF HOUR TO DRIVE AROUND THE AREA WHERE I LIVE AND COUNTED ONLY TWO.

WHILE I SAW WELL OVER A HUNDRED TRUMP SIGNS, DO MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SUCH LITTLE FAITH IN THEIR CHOICE BEING THE RIGHT ONE THAT THEY BELIEVE HE CAN'T WIN IF ANY SIGNS OF HIS OPPONENTS REMAIN VISIBLE, THAT DOES NOT SAY MUCH FOR YOUR CANDIDATE OR YOUR INTEGRITY.

TRULY, I WAS NOT SURPRISED BY THIS, BUT GENERALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THESE RESPONSES.

THEY ARE THE IGNORANT FOLKS LACKING IN AN ETHICAL OR MORAL COMPASS, AND YET HAVE THE AUDACITY TO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS.

FOLKS, JESUS WHO EMBRACED THE POOR, THE SICK AND PROSTITUTES AND LOVED HIS ENEMIES AND MANKIND EQUALLY WOULD BE CALLED A LIBERAL OR A COMMUNIST BY TODAY'S REPUBLICAN STANDARDS.

APPARENTLY THE EIGHTH COMMANDMENT THOU SHALL NOT STEAL, IS JUST A SUGGESTION.

A SIGN MELY

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IT DOES NOT SAY WHY THE SIGN LETS THE PUBLIC KNOW WHO IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE WHO EVER CHANGED THEIR MINDS BECAUSE OF A SIGN.

I REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO FEAR, BUT YOUR OWN INSECURITIES, THEFT, AND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY IS A CRIME FOR THOSE WHO EVENTUALLY GET CAUGHT.

I HOPE THE JUDGE TEACHES YOU THE LESSON YOU SO SADLY NEED TO LEARN.

AND THOSE WHO ENCOURAGE SUCH BEHAVIOR IN THEIR CHILDREN SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT OF A MINOR.

YOUR CANDIDATE SAYS THAT YOU ARE A PARTY OF LAW AND ORDER.

APPARENTLY, WHEN YOU PASS THE LOYALTY TEST, YOU FEEL YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THE LAW.

AND HOW PITIFUL IS THAT? THANK YOU, MR. BEO.

ALRIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER.

MR. JACK FRA.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY, MY NAME IS JACQUES MOUNT FRA AND I RESIDE AT 2 28 CHURCH STREET.

I SPOKE LAST TIME YOU MET, UH, ABOUT THE TREES THAT WERE YANKED OUT AT THE RIVERFRONT, UM, OF BY THE, THE, THE COUNTY.

THOSE TREES HAD BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND WERE SPECIAL TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ALIKE.

BUT I'M HERE REALLY TO THANK MR. DRURY FOR BRINGING THE ISSUE TO THE BOARD ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS THAT HE REPRESENTS.

UH, MANY COUNTY RESIDENTS ALSO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND, UH, CONSIDERED A, A, A GREAT, A GREAT LOSS, UH, OF, OF A RESOURCE ON THE WATERFRONT.

AND I APPRECIATED HIS SUGGESTION THAT THOSE TREES SHOULD BE REPLACED AND HOPE THE COUNTY WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND, AND, AND DO THAT.

I AGREE ALSO WITH THIS THINKING THAT SOME SORT OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, EFFORT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE TO LET CITIZENS AND THIS THE COUNTY RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON DOWN THERE AFTER ALL THE COUNTY.

UH, YOU, YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH A GENERIC PLACE IN THE COUNTY HERE.

IT'S A TREASURED GATHERING SPOT FOR RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ALIKE.

AND ONE OF YOU SUGGESTED THERE WAS MASS HYSTERIA GOING ON ABOUT TREES BEING YANKED OUT FROM THE FREIGHT SHED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, THE, UH, THE, THE PICNIC AREA.

THAT, THAT PERSPECTIVE IS DISRESPECTFUL AND IT BELITTLES THE, UH, THE, UH, ISSUES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO A LARGE NUMBER OF, OF COUNTY RESIDENTS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS RATHER INAPPROPRIATE.

IN FACT, THE DECISION SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN MADE TO REMOVE THOSE TREES AS A VERY ARBITRARY ONE.

ARBITRARY ONE FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE CONSTRUCTION CREW AND NOT FOR THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY IN MINE.

THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST CONSULTED WITH AN ARBORIST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN TO YANK THOSE TREES OUT.

SO IN SUMMARY, I WANT TO THANK MR. DRURY.

WE TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSIVENESS TO THIS I ISSUE THAT WAS RATHER IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF Y YORK COUNTY CITIZENS.

THANK YOU, MR. FRA.

ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAD THAT SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? ALRIGHT, CNN, I WILL CLOSE THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AND I WILL MOVE

[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

ON TO COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS.

MR. HILL, ANYTHING TO SHARE THIS EVENING? NOTHING THIS EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND MOVING ON TO COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

MR. BELLAMY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS FOR YOU TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, THE CHIEF WAS HERE AND TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE DEPLOYED WITH THE FEMA TEAMS. UH, THREE OF THE FOUR HAVE RETURNED, UH, LIEUTENANT SWANSON, CAPTAIN FOX AND BATTALION CHIEF CUDDLY HAVE RETURNED.

UH, CHIEF COLLINS IS STILL OUT IN THE FIELD AND WE HOPE FOR HIS SAFE RETURN HERE VERY SOON.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE.

AND I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, CHIEF KSKY AND CHIEF BALDWIN FOR ACTUALLY TAKING THE TIME TO GO DOWN AND MEET WITH THEM AFTER THEY COME BACK FROM A LONG, A LONG HARD DEPLOYMENT.

IT, IT MEANS A LOT AND SHOWS A LOT OF RESPECT TO THE TEAM, AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT THEY TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE FOLKS.

DO WE KNOW WHERE, WHO'D YOU SAY CHIEF COLLINS IS DEPLOYED RIGHT NOW? UH, FIRE CHIEF MIGHT KNOW, UH, WHERE HE IS AT.

SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT THERE, CHIEF.

HE NEEDS TO EXERCISE.

WHERE IS THIS? I ACTUALLY AM NOT SURE WHERE HE IS AT.

HE'S MOVED AROUND SO MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND NORTH CAROLINA.

I BELIEVE HE'S STILL IN NORTH CAROLINA AT THIS POINT.

HE'S PART OF A INCIDENT SUPPORT TEAM OR INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAM SUPPORTING OTHER FULL TASK FORCES, UH, IN SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS.

UH, I, I DON'T EXPECT ANY OTHERS UNLESS WE HAVE ANOTHER EVENT.

DO YOU THINK HE'LL DEPLOY ANY MORE PERSONNEL FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT? SO RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THE, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT ARE STILL PART OF VIRGINIA TASK FORCE TWO THAT ARE DEPLOYED,

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OF COURSE, IT'S ALL A HAZARDS RESPONSE TEAM.

SO THEY COULD DEPLOY TO ANY KIND OF, UH, MAJOR DISASTER EVENT, UH, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE, UH, UNITED STATES, BUT THEY'VE DEPLOYED, UH, INTERNATIONALLY AS WELL IN THE PAST.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

CHIEF, WHAT WAS THEIR, UH, RESPONSE? WERE THEY GETTING THE HELP THEY NEEDED WHEN THEY WERE ON THE GROUND? THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NEWS REPORTS THAT SUGGEST THAT THE FEMA AND OTHERS JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY BACKUP.

UH, HAVE YOU HAD ANY, UH, CHANCE TO HAVE ONE-ON-ONE DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND GET THAT RESPONSE? OUR FOLKS HAVE HAD, HAD A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY SERVED.

UH, I MEAN, LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF, UH, FOLKS SERVED BY OUR TEAMS AND IN, IN THE THREE DIF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF TEAM RESPONSE AND THEY WERE GETTING YOU, UH, AND THEY WERE, UH, THEY WERE WELL RECEIVED IN THE FIELD AS FAR AS I KNOW.

THANKS CHIEF.

A COUPLE OTHER THINGS I'D LIKE TO MENTION, UH, WHILE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

UH, COUNTY OFFICES ARE CLOSED THIS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 18TH IN OBSERVANCE OF YORKTOWN DALE, ALTHOUGH WE KNOW WE'LL CELEBRATE IT ON SATURDAY.

UM, ALSO, UH, A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN THE WAY, AGAIN, THE COUNTY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON NOVEMBER 11TH, RECOGNIZING VETERAN'S DAY.

SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

UH, THE BUDGET SEASON IS JUST A FEW SHORT WEEKS AWAY.

UH, ON DECEMBER 3RD, I'LL PRESENT, UH, MY RECOMMENDED CIP TO YOU, AND WE WILL GET THAT UNDERWAY.

AND AS ALWAYS, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME PUBLIC INPUT.

AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SHARE IN THE VEIN OF PUBLIC INPUT IS, UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FLASH VOTE.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED IT IN NEWSLETTERS.

AND, AND HERE AT THE MEETINGS I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY RECRUITING FOLKS FOR THE SURVEYS THAT WE'RE DOING.

A BIG SURVEY THAT'S GETTING READY TO COME UP THE END OF THE MONTH IS ON RECYCLING.

IF YOU RECALL, DURING THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, WE TALKED ABOUT RECYCLING AND, AND THE COSTS AND WHETHER IT WAS STILL WORTH OUR TIME TO DO IT.

SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT SURVEY AND WE WOULD LOVE TO GET A BIG TURNOUT, UH, FOR THAT.

SO GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, UH, LOOK ON THE WHAT'S HAPPENING, BANNER AND GO TO THE MOST RECENT SURVEY.

THERE'S A SURVEY THERE, AND SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT SURVEY AND IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR THE NEXT SURVEY COMING OUT.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU PARTICIPATE IN THAT SURVEY.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. BELLAMY.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE QUESTIONS.

UH, SO THANK YOU.

UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE THAT WE, I GOT YOUR INPUT BACK ON IT.

I HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION FROM SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, FLASH VOTE ON SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UM, AND, AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IN TERMS OF ASKING YOU THE QUESTIONS OR MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT IT, IS THAT THE COMMENT WAS, WELL, THE LAW MIGHT CHANGE AND THEREFORE WE MIGHT, UH, EVERYTHING WE, WE DO WILL JUST BE WASTED.

WELL, MY POINT IN THE FLASH VOTE WAS GET AN OPINION FROM OUR CITIZENS ON A TOPIC OF, OF, UH, STATEWIDE INTERESTS.

OKAY? UM, NOW WE CAN SIT AND WAIT TILL THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY DOES STUFF TO US, OR WE CAN BE PROACTIVE.

AND IT, TO ME, TO BE MORE PROACTIVE, TO HAVE, TO HAVE CITIZENS HAD GIVEN US INPUT ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AS OPPOSED TO, OH, SORRY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF STATE CHANGED THE LAW.

WE SIT HERE AS ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR CONSTITUENCY, AND WE KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT US AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND I THINK, UH, AS SHEILA LIKES TO POINT OUT THROUGH VACO, WE BRING FORWARD IDEAS ON, UH, HOW WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT ISSUES.

WELL, THAT, TO ME, THIS ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS BEEN BEATEN AROUND HERE FOR OVER A YEAR OR MAYBE TWO YEARS.

AND, UH, AND MOST PEOPLE JUST OUT THERE, I THINK IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE, AROUND THE COUNTY, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, OKAY? UNTIL THEY SHOW UP OR THEY WANT TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, AND THEY COME UP HERE AND THEN THEY DISCOVER THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE A LITTLE SCREWY ON THE, ON THIS ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE TRASH, UH, RECYCLING.

IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO RECYCLE WHEN ONLY MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I THINK DOUG E BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ABOUT PERCENTAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, YOU MADE A COMMENT MARK THAT YOU SAID, YES, UH, YEAH, WHAT WE THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE DOING, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

BUT THE POINT IS, HELL YEAH, WE THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE DOING.

THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE DOING IT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OR ARE WE JUST THROWING MONEY INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, PAYING MORE TO HAVE OUR TRASH TO THE DUMP BY SOMEBODY ELSE? SO, I MEAN, SO OUR QUESTIONS IN OUR APPROACH TO THESE THINGS NEED TO BE, UH, IN AN INFORMATIVE MANNER.

SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, HEY, DO YOU THINK

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WELL, IF ONLY 25% OF WHAT WE THROW OUT THERE ONLY GOES TO THE RECYCLING, AND THEN 75% GOES TO THE DUMP AT A COST, IT'S THREE TIMES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE PAY.

SO WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE ON THIS STUFF? AND THAT'S WHY THESE QUESTIONS, I THINK, AND PEOPLE PARTICIPATION IN THE FLASH VOTES ARE IMPORTANT.

AND FOLKS, IF YOU DON'T SIGN UP, THEN YOU JUST BECOME A, ANOTHER PERSON ON THE SIDELINES THINKING, WELL, OKAY, YOU, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

LET ME JUST GIVE YOU OPINION.

BUT WHEN YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS THING, YOU BECOME THEN PART OF THE REAL INPUT.

I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST VOLUNTEERING INFORMATION OR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

SO THAT FLASH VOTE IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.

SO I THINK TO ME, THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RESOLVED.

UH, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, STAND STRONG ON HOWEVER OUR, WHAT OUR POSITION IS.

AND I, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE AGREE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE STATE ON THAT.

AND IF, AND IT'S RECYCLING JUST IS ANOTHER GREAT IDEA, I THINK IS GOOD.

BUT YOU GOTTA PARTICIPATE, FOLKS.

THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE FLASH VOTE.

SO SIGN UP IF YOU DON'T SIGN UP AGAIN, YOU'RE JUST SOMEBODY GIVING US AN OPINION.

AND I'M ONLY LOOKING, ACTUALLY, BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M ONLY LOOKING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA GIVE US, THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING.

THANK YOU, MR. YEP, GO AHEAD.

SO, MR. SHEPHERD, I, I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

UH, WHAT I WOULD ASK OF YOU AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF THAT WAS YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE A SURVEY ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU BELIEVE MIGHT CONCERN YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET RIGHT TO THE POINT.

SO IF YOU COULD HELP US OUT WITH THAT, WE CERTAINLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

THE WORLD IS, IS NOT, IS UNLESS YOU EXERCISE THAT VOICE THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT VOICE IS TO VOTE.

ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I GUESS YOU'RE GOING THIS WAY? YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.

YEAH, WE'LL START HERE.

UM, YEAH.

UM, CHIEF SKI, I JUST WANT TO EXTEND OUR APPRECIATION FOR YOUR, YOUR TEAM THAT'S BEEN OUT, UM, IN THE WAR ZONE, REALLY.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, YEARS AGO I VOLUNTEERED AT YORK COUNTY AND, UM, I SERVED ON SEVERAL OF THESE SPECIALIZED TEAMS. AND SO I KNOW THE DIFFICULTY, IT IS, I KNOW YOU'RE DISPLACED FROM YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR HOME, UH, YOU'RE IN THE LIVING QUARTERS ARE, UM, NOT SO GOOD.

UM, SOMETIMES YOU'RE SLEEPING ON A BAG, UM, UNDER A, UNDER A HUT OR SOMETHING.

SO I HAVE A GREAT APPRECIATION FOR THAT, AND I KNOW HOW HARD THESE GUYS HAVE WORKED TO GET THEIR TRAINING AND TO KEEP THAT TRAINING UP.

SO I, FOR ONE, UH, AM ESPECIALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR HARD WORK.

SO PLEASE EXTEND THAT, UH, FOR ME.

AND I, I, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH TOM.

WE DON'T DO THAT VERY OFTEN, DO WE, TOM? BUT, UM, ON THE FLASH VOTE, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE KNOW, UH, WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING.

AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT'S NOT BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IT IS TAKEN, UH, THAT IT'S BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

SO IF YOU'RE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC AND YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR THE FLASH BOATS, THAT'S HOW WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AND WHAT YOU'RE FEELING.

YOU, YOU GET TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY, WHETHER IT'S GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS.

LIKE TOM SAYS, IT HELPS US MAKE BETTER DECISIONS WHEN WE KNOW OUR CONSTITUENCY, WHICH WAY THEY'RE LEANING.

AND SO I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO JUST EXTEND THAT INVITATION AS WELL FOR THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU, MRS. SNOW.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BELLAMY? OKAY.

I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL TAKE TO HEART.

THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR.

IT'S A VOLATILE YEAR.

UH, PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE ARE STIRRED UP, BUT YOU MUST NOT FORGET THE, YOUR COURTESY TO OTHERS WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO TAKE DOWN ANOTHER, ANOTHER PERSON'S SIGN.

NOBODY THAT'S CHILDISH.

AND IF YOU WANNA BE CHILDISH, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY.

WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TO RESEARCH THE ISSUES.

LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN AND DECIDE WHICH ONE FITS THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY GO.

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT ALL, THE TALK IN

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SO MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY VOTED, UH, EARLY VOTING, WHICH I THINK IS, IS GOOD.

BUT DON'T FORGET THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT DONE IT YET, PLEASE SHOW UP AT THE POLLS AND PLEASE VOTE.

NOW ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, THIS IS OCTOBER.

AND EVERY OCTOBER I TRY TO REMEMBER TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT BREAST CANCER IS WITH US ALL.

AND IT'S SO VERY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE OF WOMEN AND SOME MEN DO GET BREAST CANCER.

AND SO YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR MAMMOGRAMS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR IT, PLEASE GO AND SIGN UP.

MR. HALL, BEFORE WE MOVE TO AMANDA PRESENTED BY THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. BELLAMY? I, I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT OR ONE QUESTION.

OH, SORRY.

SO I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, COME INTO YORKTOWN TODAY VIA OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.

AND OF COURSE, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THIS BOARD ABOUT THE, UH, NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT THE, UH, GUZZI INTERSECTION.

SO THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE AT THAT INTERSECTION, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO ADVISE THE DRIVERS THAT THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE.

YOU DON'T SEE ANY FLASHING LIGHTS ON THE NEW STOP SIGNS.

I, I SAW TWO VEHICLES GO RIGHT THROUGH THE STOP SIGNS, NOT REALIZING THAT ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD, YOU NOW HAVE TO STOP.

AND THAT'S A CHANGE.

AND WE NEED TO BE, UH, WE NEED TO BE GETTING OUT THERE, WHETHER THE SHERIFF OR VDO CAN HELP US.

WE NEED, UH, FLASHING YELLOW LIGHTS OR SOMETHING TO ADVISE PEOPLE THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE HERE.

ALRIGHT, SO, MR. BELLAMY, YES, WE WILL GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK ON, ON HOW, ON THAT FLASH VOTE.

BUT I'M THINKING IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR SOME TYPE OF PRIMER ON EXACTLY HOW THE FLASH VOTES, VOTES ARE CONSTRUCTED TO GET GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE PARTICIPANTS.

UM, I, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE A GOOD DISCUSSION FOR WORK SESSION, BUT OUR NEXT WORK SESSION WON'T BE TO DECEMBER.

SO MAYBE A LITTLE JOB AID OR SOMETHING TO KIND OF HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE THINGS ARE PUT TOGETHER TO HELP US PUT OUR QUESTIONS TO YOU.

I THINK IT MAY BE HELPFUL, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

PEOPLE ASKING, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST BULLDOZE THE BUILDING DOWN? UM, AND EVEN THE COUNTY SAID IT WOULD'VE EASIER, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOMETOWN PEOPLE.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO MATTER PRESENTED BY THE BOARD, WE'LL START DOWN HERE TO MY RIGHT, MR. ROY.

YEAH, I'VE GOT TWO ITEMS, UH, THAT I'D LIKE TO RAISE.

UM, SO I WANTED TO REACH OUT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO MOVE, UH, FORWARD ON OUR HOME BASED BUSINESS ORDINANCE, UH, TO THE POINT OF APPROVAL.

WE'LL, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT LATER IN THE MEETING.

BUT I, I THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THAT, UH, THAT, UH, SUB-TEAM OF, UH, CHRIS DAVIDSON WHO REPRESENTED THE CHAMBER, UH, GLEN TITUS, WHO WAS A PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSIONER CHAIR AT THE TIME THAT THE FIRST, UH, DRAFT WAS PRESENTED, UH, DIANE HOWELL REPRESENTING CITIZEN INPUT AND EARL ANDERSON, UH, REPRESENTING THE COUNTY.

THAT GROUP OF FOUR HAS SPENT INCREDIBLE NUMBER OF HOURS ON MULTIPLE DAYS IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS TO GET THIS PACKAGE TO WHERE IT IS TONIGHT.

I COMMEND THEM.

I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC WORK.

I THINK IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, GOOD CITIZEN INPUT, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTY GREAT.

WHEN WE CAN GET THAT KIND OF, UH, PUBLIC, PRIVATE GOVERNMENT, UM, COOPERATION AND COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS PACKAGE.

IT JUST MAKES OUR JOB SO MUCH EASIER.

SO THANK YOU TO THAT TEAM.

THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, SUPPORT THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND THEN MR. BELLAMY, UH, I HAD, UH, REQUESTED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, COPY OF THE, UH, CODE OF CONDUCT THAT, UH, THE, UM, EMPLOYEES OF THIS COUNTY, UH, SIGN.

AND YOU PROVIDED THAT TO US, UH, A WEEK OR TWO BACK, UH, WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK AS A RESOLUTION TO SEE IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON SIGNING THE SAME CODE OF CONDUCT THAT OUR EMPLOYEES SIGNED.

I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE STEP THAT THE, UH, BOARD SHOWS THE SAME LEVEL OF INTEREST IN SIGNING THAT AGREEMENT THAT OUR EMPLOYEES SIGN.

THANK MR. ROY, MR. NOLAN, ANYTHING? NOTHING MORE? OKAY, MR. JURY? UH, YEAH, LEMME GET THIS MIC ON.

UM, A FEW THINGS, UH, REAL QUICK.

UH, SOME JUST FOR UPDATE.

UM, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'VE RODE BY THE OLD POPS, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A BOMB WENT OFF.

UM, BUT, UH, WE HAVE PROGRESS, SO THAT'S A GREAT THING.

AND I'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION, BEEN OUT TO THE SITE SEVERAL TIMES, AND I'M IN CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER, UH, AND HIS SON SEVERAL TIMES AS WELL.

SO THEY'RE MOVING ALONG QUICKLY, UH, NOW, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE RUNNING, UH, HEADLONG AS FAST AS THEY CAN, UH, TO TRY TO MAKE UP SOME TIME.

UH, NOW THAT THE ASBESTOS IS GONE, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD COMMENTS, UH, OR

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UH, THEY'RE GOOD OLD SALT OF THE EARTH PEOPLE.

AND THEY SAID, WE'RE GONNA SAY PART OF THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S ORIGINAL AND IT'S BEEN HERE SINCE 19, WHENEVER, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, MAYBE 18, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY 1900.

SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, THEY'RE JUST GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY WANT THE PEOPLE OF YORK COUNTY TO, TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST COMING IN, BLOWING IN AND BLOWING OUT.

THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.

SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ON.

UH, SECONDLY, UM, I HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH THE OWNER OF CHICK-FIL-A ON, UM, IN VICTORY BOULEVARD.

AND SO I KNOW THERE'S, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOST CHICK-FIL-A AND YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S NOT WORKING WITH 'EM AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND SO I MADE AN APPOINTMENT TO GO SEE THE OWNER AND GOT TO KNOW HIM WELL.

UH, HE IS EXTREMELY INTERESTED IN CONTINUING TO PURSUE THIS LOCATION IN GRAFTON.

UH, THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT.

UH, IT'S BETWEEN THE ENGINEER, HIS ENGINEERS, UH, CHICK-FIL-A'S ENGINEERS AND THE ENGINEERS, UH, WITH THE LANDLORD.

SO HE SAID, NOW THEY'VE GOT, THE ENGINEERS ARE HIRED ON AT THE SAME COMPANY, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING CLOSER TOGETHER.

UM, SO HE'S, HE'S HOPEFUL THAT THEY'LL GET THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA RESUBMIT TO YORK COUNTY.

SO HE IS, HE IS FULL SPEED AHEAD ON THAT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO REPORT BACK IN ON THAT.

UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD BY NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A SIGNED CONTRACT ON THE BILLS, UH, NOW TO VIRGINIA BEER COMPANY.

AND I GUESS THE LAST, UH, WORD WE GOT IS SOMETIME IN EARLY 2025.

DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? SO, UM, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE OUT THERE, UH, MEANDERING AROUND AND I'M SURE THAT'S CONTRACTORS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT AND WHEN TO DO IT.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL KEEP MOVING ALONG ON THAT.

AND THEN, UH, JUST REITERATE WHAT MARK SAID EARLIER, YORKTOWN DAY'S COMING UP, IT'S A HUGE CELEBRATION FOR US.

UH, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, SO COME OUT AND SUPPORT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING YOUR FLAGS, WHATEVER YOU CAN.

SO THAT'S IT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. SHEPHERD.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, RECENTLY, AND WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE, BUT RECENTLY I GOT A CALL, UM, FROM A LADY WHO, UH, LIVES ON YORKTOWN ROAD ABOUT HER SON'S INABILITY TO WALK TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL.

AND, UM, AND OVER THE YEARS, UH, I'VE BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION, VARIOUS BOARD'S, ATTENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE RUNNERS FROM THE HAB HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AFTER SCHOOL RUNNING, UH, DOWN YORKTOWN ROAD, UH, I'VE HAD TO STOP MY CAR AND LET 'EM GO AROUND IT BECAUSE THE ONLY PLACE THEY COULD GO IS EITHER UNDER MY CAR OR IN THE DITCH.

RIGHT? AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN REALLY DANGEROUS.

WELL, I DISCOVERED THROUGH TALKING TO THIS PARENT THAT, UM, TAB HIGH SCHOOL, EVIDENTLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HOW TRUE THIS IS OTHER THAN I GOT IT FROM THE PARENT, BUT TAB HIGH SCHOOL'S DESIGNATED AS A NO NOWALK SCHOOL.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE EVEN HAD SUCH A THING.

AND HER SON LIVES ACROSS, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE NOT JUST YORKTOWN ROAD, SOMEWHERE WHERE YORKTOWN ROAD AND BIG BETHEL ROAD MEET AND, UH, THE STUDENT WAS STOPPED 'CAUSE HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE SCHOOL GROUNDS.

HE HAD TO RIDE A BUS TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.

AND, UM, AND I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY HOW WHATEVER WE WANT, AND YOU CAN PUT OUT AS MANY SIGNS AS YOU WANT UNLESS THE PRINCIPAL'S GONNA STAND THERE AND GUARD EVERYBODY WALKING, UH, FROM THE SCHOOL TO THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.

AND EVEN BACK IN YEARS AND YEARS AGO, MY SON WOULD WALK TO A TAB HIGH SCHOOL DOWN BIG BETHEL ROAD.

UM, SO IT, IT'S THE QUESTION OF HOW LONG IS THIS BOARD GONNA GO ON AND ALLOW THIS SITUATION TO OCCUR? WHERE, WHERE WE'RE PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN PLACES WHERE SIDEWALKS DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE, OR A HIGHER PRIORITY WOULD BE TO PUT A SIDEWALK WHERE IT CAN BE USED.

SO WE CAN PUT A, PUT A WALK CROSSWALK SO OUR YOUTH CAN WALK FROM THE SCHOOL TO THEIR HOUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE A 30 MINUTE BUS RIDE TO GET ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, AND I COULD TELL YOU THAT CHILDREN ARE GONNA WALK ACROSS THAT ROAD WHETHER WE, WE TELL 'EM YES OR NO, OR THE PRINCIPAL STANDS THERE.

SO I'VE, UH, ASKED, UH, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TAKE A LOOK AT A FEW OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT.

AND,

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AND THEN SHEILA TOLD ME ABOUT ONE EARLIER TODAY THAT IT KIND OF HITS THE SAME SPOT.

FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T OWN THE ROADS, AND SO TO GET A CROSSWALK ON THE ROADS, WE HAVE TO GET THE VDOT TO AGREE WITH IT.

BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE RAISE ENOUGH HELL ABOUT IT, THEY WILL, THEY WILL PUT SOMETHING ACROSS THE ROAD, OKAY? FOR US.

SO IT'S UP TO US TO DO THIS.

SECOND OF ALL, WHEN WE PUT IN A SIDEWALK, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PUT IN MILES OF SIDEWALK TO, TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT DONE.

WE CAN PUT IN MAYBE 50 FEET OF SIDEWALK TO GET IT STARTED AND THEN, BUT CREATE THE CROSSWALK.

UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CROSSWALK FROM YORKTOWN ROAD TO GO RIGHT ACROSS, OVER TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT? ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, RIGHT INTO THE SCHOOL, RIGHT UP TO THE SCHOOL.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE.

WHY NOT? LET'S PAY FOR GETTING THAT DONE.

IT'S A PRIORITY BECAUSE WHAT'S IT GONNA COST US TO LOSE ANY MORE CHILDREN ON THAT ROAD? OKAY? WE'VE ALREADY HAD A THREE FATALITIES, FOUR FATALITIES, IT'S THREE WE'RE ABOUT TO AN AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT, THREE 16 YEAR OLDS AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN ANOTHER YOUTH DOWN ON BIG BETHEL ROAD WAS HIT BY A CAR.

UM, NOW I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARENT TALKED TO ME AND, UH, BY THE WAY, SHE WASN'T IN MY DISTRICT, STEVE, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I'VE GOT THAT SQUARE AWAY LATER.

BUT, UH, THE POINT WAS THAT THE ISSUE JUST CAME TO LIGHT THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING MAKES NO SENSE.

WE'RE NOT PROTECTING OUR YOUTH, WHICH IS A BIG, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'RE DOING NOW.

WE'VE DONE SOME GOOD STUFF ACROSS HAMPTON HIGHWAY OVER TO THE YMCA AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE LOVING IT, OKAY? THE KIDS GO ACROSS THE STREET, THEY CAN GET, THEIR PEOPLE CAN GET THERE, IT'S LIGHTED.

THEY'VE GOT, THEY'VE GOT, IT'S GOT, UH, SAFETY AREAS TO GET ACROSS.

BUT THIS SECTION IN FRONT OF TAB HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ACTUALLY, AT ONE TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL THAT WAY, BUT THEY PULL, THEY USED TO HAVE A COP.

IT'S TO BE OUT THERE.

OUR DEPUTIES WOULD BE THERE, BUT IT'S SO DANGEROUS, THEY PULL THE DEPUTY OUT OF THERE.

OKAY? NOW WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT THE CARS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY GETS OUTTA SCHOOL TRYING TO GET ACROSS THAT POORLY DESIGNED INTERSECTION OF VICTORY BOULEVARD AND, AND, UH, BIG BETHEL ROAD THERE, THAT THE TRAFFIC IS ONLY MOVING AT A SNAIL'S PACE, BUT TIED TO THIS GRAFTON HIGH SCHOOL, OKAY? AND, UH, I HEAR THIS STORY ABOUT THE KIDS LEAVING TAB HIGH SCHOOL WALKING OUT OVER TOWARDS, UH, TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL OR, OR COMING ACROSS THE ROAD SOMEWHERE, OKAY? UH, EVEN GOING OVER TO VICTORY AND CROSSING IT.

BUT AT GRAFTON, THERE'S KIDS COMING OUTTA GRAFTON AND THEY'RE WALKING ACROSS ROUTE 17.

AND IT'S, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, ROUTE 17 IS NOT SLOW, OKAY? IT IS FAST DOWN THERE.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE THAT NEEDS A CROSSWALK FOR P FOR STUDENTS TO GET ACROSS THAT 17 INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, UH, AND AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD MILES OF IT.

YOU JUST GOTTA BUILD A BIT OF A SIDEWALK AND THEN LATER WE CAN ADD TO THIS AS MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE.

UM, AND SHEILA'S GOT ONE, AND I'VE SEEN THIS WITH NEIGHBORS.

I SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY, SHEILA DOWN THERE AT KILN CREEK.

TRYING TO GET ACROSS 17.

I MEAN, UH, ONE, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD.

VICTORY BOULEVARD IS AL IS TWICE AS WIDE AS 17.

OKAY? TWICE AS WIDE AS 17.

AND THAT LADY WAS UP GOING THERE.

I'M GOING, OH GOD, PLEASE DON'T GO ACROSS THAT.

AND SHE HAD A BABY ON HIS STROLLER GOING ACROSS SEVENTH, GOING ACROSS THE VICTORY.

AND I JUST, I'M JUST GONNA, I COULDN'T EVEN LOOK, OKAY? I JUST PRAYED THAT SHE MADE, I KNOW SHE MADE IT 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA COST US SOME MONEY, OKAY? THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY HAVE GRANTS FOR, BUT WE NEED TO STEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.

IT'S BEEN TOO MANY DECADES HAS GONE ON FOR US NOT TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PROBLEMS. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A, THAT TO ME IS SOMETHING I'M GONNA HARP ON A LOT.

OKAY? WE GOTTA FIND THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE SIDEWALK PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET 'EM DONE.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA WAIT.

MOM GOES, OKAY, LOOK, MY SON'S IN THE SCHOOL NOW.

WELL, WE'LL GET THE PROJECT DONE, BUT IT WON'T BE, HE WILL NEVER SEE IT.

OKAY? IT MIGHT EVEN BE YOUR, YOUR YOUNGEST CHILD MIGHT BE LUCKY TO SEE IT.

NO, WE CAN DO THIS A LOT FASTER WITH A SIDEWALK AND THEN WE CAN GET ON VDOT TO GET US, UH, A, A CROSSWALK.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH MONEY.

ANYWAY, THAT'S A, THAT'S MY BIG THING NOW AND, UH, EXPECT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME FINANCIAL CHALLENGES WITH EXPENSES BEING WHERE THEY ARE WITH SO MUCH MATERIAL BEING REDIRECTED TO MAJOR PROJECTS IN THE AREA FOR US TO GET PRO, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS FROM SMALL PROJECTS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, MR. BELLAMY, WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING WITH, UH, WITH ROSSY? CARROLL THE FEED OUT, IT'S GONNA BE DECEMBER OR JANUARY, I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS MOMENT.

WE HAVE ONE SCHEDULED.

IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO INVITE HIM FOR ONE OF THOSE MONTHS, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

WELL, JUST, I THINK AT OUR NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE A READOUT ON HERE'S PLACES WE NEED SOME HELP.

NOW, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF OUR SIDEWALK AND BICYCLE PROJECTS AND, AND PUBLICIZE WHAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN WHAT WE DO TODAY.

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IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.

BUT, BUT LIKE MR. SHEPHERD SAID, WE, WE'VE GOT TO PRIORITIZE WHERE AND WHEN WE SPEND MONEY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE WILL GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING AND THEN WE GET WITH, UM, ROSSIE, CARROLL AND COMPANY LET 'EM KNOW, HEY, HERE'S THE PLACE THAT WE CAN USE SOME HELP.

AND IT'S MAYBE SOMETHING, SOMETHING QUICKLY WE'VE DONE WITH A CROSSWALK IN ADVANCE.

SO I KNOW THERE'S RULES ABOUT YOU NEED A SIDEWALK FOR A CROSSWALK AND ALL THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO START PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER ON THIS.

SO, SO MR. ROWAN, TO THAT POINT, UH, I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I, I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UH, AND MR. SHEPHERD HAS ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AS WELL.

SO THIS WON'T BE NEW INFORMATION.

UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM HAS PUT TOGETHER A, UM, COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE ON PRIORITIZING THESE PROJECTS.

OUR PLAN IS TO BRING IT TO YOU IN YOUR NOVEMBER MEETING AND DO A PRESENTATION TO SET THE EXPECTATIONS.

THE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU IS TO TELL US WHETHER OUR CRITERIA ON RANKING THE PROJECTS IS CORRECT.

AND THEN ONCE YOU'VE TOLD US THAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CRITERIA, WE'LL GO BACK AND PLUG THE PROJECTS IN AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD AGAIN AND SAY, HERE'S HOW THEY RANKED.

ARE YOU ALL OKAY WITH THIS? YEP.

AND THAT'S HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

ALRIGHT? THEN ALSO THE COST.

YES, MA'AM.

ALRIGHT, AND SPEAKING OF, OF OUR NOVEMBER MEETING, THAT IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

WE'RE NOT GONNA BE MEETING, UH, WELL THE THIRD TUESDAY IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING.

NEXT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WON'T HAVE OUR, UM, FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, SINCE THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO ELECTION TIME.

UM, SO WE WON'T BE TOGETHER AS A BODY HERE IN THIS ROOM FOR ABOUT, ABOUT A MONTH BECAUSE OF ELECTION.

SO WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.

PLEASE DO SO.

PLEASE MAKE A PLAN TO GET THERE BEFORE POLLS CLOSE.

PLENTY OF TIME LEFT.

UM, LOT, LOTS COMING UP HERE IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

UM, HALLOWEEN COMING AT THE END OF THE MONTH.

A LOT OF KIDS HAD TRICK OR TREATING, SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS YOU'RE OUT AND ABOUT THAT EVENING.

UM, WATCH IT FOR THE LITTLE ONES.

UM, ALSO SOME OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS COMING UP.

UM, PULL UP MY CALENDAR HERE.

SO ON, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT YORK TIME DAY, BIG EVENTS.

GONNA HAVE SOME FLYOVER PARADE, UH, WORTHWHILE COMING AFTER THAT, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I DON'T WANNA MENTION ON FRIDAY THE 25TH FROM SIX TO EIGHT, AND MR. FULLER, KEEP ME HONEST HERE.

IF I GOTTA MAKE SURE I GOT THIS RIGHT.

THE, UH, YORK COUNTY HALLOWEEN BASS AT THE MCREYNOLDS ATHLETIC CENTER.

SO THAT'S, UH, HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DONE THIS BEFORE? I DON'T.

THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.

FIRST ONE.

SO, UM, LOT OF FUN OUT THERE.

SO COME, COME CHECK THAT OUT.

AND ON THE 29TH, THIS BOARD WE'RE MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD FOR, UH, THE FIRST TIME IN SEVERAL YEARS FOR A JOINT SESSION, UM, DISCUSS SOME STUFF AND TRYING TO GET STUFF OUT ON THE TABLE AND MAKE, MAKE SOME PLANS THERE.

SO LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

UM, A PUBLIC SESSION.

AND THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC SESSION, RIGHT? I, I WILL BE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THE, UH, GRACIOUSLY LED US INTO THEIR NEW FACILITY.

UM, SO LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

UM, WELL, WITH THAT, WE ARE REMARKABLY, ALMOST ON TIME, SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK RECESS AND WE'LL COME BACK AND GET THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING STARTED.

MEETING STARTED AND WE'LL KICK OFF OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT, FOLKS, WE'LL GO AND GET THE

[3. Application No. UP-1039-24, Brian and Margaret Harned. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-149 to approve an application to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 103 Rolling Hills Drive.]

FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GONNA START WITH APPLICATION NUMBER UP DASH 1 0 3 9 DASH 24.

UH, MR. ANDERSON, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

THE, UH, 1 0 3 ROLLING HILLS DRIVE, UM, PROPERTY.

THIS IS A, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, TOURIST HOME, UM, AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AT 1 0 3 ROLLING HILLS DRIVE.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S ON A 0.34 ACRE PARCEL.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IT OUTLINED UP HERE IN THE BLUE.

LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET MY CURSOR TO SHOW UP RIGHT HERE.

IT'S ABOUT 0.3 MILES OFF OF MERRIMACK TRAIL IN THE ROLLING HILLS SUBDIVISION.

UH, THIS IS AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, UM, ALL R 20 IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS, UM, REQUIRE THE OWNER TORI RESIDE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE, OR THEY, THE OWNER CAN DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

UH, THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR BOARD POLICY, WHICH YOU ADOPTED, WHICH SAYS THAT THE, THE, THE, UM, APPLICANT SHOULD BE LIVING IN THE HOME, UM, AS PART OF THAT.

UH, BUT THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW A RESPONSIBLE PARTY, AND THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD WITH.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS KIRK AND ANN-MARIE MCKINLEY.

THEY LIVE AT 1 0 5 UP HERE AT THE TOP PART, ABOUT 510 FEET FROM THE,

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UH, THE CLOSEST SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE 0.43 MILES AWAY.

THAT'S THE YELLOW LINE ON HAYMAKER COURT.

AND THEN THE NEXT CLOSEST ONE IS, UH, 0.57 MILES AWAY, UM, WHICH IS 2 0 3 B BETHUNE DRIVE.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD POLICY, UH, THAT YOU SET WHERE, UH, NO TOURIST HOME SHOULD BE WITHIN 0.25 MILES OF A PROPERTY.

UM, THAT'S ZONED R 20.

AND SO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT BOARD POLICY.

UH, THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, DOES HAVE A VERY LARGE DRIVEWAY, A 60 BY 22 FEET.

AND SO THEY CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, REQUIRED PARKING ON, ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND AS I SAID, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN FROM THE PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE THREE BEDROOMS ON IN THE HOME, AND THIS WILL BE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.

UH, THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE PRESENT, BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY THAT THEY HAVE DE DESIGNATED.

SO, UM, THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE HAVE SET FOR THIS.

IT IS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, UM, NOT THE RENTAL OF INDIVIDUAL ROOMS. SO THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T RENT TO THIS PERSON, THIS ROOM, AND THIS PERSON IN THAT ROOM.

UM, IT HAS TO BE THE WHOLE HOUSE.

UH, THEY'VE LI WE'VE LIMITED IT TO SIX GUESTS, UH, NO MORE THAN SIX GUESTS ON THE PROPERTY.

AND LINKS OF STAIN NO MORE THAN, OR, SORRY, NO SMALLER THAN TWO NIGHTS WITH A MAXIMUM OF 10 NIGHTS.

AND THE APPLICANTS WERE ASKED IF THEY WOULD LIKE SIGNAGE AND THEY SAID NO.

SO WE HAVE PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT SIGNAGE.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO OFFERED CERTAIN PROVISIONS THAT THEY WOULD DO TO, UH, PROVIDE SECURITY ON THE, UH, PROPERTY AND REDUCE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT THIS MIGHT HAVE ON RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS AROUND THEM.

UH, THEY WILL HAVE A SECURITY CAMERA THAT MONITORS THE FRONT.

THEY WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC LISTING THAT SAYS NO PARTIES, EVENTS, CORPORATE USE OF THIS HOME.

UM, AND THEY'LL HAVE DESIGNATED QUIET HOURS BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM.

UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSAL, UH, AS IT DOES MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS.

UH, IT DOES NOT MEET THE ONE BOARD POLICY STANDARD ABOUT THE OWNER RESIDING IN THE HOME.

UH, BUT WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

BUT WE ARE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL 'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE A DESIGNATED PARTY THAT IS WITHIN A VERY, VERY SHORT, UH, AMOUNT OF WALKING TIME TO IT.

SO WE HAVE, UM, PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 1 49.

UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY, 6 2 0.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY, UH, DO HAVE THEIR DESIGNATED, UH, RESPONSIBLE PARTY WITH THEM ALSO.

UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

MR. DREWRY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANDERSON? SO, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE APPROVED AND WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS? SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS THE LEGAL LAW THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S THE LAW THAT WE HAVE AT THE BOARD POLICY IS, IS YOUR POLICY DOCUMENT, IT'S YOUR GUIDELINES.

IT'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO I I I WOULD SAY IT GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY ON HOW YOU WANT TO INTERPRET, UH, SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO HOLD TO THE STANDARDS OF THE BOARD POLICY, YOU COULD DO THAT.

UM, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE A STAFF THAT WE WERE REPRESENTING WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS.

BUT YEAH, THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO DOCUMENTS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT.

WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME COMING UP WITH A, AN ADOPTION OF THIS AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE CIRCUMVENTING THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE SYSTEM THAT WE WENT THROUGH.

SO, WELL, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CIRCUMVENT IT.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, WE'RE WE'RE PROVIDING THAT TO YOU SO THAT YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE, THEY'RE, THEY ARE CONFLICTING.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION ON WHETHER TO APPROVE OR NOT TO APPROVE.

THAT'S THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT POLICY.

YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO GUIDE YOU ALONG WITH WHAT'S IN THE BOARD POLICY TO GUIDE YOU.

AND SO BOTH OF THOSE CAN BE USED IN YOUR DECISION.

THANK MR. JURY, MR. SHEPHERD.

SO WHERE, WHERE'S THE CONFLICT HERE? SO YOUR, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

UM, AND YOUR BOARD, THE BOARD POLICY YOU ADOPTED RECENTLY, UH, STATES THAT THE, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHOULD BE OWNER OCCUPIED.

SO THE PERSON SHOULD EITHER LIVE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE.

OCCUPIED, THAT WAS VERY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

AND I SAW THAT.

AND, AND IN THE, AND THEN, AND THEN THE READ AHEAD PIECE, I THINK THE, UH, UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S COMMENTS, IF YOU WILL.

UH, IT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE IT SAID THAT THAT, THAT HAVING SOMEONE REPRESENT YOU IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY.

WELL, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT, WE'VE, WE'VE ALLOWED THAT SURE DID.

SO IT'S IN, IT'S CONSISTENT TO ME TO, I MEAN, BASED ON EVERYTHING I REMEMBER, GOD, IT WAS SO MUCH OF, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THING, BUT IT WAS, UH, BUT IT SEEMS THAT IF YOU GOT A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS GONNA BE THERE AT HAND WHEN, WHEN THE BUILDINGS OR ROOMS

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I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT, UH, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE ALREADY ON A COUPLE OF, I REMEMBER THAT THAT YOUNG LADY THAT LIVED UP THERE IN WILLIAMSBURG AND THEN ACTUALLY LIVED DOWN HERE, BUT HAD A PLACE UP IN WILLIAMSBURG AND THEY HAD A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AND THAT NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SIGNED ON.

AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

YOU HAVE APPROVED IT IN THE PAST.

WELL, WE, WELL, DID WE REALLY? YEAH, WE DID.

WE CHANGED THE POLICY.

HOLD ON.

HOLD, HOLD ON.

WE'LL HAVE BOARD DISCUSSION IN A MOMENT.

THIS IS OUR, WELL, I MEAN THIS IS THIS POINT BECAUSE IT, TO ME, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT CHANGED BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE DOING IT.

YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, I WON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE BOARD POLICY YOU APPROVED SAYS THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE PRIM, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE PREMISES OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE.

THAT'S THE POLICY.

THIS IS CORRECT THAT MR. DREW IS TALKING ABOUT THEN THE RIGHT THEN THE POLICY VERSUS THE, THE, THE, THE CODE.

BUT THE POLICY WAS SORTED TO ME AS A SORT OF A RECOMMENDATION AND THE CODE IS WHAT WE GOTTA LIVE BY.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I'M GONNA JUST MAKE SURE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SUGGESTION ON A LAW OR SOMETHING, WE JUST CAN'T ARBITRARILY CHANGE.

THANK YOU MS. SHEPHERD.

MRS. NOLAN, NOTHING ADD, OKAY, MR. ROY.

WELL, I'M STILL STUCK ON THAT POINT.

I I DON'T UNDERSTAND A COUNTY RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WHEN YOU KNOW THAT OUR BOARD POLICY HAS NOT BEEN MET.

AND FOR ME, THIS BOARD CAN DECIDE WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO ON IT, BUT I, I FEEL THAT THE COUNTY OWES IT TO US TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON COMBINATION OF THE COM OF THE BOTH THE ORDINANCE AND THE POLICY.

AND WHEN WE'RE NOT MEETING IT, WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING ON THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THAT'S WRONG.

I KNOW THAT'S THE CONFLICT THAT STAFF HAD.

WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE BASE OUR DECISION BASED MAINLY ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ORDINANCE WOULD'VE CHANGED HAD WE HAD THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THAT.

IT WAS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT MADE THAT IMPOSSIBLE BACK IN JUNE.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE SITTING WITH A NEW ORDINANCE.

TRUE.

AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THAT'S WHY WE HIGHLIGHTED IT IN THE MEMO, SO THAT YOU WOULD BE AWARE THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT, UM, IN THIS SITUATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD WAS AWARE OF IT.

SO YOU COULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

YOU COULD WEIGH THE WEIGH, WEIGH, WHICH PARTS YOU FEEL ARE THE BEST ONES TO, TO MAKE YOUR DECISION ON.

MY STRUGGLE THOUGH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, IS THAT IT'S FLYING IN THE FACE OF WHAT THIS BOARD HAD REACHED IN TERMS OF A POLICY DECISION.

AND SO IT'S PUTTING US INTO AN ARGUMENTATIVE POSITION EVERY TIME WE MEET.

I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THAT.

I I, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS BOARD DECIDING WHICH WAY IT WANTS TO GO, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO PICK ON STAFF OR CRITICIZE STAFF BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE DOWN A PATH THAT'S CONTRARY TO OUR BOARD POLICY.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING.

AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND.

WE, WE JUST CAME AT IT FROM THE LEGAL ASPECT MORE THAN THE POLICY STANDPOINT IN THIS SITUATION.

THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION.

IT WAS BASED MORE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAN ON THE POLICY.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

A SINGLE FAMILY RANCH STYLE HOME.

ALRIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU MS. ANDERSON, SO WE CAN MOVE TO, UM, THE APPLICANTS IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE.

THIS IS OP, YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

I'M MARGARET HARIN.

MY HUSBAND IS, UH, STILL AT WORK.

UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT WITH ME TONIGHT.

UH, BUT WE WERE AT THE PLANNING MEETING AND KIRK AND ANNA MARIE MCKINLEY ARE HERE WITH US.

AND I'LL JUST TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME JUST TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY WE EVEN, UH, REQUEST THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND I HAVE A LONG PAGE HERE, BUT I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE.

AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, WE, UM, HAVE AGING PARENTS.

MY PARENTS OR MY MOM IS ALL THAT'S LEFT.

SHE'S IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

MY HUSBAND'S MOTHER IS IN PENNSYLVANIA.

AND UM, WE LIVE IN VIRGINIA, HAVE OUR WHOLE LIFE.

WE'VE BEEN PART OF YORK COUNTY SINCE WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, UH, 20, ALMOST 24 YEARS AGO.

AND WE PLAN TO REMAIN HERE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAVEL COMING IN OUR FUTURE.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING QUITE A BIT BACK AND FORTH TO TAKE CARE OF OUR AGING MOMS. AND SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER FAMILIES LIKE OURS.

WE HAVE FOUR CHILDREN ALL BEEN THROUGH YORK COUNTY.

OUR YOUNGEST IS ABOUT TO GRADUATE IN A YEAR AND A HALF FROM BREWTON.

AND, UM, WHEN WE TRAVELED WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, IT WAS MUCH EASIER FOR US TO TRAVEL AND STAY IN A HOME, IN A TOURIST HOME RATHER THAN GET A SERIES OF HOTEL ROOMS. IT JUST MADE FOR A MORE PLEASANT VACATION, WHICH WE RARELY DID.

AND WILLIAMSBURG IN YORK COUNTY HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER.

WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND AT THE SAME TIME JUST TRY TO MINIMIZE OUR OWN EXPENSES WITH THE TRAVEL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF OUR MOMS. SO, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I KNOW THERE WAS A QUE UM, I HEAR THAT YOU'RE STUCK ON THE FACT THAT WE WON'T BE IN THE HOME.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THE LAYOUT OF THE HOME.

IT'S

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SO IT'S REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO BEING, TO LIVE IN THE HOME WHILE WE HAVE A PART OF IT RENTED.

IT'S JUST, I'D HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT IT AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.

SO, BUT IT WILL BE VACANT AND WE'D LIKE TO, NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT IF IT COULD BE VACANT FOR UP TO A MONTH AT A TIME, AND I THINK IT'S IN A BETTER INTEREST AND BETTER FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE AND LEAVING IT ALONE.

SO, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. HALL.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, ONE QUESTION.

UH, YOU SAID YOUR SON IS A YEAR AND A HALF FROM GRADUATING? YES.

UH, SO CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE .

BUT, BUT THAT RAISES A QUESTION OF WOULD HE NOT BE AT HOME? UH, NO.

HE'S PLANNING TO GO OFF TO SCHOOL.

UM, OUR, HIS BIG SISTERS NOW LIVE IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

ALSO, BOTH, WELL, ALL OF HIS OLDER SIBLINGS ARE GRADUATES FOR OF BREWTON.

BUT AT THE MOMENT, UM, THEY HAVE MOVED OUT.

UM, BIG BROTHER LIVES JUST DOWN THE ROAD ACTUALLY IN WILLIAMSBURG.

HE JUST RECENTLY MOVED OUT TOO.

SO HE WILL BE, AND BESIDES HE WILL BE WITH US IF DURING THE SUMMERS WHEN WE GO TO THE GRANDPARENTS' HOUSE.

SO, SO IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SUMMER WHEN YOU WOULD BE RENTING? PROBABLY.

AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO THIS IMMEDIATELY.

UM, LIKE I SAID, HE'S NOT, NOT OUTTA THE HOUSE YET, SO , WE JUST WANNA BE PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

UH, YEAH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH YOU GUYS.

IT'S, WE HAVE, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A CONFLICT.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

AND SO I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT WHATEVER DECISION, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF YOU OR I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

ALRIGHT, MR. SHEPHERD, I'LL SAVE MY SPEARS FOR DISCUSSION.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

UM, ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'LL UM, OPEN THE, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SIGNED UP.

DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR R 24 DASH 1 49.

SO READY FOR BOARD COMMENTS? READY? YEAH.

ALRIGHT, MR. SHEPHERD.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AND, AND MIKE, YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE FACE WITH THIS IS THAT BASED UPON THE GENERAL ASSEMBLIES CODE CHANGE, OKAY, IF WE SCREW AROUND WITH OUR CODE, THEN IT BECOMES MOOT.

OUR CODE BECOMES MOOT.

RIGHT? I, THAT WAS MY CONCLUSION.

OKAY, GOOD.

SO, SO THEN WE CAME UP, INSTEAD OF GET AROUND THAT WE COME UP WITH A THING WE CALL THE POLICY.

OKAY? UM, SO, SO WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR CITIZENS SUPPOSED TO THINK? ARE CITIZENS SUPPOSED TO THINK, OH, WELL THE LAW SAYS THIS, OKAY, BUT NO, THEY GOTTA DEAL WITH, WE GOTTA DEAL WITH THE, THE WHIMS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR BECAUSE OF POLICY.

SO, NOT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL GUYS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE MINIMIZING THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

BUT I'M, I'M THINKING THAT, UH, I'M THINKING OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE OVER TIME.

AND HOW MUCH TROUBLE HAS OR IT HASN'T DONE.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS HAVING A REP FOR AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I UNDERSTAND I APPRECIATE THE POLICY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT, UH, MY FEELING IS THAT THAT IS NOT, UM, THAT WAS SORT OF LIKE A GUIDANCE BASICALLY, OR A SUGGESTION.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

IT'S NOT THE LAW OF THE LAND.

AND, UH, I'M NOT SO HARD.

I'M NOT SO HARD, UH, STUCK ON THE POLICIES, UH, AS I AM OBVIOUSLY THE CODE.

AND, UM, SO I MEAN, MY, MY ISSUE IS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

OKAY? WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE DOING THIS IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I SEE NO REASON TO VER TO DEVIATE FROM WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED.

THERE'S PRECEDENCE THERE AND, AND I'LL SUPPORT THAT PART.

THAT'S ME.

THAT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT'S BEST SUITED FOR THEIR COUNTY.

THANK YOU MR. DREWRY.

SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE I'M AT.

UM, WE, WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND TRIED TO FIGURE THIS OUT BECAUSE OF ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND WE ALL AGREED ON THAT.

EVERY ONE OF US SITTING ON THIS BOARD, WE AGREED UNANIMOUSLY THAT THAT'S THE WAY WE WERE GONNA GO.

I'M NOT ABOUT TO SIT HERE AND WAFFLE BACK AND FORTH AND PLAY WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS, THEIR FEELINGS, THEIR EMOTIONS, THEIR HARD WORK AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE TO TRY TO GET THIS DONE.

WE ARE PLAYING WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE SET THE STANDARD.

AND IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THE STANDARD, IT WILL NOT BE EQUITABLE.

AND THAT'S NOT FAIR.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THESE PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT COME ALONG.

WE'VE ADOPTED AN AGREEMENT ON TOP OF WHAT THE STATE HAS ISSUED FOR YORK COUNTY.

AND, AND, AND JURISDICTIONS DO

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AND TO ME, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS EVERY TIME I FEEL BAD FOR THESE PEOPLE.

THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS UPFRONT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE GET APPROVED, OR IT'S GOOD CHANCES NOT GONNA GET APPROVED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE, OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE JUST VOTED ON.

WE JUST WENT OVER THIS.

AND FOR Y'ALL TO SIT HERE AND SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND GO, NO, WE DIDN'T.

YES WE DID.

OR YOU THINK THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

IT'S NOT RIDICULOUS.

WE NEED TO SET A STANDARD AND WE NEED TO STICK TO THE STANDARDS.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO THAT PODIUM, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT.

THEY DON'T KNOW THAT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE WAFFLING BACK AND FORTH AGAIN.

THAT'S WHY WE DID THE POLICY THE WAY WE DID BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GONNA WAFFLE BACK AND FORTH.

AND FOR ME, I'M NOT, I'M GONNA STICK TO THE POLICY THAT WE AGREED TO ON TOP OF WHAT THE STATE AGREED FOR, IT'S GIVEN US.

AND I WILL DO THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME BECAUSE IT'S EQUITABLE.

AND IF I DON'T DO THAT, I'M NOT BEING FAIR TO OTHER PEOPLE.

IF WE APPROVE THIS ONE AND WE DON'T APPROVE THE NEXT ONE, THEN WE'VE SET A TERRIBLE STANDARD.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

THANK YOU MR. RY.

MRS. NOEL, YOU WHAT? UH, THAT SURE ON THAT.

YOU GOT IT.

A POLICY IS NOT SET IN STONE.

A POLICY IS SOMETHING THAT WE CHOOSE TO GO BY, BUT IF CIRCUMSTANCES ARE DIFFERENT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY FOLLOW THE POLICY.

THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME TO US WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY FOR US.

WHY DO WE HAVE A JOB IF, IF, BECAUSE WE FOLLOW RULES, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS, WE JUST VOTE THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.

NO, WE ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE, WE'RE DEALING WITH LIVES, WE'RE DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS, AND I'M DEALING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL SITUATION.

I'VE LOOKED AT, AT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

I'VE LOOKED WHAT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAS VOTED ON, AND I AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, MRS. NOLAN.

MR. ROY, I'M FRUSTRATED.

UM, I THINK WE ARE SENDING A VERY MIXED SIGNAL OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THEY PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO COME HERE, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A CERTAIN EXPECTATION OF, OF, UH, SUCCESS IF THEY GO THROW THAT, THAT MONEY AND THAT COST AND THAT TIME.

AND YET I COME BACK TO A POLICY THAT WE ALL AGREED ON IN JUNE.

UM, IT, UH, IN, IN FAIRNESS TO WHAT SHEILA SAID, IT DOES SAY THAT THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER, THAT'S RIGHT, MAY CONSIDER EVALUATING THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE, BUT THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT ON SHORT TERM RENTAL, THE OWNER OF A TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE.

IF RESIDING IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE, THE OWNER OF THE TOURIST HOME MUST BE WITHIN A 3000 FOOT RADIUS.

THEY HAVEN'T MET THAT.

SO FOR THIS, FOR THIS PACKAGE, THIS APPLICATION TO COME FORWARD STATING THAT WE'VE MET ALL THE CONDITIONS OF BOTH THE, OF BOTH THE, UH, ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD POLICY, IT'S, IT'S FLAWED.

AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE BOARD WOULD NOT NECESSARILY VOTE FOR APPROVAL OR, OR, OR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE, UM, THE COUNTY WOULD NOT, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, BUT LEAVE IT TO THE BOARD FOR THAT DECISION.

I'M STUCK.

I I HAVE A POLICY THAT WE AGREED ON IN JUNE.

I'M MORE, MR. DREWRY IS ON THIS ONE.

I, I THINK I HAVE TO STICK WITH THAT PRINCIPLE.

TO ME, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD POLICY WORK HAND IN HAND TO SERVE THE BESTS INTEREST OF THE, OF THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.

I KNOW FOR MYSELF, AND I'M SURE THE SAME WITH EACH OF Y'ALL, YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPONENTS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND YOU'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT COME TO YOU AND ASK YOU, I'VE HAD PEOPLE BASICALLY BESEECH ME TO OUTLAW SHORT TERM RENTALS ACROSS THE COUNTY ALTOGETHER.

I, I THINK EITHER, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING IT CLARK BLANC OR ALTOGETHER IS TOO EXTREME.

UH, I LIKE IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY LIKE THEY INVESTED IN IT, BUT ALSO LIKE FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL.

SO THESE TWO ELEMENTS, THE ORDINANCE AND THE POLICY BOARD POLICY COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE.

IS IT GONNA BE PERFECT? NO.

'CAUSE WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE GEOGRAPHICAL LAYOUT.

WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON, HE LIVES IN TOWNHOUSES, SOME PEOPLE ON FIVE ACRES OF PROPERTY, SOME PEOPLE WATERFRONT PROPERTY, SOME PEOPLE LIVE ON 17.

SO NO ONE POLICY, NO ONE ORDINANCE TO GONNA COVER AT ALL NOW, RIGHT? WE DO NOT HAVE A LUXURY AS A BODY UP HERE TO SIMPLY GO WITH ORDINANCE SAYS X.

SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.

IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

THEY WOULD

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JUST FOLLOW THROUGH.

WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE NEED TO BE UP HERE.

SO SINCE IT DOES COME TO US AS WE DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, WE NEED TO ASSESS THE ORDINANCE, THE POLICY, WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE TALKED TO US ABOUT WHAT IS BEST FOR YORK COUNTY, AND MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THAT.

UM, THE REASON WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS IS TO ASK THE QUESTION AND GIVE APPLICANTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE A SPECIAL NEED, OR I HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY GO BEYOND A POLICY OR ORDINANCE.

WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER IT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE.

AND MAYBE WE'LL FIND CASES WHERE, YEAH, IN, IN SOME INSTANCES IT MAKES SENSE TO DEVIATE BECAUSE OF REASONS.

I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO GET INTO ALL THE PERMUTATION THAT COULD BE.

BUT TONIGHT WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND.

I APPRECIATE WHETHER THE PLANNING MISSION GETTING TOGETHER, PUT SOME THOUGHTS INTO IT.

I APPRECIATE STAFF GETTING TOGETHER, GIVING A RECOMMENDATION, BUT END OF THE DAY IT COMES TO US, THE BUCK STOPS HERE, WE MAKE A DECISION AND, AND GO FROM THERE.

I'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS ON, ON HOW I CONSIDER THESE APPLICATIONS.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS THE, UM, OCCUPANCY OF THE OWNER ON EITHER ON PROPERTY OR NEAR IS IMPORTANT IS SO WHEN, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ARE THERE TO ADDRESS IT WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

THE NEIGHBORS AREN'T TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE AND TRYING TO ENGAGE A PARTY THAT DOESN'T HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME LIKE THE OWNERS DO.

UM, SO THAT IS WHY THAT PART OF THE POLICY EXISTS AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND IMPORTANT TO MY NEIGHBORS WHO MAY NEED TO LEAN UPON THAT.

SO, UM, THOSE TWO THINGS GO HAND IN HAND.

THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH VALID.

WE EACH HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE UP HERE, UM, BASED UPON WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS WANTS, WHAT'S BEST FOR YORK COUNTY AND WHAT WE HAD TO WORK WITH IN FRONT OF US.

SO WITH THAT, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 24 1 49 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

MR. ROHN, NO MOTION FAILED.

[4. Verizon Cable Television Franchise Renewal Agreement: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 24-19 to authorize the County Administrator to execute a Cable Franchise Agreement with Verizon Virginia, LLC.]

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

WE HAVE A RISING CABLE TELEVISION FRANCHISE RENEWAL AGREEMENT.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 19.

WHO'S GONNA SPEAK TO THAT? OH, MR. WATTS GONNA SPEAK TO THAT.

IF I CLICK THE PAGE OUT, I KNOW THAT .

I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO OVER AT A VERY BROAD LEVEL WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERIZON CABLE FRANCHISE RENEWAL AGREEMENT.

UM, THIS COMES TO THE BOARD BECAUSE THE FEDERAL CABLE COMMUNICATIONS POLICY ACT OF 1982 AND THE STATE'S COMMUNICATION SALES ACT OF 2007 PUTS THE CABLE TELEVISION SERVICE APPROVAL, THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS IN FRONT OF THE LOCAL BODY, THE LOCALITY.

UM, THE BIGGEST NOTE I WANNA MAKE IS THIS COVERS CABLE TELEVISION SERVICE.

IT DOES NOT COVER INTERNET OR PHONE SERVICE THAT COMES UNDER THE FCC AND IS NOT A PART OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT IN THE VOTE TONIGHT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, IT CAN BE SEEN AS A THREE-WAY KIND OF DEAL.

VERIZON, IN THIS CASE, THE PROVIDER GETS TO USE THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAYS TO DELIVER THE CABLE FOR THE SERVICE, FOR THE CABLE TV.

THE CITIZENS HAVE THE ABILITY OR THE OPTION TO PAY FOR TELEVISION SERVICE.

AND THE COUNTY GETS A COUPLE OTHER BENEFITS SUCH AS THE THREE COUNTY CHANNELS ON VERIZON, IT'S 38, 39 40, THE COUNTY CHANNEL, THE OR COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION CHANNEL, AND THEN THE BULLETIN BOARD THAT WE SHOW JOB ADVERTISEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE ALSO GET COUNTY CABLE SERVICE TO THE FACILITIES.

IT DOES NEED TO BE NOTED BEFORE I GET INTO THE KEY CHANGES OF THIS LATEST RENEWAL, THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S BETWEEN 55 AND 60 US BASED HOUSEHOLDS HAVE TRADITIONAL TV SERVICE THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY DROPPING BY 5% FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS AND NO SIGNS OF IT LETTING UP.

IF ANYTHING, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO INCREASE THAT LESS PEOPLE IN THE US USE TELEVISION SERVICE.

UM, IT, THIS IS BECAUSE OF CUTTING THE CORD, CUTTING THE CABLE.

PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET PURE INTERNET BASED TELEVISION, PURE INTERNET BASED NEWS MEDIA LIKE THAT.

SO IT SHOULD BE REALIZED, AND THE MARKET KNOWS THIS, THAT EVENTUALLY CABLE TELEVISION SERVICE WILL NOT BE VIABLE.

THAT'S NOT TODAY.

BUT THE COST FOR VERIZON OR COX, OR CHANTEL AT SOME POINT WILL NOT MAKE IT VIABLE BECAUSE OF THAT, THE COUNTY AND EVERY OTHER LOCALITY IS IN THE SAME BOAT THAT WHEN THESE CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS COME UP FOR RENEWAL, IT'S USUALLY IN THE PROVIDER'S INTEREST.

THEY HAVE A LOT MORE LEVERAGE IN THE NEGOTIATIONS THAN THE LOCALITIES DO.

SOME OF THE KEY CHANGES, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WORDING.

THE LAST VERIZON FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WAS DONE 15 YEARS AGO.

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SO THERE'S 15 YEARS OF UPDATED WORDING, LEGAL REFERENCES, VERBIAGE AROUND THAT.

THE ANOTHER KEY DIFFERENCE IN THIS RENEWAL BEFORE YOU IS THE THREE COUNTY CHANNELS RIGHT NOW ARE BEING BROADCAST IN STANDARD DEFINITION.

SO IT'S KIND OF PIXEL, AS PEOPLE MAY REALIZE.

WE SEND IT AT A VERY HIGH QUALITY AT HIGH DEF, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, VERIZON DOWNGRADES IT TO STANDARD DEF WITH THIS AGREEMENT.

THEY'LL LEAVE IT AT HIGH DEFINITION.

SO A BETTER PICTURE QUALITY, BETTER QUALITY OVERALL FOR CHANNEL 38, 39 AND 40 ON VERIZON.

THE TERM PREVIOUSLY WAS 15 YEARS, SO WE NEGOTIATED FIVE YEARS.

VERIZON WANTED VERY STRONGLY FOR THREE YEARS.

WE PUSHED IT FOR FIVE YEARS.

SO WE AT LEAST IF THIS HAS PASSED TONIGHT, WE WILL NOT COME BACK UP FOR ANY CHANGES OF TERMS FOR FIVE MORE YEARS.

HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE A ONE YEAR OPT OUT.

SO AT ANY POINT THEY CAN NOTIFY THE COUNTY AND THEIR CUSTOMERS WITH ONE YEAR NOTICE THAT, HEY, WE'RE DONE.

IT'S NO LONGER A VIABLE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO CEASE GIVING OUT CABLE SERVICE AND THAT'LL BE THE END, AT THE END OF THE 12 MONTHS.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PORTION OF THE FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO VERIZON GIVES US FIBER TO TAKE THE SIGNAL HERE DOWN TO THE BROADCAST LOCATION.

THAT FIBER IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

IT'S VERY OLD.

ONCE IT STARTS HAVING ISSUES IN THIS AGREEMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO SWITCH TO A MORE MODERN MOBILE DEVICE.

AND THAT'S ALL WRITTEN INTO THE AGREEMENT AT THAT POINT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, MR. ROY? QUESTION? NO, NO QUESTIONS.

MRS. NO, NO.

MR. MR. RY? YES SIR.

UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO AS WE MOVE INTO NO CABLE, IS, IS THIS GOT A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

NO, THERE'S NO COST, THERE'S COST TO THE COUNTY FOR THIS? NO.

SO THE ONE YEAR OPTOUT IS ON THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO OPT OUT IF CORRECT.

AND, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY, I DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT FOR US BACKING OUT.

IT WOULD JUST BE WHEN IT'S NOT A VIABLE BUSINESS DECISION AND IT WAS A HARD LINE DURING NEGOTIATIONS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE ON AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE SIGNED ON TO.

SO THE BENEFIT FOR THEM, THEY GET THE RIGHT OF WAY.

TO, TO SINK THEIR CABLES THAT ARE GONNA GO AWAY AT SOME POINT.

SO TIM, BASED ON, UM, BASED ON EXPERIENCE FROM 15 YEARS AGO, UM, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE CABLE AND THE FRANCHISE AND THE, THE SHARING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY FCC BASICALLY LIMITS VERY MUCH WHAT WE CAN DO.

I MEAN THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO THE ASK IS AN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR COUNTY SO THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SINK CABLE IN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING ONES, USE WHAT THEY HAVE YEP.

PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, MEANING IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY OR ANY, ANY RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THEY NEED TO DROP, DROP A LINE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS COUNTY RIGHT OF AWAYS, BUT I'M, THAT'S MY, SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY NEED TO DROP A LINE THERE.

THIS, THIS DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT OR DOESN'T.

YES, IT DOES.

IT DOES ADDRESS THAT.

UM, , WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY STOP USING PHYSICAL CABLE AND GO TO 5G OR WHATEVER TECHNOLOGY EXISTS WHEN THEY FINALLY MOVE AWAY FROM CABLE? DOES, DOES THAT, DOES, DOES IT THEN FALL UNDER FCC AND NO MORE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS OR DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS? SO THE CABLE IS GENERALLY ONE PIECE OF FIBER IS WHAT THEY BURY TODAY.

AND THAT FIBER CAN CARRY TELEVISION SERVICE, INTERNET SERVICE IN YOUR PHONE, VOICEOVER IP SERVICE.

IF THEY JUST STOPPED SENDING THE TELEVISION SIGNAL OVER THAT FIBER, THEY'RE GOOD.

THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE RIGHT OF WAYS, ALL THE REGULAR FCC THINGS TAKE OVER AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

THAT'S, THAT WAS WHERE I'M GETTING AT.

UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BENEFIT SLIDE PLEASE? YES, OF COURSE.

SO GET TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY IF WE, IF WE DON'T AGREE TO THAT VERIZON CABLE TV SERVERS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO YORK COUNTY CITIZENS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

UM, AND THE COUNTY, WE GET THREE HD BROADCAST CHANNELS AND CABLE SERVICE COUNTY FACILITY.

UM, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OF CUSTOMER SERVICE IN HERE SOMEWHERE? YES.

WE WERE TO GRANT THIS, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS THAT THEY SHOULD MEET? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR, OUR RESIDENTS, IF WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY GRANT THEM A NEAR MONOPOLY OF SERVICE HERE, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PROVIDERS AS WELL, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE MARKET THERE, SO WE'VE REALLY KIND OF LIMITED.

SO,

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UM, CORRECT.

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE BACK.

IF WE WERE TO GRANT THIS TO 'EM AND THEY CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THEY'RE, YOU'RE THEIR ONLY CHOICE, SO CORRECT.

PER THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

AND IT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE HEART OF IT, IN MY OPINION, STILL THE SAME, WHICH IS THEY SEND US REPORTS, UM, I BELIEVE IF IT'S QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY ABOUT ANY CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS.

AGAIN, ONLY ON CABLE TV SERVICE.

UM, THE BOARD I KNOW ON THE PRIOR ONE COULD CALL THEM UP HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

THAT'S STILL IN THERE.

I BELIEVE THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN WHEN YOU COULD CALL UP A REPRESENTATIVE HAS INCREASED.

UM, BUT I BELIEVE THIS BOARD HAS NEVER ASKED FOR ANY OF THE CABLE COMPANIES TO COME UP.

BUT THERE IS RECOURSE WHERE THIS BOARD CAN CALL UP AND, YOU KNOW, IN PUBLIC TALK TO THEM, ADDRESS CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS OF THAT CABLE TV SERVICE.

ALL WHO ELSE DO DOES COUNTY HAVE THESE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WITH BANKS? WE HAVE ONE WITH COX COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS IN ONE TO TWO YEARS.

'CAUSE THEIRS IS UP FOR RENEWAL THEN AS WELL AS CHANTEL IN THE NORTHERN HALF FOR DISTRICT ONE'S THREE ALTOGETHER OF THE COUNTY.

SERVICE IS ON PAGE 19 18 19.

CUSTOMER SERVICE.

UM, OKAY, SO LEMME GET BACK IN MY SPOT HERE.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO THANK THANK YOU MR. WATT.

UM, OPEN FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY LIKE TO COME SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? ALL RIGHT.

SEEING NUMBER I WILL, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PART.

UM, SO I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR ORDINANCE 24 19.

SO MOVED.

ALRIGHT, ANY, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS AT THIS POINT? PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

YEAH, I THINK SO TOO.

SEND YOU TO ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 19 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH VERIZON, VIRGINIA, LLLC.

[5. Application No. ZT-185-20 – Home Occupations: Material to follow - In Committee.]

UM, NEXT TOPIC.

OUR HOMEBASED BUSINESS ORDINANCE REVIEW DISCUSSION, MR. ANDERSON TO TALK TO THIS.

AND BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, KIND OF LITTLE, LITTLE BIT PIGGYBACK ON MR. RO EARLIER, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THIS, NOT JUST RECENTLY, BUT YOU HAD A EARLY COMMISSION THAT GOT TOGETHER DURING COVID AFTER, BEFORE COVID.

I FORGET THE TIMEFRAME NOW.

UM, FIRST SLIDE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO THAT.

SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK OVER TIME.

SOME BUMPS IN THE ROAD.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS.

THE MOST RECENT COMMITTEE GETTING TOGETHER, SPEND A LOT OF HOURS REALLY IN CRUNCH TIME TO KIND OF HAMMER RIGHT.

PUT THE FINAL I'S AND DOS I'S AND CROSSES THE T'S TO GET, GET THIS HERE AT THE FINISH LINE.

UM, SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORK AND EFFORT FOCUS ON THIS.

UM, AND I I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

I I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL I, I WOULD SAY BASED ON ALL ORDINANCES OR LEGISLATION, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOMETHING GOOD, SOLID, BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, AND WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT.

SO IF YOU COULD PRESENT WHERE WE, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, AND, UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT LAST SENTENCE IN THERE REALLY NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AND TO KIND OF OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT IF THERE'S NOT A USE LISTED IN THIS ACTUAL ORDINANCE, THAT THAT PERSON COULD THEN APPLY AND GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.

SO ORIGINATED FROM A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE LETTER BACK IN 2018.

UH, THE BOARD AT THAT TIME, UH, TOOK THE LETTER AND FELT THAT YES, UH, WE WERE IN A PLACE WHERE WE WANTED TO BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY HERE IN THE COUNTY, AND WHAT A GREATER PLACE TO START THAN HOME OCCUPATION.

SO THEY APPOINTED A COMMITTEE.

UH, THAT COMMITTEE WORKED, UH, THROUGHOUT 2019 TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE.

UM, COVID HIT AND THINGS GOT DELAYED, UH, AS MANY THINGS HAPPENED.

UM, AND WE BROUGHT IT BACK, UH, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY.

THEY APPROVED IT, UH, FROM WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.

UH, THERE WERE MANY BOARD WORK SESSIONS, CITIZEN INPUT, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE YOU AS A BOARD FELT THAT WHAT THE PROPOSAL WAS WAS A LITTLE TOO BROAD, UM, TOO FLEXIBLE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO, UH, YOU HAD APPOINTED AT YOUR LAST MEETING, UH, FOR ANOTHER C CITIZEN HOME-BASED COMMITTEE TO OF, OF THREE AS, UH, MR. ROY MENTIONED EARLIER.

UH, THREE CITIZENS, UH, TO PARTICIPATE.

AND, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY AND QUICKLY TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER THIS ORDINANCE FOR YOU.

SO I'M PRESENTING ALL THE CHANGES THAT I HAVEN'T ALREADY PRESENTED TO YOU, THE ONES THAT ARE BASICALLY THE, THE MAIN BIG ONES THAT THIS, UH, THREE PERSON COMMITTEE CAME FORWARD WITH.

SO WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.

UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE, UH, RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU.

WE'RE GONNA START RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, UM, AT TWO 80, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE VERY FAR FORCED PART OF THAT.

UM, THIS NEW COMMITTEE, UM, THEY TOOK A LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE THERE AND THEY FELT THAT, THAT

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SO IT DOESN'T REALLY RESTRICT SOMEONE COME COMING FORWARD WITH A NEW IDEA FOR A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.

THEY COULD DO IT, IT STILL COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT STILL BECOMES BEFORE THE BOARD WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THOSE THINGS.

SO IT, IT OPENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, UH, NOT BE AS RESTRICTIVE, BUT GIVE SOMEBODY THE OPTION TO COME FORWARD WITH A NEW USE THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT FIRST MAJOR CHANGE WAS.

AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.

IN 2 81, UH, THEY CLARIFIED THAT RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAKING, MAKING SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY CLEAR THAT NEEDS TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THEY DROPPED DOWN OUTDOOR STORAGE OUTTA THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH AND MADE IT ITS OWN LINE ITEMS SO THAT IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC THAT IF YOU WANT OUTDOOR STORAGE, YOU HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ADDITIONALLY, THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF CLARIFICATION WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING USED BY THE HOME OCCUPATIONS.

SO THEY THREW IN SOME, UH, LIMITS AND DEFINED IT CLEARLY, UH, USING THE GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT CLASS, UM, TO REALLY SAY, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF VEHICLES YOU CAN HAVE AS A PERMITTED USE WITH A HOME OCCUPATION.

IN ADDITION, THEY ALSO ADDED LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE IN OTHER PLACES OR IN THIS SECTION IN OTHER PLACES THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR, UH, THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.

UM, ONE OTHER PIECE THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS A LOG BOOK.

AND THIS WAS NOT PUT IN IN YOUR SECTION, UH, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF WAY TO TRACK THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMER'S CLIENTS COMING FROM THAT.

UH, WE DIDN'T INSERT THAT LANGUAGE, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY AND HOW WE WOULD GET THAT.

UH, BUT THAT IS A PROPOSAL IF YOU WANTED TO ADD IT.

UH, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAYBE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS THAT GO ALONG WITH IF WE WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THERE AS A REQUIREMENT.

ALSO, IN 2 81, THEY CLARIFIED THEY WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THE NOISE.

UM, IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THAT THE THREE PERSON COMMITTEE HAD, THEY HAD A SENTENCE IN THERE THAT REALLY ONLY SPOKE TO NOISE THAT WAS CREATED BY THE VOICE.

SO SCREAMING, SINGING LOUDLY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND REALLY IT WAS TO ADDRESS WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT NOISE, UH, ORDINANCE UNDER 1619, WHICH SAYS YOU CAN'T SCREAM, SHOUT BE LOUD BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 PM AND 7:00 AM.

UH, THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT ALL, ALL DAY LONG SO THAT A HOME OCCUPATION COULDN'T HAVE SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SCREAMING OR SHOUTING FOR THE HOME OCCUPATION.

AND IF THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC, THEN WE COULD DO THAT.

BUT THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH ENFORCEABILITY THERE.

UH, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHERIFF, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HE'S THE MAIN ENFORCEMENT AGENT FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT CONVERSATION, UH, THIS WAS THE ONE ITEM WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE COMPLETE CONSENSUS.

IT WAS KIND OF A TWO TO ONE VOTE.

UH, THIS WAS THE ONE ITEM THAT WE HAD, BUT THEY, THE COMMITTEE JUST ENDED UP REMOVING THAT ONE SENTENCE OUT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KEPT THE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE IN THERE.

UM, WE'LL JUMP INTO 2 82 NOW.

2 82, UM, YOU'LL SEE THEY MADE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE.

UM, THEY HAVE ALLOWED UP TO ONE CUSTOMER CLIENT, SO IT IS PROVIDING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, FLEXIBILITY FOR HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.

UH, THOSE CLIENTS CAN COME MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND THEY CAN COME BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM AND 8:00 PM AND THE FURTHER RESTRICTION IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FIVE CUSTOMERS PER DAY.

AND WHERE DID THAT FIVE NUMBER COME FROM? COME COME FROM? IT CAME FROM BASICALLY THE TRAFFIC GENERATION THAT A NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME WOULD HAVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TABLES THAT THEY HAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GENERATE ABOUT 9.4, I THINK IT'S 9.4, 9.6, I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW, 9.4, UH, TRIPS PER DAY.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT AN ADDITIONAL 10 TRIPS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT HAS HOME OCCUPATION KIND OF FIT INTO THAT FIVE CUSTOMERS PER DAY THING.

SO THEY INCLUDED THAT LANGUAGE.

THEY ALSO REMOVED A FEW USES.

UH, THEY REMOVED, UH, DENTIST PHYSICIANS MUSIC LESSONS, VOICE LESSONS, UH, THEY KEPT IN THEIR TUTORING.

UM, AND THEY ADDED SOME USES.

THEY ADDED PRESCHOOL NURSERY USES MS. DAMON.

JUST BE, TO CLARIFY YOU MEAN PERMITTED BY RIGHT? NOT PERMITTED BY, RIGHT.

NOT CORRECT.

THEY, THEY REMOVED FROM PERMITTED BY WRIGHT DENTIST PHYSICIANS MUSIC VOICE CLEAR.

REPAIR WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT THEY ADDED.

AND THEY ADDED AS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT WEB DESIGNERS ONLINE TEACHING VIRTUAL ASSISTANTS, ELECTRONIC DEVICE REPAIR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED YOUR PHONE SCREEN REPLACED, THAT KIND OF THING.

AND SEWING MACHINE

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GO AHEAD.

MR. WHAT'S THE, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE? THANK YOU.

WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND REMOVING THE DENTIST PHYSICIANS FROM THAT? UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY REMOVED.

THEY PUSHED IT INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CATEGORY.

THEY JUST FELT THAT THOSE USES REALLY NEEDED TO GO BEFORE YOU AS THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE, UM, EXTRANEOUS THINGS THAT OTHER HOME OCCUPATIONS MAY NOT HAVE.

EQUIPMENT X-RAY EQUIPMENT, UM, MAYBE CHEMICALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, MEDICINES, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY.

AND SO THEY JUST PUT IT DOWN.

THEY DIDN'T REMOVE IT COMPLETELY FROM HOME OCCUPATION, THEY JUST PUT IT INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION.

SO A DOCTOR THAT DOES HOUSE CALLS WOULD FALL INTO THE CATEGORY, HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE A, BE A PHYSICIAN TO DO HOUSE CALLS FROM YOUR HOUSE TO ANOTHER HOUSE.

HMM.

THAT ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW.

COUNTY WHERE THAT'S JUST HIS OFFICE AT HIS HOUSE IS ALL YOU WOULD HAVE.

UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW.

WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WELL, THAT, THAT, WELL, THAT KIND OF FALLS IN TOO, THEN RESCUE SQUAD COMING TO YOUR HOME TO, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME, SAME THING.

I'M NOT GONNA RESTRICT THAT.

I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

WELL, I'M SAYING WE, YOU, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, DOCTORS MAKING A HOUSE CALL.

THAT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO CALLING A RESCUE SQUAD FOR SOME ASSISTANCE AS WELL.

THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A HOUSE CALL, BUT NOT EVEN CLOSE BECAUSE DID THEY, DO THEY OPERATE OUT OF THE HOUSE? THEY OPERATE OUT OF A BUILDING.

SO I'M TALKING ABOUT A DOCTOR WHO DOES HOUSE CALLS.

THERE'S PHYSICIANS NOW.

DAYS HAVE DECIDED TO CUT AWAY FROM THE RAT RACE OF HAVING THEIR OFFICE HAVING AN OFFICE AND RUNNING THROUGH 20 TO 30 PATIENTS A WEEK A DAY.

AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THEIR LIVES IS TO BE A PHYSICIAN AT THEIR HOME.

AND THEY DO HOUSE CALLS.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I GET THE GET CLARIFICATION.

DOES THIS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY? I, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IN THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, IT WOULD JUST BE, THEY WOULD HAVE AN OFFICE AT THEIR HOME SIMILAR TO AN ACCOUNTANT OR THE ONLINE TEACHING VIRTUAL ASSISTANT.

IT'S THE CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT THAT THE, THAT THIS SECTION REALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE OPENING IT UP TO ALLOW CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT, THEY DIDN'T WANT THOSE USES TO BE IN THERE.

SO I THINK IT, MR. JURY JUST BROUGHT IT, JUST SAID SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.

THEY WOULD HAVE MAYBE HAVE DRUGS AT THEIR HOUSE.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, SO IF THIS IS, WE DON'T, THIS IS NOT CLEAR TO ME WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

I JUST FIND IT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW DENTISTS THAT DO HOUSE CALLS ANYWHERE.

IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW DENTISTS THAT EVEN DO WORK IN THEIR HOUSE.

BUT, UH, PHYSICIANS I KNOW, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND MUSIC LESSONS AT A HOME, UH, WHICH WE USED TO BE BY RIGHT NOW, IF WE APPROVE THIS WILL BE BY, UM, SEXUAL USE PERMIT.

SO THERE'S NO CLARIFICATION HERE.

I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE JUST FROM, I'M LOOKING AT MY PEERS THAT WE WOULD ALLOW THE OFFICE, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT ON THE THE AT THE HOME, YOU MEAN BY, YOU MEAN BY RIGHT BY, RIGHT BY RIGHT.

SO DOCTOR VISITS ARE FINE.

HO HOUSE CALLS ARE FINE.

HOUSE CALLS ARE NOT COVERED HERE.

THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT HAVING AN A DENTAL OR DOCTOR OFFICE, PHYSICIAN OFFICE AT THE HOME, TAKING CLIENTS AT YOUR HOME OR, OR RIGHT.

OR PATIENTS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

I'LL KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

UM, WE DID ADD A NEW SECTION UNDER PERMITTED USES, UM, OUTSIDE OF THOSE, UM, RESTRICTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOURS AND THE DAYS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, ONE IS THE DAYCARE.

UM, IT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN REMOVED BY THE THREE PERSON COMMITTEE AND PUT INTO SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALL DAYCARES.

UM, HOWEVER, THE, UH, DURING OUR RESEARCH, UH, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY POINTED OUT THAT SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 2 9 2 REQUIRES US TO ALL ALLOW, UM, CONSIDER THOSE USES, UH, AS A, THEY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED THE SAME AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCY.

SO WE COULD NOT, UH, REMOVE THEM FROM THE PERMITTED USES SECTION.

UM, THE COMMITTEE DID HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY DID END UP PUTTING IT BACK IN TO, UM, THE, THIS SECTION.

UH, THEY DID HAVE SOME THOUGHTS FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD THOUGH, IN THAT, UM, IF A DAYCARE IS FOR AND UNDER, THERE IS NO STATE, UH, MONITORING OR LICENSING OF THAT.

UM, SO THEY FELT THAT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU THINK ABOUT

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AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

UM, IF YOU APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS NOW, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, USE THAT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE CLERGY USE, WHICH IS A RELIGIOUS USE.

AND THERE ARE CERTAIN ACTS OF CONGRESS THAT DON'T ALLOW US TO REGULATE RELIGIOUS USES IN CERTAIN WAYS.

AND SO WE FELT JUST TO BE SAFE, WE WOULD MOVE THEM OUT OF THAT, UM, THOSE RESTRICTIONS ALSO AND ALLOW THEM TO, TO OPERATE, UM, WITH THAT IN THAT WAY.

SO, SO CLERGY CAN PERFORM A WEDDING AT A HOME, PERFORM A WEDDING AT HIS HOME OR HER HOME, RIGHT? BY RIGHT? I WOULD BELIEVE SO, YES.

THEN THEY CAN HAVE A, A RELIGIOUS GATHERING.

SO THERE'S NO RESTRICTION THAT YOU'RE IMPLYING IT'S IN THIS BOOK ON THE USE OF FOR RELIGIOUS MEANS.

FOR RELIGIOUS USES, YES.

ALRIGHT, NOW LET'S JUMP INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION, WHICH IS 2 83.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THEY ADDED LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IF, IF YOU'RE GOING OVER THE ONE CUSTOMER OR CLIENT PER HOUR, YOU NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

IF YOU'RE GOING OVER MORE THAN FIVE CUSTOMERS PER DAY, YOU NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO IT ALLOWS THAT FLEXIBILITY TO STILL COME FORWARD AND GO THROUGH THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.

UH, TO THAT SECTION, THEY ADDED, UM, THE, THE CERTIFIED REGISTERED MEDICAL AND HEALTH PROFESSIONALS.

THAT'S THE DENTIST MEDICINE DENTIST, DOCTORS, DIETICIANS, UM, NUTRITIONISTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, THEY ADDED, UH, SINCE THEY WERE ADDING THOSE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEY FELT LIKE VETERINARIANS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO KINDLING.

SO NO OVERNIGHT STAY OF ANIMALS.

UH, THEY ADDED IN SMALL ENGINE REPAIR, WHICH WAS IN THE PROHIBITED USES, BUT THEY TOOK THAT OUT AND PUT IT IN AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THE BOARD, THEY ADDED BLACKSMITHING, WHICH WAS A USE KIND OF BASED OFF THE FIREARM GUNSMITHING.

SO THEY FELT LIKE BLACKSMITHING SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ALSO, UM, IN ADDITION, THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT AUTOMOBILE DETAILING SERVICES AND FELT THAT THAT SHOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE COULD APPLY FOR AND GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS.

SO BLACKSMITHING IS GONNA BE A PER PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

YOU EVER BEEN AROUND A BLACKSMITH? I HAVE.

WELL, THE ONE IN COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.

AND THEN, UM, IN UNDER THE CONTRACTOR SHOP SECTION, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THERE ABOUT FENCING.

UM, AND STAFF REALLY PROPOSED THIS CONDI CONDITION OR NOT CONDITION.

THIS, THIS CHANGE INTO REQUIRE AN OPAQUE FENCE AND OPAQUE JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT.

UH, WE HAD LIKE WOOD AND MASONRY IN THERE, SO, AND RATHER THAN JUST SAYING THAT WE JUST SAY OPAQUE SO IT CAN'T BE SEEN THROUGH, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS MORE EFFECTIVE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROPOSAL FROM THE 2019 COMMITTEE HAD PUT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THEY DEFINED IT SPECIFICALLY BY GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT, WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO HOW WE, WE, WE REGULATED ON WHEN IT'S AN ON-STREET PARKING.

UM, SO WE TOOK SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE FROM THE ON-STREET PARKING AND PUT IT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION HERE.

THAT ORIGINAL, UM, PROPOSAL WAS 19,501 GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING.

UH, THIS COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THAT WAS REALLY TOO LARGE OF VEHICLES, SO THEY DROPPED IT DOWN TO 1601.

THEY ALSO ADDED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE SCREENING.

THEY DROPPED THE PASSENGER VEHICLES FROM 16 DOWN TO 12.

WHY DID THEY, WHICH ONE DID THEY DROP THE, THE PASSENGER VEHICLE DOWN TO 12? UH, BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE 16 OR 16 WAS JUST TOO BIG.

AND EVEN 12 IS LARGE AND IT STILL WOULD, I MEAN, STILL MEANS THAT SOMEONE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE SERVICE VAN.

IT'S STILL A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO SOMEONE COULD STILL COME FORWARD WITH A 16 PASSENGER VEHICLE VAN.

YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, THEY COULD OFFER THAT A LIMOUSINE SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS A HOME OCCUPATION.

AND THEN THEY, THEY DIDN'T SEE A REAL NEED FOR HAVING SOLID WASTE COLLECTION VEHICLES BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD.

SO THEY JUST REMOVED THAT COMPLETELY.

UM, FROM THE PROPOSAL.

MS. ANDERSON, BEFORE YOU GO FOR, COULD YOU QUALIFY WHAT, 16,000 G-V-G-V-R WHATEVER VEHICLE IS.

SO IT'D BE LIKE A F TWO 50? NO, NO.

A TRUCK.

NO, IT'D BE BIGGER THAN THAT.

A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN THAT.

SMALL SCHOOL, I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE LOOKED AT THE VEHICLES AND IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS, IT KIND OF DROPPED IT DOWN FROM THE LARGER PANEL TRUCKS DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE RESIDENTIAL AND, AND, AND LOOK AND FEEL.

MY MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT, TALKING WITH FOLKS IS WE, WE, THEY, THEY, THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO APPLY TO VEHICLES THAT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR NORMAL DRIVING.

SO AN F TWO 50, F 3 50, 2500, 3500 DOESN'T GET COVERED THERE.

THEY'RE

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NOT 16,000 GVWR.

IT'S THEIR BIGGER VEHICLES.

I IF, IF I, I'VE SEEN THE CHART THAT SHOWS THE ETTES OF THE DIFFERENT VEHICLES AND IT'S NOT A NORMAL PICKUP TRUCK OR VAN.

IT'S REALLY A, A PURPOSE MADE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, EVEN AT 16,000 GVWR.

SO.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY PUT IT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

'CAUSE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULDN'T NORMALLY SEE.

IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD ALSO DRIVE TO SCHOOL TO PICK UP YOUR KIDS THEN TYPICALLY.

TYPICALLY AT 19,000 YOU'RE INTO A THREE QUARTER OR A FULL TON TRUCK.

SO IT'S, IT'S TRULY A COMMERCIAL TRUCK AT THAT POINT.

AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS 2 84, WHICH IS THE PROHIBITED USES.

UM, THEY ADDED TO THE PROHIBITED USES AUTOMOBILE SALES AND BODY WORK.

SO NO, NONE OF THAT HAPPENING AS A HOME OCCUPATION.

THEY ADDED CREMATORIUMS, THEY ADDED VETERINARY HOSPITALS AND THEN THEY, UH, UH, THEY ORIGINALLY THE, THE COMMITTEE HAD PUT IN ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES.

UM, HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT, UH, STAFF REALLY RECOMMENDED THEY NOT ADD IT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIONS FOR THESE USES.

BEFORE YOU JUMP OVER SURE.

TALK ABOUT, UM, THE HOME OCCUPATION FOR SMALL ENGINES AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR.

I THOUGHT WE, WE, THIS IS, IS THIS GONNA BE NOT TOTALLY NOT PERMITTED RIGHT? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE? S SMALL ENGINE REPAIR NO, WE PUT IT NO, YOU GOT IT WRITTEN HERE.

SMALL ENGINE, WELL, EXCUSE ME.

IT SAYS I HOME OCCUPATION FOR SMALL ENGINE AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR.

IT'S UNDER TWO.

IT'S THIS, UH, 2 84.

THIRD LINE IS THE, UH, YOU GOT IT RIGHT ON.

WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE BODY WORKS ON THERE.

IT'S JUST SO IT'S JUST, IT'S LIKE THE THIRD PARAGRAPH DOWN AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE MEMO ON PAGE THREE.

SO IT SAYS THE HOME ON PAGE FOR A SMALL ENGINE AND EQUIPMENT PAIR WAS DELETED FROM THE PROHIBITED SECTION AND ADDED TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT SECTION.

SECTION.

SO IT'S IN SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

WE BUMPED IT UP I THOUGHT TO ALLOW HECTOR.

YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

I HAVE A QUESTION, AS YOU KNOW.

UH, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE TOLD ME THAT THIS WAS IN THE PRIOR, UH, ORDINANCE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY ANYMORE TO HAVE IT.

THE ONE THAT SAYS FUNERAL CHAPELS OR FUNERAL HOMES OR CREMATORIUMS. I CAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY THAT I WOULD THINK WE HAVE NOW.

THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ANY OF THESE COMING IN AS, AS A HOME OCCUPATION.

AND, AND THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALL PROHIBITED LIST.

SO I CAN TAKE IT ALL OUT.

I MEAN, IF WE TAKE IT OUT, THAT MEANS SOMEONE COULD APPLY FOR IT AS A SPECIAL USE PREVENT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT, NOT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED, BUT THEY COULD APPLY IF YOU TAKE IT OUTTA THE PROHIBITED LIST.

THAT'S SO FARFETCHED, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN.

I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE ARE VERY FARFETCHED.

THEY, THAT THEY, YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BUT WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IT WAS PROHIBITED.

NOT SOMETHING WE WANTED.

SEE, IT'S NITPICKING.

I GOTCHA.

UM, AND THEN JUST LASTLY ON THE ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES, UH, WE DO WANNA BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL ADD THE DEFINITIONS FOR ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES.

SOMETHING THAT WILL ADD IT TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES, AS WELL AS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

AND THEN AT THAT TIME, WE WILL ALSO TRY TO ADD IT INTO THE PROHIBITED USES FOR HOME OCCUPATION.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DIDN'T WANNA OPEN UP THE DOOR JUST BY PUTTING IT IN THE ORDINANCE IN THIS ONE SECTION.

IT'S NOWHERE ELSE IN THE ORDINANCE.

UH, SO WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE PULL TOGETHER THAT INFORMATION AND BRING IT TO YOU AS ANOTHER ZONING AMENDMENT IN THE FUTURE.

, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE WORKED VERY HARD.

UM, THE ORIGINAL EFFORT WAS TO TRY TO BRING A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT WHILE PROTECTING THOSE NEIGHBORS.

UM, AND THIS NEW COMMITTEE, AS I SAID, THEY WORK REALLY HARD OVER A VERY SHORT TIME PERIOD TO KIND OF BRING THAT BALANCE AND FLEXIBILITY IN THERE FROM BOTH SIDES.

NOT ONLY THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR PROTECTION, BUT ALSO THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO, TO, UM, COME INTO THE COUNTY AND START OPERATING AND THEN HOPE WE EVENTUALLY MOVE INTO A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALWAYS THE HOPE WITH THESE THINGS.

UH, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS, UH, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT YOU MAY REVISIT IT SOON, UH, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S WORKING, UM, AND OTHER THINGS AS THEY KIND OF COME FORWARD.

SO WE DO HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE FOR YOUR APPROVAL, UM, AND IF YOU WANNA MAKE CHANGES TO IT.

UM, BUT THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS 24 DASH 14 R ONE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'RE READY TO CONTINUE.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON PAGE ONE, EARL.

SO, WE'LL, YEAH.

BUCKLE UP.

AND MR. RO, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

OH, AND ONE LAST THING.

I APOLOGIZE.

UH, MR. DAVIDSON HAD GIVEN YOU ALL THE LETTER, UH, HE COULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT, AND MR. UH, HOWELL IS HERE TONIGHT.

UM, AND MR. TITUS IS DOING ELECTION TRAINING TONIGHT, SO HE COULDN'T BE HERE, BUT MR. DAVIDSON GAVE YOU A LETTER IN HIS SUPPORT OF THIS, THIS, UH, THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID.

AND THIS, THIS ORDINANCE, AND I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD, MR. ROY.

SO WE JUMP, UH, PAST PAGE ONE AND DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PAGE, AND THEN BEGAN TO ASK AS WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS.

WAIT, WHERE ARE WE? SO BACK ON PAGE ONE, ON, ON 24.12

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80.

YOU SAID A, A LOG REPORT WAS A SUGGESTION.

WAS THAT A CONSENSUS OF THE THREE? SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LOG BOOK.

UH, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ENFORCEABILITY AND THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO REVIEW THE LOGBOOK.

AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ALSO.

NO WORRIES.

UH, BECAUSE THIS CAME UP WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I BELIEVE, IN THE PAST.

AND THE WAY THAT IT ENDED UP BEING WAS THAT, UM, AND THIS IS JUST THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AS, AS MR. HILL AND I WERE TALKING, UM, IS THAT WE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A WARRANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE LOG BOOK.

WE COULD REQUIRE THEM TO KEEP IT, UH, BUT THEY, UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE US A WARRANT TO GET IT.

AND, AND I'M, MR. HILL MAY BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT BETTER THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT, IF YOU WANT.

UH, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

I MEAN THE, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST IT FOR VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT TO ME IT'S, IT WOULD BE SUPERFLUOUS BECAUSE I MEAN, I GUESS IN THEORY YOU COULD SAY KEEP A LOG OF, FIRST OF ALL.

I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOU BE KEEPING A LOG OF? I MEAN, NAME INFORMATION, BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE IT, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET IT WITHOUT A, WITHOUT A WARRANT.

SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING BUSINESSES ARE DOCUMENTING THEIR ACTIVITIES AND THAT INFORMATION WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY BE AVAILABLE FOR INVESTIGATORY PURPOSES THROUGH A WARRANT OR SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, THIS DISCUSSION'S COME UP BEFORE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, FIREARM SALES, FIREARM SALES.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN REQUIRE THE, THE COURTS HAVE SPECIFICALLY CARVED OUT AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT.

AND USUALLY WHEN WE DO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE PUT IT IN THERE AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.

SO I, I MEAN, THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN TERMS, IF YOU WANTED TO RE RECOMMEND OR, OR, OR REQUIRE BUSINESSES TO KEEP CERTAIN DOCUMENTATION.

BUT JUST, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN IF WE DID IT, OUR ABILITY TO, TO GET IT AND MAKE ANY USE OF IT, IS SIGNIFICANTLY CURTAILED BY VIRTUE OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT.

I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION ON THAT FIRST PAGE.

SECTION G, YOU TALKED ABOUT NOISE AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT REMOVING VOICE, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THE RECOMMENDATION.

DO YOU HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE FOR THE DAYTIME HOURS? NOT FOR VOICE, FOR DAYTIMES HOURS, IT WOULD JUST FALL BACK TO THE NOISE ORDINANCES CURRENTLY IN PLACE.

YEAH, THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

AND THE COMMITTEE DID ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO EQUIPMENT EMPLOYEES, OWNERS, CUSTOMERS, OR CLIENTS ALSO IN THERE.

YEAH, I READ THAT.

YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

MRS. NOLL, I'VE JUST RAISED THAT ONE POINT.

UH, I THINK IT'S SUPERFLUOUS.

WE DON'T NEED THAT IN THERE ANYMORE.

AND THAT'S 2 4 1 DASH 2 84.

UM, BB I'D LIKE IT REMOVED.

WOULD WE EVER APPROVE THAT AS BOARD? NO.

ANY OF THOSE YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT IT CAME IN AS.

I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT ANYMORE.

WELL, IT'S TRUE, BUT IF WE WOULD NEVER APPROVE IT AS A BOARD, WE MIGHT AS WELL TELL 'EM UP FRONT.

DON'T EVEN APPLY FOR IT.

SAVE, SAVE THE MONEY.

I DON'T DUNNO IF ANYBODY WOULD EVER APPLY FOR ANY OF THOSE, BUT, BUT I DON'T EITHER.

SO WHY HAVE IT? WELL, WHAT, UH, OKAY.

I'M, I'M A LITTLE LOST OVER HERE.

SEE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DEBATING HERE? I LOOK AT TWO.

WHAT? WHERE'S B? YOU SAID 2 84 B.

IT'S, IT'S 2 4 1 DASH 2 84.

IT'S PAGE 10.

AND THE RESOLUTION 2 84 BEFORE HAVING IT USELESS.

NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT.

I JUST, I'M USE, I'M USING THE ONE THEY SENT US.

AND IN ADDITION TO FUNERAL CHAPELS OR FUNERAL HOMES, THEY'VE ADDED CREMATORIUMS. SO THE, SO THE WHOLE DEAL, I, I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION, BUT, SO THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE IT IN HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FACE SOMEBODY COME UP HERE AND SAYING THEY WANNA DO IT IN THEIR HOME.

DOES THIS APPLY ALSO TO PET CREMATORIUMS OR IS JUST CREMATORIUMS PERIOD? IT, IT WOULD BE ANY CREMATORIUM .

SHEILA, I SUGGEST YOU JUST KEEP IT IN THERE.

'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO AND DEBATE THIS .

I THINK IT'S CHILDISH, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

YOU LEAVE IT.

WELL, THERE'S A, SOMEWHERE BACK IN THE YEARS THERE, THERE WAS THIS THING WHERE IF WE DIDN'T, IF WHAT WAS, IT HAD TO GO, IF, SO IF WE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE STATE GOVERNMENT AS AN, OR US AS AN EXTENSION OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT DID NOT PERMIT SOMETHING, THEN IT WAS AUTOMATICALLY NOT PERMITTED BECAUSE OF THE DYLAN RULE.

SAYING THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN HERE, OR IN FACT YOU'RE SAYING IF WE DON'T HAVE IT LISTED IN HERE, THEN THEN THEY CAN COME AND APPLY AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

I REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THIS THING.

THAT'S A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.

I THINK YOU'RE GETTING NO, THE DYLAN RULE HADN'T GONE AWAY.

NO.

THE DYLAN RULE IS SO, AND I DON'T WANNA GO BACK THROUGH THAT CRAP AGAIN.

BUT THE, SO YOU'RE

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SO SHOULD WE NOT SOMEWHERE IN HERE, SAY, IF IT'S NOT IN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT LIST, YOU CAN'T COME IN AND APPLY FOR IT.

I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD KEEP IT IN THE PROHIBIT.

MY MY OPINION WOULD BE KEEP IT IN THE PROHIBITED LIST SO THAT, AS MR. R SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU'RE CLEAR UPFRONT THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU JUST WANTED, I SUGGEST KEEP IT HERE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

THIS IS KIND OF GOING WHAT YOUR POINT WAS.

HEY, IT'S VERY CLEAR.

THERE IT IS.

IT'S IN OUR CODE.

DON'T COME BACK.

DON'T COME UP HERE ASKING FOR PERMISSION ANYWAY.

AND I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT ADDING LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, IF IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY EXPLICITLY LISTENING HERE, THEN IT'S NOT ALLOWED.

BECAUSE WE NEVER TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THAT MAY COME UP.

THAT MAY BE, HEY, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT SORRY, WE CAN'T DO, WE, WE WENT THROUGH, WE WENT THROUGH, SO WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

SO, AND THAT WAS WHY THE COMMITTEE CHANGED THAT LANGUAGE AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAD THE SAME IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH A NEW IDEA, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD AND ASK YOU.

SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE PROHIBITED USES, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, BE CLEAR UPFRONT THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO SEE IN THE HOME OCCUPATION.

WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT.

WELL THE ONLY THING WE'VE HAD THAT, THAT WAS ADDED IS THE CREMATORY AND THE REST OF US WAS ALREADY IN THE PROHIBITION.

AND MY POINT OF COURSE IS THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYONE APPLY FOR IT IN THE PAST.

SO WHY HAVE IT? BECAUSE IT WASN'T A PROHIBITED, THAT'S WHY JUST ABOUT A NO AGAINST IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? BUT YET IT OKAY, MR. JURY? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE COMMENTS OR, WELL, THIS IS THAT TIME.

OH, IT IS.

WE'RE JUST GO AHEAD ALL THAT.

WELL, UM, SO JUST MY COMMENT, UH, ON THIS IS I THINK WE GOT THIS RIGHT AND I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT THE TEAM PUT TOGETHER.

I MEAN, UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2019.

THAT'S A LONG TIME.

I, I HOPE WE DON'T EVER HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN.

AND SO I WOULD MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STAFF THAT WE REVISIT THIS MAYBE EVERY OTHER YEAR ABOUT EVERY I TEACH, AND IT WON'T BE AS ARDUOUS, YOU KNOW, TIMES DO CHANGE.

AND, AND MAYBE WE DO IT EVERY COUPLE YEARS INSTEAD OF WAITING SIX YEARS OUT, EIGHT YEARS OUT WHEN A LOT'S GOING TO CHANGE AS WE SEE IN OUR COUNTRY NOW.

SO I, I WOULD JUST MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

BUT, UM, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.

BUT I, MY HAT'S OFF TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED HARD ON THIS AND I THINK WE GOT IT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT PERFECT.

LIKE STEVEN SAID, IT'S NOT PERFECT.

I'M SURE IT'S NEVER GONNA BE PERFECT, BUT I THINK WE GOT IT REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK, MR. MR. SHEPHERD.

I'LL KIND OF, UH, REVISIT AN ISSUE HERE.

I'M NOT, UH, SURE WHERE IT IS, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, OUR APPROVAL.

SO WHAT'S THE, UM, I THINK YOU, YOU ORIGINALLY BROUGHT IT UP FROM THE, FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT DID THE REVIEW.

THEY MADE SOME SIMPLE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THINK IT WAS KIND OF CATCHALL, RIGHT.

AND I THINK THE ONE DEALT WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE AT THE HOUSE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE, OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL RIGHT.

HOME BASE COMMITTEE? YES.

AND SO IT WAS SOMETHING TO THE, I THINK WE HAD, WAS IT FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE? FOUR.

FOUR.

NOW THIS ONE APPEARED AT TIMES TO ALLOW MORE THAN THAT.

SO, BUT WHAT IS, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? SO THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATION WE'VE KIND OF SET ASIDE AND THIS ONE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT MANY PEOPLE AT ONE TIME.

IT WOULD JUST ALLOW ONE PERSON AT A TIME.

SO IF WE HAVE A, PER A HOME BUSINESS, UH, THE, THE, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S JUST SINGLE PERSON, BUT THERE, MR, MR. REAL QUICK, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THERE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE? I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WORKING THERE.

NOT, NOT PEOPLE COMING TO SHOP.

WELL, I'M, I'M TRYING TO CATCH, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A, IF THERE, WELL I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS EVER A DIFF A DIFFERENCE YEAH.

BETWEEN PEOPLE BEING IN THE ROOM BUILDING RIGHT.

AT ONE TIME AND, AND I KNOW WE GOT THE KIDS CAN BE FOUR KIDS PLUS THE OWNER'S KIDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT IT WAS SOME, AT THE, GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS THAT YOU HAD JUST, YOU COULD HAVE LIKE FOUR PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, RIGHT? AND THEY COULD BE THE WORKERS OR GET, OR, OR CLIENTS.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

YOU AND GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THEIR COUNTING THINGS OR, SO WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THIS RESTRICTION TO GIVE IT DOWN TO ONE? UH, WELL THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD GAVE ME AT THE WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD WAS THAT YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT INVISIBLE.

HOW DOES THIS CHANGE AFFECT THAT? SO THIS DOES NOT, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THIS PER CURRENT PROPOSAL.

UM, BUT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, IT DOES OPEN IT UP FOR CUSTOMER CLIENT.

SO IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOU CAN HAVE ONE CUSTOMER CLIENT COME VISIT YOU IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BOOK FIVE PEOPLE A DAY TO COME TO YOUR HOME BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

AND THEY COULD SIT DOWN WITH

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YOU DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THE USES.

AND SO WE CUT IT BACK SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULDN'T BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND VISITATION GOING ON.

SO IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT INVISIBLE TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL SITUATION.

AND SO WE, WE, THE, THE THREE PERSON COMMITTEE DECIDED TO JUST OPEN IT UP TO JUST ONE, YOU KNOW, STILL ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY TO BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND ALLOW THE ONE CUSTOMER PER HOUR FIVE UP TO FIVE CUSTOMERS PER DAY.

SO THAT'S STILL IT.

IT'S BETTER THAN WE HAVE NOW.

UM, BUT IT'S NOT AS OPEN AS THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE HAD DONE, AS YOU SAID, WHICH WOULD BE, THEY HAD SUGGESTED JUST FOUR.

AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GO OVER FOUR, YOU'RE GOOD.

AS LONG AS YOU CAN MEET THE PARKING, YOU'RE FINE.

BUT YOU CAN GO OVER, YOU GO OVER FOUR WITH THIS THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

YOU COULD YES, YES.

YOU COULD APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE.

SO, SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SOMEBODY SAYING, SO SHE'S JUST AGREEING WITH YOU.

SHE'S MUMBLING.

WE'RE MUMBLING.

SO THE, UH, THE, THE POINT IN HERE IS THAT, UH, WE'VE MADE, WE'VE, I, I CAN'T TELL EXACTLY HOW WE'VE MADE THIS RESTRICTION AND WHY WE'VE MADE IT.

SO, UM, IF I, IF THERE'S CERTAIN, THERE'S CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT, THAT WERE BEING VISIBLE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE MAYBE ONE, TWO OR THREE MORE EMPLOYEES THAT COULD COME IN AND WORK IN THERE WITH THE PERSON.

I DON'T, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE.

AND, AND FOR A HOME BUSINESS, IF THEY'RE STILL INVISIBLE, ALL YOU MIGHT HAVE A CAR TO, UH, OR, OR SOMETHING LESS.

BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWING ANY FLEXIBILITY OR FACT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE ALLOWING THE FLEXIBILITY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE RACKING UP THE COST.

IF I NEEDED A, IF I NEED A, UH, A PERSON WITH SOME SPECIAL SKILL IN FINANCING OR WHATEVER TO WORK WITH ME ON A BUSINESS THAT I NEED TO DO TO BRING THAT PERSON IN HERE, THEN I GOTTA GO SPEND WHATEVER IT IS, SEVEN, $800 TO COME UP HERE AND ASK THE BOARD, UH, AT THEIR WHIM WHETHER I COULD HAVE THIS PERSON RIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S A PRO.

I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU FLAT OUT, I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IT, IT SEEMS TO NOT, IT SEEMS TO, IT IT GOES AGAINST WHAT OUR ORIGINAL, UH, THE GROUP THAT THEY CAME UP WITH.

UM, I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT HAVING A SMALL BUSINESS, WHICH DOESN'T PROBABLY GENERATE A LOT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN EXTRA PERSON OR TWO IN THEIR HOME TO HELP WITH THEIR BUSINESS.

AND THAT CAN BE LANGUAGE YOU ADD.

I MEAN, YOU COULD ADD IT TO 2 82 TO SAY, UM, OR ONE EMPLOYEE OR ONE EMPLOYEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I MEAN, YOU COULD ADD THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE.

I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M SPEAKING OFF THE CUFF HERE.

UM, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, I'D BE INTERESTED.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU COULD PROPOSE.

BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, UH, IF YOU WANTED, I MEAN, I KIND OF LOOK AT FOUR BEING A CROWD, BUT, BUT I MEAN, TO ME, UH, MORE THAN ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE, ALLOWED TO HIRE SOME SPECIAL PERSON TO COME WORK WITH THEM IN THEIR BUSINESS.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU GROW YOUR BUSINESS, RIGHT? SITTING THERE BY YOURSELF AND YOU'RE GONNA GENERATE ENOUGH BUSINESS TO WARRANT, GO OUT TO A, A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE.

AND I, AND I HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S CAUSING THAT TO GENERATE MONEY ON A SMALL BUSINESS, UH, FOR NOT CAUSING GENERATING, BUT HAVING TO SPEND MONEY TO COME UP IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD.

SO, I MEAN, I I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, UH, TWO EMPLOYEES.

I CAN LIVE WITH THAT TWO ADDITIONAL, TWO ADDITIONAL PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE AS LONG AS IT STAYS INVISIBLE.

BUT HOLD, HOLD, HOLD ON A SECOND.

LET'S CLARIFY.

THE ONLY LIMITATION OF PEOPLE IN 2 82 THAT I SEE IS CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT.

NON-EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? YOU'D HAVE TO ADD IT.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER SECTION, UH, E, WHICH IS HOME OCCUPATIONS WITH NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.

AND IT JUST REQUIRES ANY HOME OCCUPATION, UH, TO BE AUTHORIZED FOR NON-RESIDENT BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SECTION E SECTION E.

IT'S ELEVATED.

IT'S ON PAGE NINE OF YOUR RESOLUTION.

A SMALL BUSINESS TO HAVE ONE OR TWO EMPLOYEES THERE AND NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE, UH, RESIDENTS AROUND.

SO, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF 2 82.

2 82 SPEAKS.

BUT IT'S NOT MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO, TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT SAYS, OR AN EMPLOYEE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

I'M DOING THIS ON THE FLY, SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY I'M DOING IT CORRECT.

UM, BUT THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE AND E ALSO SO THAT IT ADDRESSES ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES BEYOND WHATEVER NUMBER YOU ALL MIGHT WANT TO SET.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THE, YEAH.

THE GOAL IS, THE GOAL HERE IS ONE, REDUCE THE COSTS OF THE SMALL BUSINESS TO HAVE THE ABILITY OF

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I'M KEEPING WITH OUR POLICY OF HAVING MINIMAL IMPACT.

SO I DON'T, THAT'S WHY I'M SEEING LIKE ONE OR TWO EXTRA EMPLOYEES AND THAT WOULD BE, OKAY, GOOD.

YOU GOT THAT.

'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SMALL BUSINESSES THAT NEED THIS.

THAT, THAT DON'T NEED TO COME OUT HERE AND SPEND THE SEVEN OR $800, UH, TO COME UP HERE AND LISTEN TO THE BOARD.

WELL, COULDN'T YOU ADDRESS THAT IN THIS E AND JUST SAY THREE OR MORE NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? YES.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE CHANGE WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE IF YOU WANTED TO ADD EMPLOYEES TO PERMITTED TO A PERMITTED USES SECTION THAT, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THAT'D BE FINE.

CAN YOU ADD THAT JUST, WELL, YOU JUST CHANGE IT FROM ONE TO THREE.

SO YOU COULD HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES.

I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

WRONG.

YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I WOULD'VE SAID TOO, NEXT ONE, THEN YOU GO SPECIAL.

THAT'S, THAT, THAT DEALS WITH YOUR, YOU BRING IN A SPECIALIST FOR A FINANCIAL ISSUE.

SO TOO SMALL.

WELL, I BRING THIS UP 'CAUSE I KNOW A PERSON'S GOT A BUSINESS THAT REALLY WANTED FOUR.

WELL, IF THEY'VE SAID, OKAY, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW, I PUSHED FOUR MAYBE, BUT THREE SOMETHING SOMETHING.

BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT HAVING 'EM COME UP HERE AGAIN.

I COME BACK TO, WE PUT A TASK TEAM ON IT.

THEY CAME UP WITH A CONSENSUS PRODUCT AND I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT 'EM.

THAT'S JUST ONE TEAM I GOT.

HOW ABOUT OUR FIRST TEAM? FIRST TEAM, WHICH WAS A LOT BIGGER THAN THE SECOND TEAM.

SO I DON'T WANT THE FIRST TEAM TO BE OVERRIDDEN BY A SECOND TEAM WHO SPENT JUST AS MUCH EFFORT.

SO I'M POINTING ABOUT THE BOARD.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE OWN AS THE SUPERVISORS.

THIS IS US.

WE ARE A TEAM OF FIVE PEOPLE UP HERE.

SO IT'S OUR DECISION.

I AGREE.

I AGREE.

MS. ANDERSON, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK EVERYBODY DID, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA MAKE OUR DEC WE GOTTA MAKE DECISIONS HERE.

MS. DANIEL, REMIND US WHAT THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS FOR THAT CLAUSE.

SO THE, THE ORIGINAL HOME BASE COMMITTEE HAD PROPOSED FOUR.

FOUR.

AND I MEAN, FOUR COULD BE ANYONE.

IT COULD BE CLIENTS, CUSTOMERS, OR IT COULD BE EMPLOYEES.

THERE COULD BE ANY MIX OF THOSE.

SO THIS SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO NON-RESIDENTS, EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEE.

THE CLIENT.

THE PROPOSAL IS CHANGE IT FROM ONE TO THREE.

WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IN 2 82 A AT THE END OF WHERE IT SAYS SUNDAY, WE PUT A COMMA AND THEN WRITE THE WORDS OR UP TO TWO NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.

THREE.

WHAT? HOLD ON.

YOU ALREADY GOT IN TWO ON PAGE NINE.

SECTION E WELL, ONE, GO BACK.

GO BACK FURTHER.

'CAUSE IF YOU WANNA ALLOW IT AS A PERMITTED BY RIGHT USE TO HAVE UP TO TWO EMPLOYEES.

IS IT TWO OR THREE? IT'S TWO.

TWO.

SO UP TO TWO EMPLOYEES, MR. HENDERSON, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO CHANGE 2 40, 24 0.1 2 81 A AS WELL.

SO THE ONE, THE ONE PERSON, WELL, IT WOULD BE ALL.

OH, WELL YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO ADD TWO 80.

THAT WOULD BE 3 2 82 TO THAT.

SO IT'S 2 83 E.

SO WE COULD ADD 2 82 A THERE ALSO.

THAT'S WHERE YOU, THAT'S WHERE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT.

SO WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING ORDINANCE WORK RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO THIS IS HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE, RIGHT? SO, SO THEN I WOULD SAY ON 2 82 A, WE WOULD ADD OR UP TO TWO NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN WE WOULD GO BACK TO E AS MR. DRURY SUGGESTED, AND CHANGE THAT ONE TO THREE OR MORE NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MATCH.

DOES THAT CAPTURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? MAKE A MATCH? YEAH, JUST MAKE A MATCH.

DO YOU SEE IT, DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO READ IT BACK.

, SEE IF YOU CAN READ IT BACK.

OKAY, SO UNDER 2 81 A, WE'D, WE'D PUT AFTER THE VERY LAST PART 2, 4 24 0.1 DASH 2 83 E AND 2 82 A.

AND THEN UNDER 2 82 A, WE PUT A COMMA AFTER SUNDAY.

AND THE WORDS, OR UP TO TWO EMPLOYEE NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN BACK ON PAGE NINE, E HOME OCCUPATIONS WITH NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.

WE CHANGE THE WORD ONE TO THREE AND THE NUMBER ONE TO THREE.

AND THAT WOULD BE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, RIGHT? YEP.

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I DO HAVE ONE.

IT'S, UH, AND I, IT'S, I KNOW IT'S NITPICKY.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT 2 82, UH, THE FIVE CUSTOMER LIMIT.

I'M JUST, I'M THINKING LIKE IF I WAS AN ACCOUNTANT AND I HAD A HUSBAND AND WIFE COME IN, SO HOW DOES THAT WORK IF YOU HAVE THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY JUST GET AWAY WITH IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, OR IF WE'RE BUSINESS PARTNERS AND WE NEED TO GO TALK TO THE ACCOUNTANT TOGETHER, I'M THINKING IT, COULD IT BE TRIPS INSTEAD OF CLIENTS OR, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT ANYWAY, I, I'M ALL FOR WHATEVER.

THE ONLY HANGUP THERE IS THE ONE ONCE PER OR ONE PER HOUR, RIGHT? PER, YEAH.

SO IT WOULD BE ONE PER HOUR.

RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S, I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD AS A BUSINESS PERSON.

I'M A FINANCE GUY.

IF I HAD A, IF I HAD A HOME OFFICE, I HAVE HUSBAND AND WIVES COME ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO I I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH IT, BUT I, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE, THERE IS, THE COMMITTEE WENT ROUND AROUND ON A LOT.

I'LL ROUND AROUND ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, AS YOU SAID, THERE'S NO PERFECT WAY TO DO IT.

AND WE MAY JUST HAVE TO PUT THIS IN THERE AND KIND OF SEE HOW IT GOES.

AND IF WE'RE RUNNING INTO PROBLEMS, THEN, SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHY, WHY CAN'T WE, WHY CAN'T WE DO THE, THE, THE, THE TWO CUSTOMERS OR AT A TIME? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE D WHY, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT'S HOLDING IT UP? WELL THAT THEN YOU'RE INCREASING THE TRAFFIC.

SO BECAUSE THEN YOU MAY HAVE DOUBLE SO WHAT THE VERBIAGE, I THINK WHAT THE VERBIAGE IS, IF THEY COME TOGETHER, THEY'RE ONE CUSTOMER.

THAT, THAT, THAT WORKS.

PILE 'EM ALL IN.

THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE SMART PEOPLE HERE.

PEOPLE PILE IN THERE AND THEY'RE ALL, IT WAS THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS THE BIG ISSUE.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO COMBAT.

I'M GOOD, RIGHT? JUST OPEN.

UH, ARE WE HAVING UH, UM, PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THIS? NO, WE CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT LAST TIME.

SO THEN I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS I WANT.

NO, THEY DID CALL.

ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD.

YOU GO.

AND I'LL, I'LL FINISH UP.

SO YOU WANT ME TO SIT DOWN? NO, STAY THERE.

, I TOLD, TOLD YOU TO BUCKLE UP.

JUST ONE NOTE THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, NOTIFIED BY MS. SHOT IS, THIS IS GONNA NOW GONNA BE AN R DASH TWO.

UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE WE MADE THE CHANGE.

I GOTTA FIND MY NOTES.

THERE WE GO.

ON THE FLY.

SO I, I HAD ALREADY STATED THAT I WAS THRILLED WITH THE WORK THAT THE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE DID AND REACHING CONSENSUS 'CAUSE THIS WAS NOT EASY.

AND AS YOU'VE OBSERVED UP HERE TONIGHT, IT'S NOT EASY.

UM, ON PAGE TWO, SECTION 24.1282, EARL YOU COMMENTED ON DAYCARE FOR NOT, UM, FOR NOT MORE THAN FOUR CHILDREN.

I FELT STRONGLY THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER AN SUP REQUIREMENT.

OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY INTERPRETED THE STATE CODE TO SUGGEST THAT THIS CANNOT BE A REQUIREMENT.

I HAD SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME ON THE PHONE WITH, UH, MS. JESSICA SILVA, THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF CHILDCARE, HEALTH AND SAFETY, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

MS. SILVA IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS CODE AND, UH, FELT THAT OUR, UH, ATTORNEY HAD MISUNDERSTOOD IT.

HOWEVER, I ASKED HER, RATHER THAN GETTING INTO A DEBATE OR AN ARGUMENT ON THAT OR A PROLONGED DISCUSSION, WHAT WOULD HER RECOMMENDATION BE IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING, UH, ISSUES, UH, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY SEEK IN AN SUP? SHE STATED THAT FOUR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ENACTED A REGISTRATION PROCESS TIED TO THE LICENSING STEP AS A MEANS TO ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE CONTROLS ARE IN PLACE.

AND OUR FOLKS, CITY COUNCIL, HAVING BEEN THE MOST RECENT, OUR CURRENT REGISTRATION PROCESS, UH, GIVES ME HEARTBURN.

UH, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS BACKGROUND CHECKS OF THE APPLICANT.

IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH BACKGROUND CHECKS OF ANY OTHER ADULTS WHO MAY BE IN THE BUILDING OR IN THE RESIDENCE.

IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH ANY, WHETHER THERE'S WEAPONS IN THE HOME AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SAFELY SECURED.

THERE'S, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS EMERGENCY PLANNING OR RECORD KEEPING.

THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT MS. SILVA SUGGESTED FALL UNDER A REGISTRATION PROCESS.

SHE HAS REACHED OUT AND, AND COMMITTED HER STAFF TO WORK WITH YORK COUNTY, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER UP ON, ON THAT, UH, PROCESS.

SHE SAYS SHE'S DONE IT THREE, FOUR TIMES NOW.

SO SHE'S PRETTY EXPERIENCED.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION I WOULD MAKE, THAT WE FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

UM, ADVICE FROM MS. SILVA TO, UM, TO, UH, PUT IN PLACE A REGISTRATION PROCESS THAT ENSURES THE QUALITY.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M ABOUT.

IT'S HOW DO I ENSURE THE QUALITY OF THESE DAYCARES? HOW DO I ENSURE THAT I DON'T GET MYSELF INTO AN, AN ISSUE WHERE I'M GOING TO HAVE, UH, LESS THAN ACCEPTABLE PROCESS IN PLACE AT A DAYCARE.

AND I THINK FOR ME, THAT IS AT THE HEART OF WHY I WAS AFTER AN SUP.

BUT THIS, THIS DOES IT FOR ME.

IF WE CAN DO THAT AND AND COMMIT TO COMING BACK WITH, UH, WITH THAT PROCESS AND REVIEWING IT TO THE BOARD,

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SO AS HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, LONG HAUL WORK OVER MULTIPLE YEARS, GET TO THIS POINT, UM, WE'RE REALLY IMPRESSED AND PLEASED WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE MOST RECENT COMMITTEE.

'CAUSE IT SHOWS A GREAT COLLABORATION BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, SUCH MATTER, EXPERT STAFF GETTING TOGETHER TO WORK ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A CHALLENGING TASK HERE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT AND, AND I KNOW I, I TALKED TO MR. DAVIDSON AND THEY WERE THE FIRST SESSION I THINK WERE, Y'ALL WERE AT IT FOR FIVE HOURS TOGETHER, .

I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG TIME COMMITMENT FOR FOLKS IN, IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND THEN SOME CHALLENGES TO THE LAST MINUTE TO GET TOGETHER AND, AND FURTHER REFINEMENT.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IN HERE.

YOU KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED IS BETTER THAN WHAT IS ON THE BOOKS TODAY.

IT OPENS UP OPPORTUNITIES THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

IT, UH, IT HELPS BRING SOME MORE PROTECTION TO THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD BALANCE.

THE ONLY THING THAT I'M HAVING TROUBLE DIGESTING RIGHT NOW IS THE LIMITATION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE CUSTOMER CONTACT TO FIVE PER DAY.

THE ONE PER HOUR MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WE'VE ENACTED THAT ELSEWHERE.

THAT SEEMS TO WORK WELL.

THE FIVE PER DAY AND, AND NO CUSTOMER CONTACT ON SUNDAY.

I, I GO TO THINK ABOUT, UH, THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON YARD SALES.

SOMEBODY CAN HAVE A YARD SALE AND THERE ARE DOZENS, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP THROUGH THE COURSE OF A DAY TO YARD SALE.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT IF, IF YOU WANNA SEE SIX PEOPLE IN THE COURSE OF EIGHT HOUR DAY ACCORDING TO THIS, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OKAY.

AND THEN I THINK ABOUT DOCTORS AND, AND DENTISTS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ONE O'CLOCK THE AFTERNOON.

YOU CALL YOUR DOCTOR UP AND SAY, I NEED TO SEE YOU.

I GOT A PROBLEM.

I'M, I'M SORRY, I'VE ALREADY SEEN MY MY FIVE CON MY FINE CONS TODAY.

I I CAN'T SEE YOU TILL TOMORROW.

OR IT'S SUNDAY.

I'M SORRY.

YOU GOTTA WAIT TILL MONDAY.

I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU THEN.

UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I THINK.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.

WE DON'T HAVE STAFF THAT'S GONNA GO OUT THERE AND TRACK ALL THESE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.

GO, DID YOU SEE FIVE? DID YOU SEE SIX? DID YOU SEE 40? SEE THREE, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT, UM, MANAGEABLE, NOT, NOT ENFORCEABLE.

UM, I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT FIVE PER DAY STRUCK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLEASURE OF THE REST OF THE BOARD IS.

I'M WITH YOU.

OH, I DISAGREE.

WHY DO YOU DISAGREE? BECAUSE THAT MATCHES THE TYPICAL TRAFFIC LOAD INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND WE WANT TO KEEP THIS INVISIBLE.

WE NEED TO MATCH WHAT TRAFFIC STUDIES SAY THE NUMBER OF CLIENT OR THE NUMBER OF, UH, TRIPS ARE PER DAY FOR A REGULAR HOME.

AND IF WE'RE, AND IF WE'RE DOUBLING OR TRIPLING THAT NUMBER, THEN WE'RE NO LONGER INVISIBLE.

BUT WE'RE NOT TROUBLE DOUBLE TRIPLING IT FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

SO YOU WANT SIX OR FIVE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING 12 OR 16, I, I'M COMPLETELY OFF BOARD.

AS I SAY, I WANT TO, I WANNA KEEP ONE PER HOUR BECAUSE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY YOU SEE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, THAT THAT COVERS TWO HOURS.

'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME.

SO IF YOU DO ONE PER HOUR, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 12 PER DAY.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIX A DAY OR WHATEVER.

LET, I THINK THE ONE PER HOUR IS THE RIGHT GOVERNOR ON THAT.

NOT THE LIMIT OF, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU SEE IN A COURSE OF A DAY BY FIVE.

I THINK.

I THINK THE ONE PER HOUR IS THE LIMITED FACTOR THERE.

WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE QUITE, QUITE A LOT.

I MEAN, THE ONE PER HOUR THAT WOULD BE EIGHT TO EIGHT.

SO THAT'S 12 A DAY POSSIBLE.

WORST CASE SCENARIO, 12 A DAY, SIX DAYS A WEEK.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S 24 TRIPS COMING IN AND OUT A DAY.

HAPPENS AT A NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, HOME, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A BIBLE STUDY, HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM A HOME-BASED BUSINESS WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S COMING TO BUY TUPPERWARE, WHICH I JUST, I DIDN'T, I JUST LEARNED THAT TUPPERWARE IS NO LONGER AROUND, BUT YEAH, I WAS, I WAS SAD TO HEAR ABOUT THAT.

WHAT THE STANDARD IS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT STANDARD.

BUT THAT'S NOT, I COULD DRIVE BY YOUR HOUSE 24 TIMES TOMORROW AND YOU WOULD NEVER NOTICE IT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU COULD DRIVE BY MY HOUSE 24 TIMES BEFORE, I WOULD NEVER NOTICE AVERAGE.

THE AVERAGE WAS HOW MUCH IN THE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS ABOUT 10 TRIPS PER DAY.

10 TRIPS PER DAY.

WHICH IS WHY THEY CAME UP WITH THE FIVE CUSTOMER CLIENTS.

AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THE STRUGGLE IS THE SAME ONE THAT BOTH COMMITTEES HAD HAD QUESTIONS AND AND CONCERNS ABOUT THEY, THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH ON IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE THREE PERSON COMMITTEE REALLY CAME TO CONSENSUS ON THIS NUMBER, UM, BASED ON MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE VERY THING THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP.

YOU KNOW, THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH ON HOW BEST TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.

AND, AND TRAFFIC IS A BIG CONCERN FOR MOST NEIGHBORS.

AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT SEE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL, IT'S A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.

SO THEY FELT THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL.

AND, AND, AND MAYBE MY RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE IF, IF WE LEAVE IT NOW AND IF IT'S BECOMING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HEARING FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU KNOW THEY NEED MORE AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD READDRESS AND, YOU KNOW, AS MR. BELLA'S RECOMMENDATION SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KEEP, WE CAN REVISIT THIS OR MR. DREW'S SUGGESTION EVERY YEAR WE COULD COME BACK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO A FLASH VOTE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS WORKING FOR YOU? IS THIS WORKING FOR YOU OR NOT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO USE UP OUR FLASH VOTES, TIM, MY PROMISE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE THAT THAT THAT EVERYONE'S HAVING, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A HOME-BASED BUSINESS AND WHAT

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IT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.

BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU TELL THAT DIFFERENCE? AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT BOTH COMMITTEES STRUGGLED, STRUGGLED WITH THIS GREATLY.

AND THE, THE THREE PERSON COMMITTEE WENT BACK AND FORTH MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE.

AND I THINK THIS WAS THE CONSENSUS THAT THEY CAME WITH WAS THEY FELT FIVE WAS A FAIR NUMBER BETWEEN BOTH, BOTH THE SMALL BUS, SMALL HOME BUS BASE BUSINESS AND THEN ALSO PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORS.

UNDERSTOOD.

NOT EVEN HALF, THAT'S NOT EVEN HALF THE DAY.

YOU GOT ONE CUSTOMER PER HOUR.

THAT'S NOT EVEN HALF A DAY OF THE HAVING THE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE YOUR OFFICE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT.

I MEAN, I, WHAT IS THIS BASED ON A VDOT STANDARD? IS THAT WHAT IT'S BASED ON? IT WAS BASED ON THE, THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC TRIPS THAT A NORMAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE HAS, WHICH IS, IS ABOUT 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

SO THAT MEANS YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE AND COME BACK.

SO THEN, THEN THE KIDS NUMBER SHOULD BE NINE THEN.

I MEAN YOU COULD ROUND DOWN, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE NO, IT'S FIVE DOWN, ROUND IT UP.

WELL, IF YOU ROUND IT UP, MAKE IT TEN NINE.

YOU MEAN THE NUMBER OF, THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS ROUND UP TO NINE? NO.

YEAH, WHATEVER YOU CAN GET, GET IT WITHIN, YOU GOT EIGHT HOURS, RIGHT? YOU GOT EIGHT HOURS.

AND SO WE'RE SAYING, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BUSINESS SPEND IT, BUT YOUR BUSINESS IS ONLY GONNA ALLOW YOU TO HAVE FIVE CUSTOMERS IN THAT EIGHT HOUR PERIOD.

WELL, 12, YOU HAVE 12 HOURS.

SO YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU GOTTA GET FIVE CU YOU HAVE FIVE CUSTOMERS IN 12 HOURS.

UM, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, MR. SHEPHERD OR MR I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THIS IS, THIS IS THE STRUGGLE THAT EVERYONE HAS HAD WITH THIS.

I DON'T SEE A STRUGGLE HERE.

I JUST THINK OF, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT YOU WE'RE KIND OF GETTING THIS DOWN IN THE WEEDS ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IF I HAVE A GARAGE SALE AND I GOT TWO DAYS OF GARAGE SALES ON THE WEEKENDS, OKAY, I'M DOING BUSINESS.

BUT IT ONLY HAPPENS ONCE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND A YEAR.

OH YEAH.

TRY YOU EVER BEEN DOWN TO RUNNING MAN OR KILMAN CREEK OR YOU GOT, YOU GOT ALL BUT, BUT YOUR NEIGHBOR STARTS UP A BUSINESS AND HAS 10, 20 PEOPLE COMING PER DAY EVERY DAY.

YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT GOING ANYWHERE.

THAT'S DIFFERENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

WELL, I CAN, I CAN INCREASE IT FROM FIVE.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT.

SO I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE INPUT, COME BACK TO IT IF WE NEED TO.

AND IF WE'RE HEARING FEEDBACK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT.

THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.

I'M RECOMMENDING WE SUPPORT HIM.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR WORK.

I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB.

I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE MAKING A DECISION.

WE'RE GETTING INPUTS FROM SUPERVISORS TO REPRESENT 17,000 PEOPLE PER YES.

PER, UH, PER, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, OR EXCUSE ME, PER THE DISTRICT.

AND IF WE THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE AND THEY DON'T WANT 20 CARS DO DAY, COMING TO YOUR NEIGHBOS HOUSE, HOW DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE I HAVE GONE OUT AND THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT HE SAID WE'RE REPRESENTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.

WHAT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.

WOULD IT BE A BIG CHANGE TO THIS DOCUMENT TO ADD MORE CUSTOMERS PER DAY AS WE'VE GOTTEN OUT FOR A 12 HOUR PERIOD? IS THIS GONNA BE SOME MONUMENTAL CHANGE? WELL, THIS, THIS, THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UP TO YOU AS THE BOARD.

I MEAN, IT'S, FOR US, IT'S JUST TAKING THE TEXT AND CHANGING IT.

MAY I SAY SOMETHING? YES, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE LIFE CHANGES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SO WITH THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT, BUT KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE STAGNANT.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

AND THE BOARD AT ANY TIME CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THESE REGULATIONS.

THEY'RE ALL LIVING DOCUMENTS, DOCUMENTS EVEN TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE ALL LIVING DOCUMENTS.

ANY OF 'EM CAN BE CHANGED.

SO I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THAT PRETTY MUCH ANY ORDINANCE LEGISLATION SHOULD BE AN ER TO PROCESS.

IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN STONE THEN.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AS MS. NOLE IS SAYING.

SO, UM, I I, I THINK IF, IF NOT NOW, THEN LATER THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

UM, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WHEN WE START US OFF, I DON'T WANT TO BE, I DON'T WANT PERFECT TO BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD AND NOTHING GETS ACCOMPLISHED.

AS GENERAL PATTON SAID, A GOOD PLAN EXECUTED TODAY IS BETTER THAN A PERFECT PLAN EXECUTED TWO DAYS FROM NOW.

SO, UM, WITH THAT I'M GONNA CLOSE DISCUSSION AND I WANNA MOVE TO A VOTE.

SO CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE ON? I WOULD HAVE, WELL, WE HAVE A RECORD.

UM, DO WE HAVE, HAVE, DO WE NEED A MOTION? NO, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION.

NO, I, I DIDN'T HEAR WHO MADE THE MOTION CONTINUATION.

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WHO MADE THE MOTION DO WE? ALRIGHT, WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR LAST TIME.

I THOUGHT WE HAD NEVER GOTTEN INTO DISCUSSION LAST, LAST TIME, SO NO, I DID NOT MOTION RECORD THAT.

I'M SORRY.

A MOTION FOR TELL US THE NUMBER AGAIN AT THIS POINT.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 14 R DASH TWO.

OKAY, SO MOVE.

ALRIGHT, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION.

LET'S HAVE A VOTE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSE ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 14 R DASH TWO TO AMEND THE HOME OCCUPATION REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE TWO, GENERAL REGULATIONS OF CHAPTER 24.1.

ZONING OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE AS AMENDED.

MR. DRURY? YES, MR. SHEPHERD? YES.

TO STICK A FORK IN THIS THING .

CONGRATULATIONS EVERYBODY.

GOOD LORD.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.

LET'S KEEP MOVING ON THIS THING HERE.

WE GOT A CONSENT CALENDAR.

WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

WE HAVE NUMBER SIX, REQUEST FOR REFUND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.

NUMBER SEVEN, STREET ACCEPTANCE.

UH, NUMBER EIGHT, PURCHASE RESOLUTION ON-CALL SANITARY SEWER ENGINEERING SERVICES.

NUMBER NINE, RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR MELINDA DUNLAP FROM ENGINEER SPECIALIST TWO.

I MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALRIGHT, FINISH IT.

I GUESS.

GUESS NOBODY WANTS TO OR ANYTHING TO PULL.

AND WE GOT NUMBER 10, RETIREMENT RECOGNITION FOR PAT RITTER, LIBRARY ASSISTANT.

ANYTHING TO DISCUSS? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION VOTE.

YU, GO AHEAD.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

[11. Application No. UP-1040-24, Surber Development and Consulting, LLC (Grand Oak-Minor Amendment to Special Use Permit): Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-155 to approve an application to modify the conditions of a previously approved Special Use Permit authorizing a senior housing independent living facility at 6306, 6304, and 6302 Old Mooretown Road.]

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WE HAVE SOME NEW BUSINESS HERE.

UM, MRS. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THIS NOW TO SET THE STAGE FOR THIS FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, MR. BUT YOU GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA BRING US UP TO SPEED ON THE LATEST AND GREATEST OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO STEP ASIDE AND LET THE PARTIES GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF GET SOME DETAILS SETTLED AND THEN COME BACK TO US LATER FOR US TO CONSIDER IT.

SO BRIEF US PLEASE ON WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW, AND THEN WE WILL LET THE RIGHT PARTIES GO AND TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS AS THE LATER MEET.

OKAY? YEP.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A MINOR AMENDMENT TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, ORIGINALLY THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED HER REQUEST, UM, TO STRIKE CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT IN THE ORIGINAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

QUICK BACKGROUND, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, YOU READ IT IN YOUR MEMO.

BUT IN 2015, CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT, OUTLAYED THAT EITHER A PATH FROM GRAND OAK, THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH SANTA'S PROPERTY TO THE GETTY OUTPATIENT CENTER OF THE BUS STOP BE ESTABLISHED, OR A BUS STOP FOR WADA BE PLACED ON THEIR ENTRANCE ON OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

THE, UM, REALLY WITH THE MAIN ISSUE WITH UM, THE SENTARA CONDITION RIGHT NOW IS AGAIN, THE DEVELOPERS CONVEYED TO US THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT A PATH ON SENTARA AND GET TO THE GETTY OUTPATIENT CENTER TO THAT BUS STOP.

NOW WADA IS NOT GOING TO BE PROVIDING OLD SERVICE OF OLD MOTOWN.

THEY WROTE US A LETTER CONFIRMING THAT, THAT THAT IS NOT IN THEIR FIVE-YEAR TRANSIT PLAN.

IT'S NOT FORESEEABLE.

INITIALLY THE APPLICANT CONVEYED THAT THEIR ENGINEER MADE ATTEMPTS ON THEIR BEHALF TO REACH OUT TO SENTARA AND WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING AN EASEMENT OR ANY PROGRESS IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

PRIOR, UM, COUNTY STAFF MEET REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT STAFF MEMBERS.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE RESPONSES FROM ANYBODY AT SENTARA.

SO WE PROCEEDED MONDAY.

WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM AMBER PRICE, SHE'S CURRENT PRESIDENT OF SENTARA.

UM, SHE COMMUNICATED WITH THE APPLICANT AND THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SENT TARA'S MAY BE AMENABLE TO POSSIBLY ALLOWING THEM TO ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND WE HAVE A, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO STRIKE CONDITION EIGHT AND TO ADD A NEW CONDITION THIS WOULD REQUIRE, SO THE COUNTY HAS A SIDEWALK THAT'S PROPOSED MM-HMM.

, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

SO IT'S GONNA GO FROM KELTON STATION, RUN DOWN UNDER THE UNDERPASS AND COME TO, I'M TRYING TO GET MY CURSOR RIGHT ABOUT HERE.

WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA CROSS THE STREET A LITTLE BIT WEST OF GRAND OAK AND ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING JAMES CITY COUNTY.

SIDEWALK STAFF PROPOSED, UH, A NEW POTENTIAL CONDITION THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THIS CROSSING, SHIFTED TO THE GRAND OAK PROPERTY.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT THAT CROSS MIDBLOCK CROSSING.

THEY WOULD BUILD A SIDEWALK STUB AND THEN CONNECT TO COUNTY SIDEWALK HERE.

SO THAT WAS ONE POTENTIAL OPTION.

THE APPLICANT DID CONVEY THAT THEY WERE ACCEPTING AND WERE WILLING TO COMPLETE A POTENTIAL NEW CONDITION OF THIS ITEM.

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UM, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSTRUCTED THAT FIRST DEPARTMENT BUILDING AND FOR FUNDING PURPOSES, WHICH YOU'VE READ IN THAT LETTER, THEY PROVIDED YOU, UM, AND THEIR FUNDING SCHEDULE, THEY NEED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

NOW, THE WAY THE CURRENT CONDITION IS WRITTEN, THAT'S CONDITION NUMBER EIGHT.

THAT'S THAT PATH TO SENTARA OR BUS SERVICE BEFORE THEY CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THAT FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING.

THE WALKING PATH OR BUS SERVICE BUS STOP HAS TO BE PROVIDED AND THE WALKING PATH HAS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

THE WALKING PATH IS NOT CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, YESTERDAY THERE WERE TALKS ABOUT SENTARA WAS INDICATED THEY WERE WILLING TO PROVIDE ACCESS, BUT THE PATH HAS NOT BEEN ENGINEERED.

IT HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

SO ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPTION IS MO KEEPING EXISTING CONDITION EIGHT, BUT MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FOR, OKAY, IT DOESN'T CONSTRUCTION AND ENGINEERING AND ISN'T TIED TO THAT FIRST CO BUT A CO FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

SO DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THIS.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND I'M SURE SHE WANTS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, UM, AND KIND OF EXPLAIN HER CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHAT BROUGHT HER TO YOU TONIGHT FOR THIS REQUEST.

UM, JEN, IF JED, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? WELL, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MY UNDERSTANDING, MY TAKEAWAY FROM ALL THIS DISCUSSION IS THERE WAS AN OR CONDITION, THERE'S NO LONGER AN OR CONDITION BECAUSE THE BUS STOP ISN'T GOING THERE.

SO THAT LEAVES YOU WITH SIDEWALK NEEDS TO BE BUILT AS PER THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT FROM 2015, CORRECT? YEAH.

AND THIS IS THE, SO THIS IS WHAT WE GOT YESTERDAY FROM THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER.

AGAIN, TENTATIVE, UM, AGAIN, SENTARA KIND OF GIVING THAT INDICATION OF WE'RE OKAY WITH ACCESS.

AND SO THIS WAS JUST A PROPOSED WE NEED, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ENGINEERED OUT OR ANYTHING, THIS IS SUPER TENTATIVE.

SO IS IS ALRIGHT.

SO IS THE GREEN THE 2015 AGREEMENT? SO AS OF 2015, THE SKETCH PLAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T DISPLAY THE CONNECTION DOWN TO SENTARA BECAUSE WHEN THE CONDITION WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN 2015 MM-HMM.

, UM, YEAH.

AND THIS IS, NOBODY HAD, NOBODY KNEW IF SENTARA WAS GONNA ALLOW THIS.

SO THE SKETCH PLAN DIDN'T DISPLAY LIKE WHERE THE PATH WOULD GO.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN IN, BUT THERE WASN'T REALLY A PROPOSED LAYOUT.

WHAT THE SKETCH PLAN REALLY SHOWED ORIGINALLY WAS IT SHOWED THE APARTMENTS AND IT SHOWED LIKE, UH, LIKE A TENTATIVE, LIKE THE TRAIL ASPHALT TRAIL GOING TO THE PROPERTY LYING HERE, BUT DIDN'T SHOW THAT ACTUAL CONNECTION TO SENTARA.

SO THIS IS REALLY LIKE A FIRST PROPOSED POSSIBILITY.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ENGINEERED, IT'S NOT GRADED.

SO THIS IS INCREDIBLY CONCEPTUAL.

SO, SO FAST FORWARD TO 2024 MM-HMM.

, WE'RE JUST NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE JUST NOW EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF WHETHER OR NOT SENTARA WOULD ALLOW AN EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PATH TO THE OUTPATIENT CENTER.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND AND THE TAKEAWAY IS, UH, MS. AMBER SAYS SHE IS AMENABLE TO THE DISCUSSION BUT HASN'T COMMITTED TO YES OR NO YET.

SO THEY'RE STILL DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER YES.

AND, AND SENTARA YES.

TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T POSSIBLE.

AT THAT POINT THEN WE GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT CHANGES TO ORIGINAL 2015 AGREEMENT IS, IS DOABLE RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DISCUSS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SENTARA IS AGREE AGREEING TO.

THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE, WHAT THE DEVELOPERS COME WITH AND WHAT KIND OF FUELED THIS REQUEST TO YOU ALL IS SHE'S RUNNING INTO THIS DEADLINE.

THE, OR RATHER THE APPLICANT'S RUNNING INTO THIS DEADLINE WITH NEEDING A CO FOR THE FIRST DEPARTMENT BUILDING AND THEY CAN'T GET THAT CO RIGHT NOW.

'CAUSE THE WAY THE CONDITION'S WRITTEN IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS PATH CONSTRUCTED AND USABLE BEFORE THEY CAN GET THAT CO THE WAY THE CONDITION ARE WRITTEN IN 2015.

TODAY.

AND IS 2024 TODAY? MM-HMM.

SO THAT'S NINE YEARS OF TIME THEY'VE HAD TO WORK ON THIS.

WELL THEY DID JUST FINISH THE APARTMENT, THE FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING RECENTLY.

THERE WERE SOME DELAYS IN FUNDING AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, YEAH, BUT THEY DIDN'T START THAT LAST WEEK AND JUST FINISHED IT TODAY, SO.

UM, ALRIGHT.

SO YOU SAID APPLICANT'S HERE.

ANY THOUGHTS YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US? COMMENTS? YES SIR.

FIVE MINUTES? SURE.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PULL UP A SPECIFIC ONE? UH, NO, IT'S OKAY.

GOOD EVENING.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME HERE.

UM, JUST, UH, TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND HERE, UM, SO WE DID, THIS IS A, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS MOSTLY, UH, FUNDED BY THE SALE OF LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

UH, WE, THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T START IN 2000, WELL, I DID GO SPEAK TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE THEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF

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WADA IN 2015.

AND WADA GAVE ME THEIR, SAID THEY WOULD DO IT.

UH, BUT THEY WERE PLANNING TO BRING SERVICE DOWN TO OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T GO TO SENTARA BECAUSE WADA SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE A BUS STOP.

UH, BUT THEN WHEN THEY PUT THEIR TRANSFER STATION IN ON OLD MOTOWN ROAD, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I WASN'T PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD, UH, DID NOT WANT FURTHER BUS SERVICE DOWN OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

SO WATADA VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED AS A, AS A PART OF THEIR TRANSFER STATION INSTALLATION THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE BRINGING BUSES DOWN OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

AND THEY DIDN'T LET US KNOW THAT.

SO WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND NOW WE'RE ABOUT TO FINISH UP PHASE ONE AND WE WENT TO WAT AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE READY TO INSTALL THE BUS STOP.

THEY SAID, SORRY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PROVIDING SERVICE, UH, TO YOUR PROJECT.

IT'S DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE REALLY IN MY MIND, THAT'S THE BEST, THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION HERE, YOU KNOW, IS TO HAVE A BUS STOP.

IT'S A SENIOR PROPERTY.

UM, IT, THE INTENT OF OUR PROJECT IS TO SERVE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY, UH, WITH QUALITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, THE BEST SOLUTION.

AND WHAT WE ALWAYS INTENDED TO DO WAS TO HAVE WATER'S BUS STOP THERE AND WE WERE GONNA BUILD IT AND THEY WERE GONNA SERVE IT.

UH, BUT WHEN THEY PUT THAT TRANSFER STATION IN, THAT OPTION APPARENTLY DISAPPEARED.

SO, UH, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE DID ORIGINALLY HAVE, OR RATHER THE CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM THAT I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH, BALLER ENGINEERING HAD, WERE WITH DON WEST, THE PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UH, WERE PRESIDENT AT SENTARA, WHO IS NO LONGER THERE.

UM, NOW THEY TOLD ME THEY WENT BACK AND TALKED TO MS. PRICE AND, UH, SHE DOESN'T RECALL THAT CONVERSATION.

SO SINCE I'M NOT BALLER OR THEIR EMPLOYEES, AND I ASKED 'EM TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT IT WAS LATE NOTICE 'CAUSE WE JUST HEARD FROM MS. PRICE, UH, YESTERDAY.

AND SHE DID SAY THAT THEY MAY BE AGREEABLE TO ALLOWING US TO CONSTRUCT THIS PATH.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, WE'RE GONNA BE TEARING DOWN A WHOLE LOT OF TREES.

THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT TREES AT THE MEETING THIS EVENING.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL OLD A HUNDRED YEAR PLUS OAK TREE THAT'S AT THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY.

BUT I SPENT $10,000 IN DICKENS, SOLD AN ARBORIST TO SAVE IT, TO CONSTRUCT THIS PATH.

WE'RE GONNA BE TEARING DOWN A WHOLE LOT MORE TREES.

I'LL DO IT IF THAT'S YOUR INSTRUCTION.

WE WILL DO AS WE'RE TOLD, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE TEARING DOWN A GREAT NUMBER OF TREES TO CONSTRUCTED A PATHWAY TO, IN MY MIND, NOWHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUILD THIS PATH AND WE CAN TAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO CENTAIR CIRCLE.

IF THAT'S WHAT YOU INSTRUCT ME TO DO, I'LL GO DO IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BRING IT TO THAT CIRCLE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA WALK UP THAT HILL TO THE BUS STOP.

I, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SEEN, THESE ARE OLDER FOLKS IN MY MIND.

UH, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO WHAT YOU TELL, TELL US TO DO.

BUT IN MY MIND, THE, THE, THE PLAN THAT THE STAFF OFFERED AS AN ALTERNATIVE IS BETTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK OUT EVERY UNIT IN OUR, EVERY UNIT IN OUR THREE PHASE DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, TYPE A 5 0 4 ACCESSIBLE AND UNIVERSALLY DESIGNED WITH ELEVATORS.

EVERY WALKWAY ON OUR PROPERTY IS A DA AND 5 0 4 ACCESSIBLE.

SOMEONE CAN COME FROM THEIR THIRD STORE, STORE, APARTMENT DOWN THE ELEVATOR ONTO ANY ONE OF THE ACCESSIBLE PATHWAYS COME TO.

THEY COULD COME TO THE, TO OLD MOTOWN ROAD AND THEN TAKE A A RIGHT DOWN YORK COUNTY'S PLAN PLAN SIDEWALK, A PART OF WHICH WE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTING OR CROSS THE STREET ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE CROSSWALK THAT WE'RE VOLUNTEERED VOLUNTEERING TO CONSTRUCT WITH PUSH BUTTONS TO CONNECT TO THE JAMES CITY COUNTY SIDEWALK SYSTEM AND THEN GET THEMSELVES TO THE TRANSFER STATION THAT ADE'S BUILDING AND THEN HAVE ACCESS TO NOT JUST ONE BUS STOP, BUT ALL THE BUS LINES.

WHERE IN THAT PICTURE WAS THE BUS STOP ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR AT THE ENTRANCE? UH, ENTRANCE THERE.

YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE, SIR.

HOW WOULD THEY GET TO THE BUS STOP? WELL, WELL THERE'S IN, IN THIS, IN THE PREVIOUS DRAWING, THEY'RE WALKING THROUGH THE WOODS AND UP, UP THAT HILL AT SENTARA CIRCLE TO ONE STOP.

SO I WANT IT THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT IN THE OTHER PICTURE.

THE SIDEWALK GOES DOWN TO THE LEFT TO OUR SIDEWALK.

WE ALREADY, WE EITHER WAY, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA WALK TO THE FACILITY OR WALK TO THAT BUS STOP, THEY STILL GOTTA FOLLOW THE SAME PATH, RIGHT? NO SIR.

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OKAY? AND TO DO THAT, WE GET TEAR OUT THAT WHOLE FOREST, LIKE THAT WHOLE SECTION OF TREES, ALL RIGHT? OR THEY CAN WALK ON AN A DA ACCESSIBLE PATH, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY BUILDING TO THIS POINT, AND THEN COME ACROSS UP.

THAT'S AN ACCESSIBLE PATH TO NOWHERE.

BOTH ARE, WHEN YOU GET ACROSS THE ROAD AND YOU FOLLOW JC SIDEWALK, WHERE DOES IT TAKE YOU? IT TAKES YOU TO THE END OF OLD MOTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS A DEAD END.

YOU TURN ONTO HORNER LANE.

THERE IS NO SIDEWALK ON HORNER LANE.

YOU'RE CROSSING A MAJOR INTERSECTION, MOTOWN ROAD, RIGHT NEXT TO THE I 99.

1 99 INTERPASS.

YOU'VE GOT LESS THAN 130 YARDS BETWEEN THAT INTERPASS OVERPASS AND, AND THE CROSSWALK LOCATION.

YOU'VE GOT A DISASTER OF A PLAN.

THIS IS NOT A VIABLE PLAN.

IF YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, I'D REJECT IT.

WE NEED TO FIND AN ALTERNATE.

THIS, THIS ISN'T OUR PLAN.

THIS IS THE STAFF.

THE STAFF BROUGHT THIS PLAN TO US AS AN ALTERNATIVE IN CAITLIN.

I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT.

UH, YEAH, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.

UM, AS PART OF THE TRANSFER STATION APPROVED SITE PLAN, UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK ON HORNER, UM, THAT'S GONNA CONNECT TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

SO THERE'S GONNA BE THAT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE JAMES CITY SIDEWALK AND HORNER.

AND WHEN IS THAT? THERE'S BEEN NO ACTIVITY ON THE TRANSFER STATION.

WE'RE TALKING PROB PROBABLY THREE, FOUR MORE YEARS.

MEANWHILE, YOU'VE GOT APARTMENTS THAT ARE OPENING UP.

DEPENDS ON WHEN THEY CONSTRUCT, UM, WHEN WADDOCK DOES CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

BUT THEY DO HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN, SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT SOON.

BUT THERE'S NO PLAN IN PLACE YET.

MR. HOARD, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.

I DO.

WE WE SHARE IT TRULY BECAUSE WHY TOLD, TOLD US.

THAT PROMPTED ME TO, TO REACH OUT TO AMBER AND FIND OUT WHAT OTHER SOLUTIONS DO WE HAVE.

BECAUSE THE PLAN OF GOING DOWN OLD MOTORTOWN ROAD AND SEEMINGLY ENDING UP AT A TRANSFER STATION THAT'S THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE ARE RESIDENTS WHO ARE TYPICALLY A DA COMPLIANT, UH, RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS OR, OR WHO WALKERS GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DISTANCE ONE WAY TO A BUS STOP.

NO WAY.

OR WALK THROUGH THE WOODS INTO SENT CIRCLE.

WELL, WE, WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE THAT AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE.

WE CAN'T MAKE SENTARA CIRCLE AN ACCESSIBLE ROUTE, SIR.

IT IS IN OUR PROPERTY.

WE CAN TAKE OUR, WE CAN BRING OUR SIDEWALK THROUGH THE FOREST THERE TO MEET THE SENTARA CIRCLE.

BUT WE CAN'T AMEND SANTA CIRCLE.

IT'S NOT OUR STREET.

IT'S A PRIVATE STREET.

WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS AMBER WAS AMENABLE TO.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN OR CAN'T AT THIS POINT.

NOVEMBER, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT A YEAR TO COMPLETE IT.

AND THAT AMBER WAS AMENABLE TO BRINGING OUR WALK TO CONNECT ASPHALT TO ASPHALT.

WE HAVE A WALKING TRAIL PLANNED, ALSO A PART OF THE SUP.

IT WAS A PROFFERED CONDITION TO CONSTRUCT AN ASPHALT WALKING TRAIL ALL THE WAY AROUND OUR THREE, ALL THREE PHASES.

SO WE WOULD BE EXTENDING THAT ASPHALT WALKING TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS TO MEET THE ASPHALT OF SENTARA CIRCLE, AT WHICH POINT A RESIDENT MIGHT TURN RIGHT AND WALK THEMSELVES UP THAT HILL TO THAT ONE BUS STOP THIS.

NEITHER OF THESE ARE GREAT SOLUTIONS.

I AGREE.

BUT THE BEST SOLUTION, WHICH IS TO HAVE A WA OF BUS STOP THERE IS NOT OBTAINABLE.

I CAN'T COMPEL WAT TO PUT A STOP THERE.

I WISH I COULD.

ALRIGHT, SIR.

AND THE, AND JUST TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE, THIS DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE IS VERY REAL.

UM, SO IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO BACK AND TALK MORE WITH SENTARA, UM, ABOUT BUILDING THAT, CONNECTING OUR ASPHALT WALKING TRAIL TO SENTARA CIRCLE, I WILL VERY HAPPILY TO DO IT.

UH, I WOULD ASK THOUGH, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER PLEASE, UH, TAKING ACTION TONIGHT ON ALLOWING US TO SEE ON THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS COMPLETE NEARLY, AND ALLOWING US TO SEE BEFORE, UH, OUR DEADLINE, UM, AND THEN KEEPING THE RESTRICTION IN PLACE FOR THE SECOND, FOR THE SECOND PHASE.

UH, WHEN'S THE SECOND PHASE COULD BE DONE? WELL, UH, THE VHDA BOND ISSUANCE IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 2ND.

IS THAT THE FIRST PHASE OR THE SECOND PHASE? FOR THE SECOND PHASE? WHEN'S THE SECOND PHASE GONNA BE DONE? AS SOON AS THEY ISSUE THE BONDS, WE CAN CLOSE THE CONSTRUCTION LOAN, UM, AND THE SELL OF THE TAX CREDIT EQUITY AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.

THE SITE IS SITTING THERE PAD READY, READY FOR US TO GO.

THE CONTRACTORS ARE THERE.

SO I WOULD EXPECT US TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION SOMETIME IN

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SO, SO THE ASK IS ALLOW US TO SEE A PHASE ONE CO PHASE ONE WORK ON THIS WHILE YOU'RE DOING PHASE TWO.

THAT'S GONNA TAKE A YEAR WHILE WE WORK ON THIS.

I MEAN, WE'RE $40 MILLION IN, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA WALK AWAY FROM $40 MILLION OF CONSTRUCTION.

IF YOU, IF YOU SEE A PHASE ONE THAT'S A, A SMALL, THAT'S A THIRD OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

CAN I MAKE A, I'M SORRY.

UM, JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, THE, THE ISSUANCE OF THE CEO ISN'T YOUR PREROGATIVE AS THE BOARD.

WHAT COULD BE MODIFIED IS THE LANGUAGE OF THAT EXISTING CONDITION FROM CHANGING IT FROM SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE FIRST DEPARTMENT BUILDING.

YOU COULD CHOOSE TO ADJUST THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY, PRIOR TO THE O CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR SAY A, A SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING, UM, THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE TO MODIFY THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE LIKE ISSUING A CO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT POINT.

BUT FOR ALL IN A YEAR FROM NOW, WE'RE BACK HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT, WELL, CAN WE HOLD OFF TO PHASE THREE? I MEAN, THAT, TO ME, THIS SHOULD'VE OUGHTA BEEN SETTLED BY NOW AND WE SHOULDN'T BE.

WHAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING IS FACTUAL MATTERS.

AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THAT.

WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

HOW DO WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT THEY MAY, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AND THEN HAVE SANTA GO, NO, NO, NO.

WE'RE NOT GONNA AGREE TO THAT.

WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STUCK.

MM-HMM, .

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STUCK.

I'M STUCK TOO.

I UNDERSTAND.

UH, AND WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS? SERIOUSLY? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS? WHAT IF THEY TELL US NO? WHAT IF THEY WANT, IF THEY TELL US NO, THEN I THINK THAT, UM, PLANNING'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER PLAN TO, TO PUT FORTH, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE PAGE NOW IS NOT GONNA WORK IF SENTARA SAYS NO.

SAID, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SERVE BALTIMORE TOWN ROAD.

WE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A SITUATION SIMILAR TO THIS AGAIN.

UM, BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FULFILL THE CONDITION.

THEN, THEN, THEN WE NEED TO CREATE A NEW, A BRAND NEW CONDITION THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD WORK WITHOUT SENTARA ALLOWING THEM ACCESS.

THEY, WE COULD COME BACK.

THEY COULD COME BACK TO YOU IF THIS, THIS REQUEST.

WHAT IS THE TIMING ON THE SIDEWALK? WHAT THE TIMING IS TO KELTON STATION? THAT'S, THAT'S IN OUR, THAT'S A COUNTY PROJECT.

I KNOW WE HAVE IT ENGINEERED OUT.

SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS A BUS STOP AT KELTON STATION.

THERE IS A BUS STOP AT KELTON STATION AND THIS SIDEWALK CONNECTS TO THE FIRST ENTRANCE TO KELTON STATION.

JUST BEYOND THE PUMP STATION IS WHERE THIS SIDEWALK WOULD END MY SIDEWALK.

WHAT TIMING WAS MY QUESTION? WHAT TIMING? UM, WE KIND OF WENT ON HOLD WITH IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WERE CROSSING, THE PROPERTY OWNER DIED AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, HER AFFAIRS IN ORDER AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO HER TWO SONS AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK IT OVER, IT BECAME A BIG MESS.

SO, UM, I, I CAN GO BACK NOW AND, AND RE UM, REHAB THAT CONVERSATION.

IT MAY BE TO THE POINT WHERE I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS ONCE BEFORE.

THE, THE FAM THEY'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY YES THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO USE IF AT THEIR REQUEST, MAYBE IMMINENT DOMAIN SO THEY CAN GET THEIR CHECK AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

SO I I WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN WITH THE, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE OVERSEEING THINGS FOR HER ESTATE.

BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT THAT WON'T BE BUILT ANYTIME SOON.

ANY EVENT IS BUILT.

ARE THESE, ARE THOSE FOLKS COULD BE WALKING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO KELTON STATION AND GET THE BUS THAT'S A QUARTER MILE.

IT'S THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE TO GO TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

BUT EVEN ARE THEY GONNA DO A QUARTER MILE? WELL, THE, THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN SENTARA AND THE APARTMENT BUILDING IS PROBABLY A QUARTER MILE.

BUT WHY, WHY WAS THAT PART OF THE CONDITION IN 2015? I MEAN, THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT.

I MEAN, TO GET TO EITHER THE EXISTING BUS SHELTER AT GETTY OUTPUT.

YES, BUT LET BUS STOP.

WHY, WHY WHAT BOARD SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOT EXTEND WHY DOWN FAR ENOUGH TO THE BUS STOP THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

IT WAS THIS BOARD.

WHAT IT WAS THIS BOARD, IT WAS A PROFFER WHEN THEY APPROVED THE TRANSFER STATION.

JUST A TECHNICAL CORRECTION.

UM, MAYBE WE OR CLARIFICATION IT, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A CONDITION AND THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, IT WAS A STATEMENT WHEN THEY WENT TO YOU FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY THE BOARD AT THE TIME, ARE YOU GONNA SERVE OLD MAR? UM, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS HAD THAT WADA

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BUT I DO WANNA CLARIFY IT'S NOT ACTUAL LANGUAGE IN THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS A CONDITION THAT THEY NOT PROVIDE SERVICE.

I GOT A COUPLE.

YOU GOT SOMETHING? MM-HMM.

UM, SO THE ISSUE IS GETTING THE PEOPLE TO THE BUS STOP.

AND REALLY THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT 2015 CONDITION.

'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A POPULATION WHO ARE UNDERSERVED, THEY NEED ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOW INCOME, SO THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE VEHICLES.

SO STAFF'S ORIGINAL INTENT BEHIND THAT 2015 CONDITION WAS TO GUARANTEE ACCESS TO A BUS IN SOME FORM.

WHETHER THAT BE THE BUS STOP ON SITE OR THE CLOSEST ONE WAS AT SENTARA AND CREATING THAT ACCESS.

SO MY QUESTION, I GUESS WOULD BE FOR YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT THIS PHASE ONE, CAN'T YOU PROVIDE TEMPORARY TRANSPORTATION TO THESE THESE PEOPLE UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED? THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN UNTIL YOU, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY.

A VAN OR THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING.

A DA GOLF CARTS OR SOMETHING TO GET THESE CLIENTS OR THESE, THESE RESIDENTS TO THE BUS STOP INSTEAD OF THEM HAVING TO WALKER THEMSELVES OR WHEELCHAIR THEMSELVES.

IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.

AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE CORE OF THE ISSUE IS BECAUSE THE CONDITION RIGHT NOW IN THE SPECIAL USE KERMIT, IS COMPELS THEM TO INSTALL THIS SIDEWALK BEFORE THEY CAN GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

CAN WE CHANGE THAT IF THEY PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS RESOLVED? WE CAN, WE CAN DO A, UH, A CO CONTINGENT ON THEM PROVIDING THIS TRANSPORTATION UNTIL WE GET THIS RESOLVED AND WE COULD PUT A 90 DAY WINDOW IN TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN IN 90 DAYS TO GET THIS DONE.

AT LEAST WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

I ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION TO SAY SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? OF COURSE.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT.

I'M SAYING SHE'S GOT $40 MILLION TIED UP IN A PROJECT.

TRANSPORTATION'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

90 DAYS TO GET THESE PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH TO A BUS STOP.

IT'S NOT THAT EXPENSIVE.

BUT, BUT NEITHER IS PICKING UP A PHONE CALL AND CALL AND SINCE AND GO, CAN WE COME TO TERMS ON THIS? YES OR NO? AND IF YES, THEN WE FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

IF NO, THEN WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN.

AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SENTARA IS GONNA ALLOW THEM TO DO.

WE NEED WE NEED THAT INPUT.

THE, THE SENTARA IS WALKING UP THE HILL.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NOT A GOOD OPTION.

THAT WAS THE OPTION THAT WAS PLANNED IN 2015.

WELL, TIMES HAVE CHANGED.

THE LAND HAS CHANGED.

NO, WADA WAS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE BUS STOP.

THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS TOLD.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT CHANGED.

THIS WAS NEVER A PART OF THE TWO 15.

YES, IT WAS, IT WAS A, OR 2015.

IT WAS AN OR THERE IT WAS AN OR.

IT WAS AN OR.

WELL, THAT WAS THE, OR NOW THE OR WENT AWAY THE MORE THE BUS STOP'S GONE.

SO NOW YOU FALL BACK ON, ON THE ONE, WELL, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA WALK THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.

NOT AT 70 AND 80 YEARS OLD ON WALKERS AND, AND WHEELCHAIRS.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A VIABLE OPTION.

SO WHY ARE WE EVEN LOOKING AT THAT OPTION? WHY WAS IT, WHY WAS IT SETTLED IN 2015? I WASN'T HERE.

I WASN'T, I WASN'T EITHER.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

TO THE GETTY OAK OUTPATIENT CLINIC, UH, IS UNDER A QUARTER MILE.

LESS THAN QUARTER MILE.

SO IT'S STILL A QUARTER MILE UPHILL CLINIC THROUGH THE WOODS.

IT'S IT'S THE GETTY OUTPATIENT.

OH, THE GETTY CLINIC CENTER.

IT'S STILL UPHILL UP A QUARTER OF A MILE.

I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS UPHILL.

NOTHING IN THAT AREA IS, IS UPHILL.

THAT'S OKAY.

SHE SAID IT IS.

I'M JUST, I'M, I'VE NOT BEEN ON THE SITE.

THERE MIGHT BE A SLIGHT INCLINE.

YOU KNOW, THEIR RESIDENTS IN AND TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

WELL, AGAIN, IF I'M 80 YEARS OLD AND I'M WALKING ON A WALKER OR A WHEELCHAIR, EVEN A SLIGHT INCLINE IS NOT VIABLE TO ME.

I'M SAYING THE QUICKEST, EASIEST WAY TO FIX THIS IS HAVE PORT THE PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO GET THEM A CO.

SO THEY, I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'VE GOT CONTRACTS ON THESE PLACES READY TO GO.

WE CHANGE THAT VERBIAGE.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS SETTLED.

AND RIGHT NOW, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR EVEN GOING THE, THE QUARTER OF A MILE NECESSARILY.

I, I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE RIGHT OPTION.

BUT YOU, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T BE VOTING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED IN.

THAT'S BEEN VOTED IN IN 2015.

THAT, THAT, THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR NINE YEARS.

YEAH, I'M SAYING I WOULDN'T EVEN VOTED ON THAT PROBABLY.

WELL, BUT I WASN'T HERE ANYWAY.

THAT'S AN OPTION.

THE OPTION IS THERE PLACE, I'M TRYING TO GET A SOLUTION HERE.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION I SEE.

TO GET THE CLIENTS,

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THEY JUST WANT THE CO THEY WANT CO SO HE WANTS THE CO TO SO HE CAN GET CUSTOMERS CORRECT.

MOVING IN.

THAT THEY PROBABLY ALREADY GOT CONTRACTS WITH.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS DELAYING THE DECISION.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.

WE GET RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A DECISION.

WE GIVE 'EM 60, 90 DAYS.

WE STILL NOT GONNA HAVE A DECISION.

I MEAN, UNLESS SENTARA COMES UP WITH SOMETHING.

AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STUCK AT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO OR NOT DO.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM SHORT TERM FOR THE NEXT 90 DAYS.

WELL, IT'LL GIVE US 90 DAYS TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND IF WE CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT IN 90 DAYS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP PROVIDING THE TRANSPORTATION UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

IT'S NOT ON US, IT'S ON THEM.

THEY'VE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT BETWEEN OUR PLANNING AND, AND THE DEVELOPER.

MR. DREW, DO YOU HAVE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THEN FOR HOW THIS CONDITION SHOULD BE WRITTEN? SINCE AGAIN, WE'D HAVE TO, WE'RE GOING AND I'M WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION TO ALLOW THEM TO OBTAIN A CO RIGHT.

IN THIS PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION AND THEN TIE THIS WALKWAY TO A DIFFERENT PHASE OR, OR, OR THE, THE 90 DAYS.

BUT WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT.

LIKE, LIKE, 'CAUSE A TEMPORARY CO WOULD IS WE ISSUE TEMPORARY CO.

SO WE'D HAVE TO WRITE THAT LANGUAGE.

DID YOU HAVE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE? IT'S CONTINGENT OF PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION.

SHORT TERM, PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION TO WHEREVER THEY GOTTA GO UNTIL A SIDEWALK OPTION IS, UNTIL, UNTIL THE SIDEWALK OPTION HAS BEEN OBTAINED AND APPROVED.

SO THAT COULD BE 30 DAYS, COULD BE 90 DAYS, IT COULD BE 120 DAYS.

IT SOLVES YOUR PROBLEM SHORT TERM.

AND THEN THEY, Y'ALL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THE SIDEWALK DONE.

'CAUSE I NEED THE CO TO CONTINUE JUST A QUESTION.

WE'RE COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.

SO WE, SO WE CAN GET THE PICK UP ON THE MICROPHONE.

UH, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION.

WE'RE OPEN TO MANY SUGGESTIONS.

UH, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IN 90 DAYS SENTARA SAYS NO.

UH, SENTARA DID INDICATE YOU WERE RIGHT, MR. ROY, THAT MS. MS. PRICE SAID THEY MAY BE AMENABLE TO ALLOWING US TO BUILD THAT ASPHALT TRAIL TO MEET THE ASPHALT.

UH, HER HER WORDS WERE STRONGER THAN MAY WHEN I TALKED TO HER.

WELL, WELL THAT'S INTERESTING.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW.

CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT ONE.

BUT YOU WERE RIGHT.

AND, UH, AND SO IMMEDIATELY I CONTACTED, UH, THE CIVIL ENGINEERS AND ASKED THEM WHEN COULD THEY BE AT THE PROPERTY TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

UH, AND I REACHED OUT TO MS. PRICE BY EMAIL AND I, AND ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO BE ON THE PROPERTY.

AND, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER SINCE.

UH, AS I'VE MENTIONED, SHE'S ON VACATION.

SO YES, SIR.

I'M NOT SURPRISED.

UH, BUT WE'LL TAKE US SOME TIME IF THEY DO AGREE TO THE EASEMENT TO GET IT DONE.

THIS, THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT I'M, I'M OPEN TO.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE TEMPORARY TRANSPORTATION TO, UM, TO THAT BUS STOP OR TO A BUS STOP.

UM, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES A DAY POST A SCHEDULE.

IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPACE AT THE PROPERTY.

UM, YOU KNOW, LET FOLKS KNOW THAT AT THIS TIME, THIS TIME, THIS TIME, THERE WILL BE A VIABLE OPTION FOR YOU TO ACHIEVE TRANSPORTATION TO THIS PLACE, THIS BUS STOP.

UM, AND WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CAN'T END UP BUILDING THE WALKING TRAIL TO MEET SENTARA CIRCLE AND WAT IS STILL WON'T COME AND NOW WE ARE STUCK, UM, WITHOUT, YEAH.

MR. CURRY'S APPROACH WAS YOU CONTINUED TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.

WELL THAT IS NOT A VIABLE APPROACH FOR A LOW INCOME PROPERTY GUYS.

IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, THE TWO, IF THEY SAY NO, THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY THE BOARD IN 2015 ARE NOT ACHIEVABLE AND WE CANNOT COMPEL WADA OR SENTARA TO DO SOMETHING.

SO I, I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THAT.

UM, WE, WELL, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A FIX HERE.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND THAT'S A GREAT TEMPORARY FIX.

AND I WOULD ACCEPT THAT FIX PRETTY QUICK.

I AM.

AND THEN SAY, OKAY, YES SIR, LET'S WORK REALLY HARD TO FIND A SOLUTION.

AND IF YOU CAN'T FIND A SOLUTION IN 90 DAYS, WE'LL GIVE ANOTHER EXTENSION.

IF THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA DO TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH PLANNING YORK COUNTY AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD WHEN WE HAVE SOLUTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I KNOW TO DO.

MAY I OFFER A SUGGESTION? UM, SURE.

UM, AND THEN THAT JUST THE PROCESS OF HAVING ALL THAT WORK DONE MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN 90 DAYS POSSIBLY.

SO, OKAY.

JUST, UM, AFTER CONSULTING WITH MY PEERS, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WOULD NEED TO BE ENGINEERED.

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SO YEAH.

ANOTHER OPTION.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU IN THESE INTERVALS.

, UM, WOULD BE TYING.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE LANGUAGE OF THAT CONDITION SHALL BE COMPLETED AND READY FOR USE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATION OF, FOR THE FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING.

YOU COULD OPT TO TIE IT TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING THAT GIVES THEM THE LONGER TIME PERIOD TO ENGINEER, OBTAIN APPROVALS, RECORD EASEMENTS, AND HAVE THAT COMPLETED.

PROVIDED THERE'S TRANSPORTATION FOR PEOPLE IN THE FIRST DEPARTMENT.

SHE'S SAYING SHE'S NOT WILLING TO DO THAT.

OH, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

OH, WELL THEN WHY WOULD YOU NOT JUST GO FOR THE, IT TAKES FOR US TO GET THE ANSWER.

OKAY, TERRY.

IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE ANSWER IS NO, WE CAN'T DO IT FOREVER, I GET THAT.

I I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU DO IT FOREVER.

I'M SAYING LISTEN, WE, WE'VE COME UP WITH TWO OPTIONS THAT HAVE FAILED.

THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS OUT THERE.

YOU AND THE PLANNING TEAM WILL WORK TOGETHER TO FIND ANOTHER OPTION.

AND IT MIGHT TAKE, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOTTA BE DONE IN 90 DAYS, I'M SAYING COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

IT MIGHT TAKE ANOTHER 90 DAYS TO GET AN ENGINEER AND GET THINGS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW, OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR CO AND THEN WE JUST GIVE YOU ANOTHER 90 DAY EXTENSION.

IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES, I WOULD DO 120 DAYS TO GET IT, PUT IT OUT.

IT, IT CAN BE 120.

I DON'T, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, A TEMPORARY SOLUTION HERE.

CAN DOES, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE OBJECTIVE WAS FOR THE TWO? EITHER, EITHER A PATH TO THE MM-HMM.

BUS STOP OR TO SENTARA PROPERTY IN 2015.

WHAT IT, IT WAS I UNDERSTAND GETTING SOMEBODY TO THE BUS STOP.

SO YOU GET ON A BUS, GO SOMEWHERE.

WHY WAS THE WALKING PATH TO THE SENTARA PROPERTY THE ALTERNATIVE? MY UNDERSTANDING WAS BECAUSE STAFF AT THAT TIME LOOKED AT, OKAY, WELL THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING BUS STOP HERE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IN THE CASE OF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR SOME REASON.

WHAT'S THE NEXT CLOSEST BUS STOP THAT THEY COULD GET TO IT? IT'S ON, IT'S ON CERAS PROPERTY THROUGH THAT PATH.

THAT'S MY, AT THAT TIME? YES.

THAT WAS, I BELIEVE SO IS IT, IS IT TODAY? YES.

SO THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE ON CERA PROPERTY TODAY? UH, AT THE YES.

THERE'S A BUS STOP AT THE GETTY CENTER, SIR.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO THAT PATH GETS, GIVES SOMEBODY WALKING ACCESS TO A BUS STOP FROM, FROM THE, FROM THIS HAZARD.

BECAUSE THE OTHER BUS STOP'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SO EITHER WAY THEY GET TO A BUS STOP.

AND IS THAT THE THREE QUARTER MILE OR IS THAT THE QUARTER MILE? THAT'S A QUARTER MILE.

QUARTER MILE.

THAT'S A QUARTER MILE.

AND THE BUS STOP WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT? HALF OF THAT, IF THE BUS STOP WOULD'VE GONE IN, WOULD'VE BEEN HALF OF THAT COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS.

SO, SO WE, ALRIGHT.

SO THE PURPOSE IS TO GET, TO PROVIDE AN ABILITY TO SOMEBODY TO WALK TO A BUS STOP TO GO SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT.

SO, UM, SO THEN, SO THEN THE QUESTION COMES, WE KNOW THE BUS STOP'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

THE SHORT, THE CLOSE BUS STOP'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN WHILE IS ALREADY SAID NOT DOING IT.

SO IF SENTARA SAYS NO, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO RUN A SIDEWALK TO MY PROPERTY, THEN, THEN WE GOTTA, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE? OR WE JUST SAY, SORRY, YOU DON'T GET TO A BUS STOP.

NOW THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IN 2015, THIS IS ALL LAID OUT AND PEOPLE I WOULD IMAGINE PLAN ON BUYING PROPERTY THING, THEY GET TO THE BUS STOP TO GO SOMEWHERE.

AND NOW YOU GOT LIKE, GOT A PHASE FINISHED WHERE PEOPLE WANNA MOVE IN AND GO, OH, BY THE WAY, THE WHOLE BUS STOP THING, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SORRY.

THEY'RE FINE.

WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE FINE.

I CAN'T TELL TO USE THE MICROPHONE.

I CAN'T.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BODY PURCHASE READY TO MOVE IN? NO, SIR.

IT'S, THEY'RE NOT BUYING THE PROPERTY.

IT'S AFFORDABLE.

IT'S RENTAL HOUSING.

THEY'RE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YEAH, THEY'RE NOT BUYING THE, THEY'RE RENTING IT.

IT'S IT'S RENTAL PROPERTY.

YEAH, IT'S IT'S APARTMENTS.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS AND WELL, SENIORS.

YEAH, SENIORS.

BUT ANYWAY, THE, THE, THE, THE BOARD AT THAT TIME DESIRED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO BUS STOPS SO THEY CAN GET A AROUND TO GO TO MEDICAL CARE SHOPPING.

OR WHATNOT.

AND MM-HMM, .

AND IF WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE, OKAY, THAT'S NOT EVEN AN OPTION ANYMORE.

IT, THIS, THIS, THIS IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.

BUT, UM, SO, UH, HOPE SOMEBODY HAS A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH US AND TARA AND MAKES THAT HAPPEN.

MEANWHILE, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, DON'T WE? WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING TONIGHT.

NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO.

DON'T THEY NEED IT? THEY NEED A, NEED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

DON'T THEY NEED A SEAL? THEY DO.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ISSUE A CO.

WE, WE DON'T GIVE A CO ALL WE CAN CAN DO IS DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO SAY, WE'LL, FORGET WHAT WE DECIDED BACK, WHAT THE BOARD DECIDED IN 2015.

AND JUST, JUST

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RUN WITH IT.

I'M NOT SURE.

WELL, WE JUST CHANGED, WE JUST CHANGED THE LANGUAGE.

ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THEM TO GET THE CO A QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO THIS IS AGE RESTRICTED? YES.

IT IS.

UH, AND YOU'VE SOLD NOTHING ON THIS THING OR NOT RENTED ANYTHING ON IT.

IS THERE, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OPTION OF CHANGING IT FROM AN AGE RESTRICTED TO A CARD? NO, IT'S NOT AN OPTION THAT MONEY FOR YOU WANT DO THAT? I CAN'T NO.

IT THE, THE FUNDING YOU CAN'T OKAY.

'CAUSE OF THE FUNDING.

YES, IT'S THE FUNDING.

SO IS THE, IS THE, I I'M JUST TRYING TO, WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT THE GREEN LINE BACK UP, BUT IS THAT LINE THE ONLY LINE YOU CAN PUT OUT THERE? I MEAN, IS THERE NO WAY.

DO YOU, YOU DON'T OWN A PROPERTY TO ANY ROAD, ROAD? YEAH.

UM, I'LL BRING UP THIS.

WHERE WOULD THAT, WHERE WOULD THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T, I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GO FROM TO THAT, TO THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO PICTURES.

I CANNOT PUT THOSE TWO PICTURES IN MY HEAD.

I CAN PUT THESE PICTURES TOGETHER.

I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A IN YOUR PACKET TOO.

YOU DO HAVE THE, UM, LAYOUT OF THE WHOLE SITE.

CAN'T SEE.

I DIDN'T BRING THAT ONE WITH ME, BUT I ALSO, WELL, IT'S KIND OF HERE, BUT, OKAY, SO THIS IS GRAND OAK HERE AND THEIR ENTRANCE.

I I WAS DEPICTING WHERE DO YOU WHERE YOU I DON'T SEE, YOU SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS? NOT YET.

I DON'T SEE IT.

NO, I DON'T SEE IT.

WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S BRAND OAK.

THAT'S GRAND OAKS.

WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S FOUR TOWN ROAD THERE.

SO SHOW ME, SHOW ME THE, THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2015 COMES IN ON THE BACK.

WELL THIS TIME THIS IS THIS.

MAYBE IF I COULD OFFER JUST ONE QUICK PIECE, CAITLYN, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

YEAH, GO.

ABSOLUTELY.

GO AHEAD.

SO I WAS HERE DURING THIS REZONING PROCESS AND I THINK THE INTENTION THAT STAFF HAD, AND PROBABLY WE REALLY DIDN'T CONSIDER IT WELL ENOUGH, IS WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TIED THIS TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

BECAUSE ONCE THOSE NEW RESIDENTS MOVE INTO THAT FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING, THE DEMAND WILL BE THERE FOR WATA TO PROVIDE SERVICE ON OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

SO THEY WOULD USE THE ROAD DOWN IN THE LITTLE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER.

WELL, THIS IS WELL DOWN IN THE LEFT ON THIS PICTURE.

OH, YES, YES, YES.

MORE.

AND, AND THAT WILL BE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT.

IS THAT A ROAD THAT TAKES YOU INTO THIS PROPERTY? YES, SIR.

YOU GO UP, YOU GO UP THE ROAD A LITTLE FURTHER AND THEN YOU WOULD TURN INTO THE APARTMENT AREA.

I MEAN, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS I THINK WE PROBABLY AIRED AS STAFF WHEN WE PROVIDED YOU THAT CONDITION IN 2015 FOR APPROVAL.

SO MY RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT WOULD BE JUST GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE CONDITION TO TIE IT TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

LET THOSE RESIDENTS MOVE INTO THE FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING AND CREATE THAT DEMAND FOR WA TO PROVIDE THE STATION.

AND THEN BY THE TIME SHE IS, MS. SERBER IS READY TO, TO GET A CO FOR THAT SECOND BUILDING.

THAT DEMAND WILL BE THERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

AND WADA CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME DEMAND AT THAT POINT.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET AT IS WE HAVE LOW INCOME SENIORS MOVING INTO SOMEPLACE AND AS CAITLYN SAID, WE, THEY DON'T HAVE CO THEY MORE THAN LIKELY WON'T HAVE CARS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS HELPS GOT ALL, I WOULD SAY JUST GO AHEAD AND AMEND THE CONDITION TO ALLOW IT TO BE BUILT ON THE SECOND APARTMENT RATHER THAN TYING IT AS IT CURRENTLY STATES TO, TO THAT FIRST APARTMENT CODE.

SO JUST GO AHEAD AND TIE IT TO THE SECOND ONE.

THAT'S THE ONLY AMENDMENT CONDITION YOU WOULD NEED TO DO TONIGHT.

AND THEN WHEN SHE GETS TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING, SHE WILL HAVE SOME DEMAND MORE THAN LIKELY FROM THOSE RESIDENTS.

AND, AND SHE WON'T NEED TO COME BACK BECAUSE SHE'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD THE BUS STOP OUT FRONT.

WELL, MR. ROY MAY HAVE SOME DEMAND AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FOLKS THERE MOVING IN DISTRICT ONE GOING, I DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK TO GET ANYWHERE.

YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

WELL, THEY'RE GONNA SUPPLY A TRANSITION AND THAT'S TRUE.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO TIE IN WELL THAT'S THAT WHAT HE JUST RECOMMENDED.

WELL, NO, I, I I, I AGREE WITH MR. DRURY.

IF, IF YOU WANT TO TIE IN A TRANSPORTATION REQUEST, MS. SERVER SAID THAT SHE IS OPEN TO THAT.

SO YOU COULD PUT THAT IN AS AN ADDITION TO THE CONDITION OR JUST YOU COULD ADD IT AS ANOTHER CONDITION THAT YOU PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION UNTIL YOUR BUS STOP OR YOUR SIDEWALK IS BUILT.

AND SHE SEEMED AMENABLE TO THAT.

SO WHAT SIDEWALK TO WHERE WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER ALLOWED WOULD GO, WOULD GO OUT TO OLD MOTOWN ROAD, TOWN ROAD OR IT WOULD GO TO SENTARA THAT IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE NOW.

IT WOULD JUST BE LET'S GET THE, LET'S GET THE RESIDENTS INTO THE FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEST OPTION.

GET THEM IN THE, IN THERE SO THAT SOME DEMAND CAN BE CREATED.

BUS MERCK MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT ON THIS PICTURE.

IS SENTARA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT ROAD OR IS THAT, THAT PROPERTY ON, ON THE LEFT.

SENTARA IS OVER HERE.

GOTTA COME DOWN TO MOTOWN ROAD, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS THING, AND I I, I GOT THIS FEELING 10 YEARS AGO, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD WAS, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM.

WHAT'S ALL, WHO'S ON THE OWNS ZONES? ALL AT FOREST OVER THERE? THIS IS ALL SENTARA RIGHT HERE.

THAT GREEN LINE IS PROPERTY.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO PUT A SIDEWALK ACROSS THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR HOSPITAL AT SOME POINT.

AND, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A SIDEWALK IN THE MIDDLE OF A PLAN THAT THEY GOTTA WORK AROUND.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE NOT GOING, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT.

AND I'M SURE YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD THAT ALREADY.

SO THE, THERE'S

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OKAY? THIS WAS NOT AN ISSUE CAME UP, IT WAS GONNA BE NO.

THE THE FACT WAS WHAT WE WERE DRIVING FOR WAS TO MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU MOVED IN, YOU HAD THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE BECAUSE THE NO, BECAUSE 10 YEARS AGO THAT WAS KIND OF THE ISSUE.

YOU WERE, YOU WERE AFRAID TO BUILD STUFF AND THEN NOT HAVE, UH, THE BUSINESS COMPONENT AND ALL THAT.

THE OTHER PART TOO, 10 YEARS AGO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.

WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS.

SO WE WE'RE GETTING SIDEWALKS OUTTA THE BUILDER.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.

SO THIS IS, I RIGHT NOW YOU GOTTA, WE GOT A MESS BECAUSE YOU DON'T OWN A PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO ACROSS THAT PROPERTY.

I JUST, I JUST CANNOT SEE CENTIR GIVING YOU ACCESS.

IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE.

IF I WAS A BUILDER DOWN THERE AND OWN THE HOSPITAL, HEY, AIN'T NO WAY YOU'RE COMING ACROSS THERE AND JAMMING UP MY PROPERTY.

SO, UM, YOU NEED A, I I'D SAY FOR TONIGHT, JUST GIVE 'EM THE, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

GO, GO BACK TO, BUT STILL WORK THE PROBLEM.

THE PICTURE, PLEASE.

SO WHERE, HOW DO YOU GET TO MOTOWN ROAD IN THIS PICTURE? IF YOU COULD BUILD A SIDEWALK.

THIS, I KNOW THIS WAS HARD TO SEE, BUT THIS, THIS SHOWS JUST LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT PLACES ON THE GLOBE HERE.

HERE'S WHERE BRANDO GOES.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND SO THE BUS STOP WOULD BE BUILT OUT HERE.

MM-HMM? .

SO OLD MOTOWN ROAD CORNER, THE THE CURRENT WATER TRANSFER STATION YEAH.

WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S NO, THE RESTRICTION THAT WE PUT IN THERE IS THEY CAN'T HAVE BUSES ACCESSING THIS SITE.

IT WAS NOT A RESTRICTION THAT THEY COULD NOT GO UP OLD MORE.

AND WHERE, WHERE WAS THE, WHERE WHERE'S THE BUS STOP THAT WATA SAYS THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO.

NOW WHERE WAS THAT GONNA GO? RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA GO THERE.

SO THAT, THAT WAS THE CONDITION THAT'S BEFORE ALL.

SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO LET THEM GET THEM TO MOTOWN ROAD THAN IF WE CAN'T GET TO SOTER? IF WE BUILD A SIDEWALK TO MOTOWN ROAD, HOW DOES THAT HELP ON MOTOWN ROAD? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MORE? OH, MOTOWN ROAD.

EXCUSE ME.

SO IF THEY HAVE TWO OPTIONS IN YOUR CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW YEAH.

ONE IS TO BUILD A SIDEWALK OUT TO HERE AND PUT A BUS STOP OUT TO HERE.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OUT TO HERE? HERE WHERE? STOP.

YOU'RE RIGHT OUT TO OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

THE OLD ONE.

YOU WANNA GO TO THIS ONE? YEAH.

SO THEY WILL BUILD A BUS STOP HERE ON OLD MOTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH MEET THEY WILL, WHICH WILL MEET, THEY WILL DO THAT.

MEET REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S ONE OPTION.

OR IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEY BUILD THAT SIDEWALK, GO TO THE NEXT, WHY WOULD THAT NOT WORK? SO YOU, WELL, I MEAN THAT'S WHY I THINK IT, THIS IS WHERE I THINK THAT STAFF MESSED UP IN THE CONDITION.

WE PROS TO YOU, WE SHOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS TIED TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING SO THAT DEMAND COULD BE CREATED FOR THE BUS STOP.

BUT YOU DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION, THE ANSWER, THE QUESTION DID COME TO THE, WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS, OLD MOORE TOWN ROAD OR WHATEVER THE, THE, THE, THE ROAD COMING OUT.

DO THEY NOT HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY OR OR AN EASEMENT TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE? THEY DO, THEY DO THEY OWN PROBLEM.

SO THEY CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS HERE BY SIMPLY PUTTING THE SIDEWALK RIGHT OUT TO THAT ROAD.

BUT THERE'S NO BUS.

THEY, THEY, THERE'S NO BUS STOP BECAUSE IT IS, THEY DON'T CONTROL THE BUSES.

I MEAN, YOU LITERALLY DON'T CONTROL THE BUSES.

THEY PUT, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO NOWHERE.

WELL, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE CORNER, IT'D BE GOING NOWHERE UP TO THE OTHER SIDE CONNECTION.

THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE THE SIDEWALK GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE WATER WAS GONNA BUILD.

IF THEY BUILD A SIDEWALK THERE, THE ENTRANCE, I MEAN, BUILD A BUS STOP THERE THAT DOESN'T COMPEL WATER TO COME AND PROVIDE SERVICE THERE.

SO NO.

NO IT DOESN'T.

BUT IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A BUS THERE.

BUT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, REZO STILL HAVE NO WAY TO GET, GET ANYWHERE UNLESS THEY WELL, THEY GOT NOWHERE TO, WE GOTTA GO ANYWHERE RIGHT NOW MR. IS TALKING ABOUT MR. CHAIR.

SO MY, MY SUGGESTION IS, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND, MR. UH, MELANIE HAS AN EXCELLENT POINT.

I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO IT.

SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA COVER THAT FOR ME.

SORRY.

UM, SO WHAT DOES HAVE AN ON DEMAND SERVICE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE MOBILITY CHALLENGED? RIGHT? SO THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE IN HERE WHO ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN WHEELCHAIRS, WALKERS WHO CANNOT WALK THIS MILEAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY CAN CALL WATA.

THEY HAVE TO BE PRE-SCREENED AND ALL, UH, BUT THEY CAN CALL WATA AND MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR A RIDE.

SO, UH, IF, IF THAT'S LARGELY THE CLIENTELE THAT WILL BE LIVING THERE, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, EXPECT WATA SERVICE IN THAT FORM.

UH, SOMETHING I DID BEFORE BRIAN TOOK IT OVER.

SO THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT THERE WITH NO TRANSPORTATION IS MY POINT.

WHO, WHO'S PAYING THE BILL FOR THAT TRANSPORTATION? WELL, IT'S SHARED.

THEY, THEY DO PAY A COST JUST LIKE THEY WOULD PAY IF THEY GOT ON THE BUS.

BRIAN, IF I, I MISSPEAK ON THIS.

LET ME KNOW.

BRIAN'S ON THE WATER BOARD NOW.

THAT WAS,

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BUT THEY PAY A FEE NOW, UH, TO RIDE THE BUS REGARDLESS.

BUT THOSE THAT ARE HANDICAPPED THAT REQUIRE LIKE A VAN TO COME PICK THEM UP, THEY ALSO PAY A FEE.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

I I THINK IT'S IN THE TWO TO $5 RANGE, UH, TO GO TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS TO BE DROPPED OFF FOR SHOPPING, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.

SO THERE IS SOME TRANSPORTATION OPTION THERE FOR THE MOST AFFLICTED THAT WOULD NEED TRANSPORTATION.

MAYBE WE CREATE A RESERVE ACCOUNT.

PUT 50 OR $75,000 IN IT.

AND WOULD YOU USE THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? YEP.

IF I MAY.

I'M SORRY.

YES, PLEASE.

JUST, I KNOW THIS IS A ONGOING DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT IF WE AGREED TO CREATE A RESERVE ACCOUNT AND PUT 50 OR $75,000 IN IT AND PAY THAT FEE FOR THE MOBILITY IMPAIRED FOLKS THAT WE HAVE LIVING THERE.

AND WHEN THEY NEED A RIDE, THEY CALL WADA AND THEY PICK 'EM UP AT THEIR FRONT DOOR.

AND THAT SEEMS LIKE IT FIXES.

WE WANT THE BEST THING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

WE DON'T WANNA BUILD SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE.

I'D RATHER PUT 50 GRAND IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND IT.

I'D RATHER PUT IT IN THE BANK AND HAVE IT SOLELY AND ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PAYING THOSE FEES TO WA HAVE.

SO ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS WALK OUT THEIR FRONT DOOR.

NOT THROUGH THE WOODS AND UP A HILL OR DOWN OVER TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

WE WANT THE BEST THING FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY.

IT IS ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO PROVIDE THE BEST STING FOR OUR FOLKS? AND I MEAN, WE, WE WILL CREATE A RESERVE ACCOUNT AND PUT $50,000 IN IT AND 50 GRAND ON $2 A RIDE.

IT'S GONNA LAST A WHILE.

$50,000 IS A WHOLE LOT LESS, IS A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN HAVING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK TOO.

SO I DON'T REALLY THINK SO THIS IS AN ASPHALT TRAIL.

THE, IF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITION IS NOT A SIDEWALK, IT IS IT ASPHALT SURFACE.

SO WE WOULD BE EXTENDING OUR ASPHALT TRAIL, WHICH IS A FIVE FOOT WIDE ASPHALT TRAIL JUST RIGHT OVER TO THE SENTARA CIRCLE.

BUT AGAIN, WE WILL DO WHAT WE'RE TOLD WELL THAT, THAT'S GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE AFFLICTED , BUT NOT EVERYBODY IN YOUR UNITS ARE GONNA BE AFFLICTED.

I UNDERSTAND IF WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE WATER BOARD, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF YOU'RE A SENIOR AND YOU'RE LOW INCOME UNDER A CERTAIN INCOME, IT, IT'S OKAY IF ITS FAULT WE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE PODIUM BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WATER EVEN HAS A CAPACITY TO CALL TO ARRIVE ON DEMAND AT THAT LOCATION ALL THE TIME.

THEY GOT A WHOLE BIG GEOGRAPHIC AREA TO TAKE CARE OF.

BUT IT'S A POTENTIAL VALVE, IT'S A POTENTIAL SOLUTION.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE, IF WE TAKE THE CO TO THE SECOND YEAR AND THEN REQUIRE SECOND, THE SECOND PHASE AND THEN REQUIRE THEM TO, TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION HOWEVER THEY DO IT, WHETHER THEY PUT IT IN A FEE BASED THING, UM, A BANK ACCOUNT.

BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME PORTABLE TRANSPORTATION UNLESS WADDLE JUST COME UP THERE FOR A FEE TO PICK UP ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GO.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA WORK.

BUT CAN YOU, SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TWO THINGS.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A FEE OR THIS A BANK ACCOUNT FOR THE AFFLICTED PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION TOGETHER OR JUST TRANSPORTATION.

THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE UP TO Y'ALL.

BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

WE, WE CHANGE THE VERBIAGE THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION UNTIL SECOND PHASE IS CO.

SO MS. ANDERSON RECOMMENDED MAKE THIS CONTINGENT UPON PHASE TWO, NOT PHASE ONE.

AND OKAY, YOU ALL ARE GONNA HELP OUT WITH A, AN ACCOUNT TO PAY FOR THE WATER OF TRANSPORTATION FOR ON, FOR THE ON DEMAND TRANSPORTATION.

YES SIR.

TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT PERMANENT SOLUTION OR A RESERVE.

WELL YOU GOT, YOU GOT TO PHASE TILL PHASE TWO.

YOU READY TO GET PHASE TWO OCCUPANCY FIGURE OUT.

WHICH IS OVER.

SO, SO YOU GOT, SO YOU GO TO CARRY THAT, THAT BURDEN UNTIL THEN? YES.

THERE'S NO REASON THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WHEN YOU HAD HAD NINE YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT TO DO THIS.

NOW I, I'LL, SO I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE VERBIAGE HERE REAL QUICK.

SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT OR REVISED AMENDMENT.

I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT IS FRUSTRATING THOUGH THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS NINE YEARS AFTER THE FACT AND BEING PRESSURED TO HAVING TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S $40 MILLION ON THE LINE.

THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE TONIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED THAT WE ARE IN THIS CONDITION NINE YEARS LATER AND NOW WE'RE BEING PRESSURED TO MAKE A DECISION.

SO YOU GUYS CAN GET YOUR, YOUR CO DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA SETTLE THIS, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS TO TO BED HERE REAL QUICK.

AS SOON AS WE GET SOME LANGUAGE WE CAN SPEAK TO AND, AND VOTE ON.

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WELL THE TRANSPORTATION'S GOTTA BE SO THIS WILL NEED, THIS WILL NEED TO BE AN R.

WHERE IS THE RESOLUTION? C'S GONNA READ.

SHE'S GONNA READ IT SOMEWHERE OR WHAT.

I DIDN'T GET THE PACKAGE.

ALRIGHT, MR. SHEPHERD.

HERE YOU GO.

SO NOT STRIKING NUMBER EIGHT.

KEEPING NUMBER EIGHT AS AMENDED WOULD READ AS FOLLOWS, THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE AN ASPHALT OR CONCRETE WALKWAY OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET IN WIDTH BE CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN THE SENIOR HOUSING FACILITY IN THE EXISTING WATER BUS STOP LOCATED IN FRONT OF GETTY OUTPATIENT CENTER ON THE SENTARA WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL MEDICAL CA CENTER CAMPUS.

EVIDENCE OF THE APPLICANT'S AUTHORITY TO CONSTRUCT SAID WALKWAY ACROSS PHASE TWO PORTION SHALL BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THE WALKWAY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED, COMPLETED, AND READY FREEZE AS PART OF THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

B, THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE A WATER BUS STOP TO BE ESTABLISHED AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY ON OLD MOTOWN ROAD WITH SAID STOP AND TRANSIT SERVICE TO BE AVAILABLE CONCURRENTLY WITH THE ISSUE OF IN, OF THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING UNIT, APARTMENT UNIT IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I'M GONNA AMEND THAT TO SECOND APARTMENT PROBABLY BUILDING, I THINK BUILDING PHASE TWO.

BUILDING INSTEAD OF UNIT BECAUSE YEAH, PHASE TWO.

THE BUS STEPS SHALL INCLUDE A TRANSIT SHELTER IN ANY CASE.

THE DEVELOPMENT ENTRANCE SHALL BE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED TO INCLUDE A BUS POLE TURN ALL AROUND AREA AND TRANSIT ARE CAPABLE OF SAFELY ACCOMMODATING A FULL-SIZE WATER TRANSIT VEHICLE AND PASSENGERS FROM THE ISSUANCE OF A SEC OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND A SECOND CONDITION.

SO THIS WOULD BE I GUESS C TO THAT.

THANK YOU FOLKS.

BEAR WITH ME.

SHALL PROVIDE TEMPORARY TRANSPORTATION, PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.

THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TEMPORARY TRANSPORTATION SERVANTS TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND RICHARD, UM, JUST CLARIFICATION, CAN I SAY THEY MUST ESTABLISH A FUND? IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN CONDITION PROVIDE OR SHOULD WE JUST SAY TEMPORARY TRANSPORTATION? PROVIDE.

PROVIDE.

OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT.

PROVIDE, OKAY.

OKAY, I'M GONNA START AGAIN.

APOLOGIES.

THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE ISSUANCE OF A SECOND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

AND I THINK I HAD TWO SECONDS IN THERE.

SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THAT OUT AGAIN ONE MORE TIME? AND YOU READ, YOU WROTE ALL THAT DOWN SO YOU I DID WRITE ALL THAT DOWN.

I'M SORRY FOLKS.

THANK YOU FOR WITH ME WRITING IN THE MARGINS.

I JUST WANTED, SURE.

OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

SO WE ARE CHANGING THE, WE'RE KEEPING CONDITION EIGHT AND INSTEAD OF THE FIRST APARTMENT BUILDING, WE'RE DELAYING THAT CO TO THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

SO THAT GIVES YOU TIME WITH SENTARA.

AND THEN WE'RE ADDING A SECOND PROPOSED CONDITION, WHICH WOULD BE YOU PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE ISSUANCE OF A SECOND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.

BECAUSE BY THIS, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE BY THE TIME THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SH IS, SHOULD BE ISSUED FOR THAT SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE ONE OF THESE, THE SENTARA OR BUS STOP.

SO THEY, SO THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO CONTINUE IT AFTER SERVICE WITH WADA OR THE PATHWAY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

IS THAT PROPOSAL GIVE THEM THE CO FOR THE FIRST YES PART.

THIS ONE IT DOES BECAUSE IT DELAYS THIS, THE COMPLETION OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE YES, IT MAKES IT CONTENTED ON THE, ON THE SECOND.

PLEASE SHOULD GET YOUR CO MR ULTIMATELY NOT LET US THERE.

UM, I'LL BE RIGHT BACK TO YOU AGAIN.

ALSO SET UP, YOU, YOU SHOULD PICK UP THE PHONE CALL TOMORROW AND TRY TO GET THAT SETTLED.

AND YOU HAVE A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION TO WORK ON THAT.

I'VE BEEN TRYING, WELL, DON'T, DON'T COME TO US IN NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR AND GO, BY THE WAY, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THIS OUT YET.

I NEED, I NEED ANOTHER EXTENSION TO PHASE THREE.

IT SAYS PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION.

SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NO FIRM IN WRITING.

THAT'S THE ONLY WELL, AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE YOU HAVE THAT, THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH PLAN, INTEGRATE.

WELL THEN WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND THEN YOU, THEN THEY'LL BRING IT, BRING US SOMETHING THERE.

BUT I DON'T WANNA HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN IN NOVEMBER JUST LIKE WE'D HAVE TONIGHT.

SO I CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION.

THIS SQUISH IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE MICROPHONE.

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ARE YOU, ARE YOU READY TO GO? YOU GOOD? OKAY.

CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS PLEASE? HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

SO ON THE, ON THE, HANG ON, ON THE TRANSPORTATION PART.

ARE YOU GONNA SPECIFY THAT OR LEAVE THAT OPEN-ENDED.

THAT SEEMS OPEN-ENDED TO ME.

ARE WE JUST PROVIDING IT TO A BUS STOP? THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING IS GET 'EM TO A BUS STOP.

SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

NOT LEAVE THAT OPEN-ENDED FOR HER SAKE TO A SERVICE BUS STOP.

TO SERVICE TO A BUS STOP SERVICE BUS STOP, SERVICE BUS STOP.

BUS STOPS ACTUALLY HAS SERVICE TODAY.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SERVICE TO A SERVICE BUS STOP.

AND TO THAT POINT, PROBABLY SPECIFY WHICH ONE? WELL, THERE THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S THREE, RIGHT? THERE'S ONE, THERE'S FOUR.

IF YOU GO TO THE WALMART CENTER, YOU'VE GOT THE TRANSFER CENTER.

WELL THERE, THERE'S ONE AT THE TRANSFER CENTER AND THEN THERE'S ONE AT THE OUTPATIENT CENTER, AND THEN THERE'S ONE AT, UM, RIGHT UP THE ROAD.

SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO THERE? I MEAN, PUT VERBIAGE IN THERE TO GET TO THE NEAREST BUS STOP.

THE NEAREST DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, ANTIQUE CENTER ON LAKEWOOD AND IT'S ONLY A ONE-WAY SERVICE.

OKAY, SO THE NEAREST TWO-WAY SERVICE.

HOW'S THAT? DOES THAT, THAT, THAT GIVES THEM SOME CLARITY, RIGHT? YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE TO A BUS STOP THAT OFFERS TWO-WAY SERVICE.

A TWO-WAY SERVICE.

I GOT IT.

OKAY, SO THE NEAREST TWO-WAY BUS SERVICE WA BUS STOP.

WA BUS STOP.

WA OKAY TO THE, OKAY, PERFECT.

WAS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WA OUT THERE? I DON DUNNO TO THE TRANSFER STATION? JUST, JUST SAY TO THE TRANSFER STATION.

MR. NOLL, CAN YOU TAKE US ENCLO SESSION PLEASE? YES.

IF THAT'S WHAT WORKS FOR Y'ALL.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MO WE HAVE A MOTION.

CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 1 44 R TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIAL USE PERMIT AUTHORIZING A SENIOR HOUSING INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY AT 6 3 0 6 6 3 0 4 AND 6 3 0 2 OLD MOTOWN ROAD.

[CLOSED MEETING]

IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 71 A, ONE OF THE COURT OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

DO Y'ALL READ THIS REST OF THIS AFTER WE GET OUTTA THE CLOSED SESSION? THIS ADJOURNMENT TO THE JOINT SESSION OR READ THAT AFTERWARDS OR NOW? YES, SIR.