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GOOD[Call to Order]
EVENING EVERYBODY.I'D LIKE TO CALL TWO NIGHT'S MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, SO WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 3RD, UM, BOARD SUPERVISORS, UM, WORK SESSION.
UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, REMIND EVERYBODY TO PLEASE, UH, SILENCE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. JURY? PRESENT? MR. RUNN? HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[1. Business Advocate Discussion.]
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED RIGHT OFF WITH OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS A, UH, CONVERSATION REGARDING A BUSINESS ADVOCATE, UM, POSITION IN THE COUNTY.AND I WOULD JUST, UM, BEFORE I HAND OFF TO YOU, MR. BELLAMY, JUST KIND OF, UM, UH, KIND OF LAY IT OUT.
LET'S, LET'S FOCUS OUR CONVERSATION FIRST ON THE PROS AND CONS AND THE NECESSITY OF THE ROLE.
THEN WE CAN GET INTO POTENTIALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW TO FILL THAT WALL.
SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE NEED THEN THAT THE BOARD DECIDES.
WE WANNA GO, HAVE THE NEED, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
SO WITH THAT, MR. BELLAMY, TAKE IT AWAY.
SO, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU MAY RECALL FROM YOUR FEBRUARY RETREAT, UH, YOU TASKED ME WITH A NUMBER OF THINGS TO DO, AND ONE OF THEM WAS TO DO A LITTLE INVESTIGATION ABOUT A BUSINESS ADVOCATE.
SO, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, CHRISTIE OLSON, UH, SARAH WEBB AND SUSAN CASTLE, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS MEMO THAT YOU RECEIVED BACK IN JUNE, UH, TITLED BUSINESS ADVOCACY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROLES, UH, THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST HAD, THE BUSINESS COMPLIANCE OFFICER, WHICH IS IN THE COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, WHICH IS IN SUSAN CASTLE STAFF.
WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR ROLES AND HOW THEY INTERACT AND THEN HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS WELL IN THIS MEMO.
AND THEN, UH, WE TOOK ONE STEP FURTHER AND LOOKED AT WHAT A BUSINESS ADVOCATE MIGHT ADD, UH, TO THAT AND LEFT THAT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING ON THAT AND MS. WEBB AS WELL.
UH, BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE LEFT IT UP TO YOU ALL.
WE MADE NO RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS.
SO THIS IS, UH, YOUR DISCUSSION.
UM, SO I, I GUESS THE, THE ITEM ON THE TABLE IS THIS POSITION, THIS ROLE, THIS NEED FOR A BUSINESS ADVOCATE TO KIND OF BE A BRIDGE BETWEEN A BUSINESS AND ALL THE PROCEEDINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET A BUSINESS SET UP.
SO, MR. JURY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KIND OF GIVE US, UH, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? 'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, CHAMPIONED FOR, SO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS THAT WAS FOR GOING ON 20 YEARS.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS DEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
I HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO WORK WITH YORK COUNTY AND GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND I'VE HEARD THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, EVEN WHEN I WAS IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS.
AND, UM, SO ALONG WITH MY CAMPAIGN, I RAN ON THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT BETTER, THAT WE NEEDED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF, OF GETTING BUSINESSES TO COME TO YORK COUNTY AND KEEPING BUSINESSES IN YORK COUNTY.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT IS THE DIFFICULTY IT IS TO GET THROUGH THE BUREAUCRACY AND THE RED TAPE OF DOING BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY.
SO, UH, I DECIDED TO THROW OUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE A, A BUSINESS ADVOCATE THAT WOULD CHAMPION BUSINESSES WHEN THEY COME TO YORK COUNTY, AND THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHO TO GO TO AND WHY, AND WHERE, UH, WHAT, WHAT I'VE HEARD SO MANY TIMES IS YOU GO TO YORK COUNTY AND THEY SEND YOU TO THIS DEPARTMENT, THEN YOU GOTTA GO TO THIS DEPARTMENT, YOU GOTTA GO OVER HERE, AND YOU GOTTA GO OVER THERE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO STREAMLINE THAT AND MAKE IT BETTER FOR PEOPLE COMING IN TO DO BUSINESS WITH YORK COUNTY.
UH, AND IN DOING SO, I BELIEVE IF WE HIRE, UM, A BUSINESS ADVOCATE THAT BASICALLY TAKES A PERSON'S PERMIT, A BUSINESSES PERMIT.
IF THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS, THEY'RE GONNA COME TO YORK COUNTY AND THEY WANNA BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THEY'VE GOTTA DO JUST LIKE A QDA.
THEY'VE GOTTA DO ASBESTOS ABATEMENT AND THEY'VE GOTTA DO RENOVATIONS, AND THEY'VE GOTTA GET THROUGH THE PARKING AND THE, UH, STORM WATER, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT BUSINESS OWNERS, IF YOU'RE NOT IN THAT BUSINESS, YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND, UM, AND TALKING TO SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE TRIED TO GET THROUGH YORK COUNTY'S, UM, PROCESS, UH, THEY'VE BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE WAY IT'S GONE.
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THIS PERSON, WHAT I VIEW AND WHAT I SEE IS IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND I WANT TO EXPAND MY BUSINESS, OR I WANT TO COME TO YORK COUNTY, I WOULD COME TO THIS PERSON'S OFFICE AND THAT PERSON WOULD WALK THE PROCESS THROUGH WITH THE HELP OF THE BUSINESS OWNER.BUT THEY REALLY WOULD BE THE LEAD ON THE PROCESS ONCE THE BUSINESS OWNER BRINGS THEIR SITE PLAN AND THEIR PARKING AND ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE FROM THEIR DESIGN PEOPLE, THE ARCHITECTS, UM, UH, THE SURVEYORS, ALL THE THINGS THAT BUSINESSES NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO THEN IS BRING, THE BUSINESS OWNER WOULD BRING IT TO THE BUSINESS ADVOCATE, AND THEN THE BUSINESS ADVOCATE KNOWS EXACTLY WHO TO GO TO AND WHERE TO GO AND WHEN TO GO AND HOW TO GO.
AND IT TAKES THE BUSINESS OWNER OUT OF THE PROCESS OTHER THAN BEING A PART OF IT, AND THEY GO TO DO THEIR BUSINESS.
IF IT'S COOKED AND BARBECUE, GO COOK YOUR BARBECUE.
IF IT'S BUILDING WIDGETS, GO BUILD YOUR WIDGETS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT.
YOU'RE NOT ANY GOOD AT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT IN YORK COUNTY.
THAT'S FOR THE FAINT OF HEART, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M PUSHING SO HARD FOR THIS.
I THINK MARK SAID THAT USED TO BE WHAT THEY CALL A OMBUDSMAN, I GUESS, BACK IN THE DAY.
AND, UM, PEOPLE THAT REMEMBER THAT SAID IT WAS A GOOD THING AND THAT IT WORKED.
AND SO I'M NOT REAL SURE WHY WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT.
UM, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE NAME.
I LIKE THE NAME BUSINESS ADVOCATE THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THIS PERSON WOULD DO.
UM, I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN BUSINESS HERE.
I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, WOULD POSSIBLY LIKE TO DO BUSINESS HERE.
AND EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO SAID THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO YORK COUNTY TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S GONNA CHAMPION US GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT US BEING TIED DOWN LIKE A NORM.
WHITTEN WITH Q DADDIES FOR A YEAR, TRYING TO FIGURE THIS PROCESS, PROCESS OUT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING ALL THAT'S ON THE COUNTY BECAUSE HE DID CALL ME.
I CALLED HIM A FEW WEEKS AGO AND HE SAID, NO, IT'S A HOLD UP ON MY END AND NOT THE COUNTY'S END.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHOLE PROCESS WAS HELD UP BY THE COUNTY, BUT, UM, AGAIN, I THINK WITH A PERSON THAT CAN WALK THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS AND KNOW WHO TO GO TO AND WHEN TO GO TO AND HOW TO GO TO, IS GOING TO REALLY HELP, UM, STREAMLINE BUSINESSES DOING BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M BEING A CHAMPION ADVOCATING FOR THIS.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS? EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY JUMP IN.
UM, SO I'VE GONE OUT AND TESTED WITH SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN DISTRICT ONE THAT HAVE OPENED RECENTLY.
UH, I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF, UH,
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING FROM YOUR BUSINESS ASSOCIATES IS WRONG.
I'M JUST NOT GETTING THE SAME.
SO WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN DISTRICT ONE IS THAT THEY'RE REASONABLY HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THROUGH A PERMIT.
UH, I'VE DONE PERSONAL PERMITS, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY FOR, UH, FOR EXPANSIONS I'VE DONE ON MY PROPERTY.
I'VE NOT HAD DIFFICULTY DOING THAT.
UM, SO I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE ISN'T, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.
UM, I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE OVERALL BUSINESS, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH IN THE COUNTY IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, I'M JUST NOT HEARING IT NECESSARILY THAT, THAT THERE'S A, THERE, THAT THERE'S A, A BIG GAP.
UM, IT LEADS ME TO QUESTION, IS THERE A WAY OF DOING THIS ON, FOR INSTANCE, A TEMPORARY BASIS THAT WE COULD APPLY IT FOR A YEAR OR TWO YEAR, SEE WHERE IT TAKES US AND SEE IF WE STILL NEED IT? THAT, THAT'S MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THIS.
UM, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
I JUST HAVEN'T HEARD THE SAME INPUT.
I'VE NOT HEARD WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, AND I'M SURE I'D SORT OF LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE HEARD FROM.
PERHAPS WE COULD TALK WITH THEM AND MAYBE FIND OUT WHAT THEIR ISSUE ACTUALLY IS, AND MAYBE WE COULD STREAMLINE IT TO SUIT THEIR NEEDS WITHOUT HAVING TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO IT.
I'VE OFTEN FOUND OUT THAT IF PEOPLE COME TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE BOARD ACTS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT COSTING MONEY.
IT JUST COSTS TIME AND, AND INVOLVEMENT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A BETTER WAY PERSONALLY TO GO.
I, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S COME TO ME AND COMPLAINED.
YEAH, I WENT OUT TO FOUR AND INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES, RIGHT? I'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO TELL ME HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATE, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'VE GONE TO RIBBON CUTTINGS AND PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME HOW GREAT THE STAFF HAD BEEN TO HELP THEM GET OPEN.
AND SO I'M NOT AWARE OF, OF THE ISSUES, BUT I DON'T HAVE THEM IN MY DISTRICT,
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MS. SHEPHERD.I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR AWAY.
WELL, I, I, UM, I, YOU KNOW, IN IN ITS, IN ITS DESIGN, UH, THE CONCEPT, ANYTHING, IT MAKES BUSINESS EASIER TO DEVELOP IS GONNA BE A GOOD THING.
UM, UH, THE, THE, THAT THE ISSUE, I, I HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES, UH, WITH THAT, THAT THAT ONLY CAN BE ANSWERED I GUESS THROUGH, THROUGH, UM, DEEPER DISCUSSION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, I, WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE POSITION WAS GONNA PAY 150 TO $200,000.
I'M KIND OF CHOKED ON THAT ONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT, OKAY? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, UH, IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THAT POSITION IN MY MIND, AS SOON AS I HEARD THAT, THAT, AND I READ THIS PAPER, WAS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALMOST ENDING UP WITH A, UM, I WOULDN'T CALL IT AN INSPECTOR GENERAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT SHORT CIRCUITS TO ME, THE, THE, THE, THE ABILITY FOR MARK TO RUN HIS, RUN HIS, UH, RUN THE STAFF AS HE SHOULD.
SO I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THAT JUST KIND OF, THAT TO ME IS KIND OF ALMOST A GOLD PLATED LEVEL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THE SECOND PART I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK YOU QUESTION IF PEOPLE REALLY HAVING TROUBLE WITH STAFF ON THESE POSITIONS, THEN ONE WHO IS, WHO'S THE CONTACT, WHAT ARE THEY ASKING? WHAT ARE THEY ASKING TO HAVE DONE? AND THEN, UH, WHY ISN'T IT GETTING DONE? WHY IS IT SO HARD NOW? SO THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, RACIST TO ME, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, COMPLAINS ABOUT THEY CAN'T GET STUFF DONE.
I MEAN, I KNOW BEEN IN THE MILITARY LONG ENOUGH AND, AND EXPERIENCE IN LIFE THAT BUREAUCRACIES CAN GET IN THE WAY VERY EASILY.
AND, UH, AND, AND IF YOU GET ONE PERSON IN THERE THAT'S, UH, WAKES UP IN THE BED, THE WRONG, THE WRONG SIDE OR SOMETHING CAN, CAN LEAVE A REAL NEGATIVE IMPRESSION.
SO I I, I HAVE A, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THERE WITH UNDERSTANDING WHY THE PROCESS IS SO DIFFICULT.
AND THEN THE THIRD, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EVERY SEVEN YEARS, I WOULD SAY MAYBE EIGHT YEARS, WE GET A COMPLAINT.
OKAY? WE REALLY GET A COMPLAINT, A REAL COMPLAINT.
NOW I SAY A REAL COMPLAINT ONLY IS BECAUSE IT'S THE PERSON THAT'S JUMPING UP AND DOWN, UM, HAVING A PROBLEM.
THE, THE PROBLEM THOUGH, INVARIABLY ALWAYS ENDS UP BEING THE INDIVIDUAL TRYING TO SHORT CIRCUIT THE SYSTEM.
AND, AND I MEAN, THEY, THEY GET IN, THEY GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS, THEY GO, OKAY, WELL, I'M GONNA JUMP OVER HERE AND DO THIS.
AND, AND THEN THE, THE STAFF IS KIND OF TRYING TO JUMP AROUND, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT, HOW DO WE GET THIS THING, THIS GENIE BACK IN THE BOX? OKAY? AND OR IN A BOTTLE AFTER, UM, AFTER IT'S BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE GONE SOUTH, GONE SOUTH.
SO YEAH, I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY, YEAH, I'M GONNA GO SUPPORT A, A, A A, A BUSINESS ADVOCATE AT THIS LEVEL THAT WAS DESCRIBED IN THIS PAPER.
I JUST, I, I, I'M HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THAT.
UM, I JUST, THE STAFFS OVER THE DECADES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.
THE, THE BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT I'VE TALKED TO, UM, ARE HAPPY WITH 'EM.
THERE'S OCCASIONAL ONE THAT'S, AGAIN, GETS IN THE SHORT CIRCUITS OF SYSTEM.
SO I, I'M JUST NOT SEEING THE NEED FOR US TO GO SPEND A WHOPPING GREAT SUM OF MONEY ON THIS EFFORT.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.
I CAN BE, I CAN BE CONVINCED TO DO OTHERWISE, BUT I, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO, TO, UM, TO SEE THIS, UH, IS HAPPENING AND WE GOT SOME WAY, WE GOTTA GET MORE, GOTTA GET MORE INFORMATION HERE BEFORE I'M GONNA COMMIT TO, YOU KNOW, SPENDING, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK OVER 10 YEARS AND THEN ALL THE SALARY RELATED COSTS THAT GO WITH IT, EVEN CHRISTMAS, YOU'RE TALKING, UM, CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND, AND THEN, THEN YOU DO THE MATH.
YOU KNOW, DID YOU GET A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF RE RETURN OUT OF IT? UM, FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY SEEING ISSUES WITH THIS BEING A STAFFING ISSUE, BUT I, I, AT LEAST I, I THINK WE ALL CAN ADMIT THAT IF YOU, FOR A NEW BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S NEVER STOOD UP A BUSINESS BEFORE, NOT SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE, OR BIG CORPORATE OFFICES THAT HAVE A TEAM OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO COUNTIES OR SO FORTH, SETTING A BUSINESS, BUT SOMEBODY'S LIKE, I'M READY FOR THAT BRICK AND MORTAR TO ACTUALLY GO ON MY OWN, SET UP A SHOP.
UM, IT, IT IS A DIZZYING ARRAY OF THINGS YOU NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET YOUR SHOP OPEN.
IF YOU'RE STAND UP A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE, YOU, YOU GOT A
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PARKING LOT, YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF YOU.YOU KNOW, YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR BUILD PERMITS IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ANYTHING.
AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE INTERTWINED, AND IT'S REALLY OVERWHELMING FOR THAT ONE PERSON TO UNDERSTAND THE DUCKS.
THEY GOTTA GET LINED UP IN A ROW IN ORDER TO GET IT OPEN.
AND I THINK A LOT OF FRUSTRATION PEOPLE RUN INTO IS THEY'LL DO A THING AND THINK THEY'RE DONE AND THEN FIND OUT, WELL, THERE'S ANOTHER THING AFTER THAT THING.
AND IT, IT JUST, IT GETS VERY FRUSTRATING.
UM, SO AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THIS AS A STAFFING ISSUE WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH STAFF, BUT JUST, UH, JUST PEOPLE KNOWING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THEIR DOORS OPEN.
LIKE YOU SAID, IF THEY, THEY WANNA MAKE WIDGETS, THEY WANNA MAKE WIDGETS NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN A, GET A BUSINESS OPEN.
SO, UM, SO TO ME IT'S A, IT'S A SCOPE THING.
WHERE WHERE DOES THIS ROLE FIT INTO THAT TO HELP THAT BUSINESS, EITHER OWNER, EITHER GET STARTUP INITIALLY, OR THEIR FIRST EXPANSION OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
SO THEY KNOW YOU, YOU WANNA DO X, YOU GOTTA GET A BUILD PERMIT, YOU GOTTA DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS.
AND THEN BOOM, THEY'RE OFF RUNNING, DOING IT, RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO SELF DISCOVERY, SOMEBODY TO, TO KIND OF HOLD THEIR HANDS THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THEY GET THROUGH IT QUICKER.
THE QUICKER THEY GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY SOON THE STORE'S TURNED UP, THE ASSUME THE REVENUE STARTS COMING IN.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING AS YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, YOU DESCRIBED THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO BUY A HOUSE, OKAY, YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT YOUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA ORDER THE PLYWOOD, THE, THE TWO BY FOURS, THE, THE CONCRETE AND ALL THAT.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS PICK OUT THE COLORS.
YOU WANT A PLACE TO LIVE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU TURN IT OVER TO DAY BUILDER AND THE BUILD THE BUILDER GIVES YOU A DESIGN, YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU, YOU PRESS ON, THERE'S THE STAGES LIKE THAT YOU GET THROUGH.
SO IN BUILDING A, BUILDING A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIG THING YOU A LOT OF, AND THIS IS SAD TOO, A LOT OF, A LOT OF BUSINESSES I THINK FAIL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN.
I MEAN, THEY DO, THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN.
THEY BUILD A, IF YOU GET A BUSINESS PLAN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO DO.
AND THAT AIN'T AN EASY THING TO DO.
THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD TAKE YOU MONTHS OR YEARS EVEN TO BUILD YOUR PLAN.
UH, BUT SO ARE WE ASKING THE PERSON TO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BUILDING, WE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTS, THE DECOR, THE, THE SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT.
ARE WE ASKING 'EM TO BUILD A HOUSE? ARE WE ASKING 'EM JUST TO START A BUSINESS? AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WHO, IF I GO TALK TO THE CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACTOR'S GOTTA CONVINCE ME THEY'RE GONNA DO THE JOB.
CAN WE NOT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A BUSINESS? IN OTHER WORDS, COME IN AND HEY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH, WHAT YOU GOTTA DO.
LET THE STAFF, WE DO THIS ABOUT EVERY, I DON'T KNOW, EVERY TWO WEEKS OR HOWEVER, WHATEVER.
AND, UH, AND THEN YOU GOTTA COME IN WITH THIS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL BRING IN ALL THE EXPERTS AND WE JUST TALK.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU.
THIS IS WHY YOU GOTTA DO THIS.
AND YOU CAN MAKE IT A COUPLE DAYS IF YOU HAVE TO, OR THREE DAYS.
AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND WE WILL HAVE PERIODICALLY JUST HAVE COME BACK AND WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS.
BUT THESE ARE THINGS YOU GOTTA DO.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE BIG THINGS, THESE ARE THE LITTLE THINGS, THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS.
THESE ARE MAYBE NOT SO IMPORTANT, BUT KIND OF AN EDUCATION PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT SCOPE FOR THE ROLE.
AND I THINK YOU'RE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR EXAMPLE FITS RIGHT IN, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE IN AND OUTS OF BUILDING HOUSE.
I'M GONNA HIRE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT KNOWS WHO TO THE PLUMBER KNOWS HOW TO GET THE BUILDING PERMITS, KNOWS HOW TO GET THE, THE, THE GUY'S GOING DO, DO MY FRAMING, GONNA TAKE CARE OF MY SHEET ROCK AND BUILDING FINISH IT.
PERMITS, SO THE BIG ONE, RIGHT? BUT THEY, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR KNOWS THAT I'M GONNA OFFLOAD THAT TO THEM SO I CAN FOCUS ON WHAT I WANT THE HOUSE LOOK LIKE.
I'M GONNA SIT DOWN WITH THE ARCHITECT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ANALOGY TO WHAT, AT LEAST I THINK SO.
AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT VISION FOR YOU.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A KIND OF A GOOD FIT.
AND, AND ALSO WALKING AND LET'S WALK BEFORE WE RUN.
SO KIND OF EASE INTO IT THAT WAY.
I, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LIST OF WHAT A CON WHAT A PERSON WHO WANTS TO START A NEW BUSINESS HAS TO FOLLOW IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND IF YOU FOLLOW FROM A TO B2C TO D, AND I'M SURE THAT STAFF, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO FROM B2C, THAT A STAFF MEMBER IN THAT DEPARTMENT WILL, WILL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
UH, I MEAN, I, I'VE SEEN THE LIST OF IF YOU WANT TO OPEN A BUSINESS IN YOUR COUNTY, WE HAVE PAMPHLETS THAT WERE PASSED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ANYMORE.
BUT YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE ONE PROBLEM I'VE SEEN, SEEN PEOPLE MOUTH, BUT WHAT'S TO, WHAT IT IS TOM IS, IS IT'S, IF YOU GONNA OPEN A BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUY-IN.
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S A CONTRACT,
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YOU TAKE CARE OF IT ALL NOW.YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT STEP BY STEP BY STEP.
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S YOUR MONEY THAT'S GETTING INVOLVED IN, IN THIS.
AND IT'S YOUR REPUTATION IF YOU DO NOT OPEN IT UP PROPERLY.
IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE TIMELINE THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.
AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALL, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF STEPS.
I KNOW THAT IT'S COMPLICATED, BUT STEP BY STEP, I DO BELIEVE WE'VE, WE HAVE SO MANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES IN YORK COUNTY THAT HAVE OPENED AND HAVE BEEN APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT THE HELP THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN FROM STAFF THAT I CAN'T, I HAVE A PROBLEM REALIZING THAT THERE IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WENT FROM A TO C INSTEAD OF A TO B2C, AND THEN HAD TO BACKTRACK.
I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I'VE NOT RUN INTO THAT ISSUE.
THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN WAS, IS THAT OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HAVING TROUBLE WITH, UH, IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS THE PERMITS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE PERMITS AND, AND UM, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, THEY, THEY, THEY MAY GET A PERMIT, BUT THEN THEY DO SOMETHING THAT CHANGES, THAT CHANGES THE PER, AND THEN THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T PASS INSPECTION SHIFT.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY CHANGE SOMETHING.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF IT.
I UNDERSTAND THE PERMITTING PROCESS COULD BE A PAIN IN THE, YOU KNOW WHAT, BUT IT'S REQUIRED.
IS IS, IS THAT WHERE YOU ARE HEARING THE, THE MAIN PAIN POINT IS THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS? OR, OR WHERE, I MEAN, I KNOW I, I'VE WORKED WITH SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES AND WHEN THEY NEEDED A HAND WITH STUFF, AND THAT'S WHERE MY EYES START TO GET GLAZED OVER WHEN I START, YOU KNOW, ASKING A QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T KNOW A THING CALLED A LAND DISTURBANCE.
LDA WHAT A STAND FOR, I FORGET.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EXISTED UNTIL I STARTED.
SO I, I'M LEARNING THAT AS I GO TOO.
SO I, I, I'M, SO I PUT MYSELF IN THE SHOES OF THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS AND, AND THEY'RE LEARNING AT THE SAME TIME AS WELL.
AND, AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP SMOOTH THAT ROAD OUT TO A DEGREE, IT, IT'S ALL FOR THE BETTER.
AND I, I'M NOT SAYING WE GOT THINGS BROKEN, JUST SOME KNOWLEDGE SHARING THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET OUT THERE BETTER.
NOW, WHETHER THAT IS A, A PERSON, A DEDICATED PERSON OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE, THERE, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE.
I MEAN, STAFF, THE FEEDBACK I GET TOO IS STAFF IS THEY'RE HELPING.
BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE EVEN WHAT THEY NEED TO EVEN ASK THE QUESTION AND THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY GET HUNG UP.
ONCE THEY FIGURE IT OUT, THEN THEY CALL AND ASK, THEY GET SOME DIRECTION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE DAYS BEFORE THEY GET TO FIGURE OUT, OH, I GOTTA CALL STAFF TO ASK THEM ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS THING.
SO WELL, AGAIN, HOW DO YOU SMOOTH THAT ROAD OUT? IN FAIRNESS, THE BUSINESSES I'VE TALKED TO HAVE GONE INTO LEASED BUILDINGS OR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO YOU'RE NOT THROUGH A CONSTRUCTION STEP.
THAT IS PERHAPS THE DIFFERENCE I'M HEARING HERE.
UM, AND TWO OF THE BIG ONES I'VE, I'VE DEALT WITH HAVE BEEN, THEY, THEY EITHER STAND UP NEW BUILDINGS OR RENOVATE OLD BUILDINGS.
SO WERE, SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS COMPANIES THAT HAVE GONE INTO AVAILABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND BUILT THEIR COMPANIES.
RIGHT? YOU, YOU'RE PROBABLY HITTING ON A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY BUILDING FROM SCRATCH.
AND THAT'S, I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT, I HADN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY WITH THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE.
SO MAYBE THERE'S A, A FOCUS AREA THAT WE NEED TO ZERO IN ON.
UM, AND THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE NEED, WHERE HELP IS NEEDED.
I, I, ALL I KNOW IS I HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE SYSTEM 'CAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GETTING TOLD.
SO, AND IS THIS BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION TYPE ACTIVITY? NO, IT'S NOT AS NECESSARILY BRAND NEW, BUT IT COULD BE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, ALSO, IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT WE HAD THIS POSITION ONCE BEFORE AND WAS WORKING WELL, YET WE DID AWAY WITH IT.
AND WHY WE DID AWAY WITH IT, I'M NOT REAL SURE.
SO IT WAS PART OF, OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND ACTUALLY THE INTEREST WENT MORE TO HOME-BASED BUSINESSES WHEN WE WORKED THIS OUT BEFORE CHAMBER CAME ON THE CHAMBER AND THE CHAMBER.
WELL, AND THAT, AND THAT'S A AND THAT'S A QUESTION TOO, NOT THAT I WANTED TO GET INTO
OR, OR MAYBE SOMEONE THAT IN THE CHAMBER THAT A, A NEW BUSINESS COULD TALK TO IF THEY HAD A QUESTION THAT THEY WANNA COME TO STAFF WITH, BUT THEY COULD TALK TO SOMEONE IN THE BUSINESS.
IS, IS THIS SO THAT HAS EXPERIENCE, IS THIS A INTO DEVELOPMENT? IS THIS KNOWLEDGE THAT
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THEY CAN BUILD INTERNALLY WHERE THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW.AND, AND, AND TAKE THE FOLKS BY THE HAND, BUT, UM, I SEE THE CHAMBER MORE INTO THE BUSINESS PLAN KIND OF THING.
AND THEN THEY GOTTA DEAL WITH THE, THE PERMITTING AND THE INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, WELL I BELONG TO AN LLC THAT, UH, THAT HELPS BUSINESSES ESTABLISH OVERSEAS BRANCHES.
AND, AND IT'S A, A GROUP OF US THAT HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE IN MIDDLE EAST.
UM, SO THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT SET OF SKILLS IN TERMS OF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A BUSINESS PLAN THAT IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL IN MOVING INTO A BRAND NEW COUNTRY.
I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT'S A SITUATION LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TURN AND FIND HELP.
UM, I THINK IF IT'S, UH, SOMEBODY STARTING UP AN ICE CREAM STORE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT LEVEL OF EFFORT.
IT'S GONNA BE WHERE DO I FIND MY MATERIALS FROM AND, AND HOW DO I HIRE STAFF AND WHAT, WHAT BUILDING DO I GO INTO? BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN? IT'S A BUSINESS PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT TOM, THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT TOM MENTIONED.
AND THEN YOU FOLLOW STEP BY STEP WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD.
YOU'VE GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE KEY STEPS IN MOVING FORWARD.
AND THEY'RE OFTEN DIFFERENT COUNTRY TO COUNTRY.
SO, SO WHERE ARE WE AT TONIGHT? I THINK THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD HERE BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED AN ANSWER.
WELL, I MEAN, AS IF, IF, I MEAN, I I, I'M GONNA HAVE ALWAYS HAVE TROUBLE WITH, WITH THE SALARY ONE 50, 200,000.
AND THAT'S IN, IN A MARKET, YOU'RE PULLING THAT PERSON.
I, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S INTER, THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF AN INTERFERENCE WITH THE STAFF OPERATIONS.
WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF, UH, POSITION.
UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I, I CAN SEE SOMEBODY HAVE, HAVING SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN COME TALK TO, UM, THEY BEING WHOEVER'S, WHOEVER KIND OF BUSINESS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THAT THEY CAN, UH, MAYBE JUST, NOT NECESSARILY INTERCEDE, BUT CAN HELP ANSWER THE, GET THE QUESTION ANSWERED.
BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THIS PERSON HAVING ANY AUTHORITY TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO DO ANYTHING.
BUT AGAIN, THEN HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT WHERE WE CAN BRING AFTER EVERY COUPLE WEEKS OR SO, IF NEEDED OR AS NEEDED, JUST BRING THE EXPERTS TOGETHER AND TELL YOU, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA START A BUSINESS IN YOUR COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING YOU GOT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, YOU GOT YOUR ACT TOGETHER, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
AND DO IT IN BITE-SIZED CHUNKS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS PLAN AND BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, THE CHAMBER HAS LUNCHEONS HOW TO DO THINGS AND MAYBE A LUNCHEON ONCE A MONTH OR SO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN NEW BUSINESSES OR EVERY THREE MONTHS, AND THEN BRING IN OUR STAFF TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA OPEN A BUSINESS.
I CAN SEE IF THEY GOT AN IDEA, I, UH, TO BUILD, TO CREATE A BUSINESS PLAN.
IS THAT YOU HAVE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
I MEAN, IT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU JUST, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUST DO IN A DAY OR SO.
OH NO, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF RESEARCH IF YOU DO IT EFFECTIVELY THAT WAY IT'LL KEEP YOUR BUSINESS, YOU'LL MAKE IT WORK GENERALLY.
BUT A BUSINESS PLAN CAUSES A, TAKES A LOT OF WORK.
AND YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN DEDICATE A STAFF TO HELP SOMEBODY DO A BUSINESS PLAN.
BUT 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ORGANIZATIONS, NO, NOT BUSINESS PLAN.
THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE CHAMBER THAT WILL HELP YOU IN THE DETAILS.
IN FACT, THERE'S BOOKS THAT YOU CAN BUY.
THEY'LL HELP YOU GO THROUGH EACH, EACH PHASE OF A BUSINESS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE CHAMBER IN NEWPORT NEWS HAS A GROUP OF RETIRED BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO MENTOR NEW BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WE HAVE 'EM HERE IN OUR CHAMBER STATE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THE BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT, NOT THE FOCUS HERE.
TO ME IT'S FOR THE BRICK AND MORTAR PROCESS OF GETTING A BUILDING UP, IT'S THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF, ALRIGHT, YOU GOT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, YOU GOT YOUR LOAN FROM THE BANK OR WHATEVER.
AND NOW I NEED TO GO AND OPEN A DOOR UP.
WHAT I, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? AND I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IS ANYBODY SITTING THIS TABLE THAT COULD GO AND SUCCESSFULLY NAVIGATE THAT RIGHT NOW? NO STAFF.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE STAFF FOR.
I MAY BE SURPRISED, BANKS LOAN PEOPLE MONEY THAT DON'T HAVE BUSINESS PLANS.
YOU EITHER YOU BORROW 'EM FROM YOUR, YOUR BROTHER AND YOUR MOM AND DAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET THE BUSINESS GOING.
BUT BANKS, THEY'RE GONNA GO, HEY, LET'S SEE.
SO, AND THEN, THEN, THEN THINGS START ROLLING.
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RIGHT? I COULD DO IT BECAUSE I KNOW THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO GO TOWELL, YOU SET UP STUFF IN, IN, UM, YEAH.
BUT, UH, UM, AND, AND THE THING IS THE STAFF STAFF IS THERE TO HELP.
BUT WHICH STAFF DO YOU GO TO IT DEPENDING ON, ON, ON YOUR PROBLEM.
IT COULD BE ONE DEPARTMENT OR ANOTHER.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE DEPARTMENT YOU NEED TO GO TO.
WELL, THE, PERHAPS WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS GO TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WOULD TELL YOU WHICH STAFF MEMBER COULD BEST ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I'D TURN IT AROUND AND ASK, AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, DOES MR. BELLAMY HAVE ANY DIFFERENT IDEAS OR THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE COULD DO? IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A, A BUSINESS PLANNER POSITION? WELL, I, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT SO NOT ONLY MRS. KNOWLES, CORRECT.
UH, ABOUT THE, UH, SENIOR MENTOR.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXECUTIVES FROM THE CORPORATE WORLD THAT OPERATE OUT OF THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND, AND I, I'M SORRY, THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM, I THINK IT'S CALLED SCORE.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WOULD BE, UH, WE HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER IN THE AREA, SBA.
UH, SO THEY ALSO WILL FOSTER PEOPLE THROUGH, UH, THESE KINDS OF PROCESSES, WHETHER IT'S, UH, BUSINESS PLAN, TALKING ABOUT FACILITATING BRICK AND MORTAR, ET CETERA.
SO THERE, THERE'S SOME OTHER PLACES TO DO THAT.
I, I TOOK THE LIBERTY LAST WEEK TO SEND YOU ALL THE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT GUIDE, WHICH IS A PRODUCT THAT THE, UH, COUNTY, UH, PRODUCED TO HELP WITH THESE TYPE ISSUES.
SO THAT IT, IT BASICALLY, MR. ROSE IS KIND OF LIKE THE ANALOG VERSION OF, UH, IF THIS, THEN THAT A BLOW CHART, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
UM, SO IT, IT PROBABLY IS JUST ABOUT DUE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATING.
I BELIEVE BRIAN WOODWARD DID IT LAST, UH, I THINK IT WAS 22 OR 21, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO IT, IT MIGHT BE IN NEED OF A LITTLE UPDATING, BUT THERE ARE SOME TOOLS OUT THERE.
AND CERTAINLY OUR OWN YORK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAS SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT AS WELL.
WELL, ONE THING I THINK WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE COULD EVEN, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO STAFF THIS TONIGHT, WE WOULD NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT THIS PERSON NEEDS TO TACKLE BECAUSE, AND THAT, AND WE'VE STARTED THAT, THAT DISCOVERY, YOU AND I MEETING WITH MR. BELLAMY AND MR. CASTLE AND SOME OTHER FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PAIN POINTS ARE AT.
SO WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT EXPLORATION.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BRING, IF WE EVER, IF WE ACTUALLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DECIDE TO BRING SOMEBODY IN, WE CAN'T JUST PLOP ON THE SEAT AND SAY, GO GET 'EM.
WE NEED TO SAY, HERE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON.
SO I THINK OUR NEXT STEPS IS CONTINUING THAT DISCOVERY PROCESS SO THAT WE, WE GET TO THAT POINT, THIS PERSON CAN BE SUCCESSFUL COMING IN THE DOOR, OTHERWISE WE'RE KIND OF THROWN 'EM TO THE WOLF.
SO, UM, SO I THINK THE DISCUSSION STILL ON THE TABLE, WE STILL GOTTA DO THIS DISCOVERY AND SEE WHAT WE LEARN FROM THAT AND GO FROM THERE.
THOUGHTS? THE BUSINESS PLAN FOR HAVING A BUSINESS PLAN,
IT'S, IT'S THOUGHTFUL PROCESS.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M JUST, SO THE NEXT THING, OKAY, SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON?
[2. Zoning Text Amendments Discussion.]
ALL RIGHT.SO THE NEXT THING IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION FROM LAST MEETING WITH OUR ON THE ZONE ORDERS OF CHANGES.
AND I'LL BRING THE, THE TEAM IS COMING UP TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO AS SOON AS Y'ALL GET SETTLED, GET STRAIGHT, TAKE IT AWAY.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US COME BACK DURING THE WORK SESSION TO, UH, PROCESS THROUGH THIS, THESE HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS.
AND WE CALL 'EM HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE SMALL CHANGES.
THEY DON'T ADD UP TO A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION.
UM, BUT DO GIVE YOU SOME, UH, IT DOES UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.
IT DOES PROVIDE NEW THINGS FOR, UM, UH, FOR USES THAT WE, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IN THE PAST, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, UM, JUST KIND OF, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, OUR, OUR HOPE TONIGHT IS TO, TO GET THROUGH THE ORDINANCE, UM, SHOW YOU THE WHOLE THING, AND THEN TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU.
UM, SO I, I KNOW, I KNOW WE A WE ANSWERED QUESTIONS LAST TIME AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH, BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL IF WE JUST KIND OF SLUG THROUGH IT REAL FAST.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU GUYS ARE FOLLOWING ALONG IN YOUR RESOLUTION, YOU COULD CIRCLE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH IT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE SHOW YOU THE ENTIRE THING.
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JUST TO KINDA RECAP, LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE WERE VERY MINOR CHANGES IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, FEES, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF PAPERS THAT COULD BE TAKEN IN THE COURT RECORDS.AND THEN WE KIND OF JUMPED RIGHT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE HAD SOME NEW ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINITIONS WE BROUGHT TO YOU.
UM, FOR, FOR THINGS THAT WE AS STAFF, WE'VE GOTTEN INQUIRIES ON.
YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD THEM IN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD AT THE LAST MEETING, HOW THEY WERE REALLY WANTING TO HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS GOING FORWARD.
WE KIND OF GOT HUNG UP ON THE WETLANDS DEFINITION.
AND, AND KEN HINKLE IS HERE TONIGHT TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT, UM, LATER ON AS WE GET KIND OF THROUGH THIS, UH, TO GIVE YOU HIS HIS OPINION ABOUT THAT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE AGAIN HAD THAT FILING FEE INFORMATION, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE THE STATED, YOU KNOW, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT RUNS WITH THE LANDS.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT GOT IN THERE BECAUSE WE WANT YOU AS THE BOARD TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO, TO SAY, WELL, EVEN THOUGH IT RUNS WITH THE LAMB, WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF DID.
UM, AND THEN WE ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TABLE THERE.
AND WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS THERE.
ACCESSORY LOTS, EAVES, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, WE TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT WHERE WE, WE TOOK ONE SECTION FROM ONE OTHER SECTION AND PUT IT IN HERE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE READING THE ORDINANCE, THEY SEE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE.
THAT'S WITH THE PARKING LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE WE PUSHED IT OUT A MILE, UM, AND WENT THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE DIDN'T REALLY CONCENTRATE TOO MUCH ON THE PAUSE.
UM, AND THEN WE, WE FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST TO POINT OUT ALL OF THE CHANGES WHERE IT WAS JUST DEPARTMENT NAME CHANGES.
SO WE KNOW THOSE ARE NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT WE WANTED TO PUSH THROUGH.
AND, YOU KNOW, HERE HERE'S A LIST OF ALL THOSE AREAS WHERE WE CHANGED NAMES TO THE, THE MOST CURRENT NAME.
UM, SO WE HAVE A OLD DEPARTMENT NAME, AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS.
SO WE'RE CLEANING UP THE ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE SURE IT, IT, UM, GETS WHERE IT NEEDS.
SO WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEANNIE RIGHT NOW.
AND SHE'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE LAND USE TABLE AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE CHANGES WE HAD PROPOSED FOR THAT.
SO I'M GONNA GO OVER SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES.
AND I WANNA START WITH A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF HOW THE TABLE IS READ.
UH, YOU'LL SEE OUR ZONING DISTRICTS ALONG THE TOP ROW GROUPED BY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
THE LAND USE IS SHOWN IN THE LEFT HAND COLUMN.
IF YOU SEE A P UNDER A ZONING DISTRICT, THAT MEANS THAT USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND S MEANS THE USE IS PERMITTED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SUP FOR SHORT.
IS THAT CURRENT OR PROPOSED? THAT'S CURRENT.
AND, UH, IF THE CELL IS BLANK, THAT MEANS THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
SO NOW I'LL DISCUSS THE PROPOSED CHANGES STARTING WITH CATEGORY ONE.
STAFF PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF BOARDING HOUSES BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY EVER RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION FOR THIS USE.
UH, STAFF BELIEVES THE USE IS OUTDATED IN CATEGORY TWO.
STAFF PROPOSES TO ALLOW FARMER'S MARKETS IN LB AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
SO THAT MEANS THE REST OF THE WORDING AND THE REST OF THIS, THE DOCUMENTS ARE GONNA BE REFLECT THE IT'LL BE GONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY.
AND WE ALSO PROPOSE TO HAVE FARMER'S MARKETS AS, UM, BY SUP AND WCI.
AND CATEGORY FOUR STAFF PROPOSES TO ALLOW MEETING HALLS RECREATIONAL SOCIAL USES OR PRIVATE CLUBS IN RC BY SUP CATEGORY FIVE.
DISCUSSES EDUCATIONAL USES STAFF PROPOSES TO ALLOW YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS BY RIGHT IN THE EO IL AND IG ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT RECREATIONAL HALL MEETING HALLS.
A LOT OF THESE, UH, ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE PUT IN WHAT WE CALL OPEN SPACE.
THEY USED TO BE, UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AROUND A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN YOU COULD PUT, BUT THINGS COULD BE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD STRIP THE TREES IF THEY WANTED TO PLANT SOMETHING ELSE, THEY COULD, UH, PUT, UH, LIKE A CLUBHOUSE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WELL, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS USUALLY WITH LIKE A SUBDIVISION.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME AMENITIES THAT GO WITH IT.
THIS IS MORE OF A PRINCIPAL USE.
SO THIS IS LIKE, OH, PRINCIPAL MOOSE LODGE.
THAT'S, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE'S A PRINCIPAL USE.
SO THE WHOLE TABLE IS PRINCIPAL USE? YES.
THAT, THAT IS A GOOD CLARIFICATION.
ANY USE LISTED HERE IS A PRINCIPAL USE.
THIS IS THE MAIN USE OF THIS, OF THE PROPERTY.
HEY, SO WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE TO YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS,
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UM, FOR CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER COUNTY FACILITIES, WHICH ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.UM, SO STAFF ALSO PROPOSES TO ADD PRIVATE INSTRUCTION TO THE TABLE OF LAND USES AND PERMIT IT IN VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS BY SUP AND BY WRIGHT.
PRIVATE INSTRUCTION WOULD INCLUDE, UH, USES LIKE DANCE CLASS STUDIOS AND MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOLS.
WHY WOULD YOU PUT A SCHOOL, WHY WOULD YOU SAY PUT A SCHOOL IN, IN A, IN A GENERAL INDUSTRIAL AREA? DANCE? THAT DANCE AREA? WELL, YOU MAY NOT USE IT.
I MEAN, WE HAD A, A GUY WHO WANTED TO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO GROOM DOGS AND SO WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO STICK HIM.
BUT HE WAS IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
HE'S A, YOU KNOW, IN LIKE, I THINK HE WAS IN YORK COMMERCE, WORKED ON COMMERCE, YORK TERM COMMERCE CENTER.
KINDA A WASTE OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS, I MEAN, FINE.
AND SO THE SKY COMES, SO YOU COME, YOU LEARN HOW TO GROOM DOGS AND GIVE THEM BATHS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RECOGNIZE THAT USE IN MULTIPLE DISTRICTS.
YEAH, I MEAN A SCHOOL THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO THE COUNTY, JUST DEPENDING WHERE IT GOES.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, EVEN THE FIELD, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YOU'RE MAKING IT BY RIGHT HERE.
WE, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YORK COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THAT.
NO, FOR HE'S TALKING ABOUT YOUR COUNTY SCHOOLS NOW.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR COUNTY SCHOOLS OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE INSTRUCTIONS? WELL, BOTH ACTUALLY.
I GUESS I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF SCHOOLS BECAUSE THERE'S NO DIS THERE'S NO DISTINCTION HERE.
UH, ALWAYS SAY YOU, YOU DO CALL IT A PUBLIC SCHOOL, BUT I'M JUST, I I JUST WONDER WHY WE WOULD DO THAT.
WELL, ECONOMIC, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT LET'S CIRCLE BACK ON THAT.
'CAUSE I GUESS I'M THINKING THE SAME WAY AS YOU.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU ONCE THAT ONCE THAT SPACE GOES TO THE SCHOOL, YOU'LL NEVER PUT ANYTHING INDUSTRIAL ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IT'S THE SCHOOL OR EVEN AROUND IT PROBABLY.
SO, SO, BUT LET'S CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND NEIL, BUT IL AND IG I'M STRUGGLING.
SO ANYWAY, KEEP, KEEP ROLLING AND WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK ON THAT ONE.
SO UNDER CATEGORY SEVEN, STAFF PROPOSES TO ALLOW ANIMAL SHELTERS AND RC AND GB BY SUP.
UH, LIBRARIES ARE PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN RC AND STAFF ADDED THE WORD, UH, CORRECTIONAL TO OTHER FACILITY JUST FOR CLARITY.
ANIMAL SHELTER, THAT HERITAGE YOU DOES NOT INCLUDE VETERINARY HOSPITALS OR NO.
HERITAGE, YOU MEAN SOCIETY, HERITAGE, YOU MEAN? OKAY, SO NO SURGERIES? NO, NO, NO.
VETERINARY, UH, TYPE SERVICES OF ANY KIND.
UNDER CATEGORY NINE, STAFF PROPOSES TO ALLOW INDOOR HEALTH EXERCISE AND FITNESS CENTERS IN NB BY, RIGHT? UH, THIS IS, THE USE IS ALREADY PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN LB AND BECAUSE IT WOULD BE INDOORS, IT'S LESS LIKELY TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO FINALLY, OUTDOOR PAINTBALL, GUN FIRING RANGES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN IL BY SUP.
NV STANDS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS? YES, SIR.
CATEGORY 10, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
I SAW THAT POP UP HERE A WHILE BACK AND I'M KIND OF NEVER REALLY GOT INTO IT.
SO THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLACES THAT WE HAVE.
HOW ABOUT COVENTRY? SO IS THAT GONNA BE, DO WE HAVE TO, SOMEBODY COMES IN, GETS, WANTS TO REZONE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS? OR DO THEY, HOW DO THEY GET A BUSINESS IN THERE? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? BUSINESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO COVENTRY IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ZONING CAME FORWARD TO YOU, YOU APPROVED IT BACK IN THE DAY.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED IN THERE FOR WHAT THEY'RE DEVELOPED AS.
IF SOMEONE WANTED TO REZONE TO ANOTHER USE CATEGORY, THEY HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE.
THEY WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING QUESTION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
YOU'D HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR IT, ALL OF THAT.
UM, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS IS VERY, IS VERY MINOR USE OF THAT.
LIKE DARE MARKET I THINK IS NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.
UM, OR IT MIGHT BE LIMITED BUSINESS.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS.
THERE'S NOT VERY MANY THAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT USUALLY IT'S LIKE WHERE IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, KINDA LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE YORKSHIRE DOWNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT DID IT, DID IT REPLACE SOMETHING OR IS IT UH, NO.
NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS HAS BEEN ON OUR BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.
I JUST KINDA WITH SHADE OF, IT'S LIKE A PURPLE AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS NOT VERY MANY BUSINESSES OUT THERE OR PROPERTIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS ON IT.
SO CATEGORY 10 INCLUDES COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL USES.
UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING QUITE A FEW CHANGES TO THIS CATEGORY, INCLUDING ALLOWING APPLIANCE SALES BY SUP IN THE NB AND LB ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, IF APPROVED AUCTION HOUSES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY, UH, SUP IN IL AND IG CAMERA SHOPS AND ONE OF OUR PHOTO SERVICES WOULD
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BE REMOVED.UH, WE'VE MODERNIZED THE LANGUAGE FOR NUMBER 16 AND 18.
AND, UH, NUMBERS 10 THROUGH 19 ARE SMALL SCALE RETAIL AND STAFF FEELS THEY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BY SUP AND NB.
SO WHERE DO CAMERA SHOPS GO? ONE ONE HOUR.
SO THAT'S A ONE HOUR CON, LIKE A BRICK AND MORTAR TYPE OPERATION? YES.
WHAT IF IT'S A HOME THAT HAS A PHOTOGRAPHER? SO THESE ARE FOR PRINCIPAL USES AND THAT WOULD NOT BE A PRINCIPAL USE.
THAT WOULD BE LISTED UNDER HOME OCCUPATIONS.
SEE THAT'S ONE WE'VE ALWAYS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT THAT'S LIKE THE OLD ONE HOUR PHOTO PULL UP IN IN THE SHOP CENTER.
IT THAT WHAT THAT WAS USUALLY FOR? YES, CORRECT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE OF THOSE IN A WHILE.
SO CONTINUING IN CATEGORY 10, UH, STAFF MODERNIZE THE LANGUAGE FOR TOBACCO STORES BY ADDING VAPES AND ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES.
AND PROPOSES TO NO LONGER ALLOW THEM BY RIGHT.
BECAUSE OF THE SATURATION OF THESE BUSINESSES IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND THE STAFF ALSO PROPOSES TO ALLOW TOY STORES BY SUP AND NB AND CHANGE IT FROM A SPECIAL USE TO BUY RIGHT IN LB IF APPROVED OFFICE EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP AND NB FISH AND SEAFOOD STORES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP IN NB AND LB DEPARTMENT.
VARIETY AND DISCOUNT STORES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN LB BY SUP SECONDHAND USED MERCHANDISE RETAILERS WITHOUT OUTSIDE DISPLAY OR STORAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP IN NB AND STORAGE SHED.
AND UTILITY BUILDING SALES AND DISPLAY WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP IN EO STAFF ALSO PROPOSE ADDING A NEW USE SELF-SERVICE ICE SPENDING UNITS AND ALLOWING THEM BY SUP AND BY RIGHT IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
MOVING ON TO CATEGORY 11, STAFF PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF HOUSEHOLD ITEMS REPAIR AS A PRINCIPAL.
LAND USE STAFF ALSO PROPOSES ALLOWING SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS IN THE NB AND WCI ZONING DISTRICTS BY SUP GROUP HUB RESTAURANTS IN THE LB AND WCI DISTRICT ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, FAST FOOD AND DRIVE-IN RESTAURANTS, UH, BY RIGHT IN EO AND CARRY OUT RESTAURANTS IN WCI BY SUP.
APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD MAKE SMALL ENGINE REPAIR A SPECIAL USE IN EO UH, TOOL HOUSEHOLD EQUIPMENT AND LAWN AND GARDEN EQUIPMENT RENTAL ESTABLISHMENTS BY SUPN LB.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF A WCI, UM, NO, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT IN THERE.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER, UH, ONE OF THE MARINAS DOWN HERE HAD A RESTAURANT THEY WERE PUTTING IN.
AND UH, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PRINCIPAL USE WAS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF THAT WAS A SEPARATE BUSINESS, IN OTHER WORDS ONE BUSINESS FOR THE MARINE OPERATIONS, THE OTHER BUSINESS FOR THE RESTAURANT, HOW WOULD THAT PLAY OUT? SO THE ME THE MAIN USE WOULD BE THE MARINA AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE LIKE AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE MARINA.
THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS ADDING THESE MULTIPLE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE WCI, WE JUST FELT IT WAS GIVING MORE OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE WCI PROPERTIES.
'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF THEM BE REINVIGORATED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE OFFERING THEM THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES WE WOULD IN A, IN OTHERS AREAS, BUT REQUIRING SPECIAL, THEY USE THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, WE WEDDING RESEARCH AND PRIVATE PARTIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE OR JUST RESTAURANT.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
EXCUSE ME, RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW.
DO THEY, THEY IT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY ACCESSORY USE TO THE MARINA AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ACCESSORY USE.
SO CONTINUING IN CATEGORY 11, STAFF PROPOSES REMOVING OUTDATED USES FROM NUMBER 22 TO MAKE IT READ ESTABLISHMENTS PROVIDING PRINTING, MAILING OR SIMILAR BUSINESS SERVICES.
THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ALSO MAKE THE USE PERMISSIBLE BY SUP AND NB.
UM, AND APPROVAL WOULD ALSO ADD A NEW USE, UH, FOOD TRUCK PARKS, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE LB G-B-W-C-I AND EO ZONING DISTRICTS BY SUP.
SO MY ESTEEM COLLEAGUE, MS. CAITLYN ABBOTT WILL TAKE IT FROM HERE.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CATEGORY 12.
THESE ARE OUR MOTOR VEHICLE TRANSPORTATION USES.
WE GOT RID OF A REDUNDANT WORD AND REMOVED RVS.
WE'RE ADDING TWO NEW SUB USES TO FIVE, UM, WINDOW TINTING AND VINYL WRAPPING BY, PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND GB AND THEN EO IN OUR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
NOW, THE REASONING FOR THAT IS WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS HAVE COME IN, PREVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD TO CLASSIFY THEM AS BODY WORK AND, AND TRULY THEY'RE REALLY NOT BODY WORK.
THERE'S FUMES, THERE'S CHEMICALS.
WHEN YOU'RE USUALLY WINDOW TINTING.
YOU USE SOAP AND WATER, YOU SERVICE ONE CAR AT A TIME, YOU'RE ENTIRELY ENDORSED.
WE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS REALLY APPROPRIATE TO, IT'S MUCH LOWER INTENSITY.
SO NOT HAVING TO PUT THEM THROUGH THAT SEP PROCESS.
UM, SIMILARLY VEHICLE DETAILING, NOT AS INTENSE AS A CAR WASH.
SO WE CREATED A NEW USE FOR THAT.
UH, WE DID WRITE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THIS ONE, SO I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE
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ABOUT IT IN A FEW SLIDES.WE ADDED THE WORD REPAIRED A SIX AND SEVEN.
SO FOR NINE WE'RE REMOVING THE WORD BOAT AND REPLACING WITH RECREATION.
UM, OUR DEFINITION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE CLASSIFIES BOATS LIKE CAMPER TRAILERS, ALL THOSE THINGS UNDER THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE TERM, WE FELT THIS WOULD PROVIDE CLARITY.
UM, RV SALES AREN'T PERMITTED IN GB, SO WE'RE CARRYING THAT OVER FOR ALL RVS.
AND THEN MARINE RAILWAY DOES CONTAIN A CLARIFICATION THAT AS IT READS FOR THE LANGUAGE THE PRINCIPAL USE IS MARINE RAILWAY.
THAT ALSO INCLUDES BOAT BUILDING AND REPAIR.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE TRUCK STOP.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY TRUCK STOPS IN THE COUNTY.
WE'VE NEVER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN A PROPOSAL FOR A TRUCK STOP.
WE DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT THERE'S ALSO ISN'T REALLY LAND THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR IT.
AND THEN 18 RV STORAGE FACILITY PRINTING THAT IN WCI BY, RIGHT? THAT'S FOR BOAT STORAGE.
COME BACK TO THE TITLE PLEASE.
UM, IT SAYS AUTO OR LIGHT TRUCK SALES RENTAL SERVICE.
BUT I DON'T SEE THAT LISTED UNDER ANY OF THESE OPTIONS.
SHOULD THERE BE AN EXTRA LINE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS FOR AUTO OR LIGHT TRUCK SALES RENTAL SERVICE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, MR. ROY, UM, WELL, WHERE'S IT ALLOWED? IT'S ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE AND WE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.
I I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE YEAST.
WE'RE ONLY SHOWING THE CHANGE.
IT'S, IT'S FURTHER UP IN THE, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TABLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT AUTO DISPENSING, AUTO REPAIR, GARAGE AUTOBODY WORK, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AUTO LIGHT TRUCK SALES IS WITH, WITH WITHOUT AUTO BODY WORK AND THEN WITH AUTOBI WORK.
STOPPING CENTER BUSINESS PARKS.
UM, FOR INDUSTRIAL PARK, WE ADDED A NEW FOOTNOTE.
I HAVE A SEPARATE SLIDE ON THIS, SO I'M GONNA DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE WHEN I GET TO THAT 14.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW MANY STORAGE WAREHOUSES BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND EO IN 15, WE'RE ADDING A NEW, UM, UHHUH BULLET POINT UNDER.
SO WE HAVE COMMUTER COMPUTER AND TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT AND ASSEMBLY.
AND THEN, SO WE'RE PROPOSING COMPUTER AND TECHNOLOGY MANUFACTURING.
AND THEN BY RIGHT IL, AGAIN, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE IN GB IF IT'S LESS INTENSE.
SO WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
CONTRACTOR SHOPS FOR PROPOSING TO ALLOW BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE JUST CORRECTED A CAPITALIZATION AND MICRO WINERY AND THEN ALLOWING GLASS INSTALLATION AND SALES BY SPECIAL USE IN EO.
AND THEN CELLULAR AND UTILITIES WE'RE JUST ADDING IT TO NUMBER SEVEN.
LAND USES, NOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SO FOR ROUTE 17, WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW SUBSECTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE NEW FREESTANDING SIGNS TO BE MONUMENT SIGNS.
WE ACTUALLY ALREADY REQUIRE THIS IN THE TWO RISK CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS MOSTLY IN THE UPPER COUNTY 17.
WE DO BASICALLY COPY THAT LANGUAGE AND WE PUT IT INTO THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR STANDARDS FOR IT CONSISTENTLY.
WE ALSO REQUIRE, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT COME IN, WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THOSE MONUMENT SIGNED.
SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF CONTINUING THAT CONSISTENCY.
GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF THERE.
SO FOUR 40, THIS IS TEMPORARY SALES OF SEASONAL COMMODITIES.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ARE A BIG BOX STORE LIKE WALMART, AND YOU HAVE A ROTATING SEASONAL DISPLAY OF LIKE, SO YOU HAVE MULCH IN THE SPRING, AND THEN YOU HAVE PUMPKINS FOR HALLOWEEN IN THE WINTER.
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GET A TEMPORARY ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT THAT'S ONLY GOOD FOR 120 DAYS.
AND YOU HAVE TO KEEP RENEWING THAT EVERY YEAR AND PROVIDING A SURETY.
NOW REALLY INTENT OF THIS SECTION IS FOR LIKE, OKAY, LET'S SAY I'M LIKE ONE OF THOSE NURSERY STANDS THAT GOES TO THE FOOD LION PARKING LOT.
AND I'M THERE FOR TWO MONTHS AND THEN I LEAVE.
AND I'M NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE FOOD LINE AT ALL.
BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THE FACT THAT THESE LARGE STORES HAVE THESE PRETTY MUCH PERMANENT DISPLAY OF JUST ROTATING THINGS OUTSIDE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING THIS PROVISION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT TO HAVE THESE ITEMS. I DO WANNA NOTE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO LIKE, TAKE AWAY FROM REQUIRED PARKING.
SO YOU HAVE TO STILL HAVE THE REQUIRED PARKING TO HAVE YOUR CUSTOMERS ACCESS ACCESS.
SO HOW, SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN WALMART WHEN THEY TAKE UP ALL THE SPACE, ARE THEY, ARE THEY STILL WITHIN THEIR REQUIRED PARKING? YEAH.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY ACTUALLY PUT, UH, EXTRA PARKING WHEN THEY DEVELOP.
AND SO AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE EXTRA SPACES, THEY CAN DO THIS, BUT THEY CAN'T GO INTO THEIR REQUIRED PARKING.
THAT WOULD BE A ZONING VIOLATION.
MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS, AND I, AND I SEE IT IN A LOT OF THE LOCATIONS, IS THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR STOCK OF
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MATERIAL, BE IT PETE, PETE MOSS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT OUT TO THE ISLAND.AND SO IF YOU'RE COMING ON THAT MAIN, UH, CROSSOVER ROADWAY AT THE END OF THE ISLANDS, IT'S A BLIND SPOT.
AND YOU GOT VEHICLES COMING UP NEXT TO WHERE THEY'VE GOT MATERIALS STORED.
AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME TO A STOP.
AND I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN CONTROL IT SUCH THAT THAT LAST PARKING SPOT BEFORE, UH, BEFORE AN ISLAND IS RESERVED OR, OR HAS TO BE LEFT OPEN.
IT'S, I'VE SEEN IT IN MORE THAN ONE SHOPPING LOCATION.
IT'S, UH, THAT COULD BE A POLICY CHANGE THAT WE COULD WORK WITH OUR ZONING ENFORCEMENT STAFF.
THEY COULD GO OUT AND JUST TALK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, NOT BRINGING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
MAYBE RATHER THAN CODIFYING IT INTO THE ORDINANCE.
BUT THE ONE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS THAT WE'RE CHICK-FIL-A AND HOME DEPOT ON MOTOWN ROAD COME TOGETHER.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A STOP SIGN FOR THE PEOPLE COMING OUTTA CHICK-FIL-A BUT, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE MATERIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ISLAND.
MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU GONNA TO HAVE THAT 365 DAYS A YEAR, JUST DIFFERENT MATERIAL AS YOU ROTATE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEN WHY CALL IN THE PARKING LOT? WELL, WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T THEY JUST MAKE DEDICATED SPACE FOR STORAGE INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING IT IN THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT? EVERYTHING.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR, FOR THE, UH, THE USE.
I THINK THE STORES NOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS ENFORCED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS ONEROUS FOR THEM TO HAVE TO COME IN EVERY 120 DAYS TO GET ANOTHER PERMIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE STORES DON'T AUTOMATICALLY SET ASIDE SPACE FOR IT.
UM, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THEM TO KIND OF ANSWER.
WHY DON'T THEY JUST BUILD THIS INTO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YEAH.
I, I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM REVIEW WITH US THAT THEY NEED A NEW PERMIT, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA WASH OUR HANDS OF IT.
AND, BUT THERE WAS A LIMITATION TO THE AMOUNT THAT THEY CAN PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, UH, GO INTO THE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES.
SO IT'S IN THE OVERFLOW PARKING SPACE.
AND MOST OF THE STORES MONITOR THAT VERY CAREFULLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT KIND OF SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE WATCHING IT.
I, I GUESS I'VE JUST SEEN WHERE I DON'T WANNA SEE IT AT ALL.
AND WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU DO ANYMORE.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF LOSING CONTROL OVER IT.
A LITTLE CONTROL WE HAD OVER IT.
AND, AND AS WE'VE SAID WITH ALL OF THESE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
SO IF IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN JUST REMOVE FROM, FROM THE CHANGE.
I WONDER IF YOU GO ANNUALLY FOR THE REVIEW, AN ANNUAL PERMIT OR SOMETHING, RATHER THAN EVERY SEASONAL THERE IS A PROBLEM DEVELOPING, YOU'D AT LEAST HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW.
AND WE, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA KEEP SOME GUARD RAILS UP, I THINK, INSTEAD OF JUST REMOVING 'EM ALL TOGETHER.
SO, SO I, I'D BE OKAY MOVING IT TO AN ANNUAL REVIEW.
UM, I KNOW YOU STAGGERED DURING THE YEAR, SO IT ALL ALL SHOW UP AT THE SAME TIME, BUT, UM, YEAH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE IT BE LIKE, WHERE THEY GOTTA GO PAY FOR ANOTHER PERMIT OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, IT JUST, TO ME IT IS THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IS A WALMART, HOW MUCH OF THE PAID GUYS ARE GENERATING, THERE'S NO, WELL OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN REVENUE.
THERE'S NO FEE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE.
THERE'S NO FEE FOR THE PERMIT.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S THE POINT.
IF CAN REVIEW STUFF, THAT'S FINE.
SO WE HAD THAT NEW USE, SELF-SERVICE, ICE SPENDING UNITS.
UM, WE BROKE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M NOT GONNA READ OUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE 'CAUSE THERE'S QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
BUT TO, TO BRIEFLY SUM THEM UP, WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR LOCATION.
YOU CAN'T BE IN A REQUIRED SETBACK OR IN YOUR LANDSCAPE YARD.
WE REQUIRE SCREENING OF LIKE THE TOP IF THERE'S MODULES HAVING, WE'RE HAVING SKIRTING ON THE FOUNDATION.
WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION LIKE WE DO WITH GAS STATIONS.
SO IF THEY BECOME DEFUNCT AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THEY NEED TO GET REMOVED, WE HAVE LIMITS ON SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT REALLY STANDS, IT REALLY OBLITERATES OR HIDES THE STORES BEHIND IT.
COULD IT NOT BE TO THE SIDE RATHER THAN IN THE MIDDLE LIKE THAT? WE'RE GETTING RID OF THE KIOSK.
THAT USED TO BE FOR THE CAMERAS.
THAT I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING, WHICH WELL, WE'RE REALLY GLAD TO HEAR.
THERE'S A PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
SO WHEN THEY GO TO BUSINESS, EVENTUALLY THEY'LL GET TAKEN AWAY.
UM, BUT YOUR QUESTION, CAN WE, CAN WE SET
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THAT UP SOMEHOW? UM, WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY SAY EXACT LOCATION WHERE IT WOULD BE.WE JUST SAID IT CAN'T BE IN THE SETBACK A LOT OF TIMES.
SO WE WERE GOING TO LEAVE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ACTUAL LOCATION WOULD BE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE ICE VENDOR TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
'CAUSE I KNOW LIKE ROBERT'S FURNITURE, HE CAME AND SPOKE WITH YOU ABOUT HOW HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ONE OFF SIDE THERE WHERE CHARLIE'S MM-HMM.
SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE LOCATION THEY WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OVER TO GLOUCESTER, YOU GO RIGHT ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ALL THOSE, THAT STRIP CENTER THAT'S RIGHT PAST, UM, THE NEW DINER THERE,
BUT I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT SITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE.
SO I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW, STAFF DIDN'T WANNA REGULATE IT, THAT, TO THAT DEGREE BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE VENDOR WOULD BE THE ONES TO KIND OF DETERMINE THAT.
WELL, MAYBE STAFF COULD SAY IT COULD NOT BE IN THE CENTER OF THE PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN THEY CAN DECIDE WHEREABOUTS.
WELL, THESE ARE ALL SPECIAL USE PERMIT TOO.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL COME TO YOU.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION, YOU COULD TELL 'EM AT THAT POINT.
ALSO, BY THAT TIME, THEY'D MADE UP THEIR MIND WHERE THEY WANNA PUT IT.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT'S USED FROM THEIR PROCESS.
LIKE THEY CAN'T, YOU CAN'T LIKE TAKE UP A REQUIRED PARKING SPACE AND LIKE PLUNK IT DOWN AND YOU CAN'T BE IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE BUY A DRIVE AISLE.
AND ACTUALLY WHEN WE HAD A COMMENT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I REMEMBER HIM, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO WAS REPRESENTING THE BUSINESS OF THIS KIND, STATING THAT THEY LIKE TO PUT IT CLOSER TO LIKE WHERE THERE'S LAWN OR GREEN AREAS FOR THE RUNOFF FROM THE MACHINES.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME SELF-SELECTION IN THAT.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY ABOUT, UM, NUMBER OF VEN VENDING MACHINES ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY? JUST ONE PER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, AND AND, AND WHAT DO YOU DEFINE AS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THE, I MEAN, IF YOU GOT, IF YOU HAVE A SHOP CENTER AND MAYBE THE TWO PARCELS TOGETHER.
UM, SO ONE PER PARCEL WHAT WE DON'T, WE WANT, WE DON'T WANT THESE THING, WE DON'T WANT THESE THINGS FLOODED IN A, WELL, AGAIN, AGAIN, THESE ARE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, SO YOU'LL GET TO REVIEW THEM.
SO IF YOU, YOU'RE THINKING WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF 'EM.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE, I JUST WANT THE ORDINANCE HAVE SET THE EXPECTATION BEFORE THEY, THEY GET TO THE POINT THEY'VE WRITTEN THE CHECK FOR.
THEY HAVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SUBMITTED.
SO, BUT I MEAN, WE, YOU COULD PUT A, WE COULD PUT A STIPULATION IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NO CLOSER THAN SO MANY FEET TO ANOTHER ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, LET'S SEE IF IT BECOMES, BECOMES A PROBLEM WE NEED TO SOLVE FIRST, BUT, RIGHT.
WE HAVE THAT OTHER NEW USE FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO WE WROTE STANDARDS FOR THOSE AS WELL.
I'M NOT GONNA LIST ALL THEM OUT, BUT WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR LIKE PERMANENT FACILITIES.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE, THESE, THESE AREN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, POPUP EVENT THAT GOES AWAY.
SO WE WANTED LIKE RESTROOMS, SITE LIGHTING.
WE WANNA BE LIKE A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE WROTE STANDARDS FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO THE VISION HERE IS EVERY WEEKEND THESE, ALL THESE FOOD TRUCKS ALL CONVERGE IN THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY TO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE VISION.
IT COULD BE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK TOO.
BUT, BUT IT'S A REGULAR BASIS FOR LUNCH.
IT WOULD BE A, A STANDARD PARK.
I MEAN, HAS THAT BEEN AN ASK BEFORE OR YOU WE DID ACTUALLY ON RICHMOND ROAD, UM, THERE WAS A PAR PROPERTY UP THERE AND THE LADY WANTED TO HAVE TWO TO THREE TRUCKS COMING.
UM, AND WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY USE THE WAY TO GET THE USE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WAS ONE CONSIDERATION.
JEANIE'S GOTTEN A CALL ALSO ON IT.
SO I MEAN THE, THE INTEREST IS THERE.
WE PUT THE USE IN THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I MENTIONED CAR T TAILING EARLIER.
WE WROTE SOME STANDARDS FOR THAT.
SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A CAR WASH REALLY.
THIS IS LIKE A PERSON WORKING ON LIKE ONE OR TWO CARS AT A TIME AND THEY USE A LOT LESS WATER.
BUT WE DID WRITE A PROVISION IN THERE.
SO IF YOU USE OVER 35 GALLONS, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO RECYCLE IT LIKE A CAR WASH DOES.
SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT NEW ADDITION TO STANDARDS FOR INDUSTRIAL PARKS.
SO THIS IS REALLY ABOUT WAREHOUSES.
AND IF YOU HAVE WAREHOUSE GREATER THAN A MILLION SQUARE FEET IN GLOS FOUR AREA, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OR IF YOU HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND THEN YOU EXPAND IT TO BE LARGER THAN A MILLION SQUARE FEET, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE YOU'RE AMENDING A SPECIALTIES PERMIT.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPACE IN THE COUNTY FOR THAT? A MILLION SQUARE FEET BUILDING? SURE, YEP.
KINGS CREEK FENTON OR UM, LAKE FOOT ROAD,
SO WHAT'S DRIVING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD AND YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT.
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PROPOSED WHERE HOUSES PLURAL, HAVING 1 MILLION OR SQUARE FEET OR ACROSS FLORIDA AREA.SO BUILDING, BUILDING A SEVEN 50,000 SQUARE FOOT UNIT AND THEN ADDING ANOTHER ONE AT 750,000 PUTS YOU OVER A MILLION.
BUT THIS WOULD SAY IT'S NOT GREATER THAN 1 MILLION BY ITSELF.
NO, I THINK YOU LEAVE IT ALONE.
I THINK YOU, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT 5 MILLION WORTH OF, UH, WAREHOUSES IN, IN AN AREA AND THEY'RE ALL LESS THAN A MILLION BECAUSE IT'S A TRAFFIC DENSITY ISSUE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING.
SO THE TOTAL OF A MILLION SQUARE FEET ACROSS AREA OF ALL THE WAREHOUSES, WHEN YOU EXPAND BEYOND THAT, YOU GO TO SPECIAL USE AND WELL, WELL THIS IS SPECIAL USE SPENT ANYWAY, RIGHT? NO, IT'S BY, RIGHT.
UH, UP TO A MILLION FOR, FOR RETAIL RETAIL USE.
UM, AND TODAY VERSUS TOMORROW, I MEAN, SOMEBODY MAY COME AND THAT'S RIGHT.
SET UP ONE TODAY AND FIVE YEARS LATER ON, SET UP A SECOND ONE.
IF YOU GO PAST A MILLION TOTAL SQUARE FOOT, YOU COME BACK FOR US.
UH, WE JUST ADDED A PARKING STANDARD FOR, FOR TRUCK PARKS AND THEN TWO SMALL CHANGES TO ARTICLE SEVEN SIGNS.
UH, AND PERMITTED SIGNS WERE JUST ALLOWING SIGNS FOR CAR WASH, DRIVE-THROUGH LANES.
AND THEN IN TEMPORARY SIGNS WE'RE EXTENDING THE PERMITTED PROPOSING TO EXTEND THE PERMITTED DISPLAY TIME FOR POLITICAL SIGNS FROM 60 DAYS TO 90 DAYS BEFORE STATE, LOCAL, OR NATIONAL ELECTION.
NOW KIND OF THE BEHIND THAT IS WE HAD, SO MAIL-IN VOTING IS VERY POPULAR NOW AND THOSE BALLOTS GO OUT USUALLY SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE AN ELECTION.
SO WE HAVE CANDIDATES COME TO US AND SAY, MM-HMM,
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THIS.
WHAT ABOUT TAKING THE SIGNS DOWN? THAT WOULD STAY AT 10.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S 10 DAYS AFTER AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
I TAKE THEM DOWN THE NEXT DAY.
AND IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE TOO.
SO THAT, THAT ENDS OUR PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US GET THROUGH IT.
UM, I KNOW YOU ASKED QUESTIONS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE COULD ANSWER, I THINK WE GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
AND I WOULD ALSO JUST REMIND YOU, WE HAVE MR. HENKEL HERE WHO'S COME TONIGHT TO KIND OF, UM, HELP WITH THE, UM, WETLAND DEFINITION IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO YOU JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WELL, I GOT MY NOTES, BUT WE'LL START GOOD ACROSS HERE.
YOU GOOD MS. JURY? AS LONG AS WE'RE USING THE EPA DEFINITION OF, OH, WHAT DEFINITION ARE WE USING FOR WETLAND? LET ME JUST, LET ME LET KENT COME UP AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT REAL QUICK.
DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD.
NOT THE CHANGES THAT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE BEFORE WE WE GO ON THAT.
I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGNS DISCUSSION.
UM, YEAH, SO THIS IS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POLITICAL SIGNS AND I'M FINE WITH, WITH WHAT YOU'VE HIGHLIGHTED.
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO PUT UP TEMPORARY SIGNS ON NON-PRIVATE PROPERTY? IN OTHER WORDS, PUBLIC PROPERTY, LIKE IN A RIGHT OF WAY? YES.
SO THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP IS A, A GOOD EXAMPLE, A LOST BEAGLE.
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO PUT UP A LOST PET SIGN ON A, ON A STOP SIGN AT THE CORNER ORGANICALLY? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
WE DON'T ENFORCE THE FAMILY WHO LOST THEIR DOG.
SHOULD, SHOULD WE HAVE SOME
I MEAN, AGAIN, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES UP AND, AND WE ONLY, WE ONLY RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS.
SO IF I PERSONALLY WALK MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SEE THAT KIND OF SIGN AND IT'S BEEN UP FOR, YOU KNOW, A MONTH AND IT'S STARTING TO DETERIORATE, I'M GONNA CALL THE NUMBER WHICH IS ON THE SIGN YES.
AND SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE SIGN, BUT AT LEAST YOU KNOW, COULD YOU REPLACE IT? BECAUSE NOW IT LOOKS REALLY AWFUL, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO AFTER SOMEBODY WHO'S PUTTING UP A GARAGE SALE SIGN, IT'S REALTOR SIGN.
THOSE ALWAYS, ALMOST ALWAYS GO UP ON THE WEEKENDS.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE GOT SOME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HERE.
NOW, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS, AFTER DEALING WITH VDOT FOR A MILLION YEARS, IS THAT THEY DICTATE WHAT GO IN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY.
I MEAN, THEY GOT A VERY, THEY GOT A VERY STRICT LIMIT.
I MEAN, VERY STRICT LIMIT, JUST NOT, UH, EVEN, EVEN TO THE THING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAILBOX AND THE PO AND THE, UH, LETTER, THE NEWSPAPER BOX.
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ARE GONNA ALLOW AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW.NOW WE, WE WORK WITH THEM BASICALLY ON A, KIND OF, TO HELP THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GO AROUND PULLING SIGNS.
BUT THE, THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE GOING AWAY THINKING THAT WE'RE CONTROLLING THAT.
I MEAN, THE STATE WANTS TO, THEY COULD PULL EVERY SIGN OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND UH, AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON SENSE IS WHETHER IT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH TRAFFIC SAFETY, THAT'S KIND OF ALWAYS A BIG ONE.
YOU KNOW, UM, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING SIGNS OUT, THEY DON'T GET RUN OVER WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING IT.
AND SO, UM, SO I JUST, I MEAN, I JUST WANT, PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS THINK THAT THE COUNTY CONTROLS THIS.
WE DON'T, IT'S A STATE PROPERTY NOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE 60 TO 90 DAY THING YOU, YOU PUT UP THERE, UM, WHERE EXACTLY DOES THAT APPLY? IF I HAD MY PIECE OF PROPERTY, I COULD PUT IT UP THERE 108 DAYS A YEAR AND STICK IT ON MY PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE CONTROLLING PERSONAL PROPERTY HERE, ARE WE? NO.
AND THEN, AND THEN, SO ARE WE SAYING YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT 60 TO 90 DAYS IN STATE PROPERTY? DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY DO THAT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SIGN'S GONNA LIKE TO GO WITHIN.
I KNOW WHAT SIGN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS MOSTLY SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS ON LIKE, I WOULD SAY MOSTLY ON BUSINESS PROPERTIES WHERE, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A PROLIFERATION OF ELECTION SIGNS GOING UP.
YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD NOT SAY YOU ON YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY ARE LIMITED.
'CAUSE EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE SIGN ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY CAN HAVE IT 365 DAYS A YEAR.
IT COULD BE I LOVE JESUS OR VOTE FOR BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE ONE SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY NO MATTER WHAT, ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT.
AND, UM, JUST ONE LAST LITTLE BIT.
YOU GO IN THE CITY OF POSA AND THEY HAVE CITY ORDINANCE, WHICH, 'CAUSE THEY OWN THEIR OWN ROADS AND THEY CAN DICTATE WHERE THOSE SIGNS CAN BE DOWN THERE.
AND THEY DO PLASTER 'EM OUT THERE BEFORE EVERY ELECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN WITH CREEK.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE CAN'T DO THAT IN YORK COUNTY.
YOU CAN'T CREATE AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT.
PUBLIC FOR THE VDOT RIGHT AWAY.
SO FOR THE WETLAND DEFINITION THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, IT IS FROM EPA AND ALSO THE PART THAT'S NOT BEING CHANGED UNDER NON-TITLE IS DIRECTLY FROM, IT'S A FEDERAL WETLAND.
SO, AND I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WATER COVERING THE, TO THE SURFACE, RIGHT? SO FOR A WETLAND, YOU HAVE TO MEET THREE DEFINITIONS FOR IT TO BE A WETLAND, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WETLAND HYDROLOGY, AND WETLAND PROFESSIONALS WILL DIG HOLES AND MM-HMM.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE HYDROPHILIC VEGETATION.
SO THE CORE OF ENGINEERS HAS A MANUAL THAT'LL TELL YOU WHICH VEGETATION GROWS IN WETLANDS, WHICH GROWS IN UPLANDS.
AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO HAVE HYDRO SOILS.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THREE OF THOSE INDICATORS FOR IT TO BE CALLED A WETLAND.
I HAVE STANDING WATER IN MY YARD IN THE WINTER, AND IT'S SPRING.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A WETLAND, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THREE CRITERIA.
THE OTHER PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, SOME BACKGROUND, THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO THE WETLAND DELINEATIONS.
IF YOU DO A PROJECT, IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING PROPERTY, PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DO WHAT'S CALLED A NATURAL RESOURCES INVENTORY.
AND HAVING A WETLAND DELINEATION COMPLETED IS PART OF THAT.
AND THEN THAT GETS CONFIRMED BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THESE ARE STANDARD DEFINITIONS FROM EPA, FROM CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND IT'S NOT A WETLAND UNLESS IT MEETS ALL THREE CRITERIA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.
THAT HELPS A LOT BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I KNEW IT HAD TO BE MORE THAN THAT.
BUT THIS IS ALL I WAS SEEING LAST TIME.
SO YOUR EXPLANATION REALLY DRIVES HOME WHAT REALLY A WETLANDS IS.
SO, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, HOW DOES THAT JOB WITH THE, THE, WITH THE THREE CRITERIA, IS THIS JUST A, WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A WETLAND DEFINITION IN A ZONING ORDINANCE.
LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU DEVELOP PROPERTY, THEN IN THE HAVE TO CLOSE THE CORE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ALSO DO A NATURAL RESOURCES INVENTORY, WHICH IS IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ACT AND WETLANDS ORDINANCE, WHICH INCLUDES A WETLAND, WETLAND DELINEATION.
SO THIS IS A DEFINITION, BUT IT'S, AND IN THE NON-TITLE DEFINITION, IT SAYS, UM, SATURATED SOIL AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SURFACE WATER.
AND THEN IT SAYS, IT SAYS A PREVALENCE OF VEGETATION TYPICALLY ADAPT, TYPICALLY ADAPTED
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FOR LIFE AND SATURATED SOIL.AGAIN, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE HYDROPHILIC VEGETATION.
IS IT AN UPLAND SPECIES? IS IT A WETLAND SPECIES? AND AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T MEET ALL THREE CRITERIA, IT'S NOT A WETLAND.
SO, SO NOBODY'S GONNA PREVAIL IN CORN IF THEY TRY TO BRING THAT DEFINITION AS A, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS WETLAND.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY DEFER BACK TO THE THREE CRITERIA THAT WE JUST HEARD HERE.
AND AS HE SAID, HE, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ARE THE ONES ARMY.
THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION CAME IN.
IS WE, SOME, WERE THINKING THAT WE ARE USURPING THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND WE'RE NOT.
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO CONFIRM THE DELINEATION.
WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN, WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T COME UP WITH OUR OWN PLAN.
THE FEDERAL LAWS AND ORDINANCES, WE CAN'T.
AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION LAST, LAST MEETING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
THAT WE WERE, WE WERE CALLING WETLANDS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE CORPS WAS CALLING WETLANDS.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE CALLED TO HAVE YOU HERE TO EXPLAIN THAT.
SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO USURP THE GOVERNMENT.
I THINK YOUR QUESTION, MR. ROONE, WAS, COULD THE COUNTY, AS HE INDICATES, COULD THE COUNTY DEFINE WETLANDS MORE BROADLY THAN AS IS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW? AND THAT THAT, THAT THAT DEFINITION, IF IT WAS MORE BROAD, WOULD BE BINDING? I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.
BECAUSE THAT LOOKED LIKE A BROAD DEFINITION TO ME.
IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, YOU LIVE A SEAFORD, YOU'RE COVERED WITH WARD ALL THE TIME.
SOMEBODY CAN MAKE GOVERNMENT, YOU OWN WETLANDS, SO YOU HAVE TO DO SUCH AND SUCH.
YOU'RE LIKE, NO, I DON'T BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THESE THREE CRITERIA THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT.
AND I, I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THAT GET WEAPONIZED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT SOMEBODY FOR WHATEVER REASON, TOOK A BROAD DEFINITION LIKE THAT AND DEFINED SOME PIECE OF PROPERTY AS WETLANDS WHEN IT REALLY ISN'T.
SO YOUR EXPLANATION HAS HELPED WITH THAT.
SO CONVERSE IS ALSO TRUE THOUGH.
WE, WE, WE COULD NOT TRY TO DEFINE IT MORE NARROWLY THAN, THAN THE FEDERAL LAW AND THEN HAVE THAT DEFINITION PREVAIL OVER WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE EPA.
SO IT WORKS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT TO THE TABLE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS A BIG HELP.
SO I THINK IT, UM, BACK TO BIG PICTURE STUFF, I ONE OUT THERE YET, YET
UM, FEED QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK ON, I THINK WE'VE HAD, I THINK THE FEEDBACK WE'VE PROVIDED IS THAT'S ALL WE NEED.
I THINK WE'VE MADE SEVERAL SUGGESTIONS.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS DEBATE.
WELL, YOU GOT ANY, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOPE.
'CAUSE I DO, BECAUSE WE NEVER DID COME BACK TO THE SCHOOL'S EDUCATION ON IG AND, UH, ON AND INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN IS BY PER WAS IT BY, WAS IT BY RIGHT.
AND MY CONCERN THERE, I MEAN IT, IT MAY BE A GOOD FIT IN SOME CASES, BUT MAYBE NOT IN ALL CASES.
BUT IF YOU PUT A SCHOOL UP ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS A SCHOOL BASICALLY FOREVER.
AND, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, WHAT, IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN IL AND IG DESIGNATED AREA? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC EDUCATION OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A DANCE SCHOOL OR THIS SAYS PUBLIC EDUC.
THIS IS YOUR COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S BUILDING ANOTHER GRAFTING HIGH ON.
SO THE ONLY PEOPLE WE'D BE DEALING WITH WOULD BE THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM OTHERWISE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT UNLESS WE GIVE MONEY.
I JUST KIND KIND OF SHOCKED BY THE IDEA IT'S JUST A SCHOOL IN A, AN INDUSTRIAL AREA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH.
SO I'M NOT SURE I'D BE, UH, I'D BE, THERE WOULD BE OTHER WAYS OF NOT NOT AGREEING WITH THAT.
WELL, WE COULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS TODAY, WHICH IS BY SUP.
THAT WOULD GIVES US A CHANCE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE OUR LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE FOR THE SCHOOLS.
I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD TODAY, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH TO ME, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT WRITING AN SUP FOR IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEING PART OF THE DISCUSSION BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF OUR HANDS.
IF WE DON'T WANT IT, TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY.
WELL, I I JUST DON'T WANNA MAKE IT EASY.
SO I PUT, SO THEN JUST LEAVE IT AS S SUV.
THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WANNA MAKE IT WHERE WE REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO I WOULD SAY JUST LEAVE IT AS SUP AND NOT MAKE IT NOT MAKE IT BY.
WHY WOULDN'T INSTRUCTION BE THE SAME AN SUP? IT'S GOOD THAT WE ABOUT THAT.
I I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
BUT I WAS WORKING MY WAY DOWN.
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I THINK IN BOTH CASES, IL AND IG WERE CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING UP OUR LAST PERMITTING LAND FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.THE, UH, AND THAT, SO WE, OKAY, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES, RIGHT? WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING ALSO.
THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS THAT YEARS, YEARS AGO WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, RESIDENTIAL RESIDENT COULD, YOU COULD BUILD A, A HOUSE IN A, IN A IL DISTRICT.
AND I THINK WE DO WE STILL HAVE THAT? NO, NO, NO.
THAT WAS ALL CHANGED IN THE, I'LL SAY THE EIGHTIES, NINETIES.
BUT YEAH, YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL IN EVERY ZONING DISTRICT.
WELL I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE EIGHTIES.
THAT WAS, IT WAS THAT, THAT WAS WAY BACK IN.
I KNOW IT WAY, WAY BACK IN THE FIFTIES.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT CHANGED ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN THE I AM.
IF SOMEONE OWNS A PROPERTY AND HAS, HAS A BUSINESS THERE AND HE WANTS TO RENT IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT? I MEAN, HE OWNS THE PROPERTY.
DO DO YOU WANT HIM NOT TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP HIS MONEY BY RENTING IT TO SOMEONE? I WOULD WANT TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
AND, AND I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIVATE INSTRUCTIONS THAN THE, THE, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
'CAUSE YOU BUILD A PUBLIC SCHOOL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BASICALLY THERE FOREVER.
PRIVATE INSTRUCTION, A DANCE STUDENT, SO FORTH THAT COULD BE THERE ONE YEAR AND THEN THEN GO ON THE NEXT AND IT ROTATE.
IT'S MORE LIKE A BUSINESS THEN THAN A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
BUT I'M, I'M OKAY WITH, I CERTAINLY WANTED TO SEE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS GO STAY AT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND IF WE WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT PRIVATE INSTRUCTION, THEN MAKE THEM A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TOO.
IS THERE A BIG HOT NEED FOR THAT? A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING FOR THAT TYPE OF, I MEAN WE JUST HAD THE ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THE GUY, THE GUY WANTED TO TEACH PET GROOMING.
SO WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GET FLOODED BY BY THOSE.
SO LET'S, LET'S KEEP THE GUARDRAILS UP THERE THEN.
IS MY RECOMMENDATION, DO WE ALLOW DAYCARE IN THE LIGHT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT'S REALLY A BIG PUSH HERE.
SO WHAT'S THE THOUGHT ON SPECIAL USE ON DEPUTY CI FOR PRIVATE INSTRUCTION? LIKE, LIKE IF YOU'RE A MARINA AND YOU WANTED TO GIVE SAILING LESSONS OR BOATING LESSONS AND YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE ACCESSORY TO THE MARINA.
THAT WOULD BE ACCESSORY TO THE MARINA.
THIS WOULD BE IF SOMEONE TOOK A WCI PROPERTY AND WANTED TO, THERE WAS NOTHING ON IT AND THEY WANTED TO BUILD A SCHOOL.
SO WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE, GO BACK TO THE S FOUR EOIL AND IG.
IS THAT WHERE WE ARE FOR YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS? AND THE SAME FOR PRIVATE.
AND THE SAME FOR PRIVATE INSTRUCTION.
THEN YOU WANT THEM TO BE SPECIALLY PERMITTED AND INDUSTRIAL.
I, I, I DO FOR YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH SPECIAL LEAVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS? SURE.
WHAT WHAT ABOUT FOR PRIVATE INSTRUCTIONS? SAME.
LIKE A, LIKE A DANCE STUDIO OR DOG GROUP OR YEAH.
I DON'T WANT THAT IN A WHITE INDUSTRIAL.
YEAH, SO, WELL IT ALREADY EXISTS.
YEAH, I'M, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE I JUST DON'T THINK GOES IN THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO BRING IT TO, BRING IT TO THE BOARD.
BRING IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE BOARD FOR REVIEW.
SO SS ON BOTH OF HAS TWO COLUMNS.
UM, YOU TOOK AWAY HOUSEHOLD REPAIRS, HOUSEHOLD REPAIR ITEMS. YEAH.
SO LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN A PLACE WHERE I COULD GET MY TOASTER OR VCR FIXED IN A WHILE.
SO WE FIGURED THAT WAS NOT A USE THAT'S REALLY HAPPENING ANYMORE.
DOES THAT FIT INTO THAT TOO, TOO? NOBODY'S GETTING THE TVS REPAIR.
DOES ANYBODY REPAIR TVS?
SO WE JUST DON'T, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA HAVE THAT BUSINESS ANYMORE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TO YOUTUBE.
FIGURE OUT, GET CLOCKS REPAIRED ANYWAY.
TAKE TAKE THE THING OFF THE BACK AND PUT ANOTHER ONE ON
THAT TYPE OF CLOCK LIKE AN OLD SCHOOL.
SO AUGUST THROUGH NOVEMBER WE'RE GONNA START HAVING SIGNS UP EVERYWHERE.
IF YOU HAVE EARLY VOTING, WHY WOULDN'T YOU EARLY VOTING.
WHY DO WE HAVE EARLY, EARLY VOTING IS MY, MY, MY QUESTION.
I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER FIX THAT THAN I WOULD, THAN THAN THROW MORE SIGNS UP AT AT THERE.
HOW DOES THAT MATCH OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS? THE, THE, THE 90 DAYS? YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE LOOKED TO SEE THIS WAS JUST A REQUEST THAT KIND OF CAME IN
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AND WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE, REASONABLE REQUEST FROM, FROM CANDIDATES.BUT I DON'T THINK THE, THE RESIDENTS WANNA SEE SIGNS OUT THERE FOR, FOR ANOTHER EXTRA MONTH THAT I HAD.
NO ONE'S COME TO ME AND SAY I WANNA SEE MORE.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SEE UP LONGER.
AND I, AND I GOTTA PUT 'EM OUT WHEN, YOU KNOW.
SO I ASKED YOU, THEY WERE UP SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WELL YOU GOT THE PRIMARY, THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR PRIMARIES, YOU HAD 'EM BEFORE THE PRIMARY.
AND, AND GOING TO, I THINK YOUR QUESTION, WE HAD A MESS OF SIGNS AT THE, UM, AT WALT LATHAM'S OFFICE, UM, TO SEE WAS RIDICULOUS IS NOTHING ORDINANCE AND CAN ADDRESS WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PRIVATE LAY PLAN.
BUT, BUT THE SHOP, BUT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER COULDN'T TAKE THOSE SIGNS DOWN.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IF THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNED IT, THEY COULD GO IN AND TAKE A, I THOUGHT HE WAS TOLD HE CAN'T TOUCH 'EM.
I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY, BUT I THOUGHT THE PROPERTY WENT IN THERE AND THEY GOT TIRED OF THE MESS TOO AND WANTED TO PICK 'EM UP AND SOMEBODY TOLD 'EM YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM.
'CAUSE THERE'S ELECTION GOING ON.
THAT KIND OF GOES INTO WHEN YOU LEASE THE LAND FROM A PROPERTY OWNER, THEN THE SIGNAGE, THE SIGNAGE LAW, DOES THAT APPLY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OR APPLY THE LEASE? THE LEASER? YEAH.
WHERE DOES, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GOT, I'LL GIVE YOU A GREAT CASE DOWN HERE IN YORKTOWN.
WHAT'S THE ICE CREAM PLACE? ICE CREAM.
THEY JUST, THEY WOULD JACK A LOT OF SIGNS UP IN THERE.
AND UH, WE, WE, WE, UH, YEARS AGO TRIED TO STOP IT BUT UH, WE TOLD WE COULDN'T DO IT.
RIGHT BECAUSE THAT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS LEASING THAT PROPERTY FROM THE COUNTY.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, REGISTRAR'S OFFICE, WHAT EXACTLY PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU STICK TO THE SIGN? BUT I GUESS THE ORDER DOESN'T SPEAK TO IT AT ALL.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
IF IT WAS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN IT COULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THIS IS, THAT IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO I I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REASON WHY THAT PROPERTY OWNER COULD NOT HAVE TAKEN THEM DOWN.
DUNNO WHY PEOPLE WOULD COMPLAINED AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, THAT WAS PART OF THE EXCITEMENT OF THE ELECTION.
WELL, OKAY, WELL THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT GOING BACK TO HAVING POLITICAL SIGNS UP AT THE PLACES THAT YOU MENTIONED, NOT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'LL PUT A SIGN UP ANYTIME OF THE YEAR.
BUT THE PLACES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER MONTH OF OF THAT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I KNOW WE GOT FEEDBACK, WE GOT A QUESTION FROM CANDIDATES, BUT I DON'T, I I'M NOT HEARING THE RESIDENTS COME AND ASKING FOR IT.
THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
I THINK IT'S, THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T PUT SIGNS UP.
MOST PEOPLE JUST EXPECT THE SIGNS.
AND THEN IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'LL GET A CALL.
WHY IN THE CORNER OF SUCH AND SUCH DO WE HAVE SO MANY SIGNS? CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE THE POLITICAL SIGNS, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE REAL ESTATE SIGNS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GARAGE SALE SIGNS AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, POWER SPRAY SIGNS AND YOU, AFTER A WHILE YOU CAN'T TELL ONE FROM THE OTHER AND IT GETS TO BE A MESS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO CLEAN 'EM ALL OUT AND THEN THEY START ALL OVER AGAIN.
I'M NOT GONNA LOSE A LOT OF SLEEP ON THIS, BUT ANOTHER MONTH OF IT.
AND LAST THING WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THAT $130 NEW FEE, RIGHT? UM, FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN AMENDMENTS.
AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHY DO WE HAVE THAT FEE? AND YOU REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION? YEAH, I REMEMBER.
SO, AND MY QUESTION DON'T WANT IT GOES BACK, MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO ARE THERE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FEE SUBMITTAL THAT WE NEED TO RECOVER IN THAT $130? AND THEN HERE'S, HERE'S HOW YOU ANSWER THIS.
OKAY, I'M GONNA, I HAVE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
YOU GUYS STANDING THERE LIKE, LIKE, LIKE YOU SEEM DOLE OR SOMETHING.
THE, UH, THE POINT IS THAT IT'S COSTING ALL THE TAXPAYERS, OKAY, THIS, THIS EFFORT BY THIS INDIVIDUAL OR TO DO WHATEVER IS IF IT'S COSTING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROVIDE THE STAFF, WE PROVIDE THE SALARIES, WE PROVIDE THE BUILDINGS, WE PROVIDE ALL THAT STUFF.
AND THEN THERE'S THE LITTLE, THE THE PERSON HAS TO COME UP IS PROVIDING HIS HE IS, HE'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S PROVIDED THERE BY ALL THE CITIZENS.
BUT IT'S WHEN THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM AND NOT COVERING EVERYBODY ELSE AND EVERYBODY HAS, HAS TO PAY FOR IT.
SO THEY'RE, YOUR ANSWER IS THAT THAT'S WHY YOU CHARGE A FEE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T, IF YOU, IF SOMEBODY'S GETTING A SERVICE SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM, THEN THEY PAY FOR IT.
BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE PROVIDING ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALL THE SUPPORT TO GET IT DONE.
THAT'S HOW YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO, BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE REAL STUFF BEHIND YOUR ANSWER.
NOW THE QUESTION IS WHY IS IT NOT $125?
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WHY IS IT $130? I ASKED THAT QUESTION ORIGINALLY AND NOBODY ANSWERED.WELL, BEFORE WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION,
BUT AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE IF WE HAVE TO PAY A LOCAL NEWSPAPER TO ADVERTISE THE THING YOU SUBMITTED, WE WOULD NEED TO, WE WOULD WANT TO RECOVER THAT COST.
'CAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE INCURRED THAT COST.
BUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN WHY ARE WE CHARGE 'EM THE FEE? I DON'T WANNA BUST SOMEBODY JUST BECAUSE, BUT IF WE, IF IF IT'S A CURRENT EXTRA COST, THEN, THEN THAT'S RECOVERED.
NOW WHETHER THAT'S A HUNDRED THIRD DOLLARS, $125, WHATEVER IT IS, RECOVER THE COSTS.
SO IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WORK OUTSIDE OF NORMAL STAFF TIME THAT WE SHOULD BE RECOVERING? NO, I THINK IT JUST GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. SHEPHERD SAID IS WHO, WHO SHOULD BE PAYING THE, THE TAXPAYERS OR THE, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PRESENTING THE PLANS FOR US TO REVIEW.
WELL, I SAID YOU GOTTA, BUT YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT ARGUMENT.
YOU GOTTA HAVE STUFF BEHIND IT.
HE'S KIND OF ASKING THE STUFF BEHIND THE $130.
SO YOU GOTTA TELL US WHAT THE, WHAT I MEAN THE, THE, THAT'S GREAT EXAMPLE IS THE, IS THE ADVERTISEMENT OKAY? THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PERSON.
WE PROVIDE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THE SUPPORT, EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE THE, GET THE PLANS UP.
DO YOU DO ALL THE PLANNING WORK? THAT ADVERTISEMENT FEE IS SOMETHING THAT THE PERSON HAS TO PAY BECAUSE HE'S CHARGED.
'CAUSE THE REST OF US DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR AN ADVERTISEMENT.
SO THE SAME THING APPLIES TO ANY FEE WE CHARGE.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A RATIONALE BEHIND IT.
UH, NOT JUST BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE LOOKS LIKE THAT OR SOME OTHER CITIES DO IT.
THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A FEE BECAUSE WE GET GALLED.
SO EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND WITH FEES, OKAY.
SO I MEAN WE, WE, WE CHARGE FEES FOR SITE PLAN AND PLAN REVIEW.
AND WHEN AN AMENDMENT COMES IN RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT CHARGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE ASKING TO CHARGE FOR IS WHEN AN AMENDMENT TO ONE OF THOSE PLANS COMES IN.
SO INITIALLY WE CHARGE SITE PLAN AND OR SUBDIVISION FEES.
UH, BUT ANYTIME THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE THOSE ARE APPROVED AND THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE PLAN IN ANY WAY AND THEY RESUBMIT IT, WE DON'T CHARGE THEM.
AND SO NOW WE ARE PUTTING A FEE IN THERE TO, ALONG WITH THE SAME ASSOCIATED FEES THAT WE HAVE ORIGINALLY WITH THE SITE PLAN AND PERHAPS TO DISCOURAGE THEM FOR SO MANY CHANGE ORDERS.
BUT THEY RIGHT, THERE'S A, YOU CAN END UP PLANS GOING BACK AND FORTH, THE ITERATIVE PROCESS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD END UP GETTING CHARGED AT THE WAZOO FOR THESE THINGS.
NO, WE JUST CHARGE THEM ONE TIME.
ONCE WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE FIRST REVIEW, THEY DON'T GET CHARGED EACH ADDITIONAL ORDER.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE A POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PAY FOR THE, YOU PAY FOR THE PLANNING PART, YOU START IT OFF, YOU SUBMIT THE PLAN AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU LIKE THE FIRST ONE FREE.
AND THEN THE SECOND TIME YOU COME BACK AND YOU HAVEN'T CHANGED IT, GUESS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET? ZAP.
THAT'S, AND I WAS THINKING ON THE SAME LINES TOO.
I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE BERKELEY GUYS, UH, WHEN WE DID OUR INTERVIEW THE OTHER DAY.
AND I BROUGHT THIS UP AND ONE OF THEM HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS AND I TOLD HIM THAT HE OUGHT TO BRING 'EM TO THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY ON RESUBMITTAL.
HE SAID IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THEY JACK THOSE PRICES WAY UP FOR RESUBMITTAL BECAUSE THEN THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PEOPLE COMING IN ARE CAREFUL, ARE VERY CAREFUL.
THEY, YOU DON'T GO BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND THEY DON'T GIVE YOU SIX OF THE 10.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY GAVE YOU 10 OF THE 10 MM-HMM.
AND HE SAID, YOU GUYS ARE, HE, HE SAID 130 BUCKS WON'T EVEN BAT AN EYE AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO 130 BUCKS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I DON'T, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME PEOPLE, YOU GOTTA HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME IF YOU GET EVERYTHING FOR FREE BECAUSE THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING YOUR WAY AND YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING OUT, OUT OF THE ORDINARY, THEY'RE NOT EVERY TAXPAYER'S PAYING.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S 125 OR 130.
I'LL LET THE, THE GUYS THAT DO THAT COME TO THAT DETERMINATION.
BUT I DON'T THINK $130 IS UNREASONABLE.
I JUST DON'T THINK NO, IT COULD BE $150 AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT, WHATEVER IT IS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE COUNTY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO GET THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT $130 I GUESS BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE TO BUST PEOPLE JUST I DON'T EITHER.
JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T, LET'S PUT SKIN IN THE GAME.
SO WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS SCRATCH THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF GO BACK AND FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING FROM THE BERKELEY GROUP TO PUT SOME MORE CONTROLS AROUND THE SUBSEQUENT SUBMISSIONS.
AND, AND THEN WRITE A NEW POLICY.
WHAT, WHAT WERE THESE CONTROLS? IF YOU, IF YOU JUST WANNA KEEP NO, I CHANGED MY MIND.
EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, IT, IT COSTS MORE AND MORE AND MORE FOR YOU TO CHANGE YOUR MIND.
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AND THEY HAVE INCREMENTALLY YOU'RE GONNA RAISE IT FOR IT, GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME YOU GOT IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.THE FIRST CORRECTION WOULD BE X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND X PLUS FOR EACH ADDITIONAL ONE.
YOU GO TO YOUR DESIGN PEOPLE, YOUR ARCHITECT, IT'S GOTTA BE RIGHT WHEN WE GO BACK THE SECOND TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK SIX MORE TIMES BECAUSE THERE ARE FEES LIKE THIS AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING, I DON'T CARE.
I'LL PAY THAT 150 BUCKS MAKE, BUT YOU MAKE IT 1500 GOOD EXPEDITION, IT'LL START HITTING 'EM HARD.
AND, AND SO THE FIRST TIME I GIVE 'EM THE FIRST TIME WE CAN SAVE FREE THE SECOND TIME.
THEN IT'S GONNA BE, EH, WHAT, WHAT $130 DOLLARS IF THERE'S, IF THAT'S DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, MAKE IT 500 BUCKS AND THEN THE NEXT TIME A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IF YOU DO THAT, BUT I MEAN YOU GOTTA HAVE A HAVE A, I MEAN GRADUATED SCALE SOMETHING, I MEAN A MISTAKE, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A CHANGE ORDER THAT COMES THROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO'S PERFECT AND ROGER, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEGINNING TO END.
JUST FILE 'EM UP AND THEN BRING 'EM ALL IN ONE TIME BECAUSE THAT THEY COULD DO, YOU'RE GOTTA PAY FOR IT.
SO IT JUST MAKES THEM THINK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO THINK THEY, EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET A RIGHT, RIGHT OUT THE CASE.
SO ONE AMENDMENT, OKAY, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STRUCK, BUT THEN COME BACK TO US WITH AN IDEA ON IF THEY KEEP COMING BACK TO US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA IN SYNTHESIZE THEM TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND NOT WHERE WE'RE IN Y'ALL LIFE.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ADD MORE STAFF TO ADDRESS ALL THE CHANGES.
I WANT THEM TO GET IT RIGHT FROM THE GET GO CLOSE TO HER.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT STRUCK AND THEN COME UP.
SO JUST NOTING, UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THE $130 FEE FOR AMENDMENTS TO APPROVE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WE WE HAVE THAT FOR SITE PLANS RIGHT NOW.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I I DON'T DON'T, I'M I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT CHANGES.
DON'T JUST THESE, YOU GOT WHAT YOU GOT? WE ALWAYS ADDRESS THAT LATER, BUT OKAY.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
SIR, ARE WE DONE, ARE WE DONE WITH THE WHOLE THING OR ARE WE JUST COMING BACK FOR A SMORE? OR CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ONES WE FIRST STARTED WITH? WE CAN GO WHEREVER YOU WANT.
WE GOT AN ISSUE WITH THE FIRST ONE.
HEY, THE FIRST ONE I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, UH, DOUG'S PERSPECTIVE AND WHY HE OFFERED THAT.
BUT THE 80,000 SQUARE FEET, I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
WITH ALL THESE DEMANDS ON AN 80, 80,000 SQUARE FOOT IS, IS A GROCERY STORE.
SO WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT PART, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE THIS EXPANDING THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR, IF WE CAN'T DO 80,000 SQUARE FEET, THEN THAT'S A STORE IN HERE THEN I, I MEAN THAT'S CRAZY.
BUT I, I, I GUESS I WOULD JACK THAT THING UP TO 200,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW YOU, NOW YOU GOT, AND THAT'S A CUMULATIVE, NOT JUST THE STORE ITSELF, BUT IT'S LIKE ALL THE LITTLE STORES THAT ARE HOOKED TO A SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING, BUT 80,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD PUT 200,000 IN HERE BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE.
AT SOME POINT YOU'RE INTRODUCING A LOT MORE.
AND YOU NEED TO EXPAND YOUR STUDY.
IS IT AT 80,000, 200,000 RIGHT NOW? THERE'S NOTHING.
SO I WANTED, I THINK OF NO I WANT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND BECAUSE I THINK OF KILN CREEK.
NOW I DON'T THINK HOW MANY PLACES WE'RE GONNA PUT A KILN CREEK TYPE OF UH, YOU KNOW, BREEDEN'S, THAT'S BREEDEN SHOPPING CENTER IN THERE.
AND PEOPLE STARTED ADDING TO IT AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT UM, AND THEY GOT IT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE EXPRESSWAY.
EVERYTHING'S PERFECT FOR THAT.
BUT THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE OLD, UH, WHAT'S THE COASTAL COMMUNITY CHURCH THERE? COASTAL CHURCH CHURCH USED TO BE FOUR SQUARE FEET BASICALLY.
AND I DON'T, I JUST SAY IT'S RIDICULOUS TO HAVE, HAVE TO GO INTO ALL THESE STUDIES FOR JUST 80,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THAT'S JUST NOT THAT BIG.
AND IS THAT JUST COMMERCIAL OR ANYTHING? IT'S ANYTHING.
I MEAN, I MEAN EVERYTHING BUT TWO BY 200,000 SQUARE FEET COVERED.
SO WE'RE CHANGING THE 80,000 TO HUNDRED THOUSAND.
ADMINISTRATOR'S RECOMMENDATION TO 200,000.
ALRIGHT, WELL THERE'S NOTHING EXISTS TODAY, SO THIS IS ESTABLISHING IT SO, RIGHT.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE MESSAGE.
ANYTHING ELSE? GOOD? I'M GOOD.
THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR EFFORTS HERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A DAUNTING TASK TO MAKE ALL MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES AND SO I APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME GETTING INTO THIS AND CLEAN THIS UP AND MODERNIZE IT FOR US.
AND ALSO THIS PRESENTATION WITH THE TABLES WAS REALLY WELL DONE AND MADE A WHOLE LOT EASIER DIGEST AND JUST GOING THROUGH LINE BY LINE BEFORE.
SO GOOD JOB WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR YOU BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT YOU CAN HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU HAD TABLED FROM THE LAST TIME.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THE, OF THE CHARGE FOR CHANGE ORDERS? YOU
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SAID TO STRIKE THAT.STRIKE THAT AND COME BACK LATER.
AND YOU GUYS GONNA COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO ESCALATE, HOW TO MANAGE THAT BETTER LIKE IDEA? YEP.
IT WON'T BE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
BECAUSE IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD TO DISCUSS WITH THE BERKELEY GROUP TOO.
ALRIGHT, WELL AGAIN, THANK Y'ALL.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
TO CONSENT CALENDAR.WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND ITEM FOUR PURCHASE, UH, RESOLUTION OF A SINGLE AXLE DUMP TRUCK.
UM, ANYBODY WANT ANYTHING PULLED? DISCUSS SEPARATELY?
[4. Purchase Resolution of a Single-Axle Dump Truck: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-143 to authorize the County Administrator to make purchase arrangements for the replacement of a single-axle dump truck from Norfolk Truck Center, Incorporated. a. Memorandum form County Administrator b. Proposed Resolution R24-143]
I'D LIKE NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSS SEPARATELY.I'D LIKE FURTHER EXPLANATION AND I HAD SAID MARK A REQUEST TO OKAY.
SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO WE HAVE, UH, WITH US TONIGHT, SO SCOTT ASHWORTH, THE ASSISTANT, UH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS HERE AS WELL AS JOHN JOSH GREEN.
THE, UH, FLEET MANAGER'S HERE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
SO TO START OFF, UH, TO 2012, UH, INTERNATIONAL 7,300, THE UNIT CURRENTLY HAS 73,509 MILES AND 4,900 ENGINE HOURS.
UM, THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH ISSUES.
IT'S ON A 12 YEAR REPLACEMENT CYCLE AND WE'RE IN YEAR 12 MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT'S BEEN PLAGUED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH METAL IN THE OIL AND WE'VE BEEN KEEPING IT GOING ALONG.
UM, WHAT IS THE TRUCK USED FOR? IT IS A, THIS IS, I LIKEN THIS TO THE ME THE, THE MEDICAL UNIT FOR SEWER.
SO
IT'S, UM, THIS ONE IS NOT DESIGNED AS WELL AS THE ONE WE'RE GONNA, THE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THIS ONE WITH.
IT CAN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT A A ONE SHOT ONE ONE SHOT DOES IT ALL.
WE CAN LOAD MATERIAL IN THE BED.
IT'S SAME SIZE TRUCK, JUST HEAVIER DUTY IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE IT WITH.
UM, IT CAN HAUL THE TRAILER AND EXCAVATOR.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TAKING TWO VEHICLES TO EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL REPAIR.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE HAS HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, NOT STARTING.
THIS IS IN JUST IN THE PAST YEAR.
SO, UM, AND OUR FLEET MANAGER WAS, UH, JOSH WAS TELLING ME THIS MORNING THAT IT IS BECOMING A VIEWED AS UNRELIABLE THIS VEHICLE.
SO IS IT A, IS IT A DIESEL OR A GAS? IT'S A DIESEL WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND THEN WHAT WE REPLACED WITH IS A DIESEL AS WELL.
JUST A, A HIGHER HORSEPOWER MOTOR.
SO LET ME ASK YOU, UH, IF, IF IT CAN DOUBLE UP DUAL ROLL, IS THIS GONNA ELIMINATE A FUTURE VEHICLE? WE STILL, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TWO VEHICLES.
THEY HAVE A, A SINGLE AXLE DUMP TRUCK AND A TANDEM AXLE DUMP TRUCK, WHICH CAN HANDLE LARGE FOR A LARGER PROJECT CAN HANDLE THE LARGE AMOUNT OF, OF STONE THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, THE SINGLE AXLE IS NOT ABLE TO TOW AS WELL.
IT CAN'T PULL THE EXCAVATOR IN THE TRAILER.
UM, SO FOR A SMALLER JOB THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO US WHERE WE'RE SENDING A JUST A TWO MAN CREW OUT AND THEY CAN TAKE ONE VEHICLE.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO TAKE TWO VEHICLES EVEN FOR A SMALLER JOB.
SO DID I MISUNDERSTAND YOU SAYING THIS NEW ONE COULD DO ALL THOSE THINGS? THE NEW ONE IS DESIGNED TO DO THAT.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO VEHICLES, YOU HAVE ONE.
WELL, FOR A SMALLER, FOR SMALLER JOBS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ROLL TWO VEHICLES INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ROLL TWO VEHICLES TO A SMALL JOB BECAUSE WE STILL NEED THE TANDEM.
AND THE TANDEM IS 16 YEARS OLD, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU STILL NEED TWO, TWO TRUCKS OF EACH.
SO FOR LARGER PROJECTS, WE'RE STILL GONNA NEED TWO TRUCKS.
'CAUSE WE, IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO HANDLE THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF, OF STONE OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE WANNA BRING OUT THERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE ALLEVIATING.
ARE WE ALLEVIATING A VEHICLE OR WE JUST REPLACING IT AT THE MOMENT? NO.
OR NOT? WE'RE, WE'RE JUST UPGRADING THE ONE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW CANNOT TOW, UH, THE TRAILER AND EXCAVATE AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE LOAD IN THE BACK.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO HAVE THE TANDEM AXLE TOW THE EQUIPMENT WHILE THEY TAKE THE LOAD OUT.
THE SMALLER VEHICLE COULD FIT IN SMALLER PLACES, THE TANDEM CANNOT FIT, REPLACE THE, TRYING TO KEEP, SORRY.
AND YOU'RE HAVING A HISTORY OF MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS, CORRECT? YES.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING TO GET? UH, IT'S THE SAME SIZE, SINGLE AXLE.
WE'RE GONNA GET A, UM, AN L NINE CUMMINS ENGINE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 2 60, 200 HORSEPOWER.
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IT'S GONNA GO UPGRADE TO A 300 HORSEPOWER, 1100 POUND FOOT POUNDS OF TORQUE.SO IT CAN TOW THE VEHICLE, SAME SIZE.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA UPGRADE THE BOX A BIT SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE THEIR, UH, CAPABILITIES.
SO THEY, I KNOW, UH, LAN'S CREW DOES ROAD REPAIRS, SO THEY'RE GONNA ADD SOME, UH, SHOOTS OUT THE BACK SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO ASPHALT REPAIRS AS WELL.
UM, THIS TRUCK CAN ALSO, THEY CAN UTILIZE THIS TRUCK TO, UM, USE THE EXCAVATOR AND GRAB THE MATERIAL OUT OF THE BACK OF THE SINGLE AXLE.
RIGHT NOW, WITH A TANDEM, THEY CANNOT, SO THEY'RE KEEPING THE JOBS CLEANER INSTEAD OF DUMPING A LOAD AND HAVING TO CLEAN IT BACK UP AGAIN.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE KEEPING IT AS A SMALLER VEHICLE FOR THOSE SMALLER JOB SITES.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO NOT USING THEM, YOU'RE NOT ADDING MAINTENANCE TO THE LARGER VEHICLE BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING TWO CARS OUT OF THE JOB.
WELL SAY LESS, LESS ROAD TIME, MOTOR TIME ON THE BIG TRUCK.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BOOM OR ANYTHING BUILT INTO THIS TRUCK.
IS THERE STRAIGHT DUMP TRUCKS? NOW? THE EXCAVATOR CAN DRAW MATERIAL OUT OF THE SMALLER TRUCK EASIER AND IT CAN'T, THE, THE TANDEM DECIDE ARE TOO HIGH AND IT JUST, YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE TO, TO GET IT.
SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO DUMP THE MATERIAL ON SITE AND THEN WORK IT.
UM, AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GET A TANDEM INTO A SITE.
UM, IT'S JUST A, IT'S 50 FEET LONG, JUST THE, JUST THE TRUCK.
NOW I'M PREPARED TO, UH, MOVE IT BACK INTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
I'M PREPARED TO, UH, JUST THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.
CAN I, ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION? I'M SO MOVED.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO IMPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? NOTHING TONIGHT.
[OPEN DISCUSSION]
I'LL START TO MY, MY LEFT.OKAY, MS.
SHE DIDN'T ATTEND
I, I CONGRATULATE, UH, UH, CELEBRATE YORK COUNTY, UH, COMMITTEE FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO AND, AND THE WORK OF THE COUNTY TO, UH, TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
AND, UH, WAYNE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED ON, UH, THE BERKELEY GROUP.
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO TO EACH OF US, UH, HAVE DISCUSSION AND INTERVIEW WITH THE BERKELEY GROUP.
THAT WAS A FOLLOW UP FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE WE FELT THAT THERE, UH, SHOULD AT LEAST BE SOME ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE SUPERVISORS.
AND I THANK YOU FOR SETTING THAT UP AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT BERKELEY.
UH, GROUP WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH THEM, SHARE BACK AND FORTH.
SO I APPRECIATE MARK GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, NOT TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU GET TO SEE THE VIRGINIA ORCHESTRA FOR FREE, AND, UH, I MISSED THAT ONE, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS PREOCCUPIED IN ANOTHER EVENT, SO, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
YEAH, I ATTENDED, UM, I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR THE NASA ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS ALL NOW PART OF RUMPA.
UM, MET THE, UH, ACTING DIRECTOR, UM, BEL I THINK, SAY THAT HER NAME.
AND, UH, SHE'S HOLDING THE FORT DOWN UNTIL THEY, THEY MAKE A DETERMINATION ON, UH, WHEN, UH, CLAYTON WILL COME BACK OR HE'LL GET ASSIGNED TO ONE OF THE FIVE DIRECTORATES IN NASA.
UM, BUT WE WENT OVER SOME INFORMATION.
UM, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, UM, WE HAVE 1800 CIVIL SERVANTS OUT THERE AT THE, IN, IN NASA.
WE HAVE 1700 ON ONSITE CONTRACTORS, AND THEY HAVE 410 STUDENTS AND, UH, VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, ASPECTS OF ENGINEERING, WHATEVER.
AND NOW THE BUDGET IS, UH, WAS, UH, WAS 24 FOR THIS YEAR WAS 20 BY 24 BILLION, A LITTLE OVER 24 BILLION, AND NOW IT'S GOING UP TO ABOUT 26 BILLION.
UH, LANGLEY, UH, NASA HERE GETS ABOUT, UH, ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 900 MILLION SOMETHING.
UM, SO IT IS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SHOW AND TELL AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON SOME PIECE OF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN, UM, IN THE, UM, AEROSPACE INDUSTRY AND IN THE, UM, IN SITE AND SPACE INDUSTRY.
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OF THE THINGS, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXPAND THEIR, UH, CUSTOMER BASE.UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS WHEN, WHEN AVIATION STARTED OFF HERE, UH, IT WAS, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, THIS WAS A GREAT PLACE.
THEY HAD THE WIND TUNNELS AND ALL THAT, AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO VERTICAL WIND TUNNELS.
AND THEY'RE BUILDING THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY, BUT THEY STILL GOTTA HAVE REASON TO DO THESE THINGS.
UM, UH, THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UH, EXPANDED BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND THEY BE ABLE TO CAPTURE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE, IN THE NA NATIONALLY THAT THEY CAN BRING OUR INTERNATIONALLY THAT THEY CAN BRING DOWN HERE TOO.
UM, AND THERE'S, UH, THEY TALKED A LOT, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, LEVERAGING OUR REGIONAL STRENGTHS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT UNIVERSITIES, AND WE HAVE ALSO A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TECHNICAL BACKGROUNDS THAT COME IN TO THIS AREA.
AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE, MANY OF US KNOW FIRSTHAND, THEY LIKE TO LIVE IN YORK COUNTY.
UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN A NICE THING.
ANYWAY, IT, IT WAS, UM, UH, THE OTHER THING THEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS INVESTMENT IN THE WORKFORCE.
IT, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE TALK ABOUT JOBS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT, WHATEVER, WHICH IS NOT TOO BAD.
BUT THE, THE THING IS, THERE'S JOBS ARE OUT THERE THAT REALLY REQUIRE A LOT OF TECHNICAL SKILL AND, UM, AND THEY JUST CAN'T FIND THE, CAN'T FIND THE FOLKS THAT DO IT.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING TO GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND BRING THOSE PEOPLE IN HERE TO, UH, TO WORK.
UM, SO ANYWAY, IT'S, UH, IF WE DO, WE THINK ABOUT PROTECTING OUR ASSETS THAT ARE HERE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HARAM FUND, WHY WE PARTICIPATE IN IT.
I TELL YOU, JUST LOSING A BASE IS BE DEVASTATING TO THIS, TO THIS COMMUNITY.
OKAY? WE HAVE, UH, A LOT IN VIRGINIA.
UH, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND A LOT OF MONEY GETS PAID.
IT GETS DUMPED HERE IN THIS STATE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE WERE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT LOSING A CARRIER, WHICH CAME, WHICH ACTUALLY DROVE US TO CREATE AFA.
BUT, UH, THEY COME IN, THOSE, THOSE SPA THEY'RE SPENDING OVER, YOU KNOW, UH, ALMOST SO MANY IN SO MANY SOME CASES IT'S SEVEN, $800 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE THAT COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY JUST ON, ON A SINGLE BASE.
WE HAVE THE COAST GUARD STATION HERE.
WE GOT THE NAVAL WEAPON STATION, RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
AND THEN WE GOT THE FEDERAL PARK SERVICE HERE.
THE CIAS AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE.
UH, THE FBI, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
WE GOT, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON HERE IN OUR AREA.
UH, FINALLY I WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON THE FLASH VOTE THAT WE'VE, YOU, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
THE FLASH VOTE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, TO ME IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS I'VE EVER SEEN TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE, TO SERVE, UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY IN ELECTED POSITIONS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
WE TALK ABOUT A LOT ABOUT, UM, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC.
FLASH VOTES ONE OF THE EASIEST THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN.
AND, UH, UH, THE COUNTY NOW HAS IT IN OPERATION.
I SAW OUR FIRST ONE, IT WAS ON, UH, REGIONAL BUS, I MEAN, ON NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES.
UH, I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, BUT I SHOULDN'T BEEN AT, AT, AT THE, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 440 PEOPLE SIGNED UP.
UH, AND IF YOU SIGNED UP, YOU'RE BEEN INVITED.
OKAY? YOU'RE BEING INVITED TO GET TO PARTICIPATE IN A SURVEY.
AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW OUR BOARD OPERATES, THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST WAYS I'VE EVER SEEN.
IN FACT, I INVITE EVERYBODY TO GIVE US IDEAS ON SUBJECTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, US, UH, THINK ABOUT, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
COULD IT BE, COULD BE ON, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY.
COULD BE PARKS AND RECREATION, COULD BE TAXES, COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, WATERFRONT PROPERTY, UH, WETLANDS.
YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF, BUT IN THE, UH, THE SURVEYS WE PROVIDE, THE SURVEY, WE SEND IT TO, I GUESS THE COMPANY'S CALLED FLASH VOTE, RIGHT? AND WE'VE SENT IT TO THEM.
THEY CREATE THE SCIENTIFIC SURVEY OF FIVE QUESTIONS.
THEY SEND IT OUT TO THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
OKAY? AND I'M GONNA MAKE THE DISTINCTION HERE BETWEEN SIGNING UP AND GETTING IT SECONDHAND, OKAY? IF YOU SIGNED UP, YOU'RE, AND THEN YOUR VOTE COMES IN.
IT COMES IN AS PART OF A, A SCIENTIFIC STUDY, A STATISTIC, UH, PRODUCTION IF YOU WILL.
UM, IF YOU GET IT SECONDHAND AND YOU COME IN, IT'S IN, IT'S OF INTEREST, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE ACTUAL VOTE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU SIGN UP, YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS.
AND WHAT THEY DO, UM, IN THIS PROCESS, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT, IT'S NOT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE SELF-APPOINTED
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FEW COME UP FOR IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND MAKE NOISE ABOUT A ISSUE.IT COULD BE JUST ONE DISTRICT, IT COULD BE TWO DISTRICTS.
AND THIS CASE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GETTING A SCIENTIFIC, UH, RESPONSE FROM A, FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S PARSED OUT, IT'S PARSED OUT, UH, UM, IN A MANNER THAT WE WILL, IT WILL BE BALANCED.
AND WE HEAR FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS.
SO ALL THE DISTRICTS NEED TO PARTICIPATE.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SIGN UP ONLINE NOW.
UH, AND THAT WILL COME AND YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN DECIDE HOW YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE.
DO YOU WANT TO GET THE SURVEY BY TEXT, EMAIL, WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND IT'S JUST A, JUST A, AND THIS IS THE ONE PART THAT CAUGHT ME BY SURPRISE.
IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR 48 HOURS WHEN THE QUESTION COMES OUT.
IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR 48 HOURS BECAUSE ONCE THAT SHUTS DOWN, IT'S DOWN.
OKAY? SO WHEN YOU GIVE THEM THE ADDRESS TO WHICH YOU WANT TO BE NOTIFIED, YOU BETTER BE ONE THAT
OKAY? UM, BUT IT'S JUST A TREMENDOUS TOOL FOR THE SUPERVISORS AND, UH, THE RESULTS.
THE FIVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S GOING, UH, I THINK IT'S ONLINE.
AND IF YOU DID SIGN UP, YOU WILL GET A EMAIL DIRECTLY WITH THE INFORMATION RESULTS SO YOU'LL KNOW HOW THE RESULTS CAME OUT.
IT'S JUST, JUST A GREAT TOOL AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THIS.
'CAUSE I WANT THIS, WE'LL REALLY BE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND YEAH, BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO SIGN UP.
AND THAT WOULD, LIKE, I WOULD, MY, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND AT LEAST.
UH, I HAVE TWO THINGS FOR THE BOARD AND THEN WHEN I'M DONE WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK CHIEF KAZINSKI COME UP AND GIVE US 30 SECONDS ON THE RAVE, UH, LAUNCH OR WHOEVER'S BEST
BUT ANYWAY, TWO THINGS FOR THE BOARD.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'RE SITTING HERE FOR SEPTEMBER, BUT IF I DID MY MATH RIGHT, WE'RE ONLY GONNA GET TOGETHER SIX MORE TIMES BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO IF WE'VE GOT SIX MORE MEETINGS TO FINISH UP, FINISH, FINISH UP EVERYTHING WE STARTED THIS YEAR.
UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE MAYBE DONE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES, BUT WE GOT HPB STILL.
WE GOT LANDSCAPING AND I'M SURE THERE'S SOME OTHER BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING ON AGENDAS TO, TO DRIVE, TO DRIVE TO THAT POINT.
UM, AND ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS I THINK WILL END UP BEING THE JOINT SESSION.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SCHOOLS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO REALLY ONLY FIVE MEETINGS A WORD TO GET TOGETHER TO, TO DO WORK LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE AGENDA TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE ALL THAT, GET EVERYTHING ACCOMPLISH IF WE NEED TO AND, AND WORKING AND RELATING TO THE, UM, THE JOINT SESSION.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE AGENDA WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO WE'LL HAVE SOME MARCHING ORDER SIT DOWN AND TALK TO, UM, FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL AS WELL TO HELP US DEVELOP THAT AGENDA.
WHAT DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT? WE GET TOGETHER IN THE SCHOOL.
WE HAD A PRELIMINARY DRAFT AGENDA WE, WE WROTE UP WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER THE FIRST TIME.
BUT WE WANNA GET THAT FINALIZED, GET THAT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THEY'LL HAVE THEIR IDEAS TO TALK ABOUT AND WE'LL HAVE TO DISTILL THAT DOWN AND WE CAN GET THROUGH IN A COUPLE HOURS.
'CAUSE I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN WE CAN POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT.
BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE THE COUPLE OF BIG TICKET ITEMS WE HAVE.
YOU WANT THAT INPUT SENT TO YOU? HOW, WHY DON'T WE SEND IT ALL TO YOU THAT WAY WHEN THERE'S LIKE STUFF YOU CAN JUST YEAH.
I, I FORMED THAT, I FORMED THAT IN A PHRASE FOR QUESTION, BUT THAT WAS REALLY JUST
SO WITH THAT CHIEF, YOU WANT TO COME KIND OF GIVE US 30 SECONDS ON, ON THIS LAUNCH OF THE NEW PROGRAM AND WHY WE SHOULD SIGN UP FOR IT.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL ASK TERRY TO COME UP AS WELL, BUT, UH, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, UH, LAST WEEK OR EARLIER THIS WEEK, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, AS WELL AS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY AND TERRY HALL, AND I'M ONE, ONE COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER, ANNOUNCED THE, THE INITIATION OF A PROGRAM CALLED RAVE YORK COUNTY.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXPANSION OF WHAT WE USED TO CALL YORK ALERT, BUT IT'S USED FOR NOTIFICATIONS, ALL KINDS OF NOTIFICATIONS, WHETHER THERE'S SIGNIFICANT PRI CRIME OCCURRING IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
UH, THINGS LIKE, UH, NOTIFICATIONS DURING DISASTERS OF, OF EVACUATIONS OF AN AREA, UM, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND, AND IT IS, IT'S, IT'S REALLY YORK ALERT ON STEER ROLL.
I'D ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO GO AND LOOK AT THE, UH, OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, COUNTY FACEBOOK PAGE AS WELL AS, UH, THE WEBSITES.
AND YOU CAN SEE A QUICK, UH, SNIPPET VIDEO ABOUT THE RAVE PROGRAM.
BUT IT'S A SUBSCRIPTION, IT'S A PROGRAM WHERE YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR IT, SO YOU HAVE TO OPT IN SO YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW,
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WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY TO OPT INTO THAT.AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO EVEN LIVE IN THE COUNTY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
LET'S JUST SAY THAT, UH, YOU HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT WANT TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR COUNTY.
BUT I DUNNO IF TERRY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FANTASTIC, UH, PROGRAM THAT, UH, IS RUN THROUGH OUR 9 1 1 CENTER.
BUT IT SUPPORTS ALL OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER PROGRAMS IN YORK COUNTY, UH, NOT JUST FOR EMERGENCY EVACUATIONS OR CRIMES OR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS RELEASES, BUT A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, AVENUES, UH, THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR.
OH, THERE, HE GIVES THE TECHNICAL SIDE.
UM, SO IF I'M LOOKING FOR A REASON TO DO THIS, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BLOW UP MY PHONE.
ALL, UH, ALL THE ALERTS ARE YOU, YOU, YOU CAN OPT IN FOR VARIOUS ASPECTS, DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT TO IDENTIFY WHAT YOU WANNA RECEIVE, RIGHT? UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DON'T WANNA RECEIVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU, YOU CAN KIND OF, YOU'VE GOT A MENU OF ITEMS. NOW WE, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN UP, PARTICULARLY IF YOU LIVE IN LIKE A HURRICANE RISK AREA OF THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, SIGN UP FOR EVACUATION OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE IN SEAFORD OR YOU LIVE IN DARE OR, OR, BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET DIG, ARE WE GOING, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS PLUS THE WEATHER ALERTS.
AND SO I DON'T WANT MY PHONE TO BECOME A SQUEAKY TOY, LIKE YOU GIVE THE DOG RUNNING AND, AND I GOT THE SAME BLOWING UP ALL THE TIME AT NIGHT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE WAS SOME LIMITATION.
WE, WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT FOR CERTAIN THINGS.
UH, AND YOUR WEATHER ALERTS, ACTUALLY, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN UP THROUGH THE, THE FEDERAL, UH, WEATHER NOTIFICATION NOTIFICATION SYSTEM AS WELL.
BUT HERE'S, WELL, HERE'S THE OTHER PART THOUGH.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF YOU SIGN UP AND YOU CAN PUT ALL THIS INFORMATION, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND PERSONAL INFORMATION YOU CAN PUT IN THERE.
OKAY? ONE, IT'S GONNA BE SAFE, BUT TWO, THAT WHEN A NINE ONE ONE CALL COMES IN, THAT INFORMATION POPS UP.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PART OF THE EMERGENCY, IT COULD BE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, IT COULD BE FIRES THE HOUSE ON FIRE, HOW MANY KIDS, THERE ARE PEOPLE YOU GOT IN THE HOUSE, SOMEBODY'S CONVALESCENT TYPE OF PERSON, UH, OR YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR, OR SOMETHING AND YOU'RE ON THESE DRUGS.
ALL THAT INFORMATION COULD BE, CAN BE CONTAINED IN IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE USING THE HEADS UP TO SURE.
SO I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT IS, UH, TO POINT OF FRAME GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT, WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO DO, IT'LL DO THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WANT.
AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MR. SHEPHERD.
IF YOU ONLY WANNA KNOW WEATHER ALERTS, YOU CAN CHECK WEATHER ALERTS.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW 30 DIFFERENT ALERTS, YOU CAN CHECK 30 DIFFERENT ALERTS.
AND IF YOU DECIDE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS WEATHER ALERT AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING BECAUSE THE TORNADO'S BEEN SPOTTED, THE NEXT DAY WHEN YOU GET UP, YOU ROLL AROUND AND YOU UNCLICK IT AND YOU CAN CHANGE IT AT WILL.
I GUESS THE BEST ANALOGY, UH, MY DEPUTY DIRECTOR VACATIONS IN THE OUTER BANKS, WHEN SHE TRAVELS DOWN THERE, SHE WANTS TO KNOW IF IT'S SAFE FOR THE KIDS TO GO IN THE WATER.
SO WHEN SHE TRAVELS, SHE TURNS IT ON.
WHEN SHE LEAVES, SHE TURNS IT OFF.
THIS SYSTEM IS JUST LIKE THAT.
THINK ABOUT THE VISITORS WE HAVE IN THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE AREA WHERE THEY CAN COME IN HERE, SIGN UP FOR ALERTS, AND THEN TURN IT BACK OFF.
IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PROGRAM, UH, WAS JUST SHOWING THE CHIEF, UH, OUR, UH, PERSON THAT, MAN, THIS FOR ME JUST SHOWED US THAT AS A, IT WAS LAUNCHED LAST WEDNESDAY.
WE'VE HAD 9,112 PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR IT, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE SIGNING UP FOR ALL OF THE ALERTS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO IN AND TONE THEM DOWN WHENEVER THEY WANT TO OR ADD TO 'EM.
AND WE, AS THE COUNTY WILL BE ADDING ADDITIONAL ALERTS.
I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, WHEN BRIAN WOODWARD WAS HERE, WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE SEWER LIST STATIONS.
SO WE PUT A SPECIAL ONE ON THE YORK ALERT WHERE WE HAVE A SPECIAL ONE ON THIS ONE.
SO WE COULD DEVELOP THESE THINGS ON THE FLY AND DO ANNOUNCEMENTS.
AND THE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MR. SHEPHERD, ANYBODY WHO BUYS A NEW IPHONE, APPLE OR IOS, EITHER ONE, YOU REGISTER YOURSELF WITH YOUR, UH, CRITICAL INFORMATION IN CASE ANYBODY SHOULD FIND YOUR PHONE ON YOU WHEN YOU DIAL 9 1 1, THE DISPATCHER NOW WILL SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN.
SO IT DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE HOUSE UNLESS YOU PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT IT TELLS NEX OF KIN NOTIFICATION, MEDICAL ALLERGIES, ANYTHING THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU REGISTER IT, THE DISPATCHERS WILL NOW SEE.
WE WILL BE LAUNCHING OUR NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1 SOLUTION OCTOBER NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE LAUNCHED AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
WHAT ABOUT THE OLDER IPHONES? THE OLDER IPHONES? UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY OLD ONES THAT YOU CAN REGISTER NOW THAT EVEN
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PROCESS CALLS, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THAT YOU REGISTER THAT WHEN YOU CHECK INTO IT.SO, BUT FOR YEARS, I MEAN, WE ESTABLISHED WHAT WAS CALLED HEADS UP 30 PLUS YEARS AGO.
OR YOU CAN REGISTER YOURSELF THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT DIFFICULTY MOVING THROUGHOUT YOUR HOUSE AND YOU RESIDE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, OR YOU'RE BEDRIDDEN OR YOU'VE GOT POWER DEPENDENT, POWER DEPENDENT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
WE MAINTAIN, UH, IN THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER FOR ANYBODY THAT REGISTERS THAT AND THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
CHIEF, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES, WE HAVE INFORMATION IN HEADS UP FOR SOCIAL SERVICE OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE OTHER TOOLS THAT A DISPATCHER WILL HAVE IN THEIR TOOLBOX AND IT'S AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY HAS BEEN BEHIND THIS PROGRAM SINCE CONCEPTION, UH, AND THE, THE FIRE CHIEF HAS HIS ZONE AND WE HAVE OUR OWN TWO SO WE CAN ACTIVATE 'EM, UH, 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND PIO HAS THEM THAT THEY CAN ACTIVATE YOU.
SO HOW ARE PEOPLE, HOW ARE PEOPLE SIGNING UP? I SAW THE, I THINK FROM THE COUNTY THE NOTICE AND I CLICKED ON IT.
ALL IT DID WAS TAKE ME TO, I'M SORRY, AN EMAIL.
I'M, IT TAKES YOU TO AN EMAIL, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EMAIL, THERE'S A LINK THAT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE APP AND YOU CAN FILL THAT OUT RIGHT ON THE APP.
I'D BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.
ALL IT WAS LIKE, YOU'RE SENDING AN EMAIL, THAT'S ALL IT IS.
THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR YOU.
IT'S MAINTAINED BY OUR STAFF TOO.
WHEN YOU CALL IT, YOU LEAVE A VOICEMAIL AND SOMEBODY WILL CALL YOU BACK AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE, THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE WERE AWARE OF, THE FIRST DAY WHEN WE TURNED IT ON, WE HAD, I'LL CALL IT A LITTLE SOFTWARE GLITCH, WHERE PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO UPDATE THEIR INFORMATION THAT USED TO BE ON YORK ALERT, THE LINK DIDN'T WORK.
SO YOU MAY HAVE CLICKED IN, IN THAT FOUR HOUR PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE LAUNCHED THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD THAT GLITCH.
BEFORE WHEN YOU, IF YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY SIGNED UP FOR YORK ALERT, NOW, NOW WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION ANYWAY.
NOW THAT INFORMATION IS AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFERRED TO GRAVE ALERT.
SO, BUT WE STILL ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO BACK IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INFORMATION IS UPDATED, DATED, AND MAINTAINED.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU WERE ON YORK ALERT, YOU'RE NOW, YOU'RE NOW ON RAVE.
BUT AS, AS THE CHIEF JUST SAID, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO UPDATE THAT INFORMATION.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO UPDATE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IF NOT, WE DO IT MANUALLY ONCE A YEAR, WE CALL AND MANY TIMES HEADS UP, SOMEONE'S IN THERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CRITICALLY ILL, WE'LL CALL THEIR HOUSE AND SOMEBODY WILL SAY, WELL, WE'RE SORRY, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON HAS PASSED OR WHATEVER.
SO THIS IS A DATABASE THAT WE REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP UP TO DATE.
AND IT'S A USER FRIENDLY DATABASE.
THE FOLKS THAT HAVE LAUNCHED IT ARE, ARE REALLY DOING VERY WELL WITH IT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY TOOLS WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH AS PART OF THE REGIONAL 9 1 1 UPDATE THAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, MR. BELLAMY, MAYBE WE CAN GET AN UPDATE FOR THEM AFTER THE LAUNCH AND LET 'EM SEE WHAT, WHAT CAPABILITIES WE HAVE.
I WANT TO GIVE Y'ALL A MOMENT TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY.
SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WITH THAT, I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH OPEN DISCUSSION AND WE ARE READY TO MOVE TO CLOSED MEETING.
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MRS. NOLAN, CAN YOU TAKE US TO ENCLOSED MEETING PLEASE IN THE COURT OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING A DISCIPLINE, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 3 7 11, A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOS MEETING TWO, ONE, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, CONSULTANTS AND OR STAFF ON A MATTER OF ACTUAL LITIGATION IN WHICH THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED.
AND NUMBER THREE, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON A SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTER REQUIRED THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY COUNSEL.