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WELL, GOOD EVENING FOLKS.I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE AUGUST 20TH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING AND WELCOME EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
ALSO, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE SILENCED YOUR MOBILE DEVICES YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
AND CAN I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
AS USUAL, WE'LL START TONIGHT WITH OUR INVOCATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UM, REVEREND MEGAN COLLINS TO COME UP FROM ST.
LUKE, UH, UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
AND IF YOU COULD MAYBE GIVE US A FEW MOMENTS ON YOUR CHURCH AND PROGRAMS AND WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE, IT'D BE GREAT.
UH, MY NAME IS RAVEN MEGAN COLLINS, AS HE SHARED, I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN YORK COUNTY AND I HAVE BEEN AT ST.
I'M THE ASSOCIATE PASTOR THERE.
WE DO A LOT OF THINGS IN SERVICE WORK.
WE GO ON APPALACHIAN SERVICE PROJECT.
WE ALSO DO SERVICE PROJECTS AROUND YORK COUNTY AS WELL AS, UM, IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
AND ONE OF OUR EXCITING THINGS RIGHT NOW IS OUR PRESCHOOL IS GETTING READY TO START BACK UP FOR THE FALL SCHOOL YEAR.
AND SO, UH, WE ARE ALWAYS OPEN FOR ENROLLMENT AND WE PROVIDE A PRESCHOOL FROM NINE 30 TO 1230.
AND WE HAVE OUR WORSHIP SERVICES AT NINE 15 ON SUNDAY MORNING.
AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU WORSHIP WITH US.
DEAR GOD, WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND TO DISCUSS AND SHARE AND WORK TOGETHER.
I ASK THAT YOU GRANT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT AND AN OPEN MIND AND AN OPEN HEART TO WHAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM.
I ASK THAT YOU WORK WITH EACH AND EVERY PERSON IN THIS ROOM TO GUIDE THEM TO SPEAK THE WORDS THAT THEY NEED TO SPEAK AND TO LISTEN TO THOSE THAT ARE SHARING THEM.
AND WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THE PEOPLE OF YORK COUNTY AND CONTINUE TO BLESS THEM AND SUPPORT THEM IN THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US AND THROUGH US, AND IN SPITE OF US AS WE WORK FOR WHAT IS BEST FOR YORK COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, I ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THIS EVENING AS THEY LISTEN AND DISCERN THAT THEY MAY HAVE THE WISDOM THAT THEY NEED THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.
IN YOUR HOLY AND PRECIOUS NAME WE PRAY.
AND NOW WE'LL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
SO PLEASE STAND AS YOU'RE ABLE AND I'LL ASK MS. SHEILA, NOR YOU CAN LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND THE JUSTICE.
[1 Volunteer Service Recognition: Recognition of volunteers who have provided 20 or more years of dedicated service and commitment to York County. ]
ALRIGHT.TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, LITTLE SPECIAL RECOGNITION PROGRAM.
WE ARE GONNA RECOGNIZE TONIGHT SOME SPECIAL VOLUNTEERS WITH THE COUNTY, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR 24 OVER 20 YEARS EACH.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I THINK SYMBOLIZES YOUR COUNTY IS, UH, VOLUNTEERISM.
I THINK YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HASN'T DONE SOME VOLUNTEERISM TO SOME DEGREE OR NOT.
AND THE FOLKS HERE WE'RE GONNA RECOGNIZE TONIGHT KIND OF, KIND OF REALLY STANDS OUT WITH THAT AGAIN, WITH OVER 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY AND TO KIND OF DRIVE HOME WHAT THAT MEANS.
THEY'VE ACCUMULATED OVER $4,200 OF VOLUNTEERING AND IF YOU PUT THAT TO SOME MONEY, THAT'S OVER $135,000 OF TIME OF THEIR TIME THAT THEY DONATED.
SO WE WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM TONIGHT.
UM, I KNOW WE GOT SOME FOLKS HERE.
I HOPE EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA START OFF TONIGHT WITH, UM, GOT THESE IN ORDER, RIGHT? SO MR. JUNIOR COXTON, HERE'S OVER THERE.
SO COXTON, PLEASE JOIN US OVER HERE.
ALRIGHT, MR. COX, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AS OUR APPRECIATION OF WORKING WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND PLENTY OF OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES HERE IN THE COUNTY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH THAT.
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FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR FLOWER BED.I THINK WE WANNA DO A GROUP PHOTO WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
SO FOLKS, IF YOU'RE WITH US, UM, WE'RE GONNA DO A GROUP PHOTO AT THE END, SO DON'T GO AWAY JUST YET.
UH, NEXT UP TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE MR. VERNON LOCKWOOD.
MR. LOCKWOOD, LIKE LIKEWISE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, ESPECIALLY ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
TAKE YOUR, TAKE YOUR TIME WITH US AND SPENDING ALL THIS TIME HELPING US OUT.
ALRIGHT? AND THIS IS FOR YOU, YOU'RE CHALLENGE CORN TO REMEMBER THAT.
DON'T SPEND THAT ALL IN ONE PLACE AND FOR YOU AS WELL.
NEXT WE HAVE MS. MARY CLARK, MS. MARY CLARK, WE GOT YOU HERE FOR THE YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WORKING WITH US, BUT I ALSO KNOW YOU'VE BEEN AROUND, DO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
BUT TONIGHT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WORKING WITH US.
SO, ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I, SO WE'RE RECOGNIZING YOUR, YOUR SERVICE HERE WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE.
ONE THING WE NEED ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMITTEE, YOU SEE IT EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT.
SO, SO YOUR WORK IS, IS VERY APPARENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THERE FOR HELPING US THERE.
WE GOT A, UH, DYNAMIC DU COMING UP HERE NOW.
SO WE HAVE MS. BONNIE AK ALSO RECOGNIZING YOUR TIME WITH THE, UH, YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET, I'LL DO A LITTLE PITCH FOR YOU DOWNSTAIRS IN THE BASEMENT.
HAVE A NICE LITTLE MUSEUM THAT YOU CAN FIND HER AND HER HUSBAND AT PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TIME.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T CHECKED THAT OUT YET, CHECK IT OUT.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND AS WELL, OOPS.
JERRY AGAIN, ALSO, SAME THING.
YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
I KNOW YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWNSTAIRS WORK WORKING WITH BONNIE, TAKING CARE OF IT.
REALLY, REALLY NEAT LITTLE MUSEUM DOWN THERE.
AND I HOPE YOU GET A LOT MORE PEOPLE COME, COME CHECK YOU OUT NOW.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOU AND YOUR COIN.
YOU KNOW WHERE THEY GO, RIGHT?
MR. MCNAMARA, WE'RE HERE TO RECOGNIZE FOR YOUR TIME IN THE SENIOR CENTER, SENIOR CENTER OF YORK COUNTY, OR SE SENIOR CENTER OF YORK BOARD.
IT SERVES SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY UP HERE AT THE SENIOR CENTER CENTER AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS TOO.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME ON THAT BOARD.
AND I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL, I'LL CARRY THIS DOWN THERE FOR YOU.
NEXT WE HAVE MS. LOIS WINTER ALSO INTERRUPT.
ALSO HERE TO REPRESENT YOUR TIME SERVING WITH US ON THE YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE SERVING ON THE YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, IT IS YORK COUNTY AFTER ALL.
SO WE GOT A LOT OF HISTORY HERE, SO THANK YOU FOR
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YOUR TIME.AND FINALLY WE HAVE MR. TIMOTHY SMITH.
YES, TIM ALSO HERE FOR THE, UM, YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND SERVICE THERE TOO.
ESPECIALLY THE, THE, THE SPEECHES YOU GIVE AND, AND THE NARRATIVE YOU GIVE DURING THE, UM, DURING THE, THE VETERAN'S DAY AND, AND THE MEMORIAL DAY SERVICES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD.
YOU READY FOR THE PICTURES NOW? SO CAN I ASK ALL THE RECIPIENTS TO PLEASE COME OUT? WE'LL DO A BIG GROUP PICTURE.
A GROUP PICTURE RIGHT HERE, HEATHER.
SPECIAL ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR EVERYBODY.
BACK TO THE RECORD SCHEDULE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY FOR YOUR VOLUNTEER TIME, THE 20 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER AND THAT THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UM, HOPEFULLY GET 20 MORE YEARS AS WELL.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM.
I, I HOPE THAT THE CITIZENS WHO ARE WATCHING TONIGHT REALIZE HOW MANY HOURS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE PUT IN AS VOLUNTEERS TO MAKE OUR LIVES BETTER, TO ENRICH THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN, AND TO SHOW OUR VISITORS HOW STRONG YOUR COUNTY IS AND THAT YOUR COUNTY IS TRULY A FAMILY AFFAIR.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE COUNTY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I AM PUTTING OUT A PLEA FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE LISTENING TO, PLEASE CONSIDER JOINING THEM IN HELPING THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE, ALL THE 26 ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE ENRICH EVERYBODY'S LIVES IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN THE COUNTY, BUT VOLUNTEERS ARE ALWAYS NEEDED.
AND THAT'S WHY WE APPRECIATE SO VERY, VERY MUCH THAT MEN AND WOMEN WHO CAME BEFORE US THIS EVENING SHOWING US THAT IF YOU CAN VOLUNTEER FOR 20 YEARS, THEN YOU MUST LIKE YOUR JOB.
BECAUSE THE ONE THING ABOUT VOLUNTEERING IS IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BEING PAID FOR A JOB.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN QUIT AND THEY HAVEN'T QUIT.
AND SO THANK YOU ALL SO VERY, VERY MUCH.
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
WE'RE MOVING INTO THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.I HAVE THREE PE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UM, AS NOLAN, WHEN I, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, UM, SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE
AND ONCE YOU GET TO THE YELLOW LIGHT, THAT MEANS YOU GOT 30 SECONDS LEFT.
AND IN RED LIGHT, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA LEAD OFF MRS. POO, SHOW MY NAME.
OH, I'M SORRY, SHEILA, YOU WANTED TO SEE I LOVE THE SHIRT.
THAT WAS THE REASON REPUBLICANS
MY NAME IS PAM P SHALL I LIVE AT 1 0 3
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KIMBERLY COURT.AS THE JUNE MEETING, I ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER INSTALLING AN ELEVATOR IN THE WATERFRONT PARKING GARAGE.
SEVERAL WEEKS LATER, I RAN INTO MRS. NO AND SHE TOLD ME AN ELEVATOR WAS NOT SOMETHING THE BOARD, UH, WANTED TO INSTALL.
SHE SAID, IF A PERSON COULD NOT PARK IN A LOWER LEVEL TO JUST PARK IN ANOTHER PARKING LOT, THE VERY SMALL LOT ACROSS THE STREET HAS FEW SPACES GOING DOWN WATER STREET.
THE NEXT LOT IS AT REED STREET, AT LEAST ONE THIRD MILE AWAY.
THE NEXT VISIT AT THE PICNIC AREA OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS OPEN AND IS OVER A HALF A MILE AWAY.
THE PURPOSE OF NEEDING AN ELEVATOR IS BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS MOBILITY PROBLEMS IN HOT OR INCLEMENT WEATHER, JUST THE INCREASED DISTANCE OR USING A WALKER OR WHEELCHAIR TO THE GO TO THE SHOPPING AREA IS NOT PRACTICAL.
A FEW WEEKS AGO ON MARKET DAY, THE LOWER LOT HAD A SIGN BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE STATING THAT IT WAS FULL.
ALTHOUGH CARS WERE EXITING THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET WAS FULL.
I PARKED ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON A HOT AND HUMID DAY.
WALKING DOWN STEEP HILLS IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE DEVELOPED A MEDICAL CONDITION RESULTING IN MY INABILITY TO BREATHE, AND I ALMOST PASSED OUT TRYING TO RETURN UPHILL TO MY CAR.
I DO NOT KNOW IF A DA RULES APPLY, BUT I KNOW THAT ROB KRIEGER, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A DA ISSUES, DOES NOT RETURN PHONE CALLS.
THIS IS AN ISSUE OF MAKING THE WATERFRONT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LUXURY OF HEALTHY BODIES.
I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO YOU TO ENSURE THAT THEY CAN TOO, CAN EASILY VISIT THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT.
ON ANOTHER ISSUE, PEOPLE MOVED INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE ENJOYMENT TO ENJOY THE, EXCUSE ME.
PEOPLE MOVE INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENJOY THE ABILITY TO MEET AND PERHAPS BEFRIEND NEIGHBORS.
FAMILIES AND CHILDREN BECOME CLOSE AND MANY LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE FOR DECADES.
THIS BOARD HAS DECIDED THAT TURNING MORE AND MORE HOMES INTO BUSINESSES WHERE TEMPORARY STRANGERS RESIDE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ENCOURAGING THE CREATION OF CARING AND SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITIES.
PLAYMATES FAMILIES NEED BACKYARD BARBECUES WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.
THOSE WHO WILL BABYSIT YOUR KIDS PETS LONELY TOOLS OR A CUP OF FLOUR.
BE THERE WHEN YOU LOSE A LOVED ONE OR HELP YOU WHEN YOU ARE SICK.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCES SO THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RESIDE IN A SHOPPING CENTER CAN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THOSE WHO TURN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INTO COMMERCIAL AREAS.
IF NOTHING ELSE, THE VALUE OF A HOME WILL BE REDUCED BY BEING SURROUNDED BY VACATION RENTALS.
AND THAT MEANS LESS TAX DOLLARS COLLECTED.
MY LAST ISSUE, CLIMATE CHANGE IS HERE TO STAY AND WILL ONLY GET WORSE.
WE NEED TO PLAN NOW FOR AN ESTABLISHED 24 HOUR COOLING CENTER, PERHAPS A SCHOOL CAFETERIA DURING SUMMER MONTHS WHERE PEOPLE WITHOUT ACCESS TO AIR CONDITIONING CAN STAY DURING HIGH HEAT AND HUMIDITY EVENTS WITH OVERNIGHT HUMIDITY IN THE 90TH PERCENTILE RANGE AND OFTEN NOT GOING BELOW 80 DEGREES AT NIGHT.
THESE FOLKS ARE SUFFERING QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS HEALTH ISSUES ARE NOT BEING FULLY ADDRESSED BY THIS BOARD.
THANK YOU, MR. SO APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT UP WE HAVE, UM, MR. JAMES, ROBERT.
HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? DOING WELL.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, I GOT, UH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
J ROBERTS JAMES IS MY OFFICIAL NAME.
UH, I LIVE AT 7 21 RAILWAY ROAD IN YORKTOWN.
UM, I HAVE A BUSINESS, ROBERT'S FURNITURE AND MATTRESS.
AND IN THE PARKING LOT I HAVE THIS IDEA TO PUT AN ICE MACHINE TO, WE HAVE A LOT OF WATERWAYS AND, UH, A LOT OF BOATS.
AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF I PUT THE ICE MACHINE THERE, IT GIVES CONVENIENCE FOR THE TO GET ICE.
AND IT ALSO, UM, ALLOWS FOR, UH, SUPPORT FOR COMMUNITY THAT NEED, THAT NEED ICE, ANY, ANY STORMS, ICE IS AVAILABLE TO THEM.
AND IT ALSO WILL HAVE, UH, FRESH WATER TOO.
SO DURING STORMS OR ANYTHING, THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE THERE TOO.
AND IT'LL BE IN A NEAT AREA AND IT'LL, WE'LL CLEAN IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF MY LOT WHERE CHARLIE'S USED TO BE AT.
AND I JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL CONSIDERING THIS IN Y'ALL'S AGENDA WHERE YOU'RE DOING SOME COMMUNITY PLANNING.
AND NEXT SET WE HAVE MR. DIANE DAVIS.
I LIVE AT 30 ELM AVENUE IN NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
UM, MY HUSBAND AND I FIRST PUT THE STANDALONE ICE SPENDING MACHINES, THE FIRST ONES IN THE AREA 16 YEARS AGO.
I CONSIDER MYSELF A RESIDENT EXPERT OF 'EM BECAUSE I WORK FOR ICE HOUSE AMERICA.
I'M SELLING THE MACHINES HAVE BEEN FOR 16 YEARS.
AND, UM, ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, A FARMER IN
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SOUTHERN GEORGIA, HE CREATED THE IDEA OF ICE VENDING.HE MADE IT A PROTOTYPE IN HIS BARN.
AND THE IDEA GREW TO BECOME A COMPANY CALLED ICE HOUSE AMERICA, WHICH HAS CHANGED THE WAY RETAIL ICE IS SOLD TODAY.
TODAY, ICE HOUSE AMERICA, WHICH IS MY PARENT COMPANY, HAS OVER 3,500 UNITS IN OPERATION ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS LIKE ME AND MY HUSBAND.
ICE HOUSE AMERICA HAS GROWN TO BECOME THE SECOND LARGEST LEADING RETAILER OF BAGGED ICE.
AND WE PREDICT IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS, THIS COMPANY WILL TAKE OVER AS THE LEADING RETAILER OF BAGGED ICE.
UM, VIRGINIA HAS BEEN PART OF THIS GROWTH, UM, SINCE WE HAVE STARTED IN THE BUSINESS IN 2008.
THERE ARE 41 UNITS IN OPERATION ACROSS THE STATE.
16 OF THOSE ARE IN THE TIDEWATER AREA.
ICE HOUSE AMERICA IS NOT THE ONLY ICE VENDING COMPANY TODAY, BUT BECAUSE ICE HOUSE AMERICA, UM, THE GROWTH OF ICE VENDING BUSINESS HAS BOOMED IN THE LAST 23 YEARS, THE REASON FOR THIS GROWTH IS SUMMED UP IN FOUR, IN THREE MAIN POINTS.
CUSTOMERS LOVE THESE MACHINES BECAUSE OF THE PRICE.
ICE VENDING IS GREEN FRIENDLY BUSINESS THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN FACTORIES, TRUCKS FOR DELIVERIES AND EMPLOYEES.
AS A RESULT, ICE CAN BE SOLD AT A MUCH LOWER COST TO THE CONSUMER THAN RETAIL STORES.
WITH LITTLE OR NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE MIDDLE TO LOW INCOME PEOPLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
UM, THE BUSINESS WITH TIGHT BUDGETS, ICE SPENDING PROVIDES THEM FOR A WELCOME RELIEF.
UM, A LOT OF THE BUSINESS THAT USE US, AS JAY SAID, RESTAURANT OWNERS, LANDSCAPERS, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, UM, PAINTERS, ROOFERS, AND JUST THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
A SECOND REASON THEY LOVE US IS FOR THE CONVENIENCE.
CUSTOMERS DO NOT HAVE TO GO INSIDE A STORE TO PAY FOR THE ICE.
THEY JUST DRIVE UP MUCH LIKE YOU DO AT A GAS STATION.
GET OUT, BUY YOUR ICE AND LEAVE.
UM, THE PRODUCT IS GREAT TASTING.
IT'S NEVER TOUCHED BY HUMAN HANDS.
UM, IT HAS BEEN FILTERED AND DECHLORINATED.
UM, AND ANOTHER BIG THING IS THEY ARE GREAT ASSET TO MUNICIPALITIES.
IN THE CASE OF A NATURAL DISASTER, THEY CAN BE USED, FEMA CAN BRING THE GENERATORS IN AND USE 'EM FOR THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT, THAT IS ALL I HAD THAT WAS SIGNED UP FOR THE, UH, CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT WANNA SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, MA'AM.
JUST COME SHARE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, I'M ERIN SNYDER DIXON AND I LIVE AT 25 WHITE OAK DRIVE IN NEWPORT NEWS.
UM, I RAN A LANDSCAPING COMPANY THAT WAS BASED IN YORK COUNTY FOR WELL OVER A DECADE.
AND I CONTINUE TO RUN ONE IN THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, BUT I USE ICE EVERYWHERE I GO.
AND ONE THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT RIGHT NOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IN FRONT OF OSHA IS HEAT ILLNESS.
AND WE'VE GOT THE PRESSURE ON US TO BRING HEAT ILLNESS DOWN.
IF YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, UH, I RUN TEAMS OF LANDSCAPERS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT ICE IS IN ORDER TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT THERE, TO KEEP THEM SAFE, TO KEEP THEM WORKING, AND TO KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I ALSO VOLUNTEER AS A CERT UNIT AND I AM A PROFESSIONAL RESCUER.
WE DEPEND ON THESE ICE UNITS EVERYWHERE WE GO.
SO THEY HELP THE COMMUNITY AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT ANY OBSTACLES THERE ARE CAN BE OVERCOME BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD FAR OUTWEIGHS ANYTHING ELSE.
CNNI WILL CLOSE THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
I WILL MOVE ON TO COUNTY REPORTS.
UH, MR. MR. RICHARD, MISS
I DON'T WANT TO, NOTHING THIS EVENING.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
MR. BELLAMY.UH, VERY BRIEFLY, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO PUBLIC WORKS AND, UH, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THEY ARE ACTIVELY, UH, GETTING SCHOOLS READY FOR THAT BIG FIRST DAY NEXT WEEK, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING FORWARD ON THAT.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU THOUGH? THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THIS TIME? OKAY, WELL THIS, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MOVE INTO
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MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.AND I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT WITH MR. SHEPHERD.
SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT.
UM, I GUESS THE BIG ONE ON THE TICKET IS I SAW
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THAT THERE WAS A EMAIL TODAY ABOUT BILLS AND, UH, ARTICLE IN THE PAPER.ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE LOCAL PAPERS.
SO APPARENTLY THERE'S SOME DEALS GOING ON WITH BE, I GUESS THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET WHERE WE'RE AT.
I KNOW WE'RE HOPEFULLY GETTING READY TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE.
UM, SO, UM, JUST BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE DETAILS OF THAT IS FROM THE EDA AND, AND TRYING TO GET A BETTER GRIP AND HANDLE ON HOW THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS GONNA FINISH OUT.
SO THAT'S FIRST ON MY AGENDA TONIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS Q DADDIES, UM, GOT A CALL FROM MR. WHITTEN YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, AND HE WAS VERY UPSET.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN SOME MISINFORMATION GIVEN TO HIM THAT HAS COST HIM ABOUT ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS IN THIS PROCESS.
AND HE'S VERY UPSET THAT IT'S COST HIM TIME AND MONEY, FRUSTRATION AND HEADACHES.
AND HIS POINT TO ME IS THE RIGHT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THE LEFT HAND IS AND VICE VERSA.
AND SO HE WAS TOLD INITIALLY MONTHS AGO THAT HE HAD TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE HE COULD GET THE ASBESTOS ABATED.
AND THEN WHEN HE WENT TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT, JUST RECENTLY, THE BUILDING, UH, OFFICIAL SAID, YOU CAN'T GET THAT UNTIL THE ASBESTOS IS ABATED.
SO HE WAS GIVEN BAD INFORMATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
AND SO WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA FIX THIS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I RAN ON IN MY CAMPAIGN, UM, THE FRUSTRATION THAT BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE.
HE ALSO TOLD ME THIS IS INTERESTING THAT HE HAS REALTORS CALLING HIM SAYING, HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH FROM YORK COUNTY? ARE YOU READY TO SELL THE PROPERTY? SO EVEN THE REAL ESTATE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW BAD BUSINESS IS HERE IN YORK COUNTY OR HOW TO DO BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY.
SO WITH THAT, MY THIRD POINT, UM, AS YOU RECALL THROUGH SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, I HAVE BROUGHT UP, UH, THE IDEA OF HAVING A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE OR AN ADVOCATE FOR, UH, THIS VERY REASON THAT, UH, WE WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND FIGURE OUT IF WE HAVE MISINFORMATION OR NOT.
UH, THERE'LL BE A, A SET PLAN ON HOW THINGS ARE DONE.
AND THIS BUSINESS ADVOCATE WILL HELP THE BUSINESS OWNERS WALK THAT PROCESS THROUGH FROM A TO Z WITH YORK COUNTY.
SO I'M ASKING THAT THIS BUSINESS ADVOCATE BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT WORK SESSION SO WE CAN LOOK AT HIRING THIS PERSON, LOOK AT THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, WHO THAT PERSON WILL REPORT TO, AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO TO GET THAT PERSON ON BOARD TO START WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT I'M CONSTANTLY HEARING THAT, UH, WE'RE PEOPLE ARE GETTING MISINFORMATION FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WHEN THEY GO TO ONE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE SENT TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, AND BY THE TIME THEY GET THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY'VE TALKED TO LIKE EIGHT DIFFERENT PEOPLE, 10 DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
UH, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE THIS A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS.
WE, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM YORK COUNTY.
AND I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME, PEOPLE STOP ME IN THE GROCERY STORE AT THE GAS STATION AND TELL ME HOW BAD WORKING WITH YORK COUNTY IS AT TIMES.
SO I KNOW IT'S NOT EVERYBODY, BUT I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN ENOUGH AND I THINK BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW I'M PUSHING TO GET THIS FIXED, UM, I'M GONNA KEEP PUSHING UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS PROBLEM FIXED.
UM, I'M, UH, I REMISS THAT THANKING STAFF EARLIER FOR THIS.
THEY PUT OUT THE ADOPTED BUDGET IN BRIEF FOR 2025, AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN PICK THEM UP AT THE LIBRARY OR AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND IT, IT REALLY IS VERY WELL DONE.
IT'S VERY, IT'S SIMPLIFIED LANGUAGE THAT WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND AND IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
AND I THINK THE MORE WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT, THE MORE WE CAN APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT GOES INTO DOING THE BUDGET YEAR AFTER YEAR.
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ADVISORY BOARD, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY COUNCIL OR ELGA IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
AND I'D RATHER USE THE ACRONYMS. THAT'S ONE TIME THAT I WILL USE AN ACRONYM.
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UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE QUITE WELL OVER THE YEARS, UH, SINCE THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ISSUE CAME BEFORE US.AND I THINK THE CHESAPEAKE BAY NOW HAS SORT OF A, A C PLUS, UH, REPORT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND IT'S BEEN, UH, OPERATING FOR QUITE A WHILE AND IT'S, THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAD IS NOW GOING TO EXPIRE.
SO THERE'S A, A NEW AGREEMENT, A A NEW PLAN COMING FORWARD THAT'S BEYOND 2025.
AND THERE WERE AN AWFUL LOT OF COMMITTEES PEOPLE, UH, THEY COULD BE THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY, THEY COULD BE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
THEY COULD BE JUST CITIZENS WHO ARE WORKING ON A PLAN.
AND I WENT TO A MEETING A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WE WERE ASKED TO, TO READ WHAT THEY HAD GIVEN US.
AND I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON TO READ AND APPRECIATE.
AND SO A LOT OF THE THINGS WHERE WE WERE SAYING IS, UM, THEY NEED TO MAKE, MAKE THE AGREEMENT LESS COMPLICATED SO THAT WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE STANDING FOR.
AND SO THEY'VE ASKED THOSE OF US OF EL A TO HAVE ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS IN OUR VARIOUS AREAS.
AND SO I HAD ONE, UH, WITH ANOTHER MEMBER OF, OF ELGA OVER CHESAPEAKE BAY
AND I COULD SAY THAT THANK YOU DOUG, FOR COMING AND I APPRECIATE THAT SO VERY MUCH.
AND JOE NOLAN FROM OUR COUNTY, WELL STAFF ALSO CAME AND GAVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW HE FELT ABOUT IT AND, AND WHAT WAS WORKING.
WELL, THE DISCUSSION HAD A FEW TAKEAWAYS, AND I'M GONNA SHARE THE TAKEAWAYS WITH YOU BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WE HAD, UH, OUR DISTINGUISHED GUEST WAS DEPUTY SECRETARY OF NATURAL HISTORIC RESOURCES.
UH, WE HAD DELEGATES, WE HAD A SENATOR THERE.
WE HAD, UH, PEOPLE FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALSO.
AND IT WAS REALLY MEANT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE THING OF IT IS, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT ELECTIONS AND THINGS THAT HAVE GONE ON FROM THE TIME THIS STARTED TO THE TIME THAT WE'RE HERE NOW, PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED.
SO YOU ALMOST HAVE TO START OUT FROM IN THE BEGINNING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WENT ON IN THE PAST AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE.
BUT THE KEY DISCUSSION TAKEAWAYS WERE THIS FUNDING GRANTS ARE PREFERRED OVER LOANS AND ALLOCATIONS ARE EVEN BETTER.
AND THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE GOVERNMENT PAYING BACK, LIKE WE GET SLAPPED NO, UH, UH, GRANTS.
AND THAT'S BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT IS TAKEN SOMETIMES YEARS TO GET THE, THE MONEY BACK REFUNDED TO US AND THAT THEY
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT AND WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN EXPECT OF THEIR CITIZENS TO DO.
AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY MANDATES, FUNDING HAS TO COME WITH THE MANDATES.
AND THE BEST WAY I THINK THAT THEY SAID IT IS TO TALK ABOUT YOUR SUCCESSES.
AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD SUCCESSES IN YOUR COUNTY.
ONE OF THE BIG, BIG ONES I ALWAYS LOOK AT IS HOW WE'VE PUT SEWER IN AND ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE COUNTY, UM, HOW WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE TREES THAT WE'VE PLANTED IN THE MEDIANS, HOW WE'VE, HOW PEOPLE RECYCLE.
AND THESE ARE ALL GOOD STORIES TO TELL.
AND I THINK I'VE PROBABLY SAID IT UP.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER FEW THINGS ON THE LIST, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE REALLY GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO.
THE IDEA IS THOUGH, THAT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY IS A VITAL SOURCE OF REVENUE, OF PLEASURE, OF ENJOYMENT.
YOU'VE GOT FISHING, YOU'VE GOT BOATING, YOU'VE GOT SWIMMING, YOU'VE GOT BEAUTY.
THERE IS SO MUCH OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY OFFERS OUR CITIZENS, AND NOT JUST IN YORK COUNTY, BUT IN ALL THE DIFFERENT STATES THAT FEED INTO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY.
SO IT BEHOOVES US TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE SO WE CAN PASS IT ON TO OUR CHILDREN.
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AND SO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US NEEDS TO BE MORE COGNIZANT OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE, WHETHER IT'S THE FERTILIZER WE PUT ON OUR, ON OUR SOIL, ON OUR LAND, WHAT WE DO, WHETHER OUR TRIMMING, WHETHER WE HAVE GRASS GROWING, TOO MUCH GRASS GROWING AND, AND NOT ENOUGH PLANTS TO ABSORB THE WATER.UM, BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M, I'M WOUND UP AND I'M SORRY TO BE WOUND UP.
BUT IT, I'VE ALWAYS FOUND THAT THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT WE DO TODAY WILL REFLECT ON OUR CHILDREN TOMORROW.
AND WE WANT TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT AND TO PLAN FOR THEIR FUTURE AS WELL AS THE FUTURE THAT WE NOW HAVE TODAY.
MR. ROY, MS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I HAVE, UH, TWO TOPICS I WANTED TO RAISE TONIGHT.
FIRST ONE, UM, INVOLVES A DAYCARE AT 263 KINGS COURT, UH, IN OUR QUEENS LAKE DISTRICT.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS HAS BEEN A PRESCHOOL OPERATING AT, UH, QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY NOW FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
UH, THE COUNTY, UH, IN FACT, COMMISSIONER REVENUE ISSUED A LICENSE FOR A DAYCARE, UH, IN APPROXIMATELY AUGUST, SEPTEMBER OF, UH, 2023 TOTAL OF NINE CHILDREN, UM, DAILY AT THIS PRESCHOOL.
UM, ONE IS A RESIDENT CHILD EIGHT ARE VISITING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
UH, WHEN I GO THROUGH THE VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH STATE STATUTES, IT'S 2 20 22 0.1 2 89 DASH ZERO TWO.
IT'S GOT DEFINITIONS IN THERE AND IT STATES CLEARLY THAT ANYTHING GREATER THAN FIVE CHILDREN MUST BE, UH, REGISTERED WITH THE STATE.
THAT HASN'T OCCURRED IN THIS SITUATION SINCE THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, THERE'S BEEN 32, UH, COMPLAINTS MADE BY NEIGHBORS AND CITIZENS OF THIS AREA.
UH, THAT'S BEEN WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WITH SOCIAL SERVICES, WITH COMMISSIONER REVENUE, AND WITH ZONING AND ENFORCEMENT.
UM, 32, I I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH.
I'M STARTING TO GET A MASSIVE MIGRAINE EVERY TIME I HEAR ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I CONTINUE TO GET PHONE CALLS ON THIS SUBJECT.
AND I, AND I, I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GETTING THOSE MIGRAINES.
THE NEIGHBORS ARE, ARE CLEARLY FRUSTRATED.
THE LATEST ONE WAS A, A PETTING ZOO HELD IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL, UH, ONE DAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, THE KIDS WERE ALL TAKEN DOWN TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY AND TOLD TO SCREAM AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS FOR 10 MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY.
AND I AM, I'M AT THE POINT WHERE I'M CALLING FOR A MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY TO REVIEW THIS SITUATION AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CONSIDER OR THAT WE CAN DO, UH, INCLUDING REVIEWING THE STATE STATUTES AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY A PERMISSIBLE BUSINESS.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN BUSINESS? IT'S BEEN A YEAR.
IT WAS AUGUST OF 23 WHEN, WHEN THIS, UH, NEIGHBOR MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IMMEDIATELY OPENED A SCHOOL.
SO NO, NO TIME TO GET ONBOARD AND GET ACCLIMATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO PRESENT HER PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT, IT JUST WENT STRAIGHT INTO A BUSINESS ALMOST FROM DAY ONE.
MM-HMM,
SECOND ITEM, UH, WE, WE GET A LIST OF NEW BUSINESSES EACH MONTH, UH, UH, THAT HAVE OPENED IN YORK COUNTY.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT WORK.
UH, THAT'S A VERY, UH, COMPLETE LIST AND IT'S VERY USEFUL.
AND I, I CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, MADE USE OF IT IN MY, UH, MONTHLY NEWSLETTER.
UH, BUT ONE ITEM CAUGHT MY SURPRISE, UH, THIS, THIS MONTH, UM, YOUNG LADY HAD REGISTERED AS A MASSAGE THERAPIST, UH, FOR A MASSAGE PARLOR THAT EXISTS ON DEBY BOULEVARD.
AND I HAD NO EXCEPTION WITH THAT.
THAT'S A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE, UH, REQUEST.
BUT THEN THERE WAS ALSO, UM, A SECOND LICENSE ISSUED TO THE SAME LADY, UH, FOR THE SAME BUSINESS OUT OF A HOME.
THIS IS ON WEAVER STREET IN, IN DISTRICT ONE, AND IT'S TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT MASSAGE, UH, AT CLIENT'S HOMES.
BUT THAT'S VERY STRANGE THAT WE WOULD ISSUE A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MASSAGE THERAPIST IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
IT'S NOT AN A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT, UH, WE APPROVE OF.
UM, AND I, AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO CHECK ON THIS? THAT IT IS A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS, THAT SHE ISN'T OPERATING OUT OF THE HOUSE ON SOME FREQUENCY.
AND I DIDN'T GET A VERY SATISFACTORY ANSWER BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM FOR TESTING OR AUDITING, UH, THAT PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, I'M CALLING ON THE, UH, I'M CALLING ON THE COUNTY TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS LICENSE FROM THE, FROM THE SURFACE.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN A LEGITIMATELY ISSUED LICENSE.
UH, WE, WE ALLOW MASSAGE THERAPISTS AT A PROPER PARLOR THAT'S LICENSED, BUT NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND THIS JUST SEEMS TO VIOLATE WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IN TERMS OF OUR ZONING AND ORDINANCES.
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I APPRECIATE IF THE COUNTY COULD FOLLOW UP ON BOTH TIMES, BOTH POINTS.ANYTHING ELSE MR. ROY? THAT'S IT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA RECOGNIZE, I THINK CHIEF KAKIS BACK THERE.
I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE YOU AND YOUR, YOUR DEPARTMENT.
I THINK SINCE OUR LAST MEETING IN THE, UM, UM, BOARD CORRESPONDENCE, UH, PACKAGES, THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WHERE YOUR DEPARTMENT RECEIVED THANK YOU FOR SERVICES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAD PROVIDED.
SO THREE AND A COUPLE WEEKS, THAT'S PRETTY
SO JUST, JUST TO THANK YOU ALONE.
SO, AND APPRECIATE YOUR DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS AND, AND GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE THERE.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, LITTLE BIT OF BIT OF PEEK BEHIND THE SCENES.
UM, RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING AT FOUR O'CLOCK, MYSELF, DARREN WILLIAMS AND, UM, UM, BRIAN FULLER, WE MET WITH THE LOCAL LEADERSHIP OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
STOPPED TALKING ABOUT, WE, WE, WE MEET EVERY QUARTER JUST TO TALK COUNTY BUSINESS AND PARK SERVICE BUSINESS, BUT ALSO STARTED TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF BIG EVENTS WE HAVE COMING UP.
UM, SO MOST OF Y'ALL REALIZE IN, UH, 2026, THE COUNTRY WILL BE CELEBRATING OUR 250TH YEAR OF INDEPENDENCE.
SO START TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATION WITH THE PARK SERVICE THERE AND THE THINGS WE'RE DOING.
ALSO, WE'RE TALK EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD 2031, WHICH WOULD BE THE DAY THAT WE KIND OF SETTLE THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT OR NOT.
COULDN'T GETTING PUT ON THE TABLE.
UM, DON'T WANNA SPOIL ANYTHING JUST YET.
MS. FOES LOOKING AT ME LIKE, DON'T, DON'T SAY NOTHING'S, NOTHING'S SOLIDIFIED YET.
BUT, UM, JUST A LITTLE, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF A PEEK BEHIND THE SCENES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING OUT THAT FAR IN ADVANCE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO BRING IN AND KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING.
SO LOOK, LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE DATES WHEN THEY FINALLY, FINALLY COME UP.
UM, KIND OF PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON MR. BELLAMY WITH SCHOOL STARTING UP.
UM, THIS THURSDAY, I BELIEVE IS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTY ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT.
SO ALL THOSE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH EMPTY FOR THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS WOULD BE PRETTY ACTIVE, HAVE BEEN EMPTY FOR THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, WOULD BE PRETTY BUSY, UM, THURSDAY NIGHT.
SO BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S TUESDAY SCHOOL IS BACK IN, IN SESSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND IN THE MORNINGS, IN THE AFTERNOONS, NOT JUST AROUND THE SCHOOLS, BUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL.
A LOT, A LOT OF KIDS WALK TO SCHOOL WHO ARE CLOSE.
UM, WE WANNA BE SAFE OUT THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE GOT SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY GOING IN PLACE TO HELP, UM, WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOL ZONES TO KEEP THE SPEED TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.
UH, I WAS TALKING TO OUR, UH, OUR SHERIFF RON MONTGOMERY EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN THEY DID A STUDY LAST YEAR THAT, UH, HAS DRIVEN SOME OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY COMING IN THERE OVER A FIVE DAY PERIOD IN SELECT SCHOOLS, THERE WERE 3,700, UM, SPEED ZONE VIOLATIONS.
THAT IS COMPLETELY UN UNACCEPTABLE.
SO, UM, WE NEED, WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT WHEN WE'RE DRIVING THROUGH THERE.
JUST SLOW DOWN, IT'S JUST A FEW HUNDRED FEET, COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
UH, SCHOOL BUSES, THE, THE SCHOOL DIVISION IS LOOKING TO PUT SOME SAFETY CAMERAS ON THOSE BUSES AS WELL TO, AGAIN, KEEP PEOPLE FROM PASSING THEM WHILE THEY'RE DISCHARGING STUDENTS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, SCHOOL'S IN SESSION PRACTICALLY, SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL OF THE LITTLE ONES AS THEY'RE GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL.
UM, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO PUT ON YOUR, UM, DOCKET MR. BELLAMY AND DISCUSSING, WE, WE'VE HAD BEFORE, BUT I, I GOT, I GOT SOME EMAILS THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THIS.
AND IT GETS BACK TO THE SPRINGFIELD ROAD SITUATION, WHICH I KNOW IS A CHALLENGING SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S A VDOT ROAD AND WE DON'T OWN THE ROAD.
AND, AND IT'S, IT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO GET CREATIVE ON WAYS WE CAN WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER THERE TO TRY TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS ON THAT ROAD AND RELIEF.
THE VIDEO I SAW TODAY, I, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING ON THAT ROAD AND, AND DEALING WITH THAT EVERY DAY WITH THIS TRAFFIC STACKED UP LIKE THAT, AS NARROW AS THAT ROAD IS.
SO, UM, PROBABLY PULL YOU ASIDE AT SOME POINT AND MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME BRAINSTORMING ON HOW WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPER AND FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER SOLUTION THAN WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING UP THERE NOW, HAVING THOSE VEHICLES STACKED UP LIKE THAT.
AND HEAVEN FORBID IF WE GOTTA GET A RESCUE SQUAD DOWN THERE OR SOMETHING WHEN THAT'S HAPPENING.
'CAUSE IT'LL TAKE FOREVER TO GET THAT, GET THAT ROAD CLEARED UP.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ADD TO THAT.
SO I'VE, I WAS ON THE PHONE LAST NIGHT WITH JOSH MULLINS AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE LOCK ON THE GATE, WHICH WE INSISTED ON MM-HMM.
HOWEVER, THE TIMER ON THAT GATE WAS SLIPPING.
SO EVERY DAY IT WAS, IT WAS GETTING LATER AND LATER AND LATER, THE TRUCKS HAVE BEEN LINING UP AT ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE HOUR.
UH, THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE STARTING TO SHOW UP, BUT THEY'RE
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BEING HELD THERE FOR 25 OR 30 MINUTES BECAUSE THE TIMER WAS OFF.I TALKED TO PETE HENDERSON LAST NIGHT, HE GOT THAT CORRECTED TODAY.
UH, SO THAT ISSUE SHOULD, UH, SHOULD DISAPPEAR.
I'M NOT SO THAT DISPLAYS A TIMESTAMP ON THAT VIDEO WHILE THEY WERE STACKED UP SO FAR? YES.
SO IT, THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE HAS BEEN DEALT WITH, I, I, I FULLY SUPPORT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, UH, IN, TO IMPROVE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD, UH, IS IN OUR, IN OUR BEST INTEREST AND WE OUGHT TO BE DOING THAT.
SO I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, DIRECTION YOU'VE TAKEN, BUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE FROM LAST NIGHT I THINK HAS DEALT WITH.
WELL THAT, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR 'CAUSE I HADN'T GOT GOTTEN THAT UPDATE, SO THAT, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON.
WE GOT SOME TIME HERE, SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR UP.
AND HAVE THAT AS A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
[CONSENT CALENDAR ]
UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE CONSENT CALENDAR.SO WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT COUNT THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST ONE WE'RE GONNA CALL, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REPLACEMENT OF FIRE PUMPERS.
ADVANTAGE PLAN NUMBER SEVEN IS REQUEST FOR REFUND OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
AND NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR REFUND OF REAL, REAL PROPERTY TAXES.
UH, IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT ANY BOARD MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO PULL AND DISCUSS SEPARATELY? NO.
UM, IF NOT, I'LL MOVE THE, THE PROS RESOLUTION.
UM, IS THAT THE RIGHT NUMBER? YOU YOU WANNA MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? WHAT YOU MEANT? WASN'T THAT WHAT I DID? NO, NO.
YOU PICKED A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
I KNOW I GOT, I GOT YOU OUTTA ORDER.
YOU WANNA MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, RIGHT? I MIGHT MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION AND A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLES TO ADOPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN UNTIL WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO START AT SEVEN.
SO WE WILL GO INTO RECESS UNTIL 7:00 PM OKAY.
OKAY EVERYBODY, WE'RE GONNA RE UH, RECONVENE HERE AT UH, 7 0 2.
[2 Application No. UP-1032-24 - Wesley Tobin Johnson and Erin L. Casey. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-142 to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 103 B Deer Path Road.]
GONNA GET BACK ON TRACK INTO THE, ON THE AGENDA AND GET INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 1 42, WHICH IS FOR THE AUTHORIZATION OF A TOURIST HOME AND YOUR HONOR.
THIS IS A APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT 1 0 3 B DEER PATH ROAD.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THERE IS OUTLAWED IN THAT HOT PINK LINE WORK.
IT'S ALMOST TWO ACRES, A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES IN SIZE, ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AS IS ALL THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT IN THE LOCATION, YOU'RE UP THERE OFF OF SKIM ANDOW ROAD, NEAR SKIM ANDOW LANDING NEAR CAMP PERRY.
AND THAT IS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY AGAIN OUTLINED IN HOT PINK.
BROUGHT YOU IN A LITTLE CLOSER THERE.
YOU SEE THAT? JUST TO NOTE, THIS IS AN AERIAL FROM 2021 BECAUSE ON OUR COUNTY JIS, THAT'S OUR HOW UPDATED OUR MAPS ARE.
SO THE HOUSE IS A NEWER BUILD.
I HAVE A SLIDE AFTER THIS THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS IT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHY THE HOUSE ISN'T ON
IT'S SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY LARGE LOTS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I'VE CIRCLED THE HOUSE THERE IN RED FOR YOU AGAIN, YOU SEE IT COMES OFF THAT LONG ACCESS DRIVE AND THEN A LONG DRIVEWAY.
IT'S PRETTY FAR SET BACK FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
CAN MOVE ON TO SOME IMAGES REAL QUICK.
WHERE IS, WHICH ONE IS THE ACTUAL HOUSE? THE OWNER, SO THIS IS, UM, WAS GETTING TO THAT, UM, THIS, THE OWNER'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE STILL LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND THEN THE TOURIST HOME'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE IN THE BASEMENT.
SO, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY'S THE NEXT TO IT, I MEAN THE ROAD.
I COULDN'T QUITE FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
SO AGAIN, SOME CONTEXT FOR LOCATION.
LOOKING AT PHOTOS, I'M LOOKING NORTH ON DEER PATH ROAD AND YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE TO
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THE SHARED DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE THAT'S LOOKING DOWN THE SHARED DRIVEWAY.SO A LITTLE NOTE ABOUT THE SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THE USE PERMIT THAT SINCE THIS IS AGAIN SPLIT BETWEEN TWO HOUSES, THE APPLICANT'S HOUSE AND THEN ANOTHER HOUSE THAT'S 1 0 3 DEER PATH, THAT A USE AGREEMENT BE EXECUTED.
THAT BASICALLY IS THAT BOTH PEOPLE SAYING WE'RE OKAY WITH POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS UTILIZING THIS DRIVEWAY.
AND THEY ACTUALLY DID EXECUTE, EXECUTE THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THAT WAS IN RETA HEAD PACKET.
AND THAT'S A PHOTO OF THE HOUSE.
NOW I WANNA NOTE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THE APPLICANT OWNERS ARE GONNA LIVE ON THE FIRST TWO FLOORS AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA RENT OUT A FINISHED BASEMENT.
POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD ACCESS THE RENTAL AREA THROUGH THAT BOTTOM DOOR THERE.
THAT'S A WALK-IN BASEMENT AND THAT'S A FLOOR PLAN OF THE FINISHED BASEMENT.
THERE ARE TWO BEDROOMS AND THEN A LIVING AREA DUE TO THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS ARE GONNA BE FIVE GUESTS, THAT'S FOUR ADULTS.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PARKING PLAN DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THEN THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S AMPLE PARKING OFF STREET FOR NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS BUT ALSO POTENTIAL GUESTS.
SO THEY'VE SHOWN THEY'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT THAT PARKING PAD FOR THE OWNERS AND THEN SEPARATE PARKING AREA FOR GUESTS.
AND THEY SAID THEY CAN FIT, CAN FIT ABOUT FOUR CARS, FOUR GUESTS.
AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, WE DON'T HAVE EXACT ITE FIGURES FOR TOURIST HOMES.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC IMPACT, WE TAKE DATA FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TIMES SHARING UNITS.
DEER PATH ROAD BASED ON VDOT COUNTS CARRIES ABOUT 150 DAILY TRIPS.
SO STAFF FIGURES THAT THIS PARTICULAR USE ISN'T GONNA GENERATE A NOTICEABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON DEER PATH ROAD.
SO RECENTLY PAST SHORT-TERM RENTAL POLICY HAS A NEW GUIDELINE AND THAT GUIDELINE IT TALKS ABOUT DISTANCE OF A PROPOSED SHORT-TERM RENTAL FROM OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SINCE THIS IS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL PARCEL, NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST A HALF MILE AWAY FROM OTHER APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CIRCLED IN BLUE.
AND THEN THESE TWO IN GREEN ARE THE NEAREST APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEY'RE OVER A MILE AWAY.
ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, LENGTHS OF STAY ARE GONNA BE CAPPED FOR A MINIMUM OF TWO TO MAXIMUM OF 14 NIGHTS.
AGAIN, THE OWNERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE PRESENT IN THE HOME WHENEVER RENTALS ARE OCCURRING.
SO THEY CAN'T RENT OUT THE BASEMENT AND THEN GO ON VACATION.
IF SOMEONE'S RENTING OUT THE BASEMENT AGAIN, THERE'S THAT GUEST MAXIMUM OF FOUR ADULTS OR FIVE PLUS A CHILD.
AND AGAIN, SIMILAR TO OTHER TOURIST HOMES, THIS USE PERMIT WILL EXPIRE WHEN THE PROPERTY IS SOLD.
SO STAFF'S ANALYSIS OF THIS, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO OTHER APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.
IT DOES MEET ALL THOSE BOARD POLICY GUIDELINES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DISTANCE FROM OTHER SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT OWNER IS PRESENT IN THE HOME WHILE RENTALS ARE OCCURRING.
AND THEN ALSO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER TERRORIST HOMES.
THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THEY'RE OPERATING AND WILL BE OPERATING.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS APPLICATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
SO WE'LL START WITH YOU MRS. NOEL.
ANY QUESTIONS MR. ROY? NO QUESTION MR. DREWRY.
UM, I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE AS I'M LOOKING THROUGH THIS, IT'S UM, THERE'S QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE OPPOSED IT THAT, UM, AND I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE.
I MEAN, I THINK OTHER THAN THAT, UNLESS I'M NOT CLEAR ON IT, I THINK IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE PUT FORTH, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
IS THE NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS OKAY.
AND THE PACKET, WE DID GET A MIX OF THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND THEN WE DID GET THIS, THE SIGNATURE ON THAT PETITION YOU SAW IN THE PACKET.
UM, I DO WANNA NOTE, ONE PERSON ACTUALLY DID SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT AND ALSO SIGNED THE PETITION OF PROTEST, INTERESTINGLY.
SO
I, I DID SEE SOME OF THE, THE SUPPORT LETTERS.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. SHEPHERD.
YEAH, I, UH, JUST, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE RIGHT INFORMATION 'CAUSE I KNOW BOUNCING AROUND IN THIS PACKAGE, UH, I SAW LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND THEN I SAW THE PETITION.
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OF BALANCING IT OUT THERE WAS, I, I GUESS THERE WERE LIKE 10 OR 11 PEOPLE ON A, ON A PETITION, BUT I, I FIGURED THE WAY YOU GUYS, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED WAS ONLY ABOUT NINE OF 'EM ACTUALLY.UH, YOU I GUESS FOR COUNSELING OUT THE ONE, A COUPLE, YEAH.
AND SO, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF A MIXED BAG.
SO, AND THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, THAN A NORMAL, UH, I SAY NORMAL, UH, WHATEVER THAT IS NOWADAYS.
BUT THE, UM, WE'VE SEEN 'EM ON REALLY SMALL LOTS.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE A FEW THAT ARE OPPOSED.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LARGE, IT'S A VERY LARGE, A LARGE DISTANCE.
YOU ANSWERED, YOU ALREADY COVERED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, BEING ON SITE WAS RENTED.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING UP SIGNAGE? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT STATED HE'S NOT GOING TO PUT UP ANY SIGNAGE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, BUT WE DIDN'T STIPULATE IT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE RESOLUTION.
THAT MIGHT BE A CONDITION IN THERE.
I WAS TRYING TO, YEAH, I DIDN'T RECALL SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT SIGNAGE.
WE DON'T HAVE A CONDITION IN THERE TO PROHIBIT SIGNAGE NECESSARILY.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND SHARE SOME THOUGHTS? OH, THERE.
UM, AS FAR AS SIGNAGE GOES, WE, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT A SIGN, SO IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANT US TO HAVE A SIGN, WE WON'T PUT UP A SIGN WE THAT, THAT WON'T MAKE OR BREAK IT.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OURSELVES.
HER FAMILY MOVED HERE ABOUT 19, UH, 98.
UM, WE'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS AND ABSOLUTELY FELL IN LOVE WITH IT.
UM, WE HAPPENED TO BE BLESSED AND, UH, SISTER-IN-LAW BOUGHT A 10 AND A HALF ACRE PRO PLOT THAT WE, THAT WAS ALREADY SEPARATED.
UM, SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE MOM AND DAD AND WE HAVE ALL THREE SIBLING, ALL THREE SISTERS.
WE HAVE AUNT, SO WE HAVE FIVE HOUSES.
WE HAD FOUR GENERATIONS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AT ONCE.
IT'S, IT'S OUR, UM, IT'S OUR HEART, IT'S OUR FAMILY.
UM, WE BUILT ON A PRETTY BIG LOT THAT IT WAS SLOPEY.
SO, UM, IT WAS EITHER TO BUILD A REALLY EXPENSIVE CONDITION, CRAWL SPACE OR WE DECIDED TO DO, UM, A WALKOUT BASEMENT, UM, TO SAVE, UM, ABOUT A, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.
UM, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, SO WE DECIDED, UM, WHAT CAN WE DO TO, UM, TO COMPENSATE SOME OF THE STUFF FROM COVID AS FAR AS BUILDING, 'CAUSE WE BUILT THE HOUSE OURSELVES.
SO AS MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MY SISTER-IN-LAW, AND I BUILT IT FROM THE GROUND UP.
SO, UM, PUT A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS IN THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT TO COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THE COSTS, WE FIGURED WE DON'T HAVE CHILDREN.
UM, WHY DON'T WE TRY TO TURN IT INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL? UM, LIKE, UM, SHE DID SUCH A GREAT JOB.
I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY.
UM, WE ARE GONNA LIVE IN THE HOUSE FULL TIME.
UM, WE WON'T RENT WHEN WE LEAVE BECAUSE, UH, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE STAYING IN OUR HOUSE WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE.
UM, THE, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, UM, THE FULL STORY IS IT'S HER SISTER.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE A SISTER BROTHER-IN-LAW AND TWO BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN.
UM, SO RIGHT NEXT DOOR, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS LITERALLY OUR FAMILY.
UM, IT'S A WHOLE FAMILY AFFAIR.
UM, WE COULDN'T BE MORE BLESSED TO HAVE, UM, MY FAMILY ACROSS WILLIAMSBURG, HER FAMILY LITERALLY, OR RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE JUST, UH, WE, WE REALLY WANT TO LIKE, UM, HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING THIS WAS TO HAVE A LOW IMPACT, UM, OF OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
WE WANTED TO TRY TO DO IT QUIETLY, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED TO DO IT CORRECTLY.
UM, SO OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO HAVE THIS BUSINESS WITH NOBODY KNOWING AROUND, YOU KNOW, UM, LOW IMPACT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY.
UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S SEE.
MR. DREW, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH THESE ADDRESSES, UH, AND MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ON THAT.
UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH, WHICH ONES ARE, THESE ARE IN OPPOSITION, ARE THEY RIGHT NEXT DOOR? ARE THEY JUST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY, THEY'RE ON THIS ARE STREET.
UM, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 300 TO
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400 YARDS AWAY.SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOWN THE STREET.
SO WHAT IS YOUR STREET? I, I CAN'T, DEER PATH ROAD.
WELL THAT'S THE, I SEE THE LONG PIECE RIGHT HERE.
BUT IT'S, SO, AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TUCKED OVER, TUCKED AWAY IN THE CORNER.
A LOT OF THEM CONCENTRATE ON YEAH, MOST OF THEM ARE IN THE CURVE.
IF YOU WA IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET, MOST OF 'EM ARE IN THE CURVE OR DOWN AT THE END OF THE CURVE.
CAN YOU BRING THEM BACK UP PLEASE? YEAH.
COULD YOU BRING THAT AND SHOW US? I THINK THAT'S FURTHER DOWN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO IT'S MOSTLY, YEAH, THOSE PEOPLE.
UM, DOES THAT HAVE THE YEAH, IT HAS.
WE WENT TO EVERYBODY AROUND US AND, UM, IT TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND EVERYBODY GOT, UM, GAVE US A BLESSING.
UM, AND, AND THEN A PETITION CAME UP.
SO SOME OF 'EM, UH, SIGNED THE PETITION AND THEN FELT REALLY BAD ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE WONDERFUL.
UM, WE COULDN'T BE MORE, MORE BLESSED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND US.
MR. DO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? N NO, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, I, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP AS WELL.
THE THREE HOUSES THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT REALLY BORDER THE PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT, I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBERS ON THOSE HOUSES.
THE STREET NUMBERS IS TOP THREE.
THOSE, THOSE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY THREE THAT I WOULD, OR 1 0 3, 1 0 5.
SO IT WOULD BE 1 0 7, 1 0 9 AND ONE 11 ARE THE, I THINK THE THREE, THE THREE THAT ARE, THAT LITERALLY BORDER US SEVEN, NINE, AND 11.
UM, TWO OUT OF THE THREE OF THOSE HAD, UM, HAD WE WE TALKED TO BEFOREHAND, UM, AND THEY GAVE US SIGNATURES.
UM, ONE DIDN'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY RIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER.
UM, BUT WE WENT TO TALK TO EVERYBODY AROUND US, UM, INCLUDING, UM, THERE'S A LADY ON WILSON DRIVE THAT WE TALKED TO, AND THERE'S ALSO A, A PROPERTY ON SKIM ANDOW.
AND WE, WE TALKED TO HER AS WELL, AND THEY SIGNED THE PETITION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE AS FAR AS REAL QUICK SOMETHING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A ONE 11.
I DON'T SEE OPPOSITION ON ONE 11.
NO, THEY, THEY WROTE A LETTER TO SUPPORT, SIR.
SO, SO REALLY THE ONLY, ONLY TWO IS, UH, 1 0 7 AND 1 0 9.
DIDN'T, UM, THEY, THEY SIGNED THE PETITION 1 0 9 ALSO GAVE US A LETTER OF APPROVAL AND, AND THEN SIGNED THE PETITION AFTER.
SO REALLY WE HAVE 1 0 7 THAT'S BORDERING YOUR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT DOES THE YELLOW LINE, WHAT ARE THE YELLOW LINES? UM, THIS, YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND THE HOT PINK REPRESENTING THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, SIR, THAT TOUCH, YEAH.
THE YELLOW LINE IS THE WHOLE PLOT THAT MY SISTER HAD BOUGHT.
THE, THE, THE HOT PINK IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
YELLOW WAS KIND INTENDED TO REPRESENT, THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING HOUSES THAT ARE, THAT BORDER THE PROBLEM.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I, I KNOW TOBIN AND AARON QUITE WELL AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEIR HOME.
UM, AND I, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE, UH, TRYING TO DO HERE.
IT'S, UH, IT OPENS UP ONTO, UH, A CREEK AT THE BACK.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, FARMLAND WITH, UH, WITH A CREEK FLOWING THROUGH IT.
AND I THINK IT'D BE IDEAL FOR THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
THIS, THIS MET THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHERE THE, WHERE THE RESIDENT OR THE OWNER IS PRESENT IN THE HOME.
IT, IT MEETS ALL THE CRITERIA.
SO IT CHECKS OFF A LOT OF THE BOXES THERE.
HOW, WHEN DID YOU STAND UP THE HOME? HOW OLD IS YOUR HOME? UH, WE, UH, WE'VE BEEN THERE 19 MONTHS.
ABOUT 18, 18 MONTHS IS HOW LONG, SO, OKAY.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE NOT TO PUT A SIGNAGE THERE, UH, FOR THAT.
I WILL NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK TO THIS, BUT DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 1 42.
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NO PROBLEM.SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ANYTHING AT THIS POINT? NO.
WELL THEN, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ROLL CALL FOR THIS MOTION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 42 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
[3 Proposed Parking Restrictions - Hubbard Lane (Route 716). Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance Number 24-18 to amend Section 15-48 of the York County Code, Parking Prohibited or Restricted in Specific Places, to add 750 feet of the western side of Hubbard Lane (Route 716), beginning at its intersection with Penniman Road (Route 641) and ending at its intersection with Edale Avenue (Route 731), to the list of places within the State Secondary System of Highways in York County where parking is prohibited. ]
ON.UM, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PROPOSAL ON ITS R 24 DASH 18 PARK RESTRICTIONS ON HUBBARD LANE.
UM, SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF A PROPOSED PARKING RESTRICTION ON A PORTION OF HUBBARD LANE.
SO, LITTLE CONTEXT OF THE AREA WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
SO THIS IS THE PORTION OF HUBBARD THAT IS OFF OF PENMAN AND MERRIMACK TRAIL, RIGHT ADJACENT TO MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY.
AND SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE REALLY ONLY LOOKING AT THE SECTION RUNNING FROM THE INTERSECTION OF PENMAN UP TO THE INTERSECTION OF THE DEL WESTERN SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO, HOW THIS SE QUEST KIND OF ORIGINATED WAS IN THE SPRING.
UM, WE HAD A RESIDENT REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING DIVISION AND WAS DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING THESE TRAFFIC ISSUES REALLY IN RELATIONSHIP TO SCHOOL PICKUP, PICK UP AND DROP OFF HOURS.
AND SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE ON HUBBARD, IT'S TWO LANE ROAD.
WE HAVE A STRIPED PARKING LANE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THEN THAT'S THAT SCHOOL ENTRANCE INTO MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY.
AND SO WHEN PARENTS KIND OF COME IN FOR EITHER DROP OFF OR PICKUP, THEY'RE GONNA GO, TYPICALLY GO IN SOUTHBOUND ON HUBBARD AND COME INTO THIS ENTRANCE HERE.
SEE, THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM A SITE VISIT I CONDUCTED AFTER WE RECEIVED THE INITIAL REQUEST.
TIME I WAS OUT THERE WAS BEFORE PARENT PICKUP STARTED, AND THEN WHILE PARENT PICKUP WAS OCCURRING.
SO KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS ON HUBBARD HERE IS, AGAIN, YOU HAVE CARS THAT PARK IN THIS DESIGNATED STRIPED PARKING LANE, AND YOU ALSO HAVE CARS PARKING ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE STREET.
I WANNA NOTE THE CARS HERE, UM, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WERE JUST PARENTS, LIKE WAITING IN THEIR CAR TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.
UM, THEY WERE THERE WHEN I, AT LEAST I OBSERVED BEFORE PI PICKUP EVEN STARTED, AND THEN KIND OF WELL PICKUP WRAPPED UP.
AND THERE WASN'T ANYBODY IN THEM.
WHERE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION OCCURS IS, SO WHILE PARENT PICKUP KIND OF STARTS TO QUEUE UP PARENTS, THE DRIVEWAY FILLS UP.
AND SO PARENTS QUEUE IN THE SOUTHBOUND TRAVEL LANE.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE PARKED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE STREET, PARENTS THAT ARE IDLING WAITING IN THE QUEUE, THEY CAN'T REALLY GET OVER TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PASS THEM.
AND SO YOU HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS VAN HERE THAT'S A PARENT WHO'S WAITING, AND YOU HAVE THIS RED CAR WHO IT'S LIKE, OH, I HAVE PLACES TO BE, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS YOU.
AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MAKE THIS MANEUVER INTO THAT NORTHBOUND TRAVEL LANE.
AND WHEN IT GETS A LITTLE HAIRY IS WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ALSO PARKED IN THE EASTERN PARKING LANE.
AND SO IT KIND OF CREATES THIS UNSAFE PASSING SITUATION AND THAT CAUSES THIS TRAFFIC QUEUE.
SO AFTER RECEIVING THE REQUEST LETTER, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTS, WE CONSULTED THE SCHOOL'S DIVISION ON WHAT THE BEST PATH PORT WOULD BE AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO A PROPOSED PARKING RESTRICTION HERE? AFTER TALKING WITH THEM, WE CAME UP WITH THIS POTENTIAL SOLUTION OF, AGAIN, IT'S A TIMED RESTRICTION ON THE ONLY, THE WESTERN SIDE OF HUBBARD.
AGAIN, IT'S ONLY FROM THE PORTION FROM PENMAN INTERSECTION TO JUST PAST THE FIRE STATION.
AND IT WOULD REALLY ONLY BE DURING THOSE SCHOOL DROP OFF AND PICK UP HOURS.
SO WE'RE TALKING 7:00 AM TO 10:00 AM AND THEN 2:00 PM TO 5:00 PM AND ONLY ON WEEKDAYS.
AND I WANNA NOTE THAT EVEN ALL THE TIME, AND EVEN DURING THE RESTRICTED PARKING HOURS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU CAN STILL COME AND PARK YOUR CAR ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND I ACTUALLY SAW PARENTS DOING THIS WHEN I PULLED UP.
I PARKED IN THIS SIDE OF THE STREET AND I SAW SOME PARENTS WOULD COME AND UTILIZE THIS DESIGNATED PARKING SPACE IF THEY WANTED TO ACCESS THE SCHOOL.
UM, AND THIS PARKING LANE RUNS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF HUBBARD.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF QUICKLY SUM, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE IN ADDITION TO 1548 A, THAT'S OUR SECTION TO COUNTY CODE OF RESTRICTED PARKING ON SECONDARY HIGHWAYS.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD ONLY BE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, AND WE DID GET CONCURRENCE FROM SCHOOLS FOR THIS PROPOSED RESTRICTION.
SO THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND YOU CAN APPROVE IT THROUGH YOUR ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
GOT ANY QUESTIONS MR. MR. ROY? YEAH, I, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DISADVANTAGE
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IS THE, THE LANES ARE ALL BLOCKED BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DROP OFF KIDS AND NOBODY CAN GET THROUGH.SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT THAT'S GOOD FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT BECAUSE THE KIDS CROSSING THE ROAD, UH, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CARS MOVING BACK AND FORTH.
NOW WE'RE OPENING UP AN EXTRA LANE, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CARS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OF ADDING A CROSSWALK ON THIS, UH, STREET? SO THAT DESIGNATED, UH, CROSSING AREA WHERE KIDS CAN CROSS FROM THE AREA WHERE THE PARENTS NOW ARE FORCED TO PARK, UH, ALLOWS 'EM TO SAFELY ACROSS THE ROAD.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I'VE GOT WITH THIS WHOLE, UH, PROPOSAL.
IT JUST, IT'S MISSED THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF HOW DO WE MOVE CHILDREN SAFELY ACROSS THE ROAD? MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE WITH VDOT AND WITH THE RESIDENCY.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A LANDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, BECAUSE THAT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT WHEN YOU CREATE A CROSSWALK, HAVING THE RECEPTION POINT ON THE OTHER SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE WITH THEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, FEAR I HAVE IS THAT WE'VE OPENED UP A, UH, POTENTIAL FOR, UM, AN ACCIDENT.
ALL RIGHT, MR. JURY, A COUPLE REAL QUICK.
JUST DURING THOSE TIME PERIODS.
SO WHEN THEY'RE PARKING THERE, ARE THEY LETTING OFF CHILDREN? ARE THEY TEACHERS? ARE THEY NOT? NOT FROM WHAT I OBSERVED.
SO I WENT OUT THERE A FEW TIMES AND IT'S, I, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE IT'S TEACHERS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS EITHER TEACHERS OR PEOPLE WHO WERE PARKING THERE.
AND THEN LIKE, WALKING INTO THE SCHOOL FOR, AND STAYING THERE FOR SOME TIME, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF, AGAIN, PARENTS WHO WERE JUST PULLING OVER TO WAIT IN THE QUEUE TO GRAB THEIR KID AND LEAVE.
UM, SO IT COULD BE VOLUNTEERS, IT COULD BE VOLUNTEER MOMS OR SOMETHING, UH, AIDS IN THE CLASSROOM, THINGS LIKE THAT PERHAPS.
SO IS THERE NOT ENOUGH PARKING AT THE SCHOOL FOR THIS? IS THAT WHY THEY'RE PARKING ON THE ROAD? OR IS IT MORE CONVENIENT, WOULD YOU SAY? IT COULD BE A CONVENIENCE, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE PARKING LOT VOLUME, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY DO A SURVEY OF MULTIPLE HOURS OF HOW MANY CARS WERE THERE.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR SCHOOLS TO ADDRESS.
UM, I THINK, AGAIN, OUR CONCERN AND REALLY WHAT THE RESIDENTS CONCERNED WERE WITH, BECAUSE OF THE WAY HOW TRAFFIC WAS BACKING UP, IT WAS MAKING IT REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO LIKE, GET OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
AND THEN WHEN YOU HAD ALL THE PEOPLE PASSING AND LIKE GETTING INTO THE NORTHBOUND LANE, IT WAS JUST MAKING A LITTLE SCARY FOR THEM.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT POINT.
IF WE STOP THE PARKING THERE, WILL THAT ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM? OR IS THAT PROBLEM JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE BACKED UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
SO OUR, I THINK THE IDEA BEHIND THE PROPOSAL, AGAIN, IS TO KIND OF CLEAR OUT THAT WESTERN SPACE, SO PARENTS WHO ARE WAITING CAN PULL OVER AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM.
SO SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING SOUTHBOUND CAN PASS A LITTLE MORE SAFELY THAN HAVING TO COMPLETELY GET OVER INTO THAT NORTHBOUND LANE AND THEN POTENTIALLY RUN INTO A CONFLICT WHEN SOMEBODY'S ALSO ON THE EASTERN SIDE.
AND SO THE NORTHBOUND PERSON DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO AND THEY GET STUCK.
SO THE LANE WILL BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED FOR PARENTS DROPPING KIDS OFF? YEAH, THEY DO THAT ALREADY WHEN THEY'RE SO, 'CAUSE THE, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, LIKE THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE SCHOOL STACKS UP, AND SO PARENTS JUST, THEY, THEY CUE IN THE ROAD WHILE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
BUT THEY'RE, BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING, THEY'RE SLOWLY MOVING, BUT THEY AREN'T MOVING, SO THEY JUST CUE IN THE ROAD.
BUT AGAIN, NOT HAVING THE CARS SITTING THERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE ROAD WOULD HOPEFULLY ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO BUMP OVER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM.
NO, I'M HOPING THIS WILL ALLEVIATE OKAY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS GONNA BE LIKE A TRANSFER.
WE'RE TRANSFERRING THE PROBLEM FROM NOW, NOT THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT THE TRAFFIC'S GONNA BE BACKED UP EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT OCCURRING FROM THIS.
BUT RECOGNIZE, THIS IS OUR MOST OVERLY CROWDED SCHOOL IN THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, BEEN, IT'S ABOUT 25% OVER CAPACITY.
SO YOU'VE GOT LIMITED PARKING.
IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THIS SIZE OF SCHOOL, UH, CAPACITY.
WELL, WE, WE, WE GOT A LOT OF THE SAME ISSUES AT SEAFORD.
I MEAN, SO MANY PARENTS DROP THEIR KIDS OFF.
IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DEPUTIES THERE EVERY DAY AND WE HAVE BUS SERVICE.
SO THE DEPUTIES, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MESS AT SEAFORD AS WELL.
SO, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I'M GOOD.
THIS IS A VERY SIMILAR PROBLEM TO WHAT THEY HAVE, OR THEY DID HAVE THE TIME.
UM, AT TAB, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO LITERALLY IT BECAME, THAT WAS NOT A PLACE TO GO.
BUT IF YOU LIVED IN BETWEEN TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL
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IN MOUNT VERNON, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SCREWED.YOU JUST, THERE WAS NO WAY, NO PLACE TO GO OR GET OUT.
UM, SO WHAT THEY DID, I BELIEVE, IS THEY LOOKED AT THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND THEY CREATED A LONGER STACKING LINE IN ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY.
DID DID YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THAT? WE DID.
I THINK THE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE MAP HERE OF SEE MAGRUDER, THEY DID NOT SEE HER MAP.
SO I THINK WITH THE, THE KIND OF, WITH MAGRUDER, IT'S THE SITE ITSELF, LIKE IN, IN CONTEXTUAL WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, WHERE THEY RUN, PICKUP UP THERE ISN'T A LOT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE COURTS RIGHT HERE.
SO TRYING TO EXTEND IT ON SITE I THINK WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.
WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU'D LOOKED AT IT.
UH, IF IT'S NOT THERE, IT'S NOT THERE, BUT, MM-HMM.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, ENFORCING NO PARKING ON THAT ROAD SHOULD PROVIDE SOME RELIEF, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE COMPLETE.
SO YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE STILL STACKING UP.
UM, SAME SONG, DIFFERENT VERSE AS FAR AS CONGESTION AROUND AROUND SCHOOLS.
AND WE HAVE A CHALLENGE HERE IN DISTRICT FOUR ALSO, AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND TALKED TO, UM, JIMMY RICHARDSON, MY COUNTERPART OF THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THINGS WE CAN DO IN MOUNT VERNON.
DIFFERENT WAYS, MAYBE WE CAN UTILIZE, IT'S RIGHT BESIDE THE, THE POWER LINES.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE UTILIZE THAT? SO DIFFERENT CHALLENGES EVERYWHERE YOU GO.
WHEN YOU WERE THERE DOING YOUR OBSERVATION, THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC TO ACTUALLY DROPPING STUDENTS OFF, DID THAT FLOW STEADILY OR WAS THAT LOT? IT DID ACTUALLY.
IT WAS, THEY HAD IT, FROM WHAT I OBSERVED, IT, IT SEEMED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT SYSTEM.
AND SO THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHERS WERE POSITIONED TO KIND OF GUIDE TRAFFIC AND THEN IT CARS WERE MOVING, YOU KNOW, THEY, AGAIN, IT WASN'T SUPER QUICKLY, BUT THEY DID MOVE.
IT WAS, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, OKAY, YOU HAVE THESE CARS THAT ARE SLOWLY GETTING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE QUEUE, AND THEN PEOPLE WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, OH, I WANNA GO WHERE I GO NOW.
AND SO THEY KNOW THEY WHIP OUT TO THE NORTH LANE.
AND SO AGAIN, THE QUEUE MOVES.
I DON'T, IT DOESN'T, JUST FROM WHAT I SAW, IT DIDN'T JUST STOP.
AND THEN PEOPLE DIDN'T JUST SIT THERE FOR LIKE FIVE MINUTES NOT MOVING.
SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE CARS PARKED ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE.
UM, SO THE IDEA OF THEN OPENING THAT LANE UP SO THAT THE PEOPLE DROPPING OFF, STUDENTS CAN FLOW THERE AGAINST THE SIDEWALK AND KIND OF OPEN THE LANE UP.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE TRAIN THE FOLKS TO START USING THIS NEW NEWLY OPEN LANE? I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, I'M GONNA PUT A SIGN THAT SAYS, HEY, NO PARKING, BUT I WANNA DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM NOT EVEN DROPPING THROUGH IT EITHER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE SCHOOL DIVISION ABOUT HOW TO USE THIS NEWLY ACQUIRED SPACE TO, OR THE DROP OFF.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY.
SO WE'RE GOING, IS THAT, IS THAT MESSAGING TO PARENTS TO LIKE, HEY, IF YOU'RE WAITING IN THE QUEUE, PULL OVER.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE HAPPEN IS WE PUT IT NO PARKING, NOBODY PARKS THERE.
SO THAT NOW THAT, NOW THAT SHOULD'S OPEN.
BUT EVERYBODY'S STILL IN THE LANE.
AND WHERE, WHERE THEY COULD GET OVER AT THE WAY FOR PEOPLE PASSED.
I THINK ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED, I WAS GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH GREGORY DOLA.
UM, AND DR. CARROLL ABOUT GETTING THAT MESSAGING OUT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
IT'S RIGHT BEFORE SCHOOLS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND TELLING THE TEACHERS THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF TELL PEOPLE, OKAY, THIS WILL BE OPEN.
I, I WOULD THINK THEY ALSO COULD JUST PUT SIGNS THAT SAY DROP OFF LANE, NO PARKING, DROP OFF LANE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE'S, IT IS FOR THE DROP OFF THAT MIGHT, OR IN, IN INBOUND TRAFFIC, THERE IS A SIGN DROP OFF.
UM, IS THE APPLICANT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS? ANYBODY? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO I WILL THEN, UM, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THIS.
DOES ANYBODY LIKE, LIKE, LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO IT? I HAVE NO, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR 24 DASH 18.
UM, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? NO, I THINK, UH, THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL HAS SUPPORTED IT, THE, UH, PARENTS ACROSS THE ROAD HAVE SUPPORTED IT.
UM, AND, AND WE CLEARLY HAVE A CONGESTION PROBLEM TODAY.
UH, I THINK ANYTHING WE DO TO, UH, SOLVE THE CONGESTION IS HELPFUL.
WHICH CONGESTION AND SAFETY, WHICH I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE, HAVE WE HAD ANY, SORRY, I JUST JUST REMEMBERED.
HAVE WE HAD ANY TRAFFIC INCIDENTS ON THAT ROAD
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DUE TO THIS CONGESTION THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NO.I, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA FOR LIKE COUNT AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS LIKE THIS KIND OF CRASH PARTICULARLY, I COULD PULL THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
WELL, WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN TRAFFIC INCIDENT BECAUSE OF THIS.
ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, I WITNESSED A NEAR ONE BECAUSE AGAIN, SOMEBODY WAS MAKING QUICK MANEUVER AND ACTUALLY, IRONICALLY IT WAS A SCHOOL BUS WHO WAS COMING THE OPPOSITE WAY.
THERE'S ALSO A FIRE STATION THERE.
I THINK THAT FOR ME, BEING, SEEING WHAT HAPPENED AT SEAFORD ELEMENTARY, THEY WERE FORTUNATE.
WE WERE FORTUNATE THAT THE BAPTIST CHURCH IS ALLOWING DROP OFF LANE TO COME AROUND THE CHURCH AND PARK AND BE IN THE QUEUE.
AND, UH, BUT BEFORE THAT IT WAS A NIGHTMARE GETTING DOWN SEAFORD ROAD BEFORE THEY WIDENED THAT.
AND SAME SITUATION, PEOPLE WERE IN A QUEUE AND TRYING TO DROP THEIR KIDS OFF AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET TO WORK AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HORNS BLOWING AND PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, I THINK A GOOD THING TO AT LEAST ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT PROBLEM.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOWLES TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 18 TO AMEND SECTION 1548 OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE TO ADD PARKING RESTRICTIONS TO HUBBARD LANE AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE LAST
[4 Application Nos. ST-024-24 and ZT-199-24 York County Planning Commission. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 24-17 to amend various sections of the York County Subdivision Ordinance (Chapter 20.5) and the York County Zoning Ordinance (Chapter 24.1), in the York County Code.]
AGENDA ITEM FOR TONIGHT.UM, CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 17 TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE YORK COUNTY CODE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ARIZONA ORDINANCE.
NOW, BEFORE WE GET INTO IT, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.
UM, SOME OF THE HOUSEKEEPING DOT AND I CROSSING THE T TYPE, UH, CHANGES YOU NEED TO GET STRAIGHT.
THERE'S ALSO SOME CHANGES THAT'LL BE MORE, UM, IMPACTFUL THAN THAT.
UM, AND SINCE WE ARE NOT UNDER ANY TIME CONSTRAINT TO GET A NEW ZONE ORDINANCE IN PLACE, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO PUSH THROUGH IN A MARATHON SESSION TO COVER ALL THE TOPICS AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL START THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
WE SEE HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD WE GET.
AT SOME POINT I'LL CALL A TIMEOUT AND PROBABLY WE WILL CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION INTO OUR NEXT MEETING AT THE WORK SESSION.
OR WE MAY GET THROUGH IT ALL TONIGHT.
WE'LL JUST SEE HOW IT FLOWS AND THE QUESTIONS.
BUT I DON'T WANT ANY PRESSURE ON ANYBODY THINKING THAT WE GOTTA WRAP THIS UP TONIGHT.
I WANNA GIVE EVERYTHING THE RIGHT PROPER TIME AND ATTENTION.
SO WE'LL GET STARTED AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT TAKES US.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, THIS APPLICATION CONTAINS A SERIES OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS PREPARED BY STAFF.
THEY ARE INTENDED TO ADDRESS SEVERAL AREAS WHERE CHANGES HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED FOR CONSIDERATION IN RESPONSE TO CITIZEN REQUESTS AND QUESTIONS, AS WELL AS TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS.
MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ASK OUR QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAH, YEAH.
DON'T, YEAH, DON'T STACK 'EM ALL UP BECAUSE MIGHT NOT GET TO TONIGHT, SO, RIGHT.
THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
IN ARTICLE ONE 13, WE ARE REQUIRING A $130 FEE FOR AMENDMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO PRELIMINARY AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
UM, CURRENTLY WE ARE CHARGING THE $130 FOR SITE PLANS.
AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING THIS ALSO TO ADD IT TO THE PRELIMINARY AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARTICLE.
BEFORE YOU GET GOING HERE, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOUR, WHERE ARE YOU STARTING? I DID THE RIGHT, THE 20.5 RIGHT AT THE SUMMARY.
UH, WE ARE, WE WE'RE STARTING IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE PAGE ONE.
I MEAN, WE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LIKE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
YEAH, WELL, SHE'S ON PAGE TWO.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE TWO, SO, WELL, THIS SAYS RIGHT HERE IS 20.5 SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
MR. SHEPHERD, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE OR THE MEMO? WELL, I'M LOOKING, IT SAYS SUMMARY.
BUT IN THIS, OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THIS WOULD START, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ORDINANCE, IS 24 DASH 1724.
LOOKING AT THOSE 24 1, IS IT 1 1 15, 1 1 7.
WHAT ARE THE, THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
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COM.THAT'S GONNA BE THE ACTION FOR THIS WHOLE BATCH.
OH, THAT'S, OH, THAT'S THE, WITH THE, UH, THERE YOU GO.
AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT AS WE DISCUSS THESE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE ORDER.
MS. NO, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO.
UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU, YOU'VE ADDED A, A CHANGE THE NOMINAL FEE OF $130 FOR SUBMITTING, UH, THESE PLANS.
HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY? WELL, WE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FEE.
WE'RE, WE'VE NEVER CHARGED A FEE FOR DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WELL, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE AN UNUSUAL NUMBER TO ME.
WELL, THE SITE PLANS ARE $130.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CHARGING THE SAME FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
I GUESS I, I'VE ASKED YOU THE QUESTION, WHY INITIALLY DO WE HAVE A CHARGE OF 130 $130? IT COULD BE 125, IT COULD BE 150, IT COULD BE A HUNDRED.
BUT 130 IS A SORT OF AN ODD DUCK
YEAH, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, AS ZELIE MENTIONED, AGAIN, WE, WE CHARGED THAT FOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS ALREADY.
AND WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM THIS YEAR.
THIS ACTUALLY USED TO BE, I THINK IT WAS A HUNDRED.
WAS IT A HUNDRED OR 115? IT WAS A HUNDRED.
AND A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE RAISED FEES AND THAT WAS THE NUMBER.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE WERE, WHAT ESSENTIALLY IS WE LOOKED AT ALL THE LOOK DIFFERENT LOCALITIES AROUND US AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DO THEY CHARGE? AND THEN WHAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE BASED ON OUR SIZE AND WHAT WE SEE? AND SO THAT'S, THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED FROM THAT ANALYSIS.
AND WHAT WOULD BE A APPROPRIATE FEE TO CHARGE? HMM.
I STILL, THAT'S IT STILL DOESN'T HELP ME.
SO IT'S THE SAME FEE WE CHARGE FOR OTHER PLANS, BUT WE DO NOT CHARGE CURRENTLY FOR DEVELOPMENT OR PRELIMINARY PLANS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHY, WHY FIGURE ONE 30? BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WE CHARGE FOR OTHER AMENDMENTS.
IT'S WHY WE CHARGE ONE 30 FOR THE OTHER AMENDMENTS.
WELL, I MEAN, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? UH, IT'S EQUIVALENT TO WHAT OTHER LOCALITIES CHARGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE CHANGED TWO YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S NOT REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXTRA TIME THAT YOU PUT IN IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID FOR ANY TIME WE PUT IN.
NOW WHEN WE DEVELOP THOSE PLANS.
SO WE FIGURED WE'D CHARGE A FEE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
WE GET ZERO WHEN WE REVIEW THOSE TWO TYPES OF PLANS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST TO BE, IT'S AN ARBITRARY NUMBER THAT YOU'VE JUST PICKED OUT OF THE ETHER.
WE, IT'S THE SAME FEE WE CHARGE FOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT FOR A SITE PLAN, WE CHARGE YOU $130.
THAT'S THE FEE IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
BUT FOR THESE TWO TYPES OF PLANS, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE NOT SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
THEY'RE PRELIMINARY PLANS AND DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
WE DON'T CHARGE A FEE RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS GONNA ALLOW US TO CHARGE A FEE FOR THOSE.
SO WHY I THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE DOING IT NOW? THAT'S RIGHT.
WHY ARE WE WHAT PUTTING, GOING FROM ZERO TO ONE 30? UH, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO CHARGE FOR OUR TIME, THE TIME THAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE PAID TO DO.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO ALREADY.
SO IF IT WAS SOMETHING, SOME INCENTIVE, UH, BECAUSE YOU CHARGE $130 FOR A A, A PLAN MODIFICATION AND YOU COULD HAVE HOW MANY ITERATIONS OF A PLAN? I MEAN, SO YOU POP IN $130 EVERY TIME YOU DO THIS, RIGHT? NO, IT'S FOR ARE YOU TRYING TO, IT'S JUST FROM THE ONE TIME YOU SUBMITED THE FIRST TIME YOU SUBMITTED THE REVIEW, THE MULTIPLE REVIEWS.
DON'T, WE DON'T CHARGE A FEE FOR THOSE.
I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE CHARGE $130.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING HER QUESTION.
WHY, WHY ARE WE WANT TO CHARGE? DO WE NEED $130? IS THERE SOME, SOME REASON TO DO THIS AT $130 WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE IN THE PAST NOT BEEN DOING IT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN, SO WHAT DO WE HOPE TO, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR FREE.
AND SO NOW WE WANT TO, WE ARE THINKING WE SHOULD CHARGE A FEE NOW TO GET BACK SOME OF THAT STAFF TIME.
WE, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE PAID.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING A SALARY FOR THIS.
SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING? WHAT ARE WE GETTING? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GETTING MONEY FOR.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT NOT PAYING YOUR SALARY.
WELL, THIS HELPS TO PAY THE SALARY OF THE STAFF.
SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THIS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S A PROPOSAL THAT WE ARE, YOU ARE REQUESTING TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CHARGE IT, THEN YOU COULD STRIKE IT FROM THE RESOLUTION.
I MEAN, THIS WAS STAFF'S INPUT TO YOU THAT WE'RE DOING THESE PLANS BASICALLY FOR FREE.
AND WE FELT IT MAY BE TIME TO START CHARGING THE, FOR THESE PLANS RATHER THAN JUST DOING THEM, YOU KNOW, FREE OF CHARGE.
AND THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T WANNA DO ALL THIS IN ONE NIGHT.
UM, WE'LL GET THROUGH WHAT WE CAN.
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YOU SAID, MR. CHAIR, MAY I, MAY I, OKAY.SO MR. ANDERSON, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE WE'VE NOT BEEN CHARGING, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE CHARGING? YES, SIR.
AND SO PART OF THIS IS ABOUT RECOVERING COSTS.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT WE PAY YOU, BUT PART OF THIS IS ABOUT RECOVERING COSTS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED TO A PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WHICH TO THE BUILDER DEVELOPER MAY OR MAY NOT BASED ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE B COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ASSUMPTION.
WELL, CAN I JUST, YOU PITCH IN HERE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BASICALLY WE CHARGE 'EM A FEE TO COVER THE AD REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH $130 ON THIS? A PLAN THAT OUR STAFF WHO'S ALREADY SALARIED TO DO THE WORK.
WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE FEE FOR? IT'S NOT, ARE WE, ARE WE COVERING, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE COVERING THERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ADVERTISING THIS AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT THIS, THIS PLAN IS CAUSING US, UH, TO ACTUALLY SPEND SPECIFICALLY MONEY FOR.
BUT IF WE'RE, IF WE'VE HIRED A STAFF THAT DOES THE JOB ALREADY, I DON'T CARE WHAT NEWPORT NEWS AND HAMPTON DOES, IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR NOTHING.
AND, AND I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DRIVER TO MAKE IT NOW A CHARGE AND JUST WHAT RE FEES.
YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE RECOVERING AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU'RE RECOVERING.
AND, AND THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S TO THE POINT WE, WHEN WE MENTION WE'RE RECOVERING COSTS, WHAT COSTS WE'RE RECOVERING.
I DON'T CONSIDER LABOR A RECOVERABLE COST BECAUSE WE HAVE A STAFF ALREADY.
BUT IF THERE IS MATERIAL, OTHER EXPENSES THAT'S COSTING THE COUNTY TO REVIEW OR PROCESS THESE PLANS, THEN THAT'S A RECOVERABLE COST.
BUT DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF EXPENSES RELATED WITH THESE PLANS? WELL, I MEAN, WITH SITE PLANS, SUBDIVISION PLANS, WE CHARGE A FEE CURRENTLY FOR ALL OF THOSE.
AND THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THESE PLANS.
CURRENTLY WE FELT LIKE THESE WERE PLANS THAT WE ARE REVIEWING SIMILAR TO SITE PLANS AND SUBDIVISION PLANS.
SO WE SHOULD CHARGE THEM THE SAME FEE WE CHARGE THEM FOR THOSE PLAN REVIEWS.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO EXPENSES THAT WE'RE RECOVERING, WE'RE TRYING TO RECOVER WITH, WITH THIS NEW FEE.
I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A SOLID FEE COST.
I MEAN, WE, WE PRINT THINGS, WE USE PENS AND PAPER, YOU KNOW, UM, COMPUTERS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE USED DURING THESE TIMES.
ARE, ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT A BUILDER COMES IN WITH IS DONE PROPERLY SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AMENDMENTS.
IT'S THIS SORT OF A, WE A DISTORT TO HAVING AMENDMENTS.
BUT IT'S VERY HARD FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND GET APPROVAL THE FIRST TIME.
EVEN ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH US FOR YEARS AND YEARS, NEVER GET IT DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
IF THAT EVER HAPPENED, IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING THING.
WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A, WE GIVE, WE MIGHT GIVE THEM $130.
IF THEY DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
THIS TO BE THE INCENTIVE THE OTHER WAY.
OKAY, LET ME, CAN I APPROACH THIS JUST FROM ANOTHER ANGLE REAL QUICK? OKAY.
SO WHEN I SEE SUBDIVISION PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN IN IN THE PAST, UM, SOMEBODY, I DUNNO IF IT'S THE DEVELOPER OR THE COUNTY STAFF.
WE HAVE A BIG PRINTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WE, OR I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THAT, BUT I'VE SEEN THESE BIG ROLES OF, OF, UH, PLAT LOOKS LIKE PLATS.
IS THAT PROVIDED TO US BY THE DEVELOPER? YES.
OR IS THAT, OR WE DO THAT OURSELVES.
UH, MOST OF THE TIME WE REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO SUBMIT A PAPER PLAN.
SO WE'RE NOT EVEN RECOVERING THAT COST.
WELL, I DON'T SEE, TO ME IF, IF YOU'RE CHARGING THE FOR SITE PLANS AND STUFF, THIS IS THE SAME THING.
SO IF YOU'RE SAYING LET'S DO AWAY WITH THIS, THEN WE NEED TO DO AWAY WITH THE OTHER 130 FOR THE SITE PLANS AND STUFF.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GETTING PAID TO DO THAT TOO.
I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WELL THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER HORSE YOU GOTTA DRAW HERE.
WELL, I I I WE GOTTA KEEP IT EQUITABLE, I WOULD THINK, RIGHT? NO.
WE DO THINGS THE WAY WE WANT TO DO IN YOUR COUNTY.
I'M DOING IT FOR NEWPORT NEWS.
I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU'RE FUSSING ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU'RE NOT FUSSING ABOUT TAKING IT UP FOR A SITE PLAN.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE SITE PLAN BIT? THIS IS WHAT'S ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT HERE.
WELL, I'M SAYING THEY REVIEW THESE SITE PLANS JUST LIKE THEY REVIEW THESE AND IF THEY'RE CHARGING 130 FOR THE SITE PLAN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN A SITE PLAN AND JUST, YEAH, SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
SO WHY ARE WE NOW CHARGING IT AND NOT, I'M SAYING NOT HAVING DONE THIS FOREVER.
MAYBE WE NEED TO REVAMP THE WHOLE SYSTEM AND STOP CHARGING FOR ANY SITE PLAN.
I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, TO BE HONEST
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WITH YOU.I SAW THE SAME THING THAT SHEILA WAS RAISING, AND I'M GOING, WHY ARE WE CHANGING THIS TO $130? WHAT'S THE DRIVER TO DO THIS ONE SPECIFIC POINT? I DON'T LIKE JUST CHARGING FEES JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.
SO WE GOTTA HAVE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR THIS.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA STOP HERE.
WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA BE EQUITABLE, WE DON'T WANNA STOP HERE.
SO LET'S, SO I I'M ON BOARD WITH YOU, BUT LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
EVENTUALLY GET THIS KNOCKED OUT, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE WRITE PROPOSALS TO CHANGE WHAT, WHAT EXISTS.
SO THE STUDENT KINDA LIKE ONE, ONE STEP AT A TIME.
OTHERWISE WE'RE WRITING A WHOLE ZONE OF ORDINANCE ONE SHOT.
I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE QUESTION.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WITH THIS, WE GOTTA, I THINK WE NEED TO GO ACROSS THE BOARD AND LOOK AT IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON, ON, ON THIS? THAT'S A GOOD START.
SO, YEAH, WE GOT 40 MORE PAGES AGO.
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CALL TIME? I'M, I'M WATCHING THE CLOCK.
JUST DON'T TAKE US PAST MIDNIGHT.
I'M NOT GONNA TAKE US ANYWHERE NEAR THAT LIGHT.
IN ARTICLE FIVE, UH, 60, THE CLERK'S OFFICE ACCEPTS PAPER PLATS, UM, BEFORE THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED MILER FILM.
HOWEVER, UM, BECAUSE THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS ACCEPTING PAPER PLATS, WE ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE CODE TO REFLECT THIS CHANGE.
BY THE WAY, IN APPENDIX B, WE ARE SIMPLY CHANGING, UH, THE NAME FROM DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
WE, I'VE BEEN CALLED TO YOU GUYS ANYWAY, SO THAT'S GOOD.
IT'S THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS, UH, REFER TO CHAPTER 24.1 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE ADDED NEW DEFINITIONS AND ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS IS FOR FOOD TRUCK PARK.
A SECOND DEFINITION THAT WE ADDED IS GROCERY STORE.
WE WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, THE DEFINITION OF A GROCERY STORE, SPECIALTY FOOD STORE.
IT WAS ALREADY IN THE LAND USE TABLE.
HOWEVER, UH, THE TABLE OF LAND USE, HOWEVER, WE WANTED TO DEFINE IT.
SO WE ADDED IT TO THE DEFINITIONS AND WE ADDED SELF-SERVICE, ICE SPENDING UNIT.
SO THESE, THESE ARE NEW INDEPENDENT CLASSIFICATIONS OR DEFINITIONS OF BUSINESSES.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND YOU SEE THE DEFINITIONS OF, UH, CERTAIN WORDS, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WANTED TO ADD TO THE, TO THE DEFINITIONS.
AND UM, ALSO I WANTED TO MENTION THAT FOR SELF-SERVICE, ICE SPENDING UNIT, IN RESPONSE TO A PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED CHANGING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO 18 FEET.
UM, SO PREVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF A GROCERY STORE.
UH, WELL, WE WANTED TO CLARIFY.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO CLARIFY IT IN THE DEFINITION.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GROCERY STORE AND SPECIALTY FOOD STORE.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION HERE, PLEASE? YEP.
SO WHAT'S, SO WHAT WOULD WAWA BE? CONVENIENCE.
I MEAN, IF YOU, I MEAN, THINKING OF A STORE NOW BECAUSE OF TRANSITION, THE GAS STATIONS AND, AND SPECIFICALLY WAWA GETS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THEY GET MORE OFF THE GROCERIES THAN THEY DO OFF THE GAS.
WELL, WAWA WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONVENIENCE STORE.
SO WHEN THERE WAS A NEW APPLICATION FOR A GROCERY STORE PREVIOUSLY, HOW WAS IT CLASSIFIED? UM, HOW WAS IT? WE, WE WOULD CLASSIFY 'EM AS GROCERY STORES.
REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS 'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WHEN, UM, WE WOULD GET THESE LIKE SPECIALTY FOOD STORES.
AND, UM, WHEN I SAY SPECIALTY FOOD STORE, IT'S LIKE A LITTLE KOREAN MARKET THAT WOULD COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE IN A SHOPPING CENTER.
AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE A CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN LIKE A GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MENTIONED LIKE A KROGER, AND THEN THESE SMALLER SPECIALTY FOOD STORE.
LIKE AGAIN, WHEN I MENTIONED LIKE AN ETHNIC MARKET THAT'S A LOT SMALLER IN SCALE AND WOULDN'T REALLY COME TO THE SCALE OF LIKE A GROCERY STORE.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WE DECIDED TO PUT THOSE DEFINITIONS IN THERE, TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR IN OUR ORDINANCE.
ALRIGHT, BUT WHY, WHY WERE THEY NEEDED? I MEAN, DID, DID THIS PREVENT
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PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP THOSE STORES IN THE PAST? NO, IT DIDN'T PREVENT ANY, WE, THIS DIDN'T, DIDN'T PREVENT GROCERY STORES.AGAIN, THERE WAS SOME WITH AN EARLIER, WE HAD SOME EARLIER PROPOSED USES.
AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY DEFINE LIKE A GROCERY STORE IN A SPECIALTY FOOD STORE, THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION FOR THE OWNER OVER, WELL, WHAT AM I EXACTLY, WHAT DO YOU CALL ME? AND SO AGAIN, HAVING THESE LEGAL DEFINITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
SO IF, OR MAYBE IF YOU'RE PROPOSING YOUR BUSINESS, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE PLACES YOU GO, IT'S THE FIRST PLACE YOU REFERENCED TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT AM I LEGALLY DEFINED AS? EXACTLY.
AND SO WHEN IT'S REFLECTED IN THE TABLE OF LAND USES, IT'S CLEAR.
THERE JUST, SO, SO YOU KNOW, AS, AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT PROBLEM THAT WE'RE SOLVING AND NOT REALLY SEEING A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE SOLVING.
HERE'S SOME CLARIFICATION, WHICH IS FINE, BUT I DON'T SEE THERE WAS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDED TO BE SOLVED, WHICH GOOD, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
BUT AGAIN, I'M, LOOK, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE SOLVING AS WE'RE MAKING THESE CHANGES? BUT SO DO WE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE GAS STATIONS ANYMORE? AS A DEFINITION? I MEAN, WE, ONE TIME WE DID, I MEAN, I JUST THINK OF ORIENTA AND 17, WE HAVE FOUR GAS STATIONS, BASICALLY.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
AND THEN SO WITH, YOU KNOW, COLONIAL FARMS OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED ROYAL WAWA.
AND NOW YOU, THEY'RE CONVENIENCE STORES NOW.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY TO SELL.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDER CONVENIENCE STORES MOSTLY.
THEY'RE UNDER CONVENIENCE STORES.
AND THE GAS PUMPS ARE ACCESSORY USED TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE IN MOST CASES.
YOU DON'T NORMALLY SEE JUST A GAS STATION ANYMORE.
A STANDALONE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE IN A AUTO REPAIR GARAGE AND THEN THEY HAVE GAS PUMPS OR SOMETHING.
OR THEY HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS BUMPS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THE MAIN STORE IS, LIKE YOU SAID, MR. SHEPHERD, IT'S THE GROCERY SIDE OF IT.
SO ARE WE GOING, I, I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT ARE WE GONNA EVENTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A, A DEFINITION FOR, UM, STORES THAT HAVE ELECTRICAL PLUGINS,
WE CONSIDER THAT KIND OF AN ACCESSORY USE TO LIKE THE WAWA.
THE WAWA JUST SAYING 17 JUST RECENTLY ADDED THAT.
YEAH, THEY JUST, YEAH, IT IS ACCESSORY USE.
JUST LIKE RED BOX USED TO BE IN THE PAST.
THOSE PROPANE GAS TANKS, THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF ACCESSORY USES YOU SEE AT THOSE PLACES.
SO WE DID NOT HAVE A DEFINITION FOR WETLAND.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE SHE WENT OVER THAT SERVICE.
UM, WE ADDED THE, THE WORD INLAND TO NON-TITLE AND WE ALSO ADDED COASTAL TO TITLE I.
I, SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT ONE.
I THINK WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GO WITH WHAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, DEFINITION FOR WETLAND? SO THAT SHOULD BE MAIN.
I DON'T WANNA SEE A CHANGE IN THAT ONE.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NON-TITLE? THE THE WAIT, YEAH, THE WETLANDS TITLE.
SO THAT DEFINITION, WHERE IS THAT DEFINITION FROM? UH, EPA ENVIRONMENTAL, YES.
THIS, THIS IS A DEFINITION STRAIGHT FROM THEM.
IT WAS PROVIDED BY OUR YEAH, IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, IT'S THE EPA SECTION 4 0 4.
IT REFERENCES THE SECTION I'M LOOKING AT EXACT EXACT.
THE EXACT ORDINANCE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT NON-TITLE INLAND.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON YEAH, THERE WAS THIS GENERAT THIS DID GENERATE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MEAN, LAST NIGHT I HAD TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF WATER IN MY FRONT YARD AND IT WAS, IT WAS WET FOR A VARYING PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THROUGH THE GROWING SEASON.
SO IS MY FRONT YARD, WHICH IS 60 FEET ABOVE WATER, BUT LIKE FROZEN AT IS PART OF THE TITLE WETLANDS.
I JUST, THE DEFINITION IS VERY WEAK BY THE EPA.
THERE'S LOTS OF PROPERTY BECAUSE SUDDENLY BE JUST DESIGNATED AS WETLAND AND, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE PROPERTY LIKE THAT TOO.
I GOT, I GOT FROGS GROWING THERE.
AND IN 24 HOURS, IT'S NOT WETLANDS.
SO WHY WOULD, WHY THEN I WETLANDS THE, FOR TWO DAYS WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE TWO DAYS TO DRY.
WHY WOULD WE JUST, WHY WOULD WE JUST USE THE EPAS CODE SECTION AND WHY WOULD WE MAKE THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THE EPA.
THEN THE EPA CONSIDERS, APPARENTLY MY PROPERTY AND MR. ROY'S PROPERTY IS WETLANDS DURING CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.
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IT COULD BE RECEIVED THAT READING THAT WOULD NOT, THE EPA WOULD NOT CONSIDER YOUR, IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT CLOSE TO WETLANDS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, THERE'S A, IT JUST DEFINES WHAT WETLANDS IS.IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BEING CLOSE TO IT OR NOT.
IT'S, IT'S SAYING IF, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS COVERED WITH WATER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME DURING THE YEAR, YOU NOW HAVE WETLANDS.
BUT IT, THERE'S ALSO A, THERE'S OTHER FACTORS IN, I MEAN IT'S LIKE WHAT KIND OF PLANTS GROW IN THERE? IF YOU GOT A PLANT, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD TELL SOMEBODY, HEY, GOTTA GO AROUND, LOOK FOR THIS PLANT, PULL IT UP.
BECAUSE IF THEY COME DOWN AND SEE IT, THEN IT BECOMES WETLANDS.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT THAT'S PART OF THE DEFINITION, YOU KNOW.
WELL, I MEAN THIS, THIS THING IS JUST KIND OF A GUIDELINE HERE AT THIS POINT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH THE LEGAL DEFINITION AS PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THE EPAI CAN TELL YOU THAT OR THE CORE.
SO WHATEVER WE PUT, IT'S NOT GONNA US CERP EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE NOT JUST MIMICKING THE EPA, THE CORE.
WELL WE, WE ALSO, WHICH IS NATIONAL.
NO, WE'RE STRETCHING IT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
THEY ALREADY HAVE THESE CODES AND REGULATIONS ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.
THEN WHY ARE WE NOT USING THE FEDERAL LEVEL CODE? THAT'S RIGHT.
TO THE T WHY, WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT FOR YORK COUNTY? I AGREE.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, SO FOR NON-TITLE AND TITLE, THE, THE WAY THE DEFINITION'S WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
SO IT SAYS WETLAND AND THEN IT SAYS NON-TITLE.
AND IT ACTUALLY HAS THAT SECTION FOUR FOUR LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW THAT ALSO IS TRANSLATED INTO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE OUR WETLANDS CODE AND THE YORK COUNTY CODE.
SO THIS PARTICULAR DEFINITION WAS PROVIDED BY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST AT A SUGGESTION.
UM, WHEN WE TOOK IT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY DID REC SUGGEST REMOVING IT.
SO THEY SUGGESTED WHAT REMOVING THIS PROPOSED DEFINITION.
SO WE HAVE ANOTHER SECTION OF CODE, ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT EXPANDS UPON WETLAND.
THIS IS, UH, AND THIS IS WHAT, UM, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST USES FOR GETTING, THIS IS LIKE FOR THE WETLANDS BOARD THAT'S CHAPTER 18.
AND THAT VERY TECHNICAL MORE SO.
BUT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE DO ALREADY HAVE, AGAIN, LIKE A DEFINITION FOR A NON-TITLE WETLAND.
AND IT, IT MIMICS THAT SECTION FOUR OR FOUR CORE LANGUAGE.
ALRIGHT, SO THEN DON'T TAKE, TAKE ALL THIS, I WOULD SAY REFER TO YEAH.
WHATEVER, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHY HAVEN'T TWO PLACES? WHY MAKE IT CLOUDY? RIGHT.
I MEAN I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION IF MR. CHAIRMAN? YEP.
MAYBE MR. HENKEL SHOULD COME AND EXPLAIN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN A MEETING WHERE WE'VE HAD A LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT I THINK IS PROBABLY MUCH SIMPLER THAN EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE IT.
BUT SINCE, SINCE, SINCE THAT SUGGESTION WAS, SINCE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WE MAY BE MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A, MIGHT NOT HAVE A MO HILL, BUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THIS, THIS THING IS FINALIZED AND SOMEBODY'S USING THIS TO DE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS A, IS A, IS A WETLAND BASED UPON THAT, I, I DON'T WANT IT ABUSED.
SO THAT'S JUST WHY I KIND OF WANNA DOT THE I AND CROSS THE T ON THIS SO WE GET IT RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE.
SO THAT YEARS FROM NOW EVERYBODY IS, WE HAVE GOOD CONSISTENT DEFINITION AND THERE'S NO ARBITRATION BETWEEN ONE PERSON.
WELL, I, I, I AS A COUNTY STAFF PERSON DECLARE THIS AS WETLAND.
WELL ME AS A HOMEOWNER, I DON'T DECLARE IT AS A WETLAND.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS DEFINITION THAT SAYS IF, IF THE WATER COVERS THE SOIL.
WE JUST GOTTA TIGHTEN UP THE, THE, UM, THE PRACTICALITY BEHIND IT.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COMES DOWN TO THE FEDERAL ORDINANCE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
I, I THINK THE, THE, THE FEDERAL ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE A DEFINITION FOR THINGS THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT FOR WHAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE TIGHTER DEFINITION.
SO AS PEOPLE NEED TO DO, PUT UP NEW BUSINESSES OR STAND UP NEW HOMES AND SO FORTH, PURCHASE PROPERTY, MAKE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? SO WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ALREADY GOT A GOOD DEFINITION ELSEWHERE.
SO INSTEAD OF REDEFINING IT HERE, POINT TO WHERE IT IS BETTER DEFINED AND HAVE, I'M SORRY, WHO DID YOU SAY TO COME SPEAK TO US? MR. HENKEL.
'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S WHO PROVIDED THIS.
HE'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON PAGE TWO AGAIN.
WE SEE, UM, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE
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1 0 8, FILING FEES, AMENDED DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WE'LL HAVE A FILING FEE OF $130.AND HERE IN ONE 15 SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WE ADDED, UM, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UH, SHALL RUN WITH THE LAND UNLESS OTHERWISE REQUIRED BY THE BOARD SENSE.
SO BY RE UNLESS REQUIRED BY THE BOARD.
DOES THAT MEAN WELL, SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UM, HAVE RUN WITH THE LAND, BUT IT WAS NEVER STATED SPECIFICALLY IN OUR CODE.
AND SO, UM, IN, IN RECENT YEARS, THE BOARD HAS TIED THE SUP TO HOME OCCUPATIONS AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UM, SHALL RUN WITH THE LAND UNLESS, FOR EXAMPLE, A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THE BOARD SAYS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE, UH, OWNER SELLS THE HOUSE, IF THE, THE OTHER OWNER WANTS TO ALSO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN TODAY WHERE YOU, SOMEBODY BRINGS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO US FOR CONSIDERATION? WE MAY SUGGEST THAT YOU LIKE TO HAVE A STIPULATION THAT IT RUNS WITH THE OWNERSHIP, THE OWNER, NOT WITH THE LAND.
I, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
I I WOULD RATHER IT BE THE OPPOSITE.
I'D RATHER IT RUN WITH THE OWNER AND THEN IF THE OWNERS MOVED, BUT THE LAW IS THE NEXT OWNER WOULD COME AND DIFFERENT APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AGAIN.
AND THEY'D HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
IT WOULD RUN WITH THE OWNER, NOT THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TR WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
OH, THIS, THIS IS, IT SAYS RUNS WITH THE LAND UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED.
TRADITIONALLY, HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMITS RUN WITH THE LAND.
AND WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT, AND WITH THE BOARD MAKING THE CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS SPECIFICALLY, WE WENT BACK TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE TO SAY, WHERE IN THE ORDINANCE DOES IT SAY THAT? AND IT DOESN'T.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT, WHY, WHY WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD THE CHANGE IS WE WANNA BE VERY SPECIFIC THAT SPECIAL USE PERMITS RUN WITH THE LAND UNLESS YOU, AS THE BOARD SAY OTHERWISE.
SO THIS SETS AN EXPECTATION FOR THE APPLICANT THAT WE, WE COULD STIPULATE THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO LIKE IF WE HAVE AN AUTO REPAIR GARAGE, SPECIAL USE PERMIT COMES IN, IT RUNS WITH THE LAND IN MOST CASES.
UNLESS YOU ALL SAY, WELL, NO, WE LIKE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH ORGANIZATION, AND IF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION BUYS YOUR GARAGE AND YOU COME IN AND WANNA DO IT, THEN THE BOARD MAY DO THAT.
SO THIS PREVENTS, THIS PREVENTS AN APPLICANT BEING BLINDSIDED BY US ASKING FOR THAT STIPULATION LATER ON.
WE SAY UP FRONT THAT MAY HAPPEN.
AND IT'S BEEN MORE OF A RECENT THING WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THAT IN THERE.
AND SO WE JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW RIGHT.
IN ARTICLE 2, 2, 0 3 COMPUTATION OF BUILDABLE OR DEVELOPABLE AREA, WE ONLY ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO MEASUREMENTS AND WE ADDED THE NAME VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE TABLE THOUGH? YOU'VE GOT A NUMBER OF CHANGES SHOWN ON THE TABLE IN BLUE, AND I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THE, THE MEASUREMENTS UNDERSTANDING OF THE TABLE SOLUTION.
SO EXAMPLE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN B WHERE IT SAYS AREAS REQUIRED FOR DEDICATION, WE ADDED THE WORDS OF AREA.
SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS IN THE ORDINANCE AREAS REQUIRED FOR DEDICATION TO ELIMINATE SUBSTANDARD RIGHTS OF WAY.
SO WE CLARIFIED THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEDICATION OF AREA AND THEN, AND C, WE, WE CHANGED WHAT'S THE DENSITY DENSITY MEAN? YEAH.
WHAT'S DENSITY? LOTS SIZE AND PLATTED MEAN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THOSE.
THOSE ARE STAYING EXACTLY AS THE WAY THEY ARE.
I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND STILL WHAT DOES IT MEAN.
SO, UH, DENSITY IS, IS BASED ON THE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IS THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY? RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT DENSITY, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU, SO YEAH, THE DENSITY IS THE, EXCUSE ME.
HOW, HOW MUCH OF IT, SO 50% OF THE PROPERTY DENSITY IS SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
THOSE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COUNT THOSE TOWARDS YOURS DEVELOPABLE BREAKAGE.
SO YEAH, YOU DON'T SEE ALL OF THEM.
YOU'RE ONLY SEEING THE AREAS THAT WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO.
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WORDING CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.SO THE BLUE WORDS ARE, ARE WORDS WE'RE ADDING.
AND RED'S WORDS ARE THE ONES WE'RE GETTING OUT.
SO IN I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS WHILE WE'RE HERE, HOW, WHAT IS COMPARED DENSITY TO LOT SIZE TO PLANT IT? SO DENSITY COLUMN CONTAINS PERCENTAGES OF THE SPECIFIED LAND TYPE, WHICH MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION FOR NET DENSITY.
SO, UM, AREAS, SO IF YOU LOOK AT B WHERE YOU HA YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU CAN ONLY COUNT THAT TOWARDS 50% OF YOUR CALCULATION.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL PART THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO.
SO LOT SIZE IS THE PERCENTAGE OF SPECIFIC LAND TYPE WHEN INCLUDED TO MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR TABLE, BUT IF YOU HAVE EASEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COUNT ALL OF THAT TOWARDS YOUR, YOUR LOT SIZE.
SO PLA INCLUDE, WOULD INCLUDE EASEMENTS THEN RIGHT.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOT SIZE AND PLAID.
SO PLAID LOT SIZE IS BUILDABLE PROPERTY, PLAID IS EVERYTHING INCLUDING EASEMENTS THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD UPON, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN, THEN COMPARE THOSE TWO TO WHAT IS DENSITY THEN? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT, BUT IT SAYS LOT SIZE IS ZERO MM-HMM.
SO IT'S THE NET DEVELOPABLE DENSITY.
SO LET'S THE NUMBER OF LOTS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF A LARGE PROPERTY.
SO YOU MAY GET, YOU MAY, YOUR AMOUNT MAY BE REDUCED DEPENDING ON HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, THESE PIECES THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF YOUR CALCULATION.
SO FOR B LOT SIZE AND PLAID IS NOT APPLICABLE.
IT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THE DENSITY PART OF IT.
AND WHY WAS THERE A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER ON C? UH, BECAUSE IT SAID IT USED TO SAY GREATER THAN 20 AND WE JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S 21 FEET OR GREATER.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.
REQUIREMENTS FOR EXISTING THROUGH LOTS.
UM, THIS IS A, THIS IS A THROUGH LOT AND IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF FIVE FEET FROM A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS IS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE.
THIS PREVENTS A PROPERTY OWNER FROM HAVING TO OBSERVE TWO FRONT YARD SETBACKS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THEN 2 25 SPECIAL YARD REGULATIONS OR CLARIFYING THE SECTION BY ADDING DIMENSIONS TO THE PROJECTIONS OF, UH, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, LEAVES, GUTTERS AND UNCOVERED LANDINGS INTO REQUIRED SETBACK YARDS.
WHY, WHY WERE THE TWO UNCOVERED STOOPS UNCOVERED LANDINGS REMOVED? UH, EXCUSE ME, THE RED, YOU STRUCK OUT UNCOVERED STOOPS AND UNCOVERED LANDINGS.
ARE WE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE HERE? 24 1 DASH 2 25.
WE, WE STRUCK THEM FROM THE UPPER SENTENCE, BUT WE ADDED THEM DOWN IN THAT NEXT SENTENCE.
THEY'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT SECTION BECAUSE DIFFERENT RULES APPLY TO THEM THAT APPLY TO THE OTHERS.
SO WE WANTED, AGAIN, IT'S A CLARIFICATION THING.
SO IT'S THE NEXT PARAGRAPH DOWN.
IT'S SOMETHING WE KIND OF ALLOW BY POLICY RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLARIFYING IT IN THE ORDER.
LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, 2 42 FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES ABOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED AND ADDITIONAL 20 LANDSCAPE UNITS SHALL BE PROVIDED.
AND HERE WE'RE JUST COPYING THIS LANGUAGE FROM THE PARKING SECTION AND ADDING IT TO THE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
UH, WE'RE ADDING SPECIAL STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR USES THAT EXCEED 80,000 SQUARE FEET BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION FROM, UH, MR. HORE.
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AFTER WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND? YES.UH, THIS, THIS PROPOSED REVISION UPDATES THE REFERENCE TO YOUR COUNTY'S SANITARY SEWER DETAIL DOCUMENTS AND CORRECTS THE DEPARTMENT NAME TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS IN 2 71.
ACCESSORY USES PERMITTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
THIS MODIFIES, UH, THE NUMBER OF DAYS A PORTABLE ON DEMAND STORAGE UNIT CAN BE TEMPORARILY PLACED ON A PROPERTY FROM 16 DAYS TO 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
WE, WE GOTTA BACK IT UP TO TWO AT, UH, 24.1 DASH 2 51.
FOR THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS.
IT, BUT IN THE CONSIDERATION THERE IS, LAST TIME I CHECKED, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, UM, BY A A FROM THE, THE PERSON'S DOING ANY DEVELOPMENT OFFSITE, YOU CAN'T FORCE 'EM TO DO OFFSITE NO.
SO WE CANNOT FORCE THEM, BUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT WOULD POINT OUT THESE ISSUES.
SO IF YOU HAD A REZONING BEFORE YOU THAT HAD POINTS OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, OH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GREAT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, IT, IT LOGS UP, YOU KNOW, CREATES A TRAFFIC JAM ON ONE OF YOUR INTERSECTIONS AND YOU COULD SAY, WELL WE DON'T WANT TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE YOUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SAYS YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM DOWN HERE AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO ARE WE NOT THEN TRYING TO FORCE A DEVELOPER TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS OFF SITE? THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WISH TO DO THAT OR NOT? AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THAT WOULD BE YOUR OPTION AS THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE A REZONING APPLICATION A PROBLEM.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM, HOW, HOW WE WOULD SEE A PROBLEM.
BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THIS LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT WOULD SAY THEY HAVE TO GO OUT A MILE, HAVE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND SO WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO OUT A MILE? SO THEY'RE GONNA DO A TRAFFIC STUDY OUT TO A MILE OUT.
AND WHO DOES A TRAFFIC STUDY? THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR IT.
NOW VDOT IS GONNA TAKE CONSIDER, TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION.
VDOT REVIEWS ALL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT COME TO THE COUNTY AND THEY GIVE THEIR INPUT ON, ON WHAT THEY, IF THEY FEEL THEY DID A GOOD JOB, YOU KNOW, WHAT IN WHAT IN THERE THEY AGREE WITH OR DISAGREE WITH.
SO, OKAY, SO WHAT IF IT'S, ALRIGHT, LET ME, LET'S DO A COUPLE WHAT IFS.
AND I'LL USE A LEGACY OF OCN, OKAY.
WHICH IS IN THE CITY OF OCN, WHICH IS BUTS RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR COUNTY.
SO THEY PUT 600 HOMES ON VICTORY BOULEVARD.
ALRIGHT? THAT'S THEIR ENTRANCE AND EXITS.
UM, IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS GONNA CAUSE A TRAFFIC JAM ON VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A MAJOR ROAD.
THE POINT IS, IS, OKAY, YOU GOT ANOTHER JURISDICTION INVOLVED.
OKAY, SO ARE THEY NOW GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR A TRAFFIC PATTERN IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION IN THE STUDY? IF, IF, AND THAT'S GONNA THEN RESTRICT OUR, OUR ABILITY TO, FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT ULTIMATE DECISION.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT ON, IS THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO WEIGH IF THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OR NOT.
SO IF LEGACY WAS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY DID THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF THAT IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE IMPACTING TRAFFIC IN POCOS AND THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SAID IT, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE THAT, WE WANT TO BE NICE TO OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
SO WHAT KIND OF CONSIDERATION WOULD THE BOARD SAY, WELL WE JUST THE FEEL IT'S NOT A GOOD DEVELOPMENT OR DO WE HAVE A A I MEAN, THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES COME IN WITH A, UH, LEVEL OF, OF SERVICE BASICALLY.
SO IF YOU GET A A A DE, YOU GOT THE WORST ONE, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S ALREADY E AND, AND THIS COMES IN AND JUST ADDS TO E SO YOU'RE GONNA SAY, WELL YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE ALREADY AT E WELL THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SAY.
AND THEN YOU AS THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO DECIDE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT CONTINUING OR, OR BEING ATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT.
THINK IT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE GONNA STOP COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA OVER SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THIS? NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.
THAT'S PART OF THE, THE REASONING OF PUTTING IT IN THERE.
SO IT POINTS OUT THESE PROBLEM POINTS FOR YOU TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BENEFIT TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN OR NOT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WONDER WHAT KIND OF MEASUREMENTS WE
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GOING ARE WE GOING TO USE AS SUPERVISORS TO MAKE THAT CALL.IT WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND THAT IT WOULD BE THE ANALYSIS.
YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS AND, AND YOU KNOW, FROM VDOT STAFF AND, AND YOUR COUNTY STAFF TELLING YOU, YOU KNOW, HEY, HERE ARE THE PAIN POINTS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE BECAUSE THEY'VE ANALYZED IT THIS FAR OUT.
AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE DO THIS NOW WITH TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AT, AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
I MEAN DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD.
WE ALSO HAVE, WE'VE ALSO REACHED A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT BELIEVING THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WE'RE ASKING FOR, WE'RE ASKING, WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THIS HAS TAKEN US.
UM, MR. SHEPHERD, THIS REALLY CAME OUTTA THE NORTH POINT, UH, DISCUSSION.
WELL, I KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND HOW, HOW THIS AFFECTS OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COUNTY.
I, I UNDERSTAND, BUT EVEN, EVEN VDOT SAID THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAD TO EXTEND AT LEAST TO THE FIRST MAJOR INTERSECTION, WHICH IS MOTOWN ROAD AT LIGHTFOOT.
IT'S ALREADY A CATEGORY ANSWER, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
IT'S VDOT GIVING A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
NO, NO, WE'RE NOT EYEBALL HAVE, WE'RE NOT EYEBALLING.
WE USE OUR EXPERTS, EXPERTS RECOMMENDATION.
THEY REVIEW ALL OF THESE AND THEY TELL US, YOU KNOW, YES, THIS IS CORRECT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, OR NO, IT'S NOT CORRECT, AND THEY MAKE 'EM CHANGE IT AND WE'VE, OR WE FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE GONNA BE.
SO YES, WE USE THE EXPERTS TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT.
SO WHEN WE COME TO YOU, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE, WHERE THOSE PAIN POINTS ARE SO YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE KIND OF PROJECTS.
SO WILL THIS APPLY ONLY TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR WILL THIS APPLY FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING? IT'S ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND ANALYSIS.
SO LET'S TAKE IT BACK UP TO DOUG'S DISTRICT WHERE YOU HAD THAT, UH, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, THEY COULDN'T COME IN THROUGH THE WATER COUNTRY OR NO, THE TIMESHARES, RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY HAD TO COME UP THROUGH THAT ONE LITTLE ROAD, UM, THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE IS THAT DOUG? AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS ANALYZED DURING THAT PROJECT PROPOSAL.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS COVERED UNDER THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
UM, ET RFO WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS BECAUSE IT'S A MILE.
BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE FOR USERS HAVING MORE, HAVING 80,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT NEW HIGHEST OF DEVELOPMENTS OR PARKS OR WATER PARKS, SO FORTH.
IT TALK ABOUT A BIG BUILDING OF 80,000 SQUARE FEET OF MORE IT'S WAREHOUSING OR DEPARTMENT STORES.
IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW, UH, CLASSIFICATION OF WHAT FALLS UNDER THIS.
AND THIS ISN'T ANY MORE THAN JUST A NEW DATA POINT, AN ADDITIONAL DATA POINT FOR US TO DIGEST WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER A GIVEN PROPOSAL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY OR NOT.
SO TODAY THE REQUIREMENT IS JUST OUT TO THE NEAREST INTERSECTION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, ALL RIGHT, FOR ANYTHING THAT FITS THIS CRITERIA, 80,000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLA FLOOR SPACE, TAKE IT AT A MILE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, OKAY, IF I PUT A BUNCH OF HOUSES IN THERE, IF I USE GROSS FLOOR SPACE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION POINT.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY COMMERCIAL AND IT SHOULD AND, AND, AND SOME AND DOES IT NEED TO SAY CONTIGUOUS? WELL DOES IT NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFICALLY SAY WAREHOUSING? I MEAN WELL IT COULD BE DEPARTMENT STORE, IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT'S 80,000 SQUARE FEET OR BIGGER.
BUT UNDER, UNDER UNDER ONE ROOF.
SO, WELL IF YOU THINK OF, OKAY, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF KIM CREEK.
THE, UH, KROGER GROCERY STORE.
THE ORIGINAL ONE BY ITSELF IS 80,000 ON ITS OWN.
THE BIGGER ONE'S, 160,000 SQUARE FEET JUST ON THAT ONE PART OF IT.
THEY'RE ALL ATTACHED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT STORES ALONG THAT WHOLE UM, UH, SHOPPING AREA.
SO THEN THE MARQUEE IN ITSELF, WOULD THEY HAVE BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THEMSELVES THAT ARE PROBABLY 80,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE? YES, SEVERAL ARE.
I MEAN WE COULD ADD THE WORD COMMERCIAL TO THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE PROBLEMATIC TO CLARIFY WITH THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF IT.
COMMERCIAL COM COMMERCIAL CONTIGUOUS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF LITTLE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS THAT ADD ADD UP UPDATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, BUT, OKAY.
IT COULD, BUT I THINK OF ALL THE SHOPPING CENTERS WE HAVE, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE BIG STORE
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THAT WOULD BE 80,000 SQUARE FEET ON ALMOST ALL OF THEM.UH, AND IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK.
IF YOU PUT THAT THING IN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AS PEOPLE ARE APPROACHING OR DEPARTING IT? RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT, IT DOESN'T DEFINE ANY OF OUR DECISIONS, IT'S JUST ANOTHER DATA POINT TO HELP US MAKE A DECISION.
AND WITH THAT I'M GONNA CALL TOM
UM, AND I AM GOING TO LOOK TO MR. HILL TO MAKE SURE I SAY THIS CORRECTLY.
THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION TO THE WORK SESSIONAL BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AS IT NEED TO BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU, YOU CAN, IF YOU DON'T PLAN TO VOTE ON IT TODAY.
BUT YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO THE WORK SESSION WHERE WE WILL NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEEN TAKEN OTHER THAN THE STAFF? NO, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THAT.
CONTINUE IT TO THE NO THAT YOU HOLD OR, OR CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AT WHICH WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS NO, WE WANNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION OF THE WORK SESSION.
SO YEAH, BUT I WOULD, YOU CAN DO THAT.
I WOULDN'T OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE, ONCE WE GET IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, IF ANYBODY'S ALREADY PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS, THEY MAY WANNA BE ENGAGED LATER.
BUT IF WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND, AND WE, AND WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO WORK SESSION, WE'RE DONE.
SO WE'VE ALREADY ADVERTISED THIS FOR TODAY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN EITHER RE ADVERTISE IT FOR A DIFFERENT DAY AND HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING DIFFERENTLY OR IF YOU WISH TO HOLD, CONTINUE THIS HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE INDI IT WAS ADVERTISED FOR TODAY.
SO PRESUMABLY INDIVIDUALS THAT WISH TO SPEAK ARE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, UH, AND BE HEARD AND THEN YOU CAN CONTINUE IT TO A DIFFERENT DAY TO VOTE ON IT IF YOU WISH.
I WANNA CONTINUE THIS, THIS REVIEW AND THIS DISCUSSION AT THE WORK SESSION.
WE CAN'T VOTE THERE BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T GIVE ANYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST SKIP A WHOLE MEETING.
SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T ADD AN AGENDA ITEM ONTO THE WORK SESSION TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE ON IT IN WHAT YOU DO TODAY.
CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT AND THAT'S TO A DATE CERTAIN AT WHICH WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO HEARING, RIGHT? YES.
SEE MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. HILL, JUST CONFIRM WE'RE GONNA SEND THIS TO THE WORK SESSION SEPTEMBER 3RD AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER THE 17TH.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO I CALLED THE MOTION APPROPRIATELY, CORRECT.
'CAUSE I WANNA HAVE PEOPLE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO WHAT WE'VE JUST WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE.
WE CAN'T DO THAT AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE DISCUSSION JUST TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT IF THERE IS ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT THAT YOU HOLD, AFFORD THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.
MIKE THOUGHT IT WAS ON AUTOMATICALLY.
UM, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE DO, WE DID MOVE THE BUFFER, THE CONTINUED BUFFER DISCUSSION TO THAT WORK SESSION.
ALSO STUFF TALKING ABOUT, OKAY.
I MEAN THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S JUST DISCUSSION UNDERSTOOD PIECES, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDER ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE WE GO TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT MOTION, IS ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT THAT'D LIKE TO, TO COME TO THE POTENT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, THIS RESOLUTION? OKAY.
WE'LL CLOSE THAT AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO YOU DON'T CLOSE IT.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? SO DON'T CLOSE IT.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. R DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION? WHO MADE THE MOTION? I MADE THE MOTION.
TO CONTINUE THIS, CONTINUE ON THE WORK SESSION, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO TABLE, PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 17 TO DISCUSS FURTHER AT THE SEPTEMBER 3RD WORK SESSION.
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MR. RONE? YES.MR. CHAIRMAN, WASN'T THERE A SECOND MOTION AS WELL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING? CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'VE GONNA DO TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, OKAY? YEAH.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER THE 17TH.
THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, AGENDA ITEM I SEE.
NO NEW BUSINESS, NO CLOSE MEETING FOR THIS EVENING.
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NEXT WE'RE GONNA MEET THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WILL BE AT 6:00 PM ON SEPTEMBER 3RD IN THE EAST ROOM.ARE YOUR CALL MEETING AND ADJOURNED?