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ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.[Call to Order]
EVENING, FOLKS.I'M GONNA CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORM? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
SO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE AUGUST 6TH, UH, 2024 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MONTHLY WORK SESSION.
UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SILENCE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES, AND WE WILL
[3* Berkley Group Staffing Study Presentation. ]
GET STARTED OFF WITH A FEW PRESENTATIONS.WE'RE GONNA START OFF TONIGHT WITH A, UM, PRESENTATION FROM THE BERKELEY STAFFING GROUP, WHICH I BELIEVE MS. ROSE MCKINNEY ARE GONNA HOST FOR.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN ROW AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, YOU MIGHT RECALL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, MARK COMMITTED TO BRING THE BERKELEY GROUP BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WE HAVE DONE THAT THIS EVENING.
UM, I WILL BE INTRODUCING TO YOU, MR. JACK TUTTLE AND MR. ERIC CAMPBELL FROM THE BERKELEY GROUP.
THEY ARE HERE TO HELP THE BOARD UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY AND THE PROCESS BY WHICH IT TAKES TO COMPLETE A STAFFING STUDY.
UM, YOU'LL OFTEN HEAR THOSE ALSO REFERRED TO AS ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENTS.
UM, THIS IS NOT NEW TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
THEY'VE DONE THESE FOR DECADES IN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL FIND THE VALUE AND THE EXPERTISE THAT IS COMPRISED IN THIS BERKELEY GROUP TEAM.
AND JACK AND ERIC WILL INTRODUCE THEIR WHOLE PROJECT TEAM TO YOU, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
SO JACK AND ERIC, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE THIS? YEAH, AND WILL I BE DRIVING? YOU'LL BE DRIVING
WELL, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.
UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME INTRODUCE THE BERKELEY GROUP IN GENERAL.
UM, THE BERKELEY GROUP IS A VIRGINIA BASED LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSULTING FIRM.
UM, IT ONLY, ITS CLIENTS ARE BASICALLY PUBLIC SERVICE ONLY AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS.
95% OF THE STAFF ARE FORMER OR RETIRED PUBLIC SERVANTS AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
UH, WE HAVE A, A REPUTABLE AND DIVERSE TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENTS FOR YOU.
DREW AND DARREN HAVE IN-DEPTH LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE IN PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS ALONG WITH PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN OTHER AREAS SUCH AS ADMINISTRATION, PARKS AND REC, HUMAN RESOURCES, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AMONG OTHER AREAS.
JACK AND I, I WOULD SAY ARE SEASONED, UH, VETERANS.
UH, WE'RE SEASONED
UM, I AS A SENIOR PRACTITIONER, MOST RECENTLY WITH THE EL WILDER SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT AT VCU.
BUT BEFORE THAT I WAS CITY MANAGER OF HARRISONBURG, VIRGINIA, AND SERVED AS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.
AND, UH, I'VE SERVED MY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAREER, MOSTLY HERE IN VIRGINIA, MOSTLY IN OUR REGION.
AND, UH, BEFORE THAT I WAS CITY MANAGER IN FLORIDA.
SO I'VE BEEN RETIRED NOW, UH, A FEW YEARS AND HAPPY TO BE WORKING WITH THE BERKELEY GROUP.
AND, UM, CONTINUING WITH OUR, OUR TEAM, GLORIA AND BETTY HAVE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, FINANCE AND OVERALL, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS.
BOB HARDY IS AN IT INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SPECIALIST WITH OVERALL KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.
DOUG FETT IS A PUBLIC WORK SPECIALIST AND FORMER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WITH EXCELLENT KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.
AND CINDY TAYLOR IS A HUMAN RESOURCE SPECIALIST WITH OVERALL KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.
AND THIS IS THE TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT? YES.
SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT IS AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF THE ORGANIZATION NOT INFLUENCED BY, UM, OTHER FACTORS.
UM, WE ARE THE COUNTY'S NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY LENS.
UM, AND YOU ALL ARE OUR CLIENTS AS A COUNTY INFORMATION BASE AND IMPLEMENTATION FOCUS.
WITH BEST PRACTICE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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AS WE LOOK THROUGH THE INFORMATION AS A PUBLIC AGENCY, THE COUNTY SHOULD BE RUN, UM, AS IF IT WERE FUNDED BY YOUR PERSONAL CHECKBOOKS BECAUSE OF TAXES.AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN GENERAL.
UM, BUSINESS FOCUS ON THEIR BOTTOM LINE TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS, BUT GOVERNMENTS FOCUS ON BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND DOLLARS AND BEING AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE AS IT CAN BE.
THIS ASSESSMENT WILL HELP TO ENSURE THAT THE, THE GOAL BY DOCUMENTING WHERE THINGS ARE AT, MAPPING OUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AREAS TO IMPROVE.
UM, AT THIS POINT, JACK, UH, WILL DISCUSS OUR APPROACH AND ASSESSMENT PROCESS.
UH, A COUPLE OF KEY BULLETS AS WE CONSIDER THE, THE APPROACH TO THIS ASSIGNMENT.
UH, OUR COLLABORATION WITH YOUR STAFF IS KEY TO THE BERKELEY TEAM GAINING A SOLID UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR COUNTY'S OPERATIONS.
BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BERKELEY STAFF'S DIRECT LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE, WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE FACT FROM FICTION TO KNOW THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO ASK.
IT'S A TEAM BASED APPROACH, AND IT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY WE FEEL, UH, IS BY INTERACTING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND ALSO INTERACTING WITH OUR INTERNAL TEAM.
AND THE BERKELEY TEAM ITSELF IS DIVIDED INTO TWO PERSON TEAMS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS WITH COUNTY STAFF.
UH, SPECIAL THANK YOU TO ROSE MCKINNEY FOR SETTING UP OVER OVER 50 INTERVIEWS AND GETTING ALL THAT ARRANGED.
THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, UH, OVER A TWO WEEK PERIOD.
AND NOW WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT ALONG WITH, UH, THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION WE ARE LOOKING AT IN, INTO, UH, TO FORM OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
CLIENT COMMUNICATION IS CRITICAL THROUGH THIS.
UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY ON SCHEDULE AND ON TARGET.
PART OF THAT IS COMING TO MEET WITH YOU TONIGHT.
WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN IN OCTOBER TO GIVE YOU A PROGRESS REPORT.
AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE STUDY, UH, WE, UH, WILL HIGHLIGHT BEST PRACTICES AND, UH, WE'LL, YOU'LL FIND THOSE IN THE FINAL REPORT.
WE'LL BE BASING THAT ON OUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AND AS WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL MOST POSITIVELY IMPACT COUNTY OPERATIONS.
WE'LL ALSO HIGHLIGHT WHERE WE BELIEVE THE COUNTY IS ALREADY USING BEST PRACTICES.
IT'S APPARENT TO US, AND BY OUR, IN THE INTERVIEWS WE'VE HAD, THAT YOUR COUNTY DOES VERY MUCH RIGHT AND WELL.
AND OVERALL, THIS IS A SOPHISTICATED ORGANIZATION WITH A DEDICATED STAFF.
SO THAT SOLID FOUNDATION IS NOT BEING OVERLOOKED.
BUT WE ALSO TELL YOU IT'S NOT BEING OVERVALUED EITHER.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING A, AN OUTSIDE LENS TO IT.
ALL THE ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT, UH, WILL BE IMPLEMENT, WILL BE IMPLEMENTATION FOCUSED.
UH, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A REPORT THAT GIVES YOU RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, UH, WHAT THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF FINANCIAL IMPACT AND THE TIMEFRAME.
THERE'S NO, UH, KIND A COOKIE CUTTER TO THIS REPORT.
NO SHORTCUTS WITH THE EXERCISE.
UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, KNOWLEDGE AND STANDARDS AS APPLIED WHEREVER WE SEE THEY'RE APPROPRIATE.
BUT ALL OBSERVATIONS, ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE UNIQUE TO WHAT WE SEE HERE AND WHAT WE AND WHAT APPLIES TO YORK SPECIFICALLY.
AND SO, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT COMBINATION OF THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, WHICH IS FOUND NOWHERE, BUT IN YORK COUNTY AND THE SUBJECT MATTER OUTSIDE EXPERTISE WE BRING, UH, WILL LEAD TO A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME.
WE SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, UH, THE PROCESS.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY, AS I SAID, CONDUCTED THOSE STAFF INTERVIEWS AND WE ARE NOW REVIEWING ALL OF THE BACKGROUND DATA FOR EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THAT INCLUDES YOUR DEPARTMENTAL ORGANIZATION, CHARTS, ACCOUNTABILITY RELATIONSHIPS, WORK DUTIES, WORKFLOWS, WORK POLICIES, AND OTHER INFORMATION PROVIDED BY COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND BY THE DEPARTMENTS.
WE'RE AWARE OF YOUR COUNTY'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.
WE'VE LOOKING AT YOUR ANNUAL BUDGETS, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND OTHER, UH, DOCUMENTS, WHICH WILL HELP US IN UNDERSTANDING YOUR OPERATIONS AND GIVE US AN OVERALL ABILITY TO DO A GOOD JOB OF EVALUATING ORGANIZATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS.
IN TERMS OF INTERVIEWS, WE, UH, HAVE, AS I SAID, THOSE INTERVIEWS HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
DEPARTMENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE FINANCE, TREASURER, COMMISSIONER, REVENUE IN THE FINANCE AREA, PARTS OF RECREATION PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUBLIC WORKS, LIBRARIES, HUMAN RESOURCES, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, AND ECONOMIC, ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.
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ARE NOW.AND ERIC, WE'LL GO OVER OUR SCHEDULE.
CAN YOU SAY WHICH AREAS YOU LEFT OUT? UH, YES.
WE ARE NOT, UH, DOING PUBLIC SAFETY IN FA IN THIS SPACE, AND WHETHER THAT EVER HAPPENS OR NOT WILL BE UP TO YOU.
AND AS JACK MENTIONED, WE'RE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE STAFF INTERVIEWS.
UM, WE COMPLETED THOSE IN LATE JULY.
THIS GIVES US SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION AS WE LOOK AT THE CURRENT OPERATIONS AND THE PREVAIL INDEPENDENCE OF THE STAFF.
IT'S REALLY TOO EARLY TO TELL.
AS WE SAID, UM, WE USE TWO MEMBER TEAMS. WE'RE COMPILING THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW.
OUR NEXT UPDATE, UH, FOR THE BOARD WILL BE IN OCTOBER, WHERE WE WILL HAVE SOME HIGH LEVEL OBSERVATIONS OF ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE GATHERED AND, AND, UM, EVALUATED AND ANALYZED, LARGELY DERIVED FROM OUR INTERVIEWS, AS WELL AS IDENTIFIED BEST PRACTICES AND OTHER WELL-ESTABLISHED, UM, METRICS, UH, WITHIN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROFESSION.
UH, THE FINAL REPORT WILL BE READY FOR THE BOARD IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, DEPENDING ON THE BOARD SCHEDULE AND PREFERENCE.
UM, BUT THAT'S OUR OVERALL GOAL TARGET TO BRING YOU, UM, OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE, UH, KNOW THE OVERARCHING IMPETUS OF THIS PROJECT IS ARE WE OVERSTAFFED, ARE WE UNDERSTAFFED? UM, AND THE QUESTION WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WE ANALYZE THE INFORMATION THAT WE COMPILE ALONG THE WAY.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WELL AND RIGHT, UH, WHAT CAN YOU DO BETTER AND HOW YOU CAN GO ABOUT DOING IT.
THESE QUESTIONS ARE MORE, WILL BE ANSWERED AS WE GO THROUGH OUR DATA AND PRESENT THE FINAL REPORT TO YOU.
YOUR COUNTY WILL BE A STRONGER AND BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT ORGANIZATION AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF US.
LET'S GO AROUND THE ROOM, MR. TO ANY THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS? YEAH.
FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, WHICH, WHICH OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WERE PART OF THOSE 50 INTERVIEWS? WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD BE.
THAT WAS THE WHOLE DEBATE ABOUT SHOULD THIS BE LED BY THE COUNTY OR SHOULD THE BOARD HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY? THE BOARD SHOULD NOT HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY.
THAT'S RIGHT, EXACTLY MY OPINION.
MY QUESTION, SIR, WE DID NOT, UM, UM, INTERVIEW BECAUSE IN MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE SCOPE THAT WAS PRESENTED.
IS THAT NORMALLY DONE? IS THAT DONE IN OTHER COUNTIES OR OTHER SITUATIONS? UH, I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.
UNLESS WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR, UH, VISION, YOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, THOSE THINGS WHICH THE BOARD, UM, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
BUT LET ME ALSO SAY, UH, THIS BOARD, UH, CAN COME BACK TO OUR PRINCIPLES.
IF YOU FEEL WE'VE, WE ARE NOT HITTING THAT CYLINDER AND WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU.
WELL, AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING A REPORT TO THE BOARD.
SO ANY QUESTIONS OR THINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN ASK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADDRESS DIRECTLY ONCE IT'S PRESENTED DIRECTLY TO YOU.
THE REPORT IS BEING PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, NOT TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
SO AT THAT POINT, ANY FEEDBACK, UM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS AT THAT POINT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION STEMMED FROM, AS THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTY, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT POSE TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THROUGH THE REPORT THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE HAPPENED.
SO THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
WELL, WE MEANT IT WHEN WE SAID ABOUT COMMUNICATION, SO HEAR ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, MR. SHEPHERD? NO, I JUST LOOK FORWARD TO THE REPORT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SHOW UP, THEY DO THE JOB AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THE REPORT, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
ANY QUICK QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I, I, I GOT A, I GOT A COUPLE.
UM, IS, ARE YOU LOOKING STRICTLY AT STAFFING LEVELS OR DOES WILL RAPPORT PRODUCE OTHER INFORMATION THAT WILL HELP US RIGHT SIZE THE COUNTY STAFF? DEFINITELY LOOKING AT MUCH MORE THAN SIMPLY STAFFING LEVELS.
WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, UH, THE WHOLE RANGE OF HOW YOUR ORGANIZATION FUNCTIONS.
ITS EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS.
SO, WE'LL IT, IT'LL, IT'S MORE OF AN EFFICIENCY REPORT, NOT JUST A STAFFING REPORT.
UM, I WOULD SAY YES, I WOULD ADD THE WORD EFFECTIVENESS IN THERE AS WELL.
IT'S HOLISTIC, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN OVERALL ASSESSMENT, NOT JUST ONE STAFFING.
ONE QUESTION YOU ALREADY ANSWERED AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AND IT WAS THE DEPARTMENTAL SCOPE.
SO I, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALSO INCLUDING A COUPLE OF OUR, UM, UM, CONSERVATION, UM, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS OFFICES AS WELL, SO THAT, THAT'S GOOD.
UM, BUT YOU JUST MENTIONED YOU'RE EXCLUDING FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IS THAT TYPICAL AND WHY WOULD THOSE, IT'S REALLY UP TO WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS.
AND AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT CAME BACK
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TO YOU IN THE SPRING AND THE DETERMINATION WAS MADE AS, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.UH, 'CAUSE WE WERE BROUGHT IN AND ADDED TO THE TEAM AS THAT SCOPE WAS BEING DONE BY OUR PRINCIPALS THAT, UH, IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR, THAT WOULD BE AT A SUBSEQUENT PHASE, BUT WOULD NOT BE PART OF FA THE PHASE ONE.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, SO COME DECEMBER OR JANUARY WE GET THE FINAL REPORT.
WE HAVE GOOD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM IT, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WILL THE BERKELEY GROUP, HOW WILL THIS TEAM MEASURE, MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS ON THIS ENGAGEMENT? HOW WILL YOU WALK AWAY AND GOING, WE DID A GOOD JOB, OR EH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I, I THINK WE MEASURE IT BY PRESENTING A PRODUCT THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO OUR CLIENT.
SO IF WE LEAVE YOU WITH SOMETHING YOU CAN USE AND MOVE THE ORGANIZATION FORWARD WITH, I THINK THAT SHOWS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN, IN, IN OUR, IN OUR ROLE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE YOU WITH AN INSTRUMENT THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU AS THE BOARD MOVE FORWARD.
AND LAST QUESTION, UM, IN, IN THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR EVALUATION, DOES OR HAS OTHER ENGAGEMENTS IN THE PAST INCLUDED ANY COMMUNITY INPUT FOR AN ORGANIZATIONAL ASSESSMENT? UH, THE ANSWER IS IF YOU HAVE DATA, WHICH WE CAN LOOK AT COMMUNITY SURVEYS AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT, BUT WE WILL NOT BE DOING SEPARATE SURVEYS AS PART OF THIS ON, ON PUBLIC'S, UM, VIEW OF, UM, THE, THE AGENCY.
SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK.
CERTAINLY ANY DATA THAT IS THERE, WE'LL LOOK AT.
AND WE DO HAVE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR, PART OF YOUR SCOPE, SO.
UM, MR. MCKINNEY, BACK TO YOU.
UM, JUST TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, JUST TO REMIND YOU, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE MEMO THAT MARK SENT OUT TO THE BOARD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT THE STAFFING STUDY.
SO YOU'LL SEE THE TWO PRONG APPROACH TO THIS STUDY WAS ONE STAFFING LEVELS, TWO ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE.
SO THEY'RE HITTING THE MARK ON THE TWO THINGS THAT WE ASKED FOR TO SEE WHERE WE ARE EFFICIENT, HOW WE'RE DOING.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ALSO ADD ON IS ABOUT THE PHASES.
UM, AS WE LOOKED AT RESOURCES AND AS WE LOOKED AT THE TIMING THAT THE BOARD WANTED, WE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.
WE HAD JUST ADDED SOME NEW PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF DISSECT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION INTO A PHASE APPROACH.
SO WE DID PHASE ONE EXCLUDING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE MORE REGULATED SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF SEE WHERE WE STAND WITH THE MAJORITY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.
AND THEN PHASE TWO AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION WOULD BE TO GO INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THAT MEMO.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S EVEN A PHASE THREE IF YOU WISH TO DO SO.
SO THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO SUBSEQUENT PHASES AS YOU ALL DESIRE.
I HONESTLY, I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED IF WE TRY TO LUMP FIRE LIFE SAFETY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT INTO EVERYTHING ELSE.
'CAUSE THERE'S TWO APPLES TO ORANGES COMPARISON.
SO THERE WAS A METHOD TO OUR MADNESS.
UM, SO IN YOUR STUDY, UM, QUITE OFTEN IN PARTICULAR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF ASKING THE QUESTION.
UM, THEY HAVE A STAND NATIONAL STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, UNION STANDARDS, WHATEVER.
UM, AND THERE'S TWO ASPECTS TO PERSONNEL THAT MY EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WAS NO COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH HERE.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE A KIND OF A RANGE OF, OF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS JOB AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT IT REALLY DOES THAT TO GET THE JOB DONE.
SO HOW DO YOU APPROACH THOSE TWO ASPECTS? ONE'S, ONE'S THE RANGE, THE OTHER IS JUST, WE JUST KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.
WELL FIRST OF ALL, THERE, THERE ARE NOT BENCHMARKS THAT ARE GONNA TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN YOUR PARTS OF RECREATION DEPARTMENT, FOR INSTANCE, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF YOUR COUNTY.
IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTY IN VIRGINIA, MUCH LESS OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
YOU HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION BY WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE YOU WANT OUTTA YOUR PARKS AND REC AND HOW YOU ARE STAFFED FOR IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
SO AT TIMES THERE ARE SOME USEFUL, UH, UH, BENCHMARKS WE CAN LOOK AT WHERE WE KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, HOW MUCH ALL THE COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA SPEND ON PARKS AND RECREATION PER CAPITA.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT NUMBER.
IT'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING, BUT FRANKLY IT ISN'T GONNA TELL YOU MUCH.
YOU JUST HAVE TO GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
AND, AND I, I WOULD SAY THERE ARE PROBABLY NOT, AS THERE ARE IN PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, THERE ARE NATIONAL STANDARDS OF STAFFING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT SOME PEOPLE HOLD BY AND OTHER PEOPLE QUESTION VERY DEEPLY.
UH, BUT THERE ARE NOT THE SAME LEVELS OF STAND NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR STAFFING AND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.
YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA FIND IT, UM, THE WAY IT IS IN FIRING
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POLICE.SO WHEN YOU SAY COUNTY'S UNIQUE MM-HMM.
IS THAT JUST A UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S, WE GOT 95 COUNTIES AND EVERY ONE OF 'EM ARE UNIQUE? OR IS IT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND YOU, IT'S NOT UNIQUE, BAD OR UNIQUE.
I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW THAT BETTER THAN WE DO.
AND TO QUICKLY FOLLOW UP, I THINK IT ON WHAT JACK IS SAYING, IT'S REALLY WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY USE BENCHMARKS AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF DEPARTMENTS, IT IS UNIQUE TO THE COMMUNITY WE'RE EVALUATING.
SO JUST BECAUSE ONE PARTICULAR, LET'S SAY LAW ENFORCEMENT SAYS THERE'S A PARTICULAR BENCHMARK, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S THE EXACT NUMBER THAT YORK SHOULD BE USING, BUT IT GIVES US A, A FRAMEWORK TO USE TO MAKE SURE IT'S EFFECTIVE FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
BUT, BUT CERTAINLY WHERE THERE ARE CASES OF SUCCESS, WE SHOULD MEASURE HOW, HOW WELL WE STAND UP TO WHERE THOSE SUCCESSES EXIST.
SO WE KNOW BETTER OR WORSE OR RIGHT THERE WITH US.
AND YOU DO DRILL DOWN INTO THE LEVEL OF COMPETENCY OF THE ORGANIZATION AS PART OF YOUR ASSESSMENT OF WHAT, WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
UH, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
NOT IN THE SENSE OF, UM, WE CANNOT INDIVIDUALLY EVALUATE EVERY EMPLOYEE, BUT WE CAN GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE, UH, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE WORK GROUP, UM, AND, UH, HOW THEY MEASURE.
AGAIN, THIS IS MAINLY AGAINST THE PEOPLE WE'VE KNOWN IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH OUR CAREERS, UH, HOW THEY, HOW THEY STACK UP.
WELL THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AND GIVING US AN OVERVIEW.
WE'RE SEEN IN OCTOBER AND UH, WE'LL GET BOARD.
DON'T, DON'T, DON'T KICK HIM ANYMORE.
[1* Landscaping. Greenbelt. and Buffer Requirements in the Zoning Ordinance. Receive a presentation from Caitlin Aubut and Elgui Roman concerning Greenbelt Buffers in York County. ]
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A GREEN BELT BUFFER PRESENTATION.YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS PACKAGE LESS THAN AN HOUR AGO.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ASKING SINCE THURSDAY DID WE HAVE A PACKAGE THAT WE COULD REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME.
IT JUST, WE LOOK INCOMPETENT WHEN WE COME IN HERE AND GET THIS KIND OF A PACKAGE AT SUCH LATE NOTICE.
WE NEED TO DO BETTER ON THAT POINT TAKEN.
UM, GOING FORWARD, WE WANNA PUT A MARK BY THURSDAY.
THE PREVIOUS, JUST SO WE ALWAYS HAVE GENERALLY HAVE A TARGET, A PACKAGE.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO? WELL, IT'S, IT'S A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT IS FOR REFERENCE, YOU SAID IT'S 12 PAGES, RIGHT? THE SECTION, THE ORDINANCE IS 12 PAGES.
WELL I SAW THE ONE WITH THE 12 PAGES WITH A YELLOW MARK AND I READ THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE HERE THAT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THE READING.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
WELL, ALRIGHT, LET ME ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
IT SET, UH, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT AND, AND OVER THE YEARS LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, THE 12 PAGES LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN OUR, OUR ORDINANCE.
IT IS THE ORDINANCE, IT IS THE OR I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NOTHING'S CHANGED WHILE WE'RE TALKING THROUGH THIS.
THE CODES, THE, THE, UH, CATEGORIES OF, THEY CALL 'EM, YOU KNOW, THE TREES EXPANSION STUFF.
I LOOK AT THIS AS ALERTING SESSION.
WE'VE GOT THE, WE'VE GOT THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US, BUT IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION SO THAT WE CAN THEN ABSORB IT AND TAKE IT HOME AND USE IT LEARNING AND HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEXT MINUTES.
NOW THIS WILL THIS COME BACK LATER? I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME IT'S GONNA COME BACK LATER.
AND AT THAT POINT THEN, WE'LL YOU'VE TAKEN IN ANY INPUT YOU'VE GOTTEN NOW AND OVER THE WEEKS.
REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND START.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRETY OF ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION FOUR IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND REALLY PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION AND IS REALLY A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL IS I'M GONNA BASICALLY WALK THROUGH EACH SUBSECTION IN THAT LARGER PIECE OF CODE, DISCUSS, OKAY, WHAT DOES THIS SUBSECTION MEAN? UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE THESE, YEAH.
WHAT ARE THESE PIECES OF THE ORDINANCE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT ARE, DO ALL OF 24 THIS, RIGHT? BUT NO
ARE YOU, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU TRYING TO DO TONIGHT? SO, OKAY, SO BASICALLY TONIGHT THIS IS, THIS IS LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
SO I'M REVIEWING LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND GREEN BELT REGULATIONS
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IN THE ORDINANCE.AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, WHAT THEY MEAN.
AND THEN STAFF, WE HAD A FEW IDEAS FOR MAYBE AREAS THAT COULD BE TWEAKED.
BUT REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO ALSO SURVEY WHAT YOU FELT, HEY, THIS ISN'T REALLY FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY OR WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS WORKING VERY WELL.
WHAT DO WE THINK NEEDS CHANGES? YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET ALL THE INPUT THAT YOU WANT.
AND I WASN'T EXPECTING TO KNOW.
I EXPECT IT TO COME IN OVER THE TIME.
SO HOW FAR OUT, UH, SO MR. RONAN AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
WE'RE GONNA GO AS FAR AS YOU CAN STAND IT,
AND WE WE'RE PREPARED TO JUST LIKE THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS UNITS WE'RE PREPARED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN OVER MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT SURE.
THAT MIGHT BE TWO MEETINGS, IT MIGHT BE THREE MEETINGS, IT MIGHT BE FOUR MEETINGS.
BUT YOU ALL WILL COMMUNICATE THAT TO US.
AND SHE'S JUST GONNA WORK YOU THROUGH AS MUCH AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH TONIGHT.
AND IF WE NEED TO STOP, WE STOP, WE'LL STOP.
BUT TONIGHT THE PLAN IS THROUGH DO THE OVERVIEW, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, RIGHT? YEP.
'CAUSE THIS HAS A, THIS IS ADOPTED IN 95.
I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN ANY EARNEST SINCE THEN.
BITS AND PIECES HAVE COME UP IN TEXT AMENDMENTS, BUT REALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT IT.
SO TONIGHT'S OBJECTIVE IS THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT SUBSEQUENT MEETING, MAYBE WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE SECTIONS AND WE'LL DO A DEEP DIVE IN THAT AND SO FORTH.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE'RE NOT REALLY PRESSED FOR TIME TO DO.
SO WE GOT TIME TO GET AS RIGHT AS WE WANTED TO GET IT.
WELL, SO AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUS, AGAIN, THIS IS ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION FOUR.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE COUNTY'S LANDSCAPE REGULATIONS.
SO THIS IS ADOPTED WITH CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN 1995.
AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN REVISIONS TO PARTS OF THIS SECTION OVER THE YEARS, I'D SAY NOTABLY TO GREEN BELTS, WHICH I'M GONNA DISCUSS IN A LATER SLIDE.
BUT BY AND LARGE IT HASN'T CHANGED VERY MUCH.
I, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS REFERRED TO AS ARTICLE TWO DIVISION FOUR.
I MEAN IT WAS ALWAYS 24 POINT SOME BLAH BLAH BLAH THAT.
SO THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, YEAH.
SO THE REASON I SAY THAT IS ACTUALLY THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE SECTION.
SO WHEN YOU GET TO LIKE THE SUBSECTION, YOU WOULD SAY 24 1 DASH TWO 40 AND THEN YOU'D SAY 24 1 2 40, YOU KNOW, ONE AND SO ON, SO FORTH.
BUT I CAN'T SAY, I CAN'T CALL IT TWENTY FOUR ONE TWO FORTY.
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST A PIECE OF THE LARGER DIVISION OF THE ARTICLE.
SO TO START OFF, I JUST WANTED TO QUOTE, THIS IS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT CODE SECTION.
AND IT'S THE INTENT OF THE STANDARDS.
AND I REALLY LIKE IT 'CAUSE I THINK IT REALLY CAPTURES VERY NICELY, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WHOLE SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS REALLY TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR NEW PLANTING DESIGN AND PRESERVING MATURE TREES.
SO WE CONTROL SOIL EROSION, PROTECTING WATER SCREENING, NOISE AND DUST, PRESERVING OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, AND THEN ALSO ENHANCING OUR BILL ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT OF IT.
I'VE GOTTA ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO YOU TALK ABOUT HERE IS TO ESTABLISH, WE ALREADY HAVE THESE, WE NOT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ESTABLISHING THE, WELL, IT COMES FROM WHEN THE SECTION WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED IN THE NINETIES, 90, 85.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE? MM-HMM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MINIMUM STANDARDS AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER KIND OF STANDARD? WELL, WE SAY, I THINK THE POINT FOR MINIMUM STANDARDS IS PREVIOUS TO THIS, THERE WERE PARTICULAR STANDARDS FOR THINGS.
THE REASON THIS, THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS IN HERE WHERE WE SET A REALLY, IT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO TO MEET THE STANDARDS.
SO IN THAT REGARDS, IT IS A MINIMAL MM-HMM.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE STANDARD? I MEAN, I'M NOT JUST TRYING TO WORDSMITH HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT YES YOU ARE.
OH, I MEAN, IF IT BOTHERS YOU, WE COULD CHANGE IT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEANING.
IT
YOU'RE GONNA, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS, THE REASON, REASON I BRING THIS UP, THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP, BECAUSE THIS IS MESSING WITH PEOPLE.
OKAY? SO WE GOTTA BE REAL CLEAR WITH OUR LANGUAGE.
THAT'S WHY I'M STICKLER FOR THIS.
BE REAL CLEAR WITH OUR LANGUAGE HERE.
SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I, I'M DOING THIS.
BUT MR. SHEPHERD KNOW THAT CAITLYN DIDN'T WRITE THAT THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 1995.
SOMEONE ELSE DID THAT WHAT'S WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT? SO I DIDN'T WANT, YOU THINK SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
RIGHT? BUT YOUR, YOUR POINT'S TAKEN WHENEVER WE FINALLY GET DOWN TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON, WORDS MATTER WHEN IT GETS PRINTED IN, IN AN ORDINANCE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, BE CAREFUL.
I MEAN, WELL THIS IS YOUR CHANCE, AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BE WHAT WAS WRITTEN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE SOME THINGS.
IT'S THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH PRETTY MUCH EACH SUBSECTION HERE AND HAVE JUST KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE STANDARDS ARE AND WHAT THEY ESSENTIALLY DO.
SO 2 41 IS ALL ABOUT LANDSCAPE PLANS.
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MM-HMM.AND REALLY EVERYTHING IN THIS SUBSECTION IS TELLING US, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE ON A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO PUT ON THERE, WHO NEEDS TO PREPARE IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A PROFESSIONAL.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT A LANDSCAPE PLAN GENERALLY LOOKS LIKE, THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE I HAVE HERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE LAYOUT, AND THIS IS LIKE A NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE LAYOUT OF YOUR PLANTS AND TREES.
IT'S GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT, OKAY, WHAT AM I PLANTING? WHAT'S THE SPECIES, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF IT? AND THEN THOSE ARE GONNA INCLUDE SCHEDULES AND CHARTS THAT ARE TELLING US THIS IS HOW WE'RE MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ARE IN 2 42, WHICH IS THE NEXT SECTION.
SO IN 2 42, THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPING STANDARDS FOR NEW PLANTING.
SO THIS HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S YOU'RE GIVING DESIGN, IT ADDRESSES MAINTENANCE HOW WE WANT LIKE LANDSCAPING TO BE MAINTAINED.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR SITE ISN'T BEING KEPT UP.
THERE'S SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THAT YOU HAVE SOURCE AND SPECIES STANDARDS WE REFERENCED, UM, AND THIS IS SHOWN IN THE APPENDIX, BUT WE HAVE LIKE A REFERENCE FOR THIS IS WHERE PLANT MATERIAL SHOULD BE SOURCED.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST PIECE OF THIS IS PLANT LAYOUT AND SPECIES.
SO WE HAVE RATIOS FOR, 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO ONTO A NEW SITE AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA PLANT ENTIRELY EVERGREEN HAWLEYS.
SO THAT'S ALL WE'RE GONNA PLANT.
WE WOULD LIKE A MIX OF THINGS.
SO WE WANNA SEE A MIX OF DECIDUOUS TREES AND EVERGREEN TREES AND ORNAMENTAL TREES AND A MIX OF TREES AND SHRUBS.
AND SO THERE'S THESE RATIOS IN THERE THAT SORT OF OUTLINE THAT.
THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS PLANTING MINIMUMS. SO WE HAVE MINIMUMS FOR YOUR YARDS THAT SURROUND YOUR SITE.
WE HAVE NUMERICAL STANDARDS FOR YOUR BUILDING PERIMETER AND THEN FOR YOUR PARKING LOT.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAIL WHAT YOU WERE, WHEN I READ THIS, THE NIGHT, QUITE SURE DAY.
I WASN'T SURE HOW DETAILED THEY GOING INTO.
I WANNA POINT OUT THAT A A, UM, A TWO MM-HMM.
A TWO'S 24.1 DASH 2 42 LANDSCAPING STANDARDS.
IT SAYS HERE, ALL FENCES, ALL OFFENSES, WALLS, SCREENING.
SCREENING REQUIRED BY THIS CHAPTER SHALL BE MAINTAINING GOOD ORDER OR MAY, UH, GOOD REPAIR.
ONE PROBLEM OVER ALL THE YEARS I'VE HAD IS THAT PEOPLE NOT MAINTAINING THIS.
AND THEN THEY COME TO THE SUPERVISORS TO GET HELP.
AND UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S WORSE THAN PULLING TEETH TRYING TO GET THESE STANDARDS MAINTAINED FOR LIKE A FENCE.
UH, THE, UH, SHADY VILLA, SHADY BANKS AND YORKSHIRE DOWN THE FENCE BETWEEN THOSE PROPERTIES, TREES IN, UM, THE HARMONY THAT WERE IN A, THAT ARE BUILT IN THE WATER.
THOSE ARE TREES ARE STANDARDS.
THEY, THEY BUILD THESE THINGS.
THEY MEET OUR STANDARDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, SO SOMEHOW IN THIS PART, WE'VE GOT IT HERE.
NOW I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE START ENFORCING THIS STUFF.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT.
SO PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHERE IT IS FOR US AS SUPERVISORS.
WHEN THEY BILL SOMETHING, WE SET THE STANDARDS.
I THINK, UH, DOUG BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP WHEN THEY WERE PUTTING IN THING BEHIND ARBY'S OR SOMEWHERE UP THERE.
AND IT WAS ONE OF 'EM ABOUT MAINTAINING CERTAIN STANDARDS EXPRESS SOME CHICK-FIL-A AND IT'S THE STANDARDS.
SO THEY GOTTA MAINTAIN THIS STUFF.
AND RELATED TO THE, THE MAINTENANCE, ALSO THE INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION.
I, WE, WE, WE SEE A LOT OF PROPOSALS THAT COME TO THE BOARD FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS OR WHATEVER.
AND WE'LL SEE A DRAWING LIKE THIS AND WE'LL GO, HEY, YEAH, THAT LOOKS GOOD.
I I'M OKAY WITH THAT AND WE'LL PASS IT.
AND THEN THAT VIEW NEVER COMES TO FRUITION FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SO, 'CAUSE WHEN I SEE THIS AND I VOTE ON A PROPOSAL TO SAY, YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
EITHER THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE, BE WHAT THE ACTUAL VISION'S GONNA BE, OR WE NEED TO START, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET WHAT THEY, WHAT IS PROPOSED TO US.
DOES THAT, 'CAUSE WE RUN INTO CASES WHERE IT, IT NEVER, IT NEVER MATCHES, EVEN BEGINS TO MATCH THE PICTURE.
STEVE, LET ME ASK ME, LET ME, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
YOU RAISED, AND I'VE HEARD THAT COME UP BEFORE AT BOARD MEETINGS.
THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO IS WHEN IS THE PROCESS IN WHICH WE, UH, APPROVALS TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BEGIN DEVELOPMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COME UP WITH A, WITH A, A, SO A, A A PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A ROUGH PLAN TO GET THIS THING ROLLING.
THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS THE STAFF WILL MAKE.
NOW, IF, IF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL, FINE TUNED PLAN IS, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS IN WHICH YOU WOULD'VE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
BUT THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A PLACE IN WHICH A DEVELOPER, A BUILDER
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OF A HOUSE, A BUILDER OF A BUILDING OR SOME BUSINESS, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO START.AND IT, IT DOESN'T START, IT DOESN'T START WITH ALL THIS BECAUSE THE PROCESS, IT STARTS WITH US NOW, BUT THE PROCESS WITH THE CHANGES CAN OCCUR BECAUSE OF FEDERAL AGENCIES IS EXTERNAL TO THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE WE, UH, UH, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS OR SOME OTHER SOIL, SOIL, THERE'S ALSO TIMING INVOLVED.
SO IF THEY GET WHAT YOU WANT, I THINK, AND THE THE FINAL, THE FINAL APPROVED LOOK, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF LEGALLY WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE ONCE THEY COMMIT SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE COMMITTING A LOT OF MONEY.
YOU KNOW, THE BANKS ARE LOANING MONEY TO THE BUSINESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE, I DO WANNA JUST NOTE TOO, THAT WHEN A LANDSCAPE PLAN IS SUBMITTED WITH A SITE PLAN THAT WOULD FOLLOW, LIKE SAY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHEN STAFF'S REVIEWING IT, IT HAS TO SUBSTANTIALLY MATCH THE APPROVED SKETCH PLAN.
SO IF THEY'RE GOING, IF THEY, THEY GIVE YOU LIKE A SKETCH PLAN LIKE THIS AND IT GETS APPROVED AND THEN WE GET SOMETHING IN FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S COMPLETELY OFF BASE AND DOESN'T, WELL THE WORD IN THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS SUBSTANTIAL? WELL SUBSTANTIAL IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER TO FULL LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO SOMETIMES THINGS HAVE TO SHIFT SLIGHTLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING, LIKE YOUR GRADING OUT YOUR SITE AND IT, SO THE STREET'S GONNA HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT IN UTILITY.
SO THAT'S THE, I WOULD SAY THE INTENT OF THE WORD SUBSTANTIALLY IS UNDERSTANDING THIS ISN'T AN ENGINEERED PLAN.
SO SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T 100% ADHERE TOO MUCH SHOW THERE.
WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK OVER THE YEARS, ANYTIME I'VE SEEN A PLAN COME IN CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TWEAKING AROUND THE EDGES OKAY.
BUT THERE THERE'S NO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, RE LET'S SAY THAT CURVE RELOCATING ON THE OTHER SIDE OR OF THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD REQUIRE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
RIGHT? AND, AND, AND YOUR AND YOUR POINT'S TAKEN THAT THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEEWAY.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE SEEN DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT IMPLEMENTATION THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
UM, AND I, AND, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME BACK.
AND ONCE WE MAKE A DECISION, I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT REHASH IT, BUT, UM, GOTTA HAVE SOME FAITH THAT WHAT WHATEVER WE APPROVE ON A GIVEN NIGHT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE APPROVE.
I KNOW WE RUN INTO OTHER ISSUES TOO WITH THE, UH, OIL CHANGE PLACE THERE ON UM, 17 AND, UM, AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S ROAD, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE APPROVE THAT, THE INGRESS AND THE EGRESS, WE APPROVED ONE THING AND THEN AFTER THE FACT VO CAME IN AND SAID NOPE AND THEN CHANGED IT.
SO YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA LIVE WITH THAT.
WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE'VE GOT THOSE LOVELY LITTLE CIRCLE CIRCLES THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE SIZE OF A MATURE TREE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING IS LIKE MATURE SHRUBS AND YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT REPRESENTS.
BUT THEY DON'T PUT IN MATURE TREES BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT, SO IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S FINISHED UNTIL 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND FRANKLY WHEN WE GET RENDERINGS OF LIKE, THIS IS WHAT ARE, IF THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY A SCREENING, IT'S ALWAYS THE, THIS IS THE MATURE EVERGREEN AFTER, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 10 YEARS.
YOU DON'T, SO LET'S GO TO 22, 42, SECTION A NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU TAKE OUT A 24 INCH DIAMETER TREE, YOU DON'T PUT IN ONE REPLACEMENT THREE INCH TREE.
BUT THIS DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY, OR IS IT WHEN IT DOESN'T, THE MATURITY GETS TO BE 24 INCHES CREDITS.
YEAH, I WAS, YOU PUT SIX TREES IN UNTIL ONE OF THEM GETS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY HITTING ON A POINT I'M ABOUT TO BRING UP IN A SLIDE IS THE CREDIT UNITS.
IT'S NOT LISTED HOW MANY TREES REPLACE A MATURE TREE.
IT'S THE CREDITS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO YOU, YOU CUT DOWN A BIG TREE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO GO PLANT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TWO INCH OR TWO AND A HALF INCH TREES, WHICH ISS GONNA COST A A BUNCH OF MONEY.
BUT IT SHOULD BE STATED IN HERE.
JUST WHAT SIZE AND HOW MANY, IT'S JUST NOT COVERED.
I WOULD SAY MAYBE THE LANGUAGE, THE NEW MATERIAL SHOPPING FORM WITH THE ORIGINAL OR WITH RESPECT TO SIZING CHARACTERISTICS.
SO THINK IT 24 INCH STREET, PUT IT IN 24 INCH STREET, OR I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TO DO NEW PLANTINGS TO MATCH THE CREDITS.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT IS IF YOU'RE TAKING OUT SOMETHING IT HAS TO BE LIKE TO LIKE, OR YOU HAVE TO LANCE TO MEET THE MINUTE.
BUT WHEN I LOOK AT TIDAL WAVE ON WAR TOWN ROAD AND WHAT THEY WERE FORCED TO PUT BACK IN FOR WHAT THEY TOOK OUT, THEY TOOK OUT A LOT OF MATURE TREES AND PUT IN A NUMBER OF THREE INCH TREES.
I'M TALKING ABOUT TIDAL WAVE FOR THIS.
SO
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OVER TIME, I'LL GIVE YOU A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THE SHELL STATION AT THE CORNER OF VICTORY AND ONE, UH, 1 34.
1 34, THEY CAME IN, THEY WERE, THEY STARTED, UH, DOING WORK DOWN THERE AND THE OWNER WENT OUT AND ASKED ONE OF THE VDI GUYS IF HE COULD REMOVE SOME TREES.
THE VDI GUY GOES, HEY, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE TREES.
THE TREES WERE THERE TO MEET OUR GREENBELT STANDARD.
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SO WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEN THE BOARD, I WENT NUTS.THE BOARDS WENT NUTS BASICALLY.
AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK AND PLANT TREES.
BUT THE THING IS, THE STAFF CAME BACK PLANTED.
SO HAD SO MANY TREES IN THERE, THEY WOULD'VE BURIED THE BUSINESS IN TREES.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO EVEN SEE THE GAS STATION.
SO WE KIND OF SAID, NAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND SO WE HAD TO KIND OF AD LIB IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO GETTING THIS INFORMATION KIND OF WHERE IT'S, IS CLEAR, YOU CUT DOWN A 24 INCH TREE, YOU'RE GONNA END UP BUYING ABOUT X NUMBER OF TREES.
OKAY? AND A LOT OF TIMES ALONG THE, THESE GREEN BELTS BUSINESSES, VISIBILITY IS A BIG DEAL, RIGHT? I HEAR THAT ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN.
SO THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY CUT TREES DOWN.
I DON'T, I NEVER SEE REPLANTS.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR IN HERE.
I DO DISCUSS GREEN BELTS LATER, SO IF YOU WANNA, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR THAT TOO.
SO JUST QUICK DISCUSSION OF LANDSCAPE CREDIT UNITS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT.
SO, AND THAT'S IN THAT CHART YOU SEE IN 2 42.
UM, EACH NUMERICAL STANDARD, SO THERE'S TWO CHARTS.
UM, ONE IS TELLING YOU THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PLANTS YOU NEED TO PLANT IN YOUR YARD.
SO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONT YARD, SIDE YARDS, BUILDING, PREMIER PARKING LOTS.
THESE ARE LIKE YOUR BASIC REQUIREMENTS.
YOU'LL SEE IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT LIKE TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS NEED TO HAVE MORE PLANTING.
SO THESE ARE JUST YOUR, YOUR BASIC BASELINE.
THE SECOND TABLE, THOSE ARE YOUR CREDIT LANDSCAPE, CREDIT UNITS.
AND SO YOU HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANTING.
AND THIS BA THIS IS BASED ON THE SIZE OF YOUR TREE FOR LIKE, SO FOR LOOK, SO FOR YOUR NEW PLANTINGS, JUST FOR DECIDUOUS TREES, WE MEASURE THAT BASED ON C WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE DIAMETER OF THE TRUNK OF THE TREE.
AND THE LARGER, YOUR CALIBER OF YOUR DECIDUOUS TREE, THE MORE CREDITS YOU GET.
EVERGREEN TREES, WELL SPECIFICALLY NEW PLANTED EVERGREEN TREES, WE MEASURE BY HEIGHT.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES LIKE A MAGNOLIA, THEY'RE MULTI STEM.
AND THEN AGAIN, TALLER THE TREE, THE MORE CREDITS YOU GET.
AND REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO INCENTIVIZE PLANTING LARGER PLANTINGS IN YOUR YARDS.
SO DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO PLANT TREES THAT GROW A LITTLE FASTER? THIS TREE RIGHT HERE IS ONE OF THE SLOWEST GROWING TREES ON EARTH.
I SWEAR YOU, YOU, YOU COME ABOUT 20 YEARS LATER, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ABOUT A FOOT HIGHER.
SO I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I'M SEEING TOO.
SO IS THAT A LITTLE GEM MAGNOLIA? IT'S, THAT'S A MAGNOLIA.
IT, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S JUST EITHER ONE IN MY HOUSE.
YEAH, I NEED, IT TAKES FOREVER.
HOW OLD ARE YOU? ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.
UM, WANTED TO NOTE ALSO IN THAT CHART TOO, WE ALSO HAVE IN SOME, UH, WE HAVE CREDIT UNITS FOR MATURE TREES.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE SOME NICE, LIKE A NICE STANDARD MATURE TREES OR ON YOUR SITE THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING, WE WANNA KIND OF INCENTIVIZE YOU NOT, MAYBE NOT MOWING THOSE DOWN AND TOTALLY CLEARING THE WHOLE THING.
AND SO LIKE A LARGE, LIKE A TREE THAT'S OVER CALIBER, LIKE 13 INCHES MM-HMM.
THIS LARGER TREE IS GONNA, IT CARRIES A LOT MORE CREDITS THAN A NEWLY PLANTED TREE.
AGAIN, THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE PRESERVATION OF SOME MATURE TREES ON YOUR SITE.
JUST BACK TO MY POINT EARLIER, DECENT DE DECENTIVIZE CUTTING IT DOWN.
SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE DRIVER FOR DECIDING QUANTITY AND TYPE OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER? WHAT, HOW, HOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE WORKING, WHEN YOU GET THE CONCEPT PLAN IN AND YOU'RE REVIEWING IT, WHAT'S DRIVING YOUR DECISIONS ON THIS NUMBER OF TREES? THIS LOOKS GOOD.
WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN WE'RE GETTING A CONCEPT PLAN AT THE STAGE OF LIKE A, LIKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REVIEW OR WHEN WE GET LIKE AN ACTUAL ENGINEERED LANDSCAPE PLAN ENGINEER.
WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISION, WHEN YOU GO TO RETURN BACK TO THE, UM, WHOEVER'S MAKING THE PROPOSAL, THE APPLICANT, WHAT DO YOU BASE, HOW ARE YOU DECIDING WHAT, WHETHER THAT LANDSCAPE CONCEPTED PLAN IS ADEQUATE AND NEEDS CHANGES? WHAT'S THE DRIVER? OKAY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY, OKAY, SO, AND THIS AGAIN IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S PREPARED BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND GETS SUBMITTED LIKE AS PART OF A SITE PLAN PACKAGE HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO.
SO, AND I CAN JUST SPEAK AS LIKE STAFF WHO REVIEWED THIS.
SO WE GET THOSE PLANS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WE'RE LIKE A, WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE, OKAY, WHERE'S YOUR YARDS? WHERE'S YOUR BUILDING PERIMETER? DO YOU HAVE ANY BUFFERS OR NOT? WHAT ABOUT YOUR PARKING LOT? AND I'M USUALLY LOOKING AT, OKAY, A FOR STARTERS, ARE YOU MEETING YOUR MINIMUM PLANTING REQUIREMENT? ARE YOU PLANTING ENOUGH TREES AND SHRUBS? ARE YOU MEETING THOSE RATIOS? SO ARE YOU PLANTING LIKE THAT? YOU'RE MEETING THAT RATIO OF DECIDUOUS TO EVERGREEN ORNAMENTAL AND THEN TREES TO SHRUBS.
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HAVE, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY IN OUR APPENDIX, WE HAVE THIS LIST OF SPECIES.UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD, UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE WHOLE TABLE HERE 'CAUSE IT'S MULTIPLE PAGES, BUT IT'S A TABLE TWO, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TABLE NUMBER, UM, IN APPENDIX SAY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BUT IT'S REALLY COMPREHENSIVE AND SO IT'LL GIVE US LIKE SPECIES TYPE AND IT'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS IS THE SIZE AND SPREAD IT'S GONNA BE ONCE IT'S MATURE.
AND THIS IS LIKE IN THE DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WHERE IT THRIVES AND LIKE IF IT HAS ANY ISSUES WITH LIKE, YOU KNOW, OH IT'S, HAS ISSUES WITH WATER OR IF IT HAS LIKE A PARTICULAR LIKE DISEASE PREFERENCE.
UM, AND AGAIN, SINCE THESE ARE PREPARED BY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ARE USUALLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR PLANTS AND THEY KNOW WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR LIKE, WHEREVER THIS DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE.
AND SO UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY CHOOSING THE CORRECT SPECIES IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS SITE.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE DESIGN IN HARMONY WITH OUR GREEN BELT VISION AS PEOPLE DRIVE BY? SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN BELT BUFFERS SPECIFICALLY? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AGAIN, GETTING TO GREEN BELT BUFFERS, WE DO HAVE MINIMUM PLANTING REQUIREMENTS FOR GREEN BELTS.
AND SO WE WOULD LOOK INTO MAKE SURE THEY, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS WHY STAFF WORK WHEN I GET TO THIS, WE'RE GONNA STAFF HAS SUGGESTED CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME ISSUES RIGHT NOW WITH THAT MINIMUM.
UM, BUT CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CLEAR THE GREEN BELT.
IF YOU HAVE A SITE AND YOU HAVE LIKE A 35 FOOT GREEN BELT, YOU CAN'T GO IN THERE AND CLEAN IT, CLEAR IT UNDER EXCEPT FOR CIRCUM CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT IF YOU HAVE TO REVEGETATE IT, THEN RIGHT NOW STAFF LOOKS AT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT.
AND AGAIN, THE CONTEXT OF A GREEN BELT BUFFER TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE MEETING THE MINIMUM.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ISSUES I WE THINK WITH HOW THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS, THE LANGUAGE IS RIGHT NOW IN CONTEXT OF THAT SECTION.
AND I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THAT IN A COUPLE SLIDES.
YOU TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, BUT I'M THINKING IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF RAW LAND MM-HMM
IS THAT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE LAND BEFORE THEY REMOVE THEM, THE NUMBERS OF TREES AND SO FORTH? IS THAT NOT ADDED? I WOULD, WELL I WOULD SAY LIKE IF YOU HAVE LIKE A BUFFER AND IF YOU HAVE LIKE A MATURE STAND OF TREES IN THAT, IN THE BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED OR IF THEY'RE PROPOSING, LIKE, 'CAUSE LIKE WHAT A SURVEYOR CAN DO IS LIKE, OKAY, IF THEY HAVE LIKE RAW LAND THAT'S WOODED AND THEY SAY WE'RE GONNA LIKE, YOU KNOW, CLEAR WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GRADE AND SUCH AND SUCH, BUT WE WANT TO PRESERVE A CHUNK TO FOR OUR FRONT YARD.
MM-HMM
THAT'S ONE, IF YOU DID A TREE SURVEY PRIOR TO, WE DO, WE REQUIRE THAT FOR GREEN BELT BUFFERS, WE REQUIRE THAT FOR TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE PRESERVING ANY MATURE TREES THAT YOU WANNA USE FOR CREDIT IN YOUR YARDS, THEN YOU NEED TO TELL US LIKE THIS IS THE SPECIES AND THE SIZE AND THEN THIS IS HOW MANY SUBSEQUENT CREDITS YOU CAN, OKAY, SO YOU END UP KROGER PARKING LOT WHAT USED TO BE
AND THEY GO IN THERE AND PRESERVE CREDITS.
THEY WOULD END UP, THEY CUT DOWN THIS HUGE FOREST OF, UH, SWEET GUM AND THEY WOULD LEAVE AS YOU WOULD FIND IN THE MIDDLE OF A FOREST, A 50 FOOT TALL TREE WITH ONLY THE BRANCHES AT THE VERY TOP.
AND THE, AND THE, AND THEN A LITTLE, MAYBE A 10 FOOT WIDE PARKING BUFFER IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE SEEM NEVER TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THE TREE'S NOT GONNA LIVE LONG.
IT'S GONNA GET BLOWN OVER MAYBE 'CAUSE NOW IT'S LOST ALL THE SPORT.
AND TWO, IT'S THE ROOT SYSTEM'S GONNA GET DESTROYED BY THE EITHER THE HEAT OR THE, OR THE CAR.
SO THE THINGS RUNNING OVER THE BASIC ROUTE.
AND YET THEY GET CREDIT FOR THIS.
ARE WE ADDRESSING ANY OF THIS IN THIS, THIS STUFF? I MEAN, I THINK STAFF WOULD LOOK AT THAT WHEN THEY REVIEW A PLAN AND CONSIDER THAT.
WELL THAT WAS 1991 WHEN THEY, THEY BUILT THAT PARKING LOT.
AND UH, AND THOSE, AND ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THOSE TREES ARE GONE NOW.
'CAUSE THEY, ONE, THEY WERE DANGER IF YOU LEFT 'EM UP THERE BY THEMSELVES.
IT'D TAKE OUT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE CARS IF IT FELL OVER.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT MADE NO SENSE.
HAVING A, JUST GETTING A CREDIT FOR A SKINNY LITTLE TREE THAT, THAT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FOREST.
NOW IT'S ALL BY ITSELF OUT IN THE BIG, BIG OLD PARKING LOT.
I MEAN I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, AS YOU SAID, WE DON'T SEE THAT COMMONLY ANYMORE, ESPECIALLY WITH PARKING LOTS BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I THINK IS EVEN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE, HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU SEE IT ON THE PERIPHERY MORE NOW IN YOUR YARDS, BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
SO THIS, THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T A NEW CONCEPT TO ZONING IN YORK COUNTY.
WE HAD KIND OF LIKE A PROTO VERSION OF TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS IN THE 85 ORDINANCE AND THEN WAS UPDATED TO WHAT IT IS NOW IN
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1995 WHEN WE CURRENTLY ADOPTED THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.SO IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, REALLY THE INTENT OF IT IS A LANDSCAPE STRIP LAND THAT'S PROTECTING AND BUFFERING A LESS INTENSE LAND USE FROM A MORE INTENSE LAND USE.
AND IN OUR ORDINANCE WE LAY OUT LIKE THREE DIFFERENT SIZES.
THE 25 FOOT, 35 FOOT AND 50 FOOT.
AND REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A LESS INTENSE LAND USE NEXT TO, I'M JUST TAKING LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS NEXT TO LIKE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SKINNIER BUFFER VERSUS IF YOU HAVE LIKE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY A 50 FOOT BUFFER.
AND WE HAVE A WHOLE MATRIX THAT KIND OF LAYS OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 2 43 B THAT'S LAYING OUT DIFFERENT BUFFER WIDTHS AS COMPARED TO LIKE WHATEVER INTERFACE YOU HAVE BETWEEN THE TWO DISTRICTS.
DOES A TRANSITIONAL BUFFER HAVE TO BE ON THE PER, ON THE SIDE OF THE BUSINESS, ALL OF IT? OR CAN IT BE SHARED? OH BOY.
WE, SO THAT ACTUALLY, IT ACTUALLY DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S DEVELOPED.
AND IF YOU READ, ACTUALLY IF YOU READ THROUGH THIS, UM, THE LIKE C WHICH IS BUFFER LOCATION STANDARD, IT, IT REALLY DEPENDENT ON LIKE WHICH ONE DEVELOPS FIRST.
IF THEY DEVELOP AT THE SAME TIME, UM, IF THEY, SOMETIMES THEY CAN LIKE, IF THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN EXECUTE LIKE A SHARED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, HAVE IT SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM.
I, I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT OUR ORDINANCE GIVES.
SO MY LITTLE LIKE GRAPHIC EXAMPLE I HAD LIKE GB NEXT TO R 20 AND THEN, OOH, THERE'S YOUR, THERE'S YOUR SHARED BUFFER.
AND THEN WELL WHAT IF THE R 20 PARCEL STILL WOULD AND IS UNDEVELOPED THEN A BUFFER COULD SHIFT OVER TO THE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL.
BUT AGAIN, THERE'S LIKE CAVEATS FOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LIKE A RESIDENTIALLY, PREVIOUSLY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED, LIKE LET'S SAY YOU WERE LIKE A, A GB PROPERTY THAT HAD LIKE A NONCONFORMING RESIDENCE AND THEN SOMEONE TEARS THAT DOWN AND THEN PUTS LIKE A COMMERCIAL USE OR INDUSTRIAL USE, THEN THE BUFFER CHANGES AGAIN.
SO IT KIND OF SHIFTS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THERE'S THESE DIFFERENT ALLOWANCES IN THE CODE LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID, THE ONLY THING I GOT OUT OF IT WAS THE SHIFTS.
BUT I MEAN, WE NEED TO HAVE, BE THOUGHT, WE NEED TO BE THINKING OF THIS.
WHEN WE CREATE THESE PLANS, LIKE I THINK I KNOW OF A CASE WHERE WE DO HAVE A BUSINESS UP AGAINST A, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHERE THE RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WAS IMPACTED 'CAUSE THEY HAD TO MAINTAINED A BUFFER.
IT'S CALLED SPRINGFIELD ROAD IN TRANQUILITY.
THERE'S 20 FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSES BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE FACING, UH, SPRINGFIELD ROAD AND YOU ONLY NEED A 10 FOOT SET BY, BUT IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T MEET THE 25 OR THE 35 OR THE 50 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED BETWEEN ZONING TYPES.
I'M JUST MAKING, WE NEED, THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF.
WE NEED, WE NEED IMPROVED LANGUAGE IN HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO REZONINGS WE PUT THE EFFECTIVE SETBACK IN PLACE AND MAINTAIN IT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'VE LOST IT.
IT'S 10 FEET, 10 FEET TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.
WELL, SO THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDO THIS.
SO, SO THAT YOU THINK IT MAKES BETTER SENSE.
I BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE TOO, UM, JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS OR OPEN SPACE CLUSTER SUBDIVISIONS, SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN BUFFER REQUIREMENT AND THEN LIKE THE OPEN, OPEN SPACE STRIP AGAINST THE EXTERIOR THAT'S IN ITS OWN CODE SECTION.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE WHOLE CLUSTER SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT AT THAT TIME AND LOOK AT THAT TOO BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES.
OH YEAH, I WAS JUST SAYING IT'S A SEPARATE, THAT'S FOR CLUSTER SUBDIVISION SPECIFICALLY, IT'S SEPARATE.
IT'S, UM, IT, IT REFERS BACK TO LIKE THE PLANTING STANDARD THAT'S IN HERE, BUT THE WIDTH OF THE STRIP AND THAT THE PLANTING IS IN THAT SECTION PARTICULARLY, AND THAT'S WRONG.
AND SO I, YOU CAN ADDRESS CLUSTER ALL YOU WANT, BUT WE DIDN'T STICK WITH THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M UPSET BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ONE DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND 10 FOOT STRIP BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION FOR BETWEEN DISTRICTS.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THE TRANS FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS.
WE'VE HEARD THAT THIS IS GONNA BE KIND OF HARD TO DO, BUT, AND IT ISN'T.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE COMMON SENSE BUFFERS HAVE TO BE, THEY HAVE TO BE APPLIED OR COMMON SENSE HAS TO BE APPLIED TO A BUFFER.
YOU CAN'T COOKIE CUT THE BUFFER.
SOMETIMES YOU'RE GONNA, YOU MEAN, YES, YOU CAN GO IN AND SAY, BY GOSH, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS 35 FOOT BUFFER AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA LIVE WITH IT.
BUT THE IMPACT ON PROPERTIES, UH, AND HOUSING.
SO WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OUT FOR SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
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AND IF IT, IF IT HAS TO BE COMING FROM THE POOR SUPERVISORS TO GET THAT APPROVAL, SO BE IT.I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT THIS.
'CAUSE THE LAW IS THIS, 'CAUSE WE CREATED THE LAW, BUT WE OUGHT TO HAVE A COMMON SENSE ESCAPE FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO WHAT MECHANISM WOULD YOU USE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? WELL, IT'S WHATEVER THE, WHATEVER THE CODES WILL ALLOW US TO DO IT.
SO I, NO, I DON'T NEED A SPECIAL, I WOULD NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D DO.
WOULD NOT WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU WHY WOULDN'T IT COME BEFORE THE BOARD? WHAT, WHAT WOULD BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD? WELL, IT'S OKAY.
YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A, A VARIANCE TO AN ORDINANCE RIGHT.
THEN, THEN YOU COULD END UP WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT IF YOU BUILD A VARIANCE IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
YOU CAN, IT CAN BE EITHER DONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET, YOU GET A SENSE OF THE WE COULD DO IT, WE COULD DO IT THROUGH, THROUGH THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
OR IF, IF, IF THEY CALL THE SUPERVISOR OKAY.
UM, IN YOUR DISTRICT AND, UH, THEY, AND THEY JUST GOT THIS REALLY UGLY SITUATION, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
YOU CAN COME HERE AND TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A, A VARIANCE.
UH, BUT THE POINT IS WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY NOW.
SO, MR. SO REAL QUICK, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE CAN'T RESPOND TO OUR COMMUNITY SAYING, SORRY, THIS'S THE WAY THIS IS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
BUT THE SAME HAND, ON THE SAME OTHER HAND, WE CAN'T HAVE EVERY INSTANT BE, UM, CONTESTED AND BROUGHT RIGHT.
SO HOWEVER WE DEFINE THOSE VARIANCES, EVERYTHING CAN'T BE A, A A, A SPECIAL USE CASE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORD IT.
SOME SMART PEOPLE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, I BUT YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT OUR HANDS TIED.
WE DON'T WANT JUST SUGAR OUR SHOULDERS OF, SIR, WE CAN'T HELP YOU.
BUT WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYBODY WHO BRING EVERY APPLICATION COME TO THE BOARD GOING, I NEED YOU TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL TO ME.
'CAUSE IN THAT CASE THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE ORDINANCE IF WE'RE THAT'S RIGHT.
IF WE'RE DECIDING EVERY, SO WHEREVER THAT BALANCE IS, WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR A COMMON SENSE WAY OF DOING IT.
TO, IS THERE, I GUESS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, IS THERE LIKE A COMMON CONCERN THAT YOU'RE SEEING AND LIKE ON A PARTICULAR, LIKE, LIKE IS IT NO, I HAVE RESIDE.
IS IT LIKE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA SITUATION OR ON, UM, HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
THE CENTER, WE GOT A GREEN BELT ON THE SIDES.
I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO DETAIL HERE.
UH, BUT IS THERE'S A, SOMETIMES IT CAN CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR A BUSINESS.
I MEAN, OR YOU HAVE A WHOLE, A WHOLE, UM, WHAT WOULD I CALL A SHOPPING CENTER PART THAT ALL THE BUSINESSES IN THERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GREENBELT.
SO YOUR CONCERNS MORE WITH THE GREENBELT BUFFERS THEN, AND NOT NECESSARILY TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
WELL, IT COULD BE GREEN, IT COULD BE ANY PART OF IT.
UM, AND I LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME MECHANISM SO THAT THE, THAT THE CITIZENS CAN COME TO COME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I MEAN, JUST, I'M SORRY, MR. NO, GO AHEAD.
I'M THINKING, I WAS JUST THINKING IN THE CONTEXT OF GREEN BELTS, THEY CAN COME TO YOU AND ASK TO CLEAR THAT'S WRITTEN IN THERE.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO COME TO YOU AND ASK TO CLEAR MM-HMM.
MOST VERY RECENTLY THEY DID FOR THE EXTRA DRIVE THROUGH.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THIS AT IN HOUSE, THE PROCESS.
IT'S, DOES IT REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, PUBLIC HEARING? YES SIR.
SO THEY GOT A COUGH UP ABOUT WHAT, 300 BUCKS? THREE 50 BUCKS TO DO THIS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE STANDARD IS.
THERE'S NO, WELL, JUST TOLD ME THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE IS FOR GREEN SERVICES FOR GREENVILLE.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AREN'T YOU SUPPOSED TO ADVERTISE IT? YES.
AND IT JUST COMES TO THE BOARD.
OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED LOOK AT.
I THINK CHICK-FIL-A CAME THROUGH THE MECHANISM OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE IT WAS TIED TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, THE WHOLE DOWN YARD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CHECK IT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON THE DOT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON PAGE FIVE AND A HALF OF 12
UM, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THAT WHATEVER PACE MAKES THE MOST SENSE, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND FINISH UP TRANSITIONAL BUFFER FOR THIS EVENING.
GIVE TIME FOR FINAL COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS AND THEN WE'LL SCHEDULE THE OTHER SIX PAGES
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HERE SOON.UM, JUST TO WRAP UP TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
SO AGAIN, MY LITTLE SAMPLE HERE, I'M JUST KIND OF SHOWING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
TYPICALLY, FOR MOST CASES, THIS IS, UM, RIVER RECYCLING, AIR CONDITIONING, FOR THOSE OF YOU REMEMBER THAT PERMIT.
UM, USUALLY YOU HAVE, SO IN THIS CASE IT'S COMMERCIAL.
NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU'LL HAVE LIKE A STAND OF EXISTING MATURE WOODS AND USUALLY THE BELLER OPS TO PRESERVE THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THE CASE THOUGH, THAT MAYBE LIKE THE WHOLE SITE WAS CLEARED AND YOU NEED TO PLANT THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, YOU HAVE TO PLANT EVERGREEN PLANTINGS.
AND WHERE WE KIND OF STAFFS IDENTIFIED A INTERESTING BIT OF LANGUAGE IS THE PLANTING RATIO SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF SHRUBS.
SO RIGHT NOW FOR TYPE 25 AND 35 FOOT BUFFERS, YOU CAN PLANT UP TO 70% OF YOUR CREDITS CAN BE EARNED FROM SHRUBS.
AND FOR 50 FOOT BUFFERS IT'S 50%.
WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE YOUR SHRUB PLANTING SIZE IS 18 INCHES HEIGHT AND SPREAD.
NOW WE, FOR TRANSITIONAL BUFFER SPECIFICALLY, WE DO REQUIRE THAT, OKAY, WHATEVER EVERGREEN SHRUB YOU GO AND PLANT HAS TO EVENTUALLY GROW TO BE FOUR FEET.
BUT AT PLANTING, THIS IS THE SIZE WE'RE WE'RE ASKING.
AND SO THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF, AGAIN, IT'S A, THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS TO PROTECT A LESS INTENSE LAND USE, MORE INTENSE LAND USE.
BUT IF WE'RE LETTING MORE THAN HALF OF IT BE SHRUBS, SO WE, WE SUGGEST REVISING THAT RATIO TO REQUIRE MORE TREES.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOTTA TRANSITIONAL, BUT YOU'VE GOT SHRUBS.
AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THE SHRUBS TO GROW? I MEAN, SO IN THE INTERIM IT'S NOTHING.
WELL, THEY'D HAVE TO BE LARGER OR DEPENDS IF YOU WATER THEM OR NOT.
SO I, ONE QUESTION, ONE COMMENT WHERE WE ENCROACH ON BUFFERS.
SO 35 FOOT BUFFER FOR EXAMPLE, SHOULD WE HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REPLACE ANY SHRUBS THAT ARE CUT OUT? SHOULD THERE BE A DOUBLING OF THAT? BECAUSE YOU'RE LESSENING THE BUFFER.
AND THAT'S ONE AREA WITHIN TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
IF YOU TIE INTO THAT YOU MAY HAVE A GOOD BUSINESS REASON FOR CUTTING YOUR 35 FOOT GREEN BELT TO 25 FEET.
FINE, YOU BRING IT TO US, WE REVIEW IT.
IF YOU CUT DOWN SHRUBS TO ALLOW THAT 25 FOOT INSTEAD OF 35 FOOT, THERE'S NO COST IMPACT TODAY OR NO, NOTHING THAT REQUIRES YOU TO GO BACK IN AND ADD ANYTHING MORE THAN, THAN WHAT YOU'VE CUT DOWN.
MY THOUGHTS WAS, OR MY THOUGHT IS YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE A MORE DENSE WALL IN THE REMAINING 25 FOOT THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BLOCK OUT THAT, UH, NOISE AND TRAFFIC, ET CETERA, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE VIABILITY OF THE, OF THE PLANT LIFE.
WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS, TWO THINGS HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, SOUND ENGINEERS THAT HAVE COME DOWN HERE AND TALKED TO US, ESPECIALLY ABOUT 64, SAID THAT THEY HAVE ANY EFFECTIVE BUFFERING IN, UH, FOLIAGE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE 200 FEET OF PLANTED FOLIAGE.
OKAY? SO 10 FEET AIN'T GONNA CUT IT.
I GUARANTEE YOU I COULD SEE IT IF YOU GO DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
SEE THAT? THAT'S JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UH, THE SECOND THING BACK, UH, YEARS, IT'S TRUE.
BUT EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS IT.
UH, THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, A CASE THAT HAPPENED IN SHEILA'S DISTRICT WHERE A, THE LANDOWNER GOT CROSSWISE WITH FOUR SUPERVISORS, OR THE COMMUNITY HAD DECIDED TO PLANT THE WHOLE PLACE IN PINE TREES.
AND, UH, AND SO THEY PLANTED THEM UP TO 25 FEET WITHIN 25 FEET OF THE HOUSE, OF ALL THE HOUSES.
UM, AND THAT SOLVED ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WAS THAT KEPT IT WOODS OPEN SPACE.
BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN OF ALL THESE YEARS IS THAT A FIRE STARTED DOWN THERE, IT WOULD'VE TAKEN OUT ALL THE HOMES.
ALRIGHT? UM, SO WE JUST GOTTA BE AWARE OF HOW WE SOMETIMES APPLY THESE THINGS.
WE STILL WORRY ABOUT THAT CREEK.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE THE INTERESTING INTERFACE BECAUSE THE, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GREEN BELT SPECIFICALLY, BUT RIGHT NOW THE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS FOR GREEN BELTS, LIKE FOR CREDITS ARE NOT AS INTENSE AS TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS.
UM, SO LIKE IF SOMEBODY COMES UP TO US WITH LIKE, OKAY, I HAVE A TYPE 25 BUFFER, AND THEN LET'S SAY THEY HAVE TO LIKE SHORTEN IT AND THEY'RE
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ASSUMING THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, SOMETIMES WE'LL STILL REQUIRE THEM TO MEET THE LANDSCAPE CREDIT MINIMUM.SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, JUST JUST TO USE AN EXAMPLE HERE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A, LIKE YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THEN YOU HAVE A ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THIS SIDE, WE DO ALLOW YOU TO CUT, YOU KNOW, CUT THE BUFFER IN HALF OR, OR MEET 20 FEET, WHATEVER'S LARGER.
HOWEVER, YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET THE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS FOR WHATEVER THE BUFFER TYPE IS.
SO, OKAY, I HAVE A 20 FOOT BUFFER, BUT I STILL HAVE TO PLANT IT LIKE IT'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER AND I HAVE TO MEET THAT LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CREDITS.
SO YOU DON'T, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE COULDN'T CALCULATE HOW MUCH PLANTS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN THERE IF THEY'RE PLANTING IT OR IF THEY'RE KEEPING MATURE TREES AND THEY'RE GIVING US A SURVEY, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BY.
SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THESE MINIMUMS STILL FOR, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS SPECIFICALLY.
SO, SO I GUESS QUESTION FOR YOU ALL, SINCE WE'RE ENDING HERE, IS LOOKING AT THE MATRIX, AND AGAIN, WE, THIS CAN BE A DISCUSSION LATER, UM, AS WE LOOK AT IT OVER TIME.
BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT ALSO WAS THE MATRIX AND THE WIDTHS WE HAVE BETWEEN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
WE STILL FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN DO WE FEEL THE, IF THESE LANDSCAPE CREDIT UNIT AMOUNTS APPROPRIATE, UM, AS STAFF, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I, WE'VE SEEN THESE REQUIREMENTS 'CAUSE THESE ARE THE MOST INTENSE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE FOR BUFFERS.
WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY, THEY WORKED PRETTY WELL WHERE SOMEBODY'S HAD TO COME IMPLANT.
BUT THAT AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO HERE'S HOW I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, 'CAUSE WE, WE WILL SPEND A LOT OF TIME GETTING DOWN IN THE WEEDS, PUN INTENDED, UM, ON THIS.
BUT REALLY WE NEED TO BE ASKING OURSELVES ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS? OR YES, IN THE ABSENCE OF THIS ORDINANCE, A DEVELOPER COULD DEVELOP SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND JUST PAVE THE WHOLE THING.
AND, AND NOT, NOT, NOT A SINGLE PLA BUT ONLY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND IT, AND, AND THE ORDINANCE ADDRESSES IT.
EROSION CONTROL, APPEARANCE, SCREENING, NOISE AND DUST.
BUT REALLY THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE.
WE WANNA PROTECT PROPERTIES FROM OTHER PROPERTIES WITH LANDSCAPING.
WE WANT, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS VISUALLY APPEALING AS YOU'RE DRIVING AT A 17, 1 34, OUR DIFF DIFFERENT STREETS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR COMMUNITY TURN INTO, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE YOU'RE JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, STRIP MALL, STRIP MALL, STRIP MALL, STRIP BALL, ASPHALT, ASPHALT, CONCRETE.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHATEVER WE DO SHOULD BE DRIVE DRIVEN TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
ALL WE ARE WE STILL ACCOMPLISHING THAT TODAY AS WE START IN 95? AND DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO, TO ADDRESS IT OR ADDRESS IT BETTER? MM-HMM,
SO, AND I WOULD THINK LOOKING AT IT IS, IS LOOKING AT THE, THE BUFFER, NOT IN FIVE YEARS, BUT IN 15 YEARS WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING FORWARD WITH IT, UH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK MORE TREES WE CAN PLANT FOR BETTER OFF WE ARE.
SO, AND THAT INTENT GOES BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE CREDITS.
IS IS THAT REALLY ACCOMPLISHING WHAT THE, WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS BUILT FOR? OR ARE WE JUST CHECKING A BOX OFF? IS THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING CONCEPTUALLY THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD YEAH, I, I THINK JUST TO THINK OF ANOTHER THING TO CONSIDER WHEN LOOKING AT LANDSCAPE CREDITS IS THAT'S OUR UNIT OF MEASUREMENT RIGHT.
SO MAYBE LOOK, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF LANDSCAPE CREDIT UNITS YOU'RE REQUIRING, BUT I THINK YOU STILL NEED, WE STILL NEED TO HAVE LIKE A BASE UNIT OF THE ME.
IT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING, BUT JUST, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE A CHECK THE BOX METRIC.
WE WANT IT TO BE AN EFFECTIVE METRIC.
SO IF I LOOK JUST AN EXAMPLE ON THIS CHART.
MM-HMM,
WHATEVER THE WORD IT IS, I COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH IT.
SO, UM, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT IS THE NEXT TO, SO I HAVE A TRAILER PARK, OKAY.
MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, WHATEVER.
AND, AND I LOOK AT A BUFFER OF UH, SAY GENERAL BUSINESS 35 FEET, RIGHT? SO ISN'T THAT ACTUALLY WIDER THAN THE, THAN THE R SEVEN PROPERTY? I MEAN, IF I LOOK AT IT FROM THAT WALL TO THE, WELL, UM, SO ABOUT 35 FEET MR. SHEPHERD.
UM, R SEVEN IS FOR MANUFACTURED HOME PARKS.
SO IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE TRA MANUFACTURED HOME PARK, NOT JUST LIKE THE LOT ITSELF.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT TO IT THOUGH? I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTER RIM OF THE PARK.
SO IF I HAVE, UM, THE BUSINESS THAT I WANNA PUT IN, AND WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE OUR, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE HERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE GONNA PUT LIKE A RESTAURANT
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OR UH, SOMETHING MAYBE THAT'S A LOW IMPACT, BUT IS HAVING A 35 FOOT BUFFER UP NEXT TO A TRAILER, A PARK, IS THAT ADEQUATE OR IS IT NOT ADEQUATE? I MEAN, SO I, I, THAT'S, I KIND OF, I KIND OF QUESTION THAT BECAUSE GREAT, A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS, UH, THE TAB MAGRID TAB ANIMAL CLINIC.AND THE GUY, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS, EVERYBODY LOVES THAT BUSINESS.
BUT IT'S UPTA PARK AND IT'S REALLY TIGHT.
IT'S, IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BUFFER WAS IN THERE, BUT IT, IT WAS THE A THE, IT WAS A DISTRACTION FOR THE BUSINESS.
SO IT, IT WAS SOMETHING TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF IS THIS ADEQUATE OR I DON'T KNOW.
TO ME IT JUST, I MEAN I WENT DOWN THERE AND, UH, TALKED TO DR. WALLACE AND WE LOOKED AT THE BACK OF THE PLACE AND, AND HE WAS REALLY TO BUY THE, THE TRAILER PARK WHOLE FENCE.
I MEAN, REALLY A NICE FENCE THROUGH THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S WAS FALLING DOWN AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, UM, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST JUNKY LOOKING BECAUSE THE ONE, IT'S, NO ONE TOOK CARE OF IT.
BUT HE HAD TO PUT THIS BUSINESS IN BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, TIRE RIMS AND, AND JUNK LIKE THAT.
SO THE QUESTION I'VE GOT HERE IS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT ONE PARTICULAR CASE.
SO WE KEEP IN MIND THE LENGTH OF THIS ROOM'S ABOUT 40 FEET.
AND IF I HAVE A TRAILER RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE UP TO THIS WINDOW AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THAT AND THE GENERAL BUSINESS.
AND THAT CUTS AND THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE ON THE, THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS.
AND THAT REALLY SUCKS UP A LOT OF SPACE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANKS FOR GETTING US KICKED OFF.
WE'VE BEEN AT AN HOUR, 15 MINUTES.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, STRETCH OUR LEGS AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
PICK BACK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
[2* Home-Based Business Update: Receive an update from Earl Anderson, Chief of Development Services. ]
GONNA HAVE MR. ANDERSON GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.SO, UM, YOU TABLED THIS APPLICATION AT YOUR JUNE MEETING TO SEPTEMBER.
AND SO IN PREPARATION FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY, UM, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
LOOK VERY BRIEFLY AT THE PROPOSAL FROM THE HOME BASED BUSINESS COMMITTEE AND THEN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT I RECEIVED FROM CITIZENS, UM, AND THEN GET AN IDEA FROM YOU WHICH DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO SO THAT I CAN BE PREPARED FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON THE 17TH.
I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN REALLY QUICK.
YOU ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS LICENSES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, 79% OF THE BUSINESS LICENSES ARE WHAT WE CALL BASE OF OPERATIONS.
THESE ARE BASICALLY CONSULTING, PROCESSING, PAPERWORK, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPUTERS SITTING ON YOUR COFFEE TABLE, KIND OF KIND OF BUSINESS.
UH, 17% ARE MERCHANTS WHERE, UH, THEY ARE DOING WHOLESALE, RETAIL, ONLINE KIND OF SALE.
BUT NO, NO CLIENTS COMING TO THE HOME.
MM-HMM,
AND MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE PAST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REQUIRED FOR OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND THEN THE 0.5% ARE JUST ANYTHING ELSE.
WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO CLASSIFY
UH, SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THOSE BASE OF OPERATIONS.
UM, AND THE BAR CHART HERE KIND OF SHOWS THE DIFFERENT VARIETIES OF, AND I KNOW, I'M SORRY IT'S SO SMALL, BUT THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS FROM, YOU KNOW, WRITING TO, YOU KNOW, OH SURE.
UH, BEAUTY SERVICES, LEGAL SERVICES, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO BROKE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING TO THE SITE, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT ASSOCIATED WITH CHILDCARE OR, UM, ANIMAL SERVICES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT COVER WHEN YOU SAY ANIMAL SERVICES? LET'S, HOSPITALITY.
HOSPITALITY SERVICES INCLUDE LIKE BED AND BREAKFAST EVENT PLANNERS, FOOD TRUCKS, CATERING, RENTAL PROPERTY, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE FELL UNDER HOSPITALITY SERVICES.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY, 'CAUSE WE HAVE WHAT, 16 SHORT TERM RENTALS RIGHT NOW APPROVED.
AND THEN FOOD TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY ALSO.
WELL, SO OVERALL IT'S NOT THAT MANY.
I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE, THE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS YOU HAVE NOW.
SO JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UM, UH, WE GOT THAT CHAMBER LETTER BACK
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IN THE DAY.UH, WE WORKED FORWARD THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PIECES.
AND, UM, NOW, UH, WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING AND I WANTED JUST TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS.
SO OUR CORE CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION, YOU HAVE TO RESIDE ON THE PREMISES.
IT CAN'T BE LARGER THAN 25% OF 400 SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
UH, YOU CANNOT SELL ANYTHING OR HAVE ANY CUSTOMERS ON SITE FOR A BUY RIGHT USE.
YOU CANNOT CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
ANY PARKING YOU HAVE ON THE SITE HAS TO BE 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE HAS TO BE SCREENED, AND YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY HEAVY VEHICLE EQUIPMENT ON SITE.
THIS IS OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A LIST OF USES THAT ARE PERMITTED.
AND I'VE PUT SOME OF THEM UP HERE.
THIS IS NOT THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LIST, BUT I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE, YOU KNOW, SO ARTISTS, AUTHORS, DAYCARE FOR NOT MORE THAN FOUR CHILDREN.
SEAMSTRESS HOME CRAFTS OFFICES FOR CLERGY, ACCOUNTANTS, ARCHITECTS, ET CETERA.
THAT ONE'S A HOLDOVER, I THINK.
UM, BUT THEN IN, IN DISTRICTS SUCH AS OUR CRRR 33 20 AND 13, YOU CAN HAVE A PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR HOME.
YOU CAN HAVE TUTORING FOR MUSIC OR VOICE LESSONS, AND YOU CAN, THAT CAN BE NOT FOR NOT MORE THAN FOUR AT ONE TIME.
SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN HAVE ANY OF THESE USES IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
AND WE ALSO HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS RIGHT NOW IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE MORE PARKING THAN WOULD BE NORMALLY REQUIRED, UM, IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE ON-PREMISE SALES OR PERSONAL SERVICE.
SO IF YOU BEAUTY SALON OR ANTIQUE SHOP BIKE RENTAL, UM, IF YOU WANNA RENT A ROOM FOR MORE THAN 90 DAYS OUT OF YOUR HOME, IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THROUGH THE HOME OCCUPATION.
MORE THAN FOUR DAYCARE, ANY KIND OF CUSTOMER CONTACT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT NOW.
AND THEN FIREARM SALES OF ANY KIND REQUIRES SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION ON SMALL CONTRACTING BUSINESSES.
THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED IN RCRR AND WCI AND SOMEONE CAN COME FORWARD AND ASK FOR THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
DOCKING OF WORK BOATS, I THINK I SAID THE LAST TIME, WE'VE HAD TWO OF THOSE SINCE WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE IN 95.
AND THEN ALSO ANY NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEES.
SO LIKE IF YOU HAVE A HOMEBASED BUSINESS WHERE YOU'RE BRINGING EMPLOYEE IN, YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT.
AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE SET IN THERE.
SO IF YOU, YOU HAVE TO OPERATE BETWEEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM UH, PARKING HAS TO BE 10 FEET FROM PROPERTY LINE SCREENING.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE STILL LIMITED, BUT THE BOARD HAS THE OPTION TO MAKE IT MORE IF THEY SO WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL LIMITS UNDER THE CONTRACTORS AND WORK BOATS PIECES TOO.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GO THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY.
AND THEN PROHIBITED USES RIGHT NOW.
THESE ARE ALL THE PROHIBITED USES WE HAVE IN THERE.
UM, AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.
AND SO THE NEXT SECTION I'LL GO THROUGH JUST VERY QUICKLY, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY LISTENED TO IT, BUT IS THE CHANGES THAT THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS COMMITTEE PROPOSED.
UH, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WAS THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THAT LIST OF USES AND JUST ALLOW A MORE GENERAL ALLOWANCE, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON SITE.
UH, A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE SITE.
UH, SO THEY DID REMOVE THOSE USES.
UM, AND THEY ADDRESSED INTENSITY BY ALLOWING UP TO FOUR EITHER MM-HMM.
IT'S, IT'S FOUR TOTAL OF THOSE THINGS.
IT'S NOT THE RESIDENT AND THEN FOUR CUSTOMERS COMING.
IT'S THE RESIDENT, THREE CUSTOMERS COMING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH, UM, WERE IN THERE.
AND THEN ANYTHING EXCEEDING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, ALL THE PARKING HAD TO BE ON THE PROPERTY, HAD TO BE A SURFACE PARKING LOT, UH, PARKING AREA.
UM, AND THERE COULD BE NO OFF STREET PARKING.
AND THAT OFF STREET PARKING INCLUDED EVEN THE HOME ITSELF.
SO THE RESIDENTS AND THE HOME OCCUPATION IN THEIR PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS THEY HAD TO HAVE ALL THEIR PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY THEY COULD NOT USE ON STREETE PARKING FOR IF THEY HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION.
ADDITIONALLY, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS IN THERE IF THEY WENT OVER ANYTHING OF THAT.
UM, THEY DID INCREASE THE, UH, DAYS OF OPERATION TO ALL SEVEN DAYS OF THE WEEK IS WHAT THEY PROPOSED.
UH, BUT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
BUT YOU COULD COME GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ASK FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL TIMES IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, THEY DID ADD SOME PROHIBITED USES TO THE LIST, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, SMALL ENGINE REPAIR, TATTOO PARLORS, GAMBLING VEHICLES WITH HAZARDOUS UM, MATERIALS.
BUT THEY, THEY DID THINK THAT GIFT SHOPS WOULD BE ONE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE OUT AND ALLOW AS A USE, UM, RATHER THAN PROHIBITED.
SO I DID MEET WITH MS. HOWE, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT.
HOPEFULLY I REPRESENT HER COMMENTS VERY WELL.
UM, SHE, UH, SHE WAS ONE OF THE CITIZENS THAT HAD A CONCERN WITH
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THIS.AND SHE FELT THAT HOME-BASED BUSINESSES NEED TO BE INVISIBLE.
YOU SHOULDN'T SEE THEM IF YOU DRIVE AROUND YOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU SHOULDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, A A A BUSINESS USE AT A HOME.
UM, AND SHE FELT THE NEW PROPOSAL REALLY IMPACTED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THIS BY KIND OF LOSING THE INPUT PROCESS AND BASICALLY KIND OF GIVING AN ANYTHING GOES KIND OF ATTITUDE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE CAME IN, THEY COULD, IF THEY HAD, THEY MET THE FOUR, THEY COULD DO ANYTHING THEY WANT.
YOU MIGHT SEE MORE VEHICLES, MORE TRAILERS ON PROPERTY, AND IT WOULDN'T KEEP THAT RESIDENTIAL VIBE THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING AND WHAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS.
SO SHE, ONE OF HER BIG SUGGESTIONS WAS TO KEEP THE USE THE LIST OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, ADD TO IT IF WE NEED TO.
UM, AND ANOTHER BIG PIECE THAT SHE HAD A CONCERN WITH WAS THAT WE JUST DON'T, WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T HAVE FINES THAT ARE HIGH ENOUGH FOR VIOLATION.
SO WHEN WE DO HAVE A VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, THEY ONLY GET, THEY MAY HAVE A VERY MINOR CHARGE, UM, FOR VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE.
SO SHE, WHAT IS THE CHARGE? UM, SO IF WE TAKE 'EM TO COURT, THEY MIGHT GET FINED $200 THE FIRST TIME AND $500 THE NEXT TIME.
AND THEN THE JUDGE MAY, YOU KNOW, DO AN INJUNCTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE THE CONCERNS.
SHE, YOU KNOW, FELT LIKE BUSINESSES COULD AFFORD THAT.
THEY COULD JUST KEEP PAYING THOSE FINES AND, AND 'CAUSE THEY'RE MAKING MORE MONEY.
UM, UH, I, SHE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE CHESAPEAKE ORDINANCE.
MR. HORO, UM, HAD GIVEN ME THAT, I TOOK A LOOK AT THAT.
IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE YORK COUNTY ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT WRITTEN THE SAME WAY.
UM, THEY DO LAY IT OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT, IT DOES, UH, IT IS A LITTLE CLEAR HOW IT'S WRITTEN OUT.
UH, BUT THINGS THAT THEY, THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM OUR ORDINANCE THAN THEIRS IS THEY ALLOW A BUYRIGHT HAIR SALON, UH, ONE CHAIR, HAIR SALON, MONDAY TO FRIDAY, 6:00 AM TO 6:00 PM WITH ONE CUSTOMER AT A TIME.
UH, THEY DO NOT ALLOW ACCESSORY BUILDINGS TO BE USED.
SO IF YOU HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE, UH, SO THE EXAMPLE OF OUR FIREARMS GUY, HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPLY BECAUSE HIS APPLICATION WAS IN HIS DETACHED GARAGE, UM, IN CHESAPEAKE.
SO, UH, BUT, AND THEY ALSO REQUIRE SPECIAL USE FOR, FOR ANY TUTORING.
SO IF YOU DO PIANO OR MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU STILL HAVE, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME SUP PROCESS.
UM, BUT THEIR PROHIBITING LIST ADDS A LOT MORE PROHIBITED USES THAN OURS DOES.
UM, BUT I, I LOOKING AT OVERALL IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
AND THEY HAVE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS, UH, WE HAVE THAT UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARING.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON FOR YOU AS THE BOARD TO KEEP COMMENT ON.
SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA KEEP THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, DO YOU WANNA MAKE SOME MINOR CHANGES? DO YOU WANNA TAKE FORWARD THE, UM, WHAT THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED? OR DO YOU MAYBE WANNA FORM A NEW COMMITTEE THAT ANALYZES THIS
THOUGHTS? QUESTIONS? YOU'RE ASKING ME? YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I DON'T, I THINK IT, IT'S WORKED PRETTY WELL.
THE WAY IT IS, IS A LITTLE TWEAKING.
YOU WANNA DO, I I DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, EXCEPT THAT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SO STRINGENT THAT PEOPLE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, CANNOT DO WHAT THEY'D LIKE WITH THEIR OWN HOME.
SO IF THEY WANNA HAVE A BUSINESS AS, AND I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A SIGN OUT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S INVISIBLE, I THINK THAT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.
WE'VE NEVER ALLOWED SIGNS TO BE PUT OUT, UH, THAT I RECALL.
WELL, SIGNS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW WITH THE SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CAME BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WE CANNOT LOOK AT A SIGN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS SIGN READS THIS WAY.
WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THE SIGN.
EVERYBODY, EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN.
NOW IF THAT SIGN SAYS JESUS LOVES YOU OR VOTE MS. NOEL IN THE NEXT ELECTION, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE IT.
OR IT COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOY, UH, TUTORING SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A SMALLER SIGN.
IT'S NOT AS BIG AS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON 17.
ANY OF ANY OF THE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME TO US THAT THEY EVER WANTED TO SIGN? THERE'S ONLY ONE.
IT WAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND IT WAS APPROVED DURING THAT PROCESS.
UH, IT JUST SAID ENCHANTED COTTAGE.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T, I MEAN, THAT IS RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, EVERY PROPERTY IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN.
UH, WE JUST CAN'T RE SO WE CAN'T PERMIT, WE CAN'T FORBID SIGNS ANYMORE.
WE CAN'T UNLESS, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IF, WELL, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S THE CON READING THE CONTEXT OF IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, USUALLY THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WE WORK WITH THE
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APPLICANT BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU ALL DON'T LIKE TO SEE SIGNS.SO WE, WE USUALLY PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL PROHIBITING THE SIGN IN THERE.
AND MOST APPLICANTS ARE FINE WITH THAT.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SIGN NO.
THEY, THEY WANNA KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF INVIS LOOK.
UM, A COUPLE YOU'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED.
SO PARKING WAS ONE OF THE KEY POINTS FROM EARLIER.
YOU SAID THAT CANNOT BE ROAD PARKING HAS TO BE ON THE PROPERTY NOW.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT, UM, NOT THE CURRENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SET.
UM, NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ALLOWED ON SITE.
YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT WITH A TOTAL OF FOUR.
UH, IT CAN BE ONE EMPLOYEE PLUS THE OWNER PLUS TWO CUSTOMERS.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO THAT, THAT POINT IS ADDRESSED.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN ITS LAST MEETING HAD A VERY LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON ZONING ORDINANCES WAS VERY GOOD MEETING, UH, BUT IT HAD A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT WERE DESCRIBED IN THERE.
I WOULD NOT WANNA TO SEE THOSE SAME BUSINESSES ENDING UP IN HOME-BASED BUSINESS IF THEY'VE BEEN DEFINED AS BEING REQUIRED IN, UM, SOMETHING ZONE POOR BUSINESS.
SO WE NEED TO CROSS CHECK THAT LIST.
UM, MY EXAMPLE, UH, FROM JUNE OF A VAPE SHOP IN MY BACKYARD, UH, DOESN'T SHOW UP AS A, AS A, UM, RECOMMENDATION AGAINST HAVING, UH, THAT KIND OF A SHOP.
SO I THINK, I THINK, UM, I THINK WE COULD ADD THAT TO THE PROHIBITION.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE PROHIBITED LIST.
UH, I HAD HEARD, UH, UM, ONE EXAMPLE OF, UH, UM, ADULT, UM, ENTERTAINMENT.
MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEARLY SPELLED OUT AS PROHIBITED.
UH, I THINK IT'S PROHIBITED IN GENERAL ACROSS THE COUNTY, BUT WE DON'T WANT HOME-BASED BUSINESS, UH, BY RIGHT.
SETTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP.
UM, AN EXAMPLE FROM MY DAUGHTER WHOSE NEIGHBOR HAD DECIDED HE WAS GONNA BUILD A GREENHOUSE IN HIS BACKYARD, THAT SOUNDS NICE FOR GROWING PLANTS AND ALL THAT, BUT HE HAD GROW LIGHTS ON ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT.
AND THAT WAS QUITE A DISTURBANCE.
HE HAPPENED TO BE PRODUCING MARIJUANA,
SO HE HAD A, HE HAD A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OUTTA THERE AS WELL.
UM, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IS THERE, IS THERE LIMITS ON, UH, IT'S AN UNLAWFUL BUSINESS.
IT'S AN UNLAWFUL BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH THAT PARTICULAR, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A GREENHOUSE IN YOUR YARD, IS THERE LIMITS ON IT? LIGHTING THE MARIJUANA'S AN UNLAWFUL, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIGHTING ITSELF IS AN ISSUE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE A GREENHOUSE.
THE PROPERTY, IF THEY'VE GOT GROW LIGHTS ON ALL NIGHT LONG LIGHT LIGHTING ITSELF THOUGH, CAN, IT'S THE LIGHTING, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LIGHTING IS THE GREENHOUSE THAT YOU INTERESTED AND HAD THAT PROBLEM, NOT THE GREENHOUSE PER SE.
UM, HOW WOULD YOU WANT GIRL 24 7? AND THEN, AND THEN I THINK I COME BACK TO THE TUTORING AND DAYCARE DISCUSSION IN EARL AND I HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF EMAILS BACK AND FORTH ON THIS IN THE LAST MONTH.
UM, AND MY INTERPRETATION OF OF FOUR ON SITE IS FOUR PERIOD.
AND I THINK THE COUNTY'S INTERPRETATION IS IT'S FOUR AT ANY ONE TIME.
AND I DON'T AGREE WITH RUNNING SHIFTS AND HAVING FOUR OR EIGHT OR 12 OR 16 BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE LIMITED THEM TO TWO HOURS AT A TIME.
IT'S FOR FOUR PEOPLE WOULD BE MY CLEAR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CASE OF YOU HAVE FOUR IN THE MORNING AND FOUR MORE IN THE AFTERNOON.
WHY NOT? YOU'VE GOTTA SET A LIMIT SOMEWHERE.
WHY IS IS THE LIMIT 12? WE, WE'VE LIMITED IT TO FOUR, FOUR PEOPLE AT ONE TIME.
THAT FOUR IS A HOME-BASED BUSINESS GETTING AT IS.
SO YOU HAVE FOUR THAT COME FROM EIGHT TO 12, AND THEN FROM 12 TO FOUR YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER FOUR THAT COME AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER FOUR FROM FOUR TO EIGHT OR WHATEVER.
WHY DOES THAT DIFFER FROM HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU GET AND WANT IF YOU'RE GET A BEAUTY SALON SALON IN THE HOUSE? I THINK FOUR PEOPLE AT A TIME.
I THINK IF YOU'RE, UH, PUTTING THAT MANY KIDS THROUGH A DAYCARE PROGRAM, IT'S A BUSINESS AND IT BELONGS IN A BUSINESS ZONE, NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
I'M PRETTY STRONG ON THAT POINT.
YOU WANNA SET UP A, A HOMEBASED BUSINESS THAT TUTORS FOUR CHILDREN OR HAS DAYCARE FOR FOUR.
SO BE I'M COMPLETELY BEHIND THAT.
I I CAN LIVE WITH THAT, BUT I THINK AS SOON AS YOU START ROLLING IN MULTIPLES OF FOUR, UH, JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE DEFINED THE HOURS DIFFERENTLY, THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME.
THAT'S STRETCHING THE LIMIT BEYOND WHAT I THINK WE INTENDED.
HOW MANY BUSINESSES LIKE THAT DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY? SO THE ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN IN PARTICULAR TALKING ABOUT IS IN QUEENS LAKE.
IT'S A, IT'S A DAYCARE WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE
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A SH THEY HAVE TWO SHIFTS, BASICALLY.IT, IT APPEARS THIS WAY WHERE THEY HAVE AN EIGHT TO 12 AND THEN A 12 TO FOUR OR 1230 TO FOUR 30 KIND OF THING.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE PARENTS COMING IN AND OUT AT ONE TIME.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL CHILDREN'S.
'CAUSE YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR CHILDREN FOR EIGHT HOURS.
SOM FINE WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ONE IN THE PAST, WHICH OBJECT TO, OTHER THAN THAT IT'S A TRAFFIC THAT IS, IS GENERATED BY THIS.
IT'S A, IT'S A BUSINESS WHEN YOU START GOING PAST FOUR.
AND THAT BELONGS IN A BUSINESS ZONE, NOT A, NOT A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND IT'S THE TRAFFIC, IT'S THE NOISE, IT'S THE INTERRUPTION TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLAINED.
LET ME, LET ME ASK, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER THOUGH, UM, ABOUT FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT ARE DEFINED THERE.
YOU WANNA MAKE YOU SEE THERE A CROSS REFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE BUSINESSES, A HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND YOU DIDN'T WANT SEE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
IS THAT WHAT BUT THERE IS A LOT OF CROSS POLARIZATION LIKE A HAIR SALON THAT COULD BE A HOMEBASED BUSINESS OR IT COULD BE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER, RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUY, RIGHT? SO BUY SALON WOULDN'T BE A BUY, RIGHT? YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST BUY, RIGHT.
BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE OTHERS.
AND THEN IF IT'S A HAIR SALON, WELL THEN THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT CAN COME IN.
IT CAN'T BE, IT CAN'T BE THREE STOOLS AND SIX CUSTOMERS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BY RIGHT.
YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT JUST BY RIGHT.
ARE YOU GOOD? I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS ALSO.
SO YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE, THEM HAVING FOUR, THE NU FOUR PEOPLE AT A TIME? I THINK FOUR IS MATTER, RIGHT? MATTER, ROLL MATTER, NOT SPECIFIC TO THAT CASE.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE A DAYCARE AND IT'S, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
UH, GOING BACK TO THE NUMBER OF, NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE SITE ARE YEAH, I, I THINK YOU, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? I THINK THAT THE LIMIT IS, IS SET UP FOR WE'RE OKAY.
AS AS EMPLOYEES OWNER PLUS EMPLOYEES, TWO UH, TWO CUSTOMERS.
HE GAVE ONE GIVEN TIME OR EVER AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
I THINK THIS YOU COULD HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES SHIFT OUT.
FOUR MORE EMPLOYEES SHIFT OUT.
FOUR MORE EMPLOYEES SHIFT OUT.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, BE CAREFUL THE WORDING HERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL DO THIS.
WELL THAT'S HIS CONCERN AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S A CONCERN.
SO FOUR AT ONE TIME, YES, YOU CROWD, BUT I DON'T THINK FOUR AND THEN FOUR MORE AND THEN FOUR MORE.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M SAYING IF YOU LIMIT IT TO FOUR, BUT NOT AT A TIME, TWO HOUR PERIOD, YOU'RE SAYING FOUR PER DAY.
BUT NO, 'CAUSE THE CUSTOMERS MAY COME TWO AT A TIME THROUGH THE DAY.
SO THE EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE IS IF YOU HAVE A HAIR SALON, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A HAIR SALON THAT'S USED BEFORE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE ONE, YOU COULD HAVE THE PERSON WHO LIVES THERE WHO'S DOING THE HAIR AND THEY COULD HAVE THREE CUSTOMERS AT ONE TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF FOUR AT A TIME.
AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED, YOU GET THREE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN TO GET THEIR HAIR.
THEIR'S A DIFFERENT FROM, YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU'RE GONNA GET NEIGHBORS ARGUING OR COMPLAINING WHEN YOU'VE GOT THAT KIND OF CONSTANT VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
THAT'S THE ISSUE IS, IS THE ENFORCEABILITY AND THE MONITORING YOU'VE GOT, I MEAN THAT'S, I I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT, THAT BY RIGHT, YOU WOULD ALLOW THAT OR DO YOU, ARE YOU SAYING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN THAT FOUR NUMBER? BECAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF YOU, THE PERSON WHO LIVES THERE OR REQUIRES SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, THE COMMITTEE HAD PROPOSED RATHER THAN HAVING THE LIST OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU JUST CONTROL IT VIA THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE PARKING ON THE SITE.
SO IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU COULD HAVE A HAIR SALON WHERE YOU HAVE THE OWNER WHO'S GOT A CHAIR AND THEN SHE RENTS OUT A CHAIR TO ANOTHER PERSON AND THEY HAVE TWO CLIENTS AT ONE TIME, AND THAT WOULD BE THE FOUR.
OR IF YOU HAVE A CABINET MAKER WHO WOULD THEN HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD COME IN AND THEY WOULD MAKE CABINETS DURING THE DAY AND THEN GO HOME AT NIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW SOME SCENARIOS OUT SO THAT YOU KIND OF RE YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, DO YOU, YOU WANT THAT AS A BUYRIGHT PIECE OR DO YOU WANT THAT AS I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WE ONLY LIMIT THAT 10 BEHIND HOME BASED BUSINESSES.
WE WOULD DEFINE THE BUSINESSES THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT THE YOU, IT'S NOT JUST DOING, YOU'RE PAINTING THE SUPERVISORS IN A CORNER, A CORNER WITH THAT STATEMENT.
WHICH ONE? BUT YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT THIS WITH THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT HERE.
IS IS THE NUMBER FOUR THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES? NO, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
BUT DOES, BUT DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF TWO ADULTS
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AND THREE KIDS, THEY CAN NEVER HAVE A HOME BASED BUSINESS? 'CAUSE THEY'RE FIVE? NO, BECAUSE ONLY, IT WOULD ONLY BE PROBABLY ONE PERSON RUNNING THE BUSINESS AT THE HOME.SO AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO FOUR EMPLOYEES.
WHAT WOULD BE FOUR? FOUR BUSINESS, UM, ADJACENT PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THE KIDS WATCHING SPONGEBOB ON THE TV DOES NOT COUNT OF AS PART OF THE FOUR.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE THE, THE MOTHER DOING THE CRAFTS AND, AND THE, AND THE PERSON SHOWING UP TO BUY THE CRAFTS.
WELL WE'RE GONNA, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING TOO AND THE KID.
HERE'S MY, MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING.
IF SOMEBODY PUT ALL THIS WORK INTO IT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PAINT AGAIN A COMMON SENSE APPROACH, BUT YOU END UP CREATING, I THINK, TO ME, KIND OF A FRANKENSTEIN, ALRIGHT.
SO I TRY TO MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
IF A BUSINESS IS VISIBLE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERIOD.
NOW IF IT'S INVISIBLE, UM, IT DOESN'T NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
MANY OF 'EM WE DON'T KNOW ANYWAY.
AND I PERSONALLY DON'T EVEN THINK THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE.
NOW THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME YOU DID, SOMEBODY SAID, WELL I THINK WE GOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE GET $2 MILLION OFF THESE THINGS.
NO ONE'S BEEN ABLE TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, BUT I JUST FIND IT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE SITTING THERE WITH A LAPTOP IN THEIR HOUSE.
I DON'T WANNA BE HAVING MY HAND IN THEIR POCKET TAKING MONEY OUT OF THERE.
IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S HURTING US.
SO ANYWAY, YOU'RE VISIBLE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
NOW MY NUMBER ONE, MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GOT 20 PEOPLE, FIVE PEOPLE, ONE PERSON, WHATEVER.
OKAY? IT'S THE, IT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.
OKAY? IT'S THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S WHAT THEY WANT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOTHING'S CAUSING ME MORE STOMACH LINING THAN THESE KIND OF ISSUES WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A, A MASSAGE PARLOR OR SOMETHING IN THEIR HOUSE.
UM, SO IT, TO ME, IT'S GONNA BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEY COME UP AND PROPOSE WHATEVER THEY WANT.
BUT THE THING IS WHAT WE AS SUPERVISORS AND YOU GUYS AS STAFF NEED TO MAKE SURE THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT WE GET INPUT EITHER, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
I AM JUST NOT GONNA WAVE OFF THIS RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE IF YOU DO, OH MY GOSH, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THE AMOUNT OF GRIEF.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE THREE THINGS.
COMMUNITY, SOMEHOW THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA ALWAYS BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
BUT IF IT'S INVISIBLE, WHO CARES? 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE IT.
SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INVISIBLE? THEY CAN'T, THERE'S NOTHING YOU DON'T SEE IT.
THERE'S A PERSON DRIVES UP TO THEIR HOUSE, THEY GET OUT, THEY, THEY MAYBE HAVE A LAPTOP IN THEIR HOUSE OR THEY CARRY IT AROUND WITH 'EM.
AND THEY GO IN AND DO THEIR JOB, DO WHATEVER AT, IN THEIR HOUSE.
WE KNOW NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
OKAY? I JUST DON'T WANNA BE IN SOMEBODY'S HOUSE OVER THIS.
I MEAN, IF NOW, IF A DELIVERY TRUCK'S SHOWING UP BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING KNICKKNACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S VISIBILITY.
IF A SIGN'S THERE, THAT'S VISIBILITY.
IF PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP TO GET THEIR HAIR DONE, THE TEETH FIXED, WHATEVER, I DON'T CARE.
AND I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND I WANT THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S PRETTY, THIS IS SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD YOU CAN GET, OKAY.
SO I'M GONNA HIT ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID.
UM, YOU DON'T THINK THAT THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE AND, AND MAYBE WE, MAYBE THE COST FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE SHOULD BE MINIMAL, BUT REMEMBER THAT IT'S TRACKING, UH, LOCAL TAXES AS WELL, UH, ON WHAT THEY DO.
AND OF COURSE, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO BOTHER.
I'M NOT GONNA BE MERCENARY ON THE, ON THE TAXES.
WE GOT TAXES COMING IN FROM ALL DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT THIS TO ME IS IF YOU WANT TO GROW A BUSINESS, GIVE A PERSON A CHANCE.
NOW, IF THEY'RE GONNA SPEND, WELL, WELL COURSE YOU DON'T WANT THAT.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN THAT'S JUST TO ME, LET'S JUST IS ONE ANNOYANCE.
OKAY? I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN ANNOY.
HOW DOES STAFF KEEP, HOW DO WE KEEP TRACK OF, OF BUSINESSES IF WE DON'T HAVE A LICENSE, PEOPLE START COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
SO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, THEN WE FIND OUT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
THAT'S HOW WE DO MOST OF OUR CODE NOW ANYWAY, OTHERWISE, FORGET IT.
IT SHOULD BE NEIGHBORHOOD TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
I JUST, I MEAN, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, RIGHT? JUST, I DON'T, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S SOME,
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YOU GUYS COME UP WITH SOME REALLY GOOD REASON TO DO IT.LIKE WE NEED THE INCOME OR, OR YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAVING OFF TOO MUCH MONEY OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE BIG PART TO ME IN ALL THIS THING IS GOING TO BE THAT THE NEIGHBORS KNOW ABOUT IT AND GIVE AN INPUT.
THAT'S I'VE SEEN TOO MANY TIMES.
THEN THEY COME AFTER THE FACT AND THEN PEOPLE BLOW UP BECAUSE THEY JUST GET STEAMED UP OVER FINDING OUT THAT THERE'S A BUSINESS.
OR IF ONE ROLLS IN AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT, I MEAN, I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS 600 PEOPLE IN IT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WOULD THINK ALL 600 PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT THIS BUSINESS AND DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND I'M SITTING THERE GOING, HOW ARE WE GONNA SOLVE THIS? SO ANYWAY, SO DO, DO ALL BUSINESSES NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? OR YOU'RE SAYING THE ONES THAT ARE VISIBLE? SO I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS ALL THAT BUYRIGHT LIST THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WOULD BE TO ALLOW THAT.
BUT MAYBE TAKE OUT A TUTORING BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PEOPLE COMING TO THE HOME SHOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY CUSTOMER CONTACT, ANY CUSTOMER CONTACT THAT ANYTHING THAT, ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THIS WOULD, THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THIS HOUSE.
THAT WOULD NORMALLY NOT HAPPEN, EXCEPT THE FACT THEY GOT A BUSINESS WOULD REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT GETS AWAY FROM ALL THE, THE WHAT IFS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT 79% OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS WHAT, WHAT MR. SHEPHERD IS TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 80% OF THE, WELL, IT'S MORE THAN 80 BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE, THE 17% THAT ARE JUST SELLING THINGS OUT OF THEIR HOME.
AND THAT DOES, THAT DOES REQUIRE THE UPS DRIVER AND THE FEDEX DRIVER TO SHOW UP.
JUST THINK OF, JUST THINK IF YOU HAVE A GUNSMITH, I JUST, I LOVE THOSE.
I'M GONNA HAVE A ONE CUSTOMER A WEEK OR ONE.
YEAH, ONE CUSTOMER A WEEK, MAYBE A MONTH.
BUT IT'S A GUNSMITH OFFICE OF A SUDDEN, I GUARANTEE YOU THE NEIGHBORS SIT UP AND TAKE INTEREST.
ALRIGHT? AND IT BECOMES A BIG BREW.
OR IT NOT, OR SADLY, I, THIS IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS BOTHERING ME.
IF YOU HAVE A, A HOME WHERE YOU PUT, UH, SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS, REMEMBER HOW UGLY THAT GOT? OH MY GOSH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN AN ISSUE NOW ANYMORE, BUT IT WAS LIKE A BUSINESS, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT SO, I MEAN, JUST THE, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN INPUT ON WHAT GOES ON AROUND THEM.
AND I'LL, IF IT'S VISIBLE, LET 'EM SEE IT.
IF NOT, I MEAN, ESPECIALLY USE PERMIT.
SO OKAY, THEN, THEN LET'S CHEW ON THAT.
YEAH, WE GOTTA PUT SOME THOUGHT IN WHAT IS VISIBLE, WHAT IS INVISIBLE AT, AT A HIGH LEVEL.
IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER AND YOU SPEND ALL DAY LONG IN YOUR LITTLE ROOM BANGING ON YOUR KEYBOARD WRITING JAVA CODE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE, UM, IF YOU'RE A GRAPHIC ARTIST PRODUCING PHYSICAL MATERIAL, YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING MATERIAL SHIPPED INTO YOU STUFF TO USE.
YOU MAY NOT EVEN WOULD, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BECOME VISIBLE THEN.
'CAUSE YOU GOT PEOPLE, A LOT OF TRUCKS SHOWING UP.
BUT YOU, YOU'RE GETTING, SOMEBODY'S DELIVERING YOU MATERIAL TO WORK WITH AND YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE SHIPPING IT OUT.
I SAW THIS HAPPEN IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA, UH, IN A REAL NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS PERSON ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN ACROSS FROM US ON THE RIGHT, HAD A BUSINESS AND THEY WERE SHIPPING THESE LITTLE DOODADS.
THEY MADE, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER THE DO DADS WERE, BUT IT KIND OF GLASS DOODADS AND THIS EVERY DAY, MAN, YOU GET TWO OR THREE TIMES YOU'D GET A UPS TRUCK GOING DOWN THERE.
AND IT GOT, IT GOT NOTICED AND PEOPLE STARTED GOING LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THE UPS THERE'S KIDS IN THE STREET AND WHATEVER.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, IT'S JUST, TO ME IT'S PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO SAY WHAT GOES ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I I, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU CONCEPTUALLY, JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT.
I MEAN, LIKE UUPS TRUCKS AND FEDEX TRUCKS AND AMAZON TRUCKS.
AND YOU'LL STILL SEE A TON OF, TON OF THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT, AND WE MIGHT JUST, WE MIGHT JUST DISREGARD THE DELIVERY.
SO BECAUSE MY WIFE BUYS US SO MUCH STUFF, YOU'D THINK I'D HAVE A BUSINESS GOING ON.
BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT MIGHT BE THAT MIGHT JUST BE A POOR EXAMPLE.
BUT IF YOU GOT CUSTOMERS SHOWING UP, YOU PUT A SIGN IN YOUR YARD.
SIGN IN YOUR YARD, WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR NOT, THAT'S YOU'RE SHOWING, YOU'RE SHOWING A BUSINESS.
I GOT YOUR CAR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THAT KIND OF GETS TO ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHOLE, HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT IS BUY, RIGHT? WHAT NEEDS SPECIAL USE PERMIT? SO PART OF THAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED WITH THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND THEN GOING BACK TO WHAT MR. SHEPHERD'S SAYING, IF IT'S INVISIBLE, IF YOU, THAT SOFTWARE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT AND YOU TAKE CLIENTS OVER THE PHONE AND WHO, WHY WOULD ANYBODY CARES? IT WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.
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TO GET THAT DOWN ON PAPER AND SEE WHAT THEIR REAL DEFINITION LOOKS LIKE.UM, LET, LET'S, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT PARKING.
UM, I MEAN, I, I LIKE WHAT WE'VE CAPTURED HERE.
HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE ROADS.
AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PARK ON THE YEAH.
BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PARK ON THE ROAD, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THIS SAYS, WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PARK ON THAT ROAD.
AND HOW DO WE THEN, HOW DO WE EN ENFORCE THAT STANDARD? THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, WE FELT BECAUSE WE HAD IT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT
I'M ASKING THIS HIS POINT, BECAUSE IT CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS, THAT'S, AND THAT'S A CONCERN, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND THEY HAVE THREE CARS UNDER THE RULE, YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL CAR AND THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE PARKED ON THE THING.
YOU, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PULL YOUR CARS OUT, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT THE INTENTION WAS YOU COULDN'T PULL YOUR THREE CARS OUT AND PARK 'EM IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN FREE UP YOUR OTHER THREE SPOTS FOR PEOPLE TO, BUT THE ANSWER TO THIS, THE ANSWER IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
OUR CODE, WHATEVER WE CREATE, OUR CODE SAYS YOU WILL HAVE SPACES FOR ONSITE PARKING.
WELL, YOU WANNA GO PARK IN THE STREET, GREAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY TO BUILD A PARKING SPOT FOR THAT THIRD CAR,
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DO.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PARK IT OUT IN THE STREET ALL DAY LONG.
I HAVE THIS, GEE, YOU CAN, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS DO THIS WHERE YOU CAN'T PUT THIS BOAT OUT THERE IN THE STREET.
YOU CAN'T PUT THIS, THEY DON'T OWN THE STREET.
AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH US.
SO THE POINT IS, OUR CODE SAYS IF YOU WANT THIS BUSINESS, THEN YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP.
YOU WILL BUILD AN ONSITE PARKING SPACE FOR THESE FOLKS.
WHETHER YOU WANT TO PARK IN THE STREET, THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU GUYS.
BUT, BUT TO HIS POINT, SAY, SAY THE REQUIREMENT IS YOU NEED FOUR PARKING SPACES.
SO YOU, SO, AND YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT ACCOMMODATE FOUR PARKING SPACES, IT'LL ACCOMMODATE IT.
YOU GOT HIS CAR, HER CAR, AND EACH KID HAS A CAR.
ALRIGHT? SO NOW, BUT ACCOMMODATE CUSTOMERS.
WELL, I'LL JUST PARK MY, MY THREE CARS ON THE STREET, AND NOW I HAVE THREE SPACES OPEN UP, RIGHT? BUT, BUT NOW, NOW WE'RE JAMMING THE STREET UP WITH CARS.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE CLUTTER CONTROL THE STREETS, BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT IF IT'S, IF IT'S OTHERWISE PERMITTED PARKING.
WELL, WE HAD TO GO TO THE STATE AND GET A, GET AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO, WELL, THAT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION.
HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? AND CAN WE ENFORCE IT AS A ZONE OF VIOLATION OF SAY, HEY, LISTEN, YOU AGREED TO THIS.
RIGHT? UM, THAT WAS HOW WE WERE GONNA TACKLE IT AS THEY, YOU KNOW, WE SPECIFICALLY SAID, ANY DEMAND FOR PARKING, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL USE, HAD TO BE SUITABLY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND SO IF WE WERE SEEING WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HAPPENING, WE WOULD SEND THEM A ZONING VIOLATION THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT YOU ARE PARKING YOUR RESIDENTIAL CARS ON THE PARK ON THE STREET WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL OF YOUR PARKING ON.
YOU KNOW WHAT AUTHORITY? I I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT WOULD BE THAT ZONING VIOLATION.
SO WELL, SO, SO, SO WE CAN'T, WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS SAY, YEAH, YOU CAN'T WALK ON THE STREET, BUT WE CAN SAY UNDER THE TERMS OF YOUR, OF YOUR, OF YOUR PERMIT, RIGHT? SINCE YOU'RE VIOLATING WHAT DETERMINES OF REMIT WE'RE, WE'RE PULLING YOUR, YOUR PERMIT, WE'RE VIOLATING YOU FOR THE, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE YOU'RE VIOLATING THE ZONING ORDINANCE BY NOT PROVIDING ADEQUATE PARKING.
AND YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE PARKING IN THE CUL-DE-SAC INSTEAD OF IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS, WITH ANY OF THESE THINGS, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A ENFORCEMENT AND PROOF PROBLEM.
I GO INTO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, YOU SAID IF, OKAY, SO THE FAMILY OF FOUR HAS, AND ALL OF 'EM HAVE CARS AND THE DRIVEWAY WILL HANDLE FAMILY OF FOUR.
BUT YOU GOT THESE THINGS IN OUR ORDINANCE SHOULD BE IN ADDITION TO, IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER THE FAMILY HAS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE MEAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAID IN THE ORDINANCE.
OKAY? SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA END UP BUILDING THIS EXTRA PARKING LOT.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE FOR YOU.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA OPEN, HAVE, HAVE A BUSINESS IN THEIR HOUSE, HAVE THEIR HOME BECAUSE THEY WOULD APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE? SEE, IF THEY DON'T APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE, WAIT, TOM WANTS TO DO AWAY WITH BUSINESS LICENSE, DO THAT.
SO CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BUSINESS? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING PRINCIPLE AND IN, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
HEY, I DO THINK THERE'S A REASON TO KEEP THE BUSINESS LICENSE, SO I WOULDN'T ENTERTAIN THAT.
THERE, THERE ARE LOTS OF COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
MARGARET POINTED OUT ONE ABOUT CHILDCARE THAT SHE, SHE OVERSEES CHILDCARE.
SO WHAT ABOUT, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR SOMEONE WHO'S RUNNING A CATERING BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR GARAGE, UM, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO BE A BARBER OR BE SHOP OWNER.
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OTHER GOVERNMENT COMPLIANCE ISSUES WITH THEM.AND IF WE ARE NOT TRACKING WHO'S THERE, WE LOSE A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE TO KNOW WHO'S IN OUR COMMUNITY DOING WHAT.
I THINK IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I THINK CHRISTIE AND DARREN WOULD SUPPORT THAT AND, AND OUR OUTREACH FOR ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT TO THOSE BUSINESSES WHEN THEY APPLY, RIGHT? THAT PUTS THEM ON OUR RADAR, WHICH THEN WE CAN SEND THEM INFORMATION TO SAY, HEY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO GROW YOUR BUSINESS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THOSE ARE ALL PIECES FOR HELPING.
I'LL GO WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
I'M JUST TRYING, BUT THANK YOU.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TREK.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CONTINUING WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE ANY IT EASIER TO, EASIER TO GET.
AND I'VE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE ABOUT THAT.
AND I'LL ALSO TALK TO HER ABOUT, LISTEN, YOU, YOU GOT SOME POOR HOME-BASED.
THIS THE PROGRAMMER RIGHT NOW THAT POOR PROGRAMMER, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR IT, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY GET WILL LIST YOUR, LIST, YOUR BUSINESS ASSETS.
WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? SO MY LAPTOP, THE, THE MOUSE PENCIL.
MY, MY GLASSES THE CHAIR I'M SITTING IN.
IT IS IT, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S PAINFUL.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN WE TAX BASED UPON ALL THAT, CAN WE MAKE THAT SIMPLER? CAN WE, CAN WE WAIVE THAT? CAN WE JUST SAY, HEY, LISTEN, JUST PAY A FLAT $25 A YEAR FEE OR SOMETHING.
IF, IF THE STATE SAYS WE HAVE TO.
SO SHE'S LOOKING AT THAT FOR US TOO.
I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE.
UM, THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT WE CAN, WE, THERE'S WAYS WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER IF, IF THE STATE CODE ALLOWS.
THERE'S ONE MORE POINT I THINK THAT WE CAN'T, UH, OVERLOOK.
ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT OUR MILITARY'S HAVING RIGHT NOW IS DAYCARE.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY EXCEEDING DAYCARE IS TERRIBLE CAPABILITY.
I MEAN, WE JUST PHYSICALLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE.
SO THESE HOME DAYCARE BUSINESSES ARE, ARE ACTUALLY VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, THE, UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL HEAR THIS IN THESE MEETINGS WITH, UH, THE ADMIRALS AND THE COLONELS THAT, THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THEIR CER, THEIR PERSONNEL AND SUPPORT IS THAT THEY NEED MORE CHILDCARE CAPABILITY.
SO, UM, NOW MY CONCERN IS THE QUALITY OF FED CHILDCARE.
ALRIGHT? COME IN AND TAKE A KID STRAPPING 'EM IN THE STRAPPING 'EM IN A, IN A, A CAR SEAT FOR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT HOURS IS TO ME IS NOT CHILDCARE.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO, BUT WE NEED TO, MAY ABLE TO NOT MAKE IT HARD FOR OUR, OUR MILITARY FOLKS TO GET CHILD CARE.
SO THAT'S SOME SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN HANDLE THAT KIND OF BUSINESS AND SUPPORT IT.
ALRIGHT, LAST THING I WANT TO COVER.
THE, THE PROHIBITED OCCUPATIONS.
UM, LOOK A COUPLE, I, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND SMALL ENGINE, WELL ACTUALLY KIND OF SMALL ENGINE AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR AND, UM, AUTOMOTIVE, I GET WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN RUNNING MAN.
LAKE CAIR, UM, QUEENS LAKE, THOSE, THOSE SUBDIVISIONS.
IT'S JUST, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE FOOTPRINT TO DO IT WITHOUT IMPACT EVERYBODY.
BUT YOU GOT FIVE ACRES OF LAND AND A LONG LANE THAT GOES AND YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY TREES.
NOBODY CAN SEE YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU GOT A GARAGE BACK THERE.
WHY CAN'T THAT GUY WORK, WORK ON A LAWN MOWER? YOU CAN MAKE THAT CASE EXAMPLE FOR A, FOR A LOT OF, I THINK, BUT I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
QUESTION CAN, CAN THAT BE ADDRESSED OR A SPECIAL USE? I MEAN, SOMEBODY SAY, HEY LISTEN, I YEAH, WE CAN PUSH IT INTO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CATEGORY.
IF YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE A USE THAT COULD COME FORWARD IN THAT WAY.
I, I THINK THAT THAT GOES BACK TO WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO, TO SERVE, SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
WE OUGHT BE ABLE TO BRING THAT PEOPLE OUGHT BE ABLE TO BRING PETITION TO BOARD FOR SAY, HEY, LISTEN, I GOT A SPECIAL CASE WHERE I THINK IT'S OKAY.
CAN YOU, WILL YOU PLEASE CONSIDER IT? SO, YEAH, I, I, YEAH.
UM, BUT WE REMOVE GIFT SHOPS FROM THE PROHIBITED WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAD SUGGESTED.
SO, BUT THE GIFT SHOP MEANS YOU, YOU, YOU GOT RETAIL PEOPLE GOING, PEOPLE ACT BETWEEN LIKE A RETAIL BUSINESS.
AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC PEOPLE COMING AND STOPPING BROWSING YOUR STUFF.
I DON'T, I MEAN, USUALLY IS A, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.
WHAT SO WHAT, YEAH, WHAT IS, SO THAT TO ME, A GIFT SHOP IS, SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAVE A GIFT SHOP? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENT, WHAT DO Y'ALL CONSIDER A GIFT SHOP THEN? RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE JUST AS YOU DESCRIBED, YOU WOULD HAVE A RETAIL TYPE ESTABLISHMENT WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME AND, AND REGULAR BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE A REGULAR BUSINESS.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD GET IT'S FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT AS A HOME OCCUPATION, IT'S NOT, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE COMMITTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE ONEROUS BECAUSE MOST HOME OCCUPATIONS AREN'T DOING THAT MUCH BUSINESS WHERE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE CIRCULATING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME.
THAT SHOULD SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT SHOULD GET MOVED TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
'CAUSE SOME COMMUNITIES WOULD NOT WANT, THAT'S A NO GO.
'CAUSE THEN, THEN YOU JUST HAVE A FEDERAL YARD SALE.
BASICALLY WE GO OVER TO, UM, BUT, BUT OTHER PLACES GO THE STORE OVER HERE.
GO TO SHARON'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GIFT SHOP HERE
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IN HERE, I'M GONNA FIGURE OUT WHERE I WASBUT THE DOWNSTAIRS, THE GALLERY HERE DOWNSTAIRS, THE GALLERY THE SAME RIGHT THERE.
A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE, THEY HAVE THEIR HOME, THEIR HOME BUSINESS.
AND THEN AND THEY AND THEY SELL 'EM HERE.
AND YOU ALSO SELL 'EM AT THEIR HOUSE.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A GIFT SHOP TYPE THING.
SO I MEAN, YOU EVER SEE THE ONE, THE TRAY WITH A LITTLE, IT LOOKS LIKE A LEAF.
IT'S GOT THE LITTLE THING ON IT, UH, THE TAIL OF IT.
AND YOU CAN USE IT, PICK IT UP.
THE PERSON MAKES THOSE, THEY HAVE A, THE KIL 'EM AND EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S ON THE PUBLIC ON, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY SELL 'EM FROM THEIR HOUSE SOMETIMES, WHICH ONLY, WHICH IS A KEY IS SELL FROM US.
BUT HAVING PEOPLE STOP BY EVERY DAY TO BROWSE YOUR GOODS, THEY GO EVERY DAY.
IT'S JUST, THEY GET A FEW FOLKS, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND, AND, BUT THEN THAT COMES THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE CAN, WE CAN START TO FIND AND LISTEN, YOU GET SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
WE, BASED UPON FEEDBACK FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT SWEET SPOT.
SO, SO WHAT'D YOU SAY IS YOU WANNA MAKE THIS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? SO WE CAN SAY A AND A.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE CASES WE, WE WON'T BE OKAY WITH IT.
A LOT OF CASES WE'RE PROBABLY NOT.
BUT YOU COULD MAKE IT WHERE ANY BUSINESS, ANY KIND BUSINESS YOU WANT TO DO, YOU CAN TRY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA TAKE A CHANCE, INVEST THE MONEY AND THEN SEE IF, IF WE'RE GONNA PASS IT.
I MEAN COME IN HERE AND YOU WANT TO DO A AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, SHADE, TREE MECHANIC KIND OF OPERATION.
AND YOU SAY, OKAY, I WANT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO THAT.
RIGHT? AND WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER IT'S FIVE ACRES OR 10 ACRES.
IF IT'S BACK IN THE WOODS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SHOW, SEND ME WHAT YOU GOT OR YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO DO.
YOU WANNA DO CUSTOM, YOU KNOW, STEREO FURNITURE, MAKE CHAIRS.
I MEAN WILLIAMSBURG PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS OUT IN WILLIAMSBURG THAT HAVE A LITTLE HOME BUSINESS MAKING CHAIRS.
RIGHT? OR YOU CAN 3, 2, 3 D PRINT FORM AND IT'S JUST PRINTS OUT PRODUCT ALL DAY LONG AND YOU NEVER KNOW BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND A CLOSED DOOR.
SO I THINK SEPTEMBER 17TH IS THE DATE WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS BACK.
IT'LL COME FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I JUST WANT ONE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I KNOW MR. ROY IS SAYING SOMETHING I THINK IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE THREE OF YOU WERE SAYING, WHICH IS THAT HE WOULD BE OKAY WITH HAVING THE UP TO FOUR PEOPLE IN PRESENT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU COULD HAVE THE HAIR SALON OWNER AND THREE CUSTOMERS AT ONE TIME, RIGHT.
NO, THAT HAS, SO THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE FOR THEM.
A SITUATION FOR THE, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE OTHER THREE SUPERVISORS, THAT'S, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE DIRECTION WISE, I DON'T WANNA OUTVOTE MR. ROY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BRING BACK WHICHEVER I CAN BRING BACK TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND YOU CAN, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT TOM HAS ALREADY COVERED.
AND I THINK WITHIN THE, WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINTS, A LIMIT OF FOUR PEOPLE ON SITE, THAT'S WHAT IT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
BUT WELL, THERE, THERE ARE TWO DIFF TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE THE FOUR PEOPLE ON SITE WITH A HAIR SALON.
OR YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL TEAM OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS THAT THEY JUST SHOW UP AND RIGHT.
THEY, THEY GET A LITTLE SCRUM TEAM MAKERS IN THE GARAGE AND YOU NEVER SEE THEM.
SO DOUG, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, YOU, ARE YOU REALLY FOUR PEOPLE? FOUR PEOPLE.
THE HOMEOWNER AND, AND THREE CHILDREN THAT SHE'S WATCHING? YOU GOTTA SETTLE SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN THE FOUR FOUR, YOU GET FOUR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, EVEN CUSTOMERS STACK IT UP IN LINE IS, IS, I MEAN, I WANT COMING HERE AT THIS HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GOT ONE PERSON IN THERE, YOU GOT ONE PERSON CUTTING HAIR AND THE NEXT CUSTOMER DOESN'T SHOW UP TILL THAT CUSTOMER'S GONE.
OKAY? THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S, IT'S DONE.
I MEAN, FOUR PEOPLE IN A HOUSE OPERATING A BUSINESS IS, I MEAN WE WANT DO THAT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE A SPECIAL USE FOR GO BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
RIGHT? LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO COME BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, I THINK TOM, I LIMIT THE TWO SAID, WHICH WAS IT SHOULDN'T BE VISIBLE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO AGREE.
I THINK THE NEIGHBOR CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO, OKAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME BUSINESSES THAT I THINK YOU COULD ACCEPT FOR.
BUT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT AND A LEGAL STANDPOINT, YOU NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR AS TO WHAT YOU MEAN BY VISIBLE VERSUS NOT VISIBLE.
BECAUSE, UH, YOU PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHETHER THEY CONDUCT IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED.
AND THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHETHER THEY'D BE APPLIED.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF, IF YOUR STANDARD IS JUST VISIBILITY, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE, THE MOST REALISTIC ONE IS ANY CUSTOMER CONTACT.
AND I THINK OURS, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE HANDLES IT VERY WELL.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'LL PROBABLY DO IS JUST STICK WITH OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE AND TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND ADD IN MM-HMM.
MAYBE REMOVE THE TUTORING PIECE AND
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PUT THAT IN TO A SPECIAL USE, PREVENT REQUIREMENT MOVING FORWARD, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.AND THEN CLARIFY THE PARKING PIECES.
SO IT, I'LL TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE TO GET IT TO YOU BY YOUR SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND YOU, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU, UNLESS YOU WANT TO, UM, BUT I'LL TRY TO GET YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MAYBE LOOK AT BEFOREHAND BEFORE WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PART OF IT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT, SO WE'RE, TONIGHT, WE GOT OUR PUBLIC HEARING AT LATER OF THE MONTH, FIRST TUESDAY IN SEPTEMBER IS GONNA BE OUR NEXT WORK SESSION.
AND THEN BOOM 17TH IS WHEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED.
SO DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE ALL THE INPUT HERE CAPTURE.
SO WE CAN COVER IT IN THE WORK SESSION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T WANNA WALK IN THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND GO, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO? SO, RIGHT.
LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S ON THERE SO WE GET THE TERMINOLOGY RIGHT.
SO NOW WE'RE, WE WHAT DOWN TO SEND DOWN, WE MOVE THIS TO THE 17TH.
WHAT, WHAT DID WE SAY? WE, WE, UM, TABLED YOU TABLED YOU TABLED IT.
NOW IF YOU'RE NOT READY TO ACT ON THE 17TH, YOU COULD STILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 17TH.
AND THEN YOU COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD GET UP AND SPEAK AND THEN YOU COULD JUST TABLE IT AGAIN TO WHEREVER, WHATEVER MEETING YOU WANTED TO.
SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT MEETING.
YEAH, I DON'T WANNA FORCE YOU JUST HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T WANT SQUARE P GROUND HOLD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ON THE 17TH, SO.
AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT THE HOUSEKEEPING AMENDMENTS COMING IN TOO.
SO IF WE HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING IT BACK, I MEAN, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF YOU AS THE BOARD TAKING ACTION.
IT'S SIMILAR TO DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S SIMILAR TO THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING.
AND THERE'S NO HARD AND FAST, BUT THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
I DO WANNA PUT THIS TO BED, BUT I WANT TO, I WANNA DO IT RIGHT TOO.
AND THERE WILL BE AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH CHANGES.
AND YOU'RE GONNA, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT HIS LANGUAGE IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE SO WE CAN ADVERTISE IT, MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
PEOPLE CAN COME AND TALK AND THEN YOU ALL CAN EITHER VOTE ON IT OR NOT VOTE ON IT, OR CONTINUE IT MAKE, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE CHANGES.
BUT I THINK YEP, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I, YOUR GUIDANCE IS YOU WANT THEM TO TELL YOU SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE LANGUAGE SO IT CAN BE ADVERTISED AND RIGHT.
AND WE'LL KNOW IT, WE'LL KNOW BETTER THAN THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I'M GONNA WORK HARD TO GET THAT ORDINANCE TO, AND THEY'LL GIVE US ENOUGH TIME WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION TO OKAY.
LET MS. SHOT TELL YOU, SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD NO.
SO TO HAVE IT ON YOUR SEPTEMBER 17TH, UH, AGENDA FOR BOS FOR PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE TO HAVE THAT TWO MONDAYS BEFORE THAT.
SO THAT IS THE CONSTRAINT WITH THAT.
SO THAT IS THE RUNNING OF THAT AD.
TWO MONDAYS BEFORE THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST RUNNING OF THAT.
WHICH WOULD BE THE DAY BEFORE YOUR WORK SESSION.
PLAN ON IT, RUN IT, PLAN AND ADVERTISE IT.
AND WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE SEVENTH.
I'M GONNA SAY THIS, I KEEP SAYING THE 17TH.
I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND OR THIRD TUESDAY.
UM, THE EXISTING ADVERTISEMENT PROBABLY WON'T CHANGE TOO MUCH.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOMORROW, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE TOO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE NEW REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF WE CAN, I THINK WE'LL BE OKAY.
WE CAN ALWAYS LEAVE THAT MEETING WITH THE DECISION TO TABLE IT FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
NOW WE'LL KNOW BETTER PROBABLY WE'LL HAVE A PROBABLY BETTER FEEL FOR WHERE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT, OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE? I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THIS DISCUSSION, WE AS STAFF REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD AND IT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM CITIZENS AND, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST THINK IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT HAS COMMENTS TO PLEASE LET US KNOW.
I I THINK YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE WOULD GO BACK TO MR. HILL WAS SAYING MEANINGFUL DEFINITION OF VISIBLE VERSUS NOT VISIBLE.
THAT IT'S CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR BIGGEST TAKEAWAY, I THINK NOW IN THE NEXT FOUR SESSION.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE ARE READY TO MOVE
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INTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR FOR MY SCRIPT CORRECTLY HERE.SO WE HAVE, RIGHT, SO WE HAVE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE IS GAS RODENT WOOD DESTROYING INSECT CONTROL SERVICES.
UH, NUMBER SIX, REQUEST FOR REFUND OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
NUMBER SEVEN IS, UH, BUSINESS TAX LICENSE REFUND.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT, ANOTHER, UM, REFLEX REFUND OF, UH, BUSINESS TANGIBLE PROPERTY TAX.
UH, NUMBER NINE IS BANK CARD PROCESSING SERVICES.
AND NUMBER 10 IS REQUEST FUNDED SUPPORT FROM QUEENS LAKE, DR.
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MEN LANGUAGE.SO ANYBODY HAVE NUMBER 1 1 11 11? WHICH ONE ARE WE DOING? DESIGN BUILD? I DON'T HAVE DOC MASTER THAT.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU WANTED? PULL? YEAH, LET'S, GOOD.
I MEAN IT WASN'T ON THE SCRIPT, THAT'S WHY, BUT IT'S IN THE, IT IS IN THE AGENDA, SO.
I'LL MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR ABSENT NUMBER 11.
DO YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT SEPARATELY OR YOU WANNA JUST TALK ABOUT IT? 11.
YEAH, 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT FORWARD AND HAVE YOU WANNA DISCUSS IT.
AND JUST ADVISE THE PUBLIC WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO YOU WANT, YOU WANT A DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR SEPARATE VOTE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. HOLROYD, I'D ASK MR. WILLIAMS TO COME UP HERE WITH US.
HE'S PROBABLY THE BEST HISTORIAN WE HAVE ON THIS SINCE WE'VE TAKEN A FEW SHOTS AT THIS.
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY AND, AND I'LL, IT'S MORE OF A RECENT BRIEF HISTORY STARTING BACK IN MAY OF 2023.
UM, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, AS YOU MAY KNOW, UM, WE SET OUT LATE 2017, EARLY 2018 TO THERE TIME IT REAL QUICK, JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT PROCESSED RIGHT.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR MOVED BEFORE WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION? 'CAUSE 'CAUSE MR. ELEMENTARY, MR. MR. MOVED IT.
SO THERE'S A, YOU START TO, THERE'S TWO ISSUES.
ONE, ONE OF THE, I BELIEVE 24 DASH R 24 DASH ONE 30 IS ACTUALLY HAS TO BE AN R BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHANGE TO IT BECAUSE WE HAD R HERE BUT NOT ON HERE.
SO R 24 DASH ONE 30 R IS THE, IS THE CORRECT ONE THAT'S BEING MOVED AND IT JUST, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS I BELIEVE IT, IT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF THE REFUND BECAUSE IT ADDS BACK IN SOME INTEREST THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED.
DOES R 24 DASH 1 22 AL ALSO NEED AN R? YES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? ALRIGHT, SO NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER 10.
NUMBER 10 A ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, REVISED.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THEY WERE REVISED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED.
THERE ARE AT YOUR SEATS TONIGHT AND WE ARE GONNA, UH, THE PAPER MOVE IT AS AMENDED.
THE PAPER COPIES HAVE THEIR, OKAY.
SO BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE'RE DONE, LET'S, LET'S QUICKLY TALK ABOUT WHAT THE REVISION IS GOING BACK.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION THOUGH, DO WE NEED TO MOVE, DO WE NEED TO MOVE THE CONSENT COUNTER THAT MS NO WAS TALKING TO? IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, YOU SHOULD MOVE IT AND INCORPORATE THE TWO R RESOLUTIONS.
CAN SOMEBODY SPEAK TO THE, WHAT THE REVISIONS ARE? SO R 24 DASH ONE 30 R, IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY HIGHER AMOUNT BECAUSE OF ANY, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITION OF INTEREST.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE TWO EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
WELL IT'S STARTING, IT'S STARTING GETTING REAL MONEY NOW.
SO, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THE REFUND HAS TO BE PAID, IT HAD INTEREST.
INTEREST HAS TO BE PAID WITH THE REFUND.
SO HOSPITAL, THIS WAS MISSING THE, THIS WAS MISSING THE INTEREST.
THE, THE CORRECT, THE ONE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN HERE.
THE ONE THAT'S THE R INCLUDES THE INTEREST.
WHAT WAS NUMBER TWO THAT WAS DONE AT THE REQUEST THAT THE TREASURER AND THE OTHER ONE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD'VE TO SPEAK? UM, IT WAS, IT WAS THE FINAL PAGE NUMBER THREE.
THE BOARD APPEALS TO US CONGRESSMAN? UH, NO THAT OKAY.
IT SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT MR. MR WHITMAN.
IT, IT JUST, IT WAS JUST TALKING.
IT WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO NOW WE UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE IS ARISES.
WERE, UM, ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GET IN.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'LL JUST GO RIGHT INTO WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH MR. WILLIAMS WITH THE, TALKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO COVER THAT'S FINE.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY, SIR.
I DO NOT NEED THE HISTORY, JUST WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING TODAY IS, UH, THE AWARD OF A CONTRACT TO CONSTRUCT A DOCK MASTER BUILDING TO REPLACE THE OLD DILAPIDATED STRUCTURES WHICH CONSTITUTE THE EXISTING BATHROOMS, WHICH ARE DETERIORATING ON MULTIPLE LEVELS AND ARE NOT ALL WEATHER AND ARE NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, GETTING RID OF THE EXISTING DOCK MASTER SPACE, WHICH COMPRISES APPROXIMATELY THREE 50 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE TO PERFORM MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS SUCH AS THE DOCK MASTER OPERATIONS, PARKING AMBASSADORS, EVENT SUPPORT STAFF, FREIGHT SHUT SUPPORT STAFF,
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AND ANY OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, OPERATION STAFF THAT OPERATES OUT AT THE WATERFRONT.SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GONNA DEMOLISH THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, CONSTRUCT A SINGLE STORY BUILDING, UH, WITH AN APPROVED, UH, DESIGN THAT WAS RUN THROUGH THE PUBLIC, THROUGH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND, AND PUT UP THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.
AND THAT'S GONNA HOUSE A DA ACCESSIBLE BATHROOMS, A SINGULAR DOCK MASTER OFFICE AND A GUEST SERVICES SPACE.
AND OF COURSE THE SUPPORT SPACES FOR THE BUILDING WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAD SET.
WELL, TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S A BUDGET THAT WAS FUNDED OVER MULTIPLE YEARS.
SO IN TOTAL, THE MONEY IS ALL THERE TO DO THE WORK.
IT, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN ONE SINGLE TRANSACTION.
THERE WAS SOME MONEY PUT ASIDE IN ONE YEAR, SOME MONEY PUT ASIDE IN ANOTHER YEAR.
BUT THE TOTAL, THE CIP APPROVED THROUGH THE CIP, THE TOTAL IS WITHIN THE AMOUNT WE HAD TO SPEND.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND THAT AND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, IS THAT THE DOOR PRICE, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE DEMOLISH DEMOLITION CONSTRUCTION IS, YES, SIR.
SO WELL, WELL THAT'S, SHALL WE GO BACK TO, SHALL WE GO BACK TO THE CAS CONSENT CALENDAR THEN IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED? WELL, REAL QUICK SCHEDULE.
SO, UM, IF IT'S APPROVED THIS EVENING, WE'RE GONNA LOOK TO MOVE AT LIGHTING PACE AND TRY TO GET DEMOLITION STARTED THE WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY IF POSSIBLE.
AND, AND THEN SO WHILE WE DO THAT TO, TO HAVE AS LITTLE IMPACT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN SOME OF OUR REALLY BIG, UH, 250TH ANNIVERSARY EVENTS PLUS SUMMERTIME, SUMMERTIME'S A BIG I UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS OFF SEASON.
MR. TREMAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION WAS 75,000 792 27, REVISED WITH THE ADDITION OF THE INTEREST AT THE REQUEST OF THE TREASURER WAS 83,000 832 32.
AND AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THE INTEREST THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS INTEREST THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE CALENDAR? NO.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, CONSENT CALENDAR? ALRIGHT.
PASS THE CONSENT CALENDAR PLEASE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, IN A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO IMPROVE CONSENT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
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OPEN DISCUSSION.YOU WANNA LEAVE US OFF?
I HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING TOO MUCH.
MR. ANDERSON SAID WE DID A GOOD JOB.
YEAH, I, I HAD A MEETING, UM, WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PTA, UH, BECAUSE I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PTA IS ALL ABOUT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I, YOU KNOW, AND IT, YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, THE BIG CONCERN IS ALWAYS WITH ME IS THE, UH, QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT WE ARE GETTING HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
WE ARE, WE ARE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE STATE, IN FACT, THROUGHOUT THE NATION FOR THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND I, I'VE BRIEF OFTEN IN THE PAST I REFERRED TO OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM AS THE FRANCHISE PLAYER FOR YOUR COUNTY.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, THE QUALITY OF THE EDUCATION.
WHAT WE HAVE IS A, UM, UH, WE HAVE A LARGE, A LARGER NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY OF, OF ALL MEANS, IF YOU WILL, PARTICULARLY THE MILITARY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GUIDED INTO THE COUNTY.
UM, AND UM, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT IF THEY LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO OR SAN, EXCUSE ME, SAN DIEGO, AND THEY'RE COMING OVER HERE, EVEN THEY'LL BE STATIONED IN NORFOLK.
THEY WILL ACTUALLY COME LIVE IN YORK COUNTY.
THEY'D MAKE SURE THEIR KIDS CAN GO TO YORK COUNTY SCHOOLS.
UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY THAT ARE NOT MILITARY THAT WANT TO LIVE HERE OR WANT TO HAVE THEIR KIDS SCHOOL.
THEY WILL PAY THE MONEY TO COME IN HERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE FOUND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT WE ARE ALLOWING OUR TEACHERS TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN AND THEY GOTTA TRANSPORT 'EM IN HERE, BUT OUR TEACHERS CAN BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S A BENEFIT, THAT'S A BENEFIT FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S DEFINITELY A BENEFIT FOR THE KIDS.
AND UH, I THINK IT'S JUST VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS HAVING A, THE PTA WHERE IT DEALS WITH, THEY REALLY
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UP REAL UP CLOSE WITH THE PARENTS AND THE KIDS AND THE SCHOOLS.AND, UH, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AT THE, I DON'T HAVE ALL, IN FACT IT WOULD BE WAY MORE THAN I COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU, AND I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ALL THE NUMBERS, BUT OUR, OUR PTA HERE, I THINK THEY RAISED THEIR INDIVIDUAL A UNIT, BUT TOGETHER THEY RAISED ABOUT $500,000 FOR OUR SCHOOLS.
AND, AND I'M GOING LIKE, WELL, WHEN YOU GET THIS KIND OF MONEY, WHAT DO YOU SPEND IT ON? AND I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR THIS, THAT OUR SCHOOLS, ALMOST ALL OUR SCHOOLS ARE 50 YEARS OLD NOW.
RIGHT? WELL, NOT ALL THE PLUGS WORK ANYMORE IN THE WALLS.
'CAUSE THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TEARING 'EM, WE HAVEN'T TORN 'EM UP.
AND UH, AND UH, I MEAN IF YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT, TO REPLACE A HIGH SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 150 MILLION TO $175 MILLION.
AND EVEN IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 25, $30 MILLION.
THEY'RE UP IN THE $50 MILLION RANGE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY SET ANY MONEY ASIDE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN, THEY'RE GONNA DEMAND THE SCHOOLS AND THEY DEMAND THE WORK.
THEY DEMAND THE, TO INTER TO INTERACT WITH OUR SCHOOLS.
SO JUST THE, THE FACT THAT THE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PTA, I THINK IT'S UP AROUND FOUR, 4,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND IT MAY EVEN BEEN MORE THAN THAT, LIKE I SAID, SWAMPED WITH FIGURES.
BUT THE INTERACTION IS WHAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, EVERY DISTRICT, I DON'T CARE WHAT DISTRICT YOU IN, YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROUD OF OUR SCHOOLS.
THEY WANT OUR SCHOOLS TO SUCCEED.
AND ANYBODY SCREWS WITH OUR SCHOOLS, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA GO SOUTH ON IT REAL QUICK.
OKAY? IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO, UH, TO, TO FLOAT.
UM, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE OLD NUMBER THAT HAS STAYED WITH ME FOREVER HAS BEEN THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 30%.
DEFINITELY YOU HAVE TO BUY MORE POLICE IF YOU'RE NOT IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME ON THAT, I'LL INVITE YOU TO GO OVER TO PORTSMOUTH OR GO TO NEWPORT NEWS OR GO TO HAMPTON OR GO TO NORFOLK.
AND YOU CAN SEE NOW HOW MUCH THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY FOR THE POLICE FORCES, WHY THEIR TAXES ARE SO MUCH HIGHER THAN OURS.
UM, AND THEN IT'S THE QUAL JUST BASICALLY THE QUALITY OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
YOU'RE SAFER IN YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE OF THAT QUALITY OF EDUCATION IS JUST, IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO I WANNA THANK THE MEMBERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE PTA TO HELP OUR SCHOOLS TO HELP OUR KIDS.
I, TO ME IT'S JUST, JUST ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN DO FOR OUR FUTURE IS TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CHILDREN.
I HAVE A FEW ITEMS. UM, I TALKED TO, UH, MR. BELLAMY EARLIER TONIGHT.
SPRINGFIELD ROAD HAD GOTTEN, UH, PRETTY, UM, UM, RUTTED AND THEN DAMAGED FROM, UH, ALL THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
AND WE'D ASK VDOT TO COME IN AND REPAIR, UH, THE SHOULDERS BASICALLY SO THAT THEY'RE BACK UP TO, TO, UH, GOOD CONDITION.
VDOT ACTUALLY DID RESPOND, BUT THEY ONLY DID ABOUT 150 YARD STRETCH AND THEY REALLY NEED TO DO THE REST OF THE, UH, REST OF THE SHOULDERS ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT ROAD.
AND I'VE ASKED MR. BELLAMY TO FOLLOW UP WITH ROSSI TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THAT DONE.
UM, A POWER OUTAGE RECENTLY IN, UH, ON HUBBARD LANE LEADING INTO QUEENS LAKE.
AND THE REASON IT WAS SIGNIFICANT FOR ME IS THAT IS POTENTIALLY THE ONLY AVENUE, UH, OR THE ONLY ACCESS POINT TO QUEENS LAKE ONCE THE COLONIAL PARKWAY GETS SHUT DOWN ALONG SECTION G AND F.
AND IT'S PROPOSED THAT BOTH OF THOSE SEGMENTS BE SHUT DOWN AT THE SAME TIME.
SO I, I REALLY HAVE A FOLLOW UP FOR CHIEF KACZINSKI OF HOW, HOW ARE WE ENSURING THAT WE HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS INTO QUEENS LAKE IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE THE COLONIAL PARKWAY COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN IN THAT AREA AND WE WERE TO LOSE THE MAIN ARTERY, UH, LEADING IN.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A FOLLOW UP, PLEASE.
SPEAKING OF POWER OUTAGES, UH, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, DOMINION, AND WE'VE ASKED CRYSTAL BRIGHT, I BELIEVE, TO COME IN IN SEPTEMBER MEETING.
UM, EVEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS I'VE SEEN DOMINION TRUCKS ALL OVER THE COUNTY IN PREPARATION FOR MAJOR WIND OR MAJOR THUNDERSTORMS, ET CETERA.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY POSITIONING THEIR FOLKS ALL OVER THE COUNTY FOR POTENTIAL ISSUES.
WE DO HAVE INCLEMENT WEATHER COMING ON THURSDAY,
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FRIDAY.PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT OFF THE ROADS IF POSSIBLE.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF ROUGH WEATHER, UH, AS, UH, HURRICANE DEBBIE COMES THROUGH.
FINALLY, UM, I HAD SOME REQUESTS FROM, UH, CITIZENS IN, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK IN WAYNES AREA.
AND, UH, THEY'D HAD A GAS LEAK IN THAT AREA AND THEY, THEY HAD SHUT OFF THE GAS FOR ALL THE APARTMENTS IN THAT, UH, PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR APARTMENT BLOCK.
AND, UM, THEY WEREN'T GETTING ANY RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER OF THE APARTMENT BLOCK OR FROM THE GAS SERVICE THAT COUNTY WAS ABLE TO STEP IN AND REALLY GET THAT CORRECTED IN THE SPACE OF ABOUT FOUR HOURS.
SO MY CONGRATULATIONS AND, AND COMPLIMENTS TO THE STAFF FOR REALLY GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO GET, UH, TO GET THAT ISSUE SOLVED AND GETTING IT DONE VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
AND, AND I'VE CERTAINLY HAD A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS FROM THE, UH, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE.
WHEN IS BELL HIT? QUEENS LAKE.
THERE WAS NO WAY YOU'RE GETTING INTO QUEENS LAKE.
I MEAN, IT MUST BEEN, BEEN EVERY LOG IN THE WORLD FELL ACROSS THE ROAD DOWN HERE, SO, I MEAN, IT CAN GET REALLY UGLY IN THAT AREA.
YEAH, IT'S, THAT WAS THE CASE TWO WEEKS AGO WITH, UH, WITH THAT STORM.
IT'S PRETTY, QUITE A MESS ON HO MRS. NOLL.
WELL, I HAD A WHOLE LOT TO SAY TONIGHT, BUT I THINK, UM, I'LL TRY TO CUT IT SHORT.
WE HAD A, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CLEAN WATER ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION ANOTHER NIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE IS THAT THE VIRGINIA SYMPHONY IS COMING ON AUGUST 31ST.
IS THAT THE RIGHT DATE? CORRECT, YES MA'AM.
AND I WANNA THANK THE CELEBRATE YORK TOWN COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY RAISE THE FUNDS, THEY HAVE TO RAISE $25,000 TO PUT ON THE SYMPHONY.
AND SO I'VE SEEN ADVERTISEMENT TO SAY IT'S A FREE SYMPHONY, IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY TO COME, BUT IT COSTS MONEY.
AND THE GALLERY, FOR EXAMPLE, MONEY FROM THE GALLERY GOES TOWARDS THE SYMPHONY.
$25,000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT IT IS A HUGE AMOUNT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO RAISE THE AMOUNT EACH AND EVERY YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS.
AND SO, I, I REALLY WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL THE CITIZENS WHO HELP AND WHO CONTRIBUTE AND WHO USE THE GALLERY AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY CAN DO, BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION.
AND IF YOU'VE NOT COME, YEAH, COME AGAIN, PLEASE BRING YOUR CHAIRS AND BRING YOUR BIKES.
I ALWAYS SAY, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL EVENING DOWN, UH, THE WATER.
AND, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING CULTURE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO A COMMUNITY.
IT, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, NICKELS AND DIMES AND, AND CEMENT AND TREES AND WHATEVER IT IS, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT ADDITION TO WHAT THEIR LIFESTYLE CAN BE AND THE MUSIC THAT THEY, THAT, THAT THEY PLAY.
IF YOU'VE NEVER GONE BEFORE OR THOSE OF YOU HAVE GONE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S SO APPRECIATED BY THOSE WHO ARE THERE.
AND THE CROWDS ARE HUGE AND PE CHILDREN ARE THERE, ALL AGES ARE THERE.
AND IT, IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR GOOD MUSIC, BUT THAT'S PAID FOR BY VOLUNTEERS.
SO KUDOS TO, TO CELEBRATE YORKTOWN COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR DOING IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, ALL RIGHT, A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I RECEIVED A LETTER IN THE MAIL FROM MRS. DAVIS, MRS. MITCHELL, MRS. WORST, UH, SHARING THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THE COUNTY, EVERYBODY GETTING TOGETHER AND GET THE SENIOR CITIZEN TRANSPORT, UM, MECHANISM IN PLACE, UM, SEEMS TO BE OFF TO A GOOD START.
UM, THEY, THEY, THEY JUST WANNA SAY THEY WERE JUST WANNA SHARE THEIR THANKS FOR THAT.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY BRINGING A NEED TO THE STAFF AND THE BOARD AND WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT AND ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING IN PLACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY HELPFUL.
SO I, I TOLD 'EM I PRE THANK, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE LETTER WITH US AND I WILL GET THAT TO SOMEBODY SO YOU CAN SCAN IT AND GET IT IN OFFICIAL RECORD SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT.
SO, SO THAT, SO I WANT THANKS, THANKS ABOUT THAT.
UM, SPEAKING OF STORM, SO YEAH, WE GOT A STORM COMING.
UM, AND IF YOU GO TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE ON THE TOP, BANNER AS A LINK AND TO ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION, COUNTY WISE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CANCELLATIONS COMING UP.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPECIAL STORM
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PARKING AS NEEDED AT, AT, AT THE MAC AND WENT TO CHISHOLM CREEK AND PROBABLY SOME OTHER PLACES.SO IF YOU NEED THAT, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, GO TO THAT, GO TO THAT PORTAL, STAY ON TOP OF IT, SEE WHAT'S, WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
UM, UM, ALSO I THINK MR. BELLAMY FOR AND PUBLIC WORKS TEAM FOR GETTING AHEAD OF IT AS WELL, GOING AROUND LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR, THE COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE DRAINAGE TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T ANY BLOCKAGES IN PLACE.
THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME AFTERWARDS, BUT AT LEAST GOING INTO IT, EVERYTHING'S, EVERYTHING'S CLEAR AND RUNNING.
AND LAST THING, LITTLE PLUG FOR OUR, I GUESS OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
IF ANYBODY, IF HAVEN'T NOTICED YET, IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBPAGE, BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, THERE'S A LITTLE CHAT BOT THERE NOW, YES, YOU GOT A QUESTION, ANSWER CHAT BOTT, WE'RE GOTTA COME UP WITH A NAME FOR THAT, FOR THAT GUY.
UM, UM, SO START USING IT AND, AND IT, WHENEVER YOU ASK IT THE QUESTION IT'LL ASK YOU, HEY, DID THAT HELP? AND IF IT DIDN'T HELP, TELL IT.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW WE TRAIN THE MODEL TO GET BETTER RESPONSES GOING FORWARD.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF NEW A AI TECHNOLOGY WE'VE INCLUDED IN, SO USE IT, MAKE IT BETTER.
AND THERE'S MORE WE USE IT, THE BETTER IT GETS.
NOW WITH THAT, WE HAVE A CLOSED SESSION THAT WE NEED TO GO INTO AND ONE THING I WANNA SHARE REAL QUICK, UM, BEFORE MRS. NOEL TAKES US IN THE CLOSED SESSION IS MR. DRURY IS WILL BE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY THIS EVENING BECAUSE OF A PERSONAL MANNER THAT ASSESS STATES HIS ABSENCE AS PERMITTED BY CODE OF VIRGINIA SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 8 2 AND THE BOARD RULE PROCEDURE ONE DASH NINE.
PROPER NOTIFICATION WAS GIVEN TO THE BOARD CHAIR AND ARRANGEMENTS THAT HAD BEEN MADE FOR MR. DREW'S VOICE TO BE HEARD IN THE ROOM, INCLUDING THE CLOSED SESSION.
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COULD YOU PLEASE TAKE US IN TO THE CLOSED SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.I MOVE THAT THE BORDER SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11, A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE IN CLOSE MEETING TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON A SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTER REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY COUNSEL.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE SESSION NOW.