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I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY, PLEASE, UH, IF YOU HAVE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES WITH YOU, MAKE SURE THEY'RE SILENCED.
AND LIKE TO START OFF BY CALLING, UH, PASTOR DAVID MAGRUDER UP TO GIVE US OUR VOCATION FOR THIS EVENING.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND ALSO THE ADMINISTRATION OF YOUR COUNTY'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO STAND BEFORE YOU, AND IT'S A SPECIAL PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO OFFER AN INVOCATION.
SO AT THIS TIME, I INVITE US ALL TO BOW OUR HEADS IN PRAYER.
DEAR ALMIGHTY AND MERCIFUL, GOD, YOU HAVE BLESSED US WITH ANOTHER DAY AND WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY IN WHICH WE GATHER IN THIS CHAMBER FOR TONIGHT'S SHE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
WE PRAY FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN THE COURSE OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THIS EVENING.
AND LORD, WE ALSO SEEK YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS ON EACH OF OUR ELECTED SUPERVISORS, THE ADMINISTRATION OF THIS COUNTY, AND THOSE WHO FAITHFULLY AND DILIGENTLY WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF YORK COUNTY.
AND GOD, IN THIS WORLD OF CHANGE, YOU PLACED ETERNITY IN OUR HEARTS, AND YOU GAVE US POWER TO DISCERN GOOD FROM EVIL.
GRANT US SINCERITY THAT AMID THINGS VANISHING AND DECEPTIVE, WE MAY SEE THE TRUTH STEADILY FOLLOW THE LIGHT FAITHFULLY AND GROW EVER RICHER IN THAT LOVE, WHICH IS THE LIFE OF ALL PEOPLE.
IN THE MIDST OF SUCH ANGRY DISCOURSE AND HARSH EXCHANGE OF WORDS AND THOUGHTS IN OUR WORLD TODAY, RETURN TO YOU SEEKING A SPIRIT OF GRACE, OF REVERENCE, OF PEACE, AND OF GRATITUDE.
ALLOW YOUR SPIRIT TO FILL US WITH THE SPIRIT OF HOPEFULNESS AND JOYFULNESS AND MERCY.
AND LORD, GRANT OUR SUPERVISORS THE WISDOM NEEDED AS SO TO SPEAK, WITH AUTHORITY, WITH RESPECT, TO SHARE IN JUDGEMENTS WITHOUT PRIDE OR PREJUDICE.
AND TO BE OPEN TO NEW THOUGHTS, NEW IDEAS, AND NEW PEOPLE IN A KIND AND LOVING MANNER.
GUIDE OUR LEADERS IN THE DISCUSSIONS THEY THEY MAKE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS WE PRAY IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.
ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US.
ANY NEWS INFORMATION YOU WANNA SHARE ABOUT YOUR CHURCH? UH, WE HAD VACATION BIBLE SCHOOL LAST WEEK.
HAD OVER 60, UH, STUDENTS THERE, AND IT'S ALWAYS A JOY TO HAVE STUDENTS.
AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO LEARN THAT SEVERAL OF THE STUDENTS HAVE JUST MOVED INTO THIS AREA.
UH, MOST OF 'EM ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE MILITARY, AND IT WAS GOOD THAT THEY FOUND YORK COUNTY TO THEIR HOME AND FELT WELL WARM AND RECEIVED WELL.
UM, WITH THAT, CAN I, CAN I GET MS. NOEL TO GET, LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE? I ALLEGIANCE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC STANDS, ONE NATION ABOUT THE INDIVISIBLE WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT HERE ON THE AGENDA AS WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT AND KEEP, UH, US MOVING ALONG EFFICIENTLY.
I'M GOING TO END UP MOVING THE CONSENT CALENDAR UP DURING THE SIX O'CLOCK HOUR.
[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]
FIRST, UM, I WANNA DO CITIZEN'S COMMENT, PERIOD.UH, SO I HAVE, WELL, I ONE COMING IN RIGHT NOW, SO PERFECT TIMING.
I LIVE AT 4 1 5 SPARROW ROAD IN SEAFORD.
UM, I CAME TO COMMENT ON THE SIGN VARIANCE THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR LEGACY MARINA.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE, UH, YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE IS INTENDED TO PROMOTE COMPATIBLE NEIGHBORING USES.
LEGACY MARINA ON RAILWAY ROAD IS, IN MY OPINION, ALREADY INCOMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDING SMALL SCALE RESIDENTIAL USES.
LEGACY CONTAINS A LARGE AND TALL METAL BUILDING, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM YORK POINT ON THE WATERSIDE AND FROM WELL
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AWAY ON THE RAILWAY ROADSIDE.I BELIEVE OVERSIZED SIGNAGE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND I REQUEST THAT THIS VARIANCE BE DENIED.
I ALSO QUESTION WHETHER THE EXISTING SIGN AREA NOW FACING CHEESEMAN CREEK AND ADVERTISING BEER AND OTHER THINGS HAS BEEN CALCULATED INTO THE TOTAL SIGN AREA ALLOWANCE.
I WISH CLARIFICATION OF THE SIGN AREA CALCULATION BEFORE THE APPROVAL OF ANY VARIANCE.
IT IS MY OPINION THAT OVERSIZED SIGNAGE IS INTENDED TO DRAW NON-VOTERS TO A SERIES OF LOUD OUTDOOR CONCERTS.
ON JUNE 11TH, OUR ZONING OFFICIAL BY ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT AP 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 2 6 AUTHORIZED A SERIES OF 10 OUTDOOR CONCERTS WITH AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND ANNOUNCEMENTS BY MICROPHONE AT THE LEGACY WATERFRONT.
NO NOTICE WAS GIVEN TO THE EFFECTIVE PARTIES FRONTING ON CHEESEMAN AND GOOSE CREEK.
HAVING SAT THROUGH THIS NOISE TWICE INVOLUNTARILY LISTENING INSIDE MY HOME WITH THE DOORS AND WINDOWS SHUT, I'M FORCED TO MAKE AN APPEAL OF THIS PERMIT.
MY APPEARANCE HERE IS INTENDED TO GIVE MY NEIGHBORS AND OTHER AFFECTED PARTIES NOTIFICATION OF THIS PERMIT.
I HAVE PAID THE $310 FEE AND TIMELY APPEALED THE PERMIT.
THE HEARING BEFORE THE ZONING APPEALS BOARD WILL BE ON AUGUST 23RD.
I HOPE THAT EVERYONE ON OR NEAR CHEESEMAN AND GOOSE CREEK, WHO CAN HEAR THE NOISE, WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND AND SUPPORT THIS EFFORT.
YOUR PEACE AND QUIET IS AT STAKE AGAIN, TUESDAY, AUGUST 23RD AT 6:00 PM THANK YOU.
IT IS, WOULD IT, WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO USE THIS TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, LET'S MOVE INTO COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS.
MR. HILL, I HAVE NO REPORT THIS EVENING.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS.UH, FIRST I BRING GREETINGS FROM OUR SISTER CITY IN GERMANY'S APPLICANT, AND I'M SURE SOME OTHERS WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR VISIT IN JULY OF 26 FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE STARTING TO PLAN THAT FAIRLY SOON.
AND, UH, ALONG WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO EXTEND A HUGE SHOUT OUT TO THE STAFF WHO WORKED ON THE 4TH OF JULY EVENT FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, I KNOW IT'S ONLY RECOGNIZED ONE DAY, BUT IT'S TRULY A HER EFFORT THAT TAKES DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, AND A WHOLE YEAR OF PLANNING TO PULL OFF.
UH, THIS YEAR WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A COUPLE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES, EXTREME HEAT, THE CLOSURE OF THE COLONIAL PARKWAY, AND THEN THAT LITTLE PESTY STORM THAT CAME THROUGH HERE.
UH, DESPITE THESE OBSTACLES, OUR STAFF N NAVIGATED THEM SKILLFULLY.
AND WITH A FEW ADJUSTMENTS, WE WERE ABLE TO SAFELY RESUME THE EVENTS AFTER A BRIEF PAUSE AND THEN HAD A SPECTACULAR FIREWORK SHOW OVER THE YORK RIVER.
UH, THIS EVENT IS LED BY OUR ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT STAFF, BUT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH REALLY ALL COUNTY STAFF, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND PARKS AND RECREATION, YORK, PCOS, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, PUBLIC WORKS PUBLIC AFFAIRS, AND OUR PARTNERS, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE, HISTORICAL MUSEUM, AND THE VETERANS OF FOUR WAR POST 8 24, WHO DOES OUR PARADE.
AND WITHOUT THEM WE COULDN'T DO THE PARADE.
SO JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE FOR THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. FULLER? MR. A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. FULLER, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MENTIONED THE HEAT, UH, AND, AND I KNOW WE TOOK, UM, MEASURES NEAR THE 1ST OF JULY, UH, TO, UH, OPEN UP SOME BUILDINGS FOR RESIDENTS THAT WERE SUFFERING FROM HEAT, THAT HEAT HASN'T DIMINISHED.
UM, I THINK TODAY I SAW ACTUAL HIGH OF 97 AND THE HEAT INDEX OF ONE 16.
UM, I GUESS I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SUSTAIN OR MAINTAIN THAT, UH, LEVEL OF CARE FOR RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF AIR CONDITIONING? SO WE WORKED WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, THE LIBRARIES, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES.
AND ACTUALLY TODAY WE DID, AND WE PUT IT OUT THROUGH PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
WE DID HAVE OUR, BOTH OF OUR LIBRARIES AVAILABLE.
UM, WE'VE HAD THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
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105 FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME, UH, WE OPEN UP THE LIBRARIES, UH, OR ALLOW PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGE 'EM TO COME TO THE LIBRARIES, UM, TO DATE, UH, CHECK WITH THE LIBRARY THE OTHER DAY.WE'VE NOT HAD ANYBODY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
UH, BUT WE ARE PREPARED AND WE ALSO, IF WE DO GET AN INFLUX, WE CAN MOVE THEM TO THE SENIOR CENTER IF WE NEED TO DO EXTENDED HOURS OR IF WE GET AN OVERFLOW OF PEOPLE.
AND THEN ONE QUESTION I WAS ASKED WAS, DO WE DO ANYTHING FOR FAMILIES WITH PETS? NO, WE DO NOT.
WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HOW WE WOULD HANDLE THAT SITUATION.
AND ONE OTHER FOLLOW UP FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE COLONIAL PARKWAY, UH, SEGMENTS G AND F ARE BOTH SCHEDULED TO CLOSE AT THE SAME TIME FOR ABOUT A ONE YEAR PERIOD, AND THAT ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATES THE, UM, EGRESS FROM QUEENS LAKE AREA.
UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FOLLOW UP SINCE THAT, UH, POINT WE, WE FOLLOW UP WITH THE PARK SERVICE, BUT, BUT HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM? OKAY.
I I KNOW ONE OF THE, UH, TAKEAWAYS FROM THE BROOK TRIP WAS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT REESTABLISHING THE, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE STUDENT, UM, EXCHANGE PROGRAM.
ANY, ANYTHING YOU EXPAND UPON WITH THAT? YES, SIR.
WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN WE WERE OVER THERE.
AND ACTUALLY ON THE LAST NIGHT, HAD DINNER, UH, WITH ONE OF THE TEACHERS FROM BROOK.
UH, AND I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL STAFF.
WE, WE KEEP, UH, PLAYING TELEPHONE TAG, UH, WITH THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION AND THEIR STAFF.
UM, BUT THEY'RE READY TO REENGAGE THAT AND THE SCHOOLS ARE READY TO REENGAGE.
SO, UH, I'M TRYING TO FOSTER THAT AS BEST I CAN AND KEEP THAT BALL ROLLING.
ONCE WE GET, ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO SCHOOL STARTING, THEN I THINK WE'LL GET MORE PROGRESS ON THAT.
I'M GLAD THAT CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT GET REESTABLISHED.
WE HAD TO DROP IT FOR A WHILE, UNDERSTAND WHY, BUT NOW'S A GOOD TIME TO GET IT GOING AGAIN.
UM, ALSO WANNA COMMEND YOUR STAFF.
EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE 4TH OF JULY INDEPENDENCE DAY, UM, UM, PREPARATIONS AND, AND GETTING THAT KICKED OFF IS, IS A HUGE LIFT ACROSS MANY PEOPLE, MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND TEAMS. A LOT OF COORDINATION.
AND THEN HAVING THE, THE, THE, UH, THE WEATHER THROWN IN, IN THE, THE, UH, WILD CARVE OF THE WEATHER.
I WASN'T SURE IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, BUT YOUR TEAM GOT IT OFF, GOT THE FULL THING OFF, AND A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES EITHER CANCELED ALL TOGETHER OR HAD A SHORTENED PROGRAM, BUT YORKTOWN GOT IT.
SO APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS THERE.
WE COULD ONLY GET RED, WHITE, AND BLUE BARRELS INSTEAD OF THE DAY GLOW ORANGE.
IT WOULD BE REALLY MORE PATRIOTIC.
WELL, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE THAT FOR THE TWO AND THE 50TH.
AND WHILE I HAVE YOU, UM, LET ME JUST ASK REAL QUICK, THE ONGOING ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THE CSX RAILROAD CROSSING.
I SPOKE WITH MR. BELLAMY, UH, HE WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO THE, UM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF RAILS AND WHATEVER THAT DEPARTMENT NAME IS.
UM, I KNOW MS. BELLAMY'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT ANY CHANCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, I I DO NOT HAVE AN UPDATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF MR. KRIEGER DOES, BUT I KNOW WE, WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND GET THAT TO YOU.
I KNOW, UH, MR. KRIEGER AND, AND MR. BELLAMY.
AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH VDOT AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UM, THE RAIL LINE.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL CATCH YOU UP ON THAT.
YEAH, I THINK IT, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO KEEP PUSHING UP THE, THE CHAIN THERE AND TRY TO GET SOME, SOME ACTION ON IT.
'CAUSE LIKE, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE ONE CROSS AND NOW AT OLD YORKTOWN, UM, ALSO NOW ON, UM, I GUESS IT'S COOK ROAD, UP, UP OTHER PLACE WHERE IT CROSSES, IT'S, IT'S PROBLEMATIC AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
AND LAST THING WE NEED IS PIECE OF TIMBER AND JUMP UP AND, AND MESS SOMEBODY'S VEHICLE UP.
I'LL CHECK ON THAT AND LET YOU KNOW.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, UH, THE, UH, REFERENCE TO THE STUDENT EXCHANGE, UM, FOR YEARS THERE WAS A PUSHBACK BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE GERMAN, UH, GOVERNMENT OPERATES, UH, THE STATE VERSUS THEIR LOCAL.
UM, I MEAN THE, THE, THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S NO LOCAL AUTHORITY CONTROL OVER THE EDU ANY, ANY EDUCATIONAL INPUT.
SO, UM, AND THEN FOR MANY YEARS, MANY YEARS, UM, THE, FOR SOME REASON THAT BECAME AN ISSUE AND, UM, THAT WAS KEEP, THAT WAS WHAT WAS KEEPING THE STUDENTS EXCHANGED FROM HAPPENING.
AND, UH, SO I'M, DID WE EVER OVERCOME THAT? WE DID OVERCOME THAT, AND WE HAD WORKED OUT OF THE SCHEDULE, AND THEN WE GOT HIT WITH COVID AND THAT THREW A WRENCH INTO IT.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME STAFF RETIRE ON BOTH ENDS.
UH, BUT WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE TALKED THROUGH A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES.
THEY DO HAVE SISTER CITY RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER, OR STUDENT EXCHANGES.
SO WE'RE GONNA MODEL SOME OF THAT.
UH, AND I THINK A LOT OF IT'S ABOUT SETTING THE EXPECTATION UP FRONT.
SO BOTH THE, THE STUDENTS COMING HERE AND THE STUDENTS AND THE PARENTS GOING TO GERMANY, GERMANY HAVE A CLEAR EXPECTATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
THAT WAS A REALLY GREAT PROGRAM AND IT WAS RUNNING REALLY WELL, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHEELS FELL
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OFF AND, AND THEY GOT TO BE A PROBLEM.SO YES, THERE'S, THERE'S A GREAT DESIRE ON BOTH SIDES TO CONTINUE TO RESTART THAT PROGRAM.
UM, REFERENCE THE, UM, RAILROAD CROSSINGS.
UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE AND I WILL TELL YOU IT, YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET IT DONE WITHIN, WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
ALRIGHT? THAT'S HOW SLOW THEY, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, UH, RESOURCES.
THERE'S RESOURCE LIMITATIONS ON, AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER CROSSINGS THEY GOTTA DEAL WITH THE MAJOR, MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE LINE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A, IS A SPUR LINE, IS WHAT IT IS.
IF IT WAS A MAJOR LINE, YOU WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE ON IT TOMORROW.
UM, I THINK IT WAS, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE CROSSING.
BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS, IT JUST TAKES FOREVER FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
AND, UH, IT JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING OR IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I'LL SEE, UM, I'LL SEE THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, THIS WEEK, UH, MAYBE WHAT THURSDAY, I THINK.
AND, UM, I'LL JUST PUT A BUG IN HER EAR, SEE WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING US.
SO ANYWAY, I'M GLAD THAT, AND THAT'D BE GREAT.
IT'S NOT AN ISSUE WHERE YOU CAN'T DROP ACROSS IT, LIKE, BUT NEEDS ATTENTION EVENTUALLY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING ANY FEET BACK UP.
IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE SEMIS COULD CROSS IT.
I MEAN IT, AND THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS BEFORE.
AND THEY FINALLY FIXED IT AND IT WAS, THEN IT WAS ONE, IT WAS PART OF A, UH, I THINK A STORM WATER ISSUE THAT THAT CAME UP AND THAT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR, UH, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
IT SEEMS TO GET ANYTHING DONE ON THESE SPUR LINES.
SO, WELL, IT JUST GETS COMMUNICATION TO GET ON AN AGENDA.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
ALRIGHT.LET'S MOVE INTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THAT KNOCKED OUT.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UM, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCE.
UH, SO AS I GO THROUGH THIS, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL ANY ASIDE FOR DISCUSSION, SEPARATE DISCUSSION, OR ONCE THEM PULLED OUT FOR AN INDEPENDENT VOTE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
SO WE HAVE CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES, MINOR EXPANSION.
AND WE HAVE THE, UH, YCYC ADDITIONAL DISTRICT TWO MEMBER.
WE, WE HAVE THE AUTOMATIC, UH, THE, UH, AEDS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
LIMITED ACCESS BREAK ENDORSEMENT REQUEST ON RIGHT.
1 71 REIMBURSEMENT FROM BOND PROCEEDS FOR EXPENDITURE MADE OR TO BE MADE IN CONNECTION WITH COUNTY PROJECTS.
ANOTHER BOND, UH, EXPENDITURE TO BE MADE IN CONNECTION SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS, EXCUSE ME, RIVER WALK LANDING, FLOATING PEER REPAIRS.
UM, PROBABLY JUST OUGHT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
UH, CISCO CORE REPLACEMENT SWITCH REPLACEMENT.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU ON? THAT'S NUMBER 14.
UH, THE DAWN JUAN SANITARY SEWER BYPASS PROJECTS NUMBER 15.
AND AUDIO NUMBER 16, AUDIO VISUAL SYSTEM FOR THE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BUILDING.
AND NUMBER 17 IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MAY 21ST AND THE MAY FOUR MEETING.
SO MR. ROY, YOU WANTED TO PULL NUMBER SEVEN TO CHAT ABOUT AND NUMBER 10 WE RECEIVED INPUT ON TODAY.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST DISCUSS NUMBER 10.
WHICH DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO THE RIVER WALL PLANNING, FLOATING PIER.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ONES? ANYBODY? OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET INTO NUMBER SEVEN, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCE, UH, EXPANSION.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WITH CDR.
UM, TONY, MICHAEL SAY THAT A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WITH CDR AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE HISTORICALLY IN THE, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING ON WATERMILL ROAD.
WE HAD SEVEN NON-PROFITS IN THE HISTORIC BUILDING ON WALLER MILL ROAD.
UH, CDR PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, UM, AND THEN WITHIN TWO MONTHS, EVICTED ALL THE TENANTS.
THEY'VE BEEN THREE YEARS NOW WITH THAT BUILDING, EMPTY AND STILL NO WORK ON IT.
WE, UM, WE OFFER RENT OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET AT A DOLLAR A YEAR.
WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE OTHER SEVEN NONPROFITS THAT LOST ALL THAT SPACE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING IN.
I'M JUST FRUSTRATED THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR AT THE PACE OF, UH, CDR AND, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BEING, IT ADDRESSED OR DEALT WITH.
AND I, UH, I'M NOT ONE TO, TO, UH, TO SUGGEST THAT THEY, UH, THEY DON'T DO A REASONABLY GOOD JOB IN, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE CHILDREN IN, IN THE UPPER DISTRICT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DO VERY MUCH IN THE LOWER DISTRICT, WHICH THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO DO.
I JUST WONDER WHY WE CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM A GRANT OF, I CALL IT 20 TO $30,000 A YEAR IN
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TERMS OF WHAT THE, THE VALUE OF THAT RENTAL SPACE WOULD BE.HAD ANYBODY ELSE, UH, WANTED IT.
IF, IF WE'RE GONNA OFFER IT FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR, WHY AREN'T WE OFFERING IT TO THE OTHER NONPROFITS THAT WERE IN THE WALLER MILL CENTER AND, UH, AND WE'RE FORCED TO LEAVE? THAT'S, THAT'S MY BEEF.
UM, I AM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING NECESSARILY THAT WE CHANGE THIS RESOLUTION, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT BEHAVIOR IS LESS THAN PROFESSIONAL AND WE NEED TO SEE AN, AN IMPROVEMENT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING? ABOUT CDR? YES.
AND THE, UH, AT A WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE, UH, COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY, WE HAD AN IMMIGRATION AGENCY IN THERE THAT HANDLED, UH, UM, SPANISH, UH, SPANISH CITIZENSHIP REVIEWS.
WE HAD COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, UM, SECTION IN THERE.
AND THEN WE HAD PENINSULA AGE AGENCY ON AGING.
THERE WERE SEVERAL IN THERE, AND THEY ALL BASICALLY WERE ASKED TO LEAVE ON VERY SHORT NOTICE.
WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE JUST PULL IT, BRING IT, AND HAVE COME BACK, EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, IF I MAY TAKE ACTION ON THAT, IF I MAY.
THERE'S TWO ITEMS TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA FOR CDR ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS THE APPLICATION FOR RENOVATION AND EXPANSION, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LEASE SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES.
SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS FROM CDR TONIGHT.
SO WHAT'S HOLDING THEM UP? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
WHAT'S HOLDING 'EM UP? WELL, THE FIRST ONE IS, THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR THEY NEED, AND MS. ABBOTT CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
THEY NEED, UH, UH, PERMISSION TO, UH, DO THAT EXPANSION.
THEY DON'T NEED TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT WE, OKAY.
SO LET, SO THAT'S GOING, THAT'S THE PIECE ON THE, BECAUSE HE HAD A GOOD POINT.
THAT'S THE PIECE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
WELL, MY POINT HERE IN THIS IS THAT IF WE ARE GIVING MONEY, THIS IS NOT PASS THROUGH MONEY, IS IT? IT'S NOT FEDERAL PASS THROUGH MONEY? NO.
SO WE'RE GIVING 'EM MONEY AND THEY'RE JUST NOT, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE MONEY? SO WHAT'S, AND I MEAN, JUST, I MEAN, BASIC SENSE HERE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH FRICKING MONEY? MM-HMM.
BUT WHAT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS THE EXPANSION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY MONEY COMING FROM THE CALENDAR IF WE GIVE THEM $30,000, NOT FOR THIS EXPANSION.
ONE, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE EXPANSION.
I'M JUST NOW, NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT, WE'VE GOT AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S BEEN MESSING AROUND AND UPSET ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS UP THERE WHO PAYS PROBABLY MORE ATTENTION TO IT THAN I DO GUARANTEE.
BUT THE POINT IS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH, WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT WE'RE GIVING 'EM MONEY AND THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? OKAY.
I CAN CALL MS. NEWCOMB OR, OR DR.
RICHIE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.
I HAVE COME BACK UP HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
WELL, LET'S, THEY'RE HERE NOW.
HOLD, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
LET'S HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
REALLY WHERE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS EXPANDING THE BUILDING THAT THEY HAPPEN TO BE IN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS NEEDED REGARDLESS OF WHO, WHO'S USING THEIR LEASING.
WE'RE DISCUSS, WE'RE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR PIECE.
WE WE'RE ON THE CONSENT, WE'RE ON THIS CONSENT CALENDAR.
WE'RE ON NUMBER SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT YET.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER IN THE SEVEN O'CLOCK HOUR.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSING ON, ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR AGENDA ITEM ABOUT EXPANDING THE ACTUAL BUS BUILDING REGARDLESS OF WHO'S, THERE'RE USING IT.
SO, WELL, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, WHY THEY'RE CAUSING.
SO NOT SO MUCH HATE AND DISCONTENT.
WE GET BURIED IN OUR CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PART.
SO I REALIZE THAT I FLIP THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT? SO LEASING COMMENT WAS IN THE, UH, RIGHT.
SO, SO LET'S FOCUS, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE EXPANSION.
ANY PARTICULAR THING THAT YOU WANNA, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE PICTURE YOU YEAH, NO, THIS IS, UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THE USES THIS BUILDING RECEIVED A, UM, THE, RATHER, THE SITE ON WALLER MILL RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BACK IN THE NINETIES.
AND SOME OF THOSE USES ARE STILL SPECIALLY PERMITTED.
SO SINCE THEY ARE EXPANDING, THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU TO GET PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S THE EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING, THE ADDITION THAT'S REFERENCED.
WHO, AND, OKAY, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
IF WE APPROVE THE CONSENT COUNTER WITH THIS ITEM AND WE DON'T APPROVE THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR IT, PLUS THE IMPACT, THESE TWO ITEMS ARE SEPARATE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS LEASE OF SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES.
BUT IF WE DON'T, IF WE, IF WE DECIDE NOT TO LEASE SPACE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
DO THEY STILL NEED EXPANSION? OH, WE HAVE LEASE.
DIFFERENT BUILDINGS STILL NEED, THEY STILL NEED THE EXPANSION REGARDLESS.
THEIR, THEIR IDEA IS TO EXPAND.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE THE EXPANSION IS COMPLETE, THEN THEY WILL NO LONGER NEED TO LEASE SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES, AND THEN WE CAN EXPAND OUR PROGRAMS THERE.
AND THIS IS A ONE YEAR LEASE, BUT THAT'S ON THE PUBLIC HEARING SIDE.
SO MY POINT IN THIS, AND I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THIS AND WITHOUT THEM COMING UP HERE TALKING TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS, I DON'T CARE HOW RELATED IT IS TO ANYTHING.
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OKAY? I KNOW THEY'RE AT GRIFFIN, YATES HAVE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF THEM, BUT WHEN ORGANIZATIONS DO WHAT MR. ROY JUST SAID, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE GOTTA BE UP HERE QUESTIONING.THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT THEY NEED TO COME UP AND TALK TO US ABOUT.
AND THIS IS, THIS ONE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IS THIS THE EXPANSION OR IS THIS THE, THIS IS THE EXPANSION, RIGHT? THE EXPANSION.
SO I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT EXPANSION OF SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM.
HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW IS THAT CAUSING A PROBLEM? YEAH.
HOW IS THAT CAUSING A PROBLEM? OKAY.
DOUG JUST DIDN'T HEAR JUST WHAT DOUG SAID.
I HEARD WHAT DOUG SAID, BUT DOUG WAS TALKING ABOUT LEASING, THE LEASING THE BUILDING, THE OTHER BUILDING.
DO YOU WANT TO WELL, I, I, I, I PUT THE TWO TOGETHER.
I MEAN, IT'S CDR, RIGHT? THEY'VE COME TO US FOR AN EXPANSION.
THEY'VE COME TO US FOR A CONTINUATION OF A LEASE ON GRIFFIN.
I'M SAYING THEIR BEHAVIOR HAS ME CHALLENGING WHY WE'RE DOING ALL THIS FOR THEM.
THE QUESTION IS, IF I CAN ANSWER OR PUT IT IN THE ORATE WATER, IS THAT GRIFFIN YATES? I MEAN, CDR GOT THAT BUILDING.
THEY HAD TO, UH, I HAVE A FEELING THAT PART OF OF ASKING THE OTHER NONPROFITS TO LEAVE WAS SO THAT THEY HAD THE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND IT.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S ALL DONE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE, UH, EVERYTHING FROM GRIFFIN EIGHTS NOW OVER THERE.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO GRIFFIN? EIGHT YATES, ARE WE GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO NONPROFITS START? NO, WE WILL EXPAND OUR EXISTING PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE NEED TO EXPAND OUR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION PROGRAMS. SO IN THE INTERIM, WHERE ARE THOSE NONPROFITS GONE? UM, FISH, I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT FISH FISHES ENDED UP ON SECOND STREET.
UH, PENINSULA AGENCY, UH, ON, ON AGING HAS ENDED UP IN ANOTHER LOCATION AND PRIMARILY OUTTA NEWPORT NEWS.
NOW, I BELIEVE THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN NEWPORT NEWS THOUGH.
BUT THEY HAD A, THEY HAD A, A PLACE IN WILLIAMSBURG, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE THAT NOW.
UM, HEART TO HEART, CPR, COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL OF THESE OTHERS HAVE ENDED UP.
I KNOW THEY WE'RE ALL FORCED TO LEAVE AT VERY SHORT NOTICE.
SO OTHER THAN US PROVIDING APPROVAL OR NOT, WHATEVER, FOR ITEM SEVEN, WHAT IS THE COUNTY DOING FOR CDR IN REGARDS TO ITEM SEVEN? EITHER FOR ITEM SEVEN WE HAVE NO, OTHER THAN OTHER THAN OUR APPROVAL OF DISAPPROVAL.
WHAT DO WE, WHAT DOES THE COUNTY PROVIDE? WE DON'T PROVIDE ANYTHING CURRENTLY.
FOR THEIR BUILDING AT WALLER MILL ROAD.
AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE FUNDING THE EXPANSION? MM-HMM.
THEY JUST NEED OUR APPROVAL OR, OR NOT FOR THE EXPANSION OF, OF THEIR BUILDING.
THEY CAME TO US BEFORE ABOUT GETTING, GETTING THE ABILITY AS A NONPROFIT TO, TO THAT, LET FINANCE, LEMME BACKTRACK THAT, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING WAS DONE BY A FOUNDATION.
AND THAT FOUNDATION CAME TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE BUILDING C FOUNDATION TO BECOME TAX EXEMPT.
AND THAT FOUNDATION IS, AND THAT, THAT FOUNDATION PLANS TO SELL THE BUILDING.
MR. SCOTT HERE, HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CORRECT THINGS WITH CDR, BUT THE, THEY WILL PURCHASE OR THE BUILDING FROM THE FOUNDATION.
THEY'RE NOT LEASING IT FROM THE FOUNDATION.
THEY'RE GONNA BUY IT FROM THE FOUNDATION.
SO MY QUESTION IS TWO THINGS ALONG TO DOUG'S LINE OF THINKING, PROBABLY SOME OF YOUR THINKING AS WELL.
IF THERE'S IMPROPRIETY GOING, THEN THIS COULD BE CONNECTED.
IF THE IMPROPRIETY IS GOING ON WITH CDR AND THEY'RE NOT DOING THINGS UP AND UP, THEN WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD WE GIVE 'EM PERMISSION TO EXPAND ANOTHER 7,200 SQUARE FEET? I'M NOT SURE IT'S QUESTIONABLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPROPRIETIES.
I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW HAVE THEY DEALT WITH OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
IF, IF WE'RE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THEM AND SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS, I WOULD EXPECT A BETTER PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR.
WELL AGAIN, ISN'T THAT ALL TIED TOGETHER? THEY'RE LEASING THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT 7,200 MORE SQUARE FEET TO LEASE MORE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE NOT BEING PROFESSIONAL, DON'T YOU THINK I'M KIND OF WITH TOM, DON'T WE? WE NEED TO GET THEM IN HERE AND ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS.
WELL, I JUST WANNA CONNECT ALL THE DOTS TO THIS.
YEAH, I SEE MS. PAUL SCOTT, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IN THE AUDIENCE.
I'M SURE HE WAS HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PIECE, BUT HE I'M SURE IF YOU'D LIKE, AND MAYBE SHED SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS, PLEASE.
AND JUST AT THE MOMENT, JUST FOCUS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM REGARDING THE EXPANSION.
MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT BEING HERE FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO THE, UH, BUILDING IS OWNED CURRENTLY.
I SERVE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES.
AND, UM, WANTED TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION I POSSIBLY CAN.
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12 WALLER MILL, UH, WAS SERVED AS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COALITION.THEY FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO MOVE, WE NEEDED TO LEAVE LAFAYETTE HIGH SCHOOL'S CHILDCARE CENTER.
SO WE STARTED A SEARCH IN THE COMMUNITY FOR AN APPROPRIATE SETTING FOR THAT.
UH, COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY HAD ALREADY LEFT AND THEY HAD VACATED THE SPACE.
UM, THEY MOVED OUT TO POPLAR CREEK AND HAD VACATED THE CHILDCARE CLASSROOMS THAT EXIST AT THREE 12 WALLER MILL.
SO IT SEEMED A PERFECT FIT FOR US BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO RELOCATE CHILDCARE CENTERS.
AND THERE WAS ALREADY EXISTING CHILDCARE CENTERS WITH SPRINKLERS AND EGRESS AND SOME OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR CHILDCARE.
SO WE INITIATED A, A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
MEANWHILE, THE BUILDING WAS PURCHASED, UM, AND HELD BY THE ROBINSON COMMUNITY RESOURCES PARTNERSHIP UNTIL WE COULD RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE FIRST PHASE OF THE RENOVATION.
SO THERE'S, THE FIRST STAGE IS RENOVATING THE MAIN BUILDING OF THREE 12 WALLER MILL.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN EXPANSION TO, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO TAKE FIVE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE WE ARE NOW THROUGHOUT JAMES CITY COUNTY AND MOVE THEM ALL INTO THREE 12 WALLER MILL.
SO WE'RE GONNA SELL THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE AND VACATE THE LEASES THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN ALL MOVE ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS INTO THREE 12.
THAT'LL INCLUDE OUR EARLY HEAD START CHILDCARE CENTER, OUR TRAINING PROGRAMS, ALL OF OUR, UH, EARLY INTERVENTION PROGRAMS. WE'VE GOT FATHERHOOD AND A, A VARIETY OF OTHER PROGRAMS THERE.
SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS NEEDED, UH, BECAUSE THE BUILDING OUT FRONT, THE ADDITION OF THAT BUILDING, UM, THERE ARE SOME USES, I HEARD A BIT OF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE SPECIFIC USES HAD TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOW BY RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE, THE HEARING HAD TO HAPPEN FOR THAT SPACE AND TO THE DELAY OF THE BUILDING.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE HAD WHEN WE GOT THE ESTIMATE WAS THAT IT WAS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE EXPECTED IT TO BE.
SO WE PLANNED TO START THAT RENOVATION RIGHT AWAY AND NEEDED TO PAUSE THE, THE CAMPAIGN A BIT, REDO THE ENTIRE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN RESTART OUR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.
HAPPY TO REPORT THAT AS OF LAST MONDAY, THE, UH, WE'VE RAISED ENOUGH MONEY TO HAVE THAT BUILDING TRANSFERRED TO OUR OWNERSHIP SO THAT CDR OWNED THE BUILDING.
WE'RE GONNA, AGAIN, THE PLAN IS TO RENOVATE THE MAIN SPACE, UH, TO HOUSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND THEN AT SOME PHASE WHEN WE HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT, TO EXPAND OUT FRONT.
AND I THINK THE, THE IDEA WAS THAT WE NEEDED TO RESOLVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ISSUE NOW BEFORE WE REALLY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING PLAN.
SO THAT THE, THE INTENT WAS TO GET ALL THE PERMITTING DONE AND ALL THE APPROVALS IN PLACE BEFORE WE LAUNCHED INTO THE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO, IS YOUR DEPARTURE FROM GRIFFIN RATES YATES DEPENDENT UPON THE EXPANSION, OUR PLAN IS TO MOVE FROM GRIFFIN YATES INTO THIS SPACE.
AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THE SPACE AT LAFAYETTE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY, THEY, IN THE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH 900, BUT THERE'S A BUILDING OUT OFF OF LAFAYETTE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THERE'S A PIECE OF THAT THAT USED TO SERVE AS THE AUTO SHOP, AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE AUTOMOTIVE, UH, SHOP THAT, I CALL IT, SHOP IN SCHOOL.
SO IT WAS VACANT FOR YEARS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE SOME GRANT FUNDS TO RENOVATE THAT SPACE AND EXPAND OUR CHILDCARE CENTER THERE TO FOUR CLASSROOMS. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE FOUR CLASSROOMS THAT NOW HAVE MOVED ACROSS THE STREET TO LIFE CHURCH, THE TWO CLASSROOMS AT GRIFFIN YATES, AND COMBINE THEM AT THREE 12 WATER MOUTH.
SO ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS WILL BE RIGHT THERE IN NEW YORK.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I ASK, DO YOU, DO YOU NEED THAT ADDITION IN PLACE BEFORE YOU CAN DEPART GRIFFIN GATES? NO, NO.
THOSE, THOSE, THE ADDITIONS FOR, PRIMARILY FOR A, A LARGE MEETING SPACE FOR TRAININGS.
UH, WE'VE GOT A FATHERHOOD AND A TRAINING PROGRAM THAT WE, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION FOR VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ED AND, UH, A LARGE BOARD MEETING SPACE.
BUT IT'S NOT, THAT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE MOVE OF THE CHILDCARE CENTER.
THAT CAN HAPPEN AS SOON AS THAT BUILDING'S READY FOR OCCUPANCY.
AND WILL THAT BE THIS CALORIE YEAR OR? WE, SO WE, WE HOPE TO BREAK GROUND.
UH, WE'RE HAVING A GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY, WE HOPE IN SEPTEMBER, AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET THE ESTIMATES BACK FOR THE REDESIGN, WHICH WILL BE NEXT E EITHER THE WEEK AFTER NEXT, WE SHOULD KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO HAVING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEED ON HAND TO FINISH THE RENOVATION.
AND WE WE'RE GIVEN AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT 14 MONTHS FROM THE DAY THEY START TO THE DAY THEY FINISH, OR UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE CAN OCCUPY.
NOW, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA FIND IN THAT BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN IT, YOU KNOW IT'S THERE, THERE'LL BE SOME SURPRISES WE EXPECT, BUT WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM ON IT.
AND WE'VE HAD ALL THE SUBTRADES IN THE BUILDING ALREADY KIND OF CRAWLING AROUND AND SEEING.
SO WE, WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SURPRISES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, BUT NO, SO WE CAN MOVE OUT OF GRIFFIN YATES BEFORE THE ADDITION IS BUILT.
WE WANNA DO 'EM AT THE SAME TIME, UH, BECAUSE IT'LL SAVE A, SAVE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY AND DISRUPTION TO THE OPERATION IF WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY.
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QUESTION? I WANNA KNOW IF THE ANSWER DOUG'S TALK TO TALK TO DOUG'S ISSUE.DOUG, YOU MIGHT WANNA REPEAT THAT SO HE CAN.
WELL, I, I, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN IDLE NOW, OR, OR EMPTY FOR THREE YEARS.
WE HAD A NUMBER OF NONPROFITS IN THERE WHEN, WHEN ROBINSON GROUP FIRST PURCHASED THE BUILDING ON BEHALF OF CDR, UH, YOU, YOU AT THAT POINT, UH, TOLD THE CURRENT CLIENTS THAT THEY HAD TO LEAVE THE BUILDING, THAT THEY HAD, UH, THREE MONTHS NOTICE.
UM, MOST OF THEM DID AT THAT TIME.
UH, AGAIN, THEY NEEDED A MUCH LARGER BUILDING.
SO IT TOOK A, TOOK QUITE A BIT LONGER TO DO.
UH, I JUST QUESTION HAVE WE, HAVE WE DEALT WITH THEM FAIRLY, UH, AS, AS WE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE THIS REQUEST IN FRONT OF US FOR, UH, LEASING OF, OF SPACE TO CDR FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR? I, DID WE GIVE THAT KIND OF CONSIDERATION TO THE OTHER NONPROFITS? WELL, UM, THE DETAILS OF EACH, EACH PROGRAM, SO COMMUNITY ACTION HAD ALREADY LEFT THE UNITED WAY HAD ALREADY LEFT.
UM, SO THE, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COALITION HAD ITSELF, UM, A BUILDING IN A, IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
AND THEY WERE SEEING A DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANTED TO RENT IT.
AND THERE WAS A LOT, YOU'VE MENTIONED SOME OF THE, THE GRANTEES THAT WERE THERE.
FISH WAS THE MOST, UH, ACTIVE, I WOULD SAY.
AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHER SMALL NONPROFITS THERE.
THEIR INTENT WAS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TO EXPAND INTO THE BUILDING INTO THREE 12.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY SEEKING MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AS YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO A GREAT SERVICE.
AND THEY HAD, THEY WERE BURSTING AT THE SEAMS. THE LAYOUT AT THREE 12 IN WHAT WE CALL THE FISH SPACE, WAS REALLY DISJOINTED.
AND IT WAS HARD FOR THEM TO OPERATE OUT OF THERE.
UH, FORTUNATELY, THEY, THEY FOUND A SITE, UH, ON, UH, I, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE MERRIMACK TRAIL.
AND IT'S AN OLD, IT WAS AN OLD MEDICAL CLINIC.
SO, UM, WE, THERE WAS A CHURCH THAT REMAINED THERE FOR ANOTHER SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHER NONPROFITS.
BUT WHAT WE HAD THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE THE BEGINNING OF THE RENOVATION WOULD'VE SHUT OFF THE HVAC AND THE PLUMBING AND ALL OF THAT, THAT WE HAD LET THEM KNOW THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO IT.
AND ONCE WE REALIZED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN, IT WAS, IT WAS, WE PRETTY MUCH HAD TO MULTIPLE THE BUILDING.
WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE, WE DIDN'T WANT THE PIPES TO FREEZE, BUT THERE WASN'T, IT WAS REALLY GONNA BE COSTLY TO KEEP THAT BUILDING AT A LEVEL THAT WAS FUNCTIONAL FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE FOLKS, WE TRIED OUR BEST.
AND IF, AND I WOULD REGRET TO HEAR THAT IF THERE WERE ANY THAT FELT THEY WEREN'T TREATED WELL.
UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER NONPROFIT CHILDCARE PROVIDER THAT HAD JUST SIGNED A LEASE, UH, TO OPERATE IN THE SPACE THAT COMMUNITY ACTION HAD VACATED.
AND WE, WE BASICALLY BOUGHT OUT A REMAINDER OF THEIR LEASE BECAUSE HE LITERALLY HAD JUST OPENED UP, GOTTEN LICENSURE AND PUT UP SIGNAGE, UH, WHEN ALL THIS TRANSACTION HAPPENED.
SO HE WAS ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION.
WE JUST BASICALLY PAID OUT THE TERM OF THE LEASE.
I WITHDRAW MY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TOLD.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO KNOW.
UM, I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM 10.
MR. ROY, THIS IS ABOUT THE LIMITED EXCESS BREAK ENDORSEMENT REQUEST.
WE EACH RECEIVED A, A, A NOTE TODAY FROM MR. GREG SMITH.
AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD REVIEWED THAT NOTE AND UNDERSTOOD IT.
UM, I, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE PARTICULAR PLACE ALONG.
SEVEN OR, UH, ALONG, UH, 1 71 THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR LIMITED ACCESS.
PERHAPS OTHERS ARE MORE FAMILIAR.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, UM, THAT BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34 34, THEY'RE EXPANDING THROUGH SMART SCALE PROGRAM.
THEY'RE ADDING AN, AN ADDITIONAL LANE TO, UH, THAT SIDE OF THE, UH, OTHER ROAD.
SO IT'LL GIVE A TOTAL, THERE'S THREE RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE, UH, I'D SAY THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UH, SOUTHBOUND SIDE, THERE'S THREE LANES ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO SMART SCALE'S ADDING AN EXTRA LANE.
PART OF THAT, AND THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY DOWN THERE IS MR. ASH A MONTH HAD TO APPROACH ME OF TALKING ABOUT IT.
CAN Y'ALL, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HE'D LIKE TO GET A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT INTO THE BUSINESS THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
HE IS, BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND, UH, UM, AND THAT WAS THE DESIRE BECAUSE THE OPPORTUNITY CAME UP, WAS THAT IF HE COULD GET THE WRITE IN RIGHT OUT, HE WOULD REDUCE THE COST.
'CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO ACQUIRE PART OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS GONNA BE KIND OF A TRADE OFF, A LITTLE BIT OF A TRADE OFF.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THE, FOR US TO PROVIDE THE STATE REQUIRES, OR ACTUALLY THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD FOR, REQUIRES THAT THEY GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT JUST SAYS, OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT WHETHER THE WRITE IN, WRITE OUT ACTUALLY ENGINEERING WISE MAKES SENSE.
VDOT WILL DETER, MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
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IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT, IT DECREASES THE, UH, A TRAFFIC PERFORMANCE, UH, THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT.THEY WILL, THE TRANSPORTATION BOARD WON'T APPROVE IT.
SO FOR US, UM, IT'S FOR US TO JUST GIVE HIM THE RIGHT IN.
I SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR IF HE WANTS TO TRY IT, GO TO THE STATE AND WORK OUT A DEAL WITH HIM AND SEE IF THAT WORKS.
SO YOU, YOU'VE READ THROUGH THIS NOTE? WELL, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW.
HE SAYS NOTE I HAVEN'T SEEN HIS NOTE, BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, I KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS DOWN THERE.
AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL? YES, I'M RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, YES.
I CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW US, IS THAT, IS IT THE BLUE LINE WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT THE IT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
THE SCAN ON THE AGENDA ISN'T THE MOST HIGH QUALITY, BUT UM, THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED AS WELL.
SO WHAT I'VE REPRESENTED THAT DARK PURPLE IS AN APPROXIMATION OF WHERE THE BRAKE REQUEST IS NOW, JUST TO VERIFY, UM, YOUR ACTION IS AN ENDORSEMENT AND THEN THEIR REQUEST IS GONNA ACTUALLY GO TO THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD LIKE MR. SHEPARD MENTIONED, AND THEY'RE GONNA ONES WHO ARE GONNA ULTIMATELY AUTHORIZE THAT BREAK.
AND IS THAT JUST ENTRANCE OR IS ENTRANCE AND EXIT? IT'S, IT'S BOTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA APPROVE IT, BUT, OKAY.
'CAUSE IT'S A LIMITED ACCESS ROAD.
BUT YES, ALL HE WANTS FROM US, I BELIEVE IS, IS TO THE ENDORSEMENT.
ASK TO PASS IT ON TO BECAUSE, AND THAT'S IT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A MECHANISM FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ENGAGE VDOT.
IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO COME THROUGH.
AND THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY, THEY'LL DO THE ENGINEERING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, THAT'S FEASIBLE, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN FEASIBLE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP, YOU, THAT LITTLE PURPLE LINE IS KIND OF HARD TO SEE.
BUT IF FOR RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET IN THERE, YOU, YOU GO DOWN TO THE RIGHT, YOU GO PAST THE GAS STATION THERE, YOU TURN IN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN IN.
OKAY, NOW IF YOU WANNA GO BACK NORTH, YOU HAVE TO COME OUT OF THAT GAS STATION AREA TO WHERE THAT LITTLE SQUARE THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO WAY DOWN, DOWN HAMPTON HIGHWAY, DO A U-TURN AND THEN COME BACK UP TO GO NORTH.
WELL WHAT THIS IS GONNA PROVIDE 'EM, IF IT WORKS, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT, UH, AND THEN GO UP TO THE RED LIGHT AND TAKE A LEFT.
SO IT STAYS ON TRAFFIC AND TIME LIKE THAT.
NOW, WHAT I THINK IS THE POSSIBILITY, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THIS BECAUSE IN THE FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON OR SOMETHING IN AND IT JUST NOT GONNA GET OUT OF THERE.
SO, UM, AND, AND SO THEY'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK.
THAT'S THE ENGINEERING STUDY AGAIN, ADDITIONAL ROAD IS GOING IN THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE ADDING A WHOLE NEW LANE IN THERE.
SO TRAFFIC'S GONNA FLOW A LOT FASTER THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
AND UH, UM, AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE ALTOGETHER.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, I I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO IT RIGHT.
WAS EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO COVER? YEAH.
I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT EXPLANATION.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. DREW, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FLOATING PI? WHICH ONE? NUMBER 13? YES, NUMBER 13.
SO, UM, MAYBE MR. KRIEGER CAN COME UP AND GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
HEY, YOU WANNA GET YOUR, YOU WANNA GET THAT STUFF OUTTA THE BACK?
WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA DO IS, UH, DON'T DO THAT.
GOOD EVENING IS, UH, MR. SILER IS HERE AND HE HAS BEEN THE PEER EXPERT SINCE THE BEGINNING AND CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON UP TO DATE.
HOW Y'ALL DO? UM, YEAH, THE PIERS, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, WENT IN JUST SHY OF 20 YEARS AGO.
SO THERE ARE 18 FLOATING ESSENTIALLY BARGES DOWN THERE.
THEY'RE TIED TOGETHER, THEY'RE MADE OUTTA CONCRETE.
UH, 14 OF 'EM ARE 20 METERS LONG.
SO 66 FEET LONG, 21 FEET WIDE.
THEY'RE ALL ANCHORED IN PLACE WITH LARGE CONCRETE ANCHORS.
MOST OF THOSE ANCHORS ARE A HUNDRED YARDS OUTBOARD IN THE RIVER.
SO THEY'RE DOWN IN 80 FEET OF WATER.
UH, THE CHAIN, I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU GOT TO SEE A LINK OF THE CHAIN.
THE CHAIN WEIGHS 47 POUNDS PER LINEAR FOOT, AND THERE IS 650 TONS IF I REMEMBER RIGHT OF CHAIN OUT THERE.
WE'RE HOPING THAT CHAIN IS OKAY.
MOST OF IT'S DOWN IN THE MUD, IT'S JUST THE LAST 80 FEET OR SO THAT ARE OUT OF THE MUD.
UM, BUT WHAT DOES HAPPEN IS AS YOU GET UP TO THE, THE BARGES THEMSELVES, THE PIERS, THERE ARE SHACKLES THERE.
THE TWO AND A QUARTER INCH DIAMETER SHACKLES AND WELDERS RINGS THAT MAKE A BRIDLE THAT CONNECT THAT ALL TOGETHER.
SO AFTER 20 YEARS, UH, MANY OF YOU HAVE BOATS OR, OR ROUND BOATS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE RIGGING OCCASIONALLY, WELL, OUR 20 YEARS IS UP AND IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE RIGGING.
I'LL ADMIT, EVERY YEAR WE KIND OF SCRATCH OUR HEAD AND
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SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO PULL THE TRIGGER TOO SOON ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.UH, BUT SOME THINGS HAVE HAPPENED RECENTLY.
UH, THE PORT OF BALTIMORE FOR ONE, I THINK THAT'S IN THE BACK OF EVERYONE'S MIND THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE MARINE STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECOND WAS IF YOU SAW THE SMALLER SHACKLES FROM A NEARBY LOCATION THAT, UH, THE SAME COMPANY THAT MAINTAINS OUR PEER MAINTAINS THAT, AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME AS OURS, PRETTY MUCH IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DID THE DIVING AND STARTED REPLACING THINGS, THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN IT IS.
SO THEY'RE VERY CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW THAT WE MAY HAVE THOSE SAME PROBLEMS. SO AT ANY RATE, WE, WE WILL FIND OUT ONCE WE START THE REPLACEMENT, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT LAST ANOTHER FEW YEARS, BUT IT, IT IS TIME TO REPLACE IT.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF REPLACEMENT? IS IT, UM, IS IT THE SHACKLES AT THE BOTTOM OR IS IT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF CHAIN, OR HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT? THE SHACKLES ARE AT THE TOP? THERE'S A D-RING ON D-RING, FOUR D-RINGS THAT ARE CONNECTED INTO THE STRUCTURE OF THE, THE BARGES.
AND THOSE ARE CONNECTED BY SHACKLE TO A WELD LESS EYE.
AND THEN THOSE ARE CONNECTED BY SHACKLES TO THE CHAIN.
SO ALL THAT RIGGING, THAT SHACKLES AND D-RING AND THE WELD LESS EYE, THEY TAKE A REAL BEATING WITH THE WAVE ACTION AND THEY RUB AGAINST EACH OTHER.
AND EVERY YEAR WE HAVE THAT COMPANY GO OUT AND THEY DIVE AND THEY SCRAPE AWAY THE MARINE GROWTH THE BEST THEY CAN AND TAKE MIC READINGS ON THE DIAMETER OF THE STUFF AND TRY TO GAUGE HOW QUICKLY IT'S DETERIORATING.
AND, UH, WHAT THEY'LL DO THIS PROCESS, THEY, THEY PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO SET A WINCH UP ON THE BOARD OF THE, THE DOCK CONNECT, SEND DIVERS DOWN, CONNECT TO EACH CHAIN ON EACH SIDE, THEN THEY CAN WINCH THOSE TOGETHER.
AND THEN THEY USE A BARGE THAT'S THERE WITH A LARGE EXCAVATOR ON IT.
THEY CAN USE IT TO LIFT THE CHAIN.
ONCE THE SLACK'S IN IT BY THE BARGE OR THE WINCH, THEN THEY CAN REPLACE THE SHACKLE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SLACK IT BACK DOWN, GO BACK, REMOVE THOSE TEMPORARY SHACKLES.
AND THAT'S ONE, THERE'S 220 SOME SHACKLES TO BE REPLACED.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE LEASING OF THE BARGE AND THE TUGBOAT AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT MAKES THIS SO EXP AND THE, THE DIVING, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE BY DIVERS NOW TO, I BELIEVE MR. DREW'S QUESTION, WE, WE ARE GOING TO CHECK THE CHAIN.
UH, IT'S, IT REQUIRES DIVING DOWN TO 80 FEET AND THAT HAS ITS LIMITATIONS ON THE DIVERS.
BUT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REAL STRESS AND STRAIN ON THE CHAIN DOWN THERE SO MUCH.
BUT ELECTROLYSIS IS A REAL ISSUE.
SO WE, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT INSPECTION.
THIS'LL BE, UM, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WE HOPE WE FIND THE CHAIN IS, IS IN GREAT SHAPE.
SO HOW MANY CHAINS ARE THERE? THERE ARE ESSENTIALLY FOUR CHAINS ON EACH OF THE 18 BARGES.
UM, SO 72 CHAINS, THE ONES GOING OUT INTO THE RIVER ARE ALL A HUNDRED METERS LONG.
WELL ACTUALLY THE CHAINS THEMSELVES ARE ABOUT 400 FEET.
THEY GO OUT A HUNDRED METERS AND THEY HAVE THAT DRAPE IN THEM.
THE ONES IN BOARD, OF COURSE, ARE MUCH SHORTER.
AND THOSE, UM, THOSE ANCHORS ARE IN MUCH SHALLOWER WATER.
UH, AND THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES THIS A VERY COMPLICATED THING.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE BARGES CONNECTED TOGETHER, YOU HAVE ALL THESE WEIGHTS AND CHAINS.
WHEN YOU MESS WITH ONE, IF YOU MAKE IT A FEW INCHES LONGER OR SOME IT JUST THROWS THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S LIKE TRYING TO BALANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN EGGS IN THE AIR AT ONE TIME.
BUT, UM, THIS COMPANY, COASTAL DESIGN AND EQUIPMENT ARE THE PARTNER OF THE, UH, MANUFACTURER, WHICH IS IN YO DE BORE SWEDEN.
AND THEY'VE BEEN WITH US FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND WE HAVE A REAL ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS IS IN GLOUCESTER.
AND WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP HERE FROM CHARLESTON TO LOOK AT A, A FLOATING PIER SECTION, THEY TAKE THEM TO YORKTOWN.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK THEY PUT A LOT OF EXTRA POLISH AND WORK INTO OUR PEERS BECAUSE THEY WANT 'EM TO LOOK GOOD TOO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S THEIR PRODUCT AND EVERYTHING.
SO THIS RESOLUTION IS GIVING THEM, GIVING US A, UH, TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DAMAGE IS DOWN AT THIS POINT.
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THAT'S CORRECT.THIS IS A, THIS CONTRACT, THEY WILL REPLACE ALL 220 SOME SHACKLES.
THEY'LL REPLACE THE WELDER EYES.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T REPLACE THE D-RINGS 'CAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE PIER.
UH, THEY WILL ALSO, THERE'S ABOUT $70,000 WORTH OF REPAIRS IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT ON THE PIERS LATELY.
YOU KNOW, AT THE JOINTS WHERE THOSE PLATES GO ACROSS, WHEN A BIG WAVE COMES, THEY GET CRUNCHED AND THEY ALSO WEAR ALL THE TIME.
SO THEY GET SHARPENED ON THE BOTTOM.
ALL THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS PRICE.
WHAT THEY ARE ALSO GONNA DO IS THE INSPECTIONS ON THE CHAIN, IF THERE IS DAMAGE TO THE CHAIN OR PIECES OF IT, HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
THEY WILL BE COMING AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING INTO THIS BLIND ON THE CHAINS BASICALLY IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
WELL, WE INSPECT THE TOP PART THAT WE CAN REACH WITH THE DIVERS EASY EVERY YEAR.
AND WE THINK THE CHAINS ARE OKAY.
IT'S JUST, ACTUALLY IT WAS, IT WAS MY REQUEST.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE WENT AHEAD AND DOVE ALL THE WAY DOWN ON SOME OF THE CHAINS AND JUST MADE SURE THERE WASN'T SOMETHING FUNNY HAPPENING RIGHT AT THAT MUD WATER INTERFACE THAT WOULD GIVE US A BAD SURPRISE.
UM, WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN OVER THE YEARS FROM CHAIN THAT'S IN 10 FEET OF WATER AS OPPOSED TO CHAIN THAT'S IN 80 FEET OF WATER AS FAR AS CORROSION AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT? SO FAR THE, THE CHAIN HAS HELD UP WELL, WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SIGN OF ELECTROLYSIS ON IT.
THE WEAR WE'VE SEEN IS ON THE SIDES OF THOSE SHACKLES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT END TO END LENGTH.
THEY'RE SOMETHING LINKED INTO THE SIDE OF THE SHACKLES.
AND THOSE JUST WEAR WITH ALL THE, UH, THE WAVE, THE WAVE ACCIDENT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT IT WAS.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS PROBABLY TO MR. FULLER IS, UM, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN, I'M SURE IT'S NOT AN EXPENSIVE FIX FOR A DOCK BUILDER, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN EXPEC KIND OF CAUGHT US OFF GUARD.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY NOW, SHOULD WE NOT BE PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE CIP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE? IT, IT IS AND HAS BEEN IN THE C-I-P-C-P.
IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT AS, AS WE INSPECT IT, CAN WE GET A FEW MORE YEARS IN IT? I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IN NEXT YEAR'S CIP, BUT NOW WHEN WE'VE COME UP WITH THE INCIDENT AND THE INSPECTION, WE'VE HAD IT IN YEARS.
I THINK WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED ABOUT YEAR 15 BETWEEN 10 AND 15.
AND WE'RE AT YEAR 20, SO WE'VE BEEN INSPECTING IT EVERY YEAR.
SO WE'VE BEEN MOVING THAT AROUND, UH, AS, AS WE GET GOOD INSPECTION REPORTS.
SO IT ISN'T A-C-I-P-I MISSED IT ON CIP SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, SO, OKAY.
SO YOU, YOU JUST MENTIONED THE INCIDENT.
WHAT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU LOOKING AT THE, WHEN THEY BROUGHT US THAT, UH, THAT LINK FROM, UH, BALTIMORE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE INCIDENT? OH, THE, THE BALTIMORE INCIDENT, SIR.
I WAS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE SHIP THAT HIT THE BRIDGE.
WELL, WELL, YOU GOT THAT BOLT BACK THERE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THE LINK IT LOOKED LIKE REALLY CORRODED.
IT'S THE, THE, THOSE SHACKLES WERE FROM ANOTHER FLOATING SYSTEM NEARBY.
UM, I FORGET WHICH HARBOR THOSE ARE IN NOW, BUT, UM, THAT WAS ONE, THE, THE TIE TO THIS ONE WAS THEY, THAT ONE WAS OF THE SAME AGE AND THEY THOUGHT TWO, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK WITH ME EVERY YEAR AND WE DECIDE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ONE MORE YEAR.
UH, I ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR IT IN THE CIP AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND EACH YEAR WE JUST MOVE IT DOWN WHEN WE, WE THINK WE'RE OKAY.
AND UNTIL THEY WENT OUT AND REPLACED THAT ONE, THEY THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS OKAY.
AND WHEN THEY STARTED WORKING ON IT, THEY FOUND IT WAS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE.
I'M HOPEFUL THOSE ARE MUCH SMALLER SHACKLES.
OURS ARE TWO AND A QUARTER INCH DIAMETER AND TWO INCH DIAMETER.
UH, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE WON'T FIND THAT OURS WAS IN SUCH BAD SHAPE.
BUT WE HAVE REPLACED INDIVIDUAL SHACKLES IN THE PAST BECAUSE THEY'VE BROKEN, UM, AFTER VARIOUS STORM EVENTS, WE'VE MAYBE, UH, A TOTAL OF SIX OVER THE YEARS, BUT, OKAY.
SO THE, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A PERMISSION TO GO FORWARD WITH A CONTRACT TO ESTABLISH
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A CONTRACT FOR 800 800, ROUGHLY.AND, UH, AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN, UH, AS YOU, BECAUSE IF YOU SPEND, LIKE, YOU COME IN WITH A A HUNDRED PLUS THOUSAND ON SOME EVENT, YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US.
AND SO WE WILL GET UPDATES ON HOW THE WAY THE PEER IS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE PEERS TO STAY SAFE AND EXIST.
WE, WE GOT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING A LOT, REALLY HARD TO GET, GET THE, THE THINGS, ACTIVITIES DOWN THERE AND MM-HMM.
SO IT'S BEEN A REAL PLUS FOR, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, SO IT, IT JUST MAKES SENSE.
AND I, I AGREE WITH, UH, DWAYNE HERE ABOUT THE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS A MIL, ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS.
YOU WANT TO HAVE IT, YOU IT SHOULD BE IN CIP.
I MEAN, I, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
YOU, WHEN YOU, THIS, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER I TALKED ABOUT THE BUY-IN ON THE CIP MM-HMM.
HOW MS. SILER, HOW IS THE, HOW ARE THE CHANGE ANCHORED AT THE BOTTOM? THERE ARE 18 TON, UH, ANCHORS AND 13 TON ANCHORS.
SO BACK IN 2004, WHEN THE, UH, BARGES ARRIVED FROM YOBO, THEY WERE LOWERED DOWN OUT THERE, A HUNDRED METERS OUT WITH THE CHAIN ALREADY CONNECTED.
AND THEN THE CHAIN WAS BROUGHT IN AND CONNECTED TO THE FLOATS.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH INDIVIDUAL LINK, CAN WE REPLACE INDIVIDUAL LINKS OR DOES THE WHOLE CHAIN NEED TO NO, ABSOLUTELY.
IF WE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A WORST CASE SCENARIO IN MY MIND, IF WE FIND OUT THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE LAST 20 OR 30 FEET OF CHAIN, WE'LL JUST ADD A SHACKLE AND PUT A NEW 20 OR 30 FEET.
WE WON'T REPLACE ANY MORE THAN WE HAVE TO.
ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT 650,000 POUNDS OF CHAIN, JUST GETTING OUR HANDS ON IT, IT WOULD BE QUITE A STRUGGLE.
AND LAST QUESTION, MAY FOR MR. FULLER, WHEN WILL WE BE LOOKING TO DO THIS WORK? SEPTEMBER.
UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD START, UM, AS SOON AS WE COULD GET THE CONTRACT IN PLACE, GET THE CONTRACTOR LINED UP, WE WOULD WANT TO GET IT BE TO BEGIN THE WORK.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR TO HAVE THE PEERS DOWN AT A SERVICE.
SO WE CAN OPERATE, THINK THEY OPERATE, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PORTIONS OF THE P ALL WE, WE'LL NEVER CLOSE MORE THAN HALF OF ONE OF THE TWO PIERS.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET A HURRICANE COMES THROUGH HERE AND YOU GOTTA HAVE THE LINK OFF? WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OH, WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT, SIR.
YOU KNOW, WE GET ENOUGH AHEAD TIME, WE WON'T GET IN THAT SITUATION.
LAST ONE I WANTED TO PULL WAS FOR MR. WHITE.
SO WE'RE REPLACING SWITCHES IN TWO LOCATIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THESE ARE, SO TELL ME, GIMME SOME DETAILS.
WELL, AND WHY ARE WE REPLACE 'EM? OKAY.
SO WE DON'T REPLACE 'EM JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE OLD AND WE DECIDE WE WANNA SPEND MONEY.
IT GOES OFF OF WHEN CISCO STOPS SUPPORTING THEM.
SO CISCO RELEASES A DATE THAT THESE SERIES OF SWITCHES BOXES, THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO GIVE SECURITY PATCHES AS OF THE STATE.
SO WE TAKE THAT TIMELINE AND WE WORK BACKWARDS.
HOW LONG DO WE NEED TO INSTALL THIS FOR DISRUPTION? HOW LONG DO WE NEED TO GET THE HARDWARE? AND THEN WE START THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE VENDORS ABOUT HOW CAN WE GET THE BEST PRICE IN ORDER TO MEET ALL THOSE TIMELINES.
SO EVERYTHING IS BASED UPON CISCO NO LONGER SUPPORTING OUR CURRENT SWITCHES.
WE CAN'T GET SECURITY UPDATES AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE SWITCHES APPROVED IN PLACE BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
SO WHEN OF THESE GO IN INTO SERVICE LIFE, END OF SERVICE LIFE, THE NEW ONES OR THE ONES WERE, THE ONES ARE USUALLY REPLACED.
THE ONES WE'RE REPLACING IS APRIL, 2025.
SO WHAT THESE ARE FOR KIND OF THE LAY PERSON IS WE HAVE 3000 CABLES THAT TOOK TO PCS, PRINTERS, WIRELESS ACCESS POINTS, WHATEVER, 3000 CABLES.
THEY ALL RUN TWO BOXES CALLED SWITCHES IN EACH BUILDING.
ALL THOSE BOXES COME UP TO THESE TWO CORE SWITCHES.
ONE AT GOODWIN NECK, ONE AT YORKTOWN.
EVERY PIECE OF DATA THAT THE COUNTY DOES FROM DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS TO PUBLIC WORKS FIRE AND LIFE SAFE TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ALL RUNS AT ONE POINT THROUGH THIS TO GET TO THE SERVERS, TO GET TO THE INTERNET.
SO ALL DATA RUNS THROUGH THESE BOXES.
WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU WANT? WELL, I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS IN THE SERVICE LIFE ISSUE, WHICH, WHICH IT IS.
AND SO WHEN WE TAKE IT OUT OF PLACE, A BUILDING ISN'T THAT BAD.
IT, WE HAVE ABOUT A MONTH PREPARATION.
WE WARN PEOPLE IT'S OVER A WEEKEND.
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TURN IT OFF.BOTH OF THESE SWITCHES WILL TAKE DOWN THE ENTIRE NETWORK, ALL COUNTY OPERATIONS FOR SEVERAL DAYS.
WE SWAP, IT'S 500 CABLES ON EACH ONE OF THESE.
AND IT'S VERY METICULOUS THING.
SO IT WILL TAKE US ALMOST ONCE WE PHYSICALLY GET THEM IN, IT WILL TAKE US ALMOST A YEAR TO SCHEDULE, GET THE GAME PLAN, DO EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO YOU TAKE THAT APRIL TIMELINE, YOU GO A YEAR BACK, IT WAS IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S WHY WE, WE BUDGET, WE KNEW WE WOULD NEED OVER A YEAR.
NORMALLY WE WOULD DRAG OUR FEET HONESTLY AND WAIT TILL THE WINTER ORDER.
HOWEVER, WITH THIS, WE STARTED TO WORK WITH OUR SALES REPS.
WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM.
A LOT OF COUNTIES AND STUFF COULD SAY IT'S ON A CONTRACT, WE'RE GONNA PAY THIS PRICE AND WE'RE DONE.
AND YOU USUALLY GET SEVEN, THE LIST PRICE IS 75% OF MSRP.
SO YOU GET LIKE A QUARTER DISCOUNT WITH THE CONTRACTS AND IT MEETS ALL REGULATIONS IN YOUR COUNTY.
THAT'S THE START OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS.
JUST TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT, WE WORKED WITH OUR VENDORS, WE DID EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE TRY TO SHOOT FOR DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS OF WHEN IS THAT MANUFACTURER'S END OF THE QUARTER, WHAT IS THEIR END OF THEIR FISCAL YEAR? CISCO'S INTO THEIR FISCAL YEAR IS THE END OF THIS MONTH.
AND RIGHT NOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY WANT THEIR NUMBERS UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THIS PRICE THAT'S THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED OFF OF IS 33% OF MSRP.
WE WILL NOT GET THAT PRICING AGAIN.
SO THE OTHER CONCEPT THAT WE KIND OF, HEY, QUESTION ANSWER.
LET'S LOOK AT THIS AT ALL ANGLES.
SO IF WE'RE BUYING IT SIX TO NINE MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE MM-HMM
WELL, DOESN'T THAT MEAN IT'LL DIE SIX TO NINE MONTHS EARLIER AND WE'RE WASTING THAT MONEY? IN THIS CASE, THE ANSWER'S NO.
THE CISCO SWITCHES WILL LAST A LONG TIME.
THEY ALWAYS, THE HARDWARE KNOCK ON WOOD,
WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS CISCO DROP SUPPORT NO LONGER GIVES PATCHES TO IT.
SO THE DIFFERENCE OF NINE MONTHS OF THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THIS UNIT WILL NOT AFFECT IT.
CISCO WILL STOP SUPPORTING THE UPDATES AND STUFF BEFORE WE HIT THAT PERIOD.
SO WE HAVE A VERY NICE OPPORTUNITY.
WE KNEW WE HAD TO DO IT THIS FISCAL YEAR RATHER THAN WAITING SIX, NINE MONTHS, WHICH WE CAN DO.
IF WE DO IT NOW, CISCO, IT'S THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
THE VENDOR WORKED VERY HARD WITH THEM FOR MONTHS.
MARK EON ON MY STAFF, WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THIS PRICING, WHICH IS AMAZING.
THE NEGOTIATIONS, UM, WHO'S GONNA DO THE DEPLOYMENT? OUR STAFF.
THAT'S WHO DOES IT ALL? WE WE'LL DO IT IN HOUSE.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE OLD EQUIPMENT? IT USUALLY, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S AT.
SOMETIMES WE CAN SURPLUS EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS WITH CISCO NOT SUPPORTING PATCHES, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A MARKET FOR IT.
BUT THESE ITEMS ARE SOME OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE NETWORK EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
SO WHEN THAT TIME COMES, PROBABLY WE'LL GET THIS SWAPPED OUT.
MAY, JUNE OF THE UPCOMING YEAR, ALMOST A FULL YEAR FROM NOW, WE'LL DO A MARKET ANALYSIS AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S COST EFFECTIVE.
IF THERE'S A MARKET TO BE ABLE TO SELL AND RECOUP SOME OF THE COSTS ON THE HARDWARE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY WIPE ALL OF OUR DATA OFF OUR CONFIGURATIONS.
SO IT IS RESELLABLE AS LONG AS THERE'S A MARKET.
QUESTION MR. W YOU, UH, YOU INDICATED IN HERE THE CISCO SWITCH, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT TWO, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TYPE OF, THERE'S TWO SWITCHES, IT'S TWO CHASSIS, AND YOU'RE CHANGING BOTH ONE AT YOUR TIME.
AND, AND ONE, THERE'LL BE A TWO SEPARATE TIMES, WE'LL ORDER 'EM TOGETHER TO, DUE TO THE PRICING.
ONE WILL PROBABLY BE SWAPPED OUT IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IN THE MAY TIMEFRAME.
AND MY QUESTION WAS, YOU HAVE DUAL REDUNDANCIES.
SO ONE SWITCH WILL OPERATE ALL SYSTEMS. GREAT QUESTION.
SO IT, IT'S FOR SIMPLISTIC TERMS, I SAY A SWITCH AND IT IS A BOX.
THAT BOX HAS A BOARD IN IT, BUT NO OTHER LOGIC IN IT.
IT HAS 10 SLOTS IN EACH ONE OF THESE BOXES.
TWO OF THOSE SLOTS ARE WHAT'S CALLED SUPERVISORS.
SO WHEN WE UPDATE ONE THAT'S ON ONE SUPERVISOR, EVERYTHING FAILS OVER DOWN TO THE OTHER AND BACK UP SO THAT THERE'S NO DOWNTIME BETWEEN IT.
THESE ARE THE CHASSIS USED ON AN, YOU KNOW, LARGE ENTERPRISES.
SO IT'S ONE BOX, BUT IT'S A BOX WITH TWO SUPERVISORS.
SO YES, THERE'S THE REDUNDANCY, REDUNDANCY, REDUNDANCY BETWEEN THE TWO SITES, REDUNDANCIES AND THE DIFFERENT SITES.
THE SERVERS ARE ALWAYS IN ONE.
JUST LIKE IF A THIS PC IS HOOKED UP TO A BOX OF SWITCH AND THIS BUILDING AND THAT ONE GOES DOWN, THERE'S ONLY ONE CABLE GOING THERE.
SO THERE'S AS MUCH REDUNDANCY AS WE CAN BUILD INTO THE SYSTEM.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? IF NOT GONNA HAVE A, UH, HAVE A MOTION PLEASE.
CAN WE, UH, HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO PROVE THE, IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
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MR. DREWRY? YES.NOW WE WILL GO AND TO FINISH UP OUR SIX O'CLOCK HOUR AND GO INTO OUR MATTERS BY SUPERVISORS AND GET BACK TO THE RIGHT PAGE AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THEN WITH THAT, I THINK WE'LL START TO MY PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
WE'RE GONNA DO MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'LL START TO MY RIGHT.
UM, AS I BEGIN WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, I WANT TO THANK PASTOR MCGRUDER FOR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HE MADE IN HIS PRAYER.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN A RATHER TUMULTUOUS TIME FOR US ALL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND BROUGHT TO MIND TO ME.
UH, WONDER IF YOU REMEMBER THE, THE, THE CHILD IS TAUGHT, IF I COULD SAY THAT RIGHT.
STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES, BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME.
I WONDER IF THAT'S REALLY TRUE.
IN THESE POLITICAL TIMES, THE RHETORIC AND THE NAME CALLING ARE ACTUALLY AIMED AT HURTING AN OPPONENT AND DIMINISHING HIM IN OTHER PEOPLE'S EYES OR HER RATHER THAN REASONABLE CONVERSATION OR DISCOURSE.
POLITICIANS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS ARE RESORTING TO NAME CALLING AND THEY'RE USING INCENDIARY WORDS TO TEAR DOWN THEIR OPPOSITION.
THIS IS A LONG GONE, THIS HAS LONG GONE ON AS PART OF THE POLITICAL GAME.
BUT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS MADE THIS MUCH TOO EASY.
AND THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BEHAVIOR, WHETHER ON THE INTERNET OR IN THE MEDIA, I THINK MUST SHOULDER SOME OF THE BLAME STIRRING UP THE PUBLIC'S EMOTIONS RATHER THAN LETTING ISSUES STAND OUT AND PREVAIL, HMM.
HAS BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
AND AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF A CANDIDATE WHO IS RUNNING FOR THIS NATION'S HIGHEST OFFICE.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS UNREAL.
EACH OF US HAS A RESPONSIBILITY IN WHAT WE SAY TO OTHERS, WHAT WE WRITE TO OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE SAY OR WRITE IS TRUE.
AND NOT AN EMO, NOT AN EMOTIONAL APPEAL TO GET PEOPLE TO THINK THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO THINK.
SO I THINK, I THINK THIS COUNTRY, THE PENDULUM SWINGS BOTH WAYS.
THIS COUNTRY HAS SURVIVED MANY, MANY ISSUES.
AMERICA IS SPECIAL, AND WE WILL SURVIVE AND WE WILL PREVAIL, BUT IT TAKES EACH ONE OF US TO DO OUR SHARE.
AND SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT THIS MEETING.
I KNOW YOU'RE ALL ENJOYING YOUR SUMMERS AND, AND THE BEACHES AND WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING ON YOUR VACATIONS, BUT DO SAVE A LITTLE TIME FOR INTROSPECTION.
DO SAVE A LITTLE TIME FOR THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY BEFORE YOU SAY IT.
I ACTUALLY HAD SEVERAL ITEMS. UM, SO WITH THE BOARD'S SUPPORT, UH, I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM.
HOUSTON WENT THROUGH A PRETTY DEVASTATING STORM LAST WEEK WITH A HURRICANE BARREL.
AND, UH, OVER 2 MILLION RESIDENTS WITHOUT POWER FOR A VERY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
MY SON GOT POWER BACK LAST NIGHT, SO THAT WAS AFTER EIGHT, EIGHT, ALMOST NINE DAYS WITHOUT POWER.
THERE WERE MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT WERE IN THE SAME SITUATION.
I WOULD REQUEST, UH, HER, UH, DEPUTY, UH, ADMINISTRATOR TO CONSIDER REQUESTING A STATE OF READINESS REPORT FROM DOMINION.
ARE WE PREPARED FOR THAT KIND OF AN EVENT? MM-HMM.
IT DID DUMP A FAIR BIT OF RAIN, BUT IT WAS SURPRISING JUST HOW SLOW THEY WERE TO BE ABLE TO MOBILIZE.
THEY DID NOT APPEAR TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OR THE RESOURCES TO DO THE REPAIRS.
AND THAT'S REALLY AT THE HEART OF READINESS.
AND I, I GUESS WITH THE BOARD SUPPORT, I'D ASK THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH DOMINION TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A READINESS REPORT.
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IT'S NOT A NEW ONE.UM, TRANQUILITY SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
UH, WE CONTINUED, HE LEFT TO HAVE OUR CHALLENGES, UM, BACK IN MAY.
MR. UH, BELLAMY AND I MET WITH, UH, PETE HENDERSON OF HENDERSON, UH, HENDERSON INC.
AND, UH, REVIEWED THE ISSUES WE WERE HAVING WITH TRUCKS ARRIVING AT, UH, AT, UH, LATE AT NIGHT OR EARLY IN THE MORNING.
THEY HAVE A CURFEW ON THAT JOB FROM 7:00 PM TO 7:00 AM THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE, THE PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE, UH, UTILIZING SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
UM, IN LATE MAY, I HAD A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH MR. HENDERSON BECAUSE THE SITUATION HAD NOT GONE AWAY.
IN EARLY JULY, WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A PUSH BUTTON ON THE SWING GATE THAT THEY'VE INSTALLED THAT ALLOWS THE TRUCKERS TO STEP OUTTA THEIR CAB, HIT THE PUSH BUTTON, OPEN THE GATE, AND, AND PROCEED.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S A NUMBER OF TRUCKS ARRIVING AT FOUR 30 IN THE MORNING, AND THE RESIDENTS DON'T NEED THAT.
YOU HEAR THESE BIG TRUCKS RUMBLING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, MR. HENDERSON AND I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS TODAY.
UM, I HAD THREATENED TO LOCK THE GATE
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I SAID, I NEED YOUR HELP.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITUATION GOES AWAY.
WE ASKED FOR 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
I THINK AS CEO OF THAT CORPORATION, HE'S RESPONSIBLE, HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUBS WORKING IN THAT, IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND HE'S AGREED TO, UH, TAKE THAT AWAY.
AND HE'S AGREED TO REMOVE THE PUSH BUTTON THAT ALLOWS THE, UH, THE DRIVERS TO, UH, ENTER THE SITE AT ODD HOURS.
I'M NOT ASKING THE BOARD FOR ANYTHING ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT, UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE ISSUE.
UH, SO WE'VE HAD, UM, A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THE QUEENS LAKE DAM, ON THE RAVINE REPAIRS, AND ON ULTIMATELY ON THE DREDGING OF THAT LAKE.
UM, CONGRESSMAN WHITMAN JOINED, UH, SENATOR DIGGS AND MYSELF, AND SEVERAL FROM QUEENS LAKE BACK IN MAY.
AND HE HAS AGREED TO APPROACH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, UH, FOR THE PROJECT WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW ON THE COLONIAL PARKWAY.
HE FEELS THAT THE WATER THAT DRAINS THROUGH THE PARKWAY INTO THOSE RAVINES IS THE PARKWAY'S RESPONSIBILITY.
AND SINCE THERE'S $120 MILLION ASSIGNED TO THE PARKWAY PROJECT, UH, AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPER ROUTING OF THAT DRAINAGE WATER, HE WANTS TO APPROACH THEM FOR, UH, THEIR SHARE OF THE REPAIRS ON QUEENS LAKE.
UH, HE HAS ASKED THAT THE BOARD, THE YORK COUNTY BOARD, UH, ENDORSE HIS APPROACH WITH A RESOLUTION, UH, SUPPORTING HIM IN GOING TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR REMUNERATION OF THEIR SHARE OF THE COSTS.
SO WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WE WOULD HAVE RESOLUTION BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE AUGUST 6TH BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
HIM BEING SENATOR DIGGS OR CONGRESSMAN WHITMAN.
I HAD ONE, UH, ONE OTHER ITEM HERE.
UM, AS YOU LOOK AT THE CIP AND YOU SPEND TIME, UH, REVIEWING IT, YOU SEE A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT ON BUILDINGS, WHETHER IT'S ON THIS BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S ON THE, ON THE COURTHOUSE, WHETHER IT'S ON THE EDA BUILDINGS, WHETHER IT'S FINANCE BUILDINGS.
IT STRIKES ME THAT, THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO A LOT OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE PERIPHERY.
BUT WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD REQUEST THAT AS PART OF OUR NEXT CIP, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COME BACK TO US WITH A PLAN OF WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO REPLACE OUR CURRENT ADMIN BUILDING ON THE SAME SITE, THE SAME FOOTING, SO IN THE PARKING LOT AREA, THAT WOULD THEN CUT THE COST OF ALL OF THESE OTHER UPGRADES THAT ARE POTENTIALLY BEING CONSIDERED DOCK MASTER, ET CETERA.
UM, IF, IF THE BOARD'S SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNTY PULL THAT FORWARD AND DO, UH, DO AN ENGINEERING STUDY, UH, FOR US SO THAT WE COULD REVIEW THAT OPTION, UH, IN NEXT YEAR'S CIP.
WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE, SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
UM, ONE, UM, I DO WANT TO AGREE WITH SHEILA ABOUT, UH, THE STATE THAT OUR COUNTRY IS IN.
UM, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS DRIVING A LOT OF THE HATE AND DISCONTENT, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN PICK IT UP AND SEE IT ALL DAY LONG.
UM, THE THING THAT SADDENS ME IS SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS
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ABOUT THINGS LIKE, WELL, WHY DID YOU MISS MM-HMM,I, SOMEBODY TRIED TO KILL A MAN THAT WAS RUNNING FOR THE, AS SHEILA SAID, THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN OUR COUNTRY.
AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE FEEDING THE FIRE AND SAYING STUPID STUFF LIKE, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MISSED.
GREAT JOB FOR TRYING, BUT YOU FAILED.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF COMMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN.
OUR OUR WORLD, ESPECIALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, IS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.
AND, AND WE, THE PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
AND, AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS TO STOP FEEDING INTO THE FIRE OF HATE AND DISCONTENT.
SO IF YOU'RE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOU'RE FEEDING INTO THE HATE AND DISCONTENT, I WOULD PLEAD AND PRAY THAT YOU WOULD STOP THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
AS LONG AS PEOPLE CAN HIDE BEHIND A SCREEN AND SAY ALL THE DUMB STUFF THAT THEY SAY.
THE VICIOUS INTENT BEHIND PEOPLE'S WORDS IS HORRIBLE.
I NEVER IN MY WILDEST DREAMS WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WE'D BE SITTING IN THIS, THIS PARLOR HERE AND, AND TALKING ABOUT THE STUFF THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S GOING OVER SOCIAL MEDIA NOW.
WE'VE HAD PRESIDENTS ASSASSIN BEFORE, ASSASSINATED BEFORE.
WE HAVE FREEDOM HERE IN OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FREEDOM'S BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM US BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE SOMEBODY AND THEY'RE GONNA PULL A GUN OUT AND TRY TO SHOOT 'EM.
SO I'M JUST PLEADING WITH EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE AND EVERYBODY'S LISTENING, PLEASE STOP FEEDING INTO THE HATE AND DISCONTENT IN OUR COUNTRY, AND LET'S GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST HEARTFELT MESSAGE THAT I CAN GIVE YOU TONIGHT.
UM, A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF THINGS.
I DO WANNA LIGHTEN THE, THE MOOD A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I, I WANTED TO SAY HOW, UM, UH, PRIVILEGED I WAS TO GO TO GERMANY, TO OUR SISTER CITIES.
SO I BROKE IN, UM, WITH SHEILA AND DOUG AND, AND, UH, MR. FULLER DOWN THERE AND BRIAN AND HIS WIFE.
UM, UH, WE HAD A, I I DID, I HAD A GREAT TIME.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT OUR SISTER CITY.
I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT WHAT, UH, WHAT, UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, HAVING ALLIES.
AND, UH, THEY CAME TO OUR RESCUE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS THE FRENCH CAME TO OUR RESCUE, AND WITHOUT THEM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE READ OUT NINE AND READ OUT 10, WHICH ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS, WHAT HELPED US WIN OUR WAR AND, AND GET OUR FREEDOM HERE.
SO, UH, WE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS OVER THERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE MAYOR AND HIS, UH, SOME OF HIS DELEGATION.
UM, THEY TREATED US EXTREMELY WELL.
WE GOT TO TOUR SOME FACILITIES, SOME BEAUTIFUL CATHOLIC CHURCHES, UM, PARLIAMENT.
AND, UH, WE GOT TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR GOVERNMENT AND HOW, UH, THEY RUN THEIR GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO HERE.
AND THINK HOW MANY, THEY HAD LIKE 16 DIFFERENT PARTIES, I GUESS IT IS.
AND SO THEY HAVE 101 DELEGATES IS WHAT IT IS.
AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, IT WAS QUITE DIFFERENT.
I HAD A GREAT TIME AND, UH, UM, ENJOYED THE COMPANY.
SOME GREAT PEOPLE THAT WE, UH, SPENT TIME WITH, HAD DINNER WITH, UM, TRAVELED WITH AND, UH, GOT TO SEE SOME OF GERMANY AND WE WENT INTO FRANCE ONE DAY AND GOT TO SEE SOME OF THAT AS WELL.
SO I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IT'S NOT ON OUR TAXPAYER DIME.
UH, WE, WE INDIVIDUALLY TOOK CARE OF OUR EXPENSES GOING OVER THERE AND, UH, AND THAT WAS, THEY WERE VERY GRACIOUS ONCE WE GOT THERE TO HELP GET SOME FOOD AND PLACES FOR US TO STAY AND STUFF.
WAYNE, YOU FORGOT TO MENTION STUTTGART.
I DID FORGET TO MENTION THAT THAT WAS, UH, YEAH, DOUG AND I TOOK A LITTLE SIDETRACK ONE DAY AND OH YES, YOU DID
IT WAS, UH, WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE RAIL SYSTEM OVER THERE BECAUSE THE FIRST TRAIN THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CATCH, WE GET THERE THREE MINUTES EARLY AND IT ALREADY LEFT.
AND WE HAD TO WAIT, WASN'T SHOW UP AT ALL THE TRAIN, AND WE HAD TO WAIT, WAIT AN HOUR TO GET THE NEXT TRAIN.
AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING AT UBERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TRYING TO GET OVER THERE, BUT DOUG HAD TO GO TO THE PORSCHE MUSEUM, SO I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO GO BY HIMSELF.
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I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO GET LOST.SO, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GO OVER TO THE PORSCHE MUSEUM FOR THE, FOR THE PART OF A DAY, AND THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
SO, UM, REAL QUICK, UH, WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, 'CAUSE I, I SPOKE WITH THE KIWANIS, UH, CLUB TODAY AND, UH, THEY MENTIONED RECYCLE.
AND UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, BRIAN HAS PUT OUT SOME STUFF WITH THAT RECYCLING.
OF COURSE RECYCLING IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
NOT EVERYTHING THAT WAS BEING RECYCLED CAN BE RECYCLED NOW.
AND AS I WAS TELLING THEM, UH, ON MY MOM AND DAD'S, UM, RECYCLED, CAN THEY STILL HAVE THE STICKER ON TOP THAT HAS EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RECYCLED, RIGHT? SO JUST KNOW THAT, UH, YOUR COUNTY, UH, ADMINISTRATION IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF GETTING VIDEOS OUT, UH, TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T PUT IN THE RECYCLE BINS.
AND, UH, I WILL SAY THIS, AS I SAID TODAY, UH, I WISH WE COULD FIGURE OUT THE WAY THEY FIGURED IT IN GERMANY BECAUSE THEIR RECYCLE PROGRAM OVER THERE IS AMAZING.
THEY, THEY HAVE FOUR BINS AND THEY COMPOST A A, A BUNCH OF STUFF.
THEY, THEY BUY YOUR BOTTLES BACK.
AND THEY RECYCLE ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UH, SOMEHOW WE NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR RECYCLE PEOPLE OVER THERE AND GO, HEY, HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING IT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SEE TRASH OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU WENT TO GET A DRINK, YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THE GLASS IF YOU WERE GONNA WALK OFF SITE WITH IT, AND THEN YOU GET YOUR DEPOSIT BACK IF YOU TOOK IT BACK.
SO, UM, REALLY, REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY OVER THERE.
UM, AND THE LAST THING IS, UH, JUST WANTED TO UPDATE PEOPLE ON THE GLY ROAD AND 2 38 PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN A FOUR-WAY.
I JUST GOT A LETTER FROM ROSSI CARROLL TODAY.
BASICALLY IT'S, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND SO, UM, I THINK HE WAS JUST GETTING A THUMBS UP FOR THE LAST, UH, CHECK BOX.
AND SO THAT SHOULD BE, UH, STARTED AND GETTING UNDERWAY HERE SOON.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.
I'M GONNA JUST NOT SAY ANYTHING TODAY.
SO I'LL, I'LL FINISH UP REAL QUICK.
UM, MR. KRIEGER, THANK YOU FOR YOU, YOU AND YOUR TEAM TAKING CARE OF THAT PROBLEM ON WELL, GOODWIN NECK ROAD AND COOK ROAD.
I GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE, THE IMPACT RESIDENTS AND, UH, THEY SAID A BIG IMPROVEMENT THERE, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
IN, IN SIMILAR VEIN THOUGH, TIMELY, UM, UM, HEADS UP I GOT, UM, AT THE CROSSING ON DARE ROAD INTO DARE ELEMENTARY FROM THE APARTMENTS, UM, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH SHRUBBERY AND BRANCHES COVERING UP THE, THE CROSSWALK SIGN, THE COST OF VISIBILITY ISSUE.
CAN I GET THAT ON YOUR AGENDA PLEASE? AND ALSO, UM, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING ABOUT DO WE KNOW IF VDOT OR VDO T'S AGENDA ARE PLANS FOR DOING ANY DITCH CLEAN ADD ALONG DARE ROAD AND LAKESIDE DRIVE.
THEY'RE SEEING PROBLEMS WHERE THE, UH, THE DRAINAGE BACKING UP AND ENVIRONMENTS ARE GETTING IN THERE AND CAUSE US SOME PROBLEMS. SO I DON'T, WHAT, WHAT I CAN DO IS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'LL REACH OUT TO WILLIAM RAWLS AND, AND GET BACK WITH YOU, SEND YOU AN EMAIL AND, AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
AND, UM, UM, RELATED TO ALL THAT, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING UP A PEDESTRIAN LIGHT OR SOME TYPE OF LIGHT AT THAT CROSSWALK FROM THE APARTMENTS ACROSS DARE ROAD INTO DELL ELEMENTARY, EVERYBODY GOING THERE TO USE THE FACILITIES OVER THERE.
UM, HOW, HOW DO WE INITIATE THAT? WHAT'S, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE LOOK INTO THAT? THAT'S A, A PUBLIC WORKS PROBLEM, NOT A PROBLEM, BUT A PROCESS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND SEE WILL BE THEIR PROBLEM.
WHEN I GET DONE WITH THE MEETING TONIGHT,
AND THE COMMENT WE GOT EARLIER, MRS. MCCAIN ABOUT THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, PARTIES AND CONCERTS AND WHATNOT AT THE MARINA, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS, I DIDN'T EITHER, WAS HAPPENING.
UM, IS, IS THAT PERMITTED USE, UM, SOMEONE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT WOULD'VE, THERE'S A NOISE ORDINANCE AND IF IT'S, IT IS A MATTER OF, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALL COPACETIC OR NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
SO WE GOT SPECIAL USE FOR MEDICAL, UH, YES.
SO, UM, TO ADDRESS THE, UM, TEMPORARY EVENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THOSE DID RECEIVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT FROM THE ZONING OFFICE.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HOST THOSE EVENTS, UM, FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE AUTHORIZED FOR.
AND WE DO HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT THE SHERIFF ENFORCE.
UM, SO, AND ESSENTIALLY IF THERE'S NEEDS A COMPLAINT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, UM, IF THERE'S VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THAT CHANNEL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GREAT THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE DIALED BACK SO THAT PEOPLE ACROSS THE THE CREEK AREN'T EFFECTIVE FORCED TO BE PARTICIPATING, WHETHER THEY DON'T WANT, WHETHER THEY WANT TO OR NOT.
SO THEY'RE, OH, WELL MR. AND MRS. HALL ARE HERE TONIGHT, UM, ABOUT THEIR OTHER CASE OKAY.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN DISCUSS WITH THEM.
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YOU.AND I'M GONNA JUST FINISH UP REAL QUICK KIND OF THEME OF THE NIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, PRAYERS GO BACK TO, UM, FOLKS THAT LOST FAMILY AND FRIENDS THIS WEEKEND OF THE TRAGIC EVENT IN PENNSYLVANIA.
UH, SOME INNOCENT PEOPLE, AUTHOR LOST THEIR LIVES THERE.
SO PEREZ GREW TO THOSE FAMILIES AND, AND FRIENDS IMPACTED BY THAT.
THOSE THAT WERE WOUNDED, PRAY FOR SWIFT AND FULL RECOVERY AND GIVE THANKS TO THE, UM, THE PRIVATE CITIZENS AND THE PROFESSIONALS THAT JUMPED IN TO RENDER AID AS QUICKLY AS THEY DID.
UM, IT WAS TRULY A REMARKABLE EVENT, PEOPLE JUMPING IN LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY UNDER DURESS, UNDER FIRE, UM, THAT WAS FAN THAT REALLY IMPRESSED THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT IN THIS COUNTRY.
UM, THEY STEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND LIKE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE THING WE LEARNED FROM THIS WEEKEND IS THAT WORDS HAVE POWER AND IT CAN DRIVE PEOPLE TO GREAT PURPOSE.
WHETHER THAT PURPOSE IS FOR GOOD OR ILL, DEPENDING UPON IT DEPENDS UPON THE WORDS AND THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THE WORDS.
AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE NOW AFTER THE EVENTS FROM SATURDAY, THIS COUNTRY CAN TAKE A COLLECTIVE DEEP BREATH, KIND OF REASSESS ITSELF AND TRY TO MOVE BACK TO MORE CIVIL POLITICAL DISCOURSE TO WE NEED IT.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE WHAT WE SEE, WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T SETTLE DIFFERENCES LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT, WE, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.
SO I'M HOPEFUL AS A NATION THAT WE WILL TURN TO SOME CIVILITY, ALTHOUGH MR. JURY SAID SOME OF, I SAW SOME OF THE SAME COMMENTS.
SO, UM, THE CONCERNED, BUT HOPEFULLY THOSE FOLKS ARE ALL, ALL THE OUTLIERS AND THEY'LL, AND THEY'LL QUICKLY GET SHOUTED DOWN THAT IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.
AND, AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT ALREADY HAPPEN WITH POSTS BEING REMOVED AND, AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, AGAIN, LET'S JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH STEP BACK AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST PATH FORWARD AND GET BACK TO SOME CIVILITY.
SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A QUICK RECESS AND THEN GET INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
[1. Child Development Resources, Inc. Lease Agreement: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-61 to authorize the County Administrator to execute a Lease Agreement with Child Development Resources, Inc., a non-profit Virginia Corporation, for the operation of an early childhood care and developmental service in the Griffin-Yeattes building located on Government Road commencing on July 1, 2024 ending June 30, 2025. ]
ALL RIGHT FOLKS.WE'RE RECONVENE OUR MEETING AND GET INTO OUR, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, PLEASE FILL A SHEET OUT AND GET IT AT THE FRONT DESK.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, FIRST ITEM, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT.
UH, MR. FULLER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, UH, UNDER CONFUSION WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS, BUT THIS IS A ONE YEAR LEASE FOR CDR TO LEASE SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES, UH, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I HAVE STAFF HERE AND PAUL SCOTT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES, UH, MS. NEWCOMB HAVE ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO SHARE OR WE'RE THANK YOU.
LEASE AGREEMENT AND PREVIOUSLY WE'VE DONE THREE YEAR DISAGREE, BUT, UM, WE HAVE A MICROPHONE.
MIKE MIKE'S NOT ON THAT IS, DID I NEED, SORRY.
THIS IS A ONE YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST.
IT'S BEEN DONE FOR LIKE THREE YEARS.
UM, BUT, UH, MR. SCOTT AND THE CDR ARE GONNA BE MOVING OUT AT THE, UH, END OF THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR.
SO WE ONLY, UM, DID THE LEASE FOR A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT AND IT IS FOR CLASSROOM SPACE AT GRIFFIN YATES.
LEASE IS FROM WHEN TO WHEN? UM, IT WILL BE FROM JULY 1ST TO JUNE 30TH.
UM, THEY SERVE 16 CHILDREN, UM, AT THE GRIFFIN YATES SITE, UH, EARLY HEAD START CHILDREN, WHICH IS BIRTH TO 36 MONTHS, UM, OF AGE.
UM, WE WORK REAL CLOSELY WITH, UM, CDR AND THAT WHEN THOSE CHILDREN AGE OUT AT 36 MONTHS OF AGE, IF WE HAVE A SPOT, AND TYPICALLY WE MAY THAT THEY WOULD COME INTO THE HEAD START PROGRAM.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FULLER OR MRS. NEWCOMB? NO, I JUST, ONE QUESTION.
WHY WOULD WE NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A DONATION RATHER THAN A LEASE? MR. FULLER MIGHT ASK THAT ANSWER THAT.
UH, I GUESS THE ATTORNEY CAN DO THAT.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY WITH ALL LEASES OF SPACE OR COUNTY PROPERTY, WE HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC AREA.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LEASE, MEANING THAT IT'S, IT, WE STILL OWN THE PROPERTY AND IT'S BEING LEASED TO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THEIR USE.
AND UNDER STATE CODE WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ALL THOSE.
THERE'S NO, I JUST DON'T CONSIDER DOLLAR LIMIT OR I DON'T CONSIDER A DOLLAR OUT LEASE.
I, I'D CALL IT WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS A DONATION.
WELL, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU MEAN LIKE HONG KONG AND THE PANAMA CANAL
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ONE THING TO CONSIDER, UM, ALSO AS WELL IS, UM, MR. SCOTT AND THE CDR PROGRAM, THEY HAVE TO GENERATE SO MUCH IN KIND, UM, TO SECURE THEIR GRANT.SO THEY'RE ABLE TO USE WHAT THE ACTUAL VALUE WOULD BE TOWARD THEIR GRANT IS IN KIND DONATION, VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE HEAD, OUR HEAD START PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPORTED BY THE COUNTY.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AFTER THAT IN KIND WHERE, UM, MR. SCOTT DOES HAVE TO DO THAT.
EVEN IF WE WERE DOING IT FOR, FOR ZERO, WE'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT BECAUSE WE'D STILL HAVE A LEASE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY.
I'M JUST SURPRISED IT HASN'T BEEN CAPTURED UNDER OUR LIST OF CHARITIES THAT WE, UH, DONATE TO EACH YEAR.
I, THAT, THAT'S A FISCAL QUESTION.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. NEWCOMB? MR. FULLER? OKAY.
IF NOT, I, I'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND SHARE, UM, THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS.
AGAIN, PAUL SCOTT, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES, UH, I WANNA ADDRESS A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
UM, YES, WE DO USE THE, UH, APPRAISED VALUE.
THERE'S A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE APPRAISER THAT COMES IN AND VALUES THAT SPACE AND THEN, UH, WHATEVER THAT IS VERSUS WHAT WE PAY IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO CAPTURE AS PART OF OUR NON-FEDERAL SHARE IN KIND, WHICH IS WE'RE REQUIRED TO RAISE 20% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF OUR GRANT, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE HEAD START PROGRAM.
YOU JUST ACCOMPLISH IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, UTILIZE THAT SPACE TO DO SOME OTHER INTERVENTIONS, EARLY INTERVENTIONS, BUT THAT, UH, DONATION OF SPACE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE, FOR OUR, UH, FISCAL WORK FOR THAT GRANT.
AND MAKE SURE WE QUALIFY FOR THE, UM, FOR THE EARLY HEAD START GRANT.
AND, UM, I'M NOT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF Y'ALL HAVE, UM, ABOUT THAT SPACE.
SO WE HAVE TWO CLASSROOMS AND A SMALL LITTLE OFFICE, WHICH IS WHERE THE BIG SAFE IS.
UH, AND WE HAVE A, A QUITE A FEW OF OUR STAFF OPERATE OUT OF THAT, UM, OUT OF THAT OFFICE.
MR. DREW? I'M GOOD, MR. SHEPHERD.
THANK AND I TO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A DONATION, WE'RE ACTUALLY LISTED IN YORK COUNTY'S PAPERWORK AS A CONTRACT, WE ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE 16 CHILDREN.
SO IT'S, I I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE UNDERLYING, UH, ISSUE THAT YOU'VE RAISED.
IT'S, IT WE'RE JUST LISTED AS A CONTRACTOR 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY THAT WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SERVICES FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF KIDS.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THE, ON THE CHARITY LIST.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US 60 SECONDS ON WHAT SERVICES THAT YOU'LL BE PROVIDING OUT OF THAT BUILDING AND WHO YOU'LL BE SERVING? THE NEW BUILDING? NO, OUT, OUT OF DURING THE LEASE.
SO GRIFFIN YATES PROVIDES EARLY HEAD START, WHICH IS FOR LOW INCOME FAMILIES THAT HAVE KIDS.
WE, WE CAN ENROLL PRENATAL MOMS UP TO 36 MONTHS.
UM, AND WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT TRANSITION, DEPENDING ON THE CHILD'S BIRTHDAY, WHETHER IT'S TO A PRESCHOOL PROGRAM OR TO HEAD START, IS, IS PRETTY SEAMLESS.
SO WE GOT A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE AGE THOSE KIDS GET.
UH, A LOT OF EARLY EDUCATION WE'RE ALIGNED WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION STANDARDS.
UH, WE ACTUALLY CAN USE THAT SPACE TO PROVIDE, UH, SPEECH THERAPY, PHYSICAL THERAPY AND OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY.
AND WE DO SOME TRAINING WITH OUR CHILDCARE DEVELOPMENT STAFF THAT WORK WITH, UH, THE, THE, THE ADULTS THAT WORK IN THE CLASSROOM.
WE'RE ABLE TO COME IN AND PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT THERE, BUT EFFECTIVELY THEY GET EVERYTHING WE, WE CAN DO, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT EARLY HEAD START DOES, UH, OR WHAT HEAD START DOES.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTAL NEEDS, UH, BEING ADDRESSED.
ALL THE FAMILIES GET HOME VISITS, THEY'VE GOT ACCESS TO OUR OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE FATHERHOOD AND MOTHERHOOD AND BREASTFEEDING AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
THAT'S FOR, UH, THE AVERAGE FAMILY.
UH, INFANT AND TODDLER CARE I THINK HOVER AROUND 12,000 A YEAR, UM, AT LEAST.
AND SO THIS IS A SUBSIDIZED PROGRAM FOR THOSE FAMILIES THAT MEET THE INCOME CRITERIA AND SOME OTHER RISK FACTORS THAT WE ESTABLISH.
AND SO OUR BOARD MEETS, UH, ANNUALLY AND LOOKS AT THE RISK FACTORS BECAUSE IF WE GET 80 PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR 16 SLOTS, WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE KIDS THAT ARE MOST AT RISK.
AND THOSE INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM AN INCARCERATED PARENT, A TEEN PARENT, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN THE HOME.
SO THESE ARE KIDS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING REALLY SOME VERY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS AND WE PROVIDE A SAFE, STABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM THROUGH THE DAY SO THAT THEIR FAMILY CAN WORK.
AND, AND THESE ARE ALL, THESE FAMILIES ARE ALL YOUR KIND OF GUYS? YES SIR.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME.
DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? IF NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
UH, WITH THAT, LET'S GET INTO BOARD COMMENTS, IF ANY, MS. HONOR, MS. NOLL, MR. HO ARE YOU? NO, I'M FINE.
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AND A ROLL CALL PLEASE.THE MOTION MADE BY MR. HORO IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 61 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES INC.
FOR THE, FOR THE OPERATION OF AN EARLY CHILDCARE IN THE GRIFFIN YATES BUILDING.
[2. Application No. UP-1036-24, Legasea Yacht Group, LLC: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-113 to recommend approval of an application for a Special Use Permit to authorize a 45 square foot increase in permitted cumulative wall sign area for an existing marina located at 819 and 821 Railway Road. ]
TWO.UM, CONSIDER, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION TO R 24 1 13.
TO PROVE APPLICATION FOR USE PERMIT AUTHORIZE, UM, SIGN SQUARE FOOTAGE, 45 SQUARE FOOT.
INCREASE IN SIGNAGE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE MARINA.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR AN INCREASE IN CUMULATIVE WALL SIGN AREA FROM MARINA LOCATED EIGHT 19 AND 8 21 RAILWAY ROAD HIGHLIGHTED THE SUBJECT PARCEL THERE FOR YOU IN THAT HOT PINK LINE WORK.
UM, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT'S ALMOST FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.
IT'S ZONED WATERFRONT ORIENTED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, AS IS THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE WEST.
AND THEN SURROUNDING TO OUR EAST AND SOUTH OUR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS SOUND, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UM, ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE BIT THERE TO GIVE YOU AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.
AGAIN, IT'S OUTLINED THERE IN THE PINK, UM, OF LABELED CHISMAN CREEK.
ACROSS THE WATER ARE ALSO MORE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
SO JUST A COUPLE PICTURES AS WE'RE APPROACHING.
IT CONTAINS A VARIETY OF USES.
UM, THERE'S A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT BOAT STORAGE BUILDING AS WELL AS DRY BOAT STORAGE RACKS.
THERE'S A TWO STORY OFFICE AND SMALL SHOP.
AND THEN AS WE GET FARTHER ONTO THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE WET SLIPS, DOCKS, THE WATERWAY ITSELF, CHISMAN CREEK AS WELL AS BOAT FUEL, AND THEN SOME CONVENIENCE ITEMS FOR SALE.
SO TO KIND OF GET INTO THE CORE OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE SIGN CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, A PROPERTY WHO MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR HARDSHIP.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE PARCEL IS OF LIKE A CERTAIN TOPOGRAPHY OR A CERTAIN SIZE OR A BUILDING A CERTAIN DISTANCE AWAY FROM A ROAD RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE AN INCREASE IN CUMULATIVE SIGN AREA.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO WALL SIGNS ON THAT STORAGE BUILDING THAT I MENTIONED.
THERE'S A 95 SQUARE FOOT SIGN FACING RAILWAY ROAD AND 150 SQUARE FOOT FINE FACING CHISMAN CREEK BY RIGHT? THEY'RE ALLOWED 200 SQUARE FEET OF CUMULATIVE WALL SIGN AREA RIGHT NOW.
AND THE WAY WE MEASURE THAT IS WE TAKE THE STORAGE BUILDING, WE MEASURE THE LENGTH OF IT, AND THAT GIVES US OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 45 SQUARE FOOT INCREASE FROM THEIR CUMULATIVE SIGN AREA THAT WAY PERMITTED, WHICH IS 200 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT I DID IS I SUPERIMPOSED A VISUAL THERE OF THE PROPOSED SIGN ON BOAT STORAGE BUILDING, GIVING YOU THE DIMENSIONS.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S 150 SQUARE FEET IS GONNA FACE CHISMAN CREEK.
THAT IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SIGN JUST FROM THE WATERWAY.
THE SIZE OF THIS SIGN IN ITS LOCATION IS INTENDED TO BE VISIBLE BY BOATERS.
SO YOU'RE COMING OFF IN YOUR BOAT FROM YORK RIVER COMING UP CHISMAN CREEK, AND THEY WANT THE SIZE OF THIS SIZE IN ORDER TO BE VISIBLE TO THE BOATERS SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY THE MARINA, MAKE THOSE MANEUVERS AND DOCK.
ADDITIONALLY, THE SIGN ITSELF IS A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES OVER ON YORK POINT.
THE SIGN IS NOT ILLUMINATED AND WE FEEL THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE SIZE THAT IT IS, IT WON'T BE SIGNIFICANTLY OBSTRUCTIVE TO THOSE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS A PROPOSED SOUTHERN SIGN.
THIS IS GONNA FACE RAILWAY ROAD AGAIN ON THAT BOAT STORAGE BUILDING SUPERIMPOSED OF THE DIMENSIONS.
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, THE ASK FOR THIS SIGN AND THEN THIS IS WHAT'S TIPPING IT OVER FROM ITS BY RIGHT SQUARE FOOTAGE INTO THAT 45 FOOT INCREASE, AGAIN, IS TO BE VISIBLE TO CUSTOMERS APPROACHING FROM RAILWAY ROAD.
DO WANNA NOTE THAT THE PROPOSED WALL SIGNAGE IS, AS A MATTER OF FACT NOT ANY LARGER THAN THE OLD SIGNAGE ACTUALLY FOR THIS WAS FORMERLY DARREN MARINA, NOW IT'S LEGACY MARINE.
YOU'LL SEE I HAVE THE OLD PHOTOS OF THE OLD SIGNAGE.
IT'S AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SIZE AND IN THE SAME LOCATIONS AS THE OLD SIGNAGE.
IT'S SO MOVING ON TO OUR STAFF CONCLUSIONS, WE FEEL SO THAT AGAIN, IF YOU READ THE LANGUAGE IN THAT CODE SECTION, THE SIGN CODE, WE, THERE'S THE VISIBILITY FROM A ROAD RIGHT OF WAY STAFF FELT THAT COULD BE EXTENDED ALSO TO BOATS APPROACHING FROM A WATERWAY.
MARINAS SERVE CUSTOMERS APPROACHING FROM BOAT AND THAT'S HOW THEY GET THERE.
SO WE FEEL THAT COULD BE EXTENDED TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY THIS TO PROVIDE GREATER BUILD VISIBILITY TO CUSTOMERS COMING FROM THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN ALSO COMING VIA BOAT ON CHISMAN CREEK.
THE PROPOSED SIGNS ARE NO LARGER THAN THE FORMER SIGNAGE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT BOTH OF THESE WALL SIGNS ARE GONNA BE LIMITED TO THE SPECIFIC SIZES AS POINTED OUT IN THE CONDITIONS
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OF THE RESOLUTION.SO THIS ISN'T LIKE A FREE FOR ALL FOR ANY OTHER LARGER SIGNS, IT'S FOR THESE TWO SPECIFIC SIGNS.
AND ANY OTHER NEW SIGNS THAT ARE GONNA GO ON SITE DO NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGN CODE.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH THEREIN.
UM, I'M HERE AS STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, THE APPLICANT, MR. AND MRS. HOLLER HERE AS WELL FOR LEGACY MARINE.
UM, MR. RO, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T EITHER.
SO THE, UH, SO THIS, THIS COMPANY LEGACY IS THEY BOUGHT THEIR MARINA.
AND SO THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR SIGNS OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO JUST BRING YOU GUYS UP TO SPEED ON A LITTLE BIT, MANY, MANY DECADES AGO OR SEVERAL DECADES AGO, UM, WHEN DARE MARINA WAS TRYING TO OPEN A LITTLE RESTAURANT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UM, WE WERE GETTING, WE WERE GETTING SOME REALLY STRANGE PUSHBACK ON PEOPLE ABOUT, 'CAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ADVERTISE ALL THE WAY OUT TO 17 AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING FOR SUPPORT FOR BUSINESS.
AND, UM, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF STRUGGLE WITH, UM, WITH THE SIGNAGE ISSUE.
AND, UH, EVENTUALLY WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ESTABLISHED SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE THE SIGNS TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED FOR A BUSINESS.
NOW THEY'RE IN A WCI ZONED AREA, RIGHT? YES SIR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, THE KIND OF TOWN WITH THE QUESTIONS IS ALSO THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS WHEN YOU GET A WCI UP NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE ISSUES, NOISE BEING ONE OF 'EM.
BUT THOSE ALSO CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH OTHER, OTHER ENFORCEMENT MEANS THE NOISE PART.
SO I'M GONNA, I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS, OF US PUTTING THE SIGN OUT.
'CAUSE THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND WE NEED TO GET THIS, UH, WE NEED TO KEEP IT RUNNING.
YEAH, I MEAN, UH, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SAME SIZE SIGN, SAME SIZE THAT'S THERE NOW.
SO I I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE WOULD BE IF, IF THE SIGN'S ALREADY THE SIZE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, IT'S JUST DIFFERENT PUTTING A NEW SIGN THERE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE DAM MARINA SIGNS DIDN'T GET PULLED DOWN, SO THOSE AREN'T UP RIGHT NOW.
BUT AGAIN, JUST COMPARABLE, THEY'RE, THESE PROPOSED ONES ARE NOT LARGER THAN THE DAM MARINA SIGNAGE, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
THE, THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED WITH THE SUPER PROPOSED EMIT, THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL SIGNS? YES.
THOSE ARE WHAT THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THE LEGACY MARINE THAT IS THE, THEIR SIGN, UM, I GUESS CONSULTANT IF YOU WILL.
THAT'S THE DESIGN THAT THEY CHOSE AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE INSTALLED.
AND YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ILLUMINATED.
DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE NOT SHINING LIGHT ON IT AT NIGHTTIME? I BELIEVE SO.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA BE ILLUMINATED IN ANY WAY.
UM, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, I NOW INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND SHARE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS WITH US? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME'S CHRIS HALL IS MY WIFE, JENNIFER HALL.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD LAY IT OUT ANY BETTER THAN SHE JUST DID.
UM, WE JUST WANNA HAVE SOME SIGNS ON OUR BUSINESS.
THAT'S REALLY JUST WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
I'LL JUST OFFER, FIRST OF ALL, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT AND ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND MEET YOU ALL.
UM, I THINK YOU SAID IT WELL, SIR, BUT, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE IS A VITAL MARKETING AND COMMUNICATION TOOL FOR ANY BUSINESS, PARTICULARLY A NEW BUSINESS.
UH, AND MANY CUSTOMERS ARE STILL CONNECTING THE DOTS BETWEEN THE, UH, PREVIOUS BUSINESS DEER MARINA AND NOW OUR LEGACY MARINE BUSINESS.
UM, WE CATER TO LOCALS AS WELL AS TRANSIENTS AND AS AVID BOATERS OURSELVES, WE CAN ATTEST THE IMPORTANCE OF FEELING COMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CHARTERING, CHARTERING UNFAMILIAR TERRITORY AND HAVING THAT SIGNAGE TO GUIDE YOU, UM, IT GIVES DIRECTIONS.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY AWARENESS.
UM, WE HAVE SMALLER SIGNS ON SITE THAT GUIDE OUR CUSTOMERS TO SLIPS, TO FUEL, TO LIFT LANES.
UH, AND MOST OF Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE NOW, UM, THAT WE RECENTLY BECAME THE FIRST SEA PLANE PORT IN VIRGINIA.
SO COASTAL SEA PLANES INCORPORATED IS NOW COMING INTO OUR FACILITY AND WE HAVE A SMALL SIGN THERE, UH, TO, UH, FOR CUSTOMERS TO ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, COMING EITHER DIRECTION.
UM, THIS WEEK WE HAD A DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH INSPECTION, WE PASSED, BUT GUESS WHAT? WE NEED ONE MORE SIGN FOR OUR PUMP OUT STATION.
THEY'VE ASKED FOR A SEPARATE ONE.
SO SIGNS ARE, SIGNS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
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COASTAL SEA PLAINS.EVENTUALLY, UH, WE WILL PEER ON FAA SECTIONAL CHARTS, UH, AND CHARTED ON NOAA NAVIGATION CHARTS.
SO AGAIN, I THINK OUR SIGN IS VERY, VERY PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, IT'S COMPARABLE TO ALL OTHER MARINA SIGNAGE AND OUR TRAVELS.
AND ALSO, AS KAILYN SAID EARLIER, UH, TO WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? NO.
ANYBODY? I'LL JUST FOLLOW REAL QUICK.
I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT ACTUALLY FOR THE APPLICANT'S, UH, A FEW TIMES NOW.
YOU'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF US EITHER WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, NOW ON THE BOARD.
I, I THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO REVITALIZE THIS AREA.
I I REALLY THINK IT'S, UH, IMPROVED THE, UM, THE VOTING EXPERIENCE, UH, DRAMATICALLY.
AND I'LL JUST FOLLOW REAL QUICK, THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL BE ILLUMINATED THAT INCLUDES NIGHT SHINING AND LIGHT DURING THE NIGHTTIME, SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY, ANY REFLECTIONS OR SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DID, UH, WE GOT A GRANT THROUGH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA TO DO LED LIGHTING AROUND THE BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT MOVING ANY OF IT OR WE'RE GONNA AIM ANYTHING AT THE SIGN.
MM-HMM,
AND I'LL, I'LL ECHO MS OR SAID I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S INVESTMENT IN, IN THAT MARINA.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CARRYING IT FORWARD.
UM, IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
UM, SO I WILL UM, NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY, ANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THIS.
ANYBODY WANNA SPEAK TO IT? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.
SO ANY BOARD COMMENTS AT, AT THIS TIME? NO, I'M TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT.
OKAY, WELL THEN CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOWLES TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 13 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
[3. Application No. UP-1035-24, Kwik Out 1: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution No. R24-112 a Resolution to approve a special use permit to authorize auto/light and heavy truck rental limited to one (1) truck on a 0.4-acre parcel at 1691 Merrimac Trail. ]
NEXT ITEM ON NUMBER THREE, APPLICATION FOR QUICK ITEM ONE.CONSIDER ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 12 TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE AUTO LIGHT TRUCK HEAVY TRUCK RENTAL, UM, TRUCK AT THE APPLICANT.
BASICALLY, BASICALLY THEY WANNA DO A SINGLE U-HAUL.
UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A SINGLE TRUCK RENTAL AT 1691 MERRIMACK TRAIL OUTLINE THE SUBJECT PARCEL THERE FOR YOU IN BRIGHT BLUE, ITS OWN GENERAL BUSINESS AND HAS FRONTAGE ON BOTH MERRIMACK TRAIL AND AU SHANTER BOULEVARD.
TO QUICKLY RECAP THE SURROUNDING ZONING, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THERE.
FURTHER NORTH IN COUNTRY CLUB ACRES, WE HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE EAST AND THEN GENERAL BUSINESS TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.
AND ARIEL, THE SITE AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED THAT IN BRIGHT BLUE FOR YOU.
WANNA QUICKLY JUST DISCUSS THE SURROUNDING DE DEVELOPMENT VERY BRIEFLY.
UM, TO THE NORTH WE HAVE THE COUNTRY CLUB APARTMENTS AND THEN COUNTRY CLUB BAKERS, WHICH IS NORTH OF THAT ACROSS TER BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE MARINA ELECTRICAL, UH, BEYOND CS THE RAILWAY, WE HAVE OVERFLOW OF PARKING FOR BUSH GARDENS.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST WE HAVE A CELL TOWER NEXT TO THIS SITE AND AS WELL AS JUST SOME FURTHER COMMERCIAL BEYOND THAT.
SO THIS SITE CONTAINS A CONVENIENCE STORE AND ACCESSORY GAS PUMPS.
UM, I'M GONNA QUICKLY DESCRIBE THIS GRAPHIC.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THAT RED DASH LINE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY LIMITS FOR TAM SANTER BOULEVARD AND MERRIMACK TRAIL.
AND THE HOT PINK IS THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR SUBJECT PROPERTY RATHER.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY THAT THE CELL TOWER SITS ON.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ACTUALLY THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS IS FOR MERRIMACK TRAIL IS ACTUALLY ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO WHAT IS THERE IN KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THAT IN BLUE FOR YOU IS A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT THAT THE CONVENIENCE STORE USERS UTILIZE TO GET TO THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE CELL TOWER PROPERTY.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, AND THIS IS WHAT KIND OF DROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE SINGLE U-HAUL TRUCK, IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS 13 PARKING SPACES.
NOW UNDER CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS, 12 OF THOSE ARE OBLIGATED TO CUSTOMERS FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THAT LEAVES ONE EXCESS PARKING SPACE.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT HAS OPTED TO UTILIZE THAT SINGLE PARKING SPACE AS DEDICATED SPACE TO HOST THE RENTAL TRUCK.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
UM, THAT IS A PHOTO OF YOU FOR YOU.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THE QUICK OUT, THERE'S THE GAS PUMPS, AND THEN
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A BLUE ARROW THAT IS WHERE THE TRUCK IS GONNA BE PARKED.THIS IS A PRETTY LOW INTENSITY USE.
THE ITE DOESN'T GIVE US SPECIFIC GENERATION RATES FOR TRUCK RENTALS.
HOWEVER, WE FIGURE DUE TO THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS ON BOTH MERRIMACK TRAIL AND ON SHANTER BOULEVARD, THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAVE A MEDICAL IMPACT AS COMPARED TO THE OVERALL TRAFFIC THAT THE SITE CURRENTLY GENERATES FOR THE COMMUNITY STORE.
THIS LEADS US TO OUR STAFF CONDITIONS IN THE USE PERMIT, AGAIN, WE'RE LIMITING THE RENTAL TO A SINGLE RENTAL TRUCK.
THERE'S ALSO A CAP ON THE MAXIMUM LENGTH THAT CAN ONLY BE 21 FEET.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS WHEN IT'S PARKED IN THE SPACE, WE DON'T WANT IT TO STICK OUT BEYOND THE PARKING SPACE INTO THE DRIVE AISLE.
AND THAT WOULD EITHER BLOCK LIKE CUSTOMER TRAFFIC OR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PARKING SPACE NEEDS TO BE SIGNED AND DESIGNATED.
CAN'T HAVE CUSTOMERS PARKING THERE, AND IT CAN'T BE PARKED IN A WAY THAT WOULD OBSTRUCT EMERGENCY ACCESS FROM FIRE.
ALL IN ALL THIS IS, WE FEEL THIS IS GONNA HAVE PRETTY SMALL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA AND REALLY ISN'T ANY MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND THE GAS PUMPS.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS WELL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE SUP.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR THAT ONE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER.
QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? ANYBODY? YEP.
SO I HAD ONE QUESTION AND IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT WE'VE HAD ON OTHER TRUCK RENTAL LOCATIONS.
JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE CARRIED OUT ON SITE.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY AFFECT THOSE IN THE APARTMENTS NEARBY.
UM, THEY WOULDN'T BE PER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF FURTHER THEIR ZONING BECAUSE THAT WOULD CALL FALL OVER INTO LIKE TRUCK REPAIR.
UM, WHICH THEY WOULD NEED TO BE LIKE SEPARATELY PERMITTED FOR.
BUT WE COULD ADD A CONDITION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO THAT I PREFER TO SEE IT, YES.
WELL THEY FIX FLAT TIRE STUFF LIKE THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THEY GOT A FLAT TIRE ON A TRUCK OR WHATEVER, OR SEND THE RENTAL TRUCK TO, TO U-HAUL AND HAVE THEM DO IT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR CONCERN WOULD BE LIKE REPAIRING LIKE ENGINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SIR.
UM, MM-HMM?
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU OR THE APPLICANT, BUT TYPICALLY DIFFERENT VEHICLES WILL COME IN AS THEY'RE RENTED.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WILL, THAT WE'LL NEVER GET A LARGER TRUCK IN THAT SPOT OR THEY'LL ALWAYS RECEIVE THAT SAME TRUCK BACK? I'M PROBABLY GONNA DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT QUESTION.
AND I GUESS NOW'S A GOOD TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME UP.
MY NAME IS HALEY AND I'M REPRESENTING THIS, UH, AT QUICK OUT ONE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS, ADDRESS MY QUESTION.
WILL YOU ALWAYS GET THE SAME TRUCK BACK OR, UH, YES.
THEY HAVE THE U-HAUL HAS TWO KIND OF TRUCK.
ONE IS A ONE WAY TRUCK AND ONE IS IN TOWN TRUCK.
WHAT WE GONNA HAVE IS IN TOWN TRUCK THAT'S PERSONALLY OUR OWN TRUCK REPRESENTED BY U-HAUL.
IT'S GONNA BE IN AND OUT ON THE SAME DAY.
AND IT CAN'T BE IN THE VIRGINIA ONLY.
WE ARE NOT GONNA GET ANY OTHER LARGER TRUCK OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S GONNA BE A SMALL BOX TRUCK.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A TRAILER OR, AND IT'S GONNA BE AUTOMATED.
IT'S THE SAME TRUCK BASICALLY.
UH, WE ARE GONNA BE RENTING OUT.
AND COULD YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION ON THE MAINTENANCE IF IT DOES REQUIRE NOTHING MAINTENANCE GONNA BE DONE ON THE SITE? UH, WHATEVER WE HAVE, UH, CONCERN, UH, FOR THE TRUCK, WE JUST GONNA GO AND CALL U-HAUL AND THEY'RE GONNA GO REPLACE, JUST REPLACE THE TRUCK.
REPLACE, YES, THEY WOULD REPLACE.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ALL? SEEING NONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.
UH, WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS ITEM? WELCOME.
OKAY, THEN LET'S MOVE INTO ROLL CALL.
ONE, BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD ADD THAT FINAL POINT.
SO I WOULD MAKE IT R 24 DASH ONE 12 R WITH A CONDITION THAT NO ONSITE MAINTENANCE.
MAINTENANCE, UH, MR. HU RATE, IF YOU DON'T MIND OF, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE PERMIT, SINCE IT ONLY PERMITS THEM FOR SPECIFICALLY LIGHT TRUCK RENTAL, IF THEY WERE TO CONDUCT MAINTENANCE, THAT WOULD BE A, A ZONING VIOLATION BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED TO DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK THE SCOPE OF IT WOULD COVER YOUR CONCERN.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
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DEFENDANT ERASER READY TO GO?THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 12 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
[4. Application No. UP-1037-24, Williamsburg Golf Investors II Inc.: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-114 to approve an application for a major amendment to a conforming special use to authorize the establishment of forty (40) accommodations for rental by Williamsburg Golf Club members on a portion of the existing Williamsburg Golf Club located at 1801 Merrimac Trail. ]
ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR WAYNESBURG GOLF INVESTORS INCORPORATED, UM, RESOLUTION R 24 1 14.UM, MAJOR AMENDMENT TO CONFORM SOCIAL USE FOR SETTLEMENT OF 40 ACCOMMODATION FOR RENTAL.
SO, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE A MAJOR AMENDMENT OF A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF 40 ACCOMMODATIONS FOR RENTAL BY WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB MEMBERS AT 1801 MERRIMACK TRAIL.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED RC FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION.
UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED EO FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
IL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL R 20 FOR MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND PD FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANTS WISH TO ESTABLISH 10 2400 SQUARE FOOT FOUR BEDROOM COTTAGES ON AN APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRE PORTION OF THE EXISTING 153 ACRE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, EACH BEDROOM COULD BE RENTED INDIVIDUALLY, UH, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE FOUR BEDROOMS IN EACH OF THE 10 COTTAGES.
THE APPLICANT IS IS PROPOSING 40 SEPARATE ACCOMMODATIONS.
SO I'VE CIRCLED THE APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRE SUBJECT AREA IN BLUE TO THE NORTH IS THE 18TH HOLE OF THE GOLF COURSE.
UH, TO THE EAST AND SOUTH ARE BLUE-GREEN VACATIONS, PARKSIDE WILLIAMSBURG RESORT TIMESHARE UNITS, AND TO THE WEST IS A SMALL PARKING LOT ON THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB PROPERTY AND A SHORT GAME PRACTICE AREA.
SO I'M GONNA START BY GIVING YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, THE APPLICANTS HAVE APPLIED FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE AND I WANNA START WITH AN EXPLANATION OF THE PHRASE CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.
UH, THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1959.
THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A GOLF COURSE IN THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT DIDN'T ALWAYS.
THIS REQUIREMENT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1985 WHEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED AND THAT'S WHEN THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB BECAME A LAWFULLY CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.
SO NOW I CAN DISCUSS WHY THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT AN EXPANSION IN FLOOR AREA OF 25% OR MORE SHALL BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A SPECIAL USE.
THE APPLICANTS WANNA BUILD TEN FOUR BEDROOM ACCOMMODATIONS EACH WITH AN AREA OF 24, UH, 2,400 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE SUBJECT PARCEL HAS TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES, THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING, WHICH ACCORDING TO, UH, THE COUNTY'S TAX RECORDS HAVE 36, UH, 36,212 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA COMBINED, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WOULD YIELD AN ADDITIONAL 24,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD REPRESENT A 66% INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA ON THE PROPERTY.
MM-HMM,
SO NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND, I'LL DISCUSS STAFF'S CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS.
SO ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THEY'RE INTENDED SOLELY FOR USE BY MEMBERS AND THEIR GUESTS.
STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE RENTAL OF, OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS TO WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB MEMBERS.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN INCLUDED THAT WOULD BIND THE APPLICANTS TO THE STIPULATIONS OUTLINED IN THEIR NARRATIVE.
STAFF HAS ALSO PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE ACCESS ROAD TO BE AT LEAST 24 FEET IN WIDTH AND THE APPLICANTS TO INSTALL SIGNS INDICATING NO STREET PARKING ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD TO HELP ENSURE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE UNOBSTRUCTED ACCESS TO THE ACCOMMODATIONS IN THEIR NARRATIVE.
THE APPLICANT STATE THE GENERAL VEHICLE PARKING WILL BE ACCOMMODATED IN THE MAIN PARKING AREA AT THE CLUB AND, AND THE PROPOSED EXPANDED PARKING AREA ADJACENT TO THE SHORT GAME PRACTICE AREA.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT, UH, ALL COUNTRY CLUBS AND GOLF COURSES MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE PARKING SPACE PER 400 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA IN MEETING ROOMS, LOUNGES, OR SIMILAR ASSEMBLY AREAS, PLUS FIVE SPACES PER GOLF HOLE.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S, THE CLUBHOUSE'S ASSEMBLY ROOMS HAVE A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 5,092 SQUARE FEET AND THE COURSE HAS 18 HOLES.
THEREFORE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE GOLF CLUB IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 103 PARKING SPACES.
STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NECESSITATE 40 PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S ONE SPACE PER EACH ACCOMMODATION.
AND IF APPROVED, UH, THE CLUB WOULD BE REQUIRED
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TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 143 PARKING SPACES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.THE GOLF CLUB CURRENTLY HAS 105 PARKING SPACES.
UH, AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED BUILDING ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF A SIMILAR TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION FROM A DIFFERENT GOLF COURSE AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT DID NOT SUBMIT BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR OR RENDERINGS OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS PROPOSED AT THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.
STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT A RENDERING OF ALL PROPOSED STRUCTURES TO BE APPROVED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF ANY BUILDING PLANS AND ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS.
THE INSTITUTE OF UH, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL DOES NOT INCLUDE TRIP GENERATION DATA FOR THIS TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION.
HOWEVER, IT DOES INCLUDE DATA FOR SIMILAR USES.
A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
TIMESHARE UNITS GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR ALL THREE USES IS LESS THAN ONE.
THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON MERRIMACK TRAIL, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2022 BDOT ESTIMATES CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 10,620 VEHICLES PER DAY.
SO THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD BE LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO TIMESHARE UNITS BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THESE TIMESHARE UNITS.
STAFF BELIEVE THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT CREATE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, GIVEN THE RELATIVELY HIGH ESTIMATED TRAFFIC COUNT FOR MERRIMAC TRAIL AND THE FACT THAT THE ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT BY MEMBERS, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON MERRIMACK TRAIL SHOULD NOT BE NOTICEABLE.
FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 24 DASH UH, ONE 14.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS APPLICATION DURING ITS JUNE 12TH MEETING AND VOTED SIX TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A FEW.
UH, SO MS.
I GUESS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS A, I'LL CALL IT BAIT AND SWITCH.
WE HAD, WE HAD A CAR WASH BUILT ON MOTOWN ROAD THAT, UH, HAD DRAWINGS THAT WERE NOT THE FINAL DRAWINGS.
UH, AND, AND WE ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T APPRECIATE.
SO HOW DOES THIS BOARD KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IF WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL DRAWINGS IN FRONT OF US? ARE ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE, UH, THE RENDERING, THE DESIGNING BUILDINGS? YES.
SO FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO SUBMIT THAT TO OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR APPROVAL.
BUT NO, NO OTHER, UM, APPLICANT APPLYING FOR THE SAME THING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT.
AND MR. CHAMBERLAIN ASKED WHAT THE TAX BASIS WILL BE, I'M SORRY.
MR. CHAMBERLAIN HAD ASKED WHAT THE TAX BASIS WILL BE FOR THESE UNITS, HOW THEY'LL BE RENTED.
AND YOUR ANSWER AT THE TIME WAS THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HAD NOT ANSWERED YET.
SO HAVE YOU RECEIVED AN ANSWER FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE? YEAH, THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, UH, WOULD TAX THEM FOR LODGING TAX.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THIS, SUP, WOULD IT RESIDE WITH THE LAND OR THE OWNER? THIS WOULD RESIDE WITH THE LAND.
SO WHY, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? WE'RE BASICALLY BUILDING THE EQUIVALENT OF ST 10 OF THEM, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE IF THE OWNER THEN SELLS THE LAND.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEANNIE? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR GOLF COURSES TO HAVE, UM, HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.
KILN CREEK, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A HOTEL.
UH, YOU CAN GO ALL UP DOWN THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES, PEOPLE WILL FLY IN.
UH, I I IT IS INTERESTING THAT BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY CAN RENT OUT EACH ROOM.
YOU END UP WITH WHAT, 40 DIFFERENT ROOMS? UH, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT SHOWS UP.
YOU SHOW UP WITH ONE CAR AND THREE GUYS, OR FOUR GUYS IN IT OR, OR A FAMILY.
SO THIS IS NOT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, UH, ORDINARY.
THE OTHER PART IS THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE CLUB.
THIS IS UNLIKE ANY GOLF COURSE AROUND HERE.
YOU DON'T EVEN GET ON THERE UNLESS YOU HAVE A CODE AND YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER AND YOU COME IN WITH A, AS A GUEST.
SO YOU BRING A GUEST ON BOARD, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE WITH A MEMBER.
THIS IS NOT LIKE GOING TO KILN CREEK OR, OR A PUBLIC COURSE OR EVEN JAMES RIVER.
UH, BECAUSE THIS ACCESS IS, IS TRULY LIMITED.
THE UM, NOW THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THIS IS
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THAT, YOU KNOW, TYING THIS TO, TYING THIS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, GOLF COURSES DO, DO TRADE HANDS.UM, IN FACT, THIS GOLF COURSE, UH, WAS SAVED BY THE, THE BUILDER OR THE GUY THAT BOUGHT IT.
UH, HE DIDN'T, MY UNDERSTANDING, HE, HE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO IT, BUT HE WAS TALKING TO DOING IT BY SOME OF HIS BUDDIES.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN IT TURNED OUT TO BE JUST AN INCREDIBLE BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE.
'CAUSE HE SUNK MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS.
UM, SO I JUST, I CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT THEY WOULD EVER SELL THE LAND WITHOUT THE GOLF, WITHOUT THE HOTELS WITH IT OR, OR THE APARTMENTS.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE.
I I JUST, I CAN'T EVEN, I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW THEY DO THAT.
AND AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THIS IS, THIS IS TRULY A PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, EFFORT IN THE BUSINESS, UH, FOR A CLUB AND ITS PEOPLE.
AND I REALLY, REALLY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE WOULD TRY TO LEVY, UH, PARAMETERS ON, ON A PROPERTY OWNER LIKE, LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
IF IT WAS A HOUSE, SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND A PLACE LIKE THAT, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM THAT.
YOU CAN'T EVEN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN EVEN SEE THESE PLACES WHEN THEY'RE BUILT.
AND THE SECOND OF ALL, THE BOARD'S GOTTA KEEP IN MIND WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION, THEY ARE NOT COMING FORWARD WITH AN APPROVED, UH, DESIGN.
IT'S, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
SO THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON, UH, EVERYTHING HERE IS, IT'S WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE WHEN AN INITIAL APPLICATION COMES FORWARD.
AND THEN OUR COUNTY STAFF WOULD, UH, WOULD WORK WITH 'EM.
I, I HAVE YET IN 20 SOME YEARS TO SEE AN APPLICATION COME FORWARD THAT WAS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED.
I MEAN, THEY WILL TWEAK IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WILL DO TO MEET CERTAIN BUILDING PARAMETERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, IT'LL HAPPEN I GUESS, BUT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT.
AND IF SOMEBODY EVER TO REALLY COME BACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PULL A FAST ONE ON US, THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO EVER GET ANOTHER APPLICATION TO THIS BOARD.
SO, UM, IT'S CREDIT PROPERTY, I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU, DOUG, WHATEVER YOU SAW DOWN THERE AND WHATEVER WAS PUT IN THAT OPERATION, IT WAS SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER ASPECT OF APPROVAL THAT CAME THROUGH THIS COUNTY.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST REAL SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE, WE'RE TRYING TO LEVY, UH, THE, WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD SEE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR A PRIVATE CLUB THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, PROPERTY THAT IS, THAT IS TOTALLY CONTROLLED ACCESS AND UM, THAT IS AN ACTUAL BENEFIT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S JUST MY INPUT, MR. SHEPHERD.
I JUST HAVE TO REACT TO THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD A RECENT FLIP OF A GOLF COURSE IN, IN WILLIAMSBURG WITH SPOT WOOD.
THIS IS A VALUABLE PROPERTY, 153 ACRES.
WHAT STOPS IT FROM BEING FLIPPED TO SOMETHING ELSE? AND DO WE HAVE ANY CONTROL IN THE FUTURE? SHOULD THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONTROL WE WOULD HAVE ANYWAY.
AND SPOTS WOULD, IS A PAR THREE GOLF COURSE AND I THINK THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA RETAIN THE GOLF COURSE.
OH, THEY'RE JUST BUILDING HOUSES ON IT NOW.
THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEAL BECAUSE IT'S THAT IT'S NOT TOTALLY CONTROLLED.
PEOPLE CAN, I MEAN YOU CAN, IT'S CONTROLLED IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS, BUT PEOPLE GO, CAN JUST SHOW UP AT THE GOLDEN HORSESHOE AND GO DOWN TO THE SPOTS WOOD WHEN THEY WANT TO PLAY AND THEY'LL GIVE 'EM THAT.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE HOTELS, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DETAILS ON, ON WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO DOWN THERE.
I JUST KNOW THAT THEY SHUT DOWN THAT GOLF COURSE BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO LOOK AT EVEN A BIGGER DEVELOPMENT.
NOW I GRANT YOU THAT IS A BIGGER DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING HERE.
KIL CREEK, THERE WAS PROPOSAL BY THE, THE OWNER OF KILM CREEK AND WE STOPPED IT TO ACTUALLY TAKE CLOSE THE GOLF COURSE AND DEVELOP IT AS AS APARTMENTS.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS SORT OF LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND AND IT WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE.
EVEN THOUGH NEWPORT NEWS, IT, IT, PART OF, IT'S IN NEWPORT NEWS, THEY WERE GONNA PROVE IT, BUT YOUR COUNTY, NO WAY.
IT WAS OPEN PROPERTY, OPEN LAND AND WE WERE NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT.
THIS IS, YOU GOTTA KEEP OUR MIND ON WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE DEAL WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF PROPERTY.
PUT THIS IS NOT A COOKIE CUTTER STOP TYPE OF OPERATION HERE.
I MIGHT DISAGREE WITH YOU ON BEING WAY DIFFERENT, BUT OTHERWISE RIGHT.
MAY I ADD, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RC UH, RESOURCE CONSERVATION, UH, THEY CAN DEVELOP, UM, ONE HOME PER FIVE ACRES.
IF THEY WANTED TO DO ANY MORE THAN THAT, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO COME TO YOU FOR A REZONING.
MY MY MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE RENTAL.
SO UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATION IS ONLY RENTED USAGE BY MEMBERS, MEMBERS AND GUESTS.
DOES THAT MEAN A GUESS OF A MEMBER CAN RENT IT OR CAN ONLY BE RENTED BY
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A MEMBER? UH, ACTUALLY THE CONDITION IS THAT IT CAN ONLY BE RENTED BY MEMBERS, GUESTS CAN STAY, GUESTS CAN ONLY MEMBERS CAN RENT.CAN MEMBERS THEN SUBLEASE IT OUT TO ANOTHER PARTY IF THEY WANTED TO? I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, OUR CONDITION OF APPROVAL SAYS THAT IT CAN ONLY BE RENTED BY MEMBERS.
AND LAST QUESTION AND THEN ALSO MAY BE FOR APPLICANT TWO, UM, I'M LEAVING THE READ AHEAD.
IT SAYS MINIMUM LOOK ONE DAY RENTAL, BUT THERE'S NO END TO HOW LONG THEY CAN, THEY CAN STAY IT I BELIEVE THEY SIT.
YEAH, I I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT.
SO IS THERE A CONCERN WITH THE COUNTY THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUST STAY THERE AND INDEFINITELY IN ONE OF THE UNITS? WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF, UH, THE LOCATION.
IT'S, UM, SURROUNDED BY TIMESHARE UNITS.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT AN IMPACT ON A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING IN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PREVENT OPEN-ENDED IN INDEFINITE RENTAL OF A PRIEST PROPERTY LIKE THIS? YEAH.
YOU SAID YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE LONG.
YEAH, SO THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE LONG TERM RENTALS.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS 90 DAYS, IT'S A 90 DAY RULE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND AT THE STATE LAW HAS CHANGED RECENTLY.
SO NOW, UM, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY IS GONNA BE DEFINED AS, UH, 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS, UM, OR LESS.
MM-HMM,
I'M, UH, DAN ZI, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER IN DIRECTOR OF GOLF, WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.
AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, THE STAFF'S WORKED HARD AND LAID OUT, UH, EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB FOR THAT, BUT, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, I MEAN OUR, OUR BASIS FOR THIS HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH, UM, MR. SHAWBACK AS THE NEW OWNER.
HE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH OURSELVES AS A PREMIER CLUB, A PRIVATE FACILITY, MR. SHEPHERD, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN EXPLAINING THAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE IN YORK COUNTY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT.
WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ESTABLISHED OURSELVES AS A FANTASTIC, UH, FIRST CLASS FACILITY AND WE BELIEVE THAT THESE COTTAGES CAN PROVIDE THAT ELITE EXPERIENCE FOR OUR MEMBERS AND OUR GUESTS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DELIVER THAT GOING FORWARD.
THANK YOU MR. DREW, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU RENT IT JUST TO MEMBERS.
SO ARE, DO THEY JUST HAVE FAMILY COMING INTO TOWN AND STAY FOR A WEEK? LIKE A VACATION OR WHAT? I GUESS WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING MEMBERS ONLY? UM, YEAH, SO FOR US, I MEAN, BEING A PRIVATE FACILITY AND ON PRIVATE LAND, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ANTICIPATION TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF OUR MEMBERS.
IT'S MORE WE HAVE, UM, LOCAL AND NATIONAL MEMBERSHIP AS WELL THAT WILL FLY IN AND, AND COME AND NEED ACCOMMODATIONS.
AND WE PREFER THAT THEY, UH, STAY HERE ON PROPERTY AND WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON PROPERTY, SO.
SO, UH, THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY.
SO BASICALLY IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THE MEMBERS LOCAL, IT'S GONNA BE MEMBERS THAT ARE MORE THAN LIKELY YES.
THAT ARE COMING FROM ANOTHER STATE, CORRECT.
THAT HAVE A MEMBERSHIP THERE AND THEY NEED A PLACE TO STAY.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT TO ASK.
I MEAN, YOU GOT THE, OH, I KNOW.
CAN YOU MAKE THOSE TRAPS A LITTLE EASIER? I WATCH.
I MEAN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE.
THANK YOU BIG, IT'S A GREAT OPERATION.
NO COMMENTS MR. ROY? NO, NOTHING.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR MEMBERSHIP IS NOT LOCAL? UM, JUST, UH, 20% RIGHT NOW.
AND GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, CAN, CAN A MEMBER RENT IT AND THEN SUB RENT IT TO SOMEBODY? SO IT HAS HAS TO BE THE AND AND WHAT ABOUT THE OPEN-ENDEDNESS TO THE, TO THE STAY? THERE'S NO CAP ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS THEY CAN STAY.
WELL, I MEAN, MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S NEVER GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, VERY EXTENDED, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG SOMEONE WOULD NEED TO STAY IF THEY STAY FOR A WEEK AND PLAY GOLF.
I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENTION OF, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM RENTALS.
YOU, YOU'RE NOT SEEING SOMEBODY GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I LIKE LIVING ON
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THE GOLF COURSE.I'M GONNA SELL MY HOUSE AS LONG AS GONNA LIVE HERE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
WE HAVE AFFLUENT PEOPLE BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WANNA STAY FOR 30.
THAT NICE OF A COTTAGE? YES SIR.
UM, IF NO OTHER QUESTION IS, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND SHARING, APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I WILL NOW I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED.
ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.
ANY, ANY BOARD COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE, I WILL ASK FOR ROLL CALL.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 14 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
[5. Application No. UP-1028-24, John and Cheryl Howard: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-116 to approve an application to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 104 Mays Landing. ]
NEXT, NEXT APPLICATION, UM, RESOLUTION R 24 1 16 APPROVE APPLICATION FOR THE JOHN AND CHERYL HOWARD, UH, FOR A TOURIST HOME IN EXISTING DWELLING, A 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING.GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF, UM, A TAURIST HOME LOCATED AT 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING.
THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED IN A THREE POINT 27 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE MAYS LANDING SUBDIVISION AND IN THE LACKEY AREA OF THE COUNTY TWO MILES AWAY FROM NAVAL WEAPON STATION.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED.
R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE EXCEPTION OF THE GREEN AREA, WHICH IS ZONED RESOURCE CONSERVATION.
THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER TO RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE OR DESIGNATED, UH, DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE WHILE RENT RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THE BOARD POLICY NUMBER BP DASH 24 DASH 30 STATES, THE OWNER OF A TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE.
IF RESIDING IN ADJACENT PREMISES, THE OWNER OF, OF THE TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE WITH WITHIN 3000 FEET OF THE TOURIST HOME.
MR. HOWARD WILL BE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE PROPOSED HOME.
HE RESIDES IN THE SUNSHINE ACRE SUBDIVISION AT 2 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED IN THE SMALLER RECTANGLE HERE AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE AND IT IS 800 FEET AWAY.
THEY'RE 800 FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
THE PORT THE BOARD POLICY ALSO STIPULATES THAT A PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE LIMITED TO OPERATING ONE TOURIST HOME WITHIN YOUR COUNTY.
AND STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT OPERATE ANY TOURIST HOMES WITHIN THE COUNTY BOARD.
POLICY NUMBER BP DASH 24 DASH 30 STATES SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES LOCATED IN THE HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY R 13 AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RM F ZONING DISTRICTS SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 750 FEET OF ONE ANOTHER, UH, OF ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THERE ARE NO APPROVED TOURIST HOMES WITHIN 750 FEET AND NONE WITHIN ONE MILE RADIUS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES HERE, THE STAR, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY WITH AMPLE UM, PARKING SPACE.
THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE OF PARKING AREA FOR THE GUESTS.
THE FIRST FLOOR HAS APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET.
IT HAS A LIVING ROOM, HALF BATH, KITCHEN, DINING ROOM, AND SITTING ROOM.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE AVAILABLE TO UP TO SIX GUESTS AT A TIME, INCLUDING TWO CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM TWO TO 14 NIGHTS.
THE SECOND FLOOR HAS APPROXIMATELY 900
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SQUARE FEET.IT HAS THREE BEDROOMS. ONE BEDROOM HAS TWO TWIN BEDS.
THE SECOND BEDROOM HAS A KING SIZE BED AND THE MASTER BEDROOM ALSO HAS A KING SIZE BED.
THERE ARE TWO BATHROOMS AND EACH BEDROOM HAS A CLOSET.
THE HOUSE HAS A BASEMENT, BUT MR. HOWARD HAS STATED THAT THIS WILL BE OFF LIMITS TO THE GUESTS.
STAFF HAS PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOURIST HOME TO BE RENTED AS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL WITH AN OCCUPANCY OF UP TO SIX GUESTS, INCLUDING UP TO TWO CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF TWO IN A MAXIMUM OF 14 NIGHTS.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANTS HAVE STATED THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME.
THEREFORE STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM.
THIS IS A SKETCH, UM, A SKETCH PLAN OF THE PARKING AREA.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ALL PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME TO BE MAINTAINED OFF STREET AND THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
MR. HOWARD PROVIDED THIS SKETCH PLAN OF THE PARKING AREA.
THE DRIVEWAY IS 425 FEET LONG AND IT VARIES IN WIDTH FROM NINE TO 23 FEET AND IS CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING AT LEAST SIX VEHICLES.
THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED SOME PROVISIONS IN HIS NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED TA HOME ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
THE PROPERTY IS EQUIPPED WITH A SECURITY CAMERA THAT NOTIFIES HIM OF ANY MOVEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
EVENTS AND CORPORATE USE OF THE HOME WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
QUIET HOURS WILL BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM AND IF APPROVED, A PROPOSED CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION THAT HE SUBMITTED.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.
THE TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN THREE MILES OF TWO EXISTING TOURIST HOMES AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER TOURIST HOME IN THIS AREA IS NOT LIKELY TO DEGRADE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH FOR RESOLUTION R 24 1 16 AND PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL TAKE THEM AND THE APPLICANTS ARE ALSO HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT.
SO ON THE UM, I REMEMBER KNOCKING DOOR, KNOCKING THE DOOR ON THIS ONE DURING MY CAMPAIGN.
IT WAS A LONG WALK BACK THERE.
SO, UM, THE, UM, QUIET HOURS IT IS AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY MY STUPIDITY IS THE, OR THE NOISE ORDINANCE AT NINE 30 IN THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN TELL ME THAT 11 7:00 AM 11 TO 7:00 AM 11 AT NIGHT NO HONOR.
SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS AT NINE 30.
OKAY, THEN THE 10 O'CLOCK WORKS.
OKAY, MR. SHEPHERD, I HAD NO QUESTIONS.
UM, REMIND ME THAT THE, DOES THE USE PERMIT GO WITH THE PROPERTY OR WITH THE OWNER? WHAT, WHAT DID Y'ALL SETTLE ON? SO THIS WOULD BE WITH THE OWNER, UM, THE SHORT, UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD RUN WITH THE OWNER.
SO IF ANOTHER OWNER WOULD WANT TO ESTABLISH A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN THIS PROPERTY, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, COME UP AND SHARE ANY THOUGHTS AND BE AVAILABLE FOR, AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO ADDRESS Y'ALL.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO UH, UH, LET YOU KNOW OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOUSE.
WE LIVE IN A 2 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY, WHICH IS THROUGH THE WOODS.
I I THINK EL YOU SAID IT WAS 800 FEET? I'M NOT EVEN SURE REALLY.
IT'S NOT THAT FAR, BUT I MEAN IT'S, I'D HATE TO HAVE TO WALK AT THE NIGHTTIME THOUGH.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1 0 4 MASON LANDING ALSO.
AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO APPROVE, UM, THIS PROPERTY FOR US.
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A BIG, BIG, I MEAN, I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN FRONT BECAUSE I NEEDED, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE GET SOME EDGE ON YOU.YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE MONEY ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M 77 YEARS OLD, THEY DON'T WANT ME OUT THERE ANYMORE DOING ANYTHING THAT, UH, MIGHT BE DANGEROUS, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO IT'S A SOURCE OF INCOME FOR US AND WE, WE NEED THAT SOURCE FOR THE HOUSE.
WE JUST BOUGHT THIS SO CAUTION US VERY MUCH MONEY.
SO THIS, THIS WOULD HELP US TO OFFSET THAT AND, UH, HELP US TO LIVE THE LIFESTYLE.
I GUESS WE'D WANNA BELIEVE KEEP.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS.
YOU GOOD? SO, AND YOUR PLAN IS TO BE ON PREM ON 2 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY WHEN THE PROPERTY'S BEING YES.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S OUR PERMANENT HOME NOW, SO.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU TAKE A SHORTCUT THROUGH THE WOODS TO, IF YOU HAD TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING AS OPPOSED TO DRIVING THE WAY RYAN
I DON'T WANT YOU, I MEAN, I WANNA CUT THROUGH HIS, HIS LAND, SO IF THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND HIS LAND, I COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THERE, BUT THEN I'D HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE PEOPLE WHO IN THE SUBURB BEHIND ME.
AND I DON'T WANT TO WELL, I DON'T WANT YOU TRIPPING OVER ANYTHING IN THE DARK, GETTING OVER THERE.
AND, AND YOU'RE, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP AND SHARING.
WELL, I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, ELLIE.
I MEAN, SHE HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.
UM, I MEAN YOUR COUNTY HAS BEEN GOOD TO US SO FAR ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF.
AND I MEAN, YOU GET A PAIN IN YOUR HEAD FROM, YOU WANT GO FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO.
SO WE'VE GOTTA TURN IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, AND SHE HAS JUST BEEN A WONDERFUL SOURCE AND A BIG HELP TO MY WIFE AND I, AND I I APPRECIATE HER AND SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.
UM, I WILL NOW OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY LIKE TO, UM, Y'ALL, Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND SET.
ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.
CNNI WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL MOVE MARCH 24 DASH ONE 16.
UH, BOARD COMMENTS? ANYBODY? I THINK THIS MEETS THE INTENT OF UH, WHAT WE'VE PUT IN OUR POLICIES IN OUR ORDINANCE.
UM, THERE'S NO, UH, NO EXCEPTION 'CAUSE THEY'VE MET ALL CRITERIA.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOWLES TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 16 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
[6. Application No. UP-1016-23, Hope Durley: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-111 to approve an application to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 122 West Semple Road. ]
OKAY.UM, VERY SIMILAR TO THEIR ADOPTION FOR PROPOSAL RELEASE FROM R 24.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 22 WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
THE TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NELSON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM THE JAMES YORK PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AND MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS INDICATED BY THE YELLOW COLOR SHOWN ON THIS MAP.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
I'VE INCLUDED A FEW PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, STARTING WITH A SOUTHBOUND VIEW OF THE STREET, STANDING IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
UH, HERE'S A NORTHWARD VIEW OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD, UH, FROM IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND FINALLY, A VIEW FACING EASTWARD, UH, LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
OKAY, THE APPROXIMATELY 811 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING HAS TWO BEDROOMS. UM, ONE BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, LIVING ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, AND SIX CLOSETS.
UH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE AVAILABLE TO UP TO FOUR GUESTS AT A TIME, INCLUDING UP TO THREE CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM TWO TO 89 NIGHTS.
THEREFORE, STAFF HAS PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOURIST HOME TO BE RENTED AS A WHOLE HOUSE WITH AN OCCUPANCY OF UP TO FOUR GUESTS, INCLUDING UP TO THREE CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A MAXIMUM OF 89 NIGHTS.
UH, THOUGH TOURIST HOME OPERATORS ARE ALLOWED TO DISPLAY A SMALL SIGN, THE APPLICANT STATED SHE DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE ANY SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME ON OUR PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, STEP HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER TO RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN ADJACENT PREMISES, OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO,
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WHO CAN RESPOND PROMPTLY TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.HOWEVER, BOARD POLICY NUMBER BP 24 DASH 30 STATES, THE OWNER OF A TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR ADJACENT PREMISES.
IF RESIDING IN ADJACENT PREMISES, THE OWNER OF THE TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE WITHIN 3000 FEET OF THE TOURIST HOME.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR A DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
WHILE THE BOARD POLICY DOES NOT, THE APPLICANT RESIDES IN NEWPORT NEWS.
SO SHE DESIGNATED MR. MATTHEW MULLEN'S HER FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR AS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
MR. MULLEN'S ALSO RESIDES IN THE NELSON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION AT 1 28 NELSON DRIVE, WHICH IS A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 1400 UH, FEET AND A DRIVING TIME OF ONE MINUTE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LETTER SIGNED BY MR. MULLEN'S, UH, AFFIRMING HIS COMMITMENT TO THE RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, A COPY OF WHICH YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD BIND HIM TO THIS COMMITMENT.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE NEW BOARD POLICY.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ALL PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME TO BE MAINTAINED OFF STREET AND THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
THE DRIVEWAY IS 67 FEET LONG, FERRIES IN WIDTH FROM NINE TO 20 FEET, AND IS CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING AT LEAST FOUR VEHICLES THOUGH ALREADY REQUIRED BY THE CODE STAFF HAS CON, UH, INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM OF THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
SO THE NEW BOARD POLICY STATES, UH, THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER THE ADEQUACY AND CAPACITY OF ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK, THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK TO THE, TO ACCOMMODATE A PROPOSED SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOME.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MAN MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ARE TIMESHARE UNITS WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE.
SO ACCORDING TO 2021 BDOT ESTIMATES, THIS SECTION OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 620 VEHICLES PER DAY.
GIVEN THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS GENERATED BY SIMILAR USES AND THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL DAILY ON THIS SECTION OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD STAFF, DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TAURIST HOME WOULD CREATE A NOTICEABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
SO, BOARD POLICY, UH, BP 24 DASH 30 STATES SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES LOCATED IN THE R 13, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY AND RMF, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 750 FEET OF ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOME.
THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED IN THE R 13 ZONING DISTRICT WHEN MEASURED FROM, UH, FRONT DOOR TO FRONT DOOR AS THE CROW FLIES.
THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS APPROXIMATELY 379 FEET FROM A TOURIST HOME LOCATED AT ONE 13 DALE AVENUE AND APPROXIMATELY 752 FEET FROM A TOURIST HOME LOCATED AT 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
THERE ARE NO DENSITY STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL TO MEET, BUT THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE BOARD POLICY BECAUSE ONE APPROVED TOURIST HOME IS WITHIN 750 FEET OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
UH, THE BOARD POLICY ALSO STIPULATES THAT A PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE LIMITED TO OPERATING ONE TOURIST HOME WITHIN YORK COUNTY.
AND STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT OPERATE ANY TOURIST HOMES WITHIN THE COUNTY.
SO THE APPLICANT OFFERED SOME PROVISIONS IN HER NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF OF THE TOURIST HOME.
UH, ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, THE PROPERTY IS EQUIPPED WITH A SECURITY CAMERA THAT NOTIFIES HER OF ANY MOVEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
EVENTS AND CORPORATE USE OF THE HOME WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
QUIET HOURS WILL BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM AND IF APPROVED, A PROPOSED CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION THAT SHE SUBMITTED.
SO, BOARD POLICY BP 24 DASH 30 STATES THAT THE BOARD WILL RECEIVE AND CONSIDER COMMENTS FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS WHEN CONSIDERING APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES.
THE APPLICANTS CANVASSED THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COLLECTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
STAFF ALSO PLACED A SIGN IN THE YARD OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INDICATING THAT IT IS THE SUBJECT OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SENT LETTERS TO ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND POSTED THE APPLICATION DETAILS ON OUR WEBSITE.
UH, STAFF COMPILED THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED WITH THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND IN TOTAL THERE ARE 31 LETTERS OF SUPPORT SHOWN HERE IN GREEN, AND TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION SHOWN HERE IN ORANGE.
UM, I SUBMITTED A FOUR MORE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT YOU'LL HAVE, UM, ON YOUR DESK.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.
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PROPOSED TOURIST HOME DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE NEW BOARD POLICY.THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN 750 FEET OF AN EXISTING PROPOSED TOURIST HOME, I'M SORRY, OF EXISTING APPROVED TOURIST HOME.
UH, AND NUMBER TWO, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT RESIDE IN THE HOME OR WITHIN 3000 FEET.
THESE REQUIREMENTS DID NOT EXIST WHEN THE APPLICANT APPLIED FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION.
BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS AS NOTED, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND, I'M SORRY, SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO RECO, SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION? EXCUSE ME.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION DURING ITS AUGUST 9TH, 2023 MEETING AND VOTED FOUR TO TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT ARE HERE AS WELL.
UM, MR. JUROR, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, YOU JUST, UM, REFERENCED, UM, YOU SAID IF THE, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BUT IF THE BOARD MOVED FORWARD WITH IT, YOU REFERENCED A CODE I REFERENCED ORDINANCE, I'M SORRY, THE RESOLUTION, THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
SO WE HAVE A SET OF CONDITIONS, IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE IT UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS.
DO WE HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS? YES, SIR.
ALL OF THIS, IT SHOULD BE AT THE VERY END.
UM, YES, SO THE, THE QUANDARY I'M IN IS THEY PUT THIS IN BEFORE WE CHANGED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS WELL BEYOND THE TIME THAT WE MADE OUR DECISION ON WHAT TO DO.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I I THINK IF SOMEONE'S ALREADY HAD THEIR APPLICATION IN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FAIR FOR US TO CHANGE MIDSTREAM AND GO, OKAY.
UM, SO I, MOVING FORWARD, IF THERE'S NOT APPLICATIONS IN, THEN WE'RE, I'M GONNA STICK STRICTLY TO WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE DECIDED IS BEST FOR YOUR COUNTY.
ALRIGHT, MR. SHEPHERD, ANY, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, UM, MAKE COMMENTS WHEN WE GET A CHANCE, BUT I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
ANY QUESTIONS, MS. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP AND, UH, SHERIFF SOME THOUGHTS, ANSWERS SOME QUESTIONS.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BOARD? LADY AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BOARD? EXCUSE ME, MS. CROY, FOLKS IN THE GALLERY.
MY NAME IS GREGORY LAU SHY LIVE AT 9 33 HARLE PLACE IN NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
I REPRESENT HOPE DURLEY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN ON THE PLANET.
SHE RESIDES AT THE SAME ADDRESS.
SHE IS THE OWNER OF THE HOME IN QUESTION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN LIFE PARTNERS FOR 30 YEARS AND WE'RE BOTH NAMED ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE TOURIST HOME PERMIT.
I HAVE A BRIEF STATEMENT THAT I PREPARED.
MY, UH, 53-YEAR-OLD BRAIN WON'T ALLOW ME TO MEMORIZE, UH, THREE PAGES.
SO 30 YEARS AGO, MAYBE TODAY, NO.
SO HOPE PURCHASED 1 22 WEST SIMPLE ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG IN JANUARY OF 20 22, 22 AND A HALF YEARS AGO, ALONG WITH OUR DOGS.
WE MADE IT OUR HOME UNTIL JULY OF 2016 WHEN WE MOVED DOWN THE ROAD A BIT TO BE CLOSER TO OUR JOBS.
WE'VE ALWAYS PLANNED ON MOVING BACK AFTER WE RETIRE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE AREA, WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT HOUSE OUR FOREVER HOME.
SINCE THE DAY WE MOVED IN, OUR FIRST AND ONLY TENANT AFTER WE RELOCATED, LIVED THERE FOR SIX YEARS AND TO OUR HORROR, UM, LET THE HOME FALL INTO A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
IT WAS DEVASTATING, IT WAS TERRIBLE.
IT, HE LEFT THE ENTIRE HOME, HAD TO BE GUTTED AND RENOVATED, WHICH WE DID OURSELVES WITH THE HELP OF A FEW OUTSTANDING LOCAL BUSINESSES.
WE HAD THE ORIGINAL HARDWOOD FLOORS, REFINISHED, ADDED NEW APPLIANCES, NEW PLUMBING, NEW HOT WATER HEATER, NEW ROOF AND NEW GUTTERS, UM, NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS AND A DRIVEWAY WHERE THERE WAS AN NONE BEFORE.
AFTER WE COMPLETED ALL OF THAT, WE FULLY FURNISHED THE HOME.
EVERYTHING WE DID, WE DID WITH, UH, THIS IN MIND.
WITH THE GOAL OF ATTAINING THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN MIND THAT WAS ON OUR MINDS THE ENTIRE TIME.
IT TOOK US A YEAR TO FIX THE HOUSE AND $60,000 AND WE FINALLY ACCOMPLISHED THAT.
AND WE'RE PROUD TO SAY WITH DUE RESPECT TO OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS WHO ARE PROBABLY WATCHING ME ON THAT CAMERA RIGHT NOW, OUR HOUSE IS THE BEST LOOKING HOUSE ON THE STREET.
IT'S A GEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, YOUR HEAD TURNS RIGHT TO IT.
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WE LOVE THE HOUSE.LIKE I SAID, WE LOVE THE PROPERTY.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS PERMIT.
UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WILL GIVE US MORE HANDS-ON CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY THAN WE WOULD HAVE WITH A LONG-TERM TENANT.
IT'LL BETTER ALLOW US TO KEEP IT UP THE WAY IT IS.
AND THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MOST PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN THEY HEAR A TOURIST HOME IS AIRBNB, VRBO.
UM, HIGH TURNOVER STAYS LASTING ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO SEVEN NIGHTS.
OUR MAIN FOCUS, HOWEVER, WILL NOT BE AIRBNB TYPE RENTALS.
OUR MAIN FOCUS WILL BE TRAVEL NURSES.
MY MOTHER WAS A NURSE AND SHE SUGGESTED THIS IDEA, TRAVEL NURSES ARE HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY PAID PROFESSIONALS WHO TRAVEL FROM CITY TO CITY, TOWN TO TOWN, CONTRACTED TO WORK IN HOSPITALS AND CLINICS FOR EXTENDED SHORT PERIODS OF TIME LONGER THAN THE TYPICAL AIRBNB STAY, BUT IN MOST CASES, FEWER THAN 90 DAYS SHORT TERM.
AS DEFINED BY YORK COUNTY TRAVEL NURSES PREFER TO STAY IN FULLY FURNISHED HOMES OVER HOTELS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
SINCE MAY OF LAST YEAR, 2023, WE HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE TWO MAJOR WEBSITES FOR TRAVEL NURSES FURNISHED FINDER.COM AND TRAVEL NURSE HOUSING.COM.
IN 14 MONTHS, I'VE RECEIVED OVER 100 INQUIRIES, ALL BUT NINE OF THOSE REQUESTED STAYS OF FEWER THAN 90 DAYS.
AND WITHOUT THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE COULD NOT RENT TO ANY OF THOSE FOLKS.
EVEN, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO, WE, WE COULD NOT DO IT.
LAST JUNE, WE WERE CONTACTED BY A COMPANY CALLED TEMP KEYS.
THEY FOUND US UNFURNISHED FINDER.
THEY ASSIST IN FINDING PEOPLE SHORT TERM HOUSING.
AND IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS A WOMAN LIVING IN WILLIAMSBURG WHOSE HOME BURNED TO THE GROUND AND OBVIOUSLY SHE NEEDED A PLACE TO STAY WHILE IT WAS BEING REPAIRED AND REBUILT.
SHE MOVED HER FAMILY IN ON JUNE 23RD, 2023 OF LAST YEAR AND HAS BEEN OUR TENANT EVER SINCE.
HER LEASE ENDS NEXT MONTH, AUGUST 31ST, UNLESS SHE DECIDES TO EXTEND IT.
I HAVE A COPY OF THAT LEASE ALONG WITH ALL THE RENT CHECKS WE'VE RECEIVED, JUST TO SHOW THE BOARD THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN OPERATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL WITHOUT A PERMIT IN CASE THAT WAS IN QUESTION.
WHILE OUR PRIORITY WILL BE TRAVEL NURSES, THERE WILL INEVITABLY BE THE OCCASIONAL AIRBNB TYPE RENTAL, MAINLY TO FILL IN THE GAPS BETWEEN TRAVEL NURSE STAYS OR OTHER LONGER STAYS.
BUT AGAIN, THE PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE ON THE TRAVEL NURSES LONGER STAYS, LESS TURNOVER, RELIABLE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE HELPING TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE.
I HA I HAVE THE 31 LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT MS. CROY MENTIONED FROM OUR NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HAVE A CONSTANT PRESENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M THE CARETAKER OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M UP THERE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK TAKING CARE OF THE YARD, THE GROUNDS OR WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, AND WHEN I'M UP THERE, I CONNECT WITH MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS TO MAINTAIN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE I'M NOT THERE.
AND EVEN WHEN I'M NOT THERE, I CAN KEEP VISUAL TABS ON THINGS WITH THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY.
WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION FOR THIS PERMIT ON JULY 3RD, 2023.
AT THE TIME, OUR APPLICATION SATISFIED ALL THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING THIS PERMIT AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY MAKING SURE OF THAT BEFORE WE EVEN BEGAN THE PROCESS.
LAST AUGUST, THE PLANNING COMMISSION GRACIOUSLY PASSED US THROUGH AND THEN WE WERE NOTIFIED OF AN INDEFINITE MORATORIUM ON TOURIST HOME PERMIT HEARINGS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WHEN WE WERE FINALLY NOTIFIED OF OUR NEW HEARING DATE LAST MONTH, WE WERE ALSO NOTIFIED OF THE BOARDS OF NEW POLICY, THE, UH, BS 24 DASH 30.
THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS POLICY, AND I'M QUOTING, IS TO ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES THAT THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER WHEN EVALUATING USE PERMIT REQUESTS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES.
TWO OF THOSE GUIDELINES COULD PERTAIN TO US.
MS. CROY MENTIONED THOSE GUIDELINES.
C THAT STATES THE OWNER OF A TOURIST HOME SHOULD RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME, WHICH WE DO NOT, OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES WITHIN 3000 FEET OF THE TOURIST HOME, WHICH WE DO NOT.
LAST YEAR AT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, WE INTRODUCED OUR DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY, THE PERSON WHO WILL STAND IN FOR US IN THE EVENT OF A SITUATION THAT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION.
OUR GOOD FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR, MATTHEW MULLINS.
HE'S A SUPER GOOD FRIEND OF THE FAMILY.
HE'S A FAMILY MAN AND HE IS ONE OF MY BUDDIES.
HE'S ONE OF MY RIDE OR DIE GUYS.
AND, UH, WE TRUST HIM TO RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE ANY SITUATION THAT ARISES REGARDING THE PROPERTY WHILE WE'RE RENTING IT.
HE LIVES AT 1 28 NELSON DRIVE, WHICH IS ONE STREET OVER FROM OUR HOUSE, 396 FEET FROM DOOR TO DOOR AS THE PRO FLIES.
WE JOKE THAT HE COULD STAND IN HIS BACKYARD, THROW A FOOTBALL AND LAND IT IN MY DRIVEWAY.
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BUT HE'S GOT THE BUILD FOR IT, TRUST ME ON THAT.I SAID DON'T EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT, MATT.
UH, HE'S BEEN WITH US FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
HE AND HIS WIFE JOE, AND THEY'RE COMMITTED TO BEING THERE FOR US.
AND, UM, I HAVE A SIGNED LETTER FROM MATT STATING THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE COMMITMENT.
UM, LUCKY ME, I, UH, I'M A HOUSE HUSBAND AND A DOG DAD AND I'M AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND I'M ONLY 20 MINUTES A AWAY.
SO I WILL ALSO VERY QUICKLY BE INVOLVED WITH ANY, ANY SITUATION THAT ARISES ON THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, UH, ALONG WITH MR. MULLINS GUIDELINE, F STATES THAT SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOMES LOCATED IN OUR ZONING DISTRICT SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN 750 FEET OF ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOME.
OURS IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THESE GUIDELINES DID NOT EXIST WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION.
AND OUR ONLY ONES THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER, WE HOPE THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT ETCHED IN STONE.
UH, WE ENTERED THIS PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY IN GOOD FAITH OVER A YEAR AGO.
AND WE'RE HERE IN GOOD FAITH TONIGHT.
WE'VE UH, WE'VE HAD A FOOTPRINT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT LOVELY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 22 YEARS.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE A FOOTPRINT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ANOTHER 22 YEARS.
USING OUR HOME AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS A TEMPORARY SITUATION UNTIL WE BOTH RETIRE AND WE MOVE BACK.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE MADE THE VERY BEST OF IT.
WE'VE, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO GET THIS UP, UP TO MEET THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE EVERYTHING WE NEED TO MEET YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL HELP US MAKE THIS A REALITY.
AND FORGIVE ME, I'M GETTING A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. NOLL? NO, MR. ROY.
WELL, I HAD TWO, BUT HE'S ANSWERED THEM.
UH, HOW HAS HE RENTED IT IN THE PAST, UH, YEAR? 'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A VEHICLE OUT, OUT FRONT.
AND UM, AND I HAD HOPED TO TALK TO MR. MULLENS JUST TO CONFIRM HIS, UH, WILLINGNESS, BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY HE'S NOT PRESENT TONIGHT.
SO, UH, FROM WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING THAT ONCE YOU RETIRE, Y'ALL ARE GONNA MOVE BACK INTO THE HOUSE.
THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR, IT WILL BE YOUR FOREVER HOME AT THAT POINT.
YEAH, WE, UH, MY WIFE AND I JUST, UH, WE WENT TO THE MOUNTAINS, UM, MAYBE A YEAR OR SO AGO, AND WE STAYED IN A HOME THERE, IN A ROOM AND THE LADY NEXT DOOR WAS A TRAVELING NURSE AND WE GOT TO TALK TO HER AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SWEET LADY AND IT'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR YES.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THAT.
SO I CERTAINLY COMMEND YOU WORKING WITH THEM.
SO YOUR PRESENTATION ON BOTH ENDS VERY WELL DONE.
UM, AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOUR CURRENT HOME, YOU'RE ABOUT 20 MINUTES AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
UM, YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, AT THIS POINT I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP.
THERE'S ONLY, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, THIS TIME.
I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION.
I WILL PROPOSE RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 111.
BOARD COMMENTS MR. CHEV, WE'LL START DOWN ON YOUR END.
MY FEELING ON THESE, UH, YOU, UH, NOT CARVED IN STONE, UH, THOSE WE WOULD'VE PUT SHALL IN THERE AS OPPOSED TO WILL OR SHOULD.
UM, AND I THINK TO ME, UH, EVERY, EVERY APPLICATION FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IS REALLY DEPENDENT.
UH, ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS WHETHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEIGHBORS AROUND THE APPLICANT'S HOME OR PROPOSED SITE IS A, IS AC UH, ACCEPTED.
IF IT'S REJECTED, I HAVE A TENDENCY TO REJECT THEM.
SO, UM, AT THAT POINT, THE OTHER, THE OTHER PARAMETERS, YEAH, THEY'RE KIND OF GUIDELINES AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND, UM, I'LL GO ALONG WITH THOSE ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT I THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
YEAH, AS I SAID BEFORE, MY QUANDARY WAS, UM, THAT YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY STARTED THIS PROCESS AND I KNEW KNOW YOU PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO GETTING THIS HOUSE READY TO GO TO BE A, A RENTAL FOR, COULD BE A SHORT TIME, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG YOU DECIDE YOU'RE GONNA WORK.
BUT, UH, UH, I I CAN'T SEE PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER YOU GUYS, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, EVEN THOUGH WE
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HAVE STRINGENT, MORE STRINGENT RULES AROUND SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BECOMING INUNDATED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THEY'RE ESPECIALLY AROUND COLLEGE TOWNS THAT, THAT, UM, UM, PEOPLE THAT, UH, ARE RENTING HOMES, THEY'RE MAKING IT A LIVELIHOOD LIKE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN OR, OR, OR, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING UP HOUSES AND RENTING THEM FOR STUDENTS AND STUFF.
AND THEY'LL BUY UP A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR CITIZENS DON'T WANT THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO PUT SOME TIGHTER RESTRICTIONS ON THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO, BUT, UH, I, I'M CERTAINLY FOR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
ALRIGHT, MRS. NOLAN, I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT IT IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNTS.
NO NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALIKE AND IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RENT SOMETHING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE IN AGREEMENT.
AND YOU'VE LOOKED LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS, SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID THAT.
AND MR. ROY, WELL, I CONTINUE TO BE OPPOSED.
AND IT WAS OPPOSED WHEN IT CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THERE'S TWO LETTERS, UH, WRITTEN BY TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO DECLINED OR WHO WERE, UM, WHO WERE AGAINST THE PROPOSAL.
UM, AND UH, HE JUST FELT THAT THEY WERE FLOODING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS BEEN MY CONCERN ALL ALONG THAT WE JUST DO NOT HAVE A DENSITY LIMIT.
AND THE INTENT WAS THAT WE PUT IN A CRITERIA THAT, UH, HAD TO BE 750 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, ANOTHER SDR.
IT, IT'S WITHIN 750 FEET OF TWO SDRS.
WE HAD SET A CRITERIA THAT IT MUST BE THE OWNER, THE OWNER HAS TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME, THE OWNER HAS TO HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND LIVE IN THE REGION.
AND THAT IS NOT MET IN THIS CASE.
I'M JUST FIRMLY AGAINST, YOU KNOW, UM, GOING AGAINST THE COUNTY RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE VOTING THIS DOWN.
AND SPEAKING OF GUIDELINES, SO WE HAVE SOME RECENT GUIDELINES THAT WE PUBLISHED HERE EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR THE BOARD PROPOSALS FOR, UM, UM, BEST PRACTICES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, BUT WELL BEFORE THAT, IN FACT, I'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I HAD TO COME UP WITH THE BEST, BEST PRACTICES INDEPENDENTLY OF THAT BEFORE THEY CAN GET PUBLISHED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH AREA RESIDENTS AND MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE VERY ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
AND ONE OF THAT IS A CONCERN THAT AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD WILL NOT BE PRESENT TO ADDRESS ISSUES OR BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME ISSUES THAT THEY ARE BEING ADJACENT OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH, UH, UM, ABSENTEE LANDLORDS AND THE PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH IT WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, UH, TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OR BE, BE RESPONSIVE TO IT.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT CAN BE VERY PROBLEMATIC.
SO, UM, SO I UNDERSTAND MR. DRURY'S POSITION THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAD STARTED THE PROCESS WELL BEFORE THE, THE BOARD POLICIES GOT PUT IN PLACE, BUT WELL BEFORE THAT I HAD KIND OF SET MY OWN GUIDELINES, ADDRESSED THAT AS WELL.
SO A BIG RED FLAG FOR ME IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ADJACENT THERE ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IT'S BEING RENTED.
AND IN FACT, YOU'RE ABOUT 20 MINUTE, 20 MINUTES AWAY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SKIN IN THE GAME AS MR. ROY SAID.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, ALRIGHT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO, UM, ROLL CALL.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 1 11 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, I THINK WE'VE HIT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
UH, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE AT SIX O'CLOCK, UH, WHICH WILL BE A WORK SESSION ON AUGUST 6TH AND IT'LL BE IN THE EAST ROOM OF YOUR CALL.
UH, WITH THAT WE ARE IN ADJOURNMENT.