Jun 18, 2024 Board of Supervisors

HAVE LEAD OFF TONIGHT WITH SOME PRESENTATION, SOME SPECIAL RECOGNITION.

[ 1* Employee Recognition Program. Presentation of 40-year service pin and certificate to Brian Fuller, Deputy County Administrator Presentation of 20-year service pin and certificate to Master Deputy Sheriff John W. Henry]

SO I'M GONNA ASK MR. MARK BELLAMY IF HE COULD PLEASE STEP UP AND DO SOME RECOGNITIONS.

I BELIEVE I'M SHERIFF MONTGOMERY ALSO WILL BE JOINING US UP FRONT FOR RECOGNITIONS.

UH, BRIAN, IF YOU COULD COME ON UP HERE WITH ME, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UH, MR. RON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE DOING BRIAN'S, UH, 40 YEAR PEN FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT.

BRIAN HAS, UH, OBVIOUSLY HAD A GREAT IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY.

HE STARTED, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

IN 1984 AS AN ACTIVITY SPECIALIST IN 86, HE MOVED TO BEING A RECREATION SUPERVISOR.

2012, HE WAS THE PARKS RECREATION AND TOURISM MANAGER.

AND IF YOU REALIZE NOW TOURISM IS SEPARATE.

UH, IN 2015, HE BECAME THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.

17, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND IN 21, THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, DUAL ROLES.

AND THEN, UH, IN 24, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MOVING HIM TO DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO, UH, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF ALL HE'S DONE FOR US.

I WANTED TO SHARE A COUPLE PHOTOS HERE WITH YOU OF SOME OF HIS PAST EXPLOITS FOLKS.

UH, I LIKE HOW THE SMILE GOT NATURAL THIS TIME WENT ON.

THERE'S SOME MORE PICTURES.

UH, I DO WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, BRIAN'S FAMILY IS HERE, HIS FATHER, HIS MOTHER, CHANNING AND HAGAN, HIS DAUGHTER AND SON, AND KENNEDY, HIS GRANDDAUGHTER ARE HERE AS WELL TO HELP HIM CELEBRATE THIS OCCASION.

THERE'S A FEW OTHERS FROM THE FAMILY THAT I DON'T KNOW, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT RECOGNIZING THEM.

BUT, UH, BRIAN, IF YOU WOULD, I WANTED TO COME OVER HERE AND, UH, PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR 40 YEAR PEN AND CERTIFICATE.

WE ALSO, UH, PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU NICE COMMEMORATION OF, UH, YOUR 40 YEARS WITH ADDITIONALLY WITH SOME PICTURES THAT YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN RIGHT HERE.

AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR US.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN AN EVENT HERE

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IN YORK COUNTY IN THE LAST 30 PLUS YEARS THAT BRIAN HASN'T TOUCHED.

THINK ABOUT THE ION EVERY 4TH OF JULY.

YOU'VE BEEN EVERY 4TH OF JULY, ALMOST, ALMOST THERE.

THERE'S ABOUT FIVE YEARS IN THE EARLY NINETIES THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK.

UM, BUT THEN THE LAST 25, YEAH.

AND THEN AT TWO 25TH, AND WE'RE TALKING NOW ABOUT THE TWO 50TH, SO YOU'LL BE AROUND FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO WHAT A GREAT IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY.

BRIAN HAS HAD.

I'M SO PROUD OF HIM, SO LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM.

I MEAN, HE MAKES EVERYTHING WE DO A LOT EASIER AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING HE DOES FOR US.

SO, BRIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TO SAY THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR YOUR 20 YEARS OF SERVICE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU MANY MORE YEARS.

I TOLD THIS STORY THE OTHER DAY.

I, I STARTED 1984 ON FLAG DAY, AND I SHOWED UP AT NOON TO START WORK IN PARKS AND RECREATION.

I CAME IN A TIE.

I ENDED THAT NIGHT ABOUT 10 30 AT THE SOFTBALL FIELDS AFTER DRAGGING A LINE IN THE FIELDS AND KEEPING SCORE.

AND AT TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL, AS MR. ROONE CAN ATTEST, SWAT AND MOSQUITOES FOR PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN HOURS.

UH, SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GREAT RIDE.

BEEN, UH, FORTUNATE TO BE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF EVENTS, A LOT OF MAJOR EVENTS IN THE, IN YOUR TOWN.

UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, UH, THROUGH PARKS AND RECREATION AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND WORKING WITH THE MAC, UH, THAT FACILITY.

THAT WAS A, A LONG LABOR OF LOVE.

I DID A PRESENTATION TO THIS BODY.

MR. SHEPHERD WAS THERE, AND MS. NOLL WAS THERE IN 1985 OR 1995 ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE FACILITY.

AND WE OPENED IT, UH, A FEW YEARS LATER, 2009.

IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THERE.

UH, BUT IT'S BEEN A WONDER FACILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATE.

UH, I WAS OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND AND WE HAD THE EVENT OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND.

THERE'S JUST LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT Y'ALL GIVEN ME, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO A FEW MORE BIG THINGS HERE IN THE FUTURE.

SO, THANK Y'ALL.

SHERIFF MONTGOMERY, I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE AS WELL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. ROME.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

COME HERE, JOHN.

HE'S ALREADY WANDERING OFF ON THEM.

, IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT MASTER DEPUTY JOHN HENRY.

HE'S CELEBRATING HIS 20TH YEAR WITH THE YORK IAN SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

HE STARTED OFF AS AN INTERN WITH US FROM CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY, AND WE WERE SO IMPRESSED WITH HIM, WITH THE THINGS THAT HE DID AROUND THE OFFICE THAT WE HIRED HIM IN 2004.

AND HE FINISHED THE POLICE ACADEMY IN 2004 AND BEGAN HIS CAREER.

THEN FOR THE FIRST 13 YEARS OF JOHN'S CAREER, HE WAS A, A DEPUTY IN PATROL.

AND FOR THE F THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, HE'S BEEN AN ADMIN IN THE TRAINING DIVISION.

NOW, MOST OF THE TIME I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE DEPUTIES THAT WORK FOR ME AND JUST RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE AND ALL THEIR CERTIFICATIONS THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE WITH MASTER DEPUTY JOHN HENRY WITH THE LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS HE'S HAD, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME FOR A MINUTE.

HE'S BEEN ON THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM FOR 17 YEARS AS A TEAM LEADER, OPERATOR, AND SNIPER.

HE'S A MASTER FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR.

HE'S A DEFENSIVE TACTICS INSTRUCTOR.

HE'S AN NRA INSTRUCTOR, A CRIMINAL CHEMICAL MUNITIONS INSTRUCTOR, TASER INSTRUCTOR ALERT INSTRUCTOR, WHICH IS ADVANCED LAW ENFORCEMENT RAPID RESPONSE TRAINING, WHICH IS THE TRAINING WE DO NOW TO RESPOND TO ACTIVE SHOOTER EVENTS.

AND GOD FORBID WE DON'T HAVE ONE HERE, BUT HE'S THE ONE WHO TRAINS US TO DO THAT.

HE'S A SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTIC INSTRUCTOR.

HE'S RECEIVED A SPECIAL, A SHERIFF'S SPECIAL COMMENDATION FOR HIS VALOR.

HE'S RECEIVED A RESOLUTION FROM THE VIRGINIA HOUSE OF DELEGATES FOR HIS WORK.

HE HAS RECEIVED LIFESAVING AWARDS.

HE'S BEEN YORK PICO AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE TOP COP, AND HE IS ALSO RECEIVED NUMEROUS AWARDS FROM MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING FOR HIS EFFORTS THERE TO CURB, UH, ILLEGAL AND, AND DRUNK DRIVING IN THE ROADS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, JOHN HAS BEEN OUR MASTER TRAINER AT OUR RANGE, AND HE HAS ELEVATED THE TRAINING THAT WE'VE HAD OUT THERE FAR BEYOND WHAT WE'VE EVER HAD IN THE PAST.

AND THROUGH HIS INSTRUCTION AND HIS GUIDANCE, WE HAVE A TOP-NOTCH PROGRAM OUT THERE.

HE'S COORDINATES WITH THE HAMPTON ROADS REGIONAL ACADEMY BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE NOW PARTNERS WITH US OUT THERE.

SO HE'S THE LEAD COORDINATOR FOR ALL THE CLASSES OUT THERE.

HE DEALS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE AGENCIES THAT COME OUT THERE AND USE THE RANGE AS WELL.

SO HE OVERSEES THAT ENTIRE PROJECT AND HE HAD MADE IT INTO ONE TOP-NOTCH EVENT OUT THERE.

SO IT'S MY PLEASURE TO

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THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE RECOGNITION.

UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE SHERIFF FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, MY FAMILY, FOR THEIR SACRIFICE AND LEND ME TO THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY FOR ALL THESE YEARS, MY PARTNERS AND TEAMMATES WHO MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR RECOGNIZING ME TONIGHT.

SEE, I TOLD YOU WE HAVE SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS TONIGHT.

UM, SO MOVING ON.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, PRESENTATIONS.

UM, WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, CITIZENS COMMENTS FOR THIS PERIOD, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO FIRST I'M GONNA CALL ON MR. DARREN WILLIAMS, UM, FOR HIS, UH, PRESENTATION FOR ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, ACTUALLY.

SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO THE, UH, INTO THE PRESENTATIONS.

[2* Economic and Tourism Development: Receive Presentation from the Economic and Tourism Development Staff on upcoming events in Yorktown.]

THANK YOU, MR. RENNER.

IT'LL BE TWO OF OUR, OUR TEAM MEMBERS, ALICIA, TAYLOR, AND HEIDI SP SO FANTASTIC.

I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THEM AFTER I GET THEIR PRESENTATION PULLED UP.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN ROHN.

OH, IS THE , IS THAT BETTER? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? .

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN ROHN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. BELLAMY, MR. HILL.

UM, MY NAME IS ALICIA TAYLOR.

I AM THE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS SPECIALIST.

UH, JOINING ME TONIGHT IS MY COLLEAGUE HEIDI SPIES.

SHE IS THE CONTENT MARKETING SPECIALIST.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO JOIN YOU TONIGHT.

AND ON BEHALF OF ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON OUR SUCCESSES AND UPCOMING EVENTS AND PROGRAMS. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE DID KICK OFF OUR WINTER MARKETS.

THEY WERE A HUGE HIT.

ONCE AGAIN, WE HAD TWO MARKETS IN FEBRUARY AND TWO IN MARCH, EVEN THOUGH THE WEATHER WAS A LITTLE BIT COOL, UH, IT WAS STILL VERY WELL ATTENDED AND SALES WERE ROBUST.

WE DID HAVE THE SISTER CITIES FRENCH MARKET.

IT FEATURED FRENCH THEME OFFERINGS.

AND THIS LED RIGHT INTO THE YORKTOWN PIRATE INVASION WEEKEND, WHICH IS QUITE POSSIBLY ONE OF THE BUSIEST WEEKENDS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN APRIL.

UH, THIS YEAR WE SAW RECORD CROWDS.

UH, THIS WAS DRAWN BY PIRATE ENCAMPMENTS, CANNON FIRINGS, UM, MUCK, NAVAL BATTLES, SEA SHANTIES, AND MUCH, MUCH MORE.

ALL RIGHT, SO AFTER 19 YEARS, WORK BOAT RACES RETURNED TO YORKTOWN ON JUNE 2ND, 2024.

THIS WAS A GREAT DAY DOWN AT THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT.

IT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED AND QUITE POPULAR.

THE RACES WERE, UH, ORGANIZED BY ALAN HOLSTON OF WORK BOAT LIFE, AND WE SAW 38 PARTICIPANTS IN 12 DIFFERENT RACES.

APPROXIMATELY 1500 PEOPLE VIEWED THE RACES FROM LAND, AND WE ESTIMATE THERE WERE ABOUT 200 BOATS FROM THE SPECTATOR FLEET.

WATERMEN FROM YORK COUNTY, GLOUCESTER, MATTHEWS KOSIN, AND OTHER LOCALITIES PARTICIPATED.

AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY MAGAZINE FEATURED THE RACES IN SEVERAL ARTICLES BEFORE AND AFTER THE EVENTS.

A FEW OTHER NOTABLE MOMENTS WERE, UH, FROM THE DAY INCLUDED BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ISSUING A PROCLAMATION DECLARING JUNE 2ND, 2024.

AS CHESAPEAKE BAY DEAD RISE DAY.

THERE WERE MODEL BOAT DISPLAYS INSIDE THE FREIGHT SHED.

AND YORK COUNTY OCN RESCUE CREW THAT SAVED THE ICONIC LINDA CARROLL FROM A FIRE FIVE YEARS AGO, UH, RECEIVED AN AWARD FOR THEIR EFFORTS.

SO OVERALL, IT WAS A FANTASTIC DAY DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.

UH, JUST LAST WEEK, THE KMAR NICKEL, UH, TALL SHIP OF DELAWARE RETURNED TO YORKTOWN.

UH, THIS SHIP IS A SQUARE RIGGED, FULL-SIZE REPLICA OF THE SWEDISH WAR SHIP THAT BROUGHT SETTLERS TO NORTH AMERICA.

IN 16TH 38 ON JUNE 12TH, VISITORS WERE ABLE TO ENJOY FREE DECK TOURS, COURTESY OF THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, TALL SHIPS COMMITTEE AND YORK COUNTY.

THEY ALSO OFFERED THREE DAYS OF TWO AND A HALF HOUR SAILING TOURS.

AND THESE TOURS WERE SOLD OUT EVEN BEFORE THE SHIP ARRIVED.

SO OVERALL, WE SAW APPROXIMATELY OVER 6,000 VISITORS TO THE PIER TO SEE THE SHIP, TO GET TOURS ON THE BOAT, TO GET THE SAILING, UM, TOURS, AND JUST TO HAVE A, A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WAS AT OUR PEERS.

OFF WITH THE UPTOWN BAND.

TWO WEEKS AGO, ON JUNE, UH, SIXTH, THE SOUNDS OF SUMMER CONCERT SERIES KICKED

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THIS YEAR WE HAVE ANOTHER GREAT LINEUP WITH FOUR NEW ECLECTIC BANDS.

WE DO HAVE THE NASHVILLE NIGHTS VAN THIS THURSDAY.

UH, THE GENTLEMAN IN THERE, LADY, THE EMBERS AND THE INSIDE OUT BAND ARE ALSO NEW.

UH, OUR SOUND OF SUMMER CONCERTS ARE A PERFECT WAY TO SPEND A THURSDAY EVENING ON THE BEAUTIFUL YORK RIVER.

AND THE EVENING BRINGS LARGE CROWDS TO THE WATERFRONT, BUT IT BOOSTS BUSINESS, UH, BUSINESS AT LOCAL DINING ESTABLISHMENTS, GENERATING EXPOSURE FOR THE ATTRACTIONS AND THOSE BUSINESSES.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE JUST TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM THE 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION, WHICH IS SUCH A SPECIAL DAY HERE IN YORKTOWN.

STAFF IS DILIGENTLY WORKING TO PROVIDE A WONDERFUL DAY OF ACTIVITIES TO INCLUDE THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE, UH, FAMILY ACTIVITIES, AN EVENING CONCERT, AND A SPECTACULAR FIREWORK SHOW OVER THE RIVER.

UH, ONE THING TO NOTE FOR THIS YEAR, OR I SHOULD SAY MAYBE THE NEXT TWO YEARS, IS WE DO HAVE A MODIFIED ENTRY AND EXIT ROUTE, UH, INTO TOWN WITH A PARKWAY CLOSURE.

UH, BUT YOU COULD SEE THAT AND A FULL SCHEDULE OF EVENTS, UH, IN YOUR BOARD PACKET.

AND TUNE IN TO VISIT YORKTOWN.ORG AND FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM AT VISIT YORKTOWN FOR ANY UPCOMING PRESS RELEASES, BLOGS, ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE DAY'S ACTIVITIES.

SO WE HAD A FAMILIAR SITE THIS YEAR AT THE PIERS.

UH, IT'S BEEN THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE.

CRUISE SHIPS.

THIS SEASON IS JAM PACKED WITH, UH, 28 ARRIVALS ON SCHEDULE.

THESE CRUISES ARE A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME VISITORS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

TO YORKTOWN, WE HAND OUT MAPS, BROCHURES, AND DISCOUNTS FOR SELECT BUSINESSES TO THE CRUISE SHIP PASSENGERS, AS WELL AS STAFF A VISIT YORKTOWN INFO BOOTH TENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS DURING THEIR ARRIVALS.

UH, WE DO ARRANGE FOR A VARIETY OF TOURS IN YORKTOWN, AS WELL AS COORDINATE WITH OTHER BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EXCURSIONS AND ENCOURAGE PASSENGERS TO EXPLORE YORKTOWN WHILE THEY'RE IN PORT.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK HEIDI TO COME TO THE PODIUM TO GIVE, UM, SOME UPDATES ON BIG HAPPENINGS IN YORKTOWN THIS YEAR.

OKAY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, MY GRANDFATHER HAD HIS OFFICE LINED WITH PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATIONS IN YORKTOWN AND WILLIAMSBURG.

AND I REMEMBER BEING MESMERIZED BY THE STORIES THAT HE HAD TO TELL ABOUT THE FIREWORKS AND THE DIGNITARIES AND THE CELEBRATIONS.

TODAY IN YORKTOWN, WE HAVE A VERY SIMILAR OPPORTUNITY TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN GENERATIONS AND TO UNITE OUR COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.

AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE VIRGINIA TWO 50.

IF, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR, THE VIRGINIA TWO 50, SOMETIMES KNOWN AS THE VA TWO 50, IS MADE UP OF LOCALITIES, MUSEUMS, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE UNITING TOGETHER ACROSS THE STATE ABOUT, AROUND OUR SHARED HISTORY.

WE ARE ANTICIPATING WITH GREAT ANTICIPATION, THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES IN 2026 HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN PLANNING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND OUR INVOLVEMENT IS GOING TO SPAN MORE ALMOST A DECADE BECAUSE OUR BIG EVENT WILL BE IN 2031 FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SIEGE OF YORKTOWN.

NOW, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN, UH, HOSTING A NUMBER OF FESTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN IN MARCH IN THIS VERY ROOM TO A STANDING ROOM ONLY CROWD, THE ACCLAIMED HISTORIAN AND COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG INTERPRETER, MARK SCHNEIDER PORTRAYED OUR BELOVED MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR LOCAL MUSEUMS SUCH AS THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM THAT HAS BEEN ORGANIZING AND WORKING DILIGENTLY TO PLAN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR LOCAL SCHOOL CHILDREN.

AND AT VARIOUS EVENTS SUCH AS THE PIRATES INVADE YORKTOWN AND THE YORKTOWN MARKET DAYS, WE ARE INCORPORATING BOOZE INTERACTIVE STATIONS AND VA TWO 50 DISPLAYS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT YORK COUNTY'S RICH HISTORY.

ON SEPTEMBER 7TH AND EIGHTH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED ALEXANDER HAMILTON AND ALL OF THE PATRIOTS, BECAUSE YORKTOWN WILL BE INVADED ONCE AGAIN BY THE BRITISH AND NOT OF THE PAUL MCCARTNEY TYPE .

THIS TIME IT WILL BE LORD CORNAL AND HIS TROOPS, WHO WILL BE TAKING OVER DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET WITH MILITARY ENCAMPMENTS, STORYTELLING, MILITARY DRILLS.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE ROYAL ARTILLERY AT THE COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK DOING DEMONSTRATIONS BEHIND THE VISITOR

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CENTER, BUT HAVE NO FEAR BECAUSE OUR BELOVED FIGHTING FRENCHMEN WILL BE RETURNING IN OCTOBER DUE TO THE BICENTENNIAL OF LAFAYETTE FAREWELL TOUR, WHICH IS HOSTED BY THE AMERICAN FRIENDS OF LAFAYETTE.

AND TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, IN 1824, THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE WENT ON A 13 MONTH TOUR OF THE UNITED STATES, AND ON OCTOBER 18TH, 1824, HE RETURNED TO YORKTOWN.

WE ARE GOING TO REENACT THAT MOMENT ON OCTOBER 18TH, 2024 WITH MARK SCHNEIDER ONCE AGAIN APPEARING AS LAFAYETTE AT THE, UH, RIVERWALK LANDING STAGE.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A VERY SPECIAL PROCESSION UP TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY MUSEUM.

AND THANKS TO THE AMERICAN FRIENDS OF LAFAYETTE AND JOURNEY SEVEN MEDIA, WE HAVE A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK FOR YOU OF THIS MOMENTOUS DAY AND WHY IT IS SO SIGNIFICANT.

TWO CENTURIES HAVE PASSED.

PAN AMERICA HAS CHANGED.

THESE DEVICES IN EVERYONE'S HANDS MUST BE QUITE THE MARVEL, AND THE STREETS ARE BUSTLING WITH CARRIAGES THAT REQUIRE NO A I WOULD KNOW, WOW, THIS RETURN BACK TO AMERICA SHALL BE QUITE THE ADVENTURE.

SOMEWHERE YEARS FROM NOW, THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BOY OR A LITTLE GIRL WHO WILL SEE THE PICTURES FROM THIS TIME PERIOD.

I LIKE IT.

DURING MY TIME, I ADVOCATED STRONGLY FOR THE ABOLITION OF SLAVERY AND UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS.

IT WARMS MY HEART TO SEE AMERICA HAS PROGRESSED ON THAT FRONT LIBERTY AND EQUALITY.

AH, THIS HALLOWED GROUND WHERE MY DEAR FRIEND HAMILTON'S VICTORY BEGAN THE JOURNEY OF A UNITED AMERICA.

AFTER 200 YEARS, I AM GLAD TO RETURN TO AMERICA THE BATTLES.

THEY WERE MANY IN MY TIME, BUT THIS GREAT NATION WAS WORTH EVERY EFFORT.

THEN, JUST AS IT REMAINS WORTHY TODAY, THE SPIRIT OF LIBERTY HAS TRULY MADE THIS LAND OF BEACON OF HOPE AND OF PROGRESS.

AND THE FOLLOWING DAY, THE CELEBRATION CONTINUES ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW IS YORKTOWN DAY.

AND SINCE IT IS A SATURDAY, WE ARE EXPECTING LARGER THAN NORMAL CROWDS.

AND SO WE ARE ADDING IN A NUMBER OF NEW SURPRISES THIS YEAR.

IN ADDITION TO THE PARADE AND CEREMONIES, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE A VICTORY MARKET, WHICH WILL FEATURE A LAFAYETTE STORYTELLING TRAIL, A WINE GARDEN, A CHEF'S DEMO BY RIVERWALK RESTAURANT, COLONIAL GAMES FOR CHILDREN, AND LIFE MUSIC AS WELL.

ARE YOU GETTING EXCITED BECAUSE THERE'S MORE? ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024, WE WILL CELEBRATE THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE YORKTOWN TEA PARTY.

TO CELEBRATE THIS OCCASION, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE DAY EVENT THAT WILL BE MADE UP OF EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, MUSEUM AND EVENT EXHIBITIONS, LIVING HISTORY DEMONSTRATIONS, A PUBLIC CONCERT TWO, UH, TWO DAY MARITIME MARKET, THE MARITIME HERITAGE AND SEA SHANTY FESTIVAL, REENACTMENTS OF THE TEA PARTY AND CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AS WELL.

AND AS YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD, IN JUNE OF 2026, YORKTOWN WILL PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN SALE TWO 50 VIRGINIA, WHEN AN INTERNATIONAL FLEET OF TALL SHIPS AND MILITARY VESSELS WILL SAIL TO NORFOLK HAMPTON ROADS AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AREA.

THE YORKTOWN TALL SHIPS FESTIVAL, A SAIL TWO 50 VIRGINIA AFFILIATE EVENT WILL HOST, UH, SEVERAL TALL SHIPS AND MILITARY VESSELS AT THE RIVER WALK LANDING PIERS ON JUNE 12TH THROUGH THE 14TH.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS JUST A SLICE OF THE MANY ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE COMING YEARS.

AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE, WE INVITE YOU TO VISIT VA TWO FIFTY.ORG/YORK-COUNTY BECAUSE

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AND THEY TOO WILL BE INSPIRED.

I'M NOW GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO DARREN WILLIAMS, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU, HEIDI.

WOW.

TOUGH, TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW THERE.

SO, UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT.

OUR OPERATIONS AND EVENTS TEAM, YOU KNOW, THEY SPEND NIGHTS, WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS HERE, PUTTING ALL THESE EVENTS ON FOR, FOR ALL THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO YORK COUNTY.

SO CHRISTY AND I COULDN'T BE PROUDER OF THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE HERE AND ALL THE DEDICATION AND HARD WORK AND TIME THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS.

THIS IS A 365 DAY PLANNING CYCLE THAT WE HAVE.

WE GET THROUGH THE 4TH OF JULY, WE START PLANNING JULY 5TH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT, AND SO DID CHRISTIE, SHE WISH SHE COULD BE HERE TONIGHT.

SHE'S AT DC AT A MEDIA EVENT WITH OTHER OVER 30 PUBLICATIONS, MARKETING THE REGION.

UM, JUST REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO, TO THANK OUR TEAM AND, AND REALLY JUST APPRECIATE THEM.

AND AT THIS TIME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. SURE.

MR. DREW, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE'VE GOT A PACKED SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND, UM, EXCITED TO SEE WHAT, WHAT IT BRINGS TO YORKTOWN.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

I'M KIND OF OVERWHELMED BY ALL THIS STUFF.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN AT.

SO, SO AM I.

NO, , SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS YES, SIR.

THAT GO WITH GETTING THIS SET UP.

'CAUSE WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE A PARTY DOWN HERE, EVERYBODY SHOWS UP.

AND, UH, SO, UH, JUST, I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR HOW THIS IS GONNA WORK OUT AND I KNOW WE'LL PROBABLY HEAR MORE ABOUT IT.

UM, OUR 40 YEAR MEMBER BACK THERE, HE'LL, UH, HE'LL BE KEEPING US UP.

SPEED.

WHAT'S HAPPENED TOO, SO, OH YEAH.

I ACTUALLY, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING ALL THIS.

TREMENDOUS JOB PRESENTING THAT.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

MR. NOLAN, THANK YOU.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

ANYTHING THAT BRINGS TOURISTS INTO YORK COUNTY AND ANYBODY, ANYTHING THAT EXTOLS THE HISTORY THAT WE HAVE HERE, I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.

I HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE VILLAGE WILL APPRECIATE ALL OF THE, ALL THE TOURISTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HERE AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE HERE AND SO FORTH.

I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THAT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK TO WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TO OTHERS SO THAT THEY CAN ENJOY IT.

AND SOME LITTLE GIRL CAN LOOK AT IT AND THINK, I WANNA DO THAT WHEN I GET TO BE A BIG GIRL.

I JUST WANTED TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO ALICIA AND HEIDI.

UM, BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE.

APPRECIATE YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

UM, GREAT JOB.

UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK IT'S JUST, UH, JAM PACKED FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND WE SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG EVENT.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING, SIR.

UM, I REALLY LIKED THE LAFAYETTE VIDEO.

I THINK THAT WAS WELL DONE.

AND AS ALWAYS, JUST A WIDE ARRAY OF ACTIVITIES AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BALANCE BETWEEN LOCAL COMMUNITY INTERESTS, LIKE THE BOAT RACES, LIKE THE CONCERT SERIES AND SO FORTH.

BUT ALSO KEEPING FOCUS ON A HISTORICAL ASPECT OF, OF THE COUNTY, WHAT WE BRING TO VIRGINIA HISTORY AND AMERICA HISTORY.

I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT.

ALSO SHOWCASE AS WELL.

SO, GREAT JOB ON THE BALANCE.

GREAT JOB OVERALL.

UH, JUST, IT'S AN AMAZING ARRAY OF, OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, SUITS EVERYBODY.

SO FANTASTIC JOB.

KEEP IT UP.

AND, UM, I'M NOT USED TO CAPTAIN SCRUGGS THAT HIS HEAD ON, BUT ANYWAY, .

SO ANYWAY, THANKS.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WELCOME.

WITH, UH, WITH THAT, I THINK, UH,

[3* Social Services Annual Report: Receive Presentation from Margaret Mack-Yaroch, Director of York/Poquoson Social Services]

WE HAVE ANOTHER REPORT.

UH, YOU HAVE SOCIAL SERVICE REPORT FROM MRS. M YA.

OUR ALWAYS GET ALWAYS YEAH.

MACK YARD.

IT'S OKAY.

MR. ONE OF THESE DAYS.

I'LL, IT'S MARGARET MAC YARO.

SO THE CH IS BASICALLY NOT THERE ONE OF THESE DAYS.

IT'LL ROLL RIGHT OFF BUD.

THAT'S HER NAME.

ANYWAY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, .

GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND FELLOW AND LADY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH IS REPORTED BY CORD.

THAT'S FROM OUR ADVISORY COUNSELOR.

UM, YOU DO HAVE A MORE DETAILED PACKAGE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT, UH, LIST SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT AND TALK TODAY.

AND I HAVE TO PUT MY EYES ON FOR A SECOND TO PULL THIS UP.

, UH, HERE WE GO.

AND SHARE, SHARE, I'M SORRY.

LEAVE ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT GOING TO FULL PAGE.

LEMME JUST HIT SLIDESHOW.

AND THEN FROM BEGINNING.

'CAUSE WE ALWAYS REPORT A YEAR LATE, UM, IN ADVANCE.

LIKE I SAID, UM, PER OUR STATE CODE, WE ARE REQUIRED.

WE ALWAYS REPORT A YEAR BEHIND.

SO CURRENTLY FOR SOCIAL SERVICES, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN FISCAL YEAR 2025.

SO I AM GIVING YOU THE REPORT FOR 2023

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UM, JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND OVERVIEWS OF SOME OF OUR CITIZENS TO GO OVER OUR MI MISSION.

IT'S TO ASSIST THE BASIC NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS AND TO PROMOTE SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND ALSO TO PROTECT VULNERABLE CHILDREN AND ADULTS.

UM, OUR VALUES THAT WE HIGHLIGHT ARE CUSTOMER SERVICE, TEAMWORK, COMMUNICATION, APTITUDE, AND DEPENDABILITY.

WHEN WE LOOK AT 2023 AND THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS SERVED, WHICH OF COURSE CHANGES EVERY YEAR DEPENDING UPON THE PROGRAM, WE ROUGHLY SAW 15,461 UNDUPLICATED COUNT OF DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES CLIENTS.

UH, THERE WAS ROUGHLY A LITTLE UNDER 1300 COMBINED A PS AND CPS REPORTS.

WE HAD OVER 5,500 REQUESTS FOR FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, 734 SHORT-TERM EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE, AND 681 CHILDCARE AND EMPLOYMENT SERVICES.

UM, TO BREAK THAT FURTHER DOWN FOR THE SUMMARY OF IMPACT, THAT IS ACROSS 17 DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. AND, UH, 15,461 INDIVIDUALS, ROUGHLY A THIRD OF OUR POPULATION, DOES RECEIVE SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE FROM OUR DEPARTMENT.

IT'S INTERESTING.

AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT, TO NOTE SOME OF OUR SPENDING FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR DEPARTMENT FOR ALL SERVICES TO INCLUDE, UH, PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS IS MAJORITY, UH, REIMBURSED BY THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE.

SO WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, PURCHASE SERVICES, AND CLIENT BENEFITS.

UM, AND THE LOCAL MATCH, YOU CAN SEE ROUNDS OUT TO ABOUT JUST ABOUT 3% EXPENDITURES.

AGAIN, BY CATEGORY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PERCENTAGES OF 94.24% IS IN DIRECTLY CLIENT BENEFITS.

UM, ADMINISTRATIVE COST IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE AND A HALF, AND PURCHASE SERVICES IS LESS THAN 1%.

GIVES YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE DIAGRAM OF HOW OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, RECEIVES ITS FUNDING AND ITS REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE PROGRAMS AND THE SERVICES THAT WE OFFER OUR CITIZENS.

WENT TO GO BACK, SORRY, , INSERT FROM THE BEGINNING.

SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ALSO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE OFFER THAT, UM, IS A DIRECT BENEFIT TO BOTH, UH, YORK COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITY OF OCN.

SOME OF THAT IS CHILDCARE ASSISTANCE.

UM, WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHICH IS CALLED VIEW, THE VIRGINIA INITIATIVE FOR EMPLOYMENT AND NOT WELFARE.

WE HAVE, OF COURSE, SNAP, WHICH IS WIDELY, UM, KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITIONAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. AND THEN THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT WE RUN CALLED TANF, WHICH IS THE TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY FAMILIES.

AND THOSE PROGRAMS CAN RUN CONCURRENTLY OR SOLELY INDIVIDUALLY ON THEIR OWN.

UM, SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE IN SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY, OBVIOUSLY THE CHILDREN'S SERVICES ACT, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE FAMILY ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING TEAMS, UM, IN COMBINATION WITH THE SCHOOLS AS WELL AS OUR CPMT TEAMS TO DETERMINE FUNDING AND SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED TO KEEP CHILDREN IN THEIR HOME AND TO PREVENT THEM FROM, UH, BEING PLACED OUT OF THEIR HOME.

IN FOSTER CARE, WHICH IS ALWAYS OUR LAST RESORT, OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO REUNITE FAMILIES.

SO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY RESOURCE IMPACTS SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT GIVE TO US EVERY YEAR.

IN ADDITION TO OUR OWN BUDGET.

IN 2023, WE RECEIVED JUST UNDER 15,000, UM, THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND OUR RELATIONSHIPS.

UM, AND THAT GREATLY HELPED US CERTAINLY COMING OUT OF COV TO HIGHLIGHT JUST SOME OF THEM.

BARGAIN BOX, GRAFTON, KANIS CLUB, KIRKWOOD PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, THE PROVIDENCE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, THE TON CLUB ST.

JOAN OF ART CATHOLIC CHURCH, ST.

TIMOTHY'S, ANGLICAN CHURCH, AND ST.

TIMOTHY'S ORTHODOX CHURCH.

SOME OF THE AGENCY NOTABLES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, OUR DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN STRIVING WITH INITIATIVES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

IN 20 23, 1 OF OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, WE CONGRATULATED SHERRY DREW, WHO GRADUATED FROM THE EMERGING LEADERS ACADEMY, OF WHICH SHE STATED THAT SHE GAINED INVALUABLE KNOWLEDGE AND INSET AND BEING ABLE TO BE SELECTED AS A PARTICIPANT FOR THAT PROGRAM.

UM, COLLECTIVELY OVER THE YEARS FOR AWARDS FOR SERVICE, UM, WE HAVE OVER 672 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND A STAFF CURRENTLY OF JUST UNDER 68 EMPLOYEES.

UM, WE HAVE THEM AT THE 35 YEAR MARK, 25 YEAR MARK, 20 YEAR MARK, 15 YEAR MARK, AS WELL AS THE 10 YEAR MARK.

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ONE OF OUR GREATEST INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD, JUST TO NOTE FOR THIS YEAR, UM, WHICH WAS NOT 2023, BUT IN 2025, CURRENTLY FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE REPORTING, WE HAVE 22 CHILDREN, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN FOSTER CARE.

DURING THE YEAR OF 2023, WE SAW A HIGH OF 32.

SO YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THE BILLBOARDS THAT ARE ON 17 OF WHERE WE ARE ACTIVELY RECRUITING FOSTER PARENTS.

AND WE'RE WORKING NOT JUST LOCALLY, UM, FOR FINDING THOSE RESOURCE FAMILIES, BUT WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE STATE AND OTHER PRIVATE PROVIDERS.

AND LASTLY, TO TALK FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN 2023 AND 2025, BASICALLY 2025, THIS NEW YEAR, WE'VE SEEN ROUGHLY ABOUT A $307,000 INCREASE OF FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED AND THAT WE ASKED FOR, MOST NOTABLY, JUST, UH, FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE.

OUT OF 120 LOCALITIES OF DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, WE WERE ONE OF TWO THAT WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE MEDICAID UNWINDING.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO OUTSOURCE IT.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE MEDICAID UNWINDING FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD THOSE INCREASED SERVICES.

WE DID IT IN-HOUSE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE TO OUTSOURCE OUT, AND WE DID REQUEST FUNDING FROM FEDERAL AND STATE AND GOT FULLY REIMBURSED.

SO IT WAS A PRETTY NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR MY TEAM, OF WHICH I'M GREATLY, UH, ENDEAVOR TO ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE AND, AND THE GREAT WORK THAT WE DO.

BUT OVERALL, THE BUDGET ITSELF, UM, FOR REIMBURSEMENT STATES, FOR FEDERAL AND FOR STATE, IT'S ROUGHLY SIX, $6,000,806 THAT WE OVERSEE IN DIFFERENT SERVICES.

AND SO OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TELL THAT'S A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT BENEFITS DIRECTLY TO OUR CITIZENS AND TO OUR FAMILIES AND NEEDS.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE WITH MY 2023 REPORT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

I'LL START HERE.

MRS. NOEL, UH, THANK YOU.

DID I SAY A TELEVISION PROGRAM RECENTLY TALKING ABOUT FOSTER CARE, UH, ON OUR, FOR CHANNEL 46 AND LOOKING FOR TRAINING FOR FOSTER CARE PARENTS, BUT ALSO IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THAT YOU EVEN NEED FOSTER CARE FOR WEEKEND FOR RESPITE CARE.

RE THANK YOU FOR RESITE FOR RESPITE CARE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, PLEASE? YES.

THANK YOU, MRS. NOLL.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE RELUCTANT TO GO INTO THE COMMITMENT FOR BECOMING A FOSTER CARE PARENT BECAUSE OF THE TIME COMMITMENT, BECAUSE REALISTICALLY, WE CAN NEVER PUT AN EXACT TIMEFRAME.

BUT WE DO LET PARENTS KNOW THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A FOSTER CARE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM BEING OUT OF YOUR CARE FOR THE FIRST 90 DAYS IS VERY UNLIKELY.

AND THAT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE COURT DOCUMENTS, THE LEGALIZATIONS, GETTING THE PARENTS, THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.

RESPITE CARE IS MUCH SHORT TERM.

THAT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM AN OVERNIGHT TO A WEEK OR TO TWO WEEKS.

AND SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE WILLING TO TAKE ON THAT CHALLENGE AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS SO LONG TERM, ESPECIALLY IN PARTICULAR IF THEY HAVE OTHER CHILDREN WITHIN THEIR OWN HOME.

MM-HMM, , THANK YOU.

BUT THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MR. ROY.

I DIDN'T, MARGARET, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

I JUST WANTED TO REACH OUT AND SAY THANK YOU.

UM, THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHERE, WHERE WE'VE HAD TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND REACH OUT FOR PERSONNEL IN, IN EACH CONSTITUENCY.

AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE TO HELP ME AS, AS WE'VE UNCOVERED ISSUES AND, UH, AND TRIED TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO WORK THAT I THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TEAM.

I, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

THE, THE WORK, THE WORK THAT OUR TEAM DOES IS VERY HARD, BUT OBVIOUSLY VERY NECESSARY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. JURY.

I ECHO, UM, MY CONSTITUENCY HERE AS WELL.

UH, ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU GUYS, LADIES PUT INTO THIS.

UM, I'VE KNOWN SOME FAMILIES OVER THE YEARS THAT TAKE IN FOSTER CHILDREN AND IT'S HARD.

UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND IT TAKES SPECIAL PEOPLE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND, AND LIVE THROUGH IT AND TELL ABOUT IT.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK.

UM, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE'RE HELPING ACROSS THE COUNTY.

UM, IT'S KIND OF SURPRISING, BUT MAYBE NOT SO MUCH.

MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE AND, UH, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

SO THANK YOU.

THEIR HOME, AND IT REALLY CHANGES THE LIVES FOR THESE CHILDREN AS THEY COME INTO OUR CARE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING OUR RESOURCE FAMILIES BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY SINCE WE ARE ON TELEVISION, THAT I CANNOT THANK THE RESOURCE FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH JUST TODAY, NO EXAGGERATION IN THE OFFICE FOR ONLY HALF THE DAY BEFORE I WENT TO ANOTHER MEETING, I SIGNED SIX OUT OF TOWN REQUESTS FOR FAMILY VACATIONS, FOR KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO DISNEY WORLD AND THEY'RE GOING TO TENNESSEE.

THESE AREN'T JUST PARENTS THAT ARE TAKING THEM IN TO TAKE THEM IN TO SAY THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING A CHECK.

THEY MAKE THEM A PART OF THEIR FAMILY,

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SO IT DOES TAKE VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE AND WE'RE SO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE RESOURCE FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE.

MR. SHEPHERD, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, I HOW BLEAK SOME THINGS CAN BE IN LIFE FOR, UH, SOME KIDS.

I THINK PARTICULARLY KIDS, BUT FOR THE PARENT, FOR THE, WELL, THE, THE ADULTS IN THE FAMILY, I WON'T NECESSARILY SAY THEIR, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PARENTS.

UM, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, WE RECEIVE A, A REPORT, CONFIDENTIAL REPORT AT A QUARTER HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IDENTIFIES THINGS, THE COURT'S ACTIONS, THINGS THAT COUNTY STAFF, UH, HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH TO PROTECT CHILDREN.

AND IT JUST ASTOUNDS ME.

UH, I SHOULDN'T BE ASTOUNDED, BUT IT IS, IT'S JUST THAT SOME OF THE, THE, THE CHILDREN STARVING TO DEATH, UH, ALMOST STARVING TO DEATH, BEING ABUSED, UH, PHYSICALLY ABUSED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE IN DANGER.

AND, UH, THE, THE ADULTS IN THE HOME, UH, ON DRUGS, UH, CHILDREN CRAWLING AROUND IN DRUGS, WE'VE SEEN THIS OVER THE YEARS.

UM, NOT EVERYTHING'S ROSES IN THE COUNTY.

WE GOT A GREAT COUNTY TO LIVE IN, BUT SOME OF THE STUFF IS REALLY BRUTAL.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU SAID YOU HIT SOMETHING THAT JUST REALLY GOT MY ATTENTION.

YOU SAID ONE THIRD OF THIS COUNTY IS RECEIVING SOME FORM OF ASSISTANCE JUST SHY OF SOME FORM ONE THIRD.

NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL THAT CAN BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ASSISTANCE.

THAT COULD BE A, I MEAN, SOME PART OF IT THOUGH, UTILITY BILL.

IT COULD BE A, UH, IT COULD BE JUST, UM, HAVING A SNAP EBT CARD.

UM, IT COULD BE TEMPORARY, IT COULD BE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

BUT YES, OVERALL ON THE STATISTICS, AND I'M REPORTING THE NUMBERS FOR 2023, RIGHT.

AND WHEN I REPORT NEXT YEAR IS THEY HAVE BEEN IN JUST SHY OF FOUR YEARS NOW, IN MY TERM, AS DIRECTOR OVER THIS DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN INCREASINGLY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMPARATIVE STATISTICS ROUGHLY FOR SAY, NEWPORT NEWS OR HAMPTON? OH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE VERY RELATIVELY LOW, SIR.

AND IN COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORING PARTNERS, WE'RE VERY LOW.

SO LET'S TAKE A SAME SIZE LOCALITY, RIGHT? SUCH AS JAMES CITY COUNTY.

THEY'RE A COMPARABLE COUNTY FOR US AS FAR AS SIZE OF DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE STRUCTURED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SEEING GREATER NUMBERS, UM, THAN OTHERS.

WE'RE STILL CONSIDERED VERY LOW.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND OUR GOAL IN OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR YORK AND PCOS AND SOCIAL SERVICES IS WE FOCUS ON THE QUALITY OF OUR WORK, NOT THE QUANTITY.

SO WE DON'T WANNA JUST GO IN AND CLOSE A CASE.

WE DON'T WANNA JUST GO IN AND GIVE A TEMPORARY BANDAID BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS IT BECOMES ICAL AND THEY COME BACK INTO THE SYSTEM AGAIN.

SO WE TRY TO TREAT THE FAMILY AS A WHOLE.

UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE LONG-TERM OUTCOMES BE SUCCESSFUL.

WELL, I, AND I THINK MANY OF THE, UH, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS, THERE IS SOME ISSUES.

I DON'T CARE WHAT COMMUNITY YOU LIVE IN, IN YORK COUNTY, THERE IS, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEEDS MM-HMM.

THAT NEED, NEED SOME HELP.

UM, BUT I'VE NEVER, BEFORE EVER REALIZE, YOU KNOW, ONE THIRD OF A COUNTY WHO'S, I SAY HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE, AND YET WE HAVE THIS KIND OF SITUATION AND IT JUST, THAT'S AN EYEOPENER FOR ME.

AND IT SHOULD BE AN EYEOPENER AS YOU, YOU, YOU POINTED OUT THERE, WAYNE.

UM, THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AROUND AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR, UH, OUR WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, IN THE COUNTY LIKE THAT.

NOW, UM, I LOOKED AT THE LIST OF SOCIAL SERVICE SPENDING LIST HERE THAT YOU GAVE US.

AND, UH, SO YOUR TOTAL BUDGET'S $115 MILLION OR WELL, IT TALKS ABOUT THE TOTAL.

YEAH, THE TOTAL 115,000,700, THAT'S ALMOST $116 MILLION.

, THAT'S A WHOPPING SUM OF MONEY.

WE'RE A VERY SAFE COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND HE'S GOT THE THING WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOT IN YORK COUNTY.

FOR NOW.

DOES YOUR, YOU'RE TALKING YOUR COUNTY AND PCOS? MM-HMM.

, DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY, ANY, UH, RESIDENTS EXTERNAL TO THOSE TWO ORGANIZATIONS? OR TWO MUNICIPALITIES? NO, WE ARE A DUAL FIPS.

WE'RE ONE OF ONLY THREE OR FOUR IN THE STATE.

SO WE ARE, UH, THE MAJORITY IS YORK COUNTY.

UM, THE PERCENTAGE FOR PACOIN OBVIOUSLY IS MUCH SMALLER JUST DUE TO SIZE.

AND, UM, THE NUMBER, IT'S STILL WALKING SUM OF MONEY FOR, FOR A POPULATION IS PROBABLY COMBINED.

IT'S ONLY AROUND 80, MAYBE 85,000 AT THE MOST.

AND, UM, SO WHEN I ASKED HER LIKE COMPARATIVE NUMBERS, IF WE HAVE COMMUNITIES NEXT TO US, HAMPTON NEWPORT NEWS THAT HAVE CORE ISSUES OF BIG CITIES, WHICH ARE VERY TYPICAL.

AND WHAT WE SEE HERE WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN A, YOU KNOW, RON MONTGOMERY COME, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY COMES UP AND TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,

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AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING TO WATCH.

BUT WE, NEXT TO US, WE HAVE CITIES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY WORSE SITUATIONS.

OH YES.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY INTUITIVELY UNDERSTANDS THAT CALL.

YOU GOTTA JUST WATCH THE NEWS.

BUT I'M INTERESTED IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF THOSE OTHER CITIES ARE A PROBLEM.

I COULD GIVE YOU A DETAILED REPORT.

THE STATE PUTS IT OUT, IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, IT'S FUSION, UM, THAT IS THE STATE'S SOCIAL SERVICES WEBSITE.

YOU CAN PULL DOWN ANY LOCALITY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND THEY WILL LITERALLY LIST OUT YOU FOR THE STATS FOR WHAT IS SPENT FOR EACH PROGRAM.

BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO, AFTER THIS MEETING BE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT I THINK THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY CAN UNDERSTAND ISSUES WITH CRIME BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A TIE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN, I DON'T, I DON'T CARE HOW YOU CUT IT.

THE MORE SOCIAL SERVICES REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, THE HIGHER THE CRIME RATE'S GONNA BE.

AND SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, IS THAT WE NOT FORGET THAT, BUT WE NOT FORGET WHO OUR, WHO OUR CITIZENS ARE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE BRIEFING, UH, THE DETAILS JUST REALLY, REALLY KEY TO A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND THAT I'D LIKE TO GET THAT INFORMATION.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.

I WILL ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

MM-HMM, , THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE REPORTS.

UM, I KNOW THE RELIEF THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF PROVIDES CAN BE TREMENDOUS AT TIMES, BUT, AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SERVING THE THIRD OF OUR COMMUNITY TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER, I HAVE TO IMAGINE THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE IN NEED, BUT MAYBE NOT KNOW HOW TO REACH YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR, BUT MAYBE EVEN MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER BARRIERS TO REACHING OUT TO YOU.

SO CAN YOU PROVIDE A, A QUICK SURE.

HOW BEST TO REACH Y'ALL FOR HELP.

SO IF YOU ARE, HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, ANY COMPUTER AND GO TO THE YORK COUNTY WEBSITE, WE ARE LISTED UNDER THE GOVERNMENT TAB UNDER SOCIAL SERVICES, AND THEY HAVE DIRECT LINKS TO EACH PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER.

WE ALSO HAVE AN APPLICATION WHERE YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME INTO THE OFFICE.

WE ALWAYS TAKE ANY WALK-IN CLIENT.

THAT IS, BUT IF SOMEBODY FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AND WANTED TO DO IT FROM THEIR HOME, YOU CAN ACTUALLY APPLY FOR, SAY, ALL 17 PROGRAMS. MAYBE YOU ONLY QUALIFY FOR TWO, BUT FILL OUT YOUR APPLICATION ONCE.

THAT'S ONE WAY.

ANOTHER WAY IS YOU CAN CALL CERTAINLY AHEAD OF TIME, UM, IF YOU WANNA TRY TO SCHEDULE AND AGAIN, APPOINTMENT ADVANCE.

AND THAT PHONE NUMBER IS (757) 890-3787.

AND YOUR OFFICE IS LOCATED 3 0 1 GOODWIN NECK UP ROAD.

COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS, MR. HILL.

UM, NO LONGER THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE UNDERNEATH , BUT WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS' COMMENT AT THIS AT THIS TIME, SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UM,

[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

JUST VERY BRIEFLY, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO NOTE WAS, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT, UH, MARGARET SAID, ONE THING THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THIS COUNTY AND HAS BECOME MORE PREVALENT IS THE AMOUNT OF ADULT, UM, PROTECTIVE MATTERS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD.

MY OFFICE SEES QUITE A BIT OF THOSE, AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE REPORT THAT MARGARET HAS, THAT SOCIAL SERVICE HAS PREPARED THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE CASES, UM, COMPARED TO INVESTIGATIONS FOR ADULTS AS ALMOST HALF AS OPPOSED TO FOR CHILDREN.

UM, BUT I BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE TODAY OR YESTERDAY, UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN IN THE NEWS, UH, INSTITUTED A, UH, ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES, ADULT PROTECTIVE UNIT FOR CENTRAL VIRGINIA.

AND IN, AND IN THE PRESS RELEASE WHERE HE ANNOUNCED THAT HE GAVE KUDOS TO THE, UH, LOCAL PENINSULA ELDER ABUSE FORENSIC CENTER, AND ONE OF MARGARET'S STAFFERS IS THE HEAD OF THAT UNIT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST MENTION THE VERY GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO, AND WE SEE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS IN OUR OFFICE WORKING WITH THOSE ADULT PROTECTIVE CASES AND HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT IT IS.

AND I, I, I DIDN'T THINK MARGARET WOULD MENTION IT, BUT I WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT SINCE SHE WAS TALKING.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT.

MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.

UH, MR. BELLAMY ATTORNEY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT.

MR. ROWE.

NO, NO COMMENTS TONIGHT.

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

MR. DREWRY, START OFF WITH YOU.

UM, I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GONNA GET THERE THAT FAST, SO I WASN'T, WASN'T QUITE PREPARED FOR THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING UP SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, LIKE BRINGING BACK THE BOAT RACES AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF I THINK HAS BEEN GREAT FOR THE COUNTY.

UM, AND MY WIFE AND I GO DOWN AND LISTEN TO THE MUSIC ON THE BEACH AND,

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UH, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD TIME UNLESS THE RAIN RUNS US OUT OF THERE.

UM, BUT THERE'S SO MANY GREAT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN, IN THE COUNTY, UM, THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF THE COUNTY THAT WE LIVE IN AND WE, THAT WE PLAY IN AND WORK IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S JUST SO MUCH BENEFIT OF BEING IN A, A COUNTY LIKE YORK, WHERE PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT OTHERS, THE SOCIAL SERVICES, UM, DIVISION THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO HELPING THOSE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE.

AND SO WE, WE DO HAVE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

AND SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND SAY, GOOD JOB.

WELL DONE.

UH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

UM, I WAS THRILLED TO SEE THE NEW SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE QUALITY OF THAT BUILDING.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'LL BE A GREAT BUILDING FOR OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR MANY DECADES TO COME.

AND, UH, AS SHERIFF MONTGOMERY MENTIONED, THE DAY OF THE RIBBON CUTTING, IT'S, IT'S Y'ALL'S BUILDING.

THERE'S ROOMS IN THERE THAT CAN BE USED, UM, TIS WISE.

SO YOU JUST HAVE TO GO AND, AND SIGN UP FOR USING THOSE ROOMS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT NOW HAS A, A WORKOUT CENTER FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, THE DEPUTIES AND THOSE THAT WORK THERE, UH, TO GO WORK OUT AND STAY IN SHAPE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, 24 HOURS THAT THEY CAN GO IN THERE.

SO ANYTIME THEY'RE OFF DUTY, THEY CAN GO IN AND WORK OUT.

SO, UM, AGAIN, IT'S A GREAT FACILITY.

I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO WITH, UH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAVING A NEW FACILITY LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, OH, AND SEAFORD, I THINK SEAFORD ELEMENTARY IS ALMOST DONE .

UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN A, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A THORN IN OUR SIDE FOR A LONG TIME.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, FROM, UH, DR. CARROLL THAT THEY'RE WAITING ON THE FINAL APPROVAL FROM VDOT TO TAKE OVER THE ROAD SYSTEM THERE, UH, AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE DITCHES.

SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF GETTING THAT DONE.

AND, UH, MAYBE THE TRAFFIC WILL BE A LOT BETTER IN SEAFORD.

I KNOW MY CONSTITUENTS DOWN THERE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT A LOT.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A GREAT TRIP TO GERMANY TOMORROW, A FEW OF US.

AND I'M EXCITED TO GO SEE OUR SISTER CITY DUA BRUEN AND, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THEM AND LEARNING ABOUT, UH, THEIR, THEIR LITTLE TOWN THERE, UH, IN GERMANY.

SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK ON THAT NEXT MONTH.

SO, ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. DREWRY.

MR. SHEPHERD.

THE, I I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT TIME OF THE YEAR WE GET OUT THERE, WE'RE GONNA HIT THE BEACH.

I HIT THE GOLF COURSE.

ANYTHING IN YOUR CAR THAT YOU VALUE, PARTICULARLY KIDS.

, THAT'S WHY I LIVE PRACTICALLY LIVE ON THE GOLF COURSES.

WELL, AN INCIDENT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY THAT, UH, IN, IN, IN MY TIME IN THE MILITARY, WE, YOU, WE DO SURVIVAL TRAINING, OKAY? I MEAN, YOU, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE NATURAL PART OF BEING IN THE MILITARY.

AND UH, AND I JUST WATCHED A YOUNG LADY WHO'S JUST BACKPACK PROBABLY HAD A HUNDRED POUNDS ON HER BACK, JOGGING DOWN THE STREET.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PROBABLY NEXT WEEK IS GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TEMPERATURE INCREASE THAT'S GONNA GET YOUR ATTENTION, OKAY? AND THIS PAST WEEK I HAD, UH, ONE OF MY, UH, GOLF BUDDIES.

UM, NEXT THING I KNOW, HE'S JUST HEAVING HIS GUTS OUT RIGHT THERE ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE TEE BOX.

AND, UH, AND HE, HE JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WAS, WE'RE WATCHING, GOING, OKAY, WE'RE WAITING FOR HIM TO GET THROUGH.

WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED, HE GOT DEHYDRATED, JUST TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING WATER.

AND IF YOU GET OVERHEATED, I'VE HAD FRIENDS OF MINE PLAYING GOLF, THEY'VE LITERALLY PASSED OUT.

JUST BE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE THESE ARMY GUYS THAT LOVE TO DO THIS.

I GUESS IT'S THE MACHO THING, BUT, UH, I TELL YOU, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA KEEP, A LOT OF TIMES YOU FORGET YOU'RE OUT WORKING.

IF YOU'RE GARDENING, IF YOU'RE JUST CHOPPING WOOD SAWING OR JUST BEING OUT ON A ROOF OR ON A, OR GOING OUT WALKING WHEN IT'S, UH, CLOSE TO A HUNDRED DEGREES AND YOU STAY OUT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND YOU FORGET TO DRINK WATER, I GUARANTEE YOU YOU'RE GONNA GET NOT ONLY JUST SICK, BUT YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP BEING SO FATIGUED THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE WORTHLESS FOR PROBABLY ABOUT A DAY AND A HALF FOR YOUR BODY TO CATCH UP.

AND BY THE TIME YOU'RE THIRSTY, IT'S TOO LATE.

OKAY? IT'S, YOUR BODY HAS NEEDED THAT WATER BEFORE.

SO, AND ONE OTHER THING, ALL OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF PETS, YOU KNOW, THE FRIENDS OF HUMANS, THE DOGS, THE CATS, THE RABBITS, THE GOATS, THE CHICKENS, WHATEVER, THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

AND, UH, IF YOU TAKE YOUR DOG OUT THERE AND HE'S WALKING ON A ROAD AND IT'S THE TEMPERATURE'S 95 DEGREES, WELL THAT ROAD'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO 120.

AND YOU'LL NOTICE THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO GET OFF THE ROAD IF THEY CAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE PROTECTIVE.

DON'T LEAVE

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GOD, IT JUST KILLS ME WHEN I HEAR ABOUT THAT EVERY YEAR.

UM, AND, UM, AND, AND CHILDREN, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THE STORE AND YOU LEAVE TWO KIDS IN THE CAR AND YOU LEAVE THE CAR RUNNING, 'CAUSE YOU THESE NEW CARS WILL DO THAT.

WELL, IF YOU GET SO FAR AWAY, IT'S NOT CATCHING THE FOB, GUESS WHAT? IT TURNS THE CAR OFF AND YOUR KIDS ARE IN STILL IN THE CAR.

AND, AND I'VE HAD A CASE WHERE I HAD TO CALL THE, CALL THE, IN NEWPORT NEWS, CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE TO RESPOND TO A CHILD THAT WAS LEFT IN A CAR DURING THE SUMMER.

AND UM, AND HE WAS OKAY EVENTUALLY, BUT HE COULDN'T WAKE HIM UP.

SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME.

SO ANYWAY, FOLKS, TEMPERATURE'S GONNA RAISE THE NEXT OR NEXT WEEK.

IT'S GONNA BE REALLY UP THERE NEXT PROBABLY WEEK AND A HALF.

SO BE PREPARED.

UH, THE PENINSULA CHINESE-AMERICAN ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU MR. SHEPHERD.

MR. NOR THANK YOU.

UM, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, MR. RIA, ABOUT GREAT THINGS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY.

AND THIS WEEKEND THERE WERE TWO GREAT THINGS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY THAT MR. ROWAN AND I PARTICIPATED IN.

I'LL TALK ABOUT ONE AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE.

IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED OVER 40 YEARS AGO.

AND THE PURPOSE REALLY WAS TO PROMOTE FELLOWSHIP, UH, AMONG THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES SO THAT WE COULD BETTER REACH AN UNDERSTANDING OF EACH OTHER'S CULTURES.

BUT ONE THING THAT THEY STARTED BACK IN, UH, SINCE 2007, IS THEY STARTED TO AWARD SCHOLARSHIPS TO STUDENTS.

AND SO FAR SINCE THAT TIME, THEY'VE GIVEN 70 SCHOLARSHIPS OUT.

AND THAT'S YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE RAISE MONEY FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND FOR FELLOWSHIP, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.

AND WE WERE VERY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO GO TO A, A OUTING THIS SATURDAY.

AND WE SAW FIVE STUDENTS FROM GRAFTON WHO RECEIVES SCHOLARSHIPS.

AND IF I CAN PRONOUNCE THE NAMES, IF I DON'T DO THEM CORRECTLY, PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

BUT HANNAH HALL, UH, IS GOING TO GO TO STANFORD UNIVERSITY AND STUDY ARTS AND HUMANITIES.

HANNAH CHEN IS GOING TO GO TO UVA AND SHE'S GONNA STUDY COMM COMPUTER ENGINEERING.

IAN ZANG IS GOING TO UVA AND HE'S ALSO GONNA BE STUDYING, BUT COMPUTER SCIENCE.

AND KEEGAN CLARK IS GOING TO GO TO VIRGINIA TECH TO STUDY ECONOMICS.

THOSE ARE THE ONES FROM OUR AREA.

BUT THE OTHER ONES THAT THEY AWARDED WAS, UH, JANIE'S, UH, JOHNNY ZING.

AND HE'S GOING TO GO TO DUKE UNIVERSITY TO STUDY BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING.

LEO FINN IS GOING TO HAVE, IS GOING TO PRINCETON TO STUDY CHEMISTRY.

AARON LYNN IS GOING TO GO TO YALE AND HE'S GONNA STUDY ECONOMICS AND POLITICAL SCIENCE.

AND THESE ARE WONDERFUL YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HOPEFULLY BECAUSE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THIS AREA WILL COME BACK AND WE WILL BENEFIT BY WHAT THEY HAVE LEARNED AND IF THEY JOIN OUR WORKFORCE, THAT WILL BE ADDING SO MUCH MORE TO OUR COMMUNITIES.

BUT I REALLY WANNA THANK THE ORGANIZATION SO MUCH FOR INVITING US BECAUSE IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE DO.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS REALLY BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT, IS THAT IT'S SUCH A COSMOPOLITAN DISTRICT.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM CHINA, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM JAPAN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM INDIA, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE FROM KOREA, WE'VE GOT DUR IT.

AND IT JUST ADDS SO MUCH TO THE FABRIC OF YOUR COUNTY.

AND SO I WAS VERY PLEASED AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE ON SATURDAY.

AND THE SECOND ITEM IS GONNA BE WHAT MR. ROW AND I HOPE WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

SO I'LL KEEP QUIET.

BUILDING UP, BUILDING UP, BUILDING UP.

WELL, SO YEAH, SO REAL QUICK ALSO, THE AWARD CEREMONY WASN'T JUST A ON THE STAGE AWARD CEREMONY, WE GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR BARBECUE LOT, LOT OF GOOD FOOD BROUGHT THERE AND HAD OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RECOGNIZE AREA YOUTH.

SO IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE SO MANY, UM, UH, FAMILIES FROM YORK COUNTY.

SO MANY OF OUR STUDENTS THERE RECEIVE RECEIVING THAT RECOGNITION.

AND WHAT, SO WE WERE THERE AT NOON AND THEN A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT, I THINK WE HUSTLED HOME, GOT, UH, SQUARED AWAY.

THEN WE ENDED UP AT THE, AT THE MAC, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE WE HAD OUR THIRD ANNUAL, RIGHT? THIRD ANNUAL, YES.

THIRD ANNUAL, UH, JUNETEENTH, UH, RECOGNITION.

UM, SO AGAIN, THAT WAS ANOTHER GREAT EVENT OUT THERE.

UM, THAT WENT FROM NOON TILL WELL INTO THE EVENING.

'CAUSE I THINK IT WRAPPED UP WITH A MOVIE AT 8 8 30 AND THERE WERE ACTIVITIES ALL DAY LONG OUT THERE.

WE HAD FOOD TRUCKS, UM, HAD NATIONAL PARK SERVICES OUT THERE WITH, WITH, UM, PRESENTATION.

THE, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WAS OUT THERE AS WELL.

SO WE HAD GREAT REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE COUNTY.

UM, AND, AND ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY IT JUST KEPT

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UM, I DUNNO HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE BY THE TIME, BY THE TIME I LEFT OR BY THE TIME THE MOVIE ROLLED AROUND.

BUT, UH, YEAH, AGAIN, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE GOTTA PARTICIPATE IN TOGETHER.

AND THAT WAS OUR, AGAIN, THE THIRD ANNUAL, UM, JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION.

SO, AND AT THAT MR. ROY, COUPLE OF ITEMS, UM, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THOSE WHO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, YOU'LL BE AS THRILLED AS I WAS.

I WAS OUT ON THE KALMAR NICKEL LAST WEEK.

TALL SHIP, DONE THAT, UH, THEY'RE BACK HERE.

UH, THEY'RE BACK HERE A COUPLE MORE TIMES THIS SUMMER.

SO THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, TO GO ON BOARD.

THAT WAS A FABULOUS CRUISE.

AND THAT LIKE THE, UM, ALL VOLUNTEER, UH, CREWMEN ON, ON BOARD THE KMAR NICHOLS.

SO THERE'S ONLY THREE, UH, THREE ACTUAL, UH, EMPLOYEES.

UH, EVERYONE ELSE IS, IS TRAINING FOR THE SUMMER TO BE A, A SAILOR.

IT WAS A GREAT TIME PULLING SHEETS AND, AND, AND TACKING AND DOING ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU LIKE TO DO ON A SAILBOAT, BUT ON A MUCH BIGGER ONE.

I HAD, UM, SEVERAL NOTES THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM FOLKS IN QUEENS LAKE AREA.

WE'VE GOT, UH, COLONIAL PARKWAY SHUTTING DOWN IN THE, UH, QUEENS LAKE AREA BY WINTER OF 2024, AND IT'S FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD.

MM-HMM, .

UH, AND WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOME OPTIONS TO ALLEVIATE CERTAINLY THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, LAKEHEAD AND, UH, HUBBARD.

UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A MISERABLE, UH, INTERSECTION, UH, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME IF WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING TO HELP THAT.

SO I'LL ASK THE COUNTY'S HELP TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT.

I'VE ALREADY ASKED, UH, CONGRESSMAN WHITMAN'S HELP, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO VIA THE NATIONAL PARKS TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION.

FINAL ONE, AND WAYNE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED ON IT, THREE OF THREE OF US AT THIS TABLE AND, AND BRIAN FULLER AT THE BACK ARE, UH, OUR PART OF A DELEGATION GOING TO BRECKEN, UH, TOMORROW, UH, FOR, FOR SEVEN DAYS, UH, TO SEE OUR SISTER CITY.

I DO WANNA MENTION THAT THAT'S ON OUR NICKEL.

IT'S NOT A COUNTY PAID EVENT.

UM, SO FOR THOSE WHO THANK YOU FOR THAT, WHO ARE, FOR THOSE WHO ARE QUESTIONING IT, UM, WE, UH, WE VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE THAT TRIP AND, UH, HAVE MADE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S NO COST TO THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, VISITING OUR SISTER CITY, LEARNING, LEARNING THE THINGS THAT THEY, UH, HAVE, UH, THAT ARE SO SPECIAL.

THEY WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, GROUP THAT DEFENDED READOUT NINE IN, UH, YORKTOWN AT THE SIEGE OF, UH, OF, UH, RN WALLACE.

SO THEY, THEY'VE GOT DEEP ROOTS WITH, UH, WITH THIS, UH, WITH THIS CITY AND WITH THIS COUNTY.

AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HEARING MORE ON THAT.

THANKS.

YOU HAVE AN HOA OR ANOTHER COMMUNITY TYPE, UH, ORGANIZATION, AND LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAVE A MEETING, REACH OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THE ROOM'S AVAILABLE AND GET IT BOOKED, UM, YOU KNOW, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE IT.

A FEW THINGS REAL QUICK.

UM, SO LAST NIGHT, UM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ALONG WITH OUR, THE, UM, MY, MY PARTNERS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OF CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, CONDUCTED THIS QUARTER'S, UH, COMMUNITY EVENT THERE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND THAT WAS A, A LITTLE SEMINAR ON HOW TO BE BETTER PREPARED, AWARE OF, AND BE PREPARED TO COMBAT SCAMS. UM, I THINK SHERIFF MONTGOMERY SHARED THAT LAST YEAR, YOUR, YOUR SCAMS COST YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN, IN CASH.

SO THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF PEOPLE'S POCKETS, UM, FROM ONE SCAM OR ANOTHER, WHETHER IT BE COMPUTER BASED PHONE CALL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

UM, ONE GENTLEMAN, UNFORTUNATELY, THROUGH A SERIES OF A COUPLE EVENTS, AND ENDED UP LOSING $335,000, UM, TO ONE, ONE SCAM.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S VERY PAINFUL TO HEAR.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THAT WAS CONDUCTED, THAT WILL, THAT MONEY WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE RECOVERED.

THERE ARE SOME SUCCESS STORIES THERE, THOUGH, FORTUNATELY, I THINK IT WAS COASTAL CHURCH AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT, UM, HAD, HAD AN INCIDENT HAPPEN AND, UM, UH, FORTUNATELY THAT WAS TRACEABLE AND TRACKABLE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY WAS, WAS RECOVERED FOR THE, FOR THE CHURCH.

BUT IT, IT, IT, IT IS PERSISTENT.

IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

THE BEST DEFENSE AGAINST IT IS GONNA BE AWARENESS, MAKING YOURSELF AWARE AND JUST STOPPING AND THINK A MOMENT IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

DOES IT MAKE SENSE? A LOT, A LOT OF THE SCAMS THAT PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING ARE URGENT PHONE CALLS FROM SOMEBODY SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M YOUR SON.

I'M YOUR GRANDSON, WHATEVER.

I'VE BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT IN NEW MEXICO.

I'M GONNA GO TO JAIL UNLESS YOU SEND ME SOME BAIL MONEY.

YOU NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.

UM, JUST STOP AND THINK, DID MY GRANDSON ACTUALLY GO TO NEW MEXICO? I PROBABLY WOULD'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, PUT THE PHONE DOWN, USE ANOTHER PHONE CALL, CALL UP YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LOVED ONE AND SEE IF THEY'RE THERE.

AND, AND THEY GO, YOU PROBABLY FIND OUT THAT, THAT THEY'RE JUST FINE.

AND IT WAS A SCAM.

SO JUST TAKE A MOMENT, ASSESS THE SITUATION, UM, THINK ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF IT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, BUT DON'T FALL VICTIM TO IT.

THE ONLY REASON THESE SCANS PERSIST IS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE ABLE TO VICTIMIZE SO MANY PEOPLE.

SO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.

IT'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GET THOSE PHONE CALLS, YOU'RE GONNA GET THOSE EMAILS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THOSE POP-UPS ON YOUR COMPUTER.

SO BE PREPARED FOR WHEN THEY COME.

UM, AL AND ALSO JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON MR. DRURY, WE DID THAT IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM THERE AT THE NEW SERVICE OFFICE.

AND THAT COMMUNITY ROOM, LIKE YOU SAID, IS AVAILABLE TO PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY IN, IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF YOU HAVE A,

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THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR.

UH, REAL QUICK, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RECOGNITIONS HERE.

SO MR. MR. FULLER AND, UH, LET'S SEE, MASTER DEPUTY, I'M GONNA GET THE NAME RIGHT, MR. MR. HENRY.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WITH 20, 40 YEARS AND ALL THE YEARS IN BETWEEN A SERVICE, AND I WANNA BE SURE PEOPLE APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING PEOPLE WITH THAT TYPE OF SERVICE IN THE COUNTY, THAT MANY YEARS OF SERVICE, BECAUSE WITH THAT COMES INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU CAN'T BUY OFF THE SHELF.

AND IT COMES WITH CONTACTS AND NETWORKING THAT YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE.

AND THOSE THINGS HELP MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTY BETTER.

IT HELPS THINGS RUN BETTER.

IT GETS YOU SERVICES BETTER THAT YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE FOLKS STICKING TO AROUND IN THE COUNTY, UM, SERVING, SERVING US, SERVING YOU ALL AS, AS WELL AS THEY DO FOR SO LONG, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS INVALUABLE.

A LOT OF TURNOVER.

YOU, YOU JUST LOSE SO MUCH OF THAT.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE AND, AND TAKING CARE OF US.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED REAL BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE, THE EVENTS THAT MS. NOLAN AND I GOT TO ATTEND THIS WEEKEND.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIVILEGES I THINK THAT WE ALL GET TO, TO ENJOY UP HERE IS TO GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE EVENTS WITH THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AND THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS, THEIR STRUGGLE, THEIR HISTORY, AND SO FORTH.

AND BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT AND ALSO TO PROMOTE THAT OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN, AND I'LL WRAP UP WITH, UH, I WILL JUST WISH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE HIT AT OVERSEAS TOMORROW, UM, FAIR WINS AND FOLLOWING SEAS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE YOUR SAFE RETURN NEXT WEEK SOMETIME.

SO ENJOY THAT.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, UH, BRIEF RECESS, UM, ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, AND WE'LL GET BACK HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING HEARING.

[4. Application No. ZM-198-24, York County Board of Supervisors: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 24-13 to approve the amendment of the York County zoning map by reclassifying various properties in accordance with the land use designations set forth in the updated comprehensive plan, Charting the Course to 2040. ]

UH, TONIGHT, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS APPLICATION NUMBER ZM 1 98 24, UM, ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 13 AMENDMENT TO THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP.

AND DO WE HAVE SPEAKING, OH, YEAH, RIGHT UP THERE.

SO TAKE IT AWAY.

DETACHED AND EO FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED THE YORK COUNTY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHARTING THE COURSE TO 2040.

ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TYPICALLY FOLLOWED BY A REVIEW OF THE COUNTY'S ZONING MAP TO DETERMINE WHERE CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE.

WITH THE UPDATED PLAN STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FOUR AREAS OF THE COUNTY, THE WALLER MILL, LIGHTFOOT PENMAN, NORTH PENMAN, SOUTH YORKTOWN LACKEY, AND HORNSBY VILLE GRAFT WEST SUB AREAS WHERE THE CURRENT ZONING IS NO LONGER CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AS A RESULT OF, UH, CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE PLAN.

ACCORDINGLY, STAFF IS PRESENTING THIS APPLICATION, WHICH INVOLVES 20 PAR UH, PROPERTIES TO ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF A MULTI-PROPERTY REZONING TO ELIMINATE THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE ZONING MAP AND THE 2040 LAND USE MAP.

I'M GONNA START, UH, IN THE HORNSBY BILL GRAFTON WEST SUB AREA, THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS ACQUIRED TWO PARCELS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 210 ACRES FOR PROTECTION OF THE WATERSHED THAT FEEDS INTO THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR, 78 0 1 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, UM, AND 11, UM, 1100 DENBY BOULEVARD.

THE PROPERTY ON GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY IS SPLIT ZONED AS GB FOR GENERAL BUSINESS AND RMF FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

AND THE PARCEL ON DENBY BOULEVARD IS ZONED IL FOR LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, UH, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REZONE BOTH PARCELS TO RC FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION.

SO, MOVING ON TO THE WALLER MILL LIGHTFOOT SUB AREA, UM, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG PURCHASED NINE PROPERTIES TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 218 ACRES TO PROTECT THE WATERSHED THAT FEEDS INTO THE WALLER MILL RESERVOIR.

ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED, RR FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REZONE ALL NINE PROPERTIES TO RC.

SO NEXT UP IS THE PENMAN NORTH PENMAN SOUTH SUB AREA, THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST AND CIVIL WAR PRESERVATION TRUST, WHICH IS A DIVISION OF THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST, ACQUIRED FIVE PARCELS, WHICH ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY

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THESE PARCELS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE BATTLE OF WILLIAMSBURG DURING THE CIVIL WAR AND WERE ACQUIRED FOR PRESERVATION PURPOSES.

THEREFORE, THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO RC ACCORDINGLY.

SO NEXT, LOOKING AT THE YORKTOWN LACKEY SUB AREA, THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST ACQUIRED THREE MORE PARCELS IN THE YORKTOWN LACKEY SUB AREA, WHICH ARE ZONED R 13.

THESE PARCELS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN BOTH THE AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE CIVIL WAR.

BECAUSE THEY WERE ACQUIRED FOR PRESERVATION PURPOSES, THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO RC AND RETURNING TO THE HORNSBY VILLAGE, GRAFTON WEST SUB AREA, THE LAST PROPERTY 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD IS CURRENTLY SPLIT ZONED AS GB AND IG FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

UH, HOWEVER, IT'S DESIGNATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

THE 10.3 ACRE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.

AND STAFF BELIEVED THE PROPOSED REZONING TO IG WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER ALONG THIS AREA OF WOLF TRAP ROAD.

SO THE NET EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED REZONINGS ON LAND AREA BY ZONING DISTRICT IS SHOWN IN THIS TABLE.

NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE LARGEST INCREASE APPROXIMATELY 787 ACRES IS IN THE RC DISTRICT.

THE LARGEST DECREASE APPROXIMATELY 310 ACRES IS IN THE EO DISTRICT.

THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUSTS ACQUISITION OF THESE PARCELS ACCOUNTS FOR THE BULK OF THIS LAND.

IN TERMS OF A PER UH, PERCENTAGES, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, AGAIN, IS IN THE RC ZONING DISTRICT, WHILE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DECREASES IN THE IL ZONING DISTRICT.

SO THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF MOST OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES IS NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE 19 OF THE 20 SUBJECT PARCELS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR CURRENT USE, WHICH IS CONSERVATION.

AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD AS ENTIRELY GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION AT ITS MAY 8TH MEETING AT WHICH MRS. DEBRA JURIS, ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD, ASKED THAT HER PROPERTY BE EXCLUDED FROM THE PROPOSED REZONINGS.

THE COMMISSION VOTED SIX TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A REVISED ORDINANCE THAT APPROVED THE CHANGES BUT EXCLUDED 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS DEVELOPED BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE USING CITIZEN INPUT.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE HESITANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD BE COUNTER TO IT.

HOWEVER, WE DECIDED TO ACCOMMODATE MRS. RA'S REQUEST.

THEREFORE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN ORDINANCE THAT EXCLUDES 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD THROUGH ORDINANCE NUMBER OH 24 DASH 13.

NO, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTATION MR. NOLL.

WE'LL START WITH YOU.

NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. ROY DO THIS.

YEAH, JEANNIE, I, I, MY QUESTIONS ARE ON AROUND THE WALLER MILL PROPERTY.

UM, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG PURCHASED SEVERAL PROPERTIES THERE, BUT THE BIGGEST ONE WAS THE, UH, 4 0 9 OAK TREE.

AND, UH, THAT WAS 127 ACRES.

BUT THEN THEY WERE REPORTED IN THE PRESS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THAT, UH, PROPERTY AS, UH, LOOKING AT CONVERTING IT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

UM, IS THE RC DESIGNATION GOING TO IMPACT THAT? SO, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RR UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM.

THAT ALLOWS, UM, ONE DWELLING PER ONE ACRE OF LAND.

UH, THE RC ZONING DISTRICT, UH, RESOURCE CONSERVATION ALLOWS ONE DWELLING PER FIVE ACRES OF LAND.

SO THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT? YES.

SO HAVE THEY HAD A COMMENT OR HAVE THEY BEEN OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE WE PUSH FORWARD WITH AN RC UH, DESIGNATION? THEY WERE OFFERED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, AND THEY DID NOT.

THANK YOU, MR. MR. DREWRY.

UH, YEAH.

SO YOU'RE EXCLUDING THE JURIS PROPERTY ON THIS PROPOSAL, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I BELIEVE IT'S AS, UM, IS IT 80? IT'S STILL VALID.

OKAY, MR. SHEPHERD.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD, UH, THAT WE, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ONE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ONE ACRE, WE WANNA GO FROM R ONE TO R FIVE BECAUSE TWO THINGS, ONE, THAT MEANS THAT, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THEY WANNA COME BACK AND ZONE IT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD THAT, OKAY, THAT'S, SO IT GIVES US AN INPUT.

AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I'VE BEEN WONDERING HOW THAT WAS GONNA WORK OUT.

UM, THE SECOND THING, AND I KNOW THIS IS AFTER THE FACT, SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING A MAP GO WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T RECALL ANYONE EVER ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NOTIONAL FIGURE OF 80,000.

I THINK THAT'S STILL AS A POPULATION, IS THAT STILL VALID IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?

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SO, OR STILL IN THERE, WHATEVER, IT'S NOTIONAL FIGURE.

SO HOW IS ALL THIS REZONING, UH, GOING TO AFFECT THAT NUMBER? NOT REZONING, JUST REMAPPING AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EDIFICATION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS' GOTTA DRIVE A NUMBER DOWN.

IT'S GOT TO A BET.

I'M GONNA HAVE OUR CHIEF OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING FROM, UM, HIGHER DENSITIES LIKE THE R 20 OR RR DOWN TO RC, A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, WON'T BE DEVELOPED IN ADDITION.

I, UH, SO THAT NUMBER WOULD GO DOWN.

AND A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ARE, AS WERE SAID, ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG PROTECTED RESERVOIR, THE 4 0 9 THAT ACTUALLY HAS A, AS I UNDERSTAND IT HAS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT IN PERPETUITY.

SO MR. DARST WAS VERY EMPHATIC THAT THAT PROPERTY NEVER BE DEVELOPED OTHER THAN AS A FARM, THAT ONE PIECE.

BUT I MEAN, SO YES, I THINK THE, THE OVERALL DENSITY WOULD GO DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM HIGHER DENSITY ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO A LOWER DENSITY ONE.

IF, IF THEY WERE TO EVER BE DEVELOPED, I DON'T THINK THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST OR CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL PARCELS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE SUBDIVISION THAN THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ON MOST OF THEIR PARCELS.

I, I, I DON'T EVER SEE IT.

I MEAN, I SERIOUSLY, IF THEY AGREED TO THIS, THERE ARE, EVEN IF THEY IGNORED IT, I, I DON'T SEE A BIG CHANGE.

BUT FOR DECADES IT'S BEEN 80,000 A POPULATION, 80,000 WE'RE SITTING 72.

SO THAT'S 8,000 MORE PEOPLE, OR NO, SUPPOSEDLY.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A NOTIONAL FIGURE.

SO WE DRIVE THIS NUMBER DOWN, SAY A THOUSAND, TAKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE OUT.

SO YOU'RE DOWN NOW IN THE SEVENTIES, SO I MEAN, YOU GOT 7,000 MORE PEOPLE.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET 7,000 MORE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY? PROBABLY LESS, PROBABLY LESS THAN 10 YEARS AT THE RATE WE'VE BEEN GOING.

SO I ONLY BRING THIS UP TO MY FELLOW SUPERVISORS TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN, THIS IS TECHNICALLY, EVEN BEFORE I SHOWED UP HERE, IT WAS HOW THEY WERE GOING TO CONTROL POPULATION GROWTH, WHICH WAS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL IN THE NINETIES.

SO IT WAS THE, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE ZONE, THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN BUILD.

THAT WAS IT.

AGAIN, IT'S NOTIONAL, WHICH MEANS THAT, EH, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO GO VERTICAL.

SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY POINT.

MAY I, SURE.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

OF THE PROPERTIES THAT YOU'VE GOT THAT GO INTO RESOURCE CONSERVATION, HOW MANY OF THEM, UH, BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY WERE NOT BUILDABLE, WE, WE DIDN'T INVESTIGATE THAT IN THIS, UM, PRESENTATION, BUT MAYBE, UH, OUR CHIEF OF BILL ON SERVICE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT.

I MEAN, JEANIE'S RIGHT.

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T INVESTIGATE THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT WASN'T WHAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR.

IT WAS MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEIR FUTURE USE MIGHT BE OF IT THAT WE MADE THE CHANGE TO IT.

UM, I, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE RESERVOIR ARE, ARE AROUND STREAMS THAT FEED INTO THE RESERVOIR.

AND SO THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG TRYING TO PROTECT THAT ALONG WITH NEWPORT NEWS, UH, UH, WATERWORKS PROPERTIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO IT'S REALLY TO PROTECT THOSE WATER RESOURCES IS WATER AS IT IS RESOURCE.

SO IT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY ADVANTAGEOUS TO BE BUILDING NEAR THE WATER RESOURCES.

THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, SO JUST BIG PICTURE, YOU KNOW, AFTER A RATHER LENGTHY PLANNING SESSION, UH, A VARIETY OF INDIVIDUALS FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, COUNTY STAFF AND SO FORTH, GOT TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND KIND OF LAY OUT WHAT THE PROPERTIES LOOK LIKE ACROSS THE COUNTY.

AND THIS EFFORT HERE TONIGHT IS JUST ALIGNING THE, THE ZONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES TO THAT PLAN.

SO THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GETTING ALIGNED HERE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF WORKING WITH MRS. RAS TO ADDRESS HER CONCERNS SO THAT THAT DIDN'T GET LOST IN THE BIG PICTURE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, QUICK QUESTION.

THE, UH, WILLIAMSBURG BATTLEFIELD TRUST, WHO THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST, MAYOR MEDICAL TRUST, UM, SO THEY HAVE A REALLY DIFFERENT RATHER LARGE PARCEL THERE THAT THEY SET ASIDE.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, HAVE HEARD ANY PLANS OR WHERE THEY MAY WANT TO, UM, USE THAT FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES FOR TOURISM TYPE THINGS? OR IT, OR THIS? IS THAT PROBABLY JUST SET ASIDE AND NO PLANS FOR USE THAT YOU KNOW OF? SO WE CONTACTED, UM, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THIS APPLICATION, UM, AND WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM THEM.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY LIKE TO ACQUIRE LAND TO PRESERVE IT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES.

I, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT.

ON GIVEN THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF OUR AREA HERE.

I'M, HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN KIND OF CAPITALIZE

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AND THEN WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL PROPERTY, MAYBE SOMETHING TO BE SET ASIDE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME THAT WAS DEVELOPED AT PROPERTY.

1864.

ALRIGHT, WELL THEY BUILD THE READOUTS.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME CHANGED.

WELL, WELL THERE'S HOT TIME THEN , SO WE'RE GONNA RECREATE THEM.

SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I BELIEVE I HAVE ONE APPLICANT, MS. DEBBIE RISS.

YOU'LL HAVE, UH, UH, PLEASE APPROACH PODIUM, UH, SHARE YOUR, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES.

GOOD, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

MY NAME IS DEBBIE JURIS, MY HUSBAND IS KENNY, AND WE OWN 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT.

UM, WE JUST WANT TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THAT.

UH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THEY ARE SUPPORTING THAT AND RECOMMENDING THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OVERRULE THAT IF YOU WANT TO.

SO I'M GONNA SPEAK ABOUT THAT.

UM, CURRENTLY IT IS, IT IS, UH, ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

UM, NOT EXACTLY WHAT WAS PUT UP THERE.

AGAIN, GENERAL BUSINESS AND GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

UM, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO, UH, AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN MAKE IT ALL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH REALLY LIMITS THE ABILITY AND THE MONEY MAKING POSSIBILITIES THAT COULD COME TO THE COUNTY FOR TAX REVENUE.

WE DO HAVE THE PROPERTY FOR SALE, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN IT.

WE WANT TO SELL IT AND WE DON'T WANT IT REZONED.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT, .

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.

UH, THAT IS THE ONLY, UH, APPLICANT I HAD FOR THIS, UH, THIS MEASURE.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE, UH, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL POSE ORDINANCE, UH, NUMBER 24 DASH 13.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, SO WITH THAT, THE MOTION, I WILL CHECK TO SEE, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, MR. SHEPHERD? WE'LL START DOWN WITH YOU.

WELL, I'M JUST GLAD TO SEE THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE, THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF LINING UP THE ACTUAL PROPERTY WITH ITS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, UH, THE ZONING AS IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN 20 YEARS AGO.

UH, AND THEY JUST GOT AROUND TO IT.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK EVERYONE DID ON THAT.

AND I'M GLAD THEY, A BIG THING WITH ME IS DON'T OWN SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY WITHOUT THEM, UH, THUMBING IT UP ON.

'CAUSE IF YOU, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO YES.

WHAT WE DO END UP A BIG PROBLEM, SO FOR EVERYBODY.

ALRIGHT, THANKS MR. ROY.

WELL, GENERALLY I'M GOOD WITH THIS.

UH, A LITTLE CONCERN WITH, UH, BOTH NEWPORT NEWS AND CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG BUYING UP AS MUCH PROPERTY AS THEY ARE.

UH, IT CERTAINLY TAKES AWAY OUR TAX BASE.

THAT'S THE ONE DOWNSIDE OF ALL OF THIS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, RECOGNIZING IT AS RC INSTEAD OF OUR ARM MAKES SENSE.

SO I'M SUPPORTIVE.

THANK YOU MRS. NOLAN.

UH, NO COMMENT.

NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR PROPOSAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 14 TO PROVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE HOME AC OCCUPATION REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN THE NEW YORK COUNTY CODE.

UM, YEAH, LIKE MR. ROY, WHEN I SEE THE CHANGES LIKE THAT, I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT, BOTH GOOD AND BAD TO, UM, TO, TO, TO BUSINESSES OPPORT BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, BUT AS WELL AS THE MAKEUP OF THE, UM, OF THE POPULATION.

SO THERE'S A BALANCE THERE.

IT, IT'S MORE MAGIC THAN IT IS SCIENCE.

I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF SCIENCE BEHIND IT, TRUST ME, I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS.

UM, BUT STILL YOU'RE FORECASTING THE FUTURE OF WHAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE DID PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK TOGETHER TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO OWN THE PROPERTY, LIKE THE HISTORICAL TRUST, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE IDEAS ON HOW MAYBE THAT COULD MONETIZE IT TO SOME DEGREE BUT STILL, STILL PRESERVE IT? SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN PURSUE, PURSUE OPTIONS LIKE THAT OR PARTNER WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT IN THE BIG PICTURE AND THE BIG 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH SPECIFIC NEEDS AND, AND TAKE CARE OF 'EM AS WELL.

SO, APPRECIATE THAT.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UM, AND ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 13 TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP BY RECLASSIFYING VARIOUS PROPERTIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS SET FORTH IN THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHARTING THE COURSE TO 2040.

ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE, OUR

[5. Application No. ZT-185-20 – Home Occupations: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 24-14 to approve the amendment of the Home Occupation Regulations set forth in the York County Code.]

NOW, MS. ANDERSON, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY, UM, THE, THE AGENDA AS IT'S SET IS TO CONSIDER THE, THE, UH, THE AMENDMENTS AND, AND TO POSSIBLY VOTE ON IT.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE TONIGHT IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE

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FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND YOUR, YOUR FOLKS.

UM, WE, I HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, SPEAKERS WHO WANTING TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IS TAKE ALL THAT AND MOVE THAT OUT TO A FUTURE MEETING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY'S IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND SO FORTH.

SO WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO CONTINUE THIS AND I'LL LOOK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT PROPERLY WHEN THE TIME COMES.

SO, ALRIGHT WITH THAT, TAKE IT AWAY.

NO PROBLEM.

YOU STOLE MY WIND A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'LL TRY NOT TO .

I'M JUST KIDDING.

ALRIGHT, SO I'M, I, I GAVE YOU A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION ON JUNE 4TH.

I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS AGAIN AS I'LL HIT SOME HIGH UPPER THINGS.

UM, AND THEN, UH, AS I SAID, AS MR. ROW SAID, WE WILL OFFER THE FLOOR OPEN TO TRY TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE COUNTY CITIZENS.

UH, SO IN 2018, THE CHAMBER, UH, SENT A LETTER TO THE COUNTY BOARD ASKING THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESSES.

THE BOARD REACTED TO THAT BY CREATING A CITIZEN COMMITTEE WHO WORKED FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS, LOOKING AT HOW THE EXISTING HOME-BASED BUSINESSES WERE WORKING IN YORK COUNTY, SEEING THAT OVER TWO THIRDS OF THOSE, UH, OF THE HOME OF BUSINESS LICENSES IN THE COUNTY WERE HOME OCCUPATIONS OF ONE SORT OR ANOTHER.

UH, THEY LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND HOW THEY EXIST, HOW THEY OPERATE, AND THEY PROPOSED DIFFERENT CHANGES TO THAT ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL, I'LL GO AT A HIGH LEVEL HERE IN A MINUTE.

UH, THROUGH, UM, THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT THOSE CHANGES TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY OF 2021.

AND THOSE WERE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY WITH A MINOR WORDING TWEAK, UM, AT THAT MEETING.

AND THEN, AS I SAID, I I, I PRESENTED TO YOU A VERY DETAILED, UM, DISCUSSION OF EACH ITEM THAT THE, UM, THE COMMITTEE HAD PROPOSED TO CHANGE AND THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, SO MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, UM, IS, OR MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT YOU SEE IN THAT CHANGES IS TO THE LIST OF HOME OCCUPATIONS.

THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE AND LOOKED AT ALL THE EXISTING HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AT THE TIME, AND THEY FELT THAT THE BIGGEST PIECES THAT WERE CONCERNING PEOPLE WERE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON SITE AND HOW THAT INCREASED THE INTENSITY OF THE USE AND ALSO HOW PARKING PROBLEMS WERE, WERE HANDLED.

AND SO THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THOSE THINGS.

THEY LOOKED AT, UM, DIFFERENT SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT HAD COME THROUGH.

UH, ONES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAD NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS AT PUBLIC HEARINGS OR WERE NOT A CONCERN, ONES THAT DID HAVE CONCERNS, WHAT WERE THE CONCERNS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A THOUGHT OF HOW BEST TO HANDLE THAT.

UM, SO THE COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT THE BEST OPTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THOSE USES AND KEEP IT KIND OF AN OPEN, UM, ABILITY FOR, FOR DIFFERENT USES TO BE PROPOSED BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER TELL WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING AROUND THE BEND IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, OR TWO YEARS.

UH, BUT TO GET RID, TO NOT HAVE A LIST OF USES PARTICULARLY, BUT TO CONTROL IT MORE THROUGH THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.

UM, SO TO DO THAT THEY ADDRESS THE INTENSITIES WITHIN 2 81, WHICH IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION.

AND THEY SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT ALLOWING NO MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE RESIDENT, UM, TO OPERATE FROM THE PROPERTY AS A BUY RIGHT USE.

SO THAT FOUR NUMBER COULD COME FROM ANYTHING FROM ONE THE HOME RESIDENT TO HAVING THREE CUSTOMERS, OR THEY COULD HAVE A NON-RESIDENT EMPLOYEE PLUS THEMSELVES AND TWO CUSTOMERS.

UM, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE THAT, TO GET TO THE FOUR.

UM, BUT THEY COULDN'T GO ABOVE THE FOUR.

THEY ALSO FELT LIKE PARKING WAS A BIG ISSUE.

UM, YOU KNOW, PARKING NEEDED TO BE ON THE PROPERTY, IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE STREET.

UM, AND THEY, THEY ADDRESS, THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THAT.

AND THEN IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT EXCEEDED THOSE THINGS AND SOME OTHER PIECES, UM, AND CERTAIN USES THAT THEY WANTED TO KEEP, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD STILL GIVE THE BOARD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

UM, ONE OF THE BIG PIECES, AS I SAID, WAS THAT OFF STREET PARKING AND THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT ALL OF THE PARKING FOR THE USE, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL USE, SHOULD ALL BE ON A SURFACE PARKING AREA ON THE LOT.

AND SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT YOU WOULD, EXCUSE ME, BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE FOUR SPACES IN ADDITION TO TWO MORE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR YOUR RESIDENCE.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SIX SPACES AT THE MOST IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE GOING UP TO.

UM, BUT THERE WAS SOME CONTROLS THERE BECAUSE SMALLER PROPERTIES WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FIT THAT MANY PARKING SPACES.

AND SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE LIMITS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT.

IF SOMEBODY HAS TWO OR THREE ACRES, THEY COULD MUCH MORE ACCOUNT FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES AND BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM THAN SOMEONE WHO HAS ONLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF A LOT.

UH, THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, DID LOOK AT THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

THEY KEPT CERTAIN USES LIKE FIREARM SALES AND CHILDCARE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, WITHIN THOSE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ME EXEMPT, UM, REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE THE FOUR PEOPLE,

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UM, ANYTHING WHERE YOUR, YOUR USAGE WOULD BE GREATER THAN THAT 400 SQUARE FEET OR 25% OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

ANYTHING THAT WENT OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION.

IN ADDITION, THEY LISTED A FEW OTHER EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT OUR PROHIBITED USES AND THEY ADDED, THEY SAW THAT THERE WERE SOME HOLES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD TO.

AND SO THEY ADDED THOSE USES THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN THERE.

UM, AND THEY DID ASSESS THE WHOLE GIFT SHOP, WHICH WAS IN THERE AS A PROHIBITED USE, AND THEY FELT THAT, THAT THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE A USE, THAT COULD BE OKAY.

UM, AS LONG AS IT WAS WITHIN THOSE LIMITS AND CONTROLS THAT THEY PUT FORWARD.

UM, SO, AND AT THE, THAT, THAT THE WORK SESSION, UM, YOU ALL PROVIDED SOME EXCELLENT FEEDBACK ON OTHER USE, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THINGS GOING THROUGH.

UM, MR. HORO HAS BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH OUR STAFF ABOUT ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PROHIBITED USES, UH, THAT WE, WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IN EMAIL.

AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE PIECES, UM, THAT YOU ALL GIVE US.

UH, BUT WE WANTED, AS MR. ROH SAID, TO KIND OF ALLOW, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SITTING OUT THERE IDLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS, GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND COMMENT AND GIVE YOU THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT, AND MAYBE SOME CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR NOT SEE IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO, UH, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU TABLE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON.

, UH, THAT WAY WHEN WE DO MAKE THE CHANGES AND BRING THEM BACK TO YOU, YOU CAN STILL RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE, ON THOSE CHA PROPOSED CHANGES.

UM, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PUSH IT OUT TO THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING THAT WILL GIVE US TWO MONTHS, A MONTH AND A HALF TO, TO TAKE IN THAT INPUT, ADJUST THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN AN INITIAL FORM.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I KNOW IT WAS A HIGH OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE FOURTH, UH, BUT IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATIONS I CAN OFFER, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

MR. NOEL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. ROY? NO, NOTHING FURTHER.

OKAY, MR. JURY? NO, I THINK, I THINK THE BIG CONCERN IS, UM, NOISE PARKING, LIKE YOU SAID, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE IN AND OFF THE PROPERTY DURING THE DAY, AND IS THERE A LIMIT TO THAT, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY WORKING THROUGH THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM MY CONSTITUENTS.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, GOOD, UH, REAL GOOD START TO HOPEFULLY A GOOD FINISH.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SHEPHERD.

YEAH, THE ONLY THING I, I JUST, MY, MY ONLY RESERVATION ON THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT OVER THE YEARS IS SOMETHING HAS ALWAYS COME UP ABOUT THESE THINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, OH, THE NOISE COMPLAINT.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE PUT DECIMALS IN THERE AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FINDS IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO, UH, UH, ENFORCE THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE DECIMAL READER AND YOU GOTTA DO ALL THIS STUFF AND, AND IT BECOMES SUCH A PAIN IN THE, BUT THAT, THAT, I MEAN, IT GOES ON AND ON.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

IT'S ALL GREAT FOR BUSINESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, GREAT, THEY HAVE A BUSINESS IN THERE.

UM, BUT THE PRIMARY FOLKS, THE PRIMARY REASON PEOPLE LIVE IN THESE, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY LIVE IN A HOUSE, OKAY? THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN A BUSINESS.

AND, UH, JUST LOSING CONTROL OF THAT ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ADAPT, UH, BUSINESS TYPES.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, WE TALK ABOUT, WELL, THE NUMBER OF CARS CAN BE PARKED THERE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP.

SOME PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T WANT A KIND OF BUSINESS NEXT TO 'EM.

I'LL GIVE YOU A GREAT MASSAGE.

I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW, MAN, I HAD PEOPLE COME OUTTA THE WOODWORKS WHEN A, UH, UH, A PROPOSAL WAS, UH, FOR A, A MASSAGE, THIS PERSON, A PROFESSIONAL MASSAGER, BUT WHATEVER YOU CALL MASSEUSE.

AND, UM, I MEAN, THEY WAS THAT SWEET PERSON.

I MEAN, GREAT, I KNEW 'EM, BUT I KNOW 'EM.

BUT THE, THE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT IT.

I MEAN, IT ALMOST TURNED INTO A WAR IN MY DISTRICT.

I, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT'S GONNA ADDRESS THAT EXCEPT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVING TO GET DOWN AND, AND SAY YES OR NO.

THANK HEAVENS THAT ONE WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UPSET THE NEIGHBORS.

SO I, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, OKAY, WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT DRONES TOGETHER? YOU KNOW, AND THE RULES SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DRY A TETHER OF DRONE, YOU TETHER A DRONE, 30 FEET, 40 FEET, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GOT A DRONE FLYING OVER YOUR HOUSE ON YOUR PROPERTY.

DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT KIND OF OPERATION.

BUT I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO MY CONCERN IS US, THE BOARD WAS OUR, WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

AND, UM, AND WE, AND THEY TRY TO ALWAYS DRAG US IN.

THEY BEING THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS TRY TO ALWAYS DRAG US INTO, THEY USE US AS A BLUNT INSTRUMENT TO GO AFTER SOMEONE IS VIOLATING THE RULES.

AND, UM, SO

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ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

OKAY, SURE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, YOU SAID, AND I THINK I KNOW THIS, BUT IT SAYS SURFACE PARKING SPACES.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS? SO IT, IT HAS TO BE SURFACED.

WE DO ALLOW GRAVEL OKAY.

UM, TO BE USED, BUT, UH, IT HAS TO BE SOME, IT HAS TO BE A DEFINED PARKING AREA.

YEAH, I WAS THINKING IT WAS PROBABLY GRAVEL, UH, AT LEAST GRAVEL.

SO THAT AT THE MINIMUM.

AT THE MINIMUM, YEAH, AT THE MINIMUM, YES.

AND THE, UM, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I'M MEANT TO MENTION IS, UM, WE, WE HAVE A WAY TO STOP THIS STUFF FROM GETTING OUT OF HAND, AND THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE VIOLATIONS.

YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU VIOLATE YOUR ORDINANCE SO MANY TIMES THAT THE GETS REMOVED.

AND I GUESS WE DID SAY IT WAS GOING TO STAY WITH THE HOMEOWNER ONCE THE HOMEOWNER LEFT THAT PERMIT WOULD GO AWAY.

UM, IN SECTION 24.1 2 82, WHICH IS HOME OCCUPATION PREVENT AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

WHICH HAS BEEN STRUCK OUT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WOULD BE BY, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT SAYS RESERVED, RESERVED UNTIL WE SETTLE ON.

THE FEE, THE FEEDBACK THAT, UH, YOU ALL GAVE US LAST TIME IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMAIN.

AND SO MORE THAN LIKELY WE WILL REMOVE THAT AND THEN, AND FROM STRIKING THAT.

AND THEN ADD TO THAT, SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE ARE INVESTIGATING, UH, WE HAVE, WE ARE SLOWLY GETTING THROUGH THE BUSINESS LICENSE DATABASE.

IT'S, IT, IT HAS SOME GENERIC, UM, CATEGORIZATION PIECES THAT WE'RE USING.

THEY'RE VERY GENERIC.

I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT BASICALLY HAS LIKE FOUR CATEGORIES, HOME, OFFICE, MERCHANT, PERSONAL SERVICE, AND THEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER LITTLE ONES LIKE EXEMPT, NON-EXEMPT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, SO WE WE'RE SLOWLY PARSING THROUGH IT.

UM, BASICALLY LOOKING UP THE BUSINESS ONLINE TO KIND OF SEE WHERE IT FITS.

UH, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE HAVE OVER 2000 THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.

AND, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT VERY CLEAR AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE NAME IS, THE ACTUAL BUSINESS KIND OF THING.

AND SO MAYBE IT'S A CONSULTING GROUP OR, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE A HOME OFFICE WHERE THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS THEY HAVE THEIR COMPUTER AND THEY'RE PROCESSING PAPERWORK, MAYBE TAKING PHONE CALLS, BUT THEY'RE NOT SEEING CLIENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THAT GETS MORE INTO THE PERSONAL SERVICE SIDE, WHICH IS ONLY ABOUT 17% THAT WE'VE NOTICED IN THE GENERAL CATEGORIZATION.

UM, AND THEN THE MERCHANTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SELLING THINGS.

THEY'RE SELLING THEM ONLINE, OR THEY'RE MAKING THEM AT HOME AND SELLING 'EM AT CRAFTS, UH, FAIRS OR, UM, DOWN AT THE RIVER WALK WHEN DURING ONE OF OUR EVENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THESE ARE JUST GENERAL CLASSIFICATIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING THROUGH THAT, THAT, UH, LIST TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE BETTER HANDLE ON WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES WE'RE SEEING SO THAT WE CAN BE INSERTING THOSE INTO THAT, THAT LIST OF PERMITABLE USES THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK MS. SHEPHERD AND I LOOK AT IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU, IF A PERSON APPLIES FOR IT, A SIGN GOES UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.

SO THAT THE NEIGHBORS CAN SEE THE APPLICATION AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR OPINION FOR OR AGAINST.

AND I DON'T WANNA SEE US DUMBED DOWN ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE I THINK NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A SAY.

SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, DO, SINCE YOU'RE GOING BACK OVER IT, YEN FOR 15 TIME, PLEASE GIVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME OF THE AT HOME BUSINESSES.

YES, MA'AM.

BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, MY NEXT QUESTION WILL BE TO MR. HILL.

SO SINCE WE'VE PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT, WE WANT TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL THE AUGUST 20TH PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH GETS US, UM, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL JUST HAVE THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WON'T HAVE A, UH, WORK SESSION, BUT IT DOES GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WORK SESSION BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

MM-HMM? YOU.

ON, ON THE, THE FIRST TUESDAY IN, IN AUGUST WILL BE OUR WORK SESSION.

THEN AUGUST 20TH WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE THIS TO.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE, UM, THE, UH, CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.

UM, WE'LL CLOSE THAT.

AND THEN DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO AUGUST 20TH? WHAT IS THE RIGHT, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU NOT, IF YOUR INTENTION IS TO RECEIVE FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THE NEXT TIME THIS MATTER IS CONSIDERED, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU NOT CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT.

THE DATE THAT YOU CHOOSE.

WHEN YOU HAVE NO MORE COMMENTS, YOU SIMPLY SAY, WE ARE FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR TODAY.

AND AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL

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AND THEN IT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE AND WE CAN JUST BRING IT BACK UP AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION FROM THAT POINT.

WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE INTO, UH, THANK YOU MR. ANDERSON.

WE'LL MOVE INTO THE, UM, THE, UH, CITIZEN'S COMMENTS.

AND FIRST IS MR. DAVISON.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

CHRIS DAVIDSON, 1723 BACK CREEK ROAD.

I AM A HOME-BASED BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

UH, THIS ORDINANCE REVIEW BEGAN IN 2019.

JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE HISTORY FROM, UH, MR. ANDERSON AS PART OF A MUCH LARGER HOME-BASED BUSINESS SUPPORT INITIATIVE STARTED BY YORK COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.

AND AT THAT TIME I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I ACTUALLY PENNED THE LETTER THAT KIND OF STARTED THIS WHOLE THING.

AND ALSO AT THAT TIME, MY WIFE MELISSA, WAS THE COUNTY'S ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU WOULD INDULGE ME JUST A COUPLE OF WORDS ON HER BEHALF AS A, UM, PROUD HUSBAND, I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT AFTER DISCOVERING THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE BUSINESSES IN YORK COUNTY, OVER 2000 OF ALL THE BUSINESSES, UH, WERE HOME BASE.

SHE'S SPEARHEADED THE EFFORT TO HELP, UH, HOME-BASED BUSINESSES IN NEW YORK COUNTY AND PERSONALLY CONCEIVED AND EXECUTED PROGRAMS LIKE THE HOMEBASED BUSINESS CONFERENCE AND RESOURCE FAIR, WHICH SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE ATTENDED.

HOME-BASED BUSINESS LUNCH AND LEARNS AND TRANSITION ASSISTANCE GRANTS TO HELP BUSINESSES GRADUATE FROM THEIR HOME AND, AND INTO RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SPACES.

THAT PROGRAM HAS GARNERED NOT JUST HER, BUT ALSO THE COUNTY, MANY AND MULTIPLE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC SECTOR INDUSTRY AWARDS.

SO THE LAST PIECE THAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED WAS THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE DISCOVERED THAT, I MEAN, EVEN JUST BY LOOKING AT THE PAPER, IT WAS PRINTED ON, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY CONCEIVED BEFORE THE INTERNET AND THE CELL PHONE WAS EVEN REALLY A THING.

SO IT NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE CENTURY.

UM, IT, THIS IS ANECDOTAL, ALRIGHT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALMOST ALL OF THE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES, PROBABLY 90% AND AS A FORMER CHAMBER PRESIDENT, HAD A LOT OF VISIBILITY INTO THIS, ARE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS FROM A CELL PHONE AND A LAPTOP.

AND THAT'S IT.

NO VISIBLE FOOTPRINT.

SO TONIGHT, I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES AS THEY EXIST NOW BEFORE YOU, THE ONES THAT WERE PASSING UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN ZERO BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO I URGE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FOUR THINGS WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.

NUMBER ONE, RESPECT THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.

THEY WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR OVER A YEAR TO COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS.

THE CHAMBER'S INITIAL OFFER INTO THIS WAS A LOT MORE HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF THE BUSINESSES, AND WE MADE A LOT OF CONCESSIONS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPROMISE, UH, HAPPENING THERE.

SO THE, THOSE GROUPS OF CITIZENS BUSINESSES, UH, HOA REPRESENTATIVES, CO COUNTY STAFF, THEY DID A GREAT JOB IN COMING UP WITH THAT PLAN THAT SITS BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.

NUMBER TWO, DON'T LET WHAT I CALL THE BOOGIEMAN GUIDE THE CONVERSATION.

YES, THERE CAN BE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

YES, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT DID HAPPEN.

AND THE TRUTH IS, WE ALREADY HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR THINGS LIKE NOISE AND FOR THINGS LIKE SIGNS.

NUMBER THREE, I WOULD SAY, IS TO TAKE THE APPROACH OF LISTING THE ORDINANCES, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ALLOWED IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF INDUSTRIES IN THE FEDERAL MAKES CODE OF, UH, ALL THE INDUSTRIES AND OCCUPATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN THOUGHT OF.

AND FOUR, I'LL JUST SAY MY TIME IS OVER.

BUT IT'S ALREADY HARD ENOUGH TO EARN A LIVING THESE DAYS IN AN ECONOMY.

AND I THINK THAT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO HELP THEIR CITIZENS PRESERVE LIFE AND LIBERTY, YES.

BUT ALSO PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING, WHICH THOUSANDS OF OUR CITIZENS HERE ARE DOING FROM THEIR HOMES.

THANK YOU MS. DAVISON.

UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE YELLOW 32ND CLICK ON.

CAN YOU MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYBODY UP.

SO, UH, LET'S SEE.

NEXT ON THE LIST IS, UH, MS. MELANIE SABLE SABLE.

SHARE, SHARE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES.

PERFECT.

MY NAME IS MELANIE SOBEL.

I'VE LIVED AT TWO AND I LIVE AT 2 59 NOTTINGHAM ROAD.

I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR FIVE YEARS AND I'VE BEEN A COUNTY HOMEOWNER FOR 18 YEARS.

I MOVED TO MY CURRENT HOME SEEKING THE PEACE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I TREASURED THE QUIET FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS AND THEN AN ADJACENT HOME SOLD.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU MY STORY ABOUT A HOME OCCUPATION BY WRIGHT.

UM, OUR NEW NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS MOVED IN AUGUST 5TH, 2023.

THEY CREATED THEIR BUSINESS WEBSITE JULY 31ST BEFORE THEY EVEN MOVED IN BY AUGUST 25TH, THEY HAD CLIENTS.

THEIR ORIGINAL SUP WAS FIRST FILED SEPTEMBER 1ST, AFTER THEY WERE ALREADY

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IN BUSINESS.

IT WAS MID-OCTOBER BEFORE THEY FILED FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE.

WE WERE LUCKY THE NEW NEIGHBORS COULD NOT OVERCOME THE PARKING CHALLENGES AND PULLED THEIR SUP, BUT THEY CAN STILL OPERATE BY RIGHT CARING FOR FOUR CHILDREN AT A TIME, EIGHT CHILDREN DAILY, PLUS THEIR GRANDCHILD WHO THEY CLAIM LIVED THERE.

THIS IS 36 CAR TRIPS DAILY.

PREVIOUSLY THE STREET WAS SLEEPY WITH FEW CARS PASSING BY.

PARKING IS A HUGE ISSUE.

THEIR DRIVEWAY IS SOMETIMES A PLAY AREA.

THIS PUSHES ALL THE CARS OUT ONTO THE SMALL CUL-DE-SAC FOR PARKING.

THIS HAS, THIS HOUSE HAS SIX PERSONAL VEHICLES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

ONE PARKING SPACE IS NOW TAKEN BY A PICNIC TABLE AND A LARGE SANDBOX.

WHERE DO THE CLIENTS PARK PARKED? CARS HAVE MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK TO EVEN ENTER THE CUL-DE-SAC.

WE'VE WATCHED THE GARBAGE MAN ACTUALLY FALL IN THE CUL IN THE CULVERT.

THE MAILMAN LEAVES HIS TRUCK AT THE END AND GOES TO MAKE HIS DELIVERIES.

THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN BLOCKED IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.

WOULD EMERGENCY VEHICLES EVEN BE ABLE TO ENTER THE CUL-DE-SAC? THIS BUSINESS IS NOT A DAYCARE PROVIDING THE MUCH NEEDED SAFE PLACE FOR CHILDREN WHILE THEIR PARENTS WORK.

IT'S SIMPLY A PLAY PLACE WHERE CHILDREN PLAY OUTSIDE USING OUTSIDE VOICES IN ALL WEATHER.

THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN BAD WEATHER, JUST BAD CLOTHING ACCORDING TO THEIR ADVERTISEMENTS.

PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED WITH ME SAYING THAT A FAMILY COULD HAVE MOVED IN AND YES, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN WELCOMED.

A FAMILY'S CHILDREN GROW AND NOT, OR NOT PRE-K FOREVER.

THIS BUSINESS COULD OPERATE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.

IT'S POSSIBLE I WILL SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE'S LIFE LISTENING TO SCREAMING CHILDREN OR WORSE CRYING CHILDREN WHO GET HURT DURING THIS RISKY PLAY.

SPEAKING OF SAFETY, THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED.

WELL-BUILT PLAY STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY.

THE CHILDREN PLAY ON DOWNED LOGS, DISCARDED HAY, COLLECTED CHRISTMAS TREES, TRASH FROM CONSTRUCTION.

I WORRY THAT THE ADJACENT BACKYARD IS BECOMING A GARBAGE DUMP.

THEY PAID $750,000 FOR THEIR HOME AND COLLECT TRASH FOR THE CHILDREN TO PLAY WITH.

I BEG YOU, I BEG YOU TO ADD MORE GUIDELINES, ADD CONSEQUENCES FOR BUSINESS OWNERS WHO DO NOT COMPLY.

IS THAT THE END OF MY TIME? YOU GET, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.

ENACT WAYS FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO REPORT DISCREPANCIES TO END THE NEIGHBOR SQUABBLES.

I HATE BEING THE POLICE OF MY NEIGHBORS.

I'VE HEARD YOUR WORDS.

AND TO QUOTE MR. SHEPHERD, IT'S UP TO US TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS AND NOT NEED TO SAY, THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

THANK, THANK YOU.

GIVE A SECOND TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.

WORKDAY DISTRICT.

IN THE MEANTIME, MR. UM, TIME WILL BE NEXT UP TO SPEAK.

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, SUITE 1 0 1 YORK, YORKTOWN.

UH, MR. TOM.

LET'S SEE ME.

MAJOR ME, MYERS MEYER.

RIGHT? IT WAS 10TH HERE, TRAN.

THE, UH, OH, THE CAR COPY DIDN'T COME THROUGH VERY WELL.

I'M TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER.

SORRY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I, I'VE BEEN CALLED MANY OTHER THINGS, BUT, UH, THANK YOU VERY, I CAN SEE IF I CAN SEE BEHIND MR. DAVIDON.

I KNOW WHO, WHO I KNEW WHO WHO'D HAVE BEEN.

GOTCHA.

TIM MEYER, 28 0 8.

SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO BE, BE IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, HOME BASE ORDINANCE.

UM, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, I, I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MANY TIMES.

AND, UM, UH, I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS INITIATIVE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

UH, WE KNOW THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES HERE.

THERE'S PEOPLE OPERATING HOME-BASED BUSINESSES THAT, LET'S, LET'S FACE IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPERATING OUT OF THEIR HOUSE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY, UM, IS THERE FOR PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT THE CONTROLS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

MR. SHEPHERD BROUGHT IT UP.

CONTROLS AND ENFORCEMENT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

SO, CONTROLS AND ENFORCEMENT'S A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS.

STARTED THE HOUSE END UP MOVING, THEY ENDED UP GETTING BIGGER.

, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION.

ALSO, A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT

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WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTY ON ROUTE 17.

THESE ARE THE, THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS COULD, COULD HELP US MOVE THOSE PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOMES INTO PROPERTIES THAT ARE, UH, AVAILABLE HERE IN THE, IN THE COUNTY.

THAT WAY INCREASING AND, AND ENHANCING THE PROPERTY AND, AND ROUTE 17 AS WELL.

SO OVER THE YEARS, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN, BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER AND BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CHAMBER, THE HOMEBASED BUSINESS, UH, INITIATIVE HAS BEEN WELL, WELL RECEIVED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE.

AND I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET A NATIONAL REC RECOGNITION FOR THIS, LIKE WE DID, UM, THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

THAT WAS VERY BIG.

WE WERE A, WE WERE A, UH, UH, COUNTY THAT WAS THOUGHT OF ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UM, WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE, WE HAD OTHER CHAMBERS CALL US FROM THE OTHER, OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ASKING US ABOUT OUR HOMEBASED INITIATIVE.

WE HAD SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UM, CONVENTIONS WITH HOME-BASED BUSINESSES HERE IN THE COUNTY.

THAT'S BEEN A BIG DEAL AS WELL.

SO WE'VE REALLY, REALLY WORKED HARD AT THIS.

UH, THE, THE STAFF HERE, UH, WITH, WITH THE COUNTY'S WORKED HARD ON IT AS WELL.

BUT THE CHAMBER HAS SUPPORTED IT.

WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CHAMBER ORIGINALLY BACK MANY YEARS AGO, THE REASON WE STARTED THE CHAMBER IS BECAUSE OF THOSE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.

WE WERE, WE, OUR NICHE MARKET AS A CHAMBER IS SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

THAT'S OUR NICHE MARKET.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE, WE WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND WE'RE A MAJORITY OF THOSE.

WE JUST SAW IT.

TWO THIRDS OF THEM ARE IN THE HOUSE, THEY'RE AT THEIR HOME.

SO WE WANNA CONTINUE TO HELP OUT THE CHAMBERS HERE TO HELP THAT.

WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THOSE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THE ENFORCEMENT, UM, AND THE CONTROLS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A VERY VIABLE PROJECT.

MR. JOHN FARLEY EVENING, UH, JOHN FARLEY, 1, 4, 3 LITTLE JOHN ROAD OUT IN, UH, QUEENS LAKE.

UM, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS HERE AND, UH, TALKING ABOUT ROUTE 17 AND MAYBE IT, UH, IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT IN DIFFERENT WAYS ON, IN MOVING FORWARD ON THIS.

THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT'S WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO HAVE BUSINESSES WHERE PEOPLE COME PARK THERE OR MOVING THROUGH.

YOU HEARD ABOUT THE DAYCARE CENTER.

WE HAD ONE THAT WAS ALMOST A, UH, AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP JUST UP THE STREET FROM US.

WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT REMOVED 'CAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING, UH, OUTSIDE THE LAW AND ALL THAT STUFF.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT NEEDS TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.

OKAY? IT'S WHERE THEIR FAMILIES GROW UP.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE TRUCKS AND OTHER STUFF, UH, COMING IN, MOVING OUT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FROM PROBABLY TWO DIFFERENT STANDPOINTS IS CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTY PERHAPS CAN HAVE THESE THINGS, OTHERS NOT.

AND WHERE I LIVE, NO.

YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT.

UM, I'M A HOME-BASED BUSINESS MYSELF.

WELL, NOT HOME-BASED BUSINESS, BUT, UH, I HAVE A BUSINESS COUNTY, UH, LICENSE.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M A SELF-EMPLOYED PERSON.

NOBODY COMES AND PARKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I WORK.

I GO TO WORK WHERE PEOPLE COME TO SEE ME FOR MY WORK.

THEY COME TO SEE ME WHERE I WORK.

IT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO I, I STAND HERE JUST SAYING, NO, WE CAN'T HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, WE CAN HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE, THIS MANY CARS, THIS MANY THESE THINGS.

NOW IT'S NOT GONNA WORK OUT IN SOME PLACES WHERE THERE ARE SMALLER, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE, UH, CREEKSIDE LANDING WHERE YOU CAN'T PARK AS WELL, BUT LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU AUTHORIZE THIS, WE COULD EASILY MOVE THE FIRST QUARTER ACRE OF MY LOT AND I COULD HAVE 15 CARS COME PARK THERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE OFF THE ROAD.

EVERYBODY'S OKAY NOW, RIGHT? NO.

SO I SAY, NO, DON'T APPROVE THIS.

LET'S, UH, OR AT LEAST LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE WORKABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, NOT WHERE PEOPLE COME TO WORK.

THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS KNEW IT WAS A HOME IMPROVEMENT BUSINESS, BUT I GO TO MY CLIENTS.

UH, NEXT IS MS. TONY CHAMBER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. RON AND BOARD AND MEMBERS.

UM, I'M TONY CHAVIS.

I AM ALSO A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF CHA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I'M A CURRENT BOARD MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY CITIZEN ADVISORY COUNCIL.

WE HAVE HAD OUR BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY FOR 23 YEARS.

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SO THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, TOOK AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS PEACEFUL, BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET AND IT WAS A OUT OF THE WAY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I LIVE IN FOXWOOD.

ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.

SO FOR 23 YEARS, WE HAVE RUN A BUSINESS AND IT WAS A HOME-BASED BUSINESS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED A ACTUAL FACILITY.

BUT WE ARE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND WE TOOK OUR NEIGHBORS INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT HAVING A BUSINESS MEANS THAT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORS.

NOW, FOR THOSE BUSINESSES THAT EXIST, THAT DOES NOT TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.

AND THAT'S WHY THAT PROCESS, I WAS ON THAT BOARD WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE BUSINESSES AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTED IN THE COUNTY AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO TO.

I MEAN, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES, WHAT PEOPLE DROVE BACK THEN IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE GROSS WEIGHT OF A VEHICLE FROM BACK IN 19 60, 19 70, AND WHAT THE GROSS WEIGHT OF AN AVERAGE TRUCK IS TODAY, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FOCUS ON.

SO THIS HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT TAKING AWAY ANYBODY'S ABILITY TO ENJOY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF THE, THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES IN THAT PROPOSAL TOOK ALL OF THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND HAVING A HOME-BASED BUSINESS DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO INFRINGE ON YOUR NEIGHBORS.

AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROPERTIES AS IT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER THAT ARE SMALLER AND MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO THEIR HOME.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFIED IN THIS ORDINANCE, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY.

SO NOT ONLY TO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, UM, COVID, THERE'S MANY PEOPLE THAT STARTED TO WORK FROM HOME.

IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS, BUT THAT HAS CONTINUED SINCE THAT TIME.

AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO SIMPLY WORK FROM HOME, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS THEIR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS, IT'S JUST A REALITY.

SO WHILE I LIVED IN THE COUNTY AND WHY I PARTICIPATED IN HAVING A BUSINESS, IT WAS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DID NOT AFFECT MY NEIGHBORS IN ANY WAY.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE PUT IN THAT ORDINANCE, WHAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON IN HAVING A HOME-BASED BUSINESS, THAT WAS A KEY AND CRITICAL PART OF THAT ORDINANCE, WAS TO MAKE SURE IT DID NOT AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS WOULD BE FOR IF SOMETHING STEPPED OUTSIDE OF THAT.

AND IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE THINGS IN PLACE THAT WILL ADDRESS THAT.

SO MANY OF THESE ON A STREET? SOME OF THESE, THERE NEEDS TO BE, AS, AS MR. SHEPHERD POINTED OUT, SOME CONTROL.

NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. RICHARD HOWELL.

HI, MY NAME IS RICHARD HOWELL.

I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE.

UM, AND SINCE WE'RE NOT VOTING, I, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT I'M OPPOSED OR NOT.

I THINK THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB, UH, TO, TO WORK THIS ISSUE.

HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME THINGS I HAVE SOME REAL HEARTBURN WITH.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS, WE'RE GOING TO CONTROL THIS WITH PARKING.

WE'RE GONNA CONTROL THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE ACCESS.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS, UH, THE SHERIFF AS PART OF THAT COMMITTEE, MADE IT QUITE PLAIN THAT THAT WAS DIFFICULT AT BEST.

AND THAT UNLESS YOU HAD THE, THE STREETS SIGNED, HE COULDN'T TOW, HE COULDN'T TICKET IT.

SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AS, UH, JOHN SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A BIG PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GRAVEL MY FRONT YARD.

WELL, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE VEHICLES.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GROSS WEIGHT VEHICLES.

AND AS I LOOK THIS UP, BACK WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT, YOU COULD HAVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS UP TO FOUR VERY LARGE INDUSTRIAL TYPE VEHICLES SITTING ON YOUR PROPERTY PARKED THERE, AND A 17 FOOT TRAILER.

SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONE BACK IN THE BACK DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE, BUT IT DOES TO THE NEIGHBOR.

BUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU TAKE THE LIMITS OFF? WHERE'S THE DENSITY? WHERE DO YOU SAY, I CAN'T HAVE

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THERE NEEDS TO BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE A SAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE KINDS OF INTENSIVE ACTIVITIES.

NOW, THERE ARE ACTIVITIES, THERE ARE BUSINESSES ALL OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT.

AND, AND I WORK FROM HOME.

I DON'T HAVE MY OWN BUSINESS, BUT I WORK FROM HOME.

NOBODY COMES, NOBODY GOES.

I JUST WORK FROM HOME.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.

WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS WHEN WE TAKE THE LIMITS OFF AND WE SEED CONTROL BY MAKING EVERYTHING, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING GOES, UM, THERE ARE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT MAY NOT BE VERY INTENSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE KIND OF BUSINESSES WE WANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHETHER THEY'RE VAPE SHOPS OR SOME SORT OF ADULT INDUSTRY, THERE ARE THINGS WE DON'T WANT IN THERE.

AND THE NEIGHBORS SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

AND NEXT WE HAVE MRS. DIANE HALL.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? EVERYONE, CAN YOU HEAR ME LOUDER? NO.

LOUDER.

UM, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

UH, CHAIRMAN ROHN AND OTHER SUPERVISORS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, I'M REAL ENCOURAGED THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND THIS CHANCE TO SORT OF DIALOGUE.

I WAS INTERESTED IN HEARING, UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES ON THIS.

UM, BUT I AM VERY OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF YOU.

WHEN I, UH, WHEN THIS CAME UP ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, I WROTE A LETTER TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER AND, UH, SHARED WITH HIM DESCRIBING I HAD DRIVEN THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD WEEKDAYS, WEEKENDS, DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY, REALLY SORT OF LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES, BECAUSE MRS. NOLL HAD SHARED IN AN EMAIL TO THE COMMUNITY IN REGARD TO ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT THERE WERE ABOUT A HUNDRED IN QUEENS LAKE.

AND I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH.

WOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW IT.

AND AS I DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE, THERE WERE NO SIGNS, THERE WERE NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

BECAUSE I LIVED THERE, I FELT LIKE MOST OF THE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY BELONGED TO THE RESIDENCE.

THERE WAS NO INCREASED TRAFFIC.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALMOST A HUNDRED HOMES, ABOUT 16% OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I BELIEVE.

AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF IT WHATSOEVER.

AND IN MY OPINION, THIS SHOULD BE THE STANDARD IN YOUR DECISION MAKING.

I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT.

I DON'T WANNA SEE IT.

I DON'T WANNA SMELL IT, AND I SURE DON'T WANNA KNOW ABOUT IT.

I DON'T WANT GUESTS AT MY HOME LOOKING OUT A DRIVEWAY AND SEEING ROWS OF COMMERCIAL OR PLUMBING OR HVAC VEHICLES.

IT'S NOT WHAT I DESIRE.

AND THE CHAMBER HAS STOOD HERE AND TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER HOURS IN THIS.

I DON'T DISCREDIT, I RESPECT THAT, BUT MY HUSBAND HAS LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE MILITARY.

HE IS NOW CONTINUING TO WORK.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH AESTHETICS, WITH CHARACTER.

YOUR DECISION IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.

AND MR. SHEPHERD, YOU ARE MY FAVORITE MAN ON THE PLANET FOR SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING VOTER CONSTITUENT VOICE IN THIS.

UM, I'VE DEFINITELY LEFT MY SCRIPT.

UH, THE CHAMBER SORT OF INDICATED THAT THE SUP PROCESS WAS CUMBERSOME AND THAT BECAUSE OF IT, A NUMBER OF BUSINESS OPERATORS ARE UNDER THE RADAR UNAUTHORIZED.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US BELIEVE THAT IF WE SUDDENLY ADOPT THIS, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME IN AND LINE UP AT THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S OFFICE AND PAY THEIR TAXES UNAUTHORIZED HOME BUSINESSES ARE MORE OF AN ISSUE OF HOMEOWNER CHARACTER AND THE LACK OF ANY PENALTIES THAN ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SUP PROCESS.

UM, I HAVE A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE OF TIME, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO THEM, BUT I DO OPPOSE THE STRIKING OUT OF FULL USES AND SHIFTING THINGS BY RIGHT.

I ESPECIALLY OPPOSE MOVING GIFT SHOP TO BY RIGHT WHEN THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF GIFT SHOP, EVEN IN THE ORDINANCE.

UM, PARKING, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT INVOLVED WITH THAT MORE.

I OPPOSE THE STRIKEOUT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE SHALL BE PERMITTED LANDSCAPE.

MRS. HOWELL, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND CONCLUDE, PLEASE? I SURE WILL.

ABANDONING LARGE AREAS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE LEAVES HOMEOWNERS A GREAT RISK FOR PROBLEMS WITH LITTLE OR NO RECOURSE.

LET ME GET TO MY FINAL CLOSURE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE.

[02:05:01]

MR. HOLROYD ADDRESSED POTENTIAL VAPE SHOPS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SOME MIGHT FIND THE REALITY OF ADULT BOOKSTORES OR ENTERTAINMENT EVEN MORE ALARMING.

I THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

APPRECIATE IT.

YEP.

UH, THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, PERSON I HAD SIGNED UP.

UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU.

NONE.

I THINK WE'LL WRAP UP, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS EVENING, AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE, UH, DISCUSSION UNTIL THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING.

YOU MAY COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE.

WELL, NOW WE CAN.

NOW YOU CAN COMMENT.

I, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.

THE, UM, THE, UH, I'M GLAD I'M SOMEBODY'S FAVORITE PERSON.

THANK YOU, .

UM, IT'S, UH, BUT IT WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTING.

UM, AND I, AND I, I KIND OF FEEL IN A WAY THAT THE GREAT WORK THAT I UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT HOME BUSINESS, OKAY, VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, AND ALWAYS OVER THE YEARS, I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO TRIED TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT WITH THE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT COSTS MONEY AND, AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH LAWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND IT BECOMES KIND OF ONEROUS TO, TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU GOTTA PROTECT THE, WE GOTTA PROTECT OUR CITIZENS.

I MEAN, YOU, YOU JUST GOT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SOMEHOW.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I WISH WE COULD REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN I'M LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS, THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU DON'T SMELL 'EM, YOU DON'T SEE 'EM, YOU DON'T HEAR 'EM.

AND WE'VE KIND OF LUMPED THEM INTO THE GIFT SHOP BUSINESS, OR WE'VE LUMPED THEM INTO, UH, THE BARBERSHOP BUSINESS, OR WE'VE LUMPED THEM INTO THAT.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, UH, 2,600 OR THREE, 3000, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS A HOMEBASED BUSINESS.

THAT'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES.

AND, UM, OCCASIONALLY WE DO GET A, WE DO GET COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH ACTIVITY OR WHATEVER.

UM, BUT WE SOMEHOW, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO EXTRACT THAT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE BUSINESS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH ANY PARTICULAR PROCESS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA GO, I GOT A NEIGHBOR THAT'S A, THAT'S A LAWYER.

HE RUNS HIS, HE SETS HIS JOB.

I MEAN, HE'S AT HOME AND HE REPRESENTS THE CLIENT, AND THEY DON'T COME OVER AND HE GOES TO THEM.

AND, AND THAT'S, AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW HE HAD HAD THE BUSINESS THERE, RIGHT? SO WHY WOULD THE PERSON, WHY WOULD WE WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE, TYPING ON THEIR, THEIR COMPUTER, WATCHING THE TV GO HAVE THEIR OWN LIBRARY, WHATEVER.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO DRAG THEM THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS TO JUST DO THAT? AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE KIND OF SHOEHORNING EVERYTHING INTO ONE CATEGORY.

WE'VE DONE THIS FOR YEARS, RIGHT? IT HAS CHANGED, BUT WE'VE JUST SHOEHORNED EVERYTHING IN HERE.

AND, AND THE NEW TECHNOLOGY NEVER HAS MADE A CHANGE.

AND THE ROAD IS ROADS, PARKING IS JUST SOME WAY OF TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE A BUSINESS.

BUT IF WE'VE GOT SO MANY OF THESE JUST HAPPENING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST WITH NOTHING GOING ON, THEN YEAH, HAVE IT.

JUST DO IT.

I GUESS THE ONE THING WE WOULD WANT, YEAH, COME GET A BUSINESS LICENSE SO YOU CAN PAY SOME TAXES.

SO YOU, WE CAN DO THIS.

WE CAN SIT UP HERE AND DO THIS STUFF FOR YOU.

BUT THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO IT IS TO HAVE SOME REGULATION WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZES THAT THIS BUSINESS IS SIMPLY INVISIBLE.

I GOTTA, IT'S AN INVISIBLE BUSINESS.

SO MR. ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THE LAW SAYS YOU GOTTA ADVERTISE.

YOU GOTTA SPEND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND, AND YOU GO THROUGH ALL THIS PROCESS FOR MONTHS GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT JUST SEEMS LUDICROUS.

AND I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE A GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD WANT THAT KIND OF APPROACH.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF APPROACH.

UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AT YOUR DOOR, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.

OKAY? A DRIVER DOWN YOUR STREET BECAUSE THEY KIND OF COME TO YOUR PLACE TO GET SOMETHING DONE THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT.

IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT.

IT MAY NOT HAVE A BIG IMPACT, BUT IT HAS AN IMPACT.

I MEAN, I KEEP THINKING, I LOOK AT THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, IT THIS, AND YOU HAVE A SEMI I GOT IN YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT, THERE'S A SEMI PARKED BEHIND A HOUSE.

IT'S PARKED ON THEIR PROPERTY.

BUT AS BIG AS THIS BUILDING IS LONG, OKAY? AND IT'S PROBABLY AS HIGH AS THE CEILING.

SO THAT KIND OF STUFF AFFECTS THE VALUE OF HOMES, AFFECTS THE NEIGHBOR.

SO WE'VE GOT TO SOMEHOW IN THIS PROCESS, EXTRACT THOSE INVISIBLE BUSINESSES FROM THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT IT EXTERNALLY, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, WE JUST GOTTA BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT.

THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE JUST TO DO THEIR THING.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAG 'EM THROUGH THIS STUFF.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING

[02:10:01]

'CAUSE ONE GUIDING PRINCIPLE I'VE ALWAYS HAD IS I GOT TO, I GOT THE IDEA SAYS, AND IT GOES WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS AND ANYTHING ELSE.

WHAT DO THE NEIGHBORS THINK? THAT'S, IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE IT, I'M NOT GONNA LIKE IT.

IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T CARE, THEN I DON'T CARE.

BUT IT'S OUR RESIDENTIAL PROTECTIONS THAT ARE, TO ME, IMPORTANT.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY INPUT THAT SOMEBODY, WE NEED TO EXTRACT THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THIS.

AND THEN JUST DO YOUR BUSINESS.

GO GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEN PAY YOUR TAXES.

YOU'RE DONE.

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

WE'LL CONTINUE ON DOWN THIS WAY, MR. JURY.

UH, YEAH.

I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, UM, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO WHAT TOM JUST SAID, THE NEIGHBORS.

IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE IT, THEN IT'S A PROBLEM.

IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, THEN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE STOPS IN PLACE THAT IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN ENOUGH, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN.

OR THE NEIGHBORS NEED TO, MAYBE THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE GET THE NEIGHBORS TO SIGN SOMETHING SAYING THEY'RE GOOD WITH THIS.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT OVERBURDENSOME, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA START A BUSINESS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M LIVING NEXT DOOR TO 'EM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD COME TO ME AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA DO.

AND IF I DON'T LIKE IT, THEN I GET TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THEM.

BUT IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY JUST GO TO THE COUNTY AND GO, HEY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RUN A, A TOWING BUSINESS, OR I'M GONNA RUN A LANDSCAPING BUSINESS WITH 14 TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THERE'S NOISE AND THERE'S DISRUPTION, AND MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT.

AND ARE WE FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE ARE, ARE ABIDING BY OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE BIG CONCERN FOR ME, IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE THINKING.

I, I WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.

THANK YOU, MR. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT, THAT'S EXPRESSLY WHY WE ASK FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR BUSINESSES IN THE HOME THAT REQUIRE PEOPLE COMING TO THE HOUSE TO TRANSACT BUSINESS.

NOW, AS FAR AS LAWYERS ARE CONCERNED, OR CPAS OR WHATEVER, WHO DO IT IN THEIR HOME AND, AND THEY DON'T HAVE CLIENTS, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS.

BUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT GIVES THE NEIGHBORS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE BUSINESS.

AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I'VE SUPPORTED ALL ALONG.

MR. RE, I HAD TWO COMMENTS, UH, AND, AND I'VE BEEN SHARING, I'VE BEEN SHARING SOME INFORMATION WITH THE BOARD OVER THE PAST WEEK.

UH, CHESAPEAKE HAS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE, I THINK, UH, IN THAT THEY LOOK AT, DOES IT REQUIRE MORE THAN THE HOMEOWNER TO RUN THE BUSINESS? AS SOON AS YOU BRING AN EMPLOYEE INTO THAT LOCATION, THEY REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THAT'S ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.

HOW DO, HOW DO THEY CONDUCT THE WORK? AND DOES IT REQUIRE MORE THAN THE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL? IF IT DOES, IT SHOULD COME THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

I THINK THAT KIND OF HITS AT THE, IF YOU CAN DO THE BUSINESS IN YOUR HOME AND NOT BE NOTICED, GOOD.

THAT, THAT WORKS PERFECTLY.

I THINK THE OTHER COMMENT I HEARD TONIGHT, AND, AND, AND, AND WE'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, IS THIS, UH, DAYCARE ISSUE AND IT IS BEING ADDRESSED, AND THE COUNTY WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.

WELL, THANKS, THANKS FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THE FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF HOME-BASED OCCUPATIONS.

UM, AND MRS. HALL NOTED, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CASES WHERE COMPLETELY INVISIBLE, DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

SO CLEARLY THE, THE MODEL WE HAVE TODAY IS SUCCESSFUL WITHIN THE COUNTY.

SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, AS WE MAKE THESE CHANGES, HOW CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO THESE BUSINESSES CAN EXIST THAT DON'T IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS.

UM, THERE'S ROOM, THERE'S ROOM FOR BOTH.

WE'VE MADE IT WORK.

I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MONTH AND A HALF AT LEAST TO, TO WORK THIS OUT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE IT WORK.

UM, UM, UH, ONE, ONE RECOMMENDATION I WOULD SHARE WITH COUNTY STAFF, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING HARD ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CLASSIFY THINGS, UH, IN, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE SIMPLIFY, MAYBE IT'S, YOU CAN SIMPLY DO A IF THEN STATEMENT.

YOU KNOW, IF NO CUSTOMER CONTACT ON SITE AND IF NO PHYSICAL PRODUCT IS PRODUCED, AND IF NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, BOOM, YOU'RE, THAT'S BY RIGHT? INSTEAD OF TRYING TO LIST THEM OUT BY NAMES, LIST IT THAT WAY.

AND THAT, THAT COVERS YOUR, YOUR MM-HMM YOUR WEB DESIGNERS AND YOUR LAWYERS WHO GO ELSEWHERE AND SO FORTH.

AND THAT, THAT MAKES IT REALLY EASY.

THOSE ARE THE INVISIBLE ONES.

AND THEN MAYBE THE REST OF 'EM, YOU GOTTA DIAL THAT BACK IN AND FIGURE OUT, ALRIGHT, IS THAT GONNA BE AN IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY? JUST A SUGGESTION AS, AS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.

NOT SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT JUST KIND OF THROW SOME IDEAS OUT THERE.

UM, SO A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.

[02:15:01]

WE HAVE A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE.

UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY FIT THAT INTO THE AUGUST 1ST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AS A WORK SESSION SO THAT WE GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THIS AS, AS A BOARD AS WELL BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK FOR, UM, FOR A FINAL VOTE.

BUT, UM, CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHY DO WE, WHY DO WE REQUIRE A BUSINESS LICENSE? I MEAN, IF WE'VE GOT AN INVISIBLE BUSINESS, WHY DO WE IS I MEAN, I LAWYERS HAVE TO HAVE A, A LICENSE, RIGHT? YOU'RE PRACTICE LAW, RIGHT? I MEAN, A BAR, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR MY HOUSE.

BUT YOU HAVE, THAT'S MY, THAT'S WHERE MY BUSINESS IS.

THAT'S YOUR, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE, BUT I MEAN, DOC, IF YOU'RE A DOCTOR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, A LICENSE TO PRACTICE MEDICINE, RIGHT? YOU PRACTICE LAW.

BUT O OTHER THAN THAT, WHY DO WE, WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE BUSINESS LICENSE FOR INVISIBLE BUSINESSES? BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY.

I, YEAH, LET'S, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M GONNA BE MERCENARY HERE.

I'M SIMPLY SAYING, YOU ASKED THAT DIVORCE, I MEAN, THERE'S A POINT YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IS IT THAT MUCH MONEY? I MEAN, SO IF IT'S THAT MUCH MONEY, OKAY, WOW, LET'S JUMP ON IT.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE THAT MUCH MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BUSINESS LICENSE COSTS, BUT THE THING, TO ME, I QUESTION WHY YOU EVEN HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR AN INVISIBLE BUSINESS.

YOU HAVE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ROADS.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT GOES ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT IF YOU JUST GOT INVISIBLE, DON'T HAVE A LICENSE.

JUST DO IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT.

PROBABLY GOES A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS, UH, ORDINANCE IDEA.

THAT'S PRETTY A GOOD WORK SESSION TOPIC.

BUT, UH, I THINK OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY SHOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

BUT, UH, MAYBE, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD TOPIC FOR, UH, A D DIFFERENT VENUE.

BUT, UM, MAYBE WE'RE NOT CHARGING ENOUGH ON THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES.

YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA GET BEHIND THAT.

SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S SO, UM, I GET A LAUGH.

ALRIGHT, SO, MR. ANDERSON, CAN I MAKE AN APPEAL? IF YOU WANT, HAVE A WORK SESSION.

COULD WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME? COULD WE PUSH BACK TO SEPTEMBER? RIGHT? I KNOW, BUT THAT'S ONLY GONNA GIVE US ABOUT A, A MONTH, MAYBE SIX WEEKS TO PREPARE FOR THAT VACATION.

AND WE GOTTA GET ALL THE INPUT.

PUBLIC HEARING, POSSIBLY.

SO I JUST SEPTEMBER MAYBE, MAYBE SEPTEMBER 17TH.

I BELIEVE I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS, UH, ITEM UNTIL AUGUST 20TH.

SO I THINK WE'RE READY FOR ROLL CALL.

SEPTEMBER 17TH.

UH, WE SAID AUGUST 20TH.

WHO SAID SEPTEMBER 17TH? WELL, HE, HE, ED, IF WE NEED IT TO, IF THEY NEED IT MORE TIME FOR, THEY MIGHT NEED MORE TIME.

IT'S THE SUMMERTIME.

WELL, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO CONTINUE THE MEETING UNTIL AUGUST 20TH.

SO DO I HEAR A MR. CHAIRMAN CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARINGS 'CAUSE YOU A PUBLIC HEARING.

NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE THE MEETING.

AUGUST 20TH.

JUST THE CHAIRMAN.

I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY CONTINUANCE.

YOUR MOTION.

MY MOTION TO SEPTEMBER WAS 17TH.

IS THAT THE SECOND TUESDAY? I MEAN THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.

THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THE MOTION IS CAUCUS TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE THREE WORKS.

SEPTEMBER 20 17TH.

17TH.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO CONTINUE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 14 HOME OCCUPATION REGULATIONS FOR THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024.

LIKE THE WETLANDS AND MAYBE THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ORDINANCE AS GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL CLEAN WATER ACT CHANGE UNDER KIND OF A UNIFORMED STRUCTURE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE, ON THE FOLLOW UP MOTION? ANYBODY? OKAY.

IF NOT, I CAN GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO CONTINUE PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 14 TO SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024.

[6. Proposed Consolidation of Erosion and Stormwater Management Programs: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 24-16 to integrate the stormwater requirements of the County of York and the erosion and sediment control requirements of the County of York into a consolidated erosion and stormwater management program.]

ALONG.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, ADOPTION OF PROPOSAL.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 16 INTEGRATE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY OF YORK AND EROSION SETTLEMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS TO THE COUNTY OF YORK.

AND JUST A CONSOLIDATED EROSION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

MR. KRIEGER, YOU GONNA HELP US OUT WITH THIS? YEAH, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND THANK YOU, SIR.

GET YOU GUYS OUT HERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO THERE'S A PROPOSED ORDINANCE 24 16, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE EROSION AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS WITHIN THE COUNTY INTO ONE ORDINANCE.

UM, I KNOW YOU'VE RECEIVED THE BOARD PACKAGE AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LENGTHY READ.

UM, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WELL, THE STATE HAS RECENTLY MERGED THEIR EROSION TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT GUIDANCE INTO ONE DOCUMENT AND, AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE SUIT.

UM, THE STATE'S ROLL UP OF THESE TWO MANDATES ARE ALL GONNA BE, UH, PUT OUT IN THE, WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE VIRGINIA STORMWATER HANDBOOK.

UM, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, I WOULD ANTICIPATE SOME OTHER ORDINANCE MERGERS, UH,

[02:20:01]

UM, THE REASON THEY'RE GOING UNDER THIS UNIFORM STRUCTURE IS TO, UH, ELIMINATE, UH, REDUNDANCIES.

BASICALLY, THERE AREN'T ANY REAL SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES BETWEEN US TAKING OUR TWO ORDINANCES AND MERGE 'EM TOGETHER.

UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY FEES.

UM, WE'LL STILL, YOU KNOW, REVIEW STORM WATER PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE REGULATIONS, WE'LL ISSUE PERMITS, UM, PROVIDE INSPECTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP DESIGNING TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.

UM, I APOLOGIZE A LITTLE BIT FOR THE URGENCY OF IT.

THE GUIDANCE CAME DOWN QUICKLY FROM THE STATE.

UM, WE JUST RECENTLY RECEIVED, AND IT MUST BE MO, LOCALLY ADOPTED BY JULY 1ST OF, OF 2024.

UM, ONE OF THE CHANGES, A A A LITTLE TWEAK IS, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS AND IS ADDING A REVIEW PANEL.

UM, STAFF FEELS AS NOT TO BURDEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH, UM, EXTRA RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE BOARD APPOINTED CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD COULD, UM, HANDLE THIS IF THEY NEEDED TO ARISE.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT IT WOULD DO IS, UH, HEAR POTENTIAL ISSUES BETWEEN YORK COUNTY AND A POSSIBLE PERMIT HOLDER.

UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER CHANGES.

UH, IF YOU READ DEEP DOWN IN IT AND YOU FOLLOW THE, UH, THE CHANGES OF THE SPECIFICATIONS.

LIKE, UH, THERE'S SOME FORMULA CALCULATIONS THAT ARE CHANGING FOR POLLUTION, YOU KNOW, UH, RUNOFF AND STORM ORDER FLOW.

UH, MY SNEAKY LITTLE SUSPICION IS THAT MAYBE THIS IS SOMEHOW TIED IN WITH POSSIBLE FUTURE CHANGES TO THE TDML PROGRAM.

UM, BUT WE'LL SEE AS TIME CHANGES.

UH, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. KRIEGER, START OFF, MR. DREWRY.

UM, SO CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN MERGING THE TWO? LIKE WHAT'S GONNA BE THE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE? THE PROS AND THE CONS? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT ON THIS.

UM, SO THE ADVANTAGES OF, OF MERGING 'EM IS YOU'LL DO A, WHEN YOU HAVE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WELL, IN, IN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT EROSION AND, AND RUNOFF AND LEACHING.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE MANUAL FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DEFINITIONS.

SO ROLLING THOSE ALL UP TOGETHER, IT WILL REDUCE THE REDUNDANCIES THAT'LL BE PUT UNDER ONE BOOK UNDER THE VIRGINIA STORMWATER HANDBOOK.

AND THAT'S KIND OF A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT I GO OUT FOR THE LOCALITIES TO, TO LIVE OFF OF AND MAKE THEIR CHANGES.

SO THERE WAS A, ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS SEPTEMBER, UH, WAS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ORDINANCE AND GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE, AND THEY WANTED THAT DONE BY SEPTEMBER, BUT THERE WAS SUCH AN OUTCRY FROM THE LOCALITIES, THEY DECIDED TO TABLE IT.

AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MORE TIME, BUT IT'S, IT'S MAINLY THE REDUNDANCIES AND PUTTING IT INTO ONE DOCUMENT.

YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO TO TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.

SO IN DOING THAT, ARE WE GONNA COMBINE THOSE DEPARTMENTS? UH, WELL, SO ONE PERSON HAS THE JOB TO, TO DO, SO IT'S GONNA BE ONE ORDINANCE, BUT ALL OF THIS WORK IS UNDER THE GREATER PUBLIC WORKS UMBRELLA.

WE HAVE STORM WATER ENGINEERS THAT REVIEW PLANS, SO THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

WE ISSUE PERMITS ONCE THE PERMITS ARE ISSUED TO THE DEVELOPER OR WHOEVER'S DOING THE WORK.

WE HAVE A BODY OF INSPECTORS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS THAT GO OUT TO THE SITE AND, AND, HEY, YOU NEED SOME SILT FENCE OR S ONE OR, YOU KNOW, THE CHECK DAM YOU PUT IN IS NOT BUILT TO PLAN.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME SILTATION AND RUNOFF HERE.

SO IT'S COMBINING THE TWO ORDINANCES.

BUT ALL THE WORK THAT WOULD BE SURROUNDED, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE WORK OF THE ORDINANCE IS ALL WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS CURRENTLY.

I THOUGHT, I THINK MR. DREW MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD'VE RAISED YOUR HAND AND SAY, YES, SIR, THAT'S ME.

, WELL, MAY WELL, NOT EXACTLY ME.

I'VE, I'VE, I'VE GOT SOME GUYS IN PUBLIC WORKS AND SOME LADIES THAT ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN ME.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, MORE EFFICIENT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE POSSIBLY, UM, THE, THE STATE'S GUIDANCE IS, UH, BASICALLY TO, UH, ELIMINATE THE REDUNDANCIES AND REDUCE CONFLICTS.

BE MORE EFFICIENT.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE MORE EFFICIENT.

THAT SOUNDS NICE.

WELL, WELL, HERE'S THE THING WITH THAT IS, UM, E EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PUTTING IT UNDER, UNDER ONE GENERAL ORDINANCE, THE STAFF THAT GOES OVER UNDER THIS OR WORK UNDER THIS HAS DIFFERENT SPECIALTIES.

WELL, TO ME, IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, THEN I'M THINKING DO YOU NEED BOTH PEOPLE GOING OUT AND TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING? UM,

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AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET LESS PERMITS.

SO THERE'S A GROUP OF, DANG IT, , SORRY.

THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT WILL REVIEW THE PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS AND ENGINEERING STAFF THAT'LL LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THE PLANS ARE GONNA BE BUILT, SPECIFICATION, YOU KNOW, PERMITS ARE ISSUED.

THEN WE HAVE INSPECTORS THAT GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THE WORKS ACCORDING TO THE PLAN OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO.

AND IS THIS SOMETHING OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE DONE OR DOING? UM, I WOULD BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR IT, BUT, UM, THE, THE BUTTON THAT PUSHED THE GO ON THIS WAS BASICALLY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

THEY'RE GONNA MERGE.

SO IT MADE SENSE FOR US TO MERGE.

AND, UM, THIS IS GONNA, I, I SEE THIS MERGER OF THESE TWO EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM ORDER MANAGEMENT, THEY'RE GONNA MERGE.

I HAVE A FEELING THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ORDINANCES FROM THE STATE ARE GONNA MERGE UNDER THIS.

I HAVE A FEELING WE JUST DID THE WETLANDS AND LIVING SHORELINE.

WELL, THIS IS RELATED TO THIS.

I HAVE A FEELING ALL THIS IS GONNA MERGE UNDER ONE HANDBOOK, UNDER ONE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE REDUNDANCIES.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY THE STATE.

A LOT OF IT'S DRIVEN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE CLEAN WATER ACT.

AND IT'S, IT'S ALL SURROUNDED, I GUESS AT THE BASE OF THE CRUX OF IT IS, UM, OBEYING THE LAW TO ELIMINATE POLLUTION AND, AND RUNOFF.

MM-HMM, .

I THINK IT JUST SOUNDS TO ME MORE, IT SHOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT IF WE CAN PUT IT ALL UNDER ONE ROOF, I WOULD SUSPECT.

MR. SHEPHERD.

SO NOW I'M GETTING TO SEE THINGS COME FULL CIRCLE .

I KNOW I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD TOO LONG.

THAT WAS A, UM, THAT WAS A TIME WHEN THE STORMWATER COMMITTEE, NOT STORMWATER COMMITTEE, LET, FORGET THAT.

GET RID OF THAT THAT THOUGHT.

IT WAS THE WETLANDS BOARD.

WETLANDS DID ALL THE STUFF THAT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD DID.

IT DOES TODAY.

AND I WAS GOING ALONG OKAY WITH THIS UNTIL YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PUTTING THIS UNDER THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD.

AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY, I WILL GO TO MY DEATH FIGHTING AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DYSFUNCTIONAL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU GET UP ON THE WATERFRONT CUTTING TREES DOWN AND CRAP LIKE THAT.

NO, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THE CONSOLIDATION OF THESE RULES AND MANAGEMENT GREAT.

BUT I DON'T, I'M A SUPERVISOR UP HERE.

I GOT ELECTED BY THE CITIZENS IN MY DISTRICT AND AS ALL THESE OTHER SUPERVISORS AND, AND WHEN IT, SOMETIMES THERE IS TIME FOR US TO WADE IN ON THESE THINGS.

SO YOU RUN, IT'S ALREADY CONSOLIDATED WHEN IT PUTS IT UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE FORMAT OF THE, OF THE LAWS AND THE RULES FROM THE STATE.

YOU'RE NOT CHANGING PEOPLE AROUND.

YOU'RE JUST TAKING ALL THIS TMDL AND ALL THIS, UH, WETLANDS AND, AND, UH, R-P-A-R-M-A AND ALL THIS STUFF.

YOU'RE PUTTING IT ALL UNDER A COMMON, A COMMON SENSE THING.

IT'S FINE.

DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TAKING THE, THE AUTHORITY AWAY FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ENGAGE IN THIS.

I'M, I'M SERIOUS.

WE, YOU DO NOT WANT TO, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT DILUTED ENOUGH.

AND I MEAN, IT'S FINE.

I SAY DILUTED.

YOU, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU EVEN HAVE, UH, THE P-D-C-H-R-P-D-C, WHICH ALREADY WRITES DOCUMENTS TO HELP SUPPORT MM-HMM.

THE MUNICIPALITIES IN CREATING THEIR DOCUMENTS.

YOU ALREADY HAVE, UH, WHAT IS IT SANITATION DISTRICTS ALREADY INVOLVED IN IN SOME OF THESE THINGS? SO, UM, I'M OKAY WITH, I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT, BUT I DON'T, DON'T UNDERMINE THE, THE, THE CITIZENS' REPRESENTATIVES FOR THESE THINGS.

AND WE THEN APPOINT PEOPLE TO SERVE IN THESE VARIOUS FUNCTIONS.

WE CORRECT.

AND THAT'S, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

DOWN HERE AND DOES AN INSPECTION AND HE'S GONNA END UP BEING THE, THE, THE FINAL SAY IN IT.

SO I JUST DON'T, I, YOU REALLY GOT ME GOING ON THAT ONE WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, THAT JUST, THAT AIN'T GONNA, THAT JUST CANNOT HAPPEN.

I MEAN, THIS BOARD COULD GIVE IT, I WOULD GIVE IT BACK TO THE STATE BEFORE I WOULD, UH, TURN THAT OVER HERE.

IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, A, A FUNNY ADD-ON FOR A RULE BECAUSE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THE PANEL WILL HEAR A, A ISSUE BETWEEN YORK COUNTY AND THE PERMIT HOLDER.

SO, WELL, THE YORK COUNTY'S GONNA UPHOLD THE LAW FROM THE STATE, AND THEN THE GUY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMES

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UM, WELL, THE ONLY REASON, I MEAN, WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A BETTER, UM, A BETTER INPUT.

WE HAVE A BETTER INPUT TO OUR CITIZENS OF A QUICKER, EASIER ACCESS TO A RULING INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO NEWPORT NEWS OR SOMEPLACE ELSE TO DO IT.

BUT THE STATE GIVE GAVE US, AND GIVES ME MUNICIPALITIES THAT OPTION TO DO THIS.

BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA SCREW AROUND AND FORCE US INTO STUFF THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA END UP A FUR BALL GOING ON ROUND BELOW US, THEN GIVE IT BACK TO THE STATE AND LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT.

AND I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO TAKE IT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THE JOB.

IT'S, IT'S BETTER FOR US TO, TO HAVE IT IN OUR REALM FOUR, OUR CITIZENS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, SO I MIGHT NEED MR. HILL'S HELP WITH THIS, UH, WITH THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND OR MAYBE SHERRY.

UM, SO I BELIEVE COULD, COULD WE DIRECT THE PERMIT ISSUES TO COME TO THE BOARD INSTEAD OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD? WE CAN.

AND THEN IN ALL OF MY YEARS AS THE PUBLIC WORKS AND BEING IN PUBLIC WORKS, I CAN'T, I'M GONNA ASK A COUPLE EXPERTS TO WEIGH IN MR. BROGAN OR MR. WALTERS IF, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE, I BELIEVE IS THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE CHANGE ABOUT HEARING APPEALS.

IT'S APPEALS.

AND THE QUESTION IS, WHO'S HEARING THE APPEAL, WHETHER IT BE THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, BOARD, THE BOARD, OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND SO I THINK THE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD WERE EITHER THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OR THE BOARD COULD DESIGNATE ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON TO HEAR THOSE APPEALS FOR THE BOARD AS WELL.

SO WHO HEARS, WHO HEAR, WHO HEARS THE APPEALS TODAY? RIGHT NOW IT IS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD.

IT'S SPECIFICALLY APPEALS PERMIT VIOLATIONS.

, UH, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR, UM, SINCE THE, THE NEWEST ORDINANCE.

HOWEVER, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN APPEAL.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING.

SO, YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT, IN THE ORDINANCE IT SAYS CHESAPEAKE BOARD, BUT WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN APPEAL IN MY 30 YEARS HERE.

SO, UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG ISSUE EITHER WAY.

AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS APPEALS OF, UM, LICENSE PERMITTING FOR, FOR PERMIT EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL.

SO IF THE COUNTY IS FINDING SOMEBODY IN VIOLATION OF THEIR PERMIT CONDITIONS, UM, AND WE ISSUE SAY LIKE A NOTICE TO COMPLY OR OTHER FORMAL DOCUMENT, THIS IS AN APPEALS PROCESS TO SAY THAT THE COUNTY MIGHT BE INCORRECT IN THEIR JUDGMENT.

EXCUSE MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO THE, THE APPEAL CURRENTLY, THE CHESAPEAKE, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, THE WETLANDS BOARD, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A FINE UP TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR VIOLATION.

I THINK THAT HASN'T CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD EVER HAD ANY AUTHORITY LIKE THAT.

UH, SO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, UH, DOES NOT DO THINGS RELATED TO THIS.

BUT THE COUNTY AND OUR STORMWATER DIVISION DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PERMIT FINES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THEIR PERMIT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THAT APPEALS PROCEDURE IS RELATED TO.

SO THEN BE THE APPEAL OF OUR STAFF WORK.

AND LIKE YOU, LIKE, OKAY.

LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE NEVER HAD ONE.

'CAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD OF ONE.

NO, BUT THE POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, IN FACT, THERE, THE, THE, THE ONE I HEARD OF, IF, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD GO TO THE COURT.

I MEAN, IT WAS SOME ISSUE THAT YOU TAKE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE COURT.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO STUFF LIKE THAT, I THINK RIGHT NOW I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE LEAVING IT ONTO, UH, LIKE TO CHESAPEAKE BAY.

I'LL PUT IT RIGHT UP HERE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

'CAUSE THEN YOU GET TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR DISTRICT.

OTHERWISE YOU WON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT BLOWS UP IN YOUR FACE.

SO I WILL SAY THAT THE NEW ORDINANCE DOES MAINTAIN THE ACCESS TO GO TO THE COURT FOR FURTHER APPEALS.

BUT THE STATE ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED DOES REQUIRE A, UH, LOCAL AUTHORITY TO ALSO REVIEW IT, BE IT THE LOCAL GOVERNING BODY OR A ZONING BOARD SUCH AS THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD.

SO THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO TAKE IT TO COURT, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE AN INTERMEDIARY STEP COMPUTER PROCESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

ANYWAY, I JUST, I, OKAY, I'M DONE.

Y'ALL, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HANG OUT.

WHAT? I'M TRYING, SO THIS IS NO, YOU'RE UP, YOU'RE UP NEXT.

WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TOM, WHY YOU'RE OBJECTING TO AN APPEAL TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD.

WELL, WE'VE NEVER HAD AN APPEAL TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD ANYWAY.

THIS IS JUST SORT OF A, AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.

WELL, OKAY.

DOES THE EXERCISES COME UP? BITE IN THE BUTT.

THE REASON, THE REASON SHEILA IS WHEN THEY TOOK A SEPARATED THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD IN THE WETLAND BOARD.

INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS ON THERE.

HOW THE HELL RAISING THAT WENT ON OVER THAT AND THEN, AND THEN THE, THE REACTION TO THE CITIZENS, WE HAD TO GO PUT OUR

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AND THEN THE BATTLE THAT ENSUED.

I MEAN, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT AGAIN.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO IF IT COMES UP TO US.

WELL, THE CITIZENS WERE, I MEAN, SO YOU, WHAT YOU WANTED DO IS HAVE THE APPEAL COME TO THE BOARD SU SUPERVISORS.

SO, HO HOLD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, TOM? HOLD ON, HOLD ON A SECOND.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND WE'RE GETTING INTO THE, THE, UM, BACKGROUND COMMENTS BY THE BOARD.

NOW, BEFORE WE HAVE ANY CHANCE FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

SO LET'S FOCUS ON QUESTIONS TO STAFF, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

SO, MRS. NO, DO YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

LET THE PEOPLE ASK.

MI MR. ROY, UH, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON 10 21, WHICH HEARING SECTION DESIGNATED, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

SAME WAY, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE OUR, I'M ASKING NOW.

I KNOW, BUT THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF, OF OUR ZONING, OUR ZONING OFFICIAL.

I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE HERE.

PAGE.

WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON? MAY I, UH, ON PAGE 41, IT'S YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO THE DESIGNATED MEMBER, WE DISCUSSED THIS, IT WOULD ONLY PERTAIN TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

SO EITHER, SO ESSENTIALLY THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE MOST RELEVANT FOR THE, FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DECIDE ON WOULD BE THAT HEARINGS WOULD BE HEARD EITHER BY THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, BY THE ENTIRE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, OR BY A SINGLE MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER OF THOSE LAST TWO.

ANYTHING ELSE MR. ? NO, I DON'T.

MR. HILL, I I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE THE POINT THAT HE MADE THAT, THAT THAT THE, THE MEMBER IS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND YOU COULD LEAVE THE LANGUAGE WHERE YOU COULD LE YOU COULD LEAVE THE ORDINANCE BROAD ENOUGH WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S, IT READS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR A SINGLE MEMBER AND THEN GIVE YOURSELVES THE OPTION TO, TO DO THAT AT A FUTURE TIME WITHOUT TYING YOUR HANDS AT THIS TIME.

DOES IT, DOES IT DOESN'T MEAN A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR SOMEONE DESIGNATED BY THE BOARD SINGLE.

THAT COULD BE EITHER.

THE WAY WE WROTE IT WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

CHAIRMAN NEEDS MORE WORK.

MR. BE DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SHARE? I I, I DO.

I I WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT.

SO MR. BROGAN, WHO ISSUES LDS, WHAT IS AN LDA, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

WE, WE ISSUE THE L DS.

YOUR DIVISION? YES.

YOUR DIVISION.

UM, WHO DOES BMP INSPECTIONS? OUR DIVISION.

YOUR DIVISION, YEAH.

WHO WOULD ISSUE ANY KIND OF STORMWATER PERMIT? WE, OUR DIVISION, WE DO MR. DREWRY.

WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS THE TWO PEOPLE THAT HANDLE THE FUNCTION THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S THEM RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EFFICIENCY THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IS REALLY IN PAPERWORK.

IT'S NOT MANPOWER.

IT'S THESE PEOPLE.

AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING IN TERMS OF PROCESSES AND ACTIONS THAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE OTHERWISE.

THIS IS JUST A COMBINING OF PAPERWORK.

IT'S PAPERWORK.

THEY CAN'T, THEY DON'T DO AN APPEAL.

AND I, AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I, I'M GONNA TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS.

UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS OUGHT TO BE HANDLED AND I RECOMMENDED THAT THIS GO TO CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD BECAUSE I FELT LIKE THE BOARD HAD HEARD, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF SUVS, STR HOW YOU WERE, UM, TIRED OF HEARING EVERY ONE.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FROM ME.

THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT.

UH, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THIS GO TO CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD TO KEEP IT OFF YOUR PLATE.

OBVIOUSLY WE, WE LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS AND YOU COULD DO THAT.

THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.

BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT WAS ME.

THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK, GUYS.

WAY, WE COULD WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT MONTH? YEAH.

UH, MY QUESTION, THERE'S ALMOST 50 PAGES OF CHANGES HERE.

WE COMBINED THE TWO DOCUMENTS, A LOT OF THE BLUE, A LOT RED ACROSS X.

SO BOTTOM LINE, WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL IMPACT OF YORK COUNTY CITIZENS AND HOMEOWNERS COMBINING THE THESE TWO ORDINANCES? UH, THERE SHOULD BE NO REAL CHANGE.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S, AND I MEAN, AND THAT'S, IT'S REALLY WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS, MEETS THE ROAD.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

SO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING WE WERE MISSING THERE.

SO, OKAY.

UH, I WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR IT, BUT DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? ALRIGHT.

CNNI WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOW WE'RE READY TO HAVE DISCUSSION.

I'LL START DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE ON THIS END.

UM, MR. ROY, WELL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE DISCUSSION.

I, I, I THINK THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE, UH, MAINTAIN THE APPEALS, UH, DISCUSSION OR THE HEARING AT, UH, AT THIS LEVEL, AT AN, AT A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LEVEL.

I CAN LIVE WITH EITHER, UH, AN APPOINTED MEMBER OF THE BOARD OR THE BOARD AS A WHOLE, GIVEN THAT IT'S NEVER HAPPENED IN 30 YEARS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE.

EITHER

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WELL, WE, WE COULD PROBABLY LEAVE IT AS, UH, A DECISION TO BE MADE BY THE BOARD IF AN APPEAL, IF A HEARING, UH, IS REQUIRED.

I'LL GO ALONG WITH WHATEVER THAT IS.

MR. ODER? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SECOND THAT WITH DOUG.

UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, YEAH, MARK, I APPRECIATE YOU PR PROTECTING MORE TIME FOR US.

UM, BUT I AGREE WITH TOM THAT I THINK I LIVE ON THE WATER AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, SO I WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN BEING A PART OF THOSE DECISIONS.

WE'LL DO IT.

YES, FOR SURE.

MR. SHEPHERD.

THE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, UM, I'VE NEVER, WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THESE, BUT THIS COULD BE ONE OF THESE JOBS THAT WE PUT IN OUR, OUR PROCEDURES WHERE THE CHAIRMAN IS THE APPOINTED THE PERSON THAT DOES IT, OR HE DESIGNATES DESIGNATES HE OR SHE THAT THE CHAIRMAN DESIGNATES A PERSON TO DO SERVE IF THAT EVER COMES UP.

IN OTHER WORDS, THIS, THIS KEEPS IT FROM BEING, YOU KNOW, WAY OUT THERE TOO MUCH.

BUT I DO, I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF EVER GIVING UP THE GIVING UP.

WELL, YOU PUT IT IN SHOULD THE WHOLE BOARD SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, I THINK ANY WATER YOU HAVE, ANY, YOU HAVE ANY, ANY WATER.

WATER AROUND YOUR PROPERTY.

WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UM, LIVING IN DISTRICT THREE, I'M SURROUNDED BY WATER.

SO IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN APPEAL, IT'S PROBABLY COMING OUTTA DISTRICT THREE.

I GOT IN MINE MORE THAN LIKELY I GOT IN MIND I GOT LAMPS CREEK.

SO YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT.

SO I THINK I'M BRINGING THE RIGHT SECTION HERE.

ANY PERMIT APPLICANT OR PERMITTING, UH, REQUIREMENTS TAKING ACTION, UM, AND MAY DEMAND IN WRITING A FORMAL HEARING BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? YES.

OR YORK COUNTY, CHESAPEAKE MAY BOARD PROVIDED A PETITION REQUEST.

SO WHO MAKES THE OR DECISION WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT, WHERE DOES THAT WRITING COME TO? I, WE MAKE IT, I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT IN YOUR MOTION.

WE MAKE IT EXACTLY.

I WOULD RECOM AND IS IT NOT WRITTEN AS A RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD? SO IT WOULD BECOME A R UM, NO.

IT IS NOT, NO.

THE, THE ORDINANCE SAYS IT APPEARS NOW HAS BOTH OPTIONS.

SO THE, THE OKAY, THE MOTION, MAKE THE MOTION AS TO WHICH OPTION YOU PREFER, VOTE ON IT, AND THEN THE FINAL PASS VERSION WILL STRIKE OUT THE REFERENCES TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD AND THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

AND THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS, NOT JUST TWO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SINGLE PERSON, THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD.

SO WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT IS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, SO, SO HOLD ON.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES THAT FORMAL WRITTEN APPEAL, WHO DOES IT COME TO? IT WOULD COME TO THE BOARD AND THEN THE BOARD COULD ESTABLISH A PROCEDURE THAT IT'S EITHER HEARD BY THE BOARD OR BY A DESIGNATED PERSON.

AND IF YOU PASS THE ORDINANCE TODAY, UM, THAT RETAINS BOTH THE LANGUAGE OF BOTH THE BOARD OR A DESIGNATED MEMBER AND SIMPLY STRIKE REFERENCES TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, THEN THE BOARD WOULD, WOULD RETAIN EITHER OPTION.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED TO AND HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE SEE THE APPEALS FIRST AND THEN WE MAKE THE DECISION, WHETHER IT BE THE FULL BOARD AND APPOINTEE OF THE BOARD, RIGHT.

OR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD, WE CAN MAKE THE CALL RIGHT.

THEN WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO STRIKE ANYTHING.

'CAUSE IT COMES TO US FIRST.

WE CAN DECIDE THE, OR WELL, I THINK THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN SHALL THE APPEAL GOES MEET DIRECTLY FROM APPEAL TO EITHER THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR THE CHEE CHE BAY BOARD.

SSE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

WE TRYING TO GET TO THE BOARD SUPERVISOR.

SO WHO DECIDES WHICH ONE IT GOES TO THAT WE DO? WE DO, WE DO.

THAT'S DECIDED WHEN YOU DECIDE WHICH VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE YOU WISH TO PASS TONIGHT.

TONIGHT, , MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, UH, ORDINANCE 24 16 WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE STRIKE THE CHESAPEAKE BAY BOARD FROM, UH, THE, UM, THE HEARING SECTION.

ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD.

UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MOTION.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? AND READ IT BACK TO US PLEASE? GOOD LUCK.

THAT ASK WHAT THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 16 R AS AMENDED.

AMERICAN CRUISE LINE, PRIORITY DOCKING AGREEMENT, RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 98.

THAT PART, RIGHT? YES.

[7. American Cruise Lines Priority Docking Agreement: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-98 to authorize the County Administrator to enter into a priority docking agreement and license agreement with American Cruise Lines, Inc., for the use of County facilities located on the T-pier at the Riverwalk Landing Marina. ]

UM, MS. OLSON

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IS AWAY, SO YOU WILL HELP BE HELPING US TONIGHT, SO SURE.

TAKE IT AWAY.

IT'S DOMESTICALLY FLAGGED AND IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS.

AND, AND THANK YOU, UM, THIS EVENING, UH, BEFORE YOU, THIS PUBLIC HEARINGS TO, I GUESS TO GIVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THE PERMISSION OR THE AUTHORITY TO ENTER INTO A PRIORITY DOCKING AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN CRUDE LINES.

SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRIORITY DOCKING AGREEMENT? WELL, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT REALLY SOLIDIFIES YORK COUNTY'S EXISTING RELATIONSHIP WITH AMERICAN CRUISE LINES, WHICH HAS SPANNED MORE THAN TWO DECADES.

UM, AND THEN OVER THE LAST, LET'S SAY MAYBE 18 MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN A CALL FROM THE PUBLIC TO, UM, KIND OF, KIND OF TO, TO ONCE AGAIN SOLIDIFY THESE AGREEMENTS WITH COMPANIES SUCH AS AMERICAN CRUISE LINES, WHICH HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS MEETING THE MARKS OF RESPONSIBLE TOURISM.

UM, BY FULFILLING THIS CALL, WE'RE CONNECTING WITH A COMPANY THAT'S A RIVER CLASS VESSEL.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR POINTS THAT THE, THE PUBLIC HAS TOLD US THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO PURSUE WHEN WE PURSUE RESPONSIBLE TOURISM.

SO JUST SOME, SOME HIGH POINTS OF THE AGREEMENT.

AMERICAN CRUISE LINE PASSENGER VESSELS, AND THIS WILL BE IN THE AGREEMENT, WILL BE UNDER 270 FEET IN LENGTH AND HOLD NO MORE THAN 175 PASSENGERS.

SO THEIR AGREEMENT WOULD GUARANTEE 20 ARRIVALS AT A FLAT RATE.

AND ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WOULD BE AT OUR NORMAL COMMERCIAL RATE.

AND THEN THIS ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY TRASH OR WATER SERVICES.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THIS IS, UH, WE, UH, IN THIS CONTRACT OR THIS AGREEMENT, UM, ACL WILL PROVIDE A COMMITMENT TO INCLUDING YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, AND ALL OF ITS ITINERARIES.

IT SETS FOR THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AT LIST AND PROMOTES YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA ON ALL OF ITS ADVERTISEMENTS.

AND THEN REALLY A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC FOCUS ON THOSE YORKTOWN CENTRIC EXCURSIONS, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN DOING.

SO HERE, EXHIBIT A, IT SHOWS YOU THE PRIOR PRIORITY DOCKING AREA ON THE T PIER OR ALSO KNOWN AS OUR COMMERCIAL PIER, OUR DOCKING FACILITIES, AND THEN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

SO IN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE PICK UP PASSENGERS WITH THE TROLLEY OR THE TOUR BUSES OR, OR ANYTHING OF THE, LIKE, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WE HAVE CARSON LANDER HERE FROM AMERICAN CRUISE LINES THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS WELL.

UH, MR. SHEPHERD, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE, SOMEWHERE IN HERE WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT A, AN AIRPLANE, RIGHT? YES SIR.

SO HOW'S THAT GONNA FIT WITH ON THIS DOCKING? IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, IT'S, IT'S GONNA GO FANTASTIC BECAUSE THIS IS ANOTHER FANTASTIC AMENITY FOR THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE PASSENGERS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

AND AS FAR AS DOCKING AREA HAND, IT WILL NOT CONFLICT HAND AND GLOVE.

THERE YOU GO.

HAND AND GLOVE.

WELL I'VE JUST KIND OF LOOKED AT THE DOCKING LAYOUT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PLANE HERE AT THE SAME TIME AND DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER? YEAH, RIGHT DOWN IN THERE.

SO RIGHT DOWN HERE.

SO THIS GREEN AREA IS WHERE AMERICAN CRUISE LINES WILL BE LOCATED FOR THEIR DOCKING, THE GREEN BOX.

OKAY, GOT IT.

YEP.

IN THE GREEN BOX AT THE END OF THE P THAT WAS MY CONCERN.

ALRIGHT, MR. DREWRY.

UM, SO WE'RE SAYING HERE IT'S, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE COMMITTING TO, UH, 2020 GUARANTEED ARRIVALS, RIGHT? EACH YEAR? YES, SIR.

EACH YEAR.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I THINK AMERICAN CRUISE LINES WANTS TO BRING EVEN MORE, IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.

SO THIS YEAR, UH, FOR INSTANCE AT THAT YEAR, 57 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WELL, WE HAVE 28 SCHEDULED FOR THIS YEAR.

AND I'LL, I'LL LET CARSON SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ABOUT THE FUTURE PLANS FOR YORKTOWN.

UM, NOTHING'S BEEN SET IN STONE.

UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT KIND OF HOW AMERICAN CRUISE LINE OPERATES, IT'S KIND OF SEASON ME, IT KIND OF MOVES WITH THE WEATHER.

SO IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN IT'S REALLY, REALLY HOT HERE AND THEN REALLY, REALLY HOT IN FLORIDA, THEY GO UP TO, TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THE EAST COAST IN SPRING AND FALL WHEN IT'S REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL HERE IN YORKTOWN, THAT'S WHEN WE TEND TO SEE 'EM HERE IN YORKTOWN AND ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY AND IN WINTERTIME WHERE IT'S TOO COLD AND EITHER THE NORTH OR TO THE MID-ATLANTIC, THEN THEY GO DOWN TO FLORIDA KEY WEST.

SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA HOW IT WOULD MOVE.

SO, AND AGAIN, WITHIN THIS, WITHIN THE STOCKING AGREEMENT, WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SET DAYS THAT WE CAN PAY, SAY, HEY, NO, WE, WE, WE DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD COME HERE THIS DAY.

WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH GOING ON.

SO, MM-HMM .

AND THEN ANOTHER THING TO, TO, UH, TO NOTE TOO, AND THIS REALLY TYPIFIES AMERICAN CRUISE LINE'S COMMITMENT TO YORK COUNTY IS BEYOND THIS FLAT RATE THAT THEY'RE PAYING AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL FEES FOR ANY VISITATIONS AFTER THAT, THEY'VE ALSO AGREED TO MAKE AN ANNUAL CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION.

SO THAT ANNUAL CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION WILL GO TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'LL NOT ONLY BENEFIT AMERICAN CRUISE LINES AND THEIR PASSENGERS, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY, UM, WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF A, AN ELEMENT OR ANOTHER LAYER TO THEIR COMMITMENT TO YORK COUNTY.

SO.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT FOR SURE.

DO YOU WANNA PAY FOR THE, DID YOU MEAN HEAR MORE ABOUT THE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT ASPECT OR THE INCREASED DOCKING? YEAH.

SOME OF THAT AND THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE.

YOUR, SHARE YOUR NAME WITH US AGAIN PLEASE.

REAL QUICK, SHARE

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CARSON ISLANDER.

AND, AND WITH, UH, AMERICAN CRUISE CRUISE LINE.

YOUR, YOUR ROLE.

MARINE OPERATIONS ANALYST.

YEAH, SO WE, WE REALLY SEE YORKTOWN AS A, A FOCAL POINT OF OUR CHESAPEAKE BAY ITINERARY, AND WE'D LOVE TO EXPAND THAT.

UM, AS DARREN EXPLAINED, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN COMING HERE 20 PLUS YEARS.

OUR GOAL IS REALLY TO TELL AMERICA'S STORY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN TELL AMERICA'S STORY WITHOUT DISCUSSING YORKTOWN AND YORK COUNTY.

UM, SO WE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND OUR RELATIONSHIP AND HAVING THIS PRIORITY AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW US TO NOT ONLY INVEST IN THE RIVERFRONT AREA, BUT WILL ALLOW US TO EXPAND OUR, OUR DOCKINGS AS WELL.

SHARE WITH US ABOUT THE CAPITAL THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT HELPING US WITH.

AND WHAT KIND OF IDEAS WOULD YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAYBE DARREN AND HIS TEAM IS GONNA BE WORKING ON? SO, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF PROJECTS WE COULD HIGHLIGHT.

YOU KNOW, ONE KIND OF KIND OF THING I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BENEFIT FROM IS ADDITIONAL CUTOUTS OR ADDITIONAL CUTOUT SPACES TO, TO GET SOME AREAS FOR NOT ONLY OUR TROLLEYS AND THE, THE TOUR OR THE MOTOR COACHES THAT COME IN FOR AMERICAN CRUISE LINES, BUT WE CAN USE IT FOR ON UNLOADING AND OFFLOADING WHEN WE HAVE AN EVENT.

UM, SO EVERY, EVERY SINGLE SATURDAY WE HAVE ARTISTS THAT LINE UP IN THAT AREA, THAT REALLY CENTRAL AREA.

SO INCREASED CUTOUTS WOULD OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC, NOT ONLY FROM WHEN AMERICAN CRUISE LINES IS HERE, BUT ALSO FOR WHEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR EVERY SATURDAY MARKET, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT POTENTIALLY FUNDING A TROLLEY THAT WAS NOT FEDERALLY FUNDED.

SO WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO DO SOME TOURS OR EXPAND SOME EXCURSIONS.

ANOTHER PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASED POWER ON THE PIERS.

SO INCREASED POWER ON THEIR PIERS WILL ALLOW THEM NOT TO HAVE TO RUN A GENERATOR WHEN THEY'RE ON THE PIERS AND THEY CAN HOOK UP TO SHORE POWER.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THOSE, THESE ARE RELATIVELY BIG PROJECTS THAT THEIR CONTR CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION THAT WILL GO, GO TOWARDS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MUTUALLY AGREED UPON BETWEEN AMERICAN CRUISE LINES AND YORK COUNTY.

GOOD.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL, I CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THAT AS WELL.

YEAH, SURE.

SO WE HAVE SEVERAL CASE STUDIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN DIVERSE ENVIRONMENTS EVERYWHERE FROM KALAMA, WASHINGTON TO HANNIBAL, MISSOURI TO NATCHEZ, MISSISSIPPI, WHERE WE'VE ALSO, UM, PARTICIPATED WITH OUR PORT PARTNERS IN A BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS OF THE RIVERFRONT.

SO THAT CAN BE INVESTING IN LANDSCAPING AND, AND ANY KIND OF REVAMPING OF THE RIVERFRONT THAT WE'D WORK DIRECTLY WITH DARREN AND HIS TEAM WITH.

GOOD.

SO HOW MANY, SO 58, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 58? NO, NO, I JUST, I HEARD THAT NUMBER SOMEWHERE.

SO 28 IS THE, THE 28, THE AMOUNT WE HAVE FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024 CURRENTLY.

SO WHAT'S THE GAP? HOW MUCH, I MEAN, BETWEEN CRUISES SHOWING UP, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SCHEDULE.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW, WE JUST HAD OUR LAST ARRIVAL, UH, I BELIEVE ON JUNE 11TH.

AND WE WON'T HAVE ANOTHER CRUISE SHIP HERE UNTIL OCTOBER 26TH OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

UM, IN, IN MAY, WE HAD 'EM COMING PRETTY HOT AND HEAVY.

I THINK WE HAD MAYBE EIGHT NINE, MAYBE 10 ARRIVALS.

IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SCHEDULE MUCH.

AND IT DEPENDS, DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU GUYS CAN BOOK AS WELL.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE HAD TO BUILD A NEW DOCK.

OH, NO, IT'LL SIT RIGHT ON THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KNOW.

IT'S NOT HAVE MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME.

ALL RIGHT, MS. SNO? NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, MR. HOLBROOK.

YEAH, I'M, I'M EARNING THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITMENT AND WHEN I SEE THE WORD COMMITMENT, IT'S TWO-WAY.

IT'S AMERICAN CRUISE LINE AND IT'S THE COUNTY.

SO YOU'RE COMMITTING TO, UM, BE SHORE POWER ALREADY.

AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PROJECT MEANS AND WHAT KIND OF FINANCES I NEED TO PUT BEHIND IT.

AND HOW BIG IS THAT? YES.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE KIND OF, UH, FACT FINDING PORTION OF THAT PROJECT.

SO, UM, AS YOU GUYS SO KINDLY, UH, AGREED TO, UH, NEW DOCK MASTER BUILDING.

SO WHILE WE'RE MAKING THIS DOC MASTER IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE WE AT LEAST LAY THE GROUNDWORK TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I KNOW FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT WE HAVE TO BRING THE POWER FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

WELL, WHAT THAT, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO ENTAIL? WE NEED CONDUIT TO GET THAT POWER OVER THERE.

SO WE'RE ACTIVELY TAKING THOSE STEPS AND LOOKING INTO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE A PRICE FOR YOU TODAY, BUT ENGINEERING IS WORKING ON THAT AND WE'LL GET, GET THAT TO YOU AS SOON AS WE HAVE SOMETHING.

IS IT IN OUR CIPI? I DO NOT KNOW.

I CAN, I CAN GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU THOUGH, SIR.

THAT'S, THAT'S PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.

LET'S GET IT IN OUR CIP.

PRIORITY OTHER OVER OTHER CRUISE LINES TO DOCK AT OUR FACILITIES.

WILL DO THINK IT IS.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE CIP.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

AMERICAN CRUISE LINE HAVE BEEN A GREAT PARTNER WITH US FOR, FOR YEARS.

UM, GOOD LOOKING BOATS, THE NON-DISRUPTIVE, IT BRINGS SOME FOLKS IN IT'S ATTENTION.

GA IT'S A ATTENTION ITEM FOR, FOR THE WATERFRONT.

IT'S GREAT THERE.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, ASPECTS OF THE AGREEMENT ADVERTISING AND SO FORTH, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRIORITY PART OF THE DOCKET PRIORITY IS.

THE, THEY STILL HAVE THE DOCKET, THE SAME PEER.

IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A DIFFERENT PEER.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.

YOU GOTTA SCHEDULE IT.

SO, AND MAYBE IT'S JUST SEMANTICS, BUT, SO AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. HORAY TALKED ABOUT A COMMITMENT.

THIS IS A COMMITMENT TO, TO SERVING YOUR COUNTY AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY PAYING US MORE THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY CHARGE FOR DOCKINGS AND MAKING THIS CAPITAL COMMITMENT.

SO FOR THAT COMMITMENT FROM AMERICAN CRUISE LINES, WE WILL GIVE THEM

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SO ANOTHER PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS WE WOULD HAVE OUR, OUR CALENDAR YEAR DOCKINGS DETERMINED FOR JANUARY ONE OF THAT CALENDAR YEAR.

SO THIS GIVES THEM PRIORITY OTHER OVER OTHER CRUISE LINES.

AND THE REASON WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE THEM THIS PRIORITY IS BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOMESTICALLY FLAGGED BECAUSE THEY, THEY CHECK THOSE BOXES THAT THE COMMUNITY OUTLINED WERE, WERE REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, OF, UM, SUSTAINABLE AND, AND, AND APPROPRIATE SIZED TOURISM.

BUT PRACTICALLY, HOW DOES THAT WORK IF ANOTHER CRUISE LINE BOOKS A GIVEN WEEK AND THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE COMES IN AND SAYS WE WANT TO BE THERE THAT WEEK? THEY GET FIRST PRIORITY.

THEY GET PRIORITY.

SO IN JANUARY, BECAUSE THEY'VE MADE THAT COMMITMENT ABOVE WHAT OUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL RATE WOULD BE.

AND THE OTHER CRUISE LINE WILL HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY COULD GET BUMPED.

NOW DOES THAT PUT PUT US INTO, AND AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING WE ALSO HAVE 15 BLOCKOUT DATES THAT WE CAN, WE CAN EXERCISE AS WELL DURING THE SEASON IF, IF WE NEED TO.

SO, OKAY.

AND AGAIN, THE AGREEMENT ONLY GUARANTEES 20 ARRIVALS EACH YEAR.

SO WE GOTTA THINK OF, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S, THEY GET UNLIMITED USE OF THE RIVER WALK LANDING PIERCE.

IT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.

IT GUARANTEES 20.

IS THIS ANNUAL AGREEMENT OR IS THIS FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS? YEP.

IT'S FOR, IT'S A 10 YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND.

SO THE NEXT 10 YEARS, SO DO WE PUT OURSELVES IN A, IN A POSITION WHERE ANOTHER CRUISE LINE SAYS, HEY, WE WANT A PRIORITY DOCKET AGREEMENT AND SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY SET A PRECEDENT, WE WANT THE SAME ONE.

OR, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HAS ANY, ANY OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN OTHER CONTEXTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SET THE SCHEDULE IN JANUARY, RIGHT? UH, BUT NO LATER THAN JANUARY ONE.

YEP.

TYPICALLY, WE, SO YOU HAVE THE SCHEDULE.

WE TYPICALLY, WE SET THEIR VISITATION LATE OCTOBER, LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER OF THE YEAR.

CAL THE CALENDAR THE YEAR BEFORE, SO, YEAH.

SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET, THEY, THEY'LL HAVE THAT PRIORITY TO BE ABLE TO, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YEAH.

MAXIMUM 178 PASSENGERS, THAT 170 PASSENGERS AND 270 FEET IN LENGTH FOR THEIR VESSELS.

UM, OKAY.

MOVING INTO PUBLIC HEARING, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? ALRIGHT.

CNN, I WILL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I WILL MAKE, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR, UM, THIS ORDINANCE.

24 YEAH.

DASH NINE EIGHT.

I MOVE THAT WE, UH, OR YEAH, OUR 24 98.

THAT A GREAT IDEA, IDEA, IDEA.

I MEAN, I LIKE ESTABLISHING THE, THE RELATIONSHIP.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, MEETINGS WITH, UH, I THINK THE PRESIDENT OF THE, OF THE, UH MM-HMM.

OF THE, YES SIR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

CHARLIE ROBERTSON.

SIR, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF IT.

IT SOUNDS, UH, I THINK IT FITS IN VERY WELL AND ADVERTISES, UH, YOUR COUNTY TO THE REST OF THE WORLD AND THE HISTORY.

I LOVE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BRING MORE HISTORY MM-HMM.

, UH, TO, UH, TO CITIZENS.

SO THIS IS GREAT.

I'M, I I'M ALL FOR IT.

VERY GOOD.

I THINK I, I THINK THIS IS A SLAM DUNK.

I MEAN, WE HAD A GREAT, GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

IN FACT, IT'S KIND LIKE BEING IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEBODY FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THEN YOU GO, YOU WANNA GO AND GET MARRIED NOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE .

SO, UM, BUT LIKE, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AND I LIKE THE, I LIKE THE COMMITMENTS AND I LIKE THE, THE ADVERTISEMENT AND GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT YOU.

WAY TO SEE VIRGINIA'S HISTORIC TRIANGLE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

SO, ALRIGHT.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 DASH 98 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A PRIORITY DOCKING AGREEMENT AND LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN CRUISE LINES INCORPORATED FOR THE USE OF COUNTY FACILITIES LOCATED ON THE TPR AT THE RIVER WALK LANDING.

[8. Coastal Seaplanes York River Expansion: Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R24-99 to authorize the County Administrator to enter into an agreement with Sam Riggs and Coastal Seaplanes for the use of the Riverwalk Landing T-Pier for docking and Embarkation and Disembarkation of passengers for charter services. ]

UH, ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, MR. SAM RIGGS AND COASTAL C PLAINS FOR THE USE OF VERBAL LANDING HERE FOR DOCKING END DEMARCATION, UH, PASSENGERS FOR CHARTER SERVICES.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO AGAIN, UM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. SAM RIGG, THE OWNER OF COASTAL SEA PLAINS.

AND THIS WOULD BE TO PROVIDE CHARTERED FLIGHTS AND SIGHTSEEING TOURS THAT ORIGINATE FROM THE RIVER WALK LANDING PIERS.

UM, THIS REALLY REPRESENTS AN A, A, AN ADDITIONAL UNIQUE ATTRACTION, AN AMENITY TO THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT RIVER WALK.

LANE PIERCE.

SO, SO WHERE WE CAN SEE SOME BIT OF, FROM THE PIERCE STANDPOINT, NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY NEAT THING.

IT'S SUPER UNIQUE AND, AND IT'S INTERESTING AND, AND MR. RIGGS CAN SPEAK TO THIS, UH, UH, BEFORE GETTING INTO THIS PROJECT, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE RICH HISTORY THAT SEA PLANES ACTUALLY PLAYED IN VIRGINIA.

UM, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT I SEE FOR THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING

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YOU CAN TAKE, UH, CHARTER A FLIGHT WITH MR. RIGGS AND FLY AROUND, YOU KNOW, WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, YORKTOWN, AND GET THE STORY OF OUR HISTORY BY, BY AIR.

I MEAN, THAT'S SUPER UNIQUE.

SUPER COOL.

AND THEN SAY WE HAVE A MEGA YACHT COMING TO YORKTOWN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTIVELY TARGETED IN A PEER COMMITTEE, I THINK BACK IN 16.

SO TYPICALLY WITH THE MEGA YACHT OWNERS, THEY DON'T TYPICALLY RIDE TO YORKTOWN ON THEIR MEGA YACHT.

THEY HAVE THE MEGA YACHT DELIVERED HERE.

THEY FLY INTO PATCH HENRY OR NORFOLK, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE A CAR OVER HERE.

MR. RIGGS OPERATION CAN PICK THEM UP FROM THE AIRPORT AND DIRECT DELIVER THEM DIRECTLY TO THE YORKTOWN RIVERWALK LANDING.

PIERS PRETTY ANOTHER REALLY, REALLY UNIQUE AND, AND IT MAKES A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THESE MEGA YACHTS AS WELL.

SO, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND, AND WE'VE LEARNED THIS OVER, OVER AGAIN THE LAST TWO YEARS, IS ENGAGEMENT SUPER IMPORTANT.

SO, MR. RIGGS REACHED OUT TO, UH, US IN ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO KINDA OUTLINE THE OPERATION AND THE COMPLIANCE EFFORTS OF, OF HIS OPERATION, WHICH WE FOUND OUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY, ANY REGULATION OR ANY REGULATORY POWER WHEN IT COMES TO SEA PLANES.

WHEN IT'S IN THE AIR, IT'S REGULATED BY THE FAA AND WHEN IT HITS THE WATER, IT'S REGULATED BY THE COAST GUARD.

SO HE WAS, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, AND HIM KNOWING THAT, HE STILL CAME TO ENGAGE US TO, TO, CAN I GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED? WHICH I, WE WE REALLY APPRECIATED.

UH, ANOTHER PORTION OF THE ENGAGEMENT WAS HE MET, MET WITH FIRE LIFE AND SAFETY, TALKED ABOUT HIS OPERATION, AND THEN FROM THAT CONVERSATION IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT A SEA PLANE COULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN AN ASSET FOR OUR FIRE LIFE AND SAFETY.

NUMBER ONE, IF THEY'VE GOTTA GET OUT TO A BOAT IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, IT'S A HECK OF A LOT QUICKER.

SOMETIMES IF SAM'S CLOSE TO THE PIERS, HOP ON THE SEA PLANE HEAD OUT THERE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO CALL A HELICOPTER FROM ELIZABETH CITY IS, WHICH IS WHERE THE CLOSEST COAST GUARD HELICOPTER WOULD BE.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, SOME BONUSES THERE.

GOD FORBID WE GET ANOTHER HURRICANE.

I REMEMBER LAST TIME THERE WAS A HURRICANE IN THIS AREA THAT PEOPLE WERE HAVING TO RENT HELICOPTERS OR OTHER PLANES TO GO ASSESS DAMAGE.

HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH MR. RIGGS KIND OF STREAMLINE, STREAMLINES THAT PROCESS FOR US.

SO BEYOND TALKING TO COUNTY DEPARTMENTS, MR. RIG ALSO HAS DONE MULTIPLE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS.

THE FIRST ONE WAS ON MAY 7TH AT LEGACY MARINE, AND HE KIND OF OUTLINED, UH, THE OPERATION, HAD TONS OF GREAT FEEDBACK AND HAS SINCE, UH, STARTED HIS OPERATION, HIS FIRST OPERATION IN YORK COUNTY AS OUT OF THE LEGACY MARINE WITH THE LANDING AREA ON CHISMAN CREEK.

UM, FROM THERE STARTED HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT EXPANDING TO THE RIVER WALK LANDING PIERS.

AND FROM THERE WE HAD MR. RIGGS OUT AT OUR JUNE 8TH MARKET.

AND AGAIN, JUST HAD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THERE.

SO, JUST TO KINDA WRAP ALL THIS UP, THIS WOULD BE ALLOWING MR. RIGGS TO DO DAILY CHARTERED AND SIGHTSEEING TOURS FROM THE RIVERWALK LANE PIERS.

THE PLANE WOULD NOT BE KEPT AT THE PIERS OVERNIGHT.

IT'S HANGED AT, UH, PATRICK HENRY, UM, AIRPORT.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A FLAT DAILY DOCKAGE RATE.

AND AS WE KIND OF DISCUSSED BEFORE, THIS IS WHERE THE SEA PLANE'S DOCKING LOCATION WOULD BE.

AND I THINK ANOTHER INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS DOCKING LOCATION, IT'S KIND OF AN UNDERUTILIZED LOCATION.

UM, TYPICALLY WE DON'T LIKE TO SIDE TIE BOATS OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT IT, IF THE TIDE GETS GOING, THEY CAN PUSH 'EM SO MUCH 'CAUSE THEY GOT SO MUCH BOAT IN THE WATER, MR. RATES CAN GET OUTTA THERE EASY.

SO I MEAN, REALLY IT'S ACTUALLY MAKING USE OF A UNDERUTILIZED PORTION OF OUR PIER.

SO THAT'S A BONUS FOR US.

AND THEN HERE IS AN, UH, IMAGE OF WHERE THE LANDING AREA WOULD BE FOR THE COASTAL SEA PLANE ON THE YORK RIVER.

AND THEN THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PLANE AT OUR FINGER PIER AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL START WITH, UH, MR. ROY QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, MY CANADIAN IS WILL SHOW.

IS IT A BEAVER OR AN OTTER? YOU CAN COME ON.

YOU CAN COME ON UP.

SAM .

CONTINUING ON SAM RIGGS COASTAL SEA PLAINS HERE.

PLEASURES.

YEAH, SO MY, UH, MY CANADIAN BACKGROUND IS THE TWO AIRPLANES OF CHOICE AND THEY DO ALL THE, ALL THE FLIGHTS INTO THE ARCTIC.

UH, I'VE GOT ABOUT, UH, ABOUT 600 HOURS IN A BEAVER OUTTA SOUTHEAST ALASKA.

WOW.

I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, SO WHAT YOU'VE SAID $25 PER DAY.

WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE GOING RIGHT FOR OUR BOAT STOCK AT THE PIER? SO FOR THE BOAT STOCKING AT THE PIER, TECHNICALLY IF IT'S MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN DOCK TEMPORARILY UP TO FOUR HOURS FOR FREE.

SO FRI FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY FOR UP TO FOUR HOURS IT WOULD BE $5.

SO ANYTHING OVER THAT, WHICH WOULD BE AN OVERNIGHT STAY, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I THINK BE ABOUT TWO DO, IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY.

IT'S AROUND $2.

THIS TOO WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS WAS A LITTLE FOREIGN TO US.

SO IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE KIND OF PRICE WE'RE CHARGING HERE.

IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT.

AND KIND OF HOW WE BUILT

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SO WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE AREAS, THERE'S, THERE'S PORTS OR, OR, OR OR MARINAS THAT KIND OF CATER TO SEAPLANES.

AND WE LOOKED AT, HEY, WHAT WOULD THE TOTAL BE? AND WE SAW ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO $200 A WEEK TO, TO HAVE A COASTAL SEA PLANE THERE OVERNIGHT WHERE MR. RIGGS IS ONLY GONNA BECOME DOING TOUCH AND GOS AND PICKING UP PASSENGERS.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

SECOND QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON RECREATIONAL BOATERS? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING OFF AND LANDING, YOU'RE TYING UP A SECTION OF WATER BOAT, TYPICALLY PULL AWAY FROM THE PIER AND WANT TO GO ACROSS THE GLOUCESTER OR UP THE RIVER OR OVER TO THE CHESAPEAKE.

HOW, HOW ARE THEY IMPACTED? HAVE YOU TESTED WITH THEM WHETHER OR NOT, UH, RECREATIONAL BOATERS IN NEW YORKTOWN WOULD, UM, WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS? I I CAN TAKE THAT ONE.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I CAN ADD ON TO IT TOO.

AFTER.

GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD SAM.

SO PART OF OUR OPERATIONS OFF THE YORK RIVER IS SAME AS OUR OPERATIONS OFF THE ELIZABETH RIVER IN, UH, DOWNTOWN NORFOLK AND PORTSMOUTH.

UH, WHICH INCLUDES AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

UH, WE HAVE DOVE INTO THAT AND, UH, DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK WITH THEM.

WE TOOK A, A BIG MEETING A MONTH AND A HALF AGO WITH, UH, THE UNITED STATES NAVY, THE COAST GUARD ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND ALL THE MARITIME JUGGERNAUTS THAT FREQUENT THE YORK RIVER AND, UH, THE ELIZABETH RIVER.

WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED THROUGH THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, UH, IS THE SAME WAY IT IS, UM, IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF, OF THE WORLD, IS THAT SEA PLANES, WHEN WE'RE ON THE WATER, WE ARE A BOAT AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO THE WATER.

UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GONNA GO BOMBING IN AND OUTTA THE AIR, FALLING OUTTA THE SKY, YOU KNOW, UH, AS YOUR TIME FLYING IN FLOAT PLANES.

THAT THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT GOES.

WE HAVE THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW.

WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.

SO WE CIRCLE, WE WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A CLEAR PATH TO LAND.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE OPERATE, UH, VERY COURTEOUSLY, UH, BUT ALSO WE HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WHEN WE'RE ON THE WATER, UM, YOU, WE OPERATE BY THE US COAST GUARD RULES OF THE ROAD, BUT WE ALSO WILL STEER CLEAR OF EVERYONE.

SO THAT MEANS IF THERE IS A BOAT PULLING OUTTA THE HARBOR, WE'RE GONNA KNOW WE'RE GONNA SEE IT.

I CAN GO AROUND, I CAN LAND SHORT, LAND LONG, WHEREVER I NEED TO GO.

UM, AND THEN ONCE YOU COME OFF THE STEP, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO STOP THAT SEAPLANE IN 300 FEET OR LESS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS HE'S PULLING OUT, SLOWING DOWN, COME BEHIND HIM, OBVIOUSLY IF HE'S COMING IN FROM THE RIGHT, HE HAS A RIGHT OF WAY.

ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN TESTED.

WE HAVE CONDUCTED OPERATIONAL TESTING IN THIS AREA.

UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS IS THE, THE BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, DO, DO WE TAKE OFF OVER AND UNDER THE BRIDGE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

WE DON'T LAND OVER THE BRIDGE.

WE DON'T LAND UNDER THE BRIDGE.

WE CAN TAKE OFF AND LAND FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN WIND CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WATER YOU FIND ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.

BUT, UH, YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT AND PROCESS THAT'S GONE INTO THIS.

AND IT WILL BE PERMITTED BY THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH YORK COUNTY.

AND THEN AS FAR AS TO TOUCH ON, HEY, WHAT A RECORD RE RECREATIONAL VOTER SAYING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BOTH OF OUR CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS, ONE TOOK PLACE AT A MARINA WHERE IT CATERS SOLELY TO RECREATIONAL BOATERS AND THE OTHER ONE HAPPENED DOWN IN FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE RIVERWALK LANDING PIERS.

SO IN, IN BOTH INSTANCES, WE HAD, UM, RECREATIONAL BOATERS THAT WE WERE INTERACTING WITH, THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL IDEA, HAD HAD GREAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

SO THANK YOU.

THANKS MR. I GOT LOTS, MAN.

I LOVE FLYING.

SO AWESOME.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE LOOKING DAPPER THERE.

I I NEED TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE JACKETS, SIR.

AND BOW TIE LIKE THAT.

UH, DO YOU HAPPEN TO LIVE OFF OF CHISMAN CREEK? NO, SIR, I DON'T LIVE THERE.

WE LIVE IN, IN NEWPORT NEWS THERE BY THE MARINERS MUSEUM.

BUT YOU'VE COME THROUGH CHISMAN CREEK? UH, YES SIR.

WE, WE'VE, UH, LANDED AND AND TAKEN OFF OUT THERE A LOT.

'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT OFF MY BACK DOOR, SO I GET TO SEE YOU.

YOU'VE SEEN US.

I, I SEE YOU ALL THE TIME.

AND EVERY TIME MY LITTLE GRANDSON RUNS TO SEE THE PLANE , SO, UH, HELLO.

AND I TOLD MY WIFE THE OTHER DAY, I SAID, HE'S COMING.

YOU CAN HEAR HIM COMING.

SO, UH, NOW I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, MAN.

WHAT A GREAT ENTREPRENEUR.

AND YOU PUT YOUR HOURS IN AND, UH, I JUST THINK THIS IS A GLO HAND IN GLOVE FIT FOR THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINES WANTING TO DO THAT.

WHO KNOWS.

I MIGHT TAKE THAT TRIP.

I'D LIKE TO GO SEE ALL THREE OF THOSE PLACES.

JAMESTOWN.

PLEASE DO.

WE OFFER CHARTER FROM, FROM YORKTOWN ALL THE WAY TO ANNAPOLIS AND AS FAR SOUTH AS OKRACOKE.

THAT'S AWESOME.

SO WE SERVICE ALL THE OUTER BANKS AND CONNECT YORKTOWN WITH ALL THOSE PLACES.

CERTAIN PERIODS OF PASSENGERS TIME DURING THE DAY, OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA GOTTA BE THERE DURING THE NIGHT, BUT DURING THE DAY YOU JUST, YOU JUST COME DOWN AND PARK YOUR BOAT THERE AND WAIT TO SEE IF A CUSTOMER COMES UP AND SAYS, HEY, LOOK, I'D, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A FLIGHT, OR, HOW'S THAT WORK? SO IF HE'S WILLING TO PAY THE DAILY RATE, HE'S, HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO SO.

I LOVE IT.

GREAT IDEA, MAN.

I WISH I WAS PART OF THAT .

GOOD IDEA.

THANK YOU MR. SHEPHERD.

SO, UM, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONS HERE.

SO, UM, SO PEOPLE COME DOWN TO, UH, WOULD, WOULD THIS, UH, UH, OPERATION OCCUR WHEN THERE'S A, UH, A CRUISE LINE THERE? IT, IT ABSOLUTELY COULD.

SO REALLY, REALLY HOW WE APPROACH THIS AGREEMENT IS IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT FROM, SAY, ONE OF OUR SITE SIGHTSEEING CHARTERS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAD AGREEMENTS WITH, OR A FISHING CHARTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AGAIN, HE'S FULLY CAPABLE OF SERVICING PASSENGERS AND DOING CHARTERS WHEN WE HAVE A CRUISE SHIP.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK EVEN CARSON AND I SPOKE, THERE WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CRUISE SHIP PASSENGERS.

THIS WOULD BE A REALLY, REALLY COOL, UNIQUE, UM, ATTRACTION FOR THEM.

SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH THERE, A CRUISE SHIP BIN.

SO, OKAY.

SO DURING

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SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT DAILY RATE.

WHAT, SO HE COMES UP AND PARKS A BOAT.

I MEAN, PARKS A BOAT.

BOATS.

IT'S A BOAT NOW, BUT HE PARKS IT.

SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S IT? UH, SO WHAT'S THE DAILY RATE NOW? WHAT'S HE GONNA IT'S $25 PER DAY.

AND THEN HOW MUCH DO YOU CHARGE FOR FLIGHT? IT DEPENDS.

I WANNA SEE, SEE THE BATTLEFIELD.

YEAH, I CAN TALK YOU THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AS WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT RATE.

THE CHARTER RATE IS $800 PER OPERATIONAL HOUR.

UH, $400, UH, FOR EMPTY LEGS.

UH, WHICH MEANS IF YOU WANNA FLY FROM HERE TO CAPE CHARLES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A TOTAL OF 30 MINUTES OF FLIGHT TIME.

WHICH WOULD BE $400.

UH, THERE AND BACK, UH, WITH THE EMPTY LEG, YOU KNOW, BEING HALF THE PRICE.

SO $300 COMES DOWN TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER PERSON.

IF YOU WANT TO GO FROM HERE TO CAPE CHARLES.

NOW THAT'S FOR CHARTERS.

YOU CAN TAKE A 15 MINUTE, UH, FLIGHT C TWO ANYWHERE FOR 10 TO 15 MINUTES, $25 A PERSON.

SO, UH, YOU CAN GET ON A SEAPLANE FOR 25 BUCKS.

WHO WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.

I MEAN, HOW IS THIS, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME DOWN HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THE CRUISE LINE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THE AIRPLANE.

UM, AND THEN HOW DO WE SUPPORT THEIR, THEIR BUSINESSES? I MEAN, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T TAKE ON NEW PASSENGERS AT THE, AT THE DOCK.

DO YOU? DO YOU EMBARK AND, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S INTERESTING THOUGH.

IT'S, IT'S AN, IT'S A MARKETING OPPORTUNITY.

MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN NEW YORK COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUPPORT 'EM IN ANY, ANY WAY WE COULD.

AND SPECIFICALLY WITH VISIT YORKTOWN, JUST LIKE ANY OF THE ATTRACTIONS HERE IN HISTORIC YORKTOWN, WE'RE GONNA CELEBRATE 'EM SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING AS UNIQUE AS THIS.

SO I THINK BEYOND THE $25 A DAY THAT WE WOULD GET FROM MR. R'S OPERATION, I THINK THERE'S REAL INTRINSIC VALUE THERE.

AND HAVING SOMETHING UNIQUE LIKE THIS, SOMEBODY MAY COME TO YORKTOWN JUST BECAUSE OF THIS, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO TO A RESTAURANT AND HAVE SOMETHING TO GET SOME GAS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

OR STAY THE NIGHT ADVENTURE.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S KIND LIKE WHEN THE ALLIANCE WAS HERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD GO DOWN THERE AND GET ON THE ALLIANCE AND BUZZ AROUND THE, THE CHESAPEAKE HERE A LITTLE BIT AND THEN COME BACK.

AND SO, UH, I, THAT'S HOW I SEE IT OPERATE.

I JUST, BUT I JUST KIND OF PICTURING THIS, THE, THE PLANE, THE, THE SHIP, YOU KNOW, PA PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME WATCHING.

IT'S GONNA BE A REAL ADVENTURE DOWN.

I THINK IT'D BE KINDA EXCITING TO SEE THIS.

THAT GREAT.

HOW MANY SEATS? UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEATING FOR THREE PASSENGERS.

WE ARE, UH, GETTING CLEARED TO PUT IN A FOURTH.

IT DOES HAVE THE SPOT FOR A FOURTH.

UM, BUT GENERALLY WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR PASSENGERS IN YOU, YOU'RE A LITTLE WEIGHT LIMITED WITH THE FLOATS.

UH, AS WE GROW AS A COMPANY, WE WILL, WE WILL EXPAND INTO LARGER AIRCRAFT, PROBABLY A BEAVER.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'LL BE, BEING THE VERY FIRST COMMERCIAL SEAPLANE OPERATOR ON THE VIRGINIA COAST, IT'S A VERY MONUMENTAL, YOU KNOW, MOMENT FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.

UH, BUT WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO JUST, UH, CATER TO YORKTOWN AND YORK COUNTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, WHAT WE HAVE, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START.

SO THREE SEATS FOR NOW, THEN A FOURTH, AND THEN, AND THEN UP TO SIX OR SEVEN PEOPLE AFTER THAT.

I LOVE ADDITIONAL PLANE.

I IT.

GREAT.

SO UNIQUE EXPERIENCE, UNIQUE BUSINESS.

APPRECIATE YOU CHOOSING NEW YORK COUNTY TO, TO BRING IT TO, AND THAT SHOULD DRIVE A LOT OF BUZZ DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.

BUT LEMME ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS, SO SURE.

EVERY BOAT THAT COMES TO THE PIER, IT'S PROPS IN THE WATER, YOUR PROP'S UP IN THE AIR.

SO WHAT CONTROLS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE ON THE PIER TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY DOESN'T ACTUALLY GET PROP STRUCK? UM, WHAT CONTROLS WE HAVE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE OUR PERSONNEL WHO TIE THE TIES THE PLANE UP KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE DON'T WANT ANY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DEAL.

WE DON'T WANT ANY, YOU KNOW, INJURIES DOWN THERE.

WHATEVER ENERGY YOU HAVE TO TIME IT TO WHERE YOU COME UP TO THE DOCK WITH ENOUGH SPEED WHERE YOU'RE GONNA REACH IT, ESPECIALLY IN A TIDAL AREA WHERE THERE'S TIDE FLOWING.

AND FROM AN OP OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT OF THE PEERS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, WHEN MR. RIGG WANTS TO COME IN, HE CONTACTS THE DOCK MASTER OFFICE, EITHER BY PHONE OR BY VHF RADIO.

SO WE HAVE AWARENESS AND WE CAN CLEAR THE AREA TO BEGIN WITH.

UM, AS FAR AS FROM THE, THE PLANE'S PERSPECTIVE, I'LL LET MR. RIGG SPEAK TO THAT.

SO WE WE'RE AN FAA CERTIFIED PART, 1 35 OPERATOR AIR CARRIER ACTUALLY, UH, WHICH ALLOWS US TO FLY ACROSS STATE LINES, FLY MAIL, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

UM, TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION TOOK THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

UM, IT WAS EXCRUCIATING, BUT IT, I LEARNED A LOT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

UM, I WAS ALREADY A VERY ATTENTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SAFE PILOT.

BECOMING A CERTIFIED, UH, 1 35 OPERATOR MEANS THAT YOU PUT IN ALL KINDS OF CONTROLS, ALL KINDS OF POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.

BUT WHAT, WHAT GOOD IS A POLICY AND PROCEDURE IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROLS IN PLACE TO ENACT IT? SO SOME OF THE CONTROLS THAT WE HAVE IS THAT ALL OF THE DOCK CREW THAT HANDLE THE PLANE ARE TRAINED, ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A TRAINING DAY, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A TRAINING DAY.

WE'RE GOING TO, UH, CONTINUE TO DO RECURRENT TRAINING WITH THEM, PROBABLY EITHER QUARTERLY OR JUST SEASONALLY.

SO WHATEVER WE FIND WORKS THE BEST.

UM, BUT WITH A SEAPLANE, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SEAPLANE DOCKING, WHEN YOU'RE APPROACHING A DOCK, YOU SHUT THE ENGINE OFF YOU COAST TO THE PLANE.

YOU DON'T APPROACH THE DOCK UNDER POWER.

UM, THAT IS JUST SEAPLANE DOCKING 1 0 1.

YOU WANT TO ARREST THAT MOVEMENT AND YOU WANT TO UTILIZE

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UM, WHEN WE'RE DEPARTING THE DOCK, WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY PASSENGERS ON THE DOCK OR ANY PERSONNEL ON THE DOCK WHO ARE NOT A PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE COMPANY OR THE DOCKING, UH, PERSONNEL.

SO EVERYBODY WHO'S GONNA BE AROUND THE DOCK'S GONNA BE INSIDE THE PLANE THAT DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO, SO, SO YOUR PROP ISN'T SPINNING WHEN YOU'RE COMING UP TO THE DOCK.

UH, SO WE'LL CUT THE PROP, UH, 20 TO 30 FEET OUT, WE'LL SHUT THE ENGINE OFF AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CUT THE FUEL, TURN THE, THE MAGS OFF.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TURN THE, THE POWER OFF TO THE PLANE.

SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF DEAD IN THE WATER.

AND I GOT WATER RUDDERS THAT I STEER IT TO THE DOCK WITH.

AND WE MANAGE THE, WE MANAGE THE ENERGY THAT WE HAVE TO THE DOCK.

YOU MAY SEE US SOMETIMES IF WE'RE COMING INTO A HEAD TIDE WHERE WE KIND OF FALL A LITTLE BIT SHORT, I'LL WAIT UNTIL I GET IT BACK, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 FEET, CRANK IT BACK UP AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY IT AGAIN.

GOTCHA.

UH, THAT'S JUST SORT OF, SEE PLANE OPS, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

BUT THE FIRST THING THAT YOU DO IS, AS A PILOT, UH, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR PILOT'S LICENSE, FIRST DAY YOU GET AN AIRPLANE WITH THE INSTRUCTOR.

HE TEACHES YOU HOW TO YELL, CLEAR PROP OUT THE WINDOW.

SO YOU'RE MAKING SURE YOU'RE CLEARING THE PROP.

THERE'S NOBODY ON YOUR SIDE CLEAR PROP.

GO AHEAD AND START THE PLANE.

SO WHO'S OPERATING THE DOCK OPERATIONS WHEN HE IS COMING IN? OUR PERSONNEL.

DO YOU HAVE PERSONNEL? UH, YEAH.

UH, IT, IT WOULD BE OUR PERSONNEL, OUR TRAINED PERSONNEL.

SO, SO IF THERE'S ANY, WE HAVE ANY RECREATIONAL BOATERS IN THE AREA ON THE DOCK, YOU KNOW, THEIR BOAT, THEY WE'RE GONNA SHOO THEM AWAY UNTIL THE, AGAIN, MR. RIGGS IS GONNA CONTACT THE DOCKS AND FOR, FOR GUIDANCE, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY VESSEL THAT'S COMING IN, CONTACT THE DOCK, WE'LL GIVE YOU GUIDANCE.

IF IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO COME IN, IF WE'RE ALREADY DOCKING SOMEBODY ELSE, HE'LL DO A LAP IN THE RIVER OR WHATEVER HE HAS TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK IT OUT.

SO IT'S ORGANIZED AND IT'S SAFE, SO.

WE HAVE A VHF RADIO, SPECIAL RADIO.

SO YOU, SO YOU'VE, UH, YOU'VE BEEN FLYING IN THAT OUT CHISEL CREEK.

YES SIR.

HOW MUCH HAVE YOU FLOWN AT THIS AREA IN FRONT OF THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT LAND? LAND LANDED THERE? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE BEEN OUT HERE AND DOCKED OH, FIVE OR SIX TIMES BY NOW.

UH, NONE OF IT COMMERCIALLY.

WE'VE NOT, WE'VE ALL JUST KIND OF BEEN JUST GATHERING, UH, INTEREST AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, OUR OPERATIONS AT, AT THE, THE RIVERWALK LANDING ARE, ARE MORE LIMITED THAN, THAN CHISMAN CREEK, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX TIMES NOW.

AND JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TYPICAL ACTIVITY WITH BOATERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WITH PERSONAL WATER CRAFTS OUT THERE ON THE WATER.

AND THEY'RE ZIPPING AROUND ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND I THINK THE LAST THING THEY'RE DOING IS LOOKING UP FOR A PLANE TO COME LAND IN IT.

I KNOW YOU GOT THE BIRD'S EYES VIEW, BUT RIGHT.

THEY CAN GET IN YOUR WAY REAL QUICK.

UH, YEAH.

YOU DON'T WANT EVER WANNA LAND BEHIND, UH, PERSONAL WATERCRAFT.

THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE MOSQUITOES.

THEY'RE JUST DRAWN TO THE, THE NEAREST THING.

SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN YOU GET ON THE WATER ESPECIALLY, THEY'LL COME AND WANT TO JUMP YOUR WAKE AND GET CLOSE TO YOU AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO TEACH PEOPLE ABOUT SEA PLANES.

WE WANT YOU TO KNOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ABOUT 'EM.

PLACES LIKE ALASKA, PACIFIC NORTHWEST, UH, MIAMI, NEW YORK SEA PLANES ARE AN EVERYDAY DEAL THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT 'EM.

UH, BEING THIS FIRST COMMERCIAL SEAPLANE OPERATOR ON THE VIRGINIA COAST, WE KNOW THAT IT'S OUR BURDEN TO TEACH THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE DO, HOW TO OPERATE AROUND US.

WE ALREADY KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA ACT AROUND THEM.

UH, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE.

SO WE MAY COME UP HERE IN A, ON A DAY AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA RUN TOURS TODAY.

WE GET HERE, IT'S A MADHOUSE.

I'M NOT COMING.

I'LL JUST RATE YOU AND SAY, HEY, IT'S LOOKING A LITTLE BUSY.

ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT IS WHEN THE WATER GETS REAL BIG OUT HERE, WE CAN'T REALLY OPERATE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, APPROACHING TWO FOOT ON THE WAVES, UH, DEPENDING ON THE PERIOD OF THE SWELL.

IT'S NOT OPERABLE FOR A SEAPLANE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL UTILIZE IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

THIS IS, I WOULD SAY, MORE OF A TRIAL SEASON FOR US HERE.

UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL AND I DO THINK WE CAN SAFELY OPERATE OUT THERE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF WHY SAM'S, YOU KNOW, THIS, HE'S NOT PUTTING ALL HIS EGGS IN ONE BASKET.

HE'S IDENTIFYING, IDENTIFYING DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, DIFFERENT WEATHER CONDITIONS TO STILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE THIS SERVICE.

SO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE AREA.

SO, LA LAST QUESTION.

YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR MAYBE UTILIZING MR. RIGGS AND HIS AIRCRAFT TO GO TO AN ISSUE OUT, OUT IN THE BAY.

IS THAT A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT, FORMAL AGREEMENT? IS THAT A, THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN FIRE LIFE AND SAFETY? I, I'M NOT SURE.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IDENTIFIED WHEN WE MET WITH THEM.

YEAH, WE'RE FULL CHARTER AIRCRAFT.

WE'RE NOT A MEDEVAC, SO WE DO NOT FLY MEDEVAC.

IF YOU'RE AMBULATORY AND YOU GOT SOMETHING GOING ON, WE CAN FLY AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT NEED AN AMBULANCE.

UH, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE PILOT COMMAND.

AND THEN, UM, BUT WE CAN AID AND ASSIST AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY LIKE A HURRICANE, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE PERMITTED TO HELP IN THOSE SCENARIOS.

AND ESPECIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED TO HELP WITH EMS AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.

UM, MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARING.

NOBODY SIGNED UP.

ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? NOW I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I ASK FOR A MOTION FOR R 24 DASH 99.

I MAKE MOTION R 24 99.

ALL THANK ADOPTED.

IT'S CERTAINLY DIFFERENT.

SO LET'S GO TO BOARD OF COMMENTS MR. SHEPHERD.

WE'LL START WITH YOU.

NONE.

ALRIGHT, MR. DREWRY.

LOVE IT.

ALL RIGHT, MRS. NOLL.

YES, MA'AM.

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AND MR. ROY, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WAYNE'S COMMENT.

YEAH, , UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A TRIAL AND ERROR ON, UH, HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT IS THIS ON BOATERS AND AS YOU SAID, PERSONAL WATERCRAFT, THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME AS WELL.

'CAUSE THEY ZIP AROUND OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

AND AS YOU SAID, EDUCATION OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC IS, IS A KEY COMPONENT OF THIS.

OVERALL.

I'M, I'M PLEASED WITH THIS.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT, A GREAT ADD TO THE YORKTOWN AREA.

I'LL, I'LL ADD TO THAT DOUG TOO.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU A VOTER, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH STEPS TO, TO BE THERE AS WELL.

AND SO, UH, I'VE, I'VE BEEN ON BOATS ALL MY LIFE AND MOST PEOPLE WITH BOATS ARE RESPECTIVE OF AN AIRPLANE COMING DOWN.

, IF THEY DON'T SEE IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT I THINK THE ONES YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ARE THE, THE, UH, JET SKIS.

THE JET SKIS, THEY'RE FAST.

SOME OF 'EM ARE 40, 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE YOUR BIGGEST THREAT.

BUT A REGULAR BOAT SEES THE, THE SEA PLANE COMING IN, THEY'RE GONNA STAY AWAY FROM 'EM BECAUSE THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND PHYSICS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 54 MILES AN HOUR.

WHO HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY? THAT'S RIGHT.

WHOEVER'S ON THE RIGHT.

WELL, I MEAN, ONCE YOU GET ON THE WATER, IT IS REGULAR BOATING RULES.

SO YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

UM, OKAY.

SO YEAH.

SO AGAIN, UNIQUE, UM, BUSINESS, UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.

BRING IT HERE.

I'M GLAD, GLAD THEY COMING HERE.

JUST, UM, IT'S A NEW EXPERIENCE TO EVERYBODY RIGHT HERE.

SO WORK WITH US.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW EXPECT TO SEE A PLANE TO SUDDENLY DROP OUTTA THE SKY.

RIGHT IN FRONT OF 'EM.

IF THEY'RE ON, ON A, WELL, LET'S NOT SAY DROP OUT OF THE SKY.

LET'S JUST SAY LAND.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD DOWN.

THAT'S NOT GIVEN THAT TO, UH, A PILOT KNOW.

WE KNOW WHERE YEAH.

WHAT DID THAT BOAT IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH.

NINE OR ORDINANCE 24 DASH 15.

SO LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. DREWRY IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 24 99 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH SAM RIGGS IN COASTAL SEA PLAINS FOR THE USE OF RIVERWALK LANDING T PT PR FOR DOCKING AND EMBARKATION AND DISIN EMBARKATION OF PASSENGERS FOR CHARTER SERVICES.

[9. Authorization of Salaries – Board of Supervisors: Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 24-15 to establish the salaries of members of the York County Board of Supervisors effective July 1, 2024.]

ESTABLISH THE SALARIES OF MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, EFFECTIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

UH, MR. MR. BELLAMY GOT SOMETHING TO SHARE? SURE.

, UM, THE WAY THAT ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN WHEN WE TOOK CARE OF IT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

, THAT THAT ORDINANCE DID NOT CONTINUE THE SALARY THAT YOU HAD AT PRESENT.

IT WAS FOR A RAISE.

AND SINCE YOU VOTED NO, THAT LEFT YOU WITH NOTHING.

SO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT.

RIGHT? OKAY.

SORRY.

THIS IS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT HOUSE CLEAN IN HERE, OKAY? YES, SIR.

UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. BELLAMY? I KNEW WE WORKED FOR PEANUTS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ZERO.

NO, ME NEITHER.

I THINK IT'S A PEANUT SHELLS NOW, RIGHT? ALL, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

UM, PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK AND EVERYBODY SIGN UP? ALL RIGHT.

GONNA GET A MOTION PLEASE.

SO MOVE.

ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ANY COMMENTS? ALL HEARING NONE? UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 15 TO ESTABLISH THE SALARIES OF THE MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ITEMS, UH, TONIGHT.

UM, APPROVAL OF MINUTES, BILL OF FUNDS BOULEVARD, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IMPROVEMENT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL BOARD POLICY, UH, SMALL SCALE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, APPLICATION ENDORSEMENT, CONTRACT FOR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, PURCHASE RESOLUTION FOR COUNTY STAFFING STUDY AND EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER RECOGNITION.

IS THERE ANY ITEM HERE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE TO DISCUSS? UM, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY ITEMS HERE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PULL TO BE VOTED ON AND DISCUSS SEPARATELY? I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS MM-HMM? .

WELL, AND I, I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED 13, SO JUST NUMBER 12.

UM, JUST WANNA CHAT ABOUT IT OR YOU WANNA PULL IT AND HAVE IT VOTED ON SEPARATELY? UH, UH, JUST CHAT ABOUT IT.

SO 12.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT NUMBER 12.

THE CH WELL, 15, I WANNA CHAT ABOUT THAT.

AND 15.

THAT IT IS IN THERE AND I'M STILL SEARCHING FOR IT.

ALL I HAD ASKED FOR DURING OUR WORK SESSION TO HAVE A LIMIT OF ONE STR PER OWNER WITHIN YORK COUNTY.

AND I HAD ASKED FOR A LIMIT OF ONE STR PER OWNER WITHIN YORK COUNTY.

AND, UM, CAITLYN HAD COME BACK TO ME AND SAID

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COULD YOU HELP ME? I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR WHAT YOU WERE SAYING DOWN THERE.

IN OUR, IN OUR WORK SESSION, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THESE GUIDELINES, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT I HAD ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS A LIMIT OF ONE STR PER OWNER, UH, WITHIN YORK COUNTY.

AND I'D ASKED FOR THAT TO BE IN HERE AND I MAY HAVE JUST MISSED IT, BUT I'M NO PROBLEM.

SO YOU'LL SEE IN THE PROPOSED BOARD POLICY THAT WAS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA AND IN THE PACKET, UM, YOU'RE GONNA GO TO SECTION THREE SHORT-TERM RENTAL GUIDELINES AND THAT'S GONNA BE BULLET D UM, THAT READS AS WRITTEN IN THE PROPOSED, A PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE LIMITED TO OPERATING ONE TOURIST HOME WITHIN YORK COUNTY.

OWNERS OF TOURIST HOMES LOCATED WITHIN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY ZONING DISTRICT WILL BE EXEMPT FROM THIS LIMITATION.

OKAY, MR. I THINK YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ITEM 15? YEAH.

15.

SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTY STAFFING, UM, PROCUREMENT AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATOR PROCURING THIS.

UH, I DO THINK IT, IN MY MIND IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD OVERSEE THIS COMPANY.

I THINK IT SHOULD FALL ON THE BOARD TO OVERSEE THAT.

UM, I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S PROPER PROCEDURE AND HOW THESE COMPANIES WORK.

IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS WORLD THAT THEY COME IN AND ASK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT? AND THEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS.

AND I'M NOT SAYING MARK'S NOT A TRUSTWORTHY GUY.

I THINK THE OPTICS DON'T LOOK RIGHT.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE THAT WAY.

WELL THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE DONE THAT RIGHT.

THAT WAY.

SO YOU EVER HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH IT? ANYWAY, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.

UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY, IF IT IS BERKELEY SHOULD REPORT THERE TO THE BOARD OR SOMEONE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD.

WE WE'RE, IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THE EXPERTS, WE'RE NOT THE ONES WHO DEAL WITH IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS ALWAYS DEALT WITH AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES ON IT, AND I DON'T SEE WHERE WE ARE MORE, WE HAVE MORE ABILITY TO APPROVE A COMPANY THAN HE DOES.

I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT APPROVING A COMPANY.

I SAID REPORTING TO US.

SO THE, THE ORDINANCE TONIGHT BEFORE US IS SIMPLY THE PROCUREMENT.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FOLLOW UP POST PROCUREMENT, HOW WE, HOW YOU YES.

HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT, HOW YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO BE ADMINISTERED.

BUT TONIGHT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP OKAY.

IN THE SESSION TONIGHT.

I GOTCHA.

UNDERSTOOD.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HIM SECURING THE COMPANY.

ANY, ANY OTHER ITEMS? ANYBODY? I, UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, MARK, WE ALREADY HAVE A PROCURED COMPANY FOR THIS.

UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW FOR US, US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING, UH, TO DO THIS WITH THE BERKELEY GROUP.

UH, MS. UH, MS. MCKENNEY, OUR HR DIRECTOR WAS INVOLVED IN THIS AND IF YOU LIKE, SHE COULD COME TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

NO, I JUST, THAT WAS JUST IN, I I, FOR SOME REASON I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD ALREADY ACQUIRED THE, UH, THE COMPANY.

UM, IT'S AS FAR, IT'S IT JUST AS A COMMENT, UH, TO, UM, WHAT WAYNE'S TALKING ABOUT.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SITTING AT THE TOP OF THE COMPANY, WHICH YOU ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT WE HIRED TO MANAGE ALL THE, THE EMPLOYEES.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GOT THE RIGHT NUMBER BASED ON SOME PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, FOR US, WE'LL JUST KNOW STUFF, BUT FOR YOU, IT'S HOW YOU'RE GONNA MANAGE YOU.

YOU'RE, YOU COME TO US WITH MANPOWER POSITION RIGHT NOW.

YOU'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL THE, ALL THE, ALL THE ADMINISTRATORS HAVE DONE THIS OVER THE YEARS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

NEIL DID IT, MAC DID IT, YOU'RE DOING IT NOW.

IS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE A MANPOWER POSITION SOMETIMES YOU KEEP 'EM OPEN.

UH, I MEAN WE'VE TAKEN, FOR EXAMPLE, DURING LEAN TIMES WHEN INSTEAD OF LAYING PEOPLE OFF, WE'VE JUST NOT FILLED POSITIONS.

AND SO WE'VE MANAGED YOU, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS TO MEET THE POLICY GUIDELINES OF THE COUNTY.

IS THAT CORRECT? I AM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT'S LAID OUT, UH, FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO I MEAN, I I LOOK AT THIS AS A, AS A TOOL FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED TO GET THINGS DONE.

NOT FOR US, BECAUSE WE SET THE POLICY OF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT DONE.

YOU'VE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

SO CERTAINLY THIS IS ALLOWED,

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UM, IT, IT'S IN WRITING TALKS ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF THE STAFF.

THAT'S, UH, I I THINK IT FALLS WELL WITHIN THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. DRURY'S COMING FROM TO SOME EXTENT AND MAYBE TO HELP HIM WITH THAT.

I, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BRING THE COMPANY IN, HAVE THEM DO A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

YOU COULD ASK ANY QUESTION OF THEM THAT YOU CHOSE TO, YOU COULD SHARE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION MIGHT BE.

WE COULD DO SOME KIND OF MIDTERM REVIEW WHERE THEY'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I COULD HAVE 'EM COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT IN A WORK SESSION WHEN THEY FINISHED, THEY COULD PRESENT THE FINDINGS TO YOU.

UM, WE, WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IF THAT, IF THAT HELPED YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.

THAT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, MORE CONSIDERABLE TO THAT.

AND I, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF EXPECT IS THAT THEY WOULD COME IN, SINCE WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS, THEY COME IN PUBLICLY GIVE US A SUMMARY OF A SUMMATION, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, OF THE, UH, WHAT THEY FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD COME IN AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE, YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR IT BECAUSE WE NEED MORE FIREFIGHTERS.

HE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF, HE'S GONNA TELL YOU THE SAME THING.

AND I THINK THERE WAS AN OPTION, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, TO LOOK AT THE CLERK OF THE COURT, THERE IS THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

THERE IS.

AND THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE A BAD IDEA.

I DON'T, I DON'T HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT COST? I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT.

SO I, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO, WE DON'T DO THIS A LOT.

WE, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE DONE IT MAYBE TWICE BEFORE THAT I CAN RECALL.

UM, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS INTERESTING AND, AND IN THE END THOUGH, IT JUST GAVE US A FEELING FOR WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET READY TO COME BACK WITH, UH, NEXT YEAR BUDGET OR WHATEVER, AND YOU SAY YOU NEED THIS AND THAT, IT JUST GIVES A LITTLE MORE VALIDATION TO THAT.

, UH, I DON'T, I I MEAN I I AND ALL THE TIME HERE, I JUST NEVER SEE A, A DEEP VALUE IN, IN, YOU KNOW, FLUFFING UP THE, THE BIG STAFF BECAUSE, AND IN TERMS OF NUMBER, BECAUSE IN THE END IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA DEAL WITH TAXES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT GIVES THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND YOU'VE SEEN WHAT IT IS.

UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, I YEAH, I, MY EXPECTATION, YEAH, YOU COME, SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME UP HERE AND GIVE US A SUMMATION OF ALL THE RESULTS AND, AND, AND THEY MAY EVEN COME UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

I, I WOULD IMAGINE, I WOULD ENVISION AND, AND ROSE, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THIS, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND COME UP.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN THEY COME TO YOU, UH, AND WHEN THEY COME TO THE BOARD AND THE, IN THE FIRST WORK SESSION, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS, WHAT THE PROTOCOLS, THE METHODOLOGY FOR THIS STUDY WILL BE.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTION YOU CHOOSE.

SO IF, IF THAT CAN GET YOU A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT MM-HMM, , I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS.

AND I, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.

AND OF COURSE IT'S BEEN YEARS AND YEARS, I GUESS SINCE YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE, IT HAS.

UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND I'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS IS LEAST TO BE, UH, UP ON WHAT I'M NOT UP ON, UH, IF YOU WILL, MORE OF A LEARNING CURVE AND TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHY THEY'RE DOING IT, HOW THEY'RE DOING IT, THE MATRIX THAT THEY USE TO DO IT.

I KNOW THEY'RE A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY, RIGHT.

BUT IF WE'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY TO GIVE YOU THE GO AHEAD TO GO, OKAY, YOU'RE DOWN THREE PEOPLE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, YOU NEED TO FIX THAT, OR YOU'RE UP TWO PEOPLE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, YOU'VE GOTTA FIX THAT.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE MORE INVOLVED ABOUT ROSE.

DOES THAT UNDERSTAND THAT, THE WAY I DESCRIBED A KICKOFF MEETING? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? DO YOU ENVISION IT ANY OTHER WAY? NO.

SO THAT IS RIGHT ON POINT.

THAT IS TYPICAL FOR WHAT THESE COMPANIES DO.

UM, SO YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD EVENING.

CONTRACTS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

THIS IS VERY NORMAL FOR STAFFING COMPANIES TO DO.

UM, SO WE CAN, AND THEY ARE VERY WELL AWARE THAT WE MAY BRING THEM BEFORE YOU, UM, AND IS CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT.

SO JUST AS MR. BELLAMY DESCRIBED, WE CAN DO 'EM IN THE BEGINNING MIDWAY AT THE END.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHILE ROSE IS UP HERE, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE HER TO JUST SPEND TWO MINUTES AND TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT OF THIS BECAUSE WE DID SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT WITH THIS MM-HMM.

ABOVE AND BEYOND.

SO I, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SURE, SURE.

THAT'LL BE FINE.

AND, AND SOMEWHERE IN THE CONVERSATION, I, I'M CURIOUS LIKE WHAT IS THE DURATION OF THIS EFFORT? YES SIR.

GO AHEAD.

SO DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, PROCUREMENT TO SECURE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS, UM, FOR COMPANIES THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

AND THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE EXPERTS IN.

SO WE LOCATED COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS SO THAT WE COULD PIGGYBACK, QUOTE UNQUOTE OFF COMPANIES, OFF

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SO THAT SAVED US A LOT OF TIME AND NOT HAVING TO GO OUT FOR A BID PROCESS AND AN RFP BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER THE TIME CONSTRAINT OF MEETING YOUR DEADLINE OF OCTOBER FROM THE RETREAT.

SO WE TOOK THREE COMPANIES, UM, WE MET ALL THREE OF THEM.

SO OUR TEAM MET WITH THE THREE COMPANIES AND VETTED AND ASKED QUESTIONS AND LEARNED WHAT THEY COULD DO.

UM, THE THREE COMPANIES DEFINITELY STOOD OUT.

THEY ALL HAD DIFFERENCES THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE FROM HERE TO HERE.

UM, WE LANDED ON THE BERKELEY GROUP NOT ONLY FOR THE COST, BUT ALSO FOR THE PREPAREDNESS AND FOR THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE FOR THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE RIGHT PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

UM, AND SO THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET US TO HERE, 'CAUSE IT IS A PROCESS TO GET THROUGH.

UM, THE BERKELEY GROUP HAS INDICATED THAT THE TIMELINE FOR THEM WOULD BE DECEMBER 31 TO DO IT RIGHT.

AND TO DO AN APPROPRIATE STUDY THAT OCTOBER ONE WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY TIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, MR. BELLA, ME, MR. FULLER AND I, WE'VE ALL CHATTED ABOUT THAT AND IT IS ON POINT TO STILL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THE FINDINGS OF THIS INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR FY 26.

SO GETTING YOUR APPROVAL TO EXTEND IT TO DECEMBER 31 TO COMPLETE, IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE ABILITY TO INCLUDE IT INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS AS YOU ALL DESIRED.

SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE THREE COMPANIES.

UM, CAN YOU SHARE PRICING DIFFERENCES? I SURE CAN.

AS YOU SEE IN THE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR BOARD PACKAGE, THE BERKELEY GROUP OFFERED A QUOTE OF 105,000 FOR THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE MEMO, THE OUTLINE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PHASES.

UM, THE OTHER COMPANY, THE NEXT HIGHEST WAS DOUBLE THAT AMOUNT AND THE ONE AFTER THAT WAS EVEN BEYOND.

AND SO I WILL TELL YOU, UM, COST WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT JUST IF YOU EVEN TOOK COST OFF THE TABLE, I'LL TELL YOU THE EXPERTISE THAT THE BERKELEY GROUP CAME TO THE TABLE WITH THE TEAM THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER.

WHEN THEY MET WITH US, THEY ALREADY HAD THEIR TEAM OF NINE IDENTIFIED.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, THEY HAVE FORMER CITY MANAGERS AND FORMER DIRECTORS OF KEY POSITIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THIS TEAM SO THAT THEY ALREADY ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE DO AND THEIR SPECIALISTS IN PUBLIC SECTOR.

ANYWAY, THE BERKELEY GROUP.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER PLUS THAT HELPS US HIT THE GROUND RUNNING TO MEET THE TIMELINE.

SO IT JUST WAS A GOOD PRODUCT THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US.

GOOD PREPAREDNESS.

THEY ALREADY KNEW THEY'D DONE THEIR HOMEWORK ON YOUR COUNTY.

AND SO THEY'RE READY, THEY'RE READY TO HIT THE GROUND.

AND MR. ROME, BESIDES THAT, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I REALLY WANTED YOU TO KNOW WAS IF WE'D HAVE, IF WE'D HAVE INTERVIEWED THE MOST EXPENSIVE COMPANY THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A PRE-QUALIFIED CONTRACT, WE COULD HAVE STOPPED RIGHT THERE AND TAKEN THAT CONTRACT AND BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND DONE THAT.

BUT THE STAFF AND I, WE DIDN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.

WE WANTED TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

SO WE WENT AND DID EXTRA DUE DILIGENCE THERE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE REALLY GETTING THE BEST DEAL WE COULD.

SO ANY ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS COULD HAVE BEEN CHOSEN ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT INTERVIEWING ANY OF THE OTHER TWO.

AND, AND, AND THE RIGHT THING.

AND Y'ALL DID THE RIGHT THING THAT WAS TO ASK THE QUESTION.

WHAT ELSE IS THAT IN THE MARKET? WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST VALUE? SO GOOD, GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

YEAH, I WOULD'VE, I APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT, FOR SURE.

YES SIR.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR PLEASE? APPROVED, MOVED.