Jun 12, 2024 Planning Commission

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UH OH.

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CHECK YOUR WATCH BEFORE YOU ASK .

30 SECONDS.

GOOD.

MR. SMITH.

EXCEPT GO AHEAD AND START.

GO AHEAD AND START.

WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START.

GOOD EVENING.

[1. Call to Order]

THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.

THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISE THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.

THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO MEMBERS AT LARGE.

AND SECRETARY, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN.

HERE.

MR. TITUS? HERE.

MS. ALITO? HERE.

MR. KING? HERE.

MR. KRINER.

MR. SMITH? HERE.

MR. WATMORE? HERE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, IF WE COULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE, BY PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[4. Approve Minutes – May 8, 2024]

MOVING TO OUR LAST MEETING MINUTES.

UH, BELIEVE EVERYONE RECEIVED A COPY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES, ADDITIONS, OR DELETIONS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

ITEM SECRETARY, PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. WASSER WANTS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON MAY 8TH, 2024.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN, I'LL ABSTAIN.

I WAS NOT HERE.

MR. TITUS HERE? YES.

MS. LIAM? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. WASSER? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, WE WILL NOW OPEN

[5. Citizen Comments]

UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD BEFORE WE MOVE INTO OUR AGENDA? OKAY.

HAVING NONE.

UH, WE'LL

[Application No. UP-1035-24, Kwik Out 1: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 12, Nos. 5a and 6) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize auto/light and heavy truck rental —specifically one U-Haul rental truck—on a 0.4 acre parcel (GPIN: H12a-0983-2686) located at 1691 Merrimac Trail (Route 143). The property is zoned GB (General Business) and designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan.]

UH, WE HAVE THREE TONIGHT.

THE STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL OPEN IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK, UH, FOR UP TO 10 MINUTES, FOLLOWED BY THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS WITH THREE MINUTES EACH.

UH, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF, PLEASE.

TO PRESENT OUR FIRST APPLICATION.

ANYTHING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS INFORMATION.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE U-HAUL TRUCK RENTALS AT 1 6 9 1 MARY M.

TRAIL.

SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ON A 0.4 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED ON MERRIMACK TRAIL IN HIS ZONE GB, AND IS OCCUPIED BY TWO AUTOMOBILE FUEL DISPENSING PUMPS.

AND A CONVENIENCE STORE.

SURROUNDING PROPERTIES INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, UM, THE COUNTRY CLUB APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE ZONED, UM, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY,

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AND TO THE EAST THERE IS AU SHANTER BOULEVARD AND MARIANA ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT INCORPORATED, WHICH IS ZONED IL IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SUBJECT PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN DARK BLUE.

THE PROPERTY IS FRONTAGE ON MARY M TRAIL AND TAMARA SHANTER BOULEVARD.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE GAS STATION.

PUMP IN THE BLUE IS THE PROPOSED U-HAUL PARKING SPACE.

LOCATION.

PARKING IS LIMITED ON SITE AND THE EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE IS 2,485 SQUARE FEET ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

UM, FOR CONVENIENCE STORES REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.

THE PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 13 PARKING SPACES, UM, IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 13 PARKING SPACES AND CURRENTLY HAS 14.

THEREFORE, THIS LEAVES ONE PARKING SPACE FOR THE PROPOSED U-HAUL USAGE STAFF HAS PROPOSED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL LIMITING THE NUMBER OF RENTAL TRUCKS THAT CAN BE DISPLAYED AT ANY ONE TIME TO ONE TRUCK AND LIMIT THE SIZE OF SAID TRUCK TO A MAXIMUM OF 21 FEET IN LENGTH.

THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL DOES NOT ADDRESS TRUCK RENTALS.

HOWEVER, WITH ONE TRUCK RENTAL, THE USE WOULD NOT PRODUCE MORE THAN A FEW VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.

GIVEN THE SMALL SCALE OF THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL ON MARY ME TRAIL, ANY IMPACT ON TRAFFIC WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.

STAFF HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

UH, NO MORE THAN ONE RENTAL TRUCK SHALL BE PARKED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

AS SAID EARLIER, NO TRUCK THAT EXCEEDS 21 FEET SHALL BE PERMITTED TO PARK ON THE PROPERTY.

THE RENTAL TRUCK SHALL BE, SHALL BE PARKED IN A DESIGNATED AND SIGNED PARKING SPACE AS SHOWN.

AND THE RENTAL TRUCK SHALL NOT IMPACT EMERGENCY DRIVE VIALS AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PRESERVATION CODE AT ALL TIMES.

IN STAFF'S OPINION, ALLOWING THE RENTAL OF ONE U-HAUL TRUCK WILL HAVE A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA.

DUE TO THE MINIMAL FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO, UH, CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN PROPOSAL NUMBER PC 24 15.

OKAY.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? NO, SIR.

MICROPHONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

UH, MILES, IS THIS A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE GONNA RENT MORE THAN ONE U-HAUL TRUCK, BUT ONLY ONE AND ONE WILL BE PARKED THERE DURING ANY GIVEN TIME? IS THAT THE CASE? NO.

THEY CAN ONLY, UM, HAVE ONE U-HAUL TRUCK AT THE LOCATION.

AT AT THE LOCATION.

OKAY.

THEY CAN'T JUST, UM, CYCLE, CYCLE A DIFFERENT, UM, TRUCKS IN AND OUT.

SO THEY CAN'T HAVE, LET'S SAY, THREE U-HAUL TRUCKS.

BUT WHENEVER SOMEONE IS USING IT, THEY, THEY ALLOW ANOTHER ONE.

THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO RENT OUT A SINGLE TRUCK AT ANY TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT YOUR, YOUR QUESTION MR. KING IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY, COULD THEY LIKE, HAVE TWO TRUCKS THERE AND RENT? I MEAN, SORRY, IF THEY HAVE ONE TRUCK ON SITE, THAT ONE COMES, GETS RENTED AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE THE SAME DAY? YES.

YES.

THAT, THAT COULD HAPPEN.

THEY JUST CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE ON SITE 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE PARKING SPOT AVAILABLE FOR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SORRY, MILES, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.

OKAY.

UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

UM, MS. PAT PATEL.

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I AM GENEROUS TONIGHT.

10 MINUTES PLEASE.

GOOD DEAR.

RESPECT YOU SIR.

AND MADAM.

UH, MY NAME IS HALEY PATEL.

I'M REPRESENTING, UH, DAVE QVA IN CORPORATION DOING BUSINESS AS, UH, QUICK OUT AT 1691.

MARY MC TRAIL.

WILLIAMSBURG.

UH, I'M SPEAK, I'M SEEKING, UH, I AS AND V AS A BUSINESS SEEKING PERMIT FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE U-HAUL RENTAL.

AND IT'LL BE A VERY BENEFICIAL TO OUR, OUR BUSINESS TO BOOST THE, UH, TRAFFIC OF THE CLIENTS.

AND I REALLY THINK IF YOU CAN JUST GRANT US SOME PERMIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYONE? OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY APPLICANTS OR ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK.

UM, AND WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONERS FOR COMMENTS.

PLEASE, MR. NO COMMENT.

THANK YOU.

I'LL BE VOTING FOR IT.

NO COMMENT HERE.

THANK YOU.

UM, YEAH, NO COMMENT, BUT I WILL BE VOTING FOR IT.

OKAY.

NOTHING.

OKAY.

HAVING HEARD NONE, DO WE WANNA ENTERTAIN A MOTION? PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FORWARD PC 24 DASH 15 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU SIR.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. KINGS RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH 15 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE U-HAUL TRUCKS AT 1691 MERRIMAC TRAIL.

MR. TITUS? YES.

MS. ALITO? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. WASMER? YES.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH,

[Application No. UP-1036-24, Legasea Yacht Group, LLC: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-709(a) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize an increase in sign area for an existing marina located on two (2) parcels of land with a combined area of 4.8-acres (GPINs U08d-3042-1546 and U08d-3131-1741) located at 819 and 821 Railway Road (Route 617). The business is allowed to have 200 square feet of cumulative wall sign area and the application requests 245 square feet of cumulative wall sign area. The properties are zoned WCI (Water-oriented Commercial/Industrial) and designated Limited Business in the Comprehensive Plan.]

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION, UM, FOR AN INCREASE IN CUMULATIVE WALL SIGN AREA.

AND THIS IS FOR THE MARINA AT EIGHT 19 AND 8 21 RAILWAY ROAD.

UM, THIS WAS FORMERLY DARE MARINA, CURRENTLY IS LEGACY MARINE FOR THE CURRENT OWNERS.

GOT A FEEDBACK YOU TONIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

SO I'VE OUTLINED THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES THERE FOR YOU IN THAT HOT PINK COLOR.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALMOST FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.

IT'S ZONED WATERFRONT ORIENTED, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST, ALSO SIMILAR ZONING.

AND THEN THE SURROUNDING IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S AN AERIAL.

THE TWO PROPERTIES, UM, BACKED IT OUT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU.

JUST TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT OF WHAT'S ACROSS CHISMAN CREEK THERE.

IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S SURROUNDING THIS.

SO SOME VISUALS OF THE SITE.

THIS IS AS YOU APPROACH THE ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY ON RAILWAY ROAD, YOU CAN SEE THEIR MONUMENT SIGN THERE.

AND THIS IS, AS WE GO UP THE MAIN MARINA DRIVEWAY, YOU'LL SEE THERE, UM, THAT BOAT STORAGE BUILDING, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS LATER, IS GONNA HOLD ONE OF THOSE SIGNS.

SO YOU CAN SEE I POINTED IT OUT THERE AND HOW IT'S SET PRETTY FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 400 FEET.

THE MARINA HAS A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES AND USES OCCURRING, UM, STORAGE OF BOATS.

WE HAVE THOSE THREE STORY DRY STORAGE DOCKS.

NOW AS YOU PROCEED, WE HAVE THAT LARGE BOAT STORAGE BUILDING.

IT'S PRETTY LARGE.

IT'S ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

THERE'S ALSO A TWO STORY OFFICE AND A SMALL SHOP AND PROCEEDING.

WE GET TO THE WATER, AIR, WE HAVE OUR WET SLIPS, THE DOCK AND BOAT LIFTS.

SO IN THE SIGN CODE, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE IS A PROVISION TO ALLOW VIA SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AN INCREASE IN CUMULATIVE SIGN AREA.

AND SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO WALL SIGNS ON THAT STORAGE BUILDING.

ONE'S GONNA BE 95 SQUARE FEET FACING RAILWAY AND ONE'S GONNA BE 150 SQUARE FEET FACING CHISMAN CREEK TO THE EAST.

NOW BY RIGHT, IT PERMITTED 200 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE WAY WE MEASURE SIGN AREA IS WE'RE MEASURING THE LENGTH OF THAT BOAT STORAGE BUILDING 200 FEET.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GET BY, RIGHT IN THIS CASE WITH THEIR PROPOSED SIGN AREAS.

THEY'RE 45 FEET OVER THAT BY RIGHT ALLOWABLE AREA AND THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERING THIS APPLICATION.

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THIS IS THE EASTERN SIGN THAT'S GONNA FAKE CHISMAN CREEK SIDE OF THE BOAT STORAGE BUILDING.

I ADD THE DIMENSIONS THERE, FIVE BY 30.

AND THIS IS GONNA BE 150 SQUARE FEET.

JUST TO KIND OF GET A VIS, GIVE YOU GUYS A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THIS IS A RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, AGAIN, TO KIND OF SHOW THE SIGN BACKED OUT A LITTLE BIT ON CHISMAN CREEK.

NOW THE REQUEST FOR THAT LARGER SIGN AREA IS, AGAIN, IT'S A MARINA.

IT SERVES CUSTOMERS COMING IN ON BOATS.

SO IDEALLY IF YOU'RE NAVIGATING IN FROM YORK RIVER AND YOU WANNA DOCKET THE MARINA, YOU WANNA BE IDENTIFIABLE FROM FAR ENOUGH AWAY TO MAKE THOSE MANEUVERS TO DOCK AT THE MARINA.

AND ADDITIONALLY, FROM THAT SIDE OF THE BOAT STORAGE BUILDING, IF WE'RE GOING ACROSS CHISMAN CREEK TO THOSE RESIDENCES, IT'S WELL OVER A THOUSAND FEET.

SO STAFF FEELS THAT THE SIGN'S UN ILLUMINATED.

AND IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE SIZE WHERE IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE VISUALLY OBSTRUCTIVE TO THOSE RESIDENCES? AND AGAIN, THAT'S A VISUAL FOR YOU OF THAT SOUTHERN SIGN THAT'S GONNA FACE RAILWAY ROAD.

AGAIN, I HAVE PROVIDED YOU OF THE DIMENSIONS AND SUPERIMPOSED IT OVER THE BOAT STORAGE BUILDING AND SOME 95 SQUARE FEET.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A CASE FOR, THEY'RE SET PRETTY FAR BACK AGAIN FROM THE ROAD AND THE LARGER SIGN AREA.

SO AGAIN, BY RIGHT 50 FEET REQUESTING 95 SQUARE FEET TO BE VISIBLE.

AND THE ARROW IS KIND OF MEANT TO SHOW YOU IF YOU'RE WALKING OR DRIVING UP THE SIDE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE SIGN WOULD BE LOCATED.

DO YOU WANNA POINT OUT THE PROPOSED SIGNS AREN'T ACTUALLY GONNA BE ANY LARGER THAN WHAT WAS THERE FOR DARE MARINA.

UM, YOU SEE IN THOSE TWO PHOTOS OR THESE PROPOSED SIGNS ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE IN THE SAME EXACT LOCATION AND ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE.

SO NOTHING REALLY MORE INTENSE THAN THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.

SO LOOKING AT THIS PROVISION OF CODE, IT'S AGAIN, A HARDSHIP BY TOPOGRAPHY OR DISTANCE FROM A ROAD FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC OR PARTIAL SHAPE AS JUSTIFYING THE INCREASE IN SIGN AREA.

SO THE STAFF FEELS THAT, AGAIN, THE LARGER SIGNS DO PROVIDE GREATER VISIBILITY TO NOT ONLY VEHICLES ON A RAILWAY ROAD, BUT WE COULD APPLY THE PROVISION TO BOATERS ON CHISMAN CREEK.

AGAIN, IT'S MARINA, THE USE IT'S BOAT TRAFFIC AND THAT'S WHERE CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA COME IN.

BOTH SIGNS AREN'T ANY LARGER THAN THE FORMER SIGNAGE.

AND AGAIN, THESE WALL SIGNS ARE GONNA BE LIMITED TO THOSE SIDES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CONDITIONED IN THE PERMIT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE A FREE FOR ALL FOR DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH YOUR SIGNS.

ANY OTHER SIGNS ON SITE ARE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SIGN CODE.

SO DO ALL THOSE FACTORS.

STAFF IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH THEREIN.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU TONIGHT.

UM, HERE FOR STAFF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE AS WELL AND THEY'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

HAVING HEARD NONE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

UH, CHRIS AND JENNIFER HALL, WOULD YOU WANNA STEP UP AND SAY ANYTHING OR IT'S YOUR OPTION? AND AGAIN, I'D LIMIT YOU TO 10 MINUTES.

QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN ADD.

SHE PRETTY MUCH LAID IT OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SEE THE SIGN BY WATER FOR THE ONE FOR THE CARS AND THE ONES FOR THE CARS YOU CAN'T SEE BY WATER.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE SIGNAGE AS BIG AS THAT BUILDING IS THAT IT CAN BE SEEN FROM BOTH WATER AND BY LAND.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? UM, JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, WE ARE NEW OWNERS.

UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH DARE MARINA, BUT NOT LEGACY MARINES.

SO THERE ARE TRANSIENTS THAT VISIT OUR MARINA, NOT JUST LOCAL FOLKS IN YORKTOWN.

SO WHEN THEY'RE COMING BY WATER, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A SIGN OR SOMETHING TO INDICATE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HEADING TO.

SO THIS WILL REALLY HELP THAT OUT.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE? I, I'D JUST MAKE A COMMENT.

UH, YOU KNOW, SERVING ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, CHAD GREEN AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP DO AWAY WITH BOAT TAX.

AND SINCE THEN OUR MARINAS ARE FILLING BACK UP AND, UH, WATERFRONT PROPERTIES ARE BEING REVITALIZED AND DOCKS BUILT AND, UH, BOATING IS SUCH AN INTEGRAL PART OF YORK COUNTY.

AND SO, UM, WE NEED GREAT MARINAS AND YOU GUYS HAVE, THE HALLS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, COMING IN AND, AND, UH, REVITALIZING.

NOT THAT IT NEEDED A LOT, BUT JUST, UH, BRINGING IT, UH, DARE MARINA TO LEGACY.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR INVESTMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I ADD TO THAT, UH, YOUR IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTED.

UH, THANKS.

YOU'VE

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AND PLUS THE ACTIVITIES THAT YOU'VE GENERATED FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, UH, IS NOTEWORTHY.

SO I I DEFINITELY ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

UH, OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYONE SIGN UP, UH, FOR ADDRESSING THIS APPLICATION.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OKAY.

CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.

OPEN UP FOR ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT.

NO COMMENTS? NO, NO COMMENTS.

GOOD.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE PC 24 16 MAD SECRETARY.

THE MOTION BY MR. ROSSER IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION PC 24 DASH 16 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE AN INCREASE IN SIGN AREA AND HEIGHT FOR AN EXISTING MARINA LOCATED ON EIGHT 19 AND 8 21 RAILWAY ROAD.

MS. LIAM? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. WESTMORE? YES.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN? YES.

MR. TITUS? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I THINK WE HAVE ONE

[Application No. UP-1037-24, Williamsburg Golf Investors II Inc.: Request for a major amendment of a conforming Special Use, pursuant to Section 24.1-115(d)(3) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of ten (10) accommodations for rental by Williamsburg Golf Course members on an approximately two-acre portion of the existing 153.3-acre Williamsburg Golf course located at 1801 Merrimac Trail (GPIN: H12b-3671-2710). The property is zoned RC (Resource Conversation) and is designated Conservation and Economic Opportunity in the Comprehensive Plan.]

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

OKAY.

SO THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AUTHORIZE A MAJOR AMENDMENT OF A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF 10 ACCOMMODATIONS FOR RENTAL BY WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB MEMBERS AT 1801 MERRIMACK TRAIL.

NOW THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED RC FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION.

THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED EO FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

IL FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL R 20 FOR MEDIUM DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND PD FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANTS WISH TO ESTABLISH THE ACCOMMODATIONS ON AN APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRE PORTION OF THE EXISTING 153 ACRE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.

I'VE CIRCLED THE SUBJECT AREA IN BLUE TO THE NORTH IS THE 18TH HOLE OF THE GOLF COURSE.

UH, TO THE EAST AND SOUTH ARE BLUE-GREEN VACATIONS, PARKSIDE WILLIAMSBURG RESORT TIMESHARE UNITS.

AND TO THE WEST IS A SMALL PARKING LOT ON THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB PROPERTY AND A CHIPPING GREEN AND PUTTING GREEN.

SO I'M GONNA START BY GIVING YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE APPLIED FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE AND I WANTED TO START WITH AN EXPLANATION OF THE PHRASE CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.

UH, THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1959.

THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A GOLF COURSE IN THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION ZONING DISTRICT.

BUT IT DIDN'T ALWAYS.

THIS REQUIREMENT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1985 WHEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED AND THAT'S WHEN THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB BECAME A LAWFULLY CONFORMING SPECIAL USE, WHICH IS COLLOQUIALLY REFERRED TO AS GRANDFATHERED.

UM, SO NOW I CAN DISCUSS WHY THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.

SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT AN EXPANSION IN FLOOR AREA OF 25% OR MORE SHALL BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO A SPECIAL USE.

THE APPLICANTS WANNA BUILD TEN FOUR BEDROOM ACCOMMODATIONS EACH WITH AN AREA OF 2,400 SQUARE FEET.

THE SUBJECT PARCEL HAS TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES, THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY'S TAX RECORDS, HAVE 36,212 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA BIND.

THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WOULD YIELD AN ADDITIONAL 24,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD REPRESENT A 66% INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA ON THE PROPERTY WELL ABOVE THE 25% NECESSARY TO TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A MAJOR AMENDMENT.

SO NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND, I'LL DISCUSS STAFF'S CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS.

SO, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, THE ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

THEY'RE INTENDED SOLELY FOR USE BY MEMBERS AND THEIR GUESTS.

STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE RENTAL OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS TO WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB MEMBERS.

VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE ACCOMMODATIONS IS NOT PROPOSED.

THE APPLICANT STATED IN THEIR NARRATIVE THAT GUESTS WOULD USE GOLF CARTS TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM THE ACCOMMODATIONS.

TWO GOLF CART PARKING SPACES WOULD BE LOCATED OFF PATH FOR EACH UNIT.

THE APPLICANT'S FURTHER STATED THAT THE NEW GOLF CART PATH WOULD BE DESIGNED AS AN ACCESS ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN INCLUDED THAT WOULD BIND THE APPLICANTS TO THE STIPULATIONS OUTLINED IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

STAFF HAS ALSO PRO PROPOSED A CONDITION OF A APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO INSTALL SIGNS INDICATING GOLF CART ACCESS ONLY AT ANY ENTRANCES TO THE ACCESS ROAD TO HELP ENSURE EMERGENCY VEHICLES HAVE UNOBSTRUCTED ACCESS TO THE ACCOMMODATIONS IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

THE APPLICANT STATE THAT GENERAL PARKING WILL BE ACCOMMODATED IN THE MAIN PARKING AREAS OF THE CLUB.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES THAT ALL COUNTRY CLUBS AND GOLF COURSES MUST HAVE

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ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANTS, THE CLUBHOUSE'S ASSEMBLY ROOMS HAVE A COMBINED AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 5,092 SQUARE FEET AND THE COURSE HAS 18 HOLES.

THEREFORE, AS IT STANDS TODAY, THE GOLF CLUB IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 103 PARKING SPACES.

STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NECESSITATE 20 PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S TWO SPACES PER UNIT IF APPROVED.

THE CLUB WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 123 PARKING SPACES.

UH, THE, THE GOLF CLUB CURRENTLY HAS 105 PARKING SPACES, THEREFORE THE GOLF CLUB WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL 18 PARKING SPACES.

AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED BUILDING ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF A SIMILAR TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION FROM A DIFFERENT GOLF COURSE AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT DID NOT SUBMIT BUILDING, UH, ELEVATIONS OR RENDERINGS OF, UH, THE ACCOMMODATIONS PROPOSED AT THE WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.

STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT A RENDERING OF ALL PROPOSED STRUCTURES TO BE APPROVED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF ANY BUILDING PLANS, UH, OR ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS.

THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL DOES NOT INCLUDE TRIP GENERATION DATA FOR THIS TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION.

HOWEVER, IT DOES INCLUDE DATA FOR SIMILAR USES.

A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF FOUR POINT, I'M SORRY, 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

TIMESHARE UNITS GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY.

AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR ALL THREE USES IS LESS THAN ONE.

THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON MERRIMACK TRAIL, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2022 VDOT ESTIMATES CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 10,620 VEHICLES PER DAY.

SO THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD BE LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO TIMESHARE UNITS BECAUSE THEY'D BE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO THESE TIMESHARE UNITS.

STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD NOT CREATE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, GIVEN THE RELATIVELY HIGH ESTIMATED TRAFFIC COUNT FOR MERRIMACK TRAIL.

AND THE FACT THAT THE ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT BY MEMBERS, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON MERRIMACK TRAIL SHOULD NOT BE NOTICEABLE.

FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH 17.

THANK YOU.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

QUESTIONS ? I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE THERE.

CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD.

CHAIRMAN.

, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS.

I KNOW YOU MICROPHONE, UH, TURN ON THE MICROPHONE.

ALRIGHT, I CAN DO THAT.

10 ACCOMMODATIONS IS THE BUILDINGS OR 10 BUILDINGS.

I GOT THAT.

BUT I WOULD SUBMIT YOU'VE ACTUALLY GOT 40 ACCOMMODATIONS 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA RENT OUT 40 APARTMENTS, FOUR APARTMENTS IN EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

SO THAT'S REALLY 40 ACCOMMODATIONS AND NOT JUST 10.

SO I WOULD SUBMIT, YOU ALMOST NEED DOUBLE THE PARKING THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED NEED LIKE 41 PER BEDROOM IF YOU WOULD, OR EFFICIENCY APARTMENT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CODE THAT UP.

'CAUSE THERE'S, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S BASICALLY A LIVING AREA, PRIVATE BATH AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND THEN THERE'S A COMMON AREA AND THEY COULD RENT OUT ALL FOUR OF THOSE AREAS SEPARATELY.

SO YOU, SO THE ROOMS COULD HAVE FOUR FAMILY OR FOUR PEOPLE IN THERE, FOUR GOLFERS IN THERE AND NOT JUST TWO.

SO THE ROOMS INSIDE OF THE, THE HOMES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, ARE NOT, UH, TO BE RENTED INDIVIDUALLY.

THEY, THEY WOULD BE ONE, ONE HOUSE THAT THEY WOULD RENT.

SO KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU, IF YOU WERE TO RENT LIKE AN AIRBNB HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU USUALLY WOULDN'T SHARE BEDROOMS WITH STRANGERS AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE SAME SITUATION.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT THAT, THAT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

OKAY.

SO I'LL ASK THE, THE GOLF PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME UP ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT'S JUST A COMBINATION.

I, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FROM OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER, YOU'VE ACTUALLY GOT THESE, THESE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, AND THE REASON THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CALLED ANYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY'RE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON A, A, UH, MAXIMUM ACCOMMODATION OR WHATEVER, A MODIFICATION TO A SPATIAL USE THAT IS ACTUALLY GRANDFATHERED.

I MEAN, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE, BUT IT'S GRANDFATHERED KIND OF, SORT OF, AND THEN IT'S, SO YOU GOT THESE 40 10 OR 40, WHICHEVER IT IS, SHORT TERM RENTALS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT IS GOING FORWARD.

AND I KNOW THEY CAN BE, THEY'RE NOT CALLED THAT IN THIS PROPOSAL.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POINT OF CLARITY.

SO THESE, THESE ARE NOT STR THIS IS MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL.

SO THESE, UH, IT, IT IS, THEY DO HAVE, UM, THEY'RE A LAWFULLY CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.

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YEAH.

I STAYED AWAY FROM THE, FROM TOURIST HOMES AND CALLED 'EM JUST SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

SHORT-TERM RENTALS INCLUDE TOURIST HOMES AND BED AND BREAKFASTS.

I KNOW.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT SERVING FOOD INSIDE THE HOME, THEN IT WOULD BE A TOURIST HOME.

OKAY.

THEY COULD BE A TOURIST HOME.

I'M JUST SUBMITTING THAT.

IT LOOKS LIKE A TOURIST HOME.

IT ACTS LIKE A TOURIST HOME.

THEY'RE GONNA RENT IT AS A TOURIST HOME AND THEY'RE GONNA CALL IT THE CHICKEN.

BUT ON A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, A COMMERCIAL IS A KEY WORD HERE.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF, ANYWAY, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER.

UH, IT STILL, IT STILL GETS AT ME, EATS AT ME.

I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

UH, HAVING HEARD DONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.

UM, JIM DEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO COME FORWARD, SIR, AND AGAIN, A REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, NOT 30, UH, 10 .

AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS DAN ZI.

UH, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF GOLF AT WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB.

SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT AND, UM, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT OUR, OUR INTENDED PROJECT.

UM, YOU ASKED FOR MY ADDRESS.

IT'S, UH, THREE, UH, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR MY PERSONAL ADDRESS? YES, SIR.

THREE FOUR.

THREE ONE OLD STAGE ROAD, ANO, VIRGINIA.

AND, UH, UH, 2 3 1 6 8.

BUT, UM, UM, JUST TO KIND OF GO OFF OF THE PRESENTATION, THANK YOU FOR, UM, A, A GREAT PRESENTATION.

UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT HAVE COME UP THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, WE'RE IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT BEING, UM, 10 POSSIBLE UNITS.

THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UH, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, UH, O OVER TIME, SOMETHING PHASED OUT.

UM, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BUILD, UM, PERIODICALLY, THOSE WOULD NOT BE 10 COTTAGES AT, AT ONCE.

UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MY CAREER I'VE HAD THE, UH, THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK AT SOME OF THE FINEST FACILITIES IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE ALL HAD, UH, PRIVATE ACCOMMODATIONS AND, UH, AND COTTAGES.

UH, EVEN IN THIS STATE, WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST GOLF COURSES IN VIRGINIA, KINLOCK AND, UH, VARIOUS PLACES THAT HAVE, UM, UH, COTTAGE RENTALS ON PROPERTY THAT ALLOW THEIR MEMBERS AND NATIONAL MEMBERS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF OUR AREA, UH, TO STILL VISIT THE CLUBS THAT THEY'RE MEMBERS AT AND BE ABLE TO STAY ON PROPERTY, UM, AND, AND GET THE EXPERIENCE THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE, UM, AS A, UH, AS A PRIVATE FACILITY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BRING TO OUR CLUB TO BE ABLE TO OFFER TO OUR MEMBERSHIP.

ALSO BE ABLE TO ELEVATE THE STATUS OF OUR FACILITY AND, AND, AND BRING SOMETHING TO YOUR COUNTY AS WELL.

SO, UM, THAT'S, UM, JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO ADD ABOUT THAT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE KIND OF PRIDED OURSELVES OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS OF, UM, MR. SHAWBACK TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THE CLUB AND, UM, RENOVATING OUR FACILITIES.

AND THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER ADDITION, UH, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADD, UM, AMENITIES FOR OUR MEMBERS THAT, UH, THAT CAN EXPAND OUR MEMBERSHIP AND, UH, BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE REQUESTS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR OUTSIDE NATIONAL MEMBERSHIP TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ONTO ON, UH, PROPERTY.

SO, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

NATIONAL MEMBERSHIP MICROPHONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FIRST.

OKAY.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

YES.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF GUARANTEES DO WE HAVE THAT THE DESIGN OF THE COLLEGES WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE DESIGN THAT I'M LOOKING AT IN MY PACKET? I HEARD THE STAFF, UH, SAY THAT, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THAT.

AND SO WHAT CRITERIA WILL BE USED TO JUDGE WHAT THESE UNITS WILL LOOK LIKE? YEAH, SO, SO THE, THE, UH, RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE ARE, UH, USED FROM A, A FACILITY, UH, THAT WE, UM, UH, A FRIEND OF OURS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE BUILT SIMILAR COTTAGES.

THE LAYOUT IS GONNA BE, UM, VERY MUCH THE SAME AS FAR AS, UM, FOUR INDIVIDUAL ROOMS WITH, UM, EN SUITES PRIVATE BATHROOMS THAT THEY HAVE IN EACH ROOM.

UM, AND A COMMON AREA THAT ALLOWS EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY A LIVING ROOM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TELEVISION SOFAS AREAS TO, UH, TO GATHER.

UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UM, HAVING MORE OF A KITCHENETTE, LIKE A BAR AREA, NOT A FULL KITCHEN WHERE THEY'D BE ABLE TO COOK.

I, I'M REALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE, NOT THE INTERIOR.

YEAH, I, WE, WE HAVE NOT, WE HAVE NOT, UH, MADE THAT FINAL DECISION YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CONSIDERED MULTIPLE MATERIALS LIKE A

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SO.

OKAY.

HOW'D YOUR UH, UH, TOURNAMENT GO? GREAT.

DID YOU HAVE A TOURNAMENT THIS LAST WEEKEND OR SOMETHING LIKE IT? WE DID, YES, SIR.

WE, UH, WE JUST HOSTED, UM, THE VIRGINIA STATE SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIP.

SO YEAH, SO IT WAS GREAT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

.

GOOD, GOOD.

YEAH.

THE, THE NATIONAL MEMBERS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT YOU GOT WILLIAMSBURG CLUB MEMBERS AND YOU GOT NATIONAL MEMBERS AND NATIONAL WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL WILLIAMSBURG GOLF CLUB MEMBERS.

UM, OKAY.

IT'S, UH, A NATIONAL MEMBERSHIP IS, IS SOLELY BASED ON THEIR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.

SOME PEOPLE LIVE OUTTA STATE THAT HAVE MEMBERSHIP AT THE CLUB, TRAVEL IN TO, UH, TO PLAY AND USE THE CLUB AS A, AS A MEMBER.

AND, UH, HAVING THE ACCOMMODATIONS WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE, UH, TO HELP THEM AND STAY HERE AND PROPERTY IF THEY DON'T HAVE A RESIDENCY.

WOULD ANY OF THOSE BE AFFILIATED CLUBS THAT WHERE THE MEMBERS OF AFFILIATED CLUB WOULD ACT LIKE A MEMBER OF WILLIAMSBURG CLUB? NO.

SO, OKAY.

AND THEN CLARIFY, IS IT YOU'RE GONNA RENT 10 PROPOSED 10, 10 RENTALS, OR IS IT GONNA BE POTENTIALLY 40 RENTALS EACH ONE OF THE UNITS INSIDE A RENTAL? WHAT, WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH, WITH A RENTAL WOULD BE A GROUP COMING IN TO RENT A FULL HOUSE WITH FOUR GOLFERS IN A FOURSOME TYPICALLY.

UM, BUT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE INDIVIDUALLY IF SOMEONE JUST NEEDED A ROOM.

SO THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ISOLATE EACH ROOM AND LOCK THEM AND HAVE ONE PERSON BE ABLE TO RENT A SPECIFIC ROOM IF THEY NEEDED TO.

BUT TYPICAL IT WOULD BE TO RENT THE ENTIRE CAR.

AND WHEN A FOURSOME COMES IN, IS THAT FOUR CARS THAT COME IN OR THEY COME IN TYPICALLY, OR THAT THEY COME? I WOULD SAY NO.

NO.

I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU'RE IN, YOU KNOW, ONE LARGE VEHICLE OR, OR MAYBE MAYBE TWO AT MAX, BUT NO, VERY, VERY FEW TIMES YOU'D SEE EVERY IN INDIVIDUAL IN THE GROUP DRIVE SEPARATELY.

OKAY.

UH, REALLY I THINK THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

I HAD PARKING SPOTS.

AND THEN THAT THE OTHER THING, WE DO HAVE SPACE FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING RECOMMENDATIONS TOO.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IF, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE, WE DO HAVE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.

AND I'M JUST CURIOUS TO, I KNOW YOU DECIDED TO DO ALL 10 OF THESE AT THE SAME TIME, GET A PLAN TOGETHER, UH, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THREE BY RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NO.

FINE.

NOT, NOT BASED ON THE SIZE.

THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

BE LESS THAN 25%.

I'M, I'M SORRY, , LET'S TALK TO STAFF A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YEAH, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GET APPROVAL.

IF IT'S LESS THAN 25% AND MORE THAN FIVE, I THINK 5%, THEN UH, THE BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT.

AND I, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE THE WAY THE RESOLUTION IS WRITTEN, IT IS FOR 10 ACCOMMODATIONS FOR RENTAL, NOT FOR INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS. SO IT WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE UNIT AS A, AS A WHOLE, NOT, YOU CAN'T, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RENT THIS BEDROOM TO THIS PERSON OR THIS, YOU KNOW.

OKAY.

TWO BEDROOMS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

SO ONE, I MEAN, THE WAY WE WROTE IT WAS FOR 10 ACCOMMODATIONS FOR RENTAL.

SO IT'D BE THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES OR THE INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES.

SO ONE CONTRACT PER BUILDING? CORRECT.

OKAY.

CORRECT.

WHETHER THAT'S THREE ROOMS OR FOUR ROOMS OR TWO ROOMS, IT WOULD BE, SO THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU WERE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING, GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANT.

SO IF IT'S, IF YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO RENT INDIVIDUAL ROOMS, WE MAY NEED TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION FOR THAT.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I THINK WE'D LIKE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER REQUEST WE MAY HAVE.

SO INDIVIDUAL ROOMS. SO WILL THAT CHANGE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW AS FAR AS A RESOLUTION? I WOULD THINK SO.

UM, I'LL DEFER TO MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE WHO'S THE ATTORNEY.

DO WE NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE ACCOMMODATIONS? 'CAUSE YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT.

I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA ADD PARKING REQUIREMENT, MADAM AND GENTLEMEN.

IF THEY ARE CONSIDERING RENTING EACH ROOM INDIVIDUALLY, WHICH IS BASED ON MY REVIEW OF THE PACKAGE, NOT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE APPLICATION TO BE WHEN THE APPLICANT CAME TO STAFF, UH, THAT WOULD IN FACT BE F POTENTIALLY UP TO 40 INDIVIDUAL RENTALS.

HOW IT'S WRITTEN NOW.

WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK THE CLARIFICATION OF THAT IS THAT MOST TIMES IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

BUT WE, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR AN INDIVIDUAL.

DO I MEAN THAT'S, SO DOES THAT REQUIRE A NEW APPLICATION? SO THE ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE IT TO 40, SO THE

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SO DO WE NEED A SEPARATE APPLICATION OR CAN WE JUST MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS AT PARKING REQUIREMENTS? YOU CAN REVISE IT.

OKAY.

YOU CAN REVISE IT.

WILL THAT CHANGE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH THEM BEING INDIVIDUALLY? SO WE, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THE PARKING, WE, WE JUST CONSIDERED, SINCE IT WAS RENTING AS A WHOLE, THAT MORE THAN LIKELY WE WOULDN'T HAVE MORE THAN TWO PE TWO CARS.

'CAUSE EVEN IF THEY'RE FLYING IN FROM SOMEWHERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE DRIVING.

RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA RENT ONE CAR TOGETHER AS A GROUP MOST OF THE TIME.

UM, SO WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT.

UM, I KNOW, I'M, I'M THINKING ON THE FLY HERE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD NEED TO REQUIRE 20 MORE PARKING SPACES OR NOT.

I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE IT.

I WOULD ASSUME YOU HAVE 20 MORE PARKING SPACES THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE OUT THERE.

SO A HUNDRED AND GENIE, WAS IT 123? 123.

SO 143 PARKING SPACES.

THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY.

DO YOU FIT ANOTHER 20 OUT THERE SOMEWHERE? YES, BUT NO, I, I DON'T WANNA PUSH IT OUT.

, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T ENGINEERED IT YET.

YEAH.

I'M TIM DANE, I'M WITH TRC AND, UH, ENGINEER WORKING WITH THE CLUB.

WHEN IT COMES, THE QUESTION OR MY COMMENT IS GONNA BE ABOUT PARKING THAT COMES FROM A GOLF COURSE.

YOU ALREADY REQUIRED 90 SPACES FOR PARKING FOR THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF.

THESE ARE THE SAME INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE GOLFING.

SO IN A LOT OF CASES, THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE ALREADY ACCOMMODATED BY THE 90 AS REQUIRED.

SO ADDING 40 ADDITIONAL IS PROBABLY EXCESSIVE AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EXTRA PAVEMENT THAT'LL NEVER BE PARKED ON.

YEAH.

AND A LOT OF TIMES WE, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY TAKES GETTING DOWN INTO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS TO, TO FIGURE THESE KINDS OF THINGS OUT.

SO MAYBE IT WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING, ARE WE ADDRESSING THE PARKING AND THE RESOLUTION NOW? YEAH.

YEP.

YES, WE ARE.

WE ARE.

OKAY.

AND NUMBER SEVEN? YES.

OKAY.

NUMBER TWO.

OKAY.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, WELL, FOR, FOR AS FAR AS THE ACCOMMODATIONS PIECE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE 10 TO 40 IF THEY WANT, IF YOU STILL WANT 40.

UM, AND THEN I, NO, BECAUSE WE WERE, WE'RE CONSIDERING TWO, TWO CARS PER UNIT IS WHAT WE WERE THINKING WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID IT.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE IN, IF THEY'RE RENTING THE ROOMS INDIVIDUALLY, THAT CHANGES IT A BIT BECAUSE MAYBE IT'S NOT A FOURSOME THAT'S COMING IN.

WE WERE CONSIDERING IT TO BE A FOURSOME.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE THE POSSIBILITY THAT EACH PERSON THAT'S IN THE ROOM HAS THEIR OWN VEHICLE.

UM, WELL, I THINK IT'S COMMON AS MERIT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THERE'S THE GOLF, RIGHT? SO WHETHER THERE'S AN ACCOMMODATION THERE OR NOT, SPACE YEAH, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE THE DECIDING FACTOR.

WOULD THAT BE MORE OF A SITE DETERMINATION AT, I MEAN, IT WOULD, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE A SUGGESTION.

HOW ABOUT WE ADD TO NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER SEVEN, THE TWO CONDITIONS A MINIMUM OF IN FRONT OF 18.

AND THEN AT SITE PLAN WE RE REVIEW, WE WILL DISCUSS IT FURTHER, WHETHER WE NEED EVEN A MORE THAN THAT, A MINIMUM WOULD MEET THE 18 THAT WE ALREADY ANTICIPATED FOR THE 10 ACCOMMODATIONS.

BUT IF AT SITE PLAN REVIEW, WE DETERMINE THAT IT REALLY NEEDS MORE PARKING, THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO COMPEL THEM TO ADD THE PARKING.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MATH TONIGHT.

.

THANK YOU.

SO IS THAT RIGHT? MAD ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND, UH, MR. ANDERSON? I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST JUST A LITTLE FURTHER, IN ADDITION TO, AT A MINIMUM THAT, UH, AFTER 18 SPACES, YOU PUT A COMMA AND SAY SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL APPROVAL BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

YEAH.

OKAY.

IS THAT OKAY? SO THAT'LL BE NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER SEVEN THAT WILL BE REVISED IS WHAT DOES THAT AFFECT THE FIRST, WHEREAS PARAGRAPH WHERE WE TALK ABOUT 10 UNITS? SO I, LET'S JUST START A PAGE ONE .

UM, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THE, UH, ALL CAPITAL LETTERS SECTION WOULD'VE TO CHANGE FROM 10 TO 40 AND THEN THE NUMBER TO 40.

AND THEN IN THE, UM, NEXT PARAGRAPH, THE FIRST, WHEREAS PARAGRAPH, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE 10 THERE TO 40 MM-HMM.

.

AND THEN THE NOW RESOLVED TO 40, WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE? I'M SORRY.

UH, THE, NOW THEY'RE FOR THE TOP OF PAGE TWO

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AND THEN IN NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE WOULD BE THE LAST ONE GOING TO 40.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO CHANGES IN SEVEN AND TWO OR TWO AND SEVEN.

YEAH.

SO YOU NOW HAVE A 24 DASH 17 R THAT YOU'D BE VOTING ON.

IF, IF, COULD YOU RESTATE WHAT THE MODIFICATION TO TWO AND SEVEN WOULD BE? THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 18 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AT SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THAT APPLIES TO BOTH TWO AND SEVEN TO NUMBER TWO AND SEVEN? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

WE COMPLETELY DERAILED YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WITH THAT ONE.

UM, I'M GLAD WE COULD WORK THROUGH THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR HIM OR NOT.

THANK YOU, MR. I'LL TURN IT BACK TO THAT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MUCH.

I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST A COMMENT.

YES, SIR.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE GOLFER THAT'S PLAYING IS ALREADY A MEMBER AND YOU'RE PROVIDING A SPACE FOR A GOLFER THAT'S A MEMBER AND THUS THE PERSON THAT'S JUST HAPPENS TO BE STAYING THERE.

AND IF THEY WERE NOT STAYING THERE AND THEY WERE PLAYING GOLF, THAT WOULD BE COUNTED AS THEIR SPOT.

CORRECT.

AND THAT SAME PERSON IS COMING, BUT THEY'RE STAYING THERE AND THAT SPOT IS THE SAME.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UM, ARGUMENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALREADY A SPACE FOR A GOLFER RESERVED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD POINT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES SIR.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE RENTERS, I'LL USE THAT WORD ON, ON SITE, WE HAVE 24 HOUR STAFF THERE.

UM, NO.

ALRIGHT, SO WHO'S THE, THE INKEEPER? SO WHO, WHO'S THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE? SHOULD THERE BE ISSUES WHILE THOSE FOLKS ARE, I I WOULD, I WOULD BE.

SO YOU'LL BE AN ON CALL? YEAH.

YEAH.

I, I AM NOW AS WELL.

SO .

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU OR FOR STAFF, HOW DOES THIS WORK FROM THE, UM, HOSPITALITY TAXING REALM? WILL THESE GET TAXED WITH THE, THE HOSPITALITY TAX? UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING RENTED? HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK AND HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK? SO WE KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE TAXED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT IN A COLLEGE TO THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE.