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ALL[Call to Order]
RIGHT.GOOD EVENING FOLKS, AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 4TH, UM, WORK SESSION.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING ORDER ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MR. DREWRY? PRESENT? MR. RONE? HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
[1.* Home-Based Business Presentation: Receive a presentation from Earl Anderson, AICP, Chief of Development Services.]
WE'RE GONNA START OFF FROM A PRESENTATION REGARDING HOME BASE, UM, BUSINESSES.AND, UM, I BELIEVE MR. ANDERSON IS GOING TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT THIS EVENING.
BEFORE YOU HEAD INTO THAT DISCUSSION, WHAT'S, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO WITH IT TONIGHT? SO, TONIGHT IS THE, IS THE, UM, IS THE, UH, PRESENTATION OF THE, SOME OF THE APPROACH CHANGES AND WHERE TO TAKE THE, OR WHERE WE COULD TAKE THE ORDINANCE.
SO JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UM, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND FOR OUR, OUR, OUR US TO CONSIDER FOR ADOPTION LATER ON OR MAKE CHANGES OR WHATEVER.
SO THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTION TO INFORMATION TO WHAT IT LIKE.
WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON THE NIGHT.
NO, IT'S WORK SESSION, GETTING INFORMATION, SO.
SO, UH, THIS IS, UM, AN APPLICATION.
IT'S BEEN ON OUR, ON, ON OUR, UH, AGENDA FOR A WHILE.
I'LL SAY, UM, WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE HISTORY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ZONING TESTAMENT 180 5 DASH 2020 USUALLY REPRESENTS A YEAR.
SO THAT WAS THE YEAR WE, WE REALLY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, BUT IT REVIEW IS A VARIOUS, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS FOR THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION.
SO IN 2018, UH, WE, THE COUNTY, THE BOARD RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, THAT TALKED ABOUT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UM, REASONS WHY THE HOME OCCUPATION REGULATIONS SHOULD BE REVIEWED.
UH, THEY STATED IN THEIR LETTER THAT IT, THE REGULATIONS WERE VERY OUTDATED, UM, THAT THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED A LOT AND, AND WE HAVE SEEN ADDITIONAL CHANGES SINCE THAT TIME PERIOD, UH, WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BE ENTREPRENEUR, ENTREPRENEURIAL NERVES WORKING FROM HOME, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THE HOME OCCUPATION BUSINESS REGULATIONS, THEY FELT WERE A LITTLE ONEROUS ON, ON PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY THE LENGTH OF TIME IT WOULD TAKE FOR AN APPLICANT TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO THEY HAD REQUESTED SEVERAL CHANGES IN THEIR LETTER, UM, THAT THE BOARD MAKE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IN RESPONSE, THE BOARD DECIDED TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD REVIEW THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS OPTIONS.
UH, THEY WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT WAS MADE UP OF ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHO WAS THE CHAIR.
AND THEN WE HAD A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OWNERS, UH, HOMEOWNERS, UM, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES, UM, HOME BASED BUSINESS OPERATORS.
UM, WE EVEN HAD A TOW TRUCK OPERATOR IN THERE.
IN ADDITION, WE HAD OUR ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, AND SOMEONE FROM OUR, AT THE TIME WAS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
AND THEN WE HAD TWO STAFF MEMBERS, MYSELF AND JOYCELYN CORBIN OUT OF THE ZONING EFFORT.
AND WE STARTED WORKING, UM, 2019.
THEY WORKED FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH A, A NEW ORDINANCE.
UH, WE FIRST STARTED OFF WITH JUST GETTING AN EDUCATION ABOUT WHAT IT IS, WHAT THE ATMOSPHERE FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS WERE.
UM, THERE WAS A VARIETY OF RANGE OF SERVICES PROVIDERS OUT THERE.
EVERYTHING FROM GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS TO FARMERS, ARTISANS, SCIENTISTS, FOOD AND BEVERAGE ENTREPRENEURS AND MEDICAL PROVIDERS, ALL PROVIDING SOME KIND OF HOME OCCUPATION OUT OF THEIR HOME.
UM, IN 2008, WE SAW KIND OF A SHIFT DURING THE GREAT RECESSION FROM WORKING IN A BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, WE SAW IT AGAIN IN COVID COVID TIMES, UH, TO WORKING FROM HOME.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS FROM WORKING FROM HOME, WHETHER IT'S, UH, THE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE BETTER WORK LIFE BALANCE, THINGS OF THAT, THAT NATURE.
UM, IN ADDITION, WHENEVER YOU HAVE OWN YOUR OWN BUSINESS, YOU CAN CHOOSE WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE AND WORK AND AT THE TIME, UM, AND, AND STILL CURRENTLY, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR YORK COUNTY BUSINESS LICENSE, OUR HOME OCCUPATIONS IN ONE SHAPE OR FORMER SHAPE OUT THERE.
NOW, I WILL NOTE, UH, THAT THE COMMITTEE DID LEARN THIS ALSO, BUT NONE, NO CHANGES IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE OVERRIDE ANY HOA REQUIREMENTS.
SO, HOA REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL OUT THERE.
UM, THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IN THEIR REGULATIONS.
THE COMMITTEE, AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
THEY COMPLETED THEIR WORK IN FEBRUARY, 2020, UM, AND SENT IT TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THE PLANNING OF COURSE, COVID HIT IN MARCH OF 2020.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED IT, UM, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, UH, THEY APPROVED IT AND IT MOVED FORWARD, BUT IT KIND OF CAME TO A HALT, UM, AFTER THAT AS WE KIND OF WANTED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IN ADDITION, COVID KIND OF HELD A LOT OF THINGS UP,
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BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.AND SO I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY PROPOSED.
UM, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES.
THE, UM, THE MAIN, ONE OF THE MAIN PIECES IS HOW IT'S DEFINED.
UM, IT'S DEFINED AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
SO THIS ACCESSORY TO THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF IT, UM, WHERE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED BY THE, I'M SORRY, UPON WHICH IS LOCATED BY THE OCCUPANT OF THE DWELLING FOR OR WITH THE INTENT OF GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT INVOLVING THE PROVISION OF SOME GOOD OR SERVICES.
UM, AND I WILL NOTE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND BED AND BREAKFAST ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS.
THEY ARE HANDLED IN OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, UM, AND DO NOT FALL UNDER THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION.
SO NONE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD CHANGE ANY, ANYTHING OF THOSE REGULATIONS.
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT THE COMMITTEE PROPOSED WAS CHANGING THE, UM, THE LIST OF HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT WERE PERMITTED AS A MITER MATTER OF, RIGHT.
AND BASICALLY THEY REPLACE THAT WITH MORE GENERAL ALLOWANCES, UM, THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT NORMALLY CONCERN CITIZENS.
THESE CONCERNS ARE OFTEN FOCUSED ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE SITE AT ANY ONE TIME, RATHER THAN THE SPECIFIC USE, UH, WHICH LENDS TO AN INCREASED INTENSITY OF THE USE ON THE PROPERTY AND POTENTIAL PARKING PROBLEMS. UH, THOSE ARE THE COMPLAINTS WE MOST NORMALLY RECEIVE.
SO THE COMMITTEE PROPOSED TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS TYPES UNDER 24.2 82, WHICH TAKE THEM OUT AND THEN ADDRESS THE INTENSITY OF THE USE WITHIN 2 81, WHICH IS THE SECTION BEFORE, AND IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS.
SO THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COMMITTEE PROPOSED WAS TO ALLOW, AND THIS WOULD BE A BUY RIGHT USE, WOULD BE ALLOW UP A TOTAL UP TO FOUR RESIDENT EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS OR CLIENTS.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE IF AN OWNER OPERATOR HAD A BEAUTY SALON, THEY COULD HAVE UP TO THREE CLIENTS AT ONE TIME ALONG WITH THEMSELVES OFFERING THE BUSINESS, OR THEY COULD HAVE AN EMPLOYEE AND TWO CLIENTS AT A TIME.
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BUT THESE RE RELAXATIONS WOULD PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOW, UM, USES THAT DON'T CAUSE CONCERNS FOR NEIGHBORS TO BE A LITTLE MORE EASIER ABLE TO BE OPERATED FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF, UM, UP TO FOUR.
AND IF THEY GO OVER FOUR, THEN THEY WOULD EXCEED THAT NUMBER AND WOULD HAVE TO THEN REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO ANOTHER COMMON CONCERN WE HEAR IS PARKING.
UH, THE COMMITTEE DELIBERATED ON HOW BEST TO ALLOW PARKING AND TO ACCOMMODATE IT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES KIND OF SIMPLIFY THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE HOME OCCUPATIONS TO PROVIDE OFF THE STREET PARKING AND WHOLLY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON A SURFACED LOT, UH, OF PARKING SPACES.
SO WHEN IT'S ASSESSED, THEY WOULD LOOK AT HOW MUCH IS NEEDED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL IN ADDITION TO HOW MUCH WOULD NEED NEEDED FOR THE BUSINESS.
IT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE ACCOMMODATED OFF THE STREET, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF THE STREET, UM, AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THAT PARKING ON THERE.
SO IN AN EXAMPLE, I'LL GO BACK TO THE BEAUTY SALON.
THERE COULD BE A LIMITATION FOR A BEAUTY SALON.
UM, IF THEY HAD ONLY PARKING FOR FOUR SPACES.
A NORMAL RESIDENTIAL HOME REQUIRES TWO PARKING SPACES SO THAT TWO OF THE SPACES WOULD BE OUT.
SO THEY WOULD ONLY REALLY BE ABLE TO OPERATE THEMSELVES AS THE OPERATOR AND THEN ONE CLIENT AT A TIME.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE FOUR SPACES.
IF THEY WANTED TO GO ABOVE THAT, THEY COULD APPLY FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AN ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CHANGE WAS TO THE HOME OCCUPATION'S OPERATION TIME PERIOD.
CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY WITH SUNDAYS ONLY BEING ALLOWED WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED SUCH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
THE COMMITTEE NOTED THAT MANY BUSINESSES NO LONGER OPERATE ON A STRICT SIX DAY A WEEK BASIS.
AND THAT HOME OCCUPATIONS, SOME OCCUPATIONS ONLY OPERATE ON THE WEEKENDS.
'CAUSE MAYBE THEY'RE ONLY DOING THIS PART-TIME.
UH, THEY HAVE AS A SECOND JOB.
SO HOWEVER, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
WE DO PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE THE DAYS.
SO THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE ANY DAYS REFERENCE.
THEY COULD OPERATE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE RESTRICTED TO THE 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM HOUR FRAME.
AND THE, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
'CAUSE MOST PLACES WANT QUIET HOURS AFTER 8:00 PM AND DON'T WANNA SEE IT COME UP BEFORE IN THE, UH, SPECIALS USE PERMIT SECTION, WHICH IS THE 2283.
THE, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE THE CRITERIA THERE WOULD, UM, BE FOR WHERE YOU GO ABOVE AND
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BEYOND THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GENERAL.SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE FOUR OR MORE PEOPLE ON THE SITE, IF YOU, AND, AND OR IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A GREATER AREA.
SO RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE RESTRICTS YOU TO 400 SQUARE FEET OR 25% OF YOUR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
SO IF YOUR HOUSE IS SMALL, YOU MAY ONLY HAVE A HUNDRED FEET, FEET THAT YOU COULD USE THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THEY, THEY CHANGE THAT TO ALLOW IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE DISTRIBUTED.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM UM, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD APPLY FOR.
THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WOULD BE A PROCESS THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT INVOLVES THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY GET SENT LETTERS.
THEY'RE SIGNED, POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT, IT'S THE STILL THE SAME SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, BUT IT WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE INTENSITY.
SO IF SOMEONE HAD A VERY LARGE LOT, THEN THEY COULD FIT MORE PARKING, THEY COULD FIT MORE EMPLOYEES OR MORE CLIENTS COMING TO THE SITE.
UM, AND SO THE COMMITTEE FELT LIKE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
WE'D BE THE BEST THING TO USE HERE TO DO THAT.
IN ADDITION, THEY ADDRESSED THINGS LIKE PARKING, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, NOT PARK.
THEY DID PARKING, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND THEN ALSO CERTAIN TYPES OF VEHICLES, WHICH I'LL GET INTO HERE IN A SECOND.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO REQUEST MORE THAN FOUR SPACES, SO FIVE OR MORE PARKING SPACES OR EXCEED THAT 400%, UM, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET AN SUP.
UH, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SMALL LOT, THIS COULD BE MORE PROBLEMATIC FOR YOU IN PROVING THAT YOU COULD DO IT.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAD A LARGER LOT, LIKE TWO ACRES OR MORE, MAYBE YOU COULD FIT MORE PARKING AND IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMITTEE PROPOSED TO REMOVE SOME OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT, UM, USES LIKE THE BARBERSHOP AND BEAUTY SALONS AND ANTIQUE SHOPS.
THEY REMOVED THOSE FROM THE PROPOSAL FOR 2 83 AND WOULD NOT ALLOW, NOT REQUIRE A BAR FOR SHOPPER BEAUTY SALON TO GO THROUGH THE USE PERMIT BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY CONTROLLED BY THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO IF YOU WANTED TO RENT A ROOM IN YOUR HOME TO A NON-TRANSIENT USE, THAT'S MORE THAN 90 DAYS.
IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A DAYCARE FOR MORE THAN FOUR CHILDREN OR THREE ADULTS, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE FIREARM SALES OR AMMUNITION SALES, THOSE WOULD STILL ALL REQUIRE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL.
SO THE BARBERSHOPS, SO YOU SAID THAT THERE IS NO SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENT FOR BARBERSHOP RIGHT NOW THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE PROPOSAL, THEY, THEY TOOK OUT THAT USE AS A REQUIRED SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE CONTROLLED, THOSE KINDS OF USES THROUGH THE PARKING AND THE NUMBER OF CLIENTS.
SO IF THEY'RE UNDER FOUR, THEY COULD BE BY RIGHT.
UM, RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH UNDER FOUR.
CUSTOMERS OR MAYBE TWO EMPLOYEES AND TWO CUSTOMERS.
WE GOT A HISTORY HERE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
BUT I DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THERE'S A, THERE WAS A NEGATIVE HISTORY OF THE BARBERSHOP BECAUSE OF SOME ISSUES THAT WERE LESS TO FALL INTO THAT.
PRESERVING THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, UH, WAS A, A PRIMARY GOAL OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEY TOOK A LONG TIME TO DISCUSS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SEVERAL MEETINGS WENT, WE WENT THROUGH OUTDOOR STORAGE AND HOW BEST TO HANDLE IT BECAUSE THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF STORAGE REALLY WEIGH HEAVENLY WHEN YOU'RE NEXT TO SOMEBODY.
SO THE, THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FINE IF PEOPLE HAD STORAGE THAT WAS INSIDE OF A BUILDING AND THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT IF THEY WANTED TO STORE OUTSIDE, THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
THEY HAD TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPING AND FENCING, UM, AND TRY TO BUFFER AND SCREEN THAT USE, UM, FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
AND THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN THE 400 FEET OR ONE QUARTER OF THE BUILDING SIZE.
THAT WOULD STILL BE A PART OF THEIR PERCENTAGE.
ANOTHER CONCERN, UH, AND DISCUSSION POINT FOR THE COMMITTEE RELATED TO VEHICLES, PARTICULARLY LARGE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, TRAILERS, TOW TRUCKS, AND OTHER LARGE EQUIPMENT, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW SOME LIGHTWEIGHT VEHICLES AND TRAILERS LESS THAN 17 FEET IN LENGTH IN CONNECTION WITH A HOME OCCUPATION, THEREBY ALLOWING, FOR EXAMPLE, A SMALL CONTRACTORS OR LANDSCAPERS TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE FROM THEIR HOMES AND STORE THOSE VEHICLES.
SO, BUT THIS WOULD BE OFF THE ROAD.
THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE OFF THE ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE WAY THE, UH, COMMITTEE DEFINED LARGER VEHICLES, UM, WAS THROUGH
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THIS USE.SO ANY VEHICLE GROSS WEIGHT OF 19,501 POUNDS OR MORE, THAT'S AN F FIVE 50 OR LARGER.
UM, TRAILERS, UH, GREATER THAN 17 FEET.
UM, HEAVY CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, VERY LARGE VEHICLES, TRACTOR TRAILERS, TOWING IS IN THERE.
UM, VEHICLES STORING FOOD OR BEVERAGES AND OR COMMES COMMERCIAL OR PASSENGER VEHICLES CARRYING 16 OR MORE.
AND THESE ARE ALL DEFINED OUT IN THE PROPOSED NEW SECTION.
AND I JUST HAVE SOME EXAMPLES.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, THE LITTLE FIOS, VERIZON VAN THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO COME IN.
UM, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IN THE UPPER CORNER IS THAT F FOUR 50 OR FIVE 50, WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE 19 FIVE.
AND THEN THE LOWER ONE IN THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE FOR LIKE A LANDSCAPER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
BUT THEN THE, ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS THAT 17 FOOT TRAILER, I THINK THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY AN 18 FOOT TRAILER.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT SIZE WOULD NOT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT NOT ALLOWED.
THE COMMITTEE ALSO AT THE TIME HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TOW AND RECOVERY VEHICLES AND HOW, UM, THOSE SHOULD BE, UM, HANDLED.
SO THE CONCERN IS THE DISRUPTIVE NATURE OF TOW TRUCKS, UM, ESPECIALLY AT LATE AT NIGHT OR EARLY IN MORNING, UH, WHEN THEY'RE STARTING UP TO DO A PICKUP OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
IN ADDITION, THERE WERE, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT IF A VEHICLE WAS BROUGHT BACK ON A TOW TRUCK, IF IT HAD BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT, IT MAY LEAK FLUIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO OVERALL, THE COMMITTEE AGREED THAT TOW AND RECOVERY VEHICLE SHOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THIS GIVES THE NEIGHBORS THE ABILITY TO, UH, HAVE THEIR INPUT.
AND IF, IF THIS GUY, IF THE PERSON WHO IS OPERATING THE TOW TRUCK CAN CONVINCE THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT THEY'LL DO IT IN A GOOD WAY, THEN THE SUP PROCESS WILL BRING ALL OF THAT OUT.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD MAKE LIMIT, WOULD MAKE LIMITED CHANGES TO THE REGULATIONS OF DOCKING WORK BOATS AND OFFLOADING SEAFOOD WHILE OFFERING MORE OPPORTUNITIES BY ELIMINATING RESTRICTIONS FOR CHARGING FOR FEES FOR ADMISSION, DOCKAGE OR WARPAGE, AND ALLOWING SOME ON-PREMISE SALE OF SEAFOOD.
UH, THESE RULES ADEQUATELY GUARD AGAINST THE USE OF, UM, FOR DISEMBARK OR EMBARKMENT OF PASSENGERS BY WATER, AT LEAST IF THERE ARE MORE THAN 16, AN INVESTIGATION OF THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WHICH OCCURRED IN THE NINETIES.
THIS WAS PUT IN THE WORK BOARD WAS PUT IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE IN THE NINETIES.
WE HAD THREE OR FOUR THAT CAME IN IN THE NINETIES AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE SINCE.
UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE A FEW OF THOSE THAT ARE STILL ACTUALLY OPERATING, I WAS GONNA SAY AS WORK BOATS.
UH, BUT SINCE THE ADOPTION, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY.
SO THE LAST SECTION THAT THEY OPERATE, THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THE PROHIBITED HOMOS SECOND.
THE ONE BEHIND ONE BEFORE THAT YOU SAID THE WORK BOATS.
THIS IS THE WORK BOATS RIGHT HERE.
THEY TOOK US TO THE SUPREME COURT TWICE.
THIS COUNTY HISTORY ISSUE, THIS VERY ISSUE RIGHT HERE.
SO I'M NOT SURE WE'VE ADEQUATELY COVERED TO DISCUSS THIS.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, I DON DISCUSS.
AND THE LAST SECTION THAT THEY TALKED ON WAS PROHIBITED USES.
AND THESE ARE USES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED AT ALL, UH, BECAUSE THEY CREATE PROBLEMS WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SET SETTING.
UM, THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THIS SECTION INCLUDE CONVENIENCE STORES, WHICH WE HAVE HAD, ONE THAT WE'VE HAD TO CLOSE DOWN.
UH, SMALL ENGINE AND EQUIPMENT REPAIR, TATTOO PARLORS AND GAMBLING OR GAMING ESTABLISHMENTS.
THESE ARE ALL ONES THAT WE HAVE ADDED TO THAT.
UH, FURTHERMORE, THE COMMITTEE HAD ADDED A PROHIBIT PROHIBITION ON ANY HOME OCCUPATION WHERE THE VEHICLE THAT WOULD TRANSPORT STUFF IS, HAS HAZARDOUS WASTE.
UM, SO THAT, AND THAT WAS A BIG PIECE THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY STUCK IN THERE.
THE OTHER ONE THAT THEY PUT IN AS AN, THAT THEY REMOVED FROM THE EXISTING ORDINANCE IS GIFT SHOPS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONTROLLED BY THE PARKING AND THE NUMBER OF CLIENT CUSTOMER CONTACT.
UM, AL ALSO, JUST BEFORE WE GO AWAY FROM PROHIBITED USES, HOW, I THINK ONE THING WE WANT TO AVOID IS ANY TYPE OF OCCUPATION THAT'S GONNA SEE RETAIL SALES, A STEADY ROTATION OF CUSTOMERS IN AND OUT, OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
IS, IS THAT ADDRESSED ANYWHERE HERE UNDER THE PROHIBITED USES THE COMMITTEE? I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THESE ADDRESS THAT, BUT IN IN GENERAL, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO HAVE A RETAIL OUTLET ESTABLISHMENT AS A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
'CAUSE IT JUST GENERATES TOO MUCH TRAFFIC IF PEOPLE IN AND OUT.
I MEAN, AND THAT SEVERELY AFFECTS THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AND IN MOST CASES
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YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION.THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE DID HAVE, LIKE I SAID, WE DID HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH SOMEONE OPENED LIKE A CONVENIENCE STORE OUTTA THEIR GARAGE THAT THEY JUST ROLLED THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN AND THEY HAD SHELVES FULL OF STUFF AND PEOPLE WERE COMING IN AND OUT.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS SHUT DOWN, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS CREATING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND IT WAS, IT WAS NOT A USE THAT WAS ALLOWED.
WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO SET UP A TRY TO BE THE NEXT AMAZON STARTER WITH A, WITH A BIG BOOKSTORE IN THEIR, IN THEIR GARAGE AND PEOPLE COMING BY AND LOOKING AT BOOKS AND BUYING IT.
WE WANTED TO THAT SAME, WE DON'T WANNA AVOID THAT SAME TYPE OF TRAFFIC TOO, SO.
AND THOSE WOULD BE HANDLED IF THEY, IF IT WAS ALLOWED BY USE, IT WOULD BE, UM, THROUGH THAT PARKING AND CLI NUMBER OF CLIENTS, CUSTOMERS COMING TO THE, THE SITE.
SO WE MAY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ON A PER IN, IN A, IN AN AMOUNT OF TIME BASIS AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE BUT SO MANY AT ANY ONE TIME AND YOU CAN'T, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME CAN'T BE WITH SO MUCH EITHER MM-HMM.
WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO LIKE THAT EFFECT.
WHAT ABOUT, YOU SAID WE GOT SOME SPECIFICS HERE.
WHAT ABOUT, I MEAN, I CAN ALMOST SEE SOMEBODY OPENING UP A, UM, KIND OF ALONG THESE LINES, A MEDICINAL A HO HOME HOED, UH, REMEDIES AND SO FORTH.
AND WE THAT, WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE IN THE, WE'VE HAD THOSE IN THE COUNTY NOW THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE FOR ME PROCESS.
SO WE PERMIT THEM, OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
IT WAS LIKE ONE OF OUR FORMER BOARD MEMBERS WIVES MEMBERS.
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A, A CONVENIENCE STORE WHERE YOU'RE JUST COMING BY SHOPPING OFF THE SHELF.
THEY MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, THEY COME BY.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE SHOPPING OFF THE SHELVES.
MOST OF THE HOME OCCUPATIONS WE'VE SEEN ARE PEOPLE WHERE THEY DO IT BY APPOINTMENT ONLY BECAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR HOME TO BE OVERLY BURDENED EITHER.
SO THE COMMITTEE, UM, REVIEWED AND CRAFTED NEW LANGUAGE, UH, WITH STAFF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR CITIZENS WHO WANT TO OPERATE A BUSINESS FROM THEIR HOME WHILE STILL OFFERING PROTECTIONS TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS THROUGH THE USE PERMIT PROCESS.
UM, AND KEEPING THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT INTERFERE WITH THE PEACEFUL ENJOYMENT OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
IT IS NOTED THAT THE, THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CITIZEN SURVEY WE DID, WE PUT QUESTIONS IN THERE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS.
UM, ONLY 12% OPPOSED THE GROWTH OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.
AND SO THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED, UM, BY THE COMMITTEE TRIED TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN HOME-BASED BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND I, BEING THE STAFF MEMBER TO IT, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIASED, BUT I THINK THAT THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF, OF MAKING THAT BALANCE THERE.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW IT AND THEY MADE ONE CLARIFICATION IN THE WORDING.
UM, UH, DOWN, DOWN IN THE FURTHER SECTION, JUST WE'RE ADDING THE WORD ON OR FROM WHEN IT COMES TO HEAVY TRUCKS OPERATING FROM A PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT MAINLY CAME FROM OUR OYSTER OPERA GRADER GENTLEMAN WHO WANTED TO HAVE LARGE TR TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING IN AND OUT OF HIS TRUCK.
AND SO THIS PROHIBITS FROM IT ON OR FROM YES.
BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT RESOLUTION SEVEN TO ZERO.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH THAT BECAUSE YOU COVERING, I I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THEN I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, UH, KRINER WHO SAID ON THIS, UH, YES.
SO HE HAS LARGE VEHICLES COMING INTO AND FROM HIS PROPERTY, 12 ACRES.
AND IT'S NEAR CO COLONY, UH, YORK COLONY, BUT HE'S ACROSS THE STREET.
HE OWNS A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IS THIS GONNA PROHIBIT HIM FROM HAVING LARGE TRUCKS ON HIS PROPERTY? UM, LET ME FIND THAT SECTION WHERE IT SAYS IT SO I CAN BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC FOR YOU.
I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T QUITE SEE WHERE, HOW THAT WOULD, UH, IT IS ON, UH, THIS PAGE IN THIS BOOK OR WHATEVER IT IS, IS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS PAGE 13, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF, IT'S WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT HIS, UH, UM, HIS COMPANY.
HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS.
AND HIS CONCERN WAS NOT ALLOWING TRUCKS TO DO LARGE TRUCKS TO DO THAT.
AND SO IT WAS, UM, IT'S UNDER, SO LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE MARKED UP.
SO IT IS GOING TO BE YEAH, IT IS RIGHT HERE IN THE BACK.
OH, WELL SHOOT, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT ON HERE FOR SOME REASON.
SO PAGE SEVEN F SO IT SAYS, ANY COMMERCIAL OR PASSENGER VEHICLES AS DEFINED BELOW, UTILIZED AS A HOME OCCUPATION SHALL BE PARKED, STORED ON
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OR OPERATED FROM.AND THEN THEY ADDED THE WORDS OR ON THE PROPERTY, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S OR ON IS NOT ON THERE.
I'M NOT, I DON'T HAVE A PAGE REFERENCE.
THIS I SHOW LIKE PAGE 16 OR SO.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES, IT'S PAGE 20 OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT THE TOP.
PAGE DID YOU FIND PAGE 20? YOU FIND F YOU'LL SEE THE BLUE LETTER STANDING OUT THERE ON F THAT'S WHAT THEY ADDED.
THE ON OR A HOME OCCUPATION IS WHAT THEY ADDED.
THEY ADDED THE WORDS ON OR IS THE ONLY THING THAT THEY ADDED.
ON OR ON PARKED ON STORE ON OR OPERATED FROM ON OR FROM, YEAH.
OR OPERATED ON OR FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THOSE WOULD BE THOSE LARGER VEHICLES.
LIKE ANYTHING OVER 19,500 GROSS SWING.
SO IN YOUR COUNTY WE HAVE AN AREA THAT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT.
UH, THAT OFFICE 17, THE SPACE IS PROBABLY PRE, I WOULDN'T, I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT COULD BE PREZONING.
UM, IT'S GOT THE SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND IT.
SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY, PROBABLY RF NOW WE DON'T EVEN KNOW.
I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT R SEVEN, MAYBE FOR A TRAILER SIZE.
SO HE'S THAT HE'S PARKING HIS VEHICLE ON HIS PROPERTY, WHICH NO WAY IN HECK YOU CAN HIDE IT.
SO HIS BUSINESS, I GUESS MIGHT BE TAKING HIS TRUCK AND GOING, GOING, UH, GETTING THE LOAD, GOING ACROSS COUNTRY, COMING BACK EVERY NOW AND THEN, AND THEN COMING BACK HERE.
SO IF HE OPERATES THAT BUSINESS OUT OF HIS HOUSE, IS HE IN VIOLATION? YES.
BECAUSE HIS VEHICLE WOULD BE A TRACTOR TRAILER, WHICH WAS, IS ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT PERMIT.
BUT, BUT IF HE JUST HAS THE CAB AND NOT THE, NOT THE TRAILER BECAUSE YOU GOTTA HOOK UP WHOLE THING.
NOW, IF HE DROVE FOR ANOTHER COMPANY AND IT WASN'T A HOME-BASED BUSINESS, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THAT? WELL, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PARKING THOSE VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY.
NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, I THINK THERE ARE REG, THERE ARE REGULATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT DON'T ALLOW THOSE LARGE VEHICLE VEHICLES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF SEEING THIS IN.
AND I WAS WONDERING HOW IS THIS GONNA SQUARE WITH THE, THE, OR, YOU KNOW, LARGE VEHICLE PARKING RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, PARKING ON, IN FRONT OF HOMES, ALL VDOT RIGHT.
OF WAY TO GIVE US A, THEY GIVE US A RESTRICTION.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT, UH, PEOPLE, CITIZENS HERE THAT HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WE RESTRICTED SCHOOL BUSES AND WHERE PEOPLE COULD, THEY, UH, YOU GO DOWN TO THIS ONE, ONE SUBDIVISION IN MY DISTRICT WHERE IT WASN'T UNCOMMON TO FIND FIVE OR SIX SCHOOL BUSES PARKED IN A MODULAR HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.
MEANING THE ROADS, THE HOUSES WEREN'T BIG.
SO THEY WERE CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEY HAD TO BE PARKED ON THE ROAD.
SCHOOL BUSES STILL ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
WELL, IF IT'S PARKED ON THE ROAD, THESE REGULATIONS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT.
THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, GOING IN AND THEY FALL UNDER.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE RESTRICTION ON LARGE VEHICLES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, BUT I'M, IF IT'S ON THE ROAD, THESE REGULATIONS DON'T REALLY ADDRESS IT BECAUSE THESE ARE FOR THE PROPERTY.
I, I THINK THE SCHOOL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BY FORCING ALL THE SCHOOL BUS DRIVERS TO BRING THE BUSES, BUSES, SCHOOL, THEY MOVED ALL THE BUSES.
BUT I JUST, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT'S GONNA FIT.
SO THE NEXT STEPS WOULD, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND SCHEDULED A PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING ON JUNE 18TH.
THAT WAY WE CAN GET PUBLIC INPUT ON WHERE IT IS.
AND THEN, UM, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, UM, ON, ON WHAT I PROPOSED TONIGHT.
UM, OKAY, LET ME, LET ME, GOTTA A BREAK.
I WANNA RECALL IF I STILL REMEMBER 'EM.
UM, THE ONES, THE BARBERSHOP, THERE WAS A CASE, GOSH, CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS AGO, WELL OVER A DECADE, UH, WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL, IT WAS NOT IN A, UH, A PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE HAD JUST BOUGHT THEIR LOTS AND THEY WERE KIND OF LIVING ON THE SAME STREET.
UH, PROBABLY DOWN TO WHAT USED TO BE THE OLD DAIRY QUEEN ON, ON 1 3 4 MM-HMM.
BACK ON ONE OF THOSE STREETS IN THERE, I THINK IT WAS OAK STREET.
AND THE INDIVIDUAL BOUGHT HIS HOUSE AND UH, ACTUALLY HE HAD IT BUILT AND WHAT WE BECAME FOR THE BOARD FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A BARBERSHOP.
WHAT HE HAD DONE THOUGH IS HE HAD ALREADY INSTALLED INTO THE CONCRETE OF HIS, HIS GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, THEY PLANTED 'EM IN THERE.
SO HE WAS GONNA HAVE HIS BARBERSHOP.
AND THEY, AGAIN, THIS WAS NOT AN HOA KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
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WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, AND AGAIN, A LOT OF IT, AS MANY OF THESE GO, IT, IT'S PERSONALITY DRIVEN.SO IF YOU GO IN AND YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A BUTT, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU NOT GONNA WIN A LOT OF FRIENDS.
RIGHT? WELL, HE DIDN'T WIN ANY FRIENDS.
AND SO HE CAME TO US ALMOST AFTER THE FACT AND WE TURN IT DOWN.
SO THAT MEANS THAT BARBERSHOPS CAN BE A PROBLEM.
AND THAT WAS KIND OF A BIG PROBLEM 'CAUSE BECAUSE IN THAT TIME WE WERE STILL STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
SO WE'RE JUST, WE'VE GOT, I KNOW WE HAVE QUITE A FEW, UH, QUITE A FEW, UH, UH, BEAUTY SALONS, BEAUTY SALONS AND, AND, AND BARBER SHOPS AND, AND HOME OCCUPATION, OCCUPATIONAL BUSINESS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RUNNING IN, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN YOUR DISTRICT AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE TELLING YOUR NEIGHBOR, TELLING YOUR CONSTITUENTS YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IS A PROBLEM.
BUT IF YOU HAVE BEAUTY SHOPS, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE BY NOT HAVING BARBER SHOPS.
I, WELL, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S, IF IT WAS HANDLED CORRECTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET ONE CUSTOMER WOULD COME IN, MAYBE THEY GET THREE CUSTOMERS A DAY OR MAYBE TWO A DAY AND, AND YOU GO IN THERE AND PEOPLE COME OVER, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GO TO IT.
WELL, BUT IT'S LIMITED TO, LIMITED TO FOUR PEOPLE AT ANY ONE TIME.
AT ONE TIME THAT'S, WELL THAT, AND THAT INCLUDES EMPLOYEE A DAY OR ONE THAT INCLUDES THE ONE THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE WORKERS.
YOU HAD TWO, YOU HAD TWO BARBERS AND TWO CLIENTS.
I MEAN, YOU GOT A, THAT'S A GOOD UP, BIG UP BARBERSHOP.
I MEAN, GREEN'S DOWN HERE ONLY HAS THREE TAPE, THREE UH, THREE UH, CHAIRS.
AND NORMALLY THERE'S ONLY TWO BARBERS IN THERE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WAITING? HUH? SIX.
YOU'LL GET A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WAITING.
BUT SIX PARKING, PARKING ISSUES.
AND I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENCE WITH THE HOME OCCUPATION THAT I BELIEVE YOU, WE WEREN'T EXPECT THEM TO GET STACKED UP.
SO YOU WANT TO HAVE A WAITING ROOM.
PEOPLE SITTING IN THEIR CARS WAITING, THEY GONNA COME AT THEIR POINT TIME TO GET THEIR HAIRCUT.
MY ONLY CONCERN, STEVE, IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, WHERE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING OUT ABOUT IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT.
SO HOW CAN WE WORK THAT? SO IF, IF THEY'RE OP, LET'S JUST MAKE THE SPECULATION THAT SOMEONE DECIDES THEY WANNA PUT A BARBER SHOP IN THEIR HOME AND THEY PUT THE TWO CHAIRS IN.
THEY GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE.
THEY, LET'S SAY IT'S A HALF ACRE LOT.
THEY'VE GOT FOUR PARKING SPACES.
WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THEY HAVE SIX.
THAT WAY THEY HAVE TWO FOR THE HOME AND THEY HAVE UP TO FOUR PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN BE SERVICING AT ONE TIME.
IF THEY FOR SOME REASON WOULD, YOU KNOW, START STACKING BY, BY, RIGHT, BY RIGHT.
UM, SO THEN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO IT.
WELL, IT'S, BUT I MEAN WE, WELL, COMING THROUGH COMPLAINTS.
WE HAVE HAD A LOT PEOPLE START COMPLAINING AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
SO YOU'RE IN A, YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, THEN I MEAN, JUST THINK I'M THINKING OF THE VOLUME.
BECAUSE FOUR PEOPLE IN, IN A HOUSE WAITING TO GET, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO SEATS WAITING FOR SOMEBODY.
YOU'VE GOT FOUR CARS OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, UNLESS YOU, IF YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GOT FOUR ADDITIONAL CARS PLUS YOUR CARS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU MAY HAVE THREE CARS.
WHAT ABOUT THE KIDS? YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE PARKING IN THE STREET AND THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE THEY LIVE THERE.
WELL, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT IS IN THERE IS ALL PARKING, EVEN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL HAS TO BE OFF THE STREET.
SO IF WE WERE TO ROLL UP AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF CARS IN THE STREET, THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE BY HAVING TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY? AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A, AS YOU'VE SAID, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR BEAUTY SALONS AND BARTER SHOPS THAT HAVE COME IN.
AND NONE OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HAVE BEEN TO THAT EXTENT.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING THAT MANY PEOPLE COME TO THEIR HOME.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE, WE COULD TALK ALL NIGHT ABOUT WORST CASE SCENARIO AND IT COULD HAPPEN.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULDN'T, UH, BUT THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED IT QUITE A LOT ABOUT HOW BEST TO HANDLE IT.
AND THEY FELT THAT FOUR IS THE, WAS THE MAGIC NUMBER.
I MEAN, YOU COULD, YOU COULD SAY IT LESS, YOU COULD SAY THREE, YOU COULD SAY TWO IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT FOR THAT MUCH.
AND TOM, THAT'S NOT FOUR CUSTOMERS.
WHETHER IT'S TWO BARBERS AND TWO CUSTOMERS OR ONE.
WELL I THOUGHT IT WAS FOUR CUSTOMERS.
MAKING HOMEOWNER FOUR TOTAL INCLUDED.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU GO, I, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN'T TELL MY, I GOTTA TELL MY CONSTITUENTS NO, YOU CAN'T.
AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, GUESS, UH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BY.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GET THESE WHAT ABOUT THE AFTER
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AFTER THE EFFECT, AFTER THE FACT KIND OF THING THAT GOES, OH GEEZ.IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE IS NO, AFTER THE FACT YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH YOUR BUSINESS, GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE AND NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM AT TIMES.
IT JUST, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
THE OTHER ONE'S A BOAT THEN SEAFOOD, BOAT ISSUES.
THIS HAS BEEN A REAL, THIS WAS A REAL PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY.
THEY ENDED UP HAVING A LAW CHANGE AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND TWO TOURS UP WITH THE, UH, THE SUPREME COURT.
UM, AND SO WE END UP WITH A SITUATION WHERE A GUY IS DOING A LOT OF IT'S OYSTERING OKAY.
AND NOT THESE BIG DEAD RISES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY PULL UP AND TAKE, STORE THEIR EQUIPMENT ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
REAL CLOSE IN TO THEIR NEIGHBORS AND IT SMELLS OKAY.
SEAFOOD STINKS WHEN IT'S ROTTEN
SO HOW DOES ALL THIS WORK? SO DOCKING A WORK BOATS IS STILL A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO IT STILL REQUIRES THEM TO COME IN, BUT IF THEY GET APPROVED, THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE, UM, LE THEY HAVE LESS LIMITATIONS.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO, YOU KNOW, A SELLING OF SEAFOOD FROM THEIR PROPERTY, THEY COULD, BUT AGAIN, IT'S STILL SPECIAL.
IT'S STILL A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD.
THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THOSE, THOSE SPECIFICATIONS.
IT'S NOT A BY RIGHT USE AND THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET THE RESIDENTS APPROVAL AROUND THEM.
SO IT'D BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL THAT LONG.
THERE'S SOME TIE TO THAT BECAUSE YEP.
UH, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN MY DISTRICT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OUR HERE, WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD OUR UP TO HERE.
AND WE HAVE NOT HAD AN APPLICATION SINCE 1990 WHEN WE, WHEN THE BOARD ORIGINALLY PUT THIS IN THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION, WE HAD LIKE A, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CHANGED THE ORDINANCE IN 1990 TO ADD IT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS SIX APPLICATIONS, FOUR OF THOSE WERE APPROVED.
AND I THINK TWO OF THOSE ARE STILL OPERATING RIGHT NOW.
THEY WERE DIFF THOSE ARE KIND OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
WE ENDED UP, PIPS WAS IN ABOUT 2006 OR 2005.
AND, UM, THE WORK BOAT WAS SIMPLY A BOAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, 16 FEET OR SO THAT THEY JUST DROVE OUT INTO THE OYSTER THINGS AND BROUGHT THE OYSTER THINGS.
BUT THE NETS, I MEAN THE CAGES OR WHATEVER.
AND IT JUST ENDED UP CAUSING A BIG PROBLEM OR THE DEFINITION OF AGRICULTURE HAD TO BE CHANGED.
SO MY, AS LONG AS WE'RE WE DON'T HAVE CREATING A PROBLEM THAT WE CAN'T RESOLVE.
AND HE NEVER APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS WE'RE WELL AWARE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IN THAT CASE WAS THE, THE BUSINESS WAS BEING CONDUCTED ON THE PIER AND IN AND IN THE HOME.
AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON OFF THE PIER WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE COUNTY CONTROL.
WE JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL GUYS.
I MEAN IT'S, I'M ALL FOR THE, I'M ALL FOR THE BUSINESSES, BUT WE'VE GOT, IF WE LOSE CONTROL OF OUR ABILITY TO, TO REGULATE THESE THINGS, IT CAN BE A PROBLEM.
I THINK THE PHILOSOPHY FOR HOME-BASED BUSINESS HAS CHANGED.
WHEN WE FIRST GOT GOING ON THIS, IT WAS FOR PEOPLE TO GET ESTABLISHED IN A BUSINESS AND THEN HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD MOVE TO SOME OF OUR EMPTY SPACES AND RENT THEM AND, AND MOVE THEIR BUSINESSES THERE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENED.
IT HAS HAPPENED IN SOME INSTANCES.
HAS IT IN A FEW, A FEW WHERE PEOPLE HAVE OPERATED IN THEIR HOME AND THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GROWN TO THE SIZE WHERE THEY COULD THEN MOVE OUT INTO A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE OF SOME KIND.
IT'S NOT LIKE SUPER ABUNDANT, YOU KNOW.
I WAS GONNA SAY, MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WEATHER TOO.
I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN GIVE, I CAN, I CAN GIVE AT LEAST ONE EXAMPLE THAT I KNOW OF.
WELL SEE, I DO, AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT ONE, WE'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE THAT RAISES A GOOD QUESTION.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND IT IS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET ESTABLISHED AND THEN MOVE ON.
SO IF YOU WORK FOR A COMPANY, OKAY.
UM, CONSUMER CELLULAR, YOU NAME IT, SYSTEM TWEAK OR WHATEVER, ANY CLEVER BRIDGE OR ANY OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES, THEY'RE LARGER KIND OF DISASSOCIATED.
AND I THINK YOU, YOU PROBABLY WORK FOR ONE AND YOU WORK OUTTA YOUR HOUSE.
IS THAT CONSIDERED AS A HOME BASE BUSINESS? SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE JUST HAVE YOUR OFFICE OUT OF YOUR HOME, YOU'RE FINE.
YOU COULD JUST APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND THESE REGULATIONS DON'T, DON'T ALL DON'T CHANGE THAT.
YOU COULD STILL DO THAT WITH THESE REGULATIONS.
I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD A, A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAD SIX OR EIGHT CARS COMING IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG BECAUSE OF YOUR JOB, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
IT COULD BE AN ISSUE COULD BE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD COMPLAIN ABOUT IT.
WELL, I'VE SEEN HOME-BASED BUSINESSES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY BUILD LITTLE WIDGETS AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THE FEDEX TRUCKS MM-HMM.
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AT YOUR HOUSE.AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM OR NOT.
FOR SOME PEOPLE THEY GOT AMAZON TRUCKS COMING TO THEIR HOUSE EVERY OTHER HOUR DROPPING STUFF OFF MY
I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO A STICKY WICKET THERE.
I JUST, MY WHOLE CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT WE GOTTA BE, WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE, WE DON'T LOSE CONTROL OF OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT WILL 'CAUSE A HOME, A RESIDENCE, A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS PRINCIPALLY A RESIDENTIAL AREA, NOT A BUSINESS.
WELL THAT, THAT'S A LOT TO DIGEST.
WELL, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, WILL WE, TOM, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? I'M DONE.
SO WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, AS, AS EARL SAID, CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 21.
I BELIEVE IT WAS EVEN BEFORE I WAS ON THAT COMMISSION.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOME ISSUES AT THE TIME.
AND I KNOW THAT EARL AND OTHERS, UH, CHRIS DAVIDSON AT THE TIME WAS ON THE CHAMBER AND HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN PULLING A LOT OF THIS TOGETHER.
AND HE HAD MET WITH FOLKS AND THERE WERE ISSUES AROUND NOISE AND PARKING AND STORAGE AND SIGNAGE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S BEEN INCORPORATED IN HERE YET.
UH, SO I, I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF GO BACK AND REVISIT SOME OF THOSE NOTES AND SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE FLAGGED BACK IN 21 TO SEE HAVE WE CAPTURED THOSE ISSUES.
UM, I'M CONCERNED PERSONALLY THAT WE GO TO BUY.
UM, I'VE BEEN TAINTED BY BUY RIGHT.
WITH MY WAREHOUSING DISCUSSIONS.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE A LIST OF APPROVED BUSINESSES IN HERE, WHICH, WHICH WE'VE HAD HISTORICALLY.
AND IF THAT LIST NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED, DOUBLED OR TRIPLED OR QUADRUPLED, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF BUSINESS THAT WE INCLUDE IN HOME BUSINESS AND WHAT WE DON'T.
A VAPE SHOP RIGHT NOW DOESN'T SHOW UP ON YOUR PROHIBITED LIST.
AND I DON'T WANT A VAPE SHOP
MAYBE THERE'S, THERE'S EXAMPLES LIKE THAT THAT STRETCH THE BOUNDARIES.
AND I'D BE REMISS IF I ALLOWED A BUYRIGHT CONDITION TO GO THROUGH THAT DIDN'T CAPTURE A LOT OF THOSE.
WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS SHOULD BE PROHIBITED, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE LIST RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S GOT ME, THAT'S GOT ME CONCERNED.
WOULD IT BE UNDER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IT SHOULD BE.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE, AND THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE WOULD TURN IT DOWN.
BUT THAT'S MY POINT IS LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE LIST OF WHAT'S APPROVED AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF EXAMPLES OUT THERE.
OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE THROUGH AND UPDATED THEIR LIST TO INCLUDE A LOT OF THE, UH, MORE RECENT, UH, BUSINESSES THAT YOU SEE SHOWING UP.
WE'RE GETTING 20, 30 BUSINESSES A MONTH NOW SIGNING UP FOR BUSINESS LICENSES.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OUR OWN DATABASE AND EXPAND IT DRAMATICALLY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT FITS AND WHAT DOESN'T FIT IN A HOME BUSINESS.
UM, I'M JUST, I'M REMISS TO JUST SAY IT'S BUY RIGHT.
UNLESS IT'S ON THE PROHIBITED LIST.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS, AND HOW MANY FAMILIES OR FAMILY MEMBERS LIVE AT THESE SAME HOUSES? MORE AND MORE, YOU'RE SEEING BUSINESSES OPEN UP WHERE AN EXTENDED FAMILY MEMBER IS OPENING UP A BUSINESS, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A ONE OR TWO OR MORE GENERATIONS LIVING IN THAT PLACE.
AND, AND YOU JUST QUESTION HOW, HOW BUSY IS THAT GOING TO BE IF YOU NOW OPEN UP A BUSINESS ON TOP OF A VERY LARGE FAMILY SITUATION? AND SHOULD THERE BE A, SHOULD THERE BE A CAP? SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT? I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN HERE.
STRIKES ME THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
AH, HOW WOULD WE CAPTURE I DON'T KNOW THAT.
UH, I MEAN I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY IS WHAT IN THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT THE REGULATIONS ADDRESSED.
REGULAT IS THE NUMBER OF CARS.
IF THEY, THAT'S THE REGULATION.
IF THE FAMILY MEMBERS ALL PARK ON THE ROADWAY, THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU CAN'T, THE, THE REGULATIONS SAY ALL PARKING, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL, HAVE TO BE OFF STREET.
SO RESIDENTIAL PLUS NOT JUST THE EMPLOYEE.
IT'S CORRECT BECAUSE I READ IT AS EMPLOYEE PLUS.
IT'S ALL, ALL PARKING RELATED TO THE HOME OCCUPATION AND THE RESIDENCE.
IF YOU HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION.
ALL THE PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF STREET.
AND, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT TOM WAS KIND OF TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BEFORE.
WELL WHAT IF YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF KIDS AND THEY'RE PARKING ON THE STREET.
WELL THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEN THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEEING A MORE INTENSE USE THAN CAN FIT ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WERE THE MAIN CONCERNS WHEN IT CAME TO
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THESE KIND OF THINGS.AND YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE OF A VAPE SHOP.
SO A VAPE SHOP THAT ONLY, YOU KNOW, SERVICE THREE OR FOUR CUSTOMERS A DAY WOULD STILL BE A PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE IT'S A VAPE SHOP OR THEY WERE JUST SELLING TOBACCO.
BUT I MEAN, MOST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MOST OF THE HOME OCCUPATIONS, THEY'RE NOT INTENSIVE AT ALL.
EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU AS SPECIAL USE PERMITS WHERE YOU'VE GOT CUSTOMER CLIENTS COMING ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE, EVEN LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST MONTH'S, UM, FIREARMS GUY, I MEAN HE'S WORKING FROM 10 O'CLOCK TO TWO O'CLOCK.
HE'S MAYBE GONNA HAVE TWO CUSTOMERS A WEEK AT MOST.
AND AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WITH ALL THOSE FIREARM GUYS.
YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GETTING ONE OR TWO CUSTOMERS A WEEK.
AND, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL, I MEAN WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE HOME OCCUPATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INTENSE.
I MEAN, EVEN ONES THAT HAVE CUSTOMER CLIENT CONTACT, LIKE THE BEAUTY SHOPS AND BARBER SHOPS, THEY MAY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE CUSTOMERS A DAY COMING IN AND OUT.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT NOBODY, BUT WE TURN DOWN THAT SOMEONE NOTICES.
WE TURNED DOWN A, A FIREARM REPAIR SHOP IN YOUR DISTRICT.
BUT THAT'S STILL A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I WAS JUST USING AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THE INTENSITY OF THE USE WHEN THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT IT, THE THINGS THAT THEY KEPT SEEING WHERE PEOPLE HAD CONCERNS, WHAT WERE PARKING AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY FELT IT WOULD BE BEST TO REGULATE IT RATHER THAN A LIST OF USES.
'CAUSE LIKE RIGHT NOW WE LIST ACCOUNTANTS.
WE LIST, UM, WE A LOT OF THEM, YEAH.
I MEAN WE LIST QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS.
DAYCARE UNDER FOUR CHILDREN, DRESS MAKERS, SEAMSTRESS, TAILORS, HOME CRAFTS SUCH AS MODELING, MAKING RUGS, WEAVING OFFICE FACILITIES FOR CLERGY.
UM, OFFICE FACILITY FOR A RESIDENT SALES PERSON.
HOME OFFICES FOR ACCOUNTANTS, ARCHITECTS, ARTISTS, LAWYERS, TELEPHONE ANSWERING SERVICES, PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIOS, TUTORING, LIKE MUSIC VOICE LESSONS.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE ARE LISTED CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND THE, THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REMOVE THOSE AND REALLY REGULATE THEM MORE WITH THE PARKING AND THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE WE MAINTAIN THE LIST.
IF, IF THERE'S ONE HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT I THINK PUSHES THE LIMITS THAT I'VE SEEN IN MANY PLACES IN THE COUNTY, IT'S, IT'S, UH, LAWN CARE SERVICING.
SO WHERE YOU SEE MULTIPLE VEHICLES AND TRUCKS AND TRAILERS BACKED UP ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE STORED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S, BUT THOSE AREN'T ALLOWED.
SO THEY WELL THEY ARE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT.
SO IF THEY'RE PARKED ON THE PROPERTY, THEY, THEY SHOULDN'T, THEY SHOULDN'T BE THAT WITH THE CHANGES THE ORDINANCE.
THEY WOULD BE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY WOULD BE LIMITED IN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THEY COULD HAVE ON THE SITE IN ADDITION TO THE TRAILERS.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE TRAILER WOULD BE ONE VEHICLE, THE TRUCK WOULD BE ANOTHER.
SO THAT'S TWO VEHICLES RIGHT THERE.
BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED NOW.
SO THAT IF YOU SEE CARS, YOU CERTAINLY CAN BE PORT 'EM.
THEY'RE OUT THERE, THEY'RE OUT.
I CAN THINK OF HALF A DOZEN EXAMPLES JUST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THERE ARE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BRING THEIR VEHICLES HOME, A LOT OF WORK VEHICLES.
YOU SEE VERIZON, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT VEHICLES THAT PEOPLE BRING HOME, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WORK FROM BUDS, WHATEVER IT IS.
YOU KNOW, SEE 'EM ALL THE TIME PARKED IN THERE.
AND SO THE, THE COMMITTEE DID LOOK AT THAT AND THEY FELT THAT, WELL IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE REGULATING THOSE KIND OF VEHICLES, THEN ARE WE REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE LANDSCAPER WHO CAN FIT THOSE VEHICLES ON HIS PROPERTY ALONG WITH HIS RESIDENTIAL PARKING.
SO YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON, ON THE GUIDELINES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE EXAMPLE THAT'S GONNA COME UP THAT'S GONNA PUSH THE BATTERY.
SO, BUT THREE YEARS AGO WHEN I BEGAN EXPLORING THE WHOLE HOMEBASED BUSINESS CONCEPT, UM, AND I WAS AMAZED TO SEE THAT NUMBER THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE BUSINESS LICENSE IN YORK COUNTY ARE HOME BASE OCCUPATIONS.
SO YOU LOOK AT ALL THE, THE BUSINESSES ALONG 17 VICTORY BOULEVARD, 1 34 AND SO FORTH, DOWN INDUSTRIAL, UM, PARK AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S ONLY A THIRD OF ALL THE BUSINESSES.
SO, UM, SO THAT TWO THIRDS EQUATES TO X.
WHAT IS THE NUMBER, ROUND NUMBER? I WOULD HATE TO THROW THE NUMBER OUT THERE, BUT CHRISTIE'S LOOKING THERE, IT'S AROUND 26 OR 2,700 ON OUR LAST LIST.
SO 2,700 HOME BASED BUSINESS IN NEW YORK COUNTY.
CLEARLY THAT MODEL IS SUCCESSFUL AND WORKS.
UM, I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE, I GOT A GENTLEMAN THAT, UM, DOES REALLY INTRICATE MODEL PLANES.
UM, UM, THAT'S, AND AND OTHER BUSINESSES AROUND THAT, JUST, JUST WALKING AROUND TALK, TALKING TO PEOPLE.
UM, UM, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED THESE DAYS WHERE THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT
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YOU CAN DO OUTTA YOUR HOME IS, HAS EXPANDED WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME SMALL SCALE MANUFACTURING.UH, YOU CAN SET UP A 3D PRINT FARM IN YOUR GARAGE AND CREATE WIDGETS ALL DAY LONG.
AND NO ONE, NO ONE WOULD EVER KNOW.
AND YOU'RE JUST, AND YOU CAN AND YOU, YOU CAN MAKE A VIABLE BUSINESS OUTTA THAT.
SO YOU RUN THE GAMUT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE FULL-TIME OCCUPATIONS TO SIDE HUSTLES, TO JUST MONETIZING THEIR HOBBY, TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENSES THEY SPEND ON, ON EQUIPMENT AND, AND MATERIAL.
SO THE, THE MODEL WORKS AS SUCCESSFUL AND BY AND LARGE YOU DON'T SEE IT.
SO THE TRICK IS WHATEVER WE DO IS TO MAINTAIN THAT RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER MM-HMM.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY MAY GROW INTO SURE.
A BRICK AND MORTAR STORE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THEY MAY STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT, WHAT WHATEVER IT WORKS, IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, SERVICE THEM AS BEST WE CAN.
AND, UM, ENCOURAGING THOSE FOLKS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD DRONES, YOU KNOW, LITTLE RACING DRONES OUT, OUT OF THE GARAGE.
UM, AND ALL ALL, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES NOW.
THEY DIDN'T EXIST 10 YEARS AGO.
SO, BUT AGAIN, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THAT RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER? WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LIVING IN A, IN A SHOPPING CENTER WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY PULL DOWN INTO THEIR, YOU KNOW, HOME.
AND, AND A LOT OF THAT KIND OF ADDRESSES THAT.
UM, BUT A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SO THE, THE PARK, THE OFF STREET PARKING THAT HAS TO BE ON A DRIVEWAY THERE, THEY CAN'T JUST DRIVE UP IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND JUST PARK WILLY-NILLY.
AND THEY HAVE TO BE ON A SURFACE PARK.
BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY POLICE VEHICLES ON VDOT MAINTAIN ROADS? I MEAN, THE COUNTY CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PARK THAT VEHICLE ON THE, ON A BDOT ROAD.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT? I MEAN, WITHIN THE HOME OCCUPATION, UM, APPLICATION PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE APPLICATION THAT, THAT WOULD SAY THAT ALL PARKING HAS TO BE OFF THE STREET.
THE ONLY WAY WE CAN REGULATE WHAT PARKS ON THE, THE STREET IS THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ANYBODY'S PARKING ON THE STREET ILLEGALLY.
THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS TO GO AND ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS.
SO THE ONLY REASON THAT WOULD MAKE THAT ILLEGAL IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING THE BUSINESS OUTTA THEIR HOME.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE, IF THAT DAY THEY'RE NOT RUNNING THE BUSINESS, THEY'RE HAVING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OVER FOR BARBECUE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA PARK UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
BUT YOU CAN'T RUN 'EM OUTTA THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING THE BUSINESS.
I MEAN, IT, IT, WELL, MORE THAN LIKELY THE SITUATION.
SO WITH ZONING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO CALL AND COMPLAIN.
WE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND INVESTIGATE.
AND IF IT'S OCCURRING ENOUGH FOR US TO SEE IT, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE HAVING A PARTY.
I MEAN, IF WE ROLL UP ON THERE AND SOMEONE'S HAVING A PARTY, THEN YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR, THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, WE'RE HAVING A PARTY, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESS IS NOT RUNNING.
AND THAT'S NORMALLY WHERE I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE STICKIER PARTS TO MANAGE.
BECAUSE ONE THING YOU CAN RUN DOWN YOUR, YOUR BLOCK, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHATSOEVER IS WHEN YOU, ALL THE WORK FANS ARE PARKED IN, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN IT, YOU, YOU GOTTA EASE YOUR WAY BY IT.
IT BECOMES A BIG, BECOMES A BIG MESS.
AND I'VE, AND I'VE SEEN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, HEARD FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT.
SO, AND THAT WOULD BE A DEFINITIVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING IN THERE AND WE'RE SEEING, WE KNOW THAT A BUS, THIS BUSINESS IS OPERATING OUT OF HERE, THIS, YOU KNOW, CHIMNEY CLEANER IS OPERATING OUT OF HERE AND HE'S GOT THREE OF HIS CHIMNEY VANS PARKED DOWN ON THE STREET.
WE CAN, THAT THAT'S AN EASY, YOU KNOW, WRITE UP FOR THE ZONING CODE DIVISION.
UM, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE HEARTBURN ABOUT? SMALL ENGINE REPAIRS? ABOUT WHAT? SMALL ENGINE REPAIRS.
IT'S NOISY AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF IT IS OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WELL, THAT, YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM.
BUT WE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT DOOR STORAGE SEPARATELY.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A BIG TWO CAR TO TASK GARAGE AND YOU WANT TO FIX, YOU KNOW, LAWNMOWERS AND YOU'RE IN THE GARAGE OR THE DOOR CLOSED, WHY DO WE CARE? WE MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE HAD ON THEM HAVE BEEN THE NOISE.
MOST OF 'EM DON'T DO THE WORK INSIDE WELL, BUT THAT WE NEED TO ENFORCE IT.
IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, THEN OKAY.
BUT YOU GOTTA BE OUTTA SIGHT OUT OUTTA MINE.
AND IF YOU ARE, THEN WHY DOES ANYONE CARE? ALRIGHT, NOW GOING BACK TO WHERE IS NOISE ADDRESSED IN HERE? SO NOISE IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION.
OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTY, COUNTY WE HAVE ALL SEPARATE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ALSO MEAN THEY GAVE, IF THERE'S A NOISE COMPLAINT, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP AND THEY ISSUE A NOISE, FIRE, SOMETHING ADDED BY DAY.
UM, BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR THOUGHTS, MR. ROY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT SECTION 24.1 DASH TWO TWO HAS BEEN STRUCK.
AND I, AND I, AND I, AND I GET IT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS.
START SPECIFYING SPECIFIC BUSINESSES OR START SAYING CLASSIFICATIONS OR BUSINESSES ARE BY.
UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE PROBABLY BUSINESSES, NONE OF US EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT ON THIS TABLE THAT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO POPPED UP, YOU WENT, OH, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? MM-HMM.
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I WANT TO RUN, I WANNA RUN A TANNERY OR, OR DO A TAXI DER IN MY GARAGE,'CAUSE THAT'S SMELLING AND IT SMELLS AND SO FORTH.
AND, BUT, BUT WE DID IT BY RIGHT.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO WE GOTTA PUT SOME THOUGHT ABOUT HOW TO CORRAL THAT.
I DON'T WANNA BE TOO, TOO SPECIFIC, BUT WE DO NEED TO PUT SOME VERBIAGE AROUND IN AND KIND OF REVAMP, I THINK HE TELL YOU.
BUT ONE THING ALONG THOSE LINES, ONE THING YOU DO NEED TO REMEMBER IS, SO THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE AS AN HOA AND MOST OF OUR MODERN HOA, OUR PROHIBITIONS AGAINST BUSINESSES, RIGHT.
BUT SO THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT'LL STOP 'EM.
NUMBER ONE, THE COUNTY AND NUMBER TWO, THE HOA TO STOP THAT KIND OF BUSINESS, RIGHT.
IF THERE'S AN HOA THERE, AND THE MOST TOWN HOMES PROBABLY WOULD, BUT I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE TAXIDERMISTS, IT'S HARD TO GET, GET AWAY FROM THOSE CHEMICAL SMELLS NO MATTER, YOU NEED TO BE ON SOME ACRE THERE.
UM, SO YOU, YOU WANT AVOID THINGS LIKE THAT BY, RIGHT.
SO WE NEED LIKE, AND WE NEED TO CORRAL THAT IN SOME CASES, IN SOME WAY.
UM, I, I'M GUESSING YARD SALES DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPLY TO YARD SALES ARE TEMPORARY ONE TIME.
BUT THAT, THAT CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE TOO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HOME BUSINESSES ARE NOWHERE NEAR AS DISRUPTIVE, AS DISRUPTIVE AS, UM, AS YOUR SALES ARE.
UM, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER POINT THAT NOW, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT, WHEN YOU INITIALLY WERE TALKING, IT REMINDED ME OF ONE POINT THAT THE CHAMBER MADE IN THEIR LETTER WAS THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, SO THEY'LL JUST OPERATE ILLEGALLY.
AND THAT DOESN'T GET THE, THE COUNTY THE TAXES FROM THAT, THAT OPERATION.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING THEY WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE TOO, IS MAKING IT A LITTLE EASIER SO PEOPLE WILL GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE AND PAY THEIR TAXES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE RATHER THAN JUST OPERATING THE BUSINESS.
WE, WE GOTTA MAKE IT STREAMLINED.
WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT ONEROUS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, WE GOTTA BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT AND BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
IF THERE ARE ISSUES OR THINGS COME UP AND, AND IF WE MAKE IT TOO OPEN, THEN, THEN WE'RE IN THAT WHOLE, WELL, NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
WE COULD, WE SAID EVERYTHING IS OKAY, EVERYTHING'S PERMISSIBLE.
SO WE GOTTA FIND THAT BALANCE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH LET'S, LET'S SUPPORT THIS.
WE HAVE 2,600 OUT THERE ALREADY.
BUT LET'S NOT GET TOO WILD WEST WITH IT AT, AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, STEVE, CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE THING HERE? I CAN REACH OF ALEX HERE.
IF I LOOKED AT THIS, OKAY, AND YOU'VE HIT PART OF IT HERE IN, IN JULY, 2018, NOT TOO LONG AGO, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FOLK BUSINESS FOCUS.
ASK THE BOARD TO REVIEW WHAT THEY CONSIDERED OUTDATED HOME OCCUPATIONS.
OUTDATED HOME OCCUPATION, THE REGULATIONS.
THAT HAVE NOT EVOLVED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS.
AND, AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT, THEN ANOTHER SENTENCE DOWN THERE TALKS ABOUT, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE SO HARD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY JUST DO THE BUSINESS ANYWAY AND WE GIVE THE MONEY.
I DON'T, OKAY, LET ME BACK IT UP FROM THE END.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IN THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART WANNA PAY TAXES OR THE BUSINESS LICENSE.
THE SECOND PART, BUT THE SECOND PART IS THAT YOU HAVE 2,600 BUSINESSES.
I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS A, WHAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IS A FAILURE.
AND I KIND OF GO OVER TO WHAT DOUG'S TALKING ABOUT IS, AND THIS IS MY BIG CONCERN, THIS, IT'S KIND OF THE DUTY OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, TO, TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, THIS, THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, IN FACT, THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT IF I CANNOT RESPOND TO A CITIZEN'S CONCERN OVER A BUSINESS, THEN, THEN WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB.
I MEAN, THIS IS SORT OF WHAT WE DO HERE.
AND IF WE HAVE TO HEAR 'EM AND, AND IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T APPLY AND WE FIND IT, THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IS THAT YOU ADD ON ANOTHER, YOU ADD A PENALTY TO IT, OKAY.
SO GET PEOPLE, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SLOUGH OFF THESE THINGS, SO FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS, NO, THEY WOULD RENT, THEY WOULD HAVE RENTALS, SHORT TERM RENTALS AFTER, OH, I'M SORRY.
WELL, THAT'S BALONEY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY'RE JUST AVOIDING PAYING THE FEES AND PROBABLY THE TAXES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE SCREWING WITH SOMETHING HERE THAT'S BASED ON A BUSINESS FOCUS AND A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WE'RE GIVING UP ANY KIND OF CONTROL OVER.
TOM AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, JUST TODAY, PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE I I, WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE WANTED TO GENERALIZE EVERYTHING SO THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE WORK TO DO WITH GOING OVER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND, AND INVESTIGATING EACH ONE THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD.
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THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.AND I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
SO I, I KNOW THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WANTED TO JUST STREAMLINE THIS AND MAKE IT EASY, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAS A PLACE IN THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE END OF IT, WHETHER WE EXPAND THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS RATHER THAN ELIMINATING A LOT OF THE SPECIAL USE PROCESS BECAUSE IT NEIGHBORS ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION.
HOW DO THEY MAKE THE DECISION IF THERE IS NOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHERE THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? BECAUSE I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT THE, NOT NECESSARILY THE BOARD, NOT NECESSARILY SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD 10 MILES AWAY TRYING TO IMPOSE THEIR FEELINGS ON A SUBJECT.
IT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF THAT CAN, SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION.
AND WE OVERSEE IT AND WE LISTEN TO THEM.
SO THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND I, I, I DEFER TO THE REST OF YOU, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
WE, WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE, LIKE I SAID, CORRAL IS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT.
THIS AT THE SAME, SAME TIME THOUGH, THERE ARE PROBABLY A WIDE LIST OF HOME-BASED OCCUPATIONS THAT WE CAN PROBABLY JUST GO NO PROBLEM.
LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO BE A WEB DESIGNER, SIT AT YOUR DESK, WRITE HTML CODE, WHATEVER, ALL ALL DAY LONG, JAVA, WHO, WHO CARES? THAT'S RIGHT.
PUT THAT DOWN AS, DON'T EVEN, DON'T EVEN NEED TO TALK TO US.
GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE, NOT YOURSELF BACK.
UM, SO PROBABLY AN INCLUSIVE LIST START WITH, AS OPPOSED TO A, AN EXCLUSIVE LIST, WHICH YOU CAN'T DO.
BUT I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO START ITERATING WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH.
AND THAT CAN BE A, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE A LONG LIST.
IT'LL BE A LITTLE, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO MANAGE, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE, THE RIGHT APPROACH.
SO THE, THE QUESTION I HAD, UH, THAT REMEMBER IT, UH, ONE, TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE, ANYBODY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED TODAY, LIKE I WOULD IMAGINE BE GRANDFATHER GRAND IN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND GO, HEY, THE RULES CHANGED.
I MEAN THIS WOULD LOOSEN REGULATIONS, RIGHT? FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
RIGHT? AND THE SECOND THING, AGRICULTURAL RELATED STUFF, WHAT IF YOU WANT, WHAT IF YOU HAVE TWO ACRES AND YOU WANT TO SELL STRAWBERRIES AND YOU HAVE A BIG STRAWBERRY BUSINESS, OR, OR YOU WANT FLOWERS OR YOU WANT TO, THAT'S SEASONAL.
YOU WANNA RAISE PIGS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
WHAT I MEAN DOES AGRICULTURE FITS INTO THE SMALL, HOW IT DOES NOT FIT IN THE HOME OCCUPATION SECTION.
IT HAS ITS OWN AGRICULTURAL SECTION.
FRUIT STANDS, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FARM STANDS IS WHAT'S CLASSIFIED AS STATE.
THE STATE, LIKE I SAID, THEY CREATED A WHOLE NEW LAW BASED ON, ON UH, THE CRAP WE WENT THROUGH.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOME OFFICES THAT YOU'VE GOT ACCOUNTANTS, YOU'VE MET, TALKED PEOPLE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU CHANGED THAT THEY DO IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY.
BUT THOSE DON'T, MR. ANDREW, THOSE DON'T REQUIRE SPECIALTIES FOR THEIR RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU'RE A LAWYER OR A WEB DESIGNER, YOU'RE RUNNING OUTTA YOUR HOUSE.
YOU DON'T NEED SPECIAL UNLESS YOU HAVE, UNLESS YOU HAVE CUSTOMER CONTACT.
WE ONLY HAVE A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT ALL I JUST SAY IS YOU GOT A BUSINESS THAT'S NOT LISTED.
I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A BUSINESS THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WARPED MACHINE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THEY'LL BE A NEW, A NEW TECHNOLOGY TOMORROW THAT, THAT WILL DRIVE BUSINESS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, IF THEY STRIKE 24.1 DASH 2 82, THEN ALL THIS PERMISSIBLE THEN.
BUT, BUT THE POINT, YOUR POINT WAS RIGHT NOW FOR WEB DESIGNER, RIGHT? WE SHOULD ALLOWED THAT.
BUT THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED WITHOUT, RIGHT, BUT AM YEAH.
AM AND TOMORROW IT SHOULD BE AS WELL.
MY POINT IS, THERE ARE PROBABLY PLENTY OF BUSINESSES THAT NOBODY IN THIS ROOM OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD CARE ONE WAY ABOUT IT.
SO LET'S JUST PUT THAT DOWN AS PERMISSIBLE.
JUST GO GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE AND GO TO BUSINESS.
WE GOTTA BE, UH, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER BACK, UH, YEARS AGO.
YEARS AGO, I MEAN YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
AND THE ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU DO? WHAT CAN A CITIZEN DO IN THEIR COMMUNION COMMUNITY IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY? AND IT GOT TO, IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS THE, THE, THE, THE EMOTIONS GOT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULDN'T THROW FOOTBALL WITHOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE STATE OR FROM, FROM THE BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO DO IT.
AND IN TRUTH, THERE WAS, YEAH, I GUESS BECAUSE WE'RE IN A DI STATE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T GET TO GO DO STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THE STATE LAWS.
SO I GUESS IN THE POINT IN HERE, I DON'T WANNA GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT AGAIN.
'CAUSE WE WENT THROUGH YEARS OF SIX YEARS OF THAT CRAP TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE PEOPLE CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY
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THAT THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A WAVE OFF IT.I MEAN, IT'S JUST GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN PLAYING FOOTBALL, DOING WHATEVER, STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT THE BUSINESS PARTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MORE PERMANENT ARE GONNA CAUSE US SOME CONCERNS.
AND THEY HAVE CAUSED CONCERNS FOR THE TWO DECADES THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
THERE'S BEEN, IT COMES UP AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU LET GO OF IT.
YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE, UH, LOSE THE ABILITY TO, AND I'LL JUST ASK YOU THIS, CAN ANYBODY NAME A BUSINESS THAT WE HAD NO CONTROL OVER THAT NOBODY WANTED? CAN YOU THINK OF ONE? I CAN REMEMBER PRINCE'S CRUISE LINE.
HEY, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG BUSINESS AND WE HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE A SMALLER, SMALLER EXAMPLE OF THIS AND PUSH IT DOWN INTO A, A, A STREET OF BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS WHERE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.
THEY MAY NOT WANT A BARBER SHOP.
PEOPLE HERE DIDN'T WANT A CRUISE LINE.
SO THIS IS THE PART I'M, I JUST THINK IN GOVERNMENT, THAT'S OUR JOB.
THAT'S WHAT SHEILA SAID, AND I AGREE WITH IT.
SO THEN WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, STAFF IS, UM, FOR THE USES THAT, THAT ARE NOT LISTED UNDER CURRENTLY UNDER 2 82, IF THERE'S ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE INCLUDED IN THAT LIST, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND LETTING US KNOW.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, I GUESS FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT, I, I WOULD START WITH THE LIST OF NEW LICENSES THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
SO CHRISTIE'S GOT A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT LIST.
THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE, ARE GAINING LICENSES.
ALL KINDS OF EXAMPLES IN THERE THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT IN YOUR ORDINANCES.
WELL WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
A LOT OF THEM ARE SORT OF BROAD BASED.
YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
THEY, THEY SAY PERSONAL SERVICES OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
WELL, AND THERE, THERE ARE TWO APPROACHES.
I THINK WE CAN TAKE ONE, WE CAN GET A VERY ITEMIZED LIST, YOU KNOW, NAIL SALON, ACCOUNTANT, WEB DESIGNER, AND, AND MAKE A BIG LIST.
THE OTHER APPROACH IS MAYBE TO TRY TO CLASSIFY TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NO CUSTOMER, NO LOCAL CUSTOMER CONTACT, IT, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, ANYTHING THAT FITS IN THAT, THAT DOESN'T NEED US UP ANYWAY.
WHAT'S THAT? THAT DOESN'T NEED US TION.
WELL, YEAH, BUT, WELL, BECAUSE 'CAUSE OF THE WAY ORDINANCE IS TODAY, BUT, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW HOW WE CHANGE TOMORROW.
SO MAYBE WE CAN, AND THIS IS GONNA BE TRICKY AND WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW IT ALL FITS, BUT IF WE CAN CREATE CLASSIFICATIONS, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ITEMIZED LIST.
YOU GOT A HUNDRED ITEMS, YOU LOOK, DOES IT FIT IN ONE OF THOSE? SO ANYWAY, SOME, SOME THOUGHT WE NEED TO PUT INTO IT.
AND I, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE VERBIAGE WOULD SOUND LIKE, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK THOSE ARE TWO APPROACHES WE COULD TAKE, SO, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS? I THINK WE EXHAUST IT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE HARD WORK HERE.
I, WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE JUST GOTTA FINE TUNE, MAKE SURE WE CAN MANAGE THIS GOING FORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT WAS THE ONLY PRESENTATION SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT AND WE'RE
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NOW READY TO MOVE INTO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.UH, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS. UM, FIRST ITEM IS FISCAL YEAR 2024, COUNTY AND STATE FUNDING FOR LOCAL ARCH AND ORGANIZATIONS.
ITEM NEXT ITEM, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCE INCORPORATED SUPPORT AGREEMENT, ADVANCED MEDICAL HEALTH SCREENING SERVICES.
REPLACEMENT FOR AM PURCHASE RESOLUTION REPLACEMENT AMBULANCES, WHICH WE PULL NUMBER THREE A.
WHAT'S THAT? OKAY, I COULD PULL NUMBER THREE.
ALRIGHT, WELL I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANNA PULL NUMBER THREE FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION OR JUST FOR QUESTIONS? YES.
ALRIGHT, WELL IT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSION FOR DISCUSSION.
BETWEEN, SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OF THOSE WARRANTS THEY WANNA PULL AND, AND VOTE ON SEPARATELY? WELL, I WANT DISCUSSION ON AND THEN THREE OF THEM.
SO ON THREE, ON TWO, THREE AND FIVE.
ANYBODY GOT A DISCUSSION? NUMBER FOUR.
WELL, NO, WE DISCUSS DISCUSSIONS, HAVE DISCUSSIONS, DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION, AND WE MAY BE SATISFIED WITH PUTTING IT BACK IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SO WE DON'T WANNA PULL ANYTHING FOR SEPARATE, UH, VOTE.
SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, I'M ASK FOR A MOTION TO, UM, TO APPROVE AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, FISCAL YEAR 2024, COUNTY AND STATE FUNDING FOR LOCAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS.
MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS? THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT HISTORICALLY.
AND I, I ALWAYS LOOK FOR ARE WE MATCHING WHAT WE'VE
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DONE BEFORE? HOW CLOSE ARE WE, HAVE WE GONE UP? WE INCREASED THE AMOUNT THIS YEAR.I, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT CLEAR.
WHICHEVER ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, IT WAS, WELL WE APPROVED, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT A, A $1 PER CAPITA.
WE'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A WHILE.
UM, IT, IT HAS STAYED THE SAME FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, THE, THE AGENCIES THAT YOU SEE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AGENCIES THAT APPLY EVERY YEAR.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY CHANGE.
NO, I THINK THE BIGGEST CHANGE LAST YEAR WAS THAT WE HAD A COUPLE ON THERE RIVER WALK LANDING AND WE HAD A COUPLE ON THERE WHO WERE NOT 5 0 1 4 CS.
SO WE TOOK THEM OFF AND THEN WE, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY GOES TO THOSE NON-PROFITS THAT ARE 5 0 1 4 CS.
BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ON NUMBER TWO.
I THINK WE'RE OKAY ON THAT NOW.
CDR IS IT ONE YOU WANNA ROLL? THREE? YOU HAD THREE AS WELL, SO, OKAY.
UM, FOR YEARS WE'VE BEEN, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE RESOLUTION HERE.
BASICALLY IT'S SUPPORT FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, EARLY CHILDCARE FOR EARLY HEAD START.
AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB.
MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THE PROGRAM WITH THE MILITARY, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MILITARY PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN, IN THESE PROGRAMS. AND YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT, I MEAN, WE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK, IT'S, IT IS ESSENTIALLY IT'S FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED KIDS OKAY.
AND IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO CATCH UP.
BUT THE NUMBER IS SO SMALL, IT IS JUST SO SMALL.
16 KIDS, I KNOW'S NOTHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
UM, AND, UM, THE CITY OF HAMPTON AND NEWPORT NEWS, AND IF YOU, IT'S ALL OVER THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THE MILITARY WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THE MILITARY IS SOMEHOW ENHANCE THIS CAPABILITY.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANT MILITARY PRESENCE WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE, AND YOU INCLUDE THE COAST GUARD INTO THAT, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, NAVAL WEAPONS STATION UP HERE.
UH, AND THEN YOU GOT, UH, THE CIA HEADQUARTERS, IF YOU WILL, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY, BUT YOU'VE GOT A TON OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
AND YOU'VE GOT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE JUST OFF TO THE SOUTH OF US, UM, OR THE WEST OF US, EAST OF US.
AND SO THE QUESTION COMES UP IS HOW CAN WE, UH, AS A, UM, AS A LOCAL ENTITY, COMMUNITY SUPPORT THIS IN? I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW HOW, IF, IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE COULD INCREASE THE SUPPORT MECHANISM FOR THIS EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE I KNOW BIG CITY HAMPTON'S GOING NUTS TRYING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
AND I MEAN, I JUST, IT JUST 16 KIDS IS NOTHING.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HEAD START OR TALKING ABOUT CR, IT'S, UM, IS HEAD START LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO THERE'S 16 CHILDREN THAT ARE EARLY HEAD START.
SO THAT'S BIRTH TO THREE YEARS OF AGE.
AND THEN, THEN THEY COME TO US.
BUT THOSE 16 CHILDREN ARE LOCATED UP IN THE GRIFFIN YATES AREA.
THEY ALSO SERVE CHILDREN IN THE HOME WITH PARENTS OR CHILDCARE PROVIDERS.
THEY WORK WITH THEM ALSO TO WORK WITH YOUNG CHILDREN TO EDUCATE YOUNG CHILDREN IN THE HOME.
THIS ONLY, THIS AGREEMENT ONLY SUPPORTS THOSE 16 CHILDREN THAT ARE AT GRIFFIN YATES IS WHAT IT DOES.
BUT THEY DO HAVE A HOME-BASED PROGRAM THAT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND IT EVEN GOES TO, UM, KOSIN AS WELL.
WELL, I'M JUST BRINGING, I JUST APPOINTED DISCUSSION.
I'M GONNA OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS.
BUT IS THAT, UH, THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH, FOR FOLKS NOW THAT ARE, THAT ARE UM, DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION OR HAVE MARGINAL TRANSPORTATION OR HAVE TO WORK THREE JOBS OR SOMETHING, THEY HAVE NO ONE, NO BODY OR A WAY TO HELP WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HELP WITH THE CHILDREN.
AND THEY, AND IF YOU DON'T GET THE EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM.
UH, I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT.
AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF FRUSTRATED IN THE SENSE THAT I DON'T, I WISH YOUR COUNTY COULD DO MORE, SOMEHOW DO MORE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IS THAT WE DID PUT A, UM, A LARGE MODULAR UNIT.
IT'S AT, UH, BETHEL MANOR ELEMENTARY.
AND WE'VE GOT, UH, 36 SLOTS THERE.
AND ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THOSE ARE MILITARY FAMILIES THAT WE SERVE.
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IT'S NOT JUST THE MILITARY.WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT, THAT WORK IN DIFFERENT LOW PAYING JOBS.
YOU KNOW, AND THEY CATCH AND SAY YOU'RE WORKING THREE JOBS, JUST MAKE ENDS MEET.
PRICE OF HOUSING IS WHAT IT IS.
AND FOOD IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.
SO THE POINT IS, WHAT CAN WE DO IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO AS A, AS A, AS AN ENTITY.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT WE COULD PUT MORE MONEY INTO THAT IS ALREADY SERVING THIS, THIS AREA? ARE YOU LOOKING TO EXPAND WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO BUT FIND MORE PROVIDERS? HOW ARE YOU, HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS? THE PROVIDER ISSUE, ANOTHER, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S ISSUE.
MY, MY CONCERN IS TO EXPAND WHAT WE'VE GOT SOMEHOW TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AGAIN, AT THIS, I MEAN, I IT'S BOGGLED MY MIND.
I, WHAT I ENVISION IS WE HAVE, UH, GRIFFIN YATES WAS A SCHOOL AT ONE TIME, I BELIEVE.
RIGHT? WAS IT IT WAS A, YES, IT WAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THIS WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IIII SUSPECT WE HAVE ENOUGH KIDS, UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTY.
IF WE GO INTO WITH MAYBE JAMES CITY COUNTY OR NEWPORT NEWS OR SOMETHING THAT, WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY CREATE A SCHOOL TO USE WHAT WE'VE GOT OUR CURRENT FACILITY.
SO THE, THE THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS OUT OF, OUT OF A, A COUNTY WITH SEVEN 2000 RESIDENTS, THAT'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN 16 KIDS IN THIS AGE GROUP.
THIS IS THIS JUST ONE DISTRICT, RIGHT.
WELL, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M USING THIS AS A DISCUSSION POINT FOR THE SUBJECT.
BUT EVEN THEN, OUT OF, OUT OF A DISTRICT REPORT, 14,000 STILL SEEMS RATHER SMALL.
YOU WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN 16, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU GOT MORE IN NEEDS TO SERVICE.
SO THEN HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THEN ONE, THEN TWO, HOW DO WE REACH 'EM? AND THIS IS SOMETHING, GO AHEAD.
AND WE'VE, WE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO, A PROGRAM.
WE EXPANDED OUR, UM, HEAD START PROGRAM.
'CAUSE WE RECOGNIZED THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD THE KIDS HALF A DAY OR THREE QUARTERS OF A DAY.
AND THEN THE PARENTS COULDN'T GET 'EM.
UM, BUT DAYCARE, CHILDCARE, UM, REACHING KIDS EARLY IS A HUGE PROBLEM.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE SCHOOLS, UH, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS.
THEY HAVE THEIR PRESCHOOL PROGRAM AND WE HAVE OURS.
IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO RESOURCES.
YOU NEED FACILITIES AND THEN YOU NEED STAFF.
AND FINDING STAFF HAS BEEN AN EXTREMELY HARD PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING TODAY AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUTURISTIC THINGS FOR SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT.
USED TO BE 15 YEARS AGO, EVERY CHURCH HAD A PRESCHOOL PROGRAM.
VERY FEW OF THEM HAVE THEM ANYMORE.
SO HOW TO FILL THAT VOID IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT WE AND THE SCHOOLS HAVE BOTH LOOKED AT, BUT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE WHAT THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM THERE.
AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL CARE BECAUSE OF THEIR PHY AGREEMENT WITH US.
UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT.
IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO DO, WE'D BE, UH, WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IS, IS FINDING CARE FOR WORKING PARENTS.
UH, AND IT'S, IT'S GONNA ACQUIRE A LOT OF RESOURCES.
BUT WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES.
SO PUT OUR DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THAT RESOURCE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT TO, IT'S GOT LOTS OF COMMAS.
BUT, BUT BEFORE WE, LOTS OF COMMAS.
BUT BEFORE WE PUT THAT NUMBER DOWN, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THE NUMBER OF AT NEED KIDS ARE 17.
NO, WE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED OVER A THOUSAND KIDS.
THAT ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THE PROBLEM.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE KIDS THAT QUALIFY FOR OUR PROGRAMS AND YOU KNOW, WITH OUR PROGRAMS THAT ARE FEDERAL, THE, THE LIMIT IS LOW AS FAR AS THE, THE THRESHOLD IS LOW AS FAR AS WHAT THEY CAN EARN.
THEN YOU HAVE THE PARENTS WHO CAN AFFORD IT.
THERE'S THAT MIDDLE GAP THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS. 'CAUSE ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON FINANCES.
SO WE CAN ONLY TAKE BUT 10% THAT DON'T QUALIFY FOR THAT.
SO IT'S THAT WORKING CLASS PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING QUALITY OF CARE AND THE COST OF IT.
YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE WE COULD HIRE SOMEBODY FOR $12 AN HOUR TO WORK FOR KIDS.
NOW THEY CAN GET 15, 17, $18 NOT HAVING TO WORK WITH KIDS AND WORK AT WAWA OR WORK AT CHICK-FIL-A OR WORK AT THESE OTHER PLACES.
SO TRYING TO GET THE, THE REVENUE THAT WE NEED OR THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE PROGRAMS, IT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE.
TO FIND QUALITY TEACHERS AND QUALITY EDUCATORS TO WORK WITH THOSE CHILDREN.
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US TO, IF WE, IF THE BOARD WOULD AGREE, IS TO JUST EXPLORE WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE RESOURCES.I MEAN, I, I JUST SEE THIS, I JUST, WHEN I GO TO THESE, THESE REGIONAL MEETINGS AND I TALK TO THE MILITARY, I HEAR THIS A LOT FROM THE MILITARY.
BUT I'M HEARING IT ALSO FROM VIRGINIA BEACH ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE THAT, THAT WE CAN SIT AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING'S GETTING DONE.
UH, BUT YOU END UP WITH THINGS.
I'LL GIVE YOU A GRAND, WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
THAT WE HOOKED TO OUR YORK MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THAT'S ANOTHER, WHAT IS THAT SCHOOL CALLED? THAT UH, LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
WELL, THERE'S A YORK RIVER ACADEMY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WE EVEN HAVE THAT.
THAT'S, WHAT IS THAT CATEGORY? I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE CATEGORY SCHOOL.
IT'S, UH, IT USED TO BE LIKE, UM, IT'S OUT, IT WAS OUTSIDE THE GOVERNMENT.
IT WAS, UH, ANYWAY, WE, THEY, THEY GOT ADOPTED AND PUT INTO, INTO THE YORK SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND IT'S, IT SERVES A GREAT PURPOSE.
BUT THEN WE WORKED WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND THEN THAT GAVE AN AFTERSCHOOL RESOURCE FOR KIDS THAT WERE UNPROTECTED.
BASICALLY THAT, 'CAUSE THE PARENTS HAD TO WORK.
AND I'VE SEEN THIS WHERE OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DO THE FIRST TEE KIND OF PROGRAM WHERE THEY WILL BRING THE KIDS OVER TO A GOLF COURSE WHERE THEY WOULD NEVER EVER PUT THEIR FOOT ON A GOLF COURSE.
'CAUSE IT WAS ONE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
TWO, THEY DON'T HAVE RESOURCES TO, TO PLAY WITH IT.
BUT YOU SEE THESE KIDS, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO GO THE BOYS AND GIRLS, UH, CLUB, UH, MANAGERS IN THERE.
THEY HAVE, THEY KNOW THE KIDS SO WELL.
THEY HAVE TO GO OVER TO THE HOUSE AND GET THE KID OUT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE MOM'S SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW, STONED OUT OF HER MIND, LAYING ON THE COUCH.
AND THE KID DOESN'T GET ANY, DOESN'T GET ANY BENEFIT UNLESS SOMEBODY GETS IN THERE AND HELPS 'EM.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE LETTING, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SOME SMALL PIECE OF OUR SOCIETY, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY WE CAN KIND OF START HELPING THAT.
AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE WOULD BE MAYBE OUR STAFF NOT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO GO OUT AND EXPLORE WHAT IT WOULD COST US.
SO WE WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WELL, AND I WAS GETTING READY TO GET INTO THAT.
SO HAVE WE ASKED THE QUESTION, WE KNOW WE HAVE 16, WE, WE HAVE RESOURCES FOR 16, WE KNOW THERE'S MORE.
AND WE ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE 20 OR 25 AND THEN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND YOU SOLVE THAT.
AND THEN WE GO, WELL WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO DO 30 AND THEN SOLVE, AND AGAIN, NOT TOMORROW, BUT KIND OF BUILD YOUR WAY UP TO IT.
YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF ALL 1000 TOMORROW DROP.
BUT HOW DO WE START DOWN THAT PATH AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN GET? I MEAN, HAVE WE KIND OF BACK TO EXPLORING EVERYTHING? WE'VE STARTED TO EXPLORE SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND, AND UH, ACTUALLY, UM, AMBER RICHIE HAD HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND SHE'S MOVED UP NOW TO THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING INTO THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR.
SHE'S GOT A PLAN TO DO SOME THINGS.
AND I SAID, WELL, WE GOTTA PUT IT IN THE BUDGET.
SO YOU KNOW, HERE, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET IN THE FALL.
BUT THAT'S, WE, WE HAVE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
MAYBE A WHITE PAPER ON IT SO THAT WE HAVE SOME FEELING FOR IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US ALL.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T LET THEM SLIP THROUGH THE CRACK AND EDUCATING YOUNG WILL GIVE US CITIZENS IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S LIKE IT WAS SAID, THE EARLIER YOU CAN CATCH 'EM, YOU KNOW.
THE EASIER IT IS AND THE LESS COSTLY.
IT'S UM, MY OLD RECREATION DAYS, THEY USED TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT $40,000 TO INCARCERATED CHILD.
AND THEN THEY WOULD LIST THE 50 RECREATION PROGRAMS YOU COULD DO FOR ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT IF YOU'D HAVE DONE THEM, IF YOU HAD, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN THE JAIL SPENDING THE $39,000.
WELL, MY REACTION WAS 16 SEEMS INCREDIBLY SMALL.
THAT'S A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM.
THANK SUPPORT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK TO GET THOSE NUMBERS UP.
AND YOU WANNA LOOK AT NUMBER FIVE TOO? NUMBER FIVE.
I THOUGHT WE HAD, OH, HERE, WHERE ARE WE? OKAY.
UH, LIMITING THE COUNTY TO $75,000.
I THOUGHT WE MOVED IT TO 75,000.
SO THIS READS A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
AND IT STRUCK ME AS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAD RECENTLY.
YOU TALKING ABOUT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD? YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THING COMING BEFORE THE BOARD? YEAH.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
I THOUGHT I WENT TO A HUNDRED HUNDRED.
IS IT OKAY THEN? STRIKE MY COMMENT.
IT USED TO BE 25,000 AND THEN WE GOT BOMBARD.
NO, YOU MAY BE THINKING YOU COULDN'T STOCK THE REFRIGERATOR FOR THAT.
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LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT.YOU TALKING ABOUT AMBULANCE, THIS REPLACEMENT OF FOUR AMBULANCE.
AND, AND I THINK AND COME MS. OWENS CAN HELP US, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN WE PASS THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR PICKUP TRUCKS AND YOUR COUNTY WORK TRUCKS.
WHEREAS AN AMBULANCE IS A RESCUE VEHICLE.
OH, IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT CAMERA.
IT'S A, IT'S A FIRE APPARATUS.
UM, THE PURCHASING ORDINANCE IS ANYTHING OVER $50,000.
THAT'S NOT IN THE CIP COMES TO THE BOARD.
ANYTHING BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED.
ANYTHING OVER A HUNDRED COMES TO THE BOARD.
THESE PARTICULAR VEHICLES ARE IN THE CIP THAT ARE ON HERE.
UM, THE BOARD PASSED CONTRACTS FOR ANY CARS UNDER TWO.
A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS FOR ANY CARS OVER $75,000.
WE ARE HOPING TO COME TO THE BOARD TO RAISE THAT PURCHASING ORDINANCE.
THOUGHT OVERALL THOUGHT WE THAT THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.
IT WAS JUST THOSE COUPLE OF CONTRACTS.
SO I'M GOOD WITH TWO, THREE, AND FIVE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, COMMENTS SINCE WE TALKED? OKAY.
I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL THEN.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
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BUSINESS.AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE INTO OPEN DISCUSSION.
MRS. NOR WE'LL START WITH YOU.
I FIRST OF ALL WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE, UH, FOR ORGANIZING THE MEMORIAL DAY COMMEMORATION.
IT'S A COMMEMORATION OF THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES IN DEFENSE OF THIS COUNTRY.
AND THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THAT.
THIS YEAR WE HAD A LITTLE RAIN, SO WE MOVED IN INSIDE.
BUT NORMALLY IT'S DONE ON THE FRONT LAWN OF, OF YORK HALL.
UH, I WOULD URGE PEOPLE TO CONSIDER ATTENDING IT NEXT YEAR.
IT STARTS AT 12 O'CLOCK ON MEMORIAL DAY.
UH, WE NORMALLY HAVE A GOOD TURNOUT FOR IT, UH, THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.
IT WAS NOT AS GOOD AS YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, BUT IT WAS VERY MOVING WHAT THEY DID.
AND I, I THINK WE ALL WOULD BENEFIT IN THESE DAYS TO LOOK BACK AT WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT OUR COUNTRY'S ALL ABOUT AND WHO GAVE IT, WHO HELPED US TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE.
SO MEMORIAL DAY, I KNOW WE CELEBRATE THE 4TH OF JULY, BUT MEMORIAL DAY IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR US TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
AND ON A HAPPIER NOTE, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE ALL THE GRADUATES.
WE'VE GOT GRADUATION FROM, FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL, MOVING TO HIGH SCHOOL.
WE'VE GOT HIGH SCHOOL MOVING TO COLLEGE.
WE'VE GOT KIDS GOING FROM COLLEGE OUT INTO THE WORKFORCE.
AND IT'S ALWAYS A JOYOUS TIME FOR PARENTS WHEN THEY COULD SEE PEOPLE LEAVING THE NEST.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO GO OFF TO COLLEGE.
AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY PROGRAMS OUT THERE.
THE HAMPTON ROADS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION HAS A LIST OF DIFFERENT TRAINING PROGRAMS FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT TO WORK RATHER THAN GOING TO COLLEGE.
AND DEPENDING UPON WHAT COURSES YOU TAKE, THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE WILL PAY UP TO $8,000 OF THE TUITION FOR YOU.
AND THEN YOU WOULD SUPPLEMENT THE REST OF IT YOURSELVES.
AND THAT IS A WAY FOR SOME PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED TO START THEIR LIVES AS AN ADULT.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY.
WELL, MRS. NOEL TOOK MY THUNDER 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT MEMORIAL DAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A WONDERFUL SERVICE.
AND, AND, AND REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS REMIND FOLKS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SERVICES FOR 4TH OF JULY.
UH, I'M SURE MR. BELLAMY WILL SPEAK TO THAT, THAT TOPIC SHORTLY.
UM, BUT EQUAL, EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO GET OUT ON THE 4TH OF JULY AND CELEBRATE AND, AND RECOGNIZE WHAT IT TOOK TO MAKE THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
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UH, MR. BELLA THERE.UM, CAN SOMEONE FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, THE RAILROAD PEOPLE ABOUT THE OLD YORK HAMPTON ALREADY DONE? YES.
WHAT DID YOU GET? I, I COPIED MR. RONAN ON IT.
I, I HAD REACHED OUT IN NOT ONLY THE
IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME SHAPE.
SO I, I ASKED HIM ALSO TO IN INCLUDE ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO MR. CARROLL HAS REACHED OUT TO, UH, CSX.
AND HE'S WAITING ON A RESPONSE.
HE TOLD US HE'D GET BACK TO US AS SOON AS THEY RESPONDED BECAUSE THEY SAID MAY RIGHT.
IS IS THE TIMEFRAME THEY GAVE US.
AND IT, AND IT'S GETTING TO A POINT TOO.
THE RAILROAD NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THAT TIMBER WAS GONNA COME UP AND THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK THE RAILROAD TRACK.
UM, SECOND, UH, I WANT TO GIVE KUDOS TO, UM, CAROL, UH, CAROL ROSSI WITH BDOT.
I, UH, CONTACTED HIM FOR SOMERVILLE.
UH, THAT SUBDIVISION HAS HAD STOP SIGNS THERE SINCE LIKE THE 1990S.
AND THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT YOU COULDN'T READ 'EM.
AND THE PAINT HAS GONE OFF OF THEM.
I DID THAT ABOUT A WEEK AGO, AND THEY REPLACED THOSE SIGNS ON MONDAY.
EVERY ONE OF THEM PUT NEW POSTS IN, SIGNS, THE WHOLE THING.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE HIM JUMPING ON THAT.
I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.
UH, THE LAST THING I HAVE, UM, PROBABLY CONTROVERSIAL, BUT, UH, THE BOAT RACE, I'VE, I'VE HAD QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTACTED US ABOUT THE FLAG SIGNAGE ON THE BOATS AND SO FORTH.
SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AS A BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOUR EMAIL THAT YOU SENT OUT.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN LIMIT PEOPLE'S ABILITY FOR FREE SPEECH, BUT I DO THINK WE CAN LIMIT THE VULGARITY.
THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE ARE PART OF.
AND I KNOW THE DOCK MASTER TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT QUICKLY.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO, I THINK MAYBE DO A BETTER JOB OR STAY ON TOP OF THAT.
AGAIN, IF YOU WANNA DISPLAY A SIGN, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS, AS LONG AS IT'S A, EVEN IF IT'S A POLITICAL SIGN, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
BUT THE VICIOUSNESS AND THE VULGARITY, I THINK IS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR YORK COUNTY ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS.
AND, AND I'LL TOUCH UPON THAT IN A MINUTE.
WHEN, WHEN IT GETS RIGHT TO ME.
AND I MEAN, UH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WE CAN, WELL, WE CAN LIMIT VULGARITY ON THE BEACH 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE SAY.
AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE.
WELL FILL YOU IN BECAUSE, 'CAUSE Y'ALL, Y'ALL, SOME OF Y'ALL WERE CC'D ON THAT MESSAGE, BUT I SAW THAT THE YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT.
BECAUSE THERE WAS THE, THE EMAIL ADDRESS WAS MAIL FORMED AND YOU NEVER SAW IT.
SO IT SOUNDS GONNA FILL YOU IN.
SO YOU, YOUR YOURS DIDN'T GET THROUGH.
I GOT A VOICEMAIL, BUT I DIDN'T YOU GOT, I GOT AN EMAIL.
BUT I MEAN, THE POINT, I DIDN'T, THAT WAS THE FIRST I'D SEEN OF THIS OR HEARD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, MY REACTION WAS PRETTY NEGATIVE.
UM, I'M ONLY, I'M VERY HESITANT TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I'VE GOT TO, OKAY.
UH, BECAUSE IT JUST, IT'S BEEN BEEN KNOWN AT ME FOR A WHILE AND, UM, DURING OUR BUDGET, CY BUDGET CYCLE, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA THINK I'M HYPOCRITICAL AS HELL TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I'M, AND I'LL THROW MY BUTT RIGHT INTO THE MIX.
UH, WE, WE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO, UM, TO TRY TO SHOW, AND ALL OF US VOTED FOR THE BUDGET.
SO WE WENT TO, I PUT WE IN HERE AS A ROYAL.
WE, UH, WE WENT TO THIS GREAT PROCESS OF TRYING TO SHOW THAT WE WERE, WE, WERE WE GONNA REDUCE TAXES AS MUCH AS WE COULD, BUT YET MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN I LOVE THE PAPER DAMN DAILY PRESS.
I HATE THEIR TERMINOLOGY, BUT THEY SAID, WELL, I WAS QUIBBLING ABOUT IT.
I QUIBBLE, I'LL QUIBBLE THEM WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNTY'S MONEY.
AND OUR CITIZEN TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.
SO THE ISSUE HERE HAS TO DEAL WITH A, THE SUBJECT OF THE $700,000 THAT WE WERE GONNA SPEND TO COLOR THE ROADS IN YORKTOWN, $700,000.
NOW WE WENT TO, I MEAN, WE SPENT MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF CHARITY MONEY WITH DR.
AND WE NEVER SPENT ANY TIME TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE OF THE $700,000.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, AND THIS IS WHY I GOT PRETTY ENERGIZED OVER IT, IS BECAUSE
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WE TOOK AN ADDITIONAL 5 CENTS OFF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S BUDGET ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.THAT WAS $350,000 IS WHAT WE, WE ELIMINATED THERE.
WE TOOK $160,000 FROM THE SCHOOL.
WE TOOK $50,000 FROM COMMUNICATIONS.
WE TOOK $140,000 FROM PUBLIC WORKS, ALL THOSE PIECES.
AND I CALLED IT, AT THAT TIME, I SAID THAT THAT WAS AN APPEASEMENT BECAUSE ALL THOSE PIECES ARE SO SMALL, OUT OF $190 MILLION BUDGET, YOU WOULD THINK, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING THAT? BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD.
ALRIGHT, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THE HECK GOES ON, YOU CAN SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME SQUABBLING OVER A FEW BUCKS AND END UP LOSING THE BIG PICTURE.
BECAUSE WE ENDED UP WITH $400,000 DROPPING OUT OF OUR BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UH, THE THING THEY DID WITH PLANES.
WHAT WAS THAT? THE, WHAT WAS THAT COMMITTEE OVER THE OE THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, I'M SORRY, I, MY BRAIN DEAD.
THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION WAS A GRUNT.
A BUNCH OF FOLKS THAT WE RECOMMENDED TO THE JUDGE AND THEY PUT ON THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK THEY WERE LOOKING AT OR WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, BUT THEY, WE LOST $400,000.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE THE VDOT COMING DOWN HERE AND TELLING OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, WELL, YOU GOT A GOT, I'M, I'M GONNA SURPRISE YOU.
YOU NEED, IF YOU WANT THE ROADS BROWN, YOU WANT THE ROADS TO TURN BROWN HERE IN, IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN IT'S GONNA COST YOU ANOTHER $700,000 WITH NO DISCUSSION.
WE HAD NO DISCUSSION AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, WHAT WE DID IS BECAUSE ONE, LEGALLY WE COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE BEEN HAVING A, AN IMPRO IMPROMPTU MEETING.
UH, AND THEY WERE PUTTING PRESSURE ON HIM TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO HAVE IT FAST.
AND IN THE MILITARY, WE HAD A SAYING, YOU WANT IT FA YOU WANT IT BAD, YOU GET IT BAD.
AND MY POINT IN ALL THIS IS THAT, MARK, IF I HAD KNOWN THAT THAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND I UNDERSTOOD IT BETTER, AND WE COULD HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION, I WOULD'VE CALLED, UM, UM, SHEP MILLER, WHO'S THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, OR I WOULD'VE CALLED HALL WHO RUNS ALL OF VDOT IN HAMPTON ROADS.
AND I WOULD'VE SAID, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA SIT AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND WE'LL LET IT LET IT COME OUT INTO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE RUNNING AROUND HERE WITH DOING THESE PHONE CALLS AND GETTING THESE LAST MINUTE THINGS LIKE THIS.
AND WE'RE NOW, WE'VE GOT $1.1 MILLION THAT FELL OUT OF THE BUDGET.
AND WE'VE HAD NO DISCUSSION AS WHERE THIS MONEY WAS COMING FROM.
I MEAN, THIS WAS SURPRISE MONEY.
IT WAS SURPRISE MONEY THAT FELL OUT.
AND SO WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS TROUBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR BUDGET WORK.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALL, ALL IT IS, IS A PLAN AND THINGS GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT WE SHIFTED STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE.
DOUG, BACK IN THE COMMENT, I LOOK AT YOU BECAUSE I'M BACK IN THE COMMENT WHEN I SAID THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION.
YOU SPENT FOUR HOURS OR MORE, OR SIX HOURS TALKING TO THESE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE TRYING TO GET 'EM, BRING THEM OVER TO THE MIDDLE.
SHEILA AND I, I, YOU SPENT MAYBE 15 MINUTES TALKING TO ME BECAUSE I WAS LOCKED DOWN ON WHAT I WAS GONNA SUPPORT, BASICALLY CAME FROM THERE.
AND IN THE END, WE SUPPORTED THE BUDGET.
BUT IT WAS DONE WITH PHONE CALLS.
AND THIS WAS DONE, BASICALLY WAS, THE QUESTION TO US IS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? WELL, WHEN IT GOT DOWN TO THE END, I HAD NO IDEA.
I KNOW SHEILA AND I TALKED ABOUT IT.
AND I, AND I TALKED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
I SAID, WHAT, WHAT, SO WHAT'S THE RESULT? WHAT HAPPENED? THIS WAS LIKE A WEEK LATER.
OH, WELL THREE OF YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT DONE.
TWO OF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT DONE.
GUESS WHAT? IT'S GONNA BE DONE.
$700,000, NO DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF PERCEIVED THREAT BY VDOT THAT THEY WOULD TURN THE ROADS, MAKE 'EM BLACK, AS OPPOSED TO A FAKE DIRT BROWN.
AND IF YOU GO OVER TO, WHAT IS IT, COP? THE GRASS STREET.
WHAT COLOR IS THAT STREET? BLACK.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S GOT ANY DYE.
'CAUSE IT'S BEEN DONE FOR ABOUT NOW A YEAR OR SO.
WHY? AND I, I'M SITTING THERE THINKING JUST THE COLOR.
WHAT WOULD BE THE REACTION OF PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT IF YOU HAD, IF, IF, IF YOU HAD THIS CHOICE OF SPENDING $700,000? JUST DOESN'T COLOR THE ROADS HERE.
AND I HAD PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT TELLING ME WE WERE PAVING YEARS AGO, WE WERE PAVING THE ROADS IN GOLD DOWN HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE WE WERE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT RIVER WALK AND ALL THIS OTHER AREA.
SO I, MY WHOLE POINT IN THIS, OKAY, IT'S GONNA BE BROWN ROADS.
BUT WE CAN'T BE OPERATING THIS WAY.
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, WE, WE CAN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT $50,000 OR, OR $25,000
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OR $75,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND.BUT WE CAN GO DUMP 70 $700,000 ON A, ON THE COLOR OF ROAD.
AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I'VE LISTED THAT WE, WE TWEAKED FOR APPEASEMENT.
OKAY? DIDN'T IT JUST BARELY, IF IT BARELY EQUALS $700,000 AND WITH, WITH THE, A TON OF, OF WORK ON YOUR PART TO GET IT COMPROMISED, BUT NOTHING ON THAT ROAD.
AND NOW WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
WE JUST CANNOT OPERATE THAT WAY.
CAN I GET A POINT OF CONTEXT? DID DID THAT GET APPROVED? MM-HMM.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
THEY HAD, THEY TOLD US WE, IT NEEDED TO DECIDE THEN, OR YOU GET BLACK ROADS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
AND WE COULD HAVE, BUT WE HAD, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T BE ALL BE BEHOLDEN TO, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
THEY'RE NOT DOING IT UNTIL 26.
FOR THEM TO COME AND ASK US IN TWO WEEKS NOTICE IN LESS THAN TWO WEEKS NOTICE, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
THE REASON THEY DID IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH DEALING WITH VDOT FOR NOW FOR 20 YEARS ALMOST.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE BUILDING OF PROJECTS, OKAY? THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED.
THE FUNDING HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD.
THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD OR POLITICAL APPOINTEES.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY, 18 OR HOW MANY IS ON THERE, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE CHAIRED, THAT BOARD IS CHAIRED BY THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS MEETING.
AND, AND THESE, THEY, THEY CHAIRS THE MEETING.
AND SO THEY GOTTA HAVE ALL THESE NUMBERS.
AND IT'S LIKE BEING IN THE MILITARY, THEY'RE ALL SCRAMBLING TO GET TO THE BOSS, THE RIGHT INFORMATION.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE INFORMATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT DROVE THIS THING.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S, IT WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW.
BUT THEY, THEY GOT THIS LONG RAGE THING.
I GET, I GET THE PROCESS, I GET THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN A PROCESS.
THE FACT THAT THEY BROUGHT IT TO US LAST TOLD US THAT WE HAD TO GIVE IT, GIVE AN ANSWER IN A WEEK'S TIME.
WE COULDN'T EVEN GET ON OUR AGENDA.
AND THAT WAS THE, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GOT JAMMED UP.
AND THE ISSUE IS THAT'S RADICALLY WRONG.
THAT, THAT WE GOT PUT IN THAT POSITION.
WELL, THEY, AND NOW WE'RE SPENDING $700,000.
WELL, THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO GET IT.
THEY GOT A PLAN, THEIR BUDGET OUT.
BUT THEY KNEW THEY WANTED TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION PRIOR THAN A WEEK BEFORE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ON THEIR D WELL, WELL, THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO US SOONER.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD PUSHED, PUSHED BACK AND SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU AN ANSWER.
AND, AND, AND THEY, UNTIL WE HAVE, AND THEY WOULD'VE SAID, FINE, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR IT WITH, WITH THE BLACK ASPHALT, THEN LET 'EM DO IT UNTIL WE GET TIME TO, TO DISCUSS THIS AND COME UP WITH A PLAN.
BUT THEN WE OWN THAT FOR HOWEVER LONG THE ROADS LAST IN, IN, IN THE VILLAGE HERE.
THEY WOULD, I WOULD, I I GUARANTEE YOU, IF WE'D HAD MADE A STINK OUT OF IT YEP.
THEY IN MIND THAT WE, WE QUESTION.
I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, I WOULD'VE CALLED, I WOULD PERSONALLY HAVE CALLED THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AND I'D SAY, SHEP, WHAT, WHAT IN THE HECK IS THIS? AND HE, AND HE WOULD'VE STOPPED IT, BUT HE WOULD NOT ELIMINATED THE PROJECT.
I GUARANTEE YOU THEY WOULD'VE SAID, GIVE US TIME, GIVE US A WEEK.
HE WOULD, HE WOULD'VE ALLOWED US, I CAN'T GET THEM TO CLEAN DITCHES OUT.
HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA CONVINCE 'EM TO LIKE JUST CHANGE, CHANGE ALL, CHANGE YOUR BUDGET PROJECTIONS.
I'M TELLING YOU, I JUST WRONG.
I'M TELLING YOU, THEY, I KNOW HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
AND THEY COULD, IF WE'D HAVE MADE A STINK OUT OF IT, I MEAN, WE COULD EVEN, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN DANNY D***S OR SOMEBODY GO OVER THERE AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON? AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR THE STATE TO RUN THIS.
AND SHEILA, AND YOU AND I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE HOW SCREWED UP IT CAN GET.
SO I'M TELLING YOU, JUST DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.
LET'S JUST DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.
AND WE'VE NOT, THIS IS ONLY ONE OF MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THIS HAS OCCURRED, OKAY.
THIS YEAR, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND IT'S COST US MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I'M NOT GONNA EVEN GO INTO, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU GUYS, THERE'S A, WE GOTTA, WE, WE JUST CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE.
WE'VE GOTTA STOP LETTING THIS HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT HAPPENS TO US AND WE LET IT HAPPEN.
WELL, SAYING WE LET, LET IT HAPPEN.
I'M TOTALLY SHOCKED THAT THAT HAPPENED.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST, I, WELL, I WAS AFRAID TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS OKAY.
WELL IT'S GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP.
THE ONLY TIME WE GET TOGETHER, AND I'M SURPRISED THIS WASN'T EVEN, I SHOULD, I COULD HAVE SAID, WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING? AND MIKE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET HERE, BUT, BUT I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T WANNA CAUSE A BIG FUR BALL, BUT I DO WANT US TO DO THE, I WANT US TO, I THINK ALL OF YOU WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND RIGHT THING IS
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FOR US TO SIT HERE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION, HAVE AN INPUT, AND MAYBE EVEN GET CITIZENS INPUT ON THIS IF WE CAN.BUT WE SHOULD BEEN AT LEAST BEEN ABLE TO SIT TOGETHER AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS AN AFTER FACT DISCUSSION.
SO I JUST, I I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS HAPPEN THIS MUCH UNTIL RECENTLY.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
I MEAN, YOUR CLASSIFICATION OF FINDING MORE TAX RATE REDUCTIONS ON APPEASEMENT, I'M, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE GOOD WORD.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE SAVE PEOPLE MONEY BY DOING THAT NOW.
NOW YOU, THEY MAY NOT BE, UM, PUT A NEW ADDITIONAL ON THEIR HOME OVER THAT, BUT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BY DOING WHAT YOU CAN, THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU GOT, BUT YOU PUT IN PERSPECTIVE.
BUT PUT IT, I WANTED SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT $750,000 BY TAKING THAT OUT, YOU'RE GONNA COST US MORE MONEY WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PAY FOR, FOR THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THAT $750,000 WAS GOING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE NEEDED TO BORROW IN THE INTEREST THAT WE HAVE TO PAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
NO, THAT'S NOT WHERE THAT MONEY CAME FROM.
BUT WE'RE GETTING THINGS CROSS.
WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE CROSSWISE HERE ON SOME OF THIS STUFF.
I, I LOOKED AT IT AS AN APPEASEMENT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
IF, IF, I MEAN, YOU WERE TRYING HARD TO BALANCE IT OUT.
AND THAT WAS THE, THE VERY NOBLE EFFORT HE WANTED MILLIONS, $4 MILLION.
AND IF WE'D HAD TO SIT DOWN, AND I, AND I, I'LL TAKE BLAME FOR THIS BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS HAD, DID NOT, THAT, THAT CIP THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU WAS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE BUY-IN ON THAT.
YOU DID NOT BUY IN ON THE CIP.
NOW YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT SORT OF A, I STILL DON'T THINK YOU'VE BOUGHT INTO IT, BUT YOU GOT TO, YOU'RE FORCED TO BECAUSE YOU WERE UP AGAINST THE WALL ON THE SUSPENSE NEXT YEAR, AND YOU'VE POINTED THIS OUT.
NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THAT LINE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, AND SO IT'S TAKEN ME A WHILE TO ADJUST TO HAVING NEW, YOU KNOW, NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
SO, I MEAN, FOR GOD, FOR 20 YEARS WE WERE, YOU KNOW, AND ONLY GET ONE NEW MEMBER AND WE COULD OVERWHELM 'EM, YOU KNOW, BUT WITH TWO OF YOU, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
SO NOW I USE THIS AS AN APPEASEMENT BECAUSE RELATIVE TO $190 MILLION, $700,000 IS NOTHING.
THAT'S WHY I SAID 4 MILLION WAS NOTHING.
AND Y'ALL SHOOK YOUR HEAD LIKE THAT WAS CRAZY RELATIVE.
BUT RELATIVE THAT THOSE FEW BUCKS TO SOME PEOPLE MEAN, MEAN A LOT.
AND I DON'T THINK THOSE PEOPLE WERE TO FEEL LIKE THAT'S AN APPEASEMENT.
THEY'RE LIKE, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST PUTTING THIS MONEY BACK IN MY POCKET.
THEY'RE GETTING 'EM LIKE $2 AND 50 CENTS.
THAT'S WHAT THOSE, THOSE SMALL CUTS CAME OUT TO ROUGHLY ABOUT $3 AND 80 CENTS.
SO DO WE NOT DO THEM BECAUSE NO, NO.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA KILL OURSELVES ON THIS AND WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME SWEAT INTO IT NEXT YEAR, WE GOTTA ROLL UP OUR MONEY.
I MIGHT ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.
INSTEAD OF SCREWING AROUND AND DOING THINGS THAT I THINK WE COULD HAVE USED THE MONEY REALLY FOR CAMERAS, THE $50,000 TO CAMERAS AWAY FROM OUR, UH, EMERGENCY CENTER THAT, THAT COULD HAVE USED FOR SECURITY.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT DID, WHAT DID THAT DO? WE GAVE 'EM 63 MILLION.
NE DIDN'T DO, I DIDN'T DO THAT.
IS THAT'S JUST NOISE LEVEL THERE.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD'VE MAYBE DELAYED ONE PERSON.
UM, BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THIS, THE FIRE TRUCK THAT WE SHIFTED OVER.
UM, AND WE STARTED GETTING TO THE BIG NUMBERS.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE'RE LEARNING.
BUT I, I JUST WANTED, I, MY WHOLE POINT HERE, STEVE, WAS I JUST DON'T WANT US DOING THE PHONE CALLS ANYMORE.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE TIME ON THE CALENDAR SPECIFIC TO THE BUDGET TO HAVE WORK SESSIONS SEPARATE FROM OUR NORMAL SCHEDULED MEETING.
SO THAT IF WE NEED TO HAVE THE TIME, IT'S ALREADY BOOKED.
AND I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE GOING THROW MY HANDS UP AND GO, WELL, WE CAN'T MEET ANYMORE.
SO I GUESS WE'RE, THAT'S AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
WE, WE, WE KEPT WORKING AND WE DIDN'T CARE WHAT WE GOT.
SO, SO LET'S JUST, SO THE PROFANITY, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT WAS A BOAT THAT WAS PART OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE EVENT WORK.
NOT, NOT JUST A DOCK, BUT A, A PART OF THE EVENT.
A REGISTER PARTICIPANT OF, OF THE, OF THE EVENT.
WHICH EVENT? OF, OF THE RACE BOAT, THE BOAT RACES ON SUNDAY.
SO PART OF THE EVENT WAS A PARADE OF ALL THE VESSELS THAT WERE PARTICIPATING, WHICH WAS GREAT.
IT HAD VESSELS, BIG AND LARGE, SMALL EVERYTHING,
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UM, ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONFIGURATION.I JUST KEPT LOOKING DOWN AND THERE WAS A CONSTANT LINE OF BOATS.
ONE BOAT CAME BY WITH A FLAG THAT HAD A PROFANITY ON IT.
UM, I WAS STANDING AT THE DOCK WHEN IT WENT BY.
AND NEXT THING I KNOW, OUR DOCK MASTER WAS THERE.
STARTED, STARTED ADDRESSING IT, TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE CAPTAIN IN THE SHORT ORDER.
GOT HOLD OF THE RIGHT PERSON, GOT GOT THE, THE OFFENSIVE PROFANE SIGN REMOVED.
AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY ANYMORE THE REST OF THE DAY.
UM, THERE WERE KIDS ALLOWED UP ON THE SHORE, AND WE HAVE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AS PART OF THE RULES TO PARTICIPATE IN, AND IT SAYS NO PROFANITY.
SO THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE RULES.
SO I, SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT THAT COVERED.
JUST SOMEBODY WASN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES.
AND IF WE COULD HAVE CALLED 'EM FURTHER DOWN THE RIVER, WE COULD HAVE STOPPED IT SOONER.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY SEE WHAT YOU ONLY SEE.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE YOU COULD SEE IT FROM MILES AWAY.
YOU DIDN'T SEE IT UNTIL IT GOT UP ON TOP OF YOU.
AND AS SOON AS WE SAW IT, UM, JAMES GR OUR DOCK PASTOR ADDRESSED IT, IT GOT IT TAKEN CARE OF.
SO, UM, THAT WAS, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT.
BUT PLEASE DON'T LET THAT ONE INCIDENT MAR AN OTHERWISE FANTASTIC EVENT.
UH, I, I, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS WHEN IT WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED.
AND IT TURNED OUT WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL DAY.
I CAME DOWN TO PARTICIPATE WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO BE, BE PART OF IT, UM, RIGHT AFTER CHURCH SWUNG DOWN HERE.
AND AS SOON AS I GOT DOWN TO THE, TO THE WATER, SAW HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE UP ON THE SHORELINE TO PARTICIPATE.
THE, THE RIVER WAS FULL OF BOATS JUST OUT THERE WATCHING.
AND WE JUST HAD THIS LONG PARADE OF BOATS AND PLENTY PARTICIPANTS IN ALL THE DIFFERENT CLASSES.
WE HAD BOATS AT THE, UH, WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, DEALERS THERE LINED UP TO, TO DISPLAY BOATS.
WE HAD A MODEL BOAT SHOW IN THE FREIGHT SHED.
WE HAD, UM, A, THE PROCLAMATION OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY DID RISE DAY.
UM, WE HAD, I THINK WE HAD, UH, REMOTE CONTROL BOAT RACES OUT, OUT OFF THE PIER TWO.
UM, I HAD ALREADY HAD VENDORS TALKING ABOUT, HEY, NEXT YEAR, LET'S DO THIS.
I I, IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER NEXT YEAR.
'CAUSE WE WERE DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE, UM, A BOAT DOCKING CONTEST NEXT YEAR.
'CAUSE WE GOT ASKED, HEY, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT YEAR TOO.
SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.
UM, A LOT, LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOYED IT.
HAD A GOOD TURNOUT DOWN THERE.
AND I, I'M KIND OF, I, I DON'T WANNA JUST SPEAK ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE WE DO LOTS OF THINGS EVERY WEEKEND DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT, ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES.
BUT THIS ONE WAS KIND OF, I WAS KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT HOW WELL IT WENT, UM, HOW SMOOTH I THOUGHT IT WENT.
UM, AND AT THE GREAT TURNOUT, PLENTY OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND DOWN THERE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING THIS AN ANNUAL THING.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO STAFF GETTING IT DONE.
WHAT HAPPENED? DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR IDEA OF HAVING A FISHING CONTEST? REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED? WE, WE, WE DID HAVE ONE SCHEDULED, BUT WE HAD BAD WEATHER AND WHICH DROVE DOWN THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS.
SO WE KIND OF PUT IT OFF FOR THIS YEAR.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN.
WE'RE GONNA RETOOL AND TRY GET IT.
YEAH, WE WERE, DO, UH, WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT IT, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A ROCKFISH CONTEST.
BUT THEY, THE DOCK MASS HAD A BETTER IDEA OF DO DOING COIA, SO, UH OH, REALLY? OKAY.
SO, BUT WEATHER WASN'T, UH, COOPERATING AND PEOPLE WEREN'T SIGNING UP.
SO WE KIND OF JUST PUNT IT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
SO YEAH, I WAS GONNA LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
I, I WAS TOO, BUT JUST WASN'T WORKING OUT.
BUT WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND SCHEDULE THIS AGAIN TOO.
SO, UM, AND JUST TOUCH REAL QUICK TOO, ON THE MEMORIAL.
THEY THINK I'M ALWAYS, WHEN I WALK OUT THERE AND I LOOK AT THAT MONUMENT SIDE, JUST HOW FAR BACK OUR HISTORY GOES, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT GOES BACK PRE-REVOLUTIONARY WAR.
AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW LONG CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY HAVE BEEN SERVING AND SACRIFICING.
AND IT GOES RIGHT UP TO MODERN DAY.
SO, UM, DON'T WANT THAT MONUMENT GETTING ANY BIGGER, BUT IT, IT, IT SERVES IT PURPOSE TO RECOGNIZE THE SACRIFICE THAT HAD BEEN MADE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ANYBODY? ALRIGHT, SO IF THAT,
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UH, WE HAVE A CLOSED MEETING, IF YOU COULD PLEASE TAKE US INTO CLOSE MM-HMM.IN THE COURTS WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE COURT OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING, UH, LEGAL MATTERS AND LEGAL MATTERS.
UM, CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTER REQUIRING PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY COUNSEL.
IS THAT ABOUT IT? UM, WHAT WAS THIS? SAY? THINK ALL THE, ALL THE XS CROSSED OFF? I THINK SO.
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CARRIED.