May 08, 2024 Planning Commission

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[1. Call to Order]

THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.

THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.

THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BOARD BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.

SECRETARY ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN.

MR. TITUS? HERE.

MR. HAM? YES.

MR. KING? HERE.

MR. KRINER? HERE.

MR. SMITH? HERE.

MR. WATMAN? HERE.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE PLEDGE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY.

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HAVE ANY COMMENT? ANY CHANGES FROM ANYONE? HAVING SEEN NONE? WILL YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. WASSER WAS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON APRIL 10TH, 2024.

MR. TITUS? YES.

MS. LIAM? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. KRANER? YES.

MR. WATMAN? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE

[5. Citizen Comments]

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

UH, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, YOU CAN SPEAK, UH, ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

UH, YOU ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

WE ASK YOU TO RESPECT THAT.

UH, THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW WHENEVER, INDICATING THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO WRAP UP AND RED INDICATES THAT YOU'VE BEEN COMPLETE.

UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOR ITEMS? NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, OH, I DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP.

UH, MS. SILL? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

OH, THAT'S MY WALLET, BUT I JUST HAD KNEE SURGERY, SO I'M WITH YOU.

MINE'S A 22ND.

ALRIGHT.

AND I, I'LL HAVE TO SAY I'M NOT A VERY GOOD SPEECHMAKER, SO, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET IT DEFENDED BY WHAT I SAY HERE BECAUSE SIR, SIR, IF YOU COULD BRING THE MICROPHONE UP JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR US, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR, LEAN OVER A LITTLE BIT.

WELL, Y'ALL, YOU, YOU NEED MY NAME AND ALL THAT ANYMORE? YES, SIR.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? OH, DELMA STURGILL 3 0 7 COUNTRY LANE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

UH, I'M JUST GONNA EXPRESS MY FEELINGS AND MY OPINIONS, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE, UH, ANGRY ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER.

IF I GET A LITTLE LOUD, MY WIFE SAYS, I GET LOUD WHEN I START TALKING , THE LONGER I TALK, I GET LOUDER.

AND PLEASE THAT I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING, ANY HARM ABOUT THAT.

BUT I I'M GONNA START BY SAYING THAT IN 1979, ME AND MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY, WE NEEDED A PLACE TO COME TO GO TO LIVE.

SO WE CHOSE YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE YOUR COUNTY HAD A GOOD REPUTATION AS A GOOD SCHOOL, GOOD LAW ENFORCEMENT, FAIR TAXES, GOOD REPRESENTATION THAT THE PEOPLE ELECTED BY THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND IT WAS A GOOD PLACE TO COME TO, TO RAISE FEW KIDS.

SO I CAME AND I ENDED UP ON COUNTRY LANE DOWN THERE, AND IT WAS A ROUGH, ROUGH ROAD, A HOLD UP A WHILE.

HAD TO GO DOWN THERE AND BUILD A HOUSE, CLEAR THE LOT, BUILD A HOUSE.

AND THEN IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE SOMEHOW EVER SINCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING.

AND EVERYBODY HAD TO PULL TOGETHER DOWN THERE.

AND WE'VE MILK COUNTRY LANE, MORE OR LESS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN THERE.

SO ANYHOW, SO IT HAS, IT HAS WORKED WELL FOR ME AND I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

I RAISED MY

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AND MY SON IS GROWN AND HE'S DOING PRETTY WELL.

HE IS HAVING SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS, BUT I'LL MOVE ON.

SO I, THEY, IT LEFT THE, I FEEL LIKE YOUR COUNTY HAS MOVED, LIVED UP TO, TO THAT REPUTATION UP UNTIL NOW WITH THIS CLUSTER STUFF IS HAPPENING UP THERE.

AND EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY I TRY TO ASK ABOUT, IT SEEMS TO NOT BE ABLE TO TELL ME ANYTHING EXCEPT THAT IT IS, IT, IT'S, UH, ILLEGAL TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND IT MEETS THE ZONING OR WHATEVER.

AND, AND, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY, FROM ANYBODY THAT ANY OF THIS IS HAPPENING OTHER THAN ONLY INFORMATION.

INFORMATION I GET IS ASKING THE, ASKING THE PEOPLE UP THERE WORKING, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT ARE WE DOING, THE SURVEYORS AND WHAT, WHATNOT, WHATEVER.

SO THE NEXT THING WE KNOW THIS, THIS IS HAPPENING, AND I, I THINK I REMEMBER A SIGN THAT WAS UP ON THE ROAD UP THERE BY DOLLAR RV ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE, POSSIBLY THIS PROJECT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS WAS SOMETIME AGO, BUT IT IS ON, IT IS ON A, ON FAULKNER LANE ADDRESS.

SO, OKAY, SIR.

AND, AND THIS PROJECT DOES NOT FIT THE AREA.

AND, AND OF OTHER HOMES, EVEN FAULKNER OR US DOWN THE ROAD AND WITH THE PEOPLE THAT'S GONNA HAVE COMING OUT IN THE AND CROSSING COUNTRY LANE, THERE'S GONNA BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE CHILDREN OF FALLING IN THEM HOLES.

THE PEOPLE THAT HADN'T BEEN DOWN THERE AND SEEN IT, I WISH THEY'D GO DOWN THERE AND SEE IT.

THERE'S HOLES DOWN THERE.

IF I FELL IN IT MYSELF, I PROBABLY MIGHT DIE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE WELL, BUT I'M NOT QUITE THROUGH, SO I, I, I WANT TO SAY, WELL, SIR, I WANT TO SAY, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT PLEASE, UH, ALLOW ME TO DO SO.

I SIR, MINUTES.

I WOULD LIKE, I WANT GIVE YOU, STAY IN YOUR COUNTY MINUTES AND I WANT STAY ON COUNTRY LANE, BUT I'M PRAYED THAT THIS IS GONNA CAUSE US A PROBLEM TO DOWN THE COUNTRY LANE THERE THAT I'LL BE SEEKING ME ANOTHER PLACE TO LIVE.

I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I'D LIKE TO REVIEW ALL PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THAT, THAT I DON'T WANT YOUR COUNTY TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.

MAYBE, MAYBE OUR GOVERNMENT IS SLEEP SLIPPING FROM WHAT IT WAS OR SOMETHING IS SLIPPING, IT SEEMS TO ME.

AND THAT'S MY OPINION, AND I I'M ENTITLED TO MY OPINION.

YES, SIR.

SO I WISH SOME OF Y'ALL WOULD THINK VERY SERIOUSLY ABOUT THAT.

IF YOU GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, UH, THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU, I, I FEEL PUTTING IT DOESN'T FIT.

OKAY, SIR, WE NEED TO MOVE ON, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELL, AND WE AND STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO THAT.

UH, PLEASE DON'T APPLAUD, PLEASE.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE, WE, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR QUORUM.

APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, STAFF HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

UH, YES.

SO THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OF IT, UH, HE WAS SPEAKING MICROPHONE, UH, THERE WE GO.

UH, THE PROPERTY HE WAS SPEAKING OF IS 1 48 FAULKNER ROAD.

UH, WE, WE GAVE YOU ALL A COPY OF THE SUBDIVISION.

IT IS A BUY RIGHT SUBDIVISION.

UM, IT IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION, WHICH MEANS THEY PUT THE HOMES A LITTLE CLOSER TOGETHER AND AVOID THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.

SO THIS, UH, PLAN WAS SUBMITTED, UH, LAST YEAR.

UH, IT WAS REVIEWED AND A COMMENT LETTER WAS SENT TO THE APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER, UM, ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2023.

UM, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING SINCE THAT TIME, SO WE ARE NOT SURE IF IT'S MOVING FORWARD.

IT HASN'T BEEN RESUBMITTED.

UM, SO I'M NOT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.

UM, BUT IT IS A BUYRIGHT SUBDIVISION.

IT, IT, IT HAS ONLY BEEN THROUGH ONE REVIEW.

IT'S NOT UNDER APPROVAL OR ANYTHING AT THIS, THIS STAGE.

UH, IT'S JUST UNDER THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UM, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY CODE.

SO THIS IS NOT ONE THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, CORRECT? CORRECT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UH, QUESTION MR. UH, MR. ANDERSON.

UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE FOLKS IN THE CROWD HERE FROM COUNTRY ROAD, TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, WHAT DOES BY RIGHT MEAN? AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AND WHAT'S THE AIM AND INTENT OF IT? SURE, SURE.

THE, UM, UM, I'LL START WITH THE CLUSTER PIECE.

SO THE CLUSTER IS, ALLOWS SOMEONE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, BUT TO, UM, CHANGE HOW THEY LAY OUT THE PROP PROPERTIES.

SO INSTEAD OF BUILDING, UM, LET'S SAY IF YOU HAVE AN ACRE, EIGHT ACRE PARCEL AND YOU ONLY, YOU HAVE TO BUILD ONE ACRE HOMES INSTEAD OF BUILDING ONE ACRE HOMES ON BIG LOTS, UM, YOU

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SO YOU BUILD LESS ROADS.

UM, YOU PRESERVE OPEN SPACE AREAS, UM, OR AREAS WHERE THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

UH, YOU PRESERVE THOSE AREAS WITH A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST QUESTION BY RIDE? OH, THE, UH, WHAT WOULD MEANS BY RIGHTS? SO THE COUNTY HAS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS ADOPTED A SET OF REGULATIONS, UM, IT'S CALLED THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT, THESE ARE ORDINANCES THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE A BY RIGHT SUBDIVISION MEANS THAT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS, IS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

AND IF THEY DO, THEN IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

UH, THE, THESE ORDINANCES ARE VERY THICK, VERY DETAILED.

THEY, UH, CONSIDER A LOT OF THINGS, EVERYTHING FROM THE SIZE OF ROADS TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THE SETBACKS, UM, HOW YOU INSTALL WATER AND SEWER LINES, UH, HOW YOU PRESERVE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND, UH, PUTTING THEM UNDER CERTAIN EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S MY BEST ANSWER, , AND THANK YOU.

AND I THINK LASTLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AND I, WE MAY MAYBE ALREADY SAID IT, SO EXCUSE ME IF WE DID AND OR WE DID THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PLAYS NO ROLE IN THIS SINCE IT'S ALREADY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

BECAUSE IN FACT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS NO ROLE IN THIS.

CORRECT.

OTHER THAN THEY APPROVE THE COUNTY CODE, THEY, THAT THE COUNTY CODES ALREADY APPROVED.

SO THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THIS.

UM, AND FOR THE CITIZENS, IT MAY NOT BE IDEAL IN YOUR SITUATION, BUT, UM, I THINK WHAT MR. ANDERSON'S POINTING OUT, IT, IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE, UM, IN SOME RESPECTS OF HAVING, UH, EIGHT HOMES SPREAD OUT OVER ONE ACRE LOTS WITH MORE ROADS AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO EASE YOUR CONCERNS.

I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE NO ROLE HERE IN THIS, IN THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

JUST A QUESTION FOR JUST SPEAKER OFF.

I, NOW I GOTTA TURN MY MIC ON 'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HEAR ME VERY WELL ANYMORE.

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UH, SO WHAT WOULD BE THEIR NEXT STEP? IF I, THE PEOPLE OUT HERE, THEY'RE VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A ROLE.

BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DON'T HAVE A ROLE.

MAYBE NOBODY HAS A ROLE, BUT IF THEY WANT TO PRESS IT, WHO DO THEY GO TO? THE ADMINISTRATOR.

I MEAN, I, I GUESS THEY COULD THEY GO TO SPEAK TO THEIR BOARD MEMBERS? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ANYBODY COULD DO BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE ALREADY PASSED AND WE'VE BROUGHT A SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.

SO EVEN IF WE CHANGED THE REGULATIONS FOR SOME REASON, THEY STILL WOULD'VE A BY RIGHT ABILITY TO BUILD THE SUBDIVISION.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME BY OUR OFFICE AND REVIEW THE SUBDIVISION AND SEE, SEE IT, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, REVIEW ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THOSE ARE ALL PUBLIC DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CAN COME AND LOOK AT AND, AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU'D LIKE.

YEAH, I THANK YOU.

I JUST HATE FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP AND THEN WE JUST GIVE 'EM KIND OF A, NOT MY JOB, YOU KNOW, GOTTA GIVE 'EM SOMEPLACE TO GO IF THERE'S ANY PLACE TO GO.

YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, ANY AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING? NOT ON THE AGENDA, UH, HAVING HEARD NONE, WE WILL, YOU HAVE ONE? YOU HAVE A HAND, SIR.

COME FOUR AGAIN.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

MY NAME IS CHRIS HARMON AT FOUR 50 COUNTRY LANE.

I GUESS I JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SITUATION WITH THE ZONING BECAUSE THAT BELIEVE THAT PARCEL WAS ZONED R 20 AND IT HAS CERTAIN SETBACKS FOR A BUILDABLE HOUSE.

NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT JUST BE SO BECAUSE HE'S GOT ENOUGH LAND THAT HE CAN FOREGO THOSE AND DO A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION.

IS THAT WHAT IT, WHAT'S BEING SAID? I MEAN, HE STILL HAS TO MEET CERTAIN SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

YES, BUT IT'S NOWHERE NEAR THE, THE SAME AS IT WAS FOR A TYPICAL R 20 HOUSE.

CORRECT.

BUT THE, IF IT WAS TYPICAL R 20, THEY WOULD BE SPREAD ENTIRELY DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN COUNTRY LANE RATHER THAN CLUSTERED UP AT THE FRONT.

I GUESS I'M JUST FAILING TO SEE HOW THIS IS BENEFICIAL FOR PROPERTY VALUES.

WELL, IT KEEPS THEM OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS AND KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO BUILD IN THOSE AREAS SO THAT IT PROTECTING THOSE AREAS, IT'S BENEFICIAL, BUT NOT EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND THEM.

I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.

HOW, WHAT DO YOU MEAN PROTECT THEM? WELL, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S BENEFICIAL FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE DEAL WITH THE EXTRA COST OF BUILDING IN, YOU KNOW, IN A LOWER LYING AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT AS LONG AS THEY CAN DO, DO IT, IT'S, I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S JUST FAILING TO SEE HOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY AROUND.

WELL, I MEAN, HE'S STILL ABLE TO BUILD THE SAME AMOUNT OF HOMES IF

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THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND BE THE SAME NUMBER OF HOMES.

THEY WOULD JUST BE SPREAD OUT ALONG COUNTRY LANE.

YOU'D HAVE MULTIPLE DRIVEWAYS ALONG COUNTRY LANE.

SO THESE HOUSES THOUGH, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE SIZE ARE GONNA BE IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE GONNA BE? UH, NO.

'CAUSE THE ONLY THING WE'VE SEEN IS THE LOT SIZES SET BACK FOR THOSE THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE DRASTICALLY SMALLER THAN THE SURROUNDING HOMES.

THEY COULD, YES.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T THEY HAVE, DON'T THEY TEACH THAT IN REAL ESTATE THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT CAN THAT, YOU KNOW, DRASTICALLY AFFECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES? NOT ACCORDING TO OUR REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT OFFICE.

'CAUSE ALL OF OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE BASED OFF LIKE COMPARABLE HOMES.

SO IF YOU HAVE A THREE BEDROOM, 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THEY LOOK AT OTHER THREE BEDROOM, 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES TO COME UP WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T COMPARE YOU TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.

'CAUSE YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD HAVE A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.

THEY DON'T COMPARE YOU TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.

BUT WHEN THE PERSON GOES TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY OTHER SMALLER HOMES THAT ARE DIFFERENT SIZES THAN IT, AND THEY'RE GONNA BASICALLY SAY IT'S NOT WORTH THE VALUE.

I MEAN, THAT'S A JUDGEMENTAL THING.

I, BUT IT'S NOT THE REAL, IT'S NOT THE WAY OUR REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT IS DONE.

JUST THE FAIR MARKET.

I, I MEAN, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE A REALTOR OR A BANKER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I'M JUST A PLANNER.

NO MORE FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM, .

THANK YOU, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHERS? OKAY.

HAVING HEARD NONE, WE'LL MOVE INTO

[Application No. ZM-198-24, York County Board of Supervisors: Amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying various properties from their existing zoning district to various other zoning districts, as noted in the application. The parcels are located throughout York County and are proposed to be rezoned in accordance with the updated Comprehensive Plan adopted on November 21, 2023. Titled Charting the Course to 2040, the Comprehensive Plan is the long-range plan for the physical development of the County.]

UH, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, TWO TONIGHT PLUS ONE ON, UH, NEW BUSINESS.

UH, TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR PC 24 9.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED THE YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

CHARTING THE COURSE TO 2040.

ADOPTION OF AN UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TYPICALLY FOLLOWED BY A REVIEW OF THE COUNTY'S ZONING MAP, UH, TO DETERMINE WHERE CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE.

WITH THE UPDATED PLAN STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED FOUR AREAS OF THE COUNTY, THE WALLER MILL, LIGHTFOOT PENMAN, NORTH PENMAN SOUTH, UH, YORKTOWN LACKEY AND HORNS VILLE GRAFTON WEST SUB AREAS WHERE THE CURRENT ZONING IS NO LONGER CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A RESULT OF CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, UM, UH, TO LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE PLAN ACCORDINGLY, STAFF IS PRESENTING THIS APPLICATION, WHICH INVOLVES 20 PROPERTIES TO ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF A MULTI-PROPERTY REZONING TO ELIMINATE THE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THE ZONING MAP AND THE 2040 LAND USE MAP.

SO I'M GONNA START, UH, IN THE HORNS SEAVILLE GRAFTON WEST SUB AREA.

THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS ACQUIRED TWO PARCELS TOTALING 210 ACRES FOR PROTECTION OF THE WATERSHED THAT FEEDS INTO THE HARWOODS MILL RESERVOIR.

UH, 78 0 1 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND 1100 DENBY BOULEVARD.

THE PROPERTY ON GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY IS SPLIT ZONED AS GB FOR GENERAL BUSINESS AND RMF FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY.

AND THE PARCEL ON DENBY BOULEVARD IS ZONED IL FOR LIMITED INDUSTRIAL STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REZONE BOTH PARCELS TO RC, WHICH IS, UH, FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION.

SO MOVING ON TO THE WALLER MILL LIGHTFOOT SUB AREA, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG PURCHASED NINE PROPERTIES TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 218 ACRES TO PROTECT THE WATERSHED THAT FEEDS INTO THE, UH, WALLER MILL RESERVOIR.

ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED RR FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND STAFF IS PROPOSING TO REZONE ALL NINE PROPERTIES TO RC.

UH, NEXT UP IS THE PENMAN NORTH, PENMAN SOUTH SUB AREA, THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST AND THE CIVIL WAR PRESERVATION TRUST, WHICH IS A DIVISION OF THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST, ACQUIRED FIVE PARCELS, WHICH ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND EO FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

THESE PARCELS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE BATTLE OF WILLIAMSBURG DURING THE CIVIL WAR AND WERE ACQUIRED FOR RESERVATION PURPOSES.

THEREFORE, THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO RC ACCORDINGLY.

SO NEXT, LOOKING AT THE YORKTOWN LACKEY SUB AREA, THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST ACQUIRED THREE MORE PARCELS IN THE YORKTOWN LACKEY SUB AREA, WHICH ARE ZONED R 13.

THESE PARCELS PLAYED A KEY ROLE

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BECAUSE THEY'RE ACQUIRED FOR PRESERVATION PURPOSES, THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO RC AND RETURNING TO THE HORNSBY VILLAGE, GRAFTON WEST SUB AREA, THE LAST PROPERTY 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD IS CURRENTLY SPLIT ZONED AS GB AND IG, WHICH STANDS FOR, UH, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

UH, HOWEVER IT'S DESIGNATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

THEREFORE, STAFF PROPOSES IT BE REZONED ENTIRELY TO IG.

THE 10.3 ACRE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.

AND STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED, UH, REZONING TO IG WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER ALONG THIS AREA OF WOLF TRAP ROAD.

SO THE NET EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED REZONINGS ON LAND AREA BY ZONING DISTRICT IS SHOWN IN THIS TABLE.

UH, NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE LARGEST INCREASE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 787 ACRES IS IN THE RC DISTRICT.

THE LARGEST DECREASE APPROXIMATELY 310 ACRES IS IN THE EO DISTRICT.

THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUSTS ACQUISITION OF THESE PARCELS ACCOUNTS FOR THE BULK OF THIS LAND.

UH, IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGES, UH, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IS AGAIN, THE RC ZONING DISTRICT, UH, WHILE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DECREASES IN THE IL ZONING DISTRICT.

SO THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF THE, OF MOST OF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES IS NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE 19 OF THE 20 SUBJECT PARCELS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR CURRENT USE, WHICH IS CONSERVATION.

UM, AS PREVIOUSLY, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD AS ENTIRELY GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

AND STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED REZONING TO IG WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER ALONG THIS AREA OF WOLF TRAP ROAD.

UH, FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH NINE OH.

THANK YOU.

AND I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE OWNERS OF 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD CONTACTED US AND EXPRESSED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY.

I FORWARDED THEIR EMAIL TO YOU AND PLACED A PRINTED COPY ON THE DAIS FOR EACH OF YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REGARDING THIS APPLICATION.

ION EXCUSE, OH, I GUESS I HAVE QUESTIONS.

GOTTA TURN MY MIC ON AGAIN.

UH, JUST ACROSS FROM GODWIN NECK ROAD'S, ANOTHER GB PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I THINK I SEE THE RED DOT THERE ON, ON THIS.

SO THE SURROUNDING AREA THERE IS EVEN THERE IS A GB.

AND THEN SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE REAL DIFFERENCE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF IG AND GB? SO, UM, WHEN IT SPLIT ZONED AS I, AS GB AND IG, UM, USES THAT COULD GO IN BY RIGHT.

WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT IS, UM, IN OUR TABLE OF LAND USES IN, IN THE CODE, UH, DESIGNATED AS GENERAL BUSINESS.

UM, AND OF COURSE IF THERE ARE, UH, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL USES, THEY CAN GO IN THERE AS WELL BY, RIGHT.

UH, THE CHANGE WOULD MEAN THAT, UM, ONLY, UM, INDUSTRIAL USES COULD GO INTO THAT PROPERTY BY RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF GENERAL BUSINESSES THAT COULD GO IN THERE IF THE PROPERTY OWNER SO WISH AND, AND THINGS HAPPEN, RIGHT.

UH, UNDER GB, UH, AS EXISTING.

SECOND QUESTION, IS THERE A GRANDFATHER ISSUE HERE AT ALL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? NO.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE JUST GONNA CHANGE THEIR CODE AND THEY DON'T CARE FOR IT.

I'M SORRY.

WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THEIR ZONING DESIGNATION FROM GB TO IG AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A VERY BIG VOICE ON YAY OR NAY.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.

THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR OPPOSITION.

UH, THEY'RE ALSO HERE TONIGHT AND PLAN TO SPEAK.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

QUESTION ON, ON THAT PROPERTY AGAIN.

SO WHY WAS IT NOT IG ? WHY WAS THAT, WHY, WHY WAS IT ZONED AS G SPLIT ZONED AS GB AND IG? YEAH.

UH, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.

UM, SO THERE'S NO HISTORY ON THAT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.

UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD MAYBE, UH, DEFER TO MR. ANDERSON.

UH, NO, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS, WE JUST NOTICED THIS IN THE LAST, IN THIS LAST REVIEW WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PARCELS.

IT JUST KIND OF POPPED OUT AT US AS ONE THAT WAS, IT WAS, WHY WAS THIS PROPERTY GB? 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO GB USES OUT THERE.

I MEAN, IG OFFERS OFFERS A LOT MORE USES THAN GB DOES.

GB IS A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE IN WHAT YOU CAN DO.

GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, USUALLY YOU CAN HAVE MORE INTENSE USES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THERE, YOU'VE GOT A

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SO WE JUST FELT, WE JUST AS STAFF THOUGHT IG WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SAID THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE CHANGE.

THEY WOULD MUCH PREFER TO KEEP IT GENERAL BUSINESS SPLIT AND IG SO THEY DON'T, THEY WOULD ACT, ACTUALLY ASK YOU TO JUST TAKE IT OFF THE RESOLUTION.

DOES IG PROVIDE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY? UH, WE THOUGHT SO AS STAFF, BUT THEY, I MEAN, I'LL LET THE APP, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER SPEAK BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT WE AS STAFF FELT THERE WOULD BE MORE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU CAN DO IN GENERAL BUSINESS, YOU CAN DO AN IG AND A LOT OF THEM DON'T REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, IT'S UP TO THEM, CORRECT? IT IS UP TO THEM.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR STATE? NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD UP PLEASE? SURE.

YES.

THANK YOU.

HI, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

MY NAME IS, UH, DEBBIE RIS.

UH, THIS IS MY HUSBAND KENNY, AND WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1900 WOLF DROP ROAD.

UM, I DID SEND YOU, UM, THE FOLKS AT EMAIL TODAY SAYING THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT THEY DO NOT DO THIS.

I DO NOT WANT THEM TO CHANGE IT.

NOW MY LETTER SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE BEING, BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT.

SO I'M GONNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT MY LETTER SAYS THAT I WAS PRESENTED.

AND IT SAYS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS AND IG AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT TO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.

AND THAT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE BEING PRESENTED HERE THIS EVENING.

LIMITED INDUSTRIAL TOTALLY TIES MY HANDS.

I AM WANTING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, AND SO I'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT OPEN SO THAT I HAVE MORE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUYERS.

IT GIVES THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DO OTHER THINGS.

IT IS ON A MAJOR CORNER THERE, SO IT DOES LEND ITSELF TO HAVING SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A GENERAL BUSINESS.

UM, WE JUST RECEIVED THIS NOTICE IN LESS THAN A WEEK, WHICH KIND OF GAVE US NOT A LOT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT OR PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING.

UM, HAVE TRIED TO SEEK SOME WISE COUNSEL AND, UH, UPON SPEAKING TO REALTORS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE SALES AS WELL AS, UH, COMMERCIAL PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY, UH, THEY HAVE ALL BASICALLY ADVISED ME TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY AS ZONED.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING, THAT WE BE DELETED FROM THE, JUST, WHAT'S THE WORD? UH, YOU USED THE WORD, I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW.

UH, EXCLUDED.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE OUR PROPERTY, BE EXCLUDED FROM THE PLAN ENTIRELY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANNA ASK ME? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, SCRIBNER'S ERROR ON THE LETTER THAT I SENT YOU.

I APOLOGIZE.

OKAY.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL.

OKAY.

I STILL FEEL LIKE THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES IF IT WAS LEFT AS IT IS.

ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

IT'S JUST A VERY EASY FIX.

I AGREE.

YEP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

UH, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.

UH, FOR NOT, UH, OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I'LL START.

OH, I REMEMBER TO TURN MY MIC OFF.

.

VERY GOOD.

I THINK WE OUGHT LEAVE THE WOLF TRAP THING ALONE.

OKAY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A REAL DESIRE FOR IT.

I REALLY HATE TO TAKE PROPERTY AND REZONE IT.

AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES, DOES NOT APPROVE A DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT REZONING.

OKAY.

ANYTHING MARY? NO, GO AHEAD.

UH, MS. CHAIRMAN, AS, AS YOU KNOW, I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE.

UH, WE SPENT THREE YEARS WORKING ON THIS.

THERE WAS NO BURNING DESIRE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO BE CHANGED OTHER THAN TO MAKE IT WHOLE.

I RECALL THAT THE INTEREST, AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, WAS SOLELY, UH, THINKING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY BENEFIT MORE FROM THE CHANGE.

UH, SO THERE WAS NOTHING BEHIND, UH, WANTING TO CHANGE IT OTHER THAN THINKING THAT IT WOULD MAKE A, A LARGER IN, UH, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL AREA AND PROBABLY EASIER TO LURE BUSINESS.

AND SO WE WERE, IT WAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, HOWEVER YOU STATED YOU WISH TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF LEAVING THIS ONE ALONE AND LET THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THEIR, UH, MAINTAIN THEIR CURRENT ZONING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? LAST CALL, MR. CHAIRMAN.

JUST TO, UH, POINT OF ORDER YOU NEED

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OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

UH, SO I'D TAKE IT THAT WE CAN ENTERTAIN A REVISION, UH, FOR THIS TO REMOVE THE 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD FROM THIS RESOLUTION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, ELIMINATE, UH, 1900 WOLF TRAP ROAD FROM THIS LIST AND, UH, FORWARD THIS FORWARD.

PC 24 DASH NINE ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

OKAY.

WITH AN R DASH NINE R, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

R OKAY.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. KRINER IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH NINE R TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE YORK COUNTY ZONING MAP BY RECLASSIFYING VARIOUS PROPER PROPERTIES AND ELIMINATING 1900 WOLF TRAP OR MR. TITUS? YES, MR. KING? YES.

MR. KLEINER? YES.

MR. VOSSER? YES.

MS. LITUM? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING TO SPEAK.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

[Application No. YVA-55-24, The Abingdon Group LLC: Request for Yorktown Village Activity approval, pursuant to Section 24.1-327(b) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a tourist home within an existing accessory apartment addressed as 102 Pulaski Street (Route 1010) on the same lot with an existing single-family detached dwelling addressed as 105 Ambler Street (Route 1009). The 0.2-acre property (GPIN P12c-1805-1380) is zoned YVA (Yorktown Village Activity) and is designated Yorktown in the Comprehensive Plan.]

OVER TO YOU STAFF PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY APPROVAL, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME WITH AN EXISTING ACCESSORY APARTMENT.

UM, ADDRESSED 1 0 2 PAWLOWSKI STREET ON THE SAME LOT AS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, DWELLING ADDRESSED 1 0 5 AMBLER STREET, THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED YVA AND DESIGNATED YORKTOWN.

IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE SUBJECT PAR PARCEL HAS FRONTAGE ON AMBLER STREET AND PAWLOWSKI STREET.

HOWEVER, THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT ONLY HAS FRONTAGE ON PAWLOWSKI STREET.

ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THE HOUSE IN THE RED CIRCLE IS THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT, WHILE THE, UH, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IN THE BLUE CIRCLE IS WHERE THE SUPERVISING TENANT RESIDES.

THE STANDARDS REQUIRE THE OWNER TO EITHER RESIDE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES, OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN SUPERVISE ALL RENTALS.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN ADDED REQUIRING A SIGNED RESPONSIBLE PARTY CONTRACT BETWEEN THE TENANT OF 1 0 5 AMBLER STREET AND THE APPLICANT.

THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS IN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

THIS IS THE, UH, PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE WHERE THE SUPERVISING TENANT, UM, LIVES.

THIS, UH, 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN YORKTOWN VILLAGE.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR TOURIST HOMES STATE THE, THAT THE BOARD SHALL SPECIFY THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PERSONS WHO MAY BE ACCOMMODATED IN A TAUS HOME BASED ON THE DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA, AS WELL AS THE SIZE AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME.

THE TAUS HOME SHALL ONLY BE RENTED AS A ONE BEDROOM TAURUS HOME.

ONLY THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF GUESTS IN THE TAURUS HOME SHALL ONLY BE TWO ADULTS AND ONE CHILD AT ONE TIME.

THIS IS A VIEW FROM PAWLOWSKI STREET.

IF YOU WERE LOOKING FROM THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT.

THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT FACING, UH, PAWLOWSKI STREET.

THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FOR THE TAURUS HOMES AND TWO FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.

JUST TO NOTE A QUICK CORRECTION TO THE MEMO, THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE ACTUALLY HAS A PARKING AREA OF 20 BY 20 FEET, UM, WHICH IS, UH, LARGE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS.

THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY FOR THE TAURUS TOME IS 27 FEET IN LENGTH AND 10 FEET IN WIDTH, WHICH NECESSITATES AN EXPANSION OF THE PARKING AREA.

THE APPLICANT PLANS TO PAVE THE GRASS HEAT SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING DRIVEWAYS.

TO DO THIS, I'VE MARKED THE, THAT

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A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN ADDED, INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION REQUIRING TWO OFF STREET PAR PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE.

HERE'S A FLOOR PLAN WHERE IT SHOWS THE EX, UH, THAT IT HAS, UM, THE ACCESSORY APARTMENT, THAT IT HAS, ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, AND A SMALL YARD.

THIS IS A MAP OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA.

THE BLUE MARK NOTES THE PROPOSED TAURUS HOME, WHILE THE ORANGE MARKS REPRESENT OPERATING TOWARDS HOMES AND BED AND BREAKFASTS.

WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION DATA IS AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, OR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DETACHED DWELLINGS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

2022 V ESTIMATES STATE THAT AMBLER STREETS CARRY 146 VEHICLES PER DAY, AND PAWLOWSKI STREET CARRIES 73 VEHICLES PER DAY.

UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE TORTOISE HOME WOULD CREATE A NOTICEABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT WITH, UH, PREVIOUS TOURIST HOME APPLICATIONS.

CONCERNS HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EVENTUALLY SELL THE PROPERTY TO SOMEONE WHO WOULD NOT FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURES AS THE APPLICANT TO ALLAY THESE CONCERNS.

THE TERM OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL EXPIRE WHEN THE ABINGTON GROUP LLC CEASES TO OPERATE THE TOR TOME OR NO LONGER OWNS THE PROPERTY, OR WHEN THE TENANT OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IS NO LONGER WILLING AND BOUND TO SERVE AS THE SUPERVISING PARTY ON SITE.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROPOSED LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF THREE NIGHTS TO A MAXIMUM OF 30 NIGHTS.

STAFF HAS INCLUDED THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION.

THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO HOMES.

THE PROPOSAL WOULD ENHANCE LOCAL TOURISM WHILE HAVING A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.

LASTLY, THERE WILL BE NO EFFECT ON ON, ON STREET PARKING, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE REQUIRED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FOR THE TOURIST HOME STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH 10.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY COMMENTS FOR STAFF STARTING HERE? NONE.

JUST I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

OKAY.

DENNIS, DID YOU MEASURE THAT GRASSY AREA, UH, THE GRASSY AREA ITSELF? UM, NO.

WE DID NOT, UM, EXACTLY MEASURE IT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, O OKAY.

I MEAN, IF YOU DIDN'T, IT'S FINE.

WHEN I WAS THERE AND I LOOKED AT IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S 10 FEET WIDE.

I THINK IT'S A LOT NARROWER THAN THAT.

AND SO THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME THAT YOU'VE GOT, EVEN IF YOU PAVE IT IN, THERE'S NOT TWO PARK FULL PARKING SPOTS THERE.

THERE'S, YOU CAN CRAM 'EM IN MAYBE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TOO FAR.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST OBSERVATION.

I DIDN'T GET OUT AND MEASURE IT MYSELF, BUT IT SURE LOOKED AWFUL.

NARROW .

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY NO OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ALL, ALL THE LOTS, THE ONE THAT SHOWS ALL THE LOTS.

UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE COMMENT? UH, ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE ASKED HIM TO BRING THE ZONING MAP UP THAT SHOWED ALL THE PROPERTIES.

YEAH.

GO, GO BACK TO YOUR ZONING MAP MILES.

OKAY.

YOU'RE ALMOST THERE.

THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I THINK OUR APPLICANT, THERE WE GO AGAIN.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UM, JONATHAN PEEBLES, 63 74 MAIN STREET, GLOUCESTER.

UM, SO GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JONATHAN PEEBLES.

I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE AVENUE

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UH, WE'RE A SMALL FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS BASED IN GLOUCESTER, WHERE WE OWN AND MANAGE, UM, SEVERAL RENTAL PROPERTIES.

UH, AND WE, AND WE MAINTAIN THESE PROPERTIES VERY WELL.

UH, OUR PROPERTIES ARE GENERALLY, UM, UH, ALL LONG-TERM RENTALS.

UH, BUT WE HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THERE AND HAD, UH, GOOD SUCCESS WITH IT.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE THE COTTAGE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

UM, THE COTTAGE ON PULASKI IS VERY SMALL AND BY ITS SIZE ALONE, UH, WE THINK IS BETTER SUITED FOR SHORTTERM TENANTS.

UH, IT HAS VERY LITTLE STORAGE.

IT'S SUITABLE FOR ONE TO TWO PEOPLE, UM, AND IN MY ESTIMATION, WOULD NOT ADD ANY TRAFFIC TO THE AREA.

UH, IF ANYTHING WOULD PROBABLY, UH, BE LESS TRAFFIC, UM, WITH SHORT TERM TENANTS.

UM, AND WE ALL, WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL THAT LONG-TERM TENANTS TYPICALLY DO NOT TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE, UH, NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF LEASE YOU CAN COME UP WITH, UH, I WOULD SURMISE THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN THRILLED WITH, UM, THE WAY THE COTTAGE HAS LOOKED RECENTLY.

AND, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN, UH, LONG-TERM, UH, WITH LONG-TERM TENANTS.

UM, THE PAST TENANT WAS A REAL PROBLEM.

HE WAS DIFFICULT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH AND WAS JUST NOT, UH, COOPERATIVE IN KEEPING THE PLACE UP.

UH, WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, BECAUSE OF, UH, THE ONLINE NATURE AND ONLINE REVIEWS, IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL TO KEEP THE PROPERTY IMMACULATE IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY SUCCESS.

UH, AND THAT IS THE INTERIOR AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR.

YOU JUST WILL NOT HAVE ANY RENTALS IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT WELL KEPT IN APPEALING.

UH, AND THESE, THESE REVIEWS, ONLINE REVIEWS WORK BOTH WAYS, UH, AS WE ARE ABLE TO DECLINE RESERVATIONS TO GUESTS, UH, THAT MAY HAVE A BAD TRACK RECORD.

UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF CLEANING UP, UH, AND REMODELING THE COTTAGE.

UH, WE THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD ADDITION, UH, FOR PEOPLE LOOKING TO COME TO YORKTOWN, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WILL BE PLEASED WITH HOW IT LOOKS.

OKAY.

ANY COMMENTS FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? TELL ME HAR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

UH, I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION.

FIRST STEP.

UH, MICHAEL HEDGE.

MICHAEL HEDGE.

I LIVE AT 1 0 7 AMBLER RIGHT BESIDE OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, I'VE LIVED THERE, I'LL BE 21 YEARS IN DECEMBER, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN ANY RENOVATION ON THE PROPERTY OR ANY WHOLE LOT OF CARE.

ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, THE 1 0 5, THEY WENT IN AND REMODELED PART OF IT, BUT THE YARD IS JUST LIKE NOTHING BUT WEEDS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I FIGHT OFF ALL THE TIME.

ALSO, ON THE DRAWING, THEY DON'T SHOW THE DECK THAT THEY BUILT.

I GUESS IT'S A DECK.

IT'S 10, IT'S CLOSE, IT'S FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND 21 FEET FROM MY DECK ON THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD STAND ABOUT RIGHT HERE AND WHERE THE DECK IS, WHERE YOU'RE, I COULD THROW SOMETHING OVER TO YOU OR YOU COULD THROW SOMETHING AT ME.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, THAT, UH, VDOT, THAT WAS 2022.

THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED SINCE THEN.

AND PEOPLE COME UP THERE, THEY THINK THEY CAN GET TO THE BEACH BY DRIVING DOWN AMBLER STREET, AND THEY TURN AROUND IN YOUR YARD, IN YOUR FRONT YARD, STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THE HOUSE AT 1 0 5.

UH, SUPPOSEDLY THERE WAS THREE RESIDENTS WHEN HE MOVED IN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST FIVE IN THERE NOW.

AND, UH, THEY COME AND GO AND THERE'S TWO CARS PARKED OUT ON THE FRONT STREET ON AMBLER, AND THERE'S TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY AT 1 0 5.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S 10 FEET IN THERE TO IMPROVE THAT FAR SPARK PARKING SPACE.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT DECK THAT THEY BUILT IS, UH, 12 BY 10 AND A HALF AND FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND I THINK I'M LIKE

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UH, LIKE I SAID, WHAT HE'S DOING TO THE PLACE NOW, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'VE DONE ANYTHING TO IT SINCE I'VE LIVED THERE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, NEXT STEP I HAVE, UH, IS IT ALRIDGE RIVERA? GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ILDA RIVERA.

I RESIDE AT 1 0 6 PULASKI STREET.

MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.

AND AS FAR AS THAT COTTAGE IS CONCERNED, THERE WERE ACTUALLY TREE BRANCHES GROWING INSIDE THE WINDOW.

SO IT HAS NEVER BEEN KEPT UP.

WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO ARE THE OWNERS SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHY THEY HAVE NEVER COME TO LOOK AT IT, TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

WE ARE OPPOSED TO HAVING AN AIRBNB WHERE IT'S GONNA BRING, YOU'RE GONNA OPEN A PORTAL TO SQUATTERS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME AND GO.

THERE'S CONSTANT TRAFFIC AT 1 0 5.

IT STARTED WITH A FAMILY AND IT BECAME GRAND CENTRAL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE ANYMORE.

THEIR CARS PARKED ALL OVER.

YOU CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF YOUR OWN HOME TO GET OUT TO GO INTO AMBLER.

THERE ARE CARS PARKED EVERYWHERE.

THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL CAME YESTERDAY.

HE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF THE AREA SO I CAN GO TO WORK.

SO, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE EITHER SICK, RETIRE AND THEY'RE ELDERLY.

WE ARE VERY, WE ARE VERY CLOSE KNITTED COMMUNITY.

WE DO NOT WANT STRANGERS COMING IN AND OUT, MUSIC, LOUD NOISES, SQUATTERS COMING.

WE DON'T WANT THAT.

WE DON'T DESERVE THAT.

WE PAY OUR TAXES.

WE WANT TRANQUILITY WHEN WE GET HOME.

WE WANT PEACEFULNESS AND WE REQUEST THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS.

I KNOW IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, MONEY VERSUS THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH.

WE WANNA KEEP IT A SAFE, A WONDERFUL PLACE TO COME HOME TO.

AND WE DON'T WANT THIS CRAZINESS GOING AROUND LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOUSE IN 1 0 5 THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

NO ONE, I'M BEING HONEST, HAS EVER ATTENDED THAT COTTAGE.

NO ONE WITH TREE BRANCHES GROWING INSIDE THE WINDOW.

I, I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN MY LIFE.

SO I REALLY, UM, I WOULD REALLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU OPPOSE THIS.

I MEAN, THAT KIND IS, YOU ARE DEPRIVING MAYBE A GOOD COUPLE FROM LIVING THERE.

THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW LOOKING FOR HOUSING THAT ARE MILITARY COUPLES AND ALL OF THAT.

WE ARE DEPRIVING THAT THEM OF THAT JUST TO BRING IN MONEY.