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ALL RIGHT.WELCOME TO THE APRIL 2ND, 2024 BOARD SUPERVISED MEETING.
TONIGHT WILL BE A WORK SESSION.
I ASK EVERYBODY TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES ARE SILENT.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER YOUR ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
[1* Proposed Fiscal Year 2025 Budget]
AND WE'RE GONNA START OFF TONIGHT WITH SOME PRESENTATIONS.I'M GONNA CALL ON MR. MARK BELLAMY FOR OUR FIRST ONE.
UH, TO START, WE'LL HAVE A SEGMENT ON, UH, BUDGET ITEMS. UH, DR.
AKERS IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, SUPPORT LINE, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL HIM UP FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
AND AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK AND YOUR, YOUR STAFF THAT WORKS WITH YOU ON THIS.
WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE TO START, SIR.
UH, ARE THE SLIDES LOADED? OKAY.
I ASSUME IT MAY BE DOWN HERE IN THE YEP.
AND I CAN'T SEE WELL ENOUGH HERE.
I, THERE'S A COUPLE OF YOU I'VE NEVER MET.
UH, SEVERAL OF YOU I'VE SEEN MANY TIMES BEFORE.
UH, THIS IS A LIST OF THE, UH, THE GUYS THAT WE'RE ON THE COMMITTEE THIS YEAR FROM DISTRICT ONE.
ELLEN THACKER IS FROM DISTRICT FOUR, AND DAVID ALLEN IS FROM DISTRICT FIVE.
UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD A TON OF HELP FROM THE COUNTY STAFF ON THIS.
AND I WANT TO, IN PARTICULAR, THANK SHERRY NEWCOMB, WHO CALLED ME LAST FRIDAY AND, AND TOLD ME I'D FORGOT TO SEND IN THE SLIDES.
UH, SO SHE SAID, THE REASON THAT ALL OF THIS STUFF IS HERE AND READY TO GO TODAY.
SO THE WAY THIS IS SET UP, WE HAD 18 SEPARATE, UH, GROUPS THIS YEAR, ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALL SENT IN REQUESTS.
AND THIS, THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES GRANTS.
AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF REQUESTS WAS A 116,962.
SO THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE OUT IS 60,000.
SO WHAT WE DO, EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE GRANT APPLICATIONS.
THEY LOOK AT THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE REQUESTED.
UH, WE DIVIDE UP THE GROUPS AS YOU SEE HERE, BASED ON WHAT THEY DO AND THE TYPES OF ACT ACTIVITIES AND SERVICES THEY PROVIDE.
AND THEN WE PRIORITIZE WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD GO BASED ON THEIR CONTRIBUTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THEY MAKE.
SO, ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE, UH, HELP FOR BATTERED WOMEN, FOR INSTANCE, WE RATE THOSE VERY HIGHLY ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE FOOD FOR, FOR PEOPLE.
THE OTHER ONES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT, UH, BUT THEY PROVIDE OTHER SERVICES.
AND THE IMPACT OF THE SERVICES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IMPORTANT, IS NOT AS MUCH AS THE OTHERS.
SO THEY SORT OF GET RATED LOWER.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE DO, ALL THE MEMBERS FROM YOUR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS PUT THEIR, UH, THEIR ALLOCATIONS TOGETHER.
THEY PUT A LIST, THEY DIVIDE THE 60,000 UP THE WAY THAT THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND THEN WE ALL GET TOGETHER ONE NIGHT, WE PUT ALL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER, AVERAGE 'EM OUT, VOILA.
SO IN SOME CASES, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHAT YOU WOULD THINK THEY SHOULD BE.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM IN HERE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A SURPRISE TO YOU THIS YEAR.
AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THOSE AS WE GET TO 'EM.
BUT AS WE GO ALONG, IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT, STOP ME, THEN LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND ANSWER IT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA STRAIGHT INTO THE ALLOCATIONS.
AND THIS IS THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.
SO THEY HAVE SENT IN BUDGET REQUESTS IN THE PAST MM-HMM.
THEY DIDN'T, OR NOT LAST YEAR.
AND THIS YEAR, THEY SENT IN ANOTHER BUDGET REQUEST.
AND THE ORGANIZATION PROVIDES EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS FOR MILITARY MEMBERS, UH, IN THE EVENT OF A DISASTER.
THEY PROVIDE FOOD, SHELTER, AND CLOTHING, UH, EVEN HOME BARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IN THIS CASE, THE AMOUNT THAT WAS ALLOCATED IS A SMALLER NUMBER THAN YOU MIGHT EXPECT.
UH, AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, ALLOCATED A HIGHER AMOUNT AND SOME OTHERS ALLOCATED, UH, NONE OR A LOWER AMOUNT.
AND I REACHED OUT TO HIM SPECIFICALLY TO ASK HIM ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF.
UH, BUT THEY'RE JUST, THEY GAVE A JUSTIFICATION THAT IN THE END WAS VERY REASONABLE.
UH, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS IS SUPPORTED NATIONALLY BY A LOT OF OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS.
THEY GET FUNDING FROM THE UNITED WAY.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY DO HAVE AN EXCELLENT IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY, THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE, UH, WE DIDN'T, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE IMPACTFUL GOING TO THE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE NOT AS WELL FUNDED.
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UH, SO WE, UH, RECOMMENDED AN AWARD OF 430,000 OR $430, EXCUSE ME,
UM, NOW AS YOU WE GO THROUGH THIS, UM, EACH ONE OF THE SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE THREE CHARTS ON THE BOTTOM.
UH, THE FIRST CHART IS THE SERVICE AREA.
THIS IS THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, UM, SERVED BY THE ORGANIZATION.
THE SECOND CHART IS A COMPARISON OF THE SERVICE ORGANIZATION, UH, AND, AND WHERE, WHO THEY SERVE IN YORK COUNTY, WHICH IS IN BLUE, AND THEN THE OTHERS THAT THAT GROUP SERVES, WHICH IS IN RED.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE FUNDING SOURCES AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE PROVIDING COMPARED TO HOW MUCH MONEY, MONEY OTHER LOCALITIES ARE PROVIDING, AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GETTING FROM TOTAL OTHER SOURCES.
SO THIS NUMBER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IS ACTUALLY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT GET A LOT OF MONEY FROM, UH, OTHER SOURCES TEND TO HAVE VERY, VERY GOOD PROGRAMS. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD PROGRAMS DRAW GOOD MONEY.
AND IT'S ABOUT, AS A POINT, OF COURSE, WE TEND TO LOOK AT THOSE PROGRAMS AND AWARD THEM MORE, WHICH SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE.
UH, BUT THEY'RE REALLY IMPACTFUL ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, SO THAT'S, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, LET ME KNOW.
SO, THE ARC OF GREATER WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, THESE GUYS PROVIDE SERVICES TO, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ADULTS WITH, UH, DISABILITIES.
UH, AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES THAT ALLOW 'EM TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
UH, AND IT, IT'S INSTRUCTIONAL TIME, UH, OTHER TREATMENTS, OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT THEY DO.
AND THEY SERVE 143 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.
AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES EIGHT TO 10 TIMES PER MONTH.
UH, WE ACTUALLY GAVE 2,500 LAST YEAR.
THIS YEAR WE'RE RECOMMENDING AN, AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF 2000 TO MAKE IT 2,750.
UH, THEIR SERVICE AREA IS REALLY JUST SORT OF THE YORK COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY WILLIAMSBURG AREA.
UH, BUT ABOUT HALF, A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF THEIR PEOPLE ARE FROM NEW YORK COUNTY.
NOW, THIS IS ONE THAT WE, WE TEND TO LOOK AT VERY FAVORABLY EVERY YEAR.
AND THIS IS AVALON CENTER FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
AND THEY PROVIDE EMERGENCY SHELTER SERVICES FOR, FOR BATTERED WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND THEY PROVIDED SERVICE TO 175 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.
THIS ISN'T JUST SHELTER, BUT ALSO INCLUDES CRISIS LINE AND, AND COUNSELING, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
UH, WE HAVE SEEN STATISTICALLY, UH, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF COVID AND EVEN MOVING FORWARD, A MUCH GREATER INCIDENCE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
SO SERVICES LIKE THIS ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A VERY, A LITTLE LARGER SERVICE AREA THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UH, BUT THEY STILL PROVIDE A LOT OF SERVICE TO YORK COUNTY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE AT, AT GETTING FUNDING.
DO YOU KNOW THE YORK COUNTY PEOPLE SERVE GREW FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR? I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHARTS 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME, BUT I CAN, I CAN ABSOLUTELY CHECK IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE IT DID.
UH, THERE WAS, THERE WERE SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS, UM, AND SEVERAL OF THESE THAT DID GO UP THIS YEAR.
AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY CONDITION THAT WOULD'VE CAUSED THAT.
UM, NOW IN SOME CASES, LIKE THE FOOD BANK, FOR INSTANCE, THEIR METHOD OF REPORTING CHANGES FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND SO IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM YEAR TO YEAR HOW MUCH THEY'RE, WHO, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE IN, UH, AFFECTING.
BECAUSE SOME YEARS THEY LIST THE NUMBER OF MEALS THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING.
SOME YEARS THEY LIST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY'RE SUPPORTING.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET A YEAR OVER YEAR THING.
THIS ONE, I, I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION AND WE DO KEEP ALL OF THE ARCHIVES OF THIS STUFF ONLINE.
AND I CAN SEND YOU A LINK TO IT WHERE EVERYBODY CAN LOOK AT THE ONES, AND YOU CAN SEE IT YEAR OVER YEAR.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS MAYBE 12 YEARS NOW.
SO WE GOT A, A GOOD HISTORY WITH IT.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF, IF THIS IS TRENDING UP OVER THE 12 YEARS OR I THINK, YEAH.
SO THIS IS BACON STREET YOUTH AND FAMILY SERVICES, AND THEY PROVIDE, UH, UH, CRISIS LINE ASSISTANCE AND EMERGENCY SHELTER SERVICES AND ARE CAN COUNSELING AND LEGAL ADVOCACY FOR YOUTH, UH, YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO 125 RESIDENTS IN YORK COUNTY.
UM, THIS YEAR WE HAVE, UH, RECOMMENDED A, A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN FUNDING.
AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT WE HAD TWO NEW APPLICANTS THIS YEAR, BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU GUYS ALLOCATED REMAINED THE SAME.
SO MATHEMATICALLY SOMEBODY'S GOTTA GO DOWN.
UH, BUT WE DID DO, I DID A CALCULATION RIGHT BEFORE THIS, AND IF YOU ADD UP ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WENT DOWN, IF YOU WANTED TO BRING THOSE BACK UP TO LEVEL WITH LAST YEAR, IT WOULD COST
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AN ADDITIONAL $2,080 MIGHT BE WORTH THINKING ABOUT.UM, BUT YEAH, THIS IS ONE OF 'EM THAT WENT DOWN SLIGHTLY AND IT ONLY WENT DOWN BECAUSE WE HAD TO ALLOCATE MONEY ACROSS THE NEW ORGANIZATIONS.
SO BIKE WALK IS, THIS IS ONE OF 'EM THAT FALLS INTO THE PURVIEW OF THE, THE OTHERS, UH, THE, THE THINGS THAT PROVIDE COMMUNITY SERVICES, BUT NOT, NOT QUITE AS IMPACTFUL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES.
AND THESE GUYS, UH, SUPPORT THE BIKE CO-OP IN WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, THEY PROVIDE FREE BICYCLE HELMETS TO ADULTS AND CHILDREN, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A VERY VALUABLE, UH, THING.
WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THEM UP $10 FROM LAST YEAR.
IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN THE, WHAT THEY REQUESTED, UH, BUT I THINK IT STILL, IT SHOWS THAT WE DO MAINTAIN A COMMITMENT TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, IT ALSO SAYS THEY SERVE, WHAT, 450 RESIDENTS? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THIS IS COLONIAL COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATES.
UH, SO WHEN WALT ZAREMBA WAS HERE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE WAS NEAR AND DEAR TO HIS HEART, UH, BECAUSE THESE GUYS PROVIDE, UH, COURTROOM SERVICES, UH, TO YOUNG PEOPLE.
AND THIS, THIS YEAR THEY PROVIDED, UH, ADVOCACY FOR 26, UH, CHILDREN IN YORK COUNTY.
AND THIS YEAR, THEIR, THEIR FUNDING IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE RECOMMENDED FOR LAST YEAR'S, UH, $2,580.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS GROUP PROVIDES SERVICES TO A SMALLER COLLECTION OF PEOPLE.
BUT THE, THE SERVICES ARE STILL VERY IMPACTFUL.
THIS IS COMMUNITY BRAIN INJURY SERVICES.
AND THESE GUYS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT YEAR OVER YEAR, THEY CHANGE HOW THEY, THEY LIST THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO I THINK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVED THIS YEAR WENT DOWN.
UH, BUT IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SORT OF AN ACCOUNTING ERROR RATHER THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, AND THEY PROVIDE MORE THAN 250 DAYS OF INTENSIVE SERVICES TO 15 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.
AND THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE ARE, UH, THERAPEUTIC AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
IS THAT TWO 50 DAYS PER RESIDENT, OR 250 DAYS ACROSS ALL 50 THING? I THINK IT'S 250 DAYS ACROSS ALL OF THEM.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, SO THEY SEND IN THE APPLICATIONS AND THEY GET THE DATA ON THERE, THEY PROVIDE THE STUFF.
WE'VE GOT A FIXED NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE APPLICATION.
RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE GO OUT TO THEIR, UH, FORM NINE, NINE ES ONLINE AND LOOK AT THAT.
AND SO WE, WE SORT OF BALANCE ALL THESE DATA SOURCES, THEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAD LAST YEAR.
UH, SO A LOT OF THIS, WHEN YOU SEE NUMBERS LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE SORT OF THE BEST WE COULD WORK OUT.
AND IF, IF IT'S NOT SPECIFIC, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T AS SPECIFIC AS YOU MIGHT'VE WANTED THEM TO BE ON THE APPLICATION.
NOW, THIS IS A NEW ONE FOR THIS YEAR, AND THIS ONE'S FOR GRACE HISTORICAL CHURCH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER SEEN THE COLLECTION OVER THERE AT THE CHURCH, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL ACT ARTIFACTS THAT DATE BACK, UH, TO THE 17TH CENTURY.
UH, THE ORIGINAL COMMUNAL SILVER FOR THE PLACE AND ALL THAT.
AND IT TAKES A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THIS STUFF AND, AND, AND KEEP IT FROM DETERIORATING OVER TIME.
AND THAT WAS WHAT THE REQUEST WAS FOR.
AND THE SERVICE AREA, YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS, THERE'S A COUPLE YOU'RE GONNA SEE LIKE THIS, THEY LIST THE ENTIRE RESIDENCY OF YORK COUNTY AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN YORK COUNTY CAN COME AND SEE IT.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ASSUME THAT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME SEE IT.
AND THAT'S SORT OF THE PINK SERVICE AREA THAT YOU SEE UP THERE.
BUT, UH, THEY HAD REQUESTED $2,000 BY THE TIME WE, WE AVERAGED IT OUT THAT WE RECOMMENDED 1100.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THEIR HOURS OF BEING OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO GO VISIT? I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S NOT JUST, IT IS NOT JUST SUNDAY.
THEY HAVE DOCENTS AND STUFF THAT, UH, YES.
THAT ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SEE THE STUFF.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE 70,000 NUMBER, BUT I, I, I'D BE CURIOUS, NOT THAT YOU HAVE IT ON YOU OR ANYTHING, BUT I'D BE CURIOUS, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY COME BY AND, AND VISIT THE, UH, TO LOOK AT THE ARTIFACTS.
BUT, AND SEE THAT IS, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL LIKE THAT, THAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED ALSO IN SEEING THAT NUMBER.
AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE GALLERY HERE, THEY TRACK VISITORS, THEY KEEP A VISITOR LOG, THEY KEEP A VERY CLEAR COUNT OF IT.
AND SO I ONLY KNOW ABOUT THE GALLERY 'CAUSE I'M ON THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION TOO.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TRACK IT LIKE THAT, BUT I'D LOVE IT IF THEY DID.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE THE HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME THROUGH THE GALLERY, FOR INSTANCE, IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE THE WELCOME CENTER FOR YORKTOWN.
SO IT, IT, IT DOES A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE ANY, EVEN WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS CLOSED, THOSE GUYS ARE WELCOMING, WELCOMING VISITORS.
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BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER PUTTING INTO THE APPLICATION OR, OR REQUESTING SPECIFICALLY FROM SOME OF THESE GROUPS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE HISTORICAL RELATED.BUT YOU JUST NEED TO GET, GET IN FRONT OF THAT SO THAT THEY'LL START COLLECTING THAT NOW.
SO YEAH, WE SHOULD, BUT AS THIS ONE SAYS THAT THE FUNDS WERE USED TO PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND ARTIFACTS, NOT NECESSARILY SHOWING THE ARTIFACTS, BUT PRESERVING THE ARTIFACTS.
I THINK IF YOU PRESERVE IT AND NOBODY SEES IT, WELL THAT'S, BUT IT'S HISTORIC.
IT'S A HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO PRESERVE IT.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY.
AND THEIR LIST OF ALL OF US IS A THOUSAND MORE THAN THE OTHER.
SO THAT MAKES THEM A LITTLE BETTER, I GUESS,
BUT AGAIN, THESE GUYS, UH, PRESERVE, UH, SCENIC AREAS THAT ARE AROUND THE RIVERS, UH, AND, AND PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
AND THEY TYPICALLY ASK FOR $5,000.
WE TYPICALLY GIVE THEM, UH, ABOUT $1,500.
IT'S A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE WE TOOK DOWN THEIRS TO PRO PROVIDE FOR ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT THIS WAS THE ONE GROUP THAT WAS DROPPED LAST YEAR.
'CAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY 2000 THE YEAR BEFORE, AND THEY'RE BY FAR THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE DROP THIS YEAR.
SO WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
I WONDER ABOUT THE MESSAGE IT SENDS.
NO, THEY WERE DROPPED LAST YEAR.
DID WE GET 15? NO, 1550 WAS DOWN FROM 2000.
THE PREVIOUS OH, YOU MEAN THEY THEY WERE DROPPED DOWN.
THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES, THE ONES LAST YEAR THAT TOOK A DECREASE THOUGHT YOU MEANT DROP COMPLETELY.
WHAT DID THEY DO WITH IT? IS THE QUESTION HOW, I MEAN, ARE THEY SERVING PEOPLE OR ARE THEY SERVING PRESERVING LAND? I THINK THAT THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE NOT SERVING PEOPLE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THIS, THIS IS WHAT THIS REALLY DOES.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THIS GOES TO BEING, UH, ADVOCACY.
NOW, THIS ONE, IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE, THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT ORGANIZATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, ONE OF THE BEST MEASURES OF WHO WE ARE IS HOW WE TREAT OUR PEOPLE AS THEIR PEOPLE.
AND, UH, SO THESE GUYS, UH, PROVIDE HOSPICE CARE AND BEREAVEMENT SERVICES, UH, TO PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO'S, WHO EITHER HAVE CANCER OR THEIR FAMILIES HAVE CANCER, UH, OR NOT JUST CANCER, BUT OTHER, YOU KNOW, TERMINAL ILLNESSES.
UH, THAT IS A TRAGICALLY DIFFICULT JOB.
AND THESE GUYS DO IT EXTREMELY WELL.
UH, SO THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE INCREASE SLIGHTLY THE AMOUNT THAT, UH, WE ALLOCATED THIS YEAR.
UH, NATASHA HOUSE IS, IS ONE OF THREE SHELTERS, UH, THAT WE HAVE, WE, THAT ARE, WE SUPPORT, THAT ARE SUPPORTED IN THIS THING.
AND THESE, THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS, UH, CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING.
IT'S OVER ON, UH, I THINK, UH, GOODWIN NECK ROAD.
THEIR ALLOCATION IS DOWN SLIGHTLY.
UH, BUT STILL, I WOULD NOTE THAT WE GIVE OR RECOMMEND FOR NATASHA HOUSE, UH, ABOUT A THIRD MORE IN ALLOCATIONS THAN WE DO FOR THE OTHER TWO.
UH, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE IN YOUR COUNTY AND THEY ARE LOCAL.
SO THEY ARE DOWN SLIGHTLY THIS YEAR.
UH, BUT THE SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE, IT'S, UH, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, AGAIN, FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
HOW, HOW MANY YEARS DO WE HAVE WITH NATASHA? IS 12 YEARS? LIKE, UH, THEY WERE HERE LONGER THAN THAT.
I THINK THEY WERE IN THE FIRST BATCH.
I KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG WE HAVE 'EM.
THEY BUILT THEIR BUILDING THE SAME YEAR THAT WE FINISHED THE FIFE AND DRUM BUILDING.
SO 2007 IS WHEN THEY, UH, COMPLETED THEIR BUILDING.
SO THEY'VE BEEN, I, I THINK APPLYING TO THE COUNTY SINCE THEN.
THIS ORGANIZATION OR THIS COMMITTEE STARTED MAYBE 2010.
SO WE DIDN'T START SEEING THEIR, UH, REQUEST UNTIL THEN.
SO, BUT WE USED TO GET REQUESTS AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THEN WE DECIDED TO FORM A COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE FIGURED THAT OBJECTIVITY WOULD BE GREAT.
I, I, I'M, I LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
I'M KIND OF CURIOUS TO SEE THE TREND ON NUMBER OF PEOPLE SERVED.
IF, IF YOU HAVE THAT DAY OF YEAR TO YEAR MM-HMM.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO BACK THAT FAR, BUT, WELL, NO, IT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE, SO IT'S EASY TO DO.
UM, YEAH, I'VE GOT, I KEEP ALL THESE SPREADSHEETS AND DOCUMENTS GOING BACK IN CASE ANYBODY ASKS.
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ACTUALLY IF YOU HAVE A PLACE YOU CAN PUT 'EM, I'VE GOT 'EM ON MY WEBSITE NOW,I WAS COMING UP, IF YOU'VE GOT A PLACE TO PUT 'EM, I CAN GIVE 'EM TO THE COUNTY STAFF AND THEY CAN POST 'EM WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE 'EM.
STEVE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM.
THIS IS THE THIRD OF THE, UH, YES.
UH, AND THESE GUYS, UH, ARE ANOTHER ONE THAT, SO YOU'LL NOTE THE, THE ONE EARLIER, EARLIER, AVALON WAS GIVEN 4,000.
THESE GUYS ARE GIVEN SIX, 6,050.
AND, UH, NATASHA HOUSE WAS GIVEN 8,000, I THINK AROUND 8,000.
THE REASON THAT AVALON IS LESS IS THEY ALWAYS ASK FOR LESS, RIGHT.
SO IF AN ORGANIZATION ASKS FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WANT OR HOW MUCH MONEY THEY NEED.
AND IF EVERYTHING WAS EQUAL, I THINK WE WOULD STAY CLOSE TO GIVING EVERYBODY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THESE THREE ACTIVITIES.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL VERY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY ALL DO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
AND THEY ALL PROVIDE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
BUT BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS REQUEST DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF MONEY, WE TEND TO TUNE IT BASED ON THEIR REQUEST.
UH, SO THESE GUYS, YOU'LL NOTE THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? SO WHERE IS, UM, SO I NOTICED HERE IN THE OTHERS TOO, THAT YOUR COUNTY, SO WE GAVE 6,050 BUCKS.
SO OTHER LOCALITIES, AND I'M ASSUMING THE LOCALITIES IN RED.
UM, SO THEY GIVE A TOGETHER 193,000.
YOU GOT SOME CITIES GOT MORE POPULATION.
STILL, THEY STILL END UP WITH, UH, APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS COMING IN FROM DO, DO YOU GET TO SEE WHERE IT COMES FROM? YES.
UH, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THERE, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THERE.
DO YOU GET TO SEE IT? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO GO TO YOUR NINE, THEIR NINE NINETIES, AND YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
BUT NINE NINETIES THAT ARE PUBLISHED ON GUIDESTAR ARE TYPICALLY THREE YEARS BEHIND.
SO WHEN I GO THERE AND LOOK AT THEIR DATA, I SEE THE DATA FROM 2001 OR 2021.
UH, SO YOU SORT OF HAVE A RUNNING SCROLL BEHIND THEM, AND THEY ONLY PROVIDE THE DATA FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.
SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SORT OF PROJECT FORWARD.
NOW THESE, UM, THESE AGENCIES AND THE ONES YOU'VE DEALT WITH SO FAR, THE ONES WE LOOKED AT, I KNOW CERTAIN ONES LIKE FOOD BANKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY'RE RATED ON THEIR USE OF MONEY.
DO YOU SEE THE RATINGS FOR THIS? YES, I DO.
AND HOW'S THE RATINGS? UM, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, THE VERY LARGE CHARITIES MM-HMM.
UH, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD BANK, I THINK HAS GOT A PLATINUM RATING, UH, SMALLER.
IT DEPENDS ON WHICH FOOD BANK.
I CAN'T, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS.
IT'S GOT, I BELIEVE IT'S GOT A PLATINUM RATING.
UH, MOST OF THE OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, I THINK THE, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS HAS A PLATINUM RATING.
I MEAN, THEIR, THEIR SERVICES ARE WORLD RENOWNED.
THE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VISIBILITY, UH, TO END UP GETTING A REALLY HIGH RATING.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU REALLY DON'T SEE SO MUCH THERE.
SO YOU HAVE TO GO AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY SPEND ON INTERNAL SERVICES, OVERHEAD, THAT SORT OF THING, VERSUS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY OR PERCENTAGE THAT GOES OUT TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE SERVICE, UH, TO THE, THE SERVED GROUP FOR THESE GUYS HEAD AND SHOULDERS, YORK COUNTY MEALS ON WHEELS.
RIGHT? LIKE ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THEY GET GOES OUT TO SERVICES.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GET SOME OF THESE, MOST OF 'EM ARE HOVERING IN THE, MAYBE 70 TO 80% OF THE MONEY ACTUALLY GOES OUT DIRECTLY TO PROVIDE SERVICES, UH, TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN NEED.
AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT IS MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.
UH, AND YOU WERE HERE AT THE BEGINNING, AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE, WE HAD THIS COMMITTEE.
WE GOT APPLICATIONS FROM EVERYWHERE AND PEOPLE, NEWPORT NEWS, ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE SENDING IN APPLICATIONS, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS A NEW THING.
AND A TON OF THEM HAD PROGRAMS THAT WERE GIVEN FIVE, 10% OF WHAT THEY WERE GETTING IN TO THE SERVED GROUPS.
AND WE JUST SORT OF CHOPPED THOSE OFF IMMEDIATELY.
UH, OTHERS THAT SENT IN THE STUFF WERE NOT 5 0 1 C3 NONPROFITS, SO THEREFORE THEY WEREN'T MEETING THE BASIC QUALIFICATIONS ANYWAY.
AND THAT'S, WE WENT FROM HEAVEN, LIKE 40 APPLICATIONS THE FIRST YEAR TO WHERE IT COOKED DOWN TO 18 TO 20 IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS.
SO WE'VE REALLY, WE KIND OF PRUNED IT DOWN TO THE ONES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE
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REALLY THE BEST IN YORK COUNTY THAT, THAT HAVE COME TO US.UH, THERE ARE STILL OTHERS OUT THERE THAT ARE EXCELLENT, SO WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEM TOO.
UH, BUT THESE GUYS ARE, ARE, ARE VERY GOOD.
AND YOU'VE REWARDED THEM IN THE PAST FOR THAT.
MY, MY QUESTION WAS THE LOCATION OF TRANSITION FAMILY SERVICES.
AND THE REASON IS HAMPTON, HAMPTON SAYING HAMPTON.
BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE.
A LOT OF TIMES THESE ORGANIZATIONS TRY TO KEEP THEIR LOCATIONS PRIVATE.
THEIR OFFICE IS IN HAMPTON, BUT THEIR HOUSING IS PRIVATE.
UH, THIS ONE'S THE VFW POST NINE 60.
UH, AND THESE GUYS ARE, THEY SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE SERVICE TO VETERANS, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE NEEDY AND DISABLED TO OBTAIN REHABILITATION SERVICES, HOUSING ASSISTANCE, UH, CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT.
SO THESE GUYS, AND I THINK SEVERAL OF YOU ARE VETERANS, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THESE FORMS. YOU GOT THESE THINGS IF YOU WANT TO GET SERVICE FROM THE VA OR FROM ANYBODY ELSE.
THERE'S A TON OF FORMS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
A LOT OF IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED.
UH, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE TO DO THAT.
THE BIG THING THAT THESE GUYS PROVIDE, THEY HAVE THAT BACKGROUND, THEY HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.
SO THEY WORK WITH PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THESE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO.
AND THIS ONE, AGAIN, WE REDUCED IT SLIGHTLY FROM LAST YEAR.
AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE SAW THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'D ALSO REDUCED.
AND WE HADN'T REDUCED THAT ONE.
SO WE SHIFTED SOME MONEY BECAUSE THE IMPACT OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS IMPORTANT, WAS BETTER.
AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE INSIDE OF THAT $2,080 THAT WOULD TAKE TO, TO MAKE EVERYBODY, EVEN WITH LAST YEAR.
AND THIS IS THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA FOOD BANK.
THESE ARE, THESE GUYS ARE GREAT.
UH, IF YOU RECALL SOME YEARS BACK, WE, UH, WE TOOK THE LACKEY FREE CLINIC OUT OF THIS GROUP AND MOVED THEM INTO AN INDEPENDENT ALLOCATION BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS SO IMPORTANT AND SO BIG THAT IT WAS REALLY DWARFING EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND WE WERE, WE WERE PUTTING MAYBE 25, 30% OF THE RESOURCES INTO THAT BECAUSE THE IMPACT WAS SO BIG.
THESE GUYS, THEIR IMPACT IS EQUALLY HUGE.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, 5,200 RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.
NOW, THE REASON THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T AS YET, RECOMMENDED THAT THESE GUYS BE MOVED OUT INTO A PRIVATE ALLOCATION, IS THEY REALIZED THAT WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TO WORK WITH.
AND THEY TUNED THEIR REQUESTS DOWN, UH, TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GET SOMETHING FROM THE COUNTY TO HELP 'EM DO THEIR THING AND NOT IMPACT THE OTHER PEOPLE, THE OTHERS.
SO, TO ME, THESE GUYS ARE FANTASTIC.
IF WE HAD MORE, WE'D GIVE 'EM MORE.
UH, BUT THOSE GUYS HAVE, HAVE WORKED WITH US TO GET THE LEVEL JUST RIGHT.
UH, SO IN THE FUTURE THOUGH, IF YOU GUYS DO THINK ABOUT MOVING ANOTHER ORGANIZATION OUT SO THAT IT'S FUNDED SEPARATELY SO THAT IT CAN BE ITS OWN LINE, LINE ITEM, AND YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM TO DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO PAY.
THIS WOULD BE ONE I'D CERTAINLY RECOMMEND.
UH, BECAUSE INCREDIBLY IMPACTFUL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, THEY ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF LITTLE FOOD BANKS IN YORK COUNTY.
UH, AND THEY WORK WITH CHURCHES.
THEY WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE POOR PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHO NEEDS THE HELP.
UH, SO THEY'RE JUST EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD.
UH, THIS IS A NEW ONE FROM LAST YEAR.
AND THIS ONE YOU'LL
I DON'T BELIEVE IN INCALCULABLE NUMBERS.
SO I, THIS, THIS WASHINGTON RO MBO HISTORIC ROUTE RUNS THROUGH SEVEN OR EIGHT STATES.
UH, AND I JUST FIGURED MAYBE 15% OF THE ARE WHAT, 30% OF THE PEOPLE IN YORK COUNTY WOULD GET SOME BENEFIT OUT OF THIS.
THAT'S SUCH AND SUCH A PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE IN VIRGINIA.
AND THAT PERCENTAGE IS GONNA BE THE SAME IN ALL OF 'EM.
SO THAT'S HOW I CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER
AND SO THAT NUMBER IS COMPLETELY MADE UP MANUFACTURED.
UH, BUT THE, UH, THIS IS A, A VERY BENEFICIAL LITTLE ORGANIZATION.
AND THEY, THEY'RE WORKING TO COMM, COMMEMORATE, UH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ASK FOR A LOT.
AND I THINK THEY, THEY CERTAINLY DO
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THE BEST THEY CAN WITH THE AMOUNT THAT, THAT WE ALLOCATE.UM, THIS IS UP IN WILLIAMSBURG, AND I THINK IT'S, AS I RECALL, IT, IS RUN BY A CHURCH.
UH, AND THESE GUYS PROVIDE, UH, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, VISITS, WELL, CHECKS AND HELP WITH CHORES, UH, TO, UH, 50 55, YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS IN, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY ASK FOR A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE THEY, THEY PROVIDE TO A SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.
UH, BUT THEY, THEY'RE EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY INCREASED THEIR ALLOCATION THIS YEAR.
WILLIAMSBURG BURG AREA, MEALS ON WHEELS, UH, WE LOVE THESE GUYS.
UH, THEY, THEY SERVE, UH, THE BRUTON DISTRICT OF YORK COUNTY, AND THEY'VE GOT 140 RESIDENTS THAT THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO.
UH, THERE'S 710, UH, FOLKS UP IN, IN THE WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY AREA THAT THEY ALSO PROVIDE SERVICES TO.
UH, WE INCREASED THEM SLIGHTLY THIS YEAR BY, BY $50.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST ONE.
AND THIS IS YOUR COUNTY MEALS ON WHEELS.
THEY TAKE CARE OF ONLY PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNTY.
UH, SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT MEALS ON WHEELS? IT AIN'T THE FOOD OR IT, IT AIN'T JUST THE FOOD.
SO A LOT OF OUR OLDER CITIZENS, THEY'RE AT HOME.
MAYBE THEIR, THEIR SPOUSE HAS PASSED AWAY OR WHATEVER, THEY WANNA STAY AT HOME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THEY FALL? WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS? SO THEIR CHILDREN WORRY ABOUT THEIR FAMILY WORRIES ABOUT 'EM.
THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM, THE FACT THAT THESE GUYS COME BY EVERY DAY AND THEY CHECK ON THE PEOPLE.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, THEY EXPECT YOU TO BE THERE.
SO THESE GUYS, THEY ENABLE THESE GUYS.
THEY ENABLE PEOPLE TO STAY AT HOME AND, AND TO, TO LIVE THEIR LIFE ON THEIR OWN AS LONG AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
THAT IS JUST A FANTASTIC BENEFIT.
THE FOOD'S GREAT, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY DO THAT ALSO, THESE GUYS ARE, UM, EVERYTHING THEY, THAT WE PROVIDE GOES OUT TO HELP.
THEY, THEY HAVE, I THINK, VIRTUALLY NO OVERHEAD.
SO EVERY DOLLAR YOU PUT INTO THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO HELP SOMEBODY IN YOUR COUNTY THAT, THAT'S, UH, LAUDABLE AS WELL.
AND SO THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN SORT OF SEE, AS YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT BAR LEVELS, IT SHOWS WHICH TYPES OF SERVICES RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, WHICH AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT LIKE SERVICES TEND TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR IN THE AMOUNT THAT THEY GET.
UM, AND THE, THE PLACES LIKE IN THE EMERGENCY AND TRANSITIONAL SHELTER, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE REASON THAT THOSE, THOSE ARE VARIED SO MUCH IS BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT GROUPS ASK FOR DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
AND WE TENDED TO STAY FOCUSED ON THAT.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
YOU DO SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB OF THIS, YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION.
I THINK THAT THE, THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE PATTING YOU ON THE BACK 15 TIMES.
THAT IS CERTAINLY MY PLEASURE.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS, WHICH THANKFULLY YOU HAVE.
I'M TRYING
NOT THAT I'VE PULLED YOUR CHAIN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, GOOD, CLEAR, CONCISE VIEW OF OF, OF THE REQUESTS AND, AND HOW THE RECOMMEND ALLOCATIONS ARE.
LET'S, LET'S GO AROUND THE TABLE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT.
I, YOU DID, UH, TAKING A PROGRAM, YOU'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED YOU TO DO WITH IT.
AND, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THIS OUT OF A LABOR OF LOVE AND SO DOES THE COMMITTEE, UH, MEMBERS AND, UH, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS WHAT YOUR COUNTY'S THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOUR COUNTY'S ABOUT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND, UH, ESPECIALLY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER TO DO THESE EFFORTS IS AMAZING.
AND I'M LIKE, TOM, THAT'S WHAT MAKES SHORT COUNTY GREAT, IS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND WORK HERE AND VOLUNTEER HERE.
AND, UH, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROY.
WELL, I, I ECHO WHAT, UH, MS. NOLL AND, UH, MR. SHEPHERD ALREADY SAID FANTASTIC WORK OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO COME UP WITH A BETTER RECOMMENDATION.
SO I'M FULLY, UH, FULLY SUPPORTABLE OF, UH, WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO US TODAY.
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QUESTION.WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER INCREASING THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT? DO WE NEED TO CONS TO INCREASE YOUR BUDGET? HAVE YOU SEEN SOMETHING THAT IS LACKING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS OVER THE PAST DOZEN YEARS.
UH, IT STARTED OUT, I THINK WE STARTED OUT WITH $30,000 AND THEN IT WENT TO 40 TO 50 AND THEN 60.
INFLATION DURING COVID WAS 20% A YEAR.
UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THESE GUYS HAVE NOT INCREASED WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE THEY, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THE COUNTIES GOT CONSTRAINTS.
AND, BUT WE MIGHT CONSIDER, UH, IN THE FUTURE MOVING THAT UP SOMEWHAT.
UH, BUT I, I, I WOULDN'T BE PREPARED TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER TONIGHT, BUT IT IS THAT SOMETHING YOUR COMMITTEE COULD GET BACK TOGETHER TO, AND PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO WHAT WOULD PUT A MEANINGFUL BUMP? I THINK THAT WOULD SOMETHING WE CAN GOOD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA WITH SOME FEEDBACK.
I THINK I WOULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD WANT TO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH COUNTY STAFF ON THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT BEING SERVED, UH, AND IT COULD BE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
UH, SO I THINK IF WE, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING VERY SIGNIFICANT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THE, THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.
UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU MOVED ONE OF THESE KEY ORGANIZATIONS OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND INTO THE REGULAR BUDGET LIKE WE DID WITH LACKING MM-HMM.
SO THAT, THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO THE BALANCE OF DO YOU TAKE WHAT WE HAVE OR ANY, OR BUMP AND APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE, WHO WE'RE SERVING NOW? OR DO WE USE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOMEBODY NEW IN AS A BALANCE THERE AS WELL? THAT YOU NEED TO YES.
IT WAS YEARS AGO, UM, SHE'LL REMEMBER THIS.
OUR CONTRIBUTION WAS AROUND $150,000.
UM, AND THEN I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE, THE PROBLEMS WE HAD, BUT WE, WE STARTED OH YEAH, I REMEMBER.
WE STARTED DIVIDING IT IN HALF AND WE GOT DOWN TO 75,000.
REMEMBER WE, WE STARTED JUST CUTTING IT DOWN.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA JUST, YOU KNOW, CAUSES SHOCK IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN THIS WAS JUST A PIECE OF THAT, UH, WE WERE SPENDING AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME MM-HMM.
AND, UH, SO THIS IS WHERE THEY STEPPED IN AND PROBABLY DONE THIS MUCH BETTER JOB THAN WE HAVE.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT OUR YEAH.
THE PROGRAM CONTRIBUTIONS, LIKE THE LACKY FREE CLINIC AND WHATNOT.
AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEN WHAT WE HAVE HERE, I THINK YOU'D STILL FIND IT'S A CONSIDERABLE SUM OF MONEY'S GOING OUT NOW IN YORK COUNTY FOR CONTRIBUTIONS.
I MEAN, WE'VE STRUGGLED OVER THE YEARS WITH THIS AND, UH, AND SO WALT AND HIS GROUP HAS KIND OF TAKEN THAT PART OFF OUR SHOULDERS OF, OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WAS LITERALLY THREE, FOUR HOURS, YOU KNOW, OF, OF DOING THIS.
AND, AND HE'S GOT WAY MUCH, THEY GOT WAY MORE, UH, DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAN ANYTHING WE EVER HAD.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT, ONE, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE WAS IF WE WOULD CONSIDER THE $2,080 TO GET 'EM BACK TO WHERE, UH, THEY WERE LAST YEAR.
SO THE BOARD MIGHT CONSIDER THAT AS AN INTERIM ACTION, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS YOUR CALL.
TELL ME EXAM, WHAT, WHAT HE PROPOSED HERE, $2,080, UH, OR WHAT, WHAT WAL SAID WOULD BRING THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THIS FOR LAST YEAR, $2,080 WOULD PUT THEM BACK AT THE SAME FUNDING LEVEL NO PROBLEM.
I, I, MR. CHAIRMAN GO FOR THAT.
I JUST THINK GIVE A HEAD NOD ON THAT.
AND IF THAT'S, WE JUST CONCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET.
WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR THAT? SO SIMPLY SIT AROUND THE TABLE HERE NOW TO, NO, UH, THEREA CAN GO BACK.
AND, AND ADD THE AMOUNTS TO GET 'EM BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE LAST YEAR.
WE JUST NEED CONSENSUS HERE TONIGHT.
WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES SIR.
WELL, WHAT, SO, UH, YOU'RE YEP.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? IT'D BE FINE.
WELL THEN LET'S, LET'S, LET'S LEAVE TONIGHT AND, AND, AND FIX THAT, WHICH NEVER DROP
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UP, BUT NOT DROP.AND WE'LL GET BACK TO STATUS QUO.
WELL, MR. EGGERS, THANK YOU AGAIN.
THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
IT'S ALWAYS WONDERFUL SEEING YOU GUYS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN NEXT YEAR.
SO, WALTER THERE ONE CORRECTION.
YOU'RE A DOCTOR NOW, RIGHT? I AM.
WE WATCHED HIM GROW UP IN THE PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE? YES, SIR.
FOR OUR NEXT PRESENTATION, LET ME CALL UP, UH, ROSE MCKINNEY, THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, SHE'S GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE UPCOMING YEAR AS WELL AS EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION.
THE MOUSE IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE.
THE TABLES ARE NOT HELPING THERE.
OH, SEE YOU JUST HAVE A MAGIC.
YOU JUST HAVE THE MAGIC TOUCH.
UM, I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS THAT WE OFFER HERE AT THE COUNTY.
UM, THIS IS AN ANNUAL PRESENTATION THAT WE TYPICALLY DO TO THE BOARD.
I KNOW IT'LL BE NEW FOR, UM, DOUG AND WAYNE.
UH, SO YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION THOUGH, I DID WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION THAT, UM, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH OTHER HR DIRECTORS IN THE AREA JUST AS RECENT AS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
WE MEET PERIODICALLY JUST TO KIND OF STAY ON TOP OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION AS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS THEY DO.
UM, AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT PROPOSED GENERAL WAGE INCREASES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING ON ACROSS THE LOCALITIES.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THAT WE ARE, UH, WHERE WE BELIEVE RIGHT WHERE WE SHOULD BE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
SO WE HAVE LOCALITIES THAT ARE IN THE 5% RANGE AND LOCALITIES DOWN TO THE 3% RANGE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, MR. BELLAMY'S PROPOSED BUDGET WAS 4%, 500.
SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH HAS TYPICALLY BEEN THE GOAL OF YOUR COUNTY TO NOT LEAD, NOT LAG, BUT BE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT'S OF COURSE THAT'S THE PROPOSED AND IT WAS IN THAT MOMENT OF TIME, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME.
AND AS ALL OTHER LOCALITIES START COMING OUT, YOU START TO SEE THAT INFORMATION SHIFT A LITTLE BIT.
SO IT WAS IN THAT MOMENT, BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW, YES, WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE THINK WE OUGHT TO BE.
THEY ALSO DISCUSSED MINIMUM WAGE AND AS YOU KNOW, MR. BELLAMY'S UM, BUDGET MESSAGE, HE ALSO SHARED THE INTENT FOR US TO LOOK AT INCREASING OUR MINIMUM WAGE, $16 IN THE UPCOMING YEAR.
UM, AND THAT ALSO WILL PUT US IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK AGAIN.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THOSE ARE SOME GOOD MOVES FOR US TO STAY WHERE WE WANNA BE IN THE REGION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU.
WE COULD BEGIN WITH COMPENSATION.
UM, HERE'S JUST, JUST AN AGENDA TO SHOW YOU.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION AND THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO HEALTHCARE.
SO WE'LL TACKLE THE MONEY PART FIRST.
SO WITH THIS COMPENSATION PACKAGE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL FOR US IS TO OBVIOUSLY REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND IT'S FOR US TO REMAIN MARKETABLE.
AND THE BIG BENEFIT OF THAT IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE LOCALITIES ARE SEEKING THE SAME KIND OF CANDIDATES.
I MEAN, WE'RE ALL JUST TRYING TO RECRUIT THE SAME PEOPLE, THE SAME TYPES OF POSITIONS, THE SAME TYPES OF HARD TO FILL JOBS THAT WE HAVE.
AND SO IT EVEN MORE SO MAKES IT CRITICAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE ON PAY WHAT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO PAY TO GET 'EM AND THEN KEEP 'EM.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF THAT RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT EFFORTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE DISCUSSED IN YOUR BOARD MEETINGS.
UM, SO THIS IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND SO WE DO TAKE THIS TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE VERY SERIOUSLY.
I'LL SHARE WITH YOU SOME NEAT THINGS THAT WE DO HERE AT THE COUNTY TO KIND OF HELP BOOST TO WHAT WE DO WITH THIS.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS FIND MYSELF HAVING TO REMIND FOLKS IS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE RECRUITMENT SPACE AND THE RETENTION SPACE IN THE NATION.
WE ARE STILL BATTLING SOME CHALLENGES THAT THE WHOLE NATION'S BATTLING.
AND THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY THE COST OF BRINGING PEOPLE ON, NOT ONLY THE COST OF KEEPING PEOPLE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING YOU GOT INFLATION GOING ON.
AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM THIS BUDGET PROCESS AND EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW THAT THE COMPETITION OF SURROUNDING LOCALITIES AND THERE ARE CERTAIN LOCALITIES THAT WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO LOSE PEOPLE TO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GET PEOPLE FROM.
AND SO IT IS A TWO WAY STREET.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE BATTLE AND THEN JUST THIS TIGHT LABEL MARKET, RIGHT? SO THAT CONTINUES.
SO IT'S A CHALLENGE WHAT YOU TEND TO SEE.
OUR APPLICATION NUMBERS KIND OF DECREASE SLIGHTLY BECAUSE NOT, IT IS NOT AS MANY PEOPLE ARE
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APPLYING FOR JOBS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF JOBS.AND THEN WE HAVE CERTAIN JOBS THAT ARE SO TECHNICAL THAT IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL KIND OF SKILL SET TO BE ABLE TO COME AND DO.
SO YOU CAN, YOU TEND TO SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE GOT THESE ECONOMY CHANGES LOOMING BEFORE US, THAT'S GONNA IMPACT US WHEN WE SEE WHAT THAT, HOW THAT UNFOLDS THE WHOLE POLITICAL ARENA WHEN WE SEE HOW THAT UNFOLDS, THAT COULD IMPACT US AS WELL.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON AND LOOK OUT FOR AS WE COME INTO THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WE'RE NOT JUST COMPETING AGAINST THE, THE LOCALITIES AS WELL, BUT THE PRIVATE MARKET A LOT, A LOT OF THE SKILL SETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY IS VERY DESIRABLE TO A LOT OF THE PRIVATE COMPANIES AROUND THE AREA, SIR.
SO WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST ALL OF THAT.
A PRIME EXAMPLE, MR. ROWAN IS MECHANICS.
SO WE WERE COMPETING WITH A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES AND DEALERSHIPS WHEN IT COMES TO MECHANICS.
AND THOSE HAVE BEEN REALLY HARD TO FILL JOBS.
SO WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND FINANCE AND WE, WE BEEFED UP OUR INCENTIVES WHEN IT COMES TO MECHANICS.
SO WE, WE INCREASED, YOU MIGHT RECALL WE INCREASED THE A SE CERTIFICATION PAY IN THE POLICIES AND WE ALSO INCREASED THE TOOL ALLOWANCE.
WE'VE OFFERED SOME HIRING INCENTIVES AND EXPERIENCED HIRING INCENTIVES AND THINGS TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME.
SO WE'RE PUTTING THINGS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THOSE AND KIND OF SET OURSELVES APART A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO HAVE SOME LITTLE EDGE TO GETTING SOME FOLKS, 'CAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, WE DO ALSO COMPETE CDLS YOU COMPETE WITH DRIVING COMPANIES.
SO WE, UM, RECENTLY THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS ALLOWED US TO DO CDL TRAINING DIFFERENTLY AND IT, SO IT COSTS US LESS AND IT SAVES US FROM LOSING EMPLOYEES FOR A MONTH AT A TIME TO GO BE TRAINED TO GET THEIR CDLS.
SO WE ARE NOW ABLE TO DO IT IN HOUSE AND WE'VE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENTS TO PUT IN PLACE CDL TRAINERS TO DO THE BEHIND THE WHEEL PORTION.
AND WE ALSO CAN OFFER ONLINE CLASSES THAT HR PAYS FOR FOR THEM TO DO.
AND WE CAN DO IT IN A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME, LESS MONEY AND GET OUR FOLKS TRAINED TO GET CDLS.
SO WE'RE PUTTING THINGS LIKE THAT IN PLACE AS WELL.
WE KNOW WHAT CDL IS, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPELL IT OUT? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE.
SO IT'S THE LICENSURE THAT'S REQUIRED TO OPERATE CERTAIN TYPES OF EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES IN THE COUNTY.
I MEAN EVERY LOCALITY IS CHALLENGED WITH GETTING CDL FOLKS ON BOARD.
SO TO YOUR POINT, YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY BUILDING THAT.
UM, SO ANY CASE, JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
AND THEN LET ME KEEP GOING AND SHOW YOU WHAT THIS COOL THING THAT WE OFFER.
WE, WE DEVELOPED THIS IN HR AND I CAN'T EVEN TAKE CREDIT 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE THEN, BUT THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT DEVELOPED THIS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, DOUG AND WAYNE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THIS, BUT THIS IS A TOTAL COMPENSATION CALENDAR THAT WE HAVE.
WE PUT ON OUR WEBSITE, THE PUBLIC FACING WEBSITE.
IT'S ALSO ON THE NAVIGATOR, WHICH IS AN INTERNAL, UM, INTRANET FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND WE ALSO PUT A LINK TO IT ON OUR JOB POSTINGS SO THAT CANDIDATES WHO ARE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT WITH THE COUNTY CAN GO OUT AND REALLY PLAY ON THIS TOTAL COMPENSATION CALCULATOR.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WHEN THEY CLICK ON IT, THIS IS WHAT POPS UP AND THE FIRST THING YOU GO TO IS AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU CLICK ON THE TAB OF WHATEVER RETIREMENT PLAN YOU'RE GONNA BE IN UNDER VRS.
NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN PLAY WITH IT.
UM, HYBRID IS GONNA BE FOR THE MOST PEOPLE WE'RE HIRING BECAUSE IT'S AFTER 2014 AND IT EXCLUDES PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, SO YOU JUST THEN GO TO THE TOP IN THAT BLUE BOX AT THE TOP AND YOU WOULD JUST ENTER WHAT THE SALARY IS THAT WE'RE EITHER OFFERING YOU OR THAT YOU SEE ADVERTISED AND YOU JUST PICK A SALARY.
WE JUST HAPPENED TO PICK THE CURRENT MEDIAN FOR YOUR COUNTY, WHICH IS 56,000 AND SOME CHANGE.
AND SO YOU JUST PLUG THAT IN, YOU PICK WHAT BENEFIT PLANS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN FOR YOUR FAMILY AND IT POPS UP NUMBERS SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT'S WORTH.
AND I'M GONNA BLOW THAT UP FOR YOU TO HELP YOUR EYES.
SO IF YOU LOOKED AT THE EMPLOYEE AND FAMILY LEVEL OF COVERAGE, THIS IS REALLY COOL.
SO AT A SALARY OF A BASE SALARY OF 56,465, LET'S SAY WE OFFERED THAT SALARY, THE TOTAL BENEFITS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD PAY FOR FOR THOSE BENEFITS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $34,872, BRINGING THEIR TOTAL COMPENSATION TO $91,338.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND COMPENSATION IS NOT JUST MONEY.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE GIFTS THAT YORK COUNTY IS REALLY, REALLY GREAT AT OFFERING.
UM, WE HAVE GREAT RETIREMENT AND GREAT BENEFIT PACKAGE.
WE HAVE GREAT INCENTIVES, WE HAVE GREAT PERKS ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, DEGREE REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAMS, EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS, WELLNESS INCENTIVES, NEW HIRE INCENTIVES.
I MEAN WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WE OFFER FITNESS DISCOUNTS, CREDIT UNION MEMBERSHIPS.
WE OFFER A LOT OF REALLY NEAT THINGS THAT EMPLOYEES COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IF THEY JOIN OUR TEAM.
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT VRS AND BRIEFING.
I I CERTAINLY, YES, I HAVE SOME PIECES OF IT AND THEN I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING YOU HAVE ON THAT MR. SHE, HOW WELL DO YOU FEEL THAT DETAILS GETTING ACROSS TO APPLICANTS? SO NOT SURE THAT IT IS, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE NOW STARTED POSTING IT ON THE JOB POSTINGS.
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SO THAT CANDIDATES CAN GO OUT THERE AND SEE IT AS THEY'RE DECIDING BETWEEN YOUR COUNTY OR JANE CITY OR YOUR COUNTY OR NEWPORT NEWS OR YOUR COUNTY OR HAMPTON.I, I ACTUALLY HAD THE PLEASURE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I HAD THE PLEASURE TO GO SPEAK AT A CONFERENCE CALLED LEAP HR AND IT'S DESIGNED JUST FOR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND I GOT INVITED TO SPEAK AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SPOKE OF WAS ALL THE INCENTIVES THAT YORK COUNTY DOES AND YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULD BE AMAZED AT HOW MANY, THESE ARE LOCALITIES AND STATE GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WERE FASCINATED BY THAT ONE TOOL RIGHT THERE THAT NONE OF THEM HAD.
BECAUSE IT DOES REALLY DESCRIBE AND SHOW YOU IN NUMBERS HOW MUCH THE COUNTY GIVES.
RIGHT? SO LIKE PROGRESSIVE INSURANCE, YOU SHOW WHAT YOU MAKE HERE, TOTAL CONVERSATION COMPARED TO OTHER LOCALITIES AND THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
THEY SURE CAN AND THEY CAN SEE A NUMBER TO IT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE WANNA KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH IT IS.
AND OF COURSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S GOT SOME PLAY IN IT.
'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT PLAN AND DEPENDS ON WHAT RETIREMENT PLAN YOU'RE IN.
BUT IF YOU ARE A NEW PERSON TRYING TO DECIDE DO I TAKE THIS CHANCE AND MAKE THIS MOVE, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY? AND HEALTH INSURANCE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU FROM THE EMPLOYEE ONLY LEVEL IN COMPARISON, TAKE THE SAME MEDIAN SALARY.
IF THEY ELECTED THEIR BENEFITS, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL 22,000 AND SOME CHANGE FOR A TOTAL OF ALMOST 79,000 FOR THEM.
AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY REMARKABLE, AND THIS KEEP IN MIND THIS IS ONLY WHAT THE COUNTY PAYS FOR THEIR BENEFITS.
SO THIS IS EVERYTHING WE'RE GIVING TO THEM.
THIS IS THE, THE COMPENSATION INCREASED PROPOSAL THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR PUT IN HIS BUDGET PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL.
THIS IS THE 4%, 500 AS HE EXPLAINED IN THAT PRESENTATION.
WE WANTED TO VISUALLY SHOW YOU WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE AS IT IMPACTS A $30,000 EMPLOYEE VERSUS A $90,000 EMPLOYEE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS A FAN OF DOING PERCENTAGE AND FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, RIGHTFULLY SO BECAUSE THE FLAT DOLLAR AMOUNT HELPS TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE LOWER PAYING SALARIES.
SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT AS WELL.
ROSE, BEFORE YOU LEAVE COMPENSATION, I WANT TO STOP FOR A MOMENT.
DO WE UNDERSTAND THAT OR HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT? I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT MAY IMPACT US.
SO I HAVE SOME, SO IN THAT HR DIRECTOR'S MEETING ACTUALLY, THAT WE WENT TO, THEY RECENTLY DID A STUDY, UM, A COMPENSATION STUDY USING BOLTON.
AND THE RESULTS OF THAT COMPENSATION STUDY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THEIR DIRECTOR IS THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO GET, THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR SALARY PERCENTILE OF WHERE THEY FALL.
THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE IT TO A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
IN TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCREASE THE GENERAL WAGE.
SO THEY'VE PROPOSED A 5% GENERAL WAGE INCREASE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT IN SALARIES AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THEIR MINIMUM WAGE TO 1647 TO TRY TO GET ENTRY LEVEL INTO THAT PERCENTILE.
I I DO NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA SPEND OR WHAT OTHER THINGS THEY'RE WILLING TO DO TO MAKE MOVES TO CURRENT EMPLOYEES, BUT I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN THEIR BUDGET.
I, I DON'T WANNA GET BACK INTO A SITUATION LIKE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE WE STARTED EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL BECAUSE OF, UH, LARGE PAY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN COUNTIES.
AND I WANT TO, UH, YES SIR, AT LEAST HIGHLIGHT THAT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND SEE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY, UH, MOVE ON OUR PART TO BALANCE, I WOULD, I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU THAT MR. STEVENS AND I ARE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE THAT MONEY'S BEING PLACED AND WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING WITH IT.
BEFORE, BEFORE YOU SURE HIT OFF THIS.
SO A COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE BURIED IN HERE.
YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COMPENSATION PACK.
GO THAT ONE WITH THE 56 MM-HMM.
UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE SALARY RELATED COST OR PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, I MEAN, ALMOST DOUBLES.
UH, WHAT, SO WHEN WE BRING ON AN EMPLOYEE, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE IN HERE, IF I'M MISSING IT, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.
IT'S THE TAX THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY A FEDERAL TAX AND THE STATE TAX ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THE 56,000, THAT'S WHAT THE TAX YEAH.
IT'S GONNA BE DOWN, PROBABLY, PROBABLY DROP ALMOST WHAT? SEVEN, $8,000 PLUS VRS CONTRIBUTION THEY HAVE TO MAKE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A MANDATORY 5% VRS IS IN.
BUT THIS IS ALL WHAT WE PAY, REMEMBER? THAT'S ALL JUST WHAT WE PAY.
SO WHEN YOU GET THROUGH PICKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, 56,000
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BUCKS, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME JINGLE IN YOUR POCKET HERE.HOWEVER YOUR MONEY FALLS OR WHATEVER THAT SONG IS,
YOU KNOW, GASOLINE, FOOD AND, AND, UH, SO IT, IT GETS EATEN UP PRETTY QUICK.
AND CONVERSELY, WE ALSO DON'T INCLUDE FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS, WE ALSO PAY FOR VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT AND OTHER THINGS TO HELP UNIFORMS AND OTHER THINGS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS.
AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THIS IS ONLY WHAT THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR PORTION THAT THEY HAVE TO DO, WHICH THEN WILL EAT AWAY AT SOME OF THIS, WHICH IS ALL THE MORE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND.
AND THEN AS YOU APPLY GENERAL WAGE INCREASES AND AS YOU APPLY ALL THE OTHER PERKS AND BENEFITS THAT WE OFFER, UM, THOSE THINGS MATTER AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE NON-MONETARY THINGS.
PEOPLE LOOK FOR FLEXIBILITY AND WORK, SCHEDULING, WORK ENVIRONMENT, CULTURE, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE ALSO OFFER HERE AT THE COUNTY, WHICH IS ANOTHER PERK.
'CAUSE PEOPLE REALLY COME FOR THOSE THINGS AS WELL.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS HAVE SHARED FEEDBACK WITH ME ABOUT HIRES THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THAT SPEAKS HIGHLY OF Y COUNTY.
IF WE GO INTO BENEFITS OVERVIEW, NOW WE'RE GONNA DIVE INTO WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FOR US? MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, WE ARE SELF-INSURED WITH OUR MEDICAL AND DENTAL PLANS.
UM, AND TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE SELF-INSURED, THAT REALLY JUST BASICALLY MEANS WE CAN CONTROL OUR PLAN DESIGNS SO THAT WE CAN TAILOR AND CUSTOMIZE THOSE TO FIT OUR EMPLOYEES' NEEDS.
WE GET REPORTS QUARTERLY FROM OUR, UM, CONSULTANTS ON WHERE WE STAND WITH, YOU KNOW, HIGH CLAIMS, WHERE WE STAND WITH THE UTILIZATION ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WE GET TO LOOK AT WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE AND WORK WITH THEM AND WORK WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT OUR PLAN DESIGNS LOOK LIKE SO THAT WE TRY TO MEET MOST OF THE NEEDS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
EVERYBODY'S SITUATIONS ARE DIFFERENT.
BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOME SAY IN THAT, WHICH IS NICE.
UM, WHEN YOU ALSO MANAGE YOUR WELLNESS AND YOU MANAGE THE EFFORTS YOU MAKE TOWARDS KEEPING YOUR FOLKS HEALTHY, YOU CONTRIBUTE TO KEEPING COSTS DOWN, UTILIZATION DOWN CLAIMS DOWN.
AND SO IN THE END, IT TYPICALLY SAVES THE LOCALITY MONEY BECAUSE BEING FULLY INSURED, YOU TEND TO SEE SIX TO 8% INCREASE IN RATES AND COSTS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA FACTOR IN FEES.
YOU FACTOR IN STATE PREMIUM TAXES, AND YOU FACTOR IN TREND BECAUSE THE CARRIER IS AT RISK WHEN IT'S FULLY INSURED.
SO IT TENDS TO COST LOCALITIES MORE MONEY WHEN YOU GO FULLY INSURED.
SO WHO ARE WE USING AS AN ADVISOR? WE USE, UM, USI.
AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT.
THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE, THE COUNTY'S NEEDS AT THE FOREFRONT WHEN WE'RE MEETING ALWAYS.
AND THEY, AND THEY COME THROUGH WITH WHATEVER WE NEED.
SO YES, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT, WHAT OUR EFFORTS ARE.
YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE TYPICALLY TO GO FULLY INSURED THAN SELF-ASSURED? YES.
WELL, SELF-INSURED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE.
UH, WE COVER THINGS I THINK UNDER WHAT, 300,000 THAT, BUT WE HAVE YES SIR.
WE STILL BUY INSURANCE TO, FOR STOP LOSS TO COVER THE MILLION DOLLARS OR THE TEST DRIVE IT OR THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION ACT FOR LIFE COMPENSATION.
THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT OUR SELF INSURANCE IS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN A HEALTH INSURANCE FUND.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE POLICY IN PLACE AS TO WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS.
SO THAT IF EVER WE HAVE TO PAY A HIGH SET OF CLAIMS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO.
BUT IN THE LONG RUN, WHEN YOU STRETCH THAT OUT, THE COUNTY WILL SAVE MONEY IN THE END.
AND THAT'S WHY WELLNESS IS SO IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN INITIATIVES IN PLACE.
SO AS YOU LOOK AT WHAT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN OPTIONS ARE, THIS IS CURRENT YEAR CALENDAR 24.
'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN YEAR ON A CALENDAR YEAR, EVEN THOUGH OUR BUDGET CYCLE IS ON A FISCAL YEAR.
SO THESE ARE THE THREE PLANS THAT WE OFFER.
THE FIRST ONE BEING THE HSA PLAN.
SO THIS IS YOUR TYPICAL HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
UM, IT'S NICE TO HAVE POWER OF CHOICE FOR EMPLOYEES.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GIVE THEM OPTIONS BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY SITUATIONS ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
SO SOMEBODY MIGHT PREFER A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MEDICAL NEEDS OR WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF HIGH MEDICAL COSTS ON A FREQUENT BASIS.
AND SO WHAT YOU GET OUT OF A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN IS THE COUNTY PROVIDES A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT, WHICH IS KNOWN AS AN HSA, AND WE ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE HSA.
SO WHEN YOU'RE IN AN HSA PLAN, YOU GET LOWER PREMIUMS EVERY PAY PERIOD.
WE OFFER A ZERO PREMIUM FOR EMPLOYEE ONLY.
SO YOU GET A LOWER PREMIUM EVERY PAY PERIOD.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT COSTS YOU MORE OUTTA YOUR POCKET EVERY TIME YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR.
BUT THE IDEAL SITUATION IS THAT THESE FOLKS DON'T GO TO THE DOCTOR, BUT ONCE A YEAR FOR THEIR ANNUAL PHYSICALS.
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ON TOP OF THE CONTRIBUTION THEY GET, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A WIN-WIN.IF YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE ON THE OAP PLAN, WHICH IS MORE OF OUR TRADITIONAL POINT OF SERVICE PLAN WE OFFER IN-NETWORK AND OUT OF NETWORK BENEFITS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY A SLIGHTLY HIGHER PREMIUM EACH PAY PERIOD FOR THAT PLAN.
BUT EVERY TIME YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR, YOUR OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS ARE GONNA BE LESS BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'RE GONNA PAY COPAYS AND COINSURANCES AND, AND A LOT OF THINGS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR DEDUCTIBLE MET FIRST HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
YOU HAVE TO MEET YOUR DEDUCTIBLE BEFORE ANY OF THE BENEFITS KICK IN.
THAT'S WHY IT'S A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT PEOPLE'S NEEDS ARE.
UM, WE TEND, OBVIOUSLY, OUR MOST WIDELY USED PLAN IS THE OAP ONE PLAN.
THAT'S THE MORE TRADITIONAL POINT OF SERVICE PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE.
BUT WE, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, AS WE CONTINUE TO HIRE MORE AND MORE FOLKS, WE ARE SEEING THE HSA ENROLLMENT SLIGHTLY INCREASE.
AND IT COULD SPEAK TO THE GENERATIONS THAT WE'RE HIRING INTO THE WORKFORCE.
IT COULD SPEAK TO MEDICAL SITUATIONS OF WHO WE'RE HIRING INTO THE WORKFORCE.
UM, SO THE HSA PLAN COST THE COUNTY LESS IN THE END.
AND IT'S, IT'S A GREAT POWER OF CHOICE FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE.
AND THEN FOR OUR POST 65 RETIREES, WE OFFER HUMANA MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLAN.
AND I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL OF EACH OF THESE PLANS, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO GET AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE THREE PAN, THE THREE, THREE PLANS ARE AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THOSE.
DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE PLANS BEFORE I KEEP GOING? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO A OPTION THAT INCORPORATES THE, THE CONCIERGE, UM, HEALTH SERVICES PROVIDERS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR ANOTHER, IF SIMILAR TO THE FIRST BULLET POINT, BUT SO YEAH, IT DISTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THEY CAN REALLY BRING THEIR, THEIR OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS DOWN IF THEY ONLY NEED TO GO THERE WHEN THEY CUT THE LEG WITH THE CHAINSAW, WHATEVER.
SO WE OFFER SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT IN OUR, THROUGH OUR EAP PROGRAM.
BUT CONCIERGE SERVICES IS SOMETHING THAT WE, WE MIGHT'VE BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THAT A COUPLE TIMES WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, BUT WE'VE NOT REALLY GOTTEN ANY DATA ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT IT WOULD COST.
BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION FOR US TO EXPLORE.
ANYTHING THAT YOU, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT, JUST LOOK AT HOW THE WORLD HAS CHANGED WITH ALL THE ONLINE SHOPPING THAT EVERYBODY DOES, EVERYBODY GETS EVERYTHING DELIVERED TO THEM.
NOBODY GOES OUT TO GET IT ANYMORE.
AND SO IT'S THE SAME CONCEPT WITH CONCIERGE WHERE YOU CAN CALL AND GET HELP WITH WHAT YOU NEED TO FIND INSTEAD OF YOU GOING TO FIND IT YOURSELF.
AND SO IT COULD JUST BE ANOTHER TREND THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY TAP INTO.
IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING INTO TO SEE HOW THAT FITS IN, SO.
SO THIS IS JUST TO DEPICT TO YOU OUR CURRENT PARTICIPATION.
SO OUT OF THE TWO MEDICAL PLANS, THE HSA ON THE LEFT, THE OAP ONE ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE TOTAL ENROLLMENT FOR THE OAP IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE HSA.
UM, AND THE TOTAL ENROLLMENT IN BOTH PLANS IS OVER 1700.
AND THAT SAYS MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT MEANS NOT JUST EMPLOYEES, BUT ALL THE COVERED DEPENDENTS AS WELL.
UM, INCLUDING RETIRE 365 RETIREES.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE OAP PLAN IS, ARE OBVIOUSLY WIDELY USED AND YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGES BY COLOR OF WHICH TYPE OF FOLKS ARE IN WHICH SECTIONS OF THE PLANS.
AND THEN IN COMPARISON, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLAN WITH HUMANA, THIS HAS 120 MEMBERS CURRENTLY IN IT.
IT'S SLIGHTLY UP FROM LAST YEAR, BUT ALL OF OUR PLANS HAVE HAD JUST SLIGHT CHANGES IN THE ENROLLMENT.
SO NOTHING DRASTIC, NOTHING CRAZY.
UM, THIS WAS MAYBE ONE 10 LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE BREAKOUT BETWEEN RETIREES AND SPOUSES.
SO THIS IS OUR POST 65 RETIREES AND SPOUSES THAT WE ALLOW TO GO THROUGH HUMANA.
NOTHING BUT POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS PLAN.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF BRING TO YOU SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE DID FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THINGS WE IMPLEMENTED FOR THIS PLAN YEAR.
SO ORIGINALLY THE FORECASTED INCREASE FOR OUR MEDICAL WAS GONNA BE 10%.
UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION WAS ABLE TO LOWER THAT PERCENTAGE, UM, TO 8%.
SO THAT'S THE INCREASE THAT EMPLOYEES SAW ACROSS MEDICAL AND DENTAL.
WE DID HAVE TO INCREASE OUR IN-NETWORK DEDUCTIBLE FOR HSAS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EMBEDDED DEDUCTIBLE.
AND SO IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT EMBEDDED DEDUCTIBLE MEANS, WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMBEDDED DEDUCTIBLE, YOU TAKE THE FAMILY DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNT, WHICH IS 7,000 NOW.
AND EACH INDIVIDUAL IN THAT FAMILY UNIT HAS THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL DEDUCTIBLE.
SO LET'S SAY IT'S 3,500 FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT'S 7,000 FOR FAMILY.
EACH MEMBER OF THE FAMILY HAS THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL $3,500 DEDUCTIBLE THAT ONCE THEY MEET THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL, THEY CAN START
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RECOUPING THE BENEFITS OF THE PLAN EVEN THOUGH THE FAMILY HASN'T BEEN ACHIEVED YET.AND NO MATTER IF ONE PERSON GETS THE WHOLE 7,000 OR FIVE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY GET THE 7,000, ONCE THE 7,000 IS MET FOR THE FAMILY, THEN ALL MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY GET THE BENEFITS.
SO WE DO HAVE AN EMBEDDED DEDUCTIBLE THAT ALLOWS FAMILY, INDIVIDUAL FAMILY MEMBERS TO START GETTING BENEFITS SOONER INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY DEDUCTIBLE TO BE MET.
AND SO WITH THAT COMES IRS GUIDELINES TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNTS.
AND THE IRS INCREASED THE DEDUCTIBLE AMOUNTS TO 3,200, UM, IN 2024.
SO WE OPTED TO JUST GO TO 3,500 BECAUSE IT'S GONNA INCREASE AGAIN WITH INFLATION.
AND SO INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO INCREASE IT TWICE AND CHANGE TWICE FOR EMPLOYEES, WE JUST DID IT TO 3,500.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR OUT-OF-POCKET MAX.
'CAUSE YOU WANNA KEEP A SPREAD BETWEEN DEDUCTIBLES AND MAXIMUMS. SO WE HAD TO DO THAT.
WE IMPLEMENTED A MOTIVATE ME WELLNESS PROGRAM.
AGAIN, I, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEING SELF-INSURED, THE IMPORTANCE OF WELLNESS.
SO WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PROGRAM WITH CIGNA AND IT'S A WELLNESS INCENTIVE TO WHERE IF EMPLOYEES MEET TWO CRITERIA THAT WE ESTABLISH.
ONE IS IF THEY GO GET AN ANNUAL PHYSICAL OR AN EXAM MM-HMM.
AND TWO, IF THEY COMPLETE THE HEALTH ASSESSMENT THROUGH CIGNA, IF THEY DO THOSE THINGS IN OUR CALENDAR YEAR, THEY WILL GET $200 AS A WELLNESS INCENTIVE.
WE PAY IT QUARTERLY, BUT IT'S AN ANNUAL ONE TIME, $200.
SO WHENEVER THEY ACHIEVE IT, SO WE'LL PAY IT QUARTERLY.
SO WE DON'T WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR AND MAKE PEOPLE WAIT TO GET IT.
IF THEY ACHIEVE IT IN THE FIRST QUARTER, WE'LL PAY IT THAT QUARTER FOR THE NEXT GROUP THAT ACHIEVES IT IN THE NEXT QUARTER, WE'LL PAY IT.
SO IT'S AGAIN, ANOTHER THING TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO GET SCREENINGS.
BECAUSE THE SOONER WE CAN DISCOVER MEDICAL ISSUES, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE OF GETTING THOSE RESOLVED BEFORE THEY BECOME CATASTROPHIC AND HIGH CLAIMS. OKAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S, WOULD YOU BELIEVE, I'M SURE Y'ALL WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IN THE FIRST QUARTER, I THINK IN THE FIRST MONTH OR TWO, WE HAD PEOPLE ALREADY COMPLETING IT.
REALLY? SO THEY WOULD, OH, THEY WERE JUST, THEY WERE READY
SO YOU HAVE TO BE ENROLLED IN THE CIGNA PLAN THROUGH THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VALIDATE THE DATA.
AND IT'S FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY AT THIS POINT.
SO IT DOESN'T COVER COVER DEPENDENTS, BUT IT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THEY'RE HOLDING BACK ON MEDICARE, UH, MEDICAL, UH, CARE AND THEN WAITING TO GET INTO A NEW CYCLE OR WHAT.
SO WE, IF YOU TAKE THIS WELLNESS INCENTIVE OUT, WE HAD, WE HAD ENOUGH DATA FROM OUR MEDICAL CARRIER TO KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST WEREN'T TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES AND GOING TO THE DOCTOR LIKE THEY SHOULD.
RIGHT? THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GET SCREENINGS.
THEY WEREN'T GETTING CHECKUPS.
AND THEN COVID DIDN'T HELP OF COURSE.
'CAUSE NOBODY WENT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE BACK ON THE ROUTINE.
AND SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT WE OFFERED IN JANUARY WHEN WE DID OPEN ENROLLMENT IS WE OFFERED THIS WELLNESS INCENTIVE AND THEN AS SOON AS JANUARY ONE HIT, WE HAD PEOPLE GOING TO THE DOCTOR TO GET THOSE TWO CRITERIA MET SO THEY COULD GET THE $200.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE SET TO PAY THAT.
'CAUSE JANUARY TO MARCH IS THE FIRST QUARTER.
SO WE'RE SET TO PAY THAT NEXT MONTH.
WE'RE SET TO NEXT WEEK SET TO PAY IT FOR THE FIRST QUARTER TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE READY TO GET, SO YEAH.
SO WE'RE PILOTING THIS TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, HOW WE'RE RECEIVED IT IS IF IT'S, IF IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
UM, AND SO IN THE END WHAT WE PAY FOR, IT WILL WAY MORE SAVE IN THE CLAIMS. YES.
IF IT WORKS THE WAY WE BELIEVE IT WILL WORK.
WE ALSO OFFER SOME DENTAL ENHANCEMENTS, UM, THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
SO WE TRIED TO GET, AGAIN, SOME PREVENTIVE CARE AND TO HELP SOME OF OUR KIDS.
SO NOW WE OFFER A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERAGE FOR DIAGNOSTIC PREVENTIVE CARE FOR CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 13.
AND THEN WE ALSO OFFER SOME SPECIAL HEALTHCARE NEEDS FOR THOSE CHILDREN WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS.
WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CLEANINGS 'CAUSE IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM INSTEAD OF TWO CLEANINGS PER YEAR, WE DO FOUR.
AND THEN WE OFFER SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL PERKS FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO THESE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY IMPACTFUL BENEFITS THAT WE COULD DO THAT DIDN'T COST THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY.
SO AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING FOR CALENDAR YEAR 25, THESE ARE SOME PROPOSALS, AS YOU KNOW, FROM MR. BELLAMY'S PRESENTATION.
UM, WE ARE ONLY SEEKING A 2% INCREASE FOR EMPLOYEES AND HEALTH INSURANCE, WHICH IS PHENOMENAL.
I WILL TELL YOU, AS YOU LOOK AT DOUBLE DIGIT NATIONAL TREND INCREASES IN MEDICAL, UM, 2% IS AMAZING.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. BELLAMY MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER HUGE, UM, PERK ABOUT THIS, IS THAT IF YOU ALL APPROVE THE GENERAL WAGE INCREASE, THIS WILL ACTUALLY BE BELOW THE GENERAL WAGE.
YOU KNOW, THE COST TO THEM WILL BE LESS THAN WHAT THEY WILL GET FROM THE GENERAL WAGE INCREASE, WHICH IS AGAIN, REMARKABLE.
SO THEY WILL ACTUALLY GET TO FEEL SOME OF THE RAISE.
UM, THE COUNTY'S GONNA ABSORB THE OTHER 12%.
UM, WE DID THAT ACROSS MEDICAL AND DENTAL TO KEEP THOSE TWO PLANS CONSISTENT.
AND ON SOME, UH, FUTURE SLIDES HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, I'LL SHOW YOU THE NUMBERS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE HUMANA PLAN.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE RATE INCREASE FOR THAT YET BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COME OUT TILL SEPTEMBER.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN THE PAST
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SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S ONLY INCREASED $6 TO $13 A MONTH.SO IT'S NOT, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT TO BE A HUGE INCREASE IN THAT EITHER.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S SO AFFORDABLE.
UM, AND, AND OUR 50% CONTRIBUTION IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE STILL APPLIES TO THAT AS WELL.
SO IT'S ANOTHER REALLY NICE PERK THAT THE COUNTY OFFERS.
SO WE WANTED TO TELL YOU WHAT THINGS WE WERE EXPLORING WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTHCARE.
UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING AN RFP FOR A STANDALONE VISION PLAN.
SO RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT OFFER A STANDALONE VISION PLAN.
WE HAVE VISION BENEFITS WITH OUR MEDICAL PLAN, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A STANDALONE VISION FOR EMPLOYEES WHO MAYBE DON'T HAVE OUR MEDICAL, OR MAYBE THEY ONLY COVER THEIR SPOUSE ON OUR MEDICAL PLAN, BUT THEIR KIDS NEED VISION BENEFITS SO THEY CAN ENROLL AN EMPLOYEE AND CHILDREN UNDER VISION.
SO IT'S AN, AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER ADDED POWER OF CHOICE FOR EMPLOYEES.
AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT BECAUSE IT'S A TOTALLY EMPLOYEE FUNDED PLAN.
IT WOULD COST THE COUNTY NOTHING.
AND SO WHY NOT OFFER IT AT THE LITTLE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE US ADMINISTER THE PLAN.
SO WE'RE GONNA OFFER THAT AND SEE HOW RECEPTIVE THAT IS.
BUT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH SOME FEEDBACK ALREADY THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN IN US HAVING THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, AND HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? HOW'S THE VISION PLAN GONNA WORK? SO WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE, SO AGAIN, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THINGS THEY CAN OFFER AND WHAT THINGS WE'RE GONNA SETTLE ON.
WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IS YOU TYPICALLY SEE, UH, AN EXAM COVERED EVERY 12 MONTHS AND YOU TYPICALLY SEE FLAT COPAY AMOUNTS FOR YOUR EX FOR YOUR EXAM, YOUR MATERIALS, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A REIMBURSEMENT ALLOWABLE CHARGE REIMBURSEMENT FOR EXTRA MATERIALS, OR IF YOU WANT CONTACTS, YOU'LL HAVE A DISCOUNT FOR LASER SURGERY.
SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF BENEFITS WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF FRAMES, CERTAIN TYPES OF GLASSES.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE TRANSITIONAL LENSES, PROGRESSIVE LENSES, SCRATCH FREE LENSES.
SO WHAT'S GONNA BE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ALLOW IT DO YOU THINK? IT'S GONNA DEPEND.
IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT QUALITY PLAN WE DECIDE TO GO WITH.
IT CAN BE $200, IT CAN BE 150, IT CAN BE $75.
AND YOU CAN TYPICALLY SET A MAX OF HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO ALLOW FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT.
UM, AND THE RATES FOR A VISION PLAN ARE VERY MINIMAL.
LIKE AN EMPLOYEE ONLY, YOU'RE TALKING A FEW DOLLARS FOR PAY PERIOD.
SO IT'S A VERY AFFORDABLE PLAN THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THE BIDS IN WHAT COMPANIES HAVE TO OFFER, A COMMITTEE WILL GET TOGETHER, WE'LL INTERVIEW AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THE PLAN DESIGN.
SEE, TO ME THEY A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, WEARING GLASSES AND MM-HMM
WE GO THERE AND BUY GLASSES OR ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO 600 BUCKS.
AND, UM, AND SO IF YOU CAN GET THE THREE TO 600 BUCKS OF GLASSES AT WHAT, MAYBE THREE, $4 A MONTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PROGRAM.
UM, THERE'S MAYBE GONNA BE A SELECT RANGE OF GLASSES THAT YOU CAN PICK FROM.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS USE ADDED BENEFITS IF YOU WANT TO GO FOR THE HIGHER EXPENSIVE FRAMES OR THE HIGHER EXPENSIVE LENSES AND PAY THE DIFFERENCE.
SO IT'LL HAVE ALL KINDS OF FEATURES IN IT THAT EMPLOYEES, AGAIN, WILL GET TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANNA DO AND HOW THEY WANNA DO IT.
UM, SOME, YOU CAN EVEN GET OUTOF NETWORK BENEFITS.
SO IF YOU GO TO AN EYE DOCTOR THAT'S NOT IN THE NETWORK AND YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, GO AND YOU CAN GET AT LEAST SOME DISCOUNT, THOSE ARE FORTITUDE.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A NICE THING TO OFFER.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT GONNA MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.
I DON'T EXPECT IT TO HAVE A HIGH ENROLLMENT.
'CAUSE STANDALONE VISION PLANS USUALLY DON'T, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE OFFER IT IN OUR MEDICAL PLAN CURRENTLY.
YOU, YOU STILL TEND TO NOT SEE HIGH UTILIZATION IN IT, BUT IT JUST GIVES SOMEBODY SOMETHING TO CHOOSE FROM.
UM, THIS COMMITTEE, THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT MR. VALMY MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION.
THIS IS A, A COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER TO TRY TO HELP GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.
SO IT WOULD BE A COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTED BY OUR DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY TO HELP US WITH WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR.
AND ONE OF THE SUBJECT MATTERS WE WERE GONNA EXPLORE WITH THIS COMMITTEE IS HEALTH INSURANCE.
SO BEFORE WE EMBARK INTO CALENDAR YEAR 25, UM, WE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER THIS COMMITTEE SO WE COULD USE CALENDAR YEAR 25 TO EXPLORE WHAT ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR, WHAT DO THEY NEED IN HEALTH INSURANCE, WHAT DO THEY HOPE THE COUNTY WOULD CONSIDER SO THAT WE HAVE THOSE THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR US IN FUTURE YEARS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A NICE WAY TO GET FEEDBACK AND TO REALLY TAP INTO WHAT EMPLOYEES NEED INSTEAD OF US JUST ASSUMING WHAT THEY NEED.
WE ALSO ARE GONNA LOOK TO EXPAND OUR WELLNESS PROGRAMS. AND I HAVE A SLIDE LATER IN THE DECK THAT I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING TO TRY TO ENHANCE OUR HEALTHCARE.
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE PROJECTED RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
OKAY? IF YOU WENT WITH THE 2% AND THE 12% THAT
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MR. BELLAMY PROPOSED IN HIS BUDGET PRESENTATION, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.THE TWO DARK BLUE COLUMNS ARE THE COLUMNS THAT WOULD SHOW YOU THE INCREASE.
AND SO THE AMOUNTS IN RED INDICATE THE DOLLAR FIGURE OF THE INCREASE.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THOSE ARE MONTHLY.
NOW EMPLOYEES GET PAID PER PAY PERIOD.
BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW IT TO YOU MONTHLY, BUT WE GET PAID PER PAY PERIOD.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT OAP, THE FURTHEST RIGHT BLUE COLUMN AND ALL THE WAY DOWN FAMILY PLAN, THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN WE HAVE.
THEY WOULD PAY $5 AND 50 CENTS MORE PER PAY PERIOD.
IF YOU WENT WITH A 2% INCREASE.
I MEAN THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT MUCH.
IF I COULD JUST TELL YOU HOW AMAZING THAT IS.
SO THAT'S REALLY A GOOD, THAT'S REALLY A GOOD PLAN.
I CAN SHOW YOU DENTAL AND I'LL COME BACK TO THIS, BUT LEMME JUST SHOW YOU THIS DENTAL, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RATE INCREASES, IF WE APPLIED THE 2% TO DENTAL, IT WAS SO SMALL THAT THE AMOUNT INCREASE IS GONNA BE LESS THAN A DOLLAR.
THE MONTHLY INCREASE WAS COMING UP TO 40 CENTS.
AND THEN YOU DIVIDED IN HALF TO GET PER PAY PERIOD.
YOU'RE TALKING CENTS LIKE COINS.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FEEL ANY INCREASE IN THE DENTAL, BUT REGARDLESS IF YOU WENT WITH THE 2%, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN A DOLLAR.
SO IT WOULD, IT'S GONNA PRETTY MUCH JUST STAY THE SAME BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT, WE ROUND, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 20 CENT, 40 CENT.
SO IT'LL JUST PRETTY MUCH STAY THE SAME.
UM, BUT ANOTHER, ANOTHER GREAT THING IF YOU WENT WITH THAT, SO TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT OUR DENTAL PLANS LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WE OFFER, WE DO HAVE TWO DENTAL PLANS.
THEY'RE BOTH THROUGH DELTA DENTAL.
ONE IS A PPO PLUS PREMIER OPTION AND ONE IS AN EPO OPTION.
SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCES, THE PPO PLUS PREMIER PLAN, THAT HAS A MUCH LARGER NETWORK THAT IS NATIONWIDE.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN THAT IS MOST WIDELY USED BECAUSE P HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE IN COLLEGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE CHILDREN NEED COVERAGE.
THEY MIGHT BE RETIREES THAT HAVE MOVED TO FLORIDA OR HAVE MOVED TO TEXAS OR MOVED TO SOME OTHER STATE AND THEY WANNA HAVE COVERAGE.
UM, YOUR PPO PLUS PREMIER PLAN IS ALSO GONNA HAVE PERCENTAGE COVERAGE'S, A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERAGE FOR PRE PREVENTIVE SERVICES.
OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 80% COVERAGE FOR BASIC SERVICES LIKE FILLINGS.
IT'S GONNA OFFER 50% COVERAGE FROM MAJOR SERVICES LIKE CROWNS, ROOT CANALS THAT WE ALL UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO HAVE AT SOME POINT IN LIFE.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT, IT COVERS ORTHODONTIC SERVICES COMPARED TO AN EPO PLAN, WHICH THE EPO PLAN MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY LESS IN IN PREMIUM EVERY PAY PERIOD, BUT IT'S A MUCH SMALLER NETWORK THAT'S NOT NATIONWIDE.
IT OFFERS A FIXED FEE SCHEDULE.
SO YOU HAVE FLAT COPAYS FOR THE SERVICES, YOU'RE GETTING NO ORTHODONTIC COVERAGE.
SO IT'S A SMALLER PLAN, LESS BENEFIT.
BUT SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DENTAL NEEDS, THAT'S ALL YOU NEED.
AND IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO'S IN YOUR MOUTH, THEN YOU MAYBE DON'T CARE.
I'VE BEEN GOING TO THIS DENTIST SINCE I WAS TWO.
IT'S FREEZING HERE IN THIS WAY.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT PEOPLE'S NEEDS ARE.
SO WHAT WE'RE AFFORDING PEOPLE IS THE POWER OF CHOICE.
NOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RATES,
SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S WHY MOST PEOPLE GO WITH THE PPO PLUS PREMIER YEAR PLAN.
'CAUSE YOU GET A BETTER NETWORK, YOU GET TYPICALLY BETTER COVERAGE.
UM, AND SO IT'S FROM NOT AS MUCH DIFFERENCE.
SO WHAT'S THAT GONNA COST? I WILL SHOW YOU THAT RIGHT HERE, SIR.
SO BOTTOM LINE, IF YOU TAKE THE EPO, I MEAN, SORRY, YOU TAKE THE PPO PLUS PREMIER PLAN, THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAN FAMILY COVERAGE, IT'S COSTING THEM $22 A MONTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT, THE EPO PLAN, IT'S ONLY $1 LESS
SO MOST PEOPLE JUST PAY THE OTHER DOLLAR AND THEY GO WITH THE PPO PLUS PAYMENT.
THAT'S A YEAR FOR IS THAT PER PERSON OR PER, UH, OF THE FAMILY? MM-HMM.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY GOOD COVERAGE.
SO THIS, JUST TO SHOW YOU OUR PARTICIPATION NUMBERS AND WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ENROLLMENT, LOOK AT THE PPO PLUS PREMIER 2002 75 MEMBERS VERSUS EPO AT 35.
THEY CAN GET THE, THE DENTAL PLAN SEPARATE FROM ANY MEDICAL PLAN, RIGHT? YES SIR.
ALL OF OUR PLANS ARE INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER.
SO IF YOU ENROLL IN MEDICAL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE DENTAL.
IF YOU ENROLL IN DENTAL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MEDICAL.
IF WE ADD THE VISION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MEDICAL OR DENTAL TO HAVE VISION.
YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICHEVER ONE SUITS YOUR MEDICAL NEEDS.
SO FAST FORWARD TO WELLNESS INITIATIVES.
THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE GOT PLANNED FOR
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THIS YEAR WHEN IT COMES TO WELLNESS INITIATIVES.AGAIN, YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS FOR US.
SO THESE ARE THE TIMEFRAMES BY WHICH WE WILL DO THESE EVENTS.
ONE REALLY, REALLY COOL THING THAT YOU ALL WILL LOVE TO HEAR, AND THERESA LOVES TO HEAR THIS, THIS DOESN'T COST THE COUNTY ANY MONEY
SO AS LONG AS IT'S WELLNESS RELATED AND WE HAVE MONEY IN THE CIGNA WELLNESS FUND, THESE THINGS ARE PAID FOR THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S REALLY ANOTHER COOL THING THAT WE GET TO HAVE TO AFFORD FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS COMING UP.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WALK TO WELLNESS IS CURRENTLY GOING ON.
I WILL TELL YOU PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.
ARE THEY THE ONE WHO WALKS THE MOST MILES GETS THIS FABULOUS YETI COOLER, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS YETI COOLER.
SO PEOPLE ARE WALK IN AND REPORTING THEIR MILES AND IT RUNS THROUGH MAY.
SO WE GOT ANOTHER MONTH OF IT.
HOW, HOW MUCH MONEY'S IN THAT CIGNA WELLNESS PROGRAM? DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU? YOU GONNA TAKE IT? YOU CAN'T TAKE NO, I'M JUST SPECIFY.
RIGHT? WELL WHAT THAT SPEAKS TO IS HOW IMPORTANT PREVENTATIVE AND WELLNESS HEALTH IS.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO INVEST $90,000 TO FUND THAT, THAT SHOWS THEY'RE GETTING A MUCH BIGGER RETURN ON NOT HAVING PEOPLE HEALTHY AS OPPOSED TO TREATING 'EM AFTERWARDS.
THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER.
SO IT, IT IS, IT IS A REALLY NICE PERK THAT WE GET TO DO THAT, UH, BECAUSE THIS STUFF, THIS STUFF COSTS MONEY, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA INVEST IN IT IN ORDER FOR IT TO GIVE YOU A RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
IN NO CLAIMS. SO, ALRIGHT, WITH THAT SAID, LET ME KEEP ROLLING AND I'LL WRAP THIS UP FOR YOU GUYS SO YOU CAN KEEP GOING WITH UNITE.
UM, JUST TO EXPLORE SOME FUTURE WELLNESS OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE ON THE SERIOUS NOTE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT WELLNESS DAYS HERE AT THE COUNTY.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE HAD HERE BEFORE.
I KNOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PTO AND VACATION AND SICK LEAVE.
THIS WOULD BE AN ALLOTTED NUMBER OF WELLNESS DAYS.
THREE, FOUR WELLNESS DAYS THAT EMPLOYEES COULD GET A YEAR THAT THEY COULD USE JUST FOR NEEDING A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO, THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE EMPLOYEES FEELING LIKE, NOT SAYING THEY WOULD, BUT FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE TO NOT TELL THE TRUTH.
THAT THEY'RE HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH DAY AND CALL OUT SICK OR NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY STRUGGLING AND HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EXCUSE AM I GONNA COME UP WITH.
I WANNA GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS ABOUT THIS.
AND THIS IS HOW PASSIONATE WE ARE ABOUT THIS WELLNESS DAYS.
YOU ALL CAN'T READ THE NEWS IN WHICHEVER FASHION YOU READ IT AND NOT READ SOMETHING ABOUT SUICIDE.
NOT READ SOMETHING ABOUT WORKPLACE VIOLENCE, NOT READ SOMETHING ABOUT BULLYING.
LOOK AT ALL THE FIGHTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN SCHOOLS AND IN WORKPLACES WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
I WILL TELL YOU, OUR CONSULTANTS PULLED SOME DATA FOR US THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND 52% OF PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES FEEL STRESSED.
40% SAY THAT THEY'RE BURNT OUT AND FATIGUED.
44% REPORT FEELING ANXIOUS AT WORK.
54% OF STATE AND LOCAL EMPLOYEES ARE FEELING THE EFFECTS OF THE NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT FROM THE PANDEMIC.
STILL, NEARLY 50% OF EMPLOYEES FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT REPORT THAT THEY'VE THOUGHT ABOUT SUICIDE AT LEAST ONCE IN THEIR CAREER.
30% OF FIRST RESPONDERS DEVELOP BEHAVIORAL CONDITIONS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT EXIST.
AND THAT'S, THESE STATISTICS DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE WORKPLACE VIOLENCE.
WE HAVE THAT, WE'VE HAD THAT HERE WITH DOMESTIC SITUATIONS.
IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE BULLYING OR THE SUICIDE THAT GOES ON.
AND IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER IF IT'S NOT GOING ON AT WORK.
IF IT'S GOING ON IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES, IT'S IMPACTING THEM.
UM, I I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO JUST CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT WELLNESS DAYS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO ADD IT BECAUSE IT JUST WOULD BE ANOTHER SMALL WAY THAT WE COULD SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THESE CHALLENGING TIMES.
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THEY LEAVE OR THEY DIE.
I GOTTA, I GOTTA NOT PUSHING BACK, BUT A QUESTION HERE.
SO WE GIVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS CHIEF, WE GIVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS, THEY'RE ON A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY'RE OFF A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
DO WE DO THAT WITH THE POLICE? DO WE KNOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THEY WORK, SO I MEAN THESE, THEY WORK SHIFTS.
THEY WERE SHIFTS, SO THEY'RE OFF.
BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THE WAY THIS HAPPENS IS THERE'S GAPS, OKAY? MM-HMM.
OKAY? SO WHEN I SEE THIS, WHAT WE'VE ADDED, UH, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE GIVEN EXTRA DAYS OFF.
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WHAT WE'VE DONE.SO HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN US ADDING EXTRA DAYS? WE'VE GIVEN, WE'VE DID, DID WE NOT ADD MORE DAYS FOR DAYS OFF DURING A HOLIDAY? SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A, A, YOU KNOW, TWO DAY HOLIDAY, YOU WOULD END UP WITH A THREE DAY HOLIDAY.
UH, YOU TAKE IT OFF ON A MONDAY IF IT FALLS ON A CERTAIN DAY OR IF YOU TAKE IT OFF FRIDAY, IF IT FALLS ON A CERTAIN DAY.
AND I'VE SEEN THEY'VE SEEN MORE AND MORE OF THAT.
SO EVERY HOLIDAY COST US COST US.
SO LOOKING AT IT FROM A, FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET, TREAT OUR EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT DO WE, I MEAN, DO, SHOULD WE JUST NOT HAVE, UH, MORE DAYS? AND SO THE, SO THE EMPLOYEE JUST HAS A DAY OFF WHEN THEY WANT TO MM-HMM.
BUT SCHEDULING IT, ASSUMING ON SCHEDULE.
SO HOW DOES THIS DIFFER? MAY I RESPOND? SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO YOU JUST GOTTA SAY I'M OLD SCHOOL PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO, UM, ROBERT'S RULES, I'M ALL ABOUT ROBERT'S RULES HOLIDAYS ARE AFFORDED TO ALL EMPLOYEES.
THIS SPACE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS JUST THOSE CHALLENGES WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
AND SO IT'S NOT WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE GETS.
I THINK WE JUST, SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE STANDARD FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE.
WE WOULD OFFER IT ACROSS EVERY EMPLOYEE, BUT NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE NECESSARILY WOULD NEED IT OR USE IT.
AND IT WOULD BE A, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS IT'D BE A USE OR LOSE.
SO YOU DON'T GET TO CARRY IT OVER AND BUILD UP SOME LARGE ACCOUNT OF MENTAL HEALTH WELLNESS DAYS.
IT COULD, IT WOULD BE LIKE A SICK DAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THEIR SICK LEAVE BALANCE.
IT'S JUST A SEPARATE POCKET OF WELLNESS DAYS THAT THEY COULD USE IF NEEDED.
AND IF THEY DON'T, AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, IT'S GONE.
BUT IT'S THERE IF THEY NEEDED IT, CAN THEY CONTRIBUTE IT TO OR GIVE THEIR SICK DAY TO ANOTHER EMPLOYEE? IT'S, WE COULD EXPLORE IT.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A DONATION LEAVE PROGRAM HERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MR. BE AND I CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE CONCEPT TO SEE IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
BECAUSE I DO FEEL VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT A WORLD YOU WOULD KNOW SO MUCH AS I WOULD, BUT IN WHAT WE DO IN HUMAN RESOURCES WITH THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS, WITH THE EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, CHALLENGES THAT WE SEE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION WE LEARN FROM PEOPLE, THE PULSE THAT WE GET FROM EMPLOYEES, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET, THE COMMENTS WE GET, THE SITUATIONS WE HAVE TO STEP IN AND TRY TO HELP RESOLVE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES GOING ON AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT IN SOME PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES.
SEE, I DON'T SEE A DAY AS BEING A, I MEAN, I COULD SEE THAT FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S PROVIDING PERSONAL CARE TO SOMEONE WITH ALZHEIMER'S, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE OH MY GOSH, THAT'S A 24, 24 7, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JOB.
AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, I BELIEVE PROVIDES THAT KIND OF THING.
SO I'M TRYING TO CATEGORIZE THIS IN A MEANS FOR THE, FOR US AS PEOPLE BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT ONLY THE CARE, BUT WE'VE STILL GOT RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR CITIZENS.
FOR HOW MUCH? HOW MUCH? BECAUSE IF ONE PERSON'S OFF, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA FILL THE, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA FILL THE SERVICE.
SO THEN WE WOULD, UH, SO IT, IT COMES AT A COST.
SO THIS WOULD BE WHERE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND, UH, ROSIE, YOU PITCHING IN ON THIS WOULD HAVE TO TELL US WHAT PERCENTAGE WE NEED TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE GOT A BUDGET FOR IT.
AND WE, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT IT.
'CAUSE I MEAN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU LEMME GET TO THIS POINT FIRST, THEN I'LL GET TO THE OTHER ONE.
IF YOU HAD AN EMPLOYEE JUST CALL YOU AND SAY, MR. ROH, I'M CALLING IN BECAUSE I'M JUST HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
YOU INITIAL REACTION PROBABLY BE LIKE, HMM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I NEED YOU TO COME TO WORK.
'CAUSE I GOT, YOU KNOW, THIS GOING ON.
I GOT THIS STAFF SHORTAGE, OR I GOT THIS PROJECT, WE GOT THIS GOING ON.
AND, AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T TAKE IT AS SERIOUSLY AS MAYBE WE SHOULD OR COULD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUA WE DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS OF WHAT THAT EMPLOYEE'S GOING THROUGH.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING THIS EMPLOYEE HAVE TO BE OUT AND OUT ON FMLA FOR 12 WEEKS OR OUT ON DISABILITY FOR SOME SIX MONTH PERIOD OR OUT LONGER IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A DAY IF THEY NEED IT TO GET THEMSELVES TOGETHER AND COME BACK TO WORK.
THE GOAL IS TO GET 'EM BACK TO WORK AND PRODUCTIVE AND, AND BE GOOD IN THEIR SPACE AND THEN HAVE A LONG CAREER WITH THE COUNTY.
SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT AS A SHORT MEANS TO GET US TO THE LONG TERM RETENTION.
AND SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE AND PUT IT ON THE TABLE FOR US TO CONSIDER TO UNDERSTAND THAT YORK COUNTY'S NOT IMMUNE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NATION.
AND I JUST WANTED US TO, WELL, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
SO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS IN, AND FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HAD TO DEAL WITH LARGE NUMBER OF FOOT, LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOUR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN'T BE JUST AT THE TOP OF THE
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FOOD STACK AND THEN, AND THEN SAY, OKAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON OR THAT PERSON CAN TAKE A HEALTH DAY OR WE COULD WRITE A POLICY.IT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL.
IT WOULD STILL, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A POLICY.
SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT PARAMETERS AROUND IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE START WITH ONE DAY OR TWO DAYS AND THEN GROW IT, I, WHATEVER, I JUST WANTED US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND KNOW THAT IT'S ON OUR MINDS TO JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GREAT ADDED BENEFIT TO OUR FOLKS THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE HAVING SOME CHALLENGES.
ROSE, I'VE SEEN IT APPLY IN CORPORATE SENSE.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A MENTAL HEALTH PRACTITIONER MADE AVAILABLE.
SO WE OFFER AN EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CURRENTLY THAT WE ADMINISTER FOR THE COUNTY.
SO IF WE'VE GOT FOLKS WHO NEED THAT TYPE OF COUNSELING, THEN WE CAN CONNECT THEM TO EAP.
WE CAN BRING 'EM ON SITE, THEY CAN DO INDIVIDUAL SESSIONS, GROUP SESSIONS.
THEY CAN DO IT VIRTUALLY IF IT'S BETTER FOR THEM.
UM, THEY CAN CONTINUE IN THE PROGRAM.
AND THEN IF THEY NEED MORE COUNSELING BEYOND THAT, THEY CAN BE REFERRED THROUGH THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.
I'M LOOKING AT DO WE MAKE IT A STIPULATION OF THE DOUBT? THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
THOSE ARE ALL, IF YOU TRULY NEED A BIT OF HELP UPDATE, THEN I WANT YOU TO SURE.
WE CAN FOLD THAT INTO THE PROGRAM.
LIKE MAYBE IT COMES WITH ANY EAP REFERRAL.
WELL, AND AND, AND TO THAT, I WAS THINKING ALONG THE SAME, SAME LINES.
SO YOU MAY NEED SOME SOMEBODY TO LISTEN, HERE'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE? MM-HMM.
BUT I, I WILL SAY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MENTAL HEALTH DAY RELATED TO THE STATISTICS YOU SAID AND THE, AND THE MENTAL HEALTH DAY TO GO.
I SPENT 12 HOURS YESTERDAY WORKING ON A SEVEN ONE PROBLEM.
I CAME HOME TO A SIX SICK CHILD AND I JUST CAN'T PULL IT TOGETHER ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE NEXT DAY AND BE, BE PRODUCTIVE.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
PROBABLY DON'T NEED THAT TYPE OF INTERVENTION.
BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY TIMES WHEN YOU WOULD'VE NEED SOMEBODY TO DO, LIKE YOU SAID, TO ADDRESS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING ON THE STATISTICS.
BUT I WANNA STEP IN WHEN SOMEBODY'S, UH, PRE SUICIDAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN INCORPORATE AN EP REFERRAL LEVEL AT AN INFORMAL LEVEL.
WE CAN DO IT AT A FORMAL LEVEL DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON.
WE, WE, WE DON'T WANNA MISS PEOPLE WHO REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLING AND NEED THAT MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
SO YEAH, WE NEED TO GET, I THINK THIS, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME THOUGHT.
THERE'S THIS STRUCTURE OF THIS, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMED, AT LEAST WHEN I WAS GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, THERE SEEMED TO BE AN, A STIGMA ATTACHED, ESPECIALLY BEING IN THE MILITARY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MILITARY, WELL YOU HAD TO CLAIM A MILITARY, YOU HAD TO CLAIM A, A HEALTH DAY FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL THINGS AS A PILOT.
GUESS WHAT? YOU WEREN'T FLYING AIRPLANES PROBABLY EVER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MS. SHIVA, WE DON'T CALL IT A, THAT'S WHY IN QUOTES, I CALL IT A WELLNESS DAY, NOT A MENTAL HEALTH DAY.
SO, I MEAN, THIS IS, WE THIS NEEDS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE THINGS FOR CONSIDERATION THAT, THAT ONE OF THESE ARE NOT FREE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC, NOT FREE TO, TO US.
UH, THERE'S A SERVICE, WE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THIS SERVICE TO THAT SERVICE, THEREFORE WE HAVE TO GO EITHER GO BUY MORE CREWS, MORE, MORE EXPERTS IN A CERTAIN FIELD, ENGINEERING, WHATEVER TO, TO COVER THIS.
BUT WE STILL GOTTA BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THROUGH THE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, IN MY TIME HERE, THESE THINGS EXIST.
IT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
SO, SO ON THAT, IS IT GOING TO BE COUNTYWIDE? SO LIKE ANYBODY, ANY EMPLOYEE CAN USE IT, WHETHER THEY OFFICIALLY HAVE SOME MENTAL INCAPACITATION OR THEY STRUGGLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.
SO, AND, AND IF I CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL YOU NOBODY'S GONNA ABUSE IT.
I CAN'T POSSIBLY SIT HERE AND TELL, I CAN'T POSSIBLY SIT HERE AND TELL YOU NOBODY ABUSES OUR LEAVE POLICIES OR FMLA.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE LAW ALLOWS IT, THE EXTENT THAT THE POLICY ALLOWS IT, IT CAN'T DIMINISH THE GREATER BENEFIT THAT IT OFFERS TO THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS.
AND SO, UM, I, I REALIZE AND RECOGNIZE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A REASON TO NOT OFFER TO THE BREAST.
SO, TO, TO ADD ON TO THAT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS COMMON PRACTICE FOR OUR SUPERVISORS TO ASK FOR DOCTOR'S NOTES FOR THE REGULAR
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ILLNESSES THEY HAVE.SO TO THINK THAT WE MIGHT ASK FOR THE SAME THING AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THEY'D BE USED TO AND THEY'VE HEARD BEFORE.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A GREAT SHOCK.
SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE SOME OF THAT ABUSE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND IT ALSO GOES BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT KNOWING YOUR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, IF BOB NEVER CALLS IN SICK AND YOU SAY, AND HE CALLS UP AND GOES, I, I I NEED, I NEED A COUPLE HOURS BEFORE I COME IN.
SO HE MUST BE REALLY, HE MUST REALLY BE HURTING YES.
VERSUS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO I COULD SPEND THE REST OF THE EVENING TELLING YOU STORIES ABOUT STAFF THAT HAVE HAD THESE ISSUES.
WHETHER WE'VE CALLED FOR WELLNESS CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVEN'T HARMED THEMSELVES.
SEVERE DEPRESSION, SUBSTANCE ABUSE, ALL OF IT.
AND WE HEAR ABOUT IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
ROSE AND I MEET WEEKLY AND THAT IS OFTEN ONE OF THE TOPICS OF CONVERSATION WE HAVE IS, UH, THIS PERSON IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PERSON THAT'S DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE AND, UH, RARELY DOES A WEEK GO BY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AT LEAST ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT WE WORRY ABOUT.
AND AS YOU SAY TO, WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THE STAFF AND WE DO TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THIS IS HAPPENING.
I DO KNOW THAT THE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT CAME TO WORK ONE DAY WITH BLOODSHOT EYES.
TURNS OUT HE WAS SO STRESSED OUT, HIS BLOOD PRESSURE WAS THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE SENT HIM OFF TO THE DOCTOR TO FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S GOT A LITTLE STRESS ISSUE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S JUST, BUT THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST JOB IS PERSONNEL, RIGHT? YES.
IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER.
WE JUST WANTED TO FLOAT THIS OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT YOU ALL MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT OR HOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW IT MIGHT BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOU, YOU THINKING.
HAVE YOU TALKED WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ON THIS SUBJECT? NO, SIR.
THEY HAVE THIS IN PLACE, SO YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR PARAMETERS ARE AND HOW THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED IT.
AND WE'LL ALSO, THERE ARE A COUPLE LOCALITIES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THROUGH OUR CONSULTANTS THAT ALSO HAVE IMPLEMENTED WELLNESS DAYS THAT WE WILL TAP INTO.
WE JUST DIDN'T DIVE DEEP INTO IT UNTIL WE KIND OF SAW WHAT YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEA.
DID HAVE CONSULTANTS ON, ON CALLS IF IT'S NEEDED.
DO OUR SUPERVISORS HAVE, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO KIND OF GIVE A PERSON TO SAY, HEY, GO HOME OR TAKE IT EASY OR GO REST, PUT YOUR FEET UP, OR TAKE HALF A DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN WE DO, DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? I HOPE SO.
WITHOUT, WITHOUT, I HOPE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DO.
WITHOUT TAPPING ON TO THEIR, TO THE PERSONAL LEAVE ISSUES AND STUFF.
WELL, ROSE, YOU'RE THE HR PROFESSIONAL AND WE LOOK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A COMMENT OR A SUBJECT YOU'RE PASSIONATE ON.
WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL OUR COUNTY IS, ONE EMPLOYEE WOULD BE TOO MANY IF WE LOST ONE.
AND THAT WOULD JUST BE DEVASTATING.
SO I DON'T WANT US TO BE AFTER THE FACT.
OH, WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, OUR JOB IS TO ALSO HAVE FORESIGHT AND, UM, I'VE SEEN ENOUGH OF IT TO, TO MAKE IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT MARK AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS, SO WE WANTED TO BREAK UP.
THE LAST THING IS JUST SOME NEW PROGRAMS THAT THE NEW COUNTY MINISTRY IS GONNA ENGAGE WITH EMPLOYEES ON.
AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS ABOUT SOME WALK AND TALKS OR SOME HEALTHY SNAPCHATS AND COMING OUT TO DEPARTMENTS AND BRINGING SOME HEALTHY WELLNESS TYPE THINGS AND JUST CHATTING IT UP AND CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE AND FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE PULSE, WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW THEY'RE DOING, WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT THEY SEE.
UM, IT'LL HELP THE ENGAGEMENT.
AND SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS THAT MARK AND I HAVE ALSO CHATTED ABOUT, BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU GUYS FOR WELLNESS.
I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY TAPPED.
Y'ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING ALL THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, ALRIGHT, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, PEOPLE STRETCH THEIR LEGS AND SO FORTH.
WE, WE GET INTO THE NEXT ROUND.
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ALRIGHT FOLKS, WE'RE BACK TOGETHER.LET'S GET THIS, THIS, UH, MEETING BACK ON TRACK SO WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO TO IT.
THESE, UH, THIS NEXT SEGMENT OF PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE TWO, THESE ARE, UH, FOLLOW ONS FROM PREVIOUS ITEMS THAT
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WE'VE DISCUSSED.UH, IN OTHER MEETINGS WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THE SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, LORI HALPER, THE WASTE SERVICES MANAGER AND SCOTT ASHWORTH WITH TONIGHT WHO IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
SO SCOTT AND LORI, IF YOU COULD BEGIN.
ALRIGHT, CHAIRMAN ROW BOARD MEMBERS.
GOOD EVENING, EVENING, EVENING.
SO WE'RE BACK TONIGHT BECAUSE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, CAME UP, AROSE IN THE LAST MEETING.
SO OUR GOAL TONIGHT IS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE? WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS TO MAKE THIS FUND, UH, SELF-SUSTAINING AND OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF I FORGET ONE OF THOSE THINGS, Y'ALL REMIND ME.
SO LET'S, UH, JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT.
UH, THE SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND IS A BUDGET OF 7.6 MILLION.
SO THE LARGEST PART OF THAT IS OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
THEN WE HAVE PERSONNEL, WHICH THAT'S GONNA BE THE GUYS WHO DRIVE THE KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS AND UH, UH, LEAF COLLECTION TRUCKS.
UH, SECTION OF THAT WOULD BE THINGS LIKE THE MAINTENANCE ON THE KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS.
PROBABLY THE LARGEST PART OF THAT CONTRACTUAL IS VSA AND, UM, CONTRACTUAL IS VS.
SO WE WERE ASKED LAST TIME ABOUT THE COST DRIVERS.
UM, SO CONTRACTUAL EXPENSES ARE 81% OF THIS BUDGET AND THOSE CONTRACTUAL EXPENSES ARE THE CURBSIDE REFUSE COLLECTIONS.
SO I'LL LEAVE THIS UP HERE AND LET Y'ALL JUST KIND OF LOOK AT THIS FOR A SECOND.
THAT'S OUR CONTRACTUAL EXPENDITURES PORTION OF THE BUDGET.
WE'VE KIND OF BROKEN THAT OUT, UM, FOR YOU TO LOOK AT SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT IS, UH, WHAT PART EACH, SO VSA IS OUR ONLY VENDOR THAT WE CONTRACT WITH.
VSA VSA MANAGES AND DOES THE, THE, WHAT WOULD I SAY? THE LEGWORK, THE BIDDING OUT OF THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING.
AND THEN THE COMPOSTING IS PART OF VSA AND THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTIONS.
THE, NOW WE DO OUR OWN CONTRACT WITH THE CURBSIDE TRASH.
CURBSIDE GARBAGE AND THE, THE TRANSFER STATION HAULING IN.
WHAT'S THE, THE OTHER 19% OF THAT WAS ON THAT FIRST SLIDE.
THAT'S THE PERSONNEL AND THEN THERE WAS A FEW NON-PERSONNEL.
SO IT'S THE, IT'S THE PEOPLE AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT.
I CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE EXAM.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
SO LIKE, SO CURBSIDE REFUSE PICKUP.
WE, WE, WE CHARGE THE FEE FOR THAT RECYCLING, WE CHARGE THE FEE FOR THAT.
IDEALLY THE FEE BALANCES OUT THESE COSTS HERE.
I IDEALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
HOW DO, HOW IS THAT FUNDED? THAT IS A, IT'S ALL REPUBLIC SERVICES ALL TRASH, BUT THEY HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE, YOU'VE SEEN THE LUCKY DOG TRUCKS? MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S STILL IN OUR, OUR MAIN, OUR OUR BILL, ALL THAT COVERS IS IN OUR BILL.
TRANSFER STATION, WASTE, WASTE, THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE HE ASKED WHERE, WHERE IS IT BEING, HOW IS IT BEING FUNDED? IT'S ALL BEING PAID FOR BY OUR BILL.
WELL, I MEAN WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LINE ANIMAL ENFORCE JUST WANT FOR RECYCLING.
WE HAVE LINE, PEOPLE JUST WANT THAT.
BUT WE ALSO, THE, THE, THE SOLID WASTE FEE ALSO PAYS THE TRANSFER STATION COLLECTING ALL.
THREE, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST.
UM, THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS THE COUNTY TO OPERATE IN THE COMPOSTING.
IT'S OUR PORTION OF, OF OPERATING THE COMPOST FACILITY.
WAIT, THE CITY A MINUTE, CITY OF HAMPTON ALSO PAYS INTO IT.
UM, AND THE CITY OF POCO ALSO PAYS INTO THE COMPOST, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COST.
AND THE COUNTY COST AND THE TAX PAY OR PEOPLE PAY INTO THE, INTO THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? WELL, IT DOESN'T, ZERO THOUSAND DOLLARS COMES OUT OF THE SOLID WASTE FUND FUND.
SO THE 20, THE, THE, THE WHAT PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR, TO GET CURBSIDE GARBAGE AND CURBSIDE RECYCLING PAYS FOR
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ALL OF THESE THINGS.RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS WHY IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
BUT WITH THE COMPOSTING, THEY, THEY, THEY SELL MULCH, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE WRITE A CHECK FOR THAT WHEN THEY GO PICK UP A YARD OF MULCH.
BUT WE ALLOW THEM TO TAKE MATERIAL THERE FOR FREE.
THAT'S A SERVICE THAT, THAT WE PROVIDE AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND CHARGE FOR IT.
UM, WHAT DO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHICH WOULD REDUCE THAT? YOU PAY FOR THAT.
THAT MEANS IF, IF, IF I BRING ANY COUNTY RESIDENT WANTS TO CLEAN UP TREES IN THEIR YARD RIGHT.
THEY CAN DELIVER IT TO THE VS.
THEN IN TURN, THE VS A COMPOST FACILITY, THEY BILL US $45 A TON FOR WHATEVER YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS DROP OFF FOR GRINDING AND, AND FOR GRINDING AND PROCESSING.
BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY TO, TO PROCESS THE MATERIAL.
BUT THEN, THEN, AND THEN THEY'RE TURN AROUND AND CHARGING PEOPLE TO TAKE IT BACK OUT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY, THEY, AFTER IT'S BEEN PROCESSED.
SO I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT BALANCING OUT OR ARE THEY, ARE THEY COMING AHEAD ON THAT OR? WE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY OFF OF IT.
UM, AND THEY HAVE GOALS, YOU KNOW, SALES GOALS FOR EACH YEAR AND THEY MEET OR COME CLOSE TO MEETING THEIR SALES GOALS.
BUT THAT'S HOW BIPSA PAYS THEIR BILLS.
BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT A PROFIT ORGANIZATION.
SO HOW DO WE, SO WHEN, SO RESIDENT CALLS UP, 'CAUSE HE'S, THEY'VE HAD A TREE CUT DOWN OR FALL DOWN, WHATEVER, AND THEY PILE IT ALL UP AND SAY YOU, YOU KNOW, COME PICK IT UP.
SO WE GOT A BOOM TRUCK THAT COMES AND PICKS IT UP.
THEY'RE LOADING THAT STUFF UP AND THEY'RE HAULING IT IN THERE TO GET, AND THE RESIDENT PAYS FOR THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THE RESIDENT PAYS $25 FOR THE KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCK UP TO A WHOLE TRUCKLOAD.
SO WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THERE AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I TAKE MY YARD WORK, UH, STUFF UP THERE ALL THE TIME.
RIGHT? THEY HAVE A SO HOW DO THEY, HOW DO THEY FIGURE OUT? THEY HAVE A METHOD THAT THEY, UM, USE BY VOLUME.
THEY KNOW WHAT A, A TRUCK LOAD, WAZE TYPICALLY.
AND THEY HAVE A SYSTEM OF, OF WA THAT'S WHY THEY CHECK YOU WHEN YOU COME BACK THERE AT THE, BEFORE YOU DROP YOUR MATERIAL OFF.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS CHECKING YOUR, UM, CHECKING YOUR LOAD.
IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE TRUCK YOU BRING IT IN.
UM, ONCE IT GETS TO BE A CERTAIN COMMERCIAL FOLKS, THEY HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE SCALES.
BUT MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL TYPE, UM, PEOPLE THAT DELIVER MATERIAL THERE, THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, THEY HAVE A METHOD OF GOING BY VOLUME.
YOU EVER SEE THAT? THEY NEVER SEEN ME.
THEY NEVER SEEN ME PACK, PACK A PICKUP UP FOR.
YEAH, BUT THEY CHARGING BY A TON TOO, SO THEY CAN TELL A HALF TON DRUG, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEY'VE GOT A, THEY ALSO GOT THAT BIG PLATFORM.
REMEMBER THEY USED TO DRIVE THE BIG KIND OF SEMIS TO COME THROUGH THERE AND THEY COULD LOOK DOWN AND SEE WHETHER IT'S HALF LOADED, THREE QUARTERS LOADED.
AND THEY, ESPECIALLY DURING STORMS WHEN WE HAVE BIG HURRICANES COME THROUGH HERE.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SLIDE? OR WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL SERVICES VERSUS SAVINGS.
SO ONE OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT IN THE LAST MEETING, AND SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR CURBSIDE VENDORS AND ASKED ABOUT RENEGOTIATING THE RATES.
WE HAVE ASKED ABOUT REDUCING THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, THE ONCE PER MONTH, UM, ALSO TO REDUCE MATERIALS.
ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE MET WITH UNFAVORABLE RESPONSES.
I THINK THAT'S A NICE WAY OF PUTTING IT, BUT SHOCKING.
I, I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE WE DID GET SOME, WELL, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME THINGS, MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS IN THE FUTURE.
MAYBE WE COULD DO, THERE WERE SOME IDEAS THAT WERE OUT.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE PUSHBACK ON CURBSIDE RECYCLING? YOU ONLY DO IT EVERY OTHER WEEK NOW, SO IT'S ONLY SO WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
PILE IT UP MY GARAGE, RIGHT? I CAN GET SPOIL IN TWO WEEKS.
UM, OUR NOT CONSUMING SO MUCH.
OUR CURBSIDE RECYCLING BENDER IS THERE, IS THAT, I'M TRYING TO DO MY PART.
OUR CURBSIDE RECYCLING VENDOR IS THE, UH, ONLY GAME IN TOWN.
UM, SO WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER AVENUES.
WE HAVE OTHER, UH, VENDORS WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE IN THE AREA, BUT WHERE'S THE EDA WHEN YOU NEED 'EM? BUT THEY DON'T, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANYBODY'S SEEN THEM.
DON'T HAVE THE COMPETITION RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO FIND ANOTHER THAT TAG WATER FIBER IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPETE FIBER? YES.
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YES, SIR.NEED SOME COMPETITION? YES, WE DEFINITELY DO.
SO THE, WE DID, UM, THESE ARE SOME OPTIONS.
I WANNA GIVE Y'ALL SOME OPTIONS TONIGHT, UH, TO THINK ABOUT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, AT THE END.
SO WE COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTIONS.
THE TOTAL PART OF THAT BUDGET IS $130,000.
IT'S REALLY A DROP IN THE BUCKET OF A SEVEN, $7 MILLION BUDGET.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN MAKING THIS, UH, THE ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH IS THE GOAL TO MAKE THE ENTERPRISE FUND SELF-SUSTAINING, SUSTAIN.
UM, WE HAVE DISCOUNTED RATES, UH, FOR SENIORS THAT EQUATES TO ABOUT $120,000 ANNUALLY.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
EVEN TOGETHER, THOSE TWO THINGS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REMOVING SOME SERVICES FOR NOT REALLY ANY SAVINGS.
SO I JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT, UM, OPTIONS NOW, WE COULD CONTINUE WITH GENERAL FUND SUPPORT, UM, WHICH TECHNICALLY THAT'S NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND ANYMORE, BUT WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, AND I BELIEVE WE BROUGHT THAT UP IN THE LAST MEETING.
YOU COULD LEAVE THE RATES THE SAME AND CONTINUE WITH SOME GENERAL FUND SUPPORT.
ANOTHER OPTION, THE FUTURE OF CURBSIDE RECYCLING.
THAT'S $1.7 MILLION OF THE CONTRACTUAL BUDGET.
THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IF YOU DID AWAY WITH THAT SERVICE.
THE FUND WOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING FOR THREE YEARS AT THE CURRENT RATES.
BUT YOU'RE GETTING, YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THAT SERVICE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, GO BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE GLASS AND PLASTICS.
SO YOU, YOU GLOSSED OVER THAT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHAT WE DID WAS ASK CAN WE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, TO, UM, DO SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF COLLECTIONS AND DO SOME PICK UP DIFFERENT THINGS AND NO, THEY JUST TOLD US NO, BUT THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO, BUT THEY'RE NOT RECYCLING IT TO LOOK AT THAT.
BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, I THINK IT WAS, UM, NUMBER ONE PLASTIC, NUMBER ONE PLASTIC AND PLASTIC BAGS.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A WASTE OF, UH, MONEY.
I MEAN, I, I HATE TO BE THIS MERCENARY ON THIS, BUT IT'S A WASTE.
YOU ARE BEING MERCENARY ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY IF THEY'RE GONNA, WE ARE PAYING SOMEBODY TO DROP IT IN THE LANDFILL FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS A TON WHEN WE'RE HAVING IT PICKED UP ALREADY AT $35 A TON.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY WANTS TO RECYCLE.
WE DON'T WANNA FILL UP THE LANDFILLS, BUT YOU GOTTA DO IT SMARTER THAN WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
IT MAKES NO, WHAT'S THE OPTION? THE LANDFILL GARBAGE, FILLING UP, UP THE LANDFILL, PUT LANDFILL, BUILDING MORE LANDFILLS.
IF THERE'S NOT A MARKET FOR IT, THERE'S NOT A MARKET FOR IT.
YOU'RE TO SHOEHORN SOMETHING INTO A, A POSITION WHERE IT DOESN'T WORK IF TO MAKE IT, IT'S JUST A FEEL GOOD EFFORT.
IT'S AN ADVERTISED FEEL GOOD EFFORT.
I'M JUST, I'M, I'M TIRED OF THAT.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WE'RE THROWING AWAY.
IT'S GOING TO THE LANDFILL ANYWAY.
WE'RE JUST PAYING MORE FOR IT TO GO, GO INTO THE LANDFILL.
NOW, IF THEY DID CARDBOARD, SAY, OKAY, TAKE CARDBOARD.
UM, THAT MEAN THAT WOULD, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE ONE THING THEY RECYCLE.
AND ALUMINUM AND ALUMINUM, A MCCAN STEEL CANS.
SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THEY'RE VERY LIMITED ON THAT AND THEY JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT.
WELL, OKAY, YOU MIGHT END UP LOSING THE, THE WHOLE THING.
THIS IS WHERE ALL THE MATERIAL GETS SENT.
FEBRUARY 24 REPORT, CAN I SHOW LORI'S GOT SOME REPORTING ON WHERE, WHERE THIS MATERIAL IS GOING.
AND SO ACCORDING TO THE, OUR, WE GET A MARKETING REPORT MONTHLY WITH OUR CURBSIDE REPORT.
AND THE LATEST REPORT I GOT SAID THAT, UM, THEY SENT OUT POINT 42% OF COLORED PLASTIC CONTAINERS.
THEY RECYCLED CLEAR PLASTIC CONTAINERS.
IT LOOKS LIKE HERE THEY SOLD SOME GLASS ALSO STEEL CANS, PETE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE PLASTIC BEVERAGE BO BEVERAGE BOTTLES, UH, CARDBOARD PAPER AND ALUMINUM CANS.
BUT MOST ITEMS THAT PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR
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CONTAINERS, IF IT'S ACCEPTED IN THE PROGRAM, IT GETS RECYCLED.WHAT THE ITEMS THAT DON'T GET RECYCLED ARE WHAT WE CALL THE CONTAMINATION, THE THINGS THAT AREN'T ACCEPTED IN THE PROGRAM.
BUT THEY SEND US A REPORT EVERY MONTH THAT SAYS THAT THESE MATERIALS ARE IN FACT BEING SENT OUT, SHIPPED OUT TO BE PROCESSED INTO NEW MATERIAL.
SO, LORI, WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY.
BUT WE WENT, THREE OF US WENT DOWN THERE, ALL RIGHT.
WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS ANYWAY.
AND, UH, AND I ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GLASS.
THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR GLASS.
THIS IS THE GUY THAT, THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY.
AND THIS IS THE, THE, THE PERSON, THE COMPANY'S PROVIDING ALL THE SERVICE ACROSS THE PENINSULA.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S JUST, THEY, WHAT? THEY TAKE THE GLASS, ALL THEY DO IS CRUSH IT.
ALRIGHT? AND THEN THEY TAKE IT TO PILE ON TOP OF THE TRASH IN THE LANDFILL.
I'M NOT GONNA THROW BOTTLES IF WE'RE PAINTED BY A TON.
WHAT'S HEAVIER PAPER, PLASTIC OR GLASS? IT'S GONNA BE GLASS.
SO I'M NOT THROWING GLASS INTO THE RECYCLE BIN ANYMORE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE GLASS.
AND NOW THE PLASTICS, YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF IMPLIED THAT THERE WAS ONLY REALLY ONE PLASTIC THEY WERE GONNA, THEY GONNA RECYCLE THE REST OF THEM.
SO, AND, AND THE ALUMINUM CANS AND, AND THE ALUMINUM CANS.
AND, UH, THEY'RE USING THAT WHAT A RARE EARTH MAGNET FOR THAT.
AND THEY'RE USING THE REGULAR MAGNET FOR STEEL CANS.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY, THEY TURN THOSE REALLY QUICK AS NOTHING'S CHANGED OVER ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING IS THEY GET A CAN BACK IN THE, I THINK A CAN GETS BACK ON THE SHELF IN ABOUT 60 TO 90 DAYS.
OR A, UH, ALUMINUM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT STEEL.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOKING AT A GUY HERE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO RECYCLE EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT, EVEN THE BANANA PEELINGS.
OKAY, BABY DIAPERS, THAT'S GARBAGE.
BUT THERE IS NO MARKET FOR IT.
AND SO I'M GETTING REAL FRUSTRATED WITH US TRYING TO SAVE MONEY AND YET DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MAKING A LOT OF SENSE.
SO THAT BULLET POINT SAYS, TAKE A CLASS AND MAKES PLASTIC.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THEY, THEY SAID WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THEY ASKED? WELL, WE JUST ASKED, WERE WERE THEY ABLE TO DO SOME REDUCE THE MONEY? YEAH, WE YEAH.
ASKING FOR SOME REDUCTIONS AND SOME CHARGES.
IF WE JUST, IF WE LIMITED SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE COLLECTED, WELL MEAN, WE, WE DON'T NEED THEIR PERMISSION TO LIMIT THE MATERIALS WE'RE COLLECTING.
WE CAN JUST, YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE THE SAME AMOUNT, BUT FOR CONTRACT, THEY, YEAH.
BUT IF, BUT IF WE'RE NOT PUTTING GLASS IN THOSE CONTAINERS, WE'RE SAVING MONEY ON WEIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TRUE, HOW THAT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THIS COULD BE AN ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN TO OUR, OUR, OUR CURBSIDE RECYCLING CUSTOMERS TO SAY, LISTEN, LIMIT YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO ALUMINUM STEEL CANS.
WHAT ABOUT NEWSPAPER PAPER? THAT RECYCLED PAPER.
PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES, BASICALLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL YOU PUT IN, IN, IN YOUR RECYCLING.
AND WE CUT DOWN ALL THAT WEIGHT IN, IN GLASS.
THAT DOESN'T, THAT, THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES TO REGULAR LAND FOR LIKE, LIKE IT SHOULD.
AND WE CAN DO AN ADVERTISING BLITZ.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET, UH, SOMEBODY, UH, RECOMMEND IT, UM, CREATE A QR CODE, PUT IT ON TOP OF ALL THE, ALL THE RECYCLING BINS FROM PEOPLE SO THEY CAN SCAN IT REAL QUICK TO SEE WHAT, WHAT'S USABLE.
AND THEN, AND JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW WE EDUCATE PEOPLE.
THEN THE GLASS DOESN'T GO IN THERE, THERE.
I THINK THIS, THIS WEIGHT THING THAT THEY'RE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE SIGN A, WE, WE SIGN A CONTRACT THROUGH VSA.
IT'S A CONTRACT THAT'S A FIXED NUMBER.
THEY DON'T GO OUT THERE AND WEIGH EVERY TRUCK FOR JUST THIS FIXED NUMBER.
IF THEY LOSE MONEY ON IT, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY ON IT.
NOW THEY HAVE COME BACK TO US.
THEY THINK THERE WAS COUNTY WASTE, OR ONE OF 'EM CAME BACK WHEN HE STARTED SCREWING AROUND WITH A LOW BID AND, AND NEEDED MORE MONEY.
BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT WE COULD SAVE, WE COULD START TODAY.
EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY COULD START THROWING THEIR BOTTLES INTO THE TRASH.
THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE THE COST RIGHT NOW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER THIS FIXED CONTRACT.
THEY DON'T WEIGH THE TRUCKS LIKE WE LIKE, THEY LIKE YOU MIGHT THINK THEY'RE DOING.
SO ANYWAY, SO A COUPLE THINGS.
SO LAURA HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE, YOU WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE WEIGHT.
IF WE DID TAKE GLASS OUT, THEN WE WOULD SAVE ON THE PROCESSING SIDE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE LESS WEIGHT TO PROCESS.
SO THE $90 A TON TO PROCESS WOULD GO DOWN.
SO WE WOULD SAVE OR WHERE DO THEY WEIGH IT? WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE WEIGH IN THIS STUFF.
THEY WEIGH AT AT THEIR FACILITY.
I'M GOING UP ON A WEIGHT SCALE.
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OUT? I SAW A SECTION OR THE PILE? NO, THERE THE WEIGHT SCALES WERE ON THE PAVEMENT OUTSIDE.WE WALKED AROUND IT, REMEMBER WE WALKED AROUND IT.
AND, AND MR. ROW, TO YOUR POINT, UM, ASK HEATHER TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM HERE.
AND SHE'S, SHE'S BEEN DOING SOME, UH, PUBLIC SERVICE WORK ON THAT ITEM VERY SPECIFICALLY.
SO I WANT HER TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT, WHAT SHE'S DOING.
SO SINCE OUR LAST WORK SESSION IN WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLING FEES, OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS STAFF HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT WITH THE HELP OF DPW.
UM, WE'VE BEEN UPDATING OUR RECYCLING VIDEOS, SHARING THAT TO ALL OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH NEWS RELEASES, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH OUR INSTAGRAM NEW PAGE AND ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
IT IS ALSO PREVALENTLY SHOWN ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTING THAT WHAT CAN BE RECYCLED, WHAT CAN'T BE RECYCLED GOOD.
HOW IT BENEFITS THE COUNTY THROUGH TRUCKS, BENCHES, THROUGH PLASTIC BAGS, AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AT OUR LIBRARIES.
SO WE HAVE BEEN EDUCATING THE PUBLIC TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY ON WHAT IS ALLOWED IN OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM.
SO IT'S EARLY, BUT ANY, ANY, ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT? ANY SHE WOULDN'T KNOW, ANY WEIGHT MIGHT KNOW? LET'S SEE.
IT IS EARLY AND, UM, THROUGH OUR EFFORTS WITH H-R-P-D-C, THEY, UM, H-R-P-D-C IS ALSO WORKING ON A VERY LARGE REGIONAL PROJECT THAT'S HAND IN HAND WITH WHAT PUBLIC AFFAIRS HAS BEEN DOING.
UM, TO WORK WITH ALL OF OUR LOCAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS DEPARTMENTS TO GET THIS, UM, RECYCLE RIGHT IS THE ACTUAL NAME OF THE CAMPAIGN.
SO THE RECYCLE RIGHT MESSAGING OUT WHICH, UM, PUBLIC AFFAIRS HAS BEEN JOINING A GREAT JOB.
YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS WHERE THE MESSAGE STARTS TO FADE BECAUSE THEY SEE IT SO OFTEN.
THAT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY IS THE CHALLENGE.
AND THE PRACTICAL EXAMPLE IS WHEN WE OPENED A SPORTS COMPLEX, WE HAD TRASH CANS AND RECYCLE CANS.
THAT RECYCLING PROGRAM NEVER GOT OFF THE GROUND.
WE COULD NEVER GET PEOPLE TO NOT CONTAMINATE THE RECYCLING.
WE WERE THROWING RECYCLING WEIGHT EVERY TIME.
AND IF, IF THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, TO ELIMINATE THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING, WE WOULD STILL HAVE A, THE DROP OFF CENTER HERE.
AS WELL AS, I MEAN, THERE WOULD BE OTHER, I'VE SEEN, UH, ESTIMATES WHERE WE COULD BUILD OTHERS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, IT REALLY IS NOT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT GOT MAYBE A PICKUP TRUCK, PICKUP TRUCK FULL OF CARDBOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT YOU, THE, THE TAKE, WE'VE GOT 24,000 HOUSES AND THINKING IF WE GOT ONE THIRD OF 'EM COMING IN THERE, DROPPING STUFF OFF, THAT WOULD BE A LOAD.
AND, UH, SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT, TO ME, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO STOP RECYCLING, BUT I MEAN, I'VE, I'M READY TO POINT TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S HAVE A NO GLASS MONTH OR SOMETHING JUST TO, ANYTHING THAT'LL REDUCE THE COST TO MAKE SENSE.
BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW JUST THROWING GLASS IN THERE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE ABLE TO REDUCE THE COST, THEN TAKE IT ON.
IF YOU
SO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA PAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? NO.
NO, BECAUSE BY GARBAGE BASE IT'S ONLY 30, 35.
IT'S GOING BY WEIGHT FROM THE RECYCLE PLACE.
AND YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING $45 PER RECYCLING.
SO IT, SO THE PROGRAM WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH HERE AND, AND WHAT TO SETTLE INTO EVERYTHING IS THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH SOME NEW RATES OKAY.
THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN IN SIX YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS, 20, 19.
I MEAN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BITE THIS FOR ANOTHER FOUR, FOUR YEARS OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA GET ON THE CYCLE FOR.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T LIKE SUPPLEMENTING IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, USING THESE SERVICES AS A CHOICE IS SO YOU'RE PAYING PER USAGE.
WHEREAS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE, UH, GENERAL FUND, YOU'RE PULLING TAX DOLLARS OUT.
EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTES TO THAT, WHETHER THEY WANT TO USE ANY OF THESE SERVICES OR NOT.
SO I THINK IT'S BETTER TO GET THE PRICE POINT RIGHT.
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AND NOT ROB FROM GENERAL FUND TO, TO DO THAT.WELL, WE'RE DOING IT ON GENERAL FUND NOW ON NEWPORT NEWS.
UH, CHESAPEAKE DOESN'T DO RECYCLING, BUT CHESAPEAKE'S MANDATORY ON TRASH.
AND THAT COMES OUT THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT THEY'RE DOING TRASH OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND FUND.
THEY'RE DOING TRASH OUT GENERAL FUND.
THE RATES WE'RE PROPOSING, WHILE LORI'S LOOKING THAT UP, WE HAVE A SHEET HERE OF WHAT ALL THE OTHER LOCALITIES ARE CHARGING.
WE'RE CHE LOWER THAN SOME, BUT WE'RE NOT HIGHER CHESAPEAKE AND CHEE BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, SUFFOLK CHARGES 25 25 A MONTH.
THE MOST AVAILABLE OR THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT I HAVE, CITY OF HAMPTON CHARGES 56 33 A MONTH.
IF YOU DON'T RECYCLE, THEY CHARGE 31 42 A MONTH.
AND OUR CURRENT RATE FOR THE, UM, FORGIVE THE TERM, NOT EVERYONE LOVES IT.
BASIC SERVICE IS 24 50 FOR YORK.
EVEN OUR, THE, THE RATES WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE NEXT YEAR ARE IN LINE AND OR LESS.
AND OUR LOCALITY, OUR LA NEIGHBORHOOD LOCALITIES, IS THAT YOUR NEXT RECOMMENDATION? YES.
OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHOW THAT THEN.
SO THIS IS, THESE RATES WILL MAKE THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS SELF-SUFFICIENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
NOW, WE COULD PROBABLY VERY EASILY JUST IMPLEMENT A CPI INCREASE EACH YEAR AFTER THAT BASED ON WHAT THAT, BASED ON WHAT THE CPI IS AND STILL MAINTAIN A, A, UH, SELF-SUSTAINING ENTERPRISE FUND.
SO THAT WOULD BE $360 A YEAR FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, STANDARD RATE CASH AND RECYCLING.
I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT NUMBER.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, EVERYBODY REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING LATER TONIGHT.
YOU OUGHT TO BE
IT'S FOUR 10, ISN'T IT? 12? SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.
THIS IS CONTINUING WITH ALL THE SAME SERVICES THAT THE CITIZENS ENJOY TODAY AT THE, AND IT WOULD JUST BE THIS RATE, AND IT WOULD BE, UM, THE ENTERPRISE FUND WOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
SO TO BORROW MR. KRIEGER'S WORDS YES.
LET LET THE RESIDENTS CHOOSE WHAT THEIR CHECKBOOK, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IT, IT'S UP TO THEM TO DECIDE.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHETHER WE, WHETHER WE BREAK EVEN ON THE COSTS NEXT YEAR.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT, WANT PEOPLE DOING IS THROWING A TRASH IN THE WOODS.
THAT'S WHY WE KEPT OUR RATES WHERE THEY ARE.
CERTAIN PLACES WHERE, UH, WAYNE LIVES, THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO.
I JUST THROW MINE IN MY NEIGHBORS AT NIGHT.
THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE.
UM, WE'LL, WHAT QUESTIONS? WHAT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO ONE QUESTION I HAD THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS, AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE, THE WHERE THE GENERAL FUND WAS COVERING THE, THE, THE GAP.
BUT THERE WAS A ANNUAL AMOUNT THAT WE PAID VSA EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
WAS IS, IS THAT, DOES THAT FIX, DOES THESE NEW RATES FIX THAT OR ARE WE STILL PAYING, PAYING THAT? I, I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A SUBSIDIZING IT OR WHAT? THERE WAS A, UM, SLIDE LAST WORK SESSION THAT SHOWED KINDNESS CONTRIBUTION, I BELIEVE TO VIVS A EVERY YEAR A HUNDRED SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE MONEY THAT WE HAD TO PAY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE OH YEAH.
WE WERE SUBSIDIZING THIS PROGRAM ANYWAY.
BUT GO AHEAD, LORI, DID YOU WANNA SAY, UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND WAS TO PAY FOR A TRUCK.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS TO JUST HELP THE FUND.
IT WASN'T A SPECIFIC VSA EXPENSE.
UM, I MEAN, WE PAY VSA ANNUALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM FOR VARIETY OF THINGS.
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DIDN'T PAY NOTHING FROM THE GENERAL FUND CAME TO PAY ANYTHING TO BIPSA SPECIFICALLY TO HELP THEM OUT.AND OUR CONTRIBUTION TO BIPSA IS ALSO OFFSET BY THE LEASE AGREEMENT WE HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON YORK COUNTY LAND.
SO THAT IS OFFSET SOMEWHAT BY THE, THE, THE LEASE THEY PAY THAT BIPSA PAYS TO THE COUNTY.
SO JUST INCREASE THE LEASE IS WHAT MY
SORRY, YOUR LEASE JUST WENT UP.
WELL, I THINK I, I I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE THEY WANT, WANT TO DO.
AND THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE WITH OR THEY DON'T.
I WILL SAY THE LAST TIME IN, BACK IN 19 WHEN THE RATES INCREASED, WE INCREASED CUSTOMER BASE.
SO RATES INCREASED, BUT WE GOT MORE CON AND I'M DO, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY IT WAS? I I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT.
BUT WE WERE ALL SURPRISED BY THAT.
WE EXPECTED, UH, AN UP TO 10% LOSS, ACTUALLY.
UM, BUT WE GAINED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS UP TO 10%, BUT I COULD GET THAT FOR YOU.
WELL, THERE PROBABLY PEOPLE AWARE.
LIKE, OH, I, OH, I CAN DO RECYCLING.
AND THEN SO THEY JUMPED ON IT BEFORE THEY DIDN'T SEE IT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE RATES THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IT, YOU'RE PROPOSING.
AND I THINK WE GO ALONG WITH THAT AND THEN WE FIND OUT JUST HOW SERIOUS PEOPLE ARE ABOUT IT.
AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK NEXT YEAR WITH THE FIGURES ON WHETHER WE LOST OR WHETHER WE GAINED AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION.
HOW LONG WAS, THIS IS JUST FOR ONE YEAR? THIS IS ONE YEAR WE JUST PROPOSED.
IT'S JUST ONE YEAR THAT WE'RE DOING IT TO SEE, 'CAUSE COVID GOT US, WE COULDN'T SEE COVID COMING.
SO THAT, THAT GOT US WHEN, YOU KNOW, TWO TAKEAWAYS.
WHAT DO WE DO ON GLASS AND PLASTIC? I THINK WE TELL OUR CITIZENS TO STOP RECYCLING THAT.
AND THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO ENCOURAGE A COMPETITOR? AND THAT'S, THAT COULD BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
YEARS AGO, WHAT WE HAD, UM, TFC SHOWED UP AND THEY DID THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COUPONS AND ALL THAT.
AND IT WAS KIND OF A NOVELTY AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO RECYCLE WHEN WE GOT INTO IT.
AND, AND, UH, AND SO WE WERE PAYING, I REMEMBER THE, WE HAD THAT MEETING OVER AT THE BANK AND WE WERE GONNA GO AT A MILLION.
I MEAN, WHAT WAS IT? A MILLION DOLLARS AND NOW WHAT IS IT? 1.7 MILLION TO RECYCLE? YES.
SO, AND IT IS WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DO THIS OR NOT, UM, I THINK WHAT WE, YOU GOTTA GIVE SOME SERIOUS THOUGHT AS TO WHETHER WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO PROGRAM.
BECAUSE WHEN TFC SHOWED UP, NOT TFC, BUT WHEN COUNTY WASTE SHOWED UP, OKAY.
WE WENT FROM A A MILLION IN CHANGE TO ABOUT ING WASTE ONE POINT.
NOW I GOT, I GOT, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION THAT I THINK THAT COUNTY WASTE WAS A LITTLE QUESTIONABLE, BUT THEY DID PICK UP.
THEY, THEY, BUT DID THEY COME BACK AND RENEGOTIATE OR SOMETHING? NO.
THEY TRIED TO GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY WERE LOSING MONEY.
UNTIL WE HELD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE.
AND THEY HAD KIND OF A SHADY HISTORY, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAD SOME COMPETITION.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HURTING HERE.
AND THAT COULD BE, I MEAN THIS ASSUMING WE GET CUT IN HALF, OKAY, THAT'S STILL $500,000.
THAT A HALF A PENNY ON, ON THE TAX RATE.
SO WE'RE ALMOST, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK COMPETITION IS A BIG ONE.
SO AM I HEARING THAT YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE RATES HIT THEIR RECOMMENDATION? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DROPPING RECYCLING PROGRAM.
YOU WANNA GO WITH THE RATES? I DON'T THINK YOU GOT A CHOICE.
YEAH, I, I, I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO PAY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT BASED ON USAGE, PAY, PAY TO PLAY.
AND THAT, THAT WILL, I THINK THIS, AS WE SAID EARLIER, THAT WILL, IT'LL GIVE YOU AN INDICATION WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP THAT'S RIGHT.
IF THEY DON'T, WE'LL FIND AFTER NEXT.
SO, LORI, AFTER THIS IS IMPLEMENTED, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU AND ROB OR SCOTT COME BACK AND GIVE US A SIX MONTH, THAT'S WHAT I SAY, PREVIEW AND TELL US WHAT HAPPENED.
DID DID IT GO UP? DID IT GO DOWN? WHAT'S THE STATE OF THINGS? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION, WHAT TO DO GOING FORWARD KNOWING THAT THIS IS ONLY A ONE YEAR PROGRAM.
WHAT, UM, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS PARTICIPATE IN CURBSIDE RECYCLING NOW, GIVE OR TAKE? 19,000.
WHAT? AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS YOU APPROACH TO SIX MONTHS IS WHAT'S THE BREAKEVEN POINT? IF, WHAT NUMBER DO YOU GET TO LIKE, IT'S JUST NOT VIABLE ANYMORE.
WHAT CITY OF RICHMOND OR OTHER LOCALITIES USE FOR RECYCLE? TFC.
T-C-T-F-C HAS? YES, THEY DO LOCKED UP.
UM, THEY DO, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE CONTRACT
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REGIONALLY.SEE THERE IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THEIR BIPSA.
TFCS GOT THE CORNER ON THE MARKET THERE AS WELL.
THE CLOSEST NON TFC MURS TO US WOULD BE MANASSAS AND GREENSBORO.
AND THEY'RE RUN BY REPUBLIC SERVICES.
THEY'RE RUN BY REPUBLIC SERVICES OR, OR, UH, TRASH.
UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY HURT US WAS A LOT OF THOSE COLLECTION, TRASH COLLECTION, UH, COMPANIES ALL MERGED THAT GOT BOUGHT OUT.
SO THAT'S, IT REALLY HURT THE COMPETITION.
SO IT DOESN'T HELP US COMPETITION BECAUSE THE MARKET'S JUST NOT THERE.
SO IT'S, IT IS HARD TO HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES COMPETING WHEN THE MARKET'S NOT THERE.
I HEAR, I HEAR THAT'S A TOUGH BUSINESS.
THERE'S NOBODY THAT WORKS OUT.
SOMEBODY RETIRE AND DRIVE A TRUCK.
YOU HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY ELSE? I DO.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AT YOUR REQUEST, I'M GONNA ASK RONALD ANDERSON NOT AND KAYLYN TO COME UP.
PLEASE TELL I DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE KINDNESS CONTRIBUTION TO THE RECYCLING.
UM, WE JUST PASSED OUT SOME SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS TO YOU, UM, MAPS AND THE LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME ITEMS IN OUR PRESENTATION, WHICH WE'LL BEGIN NOW.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE REVISITING SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE FEEDBACK YOU GAVE STAFF FOLLOWING YOUR DISCUSSION AT THE MARCH WORK SESSION.
BRIEF UPDATE ON SENATE BILL 5 44.
IT'S THAT ONE THAT'S OUTSTANDING THAT COULD AFFECT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN VIRGINIA.
RICHARD, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK A BIT ON THIS AND WHAT'S STATUS? THE BILL IS STILL PENDING ACTION.
WHAT? BILL IS STILL PENDING ACTION BY THE GOVERNOR.
DETERMINING, SO THIS IS ABOUT REALLY SOMETHING.
WELL, IT'S NOT KNOWN YET WHETHER THE GOVERNOR WILL SIGN THE BILL, VETOED THE BILL WILL MODIFY THE BILL.
SO IS THE DROP DATE, DATE, SO THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION EIGHTH.
WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S ACTION DEADLINE ON THE BILL? NO, SIX DAYS.
IF IT TAKES NO ACTION ON IT BECOMES LAW.
WE AWAIT EAGERLY SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, FEEDBACK ITEMS WE RECEIVED, UM, IN THESE NEXT FEW SLIDES ON THE DECK.
SO ONE, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, WHEN CONSIDERING USE PERMITS FOR TOURIST HOMES AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THAT THERE BE TEXT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER COMMENTS FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS FROM LOOKING AT THESE APPLICATIONS.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT, THIS IS KIND OF INHERENT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS ALREADY, AND THAT THERE'S TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, COMMISSION BOARD AT THAT PUBLIC IS GIVEN TIME TO SPEAK AND MAKE COMMENT AS WELL AS WE TAKE WRITTEN COMMENT THAT WE PASS THE BOARD MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS IF SOMEONE CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE MEETING.
SO SORT OF BUILT INTO THE PROCESS.
BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS TEXT IN THE ORDINANCE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING IT UNDER 24 1 4 0 9 M.
THE REASON WE DO THIS IS BECAUSE IT, THAT IS GOING TO ME, FOR ME, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL PARTS OF THIS WHOLE THING.
AND SO, AND IT GETS, IT GETS KIND OF LIKE IT GLOSSED OVER AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BLOWS UP IN FRONT OF US.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A THING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO ADD THIS IN AS, AS TEXT INTO THE ORDINANCE, UM, IN THE PROPOSED ZONING, TEXT AMENDMENTS OR PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED ONES, WE, WE HAD 24 4 9 M THOSE ARE THOSE COMMISSION AND BOARD CONSIDERATIONS.
AND SO THAT'S JUST A EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WOULD MAYBE WRITE THAT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IN THAT SECTION, WE CAN DO THAT.
HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD THE NEW LAW AFFECT THAT? WELL, SEE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEW LAW IS IF IT IS PASSED, ANY CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE ORDINANCE AFTER DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR COULD CAUSE US PROBLEMS.
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SO IF IT GETS PASSED, I MEAN, AND, AND RICHARD CAN PROBABLY SPEAK ON THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER IF, IF WE MAKE CHANGES AND THEN IT GETS PASSED.WELL, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A VERY TIGHT DEADLINE FOR US TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT NOW, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LAW.
IF IT WAS A SIGNED INTO LAW, THEN THE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE THAT MAYBE WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, MAYBE WE BRING FORTH A POLICY DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE HERE ARE THE POLICIES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL REALLY WANNA LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT TERM RENTALS AND NOT CODIFY IT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF.
BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A POLICY.
AND WHENEVER WE GET SOMEBODY COME IN, WE'D SAY, HERE'S THE BOARD'S POLICY.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT.
JUST LIKE IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE GIVE THEM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT INSTEAD WE WOULD GIVE THEM A POLICY DOCUMENT RATHER THAN, THAT'S IF THE LAW GOES INTO EFFECT AS IF THE LAW GOES.
AND IF THAT WAS A LAWYER, I'D GO, GREAT, HERE'S THE LAW.
SO YOUR POLICY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IF IT DOESN'T APPLY WITH A CODE, STILL WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
EXCEPT FOR IF YOU'RE RENTING A ROOM IN YOUR HOME, IT'S, BUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
RICHARD'S GOT, HAS SAID THAT MAYBE WE COULD, COULD STILL REQUIRE THAT AND WE WOULD JUST WAIT AND SEE KIND OF THING.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR HIM.
IF HE DOESN'T WANNA TALK ALL UNTIL THE FINAL, THEY CAN SPEAK TO IT ALTOGETHER.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, I THINK PRETTY, PRETTY AT LENGTH.
SO, BUT WE CAN PUT, WE CAN PUT THAT THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER COMMENTS FROM, FROM CITIZENS IN THAT SECTION IN MM-HMM.
AND THAT'LL GIVE IT A SOLID PIECE IN THERE.
LET'S, IT SHOULD BE NEIGHBORS.
WE PUT CITIZENS JUST BECAUSE MS. NO, WE PUT CITIZENS JUST BECAUSE IT KIND OF COVERS THE BROAD SPECTRUM OF EVERYBODY WHO MIGHT WANTS TO COME.
IF YOU ONLY WANT TO CONSIDER NEIGHBORS, I MEAN, WE COULD, AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO DESCRIBE WHAT A NEIGHBOR IS.
I GUESS I DIDN'T GET RIGHT NEIGHBOR.
MEAN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN TO ALL PUBLIC, SO, MM-HMM.
UM, ANOTHER SUGGESTION REQUIREMENT WAS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR
SO WE, THAT'S BEEN DONE AS A CONDITION AND USE PERMIT SINCE ABOUT 2021.
UM, AND ACTUALLY IN THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A CONDITION THAT'S BEEN IN EVERY, PRETTY MUCH EVERY T HOME.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 24 1 4 9 THAT'S IN THERE.
THERE IS A SUGGESTION THAT THE ORDINANCE PERHAPS PROHIBITS SIGNAGE FOR TOURIST HOMES, SOME LEGAL TRICKINESS HERE.
UM, I CAN LET RICHARD EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE MORE.
UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR TOURIST HOMES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, WE DO HAVE ONE OPERATING THAT DOES HAVE A SIGN, THE REST OF THEM DON'T.
TYPICALLY WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES FORTH TO THE TOURIST HOME AND THEY BRING YOUR APPLICATION TO US IN THE NARRATIVE, THEY USUALLY VOLUNTARILY SAY, WE'RE GOING TO NOT HAVE A SIGN.
WE WOULD WANT TO PROHIBIT A SIGN.
AND THEN STAFF PROPOSES THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THE USE PERMIT.
AND THEN YOU CHOOSE TO CARRY THAT.
AND THAT'S THE MECHANISM IN WHICH THE SIGNAGE IS PROHIBITED, IS THROUGH THE USE PERMIT.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CONCERN LEGALLY SPEAKING WITH ACTUALLY PUTTING THAT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND PROHIBITING SIGNAGE.
RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY'S ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIGN.
IT COULD BE LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE CLINICAL SIGN, OR I LOVE JESUS, OR, YOU KNOW, I SEE WHAT YOU SAYING, I DON'T LIKE MY NEIGHBOR.
BUT IF YOU, BUT IF YOU PROMPT THEM THAT SAY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER RIGHT? THAT THEN THEY GO, OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THEN YOU, THEN YOU GET A CODIFIED, WELL, NOT WHAT YOU GET AS PART OF THE, PLUS YOU, IF YOU DON'T MENTION IT, YOU DON'T REALIZE IT.
AND THEN THAT'S EASILY POTENTIAL AID THERE.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, NOBODY'S DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKING FOR WHICH ONE OF THESE IS A, IS A RENTAL HOME.
SO THE SIGN THE SIGN DOESN'T REALLY DO ANY GOOD, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT, THEY WON'T PUT IT IN THERE.
YOU MENTION IT, THEY'LL PUT IT IN THERE.
AND STAFF HAS BEGUN DOING THAT.
AS, AS CAITLYN SAID, WITH ALL APPLICATIONS TO COME FORWARD, YOU JUST AUTOMATICALLY ASK THEM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY NOT HAVING A SIGN? AND THEY, 99% OF THE TIME THEY'RE SAY THEY'RE FINE WITH THEY DON'T WANT.
ANOTHER, UM, SUGGESTION REGARDING APPEARANCE, PARTICULARLY THAT THE TERRA HOMES SHOULD, IN RED SHORT TERM RENTAL SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE, RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE, AND SHOULD FIT IN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ALREADY A CRITERIA ACTUALLY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN 24 1, 409 8 MM-HMM.
I DID GIVE YOU A LITTLE HANDOUT THAT YOU HAVE JUST IN CASE YOU LOOK A QUICK, QUICK NOTE THAT THE CODE THAT YOU HAVE IS THAT, THAT'S THE, THE IN JUNE WHEN WE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS, THAT THAT'S THAT DRAFT.
SO IT'S THE, SOME OF THOSE ARE LIKE WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT THEN ALSO WHAT WAS RED LINED OUT
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AND RED LINED OUT.THE POTENTIAL CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS FROM A ZONING ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, THAT COULD BE DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE TRY, IF YOU'RE WRITING INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEN TRYING TO ENVO ENFORCE IT FROM AS, AS A ZONING ITEM.
UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT IN TERMS OF PARTIES, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE OF THE SHERIFF ENFORCES MM-HMM.
UM, BUT TO, TO KIND OF SHOW AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO TACKLE THIS FROM, AS A ZONING ENFORCEMENT ITEM, LET'S SAY THERE'S AT NOON SOMEONE SAT HAVING A PARTY AND I CALL ZONING ENFORCEMENT, THEY, THEY CAN'T COME OUT TILL MONDAY.
THEREIN KIND OF LIES THE DIFFICULTY.
WE, WE DO ADDRESS, LET'S, I'LL JUST SAY GATHERINGS AND EVENTS SOMEWHAT IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW AND 4 0 9 0 OH.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE A BED AND BREAKFAST AND YOU OPERATE FOR A YEAR AND THEN YOU WANNA COME AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE SMALL WEDDINGS AND SMALL RECEPTIONS, THEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR LIKE A SEPARATE SPECIALTY PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THAT.
BUT THAT'S ONLY BREAD AND BREAKFAST THAT ER STONES CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE KIND OF ADDRESSED IT SOMEWHAT IN THAT REGARD.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS OUR CONCERN WITH THE, WITH THAT LODGING SUGGESTION.
SO THAT, THAT WAS MY, ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS AND, AND THE DRIVER BEHIND THAT IS FOR THE TYPE OF GATHERING MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF NICE PROPERTY AND YORK COUNTY KINDNESS MAY, MAY WANT TO SET AS AN STR AND MAYBE IT BECOMES A WEDDING DESTINATION.
AND EV EVERY, EVERY OTHER WEEKEND THERE'S A BIG WEDDING PARTY THAT SHOWS UP DOWN IN SOMEBODY'S CUL-DE-SAC TO HAVE, HAVE THE WEDDING.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE HARD TO, TO ENFORCE YOU GO DOWN THERE AND LISTEN, YOU CLEARLY YOU'RE NOT JUST LAUNCHING HERE, YOU, YOU'RE WAITING HERE.
IF SOMEONE'S DOING IT EVERY OTHER WEEK, THEN YES, IT MEANS ZONING ENFORCEMENT COULD GO DOWN THERE.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY SOMEONE HAS A PARTY AND YOU KNOW, AND THE NEIGHBOR CALLS ON, YOU KNOW, MONDAY MORNING THE PARTY'S GONE AND DONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE HARDER PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
IT JUST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE.
BUT IT DOES SET AN EXPECTATION IN THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT IS EXPECTED USAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO PEOPLE RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE WHO MAY, OH NO, I GUESS I CAN'T REALLY DO THE THING I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA DO, AS OPPOSED TO JUST LODGING.
IT SETS AN EXPECTATION AND IT SETS A WAY TO ADDRESS IT.
SHOULD THOSE EXPECTATIONS NOT BE FOLLOWED.
IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE COULD COME AT FROM THE NUMBER OF GUESTS POSITION.
I MEAN, WE REQUIRE A NUMBER OF, A NUMBER OF GUESTS.
SO IF YOU KNOW THEY'RE OVERDOING GUESTS EVERY, YOU KNOW, OTHER WEEKEND, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING MAY, THAT MAY ANOTHER WAY ADDRESSING THE, THE GET TO THE SAME GOAL.
I THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY OF, OF EXPRESSING IT.
AND IT, I MEAN, IN THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS, IT'S NEGATIVE LOOKING THAT WAY.
WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, THEN THAT WOULD, I MEAN WE DO HAVE THE GUEST BOOK EDITION WE MADE TO THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS WHERE NOW, NOW YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A GUEST BOOK AND HAVE THAT LOG THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION.
WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US? IT GIVES OUR ZONING ENFORCEMENT STAFF THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW, IF THEY'RE MEETING THEIR NUMBER OF GUESTS, THOSE KINDS OF PIECES.
AND IF THE REQUIRE, IF THEY SIGN IT REQUIRE, DOES THE STATE REQUIRE THIS FOR HOTELS AND MOTELS? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S REQUIRED FOR HOTELS AND HOTELS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
DON'T THEY GOT A REGISTER? DON'T THEY REMEMBER YEARS AGO? BECAUSE THOSE, YOU CAN'T MANDATE THAT THEY GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THEIR RECORDS WITHOUT A WARRANT.
THERE'S A SUPREME COURT CASE ON THAT.
BUT YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE RECORDS AND IF YOU THEN IN THE FUTURE DEVELOP A BASIS FOR REVIEWING THE RECORDS, THEN YOU CAN DO SO IT'S ALSO A GOOD TAX THING.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MANDATE WARRANTLESS ACCESS TO THOSE TYPES OF RECORDS AND SAY, IF I SHOW UP, YOU HAVE TO SHOW IT TO ME.
BUT YOU CAN MANDATE KEEPING CERTAIN RECORDS.
AND MR. ROWAN, MOST OF THE APPLICANTS THAT COMING IN, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH STATING THAT IN THEIR NARRATIVES THAT THEY DON'T WANT THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU ALL LOOK FOR.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS, IS TELLING PEOPLE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT FOR PARTIES OR GATHERINGS, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND THE BOARD ARE GONNA BE ASKING YOU ABOUT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA WANNA SEE THAT.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IT IN THEIR NARRATIVES THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT AND THEN THE NARRATIVES ARE TIED TO THE RESOLUTION.
SO THEY, THEY ARE KIND OF TIED DOWN TO THAT IN MOST CASES.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE TRY, WE TRY TO WORK THAT STUFF IN AHEAD OF TIME.
AND I'M TRYING TO, AND WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH FOLKS JUST, AND JUST RUNNING IT OUT FOR LOG LODGING, TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT TOO BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY IS POTENTIAL TO, AGAIN, WE GOT A NICE LOT OF NICE PROPERTY IN YORK COUNTY PEOPLE TO USE IT FOR THINGS OTHER THAN
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LODGING.WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF DISRUPTION IN, IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIMITED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER WHAT YOU, YOU SAID WE CAN ADDRESS IT THAT WAY, BUT WE NEED IT ADDRESSED IN, IN, IN THE CODE.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO COME, COME BACK SOMEBODY ON IT, THEY CAN'T GO.
SO, OKAY, WELL WE CAN WRITE THAT.
ACCIDENT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT.
SPECIFICALLY THAT THE ORDINANCE SHOULD REQUIRE SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO BE MANAGED BY A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PLATFORM SUCH AS AIRBNB OR VRBO.
SOME STAFF CONCERN THAT THIS COULD BE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THE COUNTY THROUGH ZONING SHOWING A PREFERENCE TO A PARTICULAR BUSINESS OVER ANOTHER.
I ALSO WANNA RAISE THE POINT THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, YORKTOWN COTTAGES, WHICH IS AN APPROVED TOURIST HOME.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN WEBSITE THAT THEY RUN AND THAT THEY OPERATE FROM.
SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
THIS COULD BE CHALLENGING TO ENFORCE AS WELL.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO THE DRIVER BEHIND THAT WAS PLACES LIKE V-V-R-B-O AND WHAT THE OTHER AIRBNB.
AIRBNB, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA RENT OR ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DETACHED CAMPER IN SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY AS A, I DON'T KNOW.
I'VE NEVER USED, I WAS SAYING THERE WERE SOME STANDARDS THAT THEY SET FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD HELP HELP US, BUT NO ANYTHING.
WE'VE HAD A CAMPER HERE IN THE COUNTY RV WE HAD SHIPPED DOWN AT THE DOCK.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A YUR YET, BUT, UM, WE HAVE HAD A CAMPER IN THE COUNTY THAT WE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE RUNNING ILLEGALLY.
WELL THAT WAS, BUT THAT WAS ON AIRBNB.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I MEAN THE BIGGER PROBLEM WITH, WITH, WITH RESTRICTING TO SAY THE ORDINANCE SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO USE IT, YOU HAVE TO USE AIRBNB OR VRBO.
IT JUST MAKES IT, WE CAN'T DO THAT MORE CHALLENGING.
SO WHAT IF NEXT YEAR THE THE, YOU KNOW, THEN THE COMPANY COMES UP, RENT MY HOUSE COMES UP AND THEY ARE THE MOST POPULAR AND THEN WE GOTTA CHANGE OUR ORDINANCE.
YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I WAS TRYING TO, TRYING TO ADDRESS THE STANDARD, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO STANDARD'S FREE FOR ALL.
THE ISSUE IS TAX COLLECTION THOUGH.
UNLESS YOU USE ONE OF THESE, UM, NATIONAL STANDARDS, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT COLLECTING THE TAX.
WHAT DID, HE'S TALKING ABOUT US COLLECTING THE TAX BECAUSE IF THEY'RE JUST ADVERTISING ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND THEY HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
NO, YOU, YOU'RE ASSUMING THEY HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
THEY'RE ILLEGAL OPERAT, THEY'RE LEGALLY OPERATING.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STATE.
THERE IS A STATE STATUTE THAT DEALS WITH THE INTERMEDIARY PROCESS AND THAT'S DEFINED UNDER STATE LAW.
SO LIKE THE, THEY'RE THEY'RE CALLED HOSPITALITY INTERMEDIARIES OR SOMETHING UNDER STATE LAW THAT, THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY PUT THE PROVISIONS IN PLACE TO ALLOW, TO REQUIRE THEM TO BASICALLY PAY OVER THE MONEY TO THE LOCALITIES, WHICH IS WHAT MM-HMM.
SO THERE IS A DEF THERE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL DEFINITION OF THAT STATE LAW.
SO, SO AIRBNB AND VRBO SITES, THEY ACTUALLY PAY LUMP SUM TO THE COUNTY DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS THAT WERE FOR, FOR TAXATION PURPOSES.
BUT OTHER SITES MAY NOT LIKE YORKTOWN COTTAGES.
THEY JUST REPORT IN THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE TIME HOW MANY NIGHTS THAT THEY HAD AND THEY PAY THE LODGING TAX THAT WAY.
KIND OF AN ASIDE, BUT UM, WHILE WE'RE EXAMINING THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, THIS CAME UP IN STAFF DISCUSSIONS.
SO YOU SEE IN THE CHART THERE RIGHT NOW, AND, AND I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, BUT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR R SEVEN TO STR ARE PERMITTED WITH A SPECIALTIES PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT THE LITTLE S IS FOR.
AND THEN IN TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, LB AND GB, IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
LOOKING AT LIKE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
WE, WE LOOKED AT THOSE AND THERE AREN'T REALLY, REALLY ANY THAT REALLY LOGICALLY LEND THEMSELVES TO ACT BEING USED AS A TERRORIST HOME.
I MEAN THINK I'M JUST THINKING OF THE HOUSES ON 17.
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT NOW THAT ARE OPERAT WE'RE AWARE OF THAT ARE OPERATING IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BY RIGHT.
SO THERE, THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA EVEN PRESERVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT BY RIGHT.
IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AGAIN, THE, THE SENATE BILL IF IT GETS SIGNED WILL IMPACT THIS.
BUT, UH, JUST THE THOUGHT THAT WE HAVE.
WELL THE QUESTION IS HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY IN THE, IN IN THE SYSTEM? NOT THAT I'M AWARE.
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RIGHT.AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE, WE AS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND YOU JUST ELIMINATE THE LB AND THE GPB.
JUST TAKE IT OUT IF YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN THAT.
UM, I'M SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF SHAKING OF HEADS.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CHANGE, WE'LL JUST ELIMINATE THAT.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING TO CHECK OFF, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH IT NOW, THEN NO, WE, THIS IS JUST 12 RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE HAVE 200.
WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH SPECIAL USE OR JUST NO, JUST ELIMINATE IT ALL TOGETHER.
WE WERE JUST GONNA ELIMINATE IT.
WE WERE SUGGESTING ELIMINATING IT IN THE, NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL, NOT HAVE IT ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL.
BUT HOTELS AND MOTELS ARE IN COMMERCIAL.
LL DIFFERENT, WE DON'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL.
BIG RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES, UM, WAS REALLY REGARDING OWNER OPERATOR RESIDENCY SPECIFICALLY.
IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TRUIST HOME, DOES THE OWNER OPERATOR LIVE IN THE HOUSE OR ADJACENT? HOW DO WE DEFINE THAT? SO RIGHT NOW IN, AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED REFERENCE TO THE PROPOSED SECTION.
THAT'S 4 0 9 E UM, LET'S SAY CURRENTLY ZONING ORDINANCE LANGUAGE IS KIND OF EITHER OR, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE YOU LIVE IN THE HOUSE OR ADJACENT OR YOU DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
YOU TIGHTEN THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY OWNER OPERATOR SHALL LIVE IN THE HOU IN, IN, ON ONSITE OR ADJACENT, BUT THE BOARD MAY WAIVE IT IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
UM, SO IT GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY.
FLEXIBILITY TO, TO, IT'S LIKE ESTABLISHING A CLEAR PREFERENCE THAT THE PERSON LIVE IN THE HOUSE OR ADJACENT, BUT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY IN CERTAIN CASES.
UM, SOME SUGGESTION CAME UP FOR, OKAY, WELL ADJACENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THAT NEXT DOOR? IS THAT ON THE SAME BLOCK? UM, THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR LIKE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET AWAY FROM THE TOURIST HOME.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO MANAGES WRONG WAY AND RIGHT NOW LIVING MULTIPLE MILES AWAY, THAT'S A PROBLEM LIKE THAT.
HAVE WE HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT? THAT WE KNOW OF? I HAVEN'T.
OTHER THAN THE ONE WE HAD TO RE HAD BRING BACK.
JUST, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED YOUR DISCUSSION.
I MEAN THE LAST POINT IS JUST, I IT WAS, IT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IF YOU HAVE A, LIKE A, A SITUATION WHERE IF THE A LIKE LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A, A TOURIST HOME, THE PERSON LIVES LIKE THEY'RE THE NEIGHBOR, THEY LIVE ADJACENT AND THEY'RE NOT THERE TEMPORARILY.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN ALLOWANCE FOR LIKE A TEMPORARY CONTACT OR MANAGER IN THAT CASE AS WELL.
SAY SOMETHING COMES UP, SOMETHING COMES UP.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST DISCUSSION POINTS FOR YOU ALL.
AND THAT, THAT, AND THE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT WAS, IT IS NOT REALISTIC TO THINK THAT WHILE YOU ARE RENT YOUR, YOUR HOME OUT FOR A WEEK, TWO WEEKS, THREE DAYS, WHATEVER, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT BESIDE IT, 24 BY SEVEN, MAYBE YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF A, OF, OF A FAMILY MEMBER IN THE NEXT COUNTY.
MAYBE YOU GOTTA GO RUN OUTTA TOWN PLAN FOR BUSINESS FOR A COUPLE DAYS.
SO IN THOSE CASES THEN YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOMEBODY THAT IS THERE A NEIGHBOR THAT CAN COVER IT FOR YOU.
BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE A COMMON PRACTICE EVERY TIME YOU RENT YOUR PLACE OUT.
NO, BUT YOU, YOU NEED FLEXIBILITY.
YOU CAN LOCK YOURSELF DOWN LIKE THAT.
I THINK THE NUMBER ONE ITEM WE'RE AFTER IS WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
WE WANT THEM LOCAL, WE WANT THEM ADJACENT OR RIGHT.
YOU WANT 'EM IN THE SAME AREA TO SAY FEEL THE SAME IF THERE IS ANY PAIN, THE SAME PAIN THE NEIGHBORS ARE FEELING.
AND, AND THEY WELL, I THIS ME TOO TOO.
SO, SO I THINK STAFF'S QUESTION WAS, OKAY, WE, WE HAVE THAT PROPOSED SECTION THAT AGAIN ESTABLISHES PREFERENCE, BUT YOU CURRENTLY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO WAIVE IT.
DO YOU WANNA ADD ADDITIONAL CRITERIA? SPEC SPECIFICALLY? DISTANCE.
HOW FAR IS TOO FAR? HOW CLOSE IS I, I I'M THINKING A COUPLE, 2000 FEET.
OH, I, I THINK SEE THE 3000 FEET, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHATEVER SIZE NEIGHBORHOOD IS YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE, THAT'S A LITTLE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE DID TURNED DOWN ONE, UH, UH, BECAUSE THE PERSON, WE DID, BECAUSE THEY LIVED, THEY LIVED, THEY LIVED GRAFTON AS OPPOSED UP IN THE WAY UP IN THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA.
BUT THEN WE TURNED AROUND AND REVERSED THAT AND WE PROVED IT.
OKAY THEN, THEN WE HAD ONE HOMEOWNER, I THINK IT'S SEAFORD AREA, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEAFORD.
HE HAD SAID THAT HE COULDN'T, HE, HE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT HE'D BE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
JUST KIND OF GO TO YOUR POINT.
UM, THIS IS WHERE WE HAD TO, YEAH, WE NEED TO SET SOMETHING BECAUSE WE TO SET.
WE WERE REALLY ARBITRARY IN, IN THAT, IN THAT AREA, OR NOT
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HAVE IT AT ALL.AND AS SOON AS YOU DO SOMETHING FURTHER OUT FOR ONE, YOU JUST BROKE.
THAT'S, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
SO WE EITHER, EITHER SET ONE OR NOT HAVE IT AT ALL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE EACH ONE'S AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? TELL 'EM? WELL, THEY'RE TOO FAR AWAY BECAUSE HE LIVES IN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEY, THEY LIVE IN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE CAN'T, AND WE, AND WE JUST COULDN'T HAVE 'EM SIT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE PERSON HAD A GOOD, GREAT REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PLACE AND SAID, YEAH, I'LL BE HERE THE WHOLE TIME.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS I CAN SEE.
WE'RE TRYING TO SET A STANDARD.
AND IN A STANDARD, IT, YOU CAN'T JUST BE VAGUE WITH, WELL, YOU GOTTA LIVE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OR, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD ADJACENT PREMISES, IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD, THEN WHAT? DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR? THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT SUPPOSED HAVE BEEN KIND OF GUIDANCE.
SO THEY KNOW WHETHER TO APPLY, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA GET ANY RESISTANCE.
BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM YOU RUN INTO.
SO WE HAD ONE WHERE, UM, I THINK IT WAS A FULL HOUSE RENTAL AND PROPERTY OWNER LIVED ON THE NEXT 10 ACRES TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS ON FIVE ACRES, WHICH WAS WELL OVER, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET AWAY.
SO, BUT I MEAN, THEY DON'T, YOU'RE NOT GONNA RUN INTO THAT TOO OFTEN.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET OF PROPERTY LEFT IN THE COUNTY.
BUT, BUT THEN YOU GET INTO, ALL RIGHT, DO YOU MEASURE IT FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE? DO YOU MEASURE IT FROM THE, THE HOUSE TO THE HOUSE TO WHERE THE GUY STANDS IN HIS YARD? WHERE DO
UM, GIS MAPS, YOU CAN NAIL IT DOWN TO A SIX INCHES.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT'S FROM THE DOORSTEP? SO PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
WHAT IF, WHAT IF, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE A DOOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU.
SAY WHAT, WHAT IF, WHAT IF AS A, I COULDN'T TELL YOU ON A STRUCTURE BETWEEN, BETWEEN THAT, BUT THEY'RE IN THE DISCIPLINE.
THEY CAN NEVER SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW? SO I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
NO, THAT'S PART, THAT'S PART OF HAVING THE SKIN IN THE GAME.
SO YOU, YOU CAN, SO DO YOU NEED TO MEASURE IT OR IN THAT, IN DISTANCE, OR CAN YOU MEASURE IN TIME OR MEASURE IT SOME OTHER WAY? THE OTHER WORDS, THE IDEA IS BE ABLE TO GET TO, WITH THE X NUMBER OF MINUTES OR WHATEVER, SOLVE A PROBLEM.
DEPENDS ON IF YOU RIDING THE TRICYCLE OR DRIVING CAR.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION.
WELL, IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM YOU GOT WITH THE DISTANCE.
I, BUT THAT'S AN INTERESTING APPROACH.
INSTEAD OF INSTEAD MEASURING BIKE MEASURING, HOW LONG DOES IT, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO RESPOND TO AN ISSUE? COULD YOU RESPOND? THAT'S RIGHT.
COULD YOU RESPOND IN 15 MINUTES? 'CAUSE YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR WHO'S HAVING A PROBLEM KNOWS TO, HEY, POP, GET OVER HERE, MAN.
AND, AND THEY GET THERE IN FIVE MINUTES.
THAT'S PROBABLY OKAY IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, IT'D BE AN HOUR BEFORE I GET THERE.
SO, NO, I THINK TIME IS NOT GOOD.
IF YOU GAVE SOMEBODY 15 MINUTES, THEY COULD LIVE IN WILLIAMSBURG AND HAVE ONE DOWN HERE.
I THINK IT HAS TO BE IN THE GENERAL VICINITY SOMEHOW.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE? IT'S THE PURPOSE.
BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A SITUATION, RIGHT.
RESPONSIBLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO PEOPLE KNOW WHO TO GO TO WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM.
RIGHT? BUT THE, THE, THE DETROIT, WHAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNTY? UM, SO WAS IT A THOUSAND FEET? YOU KNOW, PICK A NUMBER.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE WAIT AND FIND OUT WHETHER WE CAN EVEN DO THIS.
YOU COULD CHEW ON IT SOME MORE, BUT WE, UNTIL WE FIND OUT WHETHER THE, WHETHER THE GOVERNOR PASSES OR VETOES OR WHATEVER HAPPENS.
AND, AND TWO, THIS IS JUST DISCUSSION.
AND TWO, WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS, ALL THE CHALLENGES IN ONE SHOT.
WE COULD TAKE JUST WHAT WE HAVE HERE, RUN THAT FOR A WHILE, AND THEN EXPLORE THE DISTANCE, TIME, WHATEVER QUESTION, ADD THAT IN MEAN.
THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY IT, THIS IS ONE AND DONE.
BUT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGER CONCERNS.
I MEAN, OUT OF THE CAN'T CHANGING IT, OUT OF THE CONCERNS, THIS IS LIKE NUMBER TWO, CAN'T KEEP CHANGING IT, RIGHT? IS IS WHERE, WHERE IS THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE? AND YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SET A DISTANCE TONIGHT.
I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT, I THINK MR. DREWRY HAD GIVEN US, UM, 2000 TO 3000 FEET, UM, WHICH WOULD MATCH A DECENT AMOUNT OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED WHERE IT'S A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADJACENT.
WE HAVE MR. HOWARD, WHO HE'S RENTAL, WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH HE WAS BASICALLY TWO DOORS DOWN THOUGH HIS PROPERTY WAS ONLY A FEW THOUSAND, FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE CORNER OF THE OTHER PROPERTY.
BUT DOOR TO DOOR, I WOULD SAY HE WAS PROBABLY WITHIN THAT TWO TO 3000, UH, FOOT DISTANCE.
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A NUMBER WOULD BE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR OR, OR A TIME DISTANCE.I MEAN, UH, THE, THE POINT OF HAVING THE CONVERSATION IS TO TRY TO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO, HOW, WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE DO YOU WANT TO GIVE APPLICANTS WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL? YEAH.
'CAUSE SO FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, I MEAN, WE APPROVED ONE.
I I, I DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT WE'VE PROVED ONE THAT, UH, THE PERSON, AND I'M NOT EVEN LIVING IN THE COUNTY, UM, THEY SAID, WELL, I'M ONLY 10, 15 MINUTES AWAY, EVEN THOUGH I'M ANOTHER COUNTY, BUT YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, WITH WHERE, WHERE YOU RENT.
UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS QUICK TO GET THERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST ON THE TOP END, 3000 FEET THAT GIVES, THE PERSON'S GOING TO BE IN THE, UH, VICINITY PRETTY CLOSE.
YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE OVER A HALF MILE FIFTY TWO EIGHTY.
JUST CALL IT A HALF MILE BE DONE.
WOULD YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A TOO FAR FOR ME? I WON'T ACCEPT THAT.
I WANT THEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WOULD YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A CONSIDERATION UNDER SECTION M, WHERE IT'S LIKE THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER, OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A HARD REQUIREMENT THAT YOU, YOU DON'T EVEN NO.
GO IF YOU DON'T HIT THAT LOCATIONAL STOP? I DON'T KNOW WHAT A REASON WOULD BE THAT WE WOULDN'T HIT THAT, IN MY MIND, A HALF A MILE'S, A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE.
I, I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE 'EM AN OPTION TO COME EXPLAIN WHY.
YES, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FOR THEM.
AND IT, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.
YOU COULD, AND THEN, THEN WE COLLECTIVELY CAN DECIDE, YEP, YOU, YOU HAVE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT AND I CAN PASS A RED FACE TEST WHERE SOMEONE ELSE I MAY SAY NO TO, BUT YOUR ARGUMENT IS COMPELLING.
BUT SET A STANDARD SO THEY, IF THEY KNOW WHEN THEY'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT IS NOT LOOKING GOOD, MAYBE I DON'T WANNA SPEND THAT $200 OR WHATEVER IT COST TO.
THEY MAY HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT LIVES CLOSER THAT CAN MONITOR.
BUT SOMEBODY IN THE VICINITY IS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
SEE, BUT I DON'T WANT, THEN YOU RUN INTO THE PROBLEM WHERE THEIR 88-YEAR-OLD MOTHER IS, IS IS THE MONITOR.
AND SHE'S NOT GOING TO GO THERE AND TELL PEOPLE, YOU MAKE IT TOO, TOO MUCH NOISE.
SO YOU WANT THE PERSON THAT'S, THAT'S GETTING THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE BENEFIT FROM IT TO OWN, OWN THE PROBLEM.
SO I, I THINK WE START WITH A HALF MILE AND JUST TOUCH THAT AND AS, AS A, AS A GUIDANCE.
BUT I THINK GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT, TO COME TO THE BOARD AND CONVINCE US OTHERWISE.
AND MAYBE, MAYBE SOMETIMES WILL, SOMETIMES THEY WON'T.
WELL, IF YOU LIVE IN A PLACE LIKE KIL CREEK OR IF YOU LIVE AT, UH, COVENTRY OR EVEN, UH, RUNNING MAN.
SO IF YOU'RE A HALF A MILE, YOU'RE JUST ON THE BORDER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRETTY MUCH.
SO YOU STILL, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? MM-HMM.
COURSE THE 2 1 2 NAMED FO HOAS AND THEY PROBABLY DON'T ALLOW IT.
BUT I MEAN, I IN FACT, ALL THREE OF 'EM DON'T ALLOW IT.
I MEAN, I, I, I I REALLY DON'T CARE.
I, I THINK THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THEY LIVE WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IF SOMEONE LIVES THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE, BUT IT'S A SERVING PERSON AND LIVES THERE, THAT WE CANNOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR, OR THE RIGHT.
AND WE LISTEN TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND WE JUDGE EACH ONE SEPARATELY BASED ON ITS MERITS.
BUT THIS GIVES YOU HIGHER CONSIDERATION ON ONES THAT ARE WITHIN A HALF MILE, ONES THAT ARE OUTSIDE.
IT GIVES YOU THAT AS, AS ONE OF THOSE BULLETS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS GONNA WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WITHIN A HALF MILE YOU'RE WAY OUTSIDE OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT.
IF IT'S NOT AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES, IT, IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED.
AND ALSO DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MINUTIA ARGUMENTS LATE.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY POINT 0.551 OR 0.49.
BUT IF YOU'RE, AS THE CROW FLIES, BUT IF YOU'RE ALRIGHT, IF YOU CROW RIGHT, YOU KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN, I MEAN WE CAN GET DOWN TO, IF YOU CAN GET A GOLF BALL FROM YOUR HOUSE TO YOUR RENTAL HOUSE, YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD.
I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'VE GOT THE FEEL OF WHAT, WHAT IS PREFERRED.
SO I THINK THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, CAN WE GET AN ANSWER HERE? WE SAID A HALF A MILE.
ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE I GET INTO THIS, UM, I'M GONNA HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES IN THE SLIDE DECK THAT ARE A BIT DATA FOCUSED, SOME GRAPHICS, UM, THE INTEREST OF TIME.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALL BEEN HERE QUITE A TI QUITE SOME TIME.
I'M GONNA GET THROUGH THESE SLIDES AND THEN I CAN TAP BACK AS NEEDED FOR QUESTIONS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, HOLD OUR QUESTIONS, PLEASE, PLEASE.
SO FOR GEN, OKAY, THE BIGGEST RECOMMENDATION THAT MULTIPLE CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES WAS LOCATION, POTENTIAL LOCATIONAL STANDARDS, UM, AND DENSITY.
SO FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, SHOULD
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THERE BE SOME SORT OF GEOGRAPHIC BASIS OR BOUNDARY FOR SOME SORT OF DENSITY LIMIT? WHAT WOULD THAT, YOU KNOW, SO STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT THESE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS.IF WRITING THIS, WE'D LOOK AT LIKE, WHAT WOULD A BOUNDARY BE? WHAT WOULD A NUMERICAL STANDARD BE? WHAT WOULD APPLICABILITY BE? WOULD IT BE A REQUIREMENT OR CONSIDERATION? WE RECOMMEND IF THERE IS GONNA BE ANY ADOPTION OF SOME SORT OF LOCATIONAL OR DENSITY STANDARD, THERE WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION FOR YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
THERE'S A DENSITY BED AND BREAKFAST AND TOURIST HOMES, BUT THAT'S OUR PRIMARY TOURIST AREA.
UM, THAT'S REALLY THE INTENTION OF THAT DISTRICT.
SO WE FEEL IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO EXEMPT IT IN THAT CASE.
UM, WE'RE ALL VERY AWARE OF WHAT HAMPTON'S DOING PROBABLY AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO THIS DATA IN THIS SLIDE IS FROM THEIR FEBRUARY 6TH CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
SO CITY STAFF IS PROPOSING IN HAMPTON TO CREATE SHORT TERM RENTAL ZONES.
AND, AND THESE ARE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS WHERE THERE'S A DENSITY CAP.
AND IT VARIES BETWEEN DIFFERENT ZONES, BETWEEN 1% OF HOUSING UNITS IN 3% OF HOUSING UNITS IN A GIVEN ZONE, BASED ON THE CHARACTER OF IT.
THEY ALSO, THEIR STAFF IS PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
EXAMPLE, THERE IS LIKE TWO SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN BE ADJACENT OR ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THEY CAN'T LIKE BOX IN A REGULAR HOUSE.
UM, THEIR PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENTS DON'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHOLE HOUSE OR OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR WHETHER THEY'RE FULL OR PART-TIME BIGGEST CHANGES.
SO RIGHT NOW, HAMPTON, ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING, EXCEPT WHEN CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE MET, SHORT-TERM RENTALS BE SHIFTED TO BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT.
THIS IS THEIR DRAFT MAP OF THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ZONES THAT THEIR STAFF CREATED.
WE, WE TALKED TO THEIR STAFF ABOUT HOW THEY DRAFTED THESE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, CENSUS BLOCKS NECESSARILY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY, THEY ACTUALLY STAFF ACTUALLY WENT AND DID TIME TO CREATE THESE, UM, BY HAND.
SOME OF IT'S BASED ON LIKE AREAS IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SOME OF IT'S FOLLOWING KIND OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THIS MAP IS SMALL AND HARD TO READ.
SO I ZOOMED IN, UM, ON THIS SECTION HERE.
SO JUST AS FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU'LL SEE NEW MARKET CREEK FIVE, THAT'S A PROPOSED SHORT TERM RENTAL ZONE.
THE NUMBER IN BLACK UNDERLINED UNDER THAT 2082 IS THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IN THAT PROPOSED ZONE AND THE NUMBER IN GREEN UNDER THAT, WHICH IS UNDERLINED, THAT'S THE NUMBER.
SO THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW WHATEVER PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE.
THAT IS THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TOTAL IN THE COUNTY WE HAVE 17.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR DENSITY CAP, THERE'S THINGS TO THINK ABOUT FOR HOW YOU MANY WE'D BE ALLOWING.
SO STAFF HAD TO THINK ABOUT, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF WE DID THIS IN THE COUNTY? UM, SOME SORT.
SO TWO SCENARIOS WE EXPLORED DATA WITH FIRST WAS LIKE, OKAY, CREATE SOME SORT OF GEOGRAPHIC AREA WHERE WE HAVE A FIXED DENSITY BASED ON HOUSING UNITS, OR ALTERNATELY DO WE DRAW LIKE A RADIUS BUFFER FROM AN EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
I'LL GET INTO THE RADIUS BIT, UM, FOLLOWING THE DENSITY SLIDES.
ALL RIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND YOU HAVE THIS MAP IN PAPER FORM THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS YOU, UM, I, I BLEW IT UP FOR THE SAKE OF VISUALS, BUT THE, THE MAP ALSO SHOWS YOU, UM, LIKE THE CENSUS BLOCK AND THEN HOW MANY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOUSES ARE IN PER BLOCK.
SO STAFF WAS LIKE, IF WE WERE TO CREATE A ZONE, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BASED IT ON CENSUS BLOCKS? PROBABLY NOT.
UM, BLOCKS, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IN THE MAP, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF RANDOM WITH HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS ARE IN A BLOCK.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE ACTUALLY LIKE IN BLOCK 10, BLOCK 10 20, IT WINGS IN A SEPARATELY PLATTED PART OF QUEENS LAKE.
AND THIS, AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO PULL THE DATA AND GROUP THE CENSUS BLOCK TOGETHER AND SEE HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS ARE THERE, AND THEN WHAT WOULD LIKE A 1% DENSITY CAP LOOK LIKE.
SO ABOUT ROUGHLY 550 HOUSEHOLDS, 1% OF THAT WOULD BE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX HOUSES.
IF YOU WERE TO IMPLY, YOU KNOW, INVOKE A 1% DENSITY CAP, SO FIVE OR SIX SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SHORT TERM RENTALS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THAT PROPOSED, LIKE A PROPOSED DENSITY CAP.
SO SOME CONSIDERATIONS, AGAIN, IF WE WANNA GO THE, IF YOU WANNA GO THE DENSITY ROUTE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE, LIKE IF WE'RE WANNA DO THIS, THIS DENSITY ZONE SITUATION, UM, AND I INCLUDED, AND I HAVE THESE RESERVE SLIDES AND I GAVE YOU MAPS, UM, AND I CAN TAP TO THOSE LATER.
BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AT LIKE CALTHORPE NECK AND THEN CARVER GARDENS.
UM, AND BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE PLOTTED DEFINED NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUBDIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE VERY LOW DENSITY AREAS WHERE THERE ISN'T REALLY A DEFINED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE CENSUS BLOCKS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO WE STAFF WOULD'VE TO WORK TO SORT OF CREATE ZONES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT NORMALIZED WITH HOUSING UNITS.
ALTERNATIVELY, THERE'S THIS SUGGESTION FOR MAYBE A BUFFER RADIUS.
UM, YOU HAVE THIS MAP TO, UM, IN YOUR MATERIALS.
SO STAFF PRODUCED A MAP THAT SHOWS ALL THE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPROVED SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE COUNTY.
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YOUR ACCOUNT VILLAGE.AND WE DREW CIRCLES AROUND THEM, BUFFERS FOR QUARTER MILE, HALF MILE, ONE MILE TO SEE.
AND THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE LIKE, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHIN X NUMBER RADIUS, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE PERMITTED.
SO ZOOMING IN, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THE MAP, THAT MAP WAS SMALL, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WILLIAMSBURG AREA, YORK TERRACE, CARVER GARDEN, UM, TERRA AREA.
SO ON THE RIGHT LEFT THERE IS THE QUARTER MILE.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY LITTLE STARS.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THAT HALF MILE YOU IN A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP OF THE QUARTER MILE, DEFINITE OVERLAP WITH THE HALF MILE.
THAT MIGHT ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR ABOUT DENSITY OF TOURIST HOMES AND COMING INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK.
SO WE WENT UP NORTH TO THE UPPER COUNTY SKIM AREA, HALF MILE ON THE LEFT.
THERE'S THE ONE MILE BUFFER ON THE RIGHT, UH, WHERE THERE'S LESS LIKE CONCENTRATION OF TOURIST HOMES.
WITH THE HALF MILE BUFFER, YOU DON'T SEE AS MUCH OVERLAP, BUT YOU DO HAVE THAT OVERLAP WITH THE ONE MILE BUFFER.
SO LESS LITTLE BIT LESS OVERLAP WITH THE ONE MILE BUFFER IMPORTANT GEOGRAPHIC NOTE ABOUT E THE HALF MILE AND THE ONE MILE BUFFER.
SO AGAIN, STAFF IS DRAWING A CIRCLE AROUND THE TOURIST HOME OF ONE MILE UNIFORM.
THIS CROSSES THE WATER AND IT CROSSES PENINSULAS.
SO LET'S SAY YOU'RE ON CALHR NECK AND THAT CIRCLE OKAY.
THAT THE ONE MILE CIRCLE GOES UP INTO SEAFORD.
SO IF YOU'RE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE SOMEBODY APPLYING AND YOU LIVE UP THERE AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL YOU FALL WITHIN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR BUFFER, BUT YOU'RE ALSO, BUT YOU'RE ACROSS THE WATER.
SO YOU HAVE TO, AND JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS A GEOGRAPHIC STANDARD? MM-HMM.
SO JUST CRITERIA POINTS, UM, FOR, FOR YOUR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, UM, IF, AGAIN, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WANNA PUT INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EITHER DENSITY OR, OR THE BUFFER.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD A GEOGRAPHIC BASIS AND BOUNDARIES FOR LOOK LIKE? ANOTHER QUESTION STAFF HAD IS WHAT IF THERE'S THAT OVERLAPPING APPLICATIONS? SO JUST USING THE BUFFER SCENARIO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, APPLY FOR A TOUR HOME AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT HAPPENS? UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THE DENSITY ROUTE OR THE BUFFER ROUTE, WHAT'S THE NUMERICAL STANDARD? WHAT SHOULD THAT BE? UH, APPROPRIATE APPLICABILITY.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERS? AGAIN, IN ANY SCENARIO, WE DO HIGHLY RECOMMEND EXEMPT YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
YOU, YOU SAY, OR IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, OR NO, IT CAN BE ANN BECAUSE IN, IN THE, IN THE FIRST SCENARIO OF GEOGRAPHIC BASIS, WE STILL DON'T, I STILL DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA WANT TOURISTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE BESIDE EACH OTHER TOO, PROBABLY.
WELL THINK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE NEIGHBOR WOULDN'T WANT THAT EITHER.
NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN THEY SPECIAL USE PERMITTED, THEY COME UP WITH THIS ONE, THEY'RE ALREADY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S NOT GONNA WANT ONE.
SO THEY'LL JUST, THEY'LL THEY'LL BE AGAINST IT.
BUT LETS PREVENT THE POOR APPLICANT FROM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND FOLLOW THE MONEY AND THEN ONLY GET TURNED DOWN WHEN YOU COME TO US.
SO LET'S, LET'S JUST KIND OF SET THAT EXPECTATION IN ADVANCE.
WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN TELL THEM.
IT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITHOUT HAVING IT NECESSARILY SPELLED OUT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT I THINK IF STAFF IS LOOKING AT A PROPOSAL AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ANOTHER ONE THAT WON'T TELL THAT'S IT'S A NEXT, IT'S NEXT DOOR NOT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE APPROVED.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT FIRST EXAMPLE, THERE'VE BEEN FIVE HOUSES THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND TO DO THAT, YOU'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO DRAW CIRCLES AROUND ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE COUNTY TO DO, WHICH IS DOABLE.
BUT WE'VE TO DO THAT AND THEN DO, DO THE MATH.
1% DO WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS AND IT'S ALL RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE WOULD DO IT FOR, REGARDLESS OF THE HOA LET THE OA DECIDE.
BUT, UM, BUT FOR A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GOT, YOU CAN DO FIVE, YOU CAN DO SIX, YOU CAN DO 10, YOU CAN DO TWO.
UM, BUT YOU DON'T WANNA SIDE BY SIDE.
YOU DON'T WANT TOO CLOSE EITHER.
BUT I DO LIKE THE, THE, THE HALF MILE BOUNDARY AS WELL, UM, APPROACH.
BUT YOU DO HALF MILE THEN MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS.
I WAS, I'M SAYING THAT'S GONNA BE A PRETTY WIDE SWAMP THAN HALF MILE.
ABOUT THE, UH, GRAPH AGAIN, THE DECIDED HALF MILE OR QUARTER MILE.
THE GREEN, THE QUARTER, THAT'S A QUARTER MILE.
SO THE MORE DENSE, UH, HOUSING YOU PROBABLY WANT TO RUN A QUARTER MILE.
IT JUST DEPENDS WHAT YOU, HOW MANY YOU
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WANT TO SEE.I MEAN, LIKE THOSE TWO AT THE TOP, THEY'RE ON THE SAME STREET BLOCK.
THEY WERE BACK TO BACK STREETS THERE.
THEY'RE, AND SO THAT, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE CAME TO US AND YOU HAD THE HALF MILE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, LIKE NONE OF THESE WOULDN, THEN WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE.
YOU WOULDN'T, YOU'D ONLY HAVE LIKE TWO THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE WITHIN THE, THE HALF MILE BUFFER OF ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN THE QUARTER MILE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED IN THERE.
HOW BIG DO YOU THINK YOUR COUNTY REALLY IS? IT'S ONLY WHAT, 29 MILES LONG AND SIX MILES WIDE? WELL, THAT, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS MAP WITH, WITH THE BUFFERS, IT SEE UP QUICK.
SO YOU PUT A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS IN THERE.
I I I THINK WE'RE GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS.
YOU HAVE ALL THE ST YOU WANT IN THOSE GRAY AREAS.
YOU REALLY, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BY RIGHT.
WELL, NOTHING TO TAKE ACTION ON TONIGHT UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT MAY HAVE POINT.
HOW MANY ST CAN AN OWNER HAVE, WHICH IS ADDRESSED IF THEY HAVE TO LIVE NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY? CORRECT.
DO I HAVE TO DEFINE THAT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE CONCEPT AROUND IT WAS SOMEBODY MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON RENTING OUT THEIR PROPERTY.
IT SHOULDN'T BE A BUSINESS, I THINK IS WHAT I WAS, CORRECT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING A COMMERCIAL ENTITY COMING AND BUYING THE HOUSE AND THEN RENTING IT OUT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
OR BUYING OR BUYING A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT.
SO, AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE, UH, ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE THE STR, WHAT'S THE, THE VIOLATIONS? LIKE HOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? IS THAT SPECIFIED? IS THAT SPECIFIED IN THE CODE THAT IF THEY VIOLATE THIS THREE TIMES IN A YEAR, YOU PULL THE PERMIT? WELL YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, FOR ZONING.
ONE TIME ZONING, UM, TAKES ONE TIME.
THINK ABOUT ONE TIME SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY THAT, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNER WASN'T CLUE WAS CLUELESS ON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IF IT CONTINUES, THEN I WOULD SAY YEAH, THAT'S UNIVERS ACROSS ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
IF YOU, IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR, WHETHER IT BE FOR SDR OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THEN, THEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO ANY NUMBER OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION, INCLUDING THE, THE, THE LOSS OF YOUR SDR OR YOUR SP.
SO THEY, THEY HANDLE THAT TODAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME PARAMETERS AROUND THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DO YOU WHAT TO DO A DENSITY OR NOT OR A BUFFER? WELL, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO SET THE STANDARD.
IF WE DON'T SET A STANDARD, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK HERE.
EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GET ONE OF THESE, THERE WILL BE, THERE HAS TO BE A STANDARD.
IF THEY SUBMIT ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE ANYWAY.
WELL IS THERE A CONSENSUS OF, OF THE, OF THE BOARD FOR, FOR DENSITY? IS THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR NEIGHBORHOOD DENSITY, THERE ARE CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD FOR THAT.
I'M NOT SURE A QUARTER MILE IS, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE LIKE 10 MILE.
I THINK LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW HOW HOUSES ARE LOCATED.
YOU COULD HAVE TWO ON A STREET THAT MAY BE 500, 800, 1200 FEET LONG.
YOU STILL COULD HAVE A ONE OR TWO.
BUT I THINK, I THINK SET A QUARTER MILE AND THEN, AND THEN EVALUATE ON THE CASES WHERE YOU WANT SOMEBODY COMING IN AND, AND THEY'RE INSIDE OF THAT FAR A QUARTER MILE.
IT'S A, IT'S A 10,000 FEET, HALF MILE, HALF MILE, QUARTER MILE, FOUR MILES.
THEY TOO CLOSE TOGETHER OR 80.
WHAT TRYING TO DO HERE, ONE WHAT MAKE SURE THESE HOMES STACK THIS PART MIGHT LOOK AT IT.
I THINK YOU'RE LIKE A THOUSAND, I THINK IT'S 2000.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GOTTA LIVE IN 3000 FEET QUARTER MAKING A THOUSAND FEET.
SO A QUARTER MILE 12 IS 12 FEET.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D, THAT'D BE GOOD.
QUARTER MILE THAT, THAT EVOLVED.
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IT AVOIDS US HAVING TO DRAW CIRCLES AROUND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COUNTY.THEN WE GET INTO THE WHOLE QUESTION DOES, IF CROSS THE WATER DOES A KIND OF, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHEN IT COMES TO US, WE CAN DECIDE LIKE, OKAY.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A CONSIDERATION OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE IT A HARD AND FAST MOVE CONSIDERATION? WE WANT, WE WANNA MAKE IT A CONSIDERATION.
BUT, BUT IT SETS AN EXPECTATION THAT WHAT PEOPLE FOR.
AGAIN, THIS NEXT STEPS KIND OF PREDICATE ON THE SENATE BILL AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
UM, IF IT DOESN'T GET SIGNED, THEN WITH THESE DRAFTS, WE WOULD EARLIER, YOU CAN, CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
WE'LL PROBABLY TAKE THAT BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO Y'ALL.
UM, SINCE IT REPRESENTS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED, SO, ALL RIGHT.
UM, QUICK REMINDER CURRENT CASE IS TEARS STONE.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR TO THERE DONALD NEWSOM ON APRIL 16TH.
THAT'S FOR TOURIST HOME ON WILKINS DRIVE.
UM, AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO OUTSTANDING, I MENTIONED HOPE EARLY LAST TIME.
THAT WAS HEARD BY PC ON AUGUST 9TH.
UM, THERE'S A NEW ONE TOO, MR. HOWARD.
IT WAS HEARD BY PC THE LAST MARCH.
SO JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU A HEADS UP.
SO IF, IF THE SENATE BILL IS PASSED, AND MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT WE'LL DO IS WITHOUT MAKING CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCES, BRING YOU BACK A POLICY DOCUMENT MM-HMM.
THAT YOU COULD ADOPT AND THEN WE CAN STILL GIVE THESE CONSIDERATIONS TO AN APPLICANT.
AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU ALL, AS THE BOARD WILL BE LOOKING AT, WE WILL PROBABLY BE THE OUTCOME.
BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED A GOOD READOUT FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ON, ALRIGHT, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THIS MEANS, OR THIS IS WHAT LEEWAY YOU HAVE AND THEY DIDN'T BOTHER TO DEFINE THAT.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN DEFINE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS PERMUTATION.
SO THEN THAT WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO SET FORTH IN THE POLICY DOCUMENT.
WELL THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU, SIR.
THANKS FOR INCORPORATING ALL THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS REAL QUICK FOR ANYBODY? NO, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MAP AND THINGS THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THAT BILL WOULD BASICALLY MAKE OWNER OCCUPIED WELL DONE STR BY.
BUT, BUT, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A S USE PERMIT ANY OTHER SCENARIO OTHER THAN OWNER OCCUPIED.
BUT, BUT THEN YOU ARE ALSO START QUESTIONING WHAT WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY OWNER? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OCCUPIED? SO WE HAVE TO DEFINE THAT.
SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, UM, OWNER OCCUPIED.
WOULDN'T THAT MEAN IT'S, UH, LESS OF WHOLE HOUSE? YEAH, IT WOULD IF AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT IS OCCUPIED? WHAT IS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE? I MEAN, CAN YOU, YOU CAN BE IN A PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND GO LIVE IN, BE IN PARIS SIX MONTHS.
MAY WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEFINE THAT AND YOU'RE NOT LETTING ADJACENT.
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SO MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.WE HAVE THREE ITEMS, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING, HOUSE AND CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM, ANNUAL FUNDING RENEWAL GRANT, APPLICATION FOR EMERGENCY HOME REPAIR PROGRAM, ENDORSEMENT OF FAIR HOUSING AND PRINCIPLE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ONE OF THE FOUR ITEMS THEY WANT TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? NO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OF THE FOUR ITEMS THEY WANT TO PULL FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION? I'LL MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SO WE HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HEARING NONE.
I THINK THE ONLY OTHER DISCUSSION I HAD IS I THINK THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES AND MAYBE THE RED DIRT, UH, ROAD, UH, CASE THAT WE HEARD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO MIGHT FALL UNDER ONE OF THESE AND WE'VE GOT SOME ACTION UNDERWAY WITH THE COUNTY TO, UH, TO EVALUATE.
FOR THE GRANT FOR THE EMERGENCY HOME REPAIR.
WELL, IT COULD BE EMERGENCY HOME REPAIR.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO OPEN DISCUSSION.
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I GOT A FEW THINGS START DOWN HERE.I'M GLAD THEY BROUGHT THESE THINGS UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE CAN SEE THIS ON THE TV OR NOT, BUT THE, THE DAILY PRESS.
I, I THOUGHT THIS, THIS WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU GET THE COLOR.
AND I, I'M ASSUMING YOU GET THIS ONLINE ALSO.
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UH, BUT I JUST, I GET THE PAPER 'CAUSE I LIKE THE, THE CONTACT.BUT IT DID, IT LAYS OUT WHAT THIS BOARD'S GOING TO, WHAT THIS BOARD'S GONNA LOOK AT.
AND THERE WERE FOUR OF 'EM JUST LAID OUT HERE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE DEALS THAT THE 16TH, THERE COULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
THAT SECONDARY ROAD PROGRAM, WHICH IS A NOTHING BURGER AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN LOT OF MONEY.
BUT WE USE THAT MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR.
UH, ANOTHER ONE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HERE IS, GUESS WHAT? IT'S GONNA BE THE PERSONAL OR THE PROPERTY TAXES.
IT SAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT ON THE 16TH.
ANOTHER ONE WE TALKED ABOUT UP HERE IN THE CORNER THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THE, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE THE, UH, RATES FOR THE, FOR GARBAGE COLLECTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT'S ALL LAID OUT FOR YOU TO SEE IT.
AND THEN THIS OTHER ONE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM TALKS ABOUT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL USE PERMITS AND SPECIAL OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA.
I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS LAID OUT REALLY WELL.
AND, UH, AND IF THE PUBLIC NORMALLY, AND I'M BEING RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE WITH THE PUBLIC, I NORMALLY DON'T PICK THESE THINGS UP AND READ IT, BUT WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION IS IT SAID YOUR COUNTY LAYOUT.
AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
I WANT TO PASS THIS OUT TO THE, MY FELLOW SUPERVISORS HERE.
UM, WHAT THIS IS OVER THE YEARS, WHEN WE GET DOWN TO BUDGET TIME, UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE GET, FOLKS WILL COME UP AND THEY'LL, AND YOU'LL JUST HEAR THE PERCENTAGES AND THIS AND THAT PERCENTAGE.
AND PEOPLE WILL TRY TO COMPARE STUFF AND WE END UP, I MEAN, AT ONE TIME I ACTUALLY IN MY DISTRICT FORMED A, UH, COMMITTEE TO, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.
FORMED A COMMITTEE AND THE PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER AND THEY REALLY GOT INTO IT.
NOT ONLY DID THEY DO THE COUNTY BUDGET, THEY ALSO DID THE SCHOOL BUDGET ONLY TO BE FRUSTRATED, TO SAY THE LEAST.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE SIT THERE, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET, YOU'RE GONNA GET BOMBARDED, UH, WITH, AND WE GET BOMBARDED WITH NUMBERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE FY UH, 25 INCREASES.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES HAS GONE FROM FI UP TO $15.3 MILLION.
UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT COMPLETELY CORRECT BECAUSE YOU GOTTA THROW IN THE JAMES CITY COUNTY CONTRIBUTION.
SO WHEN YOU GET THROUGH THIS, YOU SAY THE FY BUDGET OR, OR 8.8%, TWO POINT MILLION DOLLARS OF THIS IS FROM JAMES C COUNTY TO 9 1 1.
AND THEN YOU GOT THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU START DOING APPLES TO APPLES, YOU HEAR THIS APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
AND THEN YOU START SEEING THINGS LIKE THE BUDGETARY INCREASE IS 12.5 MILLION OR 7.2%.
THEN YOU GET A THING LIKE, OKAY, THE REAL ESTATE, I LOVE THIS ONE.
THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024 IS ON AVERAGE 20.4%.
AND THEN WE HEAR PEOPLE CAN PAY, I CAN'T PAY 24 POINT 0.4%, BUT WE LOOK AT A TAX RATE INCREASE OF 15.6%, ANOTHER PERCENTAGE.
AND THEN WE GET, WE START TALKING ABOUT PROPOSED TAX RATE TO THE LOWER RATE.
WHEN WE'RE GONNA GO FROM, FROM, THAT'S PROPOSED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FROM 77 TO 74%.
OKAY? THEN YOU GET, IT GIVES YOU A REDUCTION OF, OF, OR 3.9% DECREASE.
UM, AND THEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE TOTAL REVENUE TAX ESTATE, UH, REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE INCREASE IS 10.9%.
WELL, HELL, BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH THIS, YOU'RE SO CONFUSED.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND, AND I, AND I JUST FIND THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EMAILS.
THERE'S, THERE'S ARGUMENTS ABOUT NOT APPLE TO APPLES COMPARISON AND WHATNOT.
HOW MUCH DO YOU ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE OUTTA YOUR POCKET? OKAY, NOW YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER? I SAID TO REMEMBER, WHAT WAS IT, 300 CHANGE? ACTUALLY IT WAS FOUR 10 BUCKS.
REMEMBER, YOU'LL REMEMBER 360.
SO WE, I SAID, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DEAL WITH? WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AVERAGES.
IF YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA MESS WITH THIS.
YOU GOT, YOU TRY TO GET A PERSPECTIVE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT? AND WORKING WITH THE STAFF, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS FOR US.
AND NOW YOU HAVE THE DATA, BUT EDGE HILL, MAGICALLY EDGE HILL, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF CO UH, UH, COOK ROAD, RIGHT OFF 17, WHICH IS RIGHT UP CLOSE TO HERE.
THE PARK IS A, UH, PROBABLY REPRESENTS THE HOMES IN THERE.
REPRESENT THE MEDIUM, UH, ASSESSED VALUE.
NOW WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT HALF THE HOMES IN YOUR COUNTY ARE GONNA BE LESS THAN, AND HALF THE OTHER HALF'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THE EDGE HILL.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE REAL ESTATE
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TAX INCREASE BASED ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WHAT'S GONNA COME OUTTA YOUR POCKET ON AVERAGE IS $386 A YEAR ON THE TAX INCREASE RIGHT NOW, BASED ON IT'S $386 A YEAR, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ABOUT, UH, WELL, WE GOT, OH, ALSO WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT MAYBE THE, YEAH, THE VEHICLE LICENSE FEE IS GONNA COME OUT ASSUMING YOU HAVE TWO CARS.OKAY? THAT'S WHAT THIS BUDGET RIGHT NOW WE'LL DO.
SO FOR SOME PEOPLE, $28 IS A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY A MONTH.
ALRIGHT? UH, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S NOT MUCH.
SO HOMES IN, IN, I THINK IN YOUR COUNTY THAT GET A TAX BREAK ON SOME FORM OR ANOTHER, BUT WE GOT 24,000 HOMES IN YOUR COUNTY.
I HOPE I'M USING THE CORRECT NUMBER.
AND SO THAT MEANS THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE, THERE'S GONNA BE MONEY, YOU'RE GONNA GET A TAX INCREASE, ALRIGHT? ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IT'S GONNA BE A TAX INCREASE.
NOW WE, WE CAN ADJUST IT, WHATEVER, BUT IT'S STILL GONNA BE A TAX INCREASE.
AND, UH, SO I, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IF I HAD TO TELL PEOPLE SOMETHING, THEY, THERE'S $340 GONNA COME OUTTA YOUR WALLET ON AVERAGE AND IT'S AVERAGED ABOUT $28 A MONTH.
NOW WHAT'S NOT HERE IS, YOU REMEMBER I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS LITTLE PIECE OVER HERE, THIS ONE PART ABOUT THE GARBAGE COLLECTION I, I WAS THINKING OF, BUT YOU HIT NEXT, NOW YOU JUST ADD THIS TO IT.
THAT'S ANOTHER, WHAT, FOUR 10 BUCKS OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDED TO THAT.
SO YOU'RE, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING GARBAGE COLLECTION, UH, WHICH MOST PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE TO HAVE WITH, UH, THE RECYCLING, SO YOU'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER BY DOUBLE THIS? YES.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS BUDGET GETS DOWN TO IS ABOUT, ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIX, $700, NOT ONLY FOR THIS, BUT WITH OUR ENTERPRISE FUND.
WHICH YOU HAVE AN OPTION OUT OF THIS ONE.
THIS ONE YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPTION OUT OF.
SO I'VE JUST TRIED TO PUT THAT IN SOME PERSPECTIVE.
SO, SO WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE ON TV, OR WHEN PEOPLE COME DOWN AND TALK TO US, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUESTION OF HOW MUCH MONEY'S COMING OUTTA YOUR POCKET.
ALRIGHT? UM, AND ONE OTHER THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT THIS IS LESS THAN WHAT MOST OF THE GOVERNMENTS, ALMOST ALL THE GOVERNMENTS HERE, EXCEPT FOR I THINK WE SAID ISLE WHITE AND UH, UH, WILLIAMSBURG, ALL THE OTHERS ARE GONNA BE, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA GO TAKE MORE OUTTA YOUR POCKET.
BUT TO PAY FOR THE SCHOOLS TO PAY FOR OUR OPERATIONS, UH, FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
SO I WAS JUST WANT THAT TO ME, I THOUGHT WAS TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT, PUT IT IN SOME WAY THAT'S RELATIVE.
YOU COULD SAY, I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBER AND DIDN'T, THAT CHANGE IS $28 AND 30 CENTS.
IF YOU SAVE $30, THAT'S A DOLLAR A DAY.
HOWEVER YOU TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S, IT'S WHAT COMES OUTTA YOUR POCKET.
UM, ONE IS, I, I'M HOPING THAT ALL MY CONSTITUENTS IN SEAFORD ARE HAPPY THAT THEY'RE FINALLY GRINDING THE ASPHALT IN FRONT OF SEAFORD ELEMENTARY TO GET THAT ASPHALT DOWN THIS WEEK, LORD WILLING, WHILE THE SCHOOLS ARE CLOSED.
UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE QUITE A FEW LAST PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE IS, I TALKED TO MARK TODAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EV STATIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, HE'S SAYING THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A POSSIBLE GRANT TO ADD MORE EV STATIONS AND, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN THAT WE'RE SUPPLYING FREE ELECTRICITY.
THAT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT IF WE START ADDING A BUNCH OF EV UH, CHARGERS THAT, UH, WHY IS IT THAT SOME PEOPLE GET TO HAVE FREE CHARGE AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T, CAN'T AFFORD AN EV OR DON'T, THEY DON'T GET AN EV UM, THEY DON'T GET THAT SAME BENEFIT.
SO MY SUGGESTION TO MARK IS THAT WE, THE NEW ONES COMING ON, WE GET THEM WITH THE CARD READER AND PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO CHARGE THEIR EVS.
SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST PUT THAT ON THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, AND CERTAINLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE, ONE THING TO, AS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS DISCOVER WHAT THE BREAK EVEN POINT IS AND THE COSTS IT COSTS US TO DO THE BILLING.
NOW IT WOULD COST US MORE TO CHARGE PEOPLE FOR IT RIGHT.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO YOU GET ABOVE THAT AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WANNA START APPLYING THE CARD READER? SO ALSO THE NEW STATIONS, IF THEY GET 'EM FREE, THEY GENERALLY REQUIRE THAT THE, THAT WE PROVIDE ELECTRICITY.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
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INSTALLED.AND THEY, BECAUSE THEY, THAT WAS PART OF THE STIPULATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT FUTURE STIPULATIONS WOULD BE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO VERY, UH, SLOW CHARGING EV CHARGERS.
SO THE AMOUNT YOU ACTUALLY USE IN TERMS OF CURRENT IS VERY LOW.
SOME OF THE NEW ONES MAY BE HIGHER.
OR FASTER CHARGING RATES AND THEN IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO CHARGE.
MM-HMM,
THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT ALSO.
RIGHT? WELL THE THING ABOUT THAT IS IF WE'RE SUPPLYING THE, THE BOX, IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST THE NET ZERO FOR US, EXCEPT FOR THE BACKEND BILLING COMPANY THAT CHARGES UP TO PROCESS THE PAYMENTS.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE NET ZERO.
SO IF IT COSTS $5 FOR THE PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA PAY AT LEAST $5 TO CHARGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
IT'S ELECTRICITY IS FOR THE, THOSE CARS ARE PROBABLY MINIMAL AT TIMES.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE, I'M SAYING ALL THE CONSTITUENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO GET FREE ELECTRICITY IN NOR COUNTY.
MR. I'M STILL LOST IN, UH, MR. SHEPHERD'S DISCUSSION ABOUT MY TAX RATE BEING EQUAL TO MY GARBAGE RATE.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VISIONS AND PICTURES THAT COME TO MIND WHEN I, WHEN I SEE THAT.
UM, I NOTICED SOME OF YOU WOULD SEND EMAILS OUT TO, UH, OUR LIBRARIAN.
AND I WANNA SAY THAT I THINK IT'S PRETTY SPECIAL WHEN YOUR PEERS GIVE YOU AN AWARD.
AND I REALLY WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR THE COUNTY AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A GOLD AWARD THIS TIME.
AND I ALSO, I THINK IT'S SUPER THAT ONE OF YOUR STAFF ALSO GOT AN AWARD FOR TWO THINGS THAT SHE DID, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, I THINK A PEARL DE LOGAN DESERVES A SOMETHING
FOR, FOR THE ONES BECAUSE SHE DID IT.
SHE GOT THE, WHAT DID SHE GET? SHE GOT THE, UM, UH, AWARD FOR EXEMPLARY STAFF MEMBER AND THEN SHE HAD TWO PROGRAMS. ONE WAS AN ADULT PROGRAM ON, UM, MYSTERIES, MYSTERIES FOR TWO.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT ALSO COMES FROM THE LEADERSHIP THAT SHE HAS.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP BECAUSE YOU NURTURE YOUR PEOPLE AND GAVE, GAVE HER THE, UM, FREEDOM TO USE YOUR OWN INITIATIVE TO COME UP WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SPECIAL AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE LIBRARY.
SO I'M SORRY THAT I MISSED THE MYSTERY PROGRAM, BUT BEING ONE WHO LIKES TO READ MYSTERIES, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
SO I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO ADDRESS A PAIN POINT OF PARTICULAR HERE.
THESE PAST FEW WEEKS, UH, PROBABLY IN MY DISTRICT, PROBABLY IN DISTRICT THREE AS WELL, MAYBE LESS SO DISTRICT ONE, FIVE AND TWO.
SO, UM, WELL I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT IN OUR, OUR AREAS WHERE WE'RE CLOSE TO THE WATER AND LOW LINE AREAS, IT'S UH, IT'S EVEN MORE EXACERBATED BY THAT.
SO, UM, NOW THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS, UM, COUNTY CERTAINLY ISN'T STAFFED TO GO AND MANAGE ALL THE DITCHES, NOR DO WE WANT TO EXPEND THE MONEY AND, AND STAFF AND, AND EQUIPMENT TO DO SO.
UM, UH, AND THAT IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF VDOT, BUT NEITHER IS VDOT FUNDED ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALL THE DITCHES, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE RAINFALL THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY HERE.
UM, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, I I AM IN A LOT OF CONTACT WITH THEM.
I'M HAPPY THAT SO FAR THEY, THEY ARE STILL TAKING MY CALLS AND MY TEXT MESSAGES.
UM, THEY HAVEN'T BLOWN ME OFF COMPLETELY
UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE OPEN UP OR THE WORK TICKET ORDERS, WORK ORDERS AND OPEN TICKET, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO THAT 'CAUSE THAT GETS YOU IN THE QUEUE.
AND, AND THEY'LL HAVE THE, THE WORK.
BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT LAST TIME I SPOKE TO THE, UH, MR. RAWS, OUR SUPERINTENDENT OUT OUTTA SEAFORD, WHO HIS CREW DOES EVERYTHING THEY CAN WITH LIMITED BUDGET AND SAP, LAST TIME I SAW HE HAD, HE HAD A, HE HAD A BOOK ABOUT THAT THICK OF WORK ORDERS THAT WENT BACK PROBABLY TWO YEARS.
UM, AND THEY WORK ON 'EM AS, AS PRIORITY BASED PROJECTS.
THE WORST ONES GET MORE ATTENTION.
UM, AND THEN HE COMES BACK AND GETS, GETS TO THE ONES, ONES HE CAN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO, NOT TO GIVE ANYBODY A PASS, BUT
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THEY, THEY ARE ADDRESSING 'EM AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN.IF THEY'RE NOT IN YOUR AREA, THEY'RE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S AREA.
UM, UM, YOU CONTINUE GIVING US FEEDBACK OF WHERE WE CAN HELP OUT.
UM, AGAIN, WITH CONTINUOUS CONTACT WITH THEM AND TRYING TO DIRECT THEM AND THEN PLEASE HELP OUT HERE, PLEASE HELP OUT THERE AND SO FORTH.
IT'S GONNA BE CONTINUED TO BE A PAIN POINT JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN LOW LINE AREAS.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE GET MORE THAN 1% GRADE OUT OF A DITCH MAN, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A WIN AROUND, AROUND HERE.
AND IT'S, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ANY MORE GRADE THAN THAT.
IT'S HARD TO GET GOOD DRAINAGE.
SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE, I KNOW THE PAIN POINT.
IN FACT, I WAS WORRIED THAT THE OTHER DAY MY, MY OVERFLOW FROM MY FRONT FRONT DITCH WAS GONNA MAKE, MATCH THE OVERFLOW IN MY BACKYARD AND I'LL GET OVER WITH A HOUSEBOAT
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO IT AS BEST WE CAN.
I KNOW SOMETIMES THE COUNTY OF STAFF CAN JUMP IN AND EMERGENCY CASES TO HELP OUT, BUT AGAIN, WE JUST, WE'RE JUST NOT STAFFED TO PICK THAT WORK UP ALTOGETHER.
SO CALL THE MOAT, CALL MO MOAT.
AND YOU KNOW, I WAS PUT SOME CROCODILES IN IT AND SOME
UM, WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY TO, UM, MOVE INTO CLOSED
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SESSION.UH, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I NOTICED THAT CLOSED SESSION WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
SO IT REALLY WASN'T PUBLICIZED AHEAD OF TIME, WHEREAS IT SHOULD BE.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO, BUT I WAS GOING SO, SO GOOD POINT TO THAT.
SO QUESTION, IS THERE FOR SOMETHING PROCEDURALLY WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T ADVERTISED IN ADVANCE OR ARE WE OKAY TO MOVE IN A CLOSED SESSION? PERFECTLY FINE.
LET ME GO AHEAD AND MOVE THIS.
UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE ENC CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MAN MATTER INVOLVING, UH, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S NEXT.
THE LEGAL MATTERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION, UH, TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON A SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTER REQUIRING PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY COUNSEL.
THERE'S NO PERSONAL, NO PERSONNEL, RIGHT? NO PERSONAL.
JUST THE LEGAL MATTER, RIGHT? JUST THE MATTER.