[1. Call to Order]
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I CALL TO ORDER THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.UM, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, AND ARE ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
UH, SECRETARY ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
IF WE PLEASE STAND FOR THE P OF ALLEGIANCE, MY PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – February 14, 2024]
OKAY.MOVING TO OUR LAST MEETING MINUTES.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, CONDITIONS, DELETIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
I EITHER ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MOVE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.
THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 2024.
NOW WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZENS' COMMENT.
UH, THIS IS A TIME FOR YOU TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD? OKAY.
UH, HAVING SEEN NONE, UH, WE WILL NOW
[Application No. YVA-54-24, York County Board of Supervisors: Request for Yorktown Village Activity approval, pursuant to Section 24.1-327(b)(3) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize an increase in lot coverage for the proposed replacement of the existing dockmaster and bathroom buildings within a single structure in the Yorktown village on a 1.1-acre parcel (GPIN P12d-3106-1058) located at 425 Water Street (Route 1002). The property is zoned YVA (Yorktown Village Activity) and is designated Yorktown in the Comprehensive Plan.]
MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.UH, STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS.
UH, THEN WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWED BY CITIZENS' COMMENTS.
HEY, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR YVA APPROVAL TO AUTHORIZE AN INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA AND A HEIGHT THAT EXCEEDS 25 FEET FOR THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE AND RESTROOM BUILDINGS WITHIN A SINGLE STRUCTURE AT 4 25 WATER STREET.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS OCCUPIED BY A 372 SQUARE FOOT DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE AND A 500, I'M SORRY, 705 SQUARE FOOT PUBLIC RESTROOM BUILDING IS A 1.1 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED YVA FOR YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY AND DESIGNATED YORKTOWN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THE NORTH ARE THE RIVERWALK LANDING SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS, THE FREIGHT SHED AND THE AUXILIARY FREIGHT SHED BUILDING TO THE EAST IS YORKTOWN BEACH, AND THE YORK RIVER TO THE SOUTH IS THE ARCHER PARKING LOT, WHICH IS OWNED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
AND TO THE WEST ARE THE YORKTOWN PUB LARRY'S LEMONADE, THE YORKTOWN BEACH HOTEL, AND AN EMPTY LOT USED FOR EVENTS.
SO I WANTED TO START BY GIVING YOU SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, BOTH THE CURRENT DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE AND THE ADJACENT PUBLIC RESTROOM BUILDINGS WERE BUILT IN THE 1970S.
THE DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE WAS ORIGINALLY USED AS A SUMMER LIFEGUARD BUILDING.
TODAY IT SERVES NOT ONLY AS THE DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE, BUT AS A DEFACTO INFORMATION CENTER BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY BUILDING WHERE VISITORS CAN SPEAK WITH COUNTY STAFF ON THE RIVERFRONT.
OH, BECAUSE THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR SEASONAL USE, IT LACKS CLIMATE CONTROL.
THE ABSENCE OF HEATING AND THE AGE OF THE PIPES MEAN THE RESTROOMS MUST BE CLOSED FOR UP TO FIVE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR TO PREVENT THE PIPES FROM FREEZING AND BURSTING.
FURTHERMORE, THE RESTROOMS DO NOT MEET AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OR A DA, UH, STANDARDS BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT WELL BEFORE THE ACT WAS PASSED.
UH, FOR THESE REASONS, COUNTY STAFF PROPOSED A COMBINED NEW FACILITY TO REPLACE THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS IN ITS 2018 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.
THE NEW TWO STORY FACILITY WOULD HOUSE THE DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE AND PUBLIC RESTROOMS, UM, BUT WHAT ALSO SERVE AS A TOURISM INFORMATION CENTER.
IN JUNE OF 2023, THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE, OR HYDC REVIEWED THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND VOTED TO
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DENY THE PROPOSAL DUE IN LARGE PART, TO CONCERNS OVER THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.FOLLOWING THE DENIAL BY THE HYDC AND A SUBSEQUENT DENIAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, STAFF HELD A PUBLIC FORUM TO GAIN INPUT ON THE APPROPRIATE DESIGN.
BASED ON THAT INPUT, STAFF DOWNSIZED THE DESIGN TO A ONE STORY BUILDING AND PROPOSED A SEPARATE BUILDING BEHIND THE RIVERWALK LANDING PARKING TERRACE TO HOUSE THE INTENDED FUNCTIONS OF THE PREVIOUSLY PLANNED SECOND STORY.
THE SECOND BUILDING WOULD SERVE AS A WATERFRONT OPERATIONS STAFF BUILDING, AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SEPARATE YVA APPLICATION FOR IT, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT.
SO NOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE, I'LL DISCUSS, UH, STAFF'S CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS.
UM, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR YVA APPROVAL TO AUTHORIZE AN INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA FOR THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES A PROPOSED ENLARGEMENT OR EXPANSION THAT WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE OF 25% OR MORE IN FLOOR AREA SHALL BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURES.
FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS, THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WOULD BE, UH, 796 SQUARE FEET LARGER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, WHICH REPRESENTS AN APPROXIMATE 74% INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA.
THE APPLICATION ALSO REQUESTS YVA APPROVAL FOR A HEIGHT THAT EXCEEDS 25 FEET.
THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS 23 FEET AND 10 INCHES.
HOWEVER, THE DESIGN INCLUDES A CUPOLA, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL HEIGHT TO 30 FEET AND THREE INCHES.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE STIPULATES THAT THE HEIGHT OF ANY STRUCTURE SHALL NOT EXCEED 25 FEET.
HOWEVER, THE BOARD MAY AUTHORIZE A GREATER HEIGHT AFTER AN EVALUATION OF THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, THE SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURE PROPOSED, AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON ANY SCENIC VIEWS OR VISTAS.
SO WITHOUT THE CUPOLA, THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING DOES NOT EXCEED THE 25 FOOT LIMIT.
HOWEVER, THE HYDC EVALUATED TWO VERSIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING LAST MONTH, ONE WITH THE CUPOLA AND ONE WITHOUT THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO APPROVE THE VERSION OF THE BUILDING WITH THE CUPOLA CITING THE DESIRE FOR CONFORMITY WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL VERNACULAR OF THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES.
MANY OF THE STRUCTURES IN THE ADJACENT RIVERWALK LANDING FEATURE, CUPOLAS AND HEIGHTS THAT EXCEED 25 FEET.
BECAUSE THE CUPOLA IS A NARROW FEATURE, STAFF BELIEVE IT WOULD NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE VIEW.
AND DUE TO THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED NATURE OF YORKTOWN, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT NEVER HAD A DESIGNATED PARKING LOT.
LIKEWISE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT INCLUDE PARKING.
VISITORS OF YORKTOWN OFTEN PARK IN ONE OF THE ADJACENT OR NEARBY PARKING LOTS, AND THEN WALK TO THE BEACH, RESTAURANTS, MUSEUMS, AND SHOPS.
PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE NEARBY RIVERWALK LANDING PARKING TERRACE, THE ADJACENT ARCHER PARKING LOT, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND SPECTRUM PARKING LOTS, THE PARKING LOT BEHIND YORK HALL AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, ET CETERA.
ALL THE PARKING AREAS ARE SERVED BY THE YORKTOWN TROLLEY, WHICH RUN MOST OF THE YEAR.
SO THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A VARIETY OF LAND USES, WHICH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AND COMPLEMENT THE UNIQUE CHARACTER AND, UH, AND VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE, AND PROMOTE AND IMPROVE LEVEL OF AMENITIES.
THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE WOULD IMPROVE THE LEVEL OF AMENITIES BY ADDING A DA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS TO THE WATERFRONT, AND BY SERVING AS A CENTRAL LOCATION WHERE VISITORS CAN ACCESS SERVICES AND INFORMATION.
BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL WOULD REPLACE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES WITH A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE USED FOR LARGELY THE SAME PURPOSE.
STAFF BELIEVES THE USE REMAINS APPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION.
THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD REPRESENT A 74% INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA, MOSTLY BECAUSE THE NEW BUILDING WOULD FILL THE GAP BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES.
UM, A PORTION OF THE RIVER WOULD STILL BE VISIBLE THROUGH THE BUILDING'S, WINDOWS AND DOORS, BUT FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF LEAVES THE INCREASE IN FLOOR AREA WOULD HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE VIEW AND CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND FINALLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A, A BUILDING HEIGHT THAT IS FIVE FEET AND THREE INCHES TALLER THAN THE 25 FOOT REQUIREMENT STIPULATED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOF LINE ONLY REACHES A HEIGHT OF 23 FEET AND 10 INCHES.
AND THE, UM, AND ONLY THE APPROXIMATELY SIX FOOT WIDE CUPOLA EXTENDS BEYOND THE REQUIREMENT.
STAFF BELIEVE THE IMPACT WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.
FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH SIX.
AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND OUR, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, JUST ONE.
UH, IT'S SHOWING GLASS ON THE FRONT END.
YOU SAID YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THE BUILDING, SO I'M ASSUMING IT IS A GLASS ON BOTH SIDES AND CLEAR OPEN SPACE IN BETWEEN? YEAH.
YEAH, THERE, UH, WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, THROUGH THOSE WINDOWS AND THROUGH THE GLASS DOORS.
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NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN OUT THERE.PRESENTING THESE THINGS,
I, I JUST WANTED TO, I THINK I GOT MY, MY COMMENTS, MY THOUGHTS CLARIFIED, UH, EARLIER, BUT, SO THE DOCK MASTER BILL IS REALLY GONNA BE A VISITOR CENTER FOR THE MOST PART, AN A DA COMPLIANT RESTROOM, A LITTLE VISITOR CENTER.
AND THE DOCK MASTER ROOM OFFICE IS STILL GONNA BE VERY SMALL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS.
IT'LL BE A, A PUBLIC RESTROOM.
THE A DA ACCESSIBLE, UM, THE DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE AND, UH, A VISITOR CENTER.
MY THOUGHTS RAN ALONG THE LINES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A DOCK MASTER DOES EXACTLY, BUT I THINK HE HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH A LOT OF BOATS AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BOATS OUT THERE ON THE DOCK MOST OF THE TIME.
SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF CONFUSING TO ME A LITTLE BIT UNTIL I REMEMBERED, OR SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT'S GOTTA BE A DA COMPLIANT RESTROOM.
AND THE VISITORS CENTER KIND OF THING.
AND OUR DOCK MASTER IS HERE TONIGHT, SO HE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR HIM.
IS UH, SO THE RESTROOMS RIGHT NOW HAVE EXTERNAL ACCESS, RIGHT.
WILL THEY HAVE EXTERNAL ACCESS TO THIS BUILDING OR WILL YOU HAVE TO ENTER THIS BUILDING TO ACCESS THE RESTROOMS? NO, THERE WILL BE EXTERNAL ACCESS.
UH, I UNDERSTAND CAPTAIN, UH, SCRUGGS IS HERE, UH, WANT TO ADDRESS US AS THE APPLICANT AND A REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE, UM, 10 MINUTES, INCLUDING ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND YOUR NAME, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY ADDRESS IS 5 8 8 1 BLACKBERRY LANE, GLOUCESTER, VIRGINIA 2 3 0 6 1.
UH, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF BOATS ON THERE RIGHT NOW FOR THE, FOR THE WINTER SEASON, BUT I ALSO WORK WITH THE ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.
I DO ALL THE US COAST GUARD PERMITTING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
A LOT OF THAT HAS TO BE DONE SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE FOR THE FIREWORK SHOW, THE TUGS AND BARGES, AS WELL AS ANY OTHER EVENTS.
I ALSO HELP OUT WITH, UH, THE RESTROOM QUESTION YOU HAD.
THERE ARE MOST, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESTROOMS WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER FROM THE OUTSIDE, INSIDE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A FAMILY RESTROOM THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SECURE AND PRIVATE, SO A FAMILY CAN GO IN THERE AND USE THAT.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS THE A DA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS, AND THE OTHER HALF IS A VISITOR CENTER FOR INFORMATION.
THE DOT MASTER ALSO GETS, AND WE ALSO, UM, DO FIRST AID AS WELL FOR MINOR, FOR MINOR THINGS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, SIR.
UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION HAVING SEEN NONE.
UH, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN DISCUSSION OF COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT.
UH, LOOKING OVER THE PLANS, I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY, ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS.
IT'S GONNA MEET THE USE THAT THEY NEED OUT THERE AND, UM, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH, UH, CUPOLA GOING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
MY, MY QUESTIONS HAD BEEN ANSWERED AND, UH, THANKS.
UH, CAPTAIN, I COULD TURN MY MIC ON.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION OF SOME OF MY COMMENTS AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
ANY OTHER, MY ONLY COMMENT IS GREATLY IMPROVED FROM THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, SO I THINK IT'S GOOD WORK.
UH, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I RECOMMEND WE SEND PC 24 DASH SIX TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
WHO, WHO, UH, SECOND THE MOTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD TO DO THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW WE, WE'D NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
ONE WE'RE, THE MOTION BY MR. COER IS TO ADOPT PCE 24 DASH SIX TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A YVA APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING DOCK MASTER AND BATHROOM BUILDING AT 4 25 WATER STREET.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN AND MADAM, JUST FOR YOUR PROCEDURE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE A HAVE A SECOND TO YOUR MOTIONS.
THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM IF SOMEONE DOES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
[Application No. YVA-53-24, York County Board of Supervisors: Request for Yorktown Village Activity approval, pursuant to Section 24.1-327(b)(2) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize an approximately 1,860-square foot office building in the Yorktown village on portions of three parcels located at 104 Buckner Street (GPIN P12c-2475-1295), 110 Buckner Street (GPIN P12c-2400-1197), and an unaddressed property (GPIN P12c-2424-1337) on Buckner Street (Route 1007). The property is zoned YVA (Yorktown Village Activity) and is designated Yorktown in the Comprehensive Plan.]
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NEXT UP.HEY, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR YVA APPROVAL TO AUTHORIZE A NEW OFFICE BUILDING ON PORTIONS OF FOUR PARCELS LOCATED AT 1 0 4 1, 1 0, AND TWO UNADDRESSED PROPERTIES ON BUCKNER STREET.
THE SUBJECT PARCELS ARE LOCATED IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED YVA FOR YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY AND DESIGNATED YORKTOWN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDE THE RIVER WALK, LANDING PARKING TERRACE, BEN AND JERRY'S ICE CREAM SHOP, AND AUNTIE M'S.
UH, AMERICAN COTTAGE SHOP TO THE NORTH AND A DETACHED GARAGE WITHIN THE KICHAK WATCH SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST.
THE 1,860 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED STRUCTURE WOULD BE LOCATED DIRECTLY BEHIND THE RIVERWALK LANDING, UH, THE RIVERWALK PARKING TERRACE.
UM, AND HERE'S A CONCEPT RENDERING OF IT.
UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR YVA APPROVAL TO AUTHORIZE A NEW USE IN THE YVA ZONING DISTRICT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE STATES ANY PROPOSED NEW USE OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS OR ANY SUBDIVISION OF LAND SHALL BE APPROVED ONLY BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURES FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE SHALL BE NO MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE YVA DISTRICT.
PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT YARDS AND SETBACKS OF AN APPROPRIATE DIMENSION SHALL BE PROVIDED WHERE DETERMINED NECESSARY BY THE BOARD TO ENSURE ADEQUATE EMERGENCY ACCESS, LIGHT AND AIR TO PROTECT THE VALUE AND UTILIZATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ADJACENT PROPERTY, AND TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING WOULD SPAN PORTIONS OF THREE PARCELS, AND THE PROPOSED RETAINING WALL IS PLANNED TO OVERLAP EXISTING PROPERTY LINES.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPT PLAN, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO VACATE FOUR PROPERTY LINES, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE NECESSARY EMERGENCY ACCESS, LIGHT, AND AIR AROUND THE STRUCTURE.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE PROPOSED OFFICE WOULD HAVE SPACE FOR THREE FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS, AND A BREAK ROOM FOR WORK IS REQUIRED.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD NOT GENERATE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING BECAUSE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS STAFF ARE ALWAYS DIRECTED TO PARK AT YORK HALL OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING.
SO THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A VARIETY OF LAND USES, WHICH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO AND COMPLIMENT THE, THE UNIQUE CHARACTER IN VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE AND PROMOTE AN IMPROVED LEVEL OF AMENITIES.
THIS PROPOSAL ORIGINATED FROM CITIZEN INPUT THAT SUGGESTED WATERFRONT OPERATIONS BE HOUSED IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OF THE SECOND STORY OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING, SO AS TO PROTECT THE RIVER VISTAS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN VILLAGE CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD'S OBJECTIVES RELATED TO THE ENHANCEMENT OF TOURISM.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD FUNCTION AS A HUB FOR MANAGING THE LOGISTICS FOR WATERFRONT OPERATIONS AND EVENTS AND MONITORING THE AREA FOR IMPROVED PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH FIVE.
THANK YOU, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, OUR APPLICANT IS HERE TO MY LEFT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. A? YOU GOOD MORNING.
UH, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY EQUIPMENT STORAGE OF ANY KIND IN THIS BUILDING? UH, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE STORAGE THERE, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE STORED.
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
AND THERE, AND OUT OF THAT 1800 SQUARE FEET WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, 1800 SQUARE FEET IS A LOT, A LOT OF SPACE FOR THREE EMPLOYEES.
SO I, I SAID, WELL, SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE DONE BECAUSE A OFFICE SPACE FOR AN EMPLOYEES ABOUT TWO TO 300 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING A RESTROOM AND BREAK AREA.
SO THAT'D BE ONLY ABOUT 600 TO 900 SQUARE FEET FOR THE THREE EMPLOYEES THAT LEFT AROUND SAY, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FOR EVENT WORKERS.
SO THAT'S A LOT FOR EVENT WORKERS.
AND SO I GUESS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO IN THERE AND THEY'LL DO THE RESTROOM AND HAVE A BREAK AND THEN GO BACK OUT WHENEVER THE EVENTS HAPPEN.
SO THERE, THERE IS A BREAK ROOM FOR WORK AS REQUIRED EMPLOYEES.
THERE IS ALSO GOING TO BE, UM, UH, LIKE A LOGISTICS ROOM, LIKE A COMMAND CENTER WHERE THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, MANAGE EVENTS FROM AND WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN COME, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MANAGE THOSE BIG EVENTS.
UM, AND ALSO THERE'S GONNA BE A COMPUTER ROOM WHERE, UH, WORK IS REQUIRED.
EMPLOYEES CAN DO THEIR REQUIRED TRAININGS, CHECK, EMAIL, UM, PLACES FOR THEM TO STORE THEIR THINGS.
UM, I'M TOLD THAT THEY CAN HAVE UP TO
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25 WORK AS REQUIRED STAFF ON THE WATERFRONT, UM, ON BUSY DAYS.SO, YEAH, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE TO ME, THEY TOOK THE SECOND STORY OF THESE FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED, TOOK THE SECOND STORY, PICKED IT UP, MOVED IT OVER TO THE PARKING LOT ABOVE IT, AND PLOPPED IT DOWN.
AND THEN THEY DECIDED WHAT THEY'RE GONNA FILL IT IN WITH.
AND IT'S, IT JUST KIND OF BOTHERED ME.
UH, AND THE OTHER THING IN YOUR WRITEUP, IT SAYS THE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO USE LIKE THE PARKING LOT BEHIND HERE IN THE VARIOUS PARKING LOTS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT DO YOU, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
ONCE THE EMPLOYEES GET USED TO HAVING A PARKING SPOT RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR OFFICE, THAT'S THE ONE THEY'RE GOING TO USE AND NOT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
AND THEY HAVE TO WALK FIVE MINUTES TO GET TO THEIR OFFICE.
JUST NATURE AS BEING LIKE IT IS, I KNOW EXISTING, THEY HAVE, THEY WALK DOWN THERE, THEY WALK, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE A PARKING LOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE THEY WORK NECESSARY.
AND THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES, THEY'RE WORKING DOUBLE BOOKED, I GUESS, SOMEWHERE.
RIGHT? SO THEY NEED A NEW FACILITY.
1800 SQUARE FEET FOR THE THREE EMPLOYEES IS A LOT, IN MY OPINION, YES.
ALL OF THAT SPACE WOULD NOT BE FOR THE THREE EMPLOYEES.
IT WOULD BE USED FOR ALL OF THE OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT I HAD MENTIONED.
AND AS FAR AS PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, THE, THIS IS FOR THE, UM, ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT STAFF.
UH, AND THEIR, ONE OF THEIR MAIN FUNCTIONS IS TO, UM, DRIVE TOURISM TO YORK, UH, YORKTOWN AND, UM, CREATE AND MANAGE EVENTS THERE.
SO IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST TO HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THESE, UH, EVENTS THAT THEY CREATE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF WE LOOKED AT OTHER SPACES TO, TO PUT THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RESTAURANTS ARE, ARE HALF OCCUPIED, UM, SEEMS TO ME TO BE A LOT OF EMPTY SPACE, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
DID, DID THAT, THAT GET LOOKED AT AT ALL, UM, THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? I'M NOT AWARE.
UH, WE DON'T REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO SUBMIT, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER SITES THAT THEY HAD LOOKED AT BEFORE THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION TO US.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SHED LIGHT ON THAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, MY, MY ONLY COMMENT FROM A LAND USE THIS IS OKAY, BUT FROM A TAXPAYER STANDPOINT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW BIG THIS, UM, THIS FACILITY IS AND WHY WE AREN'T TRYING TO FIT IT IN ELSEWHERE.
AND, AND I'VE VOLUNTEERED HERE AT THE 4TH OF JULY AND I, AND I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND RESTROOMS AS A VOLUNTEER.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SUPPORTING A BIG EVENT IN NEW YORKTOWN, UM, YOU NEED A PLACE TO GO WHERE YOU CAN COOL OFF.
AND, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SIDE OF IT, AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW VOLUNTEERS THAT, THAT WORK, THOSE EVENTS.
I JUST THINK WE CAN PUT IT IN, IN A SMALLER AND EXISTING SPACE, IS MY ONLY COMMENT.
UH, I THINK YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT IT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, CORRECT.
BUDGET ALREADY AND HAS BEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS PART OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING AND ET CETERA.
AND SO THEY MAY HAVE ADDED OR NOT, THESE KINDS OF THINGS, ONCE THEY GET INTO A BUDGET, THEY HAVE A LIFE OF THEIR OWN IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T DOWNSIZE THEM.
YOU CAN'T CANCEL 'EM, YOU CAN'T MOVE THEM, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
ALSO NOTED THAT, UH, IN, IN THE WRITEUP THAT THIS PROPOSAL, UH, ACTUALLY ORIGINATED FROM CITIZENS' INPUT, UM, ON WHERE TO CITE THIS AND FOR WHAT ITS USE IS.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE AS WELL.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF? UH, IF NOT WE'LL OPEN, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK THE APPLICANT, UM, CAPTAIN YOU'RE BACK.
YOU STILL AT THE SAME ADDRESS? YES, SIR.
BUT, UM, SPEAKING TO THE OWNER THAT THEY WILL BE OPENING UP THIS YEAR BACK AS RIVER WALK RESTAURANT IN FULL CAPACITY FOR, UM, VISITORS.
SO HE'LL BE USING THAT WHOLE RESTAURANT NOT JUST FOR SPECIAL EVENTS OR MEETINGS.
IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON A DAILY BASIS WITH HOURS JUST LIKE THEY USED TO BE.
UM, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU OH, SO THE, THE MAIN BUILDING, NOT JUST THE THREE OFFICE SPACES.
SO WHEN WE CAME OVER TO YORKTOWN AND HAVE THE BUILDING AT 1 21 ALEXANDER HAMILTON STREET, IT WAS JUST THE DEPARTMENT OF TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE COMBINED THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO NOW WE ARE THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.
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SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAD FIVE PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THERE IN THE ADMIN BUILDING THAT CAME OVER TO OUR BUILDING.I PREVIOUSLY HAD AN OFFICE UP THERE THAT I WOULD GO IN THE WINTERTIME 'CAUSE THE DOCK DOES NOT HAVE HEAT AND AIR, BUT TO MAKE ROOM, ADEQUATE ROOM, I HAD BEEN DOWN THERE FULL-TIME IN THE DOCK OFFICE ALL YEAR FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.
UM, AND WE HAVE THREE ROOMS THAT ARE, HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS IN EACH OFFICE UP THERE RIGHT NOW WITH AT LEAST ONE POSITION THAT HAS NOT BEEN FILLED THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'LL HAVE FOUR PEOPLE DOUBLE BOOKED IN EACH ROOM.
SO THE SPACE IS DEFINITELY NEEDED DOWN THERE FOR ANY TYPE OF GROWTH WE HAVE.
AND FOR OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, UM, ESPECIALLY JULY 4TH, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS THAT ARE SECURE AND SECURE LOCATIONS.
AND HAVING THAT ROOM TO GET IN THERE TO A SECURE LOCATION, NOT JUST TO GET OUT OF THE HEAT BUT TO MAKE SAFETY SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND CHALLENGES WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO DO AS WELL AS OUR WORKERS REQUIRED.
RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN PUT THEIR PERSONAL ITEMS BESIDES IN THEIR CAR AND WHETHER IT'S A PURSE THAT A LADY MIGHT HAVE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT.
SO WE HAD LOOKED AT MAYBE HAVING SOME SMALL LOCKERS AND STUFF IN THERE WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEIR STUFF BESIDES SITTING OUT IN THE OPEN IN THEIR CARS.
UM, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR LUNCH BREAKS AS WELL.
USUALLY THEY'LL EAT 'EM ON THE WATER OR IN THEIR CAR 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PROPERLY SIT DOWN.
THAT'S OUR WORKERS' REQUIRED STAFF.
THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING HAS A LITTLE BIT LESS STORAGE AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT, THAT WE STORE.
UM, JUST LAST YEAR I HAD A VESSEL COME IN THAT SPILLED 68 GALLONS OF DIESEL FUEL INTO THE RIVER.
WHILE SINCE I SAW THAT I HAVE THE OBLIGATION UNDER MY CAPTAIN'S LICENSE TO REPORT TO THE EPA AND TO JUMP IN.
SO I GRABBED OUR OIL CONTAINMENT BOOMS AND PUT 'EM AROUND THERE CALLED THE EPA.
AND IF I HAD NOT DONE THAT MYSELF, THE COUNTY AND THE GENTLEMAN WOULD'VE GOTTEN FINED $148,000.
BUT I RESPONDED SO QUICKLY THAT WE GOT A REALLY GOOD BILL AND OR CHARGED NOTHING.
AND I PAT ON MY BACK SAID WE DID ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING RIGHT.
SO ALL THAT EQUIPMENT, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION THAT WE GET DOWN IN DOWN THERE, NEEDS TO BE STORED DOWN THERE.
UM, AS WELL AS FREIGHT SHED STUFF, WE DO HAVE SOME STORAGE FOR THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE THE MAIN KIND OF HUB FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN TO FILL OUT THEIR FORMS AND, AND RENT AND STUFF TO SEE THE FREIGHT SHED OR TO COME IN TO FILL OUT A FORM TO GET TO RENT IT OR TO SEE AVAILABILITY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
OH, THE LAST THING ABOUT THE PARKING IS EXACTLY LIKE, LIKE SHE STATED, I, WE ALL PARK UP THE HILL AND WALK DOWN BECAUSE WE WANNA FIT AS MANY CARS AS WE CAN FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND PEOPLE THAT WANNA COME SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTY AND SEE THE GREAT EVENTS WE PUT ON.
SO WE, WE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S PARKED AWAY FROM THERE.
SO THE CLOSEST SPOTS ARE FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING TO, TO VISIT OUR EVENTS.
I JUST HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT IN MY 40 SOME YEARS OF, OF WORKING WITH GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EMPLOYEES.
THEY, THEY ALWAYS PARK AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR AS THEY CAN POSSIBLY GET.
MY WIFE ALWAYS WONDERS WHY I GET 15 TO 20,000 STEPS A DAY AND I TELL HER I WALK EVERYWHERE.
UH, SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, UH, SOUND UP LOU HARDING.
MY ADDRESS UP HERE IS 1 0 3 KISKI WATCH, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A HOUSE THAT I LIVED IN UNTIL I MET A REALLY NICE SHORT COUNTY GUY AND GOT MARRIED AND MOVED DOWN TO ACROSS FROM THE POWER PLANT ON WORMLEY CREEK.
BUT I RENT OUT MY HOUSE AT 1 0 3 KISKI KK WATCH.
WE MAY MOVE BACK THERE WHEN HE GETS TIRED OF TAKING CARE OF A BIG YARD.
SO I'M REAL INTERESTED IN WHAT HAPPENS UP HERE.
MY MAIN QUESTION IS MY BASIC IRISH SCOTTISH BACKGROUND, WHICH IS A MILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK THAT I'VE HEARD THAT THIS BUILDING IS GONNA COST ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE ALL SAT DOWN, CITIZENS AND WORKERS STAFF SAT DOWN AND CAME UP WITH, WE NEED THESE FUNCTIONS, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING LESS EXPENSIVE TO MANAGE THOSE FUNCTIONS THAN TO SPEND THE MILLION DOLLARS.
I, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXPENSES THAN I AM ABOUT THE LOCATION.
AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY WILL MAKE SURE IT LOOKS FINE AND FITS IN WITH THE HISTORICAL ATMOSPHERE LIKE OTHER THINGS DO.
BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MONEY AND COULDN'T WE SPEND THAT MONEY MORE WISELY NOW THAT I GO TO WORMLEY CREEK, I DRIVE UP AND DOWN GOODWIN NECK ROAD ALL THE TIME AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME.
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ONLY LIVED HERE 10 YEARS AND IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO DISCOVER THAT BACK BEHIND THOSE TREES OFF OF GOODWIN NECK.THERE'S A WHOLE COUNTY, UH, AREA OF BUILDINGS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS, Y'ALL AND THEY'RE NOT ON THE BEACH.
WE NEED SOME THINGS ON THE BEACH, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE PUT THERE.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU 300, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT? 800 SQUARE FEET PER EMPLOYEE FOR THREE.
I JUST KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T BE MORE EFFICIENT IN SPENDING THE COUNTY MONEY.
WE GOT A LOT OF NEW BUILDINGS THAT SHARES BUILDING ENOUGH IS BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN HERE.
UH, DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNED UP.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS APPLICATION? CAN YOU JUST SEE AGAIN ONE MORE TIME PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU CUT? CAN WE SEE A PICTURE OF IT AGAIN VERY QUICK AND I YOU SEE IT PLEASE? SURE.
AND THIS IS FACING WHICH WAY TOWARDS THIS IS, THIS IS, UM, IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE, UM, PARKING LOT, UM, LOOKING UP THE HILL, UP HILL, OKAY.
AND THIS MEETING IS NOT ABOUT, MA'AM, YOU CAN, YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO COME FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
I JUST NEED TO GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UM, TERRY HUDSON, 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.
UM, I JUST WAS CURIOUS AS TO THE DESIGN PART OF IT WILL BE AT ANOTHER MEETING.
IS THAT RIGHT OR ARE WE ALL THROUGH THAT? WELL, THE HYDC REVIEWED IT IN FEBRUARY AND THEY APPROVED IT.
I'M, I HAD TO MISS THAT WHEN I WAS OUT OF TOWN.
UM, SO, UM, I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE PAST THAT.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SPACE.
UM, AND I KNOW WE DO A LOT OF EVENTS DOWN IN THE AREA AND THERE'S A LOT OF EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE HEARD, AND I DON'T KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE APPLICANT.
ISN'T THE COUNTY THE APPLICANT KIND OF SORTA, SO CAN WE HEAR WITH THEM FROM THAT PERSON WHO'S REPRESENTING THE COUNTY OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THERE? OR DO WE NOT HAVE AN INTERNAL DESIGN YET OF THE STRUCTURE? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE AN INTERNAL FLOOR DESIGN OF THIS BUILDING YET.
UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HIRED AN ARCHITECT TO DO IT.
BUT WE'VE, THIS BUILDING IS ACTUALLY THE SAME BUILDING THAT BEN AND JERRY'S IS IN.
THIS IS THE, THAT EXACT BUILDING.
WE JUST HAVE USED THAT AS A GUIDE FOR NOW.
SO IT MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
THE INTERIOR WILL DEFINITELY CHANGE.
IT WILL JUST DEPEND THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WON'T CHANGE WITH THE INTERIOR.
WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE.
BUT IT WILL HAVE OFFICES, UH, SMALL, PROBABLY LESS THAN 600 SQUARE FEET I WOULD IMAGINE OF OFFICE SPACE IN THERE.
AND THEN THE REST WOULD BE FOR THE LOGISTICS SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT SHERIFF'S BREAK ROOMS FOR THE AMBASSADORS, UM, AND THEN STORAGE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY USE AT THE RIVERFRONT.
I I ABSOLUTELY, I HAVE NO QUALMS ABOUT THAT.
I GUESS I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KIND, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE TWO WOULD BE IN TANDEM, THE INTERNAL AND THE EXTERIOR.
SO I COULD SEE HOW, WAIT A MINUTE, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT WINDOW THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HVAC'S GONNA BE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS THIS, IT WILL NOT BE TWEAKED.
YOU'LL WORK WITHIN THIS DESIGN NO MATTER WHAT.
AND THAT'S USUALLY THE PROCESS.
I, I JUST THOUGHT I, YOU KIND OF WORK THE TWO IN TOGETHER KIND OF SORTA IS MY QUESTION, BUT JUST THOUGHT I'D PUT THAT BETTER.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE ONES THAT THE, WE DON'T HAVE THE TWO STORY DOWN THERE.
THE DOCK MASTER NEEDS THE SPACE.
WE DO NEED A PLACE FOR A DA COMPLIABLE AND, UM, UH, VISITORS SO THEY CAN GET INFORMATION.
I WOULD JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR MESH DID, YOU KNOW, FORM AND FUNCTION.
UH, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS APPLICATION? UH, HAVING HEARD NONE, WE'LL CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN UP FOR COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT.
SO WE'LL POINT OUT THAT THE, UM, THE DRAWING YOU HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW DOES NOT REFLECT THE RETAINING WALL THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF IT, WHICH YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE ON THE SIDE OF THAT PICTURE, CORRECT? UM, I DON'T SEE ONE ON THERE.
UH, I KNOW THAT'S, I KNOW, BUT THERE'S ONE ON THE, ON THE, UM, LAYOUT PLAN.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, I SUSPECT IT'LL BE THERE
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YES.SHOWN HERE ON, ON THIS DRAWING.
NO, I'M, I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THIS AND, UH, I HAVE NO, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'VE KIND OF VOICED MY OPINION SO FAR.
I, I WAS DOWN THERE TODAY AND I STOOD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT, ALTHOUGH IT SAID, DO NOT ENTER, YOU KNOW, I JUST BROKE AND WENT ON IN THERE AND STOOD THERE AND LOOKED UP THERE AND TRIED TO SEE THIS BUILDING VISUALIZED UP THERE.
IT, IT DID NOT, UH, SIT WELL WITH ME.
JUST THE VISUALIZATION OF THE BUILDING IN THAT HILL AND THE WALKWAY DOWN AND THE TRAFFIC GOING AROUND UP THERE, IT JUST, IT, IT DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
SO, YEAH, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
I THINK IT NEEDS, SAY IT NEEDS TO BE REVISED AND PUT SOME MORE MEAT ON THESE BONES BEFORE WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A HARDLY EVEN A SKELETON OF, OF WHAT IT COULD BE AND WHAT'S GONNA GO INTO IT AND HOW IT'S GONNA OPERATE AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA KEEP PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN FRONT OF IT AND RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I THINK EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY WELL COVERED.
I WILL ADDRESS THAT, THAT AS A COMMISSION.
WE, WE DON'T, UH, GET INTO THE COST.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW.
WE'RE, WE'RE HERE FOR THE PLACEMENT AND TO ENSURE WE'RE WITHIN THE ZONE, UH, AND THE COMP PLAN.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T, WE'RE NOT ESCAPING, SCRATCHING OVER THAT.
UH, AND WITH THAT, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL MOVE PC TWENTY FOUR FIVE.
THE MOTION BY MR. WASMER IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH FIVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A YBA APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE AN OFFICE BUILDING ON BUCKNER STREET.
[Application No. UP-1028-24, John and Cheryl Howard: Request for a Special Use Permit to authorize the establishment of a tourist home, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 1, No. 6) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, on a 3.3-acre parcel (GPIN M10b-2734-4679 ) located at 104 Mays Landing (Route 1033). The property is zoned R13 (High-Density Single-Family Residential) and is designated High Density Residential in the Comprehensive Plan.]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION.I BELIEVE THIS IS, UM, FOR TOURS HOME.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING.
THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED IN A THREE POINT 27 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE SUNSHINE ACRE SUBDIVISION AND IN THE LACKEY AREA OF THE COUNTY TWO MILES AWAY FROM NAVAL WEAPONS STATION.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GREEN AREA, WHICH IS ZONED FOR RESOURCE CONSERVATION
THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER TO RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISE OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE WHILE RENTAL RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SHOWN HERE AND MR. HOWARD LIVES IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, UM, SEEN HERE TO THE LEFT.
THE APPLICANT RESIDES APPROXIMATELY ONE MINUTE AWAY FROM THE HOME AND 0.2 MILES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND HE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
THIS IS A PICTURE STANDING EAST OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST.
THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND ANOTHER VIEW ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE BACK, UM, OF THE HOUSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS PLENTY OF PARKING SPACE HERE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST FOUR CARS.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOUR CARS PARKED.
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UM, BUT THIS IS MORE PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.THE FIRST FLOOR HAS APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET.
IT HAS A LIVING ROOM, HALF BATH, KITCHEN, DINING ROOM, AND SITTING ROOM.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE AVAILABLE UP TO SIX GUESTS AT A TIME, INCLUDING UP TO TWO CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM TWO TO 14 NIGHTS.
THE SECOND FLOOR HAS APPROXIMATELY 900 SQUARE FEET.
IT HAS THREE BEDROOMS. ONE BEDROOM HAS TWO TWIN BEDS, AND THE OTHER TWO BEDROOMS HAVE KING SIZE BEDS.
UH, THERE ARE TWO BATHROOMS AND EACH BEDROOM HAS A CLOSET.
THE HOUSE ALSO HAS A BASEMENT, BUT, UH, THE BASEMENT IS OFF LIMITS TO GUESTS.
STAFF HAS PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOURIST HOME TO BE RENTED AS A WHOLE HOUSE.
THE RENTAL OF INDIVIDUAL ROOMS IS PROHIBITED WITH AN OCCUPANCY OF UP TO SIX GUESTS, INCLUDING UP TO TWO CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF TWO NIGHTS AND A MAXIMUM OF 14 NIGHTS.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT, UM, STATED HE DOES NOT WISH TO HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME.
THEREFORE, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM.
THIS IS A SKETCH FROM MR. HOWARD OF THE, UM, THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ALL PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME TO BE MAINTAINED OFF STREET AND THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE, ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
MR. HOWARD, UH, PROVIDED THIS SKETCH OF THE PARKING AREA.
THE DRIVEWAY IS 548 FEET LONG, UH, VARYING IN WIDTH FROM 12 FEET TO 32 FEET, AND IS CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING AT LEAST SIX VEHICLES.
UH, THOUGH ALREADY REQUIRED BY CODE STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM OF FOUR OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A SINGLE, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS A DAY.
WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ARE TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY.
AND, UH, OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE ACCORDING TO 2021 V ESTIMATES.
THIS SECTION OF SUNSHINE WAY CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 280 VEHICLES PER DAY.
GIVEN THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS GENERATED BY SIMILAR USES AND THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL DAILY ON THIS SECTION OF SUNSHINE WAY, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD CREATE A NOTICEABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
THE APPLICANT OFFERED SOME PROVISIONS IN HIS NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
THE PROPERTY IS EQUIPPED WITH A SECURITY CAMERA THAT NOTIFIES HIM OF ANY MOVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
PO UH, PARTIES, EVENTS AND CORPORATE USE OF THE HOME WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
QUIET HOURS WILL BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM IF APPROVED.
A PROPOSED CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION HE SUBMITTED.
FIRING LIFE SAFETY RECOMMENDS THE DRIVEWAY SHALL BE A TOTAL OF 16 FEET IN WIDTH.
WHILE STAFF DID NOT INCLUDE THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, SINCE IT IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING FROM THE DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY REQUIRE THIS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.
THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN
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THREE MILES OF TWO EXISTING TOURIST HOME STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER TOURIST HOME IN THE AREA IS NOT LIKELY TO DEGRADE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO CON THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 24 DASH THREE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO JUST, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, IF, IF HE SELLS THE HOUSE THAT HE'S LIVING IN NOW, OR SHE SELLS THE HOUSE THAT'S LIVING IN NOW, THEN THIS PERMIT GOES AWAY WITH THAT? YES.
IF THEY, IF THEY NO LONGER LIVE AT THE, THE SECONDARY LOCATION, THE PERMIT GOES AWAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THERE WAS OTHER TOURIST TONE IN THE AREA.
OH, I KEEP FORGETTING HIS MIC.
PULL YOUR, PULL YOUR MIC DOWN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? UH, THE, THE TOURIST HOMES THAT ARE IN THE AREA ARE OVER THREE MILES AWAY.
ONE, IN THE NARRATIVE, THE FIRE AND SAFETY LIGHT RECOMMENDS THE DRIVEWAY SHALL BE A TOTAL OF 16 FOOT WIDE, AND YET YOUR VERBAL HERE SAID 12 FOOT WIDE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S TRUE FIRE? SURE.
SO FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, WHAT THEY WANT IS, UH, THEY RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT WIDEN THEIR, UH, DRIVEWAY TO 16 FEET, MEANING, UM, 12 FEET AND WIDTH.
AND THEN THEY CAN ADD TWO FEET OF SHOULDER TO EACH SIDE TO TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT.
AND WE NORMALLY REQUIRED THAT OR RECOMMENDED THAT FOR TOURIST HOMES.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN TOURIST HOMES THAT HAVEN'T, UM, HAD THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND SO TH THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO MR. HOWARD? WELL, THE ZONE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, WAS CHANGED A FEW YEARS AGO.
WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S LONGER THAN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, IT HAS TO MEET, BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, A FIRE APPARATUS.
IS SUPPO SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOW, ALLOWED TO GO DOWN IT? SO I GET MY WORDS OUT.
UH, THEY NEED 16 FEET TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE A FIRE TRUCK BACK ALONG ON A LONG DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT WAS PUT IN THE ORDINANCE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE THAT ORDINANCE WAS IN EFFECT.
UH, BUT, UH, WE FELT BECAUSE IT'S ASKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU ALL MAKE IF YOU WOULD WANT TO REQUIRE HIM.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NOT PUT IT IN AS A REQUIREMENT.
UH, THEY JUST PUT IT IN AS A RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD SUGGEST THE, WE MAKE IT A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT PUTS IN THERE AS A CONDITION.
BUT ANYWAY, SECOND QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE WRITEUP.
AGAIN, I'LL JUST READ IT VERBATIM.
THE PROPOSED, THIS IS ON THE RECOMMENDATION, THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN THREE MILES OF TWO EXISTING TOURIST HOMES.
AND IT WAS, IS WITHIN FIVE MILES RADIUS OF TWO TOURIST HOMES.
IS THAT A CONFLICT? IS IT THREE MILES OR FIVE MILES, OR IS IT THE SAME THING, JUST LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENTLY? WELL, I MEAN, UM, THERE ARE TWO HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN THREE MILES AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE WITHIN FIVE MILES.
I DIDN'T PUT IT, UH, PUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO STICK TO THE ONES THAT WERE CLOSER, CLOSEST TO THE HOME.
SO THERE'S TWO WITHIN THREE AND THREE WITHIN FIVE AND WITHIN FIVE.
YEAH, THE WRITEUP IS JUST NOT, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND I'LL, WE'LL, IN OUR DISCUSSION, I'LL BRING THE OTHER THING UP.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IF A, IF A NEW HOUSE WERE BUILT TODAY AND IT HAD A DRIVEWAY THAT LONG, WOULD IT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 16 FOOT DRIVEWAY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ONE, CAN YOU BRING UP THE PHOTOS FROM THE FACING AWAY FROM THE HOUSE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
AND WHILE SHE BRINGS UP THAT PHOTO, I THINK THE RADIUS QUESTION IS THERE ARE TWO WITHIN THREE MILES AND THEN THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL WITHIN THE FIVE MILE.
SO IT WOULD BE FOUR WITHIN FIVE MILES.
SO FOUR TOTAL WITHIN FIVE MILES.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION.
SO THE NEXT PICTURE, SO YOU SAID THIS IS FROM THE, THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M ASSUMING THIS IS AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY, NOT FROM THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
THIS RIGHT HERE WHERE THE CURSOR'S AT, THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU SEE THE RESIDENCE FROM THAT POSITION THERE THROUGH THE WOODS, DOWN THE DRIVEWAY? UH, IF YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU WILL NOT BE, SEE, YOU WON'T
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SEE ANYBODY.UM, BUT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO OBVIOUSLY IN THE BEGINNING OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALL THESE HOMES.
BUT ONCE YOU ARE INSIDE, UM, THE 548 FEET DRIVEWAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANY OF THESE, UH, HOMES.
AND CONVERSELY, YOU WON'T SEE THAT HOUSE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HOME FROM THIS STREET.
YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT? NO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT.
UM, UM, THIS IS A BETTER, THIS IS A BETTER PICTURE.
UM, SO THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY, THIS IS WHERE I TOOK THAT PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE HOUSE.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T SEE A LOT.
AND IT'S MOSTLY WOODED IN THE GREEN AREA, CORRECT? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, I'LL OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? WE COME FORWARD AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME, UH, ADDRESS, AND YOU'LL HAVE UP TO, UH, 10 MINUTES, SIR.
UH, CAN WE GET YOU BY THE MICROPHONE, SIR? I'M SORRY.
THE, UM, YEAH, JOHN HOWARD AND MY WIFE CHERYL.
WE LIVE AT, UH, 2 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, WE JUST BOUGHT THIS BACK IN OCTOBER.
UH, WE BOUGHT, UM, WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT, IT WAS 3 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY WHEN WE BUILT THE PROPERTY, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY 40 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.
UM, I GOT SOME NOTES HERE AND I, I'M REALLY, UH, IF I CAN HAVE TIME TO READ THIS.
IT'S NOT VERY LONG, BUT IT, IT JUST GOES WITH EVERYTHING.
UM, WE DECIDED BECAUSE OF OUR AGENT, EVERYTHING, WE HAD TO DOWNSIZE THE HOUSE AND THE BACK IS THREE STORIES AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF UP AND DOWN AND ALL THE BEDROOMS ARE UPSTAIRS, AND SO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THAT HOUSE IS SOMETHING I BUILT WITH MY WIFE AND MY THREE GIRLS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE WILL KEEP IN THE FAMILY FOR, I HOPE, FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN.
ANYWAY, UM, WE BUILT THE HOUSE IN 1982 AT 3 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY.
UH, AT THAT TIME, UM, THE DRIVEWAY SEEMED TO BE FINE.
IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THEN.
UM, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WENT DOWN THERE FOR INSPECTIONS AND EVERYTHING, AND NOTHING WAS EVER MENTIONED ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY BEING TOO SMALL OR NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AGO, UM, MAY'S LANDING WAS BUILT EIGHT YEARS AGO.
WELL, EIGHT YEARS AGO, MAY'S LANDING WAS BUILT AND THE CHANCE I ADDRESS FROM THAT, UH, FROM UH, 3 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY TO 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING.
UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY ENDED UP PUTTING IN THE APRON FORCE AND EVERYTHING FOR US TO GET BACK.
AND IT TOOK PART OF OUR ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS EVEN LONGER.
AT ONE TIME I WORKED FOR DOMINION POWER FOR, UH, UH, 30, 40 SOMETHING YEARS, OR 30, 35 YEARS, I THINK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND ANYWAY, UH, I, I HAD A BUCKET TRUCK THAT I HAD TO USE TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ROAD, WHICH I USED IT AT THE HOUSE SOMETIMES.
UH, I'D BRING IT HOME AND GET IT BACK.
SO THEN, THEN AFTER THAT, UM, I PURCHASED, I MEAN, I DIDN'T PURCHASE, I STARTED A COMPANY, BUCKET TRUCK COMPANY DOING SIGN LIGHTING, YOU THE STREET LIGHTS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE PET BACK AND FORTH ON THAT ROAD ALL THE TIME.
UH, AFTER I RETIRED FROM DOMINION POWER, I WORKED FOR EG MILTON FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, AND ON THAT, I, I RAN CREW FROM MR. MILTON WHO WORKED FOR, HE WORKED FOR DOMINION POWER.
BUT SEVERAL TIMES WE HAVE HAD ON THAT ROAD, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THIS ASPHALT NOW, BEFORE IT WAS GRAVEL, IT WAS ASPHALT.
I FORGOT HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, I, WE USED THAT FOR STAYING HERE A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION.
WE COULDN'T GET THE TRUCK BACK TO A CERTAIN PLACE.
IT WASN'T VERY LONG, BUT IT HAPPENED ON A COUPLE OCCASIONS.
BUT THAT THEN IT HAD, IT, IT HAD TWO BUCKET TRUCKS WITH TRAILERS.
ONE ALLER TRUCK WITH A POLE TRAILER, ONE STREET LIGHT BUCKET TRUCK, ONE UNDERGROUND TRUCK.
UM, WE HAVE HAD DOWN THAT ROAD, UM, PROPANE TRUCKS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, FIRE TRUCKS.
THE CAMPER, WHICH WAS 34 FOOT, UH, LONG AND NINE FOOT WIDE, SAID EVERYTHING'S GOT DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
UNTIL THIS ISSUE OF US WANTING TO DO A VACATION HOME, THE COST FOR US.
AND I'VE PUT OUT SOME FEELERS TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST.
UM, AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BACK THAT'S CONCRETE.
ONE GUY TOLD ME JUST TO GRAB ALONG OF HIM TO DO IT.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONLY PART OF IT.
I HAD TO DO ALL THE DIRT WORK OR I HAD TO GET THAT DONE.
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SO, I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY ASTRONOMICAL.AND IF YOU WANT THE ASPHALT, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
I, WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED.
I'VE PROVEN THAT TRUCKS CAN GET DOWN THERE AND GET OUT WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TREES THAT NEED TO BE MOVED.
I THINK THERE'S TWO OR THREE TREES THAT WE NEED TO CUT THAT WOULD'VE POWELL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT, UH, WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON US.
AND IF WE DO THIS, THEN WE PROBABLY WOULD ELIMINATE FROM HAVING TO, UH, UH, HAVE A VACATION RENTAL.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO STATE THAT THIS IS A FAMILY HOME.
OUR CHILDREN COME HOME AND STAY THERE AT CHRISTMAS AND SPEND THE NIGHTS AND THEIR CHILDREN HAVE A PLAYHOUSE.
THIS IS A HOME WE HOPE TO KEEP IN OUR FAMILY, BUT TO HELP ACCOMMODATE OUR SECOND HOME ON SUNSHINE WAY, WE FELT LIKE A VACATION RENTAL WOULD HELP DO THAT.
UM, AND LIKE HE SAID, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF VEHICLES DOWN THERE, A LOT OF LARGE VEHICLES WITH NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER.
AND SO WE KINDA ASK FOR YOUR LENIENCY ON THIS MATTER.
YES, WE JUST, WE, WE JUST HOPE THAT YOU WILL.
UH, AND WE'VE ALREADY PROVEN THAT YOU CAN HAVE BIG TRUCKS DOWN THERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD 'EM IN AREA BEFORE.
MANY OF 'EM, UH, WE, WE JUST HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE THIS APPLICATION AND NOT INSIST THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A, UH, WIDER DRIVEWAY IN BECAUSE WE, WE COULD NOT AFFORD IT.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAD ONE QUESTION.
YOU SAID YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, LARGE TRUCKS DOWN THERE.
IT, YOU HAVE A CIRCLE IN AN AREA, YOU CAN TURN THE VEHICLES AROUND AT THE END, CORRECT? WE DO.
IT'S, IT'S A ASPHALT DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND AND A BIG APRON THAT THEY CAN PARK ON AND EVERYTHING AFTER IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO IF THERE WAS A FIRE TRUCK THAT COULD ACTUALLY TURN AROUND IN THAT CIRCLE.
NOPE, I, WE'VE HAD 'EM DOWN THERE BEFORE, SIR.
NOW THE PROBLEM GETTING IT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM WITH THE DRIVER, BUT NOT WITH THE DRIVEWAY
SO THE CIR CIRCLE SEEMS TO WORK FOR 'EM.
I DROVE BY YOUR HOUSE THAT PLACE TODAY, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW A LITTLE RED SUBARU, BUT ANYWAY, WE DROVE UP, I DROVE UP AND TURNED AROUND THIS VERY BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOME OUT THERE AND BACK.
OUR DAUGHTER'S LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, WELL, IF I DISTURBED HER, I APOLOGIZE.
WE JUST, WE JUST DROVE AROUND AND SAID, I GOTTA LOOK WHERE THIS IS AT AND HOW THIS IS GONNA OPERATE AROUND.
TOMORROW I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE, UH, FIVE SIGNATURES, UH, FROM ADJOINING NEIGHBORS.
SPECIFICALLY, SIR, I WAS, I WAS INTERESTED IN 1 0 8, WHICH I SAW THAT YOU HAD THAT SIGNATURE ON, BUT TWO 10, WHICH IS THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY, UH, ADJACENT TO THE HOME.
WAS THERE WELL, WELL THE, THE SIGNATURES WE GOT WERE THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BACKED UP TO THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONES WE GOT THE SIGNATURES ON.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT WAS NEEDED.
OUR PROPERTY ACTUALLY RUNS OVER MORE THAN THIS IS SHOWING.
IT GOES BEHIND THOSE TWO HOUSES TO THE RIGHT OF THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THAT EMPTY PLACE, IT SAYS 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR PROPERTY.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ONE THAT'S TO THE RIGHT OF 2 0 8.
BUT THAT, THAT'S GOOD ON THAT.
I I NOTICED THAT YOU ALSO SAID THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO USE A, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, ENTITY.
UH, I, I MAY BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GETTING OLDER.
I, I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THIS STUFF LIKE I USED TO.
SO MOST LIKELY WE WANT TO HAVE TO GO WITH SOMEBODY THAT CAN DO IT FOR US AND KEEP ALL THE RECORDS STRAIGHT AND ALL THE MONEY, HOPEFULLY STRAIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PAY 'EM TAXES.
SO WHAT WOULD, WHAT, DO YOU HAVE A TARGET AUDIENCE FOR THIS? WELL, WE'RE NOT PARTY PEOPLE.
WE LIKE, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, FAMILY, JUST, YOU KNOW, FAMILY, REGULAR PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, TOURIST FAMILY.
AND THERE'S SO MANY AREAS AROUND THAT THEY CAN GO TO.
I, I, I THINK WE'LL DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH IT, BUT WE, I GUESS WE GOTTA WAIT AND SEE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU SIR.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, THE COMMISSION ON THIS APPLICATION? HAVING SEEN NONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION TO, AM I RIGHT? SO TO, TO GET CLARIFICATION.
THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION, NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT IS, AM I READING CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY AND OKAY.
I HAD ADDRESS THE, UM, DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM APPROVING IT AS IS WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT CHANGING IT, MS. LIAM.
SO DO WE MAKE THAT CHANGE BEFORE WE BRING IT UP FOR VOTE OR DO WE CHANGE IT OR WHEN WE MAKE THE SUGGESTION OH, THE DRIVEWAY.
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OUR DISCUSSION AS, OKAY, GREAT.SO I GOT A COUPLE THOUGHTS AS NORMAL, RIGHT?
'CAUSE WE, WE REQUIRE ONE TOURIST HOME TO HAVE 16 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND OTHERS DON'T.
IT BECOMES VERY INCONSISTENT, ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS, IF YOU WOULD.
SO THAT'S AN ISSUE WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
AND SECOND, AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED DOWN HERE, CLARIFICATION, IF THEY SOLD 1 0 4 MAZE LANDING THERE, THE, THE, UH, IT WOULD BE REVOKED.
BUT IF THEY SOLD AND MOVED AWAY FROM 2 0 4 SHOSHONE WAY, WHICH IS THEIR RESIDENCE AT THE MOMENT, IT WOULD NOT BE REVOKED.
SO CONDITION NUMBER TWO SAYS, THE DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE TOURIST HOME, MR. JOHN HOWARD, SHALL RESIDE AND BE PRESENT AT 2 0 4 SUNSHINE WAY DURING TIMES OF ALL TOURIST HOME RENTALS.
SO IF HE IS NOT THERE AT THAT ADDRESS, THEN THEY COULD NOT HAVE THE TOURIST HOME.
DID NOT HAVE THE TOURIST HOME.
AND THEN TERM OF ITEM 10 THERE TALKS ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S MORE RELATED TO THE ACTUAL ONE OH, THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE MAYS LANDING? CORRECT.
I JUST, THE OTHER COMMENT, I'M NOT, AS YOU THE COMMISSION PROBABLY KNOWS, I'M NOT A GREAT FAN OF WHOLE HOME REYNOLDS TOURIST HOMES IN SOME CASES ARE APPROPRIATE AND MOST CASES THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT.
I HAD JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AS WELL.
I THE ONE QUESTION ON, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT WE, YOU REQUIRE 16 FOOT DRIVEWAYS AT ONE.
WE SHOULD AT ALL HAVE WE IN FACT HAD THAT AS A CONDITION IN PREVIOUS RENTAL APPROVALS? I DON'T RECALL ONE, BUT I CANNOT THINK OF A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE HAD ONE WITH A LONG DRIVEWAY LIKE THIS, UM, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED.
WE HAVE HAD SOME APPLY, UM, THAT WERE DENIED NOT WELL THAT HAD BEEN DENIED BECAUSE OF THE ROAD SITUATION.
MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS ON A PRIVATE RIGHT DRIVE.
UM, IN THIS SITUATION, I CANNOT THINK OF ONE WHERE WE HAVE HAD A LONG DRIVEWAY SITUATION.
YEAH, I'M, I'M OF A POSITION THAT IT'S GRANDFATHERED.
UM, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY HAS HISTORY AND DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY FOR LARGER VEHICLES TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL, UH, ENTITY.
AND OBVIOUSLY HE'S SHOWN SOME GOOD FAITH EFFORT IN TALKING ABOUT REMOVING A COUPLE OF TREES OR ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE IN THE WAY OF THE WIDTH.
UM, SO I THINK FROM MY VIEWPOINT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY.
UM, AND I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ADDING, UH, A CONDITION OF WIDENING THE, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT PURPOSE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AS NOTED, I MEAN WE HAVE SIGNATURES FROM, UM, THE NEIGHBORS AND STAFF IS INDICATED AT THIS, BUT NOT DEGRADE FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, SO I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
UH, WHAT MADE ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY WAS THE FACT THAT YOU COULD TURN A VEHICLE AROUND AT THE END AND YOU EVEN HAVE ROOM TO GET SOME OTHER VEHICLES THERE.
SO I DON'T SEE IT AS A CONGESTION POINT.
UH, YOU WOULD WITH A SINGLE LINE DRIVEWAY WITH NO PLACE TO TURN AROUND.
ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS? UH, WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, PC 24 DASH THREE AS IS AND FORWARDED ON THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAD SECRETARY ROLL PLEASE.
THE MOTION BY MR. KRINER IS TO DEL RESOLUTION PC 24 DASH THREE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE THEIR TOUR STONE AT 1 0 4 MAYS LANDING.
[Application No. UP-1029-24, SWAG Automotive, LLC: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 12, No. 4) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize an auto body service establishment located at 537-A Second Street (Route 162). The 0.2-acre property (GPIN F14c-2078- 2420) is zoned GB (General Business) and is designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan]
I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE, UM, APPLICATION TO ADDRESS.UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE AN AUTOBODY SERVICE SHOP AT 5 37 A SECOND STREET.
SO TO EXPLAIN, UM, THE ADDRESSING SITUATION, UM, THE USE
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IS IN A UNIT AT THE END OF PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.UM, IT'S BISECTED BY TWO PARCELS.
UM, THE ADDRESS THAT THE UNIT IS ACTUALLY LOCATED ON IS THAT 5 37 8 PARCEL, WHICH IS 0.2 ACRES.
UM, THAT'S SUBDIVIDED OFF A LARGER PARENT PARCEL, WHICH IS AT 5 37 SECOND STREET.
UM, THE PARCEL ITSELF IS ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS AND IT'S DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT'S JUST AN AERIAL TO KIND OF, AND I REALIZE NOW THAT THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM SIX INCHES AWAY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, KIND OF SHOWING AGAIN THE APPLICANT'S UNIT IN THE REAR THERE AND THEN THE REST OF PARKWAY PRINT SHOP IN THE FRONT.
SO TO KIND OF, AGAIN, FROM A MORE OF A STREET VIEW TO SEE WHERE THE APPLICANT'S LOCATED.
UM, THIS IS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON SECOND STREET AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT PARKWAY PRINT SHOP, UM, THE SIGN SAYS CHROMATIC.
THAT'S THE NAME OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS.
I HAVE NOT UPDATED THE SIGN, UM, I BELIEVE YET WHEN I, AT LEAST WHEN I WAS OUT THERE.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING YOU, COME ONTO THE SITE PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
YOU FOLLOW THE UM, RIGHT HAND SIDE ALLEY BACK AND THEN YOU GET TO THE REAR AND THAT'S WHERE THE DOOR AND THEN THE GARAGE DOOR IS, UM, FOR THE UNIT THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOCATED IN.
SO THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO AUTO BODY WORK IN THE REALM OF THAT IS VEHICLE WINDOW TINT AND THEN VINYL WRAPPING.
UM, THEY PLAN TO SERVICE CARS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, UM, FROM EIGHT TO 5:00 PM AND THAT UNIT THAT THEY'RE IN IS ABOUT 1900, A LITTLE OVER 1900 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S AT, LOCATED AT THE REAR OF PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
SO JUST TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT FOR SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE ARBY'S ACROSS SECOND STREET AND THEN THE SHOPPING CENTER BEYOND THAT TO THE EAST WE HAVE THE LOYALTY CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP TO THE SOUTH.
IMMEDIATE SOUTH WE HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, MIDDLETOWN FARMS. AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE ABBY'S, UM, AUTO SHOP.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, A BREWERY.
UM, AGAIN, JUST SOME PHOTOS THERE.
UM, ONE TO THE LEFT IS THE CHEVY DEALERSHIP TO THE RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE STANDING, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE ACROSS THE STREET, ARBY'S.
AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE KIND OF HOPPING OVER LIKE SECOND STREET AND THEN TO MERRIMACK TRAIL.
UM, THAT IS THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN THAT'S A VIEW STANDING, LIKE IF I'M STANDING RIGHT AT THE DOOR OF THE UNIT WHERE THE APPLICANT IS.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, THAT'S THE VIEW.
SO FROM THE REAR OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE REAR OF THE NEAR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IT'S ABOUT 217 FEET.
HOWEVER IMPORTANT CAVEAT I'D LIKE TO RAISE.
UM, THERE IS A CONCRETE PAD THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHERE THERE'S ALSO A DUMPSTER.
UM, AND THERE IS SOME PARKING OF CARS.
SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT OF FROM REALLY THE REAR OF THAT NEWLY ADDED CONCRETE PAD COMING BACK TO THE REAR OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, ABOUT 147 FEET TO KIND OF BUILD OFF OF THAT, UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS HOW I MEASURED IN THE FIELD, ABOUT A 19 FOOT, UM, STAND OF SOME TREES AND SOME VEGETATION.
UM, SMALL BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY DUE TO THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE PHOTOS HERE THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER, UM, THE BUFFER ITSELF ISN'T PARTICULARLY THICK.
SO STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION FOR AN EIGHT FOOT OPAQUE FENCE TO BE INSTALLED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS MY MARKUP TO KIND OF SHOW.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THE PRINT SHOP CURRENTLY HAS A SITE PLAN IN FOR REVIEW WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE CONCRETE PAD AND THE DUMPSTER.
UM, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE PUT IN WITHOUT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THIS IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY LIKE A RETROACTIVE SITE PLAN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE PRINT SHOP.
UM, I'VE MARKED THAT SITE PLAN.
SO THIS ISN'T AN APPROVED SITE PLAN, THIS IS JUST THEIR FIRST SUBMITTAL.
I'VE MARKED THAT UP TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE AGAIN, THE UNIT GARAGE DOOR AND THE RED.
UM, FOR THE AUTO USE, THE UNDER ZONING ORDINANCE PROVISIONS NEED FIVE PARKING SPACES DEDICATED TO THEM.
UM, AND GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE UP FRONT, THERE REALLY ISN'T ROOM TO PLACE THOSE SPACES.
THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE TO COME IN THE REAR.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY TIGHT SITE.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM ON THE SIDES.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, AND THIS IS JUST BASED ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY'S REVIEW, FIRST REVIEW OF THAT SITE PLAN THAT I MENTIONED FOR THE PRINT SHOP.
UM, BECAUSE THERE'S THESE ITEMS IN THE
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REAR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REALLY FELT IT WAS PRUDENT THAT THEY NEED TO GET AROUND BASICALLY FROM THE FRONT OF THE PRINT SHOP DOWN THAT SIDE ALLEY.AND THEN THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR APPARATUS BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE REAR END KIND OF WITH THE CURRENT LAYOUT.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE SKETCH PLAN I PROVIDED WITH YOUR PACKET.
UM, THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES THAT THEY CAN'T FIT THE APPARATUS IN.
SO THE PRINT SHOP, THEY ASKED THE PRINT SHOP TO RELOCATE TWO OF THEIR SPACES, UM, ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO I KIND OF SHOWED THAT IN ORANGE, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT FIELD ACCURATE.
UM, THEY, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDITIONAL CONCRETE PLACED DOWN TO REALISTICALLY ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE SPACES.
UM, AND THEN IN THE GREEN DASH, UM, JUST KIND OF ROUGHLY WHERE THAT FENCE MIGHT GO, THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR HAVE THAT RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PRINT SHOP SITE PLAN.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A ROUGH SKETCH TO DEPICT THOSE ITEMS. THAT'S A VISUAL OF THE CONCRETE PAD THAT I MENTIONED.
YOU SEE THE DUMPSTER THERE, THE PAD.
AND THEN THIS IS LIKE IF I WAS STANDING AT THE REAR OF THE SITE FACING THE REAR OF THE PRINT SHOP, THAT'S ANOTHER ARIEL AGAIN, ME STANDING AT THE REAR OF THE PRINT SHOP THIS TIME LOOKING TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A CLOSER VIEW OF THE EXISTING BUFFER.
UM, WHAT'S PRESENTLY OUT THERE IN TERMS OF TREES AND OTHER VEGETATION? SO STAFF HAS PROPOSED A FEW CONDITIONS, UM, FOR THIS PROPOSED AUTO USE.
UM, WORKSHOP ONLY OCCUR IN DOORS AND THE GARAGE DOOR HAS TO BE CLOSED WHILE WORK IS OCCURRING.
THIS IS TO CONTAIN NOISE WITHIN THE UNIT.
AGAIN, THAT EIGHT FOOT OPAQUE FENCE AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
THAT'S TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENCES FROM ANY CARS THAT MIGHT BE PARKED THERE AS WELL AS FROM THE USE ITSELF, JUST AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER.
AND THEN A CONDITION PROHIBITING OUTDOOR STORAGE OF MOTOR VEHICLE PARTS OR SUPPLIES, FIVE PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN LIMITING HOURS OF OPERATION FROM EIGHT TO HIGH, EIGHT TO FIVE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
STAFF FEELS THAT PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDE ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS FOR THESE ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
AND LOOKING AT THIS USE, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S SURROUNDED BY AUTO USES.
SO IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE SURROUNDING USES AND ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE PLACED.
SO THERE'S, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS FOR AUTOBODY USES, LIKE IN TERMS OF LIKE STORAGE OF VEHICLES.
THEY CAN'T JUST LIVE ON SITE FOREVER.
YOU CAN'T PARK THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, LIGHTING AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS ORDINANCE ALREADY THAT APPLY TO ANY AUTO BODY USE.
UM, SO DUE TO ALL THESE STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONS AS PLACED FORTH AND RESOLUTION PC 24 DASH FOUR.
UM, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS TO THE STAFF? NO.
YES, THE, UH, THE BUSINESS WAS BOUGHT FROM ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT DID SIMILAR STUFF LAST YEAR AND THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT HAD IT BEFORE, UH, DIDN'T HAVE A SUB.
SO IT TRANSFERRED OVER, SO LET WHO TURNED THEM INTO THE COUNTY.
SO BIT OF BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THIS, KIND OF THIS, HOW THIS SITUATION CAME TO BEAR.
UM, IN 2022, UM, THE PARKWAY PRINT SHOP THEY SUBMITTED FOR THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE.
AND ON THAT LICENSE THEY LISTED IT'S LIKE, SO THEY HAD A LIST OF LIKE WHAT THEIR BUSINESS FUNCTIONS WERE AT KIND OF THE END.
THEY MENTIONED WINDOW TINTING AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS AN ERROR, UM, THROUGH ZONING OFFICE WHERE THEY DIDN'T CATCH THAT AT THE TIME.
SO THE, THE LICENSE GOT ISSUED IN 22 FOR CHROMATIC, WHICH WAS THAT PREVIOUS BUSINESS OWNER WITHOUT UM, NEEDING AN SEP.
SO IN JULY OF 23 IT, WHEN IT SWAG BOUGHT THE APPLICANT BOUGHT THE BUSINESS.
UM, IT PROCESSED THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUES, LIKE A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.
AND THEN, SO AGAIN, ZONING DIDN'T CATCH IT AT THAT TIME 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T REVIEW IT.
UM, LIKE THEY WOULD FOR LIKE A BRAND NEW BUSINESS LICENSE FOR A BRAND NEW BUSINESS.
UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, UM, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY WENT OUT.
UM, AND THE ZONING DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY RECALL LIKE WHAT THAT INSPECTION WAS, BUT WHEN THEY WENT OUT THERE FOR THAT INSPECTION, THEY ACTUALLY NOTICED THAT, OH HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS CONCRETE PAD BACK HERE AND THIS AUTOMOTIVE USE.
UM, BROUGHT THAT TO ZONING'S ATTENTION AND ZONING, THEN BECAME AWARE OF IT, REVIEWED THEIR RECORDS, REALIZED THEY'D MADE THE ERROR.
UM, AND THEN PROCEEDED TO START THIS PROCESS WITH BRINGING THE APPLICANT INTO COMPLIANCE AND OBTAINING AN SCP.
AND KIND OF FOLLOWING THAT ALSO IS THE WHOLE SITUATION OF THE PRINT SHOP AND THEM HAVING THEIR SITE PLAN UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW FOR THE CONCRETE PAD.
'CAUSE AGAIN, FIRE CAME OUT AND NOTICED, HEY, THERE'S THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NOT ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN FROM 2021.
SO ZONING'S DOING A SEPARATE KIND OF COMPLIANCE ACTION
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IN THAT REGARD, UM, WITH THE PRINT SHOP TO BRING THEM TO ZONING COMPLIANCE BY HAVING AN APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THEIR IONS THEY'VE MADE.IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR A SMALL BUSINESS TO HAVE COMPLICATIONS.
ALL, ALL THE ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED, I DON'T THINK.
DO YOU KNOW HOW WIDE THAT DRIVEWAY IS GOING BACK? I, I WAS OUT THERE TODAY AND I DIDN'T GET OUT AND MEASURE IT, BUT IT, IT'S VERY, VERY NARROW.
IT'S VERY NARROW AND I DO NOT RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, IF I HAD TO EYEBALL IT, I WAS GUESSING LIKE 10 FEET.
LEMME I'M GONNA CHECK MY SKETCH PLAN HERE AND SEE IF IT'S CALLED OUT THERE REAL QUICK BECAUSE THAT, UM, THE SKETCH PLAN WAS A PIECE TAKEN FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVED SITE PLAN IN 21.
SO IT MIGHT BE CALLED OUT THERE.
DOES THE APPLICANT KNOW? OKAY, WE'LL WE'LL GET TO YOU THEN.
SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT CAUGHT OUT THERE.
THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS IT DID NOT APPEAR TO ME THAT YOU COULD FIT FIVE CARS ON THAT EXISTING SLAB, UM, AND, AND HAVE REASONABLE PARKING.
AND IN FACT THERE ARE PARKING ON THE GRASS TODAY.
YOUR PICTURE SHOWED PARKING ON THE GRASS.
UM, SO USING THAT GRASS AS A PARKING AREA.
OH THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE HARD SURFACE.
SO, UM, FOR THE FIVE SPACES, SO I'M JUST USING LIKE THE STANDARD LIKE NINE BY 12.
I, I DID SOME VERY ROUGH MATH WITH LIKE SCALING
UM, AND FIVE COULD PROBABLY FIT ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE BUT NOTING THAT, UM, I AM, I HAD A CONCERN WITH LIKE AGAIN THE APP FIRE APPARATUS HAS TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND SO I DIDN'T, I WASN'T ABLE TO REALLY DO THOSE MEASUREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, WHEN THIS COMES IN FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW THERE, THERE COULD BE HONESTLY THEY, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO END UP ADDING MORE CONCRETE TO MEET ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THE ONLY MINE WAS SIMILAR TO THE CONCRETE PAD IN THE BACK.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO STRIPE AND THEN LIKE RESERVE THESE SPACES.
LIKE THESE ARE FOR R USE SPECIFICALLY 'CAUSE THEY NEED THOSE FIVE DEDICATED SPACES.
AND SO, LIKE YOU SAID, I MAY NOT AND WE'VE GOTTEN PICTURES FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS YEAH.
THERE'S APPARENTLY THAT'S PRETTY COMMON FOR THAT GRASS AREA TO HAVE VEHICLES IN IT.
YEAH, I MEAN WHEN I WAS ON SITE I JUST SAW THE ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN WE HAVE THOSE NEW PHOTOS THAT SHOW ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT SITUATION.
AND SO THE FENCE, AND I GUESS THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION.
IS THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE OR IS IT GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE PAD? IT WOULD BE CLOSER.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT REALLY SOMEONE TO GO IN AND LIKE I'M GONNA MOW DOWN THE VEGETATION, INSTALL THE FENCE.
THAT KIND OF NEGATES THE PURPOSE OF IT.
SO WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT BUFFER ON THE APPLICANT'S OR RATHER THE APPLICANT'S UM, PROPERTY.
'CAUSE THEY'RE OF THE PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
SO PARK THE PRINT SHOP'S PROPERTY.
AND REGARDING THE FENCE IS, SINCE IT BACKS UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE WE AWARE IT, DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION? THEY DO, YES.
IS THERE AN ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENT FOR FENCES SO THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL? WELL THE FENCE ITSELF WOULDN'T BE LOCATED IN THE SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S ON THE COMMERCIAL, THE PARKWAY PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN WE, THE, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, IF THEY HAVE CONDITIONS IN THEIR UM, CCNRS FOR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ABBY'S NEXT DOOR DOES HAVE A FENCE UP.
IT'S LIKE A BOARD ON BOARD WOOD FENCE.
GIVEN THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEM FOR THAT FENCE, I'M ASSUMING SOMETHING OF THAT STYLE WOULD PROBABLY BE ACCEPTABLE.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, SO.
SO CONFLICT ON HIS WRITEUP, IT TALKS ABOUT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM NINE TO FIVE, MR. HIS OFFICE, HIS HOURS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY RECEIVED THE NARRATIVE, THE, THE APPLICANT WROTE IN THEIR NARRATIVE THEY OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UM, UPON EXAMINATION OF THEIR BUSINESS PAGE, UH, ABOUT LIKE LATE FEBRUARY, UM, THEY NOTED THAT WE'RE OPEN ON SATURDAYS.
UM, SO I CONTACTED THE APPLICANT TO JUST CLARIFY THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEY DID INDICATE NOW THEY'RE OPERATING MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
SO IT IS A MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY THING.
SO THAT'S WHY THE CONDITION AND THE RESOLUTION SAYS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
IT'S INTERESTING, THE WEBSITE IS ONLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, BUT THE FACEBOOK SITE IS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM FOR THE STAFF? OKAY.
WE'LL OPEN UP OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND AGAIN A REMINDER THAT, UH, PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES SIR.
UH, DARRYL, TY, WHERE THE APPLICANT
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ADDRESS IS 5 37 A SECOND STREET.UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ADD CONTEXT TO THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.
UM, WE ARE LEASING THIS PROPERTY FROM PARKWAY PRINT SHOP, WHO IS OUR LANDLORD.
UM, PRIOR TO PURCHASING THE BUSINESS, IT WAS DESIGNATED AS CHROMATIC WRAPS IN WHICH PARKWAY PRINT SHOP ACTUALLY WAS THE BUSINESS OWNER OR THE OWNERS OF WERE THE BUSINESS OWNER OF CHROMATIC WRAPS.
SO THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WAS AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS PRIOR TO OUR PURCHASE.
THIS WAS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS GONE THROUGH THE COUNTY AND PASSED WITHOUT AN SUP AS WAS PREVIOUSLY UH, DISCLOSED.
AND UH, THE BUSINESS LICENSE WAS ISSUED TO CHROMATIC WRAPS DURING OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE PURCHASING THE BUSINESS.
WE CONTACTED THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABLE TO OPERATE THIS BUSINESS AT THIS ADDRESS WITH NO MENTION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE CONTEXT, UM, IN WHICH OUR APPLICATION CAME ABOUT.
UM, AS KAITLYN MENTIONED, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF SITE PLAN THAT WAS REQUIRED BY PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE FIND OURSELVES AS SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS KIND OF CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE A VERY UNIMPACTFUL BUSINESS AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YES, ALL OF OUR, UM, OPERATIONS ARE DONE INDOORS.
UM, WE ARE A VINYL WRAP IN WINDOW TINT SHOP APPLICATION STATES AUTO BODY SHOP.
I ASSUME THAT IT JUST FALLS UNDER THAT CODE, UM, AND NEEDED TO BE DESIGNATED AS SUCH.
UH, THERE ARE AN AUTO BODY REPAIR SHOP DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO PARKWAY PRINT SHOP, WHICH WOULD BE EVIE'S.
UH, AND THERE IS ALSO THE LOYALTY CADILLAC DEALERSHIP IS A BODY SHOP AS WELL IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE LEFT.
IT IS FLANKED BY THE EXACT SAME, UH, ZONED BUSINESS ACTUALLY TRUE BODY SHOPS.
THEY, JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY ARE ACTUAL COLLISION REPAIR FACILITIES AND WE ARE JUST INSTALLING VINYL WRAPS, DECALS AND WINDOW TINT, UM, TO SPEAK TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS ANY SMALL BUSINESS GOING THROUGH GROWING AND SEEING TRENDS AND UH, HOW WE HAVE KIND OF GROWN THE BUSINESS.
UH, WE, THE WINTER TIME IS OFTEN A SLOW PERIOD, UH, FOR OUR STYLE BUSINESS, UM, COMING INTO EARLY SPRING AND SUMMER IS OUR BUSY SEASON OF BUSINESS.
THAT IS WHY THE HOURS OF OPERATION REFLECT DIFFERENTLY, UM, FROM THE WEBSITE VERSUS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE, ON THE PLAN ORIGINALLY.
SO WE OPENED UP SATURDAY HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM UM, YEAH, WE DO OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY THAT IS, UH, IS THERE THAT WE OCCUPY, UM, FROM THE LANDLORD, THE PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
UM, IT'S COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT ARE, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT MAY HAVE NOT BEEN PERMITTED PROPERLY, UM, PREVIOUS TO OUR OCCUPANCY.
AND AGAIN, WE FIND OURSELVES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR A, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED OF THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS.
SO, UH, I'LL ANSWER ANYONE'S QUESTIONS IF CAN I, I'M CECILE LTI, I'M HIS WIFE AND I WOULD JUST KIND OF LIKE TO, TO EXPAND ON THAT, THAT UM, WE DID, WE ACTUALLY OWN ANOTHER BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY, ENTIRELY UNRELATED.
SO I DID CALL, HOWEVER WE OPENED THAT ONE FRESH, WE WERE PURCHASING THIS BUSINESS.
UM, HOW DO WE DO THIS? AND THE COUNTY WAS VERY HELPFUL.
WITHIN FIVE DAYS WE WERE ISSUED A BUSINESS PERMIT, UM, AND HAD NO IDEA A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT WOULD EVER BE NEEDED UNTIL THEY VISITED FOR THE SITE PLAN.
UM, ISSUES THAT PARKWAY WAS HAVING IN FRONT OF US.
SO WE IN GOOD FAITH HAVE BEEN OPERATING SINCE OUR OPENING AND ACTUALLY SINCE OUR PURCHASING.
I CALLED PRIOR TO PURCHASING THE BUSINESS AND SIGNING THE LEASE IN THAT LOCATION KIND OF THINKING, HEY, WE'RE GOOD HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECT.
AND UM, BECAUSE OF THAT ERROR THE COUNTY DID CALL, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY WAIVED THE FEE FOR US TO BE HERE TONIGHT, UM, ON THAT AND AS WELL AS HELP ME GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS 'CAUSE IT IS PRETTY TIME CONSUMING TO GET THIS APPLICATION IN.
SO YORK COUNTY HAS BEEN GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO HELP US WITH THAT.
BUT WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE IN A SITUATION WHERE AS FAR AS WE KNEW WE WERE UH, AS FAR AS THE SITE, AS THE CONCRETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO KIND OF CHANGE SOME APPOINTMENTS UP TO ALLOW FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION TO GO UM, IN SO THAT UH, PARKWAY CAN RELOCATE THEIR SPACES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THEM.
'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE RENT FROM THEM, TECHNICALLY WE ARE JUST
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NEIGHBORS TO THEM IN A BUSINESS SENSE.SO WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE AROUND US.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO MENTION WE ARE A VERY CLEAN BUSINESS AS FAR AS TODAY'S STANDARDS.
OUR MAIN CHEMICAL WE USE IS ACTUALLY JOHNSON'S BABY SOAP.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN AIR COMPRESSOR OR ALLOWED TOOLS EVEN DURING THOSE HOURS OF EIGHT TO FIVE.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE.
UM, BUT I DID WANNA SAY THAT, UH, ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO MENTION IS WE MOSTLY OPERATE ON APPOINTMENTS JUST AS A NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS.
SO FOOT TRAFFIC IS NOT SOMETHING WE GENERALLY HAVE ON OCCASION WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN, BUT USUALLY THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET THEIR WINDOWS TINTED.
THEY CALL US FIRST, WE SET AN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE WE WILL NEED THEIR VEHICLE FOR A COUPLE HOURS AND THEY EITHER DROP IT OFF WITH US OR UM, YOU KNOW, WAIT FOR IT.
WE DO HAVE A LITTLE WAITING AREA FOR THEM WITH COFFEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT GENERALLY A LOT OF WALKING BUSINESS IN AND OUT WHERE WE HAVE CARS SITTING AROUND FOR MANY DAYS AND ALL OF OUR WORK BY NATURE TOO, HAS TO BE INDOORS.
YOU CANNOT DO WINDOW TINTING OR VINYL WRAPPING OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF THE DUST.
SO THERE'S NEVER A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE CARS INSIDE AND WE WANNA DO IT OUTSIDE THAT DAY 'CAUSE IT'S NICE, IT WOULD RUIN OUR APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN.
BUT UM, AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE HERE TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE OF SOMETHING.
WE ALREADY THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ACTUALLY THAT NEVER WOULD'VE CROSSED OUR MIND.
WE WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF, UM, AND HAVE OUR OPERATING STILL WITHIN OUR BUSINESS LICENSE WITH YORK COUNTY.
SO NOW I THINK THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD,
I JUST REALLY WANTED TO, UH, REITERATE THAT WE ARE AN APPOINTMENT BASED BUSINESS BY NATURE AS WELL.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IS? SO THE ACTUAL ASPHALT WIDTH, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FEET AND THERE IS A GRAVEL SHOULDER, UM, OF APPROXIMATELY ONE FOOT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DERMATITIS? YEAH, I GUESS I'M THE QUESTION GUY TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME I'M VERY QUIET.
BUT ANYWAY, WE, I WAS BY THERE THIS MORNING.
I BE NOT THIS MORNING, THIS AFTERNOON AND WE DROVE BACK THERE AND YEAH, THAT IS A VERY NARROW DRIVEWAY BACK.
I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GET A FIRE TRUCK BACK THERE OR AMBULANCE.
WELL MAYBE AN AMBULANCE, BUT IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY NARROW.
BUT WHEN I GOT BACK THERE AND I TURNED AROUND AND WE WAS BACK THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES, NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME COMMEND YOU INSIDE THE OFFICE, INSIDE THE WORKSHOP.
SECOND POINT IS THE GARAGE DOOR WAS OPEN, NO ONE IS AROUND, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PROBLEM OR NOT, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE I THINK SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE DOOR BEING OPENED AND WORK GOING ON OR NOT GOING ON INSIDE THERE.
SO, UH, I THINK THE DOOR HAS TO BE DOWN WHEN WORK IS BEING PERFORMED.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK IT IS, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S JUST AS A COMMENT, UH, THE DOOR WAS OPEN GO.
UM, DID YOU OBSERVE ANY WORK BEING PERFORMED WHEN THE DOOR WAS OPEN? NO, I DID NOT.
YEAH, THIS IS PROBABLY THIS'S.
SEE I DID THAT AND I CAME BACK AND TOOK MY DOG FOR A THREE MILE WALK.
SO YOUR OPERATING PROCEDURES OUGHT TO HAVE THE DOOR CLOSED WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING, CORRECT? YES.
OUR STANDARD, YES, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IS TO HAVE THE DOOR CLOSED TO MITIGATE DUST AND ANYTHING THAT ELSE WOULD CONTAMINATE THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS AND ALSO THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE IT.
BUT ALSO JUST THE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS, WE DON'T WANT THE DUST IN THE WINDOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO PUT A STICKER ON SOMETHING, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING BEHIND IT AND IT GETS THERE VISIBLE, IT'S NOT GONNA GO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOPE, GO AHEAD.
SO I WAS OUT THERE AS TODAY AS WELL.
UM, AND UH, THE DOOR WAS CLOSED, UM, BUT THERE WERE VEHICLES PARKED ON THE GRASS.
IN FACT, I MET WITH THE, THE FOLKS BEHIND YOU, UM, FOR SOME TIME OUT THERE.
AND, UH, SO CONCERN THAT, THAT THEY EXPRESSED TO ME WAS THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS THERE'S BEEN ACTIVITY THERE LATE IN THE EVENING.
UM, IT WAS LATE AS 11 O'CLOCK, UM, PM INSIDE THE FACILITY AND THE DUMPSTER GETS EMPTY AT LIKE FIVE 30 IN THE MORNING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS VERY DISRUPTIVE TO, TO THE NEIGHBOR.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANY CONTROL ON, ON THE DUMPSTER SIDE OF THAT OR, UM, OR TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING WORK IN THE FACILITY AFTER 5:00 PM SURE, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE.
UH, TO SPEAK TO THE DUMPSTER ISSUE, UM, YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT PARKWAY PRINT SHOP THAT IS THEIR DESIGNATED DUMPSTER.
UH, PER OUR LEASE, WE'RE ABLE TO USE THE DUMPSTER, UH, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER DROP OFF OR PICKUP FOR THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, PAST 11:00 PM I'M UNAWARE OF THAT.
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WE WERE NOT OPERATING AS TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME.WE'VE GOT TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, SO OPERATING TWO BUSINESSES, I'M NOT TYPICALLY UP TO THAT LATE.
UM, NOT TO SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE AFTER THE FIVE O'CLOCK HOUR, UM, BUT CERTAINLY I DON'T, I WONDER IF WE LEFT THE LIGHTS ON THAT NIGHT.
IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT
AND THEN AS I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE GRASS QUICKLY, IF I COULD THAT SPACE, UM, THERE COULD BE PARKWAY BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY ARE TRYING NOT TO USE, UTILIZE THOSE TWO SPOTS THERE.
SO THEY HAVE STARTED PARKING, UM, OCCASIONALLY.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN US, THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD A CUSTOMER COME BY, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, UM, THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
SO THAT IS ALL GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THAT BUILDING, NOT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF BEING THERE AND THE WAY IT'S BEING UTILIZED.
ANY OTHERS? OKAY, MOVING ON TO, UM, FOLKS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
I HAVE A KAREN, UH, BEQUEST, QUI, SORRY, I KNOW I'M BUTCHERING THAT AGAIN.
A REMINDER THAT, UH, PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
I LIVE AT 4 71 KATES B LANE IN MIDDLETOWN FARMS. AND, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
THE BUILT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT IN THE LATE FIFTIES AND EARLY SIXTIES.
UM, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE THE MID EIGHTIES, SO THAT'S A GOOD LONG TIME.
NOT AS LONG AS MY NEIGHBOR SHANNON TURNAGE FAMILY, WHO I THINK MAY BE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNERS.
BUT OVER THOSE YEARS, WE'VE REALLY SPENT, YES, WE'RE SMILING, WE'VE SEEN EACH OTHER BEFORE.
WE, UM, HAVE SPENT MANY TIMES COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AS WE'VE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE FOR THE BEST AND STRONGEST BUFFERS AND BOUNDARIES WE CAN HAVE.
THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WE KNOW WE NEED AND THESE ARE BUSINESSES THAT WE WANNA SUPPORT.
AND WE LOVE THE FACT THAT WE ARE IN THIS LITTLE TUCKED IN NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE BORDER THREE MUNICIPALITIES.
MY BACKYARD IS THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG THAT WE ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT BOUNDER WITH JAMES CITY COUNTY AND WITH YORK, YORK COUNTY.
SO WE ARE THE EDGE AND WE HAVE A DESIGNATION AND WE LOVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK, YOU KNOW, TO THE WONDERFUL BUSINESSES WE HAVE AND TO USE THEM.
THERE'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE WAY WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MISSED OPPORTUNITIES.
AND IF, IF CAITLIN CAN SHOW YOU THAT OVERHEAD AGAIN, OR IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU'LL SEE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE, THE BOUNDARIES OR THE, OR THE BUFFER ZONES BETWEEN ONE OF OUR MISSED OPPORTUNITIES WITH LOYALTY CHEVROLET, WHERE THERE'S A FENCE THAT BACKS RIGHT UP TO A COUPLE, SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND THEY HAVE HAD MANY EXPERIENCES WITH FUMES, WITH, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES.
WE MISS THE BOAT ON NEGOTIATING WITH THAT AND, AND HAVING OUR VOICE HEARD WITH ABBY'S, YOU'LL SEE A MORE ADEQUATE BUFFER.
AND THAT WAS OUR MOST RECENT EFFORTS AND WE WERE SORT OF FACILITATED THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN THAT PROCESS.
AND BY FACILITATED, I'D SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THEIR APPROVAL, UM, EVIE'S PURCHASED A LOT THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL LOT.
AND THEN AS HE WANTED TO DEVELOP IT FOR THAT BUSINESS, THEY HAD TO COMPROMISE IN A SENSE AND AND INCLUDE A LARGE BUFFER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, BUFFERS AND COMPLIANCE, COMPLIANCE IS TOUGH AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SAT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS AND YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN SAY THAT THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN ONE WAY, BUT ULTIMATELY COMPLIANCE RELIES ON NEIGHBORS OR FIRE AND SAFETY TO COME UP AND SAY, HEY, SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE THE PAD THAT WAS POURED WAS POURED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
WE WOULD'VE HAD NO IDEA, UM, THAT THE, UM, USE PERMIT THAT, THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WAS ISSUED WITH WITHOUT THE PROPER OVERSIGHT.
SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST BUFFER, SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THE BUSINESS IF IT IS A BUSINESS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITH US.
UH, NEXT HAVE, UH, SHANNON TURNAGE.
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GOOD EVENING.BEFORE YOU START MY TIME, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER A PICTURE THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED THAT WAS NOT IN, IN THEIR DEFENSE, THAT WAS NOT A CURRENT PICTURE OF THEIR LOT.
THAT WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT BECAME FROM ABBY'S AND HOW THAT INFILTRATED OVER AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO TRY TO AVOID.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, BUT MY NAME IS SHANNON TURNAGE.
I ACTUALLY LIVE AT 4 76 KSBY LANE.
SO I ABUT THEIR BUSINESS DIRECTLY.
UM, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1971, SO MY ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN SPENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAD NO OBJECTIONS OR HESITATION WHEN PARKWAY PURCHASED THE BUILDING, I WAS RELIEVED AND THANKFUL THAT WE'D FINALLY HAVE A BUSINESS COMING TO THE TOURIST CORRIDOR THAT WASN'T AUTOMOTIVE RELATED IN NATURE.
THEY DID A PHENOMENAL JOB CLEANING UP THE LOT.
IT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNED IT HAD WAS DECEASED AND GAVE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING A MUCH NEEDED FACELIFT.
I HAD FAITH IN OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS THAT THEY HAD HELD TRUE TO THEIR WORD FROM A PREVIOUS SUP AT OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR, BUSINESS NEIGHBOR.
AND DURING THAT REZONING REQUEST, WHEN WE FINALLY CAME TO A CONCLUSION, THEY HAD PRETTY MUCH ASSURED US THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE AUTOMOTIVE TYPE BUSINESSES, UM, IN THAT PARTICULAR CORRIDOR THAT IT HAD KIND OF REACHED ITS MAX AND NOW IT HAS BEEN.
OF COURSE THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IS STARTING TO GET A FACELIFT AND THEY'VE NAMED IT THE EDGE.
UM, THE AUTOBODY SHOP THAT IS LOCATED NEXT TO SWAG, UM, LOCATED TO THAT AREA IN 1994.
ACTUALLY THEY PURCHASED IN 92, LOCATED IN 94.
THE REASON I'M, I'M BRINGING THEM UP IS NOT TO DISCREDIT THIS GENTLEMAN AND HIS WIFE AND THEIR BUSINESS, BUT RATHER TO, TO LET YOU KNOW OF THE PRECEDENT THAT IT CREATES.
WE HAD NO PROBLEM WHEN HE MOVED IN.
DID NOT COME BEFORE YOU HAD NO PROBLEM DURING HIS FIRST EXPANSION.
HIS BUSINESS AT THAT POINT WAS NOT INTRUSIVE.
UM, FAST FORWARD TO 2008, HE REALIZES THAT HE'S REACHED HIS MAXIMUM.
HE SEEKS OUT THE OWNER OF THIS, UM, BASICALLY UNBUILDABLE RESIDENTIAL LOT PURCHASES IT AT A VERY NOMINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ATTEMPTS TO HAVE IT REZONED FOR GENERAL BUSINESS GOES BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IN THE MEANTIME, HE'S COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO ANY RULES, ZONING ORDINANCES.
WE ARE REQUIRED AS RESIDENTS TO KIND OF POLICE THAT BECAUSE IT IS THEN BECOMING ISSUES LIKE THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SAW WHERE THEY'RE PARKING IN THE BACKYARD AND SUCH.
SO ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, IT, IT'S NOT TO REFLECT ON THIS GENTLEMAN, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THAT'S SET AND IT'S MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT KIND OF LEAVES A BAD TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH WHEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2022.
I HONESTLY HAD NO IDEA THAT THEY WERE OPERATING THERE.
I LITERALLY THOUGHT IT WAS SCREEN PRINTING BECAUSE MR. JONES, WHEN HE OWNED THAT BUILDING THERE, IT WAS A FURNITURE STORE AND THE BACK OF THAT BUILDING WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED NOW WAS A WAREHOUSE BASICALLY FOR HIS FURNITURE.
AND SO I HAD NO IDEA, BUT THE TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED.
I DID SPEAK WITH, WITH THE OWNER, WE HAD A VERY CORDIAL CONVERSATION, UM, ON TUESDAY AND WE SPOKE AGAIN THIS EVENING ABOUT IT.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT IT TO REFLECT ON ON HIM PERSONALLY, AND I TOLD HIM IT, THIS IS NOTHING PERSONAL TO YOU.
OKAY, MA'AM FOR ME MA'AM, IT'S MY BACKYARD.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, LET THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION STARTING HERE.
SO MY CONCERN IS HOW SMALL THIS, THIS SPACE IS.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THAT COUNTY DID IN FACT ISSUE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
THESE FOLKS BOUGHT THIS BUSINESS IN, IN GOOD FAITH THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS.
UM, SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING THIS, BUT I'D ASK THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER TO TALK TO YOUR BACKDOOR NEIGHBORS AS, AS I'LL CALL 'EM AND, AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH A, SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE BEFORE THIS GETS TO THE, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU'VE GOT NEIGHBORS THAT WANNA WORK WITH YOU.
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WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.UM, BUT UH, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION HERE THAT WILL WORK FOR, FOR EVERYBODY AND, AND I WASN'T NECESSARILY IN SUPPORT OF THAT, BUT I THINK I AM NOW.
I GUESS I'D ECHO THE SAME COMMENTS THAT MR. CHAMBERLAIN MADE AND MAYBE HIS, UM, STAFF WORKS WITH PARKWAY, UH, TO WORK ON THE SITE PLAN THAT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL TAKE THAT INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSIDERATION TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE BUFFER AND, UH, TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, A MORE SUITABLE, UH, PLAN FOR THEM.
MR. TITERS? I GUESS I'VE BEEN SPEAKING SO MUCH THANK, DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
UH, I THINK IT'S, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER THINGS THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WHERE A OWNER HAS, HAS NOT PROVIDED THE, UH, THE RIGHT SUB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY KIND OF KNEW IT.
OR SOMEBODY TURNED HIM IN AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENED, THIS WAS DIFFERENT IN THAT YOU WERE IN GOOD FAITH, UH, BOUGHT A BUSINESS AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT IT MAY NOT BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS IS JUST A RAMBLING.
WELL, I CAN RAMBLE, I CAN TURN THIS ON.
UM, YEAH, I KIND OF THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MESS, BUT I THINK YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF GOOD FAITH AND GOOD EFFORT AND IF YOU WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK YOU CAN WORK IT OUT.
AND I, I HOPE YOU FOR THE BEST.
THE, THE FENCE THAT IS GOING UP ALREADY, IT CONSISTS OF A BUFFER ON THE, UM, BUSINESS OWNER'S PROPERTY.
IS THAT FENCE AT THE POINT OF WHICH HE'S REQUIRED TO, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FAIRLY GOOD SIZED BUFFER BACK THERE.
SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN YOUR RESOLUTION IS FOR THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE.
IS THAT WELL, THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE I'M FINE WITH.
BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A A, A CHUNK OF PROPERTY BEHIND IT, WHICH IS ALL THE VEGETATION.
UH, I I SUSPECT HE'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO GO FURTHER BACK INTO THAT VEGETATION AND IS BENDING OVER BACKWARDS TO LEAVE IT THERE.
AM I INTERPRETING THAT RIGHT? UM, MR. KRINER? UM, YES.
IN, IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION.
YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S A, THE 17 AND A HALF FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER THAT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS CORRECT.
SO, UM, WITHOUT REALLY A LIKE A TREE SURVEY TO SEE IF, LIKE THE LCU, WHICH IS LIKE, IT'S ONE 1.25 PER LIKE LINEAR SQUARE FOOT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WITHOUT THAT TREE SURVEY, I, WE COULDN'T LIKE EXACTLY SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE PRINT SHOP WOULD NEED TO LIKE ADD ADDITIONAL TREES IN BLUE.
MY MY POINT WAS IT APPEARS TO BE GIVING UP MORE THAN 17 FEET OF BUFFER SPACE.
BY BRINGING THE FENCE FORWARD, BY BRINGING THE FENCE FORWARD, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE, THE OWNER IS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN AND GOING ABOVE BOARD WHAT THEY COULD DO BY RIGHT.
AND I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T SHOW GOOD FAITH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT DOES, BUT, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.
I AGREE WITH, UH, ALL THE COMMENTS.
UH, AND I, AND I WOULD ADDRESS ONE KEY POINT THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS FALLS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF AUTO, UH, WHICH AUTO BODY, WHICH IS YOU POINTED OUT.
BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF AUTO BODY.
THIS ISN'T CHEMICALS, THIS ISN'T SPRAYS, UM, LOUD GROUNDING AND YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO IT DOES, AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RESIDENTS POINT THAT I BELIEVE IN GOOD FAITH WE ARE KEEPING THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT PRODUCE THAT TYPE OF NEGATIVE IMPACT, I WOULD SAY.
UM, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THIS FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.
THAT'S KIND OF REASON WHY THE COMMISSION DOES THIS AND HAS THESE DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN KIND OF ADJUDICATE THAT AND, AND FLUSH OUT THOSE DETAILS, UH, IN FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANT AND, AND OUR CITIZENS.
UH, SO I'M, WITH ALL THAT SAID, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
PC 24 DASH FOUR THE MOTION PLEASE.
THE MOTION BY MR. CHAMBERLAIN IS TO ADOPT PC 24 DASH FOUR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE AN AUTO BODY SHOP LOCATED AT 5 37 A SECOND STREET.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS AND DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS ON THE DOCKET AT THIS TIME.
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UH,[8. New Business]
MOVING TO NEW BUSINESS.ANYONE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO BRING BEFORE ANYTHING FROM, UM, I THINK THE ONLY MAYBE NEW BUSINESS ITEM IS IN THE BACK OF YOUR PACKET WAS A LETTER FROM THE ZONING ADMINIS ADMINISTRATOR GONNA ASK THAT.
UM, ON COMMONWEALTH GREEN, AND THIS IS A REQUIREMENT, UM, BECAUSE SHE ISSUED A, A LIMITED DEVIATION OF THE MIXED USE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR COMMONWEALTH GREEN.
UH, SHE, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY YOU AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO HER LETTER IS IN THERE, UH, BASICALLY, UH, CHANGING THREE MIXED USE BUILDING OR TWO MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
UH, THEY WERE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, IN THE PLAN TO BUILD THESE, THIS IS, UH, THE CONCEPT OF A MIXED USE IS THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE COMMERCIAL AND THEN RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
UH, THEY HAVE BUILT ONE BUILDING AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MARKET IT.
AND SO THEY WANTED TO TRY TO CHANGE IT.
SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS AGREED WHAT THEIR REQUEST AND HAS ALLOWED THEM TO DO THAT.
IT DOES NOT INCREASE THEIR DENSITY IN ANY WAY.
UM, BUT IT, UH, DOES ALLOW THEM TO DO, UM, RESIDENTIAL IN THOSE UNITS RATHER THAN A COMMERCIAL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE LETTER THERE TOO THAT SHE TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES.
BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT LETTER.
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
OKAY.SO YOU HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT THERE, AND I'LL JUST NOTE A FEW THINGS, UH, RECENTLY BY THE BOARD.
UH, THEY APPROVED AT FEBRUARY 20TH MEETING THE CLIFFS AUTOMOTIVE USE FOR THE PENSKE TRUCKS THAT WAS APPROVED.
UM, FUTURE APPLICATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE COMING TO THE BOARD.
UM, THE DONALD AND THERESA NEWSOM SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THAT'S GONNA APPEAR ON THEIR APRIL AGENDA BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALMOST, IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR SINCE THEY WERE APPROVED OR, UM, SINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, SO THAT WILL GO TO THE BOARD'S APRIL MEETING.
UM, THE HOPED EARLY CASE IS STILL ON HOLD, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED THAT ONE YET.
UH, THE, UH, MARQUEE CROSSING APPLICATION HAS KIND OF BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
THAT'S THE E-A-H-P-D 59 OH, UH, 24 APPLICATION.
THEY'RE, UM, MAKING SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THAT APPLICATION AFTER YOUR UNANIMOUS DENIAL OF IT.
AND SO MORE THAN LIKELY THAT'LL COME BACK TO YOU AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ONCE WE SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE YET, BUT IF THEY MAKE PRETTY, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
FUTURE APPLICATIONS NEXT MONTH.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS ON PAGE TWO.
UM, YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE, UH, TWO SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS, UM, ONE ON DEER PATH, ONE ON YORK VIEW ROAD, AND THEN WE HAVE A TRANSITIONAL HOME IN THE QUEENS LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A FIREARM SALES HOME OCCUPATION ON WILKINS DRIVE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE APPLICATION COMING FORWARD FOR THE STOP AND GO THAT'S ON DENBY BOULEVARD WHERE THEY'D LIKE TO ADD, UM, GAS PUMPS TO THAT IN ADDITION TO A MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE SECTION ON THEIR 5.8 OR UM, ACRES OF PROPERTY.
UH, SOME OF THE SITE PLANS SUBMITTALS THAT YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE IS THE, THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY, WHICH YOU APPROVED THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
AUTO HOUSE HAS SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION OR FOR SITE PLAN.
AND WE ALSO GOT THE, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THE YORKTOWN BOARDWALK, WHICH IS THE BOARDWALK BETWEEN THE PUB AND, AND THE OLD LARRY'S THE LEMONADE BUILDING.
AND THEN LASTLY, IN THE, UM, LAST PAGE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR SUBDIVISIONS, I WILL NOTE THAT FENTON MILL, THEIR BUYRIGHT DEVELOPMENT GOT THEIR APPROVED PLAN.
UH, SO WE MAY SEE SOME TREE CLEARING THAT'S FOR 292 HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOTS, UM, UP OFF OF NEWMAN ROAD IN THE LIGHTFOOT AREA.
SO, UH, THEY WILL PROBABLY BEGIN THEIR LAND DISTURBING ACTIVITY HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, IF NOT SOONER.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ALL THAT'S ON THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY REPORT.
AND, UM, UH, I WILL SAY WE, WE, WE LOST MR. CROSS, BUT WE'RE, UH, EXCITED TO BE MOVING FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY WE FULFILLED OUR ROLE TO HELP YOU AS WELL AS HE HAS.
YES,
UM, IN THIS SITUATION, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE WOMAN THAT'S RUNNING THIS HOME IS A THERAPIST, PSYCHOLOGIST, AND SHE IS WANTING TO, UM, GIVE GIRLS BETWEEN 12 AND 17 A PLACE TO COME TO GET AWAY FROM THINGS THAT ARE HARMING THEM.
BASICALLY, IF I'M DESCRIBING IT CORRECTLY, I'M SEEING NODDING
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HEADS.SO YES, SO, UH, SHE WANTS TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE TOXIC PLACE WHERE THEY'RE AT TO PUT THEM IN A HOME WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT ONE WE SEE VERY OFTEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SO YEAH, THAT'S HOW WE DEFINE IT IN THE ZONING ROOM.
IT'S THE 400 RELATED PEOPLE WHO LIVE TOGETHER.
AND, AND THIS IS, THEY'LL HAVE FOUR GIRLS AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE A RESIDENT, A FULL-TIME RESIDENT STAFF MEMBER, ADULT STAFF MEMBER, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE, UM, TWO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT COME IN DURING THE DAY FOR EDUCATION AND THERAPY.
I WONDER IF I, IF I CAN, UM, JUST GOING TO THE FON MILL, DO THEY HAVE TO GET A SITE PLAN REVIEW AS WELL OR ARE THEY READY TO GO, JUST NEED THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT AND THEY CAN START? NO, THEY STILL HAVE THEIR OTHER SITE PLAN AND SITE PLANS, OTHER PLANS THAT THEY'VE GOT TO SUBMIT.
BUT THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO START CLEARING THE LAND.
BUT AGAIN, THANKS FOR STEPPING IN
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY AT THIS TIME.
ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS' REPORTS OR REQUESTS? UH, HAVING HEARD NONE, I REQUEST ADJOURN.