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LIVE.[Call to Order]
FOR LIVE.I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER OUR MARCH 5TH, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING, OUR WORK SESSION.
MR. JURY? PRESENT? MR. ROH? HERE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS NOW.
WE'LL ASK, REMIND EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE SILENCE YOUR MOBILE DEVICES, PLEASE, WHEN WE GET STARTED, JUST IN CASE.
[1* Short Term Rentals. Receive presentation from Earl Anderson, Chief of Development Services, and Caitlin Aubut, Planner II. ]
UM, WITH THAT, MR. BELLAMY, I'LL TURN IT OVER.I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON SHORT TERM RENTALS TO START OUT WITH.
UH, WE'LL CALL UP KAYLINN ABBOTT, UH, PLANNER TWO FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO START YOU OFF.
AND WE WILL GET THIS CONVERSATION STARTED.
I MISSED THE INTRODUCTION PART.
UH, PLANNER TWO WHAT? KAITLYN ABBOTT PLANNER TWO.
IT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO DOESN'T KNOW BRIAN.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS A TWIN DEAR.
UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO REVISIT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN ME COUNTY.
UM, JUST TO PREFACE BRIEFLY, UM, IF YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, UM, THERE IS A RECENTLY PROPOSED SENATE BILL THAT'S SB 5 44, UM, THAT HAS PASSED THE HOUSE AND CURRENTLY AWAITING THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION.
UM, I'VE HAVEN'T PUT THE FULL TEXT OF THE BILL HERE, BUT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED KIND OF THOSE KEY, UM, PIECES OF LANGUAGE, UM, TO BRIEFLY SUMMIT.
UM, ESSENTIALLY ANY ORDINANCE ENACTED AFTER THE END OF LAST YEAR, UM, CANNOT REQUIRE A USE PERMIT, UM, FOR THE USE OF A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING AS AN STR WHEN THE DWELLING UNIT IS OCCUPIED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE LANGUAGE AGAIN, PAST HOUSE, UM, WAITING FOR SIGNATURE.
SO BEFORE YOU GO FROM THERE YES SIR.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION ON WHAT LEGALLY OCCUPIED MEANS IN THIS CONTEXT.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY PRIMARY RESIDENCE ALSO, THAT'S THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
SO WE'RE GONNA WELL, ARE THEY GONNA DEFINE WHAT THAT MEANS OR IS IT UP TO IT'S NOT IN THE CURRENT LEGISLATION.
SO I MEAN, I, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
WE MAY WANT TO CREATE A DEFINITION OF WHAT PRIMARY RESIDENCE IS IF THIS PASSES IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WAY WE PUT THAT INFORMATION IN THERE.
THAT'S HOW WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SOLVE IT.
THAT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
SO I HAVE, WHILE WE'RE HERE ON THIS QUESTION, YOU JUST RAISED A POINT, A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
LIKE I HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE WHERE I LIVE HERE IN NORTH COUNTY, BUT I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER RESIDENCE IN VIRGINIA BEACH, WHICH IS A SUMMER RESIDENCE.
SO IF I WERE TO BE LIVING IN VIRGINIA BEACH FOR THE SUMMER PRIMARY, I STILL HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE THAT I COULD RENT OUT WITH ACCORDING TO IF THIS PASSES, THAT'S WHAT I THINK, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT MEANS.
WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE YOUR NEIGHBORS HAPPY.
UM, SO RICHARD, ONE LAST QUESTION.
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE HOA, UH, CODES, UH, SUGGEST BY THIS, I MEAN, I, I'LL TEXT TO THE DEFERRED TO PLANNING BECAUSE THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE BILL AS WELL, BUT THERE'S NO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE IS NO CHANGE TO, IT DOESN'T OVERRIDE HOA REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE'S ZONING ORDINANCE FOR HOW WE DEFINE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF SPLIT UP INTO TWO.
WE HAVE BED AND BREAKFAST MORE NARROW.
THE DEFINITION, WHICH IS OWNER LIVES ON SITE, RENTS INDIVIDUAL ROOMS, TRANSIENT GUESTS PROVIDES MEAL, UM, TOURIST HOME WITH MORE LATITUDE AND WHOLE HOUSE OR RENTAL OF ROOMS WHERE YOU LIVE ON SITE.
UM, STAFF WANNA JUST SORT OF VISUALIZE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS.
UM, WE'RE STARTING FROM 1995 'CAUSE THIS IS WHEN IT WAS CODIFIED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THAT'S THROUGH THE END OF LAST YEAR.
YOU'LL SEE THERE, UM, THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE WITHDRAWALS, UM, OR THESE ARE ONLY APPLICATIONS THAT EVENTUALLY MADE IT TO THE BOARD AND THAT HAD SUCCESS, WHICH IS GREEN, BUT THAT WAS APPROVAL OR RED FOR UNSUCCESSFUL DENIAL.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE LIKE EXTENSIONS OF USE PERMITS EITHER.
SO YOU SEE THEY'RE KIND OF 95 TO MID 2010S.
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PRETTY SPARSE.MOST OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE FOR BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, OBVIOUSLY FROM MID 2010S ON, YOU SEE AN UPTICK IN CASES DUE TO THE PROLIFERATION OF SITES.
AIRBNB, VRBO, WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH 'EM.
UM, THOUGH, AND AGAIN, IF FOR TOTAL APPLICATIONS FOR CALENDAR YEAR, AGAIN, WE EVENTUALLY TO MAKING IT TO THE BOARD.
WE HAVE KIND OF AN OUTSIZE YEAR 22, BUT THAT IS STILL AT NINE.
UM, WE WANTED TO GRAPHICALLY VISUALIZE THAT DATA AS WELL, KIND OF IN GEOGRAPHIC FORMAT.
UM, YOU'LL SEE ON OUR LEGEND THERE, UM, BLACK UNDER REVIEW REPRESENTS THOSE TWO CASES ON HOLD.
WE HAVE GREEN SURFACE SUCCESSFUL CASES TO THE BOARD, RED FOR UNSUCCESSFUL.
AND THEN WE'VE GRAYED OUT STR NO LONGER OPERATING.
UM, SO TO KIND OF FOCUS IN ON SOME FOCUS AREAS, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WE'VE SEEN, UM, UP IN WILLIAMSBURG REALLY IN THIS AREA OF OUR MIDDLE INCOME SUBDIVISIONS.
CARVER GARDENS, NELSON CIRCLE, CHARLESTON HEIGHTS.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF ZOOM IN ON THE AREA AND SHOW THE DISPERSAL OF CASES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, DENIED.
ALSO, YOUR TWO CASES THAT ARE ON HOLD ARE IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
UM, MOVING UP TO YORKTOWN VILLAGE, UH, WE SEE A CONCENTRATION HERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS OUR PRIMARY TOURIST AREA, SO IT KIND OF FOLLOWS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THIS USE HERE.
UM, SOME OF THESE ARE BED IN BREAKFAST, SOME ARE TOURIST HOME.
WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT HAVE CEASED OPERATING AS WELL.
WE REPRESENTED THAT, UM, TO KIND OF BRIEFLY LOOK AT THE UPPER COUNTY.
UM, YOU DON'T SEE AS MUCH CON MUCH CONCENTRATION HERE.
UM, WE HAVE THREE SUCCESSFUL CASES.
UM, TWO WERE ACTUALLY HAVE CEASED OPERATING AND THEN WE HAVE TWO DENIALS.
AND THEN KIND OF A SIMILAR SITUATION GOING DOWN TO LOWER COUNTY, WE SEE THAT DISPERSAL THERE, UM, WITH KIND OF A MIX OF APPROVALS, DENIALS, AND THEN YOU SEE CESSATION AND OPERATION.
WELL, THE, THE ONES THAT HAVE CEASED OPERATING, DOES THAT MEAN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS STILL IN EFFECT? OR IS IT CASE BY CASE BASIS? WELL, OKAY, IF IT'S KIND OF A TWOFOLD THERE.
UM, SOME THE, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE HAS NOT BEEN RENEWED.
OUR INSPECTOR NOTES THAT, UM, AND THEN WHEN THE USE CEASES FOR TWO YEARS, UM, THEIR USE PERMITS VOID.
SO THERE'S ALSO IN THAT DATA THOUGH, UM, I WILL POINT, THERE'S A COUPLE THAT THEY HAVEN'T INITIATED THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE.
SO THEY'RE NOT OPERATING, BUT THEY DO HAVE AN APPROVED USE PERMIT AND THEN DUE TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT THEIR, THE EXTENSIONS, UM, IT BUMPS THEM OUT TO LIKE 2024.
SO THE USE PERMIT IS WITHIN THE TWO YEARS IF THEY HAVEN'T BEGUN THE OPERATION OF USE? YES.
THE UH, I THINK THAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS, I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IS THAT WE TIED THE USE PERMIT TO THE RESIDENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
RECENTLY WE STARTED DOING THAT.
AND THAT, WHICH WAS NOT, THAT WASN'T HISTORICALLY THE CASE SOLD.
ARE THESE, WERE THESE TIED TO, UH, THE ONES? THERE'S A MIXTURE.
SOME, UM, SOME WERE AND SOME WEREN'T.
UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THE ONES THAT WERE RAN WITH THE LAND, UM, SINCE THEY CEASED THE USE FOR TWO YEARS, THAT THE, THE USE PERMITS VOID.
SO IF EVEN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TIED TO THE LAND, SEE IT'S NOT USING THE OR.
SO I GUESS WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD CONSTITUTE NOT USE? NOT HAVING A BUSINESS LICENSE.
IF THEY CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING IT FOR 24 MONTHS, THEN THAT WOULD, THEY WOULD LOSE THEIR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT WE'VE HAD 'EM IN THE PAST OPERATING WITHOUT A BUSINESS LICENSE.
SO HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THIS? YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE SPEAKING OF ONES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND HAVE A USE PERMIT.
SO THOSE ARE INSPECTED ANNUALLY.
SO YEAH, IF WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL ONE, WE GO, WE GO AFTER THEM ZONING ENFORCEMENT WISE.
SO HOW DO YOU, IF THEY HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, HOW DO YOU TELL THEY'RE OPERATING? NOT JUST CHECK TO SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN RENTED OUT OR OUR INSPECTOR GOES OUT ONCE A YEAR TO REVIEW IT AND THEY CHECK THEIR GUEST BOOK AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THAT.
AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
SHE GETS DATA FROM THE COMMISSIONER AS WELL.
ARE OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WE ISSUE TIED TO TWO YEAR RESTRICTIONS? THAT'S, YES.
EVERY, EVERY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A, IS A TWO YEAR TIME.
I KNEW THERE WAS SOME, I THOUGHT SOME OF 'EM WERE JUST THERE FOREVER ONCE WE CHANGED IT.
IT WENT CONVEYED WITH THE LAND AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF CONVEYS WITH THE LAND, AS LONG AS THE USE IS STILL GOING, IT'S OKAY.
BUT IF IT CEASES FOR 24 MONTHS, THEN IT GOES AWAY.
AND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING FOR 24 WITHIN THAT PERIOD.
IS THERE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WE ISSUE? I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL, ALL THE STUFF WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WE ISSUED.
THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
I CAN'T THINK OF, I CAN'T THINK OF ONE ON THE TOP.
BECAUSE THAT OTHERWISE THERE WOULDN'T KNOW HOW WE CHECKED IT BEEN.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, HOW DOES A TIMESHARE WORK? 'CAUSE THAT'S ALSO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
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THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE OPERATING, UM, THEY ARE CONSIDERED MORE LIKE A HOTEL.
I MEAN, THEY'RE CONSIDERED A TIMESHARE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO SHORT TERM RENTALS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO WEEKLY.
SO IS THAT A BUYRIGHT OR IS IT AUTOMATICALLY UH, UH, IT'S PART OF THEIR USE.
SO THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED AS TIMESHARES.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE ALL SPECIAL.
NO, THEY'RE ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
SO, UM, THEY WERE ALL APPROVED IN THE PAST AND SO THEY'RE JUST CONTINUE TO RUN AS LONG AS THEY'RE RUNNING AS A TIMESHARE.
BUT THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS TIMESHARES AS OPPOSED TO YES.
CLASSIFIED AS SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BECAUSE IT'S ALL DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION.
SHORT TERM, 'CAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT SUVS.
IT'S SUVS THAT GO WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WELL, IT'S KIND OF A AND OR IT'S A, IT'S A BOTH BECAUSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS THE PROCESS AND THE S ST R IS THE USE.
SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
SOME OF THEM REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
TOURIST HOMES, WHICH WE ARE CO WE'RE LABELING AS TOURISTS ST IN THIS CONVERSATION, UM, ARE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EXCEPT FOR IN COMMERCIALS AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THAT CARRIES WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT THE OWNER? CORRECT.
UNLESS, UNLESS THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN APPLIED THROUGH THE STR APPROVAL PROCESS BY THE BOARD THAT SAYS IT TERMINATES UPON OWNERSHIP.
WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH RECENT STR IS TIED TO THE OWNERSHIP.
SO THEN IF THE OWNER GOES AWAY, THEN THE SUP DISSOLVES.
RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S, I WAS TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, UM, PROCEEDING FORWARD, UM, WE WANTED TO BREAK DOWN SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS BETWEEN WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FOR A TOURIST HOME AND WHAT'S BEEN SPECIFIED AS A BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, VISUALIZE THAT IN THE PIE CHARTS THERE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, OF THE 24 PROOF TOURIST HOMES, 17 ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AND THEN OUT OF APPROVED BREAD AND BREAKFAST, WE HAVE THREE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION.
ALSO, JUST A QUICK NOTE, UM, IN REGARDS TO APPROVED TOURIST HOMES, UM, I WANNA POINT OUT FOR ZONING, ZONING ENFORCEMENT, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD FOR LEGALLY OPERATING TOURIST HOMES, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ZONING COMPLAINTS OR TAKEN ZONING ACTION ON THOSE.
AND THE ON HOLD MEANS THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T COME TO US FOR NO.
YES, THOSE ARE THE TWO WHICH, UM, I, I'LL MENTION THEM AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE JUST BEEN TO PC, HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE BOARD YET.
SO JUST SOME FURTHER VISUALIZATION, UM, OF DATA.
WE, WE WANTED TO SORT OF PROVIDE A VISUAL HERE OF THE SHARE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS AS COMPARED TO TOTAL APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, STARTING THERE IN FISCAL YEAR 2015.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE SEE AN UPTICK IN STR APPLICATION STARTING THERE.
AND THIS IS FOR THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2023.
SO THAT'D BE JULY OF LAST YEAR.
UM, GREEN IS SHERIFF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS COMPARED TO TOTAL APPLICATIONS.
AND WE DO HAVE TWO YEARS, NOTABLY FY 2019 FY 22, WHERE IT APPROACHES HALF, BUT IN LARGE, IT DOESN'T MAKE UP THE LION'S SHARE OF TOTAL APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I WON'T READ THROUGH ALL OF OUR CURRENTS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
I'LL JUST KIND OF QUICKLY RECAP THESE.
UM, AS WE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTALS MATTER.
THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND YOU USE PERMIT RESIDENTIAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
YOU NEED TO, YOU HAVE TO LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, JUST LIKE HOME OCCUPATIONS.
UM, TOURIST HOMES, CURRENT LANGUAGE IS OWNERS SHALL RESIDE IN HOME OR DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UM, MAXIMUM GETS DETERMINED BY THE BOARD, UM, BASED ON DENSITY, CHARACTER OF THE USE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, SIZE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN STR, UM, FOR AN SEP LOOKING AT THE ROADWAY NETWORK.
SO ARE YOU ON A DIRT COUNTRY LANE VERSUS A MAJOR ROAD? AND TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WE DO ALSO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE, THE ACTUAL QUOTE'S QUITE LONG.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THIS PIECE HERE.
UM, REALLY, REALLY, THE, THE COMP PLAN ADVISES THAT THEY BE REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS RATHER THAN BEING ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
AND THAT THIS SUP REVIEW PROCESS ALLOWS THE NEIGHBORS TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT TO THE DECISION MAKERS AND REALLY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR EACH OF THESE APPLICATIONS AND EACH SITE.
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OF THIS PROCESS, UM, WE, WE WANT TO LOOK AT HOW DO OTHER LOCALITIES REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AROUND US AND WHAT, WHAT IS WORKING FOR THEM? WHAT IS NOT WORKING FOR THEM? UM, SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR NEIGHBORING ADJACENT LOCALITIES ON THE PENINSULA AND THEN GLOUCESTER.UM, THIS TABLE HERE IS MY ATTEMPT TO SORT OF QUANTIFY THAT.
UM, BREAKING UP, LIKE DO THEY HAVE GUIDANCE IN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR STR BY RIGHT.
DO THEY REQUIRE USE PERMIT OR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION? AND ARE THERE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE? HMM.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS TABLE HERE.
SO FOR WILLIAMSBURG, UM, YES, THEY DO ALLOW YOU TO RENT ONE ROOM IN A HOUSE BY RIGHT.
OTHERWISE IT REQUIRES, UM, A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THEY ONLY ALLOW THE RENTAL OF ROOMS IN A HOUSE WHERE YOU LIVE ON SITE OR SMALL IN, UM, ALSO TO TERM CLARIFY THE TERMINOLOGY FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
UM, IN THIS CASE, FOR THESE PARTICULAR LOCALITIES, FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE SPECIAL EXCEPTION GOES THROUGH THEIR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
AND THAT'S THE MECHANISM IN WHICH THAT'S APPROVED.
IT'S GO TO THEIR GOVERNING BODY.
JUST A DISTINCTION TO MAKE, UH, REALLY THAT'S SPECIFIC TO WILLIAMSBURG AND GLOUCESTER.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO THEY DO HAVE, YOU CAN THEY PROVIDE WHERE YOU CAN GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO RUN A GUEST HOUSE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THIS INTERESTING BIT OF LANGUAGE IN THEIR PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, THE LANGUAGE ESSENTIALLY SAYS LIKE LONG AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T DEFINE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ANYWHERE OR TOURIST HOME.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE EXTENT IN THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE THAT SHOWS UP.
UM, JAMES CITY COUNTY, THEY DO HAVE, UM, COMP PLAN CRITERIA, ACTUALLY FOUR SPECIFIC ONES, WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS LATER IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, IN WHICH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LANGUAGE ESSENTIALLY, UM, FOR USE PERMITS, ADVISES THAT THE BOARD TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN EXAMINING USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, IT'S BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BY RIGHT.
IN SOME DISTRICTS IN JAMES CITY, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
UM, SOME MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICTS RENTAL ROOMS, AND THEN ALSO WHOLE LIKE MUL RENTAL MULTIPLE ROOMS. UM, AND OTHER PLACES IT'S USE PERMIT ONLY.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO I'M REFERRING TO AS IT IS CURRENTLY ADOPTED.
UM, THE ONLY LANGUAGE THEY HAVE IS ESSENTIALLY READS IN THESE PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU CAN HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH A USE PERMIT AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OUTSIDE OF THAT, ASIDE FROM WHAT WOULD BE IN A USE PERMIT, UM, APPROVED BY THEIR CITY COUNCIL.
GO, GO BACK TO JAMES CITY REAL QUICK.
AND IT NEEDS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WHAT, WHAT IN DIFFERING DISTRICTS.
UM, WHICH, SO SIMILAR TO HERE WHERE MM-HMM.
SO THEY HAVE STRICT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UM, BUT THE CONVERSE OF THAT IS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
IF YOU CAN MEET THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A ZONING CERTIFICATE THAT'S RENEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, ARE THEY ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE? UH, YES.
UM, THERE'S JUST ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE AND, AND SOME OF THE THINGS WHERE, UM, LIKE FOR OWNER LIVING ON SITE AND THEN LIKE ROOMS AND STUFF THAT'S CODIFYING THE ORDINANCE VERSUS BEING LEFT UP TO LIKE A CONDITION OF USE PERMIT.
BUT I'D HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THEM SPECIFICALLY TO PULL IT OUT.
UM, SO, SO KIND OF LOOKING AT THE COUNTY, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THESE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GUIDANCE IN OUR COMP PLAN.
THE COMMERCIAL USE PERMIT AND RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO CONTEXTUALIZE WHAT WE DO.
UM, AS COMPARED TO OTHER LOCALITIES, YOU HAVEN'T LISTED DENSITY, WHICH OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE A DENSITY LIMIT ON SDRS? UM, NONE THAT I'M AWARE.
I MEAN, HAMPTON IS HAMPTON'S EXPLORING THAT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T PASSED THAT OR ADOPTED THAT YET.
I UNDERSTOOD THEY'RE ADOPTING 1%.
WHAT? WELL, D IT DEPENDS ON THEIR, BECAUSE THEY'RE BREAKING IT UP INTO THOSE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS, WHICH I DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT'S BASED ON CENSUS BLOCK OR NOT.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEIR, JUST FROM THE READ I DID AT THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, IT WAS TWO, TWO AND 3% IN SOME PLACES.
AND THEN OTHERS WERE ONE, IT'S VERY, SOME OF THEIR MORE POPULAR AREAS, THEY WERE MA THEY WERE UPPING THE NUMBER TWO 3% OF WHAT, WHAT'S OUR CURRENT PERCENT OF DENSITY OF THE TOTAL AREA THAT THEY, WHERE THEY DRAW THE BOUNDARY OF THE DENSITY AT HOMES.
SO TALKING ABOUT POPULATION, THE HOW AND THE HOMES BUILT
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THE HOMES AND WHAT'S OUR DENSITY 0.00075.UM, OUT OF LIKE, YEAH, 26,500 HOUSING UNITS APPROXIMATELY.
WE HAVE 17 CURRENTLY, SO 0.0, ZERO ZERO.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A CALCULATION OF THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT OF HOUSES.
BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT
YOU DON'T WANNA BE OVER, YOU DON'T WANT ALL THAT TO BE IN ONE SPOT.
AND MY FEAR IS THAT IT'S ALL IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREA, ALL IN THE LOW.
LOW COST HOUSING, THAT JUST GETS SNAPPED OUT.
UM, TO QUICKLY RECAP, UM, JUST STR DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS.
SO FOLLOWING THE AMENDMENTS PASSED BY THE BOARD IN 2020, UM, TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, THERE WAS FURTHER ENGAGEMENT, UM, WITH PLANNING STAFF, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, AND THEN CITIZENS.
UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT ENGAGEMENT, UM, A PLANNING WORK SESSION PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION WAS HELD, UM, THAT INVOLVED CITIZENS, UM, SOME TOURIST OWNER OPERATORS AND THE COMMISSION, UM, FOLLOWING WHAT KIND OF CAME OUTTA THAT WORK SESSION.
TWO, SUBSEQUENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AT THE END OF 2021, FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION.
OUT OF ALL THREE OF THOSE MEETINGS, STAFF DRAFTED, UM, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE END OF 2022.
RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL WAS ISSUED, UM, FOLLOWING THAT SUMMER LAST YEAR.
THOSE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS CAME TO THE BOARD AND WENT TO, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO DEFER A DECISION ON THOSE.
SO THESE WERE THE TOPICS DISCUSSED, UM, IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE MEMO, UM, THAT WAS CAME WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CORRESPONDENCE PROCEEDING THIS MEETING.
SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THESE IN DETAIL, JUST AGAIN IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
UM, BUT THIS KIND OF WAS A RECAP OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, AND, AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED CITIZENS HAD THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE FELT WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL CRITERIA WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? UM, DENSITY CAPS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RENTAL LIMITS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IT SORT OF ADDITIONAL ZONING ENFORCEMENT MIGHT BE APPROVAL.
LIKE WHAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR STAFF.
REVENUES WERE MISSING ON THAT LIST.
AND THAT WAS CLEARLY ONE OF THE TOPICS.
ARE WE GETTING THE REVENUES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING FROM THE TAXES ASSOCIATED WITH SDRS AND TIMESHARES AND HOTELS? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? HOW ARE WE MEASURING IT? WHAT, WHAT PERCENT IS, IS IS IT WORTH THE PAIN IN THE EFFORT TO DISTURB NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY KIND OF A, UH, BOOST IN OUR REVENUES? SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S STILL AN ONGOING QUESTION THAT I WANNA HEAR AN ANSWER TO.
WOULD THAT COME FROM THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE? YES.
THAT WOULD COME FROM THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE, NOT THE STAFF.
BUT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT THESE ARE WORTH THE PAIN THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
I'M SORRY, BUT LET ME UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, WORTH THE PAIN.
SO WHEN YOU ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S A PERSON'S WANTS TO USE THEIR PROPERTY.
OKAY? THE PAIN IS WHETHER IT IS GONNA BE PAIN IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S IF, IF IT'S THE DISTURBANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
THEY CAN COME AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT FOR THIS BOARD, IT IS IT, WE GOTTA TREAD CAREFULLY, CHAD, SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE FOR HOMES, NOT HOTELS.
AND I, I'LL QUOTE 'EM ON THAT.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING HOTELS RESIDENCE, BUT AREAS, THE, THE FINANCIAL ASPECT IS A PIECE, IS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
IT'S CLEARLY A PIECE AND IT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
BUT, UM, IT ALSO, THIS IS ALSO ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY, WANT TO.
SO IT'S NOT STRICTLY A, IS IT, DOES THE DOLLARS MAKE SENSE TO THE COUNTY? AGAIN, PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, BUT NOT THE WHOLE PUZZLE.
UM, TO KIND OF RECAP SOME OF THE CONCLUSIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THOSE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, UM, ULTIMATELY REGULATIONS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE NEED TO PROVIDE CLARITY AND GUIDANCE BOTH APPLICANTS AND DECISION MAKERS.
UM, AND SO THE KIND OF THE THOUGHT WAS THAT MAINTAINING SPECIAL USE REQUIREMENTS AND HA REQUIRING A USE PERMIT'S REALLY CRITICAL HERE.
UM, SORT OF CREATING SOME, A SET OF REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE BUYRIGHT IN THIS.
WE SEE SUCH A VARIETY IN LOT SIZE, NEIGHBORHOOD, GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION FOR THESE APPLICATIONS.
THAT ONE SIZE ORDINANCE TRULY DOES NOT FIT ALL.
AND REALLY IN THIS CASE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SHORT TERM RENTALS, THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REALLY CRITICAL TO DECISION MAKING AND GETTING INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, THIS KIND OF ENSURES THAT WHEN THESE ARE BEING
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PROPOSED, THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'RE LOCATED IN.SO THAT LEFT KIND OF LED STAFF TO PROPOSE THIS PREVIOUS DRAFT OF ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
JUST GONNA QUICKLY RECAP THOSE.
UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPROVALS EXPIRING WHEN PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IS TRANSFERRED.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
SO WE DECIDE TO PUT THIS IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, PROPOSED, PUTTING IT IN THE ORDINANCE, UM, TIGHTENING UP THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OF LIVING ON SITE OR DESIGNATING A RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UM, BY SAYING THAT IT'S PREFERRED, BUT AGAIN, LEAVING IT UP TO THE BOARD THAT IF THE APPLICANT CAN DEMONSTRATE ADEQUATELY THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF PROVISIONS IN PLACE, MODERATE GUEST BEHAVIOR, ALLOWING THAT AS A CONDITION, UM, CONDITION, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA STR OWNERS HAVE TO MAINTAIN A GUEST LOGBOOK.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
THE BOARD COULD IMPOSE A CONDITION AND A USE PERMIT IF THEY FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO PROPOSE A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT WOULD BE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO APPLY TO EVERYBODY.
UM, AGAIN, LANGUAGE THAT THE COMMISSION AND BOARD CONSIDER THE PRESENCE OF OTHER LEGALLY OPERATING SHORT TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE SAME GENERAL AREA.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALREADY DONE IN PRACTICE, BUT PUTTING THAT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, REMOVING THE LANGUAGE REQUIRING THE OWNER OF BED AND BREAKFAST BE ONSITE OPERATOR.
UM, THE LAST ONE ABOUT EXTERIOR COOKING APPLIANCES.
UM, THIS IS A CONDITION THAT WAS PROPOSED BY FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY FOR EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN JUST, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE BOARD CAN ESTABLISH LIMITS YOU DEEM NECESSARY AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WHEN YOU'RE IN APPROVING, APPROVING A USE PERMIT FOR AN STR APPLICATION.
UM, ALSO JUST A REMINDER, UM, IF ANY NEW ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE APPROVED BY THE BOARD, UM, LEGALLY EXISTING STR RIGHT NOW WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED UNDER PREVIOUS PROVISIONS.
THESE WILL ONLY APPLY TO NEW APPLICATIONS.
SO LOOKING AT NEXT STEPS, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE TWO CASES ON HOLD.
TERESA, CAN WE, MS. CHAIRMAN, LET'S BACK UP HERE FOR A SECOND.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE LEGALLY EXISTING ONES.
MY CONCERNS IS THAT UNDER THIS STATE, NEW STATE CODE MM-HMM.
WE'VE GOT DATE, I WON'T VOID IT.
WE JUST CAN'T MAKE REGULATIONS FOR PEOPLE'S PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
SO WE COULD, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, THEY COULD STILL COME TO THE BOARD AND YOU COULD ESTABLISH RE UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR THAT.
SO HOW DOES THIS NEW LAW, HOW IS THIS NEW LOSS SUPPOSED TO AFFECT THIS? I THOUGHT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHETHER IT'S ONE ROOM OR A WHOLE HOUSE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO RENT A ROOM, THE NEW LAW SAYS THAT IF YOU OWE YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, AS MS. NOEL SAID, IF SHE DECIDED TO GO TO THE BEACH FOR JUNE, JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST, AND SHE WANTED TO RENT HER HOME IN YORK COUNTY, THAT SHE COULD RENT IT AS A SHORT, AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BECAUSE IT'S MY, THAT'S PRIMARY RESIDE.
BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT RICHARD, WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S ONLY, THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT'S GRANDFATHERED.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT, THAT NARROW PROVISION THAT DEALS WITH THE RIGHT RESIDENCE.
IF YOU'RE, IF, IF IT'S YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND YOU USE IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, ANY, ANY ORDINANCE AFTER JANUARY 1ST COULD NOT PROHIBIT THAT.
WE HAVE A PRE-EXISTING REQUIREMENT FOR THAT THAT WAS PASSED BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST.
SO AS OF NOW, THAT'S GRANDFATHERED.
AND THE WAY I READ THAT ORDINANCE DOES IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT PLANNING HAS OF THAT, MY CONCERN IS IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, OUR, OUR ABILITY TO APPLY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT ONE NARROW INSTANCE WOULD BE VOIDED IF WE MADE, IF WE, IF WE PASS A NEW ORDINANCE, IF, IF, IF, IF THE, IF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS LAW GO INTO EFFECT, WHICH WE YEAH.
WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT EVEN TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT.
IF THE PROVISION OF THIS LAW IS IN EFFECT IS WRITTEN OUT, NOTHING THAT WE DO TODAY, TOMORROW IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY AS THE ORDINANCE WAS CODIFIED AS DECEMBER 31ST OF LAST YEAR, ONLY AS TO, UM, REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY OCCUPIES THE RESIDENCE AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE ONLY IN THOSE CASES WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT IF, BUT IF WE, IF WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR HOMES THAT PEOPLE OWN THAT ARE NOT THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL, THAT'S,
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THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPOSED LAW.THAT'S TO BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
EXCEPT FOR IF YOU PASSED IT, THE NEW ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT WAS PASSED AFTER DECEMBER 31ST UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THIS LAW, THAT ORDINANCE, IF IT DIDN'T CONTAIN IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DEEMED TO ESSENTIALLY CONTAIN A A BY RIGHT.
IN THOSE, IN THE CASES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OCCUPIED AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
WELL, AND, AND THAT GETS INTO HOW IS LEGALLY OCCUPIED PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR ALL THAT STUFF IS EVENTUALLY DEFINED AND WE GOTTA WAIT FOR THE DUST TO SELL.
I GOT THE PART WITH THE WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
YOU LIVE OVER VIRGINIA BEACH, YOU CAN RENT IT OUT.
IS THERE, WHAT'S, WHAT, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT TODAY FOR IT TO DO THAT IN YORK COUNTY? YEAH.
WELL, HE STILL DO IT BECAUSE GRANDFATHERED.
BUT YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO USE PERMIT IN THAT CASE.
WE, IF, IF THAT LAW GOES INTO EFFECT, IF WE MAKE NO CHANGES TO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE CAN CONTINUE SAME PATH, BE DOING THAT SAME THING.
WHAT WOULD CHANGE, WHAT IF WHAT ACTIONS IF WE DID AFTERWARDS, WOULD AFFECT THAT? WELL, THE WAY IT WORDED IS IT SAYS, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO SECOND GUESS HOW IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE INTERPRETED BY THE SUPREME COURT OF VIRGINIA WAY.
THE ORDINANCE PUTS IN DANGER OF BEING AVOIDED.
THE WAY THE, OR THE WAY THE CODE SECTION IS WRITTEN IS IT SAYS ANY ORDINANCE PASSED AFTER DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
SO 23, WE, WE, WE AMEND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN OUR CODE BY PASSING ORDINANCES RIGHT.
SO IF WE MAKE A, IF WE PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT CONTAINS RE SHORT TERM RENTAL REQUIREMENTS OR WHOLE HOUSE FOR ANYTHING, ANYTHING, ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF AVOIDING THE GRANDFATHER.
THERE'D BE NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED.
BUT ONLY, ONLY FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE PRIMARY THAT THE, UM, OWNER OCCUPIES AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
IT WOULDN'T AFFECT IF YOU DON'T OCCUPY IT AS YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, IF IT'S AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY, IF IT'S A SECONDARY RESIDENCE, ANY OF THOSE OTHER SITUATIONS, IT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS LAW,
IT IT IS TO ALLOW BY RIGHT PRIMARY, BY RIGHT BY INDIVIDUALS TO, TO HAVE A SHORT TERM, UH, RE A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN A HOME THAT THEY OCCUPY AS THEIR PRIMARY RESIDE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
THEY STILL HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN YOUR COUNTY AND OTHER PLACES TO HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED BEFORE? NOT IN ALL CASES.
WHAT CASES, SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU JUST RECENTLY APPROVED THE BAR LAW APPLICATION.
IF THEY HAD COME FORWARD AFTER THIS LAW PASSED, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO WHAT I DON'T REMEMBER THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY WERE LIVING AT THEIR HOME PARK TIME.
AND THEY WERE LIVING IN KISS OR CHINEY RIVER THE REST OF THE YEAR, CHARLES.
SO WHEN THEY WERE THERE, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE WAS THE ONE IN YORK COUNTY.
BUT WHEN THEY WERE LIVING IN THE OTHER HOUSE, THEY WERE WANTING TO RENT OUT FOR SHORTTERM RENTAL THEIR HOME.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE A BUY RIGHT.
USE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, YORKTOWN COTTAGES OVER HERE.
THAT'S MORE OF AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY PROPERTY OWNER.
THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T LIVE ON SITE.
THEY LIVE IN, UH, IN MARLE BANK.
UM, AND THEY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO IF SOMEONE'S RENTING A ROOM OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, IT'S BY, AND THIS LAW IS PASSED, IT'D BE BY RIGHT.
IT WOULDN'T COME TO THE BOARD.
IT WOULDN'T GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THERE WOULD BE NO NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO RENT A ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU WANTED PUT IT UP ON AIRBNB.
WE HAD THE YORKSHIRE DOWNS HOUSE WHERE THEY HAD THE UPSTAIRS BEDROOM THAT THEY WANTED TO DO STR.
SO THAT WENT, THAT WAS PUBLIC PROCESS.
IT WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
LIKE IF THE OWNERSHIP EVER WENT AWAY, IF THIS LAW CHANGED, IF THAT PERSON WERE TO COME IN, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT BY RIGHT.
MEAN THAT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS CAN'T BE APPLIED ANYTHING.
I MEAN, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY.
IT'S, IT'S YOU, SINCE THERE'S NO USE PERMIT, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
THE CURRENT ONES DO CURRENT CURRENT ONES WOULD APPLY STANDARDS.
BUT THE BOARD IN APPROVING THE SUP COULD ESTABLISH CONDITIONS ALWAYS.
BUT ONLY IF AN SUP IS REQUIRED.
IF THIS LAW GOES THROUGH THE SUP.
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SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S A ROOM WITHIN A HOME THAT'S, THAT'S A BY RIGHT.AND THAT, THAT'S JUST A CONFUSING PART.
SO I'M GLAD WE HAVE A PLANNING STAFF TO BE ABLE TO SORT THIS OUT WHEN PEOPLE COME FORWARD.
OTHERWISE YOU GOT TO DRAW ME A MAP HERE WITH LITTLE BLOCKS ON IT SHOWING ME WHERE, WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
THE, THE, THE CRITICAL, THE CRITICAL THING TO THINK ABOUT IS THE, THE, THE STATUS OF THE ORDINANCE IS WE, WE'VE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED A COMPREHENSIVE ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH ZONING IN YORK COUNTY.
IF WE PASS A NEW ORDINANCE AFTER, UH, DECEMBER 31ST, 2023, THAT CONTAINS WITHIN IT, WHICH IT WOULD, BECAUSE OUR CURRENT ONE DOES, AND WE, WE PASS AN AMENDMENT, AN AMENDMENT WOULD BE A, ESSENTIALLY PASSING THE SAME THING, BUT WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT REQUIRES AN SUP THAT WOULD NO, THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE VALID IN THESE TYPES OF CASES WHERE SOMEBODY OCCUPIES IT AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
YOU COULD REQUIRE IN ANY OTHER CASE, BUT NOT IN THOSE CASES.
BUT THEN THERE'S A QUESTION AS TO IF YOU DON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE EXISTING ABILITY TO REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, PRESUMABLY WOULD, WOULD RETAIN, WOULD REMAIN INTACT.
I NO QUESTIONS
THAT ALL UNTIL WE SEE WHAT I, IF WE DID LET THE COURTS GET, WE CAN'T.
LET THE COURTS GET INVOLVED IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION.
TELL US WHAT WE GOTTA DO THERE.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT BY RIGHT.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T ALSO, ALSO THEY STILL NEED TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE.
OH, THEY NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEY NEED CERTAIN CRITERIA.
DON'T THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE CURRENT PERFORMANCE STANDARD.
THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE MET.
UM, BOARD, YOU HAVE TWO CASES CURRENTLY ON HOLD.
THERESA AND DONALD NEWSOM WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAY 10TH LAST YEAR.
AND THEN HOPE DURLEY, UM, ANOTHER STR APPLICATION HEARD BY PLANNING COMMISSION AUGUST 9TH LAST YEAR.
UNDER STATE LAW GOVERNING BODY, UM, HAS 12 MONTHS AFTER THE DATE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING TO HEAR A CASE AND MAKE A DECISION.
SO REALISTICALLY, FOR THE NEWUMS, THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE HEARD IN APRIL.
'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE NEEDS TO BE HEARD.
AND THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO IN APRIL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THAT.
UM, AND, AND ULTIMATELY, UM, PLANNING STAFF, WE ARE, WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM YOU ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CRITERIA.
SO WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT THAT HAS A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, TYING IT TO THE OWNER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, BUT THAT WAS DEFERRED UNTIL YOU GUYS ARE EITHER WANT TO TAKE IT BACK UP OR NOT.
UM, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WAS IN THE READ AHEAD THAT YOU WERE GIVEN.
UM, BUT WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER CHANGES ARE OUT THERE.
UM, I MEAN, MR. ROY, YOU DID GIVE ME THE QUESTIONS EARLIER, UH, YESTERDAY OR LATER YESTERDAY ABOUT THAT I DID GET SOME INFORMATION BACK FROM THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE.
SO, UH, SHE TOLD ME THAT FOR, UM, AIRBNB, UH, THEY ARE SUBMITTING PAYMENTS EVERY MONTH.
UH, THEY HAVE TO PAY TO THE COUNTY.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT PROCESS ABOUT LUMP SUMS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, IT'S TIED TO LIKE GROSS RECEIPTS, BUT EACH, EACH SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNER HAS TO FILE A REPORT WITH THE COUNTY.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY THAT AIRBNB AND VRBO IS GIVING THE COUNTY, THEY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS ALSO LIABLE SUBMITTING DOCUMENTATION.
UH, FILE MONTHLY WITH OUR OFFICE.
UH, SHE SAYS THEY FILE MONTHLY THEIR GROSS RECEIPTS, THE AMOUNT OF TAX REMITTED ON THE BEHALF OF EITHER AIRBNB OR VRBO AND THE NUMBER OF ROOMS WERE THAT WERE OCCUPIED THAT MONTH.
UM, IS THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT HOTELS HAVE TO GENERALLY HAVE TO DO? CORRECT.
SHE, SHE GOES DOWN AND SAYS, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, INCLUDING TIMESHARES.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS ARE REQUIRED TO PAY THE LODGING TAX.
UM, THE INTERMEDIARY DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUSINESS LICENSE, BUT THE COUNTY DOES.
UM, AND YEAH, THAT PRETTY MUCH IS, I GUESS I WAS LOOKING FOR A RECAP OF, IS THAT WHOLE PROCESS WORKING? ARE WE SATISFIED THAT REVENUES ARE, I MEAN SARAH, SARAH WEBB TOLD ME THAT, THAT IT IS WORKING.
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OKAY.THEY'RE GETTING 'EM, THEY'RE MONITORING, UM, THEY HAVE 16 ACTIVE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND THE REASON THAT'S DIFFERENT, WE SAID 17, BUT THEY'RE 16.
THEY'VE GROUPED THE YORKTOWN COTTAGE APPLICATIONS THAT'S TOGETHER AS ONE OKAY.
UM, AND THEY'VE GOT THREE, THREE BED AND BREAKFASTS.
SO 16 ACTIVE SHORTTERM AND THREE BED BREAKFAST ARE THERE AND MANY SDRS.
HOW MANY, UM, TIMESHARES? UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE GAVE ME A TIMESHARE NUMBER.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW TIMESHARE NUMBER.
SO STREAM IS COMING IN AS EXPECTED.
SO WE DON'T APPROVE THAT ONE SOMETHING BY APRIL.
WHAT HAPPENS MAY OR MAY 10TH? YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE UP THE NEWSOM'S APPLICATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN APRIL.
AND YOU, IF YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, WHAT IF WE DON'T IT AUTOMATICALLY GET IT BY? RIGHT.
IT JUST IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW, NO PENALTY.
IT'S A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.
SO WE REQUIRE, REQUIRES ACTION BY THE GOVERNING BODY IN ONE WAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE CODE SAYS.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, I MEAN, THEY COULD, THEY COULD THEORETICALLY GO TO COURT AND A COURT COULD ORDER US TO TAKE ACTION TO APPROVE IT OR TO TAKE ACTION.
NOT TO NOT TOUS OR WHATEVER IT CALLED.
THEY CAN'T TELL US WHAT TO DO, BUT THEY CAN TELL US THAT WE HAD HAVE THAT.
DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE THE OPTION TO ASK FOR IT TO BE DEFERRED? SOME THEY COULD.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT THOUGH.
SUMS ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS YOU ALL ARE.
SO, I MEAN, AND YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER DECISION YOU WANNA MAKE FOR OR AGAINST THEM.
I MEAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT UP AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL AND WHATEVER DIRECT WE WOULD JUST, AND WE WOULD JUST MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON THE ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS TODAY AND IN THE SAME DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT WE USED HERE IN THE RECENT PAST.
AND NOTHING STOPS THAT FROM HAPPENING.
UM, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE HELD UP BASED ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH ORDINANCE OR WHAT THE STATE MAY DO WITH, WITH THEIR CURRENT NO, BILL IS DO IT.
SO WE GOT JULY, JULY, GOT TO JULY, CERTAINLY SHORTLY.
SO KNOW SOMETHING BY THEN ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THAT BILL.
WE SHOULD KNOW BY THEN THAT ONE, WHO KNOWS, IT'LL EITHER BE SIGNING THE LAW OR NOT BY THEN.
WHAT'S GOVERNOR'S CHOICES? IT SIGN IT OR VETO IT OR HE'S GOT THREE CHOICES HE CAN SIGN IN THE LAW AND USUALLY TAKES EFFECT ON JULY 1ST.
UNLESS HE SAYS EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.
HE CAN VETO IT AND IT GOES BACK AND PROBABLY, PROBABLY DIES THERE.
AND THEN IT BECOMES LOGGED JULY 1ST.
EXCEPT FOR THE PART ABOUT THE GOVERNOR HAS NO POWER TO CHANGE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF LEGISLATION.
THAT HAS TO BE, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS IF YOU DECLARE AN EMERGENCY OR IF IT TAKES EFFECT AS A RESULT OF ACTION IN A SPECIAL SESSION.
HE MAY ASK, HE CAN MAKE, HE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MODIFICATION.
AND THOSE HAVE TO BE VOTED ON IN THE VETO SESSION.
SO THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE THE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD CONSIDER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD VOTE ON THOSE.
THOSE REQUIRE, IN MOST CASES A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
AND THEN IF THEY, IF THE MOD, IF THOSE ARE APPROVED AND THE BILL GOES BACK TO THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN, UH, OR NOT SIGN BASED ON THOSE AMENDMENTS.
SO THE GOVERNOR ESSENTIALLY GETS A SECOND SHOT AT OKAY.
IF, IF HE SE IF HE MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AMENDMENTS AND POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION COULD BE INSTEAD OF JULY, THE, THE DECEMBER 31ST, 2023, UM, STIPULATION, HE COULD SAY, LISTEN, LET'S GIVE THE COUNTIES THE CITIES AN EXTRA YEAR TO CLEAN UP THEIR ORGANIZATIONS.
AND PUN IT TILL DECEMBER 31ST, 2024 POTENTIALLY.
SO THE GAME'S AFOOT AND WE'LL SEE, SEE WHAT COMES UP.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO YOUR ASK, WHAT IS IT THE BOARD, WHAT DIRECTION DO Y'ALL NEED FROM THE BOARD? MM-HMM.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT DO YOU ALL, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? DO YOU WANT US TO BRING THE ZONING, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AMENDMENT BACK TO YOU FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND REVIEW? OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT INFORMATION? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO ADD, TAKE AWAY? I WOULD IMAGINE THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGES IN ADDITIONS TO THE, TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE'LL NEED TO GET THAT TO YOU.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOME OF IT'S GONNA OVERLAP.
SOME OF IT'S GONNA HAVE STUFF UNIQUE, SO IT MAY MAKE THE MOST SENSE IF INDEPENDENTLY WE SHARE WITH YOU OUR THOUGHTS.
AND YOU CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT TO WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS THIS, ONE PERSON WANTS THAT.
AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO GET TOGETHER IN A WORK SESSION AND HASH OUT WHAT EXACTLY WE WANT THE PLANET PLANTED TO DO.
UNDERSTAND HOW THE, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED,
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HOW THE GOVERNMENT BILL PUTS US DOWN THE ROAD A BIT TO SAY THAT THAT WAY WE'RE STILL PROGRESSING AND THE HOST, WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES AND THEN WE'RE READY TO MAKE THE CHANGE.OR WE LEARN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGE, IN WHICH CASE WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT SIT AROUND THIS TABLE ALL NIGHT TONIGHT AND TRY TO HAMMERITE ALL THE DIFFERENT NUANCES.
WE WANT TO EACH OF US SUBMIT TO KAITLIN AND EARL OKAY.
OUR THOUGHTS, YOU'LL CONSOLIDATE AND WE'LL GET TOGETHER IN THE WORK SESSION TO HAMMER OUT THE FINAL VISION OF IT AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE ORDINANCE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO BE CHANGED TO.
CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT TO PUT A DATE ON THAT WHEN YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE RESPONSES TO EARL AND KAITLIN? SO, YEAH, GOOD POINT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE A MONTH BACK FROM MY NEXT WORK SESSION.
HOW, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD Y'ALL NEED TO, WE'RE DOING BUDGET AND IF WE'RE JUST COMPILING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL GIVE US, I MEAN, A COUPLE WEEKS AT A TIME BEFORE WOULD BE FINE.
SO I'D SAY MAYBE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW TO HAVE IT TO US ALL.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO, UM, BY, BY THE, BY OUR NEXT SESSION, LET'S HAVE OUR THOUGHTS SUBMITTED TO EARL AND KATELIN.
AND THEN YOU'D LIKE THIS ON THE WORK SESSION FOR, UM, APRIL, MARCH.
IF I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW MORE WHAT THAT COULD HAPPENED WITH THAT BILL.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU NEED? YEAH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SEND THEM BACK OUT THAT ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WE HAD PROPOSED BEFORE.
JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT OFF COVER.
THAT WAS IN HERE OR IT WAS IN THE, THE PACKET YOU GOT AND, AND, AND TO BE.
AND TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PAPERWORK SESSION.
IT'S NOT TO VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT TO HAMMER OUT WHAT THAT ORDINANCE WILL BE BASED ON ALL THE INPUT.
I KNOW YOU WERE GETTING A LITTLE NERVOUS.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THAT IN APRIL.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO TRY AND NAIL IT DOWN.
BUT WE NEED TO GET THIS COUPLE IN IN APRIL.
YOUR PUBLIC HEARING MEETING, THAT BE YOUR SECOND APRIL? THAT'S WHAT WE, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE BASED UPON THE ORDINANCE THAT EXISTS TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WAS THIS PACKAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE READ THAT ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION AND, UM, QUESTIONS THAT GO ALONG.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. NOEL AT THIS POINT? NO, I DON'T.
JUST TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS.
THAT WAS REALLY QUESTION, COMMENTS.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE LIVED THIS THREE TIMES WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOW HERE.
I THINK THERE'S A FEW MORE PIECES WE NEED TO, UH, DRILL IN, DRILL DOWN INTO AND CLOSE JURY.
THIS, DOES THIS HAVE ALL THE ORDINANCES FROM ALL THE CITIES? UH, I CAN SEND YOU THOSE IF YOU WANT.
I'M NO THANK LIKE, LIKE I SAID, GOOD JOB.
I KNOW JUST FROM, FROM MY POINT, MY FOCUS IS ON PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I WANT PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY, BUT NOT JUST THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE PERSON ASKING FOR THE SDR, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND THAT'S IN, IN, IN MY SUBMISSIONS TO Y'ALL NOW I'M GONNA BE SEEKING THAT BALANCE, SO, OKAY.
[2* Solid Waste Fees. Receive presentation from Robert Krieger, Director of Public Works, and Laurie Halperin, Waste Services Manager. ]
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SOLID WASTE FEES DISCUSSION COMING UP.MR. KRIEGER'S GONNA HELP US WITH THAT.
MR. KRIEGER AND, UH, LAURIE HALFORD AS WELL.
A WASTE SERVICES MANAGER COME UP HERE AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A, UH, PRECURSOR TO THE BUDGET.
IF, IF, SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO MAKE, UH, SOME CHANGES AND RATES, UH, IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE WITH THE BUDGET.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE, UM, STATE OF WASTE MANAGEMENT.
SO GOOD EVENING, SELF SUPPORTING.
SO PUBLIC WORKS IS, UH, HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT TDML OR PUMP STATIONS OR DAMS OR THANK YOU.
WE'RE, OR EVEN PICKLEBALL, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT, UH, ENTERPRISE FUND.
SO WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND? WELL, IT'S A SELF-SUPPORTING FUND THAT CHARGES FEES AND SUPPLIES SERVICES, UH, USING NO, UH, GENERAL FUND TAX DOLLARS.
UH, YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE, UH, THESE FEES ON YOUR UTILITY BILL FOR SOLID WASTE AND, AND RECYCLING
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CHARGES.AND THEY WOULD NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH, UH, SEWER UTILITY BUILDING BILLING, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A SEPARATE FUND.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND SERVICES, UH, SOME OF THE BIG ONES YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE WOULD BE, UH, THE TRANSFER STATION OPERATIONS, THE CURBSIDE GARBAGE COLLECTION, THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING COLLECTION, AND THEN, UH,
UH, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, YOU, WE'D TALK ABOUT THE VS A, UH, COMPOSTING OPERATIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS ARE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY THAT REPUBLIC OPERATES FOR US, RIGHT? UH, YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE, LAURIE, IS THAT THE RIGHT SUMMARY? UH, YEP.
AND THEN SOME OF THE, THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES, UH, FUNDED BY THE SOLID WASTE, UH, FUND ARE THE, UM, THE CONVENIENCE CENTER WHERE THERE'S A BUNCH OF ROLLBACK CONTAINERS.
UH, THEY'VE GOT SOME DROP OFF RECYCLING FOR CARDBOARD.
UH, THERE'S A METAL RECYCLING AREA AND A WHITE PILE, UH, COMPUTER RECYCLING AREA.
UH, HAZARDOUS WASTE, UM, COLLECTIONS, UH, FOR HOUSEHOLD, UH, LARGE, UH, DEBRIS PICKUP.
WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE KNUCKLE BOOM TRUCKS, LEAF COLLECTIONS.
I THINK WE PICKED UP AROUND 800 TONS OF LEAVES THIS LAST, UM, LAST FALL.
UM, SOME VERY, VERY POPULAR PAPER SHEDDING EVENTS.
AND THEN, UM, THEY, WE ALSO, UH, DO THE CONTRACTS, UH, FOR THE MONITORING AND POSSIBLE, UH, KIND OF HURRICANE ISABELLE, LIKE, UH, DEBRIS REMOVALS WITH CROWDER GOLF AND FEMA AND, AND THE COUNTS.
YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT, YOU HAVE A WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONTRACTS IN PLACE WHERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.
THOSE 800 TONS OF LEAVES YOU PICK UP, DO YOU TAKE THEM TO VSA FOR COMPOSTING AND YEP.
UH, THEY WILL GO INTO A TUB GRINDER AND THEN A LOT OF THOSE ARE TURNED EITHER INTO COMPOST.
THEY'VE GOT SOME DIFFERENT SOILS, MULES, UM, THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE BACK THERE.
IT'S FREE FOR THEM TO DROP IT OFF THERE.
SO IF YOU WERE GONNA GO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU MIGHT GET CHARGED UP WHATEVER THEIR GATE RATE WOULD BE.
YEAH, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING BIPSA GETS THE BENEFIT OF, UH, 800 TONS OF LEAVES DROPPED OFF FOR THEIR COM COMPOST AND THEN RESELLING OPERATIONS.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S VERY GOOD BENEFIT.
IF I'M, IF I BIPSA
A LOT OF EQUIPMENT TO MAINTAIN A LOT, LOT OF EQUIPMENT.
THERE'S ALSO OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE A LOT OF EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL TOO THAT PROVIDES SOME OF THOSE SERVICES.
GO COLLECT YOUR LEAVES AND TAKE THEM DOWN THERE.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MONOPOLY THERE.
BUT WHEN PEOPLE GO AND BUY IT, WE GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT, RIGHT? YOU MEAN BY GETTING THE COMPOST? MM-HMM.
BUT, BUT THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF FREE MATERIAL SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE MATERIAL OVERHEAD THAT MAYBE SOME COMMERCIAL.
SO ARE YOU THINKING MAYBE HAVING A CONTRACTOR, HAVE A CONTRACTOR WOULD COME BY WILLINGLY PICK IT UP AND, AND DO ALL THIS? UH, I'M JUST THINKING ON THE TOP OF HEAD WHEN I HEAR AN 800 TONS OF LEAVES.
IT'S A LOT OF LEAVES THAT'S FREE RAW MATERIAL.
UM, YOU GOT SOME RETAILERS OUT THERE THAT DON'T GET FREE RAW MATERIAL LIKE THAT THEY GOTTA BUY.
SO THAT PUTS S UH, A BIT OF AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO RETAILERS.
THEY GET, THEY GET FREE LEASE FREE RETURN, GET FREE DROP OFF, THEY GET FREE PICKUP THAT NO, WE, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THAT.
WELL, IT'S ALL PART OF YOUR, WELL, NO.
SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE LEAF COLLECTION GO INTO YOUR FEES? SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS UH, BIPSA USES THE LEAF COLLECTIONS.
THEY GRIND UP THE MULCH, THEY CAPTURE A COST AND THEY PUT IT BACK IN THEIR OPS OP, YOU KNOW, THEIR OPERATIONS TO PAY FOR SALARIES, REPAIR EQUIPMENT.
AND THEY ALSO WILL, UH, PART OF THEIR FEES ARE THE BULK
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LIMBS, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE TAKE TO THEM.AND THEY WILL USE THOSE AND TURN IT BACK INTO MULCH AND FOR THEIR OPERATIONS.
SO, SO ASK, LET ME ASK THIS IS VS A, IS THIS A GENERATE A PROFIT FROM THE SALES OF MULCH OR IS IT JUST TO COVER THE, THE OPERATIONS.
OPERATIONS? JUST TO COVER THE OP VSA IS A QUASI GOVERNMENTAL BODY THAT IS MADE UP OF MEMBER COMMUNITIES.
YORK IS ONE OF THE MEMBER COMMUNITIES, SO WE ALL KIND OF PUT IN, UM, TWO VS A.
AND THE MONEY THAT VSA MAKES, UM, PAYS FOR ITSELF.
I GUESS THEY'RE KIND OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND UNTO THEM THEMSELVES.
SO, AND THEY PROVIDE GOOD SERVICES AT BETTER PRICES FOR YORK COUNTY BECAUSE OF SCALE? BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE OF US.
SO IT'S GOOD THAT IT CONSIDERED AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IT'S NOT A FOR-PROFIT OPERATION.
IT DOES CREATE A BURDEN FOR THE RETAILERS, BUT A LOT OF RETAILERS BUY, ACTUALLY GO DOWN THERE AND BUY THE MULCH.
I WON'T MENTION NAMES, BUT THE RETAILERS DO PICK UP THEIR MULCH FROM VSA AND THEN SELL.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO PRODUCE RETAIL MULCH.
BUT BIPSA MAKES MUL PEOPLE COME IN AND PICK UP THE MUL.
THEY BUY THE MOS FROM THEN THEY RESELL IT AND THEY RESELL IT.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT PRODUCERS, BUT OKAY.
ALL ANYWAY, 800 TONS IS NOT A LOT OF MATERIAL.
IT'S NOT ONLY, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S WET, IT'S LEAVES.
BUT IF IT'S WET, IF IT'S WET, IT'S WHEN THEY'RE WET, YOU TRY TO PICK UP A BAG OF THESE WET, THAT'S YOURS, A MONTH OUT OF RECYCLING 400 TONS A MONTH, RECYCLING MATERIAL.
THAT'S THE NUMBER WHEN WE DO RECYCLING, UH, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RECYCLING MONTH.
UH, IT IS, I CAN, I HAVE FINGERS TONIGHT FOR, FOR YEAR.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HEARD THAT TOO.
IT'S ALMOST THREE, IT'S ALMOST 3000 TONS A YEAR, RIGHT? THIS LAST, UH, FY 23, IT WAS 3,186.
SO, UM, IN 2019, UM, THERE WAS A RATE INCREASE IN SOME CHANGES.
AND THE, THE MOST NOTEWORTHY ONE OF THOSE WAS, UH, GREEN SWORD.
AND SOME PEOPLE WILL ASK, WELL, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE GREEN SWORD POLICY? IT WAS A, UM, RULING INTRODUCED BY CHINA TO REDUCE THE VOLUME AND THE CONTAMINATION LEVELS OF RECYCLABLE MATERIALS THAT IT IMPORTS FOR REPROCESSING.
UM, THE PROCESSING FEES, UM, BECAME A BIT OF A REALITY FOR THE CONTRACTS FOR THE RECYCLING INDUSTRY IN 2018 AND 2019.
10 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T PAY ANY TYPE OF PROCESSING FEES.
WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING $95 A TON TO PROCESS IT AND HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD WE'RE GOING TO GO TO $105 A TON.
SO BASICALLY THE RECYCLING, UH, MOVES TO TIDEWATER FIBER AND THEIR MURPH, I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE SEEN THAT, WHICH IS THEIR, UH, MATERIAL RECOVERY FACILITIES AND, UH, THE MURS THEN SORT THE RECYCLING AND THEY CAN NO LONGER KEEP UP WITH THE CONTAMINATION REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE MARKET.
SO AT THE RECYCLING CENTER, YOU'LL END UP WITH SOME RECYCLING, AND THEN YOU'LL END UP WITH SOME TRASH THAT YOU HAVE TO RETHREAD AWAY.
AND THEN THE RECYCLING YOU'RE LEFT WITH WHEN IT GOES FORWARD.
DID IT, DID IT OR DID IT NOT MEET THE CONTAMINATION STANDARD? UM, MUSIC BOXES, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVER WILL MEET THE NEW STANDARDS OR I WISH I HAD A CRYSTAL BALL AND COULD TELL YOU.
UM, SO BASICALLY DURING THIS TIMEFRAME FOR RECYCLING CONTRACTS ON THE BACK END, THEY PUT PROCESSING FEES.
AND LIKE I SAID, 10 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
UM, BASICALLY IT'S THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT FOR TAKING CONTAMINATED RECYCLING AND IT'S PASSING THE CHARGES ON AS A PROCESSING FEE.
UM, IN 2019, WE ALSO, UM, OFFERED A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR SENIORS, UM, UH, WHICH DID IMPACT, UM, SOME OF THE REVENUE.
I THINK WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY, I THINK THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 2000 SENIORS ON THE 2300, 2300 ON, ON THE
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DISCOUNTED RATE.2,363 SENIOR DISCOUNTS AS OF FEBRUARY, 2024.
AND, UH, THAT KIND OF TRANSLATES, UH, ROUGHLY FOR US TO ABOUT $125,000 A YEAR IN REVENUES THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T COLLECT, UM, 'CAUSE OF THOSE DISCOUNTED RATES, WHICH WAS SOMETHING WE DID NEW IN, UH, IN 2019.
SO, ROB, IF I, I THINK THE SUPERVISORS PROBABLY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT YOU JUST BRIEFED BEFORE THAT, AND THEN ADDING THIS.
SO THIS IS 120 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS LOSS OF REVENUE.
THAT'S NEEDED THAT WE'VE GOTTA MAKE UP SOMEHOW FOR THE PROCESSING OF RECYCLING MATERIAL.
UM, BUT STEP BACK JUST A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THE PUBLIC OUT HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IF WE WERE TO TAKE OUR GARBAGE, JUST THROW IT IN THE GARBAGE.
UH, THE PRESENT, I THINK IT'S 47.
AND I THINK WE JUST, THE MARKET ADJUSTMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S, YOU COULD THROW IT IN THE TRASH FOR HALF THE COST THAT IT WOULD BE TO RECYCLE IT.
SO IT'S ABOUT, SO, SO LET'S JUST SAY 60, $60 A TON OF REGULAR TRASH VERSUS US SENDING OUR MIXED STUFF TO THE RECYCLING PLANT, WHICH WE PAY NOW A MILLION, WHAT IS 1,000,003? SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR RECYCLING PROCESSING FEES ALTOGETHER FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S GONNA BE COMING UP HERE ON THE SLIDE.
THE POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE MUNICIPALITIES SAYING THEY DON'T WANNA RECYCLE ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF, UH, THE COST OF PROCESSING.
BECAUSE A LOT OF IT ENDS UP, A LOT OF THE PROCESS ENDS UP IN THE GARBAGE ANYWAY.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY KIND OF, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA, BUT MY QUESTION ON THAT IS WE'RE GOING HAVE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH ALL THAT GARBAGE THAT GOING IN INTO BUILDING MOUNTAINS AND TRASH MOWS? WHERE, WHERE IS IT ALL GOING TO GO IF WE DON'T RECYCLE? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST EVEN MORE, THAT'S, THAT'S A KIND OF A ROMANTIC WAY OF LOOKING AT IT AND BE ROMANTIC, BUT IT'S REAL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE STILL GETTING IT, IS HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO PAY TO PUT IT IN THAT HILL ANYWAY? WELL, SEE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE POINT.
WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE TAX DOLLARS THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DRIVING UP THE COST OF TRASH.
IF THE RECYCLING PROCESS IS NOT PURE ENOUGH, THEN WE'RE JUST DRIVING UP THE COST TO THE CITIZENS.
AND THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF IT SO THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO WHETHER THEY WANNA CONTINUE TO RECYCLE OR NOT.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR 15 YEARS NOW.
AND SO, I MEAN, BUT I'M SEEING CITIES LIKE, WHAT IS IT? UH, WHAT'S TWO OF THEM HERE? I THINK I WHITE AND WE GET HANDED WITH, WITH THEY'RE MOUTH FRESH WATER.
BUT THEY'RE STARTING TO, THEY'RE STOP, THEY'RE STOPPING RECYCLING BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT HERE.
WELL, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, DO WE CONTINUE TO RECYCLE EVERYTHING THAT CURRENTLY GOES INTO A RECYCLED BIN? WE KNOW THAT PLASTICS AREN'T GETTING RECOVERED.
BUT GLASSES, GLASSES, GLASS IS DO NOTHING.
SO THE ONLY ONE PAPER AND CARDBOARD GLASSES GROUND UP AND GOES TO DUMP.
I KNOW THAT IT'S GROUND UP AND YOU CAN GRIND IT UP AND USE IT ON ROADWAYS.
BUT MOST OF IT GOES IN THE DUMPED COVER, THE TRASH.
IMPERVIOUS LAYER AT THE END OF EACH DAY.
SO MAYBE PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS NOT SO MUCH DO WE ELIMINATE RECYCLING, BUT WE JUST LIMIT IT TO CERTAIN PAPER.
PAPER AND CARDBOARD AND METAL.
WELL, ALUMINUM, ALUMINUM, ALUMINUM.
THE TWO THINGS PICK UP ALUMINUM STILL, CANS STILL HAVE A, THEY GET MAGNETS TO SORT THAT OUT.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S SERIOUS.
BUT THERE'S A WAY OF HELPING IT AND THEN THERE'S A STUPID WAY OF HELPING IT.
AND I DON'T WANNA BE ON THE STUPID END OF THIS WHERE WE'RE PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO A GOOD DEED AND IT'S ACTUALLY COSTING US MORE THAN IT NEEDS TO COST US.
AND IT'S, AND IT IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE WHAT THEY THINK IS BEING RECYCLED ACTUALLY ISN'T.
I, I, I, A FEW MONTHS AGO I SENT A NEWSLETTER I HAD ON THAT KIND OF COVERING, I DUNNO IF YOU SENT ME INFORMATION ON WHAT IS RECYCLABLE, WHAT ISN'T? AND I HAD, I GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM FOLKS GOING, THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT THE STUFF THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE BIN WASN'T ACTUALLY RECYCLABLE.
SO THEY, THEY CHANGED, SOME OF THEM CHANGED THEIR HABITS BASED ON THAT.
WHICH IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM EDUCATION IS EDUCATION AND GETTING PEOPLE TO PUT THE RIGHT THINGS INSIDE THE RECYCLE BIN.
IF WE COULD GET RID OF THE CONTAMINATION, A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS WOULD GO AWAY.
AND WE'RE GETTING THE POINT NOW WHERE WHAT IS ALLOWABLE IS A WHOLE LOT SHORTER LIST THAN WHAT ISN'T.
SO YOU JUST MAY ABLE TO SAY THE FOLLOWING FOUR THINGS CAN BE RECYCLED.
AND IF IT'S NOT PART OF THOSE, DON'T THROW IN YOUR RECYCLING BUSINESS.
BUT YOU USED TO HAVE A LIST THAT YOU GET OUT TO
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PEOPLE.WELL THEN YOU NEED TO PERHAPS NARROW DOWN WHAT THEY CAN RECYCLE THAT AND STRESS THE FACT THAT CONTAMINATION COSTS US MONEY.
UM, WHEN YOU GO TO THE RECYCLE PLACE, WHICH WE WENT TO MM-HMM.
IF YORK COUNTY DID IT PERFECTLY AND ALL OTHER JURISDICTIONS DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GIVE US A DISCOUNT.
'CAUSE ALL THOSE TRUCKS GO IN THE SAME BIG HEAPING PILE THEY TAKE, THEY'RE BULLDOZERS OR THE FRONT END LOADERS, THEY DUMP 'EM IN AND THEY GET SEPARATED.
SO THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T HELP US TO EDUCATE PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT HELPS IN THE LONG RUN, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A DISCOUNT.
BUT WHERE THE EDUCATION WOULD HELP, THE AMOUNT OF STUFF WE SEND TO THE RECYCLING DROPS WOULD DROP DOWN.
SO WE WOULD END UP SPENDING LESS MONEY.
'CAUSE WE'RE SENDING LESS STUFF THERE RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE ARE PUTTING TOO MUCH IN THERE THAT ISN'T THEIR EXTRA RECYCLING.
WE'RE PAYING THE COST OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT COULD BE MINUSCULE, BUT WE, WE COULD GET SOME, GET SOME RELIEF FROM THAT.
AND, AND WE, WE COULD ALSO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA RECYCLE, YOU DON'T GET CHARGED FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE TO RE THAT OPTION NOW.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING TOO IS THE EDUCATION PARTS.
I, I SIT THERE AND THINK OF, UH, OF THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A NECK ON THE BOTTLE OR NECK ON THE PLASTIC BOTTLE OR NOBODY'S LOOKING AT THAT.
AND I GOT MY FAMILY, I'VE SIT THERE AND TELL 'EM EVERYBODY THIS, AND I'M GOING THERE AND MY, I, YOU KNOW, BUY MY OWN TRANSFER STATION, IF YOU WILL, IN MY HOUSE,
BUT, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T CRUSH CANS, FOR EXAMPLE, ALUMINUM CANS DON'T CRUSH CANS.
WELL, BECAUSE THAT REAL TIME CAMERA THINKS IT'S PAPER, MACHINE, MACHINE.
AND SO THEN IT GETS GET TRASHED.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO MAYBE DO THIS, IS YOU INFLUENCE THE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN INFLUENCE THE COMPANY TO, TO RECYCLE SMARTLY, UH, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
NOT EVERY, NOT EVERYBODY KIND OF YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO IT.
BUT VSA, UH, WE WORK OURS THROUGH VSA.
AND THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN NUMBER OF CITIES AND COUNTIES TIED TO VSA.
SO VSA WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE A CAMPAIGN WHERE HEY, WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO CARDBOARD.
AND IT'S STEEL AND ALUMINUM CANS.
FORGET THE GLASS, FORGET THE PLASTICS.
YOU KNOW, I HATE FORGETTING THE PLASTICS THOUGH, BUT I MEAN, STILL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO GET, GET THE PROCESS WORKING.
PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA LOOK ON THE PLASTIC BOTTLE AND GO, OH, THIS DOESN'T GO IN.
OR THIS ONE DOES ONE OR NUMBER FOUR, WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE NUMBER ONE IS IT ONE OR FOUR? YOU NEED ONE.
YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO ELIMINATE PLASTIC PROPERLY.
AND IF WE, AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE CRUSHING CANS, WE MAY NEED TO ELIMINATE THAT AS WELL.
OUR, UM, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, I THINK, AREN'T YOU PART OF THE, UH, VS THAT, UH, REGIONAL AUTHORITY? DON'T YOU SIT ON THE MR. KRIEGER DOES.
SO GO DOWN THERE AND TELL HIM WE'RE THINKING THIS
I I'LL DEFINITELY LET THEM KNOW.
WHEN THOSE BIG PLAYERS GO OUT OF BUSINESS, I WAS JUST GOING OUT.
WE LOSE LOSE THE, UH, EFFICIENCY OF HOW MUCH WE'RE PUTTING IN.
AND SO THOSE COSTS ARE GONNA GO UP IF WE SEE BIG LOCALITIES LIKE VIRGINIA BEACH AND NORFOLK COME OUT OF RECYCLING BECAUSE THE, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE TO MAKE THAT ALL WORK.
IT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
COULD, WE COULD GET PRICE RIGHT OUT OF THE GAME.
NOW DO THOSE BIG LOCALITIES ALL GO TO THE SAME RECYCLING PLACE? I LIKE TO TELL.
SO IF I'M THAT I'M, IF I'M THAT OPERATOR, I'M, I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT MY EXISTENCE FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT, BUT IF I'M THINKING THAT AND NOT GONNA, I'M THINKING, WELL, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO RETAIN THAT? AND MAYBE I NEED TO MAKE CHANGES ON MY END TO KEEP THE BUSINESS.
BUT THEY, THEY HAVE RIGHT? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, IF I MAY PLEASE DO SO THEY HAVE RECENTLY DIVESTED OF THEIR COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
THEY'RE NO LONGER PUTTING DUMPSTERS AND, AND DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS.
UM, WITH THE INTENT TO FOCUS ON THE MUNICIPAL CONTRACTS, HOPING TO WAIT, WAIT, WHAT? WAIT A MINUTE.
WHO'S DOING THIS? TFC RECYCLING.
YEAH, BUT THEY KEEP, THEY HAVE A WHOLE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE DIVISION, THE WHOLE SIDE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY, THE TWO SIDES OF THEIR COMPANY.
SO THEY SOLD THAT SO THAT THEY CAN PUT ALL OF THEIR ENERGY ONTO THE MUNICIPAL RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION SIDE.
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THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OVER THERE.THEY'RE NOT, THEY SOLD THAT, NOT THAT COMPANY.
ANOTHER COMPANY BOUGHT THAT SIDE OF THEM OUT.
AND SO THAT COMPANY IS, IS PICKED UP THEIR
SO THE FUTURE IS, UH, UNKNOWN.
IT, IT COULD GO THE WAY OF PRICING US OUT OF RECYCLING, BUT IT COULD ALSO GO TO OUR BENEFIT WHERE THEY NOW HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, UM, DO BETTER.
AND, AND, AND IT MAY, YOU KNOW, PRESSURES LIKE THIS ALSO DRIVE INNOVATION.
WHEN YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH A SCANNER, LOOK AT A CROSS COUNTY CALLS A PAPER.
WELL THEN TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO STEP UP AND, AND MAKE, MAKE, MAKE THAT BETTER.
SO YOU WE MAY SEE INNOVATION OF THAT, THAT THAT WILL HELP.
THEY THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WHEN WE WENT OVER THERE, THEY WERE DEFINITELY LOOKING.
HE SAID THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN YEAH.
BUT PLASTIC BAGS IS, IT'S TERRIBLE.
THE TERRIBLE NUMBER ONE KILLER OF THEIR PROCESS.
BUT WE USE BREASTED BAGS TO MAKE INCHES.
BUT NOW THAT'S GONE UP TO A THOUSAND POUNDS AND IT USED TO BE 900.
WHO DOES THAT GO THROUGH? WE SEND, WE WASTE MANAGEMENT DIVISION COLLECTS THE PLASTIC BAGS.
WE SEND THEM TO TRUCKS AND THEY SEND US BACK BENCHES.
HOW MANY WE HAVE NOW? WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY'VE BEEN IN SCHOOLS.
UM, AND BOTH LIBRARIES HAVE BENCHES.
AND THERE'S ONE AT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT CENTER.
SO OUR, THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM IS TO HAVE A BENCH AT EVERY SCHOOL AND ALL OF OUR PUBLIC LOCATIONS.
SO THINK HOW MUCH, HOW MANY TONS OF PLASTIC WE HAD DONATED FOR THAT.
THE THRESHOLD WAS, HAS TYPICALLY IT DID MOVE FROM 500 POUNDS IN A SIX MONTH PERIOD.
UM, NOW THEY SAY THEY WON A THOUSAND POUNDS OVER A YEAR.
UM, BUT WE HAVE SINCE THE BEGINNING COLLECT THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OVER WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? WE SHARE THE WEALTH.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HELP THE, UM, MASTER GARDENERS COLLECT BENCHES NOW? NO.
YOU SAY WE'RE COLLECTING BAGS, BUT WE SEND THEM ALL TO REX.
THEY JUST ONLY GIVE US CREDIT FOR THE THOUSAND POUNDS.
YOU THINK THEY OUTTA THEY MAKE BENCHES OUTTA THEY MAKE BENCHES OUTTA DECK DECKING, LUMBER OUTTA THEM.
YEAH, DECKING YOUR DECKING, YOUR DECKING.
THEY MAKE ONE BENCH IN A THOUSAND DECKS WITH WHAT WE SEND THEM.
WE, WE GET THE BAGS WET, WETTING WAY MORE IN THAT WAY.
SOME OF THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS IS, UH, ANNUAL INCREASES TIED TO THE CPI, UH, INCREASED OPERATIONAL COSTS ON, ON ALL THE PROGRAMS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THE INCREASE IN THE RECYCLING RATES AND THE PROCESSING FOR FEES, THE DISCOUNTED RATES.
AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT AND INFLATION AND, AND CHALLENGES FROM, FROM COVID.
I WILL LET IT KIND OF SIT HERE FOR A MINUTE.
AND, UM, THESE ARE OUR SOLID WASTE EXPENSES.
UM, YOU SEE THE CURBSIDE WOW REFUSE COLLECTION FIVE YEARS.
UM, WE'VE JUST SEEN A, A LARGE INCREASE IN IN PEOPLE BRINGING COMPOSTING TO THE FACILITY.
UM, YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN A, A DECREASE IN, IN OTHER LOCALITIES.
AND THEN, UH, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UH, OTHER THINGS KIND OF LAYING IN, COMPOSTING WITH EVERYBODY AT HOME FOR COVID WORKING IN THEIR YARDS.
AND IT SEEMED, UH, I HOPE MR. MORGAN'S NOT WATCHING TOO CLOSELY, BUT
AND SOMETIMES WE'VE OVERWHELMED THEM SO BAD.
WE'VE HAD TO DO A, A LIMB DROP OFF SITE AT NEW QUARTER AND THEN HAUL IT DOWN AND WE'VE HAD TO ACTUALLY STORE SOME LIMBS UNDER AND, AND RAMP UP WITH OUR OWN INTERNAL STAFF TO COLLECT THEM.
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CORRECTLY.BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE POUNDS VERSUS DOLLARS VERSUS WHATEVER.
SO COMPOSTING, WHAT IS THAT DOLLARS OR JUST TONNAGE OR, THOSE ARE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT IT'S GONE UP OVER THE YEARS.
SO FOR 800 TONS OF LEAVES, WE'RE PAYING A THOUSAND DOLLARS A TON.
THIS WON'T BE 800 TONS OF LEAVES.
THIS WOULD BE EVERY LIMB BRANCH, UH, USE OF THE TUB GRINDER.
UH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S COSTING US.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THE COMPOST? THAT'S WHAT IT'S COSTING US CURB TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BIPSA PROGRAMS. I IT'S COSTING US TO PARTICIPATE.
SO YORK, IF YOU'RE A YORK RESIDENT, YOU CAN BRING MATERIAL THAT YOU'VE CLEANED UP OUT OF YOUR YARD AND TAKE IT TO THE COMPOSTING FACILITY FOR FREE.
UM, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT EXPENSE IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE INCREASE OF PEOPLE GOING TO BUSINESS TO DROP THEIR YARD DEBRIS OFF? NOT ENTIRELY.
SO, SO WHAT'S DRIVING THE EXPENSES? FUEL'S GONE UP.
THEY'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLAR TUB GRINDER.
I I THINK THE LAST TIME THEY BOUGHT A TUB GRINDER IT WAS, UH, ABOUT $250,000.
IT'S KINDA LIKE A FIRE TRUCK WAS 500 AND NOW IT'S 1.2.
SO, AND I I WILL, YOU KNOW, THE BIG ONE ON THERE WAS THE HIGHLIGHTED ONE, WHICH WAS THE RECYCLING CONTRACT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROCESSING FEES KIND OF TOOK OFF.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COMPOST IS AT 206%.
COMPOST MOVED UP PRETTY QUICK.
SO WHEN PEOPLE COME AND BUY THE MULCH AND STUFF OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE RECYCLING, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? IT GOES BACK TO VSA TO SELF SUSTAIN THEIR, THEIR OPERATIONS.
SO IT'S COSTING US $6 MILLION.
IT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SELF SUSTAIN.
AND SOME OF THE, UM, THE THINGS WE TALK ABOUT, UH, FOR JUST THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM IS ON THE BOARD THERE IS WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT OFFSETTING THE COST AND UPPING YOUR RATES TO CHARGE FOR MULCH AND COMPOSTING THAT YOU PICK UP AT THE FACILITY.
SO WHAT, SO DO WE, SO GO BACK TO YOUR POINT.
SO WE'RE NOT COMPARING THIS COMMERCIALLY.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE SELLING IT, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE TO BUY THE MULCH.
AND I MEAN, SO IS THIS LIKE A GOOD THING TO BE DOING? I MEAN, IT'S COSTING, YOU'RE SPREADING THE COST ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY.
SO THEY ALSO HAVE A, A COMMERCIAL, UH, A GROUP AT VSA YOU WILL SEE, UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WHERE SOME OF OUR LOCAL MULCH DISTRIBUTORS, YOU'LL SEE THE TRUCK OFF AND ON THE, THE VSA SITE OCCASIONALLY.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES UP THE ROAD A FEW MILES.
AND THEN IT'S RESOLD THAT AT RETAIL, HIGH RETAIL.
SO I MEAN, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THEN THAT WE NEED TO BE, WE, WE NEED TO ASK FIPSE TO REEVALUATE THE COST, WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING FOR THE, THE MULCH.
I MEAN WE, FOR US TO BE, I MEAN IT'S OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT, IT IS KIND OF DOESN'T MAKE, DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, IT'S GREAT FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT USE MULCH.
OKAY, YOU GOTTA HAVE A TRUCK AND GO DOWN THERE AND LOAD IT UP AND GET WHATEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I DO.
BUT I MEAN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO, IT'S CHARGING EVERYBODY ELSE FOR ME TO HAVE A FEE TO DO THAT.
I, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO USE MY TRUCK.
THE, THE PERCENTAGE INCREASES FROM UM, 2020 TO 25.
SO THE PROJECTED COST ON 24, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING INTO THAT.
WILL IT REALISTICALLY BE THAT HIGH? YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS KIND OF A, A, A, UH, PROJECTED, YOU KNOW, GUESS OF WHERE YOU THINK THINGS ARE GOING INTO THE FUTURE WITH, WITHOUT A CRYSTAL BALL.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS CONTRACTOR EXPENSES.
OKAY, WELL, SO A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, 206% JUMPS OUT AND IF I HAVE ANY EXPENSE, PERSONAL BUSINESS, WHATEVER THAT JUMPS OUT, 2 6 2 6%, 206%.
I'M GONNA ASK SOMEBODY WHAT IS DRIVING THAT COST? WE GOTTA BRING THAT BACK.
THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH IN THE SHORT TERM.
BUT ON THE OTHER END TOO, IN SHORT TERM BEING, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE PAST, WHAT, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? FIVE YEARS.
UM, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, WHILE THAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE IS HUGE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT DOESN'T COMPARE TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU'RE SEEING.
IN OTHER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING A $500,000 SWING IN OTHER, YOU'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
SO DON'T, DON'T LOSE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNT WHEN YOU GET HUNG UP ON A PERCENTAGE NUMBERS.
WELL, 2 MILLION, TO ME, THE FIRST TWO LINES MAKE SENSE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE TRUCKS, WE NEED THE GARBAGE COLLECTING.
'CAUSE IF YOU START MESSING WITH IT, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T AFFORD THE, UH, A LOT OF COLLECTION.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ENDED UP WITH YOUR
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CHAIRS AND YOUR COUCHES AND YOUR, UH, YOUR, YOUR, UH, BENCHES, YOUR WIS AND ALL THAT STUFF LAYING OUT IN THE, THE WOODS SOMEWHERE.SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE COUNTY CLEAN.
SO I MEAN, THOSE TWO PARTS I CAN, I CAN TRULY UNDERSTAND.
AND THEY DON'T MAKE SELL, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF MILLION.
THE COMPOSTING AND THE, UH, RECYCLING, ESPECIALLY THE RECYCLING TO ME IS, IS KIND OF GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE GOTTA REALLY DO SOMETHING ALL RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT'S JUST MAKING PEOPLE FEEL GOOD AND NOT, NOT, IT'S JUST SOME OF THIS STUFF JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE 6 MILLION, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIST.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE NUMBERS HERE, BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN HERE, YOU'VE GOT THE TOTAL CONTRACTUAL EXPENSES AND THAT'S THE INCREASE IS 44%.
CORRECT? THAT'S OVER, THAT'S 2019 FY 19 TO PROJECTED THROUGH OVER AND TWO, THAT'S OVER TWO PROJECTIONS.
THE TIMEFRAME, TWO PROJECTIONS.
AND WHAT AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR? I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASES AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASES RIGHT THERE.
AND KEEP IN MIND THAT BOTH THE CURBSIDE GARBAGE COLLECTION CONTRACT, THE TRANSFER STATION COLLECTION AND HAULING CONTRACT AND THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION CONTRACT FOR RECYCLING ALL HAVE, UM, INCREASE ANNUAL INCREASES BASED ON THE CPI INDEX, WHICH, UH, ARE CAPPED AT 4.5%.
BUT, AND THEY USUALLY GO UP ABOUT THAT AMOUNT EACH YEAR, 4.5% EACH YEAR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
I THINK THERE'S TWO REAL TAKEAWAYS ON THE COMPOSTING.
ARE WE THE ONLY ONES THAT OFFER FREE DROP OFF? NO.
SO THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT DO THE SAME.
MOST OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES DO THE SAME.
SO ARE WE SEEING, UH, A SURPLUS OF PEOPLE COMING FROM THE OTHER CITIES TO DROP OFF THEIR MATERIAL LETTERS OR, OR WE'RE SATISFIED THAT IT'S YORK COUNTY RESIDENCE? UM, I'M SATISFIED THAT IT'S YORK COUNTY RESIDENCE BECAUSE THEY KEEP TRACK OF THE LOCALITY, THE ORIGIN.
AND THEY BILL EACH LOCALITY ACCORDING TO THE PIECE OF THE PIE.
THAT, SO I'M WHERE STEVE IS, THAT THAT ONE IS JUST TOO, TOO BIG AN INCREASE FOR US NOT TO DIVE INTO IT DEEPER SURE.
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE ON THE COST.
NOW I KNOW WE HAVE LIKE THE CHEMICAL DAY OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL DROP OFFS AND STUFF.
NOW WE, WE SHARE, UH, OTHER SITES.
SO WHEN WE, ANYBODY CAN COME TO OUR BSA DURING THAT, THAT OPEN WINDOW FOR TVS AND PAINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN WE CAN GO TO THOSE SITES FOR FREE TOO.
IS THAT ANY, ANYTHING OTHER ASPECT OF THAT? UH, THE COMPOSTING, I KNOW I'M NOT THE TRANSFER, OR EXCUSE ME, CURBSIDE COLLECTION.
IT'S SHREDDING AND CHEMICALS AND COUNCIL.
THE ONLY, THE VSA PORTION OF WE DO THE SHREDDING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YORK COUNTY INITIATES AND, AND DOES.
UM, VIVS A DOES THE HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL EVENTS AND THE COMPUTER RECYCLING EVENTS.
AND AGAIN, THEY KEEP TRACK OF THE ORIGIN OF WHOEVER BRINGS IT IN.
SO FOR EACH EVENT THEY'LL BILL THE, THE LOCALITY ACCORDINGLY.
I REALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT MEANS FREE.
WE GOT ONE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND, DON'T WE? YES SIR.
WELL, EVERYBODY WANTS TO DROP OFF THEIR PAINT AND STUFF THIS, THIS SATURDAY AT, UH, WELL NOT AT TRANSFER STATION, BUT AT THE PUBLIC WORKS.
SO, SO I, I KIND OF FELT LIKE THIS SLIDE WAS A KIND OF A GOOD SLIDE TO BRING US UP TO DATE TO KIND OF SHOW THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE REVENUES AND, UH, THE EXPENDITURES.
UM, AND THE RESULT OF ALL THE FINANCIAL CHALLENGES AND THE GREEN SORT, UH, POLICY.
SO BASICALLY LAST YEAR WE STARTED OPERATING IN THE RED.
THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
WAS THAT 'CAUSE WE JUST AVOIDED IT? DIDN'T WANNA RAISE IT OR WHAT THE FEES IN 2019, THE BOARD APPROVED THE FEES IN 2019, THEY AGREED NOT TO, TO TOUCH THE FEES FOR FIVE YEARS.
ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPENED IN THOSE FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, I I USED TO REMEMBER, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE WERE UPDATING IT.
NOW THIS, 'CAUSE THE LONGER YOU DELAY IT, THE MORE THE, THE BIGGER THE JUMP.
YOU HAVE TO CHARGE MORE UP FRONT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COVERING THE UNKNOWN, COVERING THE WRIST.
AND SO ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND IS, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION FROM THE BOARD TONIGHT, BUT WHAT
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THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE IS A ONE YEAR ADJUSTMENT WHEN YOU SEE THE FEE RATES FOR THIS VERY REASON, BECAUSE THE RISK HAS BEEN SO HIGH AND THIS INDUSTRY HAS BEEN SO VOLATILE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.AND WE'D LIKE TO DO ONE YEAR AND THEN REEVALUATE WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IN ONE YEAR INCREASE? REEVALUATE HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING READY TO SHOW YOU.
DON'T, DON'T WE GOTTA BUILD UP THE DRAMA HERE.
WHERE ARE WE? SO, SEND YOU SUBORDINATES.
IS THIS IT? SO BEFORE WE GET TO THE DRAMA PART, WE'LL, WE'LL SHARE A LITTLE HISTORY WITH YOU OVER THE YEARS.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A HISTORY OF, OF THIS IS THE BLENDED RATE OF, UH, TRASH AND RECYCLING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME YEARS WE ACTUALLY CAME BACK TO THE, UH, BOARD FOR WHAT WE FELT WAS WE WERE MAYBE MAKING A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH MONEY AND, AND REDUCED FEES.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OUR, OUR LAST YEAR THERE AT 2019 MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S RECYCLED, RIGHT? WE DOUBLE CAN YOU BACK THAT SLIDE UP? DO WE HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE? WE THOUGHT WE DID.
SO WE, WHAT IS THIS? SO LIKE CAN'T UNTIL WORSE THAN YEARS.
WE GONNA SLIDE WITH THE YEARS ON IT.
SO WE GO BACK FOUR AND A HALF.
LET'S LEAVE IT RIGHT THERE FOR A SECOND.
SO SIX YEARS THERE, WE THEN DOUBLE THE PRICE.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T DO MATH IN PUBLIC.
WELL, IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, WE'VE RAISED THE PRICE.
IT IS PROBABLY NOT, NOT MATCHING INFLATION.
SO YOU RAISE THE PRICE ON THIS STUFF.
YOU THINK HE STOLE SOMEBODY'S BABY? I SWEAR I WELL, IF PEOPLE COME OUT THE WOODWORK ON THIS
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT LAST.
WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE CORRECTED ONE.
OH, THE NUMBERS ON AS BAD ON ON THE NEW ONE.
YOU JUST SAW IT, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SO SELF SUFFICIENT RATES ONE YEAR.
I MEAN YOU ONLY GO UP SO MUCH RECYCLING.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT ONLY I CAN PROBABLY, WE GONNA STILL RIGHT.
POTENTIALLY TWO TWO TO CARRY IT.
TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN BECAUSE ALL THIS STUFF, NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA SAVE A BIG CONSUMER.
IT MIGHT SAVE THAT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP PROBABLY THAT $9 AND 50 CENTS.
WHAT IS, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE PLUS $9 AND 50 CENTS TIMES 12.
YOU YOU WANT US TO TAKE A RECESS WHILE WE PLEASE? YES SIR.
I THINK IT'D PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE.
ALRIGHT, SO WHERE'S YOUR CALCULATOR? WHAT'S THAT CALCULATOR? DO ME A FAVOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS WHILE WE GET THIS SQUARED AWAY.
SO EVERYBODY GET STRETCH YOUR LEGS.
BACK TO RECESS WITH ALL THE RIGHT DATA.
I I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES THERE.
UH, SO HERE ARE OUR PROPOSED MONTHLY RATES, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE THE, THE INCREASE IN THE RECYCLING ONLY, UH, FROM SEVEN 50 TO 13, WE HAVE AN OPTION FOR TRASH ONLY, UH, GOING FROM 2150 TO $24.
AND THEN IN THE, UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE
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BOARD STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, WE KIND OF DO A, UH, A, UH, A DEAL THERE FOR ANYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO TRASH AND RECYCLING TOGETHER, WE CAN GET IT DOWN TO, TO $34 TO ENCOURAGE THE RECYCLING, UH, CONTINUING TO OFFER THE, UH, LOW INCOME.UM, AN OPTION FOR LONG LANE PICKUP, BACKYARD SERVICE AND CONTINUING ON WITH, UH, A SLIGHT INCREASE TO THE, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN RATE.
THE SENIOR CITIZEN RATE IS JUST FOR TRASH.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, OR DOES THAT INCLUDE RECYCLING? THAT WOULD INCLUDE RECYCLING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, UM, SOME THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SOME KIND OF TO KEEP US IN.
WELL, I WAS GONNA GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE JUST TO NEWPORT NEWS.
UM, THE TRASH SERVICE IS, UH, AND RECYCLING IS THE, THE MANDATORY SERVICE.
AND THEIR BLENDED RATE CURRENTLY STANDS AT $31 AND 63 CENTS.
UM, THE CITY OF HAMPTON IS AT, THEIR BLENDED RATE IS FOR $31 AND 42 CENTS FOR TRASH AND RECYCLING.
AND IF
UH, SUFFOLK IS SITTING AT THEIR BLENDED FOR TRASH AND RECYCLING IS, UH, $25 AND 25 CENTS.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO MANDATORY.
SO A LITTLE WAY THAT WE ARE DIFFERENT IS, UM, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MEANT TO TRASH.
YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO NO TRASH AND RECYCLE ONLY AND CARRY YOUR TRASH TO THE TRANSFER STATION.
YOU COULD CHOOSE JUST TO DO TRASH AND I WILL CARRY MY RECYCLING TO VS A.
OR MAYBE I'LL NOT ENCOURAGING ANYONE WHERE THEY WOULD PUT IT, BUT WHO KNOWS WHERE IT WOULD GO.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF PE UH, OF THE CITIZENS HOUSEHOLDS? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT TAKE THE SERVICE VERSUS, SO, UH, IT MIGHT TAKE LORI A SECOND TO LOOK IT UP.
UH, I WILL TELL YOU, IN 2019 WHEN WE DID OUR LAST INCREASE, WE ADDED SUBSCRIBERS.
AND I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT OUR BREAKOUT IS.
DO YOU HAVE A, A CLOSE NEIGHBOR? I, UM, BUT THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE RIVERWALK TOWNS WHERE THE TRASH IS PART OF MY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DUES.
I PAY THAT TO THE WHO, BUT I DO PAY COUNTY RECYCLING.
AND I, MARK'S NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE LIKE THAT TOO.
THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE LIKE THAT AS WELL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 18 THAT APP.
THESE ARE APPROXIMATE NUMBERS.
UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR SERVICE, THEY STOP SERVICE EVERY DAY CHANGES.
SO THESE NUMBERS ARE FLUID, BUT APPROXIMATELY 18,288 CUSTOMERS.
UM, OF THE, THEN WE ALSO HAVE, HERE'S A BETTER BREAKDOWN.
WE HAVE 16,865 WHO HAVE BASIC SERVICE, WHICH IS GARBAGE AND RECYCLING.
WE HAVE ABOUT 772 HOMES THAT ARE GARBAGE ONLY.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT 651 WHO ARE RECYCLING ONLY FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT 18,288 ACCOUNTS.
AND THEN WITH THOSE ACCOUNTS, THERE ARE DISCOUNTS.
BESIDES THE SENIOR DISCOUNT, WE OFFER A LOW INCOME DISCOUNT.
WE OFFER, UM, WHAT WE CALL BACKDOOR SERVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HANDICAPPED AND CAN'T GET THEIR TO, TO THE CURB.
UM, SO WE PAY OUT ABOUT $180,162 A YEAR FOR ALL DISCOUNTS.
AND HOW DO SENIORS OR OR LOW INCOME PEOPLE APPLY FOR THOSE PROGRAMS? WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR THE LOW INCOME FOLKS AND, UM, THE SENIORS, UH, SINCE WE STARTED THAT, UM, WITH THE LAST RATE INCREASE, IT'S BASICALLY BY THE HONOR SYSTEM.
IF SOMEONE CALLS AND SAYS WE ASK 'EM FOR THEIR BIRTH DATE, UM, AND THEN WE BELIEVE THEM.
BUT THERE'S, BUT THERE'S NO, UH, FINANCIAL, THERE'S NO FI FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS.
IT'S JUST A SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT.
WHAT IS THE AGE OF A SENIOR 70 FOR THAT, FOR THIS PURPOSE? IT'S 70 YEARS OLD.
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DARN.YOU KNOW, GENE WHIZ, WE'RE, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE INCREASE IN RECYCLING, YOU COULD, I GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S THRESHOLD IS DIFFERENT.
UM, YOU COULD ALWAYS VOTE WITH YOUR CHECKBOOK AND NOT HAVE THE SERVICE.
UM, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHARGE FOR THEIR TRASH PICKUP.
THEY USE $24 MILLION OUT OF THEIR GENERAL TAX FUND.
UM, EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ON HERE.
UM, I THINK WE'RE A PRETTY GOOD, YOU KNOW, MIXED BLEND.
NOT MANDATORY, BUT MANDATORY WOULD BE LESS OUR GENERAL FUND EACH PERSON.
BUT WHO WANTS TO BE MANDATORY, UH, OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, THERESA? WHAT'S THAT? I DIDN'T HEAR.
IF WE WERE TO COVER TRASH AND RECYCLING SOMEWHERE AROUND 4 MILLION, 5 MILLION ON, IF WE WERE TO NOT DO THE VS.
A, IF WE WERE TO PAY TRASH AND RECYCLING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
OH, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER OUR, WHATEVER BUDGET, I GUESS 6 MILLION.
IT'S PROBABLY 3, 3, 7, 6 MILLION.
THE THREE AT TAX, PROBABLY YOU GOT ONE THAT LIKE 4 MILLION.
THE LA THE ACTUALS WERE LIKE AT FOUR.
SO PROB PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE SEVEN BENEFITS.
IF WE GO TO THE 6 MILLION ESTATE, 6.1 FOR ALL OF IT HOUSES, FOUR, SEVEN, TAKE IT OFF.
AT LEAST NORFOLK, HAMPTON AND, UM, VIRGINIA BEACH ARE CURRENTLY IN THE RECYCLING SURVEY.
YOU KNOW, UM, WORLD OF, OF TAKING A HARD LOOK AT IT.
SO THE, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, SHOWED FROM STARTING IN 2023, WHERE I THINK WITH THE PROJECTED COST, THE $1.5 MILLION IN THE RED.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS 3.5.
SO FIRST QUESTION, DOES THAT PROPOSED RATE FEE? MM-HMM.
THAT PROPOSED RATE FEE WOULD PUT THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES IN LINE AND CATCH US UP TO WHAT IS GOING ON AT TODAY'S ONE YEAR.
FOR ONE YEAR FOR NOT ONE YEAR.
UH, WHERE WE'D HAVE TO REEVALUATE AND, AND THEN NOT PROGRAMMING FORWARD LIKE WE DID IN 2019.
GAS PRICES, MARKET CONDITIONS.
OPEC, UM, ON THE LAST SLIDE, LORI, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME THOUGHTS AND I GUESS, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION, UM, SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD TIE A, YOU COULD SETTLE THE RATES AND TIE IT TO A A CP.
BUT SOME OF THAT IS, UM, I KNOW EVERY TIME WE'VE CHANGED, UH, FEES IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WE GET AROUND 1500 TO 2000 PHONE CALLS IN PUBLIC WORKS ON A A, A NORMAL MONTH.
AND, UH, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE EVERYBODY'S BILL CHANGING, YOU KNOW, 3.5 OR TWO.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PHONE CALLS THAT WOULD GENERATE.
UM, WE COULD TRY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE A FIVE YEAR RATE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE OF RECYCLING, WHAT ARE YOUR, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF FREEZING IT AT THE RATE FOR FIVE YEARS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, YOU COULD TRY TO FORECAST WHAT THE RATES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED OR A ONE YEAR DEAL TO CATCH US UP WITH THE MARKET CONDITIONS IN THE PRESENT DAY.
I MEAN, AND, UH, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THE FIVE YEARS WE GO, YOU GO LONG LIKE THAT.
IT'S, IT GETS TO BE MORE PAINFUL AND IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE PE TO THE CITIZENS.
AND, AND THEN, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE RATES EVERY YEAR EITHER THOUGH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DID HISTORICALLY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY WE DID IT FOR THIS, IT COULD DO TWO OR THREE YEARS WITH SOME REASONABLENESS OF SAFETY.
BUT IF YOU TIED IT TO CPI AND USE THE SAME ONE THAT WE USE IN OUR CONTRACT, THEY WOULD TRACK TOGETHER.
BUT IT DOES PRESENT THE, IT'S GONNA CHANGE EVERY YEAR.
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GONNA GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS AND PEOPLE LIKE CONSISTENCY.THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA SEE VOLATILITY.
YOU COULD PROPOSE A FIVE YEAR RATE AND MAYBE IT'S THE SAME FOR TWO YEARS.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT, YOU COULD BUILD THAT.
WELL I JUST, SAME EXPERIENCE OUR EXPERIENCE WITH FOUR YEAR RATES.
I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, I, I, MAYBE I'M WRONG, OKAY.
BUT I REMEMBER OUR ASSESSMENTS, FOUR YEAR RATES IS, THAT GOES UP EVERY TWO YEARS.
YOU GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT, MY GOSH, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT, BUT, BUT IN THE END, PEOPLE SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, WHEN YOU GET A WHOPPING, YOU, YOU GET A WHOPPING INCREASE ALL OF A SUDDEN.
OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY PICKING THAT AS SOAR.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GETTING, THERE'S NOT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH IT.
I MEAN, I WAS DOING SOME QUICK CALCULATIONS AND MOST OF THE FEE INCREASES THERE WERE DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASES PERCENTAGE WISE.
WHAT IS THIS ABOUT 37%? SOME WERE 10%, SOME WERE 25% TRASH.
WHAT'S THAT? ON A YEARLY BASIS.
SO I MEAN THAT, THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL.
I MEAN, IF I GET, IF, IF I GO GET GAS AND SUDDENLY IT'S, IT'S 25% MORE THAN WHAT I PAID YESTERDAY, I'M, I'M GONNA NOTICE THAT LOTS OF CALLS, WHAT'S EXXON DOING? RIGHT? I CALL, CALL DOUG AND ASK WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOURS GOING ON, YOUR EXECUTIVE FRIENDS DOING? BUT YOU GOT, BUT YOU THINK, BUT THINK ABOUT IT THOUGH.
UM, I MEAN PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT.
THIS IS THE, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IS THAT YOU CAN TRY TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY.
YOU WRITE EVERY NOTE, LETTER, REPORT, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND THEN, THEN PEOPLE DON'T WAKE UP UNTIL THEY GET THE BILL.
WHICH COMES EVERY TWO MONTHS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A TWO MONTH BILL, ALL RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE BIGGER SHOCK.
BUT AS LONG AS YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO, WE HAVE GOOD UNDERSTANDING AND, AND, AND IN PART OF THIS, WE GO BACK TO WHY I JUST TALKING SO MUCH ABOUT THE DEBT GUN RECYCLING COSTS, COST.
BECAUSE HOW MUCH THAT THING WAS BEING DRIVEN BY THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE INEFFICIENCY, I THINK HAS TAKING PLACE.
SO I, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SOMEWHERE NEAR END UP, BELIEVE ME, IN THE END, WE GOT TO HAVE A LONG HARD DISCUSSION WHETHER WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REALLY UPSET BY THE, THIS BILL SHOWING UP.
ARE WE VISOR SHOW UP? WELL, SO I WAS GONNA ASK THE WHAT WE'RE IN THE RED NOW, NOW SOME OF THAT IS PROJECTED, SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY THAT FAR IN THE RED.
RIGHT? SO HOW ARE WE COVERING THE, THE OVERAGES NOW? SO OVER THE LAST, UM, COUPLE OF YEARS, WE ARE APPROACHING 700, $750,000 WORTH OF GENERAL FUND TAX, UH, TRANSFERS.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, RIGHT? THREE YEARS OR TWO? TWO.
IS IT TWO? OH, WE DID 7 51 YEAR AND ANOTHER YEAR.
SO IT'S A MILLION IN TWO YEARS.
I OVER, I THINK IT WAS LIKE OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
SO YOU, YOU, BUT I KNOW THE LAST ONE WAS SEVEN 50.
SO WE CAN LET THIS SLOWLY CREEP UP WHERE IT EVENTUALLY BECOMES WHERE CHESAPEAKE,
OR, OR IT BE LIKE, UH, WAS IT NORFOLK OR WHATEVER ONE WAS THAT IT'S PAYING THE WHOLE THING.
VIRGINIA BEACH OR CHE CHESAPEAKE, CHESAPEAKE WAS THE ONE PAYING THE WHOLE BILL ON THE SIDE.
I MEAN, YOU JUST LET IT MORPH INTO THAT SITUATION, BUT IT BECOMES THREE OR 4% ON A TAX RATE.
SO HERE, SO HERE'S THE HARD QUESTION.
WHAT'S DRIVING THE EXPENSES UP AND WHERE DO WE HAVE OPTIONS TO TO TO DRIVE THAT BACK DOWN? SO, AND DO WE, AND DO WE SORT THROUGH RECYCLE DIFFERENTLY AND DECIDE TO PULL SOME OF THE STUFF OUT AND COULD WE GET A BETTER PRICE WITH THAT? EVERYTHING'S ON THE TABLE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU MIGHT PUT RECYCLING MORE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT I WANTED TO LEARN FROM IS AS METAL PRICES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF IN RECENT MONTHS.
TRYING TO GO THE OTHER WAY AT THE METAL PILE.
UH, IT'S DROPPED OFF AT WASTE MANAGEMENT.
AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A NUMBER OF WHAT TYPE OF REVENUES FOR METAL, DON'T YOU? YES.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN GIVE, I MEAN WE COLLECT CANS AND ALUMINUM AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE CURBSIDE PROGRAM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL A METAL PILE AT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY.
AND THAT MONEY STAYS IN HOUSE, IT GOES BACK INTO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT FUND.
AND WE CAN MAKE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 50 OR $60,000 OFF THE METAL.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT TFC COLLECTING.
THAT'S DROPPING, THAT'S RESIDENTS DROPPING OFF, RIGHT? YES.
NO, WE TAKE THAT TO SIMS METAL, RIGHT? WE HAVE A CARDBOARD COLLECTION AREA.
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THE WAY TO GET RECYCLING RIGHT IS IF THEY BRING IT TO, UH, AIR FACILITY AND THERE'S AN ATTENDANT THERE THAT POINTS YOU TO WHERE THINGS ARE RECYCLABLE AND WHERE PLASTIC GOES AND WHERE METAL GOES AND YOU KNOW, THE WHITE PILE AND THIS IS THE HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL AREA, RIGHT? BUT YOU KNOW, LARGELY WHAT'S DRIVEN THE COST IS, UH, THE MARKET EXPENSES, UH, LABOR PAYING PEOPLE.UH, AND THEN WE DID KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE, UH, CUT COSTS AND, UM, I, I KIND OF LOOKED AT 'EM AS LIKE A, UM, MAYBE SOME, IT DIDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE MUCH FOR THE PAIN THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY CAUSE.
UH, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO SHRED EVENTS.
THERE'S NO MORE TIRE AMNESTY DRUG TAKE BACK DAYS.
AND UH, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LITTLE L BUT YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE LINE UP OUT THE DOOR FOR THESE THINGS AND ARE ARE WAITING.
AND ON TIRE AMNESTY DAYS WE'LL FILL A DUMPSTER UP AND END UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET RID, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S LIKE A, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT SHOWS UP ON HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS, PROPANE TANKS, GAS TANKS, IT'S LIKE A DON'T ASK DON'T TELL.
AND I KNOW YOU'VE HAD SOMETHING IN YOUR GARAGE AND UH, WE'LL TAKE IT.
I NEED TO CLEAN OUT MY GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, THE CHARGES ARE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
BUT SO FOR US IT WAS KINDA, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA MESS WITH A LOT OF THAT.
UM, PROBABLY NOT, BUT THAT'S ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.
AND THAT KIND OF GETS INTO THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS AND SHERIFF DEPUTY DO, DO YOU NOT WANNA HAVE IF WE CUT THE BUDGET? SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT STUFF LIKE THAT, LET'S ASK THE QUESTION, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE BURN ON ANNUAL BASIS AND ISLAND VEHICLES IN FUEL COSTS? YOU KNOW,
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH FUEL DO WE BURN IN IDLING VEHICLES? MAYBE WE NEED A POLICY CHANGE TO SAY WE DON'T ILE YOUR VEHICLE, MR. BROWN.
WE, WE HAVE AN ANTI IDLING POLICY.
WE ALSO HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO KNOW WHO'S IDLING AND WHO'S NOT.
RIGHT? SO, SO FOR, UH, HOPEFULLY THE SU THERE ARE DIRECT SUPERVISORS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT, BUT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FLEET DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE IDLING OR NOT.
RIGHT? SO WHAT, ALRIGHT, SO, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE SAVING THERE.
BUT IN, IN, IN, BUT IN, IN THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
AND THEN, THEN YOU TAKE A PERCENTAGE OFF OF THE INCREASE.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE MIGHT RECOMMEND, ROB AND LORI TELL ME IF I'M TOO FAR OFF BASE, BUT WHY DON'T WE ASK THEM TO LOOK AT THE RECYCLING PROGRAM, MAKING A CHANGE IN WHAT WE DO COLLECT AND SEE IF THAT HELPS US ANY AT ALL.
THAT COULD COME BACK AT A LATER WORK SESSION AND SHARE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
AND THE BOARD COULD DECIDE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AT THAT TIME.
BUT, AND, BUT, AND THAT'S GREAT INFORMATION TO HAVE.
BUT WHAT AGAIN, WHAT OTHER, WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS FUEL, LABOR, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, WHAT? WHATEVER THEY ARE.
OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE TOP FIVE DRIVERS AND WITHIN OUT OF THAT, THOSE TOP FIVE DRIVERS, IT, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THAT BY 5%? AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TYPE, THAT'S THE TYPE OF EVALUATION THAT WE NEED.
RIGHT? AND REMEMBER THAT THE CURBSIDE COLLECTION, WHETHER IT BE TRASH OR RECYCLING, IT'S CONTRACTED.
SO THAT'S NOT OUR, OUR FUEL BEING SAVED, IT'S THEIR FUEL BY BEING SAVED.
SO, AND WHETHER THAT RELATES BACK TO SAVINGS FOR US OR NOT, THAT'S TO BE SEEN.
WELL MAYBE WE HAVE TO, BUT WE ALSO JUST LEARNED TONIGHT THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THE COMPOST EMULSION WAS TOTALLY ENTERPRISE.
NOW WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT IT'S NOT, THAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO.
SO WHAT, WHAT OTHER FEES IN THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT.
I WOULD WOULD BUT IN TERMS OF COMPOST WAS THE OTHER, AND THAT'S WHAT I INTENDED WHEN I SAID THAT.
BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION AS WELL.
SO I GUESS, I GUESS THE QUESTION, THE, THE GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT THE POINT IS, IN THIS WHOLE, ARE WE TALKING THIS BUDGET CYCLE? I'M WONDERING ARE WE TALKING THE BUDGET CYCLE? BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GET A, LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE RECYCLING'S GOT A CONTRACT, RIGHT? AND WE'RE ON A CONTRACT HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONTRACT.
WE CHECK IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT CONTRACT.
THE TF C'S GONNA GONNA BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH NO, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
THEY MAY NOT LET US, BUT THEY ALSO MIGHT BE AN ADVANTAGE TO THEM TO
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ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN.'CAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, YOU KNOW, BAGS ARE A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR THEM.
WHAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE BAG BUSINESS, ET CETERA.
SO WHAT DO WE SAY UNION COUNTY GOES AS BAGLESS
YOU GET A PAPER PLAN, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
UH, CATARACT COUNTIES LIKE THAT, THERE ARE NO PLASTIC BAGS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
UH, IT'S BIODEGRADABLE, IT'S RECYCLABLE.
WE CAN'T CREATE OUR OWN THING ORDINANCE LIKE THAT.
WE, WE COULDN'T PROHIBIT IT, BUT WE COULD ENCOURAGE IT.
THERESA, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, DIDN'T WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHARGE FOR PLASTIC BAGS? YEAH, THAT'S ON MY LIST OF THINGS.
WE WANTED TO MOVE, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
BUT IT IT HAS THE SAME EFFECT, RIGHT? THAT FALLS UNDER THE INCENTIVIZATION BUSINESS DOING AWAY WITH ANY KIND OF BAGS OR ANYTHING.
YOU BRING YOUR OWN BAG OR, OR OR YOU CARRY THE GOODS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE STORE.
LIKE WHOLE FOODS IS ALL BAG AND PAPER BAGS, LID AND, AND UH, YOUR OWN BAGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA START GETTING IN TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TYPE OF BAGS THEY CAN CARRY AROUND.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GET INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA SET THEM AS PART OF RECYCLING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA START LEGISLATING THOSE.
SHELL AND I HAVE A PLASTIC BAG IN A, OH, I JUST CAME BACK FROM THREE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WHERE YOU CARRY YOUR OWN BAG INTO THE GROCERY STORE OR WHATEVER.
I'M GLAD THAT WORKS OUT FOR THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, BUT I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA TALK INTO THAT CANADIAN, IT'D BE GREAT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE, BUT WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THE TAXES AND THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
I THINK PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THE TAX IMPACT WAS.
THEY THEY'D BE MORE BEHIND GETTING.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ANYTHING OFF THE TABLE TO SAVE, TO SAVE ON TAXES AND, AND, UH, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IN THIS PILE HERE, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TIME.
IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO THE TSC THING, WHATEVER WE CAN DO NOW IN THE CYCLE, BUT WE'RE IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE THAT WE GOTTA GET THROUGH BY MAY, MAY 7TH.
SO AND DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS FOR THAT? OR CAN WE RAISE THE RATES AFTER THE BUDGET CYCLE? OR DO WE HAVE TO PAY DECIDE? WELL, YOU DO HAVE AN OPTION DECIDE TO MAKE IT.
BUT FOR CONVENIENCE, WE WERE TRYING TO WRAP IT ALL INTO ONE ACTION.
WELL, I'M WONDERING WHETHER WE MIGHT SUBSIDIZE IT ALL THAT MUCH MORE REASON FOR TAKING A ONE YEAR CUT A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, OR ONE YEAR ADJUSTMENT.
NOW GET SEVERAL MONTHS TO REWORK.
THAT WOULD GIVE US A YEAR TO FIGURE IT OUT.
WE COULD SCRAPE TOGETHER TO, I LIKE THE ONE YEAR SUB SUBSIDIZE IT SO IT WOULDN'T BE SUCH A BIG HIT.
THIS LEAST ONE YEAR ADJUSTMENT MAKES, MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE THAN WAITING SAID HAD TO GO HIGHER.
I REALLY DO BECAUSE THIS IS AN AWFUL, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THIS AND SEE HOW MUCH IS GOING ON.
SO IF THE BILLS EVERY TWO MONTHS, THAT'S 18.
WELL, I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO CHALLENGE THE TEAM TO COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO LOWER THAT COST REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT HAPPENS TO BE IN, WHETHER IT'S COMPOSTING OR RECYCLING OR TRASH.
I, I AGREE IN THAT, IN THAT WHOLE FAMILY OF SERVICES, YOU NEED TO REVISIT THIS.
I THINK WE SHOULD CHALLENGE THE TEAM TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD COME UP WITH.
IT, IT, IT'S AWFUL LATE IN THE, IN THE CYCLE TO TRY TO FIGURE IT THAT BIG OF A JUMP OUT.
IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE FEE, WE COULD PROBABLY FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT ALL THESE FEES ACROSS IT IS AWFUL LATE IN THE CYCLE TO TRY TO SQUEEZE IT INTO THIS, THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND, AND AND ARE WE SAYING A ONE YEAR BUT IT'S BEING SQUEEZED IN ALREADY? YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.
BUT THAT'S ALREADY, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE, HAVE THOSE FUNDS WE'RE AT NOW WE'RE GONNA, BECAUSE 'CAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE FUNDS THROUGH THAT AND WE'RE NOT CUTTING OTHER FUNDS BACK TO COMPENSATE FOR, SO I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, IT'S NEXT MONTH OR NEXT TWO WEEKS' TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.
UH, MARK SAYS, SO IN YOUR PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELL US TONIGHT, BUT THAT IN YOUR PROPOSAL, SO IS THIS, IF ANY ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE, UH, REFLECTED IN THE, IN YOUR BUDGET? I MEAN IN OUR LOWERING THE TAXES OR BECAUSE THE ENTERPRISE, IF IT'S ENTERPRISE, ENTERPRISE IS CATCHING UP CAN YOU LOWER THE TAXES? I MEAN, ARE YOU IN YOUR BUDGET? WELL, CERTAINLY WHATEVER MONEY WE HAVE TRANSFERRED IN THE PAST, IF WE MAKE THIS RATE CHANGE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO THOSE RESOURCES WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING ELSE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, REDUCTION OR SOME OTHER NEED, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
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OKAY.SO THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
SO THIS IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE NEW NUMBERS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THIS THE NEW NUMBERS THAT WAS, OKAY, SO, SO DON'T, SO THIS WOULD TAKE 6 MILLION OFF OF SOMETHING ELSE, OR IS IT 6 MILLION OR A MILLION? WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THAT'S A TOTAL 6 MILLION.
FOR THE 6 MILLION FOR THE TOTAL.
WELL, IT WOULD, IT SHOULD TAKE OFF WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
WHAT WAS THAT 6 MILLION? WHATEVER WE'VE BEEN SUBSIDIZING IT FOR TO THAT EXTENT.
SO IF IT GOES UP HERE, IT REDUCES OUR TAX RATE, WHICH IS A MILLION DOLLARS IN THREE YEARS.
I DON'T WANT TO END UP HAVING ANOTHER $6 MILLION IN OUR JUST FREE MONEY LAYING AROUND.
IT'S 350,000 A YEAR, ACCORDING TO HER.
WHAT
ONE YEAR, IN ONE YEAR WE PUT SEVEN $50,000 IN THERE BEFORE, UM, THE 25 BUDGET.
THERE'S A MILLION AND A HALF GAP BETWEEN OUR EXPENSES AND OUR REVENUES WITHOUT DOING ANY KIND OF RATE INCREASE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT AN FY 25 IN ORDER TO NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THE TAX RATE.
AM I SAYING THAT THE WAY I THINK? YES.
SO Y'ALL WERE ASKING, ACCORDING, ACCORDING TO MARK, THE NEW RATE INCREASES ARE IN THIS YEAR'S NEW BUDGET.
WILL THAT OFFSET THE 1.5? CORRECT.
IF YOU, IF THE PROPOSED RATE, YES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE ASKING THAT ROB HAS ON THERE, THAT SHOULD CLOSE THE GAP.
THAT WOULD ZERO US OUT IN SOLID WASTE FUND AND NOT HAVE TO USE ANY GENERAL FUND DOLLARS TO SUPPLEMENT THE SOLID WASTE FUND FOR A YEAR.
AND, AND, AND WE DRIVE DOWN SOME COMBINATION OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE REVERSAL PROFIT TAX RATE, SO THAT THAT MONEY ISN'T IN THE GENERAL FUNDS.
YOU SAY YES, BUT THE DOWN THE UGLY SIDE.
BUT THE UGLY SIDE IS THAT CITIZENS GONNA SEE INCREASE IN THEIR BILL.
I MEAN THAT, SO THERE'S A TRADE OFF, BUT WE GOTTA HAVE THAT STORY BECAUSE IF YOU EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC, YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GET PHONE CALLS.
I MEAN, YOU GOTTA GET A LOT MORE.
I JUST LIKE TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, REVISIT THAT.
UM, WE'RE NOT LIKE, I KNOW WE, WE, WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF NUMBERS HERE FOR HAMPTON AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CHEAPER THAN THEM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, CHEAPER NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
UH, UM, IT'S OPTIONAL IN THE COUNTY.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES A, IT GIVES A PERSON, IF YOU DID OUTREACH AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COME BACK IN A YEAR AND GO, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY PEOPLE, HEY, WE GAINED SUBSCRIBERS.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T, IT, IT, IT'S AN OPTION, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT REAL.
'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE NOT VERY, IF I STOPPED BURNING MY TRASH LIKE I USED TO BACK IN, BACK IN THE STICK CHIEF KAKIS BE COMING AROUND MY HIGH SCHOOL.
SO YEAH, IF YOU'RE IN THE HALLWAY IN WEST VIRGINIA AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A BORROW PIT IN THE BACK,
SO, SO WHEN WE GET BACK TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN, I REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE, WE GET BACK TO DISCUSS THIS AGAIN.
I REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FACTORS THAT ARE DRIVING THE EXPENSE.
AND THEN OPTIONS ON HOW WE CAN DRIVE AT LEAST SOME OF THAT EXPENSE DOWN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR IT ALL BY A TAX RATE.
IT'S EASY TO SIT AROUND AT THIS TABLE TO GO, WELL, WE'LL JUST RAISE THE TAX RATE TO COVER, COVER THE EXPENSES IN REAL LIFE.
WE, WE ALL WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS RAISING THE TAX, RAISING THE RATES TO COVER EXPENSES.
NO, WE, UM, SO, SO WE GOTTA ASK THE HARD QUESTION.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE THE COSTS DOWN? WHAT? WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, WE SHOULD GET A VACUUM CLEANER AND, AND FIGURE THIS THING UP.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAS ALREADY GIVEN US A GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA COST.
AND IF WE DON'T BILL IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE IT FROM THE BUDGET, THOUGH.
WHAT'S GONNA COST IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE, THE EXPENSE STRUCTURE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO DRIVE THE EXPENSE STATUS? SO IT'S NOT AS BAD AS, AS THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY HOUSEHOLD, IN EVERYBODY'S HOUSEHOLD, IF COX SIZE, THEY WANT TO CHARGE DOUBLE ON THEIR, ON THEIR SUBSCRIPTION FEES.
WELL, MAYBE I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO COX ANYMORE.
I, 'CAUSE I 'CAUSE I CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T JUST THROW MORE MONEY AT 'EM.
SO, WELL, WE GOT SIX POINT WHAT? 6 MILLION CHANGE.
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SO IF, YOU KNOW, GO GIVE IT A LOOK.BUT IT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I'M NOT LOOKING AT DIMES AND PENNIES HERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL.
RIGHT? SO COME BACK WITH A, I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT YOU TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S GONNA HURT.
LIKE PASSING A KIDNEY STONE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT?
WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR COMING BACK? LOST THE CONTRACT.
WELL, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY COME BACK AND YOU THINK WE CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH? I SEE.
THAT'S TRIM OFF ABOUT 2 MILLION.
THAT'S GONNA AFFECT SOME SERVICES.
I'M NEVER TAKING YOU OFF OUTSIDE.
YOU LAID ALL OUT ON OUR TABLE RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, JUST LET IT GO.
SO NEXT, YOU DON'T SET THE EXPECTATION, YOU'LL MISS IT.
EVERY TIME THEY'LL BE BACK RECOMMENDATION, YOUR REVISED RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'LL BE BACK.
SO THE POINT, THE POINT IS, IF WE RAISE THESE RATES, WE'RE STILL GONNA ZERO OUT.
WE HAVE TO, YEAH, WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS IF WE CAN TRIM SOME FAT OUT SOMEWHERE, THAT MAY COULD BRING THAT RATE DOWN.
IT, IT'S STILL GONNA HAVE, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A RATE INCREASE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, BUT WE, THE DUE DILIGENCE IS JUST MAKE SENSE.
WHAT CAN WE DO MINIMIZE? NO QUESTION.
SO I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE EXHAUSTED THIS TOPIC, SO THANK Y'ALL FOR THIS.
I KNOW IT WAS A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION, BUT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING AT THE TABLE THEY WANT TO ADD COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING Y'ALL OUT NEXT MONTH.
[3* Senior Center Transportation. Receive presentation from Brian Fuller, Deputy County Administrator and Sheri Newcomb, Director of Community Services. ]
ON.I THINK, UH, WE HAVE MR. FULLER COMING UP.
WE DO, THIS WILL BE A REVISIT OF LAST MONTH'S CONVERSATION ABOUT SENIOR TRANSPORTATION.
AND, UH, NEWCOMB IS GOING TO COME UP HERE WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE LOOKED INTO SINCE OUR LAST CONVERSATION.
SENIOR CENTER OF YORK TRANSPORTATION, UM, THE SENIOR CENTER OF YORK, THEY FORMED A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION.
UM, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT, UH, THAT THERE'S OVER 500 INDIVIDUALS WHO ATTEND THE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, THAT THEY HAVE MEMBERS THERE.
SO IT'S NOT THE 70 FOR THE, SO YOU, AT 55, I THINK YOU ELIGIBLE.
I THINK MOST OF, I THINK WE ALL DO.
I THINK MEMBERS ARE A HUNDRED.
WE DO HAVE MEMBERS THAT ARE A HUNDRED.
UM, ONE OF THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION, THEY FOUND THAT AS A CHALLENGE.
IT'S HINDERING SOME OF THE OLDER, UM, ADULTS WHO ARE ATTENDING THE SENIOR CENTER.
UM, SO THEY FORMED A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS TO INVESTIGATE THE TRANSPORTATION BARRIERS THAT WERE THERE.
THEY LOOKED AT ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
THEY LOOKED AT RIDE SHARE, THEY LOOKED AT UBER, LYFT.
THEY, WE LOOKED AT, UM, FINANCIAL AGENCY ON AGING TO SEE IF THEY MIGHT ABLE HELP OUT.
UM, WE ALSO LOOKED WITHIN OURSELVES, YORK COUNTY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S AN OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT DOES SERVE YORK COUNTY CALLED SENIOR RUNS.
SO THEY LOOKED INTO THE SENIOR RUNS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN THEY CAME TOGETHER WITH ALL THEIR INFORMATION AND THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO YOU.
UM, IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE SENIOR BOARD.
SO THERE'S A SENIOR BOARD THAT RUNS THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND THIS IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT ARE CAME OFF.
UM, UH, THE LADIES, TWO OF THE LADIES THAT SPOKE AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING ARE ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND THE SENIOR BOARD AS WELL.
SO, UM, THEY RECOMMENDED LAUNCHING A TRANSPORTATION, UH, PILOT PROGRAM UTILIZING SENIOR RUNS.
I'M SORRY, I SKIPPED I'M OFFICE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE LOOKED AT DOING IT OURSELVES IN-HOUSE YES.
FOR THAT, IF WE, UM, IF WE, UH, BROUGHT ON DRIVERS OURSELVES, WE NEED A TRANSPORTATION SUPERVISOR THAT COORDINATES PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF.
AND, AND THEY ALSO LOOKED AT, IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP TO PICK UP A SENIOR AND THEY'RE NOT AT THE DOOR AND THEY DON'T ANSWER THE DOOR AND THEY DON'T COME OUT, THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND POSSIBLY GET HELP TO THAT SENIOR.
UM, THE VEHICULAR, UH, OPERATION COST IS 24,000 WITH AN ESTIMATED, IF WE DO IT 146,000.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, MAINTAINING OR PURCHASING VEHICLES TO DO THIS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, HOW MANY VEHICLES, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD WE ACCOMMODATE AND HOW MANY VEHICLES WE NEED TO DO THAT WITH.
WE, WE HAD FIGURED WITH THIS ONE WE COULD DO FIVE RIDERS A WEEK.
NO, THIS ONE WE FIGURED WE COULD DO 10 RIDERS IN THE MORNING AND 10 IN THE AFTERNOON IF WE DID THE WHOLE YEAH, WE DID IT OURSELVES FIVE
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DAYS A WEEK.ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, ON SENIOR RUNS IS THE ONE THAT SAYS FIVE DAYS.
RIGHT? THIS IS THE SENIOR RUNS, UH, SENIOR RUNS IS, UH, FIVE DRIVERS FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
UM, THEY WERE REQUESTING, UM, THE 38,898 FOR SIX MONTHS TO TRY IT FOR SIX MONTHS AND LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE 76,000, UM, A LITTLE OVER THAT FOR A YEAR.
THEY, UH, ALSO RECOMMENDED CHARGING THE PARTICIPANTS $3 PER RIDE JUST FOR ACCOUNTABILITY SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME BUY-IN WITH THAT DOESN'T SUBSIDIZE PROGRAM BY MUCH, BUT IT IS, IT DOES ALLOW, IT GIVES A SKI IN THE GAME, IF YOU WILL.
ALLOWS FOR SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
SO THIS KIND OF CHART KIND OF SUMMARIZES THOSE TWO PROGRAMS AT A ONE SHOT, HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU WOULD, COULD TRANSPORT, WHAT THE COSTS WERE AND ACTUALLY THE COST PER RIDE.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE CURRENT NEED THOUGH? IT, THIS, THIS CURRENTLY THEY'RE COLLECTING APPLICATIONS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THEIR, UM, THEIR PACKAGE.
AND I ASKED 'EM TO START COLLECTING APPLICATIONS SO I COULD SEE WHAT THE NEED IS.
UM, AS OF TODAY, THEY HAVE REPORTED BACK TO ME, THEY HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNED UP THAT WOULD USE IT.
BUT YOU HAVE SOME THAT WILL RIDE THERE, BUT THEN THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR DAUGHTER OR SON TO COME PICK 'EM UP, TAKE 'EM HOME.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA RIDE IT ONE WAY.
JUST, IT WOULD, NO, IT WOULD BE EIGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY EIGHT PEOPLE A WEEK.
SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS, LIKE WHERE THIS ALL STEMMED FROM WAS THE BODY RENEWAL CLASS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GOOD THING ABOUT SENIOR PROGRAMS. THEY START THERE WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE 55, LIKE YOU SAID, RIGHT? THEY HAVE SOME THAT ARE A HUNDRED.
SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT'S THREE DAYS A WEEK.
SO THE SENIOR, THE BODY RENEWAL CLASS IS THREE DAYS A WEEK, AND WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS IN THERE THAT ARE IN THEIR UPPER EIGHTIES AND, AND ALL.
SO THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE TRANSPORTING.
SO THAT'S WHERE THIS STEMMED FROM.
SO SOME OF THOSE EIGHT WOULD BE, YEAH, IT'D BE ONE PERSON, BUT THEY, YOU'D RIDE THREE DAYS A WEEK.
SO THE COST OF THIS SIX MONTHS WOULD PROBABLY BE QUITE REDUCED IF YOU'RE ONLY TAKING EIGHT PEOPLE A WEEK AS OPPOSED TO 10 PEOPLE, 20 PEOPLE A DAY.
NOT BY, NOT BY A GREAT AMOUNT THOUGH, RIGHT.
YOUR COST AND STAFFING AND TIME.
AND A LOT OF IT IS THE, THE TRIAL OF WHEN THEY WANT TO BE AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
YOU HAVE A CORE SENIORS THAT WANT TO BE AT THAT MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, NINE O'CLOCK BODY RENEWAL CLASS.
YOU HAVE SOME THAT WANNA STAY AFTER THAT, SOME THAT WANNA GO RIGHT HOME.
SO, AND THEN THERE ARE PROGRAMS IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IT IT, IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT'S GONNA BE A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE.
WELL, IT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TOO, IS, IS IF WE SET CERTAIN HOURS, THEY CAN WALK DOWN THE FOOD LINE.
THEY CAN DO THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING WHILE THEY'RE WAITING.
THEY CAN GET WHAT THEY NEED AND THEN WE CAN TAKE 'EM HOME FROM THERE.
SO THE GENERAL PROBLEM YOU SEE WITH, WITH, UH, UM, I WOULD SAY CITY BUSES OR RAIL OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS, THIS IS THE SUB, THE SUBSIDIZED SERVICE THAT YOU GOTTA DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S A VALUE.
BUSES TODAY ARE RUNNING AROUND, I THINK $6, $7 IN SUBSIDY FOR EVERY RIDER.
HERE WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT $33 OR SO SUBSIDY FOR EVERY RIDER.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THESE THINGS WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, IS THAT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE COAL HARD LOOKS, IS THAT YOU WANT TO PAY? DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DID A SEARCH THE OTHER DAY JUST, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING ON UBER TO SEE HOW MUCH IT WOULD, WE HAD FIVE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS IN THE ORIGINAL ASK KIND OF LOOKED.
AND IT WOULD COST BETWEEN NINE AND $16 FOR THEM TO GET THERE IN THE MORNING WITH A UBER.
I CHECKED LYFT IN THE AFTERNOON AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AFTERNOON RATES ARE DIFFERENT.
ALL OF THOSE RIDE SERVICES OR DYNAMIC PRICING WAS BETWEEN 10 AND $23 TO GET THEM FROM THE SENIOR CENTER TO THOSE DIFFERENT RESIDENTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, JUST TO SEE IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE PRACTICAL.
UM, SOME OF THE SENIORS ALSO DID LIKE A SHARE RIDE WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MM-HMM.
THE ONLY THING IS, IS THAT'S NOT DEPENDABLE.
BECAUSE THIS PERSON MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO PICK YOU UP TODAY.
AND, AND THEN WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT WAS PICKING UP SOMEBODY FROM ONE COUNTY AND GOING DOWN AND PICKING SOME WAY UP FROM THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTY.
DO THESE PEOPLE, THESE FOLKS NOT HAVE FAMILIES OR SOME OF THEM DO.
SOME OF THEM HAVE FAMILIES? THIS IS, THIS IS A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
SOME OF THEM HAVE FAMILIES, SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE JUST THINKING OF VOLUNTEERS.
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OLDER VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE RETIRED.THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT TO DO.
IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD PICK THEM UP.
I DON'T WANNA SOUND HARD HEARTED HERE, BUT I MEAN, GOODNESS GRACIOUS.
I MEAN, WE'RE DEALING, WE'RE DEALING WITH TAX DOLLARS HERE AGAIN.
AND, UH, I MEAN, HAVE TO BE A, I MEAN, JUST PACK THIS UP.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A DELIBERATE, A DELIBERATE AND DEDICATED COMMITMENT TO DOING THIS.
AND, AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S GONNA COME UP, GIVE US A FIT ABOUT IT.
BUT STILL, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FOR SUBSIDIZING 30, $33 A RIDE AT PROBABLY THE HIGH END OF ANY, ANY SUBSIDIZED TRANSPORTATION I KNOW OF, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS AND MILITARY STUFF THAT THEY, THEY PROVIDE.
BUT MAN, IT'S PRETTY, THIS IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
WHAT'S THE, UH, WHAT'S THE MAIN DRIVER THAT PEOPLE THAT THE, THE FOLKS WHO ARE IN NEED GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER? WHAT ARE THEY GOING FOR FOR THAT, FOR THAT CLASS? EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
WHAT, WHAT'S THEY DO? THEY DO, THEY HAVE CARDS.
THEY HAVE BOARD GAMES PAINTING.
THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO.
AND THE MAJORITY OF THE ACTIVITIES ARE TYPICALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THAT TIME LIKE NINE TO ONE O'CLOCK.
AND THEN SOME OF THEM COME AND ACTUALLY HAVE LUNCH THERE.
SO IF THEY'RE THERE AT LUNCHTIME, THEY CAN EAT LUNCH THERE AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT IS.
I MEAN, THE FOOD IS, IS SEPARATE.
IT'S RPA, IT'S AGENCY ON HH AGENCY H DOES THAT, I WAS TRYING TO GET TO FEEL FOR, IS EVERYBODY KIND OF, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF HELP, ARE THEY ALL KIND OF GETTING THERE FOR THE SAME PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME? OR DO IT JUST HIT AND MISS THROUGHOUT THE DAY? YEAH, I THINK THE NEED STEMMED FROM THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR THE BODY RENEWAL CLASS.
BUT THERE AGAIN, IF YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THEY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO COME TO PLAY BINGO.
THAT THAT'S THE ONLY SOCIAL INTERACTION.
THEY CAN'T CARDS THEY GET THAT WEEK.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT PROVIDING IT FOR ALL, ALL THE PROGRAMS WE THINK, UM, TO DO IT.
OR YOU LOOK AT THE 80 20 RULE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU DO IF YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING, WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN YOU DO? SO IF YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF 80% OF THE NEED AND, AND NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE 80% AS OPPOSED TO DOING NOTHING.
SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T GET A, UH, A VAN AND HAVE VOLUNTEERS PICK THESE PEOPLE UP.
EVEN IF WE HAD TO PAY SOMEBODY TO COORDINATE THOSE RIDES, IF YOU HAD A ADMINISTRATION PE PERSON THAT COULD COORDINATE THOSE RIDES, AND WE COULD GET VOLUNTEERS FIVE DAYS A WEEK, CERTAIN HOURS, AND WE'D SUPPLIED THE VAN AND THE INSURANCE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE PAY FOR A VAN, BUT WE COULD PAY FOR TWO VANS FOR $87,000.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY IN DISCUSSION WITH, UM, YORK BACO AND DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES BECAUSE THEY HAVE STARTED A PROGRAM WITHIN SOCIAL SERVICES TO HELP ELDERLY GET TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS OR JUST TO SOCIALIZE.
SO, UM, MARGARET AND I HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH EACH OTHER TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T WORK TOGETHER ON.
AND THAT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE, THE SCHEME I WAS THINKING.
BASICALLY, UM, KIND OF REPLICATING THE UBER LYFT MODEL.
BUT WE DO IT INTERNALLY RIGHT NOW, WE JUST ACT AS THE BROKER BETWEEN THE, THE VOLUNTEERS WHO HAVE VEHICLES THAT SAY, HEY, I, I GOT SOME FREE TIRE.
I CAN DRIVE SOMEBODY UP THERE.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO NEED A RIDE.
WE JUST PROVIDE THAT INTERFACE FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT.
SO AS SENIOR WILL GO, HEY, I COULD USE A RIDE TUESDAY TO THE THING AT NINE O'CLOCK.
AND SOME OF THESE VOLUNTEERS WILL GO, WELL, I, I'M FREE THAT TIME.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL DRIVE YOU UP THERE.
AND THEN, AND THAT, AND THEN, THEN WE DON'T NEED THE VAN.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE JUST MAINTAINING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THE PEOPLE TOGETHER.
AND BECAUSE I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A TON OF VOLUNTEER FOLKS OUT THERE WHO HAVE TIME THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
OR JUST MAY GO, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M RUNNING UP THE FOOD LINE TO GET GROCERIES ANYWAY SO I CAN RUN YOU UP THERE.
YOU KNOW, BUT WE JUST GOTTA GET THE PEOPLE TOGETHER.
WE LOOK AT OUR SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE BUSING SERVICES CITY.
WE, WE TALKED, WE TALKED TO THE SCHOOLS ABOUT THAT.
HAVE YOU SEEN SOME OF THE SCHOOL BUS OR THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS? WELL, THEY'RE SO SHORT DRIVERS, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERS ENOUGH.
THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERS LIKE, UH, THE YMCA, WHICH HAS, THEY HAVE, UH, BUSES.
WE, I MEAN, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT THE SOCIAL SERVICES HAS, HOW CAN WE PILOT SOMETHING? OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IN.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A, A PERSON TO COORDINATE BECAUSE MM-HMM.
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IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ON THE APP OF THE SENIOR CENTER LIP PROGRAM AND SCHEDULE A RIDE.UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A CADRE OF VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT RELIABLE AND IT'S NOT DEPENDABLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE HARD PRESSED TO BE SUCCESS.
WHO, WHO'S GONNA MANAGE THIS STUFF? WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY IT GONNA BE IN LIKE SOCIAL SERVICES OR WELL, THEY CAN MANAGE SOME OF IT, BUT SOMEONE FROM THE SENIOR CENTER.
SENIOR CENTER, SOMEONE FROM THE SENIOR CENTER, SENIOR CENTER STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO YEAH, SURE.
BECAUSE THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY DON'T TRUST WHO'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO KNOW WHO'S COMING TO PICK 'EM UP.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST, WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO DO A GOOD JOB TO VET THESE VOLUNTEERS AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THIS, THIS POPULATION'S VULNERABLE.
IF, IF WE DON'T, DON'T DO A GOOD JOB VETTING, WE COULD, WE COULD OPEN OURSELVES UP TO GETTING THOSE PEOPLE CONNECTING US.
SOME PEOPLE THAT AREN'T VERY GOOD.
WE, TO ME, THERE'S TOO MANY IFS TOO MANY UNKNOWNS HERE.
WE, WE CAN START TELLING PEOPLE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA START DOING THIS AND WE GET ALL THIS EXPECTATION ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE, WE CAN BUILD THIS WITH A GOLD WATCH.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T NEED A GOLD PLATED VERSION, SO LET'S TRY A PILOT PROGRAM.
BUT I MEAN, WE NEED TO DO IS PILOT PROGRAM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN IT'S, BUT LOOK AT THE COST ON THIS THING.
WE GOTTA HIRE PEOPLE, BUY EQUIPMENT TO DO THE PILOT PROGRAM.
THEN YOU GOT ALL THAT SUNK COSTS, YOU MESS CONTINUE.
DON'T WE HAVE A VAN AND THAT WE CAN USE WITHOUT HAVING TO FIND ANOTHER VAN? WE, WE HAVE ONE, BUT IT'S USED FOR OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL.
WELL IF YOU TIE IT UP JUST FOR TRANSPORTATION, THAT, THAT, WELL, MY THING ABOUT THAT IS GOING BACK TO YOU, WE HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT.
BUT YOU'RE ASKING VOLUNTEERS NOW TO VOLUNTEER TO TAKE PEOPLE TO THERE, BUT THEN THEY MAY HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO YORKTOWN AND THEY'RE, NOW IT'S EXPENSE ON THEIR CAR, IT'S FUEL FOR THEIR CAR.
IT WOULD BE EASIER PROBABLY IF THEY COULD GO SOMEWHERE AND GET IN A VAN.
WE TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE, WE TAKE CARE OF THE GAS, WE TAKE CARE OF KEEPING IT UP TO DATE.
SO WE TAKE THAT LIABILITY ON US AND NOT THE PERSON DRIVING THEM.
I I THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL DRIVES, WHICH DRIVES UP COST.
IT DRIVES UP COST FOR INSURANCE FOR SURE.
MAINTENANCE AND COST, WHICH IS WHY WE CAN DO A BLENDED APPROACH.
AND SOME PEOPLE MAY BE COMFORTABLE REAR RIDING WITH A VOLUNTEER.
CAN WE ASK MARGARET TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER PROGRAM? HER PROGRAM WAS, WE, WE WERE JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THAT AFTER WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING.
IF YOU WANT TO THANK YOU, SHARE HOW THAT'S PROGRESSING AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN MAYBE WORK TOGETHER AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S A, A COMBINATION.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH SHERRY.
THIS IS A VERY NEW PROGRAM TO US.
UM, BUT IT IS UP AND RUNNING, BUT IT'S IN ITS INFANCY.
UM, HOW WE STARTED OUT THE PROGRAM WAS, IT IS A VERY VULNERABLE POPULATION, BUT WE SAW THROUGH COVID PEOPLE WANTING VISITS, BEING ABLE TO GET OUT, MAYBE NOT QUALIFYING FOR THE UBER OR THE MEDICAID RIDES.
SO WE PARTNERED WITH CURRENTLY ONE SCHOOL, OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, WE STARTED WITH PARTNERSHIP WITH ONE SCHOOL.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UH, CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY.
WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND WITH NORFOLK STATE UNIVERSITY AND VCU.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE STUDENTS ACTUALLY AS PART OF THEIR VOLUNTEERISM EARNS CREDITS TOWARDS THEIR DEGREE, BUT THEY HAVE TO GO AND GET VETTED THROUGH OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS.
SO WE'RE FULLY VETTING THEM OUT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE DEFENSIVE DRIVING.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE A WHOLE PREREQUISITE OF COURSES BEFORE WE EVEN ASSIGN THEM TO SOMEBODY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING THAT NEED.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, AGAIN, IT'S VERY NEW, THREE TO FIVE VOLUNTEERS RIGHT NOW.
WE ALREADY HAVE SIGNED UP ON BOARD THAT ARE WORKING AND GOING OUT DOING ANYTHING FROM GROCERY RUNS TO LUNCHES, VISITS, UM, DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS.
WE'RE TRYING TO OFFSET THE NEED THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED TO GROW OUR VOLUNTEER BASE.
THAT'S WHERE WE STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WE USED TO HAVE A, UH, A VERY LONG-TERM EMPLOYEE THAT WAS PART-TIME THAT ACTUALLY IS A PART OF OUR BUDGET THAT WOULD DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND HELP US.
'CAUSE THE NEED JUST KEEPS GROWING AND GROWING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT GENTLEMAN DUE TO HIS OWN HEALTH ISSUES IS NO LONGER WITH US.
AND WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN RECRUITING A ANOTHER PART-TIME VAN DRIVER, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES AND WE DEVELOP THIS PROGRAM, UM, OF WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY BEING CON CONSIDERED FOR, FOR RECOGNITION FOR.
HOWEVER, IF WE COULD GET A LARGER VOLUNTEER BASE THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT.
AND IF WE COULD GET MORE SCHOOLS ON BOARD, WHICH
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IS OUR HOPE, OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR AND MYSELF ARE CURRENTLY SETTING UP APPOINTMENTS SO THAT WE COULD DO THAT.IT WOULD BE OUR VISION TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND IT EVEN FURTHER.
UM, SO, SO WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR VOLUNTEERS FROM? UH, RIGHT NOW COLLEGE.
IT'S BEEN FROM CHRISTOPHER COORDINATOR.
BUT HOW DO, HOW, SO HOW DO, WHAT ARE THEY DOING IN TERMS OF EARNING THE DEGREE? WHAT DEGREE IS THIS? SO WE WORK WITH CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY, VCU AND NORFOLK STATE UNIVERSITY FOR SOCIAL WORK STUDENTS.
SO THIS BECOMES EXPERIENCE AND EXPOSURE FOR THEM WITHIN THE FIELD.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH CLIENTS THAT ARE WITHIN NEED.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TO MEET REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T WANNA PUT ANYBODY IN A PROTECTION.
WE ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A COUNTY VEHICLE, WHICH WE USE VEHICLES IN OUR FLEET.
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A DIFFERENT VEHICLE THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
AND WHERE WE CAN COMBINE VISITS, WE DO.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU MAXIMIZE THE USE OF YOUR VOLUNTEERS THAT YOU HAVE.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU HAVE THEM? WEEKLY? UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT THREE VERY ACTIVE CLIENTS THAT, UM, WE GO OUT TO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY NEED ABOUT TWO TIMES A WEEK.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE VOLUNTEER BASE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE NEEDING TO GROW.
UM, IF WE COULD GET THE TWO OTHER SCHOOLS ON BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS MY HOPE WOULD BE IF I COULD GET FIVE MORE THERE AND FIVE MORE THERE.
UM, BUT YOU CAN HANDLE ONE BBCU AND NORFOLK STATE, YOU SAID VCU AND NORFOLK STATE ARE CURRENTLY WHO WE'RE REACHING OUT TO.
WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP ALREADY WITH CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT UNIVERSITY.
SO THEY HAVE A SOCIAL WORKER, SOCIAL WORK.
BUT IF YOU GET A FIVE MORE VOLUNTEERS FROM VCU, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOCAL CAMPUS HERE? NOT, NOT THE CAMPUS OF RICHMOND.
THEY, NOBODY'S GONNA COME DOWN TO RICHMOND TO DRIVE SOMEBODY.
YOUR COUNTY, THE SENIOR CENTER, THEY COME TO DO INTERNSHIPS FOR US ALL.
OH, SO THIS IS PART OF IN OH, DOWN HERE FOR AN INTERNSHIP.
THEY EARN CREDIT AT THEIR SCHOOL VOUCHER.
SO THIS 146,000, WHATEVER HIS NUMBER IS.
THAT WAS SO HOW MUCH IF YOU DO IT? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE.
AND THEY VETTED THAT THEY HAVE TED THAT PROCESS FURTHER THAN I HAVE.
WHAT'S IT COSTING NOW WITH THE, WITH THE PILOT PROGRAM? WELL, THEY'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS AND SO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING OUT, IT'S BASICALLY THE CAUSE OF THE COUNTY GAS AT THE GAS STATION IN ONE OF OUR COUNTY VEHICLES.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY VETTED THEM.
SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU, I, I APOLOGIZE.
DO YOU CHARGE, I'M SORRY? DO YOU CHARGE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TAKING? DO THEY PAY ANYTHING? WE DO NOT NOW.
OURS IS BASED ON HONESTLY CLIENT NEED RIGHT.
THEY DON'T HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE THIS REQUEST THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER, UH, SHERRY'S DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF BRIAN IS A BROADER BASE THAN MY CLIENTELE.
UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE GREAT NEED FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE ELDERLY POPULATION.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY FOR A SENIOR SITTER, OKAY.
WOULD YOUR PROGRAM BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT? IF SHE HAS THE VOLUNTEERS? THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
AND I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WITH THIS NEW FRAMEWORK THAT SHE'S GOT IN THIS NEW PROGRAM, WITH THAT JUST COMING TO LIGHT, AFTER WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT, WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN SUPPLEMENT THAT.
WE CAN RECRUIT MORE VOLUNTEERS LOCALLY.
AND KIND OF USE THE MODEL THAT SHE'S GOT AND KIND OF SUPPLEMENT THAT AND BROADEN THE, THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE RIDES FOR SENIORS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IF WE CAN DO IT, IS PROBABLY THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY.
THAT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO BUILD, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE THAT NEED RIDES, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED 15 VOLUNTEERS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LIVES TOO.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO BUILD A BASE, BUT WE THINK WE CAN, I CAN SEE IT FIT INTO PROGRAM OKAY.
THAT IT MAYBE GROW BECAUSE THEN WE GOT TESTS, WE SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, WE KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE IT'S GONNA BE.
UH, I MEAN, JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN JUMPING INTO TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE BEAUTY OF, OF THIS.
THEY ALREADY HAVE, HAVE THE PILOT.
WE, WE CAN JUST KIND OF GROW TO GROW INTO THAT.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE PILOT PROGRAM THOUGH.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS I'VE GOT ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, UH, IF THE BOARD WERE TO SET ASIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A GUY'S GETTING A GRANT FROM THE COUNTY.
SAY WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND I MEAN, I DON'T, I I'M NOT GONNA COUGH UP 146,000 AND I DON'T THINK, AND THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF BEING ABLE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT,
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WHAT SOCIAL SERVICES DOING.SO COME BACK WITH A NUMBER IF NUMBER GOT SOME VEHICLES.
THAT'D BE MUCH MORE REASONABLE.
THE COUNTY VEHICLES THAT THEY USE TODAY, WHAT VEHICLES ARE THOSE? SOCIAL SERVICES VEHICLES.
BUT, BUT THEY'RE COUNTY VEHICLES.
SO WHEN WE PICK UP CLIENTS FOR OTHER NEEDS WITHIN OUR SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A SMALL FLEET OF VEHICLES THAT WE USE FOR THAT.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THEIR OWN PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION.
AND SO OUR INSURANCE UNDERWRITERS ARE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN PLACE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE VETTING PROGRAM, THE FINGERPRINTS, THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, THE WHOLE THING.
THEY HAVE TO DO FEDERAL, THEY HAVE TO DO STATE, THEY HAVE TO DO DEFENSIVE DRIVING.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BASIC MINI TRAINING COURSE OF WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO AS A VOLUNTEER.
DO THEY, UM, ARE THE VEHICLES, ARE THESE SPECIAL VEHICLES DESIGNED FOR HANDICAP? STUFF LIKE THAT? OR, UM, I, I, I DON'T, WOULDN'T WANNA QUOTE, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE VAN THAT MAY BE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE.
UM, SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY EQUIPPED FOR THAT.
AND OUR VAN IS SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, IF WE HAD A PERSON THAT, THAT NEEDED A HANDICAP LIFT, THEN WE WOULD PAIR, WELL, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING RIGHT.
WE'RE GETTING ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
I'M SITTING, OKAY, HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO START THIS? HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED? SO, AND, AND, AND I'M THINKING, HOW DO WE, HOW DO YOU IN SYNTHESIZE VOLUNTEERS TO A DEGREE TOO? SO THE COLLEGE STUDENT, THEY GET COLLEGE CREDIT.
SO THEY GET, THAT'S THEIR INCENTIVE TO DO IT.
WELL, THE GOOD THING ABOUT YOU THINK ABOUT SOME INCENTIVES THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM.
YOU GET, YOU GET A LITTLE, LITTLE SOMETHING.
AND WE TRIED TO WORK WITH THAT WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN WE TRIED TO KEEP IT JUST WITHIN THE SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN THE BODY RENEWAL CLASS AND YOU'RE WILLING TO PICK SOMEBODY UP, I'LL LET YOU SIGN UP FOR, I'LL GIVE YOU THE REGISTRATION FREE.
AND WE JUST NEVER, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T GROW.
BUT THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS YES, WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER, BUT WE'RE ONLY ASKING THEM TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME.
WE'RE NOT ASKING 'EM TO VOLUNTEER THE USE OF THEIR VEHICLE, THE WEAR AND TEAR, THE GAS AND THOSE THINGS.
HOW ABOUT WORK IS REQUIRED? YOU COULD SUPPLEMENT WITH WORK REQUIRED AS WELL.
WHAT SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE.
AND I KNOW WE GET VOLUNTEERS FOR THAT.
THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THE MM-HMM.
SO THAT WAY YOU, YOU COULD BUILD A BASE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUILD SOME OF THAT.
I I WOULD, I THINK THAT THAT TO ME IS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE.
DO A KIND OF WORK COOK FOR VOLUNTEERS.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED A VOLUNTEER.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY TO MAKE SURE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION AT THIS TABLE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTIVE.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS SUPPORTIVE OF HOW DO WE DO THIS MATTER? HOW, HOW WE, WE NEED THE MECHANICS.
HOW DO WE MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE? COST EFFECTIVELY.
AND THEN, AND IS THERE, DO WE THINK THROUGH THE PEOPLE WE'RE PICKING UP, DO THEY PAY A NOMINAL FEE? FIVE BUCKS A RIDE OR SOMETHING? I THINK, I THINK AN ACCOUNTABILITY FEE IS DESCRIBED.
WE TRY TO COVER THE WHOLE THING, BUT SO RIGHT.
BUT WE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT THIS IN THIS BUDGET
THAT'S, I MEAN, WE PUT IT IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE COMING UP QUICK AND UH, AND THEN YOU COME BACK WITH, UH, SOMEWHERE IN HERE.
I KNOW WE'RE GOTTA DO ALL THE CHARITY STUFF.
I MEAN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A FIGURE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
A SIX MONTH AND MAYBE ANOTHER SIX MONTH OR SO.
BUT THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN MARK'S BUDGET NOW BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE JUST DID THIS.
SO Y'ALL JUST FIGURE OUT WHERE TO TRIM.
ESTIMATE IS X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THAT X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
YOU COULD DO FIVE PEOPLE IN, IN A COUNTY VAN OR 20 PEOPLE THROUGH VOLUNTEERS.
SO WHAT'S THE DEAL? FIRST THE QUESTION IS IF YOU NEED COST VALUE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA PUBLICIZE THE NEED FOR VOLUNTEERS TO DO THIS? WELL THAT'S A, THAT'S OR IS IT GONNA BE JUST WORD OF MOUTH? NO, NO.
WE'LL, TO DO, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
WE, WE'LL HAVE TO THROUGH, THROUGH THE PARTS AND RECREATION EMAILS THAT WOULD WE HAVE ATON THAT WOULD BE A VEHICLE THROUGH SOCIAL SERVICES, THROUGH THE COUNTY'S, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA AND WEBSITES.
WE'LL REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO, TO CHURCHES.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO BRIAN, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
THE QUESTION, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THE DOLLAR EVERY TIME.
SO COME BACK TO US FOR THE BUDGET SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, THIS HAS GOTTA FIT IN THE BUDGET.
MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I THINK MARK'S OVER HERE KIND OF LIKE, SO WHAT YOU TWITCHING HERE NOW? ALRIGHT.
UM, TWITCH, WHAT YOU SAID WAS YOU DIDN'T WANNA SPEND THE $40,000 ON A PILOT PROGRAM, BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THIS.
I DIDN'T WANNA SPEND $146,000 ON
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NO, NO, I UNDERSTOOD THAT.THAT WAS, THAT WAS PRETTY LOUD AND CLEAR.
THE $40,000 THAT THEY ASKED FOR EARLIER IS WHAT YOU SAID WAS YOU DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT.
YOU WOULD PREFER TO DO THIS VOLUNTEER THING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU WANT.
SO THE, THE INCREASE IN COST IS BASICALLY VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.
WELL WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE OR, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD COVER.
UM, I THINK WE CAN WORK ALL THAT OUT TO START WITH.
AND THEN IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE THAT WE CAN FIND A POOL OF VOLUNTEERS, THAT'LL REMAIN.
I MEAN HONESTLY, MY, I DON'T WANNA BE DEBBIE DOWNER, BUT I THINK THAT'S YOUR CHALLENGE.
WELL, I, AND THAT'S WHY WE THROW IN, YOU ALSO CONSIDER WORK IS REQUIRED.
WE GOT THESE STUDENTS, BUT THE WORK'S REQUIRED.
SO COME BACK WITH A FIGURE WITH, WITH CERTAIN NUMBER OF WORK IS REQUIRED.
SO THEY, SO YOU PUT IT ALL IN.
IF YOU NEED $40,000 DRIVER AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT IS REQUIRED.
MARK, I PUT $50,000 IN THERE FOR SOMETHING.
IF I MAY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY YES FOR THE SIX MONTHS IN THIS INCEPTION OF THIS AT THE BEGINNING THAT, UM, MR. BELLAMY IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN GETTING THIS OFF THE GROUND WAS THERE WASN'T VOLUNTEERS AND IT WAS THE INCENTIVE THAT IT WAS TIED TO THEIR SCHOOLWORK.
WE WENT OUT TO ALL COMMUNITY OUTREACH ORGANIZATIONS, WANIS, LEANNE'S CLUB.
WE WENT TO THE CHURCHES, WE TRIED TO RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS, WE GOT NONE, NOTHING.
THE ONLY VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED TODAY.
I JUST, I JUST WANT, IN FAIRNESS FOR THEIR PRESENTATION HERE TODAY, I DO THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IF WE WANNA GROW IT.
UM, THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SAME AS MY CHALLENGE WITH A PART-TIME DRIVER.
SO IF YOU CAN'T FILL A DRIVER, YOU CAN'T.
WORK IS REQUIRED, WORK IS REQUIRED, BUT WORK IS REQUIRED.
UM, NO OFFENSE, MR. SHEPHERD IS THE SAME AS WORK IS, WORK IS REQUIRED.
AND PART-TIME IS THE SAME THING.
I JUST, FOR THE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, I'M NOT HAVING ANYBODY APPLY.
AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT FOR THAT CAN'T GET.
SO THAT MAY BE, I WOULD THINK WHERE THEIR CHALLENGE WOULD BE IN.
DO YOU HAVE A FULL-TIME DRIVER OR DO YOU PAY THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT SOCIAL SERVICES CAN PAY? I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL GIVE 'EM FREE RECYCLING.
SO SERIOUSLY, I'M TRYING TO GET THE PROGRAM DONE.
GET MARK SOMETHING TO GO FORWARD WITH.
WE, WE DON'T, WE WE, THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM.
IF YOU GOT VOLUNTEERS, YOU'RE NOT GETTING VOLUNTEERS.
THAT'S, I'M HEARING YOU LOUD, CLEAR.
SO WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO TO GET DRIVERS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, WE GOT A VEHICLE.
SOUNDS LIKE WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO TO GET DRIVERS? SO SIR, BACK IN MY DAY OF AND, AND FLEET, UM, YOU COULD POSSIBLY USE, UM, THE TROLLEY DRIVERS, UH, THEY DRIVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT AT, AT CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR.
AND DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU COULD USE THEM.
SO WE'RE WE'RE SAYING PRO, WE'RE SAYING SHOOT YOU.
NO, ACTUALLY WE TALKED TO WELL THEY DON'T HAVE TO WHAT TAXI DRIVERS DON'T TROLLEY DRIVERS.
SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY TROLLEY DRIVERS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE AVAILABLE FREE TO DO THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE SCHEDULES.
THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR THAT IT WOULD BE HARD FOR THEM, BUT THE SUMMERS THEY CAN'T DO IT.
BUT IN THE SUMMERTIME YOU PROBABLY GET SOME CONSTRAINTS.
IT WOULD BE, IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME MONEY.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EASY, NO THERE ISN'T.
THERE ISN'T EASY BUTTON TO HIT.
SO DOING WHAT YOU CAN FOR ONE THAT YOU WISH YOU COULD DO FOR MANY, WE CAN'T COVER THE ENTIRE YEAR FOR EVERYBODY.
THEN WHAT CAN WE DO? AND LET'S AT LEAST DO THAT AND GET AT LEAST THAT DONE.
AND THEN MAYBE THAT, MAYBE IT GOES FROM THERE.
I, BECAUSE OF WHAT SHERRY JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT, THEY'RE TAKING APPLICATIONS.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE, WHAT THE PRIORITY IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN APPLY THAT RULE TO WHAT WE SEE IN THE APPLICATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO START.
ALL AGREE IS NEED WET, KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS YET THE LOCATION WHERE THEY LIVE, RIGHT.
I MEAN THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO SEE, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PROPOSAL AND IT WAS 2020 RIDERS A DAY.
MY, MY CONCERN HERE IS I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I KEEP THINKING WE'RE GOING INTO, WE'RE GOING INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE THIS YEAR.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THIS YEAR OR ARE WE JUST GONNA, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU NO, WE HAVE TO START IT THIS YEAR.
SO YOU GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME MONEY NUMBERS, TAKE A VALIUM TOO MANY AT THE, WHETHER IT'S 40,000 OR THE 50,000 THAT MR. DRURY JUST SUGGESTED, DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO COME BACK WITH THAT? YES.
I MEAN, I, I COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THAT IF IT, IF IT GETS THE PROGRAM MOVING AND YOU THINK THAT WILL BE, WE GIVE YOU, WE GIVE YOU A TOP NUMBER, 50 GRAND
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AND THEN, THEN START USING THAT.OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING HERE ALL DAY TRYING TO FIGURE WHERE TO WELL THAT'S MY, ABOUT REALLY COMING BACK.
I THINK WE, I MEAN I'M OKAY WITH A, AND IT MAY START OFF SMALL, MARK.
AND IF YOU DON'T USE IT, THEN IT GOES BACK INTO THE TREASURY.
AT LEAST YOU NEED A PLACEHOLDER.
BUT IF, IF IT GETS US THREE, THREE VOLUNTEERS A WEEK, YOU KNOW, LET'S START SOMEWHERE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO USE $50,000 NUMBER.
WHICH, WHICH DAY IS Y'ALL OR SOUTH TO DRIVE
FIRST OR SECOND TUESDAY EVERY MONTH RIGHT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE THE PROGRAM IS, MAYBE THE PROGRAM CAN COVER ONE ONE DAY A WEEK.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN HELP PEOPLE ONE DAY A WEEK AND ANOTHER COUPLE DAYS.
WE, WE, WE CAN'T DO, MAYBE WE CAN'T DO IT ALL.
I MEAN, WE CAN DO SOME, WE MAKE THE MOST OUTTA THE RESOURCES THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN US.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE THEN WHEN WE EXHAUST THOSE, WE WILL EVALUATE THE PROGRAM AND SEE IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO FARTHER.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT ISN'T COMING BACK.
HE WAS LIKE, NO, YOU KNOW, IIII THINK I LIKE THE, I MEAN IF WE COULD GET VOLUNTEERS, BUT YES, THOSE OF US WHO ARE INVOLVED IN VOLUNTEER PROGRAMS UNDERSTAND THAT WE REALLY ARE NOT GETTING THE VOLUNTEERS.
WE WILL OFFER COFFEE WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU SEE THAT WITH YOUR TAX APPROACH? I SEE THE TAXES.
THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, FREE LEGAL CONSULTANTS.
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WELL THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM JANUARY 16TH.
ANOTHER ONE IS ACCOMMODATION AND EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
I'D LIKE TO ASK, WOULD, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED AS A SEPARATE VOTE? ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO PULL JUST FOR GREATER DISCUSSION? NO MOVE.
ANYBODY WHO SHOULD MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
HE MOVE CONSENT CALENDAR DISCUSSION.
SO MS. KNOWLES MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON CONSENT CALENDAR? I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
SO WE HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS AT BEDTIME.
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UM, OPEN DISCUSSION.I I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING THIS TIME.
JUST MOST OF THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING IS, IS AS MR. SHEPHERD HAS ALREADY SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT TAXES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S ALL WILL BE, UH, I THINK THE, THE KICKOFF OF THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND THEN THE PUBLIC SESSION FOLLOWING IT, I, I THINK UP TO DATE WE HAVE ABOUT 34 PEOPLE WHO HAD HIT THE, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND UM, THAT WAS THE LAST NUMBER THAT I HAD.
THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE THAN THAT.
WE'RE TO 41 NOW THAT I THINK THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
ANOTHER INTERESTING NUMBER THAT I THINK YOU BE WOULD WANT TO KNOW IS, UH, I TALKED TO MARIA YESTERDAY ABOUT, UM, ASSESSMENTS AND WHO HAS, UM, ASKED FOR BOE? THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
AND THERE ARE ONLY 10 OUT OF 10 RESIDENTIAL OUT OF 27,000 HOUSEHOLDS.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT HAS TO GO UP.
EVEN, EVEN EVEN MY NEIGHBOR HAS ACCOSTED ME.
SHE SAID, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S MADE MY TAX GO UP.
I SAID, MA'AM, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET.
SO I JUST TELL 'EM WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE AT ALL.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST INTERACTION THAT WE'VE HAD REGARDING THE BUDGET WITH, WITH THIS PORTAL.
SO THIS, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS STORY, I BELIEVE FOR THE COUNTY.
THEY PROVIDED WAY INFORMATION UP FRONT AND, AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO PEOPLE TO SHARE COMMENTS.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.
SO I THINK THIS, THIS BE GOOD.
I THINK YOU'LL ALLOW ME FOR A SECOND.
I, I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE, UH, YOU KNOW, BLEW IT OUTTA THE WATER, BUT
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IT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN EFFORT BY THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.I THINK THINK THE BUDGET VIDEOS HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON THAT AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION THAT GAIL GETS OUT, THE REST OF THE TEAM, HEATHER, UH, THE REST OF THOSE FOLKS, I THINK IT'S HAD A REAL IMPACT.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S GETTING READY TO COME UP, SO AS, AS WE JUST MENTIONED THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SERIOUS BUDGET DISCUSSION, BUT AFTER THAT, ON THE 26TH, YOU'VE OFFERED A TOWN HALL.
AND THERESA'S IN THE THROES RIGHT NOW MAKING SURE ALL LOGISTICS ARE READY FOR THAT.
SO THAT SHOULD BE, UM, I'M GONNA ASK HOW DOES THAT PART OF THAT AS WELL, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IF THEY REALLY HAVEN'T HAVE AN ISSUE.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN ATTENDING THAT, SO THAT'S GONNA BE GOOD.
SO WE, WE HAVE MADE SOME REAL PROGRESS, I THINK, IN THIS AREA.
I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU AND, AND, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS HAVE SEEN YEARS WHERE WE HAD MAYBE TWO PEOPLE SPEAK, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THAT'S A SLIGHT EXAGGERATION, BUT IT NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY LOW.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE 41 PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED ONLINE THEIR COMMENTS, UH, IS, IS A, IS A BIG DEAL AND THAT'S A GOOD FEEDBACK IN THERE.
AND AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE IT AS WELL FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR TOWN HALL MEETING AS WELL.
UM, WITH THAT NO CLOSED MEETING, SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO ADJOURNMENT.
UM, NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WILL BE AT 6:00 PM ON MARCH 19TH AND YOUR CALL UPSTAIRS.
WITH THAT, EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD EVENING FOR ADJOURNING.