Feb 14, 2024 Planning Commission

MOVING TO OUR LAST MEETING'S MINUTES, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? EVERYBODY RECEIVED THAT? I HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT 'EM.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ON ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[4. Approve Minutes – January 10, 2024]

WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO MOVED.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 10TH, 2024.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN, I'LL ABSTAIN.

I WAS NOT ON THE BOARD.

[5. Citizen Comments]

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZENS' COMMENT.

PERIOD.

UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

UH, IF WE HAVE ANYONE YOU CAN PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

UH, I'M ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AGAIN ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

NOW MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

HAVING SEEN NONE.

UM, WE'LL

[Application No. PD-59-24, EAH LLC: Request to amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying an approximately 32.0-acre parcel (GPIN H13b-3278-4775) located at 200 Water Country Parkway (Route 640) and an approximately 0.7-acre parcel (GPIN H14d-3681-0790) located at 1569 Penniman Road (Route 641) from EO (Economic Opportunity) to PDMU (Planned Development Mixed Use) subject to voluntarily proffered conditions. According to the applicant’s narrative, the proposed project – Marquis Crossing – “is projected upon completion to have a maximum of 314 luxury apartments at the rear of the property across from Whittaker’s Mill, 3.5 +/- acres of convenience, gas, and/or food use at the front corner of Marquis Center Parkway and Water Country Parkway, and 15 acres of remaining commercial development along the Marquis Center Parkway frontage across from the Marquis and Water Country USA.” The subject parcels are designated Economic Opportunity in the Comprehensive Plan.]

UH, WE HAVE ONE TONIGHT.

UH, STAFF WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT TO SPEAK, UH, FOLLOWED BY YOUR CITIZEN COMMENTS.

UH, FOR THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF, PLEASE.

TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 33 ACRES ON MARQUES CENTER PARKWAY, UH, FROM ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, E-A-H-L-L-C.

THE NAME OF THE PRO PROPOSED PROJECT IS MARQUEE CROSSING.

UH, THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THE ZONING MAP HERE, UH, SORT OF A LONG TRIANGULAR, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY.

MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, UH, THE COUNTY HAD A PLAN TO DEVELOP A MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL STADIUM.

ON THIS, UH, PROPERTY WOULD'VE BEEN A VERY NICE, UH, AMENITY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

UH, AND SO THE PROPERTY REMAINS UNDEVELOPED.

TODAY, PROPERTY IS ZONED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AS IS MOST OF THE PROPERTY AROUND IT.

ACROSS THE STREET IS THE MARQUEE CENTER.

UH, THE, THE GB, THE GBS PARCEL THAT YOU SEE IN WITHIN THE MARQUEE IS THE JC PENNY PARCEL, WHICH MANY OF YOU MAY RECALL WAS REZONED GB A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, WHILE THE REST OF THE MARQUEE REMAINED, UH, EO.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PENMAN ROAD FROM THIS PROPERTY, YOU HAVE PD ZONING, WHICH IS THE WHITAKER'S MILL, UH, SUBDIVISION OF 230 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND TOWNHOUSES.

UH, THERE, THERE'S SOME IL PROPERTY, UH, TO THE NORTH CONSISTING OF SOME, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, NURSERY WHOLESALE BUSINESSES, AND, UH, UH, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL PARKS AND THE TRUCK PARKING FACILITY.

UH, I SHOULD NOTE, THE, UH, UH, THE PARCEL HAS FRONTAGE

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ON THREE, UH, ROADS, PENMAN ROAD, MARQUE CENTER PARKWAY, WHICH IS ROUTE 1 99 AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.

UH, THE DECOMMISSIONED CHEATHAM RAIL SPUR, UH, RUNS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MAP HERE.

THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE US NAVY.

SO THERE ARE REALLY TWO PARCELS HERE.

THERE'S THE BIG 32 ACRE PIECE, AND THEN THERE'S A TINY LITTLE SLIVER OVER HERE BETWEEN PENMAN ROAD AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS AND IS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

IT'S AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S UNDEVELOPED AND HEAVILY WOODED.

AND HERE'S A LITTLE BETTER PICTURE, ACTUALLY.

IT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, IT GIVES YOU KIND OF A BETTER VIEW OF THE SURROUNDINGS.

YOU CAN SEE WHITAKER'S MILL OFF IN THE DISTANCE HERE, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA OVER HERE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE WINDHAM GARDEN HOTEL ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.

AND THEN THE MARQUEE CENTER, THE ENTRANCE OF THE MARQUEE CENTER IS OVER HERE.

AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE AT THE, YOU'RE RIGHT OFF OF I 64.

THE, UH, UH, ROUTE 1 99, UH, WATER COUNTRY, UH, INTERCHANGE, UH, STREET VIEW FROM PENMAN ROAD.

AND THEN THERE'S A STREET VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE, ROUTE 1 99.

AND SO THE PROJECT CALLED MARQUEE CROSSING, UH, THAT'S PROPOSED WOULD BE A 33 ACRE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 314 APARTMENT UNITS, UH, ON ABOUT 13 AND A HALF ACRES OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING A CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION, UH, AT THE CORNER OF ROUTE 1 99 IN WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, UM, ADJACENT TO THE, UH, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND THEN THE RETA REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RETAINED FOR SOME TYPE OF UNSPECIFIED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF THE PROPERTY, 15.7 ACRES.

AND HERE IS THE SKETCH PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, OVER HERE, UH, IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE APARTMENTS, UH, TWO BUILDINGS, ALSO SOME, UH, GARAGE BUILDINGS.

THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WOULD BE FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THE PDMU ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR MULTIFAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION, UH, WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A USER FOR THAT CONVENIENCE STORE, GAS STATION UNDER CONTRACT.

UH, AND THEN THE, AS I SAID, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, UH, REALLY THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR APPROXIMATELY 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, SOME SORT OF MIX OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE WOULD BE FOUR ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY OFF OF 1 99, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

THE, UH, 1 9 9 IS A LIMITED ACCESS FACILITY.

SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE PROPERTY OWNER WENT TO FIRST THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD TO HAVE, UH, UH, THE LIMITED ACCESS, UH, REMOVED FROM THIS SECTION OF THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW, UH, ENTRANCES OFF OF 1 99.

SO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ENDORSED THAT REQUEST, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

SO, UH, THEY'RE ENTITLED, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ENTITLED TO THESE TWO ENTRANCES ON MARQUEE CENTER PARKWAY, ROUTE 1 99.

SO, UH, YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE ENTRANCE HERE ACROSS FROM THE, UH, MARQUEE EXIT, AND THEN ANOTHER ENTRANCE ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE TO WATER COUNTRY, USA, THE THEME PARK.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A SECOND ENTRANCE TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE OR GAS STATION OFF OF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.

AND, UH, AND THEN HERE YOU HAVE ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT AT THIS SCALE, BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NETWORK OF WALKING TRAILS, UH, AND SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE TO SEE IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, PRINCIPLE GOALS OF OUR MIXED USE ORDINANCE IS A COMPACT, UH, MIX OF RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL USE, UH, IN A, IN A COHESIVELY

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DESIGNED, UH, WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.

THERE'S SOME GUIDELINES IN THE PDMU ORDINANCE, UM, AND THEY ARE GUIDELINES.

THEY'RE NOT STANDARDS PER SE, BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO DEVIATE FROM THOSE, UH, GUIDELINES WHEN THEY'RE APPROVING A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO ONE OF THE GUIDELINES IS, UH, A MAXIMUM OF 10 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.

UH, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE.

UH, THERE ARE 31.4 DEVELOPABLE ACRES, SO 314 UNITS.

SO THEY MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, RATHER THAN A MAXIMUM, THERE'S A MINIMUM GUIDELINE.

AND THE MINIMUM GUIDELINE IS 1000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THEIR SCHEDULE PLAN IS ALMOST 800, 1800 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.

UH, I PUT AN ASTERISK NEXT TO THAT BECAUSE THAT IS, OF COURSE, PREDICATED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE, UH, IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED.

UH, AS I SAID, THEY DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION USER.

UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE CONTRACTS OR TENANTS FOR ANY OF THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMERCIAL PIECE.

SO, UH, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, IF, UH, ONLY THE CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION WERE TO BE BUILT AND NONE OF THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL, THEY WOULD BE, UH, WELL UNDER THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IT'D BE CLOSER TO TWO 300, UH, SQUARE FEET PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.

UH, THE ORDINANCE GUIDELINE FOR OPEN SPACE AND A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS 10%.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING, UH, ON THEIR PLAN AND IN THEIR NARRATIVE.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS PROPERTY AS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

UH, THE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ADOPTED A NEW, THE BOARD ADOPTED A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AFTER FIVE YEARS OF WORK LAST NOVEMBER.

AND AS PART OF THE NEW PLAN, UH, THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION THAT WE USED TO HAVE OVER THIS PROPERTY WAS REMOVED, UH, UNDER THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, THERE WAS A MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION OVER THE ENTIRE MARQUEE AREA OF THIS WHOLE INTERCHANGE, WHICH BASICALLY MEANT THAT THIS IS AN AREA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

BUT AS I SAY, THAT, UH, DESIGNATION HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE PLAN, AND SO IT NO LONGER EXISTS.

HOWEVER, THE TEXT OF THE PLAN DOES IDENTIFY THE MARQUEE AREA, UH, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS BEING POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND I'LL JUST, UH, READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PLAN.

IT SAYS, UH, ONE MAJOR FACTOR THAT HAS HINDERED EFFORTS TO ATTRACT RETAIL TENANTS TO THE MARQUEE CENTER IS THE LACK OF RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE WEAK DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THE LOW DENSITY OF POPULATION AROUND THE CENTER SUGGESTS THAT IT IS TIME FOR A NEW VISION FOR THE MARQUEE NORTH POD, UM, A VISION NOT OF A SUBURBAN DIG BOX SHOPPING CENTER, BUT RATHER A MIXED USE VILLAGE, COMBINING APARTMENTS AND OTHER TYPES OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING WITH CONVENIENT SHOPPING AND DINING OPPORTUNITIES IN A COMPACT, WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.

UH, SPECIFIC, IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY THE ABSENCE OF RESTAURANTS AND A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE IS OFTEN CITED AS A MAJOR, MAJOR DRAWBACK OF THE MARQUEE CENTER.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE PLAN SAYS THAT WHILE THE IMMEDIATE FOCUS OF SUCH A MIXED USE STRATEGY FOR THE MARQUEE MUST BE ON THE NORTH BOD, THAT IS THE COMMERCIAL CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 1 99, UH, IT COULD ULTIMATELY BE EXTENDED TO THE 33 ACRE TRIANGULAR AREA, THIS PROPERTY, UH, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF ROUTE 1 99, BETWEEN PENMAN ROAD AND WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.

UH, AND IT FURTHER STATES THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ON THIS PROPERTY ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF A MIXED USE, OVERALL MIXED USE STRATEGY FOR THE NORTH POD.

SO AT THE COMP PLAN REVIEW STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, WE HAD, MR. KING CAN TELL YOU, WE HAD SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION OF THE MARQUEE AREA, SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION OF THE MIXED USE, UH, OVERLAY DESIGNATION, AND VERY SPECIFIC DISCUSSION OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

UM, AND THE BASIC, UH, IDEA BEHIND ELIMINATING THAT MIXED JUICE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WAS A FEELING THAT IT HAS BEEN USED IN THE PAST TO JUSTIFY PROJECTS THAT WERE ONLY RESIDENTIAL.

WHITAKER'S MILL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

UH, IT'S AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL

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DEVELOPMENT, BUT PART OF THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ARGUMENT FOR THAT WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE INTRODUCING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO THIS MIXED USE AREA WITH THE COMMERCIAL BEING THE EXISTING BUSINESSES, UH, IN THE MARQUEE.

AND THAT WAS REALLY, IT'S NOT WHAT THE MIXED USE ORDINANCE WAS INTENDED TO DO.

IT WAS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR A, A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN IT.

SO, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE MIXED USE, UH, DESIGNATION.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN AT THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC FORUMS THAT WE HAD EXPRESSED BY CITIZENS ABOUT MIXED USE.

UH, SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN THAT'S IN THERE TODAY.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE LANGUAGE THAT I READ TO YOU AND THE COMP PLAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT WITHIN CERTAIN ELEMENTS, REALLY ARGUE THE OTHER WAY.

THIS IS A CONDITIONAL REZONING, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, TO GO WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, A SERIES OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, A RIGHT TURN LANE AT THE, UH, MARQUE PARKWAY INTERSECTION.

THAT'S THE ENTRANCE OF THE MARQUEE, A, UH, NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE, UH, AT THE NEW ENTRANCE AT WA ACROSS FROM WATER COUNTRY USAA HUNDRED FOOT TAPERS, UH, ON THOSE TWO ENT AT THOSE TWO ENTRANCES, UH, ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY.

UM, AND THEY, UH, HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A CASH PROFFER TO ADDRESS SCHOOL IMPACTS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL IN A MINUTE.

UH, BUT THEY'VE PROFFERED, UH, CASH PAYMENT OF 1030 $4 AND 69 CENTS PER APARTMENT UNIT, UH, FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION TO ADDRESS SCHOOL CAPACITY NEEDS GENERATED SPECIFICALLY BY THIS PROJECT.

UH, THEY'VE ALSO PROFFERED THAT THE CONVENIENCE STORE SITE WILL BE CLEARED, ROUGH, BRAIDED, AND STABILIZED, AND HAVE WATER AND SEWER EXTENDED TO IT.

UH, IT'S BEFORE THEY GET THEIR LAST CO FOR THE, FOR THE SECOND APARTMENT BUILDING.

SO THEY ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PREPARING THAT, UH, PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE A CONTINGENCY CONTRACT WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE USER THAT'S CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING AND THE DELIVERY OF THIS, UH, PAD SITE.

BUT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.

UH, THEY HAVE ALSO PROFFERED, UH, BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN.

UH, THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN THE PDMU ORDINANCE, UH, UH, DEALING WITH BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN.

AND SO THEY'VE SUBMITTED, UH, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS SIGN GUIDELINES.

THOSE ARE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, UH, PROVIDING FOR ATTRACTIVE FACADES 360 DEGREE ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE CALLS FOR.

AND, UH, THEY ALSO PROVIDED A BUILDING ELEVATION OF THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, BUILDINGS, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND HERE.

UH, AND THIS IS IT ACTUALLY.

SO, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A, AS I SAID, IT'S A FOUR STORY.

UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, UH, ROUGHLY 50 FEET, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, AGAIN, THE P THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS UP TO FOUR FEET, FOUR FEET, FOUR STORIES, UH, FOUR APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

UH, I WOULD NOTE THAT UNDER THE CURRENT EO ZONING, YOU, UH, THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS 75 FEET.

SO, ALTHOUGH THESE MAY SEEM LIKE TALL STRUCTURES, UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT AS TALL AS, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, UH, A LITTLE OVER 50 FEET VERSUS 75 FEET.

OKAY, SO I MENTIONED THE SCHOOL PROFFER.

THIS IS THE SITUATION WITH UPPER COUNTY SCHOOL CAPACITY AND ENROLLMENT.

UH, VERY, VERY GOOD AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

BREWTON HIGH SCHOOL WILL NEVER BE SHORT OF CAPACITY.

UH, LITTLE NOT QUITE AS GOOD, BUT STILL POSITIVE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.

QUEENS LAKE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, DOES HAVE, UH, MORE CAPACITY THAN CURRENT ENROLLMENT.

UH, THERE IS A PROJECT IN THE SCHOOL, CIP, TO ADD SOME CLASSROOMS TO QUEENS LAKE MIDDLE SCHOOL IN ANTICIPATION OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED COMING ONLINE.

UH, WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT'S GOING TO GET WORSE IS THAT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN THE UPPER COUNTY, MAGRUDER AND WALLER MILL.

UH, THIS PROPERTY HAPPENS TO BE IN THE ATTENDANCE ZONE FOR MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS WELL OVER CAPACITY.

UH, WALLER MILL IS A LITTLE BIT UNDER CAPACITY.

UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, ELEMENTARY, UPPER COUNTRY, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AS A, AS A WHOLE.

UH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, UH, CAPACITY, AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AS APPROVED DEVELOPMENT COMES ONLINE.

AND ALTHOUGH THE, UH, ESTIMATED, UH, SCHOOL AND, UH, NUMBER OF SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT,

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UH, IS RELATIVELY LOW.

UH, WE, UH, ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 54, UH, UH, STUDENTS TOTAL 22 AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.

UM, AND THAT'S BASED ON, UH, UH, THREE VERY COMPARABLE WHAT WE FEEL ARE COMPARABLE APARTMENT PROJECTS, LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, IN THE COUNTY, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST 10 YEARS OR SO.

SO, THEY'RE THE, UH, APARTMENTS UP AT ARBORDALE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE BEND, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED BY BONAVENTURE, WHO'S DEVELOPING, WHO PROPOSED TO THE DEVELOP THESE, UH, APARTMENTS.

UH, YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE APARTMENTS UP AT THE RESERVE OFF OF MOTOWN ROAD, AND THEN THE COMMONWEALTH AT YORK DOWN AT COMMONWEALTH GREEN.

UH, SO, UH, THOSE THREE APARTMENTS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES GENERATE FEWER STUDENTS PER, UH, UNIT THAN, UH, OTHER OLDER, YOU KNOW, WALKUP GARDEN TYPE, UH, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE COUNTY.

SO, UH, WE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, UH, TO THE APPLICANT.

UH, AND IN, SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE INCREMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT ON SCHOOL CAPACITY, THEY HAVE VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED THAT 1030 $4 PER UNIT FOR, UH, CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT, UH, MAGRUDER, WHERE THIS, UH, UH, MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY IS ACTUALLY, THE SITE IS MAXED OUT.

IT CANNOT BE EXPANDED.

UH, SO THE SCHOOL DIVISION, SCHOOL BOARD LOOKING AT, UH, OTHER STRATEGIES, UH, SHIFTING THE ATTENDANCE ZONE B BOUNDARIES TO MOVE SOME KIDS UP TO WALLER MILL, UH, ULTIMATELY YOU ARE GONNA NEED MORE CAPACITY SOMEWHERE IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, SYSTEM, WHETHER THAT'S A NEW SCHOOL OR AN ADDITION TO WALLER MILL, WHATEVER.

UH, SO, UH, THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO, UH, TO PROVIDE THE CASH PAYMENT TO ADDRESS.

AGAIN, THIS PROJECT'S INCREMENTAL IMPACT ON UPPER COUNTY, UH, SCHOOL, UH, ENROLLMENT.

UH, OKAY, IT'S TRAFFIC.

THE, UH, PROJECT IS PROJECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 5,800, UH, AVERAGE NEW WEEKDAY TRIPS, UH, ABOUT 400 IN THE A MP COW, UH, A LITTLE UNDER 500 IN THE PMP COW.

IF YOU'RE DRIVEN ON THAT SEGMENT OF ROUTE 1 99, YOU KNOW THAT THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO IS EXTREMELY LOW.

UM, THERE'S LOT OF ROADWAY CAPACITY ON ROUTE ONE NINE, THAT SECTION OF ROUTE 1 9 9.

AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE, UH, THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THE MARQUEE WAS DEVELOP WAS, WAS DESIGNED FOR A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT.

AT, AT ONE POINT, THE MARQUEE WAS APPROVED FOR UP TO 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WAS A LITTLE UNDER 400,000 SQUARE FEET COMMERCIAL SPACE, ROUGHLY A THIRD.

AND THEN YOU FIGURE JC PENNEY CLOSED DICK'S SPORTING GOODS CLOSED.

BEST BUY IS NOT SETTING ANY , UH, CUSTOMER RECORDS, UH, EITHER.

SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF ROADWAY CAPACITY OUT THERE.

UH, BUT EVEN SO, THEY HAVE, HAVE PROFFERED THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT I MENTIONED, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE, UH, INTERSECTIONS AND THE ENTRANCES OPERATE AT ACCEPTIVE ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE.

AND THAT IS THE CASE WITH THOSE PROFIT IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, THE, UH, I KNOW YOU'VE REVIEWED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT YORKTOWN CRESCENT, ANOTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THEY HAD PROPOSED OR REQUESTED DEVIATIONS FROM SOME OF THE MIXED USE STANDARDS.

IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATIONS FROM THOSE STANDARDS, UH, EXCEPT WITH REGARD TO PARKING.

AND THIS IS BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AS AN APARTMENT DEVELOPER.

UM, WHAT OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES IS ONE AND A HALF SPACES PER UNIT, PLUS ONE FOR EVERY THREE UNITS FOR VISITOR APARTMENTS.

SO THAT'S 1.83, UH, SPACES PER UNIT.

UH, BASED ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS BUILT, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT THE PARKING NEED IS MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.

UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 1.02 TO ABOUT 1.22, UH, WELL BELOW 1.833.

AND THEY HAVE ALSO REFERENCED, UH, THE, UH, PARKING GENERATION MANUAL, WHICH IS PRODUCED BY THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.

AND IT'S BASED ON SURVEY DATA TAKEN FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, WHICH SHOWS A TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEX OF THIS TYPE, NEEDING ONLY 1.24, UH, PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.

SO BASED ON THIS, THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO BE ALLOWED TO HAVE JUST 1.5 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.

UH, THE ORDINANCE

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PROVIDES FOR THIS, UH, IF THEY CAN PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION, WHICH THEY PROVIDE, UH, AND THEY ARE ALSO, UH, SHOULD THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THIS, UH, REQUEST, UH, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RESERVE A, UH, UH, AREA AS GREEN SPACE, UH, JUST BASICALLY SET IT ASIDE, UH, FOR FIVE YEARS AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PARKING LOT IN CASE, UH, IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.

SO, UH, THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED THAT ON THEIR SKETCH PLAN.

AND SO THEY MEET, UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.

UH, THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY POTENTIAL ISSUE THERE IS THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, RESERVE PARKING AREA IS KIND OF A DISTANCE, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET, I BELIEVE, FROM THE APARTMENTS.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE A VERY CONVENIENT, UH, FOR PEOPLE LIVING THERE.

BUT AGAIN, BASED ON NATIONAL DATA, THE, THE DEVELOPER'S OWN DATA, UH, I MEAN, ONE AND ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES PER UNIT WE THINK SHOULD BE ENOUGH.

UH, THIS WAS DIFFICULT APPLICATION.

UM, 'CAUSE THERE ARE GOOD ARGUMENTS WE FEEL ON BOTH SIDES.

UH, THE, UH, THE PROJECT DOES MEET THE PDMU RESIDENTIAL GUIDELINES.

UH, THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY, AS I NOTED, REGARDING THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.

HOWEVER, AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET THAT 1000 OR EVEN 1800, UH, SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.

UM, THE PROJECT, UH, WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT.

THERE IS A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS IN YOUR PACKAGE SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND OTHER THAN THAN I, I THINK THEY USE A LITTLE HIGH NUMBER FOR, UM, UH, PERSONAL PROPERTY VEHICLE, UH, TAX.

UH, IT SHOWS CLEARLY THAT, UH, THE PROJECT, EVEN WITHOUT THE COMMERCIAL, WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE NET FISCAL IMPACT.

UH, THE, UH, REAL ISSUE HERE IS, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, WHICH AS I SAY, WE JUST COMPLETED A FEW YEARS, A FEW MONTHS AGO, AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF WORK.

UM, AND THE COMP PLAN KIND OF PROVIDES MIXED GUIDANCE.

IT SAYS ON THE ONE HAND, YES, WE NEED, WE NEED PEOPLE OUT THERE.

WE NEED ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES AND HOPEFULLY GENERATE MORE BUSINESS.

UH, AND IT ALSO SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A FOOD USE.

WE NEED A GAS AID.

WE NEED A CONVENIENCE STORE.

BRING THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE AND HELP TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS AND SPUR DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE, UH, REMAINING OUT PARCEL OR PARCELS IN THE MARQUEE THAT ARE YET TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION CHECKS THAT BOX.

UH, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT DOES TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, THE NEED FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL ON THIS PROPERTY TO BE TIED TO KIND OF A, UH, A REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR THE MARQUEE NORTH POD, UH, WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE CASE HERE.

UH, SO IN THE END, UH, WE FELT THAT THE COMMITMENT TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, IS JUST NOT STRONG ENOUGH FOR US TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, GIVEN THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE PLAN.

UH, SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.

HOWEVER, YOU DO HAVE A RESOLUTION PC 24 DASH TWO, UH, IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, YOU CAN DO SO BY ADOPTING THAT RESOLUTION.

AND THAT SPELLS OUT THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, AND IT INCLUDES THE, THE PARKING WAIVER REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.

UH, SO THE, UH, APPLICANTS AND THEIR TEAM ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.

THE LONGEST PRESENTATION YOU'VE MADE.

I WANTED TO GO OUT WITH A BANG .

THANK, THANK YOU.

I, I APPRECIATE IT, .

UM, I, IT WAS, WAS COMPREHENSIVE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS STAGE.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE.

YES, SIR.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

MR. CROSS, JUST CURIOUS THE, UH, PATH WALKWAYS, I'M JUST KIND OF GOING DOWN.

ANY, ANY POSSIBILITY THEY JUST STOPPED THERE? IS THERE ANY CROSSWALKS GONNA BE PLANNED THERE OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, OTHERWISE DODGE, THEY ACTUALLY SHOWED A SIDEWALK COMING UP TO THAT.

THEY GO ACROSS PENMAN ROAD AND TO GO ACROSS MARQUEES PARKWAY.

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BUT NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CROSSWALKS SHOWN.

UM, AND, UH, UH, NONE PROPOSED TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

AND THE PROBLEM IS, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE'S NO RECEIVING FACILITY, RIGHT? SO YOU PROBABLY REALLY WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS, UH, ROUTE 1, 9 9 IN THAT LOCATION AT, UNTIL WE CAN GET, IT'S A SELF MAKING LITTLE, LITTLE, AT LEAST UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME, SOME PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, UH, OUT THERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

MY BIGGER QUESTION WAS, LEMME SEE IF I RE PDMU, THE COMMERCIAL USES ARE LIMITED TO THE NBLB AND GBS ZONES, I THINK IS WHAT I READ.

AND THE REASON THAT P ME, MY INTEREST WAS WHEN I LOOK AT THOSE ZONES, AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS, UH, TOURIST HOMES ARE ALLOWED IN LB AND GB.

THEY'RE NOT IN EO.

SO, BUT, AND THEY'RE NOT ON THAT LIST OF ABOUT 29 THINGS THAT ARE EXCLUDED, UH, FROM THIS, FROM A, UH, MIXED USE PROJECT.

SO IS THERE ANY, I MEAN, I, I, I DIDN'T GO DOWN THROUGH ALL OF 'EM 'CAUSE MY, I WERE GETTING CROSSED AS IT WAS GOING ACROSS THAT LITTLE TABLE, BUT THERE COULD BE A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS IN THERE THAT WE WOULD LET NEED TO LOOK AT OR WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IF THIS WAS TO GO FORWARD.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, THERE ARE A LIST OF, OF USES THAT ARE PROHIBITED IN ANY PDMU.

AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CONTROL THAT THE COUNTY HAS.

AND, AND THAT WAS WHEN WE FIRST ADOPTED THE MIXED USE ORDINANCE.

WE CAME UP WITH THAT LIST, UH, BECAUSE THOSE WERE USES THAT WE KNEW SPECIFICALLY WE DID NOT WANT, UH, CERTAIN USES, UH, THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN EO, UH, WITH A USE PERMIT.

UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE, WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A USE PERMIT PROCESS.

UH, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THAT LIST OF PROHIBITED USES, IF I READ IT RIGHT, THE TOURIST HOMES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT UNDER, UNDER A-P-D-M-U ZONE.

SEEMS LIKE AN ODD PLACE FOR A TOURIST HOME.

BUT, UH, ME TOO.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I READ, RIGHT? AND SO THERE COULD BE OTHERS.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

AND ALSO ANOTHER, UH, PDM VIEW, I THINK WAS MAINSTAY OVER ON, WAS IT? WELL, MAINSTAY IS PART OF COMMONWEALTH GREEN.

UH, OFF OF COMMONWEALTH DRIVE.

AND SO IT, IT HAD MIXED USE AND I DROVE BY THERE TODAY AND THERE WAS ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THERE, AND IT WAS A NAIL SALON.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMMONWEALTH GREEN IS ACTUALLY, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT HOTEL OKAY.

ON COMMONWEALTH DRIVE EXCEEDS THEIR MINIMUM COMMERCIAL SPACE REQUIREMENT.

SO, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE HOTEL, WHICH IS FAIRLY LARGE FACILITY.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, THE THREE UNITS, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, ONE HAS THE NAIL SALON.

UH, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER UNITS HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN, UH, PURCHASED.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE THIRD ONE.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST OF THREE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY SITE PLAN.

UH, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WITH THE HOTEL, THEY DON'T REALLY NEED THOSE UNITS.

UH, THAT PROPERTY COULD, YOU KNOW, NEVER BE DEVELOPED AND IT WOULD STILL MEET THE, UH, THEIR APPROVAL.

BUT IT, IT DID TAKE A, THIS COMMISSION HAD TO DO SOME, IT CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION A YEAR OR TWO AGO.

IT'S COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR A COUPLE TIMES.

IT WAS REALLY HAVING TO DO WITH THE EXTENSION OF, UH, KEENER OR JEANETTE DRIVE, I FORGET WHICH ONE, THE ROAD EXTENT CONNECTION TO ROUTE 17, UH, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THAT PROJECT.

AND YEARS AFTER VDOT APPROVED IT, THEY SUDDENLY HAD ISSUES WITH IT, AND IT, EVERYBODY AGREED IT WAS EASIER JUST TO ELIMINATE, UH, THAT ROAD CONNECTION TO ROUTE 17.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T REQUESTED TO ANY DEVIATION FROM THE COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL STANDARDS.

UH, AND IN FACT, NELSON'S GRANT, OUR FIRST MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, ALSO EXCEEDS THEIR COMMERCIAL SPACE REQUIREMENT.

YORKTOWN CRESCENT IS A LITTLE BEHIND, BUT WITH THE APPROVAL OF THAT, UH, UH, GROCERY STORE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LAST MONTH, THEY WILL BE, UH, WELL ABOVE WHAT THEIR, WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES.

AND MY LAST QUESTION, COMMENT WAS, ANY PROFFER IS A GOOD PROFFER, AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT WHATSOEVER, BUT HOW MUCH DOES IT ACTUALLY COST THE COUNTY FOR A STUDENT? DO YOU KNOW? WELL, THE PRO, THEY SUBMITTED A PROFFER ANALYSIS, WHICH IT, WHICH BREAKS ALL THAT DOWN.

AND SO THAT'S HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THAT FIGURE.

UH, UH, UH, COST ASSOCIATED WITH ADDING CAPACITY.

UH, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SHARED THAT WITH THE, UH, SCHOOL DIVISION.

UH, THEY, THEY, I, THEY DON'T TAKE A POSITION ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF.

RIGHT.

UH, BUT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE WORDING OF THE PROFFER AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, ANY, ANY ANY MONEY THAT COMES IN FOR SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION, IT'S GOOD.

UH, THEY'RE HAPPY TO HAVE, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO, TO CALCULATE, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTED, UH,

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AND SO THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY RUN THE NUMBERS AND, UH, UH, YEAH, THEY LOOK AT THE SCHOOL BUDGET AND THAT'S HOW THEY ARRIVE AT THAT, AT THAT NUMBER.

THANK YOU, TIM.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT TOO MUCH.

THAT'S MY JOB.

TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL THING.

WE, SO WE'VE GOT, WE'RE 108 DEFICIT AND WE'VE GOT, DID YOU SAY THREE NEW, UM, ALREADY APPROVED PROJECTS THAT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THIS BEFORE THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE THAT ARE GONNA MAKE EXACERBATE THAT SITUATION.

UH, AS THOSE, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, THERE'S A PROJECT CALLED WALLER MILL HEIGHTS OFF OF BYPASS ROAD, WHICH IS UP IN THE WALLER MILL ZONE.

AND THAT'S, UH, 300 AND OVER 300 LOTS, I THINK 320, 330 LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON WALL MILL ELEMENTARY.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT CO COUNTRY CLUB ACRES OFF OF, UH, UH, OFF OF MIRAMAC TRAIL, WHICH IS ADDING ANOTHER 66, UH, LOTS.

AND THAT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW AT LEAST FEEDS INTO MAGRUDER.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SYSTEM-WIDE SITUATION HERE, UH, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGH REZONING AND CAPACITY.

THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

SO, AND, BUT YOU SAID THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CIP NOW TO, FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THEY DO HAVE SOMETHING WAY OUT, UH, TO ADD TO WALLER MILL, BUT NOT NOTHING NEW CON WELL, I MEAN, NOT A RENOVATION, BUT IS THERE A NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT? NO, I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT PROFFERED SCHOOL SITE UP AT THE MARQUEE, BUT EVERY YEAR THAT SEEMS TO BECOME, UH, MORE OF A DISTANT, UH, POSSIBILITY.

'CAUSE UH, IT, INITIALLY IT WAS TOO SMALL AND LATER ON THE DEVELOPER CAME BACK AND ENLARGED IT.

BUT THERE ARE STILL PROBLEMS WITH IT.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COUNTY'S LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT SCHOOL SITE.

MAYBE PARKS AND, UH, PARK FACILITY, UH, RECREATION FACILITY.

'CAUSE WE'VE GOT, ON THE SOUTH POD, WE'VE GOT, UM, THOSE 600 UNITS, WELL, NOT 600 .

THERE'S 183, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, 182 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS, AND ANOTHER 265 APARTMENT UNITS BEING BUILT ON THE MARQUEE SOUTH POD OVER WHERE THE SCHOOL SITE IS.

UH, SO THOSE PEOPLE ARE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GONNA GENERATE SOME DEMAND FOR PARKS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

THIS SCHOOL SITE MIGHT NOT WORK OUT AS A SCHOOL SITE.

THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DIVISION HASN'T GIVEN UP ON IT.

UH, THEY STILL CARRY A LINE ITEM IN THEIR CIP JUST SAYING NEW UPPER COUNTY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, WITHOUT IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIC SITE.

SO THE STATUS OF THAT SCHOOL SITE IS, IS REALLY UNCLEAR, BUT IT COULD BE THAT WE DEC OR THAT THE SCHOOL DIVISION DECIDES THAT THEY NEED ANOTHER SITE FURTHER UP NORTH.

UH, AND THEN THEY WOULD SHIFT THE ATTENDANCE ZONES, YOU KNOW, ACCORDINGLY.

AND IF I REMEMBER THAT NEW SCHOOL IS AROUND $16 MILLION OR SEVERAL, AND THAT WAS A WHILE AGO.

I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT NOW.

UH, YEAH.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX YEARS OUT, IT'S GONNA GO UP.

GREAT.

UH, CAN I MENTION ONE THING THAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IN MY PRESENTATION? HE'S THE CHAIRMAN.

YES, PLEASE.

UM, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF THIS PROPERTY CONDUCTED BACK IN 2015.

UM, AND THE, UH, SURVEY DETERMINED THAT THE SITE IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.

AND, UH, WE RECEIVED, THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS IS WE, WE RECEIVED THESE, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES.

WE SEND THEM TO, UNTIL RECENTLY, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.

UH, THEY REVIEW THEM AND GIVE US THEIR INPUT.

AND SO THE DHR UH, REVIEWED THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY AND THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID THAT THEY AGREE WITH THE ARCHEOLOGIST RECOMMENDATION, THAT IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, AND, UH, THAT NO FURTHER ARCHEOLOGICAL WORK IS WARRANTED.

I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO MENTION THAT AND TAKES LAST TAKES.

THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER IS BONAVENTURE.

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC FORM, UH, WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, TO COME FORWARD, UH, TO REMIND YOU THAT, UH, NAME YOUR, PROVIDE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, UH, AND YOUR LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES FOR ANY REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU HAVE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I'M VERNON GETTY OF 1177 JAMESTOWN ROAD.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING THE LANDOWNER, E-A-H-L-L-C.

UH, A NUMBER OF FOLKS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ARE HERE.

UH, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER IS REKEY OUT OF RICHMOND.

UH, THERE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF BOTH THOSE FIRMS HERE,

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AS WELL AS THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, WITH TIMMINS IN THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WITH RK AND K.

SO WE'RE ALL AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS WHEN THE TIME COMES.

UM, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, AS I MENTIONED, IS REKEY.

THEY'RE BASED IN RICHMOND.

IT'S A HIGHLY RESPECTED, UH, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT FIRM.

THEY'VE DEVELOPED OVER 5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

UH, THEY NOW OWN AND MANAGE A PORTFOLIO OF ASSETS IN VIRGINIA, IN THE MID-ATLANTIC OF 70 PROPERTIES WITH 2.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

AND THEN HERE IN YORK COUNTY, THEY DEVELOPED THE WAWA AND ENE, UH, AT ROUTE 17 AND THEATER ROAD AND THE CVS AT ROUTE 17 AND LAKESIDE DRIVE.

SO THEY KNOW THE COUNTY WELL.

AS I MENTIONED, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS BONAVENTURE, ANOTHER VIRGINIA BASED COMPANY BASED IN ALEXANDRIA.

UH, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED OVER 4,000 APARTMENTS, INCLUDING AT ARBORDALE HERE IN YORK COUNTY, AND AT QUARTER PATH IN WILLIAMSBURG, JUST UP ROUTE 1 99 FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UM, THEY ALSO OWN A NUMBER OF OTHER UNITS IN TIDEWATER, VIRGINIA.

UH, THEY PRODUCE HIGHLY AMENITIZED, VERY NICE LUXURY APARTMENTS.

UM, WE AGREE WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF TIM'S REPORT.

UH, AND LET ME TAKE A SECOND JUST TO THANK TIM FOR NOT ONLY HIS WORK ON THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS HIS LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND I'VE WORKED WITH TIM FOR 35 YEARS AND JUST WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE HIS PROFESSIONALISM.

UM, WE DO RECOGNIZE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID ELIMINATE THE MIXED USE OVERLAY IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY, BUT ALSO IT DOES SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZE THAT MIXED USE COULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE.

UM, I THINK THE REALITY IS PROBABLY COUNTYWIDE, BUT CERTAINLY IN THIS AREA, THERE'S MORE EO ZONE LAND THAT IS NEEDED TO MEET DEMAND IN GENERAL.

UH, AND THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR, UM, LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF THE MARQUEE, UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES THAT A LACK OF RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS IN THIS AREA IS WHAT HINDERS EFFORTS TO ATTRACT RETAIL TO THE MARQUEE.

AND THE PLAN ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT THE LACK OF A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE IS A MAJOR DRAWBACK IN THAT EFFORT.

UH, THIS PROJECT WILL ADDRESS BOTH THOSE NEEDS.

IT BRINGS 314 LUXURY APARTMENTS LOCATED ON THE BACK, 13 ACRES OF THIS 33 ACRE COMMERCIAL SITE, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MARQUEE AND BRINGS A MUCH NEEDED GAS, CONVENIENCE FOOD USE.

AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CORRIDOR SINCE THE MARQUEE WAS BUILT 20 YEARS AGO.

UM, AS TIM HAS GONE THROUGH THIS PROJECT, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PD MU ORDINANCE, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED A PHASING PLAN, UM, PRIOR TO THE ISSUE.

ONCE THE FINAL COS FOR THE APARTMENTS, THE GAS CONVENIENCE SITE MUST BE CLEARED, ROUGH GRADED, STABILIZED, AND WATER SEWER EXTENDED TO THE SITE.

THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER WILL DO THAT WORK AS A PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND SITE PLAN.

THEY WILL ALSO BUILD THE ENTRANCE THAT TIM SHOWED YOU OFF ROUTE 1 99 AND THE ROAD THAT GOES AROUND THE CONVENIENCE SITE BACK TO THE APARTMENTS THAT WILL SERVE BOTH PROJECTS.

THE REALITY IS THE GAS CONVENIENCE USE WOULD NOT OCCUR WITHOUT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT FROM THE APARTMENT PROJECT.

SO THE TWO WERE, ARE VERY MUCH LINKED.

UH, THE OWNER, ITS BROKER AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ACTIVELY MARKETING THE BALANCE OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

UH, THEIR ENTRANCE IN THE COUNTY'S INTEREST IN ATTRACTING QUALITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS TOTALLY ALIGNED THERE.

THE PROJECT, AS TIM MENTIONED, HAS A POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE COUNTY, AND EVEN IF ONLY THE APARTMENTS THAT THE ONLY THING BUILT.

BUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY POSITIVE.

THE NEEDED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN PROFFERED.

THE CASH PROFFER HAS BEEN DISCUSSED TO INCREASE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CAPACITY.

YOU WILL HAVE SEEN IN YOUR PACKAGE.

THE PROJECT IS SUPPORTED BY THE BOND HOLDERS OF THE MARQUEE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHO HAVE A VERY KEEN INTEREST IN THE SUCCESS OF THE MARQUEE.

UH, THIS WELL-DESIGNED PROJECT, WE THINK MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OF BRINGING ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS TO SUPPORT THE MARQUEE COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE BALANCE OF THIS SITE, AND BRING A GAS CONVENIENCE FOOD

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USE TO THE CORRIDOR, WHICH WE THINK WILL BENEFIT, UM, THE MARQUEE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.

NOW, E-A-H-E-A-H-L-L-C, THE OWNER HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY FOR YEARS, AND MIKE GOLDNER WITH EAH WILL ADDRESS YOU BRIEFLY, UH, ABOUT THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH HE HAS UNDERTAKEN IN THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL.

BUT, UM, AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER MIKE'S REMARKS, BUT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD, UH, COMMISSION.

GOODNIGHT, UH, MIKE ULNER, 8 4 8 DEMAN ST.

LOUIS, MISSOURI, 6 3 1 3 2.

UH, HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY, FIRST OFF, AND I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS, , BUT WE'LL, UM, WE'LL BE BRIEF.

UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR SUBMARKET FOR, UH, PREVIOUSLY WITH ANHEUSER-BUSCH.

I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR AB, UH, UH, AND I JOINED ANHEUSER-BUSCH IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT ROLE, UH, RIGHT AFTER THE MARQUEE LAND WAS SOLD.

SO JUST PRIOR TO PREMIER TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THE MARQUEE.

AND SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED, UH, IN, IN KINGS MILL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY 360 ACRES TOTAL THAT ANHEUSER-BUSCH OWNED, INCLUDING, UH, WHITAKER'S MILL, UH, KINGS CREEK, THE MARQUEE, UH, THE 80 ACRES THAT ANHEUSER-BUSCH DONATED AT THE BACK OF WHITAKER'S MILL, UH, THAT WENT ALONG WITH MATT AGERS PIECE.

AND THIS WAS REALLY THE LAST, UH, PIECE OF THE PUZZLE FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY.

UH, AND THIS PARTICULAR SUBMARKET, UH, THE SLIVER OF LAND HAS SOME CHALLENGES BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE.

UH, IT WOULD NEVER SET UP WELL FOR ONE, JUST ONE USER.

UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SET UP FOR MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE USERS.

AND WE'VE HAD THIS ON THE MARKET, ANHEUSER-BUSCH HAD ON THE MARKET BEFORE I WAS EVEN THERE, UH, ON COSTAR LISTED PUBLICLY AND HAS HAD HUNDREDS OF USERS KICK TIRES HERE THAT WERE, UH, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER CLASS C UH, EO TYPE STUFF THAT WASN'T REALLY GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE MARQUEE THAT WAS LOOKING AT THIS SITE.

THE MOST RECENT WAS, UH, RV, UH, AND BOAT STORAGE.

UH, THAT JUST WENT BEFORE THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENT.

AND I, UH, GOT A CALL FROM, UH, YORK COUNTY, EDC AND THE BOND PERSONALLY ASKING WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO TO HELP WITH THE MARQUEE ON OUR PARTICULAR SITE HERE TO HELP SUPPORT THAT.

AND SO WE, UH, THE OWNERSHIP ELECTED TO PULL THE PLUG ON THAT PROJECT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, WHICH I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, AND HAVE ASSEMBLED AN INCREDIBLE TEAM, PROBABLY THE BEST COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS IN VIRGINIA.

AND, UH, MR. GETTY AND, AND, AND WORKING WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THE PLANNING STAFF.

UH, I'VE PROBABLY PERSONALLY HAD ALMOST 20 MEETINGS WITH, UH, RESIDENTS, YORK COUNTY CONSERV BOARD MEMBERS.

I HAVE A MEETING WITH ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER IN THE MORNING, UH, REGARDING THE PARTICULAR SPECIFIC USE OF THE, OF THE CORNER, WHICH I KNOW IS A CONCERN OF EVERYBODY.

UH, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WE ARE COMMITTING TO DO DELIVER THE PAD TO, TO THAT USER.

IT IS A REAL USER.

UH, IT IS A FOOD USER THAT IS, THAT IS HIGH QUALITY.

AND AS VERNON SAID, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE MARQUES WAS DEVELOPED, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE WITHOUT THE APARTMENTS AS AN ANCHOR.

THIS SITE REQUIRES AN ANCHOR OF, OF, OF THAT KIND OF MAGNITUDE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, THE REASON THIS HASN'T EVER BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE PAST IS THERE'S A LARGE RAVINE, UH, THERE'S AN ACCESS ROAD THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN.

IT'S, THOSE TWO ARE AN EXCESSIVE, UH, UH, EIGHT FIGURES.

AND SO WE'RE USING THE, UH, APARTMENTS AS AN ANCHOR.

THERE ARE NO OTHER ANCHORS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING TO THE MARQUEE.

THE ANCHORS THAT WERE THERE HAVE MOVED OUT.

UH, SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS, UH, A MATTER OF OKAY FOR, UH, THIS IS REALLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER USES THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, UH, OUT THERE.

AND, UH, THIS PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY WILL BE DEVELOPED.

UH, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DELIVER THESE TWO USES.

AND WE ARE COMMITTING AND WORKING WITH, WITH REKEY, UH, TO BRING, UH, ADDITIONAL USERS TO THIS SITE AS THEY AS, AS THEY MATERIALIZE.

BUT THIS IS A MUCH, MUCH NEEDED SPARK FOR, UH, THE MARQUEE AND SUPPORT OF THE TARGET, UH, THAT WE ALL HOPE, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NEVER LEAVES THERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS REALLY THE GOAL.

VEHICLES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM, YET YOU ONLY HAVE 471 PARKING SPOTS.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF I CAN, I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE, THE ECONOMICS PART OF IT.

UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCOME SIDE OF THIS, YOU'VE GOT 523

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CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE 50 MORE VEHICLES AND WE GOT PARKING SPACES.

YEAH, THIS IS JP HYLAND WITH BONAVENTURE.

PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND YEAH.

JP HIGHLAND WITH BONAVENTURE 2 0 9 MADISON STREET, ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA.

UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FISCAL IMPACT STATEMENT? YES, YES.

SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE FISCAL IMPACT STATEMENT HANDY.

YOU'RE JUST SAYING IT, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S MORE CARS THAN THE PARKING RATIO THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, CORRECT? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT.

'CAUSE I, I'M NOT, I DIDN'T DO THE STUDY MYSELF, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IT COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CUSTOMERS AT THE, THE GAS CONVENIENCE OF THE, THEY.

I'M NOT SURE.

MR. S DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION? UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, I NOTICED THAT IN REVIEWING THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IN MY PRESENTATION WHEN I SAID, UH, THEY WERE A LITTLE HIGH ON THE, UH, VEHICLE TAX SIDE BECAUSE OF THAT ISSUE, BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING MORE VEHICLES THAN PARKING SPACES.

SO WHEN I ADJUSTED IT, I MEAN, IT WAS STILL POSITIVE.

IT JUST WAS NOT AS POSITIVE.

THEN I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THE, THE STUDENTS IN THE FISCAL STUDY AS WELL.

YOU'RE SHOWING 28 STUDENTS AND THE COST OF 28 STUDENTS, UM, WHERE STAFF IS SHOWING 54 STUDENTS.

UM, IF MY CORRECTION IS RIGHT, SO WE'VE, WE'VE INFLATED THE INCOME NUMBERS AND WE'VE DEFLATED THE, THE EXPENSE NUMBERS.

NO, ACTUALLY THE ONLY PROFFER WE CAN MAKE TO INCREASE CAPACITIES WHERE IT'S NEEDED BASED ON THE STUDENTS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S ONLY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS THAT GENERATE THAT PROFFER.

BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PROFFER, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENSE SIDE IN THE, UM, FISCAL ANALYSIS STATEMENT.

SO THE EXPENSE SIDE SAYS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN EXPENSE OF, UM, ONGOING EXPENSE OF $133,000 PER YEAR FOR SCHOOLS.

UM, BUT THAT ONLY IS, IS 28 STUDENTS.

SO MY, MY CONCERN HERE IS THE, THE INACCURACY OF THE DATA THAT'S IN THIS FISCAL REPORT THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON.

I MEAN, WE, WE RESPONDED TO ALL COMMENTS RELATED TO OUR APPLICATION.

SO I THINK, I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN ACCURATE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THAT, THAT TIM COULD SHED LIGHT ON, BUT I, I'M, I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT JUST ON THE FLY.

UH, UH, MY ONLY COMMENT TO THAT IS, UH, IN THEIR INITIAL SUBMISSION, UH, THEY WERE SHOWING A LOWER PROJECTED NUMBER OF STUDENTS, UH, THAN OUR NUMBERS WERE SHOWING.

AND I THINK THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS BASED ON THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER.

AND SO WHEN WE GAVE THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR NUMBERS, WHAT WE ESTIMATED TO BE, UH, THEY DID ADJUST THE PROFFER ANALYSIS AND THEY INCREASED THE CASH PROFFER.

UH, BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS EVER REVISED TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR THAT, THAT, UH, INCREASE.

AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT I'VE GOT IS THAT IN, IN LOOKING AT SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A HUNDRED TO $130,000 PER STUDENT TO BUILD A SCHOOL.

AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE SCHOOLS GET INTO THE $30 MILLION, UM, RANGE.

AND SO WE'RE GONNA GET A PROFFER OF A THOUSAND DOLLARS AGAINST A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS COST.

UM, AND SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE, SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY FULL, UH, OVER CAPACITY, AND THEN NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD, AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT THE ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT'S COMING ON BOARD THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

AND THIS IS GONNA MAKE THAT EVEN WORSE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMON CONCERN.

APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION.

NO , I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

UH, NOW WE WILL TURN TO, UH, OUR COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS.

AND AGAIN, I REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

UH, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, IF YOU NEED TO ADJUST THAT.

UH, FIRST UP, I HAVE A DON KLEIN COME ON UP, SIR.

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UH, GOOD EVENING.

I LIVE, UH, MY NAME'S DON KLEIN.

I RESIDE IN DISTRICT 1 1 17 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE WILLIAMSBURG.

UH, I LIVE IN THE WHITAKER MILL COMMUNITY OFF PENMAN ROAD.

UH, IN FACT, MY REAR YARD BACKS UP TO PENMAN ROAD.

IF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROCEEDS, I'D HAVE AN UPFRONT AND PERSONAL VIEW OF FOUR STORY, A FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT UP MY BACK WINDOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 700 PLUS TENANTS, 500 PLUS VEHICLES, A SERVICE STATION OUTLET THAT'S GONNA BRING IN HUNDREDS OF MORE CARS PER DAY BETWEEN LOCAL TRAFFIC AND I 64.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING IN.

I ANTICIPATE A HIGH NOISE LEVEL INCREASE.

I ANTICIPATE BRIGHT LIGHT DISTURBANCES AT NIGHT.

I ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS OUR ROADS ARE ALREADY AT CAPACITY AROUND THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

I SKIMMED OVER THE, UH, LENGTHY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, I KNOW WHAT I SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS OUT THERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR INTERSECTION THAT'S BAD.

WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.

THERE'S AN INTERSECTION OF WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY AND ROUTE.

ROUTE 1 99 HAS NO LEFT TURN.

I REPEAT NO LEFT TURN.

DRIVERS COME TO THAT INTERSECTION.

THEY SEE THE MARQUE JUST ACROSS 1 99.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY DO? TURN, TURN LEFT.

THEY JUMPED THE CURB ACROSS ONCOMING TRAFFIC FROM 1 99 TO GET WHERE THEY WANT TO GO, WHICH WAS THE MARQUEE ENTRANCE.

THE ROADS IN THE AREA ARE NARROW.

THEY HAVE MANY BLIND CURVES AND CAN BE CONFUSING.

AND AS MOST OF US KNOW HERE, STRESS DRIVERS MAKE BAD DECISIONS.

ADDING THOUSANDS OF TRANSITING VEHICLES PER DAY WILL MAKE FOR HAZARDOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS IN THE AREA.

I SAW NOTHING IN THE APPLICATION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND SINGLE WORD.

IT IS SIGNIFICANT DESPITE WHAT I HEARD EARLIER.

A RIGOROUS COMPREHENSIVE ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE FIRST SHOVEL IS TURNED.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY REPUTABLE QUALIFIED ARCHEOLOGICAL FIRM OR RECOMMEND DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT OF A HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION PLAN AND PRESERVATION OF SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS SUCH AS STRUCTURAL FOUNDATIONS.

'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE THERE AND ARTIFACTS THAT ARE FOUND.

I SAW NOTHING ABOUT, UH, CONSULTING WITH THE MILITARY.

THIS PROPERTY'S ON A LOW ALTITUDE FLIGHT PATH FOR MILITARY AIRCRAFT.

AND I'LL ADD THAT IT'S FREQUENT FLYING FLIES OVER EVERY DAY.

MILITARY MAY HAVE A NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THESE TALL BUILDINGS.

ALSO, DID THE NAVY APPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY OVER THEIR RAILROAD TRACKS? THANK YOU, MR. KLEIN.

IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP PLEASE.

ONE LAST THING.

ONE OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE FEATURES ABOUT LIVING IN YORK COUNTY IS NOT LIKE NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WHERE HIGH DENSITY TALL, UH, FAMILY UNITS ABOUND.

THESE, UH, BUILDINGS ARE STARTING TO DOT OUR AREA LANDSCAPE.

IN OUR COMMUNITY AND KINGS CREEK? UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LIKE THE GREEN SPACE BEHIND US.

I OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION.

UH, NEXT UP I HAVE DEAN RICH.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME'S DEAN RICH.

I AM ONE 13 CLAIMANT MILL TRACE AND I 2:00 AM RIGHT UP BACK ON PENMAN ROAD AND BY DEFAULT ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND I TOO HAVE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, UH, ESPECIALLY ON WATER COUNTRY PARKWAY, WHERE THEY'VE GOT TWO ENTRANCES FOR THE APARTMENTS AND FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED GAS STATION.

THAT'S A BLIND CURVE AND, UH, IT'S A NARROW ROAD.

I DON'T THINK THE INFLUX OF TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT THERE WOULD BE A SAFE THING.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND IT, UH, WHERE WE LIVE.

AND, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC MAY BE SET UP VERY WELL ON 1 99 FOR THE MARQUEE PARKWAY, BUT FOR THE PENMAN ROAD AND, AND OUR TRAFFIC THERE ON WATER COUNTRY, NOT SO MUCH.

THE NAVY LIGHTING RESTRICTIONS HAVE PRESERVED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S AMBIENCE.

BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION WITH FOUR STORY APARTMENTS PLANNED DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HOME.

I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE INTRUSIVE LIGHTING, OVERSHADOWING THE NATURAL BEAUTY THAT'S ATTRACTED ME TO THIS LOCATION.

HOW WILL THE DEVELOPMENT ADHERE TO THE NAVY'S LIGHTING STANDARDS TO PREVENT A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR AREA, SIMILAR TO THE LOW LIGHTING

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I SEE FOXES, I SEE DEER, AND UH, THAT THAT'LL ALL GO AWAY.

AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE CONSEQUENCES REGARDING WATER DISPLACEMENT AND RUNOFF.

THE EXTENSIVE USE OF CEMENT AND BLACKTOP RAISES CRITICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT RAINWATER MANAGEMENT.

WHERE WILL THE RAINWATER GO? I KNOW MY BACKYARD'S.

A SMALL CREEK DURING HEAVY RAINS AND OUR POND FIELDS TO THE DRAINAGE GRATE.

WILL THE WATER FROM THE DEVELOPMENT BE DIVERTED INTO OUR ALREADY CAPACITY WITH THEIR RUNOFF? UH, WHILE I AM IN OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE DUE TO THESE ISSUES, SHOULD IT PROCEED? A RECONSIDERATION OF THE SITE PLAN IS NECESSARY, RELOCATE THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT TO THE PROPOSED BUSINESS SITE COULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE LIGHT POLLUTION.

I STAND FIRMLY OPPOSED TO THE PROP PROPOSED ZONING.

UH, IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE WHAT APPEARS TO BE PRIORITIZED OF QUICK FINANCIAL GAIN OVER LONG-TERM QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SUCH DEVELOPMENT NOT ONLY THREATENS THE BEAUTY AND COERCION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO COM COMPROMISES THE PRIVACY.

WE CHERISH THE PROSPECT OF A FOUR STORY BUILDING TOWERING OVER OUR HOMES.

INVADING OUR PRIVATE SPACE IS IN A IS UNACCEPTABLE.

WE DESERVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT FOSTERS A HARMONIOUS AND AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING ENVIRONMENT, RESPECTING THE NEEDS OF PRIVACY OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS.

UH, NEXT UP HAVE WILLIAM MILLER.

MR. MILLER, I'M BILL MILLER, RESIDING AT 1 0 8 DAVID'S WAY IN YORK COUNTY.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE PROPOSED MARQUEE CROSSING PROJECT AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WILLIAMSBURG CIVIL WAR ROUNDTABLE.

I ALSO SPEAK FOR THE VIEWS OF OVER 100 MEMBERS OF OUR ORGANIZATION.

I'VE REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED BY THE PROJECT DEVELOPERS AND NOTE ONE SIGNIFICANT O MISSION, WHICH MUST BE ADDRESSED.

THERE'S NO REFERENCE WHATSOEVER TO ANY HISTORIC INVESTIGATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPER'S DOCUMENTS.

I CHALLENGED THAT O OMISSION, WHICH MUST BE A, AS A GROUNDS FOR REJECTION OF THE APPLICATION.

THIS PROPERTY HAS KEY HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE BATTLE OF WILLIAMSBURG.

FOUGHT ON MAY 5TH, 1862.

THE PROPERTY SERVED AS THE COMMAND HEADQUARTERS OF THE UNION.

ARMY TROOPS ENGAGED IN THE BATTLE.

ENSLAVED AFRICAN AMERICANS CAME TO THIS HEADQUARTERS TO OFFER INTELLIGENCE ABOUT CONFEDERATE TRUTH POSITIONS AND DEFENSIVE EARTHWORKS.

THE GUIDANCE OF THE SLAVES ENABLED THE UNION FORCES TO ACHIEVE A PROCLAIMED VICTORY.

THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE SLAVES SERVED AS A FITTING TRIBUTE TO ENHANCE THEIR QUEST FOR FREEDOM, THE BALANCE OF WHICH WAS CONTINGENT UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE CIVIL WAR.

IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT SEVERAL OF THESE AFRICAN-AMERICAN GUIDES MAY HAVE RESIDED ON THE VERY PROPERTY.

SEVERAL NOTED HISTORIANS HAVE COMPLAINED, PROCLAIMED THAT THIS INCIDENT TO BE THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE POPULAR EMANCIPATION MOVEMENT WITHIN THE UNION ARMY.

AND THAT IGNITED A NATIONWIDE MOVEMENT THAT LED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WITHOUT THE PROPER ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEYS TO IDENTIFY AND PRESERVE THE ARTIFACTS, THIS PROJECT STANDS TO DESTROY A CRITICAL AFRICAN AMERICAN STORY.

IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE BATTLE CASUALTIES WERE INITIALLY BROUGHT TO THIS PROPERTY, THE BARNS AND OUTBUILDINGS THAT DOTTED THE FARMLAND WERE UTILIZED AS HOSPITALS.

MANY SOLDIERS RECOVERED, SOME DID NOT.

BURIALS WERE HASTY, AND SOME OF THE GRAVES WERE FORGOTTEN.

AS THE ARMIES MOVED ON, THE PROSPECT OF BURIED REMAINS BEGS THE PRESERVATION OF THE PROPERTY AS HALLOWED GROUND.

THIS PROPERTY UNIQUELY SERVES AS OUR LOCAL CONNECTION TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.

A STORY THAT MUST BE TOLD, DO NOT ALLOW OUR HISTORY TO BE OBLITERATED AND LOST BENEATH TOWNHOMES, A GAS STATION AND A CONVENIENCE STORE.

I URGE YOU TO REJECT THE MARQUE CROSSING APPLICATION.

UH, MARTIN BANK.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

HAVE YOU PASSED AROUND THAT ARTICLE? YES.

GOOD

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EVENING.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS MARTIN BANK.

I LIVE AT 1 29 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE.

AND OUR, MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH PROUD RESIDENTS OF YORK COUNTY.

UH, IF YOU WOULD, UH, WE KINDA LOOK AT THAT NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE DAILY PRESS THIS PAST MONDAY.

IT TALKS ABOUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE OPPOSITE END OF PENMAN ROAD WHERE THEY ASKED FOR THE SAME SITUATION AS THIS IS BEING ASKED TONIGHT.

AND THE WILLIAMSBURG CITY COUNCIL DENIED IT BASED ON MANY OF THE SAME THINGS THE PREVIOUS SPOKES TALKED ABOUT, PREVIOUS PEOPLE SPOKE ABOUT.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK, I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH THE TRAFFIC ON PENMAN ROAD AND WATER COUNTRY.

AND ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THOSE TWO ROADS ARE NOT BUILT FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, 18 WHEELERS COME THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS EVERY DAY ONTO WATER COUNTRY TO GET ON 64.

THEY COME OUT OF THE, UH, BUSH, UH, INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE.

AND THAT ROAD HAS ALREADY BEEN REPAIRED SEVERAL TIMES AND IT'S STARTING TO CRACK UNDER ALL THE WAY TO THE CARS.

IT'S A VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED AREA.

AND TWO ENTRANCES FROM THIS SUBDIVISION OR DEVELOPMENT ONTO THAT ROAD IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HELP ANYTHING.

GOING BACK TO THE WILL TO THE WILLIAMSBURG CITY ARTICLE THAT I PROVIDED EVERYBODY, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY DID THE RIGHT THING IN DENYING THAT APPLICATION FOR A CHANGE.

UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

'CAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE ALREADY SPOKE TO MOST OF THE OTHER ISSUES.

DISAPPROVE EVERYTHING EVERYONE'S ALREADY SAID.

UH, ROBIN CUSTER? YES.

HI, ROBIN CUSTER, 2 0 5 LIMB FOOT COURT UP THERE, WILLIAMSBURG OFF OF PENMAN.

I AM SLIGHTLY FURTHER DOWN ON PENMAN AND I HAVE BEEN UP THERE FOR 12 AND A HALF YEARS, SO I'M WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T NEEDED OR WANTED UP THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY WITH MARQUEE BEING COMPLETELY A FAILURE, A BIG MONSTROSITY SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WE NOW HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST DICK'S SPORTING GOOD SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR WHAT PEOPLE WANT UP THERE FOR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACE.

AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT MORE NAIL SHOPS OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE'VE, IF YOU LOOK AROUND AND WE TAKE A LOOK AT MIXED USE COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THIS AREA, AND WE GO BACK TO NEWPORT NEWS IN PORT WARWICK WHEN I LIVED THERE, THAT'S BEEN A FAILURE WITH ALL THESE COMMERCIAL SPACES.

AND LET'S TAKE MIDTOWN ROW, THAT'S THE NEW WILLIAMSBURG PLACE THAT HAS NOW JUST BECOME A DORMITORY FOR WILLIAM AND MARY AND A LOT OF STILL EMPTY RETAIL SPACES BELOW.

AND NOBODY IN THE LYING AROUND AREA GOES TO THESE LITTLE BOUTIQUES OR WHATEVER.

LITTLE SHOP MIGHT COME UP FOR A, A MONTH OR TWO AND THEN WRAP UP AND LEAVE.

I LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN EXPLOSION OF RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA SINCE I'VE BEEN UP THERE FOR 12 AND A HALF YEARS.

MARQUE ALONE IS A NIGHTMARE.

AND THAT STILL, WE LOST DICK'S SPORTING GOODS WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE UP THERE.

SO IF PEOPLE AREN'T SHOPPING THERE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHOP AT THESE LITTLE WHATEVER MIGHT POP UP.

AND ON THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MAGRUDER, MY DAUGHTER IS NOW 15.

THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHEN SHE FIRST STARTED THERE.

THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE STARTED THAT WHILE SHE WAS STILL IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SHE'S 15.

SHE MIGHT BE MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS BEFORE THEY EVEN BUILD ONE.

SO THIS WHOLE 313, AND THEY HAVEN'T EVEN FILLED THE MONSTROSITY OF THE FOUR APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT JUST GOT BUILT IN BEHIND MARQUEE.

WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT SHOWS BY JUST BEING UP THERE THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT THIS.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T SHOP THERE.

I'M SURPRISED.

TARGET BEST BUYING KOHLS ARE STILL HOLDING ON.

IF YOU WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE MARQUES.

IF NOT, KNOCK IT DOWN AND LET NATURE HAVE IT BACK BECAUSE IT'S TERRIBLE.

PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE ANOTHER USELESS OVERDEVELOPMENT, MULTI MIXED USE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE NOT WORKING IN THIS WHOLE ENTIRE AREA.

AND ALSO PATRICK HENRY PLACE WAS

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ANOTHER ONE.

IT WAS OVER THERE BY DOWN THERE, BUT WHEN YOU EXIT JEFFERSON AVENUE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS 20 YEARS AGO THAT THEY STARTED, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ANOTHER ONE AND IT DIDN'T TURN OUT WHAT THEY WANTED.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, CHRIS JORDAN, TWO 17 CLEMENTS MILL TRACE, JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, PROPOSAL, WHICH I'D, UH, BASICALLY REC RECOMMENDED TO YOU.

I'VE CHECKED OFF MY LIST, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO ADD AT THIS POINT OTHER THAN, UM, ECHOING WHAT THEY'VE SAID.

UM, IF THE IDEA BEHIND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TO ATTRACT NEW SHOPPERS FOR MARQUES CENTER, WE'VE GOT CLEMENTS OR WHITAKER'S MILL.

IT'S BEEN BUILT.

UH, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, 418 EMPTY APARTMENTS.

IF THOSE DON'T HELP OUT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL.

RATHER, I THINK IT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE, THE AMBIANCE OF THE AREA.

MY WIFE AND I MOVED, UH, HERE FIVE YEARS AGO FROM NEWPORT NEWS BECAUSE OF OVERCROWDING, BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, BECAUSE OF NOISE.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE, SEE US GOING BACK TO THAT IN YORK COUNTY.

HI, UM, ANN GREGORIAN.

I LIVE AT 1 1 7, UH, BALDER PLACE IN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY AS FAR AS THE SCHOOLS GO, I JUST, I JUST CAME FROM THE SCHOOL WORK SESSION WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, UM, THE MOVING OF THE CHILDREN AND THE LINES FOR THE SCHOOLS.

AND IT BECAME REALLY OBVIOUS, UH, WHEN I ASKED THE SCHOOL BOARD, DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER EVER COME TO YOU WHEN THEY HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS? AND THEY SAID, NO, THEY MAY COME TO THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT THEY NEVER COME BEFORE.

IT APPEARS THE ACTUAL SCHOOL BOARD WHO'S TASKED, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT, UH, THAT VOTED FOR THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE COST OF THE SCHOOL, YOU HAVE ALREADY A TEACHER DEFICIT.

UM, AND THIS, UH, AND, AND EVERYWHERE IT'S HARD TO GET TEACHERS.

UH, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND, AND RETENTION BONUSES.

BUSING IS AN ISSUE.

HAVING TO REDO THE ROUTES, UM, THE, UM, THE CHILDREN AND THE DISRUPT DISRUPTION OF MOVING THE LINES.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED.

AND I GUESS I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID HERE ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE APARTMENTS AND THE MULTI-USE, UH, USE HOUSING.

BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGE IN DEALING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARDS.

BECAUSE WHILE YOU MAY TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ON PAPER, UH, SPACE AT A SCHOOL SUCH AS, AS DARE ELEMENTARY NEAR ME, UM, THAT SCHOOL'S ONLY 70%, BUT WE CAN'T EXPAND PARKING.

WE CAN'T GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF WHAT THE SCHOOL CAN DO BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT THE TRAFFIC, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT THE BUSES.

SO ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE ONE THING.

UM, BUT I THINK IF THEY ACTUALLY CAME AND SPOKE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND ALLOWED THE SCHOOL BOARD, NOT THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD, UM, TO MAKE, UH, SOME, SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THESE PLANS MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL.

UM, WE ALL MOVED HERE FOR THE SCHOOLS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

SO THAT'S MY PRIMARY CONCERN.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

RIGHT NOW, LIKE AT THIS MOMENT, WITHOUT ADDING THIS, WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP, WHILE THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE GONNA TRANSLATE INTO MIDDLE SCHOOLS, THAT'S GONNA TRANSLATE OVER INTO HIGH SCHOOLS.

GET MY NOTES TOGETHER HERE.

UH, OKAY, I GUESS WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OUR, DO YOU WANNA ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO HASN'T SIGNED UP WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE GOING FORWARD AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

THANK YOU, MR. CROSS.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

EXCUSE ME, I APOLOGIZE.

MY NAME IS CHARLOTTE OLIVER.

I LIVE AT 400 GALS MILL ARCH IN THE WHITAKER MILL COMMUNITY.

UM, MY HUSBAND AND I RELOCATED HERE FROM NEW JERSEY TO, UH, WITH THE AIR FORCE IN ORDER TO WORK AT LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE.

AND THE FIRST THING WE DID WHEN WE WERE LOOKING IN THIS AREA WAS AT THE SCHOOLS.

AND YORK COUNTY IS KNOWN FOR THEIR SCHOOLS.

SO WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT GO TO MCGRUDER ELEMENTARY.

AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW BAD IT IS, THE ENTIRE FOURTH GRADE CLASS CANNOT FIT INSIDE THE SCHOOL.

THERE ARE TRAILERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL THAT THE FOURTH GRADE CLASS HAS TO GO INTO.

SO IT'S, IT'S BEYOND NOT JUST LIKE AT CAPACITY, LIKE THEY CANNOT FIT THE CHILDREN THAT ARE IN THE SCHOOLS CURRENTLY.

AND IT CAN BE ARGUED THAT WHEN YOU OVERCROWD YOUR SCHOOLS, YOU'RE GONNA BRING DOWN THE, THE QUALITY OF THE EDUCATION.

AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE AFFECTING ALL OF YORK COUNTY'S EDUCATION.

BECAUSE WHEN ONE SCHOOL GOES DOWN, ANOTHER SCHOOL GOES DOWN.

AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, THE SLIDES FOR, OKAY, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE OVERRUN

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SO IF IT'S ALREADY A PROBLEM NOW, WHY ARE WE ADDING ADDITIONAL ISSUES TO THAT CURRENT PROBLEM? UM, AND I'M SORRY, I TOOK NOTES WHILE I WAS HERE.

UM, SO THE, UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN HERE SPOKE ON HOW IT COSTS ABOUT OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER CHILD IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY A COMMUNITY COMING IN THAT'S ONLY OFFERING A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER UNIT? THAT'S ALMOST INSULTING TO, TO, TO OUR CHILDREN, TO OUR ATMOSPHERE.

AND WITH RESPECT TO ALEXANDRIA.

'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE THIS, THESE COMPANIES COME FROM.

THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CULTURE AND THE, THE FEEL OF WHAT NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS AND WHAT SOUTHERN VIRGINIA IS.

AND I'M FROM MARYLAND, WHATEVER THEIR CULTURE IS.

I DIDN'T WANT IT WHEN I WAS IN MARYLAND, AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT IT IN SOUTHERN VIRGINIA.

LIKE WE MOVED HERE FOR THE HISTORIC VALUE.

DAWN HAS GIVEN TOURS BEHIND MY HOUSE, AND IT IS NOT LOST ON ME THAT AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN, MY HUSBAND AND I, BOTH AFRICAN AMERICAN, I LIVE IN A HOME WHERE THERE WERE SLAVES THAT HELPED THE CONFEDERACY THAT LED TO MY MY PEOPLE BEING FREE.

RIGHT? AND NOW WE WANNA DESTROY THAT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROFIT.

WE WANNA DESTROY OUR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROFIT.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, OH, YOU'RE GONNA BRING ALL THESE CARS, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA GET TAXES, BUT GUESS WHAT? IT'S GONNA TEAR UP THE ROADS.

THE ROADS ARE ALREADY TERRIBLE.

SO IS THE, IS THE, IS THE PROFIT FOR THE COUNTY REALLY BALANCING OUT OR IS IT BALANCING OUT FOR THE COMPANIES? THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE CAN, SIR RICHARD HOWELL, 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE.

AND, UH, I'LL KEEP THIS VERY, VERY SHORT.

THE ONE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, HAD TO DO WITH VEHICLES AND PARKING.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE REVENUE SIDE, BUT, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT ON THE SIDE.

THAT WAS A CONCERN TO BEGIN WITH.

AND THAT IS PARKING IN THESE VERY TIGHT COMMUNITIES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE'VE SEEN IN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES, WHITAKER'S TRACE BEING ONE OF 'EM, IS PARKING.

UH, WE HAD A, UM, UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST MONTH THAT HAD A MAJOR PARKING CONCERN.

WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LUXURY APARTMENTS USUALLY AFFORDED BY TWO INCOME FAMILIES, MEANING TWO PEOPLE DRIVING.

THIS IS NOT URBAN AMERICA.

THIS IS RURAL AMERICA.

TO GO TO YOUR JOB, MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET THERE, REQUIRES A CAR BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUS SYSTEMS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA GET YOU THERE.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY ABOUT THAT NUMBER.

UM, TWO CAR FAMILIES ARE THE NORM OR MORE IN MANY CASES.

AND HAVING ROOM FOR VISITORS FAMILY TO COME SOMEPLACE REASONABLE THAT THEY CAN PARK AT AND GET TO THE PLACE, GET TO YOUR HOME IS IMPORTANT.

SO I WOULD NOT GIVE UP ON THAT REQUIREMENT.

UM, REALIZING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR STUDIES, BUT, UM, I ALSO REALIZE THEY'RE FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WHICH IS AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD REJECT THAT NUMBER AND STICK MORE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY SAYS WE OUGHT TO HAVE OR HIGHER.

EQUATE TO A MIXED USE PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? HAVING HEARD NONE, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN A DISCUSSION FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS.

UM, START TO MY LEFT.

I DIDN'T EXPECT GET A HISTORY LESSON TONIGHT, BUT, UH, IT WAS GOOD.

I APPRECIATE THE, UH, APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I, I SEE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THIS.

UH, BASICALLY REVOLVING AROUND THE SCHOOLS, UH, IS THE, IS THE MAIN ONE.

AND, UM, I, I HAVE CONCERNS.

AS EVERYONE KNOWS, KNOWS I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE AND DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS, THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE WAS VERY SKEPTICAL OF MIXED USE PROPOSALS THAT WERE NOT COMPREHENSIVE AND, AND STOOD ALONE ON OUR OWN MERITS, INCLUDING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THERE'S A LACK OF CERTAINTY ABOUT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

ALL WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS A GAS STATION, RIGHT? AND A CONVENIENCE STORE IN MY MIND AND WHAT THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED, THAT DOESN'T

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UM, SO I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS APPLICATION'S READY FOR PRIME TIME.

I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS BEYOND THE SCHOOL.

FROM WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, RESEARCH, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS IN FRONT OF ME THAT IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY OR NOT, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE VETTED.

UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS FOR ME HERE AND, UH, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MICROPHONE.

I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID.

I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID, BUT IT REALLY AMAZES ME THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, WE IMMEDIATELY WENT FROM A 1.83 REQUEST TO A 1.5, EXCUSE ME, A 1.83 RECOMMENDED TO A 1.5 REQUEST.

JUST LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT BEING OVERCROWDED AND NOW WE'RE DON'T EVEN HAVE SPACE FOR PARKING.

UM, SO I CAN YES, I ASK THE QUESTION.

SO, LIKE I SAID, I'VE CONCUR WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD OVER HERE AND, UM, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME COMING RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE.

WHILE THE PROPOSAL LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER AND EVERYTHING, I DO SHARE A LOT OF THE CITIZEN'S, UH, CONCERNS.

UH, TO ME, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SET UP AND, AND TO RUN.

I'M NOT SURE WE'VE GOT ONE RIGHT YET, .

AND WHEN I LOOK AT BROADER AROUND THE NATION, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST PURELY REJECTED THEM FROM WHAT I, WHAT I RESEARCHED.

UH, SO GIVEN THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EO DESIGNATION, THAT WAS JUST TWO MONTHS AGO, OVER THREE MONTHS AGO, THAT WAS APPROVED, EVEN THOUGH IT COULD BE AN OVERLAY WITH THIS, THE ERRORS IN THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT AND THE PROBLEMS WITH MU IN GENERAL, AND THE IMPACT ON SCHOOL AND IMPACT ON ROADS, WHICH REALLY HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, SATIS TO MY SATISFACTION.

ANYWAY.

UH, I, I DON'T LIKE THIS PROPOSAL.

THAT'S IT.

SO, I'M, I'M OF A SIMILAR VIEW.

I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCHOOLS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE COSTS THAT WE'RE NOT INCLUDING IN THESE PROPOSALS BECAUSE TO BUILD A SCHOOL IS VERY EXPENSIVE AS WELL KNOW.

AND SO WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN TO THE COST PER PUPIL, IT'S, IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.

UM, ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S, THAT'S HERE.

WHITAKER'S MILL HAS A HUGE PARKING ISSUE.

THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T USE THE SIDEWALKS IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE CARS PARKED, UM, IN THE, IN THE DRIVEWAYS TRYING TO STAY OFF THE ROAD.

'CAUSE THERE'S NOT STREET PARKING, UM, IN THERE.

SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PARKING ISSUE HERE, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SCHOOLS ISSUE.

AND I, I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS THINGS.

I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD.