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GET SOMETHING.MY BLUETOOTH, WHATEVER ALL FOLKS LIKE TO CALL, UM,
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THE FEBRUARY 6TH MEETING, UH, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS TO ORDER PLEASE.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORUM.
UH, SO WELCOME EVERYBODY THIS EVENING.
UM, THIS IS OUR, OUR WORK SESSION.
UM, HERE'S SOME FEEDBACK, BUT IT WAS JUST ME.
UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, TONIGHT IS OUR WORK SESSION.
[1* VDOT Quarterly Update. Receive update from Rossie Carroll, Residency Administrator. ]
WE HAVE A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT AND THE FIRST PRESENTATION LIKE TO CALL UP MR. ROSS CARROLL WITH, UH, VDOT TO, UH, GIVE US THIS QUARTERLY UPDATE.THANKS FOR BEING HERE, FOR HAVING ME.
SO, UH, HAD A PRETTY BUSY QUARTER.
UM, WE HAD 439 MAINTENANCE WORK ORDERS COME INTO OUR SYSTEM.
UH, OUT OF THOSE WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE OR CLOSE OUT, 346 OF THOSE, UH, NINE THREE, STILL OUTSTANDING FROM THE QUARTER.
UM, 79% COMPLETION RATE FROM EVERYTHING IN.
SO A LOT OF THESE ARE TRAFFIC RELATED, SO STUDIES ARE INVOLVED, STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
SO IT DOES TAKE LONGER THAN THE TWO OR THREE MONTHS.
AND THEN THERE'S DITCHING CONCERNS WAS THE OTHER BIG ONE, UH, DRAINAGE CONCERNS.
AND THAT TAKES A WHILE TO, UH, TO SCHEDULE DEPEND UPON WHETHER IT'S PIPE WORK OR, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE DITCH BLOCKS.
UH, A FEW, UH, RECENT HIGHLIGHTS.
WE CLEANED UP TREE TREE DEBRIS FROM THE RECENT STORMS, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTY.
WE DID, UH, A LOT OF DITCHING OVER IN SHIP POINT AND ANCHOR ROAD, UM, DITCH ROAD AND PIONEER ROAD.
UH, WE DID SOME SWEEPING, UM, OUT ON, UH, 17 AND, UH, DID SOME COUNTYWIDE POTHOLE PATCHING, UH, PLANNED MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE THE ROUTE 1 34, UH, 17 SOUTH SHOULDER PAVED DITCH AND SLOPE REPAIR.
UH, PLANNED, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE THIS, UH, PROJECT NOW WITH, UH, THE 1 34 RIDGE REHAB PROJECT THAT I'LL HIT ON IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BOTH OF THEM REQUIRE CLOSING THE RAMP.
UM, SO, UH, IF WE CAN COORDINATE THE TWO PROJECTS, IT'LL BE LESS IMPACT ON THE, UH, TRAVELING PUBLIC.
UH, WE DO HAVE THE LAKELAND, UH, CRESCENT OVERFLOW, UH, BLIND.
THOSE EXISTING PIPES, PIPES THAT ARE IN THE, UH, ROADWAY.
UH, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THOSE SLIP LINE? 'EM REALLY? MM-HMM,
THE, THE PORTIONS THAT ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SOME, THOSE PIPES ARE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE FAIRLY BIG, BUT THEY, THEY ACTUALLY GO PAST OUR RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
SO WE'RE GONNA SLIP LINE THE PIPES, WHAT'S THAT MEAN? SO WE SEAL 'EM FROM THE INSIDE.
WE PUT A, UH, UH, A LINER INSIDE.
AND IT SEALS ANY CRACKS OR ANY, UH, JOINTS THAT MAY HAVE SEPARATED.
UM, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BECOME OFFLINE YET.
SO YOU CAN DO THAT TO LINE BY.
SUPPOSEDLY THEY WERE SLIP LINED ALREADY? UH, NO, THEY WERE NOT SLIP LINED.
THEY'RE, UH, AND ACTUALLY THE COUNTY DID SOME WORK ON THE HEAD WALL THERE.
UM, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT WAS FINISHED LAST YEAR, I THINK.
SO, UH, CRAWFORD ROAD, UH, CROSS PIPE REPLACEMENT.
WE HAVE THAT PROJECT COMING UP.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO START THIS WEEK, BUT WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR OUR DETOUR SIGNS TO, UH, ARRIVE.
UM, AS SOON AS THEY COME IN, WE WERE PLACING, UH, THREE CROSS DRAINS ON, ON CRAWFORD ROAD.
AND THEN, UH, BRIDGE ABUTMENT AND EROSION REPAIR, UH, RIGHT HERE AT THE COLEMAN BRIDGE AT WATER STREET.
UH, THAT'S GONNA START WORK, UM, WITHIN THE NEXT, ABOUT MID-FEBRUARY, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, ABUTMENT ON YORK COUNTY SIDE HAS A, A BIG EROSION DOWN.
IT IS HARD TO SEE FROM WATER STREET BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE PS THERE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'LL CONTRACTOR WILL GET IN THERE AND FIX ALL THAT, FIX THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE AS WELL, UM, WHILE THEY'RE IN THERE.
AND IT'S INSIDE THE FENCE AREA.
SO THE FENCE WILL BE COMING DOWN IF YOU SEE THAT, UM, SEE THE FENCE GONE, THAT'S WHY.
AND THEN, UH, WE, WE HAVE AROUND MARCH, WE'RE GONNA DO THE COUNTYWIDE, UH, ROADWAY SWEEPING THAT WE ALWAYS DO.
UM, SO SOON AS THERE'S NO THREAT OF, UM, SNOW WINTER WEATHER.
I TRY NOT TO SAY THE WORD, BUT WINTER WEATHER
WE HAD A PILOT MID-BLOCK, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
WE CALL IT A HAWK, UM, THAT STANDS FOR, UH, HIGH INTENSITY ACTIVATED CROSSWALK ON 60 BYPASS.
UM, WE ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE ON IT.
UM, IT IS ONLY TWO IN THE STATE.
UM, SO I'VE SEEN PEOPLE USE IT.
SO IT, UH, YOU CAN'T MISS IT IF SOMEBODY'S IN IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
UM, BUT IT'S
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BLINK, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, UH, UH, MESS WITH TRAFFIC IF NOBODY'S USING IT.BUT WHEN THEY HIT IT, UH, IT'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S IN THE CROSSWALK FROM GETTING READY TO BE.
SO, UH, THE PILOT PIECE OF IT IS THEY, UH, USUALLY WHEN YOU SEE THOSE MID-BLOCK CROSSINGS, UM, THERE'S OVER OVERHEAD SIGNALS, UM, AT THESE LOCATIONS.
THESE HAVE SIDE MOUNTED SIGNALS, UM, ON BOTH SIDES, EACH DIRECTION WITH A REFUSE.
IN THE MIDDLE, YOU SAID IT'S A PILOT, BUT I, I NOTICED ON RIGHT, RIGHT.
FIVE ON IN JAMES CITY COUNTY, THEY GET THAT LONG, THE LONG BIKE PATH UHHUH, AND AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE YOU CATCH THE TRAIL, RIGHT? AND AT SOME POINT IT CROSSES THE ROAD AND THERE'S AN AUTOMATED, UH, SO WHAT THAT IS, UM, THAT'S NOT THIS
AND, UM, WHEN YOU GET UP THERE AND HIT THE, IT'S ACTUALLY THAT ONE HAS A RADAR.
SO AS YOU PULL UP TO THE STOP BAR AT THE, UH, VIRGINIA CAPITAL TRAIL, IT'S
SO HOW DOES THIS D THIS THIS, WHAT IS THIS? SO THIS IS, IT STAYS DARK UNTIL A PEDESTRIAN GETS UP THERE AND DECIDES THEY WANT TO CROSS THE ROAD.
UH, AND THEN IT'LL GO LIVE AS THEN BLINKING YELLOW TO LET, UH, TRAFFIC KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS GETTING READY TO ENTER THE CROSSWALK.
UH, AND THEN IT GOES TO RED, AND THEN BLINKING RED.
WHEN IT'S BLINKING RED, SOMEONE'S IN THE CROSSWALK.
UH, ONCE THAT PERSON CROSSES, UH, INTO THE CENTER, UM, THEY HAVE TO DO THE SAME STEP TO CROSS THE OTHER SIDE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU GO LIKE THIS AND THEN YOU KIND OF COME OVER AND GO AGAIN.
UM, ONCE THE PEDESTRIAN IS THROUGH AND EVERYTHING'S CLEAR, IT MAY GO TO A BLINKING.
I MEAN, JUST A SOLID RED, AND ACTUALLY MOTORISTS CAN GO THROUGH AT THAT TIME IF IT'S CLEAR, AND THEN IT'LL GO DARK AGAIN.
WHERE ELSE DID YOU SAY WE HAD? WHERE ELSE IS THERE ONE? THERE IS TWO IN THE STATE.
IT IS OUT WEST SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE FIRST PILOT WAS DONE, BUT, UM, IT WAS FUNDED THROUGH RESEARCH COUNCIL AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SECTION IN CENTRAL OFFICE.
SO, UM, WE'RE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WELL IT WORKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, WE DID A STATEWIDE STUDY AND THIS WAS A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT.
NO, I THINK THERE WAS THREE OR FOUR CANDIDATES.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME PEDESTRIAN, UM, ISSUES OR SAFETY ISSUES THERE.
I MEAN, UH, 60 BYPASS FROM 1 32 TO, EXCUSE ME, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG? MM-HMM.
UM, SO IT, IT WAS A GOOD CANDIDATE.
SO, AND, UH, AND YOU CAN'T MISS THE FLASHING LIGHTS.
YOU CAN'T, UH, SO, UH, ASPHALT PROJECT, WE COMPLETED THAT IN NOVEMBER, SO IT JUST FELL RIGHT INTO THIS TIMEFRAME FOR, UM, FOR THE QUARTERLY REVIEW.
BUT, UH, THE ROADS I LISTED HERE, FORT TIS, KILN CREEK, VILLAGE AVENUE, UH, WOLF TRAP ROAD AIRPORT, YORKTOWN ROAD, UH, THEY WERE ALL COMPLETED.
AND THE PROJECT HAS BEEN C FIVE TO CLOSED OUT, UH, PENMAN ROAD, GOVERNMENT ROAD, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, UH, ANTICIPATED TO START A CONSTRUCTION ON THAT.
IT'S FEBRUARY THE 26TH, SO IT'S THIS MONTH.
WE'VE ALREADY, UH, HAD THE PRECON AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION AUGUST OF 2025.
OF WAY PARCEL EASEMENTS ARE CLEARED, SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD UNLESS WE HAVE CONFLICTS WHILE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THE ROUTE 1 71, RIGHT TURN LANE EXTENSION, UM, THAT EXTENDS THE ACCELERATION LANE COMING OUTTA WALMART.
UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WILL PROBABLY WILL BE GOING SOMETIME IN MARCH TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, IT APPEARS THAT, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY ADVERTISE NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING.
UM, IF WE CAN GET ALL THAT CLEARED AND, UH, WITH A CONSTRUCTION PLAN, UH, PROBABLY BE EARLY 2025 WITH A COMPLETION IN AUGUST OF 2025, UM, I'M SORRY, COMPLETION LATE SUMMER OF 2025, UH, WITH CREEK ROAD PROJECT, UH, THAT I KNOW IT'S IN COSA, BUT IT AFFECTS, UH, DISTRICT FIVE AND, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THE AREA.
UH, THAT PROJECT WAS ADVERTISED IN NOVEMBER.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, RECEIVE BIDS.
UH, IT GOES TO CTB, UH, FOR RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, FEBRUARY THE 20TH.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT PROJECT AWARDED SOMETIME IN MARCH.
UM, SO JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION NOTES, PROCEED BE NOVEMBER OF 2024 AND COMPLETION AROUND SEPTEMBER OF 2027.
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SO WHAT, SO WHAT ARE Y'ALL GONNA DO ON, WITH, WITH CREEK ROAD? SO, UH, IT, IT ADDS, SO WITH CREEK IS COMPRISED OF TWO PROJECTS SPANNING FROM WIDTH CREEK, UH, COMMANDER SHEPHERD INTERSECTION TO THE CITY OF, UH, HAMPTON, UM, AND THE CITY OF POCOS.AND, UH, TOTAL PROJECT LINKS 1.8 MILES.
IT REPLACES THE BRIDGE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
RISE, UH, RAISES IT, UM, DOES SOME PEDESTRIAN STUFF AND ALSO HAS A, UH, DIRECTIONAL LANE.
SO IT ADDS A DIRECTIONAL LANE.
SO AS TRAFFIC'S COMING IN, UH, IT'LL HAVE THE X ONE AND THE GREEN ARROW, THE OTHER, AND VICE VERSA.
ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO, UH, DO THE JERSEY BARRIERS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? OR, UH, HOW ARE THEY GONNA WORK THAT THEY, THEY, THEY SHOULDN'T.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT BEING IN THE DESIGN, MR. SHEPHERD.
AND THEY GOTTA DO A BEING SEPARATED.
IT'LL BE A, THE DISTRICT AND MY DISTRICT AND ANYBODY ELSE DOWN YOUR COUNTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, SIGNALIZE LIGHT RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF KERRY'S CHAPEL AND, UH, RIGHT.
AND IT WILL BE SO PEOPLE CAN COME DOWN KERRY CHAPEL AND TURN WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER AND, UH, AND TURN IN ALSO.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT HAS SOME, UH, PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES ALSO INCLUDED IN AS WELL.
ACTUALLY, THE OLD BRIDGE BECOMES A PEDESTRIAN PATH.
I MEAN, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ONLY BE EIGHT OR 10 FOOT BY THE TIME THEY, YOU KNOW, FINISH WITH IT.
BUT, UM, SO 1 34 BRIDGE REHAB OVER 17, THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, PAVED DITCH, UM, ISSUE WITH EROSION.
UM, THAT'S GOING, UH, 17 TO 1 34 HAMPTON AS YOU SLIP OVER.
UM, SO WE HAVE A PROJECT TO, UH, REPLACE THAT BRIDGE DECK AND APPROACH S LABS AND DO SOME MINOR REPAIR ON SOME SUPER STRUCTURE AND SUBSTRUCTURE.
HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA TAKE? UM, I'M GETTING TO IT.
UH, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLYOVER, RIGHT? THE FLYOVER, YEAH.
SO THAT BRIDGE, UH, 17 OFFICE OF 17 MM-HMM.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE IS, IT'S ONLY ONE AT YORKSHIRE ROAD.
IT GOES OVER, OVER 17, ACTUALLY GOES OVER 17, GOES OVER 17 HIGHWAY.
SO THE, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IN PHASES.
UM, SO WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA LEAVE ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC, UM, ON THAT BRIDGE.
SO WE, THE DETOUR PLAN FOR THE, THE, SO COMING OFF 17, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, THE ONE THAT COMES FROM HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND COMES BACK AROUND, UH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DETOUR TRAFFIC DOWN VICTORY, UH, TO 17 THAT WAY SO THAT WE CAN PHASE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THAT, THAT RAMP COMES IN TO THE BRIDGE AS THE YEP.
SO THAT'LL ALLOW US TO SHIFT TRAFFIC, UM, FROM ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.
AND THEN CERTAINLY LESS VEHICLES TRAVELING, UH, THAT ROUTE FROM 1 34 THAN THERE ARE 17 TO ONE 30.
WHAT TIME, WHEN IS THIS GONNA START? UH, SO WE ARE IN THE, WE JUST STARTED THE, UH, PFI OR THE, THE PLAN REVIEWS NOW.
SO WE'RE IN THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STAGE OF IT.
UM, ESTIMATED START DATE WILL BE OCTOBER OF 2025 WITH THE COMPLETION DATE OF SEPTEMBER OF 2026.
UM, SO WE ALSO HAVE, UH, PM FIVE F 24, WHICH IS OUR ASPHALT SCHEDULE FOR THE SUMMER, SPRING SUMMER, UH, UH, FOR YORK COUNTY.
UM, WE HAVE A FAIRLY ROBUST SCHEDULE, UM, AND IT INCLUDES SOME SUBDIVISION ROADS.
UM, ROUTE 17 IS IN IT, UH, UP, UM, WELL, LEMME JUST GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.
THE, UH, UH, BEAR PATH, DEER PATH ROAD, WILSON DRIVE, FOREST LANE, UM, SHADY BLUFF POINT, UH, PHOENIX CIRCLE IS OFF OF NEWMAN ROAD, UH, THEN A LOT AND THEY'RE IN TAB LAKES.
UM, WE, Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THIS IF YOU NEED.
I'M NOT GONNA, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO HIT THE BIG ONE.
TAB LAKES, UH, OFF OF, UH, UH, GARDENVILLE OFF OF COVENTRY.
WE HAVE THE ROUTE 17 FROM WOLF TRAP.
UM, AND THAT'S NORTHBOUND FROM WOLF TRAP TO FORT HUSTIS.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, I'M TRYING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.
UM, BIG BETHEL ROAD FROM THE, UH, BRIDGE TO, UM, THE PAVING JOINT THERE AT 1 34.
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THAT SECTION THAT GOES INTO, I GUESS THAT'S HAMPTON, OR IS THAT HAMPTON? NO, WAIT, UH, YEAH.COOPER NEWS FROM THE BRIDGE, UM, TO 1 34 BIG BETHEL, UH, FENTANYL ROAD, UH, MOTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHERN, UM, SECTION OF THE COUNTY BARLOW ROAD, UH, WINTHROP ROAD, HAR LANE, UH, CATESBY LANE, ALL THAT SORT OF OFF OF, UH, PENMAN AT AREA, UM, YORK YORKVILLE ROAD, I MEAN, UH, CHARLES ROAD OFF OF YORKVILLE ROAD.
UH, ANOTHER SECTION OF PENMAN ROAD, HUBBARD LANE, DODGE DRIVE CENTER ROAD.
THEY'RE ALL OFF OF LIKE SHEPHERD DRIVE AND NELSON DRIVE, HUBBARD LANE OVER THAT LANE.
SO, UM, PRETTY, PRETTY BIG SCHEDULE.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME SMART SCALE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, THAT'S THE ROUTE 17 WIDENING BETWEEN SIX 30 AND 1 73.
UM, WE DID PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF NEW NEWS, WHICH SAVED US SOME MONEY, UH, BY SHARING THE BMP THAT THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING NOW AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO TARGET ADVERTISEMENT IS NOVEMBER OF 2026, CONSTRUCTION STARTING APRIL OF 2027, COMPLETION OCTOBER, 2029.
UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, SMART 18, UH, SMART SCALE PROJECT, UH, ROUTE 1 71, WIDENING BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34.
UM, AND THAT WIDENS THE, UM, SECTION BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34, UH, ADDS A LANE.
SO THERE'S THREE LANES COMING FROM 1 34 TO 17, BUT IT'S ONLY TWO LANES GOING, SO IT'S GONNA DROP OFF AT 1 34 MM-HMM,
UM, THAT PROJECT IS TO BE ADVERTISED APRIL OF 2024, UH, CONSTRUCTION STARTING JULY OF 2024, COMPLETION OF JULY OF 2025.
UM, WE HAVE THE ROUTE 1 71 CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT.
THAT'S BETWEEN 1 34 AND, UH, ROUTE 1740.
THAT'S THE INTERSECTION, TURN LANE, SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS, SHARED USE PATH.
UM, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STARTED ON THIS.
UH, CONSTRUCTION IS LOOKING AT EARLY 2027, UH, TO EARLY 2028.
AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE SCOPE AND FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THIS IS A JOINT SMART SCALE PROJECT BETWEEN YORK COUNTY AND, UM, JAMES CITY COUNTY.
AND THAT IS THE, UH, AIRPORT ROAD, MOTOWN ROAD AND RICHMOND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THAT PROJECT WE STARTED TO DO SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY PRES SCOPING, UH, LOOK AT THAT.
UM, SO, UH, THAT, THAT IT IMPROVES THE, UH, AIRPORT ROAD MOTOWN ROAD TO INCLUDE A ROUNDABOUT, IMPROVES THE INTERSECTION OF RICHMOND ROAD, UH, AND AIRPORT ROAD TO INCLUDE A RIGHT ONLY ONTO RICHMOND ROAD WITH THE U-TURN.
REASSIGNMENTS, UH, CURRENTLY PERFORMING PRES SCOPING ADVERTISEMENT MARCH OF 2030.
UH, PROJECTED COMPLETION DECEMBER OF 2031.
I KNOW THAT'S A BIT OUT, BUT, UH, MM-HMM,
UH, IT'S THE WIDENING PROJECT.
UH, THEY CALL IT GAP A, GAP B, GAP C, WE'RE ACTUALLY GAP C.
UM, AND THAT'S THE SECTION FROM RIGHT ABOUT 1 99 ALL THE WAY TO THE NEW KENT LINE, UHHUH
AND, UM, SO THAT RFP ADVERTISED IN NOVEMBER OF, UH, 2023 APRIL PLANNED AWARD COMPLETION, NOVEMBER OF 2027.
UM, SO THAT IS MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
UM, AND SO THE GAP, WHAT, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IS GAP A IS ALREADY, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD GAP C SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UH, AND THEN THE MIDDLE SECTION WILL BE BUILT TO CONNECT THE TWO.
SO THEY'RE GONNA DO A C AND THEN B, UM, TO CONNECT THE LAST, THE LAST 10 MILES.
WHY? WHEN DOES C CONNECT OR BEGIN? UH, CC, UM, 20.
SO APRIL, 2024 IS PLANNED AWARD.
SO YOU'LL SEE MAY, JUNE, JULY, YOU'LL START CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE CONTRACTOR'S SCHEDULE IS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT.
UH, GETTING, THEY STARTED ON THE RICHMOND SIDE, RICHMOND COMING BACK BACK AND THEY'RE DOING SOME TREE TRIMMING AND ING AND STUFF OF THAT TREE CUTTING JUST THERE.
THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION ALREADY.
YEAH, THEY'RE CUTTING TREES THERE.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UH, TO AWARD THIS, UM, ABOUT APRIL THIS YEAR.
UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW STUDIES, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDIES, MOST OF THEM, UM, INTERSECTION
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SPEED RELATED.UH, WE DID A SAFETY REVIEW FOR PATRICK'S CREEK ROAD.
UM, SO THE SPEED LIMIT ON OUR SIDE SAYS THAT IT IS A, UH, UH, STATUTORY 55 45.
WE LOOKED AT IT BECAUSE YOU GOT, UH, OLIVIA COURT, UM, AS RESI, UH, AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UM, HAD, UH, PATRICK'S CREEK ROAD ALL AS WELL.
SO IT HAS BEEN THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS OR PLACE FOR THE EAST SIDE.
SO WE PUT A WORK ORDER IN TO SUBMIT TO PUT 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ON THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
AND TO CHANGE THAT IN OUR BOOKS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS RESIDENT UNDER RESIDENTIAL STATUTORY 25, BUT WE'RE POSTING IT AS 25 AS WELL.
UM, THIS WAS A INTERSECTION SIGN REVIEW AND, UM, IT JUST RECOMMENDED WE LOOKED AT A FEW INTERSECTIONS, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION TO PUT YIELD SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED AT FUNGO, TURN AT THE INTERSECTION OF KAWA, UH, RUN AND THEN INTERSECTION REVIEW MOTOWN ROAD AT THE FIRE STATION.
UM, BASED ON THIS REVIEW, UH, WE HAD TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WHEN FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE, LOOKED AT SOME PREEMPTIVE, UH, SIGNALING, UM, AND THEN ALSO OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF, UH, IS GONNA BE DOING SOME SITE DISTANCE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TRIMMING, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO AS YOU COME OUT, YOU CAN HAVE THE MOST BEST CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT YOU CAN GET, UH, LAND USE.
WE DID, UH, SINCE JULY, WE'VE DONE 71 PLAN REVIEWS.
UH, WE'VE ISSUED 166 LAND USE PERMITS.
UM, BUT THAT'S UTILITY WORK OR, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE WORK, WHATEVER IT MAY BE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WE'VE CLOSED OUT 214, GO GOING BACK TO PATRICK CREEK REAL QUICK.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA DROP THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 ON ONE SIDE, SO IT ALREADY IS 25, IT HAS A SPEED LIMIT SIGN OF 25.
BUT IN OUR, IN OUR BOOKS, IT, IT SAYS IT'S STATUTORY 55.
BECAUSE YEAH, THAT'S WHERE IT THREW ME OFF, I THINK.
SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGE IN, IN OUR ASSIGNMENT AND THE OTHER SIDE'S NOT SIGNED AT ALL.
SO WE'RE SIGNING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 25 AS WELL.
BECAUSE I KNEW IT WASN'T POSTED AT 55, SO YOU LOST ME.
IT'S NOT POSTED AT ALL, BUT IT'S STATUTORY BASED ON THAT.
I MEAN, WITH YEARS DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS IT'S CHANGED THAT, BUT WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE SYSTEM, UM, I GUESS IT WASN'T MUCH DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE PUTTING A SIGN UP ON THE OTHER END, SO YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU'RE COMING, IT IS 25 MILE AN HOUR.
UM, AND THAT PRETTY MUCH CONCLUDES MY, UH, QUARTERLY UPDATE.
UM, I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS OR TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DOUG? YOU GONNA, WELL, DOUG, YOU GONNA ASK HIM ABOUT THE PROCESS? I'LL COME UP TO THAT, YEAH.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF 17 IN VICTORY OKAY.
THERE IS A, UM, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH DOWN 17 AT VICTORY AND, AND YOU WANT TO TURN LEFT, OKAY.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A NICE TURN LANE TURN, TURN FROM TROUBLE IS THE SIGNALS SO SHORT THAT YOU ONLY GET LIKE A COUPLE CARS THROUGH THERE.
I'M JUST PRESENTING THIS AS A COMPLAINT THAT I'VE FROM A COUPLE OF CITIZENS, IF YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
WE, WE, WE'VE STUDIED THAT INTERSECTION A LOT AND FOR EVERY SECOND THAT I GIVE THAT LEFT, I HAVE TO TAKE SECONDS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I KNOW YOU, YOU GO THROUGH THIS SECOND DRILL ALL THE TIME.
I ONLY, I ONLY HAVE 140 SOMETHING SECONDS THAT I, YOU KNOW IT.
ALRIGHT, LET ME JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE.
HAMPTON HIGHWAY COMING FROM HAMPTON.
I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN YOU EXTENDED THE LANE THERE.
NOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED AGAIN.
BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THE CAR FILL UP IN THE TURN THAT, THAT TURN LANE, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING IT NOW, BUT THEY'RE, THEY FILLED UP THE TURN LANE AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THEN THEY SHUT DOWN ONE LANE ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
SO THEN IT BECOMES HAMPTON HIGHWAY BECOMES A SINGLE LANE ROAD.
THAT, THAT IS THE RIGHT OR LEFT TURN LANE.
IT'S LEFT TURN ONTO LEFT TURN LANE ONTO LEFT TURN ONTO, UH, VICTORY, VICTORY HEAD OVER 64.
SO AGAIN, IT JUST BECOMES A SINGLE ONE LANE.
AND THAT JUST, I MEAN, THE HOLLERING I'M STARTING TO GET IS JUST PRETTY AMAZING.
UM, NOW IS THIS, THIS IS MOSTLY DURING
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AM OR PM PEAKS? IT'S BUSINESS TIMES, OTHERWISE I'VE LOOKED AT IT AND OTHER TIMES IT FILLS UP MAYBE THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY.BUT YOU GO OUT THERE DURING, UH, PEAK HOURS DURING TWO KS, ONE BUSINESS DAYS WHEN PEOPLE OR EVERYBODY GOES TO WORK AND COMES BACK OR SOMETHING HAPPENS ON 64 AND THEN EVERYBODY JUMPS OFF SOMEWHERE AND THEY COME DOWN ON AND, UH, TRYING TO GET A GET AROUND THE TRAFFIC JAM.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UM, AT THE HAMPTON ON 1 34 AT THE HAMPTON, UH, YORK COUNTY LINE.
AND IT'S QUAD PLEXED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT HAS, UM, UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THEY'RE HAVING IS PULLING OUT ON ONTO, UH, 1 34.
SO I, YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW? RIGHT.
SO THEY, THEY TRY TO PULL OUT ON 1 3 4.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE, THE SEAWEEDS OR THE GRASS OR IS GROWING UP OVER THERE NOW BLOCKING THEIR VIEW DOWN THE ROAD SO THEY DON'T HAVE, FEEL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO, UH, BECOME A HIGH YAKA MOVE OR COME IN SCREAMING OUT OF THERE AT 15 MILES AN HOUR.
NOW THEY, THEY, THEY TRY, THEY TRY TO GET OUT OF THERE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE DRIVING KIND OF SLOW.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO THAT SOMETIMES THE TRAFFIC CAN BE UP TO LIKE 65 BY IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S POSTED, I THINK 55 SPEED LIMIT.
I'LL SEE IF THERE'S SOME SIDE DISTANCE.
SO WE OUGHT BE ABLE TO CUT AT LEAST KNOCK IT DOWN.
I'LL SAY THERE'S SOME SITE DISTANCE IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN DO THERE.
THEY JUST WANT YOU TO CUT THE GRASS DOWN OR CUT THE, THAT'S IT LIMITED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UH, WELL, I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I DIDN'T GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY CHECK IT OUT, BUT, UH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY IDENTIFIED IT AS THAT, UH, 'CAUSE IF YOU COME UP RIGHT TO THE EDGE, I MEAN, YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SEE DOWN THAT ROAD JUST RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, THAT INTERSECTION.
IT JUST, EVERYTHING'S BLOCKING OUR VIEW.
VICTORY BOULEVARD SEVENTEEN'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY PEAK IN THE AFTERNOONS COMING FROM VICTORY BOULEVARD TRYING TO TURN LEFT ONTO 17.
IT, NOW IT'S STARTING TO BACK UP TWO LANES IN THE AFTERNOONS, ESPECIALLY AROUND PEOPLE.
THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT UNFORTUNATELY.
UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE TRAFFIC OFF OF 64 COMING DOWN AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT THERE.
I TRIED THAT AN AWFUL LOT SIGNAL TIMINGS AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE AS MUCH DELAY AS WE CAN.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOUR DEMAND IS BOTH 17 AND VICTORY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE ONE, I MEAN, THE, THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ARE PRETTY HIGH AT FIVE, SIX O'CLOCK.
THE PROBLEM IS THE LIGHTS SOMETIMES AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MANY SECONDS YOU HAVE MM-HMM.
THANKS MR. OR I HAD SEVERAL, UM, SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO I, I VOLUNTEERED TO DO GROUNDS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, WORK FOR MY HOA AND THAT'S AN NON ENVIABLE TASK AND IT'S NOT ONE YOU CAN PASS ON 'CAUSE NOBODY WILL TAKE IT.
BUT I'VE, I'VE, UM, APPLIED FOR POTHOLE REPAIRS MANY TIMES AND I AM THRILLED WITH THE RESPONSE THAT YOU GET FROM VDOT.
IT'S ALWAYS WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS THAT YOU SEE THEM OUT THERE FILLING THE HOLES.
UM, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ON MOTOWN ROAD.
UH, A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS IN ARBORDALE HAVE ASKED IF THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO VICTORY VILLAGE, THAT'D BE THE FIRST ONE AT THE FIRST SENTARA ENTRANCE AND THE LEFT TURN LANE ONTO HON UH, THE WALTZ REBA CORNER.
UH, WE COULD HAVE A FLASHING YELLOW LEFT AFTER, AFTER IT GOES RED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC TURNING LEFT THERE.
AND IF YOU HAD, IF YOU ALLOWED IT TO TURN ON A, ON A FLASHING YELLOW, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD IMPROVE THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS, UH, FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY.
I LOOK, I THINK WE ALREADY STUDIED IT, BUT LET ME, LET ME, LET ME, UH, GO BACK.
EVEN I GOT FEEDBACK ON, ON THAT ONE.
THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION AHEAD.
WE HAVE A LETTER OF THE AGENDA, AN ITEM ON, UH, ON, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST BY ME FOR AN SUP ON THE, UH, YORK PLAZA OR YORK 64 DEVELOPMENT ON LIFE OF THE ROAD.
UM, WHEN FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, WE WON'T, WON'T APPLY AN SUP TO THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC STUDY TO ENSURE THAT THE NUMBERS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT ARE IN FACT ACCURATE.
UM, MR. SHEPHERD ASKED A VERY GOOD QUESTION TODAY.
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WOULD DO THAT KIND OF AN ANALYSIS ON OUR BEHALF.UH, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS OR NUMBER OF VEHICLES PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT IS A FRACTION OF WHAT A WAREHOUSE OF THAT SIZE WOULD ACTUALLY SEE.
AND WE'RE JUST NOT SURE WHETHER WE NEED TO GO TO AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC CONSULTANT OR WHETHER WE CAN SEARCH FOR THAT CAPABILITY THROUGH VDO.
UH, I'LL LET MY LANDUS ENGINEER REVIEW IT.
UM, AND IF HE THINKS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDY, I'LL DECIDE, I'LL LET HIM DECIDE WHICH WAY WHETHER WE CAN DO IT THROUGH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING DIVISION OR WHETHER A THIRD PARTY YOU SHOULD BRING IN A THIRD PARTY.
SO ROSSI, THE, THE QUE THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT WHEN, UM, AN APPLICANT SUBMITS A PLAN, UM, AND I KNOW OUR STAFF GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RE OF REVIEW.
THEY GET, THEY SEND THE, THE APPLICANT ALSO SENDS IN A TRAFFIC STUDY, RIGHT? THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON THE RULES AND STANDARD ENGINEERING RULES AND THE RULES SET BY VDOT.
SO RIGHT NOW, I UNDERSTAND ALMOST EVERY TIME THAT I CAN REMEMBER, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A VDOT REVIEW OF THE PROCESS.
SO NORMALLY WE GET THAT RIGHT AS PART OF OUR REVIEW PROCESS, RIGHT.
AND THAT TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING REVIEWS THAT THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND DON'T AGREE.
THEY MAY EVEN ASK FOR SOME OF THE, THE MODELING MM-HMM.
BUT, UH, A LOT OF IT'S SPELLED OUT WHAT TO USE IS JUST, UH, WHAT CLASSIFICATION, UH, YOU'RE USING THAT TYPE, THE, THE, WELL, THE QUESTION HERE IS, UM, THAT THEY HAVE THE ENGINEERS, THESE ARE CERTIFIED ENGINEERS, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO, THEY'VE GOT THEIR CERTIFICATES AND EVERYTHING, AND SO THEY DO WHATEVER THEY DO THE STUDY TO MEET THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU'VE SET BY VDOT IN THE INDUSTRY.
UM, NOW THOSE THINGS ARE SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, TO THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY THEN GOES THROUGH THIS ITERATIVE PROCESS BACK AND FORTH, NOT ONLY WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE DEVELOPING PARAMETERS, BUT ALSO IN THE TRAFFIC PARAMETERS AND STORM WATER PARAMETERS AND EVERY PARAMETER I CAN THINK OF.
SO, UM, SO I I THE QUESTION THAT, AND THE CONCERN I IS THAT, UH, MR. ROY FEELS THAT THE TRA UH, THE, THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT AND, UH, AND I MEAN HE HAS, HE HAS A RIGHT TO ARGUE THAT POINT, BUT THE THE POINT MODEL WOULD SUGGEST A MUCH HIGHER NUMBER.
BUT THE POINT THAT, THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE AND AND UNDERSTAND TOO IS THAT, UM, I, MY EXPECTATIONS, UH, AND I THINK THE BOARD HAS THE SAME EXPECTATIONS, IS ONCE VDOT IS MAKING THIS RE REVIEW OF THESE THINGS, THAT IT IS A PER PARAMETERS REVIEW.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT JUST GETTING IN AND THROWING UP ON THE SHELF OR SAYING, OKAY, YOU'RE DOING A REVIEW.
SO AT, AT A POINT NOW, I WOULD THINK SINCE THE, SINCE THE, I THINK, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER THAT PROJECT'S CALLED US SOMETHING 64 YORK.
64 YORK 64, THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY PLAN AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A PRELIMINARY, THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT'S, I WOULD SAY INSTEAD OF LIKE, OKAY, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU GOT AND LET'S GO OUT AND GET A, GET A, UH, ENGINEERING REVIEW.
WE NEED TO GO THROUGH, LET THE PROCESS WORK OUT PROCESS.
NOW WE CAN POINT OUT SOME CONCERNS WITH THE ENGINEERING SUBMISSION, IF YOU WOULD, THAT, THAT THE, UM, THAT MAYBE WE'VE SEEN AT OUR LEVEL.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERING THE PROJECT UP HERE.
IT'S JUST THAT WE SEE THINGS THAT ARE A CONCERN.
SO BY MAKING A STATEMENT RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE ENGINEERING, AND I SAY WE, MR. HOLWELL IN PARTICULAR REPRESENTING HIS DISTRICT IS SAYING HE HAS SOME CONCERNS WITH THE NUMBERS.
I WOULD, LIKE YOU SAID, GO BACK AND MAYBE ASK YOUR ENGINEER AT THIS POINT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS TO FOCUS ON IT INSTEAD OF US BUYING SOME SORT OF ENGINEERING AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T, IN FACT, I WOULD SAY IT AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DO SO BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE, EITHER THE PROJECT COME TO US COMPLETED OR AT LEAST FOR A REVIEW AT THAT POINT, AND THEN SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE IT THEN THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS OVER THE, OVER THE, THE TRAFFIC.
THEN, THEN MAYBE AT THAT POINT WE'D TAKE SOME ACTION FURTHER.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO HEAR FROM VDOT TO SAY, SAY A MINUTE, ABILITY TO DO PRELIMINARY REVIEW.
AND IF WE SEE ANY ISSUES, MAYBE AT THAT POINT YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, HEY, VDOT LOOKED AT THIS.
AND UM, AND THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND THIS THING HAS BEEN DOING FOR, FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS HERE.
SO I, I I, I, SO DOUG, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'VE EXPRESSING CONCERNS, MAN, RIGHT THERE WHO'S IS RUNNING THE, THE SHOW DOWN AND THIS PART OF, UH, VIRGINIA, THEN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND IT'S HIS ENGINEER HAS A REVIEW.
UH, BUT HE, HE NEEDS TO HAVE TO ALSO WORK THIS WITH THE STAFF BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER PIECES TO IT
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THAT WE'RE NOT, NOT NECESSARILY AWARE OF.I'LL FOLLOW UP WHAT WE CALL YORKTOWN 66 YORK 64 DEVELOPMENT.
THIS NORTH, NO, I DON'T THINK HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME.
I, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT VICTORY BOULEVARD.
WE TALK ABOUT THREE WIND THE ROAD.
ME A FLY OVER THERE IF HE CAN GET A FLY OVER.
I'M SORRY, I HAD ONE OTHER POINT.
AT ATTON HIGH SCHOOL, UH, AT THE END OF THE SCHOOL ZONE VOTE.
WE NEED A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS END OF SCHOOL ZONE.
AS WE GET INTO CAMERA DISCUSSIONS, IT PROMPTED ME TO LOOK, IS THAT, IS THAT THEM OR US ALSO? THAT'S, SO THAT'S, YEAH.
I NOTICED THAT Y'ALL ARE MARKING CEDAR ROAD.
WHEN'S IT FOR POTHOLES? SO WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT COMES IN.
I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS MARKING THEM FOR HIM TO COME IN.
UH, WE, WE USE THAT UNDER CONTRACTING AND UM, THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED, BUT IF THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MARKING IT SO HE SEES WHAT TO DO.
WELL I GOT SOME FEEDBACK FOR YOU THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE VICTOR BOULEVARD
UM, FIRST OF ALL, AND MARK, YOU, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I DUNNO IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REACH OUT HERE, BUT YORKTOWN ROAD, UM, NO, I THINK THERE WAS WITHIN RECENT COUPLE, THREE, FOUR YEARS, THEY DID A STUDY ON THAT FOR SPEED LIMIT.
SO, UM, TYPICALLY I'LL DO IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, DEVELOPMENT USUALLY DOESN'T CHANGE TOO MUCH.
IN FIVE YEARS IT MAY GROW, BUT TYPICALLY IF I'LL DO A STUDY, A SPEED STUDY ON A PARTICULAR ROAD ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE.
IT MAY BE, IT MAY MAYBE REAL CLOSE.
THE ROAD, IF I MAY, SO ROSSY, WOULD A REQUEST FOR A CROSSWALK ON THAT ROAD TRIGGER A SPEED STUDY? SO YES,
THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF DOING IT.
BECAUSE, WHICH WE'LL BE ASKING, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR SIDEWALK PROJECT.
SO THAT'S, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT, WELL NOW A SPEED STUDY, WE WILL DO A SPEED COUNT SO WE GET THE 85TH AND TO ALSO DETERMINE WHAT THE, UH, SO WHAT'S SPEED STUDY IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT BECAUSE, SO WHEN YOU DO A SPEED STUDY, TYPICALLY THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT IS THE 85TH PERCENTILE SPEEDS ON THAT ROAD.
BUT WITH THAT IT COULD BE HIGHER THAN 40.
AND IF THERE'S NO ACCIDENTS, NO GEOMETRICAL ISSUES, UM, NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS, UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THEN THE RESULT IS GONNA BE, THE SPEED LIMIT SHOULD BE HIGHER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING ACCIDENTS.
PEOPLE FEEL SAFE TRAVELING AT LET'S SAY 50 MILES AN HOUR.
I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT A STUDY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY UNLESS YOU HAVE ACCIDENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN ENFORCE THE SPEED LIMIT THAT'S THERE, BUT IF I JUST GO OUT AND PUT 35 THERE OR 30 AND EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE DRIVING 40, 45, YOU BETTER GET IT.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DRIVE 40, 45.
THAT SIGN WORKS FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT PEOPLE GET USED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY DRIVE COMFORTABLE, UH, THEY WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE SAFE AND THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THEIR SPEEDS RANGE IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, WITHOUT SOME ACCIDENTS OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT REALLY, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO YEAH.
HAD A PRETTY HORRIFIC ONE THERE A FEW YEARS BACK, SO.
BUT I MEAN, WE WERE ONLY GONNA LOOK AT THREE YEARS.
SO, I MEAN IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE, I I'M NOT SAYING YES OR NO, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THOUGH, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE 85TH PERCENTILE.
WE'RE NOT GOING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LOOK AT INTER INTERSECTION, WHAT THE ACCIDENT CRASH DATA IS, ACCIDENT HISTORY, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, SITE TRIANGLES IN THAT INTERSECTION.
SO THE TWO ARE, IT, IT WON'T, THAT WON'T TRIGGER A SPEED STUDY.
ALRIGHT, WELL SO, BUT WHEN YOU, WE'LL LOOK AT THE SPEEDS.
UM, BUT WHEN, WHEN WE PUT SIDEWALKS ADJACENT TO THE ROAD TOO, DOES THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON, SO IT INCREASED PEDESTRIAN.
SO OBVIOUSLY HAVING PEDESTRIAN IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR, BUT WITHOUT ANY PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS OR ANY, YOU KNOW, ISSUES LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE VEHICLE,
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VEHICLE TRAVEL AND THE PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL OR CO-MINGLING SAFELY KINDA WANNA GET AHEAD OF IT TOO.'CAUSE PERSON THE CAR I UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS WHERE'S GONNA LOSE, THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE CLOSE CALLS THAT YOU CAN'T, CAN'T QUANTIFY IN THE STUDIES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T SHOW UP THAT ARE BEHIND THE SCENES.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY TO MAKE ENGINEERING JUDGMENT, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT DATA'S AVAILABLE.
UM, THE TOPIC FROM A LITTLE WHILE BACK, OLD WAYNESBURG ROAD AND GOOSE LEE, THAT INTERSECTION ACROSS FROM, UM, OH SHOOT.
WE, WE, WE HAD BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE.
A LOT OF CONCERNS OVER THAT WITH SOME ISSUES 'CAUSE IT'S, AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A SAFETY STUDY AT THAT INTERSECTION AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO SET UP SOME, UH, A MEETING WITH I THINK THE HOA PRESIDENT P THERE AND, UH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY.
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK YET.
BECAUSE I HAD GOTTEN A EI HAD GOTTEN A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UM, DO YOU, DO YOU REMEMBER THE WORK Y'ALL DID ON LINK ROAD? UM, BACK IN THE, IN THE DARE AREA, YOU PUT THAT NEW TECHNOLOGY ON THE SHOULDERS TO SHORED UP.
YOU REMEMBER THAT? YEAH, I WENT BY IT THE OTHER DAY.
UM, WE STARTED, I THINK WE DID ABOUT 1500 FEET.
AND THEN WE DID ANOTHER SEVEN OR 800 FEET.
SEE WHAT YOU WANNA GIVE US MORE RECENTLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU DROVE BY THERE.
I'VE CHECKED THAT A COUPLE TIMES AND IT'S SEEMS AS WATER WANTS TO SIT THERE, IT DOESN'T WANNA DRAIN AND NOW START TO BACK UP INTO PEOPLE'S YARD, UM, AS, AS RAILWAY TURNS INTO THE LAKE.
SO THE WATER JUST STOPPED BLOWING.
WHAT WE DID THERE WAS JUST TO TRY TO GET SOME SUPPORT FOR SHOULDER WHERE THERE WAS NO SHOULDER BEFORE.
AND WE DID CLEAN THE DITCH OUT THROUGH THAT SECTION, BUT WHERE THAT WATER GOES, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO OKAY.
BUT IT, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK THEY RAN THE DITCH ANY FURTHER THAN THE SHOULDER AREA THAT WE WERE.
YEAH, I DON'T, UH, YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER, BUT I DON'T, SO, BUT I DON'T DON NEED TO CLEANED UP THE DITCH THE AREA THAT THEY DID, BUT, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE.
THAT'S ON LINK ROAD AND THAT'S IN THAT SECTION RIGHT HERE, THERE, UM, I GOT, I GOT A, I'VE GOT A COUPLE CALLS ABOUT OLD LAKESIDE DRIVE OFF OF LAKESIDE DRIVE, UH, PARTICULARLY THE PARK PORTION, UH, THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO, UH, WHISPERING PINE INTO THE BRANDYWINE SUBDIVISION.
I I DRIVE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THE WEEK AND THE, THE ROADS GETTING NARROWER AND NARROWER AND NARROWER AS LITTLE CHUNKS GET CHIPPED OFF AS PEOPLE TRY TO PASS EACH OTHER.
UM, YOU WANNA PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR? SURE.
SEE IF I, SOMETHING KEEPING FROM BEFORE THE ROAD DISAPPEARS BECOMES A SINGLE LANE ROAD.
I GOT, I GOT A EMAIL ABOUT ON OLD YORK HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND THE CXX RAILROAD CROSSING OKAY.
IS GETTING TO BE PROBLEMATIC NOW.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN VDOT AND THE RAILROAD.
WHO, WHO DOES WHAT, WHO, WHO OWNS WHAT THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE RAILROAD? UM, IS CS X'S OKAY.
SO WE ONLY HAVE A AGREEMENT TO CROSS THE RAILROAD, SO THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
SO ALL THE CROSSINGS, WE, WE ACTUALLY TYPICALLY CANNOT WALK WORK ON CROSSING.
SO WE HAD THE SAME THING OUT THERE ON ROUTE 60 AROUND BUSH GARDENS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, THE MM-HMM
THEY DID IT, WE DID THE LANE CLOSURES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC FOR IT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS FUNDED THROUGH OUR CENTRAL OFFICE RAILS DIVISION.
UH, BUT THAT'S THE SAME CROSSING.
SO THIS IS, I WAS GONNA SAY WHO, SO WHO, WHO, WHO, SO WHAT DO WE DO? I KNOW WE HAD TO REALLY, BUT THROUGH C GO GET AFTER 'EM.
YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH CSX C YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND, AND THEIR REPORT TOO, IF IT'S THAT CROSSING, YES.
BUT WE'VE HAD TO WORK, UH, REMEMBER THE BIG ISSUE WITH THE, UH, THE DRAINAGE WE WERE DOING OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 17 THAT FLOWED, I THINK THIS WAY.
UH, BUT IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF GETTING THE GOVERNOR AND YOU KNOW,
I HAD TO, I HAD TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH THEM.
YOU KNOW, I HAD TO PROVIDE A LOT TO GET IT DONE.
UM, WE DID SOME ROAD CLOSURES, DIRECTIONAL CLOSURES, PUT TRAFFIC IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT FORWARD SOME EFFORT, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, OH YEAH, BUT THAT'S, BUT GETTING THEM IN THERE, THAT'S HOW I GOT 'EM IN THERE IS SAYING I WOULD PROBLEM HE'S IDENTIFYING HAS REPEATED ITSELF YEAR, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS.
I KNOW AT ONE TIME IT GOT DEBRIS SO DANGEROUS THAT BECAUSE THE TRACK HAD ACTUALLY ELEVATED ITSELF SOMEHOW
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AND IN THE ROAD.AND, UH, THEY FINALLY HAD TO GET THAT.
WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO WORK THAT BECAUSE OF SORT USES BOULEVARD, UH, COMING THROUGH THERE.
SO, SO I MEAN, I I I MEAN I I'VE HEARD THIS PROBLEM YEAH.
SO MANY TIMES BEFORE IT'S TIME THAT SOMEBODY, WE, WE, WE GET SOME LEVERAGE HERE AND I KNOW OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS CALLED AND TALKED TO 'EM.
THEY DON'T EVEN ANSWER HIS PHONE CALLS.
HOW ABOUT, SO CAN WE DO, HUH? HOW ABOUT OUR DELEGATION
I'LL REACH OUT TO MY PARENT CONTACT FOR OKAY.
ALRIGHT, AND LAST THING, I, I KNOW YOU, YOU GUYS ESPECIALLY, UH, WILLIAM ROLL AND HIS TEAM OUTTA SEAVER DO A TON OF WORK HERE, HERE IN THE AREA, TAKING CARE OF THINGS.
AND I KNOW THEY GOT A STACK OF WORK ORDERS THAT THAT'S UNENDED.
UM, AND, AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CALL I GET BEAT OUT RELATED STUFF IS ABOUT DITCH REPAIR, DITCH REHABILITATION, SO FORTH.
I KNOW YOU GUYS CHASE A LOT OF STUFF.
UM, AND, AND, AND I KNOW LAST YEAR HE STARTED A DITCH REHABILITATION PROJECT IN BRANDYWINE IN FRONT OTHER PLACES TOO.
AND HE KEPT GETTING CALLED AWAY.
WILLIAM KEPT GETTING CALLED AWAY AND, AND HE SAID HE IS COMING BACK IN THERE, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT HOW, HOW DO WE GET, UH, THE WHOLE ISSUE IS ABOUT RESOURCES FOR Y'ALL.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THE STATE DOESN'T GIVE YOU ALL ENOUGH MONEY.
HOW DO WE, DO WE JUST TALK TO OUR REP AND GENERAL ASSEMBLY? I MEAN, YEAH, THEY, Y'ALL SUBMIT YI THINK Y'ALL SUBMIT TO THE SAME REQUEST OR SAME COMMENT EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND IT'S PART OF THAT COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFFING AND, AND, AND RESOURCES.
I CAN SAY THERE STATE BUDGET SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, BY THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND, UH, AND THAT WHOEVER THIS, UH, SHEP MILLER'S THE SECRETARY AND UH, THE, THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS THAT, UM, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THEY CUT ABOUT 2200 PEOPLE OUT OF VOC AND THEY CUT THEIR BUDGET SO BAD THAT, UH, THEY COULDN'T EVEN, THEY COULDN'T CUT ROADS.
THEY COULD MAINTAIN THE ROADS LIKE THEY USED TO.
AND SO THAT'S WHY LIKE COMMUNITIES ARE STARTING TO TAKE OVER STUFF.
SO THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET, YOU GOTTA GET THE GOVERNOR TO SUBMIT A BUDGET THAT CONTAINS THE MONEY THAT BDOT NEEDS TO DO THE JOB.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALL IN THE, THE POLITICAL PROCESS.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN I KNOW I, I KNOW LIKE YOU GOT THE HIGH PROFILE WORK, LIKE THE 64 WIDENING, BIG IMPACT, LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING AND SO FORTH.
BUT I MEAN, MAINTENANCE IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR FUNDING TWO PRIORITY.
SO I MEAN, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE SUBMIT OUR BASE BUDGETS SO AS, AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY BASE THAT UPON THE BASE ON THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, THE CONTRACT WORK THAT WE CAN GET DONE IN A YEAR, UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WENT FROM 14,000 TO 7,500 AND THEN WE GOT 200 SOME ODD MORE JOBS.
SO IT WAS 77, 2 20 SOMETHING TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, WAS OF MAXIMUM MAIL ACROSS THE STATE.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE AS WE, UH, AS THE DEMAND GETS HIGHER AND HIGHER THAT SOME SOMETHING WILL SHAKE OUT DOWN THE ROAD ON, ON THAT.
BUT, UM, AS FOR THE BUDGET PIECE, UM, I HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR MAINTENANCE FUNDS.
UM, SO, SO WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, AS WORK COMES AVAILABLE AND CONTRACTORS, WE'RE ALL FIGHTING FOR THE SAME CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA AND TRYING TO GET WORK, UH, SCHEDULED TO SOMETIMES DIFFICULT, UM, TO GET ALL OF THAT DONE.
SO, UH, SPEAKING OF THAT, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DITCHING, WE HAD A CONTRACTOR IN THE AREA AS WELL HELPING US.
SO WE HAD TWO STAFF, TWO, TWO CREWS GOING AT ONE TIME.
UM, TRYING TO KEEP THAT GOING IS, IS SOMETIMES RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY COST SHARE, COST SHARING PROGRAM AND PROFFERS OR SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T GO ROADS SOMETIMES.
YEAH, IT JUST, JUST GETS DOWN THAT LA THAT PER LAST MILE WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUTTA THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR GET BACK TO THEIR HOME AND THEY GOTTA MANEUVER AROUND POTHOLES OR DITCHES THAT ARE OVERFLOWED AND THEY CAN'T SEE THE ROAD AND ALL THAT STUFF.
UM, SURE WE GET UP TO THE MAIN ROADS.
I MEAN, SO THERE'S AREAS IN THIS AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE'S AREAS THAT ARE TIDAL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OYSTER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S NOT BLOCKED, WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
RIGHT? BUT, BUT THE TYPICAL RAINSTORM WITH A HAS A, YOU KNOW, A STOPPED UP CULVERT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S CAUSING ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY QUICK TO RESPOND TO THOSE AND, AND IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS,
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YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY USUALLY COME OUT DURING THE STORM, UM, TO TRY TO UNSTOP THOSE, TRY TO AT LEAST MITIGATE THAT SAFETY ISSUE.AND AGAIN, JUST LOOKING FOR SOME RELIEF FOR, FOR OUR, FOR OUR FOLKS.
SO THAT WAS ALL I HAD ON MY LIST.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING POP UP? ALRIGHT.
MR. CAROL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR YOUR REPORT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT A LOT GOING ON.
[2 Capital Improvements Program. Receive presentation from Mark L. Bellamy, Interim County Administrator. ]
AGENDA.UH, MR. BELLAMY IS GOING TO REVIEW OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THIS YEAR.
RIGHT? I TURN THAT OVER TO YOU.
I'M GOING TO ASK THAT, UH, MS. OWENS OR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND GREG GELATO BUDGET CHIEF COME UP AS WELL.
WE HAVE, UM, TALKED TO YOU ALL, UH, OVER A COUPLE MEETINGS ABOUT OUR, UH, ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AND THE RESULTS OF THAT.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING ONLINE COMMENTS FROM THE BUDGET FAR, FAR MORE THAN WE USUALLY GET JUST THROUGH THE, THE, THROUGH THE PORTAL THAT THE PORTAL.
AND AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE, WE'VE DONE SOME VIDEO SHORTS, UH, TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
MS. NOLL, UH, MADE A GOOD INQUIRY ABOUT ARE WE RESPONDING TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE.
UH, JEANIE HAS BEEN WORKING ON RESPONDING TO ALL THOSE COMMENTS.
UH, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'VE PICKED SOME OF THE, UM, PARTICULARLY INTERESTING, I THINK I GOT IT.
UH, SO JEANIE ASKED THE STAFF TODAY TO MAKE A LITTLE COLLAGE OF SOME OF THE BUDGET SHORTS THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A REAL QUICK MOMENT AND SHOW THIS TO YOU.
GOT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CHARACTERS IN HERE AS STAFF AND I WORK ON THE 2025 FISCAL BUDGET.
WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY.
THE COUNTY HAS MANY FORMS OF GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
THE TWO LARGEST REVENUE SOURCES ARE THE REAL ESTATE TAX AS WELL AS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
AND THEY MAKE UP ABOUT 61% OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
TECHNICALLY, WE DON'T ACTUALLY BUDGET FOR A SURPLUS.
OUR GENERAL FUND IS BALANCED IN WHICH REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES ARE THE SAME EACH YEAR.
BUT WE DO CONSERVATIVELY BUDGET SO THAT WE PLAN FOR A SURPLUS.
THE STATE PROVIDES 52% OF OUR FUNDING.
UM, AND SO IN FY 24, UH, THAT'S $99 MILLION ON THE LOCAL SIDE.
THE COUNTY PROVIDES 34% OF OUR FUNDING, OR $61 MILLION, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDES 13% OF OUR FUNDING, OR $24 MILLION.
THE LAST INCREASE TO RESIDENTS FOR SOLID WASTE SERVICES WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
IN 2019, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR PROVIDERS TO DELIVER THESE SERVICES AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE.
THE COUNTY IS GOING TO INCREASE ENERGY EFFICIENCY BY DECREASING COSTS.
AND HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS BY A PRETTY MUCH A NUMBER OF METHODS.
IT'S OUR ACTIVE UTILITY REDUCTION PROJECTS, PARTICULARLY TOWARDS OUR FACILITIES AND OUR SANITARY SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET SEASON.
SHA CHARACTERS THERE,
SO WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE RUNNING ON THE TV, UH, CHANNEL THAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE ALSO USING THESE ON FACEBOOK, SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE BUDGET AND SOLICIT THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST.
AND THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT OF YOUR REQUEST, UH, TO HELP ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON THIS TOPIC.
AND THE NEXT TOPIC WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE CIP.
AS YOU RECALL LAST FRIDAY, WE WERE, WE WERE VERY ENGAGED IN WHAT WE WERE DOING AT THE RETREAT.
UH, WE HAD SCHEDULED, UH, A LITTLE BUDGET PREVIEW AND, UH, FORECASTING FROM, UH, THERESA AND GREG AND WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT.
SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT DOING WAS ADDING IT TO TONIGHT'S, UH, CIP MEETING.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THERESA AND GREG AND THAT'LL TRANSITION RIGHT OVER INTO CIP.
SO, UM, WE'RE HERE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT IS WE'RE GONNA GO OVER A FEW THINGS.
UM, LIKE MARK SAID, WE WANNA REVIEW, UM, OUR RELEVANT FINANCIAL POLICIES AND TALK ABOUT HOW THEY, UM, INTERACT WITH, WITH THE CIP PLAN.
UH, WE WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS DEALING IN THREE YEARS.
WE WANNA LOOK AT THE 23, HOW THE 23 ENDED, WHAT WE LOOK LIKE IN 24 AND WHAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR 25.
UM, MARK IS GONNA GO OVER, UM,
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THE PRELIMINARY MERIT, PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDED CIP.SO EACH YEAR, YOU ALL, UM, WE, WE COME TO THE BOARD LATE NOVEMBER.
UM, WE'VE REVIEWED THE, UH, BOARD POLICIES AND PART OF THOSE BOARD POLICIES IS THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES.
AND SO THERE ARE THREE KEY FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT, UM, IN DOING THE BUDGET AND DOING THE CIP PLAN.
UM, THESE ARE REVIEWED, LIKE I SAID, ON A YEARLY BASIS.
OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS ORIGINALLY HELPED US DO THESE AND THEY ALSO REVIEW THEM ON A, ON A ANNUAL BASIS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US, WHICH WE IN TURN MAKE TO YOU ALL.
SO OUR FIRST ONE IS THE DEBT POLICY.
UM, SO WHAT OUR DEBT POLICY SAYS IS THAT WE WILL NOT FUND CURRENT OPERATIONS WITH ANY LONG-TERM DEBT OR TAX ANTICIPATION NOTES.
SO WE WANNA FUND OUR OPERATIONS WITH CURRENT REVENUE, NOT WITH DEBT.
SO THE TERM OF ANY ISSUE OF OUR DEBT, UM, SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE USEFUL LIFE OF A CAPITAL PROJECT.
SO, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT'S MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, $50,000, IT'S IN OUR CIP, BUT THE USEFUL LIFE IS FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA COME TO YOU ALL AND SAY WE'RE GONNA DEBT FINANCE, THAT WE'RE GONNA CASH FUND OR PAY GO FINANCE THAT.
UM, GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED DEBT PRINCIPLE WILL NOT EXCEED 3% OF NET ASSESSED VALUE OF TACTICAL PROPERTY.
THAT IS, UM, A POLICY THAT BASICALLY SAYS, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY? SO WE NEVER WANT THAT TO BE MORE THAN 3% OF OUR ASSESSED VALUE.
AND THEN OUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED DEBT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10% OF OUR BUDGETED GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
AND SO, UM, IN DOING OUR, OUR PLAN, NOT ONLY OUR OUR OPERATING BUDGET PLAN, BUT OUR CIP PLAN.
WE LOOK TO THESE DEBT POLICIES.
BULLET 0.3 IS ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY.
REAL ESTATE IS SAYS VALUE OF REAL ESTATE.
SO OUR RESERVE POLICY, THAT'S OUR FUND BALANCE POLICY.
SO OUR FUND BALANCE POLICY SAYS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 12% OF THE FOLLOWING YEARS BUDGETED GENERAL EXP FUND EXPENDITURES.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT PROVIDES A WORKING CAPITAL AND A MARGIN OF SAFETY IN CASE FOR SOME REASON, OUR REVENUES, UM, OUR REVENUES DON'T MEET BUDGET.
UM, AND IT ALLOWS US TO, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT IF YOU WANNA WANNA SPEAK, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR OWN PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, UM, FINANCES.
UM, IT'S NOT TO BE USED FOR CURRENT REOCCURRING OPERATING EXPENDITURES OUTSIDE OF, OF POSSIBLY THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, TO DIP INTO IT IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
UM, IF WE USE IT FOR AN EMERGENCY, OUR POLICY SAYS WE NEED TO RETURN THAT TO 12% WITHIN TWO FISCAL YEARS.
SO WE'RE ON THE FIRST YEAR, I'M SORRY, NOW WE HAD 14% BEFORE.
THEN YOU GET UP TO 14% ON THE, ON, ON THE PREVIOUS BUDGET? NO, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD 12% SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
THE, OUR, OUR, OUR POLICY IS 12%.
YOU, YOU'RE TALKING POLICY, BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT ACTUALS.
I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT AROUND.
BUT THE ACTUAL, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING POLICY.
SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, SO IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 12%.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE CEILING BE? WOULD THE CEILING BE WHATEVER YOU WANTED TO, I MEAN, WHEN WE SAY MINIMUM 12%, BUT WE DON'T WANNA SEE IT RISE ABOVE.
WHAT THERE IS NO CEILING THAT'S IN POLICY.
WE NORMALLY, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP.
SO WHAT WE DO, IF WE DO HAVE A, A ABOVE THAT 12%, YOUR POLICY SAYS THAT THOSE FUNDS CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES OR OTHER NON-REOCCURRING THING.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.
WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING EACH YEAR.
SO THE ABOVE 12% IS CONSIDERED SURPLUS.
EXCESS FUND BALANCE, BUT NOT SURPLUS IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
THAT'S WHY YOU SAY WE WERE IN THE FIRST YEAR OF CURRENT EXIT, WE'RE GONNA TALK, WELL, A COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE'VE GOT SURPLUS AND WE'LL ASSOCIATE THE SURPLUS.
I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE THERE.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
ABOUT WHAT YOUR FUND BALANCE IS, AND YOUR RESERVE OR YOUR SURPLUS IS, RIGHT.
YOUR FUND BALANCE RESERVE IS WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 12%, YOU CAN USE THAT.
AND HOW YOU GET THAT IS BY HAVING MORE REVENUES THAN EXPENDITURES IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
YOU CAN GET THAT DELTA FROM THAT.
AND DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
SO AGAIN, PART OF THE POLICY SAYS THAT WE DO, UM, AS PART OF OUR, OUR FUNDING MODEL FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, THAT, THAT MARK'S GONNA GO OVER TODAY IS THAT WE DO USE PART,
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UM, THE SURPLUS FROM A PREVIOUS YEAR.WE USE THAT AS PART OF OUR FUNDING MODEL TO FUND THE NEXT YEAR'S CAPITAL, UH, PLAN.
SO HISTORICALLY, THIS IS WHERE THE SURPLUS COMES IN.
WE'VE HAD AN AVERAGE OF A THREE TO 5% SURPLUS IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, UM, OF, OF THE BUDGET.
OF A BUDGET, HISTORICALLY, ON AVERAGE THREE TO 5%.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE IS WHAT OUR TENURE SURPLUS HISTORY HAS BEEN.
SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 22, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 22, BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 22, YOU CAN SEE OUR SURPLUS HAS BEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN THREE TO 5% IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
SO, AS WE PREPARE THE BUDGET IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, WE'RE IN JANUARY OF, OF 24 RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROJECT REVENUE FOR JUNE OF 25.
SO WE ARE PROJECTING REVENUE FROM 18 MONTHS, 12 TO 18 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
SO IN 22, IN JANUARY OF 21, WE HAD EIGHT MONTHS WORTH OF SHUTDOWN OF, OF THE ECONOMY.
WE HAD, UM, THE VACCINE HAD COME OUT IN JANUARY FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS ONLY.
WE HAD A CHANGE IN, IN, UM, LEADERSHIP IN WASHINGTON.
WE HAD THE UKRAINE WAR, THE, UM, FEDS WERE DROP, YOU KNOW, HAD HAD AT THAT POINT DROPPED THE RATE REALLY LOW.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENED, WE ENDED UP WITH HUGE INFLATION.
SO WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE PREPARING THE BUDGET IN JANUARY OF 21, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE EFFECTS OF ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER WOULD BE.
WE TOOK A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH IN, IN PROJECTING OUR REVENUES, AS DID ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE NATION.
'CAUSE NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UM, AND PROJECTING REVENUE FOR 20, FOR 22.
THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED CONSUMER TAXES, WHICH ARE OUR SALES, OUR MEALS, AND ALL THE HIGHER INFLATION CAME IN AT NINE AND 10% BUSINESS LICENSE WENT UP.
ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WERE HIGHER THAN WE HAD THOUGHT IN JANUARY OF 21.
SO, UM, OUR, OUR REVENUE IN 22 WAS MUCH HIGHER.
BUT WE DID A LOT OF THINGS WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BENEFITS OF THE RISING PRICES.
WE ALSO SAW ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE SAW AN INCREASE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING, THE BUILDING OF THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING.
AND SO WE USED A LOT OF THAT SURPLUS IN 22 TO FUND CASH FUND THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING THAT WE DIDN'T DEBT SERVICE.
IF WE DON'T ISSUE DEBT, THEN THAT DOESN'T PUT A STRAIN ON FUTURE BUDGETS.
SO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO CASH FUND THAT INCREASE IN COST OF THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING.
WE CASH FUNDED, UM, FIRE STATION SEVEN MM-HMM.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ISSUE ANY DEBT FOR ANY OF THOSE AND PUT STRAIN ON, ON RESOURCES LATER.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE USED THAT 22 SURPLUS FOR.
IT WAS AN ANOMALY YEAR, WHICH IS WAS UNUSUAL.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO GREG AND HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ENDED IN 23 AND WHERE WE GO FORWARD.
SO AS THERESA MENTIONED, UH, WE'RE ALMOST ALWAYS DEALING IN THREE YEARS, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AT THE YEAR WE JUST CLOSED, LOOKING AT THE YEAR WE'RE IN NOW, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE YEAR WE'RE PLANNING FOR.
SO I'M GONNA START OUT WITH THE DISCUSSION OF FISCAL YEAR 23, WHICH WE JUST CLOSED, AND WHERE WE ENDED UP THE YEAR.
SO WE FINISHED FISCAL YEAR 23 WITH A TOTAL SURPLUS OF $7.7 MILLION.
UH, 6.2 MILLION OF THAT CAME FROM REVENUE AND 1.5 MILLION CAME FROM EXPENDITURE SAVINGS.
WHAT WAS THE MAJOR PART OF THE REVENUE? IT WAS YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE.
IT WAS SOME OF YOUR SALES TAX.
INTEREST WAS A HUGE PART OF IT BECAUSE WE HAD, I HADN'T BUDGETED AND OUR INTEREST WAS WELL OVER $2 MILLION, ONE OR $2 MILLION I THINK.
UM, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THAT CAME FROM.
SO OUT OF THAT 7.7 MILLION, UH, ABOUT 3.7 MILLION OF THAT WAS ALREADY COMMITTED.
SO AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, WE HAVE, AS PART OF OUR PLANNED FUNDING MODEL FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, UH, $2 MILLION WAS FOR THAT.
AND WE ALSO USED AN ADDITIONAL $900,000 BECAUSE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PLANNED TO USE RESERVES FROM CAPITAL TO BALANCE THE CAPITAL PLAN, BUT WE
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DIDN'T NEED TO DO THAT.UM, 180,000 OF THAT WAS RESTRICTED FUNDING.
AND THEN, UH, 587,500, UH, WAS ADDED TO FUND BALANCE.
AND THAT IS RELATED TO THAT 12% GENERAL FUND, UH, RESERVE REQUIREMENT THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED A FEW MINUTES AGO.
SO THAT LEFT A LITTLE OVER $4 MILLION FOR DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
GOING BACK REAL QUICK, THAT REVENUE PL SO THAT'S ALL, THAT WAS ALL, THAT WAS ALL DRIVEN BY THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THE, UH, MOST OF IT WAS DRIVEN BY EITHER INTEREST, SALES TAX, OR CONSUMER TAXES.
MOST OF IT, THE NET DIFFERENCE IN A REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY WAS ONLY ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS ON IT.
SO, AS THERESA SAID BEFORE, THE THE BEST PRACTICE FOR USE OF SURPLUS FUNDS AT YEAR END IS FOR ONE-TIME FUNDING NON-RECURRING EXPENSES.
UH, SO WE TRANSFERRED $750,000 TO SOLID WASTE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT LATER.
UH, WE ALSO TRANSFERRED $250,000 TO THE WORKERS' COMP FUND.
UH, WE SET ASIDE $250,000 FOR LITIGATION COSTS AND THEN 860,000 FOR ADDITIONAL CAPITAL RESERVES AND 1.5 MILLION SPECIFICALLY FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO THAT LEFT US A, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN $500,000 FOR DEPARTMENTAL REQUESTS AND THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE USED FOR DEGREE PROGRAMS AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING AS WELL AS SOME ONE TIME REPLACEMENT OF SOME FIRE AND EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT.
CAN YOU GIMME A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF WHAT THAT X 0.5 FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, WHAT SAMPLE OF THOSE PROJECTS? WE HAVE A LIST OF THE REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS AND SOME, UM, SO WE'RE TALKING SIDEWALK, BIKE, BIKE PATH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
NOW, AS WE'RE DOING MORE AND WE'RE FINDING, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THOSE COSTS ARE, ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY ESTIMATED.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO TRY, SO WE COULD DO ALL OF THEM.
WE'RE PUSHING MONEY TO TRANSPORTATION.
CAN'T IMAGINE IT BEING MORE, HAVE THE TYPICAL PROJECT OVERRUNS THAT A CORPORATION WOULD HAVE.
WE HAVE THE EXTRA FUNDING REQUEST.
UM, SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE CURRENT YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 24.
SO WE'RE A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THAT YEAR NOW.
SO THIS IS A REVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING SO FAR IS THAT PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES ARE STILL HIGHER THAN IN THE PAST.
UH, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE TRENDING DOWN.
UM, AS THERESA MENTIONED, OUR INTEREST INCOME IS HIGHER THAN BEFORE.
'CAUSE OF THE HIGHER INTEREST RATE IN MY, YOU SAY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REFER TO THE PERSONAL PROPERTY INFLATIONARY COSTS, WHAT IS THAT? THE BASICALLY VEHICLES AND ALL ARE STILL, ARE, YOU KNOW, TRENDING STILL HIGHER.
YOU STILL CAN'T BUY, LET'S SAY AN F-150 TRUCK YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT THREE YEARS AGO FOR $25,000 IS IS $50,000 NOW.
AND THAT'S STILL STAYING UP THERE.
SO AS PEOPLE WERE BUYING MORE VEHICLES, WE'RE STILL SEEING THOSE HIGHER, HIGHER COST NEW VEHICLE.
SO THIS WOULD IMPLY THIS GOING UP YEAR, YEAR AFTER YEAR.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT INFLATIONARY COST AS OPPOSED TO A NEW NORMAL, WE DO, NORMAL IS A $50,000 TRUCK AS OPPOSED TO A 25.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THE VALUES DROP, WE'RE SEEING USED CAR VALUES, WE'RE SEEING THINGS TRENDING OR WE'RE SEEING, I CAN'T SAY WE'RE SEEING, THEY'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, NEW CARS ARE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING, WHICH IS DECREASING IN VALUE EACH YEAR.
BUT THE, THE BASE IS STILL HIGHER.
YOU TALKING ABOUT USED CAR OR NEW? UM, I'M SAYING THAT THE COST OF A NEW CAR IS STILL STAYING UP THERE, BUT USED CARS ARE DOING WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD NORMALLY THINK AND DECLINING IN BATHROOM, DECLINING IN VALUE IS WHAT IS WHAT IS WHAT THE COMMISSION, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING SLOWER, BUT THE FLOOR SLOWER THAN HAS BEEN RAISED.
SO YOU'RE DECLINING NOW, BUT FROM A HIGHER VALUE OPPOSED.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET A NEW TRUCK FOR 50 GRAND, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S THE BASEMENT.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TIRES OR ANY COMPUTER IN IT.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? THE ONE 50 IS THE ONE I CAN'T AFFORD.
SO, UH, WE'RE ALSO, UH, STARTING TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THE CLOSURE OF DOMINION POWER.
AND THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE IN FUTURE YEARS AS THEY SHUT DOWN OR OR DISMANTLE THE REST OF THEIR EQUIPMENT.
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WE ARE SEEING A SLOWDOWN IN GROWTH.WHAT WE GETTING YEAR AFTER YEAR ON, UH, FROM DOMINION POWER USED TO BE LIKE ABOUT 1.7 MILLION, WASN'T IT? OH, I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN MY OFFICE.
SO IT'S SLOWLY HAVE JUST SLOWLY DRIED UP, OR IS IT JUST KIND OF HIT THE LAST, BUT IT ACTUALLY, IN, IN 22, THE VALUE WENT UP AND THEN WE GOT THE AMOUNTS FOR 23, WHICH COME OUT SEPTEMBER AND NOW THEY'RE DOWN.
THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION ASSESSES THAT, THAT STUFF.
BUT WE'RE SEEING IT GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING, I MEAN, OTHER THAN LAND VALUE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY STILL HAVE SOME, SOME, THEY STILL HAVE SOME PREFERRED PROPERTY ON THERE.
BUT THE BUILDING IS STILL THERE AND THEY STILL HAVE THAT VALUED ON THE, ON THE THING SINCE IT HADN'T BEEN DEMOLISHED.
DO YOU KNOW HOW HOW FAR THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT PROPERTY DOWN? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA DEMOLISH THE WHOLE THING.
ARE THEY NOT? WHAT WAS THAT? THEY'RE GONNA DEMOLISH THE WHOLE THING.
THE, THE BILL, THE PLANT, THE REACTOR PLANT, WHATEVER IT, THE REACTOR OUT THERE.
HAVE YOU HEARD WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, THE TURBINE MARK.
HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING? ANYTHING I HEARD THEY, THEY WERE HOLDING ON THAT LAST PLANT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING NEW REGULATION, NATURAL GAS, WHEN I THINK THEY'RE HOLDING FOR, UH, PEAK DEMAND.
THAT THEY MAY NOT TAKE THAT DOWN.
UM, SO, UH, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT CONSUMER TAXES ARE SLOWING IN GROWTH BUT NOT DECLINING.
SO WE ARE, UH, ANTICIPATING A CONSERVATIVE SURPLUS IN CONSUMER TAXES AND THEN PERMITS AND STATE AND FEDERAL REVENUES OR MEETING BUDGET.
I WOULD ADD TO, BEFORE HE MOVES ON THAT, THAT, UH, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED TO THE ECONOMY THAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, UH, MRS. NOLAN AND I HEARD AT THE VACO CONFERENCE THIS YEAR IS THAT, UH, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE HOLDING STEADY, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING THE GROWTH THAT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE.
UM, SO GIVEN THAT OUR PRELIMINARY REVENUE PROJECTION FOR THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 24, UH, AND THIS ASSUMES NO CHANGES IN RATES OR FEES, UH, IS $181.5 MILLION, WHICH WOULD PROJECT, UH, A SURPLUS OF ABOUT $6.9 MILLION OVER BUDGET.
UM, 2 MILLION OF THAT, AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IS PLANNED FOR CIP.
AND THEN OF COURSE ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE SAVINGS WOULD PROVIDE US SOME ADDITIONAL CUSHION THERE.
IT WAS THE 23, UH, PROJECTED REVENUE THAT IS THE 24 PROJECTED REVENUE.
WHAT WAS THE 23? UH, THE 23 ACTUAL REVENUE ONE 70 SOMETHING FIVE.
THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 1 71 SLIDE.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S ON THE SLIDE.
YEAH, YOU WANT THE ACTUAL REVENUE ITSELF? I'M PULL FORWARD BACKWARDS.
I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, I'M, I CAN'T SEE IT.
UH, AM I DOING IT RIGHT? YEAH, YOU WE'RE LOOKING FOR THREE PUT BACKWARDS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN THERE.
I HAVE A HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX SEVENTY 6 MILLION.
SO NOW TO PREVIEW FISCAL YEAR 25.
SO OUR MAJOR EXPENDITURE DRIVERS, UH, OR LABOR COSTS, UH, COST OF SUPPORTING THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND THEN FIXED COSTS LIKE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, DEBT PAYMENTS, AND OUR CASH CAPITAL COMMITMENTS.
THIS IS, THIS IS NUMBERS THAT HAVE COME OFF THE, THE ADOPTED 24 BUDGET.
'CAUSE WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THE 25.
AND THESE ARE, UH, TYPICAL OF A GIVEN YEAR, WHICH IS WHY I BRING IT UP.
UM, SO TAKEN IN TOTAL, THESE REPRESENT ABOUT 97% OF THE BUDGET.
AND THESE ARE RELATIVELY FIXED COSTS.
SO AS WE WERE DEVELOPING, OR AS WE ARE DEVELOPING OUR FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, UH, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING.
SO WE KNOW THAT, UH, THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME REAL ESTATE TAX CUT.
UM, WE'RE BALANCING THAT AGAINST THESE, THESE OTHER ITEMS ON THE LIST LIKE INFLATIONARY
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COSTS THAT ARE DRIVING UP OUR EXPENDITURES, UM, CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY CITIZENS AND SUPPORTING THE SCHOOLS.WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE, OR WE SUSPECT THERE'S GOING TO BE A HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE.
AND WE, WE KNOW, UH, BECAUSE THIS YEAR THEY RESET THE RATES THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM CONTRIBUTIONS.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S GONNA BE? UH, THE VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS? THE HEALTH INSURANCE.
UM, WE HAVE A MEETING ON FRIDAY WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE ADVISORS AND UM, IN THE EMAIL THEY SAID THAT THE LAST QUARTER WAS NOT GOOD, WHICH MEANS, UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'LL SEE ON FRIDAY.
SO THE QUESTION IS GONNA BE ASKED SOONER LATER HERE, NOT TONIGHT, BUT MAYBE IN THE SUBSEQUENT BOARD MEETING.
IS THAT THE HEALTH HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASES? IS THAT DUE TO POOR HEALTH ON OUR, UH, BY OUR FOLKS? OR IS IT JUST THE INDUSTRY INCREASE? SO I'M NOT, I'M, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A, A QUESTION AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
IT'S USUALLY INDUSTRY STANDARD AND I I CAN SAY I SAW IT IN MY PROFESSIONAL AVENUE ACROSS WHEN I YEAH.
IT'S USUALLY AN INDUSTRY STANDARD ON THAT.
SO THEN JUST AROUND THAT, OUT, LET ME LET BRING UP SOMETHING.
SO THE, OVER THE YEARS YOU, SO YOU CAN BE AWARE OF THIS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE STAFF, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT 700 CHANGE MAYBE, RIGHT? I GOT THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
SO IF YOU GET BASED ON, NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS A PORTION OF THE INSURANCE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PEOPLE, I MAY BE OFF A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT I IS THAT WHAT KIND OF SELF-INSURED IN A WAY? OKAY.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE HAVE THE INSURANCE CASE OR SOME BIG, BIG CATASTROPHIC EVENT.
NOW OVER THE YEARS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT, UH, 'CAUSE I'M GOING TO, I, I KEEP CAVEATING THIS BECAUSE OF MY AGE, BUT, UH, THE UM, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEBODY THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, GETS MESSED UP AND IT CAN END UP COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY, IT'LL TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO JACK UP OUR INSURANCE.
AND, UH, AND THE, AND I'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE SCHOOLS.
SO THEY HAVE BABIES AND SO THEY HAVE MORE, THEY HAVE HIGHER COST AND THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE A DISPARITY, BUT SOMETIMES BETWEEN WHAT THE COUNTY DOES AND WHAT THE, WHAT THE, THE SCHOOLS DO THAT WE END UP HAVING IN THE FUNDING REQUEST.
SO, UH, TO ME IT, IT TOOK A LOT OF YEARS THOUGH TO, TO KIND OF REALLY GET THAT OUT, TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH IN OUR, IN OUR, AND I SAID IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL STAFF THAT, UH, THAT YOU END UP WITH ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WITH A SERIES PROBLEMS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RATE IS REALLY GONNA GO UP.
BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS SLIDE, SIR.
SO FIRST BULLET, REAL ESTATE TAX RATE CUT, COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION TO HAVE GIVEN THE, THE ASSESS THE ASSESSED VALUE WENT UP AS A BALANCE.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA FIND THERE TAKING A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE NEED AN ESTIMATE OF SOME SORT ON THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX SIDE SO WE DON'T GET BIT LIKE WE DID IN 22.
WELL WE GOT A LOT MORE REVENUE THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED AND PEOPLE GOT BIG BILLS.
SO I THINK ANOTHER POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION IS GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF ADDRESS ADDRESSING THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE TOO.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A BULLET POINT ON HERE.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT SHOULD BE.
AND THE THIRD THING, AND I'VE BEEN HOPPING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIT IT IN, IS GETTING RID OF THAT, UH, REGISTRATION, CAR REGISTRATION FEE.
AND THAT'S, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON HERE TOO, BUT THAT'S, SO MR. R THAT, THAT IS CONSIDERATION THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO A CONCLUSION ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE MORE GENEROUS IN THE REAL ESTATE CUT, LESS GENEROUS IN THE REAL ESTATE CUT AND DO THE CAR FEE ATTACK, THE FEE, THE STICKER FEE AS WE CALL IT, OR, OR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE.
AND WHAT, WHAT DOES IT LOOK TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EASIEST WAY FORWARD? SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THREE OF THOSE.
YEAH, JUST DIDN'T SAY IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T SAY IT HERE, BUT WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THREE AND THAT'S GONNA BE, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, REALLY DOWN THE BOARD, UH, A DECISION THAT THE PUBLIC CAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL UNDERSTAND ALL OF IT.
I MEAN, YOU TRADE OFF A, OF YOU RIGHT? THE THE OLD CAR TAX OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL THAT.
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DO WE USED TO CALL THAT REGISTRATION FEE? WE GOT RID OF THE, CALL IT ANYWAY.WE GET RID OF THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO JACK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAVE TO JACK UP ANOTHER TAX.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A BALANCING ACT.
AND, UM, SO UNDER THAT REGISTRATION FEE, HOW MUCH, HOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT EACH YEAR? ABOUT $1.7 MILLION FROM THAT REGISTRATION.
WHICH IS ABOUT, ABOUT A PENNY AND QUARTER ON THE TAX RATE.
SO WE LOSE THAT THEN WE, YOU KNOW, THEN IF, IF WE PULL IT DOWN JUST TO GET RID OF IT, I MEAN, JUST GETTING RID OF IT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
UH, BUT THEN YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND TELL US.
WELL, I, I'VE MADE, EXCUSE ME, I'VE MADE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE MAY PHASE THAT OUT INSTEAD OF JUST CHOP IT OFF AND AS WE LOOK THROUGH THE MILL RATE THE BUDGET, RIGHT.
AND THIS CAR TAX, TO ME, IF WE CAN PHASE IT OUT, MAYBE IT WON'T BE SUCH A HIT.
UM, AND WE CAN BALANCE THAT OUT WITH THE REAL ESTATE TAX.
SO, AND IT'S THE REAL ESTATE TAX, I THINK IT, IT HITS MORE PEOPLE.
WELL IT HITS EVERYBODY THAT LIVES HERE.
BUT THEN A LOT, LOT OF HOMES HAVE MULTIPLE CARS TOO.
SO THEY GET HIT MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THAT REGISTRATION FEE.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MULTIPLE CARS.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A BLENDED, IT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
RIGHT? IT IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GONNA BE A BALANCING ACT ACROSS THE BOARD.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE RIGHT BLEND? WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS JUST HAVE ONE BULLET WE SHOOT AND HOPE THAT HITS THE TARGET.
BETTER TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE OPTIONS AND KIND OF BLEND THAT IN, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS OF APPROACHING THE REGISTRATION FEE.
MAYBE YOU PHASE IT DOWN, MAYBE YOU SAY, ALL RIGHT, LISTEN, MAYBE YOU CAP IT OFF.
IT'S JUST YOU, YOU JUST PAY ONE FOR ONE VEHICLE IN YOUR, IN YOUR, IN YOUR FLEET INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE.
THERE ARE D DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING IT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOOKING, HOW DO WE REDUCE THE OUT-OF-POCKET TAX EXPENSES BURDEN ON, ON COUNTY RESIDENCE? SO I, I DON'T, IT, TO ME IT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE, WHAT, HOW MUCH CHECK DO I WRITE ACROSS THE BOARD AS OPPOSED TO WHAT A RATE IS? YOU KNOW, AM I, YOU KNOW, HAS IT BEEN DRIVEN DOWN SOME? SO HOWEVER WE ACHIEVE THAT, AGAIN, DON'T WANNA SHOOT JUST ONE BULLET.
RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR A REASONABLE INCREASE TO COVER INFLATION, BUT NOT EXTRAORDINARY.
SO THE FACT THAT REAL ESTATE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL COMING FROM.
BUT THE FACT THAT REAL ESTATE IS UP 20, 25% HAS EVERYBODY WORRIED.
AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT A, A DRAMATIC SURPRISE ON REAL ESTATE.
SO THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION I HAVE THAT WE'LL NEED TO JUST, I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS IS, SO WE WILL GET RID OF THE CAR TAX EVENTUALLY PHASE OUT.
WHY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING FOR THAT, IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST SAVING MONEY.
I MEAN, IS IT JUST A PAIN IN THE BUTT OR IS IT, I MEAN, WHY? BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN SAVE THE MONEY BY JUST CUTTING THE TAX RATE.
I MEAN THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE.
BUT SO IS IT TO, IS IT TO KIND OF EQUALLY SHARE THE BURDEN FOR THOSE THAT DON'T PAY REAL ESTATE TAX OR, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME JUSTIFICATION.
I MEAN, SOME REASON BEHIND IT.
WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY MORE WORK FOR THE EMPLOYEES.
I DON'T THINK WHAT 30, WHATEVER THE DOLLARS ARE ON IT THING.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST, I'M SAYING I, IT'S JUST GOTTA BE SOME REASON BEHIND IT OTHER THAN JUST LOOKS PRETTY.
WELL ONE OF THE THINGS A ABOUT THAT TAX ON THE CAR IS I'VE ASKED MARK TO FIND OUT WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE DONE.
'CAUSE WE GOT RID OF THE DECAL YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE BOARD, WE GOT RID OF THE, YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS CALLED? BUT WE KEPT THE TAX IN.
IS IT, WHAT IS IT CALLED? IT'S A VEHICLE LICENSE FEE.
RIGHT? WHAT VEHICLE LICENSE FEE.
WE KEPT THAT ANYWAY, BUT I WONDER WHAT AS EVERYBODY, EXCUSE ME, AS EVERYBODY ELSE GAVE UP THE DECAL, WHAT DID THEY DO ABOUT THE REASON ABOUT THAT FEE? ARE WE, UH, THE LONE RANGER OUT THERE WHERE WE STILL HAVE IT AND NOBODY ELSE HAS IT? OR IS IT STILL THE SAME RIGHT.
FOR EVERYBODY? SO THERESA DID THE HOMEWORK ON THAT.
THERE ARE THREE LOCALITIES THAT ARE NOT CHARGING THAT.
UH, SHE COULD SHARE THAT IF YOU RECALL OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
IT IS WILLIAMSBURG, GLOUCESTER, AND PSIN.
AND THE JANE CITY COUNTY HAS AN INTERESTING TWIST ON IT AS WELL.
UH, THEY JUST CHARGE ONE TIME WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REGISTER THE VEHICLE.
THAT'S COUNTY WASN'T THAT YEAR AFTER YEAR? WASN'T THAT A, WASN'T THERE A SUPPLEMENT TO THAT FROM THE STATE? NO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.
SEE THAT'S, THAT WAS SEVEN $50 MILLION CAPPED.
YOU PAY ONE TIME WHEN YOU REGISTERED A VEHICLE THE FIRST TIME, YOU NEVER SEE IT AGAIN.
SO, SO AGAIN, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE THINGS, BUT WE, WE WILL HAVE TO BALANCE IT WITH WHAT IT CREATES FOR STAFF TOO.
WE DON'T WANNA CREATE AN EXTRA BURDEN ON A STAFF.
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MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT TO WE, WE WANT TO BE EFFICIENT.RIGHT? WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE SOMETHING COMPLICATED WE WANT.
SO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE EASILY DIGEST WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AND WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.
SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR REVENUE OUTLOOK AND ASSUMPTIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
SO WE ARE REMAINING CONSERVATIVE.
UH, WE'RE WEARY OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A SHORT TERM OR NEAR TERM RECESSION.
UM, WE'RE LEAVING OUR INTEREST INCOME FLAT.
UH, WE DON'T EXPECT INTEREST RATES TO GO UP AT THIS POINT, BUT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, THEY MAY GO DOWN SOME, UM, I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CLOSURE OF DOMINION POWER.
WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT AS THEY SHUT DOWN AND DISMANTLE MORE EQUIPMENT.
AND ALSO, UH, AS I MENTIONED, CONSUMER TAXES, GROWTH IS SLOWING.
SO WE'VE GOT CONSERVATIVE INCREASES BAKED INTO OUR ASSUMPTIONS THERE.
AND THEN NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN STATE AND FEDERAL REVENUE.
SO AGAIN, THIS ASSUMES THAT THERE IS NO CHANGE IN RATES OR FEES.
UH, OUR PRELIMINARY REVENUE ESTIMATE FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 FIVES 191.2 MILLION, UM, WHICH COMPARED TO THE ADOPTED 24 BUDGET WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF 16.6 MILLION OR ROUGHLY 9.5%.
THIS GOT THE PASS THROUGH MONEY IN IT.
RIGHT? 1 9 1, YOU GET THE $191 MILLION FOR REVENUE.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THERE'S NO PASS THROUGH MONEY IN THAT TRANSFER OF THAT.
THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL FUND ONLY.
AND THEN ALSO, JUST FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE JAMES CITY COUNTY CONSOLIDATION IN THIS, UM, BY AGREEMENT.
ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES FROM THAT, THEY ARE GOING TO PAY US AND THAT REVENUE SHOULD OFFSET THOSE EXPENDITURES.
SO WE DON'T WANNA DISTORT ADOPT TO, TO COMPARE TO YEAR TO YEAR SINCE WE DID THAT.
UM, SO I MENTIONED BEFORE THE SOLID WASTE FUND.
UM, EVERYTHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT UP TILL NOW WAS GENERAL FUND SOLID WASTE FUND IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH MEANS IT IS NOT FUNDED FROM TAXES, IT'S FUNDED FROM USER FEES.
AND I THINK WE HEARD IN ONE OF THE VIDEO CLIPS THERE THAT THE LAST FEE INCREASE WE HAD WAS IN 2019, AT WHICH TIME WE ALSO SET SOME REDUCED RATES FOR CITIZENS WHO ARE 65 AND OVER.
UM, SINCE THEN, OUR COSTS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, PARTICULARLY RECYCLING COSTS AND THE COST OF FUEL TAP FEE, TAP FEE CHANGES.
THAT'S SEWER RIGHT? THAT'S SEWER.
SO WE'RE PLANNING, DON'T THINK WE'VE CHANGED THE TAX FEES.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RECYCLING COSTS GOING UP.
WHAT ACTUALLY, HOW MUCH ACTUALLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PERCENTAGE WISE FROM PAST YEARS? I AM NOT SURE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW, I KNOW CHESAPEAKE CUT IT OUT FOR A WHILE AND, AND SOME, AND I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT VIRGINIA BEACH WAS THINKING ABOUT THEY ARE CUTTING IT OUT.
SO OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE RECYCLING CONTRACT ON THE BACK END OF THE RECYCLING CONTRACT, THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A PROCESSING FEE.
WHEN YOU COULD MAKE MONEY ON RECYCLING AND, AND, AND SELL IT ON THE MARKET, WE WOULD PAY UP TO $0 ON THE RECYCLING FEE.
THEY WOULD TAKE IT ON THE RECYCLING FEE.
WE WOULD GET THAT BACK AS A CREDIT UHHUH.
THE RECYCLING FEE TODAY IS RIGHT AT $95 TO RECYCLE IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE LANDFILL FEE, BASICALLY $50.
SO RECYCLING FEE IS TWICE AS MUCH AS TAKING IT TO THE LANDFILL.
THE PROBLEM WAS, IS THEY CHANGED THE BAR ON THE RECYCLING THAT YOU COULD SELL FOR CONTAMINATION.
SO CHINA WOULDN'T TAKE CONTAMINATED RECYCLING.
AND THE MERS THEY HAVE NOW CAN'T WORK IT OUT TECHNOLOGY WISE.
LIKE WHEN YOU GO TO A TIDEWATER FIBER CORPORATION MM-HMM.
SO THE PROCESSING FEE HAS GONE UP ON THE BACK END.
BUT IF YOU DON'T RECYCLE, WHERE DOES THE RECYCLING PRODUCT GO? WELL, YOU COULD INTO THE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY LANDFILL.
WELL, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY STILL OFFER RECYCLING AND BULK IN CONTAINERS.
AND, UM, THE COUNTY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T, UM, MAKE YOU RECYCLE.
SO YOU COULD ALWAYS INCREASE RECYCLING COSTS AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO CONTINUE DO IT COULD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE RE TO RECYCLE.
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CAN ALWAYS RECYCLE AT THE TRANSFER STATION.THEY'VE GOT THE CARDBOARD BOX.
THE REASON THE TRANSFER STATION RECYCLING IS SO CLEAN IS THERE'S A STAFF PERSON THERE.
THE CONTAINERS ARE DIFFERENT WHERE YOU, YOU CAN'T SHOVEL A PLASTIC BOTTLE IN WHERE THE CARDBOARD GOES.
AND A LOT OF THE RECYCLING ON LIKE HANOCK AND KMAR KMAR IS IN AN ACTUAL CONTAINER WITH SOMEBODY THERE THROUGH FSA.
SO, BUT THAT'S JUST COVERING IT QUICKLY.
COUNTY CITIZENS USE ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIES LIKE JCC OR WAYNESBURG, I WOULDN'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE IT THERE IF IT WAS RECYCLING.
AND THEN SOME OF THAT MAY HAVE TO BE DUE IF YOU'RE A RESIDENCE.
I, I DON'T KNOW THEIR INDIVIDUAL RULES THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU SHOW UP TO HAMPTON, THEY'RE GONNA PAY, YOU'RE GONNA PAY WHATEVER THEIR GATE RATE IS TO THROW AWAY TRASH.
AND WE HAVE A GATE RATE, WHICH IS LESS FOR A TRASH SUBSCRIBER THAN IT WOULD BE FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, THE HARSH REALITY IS IF THERE'S NO MARKET GLOBALLY FOR RECYCLABLE PRODUCTS, YOU CAN PUT IN THE RECYCLABLE BIN ALL YOU WANT, BUT NOBODY ON THE OTHER END IS RECYCLING IT.
WE CAN TAKE IT THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESSING, BUT THE COMPANIES THAT DOES RECYCLING, IF THEY'RE NOT DOING IT, IT JUST DOESN'T GET RECYCLED.
IT JUST, AND, AND IT COSTS US MONEY BECAUSE IT COSTS THEM MONEY TO DO IT.
SO IT JUST, IT'S A HARSH REALITY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOBODY WANTS IT, IT JUST DOESN'T GET RECYCLED.
EVEN THOUGH YOU IN THE GREEN BOX, THE OTHER END IS NOT RECEIVING IT.
TOM AND I AND WAYNE, WERE ALL DOWN AT TFC UH, RECYCLE SITE, UH, IN DECEMBER AND WE'RE SHOCKED AT THE AMOUNT OF PLASTIC THAT, UH, THEY CAN'T RECYCLE.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST HT P AND T AND PET.
SO MOST OF THE 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE LABELS ON YOUR PLASTIC RECYCLE.
SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE PUTTING THOSE IN YOUR CRASH THROUGH THE LANDFILL CHEAPER.
WE, YOU KNOW, OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM IDENTIFIES A LIST ABOUT THINGS.
I MEAN, SOME REALLY STRANGE, I MEAN THAT'S STRANGE, BUT THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE DON'T, DON'T CRUSH CANS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THAT MACHINE ANYTHING ARE PAPER PULL CANS.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S GLASS.
I NEVER RECYCLED GLASS ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT GOES TO LANDFILL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT WE, I THINK WITH CHINA CUT IT, THEY CUT THE, THE WHOLE INDUSTRY LIKE 50 SOME PERCENT, 57% OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE ARE COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT STILL DO RECYCLING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME CITIES, UH, I THINK IOWA WHITE IN ONE PARTICULAR HAS STOPPED RECYCLING ALTOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE COSTS.
AND IS IT WORTH THE VALUE? AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, UH, TELL OUR CONSTITUENTS, HEY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GONNA RECYCLE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S COSTING, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT IT'S WORTH.
IF IT ACTUALLY GOT RECYCLED, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD DISCUSSION POINT.
BUT A LOT OF IT JUST ISN'T BEING RECYCLED.
IT'S JUST GOING FROM THAT RECYCLE BIN RIGHT INTO THE LANDFILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO TAKE IT.
WELL, THEY WERE TAKING OUT LAST TIME, I, THE LAST NUMBER I HEARD WAS LIKE 400 TONS A MONTH OUTTA YORK COUNTY AND RECYCLED, UH, RECYCLED STUFF.
AND, WELL, I THINK IF WE GO THAT WAY, WE HAVE TO ASK THE CITIZENS TO GET CITIZEN INPUT WHETHER THEY WANNA RECYCLE IT OR NOT.
THEY'LL GIVE US INPUT WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU? WELL, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
I WORRY MORE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT THAN YOU DO, I THINK.
SO THERE, I CLEARLY, THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS.
SO WE DO HAVE A DETAILED WORK SESSION PLANNED FOR MARCH 5TH, AND THOSE, UH, WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR RECOMMENDED BUDGET AT THE MARCH 19TH MEETING.
SO, LOOKING BEYOND FISCAL YEAR 2025 COMMON THEMES, YOU'VE HEARD THESE BEFORE, UH, WE WANNA MAINTAIN A ROBUST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
UH, ALWAYS WANNA HAVE COMPETITIVE EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AND HEALTH INSURANCE.
UH, WE'RE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A POSSIBLE RECESSION NEAR TERM.
AND, UH, IN THE HIGHER INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN, OUR BORROWING COSTS WILL BE HIGHER THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
WELL, THOSE INTEREST RATES SHOULD START COMING DOWN SOMETIME THIS YEAR.
I THINK RECESSION PAST 2024 IS PROBABLY SLIM UNLESS WE HAVE ANOTHER WORLD WAR THREE OR SOMETHING.
SO ONCE A ONCE A QUARTER OVER THE REST OF THE YEAR, IT WON'T START UNTIL THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER APRIL.
SO THEY COULD DROP IT ONCE A MONTH AFTER, OR ONCE EVERY SIX WEEKS OR SO AFTER THAT.
BUT THEY, THEY AT FIRST START, LAST I SAW WAS ON THE STREET WAS SIX TIMES
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NEXT THIS YEAR.AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
THE FED'S ALREADY SAID THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I THINK THE BEST WE CAN EXPECT IS THREE HALF OF THAT.
AND I WOULD THINK AFTER 2024, I DON'T SEE ANY RECESSION UNLESS SOMETHING WE HAD ANOTHER PANDEMIC OR SOMETHING.
SO I'M, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO MR. BELLAMY TO DISCUSS HIS RECOMMENDED CIP, WHICH WAS PREPARED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POLICIES WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE AND ALSO CONSIDERING OUR CURRENT PROJECTED FINANCIAL POSITION.
THANKS FOR DEFERRING A REVIEW TONIGHT.
SO, A COUPLE RANDOM COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
SO I WANNA REMIND YOU ALL THAT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE WENT FROM HAVING A 10 YEAR CIP MM-HMM.
THE EXPENSE OF IT ALL, AS MR. SHEPHERD POINTED OUT AT A TIME, WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
AND SUBSEQUENTLY, WE WENT BACK TO SIX YEARS AND CAME UP WITH A FUNDING MODEL THAT SHOWED US THAT WHAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR WAS ATTAINABLE FINANCIALLY AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING A RANDOM WISHLIST.
SO, AND THIS SAME IS TRUE TODAY, THAT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS A SIX YEAR CIP THAT HAS BEEN RUN THROUGH OUR FINANCIAL MODEL THAT IS ATTAINABLE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD.
SO I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UH, AS HE GETS READY TO RETIRE, UH, THE CIP UH, PROCESS BELONGS TO MR. CROSS.
YOU MIGHT GIVE HIM A LITTLE PAT ON THE BACK.
UH, HE'S DONE THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND DOES, DOES A GREAT JOB AT IT.
UH, I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU BEFORE WE GO FORWARD THAT WE PROVIDED THIS CIP IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO IT'S BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE, WHICH IS, WE'VE SENT IT BACK TO YOU AGAIN JUST IN CASE YOU'VE FORGOTTEN WHERE YOU HAD SEEN IT.
SO YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
SO, AS I SAID, SIX YEAR PLAN, WHAT THE ACTION FOR YOU WILL BE IN MAY IS TO APPROVE THE 2025, UH, PORTION OF THE SIX YEAR PLAN.
THE OTHER FIVE YEARS IS BASICALLY A PLANNING TOOL SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SPEND IN 25, HOW IT, UH, DOVETAILS WITH EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IT.
SO WHAT I WANNA GO OVER TONIGHT IS THE ACTUAL PROJECTS, UH, AND HOW THEY'RE FUNDED.
THIS WILL BE IN THE ORANGE BAND THERE.
THAT'S THE 2025 YEAR THAT YOU'LL BE ASKED TO ACT ON IN MAY.
UH, 26 THROUGH 30 IS WE CONSIDER THOSE TO BE THE OUT YEARS.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.
I'M GONNA PICK OUT SOME OF THESE THAT I, I THINK MIGHT BE OF PARTICULAR INTEREST TO YOU.
UH, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT SPARKS YOUR CURIOSITY, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
MOST OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, FOR THIS VERY REASON, SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WHY IT IS.
SO, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING RENOVATIONS, WHEN THE SHERIFF MOVES OUT, UH, INTO HIS NEW BUILDING SOMETIME IN APRIL, AS WE THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN NOW, UH, THAT WILL LEAVE, UH, SOME OPEN SPACE THAT WILL BE DIVIDED BETWEEN SOCIAL SERVICES, MARGARET'S GROUP AND THE CHIEF, I THINK IS SITTING BEHIND ME OVER HERE.
SO THEY'LL ARM WRESTLE FOR SOME OF THAT SPACE,
BUT WE'RE PLANNING A MUCH LARGER, UM, PROJECT FOR THE BUILDING, BUT FOR ITS IMMEDIATE USE, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
AND TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE, THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR US.
AND I REALLY PAUSED HERE ON PURPOSE.
SO LIKELY IT'LL BE SOME MINOR RENOVATION JUST TO GET PEOPLE IN THE SPACE, UH, IN THAT $600,000.
AND THEN WE'LL START WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECT TO SEE WHAT THE BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S FINISHED.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A MULTI-YEAR PLAN.
AND AS THERESA WILL POINT OUT TO YOU, OUR, UH, COUNTY PROJECTS ARE ALL CASH.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG HAS THAT BUILDING BEEN THERE? HOW LONG HAS THAT BUILDING BEEN THERE? YEAH.
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OVER 30 YEARS.THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD GIVE YOU.
I MEAN, I JUST, BUT NOT RIGHT HERE TALKING ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING OR BUILDING.
SO, SO THERE ARE SOME, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEN THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, TECHNOLOGICAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE ARE, THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS THERE AS WELL.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A OPEN CEILING.
IT COULD BE DONE AS A DROP CEILING TO SAVE US SOME ENERGY AS FAR AS HEATING AND COOLING THE SPACE.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT SPACE THAT WOULD IMPROVE IT DRAMATICALLY.
ITS USE HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
WE'VE GONE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA FIX YOUR, THANK YOU.
SO THERE, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THERE TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT BUILDING.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY.
THIS NEXT SLIDE IS, UH, STILL UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES.
COUPLE THINGS I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION HERE.
UH, WALT LATHAM AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT REPLACEMENT OF VOTING MACHINES.
HE TELLS ME THAT THE MACHINES WE HAVE, UH, TODAY ARE, ARE APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO EXPERIENCE, UH, IN THIS ELECTION, UH, THIS YEAR.
BUT AFTER THAT BELIEVES THAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME UPGRADES GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT NUMBER IS NOT IN 2025, BUT IN AN OUT YEAR.
BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO HE THINKS THIS, THIS PRESIDENTIAL LESSON WHERE THE MACHINE'S AT YEAH.
I ALSO WANTED TO STOP ON THIS SLIDE PARTICULARLY 'CAUSE WE WON'T STOP ON EVERY ONE, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO STOP ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE I KNOW MR. DRURY AND MR. ROY ARE MEETING WITH, UH, EDA, UH, CHAIR AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE EDA LATER THIS WEEK.
AND SO I WANTED THEM TO SEE, UH, HOW THEY GET SOME OF THEIR MONEY TO OPERATE.
SO THIS $300,000 HERE, UH, HELPS THEM OFFER INCENTIVES TO OTHER BUSINESSES.
UH, IT'S USED FOR GRANTS, DIFFERENT PURPOSES, SO THAT MONEY GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE EDA AND THEY USE THAT.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
SO I'M GONNA KEEP GOING UNLESS I HEAR YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING UP, PLEASE BACK UP.
I'M JUST SEEING THE BURG LIBRARY HERE NOW.
THAT'S A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION.
AND NOTICE THAT IT'S NOT IN 2025.
UH, THAT IS A PLANNING, UH, ISSUE THERE AS TO WHEN THAT WOULD START STAFF.
AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S NOT AN IF IT'S A WIN.
UM, SO I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MR. HOL AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE THERE OR NOT.
WE COULD TAKE IT OUT WITHOUT ANY REAL IMPACT IF THE BOARD FELT, UH, THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
BUT AS I MENTIONED, THIS WAS DONE IN DECEMBER AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE DIFFERENT IN DECEMBER THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD, UH, FELT STRONGLY ABOUT, WE CERTAINLY CAN ENTERTAIN THAT.
MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE CONTRACT ISN'T MAKING ANY PROGRESS.
THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE MISSING A DIRECTOR AND THERE'S NO NEGOTIATIONS.
I MEAN, WHAT YOU SAID IS TRUE.
YEAH, I KNOW IT'S A PLACEHOLDER, BUT AM I SENDING A MESSAGE TO BOUGHT IN? WELL, I WOULD TELL YOU THIS, UH, TO, TO YOUR POINT IN SOME DEGREE, UH, THEY SENT US A LETTER ASKING FOR 5 MILLION.
SO OUR MESSAGE BACK IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET EVERYTHING YOU ASKED FOR.
JUST TAKE IT OUTTA ONE YEAR NEXT, THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN, THEN THAT'S TWO WHAT, TWO YEARS OUT IN THE FUTURE BASICALLY.
AND WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING IN MONEY ASIDE KNOWING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY EVENTUALLY GO THROUGH IT.
BUT THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS THAT YOU TIE THIS 500,000 INTO WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PAYING, WHAT ABOUT 860,000 NOW? SO WE'RE TALKING $1.3 MILLION WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT LIBRARY UP THERE.
AND WHENEVER HEAR DISTRICT ONE SAYING, WE'RE NOT SHOWING 'EM THE LOVE
SO OUR TOTAL, I MEAN, OUR LIBRARY BUDGET'S ONLY AROUND TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
SO NOW IT'S GONE UP BECAUSE OF THIS SEVEN SEVEN BUDGET.
HOW MUCH IS THE BUDGET? 3.8 MILLION.
WITH THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE LIBRARY.
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REACH A POINT.I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE GONNA REACH A POINT HERE WHERE WE'VE GOTTA GO BUILD OUR OWN LIBRARY AND WE KEEP THIS UP.
I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT ALL THAT MONEY'S GOING FOR.
WHY ARE WE SPENDING $800,000 A YEAR AND NOW WE'RE THEY'RE ASKING US FOR ANOTHER 5 MILLION.
UM, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOW OR LATER, BUT WE, WE NEED TO TABLE IT AND PUT IT ON THE BOARD.
I I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.
I, I, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME, YOU AND YOU AND I WILL SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT WITH KEVIN.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE PAPERS FOR WHEN GIVE YOU ADVICE.
YOU, BECAUSE I STILL HAVE THE PAPERS.
MR. TRU, I, I WOULD SHARE WITH YOU ALSO THAT, UH, THERESA IS ON THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY BOARD AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
SO SHE DOES HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT MM-HMM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT MONEY'S FOR.
YEAH, I DID TELL HIM THAT IT WASN'T, IT WAS IN HERE AS A PLAN, AS A PLACEHOLDER.
UM, WE'VE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT RENEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT, THIS, THIS, UM, CAPITAL COULD KIND OF ROLL INTO THAT.
THEY, UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW LIBRARY DIRECTOR.
WE ARE JUST STARTING THE SEARCH.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING REALLY HAPPENING WITH THIS FOR THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION THEN I THINK DOUG, DOUG GO ALONG WITH IT.
WE JUST PULL THAT, JUST PULL AT LEAST ONE YEAR THAT NEXT YEAR, JUST PULL IT 500,000 OUT OF THE PLAN.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND JUST CERTAINLY BE DEALING WITH IT AGAIN.
THAT WAS, BUT WE STILL GOTTA GET BACK TO WHAT WAYNE'S TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY I'M SERIOUS.
IT'S RUNNING, GONNA COST US MORE THAN OUR TWO LIBRARIES TO COMBINE.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE GONNA GONNA GIVE 'EM EIGHT, 800,000? YOU KNOW, WE INSTRUCTED AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE INSTRUCTED NEIL AND NOW, AND NOW MARK TO GO BACK AND RE NEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T FIND IMPROVEMENTS IN OPERATING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAPITAL THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
THAT'S THE WORK THAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
AND UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT CONTRACT'S GONNA LAND, I THINK WE JUST PUT THIS ON PAUSE.
NOW I WANT, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY USING IT AND AS OPPOSED TO WILLIAMSBURG RESIDENTS, YOU SURPRISE THE NUMBER OF DISTRICT 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE RESIDENTS USING IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN HELP WITH ELECTRONIC USE NOW THAT LET'S NOT GET BOGGED DOWN INTO, OKAY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TABLE IT, WE'RE DONE.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE REAL QUICK NUMBERS.
7 MILLION, 7,000 YORK RESIDENTS ARE, UH, CARDHOLDERS THAT BELIEVE WERE LIBRARY CARDHOLDERS, CARDHOLDERS, CARDHOLDERS.
7,000, WELL, 7,000 ISN'T THAT MANY? WELL, SEVEN.
IT'S, IT'S ABOUT HALF THE DISTRICT.
AND WOULD BE NOT IN DISTRICT ONE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY CLUE AS TO HOW OFTEN THOSE CARS ARE SWIPED? UM, THEY, WELL, THEY SAY THAT ABOUT, HE SAID WE CAN DO IT LATER.
ACCORDING TO THEIR, TO THEIR RECORDS, IT'S ABOUT 13% OF THEIR CIRCULATION.
CONSTITUTES YOUR COUNTY RESIDENCE.
13% OF THEIR, OF THEIR CIRCULATION.
IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE AS TO HAVE THE, UH, THE LIBRARY BOARD PRESIDENT OR WHATEVER WE CALL 'EM NOWADAYS TO, UH, COME UP AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON, ON THE LIBRARY SERVICES.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE IN QUITE A FEW YEARS, SO.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THE LIBRARY BUDGET IS 3.8 MILLION YORK COUNTY COUNTY.
TWO, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, THEN THAT INCLUDES IN THAT 0.8, IT GOES TOWARDS THE, THAT 3.3 0.8.
SO TO OPERATE OURS IS ABOUT $3 MILLION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIBRARY UP THERE BUDGET IS? LIBERTY'S HUGE.
AND IT'S ONE LIBRARY, RIGHT? IT'S A WORLD CLASS LIBRARY.
TWO LIBRARIES, SEVEN MILLIONS FOR TWO LIBRARIES.
SO YOU CAN SPLIT THAT IN HALF.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PRODUCING 13% OF A THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR.
SO THREE 13% OF 13% OF THEIR, OF THEIR, OF THEIRS, OF THEIR BUSINESS.
30% ARE YOUR COUNTY CITIZENSHIP.
THAT'S CERTAINLY A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN 800,000, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
I THINK I JUST NEED TO GET SOME MORE CLARIFICATION.
SO WHILE YOU, WHILE Y'ALL WERE WATCHING, KEVIN, I CHANGE THE SLIDE ON YOU
SO WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
UM, THERE ARE TWO THINGS HERE THAT I WANTED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO.
WHEN, UH, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PRESENTATION, WHAT I TOLD YOU WAS THAT THIS CIP HAS BEEN PUT THROUGH THE MODEL TO GIVE US THE AFFORDABILITY SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THIS.
AND SO THAT AFFORDABILITY INCLUDES
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MONEY THAT WE FINANCE CASH THAT WE PUT IN AS WELL.IT ALSO INCLUDES MONEY FROM OTHER SOURCES.
UH, IN THIS, AND THIS IS WHY I STOPPED RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOW THIS TO YOU.
UH, EXPANSION OF THE FIRING RANGE, $25,000.
THAT'S A PARTNER AGENCY THAT USES OUR FIRING RANGE THAT'S WILLING TO DONATE $25,000 A YEAR TO ITS MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP.
UH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.
THE LAST ITEM ON THIS, UH, LIST IS MARINE PATROL.
THE SHERIFF HAS ASKED FOR A VOTE.
SO THIS IS NOT, UH, COUNTY FUNDED.
THIS WOULD BE FROM ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY THAT HE WOULD GET.
HOW'S HE USING THAT? A ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY NOW? WELL, RIGHT NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE IT.
AND SO WHAT, WELL, WHERE IS HE GONNA GET IT FROM THEN? WELL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S GONNA PAY IT TO HIM FOR A, FOR AN OPERATION THEY DID WHERE THEY SEIZED THE ASSETS, SOLD THEM, AND THEY WERE DIVVIED UP BETWEEN THE AGENCIES THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT OPERATION.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA TELL YOU IS IF HE DOESN'T GET HIS ASSET FORFEITURE MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE'S NOT GONNA GET THAT BOAT.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HOW HE'S CHOSEN TO FINANCE THAT BOAT.
BUT WE, WE WANT TO SHOW IN THE CIP ALL OF THE BIG PURCHASES THAT WE HAVE AND HOW WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM.
SO I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO STOP THERE AND MAKE THE POINT TO YOU THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THIS LIST IS NOT NECESSARILY COUNTY DOLLARS.
SO THAT THAT MARINE BOAT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR FIREFIGHTING BOAT.
YEAH, THIS IS, BUT WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER, THIS IS LAW ENFORCEMENT LAW ENFORCE, ENFORCE PURPOSE.
YOU THAT TAKES CARE OF THE RIVER.
HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY MILES OF SHORE DO WE HAVE AS A, I WAS TALKING TO SHERIFF MONTGOMERY ABOUT IT, AND TWO EIGHT WE'RE GOING AND THERE ARE SOME OVER 200 YEAH.
THAT YOU JUST, YOU JUST CAN'T GET TO WITH, WITH, WITHOUT A BOAT AND WE CAN'T, SO WE COULDN'T RESPOND TO SOME ISSUES.
SO, WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN VMRC AND COAST GUARD AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT? I, I'LL TALK TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THAT TO FIND OUT.
I MEAN, SHORT OF THAT, I MEAN, THE COAST GUARD ISN'T GONNA COME THROUGH A SHORT ISSUE THAT WE MAY, THAT WE MIGHT GET A CALL ON.
THEY'RE GONNA STAY ON THE BOARD.
WE HAD, I THINK OUR FIREFIGHTERS, WE'VE GOT THE FIREFIGHTERS BOAT, WE OUT THE, OUT IN THE BAY TO HELP WITH RESCUES AND STUFF.
I THINK SHERIFF'S PROBABLY BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THOSE IF THERE IS A RIGHT.
HEY, REAL QUICK, HOW COME WE HAVE TWO LINE ITEMS FOR A ED REPLACEMENT? YOU GOT ONE ON SHERIFF AND ONE IS, UH OH.
MDS MDTS NOT, NO, THE DED IS, YOU GOT TWO LINES IN THE BUILDINGS THAT FALL UNDER ADMIN AND THEN A UNDER SHERIFF'S.
SO, UH, ON, ON THIS IS, UH, OF SIGNIFICANCE HERE OBVIOUSLY IS FIRE AND RESCUE APPARATUS.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU IN THE PAST.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPENSE IS CONSIDERABLE.
THE, THE LEAD TIME TO GET THESE UNITS IS GROWING.
UH, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGE FOR THIS.
AS FAR AS OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE CONCERNED TO OUR CITIZENS, WE SEND OUT, WE TAKE THEM TO THE HOSPITAL IN THE AMBULANCE, WE CHARGE, HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT? IT'S ONE THING THAT I REALLY WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT, BUT WE'RE DOING IT.
AND WEREN'T YOU HAPPY ABOUT IT? IF I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S STILL, IF THEY CAN'T PAY, WE DO NOT CHARGE THEM FOR IT UNLESS THEIR INSURANCE, YOUR INSURANCE IS SUPPOSED TO COVER IT.
IS THAT STILL THE OPERATION? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT'S A COMPASSIONATE BILL, MEDICAL TRANSPORT FEE, AND WE CALL IT COMPASSIONATE BILLING.
UH, AND IF IF YOU ARE A COUNTY RESIDENT, YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD BE BILLED.
AND IF YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE A CO-PAY, IF YOU DO RECEIVE A NOTICE TO MAKE A COPAY, THEN YOU CAN JUST CONTACT OUR OFFICE OR THE BILLING INFORMATION OR THE INFORMATION ON THE BILL THAT COMES TO YOU.
BUT IT'S COMPASSIONATE BILLING.
UH, ACTUALLY IT, IT BRINGS IN PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REVENUE, BUT ALL OF US PAY FOR THAT, THAT NEED FOR BEING TRANSPORTED IN OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, WHETHER WE WE WANT IT OR NOT.
SO, UH, SO IF YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU SHOULD NEVER EXPERIENCE A BILL.
IF YOU DO, OBVIOUSLY CONTACT THEIR OFFICE AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
OR IF YOU, IF YOU'RE INSURED, IF YOU ARE UNINSURED, YOU MAY GET A BILL.
BUT WE DO HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH
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YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BILL WAIVED FOR COUNTY CITIZENS.THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
WHAT, WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU CALLED OUT BUT DON'T TRANSPORT? UH, WE DO NOT CHARGE FOR THAT.
SO WHAT, WHAT DID I SAID? WE, WHEN YOU GET CALLED OUT, WE DON'T TRANSPORT.
IT MAY BE A PROVISION IN MEDICARE.
UH, BUT WE'VE NOT ADDRESSED THAT AT THIS POINT.
SHEILA, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU SAID YOU ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT IT.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH WELL, IT, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT ABOUT, AND HE'S ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
IF THEY CAN'T PAY, THEY'RE NOT CHARGED.
I MEAN, THEY MAY BE CHARGED, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT FORCED TO PAY.
WE, WE, FOR YEARS, WE WERE NOT CHARGING AT ALL.
AND THE STAFF CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY.
WHEN? BACK 15 YEARS AGO, OR 10 YEARS AGO.
AND WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, I WATCHED ALL THE AMBULANCES CHARGE.
'CAUSE WHOEVER GOT TO PICK UP THE, THE PATIENT GOT THE, GOT THE MONEY.
AND THEN I CAME BACK AND I'M GOING, WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? AND THE PROBLEM THAT, THE PROBLEM WAS THAT WE WANTED TO CONTROL THE AMBULANCE SITUATION HERE AND NOT HAVE A, A FREE FOR ALL RUNNING DOWN 17, BUT ALSO FOUND OUT THAT WE WEREN'T COLLECTING THE INSURANCE, WHICH IS IT'S ALWAYS IN YOUR INSURANCE.
WILL YOU PAY IT OR NOT? YOU WERE NOT.
SO NO ONE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT, LET'S GO, WHY DON'T WE JUST BILL THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS? SURE ENOUGH, WE STARTED COLLECTING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.
HAS THAT STOPPED THE AMBULANCES FOR RUNNING UP AND DOWN 17? YES.
BUT THEY COULD CHARGE FOR THE NEW JERSEY ALSO.
THEY GET ONLY PICKED UP BY OUR GUYS ON AN EMERGENCY AND THEY GET TRANSPORTED BY THE OTHER, THE OTHER, UM, UH, AMBULANCES WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE SPEED LIMIT.
BUT WE ARE THE DESIGNATED EMERGENCY RESPONSE AGENCIES.
SO WE HANDLE ALL THE EMERGENCY CALLS.
THE PRIVATE AMBULANCE SERVICES USUALLY DO INTER-FACILITY TRANSPORTS.
LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM THIS HOSPITAL TO THAT HOSPITAL MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
IS THAT PRETTY STANDARD ON THE PENINSULA? BECAUSE I, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IT WAS A, IT WAS A FREE FOR ALL IN VEGAS.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY DANGEROUS.
I THOUGHT PERSONALLY WATCHING THREE OR FOUR AMBULANCES ALL RACING FROM DIFFERENT CORNERS TO GET TO THE, THE CRASH.
AND I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
LET IN VEGAS A FREE FOR ALL ANYWAY.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S ONLY IF YOU PAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANSWERING FOR ME.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, AND STEVE CHIEF WILL SAY, WE USED TO HAVE A VOLUNTEER, A BIG VOLUNTEER DEPARTMENT, LOBSTER STILL DOES.
AND WE HAD A LOT OF DONATIONS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT, THAT HELPED WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF AS WELL THAT WE DON'T GET AS, AS WE USED TO.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE'RE BILLING, WE, WE DON'T SEE THE DONATION PEOPLE TEND TO GIVE TO OTHER NEEDS, CHURCHES, FOOD BANKS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS NOWADAYS.
BUT, UH, WE, I BELIEVE OUR REVENUE IS ABOUT 2 MILLION OR SO FROM THE EMS TRANSPORT COST RECOVERY PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE ON THE PUBLIC WORKS PAGE RIGHT NOW.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING HERE THAT IS, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, EXCITING FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU IF, WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CIP BOOK THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED AT THE RETREAT LAST YEAR, LAST FRIDAY, RATHER.
WHO'S GETTING HVAC? IT'S VERY DETAILED.
IT'S NOT JUST A I THREW IT OUT THERE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, REPLACEMENT PLAN AND I, I CERTAINLY WOULD CREDIT, UH, ROB AND JOE CLER ON MAKING THAT HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR.
UH, FED ARE WE GETTING MORE? I WENT ALL, ARE WE GETTING MORE, UH, ACTIVITY WHERE ON OUR COURTS BECAUSE OF PICKLEBALL? I MEAN, IT IS LIKE CRAZY NOW.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S VERY POPULAR.
BRIAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WE'VE, ON SATURDAYS WE HAVE SOMETIMES 80 PEOPLE OUT THERE PLAYING PICKLEBALL.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO, AND WE HAVE TAB HIGH SCHOOL.
I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN MARKED ALL, ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLS WHEN THEY RETRIP ALL THE HIGH SCHOOL COURTS, THEY JUST, THEY DID TAB.
THEY'VE DONE YORK AND GRAFTON, AND THEY'VE PUT PICKLEBALL LINES ON THOSE.
AND AS Y'ALL APPROVED A FEW OR A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE UPPER COURTS AT BACK CREEK PARK.
I'M, I'M SEEING WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT A HUNDRED OVER A HUNDRED.
WELL, AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THOSE
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COURTS.THAT WAS JUST TO, UH, TO RENOVATE SSUR RESURFACE ONGOING COSTS.
IT'S EVERY, EVERY TO RESURFACE 10 SO YEARS WE HAVE TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE COURTS.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER YEAR IS WHAT HE'S SAYING.
CAN I SET UP A LE LEMONADE STAND OUT THERE? LIKE I SAY, WE USED ALSO IN CONCESSIONS.
IT'S NOT, WE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU SAID IT'S NOT A MAINTAIN WELL, WHAT'S WE GOT LOOK HERE.
WE'RE DOING WHAT? UH, $150,000 THIS YEAR.
SO THOSE, SOME OF THOSE ARE COURTS AT BASKETBALL? YEAH.
THEY'RE DIFFERENT AT SCHOOL SITES.
SOME OF 'EM ARE IN OUR COUNTY PARK SITES.
WE DO 'EM ABOUT EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
UM, THE LINES OR THE CRACKS THAT SHOW UP AND THE LEVELING.
KIND LIKE CHANGING OIL IN YOUR CAR BECAUSE WE, THE COUNTY TAKE CARE OF THE OUTSIDE FACILITY, THE SPORTS FACILITIES AT THE SCHOOLS.
THE, THERE'S A SCHOOL GROUNDS MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND IT'S, WE KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE AREAS AS SCHOOLS.
THE SCHOOLS BY DAY PARKS BY NIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AT ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLS WE'VE BEEN, WHEN WE SEAL COOK THOSE TENNIS COURTS, WE'VE BEEN PUT ON PICKLE LINE COURTS, YOU KNOW, LINES AS WELL.
AND THAT DOESN'T COVER ANYTHING LIKE, UH, UM, THESE ARTIFICIAL FIELDS OR ANYTHING.
WE DON'T MAINTAIN THOSE, UM, THE ARTIFICIAL FIELDS.
UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF, THE AGREEMENT KIND OF REVOLVES AROUND DOES PARKS AND REC USE THE FACILITY? SO YORK HIGH, BRUTE HIGH, MOST OF THE HIGH, MOST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL FIELDS WE, WE PARK OF RECREATION OR THE COMMUNITY DON'T USE.
SO THE HIGH SCHOOLS ARE, ARE MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE MAINTENANCE AT THOSE SITES AS A SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
WE USE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY GROUPS, USE IT, AND WE CUT THE GRASS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE FIELDS.
SO WE, WE PAY FOR THOSE TO BE SET, TO BE REDONE, DON'T WE? WELL, WE PAID TO RENOVATE THOSE OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS.
SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY BY ADDING THOSE FIELDS.
UM, SO WE, WE USED THOSE SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ALWAYS THERE.
WATER PARKING AND ALL OF THAT.
SO HERE'S SOME OTHER CATEGORIES OF THINGS THAT'LL GET DONE IN PUBLIC WORKS UNDER THE CIP PROGRAM.
UH, I, I THINK YOU'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE CONVERTING, UH, STREET LIGHTS TO LED, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BELIEVE THAT SUBJECT.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF CONVERTING SOME OF OUR TOURISM MONEY TO PAYING FOR ALL OF THESE UPGRADES? SINCE THAT'S WHAT THE REGIONAL SPORTS FACILITY IS USING? YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT FOR THE SPORTS FACILITY.
I'M MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU ASKED.
SO ARE YOU TOURISM RELATED? YEAH.
THEY, THAT'S, THAT WAS GONNA BE A POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE.
SO MOST TOURISM DOLLARS ARE OBLIGATED TO TOURISM ACTIVITIES.
SO IF THEY'RE BEING USED, I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS IF WE WERE GONNA USE THOSE TO DO REPAIRS AT, UH, SAY A HIGH SCHOOL, UH, TENNIS COURT, WE PROBABLY COULDN'T COUNT THAT AS TOURISM.
IS, IS, DID I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY? UNLESS WE'RE BRINGING IN HIGH SCHOOLS FROM OTHER REGIONS TO COMPETE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS, LIGHTING, TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE LIGHTS ARE.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THESE COSTS TRANSFERABLE TO OUR TOURISM DOLLARS.
I, I'D LIKE THE QUESTION, UH, THOUGHT THROUGH.
UNDERGROUND UTILITIES IS SOMETHING ELSE I THINK YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN.
SO, UH, 17 IS SCHEDULED TO BE WIDENED, UH, FROM, UH, WOLFTRAP ROAD TO, UH, GOODWIN NECK.
AND WE WILL UNDERGROUND THE UTILITIES, UH, THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LINE IS USED FOR.
SO THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, WOULD BE THOSE SAME KIND OF ISSUES IN ADDITION TO SIDEWALKS AND BIKE TRAILS.
TRANSPORTATION OTHER THAN SIDEWALKS AND BIKE TRAILS.
SO, UH, WHAT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS? SO, LIKE, WOULD WE WIDE, WHEN 17 GETS WIDE, WILL WE'LL LIKELY MOVE, UH, UTILITIES? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BOTTOM ONE.
UHHUH,
WHAT ELSE IS THAT? WHAT ELSE IS THAT BESIDES BIKEWAYS? YEAH.
SO WHAT I, I'M SORRY,
SO THERE ARE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WE'RE INVOLVED
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IN, AND WHILE IT'S NOT TRANSPORTATION, IT IS TRANSPORTATION RELATED.WHEN WE, WHEN WE WIDENED 17, UH, ON THE ORIGINAL SWATH, A LOT OF UTILITIES HAD TO BE RELOCATED.
SO THOSE ARE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF THAT AS WELL.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIG ONES WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN SOME OF THE OUT HERE IS JUST TO MAYBE HELP IN YOUR EYES TO SOME OF THAT MONEY IS THE ROUNDABOUT AT MOTOWN AND LIGHTFOOT, WHICH IS PROGRAMMED UNDER, I BELIEVE THE CIP MM-HMM.
DISTRICT THREE, YOU'RE THROWING SOMEBODY NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LIBRARY DISCUSSION.
THIS IS NEXT SHEET IS, WHAT IS IT?
THAT'S NOT YOUR DISTRICT, YOURS.
I THINK HE TALKING I GOLY AND GO, OH, GLING AND OLD INTER INTERSECTION.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD QUESTION FOR ROSS.
YEAH, THEY'RE DOING A SAFETY STUDY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PLANNING ON A MEETING WITH THE HOA THERE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT, TURN INTO T INTERSECTION OR SOMETHING.
THEY'S PART OF TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A, PUTTING A LIGHT THERE.
UH, MR. HOY, I KNOW THIS IS, UH, OF INTEREST TO YOU, THIS TOP ONE.
SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, NOT ALL MONEY IN THE CIP IS COUNTY FUNDS.
UH, IN THIS SCENARIO, THE $400,000 IS FOR AN ENGINEERING STUDY.
THAT'S A GRANT THAT COMES FROM THE STATE.
AND THE REST OF THIS MONEY HYPOTHETICALLY COULD BE, UH, PROGRAMS LIKE, UH, SMART SCALE REVENUE SHARE.
IT COULD BE COUNTY MONEY, IT COULD ALSO BE MONEY PUT UP BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, FOR IMPROVEMENT OF THOSE ROADS AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT'S THERE FOR OUR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S 9 MILLION WE'RE SPENDING ON THAT ROAD OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT IT ADDS UP TO.
AND IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KELTON STATION AND YORK 64 ARE THE TWO BIG CHANGES ON THAT ROAD.
RIGHT? I I, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT, BUT I WANTED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT ALL COUNTY MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER MONIES THERE.
BUT IT IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S TAXPAYER MONEY.
WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL, OR A CONTRACTOR OR RIGHT.
THIS COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, THERE IS A, A WAY FINDING, UM, EFFORT UNDERWAY THAT BRIAN HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
WE'LL SEE NEW SIGNAGE, UH, FOR YORKTOWN AND IN YORKTOWN, LIKE AS YOU ENTER THE COUNTY SIGNAGE.
OR BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TALK ABOUT THIS? YEAH.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NEWPORT NEWS IS SIGNED.
OH, I, I AM, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU ON THAT.
THAT'S JUST, I'VE SEEN THOSE SIGNS RECENT IN GOOD CASE.
NO, OVER, OVER IN YORKTOWN OVER THE LAST 35 YEARS OR SO.
THERE'S JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST HAPHAZARDLY NEVER REALLY LOOKED AT.
SO WE WANNA BRING IN A CONSULTANT, KIND OF LOOK AT THE ENTIRE VILLAGE.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED ALSO IN THE VILLAGE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE VILLAGE AND TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE WAY THEY CAN GET, MAKE SURE THEY CAN FIND PLACES.
SO WE'LL BRING IN, DO THAT STUDY AND, AND THEN WORK WITH A CONSISTENT SIGN, A CONSISTENT MESSAGE AND A CONSISTENT LEVEL.
SEEMS TO ME THE STUDY WAS DONE A WHILE AGO BY H-R-P-D-C ON THE SIGN, ON THE SIGNAGE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SIGNS, UH, 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, INTERSTATE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.
NO, WE'RE TALKING MOSTLY JUST IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA IN THE VILLAGE.
SO YOU PARK YOUR, YOUR HALL OR YOU PARK IT, THE ADMIN BUILDING.
HOW DO YOU GET TO THE WATERFRONT? HOW DO YOU GET TO THE PARK SERVICE? HOW DO YOU GET TO MAIN STREET? SO JUST TAKE A WHOLE LOOK BECAUSE IT IS MOSTLY A WALKABLE VILLAGE.
IT'S EASY TO WALK PAST INTERESTING THINGS IF YOU DON'T KNOW.
MARK, CAN WE, CAN WE BACK UP ONE SLIDE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THE 2026 WATER STREET IMPROVEMENTS IN BEAUTIFICATION, WHAT ARE WE THINKING ON THAT 2 MILLION BACKUP TOO FAR? OH YEAH, THERE WE GO.
200,000 IS THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S
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UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.WE'RE DOING THE ENGINEERING ON IT.
SO IT'S IN COORDINATION WITH THE WORK THAT THE, UH, PUB IS DOING.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THEY HAVE, UH, THERE IS WATER.
SO THE WATER COMES FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL AT CHURCH STREET STAIRS.
SO THE WATER MADE IS ACTUALLY ON REED STREET.
SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT BRINGING WATER MADE DOWN REED STREET SIMULTANEOUSLY.
WE'LL MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO REED STREET.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S EROSION ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, POTENTIALLY A SIDEWALK ON THAT STREET.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ON WATER STREET.
I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DRIVEN PAST THE PUB AND LARRY'S AND PEOPLE ARE WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD? 'CAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO WALK.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE.
UH, POSSIBLY ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UH, THERE'S A SMALL GRANT CURB ABOUT THAT BIG, AND THEN THERE'S BRICKS ABOUT THAT WIDE.
WE THINK WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND PROBABLY CREATE SOME PULL OFFS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM STOPPING IN TRAFFIC TO UNLOAD THEIR, YOU KNOW, BEACH WEARS.
SO WE THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UH, SOME WORK THERE IN FRONT OF THE, THE BEACH HOTEL.
ALMOST CALLED IT DUKE OF YORK
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST AS WELL TO MAKE A SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE OF BALLARD STREET FOR THE BEACH HOTEL UP TO THE PARKING LOT HERE AT YORK HALL.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WILL FALL UNDERNEATH THERE.
IT'S A, IT'S A PHASED PROGRAM.
SO IT'S NOT ALL GONNA HAPPEN AT ONE TIME.
THE FIRST PART OF THE PROGRAM, BESIDES THE ENGINEERING THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IS THE LANDSCAPING OF CHURCH STAIRS.
WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW, BUT THAT, THOSE PULL OFFS, YOU NEED TO THINK HARDER ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEBODY MONITORING IT, THAT MAY CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT SOLVES.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE DRIVER BEHIND IT, BUT ALSO, UM, DURING DELIVERIES, I MEAN, WHEN THE PUB GETS A DELIVERY, WHEN LARRY'S GETS A DELIVERY, WHEN BEN AND JERRY'S GETS THE DELIVERY, THEY PARK THOSE SEMI-TRUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
IF YOU'RE NOT PULL UP FOR THAT THOUGH, ARE YOU? WELL, YOU COULD HAVE IT WHERE THEY COULD PULL THAT AND GET THERE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE HAD THE CONSULTANTS START LOOKING AT TO HELP TRAFFIC FLOW AND KEEP TRAFFIC FLOW.
I COULD SEE THAT PULL OFF FOR BEACH WHERE IT'S GONNA BE A MAD MADHOUSE UNLESS YOU HAVE A, THEY STOP ON WATER STREET NOW AS IT IS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GIVE 'EM A PLACE TO DO THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE AMBASSADORS, WE DO HAVE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE AROUND THE VILLAGE TO MONITOR IT.
NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK PEOPLE WILL USE IT AND AS LONG AS THEY RESPECT IT, IT'LL HELP TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE VILLAGE A LOT MORE.
SO IT IS ANOTHER SHEET FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT, UH, THEY HAVE FOR THE PIPELINE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE WHILE BRIAN'S STANDING UP, YOU'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER OFFICER FOR DO WE HAVE BATTING CAGES TODAY? OR THEY YOU PUT NEW BATTING CAGES? NO, WE DO NOT HAVE BATTING CAGES.
THAT'S WHAT WANTED DESIGNED IN THE PLAN THAT WAS NEVER ABLE TO BE PUT IN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT SHOULD COME OUTTA THE TOURISM DOLLARS.
DO YOU HAVE OUR STUDENTS, IF IT'S STRICTLY FOR THE TOURISM, THAT FIRST ONE, THAT'S 900, ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS.
CRAIG WILL TAKE A NOTE OF THAT.
SEE WHAT I THOUGHT, I HEARD THAT WAS THE CASE TOO, AT ONE POINT.
SO UNDER THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARK DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, NEXT YEAR, 250,000, WHAT IS THAT? SO THAT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE MARQUEE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT PARK OR THAT PROPERTY'S PROPERTY TO A SCHOOL.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT KE CREEK PARK, WHICH WAS ALL ALSO ED AS A SCHOOL.
JUST LIKE 25 YEARS AGO WHEN WE OPENED UP KEIL CREEK PARK, THERE'S STILL NO SCHOOL THERE.
WHY LET THAT PROPERTY JUST SIT THERE? SO WE DEVELOPED IT AS A PARK.
AND THAT'S THE PLAN THERE AT THE MARQUEE PROPERTY.
IF WE CAN GET ACCESS, UH, THAT, UH, AND THEN WE WOULD DESIGN AND BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO ALL FIELDS, WHEN ARE WE GONNA START IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? UH, START PUTTING IN MONEY THAT WE NEED TO FINISH OFF THE HRSD PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA BE GIVEN TO US.
SOME OF THAT COULD BE USED FOR THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT DEFINED EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE USED.
WE'VE GOT PATHS CONNECT OVER TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND, AND THEN THE VARIOUS O OFF PROPERTY STUFF THAT, UH, THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO
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COMPLETE THE, THE PROJECT, ESPECIALLY DOWN BY THE FIRE STATION.UM, STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KIND OF BITS AND PIECES, BUT IT ALL MOUNTS UP YOU GARDEN.
SO YEAH, THAT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO, I MEAN THAT'S, WE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAD ANOTHER PARCEL THAT WAS, LOOKED LIKE IT MAY BE TURNED OVER TO THE COUNTY TO, THERE WERE THREE OR FOUR PARCELS IN THERE.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, HRSD OR MARQUEE TO GIVE US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO WHEN THEY COME ONLINE, BUT START WORKING.
BRIAN, DID YOU HEAR MS. NO'S COMMENT ABOUT COMMUNITY GUARD? YES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ACKNOWLEDGED IT.
THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT CASE FOR US.
WE STILL GOT MANY PAGES TO GET THERE.
I NOTICED THAT, UH, GREG GOT OFF EASY.
IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE GOT ABOUT 30 OR 40.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT BALANCE.
SO STORM WATER PROJECTS, THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, AND MR. HOL, WE, UH, WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY AND REALIZED THAT WE OMITTED THE MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE STATE ON QUEENS LAKE DAMON, RAVI.
SO THIS NUMBER WILL ACTUALLY BE 2 MILLION OFFSET WITH REVENUE FROM THE STATE AS OF A MILLION.
HOW MUCH IS THAT PROJECT GONNA COST US ALL TOGETHER? UH, ROB, HAVE YOU GOT, WE'RE STILL IN THE ENGINEERING PHASE AS I RECALL.
ROB, TONY SHOW ONE YEAR PUTTING MONEY, I FORGET THIS YEAR.
SO THE DAMS, THE SPILLWAY AND THE RAVINES, OUR BEST GUESS ESTIMATE IS RIGHT AT $2 MILLION.
HALF OF THAT SHOULD BE COVERED WITH THE SLAP GRANT FUNDING.
THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION OF QUEENS LAKE, I'M GONNA REFER TO IT AS SECTION 10, UH, BY THE MAP, WHICH IS WHERE THE SEDIMENT COMES IN FROM THE 64 WIDENING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STUDY THAT.
SO WE PUT THAT IN THE OUT YEARS, UM, TO LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD DO THERE.
WHICH, WHERE, WHERE IS THAT WHERE, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THAT'S ALL THE WAY OUT 2030.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A, A GAP IN THERE WHERE WE'RE GONNA HEAD OVER TO MARROW BANK AND DO SOME READING WORK THERE.
THE 2031, THAT SITE 10 IN THE QUEENS LAKE DAM, WHICH WE CALL THE QUEENS LAKE BASIN, I GUESS, UH, IS GONNA CREATE SOME SPECIFIC PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO INVOLVE THE CORE.
UM, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE IS UP THERE WITH THE PARKWAY, AND THEN YOU GET UP INTO VDOT.
SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PLAYERS AND, AND PLANNING, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND, AND SEE WHAT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'RE NOT, SO, SO WHEN IS THIS, I MEAN, THE QUEENS LAKE DAM PROJECT, WHEN IS IT GOING TO START AND INVOLVE ALL THE SPILLWAY, THE DAM RESTORATION OR STRENGTHENING AND ANYTHING ELSE WE GOTTA DO THERE? WHEN'S THAT STARTING? SO PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS, IS THE QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAD THE PERMITTING, UM, FOR THE DAM, BUT NOT THE SPILLWAY UHHUH.
SO WE'RE WAITING TO GET THE PERMITTING FOR THE SPILLWAY TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE AT ONE TIME.
JUST CORPS OF ENGINEERS ARMY CORPS.
ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, NV TAKES FOREVER APPROVAL FOR, UM, THEN ALL THIS WAS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, TRIGGERED BY DCR IN THE STATE CHANGING THE REGULATIONS.
SO, ROB, BUT THE ONLY THING I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HERE IS WHY, WHY IS THERE MONEY SET ASIDE AGAIN FOR THAT PROJECT? WELL, WE WANT TO, WE HOPE TO BREAK GROUND THIS FALL FOR A MILLION DOLLARS, MAYBE 2 MILLION.
AND THAT'S GONNA COVER, SO IT'S MONEY WE SPEND AND DEDICATE.
SO THAT'S GONNA PAY FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS GOING TO OCCUR.
AND THEN JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
ARE, ARE THERE OTHER DAM IN THE COUNTY WE'RE GONNA NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT? MM-HMM?
WELL, NOT SO MUCH AS, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A ROAD OVER IT, BUT THERE IS A DAM IN TAB LAKES.
UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HOODS, UH, EVERYBODY ON THE DAM WANTS THE WATER RAISED AND KEPT THE SAME.
UH, THERE'S A GROUP, BUT, AND THERE'S LIKE TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THERE.
IT'S TAB LAKES AND IT KIND OF, THERE'S A GROUP, UH, A QUARTER TWO AWAY FROM THAT DAM WHERE THE WATER DRAINS INTO THAT WANT THE DAM LOWERED.
UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO STUDY THAT AND LOOK AT IT.
AND THAT'S, UM, KIND OF LIKE A, A UNIQUE ONE
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WE HAVE WITH WOODLAKE WITH THE, THE SLUICE GATE.SO WE'RE GONNA GET MISS SARAH KNOB AND SOME OF THE HOA, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT, BUT IS THAT DRIVEN BY THE D NEW DCR REGULATION? THAT ONE IS NOT.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY IN THE COUNTY THAT'S GONNA BE IMPACTED BY BARLOW LAKE? MAYBE.
WHO'D YOU SAY? BARLOW LAKE ON BARLOW.
IT'S RIGHT ON, UH, NEWMAN ROAD WHERE THE GROWN IS BECAUSE DON, THEY COME, DO THEY COME WITH A TOM TIME FRAME? WE GOT ADDRESS, UM, THE ONE AT, UH, QUEENS LAKE DID BECAUSE OF VDOT ROAD, WHICH IS, THAT IS NOW OPEN AND OPERATING UNDER A CURRENT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THERE'S SOME URGENCY TO THAT ONE.
SO THIS IS THE NEXT SHEET FOR STORM WATER
THAT'S TYPICALLY WORK THAT'S DONE IN HOUSE.
THAT'S WHEN, UH, ROB'S STORMWATER CREW, THE CONSTRUCTION CREW TAKES ON A PROJECT THAT'S OF APPROPRIATE SIZE AND SCALE FOR THEM.
AND, UH, WE FUND IT AT, IN LIKE THIS WITH A CIP.
SO THIS IS ALL THE, THIS IS ALL THE STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT FIT WITHIN THE FISCAL BUDGET CAP.
IN OTHER WORDS, I REMEMBER, GOD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO, BUT I LOOKED AT IT AND COUNTED ALL THE, ALL THE STORMWATER PROJECTS.
IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE $78 MILLION AND IT'S A LOT STORM WATER PROJECTS.
SO I'M, WHAT I'M LOOKING HERE, I'M KIND OF, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL MEAN.
THERE'S MORE, GOTTA BE MORE IN THE PIPELINE SOMEWHERE, BUT OUT IN THE OUT YEARS.
NEXT SHEET IS FOR VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.
THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME CONSULTING SERVICES, UH, NEXT YEAR.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE, IN 2025, THERE'S A TROLLEY REPLACEMENT, 2026 AND 27 AT THE OUT YEARS.
THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR TROLLEYS.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALLER TROLLEYS.
BUT WILL THEY LOOK, WILL THEY BE CONFIGURED BACK TO BIGGER TRONS? THEY'LL, THEY'LL LOOK MUCH THE SAME.
AND, AND THEIR HOPE IS THE WAY THIS IS PLANNED RIGHT NOW, ASSUMING, ASSUMING AVAILABILITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH, UH, PARTS AND SUCH.
THEY'RE THINKING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THESE WILL BE, UH, PROBABLY PROPANE POWERED VEHICLES.
AS OPPOSED TO DIESEL VEHICLES.
SO THAT TRACKS WITH YOUR SUSTAINABILITY PRIORITIES.
IS THE REASON LOCK AND RUN WASN'T ON THE STORMWATER, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE DONE THIS YEAR.
WHAT'S, UH, LOCK AND RUN IS THE DRAFT FROM BETHEL PROJECT THAT THE LARKIN RUN ONE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON HILL THIS YEAR.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE SEWER PROJECTS THAT YOU, UH, MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF.
UH, WHITE FAULKNER IS ONE, UH, THE LARGEST PROJECT THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
BUT I LOOK AT THESE, I WONDER HOW OLD THE LINES ARE AND WHY IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT THEY NEED TO BE.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, CAMERA TRUCKS.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, PUT A CAMERA IN THE LINE, INSPECT IT, CHECK IT, COME TO SOME CONCLUSION ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE LINE.
AND MAKE A DECISION JUST LIKE, UH, ROSS AND CAROL'S TALKING ABOUT SLIP LINE IN THAT DRAINAGE PIPE.
THEY DO THE SAME THING FOR THE SEWER LINES.
SO THEY GRATE 'EM AND DECIDE WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
IS, UH, THE REST OF THIS STUFF IS MOSTLY, UM, EQUIPMENT, BUT THERE, THERE ARE STILL A FEW PUMP STATIONS IN HERE.
SEE A COUPLE OF CABS, COUPLE DUMP TRUCKS IN HERE, SOME GENERATORS.
UH, THEY'RE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, I'D SAY SIGNIFICANT.
'CAUSE IT WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU GET LIKE 12 TO $15,000 OF RAW 15,000, 15 GALLONS OF RAW SEWAGE DUMPED OUT NEAR THE HOMES.
SO, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TRUCKS TO RESPOND TO THOSE, BECAUSE WE SEEM TO HAVE MORE AND MORE OF THOSE HAPPENING.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE TOTAL NUMBER WE NEED, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUMPING.
SO SEWAGE, WE HAVE, UH, EMERGENCY ON CONTRACTS
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AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THREE OF THOSE TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE IN-HOUSE.AND THEN WE HAVE A SCADA SYSTEM.
SO IF, IF WE KNOW THE LEAK IS ON AIR END OR AIRLINE, IT'LL USUALLY ALARM US.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ONE THERE THAT WE HAD IT RUNNING, MAN, IT'S PRETTY NASTY.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT ISSUE WHERE, UH, AIR, AIR PUMP STATION IN LINE RUNS INTO HRSD AT THE END OF OUR LINE.
THEY'RE PUTTING SOME SORT OF CHECK OR, OR BLOCK VALVE.
'CAUSE IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, IT WAS BACK FEEDING INTO H IT WAS THE HRSD SIDE.
AND WE HAD TO GET THEM TO SHUT THEIR VALVE OFF.
SO WE WERE PUMPING AND HAULING AND WAITING FOR THEM TO, UH, ISOLATE THEIR VALVE.
IT TOOK, IT TOOK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A COUPLE HOURS FOR HRD TO GET OUT THERE AND TURN THAT THING OFF.
AND THEN, UH, ANY, ANY SPILLS OF VIOLATION IN REPORTABLE? I CAN'T REMEMBER.
I THINK WE, I KNOW WE SENT YOU THE REPORT THERE.
I THINK IT'S LIKE 8,000 GALLONS OR FIVE 10.
I YOU'RE, NO, IT WAS UP AROUND 12,000.
SO THE, THE, THE NEXT THING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS I, I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE PROVIDE, UM, FUNDS TO SCHOOLS FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
SO THESE NEXT THREE, FOUR SLIDES ARE ALL RELATED TO SCHOOLS AND THEIR PLANS.
UH, JUST AS AN ASIDE COMMENT, I BELIEVE ON MONDAY EVENING, UH, SUPERINTENDENT WILL PROVIDE HIS, UH, RECOMMENDED BUDGET TO THE SCHOOL BOARD IF YOU HAVE ANY DESIRE TO WATCH THAT.
SO HERE, THIS IS PROJECTS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND HOW THEY'RE FANNED OUT ACROSS THE NEXT SIX YEARS.
MIDDLE SCHOOL PROJECTS, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ONES THEY HAVE ON TAP.
NONE IN 2025 HERE, A HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT IN BUSES.
SO SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD BE EXPECTING.
I, I WOULD POINT OUT TO YOU THAT, UM, ON THE LAST BULLET THERE, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT PULLING LED LIGHTS IN SCHOOLS.
THEY DO, THEY DO A REAL NICE JOB WITH THAT.
THESE ARE JUST SOME RANDOM PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING.
THIS IS A LITTLE LESS THAN $2 BILLION.
SO WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CI'S IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, IF YOU WENT BACK AND ADDED ALL THOSE THINGS UP, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THIS, UH, SECTION AT THE TOP IS CASH PAY AS YOU GO.
FUNDING FROM OPERATING TRANSFERS, CARRYOVERS GRANTS, UH, SURPLUSES, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
UH, SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE TYPICALLY PAY CASH FOR.
PAGE 1 49 OF THE BOOK SAYS THAT THE TOTAL FOR 2025 IS 21,000,008 70 BEFORE SCHOOLS.
BUT I'M ONLY SEEING 13 UP THERE.
I'LL ASK GREG TO LOOK INTO THAT.
PROBABLY GENERAL FUND, THIS IS JUST THE GENERAL FUND.
CAPITAL SAYS IT'S TOTAL OF ALL CAPITAL.
THE WASTE FUND ARE FUNDED WITH THEIR, THIS IS ONLY GENERAL FUNDS SUPPORTED CAPITAL, NOT YOUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS SUPPORTED CAPITAL.
WHEREAS THE TOTAL CAPITAL IN THAT INCLUDES ALL YOUR STORM WATER AND THINGS THAT ARE SUPPORTED WITH NON-GENERAL FUNDS.
JUST TO BE, JUST TO MAKE SURE.
AND THE BOTTOM TABLE SHOWS YOU WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON, UH, TAKING DEBT, DEBT FOR JUST AS A, AS AN OBSERVATION, WE WERE 10 MILLION OF, OF TOTAL COSTS IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR IN 24.
IS THAT ACHIEVABLE OR SUSTAINABLE REFERENCE TO WHAT? IT WAS 36, 13 MILLION WAS UP FROM 10 MILLION.
SO NORMALLY I WOULD, I MEAN, I SEE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE CA YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING? MM-HMM.
WELL, YOU SEE THAT BASED UPON WHEN THINGS COME TO, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA BE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
'CAUSE WHATEVER COMES OUT EVERY YEAR, AND THOSE TELL YOU IT'S A ROLLING ACROSS THE, THE YEARS.
AND SO WHATEVER POPS UP, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR.
LIKE YOU MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME WE END UP WITH POLICE STATION, EACH OF THESE NUMBERS
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ALL THE WAY OUT THROUGH 2030, UH, SHOW A ABOUT TO 20% INCREASE OVER WHAT THEY SHOWED LAST YEAR.SO A FUNCTION OF WHATEVER'S IN THE WHATEVER BUYING DOES, THAT'S STRICTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF INFLATION OR WELL, ONE OF THE, HAVE WE ADDED MATERIAL? ONE OF THE, IF IF I, ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MARK SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, THE OUT YEARS ARE A PLAN.
SO 25 THROUGH THE AS A PLAN, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE DID AS A COMMITTEE AND, AND, UM, AND ALL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO MOVE, POSSIBLY MOVE SOME OF THOSE OUT YEARS FROM THE 24 PLAN.
WE HAD TO MOVE THEM AROUND COSTS WERE ADJUSTED TO, TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.
SO WE DID RUN THIS CIP PLAN THROUGH OUR FUNDING MODEL, AND IT IS AFFORDABLE AND ACHIEVABLE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE 25 PLAN FROM LAST YEAR AND THE 25 THIS YEAR, AND YOU'RE COMPARING 'EM AND THE 26TH FROM LAST YEAR, WE DID MOVE THINGS, PRIORITIES CHANGE.
IT IS A PLAN FOR THE OUT YEARS.
I, I, I THINK I ANSWERED IT MAYBE.
I I GUESS THE CONCERN IS WE'RE UP THREE AND A HALF MILLION OVER WHAT WE HAD SHOWN IN THE SAME PLAN LAST YEAR FOR 2025.
SO WHERE IS THAT EXTRA FUNDING COMING FROM? WELL, AT THE MOMENT, LIKE I SAID, WE, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED RIGHT NOW, THERESA HAS RUN THROUGH HER MODEL AND SHE TELLS US THAT WE COULD, WE CAN HANDLE THIS.
SO THE PLANNED DEBT SERVICE OF, WAIT A SECOND, WAIT A SECOND, MARK.
WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, YOU UNDER, YOU'RE ANSWERING THIS QUESTION HERE.
I MEAN, YOU RUN THROUGH THE MODEL MODEL, OKAY.
WE CALL THE BIG HAND LITTLE MAP APPROACH.
UH, WHEN WE ASK A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IN REFERENCE TO AN INCREASE, THE IDEA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HIT ON IT WHEN YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN MOVING STUFF AROUND BECAUSE IT'S THE PLAN.
SO, BUT IF YOU DID, IF YOU THINK AN INCREASE IN THERE AND YOU, AND YOU'VE GOT IT, WE'RE GONNA FUND IT.
IS THERE ANY DIFFERENT, IS THERE ANY REVENUE SOURCE'S DIFFERENT OR IS ANY, ANY STRESS FROM SOME OTHER ASPECT OF THE BUDGET? SO WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? SO SOME OF THE ANSWERS, IT JUST, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOAT WASN'T IN THERE LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE FOR IT.
WE HAVE PROGRAMMED AN INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND, UM, TRANSFERRED TO PAY THE PAY GOES.
THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN, RIGHT.
WE USED SOME OF OUR, BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO RESTORE OUR RESERVES WITH SURPLUS, WE WERE ABLE TO USE MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL SURPLUS THAT OUR RESERVES, CAPITAL RESERVES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO USE IN 24.
SO WE YOU TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, PUT IT IN THE MODEL.
IS IT SOMETHING, CAN I TELL YOU EXACTLY, IT'S $3 MILLION MORE? AND EXACTLY.
THIS, THIS REVENUE SOURCE IS THIS, I THINK, NO, BACK TO THE EARLIER QUESTION.
IT'S, IT'S HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TAX DO WE HAVE TO RAISE IN TERMS OF REVENUE TO PAY FOR THIS? AND, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT 3 MILLION, MAYBE AS YOU SAID, A LOT OF IT IS COMING OUT OF OTHER POCKETS OR OTHER BUDGETS.
SO I THINK THE NUMBER I'M AFTER IS WHAT AM I PAYING AS A NET INCREASE AND WHERE ARE THE
THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TAKEAWAY.
BUT WE ADDED A $500,000 FOR THE PAYGO FROM, FROM 20, IF THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, IT'S 500,000 THAT WE ADDED.
AND AS A PAYGO TRANSFER THAT'S IN THE CIP PLAN PLAN.
FROM, FROM WHAT WE WOULD TRANSFER IN 24 4 24.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE USED IN THE 24 PLAN FOR THE 25.
IT MAY BE THE EXACT SAME $5 MILLION.
I, IT'S, SO THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASON I DIDN'T WANNA LET THAT GO BECAUSE, UM, GOVERNMENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, UH, SOMETIMES GET UNDER STRESS.
UM, AND IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL GO, OKAY, YOU GUYS TOO MUCH TAXES AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE ALL THE PRESSURE ON, ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO, UH, CUT THE TAX, CUT THE TAX, CUT THE TAX.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS TO SAVE ON, TO AVOID THE TAXES, IS THEY TAKE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THEY KEEP PUSHING 'EM OUT, PUSHING 'EM OUT, PUSHING 'EM OUT UNTIL IT BECOMES A CRISIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SAY, WELL, WE'RE NEVER GONNA DO THAT.
WE DID DO THAT WHEN WE CAME, WE DID DO THAT.
IT WAS GOING AT, WE WERE DOING THAT AND IT WAS GETTING, IT WAS RIDICULOUS.
AND IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE NOT FUNDING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND SCHOOL BUILDINGS WERE NOT GETTING FIXED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU ASK THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF DRIVING TO, IS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S
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COMING FROM AND THAT WE'RE NOT AVOIDING OUR OBLIGATIONS TO FIX OUR LAWN, TO FIX OUR ROOF, TO FIX OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR FIREFIGHTING BUILDINGS AND THE SHERIFF AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.AND SO I, I'M, I'M REAL SENSITIVE TO HAVING EXPERIENCED THAT.
I DON'T WANNA EXPERIENCE IT AGAIN.
AND SO WE'RE DOING, I THINK WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
SO WE NEED ALWAYS, I MEAN, SUPERVISORS WE GOT, IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE GONNA DO IT, SO WE GOTTA JUST WATCH IT.
IT'S NOT A CARTE BLANC BUDGET.
THERE HAS TO BE PUSHBACK IF IT'S BEYOND OUR AFFORDABILITY.
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M ASKING AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I, WHAT TERMS, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE GETTING AN ANSWER.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SIMPLE EQUATION, RIGHT? YOU SAW IT RAISED BY 3 MILLION.
WHERE'S IT COME FROM? WHERE'S IT COMING FROM? RIGHT.
SOME OF IT IS FROM A GRANT FOR THE VOTE.
SO JUST TAKE AWAY, SO I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, INCREASE IN TRANSFER, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT THERE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
BUT FOR, FOR GROUNDS ANYWAY, WE PUT IN FOR GRANTS FOR SOME OF THE WHITE FAULKNER AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HERE OVER THE LAST LIKE SIX MONTHS GROUNDS GOT THE, THAT THE SL FOR THE DAM FOR A MILLION AND WE JUST WE'RE INFORMED.
WE JUST WERE INFORMED THAT WE WERE GONNA GET ANOTHER $500,000 FOR CELESTIAL WAY.
WE JUST, SO WE'LL, WE'LL BUDGET IN IT FOR THE TRUE AMOUNT AND THEN AS IT COMES CLOSER, YOU KNOW, WE'LL START CHASING STAFF GRANTS AND, AND OTHER AVENUES.
AND SO OF IT SUBSTANTIAL DAY DOING IT TOO.
AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHAT YOU, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING IT'S AFFORDABLE, IS IT, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND, AND ARE WE GOING TO BE RAISING TAXES TO GET THE AFFORDABILITY? SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, WE'LL I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING TO IS WHERE'S THAT MONEY GONNA COME FROM? RAISE TAXES AGAIN, WHERE DOES THE AFFORDABILITY COME FROM? IS WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM AS A BOARD, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA DEVOTE ON THAT OR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE COIN.
ARE WE MISSING OPPORTUNITIES TO DECREASE SOME TAX BURDEN BY DOING IT? SURE.
SAME, SAME, SAME BASIC OF QUESTIONS.
ARE ARE YOU, ARE WE DONE? YOU READY TO MOVE ON? YEAH, KEEP GOING.
UH, SO WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE.
THERESA HAD TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL POLICIES WE JUST WALKED THROUGH, UH, THE CIP AND SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND SO NOW SHE COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE AFFORDABILITY COMES IN.
DOES THIS PLAN MAKE SENSE? IN OUR, IN OUR DEBT MODEL THAT WE DO USE, WE DO INCLUDE, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A GROWTH FACTOR IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
HOW MUCH DEBT WE COULD SUPPORT IN EACH GIVEN YEAR.
SO WE RUN THAT THROUGH TO MAKE SURE WE HIT OUR POLICIES, THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING.
SO IN LOOKING AT THIS SIX YEAR PLAN, AT THE END OF THE SIX YEAR PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, OUR, UM, OUTSTANDING DEBT TO ASSESSED VALUE WILL BE AT 1.3 AGAIN, WELL BELOW THE 3% THIS, CAN WE AFFORD THIS? CAN, CAN THE COUNTY AFFORD THIS? AND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS YES.
UM, OUR OTHER DEBT POLICY THAT WE LOOK AT IS 10% OF, OF, UM, OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
WE DO IN THE FUNDING MODEL, WE DO PUT IN A SLIGHT INCREASE.
I THINK WE USE 2% INCREASE IN OUR 13 TWO 3% INCREASE IN OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, IN THIS FUNDING MODEL IN 30, I MEAN IN THE, IN THE CIP PLAN, UM, WE'RE AT 9.5%.
SO DO WE HAVE, WE'RE WELL WITHIN OUR POLICY THERE AS WELL, JUST OVER THE, THE LIFE OF THIS PLAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DEBT SERVICE DOES GO UP TO THE 9.5 IN EACH YEAR AS THE PLAN IS, IS IMPLEMENTED.
THIS PLAN AS IT STANDS TODAY IS IMPLEMENTED.
SO THE THREE OF US WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING.
AND SO THE REASON FOR THIS INCREASE AT THE, AT THE 20, 29, 20 30 YEAH.
IS TWO BIG SCHOOL PROJECTS THAT ARE OVER $30 MILLION.
SO IT INCREASES, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO BORROW.
SO THAT'S WHY WE BUMPED UP AGAINST IT RIGHT THERE.
WE'RE NOT PAST IT, BUT THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT INCREASE.
THERE STILL, STILL IS AFFORDABLE, STILL WITHIN OUR DEBT, OUR DEBT POLICIES.
AND AGAIN, EVERY TIME, ANYTHING WE BRING TO YOU ALL AS A PLAN, WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WITHIN THOSE, THAT'S OUR GUIDE TO, TO HELPING YOU ALL MAKE DEC THE
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DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE.UM, THIS JUST SHOWS THE IMPACT OF, UM, THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THE DEBT SERVICE.
UM, OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS, NEXT YEAR WE'LL SEE AN INCREASE OF JUST A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
ANOTHER MILLION 1, 1 6, 1 8, 3 2, AND, UM, FOR A TOTAL IN SIX ONE AT THE END.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE, LIKE I SAID, THOSE BIG SCHOOL PROJECTS ARE COMING IN TOWARDS THE END.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WELL, MAYBE TEN TWO, MAYBE TEN FIVE.
NO, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THAT LINE.
YOUR FINANCIAL IS THAT YOUR, YOUR POLICY POLICY POLICY WE'RE ADOPTED AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TELLING YOU ABOUT IT NOW SO THAT YOU HAVE SOME AWARENESS OF IT AS WE PROCEED TOWARDS 2030.
SO WHAT OF THOSE SCHOOL PROJECTS COULD SLIP BY A YEAR AND IT'S RIGHT BACK DOWN TO NORMAL.
STEVEN, I'M SORRY, I MISSED, I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE AND I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED? I'M SAYING OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR POLICY IS NOT TO EXCEED 10%.
AND WE'RE AS, AS WE GO OUT TO 2030, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE AND CLOSER TO IT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA HOLD THE LINE AT 10%.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO TEN ONE TEN TWO, TEN 0.5 BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST THERE AND WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO YOU POLICY, THE FURTHER YOU GET OUT IN A PLAN, THAT'S CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING ANYTHING FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THAT ARE NOT GONNA MEET Y'ALL'S POLICIES.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET YOUR POLICIES AS THEY STAND.
SHOULD Y'ALL CHANGE 'EM? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS YOU KEEP 'EM JUST THE WAY THEY ARE.
SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS, SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, SO MR. HOARD'S SUGGESTION ABOUT REMOVING, UH, PART OF THE, UH, WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY OUT OF THE CIP, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND DO.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND CORRECT, UH, THE $2 MILLION IN THE CIP FOR, UM, QUEENS LAKE.
SO WE'LL MAKE SOME OF THOSE REFINEMENTS LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE STILL, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT AND TALK ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO.
UH, SO WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, UH, TO GO BACK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS.
THIS IS ONLY ONE PART OF THE BUDGET.
SO THE CIP AND THEN, UH, NEXT MONTH YOU'LL SEE THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
NOW, IT'LL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE CIP WILL CERTIFY THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH COMP PLAN, UH, LIKELY, UH, WITH TIM'S RETIREMENT.
THAT WOULD BE EARL ANDERSON DOING THAT.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND YOU'LL SEE HOW, UH, BOTH THE CIP AND OPERATING BUDGET DOVETAIL.
THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE SENT YOU, UH, IN YOUR WEEKLY PACKAGE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT SOME OF THE DATES AND TOPICS THAT WE THINK ARE, UH, APPROPRIATE TO THIS BUDGET.
SO WE'RE STILL OPEN TO, UH, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT.
IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTS FOR, PLEASE COMMUNICATE THOSE TO US AND WE WILL DO OUR VERY BEST TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ONCE AGAIN, MAY 7TH IS REALLY OUR DROP DEAD DATE.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, UH, AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SO FEBRUARY 20TH, YOU'VE GOT A PRESENTATION, BUT THEY'RE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT HAS NO IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET OR ARE THEY GONNA DROP WELL, THEY'RE GONNA WHAT THEY WANT FROM US.
WELL, NO, BUT THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT THE LOGISTICS OF, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
NO, THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LOGISTICS OF SETTING THE TAX RATE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO CHANGE THAT HANDBOOKS AND, AND ALL THOSE VALUES THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND HAVING BILLS PRINTED AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO ON BEHIND THE SCENES.
AND WHY MAY 7TH IS THEIR DROP DEAD DATE, THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT REALLY IMPACTS THEM.
YES, THE UHHUH THE MARCH 26TH LISTENING SESSION.
UM, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVEN'T SENT A CALENDAR INVITE FOR THAT YET? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE, I GOTTA GET THAT ON MY CALENDAR.
NO, ACTUALLY I ACTUALLY, I HAVE IT.
I JUST DIDN'T SCROLL DOWN FAR ENOUGH.
SEVEN O'CLOCK AT YORK TIME LIBRARY.
SO WE'RE HAPPY AND WE'LL KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE AFTER YOUR MEETING ON FRIDAY, DID YOU SAY? YES MA'AM.
SO WE'LL SEE IF THE RATES GO UP, BUT WE, I'M SURE THEY'RE, I'M SURE I'M GOING TO GO UP AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA GO UP, NO DOUBT THEY'RE GONNA GO UP.
AND THEN DO WE FIGURE THAT INTO COMPENSATION? WE'LL FIGURE THAT INTO THE
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OPERATING BUDGET, UH,SO THAT CONCLUDES, UH, OUR PRESENTATION ON THAT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE'D BE ASKED.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS GO ALONG.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO WRAP UP WITH? I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S A VERY GOOD PIECE OF WORK.
I WENT THROUGH IT COMPLETELY ON THE WEEKEND.
I'M GLAD YOU ARE 'CAUSE I AM TOO.
LOTS OF GOOD PROJECTS COMING AND I ACTUALLY VERY MUCH NEEDED, REALLY ENJOYED GOING TO IT.
I LIKE THERE ADDED THE WAY WAS PRESENTED AND NOTHING FURTHER FOLLOW IT.
I HAVE LOTS OF HEARTS IN A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DOWN THE WAY I MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, BUT YOU ALREADY ALREADY KNOW WHICH ONES THEY ARE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS.
WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT FOR LISTENING.
YEAH, THANKS Y'ALL PUTTING TOGETHER.
[CONSENT CALENDAR ]
MOVING ON.UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON CONSENT CALENDAR TONIGHT.
ONE IS APPROVAL OF A MINUTE FROM DECEMBER 19TH AND JANUARY 2ND.
UM, SECOND ITEM IS GENERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, IPR FUNDING.
AND THE THIRD ONE IS THE EXTENSION OF VERIZON CABLE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH YORK COUNTY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OF THE THREE THEY WANT TO PULL ASIDE FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OF THE THREE THEY WANNA PULL ASIDE TO VOTE ON INDEPENDENTLY OF ANYTHING ELSE? FIRST ONE, UH, APPROVAL MINUTES SINCE I'M NOT A BOARD MEMBER IN DECEMBER.
UH, THAT SHOULD BE PULLED OUT AND VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
BY THE THREE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE STILL HERE BY DECEMBER 19TH.
UM, JUST THE NINE 19TH THEN IT'S, IT IS, IT IS JUST THREE A.
SO THAT, ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT.
SO DO WE VOTE ON THE SET ASIDE ONE FIRST OR THE CONSENT CALENDAR? DOES IT MATTER? MATTER? OKAY.
SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO VOTE ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR MINUS ITEM THREE A.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS AMENDED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MINUTES.
[3a. Unapproved minutes of the December 19, 2023, Regular Meeting]
MOTION TO VOTE ON THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UM, THAT TAKES CARE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SO, UH, WE HAVE NO NEW BUSINESS.
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DISCUSSION.WELL, I HAD A COUPLE, UM, SO THE, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, MEMO EARLIER ON YORK 64, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCLUSION ON THAT, UH, MEMO TO, UM, TO THE BOARD, WHICH WAS, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
IT, IT BASICALLY, UH, SAID THAT THE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, ZONING, UH, WAREHOUSE PROJECT UNDER INDUSTRIAL PARK AS BY RIGHT.
AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT ORDINANCE, THAT ZONING CHANGE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO REMOVE THAT ARTICLE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR IT.
INDUSTRIAL PARK ZONING MOTION ON ORDINANCE 24.1 4 82.
UH, SECTION A ONE P, I'M LOOKING FOR IT AND IT'S DISAPPEARED ON THE LATER SIDE.
SO CHANGING THE ORDINANCE BY REMOVING COUNTY CODE THAT I JUST QUOTED GOING FORWARD IS POSSIBLE.
SHOULD IT BE TO THE BOARD'S DESIRE TO MAKE THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE, PLEASE COMMUNICATE THAT TO ME.
AS YOU KNOW, ANY PROPOSED CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES APPROPRIATELY ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS COMES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE BOARD, ADDITIONALLY, MEMBERS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WERE AWARE OF THE REQUEST AND ASKING TO ADVISE YOU AGAINST THAT CHANGE.
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THE ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS IS VALUABLE TOOL FOR THEIR MISSION.I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ORDINANCE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
YOU'RE ASKING THE BOARD, YOU'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO SPONSOR CORRECT.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL STUDY IT, BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD TO VOTE ON, THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL THAT SPONSORING IT.
SO DOES DOES THAT PUT IN IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION.
THAT'S JUST A DISCUSSION POINT.
WE ALL, HE'S ASKING, THAT'S ALL.
WE, WE AND, AND WE, EVERYTHING WE DO BY THE BOARD IS THROUGH, UH, SOME VOTE OKAY.
AND SO ALL WE'RE SIMPLY DOING IS MAKING DECIDE DO WE WANNA SPONSOR THIS TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ISSUE.
IT'D BE A PUBLIC HEARING ISSUE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE CHANGE.
BUT THIS IS JUST SIMPLY, UH, A RECOMMENDATION TO SPONSOR THE, THE, THE, THE CHANGE TO BE STUDIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I MEAN, AS WE'VE DONE THIS A LOT.
SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THINK HE WANTS TO DO THAT, RIGHT? SO THAT, OKAY.
SO NOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHETHER WE WANT TO REMIT IT BACK TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO, WELL, LET'S GET INTO DISCUSSION.
IF YOU, YOU WANT, YOU WANNA RUN IT THROUGH THE PROCESS? SURE.
UM, THE, WE PUT, WE DELIBERATELY PUT THIS INTO, UH, THE ORDINANCE THIS WAS A DELIBERATE, A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO, UM, SUPPORT BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT WAS A WAY TO, UH, TO THAT WE COULD PROMOTE THE LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT WAS ZONED, APPROPRIATELY ZONED.
I MEAN, THAT WAS VERY SIMPLE, JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, AND, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY IT WORKED BECAUSE THE, I, THE, WHATEVER YOU PROJECT IS, I'M GONNA CALL IT IT, I 64, BUT WHATEVER THAT PROJECT IS UP THERE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT, UH, THE COMPANY, UH, EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID, YEAH, WE WANNA DO THAT.
AND WE KNEW, UM, I, AND, AND JUST, JUST TO BE OPEN ABOUT IT, WE KNEW THAT, UH, THE WAY THE, UH, MS. MALONEY UP THERE WANTED TO SELL HER PROPERTY AND THE WAY SHE WAS TRYING TO DO IT, WE SAW, WE'VE HAD ALL KIND OF PROPOSALS COMING FROM OF THIS BOARD.
WE'VE HAD PROS WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BUILD SOME BIG, UH, HOUSING PROJECT DOWN THROUGH THERE.
THEY WANTED US TO BUILD, UH, WE WANT, THEY WANTED US TO COST SHARE WITH THE ROAD.
UM, AND THEN IT JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS EXPAND AND CONTRACTING, BUT IN THE END, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
UM, AND, UH, AND SO THEY EITHER SELL IT IF THEY'VE SOLD IT OR HOWEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.
BUT TO THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE, IT WAS, THAT WAS CREATED SO THAT WE WOULD PROMOTE BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.
THAT'S, AND, AND, AND I GO BACK TO THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN DOING THAT IS REDUCE THE TAX LOAD TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE TAX LOAD ON OUR CITIZENS.
AND THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN, BEEN ONE OF THE WAYS WE'VE, WE'VE APPROACHED THIS.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY, UH, JUST TO, I MEAN, JUST TO BRING AN ISSUE UP IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPROPRIATE AS IS.
I HAPPEN TO GO ALONG WITH TOM.
I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS FOR A WHILE AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WANNA DO THIS, BUT YOU KNEW TO THE BOARD AND THE PROCESS THAT THAT IS FOLLOWED THAT IS OBJECTED FOR ALL PEOPLE.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN CHERRY PICK THIS AND CHERRY PICK THAT.
WE DON'T LIKE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT VOTED ON BEFORE AND I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA BE OPEN THE ISSUE.
IT'S JUST MY, WELL, IF I COULD ADD MY COMMENTS, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WELL, IT'S STILL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD MY DISCUSSION.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, YORK 64 IS BEHIND US.
THAT, THAT IS, UH, A BUYRIGHT.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ISSUE.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT SAME AREA? SO ON THE REMAINING PROPERTY OF THE PROP OF THE POTTERY PROPERTY, UM, ZONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY COME THROUGH BY RIGHT.
WITHOUT OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT OR DEBATE.
AND THAT SEEMS TO ME A VERY LARGE GAP IN THE PROCESS.
I UNDERSTAND MR. SHEPHERD'S COMMENTS ABOUT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESS IN THAT AREA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESS AND GET COMMUNITY INPUT.
UH, I THINK BOTH HAVE TO BE ACHIEVED.
AND THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GAP IN MY VIEW, TO ALLOW A BUY RIGHT DECISION ON, ON PROBABLY THE SECOND LARGEST WAREHOUSE IN VIRGINIA,
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CERTAINLY IN THE, IN THE, THE LOWER PENINSULA.AND THAT GENERATES SUCH DRAMATIC CHANGE IN VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC THAT, UM, I JUST QUESTION WHY WE WOULDN'T ALLOW PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD REVIEW OF THOSE PROJECTS RATHER THAN STRICTLY A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
IT'S $9 MILLION WE'RE PUTTING INTO THAT ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF NO GROWTH.
IT'S A, IT'S A WAREHOUSE AND KELTON STATION.
SO MY, MY THOUGHT ON, ON THAT, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS SPONSOR AND ASK THE QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TAKE THAT BACK AND EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS STILL A VIABLE TOOL.
UH, OR THE LACK OF IT IS STILL A VIABLE TOOL, YOU KNOW, IN 2024 GOING FORWARD.
SO IT'S, WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EVALUATION.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THEIR INPUT, PROVIDE US WITH EVALUATION ON WHETHER THEY RECOMMEND YES, IT IS A VALUABLE TOOL FOR REASONS KEEP IT, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND YEAH, WE, WE, WE, WE SHOULD CHANGE ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE ASKING THEM FOR THEIR EVALUATION TO BRING IT TO US, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN THERE.
WE AS A BOARD, KEEP IT IN THERE OR, OR TAKE IT OUT BASED UPON OUR, WHAT WE KNOW AND, AND, AND THEIR EVALUATION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, UM, I THINK THAT'S WORTHWHILE HAVING, HAVING THAT EVALUATED.
THERE'S NO HARM IN, IN LOOKING AT THAT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GONNA DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA MAKE A CHANGE OR NOT.
WE MAY DECIDE TO LEAVE IT AS IS, OR BASED UPON INPUT, WE MAY MAKE A CHANGE TO IT.
I'M ALSO HOPING THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE IS A CHANCE OR, OR AVENUES WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS OR HAVE THINGS DONE THAT IT, IT PROVIDES A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS AND SO FORTH.
AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, LIKE YOU SAID, WE WANNA TRY TO BRING BUSINESS IN HERE.
WE WANNA STREAMLINE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
SO IS IT THE FACT THAT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS EXISTS OR THAT A SPECIAL USE PROCESS COULD BE MADE BETTER TO MAKE IT QUICKER, FASTER, CHEAPER, AND EASIER? BECAUSE IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY FOR A BUSINESS TO INVEST THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'LL SEE ANY PAY FOR IT.
THEY MAY GET TURNED DOWN AND THEY JUST SPENT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON IT.
AND IN WHICH CASE THEY GO, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOUR COUNTY HAS THIS REQUIREMENT, UH, POCOS DOESN'T.
I'M GONNA SET UP A PERCUSSION 'CAUSE IT, IT'S A SLAM DUNK FOR ME OVER THERE.
SO WE CAN'T RUN BUSINESS OFF AND HAVE, AND HAVE THAT IMPACT THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE LOST SOME TAX REVENUE THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT BALANCE IS, BUT IF WE WANT TO ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO EVALUATE THAT FOR US AND GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AS WELL AS CITIZEN INPUT AND SO FORTH.
'CAUSE THIS HAVE TO BE PART OF A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, THEN LET, LET'S GET THE INPUT.
AND, AND I WOULD ADD, ADD THE, THE POINT YOU MADE OF, IS THERE AN IMPROVEMENT WE CAN MAKE IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? AND, AND, AND, AND THIS IS, RIGHT.
AND I, I WOULD, AND I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT THE, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOT JUST LOOK BLACK AND WHITE, YES OR NO TO KEEP IT, BUT YES.
SO IT, IT'S WORTH, IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT.
DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GONNA DO IT, BUT IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.
I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT IT.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND GET IT RIGHT.
SO NOW THE COMMENT COMMENTS, UM, I, I'M CURIOUS.
THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WERE TO LOOK AT THIS AS YOU ARE REQUESTING IT WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD, BUT NOT WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
AM I CORRECT OR YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE? IT CAN'T CHANGE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE I YEAH.
THE I 64 PROJECT, BUT IF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT UP THERE, YOU CAN CHANGE, IT'S ONLY FUTURE.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING RETRO.
WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD CAN'T GO BACK.
YEAH, BUT I, BUT I, I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE ATTORNEY.
SO BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE SPECIFIC ASPECT OF A PROJECT OR OF THE, OF THE PLANS.
UM, WHAT'S THE LEGAL, IS THERE ANY LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS FOR DOING THIS? SO AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. HORO IS ASKING WOULD BE TO HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REQUEST THAT THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD REMOVE 24.1 4 82 P.
WHICH IS WHAT THE SPECIALIST, WHAT IT READS IS ALRIGHT, WHAT THAT READ.
SO WHAT THAT IS, IS THAT READS ALL USES PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
IN THE IL DISTRICT, SHALL ALSO BE PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
IN A BUSINESS OR INDUSTRIAL PARK LOCATED IN THE EO DISTRICT.
SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST IS, IS THAT THAT ONE PROVISION BE BE THERE, BE A BE AN AMENDMENT SPONSOR
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TO CONSIDER REMOVING THAT PROVISION WITH THE ADDITION OF ARE THERE IMPROVEMENTS WE CAN MAKE ON THE SUP PROCESS THAT REMAINS, OR IS THAT TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S TWO SEPARATE, I THINK, I THINK IT'S TWO ITEMS. WELL, I THINK YOU CAN ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO IT, BUT I THINK TRADITIONALLY THE WAY THAT THIS WORKS IS, IS THE BOARD WOULD SPONSOR A REQUEST TO STAFF BECAUSE LEGALLY ALL CHANGES TO ZONING HAVE TO COME UP THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.I MEAN, SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE POTENTIAL OUTCOMES IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WE DON'T RECOMMEND REMOVING THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MAKE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS BETTER.
I I I THINK THE ONE REQUEST OF REMOVING THIS LANGUAGE IS A SPECIFIC OKAY.
REQUEST ABOUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO LET'S SORT OF A GENERAL QUESTION THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED AS, OKAY, SO LET'S, LET'S ONE SPECIFIC THING AT THIS.
LET'S WORK IT, LET'S WORK IT THIS WAY.
IF THE END RESULT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES BACK, RECOMMENDS KEEPING IT AS IT IS AND WE VOTE TO KEEP IT AS IT IS, THEN A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, ALRIGHT THEN EN LISTING EVALUATION, I MAKE THAT PROCESS BETTER.
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST, I THINK WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION OF THE PLANNING GROUP TODAY.
WHAT DO WE WANT, WHAT WILL THEY BE ABLE TO DO TO HELP MAKE THAT PROCESS BETTER? YEAH.
BUT, BUT LET'S KEEP IT TWO SEPARATE, TWO SEPARATE THINGS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BRING 'EM TOGETHER.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO ASK FOR SPONSORSHIP.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? ANYBODY? OKAY.
UM, WE NEED TO NO, YOU JUST MAKE, SINCE IT'S, YOU GOT ENOUGH FOLKS TO SEND IT DOWN THERE, SO JUST SEND IT DOWN THERE.
SO WE DO, WE HAVE TO, I THINK YOU CAN DO IT.
I MEAN, I THINK PROBABLY HAVING A RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZE IT, IT WOULD BE BETTER.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE A MOTION AND DO IT THAT WAY AND VOTE ON IT TODAY SINCE IT APPEAR TO HAVE THREE VOTES, LET JUST MAKE A, LET'S JUST MAKE A MOTION AND DO IT.
MEMORIALIZE IT, PUT IT IN THE MINUTES AND YEAH.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A CHANGE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A STUDY.
SO THAT'S, BUT THAT'S WHY WE MAKE THE, TO MAKE THE CHANGE.
I THINK WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED BY MR. ROY IS TO A IS TO SPONSOR, IS TO HAVE THE STAFF PROPOSE TO THE ZONING, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT CHANGE TO THE CODE THAT WOULD REMOVE THAT PROVISION, HAVE PLANNING, REVIEW IT, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN HAVE THE BOARD ULTIMATELY HAVE THE FINAL SAVINGS.
HE'S MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHANGE.
SO WE'RE SPONSORING, WE'RE RECOMMENDATION.
WE DON'T GO BACK AND MAKE A RESOLUTION AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND THEN THE STAFF WILL TAKE ITS PLANNING, PLANNING WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THE BOARD WILL ULTIMATELY HAVE TO HAVE BOTH PLANNING AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON OKAY.
SO NOW LET'S DO ROLL CALL TO SEE.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, BOARD INTERACTION WITH SCHOOL BOARD AND, UH, I, I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD IN THE PAST HAS MET WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
AND I, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, TO PULL TOGETHER A MEETING EITHER OF THE, OF THE, UH, RESPECTIVE CHAIRS AND THE SUPERINTENDENT AND, UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, OR THE ENTIRE BOARD.
AND, AND I AND I AGREE, AGREE WITH THAT.
COVID ISOLATION WAS PART OF IT AND THEN IT WAS NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON, AND OTHER ISSUES KIND OF KEPT THE BOARDS FROM GETTING TOGETHER.
IN FACT, LAST FALL, I WANNA SAY, I SAT DOWN WITH DR.
SANDOR, OUR SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, AND SAID, HEY, COMING INTO A NEW YEAR, THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO GET, GET THE BOARDS BACK TOGETHER.
HE THOUGHT, HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AND HE WANTED TO DO IT SMALL SCALE FIRST.
SO SUPERINTENDENT, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, GET TOGETHER, PRELIMINARY, KIND OF SET THE GROUNDWORK LATE, LAY THE FIELD OUT, AND THEN LATER IN THE YEAR, PULLED BOTH WHOLE BOARDS TOGETHER AND ALL THE, ALL THE MECHANICS OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
BUT, UM, BUT I'M, I'M RIGHT ON BOARD WITH YOU.
I I GOT TOPICS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'D LOVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT IN THAT, IN THAT TYPE OF VENUE AND START TALKING ABOUT IT.
WELL, SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.
I WOULD INSTEAD OF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, AND THE REASON WE DID THAT OKAY.
IS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT STARTED
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BECAUSE OF ALL THE HOSTILITY THAT OCCURRED THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN THE BOARD, UM, BEFORE EVEN NEIL SHOWED UP, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HOSTILITY BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.UH, THEY WOULD ASK FOR MONEY THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA GET AND WE WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO 'EM.
AND WE ENDED UP FILLING UP THIS WHOLE BUILDING WITH TEACHERS SITTING DOWN THE HALL DOING WORK AND EVERYTHING.
AND WE HAD KIDS AND EVERYBODY WAS OUT HERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I SAID, OKAY, WE GOT THIS TWO, THERE WERE WARRING CAMPS.
AND SO WE HAD TO GET THE CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMANS WITHOUT MAKE, COULD WE GET TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
AND THEN WE HAD A KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, GOD, IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE PRELIMINARY, PRELIMINARY GET TOGETHERS.
AND THEN IT WAS A DECISION THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE BOARDS GET TOGETHER.
AND I THINK ONE BOARD, WE MET, MAYBE TWO BOARD GROUPS WE MET.
AND THEN ONE OF US, OUR SUPERVISORS JUST DECIDED THAT IT WAS, UH, ATTACK MODE.
WENT INTO ATTACK MODE AND, UH, ON THE, UM, ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEN IT WAS LIKE, NO ONE'S GONNA TALK TO EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, IT WAS STILL HOSTILITY.
BUT THEN WE GOT, WE ACTUALLY GOT TO WHERE WE WERE WORK.
THE, THE SUPERINTENDENTS AND THE, AND THE ADMINISTRATOR WERE WORKING TOGETHER.
UH, THEY, THEY, THEY'D BE REALLY DID A GREAT JOB AND WE COULD, AND THEN EVERYTHING MELLOWED OUT.
SCHOOLS WERE GETTING MONEY, WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE IT, GIVE 'EM MORE MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IT GOT TO BE A PERSONAL THING, OKAY.
WHERE ATTACKS, UH, FROM THIS BOARD ONTO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND THEN I GUESS THE SENSITIVITIES OF THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T GONNA MEET WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOT PERIOD, END OF SUBJECT.
THEY WERE JUST NOT GONNA MEET WITH US.
UM, AND SO, AND THEN, THEN WE JUST GONE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT, WITHOUT DOING ANY ACTION.
WE'VE GOT NOW THE VAST, I KNOW ALL THE SUPERVISORS, EXCUSE ME, ALL THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, MEMBERS OUT THERE AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THEIR THING, UH, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO.
UH, WE'VE GOT TWO NEW MEMBERS ON HERE AND, AND TO HAVE, THEY GO BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN MEET AND THEY JUST KIND OF HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF GET TOGETHER AND TO, TO DO WHAT? I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE ON THE END NOTHING WAS COMING OUT OF IT.
SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING, INSTEAD OF JUST DOING THOSE TWO, TO HAVE THE WHOLE BOARD TO SAY TO HELL WITH IT, WE'RE GONNA MEET, LET'S JUST GET TOGETHER AND MEET SHAKE HANDS, GO TO THE LIBRARY.
I DON'T CARE, BUT LET'S GET PAST THIS, THIS WAR CAMP STUFF THAT WE'VE GOT GOING.
AND I DON'T, AND I'M JUST NOT BUYING INTO THIS DEANTE STUFF.
WE, THEY'RE, WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP THE, WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP THE STUDENTS, THE SCHOOLS.
UH, AND AS, AS WE NEEDED, I DON'T NEED ANYTHING FILTERED AND I DON'T WANT ANYTHING FILTERED FROM SCHOOL BOARD.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY THINK.
AND I'M SURE THEY GOT PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT ARE GONNA BE WILLING TO STEP UP THIS TIME AND TALK, TALK TO US.
AND, UM, AND WE, WE SHOULD, THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IS IF WE HEAR IT UNFILTERED.
AND I MEAN, I, I'M STRONG, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, IS THAT I WANT 'EM TO HEAR FROM US UNFILTERED.
UM, 'CAUSE WE ALL HAVE, WE ALL HAVE OUR, I MEAN, I HAVE MY CONCERNS AND YOU HAVE YOUR CONCERNS.
AND THEN IT IS JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER YEAR THAT WE DON'T MEET.
AND, UH, WE USED TO, I MEAN THEY, THE MEETINGS USED TO BE WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD WAY DIFFERENT.
AND, UH, AND THEN I'M TIRED OF THAT.
I'M TIRED OF THIS THEM AND US KIND OF THING.
I THINK WE NEED TO ALL GET TOGETHER AND I, I JUST, I, I REALLY VERY MUCH WANT US TO ALL MEET TOGETHER.
WHAT KIND OF A MEETING WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE? THE SAME KIND OF MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE WE USED TO.
YOU AND I REMEMBER, WE, WE COULD, UH, THEY, THEY, WE CAN EVEN DO IT IN HERE.
UH, 'CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND LET US HEAR THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PARK.
WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL COME IN OR THE CHAIRMAN, NORMALLY IT'S GONNA BE THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THEY'LL PRESENT DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF TOPICS THAT THEIR BOARD, THEY'VE SAID THEY'VE WORKED WITH THE BOARD, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL SEE THE THINGS, IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT, FUNDING GENERALLY IS THE BIG ONE OF THE BIG ITEMS. AND IF THERE'S, THEN, THEN IF THERE'S AT THE END, ANYTHING, THEN WE CAN DO THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND TELL 'EM HOW TO, HOW SUCK EGGS AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE COMING AND DOING THE SAME THING WITH US.
BUT THE POINT IS, WE NEED TO SIT HERE FACE TO FACE.
AND WE USED TO ACTUALLY, DISTRICT FIVE WOULD SIT THERE.
WE EACH AND EACH, WE HAD A COUNTERPART RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.
I REALLY THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
SO I'M JUST, TO ME, CONTINUING THIS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN TO GET TOGETHER, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONNA ANSWER STOP HOLD, HOLD ON A SECOND.
SO CLEARLY THERE'S A DESIRE FOR THE BOARDS TO GET TOGETHER ON, ON BOARD WITH THAT.
I WASN'T, I WASN'T COMING FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE WAS HOSTILITY.
SO WE GOTTA EASE OUR WAY INTO IT.
I WAS COMING FROM MORE OF A LOGISTICS PERSPECTIVE.
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OUT HOW TO GET THE BOARDS TOGETHER, WHAT WE'RE GONNA COVER AND ALL THAT SO THAT WE COME IN AS, AS TWO OLD BOARDS AND BE PRODUCTIVE.SO WE, WE WANNA JUMP RIGHT INTO IT, FINE.
BUT I STILL WANT TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE TOGETHER.
I DON'T WANT JUST KIND OF WALK IN THERE, STAND AT EACH OTHER GOING, WHAT DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? WE NEVER DO IT THAT WAY.
WE WOULD ALWAYS GET, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT AN ADMINISTRATOR AND AUP AND A SUPERINTENDENT, AND THEY CAN HEAR FROM THEIRS, THEY CAN HEAR FROM OURS.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING WORK TOGETHER.
I'M JUST, I'M TIRED OF ALL THE, OVER THE, OVER THE YEARS OF THIS, THIS FILTERING.
NOW IF YOU NEED TO GET WITH 'EM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE GOT THINGS LINED UP.
BUT I DON'T, I DON'T NEED YOU TO TELL THEM WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
I WANT ALL OF YOU TO KNOW WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.
YOUR DISTRICT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
AND, UH, THEN YOU SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO DO.
AND IT JUST TURNED INTO JUST A, IT TURNED INTO THE WRONG THING.
SO I'M, I'M VERY STRONG ABOUT.
SO, SO MR. BELLAMY, TO FOLLOW UP ON OUR, OUR HALLWAY CONVERSATION, I GUESS YOU'VE GOT THE, THE BOARD DESIRE TO LET'S GET TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ONLY ONE LAST REMINDER.
WE DO HAVE TO DO AN STR WORKSHOP AT SOME POINT.
AND, AND THAT TR IS ON YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION IN MARCH.
AND I WAS, AND I, I WAS GONNA HIT UP ON THAT WHEN HE GOT THROUGH.
SO I, UM, YOU HEARD ME COMPLAIN ABOUT CONTRACTORS NOT DOING WORK.
YOU, AND IT'S, IT ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDS ME THAT, UH, AND YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS THAT EITHER, UM, THEY, THEY DON'T DO THE WORK.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THE WORK, BUT THEY TAKE YOU MONEY.
AND I WAS PRETTY FIRED UP OVER THIS THE LAST TIME I TALKED ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I HAD AN INDIVIDUAL AND RUNNING MAN WHO'D BEEN WHOSE HOUSE, UM, A PART OF HIS HOUSE IS STILL UNUSABLE.
DIDN'T HAPPENED TO BE A BATHROOM.
AND HE HAS A HOLE FROM INSIDE HIS HOUSE TO THE OUTSIDE OF HIS HOUSE.
AND THE CONTRACTOR SUPPOSEDLY WAS A, UH, UM, WELL, IT'S A WELL KNOWN CONTRACTOR, OKAY? ON 17.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, THE JOB'S NOT DONE AND STILL NOT DONE.
IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR AND THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING AND, AND, UH, THEY GOT PAPERWORK AND WHATNOT.
WELL, I RUN INTO A COUPLE MORE FOLKS, A COUPLE, A COUPLE MORE.
AND I'M SITTING THERE, UH, THINKING WHAT IN THE WORLD? SO I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT THIS.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
WE GOT ALL THESE SCAMS GOING ON.
I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU GUYS, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE $335 MILLION SCAM THAT TOOK PLACE HERE IN THE LAST 45 DAYS? MM-HMM.
WELL, THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS RIPPED OFF OF 47,000.
OKAY? NOW THIS HAD TO DO WITH CONTRACTOR.
THIS IS JUST PURE SCAMS. WELL, YOU GET DOWN TO IT AND YOU THINK A BUILDER IS DOING THE WORK OR A CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK ON YOUR ROOM, TAKES YOUR, OR PART OF YOUR HOUSE, IT TAKES YOUR MONEY AND NEVER SHOWS UP.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FORM OF A SCAM WHO PAY BEFORE.
AND, UH, AND SO EVEN IF HE SITS THERE AND SIGNS ALL THE PAPERWORK, ALL THE PAPERWORK, AND NEVER SHOWS UP, DOESN'T WORK, OR COMES IN AND DOES JUST, JUST AN ABSOLUTE BUFFOONERY JOB.
ALL RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT YOU, THEY, THEY, THEY AGREED TO DO.
SO I TALKED TO THE SHERIFF ABOUT IT.
HE SAYS, OH, THEY, THEY SHOULD CONTACT ME AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL THE SCAMS. HE SAID, YEAH, THAT'S A SCAM.
AND HE SAYS, I'VE GONE AFTER CONTRACTORS.
WE'LL GO DOWN THERE AND WE'LL DO, WE'LL TAKE AN, WE'LL DO AN INVESTIGATION ON THE SITUATION, AND IF WE HAVE TO, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY AND UH, AND WE'LL ARREST THEM, OKAY.
AND, UH, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE WORD OUT TO THE PEOPLE DON'T BUY.
DON'T JUST SIT THERE AND GO, OH MY GOSH, AND LET IT GO ON FOR, AND NOW I'M JUST, I KNOW THE SECOND PERSON NOW, IT HAS A, A FLOOR THAT'S NOW STARTING TO ROT OUT IN THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE CRAPPY WORK.
AND THEY, THEY'VE REALLY GOT A TON OF DOCUMENTATION.
CALL THE SHERIFF, CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, REPORT THE REPORT THE PROBLEM, AND LET THE SHERIFF THEN LET THE DEPUTIES COME OUT AND LET 'EM DETERMINE HOW THEY CAN INVESTIGATE THIS.
OKAY? YOU DO NOT NEED TO PUT UP WITH THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, OF BEHAVIOR.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.
UM, ALL I DO HAVE ONE THING REAL QUICK, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO SAY, UH, HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE, UH, DR. CARROLL OVER AT THE SCHOOL BOARD.
UH, I THINK ROSSIE WAS INVOLVED AT VDOT, UH, FOR GETTING SOME RESOLUTION FOR OUR PROBLEMS AT SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS OUT THERE, AND, UH, AS SOON AS THE OTHER CONTRACTOR WAS HIRED, UH, THEY GOT WITH THEM RIGHT AWAY AND SAID, HEY, WE'VE GOT THESE ISSUES.
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OUT THERE DOING THE WORK AS WE SPEAK.THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS, UH, GETTING THIS GENTLEMAN'S ISSUES TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I TALKED TO HIM THIS WEEK AND HE SAID, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL GET THESE THINGS RESOLVED.
SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORTS OF THE TEAM THAT CAME OUT THERE AND MET WITH US AND, AND HOPEFULLY IS PUSHING THE THING THROUGH, THROUGH THE FINISH LINE.
ALRIGHT, SO TEST UPON ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, NEXT WORK SESSION, MARCH, WHATEVER, FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE WORK SESSION.
THE OBJECTIVE BEING IS WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON WHATEVER CHANGES THAT WE FEEL APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME AND GET THAT PUT TO BED FOR THE, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING SO THAT, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON REQUESTS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE, THERE.
UM, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS NEXT TUESDAY AND THEN WE'LL NEVER LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
I'M NEXT WORK SESSION NEXT, SORRY.
BUT, UM, UM, NEXT MONTH YOU'S GOTTA SCHEDULE NEXT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THIS A BUDGET, GUYS, WE'RE GONNA APPLY AGILE METHODOLOGY TO THIS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO AGAIN, SOLVE ALL THE WORLD'S PROBLEM WITH STR IN ONE SHOT.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT, HAVE SOME THINGS TO THAT I LIKE TO SEE ON IT.
CHANGED ON IT AND CODIFIED ON IT.
SO, BUT YOU'RE THINKING CAPS ON.
I'M READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GET THAT KNOCKED OUT AT, AT THAT WORK SESSION.
SO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT.
SO WE'VE ALREADY BEEN UP, DOWN THE, THE MOUNTAIN ABOUT THE CHAIN, RIGHT? OKAY.
ALRIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA, WE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT BASICALLY CAME BACK ON US.
OUR STAFF HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN AND WHAT I NEED, I NEED THE COLLECTION OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE WITH 'EM.
SO MAKE SURE WE ALL GET THAT COLLECTION.
AND SO WHEN WE COME IN HERE, THEN, THEN WE, WE, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE'RE GONNA SAY, THIS IS IT OR, OR DO WE NEED TO DO MORE WORK OR WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO SETTLE ON A STR ORDINANCE THAT NIGHT.
AND IT COULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
OR WE COULD MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL DISTRACTIONS TO IT, BUT END OF THE NIGHT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, SORRY, THIS IS NOW, THIS IS NOW OUR STR ORDINANCES FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE BASICALLY 30 DAYS TO WHEN YOU COME IN, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE READY TO GO.
THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PAST BEFORE AS SOON AS WE CAN GO.
AND I HAD SHARED SOME WITH YOU LAST YEAR OR TWO AND UM, I CAN FIND THEM AND RE RESEND THEM JUST BECAUSE I THOUGHT I'LL PROBABLY GET A PILE OF IT BECAUSE I WAS, I WAS THINKING AT SOME TIME AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE CLEARED ALL THE LAST YEAR OUTTA WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D GET TOGETHER AND THEN, THEN, THEN WE WOULD, WE, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO SOLVE THIS.
IT'S GONNA BE US AT THIS TABLE SOLVING IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING RIGHT NOW.
THE STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
WE, WE TURN IT DOWN AND THAT THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE TO GO BUT US.
AND WE, AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR LIKE, IT'S SO SET IN CONCRETE THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT EVEN NEEDING ANYMORE.
THERE'S, THERE STILL SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE GOOD CALLS FOR THE, FOR THE BEST OF THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO IT IT CAR BLANCHE, IT IS SO LOCKED IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEEWAY TO GO.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IN THIS CASE, NEIGHBORHOODS NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION.
WELL, JUST WHICH I'M SAYING WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE CAR BLANCHE.
OKAY? THERE'S NO HAMPTON, I THINK IT'S THE CITY HAMPTON, MAY HAVE BEEN NEWPORT NEWS.
ONE OF THEM IS GOING IN WITH A TEAM NOW TO TRY TO SOLVE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND IT IS NOT UNCOMMON, UH, IN FACT THIS IS THIS KIND OF EFFORT'S BEING DONE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.
UM, AND I KNOW SPECIFICALLY IN VIRGINIA, THERE'S A FEW MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING.
IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING FROM, FROM NEWPORT NEWS, I DON'T, I MEAN, I'LL GO WITH ANYBODY THAT'S, WE GOT SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
UH, 'CAUSE WHO KNOWS, THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY FIT WITH US.
BUT I'M, I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE PROCESS.
RIGHT? AND, UH, AND WE'LL, WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
WE GOT PEOPLE WAITING ON US TO MAKE A DECISION, RIGHT? SO LET'S, LET'S PLAN ON MAKING THAT DECISION NEXT MONTH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS A ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT CAME UP THROUGH PLANNING THAT IS, THAT IS STILL STILL HANGING OUT HERE, ENDING BUSINESS.
WOULD PRESUMABLY BE THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE DISCUSSION.
DOES THAT HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING? WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT A LOT POTENTIALLY, BUT THE, IT CAME UP THROUGH PLANNING, PLANNING VETTED IT, PA UH, A RECOMMENDATION WE MADE NO CHANGES SEND TO THE BOARD.
THE BOARD CONSIDERED IT, AND I BELIEVE TO TABLE IT CHANGES.
AND SO THE BOARD CAN STILL PURSUANT TO STATE LAW ACT ON THAT.
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HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.I, I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND HAVING ADVERTISING AT A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, BUT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY ACT ON WHAT WAS ALREADY SET UP.
BUT IF YOU WANT THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT A WORK SESSION.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE WORK SESSION.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT AT THE WORK SESSION.
WE, IT WAS, IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WE TABLED IT BECAUSE WE, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS ON EXCEPTION.
WE WERE ALL WORRIED ABOUT THE BITS AND PIECES.
AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, THE STAFF HAD PUT SOME EFFORT INTO THIS.
THEY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT.
BUT IN THIS, BUT THEY WERE FINDING THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF VARIATION.
I MEAN, IT JUST WASN'T, WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAD.
I MEAN, IT WAS STUFF BUT NOT ENOUGH.
WE WEREN'T ANSWERING, WE JUST COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE THAT, BUT BRING IT OUT, SHOW IT, GIVE THEM, GET, GET US ALL THE COPY OF THAT, PUT IT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE NOTES OR WHATEVER.
WE GOTTA HAVE IT SO WE CAN WORK ON THIS STUFF.
MY MY MY POINT BEING THAT YOU HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK TO TALK ABOUT AND ONCE YOU DECIDE THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, WE CAN DISCUSS THE BIG STEPS.
THE BEST MECHANISM TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO CAN I MAKE A PROPOSAL THEN THAT IF WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN SOMEBODY COMPILE THOSE AND GET 'EM OUT TO US INSTEAD OF ASKING YOU? YOU DOING SOME, YOU DOING SOME? THAT'S WHAT MARK'S GONNA DO.
SOME BOARD CORRESPONDENCE AND THEN, OKAY, WE'LL HAVE AARON GET IN A FRIDAY.
BUT LET'S COME READY TO WORK NEXT.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE INTO CLOSED SESSION, UM, FOR, UM, A PERSONNEL MATTER SPECIFICALLY IN DISCUSSING THE APPOINTMENT OF A PERMANENT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
ANY, ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YOU GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON THIS, RIGHT? YES.
SO LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT, THEN WE WILL MOVE IN A CLOSED SESSION.
MRS. BROWN, THAT'S WHO WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
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THAT, TAKE US IN A CLOSED SECTION PLEASE.I WOULD TAKE US INTO CLOSED SESSION.
UH, ACCORDING IN ACCORDANCE TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 71, 11 81 OF DAKOTA, VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENE AND CLOSE MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER, OFFICER, OFFICE, EMPLOYEE, EMPLOYEE APPOINTEE.
IT SAYS SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER APPOINTEE, EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEE RIGHT.
SLASH SLASH SLASH SLASH SLASH SLASH SLASH.
MRS. RYAN, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON.