Dec 19, 2023 Board of Supervisors

UM, IF EVERYBODY PLEASE RISE IF POSSIBLE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THROUGH THE REPUBLIC FOR WIDGET STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

FIRST PRESENTATION TONIGHT WILL BE THE AWARD OF THE QUILT OF VALOR TO HONOR, UH, WALTER C ARIBA, AND I WILL CALL FORWARD SUSAN ANTHONY AND TERRY PAYNE, UH, PEACEMAKER FROM THE PEACEMAKERS CHAPTER OF THE QUILT OF VALOR.

THE

[1* Presentation of Quilt of Valor to Honor Walter C. Zaremba by Susan Anthony and Terry Payne, Peacemakers Chapter of the Quilts of Valor.]

WILL YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE? AND WALT, LET'S GO DOWN THERE PLEASE.

LAUREL AND BOBBY, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? OKAY.

SAW IN THIS VISION WAS A YOUNG MAN WHO WAS AT WAR, BUT HE WAS SITTING ON THE SIDE OF A COTT AND HE HAD HIS HEAD IN HIS HAND, AND HE WAS VERY DISTRAUGHT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE VISION CHANGED, AND HE WAS WRAPPED IN A QUILT, AND IT WAS LIKE THE DEMONS HAD LEFT HIM, AND HE WAS AT PEACE, AND SHE THOUGHT SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE.

COLONEL WALT REBA IS A VETERAN OF THE US ARMY.

HE SERVED AS A GREEN BERET DURING HIS FIRST COMBAT TOUR TO VIETNAM, RETURNING FOR A SECOND TOUR.

HE SERVED AS THE OPERATIONS OFFICER OF A DIRECT SUPPORT ARTILLERY BATTALION, WHERE HE SERVED AS DIRECT SUPPORT FOR NORMA SCHOFF ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION, A MUCH DECORATED OFFICER.

HIS COMMENDATIONS INCLUDE THE NATIONAL DISTINGUISHED SERVICES MEDAL AND THE PURPLE HEART.

HIS TOURS OF DUTY INCLUDE KOREA, GERMANY, SOMALIA, ITALY, AND AS ALREADY MENTIONED, VIETNAM.

HE IS A GRADUATE OF BOTH THE COMMAND AND GENERAL STAFF COLLEGE AND THE ARMY WAR COLLEGE.

WALT RETIRED AFTER 33 YEARS AS A COLONEL, AND WAS INDUCTED INTO THE FORT SILL OKLAHOMA FIELD, ARTILLERY OCS HALL OF FAME IN 2006.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AS WE HONOR COLONEL ARIBA AND HIS CONTRIBUTIONS TO, UH, ADDING TO THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ALL ENJOY.

FIRST OF ALL, WE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THE FALLEN COMRADES.

LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT QUILTS OF VALOR BEFORE WE DO THE PRESENTATION.

IN 2003, A LADY NAMED CATHERINE ROBERTS, UH, HAD A SON WHO WAS IN, UH, VIETNAM, AND HE WAS A GUNNER.

NOW, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A GUNNER IS, A GUNNER IS A MAN THAT SITS ON TOP OF A TANK AND MANAGES THE GUN.

I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT CATHERINE ROBERTS STAYED IN A CONSTANT STATE OF FEAR, AND ONE NIGHT, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU READ, UH, SHE HAD A VISION OR A DREAM.

AND WHAT SHE

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SO, BEING A QUILTER, SHE MADE A QUILT AND SHE WENT TO WALTER REED AND PRESENTED IT TO A YOUNG MAN WHO HAD BEEN WOUNDED IN WAR.

AND SHE SAID, THE LOOK ON THAT YOUNG MAN'S FACE WAS ENLIGHTENING.

SO WHAT SHE DID IS SHE BEGAN WHAT IS CALLED QUILTS OF V.

SHE THOUGHT THAT QUILTS EQUAL HEALING.

THE MISSION OF QUILTS OF BALLAH IS TO COVER ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS WITH A QUILT.

SINCE THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY WAR, AND MANY TIMES WE SEE THE PHYSICAL SCARS, BUT WE DON'T SEE OTHER SCARS THAT HAVE HAPPENED DURING WAR.

WE ALWAYS HONOR OUR FALLEN HEROES, BUT SOMETIMES THE OTHER HEROES KIND OF GET BETWEEN THE CRACKS.

NOW, QUILTS OF VAL IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS OVER 10,000 MEMBERS, AND IN THE PAST 20 YEARS, MORE THAN 300, 390,000 QUILTS HAVE BEEN AWARDED TO VETERANS AND SERVICE MEMBERS.

WE MEET ONCE A MONTH, SOMETIMES TWICE A MONTH, MAYBE THREE TIMES A MONTH, DEPENDING ON THE MONTH, AND WE SOW.

NOW, CATHERINE ROBERTS INSISTED THAT THESE QUILTS WOULD BE MADE PERFECTLY, AND I ASSURE YOU, I HAVE RIPPED OUT MANY THINGS IN THESE QUILTS.

THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT.

THEY ARE STRUCTURED SO THAT THEY WILL NOT COME APART.

THEY ARE PERFECT, AND THEY ARE MADE WITH TONS AND TONS OF LOVE BY MANY VOLUNTEERS WHO GIVE OF THEIR TIME AND THEIR TALENTS TO SOW THESE QUILTS.

A QUILT OF VALOR IS, IS A, A, EXCUSE ME, A CIVILIAN LIFETIME AWARD.

AND IT'S IN RECOGNITION OF YOUR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE TO OUR COUNTRY, AND WE HONOR YOU, AND IT IS TO COMFORT YOU.

IT IS A GIFT.

IT'S NOT A GIFT.

IT'S PRICELESS.

THOUGH WE MAY NEVER KNOW THE DEPTH OF YOUR SACRIFICE AND THAT YOU GAVE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

BUT ON THE BEHALF OF THE QUILTS OF VAL FOUNDATION AND A GRATEFUL NATION, WITH OUR DEEPEST APPRECIATION, WE SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE WITH THIS QUILT OF VAL AWARD, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WELCOME HOME.

SHOW EVERYBODY YOUR BEAUTIFUL,

SO, COLONEL REBA ALSO SERVED DURING THE VIETNAM WAR, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, HE IS GETTING A VIETNAM WAR PIN.

THE QUILTS OF VALOR FOUNDATION HAS PARTNERED WITH THE UNITED STATES VIETNAM WAR COMMENDATION PROGRAM TO HONOR AND THANK ALL VETERANS WHO SERVED ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE US ARMED FORCES.

FROM NOVEMBER 1ST, 1955 TO MAY 15TH, 1975, 9 MILLION AMERICANS SERVED ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE US ARMED FORCES DURING THAT PERIOD OF THE VIETNAM WAR, APPROXIMATELY 6 MILLION ARE STILL LIVING IN AMERICA AND ABROAD TODAY.

WHILE NO WORDS WILL EVER BE FULLY WORTHY OF YOUR SERVICE, NOR ANY HONOR TRULY BENEFIT THEIR SACRIFICE, LET US REMEMBER THAT IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ANSWERED THE CALL OF DUTY WITH COURAGE AND VALOR.

WE REMEMBER THE MORE THAN 58,000 WHO MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.

WE PAY TRIBUTE TO THE BA, THE BRAVE PATRIOTS WHO SUFFERED AS PRISONERS OF WAR, THOSE WHO WERE INJURED, AND THEIR FAMILIES FOR THEIR SERVICE AND SACRIFICE TO OUR NATION.

THIS PRESENTATION OF A VIETNAM VETERAN LAPEL PIN WILL NOW BE MADE AS AUTHORIZED BY THE NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT THROUGH THE UNITED STATES VIETNAM WAR COMMENDATION PROGRAM, THE GRATEFUL NATIONS THAT'S IN THE SERVICE, THEY ARE GETTING GONE.

YOU GOT IT? SO WE HAVE, UM, A CERTIFICATE FOR BOTH THE PIN AND THE QUILT, AND, UM, YOU CAN WASH THESE AND USE THESE AND, UM, JUST WE WANT YOU TO BE WRAPPED IN IT.

IF YOU WEAR IT OUT, WE'LL MAKE YOU A NEW ONE.

WE'RE HONORED.

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WELL STRAIGHT, JUST UP REMISS IN SAYING THAT BOBBY VERMILLION, HIS SON, UH, MADE THE RECOMMENDATION NOMINATION FOR HIM TO GET THIS AWARD.

TERRY AND I ARE SETTING IN FOR LES AND, UH, TAMMY WALLACE FROM THE TRIANGLE, PATRIOT TRIANGLE, QUILTERS.

THEY ARE TRAVELING, AND SO WE AGREED TO COME IN AND GIVE YOU THE AWARD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING IT.

GREAT.

I WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS, I SO YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE AND IT WOULD, OKAY.

YES, BOB? UH, BOBBY, YOU STAY UP HERE PLEASE.

UH, HEATHER.

OH, GO TAKE A PICTURE.

LEMME GET JUMPED IN HERE.

I, I WANT YOU STAY HERE.

I WANT YOU TO, I, I'M GONNA GIVE, I'M GONNA PRESENT HIM A RESOLUTION.

I NEEDS YOU TO STAY HERE.

I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM GET OFF THE STAGE RIGHT, UH, YET.

SO IF HE CAN BRING ZUMBA'S PROCLAMATION, PLEASE.

ROB'S HEIGHT MADE IT CONFUSION .

TODAY, BUT FIRST OF ALL, LET ME THANK EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE TONIGHT AND GREATER A BUNCH OF YORK COUNTY CITIZENS YOU'RE NEXT FOR.

UM, TONIGHT WE'VE GOT THREE PRESENTATIONS AND THREE RESOLUTIONS.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING IT TO IS HAVE, UH, REALLY BEEN AT THE, AT THE TOP OF GOVERNMENT IN PROVIDING SERVICE, LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE.

AND TONIGHT, I'M, UH, PROUD TO PRESENT, UH, THE PROCLAMATIONS ACCOMMODATION TO WALTERS ARIBA AT YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS 1996 TO 2023.

WHEREAS WALTER ARIBA HAS DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF BY HIS EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEING FIRST ELECTED IN 19, UH, NOVEMBER 7TH, 1995.

AND WHEREAS HE, UH, FURTHER DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF BY HIS UNWAVERING DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM JANUARY 1ST, 1996 THROUGH DECEMBER THE 31ST, 2023.

AND DURING HIS TERM, MR. ZAREMBA SERVED AS CHAIRMAN IN 2000, 2006, 2009, AND 2013.

AND HE, AND IT WAS A BUNCH OF TIMES HE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN ALSO.

I WON'T READ ALL THOSE.

UM, HE PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH ENERGETIC AND INSPIRING OPTIMISM REPRESENTING DISTRICT ONE, GOD'S COUNTRY, UH, AND THE COUNTY WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND DIGNITY, WITH ALL THE CITIZENS' BEST INTEREST IN HEART.

MR. ZAREMBA COLLABORATED ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WITH NUMEROUS REGIONAL COMMITTEES AND ASSOCIATIONS, INCLUDING THE GREATER WILLIAMSBURG CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF, OF, EXCUSE ME, THE WILLIAMSBURG CHAMBER AND TOURISM, THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA DESTINATION MARKETING COMMITTEE, THE HAMPTON ROADS MAYORS AND CHAIR CAUCUS, THE PENINSULA MAYORS AND CHAIRS CAUCUS, THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE COLLABORATIVE, THE YORKTOWN YORKTOWN DAY ASSOCIATION, THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA MEDICAL ASSISTANCE COUNSEL, AND THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

HE INITIATED AND PARTICIPATED IN THOUGHTFUL AND BENEFICIAL DISCUSSIONS ON VARIOUS LAND USE AND DRAINAGE ISSUES IMPACTING RESIDENTS IN THE KING'S MILL DEVELOPMENT, RESULTING IN, IN SOLUTIONS BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE COUNTY, UH, AND THE IMPACTED RESIDENTS.

MR. REBA BROUGHT ATTENTION TO AND HELPED RESOLVE VARIOUS TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUES FOUND IN THE BUSY TOURIST, UH, VICINITY OF THE UPPER COUNTY BY IMPROVING PEDESTRIAN, UH, CROSSWALKS AND ASSOCIATED SIGNAGE.

UH, HE WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER COULD ENJOY A PEACEFUL, SAFE COMMUNITY FILLED WITH QUALITY OF LIFE OPPORTUNITIES BY, UH, NOW THEREFORE BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT WALTERS REBA B.

AND HE IS HEREBY COMMENDED FOR HIS DEDICATED EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF YORKIST CITIZENS.

FURTHER, BE IT PROCLAIM THAT THE BOARD EXTENDS ITS HEARTFELT BEST WISHES TO MR. ZUMBA AND HIS FAMILY FOR CONTINUED HAPPINESS AND SUCCESS IN ALL FOR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

WALT, CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GREAT SERVICES.

OKAY, VERY GOOD.

WELL SAY A FEW WORDS.

I'VE, I'VE BEEN SCOLD ALREADY TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND NOT MUCH MORE

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ALLOW ME TO SERVE THAT FOR 28 YEARS.

SEVEN TIMES FOUR.

I THINK IT'S ONE EIGHT, RIGHT? I GOTTA TELL YOU, UH, MY ETHNICITY IS BOTH ON ONE HAND THAT'S , BUT IT'S SPANISH ON THE OTHER.

AND, AND IF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES, THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SPANISH CAN BE A LOT MORE EMOTIONAL THAN THE POLLOCKS.

OKAY? SO IF I START TO CRY, THAT'S WHY NOW WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD TOO FAST 28 YEARS, SUFFER PEOPLE IN GEORGE COUNTY.

TWO FAST STARTED PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FOR 33 YEARS.

WHEN I ADDED THAT UP, LIKE 61 YEARS, I THINK WHO PRESENTED WITH MY ADDRESS, MY MATCHES.

CORRECT.

UH, CHAD GREEN IS JUST ONE ELECTION AND WILL BE SERVING, UH, IN THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES.

AND IT IS TIME, I THINK, FOR US TO STEP ASIDE AND LET THE YOUTH OF THIS COUNTY STEP UP AND TAKE MY PLACE, UH, BECAUSE I HOPE TO ASK, DID I ASK THIS QUESTION? WALK.

YOU TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD FOR 33 YEARS IN THE ARMY, OKAY? WORD IS THE BEST PLACE, IN YOUR OPINION TO RETIRE.

AND I SAY, AND SAID TO MYSELF TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND WHOEVER'S ASKED ME THE QUESTION, I BET YOU THERE'S A BETTER PLACE TO RETIRE THAN YOUR COUNTY.

I CAN'T BID HERE THIS.

NOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT,

[2* Presentation of Proclamations. ]

AND, UH, SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR, FOR, UH, HIS TIME UP HERE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM 2016 TO 2023.

AND WHEREAS MR. CHAD GREEN WAS FIRST ELECTED AS CITIZENS, UH, BY THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY AND DISTRICT THREE ON NOVEMBER THE THIRD, 2015 SEEMS JUST LIKE YESTERDAY, DOESN'T IT? IT DOES .

HE HAS DISTINGUISHED HIMSELF BY HIS EXEMPLARY SERVICE ON THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM JANUARY THE FIRST, 2016 THROUGH DECEMBER THE 31ST, 2023.

UH, DURING THIS TENURE, DURING HIS TENURE, MR. GREEN HAS SERVED AS VICE CHAIRMAN IN, UH, 2019 AND CHAIRMAN DURING 2020 AND 2021.

HE LEFT NO STONE UNTURNED WHEN IT CAME TO SUPPORTING THE CITIZEN, THE, YOUR COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION, SO THAT OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE BEST POSSIBLE EDUCATION AND FACILITIES OF WHICH WE ARE PROUD.

MR. GREEN SERVED AS THE BOARD'S LIAISON TO THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION FROM, UH, THE 20 20 15 20 16 TO THE 20 20 20 21 SCHOOL YEAR, DURING WHICH TIME HE PROVIDED INVALUABLE GUIDANCE TO THE GROUP AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, AND SERVED AS AN EXCELLENT ROLE MODEL FOR THE NEXT GENERATION.

HE HAS COLLABORATED ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL, EXCUSE ME, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY WITH NUMEROUS REGIONAL COMMITTEES AND ASSOCIATIONS, INCLUDING THE COLONIAL COMMUNITY CRIMINAL JUSTICE BOARD, THE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE YORK COUNTY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE VIRGINIA PENINSULA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE YORKTOWN DAY ASSOCIATION, THE PENINSULA MAYORS AND CHAIRS CAUCUS, AND THE WILLIAMSBURG TOURISM COUNCIL.

MR. GREEN HAS SERVED AS A FAITHFUL MEMBER OF THE COUNTY COUNTY'S MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY'S CURRENT PLAN ENTITLED YORK 2024, CHARTING THE COURSE, WHICH INVOLVED COUNTLESS EVENING MEETINGS.

YES, IT DID.

THERE'S MORE THAN A FEW.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, THE, UH, SEE, WHEREAS THE COUNTY HAS CONTINUED TO EXCEL IN EVERY, UH, GOOD WAY DURING HIS TENURE DUE TO HIS TIRELESS EFFORT AND WORK ON ITS BEHALF, WHEREAS THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISH TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND COMMEND MR. GREEN FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE YORK COUNTY AND, AND, UH, SEE AT THE END OF HIS TERM ON THE BOARD NOW, THEREFORE BE IT, UH, PROCLAIMED BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT MR. CHAD GREEN BE AND HIS HEREBY COMMENDED FOR HIS DEDICATED AND FAITHFUL SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF YORK AND ITS CITIZENS.

I REFER TO YOU IN GENERAL AS THE CAST OF CHARACTERS.

SAY A FEW WORDS IF YOU'D LIKE, .

I'VE GOT SOME PREPARED REMARKS THAT I'M GONNA MAKE LATER, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK, UH, MY WIFE AND MY KIDS FOR ALLOWING ME THE CHANCE TO COME OUT AT NIGHT AND, UH, SERVE THE CITIZENS.

I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND I, I SEE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, AND NOT ALL THE TIME DO WE AGREE, BUT IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT HERE.

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AND MR. KENNEDY, YOU ARE THE, THE LEADER IN THE CAST OF CHARACTERS, UH, BACK THERE FROM, FROM DISTRICT ONE.

AND, UH, BOB HOON, WHERE ARE YOU? I SAW YOU EARLIER.

UH, YOU, YOU WERE THERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT, UH, THROUGHOUT AND I, I CAN KEEP GOING AND GOING.

I SEE MR. UH, BILL COLE OVER THERE, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE CITIZENS' INPUT AND, UH, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

AND I MIGHT BE LEAVING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT I'LL NEVER EVER BE LEAVING THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY, UH, AND MY FRIENDS HERE.

AND I JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOU OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN A TRUE, UH, HONOR, AND, UH, I JUST CAN'T, UH, THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOU.

AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING YOU AT ANOTHER LEVEL OF THE STATE AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYBODY COMING UP TO RICHMOND AND, UH, VISITING AND, UH, COMING BY THE OFFICE AND SAYING, HEY.

SO ANYWAY, INCLUDING YOU, MR. KENNEDY .

HEY, NEIL.

I THINK WE'VE ABOUT REACHED MY LIMIT, MY READING CAPABILITY HERE, BUT THIS IS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH, ESPECIALLY, UH, SAY GOODBYE TO FOLKS THAT ARE BEEN, BEEN WITH US IN, IN THE TRENCHES AND TRY AND SOLVE ISSUES IN THE COUNTY.

AND, UM, NEIL MORGAN IS, AS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, HOLDS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART BECAUSE HE CAME IN AFTER MAC PASSED AWAY AND, UH, AND HAS TAKEN UP THE, UH, MANTLE AND, AND DONE JUST TREMENDOUS JOB.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE COME, UH, COMMENDATION AND APPRECIATION OF NEIL MORGAN TO YORK COUNTY ADMIN, YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FROM 2015 TO 2023, WHEREAS YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WISHES TO COMMEND AND RECOGNIZE NEIL MORGAN FOR HIS OUTSTANDING LEADERSHIP AND DEDICATION TO YORK COUNTY.

OVER THE PAST NINE YEARS, UH, DURING HIS TENURE WITH THE BOARD SUPPORT, HE IMPLEMENTED A STRONG AND SUSTAINABLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM.

AND I, I JUST GOTTA MAKE A COMMENT HERE.

WE WERE HAVE, WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH THAT PROGRAM, AND IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL THE CITIZENS FOR BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION, AND DEVELOPED AND PRIORITIZED COMMUNITY SUPPORT INITIATIVES FOR SIGNIFICANT FACILITY INVESTMENT TO INCLUDE TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS, A LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, AND A LIBRARY.

BASED UPON THE BOARD'S FORMAL, FORMALLY ADOPTED STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, MR. MORGAN WAS ABLE TO IMPLEMENT AND INCREASE IN THE LAW, ENFOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY STAFFING, THEREBY ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF SERVICE IN BOTH OF THESE AREAS AND PREPARATION OF THE RAPIDLY CHANGING FUTURE OF THE YORK COUNTY ORGANIZATION, HE CREATED AN EXTENDED LEADERSHIP, UH, LEADERSHIP TEAM.

AND WITH DEPARTMENT, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTORS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE INEVITABLE STAFF CHANGES ALREADY UNDERWAY.

HE HELPED TO CREATE A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY BY INVESTING IN EMERGENCY GENERATORS AT PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND COMMUNITY SHELTERS, AS WELL AS GROWING THE PUBLIC WORKS GROUND MAINTENANCE AND STORM WATER RESPONSE, UH, CAPACITY WITH THE BOARD'S SUPPORT, MR. MORGAN LED THE LONG-TERM WORK NEEDED TO ENHANCE THE COUNTY'S QUALITY OF LIFE BY WORKING TO BUILD A SYSTEM OF SIDEWALKS, BIKE TRAILS, AND UPGRADING THE QUALITY OF OUR PARKS AND LIBRARIES.

HE FOSTERED GREATER COLLABORATION AND TRUST WITH THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION, THEREBY STRENGTHENING THE CRITICAL RELATIONSHIP.

AND I JUST WANNA COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE BEFORE THAT, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS ALMOST A KNIFE FIGHT.

AND THEN OVER THE YEARS WORKING WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, UH, WE'VE BEEN HAD, WE'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, EDUCATIONAL DEPARTMENT AND RELATIONSHIP.

HE ADMINISTERED THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY'S EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.

REMEMBER THAT, UH, TO SUSTAIN MAXIMUM COUNTY OPERATIONS AND MINIMIZE FINANCIAL HEALTH, SAFETY, AND PROGRAMMATIC IMPACTS, AND ALSO LED THE COUNTY IN SUPPORTING REGIONAL STRATEGIES IN ROLLING OUT THE VACCINE, UH, MR. MORGAN HAS FAITHFUL, FAITHFULLY CONTINUED, UH, THE COUNTY'S LEGACY OF ENSURING WE ARE A RELIABLE REGIONAL PARTNER IN THE MANY HAMPTON ROADS AND PENINSULA INSTITUTIONS, OF WHICH WE ARE A PART.

IN ADDITION TO HIS DEMAND DEMANDING SCHEDULE, HE FOUND TIME TO REGULARLY MENTOR AND SHARE HIS WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE AS A LEADER WITH THE SENIOR STAFF AND NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS YOUTH.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE YORK COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS THIS THIRD DAY OF OCTOBER, 2023, THAT THE BOARD TAKES GREAT PLEASURE IN RECOGNIZING THE SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENTS OF MR. NEIL A MORGAN, AND HEREBY

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EXPRESS HIS SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR HIS INVALUABLE PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROUGHOUT THE PAST NINE YEARS.

NEIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR SERVING THE CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY AND BOARD SUPERVISOR.

THANK I CALL ON,

[3* Presentation from the Board of Equalization. Receive presentation from Maria Kattman, County Assessor, and Thomas Chamberlain, Chairman, Board of Equalization.]

UM, MARIA CATMAN COUNTY ASSESSOR.

THIS IS THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATIONS.

GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD, VICE CHAIRMAN, MR. ROHN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MICROPHONE, SPEAKING OF THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

MY NAME'S MARIA COTTMAN AND WITH MR. CHAMBERLAIN, OUR BOARD OF EQUALIZATION MEMBER, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU THE 24 REASSESSMENT RESULTS AND HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS LAST YEAR'S REASSESSMENT.

YORK COUNTY PERFORMS A BIENNIAL REASSESSMENT.

ALL LOCALITIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ARE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT A REASSESSMENT ON A PERIODIC BASIS.

ANNUAL BIENNIAL AND OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE ADOPTED YEARS OF 3, 4, 6 YEARS.

EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR? NO, I CAN'T EITHER.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

I'M SORRY.

WE'RE HAVING THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE.

UM, UH, CHAD, CAN YOU CHECK IN THE BACK CLERK, PLEASE? IS THAT BETTER? WE WANT TO HEAR EVERYTHING, SO HANG ON.

WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE MIC MICROPHONES TONIGHT.

HEAR IT OUT IN THE HALLWAY.

YOU CAN'T HEAR IT IN HERE.

INTERESTING.

IT'S HAUNTED.

UH, GO AHEAD AND TRY.

START NOW.

SO ALL LOCALITIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ARE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT A PERIODIC REASSESSMENT.

DO OKAY, I'M GONNA RECESS THE MEETING.

WE'RE IN RECESS.

I HAVE HOW MANY YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THE BOARD.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER MET THIS.

I DON'T KNOW.

LET'S HEAR IT.

, TALK LOUD INTO THE MIC.

TESTING, TESTING.

ANYBODY HEAR ME, JERRY? IT'S GOOD IDEA.

GO AHEAD AND TALK INTO YOUR MIC.

TALK INTO THE MIC.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN.

IF EVERYBODY CAN PLEASE HAVE A SEAT.

WE'RE GONNA GET THIS MIC FIXED HERE.

I NEED EVERYBODY TO BE KIND OF, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

OKAY, LET'S GET, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S GET EVERYBODY BACK IN.

GO AHEAD AND TURN THE CAMERAS BACK ON.

TERRY, TURN THE CAMERAS BACK ON.

DID YOU SEE THAT GOING? ? OH, OKAY.

DID YOU SEE? UM, YEAH, I DID.

SO WE'RE BACK ON YOUR SLIDE.

UH, OKAY, MS.

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KAMAN, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO, IN 1984, UH, YORK COUNTY ESTABLISHED A REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT DIVISION AND A BIANNUAL REASSESSMENT CYCLE.

ALL LOCALITIES IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ARE REQUIRED TO CONDUCT A PERIODIC REASSESSMENT AND ARE CHARGED WITH ASSESSING REAL ESTATE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT FAIR MARKET VALUE.

FAIR MARKET VALUE IS DETERMINED BY WILLING BUYERS AND WILLING SELLERS.

UH, BEFORE YOU USE JUST A SIMPLE CHART SHOWING THE PRIOR ASSESSED FAIR MARKET VALUE OF ALL TAXABLE PROPERTY IN YORK COUNTY AT 10.5, WE MOVED FROM 10.5 BILLION TO 12.8 BILLION OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

THAT TOTAL INCREASE WAS 22 POINT 11%, BUT OF THAT 22%, 2.36 IS GROWTH.

AND 19.75 IS DUE TO THE REASSESSMENT REASSESSMENT VALUES FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD CHANGE TO 2.3 BILLION.

THOSE TWO COMPONENTS ARE GROWTH IN YOUR REASSESSED VALUE AT OVER 19% AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 2.3%.

THOSE TWO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO VALUES WHEN YOU, UM, ADVERTISE FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH WAS REASSESSMENT AND HOW MUCH WAS ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND GROWTH.

THE PIE CHART IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REPRESENTATION OF THESE, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, SECTORS IN THE COUNTY RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, UH, WE HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND THE TINY BIT OF AGRICULTURAL THAT REMAINS IN THE COUNTY.

AND BEFORE YOU NOW IS JUST A BRIEF HISTORY FROM 2018 TO 2024 SHOWING YOU THE INCREASE IN VALUE ODD YEARS.

THE REASON THOSE VALUES ACTUALLY INCREASED, IT WAS DUE TO BUILDING PERMITS AND NEWLY PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS.

YOUR EVEN YEARS ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE FINAL VALUE OF A REASSESSMENT EFFORT.

I NEED THE PUBLICATION AGAIN.

RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, REPRESENT AN INCREASE OF 1.7 BILLION OR 21% OF THE, UH, REASSESSMENT AND ALSO REPRESENT NEARLY 75% OF THE COUNTY'S TAXABLE VALUE.

UH, ASSESSMENT RESULTS.

WE DID A, UH, JUST A SHORT LIST OF SUBDIVISIONS WHERE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

YOU CAN SEE THE 22 MEDIAN HOME VALUE COMPARED TO THE FINAL 24.

WE ALSO HAVE A MEDIAN SALES PRICE.

MOST OF OUR, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CHART, THE MEDIAN HOME VALUES STILL LAGS SLIGHTLY BEHIND THE MEDIAN SALES PRICE.

AND THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN IS JUST AN OVERALL CHANGE IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRIBUTION OF HOME VALUES.

UM, HOME VALUE.

SO OUR MEDIAN HOME PRICE IS RUNNING ABOUT $393,000.

AND WHAT'S INTERESTING, YOU CAN SEE THAT ALMOST 50% OF THE HOME VALUES FALL BETWEEN 300 AND $700,000.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE PROPERTIES BELOW 200,000 AND BELOW, AND THOSE THAT ARE OVER, THERE'S AN EQUAL AMOUNT BELOW 200,000 AND AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF OVER 700,000.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF YOUR HOMES IN YORK COUNTY RANGE BETWEEN 300 AND $700,000 NUMBER OF SALES.

SO WHILE THE APPRECIATION WAS REMARKABLE, WE DEFINITELY HAD A STANDOUT YEAR IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY INCREASES.

WE DIDN'T QUITE HAVE THE VOLUME OF SALES.

THE VOLUME OF SALES WAS AROUND 990 QUALIFIED SALES.

A QUALIFIED SALE IS AN ARMS LENGTH TRANSACTION MADE BETWEEN TWO UNRELATED PARTIES WITH NO DURESS.

SO I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE HAD FEWER SALES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, FROM 2020 WE HAD NEARLY 1500 SALES, AND IN 23 WE HAD 990 QUALIFIED SALES.

SO THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE UNITS FOR SALE.

AND I THINK THE MONETARY POLICY FROM THE FED ALSO PREVENTED, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS FEWER SALES DUE TO RISING INTEREST RATES.

NON-RESIDENTIAL VALUES MAKE UP OVER 600 OR INCREASE MADE UP OF $600 MILLION OR 22.5%.

WE HAD, UH, GROWTH IN APARTMENTS AND TIMESHARES, UH, APARTMENTS THROUGHOUT HAMPTON ROADS, UH, SOUTH SIDE AND PENINSULA.

WE SAW QUITE A FEW NEW COMPLEXES, AND THAT WAS LARGELY DUE TO THE SHORTAGE OF ACTUAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HARPER STATION COME ONLINE, WHICH IS 157 UNIT INDEPENDENT ASSISTED LIVING COMPLEX.

MM-HMM, .

AND WE HAVE TWO NEW HOTELS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA, UM, INTRODUCE MR. CHAMBERLAIN, WHO IS THE BOARD OF, UH, OUR EQUALIZATION, AND HE'S GONNA SHARE A FEW THOUGHTS WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

APPRECIATE THE TIME TO TALK TO YOU THIS EVENING.

THANK, THANK YOU.

UM, MY NAME IS TOM CHAMBERLAIN.

I'M CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.

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UM, JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT THAT'S COMING IN THE MAIL, UM, AT THE END OF THIS MONTH OR THE FIRST OF OF NEXT MONTH? UM, SO YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL RIGHTS THAT YOU CAN DO.

SO FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THE RECORDS.

IF YOU CALL THE THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS, WE WORK VERY WELL WITH THEM.

UM, YOU CAN GET A, AN INSPECTION OF YOUR PROPERTY, THEY CAN REMEASURE IT.

THERE MAY BE SOMETHING WRONG.

THEY MAY HAVE THE BUILDING SIZE INCORRECT.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN DISPUTE ERRORS IN, IN LAND AREAS AS WELL, SO THAT THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME, SOME INCORRECT INFORMATION.

YOU CAN ALSO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.

SO WE'RE FIVE-YEAR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

WE'RE INDEPENDENT OF THE COUNTY.

WE'RE APPOINTED BY THE CIRCUIT COURT.

UM, AND WE HEAR CASES OF INEQUITY, LACK OF UNIFORMITY, AND YOU HAVE UNTIL FEBRUARY 28TH TO APPLY MM-HMM, , UM, TO COME AND COME BEFORE US.

AND TYPICALLY OUR MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED IN, IN APRIL.

AND THAT JUST DEPENDS ON THE VOLUME OF FOLKS THAT, THAT WE GET.

UM, IF TO CONDUCT A SUCCESSFUL APPEAL, AGAIN, GO TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE FIRST.

TALK ABOUT THOSE ERRORS.

DATA IS IMPORTANT.

IF YOU COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND IT'S ALL EMOTIONAL, YOU DON'T LIKE THE NUMBER, YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD NUMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS TO SUPPORT, UM, YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE, UH, A, A SUCCESSFUL APPEAL.

SO HAVE A SEPARATE APPRAISER, UM, COMPARE SQUARE FOOTAGE COSTS, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU CAN USE TO ESTABLISH SOME DATA THAT SAYS THAT YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS WAS INCORRECTLY ASSESSED.

AND WITH THAT, EITHER OF US WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS.

ANY QUESTIONS, WALT? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS REAL QUICK? THE 900, UM, ARM, ARM LENGTH SALES WAS, IS THAT JUST BETWEEN TWO HOMEOWNERS OR DOES ALSO INCLUDE A NEW HOME BEING BUILT BY A DEVELOPER AND, AND SOLD TO A NEW HOMEOWNER? IS IT, SO THE SALES THAT WE RECEIVE, WE ACTUALLY GET THE, UH, RECORDED INFORMATION FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WE GET A, WE HAVE FORECLOSURES, WE HAVE DEEDS OF TRUST, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO THE APPRAISERS WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS AN ACTUAL ALARM'S LENGTH QUALIFIED SALE.

THE, SO THAT 990 ARE ARMS LENGTH TRANSFERS BETWEEN A BUYER AND A SELLER, UH, WITH THE, UH, BUILDERS, WE WATCH THOSE CAREFULLY AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE REFLECTING THE MARKET.

AND YES, A NUMBER OF THOSE ARE FROM THE DEVELOPER, FROM THE BUILDER TO THE NEW OWNER THAT'S INCLUDING THAT 900? YES.

THANK YOU MS. NOLL.

NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

MS. GREEN, MS. CAPTAIN, REAL QUICK.

YOU HAD MENTIONED APARTMENTS BEING, UH, APPRAISED AND HOW THEY'D GONE UP IN VALUE.

, UH, APARTMENT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.

HOW DO YOU VALUE, UH, APARTMENTS AND APARTMENTS FREQUENTLY HAVE A YOUNGER POPULATION IN THEM WITH, UH, KIDS WHO USE THEIR SCHOOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, IS THAT FACTORED INTO, I GUESS, THE OVERALL VALUE OR THE DESIRABILITY OF THEM? OR DO YOU DO IT PER UNIT PER SQUARE FOOT? HOW ARE APARTMENTS VALUED? SO APPRAISERS HAVE THREE APPROACHES TO VALUE, COST, INCOME, AND MARKET.

, MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE DONE ON A SALES COMPARISON.

, WE, UH, REACH OUT TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE RENT ROLLS AND AN INCOME AND EXPENSE STATEMENT.

SO WE REQUEST THOSE AND WE ENCOURAGE, UH, COMMERCIAL ENTITIES WITH THEIR FINANCIALS TO WORK WITH US TO, IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THAT MARKET VALUE.

SO WE LOOK AT BASICALLY YOUR NET OPERATING INCOME, CAPITALIZE THAT INCOME, AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, THAT TURNS THAT INTO AN ACTUAL VALUE AND WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT OCCUPANCIES AND THAT HAS A BEARING ON THE VALUE AS WELL.

SO, SO WHEN WE, UH, AP APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, SAY, A TOURIST HOME OR AN AIRBNB, UH, DO YOU ALL GET A LIST OF THAT AND MAKE THAT, UH, ADJUSTMENT TO THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? SO WITH MULTIFAMILY, IT HAS TO BE GREATER THAN FOUR UNITS.

SO IF THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE SERVING AS, UM, VRBO OR B AND B, WE, WE DON'T TRACK THOSE AND THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT.

THAT'S A BUSINESS.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR TOWN HOMES OR CONDOS, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THOSE QUALIFIED ARMS LENGTH SALES.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY OF THE AIRBNBS OR THE VBO AND TAKING THEM INTO CONSIDERATION AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND INCREASING THEIR VALUE? NO, SIR.

MOVE INTO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

THAT IT, THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE, UH, THANK YOU BRIEFING.

APPRECIATE IT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

NOW, I BRIEFED BEFORE THE, UH, BEING STARTED THAT I WAS GONNA TERMINATE THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD FOR THIS PORTION AT FIVE MINUTES TILL BECAUSE OF THE TECHNICALITIES THAT WE'VE HAD.

I'M GONNA

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EXTEND THAT TILL SEVEN, UH, SEVEN 10 AT THAT POINT.

THEN I WILL, UH, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL STOP AT THAT POINT AND THEN I'M GONNA GO INTO THE, UH, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NOW, I WILL ADVISE YOU THIS.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP YOUR FRIENDS OUT AND GIVE 'EM A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING, IF MANY OF YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR.

JUST YOU CAN SAY, I AGREE WITH WHATEVER.

DON'T JUST SAY HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, BUT TRY TO TRUNCATE YOUR COMMENTS.

YOU DON'T NEED THREE MINUTES TO SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.

SO YOU COME FORWARD, NAME AND ADDRESS.

FIRST ONE WE'LL, UH, START WILL BE CHARLENE BOWMAN.

SHE KNEW SHE WAS FIRST.

MY NAME IS CHARLENE BOWMAN.

I LIVE AT ONE 12 YORK POINT DRIVE, SEAFORD, VIRGINIA AND YORK COUNTY.

I'M A 67-YEAR-OLD COMPUTER ENGINEER, BORN AND RAISED IN YORK COUNTY.

I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS COME AND GO THROUGH THOSE 67 YEARS.

I WENT TO YORKTOWN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND I STUDIED AMERICAN HISTORY AND THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, WHICH I FEEL I'M SO BLESSED TO LIVE IN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA AND BE SURROUNDED BY, UH, A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT.

SAFETY, UH, IS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES ANYWAY.

I LOVE YORKTOWN.

I LAY AWAKE SOMETIMES AND WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO IT BECAUSE AS THE, UM, THE PEOPLE GAVE MR. ZAREMBA HIS, UH, QUILT OF, OF HONOR, THERE WERE A LOT OF LIVES LOST IN THE VIETNAM WAR.

THERE WERE A LOT OF LOST LIVES, LOST IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR TO WIN OUR FREEDOM HERE IN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

IT'S A LOVELY QUAINT TOWN.

I HATE TO SEE IT, UH, CHANGE ANYMORE.

I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPEN AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF NOT SO GOOD THINGS HAPPEN IN THE 67 YEARS.

ONE NOT SO GOOD THING HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION RECENTLY.

AND THAT'S THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE.

UM, IT'S BEYOND THE PALE.

WHAT'S BEING, I THINK, SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS.

UH, IT SHOULD BE, IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE A REFERENDUM AND PUT ON THE LAST VOTE FOR EVERY CITIZEN IN YORK COUNTY TO VOTE ON IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.

WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES AND EMOTIONAL, MOSTLY THIS IS YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

YOU KNOW, CORNWALL IS SURRENDERED TO WASHINGTON HERE AND GAVE US THIS WONDERFUL NATION THAT WE'RE BLESSED TO LIVE IN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA COME TO YORK COUNTY TO LIVE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE RETIRE.

MR. ZUBER WAS SPEAKING ABOUT FROM THE MILITARY BECAUSE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

WHY I THINK DESECRATE IT WITH A CRUISE LINE, WITH THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE.

THEY'RE GONNA COME IN NEW YORK RIVER AND THE BIG SHIPS AND THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A DOCK OUT THERE IN THE RIVER TO BRING PEOPLE IN, PUT 'EM ON BUSES AND TAKE 'EM UP TO WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMESTOWN, WHERE THEY SPEND THEIR TOURIST DOLLARS.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING A THOROUGHFARE.

WHY ARE WE INVESTING OUR HARD-EARNED COUNTY RESIDENT MONEY AND HELPING OUT COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG WITH THEIR PROBLEM WITH THEIR TOURISM? AND WE'RE A LITTLE TOWN.

I LIKE THE WAY WE ARE NOW.

WE HAVE NO MORE ROOM FOR PARKING.

WE HAVE NO MORE ROOM FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE.

SO I ASK YOU, PLEASE VOTE NO.

WE'RE GONNA BE WATCHING, WE'RE GONNA SEE WHO'S GONNA VOTE YES FOR THIS.

AND I'VE HEARD IT'S A DONE DEAL.

IT BETTER NOT BE A DONE DEAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE VOTED YOU IN FOR.

WE VOTED YOU IN TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY AND WE DEPEND ON YOU TO KEEP OUR TOWN THE WAY IT IS.

WE LOVE IT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT IS STEVE FISHER.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, BEING ON THE BOARD.

HEY, THANK YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS C FISHER 1 0 8 OLD DOMINION ROAD, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

AND I THINK SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNEW MY DAD, WHO WAS DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND MY BROTHER WHO WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO MY FAMILY GOES WAY BACK.

UH, MY DAD WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RIGHT UP HERE ON THE, IN THE TOWN.

AND, UM, SO, BUT I'M JUST HERE SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, YORKTOWN USED TO HAVE A, A MIKE'S HARDWARE STORE RIGHT DOWN THERE ON THE WATERFRONT.

IT USED TO HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.

AND I KNOW DEAN AND I KNOW MR. TANNER FROM THE YORKTOWN PUB.

I KNOW THAT'S COMING UP.

IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GET CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SIGN UP AND TALK.

UH, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST KEEP IT REALLY SHORT.

I LIKE, UH, HOW THEY'VE HANDLED, SETTING UP WHAT THEY WANT TO DO DOWN THERE ON THE WATERFRONT.

AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE PLAN AND I'VE TALKED TO THE GUYS AND I THINK ANYTHING THAT, A SMALL BUSINESS, AND I TAUGHT MR. TANNER'S KIDS, YOU KNOW, I, I TEACH AT YORK HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE.

AND SO I TRUST THEM AND I TRUST THAT UH, YOU GUYS WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND LET THEM HANDLE THEIR BUSINESS THE WAY THEY WANT TO HANDLE IT.

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I LIVE AT TWO 19 PARKER LANE IN SEAFORD.

EACH OF YOU RAN FOR THE SEAT ON THIS BOARD AS A REPUBLICAN.

SO YOU SHOULD KNOW THE THIRD LINE OF THE VIRGINIA REPUBLICAN CREED, WHICH READS IN PART FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND BUDGETARY RESTRAINTS MUST BE EXERCISED AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.

OUTGOING ADMINISTRATOR MORGAN SAID THAT 80% OF THE COUNTY LIVES, UH, SOUTH OF YORKTOWN AND THAT SPENDING OVER 800,000 FOR THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY HAS BECOME A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW SINCE 1993.

WE'VE GONE FROM PAYING $76,000 A YEAR TO NEARLY 808,000 FOR THE USE OF WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY.

WHY DO WE DO THIS WHEN THERE'S ONLY A POSSIBILITY OF 20% OF YORK COUNTY'S POPULATION THAT MAY EVEN USE THAT LIBRARY? ONLY 12.7% OF WILLIAMSBURG'S POPULATION USES THE LIBRARY AND NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD A NEW $55 MILLION LIBRARY.

AND OF COURSE THEY WANT US TO CONTINUE TO FUND IT.

WHAT KIND OF FACILITY COULD WE HAVE BUILT FOR THAT KIND OF RENT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS? WHO IS EVALUATING THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU ULTIMATELY OBLIGATE US FOR? WILLIAMSBURG HAS DECIDED THEY WANT TO BUILD A NEW INDOOR SPORTS FACILITY AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT YORK COUNTY CITIZENS SHOULD FOOT 300 TO 800,000 OF THE EIGHT OF THE ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES FOR A 30 YEAR PERIOD.

BY THE WAY, 80% OF YORK COUNTY STILL LIVES SOUTH OF YORKTOWN.

THE PLAN IS TO ENTICE YOU TO THINK THE REVENUE WILL OFFSET YORK COUNTY'S EXPENDITURE.

CAN ANY OF YOU SHOW THE MATH ON THIS SUPPOSED RETURN ON INVESTMENT? HAVE YOU ACTUALLY DONE THE MATH? SO MANY CITIZENS ARE AGAINST THE WATERFRONT BEING CONVERTED INTO A CRUISE SHIP PORT OF CALL.

YOU'RE CREATING A VIRTUAL WELCOME MAT FROM YORKTOWN TO WILLIAMSBURG WITH WILLIAMSBURG REAPING FAR GREATER BENEFITS THAN YORKTOWN.

IT'S ALL ABOUT WILLIAMSBURG.

IT SEEMS THE OPINION OF THE AVERAGE YORK COUNTY CITIZEN HOLDS VERY LITTLE WEIGHT WITH YOU.

YOUR COLLECTIVE DECISIONS APPEAR TO BE INFLUENCED BY FACTORS OTHER THAN THE CITIZENS YOU ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT.

AND HERE WE ARE IN THE VERY LOCATION WHERE OUR COUNTRY FOUGHT TO LIBERATE ITSELF FROM TYRANNICAL RULE.

THANK YOU STEVE KENNEDY.

PARDON ME.

WHAT IS HE DOING? DIDN'T KNOW PART OF THE CAST OF CHARACTERS, BUT IT WILL BE A BADGE OF HONOR.

MR. GREEN, STEPHEN F. KENNEDY 1 0 4 PENN DRIVE SPEAKING TONIGHT AS A CITIZEN, NOT AS A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY FOUNDATION DURING THIS FEST OF JOYOUS TIME OF THE YEAR, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO REFLECT ON OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND VICTORIES, BUT LET'S BE SURE WE REGULARLY TAKE STOCK OF OUR DECISIONS THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR CITIZENS AND VOTERS.

OR AS PAUL HARVEY WOULD SAY, THE REST OF THE STORY.

SO WHERE DO WE GO WRONG? SADLY, THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY EXAMPLES.

PLEASE DON'T FORGET THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENCE OF SPRINGFIELD ROAD OR THE DISASTER YOU'RE ABOUT TO PUT ON THE RESIDENCE NEAR THE POTTERY.

REALLY? TWO TO 3 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE SPACE BY GOVERNMENT.

FIAT OR HOW ABOUT THIS, UH, THING CALLED SPORTS FACILITY.

VOTE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

CAN'T, CAN'T WAIT TILL THE REVENUE BONDS ARE FLOATED.

I'LL STAND IN LINE TO SHORT THEM.

WILL THEY BE RATED AT TRIPLE B MINUS OR JUNK? WOULD YOU PUT IT IN YOUR MOTHER'S OR YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S OR YOUR GREAT AUNT'S ACCOUNT? I'M GONNA SAY NO.

'CAUSE IF IT TAKES THREE MUNICIPALITIES TO MAKE A LOSING DEAL, WORK AGAIN, BAD POLICY.

SEE, WAIT A MINUTE.

DO WE HAVE EXAMPLES? HOW ABOUT RICHMOND? ANYBODY BEEN TO RICHMOND LATELY? I WAS THERE SUNDAY.

ANYBODY GO TO ANY EVENTS AT THE RICHMOND COLISEUM RECENTLY? IT'S NOW FENCED AND BOARDED UP BIGGER THAN 71,000 RESIDENTS.

IS IT NOT? HOW ABOUT THE VIRGINIA BEACH CONVENTION CENTER? DAILY PRESS WRITES RECENTLY, QUOTE AUDIT REVEALS THAT LESS THAN 20% OF EVENTS HELD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS GENERATED HOTEL STAYS REALLY LESS THAN 20%.

I THOUGHT IT WAS BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.

ALL THE HOTELIERS WILL BE RICH.

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HOW ABOUT, UH, TOBY KEITH'S GRILL? I WALK THROUGH CITY CENTER AT OYSTER POINT MANY TIMES A WEEK WITNESSING MR. MORGAN'S ADVERSE POLICIES BEFORE HE CAME TO YORK COUNTY.

YOU SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT FAIR.

THAT'S NEWPORT NEWS, BUT WE'RE CROSS POLLINATING WITH WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY TONIGHT ON YOUR VOTE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE THIRD OR FOURTH BANKRUPTCY OF TOBY KEITH'S GRILL? ANYBODY GO TO THE, TO THE, THE MIDGET WRESTLING MATCH? I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP.

SPARE ME YOUR GLIB AND YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS EMAILS.

MIDGET WRESTLING TWICE SOLD OUT.

I WAS THERE.

I HAD CLIENTS.

I HAVE A VERY ECLECTIC CLIENT MIX.

LOVES WORLD WRESTLING TWICE SOLD OUT.

GUESS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER TOBY KEITH MIDGET WRESTLING CLOSED? YOU HAVE TO ASK AND ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE WRONG? BECAUSE IF I'M WRONG, I'LL BUY EVERYBODY IN HERE A BEER AT BEALE BREW PUB TONIGHT.

THROUGH CHRISTMAS OPEN TAP.

YOU SUCK AT ECONOMICS.

LADY AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE STOP SPENDING OUR MONEY BEFORE WE GO.

FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY CONGRATULATIONS PERSONALLY TO MR. ZAREMBA ON HIS ILLUSTRIOUS SERVICE, HELPING TO GIVE A VOICE TO THE UNDERREPRESENTED CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY.

THIS IS ONE OF HIS MANY FIRESIDE CHATS AT THE PARTY BARN FIRESIDE CHATS WITH WALT.

WELL DONE.

GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FROM THE CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY FOUNDATION.

OKAY, NEXT MARY, MARY J. O'BRIEN.

MY NAME IS MARY J. O'BRIEN.

I'VE LIVED AT AUGUST ONE 20 AUGUST DRIVE IN SEAFORD.

FOR NINE YEARS, OUR COUNTY'S TOURISM OFFICE HAS TOLD US THAT THEY HAVE WORKED VERY HARD NOT TO DISRUPT YORKTOWN DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND HAVE DEVELOPED A METICULOUSLY PLANNED ARRIVAL SCHEDULE FOR THE MEGA CRUISE INDUSTRY.

WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE, UNLESS WE ARE DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT THAT DAY, WE WON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY WERE THERE.

I WANT TO WARN YOU IN OUR CITIZENS THAT YOU HAVE LITTLE TO NO CONTROL OF MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO IN YORKTOWN.

IF YOU LET THESE CRUISE SHIPS COME IN, THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH RISK.

THERE ARE THREE FOREIGN FLAG COMPANIES LISTED IN SELLING CRUISES WITH YORKTOWN AS A PORT OF CALL IN 2024 AND 2025.

THEY'RE PRINCESS WITH 10 HOLLAND AMERICA WITH THREE AND AMERICAN QUEEN WITH TWO.

ALL THESE COMPANIES, AS I SAID, ARE FOREIGN FLAGGED.

THESE COMPANIES ARE SENDING THEIR OLDEST SHIPS RANGING IN AGE FROM 20 TO 26 YEARS OLD.

OLD SHIPS COMES, COMES WITH LOTS OF PROBLEMS. AND WHEN EVERY INDUSTRY IS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PARTS COMPETING FOR TIME IN DRY DOCK, QUALIFIED PERSONNEL TO MAKE REPAIRS, STAFF SURGES, POORLY TRAINED OVER WORK CREW, THESE SHIPS ARE OFTEN AND RUNNING WITH KNOWN PROBLEMS AND RISKS.

WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THEIR HORRIBLE RECORD WITH POLLUTION, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE OTHER CONCERNS.

THE THREE THAT CAUSED THE MOST CONCERN TO ME WERE ENGINE FIRES, PIER, BRIDGE, COLLUSIONS, AND PROPULSION POWER LOSS.

IN SOME OF THESE THESE CASES, THE SHIP DRIFTED FOR A FEW HOURS BEFORE POWER CAME BACK ON.

IN OTHER CASES, THE FIRE CAUSE HAD TO BE INVESTIGATED BY THE UNITED STATES COAST GUARD AND IT DELAYED THE SHIP'S DEPARTURE BY HOURS UP TO WEEKS.

AN OCEAN NAVIGATOR'S CASE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO PORT HERE ON 29 OCTOBER OF 2024.

AN ENGINE ROOM FIRE ON OCTOBER 10TH OF THIS YEAR CAUSED A DIESEL GENERATOR FIRE AND EXTENSIVE INJURIES TO A CREW MEMBER.

THANKFULLY, THE PASSENGERS HAD DISEMBARKED FOR THEIR TOURS.

THE COAST GUARD DEEMED THE SHIP UNSEE WORTHY AND IT STAYED AT THE PORT FOR THREE WEEKS BEFORE IT COULD BE MOVED.

PASSENGERS HAD A DISEMBARK STAY IN A HOTEL AND FLY HOME.

IF THAT HAPPENED HERE, IT COULD EASILY AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO USE OUR PIER.

OTHER MECHANICAL ISSUES CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME THAT CAUSES THE SHIP TO NEED IMMEDIATE REPAIR SERVICE DURING ITS SCHEDULED CRUISE.

ANY OF THESE UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENTS OR MECHANICAL FAILURES COULD ALSO CAUSE A RELEASE OF TOXIC POLLUTION IN OUR ALREADY DERATED, YORK RIVER AND MAKE OUR BEACH UNUSABLE.

THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT ARE BAD VIRUSES, OUTBREAKS ON BOARD DEATHS, CRIMES, SUICIDES, MULTIPLE MEDEVACS.

IT'S GONNA TAX OUR, OUR LOCAL RESPONDERS AND, UM, OUR COAST GUARD AND OUR HOSPITALS POTENTIALLY.

THIS SUMS UP A LOT OF RISK.

HEY, THANK YOU MA'AM.

CHIP WILL COME EARLY.

THEY'LL LI LEAVE LATE MA'AM, YOUR TIME'S UP.

THOMAS CHIP, GIVE US THE CHRISTMAS PRESENT WE WANT AND DON'T LET THESE SHIPS COME HERE.

MS. DELORES, AM

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I PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH.

HI, HOW'S IT GOING? MY NAME'S TOM DELORE.

I LIVE AT 1 0 7 COVE DRIVE HERE IN SEAFORD.

UM, I LOVE YORKTOWN EVENTS ON THE YORK RIVER FOR YEARS OUT HERE, GUYS.

UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY DISPLEASURE ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ALLOWING THESE MEGA SHIPS INTO OUR HISTORIC, UH, LITTLE SMALL HISTORIC TOWN.

UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR YEARS HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH MEGA SHIP STAKEHOLDERS, UH, VIRGINIA REPRESENTATIVES AND PRIVATE NONPROFIT MUSEUMS. BUT HAVE YOU HAD COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR YORK COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES HERE? THE CONSTITUENTS YOU'RE KIND OF, UH, WAS SWORN TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, SWORN TO REPRESENT? UM, EXCUSE ME.

THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, UH, THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE WITH LITTLE ANSWERS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SO FAR.

WHAT ARE THE PROS OF ALLOWING THESE MEGA SHIPS TO COME INTO OUR LOVING TOWN? I BELIEVE THE, UH, MEGA SHIP INDUSTRY IS GONNA BRING SOME TAX DOLLARS RIGHT HERE, SOME REVENUE, BUT HOW MUCH, UH, THE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.

TAKE A LOOK AT MANY OF THE OTHER PORTS AROUND THE WORLD BANNING MEGA SHIPS, TRYING TO RELOCATE THEM, TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VISITS BECAUSE OF THE HAVOC THAT IT'S BRINGING.

SO APPARENTLY THE REVENUE IS NOT ENOUGH.

SO WHAT OTHER CONS ARE THERE? AMSTERDAM MENTIONS, ASIDE FROM THE MOORING FEES AND THE TOURIST TAXES, THE CITY DERIVES LITTLE BENEFIT FROM THESE FLASH VISITS.

AGAIN, I ASK YOU WHAT OTHER PROS ARE THERE.

THE CONS ARE FAR TOO MANY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

HOWEVER, POLLUTION, OVERCROWDING, BOAT, TENDER, BUS FOOT TRAFFIC, OR JUST TO NAME A FEW, DON'T FORGET THE COORDINATION HAVOC AND THE PROBLEMS IT WILL BRING NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

UH, YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO FORECAST THOSE PROBLEMS AGAIN.

LOOK AT WHAT CITY OFFICIALS ARE SAYING AROUND THE WORLD ABOUT THESE MEGA SHIPS COMING INTO THEIR COUNTIES.

THE CRUISE SHIPS ARE GONNA BE WAITING RIGHT OUT HERE IN THE BAY, BUT THEIR ENGINES ARE RUNNING.

THERE'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF POLLUTION BY RELEASING THE DEADLY EMISSIONS OF NITROGEN OXIDE, SULFUR OXIDE, AND OTHER PARTICULATE MATTERS IN THE AIR AND WATERS THAT WE AND OUR KIDS REALLY ENJOY.

IN ADDITION, WHEN THEY DO SCRUB IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTAMINATION AND FOREIGN BACTERIA TO DEAL WITH.

THIS WILL AFFECT OUR ALREADY DECLINING SHELLFISH AND OSPREY POPULATION.

TALK TO THE ANGLERS AND THE MACHO MASTER NATURALIST OUT THERE.

AND OF COURSE, THIS IS SURELY GONNA HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON ROB WHITMAN'S INITIATIVE TO IMPROVE OUR CRITICAL CONSERVATION EFFORTS RIGHT HERE, INCLUDING OYSTER RESTORATION AND WATER QUALITY.

SO I ASKED WHAT ARE THE MEGA SHIPS OFFERING TO COMBAT THE ADDITIONAL POLLUTION THEY WILL BRING IN THE WATERWAYS? WILL THEY DELIBERATELY POLLUTE OUR WATERWAYS AGAIN AS THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST? THE $40 MILLION NOT GONNA COVER UP ANY OF THAT DAMAGE, UM, THAT THEY DO IT IN OUR WATERWAYS.

SO I ASK THAT YOU RETURN OUR TAX DOLLARS TO THE STATE AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ANY MEGA SHIP CRUISE LINES THAT WE, UH, LET 'EM KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT BE PROVIDING THEM WITH THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY THEY NEED TO TENDER THEIR PASSENGERS.

UH, FOR A PORT OF CALL THAT DOES NOTHING BUT PUT UNNECESSARY B BURDEN ON YORK COUNTY AND SPECIFICALLY YORKTOWN RESIDENCE.

JUST FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF YORKTOWN AND JAMESTOWN.

HEY, UM, IF I PRONOUNCE THIS CORRECTLY, SARAH, I THINK IT'S ROBESON.

ROBINSON.

OKAY, GREAT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS SARAH ROBINSON AND I LIVE AT 1 2 3 WILL SCARLET IN QUEENS LAKE.

I'M THE COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIRECTOR FOR THE QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND I'M ALSO A LAKEFRONT HOMEOWNER.

MOVING HERE FROM ARIZONA.

I CAN'T HELP BUT BE IN AWE OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF QUEENS LAKE.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, IT'S HOME TO AN ABUNDANCE OF AMAZING WILDLIFE.

JUST YESTERDAY I WATCHED TWO BALD EAGLES FISH TOGETHER THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

THE MAJORITY VOTE OF THE ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THIS COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY TO PRESERVE THIS ECOSYSTEM AND ALLOW QUEENS LAKE TO PROSPER FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THE WILDLIFE THAT CALL IT HOME.

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR VOTE TONIGHT AND HOPE TO FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND WE HOPE TO FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WILL KEEP QUEENS LAKE BEAUTIFUL FOR OUR GENERATIONS TO COME.

WOULD LIKE TO ASK, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN WRONG? WHAT IF PRINCESS AND OTHERS LIKE HOLLANDS AMERICA EXPAND LIKE THEY HAVE IN OTHER PORT CITIES, TAXING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE POLLUTING OUR BEACH AND WATERS AND HURTING THE BUSINESSES THAT DEPEND ON THEM.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

BOB HOBSON HODSON, WELCOME.

HELLO, BOB HODSON, 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.

HODSON.

I'M A MEMBER OF PRESERVE YORKTOWN, WHICH REPRESENTS NEARLY 7,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED OUR PETITION.

CITIZENS CAN GO TO PRESERVE YORKTOWN.ORG TO LEARN MORE ABOUT US.

WE ARE ABOUT RESPONSIBLE SUSTAINABLE TOURISM.

UNLIKE THE PATH WE ARE HEADED DOWN WITH PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ATTITUDE.

DO THE PILOT, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

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WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU CANNOT MANAGE THIS MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CRUISE INDUSTRY AND IT'S FOREIGN FLAGSHIPS? JUST LIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN PORT AFTER PORT, WE CAN TELL YOU IT WILL TEAR THIS COMMUNITY APART.

THERE WILL BE PROTESTS AND CITIZENS PITTED AGAINST THE COUNTY AND THE FEW BUSINESSES THAT BENEFIT.

THIS IS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION.

AGAIN, JUST LOOK AT THE OTHER PLACES THE CRUISE INDUSTRY HAS EXPLOITED.

IT HAS HAPPENED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

THE COMMUNITY HAS MADE IT CLEAR IT DOES NOT WANT THE PILOT OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THESE OCEAN CLASSS CRUISE SHIPS.

WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO ROLL THE DICE ON THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN.

PLEASE LISTEN TO US.

SO WE ASK AGAIN, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING, ANYTHING? PLEASE CONSIDER THIS SERIOUSLY BECAUSE IF YOU ARE WRONG, YOUR LEGACY WILL BE THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN FOR THE WORST AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY.

GOOD EVENING BOARD SUPERVISORS.

HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.

AND THANK YOU MR. MORGAN, MR. RUMBA, MR. CHAD AND CHAD FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, JESSICA MONTGOMERY.

MY NAME IS JESSICA MONTGOMERY AND I LIVE IN TWO 20 RAYMOND DRIVE, SEAFORD, VIRGINIA.

TODAY I AM HERE TO ADDRESS THE PRINCESS CRUISE, WHICH I STRONGLY OBJECT LIKE MY PREVIOUS CITIZENS HAVE SAID.

WITH EVERYTHING, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HARM, THE DISRESPECT THAT THE HISTORY THAT THIS LAND CARRIES.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAVE SAID.

AND YOU GUYS NOT HOLDING YOUR WORD ON HONORING THIS COUNTY IS BLATANTLY I FIND IT APPALLING AND I HOPE THAT YOU LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS TONIGHT AND TAKE THE WOODS.

THANK YOU DANNO.

UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN SAY THIS, SIR WICK CLOSE.

AFFECTED BY THIS SOFTWARE CONVERSION.

GIMME A SECOND HERE.

YEAH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, DANNO SWORN OVI, UH, ONE 11 LELAND COURT, UH, IN YORKTOWN.

UH, BACK IN JANUARY OF 22, AFTER THE BIENNIAL REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS HAD BEEN ISSUED, I REALIZED THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OF MY HOUSE HAD MYSTERIOUSLY GROWN BY A SQUARE FOOT.

AND AS YOU KNOW, THE MORE PROPERTY, UH, THE MORE FOOTAGE ON YOUR PROPERTY, THE HIGHER YOUR REAL ESTATE TAX BILL.

NOW PLEASE NOTE THIS DATA ISN'T ANYWHERE APPARENT OR AVAILABLE ON THE, THE, THE ASSESSMENT.

NOTICE THAT EVERY HOMEOWNER IS SENT, NOR WAS I NOTIFIED BY A WRITTEN LETTER, NOR DOES THE COUNTY GIS UH, MAPPING WEBSITE SHOW THE DELTA OF THIS CHANGE.

IT ONLY SHOWS THE NEW VALUE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT WHATEVER THE PREVIOUS VALUE MAY HAVE BEEN.

NOW, SINCE I HAD DATA STORED FROM A FEW PROPERTIES IN MY SUBDIVISION, I FOUND FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES WHOSE FOOTAGE HAD CHANGED BY A FEW FEET, EITHER UPWARDS OR DOWNWARDS.

NOW, HOW CAN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A PROPERTY CHANGE WITH NO FAIR NOTICE PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY? WHERE'S THE TRANSPARENCY AND HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS WERE AFFECTED? I BROUGHT THESE CONCERNS UP TO THE REAL ESTATE DIVISION IN APRIL OF 22.

THEY ADMITTED THEY, THEY HAD GOTTEN NEW SOFTWARE FOR A REAL ESTATE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT DATABASE.

AND THE GROSS LIVING AREA OF MY PROPERTY INCREASED DUE TO SOME SORT OF ROUNDING.

BUT THEY OFFERED NO RESOLUTION, NOR WOULD THEY OFFER, NOR WOULD THEY PROVIDE ANY DATA ON HOW MANY OTHER HOMEOWNERS WERE AFFECTED.

IN MAY OF 22, I CONTACTED MY DISTRICT TWO SUPERVISOR, SHEILA NOLL, AND THEN THOMAS SHEPHERD, WHO WAS ALSO ON THE BOARD.

NEITHER, NEITHER PERSON WAS ABLE TO ASSIST.

IN JANUARY OF 23, I SUBMITTED A FOIA REQUEST TO YORK COUNTY AND DEALT WITH NEIL MORGAN AND GAIL WHITAKER.

I ASKED THE SIMPLE QUESTION, PLEASE PROVIDE HOW MANY PROPERTIES WERE AFFECTED WITH A ROUNDING UPWARDS OR DOWNWARDS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HOW MANY REMAIN THE SAME.

THEY EVENTUALLY REPLIED, THERE ARE NO RECORDS THAT RESPOND TO THIS ITEM.

AND THEY FAILED TO ADEQUATELY ANSWER THE, THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.

A FRIEND CONNECTED ME TO STEVEN ROHN, WHO IS ON THE BOARD HERE, AND HE CAPABLY STEPPED TO ASSIST.

HE CONTACTED THE YORK COUNTY IT DEPARTMENT AND AFTER MONTHS OF PERSISTENCE, MR. ROH WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A LIMITED AMOUNT OF DATA TO INCLUDE THAT 14,000 PARCELS WERE

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NOW, HOW DOES SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS 14,000 HOMEOWNERS OCCUR WITH NO FAIR PUBLIC NOTICE? WITH NO TRANSPARENCY, WITH NO PUBLIC HEARING, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ORDER AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF THE COUNTY REAL ESTATE OFFICE.

IN PARTICULAR THE SOFTWARE CONVERSION, THE ODD ROUNDING, AND THE DOLLAR EFFECT OF EXTRA REVENUES THAT WERE UNJUSTLY EARNED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME SEAT.

THANK YOU SIR.

UM, I GUESS IS DANIEL HUFF APPEAR POWER.

POWER.

EVERY TIME YOU, SOMEBODY HAVE A FUNNY NAME.

, WELCOME.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS DANIEL HOFF POWER.

I LIVE AT ONE 11 WHITES ROAD.

I'M IN DISTRICT TWO WITH SHEILA.

UM, SO AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES TONIGHT, UH, PRINCESS IS NOT THE ONLY CRUISE LINE ACTIVELY TRYING TO COME TO YORKTOWN.

UH, IN FACT, IT LOOKS LIKE I COULD USE THIS COMPUTER AND IT WILL SHOW UP THERE.

SO WHILE I TALK I MIGHT JUST DO THAT.

MAYBE THERE'S A KEYBOARD THAT SURE IS.

ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA GO TO, I JUST WANNA WARN YOU, YOU'RE IN YEAR THREE MINUTES.

OH YEAH.

HEY, NO WORRIES.

SO WE ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO WARN YOU THAT THESE CARNIVAL PEOPLE ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY AND ARE ACTIVELY DISRESPECTING US.

OKAY? I KNOW SHEILA, YOU WERE SO SURE OKAY, WHEN, WHEN THEY HAD, UM, TWO LISTINGS FOR SALE, UH, WHERE THEY WERE SELLING TICKETS LAST TIME, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU SAID THEY ARE NOT COMING.

WELL THEN, THEN YOU PROCEEDED TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR BACKUP? I MEAN, WHAT'S OUR, UH, EXIT PLAN JUST IN CASE IT GOES BADLY? UM, WELL, AND THEN YOU TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY AND YOU WERE LIKE, WELL, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? SO I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, REAL CONFUSED HOW SHEILA, YOU CAN BE SO SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT COMING AS IF YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF AUTHORITY.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN ANYTHING AGAINST YOU BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE NAIVE.

THESE PEOPLE ARE PREDATORY AND WE ARE PREY.

THEY WANT TO COME HERE, MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN AT THE EXPENSE OF US.

AND IF YOU LET THEM IN WITH A PILOT, OKAY, THEY ARE NOT GONNA LEAVE.

THEY'RE GONNA FIGHT US IN COURT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE HOLD A REFERENDUM TO, TO BAN THEM AS THEY'VE DONE ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.

AND SO RIGHT BEHIND YOU HERE ARE THE CURRENT HOLLAND AMERICA LISTINGS FOR YORKTOWN.

SO AGAIN, THEY ARE ACTIVELY DISRESPECTING US.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US.

THEY JUST WANNA COME HERE AND MAKE MONEY.

SO MY PLEA TO YOU IS PLEASE HOLD SOME KIND OF PUBLIC FORUM WHERE WE CAN HAVE TWO-WAY INTERACTION INSTEAD OF JUST STICKING US WITH THREE MINUTES TO TALK ON AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

WE'RE TAKING UP ALL THIS TIME.

Y'ALL PROBABLY DON'T LIKE FEELING LIKE YOU'RE GETTING SPANKED, LIKE I THINK SHEPHERD SAID LAST TIME, UM, WE DON'T LIKE DOING IT EITHER.

, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND MEETING.

UM, SO PLEASE JUST GIVE US THE TRANSPARENCY WE, WE CRAVE.

PLEASE HELP US BE IN ON THIS DECISION THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY.

OKAY? AND THAT IS MY TIME.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE, THE TWO NEWCOMERS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

OKAY, LYNN DOUGLAS.

AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER BEFORE THE BREAK.

ECONOMICS AS CRUISE SHIPS STATED THAT ACCORDING TO ANNUAL REPORT FILINGS, THE MAJOR CRUISE LINES PAY AN AVERAGE TAX RATE OF 0.8%.

LYNN DOUGLAS, TWO 12 SMITH STREET, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

UM, MY INTENTION THIS EVENING WAS TO COME AND READ A LETTER, UH, THAT FROM THE YORK RIVER GROUP, SIERRA CLUB THAT STATES THEIR POSITION.

IT WAS WRITTEN BY TYLER MADISON.

IT, MANY OF THE POINTS OF THE SIERRA CLUB LETTER HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN TO THIS ABOUT THIS EVENING.

SO I WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH MY THREE MINUTES.

I WILL MENTION THAT, UM, TWO BULLETS.

CRUISE SHIPS WILL GENERATE CONTAMINANTS THAT WILL IMPACT WATERMEN, SPORTSMEN AND BUSINESSES WHO DEPEND ON A HEALTHY MARINE ENVIRONMENT.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA SAY IS, THIS IS ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT HAS COME OUT AGAINST PRINCESS CRUISE LINES.

YORK COUNTY CONSERVATION FOUNDATION HAS STATED AGAINST, HAS STATED THEY WERE AGAINST PRINCESS LAST MONTH AND MORE WILL BE FOLLOWING SOON.

UM, RECENTLY POSTED ON, UM, PRESERVE YORKTOWN.ORG WAS A FAQ, UM, LINK.

AND IT HAS SOME PRETTY INTERESTING THINGS.

SO I'M GONNA READ A COUPLE OF THE FAQS THAT I FOUND PRETTY INTERESTING.

UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS, UM, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A FOREIGN FLAG VERSUS A US FLAGSHIPS AND IMPLICATIONS PRINCESS CRUISE LINES AND OTHERS FLY A FLAG OF CONVENIENCE TO AVOID PAYING US TAXES AND LABOR LAWS.

THE ARTICLE

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THE INDUSTRY EXPLOITS EXPLOITS US INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT DOES NOT GIVE BACK ITS FAIR SHARE.

BY THE WAY, THE FEDERAL CORPORATE TAX RATE IS 21% AMERICAN CRUISE LINES WITH ITS RIVER CLASS SHIPS.

THOSE THAT CURRENTLY DOCK AND VISIT YORKTOWN IS AMERICAN BUILT AND REGISTERED, UNLIKE PRINCESS LARGE OCEAN CLASS SHIPS.

UM, ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS, UH, INTERESTED, WHO DECIDED IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR PRINCESS TO COME TO YORKTOWN, THAT IS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

WAS IT THE PRESIDENT OF PRINCESS CRUISE LINES? WAS IT YORK COUNTY GOVERNANCE OR VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH GOVERNANCE? WAS IT A LOBBYIST? WAS IT A FEW INDIVIDUALS OR INSTITUTIONS WHO STAND TO BENEFIT? WAS IT THE COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG TRUSTEES PRESERVE YORKTOWN, WHO PUBLISHED THIS FACT? UM, DOES NOT KNOW WHO INITIATED THE PILOT PRINCESS PILOT PROGRAM.

UH, OKAY.

OH, NOW PROBABLY MY LAST ONE IS WHAT IS A PILOT PROGRAM? THE PILOT PROGRAM, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, IS A TESTING PERIOD TO SEE IF THE VISITS ARE SUCCESSFUL.

THIS MAY BE THE CASE, BUT BASED ON EXPERIENCE FROM OTHER PORT CITIES, THIS IS LIKELY A SOFT LAUNCH OF A NEW MARKET WITH EXPANSION TO FOLLOW.

THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDING FOR A PEER, EVEN BEFORE THE START OF A PILOT, IS STRONG EVIDENCE THAT FUTURE EXPANSION PLANS ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

UH, THIS WOULD BE A BOARDWALK IS WHAT, WHAT IT'S BEING CALLED.

UM, IT'S NOW, IT'S NOW ABOUT 14 AFTER, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO RECESS AND RECONVENE AT, UH, SEVEN 20.

WHO AM I? OKAY, WE'RE BACK ON.

LET'S SEE, UH, CONSIDERATION, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO

[PUBLIC HEARINGS]

PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, THIS IS, UH, NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION.

R 23 DASH 1 64 AND 23 DASH 1 65 APPLICATIONS, UH, FROM THE YORKTOWN U-V-A-Y-V-A, UH, 51 DASH 23 AND 2 52 DASH 20 3G SQUARE RESTAURANT.

AND NEW OUTDOOR DINING AREA.

UH, SO THIS IS AN EXPANSION OF AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA BETWEEN LARRY'S LEMONADE AND THE PUB AT, UH, 5 2 4 5 2 8 AND FIVE 40 WATER STREET.

THE FIVE 40 WATER STREET IS ON THERE FOR THE NEW RESTAURANT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

SO YOU HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

SO THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW.

UM, THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY THE YORKTOWN BEACH HOTEL TO THE NORTH, THE YORKTOWN BEACH TO THE EAST, AND THE ARCHER PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH.

AND THEN THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, ON THE BLUFF, WHICH SITS ABOVE, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, UM, IN YELLOW TO THE WEST.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, THE YVA DISTRICT, UM, COVERS ALL OF YORKTOWN.

IT WAS A SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT HAS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES EVERYTHING FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, TO BED AND BREAKFAST TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, RETAIL BUSINESSES, OFTEN OFFICES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DISTRICT, UH, MIXED IN ALTOGETHER.

UH, THE SUBJECT PARCELS, UM, ARE OCCUPIED BY TWO RESTAURANTS CURRENTLY.

UH, THE YORKTOWN PUB, WHICH IS ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET, LARRY'S LEMONADE, WHICH IS AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET.

UM, IN 2018, LARRY'S APPLIED TO HAVE AN EXPANDED OUTDOOR AREA, AND WE'RE APPROVED FOR IT FOR 400 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S THAT LITTLE TINY BLUE AREA THERE ON THE PICTURE.

UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO DESCRIBE IT.

CURRENTLY THERE'S A GRAVELED AREA BETWEEN THOSE TWO RESTAURANTS, RUNS FROM ONE BUILDING IN PAST ALMOST TO REED STREET ON THE OTHER END SHOW THERE IN BLUE.

UM, THAT AREA IS ABOUT 32 PARKING SPACES.

UH, WHEN I TALKED TO THE PROPRIETOR OR PURVEYOR OF THE PUB, HE SAID HE CAN FIT ABOUT 32 PARKING SPACES OUT THERE.

UM, SO IF THEY'RE UNMARKED, THEY'RE GRAVEL, SOMETIMES THEY DOUBLE PARK THINGS OF THAT NATURE OUT THERE JUST TO GET ALL THE PARKING.

UH, CURRENTLY THE PUB HAS A, UM, A TENT THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE COVID-19.

UH, YOU, THE BOARD ALLOWED THEM TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT TENT UNTIL SPRING OF NEXT YEAR, AS LONG AS THEY SUBMITTED PLANS TO KIND OF SHOW HOW THEY PLAN TO DO AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.

UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

UH, THESE TWO OUTDOOR AREAS, THE 400 SQUARE FEET AND THE TENT CURRENTLY CONCEDE ABOUT 92 PEOPLE.

UM, AND THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH HERE.

SO THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, AN EXPANSION BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS.

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UH, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE BEFORE YOU.

UM, IT'S A LARGE OUTDOOR DINING AREA COVERED.

UM, IT'S ABOUT, UH, 3000 SQUARE FEET.

ABOUT 2000 OF THAT SQUARE FEET IS FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA.

THE REMAINING SQUARE FOOTAGE IS FOR THE BATHROOMS, A DUMPSTER AREA NEAR LARRY'S, UM, AND A HANDICAP RAMP, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO GET UP INTO IT.

UM, THIS OUTDOOR DINING AREA SIT SEAT ABOUT 110 PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S ABOUT 18 MORE THAN WHAT THEY CURRENTLY CAN RIGHT NOW SEAT.

UM, THOUGH THE PROPOSED ROOF WOULD REDUCE REDUCE NOISE AND ACTIVITY THAT COULD IMPACT THE THREE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, WHICH YOU SEE ABOVE THE THREE HOMES THERE ABOVE THIS PROPERTY.

UM, ON THE BLUFF, A PROPOSED CONDITION HAS BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED IN YOUR RESOLUTION TO REQUIRE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS BEHIND THIS, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT NOISE REDUCTION LIGHT, UM, THE SOUND, ALL THOSE THINGS KIND OF HELP WITH, UM, GET REDUCED WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE HAS, IS A CONDITION IN THERE TO LIMIT, UM, THE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

SO THERE'S A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD DO LAST SEATING HERE AT NINE 30 WITH ALL ACTIVITY TO CEASE, UM, BY 11:00 PM.

AND LASTLY, THERE IS A CONDITION IN THERE TO VACATE THE INTERIOR PROPERTY LINES.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REQUESTED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW 3,500 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT THERE BESIDE THE PUB.

SO THE PUB'S ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THE NEW RESTAURANT THERE ON THE LEFT, ON THE HILLSIDE AT THE INTERSECTION OF WATER STREET AND REED STREET.

IT IS SITTING ON THE HILL FROM WATER STREET, BUT IS AT, UM, GRADE ON RE ON THE BACK PART OF REED STREET.

IT WOULD SEAT ABOUT 125, UM, UM, PERSONS.

UM, THE NEW RESTAURANT HAVE A WRAPAROUND PORCH, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE.

IT'S BROKEN UP INTO TWO WINGS THERE ON THE FRONT WITH A GABLE THAT IT KIND OF EXTENDS OUT.

UM, THAT GABLE HAS A KIND OF A FRONT PORCH LOOK WITH A FAUX FAKE FRONT DOOR, UM, AND A PORCH AREA SO THEY CAN OPEN UP THOSE DOORS AND KIND OF HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE AN ENTRANCE ON WATER STREET, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS UP TO IT.

FROM WATER STREET.

AS I SAID, THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS THAT GRADE ON REED STREET, AND THAT'S, UM, FOR A DA COMPLIANCE.

SO THEY CAN HAVE A DA ABILITY TO SERVICE THOSE THAT ARE IN NEED THERE.

UM, THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE IS 23 FEET EIGHT INCHES, UH, WHICH IS WELL BELOW THE 25 FEET REQUIRED IN IN YORKTOWN.

UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, SO THIS IS AERIAL PHOTO FROM 1974, AND I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM IN.

IT'S VERY UNCLEAR, BUT I'M GONNA ZOOM IN FOR YOU.

SO WE'VE GOT THE, UH, RESTAURANTS HERE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THESE LITTLE BLACK BITS OUT HERE.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST AERIAL PHOTO I COULD FIND WHERE THERE WAS ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS PARKING THERE ON THE BEACH.

SO IT'S BEEN GOING ON THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN FRONT OF THESE BUILDINGS.

UM, AND THIS IS THE KIND OF OVERHEAD BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE, UH, DESIGNATED 31 MARKED PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK THAT COMES FROM THE CHURCH STREET STAIRS ALL THE WAY OUT TO REED STREET.

UM, AND THEY'VE CREATED THESE 31 SPACES.

IN ADDITION, ON THE BACKSIDE NEAR REED STREET, THEY'VE GOT TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES AND THEN THREE PARALLEL SPACES ALONG REED STREET HERE THAT THEY'VE CREATED.

UM, WITH THIS.

SO THE, UM, SETBACK FOR THIS, UM, IS 10 FEET FOR THE BOARDWALK, AND THEN 15 FOUR FEET FOR THE RESTAURANT, UH, WHICH THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE BOARD TO APPROVE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THE YORKTOWN ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES 25% OPEN SPACE AT MINIMUM, AND THEY'VE GOT 47, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE BLUFF.

UM, IT TAKES IN ALL OF THAT GREEN AREA THERE.

SO THEY'RE WELL OVER, UH, THEIR REQUIREMENT THERE.

SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS AND APPROVE THEM BEFORE YOU ALL GET THIS APPLICATION.

AND THEY HAD DONE THAT.

MM-HMM, , THEY MET THREE TIMES.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAD DISCUSSIONS MULTIPLE TIMES WITH CITIZENS AT THOSE MEETINGS AND, UM, MADE A LOT OF CHANGES.

THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR IT WHILE STILL KEEPING WATER STREET, UM, A RIGHT OF WAY, A, A VDOT RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND AT THEIR NOVEMBER 15TH MEETING, THE HYDC DID APPROVE THIS APPLIC, BOTH OF THOSE, THESE APPLICATIONS.

SO, UH, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR, UH, REVIEW TONIGHT.

UH, SO WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE BOARDWALK, UM, THE ADDITION OF THE NEW RESTAURANT REQUIRES ABOUT ANOTHER 69 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NOT PRESENT ON THIS SITE.

UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR THOSE SPACES TO BE OFFSITE, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THOSE IN JUST A MINUTE.

UM, AND WE, BUT WE ALSO HAD VDOT REVIEW THIS, AND VDOT SAID THEY WERE, THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE PARKING AS LONG AS THE LINE WAS ADJUSTED SO THAT G SQUARE THEN HAD ALL THE PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

UH, BUT IT WOULD PLACE ALL OF THAT PARKING ON GG SQUARE'S PROPERTY AND MAKE

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SO, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THOSE OTHER 69 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO USE PUBLIC PARKING THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE.

UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 16 PARKING SITES.

SEE THE YELLOW AREAS THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE AREA, ABOUT 1400 SQUARE, UH, 1400 PARKING SPACES, OVER 1400 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE.

UH, COUNTY ALSO RUNS A TROLLEY, UH, 10:00 AM TO 5:00 PM THROUGHOUT THE SEASON.

UM, THAT DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, I KNOW IT ENDS AT FIVE, UH, BUT USUALLY THE BEACH IS KIND OF EMPTYING AT THAT POINT.

AND SO THERE'S MORE PARKING AVAILABLE IN OTHER PLACES.

SO THE TROLLEY WON'T BE NEEDED.

UH, BUT IF THEY ARE USING PUBLIC PARKING SPACES, THEY, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TWO PARKING AGREEMENTS, ONE WITH THE COUNTY TO USE THE ALEXANDER HAMILTON BOULEVARD PROPERTY.

PARKING.

UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PLACE SIGNAGE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PARK HERE AND YOU WANNA GET A RIDE TO THE RESTAURANT, CALL THIS NUMBER AND THEY'LL COME GET YOU, KIND OF THING.

UM, AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO MADE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM TO USE THE, THE PARKING THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, THE MUSEUM ITSELF.

UH, THE BOARD CREATED THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE, UM, ACTIVITY DISTRICT, UH, TO RECOGNIZE THE NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE, UM, AND INTERNATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS AREA, UH, HOW IT INTERRELATED BETWEEN THE HISTORIC, THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THE COMMERCIAL USES, AND HOW YORKTOWN DIS THE YORKTOWN DISTRICT PROVIDES A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES, UM, THAT THE BOARD THEN APPROVES AND REVIEWS AND APPROVES.

UM, AND IT ALSO HELPS PROMOTE AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE, UM, THE VILLAGE AREA.

ADDITIONALLY, UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT VASTLY IMPROVES THAT AREA, UH, GOES FROM A GRAVEL PARKING AREA TO A VERY NICE LOOKING AREA.

UM, AND I WILL SAY THE APPLICANT HAS DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE.

HE HAS HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC AND GATHERED THEIR INPUT AND CHANGED HIS, HIS PROJECT IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO GET CONSENSUS ON, ON THIS ISSUE.

HAS HE GOTTEN ALL OF IT? I'LL SAY NO, BUT HE'S GOTTEN A GOOD 90, 80, 90%, I WOULD SAY.

HE MAY DISAGREE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

UM, WE FEEL LIKE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT ON THERE WILL HELP PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, ESPECIALLY, UM, THE, UH, CONDITIONS FOR LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING REDUCTION, UH, THE EVERGREEN TREES, UM, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WILL, AND THE, THE RESTRICTIONS ON OUR USE WILL REALLY PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THOSE USES ARE OPERATING HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.

THIS WILL PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AND KIND OF HELP THEM WITH THAT, UH, MORE THAN WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY.

ADDITIONALLY, YOUR BOARD PRIORITIES IS TO ENHANCE TOURISM, SO THIS WILL BRING A NICE VARIETY OF USES DOWN ON THE BEACHFRONT AND HELP ADD SOME VARIETY TOURISM WISE TO THAT.

ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE TROLLEY AND THE AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC PARKING HERE, UH, WE FEEL LIKE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED CAN BE PROVIDED WITHIN THE VILLAGE WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS PLANS TO KIND OF, THAT HE CAN ELABORATE ON WHEN HE COMES UP TO KIND OF GET TOWARDS MAKING THAT WORK.

SO WE AS STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

YOU HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS.

AS MR. SHEPHERD SAID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS AND THEY APPROVED IT UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, AND I, MR. UH, GRANGER IS HERE, AND MR. TOM TINGLE IS HERE, HIS ARCHITECT.

UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR THEM.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME, JUDGE YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

SHEILA, NO QUESTIONS.

COUPLE QUESTIONS, SIR.

PARKING, WHAT? GIMME THE SIZE OF THE PARKING BOXES, PLEASE.

UH, THE SIZE OF A PARKING SPACE.

UM, NINE BY 18, 18, 18, ONLY 18 FEET DEEP.

18 FEET DEEP.

SEEMS A LITTLE SHALLOW, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE PROVIDING A LITTLE DEEPER.

SO THEY CAN ANSWER THAT.

NINE, NINE.

I'M 18.

UM, SO YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT NOISE ABATEMENT.

WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET IN FRONT OF THAT NOW AND, AND PUT SOME EVERGREENS ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE TO, TO HELP ABSORB THE SIGN THAT WHAT HEARD EARLIER.

THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OR WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

SO THAT IS IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERE.

AND GIVEN THE MAKEUP OF THAT HILLSIDE, EVERGREEN IS GOING TO GONNA THRIVE THERE, WE THINK.

UM, WELL, THEY MAY HAVE TO DO SOME, UH, TERRACING AND BRING IN SOME DIRT TO KIND OF BUILD THEM UP A LITTLE BIT.

UM, WE HAVE RESTRICTED THE PLANTING HEIGHT AT MATURITY, SO WE DON'T WANT THEM GOING UP SO HIGH THAT THEY BLOCK THE VIEW OF THOSE RESIDENTS.

UH, SO WE HAVE PUT SOME STIPULATIONS IN THOSE CONDITIONS THAT THEY NOT BE MORE THAN, I THINK IT'S 12 OR 15 FEET IN HEIGHT.

WHAT'S THE, YES.

THEY MAY HAVE TO BRING SOME DIRT IN BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, IT'S A SPECIAL LIMESTONE TYPE ROCK THERE, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE ROOTS CAN'T GET INTO WITHOUT DETERIORATING IT, SO THEY MAY HAVE TO BRING IN SOME DIRT AND THINGS OF THAT

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NATURE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

UM, CAN YOU PUT THAT PICTURE ON THAT SHOWED THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE YES, SIR.

THE RESTAURANTS.

LET'S GO THE KEYBOARD HERE.

HAVE THAT ONE, THAT ONE WORK.

UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT WHERE THE PRINT WALTER STREET IS, IS BLACKTOP? YES, SIR.

THIS IS THE ASPHALT AREA CURRENTLY.

AND WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THAT? FROM THE, FROM THE END OF THE PARKING, UH, SPACES TO THE, UH, SAND, UH, WHAT, WHAT THIS DISTANCE IS RIGHT HERE.

WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU PROPOSED? SO, I'M SORRY, RIGHT HERE WHERE THE WATER STREET IS WITH THE, SO YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HERE AND THE ACTUAL BACK OF CURB? THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE DI BLUE BLUE DASHES MM-HMM.

, UH, AND THE, UH, YEAH.

RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

HOW WIDE IS THE, HOW WIDE IS THAT? OKAY.

I WOULD SAY THE PROPOSED HERE IS AT LEAST 24 FEET.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE READ ON THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS YET EXACTLY OF WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.

UH, SO THOSE THINGS WILL COME OUT IN SITE PLAN REVIEW IF IT, IF IT MOVES FORWARD TO THAT.

AND THE MINIMUM, UH, WIDTH WOULD BE WHAT? UH, FOUR? WELL, FOR FIRE TRUCKS IT'S 20, 20 FEET.

JUST 20 FEET OH, FEET.

DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE ANYTHING TO, UH, UH, HAVE WHAT RECENTLY BEEN MISSING FROM A LOT OF INITIATIVES? AND THAT IS SOME KIND OF A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION TO SEE IF THERE'S PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR THE INITIATIVE? SO, UM, THEY GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK AT PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN THEY ALSO TOOK THREE MEETINGS AT THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE TO, TO GET PUBLIC INPUT.

ONE OF THEM SPECIFICALLY JUST LIKE A QUESTION AND ANSWER BETWEEN THE AUDIENCE AND, AND MR. GRANGER AND MR. TINGLE WHO WERE THERE, MR. TANNER, THAT KIND MEETING TOOK PLACE.

SO THEY DID, YES.

THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE, AND THEN THEY HAD MEETING, I MEAN, I, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU ALL OF THIS, BUT THEY HAD MEETINGS WITH, UM, THE RESIDENTS WITH THE CHURCH.

UM, WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS DOWN THERE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY GOT AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS THEY COULD SO THAT THE PLAN THAT THEY WERE BRINGING FORWARD RIGHT.

WAS, WAS KIND OF MAKING EVERYONE HAPPY.

UH, THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

THANKS EARL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I'M TOM TINGLE.

I'M WITH GUERNSEY TINGLE ARCHITECTS, REPRESENTING, UH, THE GRANGER FAMILY.

WITH ME IS GREG GRANGER, WHO'S GONNA BE UP SPEAKING JUST IN, IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AS I WRAP UP.

WE ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM HERE FROM HENDERSON, INC.

GENERAL CONTRACTOR, A ES CONSULTING ENGINEERS, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, AND ALSO RICK TANNER, UH, WHO IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE PUB.

SO, I WILL BE BRIEF BECAUSE EARL DID A GREAT JOB OF, OF PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW, BUT JUST TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE DESIGN AND THAT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH BACK TO MR. ZUMBA'S.

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF THROUGH THE, ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE HYDC, UH, DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS.

SO, AS EARL SAID, IT'S REALLY TWO PROJECTS ON, UH, ADJACENT LOTS, THE PROPOSED COVERED DINING DECK AND THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT.

LEMME GO BACK JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY AS IT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM CITIZENS OF THE TOWN AND CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

, MANY OF YOU THAT GREW UP IN YORKTOWN HAVE BEEN IN, IN YORK COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME, KNOW THAT, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF BUILDINGS ON THAT SITE.

SO, UH, THE GRANGER FAMILY, ACTUALLY BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, UH, UH, TORE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS DOWN TO PREPARE THE SITE FOR, UH, THESE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT YOU SEE THE OLD MOTEL SITE THAT'S ON THE SITE OF THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, JUST UNKEMPT PROPERTIES THAT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP A LOT THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, EXISTING OPERATORS OF THE, THE FACILITIES AND THE GRANGER FAMILY.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME WE DID NOT HAVE A PRISTINE HILL THERE THAT LOOKS PRETTY NICE NOW WITH A, A MORAL, UH, COVERED, UH, HILL WITH GRASS AND SO FORTH.

THE, UH, THE OUTDOOR DINING, THE TEMPORARY DINING THAT, UH, EARL MENTIONED THAT'S WAS ADJACENT TO LARRY'S AND THE PUB.

AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT SITE IS EVEN IF WE, WE TRY TO CLEAN IT UP, WE STILL HAVE DUMPSTERS AND OTHER THINGS THAT SUPPORT THE RESTAURANTS, UH, KIND OF THE BUSINESS END OF THE RESTAURANTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT ARE NEEDED ON THAT, THAT BLOCK.

SO THE PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT BECAME A COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS.

UH, AS EARL SAID, THE SECOND MEETING, ACTUALLY THE FIRST MEETING WE MET WITH THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.

UH, THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE OUTDOOR DINING.

WE ACTUALLY HAD A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THAT.

UM, WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE NEXT MONTH, REALIZED THAT THERE WERE

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UH, WE WENT BACK TO THE HYDC AND BASICALLY JUST OPENED UP A, A CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION AND SAID, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE? MR. GRANGER WAS VERY OPEN TO IDEAS, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM ARCHITECTURE TO BLUE ROOFS THAT APPARENTLY LOOK A LOT LIKE A, UH, UM, A, A A PANCAKE HOUSE, BUT, UH, HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE.

BUT ANYWAY, UH, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO RESPOND TO THAT.

SO THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE HERE IS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, INCLUDING LANDSCAPING THAT'S PROPOSED.

THE LANDSCAPING, MR. ROHN, THAT WAS ASKED BEHIND THE BOARDWALK IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.

BUT OTHER LANDSCAPING, UH, WAS DESIGNED BEFORE THE, UH, COUNTY CONDITION WAS, WAS ASKED FOR.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ARCHITECTURALLY IS DESIGN A FACILITY THAT FITS IN WITH THE SCALE OF YORKTOWN.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM CITIZENS IS, IT LOOKS TOO COMMERCIAL.

WE WANT IT TO LOOK MORE RESIDENTIAL.

WE PICKED UP NOT JUST ON COLORS AND MATERIALS AND SO FORTH, BUT TRIED TO PICK UP ON THE SCALE OF THE TRADITIONAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN YORKTOWN, AND EVEN INTRODUCE MATERIALS SUCH AS STONE AND BRICK, UH, AROUND THE BUILDINGS, UH, AND THE OUTDOOR DINING DECK.

, AS EARL MENTIONED, THE BUILDING IS UP SEVERAL FEET ABOVE GRADE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT WHY WE DON'T HAVE A FRONT DOOR ON WATER STREET.

WE CAN'T PROVIDE, UH, A DA ACCESS TO THAT DOOR BEING SIX FEET ABOVE GRADE, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE IT ON THE SIDE.

SO THE FRONT PORCH, UH, WHAT EARL REFERRED TO AS A FAUX DOOR, ACTUALLY IS SOME OUTDOOR DINING THAT CAN BE OPENED UP TO PROVIDE GREAT DINING SPACE DURING, UH, THE NICE WEATHER.

SO WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND STILL HAVE THE ENTRANCE FOR A DA ACCESS ON THE REED STREET SIDE.

THE OUTDOOR DINING DECKS ACTUALLY STARTED WITH AN OPEN DECK AND SALE COVERS.

WE INTRODUCED, UH, THE ROOF AT THE REQUEST OF ADJACENT NEIGHBORS INTRODUCED MATERIALS SUCH AS STONE TO PICK UP AND EMULATE THE, UH, THE MORAL, UH, MATERIAL ON THE, THE BANK ITSELF.

AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE ARE REALLY TWO OUTDOOR BARS, ONE AT EACH END, UH, OF THE DECK, AND THEN OPEN DINING AND SEATING IN THE MIDDLE.

SO AGAIN, THE CHANGES THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

A REVIEW YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER WHERE WE STARTED, UH, REDUCED THE SEATING CAPACITY FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, ADDED THE FULL ROOF TO HELP SCREEN THOSE ACTIVITIES FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE CHURCH ON THE TOP OF THE BANK, UH, AND PROVIDE, UH, SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL ACOUSTICAL CONTROL.

MADE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE ROOFING, THE RAILING, THE COLORS, AND SO FORTH.

AND LIKEWISE, THE CHANGES ON THE RESTAURANT ITSELF REDUCED THE SA SCALE AND SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, TRIED TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE COMMENTS AND INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORS, AND REDUCED THE SEATING CAPACITY ON THAT BUILDING AS WELL.

IT ACTUALLY STARTED AT ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET DOWN AT 3,500 SQUARE FEET NOW.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MITIGATION OF PARKING.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PARKING, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE ON THAT PROPERTY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GOING A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING COMPLETELY, UH, FOREIGN TO, UH, THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO GET ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NEEDED.

THE REALITY IS THE OUTDOOR DECK IS LIKELY GOING TO BE USED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN YORKTOWN, ON THE BEACH COMING OFF THE BEACH FOR, TO GRAB A BITE TO EAT A LATE AFTERNOON SNACK.

AND AS MR. ANDERSON INDICATED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, UH, DINING HOURS WILL START UP FOR THE RESTAURANT, THAT'S WHEN THE BEACH IS STARTING TO, TO, UH, EMPTY OUT.

SO WE SEE KIND OF A, A, A NICE NATURAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MULTIPLE USES, AS YOU OFTEN DO IN TOWNS WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND RECREATIONAL USES DURING THE DAY.

AND THEN RESTAURANT USES IN THE EVENING.

SO WE THINK THAT COMBINED WITH THE PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY, WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, VALET PARKING, UH, FOR REMOTE PICKUP PARKING IN THOSE REMOTE LOTS, CERTAINLY CONSERVE THESE BUSINESSES AND NOT IMPEDE THE TOWN WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING PROBLEMS. AND THEN FINALLY, THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT THE GRANGER FAMILY HAS AGREED TO LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION, SCREENING THE LIGHTING WITH THAT ROOF SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIGHTING ESCAPING ABOVE THE ROOF ITSELF.

AND THEN ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND CHARACTER.

SO IF I COULD ASK MR. GRANGER TO STEP UP AND THEN, UH, MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND WE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TOM.

AND, UH, MR. ANDERSON HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE PROJECT PROJECT.

I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THE WHY BEHIND THE PROJECT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT

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THE MONEY.

THE SMART MONEY STAYS AT HOME AND DOESN'T MAKE THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT THAT, HONESTLY, I'LL PROBABLY NEVER SEE A, A RECOUP OF IN MY LIFETIME.

UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE, SPECIFICALLY A PORTION OF WATER STREET THAT IS SEEMINGLY STUCK.

IT'S NOT A NEW PROJECT, IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN WORKED ON FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

MY DAD PRESENTED A NUMBER OF DESIGNS DURING HIS LIFETIME, BUT I'M SORRY TO SAY, WE LOST DAD THIS PAST JUNE.

DAD'S FIRST STROKE WAS IN 2003, THEN SOME SMALLER ONES ALONG THE WAY.

BUT IN 2017, HIS LAST BIG STROKE LEFT HIM UNABLE TO WALK.

IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER EATEN THE PUB OR LARRY'S, YOU KNOW, THE ENTRANCES ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO A DA ACCESSIBLE, NOR ARE THE RESTROOMS. COVID CHANGED MANY THINGS.

WE LEARNED THE WORLD LOVED OUTDOOR SEATING, AND OURS WAS NON-EXISTENT.

TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE W WE MET WITH A NUMBER OF GROUPS OF PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS.

WE, WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL, FACEBOOK, OVER THE PHONE.

WE TRIED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMENTS AND EMBRACE THE CHANGES THAT WERE SUGGESTED.

I FEEL LIKE THIS PLAN ACCOMPLISHES A GREAT DEAL.

WE WANTED TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF A LANDMARK RESTAURANT, THE YORKTOWN PUB, TO CHANGE THE YORKTOWN PUB TO PUT THE BATHROOMS IN IT.

EVEN IT, IT'S, IT WOULD BE A MASSIVE CHANGE.

BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ENHANCED A GREAT BUILDING WITHOUT TOUCHING IT.

UM, THE YORKTOWN PUB PROJECT ALSO ADDS A DA BATHROOMS. WE GET FOUR OUT OF THIS PROJECT.

WE GET THEM IN, IN A RESTAURANT THAT MY DAD HAD NEVER BEEN ABLE TO, TO GO IN FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF HIS LIFE.

WE NOW, WE WILL NOW HAVE A DA RESTROOMS AT THIS END OF WATER STREET.

UM, WE GET A GREAT SAFE SIDEWALK FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE.

UH, WE'VE REMOVED TWO UNSIGHTLY DUMPSTERS FROM THE MIDDLE OF WATER STREET.

IT CREATES A VARIETY OF DINING OPTIONS WITH A VARIETY OF PRICE POINTS THAT WE CAN ALL ENJOY ON WATER STREET.

IT'S THE ENHANCED AESTHETICS FOR, FOR PARKING, WALKING, AND SEATING ON WATER STREET.

THAT REALLY HELPED TO MAKE THIS SUCH A GREAT PROJECT.

AND I APPRECIATED EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS THAT I'VE, UH, HEARD ALONG THE WAY TO HELP IT, BRING IT TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

SO DOES, UH, THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF, UH, NO.

THE REPRESENTATIVE OR OF, UH, MR. GRANGER? YEAH, MR. GRANGER TIED TO MY EARLIER, UH, COMMENT OR QUESTION.

IN TERMS OF THE PUSHBACK OR SUPPORT FORWARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF RATIO IN TERMS OF X NUMBER OF PEOPLE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT VERSUS Y NUMBER OF PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT? SO, WHEN I CAME TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, I WANNA SAY THERE WAS 17 PEOPLE WHO GOT UP AND SPOKE AGAINST IT.

UM, IT, IT, I FELT LIKE FRANKENSTEIN AND THE VILLAGE SHOWING UP WITH TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS CANDIDLY, THAT EVENING.

UM, AFTER THAT WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO HYDC, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD APPROVAL FOR THE OUTDOOR SEATING, I WANTED TO SIT DOWN AND LISTEN TO EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS AND COMMENTS.

I GAVE HIM MY PHONE NUMBER, MY EMAIL.

UM, WE, UH, RECEIVED COMMENTS VIA FACEBOOK.

AND THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION AND THAT EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, WE WOUND UP WITH A PROJECT THAT I BELIEVE, UH, IS EMBRACED BY THE COMMUNITY.

NOW.

UH, I'M SURE THERE'S ONE OR TWO FOLKS, MAYBE MORE THAT WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LITTLE CHANGE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE VILLAGE WHO ARE VERY, UM, CHALLENGING AT TIMES.

AND I THINK THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.

WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM.

WE'VE SAT IN THEIR KITCHENS, UH, IN THEIR MEETING ROOMS AND, AND LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS, UM, TO WHERE, WHEN WE CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANYBODY SPEAK AGAINST IT.

YEAR OR TWO OF PEOPLE DINING ON THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA, THAT SHOULD GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS THAT'LL HELP THE BANK FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.

IF, UH, IF, IF APPROVED, WHAT HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF YOUR TIMELINE, WHAT IDEA ARE YOU LOOKING AT OF IMPLEMENTATION? I'D LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPTIMIST AND SAY, UH, WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY, UH, SOME FOOD IN THE OUTDOOR DINING SECTION THIS SUMMER.

UH, THAT, THAT'S MY HOPE.

UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ALL ALONG THE RESTAURANT, THE FREESTANDING RESTAURANT'S, PROBABLY TWO YEARS AWAY.

I STILL HAVE TO CONVINCE A BANK THAT THIS IS A GOOD INVESTMENT.

AND AFTER A

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UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SMELLY PART OF THIS.

WHERE ARE THE DUMPSTERS GONNA BE? THAT'S BEEN A, A BIG ISSUE, UH, IN THE PAST WITH, UH, THE DUMPSTERS AND THE SCREENING, AND I KNOW, UH, MR. RAEL AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND OTHER FOLKS THAT YOU'VE MET, UH, WITH PITCHFORKS AND, UH, UH, OTHER ITEMS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHERE THE STINKY PART OF THIS GOES.

ALRIGHT, SO THE, UH, IT'S COLD IN HERE.

THE, THE BIG PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE DUMPSTER SITES.

UM, WITH THE FREESTANDING RESTAURANT.

THERE'LL BE ONE BEHIND THE RESTAURANT BEHIND, UH, UH, THAT YOU WOULD ACCESS FROM REED STREET.

, UH, THAT WAY THE DUMPS, UH, THE DUMP TRUCK WILL BE COMING AND GOING FROM THERE.

THAT WOULD BE PRIMARILY USED BY THE NEW RESTAURANT AND THE PUB.

UNTIL THEN, THERE WILL BE ONE JUST BETWEEN LARRY'S AND THE PROPOSED COVERED DINING AREA.

UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE ONE SOMEWHERE DOWN THERE.

UM, WE EXPECT THE PICKUP WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN DAILY, UH, BECAUSE IT'LL BE THE ONE DUMPSTER THAT'LL SERVE ALL THAT SPACE.

UH, SO IT MIGHT BE SMELLY FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SITTING THERE FOR DAYS ON END.

UM, BECAUSE THE, THE DEMAND WILL JUST BE SUCH THAT IT'LL HAVE TO GET PICKED UP EVERY DAY.

I EXPECT.

AND I, I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU FOR THE WAY THAT YOU'VE CONDUCTED THIS PROCESS, UH, TALKING TO ALL THE VILLAGERS AND THE FOLKS.

AND IT'S JUST BEEN, UH, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REAL SERVICE, UH, TO YOUR PROJECT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU'VE, UH, HANDLED THIS WHOLE PROJECT.

OKAY, MS. GRAINGER, THIS, UH, SO IS LARRY'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME OPERATING HOURS AS, UH, YORKTOWN PUB AS A LANDLORD, I'VE TRIED NOT TO DICTATE THE HOURS, UH, TO LARRY'S.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY MY, MY PLACE.

AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M ABLE TO COMMENT ON THAT IN YOUR APP.

SO IN YOUR APPLICATION, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN HERE.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK RIGHT NOW, IF LARRY'S IS NOT OPEN AT THE SAME TIME AS THE HUB, I MEAN LIKE IN THE EVENINGS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO LARRY'S IS A SUBTENANT RIGHT.

OF, UH, MR. TANNER AND MR. RA'S BUSINESS.

AND SO THAT'S, SO THERE'S NO, YOU HAVE NO RESTRICTION ON THAT.

I, I HAVE NONE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE AGREED TO.

UM, I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IS HOW THINGS WERE GONNA BE GOING ON DOWN THERE.

'CAUSE IN THE EVENING IT GETS PRETTY EVEN AFTER, ESPECIALLY AFTER HOURS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OFF WORK AND THEY WANT TO COME TO THE PUB.

RIGHT NOW, IT GETS PRETTY CROWDED IN TERMS OF BARKING.

AND, UM, JUST WONDERED HOW THAT WAS GONNA WORK OUT.

UM, SO IF THE, IF THE, UM, TRASH BIN, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IT'S GONNA BE DOWN THERE BY LARRY'S, HOW IS IT, WHAT KIND OF TRASH BIN ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE'S GREAT BIG, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS IT LIKE 10 FEET LONG AND FIVE FEET WIDE WITH A BIG LID ON IT? ARE WE, IT IS INTENDED TO BE A STANDARD SIZED DUMPSTER AT THIS.

HOW, HOW DO YOU GET IN THERE THEN? I MEAN, IF PEOPLE ARE PARKED THERE, HOW DO YOU GET IN? IT'S BEFORE HOURS.

SO, SO LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS GONNA BE EMP EMPTY MAYBE TWICE A DAY.

I I JUST DON'T, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE EMPTIED EVERY DAY IN THE MORNINGS.

JUST ONCE A DAY.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT YOU, SIR.

I WAS, IF I SAID TWICE A DAY, I MISSPOKE.

I MEANT TO SAY ONCE, ONCE EVERY DAY.

IS WHAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE.

I, I WANT TO ECHO, UH, MR. GREEN'S COMMENT JUST AND TO THE STAFF TOO.

THIS PACKAGE IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, IS BACK THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE, AND THE DETAILS.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE BRIEFINGS ON IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

TO ALL THAT HAVE SHOWN AND INTEREST, AND HAS INCORPORATED MANY OF THEIR IDEAS INTO THE FINAL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.

I'LL GO AHEAD NOW AND OPEN UP THE, UH, THE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND LET'S SEE.

I'VE GOT QUITE A FEW FOLKS SIGNED UP HERE.

UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, REMIND EVERYONE IF YOU'RE GONNA SAYING THE SAME THING, YOU, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I COULD APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FORM, BUT, BUT, UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO REPORT OR REPEAT EVERY WORD.

SO ANYWAY, THE FIRST ONE'S RICK TANNER, WELCOME.

HI, MY NAME IS RICK TANNER.

I RESIDE AT TWO OFFICER JOHN, WE SEAFORD BOARD MEMBERS.

I HAVE CO-OWNED THE YORKTOWN PUB FOR 24 YEARS.

I'VE SEEN RIVER WALK LANDING BUILT AND HOW THE ENTIRE COUNTY HAS BENEFITED FROM ITS CONSTRUCTION.

I BELIEVE THE PROJECT PROPOSED BY G SQUARE WILL HELP TO COMPLETE THE WATERFRONT AND THE VILLAGE AS A WHOLE.

THE PROPERTY HAS NEEDED AN UPGRADE AND MR. GRANGER HAS TAKEN THE TIME AND SPENT THE MONEY TO REDESIGN THE PROJECT THREE TIMES.

HE HAS LISTENED

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THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN TO THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE THREE TIMES.

WE HAVE APPEARED IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TWICE.

THEY HAVE BOTH PASSED THE FINAL DESIGN UNANIMOUSLY.

THE COUNTY HAS ALLOWED THE PUB TO USE THE OLD NANCY THOMAS PARKING LOT AFTER 5:00 PM FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.

WE HAVE ALSO AGREED IN PRINCIPLE, WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM FOR AN ADDITIONAL 20 PARKING SPACES.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS TO CREATE MORE SEATING FOR THE YORKTOWN PUB.

THE DECK WILL REPLACE OUR TENT, AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL BE RUN BY THE PUB.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL CREATE A RESTAURANT THAT BE, THAT WILL BE ONE OF A KIND.

THE ELEVATED VIEW FROM THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE UNIQUE.

THERE IS NOT, AND PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT ON THE YORK COUNTY SIDE OF THE RIVER.

WITH THIS VIEW, I STRONGLY URGE APPROVAL.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME IT WAS SUGGESTED.

MIGHT SAVE OURSELVES A WHOLE LOT OF TIME IF EVERYBODY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT MAY STAND UP AT THIS TIME.

SO IF YOU'RE STANDING, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT GONNA SPEAK MIGHT SAVE THE BOARD QUITE A BIT OF TIME.

, THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD.

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

AND, UM, WHAT'S, UH, MO I GUESS IT'S MOLIN.

MOLIN TANNER.

AM I GETTING CLOSE? I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT.

UH, MATTHEW TANNER.

UM, MATTHEW, OKAY.

ONE 18 EAST BRISTOL LANE.

UH, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

I'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE GROWN UP IN YORKTOWN EVER SINCE I WAS FIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING DOWN THERE AND SEEING HOW MUCH THE COUNTY HAS GROWN AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS GO, I THINK THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO ADD TO THAT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER BEING A LITTLE KID AND SITTING ON TOP OF THAT HILL AND LOOKING ON THE BAY AND JUST THAT MEMORY IN ITSELF, BEING TO INSTILL THAT TO OTHER PEOPLE AND JUST ADD BEAUTIFICATION DOWN TO THE BOARDWALK.

I THINK WE DO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS.

I'M STEVE ORMSBY.

I'VE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE WATER MUSIC MUSEUM FOR, UH, ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW.

I RESIDE AT 9 0 3 9 LADY LANE IN HAYES, VIRGINIA.

BUT, UH, LIKE I SAY, I SPEND ALMOST EVERY DAY DOWN HERE ON THE WATERFRONT.

UH, OUR BOARD, UH, VOTED ON, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE COULD GO INTO AN AGREEMENT ON PARKING AND UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED HELPING TO THE, THE PUB OUT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE OFFERED UP LAY DOWN SPACE FOR CONSTRUCTION WHILE THEY'RE DOING THINGS SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY CLEAR UP THE AREA DOWN IN FRONT OF THE PUB, UH, WON'T BE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AT ALL THE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND MATERIALS.

SO, LIKE I SAID, A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND IT AND, UH, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT MOVE.

UH, CHRIS ETHERIDGE.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS ETHER.

I LIVE AT 3 0 2 MAR BANK DRIVE.

UM, I GREW UP IN EDGE HILL RIDING MY BIKE DOWN TO YORKTOWN BEACH WHEN I WAS A KID.

UM, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A, A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE WATERFRONT.

UM, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE AVERAGE TRUCK LENGTH IS 16.3 FEET, SO THE EIGHT, THE PARKING SPACE IS BEING 18 FEET DO IT GIVES PLENTY OF SPACE FOR TRUCKS PARKED.

LOOKS LIKE JOHN, UH, WHEATLEY.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

MY NAME'S IS JOHN WHEATLEY.

I LIVE AT 1 99 STONY RIDGE COURT IN NEW NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.

AND, UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ON YOUR SERVICE.

BACK AND FORTH AND, UM, MET THE DEMANDS THAT THE PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF GOING UP IS GONNA HELP YOU , BUT, UM, THE, THE AREA THAT I REMEMBER AS A KID WAS NICK'S AND WE USED TO FISH BEHIND THE POST OFFICE AND THERE WAS SOME HUGE BOATS THAT USED TO PULL IN A LONG TIME AGO.

AND, UM, THERE WAS NO REAL BIG DEAL ON PARKING.

IT'S JUST WHAT WE, WE JUST REMEMBER IT.

UM, 4TH OF JULY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A MESS DOWN THERE, BUT, UM, THIS PROJECT HERE IS GONNA GIVE PEOPLE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO AND WATCH 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.

IT'S REALLY A NICE, THE WAY THEY'VE LAID IT OUT IS, IS A REALLY GOOD DESIGN.

AND, UM, THEY'VE GONE

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I THINK IT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY, DEAN, UM, TIMOR, WELCOME.

HOW Y'ALL DOING? UH, DEAN SHAMAS, UH, 3 0 7 DANIELS DRIVE.

UM, I'M ONE OF THE OPERATORS AT YORKTOWN PUP.

UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS PROJECT SING IT.

IT'S GONNA BE WONDERFUL WHEN WE GET DONE WITH IT.

IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A LANDMARK OF THE BEACH FRONT.

OKAY? OKAY.

WE'LL TAKE CARE.

LIN, UH, LINDSEY MASON.

HI, MY NAME IS LINDSAY MASON AND I RESIDE AT FOUR 90 MICHAEL IRVIN, AND THAT'S NEWPORT NEWS.

HOWEVER, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED AT THE YORKTOWN PUB FOR 18 YEARS.

UM, THE GENERAL MANAGER THERE, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH HEARD, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT BEING DOWN THERE SEVEN DAYS, SIX DAYS A WEEK, UM, HOURS THAT END.

UM, I CAN SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS DEFINITELY BEHIND THIS.

WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

UM, PEOPLE ARE EXCITED AND, UM, EVEN PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE VILLAGE THAT COME DOWN, UM, ARE REALLY EXCITED.

APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT MR. GRANGER'S DONE, TAKING IN WHAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THEIR CONCERNS.

AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN TO CLEAN IT UP AND GET WATER STREET LOOKING AS GOOD AS IT DOES DOWN THE OTHER END.

SO, THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU DAVID BDI.

GOOD EVENING, HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

I'M DAVID BDI, 7 0 2 MAIN STREET, THE HORNSBY HOUSE INN.

SO, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AS A BOARD, ESPECIALLY TONIGHT, AND ESPECIALLY TO WALT, A DEAR OLD FRIEND AND A MENTOR.

WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU, WALT, BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.

UH, UH, THE, THE, THE GRANGER FAMILY I'VE KNOWN FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

IN FACT, I'LL TELL YOU, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS EIGHT YEARS OLD, THE PUB WAS CALLED MONTY'S AND WOULD SERVE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH THEN BECAME, UH, GUS'S OR, AND THEN THE, UH, ANCIENT MARINER AND NOW THE YORKTOWN PUB.

SO IT'S GONE THROUGH LOTS OF TRANSITIONS AND, UM, THIS, UH, RECENT APPLICATION, I THINK IS A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF HOW A GOOD SYSTEM COULD WORK.

GREAT.

THE FIRST MEETING THERE WERE, LIKE THEY SAID, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAD CONCERNS.

THEY, UH, THE GRANGER FAMILY LISTENED, THEIR ARCHITECT LISTENED.

THEY MADE CHANGES, THEY CAME BACK, THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THIS SHOULD BE A TEXTBOOK CASE FOR THE WILLIAM MILLER BUSINESS SCHOOL.

THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

I'VE KNOWN THE GRAINGER FAMILY FOR 50 YEARS.

THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.

THEY'RE NOT UNKNOWNS.

I'VE KNOWN RICK FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE RUNNING THE HORNSBY HOUSE END.

WE'VE HAD OVER 20,000 GUESTS COME THROUGH THE END, AND I THINK 15,000 OF 'EM WENT TO THE PUB.

ALL WITH GOOD REPORTS.

SO I CAN'T SPEAK, UH, ANYMORE, UH, PROFOUNDLY IN IN FAVOR OF THIS.

UM, LEMME LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE AND I'LL FINISH IT UP.

THIS IS A, UH, BASICALLY A WIN-WIN, UH, SITUATION.

AND, UH, I, I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE IN FAVOR UNANIMOUSLY FOR THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OKAY, THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER VAR.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME'S, UH, CHRIS VAR.

I'M, UH, CURRENTLY IN DANDY AT THREE 16 DANDY LOOP ROAD.

UH, LES DAWSON'S OLD PACKING COMPANY.

IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT, I BUILT UP MY HOUSE HERE.

I MOVED UP FROM VIRGINIA BEACH, UH, THE SHORE DRIVE, GREAT NECK ROAD AREA.

UM, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF PROJECT AS SHORE DRIVE, IF ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THAT AREA.

HAS, HAS DONE SIMILAR THINGS.

AND, UH, I ENJOYED IT, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE I MOVED UP HERE.

AND I'M GLAD TO SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS.

UM, I ALSO MOVE MY ENGINEERING COMPANY UP HERE, ENGINEERING CONCEPTS AS A DESIGN.

SO I'M AN ENGINEER BY TRADE AND SO I, I CAN SEE THIS PROJECT AS, UH, AND I AM A PATRON THERE.

I, I REALLY ENJOY GOING THERE, BUT OBJECTIVELY AS AN ENGINEER, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.

UM, IT'S NOT TOO OBTRUSIVE.

I SEE IT AS AN AUGMENTATION, NOT AN EXPANSION.

UM, AND LIKE SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE WATER STREET PROPERTIES ARE THERE.

AND I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT ONE UNIFORM, VERY NICE PLACE TO GO.

MY FAMILY ENJOYS COMING HERE.

WE FREQUENT THESE AREAS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THIS RESTAURANT, BUT THE OTHER ONES IN THE AREA.

UM, SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT AND LIKE LINDSAY SAID, I THINK IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT AND A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SAY.

UH, EUGENE LINK.

UH, MY NAME'S EUGENE LINK.

I LIVE AT ONE 15 AUGUST DRIVE.

UM, I CAME HERE TO SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE FOR THE PUB.

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THAT'S GOOD, THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, AGAIN, I REMIND THE, UH, THE BOARD THAT WE'VE GOT, THE R 23 DASH 1 64 AND 1 65 MR. ATTORNEY.

DO I NEED TO, DO I DO IT? DO I NEED TO RUN EACH RESOLUTIONS? I THINK YOU OUGHT TO VOTE SEPARATELY FOR EACH SOLUTION.

SEPARATELY SOLUTION, YES.

SO, WELL FIRST, OKAY, GO AHEAD.

WELL, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION HAS BEEN MADE ON, ON R ON R 23, UH, 1 64.

ANY COMMENTS BY THE BOARD REAL QUICK? UM, MARK, JUST A THOUGHT, UH, WE, WE TALK ABOUT NOISE ABATEMENT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT.

I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT ADDRESSED.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I JUST WANT US TO BE SENSITIVE TO IS THE STAIRS THAT LEAD DOWN, UP BACK AND FORTH TO CHURCH STREET DOES EMPTY ONTO BEEN FIXED RESIDENCE.

I THINK IT'S CHURCH STREET, RIGHT? THE STAIR DOES EMPTY INTO RESIDENTIAL AREA WITH HOUSES CLOSE TO THE ROAD.

I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT FOOT TRAFFIC THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T INTRUDE UPON OUR LOCAL RESIDENCES THERE.

I THINK IT'LL BE, I THINK IT'LL PROBABLY BE A NON-ISSUE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF.

WE DON'T WANT THAT TO BECOME A PROBLEM.

UM, AND I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THERE'S A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IT'S GONNA MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING DOWN THERE.

WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF, UH, THE KINDA FREE FOR WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE GRAVEL PARKING.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIGN OR LINE PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS GREAT.

UH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS AND APPEARANCE IMPROVEMENTS BY MOVING THE DUMPSTERS OUTTA THERE.

WE'RE GONNA ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, RESTAURANT FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO EAT AT IS GREAT.

AND TO KIND OF ECHO A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TOO, THE COLLABORATIVE AND PARTNERSHIP THAT THE MR. GRANGER AND HYDC AND THE LOCAL RESIDENTS GOT TOGETHER AND DID AN ITERATIVE PROCESS TO DEVELOP THIS TO SOMETHING THAT BY AND LARGE, A COMMUNITY LIKE CAN BE A MODEL FOR HOW DEVELOPMENT CAN HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE COUNTY.

AND I WANT ENCOURAGE COUNTY STAFF TO ALWAYS POINT BACK TO THIS ON NEW PROJECTS TO GO, HEY, THIS IS THE WAY IT CAN HAPPEN.

THIS IS A MODEL.

LET'S USE THIS FOR NEW STUFF GOING FORWARD.

SO I I, I APPLAUD EVERYBODY'S EFFORT WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING TO COMMON GROUND AND CONSISTS ON THIS.

SO, GREAT JOB WITH THAT.

OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANY MOTIONS BEEN MADE? THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 64 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

OKAY, WE, NEXT ONE IS A RESOLUTION 23 DASH 1 65.

WHO WANTS TO MOVE IT? I'LL MOVE THAT.

IT'S, UH, MOVED.

UH, COMMENTS? ANYBODY GOT A COMMENT? I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT.

I THINK IT'S A MUCH BETTER DESIGN THAN THE FIRST ONE, SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

VERY GOOD.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

MOTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 65 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

SO YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR PERMISSIONS AND, UH, WE WISH YOU THE BEST.

WE'LL ALL BE ANXIOUS TO EAT AT YOUR RESTAURANT, KEEPING YOU ABOVE AND THE PUB.

UM, MERRY CHRISTMAS.

NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO, LET'S SEE, UM, THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION.

IS, UH, THOMAS RUDOLPH HERE FROM, UH, WOODS TAP? OKAY, SIR.

THE, UM, YEAH, NO, YOU'RE COMING IN HERE TO REPRESENT THE, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE FOR MYSELF.

WELL, DON'T, DON'T, WE'RE NOT CALLING YOU TO SPEAK.

I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION THAT HAD BEEN PASSED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVIDENTLY CAUSED A LOT OF CONFUSION.

AND I GUESS THERE WAS SOME OTHER ACTORS OUTSIDE OF THAT TRYING TO PRECIPITATE SOME CONFUSION.

THAT ROAD UP THERE, THERE'S NO ROAD'S GONNA BE OPEN.

SO I JUST, I I JUST WANT, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME HERE.

'CAUSE YOU'RE ON THE, THAT ROAD CHAMPION PATH CHAMPIONS PATH WILL NOT BE OPEN GOOD.

IT WILL REMAIN IN A CUL-DE-SAC.

WE OWN IT.

WE OWN THE LAND.

WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT BACK IN THE ROAD SYSTEM.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY CONNECTION WITH LEGACY OF OCN.

BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES A LOT OF SAFETY TO THE MEMBERS OF OUR ASSOCIATION AND THAT'S WHY WE DID IT.

APPRECIATE THAT.

SO YOU CAN GO HOME NOW.

THAT WAS THAT SYCAMORE BALLOON.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

OH, THIS IS A BOUNDARY.

YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THAT ONE.

SO WE'RE GOING NOW INTO HEARING NUMBER SIX.

LEMME GET THIS ONE.

UH, WE'RE GOING INTO, LET'S SEE, WHICH THE NEXT ONE, PANDA EXPRESS.

UH, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE PANDA EXPRESS.

SO LET'S SEE.

I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY EVEN SIGNED UP FOR THAT ONE.

THIS NEXT ONE'S APPLICATION, UM,

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FOR A PANDA EXPRESS.

AND, UH, LET'S SEE, YOU'RE ON.

SO IT IS A USE PERMIT, UH, 1 0 2 4 DASH TWO THREE, WHICH IS FOR THE FAST FOOD, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW RESTAURANT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SE DASH 28 DASH 23, WHICH IS FOR, TO AUTHORIZE LAND AND DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE 45 FOOT GREEN BELT BUFFER.

THIS IS ALL AT 6 6 3 2 MOTOWN ROAD HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN THE RED.

UH, YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ZONING COMPLETELY AROUND.

THIS IS ALL EO ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND IS PART OF THE VILLAGE, UH, VICTORY VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, ON MOTOWN ROAD.

UM, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.

SO RIGHT THERE IN RED IS THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO GO, UM, TO THE NORTH.

UH, THOUGH THE PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW IT, THIS IS WHERE THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA CAR WASH IS AT.

UM, TO THE OTHER SIDE IS THE VICTORY VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER.

THEN SOUTH OF IT IS TWO VA OR A LARGE VACANT, UM, PARCEL OUT PARCEL FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.

AND THEN ACROSS MOTOWN ROAD IS, UH, SENTARA HOSPITAL.

INTERIOR.

UM, MR. ANDERSON? YES.

WHERE IS WALT ZUMBA'S LAW OFFICE ON THAT PICTURE? UH, HIS LAW OFFICE IS HERE ON THE CORNER, I BELIEVE, DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM.

UM, BACK INTO THAT GREEN BELT ON THIS ONE SIDE.

HE JUST SUPPORTS ME SO MUCH.

SO YES, YOU WOULD JUST GO DOWN.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

UM, SO THIS IS A PICTURE STANDING ON, UH, MOTOWN ROAD.

JUST LOOKING DOWN TOWARDS THE LIGHT WHERE THE TIDAL WAVE YOU WOULD TURN FOR THE TIDAL WAVE, THE HOME DEPOT THERE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE TREES OFF TO, UH, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

THESE WILL COME INTO, UH, CONSIDERATION LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

AND THEN I'M STANDING, UH, WITH TIDAL WAVE TO MY BACK.

AND THE GREENBELT BUFFER, UH, TREES ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH YOU CAN JUST KIND OF SEE BARELY.

BUT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE WHOLE LOT LOOKING BACK INTO THE VICTORY VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER THERE.

SO IN EO IT DOES REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.

AND THE BOARD HAS APPROVED MULTIPLE ONES UP IN THIS AREA.

BURGER KING, SONIC CHICK-FIL-A STARBUCKS, AND TACO BELL WAS THE LAST ONE.

UM, THIS IS THE SKETCH PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.

UM, IT IS ABOUT A, IT'S A 2,600 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, UM, HERE IN THE RED.

IT DOES HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, ON THAT THEY'RE SHOWING AND THEN PARKING, UM, AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WITH LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE PARKING AREA.

AND THEN THE, UH, GREEN BELT AREA IS RIGHT HERE, AND I'LL FOCUS ON THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

SO TRAFFIC, UH, FOR A 2,600 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IS ABOUT 1200 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.

86.

DURING THAT PM PEAK HOUR, 4:00 PM TO 6:00 PM UH, VDOT DID REVIEW THIS, UM, THE ANALYSIS BY THE APPLICANT AND THEY AGREED WITH THE 55% PASS BY RATE, WHICH BASICALLY JUST PUSHES UP THE TRAFFIC ABOUT 18 PEAK HOUR TRIPS WITH THIS NEW RESTAURANT.

SO BASICALLY, UH, THE, THE NEW RESTAURANT WOULD CREATE ABOUT 18 MORE TRIPS THAN ARE NOT USUAL IN THE FUTURE.

THE, UM, PROPOSED RESTAURANT WOULD HAVE DIRECT ACCESS, UM, ONLY FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER ENTRANCES.

SO THE, UH, ENTRYWAYS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THERE'S NO ACCESS TO DIRECTLY ON MOTOWN ROAD.

UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS DID LOOK AT THE OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, AND IT DID SEE WITH THIS NEW USE THAT THERE IS NO, UH, THE TRAFFIC GENERATED MEETS WHAT WAS IN THAT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH REQUIRED THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THE TURN LANES THAT ARE ALREADY ALL OUT THERE.

UM, AND ON SITE, UH, THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS IS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH IS THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 45 FOOT GREEN BELT.

UM, WHICH IS SHOWN AND HIGHLIGHTED HERE.

UH, THE GREEN BELT IS 45 FEET, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IN, UH, WHICH IS SHOWN THERE IN THE GREEN.

I JUST EXTENDED ALL THE WAY DOWN.

UH, THEY ARE LOOKING TO ENCROACH INTO A SMALL AREA THERE.

I'VE KIND OF PUSHED IT DOWN WHAT THEY ARE.

THE LITTLE XS ARE THE TREES THAT THEY WOULD BE REMOVING.

NOT ALL OF THOSE XS ARE IN THE GREEN BELT.

UM, I HIGHLIGHT THEM HERE IN RED FOR YOU.

UH, THEY ARE A TREE OF HEAVEN TREE, A JAPANESE ZELKOVA, A RED MAPLE TO SWEET GUMS, A TULIP POPLAR, AND TWO LOB LOLLY PINES.

MM-HMM, .

UM, THESE SIX TREES ARE ALL DECIDUOUS EXCEPT FOR THE LOB LOLLY PINES.

UH, THE TREE OF HEAVEN IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES TREE, SO IT SHOULD BE REMOVED ANYWAY.

AND THE LOB LOLLY PINES JUST GROW STRAIGHT UP AND DON'T REALLY CREATE ANY BUFFERING.

SO THERE'S NO BRANCHING ON THE GROUND.

SO THEY AREN'T VERY GOOD BUFFER TREE ANYWAY.

UM, SO REMOVING THEM REALLY IS NOT, UM, GONNA IMPACT IT TOO IN A, IN A MAJOR WAY.

OH, AND THERE WE GO.

THOSE ARE THE, THE TREASON RED ARE THE ONES THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTING.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT SOME RENDERINGS, KIND OF SHOWING THIS, UM, STAFF FELT THERE WAS KIND OF A HOLE RIGHT THERE BY THE SIGN.

SO WE HAVE PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO ADD TWO LITTLE EVERGREENS IN THERE THAT MAINTAINED THAT BRANCHING TO THE GROUND.

SO WHEN THEY REMOVE THOSE LOB LOLLIES, WE'LL PUT SOMETHING BACK IN THERE THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE,

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THE REST OF THE GREEN BELT IS, IS VERY HEAVILY VEGETATED.

UM, THESE ARE SOME OTHER LOOKS AT IT.

I DIDN'T PUT THE LITTLE LOB LOLLIES OR THE LITTLE, UH, EVERGREENS IN THERE ON THESE, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE.

, UH, THIS IS JUST A QUICK, UH, DRAWINGS OF THE RESTAURANT, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UM, HOW IT'LL LOOK FROM ALL SIDES.

THIS WAS THE DRIVE THROUGH SIDE.

SO AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, THIS IS A 1.1 ACRE SITE.

WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.

THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE CAN SUPPORT THIS ADDITIONAL USE.

UH, THERE'S MINIMAL CLEARING IN THE GREEN BELT AREA.

THEY'RE ONLY REMOVING DECIDUOUS TREES, WHICH REALLY DON'T PROVIDE A VERY GOOD GREEN BELT AREA.

UM, IN ADDITION, THEY'RE ADDED, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL LANDSCAPE CREDIT FOR THAT IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE 171 CREDITS.

THEIR TOTAL IS 392.

SO IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE, UH, WELL, NOT DOUBLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S OVER THE 171 FOR SURE.

UM, SO WE, UH, FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU COULD RECOMMEND APPROVE THOUGH OF THIS.

WE HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO RESOLUTIONS.

THE SUP RESOLUTION IS 23 DASH 1 58, AND THE ONE FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS 23 DASH 1 66.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS APPLICATION AND THEY, UH, VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE IT.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, AS REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, AND THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IN ADDITION, I WOULD BE ABLE, WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

ALSO, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MR. ANDERSON? YES.

WELL, BEHIND THE SIGN.

I KNOW IT KIND OF LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE IN FRONT OF IT, BUT BEHIND IT A LITTLE MORE, UH, BEHIND IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA INTERFERE.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY PEEVES.

, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PEOPLE COME INTO THE COUNTY AND YOU MAKE 'EM PUT SO MUCH GREEN A ROUTE THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE.

SO WOULD THIS INTERFERE WITH THE SIGN AND VIEWING THE SIGN FOR MOTOWN ROAD? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL INTERFERE WITH THE SIGN BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE LOB LOLLIES ARE CURRENTLY BACK ON THE SITE, UM, ALMOST AT THE 45 LIMIT FOOT LIMIT.

SO WHERE THEY TAKE THOSE LO LOLLIES OUT IS WHERE WE WOULD WANT THOSE TREES TO BE PLANTED.

GO FOR.

SO THE SIGN WOULD BE OUT NEAR THE ROAD.

AND THEY, THEY CAN, THEY, THE GREEN BELT ALLOWS FOR CLEARING AROUND THE SIGN.

THE SIGN COULD BE SEEN.

IT'S JUST THE GREEN BELT ITSELF SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THE ONLY ANYTHING, UH, NO, I'M FINE.

STEVE, THE, TELL ME AGAIN, THE, UH, PEAK PARK, UH, PEAK, UH, TRAFFIC FOR THE RESTAURANT.

80 WHAT? 86? IT WAS 86 AND SIX VEHICLE TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR.

SO BETWEEN THAT FOUR TO 6:00 PM RIGHT.

WILL THOSE TWO DRIVE-THROUGH LANES ACCOMMODATE THAT.

WE DON'T WANT THEM BACKING OUT INTO THE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE CASES.

I CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE VISITING PAN EXPRESS.

I'VE NEVER BEEN AT ONE THAT THAT WAS A PROBLEM.

BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT MAYBE ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WE'LL HEAR IT FROM THEM.

UM, AND IS THERE A PERFORMANCE STANDARD FOR THE RESTAURANT THAT IF IT SHOULD CEASE TO OPERATE AS A RESTAURANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, IT GETS RETURNED BACK TO ITS, UH, ORIGINAL STATE? OR WILL THE BUILDING STAND THERE? THE BUILDING WOULD STAND THERE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESTAURANT.

THOSE ARE USUALLY FOR OUR GAS STATIONS, CANOPIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, THAT PART OF MOORE TOWN ROAD IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAFFICKED ROAD.

THERE'S NO SUBDIVISIONS THERE WHERE RESIDENTS LIVE.

SO I SUSPECT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY KIND OF PUSHBACK FROM FOLKS THAT LIVE UP THERE OFF OF MOTOWN ROAD.

UM, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I MEAN, THE ARBORDALE SUBDIVISION IS THERE.

UM, BUT I, WE, WE HEARD, UM, WE DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE.

NOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS UP THERE.

UM, HAVE ANY OF THOSE PUSHBACK AT COUNTY? UH, NOT TO MY, I I'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION OR HAVE WE HAD ANY INFORMATION AS WHETHER OR NOT THOSE EXISTING RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, UM, HAVE HAD PROBLEMS STAYING AFLOAT.

UH, THEY, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

I, I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANY REASONS WHY THEY WOULD, THEY'RE HAVING ANY PROBLEMS WITH BUSINESS.

THEY ALL SEEM PRETTY ACTIVE.

UH, CAN YOU TAKE IT BACK TO THE, UH, THE ONE THAT SHOWED ALL THE NEW, THAT SHOWED THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, RESTAURANT? IT'S A, THIS ONE WORK? YEAH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

SO THIS PAST YEAR, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN TERMS OF OPENINGS UP THERE.

UM, IS, CAN YOU LIST ANY OF THE SHOW WHERE THE NEW BUILDINGS OR NEW OPENINGS MIGHT HAVE OCCURRED IN HERE? UM, SO NEW BUSINESSES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN.

SO THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA RIGHT HERE OPEN PROBABLY A YEAR AGO.

NOW, UM, THERE, I KNOW THE BIG LOTS BACKFILLED, THE CROS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WAS A RECENT ADDITION A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

UM, AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL LITTLE, UM, SPACES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF.

UM, I KNOW THE BURGER PHI IS HERE ON THE CORNER.

THAT, THAT

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UM, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER LITTLE SHOPS IN AND OUT THERE.

I THINK THE REGISTRAR'S OFFICE IS UP HERE ALSO IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER.

HOW ABOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER ABOVE IT? UH, SO THIS IS THE HOME DEPOT RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN, UH, YOU HAVE, UM, A BANK WHICH IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.

UH, YOU HAVE THE, I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT'S LIKE A KIDNEY DIALYSIS PLACE HERE.

AND THEN THE CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH YOU REVIEWED, UH, ANOTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR, I THINK IT WAS IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.

UH, THEY'RE RENOVATING AND I THINK THEY JUST OPENED LAST WEEK.

UM, AFTER THEIR RENOVATIONS FINISHED.

AND, UM, HOW CLOSE IS THE, THE SHOPPING AREA TO THE NEW FIRE STATION? SEVEN.

SO THIS WOULD BE MAYBE A MILE? WELL, NO, YEAH, ABOUT MAYBE A QUARTER OF A MILE OR NOT A QUARTER.

ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE AWAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE SHOPPING CENTERS, THIS IS ALL ZONED FOR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.

AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT, UH, UM, THE BUSINESS COMING BACK INTO THAT AREA.

UM, ANYWAY.

IT'S GREAT.

AND, UH, OKAY, GOOD.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, MR. TRENT, TIM TRENT, KAUFMAN, AND KANO.

AND REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATION TODAY, TIM , WHICH I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR A LOT OF STUFF.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE COM, UH, BOARD.

IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

MY NAME IS TIM TRAN, ATTORNEY WITH KAUFMAN KNOLLS, 48 0 1 COURTHOUSE STREET, SUITE 300, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA, FOR THE RECORD, UM, UH, LET ME JUST START BRIEFLY BY SAYING, I'S BEEN MY PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH MR. MORGAN, MR. ZUMBA, MR. GREEN, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I SAW MR. BARNETT, UH, DUCK OUT, UM, MR. ZUMBA, MR. BARNETT, FOR MOST OF MY CAREER.

AND, UM, THE COUNTY IS BETTER FOR YOUR SERVICE.

AND, AND THANK YOU FOR IT.

SO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE APPLICATION, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

I'LL IN, IN, UH, DEFERENCE TO YOUR AGENDA AND THE LENGTH OF IT.

I WILL NOT MAKE A PRESENTATION.

UM, I WILL SPEAK TO MR. R'S QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROJECT AND, AND, UH, AND, AND IT'S BACKING UP OR QUESTIONS IT'S BACKING UP ONTO, UH, POTENTIALLY INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

THE, UH, DOUBLE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PROVIDE OVERFLOW, UM, STORAGE FOR AND STACKING FOR, UM, FOR THOSE PEAK, PEAK PERIODS OF USE.

AND IT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE RESTAURANT THAT IT WOULD, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY ENVISION WHERE THOSE, UM, WHERE THE, THE STACKING IN THEIR DRIVE THROUGH WOULD BACK UP INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AS THEIR, THEIR EXPERIENCE AS A, AS AN OPERATOR.

AND WHILE THEY ARE EMERGING IN OUR MARKET, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED THEIR, UH, STORES, YOU KNOW, GROWING.

THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, THEY'RE FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, UH, BY THE CHURN FAMILY, STILL FAMILY OWNED OPENED THEIR FIRST ONE.

AND I BELIEVE I DO HAVE TO LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION, 1983.

SO, UM, THEY ARE, UM, A LONGSTANDING BUSINESS AND HAVE BEEN, BEEN AROUND AND SUCCESSFUL FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND, AND THEY PLAN TO BE HERE.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

SO, WALTER, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

ANY QUESTIONS? I'M GOOD, THANKS.

NO QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS.

LO LOCAL FAMILY FROM CALIFORNIA.

CALIFORNIA.

CALIFORNIA, SORRY.

NO, THEY ARE NOT LOCAL FROM CALIFORNIA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, IDEA HOW HOW MUCH TAX THIS KIND OF RESTAURANT OPENS OR PRESENTS TO THE COUNTY? I DON'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, I, THE ARCHITECT AND I WAS REMISS IN NOT INTRODUCING OUR ARCHITECT.

HENRY CLOVER IS HERE.

UH, AND ALSO OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, MIKE YOUNG.

UM, MR. CLOVER MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE, UH, THE OVERALL ESTIMATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE, UM, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU SOME SENSE OF THE REAL ESTATE TAX.

UH, HE, HE MAY NO, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT.

SO I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE DIDN'T HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING GENERATIONAL REVENUE.

UM, OKAY.

UM, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT, UH, THESE PANDA EXPRESS, WE HAVE ONE DOWN HERE IN, WE GOT ONE CREEK ALREADY.

IT'S PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

AND, UM, THEY'RE VERY CLEAN BUSINESS.

SO, UM, THE, UH, OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP.

I'M CLOSED TO PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UM, LET'S SEE, WE ARE LOOKING AT FIVE.

I GOT, UM, THEY HAPPY TO MOVE? YEAH, HANG ON.

THE FROZE RESOLUTION.

R 23 DASH ONE.

I THINK WE GOT TWO OF 'EM HERE, DON'T WE? THEY GOT WHAT ABOUT, UH, 23 1 58? YES.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, SEE IN NONE THE, THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 58 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

THEN WE GOT ALSO FOLLOWED BY 23 DASH 1 66.

THAT'S THE NEXT ONE.

OKAY, GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST MOTION ON R 23.

ONE 50 EIGHTS MOVED BY MS. KNOLL.

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SO WE NEED A MOTION ON R 23 DASH 1 66.

I MOVE R 23 1 66.

SO MOVED.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SEEING NONE? ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOEL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 1 66 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

MR. YES, MR. ZUMBA? YES.

TIM, YOUR, UH, CLIENT HAS HIS PERMISSION TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT THERE.

WELCOME TO YORK COUNTY IN THE UPPER PART.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND WE'LL GO NOW TO, UH, UM, PROPOSED RESOLUTION.

IT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE OF 'EM HERE.

IT'S, UH, R 22 OF 1 73, 1 72, AND 1 69 AS RELATED TO THE HISTORICAL TRIANGLE SPORTS FACILITY.

AND TO, UH, LOOK AT, UH, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD.

SO, WHO'S DOING OKAY? YOU GOT IT, BRIAN.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. MORGAN AND MR. BELLAMY.

I'M PREPARED TO GIVE YOU A REALLY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT AS WE HAD A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE DESIGN TEAM HERE, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.

UH, TO, FOR TONIGHT'S CONSIDERATION, YOU HAVE THREE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THE FIRST IS APPROVAL OF THE FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE THREE LOCALITIES.

THE SECOND IS A SUBSIDIARY AGREEMENT BETWEEN JIM CITY, COUNTY, AND YOUR COUNTY.

AND THE THIRD IS THE ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION OR ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION, IDENTIFYING SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

UH, OUR ATTORNEYS, UM, WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE LANGUAGE FROM THE THREE LOCALITIES DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T ALWAYS, IT WASN'T THE EXACT SAME IN EACH LOCALITY, SO THAT WE HAD TO GO AHEAD AND, AND CLEAR CLEAN THAT UP FOR THE, UH, BOND HEARING.

BUT THAT IS THE ONLY THING HERE.

EXCUSE ME.

THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM HERE TONIGHT THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS BEST IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO JUST ALLOW EVERYBODY TO COMMENT ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT AND GO AHEAD AND, AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR EVERYTHING.

BUT THE, THE APPROVAL OF THE LANGUAGE IS THE ONLY THING THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY, HERE'S A BRIEF TIMELINE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS PROJECT'S BEEN DISCUSSED FOR MANY YEARS, BEGINNING BACK IN 2014.

AND OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS, WE'VE REALLY HONED IN ON LOOKING AT WHAT THIS FACILITY WOULD BE AND THE TOURISM AMENITIES THAT IT WOULD HAVE ONE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE TO THIS PROJECT THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IN OTHER LOCALITIES.

A LOT OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE PRACTICED BUILD IT, AND THEY WILL COME, AND IN THIS AREA, THEY BUILD A FACILITY AND THEN THEY TRY TO MATCH THE AMENITIES THAT COME ALONG LATER, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, AND ALL THE OTHER ATTRACTIONS AND AMENITIES.

AND THEY TRY TO PLAY CATCH UP.

THIS AREA WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES, THE RESTAURANTS, AND THIS WILL REALLY, THIS FACILITY WILL SERVE AS AN ADDITIONAL AMENITY TO HELP DRIVE VISITORS TO THE AREA AS WELL AS EXTEND THEIR STAY.

A LOT OF TIMES WITH FACILITIES LIKE THIS, WITH THE SPORTS TOURISM, UH, INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WILL TACK ON A DAY EITHER BEFORE THE EVENT OR AFTER THE EVENT AND STAY.

UH, SO THAT'S REALLY A, A BIG DRIVER FOR ASSISTANCE WITH TOURISM.

AND ADDITIONALLY, UH, IT, IT BRINGS EXPOSURE TO THE AREA.

FOR THOSE ONES THAT DON'T STAY, THEY SEE WHAT ALL OUR AREA HAS.

AND THEN THEY, THEY DECIDE TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR THREE OR FOUR DAYS FOR A WEEKEND TO VISIT BUSCH GARDENS AND WATER COUNTRY AT COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.

SO IT'S REALLY A, AN AMENITY TO ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE, OR OTHER TOURISM ATTRACTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THE ORIGINAL SCOPE THAT WE HAD DESIGNED WAS 160,000 SQUARE FEET.

UH, WE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SCOPE.

THE AUTHORITY WENT BACK AFTER VISITING SEVERAL FACILITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SEEING WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCES ARE, WE DECIDED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 400,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND REALLY THAT WAS SOME ENTERTAINMENT SPACE, A NINJA WALL, ROCK CLIMBING WALL, UH, ENHANCED ARCHITECTS, AND THAT THAT ALLOWED THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME WITH THEIR FAMILIES TO GIVE THOSE KIDS SOMETHING TO DO WHILE THEIR YOUNGER SIBLING OR OLDER SIBLINGS PLAYING SPORTS.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE ROCK CLIMBING WALL AND NINJA WALL AND, AND BE ENTERTAINED.

AND IT'LL ALSO ALLOW THOSE AMENITIES TO BE USED BY THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

AND EVEN WHEN THERE'S TOURNAMENTS HERE, BRIEFLY HERE, THE, THE SITE IS ON THE COLONIAL, UM, WILLIAMSBURG SITE AS WE'VE TALKED, AND I'LL FLY THROUGH THESE REALLY

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QUICK JUST TO SHOW YOU.

HERE'S THE FRONT ENTRANCE, AS WE'VE SEEN OF THE FACILITY A LITTLE BIT UP CLOSE.

THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE FAVORITE AREAS CALLED THE PATIO, UH, WHICH WILL BE A REALLY NICE AREA FOR EVENTS, EITHER, UH, WHEN THEY'RE HERE, AND ALSO FOR RENTAL SPACE FOR LOCAL EVENTS AND BUSINESS MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

LAYOUT.

WE HAVE 12 FULL-SIZED BASKETBALL COURTS, WHICH COULD BE 24 VOLLEYBALL COURTS, OR 36 PICKLEBALL COURTS.

YOU'LL SEE THE OPEN AREA.

UH, ONE AREA THAT WE'VE ADDED AS, AS WE SAW THAT, UH, WHEN WE WENT AROUND AND VISITED OTHER PLACES, IS THE INDOOR TURF.

THAT'S A ROLLOUT TURF.

AND WE'LL BE PROBABLY THE ONLY FACILITY LIKE THIS ON THE EAST COAST THAT HAS THAT FACILITY.

UH, WHILE IT'LL INCREASE REVENUE FROM TOURISM EVENTS, IT'LL REALLY BE A BIG DRIVER FOR RECREATIONAL USE FOR THE THREE LOCALITIES DURING THE WEEK.

IT'LL PROVIDE AN INDOOR SPACE THAT THEY CAN DO THOSE ACTIVITIES WHEN THE WEATHER'S NOT NICE, AND THEY CAN GET OUT THERE AND USE IT.

AND THIS SYSTEM CAN CONVERT PROBABLY WITHIN LESS THAN AN HOUR.

YOU CAN PULL THIS TURF OUT.

SO HERE'S TWO SCENARIOS ON THE FUNDING AND A DRAFT OF THE PROJECTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE AUTHORITY STILL INTO FINAL STAGES OF FIGURING OUT HIRING A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

SO THE REASON THERE ARE TWO SCENARIOS THERE IS, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE BIG, THE SECOND LINE THERE, PROGRAMMING FEES.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER DIFFERENCE IS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THAT WEEKDAY PLAY.

IS IT GONNA BE CONTRACTED OUT THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR THE LOCAL PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA DO IT.

AND WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA END UP WITH SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE A ONE A THERE, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE A HYBRID OF BOTH OF THOSE.

SO PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS WHERE THE ACTUAL, UH, COST WILL BE.

HERE'S A LOOK AT THE, UH, CAPITAL COST.

AS WE CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE 53,122,000 WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ESTIMATES, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE TURF.

AND THE 400,000 SQUARE, OR THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET WE'RE UP TO 79,000,891.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE, UH, HE EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT, UM, INFLATIONARY COSTS DUE TO, TO UPDATED CONSTRUCTION COST.

REAL BRIEF, A TIMELINE OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD WHERE WE THINK WE CAN BE.

UH, WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT EVERYTHING GOES WELL WITH, UM, THE VOTES IN THE LOCALITIES THAT WE'LL BE OPEN IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026.

COINCIDES WITH SEVERAL BIG EVENTS IN YORKTOWN AND IN THE WAYNESBURG AREA OF THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

SO IT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE ASSET AND FACILITY TO HAVE OPEN PRIOR TO THAT, THE ORIGINAL AND, AND THE FUNDING COMMITMENT FROM THE LOCALITIES, UH, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, UH, HAS APPROVED.

AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA FINANCE THE CAPITAL COST OF THIS AND TAKE THE BOND OUT FOR THE FACILITY.

UH, AND THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT KIND OF SPELLS ALL OF THOSE THINGS OUT IN DETAIL.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE CAPITAL WILL BECOME FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT.

UM, AND THEN JAMES CITY, COUNTY, AND YOUR COUNTY HAVE AGREED TO, UH, WORK ON THE OPERA OR SPLIT THE OPERATING COST.

SO THE ORIGINAL YEAR OF THE INVESTMENT, THE FIRST YEAR, IF APPROVED, WOULD BE $400,000 FOR EACH LOCALITIES YEARS, TWO THROUGH FIVE WOULD BE $800,000 FOR EACH LOCALITY THAT'LL ALLOW US TO BUILD UP THE RESERVES.

ALSO HELP FUND THE FURNITURE FIXTURES AND ADDITIONS OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE FACILITY.

UH, AND THEN WHAT, THAT'LL ALSO GIVE US A BASELINE ON USAGE, AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHO'S ACTUALLY USING THE FACILITY, WHAT LOCAL USE IS BEING USED, AND THEN WE CAN TAILOR THE AGREEMENT, UH, AND, AND MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT ONCE THERE.

AND THEN THE PROJECTION IS BETWEEN 300 AND $800,000 AND IN DEFICIT FROM THE FACILITY FOR THE, THE REST OF THE TIME.

UM, AND I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE HERE, BUT HERE ARE SOME OF THE ANNUAL, UH, IMPACTS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE'LL SEE.

UH, 245 JOBS, 101.3 MILLION IN, IN INCREMENTAL SALES TAX.

42,000 ROOM NIGHTS AND $21 MILLION IN ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, FOR THE FACILITY.

THESE FACILITIES WILL OPERATE, UM, AT A DEFICIT.

UM, AS WE'VE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, WORK DONE BY VICTUS, WHO IS OUR, UH, FINANCIAL CONSULTANT FOR THE H-R-T-F-A.

UH, THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE PROJECTED TAXES, UH, COLLECTED HOTEL NIGHTS, ROOM NIGHTS, AND ALL OF THAT.

AND THEY ESTIMATE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT YORK COUNTY WILL GET ABOUT $335,000 PER YEAR.

THAT'S ESTIMATED FOR, FOR THAT.

AND THAT MONEY CAN GO DIRECTLY

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TO THE PAYMENT.

WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS THROUGH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER $200,000, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UM, GENERATED BY THAT.

APPROXIMATELY 13% OF THE COUNTY'S TAX TAX REVENUE CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO TOURISM ECONOMY RIGHT NOW.

SO THIS, THIS FEATURE WILL BE, UH, HEAVILY, UH, BE ABLE TO, WE FEEL MOST LIKELY ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE PAYMENT BE CAN, WILL COME FROM THE TOURISM TAXES THAT WE RECEIVE.

SO, UM, THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AUTHORITY HAS RECOMMENDED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE FACILITY.

THEY BELIEVE IT'S FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.

WE'LL HAVE A POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT IN ALL THREE LOCALITIES.

WE'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

UH, JAMES CITY COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS APPROVED, THIS CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG HAS APPROVED THIS.

UH, SO IT, IT, WE ARE THE LAST, UH, FACILITY OR ORGANIZATION THAT NEEDS TO APPROVE THIS FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.

UH, ONE THING THAT'S COME ABOUT ALSO WITH THIS, UH, WORKING ON THIS AGREEMENT IS THAT YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THE JAMES CITY COUNTY RECREATION CENTER AT THE SAME COST AS RESIDENTS OF JAMES CITY COUNTY.

NOW, CURRENTLY, WE PAY A NON-RESIDENT RATE, AS WELL AS THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG HAS AGREED TO ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE THE WALLER MILL DOG PARK, UH, OR THE WALLER MILL PARK AT, AT THE, AT THE RESIDENT RATE VERSUS THE NON-RESIDENT RATE.

SO THAT'LL REALLY BE A, A NICE ASSET FOR OUR RECREATION, OUR FACILITIES, UH, FOR THOSE CITIZENS TO PAY THOSE RATES.

AGAIN, REALLY, I KNOW I'VE GONE REALLY QUICK, BUT THE THREE, THREE ITEMS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE APPROVAL OF THE THREE PARTY FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN WILLIAMSBURG YORK COUNTY AND JAMES CITY COUNTY.

THE APPROVAL OF THE SUBSIDIARY AGREEMENT WITH JAMES CITY COUNTY AND, UH, WILLIAMS, OR JAMES CITY COUNTY IN YORK COUNTY.

AND THEN THE ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION WITH THE, UM, CORRECT AND IDENTICAL LANGUAGE THAT, AND THAT IS THE PIECE THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WE HAVE MANY MEMBERS OF THE TEAM HERE, UH, AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

LET'S START.

WALT GOT QUESTIONS.

UH, A COUPLE OF THEM.

UM, WHO OWNS IT? WHO OWNS THE BUILDING? UH, THE, THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, THE AUTHORITY WILL OWN THE BUILDING.

IT'S YOUR COUNTY THOUGH THAT THE PHYSICAL PLANT IS LOCATED, RIGHT? NO, IT'S IN CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG.

IT'S ON COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG PROPERTY.

IT IS.

BUT THE AUTHORITY WILL OWN THE BUILDING.

AND THAT'S ON PROPERTY ALSO OWNED OR USED BY CW? IT'S, WE HAVE THE, THE AUTHORITY HAS A LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE PROPERTY WITH COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.

SO THE CALCULATION I DID, UH, EARLIER TODAY WAS WE'RE, WE'RE COMMITTED, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE COMMITTED TO ABOUT AN 1800 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR COST FOR 40 YEARS, 30 YEARS.

JUST 30 MM-HMM.

JUST 30.

UM, WHAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE, OR, OR, OR NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS TO VOTE FOR? ANY, ANY SPECIFIC THEME OF WHY THEY VOTED FOR IT? WELL, I, I THINK A COUPLE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ASSET AND THE PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL TOURIST AMENITY IN THE FACIL IN THE AREA.

ANOTHER DRIVER, IF YOU WILL, YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN YOUR TOURISM ATTRACTIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, OR IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUSCH GARDENS ADD RIDES EVERY YEAR.

WATER COUNTRY'S ALWAYS LOOKING ADD, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO ADD TO THAT FACILITY.

AND ALSO THE NEED FOR PUBLIC RECREATIONAL SPACE DURING THE WEEK FOR LOCAL PROGRAMMING.

UH, BOTH CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND YORK COUNTY ALL PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS IN THE UPPER COUNTY, KIND OF, EACH DEPARTMENT DOES DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, BUT WE ALL TREAT THE KIND OF THE PARTICIPANTS THE SAME.

UH, BUT WE'RE OUTTA SPACE UP THERE.

SO WE NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE, UH, FOR LOCAL PROGRAMMING DURING THE WEEK.

AND SO I'M A CITIZEN WHO LIVES IN THE UPPER COUNTY.

IS THERE, UM, PART OF THE, THE DEAL WHERE I, A CITIZEN OR I AND MY FAMILY CAN COME DOWN THERE AND USE THIS, THE SPORTS, UH, FACILITY OR THAT WORKING OUT AND PLAYING TENNIS AND DOING ALL STUFF THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WITH THE FINE DETAILS WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.

BUT IN ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IS THAT IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF SPACE AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL RECREATIONAL USE DURING THE WEEK.

THANKS SIR.

NO NEW QUESTIONS, BUT I DO NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON ONE SLIDE.

YOU SHOWED EARLIER YOU WERE SHOWING THE ANNUAL PROJECTED TAX REVENUE.

I FORGET WHICH SLIDE NUMBER THAT WAS.

I THINK THAT ONE'S THERE.

SO I CAN'T REMEMBER.

WE'RE PROJECTING THAT YORK COUNTY WILL SEE 300 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ANNUAL TAX REVENUE.

CORRECT.

THIS MAINLY, THIS IS ALL FROM TOURISM, PEOPLE COMING IN, EATING IN OUR RESTAURANTS AND STAYING AT OUR HOTELS AND SHOPPING AT OUR STORES, RIGHT?

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THE FIVE TAXES THAT ARE LISTED, THE LOCAL SALES TAX, THIS IS DIRECT TAX.

THIS IS DIRECT TAX.

WE'LL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, IT'S NOT THE INDIRECT, IT'S COMPARED TO THE INDIRECT, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT WELL PROJECTED.

IT'S ABOUT 240,000 ADDED TO THAT.

ALRIGHT, SO BREAK IT DOWN, WHICH GIVES US, THAT'LL GIVE, SO THE DIRECT TAX 335,000 AND INDIRECT IS 240,000.

UM, AND WHICH GIVES YOU 575,000 FROM JUST YOUR COUNTY.

THE INDIRECT IS THE CALCULATION, EXCUSE ME, BRIAN.

NO, FOR, 'CAUSE WE, WE WENT OVER THIS WITH, UH, GREG GILLETTE IN FINANCE IN SOME DETAIL.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE VITUS CALCULATIONS, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST COUNTING THE FIRST ITERATION.

SOMEBODY COMES, DOES SOMETHING, STAYS IN A HOTEL, GOES OUT TO EAT, BUT THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF OUR TAX BASE THAT 13% OF OUR GENERAL FUND TAX BASE THAT AREN'T PART OF THOSE FIVE, LIKE DEPO BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE.

AND SO IT IS OUR CALCULATION THAT THAT INDIRECTLY FLOWS THROUGH THOSE, THROUGH THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT.

IN YORK COUNTY'S CASE, THAT'S ANOTHER 200,000 PLUS OF NET NEW REVENUE ANNUAL.

SO THINGS LIKE THOSE TAXES GROW AS WE GET MORE TOURISTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A HOTEL, YOU MIGHT SPEND MORE, UH, ON, UH, BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY, YOUR B POLE WILL GO UP BECAUSE MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALRIGHT? BUT WE'RE STILL, WE'RE ANYWHERE FROM COMMITTED TO $300,000 MINIMUM TO $800,000 MAXIMUM OF, OF, UH, AIR CONTRIBUTION TO, TO PAY FOR OPERATIONAL COSTS.

SO EVEN AT 500 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS, WE COULD STILL COULD BE $250,000 SHORT IN THE RED EVERY YEAR IF WE'RE PAYING $800,000 OUT FOR OUR PORTION OF THE, UH, OPERATIONAL COSTS.

SO, UM, SO I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW THE TOURISM TAX DOLLARS WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THIS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE.

WE CAN SAY THAT EVERY YEAR.

WELL, YOU, WE CAN'T SAY THAT EVERY YEAR.

NO.

UM, AND ALSO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE CALCULUS OF, OF USING, OF, OF USAGE.

SO THERE MAY BE A SHIFT BETWEEN JIM, CITY COUNTY AND YORK COUNTY AND THE OPERATING AGREEMENT BASED ON THE USAGE THAT, THAT, THAT NUMBER MAY GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND THOSE PERCENTAGES, UM, THE NUMBER FOR US, FOR THE NUMBER FOR US BASED ON, BASED ON USAGE, ALL WE KNOW IS OUTTA THE GATE.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

SO, RIGHT.

BUT THIS, REMEMBER THIS IS THE CONTRIBUTION FROM THE ESTIMATE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE TOURISM TAX, RIGHT.

UH, WE SPEND A LOT OF GENERAL FUND MONEY ON A LOT OF FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, THIS IS ONE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST TO HAVE A WORLD CLASS FACILITY THAT'S GENERATING POSITIVE OR OR GENERATING MOST OF ITS COST, IF NOT ALL.

UH, AND THERE WILL BE INCENTIVES FOR THE, THE DESIGN OR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BRING AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THOSE INCENTIVES BE? WELL, WE HAVE TO WORK THOSE CONTRACTS OUT.

WE HAVEN'T SELECTED A CON A MANAGEMENT FIRM YET, BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS IN THERE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SET UP THE CONTRACT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW THEY OPERATE IT.

BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IF WE'RE GONNA GUARANTEE THE, THESE OPERATIONAL FUNDS, THERE'S NOT MUCH INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO BECOME PROFITABLE.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE GETTING THE MONEY, WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO PERFORM BETTER? SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN I HAVE.

I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT'S A BIG CONCERN I HAVE.

SO, OKAY.

WALT, YOU GOT ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, I FORGOT TO ASK YOU, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS, RIGHT? UH, ARE WE CONSIDERING TONIGHT'S MEETING THE PUBLIC HEARING? MM-HMM.

, UH, SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION AS WHETHER THEY WANT THE COUNTY TO BE PART OF IT OR NOT? WELL, THE, THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING IS ONLY FOR CORRECTING THE, UM, THE AUTHORITIES, HOW IT WAS SET UP IN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION.

BUT WE ALLOWED THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.

BUT YES, THIS WOULD BE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM.

IT'S COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF A PUBLIC HEARING, QUITE FRANKLY.

WHY DON'T WE, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER TWO YEARS.

UM, I KNOW YOU, YOUR STAFF HAVE BEEN, AND YOU'VE BEEN AN ADMIRAL JOB, BUT MY POINT IS, WE GOT, WE'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT THERE PAYING THE TAXES FOR THIS COUNTY THAT IF THERE WERE THE PUBLIC, AND FOR SOME REASON WE DO A LOT OF STUFF THAT DOESN'T GET THEM INVOLVED OTHER THAN MAYBE TONIGHT ARE WE, AND THE AGENDA'S BEEN OUT FOR ABOUT A WEEK.

I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THIS, LIKE WE SAID, FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS.

NO, THE COUNTY, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT THERE.

THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE ARTICLES IN THE NEWSPAPER.

THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN SIX OR SEVEN IN THE LAST MONTH ABOUT THIS.

I GUESS I DIDN'T TOO MUCH READING.

IT'S, I MISSING THE ARTICLES.

IT'S BEEN, I'M SORRY.

GONNA BE USED KIND OF LIKE SEED MONEY TO SEED MONEY TO, UH, TO GET THE STUFF WE NEED GOING.

JUST REAL QUICK, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE BOARD'S AWARE THIS AND KIND OF COME TO YOUR QUE COME TO YOUR, UM, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, AND, AND I'LL MAKE SURE IN FULL, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, THE FIRST YEAR OF THIS, WHEN THEY START BUILDING IT, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR ABOUT $400,000, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

CORRECT.

AND THAT MONEY'S

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ALRIGHT? THEN THE NEXT YEAR, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RANGE HERE.

WE'RE GONNA PAY 800,000 FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

800,000.

OKAY? MM-HMM.

AND THAT, UH, SO, SO WHAT'S COVERING THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE LIKE $2 MILLION SITTING IN OUR TOURIST FUND.

IT'S ALREADY THERE JUST WAITING THAT, THAT WILL FUND THIS, THIS, THIS EXPENDITURE.

ALRIGHT? THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S GONNA BE A FUNCTION OF HOW, HOW SUCCESSFUL THE OPERATION IS.

NOW YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WALT ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT THE WHAT ARE THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS LOOKING AT HERE? AND, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, I HAVEN'T STRUGGLED WITH IT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION.

AND IT'S, AND ALL THREE OF 'EM HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT THIS IS.

UH, UH, TO ME, JAMES CITY COUNTY, UH, MY VIEW, THIS IS MY VIEW, AND MAY THEY PROBABLY MAYBE SAY SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IS THAT HERE THEY'RE GETTING AN OPPORTUNITY UP THERE TO HAVE A, A, A REALLY NICE PARK FACILITY.

, IF NOTHING ELSE, THEY GOTTA, I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WHICH WE DID, WE PAID $19 MILLION FOR THE MAC AS A PRIME EXAMPLE, WE BUY OUR LIBRARIES, YOU KNOW, WALT, WE PAY INTO THE LIBRARY UP THERE.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD JUST AS A GOVERNMENT, UH, THINK YOUR, YOUR CITIZENS WOULD WANT.

AND SO, FROM, FROM, I'D SAY THAT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WITH WHAT JBC COUNTY LOOKS AT THIS AS AN IDEAL SITUATION, THEY'RE GETTING A NICE FACILITY.

WILLIAMSBURG LOOKS AT IT, UH, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE TALK ABOUT THE $51 MILLION, UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE TWISTED BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA FUND THAT WHOLE BONDING IS GONNA BE FOR $80 MILLION.

AND IT'S ALL GONNA BE BASICALLY ON WILLIAMSBURG'S BACK.

OKAY? THEY, THEY'RE FUNDING THE $80 MILLION.

NOW YOU CONSIDER IT $80 MILLION FOR ONE.

IT'D BE LIKE ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS.

IT'S LIKE IF WALT'S DISTRICT UP THERE DECIDED IF THEY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA FUND AN $80 MILLION PROJECT.

NOW THEY CAN DO THIS BECAUSE, AND THEY ALSO HAVE LOW TOURISM.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS, AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO DO BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO GENERATE THE TOURISM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND THIS FOR THEM, WE GENERATE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOURISM.

AND IT ALSO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, UH, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE HOTELS AND STUFF THAT THEY HAVE, OKAY, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THEM.

NOW, FOR US UP HERE, THERE'S KIND OF A TWO PART TO THIS, IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THE NEW RESTAURANTS, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, THE NEW HOTELS.

NEW HOTELS.

WELL, YEAH, PROBABLY, PROBABLY.

WE GOT TO KNOW, WE GOT A LOT, WE GOT A BUNCH OF HOTELS UP THERE.

WE GOT MORE THAN I THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE HAVE TOGETHER.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT THAT'S ALSO GONNA DO IS GENERATE, THAT'S GONNA BE SORT OF THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE THE INDIRECT OR DIRECT COST DEAL, BUT IT'S GONNA GENERATE THOSE THINGS.

AND THEN IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 13%.

I MEAN, ONE, ONE OF YOUR, YOUR PAPERS CAME OUT, TALKED ABOUT 14%.

IF YOU THINK OF $175 MILLION BUDGET, THE 14%, UH, THAT I HAVE OF THE REVENUE FROM THAT IS 23.

ABOUT $23 MILLION.

THAT'S PART OF OUR OPERATION COST.

THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT TOURISM'S DOING.

SO THESE ARE KIND OF NUMBERS THAT, TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE IS IT'S JUST GONNA PAY FOR ITSELF.

I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT.

AND I'M NOT GONNA SIT THERE AND GO, YEAH, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA FUND IT.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY SET ASIDE BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE'RE DOING THE $2 MILLION TO COVER THE INITIAL COST, AND THEN BASED UPON THE EXISTING FIGURES, AND AS THINGS CONTINUE TO GROW IT, IT APPEARS THAT IF WE HAVE TO SUPPLEMENT THIS, IT WON'T BE BY MUCH.

MR. WON'T BE MUCH.

MR. MR. COULD I MAKE ONE POINT TO, TO MR. RUN'S QUESTION? JUST, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

SO OUR TOURISM FUND GENERATES OTHER MONEY.

AND WHO'S THAT? SINCE COVID? IT HAS OPERATED AT ABOUT A $500,000 A YEAR SURPLUS.

SO THAT FUND, THAT TWO AND A HALF MILLION THAT TOM'S TALKING ABOUT HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO IF YOU TAKE THE MIDPOINT OF OUR ESTIMATE OF NEW MONEY, LET'S SAY 450,000 A YEAR, UH, AND WE EVEN CONTINUE TO HAVE A REASONABLY GOOD PERFORMANCE WITH THE EXISTING TOURISM FUND, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THE FULL COST OF OUR SUBSIDY WITHOUT EVER TOUCHING.

THE, THE REASON I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW YOUR CONCERN WAS THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN PART, OUR TOURISM MONEY IS PAYING FOR STUFF RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE WANT THE, UH, HISTORICAL TRIANGLE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED NOW, BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT IT TO GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO PAY FOR ITSELF.

ONCE WE, WE PAY OFF A MILLION DOLLARS OR WE PAY OFF A LOAN ON SOMETHING, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT BREAKS FREE.

EXACTLY.

NOW THAT YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT $23 MILLION, OR THE PARDON, THE TOURISM FUND IS NOT STAGNANT.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE,

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I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THERE'S TWO NEW HOTELS IN THE SOUTH COUNTY THAT PROBABLY DON'T REALLY PLAY IN THIS PROJECT, BUT 60% OF THE LODGING TAX GOES TO THE TOURISM FUND AND IT HAS TO GO TO THE TOURISM FUND.

IT HAS TO GO TO THE TOURISM FUND AS AN EXAMPLE.

SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE QUESTION.

SO I HAVE QUESTION FOR MR. MORGAN.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

I, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY IS THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE $1 WORTH OF PEOPLE'S TAX MONEY IN THIS INVESTMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALL GONNA BE GENERATED BY PEOPLE COMING HERE IE CALLED TOURISTS.

I WOULD SAY THERE'S A PROBABLY AT LEAST A 75% CHANCE THAT NO GENERAL TAX DOLLARS WILL EVER HAVE TO BE SPENT.

CAN I SAY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS.

UM, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT CAN BE COVERED BY THE TOURISM FUND AND PAID FOR BY LODGING TAXES.

THE TOURIST FUND, 60% OF THE LODGING TAX BY STATE LAW HAS TO BE SPENT ON TOURISM PROMOTION.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE KEEP THE CITIZENS OUT OF DECISION MAKING BY THIS BOARD.

THIS IS OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TOPIC.

WE SPENT IT FOR TWO HOURS ON THE WORK SESSION.

HEY, LET'S NOT, I DON'T WANNA HAVE A FIGHT OVER THIS.

WE'LL CALL IN PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAD A BOARD'S MEETING IT, AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAD A, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.

I SEE THE, UH, CITY MANAGER FOR WILLIAMSBURG HERE, AND, UH, THERE WAS ONE OF OUR CAST OF CHARACTERS HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT JUNK BONDS WOULD BE FLOATED, UH, FOR THIS.

IF HE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD BE FINANCED AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE LOCALITIES TO COME TOGETHER AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

IT MIGHT, UH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE CASTING CHARACTERS HAD TO SAY.

BUT ANYWAY, IF YOU COULD TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, CITY MANAGER VETE, IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE FINANCED AND THERE WAS AN ACCUSATION, THERE'D BE JUNK BONDS FLOATED OR THINGS LIKE THAT, SO.

SURE.

UM, UH, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, I'M ANDREW TRIVETT.

I'M THE CITY MANAGER IN WAYNESBURG.

I ALSO SERVE AS THE CHAIR OF THE H-T-R-F-A.

UM, SO THE FINANCING FOR THIS PROJECT IS YET UNCERTAIN BECAUSE THIS STEP AS IS THE STEPS TAKEN BY THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY COUNTY, WERE NECESSARY FOR US FOR THE HTR FA TO ENTER INTO ANY REAL FINANCIAL PLANNING.

UM, BUT WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS ISSUING BONDS AS THE HT R EFFECT.

NONE OF THE THREE LOCALITIES WILL BE ISSUING BONDS THEMSELVES.

THE HTRA WILL ISSUE THE BONDS, BUT THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG'S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT BY WAY OF A MORAL OBLIGATION.

WE PLEDGE TO THE BOND OF DEBT, WHICH MEANS THE HT RA WILL ENJOY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROTECTIONS TO THE DEBT.

NUMBER ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WE RARELY TALK ABOUT AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

IT'S CALLED THE STATEWIDE INTERCEPT PROVISION.

UM, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA IS ONE OF THE FEW STATES THAT OFFERS THIS.

AND ULTIMATELY THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEBT THAT GOES UNFUNDED.

UM, SECONDLY IS THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG HAS THE HIGHEST CREDIT RATING AVAILABLE TO ANY TYPE OF JURISDICTION OF ITS SIZE.

BOTH, UH, TRIPLE A, UH, AND DOUBLE A MINOR DOUBLE A PLUS BY THE TWO RATING AGENCIES THAT WERE RATED BY, WHICH MEANS THE HT FA DEBT WILL BE FUNDED WITH THAT CREDIT RATING.

SO NO, THEY WILL NOT BE JUNK BONDS.

SO THE HYPER BOWL ABOUT, OH MY GOSH, THIS IS GONNA END UP WITH A LOT OF JUNK BONDS AND ALL THE WORLD'S COMING TO AN END.

NO, SIR.

I MEAN, IF, IF THEY WERE LISTED AS JUNK BONDS, THEY WOULDN'T BE FUNDED.

RIGHT? UH, NOBODY WOULD BID ON THE DEBT.

UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY WILL PLEDGE.

ITS ITS MORAL OBLIGATION TO THAT DAY.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, RIGHT, THAT WE STUDY THESE AND MAKE, AND NOT NECESSARILY LISTEN TO ALL THE, THE PEOPLE SCREAMING AND HOLLERING ABOUT STUFF THEY DON'T SEEM TO EVIDENTLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

UH, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

KEILA? NO.

I FIND THAT ANSWERED A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE STAFF? OKAY.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD THEN AT THIS POINT AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UM, IT'S, ALTHOUGH WE ONLY NEED ONE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON ALL THREE HOPE RESOLUTIONS.

OKAY? SO THE FIRST RESOLUTION, UH, IS R 23 1 73.

BRIAN, DON'T RUNOFF.

'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE IN A, IN A VERY SUCCINCT MANNER.

COME ON, STAND UP THERE, MA'AM.

ONE, A VERY SUCCINCT MANNER, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT IS ONE, SAY R 23? 1 73? WHO'S GONNA ANSWER? MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ALL THREE.

HAVING ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON ALL THREE.

ON, ON THE, OKAY, THEN I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

WHERE NOW? ALL THANK YOU, MR. ATTORNEY.

MR. I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC.

SO AGAIN, THIS, I NEED A MOTION FOR THE THREE RESOLUTIONS.

YOU, YOU, YOU VOTE ON 'EM SEPARATELY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE, BUT YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.

WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

STOP.

OKAY, LET'S DON'T MAKE THIS ANY MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT HAS TO BE.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE R 23 1 73.

OKAY?

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THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.

I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT THE FIRST ONE BE 23 DASH 1 69, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION TO RECONSTITUTE THE, OKAY.

AND THAT IS THAT THE RECONSTITUTE AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT THAT ONE BECOMES MOOT IF THE OTHER TWO DON'T PASS.

SO YOU NEED TO NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE OTHER TWO.

SO OUR INTENT, SIR, IS THAT, THAT WE JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET ANYBODY THAT CARES TO SPEAK SPEAK ON THE PROJECT.

I, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO IMAGINE ANYBODY CARES ABOUT THE OBSCURE CHANGING A COUPLE WORDS ON THE ORGANIZING DOCUMENT TO LET 'EM TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT THE, AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU CONSIDER, OKAY.

I WELL, LET'S GO TO JUST GO TO END TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UM, YEAH, FIRST ONE I'LL HAVE IS TOM LYONS.

I SAW YOU BACK THERE.

YOU'RE ANXIOUS TO GET HIM SPEAK.

I THOUGHT Y'ALL WERE GETTING READY TO VOTE WITHOUT, UH, DOING WELL.

WE, BUT I, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE BACK ON TRACK.

CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS TROY LYONS AND I RESIDE AT TWO 16 BRIGADE DRIVE IN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

AND I'M OPPOSED TO ANY FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND I'M GONNA EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY I'M GONNA TAKE YOU ON A TRIP.

UH, BACK IN TIME TO 19 94, 19 95 TIMEFRAME, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE DURHAM BULLS, UH, MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAM WAS LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME.

OH, YES.

I, AND THEY HAD SELECTED YOUR COUNTY AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION.

THERE WAS PROPERTY LOCATED ADJACENT TO WHERE THE MARQUEE SHOPPING CENTER IS, AND WATER COUNTRY, USA FOR THE FUNDING OF A BALLPARK.

A REGIONAL ENTITY WAS PUT TOGETHER TO STUDY THE FEASIBILITY OF BRINGING THE DURHAM BULLS TO YORK COUNTY.

THAT INVOLVED GLOUCESTER COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG, NEW NEWPORT NEWS, AND HAMPTON AND YORK COUNTY, THE AUTHORITY WENT OUT AND ASKED CITIZENS, ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO BUY SEASON TICKETS IF WE BRING THIS TEAM HERE? I, AS WELL AS SEVERAL HUNDRED OTHER COUNTY RESIDENTS, WILLIAMSBURG RESIDENTS IN JAMES CITY, RESIDENTS, COMMITTED AND WROTE OUR CHECKS FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS COMMITTING TO BUYING THE SEASON TICKETS WHEN IT CAME UP FOR A VOTE AMONGST OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS.

AND I THINK YORK COUNTY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, REGIONALLY IN, YOU KNOW, ASSISTING ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.

BUT WHEN IT CAME UP FOR A VOTE, GLOUCESTER VOTED NO.

WILLIAMSBURG VOTED NO.

JAMES CITY VOTED NO.

SO HAMPTON AND NEW NEWPORT NEWS SAID, WELL, THE OTHER ONES AREN'T DOING IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.

IN TURN, THE DURHAM BULLS SAID, SORRY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM THE LOCALITIES FOR US.

WE'RE GONNA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO WE LOST OUR OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD DRIVE TOURISM HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

REMEMBER, UH, I WILL GIVE YOU A SUGGESTION.

UH, I'M NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, BUT I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE WATERFRONT FOR THE CRUISE LINES.

HOW ABOUT PROPOSING TO WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY THAT THEY EACH FUND A THIRD OF IT SINCE THAT CRUISE TRAFFIC IS GONNA GENERATE BUSINESS FOR WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMESTOWN.

UH, MR. LYONS, APPRECIATE YOU.

DEPUTY LYONS, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU WITH YOUR BEARD, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OKAY, NEIL, UH, CHOLEY, WELCOME.

HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING? MY NAME'S NEIL CHOLEY, CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MR. MORGAN, I WANT TO THANK YOU.

I'M GONNA KEEP THIS REAL, REAL SHORT.

I DO THINK THE ANSWER OF TRANSPARENCY HAS BEEN ANSWERED HERE.

I THINK THE NEEDS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED SOMEWHAT, AND I THINK THE FACTS ARE ALL VERY CLEAR TO EVERYBODY AND HAVE BEEN FOR SOME TIME.

I STARTED WITH THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2016 WITH THE HOTEL MOTEL ASSOCIATION.

I CURRENTLY AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOTEL MOTEL ASSOCIATION IN WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.

IT'S NOT AN EASY BUSINESS.

UH, I BELONG TO A GROUP THAT ACTUALLY INVESTED QUITE A BIT IN YORK COUNTY, AND WE ENDED UP BULLDOZING ONE OF THE NICEST HOTELS I THOUGHT IN WILLIAMSBURG WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AS A KID TO MAKE IT AS PROFITABLE AS AFFORDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT DID NOT MAKE MONEY AS A HOTEL.

WE NEED TO GENERATE A NEW TRAFFIC DRIVER, PLEASE.

THE OTHER THING, I'LL TALK TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL AND AS A PARENT, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE BEEN FOR MY FIVE CHILDREN IN THE 51 YEARS I'VE SPENT IN THIS AREA TO HAVE A WORLD CLASS CENTER? MM-HMM.

FOR THEM TO COMPETE.

ALL WE'RE ASKING HERE IS TO DO WHAT, OH, ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO PARTICIPATE IN A WORLD CLASS CENTER IN OUR BACKYARD THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN HAVE A PART OF.

I ASK THAT WE STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, AND WE START DOING WHAT WE CAN DO, AND THAT'S PAST THIS RESOLUTION.

OH, AND, UH, LET'S SEE.

LOOKS LIKE PETER LEMAN.

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WELCOME, GOOD EVENING.

I'M PETER LIMAN, 2 0 4 MARBLE RUN, UH, UP AT THE, UH, TIP OF YORK COUNTY.

UH, I'M SPEAKING AGAINST THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT.

UM, I'VE READ THROUGH THE MATERIALS THAT WERE, UH, AVAILABLE ON THE AGENDA ONLINE, AND I JUST CAN'T FIND MYSELF, UH, CONFIDENT ENOUGH IN WHAT I READ TO SAY, GO AHEAD WITH IT.

UM, I, I SEE A LOT OF SHOULDS, A LOT OF COULDS, A LOT OF PROBABLY, AND A LOT OF, I BELIEVE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF RISK.

NOW, RISK OBVIOUSLY IS AN IMPORTANT THING IN ANY VENTURE, BUT, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO WEIGH, IS THIS A RISK THAT, UH, YOUR COUNTY REALLY WANTS TO, TO ASSUME? UM, THE PROJECT IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA TAKE PLACE IN WILLIAMSBURG, WHICH IS, UH, GOOD FOR THE TOWN, BUT, UH, YORK COUNTY'S, UM, BULK IS WELL SOUTH OF TOWN, AND I JUST CAN'T, UH, FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT, UH, SOMEBODY LIVING AT THE SOUTH END OF YORK COUNTY IS GONNA SAY, HEY, LET'S HEAD ON UP TO WILLIAMSBURG AND, UH, DO SOME STUFF THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE PUSHED IT THROUGH ALREADY.

UH, YES, IT'S TRUE.

WILLIAMSBURG UH, VOTED IT THROUGH.

JAMES CITY VOTED IT THROUGH, UH, NOT WITHOUT SOME, UH, DISSENSION.

UH, IF YOU FOLLOWED THE PAPER, UH, MR. EISENHOWER, UM, TRIED TO STOP IT.

BUT, UH, IN THE SPACE OF TWO WEEKS, IT BLEW THROUGH LIKE A SUMMER BREEZE, AND I'D HATE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE.

UM, I THINK WE ARE THE LAST CHANCE TO PUT SOME BRAKES ON THIS PROJECT AND TAKE SOME REAL CLOSER LOOK, UH, AT, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY SAID, UH, A LOT OF THE PUBLIC STILL AREN'T, UH, REAL FAMILIAR WITH IT, AND YET WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THIS PROJECT.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT TOURISM MAGNETS.

BUSH GARDENS BUILT TO BE A TOURISM MAGNET.

UH, WATER COUNTRY IS A TOURISM MAGNET.

COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG IS A TOURISM MAGNET.

UH, THE SPORTS FACILITY IS THAT A FACILITY, UH, WHEN SUMMER COMES AND, UH, FAMILIES SAY, LET'S GO TO WILLIAMSBURG AND ENJOY, UH, BUSH GARDENS.

THE FAMILY SAYS, YAY, VERILY, LET'S GO.

BUT WHO'S GONNA SAY, LET'S GO DOWN TO, UH, WILLIAMSBURG AND PLAY TENNIS, OR TAKE PART ON, UH, 12, UM, BASKETBALL COURTS.

IT'S A NICE IDEA, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE QUITE READY FOR YET.

UM, TO ME IT'S KIND OF A MATTER OF JUDGING PRIORITIES.

UM, I'M A MEMBER OF A, UM, BOARD, UH, IN WILLIAMSBURG, UH, CALLED GUAM, GREATER WILLIAMSBURG OUTREACH MINISTRIES.

I DON'T SPEAK FOR GUAM TONIGHT.

UH, THIS IS ME SPEAKING.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, UH, ONE YEAR, AND THE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, HOMELESS AND, UH, FOOD, UM, PROBLEMS IN THE AREA.

AND YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT'S EXACTLY LIKE THEY, THEY REPORT ON THE TELEVISION NEWS.

UM, IT'S THERE AND IT'S THERE IN BIG TIME.

UM, OUR PEOPLE ARE HURTING.

SO IF WE'RE WILLING TO COMMIT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK, UH, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US FIRST TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN PEOPLE BEFORE WE START BUILDING SOMETHING TO INVITE MORE PEOPLE INTO THE AREA.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UM, MONEY TOWARDS HOMELESS AND, AND FOOD, BUT THE LIBRARIES AND OTHER FACILITIES THAT REALLY BENEFIT OUR PEOPLE AS A WHOLE.

UH, SO I URGE YOU DON'T, DON'T APPROVE THIS.

UM, NOW WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, BACK TO OUR DISCUSSION HERE.

SO THE, THE REAL RESOLUTION IS R 23 DASH 1 69.

THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO PASS, RIGHT? RIGHT.

I PROPOSE, HANG ON, I'M LOOKING AT THE LAWYER.

THAT'S THE FIRST CALL.

YOU CAN GO IN THE ORDER THAT IT'S LISTED THE FUNDING'S FIRST, AND THEN YOU, NOW YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND, HUH? IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

ALRIGHT, SO JUST, I'M TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT WAY.

SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA GO ALL THREE AT ONE TIME.

MM-HMM, , OKAY.

SO IT'S R 23 DASH 1 73 R 23 DASH 1 72 AT R 23 DASH 1 69.

SO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVE OUR, UH, RESOLUTION SAYS R 23 1 73.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO ALL OF 'EM AT ONCE.

I MOVED R 23 DASH 1 72 AND I MOVE

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IS THERE ANY COMMENT, DISCUSSION? YEAH, QUESTION.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

I, I JUST, UH, AM DIS DISAPPOINTED AND SADDENED BY SOMETHING AS, AS EXPENSIVE AS THIS FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS.

DOESN'T HAVE A REAL PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE WORD GOT OUT AND OUR CITIZENS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN HERE AND SAY WE SUPPORT IT OR WE OBJECT TO IT.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS EVENING, BECAUSE IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM OF ABOUT 10 OTHER AGENDA ITEMS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE KIND OF PUBLIC HEARING THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT GOING INTO THE NEW YEAR, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS MEANS SOMETHING THAT'S SEPARATE, STANDALONE FROM JUST THE BOARD'S AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY.

SO MY COMMENTS ARE IF, IF WE'RE READY TO VOTE, I'LL VOTE.

BUT MY POINT OF IS I'LL CALL MY OBJECTIONS TO THE CITY INITIATIVE.

HERE WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP, TWO, TWO OPPOSED, AND ONE IN SUPPORT OF, AND THAT'S THE, THE FINITE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME OUT HERE FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK IT'S A JOKE.

ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, GO AHEAD, STEVE.

YEAH, SO I UNDERSTAND THE VISION BEHIND THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PRIMARY OBJECTIVE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO DRIVE TOURISM INTO THE AREA.

PEOPLE EAT AT OUR RESTAURANTS, STAY AT OUR HOTELS, SHOP AT OUR STORES.

THAT WILL HELP THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WHICH WHICH IS GREAT, WILL GENERATE SOME ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE, WHICH IS GREAT.

ALSO, UM, AS A YOUTH FOOTBALL COACH AND ADMINISTRATOR FOR YEARS, I LIKED WHAT I'M SEEING AS FAR AS THE FACILITY ITSELF, THE WORLD CLASS FACILITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S GREAT.

UM, BUT WHERE IT STARTS TO FALL APART FOR ME IS THE MODEL OF PROVIDING THE FUNDS.

WE ARE BEING ASKED TO COMMIT FOR THE NEXT 30 OR 35 YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU READ THE, UH, DOCUMENTATION OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN 300,000 TO $800,000 ANNUALLY TO PAY FOR THIS.

NOW THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT'S GONNA GENERATE TOURISM DOLLARS AND TOURISM TAX DOLLARS TO OFFSET THAT.

BUT WHAT IF IT DOESN'T? WHAT IF, SAY WE HAVE A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND WE, AND TOURISM FALLS APART FOR 2, 2, 3 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE HOOK TO PAY FOR THAT.

ALSO.

THERE'S NOWHERE IN, IN ANY, IN ANY OF THE, UM, RESOLUTIONS THAT SAY IF THEY OPERATE IN THE BLACK, IF THEY OPERATE PROPERLY, WE PAY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING A MINIMUM OF $300,000 EVEN IF THEY MAKE, THEY'RE MAKING A PROFIT OUT OF IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT EITHER.

UM, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE FUNDING CAN COME FROM THE TOURISM DOLLARS AND IT SHOULD BE STIPULATED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THE FUNDING ONLY COMES FROM THE TOURISM DOLLARS AND THE TOURISM DOLLARS FAIL TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING, THEN THEY'RE GONNA OPERATE SHORT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS WOULD HAVE TO DO.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THEM BEING SUCCESSFUL FOR THIS.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A SUPPLEMENTAL USE OF THE FACILITY FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT IT'S SUPPLEMENTAL.

WE WOULD NEVER BE BUILDING THIS JUST, JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE.

THAT'S ICING ON THE CAKE.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL EVER GET ENOUGH USAGE OUT OF IT TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENSES THAT WE'LL BE PAYING FOR IT.

AND OVER THE 35 YEARS, WE'LL BE PAYING ANYWHERE FROM 10.5 TO $28 MILLION ON THIS PLUS PLUS DEBT SERVICES.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I'LL BE PAYING FOR THAT MOST OF THE REST OF MY LIFE.

MY KIDS BE PAYING FOR IT, FUTURE GRANDKIDS BE PAYING FOR IT.

UM, AND I GOTTA ASK MYSELF, WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO WITH THAT MONEY? WHAT IF WE INJECTED THAT MONEY DIRECTLY INTO THE BUSINESSES THAT, THAT EXIST TODAY, UP AND UP AND DOWN THE COUNTY, THAT WE'LL SEE MORE BENEFIT FROM IT DOWN HERE, EXCUSE ME DOWN HERE THAN JUST UP THERE.

SO I GET THE VISION.

I THINK IT'S LAUDABLE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TOURISM IN THE AREA TO, TO GROW, GROW THAT MARKET.

BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THE MODEL THAT WE'RE USING TO FUND FOR IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.

AND I HOPE THE BOARD CONSIDERS WHAT WE'RE GONNA COMMIT TO OVER THE NEXT 30 TO 35 YEARS AND WE'RE ON THE HOOK, WHETHER'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN EXIT THIS AGREEMENT OTHER THAN ALL THREE LOCALITIES AGREEING AND, AND THE, UM, AND THE AUTHORITY AGREEING TO LET US EXIT IF THIS SHOULD NOT BE SUSTAINABLE OVER TIME.

SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH TRAPPED INTO IT.

SO I HOPE THE BOARD CONSIDERS ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS BEFORE MAKING A DECISION.

IS IT ANYBODY OTHER COMMENTS? MM-HMM.

UM, SO THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE, COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.

ROLL CALL.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS.

R 23, 1 72, R 23, 1 69, AND R 23 1 73 CONCERNING THE ACTIONS RELATED TO THE HISTORIC TRIANGLE RECREATIONAL SPORTS FACILITY.

SO WE GOT THE THREE GOVERNMENTS THAT HAVE LINED UP AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS UH, WITH THIS FACILITY.

OKAY, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE BOUNDARY CLARIFICATION.

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HANG ON, HANG ON.

I'LL GET THERE.

APRIL ROSE, THIS IS SANITATION.

THIS IS THE HAMPTON ROAD SANITATION DISTRICT EASEMENT.

THAT'S THE NEXT ONE, ISN'T IT? MAKE SURE, YEAH.

THE EASEMENT'S THERE.

YEAH, IT'S THE EASEMENT.

HANG ON.

MY COMPUTER'S ABOUT TO GO OUT HERE.

THAT'S NUMBER AND YOUR DISTRICT.

HANG ON, SHEILA.

SO THIS IS, UM, UM, WE, UH, LOOKING FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD SANITATION DISTRICT EASEMENTS ARE NEEDED.

SO I WANNA WELCOME YOU, SO YOU'RE ON.

MY NAME'S ANGIE WEATHERHEAD.

I'M WITH HAMPTON ROADS SANITATION DISTRICT.

I'M A PROJECT MANAGER, UM, FOR THEM.

I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY.

UM, I HAVE THREE EASEMENTS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING FOR YOU, UM, TO HELP US TO HELP FACILITATE THE BUILDING OF THE TAB OFFLINE STORAGE FACILITY, AND PRESSURE REDUCING STATION.

BEFORE I GET INTO THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE EASEMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, I WANNA GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS, UM, NEW FACILITY THAT WE'RE BUILDING OUT BEHIND THE TAB HIGH SCHOOL.

SO, FIRST THING ABOUT HRSD IS OUR PROMISE, UM, TO OUR COMMUNITY, WE PROMISE TO TREAT WASTEWATER AND RECOVER NATURAL RESOURCES TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

AND THIS PROJECT DOES, DOES JUST THAT.

THIS PROJECT MEETS THE EPA CONSENT DECREE THROUGH HRS D'S INTEGRATED PLAN TO HELP, UM, INCREASE SYSTEM CAPACITY IN THE YORK RIVER SYSTEM AND REDUCE, UM, SANITARY SEWER.

, UH, SYSTEM PRESSURES.

I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH.

UM, I'VE GOT ON HERE.

IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE VIDEO HERE, AND I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE.

UM, BEFORE I PRESS PLAY ON THIS, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND THE BALL FIELDS.

UM, BEHIND THE, UM, TAB PRS AND OFFLINE STORAGE FACILITY IS THE HOLLY MEAD NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN, UH, KIND OF WHERE, WHERE YOU WOULD BE STANDING LOOKING DOWN IS WHERE THE, UM, FIRE STATION IS.

SO WE'RE RIGHT OFF OF BIG BETHEL ROAD, AND THAT'S VICTOR BOULEVARD.

GOING OFF TO THE LEFT.

UH, SO HERE WE ARE PULLING INTO THE STATION.

ON THE LEFT THERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE PARK AND RIDE LOT THAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD, AND THAT LEADS TO A NEW, UM, WALKING TRAIL.

AND YOU CAN SEE SOME FOLKS ON THERE.

UM, TO THE RIGHT IS THE ROAD THAT'S GONNA ACCESS OUR PROPERTY.

AS WE TURN THE CORNER, YOU'LL SEE IN FRONT OF YOU A STORM WATER, BMP, UH, FOR THIS FACILITY.

YOU'LL ALSO SEE SOME TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON SITE.

WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE AS POSSIBLE.

AND TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE SOME ADDITIONAL TREES THAT WE'RE ADDING FOR SCREENING OF THIS FACILITY.

ONCE THE FACILITY IS BUILT, WE'RE COMING UP TO THE ACTUAL, UM, BUILDINGS HERE.

WE'VE GOT TWO BUILDINGS, THE PRESSURE REDUCING STATION AND THE OFFLINE STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH IS A TANK.

THE TANK IS TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS, AND THE PRESSURE REDUCING STATION HOUSES EIGHT PUMPS.

AND HOW HIGH IS THAT TANK? 35 FEET.

UH, RIGHT HERE AT THE BACK HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT SCREENED BY TREES.

THAT IS A, AN ODOR CONTROL STATION.

WE'RE GONNA GO INSIDE THE FACILITY HERE.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE EIGHT PUMPS.

THESE PUMPS HAVE, UM, THREE DIFFERENT PURPOSES.

WE'VE GOT PRESSURE REDUCING PUMPS THAT REDUCE THE PRESSURE ON THE YORK RIVER SYSTEM.

WE'VE GOT YORK RIVER PUMPS THAT WILL TAKE FLOW OUT OF THE TANK AND DELIVER IT TO THE YORK RIVER TREATMENT PLANT.

AND THEN WE HAVE JAMES RIVER PUMPS THAT'S GONNA TAKE FLOW OUT OF THE TANK AND DELIVER IT TO THE JAMES RIVER TREATMENT PLANT.

HMM.

OUR SYSTEM.

AND HOW DEEP IS THIS THING? UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 25 FEET UNDERGROUND.

AND JUST KIND OF ZOOM OUT AND TAKE A LOOK.

THE WAY THIS STATION WORKS IS IT'S GOING AS, UM, WE CALL IT DIURNAL FLOW, RIGHT? IT GOES UP DURING THE DAY WHEN EVERYBODY'S TAKING A SHOWER, COOKING, IT GOES DOWN AT NIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY'S SLEEPING.

WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE PEAKS OFF DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS AND THEN SEND THEM TO THE PLANET THE NIGHTTIME HOURS WHEN THEY SEE LESS FLOW.

SO WE'RE GONNA FLATLINE THE FLOW TO THOSE PLANTS AS WELL.

AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP SAVE RATE PAYER MONEY, UM, BECAUSE BY FLATLINING THOSE FLOWS, YOU REDUCE COSTS WITH CHEMICALS.

AND OPERATIONALLY, UH, WE JUST PASSED THROUGH THE ELECTRICAL ROOM.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND THIS IS THE GENERATOR.

SO THIS IS AN INDOOR GENERATOR.

UM, IT'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS NOISE THAN SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOCATED OUTSIDE SIDE.

WE'RE GONNA GO BACK OUTSIDE THE, UM, THE STATION HERE

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I DO WANT TO, UM, MENTION ONE THING ABOUT THE ODOR CONTROL STATION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS TANK IS COVERED.

SO EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY ENCLOSED.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE AIR OUT OF THIS ENCLOSED TANK AND PUT IT THROUGH THIS TWO STAGE SYSTEM.

IT'S A BIOLOGICAL, UM, ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM, FOLLOWED BY A CARBON SCRUBBER.

IT'S TOP OF THE LINE.

IT'S THE BEST YOU CAN GET FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, ANGIE, IS THE, THE TANK ITSELF IS GONNA BE THE LARGEST OBJECT THERE.

IS IT GONNA BE GREEN ON TOP AND BROWN ON THE SIDE? YES, SIR.

JUST LIKE THAT? YES.

UM, SO THE IDEA BEHIND THIS, UH, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSIONS THAT WE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE THIS TO LOOK LIKE, SO THAT'S WHAT OUR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WAS BASED ON.

THE GREEN ROOF IS MORE TO KIND OF CAMOUFLAGE IT IN THE AREA TOO.

, UM, TO BLEND IN WITH THE TREES A LITTLE BIT.

UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF, OR ORIENT YOU HERE.

SO WHAT I'M SHOWING IN FRONT OF YOU IS KIND OF THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT WE OWN AND HOW WE DRIVE INTO THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT FROM GOOGLE EARTH.

YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE WHITE GOING AROUND THIS PROPERTY HERE.

YOU CAN SEE TAB HIGH SCHOOL TO THE RIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE HOLLY NEED TO THE LEFT.

AND THEN HERE ARE THE PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT.

YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THE TANK HERE.

WE'VE GOT THE PRS BUILDING RIGHT HERE.

AND THIS IS THE DOMINION EASEMENT THAT RUNS ALONG THERE.

YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE HIGH SCHOOL RECENTLY, IT'S COMPLETELY, UM, BARE THROUGH THAT AREA.

UH, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD ENTER THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.

WE HAVE THE PARK AND RIDE LOT, AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OTHER FEATURES AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS.

SO, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT HOW THIS, UM, FACILITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT YORK COUNTY.

WE'RE INSTALLING A 1.2 MILE TRAIL SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC USE.

UH, THIS WAS DESIGNED BY THE COUNTY AND WILL BE COMPLETELY BUILT AND PAID FOR BY HRSD.

UM, WE'RE PROVIDING A PARK AND RIDE LOT AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY.

UM, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT IS OVER, THERE IS A 10 ACRE PARCEL, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE DOMINION EASEMENT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GIFT THAT TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE USE FOR IT.

AND THEN FINALLY, IT REDUCES THE SEWER SYSTEM PRESSURES WITH WITHIN THE YORK COUNTY SYSTEM.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS I WAS SHOWING YOU.

YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEM HERE IN FRONT OF YOU DESIGNED BY YORK COUNTY.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT STATIONS WHERE THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COUNTY TO INSTALL EXERCISE EQUIPMENT, UM, WHEN THE TIME COMES.

AND THEN THAT YELLOW PORTION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IS THE APPROXIMATELY 10 ACRE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAND OVER TO THE COUNTY.

SO JUST TO SHOW YOU, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES OF PROPERTY AROUND THE HRSD PROPERTY, WHAT I HAVE THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE H HAMPTON ROAD SANITATION DISTRICT PROPERTY.

UM, THAT TEENY LITTLE SLIVER THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED ON THE BOTTOM HERE, THAT BELONGS TO, UH, YORK COUNTY.

THE BIGGER PARCEL THERE, THAT'S THE SCHOOL BOARD.

AND THEN THAT OTHER SMALL ONE IS ALSO, UM, YORK COUNTY BOARD BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S THE SAME AS THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE A COUPLE EXISTING EASEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY ALREADY, AND THESE, UM, EASEMENTS ARE FOR ACCESS AND FOR CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO WE HAVE THIS LITTLE ONE THAT GOES ON THE YELLOW SLIVER THERE SO WE CAN GET ONTO OUR PROPERTY.

WE DO HAVE A VALVE CLUSTER ALREADY THERE AND A AN HRSD FORCE MAIN THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE.

AND SO WE DO HAVE TO GO OUT THERE FROM TIME TO TIME TO OPERATE THOSE VALVES.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE AN EXISTING EASEMENT ON THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY, AND THAT'S FOR OUR FORCE MAIN.

SO NOW I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE EASEMENTS THAT WE ARE ASKING YOU FOR TONIGHT.

THE FIRST IS, UM, AN ACCESS EASEMENT.

THIS IS THE PER, THIS IS THE PERMANENT EASEMENT WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR.

AND THIS IS FOR, UM, THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE INSTALLING ON THIS PROJECT AS A PERMANENT MAINTENANCE EASEMENT.

SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PERMANENT EASEMENT HERE.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THIS IN THIS LOCATION.

HOWEVER, THE PERMANENT EASEMENT LANGUAGE DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY WE CAN USE IT FOR STORMWATER PURPOSES.

SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PERMISSIONS FOR STORMWATER TO BUILD IT AND TO MAINTAIN IT.

AND THIS IS THE PLAT FOR THAT EASEMENT.

THE SECOND EASEMENT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT.

UM, THIS IS TO BUILD THE PARK AND RIDE LOT.

UH, THIS IS TO INSTALL THE NEWPORT NEWS, WATERWORKS WATER MAIN.

AND THIS IS ALSO TO INSTALL THAT, UM, STORM WATER DRAINAGE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE

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PLAT FOR THAT EASEMENT.

AND FINALLY, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER SMALL PIECE, UM, RIGHT AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THERE, UM, WHERE IT'S OUT ON THE ROAD ON BIG BETHEL, UH, CLOSE TO CLOSE TO BIG BETHEL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN INSTALL AND HOOK INTO THE NEWPORT NEWS WATER MAIN THAT'S COMING OFF OF THAT ROAD.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA TIE INTO THE WATER MAIN AT THAT POINT.

AND THAT'S THE PLAT FOR THAT EASEMENT.

AND THAT'S MY PRESENTATION.

UM, I'D WELCOME QUESTIONS.

SO, ANGIE, REAL QUICK, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERLAY? UM, I, IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA SHOW IT OR NOT, BUT, OKAY.

SO IT'S, I I KNOW WE'RE UNDER A CONSENT DECREE HERE THAT'S DRIVING US TO DO THIS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AIRTIGHT.

KEEP FROM, SO SEWAGE DOESN'T GO FLOWING INTO THE, THE, UM, JAMES AND YORK RIVER.

SO, UH, AND THE LAST YEAR OR SO, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE BLOWOUTS, UH, UH, AT, AT PUMP STATIONS.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE HR SDS ON ONE SIDE, THE COUNTIES ON THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, TENS, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF RAW SEWAGE FLOWS INTO THE, THE BMPS.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO HELP THAT? UH, SO, SO A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.

UM, NUMBER ONE, THE BIG ONE IS GOING TO BE DURING STORM EVENTS.

UM, WE CALL IT INI INFILTRATION, UH, INFLOW AND INFILTRATION INTO A SYSTEM THAT HAPPENS DURING BIG WATER EVENTS, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT MANHOLES OUT THERE.

WE GET WATER IN, WE GET A LOT OF WATER IN DURING THAT.

SO WHAT THIS TANK IS GONNA DO IS IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO TAKE TWO AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND HOLD IT DURING THAT STORM EVENT SO THAT IT'S NOT OUT IN THE SYSTEM.

JUST LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO GO.

UM, THE OTHER WAY IT'S GOING TO DO THAT IS BY THE, THESE PRS PUMPS ARE GOING TO OPERATE CONTINUOUSLY, EVEN WHEN THERE'S NOT A STORM EVENT, TO TRY AND KEEP THE SEWER SYSTEM PRESSURES LOW IN THE YORK COUNTY, UM, SEWER SYSTEM AND PUSH THEM ONTO THE PLANT FASTER THAN THEY NORMALLY WOULD.

SO YOUR PUMP STATIONS WILL SEE LESS PRESSURE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE PULLING FROM YOUR SYSTEM AND PUSHING INTO OUR SYSTEM.

SO, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, WALT? YEAH.

UH, YOU, YOU'RE ASKING FOR EASEMENTS.

, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THIS TO GET ON THE GROUND.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT THE HARDWARE THAT'S CONSTRUCTED IS PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED AND IT'S NOT GONNA FAIL? IS THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE YORK COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY BASED ON ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THIS IS GONNA BE OWNED AND OPERATED BY HRSD.

YEAH, BUT WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE OVERSIGHT? I, I UNDERSTAND HRSC IS, IS NOT INFALLIBLE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IT GETS INVOLVED WITH.

SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PRODUCT, THE PRODUCT THAT WILL MOVE ALL THAT WATER.

YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITY INSPECTION? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HARDWARE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NICE DIAGRAMS THAT YOU SHOWED US EARLIER ON THAT HAD NOTHING THAT HAD A LITTLE TO DO WITH THE EASEMENT, OTHER THAN YOU'RE ASKING YOUR COUNTY FOR PERMISSION TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON YOUR COUNTY LAND.

THAT'S THE EASEMENT.

BUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS MACHINERY, THIS HARDWARE.

SO WE'RE CONTRACTED WITH MEB RIGHT NOW.

AND WHO IS, I'M SORRY, WHO ARE THEY? MEB UH, CONTRACTORS.

UM, MID EASTERN BUILDERS.

UM, A CONTRACTOR OUT OF CHESAPEAKE.

SO I'M SURE THERE'S, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THERE'S OVERSIGHT TO WHAT THEY DO IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTING THE HARDWARE.

I'M THE LAND THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR EASEMENT TO, TO BE ON.

I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO ASK IS, IS WHO'S MAINTAINING ALL THIS? IF ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED, WHO'S OVERSEEING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN WHO'S MAINTAINING IT? WELL, I, I MEAN, THAT'S HRSD, I MEAN, SO WE OWN IT.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY DURING CONSTRUCTION.

I'M PERSONALLY THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THAT.

SO I'LL BE ON SITE REGULARLY WHILE THIS IS BEING CONSTRUCTED.

ONCE IT IS CONSTRUCTED, CONSTRUCTED, IT'S TURNED OVER TO OUR OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT.

UM, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN A, A NORMALLY UNMANNED STATION, BUT WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE REGULARLY, UM, OPERATING THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S OUT THERE, UH, DOING REGULAR MAINTENANCE ON IT, THINGS OF THAT, THAT NATURE.

IT'S ALARMED, RIGHT? THE, THE BUILDING'S ALARMED.

OH, YES.

THERE, THERE'S, IT'S, UH, IT WILL BE ON OUR, UM, SCADA SYSTEM AND IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUOUSLY MONITORED, RIGHT? MM-HMM, , THIS IS ALL DOWN TOM'S DISTRICT FIVE.

IT'S ALL IN MY DISTRICT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OUR SEWAGE UP IN DISTRICT ONE.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY .

YOU GOT, YEP.

CAN YOU BACK UP, I THINK ONE SLIDE TO THE GO GOOGLE EARTH OVERVIEW? YES.

CAN YOU USE YOUR POINTER TO SHOW WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE IN THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU COME IN HERE, THE BUILDINGS WILL BE ABOUT RIGHT HERE.

OKAY? MM-HMM, .

THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF IT AND PARTICIPATED.

SO PROBABLY HADN'T HAD A NEED TO TALK TO ADMINISTRATION AT BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH ABOUT IT, OR HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO THEM SO THEY'RE NOT SURPRISED WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS? UH, WELL, I WILL SAY BEFORE I WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS, I DO THINK THAT

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YOU WERE IN THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING? I I DID NOT SEE THEM AT THE SECOND ONE.

UH, NEXT QUESTION.

SO YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, ODOR MITIGATION.

WHAT, WHAT ABOUT SOUND? WILL PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S RUNNING SOUND? NO.

AND THEY WON'T, WON'T HEAR ANYTHING? NO.

UH UH, MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE, UM, IF THERE WAS A POWER OUTAGE AND THE GENERATOR NEEDED TO RUN.

UM, BUT, BUT LIKE I SHOWED YOU, THAT GENERATOR'S INDOORS, SO IT, IT'LL BE MINIMAL.

SO BASICALLY YOU, ONCE IT'S UP AND RUNNING, IT'S JUST BUILDING.

YOU PROBABLY WOULD NEVER KNOW.

THE CHURCH WOULD NEVER KNOW IT'S HAPPENING.

THE PEOPLE IN WHAT HOLLY MEAD WOULDN'T KNOW IT'S THERE.

SO, OKAY.

LAST QUESTION.

COULD YOU SPEND LIKE 30 SECONDS EXPLAINING WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATIONS IF THIS FACILITY DOESN'T GET BUILT? YEAH.

UM, SO, UH, I, THIS IS KIND OF A LONG ANSWER.

SO, UM, THE SWIFT PROGRAM THAT'S GOING ON AT THE JAMES RIVER TREATMENT PLANT, THE SUSTAINABLE WATER INITIATIVE FOR TOMORROW, UM, THIS IS GOING TO SAVE THAT PLANT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UM, BY FLAT-LINING THE FLOW TO THAT PLANT.

SAME WITH THE YORK RIVER TREATMENT PLANT.

IF WE CAN FLATLINE THE FLOW TO JAMES RIVER, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO REDUCE THE FLOW SLIGHTLY AND FLATLINE IT AT YORK RIVER.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA PULL FROM THE YORK RIVER SYSTEM AND PUT IT IN JAMES RIVER.

AND THAT'S GOING TO SAVE THAT TREATMENT PLANT MONEY AS WELL.

UM, JUST IN OPERATIONAL COSTS.

UM, AS FAR AS THE CONSENT DECREE GOES FROM THE EPA, I MEAN, THIS IS PART OF OUR INTEGRATED PLAN.

SO IT'S GOING TO FORCE US TO STEP BACK, FIND OTHER WAYS, UM, TO DEAL WITH THE INI INTO THE SYSTEM.

IT, THAT COULD BE A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE FIX.

I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING REPLACING PIPES, LINING PIPES, BRAND NEW MANHOLES, LARGER PIPES.

I MEAN, WE, WE NEED MORE CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM.

ALL RIGHT? OKAY.

AND LAST QUESTION TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

IF WE'RE SAVING ALL THIS MONEY FOR THESE FACILITIES, WILL YOUR COUNTY RESIDENCIES SAVINGS IN THEIR SEWAGE BILLS AS IN A DECREASE? YEP.

NO.

SO I'M GONNA ADD TO YOUR COMMENT HERE.

'CAUSE 'CAUSE THE, THE CONSENT DECREE, UH, BASICALLY, UH, AND THE WAY REQUIRED HRSD KIND OF CAME INTO THIS IS THAT THIS IS THE OPTIMAL SITE BECAUSE OF THE SWITCHING OF THE, THE PUMP SWITCHING, YOU CAN GO TO EITHER DIRECTION.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

IT'S ALL OVER THE YEARS THEY WERE BUILDING THIS, THEY BUILT IT RIGHT THERE.

AND, UH, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS TAKING PLACE.

PROBABLY COULD HAVE COMMENTED, BUT YOU THEN PUT IT IN ALL THE PIPING, YOU GOT ALL, I MEAN, NOT JUST THAT PIPING, BUT YOU MAY RECALL ALL THAT BIG BLACK PIPING THAT WAS BEING LAID OUT BETWEEN HERE AND JAMES, UH, THE JAMES RIVER PLANT, AND THE SAME WAY UP TOWARDS, UH, YOUR PLANT.

UM, AND WHAT SHE'S BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT IF THIS DID NOT HAPPEN, THEN IT, IT WOULD COST US A WAY, A LOT MORE MONEY.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE PRICES, THE PRICE WOULD GO UP.

I UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING, BECAUSE WE GOTTA GET IT DONE.

I MEAN, THERE'S NOS NO, NO OPTION.

HERE'S MATTER.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT.

WHAT YOU GOT? ANYTHING REAL QUICK? UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL WORK AT THIS FACILITY, WILL WORK AT THE FACILITY? UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE AN UNMANNED STATION.

UM, IT, IT WILL BE RUN BY OUR NORTH SHORE OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT.

I, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE SIZE OF IT.

SO HAVE CAMERAS WILL BE SECURE.

, I DUNNO, THE ANSWER IS NO.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL ESPECIALLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHILE CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON.

'CAUSE SOMETIMES THAT KIND OF STUFF IS TEMPTING.

UM, SO, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE IS SECURE AT ALL TIMES WHILE IT'S BEING BUILT.

AND THEN AGAIN AFTERWARDS, IT DOES HAVE A FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND.

IT'S GOING TO BE LOCKED, CAMERAS, ET CETERA.

GOTCHA.

A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, THERE WAS A BIG SEWER SPILL, SEWAGE SPILL, RAW SEWAGE WENT INTO THE YORK RIVER, UH, CLOSE THE WATERS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND FRONT OF MR. DRURY'S HOUSE.

UH, HOW WILL THIS FACILITY STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? THAT'S NICE.

I, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, IT'S GOING TO BE PULLING WATER OUT OF THE YORK, THE YORK RIVER SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHAT YORKTOWN IS ON.

RIGHT? SO IT'S GOING TO BE PULLING SEWAGE OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM AND PUTTING IT INTO OUR SYSTEM.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MITIGATE QUICKER BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT LEAVING THAT WAY.

WE WOULD HAVE, WE'D DES SUCKING IT INTO OUR SYSTEM.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THESE BILLS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN? AND NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

NOBODY SAYS THAT.

AND MY MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS USUALLY WHEN MR. ZAREMBA AND I DO EASEMENTS, SOMETHING IS GIVEN TO THE PERSON WHO IS PROVIDING THE EASEMENT, SUCH AS THE COUNTY, ANY CHANCE THAT OUR CITIZENS COULD RECEIVE A REDUCED HRSD BILL BECAUSE OF THEIR GOODWILL TOWARDS HRSD GIVING, GRANTING THESE EASEMENTS TO HRSD ? I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

UM, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THE, THE CITIZENS HAPPY.

UM, BUT THAT IS A DECISION THAT IS UP TO OUR COMMISSION AND NOT ME.

THE ANSWER IS NO.

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I THINK SHE, I THINK SHE SHOULD RUN THE OFFICE SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND IS, UH, NO, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

SO OPEN UP THE P PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 63, AND NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP.

AND, OKAY.

SO I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, WE NEED A MOTION ON R 23.

1 63, UH, MOVE R 23 1 63, PLEASE.

THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

ANY COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO WANT TO ADD A COMMENT.

THIS, UH, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, PRETTY WELL DISTRIBUTED IN TERMS OF INFORMATION IN DISTRICT FIVE.

UM, THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE ANSWERS OR QUESTIONS CAME BACK.

THEY DID INVESTIGATE SITES OUT ABOUT A MILE, MAYBE A MILE AND A HALF.

UM, AND, UH, I MEAN, NO ONE BOTTOM LINE, NO ONE WANTS A BIG SEWER PUMP IN THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE.

BUT, UH, BUT, UM, UH, PEOPLE HAVE HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS, UM, AND THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED AD NAUSEUM.

SO, AND TOM, I'LL ADD, SINCE THIS IS SO CLOSE TO THE BINDERS OF OUR TWO DISTRICTS, AS WATER HAS GOTTEN OUT ABOUT THE WALKWAYS AND THE PUBLIC USE FACILITIES OF IT, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME EXCITEMENT ABOUT HAVING ACCESS TO THAT, UM, MARK AND I WERE IN A MEETING WITH A GENTLEMAN FROM SMITH FARMER STATES AND ONCE DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT ONCE WE JUST MENTIONED THAT TO HIM, HE ENCOURAGED US TO GO IN AND SUPPORT THIS.

'CAUSE HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO USE THAT FACILITY AND FACILITY.

AND THAT, UH, THERE, THERE WASN'T A LOT PAID TO THAT.

I, YOU SHOWED A SLIDE, UH, FOR THE DIS UH, FOR THE WALKING TRAILS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BUILD.

WE DESIGNED IT, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IT.

UM, AND IT'S GONNA PUT A, UH, PO A, A CHANCE, IN FACT, NOT A CHANCE.

WE, IT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IN LATER YEARS, UM, THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE TRAIL THAT RUNS ALONG 1 71 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CITY OF OSA.

AND, UH, THEN IT'S GONNA CONNECT, LIKE YOU SAID TO THE SMITH TRAIL AND PROBABLY INTO THE VICTORY ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANNA SEE IT THERE.

IT JUST MAKES IT MUCH EASIER.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE KIDS RUNNING OUT THERE ON, ON THE HIGHWAYS WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR RUNS.

THEY'LL BE ABLE TO RUN ON THE PASS AND THEY'LL BE REALLY GREAT.

SO.

UM, NO OTHER COMMENTS.

YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION SOMEONE I DID, I THINK SHEILA DID.

DID.

SHEILA MADE A MOTION.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 63 TO CONVEY TWO TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS AND ONE PERMANENT EASEMENT ACCESS EASEMENT FOR ACCESS AND MAINTENANCE OF STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS TO HRSD.

NOW WE'LL GO INTO, I GOT MY PAPER TURNED AROUND.

LEMME ON.

THIS IS GONNA BE ITEM EIGHT, AND THIS WILL BE, UM, LET'S SEE, BOUNDARY.

OKAY, THIS IS THE YORK COUNTY CITY OF OCN BOUNDARY.

UH, CLARIFICATION AND NEIL.

AND IN ABOUT 15 OF THOSE CASES, WHAT THIS DOES, IT JUST ALIGNS THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY WITH THE POLITICAL BOUNDARY.

SO, UM, SOME MAY NOT KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, UNCERTAINTY ABOUT PORTIONS OF THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN YORK COUNTY AND POCOS.

AND I'D HEARD IT SAID, DIDN'T SEEM TO BOTHER ANYBODY TOO MUCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF TROUBLE TO CHANGE THE POLITICAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN TWO LOCALITIES.

AND LAST YEAR, UM, A RESIDENT, I BELIEVE IT WAS A RESIDENT WHOSE HOUSE WAS IN YORK COUNTY, BUT PART OF HIS BACKYARD WE BELIEVED WAS IN KOSIN, WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD A SHED OR A FENCE OR SOMETHING.

AND YOUR COUNTY WAS LIKE, WELL, WE, WE THINK THAT'S IN KOSIN.

AND KOSIN WASN'T SURE.

WE WEREN'T SURE.

SO THE CITY MANAGER AND I GOT TOGETHER AND WE SAID, CAN'T WE, UH, JUST FOR THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT SITUATION, WE OUGHT TO SEE IF WE COULDN'T COME TO SOME CONSENSUS AND ESTABLISH A FIRM BOUNDARY.

AND I, I REPORTED TO YOU ALL ON THIS, UH, AND THE CITY ATTOR, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, CAN ADVISE YOU THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A VOLUNTARY PROCEDURE FOR TWO LOCALITIES TO ADJUST THEIR BOUNDARY, UH, WITH A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THAT IS WHAT IS HERE TONIGHT.

THE RED LINE THERE ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED CONSENSUS NEW BOUNDARY.

NOW, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE OLD ONE WAS? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHERE THE OLD ONE WAS.

IT'S ONE LINE ON OUR MAPS.

IT'S ANOTHER LINE IN KOANS MAPS.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, IT JUST VARIES BY A FEW FEET .

UH, SO WHAT, UH, UH, UH, MR. CANE AND KOSIN WAS A STAFF PERSON.

AND MR. AUGUST AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WORKED WITH A SURVEYOR.

UH, THEY WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED THE OLD MONUMENTS, SOME OF WHICH APPARENTLY GOT WASHED AWAY, AND STORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ABOUT 20 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR PARCEL IS IN THE OTHER POLITICAL BOUNDARY.

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IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS.

SO IT HAS NO TAX IMPLICATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THERE WERE A HANDFUL THAT WERE TOO COMPLICATED TO FIGURE OUT.

IT, IT MADE TOO MANY DRAMATIC ZIGS OR ZAGS IN THE BOUNDARIES.

SO WE LEFT THOSE ALONE, BUT THIS TOOK CARE OF ABOUT 15 OF THE 20 DISCREPANCIES SIMPLY.

SO IF YOU OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE LINE IS THE SAME AS THE POLITICAL BOUNDARY.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'RE DEALING WITH PCOS, UH, DEFENSE RULES AND SHED RULES OR YOUR COUNTY.

SO, UH, PCOS IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE IF WE ACT ON IT.

IT'S MY HOPE THAT THIS IS JUST A, A COMMON SENSICAL THING TO TAKE CARE OF A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING INTO SOME PROBLEMS. UH, I, I HOPE, UH, YOU'LL SUPPORT IT.

MS. MR. MORGAN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT MY SON DREW THAT LINE.

THERE'S A LITTLE SQUIGGLY, IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.

JUST A SECOND.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A TITLE CREEK.

AND, UH, DID YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE HE DREW THE LINE.

YEAH, NO, THAT IN THAT AREA, IT'S UNUSABLE ANYWAY, SO THANK YOU.

UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, SO LET'S, UH, LET'S SEE.

LET'S HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM SEVEN.

THIS, THIS IS RESOLUTION R 23 1 62.

UM, NO ONE SIGNED UP.

AND I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMENTS TO QUESTIONS MOTION.

NEED A MOTION FIRST, I'LL MOVE, UH, RESOLUTION 23 1 62.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

AND IS THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'M GONNA MAKE A COMMENT HERE REAL QUICK.

SO THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.

UH, THAT'S WHY THIS, THIS EARLIER THIS EVENING, I, I TALKED TO THE IN, UH, INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS HERE FROM THE WOODS OF TAB NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY SENSITIVE.

AND THAT WOODS OF TAB IS THAT, UH, YOU SEE WHERE IT'S, UH, ON THE, ON THE CHART SHOWS THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY.

AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS, UH, WOODS OF TAB, WHICH, UH, ORIGINALLY WAS GONNA HAVE A CONNECTION ON ONE OF THEIR STREETS OVER TO THE LEGACY OF POCOS.

, WHICH IS, UH, UH, ABOUT A, UH, 570, UH, UH, HOUSES, ACTUALLY, IT'S APARTMENTS.

AND, UH, TOWNHOUSES.

AND THEY WERE GONNA FLOW THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN TO, UH, DOWN TO CHERRYS CHAPEL, AND THEN OUT, AND THEN OUT.

UM, AND, UH, WE SHOT IT, WE SHUT IT DOWN.

UH, BASICALLY WE TOOK, UH, THE PROPERTY OUT OF THE, UH, OF THE ROAD SYSTEM, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ROAD SYSTEM, AND NOW IT'S JUST COUNTY ROAD.

AND SO THE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SENSITIVITY THAT THE RESIDENTS OF WOODS OF TAB HAVE TO, UH, TO ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH THAT BOUNDARY OR GET REAL CLOSE TO MAYBE LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP.

THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL IN THIS COUNTY WHO, UH, SEEMS TO TOUT HIMSELF AS BEING A, UH, AN INFORMED, UH, TRUTH TELLER.

WHAT HE DID IS HE ACTUALLY INCITED, UM, THE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE TOLD 'EM THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS DOING.

IT'S GONNA OPEN UP THE UP WAS GONNA OPEN UP THE ROAD.

JUST, I MEAN, SO I WILL TELL YOU FOLKS, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA LISTEN AND YOU GOTTA PAY ATTENTION.

AND SO I DID, I HAD TO SPEND SOME TIME WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM, UH, EVEN TO THE PERSON THAT CAME IN HERE TO THIS MEETING, THAT, UH, THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE OPENED.

THAT ROAD WAS NOT GONNA BE OPEN.

BUT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT DELIBERATELY IS JUST UNDERHANDED IN ITS DECEPTION.

AND, UM, AND IT, AND IT, IT WILL DESTROY THAT KIND.

IT'LL DESTROY A PERSON'S REPUTATION FOR SENDING OUT THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.

SO ANYWAY, UH, I HOPE HE, UH, I HOPE HE ENJOYED THAT, UH, THAT MOMENT OF, UH, FRIVOLITY WITH, UH, WITH NEIGHBORS BECAUSE, UH, I TELL YOU WHAT, HE'S, AND HE BURNED HIMSELF PRETTY GOOD, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, RIGHT? YES.

THAT TODD.

UH, LET'S GO VOTE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 1 62 TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF POCOS TO ADJUST AND RELOCATE THE COMMON BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN THE TWO JURISDICTIONS.

UM, NEXT, DOES ANYBODY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK OR ARE YOU DOING GOOD? WE'RE ALL DOING GOOD.

LET'S TAKE A BREAK AFTER THIS ONE.

WE'VE HAD TO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT GOES ON OUT THERE.

UM, NUMBER NINE.

SO PROPOSED RESOLUTION, R 23 I 1 68 IS TO VACATE SYCAMORE LANE AND A PORTION OF PLOTTED BOUNDARY ROAD.

UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, UH, THE EARLIER AT THE YEAR.

AND, UM, AND THEN WE TABLED IT.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

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AND, UH, ALSO THE, UM, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN ABLE TO TAKE SOME VISITS, GO OUT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY.

AND I WANTED TO CLEAN UP, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANNA PASS ON TO THE NEW CHAIRMAN.

I JUST WANNA GET, GET IT CLEARED UP AND, UH, AND UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

YEP.

SO, UM, NEIL, DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS? WELL, YOU HAVE A GRAPHIC THERE.

UH, TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY 18 MONTHS AGO.

IT WAS 18 MONTHS AGO.

GOSH.

I THOUGHT, AND OF COURSE THE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THE ACTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.

THE BOARD AT THAT TIME CHOSE NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION.

UM, THESE ARE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT LOOK LIKE ROADS BUT AREN'T, UH, LEGALLY SPEAKING ROADS.

UH, THE COUNTY HAS SOME INTEREST IN THEM GOING BACK IN HISTORY.

UH, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE BEING THAT WE HAVE A SEWER LINE THAT WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN ON SYCAMORE.

UM, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES OF, UM, PEOPLE GOING THROUGH WHAT APPEARED TO BE ROADS INTO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WOODS BACK THERE, WHICH AT LEAST IN THE STAFF'S VIEW, WAS GENERATING SOME QUIET ENJOYMENT ISSUES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND SO WE HAD PROPOSED, UM, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, VACATING OUR INTEREST, BUT FOR OUR UTILITY INTEREST, IN WHICH CASE, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD END UP, YOU KNOW, SPLITTING, UH, THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO, UH, MORE DEFINITIVELY ENFORCE, UH, NO TRESPASSING.

AND, UM, WE DID ASK THE PARK SERVICE TO, OF COURSE, THE CONCERN WAS, WELL, SOMEDAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO THROUGH THERE TO GO TO THE PARK.

AND ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS IN WRITING, THE PARK SERVICE HAS SAID THAT THEY OPPOSE ACCESS IN THESE LOCATIONS.

AND I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU COULD, UH, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THROUGH THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPER COORDINATION WITH THE PARK SERVICE.

SO, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TASKED BY THE BOARD TO DO WAS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THE PARK SUPERINTENDENT TO COME HERE.

AND, UH, I TRIED ON FOUR, FOUR DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

THE, UH, THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS THIS PARK SUPERINTENDENT IS NOT ALLOWED BY THE, BY THE PARK SERVICE TO COME IN AND COMMENT ON PROPERTY THAT'S NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GET ENGAGED.

SHE DID SEND US A LETTER THOUGH, AND SHE, OKAY, SO WE GOT THE LETTER.

ALRIGHT, GOOD.

SO, WHICH WAS A CONTINUATION OF THE LETTER THAT WE, TWO OF THE LETTERS THAT WE'D RECEIVED.

SO THAT WAS IT.

ANY QUESTIONS? BEING NONE? I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON R 23 DASH 1 68.

DID ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS? OH, GOT ALL KIND OF PEOPLE.

OH WAIT, I DO HAVE, LET'S SEE, IS THIS EIGHT? THIS IS, NO, THIS IS VACATE.

WAIT A MINUTE.

HANG ON.

THIS, THEY GOT, THIS IS NINE.

IT'S SUCH A LONG EVENING.

LET'S SEE.

RUTH NER, I APOLOGIZE.

I COULD CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE, UM, CONCERNING AND BOTHERSOME.

I SAID, MY NAME IS RUTH NER.

I OWN THE PROPERTY ON 200 BOUNDARY ROAD.

MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT IT AS A FUTURE RETIREMENT HOME, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE CLOSENESS TO THE FRENCH LOOP AND THAT END OF THE PARK.

UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, BE SO CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS, THE PUBLIC RESPONSE IS GONNA BE VERY MUTED.

IT'S A BUSY TIME FOR FAMILIES.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY SUPPORT VOICED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING DEMONSTRATES THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCESS TO THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE, UM, PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, HOPEFULLY YORK COUNTY, ALSO, THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, PRIORITIZES THIS HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF ITS RESIDENTS AS WELL.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY THE CONCERNS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DIRECTLY ALONG THOSE ROADS, AND I WILL HOPE MAYBE PERHAPS ONE DAY, UM, PLANNING ON BEING ONE OF THOSE, UM, IS IMPORTANT.

IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED AS FAR AS PARKING AND PRIVACY AND TRES TRESPASSING NEED TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED, CONSIDERED, AND ADDRESSED.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, I, MY UNDERSTANDING CURRENTLY THE VFW HAS BEEN SERVING AS AN OUTLET AND ALLOWING FOLKS AN ACCESS POINT THROUGH THERE.

UM, BUT AT ANY TIME THAT CAN CHANGE.

SO IF, IF THAT HAPPENS AND YORK COUNTY HAS VACATED THE RIGHTS ON SYCAMORE AND BOUNDARY, THEN THAT ACCESS IS, IS LOST, OFFICIALLY LOST.

AND THE ODDS OF EVER GETTING IT BACK ARE PROBABLY, UM, THERE ARE HOPEFULLY SOME, UH, THIS SHOULD BE SOLVABLE PROBLEM.

AND I WOULD BOARD PROPOSE THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER VACATING THE SYCAMORE LANE BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PROPERTIES.

IT'S PEOPLE WALKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES.

AND

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UM, BUT PERHAPS TO MA TO MAINTAIN THE ACCESS OFF A BOUNDARY ROAD, WHICH AGAIN, IS THE ROAD WHERE I HAVE PROPERTY, SO I HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME.

UM, IF YOU CAN MAINTAIN AND MAYBE EVEN ENHANCE THAT, UM, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSET.

APPARENTLY THIS MODEL EXISTS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAS NOT BEEN TO BEEN PROBLEMATIC.

UM, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF NO PARKING SIGNS, MAYBE SOME PRIVACY FENCE CAN ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THAT.

UM, SO IN CONCLUSION, I HOPE THAT THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER THIS COMPROMISE OPTION.

IT COULD MEET THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND IF YOU WERE TO HAVE ASKED MY CHILDREN WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG, IF THEY WANTED A WORLD CLASS MILLION DOLLAR RECREATIONAL CENTER OR A PATH INTO YORKTOWN ROADS AND TOUR ROADS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A PRETTY EASY ANSWER FOR THEM AND A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER FOR YORK COUNTY.

AND THANK YOU BEVERLY POWELL.

MY NAME BEVERLY POWELL.

I LIVE AT 1 0 5 SYCAMORE LANE.

LEMME PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU.

TO YOU PLEASE.

I ALSO OWN, UH, 1 0 1 BOUNDARY, UM, THAT CROSSES OVER MY PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ACCESS THE PARK.

THE PARK SERVICE IS A DEAD ISSUE.

THEY'VE GOTTEN LETTERS FROM THREE SEPARATE SUPERINTENDENTS SAYING IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

I MEAN, I I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY STILL ARE TRYING THIS.

I MEAN, ALL Y'ALL HAVE, MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE.

YOU'VE SEEN THE SITUATION.

IT'S NOT EASY ACCESS TO THE TOUR ROAD.

THE TOUR ROAD IS STILL A GOOD FOOTBALL FIELD BACK THERE.

AND THERE'S DOWN TREES AND EVERYTHING, ALL OTHER KINDS OF OBSTACLES.

AND IT'S, IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE VFW IS OPENING UP THEIR PROPERTY AND ALLOWING IT, SO BE IT.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT I HAVE TO MAINTAIN 1 0 1 BOUNDARY AND I HAVE TO MAINTAIN 1 0 5 SYCAMORE, I AM BEGGING YOU TO PLEASE GIVE US OUR LIVES BACK.

WE'RE TIRED OF PEOPLE COMING DOWN THERE CUSSING US OUT.

WE'RE TIRED OF THE LETTERS GOING OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS TELLING US WHAT AWFUL PEOPLE WE ARE.

IT'S JUST ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND I, I SPEAK FOR MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS ON SYCAMORE WHO ARE SITTING RIGHT HERE.

UH, BRIDGET FOX? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IT'S LATE.

UH, WELL, BEVERLY, I'M SORRY.

YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT STARTED THIS FIGHT, SO I'M SORRY YOU'RE BEING ANNOYED, BUT YOU BROUGHT THIS ON.

I CAME HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY HAS TO GIVE THE OPPOSING POINT OF VIEW.

IF THE BOARD HANDS THIS VACATES, ITS RIGHT OF WAY, YOU'RE BASICALLY HANDING THE POWELLS A GIFT.

YOU'RE JUST GIVING THEM LIKE A HALF ACRE OF LAND.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT IT COULD SET A PRECEDENT, UH, FOR FUTURE PEOPLE.

WHAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A MORAL BANK RESIDENT WOULD SAY, HEY, I WANT Y'ALL TO CLOSE MARLE RAVINE ROAD.

I DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE FROM NEW MAR RAVI TO GET TO OLDEN MAR RAVINE.

WOULD THE BOARD GIVE THEM THE PORTION OF THAT ROAD? WHAT IF A RESIDENT IN EDGEHILL WOULD DECIDE, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO CUT THROUGH HARRIS GROVE ROAD TO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY MORNING.

I WANT THAT TO BE MY PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

WOULD THE BOARD ACQUIESCED TO THAT? WHAT IF SOMEBODY IN QUEENS LAKE WOULD DECIDE THEY WANTED TO CLOSE THAT LITTLE BRIDGE BETWEEN EAST AND WEST QUEENS LAKE? WOULD THE BOARD AGREE TO DO THAT? SO I BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE SETTING A BAD PRESIDENT THAT A PRIVATE RESIDENT CAN, UM, JUST HIJACK PUBLIC DOMAIN.

ALSO, MR. POWELL DOES NOT WANT ANYBODY ON HIS ROAD, BUT THEY DO WANT THE POSTAL SERVICE PHONE, SEWER, WATER, TRASH, AMAZON UPS.

AND THEY WERE HAPPY THAT YOUR COUNTY DUG NEW DRAINAGE.

ZERS PUT SEWER IN, THEN PAVED THE ROAD.

SO THEY DO WANT ALL THE SERVICES, BUT THEN THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO, LET'S SAY TAKE A WALK DOWN SYCAMORE LANE.

THE IMPROVEMENTS TO SYCAMORE LANE WERE PAID WITH OUR MONEY, MY TAXPAYER MONEY.

THE POWELLS DID NOT SAY, WHOA, I DON'T WANT Y'ALL TO COME DOWN MY ROAD THEN.

BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE A WALK DOWN SYCAMORE LANE, UH, THEY'RE PREPARED TO CALL THE POLICE.

AND, UH, TO THE OTHER RESIDENTS ON SYCAMORE LANE WHO ARE ALLEGEDLY HERE, SIR, I WOULD SAY MS. FOX.

GOT YOU.

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MS. FOX, YEAH.

PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD, SIR.

NOT THE AUDIENCE.

TO THE OTHER RESIDENTS TO THE BOARD.

I WOULD SAY WHAT HAPPENS IN 20, 25 YEARS WHEN THESE RESIDENCES, 1 0 4, 1 0 2, 2 0 1, 1 0 1 HAVE BEEN SOLD SEVERAL TIMES, THEN THERE WILL BE A SITUATION WHERE WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ASKING TO RE ANNEX SYCAMORE LANE TO THE YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SYSTEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD WILL NEED PAVE, THE SEWER WILL NEED IMPROVED.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, UM, WHAT SET A BAD PRECEDENT.

I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A PUBLIC ROAD.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING RECREATION, UH, ALL THROUGH THE COUNTY.

WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND $800,000 A YEAR FOR A SPORTS COMPLEX.

AND, UH, AND YET WE'RE CLOSING ROADS IN YOUR COUNTY.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD VOTE THIS DOWN.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SPEAK.

OH, YES SIR.

COME ON.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

LEE LATIMER.

I AM THE NEW HOMEOWNER OF 1 0 2 SYCAMORE.

AND OUT OF EVERYBODY HERE, I THINK I'VE LIVED HERE THE LONGEST.

SO I GREW UP ON BOUNDARY ROAD AT 1 0 3 BOUNDARY.

UM, AND REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR THE LAWYER, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

WHAT'S THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, SIR? ON TRESPASSING, SIR, THIS IS YOUR TIME TO SPEAK.

I'M, I'M JUST ASKING HIM A QUESTION.

NO, WE'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

SO, AS A KID, WE KNEW THAT IT WAS TRESPASSING TO GO PAST THAT INTO THE ROADUM BOUNDARY.

SO FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT'S ILLEGAL.

WHY IS IT NOW AN ISSUE? SYCAMORE LANE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PRIVATE LANE.

IT'S NEVER CHANGED.

COUNTY HAS NOT PAVED IT TO MY EXTENT OR TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHY THIS HAS NOW AN ISSUE AND WHY IT'S NOT BEEN VOTED ON BEFORE.

UH, ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? NO, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN.

NOPE, SORRY.

RULES ARE RULES.

UH, WITH THAT I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, SO I NEED A MOTION ON R 23 DASH 1 68.

I'LL MOVE R 23 DASH 1 68.

FOR GETTING IT RE SUBDIVIDED AND WE WOULD ENSURE THAT WE HAD A SEWER EASEMENT AS PART OF THAT.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND MOVED.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, GO AHEAD.

LET ME, SO TO ME THIS, I, I HEAR TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

ONE IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH SYCAMORE LANE AND THIS PORTION OF BOUNDARY ROAD? UM, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT VDOT WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT.

UM, THE COUNTY HAS NO INTEREST IN, IN THE BOUNDARY ROAD.

AND THE ONLY INTEREST WE HAVE IN SYCAMORE LANE IS THE EASEMENT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THERE FOR, FOR SEWER.

AND WE HAVE THOSE EASEMENTS ALL, ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

SO THAT'S NOTHING NEW THERE.

WE DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN THAT ROAD GOING FORWARD.

IT'S, AND, UM, UM, SO, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S IN LIMBO.

IF, IF SOME, UM, REPAIR MAINTENANCE NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO THE ROAD, IF NEEDS TO BE PLA WHATEVER, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? WE, WE DON'T KNOW.

SO WE, WE NEED TO SETTLE THAT AND WE NEED TO SETTLE THAT TONIGHT.

IT'S BEEN IN LIMBO FOR FAR TOO LONG.

UM, THIS RESOLUTION WOULD ADDRESS THAT BY IDENTIFYING THE HOMEOWNERS, THOSE SIX PROPERTIES AS THE NEW, NEW, UM, UH, STEWARDS OF THAT ROAD AS WELL AS OFF, OFF BOUNDARY ROAD AS WELL.

SO, SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE THAT I'M HEARING.

THE OTHER ISSUE AND CONCERN I HEAR ABOUT IS ACCESS TO PARK SERVICE PROPERTY.

WELL, I, I'VE BEEN THERE ON BOTH BRANDY ROAD AND SINGAPORE LANE AND THERE IS NO ACCESS TO PARK SERVICE PROPERTY ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE PLACES BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN HAVE ANYWHERE.

JUST RANDOMLY WALKING ON THE PARK SERVICE PROPERTY, I'VE WALKED IT.

UM, YOU HAVE TO WALK OVER A DITCH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THICK FOLIAGE, LEAVES AND DEBRIS AND, AND MULTIPLE YARDS TO EVEN GET TO THE, UM, TO THE, UH, THE PARK SERVICE ROAD THAT'S BACK THERE.

SO CLEARLY IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS ACCESS, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC AT ALL.

AND PARKVILLE HAS MADE IT CLEAR THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY ACCESSING THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH THAT.

SO I DON'T SEE HOW ADDRESSING THE SYCAMORE LANE LIMBO STATE AND THE BOUNDARY IS BOUNDARY ROAD ISSUE IMPACTS THE ACCESS.

'CAUSE THERE IS NO IDENTIFIED ACCESS THERE NOW.

SO THEY SEEM TO BE GETTING, THE TWO ISSUES SEEM TO BEGIN TO COLLABORATE IT TOGETHER.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ONES AND I DON'T THINK ONE HAS A BEARING ON THE OTHER.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THESE ROADS? THEY'RE IN LIMBO NOW.

LET'S MAKE A DECISION, ELIMINATE THAT.

AND THE ACCESS ISSUE TO ME IS A NON-ISSUE BECAUSE THERE IS NO IDENTIFIED ACCESS AT EITHER LOCATION TODAY.

AND THAT'S OKAY.

MY THOUGHTS, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, REFERENCE SYCAMORE LANE.

UM, THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 LOTS.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THOSE SIX LOTS WILL BECOME CO-OWNERS OF THE, THE LANE THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION.

UH, THE WAY THIS OUGHT HAPPENED, IF YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, IS UH, THE OWNERS WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

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AND IF 20, 25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE REPAVED, THE, THAT'S THEIR JOB, NEW HOMEOWNER, HOMEOWNERS HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

ALTHOUGH WHEN WE HAVE A SEWER EASEMENT, WE HAVE, WE TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE TEAR UP, RIGHT? THE SEWER OKAY.

ON BOUNDARY LANE, UH, EXCUSE ME, BOUNDARY LANE, THEN THAT WOULD BE HOUSE 1 0 1 AND THAT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS OF 1 0 1, THEY WOULD BE RESPOND.

THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT POINT.

TYPICALLY THEN WE DO THIS FROM TIME TO TIME AND OTHER LOCALITIES DO, WHEN YOU'RE VACATING SOMETHING, OFTEN WHAT YOU DO IS JUST DRAW A LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE AND YOU GIVE HALF OF IT TO THE PARTY ON EITHER SIDE.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, ACROSS FROM 1 0 1 PARK, PARK SERVICE.

THEY DON'T WANT IT.

I'M SURE WHAT WOULD BE ANOTHER YEAH, THAT'D BE, AND MIAMI ROAD ENDS AT, AT 1 0 1.

SO IT DOESN'T EVEN, THE ROAD DOESN'T EVEN EXTEND.

SO, UM, YOU MADE A MOTION, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION AND, AND ONE QUICK THING, I WAS UP THERE ONE DAY AND I WELL SAW PEOPLE PAVING THE, UH, ROAD AND UH, YOU KNOW, I GOT OUT AND ASKED, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HEY, MAYBE IT WAS SOMEBODY FROM VDOT, SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY.

UH, NO, IT WAS, UH, THE PALS HAD PAID, UH, MAYBE ANOTHER NEIGHBOR.

SO, UH, THIS IDEA THAT THE COUNTY HAS MADE IMPROVEMENTS IS TO THE ROAD.

IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.

IT'S THE RESIDENCE DOWN THERE.

UH, AND SO THAT'S A NICE ROAD.

YEAH, IT'S, I MEAN, IT, I THINK THEY'RE, IT'S WELL MAINTAINED BY THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE DOWN THERE AND, OKAY.

SO, UH, MR. GREEN HAS MADE THE MOTION, JUST GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE ROLL.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 68, PURSUANT TO THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.

SECTION 15.2266, VACATING THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OVER PORTIONS OF SYCAMORE LANE AND BOUNDARY ROAD.

SO NOW YOU'VE GOT YOUR ROAD.

UH, ONE THING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, I MEAN, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN HERE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH THE POSTAL SERVICE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR PO YOUR MAILBOXES AND THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

BUT, AND THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO ESTABLISH A, UH, PRIVATE LIEN SIGN THERE.

AND I DON'T, SO, AND MARK, YOU'LL BE TAKING CARE OF THAT.

ALRIGHT, GREAT.

SO YOU GOT YOUR, YOU GOT YOUR STUFF.

ALRIGHT, LET'S TAKE A BREAK.

LET'S TAKE A BREAK FOR, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

HEY, NEIL, WHAT IS 15 AND 16? WE'RE BACK ON BY THE WAY.

SO WHAT ARE THEY? YEAH, I MEAN, NO, YOU GOT CONSENT.

THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

THAT'S IT IS 10, 11, 12, 13, AND 14.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NEW BUSINESS, NEW BUSINESSES.

IS IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS? YEAH.

NEW BUSINESS.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE QUEENS LIKE NEW BUSINESS.

WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, FOR PEOPLE HANGING OUT, BEEN HERE, HANGING PATIENTLY, WAITING TO SPEAK.

AND, UM, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO AND ASK TO FINISH UP THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

CONSENT AGENDA.

UM, FIRST ONE IS COUNTY IS COUNTY OF YORK.

POLICIES NUMBER 11 IS ELECTION TWO CONTI, UM, ELECTION TO CONTINUE THE HYBRID DISABILITY PLAN WITH STANDARD INSURANCE COMPANY.

NUMBER 12 IS, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, RENOVATION AND, UH, UH, BUILDING ADDITIONS.

NUMBER 13 IS COMMENDATION OF RETIRING EMPLOYEES.

NUMBER 14 IS THE COLEMAN BRIDGE ABUTMENT REPAIR ACCESS.

I THINK IT'S VDOT WANTS THAT, RIGHT? YES.

SO ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ANY OF THESE? I JUST, I JUST NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON 14.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT 14.

I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PULL 10.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.

SO LET ME UH, HIT 10 REAL QUICK.

YOU GOT 10 AND 14.

10 AND 14.

SO LET ME HIT 10.

AND THERE IS, IF I GET DOWN HERE AND FIND IT, I HOPE THIS THING, THAT PERSONAL PROCESS.

PROCESS, YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW.

HANG ON, HANG ON.

YEAH, JUST BEAR WITH ME AS I SCROLL THROUGH THIS TO .

WHAT I WANTED TO DO, 'CAUSE WE HAD TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE, UH, GONNA FUTURE BOARD MEMBERS.

I THINK WE GOT 'EM BOTH HERE AND THEN ALSO FOR THE, FOR MEMBERS, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE GONNA BE HERE, UH, IN THE NEXT YEAR.

THERE'S A THING HERE THAT DEALS WITH THE GENERAL POLICY FOR AS, UH, AS THE PERSONNEL.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS THIS.

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOARD AND ITS EMPLOYEES.

AND UNDERSTANDING IS I'M GONNA READ THIS STUFF.

SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BORING, BUT IT'S JUST YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT AND UNDERSTANDING

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IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND THAT ALL EMPLOYEES, THAT'S ALL EMPLOYEES ARE EMPLOYED AT THE WILL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD AND THAT NO EMPLOYMENT, UH, CONTRACT EXISTS.

OKAY? AND THEN IT GOES ON THE BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THAT'S THE, THE ELECTED BOARD HAS ASSIGNED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THE AUTHORITY TO MAINTAIN A PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PARDON ME, I GOT THE WRONG GLASSES ON.

RECRUITMENT, TESTING, DEVELOPMENT AND PLACEMENT OF NEW EMPLOYEES, ESTABLISHMENT OF EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, EMPLOYEE RELATIONS AND PERSONNEL RECORDS PROGRAMS, AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CA OF THE CLASSIFICATION AND PAY PLAN.

IT IS THE INTENT OF THIS POLICY TO INVEST THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

I WANNA MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR.

TO INVEST THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH ALL NECESSARY AUTHORITY TO MANAGE.

THEN THE WORD HERE IS MANAGE ALL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING THE DEPARTMENTS AND DIRECTORS.

SUCH AUTHORITY IS TO BE EXERCISED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED BUDGET.

THAT THE BUDGET'S BEING APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ANY POLICIES ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE POLICIES ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE HERE, IS WHAT WE VOTE ON.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND TAKE, OKAY.

AND ALL OTHER APPLICABLE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, PER THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MAY DELEGATE SUCH AUTHORITY AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO ASSIST IN THE MANAGEMENT OF PERSONNEL SYSTEM.

SO OFTEN, AND I'VE SEEN THIS AND IT CAN REALLY CAUSE OVER THE YEARS, THE 20 SOME YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WHERE NEW SUPERVISORS AND SOMETIMES OLD SUPERVISORS GET THE IDEA THAT THEY, THEY ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG DADDY RABBIT THAT THEY, THAT THEY DIRECT AND CONTROL.

THE, THE STAFF.

THEY DON'T OKAY.

INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS, TWO INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS, AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THREE INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS, DO NOT MANAGE THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS COUNTY.

NO.

THIS IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THE LEGAL APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH WE DO POLICY DICTATES THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR DOWN AT THIS END, OKAY.

OR WHOEVER WE PUT IN THERE IS THE MANAGER OF PERSONNEL.

SO SUPERVISORS FOR, FOR THIS REASON, AND THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES THE SAME THING.

I SEE LINDA FAIRMAN OUT HERE.

SO THE, THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF THE SAME POLICY SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH JUST CHAOS IN THE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OF THE EMPLOYEES.

SO A SUPERVISOR DOESN'T GO INTO A STAFF AND SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, SO YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, THAT YOU CANNOT DO.

IT IS UP TO THE ADMINISTRATOR TO DO THAT.

AND THE EMPLOYEES, AND THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT THE SUPERVISORS ACTUALLY EMPLOY.

ONE IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE OTHER IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THAT'S THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT THE COUNTY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EMPLOY.

SO ANY EFFECT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ON OUR EMPLOYEES OKAY.

IS GOING TO BE THROUGH OUR POLICIES AS WE STATED.

AND AS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND SHEILA, YOU, WHEN MEMBER LAST TIME I SAID, I CAN'T DICTATE TO THE ATTORNEY TO DO SOMETHING THAT, AND I SAID, NO, I CAN'T BECAUSE I NEEDED TO HAVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE AND ASK HIM TO DO STUFF.

AND AS SOON AS WE ALL AGREED, GUESS WHAT? HE JUST GOT A TASK.

AND THAT'S HOW HE, AND THEY WILL AGREE THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR TO FOLKS.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN EFFICIENTLY MANAGE AND EXECUTE OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WITHIN THE COUNTY.

OTHERWISE IT THEN IT BECOMES ACTUALLY, UH, IT BECOMES ACTUALLY A MANAGEMENT ISSUE.

UM, AND SO, UH, AND I'VE TOLD, UH, I'VE TOLD OVER THE YEARS, I'VE TOLD THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING THAT, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO IT.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, WE'RE ALL GOOD BECAUSE WE'VE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT AND WE'VE WORKED IT WELL.

I THINK SO.

OKAY, GOOD.

THAT WAS MY 10.

NOW YOU GOT, WHAT? 14 OR WHATEVER IT WAS? 14.

WHO HAS IT? I GOT IT.

14.

JUST, JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND.

WE, THE PROPOSAL IS ABOUT LEASING PROPERTY TO VDOT TO DO REPAIRS ON THE BRIDGE, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT FOR THE USE OF CONSTRUCTION AND EASEMENT.

WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE 'EM A TEMPORARY EASEMENT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS IS, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN, SO VDOT IS DOING SOME REPAIRS AROUND THE ABUTMENT OF THE COLEMAN BRIDGE.

UM, THEY DON'T NEED, THEY DON'T NEED AN EASEMENT, THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING PERMANENT.

AND ALL THEY NEED IS A TEMPORARY, UH, ACCESS TO THE AREA AROUND THERE FOR PURPOSES OF FACILITATING THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE'RE DOING IT AS A LEASE.

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SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GRANTING THEM, THE IDEA IS TO GRANT THEM A LEASE.

BUT I, I THINK YOU COULD, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT AS A CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, YOU COULD GET THE SAME RESULT.

IT'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO ACHIEVE THE SAME PURPOSE, I THINK.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE HRSD WE'RE GIVING 'EM A TEMPORARY LEASE FOR CONSTRUCTION.

I MEAN, A TEMPORARY EASEMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION HERE.

WE'RE LEASE.

I DON'T, WELL, THE BIG, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE FORMALITIES BECAUSE UNDER THE VIRGINIA CODES SPECIFICALLY LEASE TO ANOTHER PUBLIC BODY IS EXEMPTED FROM A LOT OF THE FORMAL REQUIREMENTS.

AND THEY ONLY WANT THIS FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

I JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, SO, UH, TAKE THE MOTION.

I'LL MOVE THE SAME CALENDAR.

MR. RON HAS MOVED THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

LET'S GO AHEAD.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. A IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

NOW THANKS FOR THE PATIENCE AND I'M GONNA NOW GO BACK TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD, AND THEN WE'LL FINISH OFF AFTER THAT.

THE LAST TWO NEW BUSINESS ITEMS. OKAY.

FIRST ONE BE DOUG ELLIS.

UM, MY NAME IS DOUG ELLIS.

I LIVE AT ONE 19 LITTLEJOHN ROAD IN QUEENS LAKE.

MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A UPPER YORK COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BEGINNING IN THE 1950S, UH, LONG BEFORE MODERN STORMWATER PRACTICES.

UH, SINCE THEN, QUEENS LAKE HAS SERVED AS A INFORMAL STORMWATER DRAINAGE COLLECTOR FOR THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS, AS WELL AS A PORTION OF I 64.

COUNTY ENGINEERS REFER TO THIS AREA AS A QUEENS LAKE BASIN.

AMENDING OF THE CURRENT STORMWATER CIP WILL ADDRESS REPAIRS TO THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE AND PERMITTING.

AND AS ONE, UH, OR, OR COMMUNITY CANNOT OR SHOULD NOT, SHOULDER ALONE.

THE PROPOSED PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP INCLUDES A COST SHARING PORTION FROM QUEENS LAKE, UH, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION FOR THE INITIAL COST AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE, AND IS THE BEST WAY TO ENSURE THE LAKE AND RESTORE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS PROTECTED IN THE LONG TERM.

A WIDE MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS COLLABORATE COLLABORATIVE AGREEMENT, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO ALSO SUPPORT THIS WITH A YES VOTE IN BOTH OUR MUTUAL INTERESTS FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY ACKNOWLEDGE WALTER ARIBA FOR HIS SUPPORT, AS WELL AS MR. MORGAN.

MR. BELLAMY, UH, STAFF MEMBER IS ROB KRIEGER, JOE BROGAN, TRAVIS RHODES, AND FUTURE SUPERVISOR DOUG HORO IN SUPPORT IN NEGOTIATING THIS AND WHAT WE HOPE IS A, IS A CREATIVE WAY TO TACKLE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

JACK DOOLEY, WELCOME.

JACK DOOLEY 1 65 WEST QUEENS DRIVE.

WAS THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS IN ALL THROUGH YORK COUNTY.

THAT'S AS FAR AS I GOT WITH THAT ROUTE.

SORRY, .

UH, I'M NOT A WRITER OR A POET.

UH, I WAS APPOINTED BY THE QUEENSLAND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AS THE, UH, STORMWATER CHAIR BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY WITH STORMWATER VIA OUR RAVINES, OUR LAKE, OUR POND, OUR DAM, OUR SPILLWAY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT AN OHOA, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY MORE LIKE A SOCIAL CLUB, BUT WE'RE A SOCIAL CLUB THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT 75% OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE, ARE MEMBERS.

UM, WE'RE ALSO A SOCIAL CLUB THAT OWNS A LAKE WITH A DAM AND HAS A STATE ROAD THAT GOES ACROSS IT THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT DAM.

UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE STATE CHANGED THE REGULATIONS ON DAM MAINTENANCE, ESSENTIALLY MOVING THE GOALPOST ON US AND FORCING US TO DO A MAJOR RE REHABILITATION OF THE DAM.

UM, FOR THE SAME REASON I WAS JUST DOWN AT THE NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS THE OTHER DAY, DOING SOME BUSINESS.

THEY'RE DOING A $6 MILLION REPAIR OF THEIR DAM.

MM-HMM, FOR THE SAME REASON, BECAUSE THE, THE STATE MOVED THE GOALPOSTS ON, ON MAINTAINING DAMS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MORGAN AND HIS STAFF FOR 21 MONTHS NOW ON A COLLABORATIVE, UH, PARTNERSHIP TO ADDRESS OUR STORMWATER ISSUES, WORKING IT TOGETHER.

UH, BECAUSE QUEENS LAKE, FRANKLY IS UNABLE TO DO IT ON OUR OWN, WE'VE BECOME INSOLVENT.

UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY LOBBIED SENATORS MASON NORMAN TO DE DELEGATE BATTEN, UH, WHICH HELPED US GET A MILLION DOLLARS OF STATE MONEY FUNDED TOWARDS THIS PROJECT AS WELL.

THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE HOPE THAT THE, UH, BOS WILL APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT.

I'D LIKE TO WISH, UH, BEST WISHES TO MR. ZAREMBA AND MORGAN, UH, AND THEIR RETIREMENT.

ALL THE BEST.

AND, UH, WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

ROBERT,

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BOB EVANS.

UH, HE'S NO LONGER HERE.

ALYSSA ADAMS. MELISSA ADAMS. OKAY.

WE SENT SOME FOLKS HOME IN THE TIME.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, LOU HARDING, IS THAT ONE OF THEM? HARDING GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

NO ONE NAMED HARDING.

COMPREHEND, UH, THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER.

I'LL CLOSE THAT.

AND, UH, SINCE NOW WE'VE DONE THAT, YOU GUYS CAN GO HOME IF YOU WANT.

I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA NOW KIND OF FINISH UP HERE SOME BITS AND PIECES BEFORE WE GO INTO LAST BIT.

UM, EXCEPT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE INTERESTED IN QUEEN LAKE.

UM, HANG ON A SECOND.

ARE WE PREPARED TO MOVE THAT RESOLUTION? YEAH.

MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU GONNA DO A NEW BUSINESS OR A NEW BUSINESS? WE'RE GOTTA DO NEW BUSINESS HERE IN A MINUTE.

NEW BUSINESS, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON.

THAT ONE'S NOT WORKING.

I BURIED PAPERWORK HERE.

OH, HANG ON.

GO AHEAD.

UM, AT THE COUNTY, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS REQUEST, SO I BET Y'ALL WANT ME TO MAKE A LONG FAREWELL SPEECH TONIGHT.

WHAT ABOUT THIS? WE'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE .

UM, WE'RE, WE, WERE DOING THE, UH, BOARD COMMENTS AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

SO I'LL JUST SAY IN MY FIRST MEETING, I, I TOLD YOU THAT MY PHILOSOPHY WAS THAT A STRONG ORGANIZATION IS BASED ON THREE THINGS, UH, PLAN OF ACTION TOOLS TO DO THE JOB AND GREAT PEOPLE.

I THINK WE'VE LARGELY COLLECTIVELY GOT THAT RIGHT IN RECENT YEARS, AND I THINK THAT'S THE BASIC RECIPE GOING FORWARD AS, UH, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE LEADERSHIP CHANGES.

I WISH EVERYBODY BEST.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE MY TIME HERE.

I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, AND I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

THANKS, NEIL.

THAT'S GREAT.

UH, COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT, UM, HAVING SE HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW MR. MORGAN AND HOW HE THINKS AND OPERATES AND WHAT AN ASSET HE'S BEEN TO THIS ORGANIZATION, I, I KNOW I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY IN MY OFFICE THAT, UM, HE'S GOING TO BE MISSED AND THAT HIS WISDOM WILL ALWAYS BE WELCOME AND HIS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS HISTORICAL AND INSTITUTIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF NOT ONLY GOVERNMENT, BUT THIS COMMUNITY, UM, WILL BE WELCOME.

UH, AND MY, MY PHONE FOR JUAN WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO HIM SHOULD HE WISH TO AVAIL HIMSELF OF IT.

SO WITH THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, JUMPING AROUND AS WE'VE BEEN DOING, I'M GONNA GO TO THE, UH, NEW BUSINESS ITEM 15, THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, SOMETIME EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG ASKED WATADA, THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.

THEY WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE BUS BUSINESS AND THEY WANTED WATADA TO TAKE OVER THEIR, THEIR ROUTE.

SO IN DOING THAT, THAT ALTERED THAT COMMUNITY SERVICE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE A PARTNER WITH JAMES CITY, COUNTY YORK, WILLIAMSBURG AS WELL.

SO WHAT THIS NEW AGREEMENT DOES IS IT REMOVES THEM AS A VOTING MEMBER.

THEY'RE STILL A BOARD MEMBER AND THEY STILL HAVE A VOICE AT THE TABLE, BUT IT REMOVES THEM AS A, UH, VOTING MEMBER.

THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS ACTION DOES TONIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

UH, ASK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE R 23 DASH 1 71.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

ROLL CALL.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 71 TO AMEND AND RESTATE THE COOPERATIVE SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM 16, QUEENS LAKE DAM.

MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT, RESOLUTION R 23 DASH ONE 70.

SO, UH, YOU HEARD, UM, OUR FRIENDS FROM QLCA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT.

THIS IS THE SECOND ITERATION OF, UH, OF A MEMORANDUM OF FIRST UNDERSTANDING AND NOW AGREEMENT.

UH, BASICALLY WE'VE ALL CONCLUDED THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THE COUNTY TO MANAGE THE ENGINEERING AND THE PROJECT

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CONSTRUCTION.

UH, THE NEW AGREEMENT, UH, MAINTAINS A, A COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THINGS, AND WE SEE THESE PROJECTS OCCURRING, UH, INCREMENTALLY OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HAD TO USE THAT WORD ONE TIME, CHAD.

AND, UM, THE, UH, AGREEMENT ALSO, UH, REQUIRES THE QLCA TO PROVIDE A ONE-TIME CAPITAL PAYMENT, AND AN ONGOING, UM, UH, MAINTENANCE CONTRIBUTION AS THE PROJECT GOES FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S THE WAY TO GO FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD PARTNERSHIP, AND I APPRECIATE HOW MUCH DOUG AND JACK HAVE PUT INTO MAKING THIS WORK.

QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

NO QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO COMMENT ON IT.

WELL HANG ON IF YOU THERE YET.

NOPE.

SO I'LL NEED A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION 23 1 70.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION, BUT, UH, YOU MADE MOTION OF COURSE.

HANG ON.

JUST GIVE ME, MADE THE MOTION.

A MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

SO CUTTING OUT COMMENTS.

SO THESE PUBLIC PRIVATE ARRANGEMENTS ALWAYS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY.

AND, UM, THERE'S COMPELLING ARGUMENTS WHY THIS ONE MAKES A LOT OF, A LOT OF SENSE.

UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FINANCIAL SKIN IN THE GAME HERE, THE CAPITAL COST, AS WELL AS ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

AND, BUT ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION THAT I SAW THAT SOMEBODY HAD, HAD NOTED IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENTATION I DON'T WANNA GET OVERLOOKED, IS THAT NOW THIS DAM WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO YORK COUNTY'S HAVING ANY STORM WATER, UM, MAINTENANCE, UM, UM, UM, PLANS.

PLANS IN PLACE.

AND ESSENTIALLY THE LAKE KINDA ACTS AS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT WE WOULD'VE HAD ESTABLISHED IF, IF THIS WAS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

SO SINCE IT WAS, IT'S KIND OF A COUNTY THING ANYWAY, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY IT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS PUBLIC PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT TO WORK OUT.

AND I DIDN'T WANT THAT O OVER OVERLOOKED.

UM, UM, SINCE IT CAME BEFORE PUBLIC STORMWATER, IT'S, IT IS BEING USED AS SUCH.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED AS SUCH.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, I DIDN'T WANT THAT OVERLOOKED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I DO WANT TO, UH, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, EVERYONE, 'CAUSE YOU THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.

UH, ABOUT WHEN THINGS WERE ESTABLISHED.

UM, MANY OF YOU REMEMBER ANNA DRAKE WAS HERE.

, ANNA DRAKE WAS THE REAL EXPERT ON THIS.

AND, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED DIGGING DITCHES OR HOLES IN THE GROUND AND CALLING THEM, WE CALLED THEM LAKES, AND THEN THEY BECAME KNOWN AS BMPS BMPS.

AND, UH, WE GOT REAL FANCY, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS.

AND IT WAS LIKE, WHY DID YOU DIG THIS BIG HOLE ON THE GROUND AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, THAT WAS THE ANSWER FOR COLLECTING PHOSPHORUS, RIGHT? WHICH IS A NATURAL ELEMENT.

ANYWAY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WERE COLLECTING PHOSPHORUS.

AND THEN HE THREW IN NITRATES AND THEN, AND THEN THIS TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD THING CAME, CAME AROUND.

AND, UH, AND, UH, IT WAS INTERESTING.

AND I KEPT PRESSING ANNA, LIKE, ANNA, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT? WHAT IS MAIN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS.

WELL, THEN, LO AND BEHOLD, ABOUT 10 YEARS AFTER I STARTED THAT, A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT POPS UP AND NOW BMPS THESE PONDS WITH THE HOLES IN IT ARE NOW NOT JUST COLLECTING PHOSPHORUS, BUT THEY'RE CORRECTING SEDIMENT.

AND THERE IS A ESTABLISHED MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS OR ANYBODY THAT DIGS ONE OF THESE THINGS, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE THEN AND MAINTAIN IT.

AND SO THE IMPORTANCE I THINK OF THIS IS THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A COMMUNITY WITH LIKE THIS TO HAVE A SYSTEM FAIL.

OKAY? UH, I THINK IN THE END, IT WOULD AFFECT OUR TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD REQUIREMENTS AND INCREASE.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, GUESS WHAT? YOU GOT A TAX BILL.

AND I REMEMBER BACK WHEN IT STARTED OFF WITH IT, OUR TAX BILL FOR YOUR COUNTY, BECAUSE OF OUR SHORELINE AND TO THE CHESAPEAKE BAY, WAS GONNA BE ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

OKAY? AND SO WE'VE BEEN INCHING UP TO THIS, TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, AND THEY'VE BEEN GETTING, LETTING US GET AWAY WITH THIS.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO DO TO HELP SOLVE, SOLVE A PROBLEM FOR QUEENS LAKE AND, AND FOR THE COUNTY AND CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY.

SO THAT WAS THE COMMENTS MADE, MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

NO MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

YEAH, YOU DID.

DID I MAKE YEAH, HE MADE IT .

THAT'S WHY WE GOT THE COMMENTARY.

THERE'S A SENIOR MOMENT HERE.

YES, YOU MADE IT.

IT'S LATE.

MATE, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ZUMBA IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 1 70 TO EXECUTE THE SECOND AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF YORK AND QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION REGARDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF THE QUEENS LAKE DRAINAGE BASIN.

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I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.

GETTING THAT SIGN IN SEAFORD, UH, UP.

SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO MANAGE, PRESENTED BY THE BOARD AND MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.

WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? CHAD? UH, I'LL GO.

YEAH, SURE.

AND I'M GONNA START, AS I ALWAYS DO WITH MS. NOLL.

SHEILA, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.

YOUR EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE ISSUES, UH, HAS JUST BEEN REALLY GREAT.

UH, YOUR EXPERIENCE AND JUST YOUR OVERALL DEMEANOR AND YOUR SMILE.

THERE'S BEEN MANY TIMES ON THE BOARD THAT I JUST LOOK OVER AT YOU AND YOU JUST SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND JUST SMILE.

AND THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEEN GREAT.

YOU'VE BEEN SUPER TO WORK WITH BOTH YEARS.

WELL, MOVING ON, MOVING ON TO YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT FRIEND, A TRUE CONSERVATIVE.

UH, YOU'RE THE MODERN DAY PATRICK HENRY OF THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH, UH, YOUR, YOUR RHETORIC.

UH, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT.

MY ONLY, UH, MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE MORE TIME TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE BOARD.

I WISH YOU THE BEST OF SUCCESS IN YOUR, UH, RETIREMENT IN YOUR NEXT, UH, VENTURE.

STEVE, YOU ASK SOME OF THE BEST QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE ONE OF THE GREATEST ANALYTICAL MINDS OF ANYBODY THAT I'VE EVER DEALT WITH.

UH, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON POINT.

AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MOVING FORWARD IS IN GOOD HANDS, UH, IN THE, THIS NEXT FOUR YEARS.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND HAVE ENJOYED SO MUCH WORKING WITH YOU.

THANK YOU, TOM.

I, I, WHERE DO I START? YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON THAT YOU RUN YEAR AFTER YEAR UNOPPOSED.

AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU DO SUCH A GREAT JOB.

YOU LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE YOU CONDUCT, THE, THE MEETINGS WITH JUST ULTIMATE PROFESSIONALISM.

AND YOU ALWAYS SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GONNA GET PUBLIC INPUT.

AND IT'S, IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, AS I'VE SIT HERE, THERE'VE BEEN MANY TIMES AND SOMEBODY'S BEEN SAYING SOMETHING, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'LL PIPE UP AND YOU'LL SAY EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING, BUT IN A MORE ELOQUENT MANNER.

UH, AND IT'S JUST BEEN, IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL.

UH, AND I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, TELL YOU HOW FORTUNATE IT HAS BEEN TO BE WORKING WITH A, A TRUE PROFESSIONAL AND A GREAT SUPERVISOR LIKE YOU.

UH, LAST PERSON WHO'S NOT HERE I WANNA MENTION IS, UH, JEFF WASSER.

UH, HE WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN I STARTED, AND, UH, HE DID A GREAT JOB.

HE BROUGHT, UH, A DEGREE OF, UH, PROFESSIONALISM FROM THE BUSINESS WORLD, AND, UH, HE TAUGHT ME MANY LIFE LESSONS.

SO I WANTED TO MOVE INTO OUR INCREMENTALIST, NEIL MORGAN.

NEIL, I'M GONNA SAY YOU'RE THE BEST COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN VIRGINIA, AND, UH, A MASTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

AND IT'S BEEN A REAL, UH, PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH, UH, YOU AND, UH, YOU'VE TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT THE INCREMENTAL, AND YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT BE CLOSE ON THE INCREMENTAL, BUT I'M, I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET.

BUT, UH, ANYWAY, MARK BELLAMY, UH, YOU'RE A PERSON THAT I ALWAYS CALLED, ALWAYS GOT THINGS DONE.

UH, YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND THE WORKING, THE WORKINGS OF THE COUNTY AS IS JUST OUTSTANDING.

AND, UM, THE, YOU STEPPING UP AND BEING A NEW ACTING COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE COUNTY'S IN GOOD HANDS WITH A, A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON LIKE YOU, IT'S BEEN A, A REAL PRIVILEGE ALSO WORKING WITH, UH, SOMEONE AS PROFESSIONAL AS YOU.

BRIAN FULLER, UH, MOVING ON TO HIM.

UH, WE STARTED WORKING TOGETHER ON THE, UH, 4TH OF JULY COMMITTEE YEARS AGO WITH BILL TOWNSLEY.

AND, UH, UH, THAT WAS QUITE, QUITE A, UH, ADVENTURE.

AND IT'S BEEN, UH, FUN, UH, WORKING WITH YOU.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE A SMILE AND TAKE CARE OF, UH, BUSINESS IN A, IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER.

SECOND TO NONE, TERRY HALL, YOU ARE THE BEST EMS DIRECTOR IN VIRGINIA.

YOU'RE A PERSON THAT I CAN ALWAYS CALL AND WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHO CAN, UH, IF, IF THEY DON'T, THEY CAN SHOOT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND WE'RE REAL FORTUNATE TO HAVE A, A PROFESSIONAL EMS PERSON, UH, LIKE YOURSELF.

THERESA OWENS.

THERESA, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A GREAT FINANCE DIRECTOR.

I KNOW EVERY YEAR I STARTED IN OCTOBER, UH, I MISSED THIS YEAR, BUT I ALWAYS TELL YOU, HEY, HOW ABOUT THAT TAX BREAK? AND, UH, YOU ALWAYS SAY, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT, UH, JUST THE, THE JOB YOU'VE DONE IN STRAIGHTENING UP THEIR FINANCES AND, AND GETTING US ON A GOOD, UH, GOOD PATH HAS BEEN JUST SUPER.

SO, UM, ROB KRIEGER, ROB, GREAT, GREAT PUBLIC WORKS.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE CALLED ME.

AND WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU DELIVER A, A LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SUPER.

UH, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE IN YORK COUNTIES HAVE COME TO EXPECT.

AND, UH, YOU, YOU DELIVER THAT.

AND IT'S, IT'S GREAT.

IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH YOU.

IT'S BEEN GREAT

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AND, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.

UH, WE SPENT THERE.

TIM CROSS ISN'T HERE TONIGHT.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH TIM OVER THE LAST, IT SEEMED LIKE 10 YEARS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

UH, BUT TIM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

HE'S A TRUE PROFESSIONAL.

WILLIAM AND MARY GRAD WHO STAYED IN THE AREA.

AND, UH, HE'S, HE'S A SUPER GUY.

REALLY WANTED TO THANK HIM FOR ALL HIS HARD WORK.

UH, EARL ANDERSON.

WHERE'S EARL AT EARL LEAVE? YEAH, EARL, EARL WANTED TO SAY THE SAME THING.

UH, DONE A SUPER JOB AND HOW GREAT IT HAS BEEN TO, TO WORK WITH YOU.

UM, HEATHER AND DIANE, I CANNOT THINK OF TWO BETTER PEOPLE TO, UH, HELP WITH THE BOARD.

ANYTIME WE HAVE A QUESTION, WHETHER IT BE A, A BILL OR SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, YOU'RE ALWAYS RIGHT ON TOP OF IT AND REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND IT'S HARD NOT TO LOOK OVER AT YOU AND, UH, SMILE OR LAUGH.

SO, UH, IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT WITH, UH, MR. DRURY, I, I, I THINK HE'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, SERIOUS IN HIS, UH, POKER FACE.

UH, WANTED TO ALSO THANK DARREN WILLIAMS AND, UH, KEVIN RICHIE AND, UH, CAPTAIN SCRUGGS.

THEY RUN THE WATERFRONT.

THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

WHEN WE, WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE HAD NO PLAN FOR THE WATERFRONT.

WE FORMULATED A PLAN, WE GOT THE DOCKS, UH, UP AND RUNNING.

WE GOT A REAL PROFESSIONAL CREW DOWN THERE.

THEY DO SUCH A SUPER JOB.

SO ANYWAY, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, CHAD, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MOVING ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS.

WELL, THEY MIGHT BE BIGGER, BUT THEY'RE NOT BETTER BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THERE IS NO BETTER JOB IN THIS WORLD THAN BEING A YORK COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND WORKING WITH THESE GROUP OF SUPERVISORS AND THIS STAFF.

AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.

AND I WANT TO, UH, ALSO, WAYNE AND, UH, DOUG, YOU GUYS, IF YOU HAVE HALF AS MUCH FUN AS I HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WITH THIS GROUP, IT'LL ALL BE WORTH IT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING GREAT THINGS FROM YOU.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT THE, THAT AND THE RESPECTIVE AND, AND GOVERNMENT THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT, UH, FROM THE SUPERVISORS.

THE LAST THING, I'LL, I'LL END WITH THIS, UH, QUICK STORY.

I GET A CALL AND, UH, THIS WAS A COUPLE YEARS BACK AND I'D ALREADY RUN FOR REELECTION.

I GET A CALL FROM A LADY AND, UH, SHE SAYS, MR. WIGGINS SAYS, I'VE GOT A DITCH THAT DIDN'T RUN, AND I'VE GOT A LINE OF SIGHT ISSUE.

SO, I MEAN, MR. WIGGINS WAS MY PREDECESSOR, AND HE, UH, HAS, HAS SINCE MOVED ON.

UH, BUT I WENT OUT THERE, WE GOT IT FIXED.

ROB KRIEGER WENT OUT THERE AND GOT, GOT EVERYTHING SQUARED AWAY FOR HER.

AND SHE, SHE WAS VERY HAPPY AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SHE MAY NOT KNOW WHETHER IT WAS ME OR, OR WHO IT WAS THAT SHE CALLED, BUT SHE KNOWS THAT IT WAS THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT GOT THINGS GOING AND GOT HER PROBLEM FIXED.

AND FOR THAT, I, I THANK EVERYONE.

SO GREAT.

THANK YOU CHAD.

SHEILA, UH, THAT'S A PRETTY BAD SPOT FOR ME TO BE IN RIGHT NOW AFTER FOLLOWING WHAT CHAD HAS SAID.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, I'LL KEEP IT SHORT.

THEY SAY THAT, UM, ALL GOOD THINGS COME IN THREES, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THREE GENTLEMEN HERE TONIGHT OR THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFE AND AN EXCITING LIFE, DEPENDING WHICH WAY THAT THEY WANNA GO.

AND I WISH WAL FAIR WINDS AND A FOLLOWING SEA.

DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT TO YOU? MM-HMM.

AND MAY YOU AND LAUREL ENJOY THIS NEW PHASE OF YOUR LIFE'S ADVENTURE.

AND KEEP IN TOUCH BECAUSE I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, BOTH YOUR SERVICE IN THE MILITARY AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.

THANKS YOU.

SO MUCH IS THE WAY YOU HAVE MENTORED PEOPLE WORKING FOR YOU, AND GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND EXPAND AND MOVE INTO NEW JOBS, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BEST, I'M NOT FINISHED YET.

I HAVE .

UH, AM I DOING OKAY? ALRIGHT.

YOU'RE DOING GOOD.

NEIL , I, I WANNA SAY TO YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY WHILE YOU'VE BEEN HERE.

I DON'T LIKE TO SAY GOODBYE, AND I'M TRULY SORRY THAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO RETIRE, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR LIFE AFTER SERVING IN THE GOVERNMENT.

AND I CAN JUST SAY THAT YOU HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE COUNTY, WHY YOU'VE BEEN HERE.

YOU HAVE REALLY, WHAT I'VE APPRECIATED

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AND YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, AND YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE TIME TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AND COUNSEL THEM.

AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, A MARVELOUS ATTRIBUTE.

REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED HERE.

YOU'VE GOT TO, BUT I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU HAVE MADE A MARK HERE THAT IS INDELIBLE.

AND I, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU AND JOANNE HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PLAYING PICKLEBALL ALL THE TIME.

BUT, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO KEEP YOU GOING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A MIND THAT NEEDS NOT TO ATROPHY.

YOU NEED, YOU HAVE A MIND THAT CAN HELP OTHERS AS YOU'VE HELPED US.

AND THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND MARK, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEW ROLE AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GREAT THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THAT JOB.

NOW IT'S YOUR TURN.

HEY, TALK TO THE MEAT.

ALL GOOD, NOW YOU'RE GOOD.

WAS A, A LONG-TERM, UH, MEMBER OF THE, OF THE REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE.

SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, I'VE BEEN THE NEW GUY ON, ON THE BOARD.

AND SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY HERE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A, A PRETTY TRANSITIONAL, UH, TRANSITIONAL SEASON HERE.

WE'VE SEEN SOME SENIOR MEMBERS OF COUNTY STAFF KIND OF ROLL OFF AND MOVE ON TO NEW THINGS.

WE'VE SEEN A LONG TIME COUNTY ATTORNEY RETIRE, MOVE ON AND WELCOME A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE AND HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND WE'RE SEEING TWO BOARD MEMBERS GETTING READY TO MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS AS WELL AS THEIR, OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DOING THE SAME THING.

SO EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN HERE SHORT TIME WITH EVERYBODY, I HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED THE TIME WE'VE HAD TOGETHER.

I'VE LEARNED A GREAT DEAL AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY I CAN TAKE ALL THAT FORWARD WITH ME OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS TO HELP, UM, HELP ME WITH THE DECISION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTY.

UM, CHAD, I AM REALLY GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE MOVING ON TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY REPRESENTING US DOWN HERE AS A THRILLED TO FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ONE OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES AFTER THE ELECTION DAY.

AND, UM, AND, AND KNOW THAT YOU'RE UP THERE AND I KNOW I GOT SOMEBODY I KNOW I CAN CALL AND, AND CHAT WITH AND, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING OUT FIRST DOWN HERE, I'LL ANSWER THE PHONE AND YOU'LL ANSWER THE PHONE, RIGHT.

UM, AND, UM, WALT, IT'S BEEN GREAT GETTING TO KNOW YOU AS WELL.

I'M ASSUMING THAT, UH, YOU'LL BE EVEN BUSIER IN YOUR LAW FIRM NOW THAT YOU HAVE ALL THIS FREE TIME ON YOUR HAND AFTER STEPPING AWAY FROM THE BOARD.

I'VE, I'VE HEARD SOME PEOPLE ALREADY TALK TO YOU MAKING APPOINTMENTS ALREADY, SO I'LL BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME RIGHT, RIGHT AT BEHIND THAT PODIUM.

VERY RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

I DON'T LIKE WHAT I HEAR.

IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE YOU UP HERE.

AND, UM, NEIL, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO EXPECT TO SEE YOU IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS A WORLD FAMOUS PICKLEBALL PLAYER ON THE, ON THE ESPN.

AND I WANT TO GET YOU AUTOGRAPH SOMETHING HERE SO THAT WHEN YOU GET FAMOUS, I CAN SELL EBAY, MAKE SOME MONEY LATER ON.

SO, SO YOU, YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT TIME IN WHATEVER YOU DO DO LATER ON.

AND, UM, AND, UM, THANKS FOR THE TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, I, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS SAID, OKAY? JUST KNOW THAT MY SENTIMENTS ARE THE SAME.

I LOVE YOU GUYS.

OKAY? JULIE, WE ARE A TEAM.

I THINK THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY ARE GENERALLY PLEASED WITH THE TEAM.

I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.

REMEMBER WHO WE WORK FOR, OKAY? WE DON'T WORK FOR ONE ANOTHER.

WE WORK FOR ABOUT 71 OR 72,000 PEOPLE THAT MAKE UP THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS OF YOUR COUNTY.

AND THEY DESERVE OUR BEST EFFORTS IN TERMS OF MAKING YOUR COUNTY WHAT IT IS.

I HAVE ANSWERED THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION MANY TIMES, OKAY? WHILE I WAS STILL ON ACTIVE DUTY, WALT, WEREN'T YOU, LAUREL GONNA RETIRE.

YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE WORLD 12 TIMES.

WHERE ARE YOU GONNA RETIRE? OKAY, ONCE UPON A TIME, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA RETIRE IN SAN ANTONIO, BEAUTIFUL BIG CITY.

OKAY? THAT'S BEFORE WE HAD AN ASSIGNMENT DOWN THE ROAD AT TRADOC FORT MONROE IN UPPER EUSTIS.

OKAY? AND SO WHEN I GIVE SOME THOUGHT TO WHAT, WHERE AM I GONNA RETIRE, MY ANSWER WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE THAN THAN YOUR COUNTY.

BUT MY 33 YEARS OF TRAVERSING THE, THE PLANET, I CAN'T THINK OF WHERE THAT PLACE IS.

AND SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE PICKED ONE HELL OF A DAMN GOOD PLACE TO RETIRE, OKAY? AND I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO A GUY BY THE NAME OF COLONEL, RETIRED AIR FORCE, BOB WALKER.

HE'S UP IN ARLINGTON RIGHT NOW, AND PROBABLY RIGHT UP IN HEAVEN, OKAY? BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST RETIRED, FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO IS GET INVOLVED WITH POLITICS.

SO THERE WAS THE YORK COUNTY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE, UH, AND BOB WAS A NEIGHBOR OF MINE UP THERE.

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AND HE SAYS, WALT, AND BECAUSE WE LIVE CLOSE TOGETHER, WE, WE SHARED OUR, OUR OUR VEHICLES BACK AND FORTH TO YORK COUNTY.

AND HE SAID, WALT WALT, YOU GOTTA RUN, YOU GOTTA RUN BOB.

FOR WHAT? FOR THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WHY IS THAT, BOB? BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTTA CONTROL.

THEY'RE OUTTA CONTROL.

HE NEVER WOULD SAY WHO WAS OUTTA CONTROL, BUT EXCEPT THEY WERE OUTTA CONTROL.

OKAY? I SUSPECT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT TAXES.

ALRIGHT? BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, I FINALLY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION WITH BOB WALKER, GOD BLESS HIS SOUL, OKAY, THAT BOB, I'LL RUN.

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS, BUT I'LL RUN IF YOU ARE MY UNPAID CLERK TO DO ALL THE RUNNING AROUND SINCE I'M TRYING TO GET A LAW FIRM OFF THE GROUND.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SO, BOB, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, OKAY? DID MOST OF MY WORK IN PREPARATION FOR THESE BOARD MEETINGS WHILE I WAS TRYING TO GET ALL PRACTICES OFF THE GROUND.

BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS IN HEAVEN LOOKING DOWN AT US SAYING, YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS AND GALS, JERSEY, JERSEY, COMMENT ABOUT GUYS, OKAY? UH, I THINK WE HAVE ONE HELL OF A GREAT COUNTY.

AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANY ONE OF US.

IT'S BECAUSE OF THE FIVE OF US ON THE BOARD, THAT ATTORNEY THERE AND HIS PREDECESSOR, EVERY MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY STAFF, WE ALL MAKE YORK COUNTY WHAT IT IS.

AND YOU GOTTA BE PROUD OF WHAT WE ARE, OKAY? AND I LOVE YOU ALL, WHETHER YOU'RE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY OR CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY, UH, I COULDN'T HAVE PICKED A BETTER SECOND LIFE AFTER 33 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY THAN BEING ON THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE LAST 28 YEARS WITH MY DEAR FRIEND SHIELD.

WE BOTH HAD 20 YEARS, 28 YEARS, RIGHT? SO GOD BLESS YOU ALL, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SERVE WHILE I HAVE SERVED, OKAY? OKAY, GREAT.