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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME
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TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR NOVEMBER THE 21ST.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? OKAY.
INVOCATION TONIGHT WILL BE BY PASTOR DOUG ECKLES FROM THE BE BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH.
PASTOR DOUG, COME UP AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CHURCH AND WELCOME.
UH, BEEN, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 13 YEARS THIS MONTH, SO I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA KEEP ME FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1841 AND, UM, WE'RE, UH, CONTINUING TO GROW, CONTINUE TO SEE NEW PEOPLE COME, AND WE HAVE SERVICES, UH, EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING AND 11 O'CLOCK.
BOTH, BOTH SERVICES ARE IDENTICAL AND, UH, LOTS OF ACTIVITIES FOR THE CHILDREN AND ACTIVITIES FOR ADULTS OF ALL AGES.
SO NOW IF I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU ALSO, UH, YOU ALLOW TAB HIGH SCHOOL TO USE YOUR, YOUR BALL FIELD OUT IN THE BACK TOO, SO THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH TAB AND THEY, UH, THEY COME OVER, USE THE BALL FIELD.
THEY'RE, THEY GIRLS ENSEMBLES COMING OVER TO SING FOR US IN DECEMBER, SO GREAT.
ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S PRAY TOGETHER.
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US.
FATHER, WE KNOW THAT EVERY GOOD AND PERFECT GIFT COMES FROM ABOVE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY AS CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE, YOUR MERCY, FOR YOUR LOVE DURING THIS MONTH.
WE THANK YOU, FATHER, FOR THE VETERANS, FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE WORN THE UNIFORM TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS AND OUR FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE AS AMERICANS.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE AND FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT EACH OF THEM HAVE MADE FOR US AS WE PREPARE TO GATHER WITH OUR FAMILIES IN A COUPLE OF DAYS, WE CELEBRATE THANKSGIVING AND WE ARE REMINDED OF THE PSALMIST WHO SAID, ENTER HIS GATES WITH THANKSGIVING AND HIS COURTS WITH PRAISE.
GIVE THANKS TO HIM AND BLESS HIS NAME.
SO WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US AND ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE WITH US.
FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE TONIGHT.
WE PRAY FOR GODLY WISDOM, FOR THOSE WHO WILL BE MAKING DECISIONS.
WE PRAY FOR COURAGE, BOLDNESS FOR THOSE WHO WILL BE SPEAKING.
WE PRAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID AND EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE IN THIS PLACE WILL BE SEASONED WITH GRACE AND WITH TRUTH.
FATHER, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF OUR COUNTY, FOR THOSE WHO SERVE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE PRAY, FATHER, FOR ALL THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY TONIGHT, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING FOR IT'S IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
PASTOR DOUG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ALL THE BEST OF THE CHURCH.
IF I COULD GET EVERYONE, IF YOU'RE CAPABLE, PLEASE RISE FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WITNESSES.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UH, IT SAYS WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION
[1* Employee Service Recognitions. Receive presentation from Mark Bellamy, Deputy County Administrator. ]
AND ALL I HAVE HERE IS THAT, UH, WE'LL RECEIVE A PRESENTATION FROM MARK BELLAMY, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.UH, TONIGHT WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU IS THE EMPLOYEE, UH, SERVICE RECOGNITION.
TYPICALLY DO THIS A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, RECOGNIZING EMPLOYEES THAT ARE CELEBRATING SIGNIFICANT, UH, ANNIVERSARIES WITH THE COUNTY AND, UH, AND FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS.
SO TONIGHT WE WILL GET ALL THE WAY TO 40 YEARS, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL, BUT WE, WE WILL MAKE IT OUR FIRST, UH, 20 YEAR, UH, SERVICE IS JOANNE MO NEWBORN.
SHE STARTED BACK, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT AS AN OFFICE ASSISTANT.
AND TODAY WHAT SHE DOES FOR US IS A WEBMASTER.
SHE'S WORKED ON IMPROVEMENTS IN MODERNIZATIONS OF, UH, THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND MOST RECENTLY THE TRANSITION TO CIVIC PLUS, WHICH YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF.
UH, SHE'S ALSO BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN, UH, THE COUNTY'S UNITED WAY FUNDRAISING.
SHE'S BEEN A BIG PART OF THAT TEAM AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF ALL THAT, ALL THE WORK THAT SHE'S DONE.
SO WE, WE THANK JOANNE AND CONGRATULATE HER ON HER 20 YEARS.
OUR NEXT 20 YEAR, UH, SERVICE IS MITCH MONROE.
MITCH IS ASSIGNED AS A SUPERVISOR FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUREAU, SERVING THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
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HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSIGHT OF ALL FUNCTIONS RELATED TO ANIMAL SERVICES, AND HE ALSO SERVES ON THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE FOR THE PENINSULA REGIONAL ANIMAL SHELTER.MICHAEL S. BROWN, SENIOR FIREFIGHTER.
AND MIKE IS ASSIGNED TO FIRE STATION SIX IN SEAFORD.
UH, HE IS A SENIOR FIREFIGHTER.
NOT ONLY DOES HE DO THE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT A FIREFIGHTER TO DO, BUT HE'S ALSO A PUMP OPERATOR, A LADDER OPERATOR, AND A BOAT OPERATOR.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY WORK SOME ODD HOURS, SO HE HAS A LITTLE TIME AVAILABLE AND FOR MOST OF HIS LIFE, HE'S WORKED ON THE WATER, WHICH MAKES HIM VERY VALUABLE TO THE BOAT TEAM.
SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF MIKE AND HIS SERVICE TO THE COUNTY.
JASON STUMP, UH, FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS OUR NEXT 20 YEAR SERVICE, UH, VETERAN HERE.
JASON STARTED ON THE UNIFORM PATROL, UH, IN 2003.
HE'S AN INVESTIGATOR AND A PROPERTY CUSTODIAN.
UH, RECENTLY IN 2023, HE WAS AWARDED THE CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATOR OF THE YEAR, AND HE SCORED PERFECT SCORES ON HIS RE-ACCREDITATION THE LAST TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
SO A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THAT TEAM.
RON DIXON IS OUR NEXT, UH, 20 YEAR RECIPIENT.
RON WORKS AS A CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE WORKER IN, UH, STORMWATER.
HE STARTED WITH US IN 2003 AND HE BRINGS A TON OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT STORMWATER CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE.
AND HE IS, UH, OFTEN ASKED TO STEP UP INTO A LEADERSHIP ROLE WHEN, WHEN WE'RE SHORT PEOPLE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE A LOT LATELY.
MIKE RUSSELL IS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL.
MIKE WAS INITIALLY EMPLOYED AS A UNIFORM PATROL DEPUTY IN 2003.
HE HAS ALSO SERVED AS A CRIME PREVENTION DEPUTY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER, A DARE DEPUTY, AND HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO SERGEANT IN, UH, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND I KNEW MIKE WHEN HE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF POCOS BEFORE HE CAME AND GOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT BOUNDARY LINE.
MICHELLE ANO, SHE'S A MANAGEMENT ANALYST IN COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND SHE STARTED HER CAREER, UH, BACK IN 2003 AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE TECHNICIAN IN THE JUVENILE SERVICES DIVISION.
UH, OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES, UH, MICHELLE HAS ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL COMMITTEES, UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE V TEAM, UH, CONTINUOUS SERVICE IMPROVEMENT, UH, THE GOAT GREEN INITIATIVE.
YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT AS MM-HMM.
UH, SHE IS PRESENTLY ENGAGED NETWORKING ACTIVITIES AND CONTRIBUTES TO MULTIPLE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
MICHELLE'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS EVIDENT THROUGH HER GRADUATION FROM THE EMERGING LEADERS ACADEMY AND THE ATTAINMENT OF HER MASTER CERTIFICATE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT FROM VIRGINIA TECH IN 2017.
UM, MICHELLE REGULARLY UPDATES US ON STATE BUDGET ISSUES, SO WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF HER WORK.
ASHTON WOODY WORKS AS A PUMP STATION MECHANIC IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION OF UTILITIES.
AND, UH, HIS ROUTE IS COMPRISED OF 21 PUMP STATIONS, SO HE HAS 21 OF THOSE FACILITIES HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, HE ALSO WORKS AS A ON-CALL TECHNICIAN FOR GRINDER PUMPS.
UH, HE HAS A LOT TO DO, A LOT TO DO, AND WHEN HE'S NOT DOING THAT, HE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HIS FAMILY AND WATCHING FOOTBALL.
CATHERINE LAMORE WORKS, UH, IN THE 9 1 1 CENTER WITH MR. HALL.
SHE HAS RECEIVED SEVEN LIFESAVING AWARDS.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S CONSIDERABLE AND SHE ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HER FAMILY.
AND SOME OF HER HOBBIES INCLUDE HIKING AND GOING TO DIFFERENT THEME PARTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
DIANE MASON IS A NAVY VETERAN.
SHE'S RECEIVED SEVERAL ACCOMMODATIONS TO INCLUDE THE LIFESAVING AWARDS, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED WITH CATHERINE.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, SHE'S HAD, UH, DONE SOME WORK GIVING INSTRUCTIONS ON CHILDBIRTH OVER THE PHONE.
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SO SHE LIKES TO SPEND TIME WITH HER GRANDDAUGHTERS AND TRAVELING TO KENTUCKY WHERE HER FAMILY IS NEXT ON TO 25 YEARS.
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IS LIEUTENANT IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.UH, HE STARTED OBVIOUSLY BACK IN 1998 AS A UNIFORM PATROL DEPUTY, AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, HE'S BEEN A CRIME PREVENTION DEPUTY, A SERGEANT IN A UNIFORM PATROL, AND AS I MENTIONED, HE CURRENTLY IS OR I SERVES IN THE, IN THE RANK OF A LIEUTENANT.
AARON SERVES AS EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER ROLES IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
JEFF MET AS A PUMP STATION MECHANIC IN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.
JEFF STARTED WITH US BACK IN 1998, ORIGINALLY IN MOSQUITO CONTROL, AND THEN HE TRANSFERRED TO UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND IN HIS ROLE, HE HAS 17 PUMP STATIONS TO, UH, MAINTAIN.
AND HE'S CURRENTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE COUNTY MAINTAINED FIRE HYDRANTS, WATER METERS, AND HE DOES, UH, WATER SERVICE CUTOFFS AND DISCONNECTS AS WELL.
AND IN JEFF'S SPARE TIME, HE AND HIS FAMILY LIKE TO VISIT DISNEY WORLD SPARE TIME.
MATTIA DIXON IS A DELINQUENT TAX COLLECTION ADMINISTRATOR FOR CANDACE, AND MS. DIXON HAS HELD MULTIPLE POSITIONS IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE DURING HER TENURE, AND SHE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO TAKE ON SOME MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
UH, CANDACE TELLS US THAT HER KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN THE OFFICE IS INVALUABLE AND SHE IS TRULY AN ASSET TO THAT OFFICE.
SO WE APPRECIATE HER 25 YEARS OF SERVICE.
DUSTY WILLIAMS, THE FIREFIGHTER, UH, AT STATION SEVEN, THE NEWEST STATION, AND HE'S ON A SHIFT.
AND PRIOR TO HIS CURRENT ASSIGNMENT, HE'D BEEN AT STATION THREE AT BRUTON.
DUSTY ALWAYS TAKES PRIDE IN HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND ESPECIALLY THE BRUTON SKIM AND MOTOWN FIRE STATION RESPONSE DISTRICTS.
HE'S A SEASONED AND RELIABLE MEMBER OF HIS SHIFT, WHO SERVES AS A FIREFIGHTER, A PUMP OPERATOR, AERIAL LADDER OPERATOR, AND AEMS PROVIDER.
AND HE HAS ALWAYS HAD A POSITIVE APPROACH TO ANYTHING HE'S GIVEN.
GREAT, A GREAT ASSET TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
30 YEAR EMPLOYEES INCLUDE, UH, CAPTAIN KERR AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
HE WAS AN AUXILIARY OFFICER FOR A FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE STARTED WITH THE COUNTY, SO HE IS GOT A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN 30 YEARS, UH, IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, HE'S BEEN TO MANY DIVISIONS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SOME, UH, BEING CORRECTIONS, COURT SECURITY INVESTIGATORS, SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT IN THE UNIFORMED PATROL.
UH, JEFF IS ALSO AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER AND A MEMBER OF THE BIKE PATROL.
SO IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO SEE HIM AT THE WATERFRONT, UH, FOR SOME SPECIAL EVENT ON HIS BIKE.
KYLE HAHN ANOTHER 30 YEAR CAPTAIN.
UH, KYLE ALSO WAS AN AUXILIARY OFFICER BEFORE HE WAS HIRED ON FULL-TIME.
HIS MANY DUTIES THROUGHOUT HIS 30 YEARS INCLUDE SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT IN A UNIFORM PATROL EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER AND UNIFORM PATROL DIVISION.
COMMANDER KYLE IS THE FOUNDER OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION.
ELLEN MEDFORD WORKS FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
SHE ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR PUBLIC WORKS, BUT, UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT ON, UH, N FOUR, THAT SOFTWARE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER FIT WORKING IN IT WITH MR. WYATT.
SO, UH, SHE HAS TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE, UH, IT DEPARTMENT AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD FIT FOR HER.
SHE STARTED WORKING WITH US AS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT, ACOE STUDENT, AND HAS WORKED HER WAY, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE SHE IS RIGHT NOW.
SHE IMPLEMENTED THE COUNTY'S INFOR SYSTEM, WHICH IS THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM, HAVING PUBLIC WORKS, AND SHE WAS A PAST EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
AND ONE OF HER FAVORITE HOBBIES IS TO BE OUT ON THE YORK RIVER ON A BOAT.
SHE REALLY HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE IN PUBLIC WORKS.
CARRIE CROSBY CARRIE'S A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES.
UH, SHE'S BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE JUVENILE SERVICES TEAM SPECIFICALLY, UH, SHE STARTED OFF AS AN OFFICE ASSISTANT BACK IN 1988, AND SHE'S HAD A, OBVIOUSLY A 35 YEAR, UH, TENURE WITH US.
CARRIE'S EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE AND CAPABILITIES HAVE PROPELLED HER TO THE POSITION OF PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT INSIGHT PROGRAM, AND SHE IS DEEPLY INVESTED IN THE GROWTH AND FUTURE OF YOUTH UNDER HER CARE.
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35 YEARS.BONNIE DAME WORKS IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SHE'S A OPERATIONS COORDINATOR IN THE FLEET DEPARTMENT.
BONNIE STARTED, UH, BACK IN 1988 AND SHE WORKED FOR ANNE SMITH, WHICH MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER, UH, TODAY, UH, IN THE FLEET DEPARTMENT.
WHAT BONNIE GENERALLY DOES IS OVERSEES THE COUNTY'S FUEL SITES AND ASSURES THAT THEY'RE OPERATING AS THEY SHOULD, AND THAT ALL THE MONTHLY, QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PERFORMED TO PREVENT ANY FUEL SITE DOWNTIME OR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
AND FOR 40 YEARS, UM, I SUSPECT YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA RECOGNIZE THIS PERSON,
CHIEF KSKY, UH, HE STARTED WITH US, UH, AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER BACK IN 74.
SO HE ACTUALLY HAS A LITTLE MORE FIREFIGHTING EXPERIENCE THAN JUST THE 40 YEARS.
UH, DURING HIS CAREER AS A FIREFIGHTER, YOU KNOW, HE IS BEEN A LIEUTENANT CAPTAIN, TRAINING OFFICER, BATTALION CHIEF, AND HE MADE, UH, FIRE CHIEF BACK IN 1988, UM, 1998, CHIEF KSKY ISS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THREE FIRE STATIONS, UH, THAT WERE BUILT DURING 1990 AND 1991, UH, PART OF THE VIRGINIA FIRE SERVICE COUNCIL, WHICH, UH, WAS ONE OF THE LEAD ORGANIZATIONS THAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE CREATION OF THE LEGISLATION THAT CREATED THE VIRGINIA FIRE SERVICES BOARD.
IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO TELL, ASK STEVE ABOUT THAT.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING ORGANIZATION AND THEY HAVE A BIG IMPACT ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
SO WHAT HE WAS THE LEADER IN THERE IS, IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
UM, HE WAS ALSO PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FIRST FEDERAL DISASTER MEDICAL ASSISTANCE TEAM IN VIRGINIA.
A COLLABORATIVE BRAINSTORMING EFFORT BETWEEN NORFOLK FIRE RESCUE, VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMS AND YORK COUNTY AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UH, CHIEF KAPINSKY HAS ALSO BEEN PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA FIRE, UH, CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION, AND HE IS A, A BIG, UH, BIG CONTRIBUTOR TO THE FIRE SERVICE ALL ACROSS THE, ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
WE HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF WITH HIM AS OUR FIRE CHIEF.
WELL, WE HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT WAS MENTIONED THERE, THE DEDICATION TO THE COUNTY, THE SERVICES, THE AMOUNT OF THEIR LIFE THEY'VE SPENT HERE, THE RE YOU KNOW, THE REWARD THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED AND HOW THEY HAVE MADE US WHAT WE ARE TODAY.
UM, I MEAN, EVEN 22 YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME HERE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, REALLY STOOD OUT WAS HOW PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO WORK FOR THIS COUNTY, REALLY LOVE WORKING FOR THIS COUNTY.
AND THEY STAY HERE FOR, THEY STAY HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THAT STABILITY IS, IS, IT'S JUST HARD TO, HARD TO ME, UH, MEASURE THE VALUE.
SO LET'S ALL GIVE 'EM A HAND AROUND, WE'RE PROUD OF EVERY ONE OF THEM.
WE GOT, UH, TONIGHT I'VE GOT FOR
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CITIZEN COMMENTS AND I ASSUME THIS IS ALL JUST FOR THE OPEN CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.OKAY, FOLKS, THAT'S GONNA BE AN HOUR.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, UM, UM, WHAT I'M, MAKE IT, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK 'CAUSE WE GOT, THEN AFTER THAT WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH.
SO I'M GONNA CALL YOU THREE NAMES AT A TIME.
JUST COME UP HERE AND LINE UP.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WILL BE, UH, NICK DUPRE.
AND, UH, BEFORE YOU START, AND THEN I GOT ROGER HARRIS BAGGER.
DOES THAT PRONOUNCE THAT CLOSE COURSE WORKER? ALRIGHT.
AND THEN NUMBER THREE WILL BE MARY JOE O'BRIEN.
IF Y'ALL LINE UP AND THEN WHEN THEY FINISH, I'LL CALL THREE MORE SO WE CAN KEEP US MOVING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET, UH, UH, AFTER YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, THE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON.
30 SECONDS BEFORE THE TIME RUNS OUT, YOU GET A YELLOW LIGHT.
AND AT, UH, THREE MINUTES THAT, THAT'S IT.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY ADDRESS IS 10 11 SEAFORD ROAD.
UM, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE SEAFORD RENOVATION PROJECT AT SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UM, I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FOR, I GUESS OVER A YEAR NOW.
UM, BESIDES ALL THE OTHER COUNTLESS THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, WITH THEM COMING IN MY PROPERTY,
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DESTROYING PROPERTY, THINGS LIKE THAT.THE BIG THING I'M HERE FOR RIGHT NOW IS THE DRAINAGE ON SEAFORD, ON SEAFORD ROAD.
UM, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO MR. GREEN PREVIOUSLY ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PUSHING VDOT TO APPROVE IT AS IS.
UM, BACK IN JULY, I, I LET THE SCHOOL BOARD, UH, BE AWARE THROUGH AN EMAIL THAT THE PIPING THAT WAS BEING RUN DIDN'T MEET VDO T'S MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THEY STOPPED WORK FOR ABOUT TWO DAYS, THEN THEY CONTINUED, THEY COVERED IT ALL UP AND PAVED OVER IT.
UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD SINCE THEN, WE'RE HOPING IT WORKS.
THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THEM TO DO IT.
UM, I SPOKE WITH THE VP OF HEARTLAND CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'VE HIRED TO DO THE WORK.
I MET WITH HIM, I'VE MET WITH MARK T SHEHAR AND DR. CARROLL, UH, PROBABLY A LITTLE, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO OUT AT THE SCENE, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
THEY DENIED KNOWING ABOUT ANY WRONG WITH THE DRAINAGE.
UH, SINCE THEN I'VE REQUESTED THE, UH, FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT.
I'VE REQUESTED EMAILS AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION WITH THAT.
I'VE READ OVER THOSE AND THEY HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT ALL SUMMER FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, RIGHT NOW READING THE, THE LATEST EMAILS I'VE GOTTEN, THEY'RE PUSHING VDOT AND GLEN BROOKS TO APPROVE IT LIKE IT IS, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX IT.
AND THEY SHOULD HAVE SIMPLY REMO MOVED OVER SOME OF THE UTILITIES SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT, HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
AND THEY'RE WANTING TO JUST LEAVE IT AND JUST PAVE OVER IT LITERALLY.
THEY NEED TO DO IT RIGHT, LIKE IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND MEANT TO BE DONE.
THERE'S NO REASON TO CREATE ANOTHER POTENTIAL ISSUE FOR, FOR, UH, FOR ANYTHING WITH STORMS. AND, AND WHEN ISABELLE CAME AND HIT MY PROPERTY, DIDN'T FLOOD, OKAY.
I'M NOT WILLING TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW FOR ME TO HAVE POTENTIAL FLOODING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE A BUCK AND DO SOMETHING WRONG WHEN THEY, THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT ALL ALONG.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK AND HAVING THIS ADDRESSED AND FIXED.
YOU NEED TO TAKE NOTE ON THAT ONE.
I LIVE AT, UH, ONE 11 YORK VIEW ROAD.
WELCOME, UH, DOWN HERE IN MAR BANK FARMS. I'M HERE ON A LIGHTER, LIGHTER NOTE TONIGHT.
UH, WE REPRESENT THE BACK CREEK DINERS, THE NEW PICKLEBALL COURT FACILITY, WHICH WE THANK YOU ALL FOR PROVIDING YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB.
WE'VE ENJOYED IT AND WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS GROWTH SINCE THAT HAS GOING IN.
WE'VE HAD AROUND 200 MEMBERS AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS OPEN.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING AND IT'S GROWING ALL THE TIME.
UH, WE THINK TWO OF YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, BOTH SHEILA, UM, AND MR. RONE, THAT WAS AT THE GRAND OPENING.
AND I, I'VE RATHER ENJOYED SEEING MR. RONE PLAY PICKLEBALL,
BUT MEANWHILE, UH, THE TENNIS COURTS AS IT'S PROPOSED TO, UH, BE RENOVATED AS THE NEXT PART OF THAT PROJECT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, THE GROWTH OF THE PICKLEBALL IN RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBER ONE IN THE COUNTRY IS THE, THE BIGGEST SPORT COMING.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE CURRENTLY THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR TENNIS COURTS UP THERE, HIGHLY UNDERUSED.
WE'D LIKE TO PUT IN YOUR DESIGN.
WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE FOUR MORE ADDITIONAL PICKLEBALL COURTS AND LEAVE TWO TRUE TENNIS COURTS.
I PLAY BOTH TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL.
SO I'M, I I KNOW THAT THE TENNIS PLAYERS DON'T LIKE SEEING ALL OF THOSE LINES ON THEIR TENNIS COURTS, AND I'D LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SOMEHOW, UH, WITH THE FACT THAT WE DO NEED SOME MORE COURTS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE AFTER, UH, AT THIS MEETING AND WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, UH, DENY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO GIVE AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
BUT, UH, IT'S A GREAT COUNTY FACILITY AND WE'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO DO THE REST OF IT.
I'VE LIVED AT ONE 20 AUGUST DRIVE IN SEAFORD, VIRGINIA FOR NINE YEARS AND OFTEN ENJOY YORK TIME OFF YORKTOWN OFFERINGS WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
I'M AGAINST THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE AND ANY OTHER MEGA CRUISE SHIP COMING TO YORKTOWN WHEN DISCUSSING IT WITH FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS.
I KNOW I'M IN THE MAJORITY, BUT BY ASKING FOR $16 MILLION IN STATE FUNDS FOR A TENDER PIER AT THE NON-PROFIT WATERMAN'S MUSEUM AND ALREADY RECEIVING HALF OF IT IN THE 2024 BUDGET, YOU GAVE PRINCESS THE GREEN LIGHT AND YOU PUT YOUR CITIZENS WHO
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KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT ON THE DEFENSIVE PRINCESS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR PILOT PROGRAM.AND MOST OF YOUR CITIZENS DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM.
PRINCESS'S FULL STEAM AHEAD, PLANNING AND SELLING CRUISES TO YORKTOWN OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
AND NOW WE LEARNED THAT THEIR SISTER COMPANY, HOLLAND AMERICA, ANNOUNCED THEY ARE COMING IN 2025.
THESE COMPANIES ARE AGGRESSIVE AND THEY THINK THEY CAN JUST PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, HEY, IS IT OKAY IF OUR SISTER COMPANY BRINGS THEIR SHIPS IN TOO AND THEN THEY DISREGARD YOUR NO.
ANYWAYS, THE SHIPS AND THE VISUAL WATER AND AIR POLLUTION THEY BRING TO OUR RIVERFRONT DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR SMALL VILLAGE AND WON'T DO ENOUGH TO BOOST OUR ECONOMY.
TO MAKE IT WORTH IT, JOHN PAGET AND PRINCESS ARE ALREADY BRINGING PEOPLE TO WILLIAMSBURG, JAMESTOWN, AND YORKTOWN THROUGH NORFOLK'S HALF MOON TERMINAL, AND ARE INCREASING TRAFFIC THERE.
BY THE WAY, THAT TERMINAL, 17 YEARS LATER IS STILL NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH TO PAY THE CONSTRUCTION BONDS.
I'VE ALSO RESEARCHED THE 11 EXCURSIONS THEY'RE OFFERING WHILE IN OUR TOWN.
ONLY THREE ARE YORKTOWN TOURS.
THE OTHERS ARE IN NEWPORT NEWS, HAMPTON, NORFOLK, JAMES CITY COUNTY, OR WILLIAMSBURG.
AND OUR LONGER INDURATION AND PRICE AT A MUCH BETTER VALUE THAN THE YORKTOWN TOURS.
THE MARINERS MUSEUM TOUR EVEN INCLUDES LUNCH IN NEWPORT NEWS.
NONE OF THE YORKTOWN TOURS INCLUDE LUNCH.
THESE SHIPS WILL QUICKLY COLONIZE YORKTOWN AND THEY WON'T CARE WHAT DAY YOU TELL THEM NOT TO COME.
I SEE THEY ARE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS.
I'M A BOATER AND I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS UPSET THAT I WON'T BE ABLE TO USE THE PUBLIC DOC TO ENJOY THE POPULAR THURSDAY NIGHT MUSIC OR DINNER ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
IN ADDITION, ONLINE TRAVEL AGENTS ARE ADVERTISING THE CRUISE IN YORKTOWN ERRONEOUSLY.
TWO EXAMPLES THAT STAND OUT TO ME.
THE CRUISE, THEY TALK ABOUT A CRUISE TERMINAL BEING AT THE NAVAL WEAPON STATION AND IT'S EASILY REACHABLE BY I 64 AND 17.
AND THAT GRANDVIEW BEACH IS A GREAT PLACE TO GO ON THE YORK RIVER.
WE, UM, IF WE LET THEM COME, IT WILL BE A DISASTER.
THEY'LL BE HERE ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE OTHER PORTS ARE, PORTS ARE STARTING TO LIMIT THEM DUE TO OVERT TOURISM AND PROMISE, MONETARY BENEFITS NOT COMING TO FRUITION.
WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXCELLENT SMALL CRUISE LINE IN AMERICAN CRUISE LINES THAT WANTS TO COME MORE OFTEN.
LET'S FIND WAYS TO MAKE THAT MORE BENEFICIAL FOR YORKTOWN.
IT'S GONNA BE, WE'LL START WITH PENNY DIGGS.
AND THEN FOLLOWED BY, UH, DON WILLIS, FOLLOWED BY RON STRUBLE.
UH, MA'AM, PLEASE SPEAK IT TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
AND YOU PULL, YOU CAN MOVE IT OVER IF YOU NEED TO.
PO BOX 1 1 4 YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA 2 3 6 9 0.
HENNY, COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN? HENNY DIGS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US THIS EVENING.
I HAVE BEEN ASKED WHY IN THE WORLD I AM TAKING UP THIS CAUSE WHEN I'M SUCH A PRIVATE PERSON.
PERHAPS EDMUND BURKE DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT THE ONLY THING NECESSARY FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING.
BUT HE SHOULD HAVE, I LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL NOT STAND IDLY BY AND DO NOTHING.
WHILE THE WATERWAYS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE DESTROYED.
MY HUSBAND AND HIS FAMILY BEFORE HIM ARE AND WERE WATERMEN.
I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DO NOTHING WHILE YOU ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY TO BE DESTROYED.
YOU HAVE RECENTLY BEEN DRAGGED THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA FOR ALLEGEDLY BEING CAUGHT TRYING TO HIDE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC.
THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT SHOWED THAT YOU WERE DELIBERATELY TAKING STEPS TO HIDE PERTINENT AND VALUABLE DATA FROM THE PUBLIC.
THE CITIZENS WHO TRUSTED YOU TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR BEST INTEREST.
YOU WERE AGAIN, DRAGGED FOR FORGETTING THAT YOU SENT A LETTER REQUESTING COMMONWEALTH SUPPORT FOR A MULTI-PHASE FACILITY, INCLUDING A NEW PEER TO MAKE YORKTOWN A CRUISE SHIP PORT OF COAL.
LET'S PUT ALL OF THAT IN THE PAST.
YOU HAVE BEEN EMPOWERED BY THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY TO ACT ON OUR BEHALF.
WE ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE HISTORY OF YORKTOWN AND THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
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WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR INTENTIONS WERE GOOD.YOU MADE SOME TERRIBLE CONSCIOUS ERRORS IN JUDGMENT.
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND THAT'S OKAY.
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN THAT WHEN YOU MAKE A BIG MISTAKE, IMMEDIATELY STOP WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR YOUR ACTIONS, RECTIFY YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS, NEVER DO IT AGAIN, AND THEN MOVE ON.
TAKE THAT FIRST STEP AND STOP THIS TRAVESTY BEFORE YOU GET THE CITIZENS AND THIS COUNTY IN ANY DEEPER.
WE ARE NOT HERE TO BELABOR THE POINT AND SHAME YOU ANYMORE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE EMBARRASSED ENOUGH AT THE MESS THAT WE ARE IN.
LET'S MOVE PAST IT IN A POSITIVE MANNER WITH POSITIVE ACTIONS.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND THEY DO NOT WANT THIS.
WE DO NOT WANT THE POLLUTION, THE INCREASED CRIME, THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT.
YOU OF ALL PEOPLE HERE IN THE TRUE HEART OF AMERICA SHOULD HEAR.
AND HE, THE VOICES OF THE PEOPLE LISTEN CAREFULLY AS THEY WERE RISING IN PROTEST.
THE WHISPER HAS BECOME A ROAR IN NEW YORK COUNTY.
OKAY, THANK YOU, UH, DON WILLIS.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT HAPPEN HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA DELAY THIS THING AND WE'LL JUST STAY HERE LONGER.
AND TWO, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO INTIMIDATE OTHER PE PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, OKAY? WE WANT FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN HERE AND SPEAK FREELY AND BE HEARD.
ALRIGHT? I KNOW A LOT OF YOU SUPPORT DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW HERE, SO IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS ON, WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'LL JUST MAKE IT LAST LONGER.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I LIVE AT 2 28 WILLIAM BARKSDALE, FORMERLY OF ONE 20 KISKI WATCH.
I'M PRESIDENT OF SISTER CITIES YORKTOWN, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REPORT TO YOU ON OUR RECENT TRIP TO ONE OF OUR SISTER CITIES IN VODA, FRANCE ON THE OCCASION OF THEIR 200TH ANNIVERSARY.
AT THE INVITATION OF THE MAYOR OF PRA, FOUR MEMBERS OF SISTER CITIES YORKTOWN WERE ABLE TO TRAVEL TO VODA ON SEPTEMBER ONE THROUGH THREE.
AND IN ADDITION TO MYSELF AND MY WIFE, ROYCE HART RETIRED, UH, PRINCIPAL OF GRAFTON HIGH SCHOOL AND HIS WIFE DARLENE, WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPANY US, UH, TO THAT CELEBRATION.
WHILE WE WERE THERE ON THE TALL SHIP BELEM, I PRESENTED MAYOR MARTY WITH A YORK COUNTY FLAG, A COLLAGE OF PICTURES OF LOCATIONS IN YORK COUNTY DEDICATED TO THE FRENCH ASSISTANCE IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, INCLUDING THE CROSS IN THE PARK SERVICE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WAS, UH, DEDICATED TO THE FRENCH KIL IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, THE MONUMENT ACROSS FROM THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION MUSEUM, THE STATUES ON RIVER WALK WITH CONTA GLASS CEBO, MARQUITA LAFAYETTE, AND GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON.
ALSO IN THE PICTURE WAS A SHOT OF OUR OWN YORKTOWN MONUMENT, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO A MONUMENT THEY HAVE IN PROVE FRANCE.
WE INCLUDED GRACE CHURCH IN THAT.
AND THE REASON WE INCLUDED GRACE CHURCH WAS THE LAST TIME THE FRENCH DELEGATION WAS HERE.
THEY HELPED US RAISE A CROSS AT GRACE CHURCH.
THAT WAS A, A EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT OF ONE OF OUR YORK HIGH SCHOOL, UH, STUDENTS.
AND, UH, EACH MEMBER OF THE FRENCH DELEGATION DID A COUPLE OF TURNS ON THE RATCHET TO HELP, UH, THE CROSS BEAM ON THAT, UH, UH, CROSS GET, UM, GET RAISED.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, UM, RENEW SOME OLD FRIENDSHIPS AND MAKE SOME NEW FRIENDS WHILE WE WERE THERE.
I DO HAVE SOME GIFTS THAT, UH, THEY SENT TO SOME FOLKS IN, IN YORK COUNTY, INCLUDING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
ONE OF THEM IS A REPLICA OF A FRENCH FIRE HAT THAT, UH, THEY SENT TO GIVE ME TO CHIEF KSKY.
UM, AND, UH, I HAVE A PATCH FOR THE POLICE MUNICIPAL THAT I WANNA HAVE PASSED ON TO MAJOR WEST OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I HAVE, UM, A, UH, BOOK ON THE HISTORY OF PROVERA THAT I LIKE TO GIVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND, UM, UH, AGAIN, THANKS FOR, UH, LETTING ME SPEAK.
UH, HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW HOW TO GET ME.
OKAY, NEXT IS, UH, RON STRUBLE.
UH, RON STRUBLE, 2 0 5 SHADY BLUFF POINT, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION.
BEFORE I BEGIN MY COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, POINT OUT TWO THINGS ARE AT STATE'S.
UH, FIRST IS I DO ALSO WANNA TIP MY HAT TO THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE RECOGNITION OF THEIR, UH, SERVICE.
I'VE HAD MANY, MANY INTERACTIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF OVER THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
ALL BUT A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONAL AND ENGAGING.
AND I, I DO APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM, UH, DEMONSTRATED
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BY YORK COUNTY STAFF, UH, WITH ENGAGING OUR FOUNDATION.THE SECOND THING IS I NOTICED, UH, MS. NOLL WAS SHAKING HER HEAD NO ABOUT THE HOLLAND AMERICA LINES COMMENT.
UH, THERE IS ANNOUNCEMENT ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT SAYS THEY'RE BRINGING, UH, TWO VISITS TO YORKTOWN IN 2025.
SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY BACKGROUND ON THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT TONIGHT.
BUT THAT IS ON THEIR WEBSITE, ANNOUNCED FOR YORKTOWN, TWO VISITS IN 2025.
UH, THEY'RE ANNOUNCING, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A COST SHARE WITH PRINCESS OR WHAT IT IS, BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING, I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY CLARITY TONIGHT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE TONIGHT THAT, UH, OUR FOUNDATION HAS GONE THROUGH A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS ON THIS CRUISE SHIPS.
WE WERE, UM, ABOUT FOUR MONTHS, WENT THROUGH, UH, A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS WE CONSIDERED, AND WE'VE COME TO A DECISION THAT WE ARE GOING TO OPPOSE THE CRUISE LINE CONCEPT.
UM, THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, UH, PILOT PROJECT FOR YORKTOWN BASED ON THREE POINTS.
THE FIRST POINT IS WE BELIEVE THAT DOWNTOWN YORKTOWN VILLAGE SHOULD NOT BE TURNED INTO A BUS DEPOT, UH, IN ANY MANNER OR MEANS IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED.
UH, SO, UH, WE ARE AGAINST IT FOR THAT REASON.
THE SECOND ONE IS WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TAXPAYER FUNDS SHOULD BE USED TO FUND A PRIVATE ENTITY, SUCH AS THE PIER IN DOWNTOWN YORKTOWN DOWN VILLAGE.
THE LAST THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
AND, AND, AND THESE SEEM TO BE DISMISSED SOMETIMES WHEN I ENGAGE SOME FOLKS, UM, IN MY MIND, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOME, SOMETHING I LEARNED ON THESE SHIPS.
THESE SHIPS, AS YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE IN PREVIOUS SESSIONS, BURN BUNKER OIL.
THE, UH, POLLUTANTS ARE CAPTURED IN THE STONE MILKS STACKS, WHICH IS A GREAT THING.
BUT THEN THEY'RE TRANSFERRED INTO A LIQUID SOLVENT, LIQUID, UM, UM, SEMI-SOLID LIQUID, AND THEN THEY'RE DUMPED AT SEA WHILE THEY'RE UNDERWAY.
UH, IF THERE'S, IF I'M, I'M WRONG ON THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE MAYBE THE STAFF DOING SOME RESEARCH, UH, THAT CAN MAYBE CONTRADICT THAT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DUMP THAT EFFLUENT ONCE THEY'RE UNDERWAY OUT OF THE AREA.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY RECENT ACCIDENTAL SPILLAGES, NOT WITH PRINCESS, BUT IN THE BAHAMAS, WITH CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES, AND THAT CONCERNS ME WITH THE ECOLOGICAL SENSITIVITY OF THE RIVER HERE.
SO FOR THOSE THREE REASONS, UH, WE ARE, UH, GOING TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE AGAINST THE, UM, CRUISE LINE, UH, PLAN FOR YORKTOWN.
OKAY, THE NEXT THREE WILL BE, UH, DAVID CROCKER.
WALT LATHAM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK IT'S JOHN CHUME SHOEMAKER SOMETHING.
IT, UH, HE'S 1717 BALLARD STREET.
THAT RING A BELL WITH ANYBODY.
UH, MR. CROCKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I LIVE AT, UH, 2 1 7 GOS TRACE IN, UH, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
I'M A 30 YEAR NAVY VETERAN, SO I'VE MOVED AROUND A LOT, LOOKED AT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, HELPED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES GROW, AND I'M HERE IN THAT CAPACITY TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SMITH FARMS ESTATE A MUCH BETTER, MUCH IMPROVED COMMUNITY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, AND, AND I WANNA ADDRESS THREE PARTICULAR TOPICS TONIGHT THAT, TWO OF THEM, I THINK, THAT ARE SAFETY ISSUES.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LIGHTS ON YORKTOWN ROAD OUTSIDE ON, ON FOR, FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LIGHTS ON YORKTOWN ROAD.
AND, UH, THE, UH, LIGHTS THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED WERE EITHER, UH, DISCONTINUED OR, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CAN'T GET THEM.
WE PUT A SUBSTITUTE, UH, LIGHT, UH, IN FRONT OF, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND THEY TURNED IT DOWN.
SO WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT, BUT THAT IS A DARK ROAD AT NIGHT.
I MEAN, IT'S A REALLY DARK ROAD.
WE'VE, UH, ASKED FOR, AGAIN, FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A PATHWAY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF A LARGER PACKAGE OF PATHWAYS, SIDEWALKS AND, AND LEEWAYS THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW CHILDREN TO WALK FROM YORK FROM, UH, SMITH FARMS OVER TO, UH, MOUNT VERNON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
LITERALLY A HALF A BLOCK WALK.
BUT WE CAN'T GET THAT UNBUNDLED FROM A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS.
SO KIDS ARE EITHER NOW HAVING TO GET IN CARS AND FOR THOSE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE, YOU KNOW, HOW BUSY YORKTOWN ROAD IS WITH, UH, TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UH, WE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IT THE PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO EITHER ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND SAY, YES, YOU CAN DO IT, OR NO, BECAUSE I'M, I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A NO BECAUSE PERSON TELL ME WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND LET US HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEMS AND WE'LL HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. THE THIRD IS JUST, IT REALLY SEEMS FUN ELEMENTARY, BUT FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
NOW, I'M, I'M NOT A TREE AND FLOWERS GUY.
UH, I'M A RETIRED 30 YEAR NAVY VETERAN.
I'M A NEW POWER GUY, SO I CAN BUILD NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHY CAN'T WE GET TO A RESOLUTION WHERE WE CAN, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'LL JUST MAKE YORK COUNTY OR YORKTOWN ROAD SO MUCH MORE, I THINK, UH, ATTRACTIVE AND, AND APPEALING.
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WE'RE, I THINK, A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO BECOME VERY, UH, UH, EMBEDDED.WE'VE GOT GREAT CITIZENS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE GET, AND THESE ARE JUST THREE I I CAN GO ON AND I'VE GOT, UH, LITERALLY 39 SECONDS, SO I'M GONNA STOP.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS SOME HELP FROM THE COUNTY, UH, AND, AND THE DEVELOPER.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE TRUTH IS, WHICH IS ALWAYS FRUSTRATING TO A GUY WHO SPENT HIS WHOLE LIFE, UH, SOLVING PROBLEMS. THANKS SO MUCH.
AND, UH, STEVE, I THINK THAT'S IN YOUR, OKAY.
HI, UM, MY NAME IS WALT LATHAM, 3 0 5 RAILWAY ROAD, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA, 2 3 6 9 2.
AND I AM THE VOTER REGISTRAR FOR THE COUNTY.
I'VE MET A FEW OF YOU MORE THIS YEAR THAN I HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, FOR SOME REASON.
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN HERE TONIGHT.
UM, I CAME HERE PRIMARILY FOR ONE REASON, AND I'M GONNA GET TO THAT TOWARD THE END.
IN THE MEANWHILE, I DID WANNA SAY I'VE TURNED IN THE ABSTRACTS OF THE ELECTION TO THE CLERK, UM, FOR YOUR MINUTES, WHICH WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO EVERY YEAR FOR EVERY ELECTION FOR SOME REASON.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE THOSE ABSTRACTS.
YOUR CERTIFICATES OF ELECTION CANNOT BE MADE AVAILABLE, I AM TOLD UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S RELATED TO CAMPAIGN FINANCE.
THE STATE HAS TO CERTIFY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RACES AS WELL AS THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES WE SHARE WITH KOSIN.
SO, UH, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR THOSE SOMETIME IN EARLY DECEMBER.
UM, ALSO DEPENDENT ON HOW QUICKLY I CAN NEGOTIATE THEIR PRINTING WITH OFFICE DEPOT, WITH WHOM THE COUNTY HAS A CONTRACT.
UM, THE MORE IMPORTANT REASON I CAME TONIGHT IS I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THEIR STAFF, BECAUSE WITHOUT THEIR STAFF, THE TEACHERS, UM, AND SO ON PRINCIPALS, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE ALMOST TO HAVE ELECTIONS IN YORK COUNTY.
THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER PLACES IN THE STATE WHERE I'VE HEARD OF THEM HAVING POLLING PLACES ON DOG FOOD AISLES OR IN BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE OR NO RESTROOMS. AND THE VOTERS OF YORK COUNTY ARE VERY BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE SPACE WITH THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION, UM, WHICH ALSO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF OUR NON-SECURE EQUIPMENT.
UH, THAT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE COUNTY STAFF AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, PEOPLE MENTIONED TO US THE ELECTION PROCESS AND HOW THEY'VE ENJOYED IT OR WHATEVER THEIR CONCERNS MAY BE, AND PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA, I DON'T THINK HOW MUCH OTHER COUNTY DEPARTMENTS HAVE AN IMPACT ON REGARDING ELECTIONS FROM BUDGETING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TO COMMUNITY SERVICES, TO PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, IT, IT'S, IT, IT IS A FULL COUNTY EFFORT, AND WITHOUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ITS STAFF, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
AND FINALLY, I'M SORRY HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I WANTED TO ESPECIALLY SAY THANK YOU TO MR. MORGAN.
UM, I AM, I WAS SORRY TO SEE HIM RETIRING, NOT NO COMMENT ON THE INTERIM OR WHOEVER MAY COME NEXT.
UM, BUT DURING MY TIME AS REGISTRAR, MR. MORGAN HAS BEEN PIVOTAL.
MR. MORGAN AND HIS STAFF AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE BEEN PIVOTAL IN PROVIDING THE RESOURCES THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO DO ELECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S EARLY VOTING, GETTING US THE OFFICE SPACE THAT WE NEED.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD PULL OFF WHAT WE HAVE PULLED OFF WITH EARLY VOTING WITHOUT HAVING THE SPACE WE HAVE AT WASHINGTON SQUARE AND THE SPACE AT VICTORY VILLAGE.
UH, IT, IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED AT BALLARD STREET.
WE WOULD'VE JUST SHUT THE COUNTY DOWN.
I APPRECIATE IT ON BEHALF OF THE VOTERS, AND I WANT TO ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE, UH, SHARE MY APPRECIATION FOR MR. MORGAN AND HOW MUCH OF A COLLEAGUE HE HAS BEEN FOR US, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL, APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
OKAY, JOHN, AND YOU CAN TELL US YOUR LAST NAME TOO.
I'M JOHN SCHUSTER, 1717 BALLARD STREET, AND I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PRINCESS NAME.
THEY'VE, THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN ALL THIS HISTORICAL, JUST LIKE THEY DID ON THE CONFEDERATE STATUES, WHICH IS NOT RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO POLLUTE THE, THE STREAMS, THE RIVERS FOR CLAMS AND, AND, UH, PEOPLE THERE.
I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T HAVE OUR HISTORICAL LEFT UPRIGHT.
OKAY, NEXT THREE IS, UH, DARLA KSKY, KSKY, EXCUSE ME, ELIZABETH WILKINS AND, UH, BOB HOBSON.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR YES, A LITTLE LOUDER? OKAY.
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OH, GOOD EVENING.I'M, UM, MY NAME IS DAR LA KRESKY.
I'M AT ONE 12 CHURCH STREET HERE, DOWN RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, FOR THIS EVENING FOR, UM, UH, I'M PROUD TO BE IN A COUNTRY WHERE WE CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK, UM, UH, FREELY.
AND, UM, I'M WEARING THIS AND I'M ALSO A 36 YEAR VETERAN.
AND SO MY, UM, MY DISCUSSION TONIGHT FOR MY SHORT TIME IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TAKE ON THE PRINCESS THAN WHAT YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE.
UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STATISTICS, YOU KNOW THE FACTS.
I THINK YOU KNOW HOW MOST OF US FEEL.
THERE'LL BE MORE FACTS COMING TO YOU.
AND I KNOW THAT I'VE WRITTEN A LOT TO YOU, AND I HAVE MORE
UM, BUT TONIGHT I WANT, I WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN ANY, ANY COMMUNICATIONS OR ANY WRITING.
AND SO THIS IS MORE SPEAKING FROM THE HEART THAN A PIECE OF PAPER.
UM, THIS CITY, WHICH I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO LIVE IN, AND I FINALLY GOT A HOUSE, A HISTORICAL, ALMOST A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE.
AND THE REASON THAT I DID WAS THAT THIS IS A VERY SACRED, HOLY PLACE.
THIS TOWN IS A HISTORICAL NATIONAL LANDMARK, AND IT IS THE SOIL.
MY HOUSE IS BUILT ON THE BLOOD OF WARRIORS WHO FOUGHT VERY HARD TO MAKE THIS A COUNTRY.
I WOULD NOT HAVE SERVED FOR THIS COUNTRY TREE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE PEOPLE THAT FOUGHT HERE.
I THINK THAT IF WE TAKE ALL THE NUMBERS AND ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE THINGS ASIDE, IF WE CAN FOR A MOMENT, JUST IN TIME, BE, UM, HAVE A SENSE OF REVERENCE AND THOUGHT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CRUISE AND ALL THE CRUISE SHIPS AND EVERYTHING, AND I KNOW MORE ABOUT CRUISE SHIPS THAN I'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU I WILL NEVER GO ON ONE.
OKAY? I CAN'T FIND A LOT OF GOOD STUFF ABOUT IT.
UM, I'M VERY, VERY ALARMED THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A DISCUSSION AMONGST EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, IN THE VILLAGE AND THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN IN FROM, FROM ALL OF YOU ABOUT THAT SENSE.
UH, WHEN I DIG IN MY YARD, IT'S ACTUALLY ARTIFACTS FROM PEOPLE, UM, AND FROM POTTERY AND BRICKS AND THINGS THAT WENT BEFORE FOR HISTORY.
I JUST WANT, I KNOW I'M ON CAUTION, SO I JUST WANNA LEAVE IT WITH THAT.
MY TALK TONIGHT IS ABOUT THAT THIS PLACE IS A SACRED HOLY GROUND, AND I HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN THINK OF IT IN THOSE TO TERMS RATHER THAN FACTS AND FIGURES AND MONEY.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
I'M ELIZABETH WILKINS, 2 28 CHURCH STREET.
YESTERDAY, THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY WERE SHOCKED TO LEARN THAT IN THE MIDST OF OUR ONGOING FIGHT TO KEEP PRINCESS FROM BEGINNING ITS ASSAULT ON YORKTOWN NEXT SPRING.
YET ANOTHER CRUISE LINE IS BUSY SELLING TICKETS FOR A MAIDEN CALL HERE IN 2025.
ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE BLINDSIDED THIS TIME BY HOLLAND AMERICA LINE ANNOUNCING EAST COAST ITINERARIES THAT INCLUDE STOPS IN YORKTOWN FOR 2025.
IN FACT, SMART SHOPPERS CAN GET IN ON A BLACK FRIDAY SALE FOR JUST 10 59.
RIGHT NOW, YORK COUNTY APPEARS TO BE SHOCKED ALSO INSISTING THAT NO SUCH SCHEDULE WAS APPROVED FOR THE 2025 SEASON.
THIS MAY WELL BE TRUE, BUT A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH REVEALS THAT THE EARLIEST REPORTS OF THIS CAME OUT IN LATE SEPTEMBER.
IT SHOULD BE CRYSTAL CLEAR BY NOW, THAT CARNIVAL, WHICH OWNS BOTH PRINCESS AND HOLLAND AMERICA IS ALREADY HARD AT WORK TO MAKE SURE THEY WILL CAPITALIZE TO THE MAX ON THEIR NEWEST PORT PROJECT.
ONE SHIP WILL NOT DO, NOR WILL TWO OR THREE MAKE NO MISTAKE.
THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF THE CRUISE INDUSTRY PLAYBOOK.
THEY WILL KEEP THE PRESSURE ON UNTIL THEY HAVE AS MUCH PRESENCE HERE AS THE MARKET WILL BEAR.
THEIR LOCAL PAID LOBBYISTS ARE HAPPY TO WORK OVERTIME.
WE'VE BEEN SOUNDING THIS ALARM FOR MONTHS.
THESE COMPANIES WON'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER, NOR WILL THEIR PASSENGERS LINGER HERE.
THE EMPHASIS IN EVERY PROMO PIECE IS CLEARLY
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COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG WITH YORKTOWN AS THE CHARMING GATEWAY.MEANWHILE, YORK COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND RESIDENTS ALIKE ARE MERE PONDS IN THIS CHESS GAME.
YOU, OUR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN HUSTLED, CLAIMING ALL ALONG THAT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO AND THAT ANY OFFICIAL PUSHBACK WOULD AMOUNT TO DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A BUSINESS CONCERN.
PLEASE, YORK COUNTY, NO MORE CROCODILE TEARS FOR CARNIVAL CORPORATION.
THEY ARE NOTORIOUS BAD ACTORS AND IT'S TIME TO STOP THIS FIASCO IN ITS TRACKS.
THIS WILL NOT BE THE LEGACY THAT YOU WANT.
AMERICAN CRUISE LINE, SMALLER SHIPS OF UP TO 200 PASSENGERS CURRENTLY VISIT YORKTOWN AND HAVE FOR YEARS.
UNLIKE CAR CARNIVAL SHIPS, ACL VESSELS ARE BUILT AND FLAGGED IN THE US, PAY US TAXES, ABIDE BY US LABOR LAWS, AND REQUIRE NO EXTRAORDINARY SECURITY MEASURES FOR THEIR VISITS.
AND THEY POLLUTE FAR LESS BECAUSE OF THEIR SMALLER SCALE AND BECAUSE THEY BURN A CLEANER GRADE OF FUEL.
LET'S STICK WITH THIS MODEL FOR RESPONSIBLE CRUISE TOURISM IN YORKTOWN AND IMPROVE ON IT RATHER THAN OPENING THE PANDORA'S BOX.
MEANWHILE, HAVE A PEACEFUL THANKSGIVING.
HI, I'M BOB HODSON, UH, UH, 2 0 7 NELSON STREET, YORKTOWN.
IT HAS BEEN IMPLIED BY THIS BOARD THAT NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT PRINCESS CRUISES THAT NO MOTION IS BEFORE YOU TO VOTE ON.
FIRST, YOU HAVE ACTED TO ADVANCE PRINCESS CRUISES BY REQUESTING STATE FUNDING FOR A PEER.
IT WAS STATED AT A BOARD MEETING THAT ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE POLITICALLY STICKY, YOU COULD WITHDRAW THIS REQUEST, NOT ACCEPTING THE FUNDING.
SECONDLY, IT WAS ALSO STATED THAT BASED ON LEGAL COUNSEL, YOU DID NOT THINK YOU COULD STOP PRINCESS FROM USING A PUBLIC PEER.
I CONTACTED THE COAST GUARD AND WAS INFORMED THAT ADDITIONAL SECURITY REQUIREMENTS ARE REQUIRED FOR THESE MASSIVE SHIPS.
THE COUNTY IS UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THIS SECURITY BY SIMPLY NOT PROVIDING THIS SECURITY.
THE PILOT PROGRAM COULD NOT HAPPEN.
I TALKED WITH THE CITY MANAGER OF MONTEREY, CALIFORNIA.
HE TOLD ME THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID TO STOP HIM, BUT I SUSPECT THE COUNTY BOARD IS FULLY AWARE THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO STOP THIS AND HAS CHOSEN TO DOWNPLAY THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS.
POPULATION SATURATION POLLUTION HAVE OCCURRED IN PORT AFTER PORT UNTIL COMMUNITIES REACH THE BREAKING POINT.
THIS HAS HAPPENED IN BAR HARBOR, CHARLESTON, SEATTLE, SITKA, JUNO, KEY WEST, VENICE, BARCELONA, AMSTERDAM, MARCEL BERGEN, AND MORE.
THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO BAN OR LIMIT CRUISE SHIPS.
WHY DO WE THINK IT WON'T HAPPEN HERE? ARE WE NAIVE OR INDIFFERENT? EXPANSION IS ALWAYS THE PLAN FOR THE CRUISE INDUSTRY.
THE RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT BY HOLLAND AMERICAN CRUISE LINE SHOWS JUST HOW AGGRESSIVE THEY WILL BE TO THINK WE CAN CONTROL IT AFTER THE FACT IS SIMPLY POOR JUDGMENT.
A BOARD MEMBER HAS JUST RECENTLY REACHED OUT TO START A CONVERSATION WITH US ABOUT OUR CONCERNS.
BUT WHILE LEARNING FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE EFFORT PROMOTING SHOULD STOP NOW.
CITIZENS NEED TO DECIDE THE APPROPRIATE PATH FORWARD BEFORE A PLAN IS PUT INTO ACTION.
THAT IS HOW FAIR AND OPEN GOVERNMENT WORKS, COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY, CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES ARE DOING DUE DILIGENCE ON THE CRUISE INDUSTRY.
AND WHEN WE SAY THE CRUISE INDUSTRY, WE MEAN THE MASSIVE OCEAN LINERS, NOT RIVER CRUISES LIKE AMERICAN.
WE KNOW THAT PRINCESS IS NOT TELLING THE WHOLE STORY ON THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES AND POLLUTION.
IN JUST A FEW MONTHS, OVER 6,500 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED OUR PETITION AND THE NUMBERS GROWING DAILY.
WE HAVE SET UP FACEBOOK PAGES AND WEB PAGES.
WE HAVE MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICAN CRUISE LINE TO TALK ABOUT SENSIBLE TOURISM.
WE ARE STARTING A POSTCARD CAMPAIGN.
WE ARE PLANNING TO TALK WITH HOAS CIVICS GROUPS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SHELLFISH GROWERS OF VIRGINIA AND MUCH MORE.
PLEASE KNOW THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AND WE WILL NOT GO AWAY UNTIL PRINCESS IS GONE.
WE SIMPLY ASK THAT YOU USE YOUR AUTHORITY TO STOP PRINCESS AND STOP TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE CHARACTER ALTERING EFFECTS THE CRUISE INDUSTRY WILL HAVE ON THE SMALLEST STORE COMMUNITY.
JOHN HUMMEL, JACK MONTI, UH, FR.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE MARK CARTER.
I LIVE AT 1 1 1 WILL SCARLET LANE IN QUEENS LAKE.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT NAVAL SHIPS NAMED USS YORKTOWN AND TO LAMENT THE FACT THAT THERE IS NOT ONE.
NOW I'M ASKING THE BOARD OF, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
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TO FACILITATE GETTING A NEW USS YORKTOWN TO BE PART OF YORKTOWN'S SEMI QUINCENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.IN OCTOBER, 2031, THERE HAD BEEN FIVE USS YORKTOWN'S.
THE FIRST WAS A 16 GUN SAILING SLOOP OF WAR COMMISSIONED IN 1840.
AND THE SECOND, A STATE-OF-THE-ART STEAMER GUNBOAT WITH A FULL COMPLIMENT OF SAILS.
THE MOST FAMOUS IS THE THIRD COMMISSIONED IN 1937, AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER THAT WAS DAMAGED IN THE 1942 WORLD WAR II BATTLE OF CORAL SEA.
THIS WAS A TURNING POINT IN THE WAR IN THE BEGINNING OF AMERICAN.
THIS VICTORY WAS AN VERY, THE BEGINNING OF AMERICAN DOMINANCE IN THE PACIFIC.
THE YORKTOWN WAS BADLY DAMAGED IN THIS ENGAGEMENT AND FINALLY SUNK BY A JAPANESE SUBMARINE.
THE NAVY IMMEDIATELY NAMED ANOTHER CARRIER AFTER YORKTOWN, AND IT HAS SURVIVED AND IS NOW ON DISPLAY AT MOUNT PLEASANT SOUTH CAROLINA NEAR CHARLESTON.
THE FIFTH US YORKTOWN WAS A MISSILE SHIP COMMISSIONED BY OUR OWN MARY MATTHEWS FROM NICK SEAFOOD PAVILION.
IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER USS YORKTOWN.
AND WHAT BETTER TIME THAN THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE SURRENDER OF THE BATTLE OF YORKTOWN.
THE NAVY SEEMS TO BE NAMING SHIPS AFTER PEOPLE RATHER THAN BATTLES.
NOW I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS, BUT PROBABLY GETTING IN TOUCH WITH VIRGINIA'S CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION CAN GET THE STA IT STARTED.
I'M REQUESTING YOU ASSIGN ONE OF YOUR OUTSTANDING STAFFERS TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
SOME OTHER RESOURCES ARE, THERE IS A US SEMI QUINCENTENNIAL COMMISSION.
WE HAVE YOUR YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE OUR LOCAL LEGISLATURES, AND PROBABLY THE MOST USEFUL ONE WOULD BE THE AMERICAN VIRGINIA AMERICAN REVOLUTION COMMISSION.
ONE OF 'EM IS A YORKTOWN TEA PARTY IN 2024.
NEXT ONE'S A 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ARRIVAL OF LAFAYETTE IN MARCH, 2031.
SIEGE OF YORKTOWN, SEPTEMBER 29TH, 19TH, 2031.
CELEBRATE THE BATTLE, UH, THE SURRENDER, AND LET'S HOPE IT WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE COMMISSIONING OF A SIXTH USS YORKTOWN.
MY, MY NAME IS JACQUE MON FRANZ.
MY COMMENTS TONIGHT PARTIALLY ADDRESSED MR. MORGAN'S MEMO TO THE BOARD.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, LET ME MENTION THAT OUR GROUP HAS NEVER BEEN INVITED TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS, EXCEPT VIA THIS THREE MINUTE VENUE OF STINTS BEFORE THE BOARD, WHICH I ASSUME WAS THE BASIS FOR THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. MORGAN ASKED, THAT HE MENTIONED IN, IN HIS MEMO OF, OF MR. PAGET, PRINCESS C CRUISE LINE, CEO.
IN THAT MEMO, MR. MORGAN STATES, AND I QUOTE, MR. PAGET PROVIDED MEANINGFUL RESPONSES TO MOST OF, OF THE CONCERNS UNQUOTE, THAT WERE ARTICULATED.
WHAT WOULD BE MORE INFORMATIVE IS TO KNOW THE ACTUAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AND WHICH OF THOSE WEREN'T MEANINGFUL TO RESPONDED TO.
DID DID MR. MORGAN ASK WHY SO MANY LOCALITIES IN THE US INCLUDING BAR HARBOR, WHICH HIS STAFF APPARENTLY CONSULTED WITH HE WEST, CHARLESTON, SAVANNAH, JUNO, MONTEREY, AND MANY OTHERS GLOBALLY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE CRUISE SHIPS? DID HE ASK ABOUT THE OPEN LOOP EXHAUST GAS CLEANING SYSTEMS, COMMONLY KNOWN AS SCRUBBERS, THAT PRINCESS CRUISE SHIPS USE TO CLEAN THEIR EXHAUST EMISSIONS? THESE SHIPS ARE POWERED BY THE LOWEST AND LEAST EXPENSIVE GRADE OF BUNKER OIL THAT IS RIDDLED WITH POLLUTANTS.
THE OPEN LOOP SCRUBBER SYSTEM THAT IS IN, IN ITS SIMPLEST TERMS, WILL USE YORK RIVER WATER TO CLEAN OR SCRUB THE FUEL COMBUSTION EXHAUST PRODUCTS.
AND THEN THE WASH WATER FROM THAT PROCESSES DUMPED BACK INTO THE YORK RIVER IN AN ACIDIC TOXIC SLURRY OF HEAVY METALS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS.
DID HE ASK WHY THE 120 PORTS AROUND THE WORLD HAVE BANNED OPEN LOOP SCRUBBERS, THE PRINCESS AND HOL HOLLAND AMERICAN LINE CRUISE SHIPS THAT SLATER OR SLATER TO COME HERE ARE BETWEEN 17 AND 23 YEARS OLD.
THERE ARE THE RUST BUCKETS OF THE FLEET AND AREN'T LIKELY UP TO MODERN DAY ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS.
DID, DID HE QUESTION THE $125 THAT PASSENGERS WILL SUPPOSEDLY SPEND WHILE ON SHORE AND IS, AND THAT VALUE IS ALSO MENTIONED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
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IT'S THE HIGHEST IN THE RANGE OF POSSIBLE ESTIMATES AND TOTALLY UNREAL REALISTIC FOR THIS AREA.THE PRESERVE YORKTOWN GROUP HAS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION TO SHARE.
ALL OF YOU, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BE RECEPTIVE TO HEARING FROM US, BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. AND I STRONGLY COMMEND HIM FOR THAT.
NONE OF YOU HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN WHAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO OUR PUBLIC MEETING ON THIS SUBJECT THAT ONLY MR. ROHN SHOWED UP.
SO WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING, DEAR HOW YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS REALLY FEEL.
I URGE YOU TO DO THAT AND, AND TAKE THEIR CONCERNS TO HEART.
UH, BETSY TAYLOR, UH, I GUESS IT'S PETER BUNNING BUNNING, RIGHT? AND, UH, LOUISA WILEY.
YOURTOWN, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THAT WAY I'D, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? HEAR, HEAR? THANK YOU.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND FOR LISTENING TO US.
I'M SURE THAT MANY WEEKS YOU JUST, HE A DEEP SIGH.
AND SO HERE SAY, HERE WE GO AGAIN.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THE PATTERN IS THE SAME FROM TOWN TO TOWN.
THEY COME IN A PHILANTHROPIC MODE BEARING CHECKS FOR LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS AND BUSINESSES.
THEIR RECEPTIONS OR LUNCHEONS, CELEBRATORY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
BUSINESSES ARE ASSURED OF INCREASED REVENUES, PERHAPS SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY WANT TO SHARE THE FASCINATION OF EACH LOCALE WITH THE WORLD.
IT'S HAPPENED HERE FOR A YEAR OR TWO.
PERHAPS IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL THING, BUT THE PROVERBIAL BARN DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED IN TIME.
THE ESSENCE OF EACH TOWN OR CITY IS OVERWHELMED.
IT BECOMES HOMOGENIZED AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER CROWDED PORT TOWN.
WITH T-SHIRTS AND CHEAP SKAS, LOCAL MERCHANTS SUFFER.
THERE'S POLLUTION, THERE'S TRASH, AND THE ESSENCE OF EACH LOCALE HAS BEEN LOST.
WE'VE SPOKEN WITH ADMINISTRATORS, RESIDENTS, AND MERCHANTS IN THESE TOWNS TO A PORT.
THE CARNIVAL CRUISE LINE PORTFOLIO INCLUDES PRINCESS SEABORN, COSTA CRUISES, CUNARD, HOLLAND, AMERICA, AND OTHERS.
YOUR TIME TOGETHER AS A BOARD IS DRAWING SHORT.
THERE WILL BE A NEW BOARD VERY SOON.
PLEASE READ THE STUDIES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SENT AND THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DAMAGES WROUGHT BY THE CRUISE INDUSTRY.
PLEASE DON'T LET IT HAPPEN HERE.
PLEASE, AS A BOARD, DON'T LET THIS BE YOUR LEGACY TO YORKTOWN.
PETER BUNNING, UH, PETER BUNNING, 1 0 7 MASON COURT, YORKTOWN.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PRINCESS CRUISE ISSUE AND SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE LARGE OCEAN GOING CRUISE LIONS.
UM, MY WIFE WAS PICKING UP SOME NO PRINCESS CRUISE SIGNS HERE IN TOWN AND WALKING BACK TO THE CAR TO PUT THEM IN.
AND SEVERAL TOURISTS HAD ASKED HER WHAT, UH, WHAT THEY MEANT BY THE SIGNS.
AND WHEN, UH, SHE EXPLAINED TO THEM, THEY ALL UNIVERSALLY SAID, WHAT AN AWFUL IDEA.
FOLKS FROM OUR GROUP WERE PASSING OUT FLYERS AT THE RECENT ELECTIONS, AT THE POLLING LOCATIONS.
SO THIS IS TALKING TO YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS.
60 TO 80% OF THE PEOPLE THEY TALKED WITH THOUGHT THIS WAS A BAD IDEA FOR THE COUNTY AND YORKTOWN.
AND FINALLY, I KNOW, UH, CERTAIN YORKTOWN BUSINESSES THINK THAT THE CRUISE VISITS WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR THEIR BUSINESSES.
I ALSO HEAR THAT OTHER BUSINESSES ARE AFRAID TO TELL THE COUNTY WHAT THEY REALLY THINK FOR FEAR OF RETALIATION, I GUESS WITH LICENSING OR PERMITTING, I'M NOT SURE, BUT WHY ON EARTH WOULD THIS BE THE CASE? SO GIVEN THOSE THREE POINTS, I WONDER HOW CAN THE BOARD REPRESENT OUR COUNTY AND NOT TAKE A PROACTIVE POSITION AGAINST THESE SHIPS COMING TO YORKTOWN.
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PLEASE WELCOME.GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD SUPERVISORS.
I'VE LIVED ON THIS PENINSULA ALL MY LIFE.
I'VE LIVED IN YORKTOWN, EXCUSE ME, AT ONE 13 BRIAN ROAD FOR OVER 40 YEARS IN EDGE HILL, AND I LOVE YORKTOWN.
IN YORKTOWN'S STORIED HISTORY, A WAR WAS FOUGHT TO WIN FREEDOM FROM A GOVERNMENT THAT SOUGHT TO CONTROL US.
AND NOW YOU HAVE PUT US IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO FIGHT ONCE AGAIN THIS TIME AGAINST AN ENVIRONMENTALLY DAMAGING PLAN AND A GREEDY, OPPRESSIVE GLOBAL CRUISE LINE.
I WONDER HOW YOU ALLOWED YOURSELVES TO GET ENTANGLED IN THIS WEB BECAUSE YOU MADE DEALS UNDER THE CLOAK OR SECRECY AND FAILED TO COMMUNICATE OPENLY AND HONESTLY WITH US, WE HAVE BECOME TRAPPED IN THAT WEB TOO.
WHAT I AM CALLING FOR IS AN OPEN FORUM, A PUBLIC TOWN MEETING WHERE YOU HONESTLY AND COMPLETELY DISCLOSE TO ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS THE DETAILS AND TIMELINE OF YOUR ENTANGLEMENT IN PRINCESS'S WEB AND HOW POTENTIALLY HOLLAND AMERICAN CRUISE LINES ARE PLAYERS TOO.
THE CITIZENS DESERVE TO KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT DETAILS, INCLUDING ASSOCIATED COSTS.
WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS YOU THINK THIS DEAL WILL BRING US? WE NEED TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM OUR SUPERVISORS, THE WHOLE WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, AND HOW.
I AM DEEPLY, DEEPLY DISTURBED THAT YOU HAVE HIDDEN THIS PLAN FROM US, FROM ITS RECEPTION.
I THINK HOLDING AN OPEN FORUM CAN BE ONE STEP YOU CAN TAKE TO REBUILD THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE YOU HAVE.
SO SEVERELY DAMAGED BECAUSE I LOVE YORKTOWN.
I LEAVE YOU WITH TWO FINAL ADDITIONAL REQUESTS.
ONE STOP PRINCESS, TWO STOP EXPANSION TO HOLLAND AMERICA.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
I LIVE AT TWO 20 BACON STREET.
LAST MONTH I APPEARED HERE TO CONCERN EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE PLASTIC NETTING THAT WAS USED ALONG THE COUNTY.
UH, INSTALLED SIDEWALK ON BERGEN, CHEWED UP AND SPIT OUT BY LAWNMOWERS.
BITS OF THAT NETTING CAN ENTANGLE CHOKE AND OTHERWISE HARM BOTH ANIMAL AND MARINE LIFE.
THE NETTING CAN ALSO BE A TRIPPING HAZARD.
AND SO I FELT GOBSMACKED A WEEK OR SO AFTER I WAS HERE LAST MONTH TO SEE WORKERS PUTTING DOWN ADDITIONAL NETTING IN THE SAME PLACE.
I SPOKE WITH THE FOREMAN AND EXPLAINED WHAT HAD HAPPENED BEFORE.
HE ASSURED ME THAT THIS TIME THE NETTING WOULD BE WELL SECURED ONLY.
BY THE NEXT AFTERNOON, IT WAS COMING LOOSE IN SEVERAL PLACES.
IT WOULD BE ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE ANOTHER LAWNMOWER CHOPPED IT UP TOO AND FLUNG MORE BITS OF PLASTIC ALL OVER THE, THE, UM, THAT GREEN.
I CALLED THE COUNTY AND HEATHER SCH REFERRED ME TO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, ROBERT KRIEGER, UM, WHO ARRANGED FOR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR SCOTT ASHWORTH TO MEET ME ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER THE SIXTH.
I, UM, APPRECIATE THE HELP OF BOTH MS. SCH AND MR. KRIEGER, AND I AM PARTICULARLY GRATEFUL TO MR. ASHWORTH WHO CAME, SAW AND UNDERSTOOD.
TWO DAYS LATER, HE HAD A CREW OUT WORKING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
AND SO I ESPECIALLY WANT TO THANK HIM FOR HIS SPEEDY RESPONSE AND ACTION.
MEANWHILE, THIS IS WHAT I PICKED UP.
SINCE THEN, I CONTINUE TO PICK UP PLASTIC BIT BITS FROM THE FIRST ROUND.
ALSO, AT THAT OCTO OCTOBER BOARD MEETING, I SUGGESTED THAT YORK COUNTY CONSIDER HIRING AN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER.
I WAS IMAGINING SOMEONE WITH A WIDE RANGING ENVIRONMENTAL VISION.
SUCH A PERSON SEEMS TO BE MISSING FROM OUR COUNTY STAFF.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN PRINCE'S CRUISE LINE, THE IDEA WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY, APPARENTLY THERE WAS NO ONE IN PLACE TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT SUCH A HUGE CRUISE
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SHIPS COULD HAVE ON OUR BELOVED YORK RIVER.AND APPARENTLY THERE IS STILL NO ONE IN PLACE TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT THAT THESE ENORMOUS CRUISE SHIPS COULD HAVE ON OUR BELOVED BELOVED YORK RIVER.
IF I'M WRONG, I'D LOVE, I'D LOVE TO BE CORRECTED.
MEANWHILE, A GROUP OF YORK COUNTY CITIZENS HAS BEEN DOING RESEARCH.
THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE GLEANED IS VAST AND DAMNING.
IT'S DAMNING OF THE MEGA SHIP CRUISE LINE INDUSTRY IN GENERAL.
AND DAMNING OF PRINCESS IN PARTICULAR.
THE QUESTION IS, IS ANYONE AT THE COUNTY LISTENING? DOES ANYONE IN THE COUNTY CARE? IF SO, LET'S CANCEL THE SO-CALLED PROOF OF CONCEPT TRIAL VISITS FROM PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IN 2024 AND SAY, AN EMPHATIC NO TO ANY FUTURE REQUESTS FROM PRINCESS HOLLAND AMERICA OR ANY OTHER LARGE SHIP CRUISE LINE THAT WANTS TO MAKE A PROFIT FOR THEIR, UH, THEIR, THEIR OFFICERS AND THEIR SHAREHOLDERS AT THE EXPENSE OF OF THE YORK RIVER.
AND, UH, LAST THE PERSON SIGNED UP IS BARBARA LUCK.
BARBARA LUCK, 1 39 SMITH STREET REGARDING THE POLLUTION GENERATED BY PRINCESS AND OTHER MEGA CRUISE SHIPS.
I'D JUST LIKE TO READ ARTICLE 11, SECTION ONE OF FROM THE VIRGINIA STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING NATURAL RESOURCES IN HISTORICAL CITIES OF THE COMMONWEALTH TO THE END THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE CHOSEN HAVE TO THE END, THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE CLEAN AIR, PURE WATER, AND THE USE AND ENJOYMENT FOR RECREATION OF ADEQUATE PUBLIC LANDS, WATERS, AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES.
IT SHALL BE THE POLICY OF THE COMMONWEALTH TO CONSERVE, DEVELOP, AND UTILIZE ITS NATURAL RESOURCES.
ITS PUBLIC LANDS AND ITS HISTORICAL SITES AND BUILDINGS.
FURTHERMORE, IT SHALL BE THE COMMONWEALTH'S POLICY TO PROTECT ITS ATMOSPHERE, LANDS AND WATERS FROM POLLUTION, IMPAIRMENT OR DESTRUCTION FOR THE BENEFIT, ENJOYMENT AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMONWEALTH.
AND INCIDENTALLY, THE WORD DEVELOPMENT APPEARS IN THERE, AND I HASTEN TO ASSURE YOU IT DOESN'T MEAN COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WE COMMONLY USE THE TERM DEVELOPMENT, BUT SIMPLY MANAGING NATURAL RESOURCES TO MEET HUMAN NEEDS WHILE MITIGATING IMPACTS ON THE SOCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENT.
UH, THAT'S THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE ELSE.
SIR, YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? NOPE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR EXCUSE ME, THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN AND START PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
[2* Application No. UP-1014-23 David and Angela Barglof]
THE PUBLIC HEARING.THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 43, THE APPLICATION OF, UM, TO APPROVE A TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING DWELLING AT 2 0 3 BETHUNE DRIVE.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT TO THE FELLOW SUPERVISORS THAT WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON.
UH, THE, UH, UM, THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR THE TOURIST HOMES FOR THIS ONE APPLICATION WAS ACTUALLY SUBMITTED BEFORE THE, UM, THE MORATORIUM STARTED.
AND THEN, UM, AND FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, UH, WHAT I PLAN TO DO AFTER THE, UM, WHEN WE TURN OVER THE, THE CHAIR AND EVERYTHING NEXT YEAR, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO DO IS TAKE ON THE TASK OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAD ASKED US TO DO, WAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME STANDARDS.
AND I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHATNOT HAS LOOKED AT IT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST A PREAMBLE TO THIS APPLICATION, UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
UH, YEAH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION UP 1 0 1 4 DASH TWO THREE DAVID AND ANGELA BARLOW.
IT IS FOR A TOURIST HOME AT 2 0 3 BETHUNE DRIVE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE BLUE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R 13 HIGH DENSITY RE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND HAS THE SAME ZONING SURROUNDING IT ON THREE SIDES.
AND THEN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THERE OFF OF PEWTER PLACE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE WILLIAMSBURG BLUFFS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW IS LOCATED IN CARVER GARDENS.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON ALL SIDES.
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TWO BEDROOM TOURIST HOME IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, AND I'M SORRY, COMING OFF A COLD, SO I'LL TRY TO TO BE A LITTLE LOUDER.UH, THE SUBJECT DWELLING IS 1040 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND INCLUDES TWO BEDROOMS, A BATHROOM, A LIVING ROOM, KITCHEN, DINING ROOM, AND A LAUNDRY ROOM.
THERE'S ALSO FRONT PORCH AND BACK DECK.
UH, THE APPLICANTS DO NOT PROPOSE TO MAKE ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES TO THE HOME.
UH, THE PARKING SPACES REQUIRED IS THREE FOR THIS APPLICATION, ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM BASED ON THE STANDARD PARKING SPACE, DIMENSIONS OF 18 BY NINE FEET, UH, THE ME AND MEASURING THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ABOUT 80 FEET IN LENGTH AND ABOUT 11 FEET IN WIDTH.
UH, THE DRIVEWAY CAN ACCOMMODATE ABOUT FOUR CARS.
UH, SO THAT DOES MEET THE THREE CAR REQUIREMENT.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO APPROVED SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN CARVER GARDENS.
UH, THE NEAREST APPROVED TOURIST HOMES IN WILLIAMSBURG'S BLUFFS SHOWN THERE IN THE GREEN, EXCUSE ME, THE ADJACENT, WHICH IS IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD, A DRIVING DISTANCE ABOUT AT ONE MILE AND 1.2 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT TO MERRIMACK TRAIL TO GET AROUND TO IT AS THERE'S NO ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED SUPPORT LETTERS FROM FOUR HOMES, UH, WITHIN, UM, ADJACENT AREAS SHOWN THERE IN THE BLUE.
AND THOSE WERE IN YOUR PACKET ALONG WITH, UH, TWO EMAILS IN OPPOSITION.
THE ONE IN THE RED, UH, THE YELLOW IS THE HI IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
SO THE RED WAS THE ONE IN OPPOSITION.
THE OTHER, UM, OPPOSITION LETTER WAS, UH, SOMEONE ELSE FROM WITHIN CARVER GARDENS, BUT NOT ADJACENT.
A, UH, PROPOSED CONDITIONS THAT COVER THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE A WHOLE, UH, TWO BEDROOM HOUSE AVAILABLE FOR UP TO FOUR ADULTS, UM, OR SIX PERSONS WHEN IT INCLUDES CHILDREN.
UH, PROPOSED LENGTH OF STAYS RANGES FROM TWO NIGHTS TO 14.
THE, UH, THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR, UH, IF THE PROPERTY DOES TRANSFER, THAT THE OWNER, UH, TRANSFER OWNERSHIP, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOES AWAY.
UH, THERE'S PROHIBITIONS ON SIGNAGE AND, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PRESENCE OF A PRIMARY RESPONSIBLE PARTY, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE APPLICANT'S PARENT.
UM, AS TO THAT, THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS REQUIRED THAT THE OWNER OPERATOR PROPRIETOR EITHER RESIDE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES OR DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UH, WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS THAT ARISE WHILE A RENTALS ARE GOING ON.
THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THEY CURRENTLY ALTERNATE THEIR RESIDENCY BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND ONE THAT THEY HAVE IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY'RE IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY IS WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE, THEY WOULD ALLOW THE TOURIST HOME USE TO HAPPEN AS A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL.
AND THEY HAVE DESIGNATED ONE OF THEIR PARENTS WHO LIVES APPROXIMATELY 5.8 MILES AWAY OR ABOUT 12 MINUTES DRIVING DISTANCE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO STATED THAT THEY HAVE PEOPLE ADJACENT AT TWO HUNDRED AND TWO OH FIVE BETHUNE THAT WILL MONITOR THE PROPERTY, AND THIS MAP SHOWS THAT DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE TO THE THERE.
I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE DESCRIBED THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UH, THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LIMITED IN USE AND WOULD ONLY BE USED WHEN THE APPLICANTS ARE IN THEIR HOME IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY.
UH, THE APPLICANTS HAVE LIVED IN THE HOME FOR 16 YEARS AND PLAN TO CONTINUE THEIR RESIDENCE RESIDENCY IN THE HOME.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED SUPPORT LETTERS, UH, FROM SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UH, THE USE ITSELF MAY NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, THE ARRANGEMENT FOR THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHEN THE OWNERS ARE NOT PRESENT CAUSES SOME CONCERN FOR THE DISTANCE AND TIME NEEDED TO RESPOND TO EVENTS.
THEREFORE, WE AS STAFF ARE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 43, UH, WHICH WHICH DOES HAVE THE CONDITIONS THAT I PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS APPLICATION AT ITS JULY MEETING, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOUR TO THREE.
UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, UH, THE BAR OFFICERS ARE HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, FOR THEM TO SPEAK.
AND, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
LET'S START WITH, UH, MR. GREEN, YOU, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE, WHAT WAS THE CLOSEST, UH, TOURIST TOWN THAT'S, THAT'S ON THERE? SO IT'S IN WILLIAMSBURG BLUFFS.
SO THE YELLOW IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
THE CLOSEST ONE IS HERE OFF OF HAYMAKER PLACE.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FAIRLY CLOSE AS THE BIRD FLIES, BUT, OR CROW FLIES.
UH, BUT TO ACTUALLY DRIVING DISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK OUT ON MERRIMACK TRAIL TO GET TO IT.
I WAS THINKING THERE WAS ONE AT THE CORNER, UH, OF MERRIMACK TRAIL IN THE CARVER GARDENS THAT WE HAD APPROVED ONE TIME.
UM, NO, THERE WAS ONE THAT HAD APPLIED EARLIER IN CARVER GARDENS.
UM, BUT IT WITHDREW AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE
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IT HAD UNANIMOUSLY DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.AND, AND YOU HAD SAID THAT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR HAD, UH, WAS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
THE, UM, THE ONE, LEMME SEE, LEMME GET TO THE RIGHT SLIDE FOR YOU.
THE ONE IN RED IS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, SENT YOU AN EMAIL AND, AND HER OPPOSITION TO IT.
AND ARE THEY HERE TONIGHT TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I, I DO NOT KNOW.
OKAY, MS. NOLL, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY LETTER FROM THE OPPOSITION? UH, YES, THERE WAS, UM, OPPOSITION LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THERE WERE TWO, UH, ONE FROM I THINK MS. DOW AND ONE FROM MR. JOHNS.
MS. DOW IS THE ONE THAT'S ADJACENT IN RED AT 1 0 9 LUTHER PLACE.
THAT IT MS. SMITH? NO, THAT'S IT.
UH, WHILE YOU WANT TO FIND IT.
YEAH, IF THE, UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, I'D LIKE TO, UH, HEAR, UH, HIM OR HER DISCUSS THE, UH, SHARE WITH US THE DISCUSSION WITH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IN RED.
WE'LL, WE'LL CALL ON 'EM IN A MINUTE.
UM, SO THEY, SO SO YOU, I THINK YOU COVERED IT AND ADDRESSED IN THE, IN THE PACKET.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CHANGES.
SO THE INTENTION IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WILL NOT RESIDE ON-PREM OR WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE IT'S BEING RENTED.
AND ALSO FURTHERMORE, THE UM, RESPONSIBLE PARTY NEED IS ALSO NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE OFF-PREM, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I, THIS IS, UH, FROM THE STAFF AND TO THE SUPERVISOR.
I LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION HERE.
I SEE A TIGHT, TIGHT APPROVALS, UH, SEVEN BOARD MEMBER OR SEVEN PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS WERE PRESENT, WHICH HAS BEEN UNUSUAL.
UH, SO, BUT THERE WAS A FOUR TO THREE VOTE.
AND THEN I LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND IT SAYS, GIVEN THE ABSENCE OF SIGNAGE, THE SMALL SIZE OF THE HOME, THE LIMITED NUMBER OF RENTERS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AT ANY ONE TIME, AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, I DO NOT BELIEVE TO PROPOSE TOURIST HOME IS LIKELY TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEN I DROP DOWN IN AT THE SAME, SAME PART.
AND IT SAYS, ALTHOUGH I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS WOULD REPRESENT A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, IT'S ALREADY, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, I RECOMMEND DENIAL BASED ON THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY RESIDING SEVERAL MILES FROM THE PROPERTY.
SO THE ONE THING I TAKE AWAY FROM THIS, THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM AN ADMINISTRATOR IS THAT THE PROXIMITY ISSUE OF A RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS, IS THE, IS THE ISSUE.
CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT.
NOW, IF I LOOK AT PREVIOUS, AND I REMEMBER THAT ONE WHERE WE HAD TO BRING BACK UP FROM WALT'S DISTRICT WHERE THE PERSON HAD THE HOME UP IN DISTRICT ONE, BUT WAS RESIDING IN GRAFTON, WHICH WAS MM-HMM.
THEY HAD A PERSON THOUGH THAT CAME IN AND SAID THAT, YES, I WILL WATCH THE HOME, I'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF IT.
BUT THAT WAS LIKE A NEIGHBOR? CORRECT.
SO WAS THAT THE MAIN ISSUE FOR APPROVAL? I MEAN, IT GOT DENIED AND THEN TURNED AROUND LATER.
WE APPROVED IT AFTER A FURTHER FURTHER REVIEW.
BUT IS THAT, IS THAT THE REAL CRUX OF WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE? CORRECT.
OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE, ALMOST 12 MINUTE TIME TO GET THERE.
WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE, YOU SHOULD BE APPROVED.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE APPROVED OTHERWISE, IF THERE WAS A NEIGHBOR THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT, YOU KNOW, SAID THAT THEY WOULD DO IT, MORE THAN LIKELY I, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO THE DISTANCE IS, IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET TO IT OR TO, OR HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GET TO IT? IT'S FOR THEM TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE TO GET TO THEM.
SO THE APPLICANT IS GONNA BE IN CHARLES CITY COUNTY, AND THEIR PARENTS WHO LIVE 12 MINUTES AWAY WILL BE THE PRIMARY RESPONDING PARTY.
NOW, AND WE FELT THAT WAS TOO FAR AWAY.
AND THEN WE HAD ONE, ONE WHERE IT WAS, UH, TURNED DOWN WHERE THE, THAT THERE WAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LITTLE AREA THAT HAS THE CANALS.
UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OWNERS IN SEAFORD.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN SEAFORD.
IT'S THE ONE THAT HAD, IT WAS ACROSS FROM THE, THE MARINA? NO, IT WASN'T NEAR THE MARINA.
THIS IS THE GUY, THE GUY WASN'T THE GUY THERE.
AND, AND BUT HIS POINT WAS THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS THE GUN.
IT WASN'T BE AROUND THE TIME HE COULD BE AROUND AND IT WAS TURNED DOWN THEN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
SO, 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO CLEAR STANDARD RIGHT TO RIGHT NOW TO GO BY O OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, KENTUCKY WINDAGE.
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THEN I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD AND, AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME.
UM, MY NAME IS ANGELA BARLA AND MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE ONES THAT RESIDE AT 2 0 3 BETHUNE DRIVE.
UM, I PREPARED A STATEMENT, BUT I'LL JUMP AROUND TO ANSWER THE MOST PRESSING QUESTIONS.
UM, I RECEIVED NOTIFICATION LAST NIGHT THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL BECAUSE OF THE, UM, RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UM, WHEN WE'RE NOT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE USING OUR HOUSE REGULARLY.
WE'RE ONLY 30 MINUTES AWAY AT OUR FARM IN CHARLES CITY.
SO MY FATHER AND MOTHER, WHO LIVED 12 MINUTES AWAY AGREED TO DO, UM, SO, AND WE MOVED FORWARD WITH A PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY APPROVED IT.
SO LAST NIGHT WHEN I READ THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CAUSE FOR NOT RECOMMENDING, I WENT TO SPEAK WITH MY NEIGHBOR, GLORIA PALMER, WHO LIVES AT 2 0 5 BASSOON DRIVE.
AND I HAVE A LETTER HERE THAT SHE SIGNED FOR ME TODAY.
UM, THAT SAID THAT SHE WOULD GLADLY ACT, UM, KEEP AN EYE ON OUR PROPERTY.
SHE HAS ALL OF OUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND SHE WOULD GLADLY SERVE AS ESSENTIALLY A LIAISON OR PERSON ON PREMISE IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, AND BE THERE UNTIL EITHER MY FATHER OR OURSELVES CAN MAKE IT TO THE PROPERTY IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
HOW FAR AWAY IS THIS PERSON? SHE'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO ON THE IMAGE THAT THEY BROUGHT UP, OUR, THE HOUSE THAT'S OBJECTING IS HERE, RIGHT HERE.
SHE'S RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US.
AND YOU HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT YET BECAUSE IT WAS JUST DEVELOPING THIS MORNING, UM, WHEN I LEARNED LAST NIGHT.
IS THAT A SIGNED LETTER? YEP, IT'S SIGNED RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO I GUESS THE NEXT PRESSING MATTER WAS THE OPPOSITION FROM, UM, TWO NEIGHBORS.
ONE LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, BUT THE MORE PRESSING ONE WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
UM, WE'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS AND WE HAVE NEVER MET HER OR EVER EVEN SEEN HER ON PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND SHE LIVES OUT OF STATE AND HAS RENTED THAT PROPERTY TO NUMEROUS TENANTS THE WHOLE TIME WE'VE RESIDED THERE.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES AND HOW TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HER.
UM, SO THERE, THERE WASN'T A DIALOGUE THAT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE HAS NEVER BEEN IN OUR PRESENCE THE WHOLE TIME WE'VE LIVED THERE.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, AND THEN ONE OF HER OBJECTIONS, BECAUSE YOU ALL DID SEND ME THE EMAIL, SHE STATED THAT, UM, SHE, SORRY, UM, IS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THAT HER RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE A STEADY STREAM OF SHORT-TERM RENTERS IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OVER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UM, TAKING UP OUR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCOME, OUR, OUR AVAILABILITY.
UM, BUT WE ARE A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT WE REQUIRE STILL REGULAR USE OF OUR WILLIAMSBURG PROPERTY AND WE WILL BE THERE WEEKLY.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO RENT IT OUT ON THE OCCASIONS THAT ARISE, UM, A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH TO HELP, UM, GENERATE MORE REVENUE INCOME FOR US BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS A DISABLED VETERAN AND WE LIVE OFF OF HIS RETIREMENT INCOME.
UM, BUT SHE, UH, SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT OUR HOUSE DOESN'T FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORIZATION OF OUR HOUSE BECOMING A COMMERCIAL, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY.
AND THEN SHE ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT NOISE AND TRAFFIC MAKING THE AREA LESS PEACEFUL AND QUIET.
AND THEN PER THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMORANDUM, ITEM SEVEN UNDER CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS STATED THAT THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD NOT HAVE HAVE ANY TRAFFIC IMPACT ON BETHUNE DRIVE BEYOND THAT OF A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING.
SO I DID REALLY LOOK INTO HER CONCERNS, EVEN THOUGH I'VE NEVER MET HER OR SPOKEN WITH HER.
UM, AND I FEEL THOSE CONCERNS DON'T APPLY IN OUR UNIQUE SITUATIONS.
SO, UM, I AM SORRY I'VE BOUNCED AROUND WITH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY NOW, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I COULD CLARIFY FOR YOU? OKAY, LET'S THAT, YOU'VE ANSWERED SOME OF THEM.
UH, MR. GREEN SAID, UH, THAT YOU HAD A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.
WHAT IS NEXT DOOR? WHAT IS, WHAT'S HER NAME? GLORIA PALMER.
HOW OLD IS SHE? UM, SHE'S IN HER SEVENTIES.
LIKE, UM, SHE'S GETTING READY TO RETIRE YOUNG SEVENTIES OR SHE IS RETIRED RECENTLY.
SHE IS VERY PHYSICALLY ACTIVE AND IN GOOD SHAPE, SO YEAH.
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NO, SHE, I ADMIRE HER BECAUSE SHE'S VERY YOUTHFUL.OKAY, SHEILA, UH, YOU HAVE NOT MET, MET THIS WOMAN WHO, WHO OPPOSED? IS HER PROPERTY A RENTAL PROPERTY? IT IS UHHUH.
AND ALSO I SPOKE TO ACROSS DIAGONAL FROM US ACROSS THE STREET, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT DOLAN.
UM, SHE RENTS IT OUT AND I MADE SURE TO CONTACT HER AND UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW HER, SHE'S BEEN AROUND, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE HER AND, UM, SHE HAD SOME CONCERNS AND WE HAD A DIALOGUE.
AND AFTER OUR DIALOGUE, SHE WAS WILLING TO WRITE THE RECOMMENDATION.
MR. ZUMBA? NO, I THINK MY, UH, CONCERNS WERE ANSWERED VERY WELL BY YOU.
SO CAN I SPEAK PLEASE? OH, THIS IS, UM, MY, THAT PART OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, DOUG COMPTON, UM, 1101, UM, QUEENS CROSSING.
UM, I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE PUZZLED BY THE CONCERN OF A 12 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME.
WHAT WOULD BE SO DETRIMENTAL TO HAVING A 12 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME THAT IT'S A CONCERN? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT AT A POINT, WE'RE NOT A POINT RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I CAN SAY THERE'S, IT IS LIKE IT'S KENTUCKY WINDAGE, THAT'S JUST A, MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR.
YEAH, I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
BUT NOW I'M HOPING THAT SINCE I WAS MADE AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND WAS ABLE TO TALK TO GLORIA, OUR DIRECT NEIGHBOR, THAT SHE'S WILLING TO FILL IN UNTIL ONE OF US CAN GET THERE.
I HOPE THAT IF YOU COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WE'D GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.
WHAT I'M GONNA, WHAT, UM, SO COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ALRIGHT, SO BASED UPON WHAT YOU JUST HEARD, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS MR. MORGAN'S RECOMMENDATION.
NO, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OFF THE HOOK HERE.
SO WOULD YOU THINK, WOULD YOU THINK THAT THAT CHANGES THE RECOMMENDATION OF NO SIR.
I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT IT WOULD NOT.
JUST, WE'RE JUST NOW TALKING HERE REAL QUICK.
SO, SO, UM, OH GOSH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STANDARDS HERE.
SO THE, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS IN, YOU KNOW, SO THE OLD TRUST MAY VERIFY KIND OF THING.
I'M GONNA ASK THE PUBLIC, WE'RE GONNA ASK THE PUBLIC TO COME UP AND TALK, BUT IT'S WHERE WE INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS TO, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS BASICALLY SUPPORTING IT NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SOMEHOW CONTINUES TO BE IN THAT POSITION WITHOUT HER BEING THERE, THEN IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT RESOLUTION.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IN OTHER WORDS, I'M JUST TRYING TO CODIFY THE FACT THAT SHE'S, THAT THAT PERSON'S GONNA BE STILL INVOLVED OR SOMEBODY WITHIN A, WITHIN A COMMUNITY WITHIN A COUPLE HOUSES.
YOU, YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? NO.
SO ALL OUR RESOLUTIONS, ALL OUR RESOLUTIONS ON THIS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAVE BEEN BASED ON SOMEBODY BEING EITHER ON THE PROPERTY OR VERY CLOSE.
SO, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS NEIGHBOR DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE AFTER A WHILE, DECIDES TO SELLER HOUSE AND MOVE ON? SO WE GO BACK TO THE 12 MINUTES.
SO IT GOES TO THE OLD QUESTION THEN, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH 12 MINUTES? SO I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
THIS IS, YOU GUYS GOTTA SOLVE THIS ISSUE HERE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT IN YOUR RESOLUTION UNDER NUMBER FIVE, YEAH.
UH, THE TOURIST HOME SHALL BE SUPERVISED AND MANAGED BY A PERSON WHO SHALL RESIDE AND BE PRESENT AT THE ADDRESS OF 1 1 0, 1 QUEENS CROSSING, WHICH IS, UH, HER DAD.
IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THAT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, IF THAT, UH, WHATEVER THE ADDRESS IS, WE COULD GET THAT, WE COULD MODIFY THE RESOLUTION AND MAKE THIS AN R MM-HMM.
SO DO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE JUST SAID? DO YOU, CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT? OTHERWISE WHAT HAPPENS IS SHE, IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOUR, YOUR SPECIAL USE PERMITS IS NULL AND VOID, RIGHT.
SO YOU, SO I WANT YOU CAN COME BACK UP,
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS TO BE YOUR, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT WITHIN THREE OR FOUR HOUSES, WHATEVER THE DISTANCE IS AT THIS, AND WE'RE GONNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE THIS ADDRESS.
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CHANGES HER MIND LATER OR GOES AWAY SELLS HER HOUSE GOES AWAY, THEN YOUR SHORT TERM, YOUR, YOUR SHORT TERM, YOUR SUB BECOMES VOID.SO SAY SHE DOES MOVE AWAY, GOES AWAY ANOTHER NEIGHBOR, IF I ARE ABLE TO GET THEM TO MAKE THE SAME RIGHT THEN YOU AGREEMENT, THEN IT WOULD STILL BE VALID.
SO, UM, YEAH, I I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
I WOULD WANT TO, UM, ADDRESS IT WITH GLORIA AND MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S, UM, GOOD TOO.
WELL WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT RESTRICTION ON HERE.
SO I'M SAYING IT'S GONNA BE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND SOMEHOW YOU GOTTA WORD IT SO IT CAN BE A DISTANCE THING BECAUSE I WANNA INFORM HER THAT THEY'RE NOW PUTTING HER NAME.
WELL, SHE SIGNED THE LETTER, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, SHE SIGNED THE LETTER.
LET ME, UH, LET ME OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
UM, I'M OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS THIS? THIS IS, WHICH ONE IS THIS? NUMBER TWO? I'M LOST COUNT.
WHERE IS THAT RELATIONSHIP TO, UH,
I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
UM, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, FIRST I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THIS BACK ON THE DOCKET AGAIN, BUT APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION, SIR.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD OVER DISTANCE TO THE PROPERTY ON A NUMBER OF THESE HEARINGS.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN MR. MORGAN COME ONLINE AND SAY IN ONE EXAMPLE, BACK IN THE SEAFORD AREA THAT IT WAS TOO FAR AWAY AND IT WAS BASICALLY EVENTUALLY WITHDRAWN BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION SAID NO, THIS ONE COMES UP.
WE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU REFERENCED A LITTLE BIT AGO, UH, WHERE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, THE OWNER WAS GOING TO LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, BUT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO BEING THERE ALL THE TIME.
HERE WE HAVE A CASE WHERE WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY, SEVERAL MILES AWAY DISTANCE ISSUE.
NOW WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE NEIGHBOR? THE QUESTION YOU ASK MR. SHEPHERD THE LAST TIME WAS, WILL THAT PERSON COMMIT TO BEING THERE THE ENTIRE TIME, EVERY RENTAL? AND WITHOUT THAT COMMITMENT, YOU WERE LOATHED TO MAKE THAT APPROVAL.
MY COMMENT HERE IS I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT COMMITMENT AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS GET TABLED OR PUT ASIDE UNTIL YOU HAVE THAT COMMITMENT.
UNLESS YOU CAN'T GET THAT COMMITMENT THAT BE DENIED.
I OPPOSE IT AS IT THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, THIS ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT, THAT THAT PERSON'S REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN THE PROXIMITY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL HINGES ON APPROVAL OF THIS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD, MR. SHEPHERD? I SURE.
CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT, UH, UNTIL, UH, THE SAID RESPONSIBLE PARTY CAN COME ON RECORD AND SAY, UH, THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, UH, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE RENTAL.
IF, IF, IF NOT, IF, IF NOT, IF NOT, I'M GONNA VOTE TO, UH, OPPOSE TO DENY THE APPLICATION.
IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION POINT RIGHT YET.
SO A MOTION TO TABLE'S BEEN MADE.
UM, NOW IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE A LETTER FROM THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT LOCKS IT IN AND IF THAT PERSON CANNOT DO IT, THEN THEY LOSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD TABLE IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT THAT PERSON IN PERSON AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR DISCUSSION? WE'RE, WE'RE REGARDING THE TABLE ON IT.
I'M, I DON'T SEE WHERE THINGS ARE GONNA CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE GET BROUGHT BACK UP, SO, OKAY.
I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND AS THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER APPROVING IT CONDITIONAL ON GETTING THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE FROM THAT NEIGHBOR? OKAY.
SO, AND MY, MY POINT IS, MM-HMM,
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BE PRESENT OR ANOTHER PERSON WITHIN A PROXIMITY OR THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOESN'T EXIST.IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT DOES, IF THAT, IF THAT DOESN'T EXIST, IT DOES, THEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT GOES AWAY.
SO, TABLE AND IS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO THAT.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ME CONTINUE TO VOTE OR WITHDRAW, I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO TABLE.
SO NO OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THE RESOLUTION.
SO, WELL, SO TO GET BACK WHAT I KIND OF ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PROPERTY, IT'S ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
NOBODY'S GONNA BE MORE TIED INTO THE OWNERSHIP, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE RESPONSIVE TO ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
IT'S NOT ABOUT KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PROPERTY CASE, THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE NEIGHBOR'S ISSUES IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE PROPERTY AND, AND THE, AND THE RENTERS.
AND NOBODY'S GONNA DO THAT BETTER AND HAVE BETTER OWNERSHIP OF THAT THAN THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELF.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT FROM THE GET-GO ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO BE ON-PREM OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE IT'S BEING RENTED SO THEY CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SHOULD THERE BE ISSUES NOT ABOUT KEEPING, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, THAT HOPEFULLY KIND OF ADDRESSES WHAT YOU WERE ASKING EARLIER.
SO, WELL THAT'S, AND THAT'S OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
BUT REMEMBER WE DID APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED THEM, THE NEIGHBOR WATCHING THE PROPERTY.
AND UNTIL WE CHANGE THE RULES, THAT'S AN OPTION.
THE BOARD HAS APPROVED IT, BUT I, I HAVE NOT AGREED TO TO THAT ON ALL THIS CASES.
SO, WELL, I MEAN, I JUST, GREAT.
IN FACT, THIS IS WHY I WANNA GET TO, I WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS, FOCUS ON THIS LATER.
BUT AT THIS POINT WE'VE GOT A RES GIMME THE RESOLUTION.
PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 43.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 1 43 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
MR. ZAREMBA, I'M WILLING TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T MOVE IT JUST EITHER WE'VE GOT IT ALREADY.
OH, YOU CAN'T MOVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE CONDITIONS IN THERE, BUT WILL IT HAVE THE CONDITION IN THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SAID SHE'LL GET FROM THE NEIGHBOR? YES.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IF THAT, IF THAT'S CLEAR, IT'S REQUIRED.
IF, IF, IF THAT'S REQUIRED, YES.
UM, OKAY, MR. SHEPHERD, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT AN R IF OF COURSE WE DO IT AS AMENDED.
SO LET ME RESTATE THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THE, THE RES, THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 43 R TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED, RIGHT? MR. ZAREMBA? YES.
OKAY, SO YOU NOW HAVE YOUR, YOUR APPROVAL.
AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW THE PERMITS.
THE STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
[3* Application No. UP-1021-23, LA Tint.]
CONSIDER ADOPTION OF A PROS RESOLUTION.AND THIS IS TO APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, IT LOOKS LIKE A SERVICE ESTABLISHED AT 1900.
THIS IS FOR LIKE TINTING OF WINDOWS, I BELIEVE.
SO THIS IS FOR UP 1 0 2 1 DASH 23 LA TENT, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE AT 1900 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
SHOWN IN THE BLUE, UH, ZONING IS GENERAL BUSINESS, UM, MAINLY ON THREE SIDES SURROUNDED BY GENERAL BUSINESS PROPERTIES.
IT DOES BACK UP TO TAB LAKES THOUGH, SO IT, UM, DOES BACK UP TO THAT R 20.
IT IS IN AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER, AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES HERE IN A MINUTE.
UH, SO ADJACENT USES TO THE NORTH IS VACANT, UM, ACROSS 17 MULTIPLE BUSINESSES.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THE RETAIL STRIP CENTER.
MM-HMM,
UM, UH, UM, CUSTOM CAR CARE THERE.
AND THEN IT DOES BACK UP TO THREE HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN, UH, THE TAB LAKES, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE LOCATION, UH, WHERE THE APPLICANT WILL BE GOING INTO UNIT D.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET.
UM, OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER INCLUDE A PORTABLE SPA, SHOWROOM, A RESTAURANT, AND A TOBACCO STORE.
UH, THE PROPOSED USE FALLS UNDER THE, UM, BODY WORK SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THOUGH IT'S NOT REALLY BODY WORK LIKE POPPING DENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IT'S REALLY JUST PUTTING, APPLYING TENT TO WINDOWS USING SOAP AND WATER.
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THE APPLICANT.UH, HE ONLY DOES TWO TO THREE CARS A DAY, UH, ALL INSIDE THE UNIT.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, THIS IS THE BACK.
SO THERE'S A GARAGE DOOR, SO HE'LL PULL THE CAR IN, PUT THE CAR TENTING ON, AND THEN PULL IT OUT.
UM, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO, MM-HMM,
THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING IN THE FRONT ALONG AS WELL AS IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
NEAREST HOME IS ABOUT 165 FEET AWAY, UH, FROM THE BACK OF THE CENTER.
UH, SO THERE MAY, THERE COULD BE CONCERNS WITH NOISE, UH, BUT TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES BETWEEN GENERAL BUSINESS AND R 20.
A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER IS AS AN 80 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER.
THAT'S, WELL, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S FULLY, BUT, UH, MM-HMM.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE, UH, THAT'S ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE THAT THAT ALSO PROTECTS THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO ANY POTENTIAL CONCERNS, UM, WE, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS, WE ALSO PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ALL OF HIS WORK MUST BE PERFORMED INSIDE WITH THE GARAGE DOOR DOWN, UH, JUST IN CASE THERE IS ANY NOISE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, THAT ALL THE WORK OCCURS INSIDE.
UH, HE HAS VEHICLES DROPPED OFF OR BEING PICKED UP.
THEY'RE LIMITED TO ONLY BEING THERE FOR 72 HOURS.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF A STANDARD WITH THESE AUTO RELATED USES.
UM, NO STORAGE OF PARTS OR SUPPLIES OUTSIDE.
AND THEN THERE'S A FEW THINGS IN THERE FROM THE VIRGINIA FIRE CODE THAT THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY DEPARTMENT WANTED US TO CONSIDER.
UH, THE USE IS VERY SMALL, UH, VERY NOT VERY IMPACTFUL.
UM, MOST MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED USES IN GENERAL BUSINESS HAVE TO COME FORWARD TO YOU AS A SPECIAL USE REMIT 'CAUSE YOU WANTED TO REVIEW THEM, IMPOSE REASONABLE CONDITIONS, ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USES.
AND WE FEEL THIS OPERATION DOES.
UM, THE, UH, THERE WAS NO, UH, WE DID SEND A LETTER TO TAP HOA OR TAB LAKES HOA AND AND GOT THE RESPONSE THAT THEY WERE NOT CONCERNED WITH THIS ONE.
UH, SO WE FEEL IT IS COMPATIBLE AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT.
UH, YOU HAVE RESOLUTION 23 DASH 1 44.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID REVIEW THIS AND THEY RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUSLY SEVEN TO ZERO, UH, FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
WHERE'S THE ATTENDING GONNA TAKE PLACE? IN THE FRONT OR BACK? INSIDE THE UNIT? ONE MINUTE, BUT HOW DO YOU, OKAY.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO ADD, ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS DOWN THERE, CHAD? OH, FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
SHEILA, THE STAFF? NO, I'LL WAIT TO THE APPLICANT.
ANYTHING FOR THE STAFF? WALT? NO QUESTION.
SO THE, THE 72 HOURS FOR, UH, CARS BEING STORED, IS THAT 72 BUSINESS HOURS OR 72 CALENDAR HOURS? THREE DAYS.
UM, AND DOES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT LIMIT THE ONLY ACTIVITY TO BE WINDOW TINTING OR CAN ANYTHING UNDER AUTO BODY WORK OCCUR IF THIS IS APPROVED? UH, LEMME LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION.
I THINK IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS TINTING IN THERE.
YES, IT DOES SAY LIMITED TO VEHICLE, WINDOW TENT, INSTALLATION AND SALES.
SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT? YES.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION WILL BE YOU TO THE APPLICANT.
WHERE AND THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD.
UH, AND YOU GOT 10 MINUTES IF YOU WANNA TALK THAT LONG.
NOT REALLY
AND, UM, AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS, IS, UH, I'M, I'M GOING TO BE USING A, A SPECIAL FILM.
IT'S MADE BY THREE M, IT'S CALLED CRYSTALLINE.
SO IT'S LIKE A, IT'S REALLY HIGH PERFORMANCE FILM.
SO LIKE YOU COULD HAVE A CLEAR FILM AND STILL GET REALLY GOOD HEAT REJECTION.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THERE.
SO, SO TELL US HOW YOU DO THIS TINTING.
IF YOU GOTTA TAKE THE WINDOW OUT OF THE CAR TO DO IT? NO, NO.
SO WE, UH, USE THE, THE, THE WINDOW AS THE PATTERN.
SO WE CUT IT OUT ON THE PATTERN AND THEN WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY SHRINK THE FILM TO FORM THE SHAPE OF THE GLASS.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, CLEAN, UH, THE WINDOW WITH SOAP AND WATER.
AND THEN, UH, WE PEELED THE CLEAR PLASTIC COVERING OFF THE FILM, PUT IT ON THE WINDOW WITH SOAP AND WATER, AND THEN SQUEEGEE OUT THE SOAP AND WATER AND THEN IT STICKS.
DO YOU DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE STORE OR THE BACK? THE BACK OF THE STORE.
UH, CHAD, DO YOU, ANY QUESTIONS? UM, YOUR WORK WILL BE TAKING PLACE INSIDE? YEAH,
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THE BUILDING.I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO WINDOW THING OUT, OUT OUTSIDE 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DUST IN THERE
AND HOW MANY, UH, CARS DO YOU THINK YOU'LL DO A DAY? YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, MAYBE TWO MAX THREE.
YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA HIRE ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A LONG TIME AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT'S BEST IF I JUST DO THE WORK MYSELF, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THE HEADACHE OF ANY EMPLOYEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND WHAT IS WINDOW TINTING ON A AUTO VEHICLE? USUALLY COST.
OKAY, SO THIS FILM THAT I'M USING ON AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BASIC FILM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 300.
IF YOU GO TO CERAMIC FILMS THAT REJECT MORE HEAT, YOU'RE ABOUT 500.
THE FILM THAT I WANNA USE IS AROUND 700, 7 50.
THAT'S WHAT I'M PLANNING TO CHARGE.
SO THE MARKET IS LIMITED, I THINK.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE CRANKING OUT CARS, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M HAPPY WITH DOING LIKE TWO CARS A DAY AND THAT'S IT.
DO THE STATE POLICE REGULATE THE, UH, TENT, THE DARKNESS THAT YOU CAN PUT ON THE THEY DO.
SO THE, THE LAW IN VIRGINIA IS 50%, WHICH IS REALLY LIGHT.
SO THE BIGGER THE NUMBER LIGHTER THE FILM.
AND THEN THE BACK IS, UH, 35% ON SEDANS.
UH, AND THEN AS DARK AS YOU'D LIKE ON MINIVANS AND SUVS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS.
SO YOU COULD HAVE LIMO ON THE BACK, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN, BUT THE THING IS, I THINK, UH, STARTING THIS YEAR, WELL ACTUALLY THEY DID, THEY PASSED A LAW SAYING THAT THE POLICEMEN, UH, CANNOT PULL A CAR OVER JUST FOR THE WINDOW TINT.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE PULLED OVER FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THEY WOULD GET A TICKET FOR THE WINDOW TENT.
SO YEAH, THEY JUST CHANGED THE LAW THIS YEAR.
WELL, WHAT, UH, FOR PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, IF ANY, HAS TO BE WORN PROTECTIVE CLOTHING, WINDOW TIN IN THE CAR? YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, YOU, WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO WEAR, I'M, I'M, I'VE JUST RESPONDED TO ONE OF YOUR ADS FOR EMPLOYMENT.
I SHOW UP AND, AND YOU, LIKE ME, I'M, I'M A HUSKY GUY.
UHHUH, I CAN DO PHYSICAL WORK.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT MY LUNGS.
SO DO I HAVE TO WEAR ANY KIND OF PROTECTIVE MASK LIKE WE HAD TO? OH, NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.
NO, IT'S JUST THE FILM IS JUST, UH, POLYESTER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST PLASTIC BASICALLY.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WE USE SOAP AND WATER.
IT LOOKS LIKE FROM LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF THE, YOUR GARAGE DOOR BACK, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE LIMITED TO THE SIZE OF VEHICLES YOU CAN GET IN THERE.
OR DO YOU HAVE SOME LIMIT HOW BIG OF A VEHICLE YOU WANNA WORK ON? IF SOMEBODY BRINGS IN A, WELL, I, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO LIKE A, A SPRINTER VAN, LIKE REALLY TALL BUILDING, UH, CARS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST REFUSE THAT WORK ALL RIGHT.
BUT, UH, BASIC, UH, TRUCKS, MINIVANS CARS WOULD BE FINE.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LARGE VEHICLES ROLLING IN THERE TO GET NO TINTED UP 'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO PUT 'EM IN THE GARAGE.
SO BASICALLY REGULAR STREET CARS AND PICKUP TRUCKS.
AND NOW I'LL OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS, UH, BOARD, ANYBODY, EVEN THE BOARD GOT A, EXCUSE ME, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A RESOLUTION MOTION HERE.
I, I, WE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 44.
SO ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 44 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
SO YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, YOU HAVE PERMISSION TO, UH, START YOUR BUSINESS DOWN THERE.
[4* York County Comprehensive Plan Update – Charting the Course to 2040.]
FOUR IS THE RESOLUTION, PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 45, YOUR COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UPDATE CHARTER CHARTING THE COURSE TO 2040.EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU ALL RECEIVED A VERY DETAILED STAFF BRIEFING ON THE DRAFT COMP PLAN AT YOUR OCTOBER 3RD WORK SESSION.
SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH IN THE WAY OF A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
UM, OF COURSE YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT ON THE COMP PLAN AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
THIS WILL MARK THE 46TH PUBLIC MEETING THAT
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WE'VE HAD ON THIS PROJECT GOING BACK TO NOVEMBER OF 2018.UH, AND THAT INCLUDES 34 STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UH, FOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, INCLUDING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, AND OF COURSE THE WORK SESSION.
AND THEN TONIGHT, UH, I DO HAVE ONE CHANGE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE 2040 LAND USE MAP, UH, TO MENTION TONIGHT, UH, WE JUST BECAME AWARE LAST WEEK THAT THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG HAS PURCHASED YET ANOTHER, UH, 69 ACRES OF LAND AROUND THE WALLER MILL RESERVOIR.
THE TWO PARCEL OUTLINED IN BLUE HERE, UH, ONE IS, UH, A 50 ACRE PARCEL HERE AT 8 0 1 GREG LANE.
AND THEN THE ONE UP, UH, UH, ALONG EAST ROSHAMBO DRIVE AT THE ENTRANCE TO SHANKA ESTATES.
UH, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY'RE NOW OWNED BY THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG FOR WATERSHED PROTECTION, PUR PURCHASES PURPOSES,
BOTH PARCELS BE CHANGED TO, UH, CONSERVATION.
UH, AND, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE DENSITY? DENSITY? WELL, WE CHANGE IT.
SO WHAT'S THE DENSITY? ONE, ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES? WELL, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ZONING, UH, ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL REZONE THOSE PROPERTIES TO RESOURCE CONSERVATION DENSITY WILL BE FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.
THE CITY HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
THEY INDICATED THAT THEIR ONLY INTEREST IS WATERSHED PROTECTION.
BUT YES, IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE, IF THOSE PARCELS WERE REZONED TO RESOURCE CONSERVATION, A MAXIMUM OF ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES WOULD BE ALLOWED.
AND THAT HAD TO BE REFLECTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDED AN UPDATE TO THE DRAFT.
IT'S TO CHANGE THAT TO THOSE TWO PARCELS OF RESOURCE CONSERVATION LATER ON, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE UP WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT IT TO REZO.
TYPICALLY AFTER, UH, THERE'S A COMP PLAN UPDATE, THERE WILL BE A, A FOLLOW ON, UH MM-HMM.
SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN SOMETIME NEXT YEAR.
AS FAR AS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH A RESOLUTION IN YOUR PACKAGE IF, UH, YOU ARE INCLINED TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, UH, IF NOT, YOU CAN POSTPONE ACTION UNTIL, UH, DECEMBER.
AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL.
SO THEY, THEY WOULD BE, UH, THERE'D BE AN R BY THE RESOLUTION? UH, NO.
NO, THEY, THEY, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION FOR THIS.
I GOT, I GOT A QUESTION IF I COULD.
WHO, WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY THAT WILLIAMSBURG BOUGHT? YOU MEAN WHO OWNED IT PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE PURCHASE? YEAH.
UH, GOSH, I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND, AND FROM WHO DID THEY BUY IT? YEAH, I, I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
THE WAY THIS CAME ABOUT, UH, CAME TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, UH, SOMEBODY HAD SUBMITTED A SUBDIVISION PLAN, UH, SORT OF A FOR COURTESY REVIEW ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S ABOUT A 50 ACRE PROPERTY.
AND ONE OF OUR PLANNERS, UH, SENT IT TO THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG SINCE IT IS IN THE WATERSHED.
AND THE CITY
UH, AND SO IT CAME TO LIGHT THAT, UH, IT'S NOT OPEN FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND THE CITY INDICATED THEY HAVE NO PLANS TO DEVELOP IT.
SO I EMAILED, EMAILED HIM BACK AND MADE SURE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU MIND IF WE CHANGE THE DESIGNATION TO CONSERVATION? AND THEY SAID YES.
AND, AND THEY SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, WE ALSO ACQUIRED THIS OTHER PIECE OFF EAST ROW SHAMBO.
AND SAME THING, NOT INTENDED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT.
SO THESE WERE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT WERE OWNED BY THE COUNTY? THEY WERE PART NO, THEY WERE, THEY WERE OWNED BY PRIVATE, UH, OWNERS.
I JUST DON'T, DON'T RECALL WHO THE OWNERS WERE.
YEAH, THEY WERE IN PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.
I GUESS WE GOTTA DO A PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
SO ARE YOU UP HERE TO SAY SOMETHING? I'M JUST WAITING MR. SHEPHERD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET OUT, GET OUTTA CONTROL.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD.
THE BOARD'S ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS OF EVERYBODY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'LL DO IS START, I'VE GOT THE LIST HERE.
UH, THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE, UH, GENE CIDER.
I'M GIVING, THESE ARE THE WAY IN THE ORDER WHICH I GOT 'EM.
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DRIVE AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.I'M SPEAKING ON HALF OF THE PLAN.
I WAS, UH, NEIL MORGAN ASKED ME TO SIT ON IT AS ONE OF THE FIVE CITIZENS.
I, UM, I'VE LIVED HERE ABOUT 20 SOME YEARS.
UH, JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO WHY I HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS, I'LL GO INTO MY BACKGROUND.
I'M ORIGINALLY FROM NEW JERSEY, WHICH IS ONE OF MY FRAMES OF REFERENCE FOR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M FROM NEW JERSEY.
I WENT BACK AND DID MY CALCULATIONS.
I'VE LIVED IN 14 STATES, THREE COUNTRIES, MOVED 16 TIMES.
AT THE END OF THIS CAREER, MY WIFE AND I SAT DOWN AND FIGURED OUT WHERE DO WE WANNA LIVE? AND IF YOU'RE A RETIRED MILITARY, YOU CAN LIVE ABOUT ANYWHERE.
AND WE CHOSE HERE AND WE NEVER LIVED HERE BEFORE.
AND WE CHOSE HERE FOR THE OBVIOUS REASONS THAT PEOPLE DO.
FIRST AND FOREMOST SCHOOLS, WE HAD THREE BOYS AND THE ONES THE LATER TWO WENT TO VIRGINIA SCHOOLS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE COLLEGE.
LOW CRIME THREE FOR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS, UH, MEDICAL CARE AND AMENITIES.
AND, UH, FOURTH, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A NICE PLACE TO LIVE.
SO WHEN I GOT PUT ON THE COMMITTEE MY VERY FIRST NIGHT, SOME OF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS, I GAVE MY, MY, I'M FROM NEW JERSEY SPEECH AND I'M FROM NEW JERSEY, BUT I DIDN'T GO BACK THERE.
THERE'S SOME NICE PLACES THERE, BUT IT'S EXPENSIVE, CROWDED, AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM HERE.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO ON THIS COMMITTEE IS HAVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEONE WHO'S SEEN A LOT OF PLACES.
I'M NO ONE SPECIAL, BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND.
I ALSO HAVE A MASTER'S IN ECONOMICS AND MY MAJOR WAS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO I HAVE SOME TYPE OF DISCIPLINED ENVIRONMENT.
UH, LOOKING AT THIS AND MY RECOMMENDATION THROUGHOUT THIS, OUR PROCESS WAS IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
LET'S HAVE SOME APPROPRIATE FORWARD MOTION MODERNIZED IN THE COUNTY.
UH, RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT TO KEEP THE TAX BASE THE WAY YOU WANT IT.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BEDROOM COMMUNITY, BUT PRIMARILY ONE'S A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE, GOOD PLACE TO WORK.
I THINK I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE MEETING, UH, AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY REAL SUBSTANTIAL OBJECTIONS TO THIS.
EVERY MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAD MEMBERS COME IN EVERY TIME WE HAD MEETING AFTER MEETING WHERE WE INVITED PEOPLE COME TO SPEAK AND VERY FEW DID, WHICH TO ME INDICATES THEY'RE HAPPY.
IF THEY'RE UNHAPPY, IT'LL ALL COME.
IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE HAPPY, THEY CAN SHOW UP.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK GOT AN EXCELLENT PLAN.
YOU OUGHT TO PROVE IT THAT THIS MY BRIEFING.
CAN I COME UP NOW? MR. CHAIRMAN CAN COME FORWARD.
I'M FROM HERE, LIFELONG PENINSULA RESIDENT.
UM, MAKE SURE YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS SO WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
1 0 3 FAIRFIELD DRIVE HERE IN YORKTOWN.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE EVERYBODY FOR YOUR REELECTION AND SOME OF YOU THAT ARE NEW STATE DELEGATE.
UH, CONGRATULATIONS EVERYBODY.
MR. ZUMBA, ON YOUR NEXT CHAPTER IN LIFE.
I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE NEIL AND THANK HIM FOR, UH, ALL HIS SUPPORT.
I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS NOT GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M SURE HE IS NOT WATCHING.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, HE MIGHT AT SOME POINT, AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK HIM OVER THE YEARS.
I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR 25 YEARS FOR HIS MENTORSHIP.
UM, THE COUNTY, I THINK, GOT A BREATH OF FRESH AIR WHEN HE TOOK OVER.
AND THAT'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, MR. MCREYNOLDS.
UH, HE WAS A GOOD MAN AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THE COUNTY NEEDED IT.
NEIL, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
UM, AND I'M GLAD YOU DECIDED TO COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION FIELD IN MY COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, YOU MADE A HELL OF A CONTRIBUTION.
AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING, THANK YOU, MY FRIEND.
AND, UH, GOOD LUCK IN YOUR RETIREMENT.
NOW, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE 24, UM, COMP PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, UPDATE.
I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO APPROVE THIS PLAN.
AS TIM HAD MENTIONED, WE SPENT 34 MEETINGS, COUNTLESS HOURS, MR. GREEN, YOU WERE THERE, UH, WHERE THE SAUSAGE WAS BEING MADE.
AND WE MADE A LOT OF SAUSAGE, A LOT OF SAUSAGE.
AND MS. NOLL, MR. ROWAN, YOU, UH, HELPED IN INSISTED AS WELL.
UM, I'M PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE WENT OVER AND ABOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS, HEARD THEIR VOICES, THEIR CONCERNS.
WE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IN FACT, I RECOMMEND WE HAVE GO ANOTHER 'CAUSE.
THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
SO I FEEL CONFIDENT AND WE'LL SLEEP WELL TONIGHT, THAT WE GAVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS.
AND I'M HAPPY WITH THEIR COMMENTS BECAUSE
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THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS PLAN THAT A RESULT OF THE CITIZENS AND NOT JUST THE CO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE.UM, THIS HAS BEEN A COLLECTIVE EFFORT.
UH, YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT THIS IS MY FIFTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
FOUR AS A A, A CITY PLANNING PROFESSIONAL.
ONE TIME AS A COMMISSIONER, I CAN TELL YOU, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME SITTING ON YOUR SIDE THAN IT IS OVER HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE'S HARDER, BUT, UH, LISTENING AND OR, OR PARTICIPATING OR COMING UP TO SPEAK, UH, IT, IT IS CHALLENGING AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THIS.
AND I'VE HAD, UH, SOME GOOD TIMES, UH, DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, EVERYBODY DIDN'T GET, UH, WHAT THEY WANTED.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, SOMETIMES YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED, AND I THINK THE COUNTY GOT WHAT WE NEEDED AND WE PROTECTED ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD.
I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PLAN AND WE MOVE THE COUNTY FORWARD.
UH, RON STRUBLE 2 0 5 SHADY BLUFF POINT.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVATIVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION, UH, I'LL BE BRIEF.
UM, WE DON'T OBJECT TO THIS PLAN AS IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT NOW.
UH, I WANNA FIRST THANK MR. KING, UH, MR. CROSS.
UH, I WAS A VETERAN OF PROBABLY ABOUT 12 TO 15 OF THOSE MEETINGS, UH, WHERE WE GROUND THROUGH A LOT OF ISSUES.
UH, MR. KING ALWAYS ENSURED THAT WE WERE HEARD AND HAD SOME TIME TO SPEAK, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND A LOT OUR, A LOT OF OUR SUGGESTIONS WERE INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN.
UM, SO THANK YOU MR. KING, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, LEADERSHIP IN THAT COMMITTEE AND THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE.
UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THOUGH.
UH, ONE IS, UH, AS MR. KING MENTIONED, AND MR. SHEPHERD, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED LAST TIME, NOT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY WANTED IS IN THIS.
THE ONE BIG THING THAT I THINK IS MISSING HERE IS A PROGRAMMATIC APPROACH TO CONSERVATION IN YORK COUNTY.
WE'VE ALLOWED IT TO BE, BE PIECEMEAL.
UM, SOME PRIVATE ENTITIES PURSUING CONSERVATION.
YOU SAW THE ONE WITH CITY, UH, CITY OF WAYNESBURG HERE, WHICH WE APPLAUD.
UM, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF VISION OF WHERE DO WE WANT TO SET SOME LAND ASIDE.
THERE'S SMALL PARCELS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
THERE'S A COUPLE LARGE PARCELS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE AND WHERE WE WANNA SET ASIDE LAND FOR FUTURE INVESTMENT IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION, DEPENDING ON HOW THESE PARCELS, UH, DEVELOP OUT, UH, IN THE COUNTY.
I THINK THAT IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT LIFT TO JUST HAVE THE BOARD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER ADDING A PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVE IN THE PLAN TO ESTABLISH SOME SORT OF CONSERVATION PROGRAM WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT OVERSEES ANY EFFORTS THAT THE COUNTY'S DOING.
UM, ONE OF THE SUPER, WELL, THE SUPERVISORS SIX OBJECTIVES, ONE OF 'EM IS ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
AND I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE A STEP FORWARD IN LEADERSHIP AND STEWARDSHIP IN PROMOTING SOME ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION IN THE COUNTY LED BY OUR COUNTY LEADERS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER PRIVATE ENTITIES, UH, DOING IT BY THEMSELVES.
THE SECOND PIECE, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UM, IN MY CAREER, I DID TWO TOURS AT OUR HEADQUARTERS.
I WAS A NAVY PROGRAM MANAGER FOR A, UM, UH, PROGRAM THAT WAS WELL BEYOND THE COUNTY'S BUDGET.
AND THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WAS CONSTANTLY, UH, UH, BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, OR I HAD TO PROVIDE TO THE SECRETARY'S OFFICE AT THE PENTAGON WAS PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AND WE HAVE OBJECTIVES IN THIS PLAN, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DO FROM HERE WITH PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TASKING STAFF AT THE COMPLETION OF THIS PLAN TO DEVELOP PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR EACH OBJECTIVE THAT'S IN THAT PLAN.
UH, ONE OF OUR SUPERVISORS COMES FROM THE CORPORATE WORLD.
I COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT WORLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF A PLAN WHERE IT'S, WHICH SHOULD BE PUT FORWARD OR AT LEAST ACCEPTED WITHOUT SOME KIND OF STIPULATION FOR PERFORMANCE MEASURES IN THAT PLAN TO ADDRESS SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF TALK IN THOSE COMP PLAN MEETINGS ABOUT HOW'D WE DO IN THE LAST PLAN.
FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR FILLING OUT THE WRONG FORM.
I, I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO THAT TO STAND AT THIS PODIUM.
I'M, I'M ON THE CLOCK TOO, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT, UM, I STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
I'M MARK CARTER 10 22 MAR BANK DRIVE.
I STAND BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AS CHAIRMAN OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED OUR LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 8TH, SIGNED BY ALL SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE AUTHORITY, UH, EXPRESSING OUR SUPPORT FOR THE APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WHILE WE, UM, WE CERTAINLY RECOMMEND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR ALL THEIR WORK AND, AND CERTAINLY
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THE STAFF AND ALL THE RESEARCH AND WRITING AND EDITING THAT WENT INTO THAT.AND I KNOW IT'S WELL WRITTEN BECAUSE MR. CROSS HAD A HAND IN PROBABLY WRITING EVERY WORD IN THERE OR PARAGRAPH IN THERE.
UM, WE DID FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT ELEMENT, UH, AND THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THAT ELEMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND WHILE THAT WAS IMPORTANT IN OUR DISCUSSION, IT WAS ALSO, WE, WE ALSO FELT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE MISSION OF THE EEDA IN PROMOTING YOUR COUNTY AS A GOOD PLACE TO DO BUSINESS AND FOR EXPANSION AND GROWTH OF EXISTING BUSINESSES, AS WELL AS ATTRACTING NEW BUSINESSES.
THE PLAN DOCUMENTS VERY WELL, THE EXCEPTIONAL SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE, THE EXCEPTIONAL PUBLIC FACILITIES, PICKLEBALL, COURTS, WALKING TRAILS, SIDEWALKS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT MAKE A COMMUNITY IMPORTANT AND PEACEFUL AND, AND, AND ATTRACTIVE FOR ITS RESIDENTS AND POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES OF BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES.
UM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY SYSTEM, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE SYSTEM, ALL THOSE THINGS CONTRIBUTE TO A COMPLETE COMMUNITY.
AND ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES LOOK AT WHE WHEN DECIDING WHETHER TO EXPAND AN EXISTING BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY TO INVEST IN EXPANSION, OR THEY'RE ALSO THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT PROSPECTIVE BUSINESSES, LOOKING AT YOUR COUNTY AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION CONSIDER BECAUSE THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS AN, IS AN, AN ATTRACTIVE AND ACCOMMODATING PLACE FOR POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES AND HAS A GOOD WORKFORCE.
AND WE CERTAINLY DO BECAUSE OF OUR INFLUENCE BY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO TO PROMOTE A GOOD WORKFORCE IN THE COUNTY.
SO WE THINK ALL THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT THE PLAN DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF OUTLINING AND DOCUMENTING ALL OF THOSE FACTORS.
IN SHORT, UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THE PLAN, AND WE, UH, STRONGLY SUPPORT ITS ADOPTION.
AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PLAN, AND THANK YOU.
I CAN'T HELP BUT SAY THIS, I'M SITTING THERE LOOKING AT MARK CARTER, MIKE KING, OR, AND, AND TIM CROSS, AND I JUST, I'M JUST SEEING THE OLD, THE OLD, UH, PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENT HERE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN MEAD, 3 0 1 WATERFOWL DRIVE.
I'M HERE TONIGHT, THOUGH, ON BEHALF OF THE EDA AS WELL.
UH, MARK DID SUCH A GOOD JOB, THOUGH.
UH, THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT AND, AND SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT AS WE WERE FOLLOWING THESE EVENTS AND THE, THE PROGRESSION OF THE COMMITTEE AND, AND WHAT WAS GOING ON, THE BOARD DIDN'T TALK A LOT ABOUT IT UNTIL RECENTLY WHEN IT WAS GETTING READY TO COME BEFORE THE PLAN, UH, COME BEFORE YOU, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL.
THE ONE THING IT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS TO US AS WE TALKED AMONG OURSELVES, IS THERE WAS A CONSENSUS THAT YOU'RE NOT HEARING AS MUCH FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS YOU PROBABLY NEED TO.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE MORE OF AN EFFORT TO REACH OUT.
AND THIS LETTER SIGNED UNANIMOUSLY IS THE FIRST EFFORT FOR US TO TRY AND LET YOU HEAR WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR BUSINESS CONSTITUENTS AS THEY TALK TO US, WHAT WE HEAR AS WE GO TO THESE, UH, PLANNING VARIOUS MEETINGS, AND TALK TO THESE FOLKS.
AND, AND WE'D STILL DO SOME INSIGHT VISITS AS WELL, WHICH WE HEAR THINGS THAT WE WILL COME BACK AND SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, SO I REALLY JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, FOR THE ADA, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY MATTERED TO US, TO MAKE SURE YOU GET TO HEAR THE VOICE OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY MORE, AND THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE PROBABLY NEGLECTED OUR LEADERSHIP ROLE IN THAT RESPECT.
WE'RE GONNA TRY AND TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO 2024.
AS MARK SAID, WE DO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU.
UM, PERSONALLY, I LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLANS.
I LOOKED AT HAMPTONS JUST LAST WEEK.
I'D BE HAPPY TO SEE THIS ADOPTED.
I'M HAPPY LIVING HERE, AND SO I'LL BE LIVING UNDER IT.
UH, BUT COMPARING IT TO THE, SOME OF THE OTHER PLANS WE SEE, THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, AND I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADOPT IT AS WELL.
MY PROPERTY 20 ACRES IS AT 1403 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
I, UH, BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN 1977 AND DEVELOPED PINE MEADOW VETERINARY HOSPITAL.
WE BUILT THAT INTO A SEVEN PERSON HOSPITAL IN A MATTER OF 10 YEARS.
AND I DID 100% HORSES IN THE AREA.
AND WITH KILN CREEK BEING BUILT, WE DEVELOPED A LARGE SMALL ANIMAL.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO CONDENSE 25 YEARS OF TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THREE MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES,
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BECAUSE I'VE HAD THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT CONTRACTS ON THIS PROPERTY.AND THEN THEY HAVE FOLDED BECAUSE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.
BRAD ZER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, BUILT COMMONWEALTH GREEN.
UH, AND HE HAD THE LAST CONTRACT, I HAD IT FOR THREE YEARS UNTIL THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED TO CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH DID, TOOK AWAY THE, UM, MIXED USE OVERLAY.
THIS ALL STARTED WITH ME LEAVING IN PROBABLY 19 90, 92, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MARK CARTER WAS STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME, BUT MARK CARTER AND LAMONT MEYERS, WHO WAS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME, CAME TO MY HOUSE WITH A MAP OF HOW YOU ALL THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO BUILD A HIGHWAY OR A ROAD THROUGH MY PROPERTY.
IT WAS GOING TO DIVIDE THE HOSPITAL FROM WHERE MY MOTHER LIVED.
AND THE LAST THING CYNTHIA AND I WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE TO CROSS A TWO OR FOUR LANE HIGHWAY TO GET TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE DECIDED TO SELL OUT, AND I SOLD TO THREE OF MY ASSOCIATES AT THAT TIME TO FIND OUT ONLY AFTER THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THE COUNTY DECIDED NOT TO BUILD THE HIGHWAY.
WE ARE NOW LIVING IN WAKEFIELD AFTER WE HAD MOVED FROM YORK COUNTY.
AND SO WE HAD TO LOOK FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
THEN CAME COMMONWEALTH GREEN TO THE BOARD WITH A PROPOSAL TO, WITH BRAD WAZER, TO BUILD THESE APARTMENTS RIGHT SQUARE BEHIND MY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THIS LIGHT JUST INTIMIDATES THE DAYLIGHTS OUTTA ME, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I HAVE 25 YEARS OF TRYING TO WORK WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THEN COMMONWEALTH GREEN MADE A PROPOSAL TO BUILD THE HIGHWAY.
IF YOU GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO PUT THE APARTMENTS IN, AND YOU ALL AGREED, OR WHOEVER THE SUPERVISORS WERE AT THAT TIME, THAT AGREEMENT THEN WAS CHANGED A YEAR AGO.
COMMONWEALTH GREEN CAME BEGGING TO GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THE HIGHWAY.
AND SO YOU LET THEM DO THAT, WHICH LEFT MY PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, LANDLOCKED.
NOW I'M ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOBODY CAN GET TO ME.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TO JUST SHUT OFF MY 20 ACRES FROM ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
I, I'M 78 YEARS OLD AND I'M STILL PRACTICING VETERINARY MEDICINE IN WAKEFIELD, VIRGINIA, BECAUSE MY RETIREMENT DIDN'T COME THROUGH FROM YORK COUNTY BEING ABLE TO SELL THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU EXPECT FROM ME FOR OPPORTUNITY, UH, OPPORTUNITY, ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY WHEN THERE'S NO WAY TO SOMEBODY TO GET TO ME COMMONWEALTH GREENS RIGHT UP BEHIND ME.
THAT'S WHY BRAGG COULD COME RIGHT ON THROUGH AND BUILD THESE APARTMENTS OR THE TOWNHOUSES, WHATEVER HE HAD ARRANGED TO DO.
AND NOW I HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY AT ALL.
I DON'T THINK THAT I COULD BUILD A, UH, HARDEE'S OR A COFFEE HOUSE BECAUSE NOBODY CAN GET TO IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU TO LEAVE MY PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 20 MILES UP NORTH IN YORKTOWN TO TRY TO STOP DEVELOPMENT THERE.
MY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS THE LAST PIECE.
I GOT THREE QUARTERS AN ACRE IN NEWPORT NEWS.
THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL AROUND US.
COXTON, UH, AUTO PARTS IS IN FRONT OF US.
THERE'S PROPERTY AROUND US, BUT IS NO RESIDENTIAL.
AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET TO IT.
THE HOSPITAL HAS A RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH BRAD BRAIN THAT THAT CAN BE USED FOR THE HOSPITAL, BUT IT DOESN'T DO ME ANY GOOD AS FAR AS INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT OR THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
THEY CAN'T, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THAT LANE THROUGH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
CUP, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT DONE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I JUST WANT YOU TO LEAVE MIXED USE.
THE ONLY PERSON AT THIS POINT OR SOMEONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT CAN COME IN FROM THE BACKSIDE, COMMONWEALTH GREEN AND THAT AREA THROUGH
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THERE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED.APPRECIATE THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO.
GIVE ME, GIMME AN OPPORTUNITY.
WELCOME EVENING CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M WITH KIMLEY HORNE AND ASSOCIATES BUSINESS ADDRESS, 45 25 MAIN STREET, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA.
I'M REPRESENTING THE ABEL ARCHER COMPANY REGARDING THE 29 ACRES THEY OWN ON HIGHWAY 17, BETWEEN DARE ROAD AND, UH, WOLF TRAP ROAD COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.
PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS KNOWN AS GRAFTON SHOPPING CENTER.
REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED.
CURRENTLY, UH, CURRENTLY THE PARCEL, PARCEL IS MOSTLY GENERAL BUSINESS WITH SOME R 20 ZONING AT THE BACK WHERE IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, AND IT HAS A MIXED USE OVERLAY.
MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COMP PLAN IS THAT THE MIXED USE OVERLAY WILL BE REMOVED AS IT WILL BE EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST THIS PARTICULAR SITE, WHICH WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MR. CROSS, YOU CAN STILL DO A MIXED USE.
IT'S JUST THEY'RE NOT DESIGNATING EXACTLY WHERE IT WOULD GO.
UH, WE'RE STILL, SO WE'RE STILL OPEN TO THAT TYPE OF USE, BUT THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME REDUCTION IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING PROPOSED WITH AND ELIMINATING THE R 20 AT THE BACK TO LIMITED BUSINESS.
SO YOU'VE GOT GENERAL BUSINESS UP FRONT ON 17, LIMITED BUSINESS BEHIND IT, AND THEN MEDIUM DENSITY R 20 EXISTING IN THERE.
WHAT I'M HERE TO MAKE A STATEMENT FORMALLY TONIGHT IS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER USE THAN LIMITED BUSINESS ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, PERHAPS MULTIFAMILY, SIMILAR TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS WILLOW LAKES.
IT'S ABOUT 5.6 UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY TO THE SOUTH GRAFTON STATION APARTMENTS IN YORK, RASING TOWNHOUSES, WHICH IS ABOUT 10 ACRES PER UNIT, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS CALLING FOR.
THESE ARE ALSO TRANSITIONAL AREAS FROM THE COMMERCIAL ON 17 TO THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE BACK.
UH, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A TRANSITION, THERE'S NO DOUBT.
BUT WE BELIEVE THE BETTER TRANSITION WOULD BE MULTI-FAMILY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND THE SHOPPING CENTER IS REDEVELOPING.
YOU'RE SEEING SOME OUT PARCELS GO UP OUT THERE.
THE EXISTING BOXES WILL BE REDEVELOPED ALSO.
AND ULTIMATELY THE PLAN IS TO DEVELOP ALL 29 ACRES THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD WITH THIS.
OTHERWISE, I THINK THE COMP PLAN IS GREAT, BUT THAT'S JUST OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ANYBODY, THAT'S THE LAST ONE I HAD SIGNED UP.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SEEING NONE A CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, AND, UH, OPEN THE UP FOR DISCUSSION.
I NEED, UH, KIM, CAN YOU COME OR SOMEBODY COME BACK UP TO I'M GONNA, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS MIXED USE THING.
SO, UH, THE MIXED USE, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
AND, UM, AND, AND MY EXPERIENCE, I SEE MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WATCHING MIXED USE IN THIS COUNTY HAS BEEN BASICALLY A FAILURE.
I MEAN, THE CONCEPT, I UNDERSTOOD, WE UNDERSTOOD THE CONCEPT WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WE, WE APPROVED IT, UM, PUT A LITTLE BUSINESS INTO BUILD AND HAVE BASICALLY PEOPLE LIVE ABOVE BUSINESS, THEY COULD, RIGHT? AND THEN EVERY TIME WE'VE GOT THAT HAPPENED, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP FROM THE, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPER GOING, WE, IT'S KILLING US.
WE CAN'T SELL, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PUT THE BUILDINGS IN EXCEPT FOR WE GOT LIKE, I THINK ONE, UH, NOT, NOT FAR DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE.
UH, BUT THE OTHERS HAVE NOT PANNED OUT LIKE WE EXPECTED.
AND I THINK IT'S A NEW WORLD ORDER, RIGHT? YES.
I WOULD THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NELSON'S GRANT, THE MIXED USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, CONCEPT HAS NOT, UH, SO FAR TURNED OUT AS WE HAD HOPED.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, BUT, AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING RIGHT HERE, UH, THE WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE ZONING, THEY'LL MAYBE COME AFTERWARDS.
UM, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING MIXED USE, CORRECT.
AND A AND A PERSON COMES IN WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR A BUSINESS AND THEY WANT TO TRY FOR MIXED USE, THEN IT JUST BECOMES AN APPLICATION FOR MIXED USE.
UH, YOU CAN APPLY FOR P-P-D-M-U ZONING ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
ALL THE PLAN DOES IS TAKE, IS IT NO LONGER DESIGNATES THESE SIX SPECIFIC AREAS AS BEING SPECIFICALLY, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE ZONING.
AND, AND AS MR. KING SAID, UM, NOT EVERYBODY GOT WHAT THEY WANT.
BUT ONE THING THAT, THAT CAME OUT IN OUR LAND USE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THERE WAS
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STRONG CONCERN ABOUT THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, AND THERE WERE STRONG CONCERN ON THE PART OF SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS WELL.UH, WE'VE HAD SOME CASES WHERE THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION HAS BEEN USED TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY'RE BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL REZONINGS.
SO ALL OF THAT FED INTO THE DECISION TO JUST RECOMMEND ELIMINATING THE OVERLAY.
SO ELIMINATING IT TAKES CARE OF THAT PROBLEM.
BUT IT, BUT IT STILL PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LANDOWNER TO, UH, STILL SELL THE PROPERTY AS A MIXED USE CONCEPT.
IF THEY WANT TO, THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD STILL BE THERE UNDER THE PROPOSED COMPLIMENT.
SO, SO, ADDRESSING MR. CUP'S OR DR.
CUP'S ISSUE, HE STILL CAN SELL IT AS MIXED USE THAT WE, IT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT A DESIGNATED MIXED USE AREA.
BUT HE CAN STILL SELL A PROPERTY OR, OR, OR MARKET THE PROPERTY AS MIXED USE? YES, HE COULD IF HE WANTS TO.
UM, I TAKE, GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
'CAUSE I KNEW THAT WAS THE, OKAY.
I KNEW THAT WAS GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO MORE, NO MORE QUESTIONS? THAT, OKAY.
UM, SO LET'S GET A RESOLUTION HERE.
YOU WANNA, WHO'S GONNA MOVE IT? I'LL, I'LL MOVE IT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE I MOVE IT, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO CHAIRMAN KING AND JEAN.
UH, INVALUABLE INPUT, UH, JUST SUPER.
UH, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER PERSON TO, UH, LEAD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW.
UH, WE CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT WE WENT THROUGH EVERY PAGE, READ EVERY WORD, UH, EVERY PUNCTUATION, AND, UH, MADE THE APPROPRIATE, UH, CHANGES.
AND MOST OF THE TIME LEFT IT, UH, LIKE IT WAS.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE RESOLUTION 23 DASH ONE, FOUR OR FIVE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, I WILL, I WANT TO, I I DO WANT TO, UM, THANK THE CITIZENS.
REALLY THANK THE CITIZENS THAT SPENT TWO TO FOUR YEARS WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR, WELL, SOME OF 'EM ARE TWO, SOME OF 'EM BEFORE PEOPLE COME AND GO.
BUT IT WAS, UH, IT'S A MONUMENTAL EFFORT.
IT'S, UH, NOT ONLY REQUIRED BY STATE CODE, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT REALLY HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR COUNTY LOOKS GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM THIS.
WE WILL TAKE, TAKE THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN PROBABLY, AND USUALLY WE WILL THEN MODIFY THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO, UH, KIND OF COMPLY AND, UM, ANYWAY, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.
AND, UM, MIKE, UH, YOU DID A GREAT JOB OF THE LEADERSHIP IN THAT AND, AND, UM, GETTING, SO EVERYBODY WAS HEARD, AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE, YOU COULD BE HEARD, YOU MAY NOT, THE IDEA MAY NOT COME ACROSS, BUT AT LEAST YOU WERE HEARD, AND I GUARANTEE EVERYBODY GOT HAD A CHANCE TO INFLUENCE THIS.
AND WITH THAT, YOUR MOTION'S BEEN MADE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION, R 23 DASH 1 45 TO ADOPT AN UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR YORK COUNTY.
SO WE NOW HAVE A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE GOT ONE OF THE, UH, NEED TO SEE.
NUMBER FIVE IS THE PURCHASE OF A, OF A VAC, VAC, VAC TRUCK FOR PUBLIC, UH, WORKS.
THE NEXT IS THE, UH, BACK CREEK PARK TENNIS COURT REPAIR AS NUMBER SIX.
NUMBER SEVEN IS MATERIAL TESTING, INSPECTION, AND RELATED ENGINEERING SUPPORT SERVICES.
THE HICKORY HILL PUMP STATION.
REHABILITATION NINE IS THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICE SCHOOL SECURITY GRANT FUND NUMBER 10 IS EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, UH, BILLING AND COLLECTION SERVICES.
AND NUMBER 11 IS EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
DOES ANYONE CARE TO PULL ANY ONE OF THESE? I, I LIKE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER SEVEN.
WHAT? THAT'S THE TESTING? YEAH, TESTING, UH, MATERIAL TESTING INSPECTIONS.
WHAT MATERIALS TESTING DO WE SEND OUT? WHAT, WHAT? GIMME SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT.
WHAT DO WE, UH, WE DO SOIL BORINGS.
UH, IF WE HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRIVATE ROAD INSPECTIONS, OCCASIONALLY THOSE GET, UH, DONE AS WELL.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE LIKE CONCRETE, UM, STRUCTURES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIKE, LIKE THE PARKING GARAGE OR THINGS LIKE THAT ARE THEY GET INVOLVED IN? RIGHT.
LIKE THESE, UM, YOU'VE SEEN RECENTLY WHERE WE'VE DONE TWO FUEL SITES, THE TANKS HAVE BEEN REPLACED AND THEY'VE LAID NEW CONCRETE OVER THE TOP OF IT.
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THEY COME IN AND TAKE BORINGS OF THE CONCRETE, MAKE SURE IT'S CURED, AND WE'LL SUPPORT THE WEIGHT THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO.JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT.
NO ONE, UH, SOMEBODY WANNA MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE THE SUBMISSIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER? DISCUSSION? NONE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE'LL GO INTO NEW BUSINESS.
TOM, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? YES, WE CAN.
I'M NOT ADJOURNED, BUT IN RECESS WAS COLD.
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OKAY.[12* Application No. UP-1026-23, Bowditch Development Partners.]
GONNA LOOK AT, UH, ITEM 12 IN THE AGENDA.THIS IS AN APPLICATION, UH, THE ABOUT ITS DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS HAVE.
AND, UH, MR. CROSS, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US AN EXPLANATION OF EVERYTHING YOU'RE ON? YES, SIR.
SO THIS APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY FOR EXPANSION OF A CONFORMING SPECIAL USE.
WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT THE KINGSGATE GREEN SHOPPING CENTER, UH, UP ON WALLER MILL ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH MOTOWN ROAD.
UH, USED TO BE THE BIG KMART, UH, ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, UH, UH, SINCE THEN, UH, OLLIE'S LOCK SUPPLY COMPANY AND ASHLEY HOME FURNISHINGS HAVE FILLED THAT SPACE.
UH, IT'S KIND OF ON THE REBOUND.
UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, OWNER HAS SUBMITTED A PLAN, CAME TO US WITH A PLAN TO, UH, ADD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS OUT THERE.
UM, ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF SPACE.
THE SHOPPING CENTER IS OVER 80,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, GROSS FLOOR AREA.
I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE.
UH, BUT, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS, WHAT WE CALL OUR BIG BOX, UH, ORDINANCE, WHICH, UH, SAYS THAT, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR ANY SHOPPING CENTER OR RETAIL USE WITH 80,000 OR MORE SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
UH, SO EVEN THOUGH THIS SHOPPING CENTER DID NOT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WHEN IT WAS BUILT WAY BACK IN 1980, UH, ANY EXPANSION OF IT FALLS UNDER, UH, THAT REQUIREMENT THAT APPLIES TO ALL EXPANSIONS OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
AND THE RULE IS THAT, UH, AN INCREASE UNDER 5% CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, AN INCREASE OVER 25% HAS TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
BUT, UH, ANYTHING BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 25% CAN BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING AND WITHOUT PRIOR PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW.
THIS IS THE, UH, UH, THE SITE, UH, AT THE CORNER OF MOTOWN ROAD.
AND WALLER MILL ROAD IS ABOUT 17 ACRES.
THE TWO STARS INDICATE WHERE THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS WOULD GO.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER UNDEVELOPED LARGE GREEN AREA, UH, HERE ALONG WALLER MILL ROAD.
AND SO, UH, THE PLAN IS TO BUILD A 10,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING HERE AND ANOTHER 10,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UH, OVER HERE, ROUGHLY IN THE AREA WHERE THAT UNDEVELOPED OUT PARCEL IS A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
UH, THERE'S, UH, THE, THE OLLIE'S, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED OUT PARCEL ON MOTOWN ROAD.
AND THEN THIS IS THAT LARGE, UH, UNDEVELOPED AREA NEXT TO THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THE OTHER BUILDING WOULD GO.
O UH, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT A 15.3% EXPANSION.
SO, UH, IT FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF, UH, MINOR, UH, UH, AMENDMENT.
UH, IT'S, UH, UH, IT'S APPLICANT.
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UH, THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, WHICH, UH, DESIGNATES THIS ERROR.GENERAL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEARBY PROPERTIES.
UH, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.
NOW, IN YOUR PACKAGE, FOR SOME REASON, I FORGOT TO MAKE A SLIDE OF 'EM, BUT IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAVE SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS THAT SHOW, UH, VERY ATTRACTIVE, UH, BUILDING FACADES ON THESE BUILDINGS.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN AESTHETIC COMPLIMENT TO MOTOWN ROAD, WALLER MILL ROAD CORRIDOR.
UH, SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECTS TO THE CONDITIONS IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 53.
UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BUT IF YOU, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, OR I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF? WELL, UH, TIM, EARLIER TODAY, I THINK IT WAS TODAY, I GOT A CALL FROM THE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.
AND MY CONCERN WAS THE INTERSECTION OF MOTOWN ROAD AND WALL MILLER ROAD.
AND IT'S BOTH, BOTH THOSE ROADS, ESPECIALLY MOTOWN ROAD, ARE VERY HEAVILY TRAPPED.
SO MY CONCERN WAS, IN MY CONVERSATION TO WHOEVER I TALKED TO WAS WHAT'S THE CHIEF'S, THE FIRE CHIEF'S POSITION ON THAT? UH, THEY ASSURED ME THAT THEY TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF WOULD GET BACK TO ME.
I'VE NOT HEARD A THING YET FROM, UH, CHIEF KINSKI.
SO, CAN WE ASK CHIEF, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THIS, THE INITIATIVE? SO THE, WE, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REQUEST TONIGHT.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THE DETERMINATION OF TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING ON, ON THE STATE ROADWAYS.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, UNDER VDO T'S PURVIEW PRIMARILY, I WOULD ASSUME.
UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE, THE SITE ITSELF, AND OF COURSE TALKING TO MR. BOW AND, AND OTHERS WITH THE, UH, THE COMPANY.
UH, OF COURSE THE, THE MOVEMENT AROUND THE BUILDINGS AND THAT SORT OF THING WOULD HAVE TO FALL UNDER THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE FOR FIRE LANES AND ACCESS TO THE FACILITIES.
BUT ACTUALLY THE, THE MOVEMENT ON THE HIGHWAY AND SO FORTH SO ON, WOULD REALLY COME UNDER, I, I SUSPECT V DOT'S PURVIEW.
THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION WAS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT IT, HOW MANY VEHICLES A DAY PASSED THROUGH THE, THE INTERSECTION, THESE, THESE TWO ROADS? MY CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, OUR VERY SOPHISTICATED LUMBERING FIRE TRUCKS IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY.
AND WHAT DOES THAT INTERSECTION, THE MORE TOWN ROAD WATER MILL ROAD PRESENT IN TERMS OF A HAZARD, A PROBLEM, A BARRIER? I, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY IMPEDIMENTS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED THUS FAR, UH, AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
UH, OF COURSE, WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THAT WE HAVE WHAT'S KNOWN AS, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT PREEMPTION CAPABILITY, WHICH ALLOWS US TO CONTROL THE LIGHTS, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS WE APPROACH THEM DURING AN EMERGENCY CALL.
SO WE CAN, UH, BASICALLY TURN THE LIGHTS TO A GREEN, UH, CONDITION SO THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN MOVE THROUGH, IT MOVES THE OTHER TRAFFIC THROUGH, AND THEN OUR VEHICLES CAN MOVE THROUGH AS WELL.
AND I SUSPECT IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO THOSE SIGNALS THERE, THEY WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE TRAFFIC PREEMPTION CAPABILITIES.
IT'S NOT JUST THOSE TWO ROADS, MOTOWN ROAD AND, AND, UH, WALLER MILL, BUT OF COURSE, 50 YARDS AWAY IS BYPASS.
THIS THINGS MAKE SO MUCH NOISE AND HAVE SO MANY LIGHTS ON IT.
IT JUST RUN PEOPLE OFF THE ROAD.
WE'LL RUN OVER
SO WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING HERE, SO THERE'S NO QUESTIONS ON IT.
IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD GET THE APPLICANT.
LET'S GET THE APPLICANT UP HERE.
WELL, MR. CROSS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF BOWER DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.
UH, WE PARTNERED UP WITH, UH, SHOPPING CENTER OWNERSHIP ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, UH, TO EVOLVE THE, THE CENTER FROM WHAT IT WAS, AND IT'S, UH, MORE QUIET DAYS TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.
UH, AS YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR, THE CENTER WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY MANAGED AND OCCUPIED BY KMART.
UH, THAT KMART, UH, MOVED OUT AND LEFT THE CENTER RELATIVELY, UH, INHABITED.
UH, WHEN WE ACQUIRED, UH, A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNERSHIP, IT WAS, I THINK, ROUGHLY 40% OCCUPIED.
UH, WE ARE NOW MAYBE 85%, UM, AND WE HAVE, WHICH HAS BECOME PUBLIC, UH, DOLLAR TREE MOVING INTO THE END CAP.
SO AS OF JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE ROUGHLY 92
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TO 94%, UH, OCCUPIED THE CENTER.UM, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND OWNERSHIP, UH, BOTH OUT OF ALABAMA AND NEW YORK, UH, HAVE ASKED US TO DEVELOP, UH, THESE TWO PARCELS DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UM, AND THEY'RE MANY ACTIVE TENANTS THAT ARE WORKING WITH THE BROKERAGE FIRM OF RECORD, UH, TO POTENTIALLY MOVE IN IF, IF SAID, IS APPROVED AND DEVELOPED.
SO, UM, HERE FOR ANY KIND OF QUESTIONS, UM, UH, THAT MIGHT COME UP, QUESTIONS.
MR. BDI, LAST TIME YOU WERE IN FRONT OF US, UH, YOU WERE, UH, AT THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER, I BELIEVE, WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, EMPLOYER OR, AND YOU WERE WORKING FOR A, IT WAS A, LIKE A HOME IMPROVEMENT TYPE, HVAC PLUMBING.
UH, TYPE IF YOU, AND YOU COMPLETED THAT PROJECT AND NOW YOU'RE BACK HERE AND YOU WERE WITH THIS OTHER PROJECT WITH A NEW COMPANY, OR TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
SO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, UH, CLIENT RELATIONSHIP, UH, THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR GREEN IS REFERENCING IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH LOCK SUPPLY.
UH, LOCK SUPPLY IS COMPARABLE TO LIKE A FERGUSON ENTERPRISE OR A MORRISON SUPPLY.
THEY SUPPLY PLUMBING, MECHANICAL, AND ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS TO THE SUBCONTRACTOR MARKET.
UM, THEY'RE BASED ON THE WEST COAST AND FOUND, UH, THE 35 SQUARE FOOT SPACE AT THE OTHER END CAP OF THE CENTER ATTRACTIVE.
UM, A PORTION OF THAT SPACE WAS THE FORMER KMART.
WE CAME BEFORE YOU, UM, AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT IN A SECOND.
ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF REPOSITIONING THAT SPACE'S FRONT ENTRANCE, UM, THAT SPACE WENT INTO THE KMARTS, UH, SORT OF FORMER GARDEN CENTER.
SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO A FRONT FACING ENTRANCE.
THEY HAD TO DO A SIDE FACING ENTRANCE.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL TO THIS POINT.
UH, WE, WE, MY NEW COMPANY, UH, MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND HAVE, SORT, HAVE SUPPORTED THEM IN OTHER REALMS. UM, TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UH, MY REPRESENTATION THEN VERSUS TODAY, UH, AT THAT TIME I WAS, UM, GENERAL MANAGER OF A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS BASED IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
UM, AND NOW I AM, UH, PRESIDENT AND OWNER OF A CONSTRUCTION BASE BASED ON THE PENINSULA, AND HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO MAINTAIN THEIR CLIENT RELATIONSHIP OF THIS CENTER.
SO, I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
CONGRATULATIONS ON GOING OUT ON YOUR OWN.
YEAH, IT'S A BIG, BIG DARING STEP, SO VERY GOOD.
AND, AND IT'S VERY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO JUST TOUCH UPON THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC EQUATION.
SO IF, BASED UPON THE, WHAT WAS IN THE MEMORANDUM, UM, IF I DID MY MATH CORRECTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 8% TRAFFIC WEEKDAY TRAFFIC WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE BUILDINGS.
BUT THE NARRATIVE DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO, AND THIS MAY BE MAYBE FOR TIM, UM, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE ROWS CAN HANDLE EIGHT, 8% WITHOUT ANY CHANGES TO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL 8% IS A, IS A KNIT, OR WE GOT A, YOU DID A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, MR. ROWAN, UH, MOTOWN ROAD, THAT SECTION OF MOTOWN ROAD IS FOUR LANES.
IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY OUT THERE.
AND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS, UH, THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS EXPANSION IS NOT EVEN HIGH ENOUGH TO WARRANT, UH, OR REQUIRING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, IT'S MOVED.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NO IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 53 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.
SO YOUR APPLICATION'S APPROVED AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR EXPANSION THERE.
[13* Purchase Resolution: Vehicles up to $75,000 through Virginia Sheriff’s Association. ]
ITEM THIRTEENS, THE PURCHASE.SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BUY A VEHICLE UP TO $75,000 FROM THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION, OR THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, THROUGH THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION.
SO, UM, MR. BELLAMY, MR. SHEPHERD, FOR SOME CLARIFICATION THERE.
THIS WOULD, UH, WHAT THIS ACTION WOULD DO WOULD ALLOW, UH, STAFF TO PURCHASE, UH, A NUMBER OF VEHICLES, NOT JUST A SINGLE VEHICLE, BUT A NUMBER OF VEHICLES OFF OF THIS CONTRACT.
NORMALLY, THE REQUIREMENT IN THE PAST HAS BEEN $50,000 THAT WOULD'VE
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TO COME TO THE BOARD.BUT, UH, WITH INFLATION, UH, VEHICLES HAVE GOTTEN VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS A CONSTANT REQUEST.
AND, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN PART OF YOUR, UH, NORMAL OPERATION AS A BOARD.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS TO ADOPT THIS CONTRACT THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO SPEND UP TO THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
IS THIS ONE, IS THIS JUST A ONE TIME THING WITH THIS CONTRACT? IT'LL HAVE A TERM ON IT, LIKE OTHER CONTRACTS.
I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, FOUR ONE YEAR TERMS. ONE YEAR WITH RENEWALS ON IT.
SO IS IT JUST TO BUY WHAT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST, WE'VE SET THE $50,000 LIMIT AND IT JUST GOES ON.
SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'LL BE LIKE, IT'LL BE HANDLED LIKE THE 50,000, BUT IT'S 75,000.
QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE AN OBSERVATION.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT RAISING THE LIMIT TO MINIMIZE THE, THE NUMBER OF REQUESTS THAT COME TO THE BOARD, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE FLEET MANAGER FLEXIBILITY TO ACT ON OPPORTUNITIES AND DEALS AS THEY COME UP AND NOT LOSE THOSE DEALS.
'CAUSE THEY HAD TO COME TO THE BOARD AND THEN WE LOSE POTENTIAL SAVINGS BECAUSE WE WERE SLOW TO ACT.
DO WE HAVE, SO DOES THAT HAPPEN THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS? WELL, RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, MM-HMM.
AND IT, THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO FIND, IT'S TO OUR BEST INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO ACT ON IT.
BUT IT FALLS WITHIN OUR WINDOW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS GOT LIFECYCLE, UH, PREDICTIONS.
SO THIS OPPORTUNITY, JUST THAT, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
IF THERE'S A VEHICLE, LET'S GO BUY IT.
IT'S, IT'S GOTTA FALL WITHIN THE REPLACEMENT.
BECAUSE IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
YEAH, SHE YOU WANNA MOVE THIS? DOES SOMEBODY WANNA MOVE IT? I'LL MOVE FURTHER.
NUMBER 13, RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 42.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO YOU NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ZAREMBA IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 42 TO AUTHORIZE PURCHASES FOR SINGLE VEHICLES UP TO $75,000 THROUGH THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION'S COOPERATIVE CONTRACT.
[14* Assura Cybersecurity Service.]
GO TO ITEM FOURTEENS, ASSURE CYBER SECURITY SERVICES.AND THAT DEALS WITH RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 56.
SO TIM WYATT, COME TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
WE'VE USED THIS COMPANY ASSURE FOR FOUR YEARS.
WE'VE HAD THIS SPECIFIC SERVICE WITH THEM FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, AT THIS POINT IT'S UP FOR RENEWAL.
THE UNDERLYING CONTRACT ONLY ALLOWS US TO RENEW IT FOR ONE YEAR AT THIS POINT.
THEY DO SEVERAL SERVICES FOR US.
OUR INTERNAL STAFF IS VERY WELL VERSED IN EDUCATED IN CYBERSECURITY.
HOWEVER, IT'S MOSTLY IN-HOUSE TAUGHT OR THROUGH TRAINING.
WHAT THIS COMPANY ALLOWS FOR THE COUNTY IS AN OUTSIDE VENDOR THAT FOCUSES PURELY ON SECURITY.
THEY HAVE SEVERAL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT THEY SUPPORT PRIVATE SECTOR.
IF THEY SEE AN INCIDENT AND ONE OF THEIR CLIENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO CHECK ALL OF THEIR CLIENTS FOR IT IN REAL TIME.
THEY, WE TAKE UP ALL OF OUR SECURITY LOGS, ALL OF OUR NOTICES, AND WE SEND THEM OUT TO THAT COMPANY AND THEY REVIEW IT WITH REAL PEOPLE AS WELL AS DIFFERENT AUTOMATION TOOLS TO SEE ARE THERE ANY MISCONFIGURATIONS, ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
IT ALSO GIVES US, UH, WHAT IS CALLED A SOC, A SECURITY OPERATIONS CENTER.
AND THEY MONITOR THESE LOGS 24 7 365.
SO FOR THE COUNTY TO BEEF UP OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO COVER THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN ANY OF THIS.
UM, OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, THERE'VE BEEN A FEW TIMES WHERE THANKFULLY THEY'VE BEEN FALSE POSITIVES, BUT THEY'VE SEEN QUESTIONABLE ACTIVITY THROUGH THOSE LOGS.
CONTACTED US AND WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, A HACKER DID NOT GET IN.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING MALICIOUS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD, UH, UH, BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP.
UH, A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES USE THEM.
UH, HAMPTON ROADS PLAYING DISTRICT COMMISSION.
MOST OF THE CYBERSECURITY SUBCOMMITTEE ACTIVITIES FOR, UH, HAMPTON ROADS.
WE USE THIS COMPANY THROUGH THEM AS WELL.
AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
SO SOUNDS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE NOT DOING PENETRATION TESTS AND THEY'RE NOT MANAGING OUR FIREWALLS.
SOUND LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, IN INTRUSION ON, ON UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS, REAL, REAL TIME AS WELL AS OUR FIREWALL RULES
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AND, AND WHAT, WHAT ARE, SO HELP ME OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR US.SO THE PENETRATION TESTS WE DO THROUGH SEPARATE COMPANIES.
AGAIN, WE WANT MULTIPLE EYES ON THERE.
WE DON'T WANT ONE COMPANY WITH ONE COMPANY'S BLIND SPOTS OR ONE ORGANIZATION.
SO PENETRATION TESTS WE DO THROUGH OTHER THINGS.
THERE ARE SOFT SCANS THAT THEY DO FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT YOU WOULD GET THROUGH COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE TOOLS.
THEY ALSO HAVE A DEVICE THAT DOES INTERNAL VULNERABILITY SCANNING.
SO IT CHECKS ALL OF OUR SERVERS, A LOT OF OUR HIGH RISK PCS, VOTER REGISTRAR, PCS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND COLLECTS UP LOGS FROM THOSE DEVICES.
AND IT CHECKS TO SEE, FOR INSTANCE, IF MICROSOFT OFFICE WASN'T PATCHED, IF WE HAD AN ADOBE PRODUCT THAT WAS ON THERE AND VULNERABLE AND HAD TO EXPLOIT, A HACKER COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IF THEY COULD GET INSIDE OF OUR NETWORK.
IT ALERTS THEM AND ALERTS US AS WELL.
WE MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE LOGS.
UM, THEY DON'T LOOK INTO OUR CONFIGURATION.
THEY HAVE NO, HOW ME AND MY STAFF HAVE SET THIS UP IS KIND OF BEST PRACTICES.
THEY SEE THE LOGS AND THEY ALERT US.
THEY HAVE NO ACCESS INTO OUR NETWORK.
THEY HAVE NO ACCESS AND CREDENTIALS INTO OUR SYSTEM.
THAT WAY, IF THEY WERE HACKED, THEY CAN'T COME IN AND CREATE ANOTHER VULNERABILITY FOR THE NETWORK.
DOES THAT ANSWER ALRIGHT, SO THEY'RE NOT DOING REALTIME MONITORING OF OUR, OF FOR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS.
THEY'RE JUST LOOKING OH, THEY DO REAL-TIME MONITORING OF THE LOGS.
SO THE FIREWALL, IF WE WERE TO BE ATTACKED THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED DENIAL OF SERVICE WHERE, UH, OUTSIDE SERVERS TRYING TO BREAK IN AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BEATING ON OUR FRONT DOOR, OUR FIREWALL, THEY WOULD SEE THOSE LOGS.
THEY WOULD BE SENT UP THERE AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING CONCERNING OR THEY SAW SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY WOULD REACH OUT TO US.
I'VE GOTTEN OVER THE THREE YEARS, PROBABLY THREE PHONE CALLS.
LUCKILY ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN FALSE POSITIVES, BUT HOW OFTEN DO WE SEND 'EM OUR LOGS? UH, IT'S CONTINUOUS AND THEN THEY STORE THE LOGS FOR ONE YEAR, WHICH IS REQUIRED.
WE'RE STREAMING OUR LOG DATA UP, UP TO 'EM.
CONTINUALLY, THE CONTRACT IS GONNA BE RENEWED FOR A YEAR.
IS THERE AN OPTION FOR LONGER TERM RENEWAL WITH LESS, YOU KNOW, LESS COST PER YEAR? WHAT? GREAT QUESTION.
UM, THE UNDERLYING CONTRACT THAT WE'RE USING, UNFORTUNATELY EXPIRES LATER THIS YEAR.
OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS DECIDE THROUGHOUT THAT CONTRACT NOT TO DO IT NEXT YEAR WHEN I BRING THIS BACK FORWARD.
PRESUMABLY THE UNDERLYING CONTRACT THAT WE'D BE WRITING OFF OF THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WOULD BE THREE YEARS OR LONGER.
AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, THREE YEARS OR JUST, OR WITH RENEWALS? WITH RENEWALS OPTIONS, OPTION FOR RENEWALS MOST LIKELY.
JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, TOM, IF I CAN.
YOU MAY HAVE ADDRESSED IT AND I WASN'T PAID ATTENTION, BUT, OH, THAT'S, IS THIS A COMPETITIVE CONTRACT OR JUST A CONTRACT WITH THIS ONE ENTITY? NO COMPETITION AS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AS FAR AS I'M AWARE IT'S THEY, THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE UTILIZING, THEY BID IT OUT.
THEY LOOKED AT MULTIPLE VENDORS AND THEY AWARDED IT TO ASSURE IN THIS CASE.
AND SO WE WRITE OFF OF THAT CONTRACT.
I'M NOT SURE WHO THE COMPANY IS.
I MAY BUTCHER IT JUST, BUT IT WAS THROUGH THE COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITIES.
IT WAS THROUGH THE CO CO, UH, COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
IT WAS AJMU CONTRACT THAT THEY BID OUT COMPETITIVELY, BID OUT.
AND GOT THE BEST QUALITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RIDING OFF OF.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE MOVE A MOTION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RON IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 56 TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF CYBERSECURITY SERVICES.
OKAY, SO LET'S BACK IT UP A BIT HERE.
LET'S GO BACK TO, UH, CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE AGENDA AND LET'S HAVE, UH, COUNTY
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ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS.IS THERE ANY, ANY REQUEST OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? I HAVE ONE.
UM, SO OVER THE WEEKS AND MAYBE MONTHS WE'VE HAD, UM, INPUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND, UH, TALK ABOUT THE PRINCE CRUISE LINE AND, AND WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEARLY BEEN CLEARLY STATED TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THESE, THEY, THEY COME UP WITH VARIATIONS OF WHAT THEY'RE HEARING CONCERNING LIMITATIONS ON THE BOARD THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS TALKING ABOUT.
ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS PROHIBITING PEOPLE DOCKING AT OUR, USING OUR DOCKS NOW.
UM, AND ANOTHER ONE, I'M GONNA COME
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TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HERE.I MEAN, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON IS THIS PEER EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THE INITIAL, MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND THAT LETTER THAT SHEILA AND I SIGNED, UM, WAS DEALT WITH THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT WAS TO HAVE A PEER OVER ON THAT SIDE.
AND THEY WERE GONNA BUILD SOME PEER AND THEN GIVE IT TO THE COUNTY.
NOW, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, AND WE'D EITHER GET THIS OUT THERE, IS THE LIMITATIONS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO PROHIBIT PEOPLE, BOATS, SHIPS, WHATEVER, USING OUR PIER.
CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT THERE? WELL, FROM A LEGAL STAND, I'M LOSING MY HEARING AIDS.
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD DEFER TO, UH, THE, UH, WATERFRONT OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE A POLICY, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THE MIC? WE HAVE A POLICY.
WE HAVE A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES THE USE OF OUR PEER AND THAT POLICY CAN BE CHANGED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, I AM NOT IN A POSITION TODAY TO GO INTO A COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT LIMITATIONS WE DO HAVE AND DON'T HAVE REGARDING REGULATIONS OVER MARITIME COMMERCE.
HOWEVER, I CAN SAY THAT THE BIG ISSUE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS ALWAYS THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLES AGAINST CERTAIN TYPES OF COMMERCE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF, IF WE WERE, IT'S MY OPINION THAT IF WE WERE TO SAY PRINCESS CRUISE LINES CAN'T DOCK THEIR TENDER BOATS AT OUR PIER, THAT THAT RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY, WOULD WOULD HAVE TO APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD TO ANYBODY WISHING TO DOCK A SIMILAR TYPE VESSEL AGAINST THE, OR LARGER AGAINST.
NOW, WELL LET, LET'S MAKE THIS CLEAR.
HAVING SAID THAT, THIS CLEAR WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BECAUSE I, I WANT, I WANT IT, I WANT IT TO BE, I WANT IT TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY THIS BOARD AND BY THE PEOPLE OUT HERE.
SO A BIG SHIP LIKE PRINCESS OR SOMEBODY COMES OUT HERE AND THEY DON'T DOCK, ACTUALLY HERE THEY GO DOCK OUT IN THE RIVER THAT'S RIGHT AWAY FROM HERE.
AND THEY SEND A TENDER IN HERE.
AND WE SAY THAT YOU CANNOT PUT A, YOU CANNOT DOCK AT OUR DOCKS WITH A TENDER.
NOW THAT'S SMALLER BOAT THAN THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE THAT'S USES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAIT, I'M TRYING TO FINISH YOU JUMPING TO A POINT.
SO IF WE SAY YOU CAN'T BRING A TENDER HERE, THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T BRING ANY BOATS BIGGER THAN A TENDER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I CAN'T STAY FOR CERTAIN, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW THE, THESE SHIPS WORK AND EVERYTHING TO SAY HOW, WHAT KIND OF LIMIT, HOW YOU WOULD LIMIT IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE SHIP OR THE BOAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE RULES AND OUR, WE, UH, FOR THE USE OF OUR PIER, WE CHARGE, I, I BELIEVE I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WATERFRONT, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, A FEE, WE CHARGE FOR A TENDER BOAT AND IT DEFINES A TENDER BOAT.
WE CAN, WE CAN, WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD SAY YOU CAN'T DO THAT AT ALL.
AND, BUT THAT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYBODY.
SO ANY OTHER SHIP WISHING TO HAVE A TENDER BOAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME EXACT RULES.
WE CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PARTICULAR TYPES OF COMMERCE AND PARTICULAR COMPANIES BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS, ON RESTRICTIONS ON THE REGULATION OF COMMERCE, US CONSTITUTION.
AND ALSO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHO PUTS A SHIP IN THE, IN THE RIVER THAT'S UP TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THE, THE NAVIGABLE WATERS, THE YORK RIVER ARE, ARE CONTROLLED BY THE, BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND REGULATED BY THE COAST GUARD.
SO WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION ONE GENTLEMAN BROUGHT UP CONCERNING THE, UM, COAST GUARD? SOME LIMITATIONS OR SAID THAT I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
I THINK THERE WAS A, A MENTION THAT THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT WE COULD NOT, UM, WE COULD SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROVIDE PORT SECURITY OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ARGUMENT THAT WAS BEING MADE.
SO I WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION AND DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE POINT WAS THAT WAS BEING MADE.
THE, THE TAKEAWAY I GOT FROM THAT WAS THE PERSON WAS ADVISED, SAID HE WAS ADVISED BY THE COAST GUARD THAT SAID YORK COUNTY IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE INTERNATIONAL PORT SECURITY JUST BECAUSE THE VOTE SHOWS UP ASKING FOR IT.
WE'RE WE CAN'T BE FORCED TO PROVIDE IT.
I THINK THAT THAT WAS MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT, THAT COMMENT.
I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW ANY OF THAT, THAT WORKS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPINION ON ANY OF THAT AT THIS POINT.
MY, MY TAKEAWAY THIS THING WAS, WAS NOTHING
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TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.IT HAD TO DO OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THIS BOARD IS DOING SOMETHING WITH A OCEAN LINER CALLED PRINCESS WITHOUT HAVING ANY PUBLIC HEARING TO LET THE CITIZENS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON ANY DECISION BY THIS BOARD.
IT REMINDS ME WHEN I WAS A KID, OKAY.
ALL MY MOM HAD TO DO WHEN MY DAD CAME HOME FROM DAYS' DRIVING UPS TRUCKS WAS TO TELL MY, MY FATHER, WALT DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO DO TODAY.
AND WE WENT DOWN THE HALLWAY TO THE BA THE NEAREST BATHROOM, AND IT WAS A SPANKING TIME.
'CAUSE THAT BIG BLACK BOAT WAS COMING UP OFF HIS, HIS WAIST.
THE POINT IS THE ANALOGY, AND MAYBE A POOR ONE, BUT YOU HAD A FIVE MEMBER BOARD HERE AND NONE OF THREE OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH PRINCESS, OR I WASN'T FOR SURE AND NOR WERE THE CITIZENS AND THE ANGST WAS THE CITIZENS WANNA BE PART OF SOMETHING LIKE PRINCESS OR OR WHATEVER RELATIVE TO YORKTOWN.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE'RE DISAPPOINTED THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE GET US INVOLVED.
WE ARE ELECTED BY THESE PEOPLE OUT HERE.
UH, AND WE'RE NOT OMNIPOTENT WITH RESPECT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT THING.
SO, AND I, AND I WAS TIRED OF, I WAS TIRED OF BEING SPANKED TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT SELECTED PEOPLE.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THE QUESTION I'M ASKING OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND I THINK EVERYONE, AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO, TO, UH, TO PIPE UP ON THIS.
UM, FOLKS COME IN HERE AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE CRUISE LINER AND THEY TALK ABOUT POLLUTION.
THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE GONNA STOP WHATEVER, STOP THE SHIP FROM COMING IN THE RIVER.
UH, AND THEN BRINGING THESE, UH, TENDERS OVER, WHICH CARRY 50 TO A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
AND, UM, AND, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE CITIES AND, AND CHARLESTON AND, AND A FEW OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE TRIED TO PUSH BACK ON THESE, UH, THINGS THEY DON'T WANT, THEY DON'T WANT 'EM IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, WALTON IN THE MILITARY, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO PLAN FOR SOME OPTIONS HERE, RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO A MISSION AND IT DOESN'T WORK OUT RIGHT, YOU BETTER HAVE A BACK DOOR OR SOME WAY OF GETTING OUTTA HERE.
SO THE QUESTION I'M ASKING FOR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS, 'CAUSE WE USED SIT HERE ALL DAY LONG AND DO, AND WHAT IF, OKAY, BUT I'M ASKING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DEFENSIVE PLAN IF, UH, AN EXIT PLAN, IF THE CRUISE SHIP BUSINESS TURNS INTO A RIG MUD PILE.
SO, I MEAN, AND SO WE GOTTA KNOW STUFF AND, AND IT'S LEGAL STUFF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR AUTHORITY? WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT CAN'T WE DO? AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW A REAL LEGAL OPINION.
I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS THAT FOR, FOR A DEFENSIVE POSITION.
WELL, I, I, I'M PREPARED TO, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE MEMO OUTLINING A LOT OF THESE TOPICS.
THE, THE, WHICH I WILL PRESENT TO THE BOARD AS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT A LARGE, SEVERAL OF THESE ISSUES ARE UNDER ACTIVE LITIGATION IN COURTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT BAR HARBOR MAINE AND BAR HARBOR MAINE PASSED A SERIES OF RESTRICTIONS, BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN HEAVILY LITIGATED AND ARE UNDER FEDERAL LAWSUIT IN, IN MAINE.
AND SO THE, THE JUDGE HASN'T RULED ON THAT YET.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY CASES THAT ARE PENDING IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT, SOME OF THESE ISSUES ABOUT, OH, I'VE GOT ONE.
HOW MUCH POWER YOU HAVE AND HOW MUCH, UH, ABILITY YOU HAVE TO RESTRICT THESE TYPES OF, UH, ENTERPRISES.
WELL, SO I, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF WHAT IFS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA DO THE, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AROUND, BUT WE, THE, I THINK THE BOARD OF THE SUPERVISORS DESERVE TO HAVE, UH, A REAL GOOD FOUNDATION.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HEARD THIS THING ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE NAVIGABLE WATERS, WHICH IS, WHICH NEW YORK RIVER HAS.
OKAY? WE HAVE THE COAST GUARD OUT HERE DOING, SAYING STUFF OR DOING STUFF, AND WE NEED TO KNOW, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THIS BIG QUESTION OF WHAT THE SUPERVISORS CAN DO.
I MEAN, DO WE, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A DEFENSIVE MOTION TO GO GET CHAD AS HE'S UP HERE IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY, AND I'M AVAILABLE TO GET THE, WE GET THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO TRY TO GIVE US AUTHORITY OVER THE, OVER THE YORK RIVER.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? OKAY.
UM, AND WALT, I WILL BRING IT.
I'M GONNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW THE STAFF WENT DOWN AND THEY BRIEFED YOU ON THIS.
OKAY? THEY BRIEFED YOU ON THIS WHOLE THING, THE LETTER AND THE WHOLE DEAL.
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MM-HMM,I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS BOARD.
COLLECTIVELY, WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR DECISIONS COME.
SO THEY NEVER TOOK, TOOK PLACE.
THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT.
BUT PEOPLE COMING TO US AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DECISIONS DO WE MAKE? THE BUSINESS HAS NOT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR ANY DECISION.
THE BUSINESS, IT'S NOT, HAVE NOT COME FOR ANY DECISION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO OPERATE ON.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WE HAVE DIALOGUE.
WE HAVE, WELL, YOU CAN TALK ALL DAY LONG, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WELL, WE GOTTA, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MY TIME JUST TALKING.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO ASK ME ABOUT HOW CAN YOU, HOW CAN YOU STOP SOMETHING, HOW YOU DO SOMETHING, I NEED TO KNOW A LEGAL, A LEGAL, NO KIDDING OPINION.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ATTORNEYS DURING THIS PERIOD.
I'M ASKING OUR ATTORNEY AND I'M ASKING ALL THE SUPERVISORS TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S DO THIS.
LET'S FIND SOME DEFENSIVE, SOME WHAT, WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? NO.
WE DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO DISCUSSION.
WE'RE I, WE'RE GIVING, LOOK, THE REASON I'M ASKING SHEILA IS BECAUSE I DON'T, AS A, AS A CHAIRMAN, GIVE HIM A TASK.
OKAY? I HAD THE BOARD TASK OUR TWO EMPLOYEES.
WELL, YOU CAN, AS CHAIRMAN, I CAN'T.
HE OPERATES OFFICE SUPERVISOR.
REQUEST RECEIPT, SUPERVISOR REQUEST RECEIPT.
SO YOU GOT A TASK HERE, RIGHT, SIR? MR. SHEPHERD? I HAVE ONE OTHER THING, AND SURE, GO AHEAD, MR. SO BRIAN BROUGHT IT UP TODAY, AND WE ARE FREQUENTLY OUT ON THE WATER, UH, DURING THE SUMMER, AND WE FREQUENTLY COME UP TO YORKTOWN.
AND IF CRUISE BOATS ARE HERE USING THE PUBLIC DOCKS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE PAID FOR AND THE CITIZENS CAN'T USE THEM, UH, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BIG ISSUE.
UH, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CITIZEN'S USE OF THE DOCKS CAN BE WHILE THESE CRUISE BOATS ARE, ARE THERE ONE OF THE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE FOREIGN FOREIGN FLAGS? AND I, AND I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WHEN I'VE COME UP BECAUSE THE BOATS HAVE BEEN SMALL AND YOU JUST TIE UP.
BUT, UH, MS. TAYLOR WAS SAYING THAT SHE WAS DOWN HERE.
AND THEY HAD THE GATE ACROSS AND SHE WAS GREETED UNARMED GUARD.
UH, SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE POLICY'S GONNA BE FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE DOCKS WHILE THE CRUISE BOATS ARE IN COURT.
THIS IS NOT GONNA BE AN EASY TASK.
SOME OF THAT IS, SOME OF THAT IS, UM, FOR WATERFRONT OPERATIONS TO ANSWER.
I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO OBJECT.
AND I WOULD TURN, I WOULD TURN TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOWN ON LAND USING OUR DOCKS.
OKAY? BUT THE THING IS, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T WANNA GO OUT THERE AND GIVE HIM A WHAT IF OR JUST STAND THERE AND, AND LIKE A, YOU KNOW, MR. AND MR. FULLER HAS SOMETHING HE WOULD LIKE TO ENLIGHTEN US WITH.
AND WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE ONE DAY IN THE MIDDLE OF A WEEK.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THAT'S, I'M TALKING ABOUT A BOAT COMING IN.
IT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY.
OKAY? AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONE DAY OR 10 DAYS OR THREE DAYS.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR AUTHORITY IS AS SUPERVISORS.
UH, AS MR. HILL SAID, THE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS AND THE YORKTOWN PEERS ARE OPERATED UNDER ONE OF YOUR POOR POLICIES.
I FORGET THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UH, AND, UH, RIGHT AFTER MR. MORGAN GOT HERE, UH, WE COMMISSIONED A GROUP OF CITIZENS, VOTERS.
MR. GREEN WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND WE RE-LOOKED AT THOSE POLICIES AND CAME UP WITH THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY AS FAR AS PORT SECURITY, AS FAR AS AN, AN OPERATION OF THE PIERS, THE LARGE PIER, THE, THE T PIER AS WE CALL IT.
THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT UNDER THE GAZEBO IS A COMMERCIAL PIER.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH BODE INFRASTRUCTURE AND GRANT MONEY.
AND THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS FOR VESSELS LARGER THAN 26 FEET.
UH, THE L PIER, WHICH IS BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, THAT IS MORE THE RECREATIONAL PIER.
AND THAT IS WHERE MAJORITY OF THE BOATERS THAT THAT COME IN EVERY DAY SHOULD BE DOCKING.
UH, IT'S MONITORED BY THE STATE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES AND LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, YOUR, YOUR T P'S NOT FULL.
IF YOU WANTED TO BRING EVERYBODY OVER TO THE EL P OR I MEAN TO THE TP, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT THE INTENT IS THAT THE PIER IS COMMERCIAL.
ALSO IN THE BOARD PACKET, UM, THAT WENT OUT THIS WEEK, THAT'S NOW AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE DID, UH, SUBMIT A MEMO FOR MR. MORGAN.
WHAT WENT OUT WITH ON FRIDAY IN YOUR BOARD PACKET THAT'S NOW AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON TUESDAY.
THERE WAS A MEMO THAT TALKED ABOUT PORT SECURITY.
SO THAT, AND THAT IS AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND THAT GOES INTO GREAT DETAIL ON THE, ON THE PLAN AND GIVES US REFERENCE UNDER THE LAW AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND YOUR BOARD POLICY, I SHOULD SAY.
WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE POLICY IF IT'S OUR BOARD.
BUT I NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OUTSIDE FORCE THAT'S GONNA PROHIBIT US TO, RIGHT.
JUST REALLY QUICKLY, THERE ARE PLENTY OF TIMES WHEN WE DO CLOSE THE PIER.
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BOATS, WHEN WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT PIER, THAT PIER BEING ONE IS A, IS A THE T PIER OR THE, OR THE L PIER.UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE, THE NUMBER OF BOATS, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO CLOSE THEM, WE CLOSE 'EM EVERY NIGHT.
UM, IF PEOPLE WANNA WALK OUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT SHE, THE, THE WOMAN COULD NOT WALK OUT ON THE PIER.
SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS FOR SAFETY.
UH, WE HAVE COMPLAINTS FROM BOATERS THAT PEOPLE ARE OUT WALKING ON THEIR BOAT.
THEY'VE, UH, ENTERED PEOPLE'S BOATS BEFORE, UH, AS THEY'RE WALKING AROUND.
BUT WE DO CONTROL THAT AND WE MONITOR THAT WITH STAFF.
THE FISHING PIER, WHICH IS 150 YARDS UP RIVER, IS OPEN 24 7.
SO IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTED TO WALK OUT ON A PIER, THERE'S ALWAYS A PLACE TO DO IT IN THE VILLAGE.
THERE AGAIN, JUST LIKE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SOMEBODY, YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.
UH, AND NOT EVERYBODY GETS, YOU WANT.
SO THERE ARE TIMES THAT WE HAVE TO CONTROL THAT PIER FOR THE SAFETY.
WHEN IT GETS TOO WINDY, IT GETS ROCKY.
I TELL YOU, WHEN IT, WHEN IT GETS A LITTLE ROUGH, YOU DON'T WANNA WALK OUT ON THE PIERS.
UH, AND IT, IT'S NOT MEANT AS A BOARDWALK, IT IS A FISHING.
I MEAN, IT IS A, A MARINA TYPE, A BOATING PIER.
WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS A POINT THAT IN THE PUBLIC, UH, PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE HERE THAT LIVE HERE AND WANT TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WANNA WALK AROUND, DO STUFF, THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT YOU DO.
AND WE HAVE THE FISHING P WHICH IS A FIXED PIER.
YOU KNOW, THE FISHING PIER IS A, IS A FIXED PIER.
IT'S NOT BOUNCING IN A RIVER AS THE FLOATING PIER IS, UM, THAT WE DOCK THE BOATS ON.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S A GOOD EXPLANATION.
I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT PACKAGE.
BUT, UH, THE BIG THING RIGHT NOW, WE NEED, THIS BOARD NEEDS THE, WE NEED OUR LIMIT LEGAL LIMITATIONS HERE.
EVEN, EVEN, EVEN IF THEY COME IN HERE, WE JUST NEED, IF THINGS GET REALLY UGLY, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
HERE TO OUR MINUTE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? I DO HAVE A COUPLE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF GIVEN THE LATE HOUR, BUT WE DID WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, DECEMBER ONE AT SEVEN 30 IS A CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING.
AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AS MANY CAN, AS, AS CAN ATTEND.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE BIG ISSUE.
AND THEN, UH, THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE IS THE VERY FOLLOWING NIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE EVERYONE THERE AS WELL.
THE MAN WHO LOOKS LIKE SANTA CLAUS IS MAKING THIS, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT.
UH, SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, MR. HALL, DIRECTOR OF OUR 9 1 1 CENTER WAS AWARDED THE RICHARD DELLO AWARD BY THE NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATIONS, UH, COUNCIL.
AND THIS IS AN AWARD THAT'S VOTED ON BY THEIR MEMBERS, AND IT'S BASED OFF THEIR PERSONAL PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT AND THEIR PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OPERATIONS.
SO IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT TO THE COUNTY AND TO MR. HALL THAT, UH, HE WAS AWARDED THAT.
SO IF YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY, GIVE HIM PAT ON THE BACK AND TELL HIM GOOD JOB.
HE, HE IS ACTUALLY ON VACATION.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVE FOR YOU IS HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING.
NOW, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, OR ANYTHING FOR THE ADMINISTRATOR? ONE, ONE QUICK THING.
MR. DUPREE, WHO CAME, UH, IN THE, UH, FIRST HOUR TONIGHT, I MENTIONED, UH, HE HAD SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.
IF YOU COULD HAVE SOME COUNTY STAFF LOOK INTO THAT.
HE LIVES IN THE FIRST HOUSE LEFT OF, UH, THE SEAFORD SCHOOL.
I HAVE SOME AWARENESS OF MR. DUPRE'S ISSUE.
THANK, AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THE PADDLE, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.
WHAT'S IT, WHAT'S THAT GAME? THE PICKLEBALL PICKLEBALL.
SO WE GOT THE, I KNOW WE GOT THE NEW COURTS, SO IF THEY'RE DOING MORE PICKLEBALL THAN THEY ARE TENNIS, WHEN DON'T WE HAVE MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS? SO ACTUALLY, UH, THE MEMO THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT, UH, PACKAGE ACTUALLY STATES THAT, UM, WE, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT STRIPING TWO OF THE TENNIS COURTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND LEAVE THE TWO, UH, TENNIS COURTS, STRICTLY TENNIS.
BUT THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE BEING USED AS PICKLEBALL COULD BE USED AS TENNIS COURTS AS WELL.
IS THAT THE PLAN? SOMEWHAT, ROUGHLY.
SO BASICALLY, UM, WE, WE WILL, WE WERE GONNA STRIPE IT THE SAME AS THE FOUR TENNIS COURTS,
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BUT YOU CAN PUT TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS ON ONE TENNIS COURT.SO WE ARE GOING TO STRIPE THE FOUR TENNIS COURTS, BUT BE ABLE TO PUT FOUR TENNIS COURTS ON TWO OF THE TENNIS COURTS WITH PERMIT, WITH, UH, PORTABLE NETTING THAT, THAT THEY USE IN ALL THE PROFESSIONAL TOURNAMENTS AND ALL.
SO WE COULD ACTUALLY TURN THAT INTO EIGHT AND OR FOUR OR WHATEVER COMBINATION THAT'LL ALLOW US THE MOST FLEXIBILITY, UM, AS, AS WE, AS PICKLEBALL GROWS.
BUT IT'LL ALLOW US, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE EIGHT AND FOUR, WE COULD HAVE 16 COURTS THERE IF WE WANTED TO DO A BIG TOURNAMENT.
WE BRING IN SOME OUTSIDE PEOPLE TO PLAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.
THE PICKLE BALL'S REALLY GOTTEN TO BE A BIG THING.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
LET'S GO TO MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.JUST ONE THING, UH, TONIGHT WE HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT TRAVELING AROUND THE WORLD AND, AND LIVING IN DIFFERENT PLACES FROM MOSTLY, UH, MILITARY PEOPLE.
I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU BECAUSE, UH, I SPENT 33 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY, TRAVELED ALL AROUND THE WORLD, AND I KNOW AS WE MOVED EVERY TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, MOVED AND MOVED AND MOVED, UH, FINALLY CAME TO TO TRADE DOCK DOWN AT MONROE, BUILT A HOME IN YORK COUNTY, UPPER YORK COUNTY.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE THAN YORK COUNTY, BUT I CAN'T DECIDE WHERE THAT IS.
AND I'VE BEEN AROUND THE WORLD A NUMBER OF TIMES.
IF YOU WANT A REALLY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY TO LIVE IN, VISIT VIETNAM.
BUT IT'S NOT VERY NICE WHEN THERE'S A WAR GOING ON.
SO, BUT THE POINT IS, THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE THAN YOUR COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HELL IT IS, QUITE FRANKLY.
WELL, I, I GUESS JUST KIND OF BRIEF REFLECTION FOLLOWING, UM, LEC ELECTIONS EARLY THIS, THIS MONTH.
SO SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HERE IN THE COUNTY.
AND THIS BOARD WILL HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS, UH, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
SCHOOL BOARD WILL HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS.
UH, WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE NEW, UM, AT LEAST ONE BRAND NEW, UM, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER AND ONE THAT OFFICIALLY GOT VOTED IN, UM, IN OFFICE.
SO SOME, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE COUNTY AT, AT THE LEADERSHIP LEVEL, WHICH ALSO CAN INVITE, UM, MORE INTERACTION, FEEDBACK, DIALOGUE WITH, WITH NEW MEMBERS.
SO ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, LOOK TO SEE WHO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IS, EITHER ON THE BOARD, ON, ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE DIFFERENT CONSTITUTION OFFICERS.
UM, USE THIS AS OPPORTUNITY AS THEY'RE NEW TO THE BOARD.
REACH OUT, TALK TO THEM, ENGAGE THEM, WORK WITH THEM, LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, WHERE THEY CAN HELP YOU OUT IN AND, UM, TO START THAT DIALOGUE FRESH GOING INTO JA GOING INTO JANUARY WITH THE DIFFERENT OFFICES COMING UP.
AND SECOND OF ALL, UH, EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE ELECTION THIS NOVEMBER.
I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE EXPRESS THEMSELVES THROUGH THE VOTING, AND I THINK WE HAD A VERY GOOD TURNOUT THIS YEAR.
SO THANK YOU ALL WHO CAME OUT TO VOTE, EITHER IN THE EARLY VOTING TIME OR THE REGULAR VOTING TIME.
AND I WANNA THANK ALL THE ELECTION OFFICIALS WHO WORKED THE POLLS SO THAT WE COULD GO OUT AND VOTE.
UH, THEY START OUT SO EARLY IN THE MORNING, FIVE O'CLOCK, AND THEY'RE NOT FINISHED UNTIL AFTER SEVEN OR EIGHT O'CLOCK, AND THEY COME OUT AND THEY WORK YEAR AFTER YEAR.
BUT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE VOLUNTEERS.
AND SO IF YOU WHO HAVE VOTED HAVE SEEN THE WORK THAT THEY DO AT THE POLLS, AND YOU MIGHT LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION, PLEASE VOLUNTEER TO WORK AS A POLL OFFICIAL.
AND I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A VERY, VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
BUT I WANT YOU ALSO PLEASE REMEMBER THOSE WHO ARE NOT GONNA BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES THIS YEAR.
UH, MANY ARE DEPLOYED AND THEY'RE SERVING OUR COUNTRY, AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THEM WHEN WE'RE GIVING THANKS FOR OUR MEAL AND OUR DAY.
HEY, CHAD, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE SHEILA NOLL ON A GREAT VICTORY.
AND I SEE MR. WAYNE DRURY OUT IN THE BACK.
IF YOU COULD JUST WAVE AND SAY, HEY, HE'S GONNA BE TAKING MY SPOT, DISTRICT THREE NEXT YEAR.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, ALAH JOHNSON, GEORGE CLARK, AND ROBERT HOLLOWAY FOR ALSO RUNNING AND, UH, PARTICIPATING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
SO THANKS AND CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE.
HE DIDN'T HAVE, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPETITION.
IS IT, IS IT, I KNEW IT WAS A HARD CAMPAIGN.
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WAS CLEAR.WELL, THANK, I WANNA THANK THE PUBLIC TO THAT, UH, DID GET OUT AND VOTE, AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
UM, SOMETHING, UH, TWO THINGS THAT ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
I PARTICIPATED, UH, WELL, PARTICIPATED, I'VE WATCHED, UM, THE, UH, I, THERE'S THE I 64 GAP WIDENING PROJECT.
THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN HAMPTON ROADS AND RICHMOND, UH, THAT WE, UH, WE CANNOT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND WIDENING THAT ROAD.
AND, UM, I TELL YOU, IT'S JUST AMAZING GOING DOWN.
IF YOU JUST REMEMBER BACK NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO MM-HMM.
AND VERY QUICKLY OVER REALLY A SHORT PERIOD, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WIDEN ALMOST ALL OF 64, UH, LEASE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR AREA.
SO THE, THE GAP IS BEING FUNDED, UM, AND IN PART THE LAST NINE MILES, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT'S IN HAMPTON ROADS IS GONNA BE FUNDED.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE 700, 750 $6 MILLION IS WHAT THAT PROJECT COSTS, JUST TO WIDEN THAT, THAT STRETCH.
THEY'RE GONNA START AT THAT END.
I SEE THAT END BY BO UH, FIVE, UH, WHAT IS IT? BOTTOMS BRIDGE OVER TOWARDS RICHMOND.
AND THEN THEY'LL WORK THEIR WAY ACROSS, UM, TO, TO GET TO US.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST GONNA, PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA BE SAFER FOR US.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH THE AREA EASIER.
UM, TOURISM IS, IS IS A THING THAT WE COULD DRAW A LOT OF FUNDS OFF OF THAT.
AND IT HELPS WITH OUR, HELPS WITH, HELPS SUPPORTING US ALL THE WAY.
BUT ANYWAY, ON NOVEMBER 13TH, THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED.
THE GOVERNOR SHOWED UP AND ALL THE SENATORS AND EVERYBODY ALL VERY HAPPY THAT, AND, UH, BARRY KNIGHT, DELEGATE BARRY KNIGHT.
I REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO THANK HIM BECAUSE HE, HE WAS ONE THAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING ABOUT $472 MILLION OF THAT, OF THAT MONEY.
ONE LAST THING THAT'S KIND OF NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
UM, AND I THINK CHAD, YOU DIDN'T HAVE MIL, YOU WEREN'T IN THE MILITARY, WERE YOU? NO.
AND HOW ABOUT YOU, YOU WEREN'T IN THE MILITARY.
SO IT WAS INTERESTING, WALT, WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD, WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD IN, IN, UM, 2002, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE BOARD WAS IN THE, HAD BEEN IN THE MILITARY.
WHEN YOU LEAVE, I'LL BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT.
SHE WAS KIND OF A QUASI, SHE, SHEILA SHEILA WAS QUASI YEAH.
HER HUSBAND, UH, UH, SERVED, UM, CHARLIE SERVED AS IN THE NAVY SUBMARINE, I BELIEVE, NUCLEAR SUBMARINES.
BUT WE ALL HAD MILITARY EXPERIENCE.
AND, AND THE SAD PART ABOUT THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF A REFLECTION OF OUR, UM, OF KIND OF A GENERATION, IF YOU WILL.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE VIETNAM CAME AROUND, THEY HAD THE DRAFT GOING, BUT EVERYBODY HAD EXPERIENCE.
AND I REMEMBER AS A KID, UM, MY AND MY DAD WAS IN THE MARINES IN WORLD WAR II.
AND SO WHEN I WAS A KID AND I WAS GROWING UP, I WAS AROUND MARINES ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND, UH, AND IT WAS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY HAD BEEN WORLD WAR II.
EVERYBODY HAD BEEN VETS, OKAY, YOU SEE 'EM EVERYWHERE.
AND NOW OBVIOUSLY WORLD WAR II'S GUYS ARE GONE, VIETNAM GUYS ARE STARTING TO FADE OUT.
UH, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE DESERT STORM FOLKS AND ALL THAT, BUT IT'S GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER.
AND YEARS AGO WHEN WE WENT TO A, UH, VACO CONFERENCE, WHICH HAD ABOUT FIVE, 600 PEOPLE THERE REPRESENTING THE COUNTIES OF VIRGINIA, AND THEY ASKED ALL THE VETS TO STAND UP, OUR WHOLE TABLE STOOD UP.
BUT YOU LOOK AROUND, THERE WERE MANY OF THE TABLES HAD NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE THE, WE'RE AT THE 50TH YEAR CELEBRATION OF THE VOLUNTEER MILITARY.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU WERE, YOU WERE, WHEN WAL AND I WERE AROUND AND WE HAD TO GET, YOU KNOW, GET DRAFTED UNTIL YOU COULD GET DRAFTED AND THEN YOU FIND YOUR BUTT OVER IN VIETNAM REAL QUICK, RIGHT? UM, I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE AND I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO, UH, FLY AIRPLANE.
SO NOT IN VIETNAM, BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS JUST A DIFFERENT TIME.
AND, UH, OUR MILITARY VOLUNTEERS ARE STARTING TO GET, IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR OUR SERVICES TO FIND PEOPLE.
UM, I, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN HERE THAT FROM, UH, SECRETARY AUSTIN, UH, THAT I WANTED TO, I REALLY WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY.
IT SAYS, UM, SO THE RE RECRUITMENT, SEE THE SUMMER, LET'S GO OVER HERE.
THE HEALTH OF ALL OUR, UH, OKAY.
THE HEALTH OF OUR ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE DEPENDS ON AMERICANS, AMERICA'S YOUTH UNDERSTANDING AND ENGAGING AND THE OPPORTUNITIES OFFERED IN THE MILITARY SERVICES.
THE DEPARTMENT IS HEAVILY INVESTED IN TRAINING, DEVELOPMENT, AND WELLBEING OF THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO SERVE.
SINCE CONSCRIPTION ENDED IN THE UNITED STATES,
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MORE THAN 15 MILLION SERVICE MEMBERS HAVE ENLISTED TODAY MORE THAN 2 MILLION SERVE IN UNIFORM.AND SHEILA, I WAS THINKING OF YOUR NOTE ABOUT FOLKS BEING, UH, THE PEOPLE SERVING, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TWO CARRIERS RIGHT OVER THERE NEAR THAT GOING ON IN, IN THE MEDITERRANEAN.
SO OUR SERVICE MEMBERS, SOLDIERS, SAILORS, AIRMEN, GUARDIANS, MARINES, AND COAST GUARD ARE OUR GREATEST ASSET.
AND EACH SELFLESSLY ANSWER THE CALL OF OUR COUNTRY TO SERVE.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THIS IS TO PARENTS, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT YOUR LOVED ONES PUT IN HARM'S WAY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MILITARY REALLY GIVES YOU IS DISCIPLINE.
IF YOU, YOUR CHILD APPEARS TO BE KIND OF WANDERING LOOSE PEOPLE AND THEY, THEY GO, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IN LIFE? WELL, YOU HAVE YOU, OH, I'M GONNA GO OUT AND FIND MYSELF.
AND THE POINT IS, CAN I, WHERE CAN I GET EXPERIENCE? YOU COULD GET A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE MILITARY AND IT'S NOT ALL GOING OVER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENT WAS, UH, JOIN THE MILITARY.
GO, GO TO NEW WORLDS, MEET NEW PEOPLE AND KILL 'EM.
NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU GO OVER TO LIKE TIM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO OVER AND YOU COULD LEARN TRADE AND COMPUTERS.
YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO MANAGE LARGE ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND FALL INTO CITY MANAGEMENT BEING, OR MAINTENANCE OF, OF VEHICLES, VEHICLE FLEETS FOR WHOLE CITIES LIKE JACKSONVILLE, THE, UH, HAS A BIG FLEET OF VEHICLES.
IT'S MANAGED BY A NAVY CAPTAIN, A GUY THAT RETIRED AND WENT OVER THERE.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN LEARN HISTORY.
I MEAN, YOU JUST LEARN TO FLY AIRPLANES AND BECOME A LATER GET, JUST GET OUT AND TO GO FLY THE AIRLINES.
THERE'S JUST SO MUCH YOU CAN DO.
AND THE MILITARY, I'LL TELL YOU, RETIREMENT PAY IS NICE TO HAVE, UM, THE EXPERIENCE, THE PEOPLE YOU MEET.
AND LIKE WALT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL OVER THE LIVING ALL OVER THE WORLD AND YOU'RE SEEING STUFF, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S REALLY GOOD.
AND THEN YOU FIND SOMEWHERE YOU SETTLE DOWN LIKE A WONDERFUL PLACE HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
SO I, I JUST, I WANNA THANK THE, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED IN THE MILITARY THAT ARE SERVING TODAY IN THE MILITARY AND, AND, UH, FOLKS, UH, JUST PARENTS.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO, TO HAVE YOUR PA HAVE YOUR CHILD, UH, YOUNG MEN, YOUNG WOMEN, TO GO DOWN AND JUST TALK AND LOOK AROUND AND SEE, UH, IF SERVICE WOULD FIT.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, I WOULD SAY IF YOU, YOU HAVE A QUESTION, WHERE'S YOUR HEART? MAYBE SIGN UP, GO SERVE A COUPLE YEARS AND THEN YOU COME OUT OF THERE, GUESS WHAT YOU GOT VA BENEFITS THAT YOU CAN USE TO HELP PAY FOR COLLEGE.
SO ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY, THAT'S MY SPEECH.
OKAY, SO THE MEETING IS, UH, GONNA BE ADJOURNED HERE.
AND THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN TO THIS.
THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE HELD AT SIX O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE FIFTH, UM, 2023 IN THE EAST ROOM.