[1. Call to Order]
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CALL TO ORDER THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION OF, UH, NOVEMBER THE EIGHTH, 2023.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS AND ARE ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
MADAM SECRETARY, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
YOU PLEASE JOIN ME WITH THE PLEDGE OF ELATIONS.
I PLEDGE TO SEE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FULLY STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – October 11, 2023 ]
OKAY.MOVING TO OUR LAST MEETING MINUTES.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, COMMENTS, CONDITIONS, TO THE MINUTES? UH, WE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT, I THINK HAS BEEN RECORDED.
CORRECT? HAVE I HAVE NONE? OKAY.
THE MOTION BY MR. SER IS TO ADAPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER 11TH, 2023.
[5. Citizen Comments]
FLOOR TO, UH, FOR CITIZENS COMMENT, PERIOD.AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? NONE.
AND THAT WE WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR
[Application Nos. YVA-51-23 and YVA-52-23, G-Square, Inc.: Request for Yorktown Village Activity approval, pursuant to Section 24.1-327(b) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the expansion of the outdoor dining area between the existing restaurants and the establishment of a new restaurant on three parcels with a combined area of 0.8 acre (GPINs P12d-3084-0882, P12d-3135-0800, and P12d-3237- 0683) located at 524, 528, and 540 Water Street (Route 1002). The property is zoned YVA (Yorktown Village Activity) and is designated Yorktown in the Comprehensive Plan.]
PUBLIC HEARINGS.UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, I WAS, UH, ELECTED, DULY ELECTED LAST NIGHT AS BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
HAD A DISCUSSION WITH RICHARD HILL TODAY IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE PROCESS, UH, FOR GOING FORWARD AS BOTH PLANNING, COMMISSIONER AND THEN ULTIMATELY BOARD OF SUPERVISOR.
I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A PERCEPTION OF VOTING TWICE OR, UH, CAUSING AN ETHICAL ISSUE.
SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON THAT.
WE AGREED THAT I WOULD FILL THE PLANNING COMMISSION ROLE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
ANY ITEMS THAT THEN SUBSEQUENTLY COME TO THE BOARD DURING MY TERM, I WOULD REUSE MYSELF FROM, UH, BOTH, UH, DISCUSSION AND VOTING.
WE HAVE I THINK THREE, UH, APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.
UH, AND STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION FOLLOWED BY THE COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK.
AND THEN ANY CITIZENS COMMENT OVER TO YOU, SIR.
WE HAVE, UM, THE, UH, TABLED APPLICATIONS FOR YVA 51 DASH 23 AND 51, OR 52 DASH 23 FOR G SQUARE INCORPORATED.
UM, THIS IS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA BETWEEN LARRY'S LEMONADE AND THE PUB DOWN AT WATER STREET, AND, UH, FOR A PROPOSAL, A SECOND PROPOSAL, WHICH IS A 52 FOR THE NEW RESTAURANT.
UM, ALL OF THESE ARE LOCATED ON THESE ADDRESSES HERE AT WATER STREET.
SO, UM, YOU ALL HAD THIS AT YOUR OCTOBER MEETING AND YOU TABLED BOTH APPLICATIONS, UM, WITH, UH, GIVING SOME FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT.
AND THE APPLICANT WENT TO THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
UM, THEY HAD GONE ON THE 20TH, AND ON THE 20TH THE COMMITTEE HAD APPROVED THE BOARDWALK ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAD TABLED THE NEW RESTAURANT TO GET SOME VIEWS FROM THE RIVERVIEW HOME THAT SITS ABOVE IT AT THE GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH PROPERTY.
THEY MET AGAIN AND ON OCTOBER 18TH, AND THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME REQUESTED THAT THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE TABLE, UM, THE RESTAURANT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER, THEIR NOVEMBER MEETING.
AND THEN HE SOLICITED FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE AND FROM THOSE PRESENT TO TRY TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW BETTER TO REDESIGN HIS PLAN.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT APPEALED MORE TO EVERYBODY'S LIKING.
UM, SO IT WAS, I WOULD SAY IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING.
I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WAS VERY HAPPY THAT, THAT MR. GRANGER, UH, ASKED FOR THE FEEDBACK AND GOT IT.
AND SO HE HAS RESUBMITTED THAT AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
SO I'LL JUST KIND OF GO OVER REALLY QUICKLY AND THEN SHOW YOU THE PICTURES.
UM, THE REVISIONS THAT HE'S PROPOSED.
SO HE HAS REVISED THE BOARDWALK, WHICH WILL REQUIRE GOING BACK TO THE HYDC COMMITTEE, UH, THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
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UM, BUT, UH, HE REVISED IT.THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE DECK, BUT THEY HAD USED A DIFFERENT, UH, WAY OF CALCULATING THE NUMBER OF SEATING.
SO THE SEATING IS REDUCED BY, FROM 1 32 TO 110, SO A LOT LESS PEOPLE OUT THERE.
UM, AND THEY ALSO CHANGED THE, UH, WHERE IT USED TO BE TWO, UM, ROOFS OVER EACH SIDE WITH AN OPEN MIDDLE WITH SAILS, UH, FOR SHADE.
THEY CHANGED THAT TO A FULL ROOF ACROSS THE TOP.
AND THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENTS ON THE BLUFF, UM, ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE PROTECTION FROM THE NOISE AND LIGHT AND ACTIVITY.
UM, AND SO THEY HAVE PROPOSED A GABLE STYLE ROOF WITH SHINGLES.
UM, AND THIS IS THE NEW PLAN, WHICH I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT, HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT I'LL REPEAT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DECK HAS NOT CHANGED.
YOU'VE GOT LARRY'S LEMONADE OVER HERE, CHURCH TREAT STAIRS THERE.
UM, AND THE NEW BOARDWALK HERE.
UM, IT'S GOT A LITTLE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE NEXT TO LARRY'S THE BAR ON THIS END OPEN DINING BAR ON THIS END WITH ADA COMPLIANT BATHROOMS AT THE BACKSIDE.
UH, THE PUB IS HERE, WON'T CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN THE NEW RESTAURANT HERE ON, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF WATER STREET AND REED, YOU'LL SEE IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE.
AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE IT'S A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE THREE PARALLEL SPACES HERE ON REED STREET.
SO ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING, THOUGH, NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, BUT STILL SOMETHING, UM, TO THAT SIDE, WHICH ALL CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING WITH THE HYDC IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS PRESENT.
UH, THIS JUST KIND OF SHOWS IT IN THAT VISUAL APPEAL.
YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE CLEANING UP THE PARKING THINGS.
ALL OF THAT IS STILL REMAINING SAME, THE SAME.
SO THIS IS THE NEW, NEW, UH, BOARDWALK.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S A GABLE STYLE ROOF, VERY LOW SLOPE, UM, COMPLETELY COVERED, BUT OPEN ON THE SIDES, UH, WHITE COLUMNS.
UM, THAT ALL OF THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THIS HAS A NEW ROOF OVER IT.
THIS IS THE ANGLE FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
FOR THE RESTAURANT, AS I SAID, THEY REDUCED THE SIZE 600 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THEY REDUCED THE SEATING CAPACITY FROM 1 59 TO 125 AND ADDED THOSE THREE PARALLEL SPACES ON REED STREET.
UM, THEY ALSO CREATED A, A WATER STREET FRONTAGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING HISTORIC GUIDELINES, UM, SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE ON, ON WATER STREET PROPERTIES.
YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ENTRANCE THAT'S ON WATER STREET.
AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT HE GOT IN THAT MEETING.
AND SO HE HAS CREATED SOMEWHAT OF AN ENTRANCE, AND I'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU IN HERE, HERE WITH A FAUX ENTRY DOORWAY ON WATER STREET.
AND THE DESIGN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAD SEEN BEFORE.
SO THIS IS THE NEW, THE NEW RESTAURANT.
THEY PULLED THAT GABLE OUT IN THE FRONT AND CREATED A LITTLE ENTRY PATIO THAT REALLY IS NOT AN ENTRY OR EXIT, IT'S JUST KIND OF A LITTLE BALCONY AREA, SMALL LITTLE BALCONY AREA.
THOSE DOORS DO OPEN SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE OUTSIDE.
IT STILL HAS THE WRAPAROUND PORCH ON THE FRONT AND THE SIDE OF REED STREET.
UM, THE, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS NOT VERY HIGH.
IT'S WHAT THEY CAME BACK FROM, UH, THE DISCUSSION WITH THE GREAT EPISCOPAL CHURCH, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
UM, THAT THEY LIKED THAT HEIGHT AND PITCH BECAUSE THEY COULD STILL SEE BEYOND A LITTLE PORTION OF THE BEACH AND THE RIVER ITSELF.
SO, UM, MR. WASSER, YOU HAD ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE, UM, TRAFFIC AND PARKING SITUATION.
SO THIS IS THE PARKING LAYOUT.
UM, I PULLED THIS FROM OUR WATER STREET CONSULTANT PRESENTATION.
SO THE YELLOW AREAS ARE ALL THE PARKING LOTS.
UM, THEY LIST THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN EACH OF THOSE LOTS, UH, HOW MANY ADA ONES ARE THERE AND SO FORTH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE PUB IS HERE IN THIS LOCATION PUB, UH, LARRY'S WHERE THE PROPOSALS WILL BE GOING.
UH, CLOSEST LOT IS THE ARCHER LOT, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS REED STREET.
BUT THEY ALSO, THERE ARE ALSO LOTS THROUGHOUT.
AND THEN JUST IN COMPARISON, THIS IS THE TROLLEY MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE TROLLEY MAP GOES AROUND ALL OF THOSE PARKING AREAS.
ANYONE COULD GO AND PARK IN ONE OF THOSE AREAS AND THEN BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, UM, IN YOUR DOCUMENTS.
UM, I WILL NOTE, UM, THAT THEY, THE APPLICANT HAS PUT TOGETHER A, A LITTLE MORE OF A PARKING AGREEMENT.
UH, HE HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO USE THE PARKING LOT ON ALEXANDER HAMILTON BOULEVARD HERE.
THAT'S A NEW LOT THAT SITS BESIDE THE ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, UM, OFFICE.
AND THEN HE'S ALSO MADE, HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM TO USE THEIR LARGE PARKING LOT HERE.
UM, AS THIS MAP SHOWS, THERE'S ABOUT 1400 PARKING SPACES IN YORKTOWN IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
UH, THESE AGREEMENTS, UH, SAY THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PUT UP SIGNAGE, THEY'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE DETAILS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING OUT OVER TIME, UM, TRYING TO MEET SOME OF THOSE
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REQUIREMENTS THAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING ABOUT.SO TRAFFIC IMPACT IS REDUCED A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, THE TWO RESTAURANTS HAVE STILL HAVE ABOUT 362.
WE WENT FROM 950 60 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY DOWN TO 872, UH, FOR THE NEW, NEW, UH, RESTAURANT AND, UM, EXPANSION.
SO THE PEAK HOUR IS ABOUT IN THE MORNING, OF COURSE IS NOT GONNA BE VERY HIGH.
AND THEN FOR THE EVENING, IT'S MORE AROUND THAT 82.
AND, UM, I, I TALKED WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TODAY BECAUSE AS I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, WE, WE, THE COUNTY HAS ENGAGED, UH, FIRM TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE VILLAGE.
AND I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS IF THEY HAD ANY NUMBERS YET.
AND THEY ACTUALLY DID HAVE NUMBERS FOR WATER STREET.
SO THAT 2,600 NUMBER IS FOR WATER STREET.
UM, THAT WAS WHAT THEY MEASURED AT THE PEAK TIME PERIOD, THAT JULY TIME PERIOD WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMING TO THE BEACH ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO RIGHT NOW WATER STREET IS CARRYING ABOUT 2,600 VEHICLE TRIPS A DAY.
ON THOSE PEAK TIME PERIODS WHEN IT WAS NON-PEAK, IT WAS AROUND THAT 1300, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT REED STREET KIND OF SHOWED.
SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS.
THOSE WEREN'T IN YOUR STAFF REPORT 'CAUSE I JUST GOT THEM THIS AFTERNOON AT FOUR O'CLOCK, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE IN THE PRESENTATION SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT.
SO STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
WE, WE FEEL LIKE THE VILLAGE AREA WAS CREATED, THE ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE A UNIQUE, AND THE ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH USES THAT COME IN.
AND WHAT, AND AS LONG, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THESE GENERAL AMENITIES FOR TOURISM AND, AND BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE VILLAGE, UM, THE PROPOSAL VASTLY IMPROVES.
THIS AREA TAKES IT FROM A, A GRAVEL PARKING LOT WHERE A DUMPSTER IS LOCATED RIGHT ON THE BEACH TO A VERY NICE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT WITH, UH, DESIGNATED MARKED PARKING.
UM, AND IMPROVES THE BUILDING STRUCTURE, UH, BETWEEN THE RESTAURANTS THERE, AND THEN ADDS A NICE NEW RESTAURANT TO IT.
ALSO, AGAIN, THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED WERE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT MR. GRANGER GOT AT OUR LAST HISTORIC YORKTOWN COMMITTEE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT YOU GAVE HIM INPUT ON TOO.
UM, SO WE FEEL THE CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT IN THERE PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
THERE'S CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR LIGHTING CONTROL, UH, CONDITIONS IN THERE FOR, UM, THE PARKING ARRANGEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, WE ALSO THINK THIS KIND OF LINES WELL WITH THE BOARDS, UM, DESIRE TO ENHANCE TOURISM, ESPECIALLY IN THE VILLAGE AREA.
SO THIS REALLY WORKS INTO THAT.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED HARD TO GET A PARKING AGREEMENT AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN OTHER AREAS, UM, AS THEY CAN.
SO WE AS STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND YOU HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS TO DO THAT.
PC 23 DASH 24 AND PC 23 DASH 25, 23 DASH 24 IS FOR THE EXPANSION, THE BOARDWALK.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THE RESTAURANT, NEW RESTAURANT.
SO IT'S TWO APPLICATIONS, TWO VOTES THAT YOU WOULD MAKE TONIGHT ON THOSE TWO RESOLUTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, MR. GRANGER, AND HE, HE IS PLANNING TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER? JUST A QUESTION ON THE, EXCUSE ME, THE PARKING AGREEMENT, HOW WILL THAT BE ENFORCED? UM, YOU KNOW, IS THE, THE RESTAURANT OWNER GOING TO, LET'S SAY A WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, UH, SOMEBODY'S AN ATTENDANT GONNA BE THERE, WHAT KEEPS OTHER PEOPLE FROM DOING AND THEN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE JUST NOT LET EVERYBODY ACCESS THAT LOT, NOT JUST PEOPLE GO INTO THAT SPECIFIC RESTAURANT? WELL, SPECIFICALLY THE COUNTY AGREEMENT IS FOR 25 SPACES IN THAT LOT, AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SIGNING THEM WOULD BE ON THE APPLICANT TO PUT A SIGN UP THERE.
AND HOW THEY WOULD PATROL IT, I GUESS, WOULD BE UP TO THEM.
UM, I THINK MR. GRANGER HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
SO I'LL LET HIM MAYBE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON HOW THAT WOULD BE.
DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S A, A PAID AGREEMENT IF THEN WE'RE GOING NO, NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT TO GIVE HIM A SPECIFIC SITE WHERE THE COUNTY OWNS.
YEAH, BECAUSE I, UH, LOTS, IT'S, MY THOUGHT IS THAT THAT WILL THEN BE THE ONLY RESTAURANT THAT HAS ITS OWN RESERVE PARKING DOWN THERE, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN THE, THE OTHER RESTAURANTS AT RIVERWALK ALL HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE UNDER IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE, THE STORES AND THE RESTAURANTS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ON MAIN STREET, UM, THE TWO NEW ONES THAT ARE THERE, UM, THEY ARE REALLY, THEIR PARKING IS BASICALLY ON THE ROADWAY.
THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A PARKING LOT 'CAUSE THEY'RE FEDERAL PROPERTIES ANYWAY.
UH, BUT YES, I MEAN, IN, IN IN ESSENCE, YEAH, A NEW RESTAURANT SOMEWHERE ELSE COULD, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT FROM THIS IN THE FUTURE.
I, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING ON WATER STREET ITSELF.
AND I SAW FROM THE, FROM THE PICTURES HERE, IT ALMOST MAKES MY POINT FOR ME THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM THERE.
AND I WAS, WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY, IT IS OFF DAY OR, UH, CREW SIZE TRUCKS ARE PARKED IN THERE, PEOPLE TRYING TO GO BUY IT.
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THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE DRIVING BY 'EM.AND YOUR PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE REDESIGN BOARDWALK DECK.
THERE'S A CREW CAB AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF SMALL CARS, BUT THAT CREW CAB IS WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PARKING SPOT.
ACTUALLY, THE PICTURE SHOWS THE REAR WHEELS ARE ON THE EDGE OF THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT.
SO I'M JUST, I I WOULD REITERATE, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION AND THAT AT LEAST, UH, SMALL VEHICLES, SMALL CARS, SOMETHING BE PARKED ALONG WATER STREET COMPACT ONLY TYPE PARDON? COMPACT CARS ONLY TYPE YEAH.
OTHERWISE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE TO BE A, A PROBLEM GETTING BY, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK DEMAND.
IT WON'T SAY THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM AND WON'T BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, IT'S A PROBLEM NOW AND THIS HELPS TO CLARIFY IT AND TO IMPROVE THE SITUATIONS THAT THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE JUST STILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEM, THE S EXACT SAME LOOK.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S STAFF'S OPINION, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A CONDITION THAT IT'D ONLY BE FOR CARS OR SMALL SUVS, I DON'T KNOW.
I'D HAVE TO TALK WITH OUR COUNTY OR OUR ATTORNEY TO SEE IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD ENFORCE A CONDITION ON OR NOT.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE COMPACT VEHICLE, UM, DEFINED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, BUT I MEAN, I CAN I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AND I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO PUT FORWARD AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT PUT IN OR AT LEAST HAVE IT.
AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT, LIKE THE APPLICANT, I THINK, BECAUSE IF I RECALL THE LAST HEARING YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THESE SPACES WAS BEYOND WHAT IS NORMAL.
BUT THE OTHER THING, AND I'M, I'M ALONG THE SAME LINES WITH THE RENDERING TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME TYPE OF CURB STOPS PUT.
I KNOW WE HAVE IN, IN SEVERAL PLACES THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED PARKING LOTS, EVERYBODY BACKS IN NOW, UH, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, AND ESPECIALLY TRUCKS GO INTO THE, NOW WE WE'RE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.
HE JUST REMINDED ME AT THE YMCA ON RECRUITER JUST THE OTHER DAY, UH, A CAR JUMPED OVER THE CURB, KNOCKED DOWN A SIGN AND WENT IN THE SIDE DOOR OR THE DOOR MAIN DOOR OF THE, UH, UH, NOT THE YMCA, BUT THE, UH, REHAB CENTER THAT'S THERE.
NO ONE WAS HURT, BUT IT WAS JUST A MAN, IT WAS RIGHT THERE.
AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE INSIDE THE BUILDING.
ANYWAY, ANYTHING ELSE WITHOUT THE CURB? ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.
TALKED ABOUT 25 SPACES AT THE EDA PARKING.
UM, HOW MANY AT THE WATERMAN'S DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? THEY, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER, AND THAT'S JUST MAINLY BECAUSE THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM ISN'T REALLY, THEIR PARKING SPACES AREN'T DEFINED.
UM, BUT I KNOW MR. TANNER IS HERE AND HE MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT NUMBER IS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
I KNOW IT'S A VERY LARGE PARKING AREA.
UM, BUT I, I WOULD DEFER TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAT THE AMOUNT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? OKAY.
AND THEN WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE FOR APPLICANTS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, I'M GONNA CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS HERE.
UH, AND YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES, UH, INCLUDING ANY, UH, REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, THE ARCHITECT, TOM TINGLE, IS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH US TONIGHT.
I'M GONNA, UH, TRY AND MUDDLE MY WAY THROUGH THIS.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY, UH, ADDRESSING A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD JUST NOW.
UM, AS FAR AS PARKING IN THE, UH, GOVERNMENT LOT, IT HAS NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED THAT IT WOULD BE RESERVED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE YORKTOWN PUB PATRONS.
IT WOULD BE THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE SUCH THAT IT WAS AN INVITATION TO INFORM THE PATRONS THAT THERE WAS OVERFLOW PARKING THERE.
WE WOULD, UH, WE CONTEMPLATED A NOTICE AT THE PUB AND THEN SIGNS AT THE LOT SAYING, YORKTOWN PUB PATRONS WELCOME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LOT IS POLICED IN THE EVENINGS AS IT IS, UM, BUT IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO NECESSARILY PATROL THAT LOT AND, AND ENFORCE PARKING FOR EXCLUSIVELY US, BUT RATHER AN INVITATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT IT'S OKAY TO PARK THERE WHILE THEY'RE VISITING THE PUB OR ANOTHER RESTAURANT.
UM, AS FAR AS PARKING AT THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 35 SPACES, AND THAT WOULD BE A POLICE LOT.
UH, WHEN WE WERE THERE, UM, HAVING CARS PARKED THERE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE A, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE THERE FOR THE PUB.
I THINK THE WHEEL STOPS ARE A GREAT IDEA.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE GONE WITH THESE SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, UH, DECK.
I'VE HAD LUNCH AT LARRY'S BEFORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, AND
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WATCHING A CAR PULL IN RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE I'M EATING IS VERY UNSETTLING,UH, SO HAVING IT ELEVATED, UH, TWO TO THREE FEET RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, SLATED FOR THREE FEET.
WE'VE HAD A REQUEST TO MAYBE LOWER IT A LITTLE BIT, AND I'M OPEN TO THAT.
THE GOAL IS TO TRY AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S SAFE WHILE THEY'RE HAVING LUNCH.
UM, AND IF I ALSO REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TOM TANGLE TOLD ME THAT THE SPACE IS A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE IS 16 FEET, AND OURS ARE BUDGETED FOR 18 FEET.
UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SOME SIGNAGE THAT, UH, SUGGEST COMPACT CARS OR SMALLER VEHICLES.
UM, BECAUSE WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS REALLY AN ENHANCEMENT FOR SAFETY, NOT JUST AESTHETICS.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I, I THINK, THINK MR. ANDERSON HAS DONE A VERY NICE JOB OF EXPLAINING THE PROJECT AND THE, THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE WHY OF THE PROJECT.
THE SMART MONEY STAYS AT HOME AND DOESN'T REINVEST, UH, IN THIS PROJECT.
I DON'T EXPECT TO SEE A RETURN ON IT IN MY LIFETIME, UH, REALLY.
BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT WE'VE DONE.
AND MAYBE MY DAUGHTER WHO IS HERE TODAY WILL AND MY, UH, NIECE WILL SEE THE RETURN LATER IN, IN THEIR LIFE.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE DUMPSTERS OFF WATER STREET AND CREATE A SAFE, VIBRANT AREA FOR CARS TO PARK AND PATRONS TO ENJOY THAT END OF WATER STREET.
AS MUCH AS THEY ENJOY THE OTHER END OF WATER STREET, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO ENHANCE THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AND SPECIFICALLY A PORTION OF WATER STREET THAT SEEMS TO BE STUCK.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE STUCK AND ALMOST NEGLECTED IN SOME WAYS.
THIS IS NOT A NEW PROJECT, IT'S A PROJECT THAT MY FATHER WORKED ON FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.
WE, UH, SADLY LOST HIM IN JUNE.
AND PRIOR TO HIS DEATH, HE, UH, HAD A NUMBER OF STROKES.
HE HAD A, A LARGE STROKE IN 2003, A COUPLE IN BETWEEN.
AND THEN IN 2017, HE LOST THE ABILITY TO WALK.
SO I HAD THE PLEASURE AND HONOR OF BEING ABLE TO PUSH HIM IN A WHEELCHAIR AND ESCORT HIM AROUND.
AND HE COULDN'T GO IN THE YORKTOWN PUB.
HE COULDN'T GO IN THE YORKTOWN PUB AND USE A RESTROOM.
UM, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE YORKTOWN PUB AND USE A RESTROOM, YOU'LL KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOWHERE CLOSE TO ADA ACCESSIBLE.
AND IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE, UM, RESTAURANTS AT THIS END OF THE STREET THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY, EVEN THOSE WITH DISABILITIES.
UH, COVID COVID HELPED US WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE LEARNED.
WE LEARNED OUTDOOR SEATING IS GREAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY ENJOYS OUTDOOR SEATING.
UH, PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE LUNCH MAYBE WITH THEIR PET WITH THEM.
UM, WE'VE ENJOYED THE OUTDOOR SEATING AT THE PUB, AND LARRY'S SOME AND PEOPLE WILL BRING THEIR DOG WITH THEM, AND IT'S, IT'S A NICE ENHANCEMENT.
PEOPLE CAN BRING THEIR, THEIR KIDS WITH THEM AT THE BEACH AND NOT FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT A COMPLETELY DES SAND, UM, AND THEIR KIDS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT LOUDER.
AND THIS PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY AS OPPOSED TO, SORRY, YOU'LL HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE UP THE ROAD TO MCDONALD'S.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO GO INTO THE PUB WITH SANDY KIDS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF VIBE.
IT'S A GREAT RESTAURANT, BUT IT DOESN'T OFFER THAT.
THE LAST MONTH'S PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HEARD A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERNS.
WE TOOK THIS LAST MONTH TO MEET WITH INDIVIDUALS, GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
UM, I RECEIVED FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL, FACEBOOK, AND OVER THE PHONE.
WE TRIED TO ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AND EMBRACE THEM AND INCLUDE THEIR CHANGES, UH, WHENEVER IT WAS PRACTICAL AND POSSIBLE.
IN THIS PROJECT, I FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT REALLY ACCOMPLISHES A NUMBER OF THINGS, SOME OF WHICH ARE THE PRESERVATION OF THE YORKTOWN PUB AND THE VIBE AND THE FEEL OF THAT.
PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST PUT ADA BATHROOMS IN THE PUB? WHY DON'T YOU JUST EXPAND THE PUB? IT'S NOT PRACTICAL FROM A BUILDING CODE STANDPOINT STANDPOINT, TO TRY AND MODIFY THE YORKTOWN PUB.
ONCE YOU OPEN THAT CAN, YOU'VE GOTTA BRING IT ALL UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD, ACCORDING TO MANY PEOPLE, DESTROY THE CHARACTER AND THE CHARM OF THE YORKTOWN PUB.
IT'S A LANDMARK BUSINESS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE IT A BUSINESS WHERE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES CAN GO TO THE RESTROOM WHERE THEY CAN GET IN AND NOT FEEL LIKE A SECONDARY CITIZEN.
SO HAVING THIS DECK, WHICH WILL PROVIDE TWO ADA BATHROOMS AND ADA ACCESSIBILITY THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PUB, RIGHT NEXT TO LARRY'S ACCOMPLISHES THAT WE ALSO, UM, PROVIDE A SAFE SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF WATER STREET.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE WALKING FROM THE DUKE OF YORK DOWN TO THE PUB, YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF A CONGESTED PARKING LOT THAT IS VERY HODGEPODGE.
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BUT ALSO REMOVES TWO UNSIGHTLY DUMPSTERS FROM THE MIDDLE OF WATER STREET.UM, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO 'EM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE 'EM BEAUTIFUL.
WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.
WE'VE COME UP WITH A VARIETY OF DINING OPTIONS.
WE'RE GONNA HIT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.
THEY WILL LIKELY BE ALL, UM, OPERATED BY THE SAME, UH, RESTAURATEUR RICK AND DEAN, WHO HAVE BEEN OPERATING THE PUB FOR YEARS.
BUT THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS FOR THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PEOPLE AND THE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PATRONS WHO WOULD VISIT THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'LL GO FROM, I DON'T KNOW, UH, PIZZA AND SUBS TO NICE SEAFOOD AT THE PUB TO MAYBE A WHITE TABLECLOTH IN THE OTHER RESTAURANT, BUT YOU'RE HITTING THE DIFFERENT SPECTRUMS AND THEY'RE COMPLIMENTING EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER IN AN ADVERSARIAL FASHION.
SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS ENHANCE THE AESTHETICS, CREATE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR WALKING SEATING AND ENJOYING WATER STREET.
WHEN I WAS HERE LAST, I, I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKING, CAN YOU GIVE ME A WAY TO SAY YES? CAN YOU GIVE US A PATH FORWARD? I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT THROUGH THE MEETINGS, THROUGH EMBRACING THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD PROJECT, AND IT'S NOT JUST A PROJECT THAT I'M TRYING TO GET DONE, IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
UH, AND NEXT WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR, UH, SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP AGAIN TO REMIND YOU THAT WHEN WE CALL YOU FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON.
THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO WRAP IT UP.
AND WE ASK FOR YOU TO PLEASE RESPECT THE RED LIGHT, UH, AND STOP FOR, UH, ALL THE SPEAKERS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, FIRST UP, I HAVE, UH, RICK TANNER.
SIR JOHN WAY, SEAFORD, VIRGINIA COMMISSION MEMBERS.
I HAVE CO-OWNED THE YORKTOWN PUB FOR THE LAST 24 YEARS.
WHEN I FIRST BECAME THE PURVEYOR, I WAS REPEATEDLY ASKED, WHAT'S GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING? WE QUESTION.
WE FIELD IT ALL THE TIME, AND WE ASSURED THEM THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, ONLY ENHANCEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST 24 YEARS.
WE'VE ADDED A BOOTH, TAKEN OUT SOME GAMING TABLES, SOME INNER AMUSEMENT GAMES, GUMBALL MACHINE, AND AN OLD LIGHTS CHEST, AND IMPROVED THE CEILING.
BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE'VE DONE.
IT'S NICE, WARM, COZY FEEL, AND WE'VE TRIED TO IMPROVE THE FOOD, THE SERVICE, AND THE ATMOSPHERE.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
THE PUB IS ALMOST, IF I DARE SAY A YORKTOWN I OR YORK COUNTY ICON.
IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1956 AND, AND IT'S BEEN CALLED THE YORKTOWN PUB SINCE 1987.
THAT'S 35 YEARS WORTH OF OPERATIONS.
UM, YOU DON'T CHANGE WHAT'S WORKING.
AND IT WAS WORKING WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
IT'S STILL WORKING TODAY SINCE THEN.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE JUST TRIED TO DO.
THE PUB WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE SAME WARM, COZY ENVIRONMENT.
THE PANDEMIC WAS A DIFFICULT TIME DURING COVID, THE COUNTY GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED THE PUB TO ERECT A TENT FOR OUTDOOR DINING.
IT HAS BEEN POPULAR, AND WE HAVE BEEN GRANTED TWO EXTENSIONS THAT RUN UNTIL APRIL 30TH, 2024.
THE PROPOSED BOARDWALK WILL BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO FILL WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY OUR CUSTOMERS.
ADDITIONALLY, WE JUST DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH SEATING FOR THE PUBLIC ITSELF.
ADDING ANOTHER FACILITY WILL ALLOW US TO MEET THAT NEED.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DESIGN COMMITTEE AND MR. GRANGER ASKED ALL IN ATTENDANCE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE PROPERTY.
HE SINCERELY LISTENED TO EVERY OPINION AND THEN CHANGED THE DESIGN AT HIS EXPENSE.
I BELIEVE HE SINCERELY WANTS WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNTY AND THE WATERFRONT AS A WHOLE.
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BOTH THE RESTAURANT AND DECK HAD BEEN CHANGED TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEIGHBOR'S VISION.WITH INCREASED SEATING COMES THE NEED FOR INCREASED PARKING.
THE COUNTY HAS GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED US AN ADDITIONAL 25 SPOTS OFF ALEXANDER HAMILTON AFTER 5:00 PM WE HAVE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPLE WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM FOR ANOTHER 35 SPOTS.
OUR PARKING CAPACITY OF VALET SERVICE IS NOW FEASIBLE.
IN CONCLUSION, I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER LAND USE FOR THE PROPERTY MORE THAN ENHANCED DINING.
THIS COMES WITH PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND IMPROVES THE PROPERTY AND THE WATERFRONT AS A WHOLE.
OKAY, NEXT I HAVE, UH, DEAN AND I WILL NOT TRY TO, YOU'LL FORGIVE ME FOR NOT TRYING URA TOMA TOMAS
HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? I'M, UH, DEAN URAS 3 0 7 DANIELS DRIVE.
UM, I'M ONE OF THE PARTNERS AT THE PUB AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'VE GOT SEVERAL PROJECTS GOING ON AROUND THE AREA, AND THIS IS MY NUMBER ONE, UH, ATTENTION GETTER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS PLACE SING.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR ACCOUNT PROUD.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THE THING THAT WE DID AT THE PUB WAS WE HELPED CREATE A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE, VISITOR ATMOSPHERE, LOCAL ATMOSPHERE WITH FRESH, UH, FRESH FOOD, AND A CLEAN ATMOSPHERE.
I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE PUB A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND I THINK THIS OUTDOOR DINING IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH, WITH COVID, UM, IT'S THE NEW FRONTIER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE NEW WAVE.
IT'S, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE TRIED THIS PROJECT A FEW YEARS AGO, BEING YOUR FATHER, AND WE GOT TO A POINT, UM, BUT JUST THINGS JUST, YOU KNOW, FELL APART.
UH, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND, UH, I'M GONNA PERSONALLY TAKE CARE OF THIS PLACE, UH, WITH MY PARTNER, RICK.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO DO A NICE JOB, OKAY? OKAY.
I HAVE LIVED IN YORK COUNTY MY ENTIRE LIFE.
UH, I HAVE, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE LIVED IN YORK COUNTY MY ENTIRE LIFE.
UH, I HAVE WORKED FOR THE YORK COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE YORKTOWN PUB.
UH, WHEN YOU THINK OF YORK COUNTY AND YORKTOWN BEACH, YOU THINK ABOUT THE PUB.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS RESTAURANTS AND PLACES TO VISIT ON THIS ENTIRE PENINSULA.
UH, THEY'RE ONE OF THE OLDEST OPERATING RESTAURANTS IN THE COUNTY.
UH, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, THEY HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STORMS AND REPAIRING THE OLD BUILDING FOREVER.
UH, IT'S TIME TO SUPPORT THEM AND A NEW STRUCTURE.
IT'S TIME TO MAKE A WISE INVESTMENT, UH, FOR THE BEACH THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT OUR ECONOMY.
AND, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE THIS EVENING, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT PARKING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO OFF SCRIPT TO TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SUN BATHERS OR FISHERMEN AT NIGHTTIME.
UM, SO IT'S RESTAURANT PARKING, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT VISITORS.
I MEAN, PARKING SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT NIGHTTIME.
UH, AND ALSO THE WINTER MONTHS, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UH, SUN BATHERS OR FISHERMEN OR A LOT OF, UH, TOURISTS IN THE WINTER MONTHS.
SO I'M REALLY NOT SEEING WHERE PARKING SHOULD BE A HUGE, IN A, A HUGE FACTOR.
UM, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF MONTHS DURING THE SUMMERTIME WHERE PARKING IS AN ISSUE.
UH, AND WITH THAT, YOU DO HAVE THE TROLLEY SYSTEM.
SO I DON'T THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD LET PARKING, UH, YOU KNOW, DERAIL THIS PROJECT.
I LIVE AT 3 0 2 MAR BANK DRIVE IN YORKTOWN.
UM, I WANTED TO SIT TO SPEAK TO THIS PARKING COMMENTARY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE DRIVEN AROUND IN CIRCLES
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OR IN THE EVENINGS.I SIT WITH MY KIDS ON THE BEACH AND I WATCH THE PEOPLE MAKING THE LAPS, AND THEY LEAVE AND THEN THEY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY TOOK THEIR MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THAT AREA CONSTANTLY.
WELL, I THINK THEY SAID LIKE 2,600 PEOPLE.
THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF MONEY WANDERING OFF BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO BE.
AND I LOVE WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THE SANDY KID.
I THINK I SAID THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
I HATE TAKING MY SANDY KIDS INTO THE PUB.
I'D SO MUCH RATHER SIT OUT THERE WITH THEM.
I REALLY DON'T LIKE THE WAY THE PARKING IS NOW.
I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE GARBAGE.
AND NO ONE ELSE IS STANDING UP AND SAYING, LET'S DO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND WE'RE PUTTING THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON A PRIVATE, ON A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
ULTIMATELY, THIS IS A PRIVATE, SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND IT'S A COUNTY PROBLEM IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING, AND WE DO, I NAILED ONE OF THOSE, DAMN, EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE.
I NAILED ONE OF THOSE STUPID CRUISE LINE VANS THIS WEEK BECAUSE THE TROLLEY CUT ME OFF, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARKING AT THE PUB.
WE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH PARKING IN THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.
I CAN'T SEE HOW PUTTING PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE BIGGER THAN WHAT ARE REQUIRED IS GONNA MAKE IT ANY WORSE OR HERE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AS THE STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA.
I, I'M KIND OF SAD THAT EVERYBODY WIND AND FUSSED AND DIDN'T LIKE THE OLD THE FIRST DESIGN.
'CAUSE I LIKED IT BETTER THAN THIS ONE.
BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH AN OPINION, WHICH IS ALL RIGHT.
UM, I, I REALLY, I, I HEARD THE THING ABOUT THE COMPACT CARS.
18 FOOT PARKING SPACES AREN'T GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT IF YOU LEGISL, IF YOU FORCE A LEGISLATION THAT HAS TO BE COMPACT CARS, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH RULING OUT EVERYBODY.
AND NOW, NOW YOU'RE MAKING IT INACCESSIBLE AGAIN.
WHEN, IF THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN PUT 18 FOOT PARKING SPACES, THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO PARK IN THERE STRAIGHT WITH PARKING LINES.
I, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
SO THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
UH, NEXT I HAVE A MATT BOEY, THAT BOWIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I LIVE AT 5 0 8 WATER STREET, AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE YORKTOWN BEACH HOTEL.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY OVERALL SUPPORT.
THE CHANGES BEING CONTEMPLATED BY THE OWNERS OF THE YORKTOWN PUB IS MY OPINION THAT THE REIMAGINE YORKTOWN PUB WILL PROVIDE A MORE WELCOMING AND FAMILY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR LOCAL AND OUT OF TOWN GUESTS.
AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER ON THE WATERFRONT, I'M INTIMATELY AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES OF PARKING AND VEHICULAR CONGESTION.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH RICK AND BELIEVE THAT HE HAS A WORK WELL PLAN TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE PLAGUED OUR END OF WATER STREET.
I ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONCERNS IN SOME RESIDENTS MAY HAVE ABOUT CHANGES TO THE WATERFRONT.
HOWEVER, I'M CONVINCED THAT RICK DEAN AND GREG WILL CONTINUE TO BE TREMENDOUS STEWARDS OF ARGUABLY THE COUNTY'S MOST VALUABLE ASSET ARE WATERFRONT.
UH, NEXT I HAVE JOHN WHEATLEY.
I LIVE AT 1 99 STONY RIDGE COURT IN NEW NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
I'VE BEEN GOING TO, UH, YORKTOWN EVER SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID.
IT WAS WAY CLOSE IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND HAD A WHOLE LOT LESS TRAFFIC.
UM, THE ONE THING ABOUT THIS END OF THE, UM, THE PARKING DOWN HERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MINIMAL.
UM, WHEN THEY BUILT THE OTHER END, THEY PUT IN A HUGE PARKING GARAGE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ONE THING IS, UM, THE FOCUS WAS TAKEN OFF AND SITTING DOWN THERE, THIS IS GONNA BRING THE FOCUS EVENLY.
UM, THERE'LL BE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COME DOWN HERE AND THEY DON'T WANNA WAIT IN LINE AND THEY LEAVE.
THIS IS GONNA EXPAND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO MAKE, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, 4TH OF JULY IS GONNA BE A HUGE BULL, AND THIS IS A REALLY NICE PLACE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT THEY'VE PRESENTED IT, IT LOOKS REALLY WELL.
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YEAH, MY NAME IS RED MU AND, UH, MY ANCESTORS LANDED IN JAMESTOWN IN 1620.SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A LITTLE, LITTLE WHILE.
AND ACTUALLY MY ANCESTORS WERE THE FOUNDER OF YORKTOWN.
AND, UH, I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF WHAT THEY GOT PLANNED IN THE PROPOSAL AND ALL THAT.
AND IF Y'ALL ARE WORRIED ABOUT PARKING, IT'S LIKE WHEN THEY HAVE EVENTS DOWN THERE, SOMEBODY AL SOMEBODY ALWAYS FINDS AWA PLACE TO PARK, TO GO DOWN TO YORKTOWN, TO ALL OF THE EVENTS, THE MUSIC, AND THE, THE, UH, EVERY, ALL EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE.
AND WITH THE, AND ALL THAT STUFF, I THINK IS A VERY GOOD IDEA AND A VERY GOOD PROPOSAL.
OH YEAH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 5 BURGESS STREET, B-U-R-G-E-S IN WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
UH, NEXT HAVE CHRIS, UH, ETHERIDGE.
I LIVE AT 3 0 2 MAR LAKE DRIVE.
UM, I THINK IT'S A, I'VE LIVED IN YORKTOWN ALL MY LIFE.
USED TO RIDE A BIKE, MY BIKE DOWN TO YORKTOWN FROM EDGE HILL, WHICH CAN'T REALLY LET KIDS DO STUFF LIKE THAT ANYMORE, BUT I USED TO DO IT.
UM, I GOT, I LIKE TO THINK IN FACTS AND, UM, I LOOKED UP, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THE, THE, I, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES.
UH, THE NORMAL VDOT PARKING SPACES, I THINK I HEARD WAS 16 FEET.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA PUT 18 FEET PARKING SPACES IN THERE.
AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT IS LIKE THE AVERAGE SIZE TRUCK? AND I LOOKED IT UP, UH, A CREW CAB F TWO 50 IS 209 INCHES LONG, WHICH IS 17.4 FEET.
SO I THINK THE 18 FOOT PARKING SPACE COVERS A TRUCK LIKE YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE.
SO, UM, MAYBE THE RENDERING IS A LITTLE BIT OFF THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING THAT UP.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GRAVEL AND THE CORNERS AND STUFF DOWN THERE, IT'S A HODGEPODGE RIGHT NOW.
UH, PEOPLE, THERE'S NOT REALLY CLEAR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PARK, CLEAR PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WALK.
UM, AND I THINK THIS, THIS ADDS A LOT OF, A LOT OF STRUCTURE TO, TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WHILE THEY'RE DOWN THERE.
UM, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER SEEING A SPEED LIMIT SIGN DOWN ON WATER STREET.
AND I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY, I CAN'T REALLY DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT DRIVING, SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING 25 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH THAT WATER STREET ANYWAY.
MOST PEOPLE, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHAT I'VE SEEN, THEY GET DOWN ON WATER STREET, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF CRUISING AND LOOKING AROUND ANYWAY, RIGHT? UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS A, A, A PERFECT STREET TO JUST DRIVE THROUGH, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE DOING THAT ANYWAY.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS, THIS, THE, UH, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE OWNER OF THE RESTAURANT HAVE, HAVE REALLY GONE THE EXTRA MILE TO SHOW THAT THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOUR TOWN.
SO THANKS FOR LETTING ME SHARE.
I'M DAVID RIDGE, UH, 7 0 2 MAIN STREET.
I'M THE THIRD GENERATION THAT GREW UP IN THAT HOUSE.
UM, I CAME TO THE MEETING LAST MONTH, UM, WITH, AND I LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AND I HAD SOME CONCERNS, BUT I DIDN'T SPEAK.
I JUST LISTENED TO THE CITIZEN COMMENT AND ALL YOUR DISCUSSION, AND IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
AND I WAS QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU TABLED IT AND YOU ASKED, UH, MR. GRANGER AND THE ARCHITECT TO GO BACK.
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I CAME OUT WHEN I SAW THE NEW, UH, PRESENTATION OF THIS, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT THAT I JUST REALIZED THAT MR. GRANGER AND HIS ARCHITECT ALSO LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY.
AND THEY ARE, I'VE KNOWN, UH, GREG GRANGER FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
I'VE MET HIS FATHER AND I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR OVER 50 YEARS.
UH, I WAS IN WILLIAMSBURG FOR 31 YEARS.
YOU'VE GOT AN OUTSTANDING GENTLEMAN AND AN HONEST AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AND A COMMUNITY MAN.
I'VE KNOWN BEAN FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.
AND THEY ARE NOT AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY.
YOU'VE GOT A RESTAURANT WITH A TRACK RECORD AND THESE GUYS DO A GOOD JOB.
I'M, I COULD ALMOST GIVE YOU THE MENU.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I JUST AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH THIS.
I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR WATER STREET.
AND I, UH, MY OWN HORNSBY HOUSE IN, WE'VE HAD 21,000 GUESTS IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.
I BET YOU I'VE SENT 15,000 GUESTS DOWN AT THE, TO THE YORKTOWN PUB AND I'VE NOT HAD ANY BAD REPORTS.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF FOR MR. GRAN.
UH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAVE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT DID NOT FILL OUT A FORM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JUSTIN TON AND I LIVE AT NINE 40 TAB LAKE DRIVE, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE YORKTOWN PUB FOR OVER SIX YEARS.
UH, USUALLY JUST COME IN AND WORKING FOR THE SUMMER PART OF THE YEAR.
AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, UH, TROUBLE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO PARK STRAIGHT OR NOT PARK PERFECTLY, DIAGONALLY AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE.
TAKEN UP TWO TO THREE SPOTS,
IT USED TO BE OR CURRENTLY IS, UH, SO DEEP THAT SOME PEOPLE OFTEN PARK BEHIND EACH OTHER.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
HAVING TO COME OUT OF THE RESTAURANT AND FIND SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW BLOCKING YOU IN, IT COULD BE QUITE UNPLEASANT.
SO I THINK LOOKING AT ALL THESE CHANGES, HAVING THE PAVED PARKING LOT IS A BIG THING FOR ME AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT.
MY NAME IS STEVE ORMSBY, O-R-M-S-B-Y.
I LIVE AT 9 0 3 9 LADY LANE IN HAYES, VIRGINIA.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE WATER PITS MUSEUM.
SO I JUST WANT TO, UH, SAY I, OUR BOARD VOTED ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD FREE UP PARKING FOR THE, FOR THE PUB, AND IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT.
I'M JOHN MCPHERSON, PRESIDENT OF THE YORKTOWN INDUSTRIES 7 0 2 0 1 ROUTE 17.
I'VE BEEN COMING, I WAS BORN COME TO YORKTOWN IN 1949 WHEN THE RESTAURANT WAS CALLED GUUS BACK THEN, IT WAS MUCH DIFFERENT THEN.
BUT ANYWAY, WHEN I VISITED AROUND THE COUNTRY, I SAY, I'M FROM YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
I EXPECT THEM TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR ENDED.
WELL, YEARS AGO WHEN THAT COMMENT WAS ANSWERED, THEY SAY, NEXT ILIAN, NEXT SEAFOOD PAVILION'S STILL THERE? I SAID, YEAH, IT'S STILL THERE.
THIS IS THE BACKYARD BEFORE 98.
BUT, SO NOW THAT WAS MADE YORKTOWN FAMOUS.
NOW I THINK IT'S YORKTOWN PUB IS MAKE YORKTOWN FAMOUS.
WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS SOMEBODY YORKTOWN, I SAY, IS THE PUB STILL THERE OR CAN WE GET STILL GO TO THE PUB? AND I SAID, YEAH, IT'S STILL THERE, THANK GOODNESS.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE HAVING A RENDERING AT, UH, MONETIZATION.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN UP IN A, IN A FEW WEEKS.
SO I SUPPORT THE, UH, IDEA OF IMPROVING WATER STREET AND I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
THERE SOMEBODY ELSE, MA'AM, COME FORWARD.
HELLO, MY NAME IS GRACE GRANGER.
I LIVE AT THREE 19 MILL NECK ROAD.
UH, CLEARLY MY FATHER IS GREG GRANGER.
I AM A THIRD GENERATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF RAISING MY FUTURE CHILDREN AT THIS WONDERFUL ESTABLISHMENT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE ENHANCEMENT THAT IT WILL BRING TO THE WATERFRONT.
IT IS A PLACE THAT I HAVE GROWN UP IN AND HAVE THOROUGHLY ENJOYED, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY OF CONTINUING TO ENJOY IT AND
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BRINGING MORE OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT BOTH LIVE IN THIS AREA AND LIVE OUTSIDE OF IT TO SEE ALL THAT YORKTOWN HAS TO OFFER.ANY OTHERS, MA'AM? HELLO, MY NAME IS EVE ROGERS.
UH, I LIVE AT 3 0 2 HARRISON AVENUE.
UM, I AM GREG RANGER'S NIECE FOR FULL DISCLOSURE.
UM, BUT I ALSO HAVE A SISTER WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR.
AND WHEN SHE COMES HOME TO VISIT, WE HAVE LIMITED OPTIONS.
UM, SHE HAS A POWER CHAIR, SO LIKE A HILL ISN'T REALLY A BIG PROBLEM, BUT FINDING SOMEWHERE WITH AN ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM AND ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE IS A BIG PROBLEM.
UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF US DON'T REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, I MYSELF WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND IT BECAME SO MUCH MORE OF A BIG ISSUE THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
UM, YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT A SMALL STEP WHEN YOU CAN WALK.
UM, AND SO THE IDEA THAT SHE COULD COME BACK AND VISIT AND SHE COULD COME ENJOY AN OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN A BATHROOM SHE COULD USE AT THE YORKTOWN PUB, I MEAN, THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT THE PARKING ISSUE IS PROBABLY ALWAYS, AS FAR AS I'VE SEEN, GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
IT'S A POPULAR PLACE AND IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THINGS.
UM, BUT THIS PRESENTS A SOLUTION TO THAT THAT I DON'T THINK WAS THERE BEFORE WITH PARKING STRAIGHT VERSUS WILLING NILLY.
UM, BUT ALSO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE USING MOBILITY AIDS TO HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO.
UM, AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WEIGHTED JUST AS HEAVY AS MAYBE WALKING A LITTLE BIT EXTRA FOR PARKING.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN, PLEASE? I'M SORRY.
UH, IF IT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS, WE HAVE SIGNED UP.
UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN A DISCUSSION FOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT COMMENTS TONIGHT AND LAST MONTH.
THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS AND THINGS.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD LAND USE, BUT PART OF LAND USE AND WHAT WE TRY TO GET RIGHT, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE UTILITIES, OUR ELECTRIC SEWER AND THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALL THIS WORKS.
AND PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION IS THE, IS THE PARKING.
UH, AND THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE WAS, WAS PARKING OUT THAT I, WE ALSO DID A LITTLE MATH UP HERE A WHILE AGO, AND WE FOUND OUT THAT CREW CABS OR EXTENDED CABS WERE ABOUT 19, 20 FEET LONG.
AND SO WHEN YOU PULL 'EM UP TO THE FRONT OF A PARKING THAT'S 18, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO INCHES, TWO FEET RATHER STICKING OUT INTO THE, INTO THE YARD, INTO THE DRIVE, INTO THE ROADWAY.
SO, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE MUCH, IT IS LIKE THAT, BUT IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY THAT EVEN AT 15 MILES AN HOUR, IT CAN, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO PASS EACH OTHER AT 15 MILES AN HOUR WITH THE TRUCK STICKING OUT IN YOUR ONE, IT BECOMES A HAZARD.
AND PART OF THIS COMMISSION IS TRYING TO REDUCE THE HAZARD, MINIMIZE THE HAZARDS THAT'S GOING ON.
SO, UH, I LOVE THE CHANGES IN THE ELEVATION, ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION, BY THE WAY.
I THINK IT LOOKS, UH, SOME PEOPLE LAST MONTH MENTIONED A IHOP TYPE OF BLUE CEILING AND STUFF.
AND I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN TAKEN CARE OF AND IS VERY GOOD RENDERING.
OKAY, WARD, UH, I'LL BUILD ON THAT CASE.
UH, I HAD LOOKED AT STANDARD LENGTH OF A NORMAL NORTH AMERICAN VEHICLE, AND THEY'RE ABOUT 16 FEET.
UH, SO EVERYTHING EXCEPT AN EXTENDED CAB WORKS PRETTY WELL IN THAT SPOT.
UH, AAF ONE 50 IS ALREADY MENTIONED IS, IS 17 AND A HALF FEET.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY AVOID COMPACT CARS ONLY IN THAT LOCATION, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THE VERY LONG TRUCKS.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
I THINK IT, IT MEETS THE INTENT OF, UH, BEAUTIFYING THAT AREA.
I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE, UH, SPEAKERS TO TODAY, JUST HOW MUCH IT'S VALUED AND HOW MUCH THE YORKTOWN PUB MEANS TO THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I THINK THERE'S, UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE ISSUE THAT I RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING AND, AND I KNOW WE HAVE IT IN OUR ORDINANCES, BUT THE BLUFF IS PROBABLY THE MOST HISTORIC AREA OF THE, UH, WAR OF INDEPENDENCE.
AND I, I THINK AS WE DO THE ARCHEOLOGY STUDY, WE REALLY NEED TO BE CAREFUL AND SEE WHAT IT, WHAT IS THERE AND IS THERE ANYTHING OF VALUE THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE AND, UH, JUST TAKE OUR TIME DOING THAT.
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I JUST WANT TO REALLY THANK ALL THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE COME OUT.UM, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS WELL GOING TO BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE CITIZENS, AND THAT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LISTEN AND, UM, PROCEED ALONG THOSE LINES.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT MR. GRANGER WENT BACK AND DID SO MUCH WORK.
I DON'T THINK IT DETRACTS, I DON'T THINK IT, UM, DISTURBS THE HISTORY AND I'M ALL FOR IT.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAST MEETING AND THIS MEETING.
LAST MEETING, EVERYBODY CAME WITH, UH, IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS, AND WE NEED TO IMPROVE THIS.
AND MY GOD, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY DID.
THEY CAME BACK, THEY LISTENED, THEY PAID ATTENTION.
THEY'VE, UM, ADDRESSED WHAT'S GONNA BE A, UH, A VERY NICE PROJECT.
UM, I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING IS FROM THE LENGTH OF THE, UM, TRUCKS.
I THINK THE, UH, BEING A CONTRACTOR AND BEING AROUND PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO BE VERY PROUD OF THEIR LONG TRUCKS,
BUT I WOULD BE AGAINST TRYING TO LIMIT IT TO COMPACT VEHICLES, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE, UH, EXTRA TWO FOOT FEET THEY'VE ALREADY ADDED.
BUT, UM, AND I'VE ALSO RECENTLY TRAVELED UP NORTH AND VISITED A LOT OF, UH, LITTLE, UH, SEASIDE TOWNS.
AND MOST OF THEM HAD THE SAME KIND OF PARKING ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE MADE FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND YOU WALKED A LITTLE FURTHER TO GET WHERE YOU NEEDED TO BE.
AND, AND IT WORKED AND IT ADDED TO THE CHARM.
AND I WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK AND, UH, AGREED, EVERYBODY COMING OUT AND SPEAKING LAST TIME AND, YOU KNOW, THANK, THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN AND, AND TO HELP MAKE IT A BETTER, UH, BETTER PLACE.
AND, UH, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING I WITH YOU AS WELL AS NOT LIMITING THE PARKING, UH, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, UH, THANKS FOR, FOR, UH, YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I, I, I WOULD ECHO THAT, UH, MY COLLEAGUES EXIST.
YEAH, THEY'VE HIT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOU SAID, WE, WE HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO FROM THE LAST TIME, UH, THAT WE MET ON THIS TOPIC TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, I THINK IS, IS A MODEL OF HOW THIS PROCESS SHOULD WORK.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE HISTORIC, UM, UH, COMMITTEE HAS STEERED THIS IN THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT IT, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PRESERVE, UH, OUR DOWNTOWN AND OUR, OUR, UH, WATERFRONT AREA.
UH, I THINK THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROOF OVER THE, UM, FOR NOISE ATTENUATION IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT AS WELL.
UH, AND I JUST, THE WAY THAT YOU FLUSHED OUT CHALLENGES AND ISSUES AND ADDRESS THEM, I, I THINK REALLY LEANS ME TOWARD, UH, THE FULL SUPPORT OF THIS, UM, OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE? I MOVE THAT WE, UH, UH, APPROVED PC 2324 FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE OUTDOOR DINING.
SO IT'D BE 23 FIRST, RIGHT? 23, 24.
THE MOTION BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 23 DASH 24 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A-Y-M-V-A ACTIVITY APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPANSION OF AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA BETWEEN 5 24 THROUGH 5 28 WATER STREET.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE SECOND.
SO I ALSO, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, MOVE RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 2325 FOR ACCEPTANCE.
MOTION BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER PCA 23 DASH 25 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AYVA APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW RESTAURANT AT FIVE 40 WATER STREET.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT AND TAKING YOUR TIME THIS EVENING TO, UH, TO JOIN US IN THIS IMPORTANT PROCESS.
UH, WE'LL GIVE THE, GIVE 'EM A COUPLE MINUTES TO CLEAR UP AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT APPLICATION.
IS, IS IT SOMETHING WE SAID
IS EVERYBODY GOING TO THE PUB?
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I THINK.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU INVITE US DOWN AFTER WE NEED OKAY.
IF WE CAN ASK YOU TO PLEASE AD UH, TO ADJOURN OUTSIDE PLEASE.
WE STILL GOTTA HAVE ANOTHER NON, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
KATE, TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION, PLEASE.
[Application No. UP-1024-23, Panda Express, Inc.: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 11, No. 14) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a fast-food restaurant with a drive-through window located at 6632 Mooretown Road (Route 603). The 1.1- acre property (GPIN C19c-0343-1562) is zoned EO (Economic Opportunity) and is designated Economic Opportunity in the Comprehensive Plan.]
I'LL BE PRESENTING APPLICATION UP, UH, 1024 DASH 23.IT'S, UH, LADIES, AND IF WE CAN ASK YOU TO PLEASE STEP OUTSIDE SO WE CAN CONTINUE ON WITH OUR BUSINESS TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, UH, THIS IS FOR, UH, PANDA EXPRESS.
IT'S A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW AT 6 6 3 2 MOTOWN ROAD SHOWN HERE IN RED.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA ALONG THE MOTOWN ROAD CORRIDOR IS ALL EO OR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AND THE SHOPPING CENTER HERE, UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW AND YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING USES, UM, TO THE NORTH, UM, USE, THAT'S NOT IN THIS AERIAL PICTURE, BUT IS THERE NOW, UM, IS THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA RIGHT HERE ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN TO THE, UM, EAST IS THE VICTORY VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH HAS LIKE THE BIG LOTS, UM, SOME OUT PARCELS OF TROPICAL SMOOTHIE, MEXICAN RESTAURANT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO THE SOUTH ARE VACANT.
THEY ARE UNDEVELOPED PARCELS HERE, OUT PARCELS FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN ACROSS MOTOWN ROAD IS THE, UH, RIVERSIDE, UM, I'M SORRY, NOT THE RIVERSIDE, THE SENTARA WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER, UM, HERE IN THIS BIG LOOP AREA RIGHT THERE, THE HOSPITAL AND PANDA EXPRESS HAS SUBMITTED THIS, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS, UH, STANDING ON MOTOWN ROAD.
UH, SO MOTOWN ROAD IS OFF ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UH, THE PARCEL THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION IS ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE TREES.
I WANTED TO SHOW THIS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A, A GREEN BELT AREA HERE.
IF I WERE TO MOVE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, YOU'D SEE THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA AND THEN THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE OTHER TWO BUSINESSES ALONG WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN IN FRONT OF THE HOME DEPOT.
AND THEN I WENT, UM, I JUST WALKED DOWN TO THE TIDAL WAVE SITE AND I'M STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LINE FOR TIDAL WAVE LOOKING DIRECTLY ACROSS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE VICTORY VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY IS THERE.
UH, THE GREENVALE BUFFER STARTS THERE WITH THAT PINE TREE THAT'S STICKING OUT, UM, AND THEN GOES FURTHER DOWN, WHICH, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T GET A VERY GOOD PICTURE OF, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, UH, FAST FEW RESTAURANTS REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UNLIKE SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS, AND THE BOARD HAS APPROVED SEVERAL UP IN THIS AREA.
UM, ALL OF THOSE ARE LISTED THERE ON THE, UH, ON THE SLIDE FOR YOU.
THIS IS THE SKETCH PLAN THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE PROVIDED.
THEY'LL HAVE ENTRANCES ON, UH, WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, NO ACCESS OUT ONTO MOTOWN ROAD ITSELF.
UM, THEY WILL HAVE A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH, THROUGH, UM, THE AREA WITH PARKING SITTING UP.
THE BUILDING WILL SIT CLOSER TO MOTOWN ROAD, AND THEY'RE PRESERVING A GOOD PORTION.
I WOULD SAY 90% OF THE, OR 95% OF THE, UH, OF THE GREEN BELT BUFFER.
THEY'RE ENCROACHING A SLIGHT AMOUNT.
AND I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND.
TRAFFIC FOR THIS SITE, UM, FOR 2,600 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, THE, UM, IT, THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, IT TRIP GENERATION MANUAL SHOWS THAT, UH, THIS KIND OF USE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 1200 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THEY WILL HAVE ABOUT IN THE EVENING, WHICH IS THE PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS, ABOUT 86 TRIPS.
UH, VDOT DID REVIEW THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THE APPLICANTS DID USE STANDARDS THAT VDOT HAS FOR THIS.
AND, UH, THOSE STANDARDS ALLOW 55% PASS BY TRIPS.
SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY GOING BY.
UM, AND SO THE TRA THEY COUNTED THIS MUCH TRAFFIC INTO, UM, THEIR ANALYSIS.
UH, THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER, UH, WAS DEVELOPED, UM, PREVIOUSLY AND WHEN THIS WAS DONE, UH, THEY HAD AN OVERALL TRAFFIC IMPACT FOR THE WHOLE SITE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME UNDEVELOPED PARCELS HERE.
AND SO THEY AREN'T REALLY MEETING THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE FULL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THAT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DID.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THEY DID PUT IN CERTAIN, UH, PROJECTS.
UM, UH, THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR WILL HAVE ACCESS, AS I SAID, ON THE INTERIOR ROADS OF THERE.
UH, BUT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE ON MORE TOWN ROADS.
SO THERE ARE LIGHTS, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, SIGNAL LIGHTS THAT THESE TWO LOCATIONS SHOWN IN THE BIGGER RED CIRCLES.
UM, AND THERE'S ENTRANCES TURN, UH, TURN LANES AND, AND SO FORTH THERE.
THEY WERE ALL PROVIDED IN THAT ORIGINAL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
AND THIS, THIS PRO, THIS FAST FOOD RESTAURANT FITS WITHIN THAT TRAFFIC
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ANALYSIS FOR THAT, FOR THE WHOLE SITE.AS I SAID, UM, MOTOWN ROAD IS A GREEN BELT BUFFER ROAD, AND SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO NOT TOUCH THE, UH, TREES AND LANDSCAPING THAT ARE ALREADY IN THAT GREEN BELT.
UH, UH, WAR TOWN ROAD REQUIRES A 45 FOOT, UH, GREEN BELT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE 45 FOOT LINE HERE COMING ACROSS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OUTER SECOND DRIVE THROUGH LANE DOES IMPACT THAT GREEN BELT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN THE TREES THAT WOULD REMOVE WITH AN X, UM, AND SO THAT 190 FEET OF LINEAR FEET OF THAT GREEN BELT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IN 171 LANDSCAPE CREDITS.
IF THAT WAS A COMPLETELY NEW DENUDED SITE.
THERE'S NOTHING, NO TREES ON THERE, BUT THERE ARE TREES ON THERE.
AND THEY EQUAL ABOUT 320 TIMES LAND LANDSCAPE CREDITS, SO WELL ABOVE THAT, 171.
AND I WANTED TO KIND OF ZOOM INTO IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE XS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT 45 FOOT AREA.
UH, SO I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE DIFFERENT RED, UH, TREES THAT WOULD BE REMOVED.
SO ON THE FAR END, THAT 22, THAT'S A TREE OF HEAVEN, WHICH IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES.
SO THAT WOULD BE REMOVED ANYWAY.
UM, NEXT TO IT, UH, WE'VE GOT A, UH, JAPANESE ZELKOVA, WHICH IS A DECIDUOUS TREE, A RED MAPLE, ANOTHER DECIDUOUS.
WE'VE GOT A SWEET GR GUM AND A TULIP POPLAR SITTING NEXT TO IT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 21 DOWN HERE.
AND THEN ON THE FAR END, UM, WE'VE GOT BLAH LOLLY PINES.
UM, SO LO LOLLY PINES ARE THOSE TREES THAT GO STRAIGHT UP AND HAVE THE BRANCHING WAY AT THE TOP, NOT A VERY GOOD BUFFER TREE.
UM, SO REALLY THE, THE TREES THAT THEY'RE REMOVING ARE DECIDUOUS IN NATURE.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ENCROACHING A HUGE AMOUNT.
THE BIGGEST ENCROACHMENT IS FIVE FEET ON THAT, ON THE FAR END NEAR THE PRIVATE ENTRANCE.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REQUEST THAT, WE'LL, THEY WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD TO THE, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALLOW ENCROACHMENT INTO THE JEAN GREENBELT BUFFER.
UH, SO THEY ARE, UM, REQUESTING THAT, UM, BE ALLOWED.
SO AS PART OF THAT, I CAN GET MY CIRCLES TO STOP HEARING.
SO THIS IS THE, THE GREEN BELT RIGHT NOW.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S A GOOD AMOUNT OF EVERGREEN TREES AND DECIDUOUS TREES IN THE BI IN THE BUFFER, UM, ADDING UP TO 329.
UH, THIS IS THE RENDERING THEY DID WITH THE RESTAURANT ON THE SITE AND WITH, UM, MORE, ACTUALLY MORE TREES REMOVED THAN, UM, THEY WOULD THAN THEY, THEIR CURRENT PLAN SHOWS.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOWED MORE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE, UM, GREEN BELT BUFFER, AND WE TOLD 'EM WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT.
SO THEY PUSHED IT BACK AND ARE ONLY ENCROACHING THAT FIVE FEET.
UH, STAFF FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENING THERE.
SO WE DID, UH, TO REMOVE THOSE LOB LOLLY PINES, UH, TO PUT IN SOME ACTUAL EVERGREEN PLANTING TREES AT SIX FOOT HEIGHT THAT MAINTAIN THAT BRANCHING TO THE GROUND.
SO IT WILL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE GREEN ON THIS FAR END WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH NOW AND WHERE THOSE LOB LOLLIES WILL BE REMOVED OR PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED THERE AROUND THE SIGN.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, BUILDING RENDERING THAT THEY, UM, GAVE TO US.
SO THIS IS, UH, FACING THAT, UM, UH, THE, THE, UH, ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY AND THEN THE OPPOSITE SIDE AROUND WHERE THE DUMPSTER WILL BE LOCATED.
UM, AND THEN THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL COME AROUND THE BUILDING.
THIS WOULD BE FRONTING TOWARDS THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE FRONTING MORE TOWARDS MOORE TOWN ROAD ROAD.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT THE, THE, UM, SCRIPT, THE CHINESE SYMBOLS ACROSS THE SIDE WOULD BE COUNTED IN THE SIGN, UM, ORDINANCE.
UM, SO THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CALCULATE OUT WHAT THOSE ARE, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR SIGNAGE.
UM, THEY DO HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S SHOWN.
IT WAS IN THE RENDERING OUT FRONT.
UH, THAT'S A NORMAL PANDA EXPRESS IF YOU'VE SEEN IT.
AND IT, OUR, WE ARE REQUIRED, OUR ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW 64 SQUARE FOOT, UH, MONUMENT SIGNS.
UH, AND THIS WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT, THAT REQUIREMENT.
PARKING WISE, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 1.5 PARKING SPACES PER HUNDRED GROSS FLOOR AREA.
UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT 39 SPACES.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THIS AREA HERE ON THIS SIDE WHERE THEY'RE SHOWING THE DUMPSTERS AND THEY'VE GOT THREE PARKING SPACES HERE.
UH, THEY ARE PLANNING TO SIGN THAT AS NO PARKING BEFORE 10:00 AM WHICH IS WHEN THEY DUMPSTER WOULD BE DUMPED PRIOR TO 10:00 AM ANYWAY.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY IMPACT THE PARKING, UM, TO HAVE THE DUMPSTER IN THAT LOCATION OR HAVE A LOADING OFFLOADING SPACE THERE.
UH, BECAUSE THE BUSINESS IS ONLY PROPOSED TO BE OPEN BETWEEN 10 30 AND AND 9:00 PM SO IT SHOULD BE FINE.
UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WE FEEL THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WOULD BE A, A GOOD USE OF THIS SITE.
THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, AND THIS WILL
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NOT ADD TO MORE TRAFFIC THAN THAT ANALYSIS.UM, AND THAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO A LITTLE MINIMAL GREEN BELT, UM, UH, CLEARING ON THAT ONE SIDE.
UH, AND THEY'RE REMOVING TREES THAT AREN'T REALLY GOOD BUFFER TREES ANYWAY, WHETHER THEY'RE DECIDUOUS OR AN INVASIVE SPECIES OR LOB LOLLIES, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF BUFFERING.
UH, SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
UH, YOU HAVE, UH, PC 23 DASH 27, UH, AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM US.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE, MR. TRAN, UH, ALONG WITH THE ARCHITECT AND I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? NO, NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, MR. ANDERSON, IS THERE NO REQUIREMENT TO, UH, UPDATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY? IS THERE ACTUAL STUDY OF TODAY'S TRAFFIC LOAD VERSUS A STUDY FROM 2004? I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BACK TO A 2004 STUDY AND THEN JUST MAKING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THAT.
SO, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASED ON JUST THIS SITE.
UM, BUT I'LL LET YOU, I'LL DEFER TO THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW ALL THAT WORKS.
I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO MY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER OF CARS TURNING INTO THE LOT.
AND, AND MY CALCULATIONS SHOW IT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE, BUT I'LL, I'LL WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I DON'T.
I'LL NOW OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
I BELIEVE YOU APPLICANT, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO TIM TRENT.
AND AGAIN, A REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES, INCLUDING ANY REPRESENTATIVES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I'LL ENDEAVOR NOT TO USE IT ALL.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH KAUFMAN CANNO OFFICES 48 0 1 COURTHOUSE STREET IN WILLIAMSBURG.
VIRGINIAS MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, PANDA EXPRESS.
ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT IS OUR ARCHITECT, UH, MR. HENRY CLOVER AND, UH, OUR CIVIL DESIGN ENGINEER, UH, MIKE LAHAM.
SO HOPEFULLY BETWEEN THE THREE OF US, WE CAN ADDRESS MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
MR. CLOVER IS WITH US FROM KANSAS CITY.
HE REPRESENTS PANDA EXPRESS IN DEVELOPING THEIR NEW FACILITIES NATIONALLY.
SO HE HAS A REAL INTIMATE WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF, OF THE PANDA EXPRESS BUSINESS AND ITS MODEL.
UM, I THINK I'VE ALREADY DONE THE INTRODUCTIONS HERE, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER, 66 10 MOTOWN ROAD, LLC, UH, THE ACTUAL PROJECT DEVELOPER CONTRACT PURCHASER, CFT NV DEVELOPMENTS, LLC, THAT'S AN AFFILIATE OF PANDA EXPRESS, DESIGNED TO OWN THE REAL ESTATE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, PANDA EXPRESS IS THE, THE TENANT AND ULTIMATE TENANT AND OPERATOR.
MOVING ON, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PANDA EXPRESS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THEY ARE, UH, AN AN EMERGING FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT IN OUR MARKET, BUT THEY ARE NOT NEW.
UM, THEY ARE CHINESE INSPIRED, FAST CASUAL CUISINE.
UM, FIRST PANDA EXPRESS WAS OPENED IN CALIFORNIA IN 1983 BY ANDREW CHURN, AND IT IS STILL OWNED BY, UM, THE CHURN FAMILY.
THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE DELIVERY OF QUALITY FOOD TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, DEVELOPING AND IMPROVING THE LIVES OF THEIR EMPLOYEES, UH, HEALTH AND SUSTAINABILITY, AND GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED THROUGH A PANDA CARES PROGRAM.
UM, I WON'T GO INTO, UH, DETAIL ON ANY OF THESE SLIDES.
I JUST, I PUT 'EM HERE IN CASE WE NEED TO REFER TO THEM TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.
SO AN OVERALL AERIAL OF THE SITE, AN ZOOMED IN IMAGE, WHICH GIVES YOU SORT OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS UNDEVELOPED.
UH, OF COURSE ALL THE SITE PLANS, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS.
AND I WILL SKIP NOW TO, UH, TALKING JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT THE GREEN BELT.
UM, MR. ANDERSON COVERED THAT IN, IN QUITE EXQUISITE DETAIL, SO THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A GREAT DEAL MORE TO SAY JUST OTHER THAN THIS IS THE EXISTING IMAGE.
AND I HAVE TRIED TO IMPOSE, UM, BEHIND EACH IMAGE OUR RENDERING OF WHAT WE THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER IT'S DEVELOPED.
SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
WE'VE TRIED TO OFFER THE EXACT SAME PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A REAL PHOTOGRAPH.
THIS IS A RENDERING, UM, SORRY TO KEEP FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH AGAIN.
EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE CORNER TODAY, IF YOU'RE TRAVELING, UH, I GUESS IT'S SORT OF WEST OR OR NORTH ON MOTOWN ROAD, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.
UM, THIS IS A RENDERING OF, FROM THAT SAME VIEW OF WHAT WE THINK IT'LL LOOK LIKE AFTER IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
SO, AGAIN, EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, RENDERING OF WHAT WE THINK IT'LL LOOK LIKE.
THIS RENDERING, I WILL NOTE, DOES NOT HAVE MR. ANDERSON'S, UH, PRESCRIBE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, TREES THAT THAT WOULD GO BEHIND THE SIGN.
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THAT'S, UH, IT WOULD ONLY LOOK BETTER THAN THAT.UM, THIS IS SORT OF A, AN AERIAL RENDERING OF WHAT THE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE AS DEVELOPED.
YOU GET A SENSE IN THIS AREA OF THE EXISTING, UH, TREE CANOPY THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED, MATURE TREE CANOPY.
UM, JUST FOR CONTEXT, THIS SORT OF MOVING SEQUENTIALLY DOWN THE SITE, UH, TO SEE WHAT OUR NEIGHBOR'S SITES LOOK LIKE.
SAME VIEWS, EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS IS OF THE TIDAL WAVE CAR WASH, UH, THE FORMER BANK FACILITY, UM, THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AND THEN OF COURSE, CHICK-FIL-A.
SO, UH, THE POINT BEING, OF COURSE, THAT, UM, WE WILL HAVE, EVEN WITH OUR MODEST ENCROACHMENT, UH, A MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL, UH, LANDSCAPING SCREEN THAN ANY OF THE OTHER OUT PARCELS ON THE SITE.
SO HOPEFULLY MEETING, IF, IF NOT THE LETTER OF THE GREENBELT REQUIREMENT, THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF IT, AND EXCEEDING IT.
UM, MR. ANDERSON MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, UH, AN AN EXCESS OF, OF THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE CREDITS.
I THINK IT WAS 171, HE DETERMINED WOULD BE REQUIRED.
3 29 ALMOST DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING CREDITS REQUIRED FOR THE GREENBELT BUFFER.
SO IN ANY EVENT, I'LL QUICKLY, UH, HIGHLIGHT WHAT I BELIEVE AND WOULD HUMBLY SUBMIT TO YOU ARE THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
UH, JUST ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, VERY, UH, THANKFUL FOR THE FULFILLMENT OF THE VISION OF THE LARGER RETAIL CENTER.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED AS AU CROPP SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S HAD A NUMBER OF TWISTS AND TURNS AND, AND IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, INTEREST IN THESE OUT PARCELS AND SEEING THEM COME TO LIFE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S, I THINK IT BODES WELL FOR, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF THAT SITE.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, UH, FAST CASUAL DINING IS A, IS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, A GOOD, UH, USE FOR THIS SITE.
IT IS REALLY PROVING TO BE SORT OF NATIONALLY AND EXTREMELY POPULAR AND VERY STABLE COMMERCIAL USE ON THESE, UM, IN THESE RETAIL CENTERS.
A CATALYST I WOULD SUBMIT FOR GREATER PATRONAGE OF THE LARGER RETAIL CENTER AND CONTINUED REVITALIZATION OF THAT CENTER.
UH, IT'S BEAU'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, BUT I, I DO, UH, FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE ARCHITECTURALLY.
AND, UH, IT WILL COMPLIMENT AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THAT CORRIDOR, WHICH ARE HIGH.
AND, UH, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WOULD EXPAND THE DINING OP OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AND, UH, AND EMPLOYEES IN THAT AREA, PARTICULARLY ACROSS THE STREET AT SENTARA, UH, HOSPITAL.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE MY REMARKS AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES, MR. CHAIR.
WELL, UH, LAND USE WISE, IT SEEMS TO BE FINE WITH ME.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, JUST FOR MY OWN INFORMATION.
UH, AND IT, IT GOES TO THE ISSUE OF BUSINESSES GOING OUTTA BUSINESS AND ESPECIALLY AROUND, IS THIS A FRANCHISE OR A CORPORATE, UH, FACILITY THAT'S GOING OUT? I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A ATTORNEY.
AND CAN YOU, NO, I THINK MR. TYSON, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, YOUR QUESTION WAS WILL THIS FACIL THIS LOCATION BE A FRANCHISE OR CORPORATE OWNED STORE? CORPORATE RESTAURANT? THE, THE PANDA ENTERPRISE IS THE CORPORATION.
I DON'T, AND THEY OWN ALL THE RESTAURANTS, BE A FRAN.
SO, MR. CLOVER, THE ARCHITECT SAYS THIS WILL BE A CORPORATE OWNED STORE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WOULD YOU TELL ME IF, WHAT'S THE PROBABILITY OF IT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS IN FIVE YEARS OR SO? DO YOU HAVE THOSE KIND OF STATS? UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
UH, BUT LET ME OFFER WHAT I, WHAT I THINK, OKAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAJOR, MAJOR INVESTMENT TO SOMEBODY LIKE ME, UM, IT'S, UH, AND, AND PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH TO A, A LARGE CORPORATION LIKE THE CHURN FAMILY'S BUSINESS.
UM, THEY STILL AREN'T, YOU KNOW, UM, BETTING ON FAILURE.
AND SO, UH, THEY ARE ANTICIPATING, UH, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, UM, SUCCESS WITH THIS FACILITY AND, AND WOULD NOT BE MAKING THAT MILLION DOLLAR PLUS INVESTMENT IF THEY HAD ANY INDICATION THAT IT WOULD NOT BE VIABLE IN, IN A TIME PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS OR LESS.
I I WOULD SUBMIT NOBODY GOES INTO A BUSINESS EXPECTING IT TO FAIL, BUT THEY DO FAIL EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF FAILURE IN THIS AREA.
MS. MY QUESTIONS, MR. TRENT, AND GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK HERE.
UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE ALL ROAD RELATED.
UM, AND AS YOU COME UP MOTOWN ROAD AND MAKE A LEFT INTO THAT, UH, INTO THAT, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT VICTORY, UH, VICTORY SQUARE IT, YOU'VE GOT CHICK-FIL-A
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AND HOME DEPOT, ESSENTIALLY AT THAT FIRST INTERSECTION, UH, WITH SENTARA, THAT THAT'S A SINGLE LANE LEFT TURN, UH, ENTRY.AND MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY, YOU SEE IT BACKED UP INTO THE, UH, THE, THE TWO THROUGH LANES, UH, THAT, UH, THAT TRAVEL ALONG MOTOWN ROAD.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC NUMBERS.
SO WHEN I READ THE REPORT AND IT SAID 18, 18 VEHICLES, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S 18 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ON MOTOWN, BUT YOU STILL HAVE 70, 77 ACTUALLY BY THE ITE MODEL THAT HAVE TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN INTO THE STORE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE PROPERLY REFLECTED OR REVIEWED THAT WITH VDOT.
'CAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CARS THAT ARE NOW INCREASED AT, UM, AT THAT INTERSECTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I REFER TO THE ITE MODEL.
IT, IT, IT CLEARLY, UH, INDICATES THAT, UH, THAT DURING PEAK HOURS, AND THAT'S FOUR TO 6:00 PM IT'S 77 CARS PER PER HOUR.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION IS POSED TO VDOT AND THEN WE GET AN ANSWER ON IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT IN THIS PROCESS, AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THEY'VE ACTUALLY DONE A, A CURRENT STUDY.
SO IT'S A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ALL PACKED IN THERE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN UNPACK 'EM AND MAYBE, UH, ENLIST THE ASSISTANCE OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOUR, UM, COMMENT, YOUR FIRST, THE FIRST PART OF YOUR COMMENT IS THAT THE, AND I'M REFERRING TO THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH NOW, UM, THIS BEING THE, UH, THE BA FORMER BANK FACILITY, THIS BEING SORT OF THE, UH, PORTION OF THE HOME DEPOT SITE, THE LEFT TURNS OFF OF MOTOWN INTO THE SITE.
YOU ARE EXPRESSING AT, UH, AT, UH, PEAK COMMUTING HOURS CAN BACK UP OUT OF THE RESERVED, UH, STACK STORAGE LANES INTO THE THROUGH LANES? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU'RE SEEING A NUMBER OF CARS NOW ACTUALLY MAKING THE RIGHT HAND TURN INTO SENTARA, DOING A U-TURN AND COMING BACK THROUGH THE LIGHTS.
IT'S, IT'S THAT BUSY OF AN INTERSECTION.
AND, UM, YOU ARE, UH, AWARE, I, I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE PANDA EXPRESS SITE, WHICH, UH, WOULD HAVE AT, AT, AT MAYBE NOT EQUIDISTANT, BUT UM, CLOSE IN, IN PROXIMITY TO A SECOND LEFT TURN OPTION INTO THE SITE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND, UM, SO NOW, UM, I THINK YOU ARE SO, AND IT IS RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT, AS YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE, THE PANDA SITE, CORRECT? YEAH.
FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, UM, YOUR QUESTION THEN WAS, UH, ABOUT WE, WE HAD PROJECTED BASED ON THE ITE CODE, YOU HAD, UH, I THINK MENTIONED ABOUT THE 18 VEHICLES.
WELL, 18 IS A PLUS NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON MOTOWN ROAD AS A RESULT OF THE RESTAURANT.
BUT THE ACTUAL NUMBER TURNING IN AT THAT INTERSECTION, OR AT ONE OF THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS IS THE PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC FOR A RESTAURANT IN A PEAK HOUR.
RIGHT? SO THE TABLE ONE IN THE, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SORT OF, UH, GOES THROUGH IN, IN, IN SOME DETAIL ABOUT THE ENTERING AND EXITING TRIPS, UH, BASED ON THE ITE CODE.
SO, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH NUMBER IN HERE YOU DISAGREE WITH.
UH, SO JUST TO WALK THROUGH IT, WE'VE GOT A LAND USE CODE OF 9 34, WHICH IS I THINK, UH, UH, CONFIRMED BY VDOT TO BE THE PROPER LAND USE CODE.
UM, WE'VE GOT TO PLUG IN THE SIZE OF THE, UH, THE STORE, WHICH IS THE 2,600 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN YOU HAVE PRIMARY TRIPS AND PASS BY TRIPS, AND THEN THEY BREAK 'EM DOWN BY AM UH, PEAK HOUR AND PM PEAK HOUR.
AND THEN WE ALSO ADD IT IN SATURDAY PEAK HOUR, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE DIFFERENT DE DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND THEN YOU GET AN AVERAGE, UH, WEEKDAY COLUMN.
SO THIS, UH, GIVES YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THE PRIMARY TRIPS AND THEN, UH, THE PASS BY TRIPS, WHICH ARE FOR THOSE THAT ARE UNINITIATED INTO TRAFFIC LINGO.
FORGIVE ME, THAT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE CORRIDOR ANYWAY THAT THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN THAT, ON THAT ROAD.
THEY'RE ALREADY GOING THAT WAY.
THEY'RE COMMUTER, YOU KNOW, STANDARD COMMUTERS OF THAT CORRIDOR.
THEY'RE JUST GOING, OH, HEY, THERE'S PANDA EXPRESS, AND NOW TURNING INTO THE SITE.
UM, SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE ITE CODE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, RAW NUMBERS.
UM, I DON'T SEE A 77 IN THERE, BUT MAYBE I'M MISSING, UH, THERE ARE ON SATURDAY.
UH, THE CLOSEST ONE I SEE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR SATURDAY PEAK HOUR TRIPS, UM, IN AND OUT OF THE SITE IS, IS IN THE TOTAL, UH, IS IN THE SEVENTIES RANGE.
BUT, UM, IN ANY EVENT, JUST IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I'M MISSING, WE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS IT.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, CODE NUMBER 9 34.
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WHICH IS FAST FOOD, UH, WITH, UH, DINE-IN FACILITIES.AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, FOR THE, UH, SIZE OF THE RESTAURANT, YOU END UP WITH A TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, 77 VEHICLES, WHICH IS A, IN IN WHAT TIME PERIOD IS IT A AM FOUR TO 6:00 PM SO THAT'S THE PM PM PEAK HOUR.
SO WE ARE CARRYING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOUR AS A TOTAL OF 86 TRIPS.
UM, SO I'M FAR OFF, WE'RE BEING MORE CONSERVATIVE.
I I AND WE'RE PROJECTING MORE TRAFFIC THAN, THAN IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR CALCULATION DID.
AND WHAT, AND WHAT I DIDN'T SEE WAS AN ANALYSIS OF THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC TURNING INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF THE NUMBER OF NEW CARS COMING DOWN MORE TOWN ROAD.
UM, THE, BUT EVENTUALLY ALL 77 OR 86 86 SAYS, WE'RE CALCULATING IT.
AND I'M NOT CLEAR THAT WE, UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE OVERTAXING THAT INTERSECTION ALREADY, AND THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY MORE VEHICLES DURING PEAK HOURS.
I JU I JUST, I THINK WE MIGHT NEED VDOT, UH, RESPONSE ON, ON THAT QUESTION.
UH, WELL, UM, AND MIKE, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CORRECT ME WHERE I'M, UH, MISTAKEN, BUT THE 86 TRIPS WAS CARRIED INTO THE ANALYSIS FOR THE VARIOUS TURNING MOVEMENTS BASED ON THE DISTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE APPROVED BY VDOT FOR, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE 86 CARS COME IN, COME OUT AND WHAT INTERSECTIONS THEY USE.
UM, AND VDOT DID REVIEW AND APPROVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
UM, SO IT, THERE'S MORE WE NEED FROM THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT I THANK YOU.
THEY DID APPROVE THE, THE STUDY.
IT, IT, THERE'S, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR FROM THIS, UH, BRIEF THAT IT WAS IN THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
UH, I HAVE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER REPRESENTATIVES THAT YOU WANTED TO CALL FORWARD.
UH, I DO HAVE MR. TOM CHAMBERLAIN.
I'M TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 MARLOW ROAD.
I, THANKS FOR LEAVING THIS GRAPHIC UP.
UM, THIS 45 FOOT BUFFER ON MOTOWN ROAD HAS BEEN, UM, MODIFIED BY EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO BUILD ON MOTOWN ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA SHRINK IT, WE'RE GONNA SHRINK IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAL WAVE, WE'RE CAR WASH, IT'S GONE.
UM, AND YOU WERE PRESENTED A VERY NICE DIAGRAM OF HOW ALL THESE TREES ARE GONNA BE THERE, ALL THE SHRUBBERY, AND THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S THERE.
CHICK-FIL-A TOOK OUT, UM, FOR THEIR EXPANSION, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THAT GREEN BELT.
AND THE LAST ONE HAD JUST GOT APPROVED.
AND NOW THE NEXT ONE DOWN, WE'RE GONNA AGAIN TAKE OUT GREENBELT.
AND SO I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE JUST CONTINUALLY SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS 45 FOOT BUFFER, BUT ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO CUT IT DOWN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME IN AND, AND, AND DO THAT.
AND SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO STOP HERE AND SAY, NO, PUT ONE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT AT ALL.
AND SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THE TIME AND I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON I'VE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CLOSE THE HEARING? OKAY.
WE'VE NOW CLOSED THE HEARING AND OPEN UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, JUST, UH, THIS IS PROBABLY, UH, TO MR. CROSS.
THE, UM, THE POINT ABOUT THE GREENBELT DISAPPEARING AFTER THE, IT'S APPROVED.
I'M ASSUMING THE COUNTY IS TAKING, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A, A CALCULATION OF THE TREES THAT ARE THERE, AND THERE'S BEEN A PROMISE THAT THE TREES ARE GONNA STAY THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET CUT DOWN? WELL, THEN THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.
I MEAN, THE, THE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A THAT MR. CHAMBERLAIN, UH, REFERENCES WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, IT WAS A LIMITED ENCROACHMENT AND INVOLVED RE UH, ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS TO MAKE UP FOR THE TREES BEING REMOVED.
UH, AND SO HAVE THOSE PLANTINGS BEEN PUT IN? PARDON ME? HAVE THOSE PLANTINGS BEEN PUT IN? UH, AS OF NOW, I COULDN'T
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TELL YOU.THIS CONSTRUCTION'S ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW, SO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, UH, GREEN BELT TO SEE A NICE BERM THERE, THAT ACTUALLY BLOCKED IT AS MUCH AS THE TREES DID, SO I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE FIVE FOOT, UM, ENCROACHMENT ON THIS PROJECT.
MS. LEHAM, ANYTHING, JUST A TINY BIT OF CONFUSION ON MY OWN PART BECAUSE THE DATES IN THESE NUMBERS THAT I AM LOOKING AT ARE FROM 2009.
AM I OFF, WHAT PAGE WERE YOU PAGE THREE.
SO I'M, DO WE HAVE MORE CURRENT NUMBERS? THE REPORT TEXT, UM, THE, OVER, OVER HERE TO 2000 ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS? MM-HMM.
SO THE, THE HEADING, IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE PAGES, SORRY.
SO THERE, IT'S STILL A VERY OLD TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
THIS, THIS ONE'S I'M GETTING, I'M GETTING MORE HELP UP HERE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYONE? OTHER QUESTION? I THINK I'VE MADE MY COMMENTS.
CONCERN MAINLY ABOUT TRAFFIC INTO THE, UH, VICTORY, VICTORY VILLAGE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.
AND, UM, JUST THE CURRENT LOAD OF TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION IS A PROBLEM.
UM, THIS APPEARS TO BE ADDING A SUBSTANTIAL VOLUME INCREASE TO THE TRAFFIC AT PEAK HOUR.
IT'S NOT TOO BAD THROUGH THE REST OF THE DAY, BUT PEAK HOUR IS A PROBLEM.
WE JUST NEED TO CHECK THAT NUMBER.
I KNOW THAT WE NOT REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THEY REVIEWED THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THEY MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT OR CONCERN ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT WERE IN THERE, WHETHER IT WAS NOT ADEQUATE OR NOT.
THEY USUALLY DO THAT IF THERE'S A PROBLEM.
SO THEY DIDN'T, BUT THEY DID NOT NOTICE.
I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT WE CHECK.
OTHER ISSUES? I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, AND I, I THINK PANDA EXPRESS IS A, LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOLLOWERS, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE IT.
I, I WOULD AGREE, AND I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD USE OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY IN THIS LOCATION.
NOT LIKE MY RECALL, LIKE SAID WITH THE GREEN BELT.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED IS KIND OF AN OVER DESIGN, IF YOU WILL, WHICH WAS VERY POSITIVE FOR THAT AREA.
UH, SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE BC 2327.
THE MOTION BY MR. WEER IS TO ADOPT BROAD SOLUTION NUMBER PC 23 DASH 27 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW AT 6 6 3 2 MOTOWN ROAD.
[Application No. PD-58-23, Yorktown Crescent, LLC: Request to amend the approved Overall Development Mater Plan and proffers, pursuant to Section 24.1-362(c)7 of the York County Zoning Ordinance, applicable to the Yorktown Crescent mixed-use development located on approximately 16.7 acres on the south side of Fort Eustis Boulevard (Route 1050) between George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17) and Old York-Hampton Highway (Route 634). Proposed changes to the proffers include reducing the maximum number of housing units from 210 to 167, increasing the minimum amount of commercial space from 31,000 to 55,000 square feet, and providing that the developer will be responsible for various improvements to Route 17 and Fort Eustis Boulevard to accommodate the development. This application also seeks to amend the York County Zoning Map by reclassifying the following subject to voluntarily proffered conditions: an approximately 1.5-acre parcel (GPIN R08a-0286- 3567) located at 7830 George Washington Memorial Highway from IL (Limited Industrial) to PDMU (Planned Development-Mixed Use); an approximately 4.4-acre parcel (R08a-0789-3564) located at 901 Old York-Hampton Highway from IL and GB (General Business) to PDMU; an approximately 3.0-acre parcel located at 7826 George Washington Memorial Highway (GPIN Q08b-4947-3236) from GB to PDMU; and portions of four parcels located at 7900, 7908, 7914, and 7920 George Washington Memorial Highway (GPINs Q08b-4736-3301, Q08b-4688-3367, Q08b-4625-3435, Q08b-4531-3505) from GB to PDMU. The properties proposed to be rezoned are designated Mixed Use, General Business, and Limited Industrial, with a Mixed Use overlay designation, in the Comprehensive Plan.]
2328 MADE THE MOTION TO PASS.THIS APPLICATION IS, WELL, THERE ARE TWO PIECES TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, ONE PIECE IS TO AMEND THE APPROVED OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR THE YORK CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND THE SECOND PART OF THE APPLICATION IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 10.3 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT FROM COMBINATION OF LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND GENERAL BUSINESS TO PDMU PLAN DEVELOPMENT MIXED USE.
THE DEVELOPER IS THE APPLICANT, YORKTOWN CRESCENT, LLC.
THE, UH, YOU SEE THE BIG, UH, AREA LABELED PDMU IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ZONING MAP HERE THAT IS YORKTOWN CRESCENT, AS IT, UH, WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2011.
UH, WHAT EXISTS TO DATE ARE THE FIRST, UH, 42 TOWNHOUSES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, OFF OF MARINER'S WAY.
UM, THE BLUE EYE LINED HATCHED AREAS ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REZONED TO PDMU AND BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT THE APPLICANT HAS
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ACQUIRED, UH, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND THIS PROPERTY AND, UH, HAS PURCHASED CONTRACTS FOR, UH, THE REMAINDER SURROUNDING ZONING IS GENERAL BUSINESS AND LIMITED INDUSTRIAL.THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE, UH, SOUTHEAST
UH, IT'S, UH, IF YOU'RE ON ONE, IF YOU'RE ON 17, IT'S BACK THERE BEHIND THE WENDY'S AND THE ARBY'S.
UM, ACROSS THE 17, YOU'VE GOT MCDONALD'S, BOJANGLES, YORK, 70 OF, OF GOD, UH, HERE ON ROUTE 17 THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT, UH, PLANS TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY AND INCORPORATED INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO EVERYTHING, UH, COLORED AND YELLOWED HERE IS, UH, YORKTOWN CRESCENT, UH, AS IT WAS APPROVED IN 2011.
THIS AERIAL PHOTO IS FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SO IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF DATE.
ALL OF THESE TOWNHOUSE LOTS HAVE NOW BEEN DEVELOPED.
AS I SAID, THEY ARE, UH, THEY ARE AT 42 TOWNHOUSES, A FEW PICTURES.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE PROJECT FROM FORT USES BOULEVARD.
AND, UH, THE OTHER WAY FORT USES BOULEVARD, A CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
AND, UH, ANOTHER LOOK, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE, UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, UH, PARKING PADS THAT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED IN THEM.
UH, FOR THAT REASON, TO AVOID THIS, WE HAVE INCLUDED A, UH, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UH, UH, TO REQUIRE EACH, UH, TOWNHOUSE LOT, HENCE FORWARD TO HAVE, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES, NINE BY 18.
THAT'S A STANDARD PARKING SPACE SIZE.
UH, THIS IS A BUILDING THAT NEEDS A LITTLE WORK.
THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS AN OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, UM, THAT ABUTS YORKTOWN CRESCENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND PLANS TO, UH, RENOVATE IT AND USE IT AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND HERE'S THE YORK ASSEMBLY OF GOD.
AS I SAY, THE APPLICANT, UH, PLANS TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY AND, UH, AND DEVELOP IT AS PART OF YORKTOWN CRESCENT.
OKAY, SO THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED AT, FOR 210 DWELLING UNITS, MOSTLY MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, COMBINATION OF APARTMENTS AND CONDOS, UH, 58 TOWNHOUSES AND DUPLEXES, EIGHT LIVE ABOVE UNITS, UM, 28,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UH, A NUMBER OF THOSE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WERE, UH, TO BE IN THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS WITH GROUND FLOOR, RETAIL AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
WHAT'S PROPOSED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS TO 167, UH, INCREASE THE TOWNHOUSES FROM 58 TO 1 0 3, REDUCE THE MULTI, UH, FAMILY UNITS FROM 1 44 TO 64, AND, UH, INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE TO 55,000 SQUARE OF FEET.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, SOME MORE COMPARISONS, UH, ADDING ABOUT 10 ACRES.
UM, AS, AS YORKTOWN CRESCENT IS APPROVED RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE, UH, DENSITY IS 13.3 DWELLING UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE OF 10 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, WITH THESE CHANGES, THIS WOULD DROP TO MAT DRAMATICALLY TO, UH, BY ABOUT HALF 6.4 DWELLING UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
WELL UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE.
AND ON THE COMMERCIAL, UH, SPACE PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THERE CURRENTLY APPROVED AT 1962.
WITH THESE CHANGES, IT WOULD BE 2100 PLUS.
SO AGAIN, MORE COMMERCIAL PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE IS, UH, 1000 SQUARE FEET, UH, PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE OPEN SPACE, UH, PRETTY SIMILAR 13.8% VERSUS 12.1%.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE IS 10%.
SO BOTH UNDER THE APPROVED PLAN AND THE PROPOSED PLAN, THEY'RE ABOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED OPEN SPACE.
THIS IS THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN FOR YORKTOWN CRESCENT, AS IT WAS APPROVED IN 2011, UH, CONCEIVED AS, UH, SORT OF A NEW URBANIST NEO-TRADITIONAL, UH, KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE 3, 3, 3 STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS UP HERE ALONG FORT YUS BOULEVARD EXTENSION, AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, UH, RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
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GOT, UH, TOWNHOUSES BACK HERE.AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME APARTMENT BUILDINGS, UH, HERE ALONG, UH, FORT YUS BOULEVARD.
AND A, UH, OFFICE BUILDING, UH, OVER HERE IN THE, UH, SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S, IT'S ATTRACTIVE LAYOUT.
IT'S A PRETTY PLAN, UH, ECONOMICALLY AND REALISTICALLY, IT'S PROVEN TO BE UNWORKABLE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS BEEN UNABLE TO FIND, UH, ANY COMMERCIAL USERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THAT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
AND THAT KIND OF COMPORTS WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET AS IT IS TODAY.
UH, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO, UH, ESPECIALLY AT THESE LOW DENSITIES.
UH, THE NUMBERS JUST DON'T WORK.
SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, UH, AS I SAY, FIND ANY COMMERCIAL USERS FOR ANY OF THAT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SPACE.
UH, WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IS A MAJOR CHAIN GROCERY STORE, UH, THAT IS INTERESTED IN BUILDING A, UH, A NEW GROCERY STORE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S LABELED NUMBER ONE ON THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN, A 55,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THEY ENTERED INTO CONTRACT AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
AND OBVIOUSLY, THIS REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE'VE REALLY, THEY'VE REALLY, UH, DONE AWAY WITH THE MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
UH, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A CONVENTIONAL, UH, SUBURBAN, UH, DESIGN WITH, UH, OUT PARCELS COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS ALONG, UH, FORT YUS BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
UH, YOU SEE THE LABELS TWO, UH, AND THREE, THEY'RE ALONG FORT USES.
AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE, UH, GROCERY STORE.
AND THEN HERE ARE THE COMMERCIAL ART OUT PARCELS.
UH, THEY'VE RETAINED 1 64 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING HERE ON THE, WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE YORK ASSEMBLY OF GOD'S SITE.
AND THEN, UH, TOWNHOUSES BASICALLY ALONG, UM, FORT USES BOULEVARD.
SO MAJOR REDESIGN OF THE WHOLE LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED SOME ELEVATIONS OF WHAT THE GROCERY STORE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND, UH, THESE ARE REFERENCED IN THE PROFFERS PROFFERED CONDITIONS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, ESTIMATES 12,226 AVERAGE DAILY WEEKDAY TRIPS.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT IS AN UNREALISTICALLY HIGH NUMBER, AND THAT'S REALLY BY DESIGN, UH, THE APPLICANT IN CONSULTATION WITH BO MM-HMM,
AND THAT'S, UH, VDO T'S APPROACH, UH, WHICH IS THEY DON'T WANT TO UNDER UNDERSIGN THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, 629 AMP HOUR TRIPS, 800 18:00 PM P HOUR TRIPS, UH, THOSE NUMBERS ARE HIGH.
AND, UH, AS IT SAYS ON THE SLIDE THERE, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER DID NOT MAKE ANY DEDUCTION FOR INTERNAL TRIPS OR PASS BY TRIPS THAT WERE
UH, IN THE LAST APPLICATION, OBVIOUSLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING TO A GROCERY STORE, IT'S GONNA COME FROM THE EXISTING TRAFFIC STREET.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL IN RETAIL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER.
THOSE ARE NOT ALL GONNA BE VEHICULAR TRIPS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY TOOK A DELIBERATELY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, AND THEY ALSO ASSUMED BASICALLY, UH, UH, FAST FOOD WITH DRIVE THROUGH ON ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS.
UH, WHICH A IS NOT, PROBABLY NOT REALISTIC.
AND, UH, B IS ALSO, UH, IT RAISES THOSE TRIP NUMBERS, UH, VERY HIGH.
'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY, UH, AS WE SAW WITH THE LAST APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HIGH TRIP GENERATOR.
SO ANYWAY, UM, BASED ON THESE NUMBERS, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPERS, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, CAME UP WITH AN ACCESS PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY READ THE LABELS HERE, BUT, UH, MAIN FEATURES WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION
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OF A MEDIAN DIVIDER ALONG FOR EASTS BOULEVARD BETWEEN 17 AND THE SECOND, UH, ENTRANCE TO FOOD LION.UH, YOU HAVE A LEFT TURN LANE INTO FOOD LION, UH, CONTINUING.
WE'VE GOT THE, UH, MEDIAN FROM HERE TO HERE.
UH, YOU'D HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE HERE.
SO BASICALLY, UM, SO RIGHT NOW ALL THAT'S OUT THERE COMMERCIALLY ARE WENDY'S AND ARBY'S.
SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, UH, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM YORK, HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND YOU'RE GOING TO ONE OF THOSE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, YOU WOULD TURN LEFT ON LANYARD STREET AND ACCESS 'EM FROM HERE, UH, WITH A MEDIAN THAT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE.
UH, WHAT PEOPLE ARE LIKELY TO DO IS, UH, GET IN THIS LEFT TURN LANE, TURN LEFT, AND THEN COME DOWN THIS ROAD.
UM, NOT REALLY MUCH OF A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
UH, THE EGRESS IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, TRICKIER, UH, BECAUSE, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, WENDY'S CUSTOMERS, BECAUSE WENDY'S HAS A, A RIGHT IN, UH, BUT NO, RIGHT OUT ONTO, UH, 17.
SO EGRESS IS HERE AT LANYARD STREET.
SO, UM, UH, COMING OUT OF, UH, WENDY'S, IF YOU'RE HEADED NORTH ON 17, YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TURN RIGHT AND GET INTO THIS LEFT TURN LANE AND EITHER MAKE A U-TURN, GET ONTO 17, OR YOU COULD CUT THROUGH THE SHOPPING CENTER AND DRIVE THROUGH TO, TO YORKTOWN CRESCENT, UH, TO GET TO 17.
UH, BUT, UH, THESE ARE THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, THE ENGINEER, TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS COME UP WITH THAT WILL MAKE EVERYTHING WORK, MAKE ALL THE INTER, ALL THE, UH, ENTRANCES OPERATE AT ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS FROM VDOT.
UH, OVERALL, UH, THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF THE MEDIAN.
THEY DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UH, THAT ARE GONNA BE NEED, GONNA NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE THIS APPLICATION FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
UH, BUT AT LEAST ON A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, UH, THEY DO LIKE THIS ACCESS ARRANGEMENT.
THEY DO NOT LIKE THIS SITUATION THE WAY IT IS NOW WITH THAT OCEAN OF ASPHALT OUT THERE, UH, NO CHANNELIZATION, UH, IN THIS AREA, I MENTIONED THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED PROFFERED CONDITIONS, VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED CONDITIONS, MAXIMUM 167 DWELLING UNITS, UH, 55,000 SQUARE FEET, MINIMUM, 55,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.
NOW, I WOULD NOTE THAT ONLY INCLUDES THE GROCERY STORE.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS.
SO THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE WOULD PROBABLY BE 10, 15,000 SQUARE FEET HIGHER.
MORE THAN THAT, UM, THEY PROFFERED, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURE, UH, SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, WALKING TRAILS, UH, CONCRETE PAVERS, UH, COMMUNITY BUILDING DOG PARK, UH, WHICH WERE ACTUALLY PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS FOR YORKTOWN CRESCENT.
UM, AND THEY'VE ADDED A PLAYGROUND, WHICH WAS NOT ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, NOT ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROFFERS.
UH, ONE CHANGE THERE THOUGH IS, UM, TO, UH, BUILD THAT, UH, THOSE AMENITIES.
UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD THOSE AMENITIES BEFORE THEY GET A CO FOR THE 43RD TOWNHOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE THEIR NEXT TOWNHOUSE, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY THEY CAN'T BUILD ANY TOWNHOUSES UNTIL THEY PROVIDE THE AMENITIES.
UH, THEY'RE ASKING TO EXTEND THAT TO 67, SO THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO BUILD ANOTHER 24 TOWNHOUSES BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY BUILDING AND THE DOG PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND.
UH, IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO PROHIBIT A NUMBER OF USES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
AND, UH, THE PROFFERS ARE, ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ONES, UH, THAT WERE APPROVED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL YORKTOWN CRESCENT APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE EXTENSION, UH, EXCEPTION OF SOME OF THE NUMBERS UP THERE.
UH, AS YOU SEE, I, I SAY 167 DWELLING UNITS, I NEED TO MENTION THAT THAT IS PREDICATED ON, AND LET ME, LET ME BACKTRACK HERE A SECOND, IF I MAY.
THAT IS PREDICATED ON THE DEVELOPER, UH, BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE THIS EXCESS RIGHT OF WAY ALONG FORT YUS BOULEVARD.
UM, IT WAS ACQUIRED BY VDOT FOR THE FORT SS BOULEVARD EXTENSION.
UH, IT'S JUST SITTING OUT THERE.
UM, BUT IT IS A
THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SETBACKS AROUND IT.
UH, SO IN THE EVENT THEY'RE WORKING WITH VDOT TO ACQUIRE THAT TRIANGULAR PIECE, UH, IN THE EVENT THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE 167, UH, DWELLING UNITS.
IN THE EVENT THEY ARE UNSUCCESSFUL, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 161.
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AND THE, UH, THAT IS REFLECTED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.THEY HAVE REQUESTED A FEW WAIVERS FROM THE, UH, PDMU STANDARDS.
I WILL SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PDMU PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE, UM, MOST OF THE STANDARDS IN THERE ARE REALLY CHARACTERIZED AS GUIDELINES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS THE ABILITY TO, UH, DEVIATE EITHER UP OR DOWN ON MOST OF THOSE, UH, THOSE GUIDELINES.
SO ONE REQUEST THAT THE DEVELOPER IS MAKING IS, UH, THAT THE, UH, TRANSITIONAL BUFFER THAT WOULD ORDINARILY BE REQUIRED BETWEEN, UM, THE OUT PARCELS ON ROUTE 17, UH, INCLUDING THE WENDY'S AND THE ARBY'S, AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, AND THE, UH, COMMERCIAL PIECE OF YORKTOWN CRESCENT, UH, BE, UH, REMOVED.
AND BECAUSE IT'S PDMU AGAINST GB, OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER.
WELL, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BUFFER, YOU'RE PROVIDING A BUFFER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
AND SO WE HAVE NO, UH, NO OBJECTION TO THAT REQUEST.
UH, SECOND REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE BUILDING SETBACK ALONG FORT YUS BOULEVARD FROM 50 FEET TO 35 FEET.
UH, IN THIS CASE, THE, UH, STAFF REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS, THERE ARE ABOUT 15 FEET OF, UH, UNPAVED RIGHT OF WAY, UH, BETWEEN THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT FOR FORT USES BOULEVARD, UH, AND THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.
SO YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY A 15 FOOT GREEN AREA BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND THE, UH, UH, EDGE OF PAVEMENT FOR FORT USES BOULEVARD, UH, GREEN AREA, PLUS A SIDEWALK THAT VDOT BUILT WHEN V THE FORT USES EXTENSION WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED.
SO YOU'VE GOT 50 FEET BETWEEN THE PROJECT AND THE ROAD, AND SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT REDUCTION.
LASTLY, UH, THEY'VE ASKED TO BE RELIEVED FROM HAVING TO PROVIDE ANY COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL SEQUENCING REQUIREMENTS IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WHAT WE SAY IS THAT FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER IS SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A PHASING PLAN, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROCEED.
UH, I WON'T SAY SIMULTANEOUSLY, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO DO IS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL THAT CAN BE BUILT, UH, BEFORE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL CAN BE BUILT.
UH, THE IDEA BEING YOU DON'T WANT IT JUST TO BECOME A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMERCIAL PIECE GETS BUILT, OR IT'S NOT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO LIKE UNDER THE, UH, CURRENT APPROVAL, UH, THERE, I THINK AFTER 58 TOWNHOUSES, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD, UH, HALF OF THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND UNITS IN, UH, MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 55,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUILD HALF A GROCERY STORE.
UM, AND OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THESE SEQUENCING STANDARDS IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN VERY PROBLEMATIC.
UH, YOU'VE GOT THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, YOU'VE GOT STAGING ALL SET UP, AND THEN YOU JUST CALL A HALT UNTIL YOU CAN FIND, UH, SOME COMMERCIAL USER, OR YOU'RE BUILDING COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT JUST SITS EMPTY, WHICH DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
UH, WE HAD, WE WERE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH NELSON'S GRANT BECAUSE ALL THE COMMERCIAL WAS BASICALLY ALONG ROUTE 17, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ANYWAY, UH, LESS SUCCESS WITH COMMONWEALTH GREEN DOWN ON, UM, COMMONWEALTH DRIVE.
UH, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, UH, THE KELTON STATION PROJECT ON LIGHTFOOT ROAD, WHICH WAS APPROVED AS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN FACT, UM, THERE IS NO SEQUENCING, UH, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL SEQUENCING, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THAT PROJECT.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT, UH, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT, WE WOULD NOT BE, UH, UH, CHARTING UNCHARTED TERRITORY.
IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, AGAIN, WHEN ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL IS IN A BIG 55,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING, UH, SITUATION.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UH, THEY'VE ENTERED INTO CONTRACT WITH THIS, UH, GROCERY STORE, WE'RE PRETTY CONVINCED THAT THE STORE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, BE BUILT.
UH, IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERING THIS WHOLE REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT.
UH, SO, UH, STAFF DOES NOT, UH, DOES NOT OPPOSE, UH, ELIMINATING THE SEQUENCING REQUIREMENTS.
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OKAY.UM, IN OUR OPINION, THE PROPOSED CHANGES DO REFLECT THE REALITIES OF THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET.
UH, THE DESIGN IS REALLY MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S SORT OF SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT CHARACTER.
UH, I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS A NICE PLAN, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF MASSING AND SCALE, THESE LARGE THREE STORY MIXED USE BUILDINGS RIGHT UP ALONG FORT YUS BOULEVARD, KIND OF AN URBAN, UH, LOOK, THAT'S, UH, KIND OF OUT OF CHARACTER WITH WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND GENERALLY AROUND THE COUNTY INCREASING NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS.
UM, AND, UH, AND IN, I'M SORRY,
IT HAS A POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT.
OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE COMMERCIAL, UH, IS GONNA GENERATE MUCH MORE REVENUE.
UH, AND I MENTIONED NO SCHOOL IMPACTS.
UH, IF YOU SEE IN THE MEMO WHEN, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF SCHOOL ENROLLMENT, THE, UH, INCREASE IN TOWN IN TOWNHOUSES, WHICH TEND TO GENERATE MORE STUDENTS PER UNIT IS KIND OF OFFSET BY THE REDUCTION OF UNITS OVERALL.
UH, AND, BUT I WILL SAY, SO, SO BASICALLY THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE, WITH THE REVISED LAYOUT IS ROUGHLY EQUAL TO WHAT WE PROJECTED IN 2011 UNDER THE APPROVED LAYOUT.
AND THE THREE SCHOOLS, UH, THAT, UH, WHERE THESE STUDENTS WOULD ATTEND, SEAFORD ELEMENTARY, YORKTOWN, MIDDLE YORK HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ALL HAVE PLENTY OF CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE STUDENTS.
UH, SO SCHOOL IMPACTS ARE NOT AN ISSUE WITH THIS APPLICATION.
WITH THAT, UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN, UH, RESOLUTION PC 23 DASH 28.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, AND HIS TEAM ARE HERE TO, UH, UH, SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.
I, SO A COUPLE OF POINTS ARE CLEAR AT WHAT, CAN YOU BRING UP THE, THE FINAL RENDERING OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED, THE, THE APPROVED OR THE PROPOSED? THE WHAT, UH, KEEP GOING.
RIGHT? THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT WASN'T IN OUR PACKAGE.
THAT'S A VERY HELPFUL, UH, NO, THE NEXT ONE.
SO THAT SHOWS THE, THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS THE SAME WAY? NO.
MUST NOT HAVE, NO, 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT.
I'VE BEEN BACK AND LOOKED TWICE.
WE, WE HAVE, UH, 20% OF THAT PICTURE, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE THIS, OH, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THIS IS.
I HAVE THE WHOLE THING IN MY, IN MY PACKAGE
SO NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WAS UNCLEAR OF.
AND THIS HELPS CLARIFY THAT THE, THE GROCERY STORE BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CENTER OF THIS? YES.
WHERE, WHERE IS THE FRONTAGE OF THE STORE? IS THAT GOING TOWARD FORT TIS BOULEVARD? THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
AND THEN THERE'S OUT PARTIAL BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE BETWEEN FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD AND THAT PARKING.
SO YOU'VE GOT THREE OUT PARCELS HERE, HERE, AND HERE.
AND CAN YOU SHOW US ON THIS MAP WHERE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ARE, THE TOWNHOUSES AND THE, UH, THEY'RE ALL IN THIS AREA.
THESE, UH, WHERE, SEE, RIGHT HERE AND HERE, THAT LITTLE, THE, THE, THOSE ARE THE EXISTING TOWNHOUSES.
RIGHT? SO THE CIRCLE THAT'S ON THERE, THAT'S THE CIRCLE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF, I REMEMBER BETWEEN FOUR AND I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE, WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CIRCLE YOU'RE, UH, REFERRING TO HERE.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S THERE NOW.
THOSE ARE THE FOUR, TWO ARE IN PLACE NOW.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE, RIGHT.
UH, HERE, UH, NUMBER 10 IS, UH, AN EXISTING POND.
AND SEVEN IS THAT RECREATION CENTER, THAT COMMUNITY BUILDING, UH, THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, THAT THEY'VE ACQUIRED AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE INTO THE PROJECT.
SO REALLY WHAT THE REST OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IS THAT SECTION TO THE RIGHT.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS 64 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING, LATE NUMBER FIVE ON THE, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE OR ASSEMBLY OF GOD'S SITE.
YEAH, THIS IS VERY, BUT THAT WAS MY MISSING PIECE.
WELL, I GUESS WE HAD A PRINTER ERROR THERE,
Y'ALL'S DID MY ONLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
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SHARING THAT.MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION WAS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, THE 2100 SQUARE FEET VERSUS THOUSAND SQUARE FEET THAT'S IN THE, UM, OKAY.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE GUIDELINE, UH, IS THAT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 1000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AS A MINIMUM PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE.
UH, UNDER THE APPROVED PLAN, IT'S ABOUT 1962.
UNDER THIS PLAN, IT'S BETTER 2100.
AND THEY'RE BOTH WELL IN EXCESS, BIGGER IS BETTER MINIMUM.
FROM A FISCAL IMPACT STANDPOINT, IT CERTAINLY IS.
AND FINALLY, KEN, YOU NOTED THAT THE VDOT STUDY HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED OR THE REVIEW? YEAH, THIS, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT, THERE'S A SPECIAL PROCESS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CHAPTER 5 27.
AND WE MET WITH, UH, VDOT REPRESENTATIVES AND THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, FIRST TO GO UP THE SCOPE OF THAT REVIEW, AND THEN FOR THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO PRESENT THE RESULTS.
UH, AS I SAY, IN THAT MEETING, UH, THEY WERE VERY, UH, ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE, UH, MEDIAN DIVIDER ON FORT S BOULEVARD.
UM, AND, UH, BUT THERE, THERE IS A, A REVIEW PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
SO WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, THEIR FINAL COMMENTS YET.
AS I SAY, UH, PRELIMINARY COMMENTS, YES.
BUT WE WOULD NOT TAKE THIS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE FINAL COMMENTS.
DO WE, DO WE NEED TO STATE THAT IN OUR, UM, DECISION THAT IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE DEVELOPER MEETING? ANY NEEDS THAT VDOT IDENTIFIES? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA, THAT'S, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT FORWARD, UH, WITHOUT FINAL UNDERSTAND VT COMMENT.
ONE THING I, I, I NEGLECTED TO MENTION, UM, UH, ALL THESE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ARE GONNA BE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER.
THEY HAVE PROFFERED TO, TO DO THOSE.
UH, UH, SO BUILDING THE MEDIAN, ALL THOSE ENTRANCES, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE, UH, PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER.
UH, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, 35 FOOT SETBACK ALONG FORT USES BOULEVARD, FORT YUS BOULEVARD BETWEEN 17 AND OLD YORK, CAMDEN HIGHWAY IS FOUR LANES.
IT WILL NEVER NEED TO BE WIDENED, SO THERE'S NO WORRY THAT SOME FUTURE WIDENING IS GONNA CUT INTO, YOU KNOW, THAT 15 FEET OF UNPAVED RIGHT OF WAY, THAT 15 FEET OF UNPAVED RIGHT OF WAY IS GONNA BE THERE, I WOULD SAY IN PERPETUITY.
UH, AND WHEN I SAY UNPAVED, OF COURSE, I MEAN THE PART THAT'S NOT WITH IN THE SIDEWALK, BUT THE REST OF IT IS UNPAVED.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ROAD PAVEMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, JOHN.
MR. CROSS, THE LETTER YOU SENT US FROM VDOT, SECTION ONE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT RECOMMEND WE GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT UNTIL THE PIPELINE STUDY IS COMPLETE.
HOW DO YOU, WELL, HOW HAVE YOU ADDRESSED THAT? NOT A REALISTIC COMMENT.
UH,
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING, UH, WITH VDOT ON THIS, UH, PROJECT PIPELINE.
AND THE CURRENT TIMELINE IS FOR THAT WORK NOT TO BE OVER AT LEAST UNTIL, UH, END OF FEBRUARY, WHICH WOULD PUSH US PAST THAT A HUNDRED DAY, UH, PERIOD.
NOW, THE BOARD HAS A LITTLE MORE, HAS A LOT MORE LEEWAY.
UH, SO IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, A DE A DESIRE TO DELAY A DECISION UNTIL THAT PROJECT PIPELINE WORK IS COMPLETED, UH, THEY CAN JUST NOT CARRY IT FORWARD UNTIL IT'S DONE.
THEY WOULD HAVE UNTIL, SO WHAT HAPPENS NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR? WHAT HAPPENS AT THE 100 DAY MARK? A HUNDRED DAY MARK? IF THE COMMISSION HASN'T ACTED, IT GOES FORWARD AS AN AUTOMATIC RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
AND THE ROADWAY SHOWING HERE WITH YOUR PARKED CARS AND, UH, MM-HMM.
UM, OUR CHIEF HAS COME BACK AND SAID, MINIMUM OF 20 FOOT WIDE FOR, UH, FOR FIRE ACCESS.
WELL, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES IN THAT RIDE UP AND THAT ROAD.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT THIS SITE PLAN, THAT ROAD WAS BASED ON, WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOT WITH ANOTHER SET OF BUILDINGS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT.
PARDON? NOT WITH ANOTHER SET OF BUILDINGS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT.
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WELL, THE ROAD IS STILL, UH, SAME WIDTH.YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 12 FEET OF USABLE SPACE ON THAT ROAD.
YOU CANNOT GET A FIRETRUCK DOWN THAT ROAD.
WELL, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS, UH, IF, IF, IF, UH, WHATEVER THEY SUBMIT ON THE SITE PLAN IS GONNA HAVE TO PASS MUSTER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY AND PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT HAS DONE SO, UH, THEY DID NOT GIVE US ANY SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED MASTER PLAN REVISION.
UH, IF THEY COME IN WITH A PLAN THAT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UM, UH, REVISE THE PLAN BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE APPROVED, HAS TO MEET THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
SO THEY HAVE REVIEWED IT? UH, THEY REVIEWED THIS, YES.
AND WERE, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THEM.
UH, JUST A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MEETING TURNING RADII FOR LARGE VEHICLES.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 35, 33 FEET.
AND THE SECOND COMMENT, I BELIEVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IT, I DON'T THINK IT EVEN HAD TO DO WITH EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.
IT MIGHT HAVE HAD TO DO WITH, UH, I, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.
BUT THAT'S BASED ON THE PHOTO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, FORCING THAT, CORRECT.
ANY ANYMORE? I JUST HAVE ONE FOR, FOR MR. CROSS.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO FIX THE, THE MEDIUM ON FORT YUS BOULEVARD BESIDE WENDY'S IS THE REASON I ASK THAT.
IT'S GONNA MAKE ME VERY INCONVENIENT TO HAVE TO COME OUT WEDNESDAYS AND TAKE A RIGHT AND TAKE A U-TURN TO GO BACK TO WHERE I WANT TO GO.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAS TO MAKE THAT U-TURN COME BACK.
AND I ABSOLUTELY HATE U-TURNS IN ANY, ANY KIND BUSINESS.
YEAH, I, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT TOO.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, SO WAS THERE ANY WAY OTHER, OTHER PROJECT, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER CAME UP WITH.
I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, BUT, UH, WELL, WE ALL KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD PERFECT.
WOULD NOT ACHIEVE THE, IT WOULD, WOULD NOT ACHIEVE THE IMPROVEMENT IN, UH, OR ACHIEVE, ACHIEVE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE EVERYTHING WORK.
I HAD THE SAME CONCERN, BUT I'LL SAY THAT ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE, YOU HAVE THAT BACK STREET.
I MEAN, IF I'M LEAVING WENDY'S, I WOULD TURN RIGHT AND THEN COME OUT ON 17 INSTEAD OF TAKING A LEFT AT WHERE THE MEDIAN IS NOW GONNA BE UP.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE GOING AGAIN.
IF YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON 17, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE, IT'S LESS CONVENIENT THAN IT IS NOW.
UH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT VDOT HAS NEVER LIKED THAT, UH, WIDE OCEAN OF ASPHALT WITH NO CHANNELIZATION, UH, KIND OF A NO MAN'S LAND, UH, BETWEEN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD LINE AND THE, THE GAS STATION AND, UH, WENDY'S ON ACROSS THE STREET.
I KNOW IT, IT JUST REMINDS ME OF, OF MY OBJECTIONS.
IT WAS 17 DOWN THE VICTORY BOULEVARD.
WE PUT THE, WHAT IS IT, WAH W IN OR WHATEVER IT IS ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE, PEOPLE MAKING LEFT TURNS, AND THEY GO HEAD BACK THE OTHER WAY.
IT'S JUST, IT JUST CREATES PROBLEMS. WELL, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A DEDICATED, YOU'D HAVE A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE THERE.
IT'S, UH, SO YOU, WE DO DOWN, HAVE A REFUGE AND THEY'RE NOT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FORT USES BOULEVARD OR COMING FROM AND FORT S BOULEVARD COMING FROM OLD YORK, HAMPTON HIGHWAY IS NOT THE MAJOR TRAFFIC FLOW.
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE AREN'T GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT GAPS TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER.
BUT YES, IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE.
AND, AND OUR DRIVERS DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE PERSON TURN MAKING A U-TURN OR THE PERSON COMING OUT MAKING A RIGHT TURN.
WELL, I THINK IT BE MORE CLEAR WITH THIS THOUGH, THAN IT'S CURRENTLY WHERE YOU'VE GOT JUST, UH, STRIPING AND, AND AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I EVEN SURE WHAT LANE YOU'RE IN SOMETIMES
I TAKE THE POINT, AND THAT WAS MY INITIAL REACTION WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS PLAN.
I THOUGHT, WELL, I DON'T THINK THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS ARE GONNA LIKE THIS VERY MUCH.
NOW, ARBY'S, THEY DO HAVE A, A WRITE OUT ONTO 17, SO THEY'RE LESS AFFECTED, UH, THAN WENDY'S WOULD BE.
ANY OTHER, BUT IT MAY BE CUTTING THROUGH IT'S ARBY'S.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
SO WE'LL NOW OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S GONNA BE OUR APPLICANT IS HERE AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, 10 MINUTES, UH, TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
WHICH WAY DO WE CLICK TO ADVANCE CHAIRMAN SMITH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? MY NAME IS JIM NOEL, AND, UH, I'M A CONSULTANT HERE WORKING ON BEHALF OF
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YORKTOWN CRESCENT, LLC.AND IT IS A REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO, I THINK, AMPLIFY WHAT STAFF HAS ALREADY SAID ABOUT A PROJECT THAT IS, IS GOING TO MAKE A VAST IMPROVEMENT TO THE EXISTING PLAN, BOTH FOR THE RESIDENTS OF YORKTOWN CRESCENT, FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS OF YORKTOWN CRESCENT, AND I THINK FOR THE CITIZENS AND CONSUMERS OF YORK COUNTY.
OUR TEAM HERE TONIGHT, UH, WOODY PARRISH, WHO IS REPRESENTING THE OWNERSHIP GROUP WITH YORKTOWN CRESCENT, BERNA GETTY, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, ROB MANN FROM THE TIMMONS GROUP, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER AND MYSELF.
AND I GUESS I HAVE TO GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS, WHICH IS 1 0 2 YARD ARM COURT, UH, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA, 2 3 1 8 5.
AND AGAIN, STAFF HAS DONE THEIR USUAL EXCELLENT JOB OF GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THIS NEW PLAN.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY AS A BEGINNING THAT THIS IS PERHAPS JUST THE ANTITHESIS OF ALL THE OTHER MIXED USE PROJECTS THAT I'VE VIEWED IN THE COUNTY OVER THE YEARS WHO ARE ALWAYS STRIVING FOR MORE DENSITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL, LESS COMMERCIAL.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS TURNING OUT ON ITS HEAD.
WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A NEW PLAN THAT IS GOING TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL, I THINK HAVE IMPROVED PRODUCT, AND I'M GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE, AND IS GOING TO ADD COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND HAVE A MORE POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE COUNTY.
I THINK THIS IS TRULY A, A POSITIVE PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY AND A BIG IMPROVEMENT, UH, ON WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR ANY OF THESE THINGS.
MR. CROSS HAS ALREADY GONE OVER THEM, BUT WE ARE GONNA BE INCREASING FROM 28,000 TO A TOTAL OF 61,391 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
UH, THAT MAJOR RETAILER IS A GROCER.
UM, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY THEM AT THIS TIME AT THEIR BEQUEST.
UH, BUT THAT WILL BECOME CLEAR AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
I CAN ASSURE YOU, THEY ARE A QUALITY RETAILER.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENJOYED, UH, BY OUR CONSUMERS IN YOUR COUNTY AND OTHERS COMING OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY.
AN ADDITIONAL 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND SIX OUT PARCELS THAT WILL NO DOUBT DUE TO SLOWER ABSORPTION TAKE TIME TO FILL OUT.
BUT ANOTHER POSITIVE COMMERCIAL OUTCOME FOR THE COUNTY.
YOU ALREADY SAW THIS BEFORE MR. CROSS HAD IT.
UH, THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE GROCER, UH, A VERY, VERY NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A, A VERY GOOD ADDITION TO THE, TO THE COUNTY'S COMMERCIAL BASE AND, AND TO THE GROCERY OFFERINGS THAT WE HAVE.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE.
ONE THING THAT HAS COME UP IN THE PAST, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER GROCERY STORE TO THE CURRENT, UH, ONES IN THE COUNTY, UH, PEOPLE SOMETIME ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GONNA CANNIBALIZE THE EXISTING BUSINESS.
UM, I ASK THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO HAVE RETAIL STRATEGIES, AND THEY'RE A CONSULTANT THAT HELPS LOCALITIES BRING INWARD RETAIL INVESTMENT INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY USE STI DATA, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS GOOD, GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION TO RUN WHAT'S CALLED AN OPPORTUNITY GAP ANALYSIS.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS COMPARING CONSUMER DEMAND WITHIN THAT TRADE AREA TO WHAT THE CURRENT MARKET SUPPLY IS AND WHAT IT SHOWED AT THIS LOCATION, USING A 15 MINUTE DRIVE TIME, WHICH I THINK IS A REASONABLE, UH, UH, METRIC TO USE FOR GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE.
UH, THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF AN 126 MILLION ANNUALLY IN ADDITIONAL GROCERY STORE SALES.
NOW, A STORE OF THE ONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO COME IN WILL TYPICALLY DO 45 TO 50 MILLION IN ANNUAL SALES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW STORE AND HAVE A, A OVERALL POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT FOR THE COUNTY.
AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IN THE PAST IS WHEN A NEW STORE LIKE THIS COMES IN THAT PERHAPS IS A HIGHER QUALITY AND HAS SOME ADDITIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE, THE EXISTING STORES UP THEIR GAME, THEY WILL SOMETIMES MAKE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS OR IMPROVE THEIR, UH, SERVICE DELIVERY.
ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE, THE OBJECTIVES IS, IS TO DECREASE THE DENSITY.
UH, AS A RESULT, I THINK OF A BETTER PLAN AND ELIMINATING PRODUCTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
UM, THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE GOOD FOR THE OWNERSHIP AS WELL.
IT DOES INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TOWNS, BUT WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE CONDOS, THE DUPLEXES AND THE LIVE ABOVES THAT HAVE PROVEN TO BE UNSUCCESSFUL IN OUR MARKET.
UH, THE APARTMENT PROJECT DOES REMAIN, BUT THAT'S IN THE IMPROVED PLAN AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, FOR SOME REASON THIS DOESN'T GO FORWARD.
THOSE APARTMENTS COULD BE CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE CURRENT APPROVED PLAN.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, WE'RE DECREASING THE DENSITY ALMOST IN HALF HERE,
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WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE.WE'LL MAKE THIS A MORE LIVABLE, MORE ATTRACTIVE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.
WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES OF, OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXCELLENT NEW GROCERY STORE.
WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH AGAIN, IS COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OF WHAT TYPICALLY WE'VE SEEN IN THESE MIXED USE PROJECTS.
AND THE CURRENT AMENITIES WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
IN FACT, WE'VE ADDED A PLAYGROUND TO THE MIX.
UH, THE, UH, CLUBHOUSE WILL SHRINK BY ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE USING AN EXISTING BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING SOMETHING NEW.
BUT THEY WILL COMPLETELY RENOVATE THAT AND, AND PROVIDE A REALLY NICE FACILITY FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE.
THIS IS NOT AN AREA OF MY STRONG EXPERTISE.
UM, BUT, UH, AS MR. CROSS, UH, EXPLAINED, THESE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, HAVE BEEN POSITIVELY RECEIVED BY VDOT INITIALLY.
WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, GREAT SERVICE LEVELS AT ALL OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE PROJECT.
REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPACTED HERE LONG TERM, AND I'M TALKING FIVE, 10 YEARS OUT OR LONGER, IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE INTERSECTION AT FORT EUSTIS AND ROUTE 17.
AND IF THIS PROJECT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, THE PREDICTION RIGHT NOW IS THAT THAT INTERSECTION, ASSUMING A NO BUILD HERE AND NO IMPROVEMENTS, WOULD FALL TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE F SO WITH OUR PROJECT AND THESE IMPROVEMENTS, IT WOULD AT LEAST KEEP THAT JUST IN THE PEAK PM PERIOD AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE E WHICH IS NOT IDEAL, BUT I THINK ACCEPTABLE JUST IN THAT PEAK PERIOD.
THIS IS THE APPROVED MASTER PLAN.
AND I JUST, I KNOW YOU CAN'T REALLY READ THAT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE DENSITY, UH, I THINK THAT SHOWS, SHOWS HERE PRETTY CLEARLY COMPARED TO THE PLAN THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO ENDORSE THIS EVENING.
UM, WHICH I THINK DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB, UH, OBVIOUSLY OF, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE DENSITY.
I THINK IT HAS A NICE JOB OF INCORPORATING THE RESIDENCES WITH THE PROPOSED NEW, UH, RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, OVERALL WILL BE A MUCH BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR, FOR THE RESIDENTS, UH, IN THE PROJECT.
WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROPOSED NEW PLAN? IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT OUR SCHOOLS.
IT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT ON THE COUNTY'S COFFERS.
AND AGAIN, WE, THIS WAS DISCUSSED MR. CROFT, THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, IS STILL UNDERWAY.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE ISSUES.
BUT WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PLAN AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF SERVICE WITHIN THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IF IN FACT THAT PIPELINE STUDY DICTATES SOMETHING ELSE DOWN DOWN THE ROAD, THESE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, COULD BE CHANGED, THAT THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
UH, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS ACCELERATES THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS WE ALL KNOW HAS BEEN STAGNANT AND NOT SOMETHING ANYONE WANTED.
THIS WILL TAKE THIS TO FRUITION IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY FOR THE COUNTY.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT WE DID HOLD A, UH, MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, IN YORKTOWN CRESCENT, AND ACTUALLY INVITED NELSON'S GRANTS RESIDENCE TO ATTEND.
UH, WE HAD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1520 FOLKS ATTEND.
THE RESPONSE WAS VERY, VERY POSITIVE, UH, TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE, UH, ANY MEMBER OF THE TEAM AND MYSELF ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
BUT, UH, WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU CONCUR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND MOVE THIS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I WENT AS FAST AS MR. TRAMP, BUT I STILL HAVE A MINUTE LEFT, COMMISSIONER.
WELL, I HAVE MR. O I'M SURE YOU HAVE.
RESIDENTS COMPLAIN BITTERLY ABOUT PARKING AVAILABILITY ON THE EXISTING SITE.
AND SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO IMPROVE ON THAT? I'D RATHER HAVE THE ENGINEER ANSWER THAT TO ME.
YEAH, SO I, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE, THE MASTER PLAN, CAN THE MICROPHONE, YOU HAD A BETTER COPY OF THE MASTER PLAN.
YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE MORE THAN MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE FOR THE, UH, VISITOR PARKING.
UM, WE PROVIDE MORE THAN ENOUGH SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE NEW PLANT.
SO IN ADDITION TO A FEW SATELLITE PARKING AREAS, THERE'S ON STREET PARKING ADJACENT TO
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THE TOWN'S PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.BUT WE KNOW THEY CAN'T FIT IN THE CURRENT DRIVEWAYS THAT THAT'S THE REAR ENTRY.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF, OF THE, BUT IT'S THE FRONT SIDE OF THE NEW TOWN HOUSES.
CAN WE GET BACK TO THE, DO YOU HAVE THE MASTER PLAN IN YOURS? YEAH.
SO WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IS ON, IT'S PRETTY WELL ON MARINER WAY.
SO WHEN YOU ENTER ON MARINER'S WAY, THIS IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO REALLY ILLUSTRATE IT WELL.
BUT ON THE, IF, IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS, THERE IS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS STREET, WHICH IS NOT ADJACENT TO THE DRIVEWAYS.
THESE ARE PARALLEL SPACES IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED TOWN HOMES OR THE EXISTING TOWN HOMES.
NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FORT EUSTIS AND BRACE WALL.
'CAUSE AS I CALCULATE IT, AND I USED MY TAPE MEASURE OUT THERE, IT WAS 111 FEET, BUT YOU NEED 121 FEET TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE TOWNHOUSE PLUS THE 50 FOOT SET BOARD PLUS THE 18 FOOT DRIVEWAY, PLUS THE FOUR FOOT EXTENSION YOU NEED ON THE ROADWAY TO MAKE IT 20 FOOT.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO EXPRESS DOUBT IN YOUR MEASUREMENT CAPABILITIES, BUT YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IS A SCALED PLAN, AND WHAT WE'RE REPRESENTING THERE DOES FIT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SCALING ERROR ON, ON THE DRAWING.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS REPRESENTED THERE PROVIDES A 35 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR FORT EASTES BOULEVARD AND FITS WITHIN ENOUGH TO PROVIDE AN 18 FOOT DEEP PARKING SPACE OR DRIVEWAY FOR EACH OF THOSE UNITS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE PLAN WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, AND IT, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW, AND THEY CERTAINLY WOULDN'T APPROVE IT IF IT DIDN'T MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE ORIGINAL FISCAL STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY COSTS OF EDUCATION OR SCHOOLS.
UM, THAT'S BEEN MISSED ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAD TO PUT IN A $21 MILLION IMPROVEMENT ON SEAFORD ELEMENTARY TO ADD TO EIGHT CLASSROOMS. AND THAT CLEARLY OCCURRED AT THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
UM, SO I'M A LITTLE BIT UPSET THAT THE FISCAL STUDY IS REPORTED AS GREAT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT IN FACT, WE'VE ALREADY PAID THE MONEY.
THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION ON MY PART.
ANY OTHERS FOR THE APPLICANT? I NO REAL, REAL COMMENTS DRIVING THROUGH THE AREA THE OTHER DAY.
IT, I KNOW THE PARKING WAS JUST THE, AND, UH, I GUESS I'M, I'M HUNG UP ON PARKING THIS THIS MONTH, LAST MONTH IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT THE PARKING WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS AT, I, I WILL COMMENT WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS AT THERE ON THAT DRAWING.
I GUESS IT IS UP THERE TO THE NORTH OF THAT FOUR.
AND THAT'S AN ALLEYWAY BETWEEN THE EXISTING TOWNHOUSES AND THE NEW TOWNHOUSES THAT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED THERE.
UH, NORTH, I'M SORRY, NORTH OF FOUR BETWEEN THE FOUR AND, AND FORT S BOULEVARD.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROAD ANOTHER WAY, AND THEN THERE, I THINK THOSE ARE NEW TOWNHOUSES THAT'S GOING IN, RIGHT? YES.
BRACEWELL, THOSE ARE THE, YEAH, THOSE ARE NEW.
SO, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE THAT LITTLE ALLEYWAY ROAD, THAT ROAD.
AND I THINK, I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT'S WHAT DOUG WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT THAT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD.
AND I CAN CONTEST TO THAT DRIVING DOWN THAT IT WAS VERY NARROW.
AND WITH THE CARS COMING OUT FROM THOSE TOWNHOUSES THAT EXCEEDING THE LENGTH OF THE PARKING SPOT, THEY WERE, PEOPLE WERE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE GRASS AND THINGS, WHICH WILL NOW BE IN THESE NEW TOWNHOUSES PARKING.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AM I, AM I STUTTERING HERE?
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A A AN ADEQUATE ANSWER FOR YOU ON THAT.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THAT IS NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED IN APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
THERE WERE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS THAT WERE PROPOSED THERE THAT PROVIDED THE PARKING AND, AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TOWN HOMES WITH ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PARKING ARRANGEMENT.
SO I TAKE UNDER ADVISEMENT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF YOU WOULD, THAT WOULD BE OF THE, OF THE ALLEYWAY.
'CAUSE IT'S LIKE 16, IT NEEDS TO BE 20 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S 20.
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OKAY.ANY OTHERS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO AND I THINK TOM CHAMBERLAIN FIRST UP AGAIN, REMINDER THAT IT'S, UH, THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
SO, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD.
UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, AND, AND I DON'T LIVE IN THIS AREA, I'M UPPER COUNTY, UM, BUT YOU'RE ABOUT TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR EVERYBODY WHO BOUGHT IN THIS ALREADY, WHERE THEY WERE GONNA GET A CLUBHOUSE AFTER 43 OR 45 UNITS AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA DEFER THAT TO 67.
AND WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO FOR THOSE EXISTING PEOPLE WHO OWNED THOSE WHO BOUGHT THOSE TOWN HOMES WITH THE EXPECT EXPECTATION THAT WHEN IT'S EITHER 43 OR 45, I'M GONNA HAVE A CLUBHOUSE TO ENJOY IF YOU APPROVE THIS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
I THINK YOU OUGHT TO GO BACK AND SAY NO, YOU'RE GONNA STAY WITH THE EXACT SAME PARAMETERS.
YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A CLUBHOUSE FOR THESE FOLKS AND THEN DO THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, NEXT TAB, UH, ED ANDERSON, MR. ANDERSON, ED ANDERSON, 79 MEREDITH WAY, NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
I AM THE OWNER OF THE WENDY'S
AND, UH, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH WENDY'S FOR 44 YEARS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHILE I'M SURE THEY ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO TO MITIGATE THE FACT THAT WE WILL SEE IMPACT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT MEDIAN IS TOTALLY INCORRECT, WE ARE NOT A DESTINATION.
WE ARE A THOUGHT OF, LET'S GO TO WENDY'S OR LET'S GO TO A RESTAURANT.
AND WHEN YOU CAN'T LEAVE EASILY, IT'S AN ISSUE AND IT WILL IMPACT US.
I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT, UM, THEY THEMSELVES SAID THEY OVERSTATED THEIR TRAFFIC NUMBERS TO GET THE MEDIAN.
WELL, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS RIGHT, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T OVERSTATE ANY NUMBERS.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT I HAVE BEEN THE OWNER FOR THAT RESTAURANT SINCE 2012.
A GENTLEMAN NAMED DAN NEIMAN DEVELOPED IT WELL BEFORE THAT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES OF CARS PULLING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
THEY THEMSELVES STATE HOW WIDE THE ROAD IS AND HOW LITTLE IT'S USED.
THEY WANNA REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF BUFFER ON THAT ROAD BECAUSE OF THE LITTLE USE OF THE ROAD AND THE FACT THAT THEY'LL NEVER HAVE TO WIDEN IT.
BUT YET THEY WANNA DO THAT ON MY BACK.
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG PERIOD.
WE HAVE REINVESTED IN THAT RESTAURANT WE HAVE PUT BACK INTO IT, WHEREAS THEY'RE ASKING TO DO LESS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
I JUST ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE AVENUES INVOLVED.
AND FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE IT, IT WILL ALSO IMPACT THE ARBY'S.
BUT I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE COULD THEN U-TURN DOWN AND THEN DRIVE THROUGH THE FOOD LION PARKING LOT.
HOW SAFE IS THAT? THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THE BUFFERS WE, I TALKED ABOUT, THEY'RE ASKING A LOT AND THEY'RE NOT GIVING A LOT.
THE FIRETRUCK ISSUE I FIND VERY INTERESTING.
I HOPE YOU WILL LOOK INTO THAT ALSO.
AND JUST TO FINISH MY STATEMENT, IT'S JUST THAT IT WILL IMPACT US IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE WHERE VDOT SAYS WE'VE GOTTA DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, I GET THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANNA DO THIS ON MY BACKS AND CHANGE THAT WHOLE THING, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE THAT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY, ME SINCE 2012, AND THE FRANCHISEE BEFORE WHO DEVELOPED THAT SITE.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YEP, GOT SEVERAL.
AGAIN, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME'S PATRICIA SETTIMO.
ADDRESS IS PO O BOX 7 6 5 IN YORKTOWN.
UM, I'M THE OWNER OF THE R BEEFS.
AND, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH.
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17 NEXT TO ME HAS ALWAYS BEEN GENERAL BUSINESS.ANYBODY COULD PUT A BUSINESS IN THERE TO TAKE THIS PROJECT THAT STARTED IN 2011 AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD ONLY 20 SOMETHING UNITS PRIOR TO A CLUBHOUSE.
THEY THEN WENT IN 2016 AND ASKED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE CHANGED WHERE THERE HAD TO BE ONLY 42 UNITS AND THEN A CLUBHOUSE BUILT TO NOW WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WITH THE INGRESS AND THE EGRESS, NOT JUST ON 17.
I PUT THE DECELERATION LANE IN, I PUT THE PORK CHOP IN, AND THE ENTRANCE OF THAT, JUST AS I PUT THE BACK PORTION OF OUR DRIVEWAY IN, WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT BACK DRIVE BEHIND WENDY'S AND ARBY'S IS, IT HAS NEVER BEEN KEPT UP.
WE HAVE HAD POTHOLES ON THAT PROPERTY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THEY HAVE TO SEND OUT A LETTER.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY I HAD SOME DOCTOR IN GLOUCESTER CALL ME AND SAY, PLEASE JUST CALL ME.
SO HE COMES OUT WITH A BAG OF PATCH FOR THAT ASPHALT DRIVE BACK THERE.
I GET COMPLAINTS DAILY, UM, THAT NOW THEY'RE COMING IN IN 2000 AND ALMOST 24 AND ASKING FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT TO BE CHANGED AND PUT IN DOUBLE THE COMMERCIAL AND THE ROAD SITUATION HERE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY VDOT HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, DECIDED ON WITH THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE OUT PARCELS, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PARKING.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH PARKING.
THEY'RE STATING THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE COUNTING EVERY PARKING SPOT IN FRONT OF THE GROCERY STORE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE EXCESS PARKING, THE TRAFFIC THERE RIGHT NOW AT FORT TTI.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING ON FORT EUSTIS ACROSS 17, TURNING LEFT INTO FOOD LINE.
THEY NOW WILL HAVE TO USE THAT LANE.
BESIDES THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF WENDY'S AND ARBY'S HAVING TO USE THAT LANE.
YOU'VE GOT CARS COMING FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND THEN TO USE THAT LANE TO MAKE A U-TURN, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET OUT OF FOOD LION TO GO LEFT.
SO YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING OUT OF FOOD LION HAVING TO CROSS, UH, FORT TI TO GO LEFT.
AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM FORT TI AND FROM WENDY'S AND FROM 17 TO GO LEFT IN.
IT'S JUST, TO ME, IT'S AN ABOMINATION OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT.
AND IT'S A BRAND NEW PROJECT THAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S THE SAME OWNERS AND THEY'RE JUST KEEP THANK YOU MA'AM.
KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE LINE.
ANY OTHERS? WE HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE.
UH, UM, MY NAME'S JACK VAN MON FRANCE.
I LIVE AT, UH, 2 28 CHURCH STREET.
JUST AN ORDINARY, ORDINARY CITIZEN.
DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY PER SE.
UM, I'M GLAD THEY'RE RE REDUCING THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, CAPACITY.
UM, I DO, I DO AGREE THAT SO MANY CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE APPARENTLY TO THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE, UH, ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, EXEMPT TO SOME OF THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND, AND IF THIS BECOMES A TREND WITH ALL, WITH ALL DEVELOPER, ALL DEVELOPMENTS, THEN WHY HAVE A, A, A STANDARD OF, OF, OF CODES, UH, FOR, FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME AS BEING RATHER PECULIAR AND UNIQUE ABOUT THIS, THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT WE HAVE A FOOD LINE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
AND THIS, I UNDERSTAND, I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT THE RUMOR HAS IT, IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIX THAT'S WITHIN A 10TH OF A MILE.
SO WE HAVE THREE GROCERY STORES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DISTANCE OF A MILE AND A HALF.
AND I THINK THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED FOR THE COUNTY.
I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER PLACE THAT HAS TWO GROCERY STORES THAT CLOSE TOGETHER.
UM, JUST SAYING, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF THEY PUT A-Y-M-C-A IN THERE.
ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, MY 2 CENTS WORTH.
[02:35:03]
GOOD EVENING.I RESIDE AT THREE 11 PARK PLACE, NEW NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
WANNA GET SOME THINGS STRAIGHT.
I'VE BEEN UP THERE SINCE 1987.
WE BROUGHT THE SEWER AND WATER FROM BURNT BRIDGE.
1700 FEET BOARD WATER AND SEWER UNDER 17.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A FOOD LINE.
AND NOBODY'S STATED HOW MUCH MONEY THAT FOOD LINE'S MADE SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
I DO WANT TO GET THE STRAIGHT WITH HIM.
VDOT AND THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ARE THE ONES THAT PUT THAT IN, COST ME MONEY TO DO IT.
IF HE CAN RAISE ENOUGH CANE WITH VDOT AND THEY SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, NOT GONNA BREAK MY HEART.
THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL SOLVE HER PROBLEM WITH POTHOLES.
'CAUSE SHE'LL HAVE A BRAND NEW ROAD THAT COMES DOWN THERE IN SERVICES.
HER BUSINESS, I ASSUME THAT'S HER BUSINESS.
SO I DON'T WANNA BE SURE WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS MEDIAN.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS SINCE 84.
EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND, SOMEBODY WANTS A STUDY ON SOMETHING.
OKAY, WE GOT THE STUDY, CHECK THE BOX.
WE, WE ARE CONSTANTLY HIT WITH ALL THESE.
AND I KNOW Y'ALL READ THE STUDIES AND THERE'S A NEED FOR THE STUDIES, BUT THIS IS THE RESULT.
OKAY? I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION A HUNDRED TIMES, UH, THOUSANDS OF TIMES AS FAR AS THE CLUBHOUSE.
WE WERE CAUGHT IN A VACUUM THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO BUILD SO MUCH RETAIL, OKAY? BEFORE WE COULD, WE COULD CONTINUE.
IT STOPPED US, IT STOPPED OUR CASH FLOW.
COVID CAME IN ABOUT, KNOCKED US OUT, WE'RE STILL HERE, WE'RE GONNA STAY HERE.
WE DID SETTLERS CROSSING 83 HOMES.
OKAY? WE DID THE GROVE ACROSS FROM MAR BANK.
WE DIDN'T COME IN ON THE MIDNIGHT EXPRESS AND WE'RE GONNA FINISH THIS PROJECT.
YOU HAVE AN EXCELLENT USER, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIT AROUND FOREVER AND SAY, OKAY.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DDOT.
THEY, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU GOTTA ASK HIM.
BUT WE WANNA WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE.
WE, UH, AND WE, WE DO THINGS IN MY FAMILY ONE WAY, TWO WAYS.
ONE, WE NEVER ASK ANOTHER MAN TO DO A JOB THAT WE WOULDN'T DO OURSELVES.
AND IN ALL DEVELOPMENTS THAT MY FATHER AND I HAVE DONE, WE'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULDN'T LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ACCEPT OURSELVES.
OKAY? OUR FIRST GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, THAT THEIR MAIN INVESTMENT IS PROTECTED.
YOU GO INTO SETTLER'S CROSS AND IF ANY OF THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE AND YOU ASK 'EM ABOUT US, THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
WE OWN VIRGINIA LAND AND HOMES.
WE SELL SOME HOUSES, WE SELL A LOT OF HOUSES.
WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THESE INVESTMENTS ARE TO PEOPLE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ASK, ANSWER 'EM.
ANYONE ELSE COMING FORWARD? SIR, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I AM JOHN MCPHERSON 72 0 1 ROUTE 17 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO A YORK ASSEMBLY OF GOD.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS LAYOUT OF THIS PROJECT.
I'VE BEEN WAITING SO MANY YEARS FOR A SEWER TO COME DOWN ROUTE 17 BETWEEN BULL FORT JUICES BOULEVARD AND DENBY BOULEVARD.
I'VE GOT THE BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEW YORK ASSEMBLY OF GOD.
I CAN'T RENT BECAUSE I'M ON A FAILING SEPTIC TANK SYSTEM.
I'VE BEEN PAVING ALONG FOR, FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL EVER GONNA RUN THE SEWER DOWN 17 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE NO NEED TO.
YOU GOTTA GONNA DO IT OFF 17 BACK IN THE WOODS BACK THERE.
UH, I GUESS MAYBE YOU MIGHT OFFER ME A CONNECTION FROM THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY OVER TO THOSE NEW TOWNHOUSES OVER THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE'VE BEEN COLLECTED ALL THESE MANY YEARS AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE NEGLECTED SOME MORE.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE THE SEWER SYSTEM COMING DOWN TO, UH, DOWN IN THAT PART OF 17, EITHER EAST OR WEST SIDE OF 17.
NOW, THEY SENT OUT A STUDY FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY WERE GONNA LOOK AT AND, AND, AND ASK THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY WANTED CONSIDERED TO PUT THE SEWER DOWN THERE.
THEY WERE DOING THAT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING WORSE BACK FROM THAT.
SO I DUNNO WHAT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT OR I JUST FORGOT ABOUT IT.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERNS.
[02:40:04]
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CHALLENGES OBVIOUSLY WITH, UH, WITH TRAFFIC AND, AND ESPECIALLY IMPACTING CURRENT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR CURRENT BUSINESSES.
UM, FINISHING THIS PROJECT'S IMPORTANT TOO.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND DEFINITELY, UH, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACE HAS CHANGED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EMPTY COMMERCIAL SPOTS AND, AND, AND, UH, SPACES.
UM, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE IDEA, I LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LESS, LESS RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL.
UM, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE FOR ASKING VDOT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AND, AND IS THERE A BETTER WAY? IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT DOESN'T IMPACT OR HAVE THE IMPACT ON SOME OF THE CURRENT, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENT BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY HAVING TO DO THAT U-TURN, UH, AND COMING OUT.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERY THOUGHT.
YOU HAD
ONE, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CONCERNS WITH PARKING HERE WITH THE ORIGINAL UNITS AND THEY'VE, THEY WERE APPROVED AND THEY, AND WE FOUND THAT THAT PARKING REALLY ISN'T AS ADEQUATE AS IT SHOULD BE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION ALL BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE IT NOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEW UNIT.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH THAT.
BUT, UM, MY MAIN CONCERN REALLY IS TO GET, UH, VDOT TAKEN ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THEY CAN IMPROVE THAT, UH, SITUATION.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT OTHER THAN I'M CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC ON THAT CORNER.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD GET VDOT MORE INVOLVED AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INGRESS, EGRESS TO THIS DIVISION SUBDIVISION.
I HOPE VDOT WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT U-TURN.
AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, UH, I KNOW THE DEVELOPER MAY NOT HAVE BE ABLE TO CHANGE THAT, BUT I WOULD HOPE SO.
THE, UH, DRIVEWAY WIDTH AND THE PARKING SITUATION IS ANOTHER CONCERN.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT'S EXISTING THERE.
'CAUSE WHEN I DROVE AROUND IT, IT WAS LIKE, I WOULDN'T LIVE HERE BECAUSE I COULDN'T MOVE FROM MY PARKING.
AND THEN THE CLUBHOUSE THAT THE LA SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP HERE, I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
BUT IT IS VERY DISCOURAGING WHEN YOU GO INTO A PROJECT OR GO INTO A POSITION AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THIS THING LAID OUT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN FOR NO REASON, PERHAPS OF THE DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING, THEY CAN'T DO IT.
BUT THE RESIDENTS ARE HUNG OUT TO DRY.
AND SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UH, THAT CAN BE FIXED.
I MEAN, THAT CAN BE FIXED, I WOULD ASSUME, BY THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WANTED TO THE CLUBHOUSE.
THREE CONCERNS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK WE'VE, UH, COVERED ALL THE SAME AREA.
UM, I'M NOT A FAN OF PDMU, UM, POORLY DESIGNED MIX, UM, MESSED UP I THINK IS THE ACRONYM I WOULD USE FOR THAT.
UM, A LOT OF CONVERSATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN TERMS OF THE, THE FAILURES THAT WE'VE HAD ON PDMU OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS ONE BECOME A SUCCESS.
UH, I AM CONCERNED WITH EXISTING PARKING.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BACK PADS PEOPLE NEED PARKING FOR, FOR TWO VEHICLES, AND THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY ON THE EXISTING SITE WITHOUT PARKING ON THE GRASS, ON THE GRASS AREAS.
UM, I'VE DONE THE CALCULATIONS ON, ON, UH, THE MEASUREMENTS BETWEEN FORT EUSTIS BOULEVARD AND THAT FIRST STREET.
AND IT'S SIMPLY INADEQUATE FOR THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT AT THAT CORNER.
AND I THINK YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.
AND SO TO TAKE A PLAN FORWARD THAT, UH, THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE, UH, DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR IT, I THINK IS A MISTAKE.
WE NEED TO GET THAT FIXED BEFORE IT COMES FORWARD TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S THE SUMMARY.
I, I, I SIMILARLY HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OR THE REDESIGN THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER TO CORRECT THAT SHORTFALL WITH THE, OF THE PARKING.
THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T GET THAT BEFORE THE MEETING, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE PARALLEL PARKING IN FRONT OF THE NEW UNITS, BUT THAT'S FOR THE NEW UNITS.
[02:45:02]
UH, YOU, WE, WE STILL, WHEN I DROVE THROUGH THERE A COUPLE DAYS AGO, SAME KIND OF THING.I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF THE NOT MUCH PARKING.
I MEAN, THE CARS THAT ARE PARKED IN A DRIVEWAY ARE STICKING OUT OF THE STREET.
WE'RE TALKING CARS, NOT TRUCKS.
THESE ARE JUST STANDARD CARS THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I, IF, IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO CORRECT THAT, EXTEND THOSE DRIVEWAYS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT TAKE, ADD SATELLITE PARKING.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT SATELLITE PARKING IDENTIFIED ON HERE.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW THAT AFFECTS THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND I'M, I'M AFRAID OF PRESSING THIS FORWARD.
AND WHY CAN'T WE GO BACK TO VDOT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE SAID THEY WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE ONE STUDY IS FINISHED AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE UNTIL MARCH.
BUT CAN WE, DO WE HAVE LATITUDE TO GO BACK TO VDOT AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THIS? WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WAS NOT VDOT THAT CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF THE MEDIA.
IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S OWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS A WAY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE WHOLE PROJECT WORK, MAKE ALL THE INTERSECTIONS FUNCTION AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO VDOT REACTS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER PROPOSED.
AND, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO CAN WE KNOW, WE, THE VDOT IS SAYING WE NEED ADDITIONAL TIME AND TO PROVIDE YOU SOME COMMENTS? WELL, CAN WE, WELL, YEAH.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US PRELIMINARY COMMENTS.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US, UH, FINAL COMMENTS.
WHAT, WHAT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO DELAY THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO ALLOW THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THE VDOT AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS? AND HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT? AND I, MAYBE I'D REOPEN THE HEARING AND ASK FOR THE YEAH, WELL, I, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER.
OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION CAN ALWAYS TABLE AN APPLICATION.
UH, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPTION.
UH, JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU CAN ONLY TABLE IT FOR SO LONG.
UM, BUT THE COMMISSION ALWAYS HAS THE O OPTION OF TABLING AN APPLICATION IF IT'S NOT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, WOULD THE OUTCOME IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, WOULD WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED FROM VDOT? IS THAT A REASONABLE, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT I I WAS RIGHT.
IS THERE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION TOLD THAT WE WOULD GET FINAL COMMENTS? UH, IN, IN NOVEMBER.
NOW IS THAT NOVEMBER 30TH AND NOVEMBER 15TH? I DON'T KNOW.
UH, SO YOU COULD TABLE IT AND PRESS THAT.
IF YOU DON'T GET COMMENTS, YOU COULD TABLE IT AGAIN.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO ACT YOU, UM, SO I YIELD UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THAT JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH THE, UM, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS STILL GONNA GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE FULL REPORT FROM VDOT.
AND ANY CHANGES IN ANY RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THIS IS APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED.
I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT WITH THE COMMENTS ON PARKING, THAT THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED, BUILT.
THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT IN THERE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE BUYING WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE PLACE.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SPENDING MUCH TIME COMPLAINING ABOUT PARKING.
THE PEOPLE BOUGHT AND KNEW WHAT THEY WERE BUYING MOVING FORWARD.
I'D CERTAINLY LIKE SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
PEOPLE OFTEN DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BUYING WHEN THEY BUY INTO SOMETHING AND IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION CORRECT THAT I, I'LL, I'LL MOVE THAT.
WE SEND APPLICATION PC 23 DASH 28 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.
MADAM SECRETARY RALPH, PLEASE.
THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION PC 23 DASH 28 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE MASTER PLAN AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE YORK YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TERONE AT JASON ACRES, LOCATED AT GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY AND OLD YORK HAMPTON HIGHWAY FROM GB ANDI TO PD MU MR. KRINER? YES.
SO DOES THAT GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY
[02:50:01]
TO BRING THIS FORWARD AGAIN, MR. CROSS? WELL, YOU VOTED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING
I'M NOT HAVING THE APPLICANT COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UH, YEAH, THAT WELL, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S ONLY, I MEAN, AS AFTER IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DENIED, I'M NOT SURE I, UH, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU HAVE IN MIND
WHAT'S, WHAT'S, I THINK I, I THINK I'M GOING INTO A TERRITORY THERE, SO I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW THAT QUESTION.
WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK, THEN YOU WOULD'VE, YOU WOULD'VE TABLED THE APPLICATION, UH, RATHER THAN RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
UH, SO, UH, AT, AT THIS POINT, UNLESS YOU WANTED TO REVERSE THAT, I GUESS IT WOULD JUST GO FAR, GO ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THEY MIGHT, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM AGAIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT WANT TO, UH, UH, NOT TAKE IT TO THE BOARD UNTIL SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED OR UNTIL WE HAVE FINAL COMMENTS FROM BDOT.
[8. New Business ]
UH, NEW BUSINESS AND I GUESS FOR MY NEW BUSINESS IS THE CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. ROY ON BECOMING ONE OF THE NEXT, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.ANY ONE THING, MR. CHAIRMAN? WE OUGHT TO RECOGNIZE MS. ROY.
THAT'S PART OF OUR STAFF, PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.
I ALWAYS JUMP IN FRONT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO ONTO THE STAFF REPORT.
DID WE HAVE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? NO.
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
ARE WE ON STAFF REPORTS NOW? YES, SIR.WE ARE PLEASED TO WELCOME ELGI ROMAN, AND WE'RE SITTING HERE NEXT TO MS. UH, CARDI.
SHE IS OUR NEWLY HIRED PLANNER REPLACING JEANNIE CROY, WHO, UH, WENT ON, HAS GONE ON TO BECOME THE ACTING PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY.
UH, RI HAS BEEN ON THE JOB ALL OF THREE DAYS AND SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB.
UH, BUT SERIOUSLY, UH, YEAH, WE THINK SHE'S GONNA BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE, TO THE STAFF AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HER AS PART OF OUR TEAM.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, RECENT, UH, ACTIONS BY THE BOARD ON OCTOBER 17TH, UH, THE BOARD, THEY APPROVED THE MIKE TYNDALL APPLICATION FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE ON ROUTE 17.
UH, COMING UP ON THEIR NOVEMBER 21ST AGENDA, THEY ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THE BARGO OFF TOURIST HOME APPLICATION ON BETHUNE DRIVE IN CARVER GARDENS.
YOU ALL MIGHT REMEMBER CONSIDERING THAT APPLICATION MANY MONTHS AGO.
THEY WILL ALSO CONSIDER THE LA TINT USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR WINDOW TINTING IN THE SCHROEDER CENTER ON ROUTE 17 AND TAB.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHEN DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'LL BE, UH, THAT'LL BE A FULL, UH, MEETING AS FAR AS Y'ALL'S, UH, DECEMBER 13TH UPCOMING MEETING AGENDA.
WE HAVE JUST ONE APPLICATION, UH, LIKE A BROKEN RECORD HERE, BUT IT'S FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITHOUT DOOR STORAGE ON 17TH
THE THIRD ONE WE'VE HAD IN ABOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UH, BUT THAT IS YOUR, YOUR ONLY APPLICATION FOR THE DECEMBER 13TH AGENDA.
GENTLEMEN, I BELIEVE A QUESTION WAS RAISED EARLIER ABOUT WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP WITH THE APPLICATION THAT YOU DENIED? IT WILL SIMPLY MOVE TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
YOU ALL MADE A RESOLUTION TO VOTE ON IT, AND YOU VOTED TAKE AN ACTION.
SO IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF NO, AND
[02:55:01]
THEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL MAKE THEIR, THEIR DECISION IN THE MANNER THAT THEY SEE FED.UH, ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS ANY REPORTS OR REQUESTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NO.
HAVING HEARD NONE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.