[1. Call to Order]
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I CALLED TO ORDER THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION OF OCTOBER THE 11TH, 2023.THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, AND ARE ALL MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
YOU STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[4. Approve Minutes – September 13, 2023 ]
TO OUR LAST MEETING MINUTES.DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS FROM ANYONE? TWO, UH, COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? OKAY.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE WORK THAT TIM HAS DONE, CERTAINLY IN PRESENTING THE PACKAGE TO THE BOARD.
I THOUGHT HE DID A EXCELLENT JOB OF BALANCING WHAT WERE THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF BOTH THE COMMITTEE AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, UH, COMMISSION.
UM, I THINK THE FINAL SHEET THAT YOU USED IN YOUR SUMMATION, WHICH GAVE US A LOOK AT THE HOUSING STARTS IN, IN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS, VERY MUCH ADDRESSED THE LEADING INDICATORS DISCUSSION THAT WE'D HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT CHART THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE.
I THINK THE, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE ON THE MINUTES, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S A QUESTION WE'VE HAD COME, COME UP PREVIOUSLY, MR. KENNEDY HAD WRITTEN ABOUT, UH, HIS, UH, MINUTES BEING, UH, TRUNCATED OR, OR CONDENSED.
UM, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S TIME THAT WE JUST WENT TO, UH, VERBATIM, UH, UH, COPY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE WORDS IN THE MINUTES AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS ALREADY DONE.
UH, I'LL LET MR. CROSS ADDRESS THAT, BUT I, I KNOW THAT THE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A TRANSCRIPT AVAILABLE.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING ON THE WEBSITE? YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
WELL, AS I INDICATED IN MY, UH, RESPONSE TO MR. KENNEDY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS, UH, CITE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, NEWLY REVISED AS, UH, OUR, UH, THE RULES THAT WE GO BY.
AND, UH, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS, UH, SAYS THAT THE USE BY THE SECRETARY OF A RECORDING DEVICE CAN BE OF GREAT BENEFIT IN PREPARING THE MINUTES, BUT A TRANSCRIPTION FROM IT SHOULD NEVER BE USED AS THE MINUTES THEMSELVES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDE SUMMARY MINUTES.
THAT'S WHAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CALLS FOR.
SUMMARY MINUTES FOR PUBLIC BODIES.
UH, IF WE DID VERBATIM MINUTES, THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF EDITING INVOLVED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, UH, AND GRUNTS AND THINGS THAT ARE UNINTELLIGIBLE, THINGS THAT ARE MISSPELLED.
UH, AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABOUT 10 TIMES LONGER THAN THEY ARE NOW, AND THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE VERY USEFUL TO THE BOARD.
THE MAIN VALUE OF THE MINUTES IS IT GIVES THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS SAID, WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS, UH, AND IF WE WENT TO VERBATIM MINUTES, IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
UH, SO I WOULD STRONGLY, UH, OBJECT TO THAT IDEA.
PLUS IT GOES AGAINST YOUR OWN RULES.
I, I AGREE WITH THE STAFF AND I OPPOSE ANY, UH, VERBATIM MINUTES.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS FIELD FOR 30 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A PLANNING COMMISSION DO VERBATIM MINUTES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR BYLAWS.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ITEMS TO ADDRESS IN THE MINUTES OR DO WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
AND SECRETARY, THE MOTION BY MR. WASMER AND SHALL ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2023.
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MR. KLEINER? YES.UH, NOW WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZENS' COMMENT, PERIOD.
AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD TO ADDRESS ANYTHING? NOT ON THE AGENDA.
HAVING HEARD DONE, UH, WE WILL PRESS
[Application No. UP-1021-23, LA Tint: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 12, No. 4) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize an auto body service establishment (window tinting) within the Schroeder Center shopping center located at 1900 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17). The 1.7-acre parcel (GPIN S03d-4070- 0367) is zoned GB (General Business) and is designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan.]
ON TO, UH, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND I'M GONNA, UH, THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.UM, AND WE HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS TONIGHT, TWO OF WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED TOGETHER, BUT VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
UM, FIRST STEP IS UP 10 21, 23 FOR LA TENT, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A AUTO BODY SERVICE SHOP, WHICH IS REALLY JUST A, UH, WINDOW TINTING DETAILING SHOP, UM, AT 1900 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
UM, OUTLINED HERE IN BLUE, UH, 1900.
UH, THIS SURROUNDING AREA IS GENERAL BUSINESS, UH, AND BACKS UP TO TAB LAKES, WHICH IS THE R 20, UH, THAT SITS BEHIND IT THERE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, TO THE NORTH HAS, IS, IS A VACANT PARCEL.
UM, TO THE EAST IS THE TABLETS, UM, HOMEOWNERS, UH, HOUSES THERE.
THE BACKUP TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, TO THE SOUTH IS CUSTOM CAR CARE.
AND THEN ACROSS ROUTE 17, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, OLD DOMINION FLOORING, UM, AND AN, UH, VACANT TENANT, UH, MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO OCCUPY THIS UNIT HERE.
UH, IT'S ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET.
UM, OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER INCLUDE A PORTABLE SPA, SHOWROOM, A RESTAURANT, AND A TOBACCO STORE.
UH, THE PROPOSED USE, I SAID, DOES FALL UNDER AUTOBODY WORK, BUT IT IS REALLY JUST VEHICLE TINTING, UH, APPLIED WITH SOAP AND WATER.
UH, BASICALLY THE CARS COME IN, THEY'RE THERE FOR A FEW DAYS, UM, AND THEY DO ALL THE WORK INSIDE THE SHOP.
I'LL SHOW YOU THE GARAGE DOOR AT THE BACK OF THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, HE DOES EVERYTHING INSIDE.
UH, NOTHING WILL BE OUTSIDE OTHER THAN THE CARS MAY BE PARKED OUT THERE FOR, UM, A DAY OR SO.
UH, SO HERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE GARAGE DOOR THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS JUST UTILIZING THE SPACE THERE.
UM, SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 44 PARKING SPACES FOR THE SCHROEDER CENTER.
UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS 54 SPACES.
UH, SO THIS IS WELL WITHIN COMPLIANCE.
UH, THE NEAREST HOME IS 165 FEET AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE RETAIL CENTER, UM, SHOWN BY THE RED ARROW THERE.
AND THERE'S ABOUT AN 80 FOOT, UM, AREA OF VEGETATION.
UM, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL DISH TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, UH, BUT THEY DO HAVE A, UH, OVER 80 FEET OF, UH, MATURE WOODS, UM, BACK THERE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A BOARD ON BOARD, UH, PRIVACY FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG THE TAB LAKES PROPERTY.
PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE IN THERE IS THE WORK SHALL ONLY OCCUR IN DOORS.
UH, GARAGE DOOR MUST BE CLOSED, AND ALL NOISE MUST BE WITHIN THE UNIT.
UH, VEHICLES CAN ONLY BE STORED AND DROPPED OFF FOR 72 HOURS, UH, NO LONGER THAN THREE DAYS.
BASICALLY, UH, NO STORAGE OF ANY KIND OF PARTS OUTSIDE OF THE UNIT.
AND, UM, COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, THE VIRGINIA FIRE CODE IS REQUESTED BY OUR DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.
UH, THE, UH, AS I SAID, THIS IS A MOTOR VEHICLE USE, BUT IT'S NOT A HEAVY USER.
UH, PUTTING TINTING ON WINDOWS ISN'T, UH, TOTALLY, UM, OBJECTIONABLE, UH, BUT IT FALLS IN THAT CATEGORY WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, WE THINK THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL, UH, SAFEGUARD THE ADJACENT NO, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE THE, IN THE RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATION, UH, WE DID SEND THIS OUT TO THE H O A FOR TABLET LAKES, AND THEY HAD NO OBJECTIONS.
UM, THE USES IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT IN THE GB AREA, UM, AND WE FEEL LIKE IT, AND THERE ARE STIPULATIONS WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, AND WE HAVE GIVEN YOU RESOLUTION PC 23 DASH 22.
UM, MR. HANH IS HERE TONIGHT, AND HE'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
OFFICER, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER STAFF? I'M GOOD.
HAVING HEARD, NONE, UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
DID YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
UH, I LIVE AT 1 2 7 JOHN ROLF DRIVE.
THAT'S IN NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
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DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT MY BUSINESS OR? OH, YEAH.SO I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
SO ALL THAT WAS IN, UH, CALIFORNIA.
I, UH, MOVED OUT HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, AND I WAS PLANNING TO OPEN UP A SHOP WHEN I FIRST CAME, BUT COULDN'T FIND ANY SPACES AVAILABLE.
SO I, I FINALLY FOUND A SPACE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING AT ANOTHER SHOP, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 25 YEARS, SO I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT PLANNING TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLODE THE BUSINESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE DONE BY MYSELF PRIMARILY.
UH, SO MAYBE TWO MAX THREE CARS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I COULD MAYBE DO FIVE, SIX CARS A DAY, BUT I'M KIND OF OLD NOW, SO I COULD ONLY DO LIKE TWO, THREE CARS A DAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR, FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST, JUST ONE OUT OF CURIOSITY.
UM, WHAT ARE THE RULES AND KIND OF, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO TENT SAY THE DRIVER'S WINDOW THESE DAYS, OR? WELL, THE LAW HERE IS, UH, 50% ON THE, THE FRONT SIDES, WHICH IS LIKE REALLY LIGHT.
SO THE BIGGER, THE NUMBER OF LIGHTER THE FILM, AND THEN THE LIMIT ON THE BACK IS 35%.
THAT'S FOR, UH, UH, TWO DOOR OR FOUR DOOR CAR.
UH, IF IT'S A TRUCK OR MINIVAN, YOU COULD HAVE IT AS DARK AS YOU'D LIKE IN THE BACK, BUT THE FRONT SIDE, IT HAS TO BE 50%, WHICH IS ALMOST CLEAR.
BUT THEY DID CHANGE THE LAW, I BELIEVE, THIS SHEAR WHERE THE, THE POLICE CANNOT PULL YOU OVER JUST FOR THE WINDOW TINT, SO THEY HAVE TO PULL YOU OVER FOR SOMETHING ELSE FIRST, AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE YOU A TICKET FOR THE WINDOW TINT, BUT NOT, THEY CAN'T PULL YOU OVER JUST FOR THE WINDOW TINT.
SO, AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING IS TINTING WINDOWS.
UH, WELL NOW HEAR FROM, UH, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THE APPLICATION FROM THE AUDIENCE.
UH, HAVING HEARD NONE, I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR OPEN DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
THE ONLY OBJECTION I HAVE, AND IT'S NOT REALLY OBJECTION, IS AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITIES ALONG GEORGE WASHINGTON BOULEVARD.
I THINK WE HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M TORN BETWEEN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD LAND USE SCHROEDER.
UH, THEY NEED IT THERE 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY SPACES.
BUT IF IT WAS NOT THE CASE, I WOULD BE VOTING AGAINST THIS BECAUSE OF THE, A AUTOMOBILE REPAIR FACILITY ON GEORGE WASHINGTON.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, UH, USE OF THE FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S A COM COMPATIBLE USE, UH, FOR THAT FACILITY.
AND THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE H O A THAT'S ADJOINING THE FACILITY.
SO, UM, AT, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I RECOMMEND, UH, WE FORWARD THE RESOLUTION PC 23 DASH 22 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THE MOTION BY MR. KING IS TO ADOPT PC 23 DASH 22 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN AUTO BODY SERVICE SHOP LOCATED AT 1900 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.
MS. ALITO, I'LL GET A CLOSER TO MY MIC.
[Application Nos. YVA-51-23 and YVA-52-23, G-Square, Inc.: Request for Yorktown Village Activity approval, pursuant to Section 24.1-327(b) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the expansion of the outdoor dining area between the existing restaurants and the establishment of a new restaurant on three parcels with a combined area of 0.8 acre (GPINs P12d3084-0882, P12d-3135-0800, and P12d-3237-0683) located at 524, 528, and 540 Water Street (Route 1002). The property is zoned YVA (Yorktown Village Activity) and is designated Yorktown in the Comprehensive Plan.]
TWO APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TOGETHER, UM, FOR THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE.AND WE'LL NOTE THAT THEY WILL BE VOTED ON SEPARATELY.
ONE IS TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPANSION OF OUTDOOR DINING BETWEEN LARRY'S LEMONADE AND YORKTOWN PUB.
AND A SECOND IS TO E ESTABLISHMENT OF A RESTAURANT ON THREE PARCELS.
UH, A STATEMENT BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THESE APPLICATIONS, UH, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THESE APPLICATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE BEFORE BEING BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S A GROUP OF HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE CHARTER IT IS.
I QUOTE FROM PART OF THE ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, APPEARANCE, AND
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ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY, AND TO STABILIZE AND IMPROVE PROPERTY VALUES BY ENCOURAGING DESIRABLE USES AND FORMS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.SPECIFICALLY, THEY EMPLOY SENSITIVITY TO SPECIFIC SETS OF APPROVED GUIDELINES AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND I POINT THIS OUT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS MADE TO THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT BUILDING DESIGNS, BUILDING APPEARANCE MATERIALS, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT THESE CONCERNS, UH, HAVE BEEN HEARD BY AND ACTED UPON BY OUR OWN COUNTY SPECIAL COMMITTEE, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS, UH, RATHER THAN READDRESS THEM AT THIS HEARING.
THE COMMISSION RESPECTS THE DECISIONS MADE BY THAT BODY, UM, THAT IS FULLY VESTED IN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I BELIEVE THE DIS THE STAFF WILL DISCUSS SOME OF THE POINTS FROM THAT.
AND THAT COMMITTEE IS MEETING AGAIN ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
I BELIEVE THEY MET ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
THEY'LL MEET NEXT WEDNESDAY THE MEETING.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE COMMISSION CAN REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS.
THEY, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CANNOT ACT ON THEM BEFORE THE COMMITTEE MAKES THEIR APPROVAL.
SO AS, UH, MR. SMITH SAID THE, THERE'S TWO APPLICATIONS, Y V A 51 DASH 23, AND 52 DASH 23 SUBMITTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, G SQUARE INCORPORATED.
UM, IT'S FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA AND A NEW RESTAURANT, UM, AT THE, UH, WATER STREET LOCATIONS, 5 2 4 5 2 8 AND 5 4 0.
I'M JUST GONNA GO JUST KIND OF QUICKLY.
WATER STREET HAS BEEN, UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT WITH WATER STREET IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, LAST YEAR.
AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, SPECIFICALLY TO TRY TO MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT WATER STREET AREA.
THE COUNTY HIRED A CONSULTANT WHO CAME IN.
HE MET WITH, UM, RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE, UM, ARE ON WATER STREET IN THE SECTION BETWEEN REED STREET AND BALLARD STREET.
SO THAT'S THE YORKTOWN BEACH HOTEL, LARRY'S LEMONADE, UM, THE PUB, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, G SQUARE, PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE HOTEL, THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ABOVE, UM, MRS. CRAMS AND THEN THE GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
UM, AND THEN AS WELL, THEY HAD SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET INPUT ON THE PLANS CONSULTANT CAME UP WITH SOME DRAWINGS AND, AND PUT THEM FORWARD, UM, TO THE COUNTY IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SO THE COUNTY JUST HAS STARTED TO ACT ON THESE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.
UH, WE'VE STARTED A TRAFFIC STUDY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC IN, IN THE VILLAGE AREA.
UH, SO WE WANTED TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT.
SO WE HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY UNDERWAY NOW.
UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY WAS LOOKING AT, UM, OFFLOADING SPACES ON WATER STREET, UH, FOR THE BEACH AND FOR, UM, THE COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE, AS WELL AS THE CHURCH STREET STAIRS LANDSCAPING.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF ALL THIS.
AN EXTENSION OF THE WATER LINE DOWN REED STREET.
AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WATER STREET PARKING AND, UH, BDOT AND HOW THEY'VE, UM, REACTED.
SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, HAS TAKEN MEASUREMENTS SINCE JULY.
AND THEN THE, UH, CONSULTANT, UH, THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, UH, THAT THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER THAT'S DOING IT NOW IS WORKING UP A REPORT NOW AT MEASURED TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUTTA THE VILLAGE, AS WELL AS ALL THE ROADWAYS WITHIN THE VILLAGE, UM, TRYING TO GET, UH, DIFFERENT KINDS OF CIRCULATION, UH, MEASUREMENTS THERE.
AND SO WE ARE CURRENTLY AWAITING THAT REPORT.
UH, THIS IMAGE IS OUT OF THE, WHAT THE CONSULTANT GAVE US.
UM, THEY DID THE DESIGN FOR WATER STREET, AND I'M POINTING OUT THE THREE CIRCLED AREAS AS BEACH BUMP OUTS.
SO THESE ARE AREAS ON THE BEACH SIDE OF WATER STREET WHERE PEOPLE COULD PULL IN.
AND I'D SAY THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S ONE FOR OFFLOADING AND UNLOADING.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS PROBLEMATIC DOWN THERE IS WHEN THE RESTAURANTS GET THEIR DELIVERIES, THE TRUCKS MIGHT BE BLOCKING A PORTION OF THE ROAD.
UH, SO TAKING THAT TRAFFIC OFF OF THERE, UM, WAS REALLY, UM, SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT, UM, GETTING SOME DESIGN WORK DONE.
I ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE CHURCH STREET STAIRS.
SO THIS IS THE STAIRS THAT COME BETWEEN THE HOTEL AND, UH, LARRY'S LEMONADE.
SO THIS IS A DESIGN THAT, UM, ASHLEY, WHO IS OUR, UM, LANDSCAPE PERSON HERE IN THE VILLAGE AREA, HAS PUT TOGETHER, UM, AND INCORPORATES PLANTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR THE BEACH, UH, WILL LAST LONGER.
WE'LL PROVIDE SOME BEAUTIFICATION AS WELL AS SOME SCREENING OF LARRY'S LEMONADE FROM THE STAIRCASE AND FROM, UH, THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE ABOVE.
AND THEN I TALKED ABOUT THAT WATERLINE EXTENSION.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT, UM, RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE CEMETERY ON REED STREET THERE, UM, INTO THE THERE.
SO, UH, THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT EXTENDING THAT WATERLINE DOWN TO THE BEACH.
UH, WE, WE WANTED TO PUT A SHOWER STATION DOWN AT THAT END OF THE BEACH, UH, FOR A WHILE.
THIS WILL DO THAT, BUT IT WILL ALSO IMPROVE SERVICES TO THE COMMERCIAL, UM, ENTITIES THAT ARE ON WATER STREET AND TAKE SOME
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OF THAT PRIVATE, UM, LINES THAT ARE UP IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND REMOVE THEM FROM THAT SO THAT THEY DON'T, AREN'T BOTHERED BY THE COMMERCIAL USES ANYMORE.SO, JUST JUMPING INTO THE APPLICATION HERE, THIS IS THE THREE PARCELS IN RED.
I SAID 5 24, 5 28, AND FIVE 40, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE LARRY'S LEMONADE AND THE PUB PROPERTY.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO EXPAND THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS AND ESTABLISH A NEW RESTAURANT ON THE NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF REED STREET AND WATER.
SO THE PROPERTY IN, UH, THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA ACTIVITY AREA, UM, IS A, IS, SORRY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY, THE Y V A AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES YORKTOWN AS A HISTORICAL VILLAGE WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC, UM, REFERENCES TO LAND USES.
SO ANY NEW LAND USE OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THEIR REVIEW.
UH, THE Y VA'S ZONING ALLOWS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES RANGING FROM, AS I SAID, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO, UH, BED AND BREAKFAST, TO TOWN HOMES, RETAIL BUSINESSES, OFFICES, INSTITUTIONAL USES, AND APARTMENTS.
SO A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF USES.
THE SURROUNDING USES FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, ARE THE YORKTOWN BEACH HOTEL, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE.
THE, UH, TO THE, UM, TO THE OTHER SIDE IS THE ARCHER PARKING LOT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ABOVE ON THE BLUFF IS THE, UM, THREE RESIDENCES, UH, TWO OWNED BY MRS. CRAS, AND THEN THE OTHER OWNED BY GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WALL STREET IS, IS THE YORKTOWN BEACH.
THE SUBJECT PAR PARCELS ARE OCCUPIED BY THE TWO RESTAURANTS, YORKTOWN PUB, WHICH IS ABOUT 1900 SQUARE FEET, AND LARRY'S LEMONADE, WHICH IS ABOUT ANOTHER, UH, UH, 2000 SQUARE FEET.
LARRY'S LEMONADE WAS APPROVED FOR AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA OF ABOUT 400 SQUARE FEET IN JUNE OF 2018.
UH, RIGHT NOW A GRAVEL AREA EXISTS BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS, WHERE, ALONG WITH THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE TWO RESTAURANTS THEMSELVES, YOU CAN PARK ABOUT 32, UM, CARS OUT THERE IN UNDESIGNATED, UH, PARKING AREAS, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS.
AND IN FRONT OF THEM, UH, THE PUB CURRENTLY HAS AN UNAPPROVED OUTDOOR DINING AREA THAT IS UNDER A TENT, WHICH WAS USED DURING C OVID 19 RESTRICTIONS AND WAS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS UNTIL SPRING OF 2024, AS LONG AS PLANS WERE PROVIDED TO, TO GET RID OF THE TENT EVENTUALLY, AND, AND DO SOME KIND OF, UM, BRING SOME KIND OF PLAN FORWARD AS THEY ARE NOW.
SO THIS IS, UH, JUST PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN SEE LARRY'S LEMONADE HERE.
CHURCH STREET STAIRS ARE ON THE RIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENCES ABOVE.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS PARKING AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTDOOR, UH, DINING AREA THAT LARRY'S LEMONADE HAS.
AGAIN, THE RESIDENCE IS ABOVE.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE DUMPSTER CURRENT LOCATION CURRENTLY HERE, WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY BE MOVED WITH THIS PLAN.
AND THEN THIS IS STANDING AT THE INTERSECTION OF REED STREET.
YOU'RE LOOKING UP ON THE HILL WHERE YOU'LL SEE WHEN I GET TO THOSE DRAWINGS, YOU'LL SEE THE NEW RESTAURANT WILL BE LOCATED.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND, THE THREE RESIDENCE IS UP ON THE BLUFF.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, THE PLANS THAT SHOW ABOUT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, DECK TERRACE, WHICH THEY'RE CALLING A BOARDWALK, CONNECTING THE TWO RESTAURANTS.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S LABELED RAISED BOARDWALK HERE BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, THE BOARDWALK CONSISTS ABOUT 1,980 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING, UM, AND UNDER ROOF BARS AT EACH END, ALONG WITH SUNSHADES AND A D A COMPLIANT RESTROOMS. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO ESTABLISH A NEW RESTAURANT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE AT THE, UH, REED SEAT, UH, REED STREET AND WATER STREET INTERSECTION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PUB.
UH, IT'S ABOUT A 4,100 SQUARE FOOT, UH, RESTAURANT ON THE HILLSIDE.
UH, THE NEW RESTAURANT PROVIDE THREE SEASON, UH, DINING ON A WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE BEING AT GRADE ON REED STREET.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES OF HOW THE GRADE DIFFERENCE IS.
UH, THIS IS A DRAWING OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS DELINEATES THE PARKING AND, AND PROPOSES A, UH, SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF REED STREET, WHICH WILL PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
UM, IT'LL BE PAVED PARKING SPACES.
UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO MOVE THE DUMPSTER, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE, ALL THE WAY AROUND HERE TO REED STREET, TO AN ENCLOSED AREA, UH, UNDER ROOF, UH, WHERE THE DUMPSTER WILL SIT.
SO, UH, MR. SMITH TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE HISTORIC YORK NINE DESIGN COMMITTEE, UM, BEFORE ANY Y V A APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, THAT DOES NOT PREVENT IT FROM COMING TO THE
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PLANTING COMMISSION.THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN STILL REVIEW IT AND MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, CURRENTLY, THE, UM, APPLICANT DID SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR BOTH THE BOARDWALK AND THE RESTAURANT TO THE H Y D C.
THEY REVIEWED IT ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE DID APPROVE THE BOARDWALK.
UM, THEY TABLED THE REQUEST FOR THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SEE, UM, THE VIEWS FROM THE RIVERVIEW HOME, WHICH IS THE GRACE EPISCOPAL HOME.
UH, THEY WANTED TO, UH, THE GRACE EPISCOPAL, UM, CHURCH WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THE APPLICANT AGREED TO DO SOME RENDERINGS, UM, THAT SHOWED THE VIEW FROM, FROM THERE.
AND SO THAT'LL GO BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ON OCTOBER 18TH, WHICH IS NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ESTABLISH THIS LARGE DINING AREA, UM, UTILIZING THE BOARDWALK IN THE SPACE WITH THE RESTAURANT'S.
WRAPAROUND PORCH OUTDOOR DINING HAS BEEN ON THE SITE SINCE 2018.
IT WAS APPROVED FOR 400 SQUARE FEET AT LARRY'S LEMONADE AND WAS DONE ALL THROUGH C OVID 19 UP UNTIL TODAY.
PRESENT DAY, WHICH IS STILL GOING ON OUT, OUTDOOR DINING IS STILL GOING ON.
UH, THE PROPOSAL SEEKS TO ADD ANOTHER, UM, THIS 1,980 SQUARE FEET OF DINING AREA BETWEEN THE RESTAURANTS AND THEN ANOTHER 1,020 THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE BATHROOMS, HANDICAP RAMPS, THE DUMPSTER, UM, AREA, AND WHICH IS ADJACENT TO, UM, LARRY'S, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT IN THE PICTURE HERE, BUT IT'S OFF TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UH, STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT THAT NOISE AND ACTIVITY COULD IMPACT THE, UH, THREE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE BLUFF TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
SO A PROPOSED CONDITION HAS BEEN INCLUDED TO REQUIRE EVERGREEN PLANT SCREENING TO BE INSTALLED BEHIND THE, THE RESTAURANTS AND THE PROPOSED, UH, BOARDWALK AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER CONDITION HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO LIMIT HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS AREA.
UM, UM, AND THEY HAD SCREENED IN PORCH AREA FOR THE RESTAURANT, UM, TO LAST SEATING AT NINE 30 WITH LIGHTS TO BE REDUCED TO ONLY SECURITY LIGHTING, UM, AND ALL ACTIVITY DECEASED BY 11:00 PM AND SO THAT IS A CONDITION WITHIN THE RESOLUTIONS, BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
LASTLY, THE INTERIOR PROPERTY LINES WILL NEED TO BE VACATED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED USES AND TIE THE SITE INTO A, UM, SINGLE DEVELOPMENT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE, UM, MINIMUM SETBACK, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT REQUIRE MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACKS FOR DEVELOPMENTS IN YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA.
UM, HOWEVER, YARDS AND SETBACKS SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
DIMENSION DETERMINED TO BE, UH, BY THE BOARD TO ENSURE ADEQUATE EMERGENCY ACCESS, LIGHT AIR TO PROTECT AND VALUE THE UTILIZATION OF THE PRO PROPERTY AND MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE, WITH THE RED CIRCLES HERE, THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY IS SET BACK 15 OR THE NEW RESTAURANT'S 15 FEET FROM WATER STREET AS IT CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, AND 10 FEET, UH, WHERE THE BOARDWALK IS, AND THEN FI ANOTHER 10 FEET ON THE REED STREET SIDE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS TO MAIN REMAIN UNDEVELOPED, UM, AND CAN BE LANDSCAPED.
UH, WHY YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES 25% OF OPEN SPACE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENTS IN YORKTOWN.
SO WITH A COMBINATION OF THE PARCELS TOGETHER AND THIS OPEN SPACE, THEY'LL HAVE ABOUT 47 SQUARE, UH, 47% OF THE LOT WILL BE IN OPEN SPACE, SO ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE.
ADDITIONALLY, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, EVERGREEN SCREENING.
WE, WE FEEL LIKE SOME KIND OF SCREENING NEEDS TO BE PUT BEHIND THE BOARDWALK TO HELP PREVENT NOISE AND SOUND AND LIGHT.
UM, SO WE ARE PUT A REQUIREMENT IN THERE FOR, UM, A STAGGERED ROWS OF EVERGREEN TREES WITH BRANCHING TO THE GROUND, UH, PLANTING AT SIX FEET HIGH WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED.
UM, THAT WON'T GO MORE THAN 15 FEET AND HEIGHT OF MATURITY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BLOCK THE VIEWS OF THOSE RESIDENTS.
WE JUST WANT IT TO GROW UP ON THE HILL SO THAT IT PROVIDES SOME SCREAMING FOR THEM.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WHICH SHOWS, UH, LANDSCAPING ON THE RETAINING WALL ABOVE, AND THEN LANDSCAPING OUT FRONT.
UH, THEY DID NOT ADDRESS, UH, LANDSCAPING ON THE HILLSIDE.
UH, BUT THAT WILL BE, THAT IS PART OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, PUT IN THERE.
SO FOR THE REST, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, UM, AS I SHOWED YOU, UM, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S SITTING ON THE HILL.
SO AT GRADE FROM WATER STREET, IT'S UP ABOVE A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE ENTRANCE HAS BEEN PUT ON REED STREET TO PROVIDE MORE OF AN A D A ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE THERE.
UM, THE PROPOSED HEIGHT FOR THE RESTAURANT IS 24 FEET, NINE INCHES FROM THE SIDEWALK SHOWN HERE IN FRONT OF, UM, ON WATER STREET TO THE MIDPOINT, THE HIGHEST GABLE, WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE SAYS.
UH, THE ROOFTOPS IN THE, UM, BOARDWALK AREA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE DOWN ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND, RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, ARE 14 FEET, SIX
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INCHES, UM, AND ALMOST MATCH THE SAME ROOF HEIGHT OF THE PUB AND LARRY'S LEMONADE.UH, THE Y V A DISTRICT REQUIRES NO MORE THAN 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO THEY ARE BELOW, UM, WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UH, LIGHTING FOR DEVELOPMENTS, UM, ARE CONTROLLED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT SAYS ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING SHALL BE DESIGNED, INSTALLED, MAINTAINED TO PREVENT UNREASONABLE OR OBJECTIONABLE GLARE ONTO ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAYS AND PROPERTIES, AND SHALL INCORPORATE THE USE OF FULL CUTOFF LUMINARY FIXTURES DESIGNED TO LIMIT INTENSITY AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO 0.1 FOOT CANDLES VERY SMALL WHEN THEY'RE ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T SHOWN WHAT THEIR LIGHTING PLAN IS, NO MATTER WHAT THEY PROPOSE, UM, THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE, IT CANNOT BE OVER 0.1 FOOT CANDLES.
UM, WITH THE ADJACENT DWELLINGS, WE PUT A, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS PART OF THIS, UM, PIECE.
WE NOTICED THAT IN THE BOARDWALK AREA, THEY HAD STRING LIGHTING SHOWN, UM, AND A LOT, SOME OF IT WASN'T UNDER THE SAILS OR UNDER THE ROOF.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT A CONDITION IN THERE THAT ALL LIGHTING HAS TO BE UNDER EITHER ROOF OR UNDER A SALE, SO THAT THAT LIGHTING DOESN'T GO UP INTO THE, UM, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AS I SAID EARLIER, UM, APPROXIMATELY 32 PARKING SPACES EXIST BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS ON AN UNMARKED GRAVEL AREA.
UM, IT EXTENDS PRETTY MUCH FROM WATER STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE STAIRCASE ENTRANCE.
SO I WENT BACK AND TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT OUR OLDEST AERIAL PHOTO WAS, WHERE IT KIND OF SHOWED IT.
1974, YOU CAN SEE THE BRIDGE UP THERE.
IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT I ZOOMED IN.
BUT YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THE RESTAURANTS HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE CARS PARKED ALONG IN FRONT OF THEM.
UM, SO 1974, SINCE 1974, PARKING HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH AS IT IS TODAY.
UM, THIS, UH, EXPANSION WILL IMPROVE THE PARKING.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 71 PARKING SPACES.
UH, THEY'RE SHOWING 33 SPACES ON HERE.
UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW, UM, A, UH, PARKING AGREEMENT WHERE AN ARRANGEMENT, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS ONE IS, UH, IT SHOWS A DELINEATED SIDEWALK, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ON THAT SIDE FOR A WHILE.
UH, IT SHOWS WELL MARKED PARKING RATHER THAN JUST A GRAVEL OPEN LOT.
AND V O HAS REVIEWED THIS AND THEY FEEL, UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, THEY WOULD WANT THE APPLICANT TO PURCHASE BACK RIGHT OF WAY ENOUGH TO ESTABLISH THE PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN THEY WOULD MAINTAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF WATER WHAT'S LEFT OF WATER STREET.
SO THERE IS A SOLUTION, UM, THAT DDOT WOULD BE OPEN TO ALLOWING THIS PARKING TRAFFIC IMPACT.
UH, THE TWO EXISTING RESTAURANTS RIGHT NOW HAVE ABOUT 362 VEHICLE TRIPS TODAY WITH THE ADDITION OF THE EXPANSION AND RESTAURANT THAT GOES UP TO 924, ABOUT A 40% INCREASE IN TRIPS WITH THOSE NEW EXPANSIONS.
PEAK HOUR FOR THOSE WOULD BE IN THE MORNING, 8:00 AM NOT MUCH GOING ON IN THE EVENING.
85 TRIPS DURING THE PEAK HOUR.
THAT'S BETWEEN FOUR AND 6:00 PM UM, WATER STREET, CURRENT WATER STREET AND REED RETREAT CURRENTLY HAS ABOUT 1300 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.
SO THIS WOULD ADD A, A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC TO IT.
UM, BUT THE WOULD NOT OVERBURDEN THE, UH, THAT AREA.
AND SKIP THE PARKING ONE, SORRY.
SO THE PARKING, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN'T, UH, SUBMIT ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AGREEMENT TO UTILIZE, UH, PARKING THROUGHOUT THE, UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED TO, UH, MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO UTILIZE THE PUBLIC PARKING SPACES THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY.
THERE'S 16 LOTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UH, ABOUT 1445 PARKING SPACES TOTAL IN THESE PUBLIC LOTS.
UM, AND WITH THE TROLLEY CIRCULATING, IT'S A, THE, THE ABILITY TO MOVE PEOPLE AROUND YORKTOWN, UM, IS THERE.
UM, AND SO THAT IS, THERE IS A CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTIONS TO ALLOW THAT PARKING ARRANGEMENT, UM, AS WE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE BOARD CREATED YORKTOWN, UM, TO RECOGNIZE, UM, THE INTERRELATEDNESS OF ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE, THE HISTORIC PIECES, THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES, AND THE COMMERCIAL PIECES.
UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE PROVIDES A DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN THERE, DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES.
AND AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, ANY NEW USE HAS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH THIS, THIS IS, UM, THAT METHOD, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS,
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UH, VASTLY IMPROVES, UH, WHAT'S DOWN THERE NOW, MAKING IT A MUCH NICER LOOKING DEVELOPMENT.THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPE SCREENING, HOURS OF OPERATION LIGHTING LIMITATIONS SHOULD LIMIT THE IMPACTS TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON THE BLUFF AND ONCE IMPLEMENTED, WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS THAT AREN'T PRESENT TODAY FOR THEM.
UM, THE, THIS USE, UM, ALSO SERVES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD'S OBJECTIVES FOR ENHANCEMENT OF TOURISM, PROVIDING, UM, A VARIETY OF AND RANGE OF VISITOR ATTRACTIONS AVAILABLE TO, UM, ON THE WA YORKTOWN WATERFRONT.
AND ADDITIONALLY, AS I SAID, THE TROLLEY CIRCULATION AND ADJACENT PUBLIC PARKING BEING AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE, A PARKING AGREEMENT CAN BE ARRANGED WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE REQUIRED ADDITIONAL PARKING, UH, THROUGHOUT THE VILLAGE.
UM, I WILL NOTE, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE YOUNG, THE WOMAN THAT, UH, BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION IN BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
UM, WE HAVE AN ERROR IN, UM, AT THE VERY END ON, IN THE 20, UH, 23 DASH 24.
WE HAVE, IT WAS AN OLD ONE WE WERE USING.
SO WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE 24 TO, UM, EXPANDED DINING AREA USE, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN IN, UH, 25, IT'S NUMBER FIVE, UH, REMOVE TOURIST HOME AND, AND MAKE THAT RESTAURANT USE.
UH, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THEM WITH THE CONDITIONS AS THEY'RE STATED IN THE RESOLUTION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT IS HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU ALSO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE, UH, I KNOW YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE WATER COMING DOWN THE WATER LINE.
IS THERE ANY POWER IMPACTS, SEWER IMPACTS AT ALL IN THAT AREA? I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL ALREADY SERVED BY ELECTRICAL AND SEWER.
I THINK WATER IS, UH, VERY LOW POWER THERE.
OR, UM, THE FORCE OF IT IS NOT VERY HIGH THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TERM IS.
PRESSURE PRESSURE IS NOT VERY HIGH, HIGH, UH, DOWN THERE.
AND CURRENTLY THE, THE MAIN WATER METERS ARE UP IN MRS. CRA'S PROPERTY.
AND SO THIS WOULD REMOVE THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY TO MOVE IT DOWN OUT OF HER PROPERTY SO THAT SHE WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY METER READERS AND PROBLEMS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THE SECOND ONE ON THE PARKING, I KNOW WATER STREET, IT GETS KIND OF TRAFFIC GOING BOTH WAYS AND PEOPLE WALKING BETWEEN AND EVERYTHING.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO, TO KIND OF ENSURE THAT, THAT, UH, CREW CABS FOUR BY FOURS, YOU KNOW, THE 20 FOOT VEHICLES AREN'T PARKED IN THESE PARKING SPOTS.
CAN THEY BE LIMITED TO EITHER MEDIUM OR SMALL KIND OF CARS? THE VEHICLES? I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU, YOU COULD ALWAYS TRY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEN SOMEBODY'S GOTTA POLICE IT.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT IT TO, YOU KNOW, THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
YOU COULD MAKE 'EM SIGN IT IF IT COULD BE LIMITED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SMALLER CARS.
I, I KNOW PEOPLE WILL IGNORE THAT SOMETIMES, BUT IT MAY BE JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP SOME OF THE TRAFFIC JAMMED THAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE A LARGE VEHICLE STICKING OUT THERE AND THEN TRYING TO GET OUT AND PEOPLE WALKING BY AND TRYING TO GET SQUEEZED BY IT AND EVERYTHING.
EVEN NOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF A PAIN TO GET BY THERE SOMETIMES.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE HARD TO ENFORCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A, A U YOU KNOW, A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
'CAUSE IT'D BE JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO CONTROL.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T CONTROL IT ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE PARK THAT WAY IN OUR GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS NOW, SO KNOW WE GOT DIFFERENT.
I KNOW IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN APPLY THAT AS A CONDITION.
I WOULD JUST SAY IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD GEN FORCE.
MY THIRD QUESTION THAT IT IS ALMOST COMICAL 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST A TYPO, BUT I, BUT I'M GOING TO SEE IF YOU, DID YOU READ THE, UH, I'M SURE YOU DID, LETTER FROM DIRE FROM THE LAWYERS? UH, YES.
ON THE FIFTH PAGE OF THAT, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, UH, JUST, I WANNA MAKE, I WANT CLARIFICATION FROM YOU THAT IT SOUGHT THIS.
IT SAYS, UH, BACK IN THERE, NOTHING LIKE THESE PLANS EXIST IN YORKTOWN, BLAH, BLAH, UH, SQUARE FOOT, RAISED BOARDWALK WITH DUAL OUTDOOR BARS AND OUTDOOR TOILETS THAT SEATS OVER 130 PEOPLE.
NOW WHEN I READ THAT, I STARTED LAUGHING BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S OUTSIDE TOILETS GONNA SEE 130 PEOPLE.
BUT, AND THE PLANS DON'T SHOW THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UH, BRING THAT UP TO MAKE SURE FROM YOU AND FROM WHOEVER THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE 130 TOILETS OUT THERE
I, I WOULD, UM, SAY THAT THAT IS CORRECT,
THAT'S ALL THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE HIM TO.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, MR. ANDERSON, FIRST OF ALL, ON ON ON YOUR NUMBER EIGHT, YOU SAY APPROXIMATELY 32 PARKING SPACES EXISTING AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, THE PROPOSED CONCEPT SHOWS 33 DELIN, UH, DELINEATE
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DELINEATED PARKING SPACES.I'M ASSUMING IT'S 33 REPLACING 32.
RIGHT NOW, UM, ACCORDING TO MR. TANNER WHO OWNS THE PUB, HE CAN PARK 32 SPACES ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE RESTAURANTS AND IN THAT GRAVEL AREA THAT'S NOT DOUBLE PARKING.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY HAVE ATTENDANCE OUT THERE AND THEY'LL DOUBLE PARK PEOPLE AND THEY CAN FIT EVEN MORE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, AN EXISTING PARKING IS 32, THE 33, BECAUSE THEY ADD THE TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES BACK OFF THE REED STREET SIDE.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY ONLY GETTING 31 ALONG WATER STREET WITH THE NEW DESIGN.
MY OTHER QUESTION WAS AROUND ARCHEOLOGY STUDIES.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING A RESTAURANT AND THAT APPEARS TO BE VIRGIN LAND OR, OR HASN'T HAD ANYTHING ON IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT IN THE, IN THE, UM, ORDINANCES FOR AN ARCHEOLOGY STUDY IN THAT AREA? WELL, THERE USED TO BE A HOTEL BEHIND THERE.
THAT'S THE, THE PAD SITE THAT'S BACK THERE THAT USED TO BE THE OLD HOTEL THAT SAT BEHIND IT.
I MEAN, IT SITS RIGHT BEHIND IT.
BUT YES, I MEAN, NO MATTER WHAT, IF YOU START DIGGING DIRT IN YOUR YORKTOWN, YOU HAVE TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE STIPULATES OUT THE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU FIND, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT COVERED AS PART OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS.
WELL, IT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO THERE'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT.
FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, A PARKING BUYBACK, UM, ABOUT WHO OWNS THE PARKING OR, OH, UM, SO V EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BETTER.
SO IN THE, UM, IN THE PLAN, YOU, UM, I COULD PROBABLY, LET ME PULL IT BACK UP, SEE IF I CAN FIND THE ONE THAT SHOWS IT.
YOU, THERE IS A PROPERTY LINE, UH, THAT DOESN'T SHOW THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO RIGHT HERE, SO YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE COMING DOWN, CIRCLES AROUND, COMES IN, IT COMES ACROSS MM-HMM.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S CUTTING BASICALLY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY AND MOST OF THE PARKING COMING HERE, AND NOW IT'S NOT EVEN ON THERE RIGHT IN THE PARKING AREA.
SO VDOT HAS SAID THAT THEY, UM, BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, IT, THEY WANT TO DO THE PARKING THIS WAY, WILL NEED TO PURCHASE BACK THIS RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE WAY OUT TO WATER STREET, UM, AND MAKE ALL OF THIS PART OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO HE WOULD'VE TO PURCHASE IT FROM BDOT, UM, UH, BACK FROM IT.
IS THAT SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY BY, HE WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE IT BACK.
BUT IT WOULD JUST BE WITH THE STATE.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS THE RAISED BOARDWALK, IS THAT SHARED BY THE TWO RESTAURANTS? YES, AS I, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ON IT.
BUT YES, THEY WOULD SPLIT THE, THE BOARDWALK, UH, THE, THE BAR ON THIS END WOULD SERVE THE LARRY'S RESTAURANT AND THE BAR ON THIS END SERVE THE PUB.
NEIL, I I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THE OUTDOOR, UH, SEATING WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 132.
UH, I THINK THAT YOU CITED THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING, EXISTING PA PATRON LOAD, IF YOU WILL, FROM BOTH LARRY'S AND THE PUB, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IN ESSENCE, WE'RE ADDING A TOTAL OF 300 MORE PEOPLE UTILIZING THIS SPACE AT MAXIMUM.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY TO GET THE WATER MAGNITUDE.
UH, REGARDING THE PARKING, YOU SAID THAT THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF BOTH PROPERTIES WOULD REQUIRE 71 MORE SPACES.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AND BOTH THE STAFF AND THE DEVELOPER ARE CITING USE, UTILIZING THE EXISTING 33 AS PART OF THAT NUMBER, BUT AREN'T THOSE EXISTING 33 ALREADY THERE BEING UTILIZED BY THE EXISTING? YES.
SO IN ESSENCE, DON'T THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER OVER 104 IN TOTAL? I MEAN, THE TOTAL IS LIKE 104, IS THAT THE RIGHT ADDITION? SO YEAH, THE TOTAL IS MUCH GREATER, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SERVING 'EM NOW.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT DOES ALLOW PARKING ARRANGEMENTS.
I MEAN, YORKTOWN'S KIND OF A SPECIAL PLACE.
UM, IT'S A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND SO WITH ALL THE PUBLIC PARKING AND THE TROLLEY CIRCULATING AND ALL THE NEW SIDEWALKS AND WALKABILITY, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO NOT CONSTRAIN THE PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVING TO PUT A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES ON HIS PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD MEAN DIGGING INTO THE, THE HILLSIDE AND PUTTING IT IN RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW.
AND SO, AND IN YOUR'S REVIEW, YOU, YOU THINK THAT WHAT WE HAVE EXISTING IN OTHER PARKING LOCATIONS UTILIZING THE TROLLEY AND WALKING WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THAT REQUIREMENT? WE DO.
AND THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SOME IDEAS ALSO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VALET SERVICE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, RUNNING SOME GOLF CORE CARTS, UM, THAT KIND OF THING TO TRY TO HELP WITH THOSE PIECES TOO.
SO I'LL LET THEM TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS CITED BY MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IS NOISE.
UM, AND THE CONDITION FOR ADDING THE EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING, CAN YOU CITE THE LEVEL OF NOISE
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REDUCTION THAT COULD BE EXPECTED BY DOING PLANT-BASED BARRIER VERSUS A PHYSICAL BARRIER? WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT AS A MEANS OF SUPPRESSING NOISE? I'M NOT AN ENGINEERUM, YOU KNOW, UH, EVERGREEN SCREENING, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE USE WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE TIME FOR TRANSITIONAL BUFFERS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND BUSINESS.
UH, THAT USUALLY PROVIDES A VERY SIGNIFICANT, UM, NOISE REDUCTION.
I, I, AS I SAID, I'M NOT A NOISE ENGINEER, SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE REDUCTION MIGHT BE.
IT'S JUST THE TOOL THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST.
SO NO CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN MADE TO PUT UP A, I WON'T SAY A WALL, BUT SOME OTHER PHYSICAL MEANS OF BLOCKING THE NOISE OR DIVERTING THE NOISE.
I MEAN, IF WE WERE TO PUT A WALL THERE, THEN WE MAY BE BLOCKING THE VIEWS OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS OF THE RIVER ITSELF.
UM, SO, UH, WE JUST TRYING TO AVOID THAT, MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
UM, AND, AND GREEN SEEMS TO BE NICER THAN A, A WALL OF SOME KIND.
ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
JUST, JUST, IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR HAVING CROSSWALKS, NOT THAT ANYBODY WOULD EVER USE 'EM IN THAT PART OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT, BUT CROSSWALKS BETWEEN THIS OR THIS, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE, AND THE BEACH? OH, YES.
UM, SO THE DESIGNATED CROSSWALKS, RIGHT.
THOSE WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THE COUNTY STARTS DOING THE WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BEACH SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING PROCESSES RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WORK UP TO THIS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LONG RANGE VISION IS TO HAVE VERY PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UM, LOCATION HERE TO MAKE IT VERY SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO WALK BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE STREET AND NOT HAVE TO WALK THROUGH A GRAVEL PARKING LOT WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, YOU CAN OF COURSE, CROSS OVER TO THE BEACH AND WALK THE BEACH SIDE, BUT THIS PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFER ENVIRONMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF, UH, WATER STREET.
UH, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WITH THE APPLICANT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UH, IF YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M PRESIDENT OF GUERNSEY TINGLE ARCHITECTS, UH, BASED IN JAMES CITY COUNTY.
MY HOME ADDRESS IS THREE 16, THE MAIN WEST IN WILLIAMSBURG, REPRESENTING G SQUARE AND OTHER MEMBERS OF MY TEAM TO MY LEFT, SITTING ON THE NEXT TO THE FRONT ROW.
UH, RYAN STEVENSON WITH A E S CONSULTING ENGINEERS, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, HEATHER HARMON FROM HENDERSON INC.
OUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND THE OWNER OF G SQUARE AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, GREG RANGER.
UM, MR. UH, ANDERSON DID A GREAT JOB OF KINDA WALKING YOU THROUGH THE, THE PROJECT.
SO I'VE GOT VERY SIMILAR SLIDES, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK TO ALL OF THEM.
BUT JUST TO REITERATE, UH, WE THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT VIBRANT, UH, ADDITION TO THE WATERFRONT AREA AND TO THE HISTORIC VILLAGE.
IT REALLY IS A, A PROPOSAL OF TWO PROJECTS.
IT'S THE RESTAURANT AND THE OPEN, UH, BOARDWALK.
IT'S REALLY A RAISED DECK ABOVE THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE IMAGES OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS AND, AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEING A GREEN SPACE.
PART OF THAT HILL YES, IS A GREEN SPACE.
AND, UH, AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, ARCHEOLOGY WILL BE REQUIRED.
WE HAVE, UH, STARTED TO ENGAGE AND REACH OUT TO ARCHEOLOGISTS AS THE NEXT STEP ONCE WE GET, UH, HOPEFULLY THROUGH, UM, UH, APPROVAL HERE AT THIS BOARD IN THE FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE YORKTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE.
UH, THERE WAS A HOTEL ON THAT SITE.
MR. GRANGER ACTUALLY REMOVED THAT IN 2018 IN ANTICIPATION OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS COMING ALONG.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD THE PANDEMIC IN BETWEEN, SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ACTIVITY OUT THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF VIEWS FROM ABOVE, AT AT ONE TIME IT WAS ACTUALLY IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN IT IS TODAY.
BUT AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT VISIBILITY EVEN BEYOND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
LOOKING AT THE SITE FROM THE TOP OF THE CHURCH STREET WALKWAY DOWN TO THE RIVERFRONT, YOU'RE LOOKING REALLY AT THE BACK OF, OF LARRY'S.
AND AS, UH, AS WAS INDICATED BEFORE, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THAT ARCHITECTURAL DECK THAT TIES THE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER WOULD NOT PROJECT ABOVE THE ROOF OF LARRY'S AND, AND THE PUB.
SO THE VIEWS THERE, AND THEN THE VIEWS AS WE HAD THE TWO OUTDOOR DINING AREAS.
NOW THE ONE AT THE PUB, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS, UH, THE AREA WILL BE CLEANED UP A LOT.
UH, FOLKS FROM ABOVE WON'T BE LOOKING DOWN INTO THAT DUMPSTER AREA, AS WELL AS PEDESTRIANS WALKING, UH, ALONG WATER STREET AND ALONG THE, THE RIVERFRONT.
UM, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, UM,
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I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE CREW CABS.THEY REALLY BLOCK TRAFFIC WHEN THEY BACK INTO THOSE PARKING SPACES.
UH, ACTUALLY, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AS PART OF A REVIEW LEADING UP TO HOPEFULLY WHAT WILL BE A SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL, IS THAT THE PARKING SPACES WILL NEED TO BE 20 FEET DEEP, WHICH IS A LITTLE DEEP DEEPER THAN WHAT YOU'RE FINDING IN A LOT OF PARKING LOTS NOW.
SO I THINK IT WILL HANDLE MAYBE NOT THE FULL CREW CAB, BUT HANDLE PARK, UH, PICKUP TRUCKS AND SO FORTH, UH, A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN SMALLER SPACES THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN, UH, IN TODAY'S PARKING LOTS.
UM, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING, AND I REALIZE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF THIS GROUP, BUT THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
UM, BUT WE REALLY TRIED TO, TO SCALE THE BUILDING TO A PEDESTRIAN RE RESIDENTIAL FIELD, WRAPAROUND PORT.
SO YES, IT IS A RESTAURANT THAT HAS A GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 4,100 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT DOESN'T COME OFF LOOKING LIKE A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S REALLY TRYING TO BREAK THE SIZE AND THE SCALE OF THE ROOF DOWN.
SO IT FITS WITH NOT JUST STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALONG WATER STREET, BUT STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC VILLAGE.
THE RAISED DECK IS, IS REALLY THREE FEET ABOVE GRADE.
SO WE WANTED TO GET ABOVE THE, THE, THE CARS THAT ARE IN WATER STREET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A RAISED DECK IS LIKE YOUR BACK DECK AT HOME.
THREE FEET IS JUST ABOVE GRADE.
IT'S WHAT WOULD BE TYPICAL ON A RESIDENCE.
AND WE'VE EVEN BLOCKED THAT BY PUTTING IN THESE MORAL STONE WALLS IN FRONT, KIND OF PICKING UP ON THE MORAL STONE THAT'S IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, THE HILL ITSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING, UH, SAILS AND COVERS OVER THE, THE BAR AREAS.
UM, CERTAINLY HE'S TRYING TO BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF THIS, THE QUESTION ABOUT FUNCTION.
YES, THIS WOULD BE USED BY BOTH RESTAURANTS.
THERE WOULD BE NO OUTSIDE COOKING IN THESE, SO YOU WOULD HAVE EFFECTIVELY A WET BAR ON EACH END.
THE KITCHENS FROM BOTH RESTAURANTS WOULD SERVE OUT TO, UH, THE DECK.
SO THAT BASICALLY, UH, THOSE, THE, THE FOOD SERVICE WOULD COME FROM EACH OF THE KITCHENS ON EACH END.
AND THE VIEWS AS, AS, UH, MR. ANDERSON SAID, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DESIGN A SPACE THAT, UM, ADDRESSES PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND PEDESTRIAN USE.
SO WE SEE A LOT OF WALK-UP TRAFFIC TO THIS, UH, THIS VENUE, ESPECIALLY THE OUTDOOR, UH, BOARDWALK.
UM, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE USED BY FOLKS THAT ARE AT THE BEACH AND, AND IN THE, THE, UH, YORKTOWN VILLAGE AREA ALREADY.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I COME DOWN TO YORKTOWN, UM, I DON'T LOOK FOR A PARKING PLACE, UH, DON'T EVEN GO WHEN I'M HEAD OF THE PUB.
I'M USUALLY AT THE, UH, UH, PARKING IN THE PARKING DECK ON THE UPPER OR LOWER OR DECK OR, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN UP IN YOUR CALL PARKING LOT, UH, AND, AND FIND MY WAY DOWN, SIMILAR TO THE WAY FOLKS ARE USING IT WHEN YOU HAVE WINE FESTIVALS AND CONCERTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES IN YORKTOWN.
AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE TRIED TO USE ARE BLENDING WITH RESIDENTIAL MATERIALS AND TRADITIONAL MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, WE HEARD AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING OF THE, UM, H Y D C WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF OF THE RESTAURANT FROM THE VIEW ABOVE.
SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, GOT IN TOUCH WITH THE FOLKS AT, UH, GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
UH, THEY INVITED US TO, UH, WALK THEIR PROPERTY.
THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH THAT WE TOOK, UH, AFTER THAT MEETING.
SO THIS IS LOOKING LITERALLY DOWN ON THE SITE FROM ABOVE.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THE COMMITTEE ASKED US IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE REDUCE THE PITCH OF THE ROOF SO THAT WE HAVE EVEN LESS IMPACT ON THOSE VIEWS FROM, UH, THE HOUSES ABOVE? THIS IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
AND THE IMAGE THAT, UM, THAT EARL SHOWED A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE MODELED THAT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE DRAWINGS FOR THE RIVER VIEW HOUSE SO THAT WE KNEW WHAT THAT, WHERE THAT WAS AND WHAT THE SCALE OF IT WAS.
SO THIS IS WHAT THAT ROOF WILL, WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE HAVE NOT TAKEN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS BACK IN FRONT OF, UH, GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH OR THE, UH, H Y B DC UH, BUT WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT ONE OPTION AS WE ARE ASKED BY THE COMMITTEE, IS MAYBE WE CAN REDUCE THE PITCH OF THE, THE MAIN ROOF AND THE SIDE ROOFS.
UM, SO THIS IS AN IMAGE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AGAIN, WE THINK STILL VERY ATTRACTIVE RESIDENTIAL IN SCALE, UH, A A BIT NAUTICAL IN ITS FEEL, UM, AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM ABOVE, REDUCING THE IMPACT AND SEEING ACTUALLY MORE OF THE BEACH, SOME OF THE CREPE MYRTLES, AND OBVIOUSLY THE VIEWS TO THE RIVER AND THE MOUTH, THE RIVER OUT TO THE BAY BEYOND.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, WE REALLY THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT ADDITION TO THE YORKTOWN, UH, WATERFRONT.
WE THINK IT IS AN ENHANCEMENT, IMPROVES THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE.
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STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF CONDITIONS ON THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING.CERTAINLY THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, AND THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.
UM, AND AS A REMINDER, WHAT, WHEN WE TOOK IT IN FRONT OF THE H Y D C, WE DID RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE DECK.
AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY'VE ASKED US TO COME BACK, WHICH WE ARE NEXT WEEK, TO LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF ON THE, ON THE RESTAURANT.
SO, UM, WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU SAID, UH, LARRY'S AS PART OF THIS AND THEY'VE AGREED TO, UM, TO THESE IMPROVEMENTS, I CAN IMAGINE THEY'RE PROBABLY GRATEFUL SOMEONE'S DOING SOMETHING NEXT TO THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THAT.
SO YOU'VE GOT AN AGREEMENT FROM THEM FOR THIS? YES.
AND, AND G SQUARED TO, TO BE, TO CLARIFY, UH, MR. GRANGER OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THE REAL ESTATE OF LARRY'S.
SO, SO I, I THINK, UH, RICK TANNER'S PROBABLY HERE, WHO, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE YORKTOWN PUB RESTAURANT BUSINESS AND OPERATOR OF THAT.
SO I THINK HE MIGHT BE, UH, BE SPEAKING WITH YOU, BUT I'M FINE.
UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE, BY THE RESIDENCE, UM, HAS BEEN THE NOISE ISSUE NOISE, UH, PERCOLATING UP ON THE BEACH AND, AND CERTAINLY FROM THE OUTDOOR, UH, DINING AREAS THAT CURRENTLY RESIDE THERE.
AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE, I'VE ASKED, I'VE CERTAINLY SPOKE WITH MR. GRANGER TODAY, I'M WONDERING WHETHER, WHETHER WE WOULD REPLACE THE, UM, THE SAILS WITH SOMETHING OF A MORE SUBSTANTIAL STRUCTURE THAT WOULD DEFLECT THE NOISE OUTWARD TOWARDS THE BEACH RATHER THAN UP THE HILL.
UH, SOME SORT OF AN EGGSHELL OR A CANOPY TYPE, UH MM-HMM.
WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THE A APPLICANT BE AMENABLE TO, UH, SUGGESTION LIKE THAT? AND WE, WE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THAT OPTION EARLY ON BEFORE WE CAME UP WITH THE, THE ROOFS ABOVE THE, UH, THE BAR AREAS AND THE SALES.
BUT I, I'LL DEFER TO MR. GRANGER IF HE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
UM, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER.
IF THAT WAS A CONDITION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO PUT ON THE, ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I PRESUME WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT ROOF LOOKS LIKE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE PRECEDENT OF STANDING SEA METAL ON THE, ON THE RESTAURANT BUILDING.
SO THAT, UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE UH, AN OPTION.
I THINK I'M THINKING ALL MY FEET.
THAT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE DANGEROUS FOR AN ARCHITECT TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD STILL WANNA KEEP THOSE ROOFS RELATIVELY LOW.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE UP ABOVE THE PUB AND, AND LARRY'S, SO I WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE A, AN A-FRAME ROOF, UH, A GABLE ROOF ON THERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S LOW THAT, UH, WOULD, UH, PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE PROTECTION OF, OF SOUND TRANS TRANSMITTING UP TO THE CHURCH AND THE HOUSES.
I JUST DID ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT YOU, YOU NOTED IN YOUR, UM, MATERIALS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO EXPLORE A VALET SERVICE, UH, FOR PEAK TIMES AND INCLEMENT WEATHER.
WHERE DO YOU PROPOSE THAT THE PARKING SPACES WOULD EXIST FOR THAT VALET TO USE? I'M CURIOUS ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PARKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN G SQUARE AND THE COUNTY.
SO LOOKING AT THE, AT THE BODY OF 14, 1500 SPACES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE TOWN, UM, THAT VALET COULD PICK UP HERE AND USE PART OF THAT, SOME OF THOSE SPACES, UH, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE TOWN.
RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DON'T, I I SHOULD BE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS OF COMPARING THIS TO OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED USES IN SMALL AREAS, THIS IS IN A VILLAGE IN THIS CASE, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL IN, UH, IN OTHER AREAS.
MY OFFICE IS ACTUALLY IN NEWTOWN IN JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN THOSE SITUATIONS IS, UH, NONS SIMULTANEOUS USE OF PARKING SPACES.
SO YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LEAVE IN THE MORNING, UH, OFFICE WORKERS THAT COME IN WHEN RESIDENTS ARE GONE, WHEN THE OFFICE WORKERS LEAVE, FOLKS ARE COMING INTO THE RESTAURANTS.
SO I REALIZE YOU DON'T HAVE QUITE THE SAME BALLOTS HERE.
AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT FOLKS PERSONAL DRIVEWAYS AND, AND PARKING SPACES AT THEIR HOMES ARE GONNA BE USED BY OTHER PEOPLE, BUT CERTAINLY THE, THE LOAD FOR THE RESTAURANT PARKING, UM, WOULD BE
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IN THE EVENING WHEN BEACH GOERS ARE PROBABLY STEPPING, YOU KNOW, GOING HOME BY THAT TIME.WHEREAS THE USE OF THE, THE DECK WE THINK IS REALLY GONNA BE THAT SUPPORT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY IN YORKTOWN.
THEY'RE EITHER WALKING, TOURING, THEY'RE GOING TO THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, THEY'RE STOPPING BY THE SHOPS, THEY COME DOWN AND HAVE A BITE TO EAT.
UM, FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE BEACH THAT ARE ON THEIR WAY OUT, THEY'RE STOPPING BY FOR A BITE TO EAT FOR A, A BIT TO DRINK AND, UH, AND THEY MOVE ON.
SO WE SEE THAT BOARDWALK AREA REALLY BEING A, A DAYTIME LATE AFTERNOON.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE IN THE EVENING, BUT YOU HAVE KIND OF SOME LEVEL OF BALANCE BETWEEN THE INSIDE DINING AND THEN THE, UH, THE OUTSIDE DINING THAT WORKS.
SO, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AN AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWS THE VALETS TO TAKE THOSE CARS SOMEPLACE ELSEWHERE IN THE VILLAGE.
THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I APOLOGIZE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? OKAY.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE TO OUR SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO ADDRESS THIS APPLICANT.
UM, AND IF I'LL REMIND YOU THAT, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU COME UP AND YOU HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, UH, WHEN THE YELLOW LIGHT POPS SONIC INDICATES THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT TO, UH, WRAP UP AND WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE RESPECT THAT, UH, THREE MINUTE LIMIT.
UH, FIRST UP, I HAVE A, UM, HARDY, H A R D Y I N G.
WHEN WE GOT MARRIED, WE WERE TOO OLD TO CHANGE MY NAME.
I HAVE COME TO LOVE YORKTOWN OVER THE NINE YEARS THAT I HAVE LIVED HERE AND I LIVE IN KISKI WATCH.
SO GREAT VIEW, GREAT PEACE, AND QUIET, EXCEPT ON THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN THERE'S A CONCERT, IF YOU LIVE IN KISKI ACT, YOU CHOOSE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE ACTIVITIES.
SO I'M NOT AGAINST ACTIVITIES.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING AND THE TRAFFIC, AND I HAVE GOTTEN OLD ENOUGH TO LAUGH ABOUT THE TERM WALKABILITY BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO, UH, BE CHANGING WITH MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
UH, I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT JUST ABOUT ANYBODY MAY NEED TO BE DROPPED OFF OR HAVE A RIDE AND HAVE A PLACE TO PARK A CAR.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE MY DAUGHTER'S CLOSET WHEN SHE WAS A LITTLE GIRL AND IT WAS A LITTLE GIRL CLOSET, LOW RODS, NOT MUCH SPACE, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL CLOTHES, FOUR DRESSES, PLAY CLOTHES, THAT WAS IT.
AND WE SWAPPED BEDROOMS AND I MOVED IN AND TRIED TO USE HER CLOSET.
I HAD A LOT MORE STUFF AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO CRAM IT IN.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM IN THINGS THAT NOBODY CAN FUSS ABOUT THINGS WE LOVE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CRAM IT INTO AN ALREADY OCCUPIED VERY TIGHT SPACE WITH NOT A LOT OF ROAD.
WE CAN'T GO PAVE THE OCEAN, SO, OR THE RIVER.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE TOO TIGHT, I THINK WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UH, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO GOOD EATS, UH, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SQUEEZE ALL THIS INTO THIS SPACE AND HAVE THAT MUCH NEED FOR PARKING.
I THINK THAT IS A BIG MISTAKE THAT WE'RE MAKING.
MY COMMENTS AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, NEXT UP I HAVE A, UH, WALTER RE, R E I S E R.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT REALLY GOOD AT READING SOME OF THE WRITING
YOUR HEARING DETERIORATES AS YOU GET A LITTLE OLDER.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THERE, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M A RESIDENT OF 1 0 3 NORTH BEACH ROAD.
I'VE BEEN HERE IN Y COUNTY, UH, SINCE 1938.
I SPENT MY SUMMERS HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I'VE LIVED THERE PERMANENTLY WHERE I AM NOW, SINCE 1953.
I CAN REMEMBER SWIMMING OFF THE BEACH IN YORKTOWN BACK BEFORE WORLD WAR II, AND THE CROWDS WERE UN UNBELIEVABLE EVEN BACK THEN.
UH, ANYWAY, I ALSO WAS A MEMBER OF THIS YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS,
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STARTING IN JANUARY OF 1976 THROUGH JUNE OF 1984 WHEN WE, WE WORKED ON THE FIRST COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN FOR YORK COUNTY.I HAVE AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT I WISH TO MAKE AT THIS HEARING.
WHEN THE BRITISH GENERAL LORD CORNWALL SIGNED THE SURRENDER PAPERS IN 1781 HERE IN YORK COUNTY, YORKTOWN, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BECAME A FREE INDEPENDENT NATION.
THIS SET IN MOTION, THE CREATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS FOR ALL CITIZENS OF OUR, OF THIS NATION.
THE TWO GREATEST DOCUMENTS ANY NATION IN THIS WORLD HAS EVER CREATED TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS AND THEIR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. WITH THIS IN MIND, IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT THE VILLAGE OF YORKTOWN RESTS ON THE MOST HALLOWED AND SACRED GROUND IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
TURNING THE VILLAGE OF YORKTOWN INTO A VIRGINIA BEACH OR A CONEY ISLAND TYPE ATMOSPHERE, UH, WOULD BE A GREAT DISSERVICE TO OUR NATION AND YORK COUNTY, YORK COUNTY CITIZENS.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED FOR THE WATERFRONT OF THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE WILL PRODUCE SERIOUS TRAFFIC AND PARKING PROBLEMS NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THE LOCAL VILLAGE CITIZENS AND HOMEOWNERS.
THIS WILL TURN OUT TO BE AN UNSOLVABLE PROBLEM THAT THESE CITIZENS AND HOMEOWNERS WILL BE FORCED TO LIVE WITH FOREVER.
I'M GEORGE HANLEY AND I'M THE FORMER DIRECTOR, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE YORKTOWN COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
AND IT WAS DURING MY WATCH AT THE FOUNDATION.
YOUR, YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE ADDRESS, I'M SORRY, YOUR ADDRESS? YOUR ADDRESS, STREET ADDRESS.
OKAY, AND THAT'S AT 2 3 0 0 3.
UM, DURING MY WATCH, WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE YORKTOWN MASTER PLAN AT THE FOUNDATION AND WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE CITIZENS OF YORKTOWN.
AND IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE NOW CURRENT RIVER WALK, WE ANGUISHED OVER HOW WE COULD INCORPORATE THOSE STRUCTURES AND THAT ENTITY INTO THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
FRANKLY, I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE DIDN'T FINISH IT.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PART OF THE, OF THE RIVER WALK, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
IT NEEDS SOME HELP AND IT NEEDED IT THEN, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT.
INFRASTRUCTURE IS A BIG PROBLEM THERE.
I'M WANT TO SAY TO YOU AND MY JUDGMENT TONIGHT, HAD WE FINISHED IT, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT IN AN OLD WORLD STYLE BRICK, WALLS, CAPS, VILLAGE, SMITTY, WR, IRON RAILS, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF ATMOSPHERE THAT YOU CAN SEE AT OUTDOOR DINING AT THE RIVERWALK.
THIS SCHEME REMINDS ME OF SOUTH BEACH MIAMI OR MYRTLE BEACH OR SOME OTHER BEACH.
IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND ELEMENTS IN THIS VILLAGE, IT'S JUST NOT THERE.
WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH ARCHITECTS WHEN WE STARTED THE ORIGINAL COMPLEX UP HERE, AND THEY JUST DIDN'T QUITE GET THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IN THE VILLAGE.
THEY ALL THINK THEIR PLANS ARE GREAT AND GOOD, AND I'M NOT DENYING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DOWN THERE, BUT NOT THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME.
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IT BACK, HAVE IT RETHOUGHT, HAVE IT RE-ENVISIONED SO THAT IT FITS AND END WITH THE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.IF WE COMPLETE THE JOB AT THE WATERFRONT, IT COULD BE A MASTERPIECE FOR THE HISTORICAL YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
WHAT WE NEED IS A PRESERVATION.
SO I ASKED YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS PLAN, SEND IT BACK FOR MORE WORK.
IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT.
NEXT HAVE, UH, CHRISTINE WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING, CHRISTINE WILLIAMS. AND MY HOME ADDRESS IS 1 1 4 1 8 IVY HOME PLACE IN HENRICO, VIRGINIA.
UM, I AM AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING BEV CRAS AND I APPRECIATE, UM, THE POINTING OUT OF MY ERA, MR. TITUS GRAMMAR IS VERY IMPORTANT AND MY EIGHTH GRADE ENGLISH TEACHER WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED IN ME, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL TONIGHT.
UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR READING THE LETTER THAT WE SENT.
I HOPE THAT YOU DID FIND IT HELPFUL, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, CHAIRMAN SMITH, UM, ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY MET.
UM, BUT WE FELT IT WAS, IM IMPORTANT TO RAISE THOSE ISSUES WITH YOU BECAUSE THIS PLAN DOES NOT MEET THOSE GUIDELINES, BUT ALSO THEY DON'T MEET THE OTHER PROVISIONS OF YOUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
AND I DID POINT A LOT OF THOSE OUT IN THE LETTER.
UH, THIS PLAN SHOULD BE LOOKED AT UNDER YOUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, GUIDELINES.
AND I KNOW I, I LAID OUT ALL OF THOSE, UM, ELEMENTS IN THE LETTER, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THESE APPLICATIONS BEAT EITHER OF THOSE.
SO EVEN IF WE PUT ASIDE THE FACT THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, THOSE SAME ELEMENTS RAISE ISSUES UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT.
UM, AS EVERYBODY HERE HAS HAS SAID SO FAR IN THE COMMENTS THAT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE COMMENTS TO COME, UM, MRS. CRAMS IS NOT OPPOSED TO A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA BELOW HER PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT HER SHOOTING DOWN ANY PLAN THAT COMES BEFORE THEM.
THAT AREA DOES NEED REVITALIZATION.
THE PLANS BEFORE YOU SIMPLY ARE JUST NOT IN LINE WITH YOUR GUIDELINES AND YOUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
UM, SHE'S JUST ASKING FOR A PLAN THAT WORKS FOR ALL PARTIES.
I THINK WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME, UM, CONCESSIONS GIVEN TO GRACE CHURCH, AND WE THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL, BUT SHE'S A A LANDOWNER ADJACENT LANDOWNER TOO, AND SHE'S ALSO A STRONG PROPONENT OF HISTORIC YORKTOWN AND THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC YORKTOWN AND THE DESIGNS BEING DONE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THAT HISTORY.
UM, THE PLANS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE HARD WORK OF THE ARCHITECT, UM, AND THE OWNER, UH, MR. GRANGER AND THE OPERATOR, MR. TANNER, WE, WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
MRS. CRAMS WANTS THE PROPERTIES THERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, SHE'S JUST ASKING FOR PLANS THAT ARE MORE IN LINE WITH THE DESIGN.
WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE, YOU ARE THE PROPOSAL OF TWO OVERSIZED BRAND NEW STRUCTURES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLACED RIGHT NEXT TO TWO OLD EXISTING STRUCTURES WITH NO SPATIAL SEPARATION WHATSOEVER, NO CONTINUITY IN DESIGN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE PICTURES THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU ALL DAY TODAY.
UM, THE PARKING IS A DISASTER.
IT WILL LITERALLY WREAK HAVOC ON THIS HISTORIC VILLAGE.
UM, IT, IT'S, I I I CAN'T REALLY SAY ANY MORE THAN THAT.
EVEN YOU, UM, MR. TITUS, I THINK IN YOUR COMMENTS, NOTICED THAT RIGHT NOW AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S KIND OF A PAIN TO GET AROUND THERE, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT WILL BE WHEN YOU ADD 7,100 SQUARE FEET AND 300 ADDITIONAL SEATING TO WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT WORKABLE.
MS. BEVERLY KREMS. GOOD EVENING.
CHAIRMAN SMITH AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE AT 1 0 5 CHURCH STREET IN YORKTOWN.
MY FAMILY BUILT MY HOME OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
FIVE GENERATIONS HAVE LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY CONTINUOUSLY.
PRIOR TO LIVING ON CHURCH STREET, WE LIVED IN MAIN STREET IN BALLARD.
WE WERE INNKEEPERS AND WE HAD A FAMILY STYLE DINING ROOM, UH, IN THE INN.
THE US POST OFFICE OUT THE WINDOW NEXT DOOR IS LOCATED THERE NOW.
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GROCER FOR YEARS AND YEARS ON WATER STREET EARLIER, WE WERE THE VILLAGE DOCTOR COMPLETE WITH HORSE AND BUGGY HOUSE CALLS OVERNIGHT STAYS IF THE WEATHER WAS BAD, WE WORKED OUR FAMILIES TWO FARMS ON EDGE HILL AND GIBBONS FARM, LOCATED ON EACH SIDE OF COOK ROAD.COMING INTO TOWN, OUR FAMILY HOME WAS DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE SURRENDER FIELD ON WATER STREET.
WE HAD NUMEROUS FAMILY RESTAURANTS AND OTHER BUSINESSES AT THE PUB AND LARRY'S SITE.
THIS WAS FORMALLY OUR PROPERTY THAT ACCOUNTS FROM 174 FOOT OF FRONT YARD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSAL.
MY FAMILY UNDERSTANDS HARD WORK.
WE UNDERSTAND LONG HOURS AND RISKY BUSINESS INVESTMENTS IN THIS VILLAGE, AND I WANT THE GRANGER FAMILY TO CONTINUE TO SUCCEED THERE.
THIS ENTIRE VILLAGE OF YORKTOWN WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1691.
THE VILLAGE IS THE ACTUAL SITE OF THE FAMOUS 1781 SIEGE OF THE YORKTOWN BATTLEFIELD.
I WANNA REITERATE, THE ENTIRE VILLAGE IS THE BATTLEFIELD.
THIS INCLUDES THE YORK RIVER SUNKEN AREA OF THE BATTLEFIELD.
THE SCUTTLED BRITISH FLEET IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF BOTH OF OUR PROPERTIES.
NEARBY IS CORNWALL'S CAVE, THE ARCHER COTTAGE, THE 16 HUNDREDS GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY, A MAJOR CANNON BATTERY ON THE CLIFFS ABOVE THE RESTAURANTS AT MY PROPERTY.
THIS ONE OF A KIND TINY VILLAGE IS DESIGNATED AS A COLONIAL NATIONAL PARK.
IT IS LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF, OF HISTORIC PLACES IN AMERICA.
YORK COUNTY HAS DESIGNATED US A HISTORIC VILLAGE WITH SPECIAL ZONING LAWS OVER AND ABOVE ANYTHING ELSE IN YORK COUNTY.
THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THESE LAWS WAS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNIQUE ONE OF A KIND CHARACTER OF THIS VILLAGE AND ITS PROPERTY OWNERS.
WHEN I HEARD THE GRANGER FAMILY WAS UPDATING THEIR RESTAURANTS NEXT TO MY FRONT YARD, I WAS VERY EXCITED.
I ENVISIONED A BEAUTIFUL RESTORED RESTAURANT AREA WITH SOME NEW ADDITIONS, LOVELY LANDSCAPING, AND SOME MUCH NEEDED PARKING, HOPEFULLY ALL APPROPRIATE TO A 17TH CENTURY COLONIAL NATIONAL PARK.
THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT DO NOT REFLECT THE HIGH STANDARDS AND SAFEGUARDS CALLED FOR IN OUR 17TH CENTURY LANDMARK VILLAGE, OR OUR ZONING OVERLAY.
AS CARETAKERS OF THIS PROUD PLACE IN THE FOUNDING OF AMERICA, I FEEL WE COULD DO MUCH BETTER.
SO PLEASE PROTECT MY TWO HOMES AND PLEASE PROTECT THE SPECIAL CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN.
NEXT HAVE, UH, JENNIFER CARVER.
MY NAME IS JENNIFER CARVER AND I RESIDE AT 2 36 NELSON STREET.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THE VILLAGE SINCE 1980.
NOT QUITE AS LONG AS B'S FAMILY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER WELL.
I ALSO, UM, CURRENTLY NOT AT THIS TIME.
CAN YOU HEAR? I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M SPEAKING.
I THINK THEY TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE PROJECTING.
OKAY, SO I CAN'T SEE, BUT I CAN PROJECT
SO I WANNA SAY THAT SINCE 1980 I HAVE DINED MANY TIMES, AND EVEN LAST NIGHT AT THE PUB, I ENJOY IT VERY MUCH.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT'S UNIQUE TOO.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE, UM, ATMOSPHERES THAT ONE GAINS IN A SPECIAL VILLAGE OF YORK, AS IN YORKTOWN.
I CAN ALSO SAY THAT I HAVE, UH, SERVED AS A PAST, UM, MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE FOR TWO TERMS. AND IN MY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THE GUIDELINES OF THAT GROUP HAVE NEVER BEEN AMENDED SINCE ITS IMPLEMENTATION.
SO IF I WERE ON THE COMMITTEE, THE CURRENT PLANS WOULD NOT HAVE STAYED.
I WOULD'VE SAID THAT IT WAS OUTTA SCALE AND THAT THE BOARDWALK CONCEPT IS INCONGRUOUS AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR VILLAGE AS THE GUIDELINES WERE, UM, DIRECTED TO PROTECT.
ALSO, I CAN'T FIND A PARKING PLACE NOW AND IN MY HOUSEHOLD, WE DO HAVE HANDICAPPED NEEDS.
SO IN TERMS OF ADDING MORE SEATING, BUT LESS PARKING AND THE AVAILABILITY OF PARKING, I THINK IS UNFAIR.
I DRIVE PAST THE PUB PROBABLY EVERY OTHER DAY, AND IF I'M COMING FROM THE MONUMENT DOWN WATER STREET AND HAPPEN TO GO UP REED STREET, IT IS A HORRIBLE BOTTLENECK.
I CANNOT ENVISION THAT THE ENTRANCE TO ANOTHER BUILDING WOULD BE RIGHT THERE ON YOUR ON, EXCUSE ME, ON REED STREET.
THE MAR CLIFFS REPLACED WITH FAUX MARL
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WALL, I THINK IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO, AS IT YOU'VE ALREADY STATED, A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.UH, NEXT I HAVE A, UH, TARA TRAVIS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE ON 10 39, 10 39 DARE ROAD, UM, YORK COUNTY.
I AM A PROUD RESIDENT OF YORKTOWN BECAUSE OF THE RICH HISTORY.
I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THE HISTORIC LOOK AND FEEL OF THE AREA, AS WELL AS SHARING IT WITH FAMILY THAT VISIT FROM OUTTA TOWN.
HOWEVER, I DON'T COME AS OFTEN DUE TO THE OVERCROWDING ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, MY HOPES ARE THERE WILL BE MORE FOCUS AND EMPHASIS ON PRESERVING THE HISTORY AND CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN AND LESS ON GROWING SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES AND MAKING IT MORE UNMANAGEABLE.
UH, LEE GR 2 2 4 CHURCH STREET.
AS MANY HAVE SAID, I THINK IT'S A VERY MUCH NEEDED UPDATE TO THE WATERFRONT.
UM, IN MY OPINION, THE RESTAURANT LOOKS LIKE A PANCAKE HOUSE ON ATLANTIC AVENUE IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN HISTORIC YORKTOWN.
UM, I THINK UPDATING THE EXISTING PUB INSTEAD OF A NEW RESTAURANT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED, LESS PARKING WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, IN THE OUTLINES THEY'VE MENTIONED THE TROLLEY AS MEANS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO THE WATERFRONT.
THE TROLLEY HAS A LIMITED SCHEDULE, DOESN'T RUN IN THE EVENINGS WHEN MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING IN FOR DINNER AFTER WORK.
UM, IT DOESN'T RUN IN THE WINTER TIME EXCEPT FOR, UM, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.
IT DOES DO A FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY DURING, UH, LATE NOVEMBER THROUGH MARCH.
SO THAT'S A NOT A SOLUTION TO OUR PARKING PROBLEM.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE VALET PARKING IS EVER GONNA WORK.
THERE'S NO DESIGNATED PARKING ONE WAY STREET UP, UH, READ.
THEY'D HAVE TO CIRCLE AROUND, COME BACK DOWN, DROP OFF THE CAR, DROP OFF THE PEOPLE, AND THEY ONLY SAID IN BAD WEATHER OR SOMETHING IN THOSE NATURES.
AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT CONSISTENTLY, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO UTILIZE IT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, AS THEY SAY FOR THE TWO EXISTING REC UH, RESTAURANTS.
THIS WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE NEED FOR PARKING, STAFFING, WOULD NEED TO FIND PARKING.
STAFFING NOW HAS TO PARK OFFSITE, WALK IN, AND ALL WEATHERS AT ALL TIMES THE DAY AND NIGHT.
AND HISTORIC MAIN STREET WOULD BECOME A PARKING LOT.
UM, THE STREETS ARE CLOSED DURING THE DAYTIME AND IN THE SUMMER, BUT IN THE EVENINGS THEY WERE OPEN.
AND THEN ON, UM, THE WINTERTIME, THEY'RE OPEN DIRECT ROUTE DOWN TO THE, TO THE RESTAURANTS.
THEY'D BE PARKING ON MAIN STREET, DISTRACTING FROM THE HISTORIC WALKABILITY OF THE VILLAGE.
AND, UM, IT JUST RUINED THE WHOLE SETTING OF HISTORIC MAIN STREET FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
DID I DO BETTER THIS TIME? NO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY, MY NAME IS JACQUES VAN FR, AND I LIVE AT 2 28 CHURCH STREET.
I FIND IT A SAD, SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS THAT I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AS MY LAST AND ONLY OPTION TO TRY AND STOP THE APPROVAL OF A 300 SEAT EXPANSION, QUOTE UNQUOTE, OF THE PUB ON WATER STREET.
WHY DO I FEEL THIS WAY? IT'S BECAUSE OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS SEEN FIT TO TRANS FORM, AN INDEPENDENT HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE INTO ITS, UH, TOWARDS TO, TO, WITH A VERY STRONG BIAS TOWARDS ITS OWN INTERESTS.
THEY REMOVED TWO COMPETENT VILLAGE RESIDENTS WHO WERE FOLLOWING THE MANDATES OF THE H Y D C AND REPLACED THEM WITH A VILLAGE RESIDENT WHO IS ALSO A COUNTY EMPLOYEE ON
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THE ONE HAND, AND A SECOND INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A RESIDENT, WILLIAMSBURG AND IS A, IS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM.UM, HOW CAN A COUNTY EMPLOYEE CAST AN UNBIASED VOTE ON PROJECTS THAT ARE OF THE COUNTY OR FAVORED BY THE COUNTY? THE SAME QUESTION APPLIES TO THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM CANDIDATE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER WHEN IT'S A FACT.
THE, THAT THE MUSEUM AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE IN LOCK LOCKSTEP WITH PRINCESS CRUISE LINES.
AND WE KNOW THAT, UH, OUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL, IS ABOUT TO RECEIVE EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE, FROM THE COMMONWEALTH, 77 AND A HALF MILLION OF WHICH IS ALLOCATED TO BUILDING A CONCRETE HERE AT THE MUSEUM TO ACCOMMODATE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE, UH, TENDER BOATS.
ANOTHER SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IS, IS BEING AUTHORIZED IN 2025 TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PEER.
SO I DON'T THINK THE H Y D C, BOTH OF THESE MEMBERS VOTED ON THIS PROJECT, IS A RELIABLE, UH, RELIABLY INDEPENDENT ENTITY ANYMORE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THAT COMMITTEE NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND, AND DIVERSIFIED.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS REASON THAT I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO, UH, DISAPPROVE THE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR A 300 SEAT RESTAURANT, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT COULD EXIST IN ANY TOWN IN, IN THIS COUNTRY, RATHER THAN THE BUILDING THAT'S MORE UNIQUELY STYLED FOR THIS HISTORIC YORKTOWN WATERFRONT.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, WHAT WILL THE COMPLEX OF THAT SIZE DUE TO TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUES ON WATER STREET, IT WILL BE A NIGHTMARE.
IF, IF, IF, UH, YOU ASK ME, DO YOU ALL REALIZE THAT WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE WATERFRONT, THERE WILL EXIST A TOTAL OF FIVE BARS IN ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS OF THE WATERFRONT? IS THIS THE, THE, UH, VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT? IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE TO THE PUBLIC? LET'S GO BACK AND COME UP WITH A BETTER, LESS CONSEQUENTIAL FIT FOR TRANSFORMING THE WATERFRONT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS VITALLY NECESSARY.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE DON'T WANT CHANGE, IT JUST HAS TO BE APPROPRIATE IN SCALE AND DESIGN.
ELIZABETH WILKINS, 2 28 CHURCH STREET, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANKS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE.
FIRST, A PREFACE TO SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTS ABOUT THE RESTAURANT APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, I AM REALLY TIRED OF CONCERNED VILLAGERS BEING DISMISSED AS KIND OF A RAGING GROUP OF DINOSAURS WHO OPPOSE ALL PROGRESS.
IT HAPPENED WITH REACTIONS TO PRINCESS CRUISE SHIPS, THE DOCK MESSER BUILDING, AND NOW THIS FROM TONIGHT'S APPLICATION, CLAIMING THAT, AND I QUOTE, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO CHOOSING BETWEEN PROGRESS IN THE FORM OF WHAT WE PROPOSE OR STAGNATION.
REALLY, THAT'S NOT JUST INSULTING.
IT'S AN ALL TOO EASY WAY OF DISREGARDING THE VIEWS OF RESIDENTS WHOM YOU SEE FIT TO STEREOTYPE.
WE DO NOT ALL HOLD THE SAME VIEWS AS EACH OTHER, BUT MANY OF US ARE TRYING HARD TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS TOWN TOO OFTEN BY DEFAULT, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SO LITTLE SENSE OF PLACE OR VISION AMONG COUNTY LEADERS AND SOME PROPERTY OWNERS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT OF THIS WATERFRONT.
BIGGER AND MORE MUST ALWAYS BE BETTER.
LATELY, IT HAS BEEN A FULL-TIME JOB TO KEEP THE REQUIRED VIGILANCE.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M ALSO TIRED OF SAYING, NO, IT'S NOT WHO I AM.
MOVING ALONG TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE PUB AREA OVERHAUL, I WAS NOT IN TOWN FOR THE H Y D C MEETING WHERE THE AMBITIOUS PROJECT WAS APPROVED, PENDING SOME POSSIBLE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE HEIGHT.
SO NOW I WILL OBJECT TO THE SCALE BOTH VISUALLY AND FOR THE IMPACT OF THREE OR 400 MORE DINERS, INDOORS AND OUTDOORS.
ON WATER STREET, IT'S A JOKE TO THINK THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS SOME PARKING, THE OVERFLOW DINERS WILL OBEDIENTLY PARK ELSEWHERE AND WALK OR TAKE THE TROLLEY, EVEN IF THERE WAS A GOOD FAITH PLAN FOR THAT.
DRIVERS, DRIVERS WILL TRY FIRST AND THEN CIRCLE
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BACK AROUND MAYBE A FEW TIMES TO GET AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.WE SEE IT NOW AND CAN HARDLY IMAGINE IT MULTIPLIED A FEW TIMES.
THE SCALE IS A PROBLEM AND THE DESIGN IS GENERIC AND STERILE AND SURELY NON-CONFORMING.
IF LOOKED AT IN MORE DETAIL BY THE H Y D C, I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OTHER HISTORIC WATERFRONT REDESIGNS AND REVITALIZATIONS, SUCH AS IN PORTSMOUTH OR RICHMOND, OR EVEN CAPE CHARLES AND COUNTLESS OTHERS.
FOR IDEAS THAT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME AS RIVERWALK, BUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ALTER THE OVERALL CHARACTER UPSCALE ISN'T ENOUGH BY ITSELF.
IT COULD BE CHARMING, UNIQUE, AND DARE I SAY, EVEN HIP AT THE SAME TIME.
GOOD EVENING, BETSY TAYLOR, ONE 11, EXCUSE ME, KISKI WATCH.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE PRINCIPAL, YOU BRING THE MICROPHONE OVER TOWARDS YOU.
ONE OF THE CRI CRITICAL, CRITICAL PRINCIPLES OF EVALUATION IS, AND I QUOTE THE WHOLE IS WORTH MORE THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS.
IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS, YOU MAY HAVE A SET OF 10 GLASSES VALUED AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
BECAUSE THEY'RE MATCHED SET, THERE IS ADDED VALUE FOR THE UNIT.
IF ONE OF THESE GLASSES IS BROKEN, THERE'S NO LONGER A UNIT.
THE VALUE MAY BE REDUCED BY 25 TO 30%.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN APPRAISALS.
IF THE PLANS ARE TO EXPAND RIVERWALK TO REED STREET, THERE IS ADDED VALUE IN CONTINUING THE EXISTING DESIGN ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT.
INTRODUCING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE DIMINISHES THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL PLAN.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN SCALE DESIGN IS OVERWHELMING IN SCALE.
THE BLUE ROOF HAS ECHOES OF THE IHOP.
ON I 17, UH, DOWN 17, WILLIAMSBURG WAS ABLE TO MASK A SEVEN 11 AS AN INFILL STRUCTURE WITH COMPATIBLE DESIGN AND MATERIALS.
SURELY YORKTOWN CAN COME UP WITH A PROJECT THAT WILL REFLECT THE HARMONY OF RIVERWALK.
AS IT STANDS, THE WAIVER REQUESTS QUOTE, BASED ON PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURES, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE 84 PARKING SPACES.
THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 51 ADDITIONAL SPACES THROUGH THE AREA.
I PULLED THESE NUMBERS FROM THE WAIVER, BUT I HEARD DIFFERENT NUMBERS TONIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M NOT CURRENT IN THOSE NUMBERS.
THE BOTTOM LINE REMAINS THE SAME AS A RESIDENT IN YORKTOWN.
IF I PLAN TO ELECT ERECT A LARGE STRUCTURE FULLY UTILIZING ALL LOT BOUNDARIES, CAN I EXPECT THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE EXTRA LAND TO PARK MY CARS, MAYBE ACCOMMODATE MY GENERATOR AND HVAC UNIT? I, I DOUBT IT.
I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE GO BACK AND MODIFY YOUR PLAN, BETSY.
THEREFORE, I WOULD ASK THAT THIS PLAN BE BEN, BE SENT BACK FOR REDIRECTION.
THANK YOU AR REYNOLDS 36 0 2 GOODWIN NECK ROAD.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR MY OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH TWO PERSPECTIVES THAT I BELIEVE I'M NOW EDUCATED ENOUGH TO OFFER TONIGHT AS IT PERTAINS JUST TO THE DECK GOING BETWEEN LARRY'S AND THE PUB.
FIRST, WHAT MAKES WATER STREET SPECIAL TO ME IS HISTORY AS VETERAN FIRST.
I'M SURE SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW LARRY'S FIRST, I'M SURE IT WAS NON-ALCOHOLIC BEER WAS CONSUMED ON YORKTOWN BEACH SECOND.
IN 2018, WE OPENED OUR DREAM TOGETHER.
WE'VE CONVE INVESTED CONSIDERABLY, BUT ALSO AS A RESIDENT.
I TOO HAVE ENJOYED THAT BEACH FOR MANY YEARS.
WE NAILED IT IN 2019 BECAUSE I HAD GREAT LEADERSHIP BECAUSE I'M A TERRIBLE RESTAURANT OPERATOR.
BUT THAT IS WHY YOU EMPLOY THOSE WHO ARE.
AND IT AT TIMES HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S ECONOMY.
HOWEVER, MOVING FORWARD, WE LOOK FORWARD AND INVESTED FURTHER AND STAYED.
WE INVESTED GREATLY IN THAT BUILDING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING THERE, WE DOUBLED DOWN.
I HAVE GREATLY INVESTED IN THEM ON THAT STREET, JUST LIKE THE RESIDENTS ABOVE WHO INVESTED THERE AS WELL.
BUT SINCE REOPENING AFTER COVID, IT'S BEEN VERY HARD FOR ANYONE WHO OWNS A BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY
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THOSE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.WE STAYED INVESTED AND INVESTED EVEN MORE BASED ON THOSE MEMORIES AND THE HOPE OF COMING BACK AND TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE STEAM BEFORE COVID.
I NOW OFFER YOU MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I DON'T WANT MEAN TO INSULT ANYBODY, BUT THERE'S TWO DEFINITIONS I FEEL COMPELLED TO TALK ABOUT.
ONE, AS A VETERAN, THESE ARE THINGS I'M VE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO TYRANNY, UNREASONABLE OR ARBITRARY USE OF POWER CONTROL.
TWO, A BULLY A PERSON WHO HABITUALLY SEEKS TO HARM, INTIMIDATE THOSE WHO THEY PERCEIVE AS VULNERABLE.
I COMPROMISED ON SEVERAL OCCASION AT GREAT CORPORATE EXPE COMPANY EXPENSE TO, TO TRY TO BE THE TEAM PLAYER IN THE HOPES THAT WE COULD PRESENT SOMETHING PRETTIER AND MORE EFFECTIVE TO CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS AND BE SUCCESSFUL.
WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE COLOR PARAMETERS, AND WE CAN GOOGLE, JUST TO ADD SOME HUMOR TO THIS, WE CAN GOOGLE CANVAS COVER HAS BEEN USED ON THAT BEACH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
TOURISM IS VITALLY IMPORTANT, AS I'M SURE IT IS, AS THAT IT'S WHAT THE H Y D C IS ALSO BOUND TO LOOK AT.
THE TOURISM OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE HELPED BY THIS.
AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY MORE ORGANIZED THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING, BUT THOSE TWO THINGS ARE HAPPENING AGAIN ON THIS BEACH.
WE HAD DICTATORS BEFORE ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT BEACH.
IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE, THEN WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? IF IT'S GONNA BE THE PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS PAYING FOR IT, THEN OUR VOICE IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
I'M SURE THAT THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNER CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, BUT THERE'S COMPROMISE HERE.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS PROJECT SUCCESSFUL.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, I UNDERSTAND THE EMOTIONS BEHIND ALL OF THIS, AND I RESPECT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REALLY, REALLY BEEN GRACIOUS IN ACCEPTING LARRY'S TO THE YORKTOWN BEACH ENVIRONMENT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS ETHERIDGE.
I LIVE AT 3 0 2 MAR BANK DRIVE.
UM, I HAVE FIVE GENERATIONS FROM YORKTOWN FROM THE EDGE HILL AREA.
I USED TO RIDE MY BIKE DOWN TO YORKTOWN BEACH WHEN I WAS A KID, SO I'VE BEEN, UH, HERE A LONG TIME AS WELL.
UM, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A GREAT IDEA.
UM, I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE, UH, THAT CORNER A WHOLE LOT SAFER, UM, THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CROSS THE STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF WHEREVER THEY WANT TO AND THE WAY THE SIDEWALKS ARE LAID OUT, IT KIND OF GUIDES PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UM, ALSO, AS FAR AS THE PARKING IS CONCERNED, I KNOW FOR ME, WHEN I TAKE A TRIP TO YORKTOWN, I KNOW I'M GONNA WALK, RIGHT? THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PARKING ISSUE DOWN THERE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY BUILT THAT PARKING GARAGE.
UM, RARELY HAVE I EVER BEEN DOWN TO YORKTOWN BEACH, SOLELY TO GO TO THE PUB I HAVE IN, IN YEARS PAST.
UM, BUT FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE PARKING IS GONNA BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
HELLO, MY NAME IS JENNIFER WOOD AND I LIVE AT 3 0 2 MAR BANK.
UM, I SPENT A DECADE OF MY LIFE LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER GOING, MAN, I'M, I'M GOING OVER THERE.
I'M GOING OVER THERE WHERE YOU CAN GET FOOD AT THE BEACH, AND I'M NOT WORRIED WHERE, WHERE MY KIDS ARE RUNNING AROUND.
AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE SEVEN YEARS.
FOR A LONG TIME FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME TO ME.
I AM AT THE WATERFRONT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, MY SON GOES TO YORKTOWN ELEMENTARY.
I LEAVE THERE, I GO TO THE BEACH, I WALK AROUND, I CATCH A BREAK, AND THEN I, PEOPLE WATCH.
I I JUST LOVE TO WATCH THE PEOPLE.
IN THE SUMMERTIME, I SEE MORE PEOPLE PUT THEIR KIDS BACK IN THEIR CAR AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO SIT IN THE PUB.
I HAVE LOOKED AT THAT PARKING LOT A MILLION TIMES GOING, JUST PUT A PICNIC TABLE OUT THERE.
I CANNOT TAKE THIS SANDY, FILTHY CHILD.
I CAN DEFINITELY CANNOT TAKE THEM IN TO THE RIVERWALK RESTAURANT.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A THING.
I CAN'T SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND WAIT FOR A SEAT AT THE PUB.
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I PLAN TO HANG OUT ON THE BEACH FOR A WHILE UNTIL I CAN GET A TABLE THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A THING.I HAVE WALKED AROUND ON THAT HILLSIDE A THOUSAND TIMES GOING, GOD, PLEASE LET THEM PUT SOMETHING HERE THAT YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO SEE OUT OF THE WINDOWS.
AT GRACE CHURCH, WHEN I GOT SOBER, I CAN REMEMBER SITTING, THERE'S A BIG MEETING PLACE UP ABOVE GRACE CHURCH AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN THROUGH THE RIVER, AND I'VE SEEN THE RAINBOWS THROUGH THERE AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SO TERRIFIED THAT SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN AND SOMEONE WILL BUILD SOMETHING AWFUL ON THIS SITE.
BUT YOU CAN SEE OVER TOP OF IT, THEY, THEY'VE SHOWN US ALL OF THESE PLANS WENT THROUGH THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.
THEY'VE SHOWN US THAT IT'S MATCHING.
NOBODY LISTENS TO MY OPINIONS ANYWAY, BUT I THINK WHAT'S AT THE RIVERWALK NOW IS UGLY AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ME THINK HISTORIC ANYTHING ANYWAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS ANY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S WHAT'S THERE AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT SPOT? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE AT THE BEACH AND THEN LEAVE? HOW MANY PEOPLE DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH HERE AT THE END OF, WHAT IS IT, THE PARKWAY? AND GO, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO.
THAT RESTAURANT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR US TO GET A SEAT, LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE STANDING AROUND OUTSIDE AND GO BACK UP THE HILL AND GO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO EAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE DOWN HERE AND DRIVING THROUGH THERE.
I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE GOING IN, SO I'M NOT ALMOST ACCIDENTALLY RUNNING OVER LITTLE CHILDREN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THE PEOPLE STANDING AROUND WAITING TO GET INTO THE PUB ANYWAY, BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO BE.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLACE TO PUT 'EM.
I THINK I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PLAN.
I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE HESITATION TO IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT GOES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
I SAT HERE THE WHOLE MEETING AND LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS UP ON TOP OF THE HILL.
THEY LOOK AN AWFUL LOT LIKE THAT.
I CAN'T SEE THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE'S GONNA LET ANYBODY PUT ANYTHING IHOP BLUE DOWN THERE.
IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY WE HAVE THOSE PROTECTIVE MEASURES ALREADY IN PLACE.
THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION.
I'M, I'M READY TO SEE SOMETHING BETTER DOWN THERE.
THANKS FOR GIVING ME SOME TIME.
I LIVE AT ONE 20 BALLARD STREET AND LIKE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE SAID, I, I LIKE TO EAT OUT AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE NEW RESTAURANTS, BUT I DO NOT LIKE THE LOOK OF IT.
I DON'T THINK IT ADDS TO THE, UH, HARMONY OF OUR LITTLE TOWN.
AND WATER STREET IS A SMALL, IT'S NOT A LONG DISTANCE.
AND SO I THINK IT WOULD, IF YOU GO FROM MATTHEW STREET TO REED STREET, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT LOOK MORE HARMONIOUS? AND I LIKE, I WOULD LIKE THAT, UH, THE PARKING, THE TRAFFIC.
IF I'M COMING HERE FROM OUTTA TOWN TO YORKTOWN TO EAT, I'M NOT GONNA PARK AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND SAY, I'M GONNA WALK TO THE RESTAURANT.
I'M GOING TO RIDE DOWN THERE TO SEE IF I CAN GET A CLOSED PARKING PLACE.
I MAY END UP BACK THERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS CERTAINLY GOING TO INCREASE.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE ALREADY.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
I LIVE ACROSS FROM THE BALLAD STREET PARKING LOT, AND IT'S INTERESTING TO SIT THERE AND WATCH THE CARS ON SPECIAL EVENTS ON THE WEEKENDS AND DURING THE SUMMER, TRIED TO FIND PARKING PLACES AND, UH, ON A SPEC, VERY SPECIAL EVENT, WE HAVE TO PUT CONES IN FRONT OF OUR DRIVEWAY SO PEOPLE DON'T COME IN AND TURN AROUND BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET IN THAT PARKING LOT.
SO I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.
UH, THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE, THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE IN YORKTOWN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY YOUR DECISION AND WE SHOULDN'T MATTER.
O'BRIEN AT GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, DAVID O'BRIEN, 8 0 4 WORMLEY CREEK DRIVE IN YORKTOWN, 2 3 6 9 2.
UM, ACTUALLY ON BEHALF OF, UH, A RESIDENT OF THE VILLAGE, LARRY ROTHELL.
HE LIVES AT ONE 14 CHURCH STREET AND UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO I PROMISED HIM I WOULD READ, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT HE WANTED TO PROVIDE TO, TO THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
SO THIS IS LARRY'S EMAIL THAT HE SENT OUT, UM, ON OCTOBER 2ND.
I CANNOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT BECAUSE AS PRESENTED, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING,
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AS IS THE WATERFRONT AROUND THE PUB IN THE DELI IS ALREADY CROWDED ON BUSY DAYS, WEEKENDS, THROUGHOUT MUCH OF THE YEAR, MAKING THE PARKING AND WATER STREET TRAFFIC A MESS, AND THE OVERFLOW COMING UP INTO THE VILLAGE AREA.THE ADDITION OF THE NEW OUTDOOR EATING AND DRINKING SPACE BETWEEN THE PUB AND THE DELI AND THE NEW RESTAURANT IS GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SEATS FOR DINING BY 300 PLUS PEOPLE OVER AND ABOVE THE NUMBER THAT ARE THERE.
NOW, IF YOU SAY THERE ARE AN AVERAGE OF TWO PEOPLE PER CAR, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL 150 CARS THAT'LL BE GOING INTO AND OUT OF THE PUB AND OF WATER STREET AND MANY OF THOSE THROUGH AND INTO THE VILLAGE.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE STANDING AROUND THAT THEY HANDLE AT THE RIVER WALK END OF TOWN.
COMMENT WAS MADE BY THE COUNTY THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON ADDRESSING PARKING BY OPENING THE LOTS AT THE NEW COURTHOUSE, THE POST OFFICE AND OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN OR TAKE THE TROLLEY TO THE WATERFRONT.
WE ALL KNOW THAT, BUT AS WE DO, AS WE ALSO KNOW, ONE, THE TROLLEYS DO NOT RUN PAST FIVE O'CLOCK, AND THEY'RE NOT YEAR ROUND.
TWO, IT'S NOT PEOPLE'S NATURE TO GO OUT TO THOSE ALTERNATE LOCATIONS.
IT IS TO SEEK THE CLOSEST PARKING SPACE TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
THREE, WHEN THEY STOP CLOSING MAIN STREET, PEOPLE WILL BE USING MAIN STREET AS A PARKING LOT.
WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME ON CONCERT DAYS, WHEN THEY REMOVE THE ROAD CLOSED SIGNS EARLY AND FOUR, WHEREVER MANY PEOPLE PARK IT IS UP IN THE VILLAGE.
THEY WILL BE DRIVING THROUGH THE VILLAGE TO GET THERE AND WALKING THROUGH THE VILLAGE TO GET TO AND FROM THEIR PARKED CARS.
NO MATTER HOW YOU CUT IT, INCREASING THE SEATING CAPACITY BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW RESTAURANT WITHOUT THE SPECIFIC, EXCUSE ME, WITHOUT THE SPECIFIED ADDITIONAL PARKING, WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT DETRIMENT TO THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN APPROVE A NEW RESTAURANT WITHOUT HAVING CLEARLY DEDICATED PARKING.
THERE MUST BE SOME RULES OR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS REGARD.
IT OTHERWISE CONTINUES TO MOVE US CLOSER TO THE SUFFERING, THE PROBLEMS WE HEAR ABOUT ALL THE TIME IN THE VIRGINIA, IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE NEW OPEN DRINKING DINING AREA FIRST, EVALUATE THOSE IMPACTS BEFORE APPROVING A NEW RESTAURANT TO, IN FINDING OUT TOO LATE THAT, THAT'S TOO MUCH.
I JUST ALSO, THAT CONCLUDES, UM, MR. REEL'S COMMENTS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD EARL'S, UH, PRESENTATION.
THERE WERE SOME, UH, FIGURES GIVEN IN, IN REGARDS TO CARS PER DAY.
I ASK EARL TO REEXAMINE THOSE.
THAT IS NOT A 40% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
IT'S MORE LIKE WELL OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE, CLOSER TO PROBABLY 200.
SO PLEASE LOOK AT YOUR NUMBERS.
THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IS SIGNIFICANT.
SIR JOHN WAY IN SEAFORD, VIRGINIA COMMISSION MEMBERS, I HAVE BEEN THE PURVEYOR AT THE YORKTOWN PUB FOR THE LAST 24 YEARS.
IN THAT TIME, I HAVE TRIED TO RUN A RESTAURANT THAT IS CATERED TO THE POPULATION OF YORK COUNTY.
AND JUST GUESS BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK I'VE RECEIVED, WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL.
I'M HERE TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED Y V A 51 23 AND Y V A 52 23 IN MAY OF 2020, YORK COUNTY GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED THE PUB TO PUT UP A TENT FOR OUTDOOR DINING DURING COVID.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE STRIVED TO CREATE HAPPY CUSTOMERS AND TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
OUR COUNTY PATRONS GENERALLY LOVE IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN GRANTED TWO EXTENSIONS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DURING THIS TIMEFRAME.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A SINGLE NOISE COMPLAINT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN CITED FOR A NOISE ORDINANCE VIOLATION.
IN THE 24 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN OPERATING THE NEW YORKTOWN PUB, I FEEL THAT THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING BEHIND THE DECK WOULD BE WOULD SUFFICIENTLY DAMPEN ANY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A PROPOSED OPERATION.
ADDITIONALLY, IT WILL HELP SCREEN ANY LIGHT THAT'S ALREADY DOWNWARD FACING DURING THE HOURS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LAST SEATING WILL BE AT AT 9:30 PM ALRIGHT.
MOST PEOPLE ONLY EAT ESPECIALLY THAT TIME OF THE NIGHT FOR ABOUT 35 MINUTES.
WE WOULD BE OUTTA THERE BY 11:00 PM THE VILLAGE HAS A SHARED PARKING
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ARRANGEMENT.IT WORKS WELL FOR THE VARIOUS POPULAR EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HOSTED ON THE WATERFRONT, BLUES, RUSE AND BARBECUE, THE WINE FESTIVAL LIGHT AT BOAT PARADE, THURSDAY NIGHT CONCERTS AND THE MARKET DAYS.
THESE EVENTS BRING IN THOUSANDS OF PATRONS.
BASED UPON THE EVENTS, I FEEL THAT THE PARKING IN THE VILLAGE WILL BE SUFFICIENT.
ADDITIONALLY, I'VE BEEN CONTACT WITH EAST COAST VALET AND VIRGINIA VALET TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OPERATING A VALET SERVICE FOR THE PROPO PROPOSED DECK.
EXCUSE ME, I'M EVEN CONSIDERING RUNNING A SERVICE MYSELF.
IN CLOSING, THIS PRIVATE INVESTMENT IS SORELY NEEDED.
IT WILL PROVIDE THE SAFETY OF THE GUESTS WITH THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK AND PAVED PARKING, AND IT WILL IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE WATERFRONT AS A WHOLE.
I LIVE AT 1 99 STONY RIDGE COURT IN NEW NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
AND, UM, BEEN COMING TO YORKTOWN BEACH EVER SINCE.
UH, I WAS ABOUT THREE YEARS OLD.
WE WENT DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME AND IT WAS, UM, UNIQUE KIND OF PLACE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.
I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'LL PASS WITH THE, I THINK THE ARCHITECT, IF HE'D HAVE MADE A RED ROOF, IT'D LOOKED LIKE THE HOUSE ON THE HILL.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IT REALLY, THE SEATING THAT'S IN BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS, THE ACTUAL PATIO THAT'S GONNA GO IN THERE, THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THEY HAD NO NOISE ORDINANCE, THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS. THIS'LL BE A LITTLE SKINNIER.
YOU HAD TWO TENTS WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA PASS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 4TH OF JULY, IT WORKS.
YOU LOOK AT THE CONCERT ON THURSDAY, IT WORKS.
NOW IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN NOT GONNA WORK.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SHARED BARKING.
THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO DID NOT SIGN UP THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? JEREMY, YOU GOT SOMEBODY OVER THERE? OH, YES MA'AM.
I LIVE AT 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID TONIGHT.
I'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT THINGS AND I'M SURE, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ALSO HAVE, UM, THIS SIDE OF WATER STREET DESPERATELY NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.
AND I APPLAUD, UM, THEM TRYING TO, UH, MR. GRANGER AND HIS COMPANY TRYING TO, UM, MAKE THIS AREA BETTER.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE AND DO SOMETHING BECAUSE IT DESPERATELY NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
AND SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND COMPROMISE AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT DESPERATELY NEEDS AN IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA.
HAVING HEARD TIME, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
UH, OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR COMMISSIONERS.
UH, I WAS, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING AS I LOOK OUT HERE, PEOPLE NATURALLY ARE KIND OF ON THIS SIDE EXCEPT FOR THE ARCHITECTS AND THE PEOPLE RIGHT THERE ARE KIND OF AGAINST IT.
THE PEOPLE OVER THERE IS KIND OF FOR IT GENERALLY TRUE.
AND HOW THEY CAME IN AND SEPARATED WITHOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEYOND ME.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING.
UH, AS I LOOK AT IT AS A LAND USE ISSUE AT THE RESTAURANT, AND THE DECK I THINK IS, IS RIGHT SPOT ON.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE LAND ISSUES WITH THE RESTAURANT AND THE DECK.
THE PARKING BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I LIVE IN, IN ZONE TWO AND THAT INTERSECTION AT VICTORY BOULEVARD AND 17 AND 1 34 IS A MESS.
AND WE'VE HAD TRAFFIC DESIGNS THAT SAYS THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM.
BUT IN THE, IN THE TIME THROUGH THE, UH, STOPLIGHTS, THEY SAY, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND IT IS EVERY DAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
SO TRAFFIC DESIGNS AND TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND THINGS, IT'S LIKE A GRAIN OF SALT.
BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LOOK AT THAT AND UNTIL SOMEBODY REALLY POINTED OUT THAT IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE
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AN IHOP, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT TOO MUCH, BUT BE, I DON'T LIKE THE ELEVATION NOW THAT'S NOT MY PREVIEW, HOWEVER, OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT TO THAT.BUT THAT ELEVATION THERE WITH THE PUB NEXT DOOR AND LARRY'S ON DOWN, THEY'RE KIND OF INCONGRUENT IN A LOT OF RESPECTS.
THERE'S BRICK AND THERE'S GLASS IS KIND OF DIFFERENT.
AND SO I WOULD MUCH RATHER, I THINK, SEE SOME ELEVATION CHANGES TO LARRY'S AND TO THE PUB AND MAYBE LESS OR SOMETHING ON, ON THAT.
SO I SEE A, A ELEVATION ISSUE MAKING THAT ALL ONE CONTINUOUS BLOCK OF THREE RESTAURANTS AND THE DECK IN BETWEEN.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO SOMEHOW I THINK, BUT THAT GOES BACK TO THE, TO THE, UH, DESIGN COMMITTEE MORE THAN IT IS I THINK IN THIS COMMISSION.
MR. HOOVER, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON, UH, MR. MR UH, EARL ANDERSON.
I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS HERE BY CHRISTINE WILLIAMS THAT ZONING ORDINANCES ARE BEING VIOLATED AND I DON'T THINK WE DELVED INTO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PERCEPTION FOR THESE, UH, ZONING ISSUES THAT WERE IN HER DESCRIBED LETTER? UM, IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR ISSUE, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER IT.
I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I, WHICH, WHICH LETTER? WELL, I, I, PERHAPS WE NEED CHRISTINE TO, OR TO POINT OUT WHICH SPECIFIC ORDINANCES, UH, SHE'S REFERRING TO.
SO SHE REFERENCES, UH, 3 27 B THREE AND SHE LISTED IT ALL.
SHE HIGHLIGHTED, YOU KNOW, UM, CERTAIN USES BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OR POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON ADJACENT LAND USES ARE NOT GENERALLY PERMITTED IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, Y V A IS SPECIAL.
EVERY LAND USE HAS TO COME BEFORE, AND THIS IS A PUBLIC INPUT OF THAT NATURE.
UH, SHE ALSO SAID, UM, THESE USES, UH, CAN BE CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATING IN A MANNER WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY WILL BE PROTECTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THE EVERGREEN SCREENING CONDITIONS ON LIGHTING AND NOISE OR, UM, NOT NOISE, BUT, UM, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION SIMILAR TO OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT HA COME BEFORE YOU.
UH, WE'VE TRY TO CON PUT CONDITIONS ON THEM TO LIMIT THOSE, UM, THINGS THAT WOULD HARM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE DO.
UM, CONSEQUENTLY MERE COMPLIANCE GENERAL ADDITIONAL, OCCASIONALLY SUBSTANTIAL, UM, UH, MAYBE NECESSARY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THIS IS A PUBLIC PUBLIC THING.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO PUT CONDITIONS ON IT TO LIMIT THAT.
UM, THOSE ARE GOES INTO THE GUIDELINES, WHICH IS MORE FOR THE, YEAH, I MEAN MAYBE IF, IF SHE, YOU YOU WANT TO ASK HER? I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID IN MY PRESENTATION IS THIS IS YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY.
IT'S, UH, VERY FLEXIBLE DISTRICT IN THE SENSE THAT ANY LAND USES THAT ARE NEW, THAT NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU, UM, IS A PUBLIC PROCESS.
UH, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT.
MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND GIVEN YOU THEIR OPINION ABOUT IT.
UM, IT'S THE SAME WITH ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU'VE, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS, UH, FOR MULTIPLE SPECIAL USE PERMITS YOU'VE SEEN FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, TOURIST HOMES, UM, UH, AUTOMOTIVE RELATED USE THAT WE HAD AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL PART OF THAT PROCESS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC INPUT SO THAT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR EVERYTHING.
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE VIOLATING ANYTHING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THE ATTORNEY CAN, CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I MEAN, WE'RE TAKING YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, THAT'S BUILT WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, THE USE PERMIT PROCESS GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO PUT CONDITIONS ON APPLICATIONS TO MAKE THEM MORE FAVORABLE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED IS THE VARIOUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR LANDSCAPING, OPERATION LIMITS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION ON, ON THAT QUESTION ON ZONING ORDINANCE? NO, THANK YOU.
I GUESS, UM, WHEN, WHEN I SUMMARIZE MY, MY THOUGHTS ON IT, CLEARLY NOISE WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD.
UH, PARKING HAS BEEN A REPEATED ISSUE THAT WE'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND THEN THE HISTORIC DESIGN, I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN.
I REALLY THINK THAT'S THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, UM, H Y D C DECISION AND UH, I THINK WE'RE
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REALLY HERE TO DECIDE IS A RESTAURANT IN THAT LOCATION APPROPRIATE OR NOT? I, I AGREE WITH GLEN.IT IS, UH, AN EXCELLENT USE OF, UH, OF LAND IN THAT AREA.
UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT SOME MORE ON HOW THAT, UH, PARKING ISSUE WILL BE DEALT WITH.
UM, AND THEN I, I THINK THE, THE NOISE ISSUE, WHICH I MENTIONED EARLIER, I, I THINK PARTICULARLY ON THE OUTSIDE DECK, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE CHANCE OF A LOT OF NOISE FILTERING UP FROM THAT LOCATION TO THE RESIDENCE ABOVE.
AND I WOULD REALLY BE SUGGESTING SOME SORT OF IMPROVED CANOPY OR, UH, OR PARTIAL SCREEN THAT REDIRECTS A LOT OF THAT NOISE.
JUST LIKE A BANDSHELL SENDS THE NOISE IN ONE DIRECTION RATHER THAN UPWARDS.
UM, THAT, THAT'D BE MY COMMENTS.
I WANT, WANT TO CLARIFY, I, WHEN I SAID ELEVATION, I DON'T MEAN THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, I MEANT THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING, CHANGE THE ELEVATION, ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATION.
MARY, UM, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS, BUT I REALLY AM GONNA JUST ADJUST THE DESIGN FIRST.
I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YORKTOWN.
I KNOW THAT IT WILL BE DEVELOPED.
I JUST THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB, UM, AND KEEP THE COLONIAL YORKTOWN LOOK, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT PLANTING EVERGREENS.
WELL, WHAT KIND OR WHAT LEVEL OF NOISE REDUCTION IS THAT? WHAT PERCENT, UM, IS THAT NOISE REDUCTION GONNA BE? I DON'T LIKE THOSE CARS.
THAT PICTURE'S REAL CUTE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE WALL TO WALL CARS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT PARKING DESIGN IS ADEQUATE OR FUNCTIONAL.
UM, AND AGAIN, I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE PRESERVATION OF THAT AREA.
I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO BE HIP, WE NEED TO BE CHARMING.
AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IT.
UM, LIKE MR. WHEATLEY SAID, I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN TO YORKTOWN SINCE BASICALLY I WAS BORN, ASIDE FROM MY ARMY TIME.
I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN THE YORKTOWN BEACH WAS, UM, P B R CANS, CIGARETTE BUTTS.
UH, IT'S COME A LONG WAY AND IT LOOKS REALLY NICE TODAY.
UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE WHEN I'M A BABY WITH MY MOM ON THE BEACH WITH A BEER CAN IN THE BACKGROUND AND CIGARETTE BUTTS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE USED TO HAVE, I'M NOT AS OLD AS A GENTLEMAN BEFORE WORLD WAR II, BUT I'VE BEEN COMING AROUND HERE A LONG TIME AND I THINK OUR RIVER WALK REALLY LOOKS NICE.
I THINK COMMON THEME WE HAVE TONIGHT IS TO, ON BOTH SIDES, EVERYBODY THINKS SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE HERE, CORRECT? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAID THAT THIS PLACE DOESN'T NEED SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK THE TWO ISSUES WE HAVE ARE THE DESIGN AND THE TRAFFIC, AND I'D LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO YES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PURVIEW.
I AGREE WITH MR. ROY FOR US TO DECIDE AND HOW THIS BUILDING OR HOW THIS RESTAURANT SHOULD BE DESIGNED.
THERE'S A, A BOARD THAT'S EMPLOYED TO DO THAT.
UM, THEY'RE APPOINTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND I THINK IF THEY AGREE TO SOMETHING, UH, DESIGN, WE SHOULD SUPPORT THAT.
I AGREE THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE USE ITSELF.
IS A RESTAURANT APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION? DO WE AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ABOUT OTHER ISSUES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM THE DESIGN IF I COULD.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MENTIONED, AND I AGREE, THE WHOLE OF YORKTOWN IS IMPORTANT HISTORICALLY, BUT I KEEP TELLING MYSELF THAT THE WATERFRONT IS NOT A MUSEUM.
WE CANNOT KEEP IT LOOKING THE SAME WAY COMMUNITIES EVOLVE, THEY CHANGE, THEY ADAPT.
AND WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WATERFRONT SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE AS A COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN YORKTOWN HERE WANTS TO SEE SOMETHING NICE HERE.
I PATRONIZE IT OCCASIONALLY MYSELF, AND I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, UH, A USE AT THIS LOCATION, PARTICULARLY THE RESTAURANT.
UH, MR. ANDERSON, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THE, UM, THIS WAS SPLIT INTO TWO DIFFERENT, UM, BILLS, SO TO SPEAK.
EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT AS THE, WHAT EACH ONE OF 'EM WILL, WILL DO.
SO THE TWO, HOW ARE THEY DIVIDED? SO TWO APPLICATIONS.
UH, ONE IS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE OUTDOOR DINING.
SO THE TWO RESTAURANTS ARE IN EXISTENCE.
IT COVERS OF THEIR OUTDOOR DINING AREA, JUST THE DECK AREA.
NOT, NOT, SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S 51 DASH 2 2 3.
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RIGHT.UM, THE NEW RESTAURANT IS THE SECOND APPLICATION, 52 DASH 23.
AND SO THE NEW RESTAURANT'S A BRAND NEW USE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, YAY OR NAY IF IT'S A GOOD LAND USE IN THIS SPOT.
AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC REPORT.
WHEN DO WE EXPECT THAT? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE TONIGHT.
OH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY OF THE WHOLE VILLAGE, RIGHT? UH, YES.
I JUST WAS TOLD THAT THE REPORT IS BEING PROCESSED NOW.
AND BECAUSE IN EITHER IN BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS, THE PARKING IS AN ISSUE.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY LARGEST HANGUP RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE TO, UH, MR. TINGLE, THE ARCHITECT.
HE'S TAKEN A LOT OF BEATING TONIGHT.
UM, AND, UH, I, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE AN IHOP.
UH, CAN I HAVE A FOLLOW, MR. ANDERSON? CAN I HAVE A FOLLOW UP HERE FROM MR. KLEINER'S COMMENTS? I WANNA BE, I WANT TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.
WHAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE, UH, UM, YORKTOWN, UH, HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
ONE FOR THE NEW BOARDWALK, RIGHT.
AND ONE FOR THE NEW RESTAURANT.
WE'RE AT THE SEPTEMBER 20TH HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE.
MEETING, THEY APPROVED THE DESIGN OF THE BOARDWALK.
SO THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE, THE RESTAURANT, UH, THEY TABLED THAT REQUEST TILL THEIR MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, BECAUSE, UH, SO THE GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, THE RIVERVIEW HOME, THE ONE IN YELLOW RIGHT THERE.
UM, THEY, UM, HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THEIR NEW RESTAURANT, UH, FROM THE BLUFF, FROM LOOKING FROM THEIR THING.
AND THAT'S WHAT MR. TINGLE SHOWED YOU PICTURES THAT THEY WENT UP THERE.
THEY TOOK PICTURES FROM THE DECK OF THE NEW RIVER RIVERVIEW HOME, AND THEY DID SOME NEW RENDERING SHOWING WHAT THE, THE ROOF HEIGHT WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT, AND THEN AT THIS NEW ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW.
AND SO, UM, HE SHOWED YOU THOSE TWO AND HOW THEY WOULD BLOCK THE REVIEW.
SO NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE COMMITTEE WILL JUST BE REVIEWING THE RESTAURANT ITSELF, THE DESIGN OF THE RESTAURANT.
AND THEY WILL APPROVE, DENY TABLE IT AGAIN.
UM, IF ONLY THE DECK IS APPROVED, HOW MUCH SIDEWALK GETS DONE ALONG WITH THE DECK? WELL, THAT'S JUST THE DESIGN.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT, IS THE USE.
AND THEN THAT WILL GO TO THE BOARD.
THEY ONLY REVIEW THE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS OF IT.
SO THEY, THEY, THEY SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL IT MEETS THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES OR NOT.
AND PARKING, UH, THE, THE PAVED PARKING VERSUS GRAVEL HAPPENS.
HOW DOES ALL THIS TAKE PLACE AS IT MOVES FORWARD? UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF, IF IT'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED OR ONE OF THEM WAS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A SITE PLAN THAT WOULD PREPARE AND CHANGE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO APPROACH VDOT TO RECLAIM THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S OUT THERE.
UM, THERE'S A SEVERAL STEPS BEFORE IT WOULD ACTUALLY START SEEING CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SOMEBODY GIMME A CHAIR.
DID THE, UH, THE, UH, YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE, DID THEY TALK AT ALL ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE OR ABOUT THE RESTAURANT AT ALL? OR DID THEY JUST SAY, WE DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL WE SEE THE VIEW? NO, THEY, THEY TALKED ABOUT IT.
UM, IT WASN'T UNTIL, UH, SOMEONE BROUGHT UP, UM, THE, THE, UH, GRACE S. CHURCH MEMBERS BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT IT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, THEIR INITIAL CONVERSATION, I HATE TO SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY WERE QUESTIONING THE ROOF PITCH, WHICH IS WHY THEY ASKED FOR A SMALLER ROOF PITCH.
WE WERE NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN.
OH, I'M NOT, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE GRACE AL CHURCH PEOPLE BEING IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN.
THEY JUST WANTED TO SEE THE ROOF.
THE COMMITTEE ITSELF WAS, THE COMMITTEE ITSELF SEEMED TO BE IN FAVOR OF DESIGN.
UH, SO MY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS USUAL, MR. KING, UH, DOES A GREAT JOB SUMMARIZING.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
I MEAN, YORKTOWN, UH, WATERFRONT IS A HISTORIC PLACE.
UH, IT'S A GREAT PLACE OF, OF COMMUNITY, AND OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UH, APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECTS, UH, AND TEAM TAKING A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, SOUND LIKE, UH, A LOT OF, UH, FEEDBACK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MEETING WITH THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, CHANGING THE PITCH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
OBVIOUSLY CHALLENGES, UH, PARKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE HERE IN YORK.
YORKTOWN, UH, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF A, A NEW RESTAURANT USUALLY IS A DESTINATION AT FIRST.
SO PEOPLE WILL COME SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
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I DON'T THINK ON THE 4TH OF JULY.AND SOME OF THOSE BIG EVENTS, PEOPLE WILL COME, UH, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IT WILL BE THOSE, THE, THE CROWD THAT'S HERE SAYING, HEY, LET'S GO THERE.
SO, BUT YEAH, PARKING NEEDS DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW, THE VIEW, I, I, I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT, UH, HAS HEARD OBVIOUSLY THAT THE THOUGHTS, UH, AS I WALK AROUND YORK, UH, YORKTOWN, UH, THE VILLAGE, UH, I DON'T SEE ALL RED BRICK AND IRON ROD.
I SEE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ARCHITECTURE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERY BUILDING NEEDS TO HAVE THAT EXACT SAME FEEL, UH, OR LOOK, UH, I ENCOURAGE THAT THERE'S BEEN NO NOISE COMPLAINTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COVID, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OUTDOOR SEATING.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ENCOURAGING.
AND, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS, UH, THANKS FOR ALL OF YOU BEING HERE AND, AND SHARING WITH US YOUR OPINION.
ANY OTHERS? JUST TO COMMENT? I MEAN YES, SIR.
AS WE'RE TALKING TO THIS, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR PARKING OTHER THAN, THAN THE VALET PARKING OR IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF BUSINESS DOWN THERE, ANY KIND OF THING THAT WILL HAVE TRAFFIC.
WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE THERE THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED OTHER THAN THE REMOTE PARKING VALET IN OR WALKIN? I, I DON'T KNOW.
SO THINK IT'S GOTTA BE ADDRESSED, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO IT ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
WELL, I THINK THE TROLLEY HOURS IS ONE CLEARER OPTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IF IT, IF IT ENDS AT 5:00 PM AND MOST PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO DINNER, FIVE, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
5:00 PM THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT'S NOT WORKING.
SO WHO, WHO ADDS MORE TRA TR UH, TROLLEY DOLLARS? I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THESE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
NO, IT, IT HAS A BEARING ON WHICH WAY I'M GONNA VOTE
I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I, YEAH, I, I, I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE AND I WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT, UH, I ADD TO THE, THANKS TO BOTH THE STAFF AND TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS.
IT IS A LOT OF DETAIL AND A LOT TO ABSORB.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE OVERALL PATTERN, WHICH I'M ENCOURAGED BY IS NO ONE IS AGAINST IT.
UM, EVERYONE HAS MADE A COMMENT, THEY WANNA SEE IT DEVELOPED.
THEY WANNA SEE THE IMPROVEMENT.
UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY QUESTIONS THAT I THINK IN QUESTION IS STILL THE DESIGN.
UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE NUMBER ONE THEME.
BUT AS I STARTED THIS EVENING, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE.
UH, OUR ROLE IS THAT OF DETERMINING IS THIS THE RIGHT USE OF THIS, UH, ZONED PART OF THE COUNTY.
UH, AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, OF DEMONSTRATING THAT.
I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT WE AGREE THAT, THAT THIS IS GOOD USE OF THAT SPACE.
AND IT IS CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT OF, I WON'T CALL IT AN EYESORE, BUT KIND OF IS, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND THIS WOULD BE TO, UM, MR. CROSS.
SO IF WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT, UH, RESOLUTIONS BEFORE US, SO WHAT IF WE APPROVE ONE? THE OTHER ONE, I MEAN, THE BOARDWALK HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE, UH, THE DESIGN GROUP.
THE APPROVAL IS YET TO BE DONE ON THE RESTAURANT.
IT DOES THAT IMPACT US, I GUESS, AS A COMMISSION.
AND I'M ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS THAT DOES IT.
IT REALLY DOESN'T BECAUSE THE COMMISSION, AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, CAN ACT, UH, IT'S JUST THE BOARD CANNOT ACT UNTIL THAT CORRECT ACTION IS TAKEN.
I LIKENED IT, UH, IN MY OWN MIND TO SOME LIKE A H O A, WE CAN APPROVE SOMETHING.
IT MAY BE AGAINST H O A GUIDELINES, BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT AGAINST COUNTY ORDINANCES.
MAY I ASK, MAY I ASK CITIZEN ASK A QUESTION IF I CAN MAKE ONE OBSERVATION.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE BOTH OF THESE APPLICATIONS, I, INCLUDING THE RESTAURANT AND THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, WERE TO PROPOSE SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, WE HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
IT, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE BOARD MIGHT, COUNTY BOARD MIGHT DECIDE TO SEND THIS BACK TO THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THAT CHANGE.
SO THAT, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
MR. SMITH, QUESTION? QUESTION.
AS YOU LOOK AT LAND USE, DO Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT THERE IS A RESTAURANT AT THE OTHER END OF THE STREET, WHICH IS CURRENTLY NOT BEING FULLY UTILIZED? HOW DO YOU FACTOR THAT IN? NOTED.
UM, AND AGAIN, I I, THE OTHER FACTORS, UH, SPECIFIC TO PARKING AND TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY IS AN ONGOING, UH, THEME.
BUT I THINK AGAIN, THAT THE JOB OF THE COMMISSION IS, IS A VERY HARD LINE, UM, TO TOW SOMETIMES.
AND THESE APPLICATIONS MAKE THAT JOB ESPECIALLY TOUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE'RE CHARTERED TO REPRESENT NOT ONLY JUST THE CITIZENS WHO SPOKE TONIGHT, BUT THE, ALL THE CITIZENS.
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THAT TIGHT LINE BETWEEN THE VOICES OF OUR RESIDENTS UP ON THE HILL, UH, OUR RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO THE RIGHTS, UH, OF THE APPLICANT.UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FACING A TOUGH DECISION.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN AN OPTION OR A, UM, BREAK A MOTION.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION ON PC 2324.
MR. SMITH AND I MET WITH MRS. CRAS ON, ON MONDAY, CLEARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE, UH, LEVEL THAT IS PRESENT TODAY, EVEN FROM THE BEACH AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SHRUBBERY.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT POINT IS WORTH, UH, REPEATING AGAIN AND WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A COMMISSION SUGGEST, UH, SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF CANOPY OR SOME SORT OF NOISE DEFLECTION, I THINK IS A, IS A KEY ELEMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, MOTION OR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION FROM MRS. CRAMS ON, ON HOW LOUD IT IS IN HER BEDROOM AND HOW SHE JUST CAN'T SLEEP SOME NIGHTS JUST BECAUSE OF THAT NOISE.
AND THIS ADDITION OF A HUNDRED PLUS PATRONS IN THE, IN THE EVENING, UH, HAS, HAS HER VERY CONCERNED.
I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION THAT, UH, CONSIDERS A RESOLUTION TO, I I WOULD SAY I AGREE DEFLECTION, UM, UNTIL I REALIZED THAT WE'RE RESTRICTING THE TIME.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY THE LAST SEATING I THINK WAS NINE 30, CORRECT? NINE 30 TO 11.
UH, WELL, THE LAST SEATING WAS NINE 30, BUT THE RESTAURANT HAD TO CLOSE CEASE OPERATION AT 11, CORRECT? YES.
AT, AND THAT, AND THE FACT THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLAINTS, I MEAN, I, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY INDICATION THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? FROM YOUR RESEARCH IN, IN THE APPLICATION? I HAVE NOT CONTACTED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT I, I CAN DO THAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN ADD, UM, OTHER THAN REASSUMING THAT WE SHOULD DO A HARD STRUCTURE ROOF ON THE THING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE MAY HAVE SOME, UH, SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT CAN BE DONE IF WE COULD, IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE, MR. ATTORNEY, THE CHAIR CAN RECOGNIZE THIS.
CAN RECOGNIZE, AND, AND I APOLOGIZE MR. CHAIRMAN, I REALIZE YOU'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT JUST ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT.
UM, I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING FOR 40 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER DESIGNED A, AN OHIO HOP BEFORE, BUT TONIGHT, APPARENTLY I DID
UM, SO IT, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OPEN TO A DEFERRAL ON BOTH CASES, UH, IF, IF, UH, A CONTINUANCE OF THE, WHATEVER THE CORRECT TERM IS, UM, SIMPLY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE DESIGN ISSUES, I THINK THE, UH, THE COMMISSION SUGGESTED A DIFFERENT ROOF, UH, OVER THE, THE, UH, OUTDOOR DINING DECK.
WE WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.
UM, AND, AND CONSIDER WHAT WE CAN ABOUT VALET PARKING AND OTHER SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENTS IN THE TOWN THAT COULD MAYBE ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING, UH, HERE AT, AT THE RESTAURANT IN THE OUTDOOR DECK.
SO, JUST WANTED TO, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OPEN FOR DEFERRAL IF THAT WERE THE WISHES OF THE COMMISSION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT'S, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS THAT, AND I'M GLAD THE APPLICANT SAID THAT TO GIVE THE, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITY DISTRICT BOARD TIME TO REVIEW, UH, THE RESTAURANT.
IT ALSO GIVE THE APPLICANT SOME TIME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEAR.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING YOU'LL LOSE BY GIVING THEM MORE TIME TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND ADDRESS OUR QUESTIONS.
SO I, I HATE TO EVERYONE HATES A DEFERRAL.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT HATES IT.
IT'S COST YOU MORE MONEY, BUT I'D RATHER GET IT RIGHT FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS.
AND I'D RATHER, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT HERE TOO AS WELL, AND I THINK THEY'RE AMENABLE TO IT.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD SAY, NO, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE, WE DEFER THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE NEED, 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, WHATEVER.
PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD BE LEANING TOWARDS.
I WOULD SUGGEST TOO, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PARKING.
WE'VE HEARD THERE'S 16 PARKING LOTS.
THERE'S WHATEVER, CAN SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US OF JUST WHERE ALL THOSE 16 LOTS ARE? HOW DURING EVENTS WE FLOW INTO THOSE? AT WHAT POINT DO WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW TO COMPARE IT TO JULY 4TH WHEN WE OPEN THE BATTLEFIELDS TO PARK IS UNFAIR
BUT, UH, I DON'T THINK WE'LL DO THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO THIS COMMITTEE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DYNAMIC IS HERE AND HOW, HOW WE FUNCTION THROUGH THAT.
I WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND,
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AS MR. KING HAS SAID, IF WE COULD DEFER IT, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE A WAY TO GO.BECAUSE I THINK THIS RIGHT HERE IS JUST A, A BRIDGE A LITTLE TOO FAR.
AND IF IT WAS REWORKED AND PERHAPS EVEN A LITTLE LESS SEATING, A LITTLE LESS PARKING COULD GO A LONG WAY.
SO WAS THERE ANYTHING TO GO AHEAD, MR. CHAIR.
THE, THE ROUTINE THAT HAS BEEN FOLLOWED BY BOARDS IN THE PAST, IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN TO SAY ALLOW COMMENTS, ETC.
WITHOUT HAVING TO RE ADVERTISE, IS THAT A MOTION IS MADE AND, AND PASSED TO, TO, UM, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A CERTAIN DATE AND TIME THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO FILL IN IS THE NEXT MONTH IS THE DECEMBER, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHATEVER TIME YOU WANT, UM, YOU, YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO ACTUALLY CONTINUE WITHOUT PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU CAN CONTINUE YOUR, YOUR DISCUSSION.
BUT IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON ENTERTAINING PUBLIC COMMENT ON WHAT MAY BE A REVISED APPLICATION, YOU MAY WISH TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT WITHOUT CLOSING THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE OPEN NOW.
BUT YOU WOULD'VE TO DO IT A PARTICULAR DAY IN TIME, YOU WOULD'VE TO KNOW RIGHT.
WHICH THE NEXT, WHICH IS THE NEXT MEETING IN WHICH YOU SO MR. CROSS, ON THE NEXT MONTH AGENDA, WOULD WE HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO, WELL, UH, WE DO HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS LINED UP FOR THE NOVEMBER AGENDA.
UH, DECEMBER DOESN'T LOOK A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
SO
WOULD 30 DAYS BE SUFFICIENT? WE HEAR FROM THAT? YEAH.
MR. CHAIR COULD, DO WE ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD NEED 30 OR 60? YEAH, HE MAYBE THE GOOD WOULD BE FINE.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE PODIUM.
AND I THINK ALL PARTIES AGREE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GAIN BY WAITING AND, UH, SHARPENING OUR PENCILS.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A MOTION? YEAH.
'CAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, HE CLOSED THE PUBLIC.
UM, YEAH, I SUGGESTED THAT YOU NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
I HEAR BY REOPEN THE PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THIS, THERE BOTH, I THINK YOU CAN ENTERTAIN THAT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY HANDLE THIS WITH ONE MOTION TO CONTINUE THEM BOTH.
AND IF I'M LOOKING AT MY CALENDAR CORRECTLY, THAT WOULD BE CONTINUATION TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
HERE ON THIS BUILDING IS 7:00 PM NOVEMBER 8TH, 23.
I, UH, I RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON APPLICATIONS 20 23, 24, AND 2325 THROUGH TO THE NOVEMBER 8TH, UH, MEETING.
AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT COME FORTH WITH ANY DESIGN CHANGES THAT THEY HAVE CONSIDERED AND THE RESULTS OF THE H Y D C MEETING.
AND IN ADDITION, PARKING ALSO, MR. WASSER'S REQUEST THAT STAFF PRESENT THE PARKING SCENARIO FOR YORKTOWN, SO WE CAN DETERMINE THE ADEQUACY OF THAT.
MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE WE CAPTURED ALL THAT YOU'RE READY FOR? I'M READY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION.
THE MOTION BY MR. HORAY IS TO CONTINUE THE MEETING TO NOVEMBER 8TH.
MR. KREER, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THOSE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR Y B A, UH, 51 DASH 23 AND 52 DASH 23.
AND THANK YOU ALL, UH, ALSO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUTS.
UH, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS, NO OLD BUSINESS, UH, NEW BUSINESS.
ANYONE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO BRING FORWARD STAFF REPORT,
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
SIR? OKAY.THERE ARE NO BOARD ACTIONS TO REPORT BECAUSE AT THE SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING, THERE WERE NO CASES
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ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA.UH, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS DID HAVE A MEETING OCTOBER 3RD, AND, UH, MUCH OF THAT MEETING WAS DEDICATED TO DISCUSSION OF THE COMP PLAN.
THERE WAS A STAFF PRESENTATION.
IT'S REALLY, IT WAS NOT AN ACTION ITEM.
THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS FOR STAFF TO PRESENT THE DRAFT COMP PLAN TO THE BOARD.
UH, SO THERE WAS A, A RATHER LENGTHY PRESENTATION, UH, AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLAN AND WHAT'S IN IT.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
UM, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DRAFT PLAN IS EXPECTED TO BE AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST BOARD MEETING.
UH, COMING UP ON THEIR AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK, WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION, AND THAT'S THE MIKE TYNDALL, UH, FENCE CONTRACTING APPLICATION FOR CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE ON ROUTE 17.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY APPLICATION ON THEIR OCTOBER 17TH AGENDA COMING UP ON YOUR NOVEMBER 8TH AGENDA.
IN ADDITION TO THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST CONTINUED, UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE APPROVED MASTER PLAN AND PROFFERS FOR THE YORKTOWN CRESCENT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON FORT USES BOULEVARD.
UH, AND ALSO TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 10.3 ACRES OF ADJACENT LAND, UH, AROUND THAT DEVELOPMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT MIXED USE FOR IT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROJECT.
UH, JUST BRIEFLY, THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THE HIGHLIGHTS, UM, PROPOSED.
UH, ONE PART OF THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM 210 TO 167.
AND, UH, ANOTHER PIECE IS TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FROM, UH, 31,000 SQUARE FEET TO 55,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO MORE, MORE COMMERCIAL AND LESS RESIDENTIAL IN A NUTSHELL.
UH, ALSO ON THE NOVEMBER 8TH AGENDA, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FROM PANDA EXPRESS FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH ON MOTOWN ROAD NEXT TO THE TIDAL WAVE AUTO SPA SITE.
UM, REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR A HAIR SALON AS A HOME OCCUPATION ON WATERVIEW ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S YOUR NOVEMBER 8TH AGENDA.
UH, UH, WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, KA MS. TAR BEI.
SHE IS NOW A CERTIFIED PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
TOOK THE TRAINING PROGRAM, UH, CERTIFIED PLANNING COMMISSIONER PROGRAM, GRADUATED EVEN THOUGH THEY MISSPELLED HER NAME ON THE, UH, CERTIFICATE.
BUT SOMEHOW THEY MISSPELLED KATHY.
BUT THEY PROMISED TO SEND A CORRECTED VERSION, UH, AND EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD TO STEP DOWN, I WANT TO WELCOME MS. UH, UH, CONSTANTINO TO THE DEUS.
SHE WILL HENCE FORTH BE, UH, TAKING RICHARD HILL'S PLACE AS THE COMMISSION'S LEGAL COUNSEL.
UH, ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS? DON'T BELIEVE I DO.
UH, ANY COMMISSION REPORTS OR REQUESTS? IF NOT, WE ARE HEREBY ADJOURNED.