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KYLE MEETING TO ORDER.WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE OCTOBER 3RD, 2023, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WORK SESSION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORUM.
[1. Proposed York Code Chapter 18.1 to Modify Billing Procedures for Sewer Maintenance. Receive presentation from Finance staff. ]
TODAY WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION START OFF WITH A PROPOSED NEW YORK CODE, CHAPTER 18.1 TO MODIFY, MODIFY THE BILLING, UH, PROCEDURES FOR, UH, SEWER MAINTENANCE AND KIL.SO I'M GONNA ASK, UH, THERESA OWENS, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND AMANDA CANON, WHO LEADS OUR UTILITY BILLING GROUP TO SIT HERE AND BRIEF YOU.
UM, AS YOUR LITTLE READ HAD SAID, UM, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE WE REVIEWED ALL OF OUR BILLING PROCEDURES FOR THE SEWER ORDINANCE, AND A LOT HAS CHANGED.
WE COORDINATE WITH OTHER UTILITIES, WE COORDINATE WITH OTHER LOCALITIES, UH, AND WE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER SEWER OPERATION THAN WHEN THE, WHEN THE LAW WAS WRITTEN, WHEN IT CAME INTO FOCUS, WHEN, UH, WE WERE WORKING ON THIS, UH, A VANITY, UH, BILLING, UH, UPDATE.
AND SO, UH, THAT SORT OF GAVE US THE DISCIPLINE TO SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS NEW SOFTWARE, UH, INTO PLACE, WE OUGHT TO FIX, UH, UTILITY BILLING.
SO THE NEW SOFTWARE DOES WHAT WE THINK WHAT IT IS THIS IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
SO I'VE NOW COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED MY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TOPIC.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE CHAPTER 18.1.
IT IS THE UTILITY BILLING QUOTE, UTILITY BILLING, AS WELL AS DEALS WITH SEWER AND SEWER DISPOSALS.
SO, UM, WE ARE, BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 17TH.
SO THIS IS, TRY TO GET Y'ALL INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DETAILS OF, OF WHAT THAT PUBLIC HEARING GET YOU MOOD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, GET YOU IN THE MOOD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SIR, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE THING, THOUGH, BEFORE WE START.
IN THIS DISCUSSION, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RAISING CIVIL RATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHY DO I KEEP GETTING THIS? SO, UM, LIKE NEIL SAID THIS, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A, A REAL COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THIS CHAPTER OF, OF THE, UM, CODE SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES, SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
SO WITH THE DIVINITY CHANGE, UM, THE NEW SEWER BILLING SYSTEM, WE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THIS NOT ONLY TO FINANCE, GO THROUGH THIS, UM, THESE, THESE CODE SECTIONS, BUT ALSO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS WENT THROUGH THERE.
SO THE OTHER THING THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS IS WE'VE HAD, UM, MAJOR INCREASES IN, IN THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS SINCE THIS, SINCE THE SEWER, UM, CHAPTER HAS BEEN PUT IN.
AMANDA'S BEEN HERE ABOUT 19 YEARS, UM, DOING THIS.
AND SINCE SHE'S BEEN HERE, IT'S GONE FROM ABOUT 16,000 ACCOUNTS TO OVER 23,000.
SO WE'RE FIGURING PROBABLY IN THE NINETIES IT WAS SOMEWHERE LESS THAN 10,000 OR SO.
AND WELL, THAT'S IN THE UPPER COUNTY, I TAKE IT.
SO YOU'RE BLAMING A AMANDA FOR BRINGING ALL THOSE EXTRA CASH IN? YES, I'M, SHE'S DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB.
UM, SO WE DECIDED, LIKE I SAID, WE DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE CHAPTER.
SO OVERALL, THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES WE FEEL ARE VERY, VERY MINOR.
THERE'S SOME GRAMMATICAL CHANGES, UM, BUT THE ONE THING WE DO WANNA SAY, AS MR. SHEPHERD SAID, THIS IS NOT ANY FEE CHANGES.
SO IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY FEE CHANGES, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS LATER ON IN THE SPRING.
BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST SOME ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES.
SO, UM, WE HAD SOME MINOR GRAMMAR CHANGES.
WE HAD SOME MINOR DEFINITION CHANGES.
USERS, NON-USERS WAS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT, WHICH IS MORE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE IS A MORE FAVORABLE, UM, WATER SUSPENSION TERMS. SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, UM, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, IF A CUSTOMER HAS THAT PAID BY THE 46 DAY AFTER THE BILL, 40, 46 DAYS, PLEASE, YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO PAY.
AND THEN 15 DAYS LATER WE GET, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CUT YOUR WATER SERVICE OFF.
SO, AND THEN THE OWNER AT THAT POINT HAS 10 DAYS TO APPEAL IT IF THEY WANNA APPEAL IT, AND THEN IF THEY APPEAL IT, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO HAVE A HEARING, AND THEN HE HAS 25 DAYS, UH, 24 HOURS, SORRY, TO RENDER A DECISION WHETHER WE SUSPEND WATER OR NOT.
HAVE WE EVER DONE THAT? UM, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT'S HAPPENED? THERE HAS BEEN ONE HEARING.
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YEAH.SO, SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE DID THAT, THERE'D BE ABOUT 3000 PEOPLE THAT WE'D BE CUTTING WATER OFF, AND WE DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WAS REAL PRACTICAL TO DO SO.
SO IF THEY'RE DELINQUENT ON THEIR SEWAGE PAYMENTS, WE WORK WITH NEWPORT NEWS, WATER WORKS TO TURN THE WATER OFF.
WHEN YOU SAY TURN THE WATER OFF, YEAH, WE, WE CAN SUSPEND WATER.
IF THEY'RE LATE, IT'S LATE ON PAYING THEIR SEWER BILL OR WA BIRD WATER OR J CCC, BUT DEPENDING ON WHATEVER, DEPENDING ON, IT'S MOSTLY NEWPORT USE WATER.
FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S MOSTLY NEWPORT USE WATER.
SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDED WE DO, UM, IS WITH THE ORDINANCE CHANGE, WE'RE EXTENDING THE TIME PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY.
SO WE WOULD BILL A BIMONTHLY SERVICE ON ONE MONTH THAT WOULD BE DUE WITHIN 30 DAYS.
ON THE 60TH DAY, WE'RE GONNA SEND OUT THE NEXT BIMONTHLY BILL.
AND IF THEY HAVEN'T PAID THE BI, THAT BIMONTHLY BILL, WE'LL SEND THEM A NOTICE TO SUSPEND SERVICE.
HANG ON, JUST MAKE IT CLEAR, YOU'VE GONE NOW THREE MONTHS.
IT'S 90 DAYS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN YOU SAY 60 DAYS YEAR, YOU'RE THERE, THERE JUST PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING IT IN TERMS OF SUMMATION OF, OF YOUR, UH, NUMBER OF DAYS.
SO MAKE MAKE SURE THAT YOU LOOK FROM THE PART THAT WE START HAVING PROBLEM, SOME TIME YOU ACTUALLY GET TO DOING THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THREE MONTHS LATER, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IT'S ACTUALLY, YEAH, FOUR MONTHS LATER BY THE TIME WE SUSPEND WATER.
NOW YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED DAYS SINCE IT STARTED.
SO AT A HUNDRED DAYS, WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU A SUSPENSION NOTICE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU SO MUCH TIME, GET YOUR BILL PAID.
AND THEN AT A HUNDRED, ABOUT ON OR ABOUT A HUNDRED 20TH DAY, WE'LL CALL NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS AND THEY'LL SUSPEND YOUR WATER SEWER SERVICE.
AND THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
NOW, WE USUALLY HAVE MAYBE ABOUT A HUNDRED OR SO FOLKS THAT DO THAT, AND THIS DOESN'T, WE DO HAVE HARDSHIP TYPE THINGS THAT WE DO TAKE HARDSHIP AND PAYMENT PLANS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THAT STILL WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS.
BUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, I THINK TO ME IT'S AN IMPORTANT FOOT STO HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE PROCESS.
WE WANT YOU TO, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THE WATER.
WE DON'T WANT TO, BECAUSE THERE'S COULD BE KIDS INVOLVED, COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND WHAT, SO THAT WAS MY POINT.
SO THIS GIVES US FOUR MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS, GET DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS, AND, AND BY THAT TIME, ALL THROUGH THERE, YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN SOME ACTION.
THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TAKEN SOME ACTION TO KIND OF HELP YOU OUT SOME WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST IN THERE TURNING OFF KNOBS, BUT EVENTUALLY IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT, THEY, YOU GOTTA GET THEIR ATTENTION.
SO IT'S, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BASICALLY MORE FAVORABLE TERMS THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAD IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S THE, THE JUST OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGES, LIKE I SAID, NOT REAL.
UM, WE DID WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AMENITY AND THE CHANGE.
SO THE PROGRAM NOW IS CALLED UTILITY ONE.
IT'S PART OF THE BIG DIVINITY, DIVINITY PROGRAM.
WE DID GO LIVE, UM, FOR UTILITY BILLING ON SEPTEMBER 25TH.
AND AMANDA AND HER TEAM DID A REMARKABLE JOB AND GOT THE BILLS OUT ON SEPTEMBER 29TH ON A BRAND NEW SYSTEM.
I'M REAL PROUD OF ALL THEM, THEM DOING THAT.
UM, THOSE HIT THE BILL THAT THOSE HIT YOUR, UM, MAILBOXES.
UM, FRI THEY WENT OUT FRIDAY, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE HIT SOMETIME BETWEEN SATURDAY, YESTERDAY.
TODAY THEY ARE DUE ON THE 30TH OF THE MONTH.
SO IN THE PAST, UM, I DON'T GO ON REALLY FAST.
IN THE PAST, UM, WE HADN'T SENT ALL CUSTOMERS BILLS, PEOPLE WHO HAD CREDITS, PEOPLE WHO HAD ZERO BALANCES.
BUT THIS TIME WE SENT EVERYBODY A BILL.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE EVERY CUSTOMER IS GONNA HAVE A NEW ACCOUNT NUMBER.
IT IS A NEW BILLING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE USING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT DOES, IT, UM, IT'S, THERE'S AN ENHANCEMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SWITCHED TO IT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE SWITCHED TO IT.
THE OTHER REASON WHY IS THAT I THINK YOU, YOU GUYS DID THE BILLING AND EVEN WITH THE BRAND NEW SYSTEM, DID IT IN MUCH LESS TIME THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO IN THE OLD SYSTEM AS WELL.
WELL RECALL THAT IT WAS DEFICIENCIES.
RECALL THAT THIS WAS THE LAST PIECE OF THE, UH, TOTAL REBUILD OF THE FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.
WE'D PREVIOUSLY DONE, UH, YOU KNOW, PAYROLL AND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AND HR AND PURCHASING.
AND SO THIS WAS THE FINANCIALS.
THIS IS THE VERY LAST PIECE OF IT.
AND IT'S GOOD TO KEEP REPEATING ABOUT IT, REMIND PEOPLE.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO IS THAT IT? YEAH.
YOU WANNA TALK MORE MEAN MINUTE? I'M GONNA COME AROUND.
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YOU WANNA TALK MORE? I WANNA TALK.HEY, CHAD, YOU GOT SOMETHING? MY QUESTION WILL BE MORE, IF THERE WAS A INACCURACY, IS THERE A NUMBER THAT SOMEONE COULD CALL? FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE GETS THEIR WATER SUSPENDED ON A FRIDAY? NOW I KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE TO SMART METERS AND THEY CAN SIT IN, UH, REMOTELY AND TURN THINGS ON AND OFF, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT SOMEBODY, IF THEY HAD A WRONGFUL TURNOFF OR COULD TALK TO SOMEBODY, AND HOW, HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN? I WILL TELL YOU.
CAN I SAY THIS FOR ONE MINUTE? THEY NORMALLY DO NOT CUT OFF ON A FRIDAY.
WE, WE, WE TRY NEVER TO CUT OFF ON A FRIDAY.
NEWPORT NEWS HAS US RESTRICTED TO, UH, A DESIGNATED WEEK, AND WE DO ALL OF OUR CUTOFFS ON MONDAY TO GIVE PEOPLE PLENTY OF TIME THROUGHOUT THE WEEK TO MAKE THAT, UM, CORRECTION ON THEIR BILL TO MAKE THE PAYMENT SO WE CAN GET SERVICE RESTORED.
SO, SO, SO HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTOFFS.
OKAY? AGAIN, THIS IS FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO BY THIS TIME, THEY WILL HAVE HAD MORE INTERACTION PROBABLY WITH THE COUNTY STAFF THAN THEY EVER WANTED TO.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE, OKAY, HERE, WE'RE LETTING YOU KNOW, AND THEN NEXT WEEK WE'RE GONNA CUT YOUR WATER OFF.
BY THE TIME YOU GET DOWN THERE, YOU'RE FOUR MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE BILLING.
YOU'RE FOUR MONTHS DOWN THERE WITH THE CALLS, YOU'RE GETTING LETTERS, YOU'RE GETTING ALL KINDS OF STUFF, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO DO ANYBODY ACTUALLY GO AFTER THE HOUSE? WE HAVE HAD TAGS ON THE PAST, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE TAGS RECENTLY.
UM, WE DO TAGS WHERE THERE HAS BEEN RETURN MAIL OR WE SUSPECT THERE MIGHT BE A NEW CUSTOMER THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT.
UM, BUT PRIMARILY IT IS WE SEND THE LIST TO NEWPORT NEWS AND THEY INTERRUPT THE SERVICE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT, OKAY.
SO, SO IF A PERSON, SO I'M, SO A PERSON'S A RENTER AND THEY, AND THE LANDLORD HASN'T BEEN PAYING THE BILL.
AND SO THE RENTER SHOWS UP AND IT'S BEEN AT THE END OF THE FOUR MONTH PERIOD.
SO IS THE RENTER ALL OF A SUDDEN GONNA FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT WATER? IT HAS HAPPENED.
IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE, UM, ASKED NEWPORT NEWS, RESTORE THE SERVICE RIGHT AWAY AND NOTIFY THE TENANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NEW IN THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, THE SERVICE RESTORED FOR YOU.
THE BILLS HAVE BEEN GOING TO THE OWNER, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THEY NEED TO GIVE US THE AUTHORIZATION IN ORDER TO ADD YOU TO THE ACCOUNT TO RECEIVE THE BILLS SO THAT YOU CAN PAY THEM.
AND IF YOU GET A REJECTION ON A BILL, LET'S SAY, UH, A LANDLORD DOESN'T LIVE IN THE, THEY MAY NEW YORK OR OUT IN CALIFORNIA SOMEWHERE IN THE WOODS, AND YOU'VE SENDING THESE BILLS AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY, YOU'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING BACK, THAT'S KIND OF A CLUE THAT SOMETHING'S NOT HAPPENING.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IF, IF WE GET RETURN MAIL ON A BILL, IT'LL COME BACK TO US IF IT CAN'T BE DELIVERED AS IT'S ADDRESSED.
SO THEN WE WILL PLACE A TAG ON THE DOOR SO THAT SOMEONE LIVING THERE WILL CALL US BEFORE ANY, UM, FURTHER ACTION IS TAKEN.
IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, TODAY'S THE THIRD.
RIGHT? UH, AND IN MY AREA, WE GENERALLY GET OUR MAIL BY 6:00 PM LATE IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO WHEN I GO HOME TONIGHT AND CHECK THE MAILBOX, WOULD I EXPECT TO FIND A BILL THERE? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
MINE, MINE HADN'T COME AS OF YESTERDAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, DIVINITY, IS THAT CLOUD-BASED SERVICE OR ARE WE DOING THAT ALL IN HOUSE? THAT IS, I BELIEVE WE'RE, TIM IS NOT HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IT'S LOCAL.
COULD COULD YOU ASK TIM TO CONFIRM THAT? AND ALSO IF IT IS CLOUD-BASED, TEXT ME IN A MINUTE.
SO, AND IF IT IS, UM, CLOUD-BASED, I'M CURIOUS WHO THE, UM, SERVICE PROVIDER IS.
MICROSOFT, I B M I KNOW IT HAS THE CAPABILITY TO GO TO THE CLOUD AND I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER MUNI SERVICES WERE ANTICIPATING IT GOING TO THE CLOUD.
AND I, AND IT, IT COULD BE HALF AND HALF TOO.
SO I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, SECOND, COULD YOU TAKE MAYBE 60 SECONDS AND EXPLAIN EVERYBODY WATCHING IN PARTICULAR THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COUNTY SEWER AND H R S D AND WHAT FEES ARE PAID TO THE COUNTY VERSUS FEES PAID TO H R S D? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A MURKY WATERS.
UH, I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY EXPECTING THAT QUESTION
AND YOU GET A BILL FROM US FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE LINES TO GET THE SEWAGE TO H R S D THEIR, TO THEIR PERFECT TO THEIR MAIN LINES.
AND THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR, THEIR TRUCKS.
THE MAIN LINES THEY TAKE, TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL SEWER TO THEIR HOUSE.
UM, I FEEL TO SOME QUESTIONS, AND I FELT THIS PAIN MYSELF.
UM, WATER FROM PEOPLE, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS
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USED TO HAVE THE OPTION MM-HMM.SO BASICALLY PEOPLE WITH SPRINKLER SYSTEMS END UP PAYING FOR SEWER WATER THAT GETS, THAT NEVER GETS TREATED 'CAUSE IT NEVER GOES TO THE SEWER SYSTEM.
AND KIND OF FRUSTRATE FOR FOLKS THAT PAY THAT AND NOT GETTING THE SERVICE FOR IT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNTY OF CAN TAKE CARE OF? DOES THAT AN H R SS D ISSUE? HOW DO, HOW DO WE RESOLVE THAT? UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS AN H R S D ISSUE BECAUSE THE, THE COUNTY SEWER MAINTENANCE IS A FLAT RATE, UM, TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS.
UM, THEY GET THEIR BILLING INFORMATION FROM THE WATER PURVEYOR.
SO ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE MAIN WATER METER, H R SS D IS GONNA BILL TREATMENT FOR THE CUSTOMER DOES HAVE THE OPTION TO INSTALL A SEPARATE WATER METER, WHICH IS EXPENSIVE.
SO THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE A DESIGNATED, UM, IRRIGATION METER OR FOR SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT ON THAT.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY DID DISCONTINUE THEIR SUBMETER PROGRAM, WHICH IS A, A SECONDARY METER THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE DEDUCTION.
WE, WE DID THAT FOR, FOR YEARS AND THEY, WE DID TOO UP AND STOPPED IT.
AND NOW THEY'RE CHARGING ME FOR TREATING WATER THAT THEY, THEY NEVER TREAT AND POSING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS ACROSS THE, THE COUNTY.
IN SOME INSTANCES, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE HAD A FLAT RATE PROGRAM, UM, WITHIN THEIR BILLING SCHEDULE THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE HAD THE OPTION OF GOING TO.
UM, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS, BUT IT IS IN THEIR BILLING SCHEDULE.
AND IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GO TO THAT FLAT RATE VERSUS BEING BILLED BASED ON USAGE, IF THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, OKAY, YOU CAN'T SOLVE THAT HERE.
BUT I'M, I'M, I'M NOT DROPPING THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU TAKE THIS, UH, ISSUE UP
AND MAYBE EVEN ADDRESS AT THE STATE LEVEL.
UM, SO THEY, SO THEY DON'T, UH, BUT I USED TO HAVE, UH, WHEN I WAS ON THE, I I CALL FOR BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THE CITY WATER, UH, WATER WORKS WATER.
SO THAT SUB, THAT SUBMETER IS GONE NOW.
RIGHT? THEY DON'T, 'CAUSE WE USED TO, THEY, WHAT WE DO IS WE WOULD JUST CALL, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'D GO READ THE NUMBER, UH, AND THEN CALL IT IN.
AND SO THEY'VE DONE AWAY WITH THAT.
SO THERE WERE SOME GRANDFATHERED ACCOUNTS THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTIVELY CALLING IN THEIR SUBMETER DEDUCTIONS, WE ARE STILL GETTING THOSE, UM, TO REDUCE THE SEWER MAINTENANCE ON COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, UM, THAT ARE BILLED BASED ON USAGE THAT WE ALSO WILL REDUCE THEIR, UM, THEIR COUNTY BILL.
BUT THEY ARE NOT ENROLLING ANY NEW CUSTOMERS WITH A SUB YOUR DEDUCTION.
THAT IS WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A SEPARATE ONE.
THERE IS, THERE IS ONE WAY AROUND THIS.
DID YOU INSTALL A WELL, WELL WOULD COST YOU ABOUT THREE, THREE, $4,000.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT MUCH WATER OUT THERE, BUT THEN YOUR SIDE HOUSE TURNED BROWNER IF YOU DON'T HANDLE IT CORRECTLY.
WHAT I REMEMBER ABOUT THAT ISSUE FROM YEARS AGO, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW THE SEWER OPERATORS MEASURE FLOW AND IT'S THROUGH THE WATER UTILITY BILLING, IS THAT THE TREND HAS BEEN AWAY FROM USING POTABLE WATER FOR, FOR SPRINKLERS.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY USED TO DO IT BECAUSE WATER USED TO BE REALLY CHEAP AND WATER IS GETTING, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO THE GENERAL TREND IS, UH, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE, IF THEY WANT TO WATER, YOU KNOW, A, A SHALLOW WELL SHALLOW WELL PAYS.
AND IT GOT TO SOME POINT WHERE THE, THE COST OF MEASURING ALL THAT AND FIGURING OUT ALL THAT AND DEALING WITH ALL THE APPEALS AND EVERYTHING WAS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE USING IT WAS GETTING LOWER AND LOWER.
AND THE, AND THE COST OF THE OVERHEAD TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THAT WAS GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SINKING WELLS IN AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M NOT GONNA SEE IT HAPPENING.
THEY GOT, THEY GOT DATA, BUT, UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT IS THERE.
UM, AND ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ON THE PENINSULA IS THAT WE ARE BLESSED WITH HAVING A LOT OF BASIC WATER UNDERNEATH US, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UM, SO IT MAKES IT, WE DON'T END UP WITH A, A DROP IN THE, IN THE WATER LEVEL.
UM, LIKE THEY GET OVER IN FRANKLIN WHEN THE PAPER, REMEMBER THE PAPER MILL WAS OVER THERE AND IT WOULD SUCK DOWN 400,000 GALLONS OF WATER, UM, A DAY.
SO ANYWAY, UM, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NO, I DON'T.
UM, THE PIECE THAT WE DO, UM, THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE COUNTY, THAT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND SO FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THE ENTERPRISE FUND IS THAT WE'RE PAYING THE COST OF MAINTENANCE OF OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S IT'S A SEPARATE FUND THAT'S SET THERE THAT WE PAY THE BILLS, THAT PAYS THE SYSTEM.
SO WHEN THE BILL GOES UP, IT'S GENERALLY BECAUSE OF EITHER MANPOWER OR MATERIALS.
ALRIGHT? NOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT H H R SS D DOES, BUT THEY, UM, ANYWAY, THEY GOT THE'RE ALL UNDER THESE CONSENT DECREES.
AND IT'S RIGHT TO BE FAIR OF SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEIR COST INCREASES RELATE
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TO THE CONSENT DECREE, RIGHT? IT'S CONSENT DECREE AND WHAT THAT IS.UM, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, WHEN IT RAINED HARD HERE, UH, UH, AND IT WAS INTERESTING UP IN, UM, RICHMOND, THE, UH, IT WOULD OVERWHELM THE RAIN TO GET INTO THE SEWER LINES 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT CLOSED.
YOU GET, THEY SEEP IT, IT GETS IN THERE, AND THEN WHAT IT DOES IS IT OVERFLOWS THE PROCESSORS AND THEN GUESS WHERE IT GOES? RIGHT INTO THE RIVER.
AND GUESS WHERE THE JAMES RIVER GOES, COMES DOWN TOWARDS US.
AND SO IT ENDED UP WITH A LOT OF OUR, OUR, UH, ESTUARIES, UH, RIVERS THAT ARE BEING CONDEMNED FOR OYSTERING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE RAW SEWAGE OVERFLOWING RIGHT INTO THE, INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND SO THE COURT CAME IN AND SAID, INSTEAD OF ORDERING US TO DO IT, WE, WE AGREED TO A CONSENT DECREE BY BASICALLY IT'S A CONSENT DECREE.
AND, UM, WHAT WE WOULD DO THEN IS START INSTALLING THESE PROCESSORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY PUT LIKE, UH, $60 MILLION INTO THE YORK PLANT, UH, FOR, FOR NITROGEN AND STUFF, JUST FOR, JUST TO HANDLE THESE VARIOUS PIECES.
SO THE SYSTEM IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.
[2. Comprehensive Plan Presentation. Receive presentation from Timothy C. Cross, AICP, Deputy Director of Planning and Development Services. ]
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND WE'LL HAVE YOU UP ANOTHER 19 YEARS, SIR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, TIM TO COME AND JOIN US AT THE TABLE.
EVERYBODY KNOWS TIM, AND HE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN THE LEAD STAFF PERSON IN THIS, UH, LENGTHY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY OTHER THAN WHAT WAS IN THE MEMO THAT WHEN WE ALL STARTED THIS, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE COVID AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THE PROCESS TO GO ON, UH, QUITE A WHILE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, UM, WE'VE HAD A CITIZEN COMMITTEE THAT YOU ALL APPOINTED WHO HAVE STUCK WITH US IN ALL THESE YEARS AND ALL THESE MEETINGS.
AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY TO BE PRAISED FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR WORK.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF STAFF RESOURCES GOING TO IT AS WELL.
AND I THOUGHT, UH, CHAD MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT SINCE HE'S THE BOARD LIAISON BEFORE TIM STARTS HIS PRESENTATION FOR FOUR YEARS, OVER 40 MEETINGS, UH, A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL GROUP OF FOLKS, UH, CHAIRED BY, UH, MICHAEL KING, UH, AND, UH, MONTY JOHNS, UH, ALSO, UH, CHAIRED IT WHEN, UH, MR. KING COULD NOT BE, UH, THERE, UH, SKIP BROOKS, UH, LEE HOAGLAND, UH, MR. MOBERG, UH, RICHARD MEYER, SHEILA MEYERS, UH, JACOB
HE WAS THEIR, UH, YOUTH COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE.
AND HE STARTED OUT AS A, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOLER ON IT AND ENDED UP AS A POSTGRAD, UH, MEMBER WHO WOULD ACTUALLY COME BACK DURING HIS SOCIAL SECURITY
IT WAS WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR HIM, BUT IT WAS GREAT.
AND HE, UH, ACTUALLY CAME BACK, UH, ON HIS, UH, BREAKS FROM SCHOOL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA AND WOULD, UH, WOULD COME AND ATTEND THEIR MEETINGS, WHICH, UH, MORE, MORE POWER TO HIM.
UH, GENE SELTZER AND, UH, BUDDY SPENCER, UH, WERE ALL ON THAT.
AND IT WAS A GREAT, SHARPER, SHARPER, EXCUSE ME, UH, GREAT, GREAT GROUP AND, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THEY PUT IN.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BEFORE WE GOT STARTED.
HEY, NEIL, WHAT'S YOUR GUT FEELING? IF IT WASN'T FOR THE, THE COVID DELAYS? WHEN, WHEN DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD'VE, I MEAN TERMS, I MEAN, IN MY PRIOR EXPERIENCE, AND I THINK IN THE PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN COUNTY TWO YEAR PROCESS IS PROBABLY, UH, ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT.
TIM'S BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL OTHERS.
HE MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT, IT'S BEEN TYPICALLY ONE AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS.
I, AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK MS. NOLL FOR, UH, APPOINTING ME TO THIS, UH, WONDERFUL COMMISSION WHEN SHE WAS CHAIR FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND I, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, I WAS ON THE SAME COMMITTEE, SO I KNEW IT BE WONDERFUL FOR YOU TO BE ON IT.
IT WAS VERY, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY ENLIGHTENING.
AND I WANT TO CORRECT THE NAME.
I, I'M, SO WHY I SAID SAR, I'M THINKING BACK IN MY MILITARY.
I, I DIDN'T DO MUCH BETTER WITH SON, ACTUALLY WORKED FOR A COUNTY.
ALWAYS HAD A LOT TO SAY AT THE MEANS.
WHAT WAS THE ATTENDANCE INTO THIS? WELL, 50%.
WE CAN GET YOU THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTY.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO REVIEW IT, NOT NECESSARILY UPDATED, BUT REVIEW IT AT LEAST ONCE EVERY FIVE YEARS
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TO DETERMINE IF IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.UH, THIS IS THE FOURTH UPDATE OF THE ORIGINAL COMP PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 1991.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE, UH, IN THE HOME STRETCH THERE WITH THE RED BOX OUTLINED IN BLACK.
UH, WE'RE INTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REVIEW.
NEXT STEP WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING AND ULTIMATELY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTION.
UH, THIS IS THE COMMITTEE THAT MR. GREEN SPOKE ABOUT.
UH, WE DID HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE DROP OFF FOR DIFFERENT REASONS OVER THE YEARS.
WE STARTED OUT WITH 14 AND FINISHED UP WITH 11.
AND WE HAD, UH, UH, BOARD APPOINTEES FROM EACH OF THE FIVE ELECTION DISTRICTS ALONG, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, UM, UH, YOUTH COMMISSION, UH, BUSINESS COMMUNITY, REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY, UH, OBVIOUSLY BOARD SUPERVISORS, MR. GREEN AND TWO, UH, AT THE TIME, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS.
UH, WE DID HAVE A TOTAL OF 34 MEETINGS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS WAY BACK NOVEMBER OF 2018,
AND WE WRAPPED UP THIS, UH, PAST APRIL, UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, UH, WHERE WE HAD, UH, BRIEFINGS.
AND WE BROUGHT IN SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS FROM BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE MEETINGS, WE HAD, UH, FOUR PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
AND THEN WE HAD TWO SPECIAL LAND USE FORMS, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER, 2021, UH, TO GET, UH, INPUT INTO THE PLAN.
AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A FEW OF THE TOPICS, UH, THAT, UH, WERE DISCUSSED OVER THOSE 34 MEETINGS.
UH, ANYTHING BASICALLY HAVING TO DO WITH THE, THE COUNTY'S FUTURE, WITH THE COUNTY, UH, PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, THE, AS I SAY, THE COMMITTEE WRAPPED UP ITS WORK IN APRIL, AND IT WAS PLAN DRAFT PLAN WAS REFERRED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, MAY 10TH, UH, COMMISSION SPENT, UH, ABOUT FOUR, UH, MONTHS, UH, IN THEIR REVIEW.
UM, WE DID HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
ONLY ONE IS REQUIRED, BUT THEY DECIDED TO HOLD A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY WAS LEFT OUT.
EVERYBODY GOT A CHANCE TO HAVE INPUT.
SO WE HAD, UH, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE ALSO HAD A WORK SESSION BETWEEN THE TWO SO THE COMMISSION COULD DISCUSS THE COMMENTS AND WHATEVER EL ELSE THEY WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE PLAN.
AND THEN, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, SOME SPEAK.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DID HAVE PEOPLE, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THE PLAN IN THE CITIZEN COMMENT PERIOD.
UH, ALL IN ALL, WE HAD, UH, 22 INDIVIDUALS, UH, WHO ADDRESSED, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, UH, HEARINGS AND MEETINGS.
AND AT THE SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING, THE COMMISSION FORMALLY APPROVED THE PLAN AND PASSED IT ON TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
THE COMP PLAN CONSISTS OF EIGHT ELEMENTS DEALING WITH BROADBAND, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT, HISTORIC RESOURCES, HOUSING, PUBLIC FACILITIES, TRANSPORTATION, AND LAND USE.
UH, THE BROADBAND IS ACTUALLY A NEW ADDITION.
UM, UH, THE, UH, CODE OF VIRGINIA WAS AMENDED A FEW YEARS AGO TO REQUIRE LOCALITIES TO ADDRESS BROADBAND NEEDS IN THEIR COMP PLANS.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST COMP PLAN THAT, UH, TALKS ABOUT BROADBAND.
UH, THE PLAN ALSO HAS A, UH, OF COURSE, AN INTRODUCTION.
THERE'S A SECTION ON CITIZEN INPUT, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS.
AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GLOSSARIES AT THE END.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, JARGON, JARGONISTIC TERMS AND, AND ACRONYMS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
SO IT'S, UH, HELPFUL TO HAVE, HAVE THAT REFERENCE IN THERE.
THE COMP PLAN IS A 300 PAGE DOCUMENT.
UH, SO FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT WANT TO READ THE ENTIRE THING AND ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DID PUT TOGETHER A 39 PAGE, UH, SUMMARY OF JUST THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES OF ALL THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS.
AND BETWEEN, BETWEEN THAT AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT'S REALLY THE, UH, UH, THE MEAT POTATOES OF THE PLAN.
AGAIN, FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO WADE THROUGH THE ENTIRE, UH, 300 PAGES.
JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS IN EACH OF THOSE EIGHT ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN.
AND I'LL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MS. CROY OVER HERE, WHO WAS
UH, SO WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING THE COUNTY'S DARK FIBER NETWORK.
SOME COUNTY FACILITIES ARE ALREADY CONNECTED WITH LIT FIBER, UH, INCLUDING BRU AND SKIMMABLE FIRE STATIONS.
BUT COUNTY CONTROLLED DARK FIBER WOULD PROVIDE MORE RELIABLE AND SECURE CONNECTION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT DARK FIBER IS? JEANIE? DID YOU EXPLAIN WHAT DARK FIBER IS?
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NORMAL, UH, FIBER INTERNET, UM, IS, UM, POWERED BY, UM, THE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS.AND DARK FIBER IS POWERED BY THE USERS.
SO IN THIS CASE, YORK COUNTY, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, SENDS THOSE LIGHT SIGNALS THROUGH THE DARK FIBER NETWORKS, UM, TO SEND INFORMATION TO THE RECIPIENTS.
THAT'S HOW DARK, HOW FIBER IN GENERAL WORKS IS THROUGH, UH, LIGHT.
I WON'T EVEN GO ANY FURTHER ON THAT.
UH, EDUCATION IS A BIG PIECE OF THIS.
UH, STUDENTS REQUIRE BANDWIDTH, CAPACITY, VIDEO CONFERENCING, LIVE STREAMING VIDEOS.
UH, WE, DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, THIS BECAME A MAJOR, A MAJOR, UH, ITEM OF IMPORTANCE.
UH, BUT STUDENTS NEED ACCESS TO COMPUTER.
UH, AND WE TALK IN HERE ABOUT, UH, UH, HELPING THEM, UH, CONNECT WITH VARIOUS, UH, PROGRAMS AND AGENCIES THAT, THAT CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE GROWING, UH, THE GROWING SENIOR POPULATION, AND, UH, THEY NEED ACCESS, UH, TO COMPUTER BROADBAND INTERNET, OR, UH, TELEHEALTH IS ANOTHER THING WHICH REALLY BOOMED DURING THE PANDEMIC.
AND IT, UH, SEEMS TO BE COMING, COULD BECOME SO.
SO, TIM, HOW, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE ACCESS TO BROADBAND, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT OUTSIDE OF IT'S AVAILABLE AT THE LOT COMPUTERS AVAILABLE AT THE LIBRARY? BROAD.
I MEAN, HOW DO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN PEOPLE'S HOMES, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT? WELL, AGAIN, UH, MAYBE ENSURE IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, ASPIRATIONAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CAN A HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEE IT, BUT, UH, AS I SAY, THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS AND, UH, GRANT PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WE CAN HELP PEOPLE TIE INTO, UH, WHO DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
UH, I KNOW THE SCHOOL DIVISION IS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE THINGS AS WELL.
AND, UH, SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL.
SO, SO THE COUNTY'S ROLE IS TO HELP FACILITATE THAT AS OPPOSED TO PROVIDE THERE AND BY COMPUTER.
THAT, THAT'S MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT UNDERSTAND THAT DISTINCTION.
SO, AND THAT'S, AND THE SAME WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, SENIORS.
AND DO WE, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, USING THE CITIZEN NEWS LIBRARIES, UH, OTHER, UH, PUBLIC, UH, AFFAIRS, UH, VENUES TO, TO DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? WELL, JUST, JUST, EXCUSE ME, TIM, BUT JUST, JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD, YOU ALL APPROVED AND YOU SUBSEQUENTLY HAD INSTALLED THROUGH A LENDER, UH, A HUNDRED STRAND, UH, DARK FIBER, UH, THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE, THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY.
WE USED IT TO CONNECT SOME PUBLIC BUILDINGS, BUT ALL THAT CAPACITY IS THE CLOSEST, I GUESS, WE COME TO ENSURING RIGHT.
AND OVER TIME, PRIVATE INTERNET COMPANIES, UH, CAN CONNECT TO THAT OR ES CAN CONNECT TO THAT.
AND ALSO, SOMEWHAT SERENDIPITOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE, UH, ANOTHER FRANCHISE THAT WE APPROVED, UH, IN THE NORTH COUNTY, WHICH HAS STARTED TO PROVIDE SOME COMPETITION TO COX IN THE NORTH COUNTY.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE, WE PUT THE EFFORT, WE DID THE HEAVY LIFTING TO GET THE BACKBONE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO DO THE LAST MILE CONNECTION, SO.
MOVING ON TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE ON, UH, THE SLIDE THERE, MAXIMIZE ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY, THEY CAN UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL SITES.
I'M SURE YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
UH, WHY IS, UH, SO-AND-SO BUILDING A NEW BUILD, COMMERCIAL BUILDING OVER HERE WHEN THERE'S VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE OVER THERE? UH, AND SO WE TALK IN THE, UH, PLAN ABOUT, UH, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REMOVE OBSTACLES TO WHAT WE CALL ADAPTIVE REUSE.
UH, IS TAKING ABU UH, OLD BUILDING AND CONVERTING IT TO, UH, SOMETHING NEW.
UH, MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE IS VIRGINIA BEER COMPANY.
THEN OUR FIRE STATION, FIRE, UH, FIRE STATION, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE BE, UH, THE BREW HUB THAT I'M TOLD WE'LL OPEN ONE DAY,
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH IS IS, AND THAT'S PART OF THIS, THIS WHOLE STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF THESE BLIGHTED OBSOLETE SITES AND TRYING, YOU KNOW, TO VACANT LAND OR, AND OR BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, TO PRODUCTIVE USE.
UH, WE TALKED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
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I MENTIONED VIRGINIA BUREAU COMPANY.WE TALKED ABOUT PLACEMAKING, UH, AND, UH, UH, THE IDEA OF, UH, ATTRACTING AND RETAINING YOUNGER WORKERS THROUGH QUALITY OF LIFE IMPROVEMENTS, EXPANDED HOUSING OPTIONS.
UH, WE TALK IN, UH, BEST EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW IS THE EDGE DISTRICT UP THERE, SECOND STREET, MERRIMACK TRAIL, UH, WHICH IS, UH, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE ADDING NEW, UH, NEW, UH, AMENITIES, UH, JUST ABOUT EVERY MONTH IT SEEMS. AND, UH, UH, WE TALK ABOUT PRO UH, PROMOTING THE FORMATION OF, UH, EXPANSION OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE SO MANY HOME OCCUPATIONS, HOME-BASED BUSINESSES IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S REALLY ONE OF OUR STRENGTHS.
UH, IT'S BEEN AN, UH, ONE OF THE PRIORITIES OF THE E D A.
AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD DO.
WE COULD, UH, WE CAN, UH, PROMOTE CO-WORKING FACILITIES.
WE CAN EVEN, YOU KNOW, HELP, YOU KNOW, CO-WORKING FACILITIES BE DEVELOPED.
UH, WE CAN, UH, CHANGE THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT, UH, EASIER TO DO, UH, HOME-BASED BUSINESSES WHERE THERE'S NO, UH, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE IMPACT, UH, ON THE EXTERNAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN, UH, LAST ON THIS SLIDE, UH, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONING A STUDY TO IDENTIFY INDUSTRIES, UH, COMPANIES TO TARGET.
THE, THE WATER VIEW IS A TON OF UNDERUTILIZED INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.
AND, UH, THIS REALLY CAME FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO LEVERAGE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT SINCE THAT IS OUR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, UH, BASE OUT THERE, AND IT'S REALLY NOT BEING PUT TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL.
UM, THE TIME I SPENT SO FAR IN THE, IN THIS CHAPTER, THE COUPLE THINGS I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN TOUCHED UPON TOO HEAVILY.
ONE IS, AND WE, YOU TALKED ABOUT IT A MINUTE AGO, IS, IS, IS, UM, NURTURING OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR HOME-BASED YOUNG BUSINESS, SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
UM, 'CAUSE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR BUSINESS LICENSES, OUR HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.
AND, AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE WHERE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE CAN LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THOSE PEOPLE, AS THEY START TO, TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN, I, I'M OUT, GROW MY HOME, BUT I'M NOT BIG ENOUGH YET FOR A BRICK AND MORTAR, YOU KNOW, BUILD AND CO-OPTED MAKERSPACE TYPE COMMUNITIES AND SPACES.
I THINK THAT'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT WE CAN AFFORD FOLKS AND SEE GROWTH IN BUSINESS LIKE THAT, IF WE CAN HELP WITH THAT.
THE SECOND THING, UM, I THINK A BIG THING IN THE NEXT DECADE OR SO IS WHAT I'M GONNA CALL REDEVELOPMENT.
WE GOT A LOT OF OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS AND SO FORTH THAT COULD USE FACELIFTS AND SO FORTH AND MAKE 'EM MORE MODERNIZED.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNTIES SHOULD BE CHAMPION AS WELL, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT TOUCHED UPON IN, IN, IN THE PLAN.
WELL, I THINK IT'S DISCUSSED, BOTH OF THOSE ARE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE TALKED ABOUT COWORKING FACILITIES, KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGE BETWEEN, UH, HOME-BASED BUSINESS AND YOUR OWN BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, I THINK AT THE LIBRARY WE'RE KIND OF DOING STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SPACE AVAILABLE, UH, FOR, UH, BURGEONING SMALL BUSINESSES.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TALKED ABOUT, BUT I'M LIKE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO THAT, THE, HOW THE COUNTY GONNA GET INVOLVED TO HELP FACILITATE THAT? I KNOW THE, THE CHAPTER TALKS ABOUT IT, BUT HOW, HOW DO WE FACILITATE? WHAT CAN WE DO THAT'S KIND OF, I WANT TO KIND OF GET IN THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WELL, YOU KNOW, MAY GIVE 'EM A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, WE WERE LOOKING AT ROUTE 17 IS OUR, OUR, OUR MAIN STREET, WHAT WE DID IS WE FUNDED PER CERTAIN AMOUNT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS, SOMETHING OUT THERE LIKE THAT.
AND THEN WE GOT THE, THE CITIZENS, THEY FORMED A COMMITTEE, AND THEN WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD ISSUE GRANTS.
AND A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO TO BUSINESSES THAT LOOK GOOD, RIGHT? SO WE WERE TRYING TO DO THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT PLANTINGS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, JUNKY YARDS.
BUT THEN WE WENT DOWN TO SOME BUSINESSES AND THEY'D REFURBISHED THE WHOLE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN WE ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO WE WERE GIVEN THE GRANTS, AND THERE'S, YOU CAN STILL SEE THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN USED TODAY.
GREAT ONE, IT'S RIGHT DOWN NEARBY WHERE WE, UH, SHERMAN WILLIAMS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
UH, ANOTHER WAS, UM, THE, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE DO.
AND THEN, UM, THE IDEA THAT, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO PROMOTE BUSINESSES THAT GO IN THERE.
UH, I ALWAYS LIKE TO USE ORIENTA.
AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, DRIVE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, WE HAD LIKE A PIZZA HUTT AND SOME OTHER GAS.
THEY ALL HAD GAS STATIONS, AND THEY WERE JUST, AND NOW IT'S TAKEN 20 YEARS, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT ALL FOUR OF 'EM DEVELOPED STARBUCKS STANDARDS, GOT A GREAT BUSINESS GOING.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE
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THROUGH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND ALSO, AND WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER, RIGHT.THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE REALLY, UH, CHAMPIONED HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND HAS WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO START THEIR OWN BUSINESSES.
AND THAT'S WHY IT HAS GROWN, BECAUSE WE PROVIDED THEM THE ASSISTANCE THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET GOING.
SO IT IT A COMBINATION OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, UH, THAT MAKES US WHAT WE ARE.
AND WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS, IS BRIDGING THAT GAP FROM GROWING OUTTA THE HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT COULD BE A BIG LIFT FOR, FOR THAT'S A HUGE, THAT'S A HUGE LIFT.
BUT THAT WOULD ALL COME UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY DO WORK WITH THE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.
IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND OUR CHAMBER, THEN THEY'D FIND THEM A PLACE.
OUR CHAMBER ALSO HAS A, UH, PROGRAM RIGHT NOW IN THEIR CURRENT SPACE, THE INCUBATION WHERE THEY ALLOW PEOPLE COME IN AND USE IT AND CREATE AN OFFICE THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THIS IS A CHANCE TO GROW OUTSIDE THAT BUILDING.
SO, AND THEN THERE'S A POINT OF, THERE'S ACTUALLY BUSINESSES THAT DO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDE THAT SAME SERVICE.
AND THEN THERE'S A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DEEPLY DO YOU AS A GOVERNMENT GET INVOLVED IN BUSINESS IF BUSINESS IS AN INVESTMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S AN INVESTMENT BY THE, BY THE PERSON TO TAKE A CHANCE.
UH, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN THE BUSINESS OF BRACING UP EVERY BUSINESS.
BUT ALSO IT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY IF BUSINESSES GROW ABSOLUTELY.
IN, IN A GOOD WAY THAT IT HELPS TAKE, WE SEE INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM THAT TAKES TAX BURDEN AND OFF RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE ALSO DON'T WANNA JUST IGNORE IT EITHER.
JUST GOTTA FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM.
WELL, 32% OF OUR OPERATIONAL REVENUE COMES FROM BUSINESS TAX.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WAY OF WHY YOU WANT, WE WANNA BE PRO-BUSINESS WHEN WE CAN'T.
YOU'RE BACK GOING TO ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? YES.
THIS, THIS IS A GREAT, UH, WHAT IS THIS CHAPTER? PAGE 45? THIS, THIS CHART RIGHT HERE ON THE HOTELS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MANY HOTELS THAT YOUR COUNTY HAS.
I THINK WE HAVE MORE THAN JC COUNTY AND WILLIAMSBURG THAT RIGHT.
AND IF YOU LOOK ON HERE, THIS SHOWS HOW THE REVENUE, UH, FROM THESE BUSINESSES NOW IT SHOWS HOTELS AND OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DROP IN 2020 WHEN IT WENT FROM 85 AND, UH, 85.3 IN 2019 TO 37 7.
THAT'S A HECK OF A DROP IN, UH, THAT ONE YEAR.
AND THEN IT JUMPED BACK UP FROM 37 TO 76 MILLION.
AND NOW TODAY AS HIGH AS IT'S EVER BEEN SINCE 2012.
SO THIS BOOK'S GOT A LOT OF GOOD STUFF ON ECONOMICS IN IT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, AIR QUALITY IS ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.
WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT
UH, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY HAVING THE COUNTY PROVIDE LARGE NUMBERS OF CHARGING STATIONS.
UH, BUT, UH, A PIECE, A, A LARGE PIECE OF A LOT OF THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES IS REGULATORY.
UH, I WAS TALKING WITH, UH, ONE OF THE PLANNERS, UH, OVER IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND HE'D BEEN CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY WHO WAS INTERESTED IN, UH, ADDING EV CHARGING STATIONS, UH, IN THEIR PARKING LOT.
AND WE REALIZED WE REALLY DON'T PROVIDE FOR THIS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ANYWHERE.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO IS BRING OUR, UH, ORDINANCE UP TO DATE, UH, TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE FOR MM-HMM.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT FOR MAJOR, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, PROJECTS LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS, DEVELOPMENTS, UH, ADDING A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY PROVIDE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS, UM, FOR THE CUSTOMERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, SO TIM, BEFORE YOU GET AWAY FROM THAT, TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOU ENVISION THE ORDINANCE NEEDING TO CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE CHARTER STATIONS.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, HE WAS, UH, TALKING ABOUT A CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND WE WERE JUST, UH, TRYING TO DISCUSS HOW WE WOULD, UH, ADDRESS THAT IF THEY CAME IN WITH AND WANT US TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WOULD WE COUNT THE, IF THERE ARE CHARGING STATIONS IN EXISTING PARKING SPACES, WOULD WE COUNT THAT AGAINST THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS? UHHUH
YOU KNOW, WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, WOULD WE TREAT EV CHARGING STATIONS THE SAME WAY? UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF, OF ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT.
OUR LAWYER WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
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BE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THISHE'S LOOKING, HE'S LOOKING FORWARD.
WE TALK ABOUT, UH, INVESTING IN PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE AND EQUIPMENT FOR MAJOR STORM EVENT RESPONSE.
UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, EVERYTHING THAT'S, UH, IN THE C I P HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE COMP PLAN.
AND, UH, AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, SOMETIMES WE HAD TO STRETCH TO FIND A, UH, COMP PLAN GOAL OR STRATEGY THAT, UH, ACTUALLY JUSTIFIES SOME OF THE PROJECTS ON THE C I P.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE HERE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
'CAUSE A LOT OF OUR C I P HAS TO DO WITH, UH, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICES MM-HMM.
UH, I MENTIONED, WELL, I DON'T THINK I MENTIONED IT, BUT, UH, SINCE WE ADOPTED THE LAST COMP PLAN, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA HAS BEEN AMENDED TO REQUIRE COMP PLANS IN HAMPTON ROADS TO ADDRESS SEA LEVEL RISE.
UH, SO WE HAVE, IN FACT, YOU MENTIONED, UH, JACOB, UH, HE WROTE A GOOD PORTION OF THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.
THAT WAS A, A BIG, UH, AREA OF INTEREST FOR HIM.
UH, SO WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF STRATEGIES.
UH, BASICALLY THEY FALL INTO THREE CATEGORIES, ADAPTATION, PROTECTION, AND RELOCATION.
UH, WE ARE, UH, UH, WE'VE GOT REVENUE SHARING MONEY TO ELEVATE SECTION OF SEAFORD ROAD.
IT'S FLOOD PROBLEMS. UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER SECTIONS THAT, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT DOING THAT AS WELL.
AND THOSE ARE DISCUSSED IN THE PLAN.
UH, YOU, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL, UH, YEARS AGO WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE REZONED, UH, SOME OF, UH, EASTERN, UH, SEAFORD FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO, UH, RESOURCE CONSERVATION.
UH, IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE OR REDUCE THE VULNERABILITY JUST BY LIMITING THE DENSITY OUT THERE, THE ENTIRE REZONING WAS NOT APPROVED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT FALLS INTO, UH, RELOCATION STRATEGIES, UH, LOW DENSITY ZONING.
UH, YOU MAY RECALL THE HOUSE, UH, HOME ELEVATIONS PROJECT THAT WE DID, UH, WITH A THEME OF GRANT FUNDING, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, OUT IN SEAFORD, UH, TO GET THOSE, UH, HOUSES OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PROTECTION STRATEGY.
THOSE, THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, IS THAT A, UH, REVENUE SHARING PROJECT? YES.
WE, SO WE, IT'S A TYPICAL WORK WITH VDOT TO, OKAY.
SO JUST AS A GENERALIZATION, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO FROM GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS AND VISION STATEMENTS ABOUT THINGS, WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHICH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS MANY OF THOSE, YOU ALMOST ALWAYS BUMP INTO A RESOURCE QUESTION RESOURCE OF, UH, DOLLARS.
DOLLARS IS THE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE PREPARED TO PUT INTO RAISING ROADS? RIGHT.
OR HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE PREPARED TO PUT INTO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S PART OF THE VISION, RIGHT? UH, OR HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE PREPARED TO GIVE UP? YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST ALL, EVERYTHING IN HERE AT SOME LEVEL TRANSLATES INTO A RESOURCE QUESTION IN YOUR BUDGET OR YOUR C I P YEAH.
SO, SO RULE, RULE OF THUMB, THE NUMBER OF DAYS IT TAKES TO DO A ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO PREVENT FLOODING SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF DAYS THE ROAD IS CLOSED DUE TO FLOODING.
I THINK I'VE SEEN, I THINK S MILL ROAD, I THINK WE, THAT ROAD WAS SHUT DOWN LONGER THAN WE EVER HAD THE ROAD FLOODED.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A
DON'T, DON'T, DON'T, YOU DON'T NEED LIGHT HEARTED.
BUT YOU GET INTO OTHER THINGS LIKE, UH, HOW MUCH INCONVENIENCE, HOW MUCH INCONVENIENCE HAS CAUSED WHEN A CERTAIN ROAD WASN'T.
HOW MUCH THEY GIVE COST WHEN YOU SHUT IT DOWN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU, IT'S THAT BALANCE.
SO ANYWAY, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY, UH, DOES IN THE, UH, THAT ARE C I P PROJECTS.
UH, WE HAVE THESE T M D L TARGETS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE E P A, AND WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE, AND WE'VE GOT PROJECTS TO KEEP US IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW, WE EXPECT THE E P A WILL BE COMING OUT WITH NEW TARGETS.
IN WHICH CASE WE'LL COME HAVE TO COME UP WITH, UH, NEW STORMWATER PROJECTS.
SO THIS IS REALLY AN ONGOING ITEM.
MOVING ON TO HISTORIC RESOURCES, DOUG.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT PROMOTING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF COUNTY'S HISTORIC RESOURCES, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS, UH, HISTORY TOURISM RELATED
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ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTY, UH, COORDINATING WITH ONE ANOTHER, AS WELL AS OTHER REGIONAL STATEWIDE NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.WE CAN MULTIPLY OUR RESOURCES, UH, TO IMPROVE, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND INCREASE VISITATION.
UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE HISTORIC RESOURCES INVENTORY IS, IS, UH, A LIVING
UH, WE'RE CONSTANTLY FINDING NEW RESOURCES.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, 952 ARCHITECTURAL, UH, SITES AND, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT.
HISTORIC RESOURCES, OVER 1200 ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT COUNTY HISTORICAL MARKER, SIGN MARKER PROGRAM.
THERE ARE A LOT OF INTERPRETIVE SIGNS IN THE COUNTY INSTALLED BY, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, JAMESTOWN YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, UH, DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION, UH, RECREATION, CIVIL WAR TRAILS.
AND WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, PUTTING UP NEW SIGNS, UH, HAVING NEW SIGNS THAT TELL THE COUNTY'S STORY.
UH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU, UH, WHEN YOU GO TO THE STATE, UH, YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET BEFORE THEY'LL ALLOW A MARKER TO BE BUILT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME VALUE TO THE COUNTY DOING SOME OF THIS SORT OF THING ON ITS OWN.
AND WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT ON OUR OWN, UH, IN HERE IN YORKTOWN.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE COULD WORK ON? OH, YEAH.
AND RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT, BRIAN, I WONDER IF MAYBE THAT IN PART IS SOMETHING THE YOUTH COMMISSION CAN TAKE ON AS, AS ONE OF THEIR YEARLY PROJECTS IS DOING SOME OF THAT MARKER INVENTORY AND THEY DO ROAD CLEANUP AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT MAY BE A WHOLE NEW, I, I SUGGESTED LIAISON.
I, I'LL, BUT LET YOU TALK TO, UM, UM, WHAT'S HIS NAME? AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TAKE YOU AWAY FROM THE HOMEWORK.
I'M, AND, AND I'LL BRING IT UP AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
SO,
AND, AND TIM, WHO, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE, THE RESOURCES INVENTORY, IS THAT ONE PERSON IN THE COUNTY, ONE DEPARTMENT, OR? WELL, NO, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF GROUPS THAT, UH, THAT DO THESE.
UH, AND WE, UH, YOU REMEMBER AMY PARKER, WHO, UH, AMY, MAYBE DON'T.
AMY PARKER IN THE PLANNING DIVISION.
SHE WROTE THE HISTORIC RESOURCES CHAPTER.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE OTHERS IN THE COUNTY, AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S A HISTORICAL COMMITTEE THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES ACTUALLY, UH, VOLUNTEERS, PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS KIND OF THING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S UP UPDATING THE, OR DOING THE INVENTORY.
SHE WOULD BE DOING IT BY HERSELF.
SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE COMPREHENSIVE INVENTORY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COLLECTION OF INVENTORIES AND DIFFERENT WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT, WELL, I AM, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER SIGNS THAT BEEN PUT UP BY ALL THESE GROUPS AND HAVING AN INVENTORY THAT INCLUDES THEM ALL.
UH, AND WE TALK ABOUT PROMOTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, HIGH TECH, UH, UH, UH, GLOBAL COMMUNICATION, INTERNET ASSETS.
UH, WE HAD A SPEAKER COME TO ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS FROM, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST.
AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, COOL STUFF THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING WITH THEIR MOBILE APPS AND THINGS.
AND SO WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, NEED TO HELP DO MORE OF THAT.
UH, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT YORK COUNTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND SHOULD ALWAYS REMAIN AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN.
UH, FOR THAT REASON, THE PREDOMINANCE OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, UH, SHOULD CONTINUE.
AND, UH, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NEED TO RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF THE HOUSING MARKET, WHICH REFLECT THE INCREASED DIVERSITY OF HOUSEHOLD TYPES, UH, IN THE US.
UH, BUT, UH, YOU SEE THAT FIRST ITEM UP THERE, OBVIOUSLY, THE PREFERENCE HERE FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
UM, MUCH OF THE COUNTY'S, UH, EXISTING STOCK OF MODERATELY PRICED HOUSING, UH, IT'S LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT WERE DELIVER DEVELOPED 50, 60, EVEN 70 YEARS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THIS C D B G GRANTS.
WE'RE DOING IT AT KERRY CHAPEL ROAD.
UM, OTHER AREAS, UH, WE, UH, NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, THIS KIND OF THING.
HUBBARD LANE, PANAMA PANIN ROAD AREA, YORK AREA AREA, UH, GILBERT COUNTY, UH, SPRINGFIELD ROAD, MIDDLETOWN FARMS, UM, AND, UH, MARLOW ROAD.
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THE, UH, HAVE YOU TOTALED ALL THAT UP? HOW MUCH IS THAT IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS? NO.SO WHEN YOU SAY WE DO A LOT OH.
OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, YEAH.
I'M SURE THE HOUSING MANAGER COULD TELL ME, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, RELATIVE TO TOTAL OVERHEAD OVER AMOUNT.
BUT FROM HARBOR GARDENS, WE DID ABOUT 60 HOMES.
WE'RE DOING WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
YOU TALKING 60, HOW MANY HOMES WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, 20 SOME THOUSAND HOMES.
BUT NOT ALL OF RELATIVE SMALL.
BUT HOW MANY OF 'EM ARE 50, 60, 70 YEARS OLD WHEN THEY'RE IN DISTRESS AREAS? THAT'S, I MEAN, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THE, YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL SELLING SOME OF THIS STUFF WHEN IT'S IN TRUTH.
WE DO SOME, WE DO SOME OF THAT IN THE COUNTY.
I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT THE PACE AT WHICH WE DO THAT KIND OF THING NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DO PRETTY WELL COMPARED TO SOME PLACES, IS, IS CERTAINLY WE'RE NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE AGING.
THAT'S MY POINT OF THE HOUSING STOCK.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER RESOURCE QUESTION, LIKE RIGHT.
MOST OF THESE END UP BEING, IT'S A RESOURCE.
AND IT'S ALSO WHAT THE LEGALITY OF DOING SOME OF THESE THINGS, IF WE WANNA PASS, UM, AMENDMENTS, OR, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? IF THE COUNTY SHOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IN INDIVIDUAL HOUSING, UNLESS IT'S A REAL ISSUE OF THE SAFETY.
SO, SO A CONVERSATION SAFETY, SO THEN THE HOUSES GET OLDER, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY UNINHABITABLE.
SO CONVERSATION, WHAT DO WE DO THAT WE HAVE, SOME OF US HAVE HAD BEFORE IS, YOU KNOW, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, YOU CAN HAVE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
'CAUSE THAT'S OVERSEEING, THERE'S A TENSION BETWEEN PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM TO, BUT AS YOUR HOUSING, BE CAREFUL AS YOUR HOUSING STOCK AGES, THAT BECOMES A BIGGER CHALLENGE.
I ALMOST, SO WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS SLUM SLUMLORDS.
YOU'RE AVOIDING TRYING TO AVOID THE SLUM BOARD SITUATION.
SO YOU MAINTAIN A, YOU MAINTAIN A CERTAIN STANDARD, WELL, HOUSING SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN SOMETHING THAT'S, I'M WONDERING, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD TURN IT AROUND AND IF WE GET REQUESTS FROM OLDER CITIZENS WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEIR HOUSE AND NEED WORK BEING DONE, AND THEY, THEY'RE UNABLE TO DO IT.
IF, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO HELP THAT.
WELL, THE HOUSING DIVISION DOES THAT QUITE, AND ARE WE DOING THAT NOW? HOUSING DIVISION? WE DOING THAT? YES.
WHAT'S THIS NAME? YEAH, WE DO A LOT OF, I THINK I APPROVED THREE REPOSITIONS THE OTHER DAY FOR ROOF AND AN AIR CONDITIONING.
BUT SEE, THAT'S FOR BATHROOMS. I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YEAH.
WELL, AND IT'S THE LAST BULLET, UH, ON THE SLIDE HERE, ACTUALLY A SPEECH TO IT.
WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW WE HAVE ALL THESE, UH, SENIOR APARTMENTS THAT ARE BUILT FOR, UH, SENIORS,
UH, BUT, UH, MOST OLDER RESIDENTS, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, WOULD RATHER AGE IN PLACE.
AND WE ARE DOING SOME OF THAT THROUGH THE HOUSING OFFICE.
AND SO, UH, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, HELPING SENIORS WHO NEED ASSISTANCE, WHETHER THAT'S FINANCIAL OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF ASSISTANCE.
HOW DO WE PUBLICIZE THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO WE LET THE, THE OLDER POPULATION KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM, THAT THEY CAN COME AND ASK US FOR ADVICE OR HELP? WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME STOP US HERE RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS EASY TO GO OFF OF ON EVERY SUBJECT WE HAVE HERE.
THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL SUBJECTS THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AT, AT A DIFFERENT MEETING.
JUST RIGHT NOW, WE GOTTA COVER A LOT OF MATERIAL AND WE CAN'T ANSWER EVERY QUESTION.
SO I'M, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SHEILA.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM FOR, WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS FOR SENIORS, BUT THIS IS PART WE'RE DRESSING IN HERE.
I WANT TO GET THROUGH THIS BOOK TONIGHT.
IT COULD TAKE FOUR YEARS AND GO THROUGH IT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF.
SO LET'S STICK ON THE SUBJECTS AND LET'S GET THROUGH THIS STUFF.
AND THEN INDIVIDUAL, I SHOULD, IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, PERCOLATE IN YOUR MIND SOME KNOWLEDGE OR SOME ISSUE THAT WE COULD BRING UP LATER, LATER DATE AND ADDRESS IT THROUGH, THROUGH THE BUDGET OR POLICY.
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC FACILITIES.
THAT INCLUDES SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, TOURISM, GOVERNMENT OFFICES.
UH, ONE THING WE TALK ABOUT IS, UH, STANDARDS OF LIBRARY EXCELLENCE.
UH, AND IN MOST AREAS, THE COUNTY IS TRIPLE E, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE BEST THAT YOU CAN BE.
UH, BUT WE DO TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR CONTINUED INVESTMENTS IN COLLECTIONS AND TECHNOLOGY.
UH, UH, NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THAT RATING.
OR, UH, IN THE CASE OF STAFFING, ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THAT RATING.
UH, WITH THE, UH, YORKTOWN LIBRARY EX EXPANSION, WE DO ACTUALLY MEET THE AAA STANDARD FOR FACILITIES, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
I MENTIONED PLACEMAKING, UH, EARLIER IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT.
IT'S ALSO ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC FACILITIES.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING MAINLY ABOUT
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YORKTOWN AND INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENHANCE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE, THE WAY, FINDING WHAT SIGNS, WIFI AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, UH, STAGE, THAT SORT OF THING.UH, IN THE AREA OF PARKS AND REC, WE TALK, WE HAD A HEALTHY DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT THE CONVERSION OF ATHLETIC FIELDS FROM NATURAL TO SYNTHETIC TURF.
UH, PROVIDE FOR YEAR ROUND, UH, USE THAT HELP US KEEP UP WITH THE HEAVY DEMAND.
UH, THAT'S GROWN AS WE'VE GONE TO YEAR ROUND PRACTICES ALSO HELPS IN OUR, UH, SPORTS TOURISM EFFORTS.
UH, AND OF COURSE, IT'S, UH, A NO BRAINER THAT WE USE THE COMP PLAN TO GUIDE THE BUDGETING OF THE COUNTY FUNDS FOR, UH, C I P PROJECTS IN, UH, TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, PURSUING, UH, FEDERAL, STATE REGIONAL FUNDING TO ENHANCE ROAD CAPACITY.
UM, TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT COVERS, NOT JUST ROADWAYS THOUGH, BUT ALSO WALKWAYS, BIKEWAYS TRANSIT, UH, IN AIR TRAVEL.
THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION OF RAIL, EVEN THOUGH WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO AND MUCH INFLUENCE OVER WHAT THE RAILROADS DO.
UM, WE TALK ABOUT INVESTING IN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND RESPONSE CAPABILITY, UH, ENHANCEMENTS, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THOSE C I P PROJECTS, THE 9 1 1, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE FIRE AND RESCUE APPARATUS.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF ROADWAY NEEDS IN THIS COUNTY, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM ALL.
WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, THEM WITHOUT FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS.
UM, WE'VE BEAT UP SMART SCALE PRODUCTS AND SETS.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET FUNDING FOR WIDENING THE NEXT SEGMENT OF ROUTE 17 PORTIONS OF 1 71.
UH, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
IN RECENT YEARS, COUNTY'S MADE SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS A REAL PRIORITY.
UH, AND THIS NEW EMPHASIS ON ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION IS REFLECTED IN THE DRAFT PLAN.
AND WE HAVE, UH, IN THERE A WALKWAYS MAP SHOWING NOT JUST EXISTING WALKWAYS, BUT THOSE THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE, THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED, OR REVENUE SHARING OR OTHER FUNDING PROJECTS.
AND, UH, THOSE THAT THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY DOING ON ITS OWN.
AND ALSO, UH, OTHER WALKWAYS THAT, UH, WE THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD BE DOING AT SOME POINT OVER THE 20 YEAR LIFE OF THIS PLAN.
UM, I MIGHT ADD THAT SIDEWALKS AND BIKEWAYS WERE HUGELY POPULAR, UH, WITH PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AND SPOKE AND, YOU KNOW, RANKED HIGH IN THEIR SURVEY THAT WE DID.
SO THERE'S SOME, UH, OVERLAP HERE BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT ELEMENT WHERE WE TALK AGAIN ABOUT ELEVATING ROADS, UH, MITIGATE SEA LEVEL RISE AND STORAGE, EXCUSE ME.
UH, A DEVELOPER, DEVELOPERS DECIDE THEY WANT TO COME INTO THE COUNTY AND BUILD A EXCHANGEABLE SIZE DEVELOPMENT.
TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THE DEVELOPER, THROUGH OUR HISTORY, UH, PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY RELATIVE TO INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS THE ROAD NETWORK, UH, OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT? UM, AND I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT EMBO AND, UH, WELL, UH, IF IT'S A, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S ONE THING.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE, UH, RULES IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, BIKEWAYS DEPENDING ON THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE, UH, TURN LANES, UH, INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH MM-HMM.
WHERE WE CAN REQUIRE THEM IS, UH, WHEN THERE'S, UH, SOME LEGISLATIVE ACTION, LIKE A RE, WELL, NOT, NOT A REZONING, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE TO BE PROPER, BUT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WE COULD REQUIRE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, OR SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN FOR A REZONING, UH, TAKE SMITH FARMS DOWN THERE ON YORKTOWN ROAD, THEY PROFFERED A NUMBER OF OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, DOWN YORKTOWN ROAD, A SIDEWALK THE OTHER DIRECTION, UH, A TRAIL THAT, UH, RUNS ACTUALLY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY, BUT WILL BE OPEN TO THE, THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY NEED A REZONING AND, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE NEGATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, UH, THAT,
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UH, YOU KNOW, YOU THAT, AND THEY DON'T OFFER SOME KIND OF MITIGATION, THEY DON'T ADDRESS IT ANY WAY, IN SOME WAY, YOU CAN JUST SAY NO AND DENY THE REZONING.TO WHAT EXTENT IS VDOT INVOLVED IN THAT SAME QUESTION? WELL, UH, ANY, UH, DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN THAT COMES IN OR REZONING SPECIAL USED PROGRAM? WELL, NOT, OKAY.
UH, THEN OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THEM TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
WE REVIEW IT, WE SEND IT TO VDOT FOR THEIR REVIEW.
UH, AND THEY IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT WORKS OR IF SOME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN ROAD IMPROVEMENT? WHAT DOES WORK MEAN? OKAY.
IF IT HAS A NEGATIVE, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, ALL, ALL TRANSPORTATION HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
WE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, LET ME START OVER, I GUESS.
AND THE T I A IS SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY WHAT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROADWAY NETWORK ARE NECESSARY TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, A DEGREE, THE LEVEL OF, OF TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT? LIKE BRINGING FROM LEVEL OF SERVICE D TO C, RIGHT? RIGHT.
ACTUALLY, LEVEL OF SERVICE D IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE, UH, BY VDOT.
I WOULD SAY THE, THE, THE CORE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, IN A COUNTY LIKE YORK, VDOT IS THE CONTROLLING ENTITY FOR SITE PLAN AND APPROVAL AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION.
WE, WE HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON IT, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY CONTROL.
AND EVEN IN CASES WHERE THERE'S REZONINGS OR USE PERMITS, UH, I THINK COMMONWEALTH GREEN, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAD A PLAN FOR WHERE THE ROAD WAS GONNA GO THROUGH MM-HMM.
AND THEN YEARS LATER, VDOT SAID, UH, NO, UH, WE DON'T LIKE THAT.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN OUR LEGISLATIVE ACTION, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, UH, VDOT IS BASICALLY IN CHARGE, BUT VDOT DOESN'T DO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
THEY REVIEW THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY REVIEW IT, AND THEY TELL US WHETHER THE DEVELOPER HAS ADEQUATELY, UH, ADDRESSED THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT ARE GENERATED BY THE PROJECT ASPR BY STATE LAW.
SOME OF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.
SO I, HELL, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? BUT WE ENDED UP HAVING TO LIVE WITH IT BECAUSE VIDO SAID IT WAS OKAY.
DID YOU SPONSORED WHAT? THE ROAD IT SPONSORED GETTING EXTRA TWO FEET ON BOTH SIDES.
IN SOME STATES, IN SOME STATES, THERE'S LAW THAT ALLOWS A LOCALITY TO REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, GO BEYOND THE PROPERTY OWNED FOR ELECTRO PUBLICATE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT IN VIRGINIA, IT IS NOT STRICT.
A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WALT IS THAT, UM, VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.
UH, THE THREE, THREE OF OUR DISTRICTS ARE IMPACTED BY VICTORY BOULEVARD.
IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE LAST 20 YEARS, THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON THAT ROAD, EVEN THOUGH HUNDREDS, HUNDREDS OF HOMES HAVE BEEN ADDED, HAVE BEEN MADE THROUGH PROFFERS FROM THE COUNTY.
WALGREENS, HARPER STATION, KILN CREEK, YOU NAME IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT TO OVER 20 YEARS.
BECAUSE THE STATE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SIT THERE AND LOOK AT THE BOOKS AND WAVE A, WAVE, A MAGIC WAND, SAY, YEAH, IT'S GOOD, BUT GUESS WHAT? IT AIN'T GOOD.
AND, AND SO WE HAVE TO GO IN AND SCROUNGE AROUND.
AND GOING TO TIM'S POINT, YOU RECALL THAT THE STATE ACTUALLY AT ONE TIME HAD LEGISLATION THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN ASK THE QUESTION OF A PROFFER THAT MAY STILL EXIST.
THAT WAS A BIG ONE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN ANOTHER NORTHERN VIRGINIA MM-HMM.
AND NOW WE WERE, AND, AND SO DEVELOPERS ARE GOING GREAT.
JUST DON'T, IF YOU COME UP AND ASK FOR IT, GUESS WHAT? THEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM, YOUR LEGAL ISSUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS TODAY, BUT ANYWAY, THAT BASICALLY WENT AWAY.
IT DID, BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS CRAZY.
LET'S GO AHEAD GET, GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, WELL, I'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, LAND USE, WHICH IS THE LAST, LAST ELEMENT OF THE PLAN.
UM, SO I KNOW YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE 80,000 MAXIMUM BUILD OUT POPULATION TARGET THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THE 1990 COMP PLAN.
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THE, UH, NO, IT'S CHANGED EVERY, WELL, NOT REALLY.UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LITERAL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS IF, WELL, AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT AS A NOTIONAL RIGHT.
UM, BUT, UH, AT THE, IN THE SCIENTIFIC SURVEY THAT WAS CONDUCTED AT THE OUTSET OF THIS PROCESS, UM, AND IN THE, UH, PARTICULARLY THE LAND USE FORMS THAT WE HAD IN SEPTEMBER, 2021, UH, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WAS A BIG ISSUE, A BIG CONCERN ON THE PART OF, UH, OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS AND THE ATTENDEES AT THOSE FORUMS. AND SO THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO KEEP THIS, UH, GENERAL TARGET OF 80,000 RESIDENTS, UM, UH, IN PLACE.
AND SO THAT IS STILL IN THE PLAN AS IT HAS BEEN EVER SINCE 1991.
ANOTHER ITEM THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAND USE PUBLIC FORUMS WAS A DESIRE FROM RESIDENTS OF MINO PRIMARILY, UH, THAT THE COUNTY HAVE AN AREA PLAN DONE FOR LIGHTFOOT.
UH, AN AREA PLAN IS SORT OF A MORE DETAILED, UH, PLAN THAT'S, UH, GOES INTO MORE DETAIL THAN YOU CAN IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, BUT THEIR CONCERN, UH, UP THERE WAS THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 600 ACRES, UH, THERE ON LIGHTFOOT ROAD, UH, MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED OR UNDERDEVELOPED, UH, OWNED BY THE PROP, THE POTTERY, THE POTTERY PROPERTY, AND THE GAWK CAPITAL PROPERTY TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT 600 ACRES.
UH, AND SO THERE WAS A REALLY STRONG PUSH, UH, FROM THE ATTENDEES, UH, THAT, UH, THE COUNTY HAVE AN AREA PLAN DONE FOR LIGHTFOOT.
SO HOW IS THAT, HOW DOES THE AREA PLAN PLAY INTO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A COMP PLAN AND, AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE? WELL, AN AREA PLAN IS MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN A COMP PLAN IS.
UH, SO YOU'D BASICALLY HAVE, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND, AND HELP US WITH THIS.
WE, WE OBVIOUSLY INVOLVE, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT, LOCAL RESIDENTS? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T BE MORE DETAILED.
WHAT DOES IT DO AS A DIRECTIVE? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU IMPLEMENT IT THROUGH ZONING.
WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYTHING DICTATES THE ZONING.
WHAT SOME LOCALITIES, UH, HAVE DONE, IF THEY'VE DONE THAT AREA PLANS, UH, THEY COULD CREATE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S ONE WAY THAT YOU COULD, UH, ADDRESS IT.
AND THEN YOU CREATE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA HAS TO MEET THESE CERTAIN CRITERIA.
AND THIS IS, TO ME, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK FOR ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET, GET ALL WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ON THE COMP PLAN.
WHEN WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND CHANGE IT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE MAKE CHANGES.
SO WE GO INTO, I MEAN, OVER YEARS, DECADES, WE'VE HEARD THIS, PEOPLE COME IN AND GO, WELL, WHAT YOU'RE DOING THIS? WHEN, HOW CAN YOU BUILD THIS? HOW CAN YOU PUT THE SUBDIVISION IN THERE? AND ALL THAT? WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE ZONING MAP, IT REFLECTS WHAT'S PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, ON THE LAND.
SO I WOULD JUST ADD THAT USUALLY WITH AN AREA PLAN LIKE THIS, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA DO A LOT OF CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT YOU COME FORWARD WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTED BY CITIZENS IN THAT AREA.
SO, SO IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE CITIZENS, BUT, BUT, AND I'LL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT ONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE IN DISTRICT ONE, YOU'RE PART OF THE COUNTY THAT HAS FIVE TOTAL, FIVE DISTRICTS.
SO THINGS THAT OCCUR IN DISTRICT ONE CAN BE TILTED TOWARDS THE CITIZEN'S DESIRE, BUT ALSO HAS TO SUPPORT THE ACTIONS THAT'S BEING PROVIDED IN THE OTHER THREE OR FOUR DISTRICTS.
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ONE DISTRICT DOING ONE THING AND FOUR OTHER DISTRICTS DOING SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF CONCERNED IS THAT WE END, WE END UP BUILDING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING DISAPPOINTED DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, BUT WE STARTED BUILDING IN THESE, THESE, THESE, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD EVEN CALL 'EM, THESE VARIOUS PLANS, BUT IN THE END, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS WHAT WE, WE, IT LEGALLY DICTATES WHAT WE DO.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY, RIGHT, MM-HMM.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AREA PLANS IN, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES.
I MEAN, WHAT COMES OUT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, AN OPEN QUESTION IN ADDITION TO CITIZEN INPUT, I THINK, I'M PRETTY SURE CITIZEN INPUT WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEED TO INCLUDE THE OWNERS OF THE REAL ESTATE
AND THE QUESTION IS, SOMETIMES WHAT COMES OUT OF 'EM IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF EVERYBODY FEELS OKAY ABOUT, UH, IN WHICH CASE IT'S A GOOD RESULT.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS END THAT WAY.
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IT'S, IT'S MAYBE AN ATTEMPT TO DRILL DOWN INTO WHAT SOME SUBSET OF AN AREA MIGHT BE.BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IN AN ACTUAL PROCESS VARIES.
IT'S AN EXPECTATION OF PEOPLE, OF THE EXPECTATIONS OF CITIZENS AND OUR GOVERNMENT ACTIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WE PUT INPUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR AREA PLAN OR DISTRICT OVERLAYS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN EVERYBODY GETS ALL, YOU KNOW, ENERGIZED WHEN WE HAVE TO, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, HAVE TO CHANGE WHAT WE GOTTA DO.
AND WE GO TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT A PERSON THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY IS GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THESE OTHER NOTIONAL PLANS OF WHAT THE THINGS SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
IT GOES BACK, HENCE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND SO I JUST, I'M JUST BEING CAREFUL HERE.
WHEN WE START THROWING OUT THESE TERMS, DO WE WANNA GO DO THIS OVERLAY AND ALL THAT? WELL, WE COULD DO AN OVERLAY OVER, OVER THE WHOLE COUNTY IN VARIOUS UNITS, BUT ALL, ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS I THINK, FRUSTRATE PEOPLE IN THE END, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE THE LAND WORK FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT.
PEOPLE LIVE AROUND IT, AND THE BUSINESSES FOR OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY AS A, AS A WHOLE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND FINISH UP QUESTION.
IS THERE AN AREA PLAN FOR THE LIGHTFOOT AREA? NO.
HOW COME? COMP PLAN'S ALL WE'VE EVER HAD, THAT'S ALL WE'VE EVER HAD.
IT'S ONLY CAME UP WITH, IN THE PAST, YOU MENTIONED THE IMPORTANCE OF AREA PLAN, UH, SUPERIMPOSED OVER THE COMP PLAN PLAN, BUT THERE IS NO, THERE NO, NO.
THIS, THIS ISSUE ONLY CAME UP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD TYPICALLY DO THE COMP PLAN.
BEFORE YOU DO AREA PLANS, YOU DO THE COMP PLAN FIRST, AND WE'RE NOT, AM I CORRECT IN SAYING IF IF THE BOARD ADOPTS THE COMP PLAN MORE OR LESS AS DRAFTED, THEN WITH THAT EVIDENCE, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE AREA PLAN? THAT'S THAT, THAT'S HOW IT WORK.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF ONE OF THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE COMP PLAN THAT YOU ADOPT IS PREPARE A DETAILED AREA PLAN FOR LIGHTFOOT, THEN CERTAINLY THE STAFF'S GONNA COME TO YOU AND SAY, GOTCHA, OKAY, WE MADE A PROMISE TO DO THIS.
THIS IS HOW WE PROCEED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED TO DO IT.
OUR PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS WAS IT WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE SOME KIND OF CONSULTING PLANNER, UH, IN SOME KIND OF COMMITTEE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
TIM, DO YOU RECALL HOW THAT 80,000 NUMBER WAS? I'M SORRY? DO YOU RECALL HOW THAT 80,000 RESIDENT NUMBER WAS CALCULATED? HOW THAT WAS DETERMINED? WELL, UH, YES.
AT THE TIME THAT WE DID THE 1991 COMP PLAN, UM, THE POP POPULATION WAS AT ABOUT 40,000 UNDER THE LAND USE PLAN.
IT WAS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME, UH, BASED ON THE DENSITIES, UH, THAT WERE IN THAT PLAN, AND AN ASSUMPTION AS FAR AS PARCELS PER HOUSEHOLD, UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT PLAN COULD RESULT IN UP TO 135,000 RESIDENTS.
SO, AT THE OUTSET OF THAT PLAN PROCESS, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF SURVEYS, WELL QUESTIONNAIRES REALLY, UH, WE HAD A CITIZEN QUESTIONNAIRE.
WE HAD A MORE DETAILED QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WENT OUT TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, MEMBERS, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, UH, MEMBERS OF OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CURRENT LAND USE PLAN WOULD ALLOW THE POPULATION TO GROW EVENTUALLY TO 135,000.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK? ASSUMING EVERY PIECE OF LAND WERE DEVELOPED AT ITS MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY, AND WHAT DO YOU, THE RESPONDENT THINK, UH, IS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR OUR MAXIMUM BUILD OUT POPULATION? AND 80,000 WAS BY FAR THE CHOICE OF, OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED, BOTH THE CITIZENS WHO RESPONDED TO THE SHORTER SURVEY AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS, ET CETERA, WHO RESPONDED TO THE LONG SURVEY.
BY CITIZEN AND BOARD PLANNING COMMISSION INPUT SOUNDS LIKE, LIKE NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SCIENTIFIC RIGOR BEHIND IT, BUT MORE OF A, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE.
WELL, IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS A CAPACITY ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
NO, IT'S JUST A GENERAL FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 40,000, 80,000 FEELS ABOUT RIGHT.
THAT'S JUST, AGAIN, JUST WONDERING HOW IT CAME ABOUT.
SO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN MECHANISM TO DRIVE TO THAT NUMBER IS OUR ZONING ORDINANCES, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S THE ZONING, IT'S, UH, THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL ZONED LAND AND THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY.
SO DOES OUR, DO YOU FEEL THAT CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCES THEY LAID OUT, WE'LL MATCH THAT TARGET,
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OR, I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL ADDRESS THAT.I MEAN, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT OKAY.
SO, UH,
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY TIGHTLY COUPLED, AND THEY'RE VERY CRITICAL TO YOUR COUNTY'S FUTURE.
WE'VE GOT A KIND OF, WE'VE GOT A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE WHERE HALF OF OUR COUNTY IS, IS FEDERAL THAT YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, MILITARY BASES WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE, ABLE TO USE, WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR BIG INDUSTRIAL, LIKE, LIKE A SHIPYARD, LIKE A MAJOR DATA CENTER COMING IN HERE TO OFFSET TAX REVENUE, RESIDENTIAL TAX REVENUE.
SO IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL WITH HOW WE MANAGE OUR HOUSING GROWTH, AND IF WE GROW TOO MUCH TOO FAST, WE'RE GONNA PUT OURSELVES IN A, IN A BAD SPOT WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN OUR SERVICES IF WE'RE TOO DENSELY PACKED IN HERE.
AND WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.
AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M STILL DOING A DEEP DIVE HERE WITH THAT, THAT THOSE PARTS, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE I'M PAYING A LOT, A LOT OF ATTENTION HERE.
AND THE NEXT COMP PLAN NEEDS TO DO THE SAME THING AS WELL.
UM, TIM, ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT TIM AND, UH, HE WAS TIM AND MARK CARTER AND THAT GROUP, OKAY.
IS THAT THEY GOT A TREMENDOUS HISTORY AND YOU KNOW, SHEILA AND, AND, UH, SHEILA AND WALT, UM, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO HEARD, WE'VE HEARD THIS THING HOW MANY TIMES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
OKAY? THAT'S GONNA BE THE PANACEA.
AND WHY WAS, WHY WOULD THE AVERAGE, UH, THE AVERAGE, WHY WOULD THE CITIZENRY BE ALL UP IN ARMS OVER THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THAT PERIOD AROUND 1996, ABOUT 19 95, 96 TO ABOUT 2007 AND EIGHT, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE POP THE POPULATION WENT NUTS.
WHAT HAPPENED? IT WAS, IT WAS A BIG HOUSING BOOM.
AND, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WOULD END UP WITH, I MEAN, WE HAD JUST, IF WE WERE GROWING IT 5% A YEAR, YOU, I MEAN 5%, THAT'S A WHOPPING NUMBER, RIGHT? SO THEN THE, THEN THE IDEA OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WERE, HOW ARE WE GONNA CONTROL THIS? I MEAN, PEOPLE WOULDN'T KNOW HOW YOU GONNA GET UNDER CONTROL? GOOD FOLKS WERE MOVING IN, THEY LIKED IT, AND THEN THEY WANTED ROLL UP SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE COMING BEHIND THEM.
ALRIGHT? SO THE, THE, AND THIS IS BEFORE I GOT ON THE BOARD, SHEILA, I THINK SHEILA AND WALT WERE DOING THIS, AND IT WAS THE IDEA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP.
THIS IS WHERE WE TOOK FOCUS ON THAT ZONING MAP.
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT UNDER CONTROL? SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS AND, UH, YORKSHIRE DOWNS IS THE, ONE OF THE OLDEST SUBDIVISIONS PLATTED IN THIS COUNTY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
OKAY? AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY WERE PLATTED OUT 30, 40 YEARS BEFORE WE EVEN, BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE SHOWED UP.
AND SO WHO WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE COUNTY AGAINST OVERPOPULATION? NO ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS THE DEVELOPER IN THE WOODS.
THAT'S ALL IN THE SQUIRRELS, THE RACCOONS, RIGHT? SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS BOW WAVE OF DEVELOPMENT FLUSHED, FLUSHED ACROSS THE COUNTY, AND, UH, AND, AND THE POPULATION JUST TOOK OFF.
YOU JUST LOOK AT THE MAP AND YOU CAN SEE THE TIME.
SO, UM, YOU GOT IT DOWN TO AROUND THREE PER, THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT, UNDER 1%, RIGHT? WHICH WAS WELL MANAGEABLE AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN YOU COULD DO, YOU, YOU HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I MEAN, ONCE YOU GET ABOVE IT, IT WAS, IT IS CRAZY DC THAT AREA UP THERE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.
IT WAS JUST, EVERY DAY YOU WAKE UP AND YOU'D SEE A, A SUBDIVISION KIND OF ROLLING ACROSS THE MOUNTAINS, SO, OR THE HILLS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT 80% OR 80, 80,000 NUMBERS BEEN AROUND.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A JOKE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I CALLED THE, IN THE, IN THE PENTAGON WHEN WE WORKED THESE NUMBERS.
THESE ARE NOTIONAL FIGURES, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP AT 80,000, YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA STOP AT 80,000.
THE PRICE OF LAND WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE PEOPLE WILL COME UP AND THEY'LL START WHAT THEY DO, THEY START ING VERTICAL.
I GUARANTEE IT'LL HAPPEN ANYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE HERE.
THE IMPORTANT PART, I THINK OF THIS COMP PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE GOOD FOR ABOUT ANOTHER 10,000 PEOPLE, AND THEN WE'RE THERE.
AND SO WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT AN EXTRA 10,000 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY WHERE, JUST THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU'D PUT 'EM.
LIGHTFOOT, YOU GOT, I, WE GOT 80 ACRES DOWN THERE IN, IN MY DISTRICT.
THEY STILL PUT A BUNCH IN THERE.
YOU LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BIG WOODS AND POSA.
THEY JUST SHOW 530 HOMES LAID UP AGAINST VICTORY BOULEVARD.
SO WHERE YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PUT EXTRA 10,000 PEOPLE? RIGHT? AND, AND MY QUESTION IS, CAN CAN SIAN AFFORD THAT? I DON'T, I KNOW.
BUT WE DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME OUR PROBLEM.
IF, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WELL, THAT MEANS THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO THINK OF IN, IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SEA OIL ARRIVES, GOES UP ANOTHER FOOT AND A HALF, AND THOSE PEOPLE IN POCS HAVE TO MOVE INTO YOUR COUNTY OR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNTY.
YOU GOTTA FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE TO LIVE.
THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE PART OF THAT PLAN.
TIM, WHERE ARE WE?
UH, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, CONSERVATION AREAS.
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UH, SEVERAL CITIZENS SPEAK ABOUT CONSERVATION.WE DEDICATED ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, SOME OUTSIDE EXPERTS COME IN AND TALK ABOUT CONSERVATION.
AND WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, OBJECTIVES IN THE PLAN TO TALK ABOUT, UH, CONSERVATION.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE GREENWAY PROPOSAL DOWN THERE IN THE, UH, TAB AREA, THE, UH, AROUND, UH, YORKTOWN ROAD AND, AND BIG BETHEL ROAD.
UM, AND WE TALK ABOUT, UH, CONSERVATION, UH, TAPPING INTO, UH, FEMA GRANTS, UH, UH, MAYBE DOING SOME CONSERVATION, UH, OUT IN SOME OF THESE, UH, AREAS THAT ARE PRONE TO SEA LEVEL RISE.
UM, AND, AND SO, UH, WE, UH, ADDRESS, UH, CONSERVATION AND NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE, I'M SURE I SEE MR. STRUBLE SITTING OVER THERE.
AND, UH, HE, HE SPOKE TO THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION TO, UH, HE WAS, HE WAS ADVOCATING, UM, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE A MORE FOR LIKE A FORMAL CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
AND HE, HE CAN DESCRIBE IT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HAVE A, HAVE A CITIZEN BOARD OF SOME KIND THAT WOULD IDENTIFY, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, FOR POSSIBLE ACQUISITION.
I GUESS, UH, THE COMMITTEE IN THE END OPTED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT IDEA.
UM, ONE THING, UH, ONE REASON I THINK IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SO MUCH CONSERVATION LAND IN THE COUNTY.
IT'S, UH, BASICALLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF OUR LAND AREA.
WHEN YOU TAKE IN THE NEWPORT NEWS, UH, WATERSHED, THE, UH, WILLIAMSBURG WATERSHED, UH, AND, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, UH, IS THAT, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF LAND HAS GONE INTO CONSERVATION, UH, UP THERE AT WALLER MILL HEIGHTS, UH, WHERE COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG SET ASIDE ABOUT HALF OF THE LAND AND DONATED IT TO, AT THE TIME, I THINK IT WAS THE WILLIAMSBURG LAND CONSERVANCY, UH, I MENTIONED THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST.
UH, THEY ACQUIRED, UH, PROPERTY OFF OF, UH, UH, GOOSE LEE ROAD OR CRAWFORD ROAD, SORRY.
UH, THEY RECENTLY ACQUIRED ABOUT 150 ACRES OF AIRPORT PROPERTY THAT BECAME, THAT DECLARED SURPLUS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD DESIGNATED FOR, UH, LIMITED INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND SO I BELIEVE, I THINK THE, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT I THINK THEIR FEELING WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE NOT THE RESULT OF COUNTY EFFORTS, IF WE HAVE THESE PRIVATE NON-PROFIT ENTITIES THAT ARE ADDRESSING CONSERVATION IN THIS WAY, AND, UH, PRETTY EFFECTIVELY, OBVIOUSLY, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE NEED A COUNTY, UH, COUNTY BOARD OPEN SPACE CONSERVATION BOARD OR, OR COMMISSION? UM, AND THE OTHER, UH, PIECE OF THAT IS, UH, AS YOU'LL SEE LATER ON, THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT'S LEFT AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT IS, UH, RELATIVELY SMALL.
UM, SO I GUESS MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN HERE, I CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT QUICK, BUT SOMEWHERE IN HERE, THERE WAS A, THERE'S A LIST OF AVAILABLE DEVELOPABLE LAND, UM, NUMBER OF ACRES THAT MM-HMM.
SO, I, I GUESS MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS ALL, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THAT 78? OR WHAT'S THE VISION FOR THAT? 78 800.
HE DID NOT, HE DID NOT PAY ME FOR THIS.
UM, THE LAST THING, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
WELL, IT'S AN EXAMPLE PROMOTING THE REDEVELOPMENT, ADAPTIVE REUSE OF VACANT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITES.
CASA PEARL, NEIL REMINDED ME, UH, MERRIMACK TRAIL WAS A HORRIBLE OLD BLIGHTED TEXACO STATION.
UH, NOW IT'S A GREAT OYSTER RESTAURANT, UH, VIRGINIA BEER COMPANY, THAT WHOLE STRETCH PARKWAY PRINT SHOP.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, BEEN A REAL TURNAROUND.
AND SO, UH, BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, IS GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT IMPEDIMENTS THERE ARE TO REDEVELOPMENT AND ADAPTIVE REUSE.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE RISK MAKING THE PERFECT, THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD.
UH, WE HAVE THESE NONCONFORMING SITES.
WELL, MAYBE THEY, MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN POSSIBLE TO BRING THEM INTO FULL CONFORMITY, BUT IF WE CAN BRING THEM CLOSER TO IT, YOU KNOW, AND PUT A GOOD ATTRACTIVE BUSINESS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO DO THAT.
AND REDEVELOPMENT IS VERY EXPENSIVE, AND REDEVELOPMENT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
UH, AND, UH, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT, UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROUTE 17 AND THERE, THERE WAS A REGULATORY PIECE OF THAT ALSO WHERE WE CREATED THE
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ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION DISTRICT, WHERE WE KIND OF RELAXED STANDARDS, UH, FOR CERTAIN, UH, NON-CONFORMING SITES, UH, ALONG NOT JUST ROUTE 17, BUT OTHER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, UH, TO TRY TO PROMOTE REDEVELOPMENT.SO, UH, JUST WANT TO, WELL, BEFORE WE GET GOING FURTHER, I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, UH, 600 ACRES THAT YOU ALLUDED TO, TOM, CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE POTTERY.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE POTTERY IS, RIGHT? UH, AND, UH, THAT'S 600 ACRES IF WE WERE AWAKE WHEN TIM TRENT FROM KAMAN CANNO GAVE BRIEFING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, RIGHT NOW IS UNDER LOOK BY A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY CALLED NORTH POINT THAT WANTS TO BUILD A MEGA, MEGA, MEGA COMPLEX OF WAREHOUSES.
UH, MY SUCCESSOR AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED FROM NORTH POINT.
OKAY? WE BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUND SOME SERIOUS MISTAKES IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS, OKAY? SO ONE OF THE THINGS COMING OUT OF TODAY IS I'M GONNA PUT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF MY REPUTATION ON THE LINE, THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP DEVOTED TO THAT 600 ACRES UP THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT THE VICTIM OF OVERBUILDING.
UH, YOU ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S ROSHAMBO THAT RUNS UP PARALLEL TO THE HIGHWAY I 64.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? LIGHTFOOT ROAD IS THAT BIG SWEEPING CURVE UP HERE, RIGHT? UH, IT'S ONE LANE THIS WAY.
ONE LANE THIS WAY, OKAY? THE POTENTIAL FOR AN INCREDIBLE SERIES OF ACCIDENTS IS THERE, UNLESS WE MAKE DARN SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING MEETS BOTH THE EXISTING ZONING AND REQUIREMENTS AND ANYTHING THAT MIGHT EVOLVE OUT OF THAT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL PART OF GROWTH.
BUT MY POINT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE FEW VIRGIN PIECES OF LAND UP HERE, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, 600 ACRES IS, IS, IS A INCREDIBLE MAGNET FOR DEVELOPERS, FOR ONE REASON OR THE OTHER.
THIS HAPPENS TO BE MEGA WAREHOUSES,
SO WE'VE GOT SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.
AND, AND THE NEXT DAY OR SO, I, WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE THE, THE BOARD, THE STAFF, UH, THE RESULTS OF AN ANALYSIS TO SHOW YOU THAT SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE, THE, UH, EITHER THE, THE LAW FIRM OR THE DEVELOPER, PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF BOTH ARE NOT CORRECT, SIGNIFICANTLY NOT CORRECT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL PART OF WHAT TIM IS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS, WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE MUCH LEFT IN TERMS OF ACREAGE.
WELL, THAT'S, I COME BACK TO MY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PLAN ITSELF, WHAT GONNA DO, TIM, WHATCHA YOU GONNA PUT 10,000 MORE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY? WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT 'EM? I MEAN, I LOVE TO HEAR THAT.
I LOVE ALL THIS, THE PAINTED SLIDES AND EVERYTHING.
THIS IS, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT 10,000 MORE PEOPLE? OKAY, SO ANYWAY, GO AHEAD.
THE CENTERPIECE OF THE LAND USE ELEMENT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH YOU SEE UP HERE.
UH, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S IN THIS SHADE OF YELLOW OR ORANGE.
GREEN IS MILITARY WITH CONSERVATION, UH, MATA RED OR IS COMMERCIAL, AND THE INDUSTRIAL IS SHADES OF GRAY.
UM, THIS IS REALLY THE MAIN POLICY TOOL OF THE COMP PLAN, APART FROM THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES IDENTIFIES THE PREFERRED TYPE OF LAND USE IN EACH AREA OF THE COUNTY.
AND IT'S FROM THIS MAP THAT, UH, ZONING, UH, ZONING FLOWS IN, UH, MOST CASES, UH, IN THE PLAN THAT IS BEFORE YOU PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LAND USE MAP ARE INTENDED ONLY TO REFLECT CHANGES IN ZONING, LAND USE, OR PROPERTY OWNERSHIP THAT HAVE OCCURRED SINCE 2 20 13.
UH, SO IT DOES REFLECT, IT DOES ACTUALLY BREAK THAT, THAT REZONING REFLECTS CHANGES, RIGHT.
SINCE 2013, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING, UM, IN THIS ANY DOWN ZONING.
I MEAN, POTENTIAL FOR DOWN ZONING, NO.
GET US ALL KIND OF LEGAL TROUBLE OR WE'RE FOR THAT.
UH, ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND, AND THE, UH, ONE THAT'S AN, UH, ADOPTED COMP PLAN IS THAT, UH, HERE WE DO AWAY WITH THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION.
UH, MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2005.
THIS WAS ANOTHER, UH, ITEM THAT WAS, UH, UH, IT WAS AN ISSUE OF GREAT CONCERN TO MANY OF THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE LAND USE FORUMS. UM, AND SO THE COMMITTEE IN THE END RECOMMENDED ELIMINATING THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, NOT ELIMINATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT JUST NOT IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE COUNTY AS BEING, UH,
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SPECIFIC, PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THAT MAKES SENSE.
PART OF THE, PART OF THE CONCERN, UH, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DO AWAY WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MIXED USE, RIGHT? YOU DON'T GO AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY.
BUT PART OF THE CONCERN WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY ARGUE THAT THEY WERE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE MIXED USE OVERLAY WHERE THEY WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THE UNDERLYING, YOU KNOW, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION MAY HAVE BEEN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO ARGUE THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE IN ONE OF THESE AREAS WITH A USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, ESSENTIALLY ADDING RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
IT'S IN PLACE LIKE, UH, MARQUE SOUTH POD, WHICH IS AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
BUT THEIR ARGUMENT WAS THAT SINCE THERE'S A USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION AROUND THAT WHOLE WHOLE AREA, THEY'RE JUST ADDING THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS REALLY NOT WHAT THE USE OVERLAY WAS EVER INTENDED FOR.
NO, IT WAS FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE MIX OF U MIX OF USES, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PROJECT.
UH, WHITAKER'S MILL, UH, IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION WAS USED.
SO AFTER A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION, THE COMMITTEE, UH, RECOMMENDED DOING AWAY WITH THE OVERLAY DESIGNATION ALTOGETHER, ALTHOUGH THEY DID WANT TO HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY NOTES THAT THE MARQUEE MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA, UH, IN ORDER TO GET SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THERE, SOME ROOFTOPS TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS AND MAYBE KEEP THAT PROJECT AFLOAT.
UM, BUT, UH, THERE'S NO ACTUAL DESIGNATION THERE.
I I, I JUST WANNA BRIEFLY, UH, COVER THE, THE AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND WHAT THE CHANGES ARE IN THE LAND USE, UH, MAP.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, LIGHTS FOOT AREA.
THE ONLY CHANGES HERE, UH, WILLIAMSBURG WATERWORKS HAS ACQUIRED A LOT OF LAND, UH, INCLUDING THE JACKSON DARST FARM, WHICH IS LIKE 150 ACRES.
UH, AND SO REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE THERE OTHER THAN, UH, WELL, I'LL JUST SHOW YOU SO YOU SEE A LOT MORE GREEN.
THAT'S, UH, AREA WILLIAMSBURG, UH, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG HAS ACQUIRED AS PART OF THEIR WATERSHED.
AND WE'VE, UH, HAD PROJECTS APPROVED SINCE 2013, KELTON STATION, ARBORDALE, UM, UH, THE ARBOR'S AT TOWN PARK.
AND SO, UH, THE, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS, IS, IS, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE REVISED TO REFLECT THOSE CHANGES, UH, MAGENTA OR WHATEVER THAT COLOR IS.
UH, SO NOW WE'RE DOWN THE AREA WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS THE CURRENT 2035 FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UH, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE, UH, AGRI TRACK, ALSO KNOWN AS JAMES KUTAS FARM, WHICH, UH, WAS ACQUIRED BY THE AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST, ALONG WITH, EXCUSE ME, TWO ADJACENT PARCELS.
UH, AND THEN IN THE NEW FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU SEE AGAIN, UH, MORE GREEN, UH, THE GRO TRACK.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE HAD THESE DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THEN.
TRANQUILITY, MARKY HILLS AND WHITAKER'S MILL.
ALRIGHT, MOVING FURTHER SOUTH.
UH, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE HERE.
BATTLEFIELD TRUST ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY OFF CRAWFORD ROAD.
UH, AND REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE, UH, THERE, THE, UH, ROSE HILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, JUST BRINGING THE LAND USE MAP ACTUALLY INTO THE CONFORMANCE WITH THE EXISTING ZONING AND WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED OUT THERE ALREADY, UH, DOWN IN THE GRAFTON AREA.
UM, NOT MUCH CHANGE AT ALL, EXCEPT WITH THE ELIMINATION THAT MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION.
AND THEN WE NOTICED THAT, UH, DALE MOORE'S, UH, MINI STORAGE FACILITY WAS STILL DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE
UH, ONE THING WE NOTICED WAS THAT THIS, UH, YORK MANOR, UH MM-HMM
AND THERE'S ZONED R 13 FOR SOME REASON WE HAD IT IN THE COMP PLAN.
THERE'S MEDIUM DENSITY, SHOULD BE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO EFFECT ON THE BUILD OUT ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALL DEVELOPED.
AND WE ALSO, THE HARPER STATION PROJECT, WHICH WAS MENTIONED, UH, WE CHANGED, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO GENERAL BUSINESS.
AND, AND THEN OF COURSE, REMOVING THE MIXED USE OVERLAY DESIGNATION, UH, OVER COMMONWEALTH GREEN.
UM, OH, THE LAST MAP, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE
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IS VACANT LAND IN THE COUNTY LAND THAT IS DEVELOPED OR IT'S SET ASIDE AS CONSERVATION OR MILITARY.UH, AND HOW IT IS, WHAT LAND USE IT IS DESIGNATED FOR IN THIS PLAN.
AND, EXCUSE ME, WE GOTTA MAKE IT, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A LOT OF EO, A LOT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, UH, THERE AT LIGHTFOOT.
UH, THE CAMPIER INTERCHANGE, THE PROPERTY OWNED BY COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG, UH, OVER HERE, THE, UH, EB RFA PROPERTY, A FORMER STATE FUEL FUEL FARM.
UH, YOU SEE AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL, YOU DON'T SEE MUCH OTHER THAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, UP IN VARIOUS POCKETS OF THE COUNTY.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S, UH, ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, UH, MOST OF THOSE AREAS ARE ALREADY SLATED FOR, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY? AND A LOT OF WHAT IS LEFT OVER, UH, IS CONSTRAINED BY ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.
UH, TALKING ABOUT, UH, I SEE ALL THIS GREEN OUT HERE, UH, YORK POINT, BAYE BEACH AREA, ALMOST ALL OF IT IS UNDER FOUR FOOT OF ELEVATION, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T SUBDIVIDE IT.
UM, YOU'VE GOT CHESAPEAKE BAY R P A THERE EXTENDING INTO EASTERN, UH, SEAFORD.
UH, YOU'VE GOT WETLANDS, UH, DOWN HERE OFF OF, UH, UH, TEQUESTA VILLAGE, UH, IN THE RUNNING MAN AREA.
UH, THE MCDONALD PROPERTY, UH, OFF OF, UH, LAKESIDE DRIVE IS, UH, IS ALSO HAS, UH, WETLANDS.
SO AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT WE CALCULATED, AND WE MIGHT'VE BEEN GENEROUS, UH, HERE MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, EIGHT, ROUGHLY 1800 UNITS AFTER THE PIPELINE HAS BEEN CLEARED.
MR. SHEPHERD, YOU WERE SPOT ON.
IT, IT TRANSLATES INTO 10,000, UH, RESIDENTS WHEN YOU FACTOR IN, YOU KNOW, PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ABOUT 72.
SO IF THESE NUMBERS ARE CLOSE TO CORRECT, THEN UH, THAT WOULD MEAN 82,000, UH, POPULATION AT FULL BUILD OUT.
AND YOU MAY BE RIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE TO TO TO GET TO IT.
UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF LAND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT'S THAT, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED, UM, THAT, THAT 4,300 FIGURE MIGHT BE HIGH.
ALL RIGHT? SO I SAID THAT WAS MY LAST SLIDE AND I MEANT IT.
SO, UH, IS THAT SLIDE IN, IN THE, I DON'T, I DIDN'T SEE THE SLIDE IN THE, IN THE BOOK.
DID I? SLIDE IS NOT, NOT IN THE BOOK AT ALL.
SO, UM, WHERE IS, SO, SO FOR THIS MEETING, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION AT THE END, OKAY? MM-HMM.
UM, SHEILA'S, WHATEVER SHE IS, UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
OKAY? RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
WE'RE BACK IN, UH, AFTER A RECESS.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU CROSS MY TERRITORY.
THAT'S A GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE.
UH, SO WE'VE HEARD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DETAIL.
TIM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
IT WAS, I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET THROUGH FOUR YEARS IN, IN A, IN A COUPLE HOURS, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, AND THEN NEIL, THANK YOU.
YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD? NEIL, AT THIS POINT? UH, NO.
I MEAN, THIS IS YOUR WORK SESSION TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY OBSERVATIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE TOPIC.
FOR THE BOARD, I'M GONNA GO AROUND AND ASK THE BOARD FOR ANY THOUGHTS OR INPUTS.
BUT HERE'S THE ONE THING THAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO, UM, IS THAT WE, WE NEED TO, SOMEWHERE IN HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING OKAY.
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IN OUR READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST, IF YOU'RE GONNA STUDY IT LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, IT COULD TAKE MONTHS TO ACTUALLY STUDY THIS THING PROPERLY, ALRIGHT? TO GET THROUGH AND, AND ALL THAT.AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M EXPECTING.
UM, I WOULDN'T THINK ANY OF US EXPECT THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE GOTTA KEEP IN MIND, IT, THIS IS THE LONGEST I CAN RECALL EVER TAKING THIS LONG TO GET THROUGH A REVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A WHOLE TON OF PEOPLE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT.
UM, AND, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THE CITIZENS DID AND THE ANALYSIS AND THE AND AND WHATEVER.
BUT IT'S NEVER GONNA BE PERFECT.
UM, AND SO IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SIT HERE AND TRY TO MAKE THIS THING PERFECT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND IT'S NEVER GONNA GET THERE.
AND GUESS WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNDER THE CODE OF VIRGINIA IS THAT WE JUST SIMPLY REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA KEEP EXACTLY WHAT YOU GOT.
SO IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU GOT, THEN WE'LL KEEP IT.
IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS UPDATE VERSION, WHICH I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE UPDATE, THEN WE CAN MAKE, WE MAKE INCRE INCREMENTAL CHANGES AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH.
SO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA FINE TUNE THIS DOWN, DOWN TO ALL THE WORK THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR FOUR YEARS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALL THAT, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA, IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN TRY, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU'LL BE UP IN, UP IN RICHMOND SOMEWHERE AND, AND THEN WELL, THE, THE FOLLOW ONE, DOUG WILL BE DOWN HERE.
GUESS WHAT? IT AIN'T GONNA CHANGE.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
SO WE, UH, YOU GOT QUESTIONS OF TIM OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THIS IS THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
IF WE WANNA GET THIS, I WOULD, I, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET IT APPROVED THROUGH AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING GET INPUTS.
UNLESS THERE'S SOME REALLY TREMENDOUS CHANGE THAT'S BEING OFFERED, THEN WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT.
GUESS WHAT? THEN THE NEXT BOARD, WHEN THEY COME THROUGH, THEY CAN START REVIEWING IT AGAIN AND WE MAKE CHANGES THAT WAY.
SO I'M GONNA START WITH STEVEN, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? SO YOU, WELL, YOU ANSWERED ONE QUESTION.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE, THE AGENDA WAS GONNA BE IN THE NEXT COMING MEETING.
SO PROBABLY NEXT MEETING WOULD BE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION ON, ON THE SAME NIGHT.
'CAUSE WE, NO, THAT WOULD BE FAIR, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE, I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO COME, WE WANNA GET THE INPUTS AND THEN, THEN FROM THAT GROUP, IF WE GET SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, THEN WE CAN MAKE, SOMEHOW MAKE IT INCORPORATED, RIGHT? BUT FOR US AT THIS LEVEL, THIS THING IS LIKE, I ALWAYS THINK OF LIKE WATER GOING THROUGH CHARCOAL, YOU KNOW, OR YOU GO THROUGH SAND, YOU GO THROUGH CHARCOAL AND TIME YOU GET DOWN THERE.
IT, IT'S DRINKABLE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS IT A HUNDRED PERCENT PURE? MAYBE NOT, BUT WE'LL GET CLOSE.
WE CAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S TOO LATE TO ADVERTISE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RIGHT, FOR THE WELL, OKAY.
BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'M GONNA GET DONE.
WE'RE LOOKING, I, YOU, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH THE SAME NIGHT, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE SAME REASON THAT, THAT YOU SAID, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS RE WAS, UH, REALISTIC TO TRY TO DO BOTH.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE SO MUCH QUESTIONS.
I'M, I'M PROBABLY GETTING MORE AS I GET INTO IT, BUT JUST WANNA GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, MY FOCUS ON THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT OUR PLAN GOING FORTH IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE GET INTO, INTO THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO ADDRESS.
YOU KNOW, I, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST SIX, SIX MONTHS.
AND THE UNDERLYING THEME THAT I'M HEARING FROM FOLKS IS WE'D LIKE YORK COUNTY, LIKE IT IS, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
OVERDEVELOP THAT DOVETAILS NICELY TO MY VISION AS WELL.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN WHAT OVERDEVELOPMENT HAPPENS.
YOU MENTIONED NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
I ALMOST SAW THAT HAPPEN IN, IN REAL TIME.
SO, UM, TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A, AND A AND, AND A COUNTYWIDE ZONING ORDINANCES TO ADDRESS THAT, TO DRIVE US TO NO MORE THAN 80,000 ISH GOOD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ADDRESS THAT SO THAT WE, IN 5, 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHETHER WE'RE STILL LIVING HERE OR NOT, WE'RE LEAVING A COUNTY BEHIND THAT.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE, HAVE THIS, THE SAME VISION THAT WE ALL HAVE, I THINK, FOR IT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE MY FOCUS GOING FORWARD.
AGAIN, NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT JUST KIND OF, THIS IS WHERE I'M AT.
YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S MASSAGED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
MR. MR. SHEPHERD, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO A PERFECT PLAN,
UH, I WANT, I WANT EVERYBODY TO TAKE A, A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH IT.
MR. ROH, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE LAND USE TABLE WAS.
UH, SO PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND, AND MR. SHEPHERD, AS YOU ALWAYS DO, YOU ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC INPUT IS KEY.
AND, UH, WE'LL POUR SOME, UH, WATER THROUGH THE CHARCOAL FILTER, SO TO SPEAK,
BUT THIS IS A PRETTY CLOSE TO PERFECT
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DOCUMENT.I'M A SHORT TIMER AS YOU ALL KNOW.
OKAY? UH, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN CENSORED UP TO THIS POINT AND I'LL SPEAK MY, MY, MY MIND ON YOU ALWAYS DO.
HAVE YOU EVER, ANY TIME WHY THE PREAMBLE? YOU ALWAYS DO.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT.
MY, MY THOUGHTS THOUGH PARALLEL STEVE'S IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
NOW HE EMPHASIZED PEOPLE, 80,000 PEOPLE.
OKAY? I WANNA JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE NOT PEOPLE, BUT THEY TAKE UP TONS AND TONS OF OUR SPACE WHEN MORE TIME WITH RESPECT TO THE BRIEFING, NEVER RECEIVED TEMPERATURE AT THE ATTORNEY FOR COMPLIMENT KNOWS.
OKAY? THERE'S AN INITIATIVE I, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, OKAY? THAT WOULD TAKE THE 600 ACRES UP THERE IN THE POTTERY, UH, AREA AND BUILD MEGA WAREHOUSES.
OKAY? NOW, MY SUCCESSOR AND I HAVE LOOKED AT SOME NUMBERS THAT THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY OPPOSED TO THE COUNTY.
WE FOUND SOME ARITHMETIC MISTAKES FAVORING THE DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY? SO MOSTLY HIM, OKAY, MR. IDE, UH, PUT TOGETHER A MATRIX THAT I'M GONNA SEND OUT TOMORROW TO YOU, OKAY? THAT WILL BE THE BASIS FOR A WORKSHOP THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN PLAN BEFORE TOO LONG, ALRIGHT? TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE REAL NUMBERS ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE REFLECTED.
I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE DRIVEN ON CEBO OR LIGHTFOOT ROAD, OKAY? IT'S A, IT'S FAIRLY WELL MAINTAINED IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THERE, BUT IT IS ONE WAY NORTH.
ONE WAY SOUTH, OKAY? AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, WITH THE ROWING NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COUNTY, AND I KNOW STAFF IS EVALUATING THOSE NUMBERS.
YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY SAFE HIGHWAY, OKAY? BUT WHEN YOU THROW IN THE NUMBERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR THE ANALYSIS, YOU HAVE CLOSE TO 8,000 INSTEAD OF 3000 CARS A DAY TRAVERSING THOSE, THOSE ROADS YOU HAVE CLOSE TO, IF NOT LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 8,000 VEHICLES TRAVERSING THOSE ROADS.
AND YOU'VE GOT THIS BIG 18 WHEELER MEGA WAREHOUSE UP THERE.
UH, WE'VE GOTTA TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE'VE GOTTA TAKE A LOOK AT, SQUEEZE IT OUT.
USE YOUR ANALYSIS CAPABILITY, UH, AND ANY OTHERS AROUND THE TABLE THAT HAVE A CAPABILITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS OBJECTIVELY.
THERE'S NO FAVORITISM OR I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY FAVORITISM AROUND THIS, THIS TABLE, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THIS, WELL, NONE OF US WILL BE ON BOARD THAT TIME, BUT BY THE TIME THAT FIVE MEGA, UH, UH, WAREHOUSES ARE BUILT, AND WHEN ACCIDENTS START TO HAPPEN ON CHENBO OR, OR, UH, LIGHTFOOT ROAD, WE PROBABLY WON'T BE AROUND, OKAY? BUT THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY WILL BE AROUND AND THEY'LL BE THE ONES WHO SUFFER FROM ONE END, UH, TO THE OTHER.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT I, I WILL BE WITH SHORT TIMER OVER HERE WITH, WITH THE WHITE SHIRT ON NO TIE.
UH, AND WE'LL SET UP HOPEFULLY A DATE.
I GUESS THAT MEANS NOT YOU TO ACCOMMODATE YOU, THE REST OF THE BOARD GET AT THIS THING IN THE WORK SESSION.
THINK, HEY WAL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS THING? I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING NO, YOU'RE BRINGING UP WELL, WELL YOU'RE BRINGING UP A SPECIFIC, UH, A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY ISSUE.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING NOW? NO, I THOUGHT WE WERE NO, EXCEPT MY ABOUT, OKAY.
THE POINT IS, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING AROUND THE TABLE WITH COMMENTS.
OH, WE STILL HAVE LATER TO GO.
YEAH, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO.
SO THE MPROMISE COMPREHENSIVE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU GOT MY COAT ON.
I, I WANNA SAY THAT I THINK YOU, THAT THE STAFF AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID A YEOMAN'S JOB FOR THE COUNTY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT ON, ON IT.
AND IT IS A PLANNING DOCUMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DO IT EVERY, HOPEFULLY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY FIVE YEARS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED.
THIS TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN IT NORMALLY DOES, BUT I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT PIECE OF WORK AND I HAVE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO WORKED ON IT.
I HAVE NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE IT IS JUST A PLANNING DOCUMENT.
RIGHT? AND, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION FOR CITIZENS IF TO, UH, ANYBODY EVER WANTS TO RUN FOR OFFICE ABOUT IN YOUR COUNTY, THIS IS A DOCUMENT YOU OUGHT TO GO PICK UP AND READ.
I MEAN, I, WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE 20 YEARS, 22 YEARS AGO, I, I, I WENT, FIRST THING I KNOW MORE ABOUT MY COUNTY, I WENT AND GOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STUDIED IN DETAIL.
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WOW.AND THEN, THEN I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF, AND IT JUST, I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT IT.
AND THIS, IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT FOR LEARNING ABOUT THE HISTORY, WHERE WE'RE GONNA, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE NOW, AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT AND THE FOLKS DID A GREAT JOB ON, ON PUTTING IT TOGETHER, TIM AND THE STAFF.
IT ALL, I MEAN, THIS, IT, THIS TOOK A LOT, A LOT OF WORK AS IT, IT SUCKED UP SO MUCH TIME OF OUR STAFF THAT IT MADE IT HARD FOR OTHER THINGS TO OCCUR.
SO IT WAS, IT'S A TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
SO FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TIM CROSS OBVIOUSLY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, CAN, UH, GIVE US SOME INPUT, DON'T COME INTO THE BOARD MEETING AND, AND, AND THEN DUMP IT ON US, YOU KNOW, TALK, YOU CAN TALK TO INDIVIDUAL SUPERVISORS, TALKS TO THE STAFF.
WE CAN HELP PUT LITTLE PIECES AND BITS TOGETHER AND, AND GET, EDUCATE EVERYBODY SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS THING.
AND AGAIN, SOMETIME IN, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR, WE'LL BE ABLE, I'M, I'M HOPING WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVE IT AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
FOLKS, IF YOU TRY TO COME IN HERE AND, AND READ THIS TO US IN THREE MINUTES, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TRY TO DO THAT BEFORE.
SO FIND YOUR FAVORITE PET ROCK IN HERE IF YOU, AND THEN TALK TO THAT.
THAT'S THE BEST, BEST INFLUENCE YOU CAN HAVE ON THE BOARD.
I, I HAVE FAITH THAT MR. KENNEDY CAN DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF, UH, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, THAT'S IT.
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ALRIGHT.UH, AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA DO THE CON UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR AUGUST 15TH, SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH.
WE HAD ITEMS NUMBER FOUR IN KINGSVILLE SEWER, UH, RELINING, UH, PHASE FOUR.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE RATIFICATION OF THE DECLARATION OF A LOCAL EMERGENCY, WHICH WE HAD, UH, RECENTLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE STORM, UH, E BOARD MEMBERS, WHICH DISCUSS ANY OF THESE.
SEEING NONE, THEN A DISCUSSION IF NONE ARE BEING PULLED, UH, MAKE I A MOTION, I'LL, I'LL MOVE IF MOTION BEEN MADE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? SEEING NONE, UH, ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
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IT UP NOW FOR, UH, DISCUSSION.SO ROB, I'D WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU AND YOUR TEAM.
I BROUGHT A LOT OF STUFF IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS OF ACTION ITEMS THAT THERE, UH, VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS TOO.
WE'VE HAD SOME DITCH ISSUES, WE'VE HAD SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.
WE'VE HAD SOME SHRUBBERY ISSUES, CLEARANCE, SO FORTH.
AND YOUR TEAM HAS JUMPED ON THAT AND TAKING CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND I, I GOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME TO ME SAID, HEY, SOME HELP.
YOUR TEAM HELPED OUT AND, AND THEY APPRECIATE IT TOO.
SO I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR THAT.
AND I'M SURE I'LL BE BRINGING YOU MORE, BUT THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP SO FAR.
I'LL, I'LL PASS THE WORDS ALONG.
UH, LET'S SEE, SHEILA, UM, YES, THIS MONTH IS OCTOBER.
AND OCTOBER IS CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
AND AS A SURVIVOR, I AM TRYING TO GET THE WORD OUT TO EVERYBODY, ALL THE WOMEN AND THE MEN INCLUDED TO HAVE MAMMOGRAMS IF NECESSARY.
AT LEAST BE CHECKED BY YOUR DOCTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T NEED ONE.
BUT SOMETIMES YOUR, YOUR LIVES ARE BUSY AND YOU SAY, I'LL DO IT TOMORROW.
YOU REALLY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT.
AND I GUESS I'M SAYING THIS BECAUSE I JUST GOT A CALL FROM MY SON ABOUT MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAW.
SO REALLY SHE'S BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER.
UH, CHAD, UH, THIS BEING OCTOBER, WE HAVE YORKTOWN DAY COMING UP OCTOBER 19TH.
ENCOURAGE ALL THE CITIZENS TO COME ON OUT TO YORKTOWN AND CELEBRATE, UM, THE VICTORY AT YORKTOWN.
WELL, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER YOUR PROJECT AGAIN? JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
AND THAT IS, UH, WE'VE HEARD TIM, MR. CROSS GIVE US A, A GREAT, UH, BRIEFING WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED CROP PLAN.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT THAT IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE COUNTY.
WHAT I MENTIONED WITH RESPECT TO THE 600 ACRES UP, WHAT IS NOW THE POTTERY LAND IS ONE OF THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT IS ON OUR PLATE, OR WILL BE ON OUR PLATE TO PRESERVE OR DO WHATEVER.
AND, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY STAFF HAS TO GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS WHEN THINGS, WHERE THINGS ARE WERE HAPPENING, WHETHER THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLANT OR NOT.
AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CURRENTLY IS THE POWDER, THESE 600 ACRES UP THERE, UH, WE, IF YOU WERE NOT SLEEPING OR IF YOU'RE SOMEWHAT AWAKE OR WE'RE HERE, TIM CROW GAVE US A PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO EMPHASIZING ALL THE POSITIVE POINTS OF, OF WHAT COMPANY
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GOALS ARE GETTING PAID FOR TO DO.TRENT, TIM TRENT, YOU SAID TIM CROSS.
UM, ONE'S KIND OF INTERESTING IN THAT IT'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IN 2013, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED A BILL THAT ALLOWED THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO GET TOGETHER HERE.
AND THE TRANSPORTATION BILL THAT RESULTED IN ALL THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING.
NOW, THESE, UM, HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED, UM, AS THE LARGEST TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS ON THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.
UH, THE LARGEST IN THE HISTORY OF, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, LARGEST IN THE HISTORY OF VIRGINIA, AND THEY'RE INTO BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THAT, BUT 90 PER 96% OF ALL THE REVENUE TO BUILD THESE PROJECTS ARE COMING FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES OF HAMPTON ROADS.
UM, VARIES NUMBER FROM 14 TO 17, THEY GET DEALING WITH AN ORGANIZATION YOU'RE DEALING WITH, BUT WE PAY FOR IT THROUGH SALES TAX AND WE PAY FOR IT THROUGH, UH, THE, THERE'S PART OF THAT SALES TAX AND GAS TAX.
UH, AND IT'S, AND IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING.
THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER BEEN WHERE I SAW DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS ON ROAD PROJECTS WAS ACTUALLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
UH, I'D SEEN, I'VE SEEN 'EM, YOU UP IN DC YOU KNOW, THE BIG SPAGHETTI BOWL THING YOU GOT GOING ON UP THERE.
BUT MAN, THE, THE HUGE PROJECT SEES IT'S THIS TUNNEL NEW TECHNOLOGY.
WE BOUGHT A $70 MILLION BORING MACHINE.
UH, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE BUILT UP HIGH-RISE BRIDGE AND THERE'S STILL MORE OF IT TO COME.
AND ALL THIS THOUGH, THE CITIZENS OF THE ONES THAT STEPPED UP AND SAID, OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE IT DONE, AND MAN, DID IT TAKE, IT WAS AN EFFORT.
IT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE EFFORT.
AND IT COST SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEIR, THEIR, UH, POSITIONS.
AND, UH, I ALWAYS THINK OF MIKE WATSON, HE STOOD UP FOR IT MM-HMM.
BUT THEN UNFORTUNATELY, UH, HE WAS, UH, HE, HE LOST THE NEXT ELECTION.
AND THAT'S, WE'VE HAD SUBSEQUENT, UM, UH, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT POSITION, WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT.
HOW DO WE WANT TO CON DO, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS STUFF? AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME IN HERE GO, WOW, OKAY, THIS IS NOT SO BAD.
WE'RE BUILDING SOME CONSTRUCTION.
BUT FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE LIVED HERE WHEN YOU COULDN'T EVEN TURN UP 17 BECAUSE YOU DON'T, ONE CAME UP 17 BECAUSE HARWOOD MILL, I MEAN, IT WAS A, IT WAS JAMMED UP.
OKAY? AND THAT'S A $60 MILLION PROJECT TO GET THAT ROAD DEVELOPED.
ALRIGHT? UH, THAT, THAT CAME FROM STATE MONEY.
AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, I REMEMBER THE FIRST PROJECT, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I 64 WE'RE GONNA JUST WIDEN A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
AND, UH, THEN HE WAS THE MAYOR OF HAMPTON WALLACE.
AND HE'S NOT THERE NOW, BUT, BUT HE, HE SAID, WE NEED TO THROW 10 MORE MILLION DOLLARS IN THERE, AND THEN WE COULD JUST ADD AN EXTRA LANE AND WE'D BE GET, WE GET THE PROJECT GOING EVERY, ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES REPRESENTED.
AND NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THE STATE HAS STEPPED UP AND PROVIDED FUNDING TO CLOSE THE GAP FROM HERE ALL THE WAY UP TO RICHMOND.
AND THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
NOW I'M SAYING I'M GIVEN THIS PREAMBLE ALL THIS BECAUSE THEY COME UP WITH A, THEY BEING THE, THE ENGINEERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WORK IN THE HR T, WHICH IS THE HAMPTON ROAD TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNTABILITY COMMISSIONS THAT FUND.
THESE THINGS HAVE COME UP WITH AN IDEA, OKAY? AND THAT FOR THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT, OKAY? ON THE GAS TAX, I THINK IT'S THE SALES TAX OR GAS TAX'S, ONE OF THE, I THINK IT'S THE SAME.
THREE TENTHS OF 1% ADDED TO THE GAS TAX WOULD GENERATE 84 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
OKAY? THAT MONEY COULD BE DESIGNATED SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS ALL FEEDER ROUTES INTO 64 THROUGHOUT ALL OF HAMPTON ROADS.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WALT.
WE NEED A, WE NEED A DIRECT LINE, RIGHT? FROM, FROM WHATEVER THAT BIG FACTORY OR WHATEVER IT IS, A STORAGE FILL RIGHT INTO 64 VICTORY BOULEVARD.
ANY ROAD, EVEN THE ANCILLARY ROAD THAT FEED INTO IT COULD BE FUNDED.
AND HOW WOULD, HOW IS YOU GO, WELL, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
WELL, THE THING IS 84 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TODAY OKAY? COULD BE USED IN BONDING, WHICH WE DO.
AND ONCE YOU'VE GOT THAT, THAT SOURCE IDENTIFIED, IT THEN GENERATES FROM HERE, FROM ALL FROM JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG, KOSIN, YORK COUNTY, HAMPTON, NEWPORT NEWS, NORFOLK, CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA BEACH, SOUTH HAMPTON COUNTY, YOU NAME IT, ALL OF THEM, OKAY? ALL THOSE ROADS FEEDING IN TO THOSE, THOSE, UH, INTO THE 64 AND 6 64
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WOULD BE BUILT.OKAY? NOW YOU GO, GOD, IT TAKES FOREVER.
WE'RE SITTING HERE SCRAMBLING, FIGHTING OVER EVERY LITTLE SCRAP OF DOLLAR WE CAN GET FROM VDOT TO HELP PAY FOR ROADS THAT WE DON'T EVEN OWN IN THIS COUNTY.
AND YET, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, OKAY? NOW I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I HAD, OBVIOUSLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, OKAY? BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT CAN YOU GET TO THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT, AND YOU GOTTA GET IT FROM RICHMOND, NOT FROM RICHMOND.
YOU GOTTA GET THE AUTHORITY FROM RICHMOND TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO RICHMOND, BUBBA.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK IS PRETTY EXCITING BECAUSE WE BUILD THE TUNNELS, 64 WIDENING FOR, FOR OVER 200 MILES, ROAD MILES OVER 200 ROAD MILES.
AND WE'VE DONE IT OURSELVES HERE.
WHAT, HOW NICE WOULD IT BE FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO DRIVE ON ALL THESE ROUTES AROUND HERE, UH, OVER IN VIRGINIA BEACH? THEY GOT A MESS.
UH, YOU GO TO HAMPTON AND THEY GOT A MESS.
WE GOT A MESS IN, IN, IN, UH, HAMPTON RIGHT HERE, UH, TRYING TO GET UP ON, UH, 6 64 AND WE GOT OUR PROBLEMS. HOW NICE WOULD IT BE IF WE COULD JUST SOLVE THAT FOR THREE TENTHS OF A PERCENT ON THE TAX RATE? NOW THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME, THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME, SOME, IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME DOING BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IS IT THE TAX RATE OR IS IT ON THE GAS ON THE, IT'S GONNA BE ON, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE, IT'S THE TAX RATE, ON THE GAS SALES TAX.
RIGHT NOW WE PAY, WE PAY 0.7% ON THE SALES TAX.
AND THAT'S WHAT FUNDS ALL THESE PROJECTS TODAY.
BY ADDING THAT THREE-TENTHS, WE GET ALL THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO I'M LAYING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I GOTTA TALK TO A FEW OTHER FOLKS AND, UH, WE SEE WHAT WE CAN GET DONE.
1, 1, 1 BIG TAKEAWAY FROM WHAT YOU SHARED ABOUT THE PROJECTS BUILT OUT SO FAR THAT WAS FUNDED 96% FOR THE MUNICIPALITY, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.
IT SHOWS AN ABILITY FOR US TO BE FISCALLY SELF-SUFFICIENT WITHOUT HAVING TO BE 10 DEPENDENT UPON, UH, FINANCES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ANY STRINGS THAT COME ATTACHED TO THAT AS WELL.
WE CAN TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES IF WE HAVE THE WILL TO NEED TO DO SO.
SO IT, IT'S ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ROLL OUR OWN AND NOT BE DEPENDENT UPON OTHER SOURCES.
SO, AND TO UNDERSCORE YOUR POINT IS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THESE ROADS, EVERYBODY THINKS IS THE, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM, RIGHT? THEY WERE CREATED UNDER THE, UNDER THE EISENHOWER, UM, BILL AND ALL THAT MM-HMM.
I MEAN, ANY MONEY WE GET IT FROM THE STATE OR WE GET IT FROM OURSELVES, OKAY? BUT VERY LITTLE, IF ANY.
I MEAN, IT'D BE, IT'D BE UNDER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PROJECTS.
THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO TALK TO, UH, LET YOU GUYS HEAR THIS, UH, NEIL, YOU PA YEAR, UH, NOT A YEAR AGO, I MEAN SEPTEMBER THE 15TH, HE PASSED THAT, THIS THING THAT'S ABOUT THE, THE, WHAT IS THIS QUEENS LAKE PROJECT.
OKAY? NOW, ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND, AND ONE OF OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS SUPERVISORS, NOT ONLY TO REPRESENT OUR DISTRICT, BUT REPRESENT A WHOLE COUNTY, IS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS QUEENS LAKE PROJECT, IT, I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE ON HERE OR PROPOSING TO TAKE ON.
YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE THE, WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT, OKAY? THEY GOT A LAKE UP THERE, THEY GOT A DAM, THEY GOT A SPILLWAY, THEY GOT A STATE ROAD ACROSS THE, OF COURSE THE STATE ROAD'S, NOT OURS.
OKAY, THAT'S GONNA BE THE STATE PROBLEM.
BUT YEARS AGO WE GOT INTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT TAKING OVER RESPONSIBILITY FOR BMPS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
NOW I LOOK AT THIS, I, I STEP BACK AND I LOOK AT IT, AND WE GOTTA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND HOW THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE COUNTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, US GOING, WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND BUY A, WE'RE GONNA OWN A DAM, WE'RE GONNA OWN A SPILLWAY.
AND THEN, THEN, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER BMPS THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY, I GOT NEIGHBORHOODS DOWN HERE AND WE DID A ONE STUDY YEARS AGO, A STUDY THAT SAID, OKAY, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST THIS COUNTY TO TAKE OVER ALL THE BMPS? MM-HMM.
AND IT WAS AT THAT POINT, THAT'S GOTTA BE OVER 10 YEARS AGO.
IT WAS GONNA BE $4 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 4 CENTS ON THE TAX RATE.
SO I GOT, I GOTTA UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WHY WOULD I WANT TO BE DOWN HERE BUILDING UPON THAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AND NOT SUPPORTING THE REST OF THE BMPS AND THE PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
CAN YOU TELL US, GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT HERE.
SO YOU, SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO A MEMO AND A DRAFT AGREEMENT I SENT OUT, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
THIS IS FOLLOW ON TO A, AN EARLIER VERSION OF AN AGREEMENT WE HAD.
IT WAS CALLED AN M O U MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AT THAT POINT.
SO, UH, THE SITUATION IS, UH, I BELIEVE, BELIEVE QUEENS LAKE IS SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE.
UH, OF COURSE THE LAKE WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT LONG BEFORE ANYBODY HAD EVER HEARD THE WORD, YOU KNOW, B M P, ALTHOUGH IT EFFECTIVELY FUNCTIONS AS A STORMWATER POND FOR
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NOT ONLY QUEENS LAKE, BUT PARTS OF SEVERAL OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.UM, THE LAKE BOTTOM AND THE DAM ARE OWNED BY, UH, THE QUEENS LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
INITIALLY, UH, THEY ENDEAVORED TO, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT REPAIRS TO THE DAM, UH, THAT WERE TRIGGERED BY A CHANGE IN THE DAM STATUS BY THE STATE.
AND, UM, THAT PROVED REALLY FINANCIALLY BEYOND WHAT THEY COULD DO.
UM, OUR FIRST APPROACH WAS TO KIND OF THROUGH SOME TORTURED LOGIC SEPARATE, UH, THE SPILLWAY AND THE, UH, THE SORT OF THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL TO, UH, FROM THE DAM AND SAY, YOU KNOW, COUNTY STORMWATER WILL, WILL WORK ON THE SPILLWAY AND THE SORT OF THE NATURAL TRIBUTARIES THAT FLOW INTO IT.
AND, AND YOU, QUEENS LAKE ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO FIX THE DAM.
UH, SOME OF Y'ALL KNOW WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH A, A COMMITTEE THERE AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH SOME FOLKS AND BEEN TO SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND, UH, EARLY THIS SUMMER AFTER I FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD ATTEMPTED TO BID THE DAM, THEY NOW THEY HAVE GOTTEN WETLANDS CREDITS.
THEY PAID FOR A DESIGN OF THE DAM, UH, BUT THEY SIMPLY ARE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE REPAIR WORK.
AND, UM, SO FROM A PROJECT ENGINEERING DESIGN AND PHASE CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, IT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE RATIONAL FOR COUNTY ENGINEERS TO OVERSEE THE PROJECT.
UM, SEPARATE FROM WHO CAN AFFORD WHAT THE, THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE PRACTICAL THING TO DO AND THE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
IT IS TRUE THAT THE PEOPLE IN QUEENS LAKE WOULD BENEFIT MORE FROM THE WORK THAN ANYONE ELSE.
HOWEVER, THERE WOULD BE A GENERAL STORMWATER, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT TO SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT FLOW INTO THAT.
IT'S ALSO, I THINK, PRACTICALLY THE WAY TO PROCEED.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN ANYONE'S INTEREST TO ALLOW THAT DAM TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT FAIL AND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUES AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED AS CONCERNS WERE CERTAINLY MY CONCERN AND THE STAFF'S CONCERN, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AGREEMENT, I URGE EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD TO, TO STUDY IT.
UH, THE CONDITION OF THE COUNTY TAKING OVER THE, THE WORK IS A ONE-TIME CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE ASSOCIATION.
AND AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE CONTRIBUTION OF $20,000 A YEAR.
ACTUALLY, WHAT IS PROPOSED IS, UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR US TAKING CHARGE AND TAKING THE LEAD, UM, THEIR ASSOCIATION WOULD GIVE US ALL OF THE EASEMENTS NECESSARY TO BOTH DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DAM AND THE SPILLWAY MAINTAIN THE LAKE.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE THE FEE SIMPLE OWNER.
THERE'S OTHER REASONS FOR THAT, LIKE CONTROLLING WHO GOES ON THE LAKE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, I DO BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED SOME OTHER SITUATIONS IN OTHER PLACES.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE TIME WILL COME IN THIS COMMUNITY WHERE WE WILL BE CONFRONTED WITH OTHER ASSOCIATIONS HAVING CHALLENGES DEALING WITH THEIR STORMWATER COMMITMENTS.
NOT BIG SOPHISTICATED HOAS, BUT THERE'S MANY SMALL ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE FIVE HOUSES, EIGHT HOUSES, 10 HOUSES THAT MAY BE UNDER OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
WE MADE THEM DIG A HOLE IN THE GROUND AND, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THE RESOURCES IN THE FUTURE TO MAINTAIN THAT? SO A SECONDARY IDEA WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE UP TO THIS POINT AND WHAT'S IN THIS AGREEMENT IS IN THE FUTURE, IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT THAT, IF SOME OTHER ASSOCIATION SHOWS UP AND SAYS, WE GOT A PROBLEM, WE NEED SOME HELP.
AND IF IT MEETS CERTAIN TESTS, IT DOES HAVE A PO A PUBLIC, UH, STORMWATER FUNCTION.
UM, THE CONDITION, THE PRECEDENT FOR OUR ASSISTANCE WOULD BE BOTH A CAPITAL AND AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE CONTRIBUTION.
I THINK THAT'S THE FORMULA FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU CAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT THE RIGHT MIX IS.
UM, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES GOING ON THERE THAT ARE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE.
NOW, WE DID GET SOME GOOD NEWS.
UH, WE GOT A, A A MILLION DOLLARS OF DESIGNATED STATE MONEY TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, SLT GRANT PROGRAM.
DO YOU REMEMBER? OH, I FORGOT.
SOME MORE LOCAL ASSISTANCE FUNDS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A POT OF MONEY THAT WOULD SORT OF GO INTO THE
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TILL ALONG WITH COUNTY RESOURCES AND THE ASSOCIATION'S RESOURCES.SO I, I DO THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, I HAD NOT SCHEDULED THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE CHAIRMAN'S CALL.
AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT THEIR OWN GROUP AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ASKING DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, BUT I HAD HOPED TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHILE I WAS STILL HERE.
WELL JUST, JUST PRESENTING TO YOU NOW TO SORT OF CONSIDERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME SCALED DOWN VERSION, IF IT'S A POND AS OPPOSED TO A LAKE MM-HMM.
UH, I KNOW, I KNOW ALL OF THIS WORKS INTO THE T M D L ISSUE AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE BROADER, THE BROADER BENEFIT COMES TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF OUR CREDITS.
WE'VE BEEN AHEAD OF THE, WE'VE BEEN AHEAD OF THIS TOTAL MAXIMUM DAILY LOAD REQUIREMENT FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE WE, WE GET, WE GET TO REALLY THE END GAME AND THAT'S THAT LAST, THE LAST FEW MILES.
THAT'S GONNA BE REAL EXPENSIVE.
AND, UH, I MEAN AT ONE TIME, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THAT TO THE BOARD WHEN WORKING ON THAT, UH, P D C WHERE IT WAS GONNA COST MORE THAN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE T M D L LOAD.
SO, UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S STILL INTERESTED IN SCOPE AND STUFF.
I'M, AND I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A POSITION YET, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE I, IT DOES RAISE SOME CONCERNS.
SO, UH, I, I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE LAKE, THE LAKE LOOKS LIKE.
THE SO-CALLED LAKE, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE LAKE.
HAVE YOU BEEN OKAY? NO, I'VE BEEN ALL AROUND HERE BECAUSE THE $19 MILLION SEWER PROJECT WE PUT UP THERE UP THERE, OKAY, I'LL PICK YOU UP BIGGER UP THERE.
BUT IT'S NOT A REAL BIG LAKE TO BE WITH.
BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LAKE AND LETTING THAT EVOLVE INTO A POND, WHICH WILL FOR SURE EVOLVE INTO A SWAMP.
ALRIGHT? AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WE ARE COUNTY.
WE ARE A COUNTY FROM THERE TO THERE.
ALRIGHT? IT'S ONE OF THE MOST I HEAR YOU BUBBA, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LET ME FINISH.
YOU WANT ME TO SPEND MY MONEY FROM MY DISTRICT? GO UP THERE.
PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND WE ARE A COUNTY.
AND YOU WANNA CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY.
OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU BETTER CONSERVE SOME MONEY TO GO WITH IT.
OKAY? TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE INVOLVED IN IT.
WE'RE GETTING READY TO, UH, GO INTO A CLOSED MEETING,
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BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WHAT I WANT TO DO HERE FOR US IS THAT THERE'S A LIST, THERE'S A SERIES OF, UH, RESOLUTIONS HERE THAT DEAL WITH THE, UM, MARK, UH, BELLAMY'S APPOINTMENT THAT WE'VE MADE.IT'S PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED ALREADY.
SO, UM, THERE'S OUR, THE RESOLUTION IS LIKE FOR THE HAMPTON ROADS PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION RESOLUTION R 30 23 DASH 35, WHICH APPOINTS HIM.
IT, IT GETS OUR, OUR, UH, INTERIM CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER.
OKAY? I DON'T NEED TO TAKE ALL THESE INTO CLOSED MEETINGS.
WHAT I WANNA DO, I WANNA GET 'EM DONE HERE.
THERE'S A VIRGINIA PENINSULA REGIONAL JAIL.
AGAIN, MARK, UH, WILL, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
AND THEN I THINK ONE OF, NO, THAT'S NOT LARGEST STAFF, BRIAN WOULD BE AN ALTER.
EASTERN VIRGINIA REGIONAL INDUSTRIAL FACILITY AUTHORITY AS RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 37, AGAIN WITH MARK.
AND THERE'S THE WAYNESBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AND THAT INCLUDES BRIAN FULLER AND THAT ONE.
AND JOHN SEIDER AS AND JOHN SEIDER.
SO WE DIDN'T MARK OFF OF THAT ONE 'CAUSE HE'S GETTING ALL THESE, ALL THESE OTHER, OKAY.
AND THEN THERE IS, THE LAST ONE IS RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 1 39 TO APPOINT MARK BELLAMY AS THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
HEATHER SCOTT IS THE DEPUTY COUNTY CLERK AND DIANE INGRAM AS THE ASSISTANT DEPUTY CLERK.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS I JUST DON'T WANNA TAKE INTO PUBLIC UNTIL A CLOSE MEETING.
NOW, ANY ISSUES? I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, DO I NEED TO MOVE EACH SEPARATELY? NO, EACH ONE SEPARATELY? NO, DO NOT.
SO I THINK A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL FIVE RESOLUTIONS.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. REBA IS TO APPROVE ALL APPOINTMENTS AS SUBMITTED.
AND MR. RONE, YOU TAKING THIS A CLOSED MEETING PLEASE.
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AND A ACCORD TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR CONVENING ENCLO MEETING TO CONSERV, A PERSONAL MATTER INVOLVING THE APPOINTMENT OF INDIVIDUALS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE IN THE CLOSE MEETING.