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AND GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER THE 19TH.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM? OKAY.
FOR THE INVOCATION, TONIGHT WILL BE THOMAS SHRINER FROM YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME TOGETHER TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, TO MAKE THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS THAT WILL ENHANCE THE WELLBEING OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE PROSPERITY OF OUR REGION THROUGH YOU.
WE ASK THAT YOU HELP US APPROACH OUR DELIBERATIONS WITH OPEN HEARTS AND OPEN MINDS READY TO LISTEN TO DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES AND ENGAGE IN CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE.
HELP US REMEMBER THAT IS OUR DUTY TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF ALL OUR RESIDENTS, ENSURING FAIRNESS AND EQUITY IN OUR ACTIONS.
AS WE EMBARK ON THIS MEETING, HELP US SEEK CLARITY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, COURAGE IN OUR DECISION MAKING, AND UNITY IN OUR PURPOSE.
MAY OUR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS BE GUIDED BY THE PRINCIPLES OF TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
MAY WE HONOR YOU AND FIND COMMON GROUND AND WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR ALL.
IF POSSIBLE, YOU CAN PLEASE RISE AND, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, THE SEE THE, UH, TONIGHT
[1* Introduction of the York County Youth Commission for 2023-2024.]
WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN, UM, AN INTRODUCTION OF OUR NEW YOUTH COMMISSION AND INVITE, UH, SCOTT HENDRICKS, COME FORWARD.GOOD EVENING, YOUR COUNTY CITIZENS, AND THANK YOU TO THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS SCOTT HENDRICKS, AND I WORK IN THE YORK COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION DIVISION.
I AM ALSO THE COUNTY APPOINTED STAFF LIAISON FOR THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION.
THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION, OR THE Y C Y C IS A GROUP OF 15 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WITH THREE STUDENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE COUNTY'S FIVE DISTRICTS.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION SUBMIT APPLICATIONS AND ARE SELECTED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, REPRESENTATIVE FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS.
THE YOUTH COMMISSION YOUTH COMMISSION SERVES AS A COMMUNICATIONS LINK BETWEEN THE YOUTH OF YOUR COUNTY AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BY RESEARCHING AND PRESENTING STUDENT ISSUES, PROBLEMS, NEEDS, IDEAS, AND SUGGESTIONS.
THE YOUTH COMMISSION ALSO MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING PROGRAMS PROVIDED TO YOUTH AND PARTICIPATES IN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT WHEN APPROPRIATE SERVICE ON THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION INCREASES MEMBERS' KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND PROVIDES OPPORTUNITIES FOR LEADERSHIP SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, AND CLOSE TEAMWORK WITH OTHER STUDENTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTY.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MR. THOMAS SHEPHERD TO COME DOWN AND GREET THE YOUTH COMMISSION WITH A CELEBRATORY PIN.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME UP AND STAND, UM, UP HERE SO THAT MR. SHEPHERD CAN GIVE YOU A PIN.
SO IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE YOUR COUNTY'S 2023 TO 2024 YOUTH COMMISSION.
FROM DISTRICT ONE, WE HAVE MINA RISK, THOMAS SHRINER, AND ALA XO FROM DISTRICT TWO, WE HAVE HANNAH HONG, ALLISON, RIO, AND NIKHIL LEY.
FROM DISTRICT THREE, WE HAVE JACOB CORBETT, KATE HOGAN, AND TALEN SMITH.
FROM DISTRICT FOUR, WE HAVE MOANA, JACKSON, VORA, AND ABBY SMITH.
LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST FROM
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DISTRICT FIVE, WE HAVE LINY NEY, JOSHUA NAMM, KUN, AND JANIE CHING.UM, SO THIS IS OUR YOUTH COMMISSION AND FOR THE YOUTH, YOUR MARCHING ORDERS IS THAT YOU'RE NOW PART OF THE GOVERNMENT.
OKAY? AND YOU'LL BE REPRESENTING THE 15, OR, UH, NO, 12,000, EXCUSE ME, UH, OR 13,000 STUDENTS IN YOUR COUNTY, IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO US ARE REALLY TAKEN TO HEART AS THEY'VE CHANGED SOME OF THE WAYS WE'VE DONE BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.
SO, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING SELECTED.
'CAUSE IT WAS, UH, WE HAD A CHOICE.
WE HAD, UH, HOW WE PICKED OUR, OUR CANDIDATES AND, UH, GO FORTH AND DO GOOD.
OKAY? SO GIVE, GIVE 'EM ALL A NEW HAND.
THANK, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT.
ANY OF THE, UH, CHAD, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, I, IT WAS A COMMENT, UH, AND, UH, IT'S VERY GOOD TO SEE ISLA XO.
ALL HER SIBLINGS HAVE PARTICIPATED, UH, UH, IN THE YOUTH COMMISSION.
AND, UH, YOU'VE GOT, UH, HIGH HOPES AND, UH, BIG, BIG SHOES TO FILL HERE.
AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR FAMILY'S COMMITMENT TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION.
AND I SEE YOUR FATHER, THE GENERAL XO BACK IN THE BACK WITH THE BIRTHPLACE OF AMERICA, SO THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO LEARN WHAT GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT, BUT NOT ONLY LEARN WHAT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S WORKING TOGETHER FROM MEMBERS OF DIFFERENT SCHOOLS ON A COMMON ISSUE.
AND YOU LEARN TO GIVE A LITTLE AND TAKE A LITTLE, AND THE WORD IS COMPROMISE.
AND I HOPE YOU LEARNED THAT EARLY ON IN YOUR LIFE.
STICK TO YOUR RULES AND, AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS ROOM TO COMPROMISE.
SO HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME, HAVE FUN, AND I HOPE YOU LEARN A WHOLE LOT.
YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY AND A GREAT YEAR, STEVEN.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD AGAIN TO SERVING AS THE BOARD LIAISON TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION.
I THINK THIS WILL BE MY, MY THIRD YEAR.
I GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN LAST NIGHT TO JOIN THE TEAM FOR THE YEAR, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR, AND DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL TH THIS CLASS THIS YEAR.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT ON THE AGENDA.
I, I KNOW IT DIDN'T LEAVE YOU A LOT OF TIME LAST NIGHT TO COVER IT ALL, BUT I KNOW YOU, WE GOTTA GET THE OFFICERS ELECTED, UH, NEXT MONTH AND GET, GET EVERYTHING ROLLING.
I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING SOME LEADERSHIP DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TEAM, LIKE, LIKE I DID LAST YEAR, UH, THAT I THINK THAT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AGAIN.
LOOKING FORWARD TO ANOTHER YEAR WITH YOU, WITH YOU ALL.
WELL, YEAH, IT'S ALL ABOUT LEADERSHIP, OKAY? THIS GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP YOUR LEADERSHIP.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO TAKE CHARGE.
UH, AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO INTERACT AND HAVE DIALOGUE WITH THOSE WHO MIGHT BE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE EQUATION.
DO NOT ACT LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES.
ACT AS THOUGH YOU'RE PART OF YOUR COUNTY BEST COUNTY IN VIRGINIA, NO DOUBT.
AND YOU HAVE THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP YOUR LEADERSHIP SKILLS, AND SO, UH, I BET YOU WELL AND STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE.
UM, WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
I'M GLAD, UH, YOU'RE ON THE BOARD AND THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE PRE PRESENTATION.
NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO, UH, MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.
SO IF YOU WANNA ESCAPE, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE, UH, ONCE PEOPLE START TALKING, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT ANY INTERRUPTIONS.
OKAY? SO IF YOU WANNA STAY, STAY, IF NOT, LEAVE.
OKAY, I SEE TWO PEOPLE TAKING UP THE OFFER.
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GOING TO CITIZEN COMMENT, PERIOD, THE RULES OF THE ROAD, BASICALLY, UM, YOU CAN COME UP AND YOU, I'LL CALL, CALL YOU IN ORDER, UH, THAT THESE WERE RECEIVED.UM, YOU'LL GET, UH, THREE MINUTES.
THE LIGHTS I, I ASSUME ARE WORKING THE GREEN LIGHT.
UH, WE'LL START THE GREEN LIGHT AFTER YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
OKAY? THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE, FOR THE MINUTES.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, LAURA W LAURA.
WELCOME NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
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LAKESIDE DRIVE IN THE COMMUNITY OF DARE.I'M VERY NERVOUS, SO BEAR WITH ME.
I HAVE LIVED IN YORK COUNTY FOR 65 YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN A USER OF THE SENIOR CENTER FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS FRIENDS AND MET MY NEIGHBORS BY ATTENDING PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE CENTER AS WE AGE.
WE NEED TO BE ACTIVE AND KEEP COMMUNICATIONS OPEN AND LEARN NEW THINGS AND KEEP MOVING.
I CAN DRIVE MYSELF TO THE STORE FOR GROCERIES, THE DOCTOR, THE DENTIST, AND THE SENIOR CENTER, BUT I CAN SEE THAT THE FUTURE WILL DICTATE WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF AND DRIVING WILL NOT BE SOMETHING I WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO.
IN THE 20 PLUS YEARS THAT I'VE ATTENDED THE PROGRAMS AT THE CENTER, I MYSELF HAVE PROVIDED RIDES TO OTHERS WHO ARE UNABLE TO DRIVE AND HAVE NO ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION.
I DO NOT SEE MY BEING SO FORTUNATE.
THERE ARE FOUR MEMBERS TODAY THAT NEED HELP OR GIVE HELP TO SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A WAY TO GET TO THE CENTER.
I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL SEE THAT THERE WILL BE OTHERS WHO NEED A RIDE, MAYBE EVEN YOU IN THE FUTURE.
YOUR COUNTY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW WE CAN BE HELPED AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.
LIKE MEALS ON WHEELS, IT CAN BE DONE.
PLEASE GIVE YOUR ELDER COUNTY RESIDENTS YOUR ATTENTION AND GET US AWAY TO CONTINUE EXERCISING, LEARNING, MAKING FRIENDS, BEING ACTIVE IN MANY WAYS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR.
WELCOME NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS ERICA MITCHELL AND I LIVE AT 1 0 6 COVE CRESCENT IN PINEY POINT, RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO LOBBY FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE YORK COUNTY SENIOR CITIZENS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE DOOR-TO-DOOR TRANSPORTATION FOR THOSE LONG-TERM CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY, WHO CAN NO LONGER DRIVE THEMSELVES TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
THE SENIOR CENTER HAS MANY ENRICHING PROGRAMS THAT OUR MEMBERS WANT TO CONTINUE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF.
WITHOUT THIS SERVICE, THEY WILL BE LEFT HOME ALONE WITHOUT SOCIAL STIMULATION AND OR DAILY INTERACTION.
TO THAT END, OUR COMMITTEE APPROACHED THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSIT AUTHORITY OFFICE IN VIRGINIA BEACH, HOPING TO PARTICIPATE IN A RIDESHARE PILOT PROGRAM OUTLINED IN A DAILY PRESS ARTICLE, WE WERE ADVISED THAT ALTHOUGH NEWPORT NEWS AND HAMPTON COULD BE INCLUDED, YORK COUNTY BELONGS TO THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA TRANSIT AUTHORITY.
OKAY,
FOR THOSE SENIOR CITIZENS WHO CAN NO LONGER DRIVE THEMSELVES, WE PROPOSE TWO TRANSPORTATION SHIFTS, ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON.
THE PATRONS WHO HAVE THIS ESTABLISHED AND APPROVED NEED WOULD COME TO THE CENTER FOR THE MORNING AND PARTICIPATE IN CLASSES OR JUST SIT AND CONVERSE WITH OTHER SENIOR PATRONS AT THEIR LEISURE AND THEN TRAVEL HOME.
AND THE AFTERNOON PATRONS WOULD COME FOR THE AFTERNOON ATTRACTIONS LIKE THE MOVIES, ART CLASSES, BOARD GAMES, WAR STORIES, JAMMING SESSIONS, ET CETERA AT THE CENTER AND THEN TRAVEL HOME TO THEIR RESIDENTS.
THE PROGRAMS THAT THE SENIOR CENTER PROVIDES ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE PATRON'S, COGNITIVE AND PHYSICAL ABILITY TO FUNCTION AS A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF SOCIETY.
OUR VITAL SENIORS HAVE PAID YOUR COUNTY TAXES FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
SOME PATRONS HAVE BEEN COUNTY RESIDENTS FOR ALL OF THEIR 80 AND 90 YEARS OF AGE.
ALL THEY ARE REQUESTING FROM THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT FOR A RIDESHARE PROGRAM SO THAT THESE RESIDENTS CAN CONTINUE THE COMRADERY ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND ENJOY TIME WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS.
HERE AT THE SENIOR CENTER, I WILL CLOSE
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BY CITING INFORMATION PROVIDED BY H R T A AND WADA INDICATING THAT THERE ARE PRIVATE STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS AVAILABLE FOR THIS, AND THAT WE STAND READY TO ASSIST IN SUBMITTING THESE PROPOSALS IF THE NEED ARISES.RESPECTFULLY COM SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IN CASE I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO FOLKS, THE GREEN LIGHTS TO GO.
I MEAN, YOU, WE'LL TURN IT ON AFTER YOU GIVE THE ADDRESS.
THE YELLOW LIGHT GIVES YOU 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE RED LIGHT COMES ON.
AND THE RED LIGHT'S THREE MINUTES.
I LIVE AT 1 0 9 3 POINT COURT IN THE MAR BANK AREA OF THE COUNTY.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE SENIOR CENTER PATRONS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, OFFER OUR CONCERNS, THOUGHTS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND REQUESTS.
SHE'S GIVEN OUR PATRON PERSPECTIVE IN REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT IT MEANS TO, TO HER.
UM, MANY MORE WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT THEY CAN'T DRIVE TO GET HERE AND MANY OF THEM DO NOT DRIVE AFTER DARK.
ERICA MITCHELL HAS SPOKEN, UH, ABOUT SOME OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE AND THE BENEFITS OF THE SENIOR CENTER AS PROGRAMMING.
AND ERICA HAS ALSO PROPOSED WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO NOW I'D LIKE TO PRESENT JUST A FEW STATISTICS.
SOME OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHEN THE SENIOR CENTER FIRST BEGAN IN 1991 AND YOU'VE WATCHED IT GROW IN ATTENDANCE AND EXPANDING PROGRAMS THROUGH THE YEARS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS GIVEN US SUPPORT OVER THESE MANY YEARS.
IN AUGUST, 2023, THERE WERE 1,323 PATRON VISITS FOR PROGRAMS THAT WERE ENJOYED.
THIS IS A TYPICAL MONTHLY USAGE OF THE SENIOR CENTER FOR REGULAR PARTICIPATION OF PROGRAMS AND FOR NEW AND SPECIAL EVENTS.
THE PATRONS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE IS A GRASSROOTS GROUP OF CONCERNED SENIORS WHO HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE SENIOR CENTER FOR MANY YEARS OR MORE RECENTLY, HAVE JOINED AND ARE EITHER NO LONGER ABLE TO DRIVE THEMSELVES OR WHO NOW ARE FACING THE DAYS WHEN THEIR DRIVING DAYS WILL END SOON.
LACK OF TRANSPORTATION IS NOT A NEW ISSUE, BUT IT HAS BECOME AN URGENT CONCERN FOR MANY WHO WANT TO CONTINUE COMING TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
OVER THIS PAST YEAR, THE COMMITTEE HAS WORKED, UH, WITH THE SENIOR CENTER BOARD, UH, LYNN MCMULLEN, AND MORE RECENTLY MARK BELLAMY AND BRIAN FULLER TO EXPLORE THE ISSUE AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
AT A RECENT MEETING WITH MARK BELLAMY AND BRIAN FULLER, WE WERE ASKED TO COME UP WITH A CRITERIA FOR PATRONS TO BE ELIGIBLE TO USE THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
OUR COMMITTEE DID THAT AND IN ADDITION, DRAFTED AN APPLICATION FORM COMMITTEE MEMBERS ALSO SEARCHED INFORMATION FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HOW THEY PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR SENIORS.
DATA FROM THE VIRGINIA TRAFFIC FACTS WEBSITE REPORTS THAT THE RISK IS GREATER FOR DECLINE IN PHYSICAL AND MENTAL CAPACITY TO DRIVE SAFELY AT AROUND THE AGE OF 75.
CURRENTLY, THE SENIOR CENTER USES AN APPROPRIATE COUNTY VAN TO TRANSPORT PATRONS ON SPECIAL OUTINGS.
WE NEED A DAILY VAN FOR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS TO BE MET, AND A DRIVER AND FUNDS TO SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM.
FUNDING APPROVAL IS WHAT WE NEED FROM THE COUNTY NOW TO SUPPORT A DAILY TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
AS BOARD MEMBERS IN YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, YOU HAVE ASKED THE SENIOR CENTER HOW YOU CAN HELP, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP NOW.
DON'T PANIC WHEN THAT LIGHT COMES ON.
YEAH, YOU PUT THAT IN OVERDRIVE.
UM, I LIVE AT 1 0 3 HALE CIRCLE IN YORKTOWN IN THE RIVERWALK TOWN SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S AN URGENT, CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER AT THE INTERSECTION OF GUZZLE ROAD AND ROUTE 2 38 OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
THIS INTERSECTION HAS BEEN THE SCENE OF NUMEROUS SERIOUS ACCIDENTS, THE MOST RECENT BEING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 11TH, 2023.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER A WEEK AGO.
CITIZENS HAVE DIED AND HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED.
YOU'LL HEAR FROM THOSE WITH PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THESE EXPERIENCES ON A DAILY BASIS.
WE ARE TRAUMATIZED BY THE STRESS.
THIS INTERSECTION CAUSES OUR CHILDREN, OUR FAMILIES, AND GUESTS THAT VISIT OUR HOMES.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES VETERANS AND ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY.
THEY ALREADY FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES AND FREEDOM.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOSING THEIRS, CROSSING THAT INTERSECTION SECTION.
MOREOVER, OUR BROADER COMMUNITY INCLUDES, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO SCHOOL, BUS DRIVERS, POSTAL EMPLOYEES, CONTRACTORS, POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL WHO RESPOND TO THESE ACCIDENTS.
EVERY TIME WE LEAVE OUR HOMES, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO DIE OR BE HIT BY A
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SPEEDING CAR.AS WE ATTEMPT TO CROSS OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
THE CURRENT TRAFFIC SIGNS THAT ARE THERE DO NOT WORK.
RESIDENTS AND HOMES CLOSE TO OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD ON A DAILY BASIS HERE, TIRE SCREECHING.
AS DRIVERS NAVIGATE THAT INTERSECTION, A CAR HAS CRASHED THROUGH THE FENCE, THAT IRON FENCE THAT BORDERS OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
A RESIDENT LIVING NEXT TO THAT FENCE IS AFRAID TO LET HIS KIDS PLAY OUT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.
YOU'LL HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF SOME RESIDENTS WHO HAVE ASSISTED ACCIDENT VICTIMS UNTIL THE MEDICAL PERSONNEL ARRIVE.
WE HAVE SPOKEN TO FIRST RESPONDERS AT THE FIRE STATION WHO DO NOT RELISH THE IDEA OF MORE FATALITIES OVER THESE YEARS.
WE HAVE COPIES OF SIGNATURES ON A PETITION OF CITIZENS WHO ARE OUTRAGED BY THE INADEQUATE SOLUTION TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION SAFER.
PEOPLE ARE STILL REQUESTING TO SIGN THESE PETITIONS, AND AS SOON AS WE GET THE REST OF THEM, I WILL MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO YOU IN LESS THAN A WEEK.
WE HAVE GARNERED HUNDREDS OF PETITIONS SIGNERS.
THE ANXIETY CAUSED BY KNOWING THAT THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE ARE SOMEONE WE KNOW MIGHT BE HIT, CAUSES A LOT OF STRESS, AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, A LOT OF TRAUMA.
OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY MATTER, WE PAY TAXES, WE VOTE.
SO WE WANT NO MORE INADEQUATE SIGNS.
WE DON'T WANT TO DIE AND GET MAIMED BEFORE A SOLUTION COMES.
I'M DOUG ROY, 1 0 3 MARINA POINT WILLIAMSBURG SUPERVISORS.
I HAVE A SPREADSHEET IN FRONT OF ME CALCULATING THE VEHICLE FLOW FOR A WAREHOUSE EQUIVALENT TO 2.3 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE PROPOSED SIZE OF YORK 64 TRADE CENTER AT LAKE FOOT ROAD IN ROHAM.
BO DRIVE A WAREHOUSE OF THIS CAPACITY RECEIVES A CONTAINER LOAD ONCE EVERY THREE MINUTES.
YOU MIGHT ASK HOW I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT.
WELL, I HAVE DESIGNED, BUILT, AND OPERATED WAREHOUSES OF THIS SIZE IN THREE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
I HAPPEN TO HAVE CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE MOVING CONTAINER TRUCKS ON A THREE MINUTE BASIS.
SOME MAY ACTUALLY VIEW ME AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
IF I GO TO THE READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION ON VIRGINIA PORT AUTHORITY STATISTICS IN THE NORFOLK AREA, WAREHOUSES AVERAGE 90% CAPACITY HIGHER IF THEY'RE IN THE FREE TRADE ZONE.
THE STOCK TURNOVER RATE IS 11 TIMES PER YEAR.
SO 11 TIMES A YEAR, THAT ENTIRE VOLUME OF THE WAREHOUSE IS TRADED OUT.
THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 1.8 MILLION PALLETS PER YEAR.
100,000 CONTAINER TRUCKS FOR FEDEX, U P S D H L AND OTHER DISTRIBUTION TRUCKS.
THEY CARRY THE EQUIVALENT OF TWO PALLETS PER LOAD, ROUGHLY 5,500 POUNDS.
SO WE HAVE 1.8 MILLION DISTRIBUTION TRUCKS LEAVING THAT FACILITY EACH YEAR.
18, THE COMBINED VOLUME OF CONTAINER TRUCKS PLUS DISTRIBUTION TRUCKS IN AND OUT PER DAY IS JUST OVER 7,600.
AND THAT'S JUST MANAGING THE PRODUCT.
THAT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PA, THE CONTAINERS GOING BACK TO THE PORT.
IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PALLETS THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
IT'S NOT TA TALKING ABOUT THE SHRINK WRAP THAT NEEDS TO GO TO LANDFILL.
IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYEES OR SERVICE VEHICLES.
THE NUMBERS ARE A COMP, UH, TELL A COMPELLING STORY.
I'VE LIVED IT, I'VE MANAGED IT.
I'VE DESIGNED AND BUILT THESE FACILITIES.
A WAREHOUSE OF THIS SIZE AND MAGNITUDE REQUIRES A DEDICATED ROAD COMING IN OFF A MAJOR HIGHWAY.
LIGHTFOOT ROAD IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE.
CHRISTINA FITZSIMMONS WELCOME.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA FITZSIMMONS.
CAN YOU OH YEAH, PULL, YOU CAN PULL THE MIC HOWEVER YOU GET IT TO YOU.
UH, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA FITZSIMMONS.
I LIVE AT 1 0 7 ALEXIA LANE, UH, IN RIVER WALK TOWNS IN YORKTOWN.
I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 2015.
I USE THE INTERSECTION OF OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD AND GOOSE LEE ROAD MANY TIMES EACH DAY I APPROACH THIS INTERSECTION FROM ALL DIRECTIONS.
I CAN SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THIS INTERSECTION IS DANGEROUS FROM EVERY DIRECTION AND AT ALL TIMES OF DAY.
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MY NEIGHBORS AND I ARE TERRIFIED EVERY TIME WE DRIVE OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS IS ABOUT SO MANY MORE PEOPLE'S SAFETY AND LIVES.THIS INTERSECTION HAS CAUSED REPEATED DAMAGE TO PROPERTY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY AND TERRIBLY INJURY TO PEOPLE.
TOO MANY ACCIDENTS HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED HERE, AND MANY HAVE BEEN SERIOUS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE AND ELECTRICAL POLES HAVE BEEN HIT.
RESIDENTS FROM SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE BEEN HIT.
PEOPLE IN CARS, MOTORCYCLES, TRUCKS REPEATEDLY AND REGULARLY CRASHING AT HIGH SPEEDS.
PLEASE STOP THIS TERRIFYING CYCLE OF CRASHES, HAZARDS HERE IN CADE.
SPEED, VISIBILITY, AND A CONFUSING AND DANGEROUS TRAFFIC PATTERN.
WHY DOES THIS SHORT STRETCH OF OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD NEED TO BE 45 MILES AN HOUR? LET'S LOWER THAT.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, I BELIEVE WE NEED A FOUR-WAY TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTALLED.
I'VE PERSONALLY HAD TO CALL 9 1 1 AFTER HEARING A TERRIBLE CRASH FROM INSIDE MY HOME.
THEN FOLLOWED HIS DISPATCHER'S INSTRUCTIONS TO RUN CLEAN TOWELS OUT, TO WORK ALONGSIDE MY NEIGHBORS IN THE STREET TO TRY TO HELP SERIOUSLY HURT AND BLEEDING PEOPLE THAT WERE TRAPPED IN THEIR CARS WRECKED ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
JUST AFTER THIS INTERSECTION, WHILE AWAITING FIRST RESPONDERS, IT HAUNTS ME.
I STILL DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE WERE SURVIVED.
I DO KNOW THAT WE CAN PROACTIVELY HELP OTHER PEOPLE, THOUGH WE NEED TO PREVENT FURTHER ACCIDENTS.
WE KNOW THIS AREA IS A HAZARD.
THE INTERSECTION IS FREQUENTED MANY TIMES EVERY DAY BY SCHOOL BUSES FULL OF OUR CHILDREN TRYING TO GET SAFELY TO SCHOOL BY YORK COUNTY, FIRETRUCKS AND EMTS, TEENAGE DRIVERS THROUGH PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS.
IT'S A PASS THROUGH FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL GOING TO THE NAS WEAPONS STATION AS WELL AS THE COAST GUARD TRAINING CENTER.
IT'S USED DAILY BY LARGE TRUCKS AS FREQUENTLY AS BICYCLES.
WHAT THE COLONIAL PARKWAY CLOSURES NOW TRAFFIC IS INCREASING SUBSTANTIALLY.
CRUISE SHIPS MAY ALSO BRING TOUR BUSES THROUGH.
PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER TO VISIT THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR MUSEUM TO ATTEND YOUR COUNTY'S MARKETS CONCERTS, AND 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.
THIS MEANS THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DESERVE AND NEED TO BE SAFE DRIVING HERE.
PLEASE INSTALL A FOUR-WAY TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION.
STOP THE INJURIES, PROTECT LIVES.
PLEASE DON'T LET OUR RESIDENTS BE HAUNTED BY ANOTHER ACCIDENT AND ACT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I BEG YOU AS A MOTHER, AS A NEIGHBOR, AS A YOUR COUNTY RESIDENT.
PLEASE INSTALL A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
I GUESS THIS IS, UH, PATRICK, UH, FITZSIMMONS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS PATRICK FITZSIMMONS.
I LIVE AT 1 0 7 ALEXIA LANE IN YORKTOWN AT THE RIVER WALL COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY WIFE.
UM, WE HAVE LIVED THERE FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS NOW, AND, UM, I, UM, HAVE BEEN DRIVING ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD AT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, EVERY DAY FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND, UM, I'D SAY AT LEAST FIVE TO SIX TIMES A WEEK, I AM FEEL I FEAR FOR MY LIFE JUST LEAVING THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THE SPEED LIMIT THERE, UM, IT IS 45, BUT I PEOPLE TYPICALLY DRIVE 55 OR EVEN HIGHER THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
AND IT'S A CURVED ROAD, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE EITHER WAY.
UH, AND WHEN SOMEONE COMES AROUND THAT CURVE, IT'S ALMOST TOO LATE.
UM, SO A FOUR-WAY STOP OR A LIGHT WOULD BE IDEAL.
DEFINITELY LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
JUST THAT IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AND, UM, I'VE WITNESSED COUNTLESS ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY BEFORE US EVEN LONGER, AND THEY'VE SEEN EVEN MORE ACCIDENTS.
SO, UM, JUST PLEASE HELP US WITH THIS.
IS IT WAYNE OR WAYNE MCKAY? WAYNE MCKAY, SIR.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND, UH, OVER THE PAST YEARS, THE INTERSECTION LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE RED WALK TOWNS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EXPERIENCED NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, SERIOUS INJURIES AND FATALITIES.
UH, VDOT CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC SAFETY STUDY WHEREIN EXCESSIVE SPEEDING APPROXIMATELY 54 MILES PER HOUR, UH, WAS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIMARY, UH, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THESE ACCIDENTS.
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KNOWLEDGE, NO DEMONSTRABLE OR SIGNIFICANT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERNS AT THIS INTERSECTION, THEREBY CONTINUING, UH, TO JEOPARDIZE LIFE AND, UH, JEOPARDIZE LIFE AND PLACE, UH, PROPERTY AT RISK.THIS EVENING, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE SOME MITIGATION STRATEGIES TO ENHANCE SAFETY.
UH, AS YOU HEARD, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WOULD BE A GOOD MITIGATION IF THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
UH, PERHAPS TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES SUCH AS WORKING WITH VDOT TO REDUCE SPEED LIMIT ON THE HIGHWAY 2 38, UH, TO 30 MILES PER HOUR.
2 38 IS, UH, OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD AND, UH, WHEN TRANSITING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION, UH, REDUCED GOOSE LEE ROAD SPEED, UH, LIMIT FROM 40 TO 30 MILES PER HOUR, APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET FROM THE, UH, INTERSECTION ITSELF.
AND ALSO IMPLEMENT RUMBLE STRIPS ON THE HIGHWAY 2 38 FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE INTERSECTION ON GOOSE LEE ROAD PRIOR TO, UH, APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION, UH, TO ALERT DRIVERS TO SLOW DOWN.
SO IF WE HAVE RUMBLE STRIPS ON BOTH SIDES OF 2 38, AS WELL AS, UM, ON GOOSE LEE, THAT MIGHT BE A COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO, UH, REDUCE SPEED, IMPROVE SIGNAGE AND SIGNALS, INSTALL ADVANCED WARNING SIGNS AND LIGHTS, INDICATING THE PRESENCE OF INTER THE INTERSECTION AHEAD AND IT'S LOWERED.
SPEED LIMITS, UH, VISIBILITY ENHANCEMENTS APPLY REFLECTIVE PAINT OR MARKERS ON THE ROADWAY TO ENHANCE VISIBILITY DURING NIGHTTIME CONDITIONS.
IT'S EXTREMELY DARK THERE AT NIGHT WE HAVE ONE STREET LIGHT ILLUMINATES, UH, KIND OF A YELLOWISH, UH, HUE AND, UH, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION.
UH, THUS CREATING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO SPEED ON GOOSE LANE AND CRASHING THROUGH THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
UH, INSTALL ADDITIONAL AND BETTER LIGHTING TO INCREASE LUMINANCE TO MAKE VISIBLE TO ALL MOTORISTS OF THE INTERSECTION AND IT'S ASSOCIATED SIGNAGE AND ROADWAY MARKERS.
CONTINUOUSLY COLLECT AND ANALYZE TRAFFIC DATA TO MONITOR THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR IMPLEMENTED MEASURES AND IDENTIFY EVOLVING SAFETY TRENDS OR ISSUES.
THE LEGAL ACTIONS HERE IS, IT'S CONCERNING THAT THIS ISSUE COULD EVOLVE INTO LEGAL ACTIONS SHOULD A VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCES PURSUIT SUCH ACTIONS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THIS EVENING'S DISCOURSE THAT DETAILS INHERENT RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS INTERSECTION.
WHILE WE DO NOT EVER WISH, UH, THIS ISSUE TO BECOME A LEGAL ISSUE OF MUNICIPAL LIABILITY, WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO PERSUADE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS TO SAVE LIFE AND PROPERTY.
UH, MY NAME IS CINDY LOU ATKINS AND I LIVE AT ONE 11TH SMITH STREET IN NEW YORKTOWN.
THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IS A $12.2 BILLION COMPANY THAT TRADES ON THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE.
THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THEIR STOCKHOLDERS.
THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BENEFITING YORKTOWN OR EVEN COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG.
PORTS OF CALL ALL OVER THE WORLD HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT THERE IS NO MEANINGFUL ECONOMIC GAIN DUE TO INFRASTRUCTURE, EXPENSE, MAINTENANCE, POLLUTION, AND OVER TOURISM.
MARSAI, AMSTERDAM, CROATIA, KEY WEST BAR HARBOR, CHARLESTON, AMONG OTHERS ARE TRYING TO EITHER END THE RELATIONSHIP, CURB THE NUMBER OF VISITS, OR CURB THE SIZE OF THE SHIPS.
CHARLESTON SPENT A A LOT OF MONEY FOR A CRUISE SHIP TERMINAL, AND NOW THEY HATE IT.
CHARLESTON'S HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY ON THE WORLD MONUMENT'S FUND LIST OF MOST ENDANGERED CULTURAL SITES.
ECHOING CHARLESTON'S CAUTION ARE PLACES LIKE KEY WEST, SAN DIEGO, MOBILE, VENICE, COZUMEL, BRITISH COLUMBIA, NORWAY, ET CETERA.
I DO NOT BELIEVE YORK COUNTY HAS DONE ITS DUE DILIGENCE IN CONTACTING OTHER PORTS OF CALL AND RESEARCHING THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC GAIN.
I ALSO BELIEVE THAT YORK COUNTY MAY NOT HAVE RUN THE NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT WOULD BE OR NOT BE THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, A NONPROFIT WHOSE MISSION STATEMENT IS IRONICALLY TO PROTECT THE CHESAPEAKE BAY IS THE ONLY PRIVATE WATERFRONT PROPERTY IN HISTORIC YORKTOWN.
AND THAT IS WHO PRINCESS CRUISE LINES HAS TARGETED WITH PROMISES OF A PIER AND THE RE-IMAGINING OF THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM.
WHO WOULD PAY FOR THE PIER ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? WHO WOULD OWN THE PIER? WHO WOULD HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE PIER? WHO WAS PAYING TO ENHANCE THE MUSEUM? HOW MANY OTHER CRUISE LINES WOULD BE USING THE PIER? PLEASE DO NOT ENDORSE THIS FRUITLESS VENTURE WITH TAXPAYER'S MONEY.
PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IS EXPECT, IS EXPECTING US TO BE DAZZLED BY WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL BRING TO OUR REGION.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OUR GOVERNING BODIES ARE NOT LEMMINGS AND WILL NOT FALL IN LINE AS SO MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE HAVE
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DONE AND NOW REGRET.REMEMBER, CRUISE SHIPS ARE FORTRESS HOTELS.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING FUNNY, SOMETHING FUNNY.
CRUISE SHIPS ARE FORTRESS HOTELS PROVIDING LODGING, FOOD, AND, AND ENTERTAINMENT.
THE CRUISE LINE INDUSTRY WANTS THEIR PASSENGERS MONEY TO STAY ON THE SHIP, NOT IN OUR POCKETS.
AND THERE IS NO FEDERAL AGENCY THAT OVERSEES THE CRUISE SHIP INDUSTRY AS THE F A A DOES FOR THE AIRLINES.
MOST CRUISE LINES ARE REGISTERED OFFSHORE AND PAY VERY LITTLE FEDERAL TAX.
CRUISE SHIPS ARE MAJOR AIR AND WATER POLLUTERS.
PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IS CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT FOR POLLUTING AN INTERNATIONAL COVERUP.
IS THIS WHO WE WANNA DO BUSINESS WITH? I WOULD RATHER SEE TAXPAYER MONEY SPENT TO ENHANCE, ENHANCE PATRICK HENRY AIRPORT IN ORDER TO ATTRACT BOTH BUSINESSES AND TOURISM DOLLARS.
INSTEAD OF MONEY GOING TO ADVANCE FREELOADER CRUISE LINES, COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG COULD MORE EASILY ATTRACT TOURISTS WHO COULD FLY IN NONSTOP FOR A FOUR DAY WEEKEND AND WHO COULD ACTUALLY SPEND MONEY ON FOOD AND LODGING AND NOT JUST A $10 T-SHIRT.
STEVEN KENNEDY, 1 0 4 PENN DRIVE.
ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION.
PLEASE GO TO CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY.ORG FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
MR. ZAREMBA TALKED ABOUT LEADERSHIP.
WE'LL CELEBRATE YOU ANOTHER DAY, SIR, I'VE GOT SOME GREATEST HITS I'D LOVE TO SHARE, BUT IT'LL TAKE ME THREE DAYS, NOT THREE MINUTES.
MR. GREEN IS MOVING ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHOSE NAME HAS BEEN BANTERED ABOUT FOR PURPOSES TO PUSH THROUGH THAT 2040 COMP PLAN.
WAIT TILL JANUARY WELL UNTIL THE NEW CREW IS IN AFTER THE ELECTION.
UH, ALSO, SPEAKING OF, UH, MR. GREEN, UH, HE WAS ALSO QUOTED AS SAYING ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS OR STR, YOU KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO JANUARY TWO.
NO POLICY IS A BAD POLICY, LADY AND GENTLEMEN.
SO HOW ABOUT THIS FOR POLICY? ZERO.
THERE'S ECONOMIC REASONS FOR THAT, NOT JUST POLITICAL.
YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE CAPITAL STOCK OF A NATION.
YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE CAPITAL STOCK OF A COUNTY.
WHEN LLCS WILL COME IN AND BUY ALL THE LOW PRICE POINT HOMES IN YORK COUNTY.
THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS PRICES WILL WORK AGAINST THEM.
UM, SO AGAIN, NO POLICY IS BAD.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY SEEM TO NOT WANNA HAVE A TRANSPARENT VIEW OF WHO EXACTLY OWNS SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THAT VOLUNTEER BOARD NEEDS TO TELL US WHO OWNS SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THIS COUNTY OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF THEY DO, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT WRITE ONE WORD IN A COMP PLAN OR SEE OR, OR ADVISE YOU AS VOLUNTEERS ON ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
POLICY, SUPPLY, SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS NOT DEAD.
TONIGHT BEFORE I LEFT, I CHECKED 176 HOTEL ROOMS, 39 MOTEL ROOMS, FIVE RESORTS ONE B AND B.
MR. BAIC IS WHEREVER HE IS TONIGHT.
32 V R B O ROOMS TONIGHT FOR A TOTAL OF 253.
WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS AMAZING E D A THAT CAN BRING THOUSANDS OF SHIP TOURISTS TO THIS COUNTY TO FILL UP THE 253 ROOMS. FIRST, COLLECT ALL THE TAX INTO THE GENERAL COFFERS OF YOUR COUNTY BEFORE WE START PUSHING MORE SUPPLY INTO THE MARKETPLACE.
UH, CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY.ORG ALONG WITH W DAILY IS SPONSORING A DEBATE TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10TH.
YOU ALL HAVE AN EMAIL IN YOUR INBOX.
IF YOU SAY I'M SPAM OR IF YOU SAY, IF YOU BLOCK ME, PLEASE UNBLOCK.
6:38 PM OCTOBER 10TH, THE HELLENIC CENTER, 4,900 MOTOWN ROAD, CHRIS SIX, THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF W DAILY CO-MODERATOR DOES NOT ENGAGE IN EDITORIALS NOR ENDORSE POLITICAL CANDIDATES.
WE'RE A 5 0 1 C THREE NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
WE'D LOVE TO SEE ALL OF YOU THERE.
ANYBODY HERE THAT HASN'T GOTTEN YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED TONIGHT? COME TO THE OCTOBER 10TH DEBATE.
WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU AND LOVE TO WELCOME YOU.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
COLONEL, YOU NEED TO HAVE, UH, AWAITS AND MEASURES.
COME CHECK YOUR, YOUR LIGHTS FOR THE
HELLO, MY NAME IS LORI ATKINS AND I LIVE ON ONE 11 SMITH STREET IN YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
THERE ARE OTHER PORT CITIES AND TOWNS ALONG THE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE UNITED STATES THAT
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HAVE EXPERIENCED BEING APPROACHED BY THE LARGE SCALE CRUISE INDUSTRY.UM, I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU, UM, SAVANNAH GEORGIA'S STORY, A STORY OF DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
WHAT FOLLOWS IS AN EDITED VERSION OF A LOCAL NEWSPAPER ARTICLE SUMMARIZING SAVANNAH'S CITY COUNCIL'S VOTE TO TURN DOWN CRUISE SHIP TERMINALS IN THEIR PORTS.
ON JUNE 27TH, CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO DENY THE PHASE TWO STUDY OF A CRUISE SHIP TERMINAL ON THE SAVANNAH RIVER LANDING SITE.
THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS FILLED TO THE BRIMM WITH CITIZENS, ALL OF WHOM SEEMED TO OPPOSE THE CRUISE TERMINAL.
SOME WERE ALLOWED TIME TO SPEAK AND SUBSEQUENTLY DENOUNCED THE IDEA.
DANIEL CAREY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HISTORIC SAVANNAH FOUNDATION, SAID THERE WASN'T COMPELLING EVIDENCE TO MOVE FORWARD.
PAM MILLER OF B SMART SAVANNAH, A CRUISE TERMINAL OPPOSITION GROUP, POINTED OUT THAT TINY SAVANNAH WOULD HAVE LITTLE CLOUT AMONG HEAVYWEIGHT CRUISE COMPANIES IF THEY EVER WANTED TO PULL OUT OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
MOREOVER, SHE SAID THERE'D BE NO BOOST TO LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ANY JOBS CREATED WOULD BE LOW PAYING AND SEASONAL.
THAT WAS THE GIST OF THE 12 OR SO PEOPLE WHO SPOKE, INCLUDING DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS.
NO ONE SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THE TERMINAL.
UM, BUT MOST PEOPLE ECHOED THE SENTIMENT THAT CRUISING FROM SAVANNAH WAS RIGHT TO BE EXPLORED, WAS LOOKED INTO THE PEOPLE SPOKE, AND NOW IT'S DONE.
THE COUNCIL PROFUSELY THANKED CITIZENS FOR THEIR INPUT AND ALL REVELED IN A MOMENT WHERE GOVERNMENT WAS ACTUALLY WORKING, UM, UH, WITHOUT RAM ROTTING AN ISSUE THROUGH.
MAYBE ON THE FACE OF IT, HAVING A FEW CRUISE SHIPS COME THROUGH.
SAVANNAH SOUNDED GOOD BOATLOADS OF PEOPLE WITH WADS OF CASH TURNED LOOSE ON THE CITY.
UM, SOME OF OUR LOCAL LEADERSHIP OBVIOUSLY REGARDED THIS KIND OF TOUR AS AN ECONOMIC BOOM, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD'VE BEEN IF NOT FOR ALL THE NEGATIVE EXTERNAL COSTS, INCLUDING THE PROJECTED 100 MILLION TERMINAL PRICE TAG, CRUISE SHIP POLLUTION, AND THE HEAVY PRESSURE ON AN AGING DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXACT SENTIMENTS WE HAVE BEEN EXPRESSING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UM, RIGHT HERE IN YORKTOWN.
GOOD EVENING, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ALL ATTENDEES.
I LIVE AT TWO 14 EMILY LANE IN YORKTOWN, WHICH IS A RIVERWALK TOWN'S HOME COMMUNITY.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED BEFORE YOU, UH, REQUESTS TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT WE HAVE ON GLEE AND OLD WILLIAMS, UH, WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
UH, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT WHAT WAYNE STATES.
HE'S, UH, HIS RESEARCH IS SOUND.
UM, AND, UH, I ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 14 YEARS SINCE THAT ESTABLISHMENT WAS BUILT.
AND PERSONALLY, I, UH, RECALL HEARING TWO SPECIFIC, UM, UH, COLLISIONS THERE.
AND I WAS THE, UM, WITNESS TO THE ONE THAT JUST OCCURRED ON THE SEPTEMBER 11TH AND MADE THE, UH, NINE ONE ONE CALL FOR ASSISTANCE.
SO IT'S PRETTY IMPERATIVE THAT, UH, WE, UH, AS TAXPAYERS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE OUR GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES ADDRESS THESE THINGS, UH, AND TO CONTINUE THE SAFETY MEASURES, UH, FOR OUR SAFETY.
ELIZABETH WILKINS, GOOD EVENING BOARD.
UM, ELIZABETH WILKINS, 2 28 CHURCH STREET.
BASED ON YOUR LAST WORK SESSION, THE OBJECTIONS TO THE DOCK MASTERS BUILDING HAVE STILL NOT BEEN ADDRESSED OTHER THAN TINY WINDOW DRESSING MEASURES THAT HAVE NO VISUAL IMPACT, BUT PERHAPS GIVE YOU AN EXCUSE TO VOTE AGAIN TONIGHT UNTIL THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS REDUCED BY RECONSIDERING THE PROGRAMMATIC DESIGN THAT IS DRIVING THAT LARGE SIZE.
THESE OBJECTIONS BY THE H Y D C, THE PUBLIC AND THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD SURELY REMAIN.
THE PERCEPTION IS THAT THIS IS NOW BEING RUSHED TO CONSTRUCTION, A S A P.
AND YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF PANDERING TO PRINCESS AFTER BEING TABLED A MONTH AGO TONIGHT, YOU CAN DO THE RIGHT THING AND VOTE TO REDESIGN THE BARN IN A TRULY COLLABORATIVE MANNER.
THIS PROMINENT FEATURE ON THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT DESERVES YOUR VERY BEST EFFORTS.
AND SPEAKING OF PRINCESS, I THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR A SMALL SAMPLE OF CITIZEN COMMENTS FROM OUR
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PETITION IN CASE IT MATTERS.I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS.
THE ONLY REASON THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING THIS CATASTROPHE IS GREED.
THE ENTIRE IDEA IS PLAIN STUPID.
IT WILL DESTROY THE RIVER AND BAY ECOSYSTEM, DESTROY THE TOWN, WILDLIFE AND HISTORICAL SITES.
REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU VOTE IN NOVEMBER, STOP.
I GREW UP IN YORKTOWN AND MY SISTER AND MOTHER STILL LIVE HERE.
THIS TINY HISTORIC TOWN CANNOT IN ANY WAY HANDLE THE MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE GETTING OFF SHIPS OF THIS SIZE.
IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS PROPOSAL.
THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN DO NOT WANT A HUGE CRUISE SHIP CARRYING THOUSANDS OF PASSENGERS IN OUR QUAINT LITTLE TOWN.
YORKTOWN IS TOO SMALL TO HAVE THESE MONSTER SHIPS DWARFED THE BEAUTY AND AMBIANCE OF THIS HISTORIC VILLAGE.
IT IS AMUSING THAT PRINCESS CRUZ'S CLAIMS AND INTEREST IN US COLONIAL HISTORY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS INCORPORATED IN BERMUDA AND MOST OF ITS CRUISE SHIPS ARE REGISTERED IN THAT COUNTRY.
IN ORDER TO AVOID ALL US INCOME TAXES, US WAGE AND LABOR LAWS, AND US OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY REGULATIONS PROTECT OUR ECOSYSTEM, GO TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT THE SHIPS HAVE ALREADY DESTROYED BEYOND REPAIR.
THIS MOVE WILL DESTROY THE SMALL PORT, THE SMALL BUSINESSES, THE FAMILY BEACH, THE GORGEOUS VIEWS FROM THE TOWN TO THE BEACH.
PROGRESS DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN MORE OR BIGGER STOP.
I WISH I HAD THE TIME TO READ THEM ALL, BUT IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THE IDEA OF LARGE CRUISE SHIPS IN YORKTOWN IS DEEPLY UNPOPULAR.
WHEN WILL WE GET THAT TOWN HALL FORUM YOU PROMISED WHERE YOU TAKE OUR QUESTIONS AND ANSWER THEM IN PUBLIC? WE'VE BEEN ASKING AND ASKING.
THE LACK OF RESPONSIVENESS AND TRANSPARENCY OVER THESE MANY MONTHS HAS BEEN ASTOUNDING AND MAKES THE BEST POSSIBLE CASE FOR A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CODE OF ETHICS.
OKAY, FOLKS, UM, I DON'T MIND A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE CLAPPING.
WHAT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE? YOU INTIMIDATE THE POSSIBILITY OF INTIMIDATING PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPPOSITION.
SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE TO GO CLAP, GO OUTSIDE.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT.
I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT CORRECTLY.
UM, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IS A $12.2 BILLION INDUSTRY.
AND THE C E O MR. MR. JOHN PAGET IS PRIMARY CONCERN IS FOR THE STOCKHOLDERS OF THAT CORPORATION.
IN THAT REGARD, HE HAS ALREADY COMMISSIONED DRAWINGS, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS OR CONCEPT DRAWINGS OF THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, THE PIER, THE TENDER BOAT, PIER ALONG WATER STREET.
THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE WHEN THEY COME INTO TOWN.
A TOTAL RECONFIGURATION OF ALL THE BUILDINGS AT THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM, MOVING THEM AROUND IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE EXISTS A LARGE PARKING AREA FOR THE TOUR BUSES THAT ARE COMING IN.
AND ALL OF THIS IS ALLEGEDLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY PRINCESS CRUISES.
AND IT'LL CERTAINLY IN THE END, ENHANCE THE PORTFOLIO PRODUCTION OF THEIR STOCKHOLDERS.
AND WHAT, WHAT CAN BE BETTER THAN CREATING A PEER ON PRIVATE PROPERTY SO THAT IT'S TAKEN OUTTA THE HANDS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND WITH ALL THAT INFLUX OF MONEY INTO THAT PRO, UH, PRO PROPERTY, THERE'S GONNA BE VERY LITTLE THAT PEOPLE CAN DO TO CHANGE ANY OF THE PLANS THAT THESE THIS PRINCESS CRUISE LINE CORPORATION HAS IN MIND.
YOU ALL SEEM TO BE BLINDED BY THE LURE OF, UH, WINDFALL FOR YOUR COUNTY COFFERS, BUT AT WHAT COST TO THE CITIZENS, CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY AND TO THE CHARACTER OF THE SPECIAL HISTORIC PLACE, BRINGING PRINCESS INTO YORKTOWN IS JUST A BAD IDEA.
AND AS FAR AS THAT GOES, YOU'VE ALSO SHOWN SOME TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE GUIDELINES.
THESE ARE GUIDELINES THAT YOU ALL ESTABLISHED AS, AS A, AS A, A BOARD, AS A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
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COMPETENT MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE FOR NO APPARENT REASONS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU WANTED MORE FAVORABLE OUTCOME.AND WHEN DEALING WITH THAT COMMITTEE AS FAR AS THINGS SUCH AS THE, UH, DOCK MASTERS BUILDING IS CONCERNED, YOU REPLACED THESE TWO MEMBERS THAT WERE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH WITH TWO INDIVIDUALS.
ONE, A RESIDENT OF KIK WHO'S A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, A SECOND ONE WHO DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN THE TOWN, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT REPRESENTS THE MUSEUM AS, AS A MUSEUM PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, AND THIS IS NOT TO, UH, UH, NOT, NOT TO AVAILED A A MOVE BY YOU ALL TO TRY AND GET THE OUTCOME THAT YOU WANT FROM THAT COMMITTEE.
I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADOPT A CODE OF ETHICS.
SO THINGS LIKE THIS DO NOT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
UH, I'M CHRIS NICHOLSON FROM 180 BARLOW ROAD IN, UH, DISTRICT ONE.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AND THE PEOPLE OF YORK COUNTY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
UH, WE ALL LIVE IN A COMMONWEALTH AND, UH, STATES AND COMMONWEALTH, UH, ARE EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT THOSE FOUR STATES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ADOPTED THE COMMONWEALTH NAME ARE OPTING FOR THE COMMON GOOD FOR THE BETTER GOOD OF THE PEOPLE.
AND YOU CAN ONLY ACCOMPLISH THAT WHEN YOU ENCOURAGE THE POPULATION TO COOPERATE WITH THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH TRANSPARENCY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID HERE TONIGHT ABOUT, UH, AREN'T ISSUES THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL VERY FA VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
UH, AND SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO BELABOR THEM HERE.
BUT THERE ARE THREE EXAMPLES THAT I THINK, UH, INDICATE THAT HAD THE COUNTY DONE A BETTER JOB AT SELLING THESE AND EXPLAINING WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS THAT MORE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE BEEN, UM, ENTICED TO SUPPORT, UH, THESE ACTIVITIES.
AND THE THREE R UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE, UH, APPROVAL ISSUE.
UH, WHAT STRUCK ME THERE WAS, UH, MOST OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC CAME OUT THROUGH F O I A REQUEST.
HAD THERE BEEN SOME INITIAL WORK TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED, HOW THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO EXECUTE IT, UH, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A BIT MORE, UH, SUPPORT FOR THAT.
UM, AND THE SECOND IS THE ROSHAMBO WAREHOUSE ACTIVITY.
WHAT REALLY STRUCK ME THERE WAS THE DECISION THAT IF IT WAS JUST ONE WAREHOUSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
BUT BECAUSE IT'S FIVE WAREHOUSES, WE CAN TERM THAT TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THEREFORE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR ANY PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY AND THAT COULD HAVE VERY LIKELY HELPED THE WHOLE PROCESS HAD THAT BEEN, UH, UNDERTAKEN EARLIER.
AND THE THIRD ONE IS THE KINGS CREEK TRANQUILITY, UM, UH, EXPANSION PROJECT WHERE SPRINGFIELD ROAD IS USED AS A, UH, CONSTRUCTION ACCESS ROAD.
THERE WERE BETTER WAYS TO DO THAT.
THOSE 16 FAMILIES ON THAT ROAD COULD HAVE BEEN SPARED ALL THAT PROBLEM.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE TO GO DRIVE DOWN SPRINGFIELD ROAD TODAY.
YOU CANNOT DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD WITH AN OPEN CUP OF COFFEE AND NOT SPILL IT BECAUSE OF THE EFFECT OF THE HEAVY TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
RON STRUBLE, 2 0 5 SHADY BLUFF POINT, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
UH, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION, A NONPROFIT DEDICATED TO PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY AND INTEGRITY OF LOCAL GOVERNANCE.
TONIGHT IT SEEMS THE VOTES HAVE BEEN SECURED TO GET THIS DOCK MASTER PROJECT APPROVED.
REGARDLESS OF THE HISTORIC YORK DESIGN COMMITTEE, YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE'S TWICE DOCUMENTED DENIAL.
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YCS WRITTEN DENIAL AND THEIR GUIDELINES DO NOT MATTER, THEN I PROPOSE WE ABOLISH THE H Y D C AND REMOVE THIS PESKY ANNOYANCE.TWO WEEKS AGO, YOU ALL SAT IN A NEARBY ROOM AND SHARED EACH OF YOUR OPINIONS OF WHAT YOU FELT WERE GOOD AND BAD ABOUT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
NOBODY EVEN ASKED WHAT THE H Y D C DESIGN GUIDELINES ENTAILED.
I DID NOT HEAR THE ADMINISTRATOR OR SUPERVISOR ASKED TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTED REASONS FOR THE DENIAL OF A DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
IT SEEMS AT LEAST THREE OF YOU FEEL THIS.
BOARD'S OPINIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS ESTABLISHED BY YOU TO DRAFT AND EVALUATE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ENSURE PRESERVATION OF THE AESTHETIC CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER ABOLISHING THE H Y D C AFTER TONIGHT'S VOTE, SINCE IT SEEMS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, SUPERVISORS OPINIONS ARE WHAT MATTER, NOT THE WRITTEN DESIGN GUIDELINES OR CITIZENS VOICED CONCERNS.
THE CITIZENS OF YORKTOWN VILLAGE RESIDENTS HAVING TO ABIDE BY SPECIFIC DESIGN RULES FOR THEIR HOMES.
BUT THOSE SAME RULES DO NOT APPLY TO OUR COUNTER LEADERS.
BETSY TAYLOR, ONE 11 KISKI WATCH YORKTOWN.
I AM SPEAKING NOT FROM PERSONAL INTEREST TONIGHT, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF VISITORS TO YORKTOWN, THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO TRAVERSE BALLARD STREET IN THE YEARS TO COME.
THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT AS IT STANDS TODAY AS A TREASURE, THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT AS A UNIT ON A VERY HUMAN SCALE.
IT HAS A SENSE OF PERMANENCE OVER THE LAST DECADE.
BRICKS HAVE MELLOWED, THE PLANTINGS HAVE MATURED, AND THERE'S A FILLING OF A VILLAGE AS ONE ROUNDS A CORNER OR WALKS BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THE LARGER BUILDINGS ARE POSITIONED TO THE WEST AT THE BASE OF THE BRIDGE WHERE THE AREA BETWEEN THE RIVER AND THE ROAD IS WIDER, BROADER, THE WEIGHT OF THE PROJECT, THAT'S THE I THE WIDEST THE SCALE THEN TAPERS IN HEIGHT AND WEIGHT TO THE EAST WHERE THE ROAD AND THE RIVER COME TOGETHER.
THERE'S A HARMONY IN THE SITE DESIGN AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING ABSOLUTELY OVERWHELMS THE SITE THAT IT IS THAT IS PLANNED FOR ITS ERECTION.
UM, IT LOOKS AS IF IT'S GONNA TOPPLE INTO THE RIVER THE SIZE OF IT.
HOW CAN A BUILDING THAT IS TWICE THE SIZE AND A LARGER FOOTPRINT MATCH THE SCALE OF THE REST OF THE VILLAGE EACH YEAR? COUNTLESS VISITORS IN YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE DRAWN TO THE WATERFRONT FOR CONCERTS, ART SHOWS, FAMILY PICNICS AND SWIMMING ARE JUST TO SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA.
THERE ARE FOUR MAJOR PORTS OF ENTRY TO THE COMMERCIAL, UM, AREA, WATER STREET, EAST AND WEST BUCKNER STREET AND BALLARD STREET.
ARGUABLY BALLARD MAY BE THE MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED.
MY PROPERTY BORDERS BALLARD AND REPEATEDLY I OBSERVE THE EXCITEMENT OF VISITORS AS THEY SEE THE RIVER DIRECTLY AHEAD.
THERE'S AN ALMOST PALPABLE SENSE OF ANTICIPATION AMONG CHILDREN AND ADULTS ALIKE.
THEY'VE COME TO SEE THE RIVER, NOT THE BLOCK OF A COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SAID THE NEW BUILDING SHOULD NOT IMPACT VIEWS FROM ANY, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE.
THE GUIDELINES STATE THE NEW BUILDING SHOULD NOT IMPACT VIEWS FROM ANY SIGNIFICANT AREA.
HOW CAN A BUILDING THAT'S MORE THAN TWICE THE SIZE NOT NOT IMPACT THE AREA? I'VE HEARD THE COMMENT.
WELL, THE TREES HAVE GROWN UP.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE RIVER FROM BALLARD STREET ANYWAY FROM AS YOU COME DOWN MAIN STREET TREES CAN BE PRUNED, BUT A TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING IS THERE TO STAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO I CAN GET THIS NAME'S RICHARD, IS IT TAN WATER? TAN WATER TAN VOTER? SOMEBODY GETTING ANYWHERE CLOSE.
OKAY, GET THAT MIDDLE PART MR. TANNER.
IT'S RICHARD TANNER, 2 0 5, SIR JOHN WAY.
AND I'D LIKE JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE AND COMMENT ABOUT THE PROPOSED DOCK MASTERS BUILDING.
IN MY OPINION, THE BUILDING'S LONG OVERDUE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS HELPS TO COORDINATE MARKETS, CONCERTS, EVENTS, TALL SHIPS, PRIVATE VOTERS THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO ENJOY AND LIKES TO COME DOWN TO.
JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ON THE WATERFRONT,
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UM, IS COORDINATED BY THE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS.ALRIGHT? IT MAKES YORKTOWN FUN AND IT HELPS TO GENERATE TAX DOLLARS THAT PAYS FOR THE TROLLEYS AND THE EVENTS.
WATERFRONT OPERATIONS ALSO SCHEDULES, EVENTS AT THE FREIGHT SHED AND THEY COORDINATE OUR COUNTY AMBASSADORS THAT ARE ON THE WATERFRONT.
CURRENTLY THE STAFF IS DOUBLED UP IN OFFICES ON THE HILL.
THEY NEED THE SPACE DESPERATELY.
I THINK THEY HAVE ABOUT 386 SQUARE FEET.
THEY NEED, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 1800.
UM, IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO MOVE WATERFRONT OPERATIONS DOWN TO THE SHORE.
THEY WOULD BE IN A PLACE THAT IS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PATRONS AND THE BUSINESSES THEY SERVE.
NOW IT'S FOR THE BATHROOMS. THE BATHROOMS RIGHT NOW ARE NOT CURRENTLY WINTERIZED.
EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A LIGHTER OF BOAT PARADE, WHICH WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PATRONS COME DOWN AND ATTEND.
RIGHT NOW, THOSE BATHROOMS CLOSED IN NOVEMBER THE FIRST AND DON'T OPEN UNTIL APRIL THE FIRST.
SO WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PATRONS DOWN THE WATERFRONT.
THEY HAVE NOWHERE, NO FACILITIES TO USE.
SO THEY'RE HAVING TO COME TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES TO TRY TO COME IN JUST TO REALLY FILL A HUMAN NEED.
AND IT DOES PUT SOME STRAIN ON THE BUSINESSES AND THE WATERFRONT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL 'EM NO, BUT IT ALSO GETS IN THE WAY OF PATRONS.
AND THE EVENT SHOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FACILITIES TO GO ALONG WITH THE NUMBER OF PATRONS WITHIN REASON.
PLEASE PASS THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
IT WILL SERVE A VITAL NEED AT THE WATERFRONT.
OKAY, HANG ON JUST A SECOND FOLKS.
I GOTTA MAKE SURE I'M NOT REPEATING MYSELF HERE.
UH, DARLA KSKY, HAVE YOU, YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE TONIGHT AND I APOLOGIZE WE LOST YOUR SHEET.
UH, MY NAME IS DARLA KKI, RETIRED US NAVY.
I LIVE ON ONE 12 CHURCH STRAIGHT IN YORKTOWN, AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, YOU PROBABLY, UM, KNOW SOME OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRITING TO YOU QUITE FREQUENTLY.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THREE SUBJECTS TONIGHT.
SOME MAY OVERLAP AND SOME YOU MAY NOT HAVE READ ABOUT.
UM, ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT I CANNOT SEEM TO GET MY HEAD AROUND AND CAN'T GET A DIRECT ANSWER FROM IS DEFINING THE SUCCESS OF THE TRIAL PERIOD.
UM, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING THE INITIAL TRIAL PHASE? WHAT AND WHO WILL BE DETERMINING THE SUCCESS? UM, I'VE HEARD SOMETHING STATED THAT JUST BAFFLES ME THAT THE SUCCESS IS THAT THE CITIZENS ARE FRIENDLY, WELCOMING TO THE VISITORS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S SAYING, BUT, UM, AND THAT THE VISITORS FEEL WELCOME.
WELL, I'VE WORKED WITH OTHER
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S SAYING BEHIND ME.
SO
AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING SOME DEEP DIVING AND SENDING YOU ALL SORTS OF WEBSITES.
UM, THAT, SO NO ONE HAS STATED WHO IS GOING TO EVALUATE.
I'VE WORKED WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES LIKE THE UNITED WAY AND GRANT WRITING WHERE THERE IS VERY DISTINCT, UM, CRITERIA AND PARAMETERS OF HOW YOU EVALUATE WHEN YOU GIVE MONEY.
SO JUST, UM, THAT IS ONE AREA.
THAT'S MY FIRST TOPIC, IS WHO IS, WHO IS DEFINING THAT? I HAVE TALKED WITH SOME ONE, A COUNTY OFFICIAL ABOUT IT AND
UM, THAT'S ALWAYS VERY ALARMING WHEN I GET A PREGNANT PAUSE.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU ONE, I WILL BE PROTESTING.
SO THAT'S NOT VERY FRIENDLY, BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS.
NOW, THE SECOND ONE, I ONLY HAVE ONE MINUTE.
THE SECOND ONE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS A PERSONAL, UM, FIRSTHAND INFORMATION.
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OKAY.FIRSTHAND, NOT SECONDHAND, NOT RESEARCH.
I WORKED FOR 10 YEARS AS A VOLUNTEER WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM.
I NO LONGER ASSOCIATE WITH THEM.
AND THERE ARE REASONS, AND I HAVE BEEN WRITING TO YOU TO TELL YOU THAT THERE'S SOME SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU PRIVATELY AND NOT PUBLICLY.
THAT I TAUGHT AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WITH THE PRESERVATION DIRECTOR AT ANNAPOLIS, WITH MICHAEL STE, WITH THE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS, WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN, WITH THE CAMPS, AND ALL AROUND ABOUT THE WATERSHED.
I KNOW AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF THIS WATERSHED AND THIS WHOLE ECOSYSTEM.
AND THIS IS FIRSTHAND INFORMATION.
SO I'M VERY, VERY ALARMED THAT THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM IS NOT UPHOLDING THEIR MISSION STATEMENT.
I NO LONGER SPEAK TO SOME OF THEM.
THAT'S HOW UPSET I AM WITH THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
IT, IT GOES TOTALLY AGAINST WHAT WE WERE TEACHING.
UM, THE THIRD ONE, IF I HAVE A MINUTE, MAY I, MAY I GO AHEAD.
WE HAVE 30 SECONDS MORE ONLY BECAUSE I HAD ANOTHER PERSON TRYING TO TELL ME TO BACK UP OR SOMETHING.
UM, THE PRINCESS HAS A LONG HISTORY OF SERIOUS VIOLATIONS, WHICH I NEVER REALLY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY HOLD THE RECORD OF SEVEN FELONIES.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TWO FELONIES, THREE FELONIES.
THERE'S ACTUALLY SEVEN FELONIES AGAINST THEM.
SEVEN, I KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR EMAILS.
UM, UH, FOR DELIBERATE VARIOUS ACTS OF POLLUTION AND FAILURE TO MEET PROBATION REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THIS LIST IS EVEN LONGER BEYOND THAT ISSUE.
UM, THE PRINCESS IS ALREADY DOCKING IN NORFOLK AS A, AS A PORT OF CALL.
SO BRINGING THEM UP THE RIVER SCREAMS SIMPLY ECONOMIC MOTIVATIONS, UH, WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN PUBLIC VERSUS BENEFITING THE GREATER CIVIC GOALS OF HEALTHY PRESERVATION.
AND I'LL BE WRITING YOU MORE
THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? OH, YOU WANNA KNOW MY NAME? UH, DARLA KRESKY.
OKAY, SO WHAT WE GOT THERE? THAT WAS 22.
DID YOU, BARBARA? WHO'S BARBARA? LUCK.
DID YOU TALK? YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED, HAVEN'T YOU? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S GETTING THINGS GET MESSED UP.
HAND IT TO ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS AND WELCOME.
DO I LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU? YES YOU DO.
IS THAT WHY YOU THINK I'VE TALKED? SHE SPEAK BEFORE BARBARA LUCK.
YOU CLAIM TO KNOW NOTHING OR TO KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT PRINCESS CRUISE.
THOSE PHRASES ARE QUOTES FROM YOUR OWN SESSIONS.
BUT THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUMS ARE NOT THE ONLY PARTY RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING US TO THIS POINT.
YOU PARTICIPATED FROM THE START REQUESTING MILLIONS IN TAXPAYER MONEY TO FACILITATE THE VENTURE.
YOUR CLAIMS OF IGNORANCE WERE TANTAMOUNT TO ADMITTING DERELICTION OF DUTY.
WERE THEY NOT MANY OF YOU AND SOME OF THE CONTENDERS FOR YOUR SEATS ON THE BOARD PROFESS A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE.
VOWING TO LET THE PENDING ONE TO TWO YEAR PILOT PROGRAM PLAY OUT AS GROUNDS FOR IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
BUT HOW CAN THE PILOT PROVIDE A FAIR ASSESSMENT AND HOW CAN IT ACCURATELY REVEAL WHAT LIES AHEAD? THE ISLAND PRINCESS WILL ONLY BE HERE FOR THREE OUT OF 365 DAYS DURING THE PILOT BESIDES PASSENGERS.
THE SHEER NOVELTY OF THESE FIRST VISITS WILL ATTRACT A NUMBER OF LOCALS, BUT THE NOVELTY WILL WEAR OFF.
AND WHAT WILL THAT LEAVE IT IN ITS WAKE? THE INNOCENT LOOKING PILOT IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF A TYPICAL CRUISE LINE'S PREDATORY PRACTICES.
WE'VE TALKED TO RESIDENTS OF SEATTLE, JUNO, SITKA, BAR HARBOR, KEY WEST, AND MANY OTHER SITES WHO DESCRIBE THE COLONIZING THAT CRUISE LINES TYPICALLY WORK UP TO FUNNELING PASSENGERS TO THEIR SALES OUTLETS, NOT THE COUNTIES IMPLEMENTING MERCHANT CRUISE LINE ARRANGEMENTS THAT AMOUNT TO KICKBACKS BUYING UP LOCAL REAL ESTATE, AND WORST OF ALL, RAMPING UP NUMBERS
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AND LENGTHS OF VISITS.ONCE IT'S TOO LATE, YOU'LL REALIZE YOU'VE HANDED PRINCESS CONTROL OF THE TOWN ON THE SILVER PLATTER.
OKAY, DELILAH JOHNSON, WELCOME.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS DALILA JOHNSON, 1 0 4 SHERWOOD TRACE.
I AM RUNNING FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DISTRICT TWO.
IF YOU LIVE IN COVENTRY CONCRETE, I'M ESPECIALLY TALKING TO YOU TONIGHT.
I'M RUNNING BECAUSE FOR A VERY LONG TIME THAT YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE NOT HAD A FRESH VOICE.
SOMEONE WHO'S EXPERIENCING THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE IN THE DISTRICT.
I'M A UNITED STATES NAVY VETERAN, A CURRENT MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER AND A PARENT.
I'M HERE TODAY AS I HAVE OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NOT ALWAYS REPRESENTATIVES.
I'M HERE HUMBLY ASKING EVERYONE FOR THEIR VOTE AND TO REMIND THEM THAT EARLY VOTING STARTS FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND TO NOVEMBER 7TH.
TODAY, WE ARE ALL VERY AWARE THAT PRINCESS CRUZ STOP WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE JUST THE PILOT PROGRAM.
THIS BOARD APPEARS TO ACT AS A RUBBER STAMP TO EVERY DEVELOPER BUILDER, AND NOW A CREW, C E O, WHO CAN MAKE A PROMISE WITHOUT DUE DILIGENCE OR SENSE OF OUR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE MUST HAVE A CODE OF ETHICS.
BUT I REGRESS TONIGHT THIS BOARD WILL ROCHE AGAIN TO APPROVE A DOCK MASTER BUILDING FOR WHICH MANY BUILDING HOSTS EXCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION OR CLARIFICATION.
AS MS. WILKINS DETAIL, AS MANY OF US UNDERSTAND, THIS DOCK MASTER WILL SERVE AS THE FINAL TOUCHES TO THE PRINCESS CRUISE BECAUSE ON THIS BUILDING, THIS BOARD WILL HAVE FULL JURISDICTION AS IT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE GEORGETOWN BEACH AND THE BUSES THAT WILL THEN TRANSPORT THEM TO THE WILLIAMSBURG.
WHERE IF THERE'S ANY FINANCIAL GAIN THAT WILL HAPPEN THERE, NOT IN THE YOURTOWN BEACH, WILL WILL IN A STEP, IN A SHORT TIME, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL FALLOUT OF A CRUISE LINE.
THAT HAS NEVER BEEN A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR LIMITED RESOURCES.
SO I'M ASKING THIS BOARD TO PAUSE THE APPROVAL OF THE DO DOCK MASTER BUILDING AND WAIT FOR UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD, WHETHER I'M THERE OR NOT, TO GET ELECTED AND SEATED.
AND A NEW YORK COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DEVELOPED WITH FACTUAL AND CURRENT FIGURES AND IS DONE AND APPROVED.
OKAY, THE LAST SPEAKER I HAVE SIGNED UP IS, UH, MARGARET, UH, MIK NEIL.
NOW I PRONOUNCE THE NAME RIGHT,
THANK YOU MR. UH, SHEP CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD AND FELLOW AND LADY SUPERVISORS.
I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE TONIGHT.
I AM SUFFERING A LITTLE BIT FROM ALLERGIES.
I'M HERE TONIGHT, UM, TO MAKE A CITIZEN'S COMMENT, TO TALK ABOUT THE DOC MASTERS BUILDING AND JUST MY EXPERIENCE BEING HERE AS A RESIDENCE, UM, FOR NOW ALMOST ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SAY MY ADDRESS.
1, 2, 2 KISKI, WATCH YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
UM, I HAVE REALLY THOROUGHLY ENJOYED LIVING HERE.
I'VE ENJOYED THE BEACHES, I'VE ENJOYED THE MUSEUMS. I'VE ENJOYED THE RESTAURANTS.
I'VE ENJOYED THE HISTORY, EVERYTHING THAT IT ALL IS AFFORDED TO OFFER IN MY VERY SHORT TIME.
WHILE I MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH LENGTH AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE HERE, I HAVE SEEN MANY IMPROVEMENTS MADE LONGEVITY DONE, WHETHER IT'S THE CONCERTS, THE VENUES, THE SYMPHONIES, THE RESTAURANTS, THE OFFERINGS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS HERE.
AND BOTH MY SON AND I HAVE BEEN VERY GRATEFUL.
UM, I ALSO COME HERE TONIGHT, HONESTLY, TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY, I'M NOT HERE FOR A MULTITUDE OF POLITICAL VENUES, BUT SPECIFICALLY IT SPEAKS TO THE DOCK MASTERS BUILDING.
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THREE YEARS AGO, MY OLDER DAUGHTER IS GETTING MARRIED, UM, AT YORKTOWN, AT THE WATERFRONT.AT THAT TIME, MY MOTHER COULD NOT COME VISIT US BECAUSE THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY FACILITIES THAT WE COULD HOST HAVING HER HERE THAT WOULD'VE HAD AN A D A ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, OR AS TIME HAS PASSED MY DAUGHTER'S WEDDING THAT'S COMING UP, HER FIANCE'S MOTHER HAS NOW PASSED TOO, WHO ALSO WOULD'VE NEEDED THAT ACCESS.
SO I HAVE LOOKED AT THE DESIGNS WHICH LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE BUILDINGS, UM, THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE AREA, BOTH YOUR CALL THAT WE'RE STANDING IN HERE TONIGHT, AS WELL AS THE FREIGHT SHED.
I DON'T HAVE OPINIONS TO COMMENT ON AS FAR AS THE PRINCESS CRUISE SHIPS, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY THAT AS A RESIDENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IS MONOCRATIC THAT IS BEING SPOKEN TONIGHT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION THAT MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT FOR FEAR OF BEING SHUNNED OR OSTRACIZED IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES, SPECIFICALLY, AS SMALL AS IT IS, MAY NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
THAT WAS THE LAST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK BEFORE WE CLOSE IT DOWN? COME FORWARD PLEASE.
WELL, LET'S FORM A LINE THERE AND YOU GUYS JUST GO ONE AFTER THE OTHER.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, SIR, YOU CAN COME FORWARD OVER, GET STAND BEHIND HER THREE, FOUR FEET OR SOMETHING.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? YOU ONLY GET TO SPEAK ONCE TONIGHT, SO, OKAY.
MY NAME IS, UH, MEREDITH EDLO.
I'M FROM PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA.
I LIVE AT 1 3 0 2 B V A STREET.
AND, UH, I'M JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE IN RIVERWALK TOWNS.
AND THESE ARE MY PARENTS, CAROL AND ARTHUR EDLO, WHO ALSO LIVE AT OR LIVE AT 1 0 3 HILL CIRCLE.
UM, I LOVE COMING TO YORKTOWN TO COME VISIT.
SHOUT OUT TO, UH, THE YOUTH COMMISSION AND, UH, PEOPLE IN NEW YORK HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR YOU TO LEAVE YOUR HOME AND GO TO WORK EVERY DAY, BUT I KNOW WHEN THE PEOPLE OF THE RIVERWALK TOWNS GO TO WORK EVERY DAY OR GO TO VISIT OR HAVE GUESTS IN IT IS TERRIFYING, TERRIFYING LEAVING THAT SUBDIVISION TO GO ANYWHERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD IN ROUTE 2 38.
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO DIE WHEN YOU DRIVE OUT AND LEAVE YOUR HOUSE.
IT IS AN ANXIETY THAT I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE.
WHEN I WALKED AROUND AND COLLECTED SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION THAT A LOT OF THE VERY BUSY RESIDENTS OF THE RIVERWALK TOWNS DID THIS PAST WEEK AFTER A VERY TRAGIC ACCIDENT, SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023, I APPEALED TO YOU ALL TO PLEASE DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION A LITTLE BIT SAFER.
SO THE CHILDREN THAT RIDE ON THE BUSES FROM PUBLIC SCHOOL TO PRIVATE SCHOOL GET A CHANCE TO LIVE IN A LESS, UM, AN ANXIOUS AREA AND HAVE A VERY GOOD, THRIVING, PRODUCTIVE LIFE.
LARRY FUL 1 1 4 CHURCH STREET.
NUMBER ONE, UM, I DIDN'T PLAN TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE GOT CRUISE LINES ON STUFF MORE IMPORTANT.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HELP THEM OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT INTERSECTION.
I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT THE DOCK MASTERS BUILDING AND THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IN THE PAST, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE NOT RELATED.
I FEEL LIKE THE REQUIREMENTS, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IS BEYOND WHAT YOU NEED FOR BATHROOMS AND DOCK MASTERS.
BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, PART OF THE REASON YOU'RE HEARING THESE COMMENTS ABOUT CONNECTING THE TWO IS YOU HAVEN'T BEEN UPFRONT WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I STILL DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE BEING HONEST WITH US ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON.
THAT ASIDE, THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO REDUCE THEM OR GET RID OF 'EM AND STUFF, I SEE SOME SMILES AND ALL THAT.
THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF TO THOSE OF US THAT LIVE HERE.
WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING FUNNY ABOUT IT.
I'M NOT GETTING ON YOU ABOUT BEING FUNNY.
IT, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW IT'S A SERIOUS MATTER FOR US.
AND I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE TALK TO PEOPLE AT THESE OTHER LOCATIONS.
THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM THAT ARE SUFFERING FROM BAD PROBLEMS FROM THE CRUISE SHIPS.
AND IT STARTED THE EXACT SAME WAY IT'S HAPPENING HERE.
AND I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO US.
IT HAPPENS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
INSIDIOUS COMING IN, MAKING PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND THEN PERSONAL AGREEMENTS,
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AND THEN STARTING OUT WITH PILOT PROGRAMS, WHICH AREN'T REPRESENTATIVE BECAUSE A FOUR SHIP VISIT CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT A 52 WEEK VISIT IS LIKE.THE PILOT VISIT IS SIMPLY FOR PRINCESS CRUISE LINES TO SEE HOW THEY WORK THEIR TENDERS AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT FOR THEM.
BUT PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE OTHER LOCATIONS.
THE CRUISE LINE BUSINESS IS DAMAGING TO PLACES IN THE LONG RUN.
PLEASE DON'T PUT YORK COUNTY IN THAT WORLD OF, OH MY GOSH, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE HAVE GOTTA GET RID OF THIS THING 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION SO MANY OTHER PLACES ARE SAYING NO TO THIS.
AND TAKE, TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION.
LYNN DOUGLAS, TWO 12 SMITH STREET, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.
UM, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS BOARD VOTE NO TO THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING USING THE NEW DESIGN PRESENTED BY THE COUNTY AND REJECTED BY H Y D C INSTEAD, PLEASE REQUEST THAT THE COUNTY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND CREATE A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THE BUILDING THAT INCLUDES AN A D A COMPLIANT RESTROOM, FAMILY RESTROOM, A LARGER SPACE FOR THE DOCK MASTER, AND PERHAPS A SMALL RECEPTION AREA TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION TO TOURISTS, COUNTY OFFICES AND STORAGE SPACES DO NOT BELONG ON THE WATERFRONT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY DID THE RIVER WALK LANDING DEVELOPMENT WAS, THE BATHROOMS NEXT TO THE FREIGHT SHED ARE A D A COMPLIANT? BASED ON A COUPLE COMMENTS I'VE HEARD TO NOT, I'M LED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NOT.
WHICH IS IT? ARE THEY A D A COMPLIANT OR NOT? MA'AM, WE, WE DON'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S YOUR TIME.
YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE A D A COMPLIANT BATHROOMS ON THE WATERFRONT.
NEXT, UM, TERRY HUDSON, 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.
UM, FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OUR COMMENTS.
I ALSO WANNA, UM, KIND OF HIT ON, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I'D RATHER BE ON MY PORCH HAVING A GLASS OF WINE, SO IT'S NO FUN.
SO, EVERYBODY WHO SHOWED UP TONIGHT, THANK YOU FOR WHATEVER SIDE YOU'RE ON.
YOU GUYS LISTENED TO US ALL NIGHT LONG, ESPECIALLY GOING ON AND ON.
UM, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WORK SESSION THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
I WAS GLAD TO SEE YOU ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE.
UM, THERE WERE SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, UM, AND IMPROVEMENTS WERE TALKED ABOUT.
HOWEVER, IT'S A SHAME THAT THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE AN ARCHITECT AT A MEETING.
UM, MY HUSBAND WHO WROTE SOME EMAILS TO YOU AND MYSELF AS NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I THINK YOU NEEDED AN ARCHITECT IN THAT ROOM BECAUSE THINGS WERE SUGGESTED THAT JUST WEREN'T APPROPRIATE.
UM, UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE COST THAT MUCH TO HAVE, HAVE AN ARCHITECT THERE FOR A COUPLE HOURS.
IT'S ALSO A SHAME THAT THE COUNTY DIDN'T DO THIS WITH H Y D C OR THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY OVER THE LAST YEARS, OR EVEN OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
IT WOULD'VE SAVED A LOT OF TIME, FRUSTRATION, AND MONEY.
UM, WE ALL APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR A D A MORE A D A, UH, BATHROOMS. NO ONE IN THIS ROOM WOULD PROBABLY SAY, WE DON'T NEED A NEW DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S LIKE KIND OF A MUTE POINT.
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THIS ISN'T THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING.
UM, THEY, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WE COULD HAVE ACHIEVED A STRUCTURE THAT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT WAS MUCH MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR DISCUSSION, THE FREIGHT SHED IS THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT DOESN'T LOOK AS MASSIVE AND BLOCK LIKE, BECAUSE OF THE BREAK IN THE LARGE GLASS DOORS THAT ALLOW ONE TO SEE RIGHT THROUGH THE WATER.
ALSO, THE PROPOSED BUILDING FROM THE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE TWO-THIRDS ROOF, ONE THIRD BRICK RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
UM, SEVERAL BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALSO BELIEVE THIS PROPOSED BUILDING TO BE UGLY.
AND, AND, UH, BARN LIKE IN DESIGN, IT WASN'T JUST THE H Y D C OR CONSERVED CITIZENS LIKE MYSELF.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO GET THIS BUILDING DONE DURING THE OFF SEASON, BUT THESE MODIFICATIONS, UM, ARE LIKE PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG.
BUT I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THAT MUCH OF THIS HEARTACHE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE COUNTY WOULD'VE JUST LISTENED AND MADE SOME COMPROMISES WITH H Y D C AND THE MANY OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DESIGN AND SCALE OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING, JUST BY MAKING A FEW SIMPLE COMPROMISE EARLY ON, A LOT OF MONEY, TIME, AND ENERGY COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
UM, SO, UH, I MEANT TO SAY AT THE BEGINNING, THE, THE THEME OF MY TALK WAS GO BIG OR GO HOME.
IT SEEMS TO BE THE NEW THEME OF YORK COUNTY, BIG DOCK MASTER BUILDING, BIG CRUISE SHIPS.
AND I'M JUST SAYING NO TO CRUISE SHIPS.
PLEASE LISTEN TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT WAS STATED, EDUCATE YOURSELVES ON IT.
UH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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YOU MA'AM.DAVID O'BRIEN, 8 0 4 WORMLEY CREEK DRIVE, UH, MAR BANK, FARM NEIGHBORHOOD.
OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT A NEIGHBOR OR A, A RESIDENT OF, UM, THE VILLAGE, BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN REGARDS TO THE PRINCESS LINE AS WELL AS THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
UM, WHAT I'M SPECIFICALLY GONNA SPEAK TO IS THE PROCESS AND THE COMPLETE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN THIS ENTIRE ENDEAVOR IS MIND BOGGLING.
THE FACT THAT YOU TAKE IT UPON YOURSELVES TO MAKE A DECISION THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEST IS AN ABOMINATION OF YOUR DUTIES.
AND I, I CAN'T EXPRESS MY DISPLEASURE ENOUGH IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC INPUT TO THIS PROCESS.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS PILOT PROJECT AND WE'RE GONNA JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE DECIDED FOR A COUNTY AS GREAT AS YORK.
I ASK THAT YOU TAKE THIS UNDER DUE CONSIDERATION WHEN THERE IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE HEARD.
THAT'S WHAT I ASKED THIS EVENING.
ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? OKAY, I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, THANKS TO EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP, UH, TO TALK.
UM, NEXT WE'LL HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS.
ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? OKAY.
[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]
HAVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORTS REQUESTS, UM, AS BOARD KNOWS, UM, STAFF HAS BEEN INVOLVED SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE LAST PHASE OF OUR NEW FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING SYSTEM.
UM, THIS IS THE TAX AND UTILITY BILLING MODULE.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS WORKING, UH, NIGHT AND DAY FOR THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS ON THAT.
UM, WITH THE COMPLETION OF THIS PHASE, UM, THE OLD, THE 40 YEAR OLD I B M MAINFRAME, AFTER THE NEXT AUDIT WILL BE TURNED OFF AND WILL, OUR ENTIRE FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING SYSTEM WILL BE ON A WEB ENABLED, UH, MODERN BASIS.
SO I WANNA THANK THE BOARD FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS STAFF FOR THEIR WORK.
AND IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO, BUT IT WAS A, A MAJOR, MAJOR UNDERTAKING.
AND, AND THE LAST ELEMENTS OF IT ARE, ARE COMING TOGETHER THIS FALL.
UM, VDOT IS CURRENTLY, UH, PAVING, UH, THE PORTION OF YORKTOWN ROAD BETWEEN VICTORY BOULEVARD AND, UH, THE HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
AND, UH, THEY RAN INTO THEIR CONTRACTOR, UH, BASICALLY WAS VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE SCHOOLS.
THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS RIGHT ALONG THAT PART OF YORKTOWN ROAD.
AND SO WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS IN VDOT WORRIES, UH, I AUTHORIZED, UM, NIGHT PAVING BEGINNING TOMORROW NIGHT.
IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT DISRUPTIVE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT ALONG THAT PART OF YORKTOWN ROAD.
IT'LL JUST TAKE A FEW DAYS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL TO TRY TO PAVE IT DURING THE DAY WITH THE SCHOOL.
UH, EVERYBODY COMING AND GOING FROM THE SCHOOLS.
AND, UM, ALTHOUGH I MIGHT ANTICIPATE SOME BOARD QUESTIONS RELATED TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE SPOKEN TO, I'LL, UH, FOR NOW, I'LL, I'LL STOP WITH THOSE TWO ITEMS. OKAY.
MR. MORGAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT AUTHORIZED NIGHTTIME PAVING.
WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? UH, WELL, UH, WHAT IT MEANS IS TYPICALLY UNDER OUR RULES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO CONSTRUCTION WORK BETWEEN SEVEN IN THE MORNING AND I THINK IT'S SEVEN AT NIGHT.
UM, SO I WAIVE THAT SO THAT THE PAVING CONTRACTOR ON YORKTOWN ROAD CAN WORK ALL NIGHT THIS WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, AND FRIDAY NIGHT.
WILL IT COST US MORE MONEY? UM, NO V DOT'S PAYING FOR IT.
WHICH KIND OF GETS INTO SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT ABOUT COUNTY VERSUS VDOT AND I'LL, AND I'LL BRING THOSE UP IN MATTERS PRESENTED.
OKAY, SHEILA, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND SHARING YOUR VIEWS WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT YOU SEEM TO HAVE WITH TRANSPARENCY, BUT BE ADVISED THAT WE ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE CAN BE WITH YOU, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
NOT EVERY ISSUE IS AS TRANSPARENT AS OTHERS, BUT WHEN WE CAN BE TRANSPARENT, THAT IS OUR AIM.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR AIM AND TO BE TOLD THAT WE, THAT IS NOT OUR AIM AND THAT WE DON'T DO IT.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT'S A LITTLE UPSETTING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE GET HOT UNDER THE COLLAR ON CERTAIN ISSUES, AND THAT'S QUITE UNDERSTANDABLE.
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BUT TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE IN THE FUTURE.TRY TO LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, NOT JUST THE MICRO SIZE PICTURE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE BY CITIZENS IN THE PAST, WE BUILD UPON THAT AND WE TRY TO PROVIDE FOR THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE YOUR COUNTY'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.
WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT WE TRY TO PROTECT, WHETHER IT BE OUR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
WE SPEND OUR TIME TRYING TO DO FOR YOU ALL TO, SO THAT YOU CAN ENJOY THE LIFE THAT YOU HAVE WITHOUT WORRY.
AND I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT THEY, IN RETROSPECT WOULD PREFER THEY HAD NOT SAID, BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE ALL UNDERSTAND AND WE'RE ALL HUMAN.
AND I'M JUST DELIGHTED THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO COME AND SHARE YOUR VIEWS WITH US.
SO I RECENTLY, WELL, IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS I'VE BEEN, UM, INVESTING QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON SOME ISSUES THAT NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN HAVING AROUND THE, AROUND THE COMMUNITIES REGARDING, UM, FLOODING AND SO FORTH, ALONG THE ROADWAYS, ALONG THEIR BACKYARDS AND THEIR PROPERTIES AND SO FORTH.
AND WORKING WITH VDOT ON THOSE ISSUES.
VDOT COULD BE A POPULAR TOPIC TONIGHT.
UM, SO BEEN HITTING THEM ONE ON ONE BY ONE AS BEST I CAN.
WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS, WORKING WITH VDOT, TRYING TO PRIORITIZE AND REP REPRIORITIZE THE THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING INTO.
UM, LEARNED A LOT, LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THEIR PROCESS OVER TIME.
UH, MOST RECENTLY I LEARNED, UM, THEY HAVE WORK ORDERS THAT GO BACK AS TOO FAR, AS FAR AS 2018 THAT ARE STILL ON THEIR DOCKET THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CONSTANT REPRIORITIZATION OF FLOODING ISSUES THAT THEY'RE JUMPING AROUND FROM PLACES TO PLACE, TAKE, TAKE CARE OF.
BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT ANYBODY CAN REPORT A PROBLEM IN THE VDOT DIRECTLY.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO VIRGINIA DOT.ORG AT THE TOP OF THAT PAGE, CLICK ON REPORT A ROW PROBLEM, AND RIGHT THERE YOU CAN TELL THEM DIRECTLY WHERE YOU'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH.
AND THEN YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME OR ANYBODY ELSE OF YOUR, UM, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BOARD MEMBERS AND GET THEM TO ADVOCATE FOR YOU AS WELL.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN DOING THAT QUITE OFTEN AND HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE V LOCAL VDOT FOLKS.
AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, KIND OF REPRIORITIZE SOME OF THE WORK.
SO IF YOU'RE SEEING PROBLEMS, DON'T LET IT FESTER.
UH, ENTER THAT WORK ORDER, REACH OUT TO US, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN HELP FIGURE OUT AND GET IT ADDRESSED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
'CAUSE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE HAVING SOME REAL PROBLEMS WITH, WITH FLOODING, AND IT'S ALSO DANGER ON THE ROADWAY WHEN YOU HAVE STANDING WATER TWO, THREE INCHES DEEP AFTER SOME OF THESE HEAVY RAINS.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS THEM AS BEST WE CAN.
LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP, AND WE'RE GONNA ENGAGE AS BEST WE CAN.
IF YOU'RE POINTING TO ME, YES, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
UH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD NOW FOR 28 YEARS.
I THINK MRS. NOEL HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD AS LONG AS I HAVE OR ASSUME WE'LL BE.
UH, AND I, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME WHEN, WHEN POLITICIANS TALK, UH, YOU HEAR, LISTEN TO DISCUSSIONS IN CONGRESS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU HEAR WORDS HAVE MEANING.
AND TONIGHT AS I LISTENED TO HER, UH, SHE USED A WORD, O U R POSITION, OUR POSITION, OUR POSITION.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CORRECT MY COLLEAGUE HERE ON THE BOARD THAT WHEN SHE SPEAKS, SHE SPEAKS FOR HERSELF UNLESS SHE CAN IDENTIFY NAMES OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO SPEAK FOR HER.
BUT SHE USED THE WORD, OH, YOU ARE A BIT TOO MUCH.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU I'VE GOT MY OWN OPINION ON THINGS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE DOCK MASTER'S BUILDING, OKAY? I'M THE ONE AFTER A FAIRLY HEATED DISCUSSION LAST TIME WE WERE OUT TO MOVE THIS BOARD TO TABLE IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT, AS MANY OF YOU DID THAT, THE SIZE OF THAT, THAT BUILDING WAS WAY OVERSIZED COMPARED TO WHERE IT WAS SETTING.
AND I THOUGHT WHEN WE CAME OUTTA THAT MEETING, THAT THERE WOULD BE A MEANINGFUL, UH, DISCUSSION, BRINGING IN THE ARCHITECT, SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO DOWNSIZE WHAT WE ALL BECAME FAMILIAR WITH.
NOW, I GOTTA ADMIT AND CONFESS, AS I JUST ASKED THE, UM, THE, THE ADMINISTRATOR A FEW MINUTES AGO, HE SAYS, NEIL, WHEN ARE WE GONNA HAVE THAT MEETING? HE SAYS, WE HAD IT.
I SAID, WAS I THERE? HE SAID, YEAH, WELL, WHATEVER THE MEETING ISSUE WAS, IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
AND I, I, I DON'T THINK TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE VOTING ON ANYTHING, BUT BASICALLY THE SAME BUILDING WAS SOME, UH, WINDOW DRESSING CHANGES TO IT.
BUT AGAIN, SHE'LL LET ME SAY THAT LOVINGLY, BUT WATCH THE WORDS THAT YOU USE, PLEASE.
[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]
TO CONFUSE ANYBODY, BUT WE WERE DOING, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS AND REQUESTS.SO NOW YOU GUYS HAVE JUST DONE THE
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MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO THESE TWO.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, UH, AND THIS IS MY, UH, MY COMMENTARY.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S GOING ON ON GOOSE LEE ROAD ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD.
I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE ED LOWS AND, UH, ONE OTHER RESIDENT.
I FORWARDED THAT TO OUR VDOT ADMINISTRATOR, UH, MR. CARROLL, WHO'S ALREADY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
UH, WE DO NOT OWN THE ROADS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IT IS A PROCESS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE BALL ROLLING.
AND, UH, WE'LL TRY TO GET A FAVORABLE RESOLUTION.
I DROVE THROUGH THERE THIS, UH, AFTERNOON.
I THOROUGHLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S, UH, THE SPEED'S TOO HIGH.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A, UH, SOME TRAFFIC CALMING, UH, MEASURES THERE.
NOW, SAYING THAT AT MR. ZUMBA'S OFFICE THERE ON BULL FONTS, HIS TRAFFIC LIGHT TOOK ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET IN.
UH, AND HE COULD PROBABLY, UH, THREE YEARS, UH, AS, AS I JUST WAS REMINDED.
BUT, SO THESE, UH, THINGS TAKE TIME, UH, WORKING WITH VDO T'S NEVER AN EASY PROCESS.
SOMETHING I HOPE TO ADDRESS, UH, HERE IN JANUARY UP IN RICHMOND.
AND THE BALL IS ALREADY ROLLING, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE, UH, WITH THIS, WITH THE ADMINISTRATOR AT VDOT.
AND MR. MORGAN, IF YOU COULD STAY ON TOP OF THAT AND, UH, GIVE THE BOARD, UH, UPDATED REPORTS.
OKAY, SHEILA, YOU GET A, I ALREADY SPOKE.
I, WELL, I MEAN YOU, THOSE MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD, THAT WAS MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION.
BUT I WILL, I WILL BE HAPPY TO SAY SOME MORE.
DON'T, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT EARLY VOTING STARTS THIS FRIDAY.
I'VE BEEN ASKED BY PEOPLE, WELL, WHY DO WE HAVE EARLY VOTING? AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IT'S BECAUSE YOUR VOTE IS SO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
AND WE WANT AS MANY PEOPLE TO TAKE PART OF THE PROCESS AS THEY CAN.
SO COME NOVEMBER 7TH, IF IT'S POURING RAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND IN THE RAIN IF YOU VOTED EARLY.
SO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND YOU COULD GO ONLINE AND FIND THE ACTUAL HOURS.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S WEEKDAYS, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT.
THERE ARE TWO SATURDAYS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT JUST REMEMBER WHAT A WONDERFUL PRIVILEGE IT IS TO BE ABLE TO VOTE.
UM, YEAH, ON THE INTERSECTION AT GUZZLE NICK ROAD, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU HOW THIS WORKS.
AND, AND MS. UH, CHAD ARE, IT'S COVERED, UH, A PART OF IT.
WHAT THE BOARD? YEAH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOUR COUNTY.
OKAY? AND THEN THE, AND THE, UH, VDOT ADMINISTRATOR UP IN, UH, UH, WILLIAMSBURG ACTUALLY, UH, WE MAKE A REQUEST, UH, WHATEVER CONSIDERATION THROUGH VARIOUS PROGRAMS. THEN THE ADMINISTRATOR TAKES IT, HIS TAKES THESE PILES OF REQUESTS.
IT'LL INCLUDE JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG, UH, MAYBE SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE, UH, THE PENINSULA.
AND, UH, THEN HE WILL, WE GET AN ECHO HERE.
ANYWAY, WHAT WHAT HE'LL DO IS HE'LL GO TO A LARGER MEETING FOR THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
I KNOW, HEY, NEIL, GO BACK THERE AND TELL HIM TO GET THE, UH, THE SPEAKER IN A CONTROL.
UH, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THERE IS COMPETITION.
UH, THEY HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND BECAUSE IT'S ALL VDOT MONEY, IT'S ALL STATE MONEY.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S LITTLE REVENUE SHARING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE SOUND, UH, SOUND SYSTEM.
BUT ANYWAY, IN THIS COMPETITION, THEN THEY COMPETE OUR PROJECTS, GOOSENECK ROAD PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAINST ALL THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THEN IN THE STATE, THEY TAKE THOSE PROJECTS AND THEY COMPETE 'EM AGAINST ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE STATE.
A LOT OF TIMES IT TAKES YEARS AND THEY'LL PUT A LITTLE MONEY HERE, A LITTLE MONEY THERE, AND FINALLY GET THINGS DONE.
HOWEVER, WHEN THEY BECOME REALLY, REALLY DANGEROUS, AS YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, IMPLIED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT SOMETIMES WE CAN KIND OF GET THAT BUMPED UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THROUGH PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND TALKING TO THE, TALKING TO VARIOUS, UH, MEMBERS OF VDOT, UH, 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, IT'S A STAFF AND THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF, SOMETIMES THEY'LL LISTEN TO WHOEVER THEY CAN TRUST.
AND THEN WHAT'LL HAPPEN, UM, IS THAT THINGS CAN BE SPED, SPED UP A LITTLE BIT, OKAY? SO, UH, WHAT YOU'VE RAISED IS TONIGHT'S FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THIS, ALRIGHT? AND, UH, ABOUT THIS DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
SO I HAVE TO DEAL WITH MY DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 17 AND VICTORY BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED THE MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTION IN THE COUNTY.
UM, AND SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THIS.
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SUPERVISORS WILL MAKE A CALL AND GET, GET FEED DOTS ATTENTION.SO SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN, BUT IT MAY TAKE, IT MAY TAKE A WHILE, OKAY? AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COM TRAFFIC CALMING.
UH, YOU GUYS GAVE US A FEW SUGGESTIONS, AND MOST OF 'EM ARE, UH, WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT, AND THEY'VE INCORPORATED INTO A PROGRAM.
CALMING INVOLVES SPEED BUMPS AND CR CHOKING DOWN ROADS.
AND ALL THIS THING, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT STOP SIGNS ARE GONNA CAUSE PEOPLE, OR THE STOP OR SPEED LIMITS ARE GONNA CAUSE SIGNS, IT'S GONNA CAUSE PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN.
OKAY? SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE NOTES, UH, THAT I, I'VE TAKING NOTES AS FAST AS I COULD ON, ON GREAT COMMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING THEM BEFORE AND I GOT THE COMMENTS FROM, UH, I DON'T, I HAVE A STACK OF 'EM UP HERE.
AND, UM, I'LL GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT, UH, LAST TALKED ABOUT COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
I HAVE CL TRIED TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR TO YOU, TELL YOU EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT IT, AND YOU GO, WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH.
WE KNOW AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE AROUND HERE.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT CRUISE SHIP VIOLATIONS THAN I DO.
I HAVE CALLED AND TALKED TO A FEW FOLKS UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE UNITED STATES ABOUT THAT.
I MEAN, WHEN IT CALLS THE PEOPLE IN VENICE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A GREAT CASE WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY LIMITING CRUISE SHIPS NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
SO THERE ARE PROBLEMS. WE RECOGNIZE THAT PROBLEM.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT YOU TO TRULY UNDERSTAND, WE'VE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING WE KNOW, WE'VE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A BUSINESS VENTURE AND I DON'T CARE HOW YOU CUT IT.
IF I KNEW MORE ABOUT IT, I'D GUARANTEE YOU I WOULD GET IT.
BUT IT'S A BUSINESS VENTURE THAT'S INSIDE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, OKAY? AND WHOEVER THEY'RE DEALING WITH.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO IN, IN PARTS OF THIS IS PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE DOCKS.
NOW ALL THAT BEING SAID, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, IF WE WENT UP THERE AND SQUEEZED THE STATE REAL HARD, WE'D PROBABLY GET THIS TURNED OFF.
OKAY? I DON'T, NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES ANTI-BUSINESS.
AND AGAIN, IT FALLS INTO A POLITICAL ARENA.
UM, I WILL MAKE A PROMISE TO YOU NOW THAT NONE OF THE DOCKS IN YOUR COUNTY WILL BE TURNED INTO A TERMINAL, OKAY? I MEAN, I'M HEARING ALL THIS STUFF, BUT DOWN IN NORFOLK, I'VE SEEN THE DOCKS, I'VE SEEN THE DOCKS AT THE, UH, AT UH, UH, AND THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE SHIPPING, AND EVERYTHING'S DONE ON THE, UH, PORTS.
AND I'VE SEEN 'EM DOWN IN SAVANNAH.
I'VE BEEN TO BEEN TO QUITE A FEW OF THE PLACES.
CHARLESTON, UM, BOSTON, OKAY? AND ALL OF THEM HAVE THEIR DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TAKES ON THINGS.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT MANY OF THE SMALL TOWNS DO NOT LIKE TO HAVE CRUISE SHIPS IN THERE.
OKAY? THEY'VE CAUSED PROBLEMS. UM, BUT THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT WE DO.
A LOT OF FOLKS IN HERE, THE WAY YOU TALK IS AS IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ARE OMNIPOTENT.
WE CAN MAKE THESE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I WANNA KNOW, YOU BETTER WATCH RUNNING YOUR MOUTH BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET UP HERE AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO.
LEGAL LIMITS THAT, THAT WE CANNOT IMPACT PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE CANNOT JUST TAKE THE RIGHTS AWAY, LIKE DOWN ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A LIMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT'S A LIMIT TO ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
AND IN THIS STATE, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS THEM TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE THIS, UH, MAGIC WAND WHERE WE CAN DO ALL THIS STUFF.
WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND THEY'RE VERY VALID CONCERNS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, OKAY, I WANT YOU TO GET UP THERE AND VOTE AGAINST IT.
WHAT WE GOT NOTHING TO ACT ON.
THERE IS NO, RIGHT NOW, THERE HAS BEEN NO APPROACH BY PRINCESS CRUISE LINE TO COME UP AND SAY, OKAY, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO SOMETHING.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE HAVE NO ACTION BEFORE THIS GOVERNING BODY.
SO WE JUST CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SAY, STAND THERE AND DO NOTHING.
THERE'S LIMITS TO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL ALLOW US TO DO.
SO ANYWAY, YOU GOTTA, AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
I MEAN, I, I GET REAL, ALL OF US ARE VERY FRUSTRATED UP HERE.
WE HEAR THESE COMMENTS ABOUT, OH, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU GUYS ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
IT'S NOTHING ABOUT ALLOWING TO HAPPEN.
THIS IS WHAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ALLOWS THE BUSINESSES TO OPERATE IN THE STATE.
YOU KNOW, FRACKING, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT THAT'S UP THERE WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, OKAY? AND THERE ALSO HAVE THINGS THAT DEAL WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, INTERSTATE COMMERCE, THESE, ALL THESE LAWS THAT, UH, THAT AFFECT US.
AND IF ANYBODY TELLS YOU OTHERWISE, THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT? I'M JUST FLAT TELLING YOU.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING HERE THAT'S GONNA DAMAGE THIS COUNTY AND, AND SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG BOW WAVE OF BOATS COMING IN HERE.
THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST PHYSICALLY,
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THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO.OKAY? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRIAL'S GOING TO BE LIKE.
I KNOW THEY WANT, THEY TALKED ABOUT A TRIAL THAT WAS JOHN PAGEANT TALKING TO AT LEAST TWO SUPERVISORS AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND DO THIS TRIAL.
OKAY? AND IT'S THREE DAYS, RIGHT? GREAT.
THAT MAY BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CAMEL THAT GETS HIS NOSE UNDER THE TENT, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THAT'S GONNA GO.
ALRIGHT? SO, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST THERE, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO ACTION.
BUT WHEN THE SUP WHEN THEY COME FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ISSUE.
OKAY? THEN WE COULD DO SOMETHING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A BIG TERMINAL DOWN HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF A SUPERVISOR ANYWHERE HERE IS GONNA ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO THAT WAS ME AND I JUST WANNA PASS THAT ALONG TO YOU GUYS.
MR. SHEPHERD, I'M GONNA LEAVE, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE LETTERS FROM 2020 22 WHERE THE BOARD QUESTION, I'M LISTENING, I WANNA HEAR THIS.
WHAT I, ARE THERE NOT LETTERS FROM 2022 REQUESTING MONEY? YES.
SO HOW DID NO, HEY, HEY, TELL US YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? NO.
WELL, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU UPFRONT.
THIS IS WHAT WE, I DIDN'T SAY I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
IT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE KNEW IS THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT CAME IN FOR THE BUSINESS THAT SAID, LOOK, IF, BECAUSE THE STATE HAS, HAS GONE THROUGH THIS BIG BUDGET CYCLE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD, THAT IF WE WANTED TO HAVE ANY CHANCE OF HAVING ANY KIND OF MONEY TO SUPPORT WHATEVER THIS BUSINESS IS, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE THE REQUEST.
OKAY? NOW, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT WE WERE GONNA GET ANYTHING OUT OF IT, BUT THAT WAS TO AVOID US HAVING TO PAY FOR A LOT OF STUFF.
WE, WE SIGNED THE LETTER AND IT SAID, HEY, LOOK, STATE IN CASE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS HAPPENS, THERE'S A BUSINESS AND MAYBE WE CAN, UH, GET SOME MONEY FOR IT.
AND SO FAR, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
OKAY? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
I HEARD IT HAD BEEN APPROVED, BUT MRS CALLED, YOU SIGNED ONE OF THE LETTERS AND YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S THE SAME LETTER THAT I SIGNED, RIGHT? IT'S THE SAME LETTER YOU TELL US HERE OUT ORDER.
WELL, AT THIS POINT I'M, I'M BEING TOLD I'M OUT OF ORDER, SO APPRECIATE IT GUYS.
UM, CONFERENCE AND THEN, UH, SEE THE, THE RO YABO ACTIVITY, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS CONCERNING THAT AS TO WHICH WAY TRAFFIC'S GONNA FLOW IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA.
UM, FROM THAT, I THINK THAT WAS THE, UH, THE BUSINESS AND THEN KING'S CREEK, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES ON THAT.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
10 MINUTES, 10 MINUTE BREAK REQUEST, 10 MINUTE COMFORT BREAK.
UH, LADIES, GENTLEMEN, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION PLEASE.
THE, UH, WE'RE DOING NOW GOING TO
[2* Dockmaster Building Design and Construction Follow-up. ]
UNFINISHED BUSINESS.UH, THIS IS, UH, THE ISSUE IS THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING DESIGN AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND FOLLOW UP.
UM, MANY OF YOU THAT YOU ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.
AND, UH, AND THEN LAST, UH, WORK SESSION, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS, UH, HAD A, UH, COUPLE HOURS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DESIGN.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE BACK AT IT AGAIN.
UH, YEAH, SO THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC.
THE LAST TWO, UH, BEEN MENTIONED BOARD CONTRACT WASD.
A MONTH AGO YOU ASKED THAT WE HAVE A WORK SESSION TO REVIEW SOME DETAIL, THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECTS, BOTH PROCESS AND FUNCTION.
UH, YOU FELT LIKE WE HAD A PRETTY THOROUGH WORK SESSION.
UM, I THINK FOR JUST ABOUT ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC, UH, EVEN IF YOU COULDN'T BE THERE PHYSICALLY, AND THE VIDEO COVERED THINGS IN QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL.
UH, IF Y'ALL, IF Y'ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE, WE CAN GO BACK INTO ANY OF THE STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE WORK SESSION.
UH, THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION.
UM, BASICALLY THE MEMO FOR TONIGHT'S ACTION SAID, THANK YOU.
THE, THE, SO I'M I'M THE CULPRIT, MY MIC.
UM, THAT, UH, WE HAD, UH, INCORPORATED, UH, TWO CHANGES THAT THE BOARD DIRECTED US TO MAKE.
AND WE ALSO WANTED TO CAPTURE AN ILLUSTRATION, THOSE OTHER CHANGES THAT HAD BEEN MADE THAT WERE NOT REFLECTED IN THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE ORIGINAL MODEL, LIKE THE BRICK COLOR AND THE TRIM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE CHANGES Y'ALL ASKED FOR WAS TO BASICALLY, UH, CLIP THE ROOF LINE.
AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE WAS TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE HOW THE
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LANDSCAPING OF THE PROJECT WOULD APPEAR.UM, THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WERE WORKING UNDER WERE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE COULD MAKE WITHOUT GENERATING, UH, GOING BACK TO AN ARCHITECT WITH THE TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, AND ALSO GOING BACK THROUGH BUILDING PLAN REVIEW AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, UH, THAT WAS OUR ATTEMPT TO COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S DIRECTION.
AND THEN THIS ILLUSTRATES THE, UH, THE NORTH AND SOUTH VIEW.
THE, UH, SOUTH VIEW HAS A, A LANDSCAPE BED CURRENTLY THAT WOULD SURVIVE AND COULD BE ENHANCED.
UM, I DO HAVE STAFF FROM THE DEPARTMENTS THAT BRIEFED YOU THE OTHER NIGHT IN THE ROOM.
IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE COVERED SORT OF THE PROCESS QUESTION.
UH, I THINK, UH, IT'S PRETTY INDISPUTABLE THAT THIS HAS BEEN OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR FIVE YEARS.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED IN THE 2018 C I P, LONG BEFORE ANYBODY HAD EVER HEARD OF PRINCESS CRUISES.
UM, IT IS TRUE THAT, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WE BROUGHT FORWARD DID NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT H Y C D UH, DESIRED.
I THINK THE CUT TO THE CHASE, UM, THEY COULD LIVE WITH A ONE STORY BUILDING, UH, WITH NO OFFICES AND NO INCIDENT COMMAND CENTER ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, AND WE NEED A PLACE FOR THOSE THINGS.
SO IF WE DON'T DO THIS, WE'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SCENARIO.
IN THE LONG RUN, THE, THE BUILDING IN THE BATHROOMS WE HAVE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN NOTHING, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN BAD SHAPE.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WOULD EITHER AUTHORIZE US TO PROCEED.
THE CONTRACT BID IS GOOD UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, SO THIS WOULD BE THE LAST MEETING THAT WE COULD AWARD IT.
OR, UH, IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS, IS DIRECT US TO DO A FULL REDESIGN AND JUST, UM, HAVE US COME BACK NEXT YEAR.
SO I THINK, I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO PRACTICAL CHOICES AT THIS POINT.
AND, UM, SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE RAISED SOME QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS DESIGN ADDRESSES THE QUESTIONS AND DESIRES OF THE BOARD FROM LAST, THE LAST MEETING.
WELL, THE, THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE ONE WAS CHANGING THE ROOF LINE TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE BATHROOM BUILDING BY THE FREIGHT SHED.
AND, UM, THE LIMITATION OF WHAT, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING STAFF COULD DO WITH THAT IS HOW IT IMPACTED THE AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT, UH, FOR BOTH THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE BATHROOM VENTILATION.
SO THAT KIND OF DEFINED, UM, THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE ROOF LINE COULD BE DROPPED ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH END.
AND THEN THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THAT UNCOLORED AREA SORT OF REPRESENTS THE SLOPE ON BOTH THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE, UM, THE, THE VENT DUCT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN, UH, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
AND THAT WAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE AIR HANDLING EQUIPMENT WHILE ALSO, UH, PUTTING IN THE, THE SLANTED ROOF THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAD DIRECTED US TO, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE.
AND, AND THERE WAS UP, THE CHANGE WAS OF A SCALE THAT, UH, WE COULD HANDLE IT AS A CHANGE ORDER AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO, UH, BUILDING SAFETY FOR PLAN REVIEW.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING, UH, RIDICULOUS TO WORK OUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS LANDSCAPING.
AND WE, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT, WE WERE TRYING NOT TO ELIMINATE THE SIDEWALK ON THE WARD SIDE, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO ENCROACH ON THE BEACH ON THE, ON THE RIVERSIDE.
UM, SO THERE IS A LANDSCAPING OPPORTUNITY TO THE SOUTH, AND THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, UH, ON THE LANDLORD SIDE, LIKE WE HAVE IN SOME OTHER PLACES, UM, DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT, WE COULD HAVE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANTS THAT, THAT JOANNE, OUR, OUR, OUR LANDSCAPER DOWN THERE DOES A REALLY NICE JOB.
AND THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATIVE OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO.
SO YOUR DIRECTION WAS TO BRING IT BACK AS ALL BUSINESS.
AND I GUESS TECHNICALLY THAT'S YOUR UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
YOU HAVE A, A, A PICTURE OF THIS DESIGN, UH, COM YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S GO BACK TO WHERE WE HAD IT COMPARED TO LIKE THE, UH, FREIGHT SHED OR HOW IT FIT INTO THE, THE OVERALL, UH, WE, WE, COMPARED TO THE OTHERS, WE HAVE THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION, THAT ONE FROM THE WORK SESSION.
UH, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO LET ME GO FISHING FOR IT HERE FOR A MINUTE.
AND ALSO SOMEWHERE IN THE, UH, THE BRIEFING, I THINK WE SAW THE LIST OF, UH, OF, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR
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RE THE REQUESTS FROM THE, THE COMMITTEE ON THE THINGS THAT WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS.I REMEMBER STEVEN ADDRESSED, UH, THOSE DURING THE, THE MEETING.
REMEMBER WE WENT DOWN TO THAT LIST AND YOU SAID, OKAY, THEY ASKED FOR THIS.
SO WAS THIS WHAT WE DID? RIGHT? AND AS YOU RECALL, MR. ANDERSON WENT OVER KIND OF WHAT THE H Y C D OBJECTIONS WERE AND ALSO THOSE THINGS THAT THIS BUILDING DID ADHERE TO IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO, SO MR. SHEPHERD, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY, UH, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT IS THE FREIGHT SHED BATHROOM, WHICH HAS THE COPPOLA AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE SLOPED ROOF, WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO IMITATE.
AND OF COURSE THE FREIGHT SHED ITSELF IS IN THE, IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER.
AND THEN THERE WAS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A BUILDING WITH THE CO DOWN THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE KIND OF MISSING IS PROPORTIONS.
I MEAN, HOW IS, IS THAT BUILDING, THAT DESIGN, THAT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN ON THE LEFT, IS IT PROPORTIONAL TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? I MEAN, UH, MORE OR LESS.
AND, AND SOMEBODY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, UH, ROB OR EARL OR SOMEBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT AT THE WORK SESSION WE WENT OVER IN SOME DETAIL, HEIGHT AND DIMENSION.
UH, THE FOOTPRINT IS 6% LARGER THAN THE TWO SMALLER BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A, AN OVERLAY COMPARISON OF THAT BUILDING TO THESE TWO BUILDINGS.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE TOO.
SO THE, BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE NEW ARC, THE NEW DESIGN, AS YOU SHOWED, YOU WOULD JUST BE CUTTING OFF THE ENDS OF THE, UH, ROOF LINE MM-HMM.
SO, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO IMAGINE THE, THE NORTH AND SOUTH ROOF LINE BEING CLIPPED A LITTLE BIT.
ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN I MADE THE MOTION THE LAST TIME AT THE TABLE.
MY MAJOR CONCERN WAS THE SIZING OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A HUGE, YOU KNOW, A HUGE BUILDING NOT SURROUNDED BY COMPARABLE SIZE, UH, OTHER BUILDINGS SUCH AS THE FREIGHT SHAPE AND SO FORTH.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO DOWNSIZE IT.
UM, LOWER THE, SO, SO WHEN YOU PUT, WHEN YOU PUT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS SIDE BY SIDE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THE SAME.
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT, EXCEPT YOU FORGET ABOUT THE GRASS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE FREIGHT SHED.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, A RENDERING ISN'T DIRECTLY COMPARABLE.
BUT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND MASS, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE, CERTAINLY THE FREIGHT SHED, FREIGHT SHED BATHROOM COMPLEX.
IT'S SMALLER THAN THOSE TWO TAKEN TOGETHER, I BELIEVE IT'S A COUPLE FEET LOWER.
I THINK YOU HAVE A PICTURE THAT SUPERIMPOSES MM-HMM.
YEAH, I THINK THAT LOOKS GOOD.
CAN YOU JUST SORT OF DEFINE THAT FOR US? THE GRAY, THE GRAY SLOPED ROOF IS THE NEW BUILDING.
AND WHAT THAT DOESN'T CAPTURE IS THE, UM, THE CLIPPED ROOF.
AND I'M SURE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM TO USE, BUT, UH, ON THE, ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE THAT, THAT Y'ALL ASK US TO INCLUDE, WHICH THEN TRIGGERED THE SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE AIR HANDLING VENTS ON THE SIDE.
UH, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE OFFICES THERE AND THEY COULD GO SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT ACTUALLY WE HAVE SO MUCH ACTIVITY DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT THAT WE DO NEED A PLACE, DO WE NOT FOR OUR STAFF TO CARRY ON THEIR BUSINESS PROPERLY.
WELL, THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF OPERATIONAL ADVANTAGES FOR THE PEOPLE WHOSE PRINCIPAL JOBS RELATE TO, UH, THE WATERFRONT TO BE THERE AND AM AM I NOT CORRECT THAT THE SIZE OF THE OFFICE SPACE PER PERSON IS STILL SMALLER THAN WHAT'S REALLY IT SHOULD BE ACCORDING TO THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MR. CLER.
IT'S, IT'S SMALLER THAN THE, THE OFFICE STANDARD THAT WE, THAT'S WHAT I'M AT.
SO WE HAVE CUT BACK A LOT ON, ON WHAT WE'RE GIVING THE STAFF AND STILL BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE WATERFRONT ACTIVITIES THAT WE NEED TO.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE AT THE WORK SESSION WAS, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT THAT
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THE BATHROOMS NEED TO BE YEAR ROUND AND A D A ACCESSIBLE.UH, BUT THE OTHER POINT WAS THE SERVICES FOR THE, UH, VISITORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ALSO NEED TO BE A D A ACCESSIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY COME INTO THE OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A WHEELCHAIR, UH, WHICH YOU, YOU CURRENTLY CAN'T DO.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE WANTED ALL THIS, ALL THE CUSTOMER SERVICES TO BE A D A COMPLIANT, IT SHOULD BE A D A COMPLIANT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A REVIEW AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU, WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE, THE LAST BRIEFING, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHY WE HAD TO HAVE THE FORT THIS BUILDING.
WELL, UM, I REMEMBER, UH, DARREN'S PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH WAY EARL THE OTHER WAY.
JUST DO GO FORWARD, KEEP GOING.
SO THESE WERE THE REASONS FOR DENIAL.
SOMEBODY SAID THAT WE DID NOT COVER THE H Y C D OBJECTIONS, BUT MM-HMM.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REASONS WHY THE CHANGES FOR THE BILL, WHY WE HAD, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SEVEN FUNCTIONS, RIGHT? THE FUNCTIONS THAT WERE GONNA TAKE PLACE IN THIS BUILDING.
THE, THE STUFF THAT, UM, UM, DARREN TALKED ABOUT.
IF Y'ALL, IF Y'ALL, ARE Y'ALL GOOD WITH DARREN COMING BACK AND REPEAT THAT? YEAH.
I'LL PROBABLY DROP ONE OR TWO IF I TRIED TO MM-HMM.
I JUST WANT, BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS TO ME ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, WHY WE'RE DOING THIS BUILDING, WHY WE'RE INVESTING AND MAKING THE MONEY OR WHATEVER, SPENDING THE MONEY ON THIS.
SO I WANT TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE WE'RE CLEAR THAT AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
AND I'LL TRY TO, I'LL ABBREVIATE A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, THE WORK SESSION.
SO, UM, AT THE DOCK MASTER OFFICE CURRENTLY, IT SUPPORTS FIVE OPERATIONAL AREAS.
SO OF THOSE OPERATIONAL AREAS, OF COURSE IT'S THE DOCKS.
OUR, WE WALK LANDING PEER OPERATIONS.
SO THAT'S TO INCLUDE OUR TALL SHIPS, TRANSIENT BOATERS, RESEARCH VESSELS, THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, IT SUPPORTS OUR EVENT STAFF, WHICH HOST OVER 70 PLUS EVENTS AT THE WATERFRONT EACH YEAR.
UM, IT ALSO PLAYS A BASE TO OUR, UH, WATERFRONT AMBASSADOR.
THOSE ARE OUR KIND OF MOBILE GUEST SERVICES.
AND, AND, AND ALSO THEY'RE KIND OF OUR RULE REMINDERS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, IT, IT SERVES AS A BASE ON OP OF OPERATION FOR OUR PARKING ATTENDANTS.
AND THEN ALSO IT SERVES AS A BASE OF OPERATION FOR OUR FREIGHT SHED, UM, SUPPORT STAFF, WHICH THE FREIGHT SHED DOES ABOUT 140 RENTALS, BUT ALSO THE FREIGHT SHED ALSO SUPPORTS MANY OF THOSE 70 PLUS EVENTS DURING THE YEAR.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE SUPER VITAL SERVICE AND REALLY DEFINED SERVICES, IT ALSO SERVES AS THE ONLY PLACE THAT A VISITOR TO YORKTOWN CAN ACTUALLY MAKE CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE AT THE WATERFRONT.
AND SO WHAT THAT INTER INTERACTION CAN ENTAILS IS MAYBE OFFERING A TROLLEY MAP, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE UPCOMING EVENTS, TALKING ABOUT WHERE TO GO EAT A RESTAURANT, WHERE, WHERE TO DO SOME SHOPPING, ASK ABOUT THE MUSEUMS. UM, ALSO IT SERVES AS OUR LOST AND FOUND, IT ALSO SERVES AS A FIRST AID STATION, WHICH AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT'S QUITE FREQUENT IN THE SUMMER, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE JELLYFISH THINGS.
UM, SO REALLY THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S A REALLY ABBREVIATED, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THERE.
THAT, THAT'S A FANTASTIC POINT TOO.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE FACILITY ACTUALLY SERVES AS KIND OF A HUB FOR OUR, OUR CAMERA SYSTEMS DOWN THERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THERE'S CAMERAS, BUT THERE'S ALSO REPEATERS.
NOW, I I, I'M NOT AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS, AS MR. HALL IS IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND HE, I'M SURE HE COULD GO A LITTLE FURTHER, BUT ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE HERE, IT HAS OUR, UH, V H F MARINE ANTENNA.
SO THIS ALLOWS US TO COMMUNICATE WITH MARINE TRAFFIC AS WELL.
BUT WHAT ABOUT SECURITY? WHAT ABOUT OUR POLICE? OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LACKING DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF, IF WE'RE TO HAVE AN INCIDENT OR AT AN EVENT WE LACK AN AREA TO HAVE AN INCIDENT COMMAND OR, OR KIND OF A CRISIS COMMAND.
I DON'T WANNA SOUND TOO HEAVY HANDED IN THAT, BUT THE, THE NEW DESIGN WOULD AFFORD SOMETHING AND THERE'S A TON OF VALUE IN HAVING THAT GEO LOCATED WHERE YOUR INCIDENT OR YOUR CRISIS IS HAPPENING.
UM, ANOTHER THING WITH THE NEW BUILDING, IT'LL ALSO SAVE AS OUR, SERVE AS OUR FIBER OPTIC HUB DOWN THERE AS WELL, WHICH AGAIN, CONNECTIVITY, COMMUNICATION, ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BATHROOMS WOULD JUST BE HEATED.
SO THE BATHROOMS ARE AVAILABLE 20 ALL YEAR.
SO CURRENTLY THE BATHROOMS LACK HEAT, BUT ADDITIONALLY THEY LACK THE ABILITY TO UPGRADE TO HEAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ELECTRICAL SERVICES THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.
SO BY, BY PROVIDING THESE BATHROOMS THAT HAVE HEAT, THEN WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP 'EM OPEN YEAR ROUND, WHERE NOW WE'RE CLOSED FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO APRIL 1ST.
SO, AND AGAIN, AND, AND, AND PART OF THE BOARD'S, YOU KNOW, CHARGE TO THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT WAS TO EXTEND EVENTS INTO THE SHOULDER SEASON, YOU KNOW, BRING PEOPLE HERE WHEN THEY DON'T USUALLY COME HERE.
WE'VE EXPANDED EVENTS ALL THE WAY TO ALMOST THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER, AND THEN ALSO STARTED TO PEPPER IN SOME WINTER MARKETS AS WELL IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS BECOMES PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE HAVE THE BATHROOM SHUT DOWN IN THAT LOCATION WAS JUST DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OUR EVENT SPACE THAT'S SHUT DOWN FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL, WHERE WE STILL HAVE A, A GREAT
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MAJORITY OF, OF HIGHLY ATTENDED EVENTS GOING ON DOWN THERE.SO IF WE SHRUNK THE BUILDING DOWN, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY LOSE SOME FUNCTIONALITY.
YOU'D LOSE SOME FUNCTIONALITY.
SO WE TAKE, SINCE WE OWN THE PROPERTY, ALL THE PROPERTIES THERE.
UM, COULD WE NOT TAKE ONE OF THOSE, BUILDING ONE OF THOSE OFFICES OR ONE OF THOSE SHOPS AND, UH, CONVERT IT TO A FUNCTIONALITY HERE THAT'S, THAT, UH, IS IN, UH, IN, IN, UH, THAT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, ASKED FOR IN THIS DESIGN? DARREN'S LIKE, IS THAT ABOVE MY PAY GRADE?
UM, SO THEORETICALLY, YES, OF COURSE THERE ARE.
RIGHT NOW ALL OF THE SPACES ARE LEASED.
YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A CERTAIN MIX OF BUSINESSES DOWN THERE FOR THE VISITORS.
AND YOU'D, YOU'D HATE TO GIVE ANY OF THEM UP.
UH, I'D HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHEN A LEASE WOULD EXPIRE.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO RENOVATE THE SPACE BECAUSE IT WAS DESIGNED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IN THEORY, YES, OVER TIME YOU COULD DO THAT.
IS IT PRACTICAL TO DO THAT? I, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE CONCERNS ABOUT PUSHING OUT RETAILERS.
IT'S FULLY LEASED OUT, SO I, I MEAN, IT COULD BE DONE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT AS A GOOD OPTION.
SO, SO IF WE HAD TO LOSE SOME FUNCTIONALITY, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT AWAY FROM THE BEACH.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FAIR QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL, HOW DO WE DO IT NOW? AND YOU SAW SOME OF THE PICTURES, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN CROWDED TIMES.
IT'S JUST A PRETTY UNPLEASANT, CROWDED SPACE.
UM, AND SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS ARE DEALT WITH FROM PEOPLE UP THE HILL.
AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE IN ANY YORKTOWN BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU START GETTING INTO THINGS LIKE THIS BUILDING.
AND THEN YOU'D AGAIN HAVE TO BE PUSHING OUT, YOU KNOW, A USE THAT'S IN THIS BUILDING, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO, LIKE THE MUSEUM OR THE, OR THE RETAIL AREA.
SO, UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD PLACE TO PUT THESE PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY WE DESIGNED IT INTO THIS BUILDING.
ANYBODY GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
THE, UM, THE FREIGHT SHED AUXILIARY BUILDING.
I KNOW THE DOWNSTAIRS HOSTS THE KITCHEN AREA.
'CAUSE THE FREIGHT SHED DOESN'T YES, SIR.
'CAUSE THE FREIGHT SHED DOESN'T, IS THERE ANY OTHER SPACE DOWNSTAIRS OR JUST THOSE TWO THINGS? UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT, WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER, I GUESS WHAT YOU COULD CALL A MECHANICAL ROOM THAT HOUSES OUR, OUR HVAC SLASH GEOTHERMAL EQUIPMENT IN THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT YOU DON'T SEE, BUT YOU SEE MORE BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S TAKEN UP BY HVAC, MECHANICAL ROOM, SPACE, POWER, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BREAKER BOXES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE AUXILIARY BUILDING? SO THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
UM, WITH SOME OF THE ROOF DESIGNS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IT, IT, IT PRECLUDES USE OF THAT SECOND FLOOR.
AND AGAIN, PUBLIC WORKS OR SOMEBODY FROM ENGINEER COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, INTELLIGIBLY TO THAT.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO UP IN THOSE SPACES, IT'S, IT'S SUPER LIMITED BECAUSE OF THE, THE STEEP ANGLE OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
SO, SO THAT SECOND FLOOR IS EMPTY SPACE RIGHT NOW ABOVE THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S NOT USABLE SPACE WISE.
AND, AND AGAIN, FOR, FROM THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, AND AGAIN, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD TALK A LITTLE MORE INT INTELLIGIBLY TO THIS, THAT IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY UNUSABLE SPACE EVEN FOR STORAGE THAT WE, THAT WE'RE BILLING TO BUILD, YOU COULD POTENTIAL, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY USE, USE IT FOR STORAGE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, THERE WOULD BE SOME INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A HOLE IN THE CEILING TO ACCESS THAT, THAT SPACE BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY UNUSABLE YEAH.
TO, TO, TO FIT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IS THIS WANT ME TO CONTINUE ON OR ARE WE GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH? WELL, I MEAN, GO AHEAD AND TALK UNTIL WE GET THIS THING FIGURED OUT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THEN WE'LL, SO, SO I'VE INVESTED AN NON TRI AMOUNT OF TIME IN, IN ADDITION TO OUR CONVERSATIONS LAST WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE, WORKING WITH MEMBERS OF COUNTY STAFF ON IDEAS AND OPTIONS AND SO FORTH.
AND I APPRECIATE, I DON'T, I SAW JOEY EARLIER, I THINK HE'S GONE, BUT JOE AND, AND BETH, I THINK IT WAS, AND, AND A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE THAT I MET FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, TALKING THROUGH OPTIONS.
UH, I SPENT SOME TIME WALKING AROUND THE WATERFRONT DOWN THERE, UM, DRIVING DOWN BALL STREET, BACKING UP BALL STREET, DRIVING BACK DOWN BALL STREET, TRYING TO GET A LAY OF THE LAND.
POKING MY HEAD IN TALKING TO THE, WHOEVER IT WAS THAT JAMES WASN'T THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE WAS IN THERE.
CHATTING WITH HIM, LOOKING AT THE SPACE AND SO FORTH.
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IS CLEAR.WHAT'S BEEN EATEN AT ME, AND I WANT, I WANNA SAY THIS TOO, YOU KNOW, JOE AND BETH HAS, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB GIVING US, UM, SOME CHANGES THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.
AND SHE EVEN, BETH EVEN HAS SOME GREAT IDEAS TODAY AND OTHER WAYS TO BREAK UP THAT, THAT FRONT EDGE TO MAKE IT LOOK, MAKE IT LOOK MORE APPEALING.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR TIME AND, AND ENERGY INTO THAT.
BUT WHAT'S BEEN NEAT AT ME IS, UM, I FEEL LIKE I'M, I'M, I'M PUTTING A, I'M TRYING TO PUT A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.
I, I HAVE OPTION A AND I HAVE OPTION A, I DON'T HAVE OPTION B OR C, AND I GOT, AND I BOX INTO, INTO A TIMEFRAME HERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH NOT HAVING OPTION B TO LOOK AT AS WELL.
UM, AND I THINK WE NEED AN OPTION B AND WE'RE, AND YOU'RE STARTING, WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU'RE STARTING ASKING, WELL, COULD WE USE ONE OF THE RETAIL STORES? COULD WE USE THE, THE UPSTAIRS AUXILIARY BUILDING AT, AT LEAST FOR A SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO GET US THROUGH SHORT TERM TIME AND MAYBE HAVE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TOO? BUT THE LACK, THE LACK OF OPTION B IS, IS, IS PROBLEMATIC.
UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS UP AT THE END OF OCTOBER.
I THINK MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO ASKING 'EM TO EXTEND THAT.
I KNOW I'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES MYSELF.
YOU KNOW, WHEN LICENSE AGREEMENTS COME UP, ALRIGHT, I NEED ANOTHER, I NEED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN, WE CAN TRANSFER.
SO, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE BEING BOXED IN THE CORNER AND I FEEL THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED OPTIONS AND, AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DISCOVER THOSE OPTIONS AND WORK, WORK THOSE WORK THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS.
AND IN, AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE A D A ISSUE THAT, THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE PRESENTLY HAVE THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED FOR 20 YEARS CARE WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED FOR 20, 30 YEARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY VERY IMPORTANT.
I MEAN, THAT BUILDING'S A 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING THAT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED 50 YEARS FAR AND APART.
BUT WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IT FOR 50 YEARS.
SO, AND THE PLUMBING IS, YEAH.
WELL, WE'VE START, WE'VE TRIED TO START AT HOW MANY YEARS AGO? I THINK WE HAVE A, A BOOK.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PRINCESS.
SO PLEASE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO THINK THAT OUR DECISIONS HAVE TO DO WITH PRINCESS LINE COMING IN, BECAUSE THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A THOUGHT TO IT.
BUT, UH, FOR ME IT'S THE BATHROOMS AND THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO WORK AS THEY SHOULD DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR VISITORS AND OUR CITIZENS.
WELL JUST, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL WE CAN GO AROUND AS LONG AS YOU WANT, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, YOU KNOW, I I KIND OF, I HAVE TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT HERE, UM,
UM, I KNOW WE GOT THINGS WE'VE GOTTA HAVE DONE, BUT THERE, BUT I WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, I LOOK AT THIS BUILDING, IT'S AN UGLY BUILDING.
UM, SO I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, I IT'S, IT'S JUST AN UGLY BUILDING OVER THE SIDE.
WELL, THE, THE PROBLEM, WHAT PROBABLY WE'VE GOT IS THE, THE CITIZENS DOWN HERE, UM, I KNOW THEY, YOU KNOW, WE GET THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT, WELL THEY THINK THEY OWN THE TOWN, BUT THEY LIVE IN IT.
OKAY? AND, UH, IT'S THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL HOW WE, HOW WE, UH, IMPACT, IMPACT THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO MY SENSE IS, IS THAT, UM, MY, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY SENSE IS THAT JUST WE GOTTA SHOOT THIS THING IN THE HEAD AND, AND, UH, PUT IT AWAY.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WE DO IS, UH, YOU GOT ONE YEAR.
OKAY, WE GOT THESE, WE GOT THESE THINGS THAT'VE GOTTA BE DONE.
ALRIGHT? IF YOU DON'T HELP US FIGURE IT OUT, THEN IT'S PROBABLY IN A YEAR TIME YOU'RE GONNA GET WHATEVER HAPPENS.
BUT I JUST, UH, MY SENSE RIGHT NOW IS THAT, I MEAN, THE STAFF'S DONE A GREAT JOB TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW MAKE THIS ROUND WHOLE, BUT WE GOT THE PEG, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED THIS MUCH CONSTERNATION TO GET THIS THING DONE.
SO, UH, MY SENSE IS THAT, UH, UM, I DON'T THINK WAL I DON'T THINK YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT NOW, ARE YOU? UNLESS YOU ARE.
I THINK CHAD'S PROBABLY NOT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
SO HERE'S WHAT I WANNA PROPOSE.
I'M GONNA, WE CAN'T TABLE THIS THING, ALRIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD.
YOU CAN'T TABLE THE CONTRACT'S DEAD.
UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA BRING IT UP FOR, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT THE QUESTION.
BRING IT UP, KILL IT, AND THEN WHAT WE DO, STAFF, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK, TRY AGAIN.
NOW, I WILL TELL THE PEOPLE THIS VILLAGE, IF YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THIS AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND HAVE YOU HELP WITH IT, YOU DON'T GET IT.
YOU'RE GONNA GET WHAT HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT? YOU GOT NO, NO EXCUSES.
WE GOT REQUIREMENTS HERE THAT INVOLVE TRYING TO, TO PROTECT YOU, BUT WE ALSO GOT THE WHOLE COUNTY WE GOTTA DEAL WITH.
[02:15:01]
I'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON WHATEVER THE HECK THIS RESOLUTION IS.CAN YOU MAKE THAT AS THE CHAIR? I CAN, I CAN MAKE ANY MOTION JUST AS A MEMBER.
I CAN DO THAT AS A CHAIR, BY THE WAY.
UM, SO GO AHEAD, CALL IT MOTION NAME ON MRS. NOLES TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 2395 R TO APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THE DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT IT.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO HANG AROUND FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THIS.
[CONSENT CALENDAR ]
IS CONSENT AGENDA.WE GOT A, THERE'S NOTHING ON, THERE'S NOTHING ASHLEY ON IT.
THERE'S JUST SOME APPOINTMENTS.
HEAD START POLICY REFUND TO REAL PROPERTY TAXES.
FORMAL STRUCTURE FOR GOVERNMENT GRIEVANCE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, THIS ONE'S CONSIDERED ADOPTION RESOLUTION TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT FOR COASTAL EQUIPMENT.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
[CLOSED MEETING ]
GOT A CLOSED MEETING, SO YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE CLOSED MEETING PLEASE.UH, IN ACCORDANCE TO SECTION TWO DASH 2.2 DASH 37 11 A1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, A CONVENE AND CLOSED MEETING TO CONSIDER A PERSONAL MATTER INVOLVING AN APPOINTMENT.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO ENC CLOSE MEETING AND WE NEED, UH, WHO DO WE NEED THERE? WE NEED, UH, PERSONNEL, UH, PERSON, UH, PERSONNEL.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, MAYBE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DOWN AT THIS END.