Sep 13, 2023 Planning Commission

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[1. Call to Order]

THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON LAND USE AND PLANNING ISSUES AFFECTING THE COUNTY.

THE RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, UH, AND ALL ARE MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.

THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD, ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT, AND TWO AT LARGE MEMBERS.

MADAM SECRETARY, CALL PLEASE.

MR. HOY.

HERE.

MR. TITUS? HERE.

MS. ALITO? HERE.

MR. KING? HERE.

MR. KRINER? HERE.

MR. SMITH.

HERE.

MR. WAS MARTIN? HERE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORUM.

ALL RIGHT.

MR. STAND FOR PLEDGE RELATIONS, PLEASE.

TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY.

UH, MOVING TO

[4. Approve Minutes - August 9, 2023 ]

UM, EVERYONE HAS A COPY.

ANY COMMENTS? REQUEST FOR CHANGES FROM ANYONE? UH, HAVING HEARD NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.

THE MOTION BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON AUGUST 9TH, 2023.

MR. ROY? YES.

MR. TITUS? YES.

MS. HAM? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. KRINER? YES.

MR. WAER? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

THE MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

UH, AT THIS TIME WE WILL, UM, OPEN THE, UH, FLOOR FOR

[5. Citizen Comments]

UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE THAT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

UH, AND I'LL REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE ONE ITEM, UH, ON THE AGENDA.

AND THE SECOND ITEM IS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, WHICH WILL NOT HAVE A, UH, UH, PUBLIC FORUM.

SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR PROCEEDINGS? OKAY.

WAIT.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD.

THESE ARE FOR THE OPEN.

THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

THOSE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? NO, NO, NO.

FOR THE SPEAKER CITIZEN COMMENT.

OH, THE CITIZEN COMMENT.

OKAY.

I'VE GOT, UH, MARIE REBEL, AND I'LL ASK YOU TO, UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOUR LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND THE LIGHT WILL TURN YELLOW, INDICATING THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO WRAP UP AND READ THE END.

YES.

MY NAME IS MAURICE REBEL.

I LIVE AT TWO OF ZERO FIVE SHADY BLUFF POINT, WILLIAMSBURG.

ON AUGUST 9TH, 2023, THE FOLLOWING CITIZENS SPOKE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DALILA JOHNSON, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, RICHARD HOWELL, STEPHEN KENNEDY, DONNA JEER, TERRY HODSON, ELIZABETH WILKINS, JACQUES FR, RON REBEL, AND BOB HODSON.

THESE CITIZENS WERE ENGAGED, INFORMED, AND SOUGHT ONLY TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITIES.

WHY THEN WERE THEY MET WITH A STAFF RESPONSE THAT WAS ARGUMENTATIVE, DEFENSIVE, AND FAILED TO INCLUDE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS.

FOR SOME REASON, STAFF IS RUSHING THIS APPROVAL.

WHY? TOPICS ADDRESSED AT THE MEETING WERE OVERDEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, CONSERVATION, AND THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES STAFF'S MEMORANDUM IGNORED THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITIZEN CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS, INSTEAD, PORTRAYING CITIZEN SPEAKERS AS UNINFORMED OR MISINFORMED.

THIS HAS BEEN A GO-TO TACTIC FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP, AND SADLY, THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO GET THE LAST WORD.

WELL, HOPEFULLY NOT TONIGHT.

IN THE COMING WEEKS, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO CHALLENGE BIAS AND HUBRIS IN ORDER TO SUBSTANTIVELY ADDRESS THE ABSENCE OF CITIZEN SUBSTANTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR INCLUSION IN THE DRAFT, UNRESOLVED FLAWS IN THE PLAN TO INCLUDE INSUFFICIENT INCLUSION OF CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING CRUISE SHIPS.

INSUFFICIENT

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NO PROGRESS ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR S STR AND LINGERING LIP SERVICE TO CONSERVATION, CONTINUED USE OF OBSOLETE DATA, LACK OF PERFORMANCE METRICS, LACK OF OVERALL VISION.

THE DRAFTING OF THIS PLAN HAS BEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING, BUT SUDDENLY THERE IS A RUSH TO APPROVAL FLAWS AND ALL.

AGAIN, I ASK WHY.

PLEASE SHOW THE COURAGE TO SLOW THIS APPROVAL PROCESS, MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES, AND ULTIMATELY PRESENT OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND CITIZENS WITH THE BEST PRODUCT POSSIBLE AND A PRODUCT WE ARE ALL PROUD TO SUPPORT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, STEVEN KENNEDY.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, STEVEN KENNEDY, 1 0 4 PENN DRIVE.

ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION.

UH, GO TO CONSERVE YORK COUNTY.ORG.

THAT'S CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY.ORG.

TONIGHT'S COMMENTS SUMMARIZING MY COMMENTS FROM OUR LAST CHITCHAT ON AUGUST 9TH.

YOUR MINUTES ARE WRONG.

THEY'RE INACCURATE, SQUELCHING AND DILUTING MY MESSAGE.

WORDS MEAN THINGS, LADY AND GENTLEMEN, ESPECIALLY IN AN ELECTION YEAR.

THESE PURPOSEFUL OMISSIONS, UH, ERODE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE.

HAVING SAT ON MANY BOARDS, BOTH FOR-PROFIT AND NOT-FOR-PROFIT, WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT AS A WALL STREET INTERN.

DON'T LET THEM, OR THE COMMITTEE OF THEY, UH, PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.

WORDS, DON'T LET THEM DELETE WORDS, COUNSELOR OR ALTER YOUR VIEWS BEFORE APPROVING THOSE MINUTES.

YOU PUBLISHED MY CHAT WITH 317 WORDS.

THERE WAS, I HAD IT TRANSCRIBED.

DON'T WORRY, I WON'T CHARGE YOU FOR IT'S 846 WORDS.

I'D LIKE EACH OF YOU TO TAKE THIS HOME WITH YOU AND SAY, WHICH ONE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHER, WHICH MESSAGE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE ONE THAT I ACTUALLY GAVE YOU? NEXT ITEM, WALT REBA'S RETIRING.

CHAD GREEN IS MOVING ON.

SPEAKING OF MR. GREEN, YOU MENTIONED HIS NAME IS A JUSTIFICATION OF FORCED PASSAGE OF THIS DISASTROUS 2040 COMP PLAN, 2019 DATA, 2020 CRIME STATS.

HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE C O CRIME IN YORK COUNTY? I CALL IT OLD NEWS.

I CALL IT S O S, SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE.

SO IF WE'RE GONNA QUOTE MR. GREEN, THEN HOW ABOUT REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR ST QUOTE, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ARE FOR HOMES, NOT HOTELS.

IT SAYS, MR. GREEN.

SO HERE YOU GO.

HERE'S YOUR POLICY.

READY.

ZERO, NONE, PERIOD.

GRANDFATHER, THE ONES THAT ALREADY OWN SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE CAPITAL STOCK OF A NATION.

YOU CANNOT REDUCE THE CAPITAL STOCK OF YOUR COUNTY BECAUSE AND EXPECT PRICES TO WORK FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.

THE IRREFUTABLE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL IN YORK COUNTY.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN LLCS COME IN AND BUY UP DOZENS OF LOW PRICE POINT HOMES IN YORK COUNTY BECAUSE OF ERRONEOUS POLICIES? YOU ALSO MUST PRODUCE FULL DISCLOSURE, PLEASE, TO THE CITIZEN OWNER.

HOW MANY OF YOU OWN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHETHER HERE OR ELSEWHERE? PLEASE PRODUCE OR DISQUALIFY YOURSELVES FROM MAKING POLICY ON THAT ISSUE.

I HAD A CLIENT RUN AN AI PROGRAM ON SDRS THAT IN LESS THAN 90 SECONDS, CREATED A POLICY FOR YOUR COUNTY.

I WON'T CHARGE YOU FOR THAT.

IN THE MEANTIME, BEFORE THE ROBOTS, UH, RENDER US ALL OBSOLETE, WE HAVE OFFICERS AND DIRECTORS FROM THE CONSERVE YOUR COUNTY FOUNDATION THAT CAN PRODUCE A WHITE PAPER.

THEY CAN TEACH A MATCH FOR CLASS ON THE TOPIC.

AND ALL YOU DO IS IGNORE THEM, DISMISS THEM.

THE CONDESCENSION IS REALLY STRONG.

NOT SURE IF THAT'S BECAUSE OF YEARS OF SERVICE OR SOME OTHER REASON, BUT THIS IS A GOOD REMINDER.

YOUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, NOT THE PUBLIC MASTERS.

SO I'M RUNNING MY OWN TIME CLOCK BECAUSE YOU MAKE PEOPLE, UM, AND I WILL TOP THERE THAT, UH, I RAN MY OWN TIME CLOCK.

I THINK YOU NEED TO RECALIBRATE THAT.

I THINK YOU'RE ALL BY AT LEAST SIX SECONDS.

AND THE LAST THING I DID FOR YOUR RATIFICATION IS I'VE BEEN TAPING THIS SO I CAN SEND YOU THE MINUTES.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE STAFF DO IT.

I HEAR THE STAFF IS WAY OVERWORKED.

I'M VERY SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME.

I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU AND SAVE YOU SOME TIME, MR. SMITH.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

GOOD NIGHT.

NOW, UH, NEXT STEP.

UH, BETSY TAYLOR.

PARDON ME.

EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU.

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I REFER YOU TO PAGE EIGHT OF THE REPORT, THE LAST SENTENCE UNDER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROMOTE AND INCREASE YEAR-ROUND VISITATION TO YORKTOWN AND RIVER WALK LANDING IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE VILLAGE'S HISTORIC CHARM AND CHARACTER AND RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENCE QUALITY OF LIFE.

WHAT'S MISSING? THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING THERE.

BAR HARBOR, AMSTERDAM, KEY WEST, VENICE, ISTANBUL, CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, HAVE INVESTED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN REPORTS, STUDIES ON THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF CRUISE SHIPS AND THEIR HARBORS.

THE PORT OF SAVANNAH, GEORGIA, AFTER THIS, THIS IS 10 YEARS AGO AFTER AN EXTENSIVE STUDY FLAT OUT, SAID, NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUBJECT OUR PORT OUR CITIZENS TO THIS.

SO YES, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC QUALITY.

THIS AREA IS A TREASURE FOR OUR COUNTY, OUR STATE, AND OUR NATION.

THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE LIKE IT IN THE WORLD.

SO I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE WORDS FOLLOWING THAT WILL NOT ADD, DETRACT FROM THE VILLAGE'S, HISTORIC CHARM, CHARACTER AND RESIDENCE, QUALITY OF LIFE.

I REQUEST THE WORDS OR ADVERSELY IMPACT THE COMMON, THE, UM, NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ECOSYSTEM OF THE RIVER AND AIR QUALITY.

THERE'S BEEN NO MENTION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THESE CRUISE SHIPS IN YORKTOWN OR YORK COUNTY, I SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST YORK VILLAGE.

THAT RIVER FLOWS BACK AND FORTH ANY POLLUTION THAT'S RELEASED, ANY FUMES THAT ARE RELEASED, AIR QUALITY AND WATER.

AND I THINK BEFORE WE LIMIT IT JUST TO THE HISTORIC VALUE, WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE AN IN-DEPTH STUDY OF THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON OUR ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, NEXT I HAVE, UH, JACQUES MONTE FRANZ, UH, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS JACQUE MONTE FRANZ.

I LIVE AT 2 28 CHURCH STREET.

JUST RECENTLY WE HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM.

AND AT THAT MEETING WE WERE SHOWN FOUR CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS OF WHAT THE MUSEUM COMPLEX MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND IT INCLUDED A, AN ILLUSTRATION OF A LARGE CONCRETE, UH, TENDER PIER FOR HOUSING TENDER SHIPS.

THAT PIER CURVED UP RIVER OBLITERATED THE VIEW OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ENJOYING THE POCKET BEACHES IN THAT AREA.

PICNICKING THERE IS ALSO GONNA OBSTRUCT THE ENTIRE VIEW OF ANYBODY COMING INTO TOWN ON WATER STREET.

IT'LL BE THE DOMINANT VIEW THAT THEY HAVE.

I URGE YOU ALL, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THESE DRAWINGS, TO ASK THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM TO SEE THEM, THEY'RE RATHER ENLIGHTENING.

A DETAILED EXAMINATION OF THE ONE OF THE TENDER PIER ILLUSTRATIONS SHOW DEPICTS A LARGE BUILDING ON THE SQUARE SECTION OF THE TENDER PIER, WHICH HOUSES A, UH, AN EDUCATIONAL BUILDING FOR THE WATER MUSEUM.

THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING, BUT IF YOU LOOK MORE CLOSELY, THERE ARE ALL THESE LITTLE KIOSK TYPE STRUCTURES AROUND THAT BUILDING, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE USED TO FOR BY PRINCESS CRUISE LINES TO SELL TRINKETS AND SOUVENIRS TO THE TOURISTS COMING OFF THOSE SHIPS AND CAPTURE THAT MONEY BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO THE VENDORS IN TOWN.

THAT'S A TYPICAL, UH, PAT PATTERN OF ACTIVITY THAT THESE CRUISE LINES USE ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AND IT RE REMOVES A LOT OF THE INCOME THAT INITIALLY COMES INTO TOWN DURING THE PILOT PROGRAM FROM THOSE VENDORS LATER ON.

THIS IS A LONG-TERM HORIZON THAT PRINCESS CRUISE LINES IS LOOKING AT.

AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS COMPANY IS AT A $12.2 BILLION COMPANY.

THEY TRADE ON THE STOCK EXCHANGE EXCHANGE.

THE PRIMARY MISSION OF THE C E O OF THAT COMPANIES IS TO LOOK OUT FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS, NOT TO LOOK OUT FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY.

SO, IN SUMMARY, I JUST WANT TO REQUEST THAT YOU REMOVE ANY REFERENCE TO PRINCE'S CRUISE LINES FROM YOUR DOCUMENT THIS EVENING.

UH, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ISSUE.

EVERYTHING'S BEEN DONE, UH, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND IN SECRET

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SO BEFORE YOU INCLUDE ANY MENTION OF THIS IN YOUR DOCUMENTS, WE URGE YOU TO THINK TWICE.

TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE ILLUSTRATIONS THERE.

I'M SURE THEY WOULD MAKE THEM A AVAIL AVAILABLE TO YOU AND, AND TAKE A HARD LOOK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST DON'T TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF CRUISE SHIP PRESENCE IS GONNA BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY 'CAUSE WE DON'T THINK IT IS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, NEXT I HAVE ELIZABETH WILKINS.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WILKINS, 2 28 CHURCH STREET.

UM, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.

I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT INSTEAD OF USING MORE PALATABLE AND VAGUE LANGUAGE TO DESCRIBE IT, THAT ALL MENTION OF PRINCESS CRUISE LINES BE REMOVED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

EXCUSE ME, A MA'AM, CAN YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE OVER TO OH, YES.

THANK YOU.

WE ARE CONSISTENTLY ASSURED THAT NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, NO FINAL DECISIONS, NO AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED AD NAUSEUM.

SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND THIS IS JUST A TRIAL, ALBEIT FOR TWO YEARS, NOT ONE, THERE IS NO REASON TO HARDEN PRINCESS INTO YOUR DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW.

WELL OVER 5,000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED OUR PETITION TO PRESERVE YORKTOWN WITHOUT LARGE CRUISE SHIPS AND THEIR INEVITABLE ENVIRONMENTAL AND CULTURAL IMPACTS.

WE ASK THAT YOU STEP BACK, LISTEN TO CITIZENS AND OMIT PRINCESS FROM THE CURRENT PLAN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, THAT'S THE LAST, UH, SHEET THAT I HAVE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, UH, THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

THANK YOU.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YES, I'M BARBARA LUCK, 1 39 SMITH STREET.

UM, WHAT I'M GOING TO READ IS, UM, A COPY OF AN EMAIL SENT FROM PETER DEAN OF LANCASTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA TO THE BOARD OF, TO OUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REGARDING THE PRINCESS PROJECT.

PLAIN, SIMPLE, AND TO THE POINT.

I'M GOING TO USE A METAPHOR WE ALL CAN UNDERSTAND TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AT HAND IN A SMALL, QUIET, AND MOST IMPORTANT HISTORICAL AMERICAN SITE.

YORKTOWN BECOMING ONE MORE STOP FOR THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE.

AND THE QUOTE HE GIVES IS ONE OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S.

WE WILL NOT APPRECIATE WATER UNTIL THE WELL RUNS DRY.

APPRECIATE YOUR SMALL GYM OF BEAUTY AND SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE.

YORKTOWN WILL BE SEVERELY NEGATIVELY COMPROMISED WITH THE INTRODUCTION TO YOUR LAND AND WATERSCAPE OF A VESSEL DESIGNED TO ENTERTAIN THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PAYING GUESTS POSSIBLE.

IT IS THE THE RARE AESTHETICS YORKTOWN OFFERS THAT WILL SUFFER THE CALM AND CONTEMPLATIVE SIGHT OF SO MUCH AMERICAN HISTORY AND NATURAL BEAUTY WILL BE LOST.

THE CRUISE LINE MIGHT FILL LOCAL COFFERS, BUT WHAT PRICE CAN BE PUT ON THE LOSS OF THE BEAUTY AND SERENITY NOW ENJOYED BY LOCAL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE, PLEASE, AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LOOK INTO YOUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SENSIBILITIES TO SAVE WHAT LITTLE HAS NOT BEEN T TAINTED BY POOR PLANNING FOR CAPITAL GAIN.

GIVE MR. FRANKLIN'S QUOTE, SERIOUS CONTEMPLATION.

SINCERELY, PETER DEAN, LANCASTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UH, ANYONE ELSE? OH, YES MA'AM.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? MY NAME'S TERRY HOTS AND I LIVE AT 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.

UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN, UM, REGARDING THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES.

UM, IT WOULD BE A VERY NEGATIVE THING TO HAVE THEM COME TO YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

UM, AND THE SADDEST PART IS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD TIME AND TIME AGAIN BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS.

AND YET WE HAVE FOIA DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW, UM, THAT ON 1220 OF 22, A LETTER FROM SHEILA KNOWLES AND THOMAS SHEPHERD WAS WRITTEN, UH, TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO, UM, ACQUIRE $15 MILLION.

UM, SO I THINK THEY DID KNOW ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I, UM, AND WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A CALENDAR THAT SHOWS

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AND IT'S KIND OF DISHEARTENING BECAUSE THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

UM, SO AGAIN, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE CONSIDER TAKING PRINCESS CRUISE LINES OUT OF, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS NO BUSINESS COMING HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UH, ANYONE ELSE? ANY? OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL FOR PRESENTING YOUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE RECORD.

UH, AND AT THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE

[Application No. UP-1018-23, Michael Tyndall Enterprises, Inc.: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (Category 15, No. 4b) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a contractor’s shop with outdoor/exposed storage on a 0.2-acre parcel (GPIN S04d-2937-0558) located at 2927 George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17). The property is zoned GB (General Business) and is designated General Business in the Comprehensive Plan.]

UH, STAFF WILL PROVIDE A PRESENTATION, UH, FOR COMMISSIONERS AND QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHTY FOLKS.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AN APPLICATION, UM, NUMBER U P 1 0 1 8 2 3.

AND THIS IS FOR A CONTRACTOR'S SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE AT 2 9 2 7 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, UH, THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE.

THAT'S THAT 29 27 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ALL ZONE, GENERAL BUSINESS, UM, AND R 20.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE ALL DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS IN THE COMP PLAN, INCLUDING THAT R 20 PARCEL IN THE REAR THERE.

AND THAT'S JUST AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS AERIAL IS FROM 2021 AND THE MATERIALS YOU SEE IN THE BACK THERE HAVE ACTUALLY MOSTLY BEEN REMOVED.

UM, SO WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THAT IS OUT A LITTLE BIT OUT OF DATE.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SKETCH PLAN.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE, HE SHOWS HIS EXISTING BUILDING, UM, THAT IS 1496 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S AN EXISTING CONTRACTOR SHOP.

UM, APPLICANT HAS BEEN IN THAT BUILDING SINCE 2011 IN THE REAR.

THE APPLICANT ALSO SHOWS A 152 SQUARE FOOT CAR CONTAINER THAT IS ON SITE, AND THAT CONTAINS SOME MATERIALS.

AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL KIND OF MISCELLANEOUS BUILDING MATERIALS IN A TRAILER IN THE REAR THERE.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SKETCH PLAN DEPICTS THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH WOOD PRIVACY FENCE SURROUNDING UP TWO SIDES OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN A SHARED EIGHT FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH SOME OVERGROWTH NEXT TO PENINSULA AUTOMOTIVE AS WELL AS A MESH GATE.

AND THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.

SO THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE SITE THERE.

UM, LOOKING FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, YOU'LL NOTICE YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF YOU LOOK BIT SOUTH TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE THAT EIGHT FOOT HIGH FENCE.

AND THEN THAT SIDE ACCESS DRIVE THAT GOES TO THE MOBILE HARM PARK IN THE REAR.

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER PHOTO.

THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THAT MESH GATE.

UM, AND THEN I DID MARK IN RED THERE, THE SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, PENINSULA AUTOMOTIVE, TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE THAT FENCE LINE IS.

THESE ARE TWO PHOTOS.

AGAIN, YOU SEE THAT CARGO CONTAINER WITH SOME BUILDING MATERIALS ALONGSIDE IT.

AND THEN ANOTHER PHOTO KIND OF LOOKING INTO THE MESH GATE AND THAT TRAILER THAT'S ON SITE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE MORE PHOTOS OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN, THAT'S THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.

AND WE SEE THAT EIGHT FOOT HIGH BOARD FENCE.

AND THEN ALSO THE EXISTING MATURE TREE LINE THAT BUFFERS THE PROPERTY FROM THE MOBILE HOME PARK IN THE REAR.

SO EXAMINING OUR SURROUNDING USES TO THE NORTH HERE, WE HAVE PENINSULA AUTOMOTIVE TO THE WEST.

WE HAVE TAB MOBILE HOME PARK, THAT'S A NON-CON, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING MOBILE HOME PARK IN R 20.

UM, TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE VARIOUS CONTRACTORS SHOPS.

AND THEN TO THE EAST WE HAVE THE INTERCHANGE WITH ROUTE 1 34.

AND JUST VACANT LAND OWNED, OWNED BY VDOT.

AGAIN, SOME MORE PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE THERE.

SO WE HAVE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND THEN LOOKING, THERE'S THAT ABUTTING ACCESS DRIVE INTO THE REAR, THE MOBILE HOME PARK JUST LOOKING SOUTH ON GEORGE WASHINGTON TOWARDS THOSE ADJACENT CONTRACTOR SHOPS ACROSS THE STREET TOWARDS THE INTERCHANGE AND THE VACANT LAND.

AND THEN LOOKING NORTH, WE HAVE PENINSULA AUTOMOTIVE AND THEN DARBY ROAD, RIGHT BEYOND THAT.

SO STAFF'S OR PROPOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE RESOLUTION.

UM, WE WOULD INVOKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HAVE OPAQUE FENCING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PRESENT ON SITE.

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WE ALSO HAVE CONDITIONS WHICH ARE PROPOSED AT THE REQUEST OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY THAT HAVE TO DO WITH COMPLIANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE AND THE STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

SO KIND OF WRAPPING UP SOME CONCLUSIONS, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS, WE FEEL ADEQUATELY SCREENED FROM ADJACENT VIEWS, GIVEN THE EXISTING FENCE.

AND AGAIN, THAT LARGE WOODED BUFFER IN THE REAR THERE.

BACKING UP TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

UM, REALLY GIVEN THE SURROUNDING USES, WE FEEL THIS WOULD HAVE LIMITED IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

UM, ALL THE SURROUNDING USES ARE EITHER SIMILAR SHOPS, CONTRACTOR SHOPS, ONE'S AN AUTO SHOP, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE MOBILE HOME PARK IS PRETTY WELL SCREENED AND WE FEEL THAT IT'S RELATIVELY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING MIX OF USES GIVEN, WELL, FRANKLY, GIVEN, YOU KNOW, HOW EVERYTHING'S DESIGNATED IN THE COMP PLAN AS WELL.

IT'S ALL GENERAL BUSINESS.

SO WITH THAT NOTE, STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION PC 23 DASH 20.

UM, IT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT FOR YOU TONIGHT.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN I CAN ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO.

YEP.

MS. , I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND TWO THINGS.

UM, YES.

WHAT'S THE VIEW OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT DOING THIS, ARE WE CREATING A BIGGER PROBLEM ALONG THAT STREET IN TERMS OF EVERYBODY ELSE THEN WANTING TO DO THE SAME? DOES IT BECOME MUCH MORE UNSIGHTLY? I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT GOTCHA.

WHAT THIS, UH, LEADS TO IN TERMS OF, UH, AN IMPLICATION.

OKAY.

WELL, TO BE FRANK, SO, UM, I DID WALK BACK TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK AND KIND OF, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU CAN'T SEE THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY FROM BACK THERE.

UM, FROM THE ACCESS DRIVE AGAIN, THE FENCE IS PRETTY HIGH.

AND SO UNLESS HE'S GOT BUILDING MATERIALS PEEKING ABOVE THAT CAN'T REALLY QUITE SEE WHAT'S THERE.

AND THEN FROM A REAR, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT PRETTY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF VINES IN THOSE TREES TOO.

SO YOU, THERE'S THE KIND OF PROVIDES THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THOSE USES.

UM, FRANKLY, AS FAR AS THE SURROUNDING USES ARE CONCERNED, I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO TO PENINSULA AUTOMATIC, THEY HAVE CARS ALL OVER THE PROPERTY.

A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE, YOU KNOW, GRANDFATHERED IN.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

SO LOOK, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THE ADJACENT CONTRACTOR SHOPS, THERE'S ALREADY KIND OF SOME ONGOING ZONING ISSUES WITH WHAT THEY HAVE INSTALLED.

AND STAFF ZONING STAFF RATHER, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO GET THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.

SO REALLY WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, IS HELPING THIS APPLICANT COME AND DO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE VIA GETTING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

DONE.

OKAY.

UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, WE'LL OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NAME WITH THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.

OKAY.

YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY, I'M OUT OF BREATH.

THANK YOU, .

GOOD EVENING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YEP, MY NAME'S UH, MICHAEL TYNDALL.

I LIVE AT 30 HOLLY STREET, POSA, VIRGINIA.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL HAS REFERENCE TO MY APPLICATION.

OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? MR. WARD? ONE QUICK QUESTION.

MR. TYNDALL, HOW IS IT FENCING? WHAT'S GONNA BE STORED BACK THERE? I HAVE A CONTAINER, JUST HAS SOME TOOLS AND, UH, SOME SAWS AND SOME DECKING BOARDS THAT DIDN'T WANNA KEEP OUTSIDE.

I'VE, UH, SINCE MY NOTICE FROM THE COUNTY, I, I'VE RENTED A INDOOR STORAGE SPACE IN OYSTER POINT PARK WHERE I KEEP, YOU KNOW, 95% OF MY MATERIAL NOW.

SO IT, IT'S NOT KEPT ON THAT SITE ANYMORE.

SO I'VE CLEANED THE, CLEAN THE SITE UP.

IT BECAME A BONE YARD AFTER 12 YEARS THERE.

I'M, I'M, I DO CUSTOM DECKS AND FENCES.

OCCASIONALLY WE GET SOME LEFTOVER MATERIAL.

IT KIND OF BUILT UP, IT KIND OF GOT OUTTA HAND, BUT WE'VE SINCE CLEANED IT UP AND IT'S LOOKING A WHOLE LOT BETTER DO.

VERY GOOD.

ONE QUESTION, DO YOU PLAN TO DO ANY MANUFACTURING IN THE STORAGE AREA? NO, SIR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

IF NOTHING ELSE, WE HAVE ONE, UM, PERSON SIGNED UP.

MIKE TYNDALL.

IS THAT YOU? THAT'S, YES, SIR.

DO YOU WANNA TALK SOME MORE ? UM, NO, IT'S MICHAEL TYNDALL ENTERPRISE IS BETTER, BETTER KNOWN AS MIKE TY'S CUSTOM DECKS IN FENCING.

IT'S JUST, THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU SIR.

ALRIGHT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNED UP.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

HAVING HEARD NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR COMMENTS.

NOTHING.

OKAY.

I, I'VE SEEN THE PROPERTY.

IT APPEARS TO BE WELL SCREENED.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT MR. TY'S BEST DEMONSTRATION OF HIS, UH, FENCING, BUT, UH, IT IS ADEQUATE TO HIDE EVERYTHING BACK THERE.

OKAY.

I SUPPORT IT.

I'M GLAD TO HAVE A, A, A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN THE COUNTY AND APPRECIATE YOU, UH, COMMITTING YOURSELF TO STAY HERE.

I THINK YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN THAT'S NECESSARY TO SCREEN WHAT YOU'RE STORING IN THE BACK THERE, YOUR TOOLS OR WHATEVER.

I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NO.

OKAY.

I CONCUR WITH MR. KING.

OKAY.

I DO TOO.

, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT WE SEND PC 23 DASH 20 TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT PC 23 DASH 20 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR EXPOSED STORAGE AT 29 27 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

MR. TITUS? YES.

MR. LEHAM? YES.

MR. KING? YES.

MR. KREER? YES.

MR. WASMER? YES.

MR. ROY? YES.

MR. SMITH? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, MOVING INTO, UH, OLD

[Charting the Course to 2040: The York County Comprehensive Plan: Commission discussion and consideration of a proposed resolution, pursuant to Section 15.2-2225 of the Code of Virginia, to approve, certify, and transmit to the Board of Supervisors a proposed updated Comprehensive Plan for York County. The draft Plan, titled Charting the Course to 2040: The York County Comprehensive Plan, is available for review on the York County website at www.york2040.com. ]

UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, THE OBJECTIVE OF TONIGHT'S, UM, AGENDA FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AND POINTS GATHERED FROM THE JUNE 14TH AND AUGUST 9TH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FOLLOW ON INPUTS RECEIVED ON A DRAFT UPDATED PLAN PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN MAY.

AND IF UPON COMPLETION OF THAT REVIEW, THE COMMISSION DETERMINES THIS IS COMPLETE AND THOROUGH, A COMPLETE AND THOROUGH REVIEW AND DONE SO IN CONSIDERATION OF ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT PLAN AND SUBMIT IT TO THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR CONSIDERATION OF ADOPTION.

UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW, UH, RESOLUTION PC 2321 R.

UM, AS THIS IS OLD BUSINESS, THERE WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC HEARING OR AS CITIZENS MAY COMMENT, RATHER, THIS IS TO CONCLUDE THE BUSINESS, UM, OF A PREVIOUS MEETING THAT DID HOLD A PUBLIC MAR UH, HEARING.

I WILL NOTE THAT THE COMM COMMISSION HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO PROVIDE A DELIVERABLE WE'VE BEEN TASKED IN, UH, ON A TIMETABLE THAT WE CHARTERED.

ADDING MORE TIME TO THIS PROCESS IS COUNTER TO THE REASON WE MADE THIS AN OPEN, TRANSPARENT, AND THOROUGH PROCESS THAT INCLUDED EQUAL ACCESS TO THIS YEAR LONG OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS AND CITIZEN GROUPS WITHOUT PREJUDICE, INCLUDING NOT ONE BUT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AFTER THE DRAFT WAS RELEASED IN MAY.

TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AN EMAIL RECEIVED YESTERDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 12TH, ADDRESSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FROM MR. RON STROBEL SIGNED AS A PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION.

IN HIS LETTER, HE DESCRIBES HE DOES NOT QUESTION ANYTHING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE PLAN THAT WE ARE REVIEWING TONIGHT.

RATHER, IT OBJECTS TO STATEMENTS MADE IN THE SUMMARY OF A AUGUST 9TH PUBLIC HEARING AND WITH STAFF'S ASSISTANCE.

WE WILL RESPOND TO THIS LETTER, BUT IT HAS NO BEARING ON TONIGHT'S RESOLUTION.

IN KEEPING WITH THE TIMELINE I DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE AGREEMENT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

UH, WE WILL CONTINUE ON OUR ESTABLISHED TRACK AND FINALIZE THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH REGARD TO THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION, WOULD THE STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING PC 2321 R? UM, JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE, UH, WHAT'S IN THAT ARE IN THE RESOLUTION.

UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, WE'VE HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TONIGHT FROM SEVEN CITIZENS, UH, FOUR OF WHOM HAVE SPOKEN, UH, BEFORE.

SO WE'VE HAD, UH, I BELIEVE 22 INDIVIDUALS, UH, ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE DRAFT PLAN.

AND THE, UH, RESOLUTION THAT WE PROVIDED YOU WITH RECOMMENDS CERTAIN REVISIONS.

UH, IN RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS, UH, I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON 'EM BRIEFLY.

UH, THE MAIN TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, UH, AS FAR AS CITIZEN COMMENTS HAS BEEN THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN, UH, MENTIONED BY BELIEVE, UH, 11 CITIZENS WHO SPOKEN IN OPPOSITION.

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UH, THERE IS A, THERE'S A BRIEF PARAGRAPH IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT THAT JUST REFERENCES, UH, THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN MADE.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT HARMS THE PLAN ANY TO JUST TAKE THAT PARAGRAPH OUT.

UH, HOWEVER, IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT IN, UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, BECAUSE, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LANGUAGE WAS FIRST PUT IN.

UH, SO IT'S, UH, OUT OF DATE, UH, IN CERTAIN, AS CERTAIN RESPECTS.

AND, BUT ALSO WE ADDED SOME REFERENCES, UH, AS, AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, PRESERVING, UH, PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN.

SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

UH, YOU CAN JUST TAKE OUT THE PARAGRAPH ALTOGETHER, UH, UH, OR YOU CAN PROVIDE, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, LANGUAGE.

IS THIS IN REFERENCE TO THE PARAGRAPH ON, I GUESS IT'S PAGE SEVEN, PARDON ME, OF THE SUMMARY? PAGE TWO.

I THINK IT'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION ATTEMPT, RIGHT, MR. CHAIR? IT'S PAGE SEVEN OF THE SUMMARY.

YEAH, SEVEN SEVEN OF THE SUMMARY.

I'M SORRY.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT'S ALSO IN THE PC 2321 R ON OF THE RESOLUTION.

CORRECT.

IT'S, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY PAGE SIX OF THE, UH, OF THE SUMMARY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR RESOLUTION, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY, UH, ON PAGE TWO, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT.

SO, UH, SO BASICALLY, AS I SAID, YOU COULD EITHER JUST TAKE OUT THE PARAGRAPH ALTOGETHER, YOU CAN REVISE IT.

UH, IT'S, IT'S YOUR PLEASURE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

UH, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT HARMS ANYTHING JUST TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE ALTOGETHER.

WE DID AT THE WORK SESSION THERE, THERE WAS SORT OF A FEELING THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I, IF I MAY, I, I, I KIND OF CONCUR WHAT, UH, MR. CROSS IS SAYING BY REMOVING IT.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE THAT, UH, MOVED OR TAKEN OUT OF THE PLAN.

I WILL NOTE, HOWEVER, THERE IS THE LAST HALF OF THAT STATEMENT IS, UH, PUT THERE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE GOAL OF IT IS TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF, OF THE, OF YORKTOWN.

AND THAT IT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHOUT ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT REALLY SERVES A, UH, AN IMPORTANT ROLE BY LEAVING SOME OF THAT IN THERE.

UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT'S EXPLICIT IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I'D BE IN FAVOR OF TAKING IT ALL OUT TOGETHER.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS OF YORKTOWN WANT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PURPOSE IT SERVES BEING IN THERE OTHER THAN, UH, STATING THAT THE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND IF THE CRUISE SHIP, IF WERE TO EVER COME, AND IT'S, IT'S DEMONSTRATED THAT IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE BEAUTY AND CHARACTER OF LIFE, UM, THAT IT SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THAT I, I AGREE WITH MR. KING AND A LOT OF THINGS THERE, ESPECIALLY THE SECOND HALF OF THAT PARAGRAPH.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO BE IN THERE.

BUT IT'S A MATTER OF ALSO, IF WE TAKE IT OUT, THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY AT ALL BECAUSE IF THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE IS GONNA GO FORWARD WITH OR WITHOUT THIS BEING IN THIS, THIS PLAN, I MEAN, I, IT, THE PLAN IS NOT RELEVANT TO WHETHER IT'S IN OR OUT, AND WHETHER PRESIDENT'S CRUISE LINES COMES HERE OR NOT.

IT'S NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, MY THOUGHT WAS IF WE LEAVE IT IN, AT LEAST IT LETS THE CITIZENS KNOW IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT WHAT IS GOING FORWARD.

'CAUSE WE HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST, THE CITIZENS WERE BLINDSIDED BY PRINCESS PAN, PRINCESS CRUISE LINE COMING HERE.

SO THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT THAT AND BE SO IT WAS TRANSPARENCY.

I THINK WE'D LEAVE IT IN IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT THAT WAY THAN TAKE IT OUT.

BUT, UH, IT HAS NO BEARING.

IF I'M, IF I MAY, I, I WOULD JUST, UM, ADD THAT, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. BOWDITCH WHO SPOKE ABOUT THIS, UH, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND HIS POINT WAS THAT BY HAVING IT IN THE PLAN, EVEN REFERENCING IT, IT IT MIGHT BE CONSTRUED AS GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEHOW THE PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IS ENDORSING THE PROPOSAL.

UH, AND THAT WAS THE, THE CONCERN THAT HE, UH, ARTICULATED WHEN HE SPOKE AT THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING.

I'D BE INCLINED TO PUT IN A, A PARAGRAPH THAT STATED THAT THERE'S GREATER THAN 5,000 CITIZENS WHO HAVE SHOWN, UM, A DESIRE NOT TO HAVE THE CRUISE SHIPS, UH, IN YORKTOWN FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

BE IT, BE IT NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE ANYTHING IN, IT'S GOTTA BE BALANCED WITH A MESSAGE THAT IT IS

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THAT'S MORE THAN SOME, IT'S NOT 70.

I'D BE MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D BE HESITANT TO QUOTE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I WOULDN'T EITHER.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT, UH, GOAL HERE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS IN NEW YORKTOWN, WE SHOULDN'T DETRACT FROM HIS HISTORICAL CHARACTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NECESSARY, UH, REASON WHY WE HAVE TO STATE PRINCESS CRUZ'S LINE IN THERE.

YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IT.

WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, AND I'VE HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, UH, THAT, UH, IT WASN'T AS TRANSPARENT.

WE DON'T MAKE THOSE CALLS.

IT'S NOT US.

IT'S HAPPENING.

UH, OR IT MAY OR MAY NOT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.

OUR GOAL IS PRIMARILY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO IF THERE'S DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION TO PUT A STATEMENT IN THERE SAYING THE LAST PARAGRAPH'S PRETTY GOOD, WE COULD JUST REWORD IT A LITTLE BIT.

YEP.

UH, THAT SAYS IT ALL AND REMOVE EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT.

UH, AND SO THE CRUISE LINE IS NOT NECESSARILY IN THERE, AND WE'RE JUST MAKING A STATEMENT THAT IF ANY SUCH ACTIVITY WERE TO OCCUR, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF YORKTOWN.

I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE MIDDLE OF THE GROUND HERE.

UM, CAN WE RECOMMEND WHAT PORTION OF THAT PARAGRAPH SPECIFICALLY, AND WE CAN RECORD THAT TONIGHT AS PART OF OUR RESERVATION? IF Y'ALL AREN'T MAKING CHANGES TO THAT, I JUST WANNA COME ON RECORD THAT I, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF JUST REMOVING IT COMPLETELY.

OKAY.

IF THE IDEA IS NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WHY IS IT, WHY IS IT THERE? I AGREE THAT, UH, AT THIS POINT, IF THE CAT'S OUT OF THE BAG, EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT.

THANK GOD.

IT'S, AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S FUNNY.

IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE I HEARD ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SO THIS PROCESS DID BRING IT TO THE FOREFRONT, BUT NOW PEOPLE KNOW.

AND, BUT I DON'T THINK, UNLESS I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF OUR PLAN AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAR ENOUGH ALONG.

THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

WELL, KEEP IN MIND ON NUMBER FIVE, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ALSO TALK ABOUT IT UNDER PUBLIC FACILITIES ABOUT, UM, YEAR-ROUND VISITATION YORK GENERAL MANNER THAT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE VILLAGES HISTORIC CHARM AND CHARACTER AND THE RESIDENT'S QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO WE ALL, WE HAVE THAT IN THERE ALREADY.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, UH, BECAUSE IF, IF, IF, IF YOU LEAVE IN THE SECOND PART OF THAT PARAGRAPH AND TAKE OUT THE FIRST PART, THERE'S REALLY NO CONTEXT.

BUT I THINK YOU ACHIEVED, ACHIEVED THE SAME THING BY MAKING THAT CHANGE UNDER NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS ADDING THE LANGUAGE ABOUT, IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE VILLAGE'S HISTORIC CHARM AND CHARACTER AND THE RESIDENCE QUALITY OF LIFE.

UH, AND IF YOU WANTED TO, WE COULD ADD, UH, UH, MISS, UH, TAYLOR, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT SHE, UH, HAVE RECOMMENDED ABOUT, UH, ADVERSELY AFFECTING WATER QUALITY IN THE ECOSYSTEM.

I, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AND WE'D ELIMINATE THE WHOLE SECTION UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I'M SATISFIED.

I WOULD BE GOOD.

AGREE.

I THINK WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF, OKAY, SO WE'RE TAKING OUT THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH ONE, THAT PARAGRAPH, UH, UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

YEP.

OKAY.

UH, MOVING.

OKAY.

SO, SO DOES THAT REQUIRE MOTION BEFORE? NO, NO, NO.

WE'LL, WE'LL, I THINK WE JUST VOTE ON VOTE.

DO 'EM ALL TOGETHER.

YOU TAKE A VOTE AT THE END AFTER YOU REACH CONSENSUS ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS. OKAY.

WELL, IT'S ALREADY AN R SO THIS WILL MAKE IT PC 23 DASH 21 R ONE.

UH, AND THE REASON THAT THE, WE GAVE THE RESOLUTION AS AN R IS THAT WE MADE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF CHANGES AFTER THE RESOLUTION WENT OUT.

UM, MR. HORO HAD REQUESTED THAT WE UPDATE THE CRIME AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DATA, UM, THAT APPEARS IN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES ELEMENT UNDER, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT PUBLIC SAFETY.

UH, AT THE TIME THE DRAFT WAS WRITTEN, UH, THAT WAS THE MOST RECENT DATE AVAILABLE FROM THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE.

UM, BUT WE HAVE NOW UPDATED IT.

SO YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR REVISED RESOLUTION, UH, PUBLIC FACILITIES ELEMENT, PAGE 1 49, 1 50.

YOU CAN SEE THERE THE CHANGES TO THE TEXT.

AND THEN, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE REVISIONS TO TABLE ONE, WHICH SHOWS THE RATIO OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO POPULATION, UH, AS WELL AS PUBLIC, UH, FACILITIES.

FIGURE ONE SHOWS THE PERCENT CHANGE, IN INSTANCE, OF CRIME PER A THOUSAND, UH, POPULATION.

UH, SO, UH, WE MADE THAT CHANGE AT MR. ROY'S REQUEST QUEST.

I THOUGHT THAT CAPTURED IT VERY WELL.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THANK MR. ANDERSON.

HE, UH, THAT'S HIS ELEMENT, AND HE, HE DID THAT WORK.

AND WELL, IT WAS A LOT HARDER THAN YOU MIGHT'VE YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.

BUT

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WE, UH, WE TRIED TO FIND, TO USE THE MOST UPTODATE, UH, DATA SOURCES THAT WE CAN.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT NUMBER FIVE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL WANTED TO, UH, LEAVE THAT IN THERE AS REVISED, OR, WELL, I GUESS, UH, DID WE, DID WE REACH AGREEMENT ON ADDING THE, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED TONIGHT? I'M IN FAVOR.

YES.

I THINK SO.

THERE A CONSENSUS ON THAT.

WE'LL JUST NEED THOSE WORDS.

YES, I'VE ASKED HER TO PROVIDE THAT TO US.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT IN THE RESOLUTION.

OKAY.

UM, NEXT, NUMBER SIX.

UH, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ACTUALLY WE INITIATED.

I MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES US TO, UM, SEND THE, UH, DRAFT PLAN TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, SO THEY CAN REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH, UH, STATE TRANSPORTATION PLANS.

UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A FORMAL RESPONSE, UH, BUT I DID, UH, GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE, UH, VDOT EMPLOYEE IN THE SUFFOLK DIS OR HAMPTON ROADS DISTRICT OFFICE.

UM, AND SHE WAS, SHE SAID EVERYTHING LOOKED FINE.

AND SHE, UH, SHE, SHE ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PROJECT TO ADD A, A, UH, DEBY BOULEVARD INTERCHANGED I 64, AND THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON DEBY BOULEVARD.

UH, WE TALK IN THE, WE EVEN IN THE DRAFT PLAN, WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED TO IMPROVE DENBY BOULEVARD, THE PROJECTED TRAFFIC GROWTH THERE.

UH, BUT SINCE SHE MADE THAT COMMENT, UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST CHANGED THAT DESCRIPTION A LITTLE BIT TO REFERENCE THAT INTERCHANGE PROJECT, UH, SINCE IT'LL HAVE AN EFFECT ON DEN BOULEVARD.

SO THAT'S, UH, NUMBER SIX THERE UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.

THE, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, WE, UH, UH, WE MADE A WORDING CHANGE, UH, ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE IN THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT REGARDING THE NEED TO PURSUE FUNDING FOR BOTH, UH, CAPACITY ENHANCING AND SAFETY RELATED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

UH, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A, UH, COMMENT FROM, UH, UH, MR. CHAMBERLAIN, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

DIDN'T SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT, UH, HE SPOKE AT THE BOTH PREVIOUS PUBLIC, UH, HEARINGS.

AND, UH, WHAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE, UH, WAS, UH, THE SUGGESTION, UH, THAT HE MADE REGARDING DESIGNATING A PERCENTAGE OF FUTURE BUDGET SURPLUSES, THE EARMARK FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT BECAUSE YOU ALL DISCUSSED THAT AT YOUR JUNE 22ND WORK SESSION, AND DECIDED THAT THAT'S REALLY A BUDGET DECISION TO BE MADE YEAR BY YEAR BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT SOMETHING TO PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THAT WAS NOT, UH, ADDED TO THE RESOLUTION.

IF YOU HAD A CHANGE OF HEART, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN PUT IT, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE, BUT AS OF NOW, UH, IT'S NOT, UH, IN THERE.

SO THAT'S, UH, THE, THE WORDING CHANGE IS UNDER TRANSPORTATION STRATEGY 1.1.

UH, MOVING ON TO THE LAND USE ELEMENT, WE MADE A WORDING CHANGE TO THE DISCUSSION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

UH, THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF MR. HOWELL, WHO WAS ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, BUT DID NOT SPEAK, BUT HE DID SPEAK AT THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WHERE WE CHANGED THE WORD FEELINGS TO POSITIONS IN REGARD TO PEOPLE EXPRESSING, UH, THEIR OPINIONS ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND, UH, THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO THAT.

UH, AGAIN, WE DID NOT ADD GUIDELINES FOR STR, UH, BECAUSE YOU ALL DISCUSSED THIS AT THE WORK SESSION, AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS NOT TO DO.

SO, UH, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE BOARD PLANS TO TAKE UP THIS ISSUE EARLY NEXT YEAR.

AND UNTIL THEN, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO PREDETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THAT DISCUSSION.

UH, AND WE'D RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST LET THE PROCESS PLAY OUT IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF 2024.