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HI.GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO WORK SESSION FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, SEPTEMBER THE FIFTH, 2023.
THIS IS REBA, ER, THIS IS NOEL.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORM.
[1* Dominion Energy Presentation. Receive update from Crystal Bright, External Affairs Manager. ]
THIS EVENING WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS.UH, FIRST ONE WILL BE FROM DOMINION POWER.
WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO INVITE, UH, MS. UH, CRYSTAL BRIGHT TO COME FORWARD AND, UH, GIVE HER A PRESENTATION AND FILED THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCEDURES.
UH, UH, WE CALL, CALL AT THAT TIME ON TO, ON NEIL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO, TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.
SO MY COLLEAGUE DAVID ROW, AND I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, KINGS CREEK SOLAR.
AND DAVID WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE YORKTOWN POWER STATION DECOMMISSIONING.
SO AS FAR AS KINGS CREEK SOLAR, UM, IT WILL BE IN SERVICE THE SECOND QUARTER OF 2025.
WE ARE GONNA BE BUILDING IT ON THE, WHAT WE CALL A BROWNFIELD.
IT IS THE FORMER NAVY UNDERGROUND FUEL STORAGE LOCATION.
IT'LL PRODUCE ABOUT 20 MEGAWATTS.
I'M SURE IT'LL BE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
IT WAS INITIALLY CONTRACTED BY K D C KINGS CREEK SOLAR DOMINION ENERGY NOW OWNS IT.
MS. BRIGHT, IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT 20 KILOWATTS DIESELS ABOUT KILOWATTS.
MEGAWATTS,
HOW MANY? BUT I CAN LET YOU KNOW.
IF YOU GO EIGHT MILES
I INCLUDED IT TWICE IN THIS PRESENTATION, SO I APOLOGIZE.
BUT THE S E C HAS APPROVED IT, UM, FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND DO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE SENT OUT LETTERS TO ALL THE RESIDENTS, WHICH ARE ABOUT 136 RECIPIENTS BACK IN APRIL, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT WAS COMING.
BEFORE WE GO TO YORKTOWN POWER STATION, WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING KINGS CREEK SOLAR IN THAT PROJECT? WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU, THAT, THAT YOU MESSAGED? I RECEIVED ONE EMAIL OR IN ONE CALL JUST ASKING EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS.
NO OTHER FEEDBACK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO GOOGLE SAYS ONE MEGAWATT POWERS 750 HOUSES
CLAY SLICE OF YOUR COUNTY IS A GOD'S COUNTRY.
WELL, I MEAN, IF IT WAS ALL IN YOUR, I MEAN, I THINK IT JUST GOES ONTO THE GRID, BUT IF IT WAS ALL IN WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IF IT WAS ALL IN YOUR COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE, MORE THAN HALF OF ALL THE HOUSES IN YORKTOWN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S JUST BRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA SWITCH IT OVER TO DAVID.
HE'LL TALK ABOUT YORKTOWN POWER STATION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DAVID.
WE'VE ALL MET I THINK BEFORE, SO, UM, WELL, THANK YOU SIR.
UM, DEMOLITION OF THE COAL UNITS, UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE, THE BOILERS, ALL THAT WRAPPED UP, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, THERE'S STILL SOME STRUCTURE THERE STANDING MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU RIDE BY, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT.
UM, AND OF COURSE THE OIL UNIT WAS RETIRED ON MAY 31 OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH DECOMMISSIONING ACTIVITIES AS OF NOW.
DECOMMISSION, LIKE CLEANING, DISCONNECTING FROM THE GRID, SELLING TRANSFORMERS IF WE CAN.
UH, EVERYTHING HASN'T BEEN REMOVED YET AS FAR AS UNIT THREE YET, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON PLANS ON THAT, LIKE THE
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STACK.AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE LAND? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I, THAT'S THE MILLION, THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
THAT IS THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
SO IT HAS BEEN THROWN OUT THERE FOR, UH, SMALL WIDE NUCLEAR REACTORS, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WHAT? MODULAR NUCLEAR REACTORS.
UM, IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR SMALL COMBUSTION TURBINES.
WHAT KIND OF BATTERY STORAGE? I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST KNOW IT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FOR THAT SOME, IF I MAY, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, WHAT'S BEEN PROVIDING US WITH ELECTRICITY FOR, I'M THINK YEARS NOW'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SHUT DOWN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SHUT DOWN.
SO ELECTRICITY, BUT WE'RE STILL GETTING ELECTRICITY.
SO WHERE'S THAT COMING FROM TO DEGREE GRID? VERY SIMILAR.
BUT THE POINT IS WHERE'S THAT GRID? UH, IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL, PHYSICALLY LOCATED PARTS OF THE GRID? UH, THE CLOSEST STATION HERE AS FAR AS ANY MAGNITUDE IS SURY SUR SUR SURVEY.
AND THEN, BUT ALL THE GRID IS TRANSMISSION LINES.
DOES A FAVOR TALK? THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, RAISING, TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GRID SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
I'M ON THE GENERATION SIDE, SO I'LL, I'LL DO MY BEST.
SO THE GRID IS BASICALLY, IT'S TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.
IT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF MOVING IN AND OUT OF TEXAS.
UM, SO YOUR GENERATORS HIT THE GRID, PRODUCE ELECTRICITY, WHATEVER THE LOAD IS.
UH, AND THEN TRANSMISSION LINES.
SO EVERYBODY REMEMBER SKIFFS CREEK, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE TRANSMISSION LINE.
SO THE COAL UNITS HUNG AROUND TILL SKIPS CREEK WAS COMPLETED AND THAT WAS PUT, AND THEN SIRI CAME ON CONNECTED THROUGH THE SKIFFS CREEK, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT, THAT TOOK, THAT TOOK UP THE LOAD, BASICALLY.
AND YOU HAVE SMALL PICKER CTS OVER THERE BY SURREY CALLED GRAVEL NECK.
AND THEN IT GOES AND THROUGH TRANSFORMERS AND SUBSTATIONS, UM, GOES DOWN TO DISTRIBUTION, WHICH IS HOW WE ALL GET OUR LIGHTS.
SO IS THE WORD SOLAR, IS THAT A FANCY WORD FOR GENERATORS? SOLAR'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GENERATION.
SO WHETHER IT'S WIND, WHETHER IT'S SOLAR, WHETHER IT'S GAS TURBINES, WHICH BURN NATURAL GAS, WHETHER IT'S NUCLEAR, THAT'S THE FUEL THAT'S USED BASICALLY FOR.
SO CONCEPTUALLY, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF EACH OF THESE JUST MENTIONED? UH, PERCENTAGE.
UM, THE LAST TIME I LOOKED FOR P J M, ON A NORMAL DAY, SAY COALS ABOUT 30 NATURAL GAS IS PROBABLY IN THE FORTIES TO FIFTIES.
UM, AND THEN YOU GET YOUR RENEWABLES, YOUR WIND AND OFFSHORE AND ALL THAT EAGLE CYLINDER.
NUCLEAR IN NUCLEAR, OF COURSE NUCLEARS THAT DAY.
WE, AT LEAST IN THE UPPER COUNTY, WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OUTAGE AS FAR AS, AS I CAN REMEMBER NOW.
WE HAVE 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 YEARS AGO.
BUT THAT IS THE RETAIL SIDE THAT CRYSTAL HANDLES.
HEY, ANY HAD QUESTION TWO, TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, YOU SAID THAT THE COAL, UH, BURNERS ARE SHUT DOWN.
ALL THE COAL HANDLING EQUIPMENT, ASH HANDLING EQUIPMENT AND EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE COAL UNITS HAS BEEN DISMANTLED.
SO THERE'S NO POWER BEING GENERATED FROM THAT STATION.
THE ACTUAL GENERATORS, THE MAGNETS, THE THINGS, THEY'RE ALL GONE.
EXCEPT FOR UNIT THREE, THE OIL UNIT IS STILL THERE.
'CAUSE WE JUST SHUT THAT DOWN.
UH, AS FAR AS THE COAL ASH, THE FLY ASH MM-HMM.
THE LANDFILLS HAVE BEEN CAPPED AND CLOSED.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CLEANING THOSE OUT NOW.
AND IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD WRAP UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND WE NEVER CAME CLOSE TO THE MAX CAPACITY FOR THAT.
UH, I WOULD SAY IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAME CLOSE TO THE, TO THE MAX CAPACITY.
IT'S GONNA BE, ACTUALLY, IF WE CALL THAT WAS GONNA BE THE HIGHEST OBJECT ON THE PENINSULA.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE VERTICAL EXPANSION WAS APPROVED? EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, THAT NEVER WENT INTO EFFECT.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO VERTICAL EXPANSION.
SO THOSE OF US AROUND THE TABLE WHO ARE SLOW ME, OKAY.
UH, WE'RE SHUTTING EVERYTHING DOWN.
WE ALMOST SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN.
IF NOT, WHAT'S IT BEING REPLACED WITH AGAIN? THE SOLAR AT THE, AT THE SITE.
NOTHING AT, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S ALL THAT BEING REPLACED WITH THE GENERATE THE ELECTRICITY WE'VE ENJOYED FOR 18 YEARS.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN REPLACED WITH BASICALLY NATURAL GAS RIGHT NOW.
AND AS MORE SOLAR COMES ON, SOLAR WILL START REPLACING THE SOLAR POSITIONS OR THE SOLAR LOCATIONS ARE BURNING THE NATURAL GAS, SOLAR LOCATIONS.
YOU RAISED AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
AS IT AS ONE GOES DOWN, THE OTHER COMES UP.
SO THAT, DOES THAT KEEP THE SAME GENERATION ALONG THE LINE? RIGHT.
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YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ON P J M OR EVEN THE DOMINION SITES, IF YOU CAN GET TO 'EM YOUR ACTUAL LOAD FOR THE STATE.SO YOU HAVE TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WITH SOMETHING.
SO WHETHER IT'S BATTERIES, WHETHER IT'S GAS, WHETHER IT'S COAL, WHETHER IT'S NUCLEAR, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU HAVE TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS IN THE EVENING.
THE LOAD IS STILL UP, BUT THE SOLAR IS TRENDING DOWN WITH RENEWABLES FOR SOLAR.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST BIG PROJECT ONE IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
THIS IS THE FIRST BIG ONE IN YOUR COUNTY, RIGHT? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
WHAT'S THAT? THE ONE, THE ONE THAT OFF PENMAN RIGHT UP THERE.
THERE'S SOME BIGGER ONES OUT IN PALATAN.
UM, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ALL THE WHITE IN THAT AREA, SOME BIGGER ONES.
THESE ARE ALL ENCLOSED I GUESS FROM ALL ENCLOSED FENCED OFF.
SECURITY MEASURES ARE IN PLACE.
SO WHENEVER I READ THE PAPER ABOUT IT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SO-CALLED THREAT, THE GRID IS VERY MUCH ON THE LIST OF TARGETS.
I'M SURE THAT WHETHER IT'S DOMINION ENERGY OR WHOEVER YOU GUYS AND LADIES ARE, KIND OF THINK THROUGH THAT TO MINIMIZE ANY DESTRUCTION.
THERE IS A LOT GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO MITIGATE THAT.
AND THAT'S, IT'S A LOT OF SECURITY MEASURES.
IT'S ALL, I'M GONNA ELABORATE ON THAT.
IT MAKES YOU SLEEP MORE PEACEFUL.
BUT YEAH, IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER.
LET'S GO AHEAD IN THAT, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, UH, OF COURSE THE OIL UNIT, UH, MUTUAL SHUTDOWN AGREEMENT WAS SENT TO THE D E Q ON THE 30TH OF AUGUST.
SO, UM, WAIT FOR HEAR FROM D E Q BACK ON THAT.
UM, AND PLANS ARE BEING DEVELOPED FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CLEANING TANKS AND OIL PIPING.
UM, SO, UM, THAT SHOULD BEGIN.
SOME OF IT'S ALREADY BEGUN, BUT IT SHOULD WRAP UP SOMETIME IN 24.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS STAFFING, UH, WE WILL REDUCE STAFFING FROM JANUARY ONE.
THERE WILL BE STAFFING THERE ON SITE, WHICH WILL BE FOUR INDIVIDUALS.
UM, AND ALL THE OTHER STAFF HAS FOUND OTHER JOBS WITHIN DOMINION.
UM, AND NOBODY HAS TO MOVE AND NOBODY HAS TO TRAVEL.
UH, SOME HAVE ELECTED TO RETIRE, SO, SO WE WILL KEEP THE WAREHOUSE THERE.
THE SUBSTATION WILL REMAIN MM-HMM.
SO WITH PARTS AND PIECES FROM GE, GENERAL ELECTRIC AND THE SOLAR DEPOT, WHICH WILL BE THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE MAINTAINING THE SOLAR.
UM, WILL HAVE OFFICES THERE AND THEY'LL BE THERE RARELY, BUT THEY WILL HAVE A OFFICE AT THE WAREHOUSE.
WHAT'S CT? COMBUSTION TURBINES.
SO IF YOU CT IS, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH, IT'S BASICALLY A 7 57 7 47 JET ENGINE USE GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
CAN BURN NATURAL GAS AND SOME OF 'EM CAN BURN ACTUALLY FUEL.
SO LIVING IN THE UPPER COUNTY, UH, OFTEN WE SEE VERY LONG TRAINS COMING WITH EACH CAR LOADED WITH BLACK STUFF CALLED COAL.
UM, WHERE'S THAT GONNA GO? THAT IS PROBABLY AT THE SHIPYARD, PROBABLY SHIPPED OVERSEAS PROBABLY FROM DOMINION TERMINAL.
THERE'S DOWN THE NEWS THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO COAL EXPORT FACILITIES AT THE TIP OF THE PENINSULA.
SO PROBABLY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THIS, THE BIG STACK AND WE SEE THE STEEL FRAME STRUCTURE.
UH, OVER WHAT TIME PERIOD IS THAT STUFF LIKELY TO BE DEMOLISHED? THERE'S NO SET TIME FOR IT.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE MAKING PLANS TO, UM, DEMOLISH THAT.
UM, BEST GUESS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE SOMETIME IN 24 TO BEGIN AND NOT COMPLETE UNTIL 25 OR 26.
BEST GUESS I'D LIKE TO URGE YOU TO KEEP THE SMOKE STACK UP.
UH, IT'S A GREAT, UH, NAVIGATION BEACON.
AND UH, IT'S USED BY MANY OF US.
IF YOU CAN FORESEE THAT TO PUT IT IN YOUR BUDGET TO DO THE MAINTENANCE ON
UM, SO, UH, NOW YOU GUYS HAD, UM, AN INLET THERE.
UH, THE, THE COOL FOR COOLING WATER AND ALL THAT.
ANY OF THAT BEING CHANGED OUT? ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE IT ALONE? NO, SIR.
THERE'S TWO NAVIGATIONAL HAZARD WARNING LIGHTS OUT THERE THAT'LL BE MAINTAINED.
FOR THE INTAKE AND THEN MAINTAINING THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY DOWN THERE BY THE RIVER.
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OKAY.WHAT ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE TO BRIEF OR IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT, SIR.
WELL, WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT THAT ONE QUESTION FOR THE SUPERVISORS WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT KILLED US TO SEE YOU GUYS GO 'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT $4 MILLION TAX REVENUE IS COMING FROM, UH, FROM DOMINION.
SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS WHAT THAT WILL, THE NEW, UH, WITH THE SOLAR PANELS AND EVERYTHING BEING OUT THERE.
I'M SURE THAT'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME TAX COLLECTION ON THAT.
SO YOU GUYS GOT ANY IDEA WHAT THAT'S GONNA COME OUT TO? WELL, AS FAR AS THE SOLAR TAX YEAH.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A SOLAR PANEL IS WORTH OR YEAH, DON'T EITHER.
WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP NEIL CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR? SO WHAT I, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT UNDER STATE POLICY, THE TAX YIELD FOR LOCALITIES FOR SOLAR PANELS IS QUITE SMALL.
'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO CREATE INCENTIVES, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO CLEAN ENERGY.
WE'VE BEEN EXPECTING TO LOSE MORE.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY OPAQUE PROCESS.
THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION BASICALLY TELLS US WHAT IT'S WORTH.
AND THERE IT'S NOT ASSESSED LIKE OTHER PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
AND, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME LAG TIME AND MAYBE AS LONG AS THE STRUCTURES ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP GETTING VALUE FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, AS I EVEN HATE TO BRING IT UP 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS, BUT THERE WILL BE A GRADUAL DECREASE IN TAX REVENUE AS ALL OF THAT STUFF, UH, IS DEMOLISHED.
THE FLIP SIDE IS, IT SEEMS LIKE DOMINION HAS INVESTED A LOT IN UPGRADING, UH, THE GRID.
AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF POWER LINES AND SUBSTATIONS IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND SO IT JUST APPEARS WITHOUT, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A WINDOW INTO EXACTLY HOW VALUATION IS ESTABLISHED, BUT APPEARS LIKE TO SOME DEGREE THAT NEW INVESTMENT IN THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM SOMEWHAT HAS OFFSET THE DECLINE IN THE POWER STATION.
WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I MENTIONED THE TAX, ACTUALLY I, I USE THAT $4 MILLION THAT WAS, UH, AND WE PUT PLANES AND, AND UH, THE DOMINION IN THAT PILE TOGETHER.
I THINK THE POWER, I RECALL THAT THE DOMINIONS ONLY PAID ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF AND, UH, PLANES, THE REST OF IT CAME FROM PLANES.
SO TO SEEING THE, UM, THE LOSS FROM THOSE AREAS, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE DOMINION WENT OVER TO, UH, WAS A FORT ROYAL AND YOU PUT A NEW POWER PLANT IN OVER THERE, WHOLE ROYAL UP IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
AND THEN THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT OVER THERE THAT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T WANT, I REMEMBER THAT THEY WERE GOING, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT OVER, WE DON'T WANT IT.
I'M TOLD WE'LL COME BACK OVER HERE.
BUT, UH, I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY ENJOY THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING OUT OF THAT, UH, THAT POWER PLANT.
SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, CRYSTAL AND DAVE FOR BEING HERE.
UM, WE'RE MOST OF US IN THIS ROOM OWN HOMES? UM, WE USE ELECTRICITY.
THE BOTTOM LINE, IS IT GOING TO BE MORE COSTLY TO THE USER OF ELECTRICITY IN THIS REGION OR LESS? OR DON'T WE KNOW? IT'S HARD TO SAY BY THE REGION, BUT, UH, CRYSTAL COULD BACK ME UP ON THIS, BUT, UH, YOUR RATES ARE SET FOR THE WHOLE STATE.
SO FOR ALL OF US LIVING IN VIRGINIA, YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE RATE INCREASES WILL, THE RATES WILL INCREASE OR DIMINISH.
THE RATES ARE CURRENTLY SET AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW SET BY THE STATE CORPORATION.
HOW OFTEN ARE THEY LOOKED AT AND MODIFIED? EVERY TWO YEARS.
EVERY THINK SO, YEAH, EVERY TWO.
SO WHAT IF I WAS A BETTING MAN? UH, WHAT WOULD I BET ON IN TWO YEARS? I WOULD, IF YOU WERE A BETTING MAN GOING UP, I WOULD BET YOUR RATE STAY THE SAME, BUT YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MORE RIDERS ON YOUR YEAH.
SO SO ANOTHER WAY TO ASK THAT, MAYBE ASK THAT QUESTION IS, IS IT MORE OR LESS COSTLY TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY THROUGH SOLAR THAN IT IS THROUGH MORE TRADITIONAL, LESS, LESS FOR SOLAR.
IT COSTS YOU LESS TO GENERATE.
UM, THERE WAS A FIGURE, I'M NOT GONNA QUOTE IT RIGHT NOW, UM, 'CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IF THE CRYSTAL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS.
IF THE WIND FARM HAD BEEN IN SERVICE LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS? UH, NO.
AND IT WAS MILLIONS IN FUEL SAVINGS? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
IT WAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FUEL SAVINGS.
IF THAT HAD BEEN IN SERVICE FOR TWO YEARS, WE HAD ESTIMATED IT WOULD POWER 3,300 HOMES IS OVERPRODUCING.
WELL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS, HOW IT TURNS OUT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN WE WERE DOING NATURAL GAS AND COAL AND WE WERE BURNING, UH, AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, EVERYBODY SAVED, TURN OFF YOUR POWER SWITCH AND ALL
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THAT.AND THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS THAT THEN YOU, YOUR RATES WENT UP BECAUSE YOU STILL GOTTA PAY FOR THE FACILITIES.
YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THE PEOPLE AND EMPLOYEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, I GUESS WHEN THE CAPITAL PLAN, WHATEVER IT IS, TURNS OUT TO BE, UH, IN PLACE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR MAINTENANCE ON THE, THOSE, THOSE WIND GENERATORS ARE EXPENSIVE, REAL EXPENSIVE.
AND UH, AND THEN YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE AND THE PEOPLE TO HIRE TO DO THAT.
THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE DIFFERENT SKILLSET.
UM, UH, SOLAR PANELS, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT CHEAP, BUT, UH, UH, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPAIR AND MAINTAIN THOSE.
IF I WAS A BETTING MAN, I BET THAT THE RATES ARE GONNA GO UP, GUARANTEED TWO YEARS RATES ARE GONNA GO UP.
INFLATION DOESN'T GO AWAY, RATES ARE GONNA GO UP.
HOW ABOUT SOLAR PANELS ON HOMES? THAT WILL BE ON THE RETAIL AND THAT'D BE THROUGH BRIGHT SUITE, WHICH IS ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WE OWN THAT, THAT MARKET AS THOSE.
IF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION DIDN'T PUT UP A BIG FIGHT ABOUT IT.
THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, I'M A OWNER HOMEOWNER AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW AS A HOMEOWNER THROUGH THE MEDIA, WHATEVER MEDIA YOU WANT TO USE, ANY IDEA WHAT DOMINIONS AND, AND ITS, UH, COHORTS ARE PLANNING TO MARKET THIS.
THERE'S ALREADY BEEN MARKETING WITH IT.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MARKETING UHHUH AROUND THE WIND TURBINES OVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, BUT THERE'S MARKETING IN IT THERE, WHETHER YOU GET IT IN YOUR FLYER WITH YOUR BILL, IF YOU STILL GET A PAPER BILL AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S AD CAMPAIGNS AND STUFF UP THERE.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP YOU HERE ALL NIGHT, BUT, UH MM-HMM.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE GOT YOU HERE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M, I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IS THE WAY DOMINION POWER HAS COME ONLINE NOW WITH, UH, YOU CAN TRACK WHERE THE OUTAGES ARE.
AND WE'RE IN A ING SEASON, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLOBBERED YET FOR, UH, FOR A WHILE.
SO HAVE THEY MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROGRAM OR CAN YOU GIVE US KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT WE'VE GOT, UH, TO HELP US AND DURING A CRISIS WITH A HURRICANE, FOR EXAMPLE, LOSS OF POWER, I WILL DEFER TO CRYSTAL.
I WAS GONNA SAY, COME ON DOWN.
CRYSTALS THE WINNER SENDS OUT ALL THE INFORMATION.
WHILE WE GET THIS GOOD
SO THE, UH, OUTAGE MAP IS STILL THE SAME.
UM, THERE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING OVER TO A DIFFERENT VENDOR, BUT THE MAP WILL STILL REMAIN THE SAME.
UM, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL MAP THAT YOU ALL CAN USE CALLED THE MUNI PORTAL.
UM, THAT YOUR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND EVERYONE USES, AND IT OFFERS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
IT TELLS YOU WHEN THE POWER WENT OFF, UM, WHAT STATION IT COMES AT, OR WHAT DEVICE IT COMES FROM, WHAT OFFICE HANDLES IT, WHEN WE EXPECT POWER TO COME BACK ON.
PLUS YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE WHAT SPECIAL CONDITION CUSTOMERS ARE OUT.
SO 9 1 1 CENTERS, PUMPING STATIONS, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE ALL THAT OTHER GOOD INFORMATION.
SO CRYSTAL, THE, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS DURING, UH, ISABELLE MM-HMM.
ONE, I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY WON AN AWARD, UH, DEMEANS WON AN AWARD FOR ITS PLANT MANAGEMENT AROUND ITS POWER LINES.
SO I ASSUME THAT THAT'S STILL GOING ON, RIGHT? THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CUT, YOU TRIM BRANCHES OFF.
SO THAT, THAT PROGRAM STILL STILL IN PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IF SOMEBODY THAT'S POWER LINE GOES DOWN, WHO, WHO DO PEOPLE CALL? YOU CAN STILL CALL US.
YOU CAN CALL US 1-866-DOM-HELP OR 3 6 6 4 3 5 7.
YOU CAN, UM, GO ONLINE IF YOU STILL HAVE SERVICE AND GO UNDER UH, DOMINION ENERGY.COM AND PUT AN OUTAGE OR WE HAVE A NEW APP AND YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR APP.
AND YOU CAN ALSO TRACK YOUR OUTAGE ON THE APP.
AND IS THIS DO I DOMINION APP OR WHAT? YEAH, DOMINION ENERGY.
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OKAY.UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CORNER ON DOMINION POWER, SO TAKE OUR BRAIN.
WELL CRYSTAL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN TALKING TO US.
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ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT IS GONNA BE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.UM, UH, THE QUESTIONS CAME FROM OUR LAST MEETING A LOT ABOUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, DOGMA BUILDING AND, AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN THERE, THERE SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE CONFUSION AS TO HOW THINGS WORK.
SO NEIL HAS PUT TOGETHER SOME, UH, SOME PRESENTATION WITH THE STAFF.
UH, SO I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO DO TONIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS COVER SOME DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THEN IT'S KIND OF A SETUP FOR Y'ALL TO GIVE US INPUT ON, ON THE DESIGN PROCESS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS IN GENERAL.
AND THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
UH, FIRST, BASED ON SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I WANTED TO JUST, UH, I'M GONNA REVIEW KIND OF OUR LONGSTANDING PROCEDURES FOR HOW WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN HOW WE DESIGN IT AND HOW WE BUILD IT AND HOW WE BRING IT TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND THEN WE GOING TO, WE WANT TO DIG INTO THE DOC MASTER FORM AND FUNCTION IN SOME DETAIL.
UH, AND THEN WE WANT TO PIVOT TO KIND OF Y'ALL'S INPUT ON THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE GOING FORWARD AND WHATEVER TIMING IMPLICATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE.
UH, SO HOPEFULLY, IDEALLY WE GET YOUR DIRECTION AT THE END OF THIS.
BUT, UH, LEMME JUST START BY SAYING THAT, UM, MAYBE BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE KINDS OF PROCESSES IN DEPTH FOR SO LONG, WE MAYBE TOOK FOR GRANTED THAT OTHER PEOPLE KNOW SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU DIDN'T.
AND SO, BOTH FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD, WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL.
UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF SENIOR STAFF IN THE ROOM, MOST OF WHICH THE BOARD KNOWS, BUT A FEW THAT ARE GONNA ESPECIALLY CONTRIBUTE IN THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, OF COURSE CHRISTIE OLSON IS HERE.
SHE'S OVER THERE, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, ROB KRIEGER, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, JOE SILER, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR WHO IS, UM, WHAT OUR, OUR FOREMOST CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT EXPERT.
UH, DARREN WILLIAMS, OUR CHIEF OF WATERFRONT OPERATIONS, HE'S GONNA DRIVE A POWERPOINT SLIDE AND ALSO HAS A LOT OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, HISTORY WITH ALL THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
AND THEN EARL ANDERSON'S GONNA ALSO PRESENT, EARL IS OUR CHIEF OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND HE'S GOING TO SORT OF FOCUS MORE ON THE DESIGN SIDE OF THE TOPIC.
SO THAT'S KIND OF KIND BE THE SEQUENCE.
SO I'D LIKE TO START TALKING ABOUT OUR DESIGN CONSTRUCTION PROCESS IN GENERAL, NOT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
AND, UM, I GUESS, UH, THE IMPORTANT THING TO SAY THERE IS THAT, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE IN ALMOST ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, CERTAINLY THE ONES THAT I HAVE WORKED WITH BEFORE IS KIND OF A, A STANDARD APPROACH FOR MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
AND IT ALMOST ALWAYS STARTS, WE'RE FOCUSING ON BUILDINGS PRIMARILY ALMOST ALWAYS STARTS WITH A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, DISCUSSION AND DECISION.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS NEED OR THIS WANT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
WE IDENTIFY A, AN EDUCATED GUESS ABOUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST AND APPROXIMATELY WHEN IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD IT.
SO IF YOU GO BACK, UH, AS JOE CLER TO KIND OF JUST LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF SOME OF OUR MAJOR BUILDING PROJECTS, HE TOOK IT BACK TO 2006.
UH, THAT WAS THE CROSSROADS YOUTH HOME.
AFTER THAT, THE, THE MAC, THE THE 9 1 1 CENTER FIRE STATION, ONE YORKTOWN LIBRARY, DOCK MASTER BUILDING SHERIFF'S OFFICE, FIRE STATION SEVEN, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT FACILITIES THAT WE FOR THE MOST PART USED.
THE SAME PROCEDURE SHOWED UP IN THE C I P, UM, ARCHITECT WAS SELECTED.
UH, THE SORT OF THE CLIENT DEPARTMENT HAS INPUT WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THEN SORT OF PUBLIC WORKS KIND OF SHEPHERDS THE PROCESS THROUGH.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE C I P IF YOU FOLLOW ANY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY ALMOST ALL SHOW UP IN MULTIPLE YEARS WITH A DIFFERENT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND A DIFFERENT YEAR AS WE DEVELOP A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S REALLY INVOLVED AND DEFINE THE SCOPE AND
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CONSTRUCTION INFLATION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.UM, AND THEN, UH, I GUESS PROBABLY ONE OF THE PARTS THAT'S ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING PARTS IS WHO DECIDES WHAT SOMETHING LOOKS LIKE.
AND, UM, THE WAY IT HAS WORKED HERE AND THE WAY IT'S WORKED IN OTHER PLACES THAT I HAVE WORKED IS OBVIOUSLY THE ARCHITECT YOU HIRE IS SORT OF PRINCIPALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR GENERATING THE AESTHETIC CONCEPT.
UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD USE THE BUILDING HAVE THE INPUT, THE STAFF PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT.
UH, AND, AND TYPICALLY, UH, WE SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD, UH, ONCE IT'S AT A POINT WHERE LET'S SAY THE CLIENT DEPARTMENT AND YOUR C A O ME HAVE SAID THIS, THIS LOOKS ABOUT RIGHT.
AND THEN WE TYPICALLY SHARE IT WITH Y'ALL.
AND WHAT YOU GET INTO THERE IS PROBABLY, IF I POLL YOU FIVE OR FIVE OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, PREDECESSORS, YOU'RE RARELY GONNA GET EVERYBODY TO AGREE ON EXACTLY WHAT THE PERFECT DESIGN IS.
WHICH IS PERHAPS WHY, UH, THE WAY IT TENDS TO WORK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR C I O AND THE, THE ARCHITECT AND THE CLIENT DEPARTMENT KIND OF DRIVE THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE IN ALL OF THOSE EXAMPLES.
YOU KNOW, THE BOARD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT BEFORE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TOO LATE TO CHANGE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
AND I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE CASUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I REMEMBER TALKING WITH CHAD AND HE WASN'T THRILLED WITH THE YORKTOWN LIBRARY RENOVATION DESIGN.
UM, BUT I THINK MOST OF US FELT LIKE THE END PRODUCT, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKED PRETTY GOOD.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DO IT NOW.
THERE, THERE ARE, BEFORE YOU GO THERE, OKAY, THERE'S ONE IMPORTANT PART I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THE NEED FOR WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD? MM-HMM.
WELL, THAT REALLY COMES THROUGH THE C I P PROCESS.
AND AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THAT STAGE WHERE IN A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS I WANNA BE SENDING YOU THE RECOMMENDED NEXT DERIVATIVE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
LAST YEAR I MADE A BIG PRESENTATION AT YOUR SECOND DECEMBER MEETING, KIND OF PRELIMINARILY PLANNING ON DOING THE SAME THING THIS YEAR.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THE, TO THE BUDGET DECISION MAKING PROCESS IN THE SPRING.
SO YOU HAVE A A FEW MONTHS TO REVIEW THAT QUESTION, THAT TWEAK THAT, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW IT WORKS.
SO, UM, BUT THE CAPITAL, THE CAPITAL, THE C I P WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT, IT HAS A LOT OF, YOU CAN HAVE A GENERATOR IN IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T EVER REMEMBER THE BOARD EVER BEING INVOLVED IN WHERE'S THE GENERATOR GONNA SIT ON A BUILDING.
AND WHERE'S THE AIR CONDITIONING GONNA BE OR THE STUFF LIKE THAT, ASKING YOU A QUESTION LIKE THAT? NO, WELL, I MEAN POINT THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T ASK US.
AND NOR DO WE EXPECT YOU TO REALLY COME UP AND ASK US.
NO, UM, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT IT IN THE BUILDING? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO TRUST THE STAFF TO GIVE US THE GUIDANCE THAT, THAT, I MEAN, THEY WOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BEST WORK TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT WHERE, BUT BUT SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS WERE PRETTY EXPENSIVE, SUCH AS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE GET OUR PRESENT, WE GET A PRESENTATION ON WHAT IT GONNA LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHERIFF COMES IN AND SAYS, YEP, I NEVER REALLY NEED THIS.
UH, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE.
THE BITS, BITS AND PIECES, IT'S GONNA MEET THESE NEEDS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE GET VETTED ON THIS.
AND SO THE PUBLIC GETS TO HEAR THE DETAILS.
AND, AND I DO HAVE, IN THE CASE OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING, I'LL GET THERE IN A MINUTE, KIND OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD VETTING OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BEEN UP TO THIS POINT MM-HMM.
UH, WE BID IT OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT THAT PROCESS IS NECESSARILY LENGTHY UNDER OUR PROCUREMENT ORDINANCE ON THE STATE LAW.
AND, UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE HAVE COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW BEFORE WE BID IT OUT? AND I MEAN, THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS YOU COULD DO THIS.
UM, BUT FROM CONCEPTUALIZATION TO PLANNING TO DESIGN TO BUILDING IS A, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY IS A THREE TO FOUR YEAR PROCESS AT A MINIMUM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY NOT TO ADD MULTI-MONTH STEPS WHERE WE DON'T BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY.
SO THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EXPLORE FURTHER ON, ON FUTURE BUILDINGS.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL STORY OF HOW WE'VE DONE ALL THESE PROJECTS.
NOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
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WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED IN GENERAL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONE BUILDING IN THAT TIME PERIOD THAT DID NOT GO THROUGH THE C I P PROCESS.AND THAT WAS FIRE STATION NUMBER SEVEN.
'CAUSE REMEMBER THE, WE CLOSED THE CROSSROADS, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID AND WE SAID, WE HAVE A NEED FOR THIS FIRE STATION, BUT WE CAN USE THE FEDERAL COVID MONEY.
LET'S TAKE THAT MONEY AND PROCEED.
SO WE JUST KIND OF ACCELERATED THAT AND BYPASSED OUR USUAL PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I JUST DESCRIBED, THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UH, ONE WAS, UH, I AUTHORIZED THE SOLE SOURCE USE OF THE ARCHITECTS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE USE THE ARCHITECT THAT HAD BEEN SELECTED THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS.
BACK WHEN ALL THE RIVERWALK BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED.
WE THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE A, A CONSISTENCY IN DESIGN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE REASON THERE'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT ABERRATIONAL IS, UH, AFTER ALMOST COMPLETING THE DESIGN AND GOING TO THE H Y D C IN 2019, UH, I FROZE THE C I P WHEN COVID HIT.
AND ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THE C I P GOT FROZEN.
AND, AND, AND THAT BUILDING IN PARTICULAR.
SO IT WAS ABOUT A TWO YEAR PERIOD WHERE IT JUST KIND OF SAT THERE AND NOTHING WAS GOING ON.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THE, THE LENGTH OF THE PROCESS WAS UNUSUAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY MAYBE EVERYBODY DOESN'T REMEMBER IT THE SAME WAY, OR, OR YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT FRESH IN FOLKS' MINDS.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE H Y D C REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS A CREATION OF THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE, UM, DESIGN AESTHETIC ADVICE TO THE BOARD.
AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER STEP IN THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO FOLLOW, EVEN THOUGH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE DON'T, IT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT WE FOLLOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST FOLLOW IT SORT OF AS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE GOOD MANNERS AND THAT'S THE WAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROCESS IS SET UP.
SO I'D LIKE TO PIVOT TO TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS KIND OF THE, OUR DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, THAT Y'ALL ASKED THE TABLE AND, AND BRING TO A WORK SESSION.
AND IN A MINUTE HERE, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DARREN.
THAT REALLY KIND OF GETS TO YOUR QUESTION, TOM, ABOUT WELL, HOW DID WE, YOU KNOW, DEFINE THE NEED FOR THIS AND COME UP WITH IT.
JUST A, A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, MR. MORGAN, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, GOING THROUGH THE HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE.
WHY WOULDN'T IT GO THROUGH HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION OR HISTORIC DESIGN COMMITTEE PLANNING COMMISSION? WHY, WHY WOULDN'T IT GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
JUST THE WAY THE, I MEAN, IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, JUST THE WAY THE ORDINANCES WERE CREATED.
UM, BECAUSE IT WASN'T A LAND USE QUESTION, LIKE A USE PERMIT OR A REZONING.
UH, SO, SO THE H Y D C IN SOME WAYS FUNCTIONS KIND OF LIKE AN H O A FOR YORKTOWN.
AND SO I, I CAN ONLY THEORIZE THERE MIGHT BE SOME STAFF THAT WERE AROUND AT THE TIME IT WAS DONE.
UH, THIS WAS KIND OF AN ADVISORY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE WHEN, WHEN THE, THE H Y D C WAS CREATED.
IT GOES BACK TO WHEN WERE TRUSTEES WERE DONE AWAY.
JILL AND I WERE HERE FOR THAT.
AND, AND THE, AND THE IDEA OF THAT, THE WHOLE THING WASN'T THE PLAN COMMISSION, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, IS A LAND USE, UH, SURE.
ORGANIZATION WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT, AND IF YOU COME IN WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S HOW WE GET THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALL TIED IN THROUGH THE ZONING AND THE, AND, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU COME TO THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, THE, IF YOU MAY RECALL, A COUPLE OF, UH, MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHERE I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? AND I SAID, EVEN THE BOARD CAN'T DO IT.
NO, IT WAS BECAUSE TIM CROSS SAID IT WOULD BE AGAINST THE CODE, AGAINST OUR OWN CODE, AND YOU JUST CAN'T ARBITRARILY DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, SO BY CREATING THIS, HIS, UH, THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY, THEN WE WERE ABLE TO DO THINGS SEPARATE THAN WHAT WE DO WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
NOW THEY, WHAT AGAIN, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, IS THAT THEY PROVIDE SUPPOSED TO COME IN AND THEY COULD WORK WITHIN THEIR, THEIR WITHIN LIKE THE H O A, IF YOU WILL, THE H O A ALMOST DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING, EXCEPT THAT THE APPEAL FOR, UH, REGULAR OUT OUTSIDE
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THE H O A IS A COURT, RIGHT.FOR US, FOR, FOR THIS ORGANIZATION.
IT'S THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR US TO EVEN HAVE THAT COMMITTEE.
AND IT WAS A COMMITTEE THAT WE CREATED, RIGHT.
AND WE CREATED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG POPULAR PLACE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME TO IT.
AND WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SOMEHOW GET THE COMMUNITY, HAVE THE INPUT TO IT.
NOW, AGAIN, IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES ADVICE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE CRITICAL PART.
THAT'S THE CRITICAL PART, NOT A, SO OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS MM-HMM.
ONE WAS MR. MON FRANZ'S HOUSE WHO WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE, UH, COVERING ON THE TRUCK, ON THE PORCH, BASICALLY A LITTLE OVER THE DOOR.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WASTE OF OUR TIME TO, TO GO THROUGH.
THE OTHER ONE WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD A VERY NICE FENCE OVER THERE ON AMBLER STREET.
AND, UH, BUT, AND IT WAS, IT WAS BA OUTTA WOOD, BEAUTIFUL REDWOOD.
AND, UH, THEY WERE SAYING THAT IT NEEDED TO BE PAINTED WHITE.
WHAT WAS THE 10? AND THAT AND THAT, AND THAT WAS A HALF HOUR 10 OF EACH ONE OF THOSE.
AND THE TENT, THE 10 CASE LAST TIME, THE 10, THE TENT CASE, WHICH WE, UH, KICKED UP.
AND THOSE WERE, AND, AND DON'T FORGET GRACE CHURCH, UH, THE ELEVATOR, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.
BUT, BUT THE THING IS, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T, BUT OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, I CAN, I CAN RECALL THOSE, RIGHT? UH, IT, AS, AS TOM SAID, IT'S AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT, BUT WE HAVE IT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO, TO GET THEIR INPUT ON THE VILLAGE.
AND IT GOES TO YOUR POINT, IT WAS LET THEM LET THE, LET THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE KIND OF HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO KIND OF SAY YES AND NO.
AND THEN WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S A CONTENTION IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN THEY COULD COME TO US.
OTHERWISE, IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS LIKE WHEN MEMBER, WHEN WE USED TO DO THE, UH, WE'D BE FIGHTING OVER $500 TO THIS CHARITY AND $300 TO THIS CHARITY, AND, AND WE'D SPEND, WE'D SPEND FIVE, SIX HOURS DOING THAT.
AND THEN WE SAID, NO, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S GIVE IT TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND THEY CAME IN, FINALLY CAME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION, WHICH THE SAME WAY WITH THE, THE HISTORICAL, UH, UH, COMMITTEE HERE MM-HMM.
AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHICH IS REALLY DIFFERENT, IS THAT THE APPLICANT WAS THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE WERE CREATING, WE WERE CREATING THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
AND A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, EARL'S GONNA SPEAK TO WHAT THE H YCS CONCERNS WERE AND KIND OF WHAT OUR REACTION TO THAT WAS.
SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO, UH, DARREN, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE AND UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING, I UNDERSTAND THEY COME DOWN AND THEY SAY SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US WHO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE SOMETIMES GET OUR FEELINGS HURT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND I GUESS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT UPSET ME A LITTLE BIT WAS THERE'S, THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD DONE WAS SNEAKY OR HIDDEN OR NON-TRANSPARENT OR SOMETHING.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
I DIDN'T WASTE, I DIDN'T KILL A LOT OF TREES TO PRODUCE A LOT OF THESE, BUT THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE HARD COPY OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SENT TO THE BOARD SINCE 2018 AND WERE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN OUR CORRESPONDENCE PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS SUBJECT, INCLUDING MULTIPLE PICTURES OF THE MODEL REPORTS ABOUT WHAT THE HDCS CONCERNS WERE, DESCRIPTIONS OF SOME OF THE STUFF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO ABOUT WHY WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO DO IT.
AND IF I COULD FOR ANY, FOR, YEAH.
AND FOR FOR THE GUESTS AS WELL.
THIS IS JUST THE SHORT VERSION OF THAT, WHICH IS JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS.
AND, AND THE MAIN POINT IS JUST LOOK AT THE DATES.
YOU, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A SERIES OF REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS.
SO LIKE, IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, KILL IT OR NOT CHANGE IT GO FORWARD OR NOT, IT, IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE FORTHRIGHTLY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I THINK I HAVE SAID ENOUGH, AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO ASK, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, AT THIS POINT? SO I HAD ONE OTHER, I HAD ONE OTHER THING I'D CHAIRMAN.
SO IN THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS, I I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE ME A COUPLE TO WHAT I WISH I HAD DONE DIFFERENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EXCUSE OTHER THAN MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN AROUND SO LONG, THAT IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT I KNEW.
UM, AND THAT IS, UH, I, I AGREED THAT THE PICTURE OF THE MODEL WAS NOT ESPECIALLY ATTRACTIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO EVERYONE AGREED THAT THE BRICK COLOR OUGHT TO MATCH THE FREIGHT SHED.
AND NOT THE LIKE FIRE ENGINE RED.
AND SHAME ON ME FOR NOT HAVING THE RENDERING CHANGED.
AND THAT'S MUCH CLOSER TO WHAT MM-HMM.
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UH, THE OTHERS WILL SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE FREIGHT SHED.THE OTHER THING WAS WE ONLY, ONLY WHEN WE GOT INTO THE Q AND A DID I EXPLAIN THE SEASONALITY ISSUE OF, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS THING UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE SUMMER, WHICH WAS KIND OF, SORT OF A NOW OR NEVER ASPECT TO IT.
AND EVEN THOUGH IN ALL THESE DOCUMENTS, UH, DARREN AND CHRISTIE AND JAMES AND OTHERS WENT THROUGH ALL THE REASONS, THE FUNCTIONAL THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO, UH, I DIDN'T GET INTO THAT.
SO WE'RE TRY TO RECOVER FROM THAT AND HIT SOME OF THOSE POINTS NOW.
SO DARREN, I'LL SHUT UP AND LET YOU I'M SORRY.
NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS, UH, GET, ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT'S SO LONG UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE OF, BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE YOU, YOU YOU CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THINGS.
WELL THANK YOU NEIL, AND THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF REVIEW THE USAGE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING.
AND THEN REALLY KIND OF DIVE INTO THE FUNCTIONAL DESIGN OF THE, OF THE NEW FACILITY.
SO THE, THE CURRENT DOCK MASTER BUILDING ACTUALLY SUPPORTS FIVE OPERATIONAL AREAS OF THE WATERFRONT.
SO THAT'S THE RIVERWALK LANDING PIERCE, OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, OUR FREIGHT SHED, PARKING SERVICES AND AMBASSADORS.
SO FOR THE DOC STAFF, IN ADDITION TO SUPPORTING, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? OKAY, SURE.
EXPLAIN WHAT THE AMBASSADORS DO.
SO OUR AMBASSADORS ARE OUR KIND OF OUR MOBILE GUEST SERVICES AND OUR KIND OF OUR RULE REMINDERS, STAY OFF THE ROCK, DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT.
WHERE TO GET AREA INFORMATION, WHERE CAN I CATCH THE TROLLEY? THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF OUR FRONTLINE CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES THAT MOVE THROUGHOUT THE WATERFRONT.
AND HISTORIC YORKTOWN, WE HAVE MORE THERE.
SO TOTAL WE HAVE AT, AT, AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WE HAVE TWO WORKING, AND I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL STAFF OF ABOUT FIVE RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, AND SO FOR THE, UH, LIKE FOR THE CONCERTS YES SIR.
ARE THEY INVOLVED IN THAT? YES, SIR.
AND, AND WHO ELSE IS INVOLVED IN THAT? SO FOR THE CONCERTS, WE HAVE OUR DOCK STAFF OF COURSE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE LIKE TO COME TO OUR CON CONCERTS VIA THEIR BOAT.
WE HAVE OUR PARKING ATTENDANTS.
AND, AND ONE OF THE REALLY GREAT THINGS ABOUT OUR PARKING ATTENDANTS, NOT ONLY DO THEY ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SPACE FOR OUR RETAIL CUSTOMERS DOWN AT THE RIVER WALK LANDING, THEY ALSO KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING ON WATER STREET, SPECIFICALLY IN THAT REALLY TIGHT AREA.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY MANNING THE GARAGE RIGHT THERE, AND WHEN IT FILLS UP IDENTIFYING THAT IT'S CLOSED, YOU JUST HAVE A CAROUSEL OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND IT'S, AND IT REALLY GETS SUPER CONGESTED IN THAT AREA.
AND HOW ABOUT THE FREIGHT SHED? AND SO THE FREIGHT SHED, UH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.
YOU KNOW, THE FREIGHT SHED SUPPORTS, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WE HAVE ON AVERAGE 140 TO 150 PRIVATE RENTALS EACH YEAR.
AND THEN, SO KIND OF TALKING ABOUT OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, WE HOST OR WE, WE PUT ON FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER 70 SPECIAL EVENTS A YEAR DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.
AND THEN PROBABLY MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR BIG TWO 50TH RELATED ANNIVERSARY EVENTS COMING UP.
AND TWO OF THOSE WILL ACTUALLY BE NEXT YEAR.
ONE OF THOSE GONNA BE, UM, UH, LAFAYETTE'S GRAND TOUR.
SO THAT'S JUST 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF LAFAYETTE RETURNING TO YORKTOWN.
AND THEN IN NOVEMBER WE'LL HAVE THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE YORKTOWN TEA PARTY.
SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR OWN TEA PARTY HERE.
ONE QUITE ON THE SCALE IS AS THE ONE IN BOSTON, BUT WE YES, EXACTLY.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, MAINTENANCE OF BEACH MAINTENANCE AND WHAT IS HE CARRYING A HOSE OR SOMETHING? SO THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR DOCK MASTER JAMES SCRU.
SO I, I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKS TO A LOT OF WHAT WE DO.
THEN THERE'S A LOT OF INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ALL OF OUR SERVICES DOWN THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MAY HAVE A SHORTAGE IN ONE PLACE, WE KIND OF PICK UP THE SLAP FOR THE OTHER.
BUT AGAIN, THIS ALL PAINTS THE PICTURE.
THE, THESE, THESE FIVE REALLY IMPORTANT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY, RELATIVELY BIG PROGRAMS ARE ALL BASED OUT OF THIS 347 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE DOCK MASTER.
ALL TOGETHER, ALL THESE TOGETHER.
HOW MANY PEOPLE, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU GOT INVOLVED HERE? SO IN THE PEAK SEASON, WE HAD WITH FULL-TIME AND WORKERS REQUIRED EMPLOYEES, WE HAVE 30 PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THIS BUILDING OH.
AND SO BEYOND THAT, THAT USAGE, IT ALSO SERVES AS OUR INFORMATION CENTER, OUR FIRST AID LOCATION.
AND IT SERVES AS A LOST AND FOUND.
SO I THINK ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER HERE TOO IS OF THE WHOLE RIVERWALK LANDING, THAT IS THE ONLY LOCATION A VISITOR CAN COME AND MAKE CONTACT WITH A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE IS AT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
AND SO YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE FREIGHT SHED PEOPLE COMING DOWN FOR INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GOT BOAT COMING IN TO REGISTER THEIR BOAT FOR AN OVERNIGHT SAY, OR A TEMPORARY DOCKET.
YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY COMING IN LOOK FOR THEIR KEYS OR THEIR WALLET THAT THEY LOST AND ALL OF THIS GOING ON AT ONE TIME.
AND REALLY IT'S QUITE IMPRESSIVE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF SUSTAINED THIS WHOLE TIME.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WITH THE AMBASSADOR AND THE PARKING SERVICES, BOTH THOSE SERVICES
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LAUNCHED IN 2018, UH, PER THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD IDENTIFYING WE NEEDED THESE INCREASED SERVICES, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE INCREASED EXPANDED EVENTS.AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WAS REALLY THE IMPETUS OF, OF KIND OF, OF DESIGNING THIS NEW FACILITY AND, AND IDENTIFYING WE NEEDED THIS NEW FACILITY.
WHAT'S THIS PICTURE OF, THE PICTURE OF? THIS IS A PICTURE ON A, AN EVENT EVENING.
SO WE HAVE OUR DOCK ATTENDANTS THERE, WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR PARKING AND AMBASSADORS AND THEY'RE GETTING DIRECTION AND THEN AS, AS WELL AS OUR EVENT STAFF.
SO THIS, THIS IS KIND OF A REPRESENTATION OF, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO UTILIZE THIS COMPRESSED SPACE.
CAN YOU SHOW US A PICTURE OF THE DOCK MASTER'S BUILDING AS IT SITS TODAY? THE BUILDING ON THE, EXPLAIN THAT RIGHT.
KIND OF EXPLAIN THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS THE REST, THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS THE RESTROOMS. AND I, AND I'M, I'M GLAD, GLAD WE SAW THAT.
BUT THE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS OUR DOCK MASTER FACILITY.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE ONLY HALF OF THAT BUILDING ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY USED FOR OUR STAFF.
THE OTHER HALF IS FOR, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A MECHANICAL SLASH STORAGE ROOM.
SO I IT REALLY, IN THAT BUILDING, IT'S ONLY HALF OF THAT SPACE THAT WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY UTILIZED FOR STAFF.
SO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WERE IN THAT BUILDING RIGHT.
PICTURE YOU JUST SHOWED US WITH THE PEOPLE.
NOW THE, YOU'RE GONNA SHOW US PICTURES IN HERE OF, I THINK OF THE MECHANICAL PARTS, RIGHT ROB? KIND OF A LAYOUT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER POINTS I'D LIKE TO HIT KIND OF BEFORE WE MOVED INTO THE NEW FUNCTIONAL DESIGN.
SO ALONG WITH, UH, THE OFFICE SPACE AND, UH, WHICH IS NON-ACCESSIBLE, THERE'S ALSO THE NON-ACCESSIBLE, UM, RESTROOMS THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE QUITE LITERALLY FALLING APART.
THE CENTER BLOCKS DETERIORATING.
AND ONE OF THE REALLY BIG CHALLENGES WE HAD THIS YEAR, SPECIFICALLY DURING OUR LARGE CONCERTS, LARGE EVENTS, IS WE'D EXPERIENCE SEWAGE BACKUPS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SHUT THE RESTROOMS DOWN TO MITIGATE THAT.
AND, AND TO THE, TO THE, TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE A PLUMBER ON SITE FOR EACH TIME WE HAD A LARGE EVENT BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED SEWAGE BACKUP, IT WAS HAPPENING SO FREQUENTLY.
UM, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT PERSISTS AT THE RESTROOMS IS A LACK OF CLIMATE CONTROL.
SO WHAT THAT DOES, IT REQUIRES US TO CLOSE THE FACILITY FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL, AND THIS EFFECTIVELY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS AT THE WATERFRONT BY A THIRD FOR THAT SPAN OF TIME FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL.
AND, AND WHERE THIS BECOMES SPECIFICALLY TROUBLESOME IS WE'VE EXTENDED OUR, EXPANDED OUR EVENTS INTO THE SHOULDER SEASON.
THESE BATHROOMS ARE ADJACENT TO OUR MAIN EVENT AREA.
SO WHAT THIS KIND OF DOES, IT PUSHES THE, THE EVENT ATTENDEES, VISITORS TO THE, THE RESTAURANTS OR TO THE HOTEL TO FIND RESTROOMS, WHICH WE'VE GOT NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM THOSE, THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS.
SO THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO, THE ONLY OTHER BATHROOM I KNOW OF IS OVER BY THE GARAGE.
AND WE HAVE ONE OVER BY THE FREIGHT SHE GARAGE AND BY THE FREIGHT GARAGE AND FREIGHT, SHE MM-HMM.
AND THE PARTICULAR, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.
MOVING ON TO THE, UH, TO THE NEW BUILDING.
I THINK FIRST IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE NEW BUILDING, AGAIN, WAS CONCEIVED AND DESIGNED IN PART TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASED PUBLIC SERVICES, SUCH AS THE EXPANDED EVENTS, THE AMBASSADORS, THE PARKING SERVICES, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN 2018 MM-HMM.
SO, SO THE BATHROOMS ARE ON THE RIGHT THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE, UH, A JANITOR CLOSET, MECHANICAL ROOM, ELECTRICAL ROOM, THIS ON.
AND SO OVER 60% OF WHAT IS 1800 BUILDER BUILDABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON, ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS TAKEN UP BY THE ELECTRICAL ROOM.
THE BATHROOMS, JANITOR'S CLOSET, MECHANICAL ROOM, UM, THAT'S THE STUFF ON THE BOTTOM DOWN HERE.
JAMES, DO YOU WANNA POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE, THOSE AREAS FOR ME PLEASE? THIS IS THE GENERAL ROOM RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CANAL ROOM, FAMILY RESTROOM.
FAMILY RESTROOM, AND THEN THE ELECTRICAL ROOM.
ONE OF THOSE TWO ROOMS UP TOP.
I'LL, I'LL EXPLAIN THIS FOR YOU.
SO ONE OF THOSE ROOMS IS AN OFFICE SPACE FOR OUR DOCK MASTER SLASH WHERE HE HAS A PORN AT RIGHT NOW.
OH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BACK, THAT'S AN ENTRY TO THE RESTROOM.
NOW THESE ARE, UH, THE, WHAT WILL, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
'CAUSE THIS WILL ALL BE HEATED AIR AND AIR CONDITIONING, STUFF LIKE THAT.
WHEELCHAIR, CLIMATE CONTROL AND WHEELCHAIR.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE BIG GATE AADA, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE, WHERE JAMES HAS A POINTING RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE, WILL BE HIS OFFICE, JAMES, OUR DOCK MASTER SLASH WATERFRONT OPERATIONS SUPERVISOR.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR GUEST SERVICES CENTER OR AND DESK AREA, WHICH WILL SERVE AS A CENTRAL POINT FOR PROVIDING AREA INFORMATION.
IT'LL BE OUR LOST AND FOUND, IT'LL BE WHERE WE CAN ADMINISTER LIMITED FIRST AID.
AND IT'S A POINT OF SALE FOR TRANSIENT BOATERS.
OUR FREIGHT, SHE RENTERS AND OUR WATERFRONT AREA PERMITEES.
ON THE, ON THE RIGHT, THE OFFICE.
HOW BIG IS THAT OFFICE? 12 FEET BY WHAT? 12 BY 10.
JOE, YOU WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY A,
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WELL, A SENSE OF THAT, HOW BIG THAT IS? UH, THE TABLE YOU'RE SETTING AT IS 80 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S 120 SQUARE FEET.SO IF YOU TOOK A TABLE AND A HALF, THAT'S THE SIZE OF THAT OFFICE.
IT ISN'T, IT'S NOT LARGE, NOT SO MUCH.
WHICH TOP BOTTOM, WHICH IS WATER STREET.
SO WE'RE FLIPPING AND THE TOP IS THE RIVER.
SO WE'RE FLIPPING THE RESTROOMS ON THE RIGHT COMPARED TO WHERE THEY ARE.
AND, AND THERE AND THERE WAS SOME THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A BUSY OR A REALLY HIGHLY ATTENDED EVENT OR WE'VE GOT A BUSY SUMMER DAY, WE DIDN'T WANT THE PUBLIC QUEUING ONTO WATER STREET OR NEAR WATER STREET.
IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE EVEN WITH, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED CAPACITY, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HIT THOSE PEAK SEASONS WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE WAITING FOR THE REST OF IT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU'RE ON WATER STREET, THE RESTROOM IS TO THE LEFT AND THE DOCK MESS BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT, NOW YOU'RE FLIPPING THAT MM-HMM.
SO THAT, IS THAT GOING TO MEAN NEED? DOES THAT MEAN A LOT OF PLUMBING CHANGE GONNA BE NEEDED SINCE YOU'RE MOVING ALL THE PLUMBING TO THE RIGHT AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING OVER TOP OF THE EXISTING PLUMBING? THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY PLUMBING ON THAT SIDE FOR THE OFFICE CURRENTLY.
AND I THINK MAYBE ROB OR OR JOE OR BETH MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO I THINK, UM, MAYBE IF WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL ROB'S PRESENTATION IS THAT, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT IT, BASICALLY THE PLUMBING SHOT AND SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, WELL IF THE SEWER BACKS UP A LITTLE MUST BE OKAY.
SO NOW FOR YOU GOT SO, AND THAT'S, IS THAT THE WOMEN'S ON THE RIGHT AND THE MEN ON THE LEFT? YES.
IT HAS TO BE 'CAUSE THEY GOT THE URINAL.
SO WHEN YOU GET 4,000 PEOPLE DOWN THERE, FOUR, FOUR BATHROOMS OR FOUR STALLS, IS THAT ADEQUATE? HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? WE DID.
WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT TRYING TO GO BIGGER, BUT WHEN WE WERE CONFINED TO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND WHAT WE NEEDED AND TO MAKE THEM ALL A D A ACCESSIBLE, BECAUSE WE HAD THE MOVI MAT AND ALL THE ACCESSIBILITY FEATURES THERE, THAT WAS AS LARGE AS WE COULD MAKE IT ON THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
SO PEOPLE THEN COULD GO TO THE OTHER BATHROOMS. THEY HAVE TO NOW THOSE OTHER BATHROOMS, DO THEY NEED TO BE MODIFIED FOR THE A D BE A D A COMPLIANT? THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALREADY COMPLIANT.
IN ADDITION TO THE MEN AND WOMEN'S, WE ADDED A FAMILY RESTROOM, WHICH WE, I SEE IT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HERE.
AND THEN ONE LITTLE LAST AREA ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR HERE IS A IS A SMALL STORAGE SPACE FOR OUR A D A ACCESSIBLE MOBI CHAIR BROCHURES AND MARKETING MATERIALS, AS WELL AS SOME DOCK OPERATIONS RELATED EQUIPMENT SUCH AS OIL, BOOMS, FENDERS, YOU KNOW, DOCK LINES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO BEFORE WE GO ONTO THE SECOND FLOOR, I JUST, I I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE HOW MUCH OF A HUGE LEAP FORWARD IN AADA A ACCESSIBILITY AT THE WATERFRONT THIS BUILDING REPRESENTS.
SO NOT ONLY ARE THE A D A, UH, NOT ONLY THE RESTROOMS, A D A ACCESSIBLE AND FEATURE INCREASED CAPACITY, THE BUILDING IS NOW A D A ACCESSIBLE AND THIS WILL BE ABLE TO OFFER OUR, THE SAME LEVEL OF GUEST SERVICES TO ALL OF OUR VISITORS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY, THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE AT THE WATERFRONT YOU CAN COME IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE FOR AREA INFORMATION.
ALL THOSE ITEMS I'VE LISTED OUT.
SO CURRENTLY THE EXISTING FACILITY, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE SERVICES WITH A WHEELCHAIR? NO.
SO, AND THIS IS, THIS REPRESENTS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FULLY BRINGING THAT FULL CIRCLE AND HAVING ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY EQUALLY.
SO MOVING ON TO THE SECOND FLOOR BEFORE YOU GO THERE, DEREK.
THE, THE STORAGE, THE STUFF YOU LISTED THAT GOING TO THE STORAGE.
WHERE DO WE KEEP THAT STUFF TODAY? SO SOME OF THAT STUFF IS KEPT IN THE BUILDING.
THAT IS, OR THE, THE SPACE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT DOCK MASTER OFFICE.
WE HAVE BROCHURES IN OUR ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, BROCHURES AND MARKETING MATERIAL HERE IN THE BASEMENT OF YORK HALL.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF IT'S KEPT IN THE PARKING GARAGE AS WELL, IN WHAT IS THE FREIGHT SHED STORAGE.
SO KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAM USING WHAT SPACE WE CAN.
WHERE DO YOU STORE THE, THE, UM, GRID THAT LAYS FOR, FOR WHEELCHAIRS AND WHERE DO YOU, WHERE DO YOU STORE THE WH CHAIR THAT TAKES PIZZA THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THE, THE HANDICAP? SURE.
THE MOBY CHAIR IS CURRENTLY STORED AT THE DOCK MASTER OFFICE.
AND THE, THE MOBY MAT IS ACTUALLY STORED AT THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY IN THE OFF SEASON.
YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO GET SOME HIGH TIDES AND SOME NASTY WINTER STORMS THAT KIND OF DETERIORATES AND DAMAGES THAT.
SO THAT'S PULLED SEASONALLY, CORRECT, ROB? YEP.
DARREN, YOU MENTIONED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND WHY WE COULDN'T EXPAND IT.
WHY CAN'T WE EXPAND IT? WE COULD, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO, TO REDUCING OR EXPANDING INTO GREEN SPACES.
WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SO CLOSE.
I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS IN AN R P A AND I GUESS SOMEBODY ELSE COULD TALK MORE, MORE SENSIBLY TO THIS, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO EXPAND INTO OUR VENT SPACE.
WE DIDN'T WANNA CREATE LESS GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY IF WE COULD EXIST IN OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT, IT WOULD BE LESS INVASIVE TO THE WATERFRONT AREA.
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WANNA THAT AREA CUT INTO THE BEACH.LET'S, WELL, LET'S CLARIFY SOMETHING HERE.
UH, AND YOU KIND OF, YOU KIND OF DID A BIG HAND LITTLE MAP KIND OF APPROACH TO THIS.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF A BUILDING, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SOME LAWS THAT YOU GOTTA, YOU CODES, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS STATE THAT YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REAL SENSITIVE TO THIS BEACH AREA.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HOLDING UP A COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UM, AND, UM, SO, OKAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FROM A LEGAL SIDE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT'S GOTTA BE DONE.
IF WE EXPAND IT NOW WE'RE GOING FROM 400 ROUGHLY TO 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE 347 SQUARE FEET, IT'S JUST ONE SMALL PORTION OF THAT BUILDING.
SO ONE SMALL PORTION OF WHAT BUILDING THAT'S OFFICE SPACE AT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING? YES.
BUT THE TOTAL BUILDABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER FLOOR IS GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 1800 SQUARE FEET.
HOW BIG IS THE HOW, IF YOU GOT THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE TWO SITES, YOU GOT A BATHROOM AND THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING MM-HMM.
HOW MUCH FOOTPRINT, HOW BIG IS THE FOOTPRINT? ARE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER? YES.
UH, CURRENTLY I WHAT WAS THE NEW, THE NEW BUILDING WILL ONLY BE ABOUT 6% INCREASE IN THE FOOTPRINT.
THAT KIND OF GETS, SO I THINK SOME OF THE PART I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, AND YOU'RE, SO WE'RE GOING 6%, WHY NOT GO 10? WHY NOT GO 20? WELL, IT STAYS WITHIN PRETTY MUCH THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
YOU FILL UP ALCOVES UP, YOU'RE FILLING THAT UP.
SO IF WE WENT MUCH LARGER THAN THAT, SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THE RIVER OR TOWARDS THE, THE STREET, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE YOUR SIDEWALKS THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAD TO BE A LITTLE SENSITIVE.
AND IF YOU GO TOWARDS THE FREIGHT SHED, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE THE SIDEWALK THAT LEADS TO THE DOCKS.
AND ALL OF THAT IS KINDA LINED UP NICE AND DEEP RIGHT NOW.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE DOCK MASTER'S OFFICE WAS FACING WATER STREET ON THIS ONE.
THE DOCK MASTER, VERY IMPORTANT.
WELL, IF YOU WERE TO SUPERIMPOSE THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THAT DIAGRAM, WHAT PART OF THAT DIAGRAM WOULD BE, UH, COVERED UP BY THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUILDING THE TWO BUILDINGS? UH, SO, SO THE, THE, THE ONLY, UH, IT MAY BE EASIER TO SHOW YOU WHICH PART WOULD NOT BE.
IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY, THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE WHERE A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE AND A SMALL SLIVER OF THE CENTER, WHICH IS THE BREEZEWAY BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE EXISTING BUILDING AS AS BIG AS 90% OF THAT DIAGRAM? UH, I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO EARL IT WOULD BE 94%.
IF IT'S ONLY A 6% INCREASE, APPROXIMATELY SURE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS TWO STORY.
NO, NO, BUT THE FOOTPRINT, IT SURE AS HELL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU SHOWED US OF THE DOCUMENTARY AS BULLYING THAT EXIST TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART HERE, GUYS.
IT'S THE IMPRESSION THAT THINGS ARE REALLY OUTTA WHACK HERE.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, AND IN FACT YOU'RE DOING THE JOB, THE QUESTIONS, AND SO WE'VE GOTTA CONTINUE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS REALLY CHANGED? SURE.
SO YOU'RE, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE SAYING THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT TOTAL BUILDING COMPLEX, THE BUILDING COMPLEX INCLUDES THE BREEZEWAY AND THE TWO BUILDING IS ONLY 6%.
AND OUT TOWARDS THE WATER SIDE IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA ESSENTIALLY THE, THE BULK OF IT.
AND THAT PART UP HERE IN THE TOP RIGHT IS GONNA BE OUT TOWARDS THE WATER SIDE? YES, SIR.
NOT TOWARDS THE STREET, NOT TOWARDS THE SIDEWALK.
NOW HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT WHERE THE SHOWERS ARE AND UH, THE LITTLE SIDEWALK YOU GOT OUT THERE, IS THAT GONNA TAKE, TAKE THAT OUT OR WHAT? IT'S NO, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE SIDEWALK AND WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN SHOWER TOWERS AS WELL.
WELL, WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE FOOTPRINT.
I MEAN, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
OKAY, AARON, IS, IS THIS, IS THIS DRAWING SCALED PROPORTIONALLY OR IS THIS DRAW, IS THIS THING COMPRESSED? I MEAN, AS WE'RE VIEWING IT, IT'S, IT LOOKS MUCH LARGER THAN, OBVIOUSLY IF IT WAS MUCH SMALLER, YOU GUYS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE LARGE TV.
SO IF YOU HAD IT IN FRONT OF YOU TO SCALE, IT WOULDN'T SEEM SO LARGE TO YOUR POINT.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD POINT.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW YOU DEMONSTRATE STUFF ON A, ON A, ON A, ON A PROJECTION.
I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN LITTLE BIG NUMBERS.
I MEAN BIG, BIG, UH, HISTOGRAMS AND ALL THIS STUFF.
AND WE'RE TALKING LIKE A, JUST A HALF OF A PERCENT CHANGE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND FOR US.
WE'RE ONLY HUMAN HERE, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT FOUR, WHEREVER 14 FEET IS, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAID THAT THIS TABLE IS, WHAT, HOW LONG IS THIS TABLE? ABOUT 15 FEET.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THERE'S ONE UP THERE THAT SAYS 14 FEET.
WHERE'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST FLOOR.
WHERE IS IT? I SEE THE 13 FLOOR DOWN AT THE, THE GOING ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF
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THE BATHROOM.SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TABLE BASICALLY? MM-HMM.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? NO, I WAS JUST SAYING LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
THESE, THESE THREE OFFICES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY RELATIVELY SMALL AND, AND THESE THREE OFFICES, APPROXIMATELY 90 SQUARE FEET, WHICH, YOU KNOW, JOE HAS INFORMED US IS RELATIVELY SMALL IN, IN THE NORMAL OFFICE SIZE.
AND THESE OFFICES HERE WILL HOUSE OUR FULL-TIME AND THREE, THREE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
OUR EVENT PLANNER, OUR WATERFRONT OPERATIONS COORDINATOR, AND OUR WATERFRONT OPERATIONS ASSISTANT.
WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED NOW? SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE, OR ALL THREE OF 'EM ARE AT THE TOURISM BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE SHARING OFFICE SPACE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY, THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN ONE OFFICE, MULTIPLE CHAIRS, MULTIPLE DESKS.
MULTIPLE DESKS ALL IN ONE ROOM? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ROOM HERE.
IS THAT FOUR FEET BY FOUR FEET OR IS THAT, WHAT'S THAT? NINE FEET BY FOUR FEET.
SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER 90 SQUARE FEET.
WHERE DID WE SAY THE TABLE SQUARE FEET WAS? 80 TABLE'S.
SO IT'S 10, 10 SQUARE FEET BIGGER THAN THE TABLE.
WELL, TABLE'S GOT A LENGTH ISSUE THING HERE.
THAT'S NOT THE, I MEAN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD, OKAY.
WE HAD OUR, OUR REPORT ON, ON WALK-IN CLOSET SPACE FOR OFFICES FOR ONE PERSON.
WHAT SIZE WAS IT? DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, SOMEBODY LIKE JOE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST ONE TO ANSWER.
DO WE HAVE A STANDARD SPACE OR BETH, A STANDARD FOR, UH, OFFICE SPACE PER PERSON? WE DO.
AND THERE IS ONE I ONE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAN THAT.
THESE ARE ON THE SMALL SIDE? YES MA'AM.
THESE ARE A LOT SMALLER THAN THAT.
CHRISTIE BROUGHT IT UP, WAS IN ORDER TO HELP CHRISTIE AND DARREN UNDERSTAND THE SPACE, MY STAFF WENT AND TOOK PAINTERS, BLUE PAINTERS TAPE AND TAPED THE ENTIRE BUILDING ON THE FLOOR OF THE FREIGHT SHED SO THEY COULD STAND IN EACH OFFICE AND FEEL IF IT WAS GONNA BE ENOUGH SPACE.
AND IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T TAKE UP HALF THE FLOOR OF FREIGHT SHED, I WAS ABLE TO DO THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE FREIGHT SHED.
SO IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN THE FREIGHT SHED, MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT'S NORMALLY ALLOWED.
WHAT'S GOING DOWN THE LEFT SIDE OVER HERE? THIS LOGISTICS.
SO THAT, THAT'S, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU POINTED THAT OUT.
SO THAT'S OUR, OUR LOGISTICS ROOM.
SO THIS WILL SERVE AS A, AS A COMMAND CENTER OR LOGISTICS COMMAND DURING OUR LARGE PUBLIC EVENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS ROOM WILL BE USED FOR LARGE, DURING LARGE COUNTY EVENTS BY OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL AND FEATURE THE ABILITY TO SERVICE AS AN INCIDENT COMMAND IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
UH, YEAH, I WAS THINKING THAT OUTSIDE OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES WOULD BE USING THIS BUILDING AS A CENTRAL PLACE TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO DOWN THERE.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CON CONGREGATE NOW OTHER THAN THEIR VEHICLES OVER HERE.
SO YOU SHOULD DO IT RIGHT THIS BUILDING, RIGHT? THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE.
AND WHEN THE BEACH PATROL THAT LOTS OF TIMES THEY END UP, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THE HOTEL OR THE RESTAURANT, OR ACTUALLY THAT'S FUNNY ENOUGH, THEY ACTUALLY COME INTO THE EXISTING DOCK MASTER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE A TEAM HERE, SO THEY NEED COME GET WATER, COME GET A LITTLE AIR CONDITIONING.
SO ACTUALLY, I MEAN, WE EVEN HAVE THEM COMING IN THERE, WHICH WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE 'EM.
YOU KNOW, THEY HATE TO LAUNCH UP RUB ELBOWS.
THEY NEED TO LAUNCH UP IN A LITTLE MICROWAVE.
SO ALONG WITH THE LOGISTICS, UH, KIND OF ROOM WE HAVE OUR WORK ROOM THAT'S FOR OUR WORKERS, REQUIRED EMPLOYEES TO CHECK VOICEMAIL EMAILS AND ALSO DO COUNTY REQUIRED TRAINING.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALL LOUNGE AREA THAT, AGAIN, IN THE HEIGHT OF THE SEASON CAN, IT CAN SERVE UP TO 30 EMPLOYEES ON A GIVEN BUSY DAY.
SO SOMETHING ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE IN THESE OFFICES ALONG WITH THE OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE OF THESE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, THEIR, THEIR MAIN FOCUS OR THEIR MAIN OPERATIONAL AREAS AT THE WATERFRONT.
SUPER IMPORTANT TO REALLY GIVING THAT HIGH LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE MM-HMM.
SO, AND, AND KIND OF ONE LAST THING OF THIS DESIGN THAT, OR WITH THIS BUILDING THAT YOU DON'T SEE WITHIN THESE DRAWINGS IS ANOTHER KIND OF PURPOSE THAT THIS BUILDING WILL SERVE.
IT'S GONNA SERVE AS KIND OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND TECHNOLOGY HUB.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A PLACE FOR THE CAMERA SYSTEMS. AH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MARINE COMMUNICATIONS OUT THERE AND IT'S ALSO GONNA SERVE AS A FIBER OPTIC, FIBER OPTIC COMMUNICATIONS HUB AT THE WATERFRONT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING COMING INTO THAT IT SPACE YOU HAD ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THAT COMING IN THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY SPACE.
DID WE HAVE THIS IN PLACE WHEN THEY CUT THAT BOAT LOOSE DOWN THERE? REMEMBER THERE WAS A YACHT THAT PARKED IN THE, UH, THERE WAS DOCKED HERE AND, UH, KIDS GOT OUT THERE
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ON THE DOCK AND CUT THE, UH, CUT THE BOAT LOOSE.AND I THINK IT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, THESE CAMERAS HAVE HELPED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SOLVE SOME MYSTERIES DOWN THERE AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, IT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT CAN'T BE BE UNDERSTATED.
SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNEW THAT AS WELL.
SO ENOUGH ABOUT MY PORTION, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND HAND OVER THE PRESENTATION TO THE DIRECT OF PUBLIC WORKS ROB KRIEGER FOR A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHY WE'RE REPLACING THE CURRENT FACILITIES WITH A NEW BUILDING AND THE IMPLICATION OF DESIGN CHANGES.
SO I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT UPSET AT MR. WILLIAMS. HE STOLE A LOT OF MY THUNDER AND WHAT I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, BUT THAT'D BE OKAY.
LOOK AT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THAT.
TO TAILGATE ON, ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DARREN SPOKE ABOUT AND SOME HISTORY AND, AND KIND OF TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE.
UM, THERE IS NO SAVING THE PLUMBING.
UM, THE BUILDING IS 50 YEARS OLD.
UM, THERE IS NOT A POSITIVE FLOW FOR SANITARY SEWER.
AND THEN YOU RUN INTO A WHOLE LOT OF FACT, YOU KNOW, FACTORS ABOUT, UM, THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, HARDENED FOR STORMS. THE WIRING, THE PLUMBING, THE SANITARY SEWER, UM, TO TAILGATE ON SOME THINGS.
DARREN SAID YOU CAN'T OPEN THE, THE RESTROOMS YEAR ROUND 'CAUSE THERE'S NO HEATING, THERE'S NO, YOU CAN'T KEEP THE LIGHTS IN FREEZING.
UM, THE BUILDINGS ARE MAINTENANCE TENTS.
SO WHAT'S CAUSING THE, I MEAN, JUST THE OVER, UH, EXCESSIVE USE IS CAUSING IT A BACKUP OR IT'S USE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND WHEN YOU GET ONTO THE BEACH, UM, PEOPLE FLUSH SOME UNUSUAL THINGS, UH, IN THE TOILETS AT A BEACH BATHROOM.
AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY DOWN THERE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE DRAINAGE.
SO HOW, HOW DID THE NEW BATHROOM ADDRESS ALL THAT? WELL, BY ELEVATING THE BUILDING SOME, YOU'LL GET MORE POSITIVE FLOW.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY RESTROOM STALLS DO WE HAVE IN THE BUILDING NOW? SAME, SAME NUMBER.
THERE'S THREE ON THE WOMEN'S SIDE, THERE'S TWO URINALS AND, AND THEN TWO STALLS ON THE MEN'S SIDE.
SO WE, WE ARE DOWN THERE DURING THE EVENTS.
UM, AND WHEN SANTA CLAUS COMES TO TOWN, WE ARE IN THE PIPE CHASE SOMETIMES PATCHING THE, THE FROZEN PIPES.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, AS TIME GOES ON, PARKS AND TOURISM IS EXPANDING EVENTS AT, AT BREAKNECK SPEED.
IS THAT TRUE?
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH SERVICE IS COMING INTO THOSE PANELS? JOE MIGHT BE ABLE TO 600 AMPS NOW.
SO WE DID, UM, BLOCKS ARE DETERIORATING.
THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WITH UPGRADING THE MECHANICAL OH, UH, STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE DID TAKE A LOOK AT DOING SOME THINGS WITH THAT BUILDING, UM, BACK IN 2005, BUT ULTIMATELY DECIDED AGAINST ANY UPGRADES THERE.
THEY WEREN'T COST BENEFICIAL WITH, WITH THE AGE OF THE VEHICLE.
YOU COULDN'T BRING 'EM UP TO STANDARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE ELEVATION CHANGE, THE SANITARY SEWER COULDN'T BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND I WILL ADMIT THE BUILDING PREDATES ANY SORT OF, UH, A D A MANDATES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE MOBY MAT THERE.
THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THE BUILDING OR THE BATHROOMS. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY A FLOATABLE WHEELCHAIR THAT YOU CAN CHECK OUT AND TAKE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER INTO THE WATER.
UM, THEY STORE THAT IN THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT THERE IS NO A D A ACCESS.
WHAT'S SAID IS WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TAKE SOMEBODY THAT'S IN A WHEELCHAIR OUT OF THEIR WHEELCHAIR IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, WHICH CAN BE UNCOMFORTABLE RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE BREEZEWAY INSTEAD OF HAVING A NICE OFFICE OR A SPACE FOR THEM TO MOVE THEIR LOVED ONE OVER TO THAT CHAIR.
UM, SO IT'S RIGHT THERE IN BREEZEWAY IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE BEACH AND EVERYTHING AND SPACE TO GET IN AND OUT OF.
AND FOR ME, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY, AS A PUBLIC WORKS GUY, IT'S FOR ME, I STILL KNOW THAT AS THE LIFEGUARD SHACK.
IT WASN'T REALLY, I MEAN, WE CALL IT THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING NOW, BUT IT WAS A STORAGE SHACK FOR, I'LL, I'LL DATE MYSELF A LITTLE HERE.
CHERYL SOMAN STARTED HER JOB DOWN IN THE, OKAY.
THE BEACHFRONT AREA AT THE LIFEGUARD SHACK MEMORIAL DAY OF LABOR DAY
AND UH, I REMEMBER THEY WERE GONNA TURN IT INTO A DOCK MASTER.
I SEEM TO REMEMBER CHERYL HOLDING A, A COBRA CB RADIO WITH AN ANTENNA TRYING TO HAIL CHANNEL 16 FOR I GUESS THE SAME.
I I MIGHT BE GETTING INTO THE CAPTAIN'S BUSINESS.
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RIGHTING BOATS TO DOCK.UM, BUT WE DID OUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, CONVERT IT.
UM, WE DO GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS A A D A QUARTER, IT'S COORDINATOR, IT'S HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE GRANDFATHERED, I'M SORRY, BUDGET LIMITATIONS.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ULTIMATELY TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PLAN FOR THE BUILDING IN, IN THE AREA.
AN A D A COMPLAINT, YOU MEAN? MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND, UH, WE KNEW WHAT WE HAD FROM OH FIVE AND EVEN PREDATING OH FIVE WITH THE MECHANICAL ISSUES, THE ELECTRICAL AND EVERYTHING.
SO KNOWING EVERYTHING THAT WE KNEW, WE WENT OUT TO, I GUESS WHAT I'LL CALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN PUBLIC WORKS.
HEY, TOURISM, WHAT DO YOU NEED? PARKS AND REC.
WHAT'S A DOCK MASTER BUILDING? WE TALKED WITH CONSULTANTS, WE TALKED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEED A CENTRAL EVENT LOCATION.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DESIGNED THE CUPOLA IN MIND FOR A WIFI HOTSPOT.
EVIDENTLY PEOPLE AT THE MARKETS, I GUESS THEY CAN'T CHANGE THEIR TRANSACTIONS WHEN THEY BUY THINGS WITH, A LOT OF VENDORS ARE USING WIFI AND WHEN SOMEBODY SWIPES THEIR CARD TO TURN OR PURCHASE SOMETHING, IT JUST SPINS.
THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE, THERE'S CONNECTIVITY.
SO MANY PEOPLE DOWN THERE, NOT ENOUGH WIFI CONNECTIVITY.
AND THEN VENDORS LOSE SALES BECAUSE IF THE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CASH, NOW YOU'VE ANSWERED RUN THROUGH QUESTION.
IT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE VENDORS DOWN THERE IN THE MARKET.
AND THEN, UH, THEY CALLED IT SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M GONNA CALL, THEY CALLED IT LOGISTICS ROOM, BUT I, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE, I, I GUESS MORE OF THE INCIDENT MANAGEMENT AREA.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S RAINING, STOP THE SYMPHONY, CALL THE PARK SERVICE, SHUT THE ROAD DOWN, YOU KNOW, UH, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UH, AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY SUPPORT AREA AS WELL.
THE TWO BOTTOM PICTURES OF COURSE EXIST TODAY.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE THE TWO TOP, UH, BUILDINGS.
SO THE, THE TOP LEFT IS THE DESIGN WITH THE CUPOLA WITH, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT WIFI AND SECURITY CAMERAS.
DARREN HAS TOUCHED ON THAT BEING HELPFUL DOWN THERE IN THE, IN THE PAST.
THE BOTTOM LEFT IS THE FREIGHT BUILDING AND THEN UPPER RIGHT BUILDING THE GUYS THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S THE TENT THERE, THE STAGE AREA.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS THE UPPER LEFT.
SO WE, WE TOOK ALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEIL SAID, UH, WE DID KEEP IN MIND THE ARCHITECTURE AND H Y D C REVIEW IN MIND.
WE CONTRACTED WITH THE SAME DESIGNER THAT HAD DONE A LOT OF THE WORK DOWN THERE IN THE RIVERWALK PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE MATCHING ROOF LINES, KIND OF THE MATCHING CUPOLAS.
I WISH THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE, UH, GAZEBO THAT'S GONNA BE DIRECTLY BEHIND.
I THINK EARL'S GONNA SHOW THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, UM, IS A NICE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT LOOKS BIG AND IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU SEE IT ON, ON A SLIDE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, 3000, 3,500 SQUARE FEET, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
HOW, HOW, HOW MANY SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE THOSE TWO BUILDINGS THAT EXIST TODAY? SO, SO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FREIGHT SHED IS JUST SHY OF 2000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE FREIGHT SHED WOULD ACTUALLY BE LARGER THAN THE NEW DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE THAT IN THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THE SIZE, TO THE, TO THIS NEW BUILDING.
AND I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS.
IT MAY EVEN BE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT NOT, NOT AS NARROW, A LITTLE BIT WIDER, BUT YES, APPROXIMATELY THE SAME.
WAIT, ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID? SO YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS BUILDING DOWN HERE, THE FREIGHT SHED? NO, UP TOP.
THAT LOOKS COMPARABLE TO WHAT'S, WHAT'S RIGHT.
WHAT'S PROPOSED? SO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO, WE HAVE THAT DOWN THERE NOW.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT PHYSICALLY AND SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE BATHROOMS AND STUFF IN THAT.
THE BUILDING, THE, UM, THE FOOTPRINT SIZE AGAIN, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE, SO APPROXIMATELY 1800 SQUARE FEET IS THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING AND THE FREIGHT SHED IS 1,956 SQUARE FEET ON THE INTERIOR.
SO THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN THE, THAN THE FREIGHT SHED WOULD.
AND THAT'S THE FREIGHT SHED THERE.
AND YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE FREIGHT SET, I'M SURE.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD TABLING THIS, UH, FOR DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE WHEN I, LAST TIME WE MET ON THE SUBJECT, UH, I LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE DESIGN, THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED DOCUMENT BUILDING.
I SAID, HOLY GOD, THIS THING IS WAY OUTTA HARMONY
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WITH THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT'S DOWN THERE.AND, UH, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, IS NOT ALL THAT OUT OF LINE.
UH, NOTWITHSTANDING THE VERTICAL, YOU KNOW, THE 90 26 9 FEET OR WHATEVER, IT'S TO GET UP TO THE CUPOLA OF THAT, THAT BUILDING.
BUT I, MY CONCERN THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE OTHER THREE PICTURES, HERES IS IT GONNA BE IN HARMONY WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE? SO AFTER ME, EARL ANDERSON IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF SLIDES, UHHUH
WE KEPT THE H Y D C AND EARL'S RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, IN MIND WHEN WE DO ANYTHING OR DESIGN A BUILDING.
UM, SO EARL'S GOT A BUNCH OF SLIDES AND HE, HE'LL COME UP NEXT AND, AND CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF THOSE.
I DON'T WANNA GET OFF OF WHAT HE JUST SAID THOUGH.
UH, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS WHEN THE PRESENTATION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO IF I'M, I TRUST TRYING TO THE COMPARISONS IT IS GONNA BE, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT YOU HAVE COMPARISONS TO UNDERSTAND THIS.
'CAUSE LIKE YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SAME THING.
SO IF I LOOK AT THE, UH, WHAT USED TO BE THE, THE FLAG STORE, YOU KNOW THAT LITTLE AREA DOWN THERE? YES.
UH, IT'S NOW THE, THE, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT? GRILL, WATER, STREET GRILL.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE, THE, THE ROOF LINE STRAIGHT LINE ACROSS, YOU COME OVER HERE.
THIS IS A STRAIGHT LINE ACROSS.
NOW YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A DORMER PITCH THING IN THE FRONT.
OKAY? THAT'S DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE ON THIS.
NOW, IF IT COME OVER TO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT TOP RIGHT, ALRIGHT.
YOU GOT IT GOING ACROSS AND IT STEPS DOWN FULL NOTCH.
THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A NOTCH.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NOTCH THAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ONE ON THE RIGHT, IT'S GOT LIKE A, I MEAN, IF IN THE OLD DAYS THAT WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE A FRA LIKE A A A BARN.
AND THAT WOULD BE A KIND OF A LIFT TO CRANK OUT AND BALES AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE, WALT ON THE RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, YOU GOT CHARACTER ON THAT ONE.
UM, AND SO, UM, ONE, THE, THE PITCH LINE, I'VE BEEN KEEP HEARING A LOT ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE CHARACTER PART.
SO I COME DOWN HERE, THE COOP, UH, THE, THE DORMER LOOK, THE FREIGHT SHED HERE, A STRAIGHT LINE.
AGAIN, SO YOU GOT TWO BUILDINGS WITH A STRAIGHT LINE.
SO I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO A COMPARISON.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS WE GO ALONG, ALRIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND WITH ALL EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN MIND, UM, WE COULD CHANGE THE BUILDING, UH, REMOVE A CUPOLA, CHANGE A ROOF STYLE OR EVEN MAKE IT ONE STORY, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT SECURITY SITE LINES, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE A NEW DESIGN.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO JUMP THAT PART.
'CAUSE THE IMPORTANT PART WAS WHY DO WE GOTTA DO THIS? I MEAN, THAT TO ME IS DON'T DO SOMETHING JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT.
THAT'S THE PART YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOTTEN TO, WE'VE SEEN THE PICTURES, THE CRAPPY BATHROOM OR THAT PLUMBING AND, AND THE ELECTRICITY IS FINE, BUT THE QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP FROM SUPERVISORS ABOUT THE DESIGN PART.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT.
MAYBE PROPOSALS FOR CHANGES OR WHATEVER, BUT AT THIS POINT I WANT TO GET A CONSISTENCY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HELL WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S TIME FOR EARL.
SO EARL, I DON'T KNOW THIS CRE FOR YOU OR I WHATNOT, BUT AT SOME POINT I'M, I'M AT, I'M AT THIS PICTURE, THE FIRST FLOOR, AND I'M AT THIS RE RENDITION AND I'M THINKING HOW YOU SAID THIS IS THE BEACH SIDE, THIS IS WATER STREET.
THAT MEANS YOU COME DOWN WATER STREET, YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT ENTRANCES FROM MECHANICAL, UM, JANITOR AND, AND THAT FAMILY BATHROOMS. SO THAT FAMILY BATHROOMS OPEN UP, PEOPLE LOOK RIGHT IN, RIGHT INTO THE FAMILY BATHROOM COMING DOWN, COMING.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT BALLOT? WHAT IS THAT? UH, STREET.
VALLEY STREET COMING INTO, COMING, COMING TO WATER STREET.
UM, I DUNNO IF I'M TOO, TOO CRAZY, CRAZY ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF YOU FLIPPED AROUND, THEN YOU GOT THE MAIN ENTRANCE, I MEAN, WE, WE GET MORE IN MORE USAGE.
IS IT MORE TRAFFIC ON THE BEACH SIDE TO COME IN THE BATHROOM? BUT DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC COME THROUGH THE, THE SIDEWALK ALONG WATER STREET? UM, I THINK AS DARREN SAID, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEST TO HAVE IT COME FROM THE BEACH SIDE.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE STANDING ON WATER STREET IF THERE'S A BACKUP, YOU DON'T HAVE A LINE FORMING THERE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE OVERALL DESIGN CONCEPT.
SO WHEN THEY HAVE THE, UM, EVENTS DOWN THERE, UH, YOU TURN RIGHT, UH, SO THAT ROY, WE KEEP THAT OPEN, THAT'S A RUNNING ROAD.
WE CLOSE OFF THE LEFT AND IT'S RIGHT AT THIS POINT RIGHT WHERE THIS BUILDING IS,
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RIGHT? YES SIR.SO IF YOU, UH, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TRAFFIC MAKING A RIGHT TURN NEAR WHERE THE, WHERE THE BATHROOMS WOULD BE IF YOU PUT IT ON THE SIDE.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? AND AND THE TROLLEY.
YEAH, JUST RIGHT NOW THERE YOU WOULD'VE COME DOWN BALL STREET LOOKING RIGHT AT THOSE, AT THOSE ENTRANCES RIGHT THERE.
AND IT KIND OF, YOU KINDA LIKE, YOU'RE COMING TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE, WE GOTTA FIGURE A WAY TO KEEP THAT ATTRACTIVE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE TRAVELING DOWN BALL STREET TO TURN RIGHT OR LEFT ON WATER STREET.
AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THE BACKSIDE OF A BUILDING AT LEAST LOOK LIKE, LEAST STAY LOOKING ATTRACTIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO MOVE THAT ENTRANCE TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THE FAMILIES AREN'T OPENING THE DOOR.
RIGHT, RIGHT THERE IS OPEN COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BATHROOM.
I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, SIR.
IF I MAY, UH, THE FAMILY RESTROOM, THE USE OF THAT IS YOU OPEN THE DOOR, YOU GO IN, YOU CLOSE AND LOCK THE DOOR.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A PUBLIC RESTROOM WHERE YOU'D ONLY OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN ONCE YOU'RE FULLY CLOTHED AND READY TO LEAVE.
SO THAT WAS THE THINKING ON HAVING THAT ON THAT SIDE, YOU, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU EARLIER ASKED ABOUT THAT SPACE UP, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE RESTROOMS, WHICH IS JUST THE ROOM TO GET INTO THE RESTROOMS AND THERE'S A 90 DEGREE TURN FOR JUST THAT REASON SO THAT THERE IS NO SIGHT LINE INTO THE RESTROOM.
I I'M AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
I GET THE USE OF THE FAMILY RESTROOM, BUT ALSO THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FIVE YEAR OLDS WHO, WHO'S GOT, HE'S GOT HIS BATHING SUIT ON, HE'S READY TO GO TO THE BEACH AND OPENS THE DOOR TAKE OFF, AND MAYBE THE REST OF THE FAMILY ISN'T QUITE READY THERE YET.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LINE OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN, SO, OKAY.
SO, UH, THE COUNTY AS, UM, NEIL AND DARREN HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BROUGHT ON THE ARCHITECT THAT DID THE RIVERWALK DESIGNS, UM, TO, TO CREATE THIS BUILDING THAT WOULD MEET THE FUNCTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY BY OTHERS.
UH, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE ARCHITECT PRESENTED A BUILDING, IT HAD A GABLE ROOF.
UM, IT WAS ABOUT THREE STORIES.
UH, IT WAS ABOUT AS TALL AS THE HOTEL.
WHEN STAFF SAW THAT, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NO-GO.
SO WE ASKED THEM TO LOWER THE, LOWER THE HEIGHT.
UM, THEY DID, THEY BASED THE NEW DESIGN OFF THE TRAVIS HOUSE THAT SITS IN COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH, UH, HENRY STREET AND FRANCIS STREET HERE IN THIS, THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT.
YOU CAN SEE THE SIMILARITIES THERE.
YES, IT HAS THE SAME ROOF STYLE.
UH, A LOT OF THE SAME DORMERS THAT ARE THERE.
THE ONLY THING IT DOESN'T HAVE IS THE CUPULA, BUT IT HAS CHIMNEYS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW SIMILAR THIS IS TO THAT DESIGN.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR, TO
SO THOSE ARE FUNCTIONAL DORMERS HERE.
I'M SORRY? ARE THEY FUNCTIONAL DORMERS? THAT'S THE ROOM UPSTAIRS.
UM, THE BUILDING, ANOTHER BUILDING THAT MATCHES IS THE MOOREHOUSE, WHICH, UH, IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM YORKTOWN.
YOU CAN SEE A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE DORMERS.
UM, AND, AND THAT WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WAS THOUGHT ABOUT.
SO, UH, YOU ALL TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOOTPRINTS.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE SUPERIMPOSED HERE.
THEY TOOK A PICTURE OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING IN THE BATHROOMS, AND THEY SUPERIMPOSE THE MODEL TO SCALE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, OH, I SAY YES, HOW, HOW MUCH LARGER IT WOULD BE THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
IT SHOWS THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS GONNA BE BUMPED OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDE MM-HMM.
BUT AT THEN, THAT CENTER WAY IS GONNA BE CLOSED.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S TAKING UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S STAYING AT THAT FOOTPRINT WITHOUT GOING OVER, UH, WHAT IS NEEDED TO BE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ASKED THE ARCHITECT TO LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE HEIGHTS OF SOME OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS? AND SO THE, UM, THE, UH, GO BACK ONE DARREN, SORRY.
THE, THE GAZEBO THAT, UM, NEIL TALKED ABOUT, UH, SITTING BEHIND IT IS 28 FEET.
UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING'S 26 FEET TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF LINE THERE.
UM, ALSO THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN, IN THE AREA, WHICH YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT FREIGHT SHED THERE AT THE BACK 26.5 FEET.
AND THE AUXILIARY BUILDING, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS 31 FEET.
UM, TO THAT ARE ALSO SEVERAL BUILDINGS IN YORKTOWN.
UM, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES SAY THAT ROOF SHAPES SHOULD BE TRADITIONAL GAZE OR, UH, GABLE STYLE WITH SLOPES CONSISTENT TO SOME OF THE PIVOTAL AND CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
HOWEVER, THESE ARE GUIDELINES, THEY'RE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
UH, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES.
SO HERE'S ONE ON BACON STREET THAT HAS THE GAMBLE STYLE ROOF, WHICH IS PROPOSED FOR THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
WE'VE GOT, UH, THIS ONE ON CHURCH STREET, WHICH IS JUST UP THE HILL.
UM, YOU GOT THIS ONE ON NELSON STREET.
AND THEN WE HAVE, AND THEN ON, UH, MAIN STREET, ON MAIN STREET IN ITSELF, UM, IT'S O'HARA'S HOUSE.
AND THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.
THE MARLIN HAS TWO GAMBLER ROOF STYLES, UM, ON EITHER SIDE.
UH, WE HAVE THE MASONIC LODGE BUILDING MM-HMM.
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ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT BUILDING, WHICH USED TO BE THE RED COATS BUILDING, HAS A GAM STYLE ROOF.SO THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES IN THERE.
AND IT IS A WAREHOUSE TYPE BUILDING.
IT'S GOT, UM, DIFFERENT ROOF STYLES.
IT HAS A GA UH, ON THE SIDE OR HIP.
IT'S GOT A HIP ROOF ON THE SIDE.
UM, AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN DESIGN COMMITTEE ACTIONS.
UM, AS NEIL SAID, THEY REVIEWED IT IN 2020, UM, IN FEBRUARY, WHICH WAS A MONTH BEFORE COVID HIT.
UH, THEY REVIEWED THE DESIGN AND THEY SENT IT BACK.
UM, THEY TABLED IT AND SENT IT BACK WITH SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT THE, UM, THAT, THAT THE COUNTY NEEDED TO LOOK AT.
THEY WANTED THAT, WHAT WERE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE CONSIDERATIONS? SO THEY WERE GONNA, THEY WANTED 'EM TO LOOK AT THE MASSING.
THEY DIDN'T, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO LARGE.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO LARGE.
UH, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO BOX-LIKE IT LOOKED LIKE A BARN.
IT BLOCKED VIEWS OF THE RIVER.
UM, THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE HISTORIC GUIDELINE REQUIREMENT OF A GABLE STYLE ROOF RATHER THAN THE GA STYLE ROOF.
UM, AND THAT IT DIDN'T HARMONIZE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN RIVERWALK IS WHAT THEY SAID.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS THAT THE CUPOLA DIDN'T MATCH.
UH, SO THEY, THEY REVIEWED IT AND THEN THEY SENT IT BACK.
UH, COVID STOPPED IT, AS NEIL TALKED ABOUT.
THE COMMITTEE TOOK IT UP AGAIN IN MAY OF THIS YEAR AND THEY REVIEWED IT.
UM, THEY SAW THAT NO CHANGES HAD REALLY BEEN MADE SINCE 2020.
SO THEY TABLED IT AGAIN, ASKING FOR THE SAME, UH, CHANGES TO HAPPEN.
SO, UH, CAME BACK AGAIN TO THE COMMITTEE IN JUNE AND UH, THEY SAW THAT NO, AGAIN, NO CHANGES HAD BEEN MADE.
AND SO THEY DENIED IT, UH, TWO TO ONE.
AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, THE COUNTY APPEALED THE DECISION OF THE COMMITTEE AND SENT IT TO YOU AS PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR YOUR REVIEW OF ANY H Y D C MATTERS.
AND MR. GREEN KIND OF DETAILED SOME OF THOSE PREVIOUS MATTERS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE REVIEWED IN THE PAST.
THE FENCE, THE ELEVATOR, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SINCE THAT TIME, SINCE THE H Y D C UM, REVIEWED IT, STAFF HAS GONE IN AND MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT WE COULD, WE TWEAKED THE BRICK COLOR TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHES OTHER BUILDINGS DOWN TO RIVERWALK.
THE TRIM COLORS MATCH THE YORKTOWN PALETTE AND THE FENCE MATERIALS.
THOSE WERE ALL MINOR LITTLE ISSUES THAT THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT.
FENCE MATERIAL OF WHAT? FENCE? SO THERE'S A FENCE ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT HERE ON THAT PICTURE.
THERE'S A LITTLE FENCE THERE, WHICH WILL HIDE THE, THE HVAC EQUIPMENT THAT'LL BE OUTSIDE.
UM, THERE'S A GARDEN THERE NOW, BUT THEY HAD, IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE A PLASTIC P V C FENCE AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE AREN'T REALLY A GREAT YORKTOWN MATERIAL.
SO SINCE THEN WE'RE GONNA DO LIKE A, A, A FAKE WOOD KIND OF MATERIAL.
SO WE MADE SOME MINOR CHANGES, UH, TO IT.
UM, BUT OVERALL, HOPEFULLY WE'VE, WE'VE SHOWN YOU THAT THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS BUILDING, SIMILAR IN HEIGHTS, SIMILAR IN STYLE, SIMILAR IN, UH, IN FOOTPRINT.
AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO NEIL.
SO ON THREE DOORS RIGHT THERE THAT WE KNOW ONE ONE'S A BATHROOM.
ARE THOSE DOORS, FUNCTIONAL DOORS? YES SIR.
SO ONE IS THE FAR RIGHT IS THE FAMILY BATHROOM, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN THE CENTER MECHANICAL AND A JANITOR CLOSET.
HOW ABOUT THE DOUBLE DOORS? YES.
ENTRANCE TO THE GUEST SERVICES CENTER OF THE BOTTOM, MAIN BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
SO WILL THERE BE ANY SIGNAGE UM, WITH THIS? YES.
A SIGNAGE HANGS OUT SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM A LITTLE BIT ON THIS DRAWING.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UM, THESE LITTLE BLACK KIND OF LINES RIGHT HERE.
SO THIS WILL BE A SIGN THAT WILL STICK OUT.
AND SO I KNOW OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING SEE THE SIDE LIKE THAT.
AND THOSE ARE WHAT'S IN THE HISTORIC YORK TIME DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR SIZE.
NOW ONE THING, IF WE NOTICE IN ALL THE PICTURES YOU TOOK ALRIGHT.
AND IN FACT THE PICTURES WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THEY'RE SHRUBBERY.
IT'S NOT JUST A BUILDING DESIGN.
THERE'S SHRUBBERY AND THAT HAS AN, IT HAS A TENDENCY TO SOFTEN EDGES.
THINGS LIKE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THE FREIGHT SHEDS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
BUT WE MADE A NICE LITTLE ENTRANCE TO IT.
AND IT'S GOT SOFT PICTURES, SOFT EDGES BECAUSE OF THE PLANNING.
NOW IF YOU GO DOWN HERE AND YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE, THE RESTAURANT DOWN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT THE LIGHTING AND THE MOOD AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY HAVE A FEW PLANTS, UH, UP AROUND THE FRONT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GONNA CHANGE TOO.
AND THE SAME WAY WITH THE, UH, AUXILIARY BUILDING TO THE FREIGHT SHED.
SO WHAT KIND OF TREES YOU GONNA, YOU PLANTED FOR HERE? SO I'LL LET, UH, PUBLIC WORKS TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THE PLAN THAT I'VE SEEN SHOWS, UH, MUCH MORE, UH, GREENERY ON THE RIGHT SIDE PAST THE FENCE AREA.
UM, THAT WAS DESIGNED BY ASHLEY WHO CURRENTLY DOES THE WORK DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.
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THE BUILDING, ASHLEY'S THE ONE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE REALLY NICE LANDSCAPING SHE DOES OUTSIDE OF ADMIN BUILDING.AND SHE HERSELF CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN AND WILL BE OVERSEEING THE INSTALLATION.
IS THERE A ROOM LIKE FOR A, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL WORK DOWN THERE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE A MA A RED MAPLE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE ON THE EDGE HERE.
SO I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE HITTING ON A GREAT POINT AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE WANTED, DIDN'T WANT TO ENCROACH ON LARGER THAN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
'CAUSE WE STILL HAVE OUR GREEN SPACE ON THIS SIDE.
AND AS SHEILA MENTIONED, WE STILL HAVE SOME FLOWER BEDS ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE AS WELL.
THAT, THAT'S SOME BEAUTIFUL PLANTINGS.
UH, A ALIVE OAKS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN A LOT OF THOSE SPACE.
NOW WHAT ABOUT THE, WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, GREENERY IN THE FRONT? IS THERE SPACE FOR ANY OF THAT? I'M, I'M NOT SURE I FUNCTIONAL.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS THE DOORS UP AGAINST THE SIDEWALK.
WHAT WE DID TO MAKE IT A D A ACCESSIBLE IS BRING THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEW BUILDING.
I SEE WHAT YOU TO RIGHT IN WITH THE SIDEWALK.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH SIDEWALK RIGHT UP TO THE BUILDING.
STEVE, YOU'LL HAVE DOORS HERE.
SO IT'S GOING A VERY SMALL, THERE IS O OPPORTUNITY FOR HARD SCAPING POTS, PLANTS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE ALREADY IN CERTAIN AREAS.
WELL THERE'S CERTAIN KIND OF ALSO SAW THEM IN EUROPE AND REALLY LIKED THEM.
THERE'S ALSO CERTAIN PLANTS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE, UM, SOME SORT OF A, UM, HOLLYWOOD CYPRUS OR, UH, YOU CAN DO EVEN A KIND OF A, A TRELLIS IN A SPACE WITH A, THAT'LL HAVE A, LIKE A, UH, I'VE SEEN THOSE WITH BERRIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE PLANTS THAT GROW UP THROUGH THERE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO THERE, BUT I MEAN THE PLANT PART'S MISSING HERE, THIS GIVES THEM, IT IS A HARSHER PICTURE.
AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH PLANTS.
ESPECIALLY COMING DOWN BALL STREET, LOOKING AT IT JUST LOOK LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACKSIDE OF A, OF A BUILDING COMING DOWN THERE.
WE, WE'VE GOTTA SOFTEN THAT UP.
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK MORE SUGGESTIONS WE'RE GOOD AS FAR AS THAT.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT VIEW FROM THE WATER OR FROM WATER STREET? WATER STREET.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING TO SOFTEN THE BUILDING SOFTEN UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND AGAIN, THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO STYLISTICALLY TO TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW.
WE DO, WE HAVE, SO TWO THINGS, LIGHTS THERE.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE YES THERE WOULD BE LIGHTS ON THE BUILDING.
DO WE HAVE LAMPPOSTS? LIKE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A LAMPPOST ON THE END OF ONE FLOWERBED ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, WE'D HAVE THE HANGING.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE HANGING, WE'D HAVE HANGING PLANTS.
WHY NOT PUT THE LITTLE NOTCH ON THE END TO KIND OF SOFTEN IT? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE, THE CURRENT BATHROOMS HAVE THAT NOTCH ON THE END.
UH, WHY NOT? WHY NOT MAKE THE ROOF LINE A LITTLE BIT SOFTER? SECOND THING, WE'RE BUILDING THIS IN A FLOOD ZONE.
WHAT PRECAUTIONS ARE WE TAKING TO MAKE SURE THIS STRUCTURE'S GONNA BE HARDENED? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOWN ON WATER STREET A LOT OF TIMES WHEN IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT WATER.
AND UH, SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE JOE AND BETH CAN ADD SOME TO THIS, BUT WITH THE NEW BUILDING, WE WOULD GO UP AN ELEVATION TOO HARD IN THE BUILDING, PLUS IT WOULD HELP WITH THE SANITARY SEWER.
WHAT'S OUR ELEVATION GONNA BE? THE ELECTRICAL BOXES ARE EIGHT, EIGHT AND A HALF FEET ABOVE SIDEWALK PATH.
IS THAT WHERE THE ELECTRICAL BOXES? YES, THE PANEL FEEDS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOVE THE SIDEWALK.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DIMENSION, BUT WE, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT IT IS BRICK.
THE STRUCTURE IS BRICK, WHICH IS THE BEST THING TO WITHSTAND SOME INPUT FROM WATER AND WAVE ACTION.
UM, WE, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GET IT.
AS YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, THE MILITARY AT HOLMAN, UH, HOLMAN IT UH, LANGLEY DOES, UM, THE, UH, WHAT THEY DO IS THEIR DOORS, THEY HAVE DOORS, STORM DOORS THAT ASK LITERALLY SEAL THE BRICK BUILDING.
SO YOU JUST TAKE THE REGULAR DOOR OFF AND YOU PUT THESE DOORS ON, THEY CAN PUT 'EM ON REAL QUICK AND IT JUST LITERALLY SEALS THE DOOR.
AND UH, THEY'VE STARTED DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY GOT TIRED OF HAVING TO RETILED OR RE-CARPET THE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UH, SO I MEAN THERE MIGHT BE SOME, NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THIS BUILDING, BUT FOR OTHER BUILDINGS.
AND ONCE THE STORM'S OVER, FLOOD'S GONE DOWN, TAKE THE DOOR OFF AND, AND THEY STORE IT.
WE DID MOVE THE IT ROOM TO THE SECOND LEVEL, WHICH WAS A CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN TO, IS IT GONNA BE TILE ALL DOWNSTAIRS? IT'S ALL MASONRY AND TILE.
THERE IS NO DRYWALL, THERE'S NO CARPET.
EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN TO YORKTOWN KNOWS THE PUB TWO DAYS AFTER A BIG FLOOD.
THE PUB IS JUST BROOMED THE WATER OUT AND BACK OPEN AGAIN.
THIS FIRST FLOOR IS MUCH LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE TO GET RUINED BY WATER.
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LIKE THE NEW PUB, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YOU CAN HOPE SO.SO WHERE ARE WE NEIL? SO, UM, THAT WAS REALLY OUR, OUR PLAN PRESENTATION.
AND SO WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO DO IS JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THE DESIGN.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES OR NOT? DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED OR NOT? AND UH, I MEAN YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME IDEAS ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND LIKE SIGNIFICANT DESIGN CHANGES WOULDN'T CAUSE A DELAY.
HE HAS ENOUGH STAFF HERE TO TELL US IF IT'S A SE IF WE MAKE A PROPOSAL SIGNIFICANT.
SO I I, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HIT ON THE ROOF LINE THING, BUT KIND OF GO BACK OVER THAT AGAIN PLEASE.
UH, MR. SCRUGGS, IF YOU COULD POINT TO THAT, UH, THE ONE ON THE AARY BUILDING, AUXILIARY BUILDING AND LOOK RIGHT CORNER RIGHT UP THERE.
CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THE DESIGN.
IT WOULD PUT A LITTLE BUMP IN THE ROOM THAT FOR TALL PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF, YOU MIGHT BUMP YOUR HEAD BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
OR COULD YOU DO TWO OF THEM? I MEAN ONE ON YOU, ONE ON EACH, ONE ON EACH SIDE TO BALANCE IT OUT.
WELL, JOE, WOULDN'T THAT CALL SOME REVIEW DELAYS THOUGH? WHAT 16 DAYS? MAYBE TALKING IT, IT COULD CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS, BUT MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW IT WOULD IMPACT TOURISM EVENTS BUT THE ROOF LINE CHANGE, WELL THE CHANGE WOULD DELAY 60 DAYS AND SO YEAH, THE QUESTION I THINK, I THINK THE PRACTICAL QUESTION IS, IS THAT A CHANGE ORDER WE COULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE A BID FROM, UH, AND DO ANY DESIGN MODIFICATIONS WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA DO IS DEMOLISH THE OLD BUILDINGS.
SO IS THAT A CHANGE ORDER WE COULD WORK THROUGH WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, PUSHING AT 60? YEAH, THAT I THINK THAT ISN'T THAT THE REAL PRACTICAL QUESTION? AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES, WE COULD HANDLE IT THAT WAY.
ESPECIALLY IF YOU GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY OF HOW LARGE THAT CLIP CORNER IS.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT QUITE AS BIG AS THE OTHER ONE.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO TRY TO DO.
I MEAN, IF, IF, UH, ON THAT ONE TOM, IF, OR IF, IF THAT'S YOUR DIRECTION, THEN WELL WAIT.
I WANNA GET, I WANNA GET EVERYBODY SAYING SOMETHING HERE.
SO WALT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? NO, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I LIKE IT.
WELL HOW ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA CHANGE? NO.
NOW, NOW WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL THINGS TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S DOING THE RECORDING OF THIS STUFF THAT, UH, HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
UH, BUT I HATE TO THINK THAT WE MENTIONED SOMETHING AN HOUR AGO, 45 MINUTES AGO, 30 MINUTES AGO.
IT WASN'T PUT TO PAPER AND WE FORGOT ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF, I HAVEN'T THE REQUIREMENT TO WRAP THINGS UP FOR THIS.
I, I MEAN I, I'M, I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WE RIGHT NOW AT THE POINT WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE STAFF IS CATCHING THIS.
WHAT IS THAT? BESIDE, BESIDE, WELL WE GOT, HANG ON, WE HAVEN'T GOT AROUND THE ROOM YET.
SO I WANT TO GET TO, BECAUSE I MEAN SHEILA HAS SOME SUGGESTIONS AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE DOORS.
SO, UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING? SHEILA DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? NO, I THINK WE'VE COVERED AN AWFUL LOT ON THIS AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S CLARIFIED THE ISSUE VERY WELL.
AND STEVEN, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE DOORS? YEAH, ARE WE GONNA, I I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THE ABILITY TO MOVE THAT FAMILY RESTROOM ENTRANCE FROM THE FRONT THERE TO THE SIDE.
BASICALLY ROTATE THE THING 90 DEGREES MAYBE.
SO HE PUT A DOOR ON ONE SIDE AS OPPOSED TO THE BUT YOU'VE GOT THAT AIR CONDITIONING ON THE SIDE, RIGHT? THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT OVER THERE.
WELL I WAS LOOKING SO YEAH, I COULDN'T TELL THAT FENCE CAME ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING OR NOT ALL THE WAY BUT CLOSE.
HOW ABOUT IF WE CAN, WE WILL, IS THAT A A GOOD ANSWER OR WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH ONE BACK TO OR NOT? WELL, I MEAN IT IF, IF WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE NEED TO, I MEAN IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN NEGOTIATE WHERE YOU PUT THE DOOR ON A BUILDING? YEAH, IF IT CAN BE MOVED AND NOT CAUSE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THEN OR A D A THE CONTRACTOR HAS STILL JUST GOTTA PUT A DOOR IN, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUGE DOES A FAMILY, DOES THE FAMILY ROOM HAVE TO BE A D A COMPLIANT? IT DOES.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DOOR THERE.
NOW WOULD THAT NOT REQUIRE A WIDER DOOR THAN THE OTHER TWO DOORS? THEY'RE ALL 36 INCH DOORS.
SO THEY ARE, THEY BALANCED OUT.
YOU ALREADY CAN DO IT AS OPPOSED TO 24.
AND DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE TO THE MECHANICAL OR COULDN'T YOU GET TO THE MECHANICAL ROOM THROUGH THE JANITOR ROOM? I THINK YOU'D WANT THE JANITOR TO HAVE ACCESS TO ALL YOUR MECHANICAL.
I MEAN DON'T GIVE 'EM THE KEY TO THAT DOOR.
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I'M, I'M MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.TWO DOORS INSTEAD OF YEAH, SO GET RID OF THE MIDDLE DOOR WHERE IT GOES MECHANICAL AND JUST HAVE THE ENTRANCE TO MECHANICAL THROUGH THE JANITOR SPACE.
THAT WAY YOU ELIMINATE, YOU ELIMINATE THAT DOOR BUCKET, HOT BUCKET IN THE JANITOR'S CLOSET WITH WET WATER.
THAT'S WHY IT ABOUT SEPARATING, KEEPING AWAY FROM THE ELECTRICAL STUFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT MOP BUCKET IN THAT.
BUT ELECTRICAL'S OVER HERE ON, ON THIS END WHERE MECHANICAL MECHANICALS IN THE MIDDLE.
IS THAT THE ELECTRICAL? NO, THE ELECTRICAL'S OVER HERE.
SO I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU ELIMINATE THAT DOOR AND JUST HAVE THE ENTRANCE, MECHANICAL? I MEAN, I, OR DO YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THE MECHANICAL FROM THE, THAT OUTSIDE? I DON'T THINK SO.
AND ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEBODY BREAKING IN THERE AND THEN, WELL, THEY DO A MECHANICAL ANYWAY.
I DUNNO HOW MUCH, HOW, HOW OFTEN YOU GO IN AND OUT OF THERE.
WELL, HERE O OKAY TO GO ALONG WITH THAT THOUGH, TO GO BACK TO THE DESIGN AT THE FRONT.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I THINK THE BIG PART THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IS THE DESIGN ON THE OUTSIDE, NOT THE INSIDE.
AND SO WE GOTTA, YOU GOT A BALANCE ISSUE HERE.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE DOOR OUT OR TO ONE DOOR OR TWO DOORS, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A BALANCE ISSUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PUT IN ITS PLACE TO, TO COMPENSATE FOR THE, FOR THE LACK OF BALANCE.
'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN END UP WITH A, THAT SHOWS THE END OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S FAKE WINDOWS TO BALANCE THE END OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FULL WINDOWS THERE.
SO IF YOU MOVE THE DOOR AROUND TO THAT END, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S GONNA CAUSE A BALANCE ISSUE WITH THE DOOR AND A WINDOW THERE.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD VIEW TO HAVE THERE.
YOU LIVE WITHOUT MOVING? YEAH, I'M JUST ASKING.
IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING SIDE VIEW OF THE BUILDING.
IT LOOKS, ACTUALLY GIVES A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IT, IF THAT'S A SIDE YELLOW RIGHT THERE, THAT'S AIR CONDITIONING.
NOW THE ONES ABOVE IT ARE REAL WINDOWS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
SHE'LL GIVE IT TO WALTON CHAD, LOOK AT, YOU'VE SEEN IT.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE HAVEN'T, SO, SO STEVEN, I GUESS I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT YOUR INPUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN MOVE THE DOORS.
AND, AND IF THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T.
BUT I MEAN THAT'S, WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS HERE.
WHAT, WHAT POSSIBLE, AGAIN, I JUST, JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES, GET TO THE BEACH.
I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVE DOWN AND LOOKING AT THE BACKSIDE OF A BUILDING.
IT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACKSIDE OF A BUILDING, YOU KNOW? UM, I MEAN, YOU GET SOME TRAFFIC WITH THE DOORS ON THE LEFT, PEOPLE IN, IN AND OUT OF THERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF JANITOR MOVEMENT IN, IN AND OUT OF THE JANITOR.
THERE'S PEOPLE DRIVING BY PAST WATER STREET AND STUFF.
I MEAN, THAT'S STUFF YOU NORMALLY DON'T SEE IN A MAIN, IN A MAIN THOROUGH THOROUGHFARE.
WELL THAT BUILDING, YOU LOOK AT IT DOWN THERE.
NOW WHAT DO WE HAVE? I THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING TOWARDS NOW, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
BUT, SO YOU'LL HAVE SOME WAY TO FINDING SIGNAGE OUT FRONT AS WELL.
AND LAMP, YOU'LL HAVE SOME Y THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, THE LAMPPOST RIGHT.
THERE'S SOME HANGING SIGNAGE HERE AS WELL, SO.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA, WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, DID JANITOR OPEN UP WITH YEAH.
SO ANY, ANY OTHER BRIEFINGS, ANY OTHER THINGS, COMMENTS, WHATEVER AT THIS POINT? WELL, NO, I GUESS I WAS TRYING TO, UH, ON THAT, ON THIS LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DOORS AND THE WINDOW.
LIKE, IF YOU COULD TAKE IT FROM THREE DOORS TO TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THAT BE AN UPGRADE? OR WOULD YOU THEN NEED TO SUBSTITUTE A FAUX WINDOW FOR THE DOOR THAT WAS MISSING? I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WALLS ARE STRUCTURAL BETWEEN THOSE ROOMS. OOPS.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT THE JANITOR'S CLOSET, UNFORTUNATELY, THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT, YOU CAN'T HAVE RESTROOMS WITHOUT A JANITOR'S CLOSET WITH A MOP SINK IN IT.
THE MECHANICAL ROOM LOOKS WIDE WHERE WE CAN JUST MOVE THE DOOR AROUND.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT ISN'T IN THERE.
THERE'S THE PUMP FOR THE DOCKS, YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN YOU DO THE SANITARY PUMP OUT WITH YOUR BOAT AT THE DOCK, THAT COMES TO A PUMP THAT'S IN THAT MECHANICAL ROOM.
UM, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AND TRY, BUT I'M AFRAID WE'RE MOVING PAST WHAT WE CAN DO EASILY INTO.
WELL, I DON'T, LIGHT TAKES, I, I DON'T THINK WE, WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK, CONE'S COMMENTS BASICALLY ARE DESIGNED FOR KIND OF A COMFORT FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO USE THAT ONE ROOM.
UM, IF WE, BUT THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO HERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD ATTACK THAT ISSUE A LITTLE BIT WITH YOUR IDEA OF SOME, UM, LANDSCAPING, EVEN IF IT WAS SORT OF THAT'S WHAT I POTTED, UH, LANDSCAPING, SO TO SPEAK.
IT KIND OF SOFTENS THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER, ANOTHER
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SUGGESTION.THAT'S DEFINITELY POTTED PLANTS THERE.
I MEAN, IT CAN BE, I MEAN, THAT'S TREES OR SOMETHING.
AND THAT WAS ANOTHER CRITIQUE.
AND, AND THAT'S DOABLE WITHOUT REALLY MESSING TOO MUCH WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
I THINK, STEVEN, WHAT'S, IF WE DID THAT, THAT YOU WOULDN'T, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THIS OUT.
MOVE IT TO THE RIGHT SIDE HERE TO GO
HAVE MY DOOR GOING TO THE FAR RIGHT SIDE HERE.
YOU SUGGESTED, SO THAT WAS A SUGGESTION.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE MECHANICAL PARTS OF BECAUSE OF THE TANKS OR SOMETHING, OR WHAT? OH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
THAT GOES INTO THAT, THIS ROOM GETTING RID OF, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH THIS ROOM.
SO THEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO PUT A POTTED PLANT OR SOMETHING IN HERE TO BALANCE THE BUILDING OR JUST, JUST SOME MIX OF THOSE THINGS ALONG THE FRONT THERE.
IS THE CONTRACT WISE, IF YOU MOVE US AROUND, IS THAT A MODIFICATION THAT YOU GUYS CAN WORK OUT? WE'RE NOT TO MOVE IT AROUND, ARE WE? IT WOULD BE, BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT DOOR AROUND, BECAUSE THEN THE, YOU'RE GONNA BE WALKING IN RIGHT BESIDE THE, THE TOILET.
WELL, AND ALSO NOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE, THE END VIEW THAT REALLY SCREWS UP THE, THE, THE BALANCE OF THAT END.
I, I HADN'T, WE HADN'T SEEN THAT PICTURE BEFORE, BUT, UM, THAT WOULD REALLY MESS MY OOC D TO HAVE A DOOR THERE AND THEN THREE, THREE WINDOWS LIKE THAT.
SO ALL, SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT? WE DON'T, YEAH.
SO BASED ON, BASED ON THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD TONIGHT MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S JUST THOSE LITTLE BUMP DOWNS.
IS THAT EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTINUATION AND ALSO, EXCUSE ME, TODD.
SO, AND ALSO, UH, COME UP WITH A, A LANDSCAPE, WE GOT LANDSCAPING.
BASED ON THIS, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION, WHAT I WOULD, UH, LIKE THE BOARDS ASK A QUESTIONS, UM, WE, I WOULD LIKE, UH, TO PROPOSE BRINGING BACK RESOLUTION R 23 9 5, WHICH IS AN EXECUTED CONTRACT THAT TO DEMOLISH THE NEW, UH, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOCK MASTER BUILDING.
BASED ON WHAT THIS DISCUSSION'S HAD HERE, NOW WE'RE GONNA SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING BACK AND WHITE THAT CAPTURES THESE HALF A DOZEN OR SO CHANGES THAT BUILDING.
I WOULD THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF, IF THE ACTION THAT TOM'S SUGGESTING THERE OCCURS THAT, UH, JOE AND BETH WOULD, UH, ENTER INTO SOME NEGOTIATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND GOING FOR REDESIGN, PRIMARILY HAVING TO DO WITH THE, THE ROOF ANGLES.
AND THEN, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU AN UPDATE WITH A LITTLE RENDERING OR SOMETHING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AS SOON AS WE GET THAT RENDERING OR, SO WHAT I, I THINK THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO STEPS TO THIS.
ONE IS TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING.
THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD ON THERE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT A CONCEPTUAL, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME THINGS.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO VOTE IN AFFIRMATIVE FOR THAT, BUT I'LL VOTE FOR THE AFFIRMATIVE TO TEAR THAT WHOLE BUILDING DOWN.
SO, I MEAN, OUR CON WELL OUR CONTRACT IS FOR BOTH.
SO, AND IF YOU TEAR IT DOWN AND DON'T BUILD SOMETHING, THEN FOR BODIES,
UH, BUT IF WE AWARD THE CONTRACT AND WE DON'T GO FORWARD WITH IT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY SOME KIND OF PENALTY TO THE CONTRACTOR.
WAIT, WE MEET AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS.
AND IF THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
NO, IT'S, IT IS' IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
I KEEP THINKING STAFF AND WHOEVER CAN GET THESE THINGS IN IMPLICATED INTO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHO, WHO IS THE ARCHITECT BY THE WAY? WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED MOBERG, WASN'T IT RICK MOBERG? HE'S FLEXIBLE GUY.
WELL, WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS JUST WORK IT OUT AS A CHANGE ORDER WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
'CAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECT, THEN YOU GOTTA GO BACK TO THE BUILDING PLAN REVIEW AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK, SO CHAD, CHAD, WHAT? UH, SO CHAD, WHAT, UM, OTHER THAN THE, THE SITE LINE, OKAY.
I MEAN YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT A CON YOU'VE GOT A CONCEPT OF WHAT SIGHTLINE LOOKS LIKE.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN IT ON THE OTHER BUILDING.
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I MEAN, IF IT'S WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT HERE? SO, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA TRUST BUT VERIFY.I WANT THE, I WANT THESE TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'VE TAKEN YOUR CHANGES AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT.
YOU'RE, WHAT'S YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT JOE IN TWO WEEKS HAVE YES.
AND I'M SURE WE CAN GET ASHLEY TO DO SOME SORT OF A LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT WE COULD BRING BACK.
OKAY, WELL, THE IMPORTANT PART, LANDSCAPING EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS BUILD THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS THE CRITICAL PIECE HERE.
I WANT YOU TO COME BACK WITH A DESIGN WITH A, THE, THE WHATEVER WE CALL STEP DOWN.
THAT DO WORRY ABOUT THE, THE LANDSCAPING'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE UGLY DOWN HERE, BUT GET THE, GET THE TOP OF THE BUILDING DESIGN DONE.
SO DOWN THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY HANGUP.
WELL, DEREK, GO AND WE ALL AGREED TO IT AS A VERIFICATION.
CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT CAPTURED WHAT LOOK, THE H Y D C WAS WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR ALL AND HOW AND ALL RIGHT.
AND WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DECIDED ADDRESSES SOME OF THIS.
SO YOU CHANGE, YOU CHANGE THE BRICK COLOR, OR YOU VERIFY THE BRICK COLOR GO LIKE THE BRICKS THAT'S DOWN THERE.
NOW THE TRIMS LOOK, THE TRIMS WILL LOOK THE SAME AS WHAT'S DOWN THERE NOW.
WHAT WAS THE THIRD THING? FENCE MATERIAL.
WELL, THE FENCE, YOU'RE CHANGING, YOU'RE CHANGING THE FENCE MATERIAL.
SO WE ADDRESSED, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE THINGS.
ANOTHER THING TO SHOW ADHERENCE TO THE H Y D C GUIDELINES, WE ALSO PICKED FROM THE APPROVED COLOR PALETTE FOR THE SHUTTER, FOR THE TRIM, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THE PAINT COLORS FROM THE DOOR.
SO, SO WE, WE, WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE ASKS MM-HMM.
AND IS THIS PICTURE DIMENSIONALLY ACCURATE? IS SIR.
SO, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T LOOK TOO BIG, THAT LOOKS HUGE.
THIS LOOKS LIKE IT FITS IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE THERE.
AND IF YOU DRIVE, AND IF YOU GO AND IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THERE, THE TREE LINES TO THE LEFT ARE AS TALL OR TALLER THAN THE BUILDING ALREADY.
SO IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT ABOVE THE EXISTING TREE LINE.
AND IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE EXIST ABILITY.
SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT ADDRESSING FIRST BULLET POINT, SECOND BULLET POINT.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT AS BIG AS WHAT THAT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE BASED UPON THIS, UM, ROOF LINE IS NOT GABLE STYLE.
IS IT GABLE STYLE? WHAT'S ON WATER STREET GRILL.
SO, BUT IT, IT DOES MATCH A LOT OF OTHER EXAMPLES OF ARCHITECTURE DOWN HERE ALREADY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HARMONIZED WITH RIVER WALK.
SO I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME, THE SAME ROOF PITCH, BUT IT HAS THE SAME ROOF PITCH AS THE, SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
SO UNLESS WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION FROM THAT COMMITTEE OF WHAT DID THEY MEAN BY ORGANIZ? THESE ARE LITTLE THINGS.
THIS IS THE NEED IS THE IMPORTANT THING.
WELL, TO ME THAT'S KIND OF A, IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER HOLDER BECAUSE I MEAN, THE OLAS WERE SPECIFICALLY PUT IN TO MIMIC THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY AT RIVERWALK, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THIS IS WE WENT WITH A GABLE STYLE ROOF.
IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THE 26 FEET.
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HIGHER PEAK.
AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT THE ARCHITECT CAME AND IT WAS WELL, THAT GOT YOU THREE STORIES.
IRONICALLY ATTEMPTING TO COMPLY WITH WHAT THEY THOUGHT THE H Y IT WAS ABOUT.
WAS IT 10 FEET HIGH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK SO, YES.
SO THIS WAS AT 26 FEET, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A, A FOOT OR HALF A FOOT LOWER THAN THE FREIGHT SHED.
THE GABLE STYLE ROOF WOULD'VE BEEN 10 FEET HIGHER THAN THIS.
WHEN WE GOT THAT DRAWING, EARL LOOKED AT IT, I LOOKED AT, IT WAS LIKE, WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT AT THAT TIME.
I'M WALKING AROUND YORKTOWN ALL THE TIME.
I SEE THE MORE HOUSE, I SEE THE TOURISM BUILDING.
SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THERE'S TONS OF BUILDINGS LIKE THAT IN YORKTOWN.
WELL, YOU'RE ALMOST PICKING UP, YOU'RE ALMOST CLONING THE TOP RIGHT HAND CORNER BUILDING, TURNING NINE DEGREES AND PLANTING IT ON THE, ON EXISTING SPOT.
IF YOU CLONE THAT BUILDING RIGHT NOW, BOOM, YOU'RE DONE.
IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN WE MET DOWN THERE TO, TO PICK THE COLOR OF THE DOORS AND THE SHUTTERS, THAT WAS KIND OF OUR PALETTE WE PICKED FROM YEAH.
BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THIS NEW BUILDING NEEDS TO MATCH THAT AND COLOR AND BRICK AND EVERYTHING.
SO, SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO, OKAY.
I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
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TRYING TO MEET THE, THE, WHATEVER THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE HERE THAT GO ALONG WITH THE CONTRACT, WHICH EXPIRES ON OCTOBER.WITHOUT CAUSING A, YOU KNOW, SO WE NEED TO GET TO THAT POINT SO WE CAN EITHER, WE CAN GO ALONG WITH THE DEMO DEMOLITION NOW, KNOCK IT DOWN.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, BUT IN TRUTH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BACK IN ITS PLACE.
SO WE CAN EITHER TAKE, SO HOW DO WE BRING THIS? WE DO, WE, WHAT DO WE DO HERE TODAY? WE CAN DO STUFF HERE TODAY BECAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE ADJOURNED TO THIS POINT.
NOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
TWO WEEKS, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION? WE WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE BOARD, THE STAFF TO THE BOARD TO SHOW US THE NEW DESIGN.
TO MEET, TRY TO MEET TO WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.
I MEAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU JUST WANNA BREAK THAT LINE UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE ONLY THING I'VE SEEN SO FAR, WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ADDRESSED YOUR CONCERNS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PLANTS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME PLANNING DONE DOWN THERE.
AND, UH, WALT YOU MOVING FORWARD DECISION THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH.
WE, WE WOULD JUST MOVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WOULD YOU REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? NO.
IT WASN'T, NO, IT'S BEEN SO LONG.
UM, SO THERE'S NO, SO THIS WOULD FALL UNDER WHAT DO BUSINESS OR OLD BUSINESS, BUSINESS OLD BUSINESS SINCE THIS WAS TABLED BEFORE, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
WOULD THERE BE A, A PUBLIC COMMENT, TODD? WE ALWAYS HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT NOT ON NECESSARILY ON THIS SUBJECT.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT'S PART OF, IT'S PART OF OUR, THAT'S WHY IT SEEMED LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE THAT'S EVERY, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT AT SIX O'CLOCK.
SO I DON'T WANNA PRECLUDE CITIZENS COMING IN AND TALKING ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA COME DOWN AND TALK ABOUT, IT'S FINE.
BUT, UH, UM, I MEAN I, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GONE A LONG WAYS FROM WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, WITH NO, UH, WITH NONE OF THIS.
AND NOW WE'VE SEEN IT THIS DOWN THE AGENDA FOR DECISION.
BUT, BUT, OR IT'LL BE ON, I I THINK THE NEXT MEETING, I'LL BRING IT UP.
WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO DECISIONS CAN, DECISIONS CAN MAKE COMMENTS IF THEY WANT.
IF THEY WANT TO, WE WILL LOSE THE BID IF WE DON'T ACT THE, ALRIGHT.
YOU OKAY WITH THAT? PAUL, YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEP.
AND I DON'T KNOW WITH JOE OR WHOEVER, HOW MUCH SMALLER CAN WE MAKE THE COOPER AND STILL HAVE IT DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO? I THINK THAT'S A NORMAL SIZE.
IT'S PROBABLY A TIM WIDE OR A TERRY HALL QUESTION.
'CAUSE IT'S GOT COLUMN, THE CALM PIECE IN THERE.
I, WE, WE GOTTA HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME ANTENNAS AND CAMERAS AND STUFF IN THERE.
SO WE, IT'S GOTTA, IT IS GOTTA FIT ALL THAT, BUT, RIGHT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHRINK IT SOME SO IT'S NOT WELL THE CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME CAMERAS IN THERE REGARDLESS.
BUT THERE'LL ALSO BE SOME CAMERAS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH DO NOT LOOK INTRUSIVE.
IF YOU DRIVE ALL THROUGH THERE.
NOW YOU DON'T SEE 'EM, YOU REALLY DON'T NOTICE THAT THERE'S OVER 20 CAMERAS DOWN ON THE BEACH FRONT RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE THEY BLEND IN BECAUSE OF THE GREENAGE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.
SO, UH, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK THE CUPULA SIZE.
UH, IF YOU SCALE IT DOWN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF PUT BOTH FEET IN ONE SHOE.
THE QUESTION IS, DON'T, DON'T DESIGN YOURSELF INTO A CORNER WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, NOW, NOW WE CAN'T DO MAINTENANCE AND IT'S A PAIN AND WE CAN'T UPGRADE.
BUT THE CUPULA IN THERE IS GONNA BE TIGHT FOR SOMEONE TO GET UP IN THERE AND MOVE AROUND AND SERVICE AND, AND THINGS.
WELL THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
IT A SERVICE THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION THEN.
THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, I THINK.
OKAY, SO WHAT WILL, SO OKAY, THE END THIS, THEN THE, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND, UM, AT THAT POINT WE WANT TO SEE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SUGGESTED AND SOME DESIGNS SO THE BOARD CAN, CAN FINALIZE ITS DECISION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE AN OLD BUSINESS ITEM.
SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT, SO IT WON'T BE A SURPRISE.
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ALL RIGHT.LET ME GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, A COUPLE ITEMS, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JULY 18TH AND AUGUST 1ST.
OH, BY THE WAY, BEFORE I FORGET STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOU BEING DOWN HERE AND AGAIN, GOING THROUGH THIS WITH US.
UM, NUMBER FOUR IS PURCHASE RESOLUTION.
GONNA GET SOME AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT AT TAB, UH, AT THE TAB LIBRARY MEETING ROOM.
UH, NUMBER FIVE IS PURCHASE, UH, RESOLUTION SUPERDUTY TRUCK.
AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS, WHY DO YOU BUY A TRUCK WITHOUT A CHASSIS? SO WHAT'S THE CHASSIS
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ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TRUCKS THAT CAN BE BOUGHT OFF OF IT.AND THE ISSUE IS, BEFORE THEY WERE ALWAYS UNDER 50,000.
AND IF IT WAS IN THE BUDGET, WE NEVER BOTHERED YOU WITH IT.
BUT NOW, SINCE ALL THESE TRUCKS ARE COMING IN AT LIKE 60, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO COME WITH EVERY SINGLE TRUCK TO HAVE A BOARD VOTE.
SO BY, BY ALLOWING US TO DO THIS AS PUBLIC WORKS AND FLEET IDENTIFIES VEHICLES THAT WE NEED WHATEVER KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK IT HAS ON IT OR HOWEVER, HOWEVER BIG IT IS, IF IT'S WITHIN THIS CONTRACT, WE CAN BUY IT.
IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT YOU CAN BUY? COULD YOU, I MEAN, WE'RE AUTHORIZING UP TO 75,000 PER VEHICLE, BUT COULD YOU BUY A HUNDRED VEHICLES? UM, THE WAY THIS IS, OR COULD WE LIMIT IT TO, WELL, I MEAN, I'LL SEE THIS AS BEING A VERY OPEN-ENDED.
IT'S, IT PRACTICALLY LIMITED BY THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS HAS A CERTAIN BUDGET AND FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A CERTAIN BUDGET.
IT'S INTENDED FOR THE RE ROUTINE REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES THAT AGE.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU PUT A UPPER LIMIT ON IT, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A UNREASONABLY SMALL NUMBER.
AND IF YOU DO, THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
WE WERE JUST TRYING TO BE EFFICIENT.
WELL, WHO, WHO IN THE COUNTY, UH, HEADQUARTERS WOULD HAVE REPRESENT CAPABILITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER, YOU KNOW, YOUR VEHICLE IS NOW DUE FOR REPLACEMENT? WHO DO WE HAVE? THE TECH GUYS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL FLEET MANAGEMENT OPERATION, WHICH IS A DIVISION OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, WITH A, A BUNCH OF, UH, UH, CERTIFIED MECHANICS FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF VEHICLES.
SO IF I'M THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, I, AND I'M CONVINCED THAT MY THREE VEHICLES ARE DEAD, OR SOON WILL BE I SUBMIT THE APPLICATION THROUGH THE HEADQUARTERS, TURN IT OVER TO THAT DEPARTMENT OR TI PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF A DETERMINATION MADE THAT MY REQUEST FOR THREE IS VALID OR IT'S NOT.
OR IT SORT OF BOILS DOWN TO TRIAGE WHICH ONES ARE IN THE WORST SHAPE.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE FLEET GUYS ARE VERY GOOD AT IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THIS IS A HIGH, IT'S A BETTER VALUE TO REPAIR AND THIS IS A BETTER VALUE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON MILEAGE AND OTHER THINGS.
WE HAPPEN TO BE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY ORGANIZATION THAT THEIR CAREER HAS INCLUDED SUPERVISING FLEET MAINTENANCE, INCLUDING MARK BELLAMY, ROB KRIEGER, SCOTT ASHWORTH, AND, AND JOSH.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT FOUR PEOPLE IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WHO ARE SOMEWHAT EXPERT ON MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT BUYER REPAIR.
AND WE ALWAYS GO TO THEM IF SOMEBODY SAYS WE NEED A NEW X, Y, Z.
AND WE, WELL, WHEN I READ THE, THE RHEAD FOR THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, I SAID, WHAT'S THE CEILING? WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, IS THERE A FINITE NUMBER EITHER ANNUALLY OR BI-ANNUALLY OR, THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD, I I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, BUT, UH, THE WAY, THE WAY THE GOVERNOR PREVIOUSLY, YEAH.
UH, WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE ALL COMING IN UNDER THE $50,000 LIMIT WAS WHAT WAS AUTHORIZED IN THE BUDGET.
SO IF TO DO IT THIS WAY, IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME LIMIT ON IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A REASONABLE LIMIT WOULD BE IN A YEAR.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY BY THE NUMBER OF, NUMBER OF VEHICLES? YOU MEAN THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PER YEAR? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? I'M OKAY.
WE'RE LEAVING IT A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
I MEAN, TO TRY TO MANAGE THOSE THINGS.
I'M JUST SAYING THE RITA DIDN'T GIMME THE, THE FEELING THAT WE, THERE WAS A CAP.
IF YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR BEFORE GREG SMITH RETIRED, UH, OUR PURCHASING AGENT, HE CAME IN WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AND HE REALLY WANTED TO CHANGE THE DOLLAR LIMIT FOR VEHICLES.
HE ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I SAID, NO, DON'T, DON'T RECOMMEND CHANGING MY MY DOLLAR LIMIT.
SO HE WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL THIS IS, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
ALL THE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE OVER 50,000
SO THE 75,000 YOU THINK CAPTURES THE, UH, YOU GOT THE LIMIT.
THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL 60, 65 RANGE.
I GOT, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON, SO IS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEY'RE OUT THE DOOR PRICE, THE CHASSIS AND WHATEVER'S GONNA GO ON THAT CHASSIS OR YOU ARE WE SPENDING MONEY TO BUY THE CHASSIS AND THE SUMMER PURCHASE ORDER TO BUY THE UTILITY BOX? GO ON THE CHASSIS.
IT, SO WHAT ARE WE SPENDING A LOT, A LOT OF THAT COULD BE DEPARTMENT DEPENDENT.
SO WE'LL BUY TRUCKS ALL THE TIME WITHOUT A CHASSIS.
WHETHER AND, AND WHAT ARE THEY HAULING? WHAT, WHAT IS IT USED FOR? IS IT A DOG BOX? IS IT LIKE A SERVICE BODY WITH THE PANELS? RIGHT.
AND DO YOU NEED A LIFT ON THE SERVICE BODY TO DO SEWERS? IS IT A FIRE DEPARTMENT UTILITY TRUCK? YEAH.
THEY COULD GO UP TO A FOUR 50 LIKE UTILITY WITH A DUMP BED.
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KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE REPLACING AND THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.SO SO ARE THE PURCHASES HERE MAINLY THE, THE, THE TRUCK AND CHASSIS AND THEN ANOTHER WHOLE SEPARATE PURCHASE ON WHATEVER THE UTILITY IS FOR, FOR IT.
UH, SO YOU CAN BUY A TRUCK WITHOUT THE CHA.
YOU CAN BUY THE TRUCK WITH THE CHASSIS OR THE BOX WITH THEM.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT ARE, TYPICALLY WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE OUT OF THIS PURCHASE PROGRAM? WE JUST BUYING THE TRUCK, TRUCK.
SO ME MEANING THE CHASSIS FROM THE FACTORY MEANING A A, A BED? CORRECT.
ALTHOUGH YOU GET INTO THE ONE OFF BEDS, LIKE THE ANIMAL CONTROL BOX, BUT YOU DON'T BUY, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BUYING THAT ALL, ALL IN ONE PURCHASE.
YOU'RE JUST BUYING THE TRUCK HERE AND THEN BUYING THAT IN ANOTHER PURCHASE ORDER AND, AND, AND PUT IT ON THERE SEPARATE.
UM, SO, SO THESE FOUR 50 NOW RUNNING OVER, OVER 50 GRAND.
I GUESS I'LL TELL YOU, WE USED TO BUY THE FORD RANGERS BACK WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY DOING FLEET AND 14, 15, AND 13, YOU COULD BUY A FORD RANGER, UM, FOR 17 TO $20,000.
THAT SAME VEHICLE TODAY IS RIGHT.
SECOND QUESTION I GOT, DOES THIS RESOLUTION LOCK US INTO ONLY BUYING FOUR TRUCKS? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT.
'CAUSE THERE, IT, IT SAYS ALL, ALL IT SAYS IS BUYING FOUR TRUCKS.
IT DOESN'T LIKE YOU ANY VEHICLES OPTIONS TO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF CHEVY OR, OR HEAVEN FORBID, YOU KNOW, DODGE COMES IN CHEAPER.
NO, I THINK ALL IT MEANS IS IF IF WE GET ANOTHER, IF WE NEED TO BUY SOME SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, YOU KNOW, UH, COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACTS TO BUY SOME OTHER BRAND.
THIS IS THE ONE THEY FOUND THAT MAKES AVAILABLE.
THE THINGS WE, WE CURRENTLY RIGHT.
BUT IF, BUT IF, IF THAT DRIES UP, DO WE NEED A WHOLE NEW RESOLUTION TO GO? 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS ALL THAT, THIS SAYS SPECIFICALLY FORD TRUCKS AND CHASSIS.
SO THEY NEED TO GET ANOTHER ONE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER RESOLUTION.
IF YOU DECIDE TO GO WAVE FOUR TO GO, WELL, THEY'RE ALWAYS SCOURING FOR THESE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING CONTRACTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S A NEED IDENTIFIED FOR A CERTAIN KIND OF VEHICLE THAT ISN'T IN THIS ONE, THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER ONE.
THE LAST ONE ON HERE WAS THE ANNUAL PHYSICAL AND HEALTH ASSESSMENT FOR, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I TAKE A MOTION.
THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. KNOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
CHAD, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? YEAH.
I TALKED TO OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR KEVIN SMITH, AND HE FOLLOWED UP ON, UH, THE LIBRARY OF THINGS.
UH, ALL THE, AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CHECK OUT IN THE LIBRARY? SURE.
MR. GREEN GAVE AN EXCELLENT SUGGEST.
WHY DON'T YOU STAND, YOU GOTTA GET TO THEM UP HERE IN FRONT SO WE DON'T HAVE THE MICROPHONE SET UP.
COME OVER HERE AND SIT, SIT DOWN.
SO, MR. GREEN MADE AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, THE LIBRARY ALREADY HAS A, UH, LIBRARY OF GAMES.
SO WE EXTENDED OUR LIBRARY OF GAMES TO YARD GAMES.
SO VERY SOON AT THE YORKTOWN LIBRARY IS WHERE THESE GAMES WILL BE HOUSED.
TOP OF THE LIST, UH, PICKLEBALL.
IF CITIZENS WANT TO GET A TASTE OF PICKLEBALL BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR OWN PICKLEBALL SET, YOU CAN COME TO THE LIBRARY AND CHECK OUT A PICKLEBALL SET TOO.
WE ALSO HAPPY TO GIVE A LESSON.
UH, WITH, WITH ALL OF OUR PARKS.
SO YOU CAN CHECK OUT A DISC GOLF SET.
UM, THIS IS KIND OF NOSTALGIC, UM, UH, YARD DARTS, BUT THE SAFE, KIND, NOT THE ONES, THE BIG IRON SPIKES.
WE'VE GOT BOCCE BALL AND BADMINTON.
SO THIS IS A GOOD START TO EXTENDING, UM, OUR LIBRARY OF GAMES TO OUTSIDE.
WHY DOESN'T IT COME FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION RATHER THAN COMING FROM THE LIBRARY? WELL, IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S A LIBRARY TREND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO YOU CAN GO TO LIBRARIES AND, AND CHECK THINGS OUT.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THERE IS A TREND IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR LIBRARY SERVICES AND PARKS AND REC SERVICES TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MELT MELD TO COMPLI.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET THESE ITEMS IN THE WES LIBRARY, BUT YOU CAN WRITE DOWN HERE.
BUT ANYWAY, ONE, ONE LAST THING.
UH, THE, UH, SCHOOL STARTED, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, RENOVATIONS.
$19 MILLION WORTH OF RENOVATIONS HAPPENED AT SEAFORD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
UH, I WOULD URGE, UH, SHANDOR AND, UH, THE FOLKS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD TO
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CONSIDER HAVING AN OPEN HOUSE.UH, I SPOKE WITH THE P T A PRESIDENT ON, UH, SATURDAY AND, UH, MS. BAYES AND SHE, UH, SAID, HEY, UH, WOULD BE GREAT.
SO IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC AND, UH, SHOW EVERYBODY WHAT UH, THEY'VE DONE WITH THE RENOVATIONS AND, UH, WHY PEOPLE GOING DOWN SEAFORD ROAD.
WERE INCONVENIENCED SLIGHTLY
UH, IT'S, IT IT'S DONE IT FOR 20 YEARS JUST ABOUT.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT RENOVATION IS WHY IS THIS PICTURE ON THE WALL LIKE THAT? THAT'S THE STATUE IN THE BACK.
AND KNOW ONE THING ABOUT THE SCHOOLS IS JUST, UH, TO REITERATE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE COST, BUT, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, A HIGH SCHOOL JUST TO BUILD A HIGH SCHOOL, UH, LIKE TAB OR YORK WOULD COST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
AND NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL OVER THAT.
THEY'RE PRETTY GETTING CLOSE TO ABOUT 130 MILLION.
AND, AND, AND THE, UH, IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO GET FOR ABOUT 28 MILLION, YOU KNOW, NOW ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 TO, UH, UH, HIGHER.
SO I WAS JUST PRETTY AMAZED AT THE PRICE OF SCHOOLS.
AND THIS WAS A $19 MILLION RENOVATION AND IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ONE FOR A WHILE.
UH, WAL ANYTHING? YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS, UH, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT THINGS ULTIMATELY MAKE A DECISION AND WE FORGET SOME VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COUNTY.
IT IS, OH, THE 70,000 PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WE, WE RAN SUPPOSEDLY THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS AS BEST WE CAN AND SO ON.
SO I HAPPEN TO SEE THAT THIS IS THIS WEEK'S GAZETTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GET, UH, THE GAZETTE DEAR, BUT I SAW I SAID YOUR COUNTY, EX YORK COUNTY EXPANDING THE HUNTING SEASON.
AND I READ THE ARTICLE AND I SAID, MY, MY FIRST TIME THROUGH THE ARTICLE SAYS, MY GOD, THE HUNTING SEASON WOULD'VE ALREADY STOPPED THIS NOW MOVES IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO OCTOBER THE SIXTH.
WHY HASN'T THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING? BECAUSE IT'S A DIRECTIVE FROM THE STATE.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAD BAD THOUGHTS ABOUT YOU.
I I LEARNED ABOUT IT WHEN I READ THAT STORY.
I'VE GOT A LITTLE GAME HERE THAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLAY.
THIS IS, IF YOU COULD JUST REACH IT.
THIS CAME OLD TOM AND STEVE, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE.
BUT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THE SUBJECT.
AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THIS, WE'VE DONE THE RAILROADS.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHO THE HECK OR WHAT I, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT RELATIVE TO THE COUNTY, BUT IT PERTAINS TO THE COUNTY, IT PERTAINS TO DECISION MAKING ABOUT VERY CERTAIN IMPORTANT THINGS.
AND I JUST WANNA KNOW IF YOU AGREE WITH THE GAME, IF THE RULES OF THE GAME.
SO IT TAKES YOU TO READ THIS, IT TAKES YOU TO DECIDE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE GAME HERE? WHAT'S THE DECISION MAKING THAT THE COUNTY GETS INVOLVED WITH? IS IT THE APPROPRIATE DECISION MAKING OR NOT? FAIR ENOUGH? CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? NO.
IT TIME EVEN YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND YOU PLAY COMPLAIN, DON'T SHE? ALRIGHT.
YOU YOU, ANYBODY ELSE WANT ONE? NO, I THINK WE GOT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE? PAUL, ATTORNEY HE WANTS TO PLAY.
SO, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT.
I'M GLAD OUR COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR IS HERE, HERE TONIGHT TOO.
SO I WAS SPEAKING WITH A GENTLEMAN, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR COUNTY HAM, UM, HAM RADIO OPERATORS AND JUST TALKING ABOUT HIS, I'M GONNA CALL IT HYVEE.
IT SEEMED A, A LOT MORE THAN A HYVEE, BUT HIS TECHNOLOGY AND SO FORTH AND WHAT HE USES FOR, AND IT, AND IT DAWNED ON ME, AND Y'ALL HAVE MAYBE ALREADY EXPLORED THIS, BUT I WAS WONDERING, IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, MASSIVE POWER ADDED STORM, WHATEVER TREES KNOCKED DOWN, CELL TOWERS OUTTA COMMISSION, SO FORTH.
HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT PULLING OUR, OUR LOCAL HAM OPERATORS TOGETHER TO KIND OF SUPPLEMENT OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS? THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE UP IN LIGHTFOOT AREA.
YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS AREA WHERE YOU CAN'T MAKE PHONE CALLS AND SO FORTH.
HAVE WE EXPLORED THAT BEFORE? SURE.
SO THE HAM RADIO OP RAIDERS, UH, RA'S IS INCORPORATED IN FUNDAMENTALLY EVERY EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
AND EVERY TIME THE O C IS STAFFED, EVERY EVENT WE HAVE, EVERY DRILL AND EXERCISE, THEY'RE AN INTEGRAL PART OF WHAT WE DO.
SO WE GOT IDENTIFY THE HAM RADIO OPERATORS THAT ARE PART OF THAT PROGRAM TODAY.
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OKAY, GOOD.ALRIGHT, WELL I'M GLAD I'M BEHIND THE CURVE ON THAT ONE, SO THANKS.
THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP THOUGH, BECAUSE VOLUNTEERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY THAT GROUP.
UH, ONE, UH, IN THE CLOSE OFF, ONE LAST THING.
UM, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, UH, THE INFORMATION COMING OUT FROM THE MEDICAL SIDE CONCERNING, UH, COVID.
AND TODAY, UH, IT COMING FOR YEARS NOW, WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT COVID, COVID, COVID AND, UH, WE'RE WAITING FOR COVID TO STRIKE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE WORLD'S GONNA COME TO AN END.
AND, UH, STAFF'S HAD COVID, I'VE HAD BEEN WITH MY FAMILY THAT RECENTLY HAD COVID AND, UH, UH, AND THEN IT DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T UNTIL TODAY THEY CAME OUT WITH A COMMENT THAT THIS NEW VERSION THAT EVERYBODY'S SCARED TO DEATH ABOUT IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS, AS THE UH, UM, AS THE PREVIOUS.
WELL, THERE WAS A FOOTNOTE TO THAT.
THOSE OF YOU, ME INCLUDED, WHO HAVE THE SHOT OR THE MOST VULNERABLE TO THIS NEW DEFEND THE SHOTS.
AND, UH, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL RUNNING AROUND THAT, THAT HAVE NOT HAD ANY KIND OF VACCINATION AGAINST THIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, WHAT YOUR CHANCES ARE.
BUT IT, UH, THE NEXT MONTH IN SEPTEMBER IS WHEN THE, I THINK THEY CALL IT THE BIVALENT, UH, UH, VERSION WILL BE AVAILABLE.
THE SHOT WILL BE AVAILABLE AND UM, IF NOTHING ELSE TO WORRY ABOUT, THERE IS THE FLU.
SO YOU DEAL WITH THE FLU SHOT, THE, THE COVID SHOT AND THERE'S THE R S V SHOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT R S V, BUT I KNOW IF YOU'RE OVER 60, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET IT AND IT'S, I GUESS IT DOES SOMETHING RESPIRATORY.
SO ANYWAY, GO DOWN TO YOUR, YOU GOT A WALGREENS OR C V SS OR RITE AID? THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ISSUING THE SHOTS, THEN IT'LL BE NEXT MONTH.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAPPEN WITH THEM FREE.
DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE SHOTS FOR, FOR THE FLU ARE FREE OR NOT? UM, WELL I AIN'T PAY ANYTHING.
MOSTLY IT'S, IF YOU HAVE INSURANCE, THEY'RE MOSTLY COVERED BY INSURANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR US, FOR US THAT HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, UH, YOU GO GET YOUR SHOTS, IT'S FREE.