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THE, UH, YORK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION NINTH, 20 20 23 CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION.THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
THIS RESPONSIBILITY IS EXERCISED THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS CONVEYED BY RESOLUTIONS OR OTHER OFFICIAL MEANS, AND ALL OUR MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD.
THE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH VOTING DISTRICT AND TWO MEMBERS AT LARGE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
NOW, THIS PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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MEETING MINUTES, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES, SUBMISSIONS OR DELETIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.WELL, THERE, THERE ARE TWO SETS OF MINUTES AND THEY HAVE TO BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY.
SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT WILL BE FOR THE, AND I DON'T HAVE BOTH OF THEM HERE.
I ONLY HAVE THE ONE JUNE 22, JUNE 22ND WORK SESSION.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVING THE JUNE 22ND WORK SESSION.
THE MOTION BY MR. TITUS IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF WORK SESSION ON JUNE 22ND, 2023.
I'LL ABSTAIN AS I WASN'T THERE.
AND THE SECOND SET OF MINUTES IS FOR THE REGULAR MEETING ON JULY 12TH.
UH, ANY COMMENTS, CHANGES, MODIFICATIONS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION? MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE, SORRY.
THE MOTION BY MR. ROY IS TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON JULY 12TH, 2023.
UH, NOW WE'LL MOVE, UH, TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR CITIZENS'
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COMMENTS FOR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.UM, AND IF THAT'S RELATING TO THE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WE'LL WAIT FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
BUT IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING TO THE COMMISSION, NOT ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING COMMENTS, UM, COMING THROUGH ON OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
UH, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING
[Charting the Course to 2040: The York County Comprehensive Plan: Pursuant to Section 15.2- 2235 of the Code of Virginia, the Planning Commission held a public hearing at its June 14 meeting to receive comments on the draft Comprehensive Plan, which is available for review on the York County website at www.york2040.com. At its June 22 work session, the Commission decided to hold a second public hearing at its August 9 meeting to give citizens another opportunity to comment on the draft Plan. The Commission also agreed to suspend the rules by extending the time limit for speakers from three to five minutes for this public hearing]
IS, UH, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.UH, THIS IS GONNA BE AN UNUSUAL, UH, TIMING FOR US.
UH, AND I ASK THE COMMISSIONERS IF THAT'S, UH, A MOTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TO EXTEND IT FROM THREE MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES, UH, WITH A REMINDER THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE A 32ND REMINDER THAT'S YOUR YELLOW LIGHT.
UH, THAT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO WRAP IT UP.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL CLOSE AT THE FIVE MINUTE POINT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU RECALL, AT OUR UH, PLAN COMMISSION WORK SESSION, WE AGREED TO EXTEND THE TIME PERIOD FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS RELATED TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS MEETING FROM THREE TO FIVE MINUTES.
AND, UH, AS YOU HAVE STATED, UH, THERE'LL BE A 32ND WARNING BEFORE THAT IS.
SO THE OFFICIAL MOTION HERE I'M PRESENTING IS A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES SET FORTH IN ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION TWO B OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 10, SECTION TWO OF THE BYLAWS TO INCREASE THE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS FROM THREE MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.UH, ROLL CALL A MISSION BY MR. KING INSTITUTE.
SUSPEND THE RULES SET FORTH IN ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION TWO B OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 10, SECTION TWO OF THE BYLAWS TO INCREASE THE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS FROM THREE MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMPREHENSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO PRESENT TONIGHT.
UH, JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, TIMELINE.
UM, YOU ALL HAD A PUBLIC HEARING BACK ON JUNE 14TH ON THE DRAFT PLAN.
AND, UH, FOLLOWING THAT, YOU HAD A WORK SESSION ON THE 22ND.
UM, AND THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL MADE AT THAT WORK SESSION, UH, ARE DOCUMENTED.
ANYTHING INCLUDED IN YOUR, UH, PACKAGE.
WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE COMMISSIONED COMMENTS, ALL, EVERY, ALL THE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL SAID YOU WANTED TO SEE IN THE PLAN, AND WE INCORPORATED THOSE CHANGES.
AND YOU HAVE THE REPLACEMENT PAGES IN YOUR PACKAGE, AND THOSE WERE ALSO POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A SUMMARY, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, DOCUMENTING, UH, EACH EACH OF THOSE CHANGES.
UM, AT THE, UH, WORK SESSION, YOU ALL DECIDED THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, AND, UH, TO GIVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR SPEAKERS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, OUR GOAL IS FOR THE, YOU, YOU MAY NOTICE WE DID NOT GIVE YOU A RESOLUTION TO ADOPT.
WE'RE NOT EXPECTING YOU TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT.
UH, WE ARE TARGETING THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE ON THE COMP PLAN FOR YOUR SEPTEMBER 13TH REGULAR MEETING.
SO, UH, IF THERE ARE, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT THE COMMISSION, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION, UH, WANTS TO MAKE TO THE PLAN, UH, WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, UH, KNOW THAT TONIGHT, UH, AFTER YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION, UH, AGAIN, IF THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT YOU WANNA SEE BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS COME UP SINCE THE WORK SESSION, UH, WE WERE TO APPRECIATE, UH, LEARNING THAT TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE THE, INCORPORATE WHATEVER CHANGES ARE NEEDED AND SEND YOU ANOTHER SET OF REPLACEMENT PAGES IN ADVANCE OF THE SEVEN SEPTEMBER, UH, 13TH MEETING.
UH, THERE IS ONE CHANGE THAT THE STAFF, UH, WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, AND THIS IS TO THE FUTURE, 2040, THE FUTURE, UH, LAND USE MAP.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, UH, IS THE AREA BETWEEN FORT YUS BOULEVARD AND THE C S X, UH, RAILROAD TRACKS.
UH, JUST OFF OF ROUTE 17, IF YOU SEE THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE THERE, WHICH IS OWN, UH, WHICH IS, UH, DESIGNATED GENERAL BUSINESS, UH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE MAP, UH, ONE THING THAT WE, THAT GOT BY US, UH, IS THAT THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY NOW OWNED BY NEW NEWPORT NEWS WATERWORKS.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WATERSHED PROPERTY, WE TYPICALLY DESIGNATE AS CONSERVATION.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND, UH, THAT YOU, UH, MAKE THAT CHANGE, UH, CHA CHANGING THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THAT PROPERTY TO, UH, CONSERVATION.
YOU CAN SEE THE CONSERVATION LAND TO THE WEST OF IT, ALSO PART OF THE NEW PRINT NEWS WATERSHED.
UH, SO WHATEVER EL ELSE YOU DECIDE TO DO TONIGHT, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT CHANGE.
ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE HEARING? OKAY.
UH, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO DISCUSS THE DRAFT PLAN.
UM, I HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED UP AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK, UH, THERE IS A FORM OUTSIDE, UH, THE DOOR THERE.
IF YOU CAN FILL ONE OF THOSE OUT, PLEASE AND BRING IT OVER TO THE SECRETARIES, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE YOU.
UM, AGAIN, REMINDER THAT IT'S A FIVE MINUTE TIME PERIOD.
UH, THE YELLOW LIGHT COMES ON WITH 30 SECONDS.
IF YOU'LL TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, SO WE GIVE EVERYBODY AN
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OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SPEAK TO THEM.UH, FIRST UP, I HAVE, UH, DELILAH JOHNSON TO MAKE SURE WE PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND FELLOW YOUR COUNTY RESIDENTS, DALILA JOHNSON, 1 0 4 CHART WORD TRACE.
I'M HERE SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT TO ASK THIS BOARD TO PLACE A RESET BUTTON ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 2040.
THERE ARE MANY REASONS TO HIT THIS RESET ON THIS PLANNING.
THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE, OUR COUNTY HAS GONE THROUGH ONE IN A LIFETIME PANDEMIC THAT HAS CHANGED THE RULES AND MODUS OFAND OF EVERY SECTOR OF OUR ECONOMY AND A WAY OF LIFE.
AND ALL OF THIS COMMITTEE HAS TRIED TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAVE YET TO SEE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE STILL YET TO COME.
SECOND, AND MAYBE NOT AS WELL KNOWN BY MANY RESIDENTS IS OUR RECENT STATE AND OUR VERY OWN, YOUR COUNTY FOR DISTRICTING.
SINCE THIS COMMITTEE DEVELOPED DISCIPLINE, OUR COUNTY DISTRICT LINES WERE REDRAWN BY THE MASSIVE INCREASE IN DEMOGRAPHICS THAT HAS OCCURRED IN DISTRICT ONE.
THE PAST FOUR YEARS HAVE SEEN A FLURRY OF CONSTRUCTIONS AND REDEVELOPED IN THE UPPER AND LOWER COUNTY THAT HAS LEFT THE REMAINING DISTRICTS AND UNEQUAL FOOTING.
SO MUCH SO THAT IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A REDISTRIBUTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS HAPPEN AMONGST DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY ONE AND THREE.
THIS ALONE SHOULD BE A REASON TO PAUSE AND RESET SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS AND OBJECTIVES INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I TO THIS DISCUSS YOUR DRAFT ALMOST STATES AS A FACT.
THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE WILL BE ADDING A PORT OF COAL TO OUR BEAUTIFUL, HISTORIC, AND WELL-PRESERVED RIVER WALK.
THIS WILL NOT BRING FINANCIAL GAIN OR ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT TO OUR PRISTINE AND LOCAL YOURTOWN BEACH OR COUNTY.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THE COAST GUARD STATION OR NAVAL WEAPON STATIONS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF TWO MILES FROM OUR RIVER WALL WOULD ALREADY HAVE A PEER.
AS A NAVY VETERAN, I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY OF THOSE SECURES BASES WELCOMING THE IDEA OF HAVING TALK BOATS FARING PASSENGERS TO THE RIVER LANDING.
I AM NOT GOING TO DIVE INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL NIGHTMARE.
THIS WILL BE FOR OUR CHESAPEAKE BAY.
SUFFICE TO SAY THE WAY IN WHICH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE MANAGED THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL OF THIS CRUISE LINE VENTURE AND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS IS LESS THAN A STELLAR.
THE LAX TRANSPARENCY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS YOUR COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEEDS A CODE OF ETHICS.
FINALLY, AS A TEACHER, MY MOST ARDENT REASON AND PLEA TO THIS COMMITTEE TO HIT THE RESET BUTTON IS THE STATE OF OUR SCHOOL.
AT THIS FLURRY OF DEVELOPMENTS, REZONING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN OCCURRING.
NO INCREASE IN INVESTMENTS HAS BEEN FLOWING INTO OUR SCHOOL INFRASTRUCTURE.
I SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT OUR BREW SOON, WHICH HAS ENDURED THE GREATEST IMPACT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
AS WE STAND HERE TODAY, OUR STUDENTS IN THE BRU STONE WILL WELCOME 2324 CALENDAR YEAR IN TRAILERS OFFSITE CAMPUS.
THIS WILL CREATE IMMEDIATE SAFETY ISSUES FOR OUR STUDENTS, TEACHERS, AND STAFF.
THE MAIN REASON FOR THESE TRAILERS IS TWOFOLD.
OUR SCHOOL BOARD CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, LET'S CALL IT A WORK IN PROGRESS.
FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, EVERY IMPROVEMENT ZONE FOR BRUTON SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN DELAYED, MODIFIED, MOVED TO A FUTURE DATE.
AS OF TONIGHT, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS CALLS FOR A NEW WIN FOR OUR QUEENS LAKE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO BE BUILT IN 2022.
YORK COUNTY DID NOT BUILD THAT WIN, BUT WE DID WELCOME OVER 200 MORE STUDENTS TO THAT SCHOOL.
OUR SCHOOL STAFF HAVE BECOME EXTREMELY RESOURCEFUL AND HAVE USED EVERY NICK AND CRANNY OF THAT BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE AND WELCOME EVERY STUDENT WE HAVE, HOWEVER, OUR STUDENTS DESERVE BETTER.
SECOND, THE MASSIVE AND RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISTRICT.
ONE HAS HEARD ABOUT CONSTANT INFLUX OF FAMILY WITH THE STUDENTS TO THE AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THE NORMAL, LOCAL AND MILITARY FAMILY TRANSFERS, THIS TREND IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE.
THIS PLANNING COMMITTED MUST TAKE SERIOUS LOOK AT THEIR CURRENT OBJECTIVES.
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS MANY PEOPLE MOVE AND STAY IN YOUR COUNTY IS OUR SCHOOLS AND THE TRANQUIL LIFE THAT YOUR COUNTY OFFERS.
IN CONTRAST TO OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, QUALITY OF LIFE IS A BALANCE THAT WE MUST STRIVE FOR.
IF YOUR COUNTY IS TO ATTRACT THE YOUNGER, KNOWLEDGEABLE WORKERS, ENTREPRENEUR DISCIPLINES TALKS ABOUT, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERN OF OUR COMMUNITY, REMAIN FLEXIBLE AND ACCEPT CHANGES, THE FUTURE BELONGS TO THOSE THAT LISTEN, LEARN, AND ADAPT.
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UM, MR. TOM, UH, IS IT BELLMAN? BELLON CHAMBERLAIN.UM, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD, UH, WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK AGAIN ON, ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THAT BY THE, THE PLAN COMMITTEE AND AS WELL AS STAFF.
UM, BUT THERE'S ONE PART THAT I, I SPOKE AT ABOUT LAST TIME, AND, UH, I WENT AND READ IT AGAIN TODAY.
THERE ARE SEVEN ROADS LISTED IN THE PLAN AS THE MOST DANGEROUS ROADS IN YORK COUNTY, AND THEY LIST ALL THOSE ROADS.
AND IN A SUMMARY A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, IT TALKS ABOUT WE HAVE NO MONEY TO FIX 'EM.
UM, SO WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE UPWARDS OF THREE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY, THREE HUNDRED EIGHTY INJURIES PER YEAR IN CLIMBING, UM, THROUGH VEHICLE CRASHES IN, IN YORK COUNTY.
UM, I HAPPEN TO LIVE ON ONE OF THOSE ROADS.
BARLOW ROAD IS LISTED ON THAT, UH, ON THAT LIST.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
UM, AND IT JUST CONCERNS ME THAT WE IDENTIFY, WE'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND TO HAVE THAT IN OUR STRATEGIC 2040 PLAN THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT, UM, REALLY BOTHERS ME.
AND I PROPOSED A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE LAST TIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THE ATTORNEYS DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN TO PUT A, A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE.
AND, AND THIS WHOLE PLAN IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS REQUIRED TO DO.
IT IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
PUT A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE THAT SAYS, AND PICK THE NUMBERS.
SO FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, 25% OF ANY SURPLUS IN THE BUDGET WILL BE ALLOCATED TO FIX ONE OF THESE ROADS AND PICK A ROAD.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE ONE I LIVE ON.
PICK ONE OF THESE AND LET'S LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING.
AND IF THE 25% OF THE SURPLUS ISN'T THE RIGHT NUMBER, 500,000 A YEAR, A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, PUT, PUT SOMETHING IN THERE TO RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY REALLY LOOK AT TAKING SOME ACTION ON THESE ROADS.
I POINT OUT THAT THE ONLY PROJECT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED TO DATE IS THE REALIGNMENT OF GOVERNMENT ROAD AT, AT PENMAN.
AND THAT REALIGNMENT, WHICH ISN'T ANY OF THESE, BY THE WAY, UM, CONSUMES A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SIX YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET FOR SMALL ROAD TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.
SO SIX YEARS, ONE INTERSECTION, ONE ROAD, YET WE'RE PUTTING TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO A RESTAURANT JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM HERE THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT ONE INDIVIDUAL AND MAKE HIM MORE MONEY.
WHO BY THE WAY, AS OF THE LAST LOOKING I DID IS THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO THE CAMPAIGNS FOR THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, UM, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMING UP IN THE RECENT ELECTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHERE OUR MONEY IS GOING.
AND I'M ASKING THAT I GET REDIRECTED.
AND LET'S GO FIX ONE OF THESE ROADS.
UH, NEXT STEP I HAVE, UH, MR. RICHARD HOWELL.
I LIVE WITH 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE, WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING.
I PROMISE NOT TO USE ALL FIVE MINUTES.
I HAVE THREE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS A TERMINOLOGY CHANGE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE TINY LITTLE CHANGE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE 17 OF, UH, THE DRAFT, EXCUSE ME, 18, TOP OF PAGE 18.
UH, AND IN THAT, UH, STATEMENT, UH, THIS IS WITHIN THE SECTION THAT TALKS TO, UM, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ARE NOT NECESSARILY INCOMPATIBLE.
AND IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BECOME, UH, FOR, UH, DECISIONS.
UH, BEFORE THE DECISION MAKERS.
IT SAYS THAT SUCH A REVIEW ENSURES THAT AFFECTED NEIGHBORS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR FEELINGS KNOWN TO THE DECISION MAKERS.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I DON'T COME BEFORE YOU AND NOR DO MOST OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS TO EXPRESS OUR FEELINGS.
WHAT WE COME BEFORE YOU TO EXPRESS IS OUR POSITION OF OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT.
AND SO, AS A VERY SINGULAR POINT OF ORDER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE MAKE A CHANGE TO THAT VERBIAGE
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TO STATE TO ADDRESS THEIR POSITION OF OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT TO THE DECISION MAKERS.ITEM NUMBER TWO, A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
UH, WE TALK IN THE SAME AREA AND ALSO IN THE AREA WHERE WE DESCRIBE CITIZEN INPUT ABOUT, UH, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF HOME OCCUPATIONS, HOME-BASED BUSINESSES, AND IN SHORT TERM RENTALS COME INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
THE INTERESTING THING IS, UH, WE USE THE TERMS HOME OCCUPATIONS AND HOME-BASED BUSINESSES SYNONYMOUSLY.
THEY FALL UNDER BASICALLY THE SAME RULES.
YET WE'RE VERY DISTINCT AND SEPARATE ABOUT HOW WE TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THEY'RE NOT YET, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE STUDY, I'LL USE A TERM ANOTHER HAS USED.
THEY'RE BOOTSTRAPPED TO THE WHOLE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I THINK THAT IT, THAT A VERY SPECIFIC DISSECTION NEEDS TO BE MADE BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
VERY PLAINLY, YOU HAVE SAID THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN EVERYTHING THAT YOU WRITE IN YOUR, IN YOUR RULES TO DATE AND HOW YOU ADDRESS THEM VERY SPECIFICALLY.
YOU SAY THAT A HOME OCCUPATION, HOME-BASED BUSINESS CAN'T USE, BUT 25% OF THE HOME, YOU SAY THAT THE OWNER MUST RESIDE THERE.
YOU RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CAN BE THERE, CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YET ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WE SAY THAT AT LEAST CURRENTLY WE SAY THAT, UH, OWNER DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S ENOUGH DISTINCTION.
WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHEN MAKING ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE SAYING WHEN WE'VE NOT DEFINED THE TERMINOLOGY THAT THEY'RE RESPONDING TO.
AND TO MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION IS INVALID.
NOW, THE LAST POINT I'M GONNA MAKE IS ONE THAT EACH OF THESE SECTIONS WITHIN THE PLAN ENDS WITH A STATEMENT OF GOALS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PLAN TO DO ABOUT THEM.
AND YET IN THIS SECTION, THERE AREN'T ANY, WHEN WE TALK TO AND THE SMALL MENTION THAT WE MAKE THE WHOLE ISSUE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, TOURIST HOMES, WE DON'T ESTABLISH ANY GOALS.
WE DON'T ESTABLISH ANY PLANS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND YET FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE MADE IT VERY PLAIN THAT THEY WANT MORE SPECIFIC RULES, GUIDELINES, IF YOU WILL, ON HOW TO HANDLE THEM.
THEY WANT BETTER THINGS TO HANG THEIR HAT ON IN THEIR DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
THAT HAS BEEN A GOAL OF THEIRS.
AND YET WE MAKE NO MENTION OF IT AS A GOAL IN THIS PLAN.
I THINK AS A MINIMUM, WE SHOULD ECHO THEIR GOAL TO PROVIDE, TO WORK ON, TO DRAFT MORE EFFECTIVE GUIDELINES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UH, NEXT UP I HAVE, UH, STEVEN KENNEDY.
UH, STEVE KENNEDY, 1 0 4 PENN DRIVE.
ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOLUNTEER WORK.
THIS STUFF IS MIND NUMBING, BUT YOU PERSISTED.
DON'T LET IT GO ANY OTHER WAY.
SO, CHARTING THE COURSE IS ONE WAY THAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED.
IT'S A NOBLE ENDEAVOR, BUT MILTON FRIEDMAN WOULD HAVE YOUR RE UH, WOULD REMIND YOU THIS GREAT BOOKMARK, BY THE WAY.
I'LL PUT IT IN YOUR STOCKING STUFFER IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE RECENTLY, WHO SAYS THE FOLLOWING? ONE OF THE GREAT MISTAKES IS TO JUDGE POLICIES AND PROGRAMS BY THEIR INTENTIONS, BY THEIR INTENTIONS RATHER THAN THE RESULTS.
I MIGHT CHANGE THE TITLE IF I WAS DOING MARKETING WORK FOR YOU.
DON'T WORRY, I WON'T SEND YOU A BILL.
HOW ABOUT A VERY ROUGH ROAD, FRONT PAGE, VIRGINIA GAZETTE, A COUPLE SATURDAYS AGO? HAVE YOU SEEN IT, YOU KNOW, AS STUNNING AS ONE OF YOUR SUPERVISORS HAD NOT SEEN IT.
HOW CAN THAT BE IN THIS BUSINESS OF FAIR AND FULL DISCLOSURE? HOW ABOUT YOUR COUNTY COMP PLAN? S O S I'M GIVING YOU AN S O S RIGHT NOW.
YOU WRITE WORDS IN HERE THAT ARE JUST MAKE YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, AS MS. JOHNSON SAID, AS TIME TO SLOW THE ROLL, TAKE A BREATH AFTER THE ELECTION, I'M GONNA SAY, BECAUSE 100% OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS NOT GONNA BE HERE, 40 TO 80% OF SUPERVISORS ARE NOT GONNA BE HERE.
AND AT LEAST ONE SEVENTH OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT GONNA BE HERE.
I'LL CONGRATULATE MR. ROY IN ADVANCE.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S PROPHETIC ENOUGH FOR YOU.
OKAY? YOUR PRESENTING OLD NEWS TO THE CITIZENS
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AND VOTERS.YOU'RE QUOTING 2014 DATA, 2019 DATA, GIVING THEM THE PERCEPTION THAT YOU'RE MANUFACTURING EVIDENCE THAT CREATES THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE CITIZENS BECOME INTENSELY SUSPICIOUS OF YOUR MOTIVES.
UH, JULY 12TH MINUTES, YOUR WEBPAGE QUOTES VIRGINIA CODE 15.2 SOMETHING OR OTHER COUNSELOR, FORGIVE ME, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S THE LEGAL STATUS FOR DOING COMP PLANS.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S ADMITTED ARTICLE 11 OF THE VIRGINIA CONSTITUTION ABOUT CONSERVATION.
I DON'T HAVE TIME, BUT JUST READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND SHOW ME WHERE THAT SHOWS UP IN YOUR WORK.
SHOW ME THAT SHOWS UP IN YOUR WORK GROUP IF YOU'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS.
ONE OF MY FAVORITES, I WAS AT ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.
IT HAPPENED TO BE AT THE BREWTON HIGH SCHOOL, SAYS, DESPITE SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS ON THE COUNTY'S PART TO PUBLICIZE THESE MEETINGS, OVERALL TURNOUT WAS DISAPPOINTING.
DO WE JUST SAY, SORRY, THE SIX PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP, OR 50 OR 40? THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY THAT, UH, UH, APRIL OF 2019, WE COMMISSIONED A STUDY.
A COMPANY FROM RICHMOND DOES PHONE WORK.
HOW MANY ARE IN THE COUNTY AGAIN? 70,000.
AND YOU'RE GONNA USE THAT AS A BASIS.
COME ON, WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
UM, FINALLY ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 13, THE CITIZEN INPUT SECTION CITIZEN IS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THIS PROCESS, BUT IT DOES PLAY A VITAL ROLE.
I READ THAT THREE TIMES, SAYS NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.
DID YOU NOT GET THE MEMO? THE OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE? WHAT ARE THE OTHER FACTORS THAT COULD POSSIBLY WEIGH INTO YOUR DECISIONS HERE? HOUSING SECTION.
UM, IT, IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PLANNING ISSUES FOR THE FUTURE.
BOTTOM PAGE NINE, ONCE WE GET TO FULL, BUILD OUT 82,500 RESIDENTS, QUOTE AS SUCH, IT IS REALLY A HYPOTHETICAL CONCEPT THAT WILL NEVER BE ACHIEVED.
WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THEN? WE'RE WRITING BLUE SKY.
WE'RE WRITING A LOT OF THEORY.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE REAL WORLD GOES LIKE THIS.
UH, THERE WAS A APRIL 15TH, UH, UH, MEETING YOUR MINUTES.
2023 GENTLEMAN NAMED COWELL SPENCER DON'T KNOW THE MAN.
I'M SURE HIS, UH, INTENTIONS ARE NOBLE TO QUOTE, LOCAL LEADERS NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM INTEREST OF COMMUNITY RATHER THAN TRYING TO APPEASE OPPONENTS OF DEVELOPMENT.
DOES THAT MEAN HE'S AN OPPONENT OF CONSERVATION? NEXT ONE, QUOTE.
IN A POLITICAL PROCESS, DECISIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS MADE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
HOW PROPHETIC SPRINGFIELD ROAD IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
MARQUEE, HOW MUCH REVENUE HAVE WE EARNED IN THIS COUNTY FROM THE MARQUEE? WHAT A COLOSSAL DISASTER.
ANYBODY IN HERE VOTE FOR THAT? HOW ABOUT KELTON STATION? HOW ABOUT SPRINGFIELD ROAD? HOW ABOUT BAPTIST ROAD? HOW ABOUT THE HALF MILLION TO MILLION SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSES COMING TO THE POTTERY PROPERTY? I PROPOSE YOU GET OUT OF YOUR SEATS HERE, COME TO ALL FIVE DISTRICTS.
WE WILL GET MORE THAN 464 PEOPLE REDO THIS.
LET'S DO IT IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY, FEBRUARY WHEN WE HAVE NEW LEADERSHIP ON BOARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KING.
UH, NEXT I HAVE, UH, DANA DE JAGER.
HI, MY NAME IS DANA DE JAGER AND I LIVE AT 1 0 8 HORSESHOE DRIVE IN, UH, THE UPPER COUNTY IN, UM, DISTRICT ONE.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE LACK OF METRICS AND MEASURES LISTED IN THERE.
EVERY BUSINESSMAN KNOWS ANY GOOD BUSINESS PLAN STARTS WITH AN IDEA AND ELICITED WITH INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS.
IN THIS CASE, THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, AND LEADERS, IS KEY TO FORMING A SHARED VISION OF A COLLECTIVE FUTURE IN YOUR COUNTY WHERE WE WORK, LIVE AND RAISE OUR CHILDREN.
SO WHAT FOLLOWS, AFTER ALL THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT IS CONDENSED INTO A SHARED VISION OF OUR FUTURE.
YOU NEED TO TURN THE VISION INTO A WORKING PLAN, A BLUEPRINT THAT SAYS, WHERE ARE WE GOING? HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? AND HOW FAST.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER IT BE IN BUSINESS OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IS A DOCUMENT WHICH DESCRIBES THE COLLECTIVE VISION AND STEPS, METRICS, MEASURES, TIMELINES NEEDED TO TURN THIS VISION INTO REALITY.
NOW, IT MIGHT BE OBVIOUS TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE IN BUSINESS, BUT
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APPARENTLY IT'S NOT OBVIOUS TO THE TEAM WHO HAS SCRIPTED THIS CURRENT COMP PLAN BECAUSE THE CURRENT COMP PLAN IS WOEFULLY LACKING IN METRICS AND MEASURES.METRICS ARE VITALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY IMPACT EVERY ASPECT OF THE DECISION-MAKING AT EVERY LEVEL OF THIS GOVERNMENT.
AND THOSE DECISIONS ECHO FOR YEARS.
IF I WERE TO HAVE PRESENTED THIS DOCUMENT TO MY EXECUTIVES IN THE BUSINESS WHERE I WORK, OR ANY OF THE BUSINESSES WHERE I'VE WORKED OVER THE YEARS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MET WITH A RESOUNDING SILENCE, SILENCE OF THE WORST KIND, BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVES WOULD'VE BEEN GOBSMACKED THAT I HAD EVEN CONSIDERED THIS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT THERE IS OF COURSE, A DIFF HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? IF A BUSINESS VENTURE LIKE SAY, KELTON STATION TURNS SOUR, THEY CAN ALWAYS SELL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, KELTON STATION WAS SOLD A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK, BUT THE COUNTY WILL FOREVER AND ALWAYS HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE WE CAN'T DISPOSE OF BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS.
METRICS MATTER TO PARENTS AND TEACHERS, EVEN IF THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT THERE IS SUCH A THING.
WE HAD A SPEAKER EARLIER TALK ABOUT THAT SHE'S A TEACHER HERSELF.
LET'S CONSIDER THE UPPER COUNTY HOUSING PROJECTION, UH, 440 HOMES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROJECTED TO HAVE BEEN BUILT BETWEEN 2015 AND 2020.
BUT DUE TO THE RAMPANT REZONING APPROVALS, THE UH, TOTAL REACHED 3,600 OVER THAT SAME PERIOD.
THAT'S EIGHT TIMES THE PROJECTED RATE.
THIS TOTAL IS DOUBLE WHAT WAS PROJECTED TO BE BUILT BY 2035 IN THE PREVIOUS COMP PLAN.
THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS RAMPANT DEVELOPMENT RIPPLE OUT AND TOUCH EVERY ASPECT OF THE COUNTY LIFE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THESE HOMES GENERATED TRAFFIC, WHICH HAS EXPLODED IN THE UPPER COUNTY, AND YOU HEARD ABOUT DANGEROUS ROADS.
THESE HOMES COME WITH CHILDREN WHO NEED TEACHERS TO BE HIRED, SCHOOL BUSES TO TRANSPORT THEM AND BUILDINGS TO HOUSE THEM.
THE USE OF TRAILERS ALSO EUPHEMISTICALLY, CALLED LEARNING COTTAGES.
I CAN TELL YOU MY CHILDREN NEVER THOUGHT THEY WERE COTTAGES WHEN THEY HAD TO LIVE IN THEM DAY AFTER DAY.
METRICS MATTER TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS BECAUSE WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS FACED WITH REZONING OR SPECIAL PERMITTING REQUESTS, THEY REFER TO THE COMP PLAN FOR GUIDANCE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN COLLECTIVELY AGREED UPON WITHOUT A LITMUS TEST FOR THE B O SS TO DETERMINE IF A REQUEST FITS IN A PLAN, THEY'RE FACED WITH BASELESS DECISIONS OR DECISIONS WHICH AMOUNT TO A WHIM OR A PERSONAL OPINION, INSTEAD OF A COLLECTIVELY AGREED UPON GOALS.
AND THIS IN TURN, IS A HEADWIND TO BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE RAISED THE UNCERTAINTY OF DOING BUSINESS IN YORK COUNTY.
WE'VE RAISED THE RISK OF INVESTMENT IN YORK COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT DECISIONS WILL BE MADE WHEN THEY'RE FACED WITH REZONING OR WITH, UH, SPECIAL PERMITS.
METRICS MATTER TO CITIZENS BECAUSE RAMPANT DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT HAS CREATED MASSIVE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
KELTON STATION IS ONE EXAMPLE.
PREVIOUS SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT OTHER EXAMPLES OF ROADS THAT ARE BUSY.
LIGHTFOOT ROAD JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WAS AN EASY ROUTE TO GET TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE AREA.
I KNOW BECAUSE I TRAVEL IT REGULARLY TO VISIT MY MOTHER TODAY, ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS, IT'S A COMPLETE LOG JAM, RIGHT? AS A RAILROAD CROSSING WITH RESIDENTS DASHING OUT INTO TRAFFIC BETWEEN ROADS.
SO WHY HAVE METRICS AND MEASURES BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE COMP PLAN? I CAN ONLY THINK OF TWO REASONS.
ARE YOU ABOUT TO WRAP UP, MA'AM? YES.
AND I'LL LEAVE YOU TO DETERMINE THOSE, UH, THOSE REASONS.
MANY OF THE ISSUES WE FACE TODAY COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IN OUR, IN OUR OFFIC IF OUR OFFICIALS HAD FOLLOWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WITHOUT METRICS SUCH AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED THE UPDATED COMP PLAN.
IT'S LIKE DRIVING A CAR AT NIGHT WITH HEADLIGHTS OFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING FORWARD, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
UH, NEXT I HAVE A TERRY HUDSON.
I LIVE AT 2 0 7 NELSON STREET, YORKTOWN.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, ESPECIALLY VOLUNTEERING.
WE APPRECIATE THIS IS NOT AN EASY JOB AND LISTENING TO ALL OF US.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE IN HEARING US OUT.
UM, I'M LOOKING NOW ON PAGE 246
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OF THE DOCUMENT.UM, IT SAYS THAT IN 2004, AFTER MANY YEARS OF STUDY AND DELIBERATION, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ESTABLISHED THE YORKTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE ACCOMPANYING YORKTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AND WE HAVE H Y D C, UM, ESTABLISHED AS A FORMAL, UH, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN VILLAGE.
THE INTENT OF WHICH WAS TO ENSURE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION WORK IS DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT RESPECTS AND COMPLIMENTS THE SPECIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF YORKTOWN.
THE PROBLEM ARISES IS BECAUSE MANY TIMES THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SOMETIMES PLANNING CONTRADICTS THESE GUIDELINES, WHICH THEY THEMSELVES MADE UP, UH, AND, AND FORMED.
AND THAT'S TO ME A REALLY BIG PROBLEM.
UM, I KNOW OF TWO JUST RECENTLY WHO WERE GOING UP FOR A SECOND, UM, UH, YEAR, UH, SECOND TERM ON THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD, BUT THEY WERE ASKED BY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT THEY WERE GONNA GO IN A NEW DIRECTION AND THEY WOULD NOT NEED THEIR SERVICE ANY LONGER.
AND THIS WAS BECAUSE THEY CONTRADICTED WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WANTED TO DO.
WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES FOR A REASON.
YOU KNOW, WHEN MY HAD GOT MY HOUSE PAINTED OR, OR WHEN I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ON A GARAGE APARTMENT, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK THEY'RE GREAT GUIDELINES TO HAVE, BUT WE NEED TO FOLLOW THEM.
AND AGAIN, I'M STICKING TO WHAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I'M TRYING NOT TO GO OFF TARGET.
UM, WE HAD THE, UH, DOCK MASTER, UM, BUILDING THAT, UM, WAS PUT UP IN FRONT OF THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD JUST RECENTLY.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENED IS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, IT, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD.
WE, THE COMMITTEE AND CONCERNED CITIZENS ASKED THEM TO GO BACK.
IT LOOKED LIKE A BIG OLD BARN WITH A COUPLE ON TOP.
IT WASN'T RIGHT FOR THIS AREA.
UM, THEY WENT BACK AFTER THE PANDEMIC.
JUST THIS YEAR THEY WENT UP AGAIN, THEY BROUGHT IT BACK.
ZERO CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE STRUCTURE.
THEN A MONTH THEY TABLED IT, AND ONE MONTH LATER, NO MORE CHANGES WERE MADE, NO CHANGES EVEN THOUGH THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW BOARD AND CITIZENS ASKED FOR THEM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM.
UM, AND UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS, UH, IN THE STATEMENT ABOUT THE SUMMARY OF THE COMMAND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ACTIONS, THE COMMISSION AGREED THAT CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE DOCKING OF PRINCESS CRUISE LINE SHIPS IN YORKTOWN, WHATEVER THEIR MERIT ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT IS APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT.
THERE HAS BEEN ZERO CITIZEN INPUT INTO THIS COMING FORWARD, YET YOU CAN BUY A TICKET TODAY TO GO ON THAT CRUISE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, OF ALL THE THINGS YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT, THIS IS GONNA HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT IN THIS HISTORIC AREA.
AND IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THIS COUNTY HAS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AND THAT WE ARE THIS FAR INTO THIS COMING FORWARD.
THE PILOT PROGRAM IS HAPPENING.
AND IT'S A, A TRAIN WRECK WITH THE, I WON'T GO INTO IT, BUT ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER DOLLAR.
BUT THE POLLUTION, THE, UH, THE MASSIVE SIZE OF THIS THING, THE SHIPWRECKS THAT ARE IN THE O IN THE, UM, RIVER, IT'S RIDICULOUS.
I THINK THE WATERMEN'S MUSEUM HAS SOLD THEIR SOLD, I'M SORRY, THIS IS JUST A RIDICULOUS CONCEPT.
WE HAVE A CRUISE SHIP THAT COMES INTO PORT AND IT'S PERFECTLY SIZED.
AND GUESS WHERE EVERYBODY GOES? DO THEY STOP HERE IN YORKTOWN? NO, THEY DON'T.
THEY DON'T EVEN GET A TAKE A FOOT OFF THE BOAT AND STAY HERE AND SPEND ANY MONEY.
WHY DON'T WE PUSH THAT ALONG? THAT'S PERFECTLY IN SIZE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE.
YOU WON'T EVEN SEE YORKTOWN ANYMORE FROM GLOUCESTER.
SO I JUST THINK WE REALLY, AND, AND, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A PETITION OUT.
OVER 800 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION AGAINST THE CRUISE SHIP COMING IN.
SO I, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS MATTER.
UH, NEXT I ABOUT ELIZABETH WILKINS.
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GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WILKINS AND I LIVE AT 2 28 CHURCH STREET.
THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDES THE PRINCESS CRUISE SHIP PROJECT AS PLANNED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY FAIR GAME FOR THIS PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION.
BUT THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ME OR MY BACKYARD.
LAST, LAST SATURDAY WAS A GLORIOUS DAY AT THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT.
AS EARLY AS 8:30 AM THERE WAS ALREADY A BUSTLING FARMER'S MARKET ARTS AND CRAFTS BOOTHS AND LIVE MUSIC IN FULL SWING, ALL AGAINST A PICTURE PERFECT RIVER BACKDROP FRAMED BY THE COLEMAN BRIDGE AND OUR TWO GRACEFUL CHARTER SCHOONER ALLIANCE TWO AND SERENITY, HAVING ONLY RIPE TOMATOES ON OUR MARKET LIST AND MAYBE A, A DECADENT PASTRY OR TWO, OUR PACE WAS LEISURELY.
THERE WAS AMPLE TIME FOR GREETING NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO TIME TO ENJOY THE CASUAL COMPANY OF A COUPLE HUNDRED PERFECT STRANGERS.
SOON, THE FIRST TRICKLE OF YOUNG BEACH GOERS ARRIVED TO CLAIM THEIR PATCH OF SAND.
BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE, THE COLLECTIVE MOOD SEEMED VOID BY THE COOLER WEATHER, BUT WAS ALSO SURELY A TESTAMENT TO THE IDYLLIC SCENE STRETCHED OUT IN FRONT OF THEM AND THE PROMISE OF A NICE BREAK FROM THE DAILY GRIND OF THEIR BUSY LIVES.
LATER THAT DAY, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPPORTUNITY TO CHAT WITH A FEW OF THOSE BEACH GOERS AND WAS SURPRISED THAT SO MANY OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY FROM OUT OF TOWN, ARIZONA, LYNCHBURG AND RICHMOND, FOR INSTANCE.
AND WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE PLAN FOR THE LARGE CRUISE SHIPS, THEY WERE STUNNED THAT YORKTOWN WOULD CONSIDER HOSTING THE GIANT VESSELS AND SAID THEY CAME HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SMALL TOWN ATMOSPHERE.
IT OCCURRED TO ME IN THAT MOMENT THAT SOMETHING SO PRECIOUS AND SOUGHT AFTER, MIGHT SOON BE LOST OR AT LEAST VASTLY DIMINISHED BY THE PRESENCE OF HULKING 950 FOOT CRUISE SHIPS AND THEIR INEVITABLE IMPACT HERE.
WHERE IS THE CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERATION FOR THESE CURRENT VISITORS, RESIDENTS, AND NON-RESIDENTS ALIKE? WHY NOT CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THEIR EXPERIENCE AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO ENGAGE WITH AND SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND CULTURAL OFFERINGS? THIS MORNING, I WAS DRIVING BACK FROM WILLIAMSBURG AND HAD A SIMILAR WISTFUL EXPERIENCE.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I MADE A WORK COMMUTE ON THE COLONIAL PARKWAY AND TOLD MYSELF EVERY SINGLE DAY HOW LUCKY I WAS.
BUT I DO IT OFTEN ENOUGH STILL AND FEEL THE SAME WAY EACH TIME.
ONLY TODAY, AS I GOT CLOSER TO YORKTOWN, I IMAGINED THE GLIMPSES I WAS GETTING OF THE RIVER AND BRIDGE BEING OBLITERATED BY THE ISLAND PRINCESS OR EMERALD PRINCESS.
LITERALLY, I IMAGINE SEEING ONLY THAT SHIP.
IRONICALLY, YOUR INTRODUCTION TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEGINS, AND I QUOTE, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN A COMMUNITY CANNOT BE MEASURED BY STATISTICS.
IT CAN ONLY BE EXPRESSED IN TERMS OF THE COLLECTIVE EXPERIENCES ENJOYED BY THE RESIDENTS.
IT INCLUDES, INCLUDES SUCH THINGS AS A COMFORTABLE CLIMATE, RECREATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT OPPORTUNITIES, EDUCATIONAL AND CULTURAL LIFE, AND AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING LIVING ENVIRONMENT.
YORK COUNTY IS BEST DEFINED BY ITS QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING EMOTIONAL, EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WELL, ALL I CAN SAY IS GUILTY AS CHARGED.
THE PRINCESS PROJECT FEELS LIKE AN ABSOLUTE PUNCH IN THE GUT.
WHILE THERE ARE PLENTY OF HARD FACTS THAT ARGUE AGAINST IT, ALSO, I URGE YOU TO TAKE YOUR STATED COMMITMENT TO THIS YORK COUNTY COMMUNITY SERIOUSLY AND RETHINK THIS MISGUIDED ADVENTURE.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS AND MY EMOTIONS.
UH, NEXT TAB, UH, JACQUES, UH, VAN
THAT'S WHY I HAVE JOSEPH SMITH.
MY NAME IS JACQUE MON FRANSO AT 2 28 CHURCH STREET AS WELL.
UM, I'M HERE TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE ISSUE, BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE WEBSITE AND CLICKED ON THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL TAB, BUT IF YOU HAD, YOU'D BE IN
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AWE OF THE PHOTOS, THE GLOSSY PHOTOS OR THE TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT AND THE EARNEST STATEMENTS ABOUT THE COMPANY'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS.AND THAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE AN OUTSTANDING CORPORATE CI CITIZEN IN THE REALM OF MITIGATING OCEAN POLLUTION.
BUT TAKE THAT INFORMATION WITH A BIG GRAIN OF SALT.
WHAT THEY DON'T TELL YOU ON THE WEBSITE IS THAT IN 2016, NOT THAT LONG AGO, PRINCESS WAS CRIMINALLY CHARGED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WITH SEVEN FELONY COUNTS, STEMMING FROM ITS DELIBERATE POLLUTION OF THE SEAS, AND THEN UNDERTAKING NUMEROUS INTENTIONAL ACTS TO COVER UP THEIR ACTIONS.
I CAN GO INTO ALL, I CAN'T GO INTO ALL THE, THE SORT OF DETAILS OF WHAT THEY DID, BUT SUFFICE IT TO SAY THAT ALL CHARGES WERE RELATED TO DISCHARGING HEAVY OIL LADEN BUILDED WATER DIRECTLY INTO THE OCEAN, AND BYPASSING ALL OF THAT BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS ABOARD THESE SHIPS TO REMOVE THESE CONTAMINANTS.
NORMALLY THEY WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IN PORT, BUT IT WOULD COST A FEE.
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CONCLUDED IN THIS INDICTMENT, AND I QUOTE THAT, UM, THE PERCEIVED MOTIVE FOR SUCH ACTIONS WAS FINANCIAL.
IN THE END, PRINCESS CRUISE LINES ENTERED A PLEA AGREEMENT THAT RESULTED IN AN INITIAL, UH, INITIAL FINE OF $40 MILLION.
THAT'S A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY.
AND IT, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THIS ISSUE WAS SETTLED IN A PLEA AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS NO, NO DOUBT THE FINANCIALLY MOST BENEFICIAL WAY TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE.
NONETHELESS, AT, AT THE TIME OF THIS INDICTMENT, AND THE FINE IMPOSED, IT WAS THE LARGEST EVER MARITIME CRIMINAL PENALTY INVOLVING DELIBERATE VESSEL POLLUTION.
AND FOR PRINCESS, IT WAS PROBABLY JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS.
AS PART OF THIS PLEA AGREEMENT WITH PRINCESS, THEY AGREED TO A FIVE YEAR PROBATIONARY MANDATE.
HOWEVER, TWO PRESS RELEASES FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, AGAIN, ONE IN 2019 AND OTHER IN 2022, WHICH IS PRETTY RECENT, INDICATED THAT THE CRUISE LINES WERE GUILTY OF COMMITTING SIX ADDITIONAL FELONIES AND NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED ON THEM DURING THIS PROBATIONARY PERIOD.
UM, SO, UM, THIS, THIS INVOLVED AN ABSENCE OF CORPORATE MANAGEMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MEASUREMENTS, MEASURES DELIBERATELY FALSIFYING ENVIRONMENTAL TRAINING RECORDS, RECORDS DISCHARGING PLASTIC IN INTO BAHAMIAN WATERS, AMONG OTHERS.
IT WAS STATED IN THE 2022 PRESS RELEASE.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS QUOTE, THIS CASE SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF ADDRESSING ISSUES OF CORPORATE CULTURE AND STRUCTURE AND THE ROOT CAUSES OF ENVIRONMENTAL NON-COMPLIANCE.
AND I STRESS CORPORATE CULTURE.
THESE CHARGES WERE NOT JUST A ONE-OFF SITUATION WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL WENT ROGUE.
INSTEAD, THEY WERE PROMOTED AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL.
I'LL SEND YOU ALL THE LINKS OF THESE THREE INDICTMENTS AFTER THIS MEETING.
APART FROM THESE CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS, WHEN THESE SHIPS ARE HERE, THEY WILL BE RUNNING ENGINES 24 7 AND SPEWING SOOT FROM THEIR SMOKE STACKS CONTAINING PARTICULATE MATTER, SULFUR DIOXIDE, AND NITROUS OXIDE, ALL OF WHICH ARE HUMAN HEALTH HAZARDS, AS WELL AS CARBON DIOXIDE, WHICH IS A GREENHOUSE GAS.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THAT THESE EMISSIONS WILL ALSO HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON MARINE LIFE.
THESE SHIPS ARE AMONG THE HEAVIEST POLLUTERS ON EARTH, ESPECIALLY WHEN CRUISING, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY BURN A VERY LOW GRADE OF FUEL MADE FROM THE REMNANTS OF CRUDE OIL AFTER GASOLINE AND DIESEL FRACTIONS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE SHIPS THAT PRESENTLY COME TO PORT HERE, CARRY AROUND 180 PASSENGERS, AN APPROPRIATE SCALE FOR THIS SMALL COASTAL TOWN, AND THEREFORE HAVE A MUCH SMALLER ECOLOGICAL IMPACT ON, ON THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT.
THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH THE UNITED STATES IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEREFORE THEY PAY US TAXES.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH AMERICAN E P A REGULATIONS, NOT SO WITH PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, WHICH DOES NOT PAY US TAXES BECAUSE IT'S REGISTERED IN BERMUDA UNDER SO-CALLED FLOOD CONVENIENCE.
SO I URGE YOU ALL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER THE BEDFELLOWS THAT YOU'RE ENDING, ENABLING TO ULTIMATELY DEVELOP A PERMANENT PORT OF CALL AT THE FAIR ON A PRIVATELY OWNED WATERMAN'S MUSEUM PROPERTY.
ONCE, ONCE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES, UH, ESTABLISH
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A PRIVATELY OWNED PIER, THERE'S LITTLE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY CAN DO TO REGULATE WHAT HAPPENS, MANY SMALL COASTAL TOWNS.SIR, YOUR YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.
WE HAVE OTHERS TRYING TO, TO REALLY ELIMINATE.
WELL, SOMEBODY ELSE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME.
AND I, WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT TIME.
YOU'RE DEALING WITH A BAD ACTOR WITH THAT HAS VERY DEEP POCKETS.
UH, MR. DAVID, UH, EY, DAVID BDI.
GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
MY NAME IS DAVID BDI, 7 0 2 MAIN STREET, THE HORNSBY HOUSE INN.
I'M WEARING THIS T-SHIRT 'CAUSE I JUST GOT IT TODAY.
UH, IT BASICALLY SAYS, NO PRINCESS.
AND, UH, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT REMOVING, UH, IN THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK STAFF PUT IT IN HERE WHERE THEY HAVE THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE RECENTLY ENCOUNTERED, UH, ANNOUNCED PLANS.
AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT I DON'T THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, INITIATED THIS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THEY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE WENT TO THEIR MEETINGS LAST MONTH.
THEY SAID, WELL, WE GOT A LOT TO FIGURE OUT, A LOT TO FIND OUT.
SO, UH, WHEN YOU VOTE ON THIS NEXT MONTH, I WOULD LIKE THIS REMOVED.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY, OH, IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS BAD IDEA, UM, FOR YORKTOWN HAVING 2000 OR MORE PEOPLE LAND A MILE AND A HALF OUT AND THEN BEING TENDERED TO OUR PIERS, THE TWO FLOATING PIERS IS ALSO A BAD IDEA.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO, UH, LATER BUILD A, A PIER AT THE WATERLAND MUSEUM.
UM, THEY WOULD COME HERE AND LOAD ON 50 TO 40, 50 BUSES AND MAINLY HEAD TO WILLIAMSBURG.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ECONOMIC REVENUE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, GOOD THINGS.
BUT THIS IS OUT OF SCALE FOR YORKTOWN.
OKAY? SO I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT THIS VERY HARD NEXT MONTH AND VOTE, VOTE THIS OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE ELISA ADAMS. UH, I THINK EVERYBODY SPOKE MORE OUT THAN I COULD, SO I PASS.
RON STROBEL 2 0 5 SHADY BLUFF POINT.
AND I'M GONNA TRY TO STICK TO MY SCRIPT TONIGHT.
UM, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION, ONE OF TWO NONPROFITS ALONG WITH HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY DEDICATED TO LAND CONSERVATION SEEKING TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND ENVIRONMENT OF OUR COUNTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS LAND CONSERVATION TONIGHT.
THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPTED SIX STRATEGIC PRIORITIES, EXEMPLARY PUBLIC SAFETY, EXCELLENT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, VALUE DRIVEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MAXIMIZING OUTSTANDING COMMUNICATIONS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, WITH A FOCUS ON RESILIENCY AND QUALITY TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP PRIORITY FIRST, THIS PLAN, WHILE THERE'S MUCH TO LIKE STILL LACKS A BALANCE BETWEEN THE PRIORITIES OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, ONE JUST NEEDS TO LOOK AT OUR RECENT HISTORY SINCE THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE THAT WE'VE FALLEN DOWN ON THE JOB FIRST.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN FAR TOO ACCOMMODATING TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR OWN COMMERCIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROUTINE.
REZONING OF LAND SET ASIDE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN FAVOR OF HIGH DENSITY ROOFTOPS DEMONSTRATES OUR LACK OF DETERMINATION TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF OUR AREA.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE 440 HOMES PREDICTED AND 3,500 OR SO BUILT, UM, IN THAT.
AND WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE MARQUEE, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN ADDRESSED TONIGHT, THE MARQUESS SOLUTION, WHILE IT WAS FAILING, WAS TO REZONE AND ADD AND BUILD MORE HOMES AND APARTMENTS IN THE AREAS THAT WERE UNDISTURBED BY THE FAILING PROJECT VICE.
RECOGNIZING WHERE WE FELT SHOW SHORT AND HONESTLY ASSESSING WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO FIX MARQUEE BEYOND THE LACK OF ANY BALANCE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
LET'S TALK ANOTHER STRATEGIC PRIORITY, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
WHEN I ASKED OUR ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THAT OBJECTIVE LAST YEAR, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL BACK THAT IT TAP THAT TOUTED THE ESTABLISHMENT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGINGS CHARGE STATIONS, CREEK RESTORATIONS, IRONICALLY, MOST OF WHICH ARE A RESULT OF BAD DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES.
AND THERE WAS ALSO, UH, A COMMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE,
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THIS CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT THE COUNTY'S OWNERSHIP OF A 2017 CHEVY VOLT, WHICH I'M NOT SURE IF MANY OF THOSE ARE STILL AROUND OR NOT, IS THIS ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? I HOPE NOT.ANOTHER EXAMPLE, TODAY, ALL OF YORK COUNTY AND IN OUR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, WE SEE THE ROUTINE PRACTICE OF CLEAR CUTTING EVERY SINGLE TREE AND COMPLETELY RESHAPING THE NATURAL CONTOURS OF THE LAND TO ACCOMMODATE MORE AND MORE HOUSING AND SAVE MONEY.
DEVELOPMENTS THAT INTEGRATE THE CONTOURS OF THE EXISTING TREE CAN CANOPY MR. CROSS, ARE GONNA BE SHOCKED.
LIKE KILN CREEK, LIKE COVENTRY THAT USED THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY.
AND RYAN HOLMES NOW JUST CLEAR CUTS EVERYTHING AND THE CONTOURS IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF OUR GOALS AND OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE DESTROY THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF, FOR RESIDENTS ON SPRINGFIELD ROAD APPROVED AND SUPPORTED BY SOME IN THIS ROOM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHO ARE UNAPOLOGETIC TODAY TO THIS DAY, OR DO NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR A VERY, VERY BAD DECISION AND A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO A UNDERPRIVILEGED COMMUNITY THAT SITS ON SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
IN THIS PLAN, THERE ARE THREE GOALS WHICH REFLECT A BALANCE OR FOCUS ON PROTECTING THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF OUR COUNTY.
SOME OF IT SHOWS GREEN FOR FEDERAL PROPERTY, UH, EXISTS, OR BATTLEFIELDS OR MILITARY BASES OR WATERSHEDS AS CONSERVATION.
THOSE ARE GENERALLY SET ASIDE BY OTHER ENTITIES AND OTHER PEOPLE.
AND I ASK US, I ASK YOU, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR CONSERVATION? WHAT HAS THE COUNTY DONE FOR CONSERVATION? I POSE THAT QUESTION TO THE HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CONSERVANCY, AND I'LL PARAPHRASE ALMOST NOTHING.
IN FACT, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CUT THE H V L C FUNDING.
THEY RECEIVED A, A, A GIFT OF A FROM THE, FOR A NONPROFIT.
THEY WERE ONLY TWO OF 17 ENTITIES.
BUT THE HISTORIC VIRGINIA LAND CURVE CONSERVANCY FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WAS CUT.
IS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.
I WROTE DOWN THE GOALS AND THE COMP PLAN.
I JUST CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE GOALS IN ENVIRONMENT, LAND USE, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ALL OF 'EM TALK ABOUT A BALANCE.
AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT BALANCE IS STILL NOT THERE IN THIS PLAN.
HERE'S THE ASK TO ACHIEVE THIS BALANCE.
THE CONSERVE YORK COUNTY FOUNDATION PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF AN OBJECTIVE TO ESTABLISH A LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM IN YORK COUNTY.
THIS MAY INCLUDE SELECT AND STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITIONS IN THE NAME OF CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR AREA.
WE CAN USE 'EM AS PARKS, WE CAN USE 'EM AS SET ASIDE LAND.
BUT WE NEED TO SET SOMETHING ASIDE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT PRIVATE ENTITIES PULLING MONEY ASIDE FOR EGGER CRACK.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, WE ASK YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPORTANCE OF CONFERENCE CONSERVATION AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES OF OUR SUPERVISORS AND ADD A SPECIFIC AND SEPARATE OBJECTIVE UNDER LAND USE TO ESTABLISH A LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM IN YOUR COUNTY.
THAT IS THE LAST SPEAKER THAT I HAD SIGNED UP.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT SIGN UP THAT WOULD WISH TO ADDRESS THE, UH, COMMISSION TONIGHT? OKAY, COME FORWARD.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE.
HELLO, I'M BOB HUDSON, 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PRINCESS CRUISES ALSO.
UM, HONESTLY, I, I'M CONFUSED AS A CITIZEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS AND LIKE WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S OVER 800 PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED A PETITION ONLINE THAT'S SAYING, WE DON'T WANT THIS.
AND THAT'S JUST IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD CHANCE TO, TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, THERE'S A PHRASE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT REFERS TO THE, THE, UH, WATER WINDS MUSEUM AND HAVING A DOCK THERE.
AND THE BENEFITS, ANOTHER SENTENCE IN THERE ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THIS.
AND THEN THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE DOCK MASTER SECTION ABOUT MANAGING CRUISE SHIPS, WHICH COULD BE INTERPRETED VAGUELY AS THE ONES WE HAVE ALREADY.
BUT CLEARLY THIS INCREASE IN THE DOCK MASTER STATION IS NOT TO MANAGE THE SHIPS WE HAVE TODAY.
SO THE PLAN IS LARGELY SILENT ON IT, RIGHT? AND YET WE'RE BUILDING A DOCK MASTER STATION.
ALRIGHT? WE ARE, WE'VE CHANGED RIVER WALK, IT SITS EMPTY ALL THE TIME NOW, BUT WE HAD TO INCREASE THE SEATING IN IT, RIGHT? AND SO UNDERNEATH THE, THE CURRENT OF ALL THIS, WE'RE PLANNING FOR PRINCESS CRUISES.
AND IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THE PLAN.
IN THE PLAN AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LAST MEETING, THEY ALL SAID, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
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WELL, THEY SENT A LETTER TO THE STATE IN JANUARY ASKING FOR MONEY TO BUILD A PIER, RIGHT? THERE'S CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN LOCAL OFFICIALS IN THE COMMUNITY AND PRINCESS CRUISES GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT DOING THIS.IN ONE OF THE EMAILS, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THEY WANT TO GO TO ONCE A WEEK CRUISES.
HOW CAN WE HAVE A PLAN LIKE THIS? THAT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'RE THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR GOVERNMENT TODAY.
RIGHT? THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN AFTER THE FACT.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORK FOR YEARS AND WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT IT.
AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE TO THIS MEETING, BUT I ASSUME YOU GUYS ARE THE GUYS THAT ARE DOING THE PLANNING, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN YOUR NAME.
SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M BAFFLED.
I'M BOTH FRUSTRATED AND I JUST, I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE'RE BLINDSIDED BY THIS THING.
IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY TOUGH.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SAY.
I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO FIX THIS.
ANYONE ELSE? LAST CALL AT THIS POINT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AN OPEN DISCUSSION FOR COMMISSIONERS.
WELL, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR SPEAKING.
I, IT WAS A, NOT AN EYEOPENER, BUT A REMINDER OF, UH, A LOT OF VERY GOOD POINTS.
AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE SUGGESTIONS RIGHT THIS MINUTE, BUT OPEN TO 'EM.
SAME, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT.
I KNOW IT TAKES A LOT TO COME OUT HERE, EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE EMOTIONAL OR FACTUAL OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE.
UH, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS.
AND THE IMPORTANT THING AND, AND THE COMMISSION REALIZES IS THAT WHILE YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT IS WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHANCE TO COME AND TALK.
UH, THERE WAS SOME FEELING THAT YOU DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOURSELVES THE WAY, WAY YOU NEEDED TO.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
AND, UH, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, UH, A LOT OF THINGS WERE SAID THIS EVENING.
UM, I CAN'T SAY WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL DO OR WHAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL, WILL DO AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, BUT WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING AND, UH, I'M GLAD YOU CAME OUT TONIGHT.
I, UH, DON'T THINK I'M GONNA HAVE MUCH OF A COMMENT TONIGHT 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF HERE.
I'M SOMEWHAT SURPRISED ABOUT THE CRUISE LINE AND AS MUCH OPINIONS AGAINST IT THAT THERE WAS, UH, SOMEBODY HAD TO BE FOR AT ONE TIME AND, AND THEY HAVEN'T SHOWED UP.
SO, YOU KNOW,
BUT ANYWAY, THEY, THEY HAVEN'T SHOWED UP FOR IT.
'CAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, COME OUT OF BLUE AIR.
UH, SO, SO I NEED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THAT MYSELF.
I THINK THIS IS A REMINDER THAT WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND, AND CONSIDER WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE SAID AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO, UH, TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND, AND ADD SUBSTANCE INTO THE PLAN TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT EFFECTIVELY TONIGHT.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SUMMARIZE ALL OF THE STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
I TAKE ONE MORE SHOT AT WHAT WOULD BE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE PLAN REFLECTING WHAT WE'VE HEARD.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY ONE MORE STEP BEFORE WE CAN GET TO, UH, TO A RESOLUTION, UH, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER WORKSHOP OR WHETHER WE DO THAT IN THE NEXT, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING TO, TO BE DETERMINED.
BUT MY, MY TAKEAWAY IS THERE'S ENOUGH HERE, ENOUGH SUBSTANCE, ENOUGH MEAT THAT, UH, THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE PLAN.
UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
AND I ECHO, UM, A FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR TAKING YOUR TIME THIS EVENING TO COME OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE, WE CONFUSE SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS ITEMS TO.
AND, AND WE ARE GLAD TO BE, UH, A SOUNDING BLOCK FOR YOU.
UH, I INVITE YOU TO BRING YOUR ISSUES REGARDING SPECIFICALLY THE CRUISE LINE, UH, TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I MEAN, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THOSE PROCESSES.
WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF THE FRONT END OF THAT.
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KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THE PLANNING SIDE.SO WE ACT UPON, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US, UH, FOR REVIEW, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
UH, SO I, I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO, TO GO TO THOSE GROUPS AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW WE HAD, AS MOST OF YOU HAVE SAID, THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT BROUGHT UP, UH, TONIGHT.
UH, I THINK THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, INCUMBENT UPON US TO REVIEW SOME OF THAT INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL BEFORE WE MAKE, UH, ANY MOTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT.
UH, SO AT THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE KIND OF TABLE ANY, UM, RESOLUTION OR, UM, ITEM FOR THE STAFF AT THIS TIME, UNLESS ANYONE OBJECTS TO THAT.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, STAFF? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THROUGH? UM, WELL, AS MR. ROY SAID, UH, A LOT OF WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT, WE HAVE HEARD BEFORE MM-HMM.
UM, WE DID HEAR ABOUT THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINES AT THE, THE JUNE 14TH PUBLIC HEARING, AND YOU ALL DISCUSSED THAT AT THE WORK SESSION AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS NOT A LEGITIMATE, UH, AN ISSUE TO BE, UH, IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T SAY PRINCESS CRUISE LINE IS A GOOD IDEA.
UH, IT MERELY REFERENCES THE FACT THAT AS, UH, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID, UH, THAT THIS PROPOSAL HAD BEEN MADE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING.
AND I REMEMBER THE COMMITTEE MEETING WHEN THIS CAME UP, UH, TOWARD THE END OF THE PROCESS, AND THE ANNOUNCEMENT HAD COME OUT, AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE SAID, YOU KNOW, SINCE THIS PROPOSAL HAS BEEN MADE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE MENTION IT IN THE COMP PLAN? AND SO WE PUT IT IN THERE, A COUPLE OF LINES, UH, ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED, UM, REGARDING THE STATEMENT THAT THE COMP PLAN IDENTIFIES DANGEROUS ROADS AND SAYS, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT 'EM.
WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE JUNE 22ND WORK SESSION.
UH, WE HAVE IN THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT, AN IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
IT SAYS WE WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH VDOT, THE H R T P O, WHICH IS THE HAMPTON ROADS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO IDENTIFY DANGEROUS ROADWAY SEGMENTS AND INTERSECTIONS, AND TO DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURES TO ENHANCE SAFETY.
UM, AND WHEN YOU READ THE LANGUAGE BELOW THAT, IT TALKS ABOUT, IT MENTIONS THAT A NUMBER OF PROBLEM AREAS IN THE COUNTY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE H R T P O AND ARE INCLUDED IN THIS TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.
THOSE ARE THE, THE SEVEN, I BELIEVE IT WAS DANGEROUS ROADWAYS THAT WERE, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT MR. CHAMBERLAIN MENTIONED.
UM, SO WE DO ADDRESS THAT IN THE PLAN.
AND THEN, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION, THERE'S A SEPARATE, UH, UH, STRATEGY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND FUNDING FOR, UH, UH, DIFFERENT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THOSE TWO KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND, BUT, UH, THAT IS IN THERE.
UH, THE, UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, UM, DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION? UH, HOW WOULD, I MEAN, HOW, HOW, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO FROM HERE? WHAT IS OUR ESTABLISHED TIMELINE OR DEADLINE THAT WE, WELL AT, AT THIS POINT? UH, SEPTEMBER 13TH? YOU KNOW, WE, UH, HAD, AS I SAID IN THE PRESENTATION, WE HAD TARGETED FOR A COMMISSION VOTE.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, A WORK SESSION, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY, UH, I BELIEVE THE CODE ONLY REQUIRE, REQUIRES US TO GIVE FIVE DATES, NO NOTICE.
UH, SO THAT COULD BE DONE DEPENDING ON WHAT Y'ALL'S SCHEDULES LOOK LIKE BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 13TH.
I KNOW IT'S A BAD TIME TO SCHEDULE ANYTHING.
UH, AUGUST IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO ON VACATION.
UM, BUT, UH, WE DO WANT TO KEEP IT ON TRACK FOR ADOPTION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
AS, AS MR. KING WILL RECALL, WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE IN THE COMMITTEE.
UH, UH, MR. GREEN FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HE WOULD BE VOTING ON HIS PLAN.
UH, SO WE'VE KIND OF KEPT THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS AS FAR AS, UH, UH, THE OVERALL SCHEDULE
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TRYING TO GET THIS, UH, DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.SO THAT GIVES US SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER, BASICALLY, UM, TO, TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL WELL FOR THE COMMISSION, WHICH REALLY GIVES US PART OF AUGUST AND PART OF SEPTEMBER, I GUESS, TO MAKE ANY DE DECISIONS THAT YOU DECIDE, UH, ARE WARRANTED.
SO THE COMMISSIONER SUPPORT A SHORT NOTICE, I GUESS I'LL CALL THAT WORK SESSION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I OBVIOUSLY AM NEW TO THE PROCESS, AND SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE, BUT I HEAR A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS I SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO A LOT OF GOOD IMPACT TONIGHT OR, UH, INPUT TONIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS TO ME THAT ARE EASY, LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, POSITION RATHER THAN FEELINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE KIND OF NO-BRAINERS TO ME AND, AND MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF COULD SUMMARIZE, UH, THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TONIGHT AND MAYBE, UH, SEND A POSITION PAPER TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE AND, AND THE COMMISSION AND SAY, GIVE US EACH CHANCE TO SAY, HAS THIS BEEN ADDRESSED? IS THERE ROOM TO TALK? OR WHATEVER? AND MAYBE IN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WE CAN DECIDE COLLECTIVELY, LET'S DO A WORK SESSION, UH, OR, OR WE CAN RESOLVE SOME OF THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NEW TO THE PROCESS.
SO I DON'T, UH, I DON'T WANT TO, TO GO BACK.
UH, OVERGROUND WE'VE ALREADY COVERED, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S FEELINGS AND SEDIMENTS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
MR. KING, I, I, I'M CONSISTENT WITH, UH, MR. WASSER'S COMMENTS.
UH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO GIVE STAFF SOME TIME AND US TO DIGEST IT.
POTENTIALLY, WE COULD ARRIVE, WE COULD COME EARLY AT OUR SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING, MAYBE FIVE O'CLOCK AND SET OF SEVEN, UH, AND THEN WE CAN USE THAT TIME BEFORE THE MEETING TO ADDRESS WHAT WE'VE HEARD HERE THIS EVENING.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.
SO IT'S THE SAME TIME WE JUST SHOW UP EARLY AND IT'LL GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN, UH, WE CAN COME SOME RESOLUTION ON IT SINCE WE'VE HEARD SOME, MOST OF THIS BEFORE, NOT ALL IN THE SAME FASHION, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.
I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I, I TAKE OUTTA RESPECT FOR EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF SUMMARIZING WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT.
UH, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, LOOK AT THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS VIA EMAIL.
UH, I MEAN, WE CAN COLLABORATE VIA EMAIL AND THEN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF WE DO IN FACT NEED TO MEET FORMALLY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA DO IT ON THE SAME NIGHT.
UM, I MEAN, WE ONLY HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A FIVE DAY NOTICE, AND MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, UH, YOU COULD SCHEDULE A FIVE O'CLOCK WORK SESSION, UH, IF YOU WANTED TO.
UH, IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
UH, HOW ABOUT WE, THE ONLY THING IS, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL LANGUAGE PREPARED PRETTY MUCH FOR Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? IN ORDER TO TURN AROUND AND VOTE.
UH, SO HOW, HOW SOON DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING SUMMARIZING? WELL, UH, I THINK THE STAFF'S HANGING ON YOUR WORD
I WOULD, MAYBE I SHOULD ASK THEM.
WELL, UM, I, I WOULD SAY BETWEEN ONE AND TWO WEEKS, UH, WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY, KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH THE WORK SESSION MM-HMM.
UH, AND AS IT WAS INDICATED, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSE, RIGHT.
AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ADDRESSED, OR, WELL, AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE RECORDING AS WELL.
WE CAN ALWAYS, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, GO ON, UH, THE COUNTY WEBSITE, RIGHT.
THE VIDEO STREAMS UP THERE WILL BE ON THERE, I DON'T KNOW, TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY.
UH, AND SO IF YOU'RE WANNA REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES, UH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT IS THE DATE? WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE MINUTES READY, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A, A SUMMARY, UH, PUT TOGETHER WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF COMMENTARY ADDED.
DO YOU THINK A WEEK OF LOOKING OVER THE MATERIALS WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH ONCE WE RECEIVE IT? I, I MIGHT.
WHAT, WHAT IS THREE WEEKS FROM NOW? WHAT WOULD BE THAT DATE? WELL, TODAY'S THE NINTH, SO THAT WOULD BE THE 30TH.
UM, SAY WE SET UP BY THE 30TH, WE MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MEET OR WE CAN ADJUDICATE WHAT IS PRESENTED, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON THAT.
I'D LIKE THAT IDEA, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I THINK WE WILL RESERVE, UH, WE'LL RESERVE THE THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A WORK SESSION UNTIL AFTER WE REVIEW THE MATERIAL AND DETERMINE IF IT'S NECESSARY.
AND IF IT IS, LET'S KEEP THAT IN OUR BACK POCKET IN CASE WE NEED SOME MORE TIME TO TALK AMONGST OURSELVES.
BUT LET'S NOT COMMIT TO IT UNTIL WE GET THE INFORMATION AND WE, UH, SEE IT MORE CLEARLY AND HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT.
DOES THAT REQUIRE MOTION? YOU CAN DO IT BY CONSENSUS, I THINK.
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DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT, OR NO, FOR, FOR WAITING UNTIL THE 30TH AND THEN MAKING A DECISION AT THAT POINT, WHETHER TO HAVE A WORK SESSION BEFORE THE NEXT WEEK.THE WORK SESSION CAN BE CALLED BY THE CHAIR.
WELL, IT OR CAN BE, IT CAN BE DONE BY, UH, I THINK IF TWO COMMISSIONERS, UH, ASK FOR IT DIRECTLY.
SO WE COULD DO IT AT THAT TIME.
YOU WANT TO MAKE OFFICIAL SOMEBODY A VOTE? JUST RAISE YOUR HAND IS ALL WE NEED FOR TONIGHT.
WE, WE'LL, SO THERE'S NO OBJECTION I TAKE IT.
ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? NO WAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE FIVE O'CLOCK WINDOW OPEN ON THE NEXT ONE.
THEN WE'LL PROCEED TO LIKE THAT.
I, I DID WANNA ADDRESS ONE THING, AND I, I'LL ASK MR. KING AND, AND, UH, UH, THE STAFF IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT.
BUT WE HAD BEEN INFORMED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UH, COMMENT OR SUGGESTIONS ABOUT SDRS, UH, AND THE LACK OF GUIDANCE AND THE NEED FOR GUIDANCE.
UH, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS TABLED ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, AT WHICH POINT THEY WILL BE, UH, ADDRESSING MORE DEFINITIVE GUIDANCE.
IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT TO YEAH.
UH, UH, SOMETIME AFTER THE, THE NEW YEAR, UH, I THINK THEY WANT TO HAVE A, A WORK SESSION AND SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT, UH, TALK ABOUT THE, UH, WHOLE ISSUE.
UH, THAT'S REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN IMPLIED THAT, UH, THAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR, UH, STRICTER STANDARDS HAS BEEN ASKING FOR FOUR YEARS, AND THERE'S BEEN NO RESPONSE, WHICH IS JUST NOT TRUE.
UH, WE DID RESPOND TO THAT, AND THE COMMISSION WILL RECALL THIS.
UH, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS BACK IN 2019.
AND, UH, WE, UH, CAME UP WITH SOME STANDARDS, AND THEY WERE ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY BY THE BOARD AT THEIR MARCH, UH, 2020 MEETING.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THIS PAST JUNE WHEN WE PRESENTED, UH, THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL HEX AMENDMENTS FOR SDRS THAT THE BOARD, UH, GAVE US, UH, ANY INDICATION THAT THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL STANDARDS.
THE PROBLEM IS, WELL, I MEAN, NO, NO GUIDANCE RIGHT? WAS PROVIDED.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD OF WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, UM, THERE'S THE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CONSISTENCY.
THE MAIN DRIVING FACTOR IS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOT SIZE OR DENSITY.
UH, IT, IT'S, UH, ALL, IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOUR, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO WRITE CODE, UH, THAT INCORP, YOU KNOW, EMBODI THAT, AND THAT WAS MY POINT OF BRINGING THAT UP.
I DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GIVEN SOME, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PREFERENCE, A PREFERENCE.
IT'S NOT UNIVERSAL, BUT THERE'S A PREFERENCE FOR ONSITE MANAGEMENT, OR AT LEAST NEXT DOOR OR ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S AGREEMENT ON THE, ON HAVING THESE USE PERMITS, Y B A APPROVALS RUN, UH, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND NOT THE LAND.
BUT BEYOND THAT, WE REALLY HAVEN'T, UH, GOTTEN THAT.
SO THAT'LL BE, UH, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE, UH, INTERESTING DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE NEXT YEAR.
GET SOME, GET SOME ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PORTION OF OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, MICHAEL? OKAY.
UH, IF NOT, WILL WE HAVE A PUBLIC
[Application No. UP-1016-23, Hope Durley: Request for a Special Use Permit, pursuant to Section 24.1-306 (category 1, no. 6) of the York County Zoning Ordinance, to authorize the establishment of a tourist home on a 0.2-acre parcel (GPIN G14c-0005-1623) located at 122 West Semple Road (Route 726). The property is zoned R13 (High Density Single-Family Residential) and is designated High Density Residential in the Comprehensive Plan.]
HEARING, UH, ON THE AGENDA? UH, TURN IT OVER TO THE STAFF.AND THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
AND I'LL WORK ON MY PHONICS FOR NAMES.
IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY TO CLOSE THE DOOR BACK THERE.
THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 2 2 WEST SIMPLE ROAD.
THE TWO TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NELSON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION, LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM THE JAMES YORK PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AND MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED R 13 FOR HIGH DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AS INDICATED BY THE YELLOW COLOR SHOWN ON THIS MAP.
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ALL RIGHT.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
I'VE INCLUDED A FEW PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, STARTING WITH A SOUTHBOUND VIEW OF THE STREET, UM, STANDING IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPOSED TAURIST HOME.
HERE'S A NORTHWARD VIEW OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD, UH, FROM IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND FINALLY, A VIEW FACING EASTWARD.
LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRIVEWAY OF THE PROPOSED TAURIST HOME, THE APPROXIMATELY 811 SQUARE FOOT DWELLING HAS TWO BEDROOMS, ONE BATHROOM, A KITCHEN, LIVING ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, AND CLOSETS.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE THE WHOLE HOUSE AVAILABLE TO UP TO FOUR GUESTS AT A TIME, INCLUDING UP TO THREE CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY RANGING FROM TWO TO 89 NIGHTS.
THEREFORE, STEPH HAS PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOURIST HOME TO BE RENTED AS A WHOLE HOUSE.
THE RENTAL OF INDIVIDUAL ROOMS WOULD BE PROHIBITED WITH AN OCCUPANCY OF UP TO FOUR GUESTS, INCLUDING UP TO THREE CHILDREN WITH LENGTHS OF STAY, UH, RANGING FROM A MINIMUM OF TWO AND A MAXIMUM OF 89 NIGHTS.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT STATED THEY DO NOT WISH TO HAVE SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME.
THEREFORE, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM QUICK.
THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS REQUIRE THE OWNER TO RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES OR DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE PROBLEMS THAT MAY ARISE WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THE APPLICANT RESIDES IN NEWPORT NEWS, SO SHE DESIGNATED MR. MATTHEW MULLENS, HER FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR AS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
MR. MULLENS ALSO RESIDES IN THE NELSON CIRCLE SUBDIVISION AT 1 28 NELSON DRIVE, WHICH IS A DRIVING DISTANCE OF TWO TENTHS OF A MILE AND A DRIVING TIME OF ONE MINUTE.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LETTER SIGNED BY MR. MULLINS, AFFIRMING HIS COMMITMENT TO THIS RESPONSIBILITY.
A COPY OF WHICH YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKET AND STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD BIND HIM TO THIS COMMITMENT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ALL PARKING FOR THE TOURIST HOME TO BE MAINTAINED OFF STREET AND THREE PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED USE, ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.
THE DRIVEWAY IS 67 FEET LONG, VARIES IN WIDTH FROM NINE TO 20 FEET, AND IS CAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING AT LEAST FOUR VEHICLES, THOUGH ALREADY REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM OF THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY, WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SIMILAR USES FOR WHICH THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ARE TIMESHARE UNITS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 8.6 TRIPS PER DAY AND OCCUPIED MOTEL ROOMS, WHICH GENERATE AN AVERAGE OF 4.4 TRIPS PER DAY.
THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE, ACCORDING TO 2021 BDOT ESTIMATES.
THIS SECTION OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 620 VEHICLES PER DAY.
GIVEN THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS GENERATED BY SIMILAR USES AND THE ESTIMATED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT TRAVEL DAILY ON THIS SECTION OF WEST SIMPLE ROAD STAFF, DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD CREATE A NOTICEABLE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
THERE ARE THREE APPROVED TOURIST HOMES WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS AND A TOTAL OF FIVE WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE CLOSEST TOURIST HOMES ARE LOCATED AT, UH, ONE 13 DALE AVENUE AND 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD, WHICH ARE LOCATED 374 FEET AND ONE 10TH OF A MILE FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RESPECTIVELY.
THE OTHER THREE EXISTING TOURIST HOMES RANGE FROM A DRIVING DISTANCE OF 1.2 TO 2.8 MILES FROM THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME.
GIVEN THE DENSITY OF THE EXISTING TOURIST HOMES IN THE AREA, STAFF BELIEVES THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF ADDING ANOTHER IS LIKELY TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE APPLICANT OFFERED SOME PROVISIONS IN HER NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED TA HOME ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
THE PROPERTY IS EQUIPPED WITH A SECURITY CAMERA THAT NOTIFIES HER OF ANY MOVEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
EVENTS AND CORPORATE USE OF THE HOME WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
QUIET HOURS WILL BE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN 8:00 PM AND EIGHT, I'M SORRY, 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM IF APPROVED.
A PROPOSED CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION.
SHE SUBMITTED THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE
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ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN ONE 10TH OF A MILE OF TWO EXISTING TOURIST HOMES AND IS WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF FIVE, UH, TOURIST HOMES.
STAFF BELIEVES THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER TOURIST HOME IN THIS AREA IS LIKELY TO DEGRADE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CONDITION SET FORTH THAN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER PC 23 DASH 18.
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ME YOUR QUESTIONS, AND I'M HAPPY TO, AS WELL.
UH, AS YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A FEW TOURIST HOMES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE? ARE THERE ANY NEIGHBOR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE EXISTING HOMES THAT YOU KNOW OF? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN ENFORCEMENT,
UM, YEAH, I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FOR THOSE.
CAR, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A, AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS GONNA BE DRAWN UP FOR THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE MANAGING THE JOB, MANAGING THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT PERSON MOVES OR CHANGES? SO IT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE RESOLUTION.
WE DON'T, THERE WAS ONE QUESTION I HAD.
I DON'T SEE THAT AGREEMENT IN HERE.
AND THE, MY QUESTION REALLY COMES TO THAT.
EVEN WITH THAT SIGNED LETTER, YOU HAVE THIS RIGHT, THAT TRAVELS WITH THE HOMEOWNER, BUT IF THEY LOSE THEIR EYES ON SITE, WHAT PROVISION IS THERE FOR THAT? SO, UM, PROPOSED CONDITION NUMBER TWO SAYS THAT THE DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR THE TOURIST HOME MM-HMM.
SO IF MR. MATTHEW MULLINS IS NOT THERE, THEN THEY MAY NOT OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME.
AND IF THAT PERSON MOVES, LEAVE NO LONGER AVAILABLE, DOES THIS AUTOMATICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS? THEY, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE TOURIST HOME UNLESS THEY COME BACK FOR, UH, AN AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO HAVE THIS CHANGED TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
IS THIS REALLY YOUR LAST NIGHT?
SHE CAME BACK, ESPECIALLY TO PRESENT THIS TO US TONIGHT.
I THINK THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AT THAT.
UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM APPLICANT.
OH, I'M SORRY, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY.
LET ME OPEN THIS UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND I BELIEVE OUR APPLICANT, UH, IS PRESENT.
GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I, UH, RESIDE AT 9 33 HARLA PLACE, EXCUSE ME, IN NEWPORT NEWS.
UH, HER ADDRESS IS THE SAME AS MINE.
WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER FOR OVER 27 YEARS.
EVERYTHING WE DO, WE DO TOGETHER.
UM, SO WE'RE BOTH ON THE APPLICATION FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, TOURIST RENTAL.
UM, HOPE HAS OWNED THE HOME SINCE JANUARY OF 2002.
UH, WE LIVED THERE UNTIL 2016 WHEN WE MOVED TO NEWPORT NEWS TO BE CLOSER TO OUR JOBS.
UH, OUR TENANT WAS THERE FOR SIX YEARS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE LET THE HOME FALL INTO A STATE OF COMPLETE DISREPAIR, UM, TO SAY THE LEAST.
UH, THE ENTIRE HOME HAD TO BE GUTTED AND RENOVATED, WHICH WE DID OURSELVES.
WE HAD THE ORIGINAL HARDWOOD FLOORS, REFINISHED A NEW ROOF, PUT ON A DRIVEWAY, PUT IN A NEW SIDING, BACK DECK, WINDOWS, DOORS, YOU NAME IT, YOU NAME IT GRASS, YOU NAME IT.
UH, IT TOOK US $60,000 AND A YEAR TO GET THIS HOUSE BACK TO WHERE WE NEED IT TO BE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SAY IT'S IN THE BEST SHAPE IT'S BEEN SINCE WE'VE OWNED IT, WHICH HAS BEEN OVER 21 YEARS, AND PROBABLY A LOT FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS PERMIT.
UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS WILL GIVE US MORE HANDS-ON CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY THAN WE GET WITH A LONG-TERM TENANT.
THIS IS IMPORTANT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE HOPE, WHEN HOPE RETIRES, WE PLAN ON DOWNSIZING A BIT AND MOVING BACK TO THE HOME.
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JUST NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.UM, UH, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT TO SUCH GREAT LENGTHS TO MAKE IT AS FANTASTIC AS IT WAS.
WE DIDN'T JUST SLOW BOAT IT AND MAKE IT OKAY TO RENT.
WE FIXED IT UP PERFECTLY FOR US.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE A HANDS-ON SITUATION.
UM, NOW WHEN YOU HEAR TOURIST HOME, WHEN YOU HEAR VACATION HOME, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MOST PEOPLE'S MINDS IS AIRBNB.
UH, THAT'S THE GO-TO WORD, THE, UH, THE CATCHPHRASE THAT, TO DESCRIBE THEM THESE DAYS.
KIND OF LIKE BANDAID AND KLEENEX.
OUR FOCUS, HOWEVER, IS NOT GOING TO BE ON AIRBNB TYPE RENTALS.
AIRBNB TYPE RENTALS HAVE A HIGH TURNOVER, TYPICALLY LAST ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO SEVEN NIGHTS.
OUR FOCUS WILL BE ON RENTING THE HOME TO TRAVEL NURSES.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH TRAVEL NURSES, LET ME FILL YOU IN A LITTLE BIT.
THEY ARE HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY PAID PROFESSIONAL NURSES WHO TRAVEL FROM CITY TO CITY, TOWN TO TOWN, UH, AND ARE CONTRACTED TO WORK IN HOSPITALS FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, LONGER THAN THE TYPICAL AIRBNB STAY, BUT STILL SHORT TERM.
MOST OF THEM, MOST OF THEM TRAVEL NURSES PREFER TO STAY IN FULLY FURNISHED HOMES RATHER THAN HOTELS.
UH, I USED TO TRAVEL FOR A LIVING, SPENT MORE THAN A DECADE LIVING IN HOTELS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, IT IS FAR FROM IDEAL.
IT IS NOT, UH, NOT IT'S FUN FOR A MINUTE, AND THEN IT GOES AWAY.
UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE FRIENDS WHO ARE TRAVEL NURSES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
MY MOTHER USED TO BE ONE AS WELL.
UH, AND THEY'VE TOLD ME STAYING IN A FURNISHED HOME IS WONDERFUL.
IT'S ESPECIALLY AFTER A LONG DAY OR A LONG NIGHT WORKING IN THE HOSPITAL.
FURNISHED HOMES ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, AND EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
SINCE MAY, WE HAVE BEEN LISTED ON THE TWO MAJOR WEBSITES FOR TRAVEL NURSES FURNISHED FINDER.COM AND TRAVEL NURSE HOUSING.COM.
THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE.
IT WAS, UH, WE COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE POURED IN OVER THE INTERNET TO, TO LET US KNOW THEY WANTED THE HOUSE.
IN THREE MONTHS, I RECEIVED CLOSE TO 40 INQUIRIES, UH, FROM NURSES INTERESTED IN RENTING THE HOME.
UH, ALL BUT THREE, ALL BUT THREE REQUESTED STAYS OF FOUR TO EIGHT WEEKS.
AND WITHOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, WE COULD NOT RENT TO THE HOME TO ANY OF THOSE NURSES.
UH, THE OTHER THREE FAILED TO MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR A RENTER.
UH, WHICH IS ANOTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, BRIEFLY.
AIRBNB, VRBO, FURNISHED FINDER, TRAVEL NURSE HOUSING.
ALL OF THE SITES WE WOULD POTENTIALLY USE GIVE THE OWNER OF THE HOME, THE HOST US, THE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER WHO RENTS THE HOME.
WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND RULES FOR THE HOME.
AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD ALSO DICTATE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR ANYONE SEEKING TO RENT THE HOME.
WHILE WE WILL BE FOCUSED ON RENTING OUR HOME TO TRAVEL NURSES, THERE WILL ALL ALSO BE SOME AIRBNB TYPE RENTALS THROWN IN OCCASIONALLY, MAINLY TO FILL IN GAPS BETWEEN, UM, TRAVEL NURSE RENTALS.
UM, BUT THE PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE ON THE TRAVEL NURSES LONGER STAYS, LONGER STAYS LESS TONE, TURNOVER, RELIABLE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE LONGER STAYS, LESS TURNOVER, RELIABLE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. CROY, SHE TOLD ME NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT WOULD BE KEY TO HAVING MS. PERMIT APPROVED.
SO I DECIDED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR.
UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, I CANVASSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD THREE TIMES, TWO CONSECUTIVE SATURDAYS AND A MONDAY.
AND EACH TIME I KNOCKED ON OVER A HUNDRED DOORS, ONE OVER A HUNDRED DOORS, WELL OVER A HUNDRED DOORS.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HARDLY ANYONE ANSWERED.
I CAUGHT A FEW FOLKS IN THE FRONT YARDS.
UM, AND MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UH, WERE HAPPY TO TALK TO ME 'CAUSE THEY ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY'RE ALL FOR IT.
UM, BUT PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE TO ANSWER THEIR DOORS.
AND I'M NOT KNOCKING THEM BECAUSE I DON'T EITHER.
AFTER THE THIRD TIME, I LEFT AN ENVELOPE AT THE HOUSES THAT DID NOT ANSWER IT.
IT INCLUDED A BRIEF LETTER EXPLAINING WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
I ALSO ENCLOSED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THEM TO SIGN IF THEY CHOSE TO, AND A SELF-ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE SO THEY COULD SEND THE LETTERS BACK TO ME, TO US WITH NO EFFORT OR EXPENSE.
ALL THE RESPONSES I RECEIVED, BOTH IN PERSON AND BY MAIL, WERE POSITIVE.
UH, IN, IN THIS BLUE FOLDER, I HAVE 27 OF THOSE LETTERS, AND I KNOW MS. CROY HAS FORWARDED THEM TO YOU.
AND IT INCLUDES OUR THREE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, TWO, THE TWO NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS, UH, AND A NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'VE SPOKEN TO THEM AT LENGTH AND HAVE THEIR FULL SUPPORT.
UM, IN THE LETTER, I INCLUDED MY CELL PHONE NUMBER AND ENCOURAGED FOLKS TO CALL ME IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
UH, I'M RETIRED AND VERY EASILY TO GET AHOLD OF, EASY TO GET AHOLD OF.
UH, TO DATE, I'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE CALL, AND THAT WAS FROM A NICE LADY, A, A A NEIGHBOR OF OURS.
CURIOUS ABOUT HOW MANY NIGHTS A WEEK WE PLAN ON RENTING THE HOME.
AS FAR AS US LIVING IN NEWPORT NEWS, WE HAVE CHOSEN OUR GOOD FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR, MATTHEW MULLINS.
HE'S SITTING RIGHT OVER THERE.
WE'VE KNOWN MATT FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
UM, HE'S A CLOSE FRIEND OF OUR FAMILY.
WE TRUST HIM COMPLETELY TO RESPOND TO AND RESOLVE
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ANY PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS THAT MAY ARISE WHILE WE'RE RENTING THE PROPERTY.UM, HE LIVES ON NELSON DRIVE, 1,250 FEET AWAY FROM OUR FRONT DOOR.
UM, HE JOKINGLY TOLD ME ONCE THAT HE COULD THROW A FOOTBALL FROM HIS BACKYARD AND I COULD CATCH IT IN MY FRONT YARD.
AND, UH, WE HAVEN'T TRIED THAT YET, BUT I, I THINK HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT.
UM, I AM A RETIRED STAY AT HOME DOGGY DAD, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT, VERY HAPPY TO BE THAT.
AND, UH, SO I'M ONLY A PHONE CALL AND, UH, A SHORT 20 MINUTE DRIVE AWAY AS WELL.
UH, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS AND ACROSS THE STREET NEIGHBORS HAVE OUR CONTACT INFORMATION.
THEY LOOK OUT FOR US, AND THEY KEEP AN EYE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, AS WELL.
SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS AS FAR AS THAT'S CONCERNED.
AND IF MATT WERE TO MOVE, WE'D HAVE PLENTY OF NOTICE.
WE'D GIVE YOU PLENTY OF NOTICE, AND WE WOULD FOLLOW THE APPROPRIATE STEPS.
NOW, REGARDING MR. ROY'S CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, I'M QUOTING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TOURIST HOMES.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY THING REALLY STANDING IN OUR WAY, UH, IT'S OBVIOUS IS, IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER TOURIST HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, FIVE WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS TO BE EXACT.
UH, WE'RE NOT OBLIVIOUS TO THAT.
WE'RE NOT, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.
TRUST ME, WE SHARE THE CONCERNS.
WE DON'T WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE OVERRUN WITH THESE THINGS.
NOBODY WANTS THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE OVERPOPULATED WITH TOURIST HOMES.
UM, BUT FIVE WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS, IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE HARDLY A LOT.
UM, ACCORDING TO THE 2020 CENSUS, THERE ARE 54,837 HOMES IN YORK COUNTY.
MS. QUAY, UH, PARDON ME, MRS. QUAY TOLD ME THERE ARE FEWER THAN 30 SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, HOMES IN YORK COUNTY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THESE HOMES ALREADY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND, AND THAT, AND THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
IT'S A GREAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT THERE'S A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF THESE HOMES THERE WHEN YOU CONSIDER ITS PROXIMITY TO BUSH GARDENS, COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG, WATER COUNTRY, THE COLLEGE OF WILLIAM AND MARY, OTHER TOURISTS RELATED AND OTHER HISTORICAL RELATED EVENTS AND THINGS TO DO.
AND THAT'S JUST NATURALLY WHERE THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO END UP.
UM, BUT AS I STATED BEFORE, IF WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET THIS PERMIT, OUR HOME WILL NOT BE YOUR TYPICAL RUN OF THE MILL TOURIST HOME.
IT WILL NOT WITH THE CONS, THE CONSTANT TURNOVER, THE NEW FACES EVERY FEW DAYS, DIFFERENT CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME, INCONSISTENCY THE UNKNOWN.
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
HAVING A RENTAL HOME THAT'S GEARED TOWARDS ACCOMMODATING TRAVEL NURSES, I BELIEVE IS A WIN FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
UM, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT EXTRA MONEY AWAY FOR OUR RETIREMENT.
THE ACCOUNTING WILL EARN EXTRA REVENUE, WHICH, UH, IS ALWAYS A PLUS.
UH, THE COMMUNITY WILL BENEFIT AS WELL.
UH, WE WILL BE PROVIDING A TEMPORARY HOME FOR MUCH NEEDED, HIGHLY SKILLED NURSES WHO HAVE COME TO WORK IN OUR HOSPITALS.
AND, UH, ALL THE WHILE THE FACE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I DON'T THINK WILL BE AFFECTED AT ALL, REALLY.
UH, THE OTHER TWO THAT ARE ON OUR ROAD, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY WERE THERE UNTIL SOMEBODY POINTED THEM OUT TO ME.
IN CLOSING, WE HAVE A F A FOOTPRINT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE HAD A FOOTPRINT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 21 YEARS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A FOOTPRINT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 21 YEARS.
HOPEFULLY, UH, USING OUR HOME AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS A, UH, TEMPORARY SITUATION UNTIL WE DECIDE TO MOVE BACK.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY AND WE HOPE YOU'LL HELP US MAKE IT A REALITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YEAH, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF LETTERS YOU RECEIVED AND NO NEGATIVES.
THAT, THAT, THAT JUST BLOWS MY MIND HOW YOU GET 27 YESES AND NO NO'S.
IT'S NOT STATISTICS OF THAT PARDON? ARE OVERWHELMING OVER, NO ONE MAILED BACK ANY NO'S.
ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS? NO ONE CALLED ME TO EXPRESS ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS WHATSOEVER.
SO I, I DID WALK YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAD, I HAD ONE PERSON THAT RESPONDED NEGATIVELY.
UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T, UH, SEND BACK A LETTER TO YOU.
JUST TO CREDIT, YOU COMMENTED THAT YOU PLANNED ON MOVING BACK YES.
DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FOR THAT? THINK NINE AND A HALF YEARS.
SHE PROBABLY KNOWS BY THE HOUR.
AND SINCE YOU DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER, I'M ASSUMING YOUR ANSWER IS YES, MA'AM.
I I I, I KIND OF GO ON FROM MY COMMISSIONER HERE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF POSITIVE, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED.
I KNOW IN MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT LEVEL OF, OF SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY WRITTEN,
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UM, TO RECEIVE ON THAT.THERE WAS ONE NEGATIVE, UH, I'LL NOTE THAT, UH, IRONICALLY WAS ANOTHER S T R, UM, I SAW THAT YESTERDAY.
HE HAS ONE AND DOESN'T WANT ME TO HAVE ONE.
UH, BUT I I, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE THOROUGHNESS THAT YOU HAVE RESEARCHED, UH, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE RENOVATED THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WAS RUNNING DOWN.
SO YOU'VE MADE AN IMPROVEMENT TO A PROPERTY.
UH, WHICH HAS HELPED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I BELIEVE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE AN INTENT TO RETURN BACK TO THAT PROPERTY.
UH, I, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE JUST PURCHASED A PROPERTY, FLIPPED IT AND TURNING IT INTO AN S D R.
SO THAT, I, I WAS IMPRESSED BY THAT, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A TARGET AUDIENCE AND THAT YOU'VE RESEARCHED THAT TARGET AUDIENCE AND THERE APPEARS TO BE A SIZABLE MARKET, UH, TO FILL THAT TARGET.
I THINK THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TARGETED, UM, AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE DENSITY RESTRICTIONS, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF STR IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THEY THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A DETRIMENT TO, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN'T SEE A REASON THAT THAT WOULD BE TRUE WITH THE NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO US.
UM, I, I, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I, I'M, I'M, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE ON IT WITH A LONG RANGE OBJECTIVE OF BEING IN THIS HOME AND BEING A NEIGHBOR, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL AIRBNB TYPE SITUATION.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENTS TO THANK YOU.
WELL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ARE WE DONE WITH THE APPLICANT? NO, NOT, NOT IN.
IF WE HAVE OUR COMMISSION COMMENTS, THOUGH.
I'LL HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS, BUT THAT WE'LL CLOSE OUR AND I'LL HEARING STILL PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING.
SHALL WE CLOSE? AND NOW FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, SINCE I'VE ALREADY JUMPED THE GUN.
NO, YOU HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, WE'RE NOW OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION? HAVING SEEN THAT, I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONER.
THEY WERE OUT IN THE YARD WHEN I STOPPED BY, AND SO I JUST WENT OUT AND, AND TALKED TO 'EM.
UH, ONE OF 'EM WAS FALL FOUR, THE S T R ALL FOUR OF YOUR WORK AND GREAT NEIGHBORS, AND THEY'VE KNOWN YOU FOR YEARS AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, THEY EVEN MENTIONED THAT THAT S T R SHOULD BE BY WRIGHT.
AND THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES, OTHER THAN ME SAYING IT, THAT THEY SHOULD BE BY WRIGHT
AND THE SECOND NEIGHBOR THOUGH, SAID, NO WAY.
THEY DID NOT WANT IT AT ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS GONNA BE THERE.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GONNA BE A MURDER OR A RAPIST, A ROBBER, ET CETERA.
WE'VE HEARD ALL THOSE COMMENTS FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE SAME ARGUMENTS.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.
IT MADE 50% A VERY SMALL SAMPLE, BUT IT WAS ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE, ONE.
AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
THAT'S PART OF THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE IN FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHICH WAY TO GO? SO ALSO, NEITHER GENTLEMAN WAS AWARE THAT THE TWO SDRS WERE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE.
SO THAT SPEAKS TO ME, THAT SAYS THAT STR AREN'T NECESSARILY BAD FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU LOOKED AROUND AND THE PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY PLUS THE TWO SDRS WAS PROBABLY AS WELL KEPT AS ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT WAS GOOD.
SO THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS THERE.
THE OWNER, NOT OWNER, I PREFER, I KNOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IN THE THING.
AND I, I GO BY THAT, BUT THE OWNER MANAGER ON THE PROPERTY USUALLY GETS MY VOTE.
AND IN VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN THAT'S NOT HAPPENED, UH, IT GETS MY VOTE.
IT PURPOSELY WAS ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE WOODS, AND THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE AROUND THEM.
AND SO THEY COULDN'T EITHER, THEY EITHER HAD TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY OR THEY HAD TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE, SO THEY WEREN'T THERE.
AND THE DENSITY OF THE STRS, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS METRICS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED FOR YEARS JUST DON'T WORK.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT DENSITY
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IS OVERPOPULATION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.SO WHEN I, WHEN I COME DOWN THROUGH AND YOU WANNA LOOK AT MY LITTLE MAKE FREAKS, I HAVE THREE UPS AND THREE DOWNS.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT I'M CONFUSED, BUT I WILL PROBABLY GO AGAINST THIS APPLICATION.
WHERE ARE WE? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, DISTRICT ONE HAS TWO TARGET AREAS FOR STRS.
ONE IS CARVER GARDENS, UH, REGION ONE IS, UH, YORK TERRACE.
UM, FIVE IN THIS, UH, IMMEDIATE AREA.
BUT, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT WE REVIEWED, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND HE HAS SIX OR SEVEN PROPERTIES IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA, E D L AND SIMPLE.
WERE, WERE TWO OF THE LOCATIONS FOR HIS PROPERTIES.
UM, I JUST, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE TURNING A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD INTO A MOTEL SIX.
AND I'VE SAID THAT, AND THAT'S CONTINUES TO BE MY CONCERN.
AND, AND AS I SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE SDRS COME FORWARD, ALWAYS IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SMALL HOUSES.
THEY'RE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUITE AFFORDABLE.
IT'S, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY ARE THE TARGET.
UH, PEOPLE CAN OPERATE THESE FAIRLY EFFECTIVELY AND MAKE THEIR MONEY BACK QUITE, QUITE QUICKLY.
UM, NOTHING AGAINST WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
I THINK THEY DO HAVE A, A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN THAT'S ENCOURAGING, BUT I JUST THINK YOU'VE ALREADY GOT TWO ON THAT SAME STREET.
DO WE NEED A THIRD DENSITY FOR ME IS, IS A FACTOR THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
AND I I CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT THAT'S A STRONG NEGATIVE IN THIS CASE.
UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, DON'T TAKE OFFENSE THAT NOBODY O ANSWERS THE DOOR.
THEY PROBABLY THINK YOU'RE A POLITICIAN
UH, MY DAUGHTER IN MY HAND,
AND, UH, SHE JUST SPENT THE LAST THREE DAYS WITH ME BETWEEN ASSIGNMENTS.
SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, CANVASSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST DOING, UH, DOING RESEARCH.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS A CONCERN IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, BUT I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB JUST, UH, PREPARING AND TALKING TO NEIGHBORS AND, AND, AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE GROUNDWORK THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN WITH, UH, FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WHY, WHY SHOULD THIS GENTLEMAN BE PENALIZED? BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE GOT THERE FIRST.
THE, UM, WHEN HIS MAY ACTUALLY BE A BETTER DEAL OR MAY IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE, UM, THE FACT THAT HE'S ONLY GONNA BE DOING THIS, I'M SORRY, THEY WILL ONLY BE DOING THIS, UH, FOR 10 YEARS.
UH, WE COULD PUT A LIMIT ON THIS AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALL TIME.
AND, UM, AND THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE DONE.
AND, AND ALL IN ALL, I SUPPORT THIS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I'VE, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS MANY TIMES, THAT THESE, THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL CASES ARE A CASE BY CASE BASIS, RIGHT? SO ALL OF MERITS AND WE TAKE ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, INTUIT IT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS MENTIONED IS, IS THAT WITH THE LACK OF, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NEVER GONNA MAKE IT, IT SEEMED LIKE WE SURPASSED THIS IN THIS CASE.
UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEARBY.
AND LIKE SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED, YOU DIDN'T JUST GET HERE OVERNIGHT AND, UH, TRY TO FLIP THE HOUSE.
STAFF HAS MENTIONED YOU MEET THE ZONING ORDINANCE STANDARDS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND LASTLY, A NUMBER FOUR POINT, THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE, UM, RESOLUTION WILL ENSURE THAT IT'LL BE RUN PROPERLY.
SO YOU'VE MET ALL MY, UH, ISSUES THAT I LOOK FOR, AND I WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL IF I DIDN'T, UH, SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THINGS I LOOK FOR.
AND I THINK YOU HEARD MY COMMENTS EARLIER.
UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN, UNLESS Y'ALL WANT ME TO.
UH, ANY LAST MINUTE INPUTS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
UM, I MOVE THAT WE FORWARD PC 23 DASH 18 ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE MOTION BY MR. KRINER IS TO ADOPT PC 23 DASH 18 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST STONE IN AN EXISTING DWELLING AT 1 22 WEST TEMPLE ROAD.
MR. KING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DENIAL, CORRECT? NO APPROVAL.
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APPROVAL.THE MOTION, RECOMMEND COMMEND APPROVAL OF THE TOURIST HOME.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL, IS WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
[7. Old Business]
OLD BUSINESS, THE OLD BUSINESS.I BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY, THERE'S NONE.
[8. New Business]
NEW BUSINESS FROM ANYONE? DON'T HAVE MR. I HAVE ONE, UH, ONE ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS.UM, I'M REFERRING TO A MATTER FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, UH, DATED JUNE 30TH.
AND THIS IS IN REGARD TO NORTH POINT DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROPERTY, UH, BUILDING, UH, OR PROPOSING TO BUILD, UH, WAREHOUSING NEAR THE, UH, POTTERY PROPERTY.
UM, WHEN I READ MR. MORGAN'S, UH, LETTER, IT, IT INDICATES THAT THE SUBMISSION IS A BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I'VE GONE BACK THROUGH THE ORDINANCES.
UM, PROPERTY IS ZONED ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
AND IN SECTION 24.1 DASH 3 0 6 OF THE ZONING CODE, THERE IS A TABLE.
AND SECTION 14 OF THAT TABLE IS TITLED, UH, WAREHOUSING, WHOLESALING.
AND ITEM TWO OF THAT TABLE, UH, REFERS TO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE PERMITTED UNDER IL AND IG, UM, ZONE, UH, BUT UNDER EO ZONING MUST HAVE AN S U P.
SO I'D LIKE THE COUNTY TO FOLLOW UP PLEASE AND JUST ENSURE THAT, UH, WE ARE FOLLOWING THESE ZONING ORDINANCES AND THAT THAT, UH, ITEM WOULD COME FORWARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHAT? THAT, THAT'S A DETERMINATION TO BE MADE BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND SHE HAS MADE THAT DETERMINATION.
AND THEN I'D LIKE AN EXPLANATION.
IT DOES NOT, I DON'T THINK I, UH, ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? ANYONE? OKAY.
[9. Staff Reports/Recent Actions by the Board of Supervisors]
STAFF REPORT? YES.UH, THERE ARE NO BOARD ACTIONS TO REPORT BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ON THE BOARD'S JULY AGENDA RELATED TO LAND USE.
COMING UP AT THEIR MEETING ON AUGUST 15TH, THEY HAVE THE TWO JAVA DOG APPLICATIONS THAT YOU ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF BACK IN JULY, THE COFFEE SHOP AND STORAGE SHED SALES BUSINESS ON MOTOWN ROAD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU REMEMBER YOU CALLED THE TOMMY'S EXPRESS CAR WASH ON ROUTE 17, WHICH WAS DENIED BACK IN JUNE.
IS BACK ON THE BOARD'S AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
COMING UP ON YOUR SEPTEMBER 13TH AGENDA, PRESUMABLY WE'LL HAVE A VOTE ON THE DRAFT COMP PLAN.
UM, THE, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, ONE IS FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE ON ROUTE 17 IN TAB.
THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE SAME ONE THAT WAS PULLED FROM TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THIS IS, UH, MIKE KINDLE'S, UH, CUSTOM DECKS AND FENCES, UH, VARIED NEARBY
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR THE, UH, STOP AND GO CONVENIENCE STORE ON DENBY BOULEVARD, WHICH FORMERLY WAS RIPS.
UM, THEY HA UH, THE OWNER HAS APPLIED AND SUBMITTED ONE APPLICATION TO ALLOW GAS PUMPS ON THE PROPERTY, AND A SECOND APPLICATION TO ALLOW A MINI STORAGE WAREHOUSE FACILITY, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND SO THOSE ARE YOUR ITEMS FOR THE SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING.
UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, AS MR. TITUS INDICATED, I REPORTED THAT THAT WAS MS. ROY'S LAST MEETING, BUT SHE MADE A LIAR OUT OF ME
UH, SHE VERY GENEROUSLY, UH, VOLUNTEERED TO PRESENT TONIGHT'S CASE, UH, 'CAUSE SHE HAD BEEN WORKING ON IT.
UH, AND SO SHE JUST FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR HER TO SEE IT THROUGH.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THIS REALLY IS HER LAST MEETING.
UH, AND WE OF COURSE FOR NOW, WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
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POSITION AS THE ACTING PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR YORK COUNTY.FOUR QUESTIONS SHOULD GO TO HER.
IT WOULD GO TO CHRISTIE OLSON.
[10. Committee Reports]
REPORTS.ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS? GOOD TO GO.
[11. Commission Reports and Requests]
COMMISSIONER REQUESTS? IF NOT, UH, I WOULD ADJOURN TONIGHT'S MEETING ADJOURNED.