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UH, GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE AUGUST 1ST, 2023 PORT SUPERVISORS MEETING.
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I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A FORM? OKAY.
UH, THIS EVENING WE HAVE TWO, UH, QUARTERLY UPDATES.
UH, FIRST ONE'S FROM ROSSIE CARROLL, THE RE RESIDENCY ADMINISTRATOR, VDOT AND ROSSIE.
WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU CAN PLEASE GO UP TO THE, HAVE A SEAT HERE.
AND THEN SECONDLY, WE'LL HAVE, UH, THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY DISCUSSION.
ROSSI, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN SHEPHERD, OTHER DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, GOOD TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE, UH, INTRODUCTIONS.
I'D LIKE TO START BEFORE I GIVE MY TRANSPORTATION UPDATE.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO TO INTRODUCE TO YOU, UH, BRIAN GENTRY.
UH, BRIAN GENTRY WAS JUST, UH, PROMOTED TO THE ASSISTANT RESIDENCY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION FOR WILLIAMSBURG RESIDENCY AND V O UH, HE HAS BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT ABOUT 25 YEARS.
UM, SO, UH, GOOD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.
AND ALSO, UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE WILLIAM ROSS.
UH, WILLIAM IS OUR MAINTENANCE SUPERINTENDENT, UH, AT THE SEAFORD AREA HEADQUARTERS RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND HE SERVICES PROBABLY ABOUT 75, 80% OF YORK COUNTY, UH, UHHUH FALLS.
SO, KIND WANTED TO DO THOSE INTRODUCTIONS JUST SO YOU COULD PUT A FACE WITH A NAME.
UM, AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, YOU'RE DOING GREAT JOB WITH VDO AND WITH THE RESIDENCY.
SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO DO THOSE INTRODUCTIONS BEFORE I GET STARTED AND, UH, NO QUESTIONS.
[1* VDOT Quarterly Update. Receive update from Rossie Carroll, Residency Administrator. ]
ON TO OUR QUARTERLY UPDATE.UM, SO OUR MAINTENANCE ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THIS QUARTER, UH, IN THE COUNTY, WE, WE RECEIVED 525 WORK ORDERS.
UM, MAJORITY OF THEM WERE DRAINAGE, UH, DEAD ANIMALS AND POTHOLES.
UH, OUT OF THOSE 525, WE'VE COMPLETED 402 THIS QUARTER, THE QUARTER'S FROM MAY 1ST TO JULY 31ST.
UM, AND WE HAVE 123 OUTSTANDING IN THAT QUARTER.
UH, AND IT WAS THE 77% COMPLETION RATE.
UM, I ALWAYS KIND OF DO THIS PLUG.
WE HAVE A RESIDENCY DIRECT LINE 7 5 7 2 5 3 5 1 3 8.
UM, WHERE YOU CAN EITHER CONTACT THE RESIDENCY IF WE'RE NOT AVAILABLE.
IT'LL GO ON TO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER WHERE YOU CAN SUBMIT A WORK ORDER, UM, FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY SEE.
ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN TV.
AND THAT WILL, THAT'LL CONNECT US TO WHO? THAT CONNECTS US TO THE RESIDENCY DURING BUSINESS HOURS OFFICE.
IF IT, IF WE'RE NOT, IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS, THEY REVERT OVER TO OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTER, WHICH THEY STILL WILL TAKE.
UM, THE INFORMATION CREATE A WORK ORDER FALLS INTO OUR SYSTEM.
SO IF THEY WANT TO HAVE POTHOLE FIELD, THAT'S THE NUMBER TO CALL.
A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF MAINTENANCE ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
UH, WE DID SOME DITCHING THIS QUARTER.
ROUTE 1 34 IN INDUSTRY DRIVE, UH, PINES OF YORK.
AND, UH, WORKING OVER IN BRANDYWINE, UH, DID SOME FACTOR SERVICE WORK ON ROUTE 1 34 FROM VICTORY TO LONG GREEN.
UH, PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY THERE ON THAT PROJECT.
DID SOME MACHINE PATCHING WITH ASPHALT BALLARD REED WATER STREET, UM, ALBACORE, JERNIGAN LANE, AUTUMN WADE, JESSICA DRIVE AND BRIDGEWOOD DRIVE.
UH, TREE TRIMMING, UH, THIS QUARTER OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD, GLEE ROAD, YORKTOWN, UM, BIG BETHEL AND, UH, COOK ROAD.
UH, WE'VE DONE MACHINE MOWING, BRUSH CUTTING ON OLD WILLIAMSBURG ROAD, COOK ROAD AND GLEE.
UH, OUR SECOND COUNTY MOWING CYCLE WAS COMPLETED AND OUR THIRD SCHEDULED MOWING CYCLE WILL START, UM, AUGUST 22ND.
AND THAT'S LITTER PICKUP, HAND MOWING, TRACTOR MOWING THROUGH
UH, WE DID SINKHOLE REPAIRS OVER ON TIDES RUN HENRY LEE LANE, UH, FIELDING LEWIS DRIVE AND DID SOME SHOULDER REPAIRS ON WOLF, TRAPP ROAD, COOK ROAD, ORVILLE HAMPTON HIGHWAY AND DARBY ROAD.
UH, SOME OF THE PLANNED MAINTENANCE PROJECTS COMING UP.
UH, WE, WE LINK ROAD, OUR BRINGING THIS ONE UP BECAUSE WE STARTED LINK ROAD SORT AS A PILOT PROJECT, UH, SEEING HOW THE, UM, SHOULDER STABILIZATION PROJECT WORKED.
I THINK IT'S BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD.
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TO TAKE THAT EVEN FURTHER.UM, SO WE'RE WE, UH, LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK BRIAN HAS A MEETING, IS IT TOMORROW? THIS WEEK? UM, AND, AND TRYING TO GET THAT, UH, SCOPED AND MATERIALS ORDERED AND ALL THAT AS WELL.
THE, THE HOMEOWNERS THERE HAVE BEEN REALLY HAPPY WITH, YEAH.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING FAIRLY WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD SYSTEM THAT WHOEVER DESIGNED IT THE WAY IT WORKS, IT'S WORKING OUT PRETTY WELL.
SO, UH, WE HAVE ROUTE 1 34 AND ROUTE 17 SOUTH.
WE HAVE A SHOULDER AND SLOPE REPAIR.
UM, WE ARE, WE'VE DONE THE DETOUR PIECE OF IT.
WE DO HAVE THE SIOUX THAT WE STILL HAVE TO, UH, THAT'S SORT OF THE MARKING, THE UTILITIES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, BUT ALSO WE'RE GONNA PARTNER PROBABLY WITH BRIDGE 'CAUSE UH, THEY'RE DOING SOME BRIDGE WORK FOR THAT OVERPASS.
AND IF WE CAN DO BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME, IT'LL MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF MM-HMM.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM.
THIS IS A LONG 1 34, 1 34 17 OVERPASS.
THAT'S, NEEDED IT FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THEN, UH, LAKELAND OVERFLOW, UM, WE'RE DOING SOME PIPELINING.
UM, WE GOT A PROJECT IN THE WORKS FOR THAT ROUTE 17 AT MAIN STREET.
UM, WE GOT A B M P SLOPE AND EROSION REPAIR.
UH, THAT'LL START LATE AUGUST.
AND, UH, CRAWFORD ROAD CROSS PIPE INSTALLATION.
WE HAVE THAT IN PLANNED AND ROUTE 17 PAVEMENT JOINT REPAIRS.
UM, OR SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO COMING UP.
UM, SOME OF THE V VDOT ADMINISTERED PROJECTS.
WE HAVE A PILOT MID-BLOCK PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
UH, THIS IS A MID-BLOCK PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ON ROUTE 60 BYPASS JUST EAST OF COUNTRY INN.
UH, THE TASK ORDER HAS BEEN ISSUED AN ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION TO START MIDDLE OF THIS MONTH, UH, PROJECTED COMPLETION MID-OCTOBER.
UH, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, BUT GIMME 60 DAYS AT LEAST.
WE, WE ORDERED THAT BACK IN APRIL.
UM, SO ALMOST EVERYTHING IS HERE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL BE STARTING IN A COUPLE WEEKS AND I'LL GET OUT, UH, ASPHALT PAVING PROJECT.
UH, IT WAS ADVERTISED IN DECEMBER.
UH, COMPLETION WILL BE NOVEMBER OF 2023.
UH, ROADS IN THAT PROJECT OR FOURTH SSS BOULEVARD.
SO THAT WOULD BE FROM WHERE TO WHERE? UH, THAT IS FROM ROUTE 7 0 6, WHICH IS FROM BIG BETHEL ROAD TO HAMPTON HIGHWAY IS WHAT? IT'S HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
BY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL.
THE K CREEK AREA IS GOING FROM PICTURE FROM BOULEVARD.
TO ME IT'S A REP PAVE K CREEK IS BOTH SIDES.
SO YOU HAVE TWO SECTIONS THAT ARE I IN YOUR COUNTY? YES.
UM, AND IT'S BOTH SECTIONS, BOTH SIDES.
THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY I CAN PUT IT.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF PUTTING IT.
THE, THE YORKTOWN ROAD YOU SET FROM BIG BE ROAD TO HAMPTON HIGHWAY, IS THEY GONNA GO PAST THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR GO PAST THE HIGH SCHOOL? WHICH WAY ARE YOU COMING? WELL, YORKTOWN ROAD COMES, IT, UH, IS A GOOD QUESTION.
WHERE'S BIG BETHEL ROAD ACTUALLY END THERE? IS IT IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL OR, WELL, I GUESS BIG BETHEL ROAD ACTUALLY TURNS INTO YORKTOWN ROAD.
WELL, IT DOES, BUT IT YORKTOWN ROAD ACTUALLY GOES SOUTH.
IT TURNS SOUTH AND HEADS OVER TOWARDS CALHR NICK.
SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING ON YORKTOWN ROAD, IT ACTUALLY STARTS AT CALHR NICK.
WHICH, WHERE CAL NICK RUNS INTO, UH, UH, RUNS INTO VICTORY AND, AND YOU HAVE RUNNING MAN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO, SO YOUR TOWN ROAD WOULD GO FROM CAL NECK ALL THE WAY UP TO HAMPTON HIGHWAY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE STATION TO HAMPTON.
I THINK IT GOES IN FRONT OF THE, WELL, THE, THE, THE SECTION THAT WE HAD THE ACCIDENT.
UM, SO IT RUNS OUT THAT WAY BY THE OKAY.
THAT'S IN FRONT OF, THAT'S BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL THAT WAY.
BUT IT'S GONNA, BUT IT'S GONNA END SOMEWHERE TO VERIFY.
I DON'T HAVE MY TOP TO KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LENGTH OF IT RIGHT AROUND ONE POINT, ONE MILE AND A HALF.
SO THAT, I ASSUME THAT'S THAT SECTION FIVE MILES.
IT'S SEGMENT BETWEEN 1 34 AND HIGH SCHOOL.
IT'S NOT GOING, IT'S NOT GOING SOUTH DOWN TO CALOR NECK THEN IT IS NOT GOING SOUTH DOWN TOWARDS CALTHORPE NECK.
YOU'RE I GONNA PAY YOU IN THAT? NO, IT STOPS RIGHT THERE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT, IN FRONT OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, IN FRONT OF MOUNT VERNON, IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, IN FRONT OF BETHEL, BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH THAT STRETCH OF THE ROAD.
AND THEN GOES OUT TO, UH, IT GOES OUT TO WHERE PROBABLY, WELL, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, LIKE I SAID, THE FIRE STATION.
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YEAH.THAT'S WHERE IT TURNS OUT BETHEL.
NOW, NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT, TELL ME AGAIN WHEN YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
WELL, SO IT, IT'LL BE DONE BY NOVEMBER.
BUT THE CONTRACTOR HAS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE AWARDED THE PROJECT, WE'VE ISSUED THE NOTICE TO PROCEED.
UH, THEY WERE LOOKING AT STARTING THIS AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, IT BE ON THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, SO IT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER IS THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU.
GIVE, GIVE OUR FOLKS A HEADS UP THAT WORK WORK'S COMING THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GET THESE THINGS OUT THERE AS WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WE'VE WHICH SECTION OF THE ROAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.
ARE YOU GONNA BE WIDENING THE ROAD WHEN YOU NO.
SO THIS IS ONLY WIDENING, PAVING, MILLING, AND PAVING EXISTING PAVEMENTS.
UM, AND MARKING, JUST GOING BACK AS, AS THEY ARE.
WE, WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING TO DO A SIDEWALK PROJECT THERE.
NEIL, IN FRONT OF THE, ON YOUR TOWN ROAD THAT GOES DOWN TOWARD HAMPTON.
IS ANY, UH, THIS WILL, YOU DON'T STEP ON EACH OTHER OR OKAY.
THIS WILL BE WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE LATEX PROJECT, WHICH, UH, IS STILL ONGOING.
THEY DID CAPITAL LANDING ROAD, UH, NORTHBOUND SOUTHBOUND FROM, UH, WILLIAMSBURG CITY LIMITS TO, UH, I SAY CAMP PERRY'S ENTRANCE.
UH, AND THEY ALSO DID LAKESIDE DRIVE, UH, FROM 17 TO RIGHT CLOSE TO OLD LAKESIDE DRIVE, UM, CONTRACTORS WORKING THE PUNCH LIST ITEMS. UH, THEY HAVE SOME SWEEPING TO DO.
THEY HAVE SOME, UH, SOME REPAIRS TO SOME LINE MARKINGS, UM, ESPECIALLY ON LAKESIDE DRIVE ROUTE SIX 20.
STILL LEFT TO DO, I DID GET AN UPDATE FROM THEM.
THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING 'CAUSE SCHEDULE INCLUDED MULTIPLE COUNTIES, BUT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING TO, OKAY.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THEY HIT THE SWEEPING EFFORT WHERE THE STREETS WENT IN, BECAUSE I WAS, I STOPPED.
THEY HAD LITTLE KIDS HAD AN LEMONADE STAND AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CUTTING IN ROADS.
SO RIGHT AT THE ITCH THERE AND, AND OTHER CARS COME TO STOP AND THEY HIT THAT GRAVEL AND THEY SLAMMED IT TOO.
THEY ACTUALLY PUT THE GRAVEL DOWN THEMSELVES TO KEEP IT FROM TRACKING WHEN THEY DO THE ENTRANCES.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THEY GOTTA COME BACK QUICKER AND REMOVE IT.
BUT IT'S REALLY SERVES THE PURPOSE SO IT DOESN'T TRACK EVERYWHERE.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE PENMAN ROAD, GOMAN ROAD, UM, WHERE WE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, UH, THAT IMPROVES THE SAFETY WI PENMAN ROAD AND BICYCLE LANES.
UM, U UTILITY RELOCATION IS ABOUT 95% COMPLETE RIGHT NOW.
UH, ADVERTISEMENT WOULD BE OCTOBER, 2023.
AND IT'S SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2024.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE FINALLY, UH, MOVING FORWARD CONSTRUCTION PLAN COMPLETION.
UM, THAT NA, NAVAL, NAVAL RAILROAD.
IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS QUITE A WHILE.
I LOOK AT THE U P C NUMBER AND OH YES.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS AT LEAST.
AT LEAST IT'S LIKE NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO U PC TWO, IT IT IS FIVE DIGITS.
BUT DON'T BELIEVE ME, THAT ONE'S BEEN ON FOREVER.
OH, I THINK IT WAS ON THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN WHEN I STARTED IN WILLIAMSBURG.
UH, BUT LATE AS THAT END, THE END OF THE TUNNEL, UH, THE, AND I WILL ADD THAT THE NAVAL RAILROAD PARCEL EASEMENT WERE CLEARED.
SO THAT GOT US MOVING BACK ON THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE RELOCATION FOR THE EASEMENT, UH, ROUTE 1 71, RIGHT TURN LANE EXTENSION, UM, EXTENDS THE WESTBOUND VICTORY BOULEVARD RIGHT TURN LANE AT KILN CREEK PARKWAY.
SO YOU JUST KIND OF SAID THAT AND THEN JUMPED INTO, INTO KILN CREEK THE, THE, THE RIGHT TURN LANE ON 1 71.
SO IF YOU THAT DOWN BY FIRE STATION, YOU'RE COMING FROM 17 ONE GOING TOWARDS THE WALMART ENTRANCE.
SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE RIGHT TURN ON, UH, COMING OFF OF BIG BETHEL ROAD ON NO, NO, NO.
COMING, COMING TOWARDS KILLING CREEK FROM 17, THERE'S A RIGHT TURN LANE INTO A WALMART THAT'S GONNA EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO KILL CREEK BOULEVARD.
OH, THANK YOU FOR THAT, KELLY.
I CAN TOO MANY PEOPLE JUST RUN OUTTA ROOM AND YEP.
SO THAT EXTENDS THAT, THAT IT CONNECTS THE TWO RIGHT THERE.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HELP CUT THE TREES DOWN.
UM, SO, UH, THAT ULTIMATELY SORT OF CREATES A WESTBOUND LANE GOING THAT DIRECTION TO CREEK BOULEVARD.
KIND EXTENDS THAT RIGHT TURN LANE.
UM, ADVERTISEMENT BE DECEMBER, 2024 WITH THE AWARD SET FOR MARCH, 2025.
THAT'S A SMALL IMPORTANT LITTLE PROJECT ACTUALLY.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SURPRISES SO MANY PEOPLE.
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GET IN THAT LANE AND THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE THE RIGHT HAND TURN AND REALIZE THEY CAN'T.AND THEN IT JUST COSTS SAR KIND OF GRIEF.
SO, SO, UH, WE HAVE THE, I GOT AN UPDATE ON THE WIDTH CREEK ROAD PROJECT.
UM, THE WIDTH CREEK WITH CREEK ROAD PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF INCLUDES TWO PROJECTS, ONE OVER IN HAMPTON AND ONE IN KOSIN.
UM, PROJECT LINKS 1.8 MILES PROJECT PROVIDES THREE LANE REVERSIBLE ROADWAY FROM COMMANDER SHEPHERD BOULEVARD TO KERRY CHAPEL ROAD.
UH, TWO LANES WILL BE OPERATED IN SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION IN THE AM UM, TWO LANES WILL BE OPERATED NORTHBOUND DIRECTION IN THE PM AND OFF PEAK HOURS.
THE CENTER LANE WILL OPERATE AS A TWO-WAY CENTER TURN.
UM, NEW 1500 FEET LONG BRIDGE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE CAUSEWAY AREA BETWEEN HAMPTON AND KOSIN.
UH, BRINGING THE ROADWAY SERVICE ELEVATION ABOVE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
UH, A NEW SIGNAL WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AT, UH, WITH CREEK AND CARRIAGE CHAPEL INTERSECTION, AND THE EXISTING SIGNAL WILL BE MODIFIED AT GER DRIVE AND LANGLEY BOULEVARD.
UM, THE EXISTING ROAD OVER THE CAUSEWAY IS GONNA BE PART OF A PEDESTRIAN, UM, PIECE OUT THERE.
SO, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK MULTI-USE PATH, NEW SIDEWALKS BE CONSTRUCTED, PROVIDE CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.
SO WHEN DID THAT PROJECT, WHEN WAS THAT PROJECT SUPPOSED TO START? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED BEFORE AND, AND WE COULDN'T AWARD IT.
UM, SO WE WERE GOING BACK FOR ADVERTISEMENT IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
THAT PROJECT SUPPOSED TO START IN 2020.
OH, THAT'S HOW LONG AGO IT'S BEEN SITTING OUT THERE.
IT'S BEEN, WELL, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED A FEW TIMES.
JUST COULDN'T AWARD IT COULDN'T AWARD THE MONEY JUST WASN'T THERE.
INFLATION IS, I'M A YEAR SO YOU'LL AWARD THE CONTRACT.
CHRIS HALL SAID IT'D BE AROUND NOVEMBER, SO THAT'S WHEN YOU THINK IT, IT'S GONNA ADVERTISE NOVEMBER OR, OKAY.
UH, THE AWARD PROBABLY ABOUT MARCH OF 2024 IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE ABOUT MARCH BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS VOIDED.
UM, SO CONSTRUCTION NOTICE WAS TO PROCEED LATE 2024 WITH THE COMPLETION LATE 2027, SORT OF THE TIMEFRAME.
UH, WE STILL HAVE THE THREE SMART SCALE PROJECTS.
UM, ROUTE 17 WIDENING BETWEEN, UH, ROUTE SIX 30 AND THANK YOU.
UH, 1 73, UM, TARGET ADVERTISEMENT IS DECEMBER OF 2026, UM, WITH, UH, CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN THE SUMMER OF 2027.
UH, SCOPING PHASE CLOSED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, DESIGN APPROVALS, UM, WE'RE IN THE SUMMER OF 2022.
SO, UM, THAT DESIGN APPROVAL PACKAGE IS COMPLETE.
AND, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY UTILITY RELOCATION PHASE FOR THAT PROJECT.
WHICH ONE OF THESE, WHICH PROJECTS IS THIS IS EXTENDING THE SIX LANES ALL THE WAY UP TO 1 73 DE ONE 17.
A LITTLE PIECE OF VICTORY BETWEEN HAMPTON AND ROUTE 17.
THAT FOUR C PART OVER BY MALLORY, IS IT? NO, NO, THIS IS ON 17.
THIS IS THIS ON S 1717 WHERE IT LEFT ALL THE WAY ONE THREE.
SO YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, UM, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT, UM, VDOT WANTS OUR UNDERGROUND UTILITY FUNDS MM-HMM.
SO THAT'LL BE ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA FOR US.
SO FROM VICTORY BOULEVARD, JUST PAST THE OVERPASS TO PICK UP? NO, IT'S FROM, I GUESS WOLF TRAPP.
SAY WOLF TRAP, THE CLOSEST ONE OUT TOBY WAY GO THAT.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, UH, ROUTE 17 HIGHWAY OF SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS.
THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WOLF TRAP UP TO DENBY, RIGHT? YEP.
THAT'S ONLY GOING WELL, IT FELL INTO THE HIGHWAY OF SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S ONLY GOING TO GOWIN BACK, HUH? YEAH, JUST GOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION THERE.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE ROUTE 1 71 WIDENING BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34, AND THAT ADDS A LANE AND THE EAST DIRECTION.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, WHEN DID THAT, UH, START? UH, I'M SORRY THAT THE ADVERTISE, UM, OH, THIS YEAR IT'S UNDERWAY.
ADVERTISEMENT IS APRIL OF 2024.
THE 10TH OF A MILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, IT, IT'S ABOUT, ABOUT A YEAR, LITTLE OVER A YEAR CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.
AND THAT'S BETWEEN WHEN, WHERE AND WHERE, AGAIN, BETWEEN BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34 BY THE SHELL STATION THERE ON MM-HMM.
IS THAT WHERE THAT NEW LEFT TURN LANE COULD
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HAVE FIT INTO THAT? THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA START, BUT IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.YEAH, THAT'S THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE.
IT'S GOT THE DOUBLE LEFT ON IT.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE 1 71 CAPACITY HAMMOND ENHANCEMENTS BETWEEN, UH, 1 34 AND 1740.
THAT'S, UH, INTERSECTION TURN LANE AND SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS WITH A SHARED USE PATH ALONG 1 71 BETWEEN 1 34 AND HEAVEN'S WAY.
UH, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STARTED, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, LOOKING AT COMPLETION SOMETIME IN 2028.
UM, SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THE PROJECT SCOPING FOR IT NOW.
SO STILL IN PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PHASE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS QUARTER, UH, WE DID A SPEED STUDY, UH, ON CARIES CHAPEL ROAD.
UH, THE STUDY SUPPORTED THE 35 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
UH, WE ALSO DID A SPEED STUDY ON COVENTRY BOULEVARD AND OWEN DAVIS BOULEVARD.
UH, PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST TO PUT SOME, UH, PEDESTRIAN CROSSING ON SOME CROSSWALKS AHEAD.
UH, SO BOTH OF THOSE SUPPORTED THE 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS THAT ARE EXISTING.
UH, WE DID A CROSSWALK REVIEW ON COVENTRY, UH, BASED ON THE REVIEW.
UH, WE RECOMMEND, UM, CROSSWALKS AT, UH, LAVERNE WAY AND PEACHTREE LANE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA INSTALL HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSWALK PAVEMENT MARKS ACROSS THE SOUTH APPROACH OF BOTH OF THOSE ROADS, INSTALL THE TWO PEDESTRIAN WARNING SIGNS AND INSTALL THE SUPPLEMENTAL ARROWS FOR THE, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN SIGNS OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
UH, WE DID, UH, REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AT, UH, KILN CREEK PARKWAY, UM, BASED ON THE REVIEW TRAFFIC ENGINEERING RECOMMENDED, UH, SOME STOP HERE FOR PEDESTRIAN SIGNS TO BE INSTALLED IN ADVANCE OF THE CROSSWALKS AND, UH, AT EACH APPROACH.
AND THEN ALSO GONNA PUT A STOP LINE, UH, STOP HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, ADVANCE OF THE CROSSINGS.
KEIL CREEK PARKWAY'S ON THE PARKWAY.
BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T STOPPING.
THE CROSSWALK ARE NOBODY'S STOPPING.
THEY'RE NOT STOPPING FOR THEM.
WELL, I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
IT'S, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING ACROSS, UH, VICTORY WAY, GET RUN OVER.
I SAY GO ACROSS AND THEN WE DID, UH YEAH.
YOU SEEN THE GUY IN THE WHEELCHAIR TRY TO CROSS.
AND YOU HAD THE LIGHTS THERE, THE PET HEADS.
I MEAN IT'S, BUT THIS'LL HELP.
I THINK AT LEAST HE PUT MORE FOCUS TOWARDS PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AHEAD.
UM, SO WE INTERSECTION REVIEW BALLARD STREET, UH, COLONIAL PARKWAY, UM, THE BRICKING ROAD, UH, BASED ON THE REVIEW THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDED WE WE'RE GONNA REFRESH THE INTERSECTION, INTERSECTION PAVEMENT MARKINGS THERE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE CONFUSION CORNER OF THE FIVE LEGS.
UM, THE COLONIAL PARKWAY, THE FIVE INTERSECTION, FIVE POINT INTERSECTION UP THERE.
I THINK THE COLONIAL PARKWAY AS WELL.
WELL, IT GOT MY ATTENTION IS WHEN YOU SAY COLONIAL PARKWAY, I'M THINKING OF VDOT SPENDING MONEY ON, ON FEDERAL APPROACH.
WELL, IT ACTUALLY COMES OUT AT THAT INTERSECTION.
IT'S ONE OF THE FIVE LEGS THERE IN THAT INTERSECTION IS THE PARKWAY ROSSIE.
I HAD TALKED TO THE PARK DIRECTOR SUPERINTENDENT A WHILE BACK ABOUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE AT THAT CON, I CALL IT CONFUSION JUNCTION.
UH, ANY BREAK ON ANY DISCUSSION FROM THEM.
ACTUALLY BE A PERFECT, PERFECT PLACE FOR ROUNDABOUT.
AND YOU PUT A YORKTOWN CANNON IN THE MIDDLE OF TOM SHEPHERD TO THE COUNTY.
UH, LAND USE FOR THIS QUARTER, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE 25 PLAN REVIEWS.
UH, WE'VE COMPLETED EIGHT OF THOSE AND WE HAVE NOT ADDED ANY ADDITIONAL LANE MILES THIS QUARTER.
UM, IT'S NOT MY PROJECT, BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT UP, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WITH THE COLONIAL PARKWAY.
IT'S GETTING READY TO DO SOME, UH, UH, START THEIR PHASE ONE FOR PAVEMENT REHAB.
UM, SO WITH THAT, THERE'S A DETOUR PLAN INVOLVED WITH THAT, WHICH PUTS IT ON, UH, STATE ROADS, LOCAL ROADS.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME, SOME IMPACTS DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
AND, UH, INTERESTINGLY FOR NEXT 4TH OF JULY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE YORKTOWN WON'T BE ABLE TO GO THE WAY WE ALWAYS ROUTE THEM.
SO, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT MY PROJECT, BUT, UM, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO START FEELING THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR, AND HANG ON.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUTS FOR THIS? SHOULD
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I SAY IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK ORSO YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR THIS? NO, NOT FOR, NOT FOR US.
YEAH, I GOT A, A HOST OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, RUMBLE STRIPS ON GOOD ONE NECK.
WHERE ARE WE STAND TALK TO 'EM TODAY.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING TO GET IT INTO THE RETROFITTING CONTRACT.
UH, WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE, THE TASK ORDER THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT ALREADY IS ON TASK, JUST TRYING TO GET THE TASK ORDERS COMPLETE.
WE'RE IN HURRICANE SEASON RIGHT NOW.
WE DOING SOME CLEANING OF DITCHES.
WE GOT A LITTLE PLAN THAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, SO THERE'S TWO SIDES OF THAT.
WE PLAN FOR HURRICANES CONDITION READINESS.
WE'RE IN CONDITION READINESS FIVE FROM THE START OF HURRICANE SEASON.
MOST OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL AND PLANS AND, AND DETOURS AND, AND ALL OF THAT THING.
UM, NORMALLY BEFORE, YOU KNOW, 72 HOURS BEFORE SOMETHING, WE GO OUT TO OUR, WHAT I CALL OUR NORMAL PROBLEM AREAS MM-HMM.
UM, WE ARE IN A TIDAL AREA, SO SOME OF THAT'S TITLED, BUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S CLEAR.
MAKE SURE THAT THE DROP INLETS.
BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE, UM, DRAINAGE PLAN HERE IN THE COUNTY FOR THE PAST SIX, EIGHT MONTHS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO CERTAINLY THAT WILL HELP.
UM, IF WE WERE TO GET, UM, SIGNIFICANT EVENT.
ANY PLANS FOR MA INCREASING THE SAFETY ON THAT? IT'S, IT'S NOT IN MY PROJECT PLAN ANYMORE.
I KNOW WE WENT OUT THERE AND DID SOME WORK, UM, SHOULDER WORK STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
I JUST, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED IN, IN THE RECENT MONTHS, LEMME SAY THAT.
AND THE, THE LAST QUESTION IS, UH, I WAS READING THE ARTICLE THAT THEIR DEATHS ON THE ROADS, UH, IN VIRGINIA HAVE, HAVE GONE UP PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN, UH, VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN RELATED.
THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF FATALITIES AND CRASHES.
HOW ARE WE DOING AS FAR AS IN YORK COUNTY WITH SAFETY ON THE ROADS? AND IS THERE ANY PLANS TO TAKE THESE PROBLEM STRETCHES OF THE ROAD OR INTERSECTIONS? AND SO, SO WE, WE, IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION.
IT'S SO, SO, UH, I KIND OF START WITH IF THERE'S EVER A FATALITY, WE ALWAYS DO A FATAL CRASH REVIEW.
UM, AND IT INVOLVES MULTIPLE SECTIONS DOING AS PART OF THAT REVIEW.
UM, FROM THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, REALLY WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF CRASH, WHAT IN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT INFLUENCED THE CRASH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND SEE WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY ABILITIES, UH, OF US TO, TO IMPROVE THOSE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE A LARGER PROJECT.
SOME OF 'EM ARE, YOU KNOW, THINGS INCREASING SITE DISTANCE THAT WE DEAL WITH, MAINTENANCE FORCES, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN A PRETTY GOOD PUSH AND YOUR COUNTY IS PARTICIPATING IN THAT WITH, UH, SIDEWALK AND REV SHARE PROJECTS THAT IMPROVE THOSE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UH, SAFETY, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
UM, THAT, THAT I'M PLEASED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA GET STARTED AND GET COMPLETED AND, AND HELPS IN THOSE, THOSE SITUATIONS.
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PROVIDING A PATH OR A AVENUE TO NOT HAVE ORANGE STREET WALK IN THE STREET, LIKE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO, UM, SO YOUR COUNTY'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER COUNTY? UM, ACROSS THE STATE? IT'S BEEN FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S ON THE INTERSTATE, BUT IT'S BEEN A, UM, IT'S BEEN A HIKE OR, OR A SPIKE IN FATALITIES ACROSS THE STATE.
AND, AND PRETTY MUCH OVERALL IN GENERAL, WE ARE ABOUT WHERE WE WERE.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE AND WE'RE STRIVING TO, TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED THAT ALSO IMPACTING SOME OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, DISTRACTED DRIVING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP IN THE LONG RUN.
UH, SPEEDS, UM, HAVE BEEN A ISSUE AS WELL.
UM, CERTAINLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS WE SEE THAT THE SPEEDS HAVE INCREASED MORE AND MORE ON THE, ON THE INTERSTATES AND PRIMARY ROADS.
UM, SO ANYTIME THAT YOU HAVE HIGHER SPEEDS, UH, YOU, YOU, YOUR CRASHES ARE USUALLY MORE SEVERE, SO.
AND, AND MY MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, IF SOMEONE SEES A POTHOLE AND WANTS TO DIRECTLY REPORT IT, WHAT NUMBER DO THEY 7 5 7 2 5 3 5 5 1 3 8 51.
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A REVIEW OF TAB LAKES ROADS, TAB LAKES, UM, AND, AND AS I RESPONDED, I THINK HIS NAME WAS MR. PATTERSON.IS THAT RIGHT? UM, SO IT IS ON SCHEDULE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PAVING SCHEDULE THAT ARE ADVERTISED IN NOVEMBER.
SO THEY'RE ON, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LOT CAN CHANGE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DEAL WITH A, A, A MOVING NUMBER FOR, FOR BUDGET AND FOR LANE MILE TARGETS AND, AND IT'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT THE TARGETS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT'LL BE NEXT SUMMER WORK.
NEXT 20, 24, 25, APRIL AND NOVEMBER WORK.
SO ROSS, THANKS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT GIVING US A READOUT ON WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST QUARTER.
UM, I WANNA FIRST LEAD OFF WITH SOME RECOGNITION.
I DON'T MEAN TO EMBARRASS THE MANDY'S HERE TONIGHT, BUT MR. RAWS OVER HERE HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR ORG STRUCTURE LOOKED LIKE, BUT WHOEVER HE REPORTS TO DOING A GREAT JOB, BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, BEEN RUNNING A LITTLE BIT RAGGED ON THINGS WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE BRANDYWINE, UM, DITCH REHABILITATION PROJECT BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THAT WORK AND THEY, AND THEY CALL, HEY, WHAT ABOUT MY DISH? I SAID, IT, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM AND BEEN EXPLAINING IT TO 'EM WHAT IT IS.
BUT HE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GETTING OUT THERE AND BEING RESPONSIVE FOLKS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WHEN DO YOU KNOW, RECALL WHEN Y'ALL CHANGED THE SPEED LIMIT ON 1 34? CAUGHT ME BY SURPRISE THE OTHER DAY.
UH, IT, IT WAS IN MY, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN MY LAST WHICH ONE? OKAY.
CORRELATE THAT I WENT THROUGH IT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME ACCIDENTS OUT THERE.
UM, I HAD COME DOWN THERE VERY OFTEN, BUT THEN I NOTICED THE OTHER DAY COMING BACK UP.
SO, UM, ONE THING I WANNA SHARE TOO, I'VE BEEN VISITING A LOT OF HOME PAST TWO, THREE MONTHS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT UP LITTLE BRIDGES ACROSS THE DITCHES TO GET TO THEIR MAILBOXES AND SO FORTH.
AND NOW THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT STRICTLY IN COMPLIANCE SINCE IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY AND SO FORTH, AN EASEMENT.
BUT THE SAME TIME, A LOT OF THE CASES, THOSE DITCHES ARE PRETTY WELL NEEDED DUE DUE TO THE DIP OF THE DITCHES IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE, IS RIGHT THERE.
SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT Y'ALL BE SENSITIVE TO THAT.
IS Y'ALL DOING SOME WORK AROUND THOSE AREAS? AND I HATE TO HAVE A HOMEOWNER COME OUT AND FIND THEIR NICE BRIDGE THEY PUT UP FOR YEARS SUDDENLY GONE.
IF IT CAN, IF IT CAN BE AVOIDED.
JUST I, I KNOW, AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THEM.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM TO DO SOME DITCHING AND STUFF, SO ANY DAMAGE WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UNDERSTAND.
I, I KNOW THAT TO, FOR ME TO GET TO THE HOUSE, I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A POLE VAULT TO GET OVER THIS
SO I'M, I'M HAPPY THE BRIDGE IS THERE TOO, SO I'M SURE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, WILL'S DONE SO MUCH WORK DOWN HERE.
NOW, WILL'S JOB IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OVER AT SEAFORD, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'LL JUST INTRODUCING, NOT EVERYBODY ADMIT, BUT MOST OF THE, MOST OF YOUR COUNTY IS WITHIN HIS SEAFORD AREA.
HE WORKS REALLY WELL WITH, UH, THE CITIZENS AND I'VE BEEN WITNESS TO SOME OF THIS, SO IT'S GREAT JOB.
NOW THERE'S UH, ONE, I HAVE ONE, ONE PET ROCK RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ON, UH, EAST YORKTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS A LITTLE PIECE OF YORKTOWN ROAD OFF OF VICTORY THAT RUNS INTO THE CITY OF POCOS.
AND IT, THERE'S A BOUNDARY THERE.
AND THOSE FOLKS, THOSE FOLKS ALWAYS SEEM TO BE FORGOTTEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT YORK COUNTY.
'CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, ON THE END, THE VERY END, LIKE THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, APPENDAGE BASICALLY OF THE COUNTY.
NOW THE ROAD, THE, NOT THE ROAD, BUT THE DITCHES THERE, I'VE BEEN DOWN TO THAT NIGHT, THERE WAS A, THAT WAS A ROAD.
THERE'S A DITCH I'VE ASKED YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND I THINK IT'S, UH, YEAH, 2 12, 2 14 AND TWO 18 EAST YORKTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS ALL ONE PIECE OF PRO UH, PROPERTY THERE.
AND IT HAS A CULVERT, BIG CULVERT THAT GOES UNDERNEATH EAST SHORE TOWN ROAD.
BUT THOSE HOUSES IN THE FRONT, THOSE HOUSES THERE, UM, THEY'RE, I LOOKED AT THE DITCH AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT LOOKS SOMETHING OUT, OUT OF A HORROR MOVIE.
I MEAN, IT'S EVERY BITS AND PIECES ALL GOING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
AND, UM, AND THAT, THAT'S, AND I WENT OVER AND LOOKED AT IT, IT AFTER A RAIN.
IT HAD BEEN A COUPLE DAYS AFTER A RAIN, AND THE PLACE WAS STILL, WATER WAS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S, THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
THE WAY THE DRIVEWAY RUNS WAY BACK INTO THE PROPERTY'S IS DAMMING IT UP.
BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DITCH.
AND THAT VDOT DITCH JUST DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A VDOT DITCH.
I DON'T, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE PIPE IS SUNK INTO THE GROUND WEIGHED DOWN IN THERE, BUT I JUST CAN'T, I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE SOME SECURE
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NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS DITCH.I KNOW YOU GUYS, UH, SOMEBODY SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO IN THERE AND BLOW OUT THE, THE CULVERTS THAT ARE CLOSE BY IT.
BUT THAT DITCH IS, UH, I JUST LIKE TO KIND OF SHOW THOSE PEOPLE SOME LOVE DOWN THERE.
WE'LL JUST LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, I CAN KIND OF JUMP TO THAT.
I DID MEET WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF AGO.
AND, UH, I KNOW THE, I KNOW THE DI I, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CULVERTS AND THEY'RE BLO THEY'RE PLUGGED UP.
BUT THAT THIS BIG DITCH, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A REAL DITCH.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING YOU'D FALL INTO, YOU NEVER KIND OF GET OUT OF.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN SHAPE 'EM UP.
GET MORE POSITIVE DRAINAGE IN HERE.
[2* Williamsburg Regional Library Discussion. ]
WE WILL GO TO SEE WHAT WE GOT.WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY DISCUSSION.
HEY WAYNE, YOU WANNA GET INTO MR. ROW? WE, WE GO THERE TOGETHER.
WHO'S GONNA DO THE REGIONAL LIBRARY? STEVE, I'M GONNA MAINLY DO IT.
SO, UM, COUPLE, COUPLE, UH, PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION.
Y'ALL RECALL AT OUR RETREAT LAST JANUARY, UH, IT WAS A TOPIC THAT CAME UP AND WE SENT Y ALL A FOLLOW UP MEMO KIND OF ASKING WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, IN A MEMO THAT WE SENT OUT ON FRIDAY.
AND TYPICALLY IT WOULD'VE GONE OUT IN THE WORK SESSION PACKAGE, BUT BECAUSE I WAS OUT, YOU DIDN'T GET IT OUT TILL FRIDAY.
IF EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A HARD COPY IN FRONT OF YOU.
THIS JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE LATEST SUMMARY OF WHAT IS GOING ON, UH, WITH THE WI WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY, THEIR PLANS TO EXPAND, UH, SORT OF THE ATTITUDE OF OUR REGIONAL NEIGHBORS,
AND, UH, I PROMISED, UH, WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD AND MY, UH, COLLEAGUES IN JAMES CITY AND WILLIAMSBURG THAT I WOULD BRING THIS ISSUE TO THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
THE QUE THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS, UH, WOULD YOUR COUNTY, UH, CONTEMPLATE SOME TYPE OF CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION, UH, FOR A NEW DOWNTOWN WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY? UM, I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.
I, UH, WELL THIS IS THE IDEA IS TO REALLY KIND OF SEE WHAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING.
UH, DO NOT NEED ANY KIND OF DEFINITIVE DECISION.
BUT I WOULD, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A SIGNAL OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL ARE, UH, PREPARED TO CONSIDER.
UM, RECALL THAT, UH, THERESA OVER THERE IS YOUR, UH, REPRESENTATIVE ON THE WILLIAMSBURG, UH, REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD.
AND OF COURSE WE HAVE KEVIN, OUR LIBRARY DIRECTOR HERE.
'CAUSE THIS IS A SUBJECT OF INTEREST TO HIM.
AND, UH, BRIAN, UH, FULLER, UH, HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT'S BEEN MOST ENGAGED WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY'S PLANNING PROCESS.
THEY ASKED YOUR COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE.
AND BRIAN, I WENT TO A COUPLE MEETINGS.
BRIAN WENT TO SEVERAL OTHER MEETINGS.
SO BETWEEN US, WE KIND OF HAVE THE STORY.
UH, WHAT THIS MEMO TELLS YOU IS THAT AFTER YEARS OF JAMES CITY AND WILLIAMSBURG TALKING ABOUT IT, THEY ARE SORT OF CLOSE TO DECIDING ON A PLAN OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO BUILD TWO NEW LIBRARIES.
THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE, UH, A NEW LIBRARY DOWNTOWN, BASICALLY NEAR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT ONE.
AND THAT AT A LATER TIME, A SECOND LIBRARY SOMEWHERE IN JAMES CITY COUNTY AT A SITE TO BE DETERMINED.
MOST OF THE DISCUSSION AND FOCUS AND TALK ABOUT MONEY HAD TO DO WITH THE WILLIAMSBURG ONE, WHICH IS MORE IMMEDIATE.
UM, AND FOR REALLY THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND MY ATTITUDE HAS ALWAYS BEEN YOUR COUNTY IS THE JUNIOR PARTNER.
AND, UH, YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT JAMES CITY COUNTY AND WILLIAMSBURG ARE PREPARED TO DO BEFORE WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE MIGHT DO.
SO, UH, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS, I WOULD SAY, UH, THEY'VE KIND OF COME CLOSE TO HAVING CLOSURE ABOUT WHAT JAMES CITY COUNTY WOULD CONTRIBUTE AND WHAT, UH, WILLIAMSBURG WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THIS FIRST NEW PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE A COMPLETE NEW MAJOR LIBRARY IN DOWNTOWN WILLIAMSBURG.
REPLACED IT COULD BE A REPLACEMENT.
AND SO, UH, MEMBERS OF THE REGIONAL LIBRARY BOARD, THEIR, UH, KEVIN'S COUNTERPART, UM, UH, BETSY, WHO'S THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR UP THERE, AS WELL AS,
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UH, PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENTS OF WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY HAVE SAID, UH, WOOD, YOUR COUNTY, BE PREPARED TO CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY.AND, YOU KNOW, IF SO UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS.
AND SO, UH, WE PRO BRIAN AND I PROMISED THAT WE WOULD, UH, HAVE A WORK SESSION AND SORT OF PUT THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU AND SORT OF TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS THINGS WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, IF I MAY EDITORIALIZE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND AS MY MEMO SAID, I'VE KIND OF GOT MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT W R L HAS A NICE LIBRARY SYSTEM AND THAT MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ENJOY USING IT.
AND SO THE STATUS QUO ARRANGEMENT IS BY FORMULA WE CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR OPERATING BUDGET AND WE HAVE NO CAPITAL COMMITMENT.
AND, UH, SO IF NOBODY DOES ANYTHING, IF NOTHING CHANGES, MY PRESUMPTION WOULD BE WE CONTINUE WITH THAT HISTORIC ARRANGEMENT.
IT GOES BACK AT LEAST TILL THE MID EIGHTIES.
AND, UH, KEVIN WAS TELLING ME BASED ON SOME RESEARCH HE'D DONE THAT ACTUALLY SOME CONTRIBUTION FROM YORK COUNTY ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO THE, TO THE MID SEVENTIES OF A MORE INFORMAL TYPE.
UH, THAT GROUP HEARD FROM BRIAN AND I SOME OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, ANY KIND OF CAPITAL COMMITMENT.
UH, AND, AND THIS WAS IN THE MEMO AFTER, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE RETREAT.
UH, THE FIRST ISSUE IS ALL THE OTHER LIBRARY SYSTEMS ON THE PENINSULA ARE FREELY AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, OUR CITIZENS GO TO PCOS LIBRARY, NEWPORT NEWS RESIDENTS COME TO OUR LIBRARY, WE CAN GO TO HAMPTON LIBRARIES.
UH, BUT THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY, UH, CHARGES FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS GOING THERE.
AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW THAT EVOLVED BECAUSE THE ECONOMICS OF YOUR COUNTY BUILDING A SIGNIFICANT LIBRARY AND OPERATING IN THE NORTH COUNTY WAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
AND EVEN WITH THE 800 AND SOME THOUSAND WE'RE PAYING NOW, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD AND OPERATE A THIRD LIBRARY.
HOWEVER, THE FORMULA THAT WE INHERITED, UH, IT'S REALLY SORT OF COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL MM-HMM.
AND SO THIS PAST YEAR OUR BILL WENT UP SUBSTANTIALLY FOR A BUNCH OF REASONS HAVING TO DO WITH THEIR STAFFING AND JAMES CITY COUNTY'S PAY PLAN.
SO ONE IDEA I THREW OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS PERHAPS YOUR COUNTY WOULD BE MORE OPEN TO A CAPITAL INVESTMENT IF WE COULD PUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNOR ON THE GROWTH IN OUR OPERATING COSTS.
AND THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF WAYS YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT.
UH, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
UM, IN MOST YEARS, OUR OPERATING CONTRIBUTION TO THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY IN PERCENTAGE TERMS GOES UP MORE THAN THE OPERATING BUDGET OF OUR OWN LIBRARY SYSTEM.
SO ONE APPROACH COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION AS A JUNIOR PARTNER A LESSER AMOUNT THAN THE OTHERS IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME RELIEF OR CHANGE IN THE FORMULA ON THE OPERATING SIDE.
FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE WE COULD SAY WE DON'T WANT OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE W R L TO GO UP IN PERCENTAGE TERMS ANYMORE MORE THAN OUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR OWN LIBRARY SYSTEM GOES UP.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE IDEA I THREW OUT.
UM, AND WE HAVE ALSO SAID, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SUPPORT A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION IF YOU COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STOP CHARGING PEOPLE FOR USING THE LO YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY LIKE ALL THE OTHER LIBRARIES ON THE PENINSULA.
OF COURSE THE PRACTICAL PROBLEM FOR THAT FOR THE W R L IS THEY'RE PRETTY DEPENDENT ON OUR $800,000 A YEAR.
AND SO IF WE JUST TOOK THAT AWAY, THAT'S A LOT FOR THEM TO REPLACE.
SO A COUPLE OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SORT
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OF PROS AND CONS OF THIS DISCUSSION ARE, UM, I THINK EVERYONE WOULD AGREE THEY HAVE AN EXCELLENT LIBRARY SYSTEM.KEVIN WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THEY HAVE AN EXCELLENT LIBRARY SYSTEM AS THE MEMOS WE SENT OUT, UH, SHOW, UM, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES PER CAPITA AND THE EXPENDITURES PER CAPITA, UH, THE W R L SPENDS MONEY ON LIBRARIES AT A SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER LEVEL THAN WE DO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DISCOMFORT FROM, FROM OUR SIDE OF SAYING, WELL, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO CAPITAL AS WELL WHEN WE RUN TWO LIBRARIES FOR ABOUT 60% OF THE COST OF THE TWO LIBRARIES THEY RUN.
AND WE HAVE NO SAY OTHER THAN THERESA'S LOAN VOTE AND YOU KNOW, THEIR BUDGET AND HOW ALL THAT WORKS.
AND IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY YOU'RE NOT THE CONTROLLING INFLUENCE ON THE BOARD.
SO, UM, SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT, UH, WILLIAMSBURG, UH, PLANS AND BUILDS VERY NICE PUBLIC FACILITIES.
UM, WE JUST FINISHED A $4 MILLION FIRE STATION AND THEY'RE NEARING COMPLETION OF A $20 MILLION FIRE STATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WORLD.
SO HOW DO YOU PROCESS ALL THAT? UM, AND I'M REALLY JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR Y'ALL'S INPUT ON IT.
UH, MY OWN HOPE WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD GIVE ME A LITTLE MANEUVERING ROOM TO NEGOTIATE OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SORT OF EXPLORE SOMETHING LIKE SOME TYPE OF CAP OR SLOWED GROWTH ON THE OPERATING SIDE IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME TYPE OF CAPITAL CONTINUATION.
SO NEIL, HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY 16% CHUNK IN ONE YEAR? WELL, THERE IS A PARTICULAR STORY BEHIND THAT.
UM, THERESA PROBABLY WOULD KNOW IT BETTER THAN ME.
PART OF IT HAD TO DO WITH COVID AND THEY, AND THEY SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN FOR A WHILE AND THEY USED SOME, SOME FEDERAL MONEY AND STUFF AND THEN THEY SORT OF GOT BACK ON A NORMAL GROWTH RATE.
AND SO THERE WAS A, AT LEAST A ONE YEAR VERY LARGE SPIKE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERY YEAR IT'S GONNA GO UP LIKE IT DID THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS YEAR IT WENT UP A LOT.
I MEAN, PROPORTIONATE TO $2,000 CONTRIBUTION BASICALLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT THIS LOOK LIKE? AS YOU ALL KNOW, EVERY FALL WE PREPARE A SIX YEAR C I P AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, DOES THIS, IS THIS BODY INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING, UM, SOME CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION, UH, TO THAT LIBRARY? AND IF SO, DO YOU HAVE ANY DIRECTION FOR ME ON WHAT OUR NEGOTIATING POSTURE OUGHT TO BE? ONE OTHER THING TO ADD, AND THEN I'VE SAID ALL I'M GONNA SAY, UM, 60 DAYS AGO, THIS APPEARED TO BE ALL BUTTONED UP AS FAR AS JAMES CITY AND WILLIAMSBURG.
JAMES CITY SAID, WE'RE PREPARED TO INVEST 10 MILLION IN THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY.
WILLIAMSBURG HAD THE OTHER CAPITAL MONEY.
AND THEN I'M SURE YOU'VE READ, UH, THEY'VE NOW, UH, GOTTEN INTO THIS DISPUTE ABOUT WHETHER THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS GONNA BE DIVIDED.
AND SO IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY THAT, UM, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXPECT US TO HAVE A, A QUICK GUESS NO ANSWER RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL TALKING.
UH, BUT FOR OUR PLANNING PURPOSES OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, I KIND OF NEED TO GET THIS BOARD'S INPUT ON THAT BASIC QUESTION.
ARE THERE, IF, ARE THERE ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH YOU WOULD SUPPORT A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION? UH, AND IF SO, WHAT MIGHT THIS, UM, PARAMETERS BE? BRIAN, IS THAT, I THINK YOU HIT IT ALL.
SO, UM, YEAH, MR. MORGAN QUESTION, YOU SAID THAT THERESA WAS OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
YOU INDICATED WE ARE A JUNIOR PARTNER.
WHY ARE WE NOT, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE FULL REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD? FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE ARE 10 MEMBERS, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE AT LEAST AS MANY AS JAMES CITY OR WILLIAMSBURG IF WE ARE A PAR TRUE PARTNERS IN THIS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S SOME HISTORY.
UH, I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS, UH, SINCE UNDER THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT, WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO CONTRIBUTE CAPITAL.
RIGHT? UH, THE, THE DEAL IS, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE SOME MONEY FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET BASED ON, UH, SOME TYPE OF USE METRIC.
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UH, BUT SINCE YOU HAVE NO CAPITAL OBLIGATION, YOU ARE NOT AN EQUAL PARTNER.I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY HOW SO PART OF GO BACK, WE CAN GO BACK TO HISTORY.
EVEN WAIT 10 YEARS I WAS SITTING HERE, WE ONLY WENT BACK 10 YEARS.
WE CAN GO BACK 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT, WHEN IS FIGHT, WE HAD BIG FIGHT ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GONNA GIVE 'EM ANY MONEY AT ALL.
UM, I MEAN THE IDEA IS WE'VE GOT CITIZENS UP THERE THAT THEY NEED TO GO TO THE LIBRARY.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME RELATIVES THAT, UH, WANT US TO HELP BUY A CADILLAC WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE RIDING AROUND IN HONDAS.
YOU KNOW, I'M SERIOUSLY, WE GOT, WE GOT, WE GOT GREAT LIBRARIES, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THE, THE TAJ MAHAL OF LIBRARIES.
I BELIEVE WE NEED EQUAL REPRESENTATION ON A BOARD IF WE ARE.
WELL, MY SENSE IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL, THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO THAT UNLESS WE'RE GONNA GIVE $20 MILLION.
WELL, I DON'T, I MEAN THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, WELL, I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE GAME HERE.
'CAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE UNIQUE IN A, IN A, UH, IN OUR COUNTY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THIS HUGE GAP BETWEEN ONE END AND THE OTHER.
AND THAT ONE END IS ONLY REPRESENTED BASICALLY AS 25% OF THE COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING DOWN HERE DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP THERE TO USE THE LIBRARY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE UP THERE DRIVING ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE TO USE THE LIBRARY.
THAT WAS THE BASIC, THE BASIC POINT OF WHY WE FELT THAT THE FOLKS NEEDED A LIBRARY.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER CLEARLY IS THAT EVEN WITH OUR CONTRIBUTION, OUR CITIZENS WERE SECOND GREAT SECOND RATE CITIZENS, WE WERE NOT GIVEN FULL ACCESS.
WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ALLOW THE SAME NUMBER OF BOOKS.
THEY WERE KIND OF, THEY WERE JUST BEING D***S ABOUT IT.
AND I PERSONALLY NOT GONNA LIVE WITH THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA TREAT OUR CITIZENS UP.
THEY'RE GONNA TREAT OUR CITIZENS.
IF WE WANT US TO CONTINUE TO DO BE, YOU KNOW, BE PART OF THEIR SYSTEM.
IF YOU DON'T MIND I THROW SOMETHING UP.
KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DON'T WANNA CAUSE THIS PROBLEM, SHEILA AND I WERE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE THAT, THAT EXISTED.
HERE IN YORK COUNTY WHEN THE, SOMETHING CAME UP, HOW MANY LIBRARIES ARE IN THE BUILD? AND AFTER ALL SORTS OF MACHINATIONS INVOLVED WITH THE CITIZENS SO FORTH, WE AGREED, WE COLLECTIVELY AGREED THAT THE PRIMARY LIBRARY CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE BRAND NEW LIBRARY THAT WE HAVE DOWN AT YORKTOWN.
WHY BUILD ANOTHER BRAND NEW LIBRARY UP HERE WHEN WILLIAMSBURG HAD A CADILLAC? I REMEMBER THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT WAS WHY, WHY BUILD ANOTHER LIBRARY IF IN FACT THE AVAILABLE LIBRARY WITH AS, AS STATE OF THE ART THAT IT WAS AT THE TIME WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE YORK COUNTY CITIZENS, THE UPPER COUNTY PRIMARILY, BUT REALLY ANY YORK COUNTY CITIZEN.
SO THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT'S UNRAVELED TO A POINT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WHO'S MAKING THE DECISIONS WITH RESPECT TO OUR ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION.
UH, I DON'T THINK WE GOT INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT ALL THAT MUCH AT THAT TIME, SHEILA, BUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT WAS WE DON'T COST EFFECTIVE.
IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO BUILD A NEW LIBRARY FOR THE UPPER COUNTY WHEN WE HAD THE, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A JEWEL, IF YOU WILL, WITH RESPECT TO WILLIAMSBURG AND ALL OF US WHO LIVE UP HERE, VERY HAPPY WITH THAT LIBRARY.
NOT TO MENTION THE ONE, THE THE SMALLER LIBRARY UP TO JAMES CITY COUNTY.
IF I RECALL IN THE, IN THE, THE DAY WE WERE, WE WERE REALLY DEBATING THIS.
THERE WERE, WE, UH, WE FOUND THAT, UH, AND AFTER THE COUPLE YEARS OF STILL, YOU KNOW, PAYING OUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, THERE WAS LIKE 5,900, UH, CITIZENS UP THERE WITH LIBRARY CARDS TO THAT LIBRARY.
WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OKAY, GREAT.
BUT IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A BIG BROUHAHA THAT DEVELOPED WHEN, WHEN THEY STARTED AGAIN WITH, YOU KNOW, WHO HOW MUCH CAN WE SQUEEZE OUT OF THE YORK COUNTY? THAT'S THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, HELP BUILD THIS, THIS, THIS CADILLAC OF A LIBRARY.
SO COULD I, COULD I THROW IN A COUPLE OTHER DATA POINTS? SO ONE OTHER THING THAT'S CHANGED SINCE ALL THOSE DISCUSSIONS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, THE GROWTH OF EBOOKS, WHICH, UM MM-HMM.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, UH, JOANNE, MY WIFE SOMETIMES GETS HER EBOOKS FROM WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY IF THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE A BOOK THAT KEVIN DOESN'T HAVE.
AND SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS CLEAN AS IT USED TO BE BECAUSE EBOOKS AREN'T, YOU KNOW, THE SAME.
AND, BUT, BUT THAT DOES PARTIALLY DRIVE THE NUMBERS THAT DRIVE THE FORMULA.
SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND IN TERMS OF THE WHAT SERVICES WE GET, UM, ONE OF THE OTHERS MIGHT KNOW BETTER, BUT THE, THE LIMITATION ON WHAT OUR CITIZENS CAN DO IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY ALL THAT MEANINGFUL.
IT'S LIKE WE CAN ONLY CHECK OUT 80%, KEVIN.
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TO THE HISTORY YOU WERE ASKING FOR US NOT BEING FULL PARTNERS, IT WAS, IT WAS A MATTER OF ECONOMICS.THESE PARTNERS WOULD COST US MORE.
SO AT THE TIME WE WERE, UM, HAPPY TO BE JUNIOR PARTNERS, HAPPY TO BE JUNIOR PARTNERS BECAUSE WE WON'T, WOULDN'T, ARE NOT OBLIGATED FOR VARIOUS THINGS.
BUT THE 80% PRIVILEGES, UM, HERE ARE THE EXAMPLES.
SO YORK OR WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY RESIDENTS CAN CHECK OUT FOUR ITEMS INCLUDING EBOOKS.
YORK RESIDENTS CAN CHECK OUT 32.
UM, THE NUMBER OF HOLDS YOU CAN PUT ON AN ITEM 20 FOR JAMES CITY WILLIAMSBURG, 16 FOR YORK, AND THE NUMBER OF INTERLIBRARY LOANS THEY CAN DO.
THREE, OUR CITIZENS CAN HAVE TWO.
SO IT'S REALLY IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, VERY MENIS.
BUT OTHERWISE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS CAN PARTICIPATE IN ALL OF THEIR PROGRAMS. BUT WHEN THIS ALL STARTED, IT WAS A VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION BY YOUR COUNTY IN RECOGNITION OF THE CITIZENS IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY THAT NEEDED LIBRARY SERVICES.
AND WE WORKED OUT, THERE WAS A FORMAL THAT WAS WORKED OUT, SO IT WAS EQUITABLE.
WHATEVER OUR CITIZENS GOT, WE WOULD GIVE THE SAME PERCENTAGE, WHATEVER IT WAS, TO REEDSBURG TO COVER THE PEOPLE IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY IF I'M CORRECT.
BUT THEN WE WERE TOLD LATER ON, THEY DICTATED TO US WHAT IT WOULD BE.
WE DID NOT, IT WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE DID THAT WAS EQUITABLE TO WHAT WE PAID FOR OUR LIBRARY SERVICES TO OUR OWN CITIZENS VERSUS WHAT WE PAID.
AND I THINK THAT, AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD TWO LIBRARIES HERE.
AND, AND REMEMBER, WE REMEMBER WHEN THE MARQUE WAS COMING IN AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PART OF THAT PLAN, IT HAD A LIBRARY FOR ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA THROW IN ANOTHER HALF A MILLION TO RUN THE PLACE SUPPLY IT.
AND IT WAS, BUT THE WHOLE BUDGET AT THAT TIME FOR OUR LIBRARIES WAS I THINK ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION MAX.
I THINK IF, IF IT WAS THAT MUCH.
SO THE POINT WAS THAT WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR LIBRARY SERVICES AT THIS END OF THE COUNTY FOR FOUR FIFTHS OF THE COUNTY? WE, WOULD IT BE EQUITABLE MADE SENSE? WE COULD PAY IT UP THERE AND MAYBE A LITTLE ADJUSTMENT BASED ON, ON, UM, BECAUSE THE UNIQUENESS OF THE LIBRARY AND BE, AND BE FRIENDS AND ALL THAT.
BUT THEN IT JUST GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY GOUGED HERE.
SO SO TO NOT, TO NOT GO TOTALLY OFF THE RAILS.
JUST A REMINDER, THE STATUS QUO ARRANGEMENT, I MEAN BY ANY BUDGETARY MEASURE IS STILL THE SMART THING TO DO, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE STILL, WELL, WE'RE DOWN DUMPING IN 200 MIL.
I MEAN 200,000 MORE BUCKS RIGHT? NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR WE'RE IN.
SO WE'LL JUST, WE JUST ADDED A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND, BUT MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THREE IF YOU WANT TO BUILD AND OPERATE ANOTHER LINE.
NOW ARE THEY TELLING US WE THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE OUR 800,000 NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I, I PROMISED THAT I WOULD BRING TO THIS BOARD THE QUESTION, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD YOU CONSIDER A CAPITAL INVESTMENT? AND WHAT I SAID WAS, WELL, IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD RECOMMEND LINKING IT TO SOME CHANGE IN THE OPERATING COST ARRANGEMENT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF CONTROL THE GROWTH OF THAT.
SO HOW ABOUT HOW THAT, THE EQUAL REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD? WELL, I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
HOW ABOUT THE FACT IF WE WOULD PUT IN A CAPITAL, IMPROVE A CONTRIBUTION AND THEN LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GIVE FOR THE OPERATING COSTS TO WHAT WE PAY FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE DOWN HERE? WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE ANGLES.
BIG QUESTION IS WHAT IS THIS, WHAT IS THE FIGURE FOR THE CAPITAL 35 MILLION I BELIEVE IS NO, I MEAN, OUR SHARE OH, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I MEAN, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE A FIGURE.
I, I THINK, UH, WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY WOULD BE PLEASED IF YORK COUNTY CAME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE 5 MILLION AND WITHIN THE NEXT, AND THEN FIVE YEARS AFTER THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL LIBRARY IN JAMES CITY COUNTY.
SO THE, PROBABLY THE EXPECTATION THEN WOULD BE ANOTHER CONTRIBUTION.
THEY WANT US TO, THEY WANT US TO COUGH UP $5 MILLION FOR A CAPITAL CAPITAL PROGRAM.
WELL, I MEAN, IN THE CITY, I MEAN, THAT IS, WELL, JAMES CITY COUNTY'S JUST COMMITTED 10.
WELL, THAT'S JAMES CITY COUNTY.
THEY, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY MAY, THEY'RE PRACTICALLY, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING THE WHOLE AREA UP HERE.
WELL, YOU ASKED WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
I MEAN, THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT BE HAPPY WITH SOME OTHER, SO WHATEVER WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE'RE GONNA DEAL.
NOW WALT WITH UH, $5 MILLION MORE, WHAT DID WE JUST PAY FOR IN THE LIBRARY? WHAT'S THE, WHAT WAS THE TOTAL CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION? ABOUT 9 MILLION.
IF YOU COUNT DESIGN ABOUT $9 MILLION.
AND THE DISCUSSION BACK 20 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS, WAS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO BUILD ANOTHER $20 MILLION LIBRARY UP HERE? WELL, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING AKIN A JEWEL.
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NOW WE ALL, WE KNEW DAMN WELL WAS GONNA COST US SOMETHING OR OTHER, I THINK DEPENDING ON WHO'S DUE TO NEGOTIATIONS, BRIAN OR WHOEVER.BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IF YOU DO THE ARITHMETIC TO THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT BUILDING A NEW LIBRARY FOR THE UPPER COUNTY.
I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
YOU TOLD NO, NOT EVEN ALLUDING TO IT.
BECAUSE NO, THE POINT IS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS JUST HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND ON, ON, ON LIBRARY SERVICES.
I MEAN, WHAT IS OUR BUDGET? WHAT IS OUR CURRENT BUDGET FOR OUR TWO LIBRARIES? $3.3 MILLION.
AND THEY GOTTA DO LIBRARY UP THERE.
PLUS THE $3 MILLION THAT ACCOUNTS THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE JAMES CITY COUNTY INCLUDES THAT TOO.
SO WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS HOW MUCH DO WE PAY PER CAPITA FOR OUR OWN CITIZENS'? A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
SO OURS IS, UM, THIS CURRENT YEAR IS $4 MILLION, BUT 800,000 OF THAT 4 MILLION IS FOR WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY.
SO THAT'S 3.2 MILLION IS FOR LIBRARIES.
SO THEIR BUDGET, OPERATIONAL COST OF YEAH, NOTHING CAPITAL.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD METRIC.
THEIR BUDGET'S 7.8 AND OURS IS 3.2.
AND WE BOTH OPERATE TWO LIBRARIES.
WHO'S THEY? BOYS REGIONAL LIBRARY.
THEIR BUDGET'S 7.89 FOR THEIR TWO LIBRARIES.
KEVIN, THE, THE NUMBERS IN THE MEMORANDUM HERE LOOKS, IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT, THERE ARE 7,100 YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT ARE CARD HOLDERS WHILE ARE WAITING FOR A REASONABLE LIBRARY.
AND THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 10,000 MONTHLY CIRCULATIONS, BOTH PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL MEDIA.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT'S YOUR COUNTY RESIDENCE? RIGHT.
OR, OR, OR CHECKING OUT, UH, 10,000 ITEMS PER MONTH.
SO, SO BASICALLY EACH OF THOSE CARD HOLDERS ARE VISITING ON AVERAGE, ON AVERAGE.
EACH OF THOSE CARDHOLDERS ARE VISITING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ONCE, ONCE PER MONTH.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VISITATION.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE UTILIZING IT.
ALL THOSE CARGO UTILIZE ON AVERAGE ONCE A MONTH.
SO, SO IT'S NOT, I'M SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T GO THERE AT ALL.
OTHER PEOPLE USE IT MULTIPLE ON AVERAGE.
UM, ONE THING I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS BETWEEN THE CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG AND YORK COUNTY, IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
CITY OF WILLIAMS, CITY OF WILLIAMSBURG BEING THE CITY, GET SOME FINANCIAL WINDFALL THAT WE USE YOUR AS YORK COUNTY DON'T GET OR HAVEN'T RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FOOTPRINT OF WILLIAMSBURG COMPARED TO THE FOOTPRINT OF YORK COUNTY, THINK ABOUT PROBABLY THE, THE, UH, THE, THE COVID FUNDING THAT THEY RECEIVED AS A CITY VERSUS WHAT WE RECEIVED AS COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ROUGHLY FIVE TIMES BIGGER.
SO WE, THAT, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE FACTORED INTO THE EQUATION WHEN THEY ASK HEY TO, TO CONTRIBUTE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A, A BETTER FINANCIAL WINDFALL FROM DIFFERENT FEDERAL PROGRAMS. AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE DID, PARTICULARLY DURING THE, THE, THE COVID ISSUE, UM, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT CONTINUES IN JUST NORMAL COURSE OF ACTION AS WELL.
JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A CITY AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE A COUNTY AND NOW THEY HAVE OTHER EXPENSES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, THEY MAINTAIN THEIR ROADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
MY GUT FEELING IS IF WE'RE GONNA DO A CAPITAL, I I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE DOING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND CERTAINLY MAINTAINING THE SAME OPERATING MODEL WE HAVE NOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE, IF WE DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THAT NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED.
I'M KIND OF FALLING BACK ON CAR METAPHOR.
IF I'M GONNA BUY THEM THE CADILLAC, I DON'T WANNA PUT GAS IN IT EVERY MONTH TOO.
THEY LET THEM TAKE CARE OF IT.
I'LL BUY THE CAR, LET THEM PUT THE GAS IN IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, MAY MAYBE WE HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT THERE TOO.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY OFFERS THAT WE WOULD TAKE THE $800,000 AND PUT IT INTO CAPITAL AND YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA KILL ME.
WELL, I MEAN BY, BY MY ROUGH MATH OVER THE PAST 13 YEARS, WE, WE'VE INVESTED $8 MILLION IN, YOU KNOW, OFF THAT OPERATING MODEL IN, INTO THEIR SYSTEM.
SO, SO I, I
I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD TRY TO DO, UM, SO, OKAY, SO IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, CHAD RAISED THE THING ABOUT GOVERNANCE.
SO WE COULD, WE COULD CONDITION ANYTHING MORE WE DO ON CAPITAL, BUT HAVING ANOTHER SEAT ON THE BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD CERTAINLY, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD REALLY OBJECT TOO MUCH TO DOING AWAY WITH, UH, SORT OF, IT'S ALMOST THE INSULTING LITTLE, WE GET A DIFFERENT DEAL.
'CAUSE I MEAN THAT DOESN'T AFFECT PEOPLE VERY MUCH.
UM, BUT I SORT OF THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
YOU, YOU CALL ME, YOU, YOU ACCUSE ME OF BEING AN INCREMENTALIST.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF WE THOUGHT IN TERMS OF
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TAMPING DOWN THE OPERATING CONTRIBUTION OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, HOWEVER, CHANGING THE FORMULA, TYING IT TO THE GROWTH IN OUR OWN LIBRARY BUDGET OR SOMETHING, BUDGET, AND THEN KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE DELTA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE SAVE ON THE OPERATING SIDE, SORT OF INCREMENTALLY PUTTING SOME IN ON THE CAPITAL SIDE.IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY, LET'S SAY THE NUMBER'S 3 MILLION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, NEXT YEAR HERE'S $3 MILLION.
YOU COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, 250,000 AND 400,000, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY KNEW THE MONEY WAS COMING OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT ALL AT ONCE.
SO TO ME, THAT'S THE, IF THERE'S A WAY TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT.
NOW, I BELIEVE IF WE GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, WE JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN OPERATING CONTRIBUTION AND THAT'S, WE JUST WANNA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, THEY'LL ACCEPT THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED IN, IN MY, NOW GOING ON EIGHT AND A HALF YEARS HERE, IS HOW MANY TIMES YORK IS THE QUIET, RELIABLE PARTNER.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE KIND OF PR THAT'S OUR BRAND.
YOU CAN COUNT ON US AND WE SAY SOMETHING, WE DO IT AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL OF THESE, WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF LIBRARIES.
WE HAVE ALL OF THESE INTERRELATIONSHIPS MM-HMM.
AND SO I I, I PERSONALLY HATE TO JUST SAY, HECK NO.
YOU KNOW, I, I'D LIKE THE GREEN LIGHT TO KIND OF EXPLORE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOME PARAMETERS.
IF, IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO EXPLORE
I MEAN THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, AIN'T CLEAR UP ALL THIS LOOSE CRAP AROUND THE END.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA, WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE ENOUGH REPRESENTATION ON THAT BOARD TO MAKE A, MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, THEY GOT 10 GUYS, 10 PEOPLE.
YEAH, MAN, WE GET 10, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T, IF WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE GIVING CITIZEN MONEY, THEN, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE A SEAT NO MATTER IF IT'S A DIAL.
I DON'T, CITIZEN, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THEM GOING, THEY'RE KIND OF GOING, BUT THEY HAVE A MAJORITY.
WHY BOTHER? WE'LL, A COUPLE SEATS, WE'LL GIVE 'EM, UH, WE'LL GIVE, WE'LL TAKE OFF SOME OF THE, THE WARTS OFF THIS AGREEMENT WE HAVE.
OH YEAH, SIR, GIVE US FIVE, $6 MILLION.
THAT'S NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, JUST DON'T GIMME A FEW TRINKETS HERE.
COME BACK AND TELL ME, TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU WANT.
SO I WOULD, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE WHAT, TAKE WHAT, UH, CHAD WAS TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY, LET'S GET SOME REPRESENTATION ON THERE.
MAYBE TWO, THREE, I DON'T KNOW.
JUST, JUST GIVE SOME REPRESENTATION, CLEAR UP ALL THIS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR CITIZENS AND OURS, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A FIGURE OKAY.
I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL DO, I'LL DO A COUPLE MILLION BUCKS IT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA, IT'S INSULT, IT'S INSULTING FOR US TO BE A PARTNER AND THEM TO SAY WE CAN ONLY CHECK OUT FOUR BOOKS A MONTH.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, IT'S INSULTING.
PUT US ON EQUAL PART OF WITH, BUT I MEAN, WE THEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA SPEND AT A CAPITAL PLAN.
I THINK THE, THE LIBRARY HAS VALUE AND I THINK THAT WE SURE SHOULD EXPLORE OUR PARTNERSHIP AND KEEPING THAT LIBRARY UP THERE.
I'M NOT GONNA GO PAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO PAY FOR CADILLAC.
AND I THINK BUY A WHEEL OR ANYTHING ON IT.
WE FOUGHT WARS OVER TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, TO RENEGOTIATE THE, UH, PAYMENT PER YEAR.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE, IT WELL THAT'S A DIFFERENT TWIST, BUT NO, THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT'S, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW YOUR FORMULA MM-HMM.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, THESE TYPES OF NEGOTIATIONS WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN TWO PARTIES ARE VERY STRANGE, TERRIBLE.
AND OF COURSE THEY WILL ALL WATCH THE VIDEO OF THIS MEETING AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTION YOU GAVE ME
AND SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR IS, UH, GO BACK AND SAY THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE WOULD MAKE A, A MODEST CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, WHICH IS SOME TAMPING DOWN OF THE GROWTH OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.
SOME ENHANCEMENT OF OUR SAY IN GOVERNANCE AND GETTING AWAY WITH THE KIND OF SILLY RESTRICTIONS THAT OUR PEOPLE DON'T GET THE SAME SERVICES AS OTHERS.
AND THEN IF THAT'S THE MESSAGE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER, UH, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY THEY WOULD LIKE FIVE, I SUSPECT THEY WOULD BE PLEASED IF WE CAME BACK AND SAID TWO AND A HALF
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OR THREE.I DON'T, I DON'T MIND, I DON'T MIND SPINNING THE MONEY UP THERE AS LONG AS THE REPRESENTATION AND, AND THE, THE FAIRNESS ACROSS THE COUNTY IS, IS STILL THERE.
AND I'M, I'M STILL KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY I'M STILL P****D ABOUT THE WAY THEY TREATED US WHEN WE FIRST STARTED.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BOARD UP THERE NOW, BUT DON'T COME BACK TRYING TO TREAT US LIKE, OH, THESE STUPID PEOPLE IN YORK COUNTY THAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS.
THAT'S THEN THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA REPRESENT OUR CITIZENS AND I THINK WE WILL, AND WE'LL BE NEIGHBORS AND WE'LL PARTICIPATE LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BALANCED WITH US AND WITH, WITH I GUESS SOME RESPECT AND HOW WE, UH, HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH STUFF BECAUSE CITIZENS UP THERE ARE GONNA GET, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US LIBRARY SERVICE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE ALL'S WHO WE ARE AND WE A POINT A POINT BILL.
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WHAT THE, THE, UH, DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT OUR CITIZENS CAN TAKE OUT AND THE OTHERS.
UH, I HAVE, I HAVE NOT HAD ONE COMPLAINT OF THE 10,000 OR SO PEOPLE WHO'VE GOT A CARD UP THERE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE BEING UNFAILING MET.
WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THE LIBRARY SERVICES THAT WE GET NOW.
AND, UH, IF WE CAN TIGHTEN IT UP, MAKE BETTER, FINE.
BUT THE POINT OF IT IS IT'S NOT DISRUPT WHOLE DAMN THING BECAUSE OF STATISTICS NUMBERS, WHICH MEAN NOTHING.
AND IT'S JUST, IT IS, IT'S JUST A SO DID YOU GOT ANYTHING? YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, WHAT I, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS SOME SENSE OF HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED.
AND I THINK, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE ARE GREEN-LIGHTED TO CONTINUE TALKING WITH W R L BOARD AND JAMES CITY AND WILLIAMSBURG OUR MESSAGES.
THERE'S SOME POSSIBILITY I COULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING IN THE C I P OF A ON A OF A MODEST SCALE.
UH, IF WE COULD SEE SOME LOVE WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS IN GOVERNANCE, HOW THE OPERATING COSTS ARE MANAGED AND UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF EQUAL ACCESS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND SORT OF TAKE THAT AS GENERAL GUIDANCE AND SEE WHETHER THAT'S GOT SOMEWHERE TO GO.
AND OUR CITIZENS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WE'RE SPENDING MONEY UP THERE IS TO BE FAIR, IS TO BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY.
THAT DISTRICT ONE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S UP THERE KIND OF BY ITSELF, IT'S STILL BEING, WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
THAT'S, THAT SEEMED KIND OF AN IMPORTANT WE, AND THE OPERATING, THE OPERATING COST THAT, THAT METHODOLOGY, THE ALGORITHM BEING USED FOR THAT NEEDS ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE HAVING A 17% JUMP AND I'VE, I'VE LOOKED OVER THE PAST 13 YEARS, THE 6% FOR A FEW YEARS, THEN ZERO, THEN EIGHT, THEN ZERO, ZERO THEN SIX, THEN SIX, THEN NOTHING, THEN FIVE, THEN TWO, NOW 17.
THAT ALGORITHM NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED SO IT GETS, IT IS MUCH MORE PREDICTABLE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE BIG JUMPS LIKE THAT.
IF I HAD A VENDOR COME TO ME AND SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, I'M GONNA INCREASE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR LICENSE FEE BY 17% AND WE'D PROBABLY BE TALKING ABOUT FINDING A NEW VENDOR IF YOU CAN DO THAT TO ME.
SO, AND I THINK TOO, I THINK MS. SNO TALKED ABOUT TYING IT TO THE PERCENTAGE IN, IN OUR BUDGET.
THAT'S IS A GOOD, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY WORKABLE SOLUTION TOO.
AND THEY ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, NEED THIRD LIBRARY UP THERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AFTER THEY BUILD THE WEISSBURG LIBRARY, THEY KEEP JACKING UP THE COST, WHATEVER.
YES, YOU WILL END UP BUYING OUR, WE'LL BUY OUR OWN LIBRARY.
BUT I MEAN, NOT GONNA DO IT NOW.
WE'RE NOT THREATENING TO DO IT NOW, BUT THE POINT IS, THEY BETTER BE REASONABLE.
I MEAN, WE WE'RE WILLING TO BE REASONABLE PARTNERS AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT GIVES, THAT GIVES US SOME, UH, SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
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CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM THREE IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
FOUR IS A REQUEST FOR REFUND FOR DISABLED.
VET FIVE IS A ANOTHER REFUND OF PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, AND LET'S SEE, IS THERE ANYBODY WANNA PULL ANY, DISCUSS ANY OF THAT? OKAY, THEN, UH, I'LL MOVE, I'LL HAVE A MOTION FOR THE, THE MOVE OF THE CONSENT MOVE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO APPROVE, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.
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BUSINESS REPAIR SERVICES FOR THE RIVERWALK LANDING PARKING TERRACE.SO YOU ALL RECALL THAT WE RECENTLY, UH, FINISHED A, A MAJOR REHAB OF THAT, UH, AND IT'S THE POST TENSION METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT ELASTOMERIC COATING, YOU KNOW, BE MAINTAINED TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THAT.
AND ANNOYINGLY, WE'VE HAD SOME VANDALISM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DOING DONUTS AND STUFF AND TEARING UP THE COATING.
THE GOOD NEWS IS, UM, UH, OUR INSURANCE IS PAYING FOR THE REPAIR.
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WE WANT TO DO IS, IN ADDITION TO RESTORING EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST DID, WE WANT TO ADD SOME OTHER THINGS TO GREATLY REDUCE THE CHANCE OF THE VANDALISM OCCURRING IN THE FUTURE, INCLUDING SOME RUMBLE STRIPS, SOME, UM, UH, BUMPER BLOCKS AND, UH, GATE SO THAT AT OUR DISCRETION CONTROLLED FROM THE 9 1 1 CENTER.UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN NOBODY'S AROUND, WE CAN CLOSE THE GATE, KEEP PEOPLE OUT.
OH, SO IT'LL HAVE A GATE AT THE TOP? YES.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO USE BOTH THE INSURANCE FUNDS AND THIS INCREMENTAL 80,000 TO RESTORE THE WAY IT WAS AND SORT OF UP UPGRADE IT SO IT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE DAMAGED BY VANDALISM IN THE FUTURE.
WE KNOW WHO DID THIS VANDALISM? NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A CAMERA ON, ON THE PARKING GARAGE.
UH, WE DO, BUT IT DOESN'T COVER EVERY SINGLE, UM, SPACE.
AND AT LEAST THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THERE'S, THERE WERE MULTIPLE SITUATIONS AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF HARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS CAUSED BY WHAT, OKAY.
IT'D BE CHEAPER TO BUILD A, A, UM, BURNOUT PAD AND CHARGE PEOPLE $5 TO, TO USE IT AND SIGN A LIABILITY LABOR, UH, WAIVER.
AND IT'S A VERY CREATIVE IDEA.
LET'S PUT IT UP BY THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY.
JUST THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? OKAY.
IS THAT IT? ANYBODY? QUE OKAY.
FIRST OF ALL, HAS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT THERE? NO.
SO I WANNA NEED A MOTION ON I MOVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH ONE 10.
RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.
ROLL CALL MOTION MAY BY MRS. NOEL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH ONE 10 TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT FOR THE RIVERWALK LANDING PARKING TERRACE REPAIRS.
WHO'S, YOU GOT THE THING FOR THE CLOSED MEETING? OH, EXCUSE ME.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, THAT'S GO AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
UH, WALTER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, JUST ONE THING.
OUR FAVORITE SPRINGFIELD, UH, BEFORE
UH, YOU LET A CONTRACT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN, UH, PERFORMED TO A REPORT.
AND WE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS BOARD HAS NOT DISCUSSED IT DATE.
SO WHEN CAN WE DO THAT? UH, WELL IT'S YOUR PLEASURE.
I DID SHARE THE REPORT WITH EVERYBODY MM-HMM.
THAT'S A VERY SHORT VERSION, UHHUH, TO BUILD THE ALTERNATE ROAD.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WASN'T GONNA PROCEED WITH THAT WITHOUT THE BOARD'S DIRECTION.
MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT BY THE TIME YOU DESIGNED IT AND BUILT IT, THE PURPOSE FOR BUILDING IT WOULD NO LONGER EXIST BECAUSE OF THE, UH, IT WOULD'VE BE DONE.
SO, UM, I MEAN, IF THE BOARD IS PREPARED TO SPEND SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS RELATED TO THIS ISSUE, I, AS I'VE SAID IN A COUPLE OF REPORTS, I STILL THINK, YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO HELP EXTEND SEWER ON SPRINGFIELD ROAD AND WE PAVE THE ROAD AT THE END OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY COST LESS THAN THAT AND WOULD RESULT IN SOMETHING OF PERMANENT VALUE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
REPORT THEY, UH, THEY LOOKED AT IT FROM ALL ANGLES, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, CHAD, UH, QUESTION FOR MR. MORGAN, IF YOU COULD GET BACK TO US ON THIS.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN YORKTOWN AND WHAT THE CAPACITIES, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE.
UH, IF YOU COULD GIVE US IN A MEMO, UH, WHAT A THURSDAY NIGHT CROWD BRINGS DOWN TO YORKTOWN.
WHAT A HEAVY BEACH DAY, UH, BRINGS DOWN, UH, WHAT 4TH OF JULY BRINGS DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE RELATIVE TO SOME OF THOSE EVENTS.
SO AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SIGNED A MEMO TODAY THAT HAS THAT AND OTHER STUFF SORT OF Q AND A RELATED TO EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT.
SO THAT WILL BE TO YOU ON FRIDAY.
YOU SAID WHERE, WHERE IS THAT MEMO? YOU SAY, JUST SAY YOU PUT IT IN OUR, I'LL, I'LL PUT IT BACK ON FRIDAY.
UM, OUR FIRST HOPEFULLY ANNUAL CO FISHING TOURNAMENT IS COMING UP NEXT WEEKEND.
I DON'T,
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WE NO, IT WAS, I HAD IT UP AND I REBOOTED, SO I LOST EVERYTHING.JAMES SCRUGGS, CAPTAIN SCRUGGS.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING, DO WE HAVE ANY READOUT ON PARTICIPATION? PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR IT YET? I THINK I HAVE NOT HEARD.
I KNOW THEY DID OPEN, I DID SEE WHERE THEY'VE OPENED UP A SECOND WEIGHING STATION OPTION.
WE EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE
AND THAT RESULTED IN THE TEAM GETTING TOGETHER AND DEVISING THIS, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY ANNUAL KOBE A FISHING TOURNAMENT.
THE, THE FIFTH AND THE SIXTH IS COMING WEEKEND DOWN TO THE WATERFRONT AND KINDA EXCITED ABOUT IT BEING THE FIRST ONE.
I, I'LL BE DOWN THERE ON SATURDAY.
I THINK FOUR O'CLOCK IS THE FIRST WEIGH IN, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
ARE THOSE THE ONLY FISH THAT GONNA CATCH? WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WEIGH IN ON.
SO YOU'RE BEING SELECTIVE ON THE FISH.
SO IF WE COULD ASK BRIAN MAYBE TO FOLLOW UP ON REPORT WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, I BE, YEAH, I GUESS I, I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS.
I'M HOPE AND LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT.
UM, OUR NEW, UM, PUBLIC RELATIONS MAN, IS THAT THE RIGHT TITLE? PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
SO, UM, IT OCCURS TO ME, AND I'M LOOKING OVER SWING THE CHAIR AROUND.
I'M LOOKING NO, I'M LOOKING, ALL I CAN SEE IS, IS HERE
SO WHAT THE JUDGE DREAD MOVIE, ALL I CAN SEE IS THIS, UM, UM, IT OCCURS TO ME IS MR. CARROLL WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE PLANS THEY HAVE COMING UP.
UM, OUR CITIZENS ARE VERY INTERESTED IN ANY TYPE OF ROAD WORK ACTIVITY HAPPEN.
AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE A PORTAL ON THEIR WEBSITE TO KIND OF CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE LINE ITEMS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GO THERE AND SEE THAT, HEY, YORKTOWN ROAD WORK IS COMING UP AND A COUPLE YEARS TO HAVE A BIG PROJECT ON 17 AND SO FORTH.
JUST HIGH LEVEL, BUT JUST SOME BULLET POINTS THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE.
'CAUSE I GET ASKED A LOT, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THIS ROAD? WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? HEY IS SOME WORK? HA THAT WOULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE, I THINK, FOR PEOPLE.
SO JUST WANNA PUT THAT IN THE, IN YOUR SUGGESTION BOX AS LONG AS WE HAVE A CAVEAT THAT IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE BY DIESEL
BUT I, I, I THINK PEOPLE REALLY, REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT, SO THANK YOU.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY MANY TIMES HOW IMPORTANT VOLUNTEERISM IS HERE IN THE COUNTY, AND IT MAKES THIS PLACE SPECIAL.
WE GET A REPORT EVERY YEAR FROM THE YORK COUNTY CHURCH WOMAN UNITED TOOTH CLOSET.
AND I THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THAT FOR YOU THIS YEAR.
UH, FROM FEBRUARY, 2022 TO JANUARY OF 2023, THE, THEY TOOK IN $182,503 AND 73 CENTS.
AND THAT'S DONATIONS THAT THEY GET FROM CHURCHES, ORGANIZATIONS, GIFT CARDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THEIR EXPENSES WERE $160,904 AND 86 CENTS.
THAT'S BETWEEN YORK COUNTY AND PECOS.
AND THEY ASKED FOR IDENTIFICATION SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY LIVE THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF CLIENT VISITS PER WEEK, OR 125 PEOPLE, THEIR BIGGEST DAY THEY HAD 191 CLIENTS.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, WHAT THE BARGAIN IN BOX DOES AND WHAT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS DO FOR OUR CITIZENS, I I THINK IT'S REALLY VERY IMPORTANT.
AND FOR YOU, CITIZENS OUT THERE, IF YOU'RE ASKED FOR A CONTRIBUTION, THINK ABOUT IT AND PLEASE DO.
BECAUSE THEY DO SUCH WONDERFUL WORK.
AND I THINK OUR CITIZENS BENEFIT BY IT, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE NOT AS AFFLUENT AS OTHERS.
SO CONSIDER IT AND THE FOOD CLOSET, IF YOU DONATE FOOD DURING THE WINTER TIME, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY SO THAT YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UM, I GET PRETTY ENERGIZED, LIKE OVER THE LIBRARY AND, AND SOME OF THESE, UH, OTHER PROJECTS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THE REASON, BECAUSE AFTER 22 YEARS, SEEING HOW YOUR COUNTY OF TIMES, IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL CAN BE JUST KIND OF LED OFF, JUST KIND OF JUST DISREGARDED.
AND, UM, AND I'VE DONE THIS, I'VE SEEN THIS
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IN REGIONAL BOARD MEETINGS, UM, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION OR WE A P D C, UH, THE HR T MM-HMM.AND, UM, I GOT LIKE A ONE LINK CHAIN WHEN THEY START MESSING WITH YOUR COUNTY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
UH, IT COULD BE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE ROAD CAME TO I 64 WIDENING WAS COMING THROUGH, UM, COMING THROUGH PART OF YOUR COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY DO WOULD TALK ABOUT JAMES COUNTY, JAMES CITY COUNTY TALK ABOUT WILLIAMSBURG OR THEY TALK ABOUT, OR THEY TALK ABOUT NEWPORT NEWS AND HAMPTON AND YORK COUNTY WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN NEVER THOUGHT UNTIL I STARTED STEPPING ON TOES.
AND I'M GOING LIKE, YOU'RE COMING THROUGH OUR COUNTY.
AND THERE WAS IMPORTANT PARTS BECAUSE WE WERE COLLECTING TAX MONEY ON SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS BEING DONE IN YORK COUNTY.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, ALSO THINGS ABOUT YORK COUNTY, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT, LIKE, UH, UM, IF YOU HAVE A, A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, CATASTROPHIC EVENT OCCUR, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, NEWPORT NEWS IS GONNA DO THIS AND HAMPTON'S GONNA DO THIS AND VIRGINIA BEACH IS GONNA DO THIS.
WELL, A LOT OF THE CRAP, IF YOU WILL, THAT THEY NEED TO DO THE STUFF IN THEIR COUNTIES COMES OUTTA YOUR COUNTY.
A LOT OF OUR FIRE STATIONS AND STUFF ALONG THE, ALL ALONG THAT ROAD AND THAT STRETCH, UH, THE RECOVERY CENTERS ARE IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND, UM, AND SO I GET PRETTY ENERGIZED ON IT WHEN THEY DO THAT.
AND, UH, SO YOU SEE ME LIKE I'M GETTING, IT DOESN'T TAKE ME MUCH.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH, MAN.
YOU START, YOU START, YOU START TREATING THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY, LIKE SECOND, SECOND RATE CITIZENS, I'M GONNA BE IN YOUR CHILE BECAUSE IT JUST AIN'T HAPPENING.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA BEACH KNOWS WHO I AM AND CHESAPEAKE AND SURREY AND ALL THAT BECAUSE ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS CROSS ME ONCE AND THEN THEY WON'T DO IT AGAIN.
IT'S THAT WE ALL THE SUPERVISORS, AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU FEEL EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
WE'RE ALL MOVING AROUND AND DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIPS AND UNDERSTANDINGS AND WE HAVE GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR CITIZENS LIKE AND WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE.
AND, UM, SO I'M VERY, I'M VERY PROUD AND PLEASED OF AND SERVE IN OUR COUNTY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S, UH, SOME PLACE TO BE REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF.
AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE IT STAYS THAT WAY.
NOW, ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, VERY SIMILAR TO THAT, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS CRUISE SHIP THING AND I KNOW THE FOLKS HERE IN UM, THE VILLAGE ARE VERY, ARE VERY VOCAL AND VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF MISSIVE INFORMATION AND A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GONNA TAKE PLACE.
AND FIRST AND FOREMOST ON THIS CRUISE SHIP, UH, AS PRINCESS CRUISE SHIP, UM, WE HAVE NO BEST I COULD TELL SERIOUS, I'M GONNA SAY SERIOUS JURISDICTIONAL AUTHORITY OVER THIS VISIT.
WE HAVE, WE CAN SAY TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, CRUISE LINE, YOU CAN'T COME AND DOCK ON OUR PIER WHILE THEY JUST GO OVER THERE TO THE WATERMAN'S MUSEUM AND THEY CAN, UH, UNLOAD THEIR, THEIR RESIDENT OR THEIR PASSENGERS THERE.
AND WE HAVE NO SAY IN WHATSOEVER.
UH, IF WE TRY TO BLOCK, AND I'M TALKING FROM TO OUR ATTORNEY, IF WE WE STOP THEIR USE OF THE DOCKS, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO STOP USE OF THE DOCKS BY EVERYBODY.
AND THERE'S OTHER CREWS LINES THAT ACTUALLY COME HERE AND DOCK, UH, RIGHT ON THE, I THINK IT'S THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE COME AND DOCK RIGHT ON OUR DOCKS AND, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE SIZE.
NOW STEVE AND I WENT OVER AND VISITED, UM, THE, UH, WE WERE INVITED BY UM, UH, JOHN PAGEANT, I GUESS HIS RIGHTS NAME, JP, UM, HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE, OF THE CRUISE LINE AND, UM, INVITED US TO COME OVER 'CAUSE WE'D HEARD A LOT OF STUFF AND WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
'CAUSE ESPECIALLY POLLUTION, UH, THAT WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH ALL THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, WHO WOULD SWARM INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY HERE IN, IN THE PROBLEMS IT WOULD HAVE.
UH, THEY TOOK US FROM TOP TO BOTTOM ON THAT SHIP.
THEY SHOWED US HOW THEY RECYCLED, HOW THEY DID.
I MEAN, EVEN DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SH THEY WERE TELLING US AND SHOWING US WHERE THEY SHUT OFF VALVES.
SO WHEN YOU COME INTO A PORT, THERE IS NOTHING COMING OFF THAT SHIP.
AND DOWN TO THE POINT, WHICH I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH, THAT THE COMPUTERIZED SYSTEMS THAT THEY USE, THAT THEY CAN TAKE THE AMOUNT OF FOOD, THEY KNOW HOW MUCH IT WEIGHS COMING ON.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FIGURE OUT THE WEIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE, BUT THEY GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT THAT EVEN TO THE WASTE, THEY KNOW PLUS OR MINUS WHAT'S GOING IN, IF ANY OF IT'S MISSING, THEN THEY GOT A PROBLEM, AN INVESTIGATION.
AND THEY HAD A THING ABOUT WHERE THE, UH, CAMERAS UP ON THE, THE BRIDGE LOOKING RIGHT DOWN, RIGHT AT THE, THE SMOKESTACK.
AND THEY LOOKED FOR ANYTHING COMING OUT OF THERE.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEY HAD, UH, THEY HAVE SOME REALLY PROPRIETARY CLEANING, UH, SYSTEMS SCRUBBERS, IF YOU WILL, THAT TAKE THE PARTICULATE MATTER OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CHIMNEY.
SO I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT.
THE, THE COURSE I, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'D EVER BEEN ON A CRUISE SHIP AND, AND SEEN THE INSIDE.
LIKE IT WAS VERY, IT WAS JUST VERY, VERY NICE.
UH, THEY, UM, THE ONE THEY SAID THAT'S COMING OVER HERE TO YORKTOWN IS GONNA HAVE ABOUT, UM, I THINK HE SAYS 2000 PASSENGERS AND THEY'RE GONNA
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BE PARKED AND THEY COME IN, THEY'LL COME IN IN, IN THE, UH, NIGHT, BE READY IN THE MORNING ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.AND UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKED A MILE AND A HALF OFF THE, OFF OUR COAST HERE, OFF THE SHORE HERE, OVER TOWARDS GLOUCESTER.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN GOING THROUGH THE TUNNEL OR THROUGH THE BRIDGE.
SO THEY'LL BE THE BIG SHIP, YOU'LL SEE IT, IT'LL BE WAY OUT THERE.
UM, THEY, THEY'LL RUN ABOUT FOUR TENDERS IS WHAT THEY'RE HAVING.
AND WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL GO, THEY'LL TAKE ABOUT 50 PASSENGERS AT A TIME.
UM, AND THEY'LL DO IT IN A MATTER THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUM RUSH THE DOCKS.
THEY'LL JUST BRING 'EM UP HERE AND UNLOAD 'EM.
ONCE THEY'RE UNLOADED, THEN THEY'LL LEAVE.
SO IT'LL BE JUST A CHAIN OF THESE, OF THESE TENDERS, FOUR OF 'EM JUST MOVING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE DISTANCE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS IN GREAT DEPTH ABOUT THE BUSES.
I HEARD THERE'S A STAGING AREA FOR THE BUSES, SO THEY WON'T HAVE 'EM ALL DOWN HERE.
I THINK THAT THEY SAID IT WOULD BE OVER AT THE, UH, THE WELCOME CENTER.
AND SO THE BUSES WILL COME IN, UH, YOU'LL PICK UP THEIR 50 PASSENGERS AND, AND THEN GO WHEREVER THEY'RE GONNA GO ON A TOUR.
OF THE 2000 PASSENGERS, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, UM, ABOUT HALF, HALF OF THEM WILL GET OFF THE BOAT.
SO YOU'LL END UP WITH ABOUT A A THOUSAND THAT WILL COME ASHORE.
UM, TWO THIRDS, BASICALLY WE WILL GET ON A BUS AND GO SOMEWHERE.
THAT LEAVES ABOUT A THIRD OF THE THOUSAND THAT WILL STAY HERE IN YORKTOWN AND VISIT THE BATTLEFIELD AND, UH, THE VILLAGE.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK SOMEBODY TALKED ABOUT THE THURSDAY NIGHT CROWD, I HEARD, UH, I THINK, UH, BRIAN SAID THERE WAS SOMEWHERE A LITTLE OVER 3000 TO 4,000 PEOPLE HERE IN THE VILLAGE FOR THE CONCERT, AND THEY BROUGHT CARS, RIGHT? AND SO THEY WERE, WERE HERE WITH CARS AND THEY HANDLED IT.
THEY SHOWED UP, EVERYBODY'S PARKED EVERYWHERE.
EVERYBODY ENJOYED THEMSELVES AND THEN THEY LEFT.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT, UH, THE, UH, RIGHT NOW THE, THE VEST, THE, THE CRUISE SHIP'S GONNA CAUSE THAT KIND OF PROBLEM WITH, UH, WITH VISITORS COMING HERE.
AND IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET EDUCATED ON AMERICAN HISTORY RIGHT UP FRONT.
AND UH, AND THEN IT DOES DOES SOME, THEY COME HERE AND SPEND SOME MONEY, THEN THEY WILL, AND THEN THEY LEAVE BECAUSE THEY'LL BE GONE, THEIR BOAT.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GONNA LOAD UP AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND BE GONE.
NOW THERE'S GONNA BE A INVITATION, A INVITATION ONLY BRIEFING, BASICALLY A PRESENTATION.
THAT'S, AND IT'S THE CRUISE SHIP'S BUSINESS COUNTY IS JUST KIND OF HELPING 'EM MAYBE SET UP WHEREVER THEY'RE GONNA DO IT.
AND I THINK I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ANY MORE OF THAT BECAUSE UH, THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT, IT'S THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, I THOUGHT, VERY INTERESTING TO GO ON THAT AND SEE HOW THE SHIP WAS OPERATING AND, UH, THE SECURITY.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY THAT? WELL, I'M SAYING YOU AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DURING THE COURSE OF THAT DAY SPEAKING WITH JOHN PAGEANT AND THEIR SUSTAINABILITY OF BA JEFF CORWIN ABOUT, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, SOME OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, ARTIFACTS IN, IN THE RIVER, THE, THE SHIPS THAT ARE SUNKEN OUT THERE.
WE HAD, UM, ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE WATERMAN MUSEUM TALK ABOUT THAT, GONNA WORK WITH THEM TO GIVE THEM PLACEMENT OF THAT SO THAT THEY COULD BE MINDFUL OF IT.
I KNOW THE ANCHORAGE THAT THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO USE WERE, WAS SET ASIDE BY THE COAST GUARDS.
SO THE COAST GUARD HAS SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA PLANT IN, IN THIS SPOT HERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S BE A MILE AND A HALF, TWO MILES OFF, OFF SHORE, SO IT'LL BE FAR ENOUGH OUT, UH, THE TENDERS, I THINK HOLD ABOUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
SO 50 SAID, THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING TO THE LADY, UM, AS WE WERE RIDING BACK TOO.
SO SHE WAS RUNNING SOME DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
BUT, BUT WHICH WE HAVE A, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A MANAGED NUMBER ON THE PIER AT EACH TIME, NOT 2000 PEOPLE.
AND, AND I KNOW THE TEAM HERE IS WORKING ON WAYS TO GET 'EM OFF THE PIER, SHOW 'EM SOME THINGS AND GET 'EM ON THEIR, ON THEIR WAY.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A VERY MANAGED PROCESS.
BUT LIKE, I WAS IMPRESSED TOO WITH THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL FOCUS THEY HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THAT CAMERA ON THE SMOKE STACK, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SHOWED US THAT, AND THEY, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY CAN PICK OUT IF THEY ARE PRODUCING MORE WATER VAPOR THAN, THAN WHAT THEY EXPECTED, THEY CAN GET SOMEBODY WORKING ON IT RIGHT AWAY.
IN FACT, MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THE SMOKE STACKS IS NOT SMOKE, IT'S, IT'S WATER, WATER VAPOR.
SO, UM, THEY, THEY SET ALL THE RIGHT THINGS.
THEY SEEM TO BE DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS.
IT'S GONNA BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY MAIN MAINTAIN THAT AND, YOU KNOW, BE MINDFUL OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE CONCERNED ABOUT HERE TOO.
BUT THEY, THEY SEEM TO BE COMPLETELY WILLING TO PARTNER WITH US TO DO ALL THAT.
SO IT'LL BE, WE TAKE CARE OF THE VILLAGE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THE VILLAGE IS NOT TOTALLY DISTURBED.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS A HISTORICAL AREA AND IT'S THE CITIZENS, UH, UH, SO THE CITIZENS, ALL THE COUNTY AND, AND THE PEOPLE WILL LEARN ABOUT AMERICA.
SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD.
AND THIS COULD BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
YOU HAVE A PHASE, A PILOT PHASE.
THIS, THIS IS A BRAND NEW PACKAGE FOR
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THEM.THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN AUDIENCE FOR IT.
AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, SO WE'RE GONNA WORK, JUST WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT AND, AND MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
SO, OKAY, SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND, AND TAKE US INTO CLOSED SECTION.
[CLOSED MEETING]
2.2 DASH 37 11 A1 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENING CLOSED MEETINGS TO CONCERN A PERSONNEL MATTER INVOLVING THE EMPLOYMENT OF INDIVIDUALS WITH BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
WE'LL MOVE IN THE CLOSED SESSION.