Jun 20, 2023 Board of Supervisors

I CALL, UH, PASTOR CLIFF BOWEN FROM THE COASTAL CHURCH.

COME FORWARD, PLEASE GIVE THE IMPLICATION.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR CHURCH, PLEASE.

YES, SIR.

UH, THANKS FOR HAVING US FOR YOUR KIND INVITATION.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, I'M CLIFF BOWEN.

I'M A LEAD PASTOR AT COASTAL CHURCH IN YORKTOWN, THAT'S LOCATED AT 1 0 1 VILLAGE AVENUE.

AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US, UM, OUR, OUR MISSION THERE IS TO DEVELOP AUTHENTIC FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST.

AND WE DO THAT THREE WAYS.

UH, WE CONNECT TO GOD AND EACH OTHER IN CORPORATE WORSHIP.

WE GROW IN OUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IN THE BIBLE THROUGH SMALL GROUPS AND SPIRITUAL FORMATION CLASSES, AND WE SERVE SIDE BY SIDE IN MISSION AND MINISTRY.

AND WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU AND, AND YOUR LISTENERS AND WATCH THOSE WATCHING US ON TV TONIGHT TO JOIN US ON SUNDAYS AT 8:00 AM 9:30 AM 11:00 AM AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME VISIT.

WITH THE PRESENTATION AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

SO THANKS AGAIN FOR INVITING US HERE.

I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY JUST READING SCRIPTURE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THIS IS FROM PROVERBS THREE, VERSES FIVE THROUGH SIX.

TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND DO NOT LEAN ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING IN ALL YOUR WAYS.

ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND HE WILL MAKE STRAIGHT YOUR PATHS.

LET'S PRAY.

FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT OFFERING OUR THANKS FOR BRINGING US, BRINGING US TOGETHER SAFELY.

SOMETIMES IT'S EASY TO FORGET THAT OUR SAFE, ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE IS A GRACE FROM YOU.

AS THIS MEETING PREPARES TO BEGIN, I ASK THAT YOU FILL OUR HEARTS WITH YOUR PRESENCE.

I PRAY FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THIS BOARD, THE COUNTY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF.

I PRAY FOR UNITY AMONG THEM.

AND MAY THEIR THOUGHTS BE LED BY YOU AND THEIR CONVERSATIONS BE INSPIRED BY YOU.

HELP THEM TO SEEK YOUR WILL AND OUTCOME AS THEY DISCUSS AND DEBATE THE ISSUES BEFORE THEM TONIGHT.

PLEASE GRANT THEM WISDOM IN TIMES OF UNCERTAINTY AND CLARITY, IN TIMES OF CONFUSION.

LEAD THEM TO ANSWERS AND SOLUTIONS THAT WILL HELP TO STRENGTHEN US AS A COUNTY AND A COMMUNITY.

FATHER, I ALSO ASK A SPECIAL BLESSING ON OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES WHO SERVE US SO WELL AND BE WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES AND PROTECT THEM AS THEY COURAGEOUSLY SERVE US IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

FOR IT IS IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON JESUS, I PRAY.

AMEN.

AND, UH, PASTOR BOWEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND YOUR CONGREGATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK CARE.

OKAY, IF EVERYONE PLEASE RISE FOR FUL ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN

[1* Employee Service Recognitions. Receive presentation from Mark Bellamy, Deputy County Administrator. ]

THANK YOU, MR. SHEPHERD.

UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE FOR YOU THE EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION, SERVICE RECOGNITION.

THIS PRESENTATION RECOGNIZES EMPLOYEES WHO ARE CELEBRATING SIGNIFICANT ANNIVERSARIES IN THEIR TENURE WITH THE COUNTY, STARTING WITH 20 YEARS.

WE'LL GO UP TO 35 IN INCREMENTS OF FIVE.

UH, TO BEGIN WITH, WE HAVE TIMMY WHARTON, WHO WORKS IN THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, TIMMY'S OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT, AND HE'S OUR FIRST 20 YEAR RECOGNITION.

SO WHEN HE'S NOT AT WORK, I CAN TELL YOU THAT TIMMY IS AN AVID DIVER AND BOATER AND, UH, HIS BROTHER USED TO WORK WITH HIM IN GENERAL SERVICES WHEN WE HAD GENERAL SERVICES.

LAURA BE IS ALSO A 20 YEAR EMPLOYEE.

UH, SHE IS THE CHIEF DEPUTY CLERK TO KRISTEN NELSON WHEN SHE'S ON HER OWN TIME.

SHE LIKES BEEKEEPING, ENJOYS BAKING AND GARDENING, AND SPENDING TIME WITH HER FAMILY.

ANOTHER 20 YEAR EMPLOYEE, ELAINE ABRAHAMSON.

SHE'S A LIBRARY ASSISTANT WITH MR. SMITH, WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

AND HE TELLS ME THAT SHE

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IS AN AVID TRAVELER AND ESPECIALLY ENJOYS, UH, EXPLORING EUROPE FOR 25 YEAR EMPLOYEES.

WE START WITH MARK FAN AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MARK'S THE AVID GOLFER.

IF YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED WITH HIM BEFORE, MR. SHEPARD, I THINK YOU'D, I THINK YOU'D APPRECIATE GOOD HIS PLAY.

MICHAEL CAMPBELL AND THE SHERIFF'S, I, EXCUSE ME, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UH, MICHAEL IS ALSO A GOLFER.

HE HANGS OUT WITH THE FAMILY AT THE POOL AND, UH, LIKES TO MAKE THE OCCASIONAL TRIP TO FLORIDA.

DAVID ROBINSON IS OUR NEXT 25 YEAR, UH, STAFF MEMBER.

DAVID WORKS IN THE UTILITIES DIVISION IN PUBLIC WORKS.

SO HE WORKS IN THE PUMP STATION.

AND I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT HE MAKES A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE WAY THE, OUR SEWER SYSTEM WORKS, .

HE DOES ALL THE ELECTRONIC CONTROLS AND THE MONITORING.

IT'S VERY PRECISE WORK.

AND, AND WE WOULD NOT BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY IF IT WAS NOT FOR HIM.

HE, HE DOES SOME GREAT WORK UP NEXT 30 YEAR EMPLOYEES.

YOU MAY RECOGNIZE, UH, SAM, SAM KEFFER.

IS A 30 YEAR EMPLOYEE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY COMMON FOR US TO GET COMPLIMENTS ABOUT THE WAY YORKTOWN LOOKS, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPING FLOWERS.

, THE WAY THE GRASS IS MANICURED SAM'S YOUR MAN, HE IS THE GUY WITH, ALONG WITH HIS TEAM THAT MAKES IT ALL HAPPEN.

SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT SAM DOES.

AND, UH, WHEN HE'S NOT WORKING DOWN HERE FOR YOU, HE IS A RABID OHIO STATE FOOTBALL FAN.

SORRY.

SORRY, MR. GREEN.

YEAH, IT DOES HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY.

IT DOES.

AND FOR 35 YEARS.

AND, AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT I HAVE.

THIS IS TERRY METTER.

TERRY WORKS IN THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, AND SHE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN HERE FOR 35 YEARS.

SHE HAS A TWO YEAR OLD GRANDSON THAT SHE LIKES TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH, AND SHE DOES HER VACATIONING IN DISNEY THAT SHE'S VERY FOND OF.

SO SHE MAKES SEVERAL TRIPS DOWN THERE WHENEVER SHE CAN.

SIR, THAT, UH, IS THE PRESENTATION FOR EMPLOYEE RECOGNITION TONIGHT.

UH, SIGNIFICANT MILESTONES IN THE, UH, LIFE AND, UH, EMPLOYMENT.

AND IT'S, UH, SO WHAT MAKES NEW YORK COUNTY SUCH A GREAT PLACE? WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY ENJOY BEING HERE.

IF THEY DIDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE HANGING AROUND FOR 35 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, OR 25 YEARS OR 30 YEARS OR WHATEVER.

AND, UH, IT'S, THAT WAS FIRST THING THAT, UH, I REMEMBER WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD, UM, THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, OR NOT MEMBERS, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE HERE THAT HAD BEEN IN, ON THE COUNTY, UH, FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.

SO IT'S PART OF OUR FAMILY AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.

AND, UH, I WISH 'EM ALL THE BEST AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THEIR SERVICE.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, GOT THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? SEEING NONE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO, UH, THE CITIZEN,

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

UH, COMMENT PERIOD.

AND WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? OKAY, WE'VE GOT, OKAY, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND I'LL CALL OUT YOUR NAME AND THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY WERE RECEIVED.

UH, YOU GOT THREE MINUTES AND YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU, YOU COME UP TO THE, UH, MIC.

ON PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.

FIRST IS DOUG ROY.

DOUG ROY, 1 0 3, MARINA POINT, WAYNESBURG.

GREETINGS, MR. CHAIRMAN, SUPERVISORS, MY FAMOUS TOPIC.

LET'S TALK ABOUT PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.

UM, WE NOW HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FROM THE FIRST, UH, FIRST HALF OF THIS YEAR AND THE SECOND HALF OF LAST YEAR.

SO FOR THE TOTAL FISCAL YEAR, 2023, I'VE LEFT A SHEET IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, THAT SHOWS THE WORKSHOP NUMBERS BACK FROM JANUARY.

THERE WAS A QUESTION MARK IN THE 23 PROJECTED, UH, COLUMN.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NEXT PAGE.

WE HAD, UM, WE HAD $13,436,550 OF, UH, OF ASSIGNED COST IN DECEMBER.

BUT THAT WAS BEFORE THE THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR REBATE.

SO THE TOTAL WAS JUST A FRACTION UNDER 10 MILLION COLLECTED.

WE HAVE A TOTAL OF $11,798,616 IN THE JUNE INVOICES.

SO THAT TOTAL IS NOW $21,735,167.

AND THAT'S ALMOST, THAT'S 3.8 MILLION ABOVE THE PROJECTED BUDGET.

SO THAT'S THE SURPLUS.

WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT SURPLUS

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I SPOKE TO, YOU HAVE EVERY MONTH IN HERE FROM JANUARY THROUGH, UH, THROUGH MAY ABOUT NEEDING TO REDUCE THE, EITHER THE ASSESSMENT VALUE OR THE, UM, PROPERTY, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE, UH, DOWN TO THREE 20.

WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

NOW WE HAVE A TAX SURPLUS ISSUE, AND IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE AS WE GO INTO THE SECOND HALF OF THIS YEAR.

THAT NUMBER WILL CLIMB.

WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN THE ORDER OF 9 MILLION OF OVER COLLECTION ON PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE, WE EITHER GIVE A CREDIT AS WE DID LAST YEAR, OR WE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER SORT OF WAY TO GIVE MONEY BACK TO THE CITIZENS.

THIS IS JUST NOT FAIR TO BE COLLECTING THIS MUCH EXCESS CASH FROM THE CITIZENS FOR THE VALUE OF THEIR CARS.

I LIKED MR. ROHN'S IDEA.

DO WE DROP THE $25 DECAL OR CERTIFICATE TAX? YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE BUDGET NOW TO WIPE THAT OUT.

GIVE IT BACK.

PRESIDENT REAGAN SAID, MR. GORBACHEV, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL.

WELL, I'M SAYING, MR. SHEPARD, GIVE BACK THAT TAX.

URGE YOU TO ADOPT A CODE OF ETHICS FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UH, WHEN NEXT IS, UH, LEE KIRK.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK.

MY NAME IS LEE RICK AND I RESIDE AT 2 24 CHURCH STREET, NEW YORKTOWN.

I GREW UP IN THE COUNTY AND I MOVED BACK HERE 29 YEARS AGO.

SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE COUNTY IN THE WATERFRONT DISTRICT.

I OPPOSED THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE PRINCESS CRUISE SHIP, UH, COMING IN, IN ANY CRUISE LINE OF THAT SIZE, IT'S IN THE, UH, NECESSARY PEER INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT IS NOT KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT AND THE HARMONY OF THIS SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR AMERICAN HISTORY.

THE CURRENT CRUISE, UH, LINE, THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE, THE CRUISES, THE CHESAPEAKE BAY IS LARGE ENOUGH FOR OUR SMALL PORT, LARGE ENOUGH FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUSES, RESTAURANTS, AND SHOPS.

THERE ARE BUSES CURRENTLY FOR THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE LINEUP ON WATER STREET IN THE TRAVEL LANES ON THE CREST OF THE HILL TO PICK UP AND DISCHARGE PASSENGERS MAKING IT HARD TO GET AROUND.

USUALLY THEY'RE HERE EARLY IN THE MORNINGS, WHICH IS NOT GENERALLY A PROBLEM, BUT IN THE AFTERNOONS WHEN THEY LET THE PEOPLE OUT WATER STREET, IS IT CONGESTED? I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU BRING THE BRIG, THE PRINCESS CRUISE LINE IN.

UM, I, UNTIL RECENTLY, I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY WALKING TOURS FROM THE AMERICAN CRUISE LINE PASSENGERS ALONG WATER STREET OR UM, MAIN STREET.

IT JUST SEEMS NOW THAT THEY HAVE STARTED A WALKING TOUR, THEY DON'T EAT IN OUR RESTAURANTS.

THEY DON'T BRING PACKAGES BACK FROM WILLIAMSBURG.

THERE'S NO SHOPPING BAGS AND TOW WHEN THEY GO BACK ON THEIR BUSES, ON THEIR BOAT.

SO THEY'RE NOT DOING MUCH SHOPPING, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY EATING.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BENEFIT THEY HAVE TO THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO BRINGING IN SUCH A BIG CRUISE SHIP.

THE PRINCESS LINE.

UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE INTERESTED IN HISTORY DESTINATIONS, THEY'RE OLDER, THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING STUFF TO BRING HOME WITH THEM.

SO I DON'T SEE A LOT OF SHOPPING IN OUR LITTLE TOWN, FORT WILLIAMSBURG FROM THIS NEW CRUISE LINE.

THE, UH, ARTICLE I READ FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CRUISE LINE SAID THAT THEY'RE BRINGING 14,000 PEOPLE POSSIBLY TO YORKTOWN IN FIVE PORT OF CALLS.

IF THEY HAD ALL THE SHIPS FULL.

WE CAN'T HANDLE IT.

EVEN HALF SHIPS WE CAN'T HANDLE.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE NATURE OF OUR LITTLE HISTORIC TOWN.

I DON'T THINK THEY BELONG.

UH, ONE 10 BENJAMIN'S COURT.

SIFORD, CAN YOU PULL THE MIC? YOU CAN PULL THAT MIC DOWN A LITTLE CLOSER.

THAT'S GOOD.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE HIGH CHALLENGED, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

UM, I COME HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THAT I'M PART OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR YORK COUNTY TO, UM,

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YOU ALL ARE OUR LEADERS.

YOU, WE LOOK TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE AS YOU ADOPT SOMETHING AS WORTHY AS A CODE OF ETHICS.

IT TRICKLES DOWN AND PERMEATES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.

WE NEED THAT.

WE NEED THAT FOR, UM, OUR SCHOOLS.

WE NEED THAT FOR OUR CITIZENS.

WE NEED THAT FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO YOU AS OUR LEADERS NEED TO SHOW THE WAY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE PREPARED A DRAFT.

MANY OTHER COUNTIES SIMILAR TO OURS HAVE CODES OF ETHICS.

UM, AND I JUST URGE YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY, LAST ONE I HAVE SIGNED UP IS ALAN KENNEDY.

UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE, THE BOARD, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, UH, HEARING ME TONIGHT.

UM, UH, I'M A, I LIVE AT ONE 16 STG STREET, WHICH IS IN BURGESS'S QUARTERS, UM, WHICH IS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF UPPER END OF, OF YORK COUNTY, UH, IN OFF BYPASS ROAD IN WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, AND, UH, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF YOU AND SOME OF THE STAFF OF THIS COUNTY, AS HAVE MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS.

UM, I MORE AND MORE OF, OF, OF MY NEIGHBORS, UM, HAVE GROWN, UH, INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE, UH, OF A DEVELOPER THAT, UM, THAT HAS NOT LIVED UP TO THEIR OBLIGATIONS.

UH, THEY, THE DEVELOPER, UM, WHICH HAS AN ALPHABET SOUP OF LLCS, UH, HAS HA WAS, WAS, UH, OVER DEADLINE IN 2019.

THEY HAVE SINCE BEGUN EXTENSIONS EVERY YEAR FROM 2019, UH, UNTIL NOW.

AND, UH, THREE MONTHS AGO, WE W UH, THE, OUR COMMUNITY BANDED TOGETHER TO RAISE THE CONSCIOUSNESS TO THE BOARD, TO OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS, TO THE, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN PROTECTING THE DEVELOPERS, UM, AND SHIELDING THEM FROM ANY PENALTIES FOR NOT COMPLETING OUR DEVELOPMENT ON TIME.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS AND I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY, UH, UM, OFFICIALS AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATORS, INCLUDING, UH, RICHARD SUTTON, UM, WHO, WHO PERSONALLY CAME OUT AND WALKED, UH, THE GROUNDS.

UM, AND MR. HOLROYD, UH, WALKED OUR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AND SAW HOW MUCH PROGRESS THERE NEEDS TO BE MADE.

UM, WE ARE STILL NOT, STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED SIDEWALKS.

UM, THEY JUST PAVED THE STREETS.

THIS IS FOUR MORE THAN FOUR YEARS AFTER THE ORIGINAL DEADLINE.

UH, WE ARE STILL WAITING.

WE, THEY JUST CLEARED A PILE OF DEBRIS, UH, AND, AND SHARP RODS AND, UM, UH, AND, UH, AND A DOWNED ELECTRICAL POLE THAT SAT ON THE GROUND UNTIL WE REACHED OUT TO YOU.

THE DEVELOPERS DIDN'T LISTEN.

THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY DIDN'T CARE.

THE BANK DOESN'T CARE.

UM, THIS IS, SO WE ARE RELYING ON YOU TO HOLD THEM TO THEIR SURETY BONDS, TO HOLD THEM TO THEIR OBLIGATIONS.

WE ASK YOU, UH, NOT TO RELEASE THEIR THEIR MONEY CUZ THAT'S WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT UNTIL THEY HAVE MET EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WAS IN MR. SUTTON'S INSPECTION REPORT.

UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WHO ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY, MANY OF WHOM HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN LIKE MYSELF, UH, ARE PROTECTED.

UM, FINALLY, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE FUTURE WHEN WE CAN CONTROL OUR OWN HOA ONCE IT IS TURNED OVER TO US.

AND WE CAN PUSH FOR THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS ON THE WAY TO WALLER MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE ZONED.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SIDEWALKS GO TO WALLER MILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, AND OTHER GREAT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I HAVE NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP OR TAKE IT BACK.

TERRY HOTSON, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES.

I SEE, SORRY.

UM, MY NAME IS TERRY HOON.

I LIVE AT 2 0 7 NELSON STREET.

UM, I'M HERE ABOUT THE CRUISE SHIPS ALSO.

UM, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THEM UNTIL JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WHEN AN ARTICLE CAME OUT IN

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THE PAPER.

WE WERE KIND OF BLINDSIDED BY IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS CITIZENS, WE DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE OUR HANDS INTO EVERY LITTLE THING, BUT THIS IS HUGE FOR OUR AREA.

UM, IF THE, THE PICTURE THAT I SHOWED YOU, SOMEONE DID A RENDITION OF, OF WHAT THE SHIP WILL BE LIKE INTO SCALE WITH THE BRIDGE, AND IT'S ALMOST COMICAL.

IT, IT SEEMS INCR CRAZY BIG COMING IN AT 964 FEET LONG AND A HUNDRED FEET WIDE.

IT'S ROUGHLY THE LENGTH OF 2.7 FOOTBALL FIELDS.

AND AS WIDE AS TWO TRACTOR TRAILERS.

THIS IS NOT ME MAKING THIS UP.

THIS IS FROM THEIR SITE.

UM, AND THE SAME HEIGHT AS A 16 STORY BUILDING.

THAT'S HUGE.

THAT'S A BIG THING ON OUR, OUR, OUR SMALL VILLAGE OF YORKTON.

I'M ALL FOR TOURISM AND COMMUNITY.

THIS IS, I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN THE VILLAGE.

IT'S NOT MY VILLAGE, IT'S OUR COMMUNITY.

WE SERVE EVERYONE IN YORK COUNTY.

WE SERVE THE VISITORS THAT COME AND GRACE OUR PRESENCE.

AND, AND WE WANNA BE GOOD HOSTS AND WE WANT THEM TO BE GOOD GUESTS.

BUT THIS IS A LOT TO ASK.

UM, WHEN I'M JUST GOING TO, I I HAVE ZERO.

YOU SAY I CAME IN BY THE SKIN OF MY TEETH HERE.

UM, UH, SEE MY PANTS HERE.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ SOMETHING THAT I WROTE ON A POST.

UM, UH, THERE, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS.

THERE WAS NO INPUT ALLOWED.

THE CRUISE LINE WOULD RATHER PAY FINES THAN FIX PROBLEMS. THIS PARTICULAR CRUISE LINE PAYS MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER CRUISE LINE IN FINES BECAUSE OF POLLUTING AND BREAKING RULES.

OKAY? THAT, THAT IS A FACT.

UM, AND THE SCALE OF THESE CRUISE SHIPS ON THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT WILL BE ENORMOUS.

AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT WILL BE HUGE.

I LIVE IN HISTORIC YORKTOWN AND MY, I'M ALL FOR IMPROVING TOURISM IN THE AREA, BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH.

THE CURRENT CRUISE SHIPS THAT COME TO PORT HERE ARE BIG ENOUGH.

LET'S IMPROVE ON THAT SITUATION.

THE SHIPS WILL BE 10 TIMES THAT SIZE.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS THESE ENORMOUS CRUISE SHIPS WILL HAVE ON THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA OF THE WATERFRONT WHERE SHIPS WERE SCUTTLED BY CORNWALLIS DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR.

AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE WATER MUSEUM, THERE GOES THAT BEAUTIFUL AND PEACEFUL VIEW.

SOMEONE IS MAKING A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, BUT THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AREA, AND THE VISITORS AND GUESTS WILL PAY THE PRICE.

THIS IS SO SAD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, BUT I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD REALLY THINK HARD ABOUT THIS CUZ IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE GREAT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THAT WAS THE LAST ONE I HAVE SIGNED UP.

ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK BEFORE THE BOARD? SEEING NONE.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WE'LL GO TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS.

I HAVE NOTHING MR. CHAIRMAN.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? SEEING NONE.

WE'LL, OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

REPORTS.

MR. SHEPARD, I HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS FOR YOU TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JULY 4TH.

WAS THE SHREDDING PART WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE REST OF IT.

WHAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT WEEK IS PUBLIC WORK STAFF STARTING TO SET UP FOR THE EVENT.

SO, AS A REMINDER, UH, THERE, THERE'S AN EIGHT K 5K RUN WALK THAT STARTS AT 8:00 AM THE PARADE IS AT 9:00 AM ON MAIN STREET.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE FIREWORKS, THE BIG EVENT THAT STARTS AT NINE 15, THE PARKING TO, TO PARK FOR THE FIREWORKS.

SO WE'LL START AT FOUR ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

SO THE TROLLEY'S GONNA RUN FROM 10:00 AM TILL ABOUT 5:00 PM AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, PARKING ON THE, THE BATTLEFIELD HAPPENED AFTER THAT.

THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU IS A LITTLE PICKLEBALL UPDATE.

YOU KNOW THAT MR. MORGAN IS A BIG PICKLEBALL FAN, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, DISAPPOINT HIM AND NOT TALK ABOUT PICKLEBALL.

UH, SO WE HAVE BEGUN RENOVATIONS AT BAT CREEK PARK.

WE'LL SEE A CONVERSION OF THE TENNIS COURTS, PART OF THE TENNIS COURTS TO PICKLEBALL COURTS.

I BELIEVE THAT'LL CREATE SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS.

AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY FAST GROWING SPORT.

THE, UH, PARKS REC DEPARTMENT IS PICKING THIS UP FOR LESSONS.

SO THERE'LL BE ADULT LESSONS AS WELL AS LESSONS FOR THE YOUTH.

SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN THE GAME AND GET OUT THERE, GET SOME EXERCISE AND SUNSHINE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COMPLETION OF THAT.

ALSO, UH, UPCOMING HERE IS A HOUSEHOLD CHEMICAL COLLECTION, UH, THAT WE DO DOWN ON SERVICE DRIVE THAT'S BEEN VERY POPULAR.

UH, THE NEXT COLLECTION DATE IS JULY 8TH AT 1 0 5 SERVICE DRIVE ROAD.

UH, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT WEBSITE HAS ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PROGRAM, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE, UH, FREE SHREDDING OFFERED WITH THAT UP TO FIVE BOXES OF SHREDDING.

UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WHAT WE REALIZED

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SO WE ADDED SHREDDING, MORE SHREDDING TO THE EVENT MM-HMM.

, AND IT'S BEEN VERY POPULAR WITH THE PUBLIC FOR THAT SERVICE.

SO WE'RE REAL HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THAT TO YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.

MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD.

ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, I WANNA SAY APPRECIATE THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WORKING WITH US FOR PARKING AGAIN THIS YEAR IN THE BATTLEFIELD.

THAT'S A BIG HELP.

WE NOT PARK PEOPLE THERE, SO APPRECIATE THEIR, THEIR, THEIR COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIP.

SIR, REAL, REAL QUICK, JUST TO ADDRESS, UH, A COUPLE OF THE PEOPLE'S CONCERNS.

UH, MR. HOLROYD MENTIONED TAXES, UH, AND WE ARE RUNNING A SURPLUS.

SO IF YOU COULD CHECK IN, UH, WITH THAT AND MAKE SURE, UH, THOSE NOT LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS.

ALSO, MR. KENNEDY TALKED ABOUT, UH, AND WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON SOME EMAILS, BUT IF YOU COULD UPDATE THE, UH, BOARD ON THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING MADE IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THE LAST ONE, UH, MS. HODSON TALKED ABOUT THE CRUISE SHIP COMING IN.

SURE.

AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A UPDATE ON THAT IN QUITE SOME TIME.

SO IF YOU COULD KEEP THE BOARD UPDATED, UH, ON THAT, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

WE'LL, WE'LL GET ALL THREE OF 'EM TO YOU.

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? JILL? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THIS EVENING.

GUYS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY.

COME ON OUT TO THE 4TH OF JULY.

STARTS WITH THE PARADE AT 9:00 AM UH, AND THEN FOLLOWED.

STAY ALL DAY.

NINE 15, THE FIREWORKS.

COME ON OUT.

ENJOY YOUR COUNTY.

ENJOY THE 4TH OF JULY WHERE INDEPENDENCE WAS ONE RIGHT HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

AND MAKE SURE YOU USE SUNSCREEN, SUNSCREEN, BUG, BUG SPRAY.

BRING YOUR BUG SPRAY.

ANYTHING ELSE OR NO BUGS IN YORK COUNTY? OH, .

HERE WE GO.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

UM, I WANNA THANK THE, UH, STAFF FOR, UH, THE, UH, FOR THE JUNETEENTH, UM, AT MAC, UH, ATHLETIC CENTER.

UM, THAT WENT OVER REALLY WELL.

UM, AND IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, UH, COMMEMORATIVE EVENT.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, WE, UH, STAFF DID A GREAT JOB.

UM, PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE HAVING A GOOD TIME, GOT A LITTLE WARM.

I WAS DRESSED IN THIS HOT SUIT AND FOR A WHILE, .

AND THEN, UH, BUT ANYWAY, IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD TIME.

UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REMIND FOLKS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SEEING IN THE NEWS NOW ABOUT THE HURRICANES, THE THIS ONE IS COMING ACROSS AND, UM, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE OR NOT, UH, TH THERE'S WEIRD THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

AND THIS IS A HURRICANE THAT STARTED THE, THEY, THEY SAID SINCE, WHAT IS IT? IT'S THE MOST EASTERLY DEVELOPED HURRICANE SINCE THE RECORDED, WE STARTED RECORDING THESE THINGS.

SO IT'S BUILDING UP STEAM AND IT'S COMING THIS WAY.

UM, WHEN IT GETS OFF, IT GOES MAYBE INTO THE GULF OR IF IT COMES UP AROUND FLORIDA.

UM, JUST A REMINDER, THE GOVERNOR CANNOT, UH, WELL, WE'LL, HE WILL DECLARE AN EMERGENCY AND EVACUATION ABOUT THE TIME THE STORM IS AT FLORIDA, AT JACKSONVILLE.

BECAUSE HE CAN'T WAIT ANY LATER THAN THAT.

IT JUST IS, IS UP UPON US.

AND EVERYBODY THEN, FOR VIRGINIA BEACH OR WHEREVER, WILL COME OVER THIS WAY.

AND AS USUAL, UH, IF IT STARTS HEADING UP TOWARDS THE CAROLINAS, PEOPLE START, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN A MINI PANIC TO BUY WATER AND, AND, UH, SUPPLIES.

IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A GENERATOR TO GO FIND ONE NOW.

UH, BECAUSE THEN, UH, IF IT GETS CLOSE AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF THE SEASON, THEY'RE GONNA BE HARD TO FIND.

UM, SO GETTING AHEAD OF THE STUFF IS, UM, IS, UH, KIND OF IMPORTANT.

WE ARE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED.

THE CAROLINAS GET THE HIT, AND THEN THE TIME THE STORM GETS UP HERE AND THE LAST 20 SOME YEARS, IT'S, UH, GENERALLY THE BEST IT CAN GET AS A CATEGORY ONE.

ALTHOUGH IT HITS THE COAST AT A CATEGORY FIVE OR FOUR, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT, THAT AREA.

CATEGORY ONE WAS, UH, ISABELLE.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WEREN'T HERE, WHEN ISABELLE HIT IT, MADE A MESS OF THIS PLACE, IT, UH, CUT DOWN, CUT POWER OFF IN SOME COMMUNITIES FOR, FOR ACTUALLY A COUPLE MONTHS.

AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM.

, MANY OF THE FOLKS CAME BACK UP WITHIN, WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

UM, I DIDN'T GET, WE DIDN'T GET POWER TO MY HOUSE UNTIL ABOUT THREE WEEKS.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE, UH, YOU LIKE TAKING HOT SHOWERS AND YOU'RE ON, UH, YOUR SYSTEM'S ON A, UH, ON ELECTRIC, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE TAKING A HOT SHOWER UNLESS YOU BUILD A BONFIRE OUT THERE AND YOU WARM YOUR OWN WATER.

IF YOU HAVE GAS, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BE OKAY BECAUSE THE GAS IS LINE.

AND,

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SO, AND, AND ALSO OUR WATER SYSTEM IS REALLY GOOD.

SO WATER AND GAS SEEM TO REALLY WORK WELL HERE.

UH, OTHER COMMUNITIES GET HAMMERED ON, ON LIKE THE ELECTRICAL BIT.

AND IF YOU'RE ON THE GRID, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT GOES DOWN.

SO JUST THOUGHTS.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS AS A SUPERVISOR, UH, UH, BECAUSE I'M IN A LOW LYING AREA, I STARTED GETTING CALLS ABOUT FOLKS WHO WILL SAY, WELL, AM I IN A FLOOD ZONE? UH, JUST MATTER, IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE IN A FLOOD ZONE BY NOW, CALL.

AND ABOUT THE TIME A HURRICANE HITS, IT'S NOT GOOD.

IT'S NOT SMART BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR INSURANCE FOR YOUR HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU CAN GO ONLINE TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND YOU CAN, AND IT'LL TELL YOU THAT WHETHER YOU'RE IN A FLOOD ZONE, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, JUST GO AHEAD AND LOOK, LOOK IT UP.

AND, UM, AND IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE, JUST CALL THE COUNTY AND, AND IT WILL HELP YOU FIND, UH, FIND YOUR PROPERTY AND TELL YOU ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT'S ON THERE.

SO, NOW'S THE TIME TO BE PREPARING.

THEN.

THIS YEAR SEEMS TO BE A PARTICULARLY WEIRD YEAR BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, REALLY HOT EVERYWHERE EXCEPT TO HERE.

AND, UH, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

SO ANYWAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, WHERE'S MY CLOCK? SIX THREE.

SO WE GOT, WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M GONNA DO.

WE'RE GONNA JUMP TO, UH, WE HAVE TWO, UM, ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSENT AGENDA.

WE'LL DO THE CONSENT AGENDA CUZ WE GOTTA WAIT UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND I'M LOOKING ON IT HERE.

BOARDS, IT'S ITEM SEVEN,

[CONSENT CALENDAR ]

WE HAVE, UH, CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES.

IT'S OUR RENEWAL OF OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE REQUEST TO REFUND A BUSINESS LICENSE TAX.

TO, UH, WHICH WAS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY THE, UH, COMMISSION OF THE REVENUE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANNA PULL? ANYBODY WANNA PULL ANY OF THESE? NO.

IF NOT, I WANT, HANG ON.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU SAY YOU HAVE ONE? NO.

UH, MS. NOLL MOVES THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A CLOSED MEETING, SO WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO IN RECESS TILL SEVEN O'CLOCK.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME BACK TO THE MEETING.

UH, WE'RE NOW GOING TO THE SEVEN O'CLOCK PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, I HAVE RECEIVED, UH, UH, SPEAKER NOTIFICATIONS FOR ITEMS. UH, THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE I, ALL OF 'EM, ITEM FOUR.

THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS, UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, A ZM 19, 1 96, 23, AND A UP 1,423 FROM THE CARSON GROUP IS CONSIDERATION OF, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, NUMBER 2310 AND RESOLUTION R 2385 TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING, UH, RECLASSIFICATION OF SOME OF SOME LAND ON FAULKNER ROAD.

UH,

[2 Application No. ZM-196-23 and UP-1004-23, Carson Group, LLC. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 23-10 and Resolution R23-85 to amend the York County Zoning map reclassifying land located at 111 Faulkner Road and to approve a Special Use Permit to author-ize the establishment of a recreational vehicle sales and display use without bodywork and painting at 6903 and 6909 George Washington Memorial Highway and 111 Faulkner Road. ]

UM, AND THEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SALES AND DISPLAY.

SO, AS MR. SHEPARD SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

UH, THIS IS THE, UH, TWO PARCELS.

UM, IT'S THREE PARCELS, BUT, UH, THE GREEN BLOCK IS, UM, THE AREA FOR 69 0 9, 69 0 3.

AND THEN, UH, THE YELLOW, UH, BLUE BOX AROUND IT IS FAULKNER ROAD.

UH, THAT IS THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO BE REZONED TONIGHT.

UM, IT'S ABOUT A ONE LITTLE OVER ONE ACRE PARCEL.

UM, AND THAT'S YOUR FIRST APPLICATION TONIGHT.

I'LL PRESENT THIS ALL IN ONE PR POWERPOINT TO YOU, BUT THAT'S YOUR FIRST ACTION TONIGHT WOULD BE TO WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE THAT.

AND THEN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR, UH, RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SALES FOR ALL THREE PROPERTIES.

UM, SO THIS WOULD INCORPORATE, UH, WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE TWO PARCELS, UM, ON GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, UH, TO INCLUDE THE FAULKNER ROAD AND A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW PLAN FROM THE PREVIOUS.

SO YES, THIS IS THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR THE REZONING.

IT IS, IT DOES HAVE A, ABOUT A 2000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT.

UM, IT IS ZONED R 20.

AND JUST, UH, GO BACK HERE REAL QUICK AND SHOW YOU THE, THE ZONING.

UM, ON A BROAD PERSPECTIVE, YOU CAN SEE THE YELLOW IS OUR R 20.

SO IT, UM, IT DOES BACK UP TO THE FAULKNER ROAD, SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, BUT THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS, UH, GB, WHICH IS THE RED COLOR, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE, THE TURF LAWN EQUIPMENT

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SALES NEXT DOOR DOT RB, WHO'S THIS, THIS APPLICANT BASICALLY TONIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FAULKNER.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ACROSS 17 FROM THE DENTIST'S OFFICE TO WATER EDGE CHURCH AND, UH, THE, THE, UH, CAR LOT SALES OVER THERE.

THERE ARE SOME HOMES ALSO ON TEON ROAD THAT, THAT ABOVE THE FAULKNER HOME.

AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE, UM, ON THE SOUTH OF THE, OF THAT.

SO FOR OUR LISTENING AUDIENCE HERE, THE R 20 IS, UH, ABOUT A HALF AN ACRE MEDIA MEDIA DENSITY.

20,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE RED IS THE GB IS GENERAL BUSINESS.

GENERAL BUSINESS, YES, SIR.

UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR REZONING TONIGHT.

AND THEN THE LARGER, UM, ALL THREE PROPERTIES ARE UNDER THE, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES, UM, SHOW THIS PROPERTY SPLIT DESIGNATED.

SO, UH, THE RED IS OUR GENERAL BUSINESS DESIGNATION, AND THE YELLOW IS OUR MEDIUM DENSITY DESIGNATION.

SO IT IS SPLIT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A SMALL TRIANGLE OF, UM, RED HERE.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AT THE END ONCE WE GET, UM, TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO THIS IS AN AERIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS BEING USED, UH, FOR STORAGE NOW OF SOME OF THE TRAILERS.

UH, THIS DID HAVE A PREVIOUS SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT IT ALLOWED THEM FOR TO DO THAT.

AND THEN THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, HERE ON THE FAULKNER ROAD PROPERTY.

UH, THIS IS THE SKETCH PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IT HAS ROUTE 17 IS OUT HERE AT THE TOP, UH, WITH AN ENTRANCE IN, UM, A DISPLAY AREA FOR THE RVS.

AND THEN A ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, TO THE BACK WITH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.

SECOND FLOOR IS MUCH SMALLER.

UH, THEY DO HAVE SOME PARKING AREAS HERE AROUND THE BUILDING.

AND THEN ANOTHER DISPLAY AREA SHOWN HERE IN THE BACK AROUND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S THERE.

UH, THE BIG PIECES TO NOTE HERE ARE THE 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ALONG THE FAULKNER ROAD AND THE TEON MM-HMM.

, UM, PROPERTIES HERE THAT WILL, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO, UH, MAINTAIN THAT AS A BUFFER IN ADDITION TO THE, THE BMP THAT'S HERE ALONG FAULKNER ROAD, WHICH WILL ADD ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR THESE FAULKNER ROAD HOMES.

JUST POINTING OUT THE ACCESS PIECES.

UH, MAIN ACCESS WILL BE HERE ON FAULKNER ROAD AS ACCESS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE EXISTING RV.

SO, UH, IT WILL MATCH UP THERE.

AND THEN THE, UH, BASICALLY IT'S AN EXIT OUT, UM, ONTO 17 THAT WILL BE HERE CLOSER TO THE, UM, THE, THE, THE TURF OPERATIONS BUILDING THERE.

UM, VDOT HAS SAID THIS WILL REQUIRE AN ACCESS WAIVER ONCE THEY MOVE FORWARD TO SITE PLAN PRO.

UM, SO AGAIN, FOR THE LISTENING PUBLIC, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN 17.

YOU'LL SEE THE R THE ODD RV, UH, THE ONES THAT ARE PARKED OUT IN THE GRASS AREA.

YES, SIR.

AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THE ACTUAL RV STORE ITSELF IS A LITTLE FURTHER UP THE ROAD PAST FAULKNER.

IN FACT, IT CONNECTS IN THERE, I THINK.

IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FAULKNER.

ALLOW LARGE BAY DOORS, SO WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THESE ARE, BUT WE HAVE NOTED TO THE APPLICANT AND IN THE APPLICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, LARGE BAY DOORS CANNOT FACE.

YEP.

AND THEN JUST WANTED TO DO A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN, UM, THE R 20 PROPERTIES HERE ALONG FAULKNER ROAD AND TEON HERE.

UH, THERE IS A, THIS 35 FOOT BUFFER, AND THESE PROPERTIES HERE ON THIS SIDE OF FAULKNER ALSO HAVE A BUFFER OF THE B AND P.

UH, SO STAFF IS, UH, PUT A CONDITION IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT RV STORAGE BEING A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO, UH, OR NOT STORAGE, BUT DISPLAY AREA BEING A LITTLE TOO CLOSE HERE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, PUT A CONDITION IN THERE TO PUT A 50 FOOT BUFFER.

OF COURSE, IT WOULDN'T GO THROUGH THE HOUSE, IT WOULD GO UP TO THE HOUSE, BUT JUST TO OFFER ADDITIONAL PROTECTION LIKE THESE PROPERTIES ARE GETTING AND KIND OF MOVE THAT USE A LITTLE FURTHER BACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.

AND IT WILL HAVE FENCING ALSO, UM, A FENCE THAT WILL BE ALONG THE TRANSITIONAL BUFFER TO HELP.

UM, SO YOU'RE HAVING A BUFFER TO A BUFFER.

WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL LENGTH TO THE BUFFER TO MAKING A WIDER IN THAT AREA, JUST TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FULLNESS.

SO GIVING THE SAME KIND OF PROTECTIONS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE ON THE BMP SIDE ARE GETTING OVER HERE.

AND THIS SIDE KIND OF IMPACTS MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE THE HOMES ON TEON.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE HOMES HERE ON FAULKNER.

ANOTHER PIECE IS THIS, UH, THESE LITTLE GRAY AREAS.

UM, THEY'RE SHOWING THEM AS PAINTED AREAS, BUT ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE TO BE LANDSCAPED ISLANDS.

SO WE HAVE PUT THAT AS A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THOSE BE REQUIRED TO BE, UH, GREEN LANDSCAPE RATHER THAN JUST PAINTING ON THE PAVEMENT.

UH, BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR, THEY DO HAVE, THE BUILDING DOES HAVE TO MEET ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATION.

SO THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM FAULKNER ROAD, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'D SEE FROM ROUTE 17.

UM, YOU KNOW, ROUTE 17 DOESN'T

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SO ANY OPENINGS WHERE RVS WOULD TRAVEL THROUGH THINGS OF THAT NATURE COULDN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE THAT FROM THE ROAD.

UH, SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND, UM, THAT YOU DO APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST BECAUSE HAVING AN ISOLATED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BEHIND ALL THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY JUST DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO EACH OTHER VERY WELL.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROFFERED A LOT OF SCREENING AND BUFFERING WITH FENCING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE AGREE, UH, WE HAVE ALSO ADDED A LITTLE MORE PROTECTION IN THERE FOR, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION.

AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE DO FEEL THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS KIND OF USE.

IT'S A LONG, HEAVY, UH, PRINCIPLE CORRIDOR.

UM, AND THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA IS VERY WELL PROTECTED WITH THE CONDITIONS AND THE PROFFERS.

SO, UH, WE, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A NICE DEVELOPMENT AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT.

UH, YOU CAN DO THAT FIRST BY ADOPTING, UH, ORDINANCE 2310 TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THE FAULKNER ROAD PROPERTY.

AND THEN UP, UH, ADOPTING THE S U P UH, RESOLUTION 23 DASH 85.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID, UH, REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND THEY, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT AND HIS ATTORNEY AND, UM, AND, AND SPAIN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT TO CALL YOU, MIKE, BUT, UM, OUR HEARING ANSWER QUESTION BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO AND ASK THIS, THE BOARD HERE, ASK QUESTIONS, WHATEVER.

I JUST WANT TO KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ON THE HISTORY HERE.

WE, UH, THEY, I REMEMBER THEY CAME IN, DOD RV CAME IN AND ASKED IF WE, THEY NEEDED TO PARK THESE EXCESS, UH, UH, TRAILERS, UM, ON SOME PROPERTY NEARBY.

AND WE AGREED TO IT.

BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THAT HAD TO EVENTUALLY BE, BE SET UP LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE, WE REQUIRE THAT OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE PAVEMENTS, THEY, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WELL, THIS, THIS HASN'T HAD ANY OF THAT FOR WHAT, ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW? IT'S BEEN ABOUT THAT.

YES, YES.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A NATURAL PROGRESSION TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY GET IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE CODE, UM, THAT WE'VE GOT AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR OTHER BUSINESSES DO.

YES, SIR.

THEY DO THAT.

SO, UH, START QUESTIONS, UH, MR. SHEPHERD KIND OF ANSWER, UH, ASKED THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

BUT, UH, THE PROPERTY THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THE, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I NOTICED THERE HAVE BEEN STORAGE OF RVS.

UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A PLAN THAT WE APPROVED.

DID WE APPROVE, APPROVE A PLAN, UH, SEVERAL YEARS BACK? SO THE REASON THOSE TRA THOSE RVS ARE THERE IS, UM, AS YOU, AS YOU MIGHT BE AWARE, THROUGH THE EXISTING RV PROPERTY, THERE USED TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD THAT ACCESS BACK TO COUNTRY LANE WHERE SEVERAL RESIDENTS WERE.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF HIS PROPERTY, HE, UH, BUILT A ROAD ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN CLOSED THAT ACCESS, UH, FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH.

SO DURING THAT TIME, HE NEEDED TO MOVE SOME RVS OFF, AND THEN OF COURSE, COVID HIT HE, HE SUBMITTED HIS SITE PLAN.

UM, IT, IT IS STILL UNDER REVIEW.

UH, BUT THEN HE SUBMITTED THIS, UH, TO KIND OF CONSOLIDATE ALL THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER.

SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.

ONCE, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, THEN HE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH CHANGING THE SITE PLAN TO ENCOMPASS ALL THE PROPERTIES.

AND THIS LOOKS LIKE A MUCH MORE COMPLETE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HERE IT IS.

THE PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED, INCLUDED THE BUFFER.

INCLUDED THE BUILDING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

THIS JUST INCORPORATES THAT ONE PROPERTY THAT WAS SITTING THERE, WHICH WAS STILL KIND OF STUCK BACK THERE DURING THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND THEY HAD GRANTED ACCESS TO EASEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

SO YES, THIS KIND OF CLEANS UP THAT SITUATION BETWEEN THOSE THREE PROPERTIES.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

SHEILA GOT QUESTIONS, STEVE? YEAH.

A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, SO THE, I WANNA SAY THE BIGGER PIECE OF PROPERTY, WELL REALLY THE WHOLE THING, IT'S GONNA BE USED MAINLY FOR STORAGE OR WHETHER IT BE REPAIR WORK, CUSTOMIZATION WORK.

WHAT ELSE WILL BE USED? DOES THAT PROPERTY BE USED FOR? SO THE, THE PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR DISPLAY.

OF FOR SALE OR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.

ALL THE OTHER MAINTENANCE WORK REPAIR AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE OP, OTHER SIDE OF FAULKNER ROAD AT THE EXISTING LOCATION.

PROPERTY, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT NOISE? SO THERE'S NO CONS, NO REPAIR WORK, SO DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT PROBLEM.

SO THE, THE BUILDING THAT, THE PROPOSED BUILDING, WHAT WOULD THAT BE USED FOR IF THE PROPERTY'S BEING USED FOR DISPLAY? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, RVS AND THINGS ON THE INSIDE.

I WOULD IMAGINE DISPLAYS THE APPLICANT PROBABLY COULD ANSWER A LITTLE BIT BETTER WHAT HIS PURPOSE FOR THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING IS.

I KNOW THE SECOND FLOOR SAYS OFFICES, SO THEY MAY HAVE SOME OFFICES ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT I'LL, UM, DE DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.

SINCE THIS PROPERTY ABUTS, UM, RESIDENTIAL

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NO SALE.

SO I'M GUESSING NO PA SYSTEM ALERTING SALESPEOPLE TO COME TO A VEHICLE.

NO PA SYSTEM THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE INTRUSIVE.

ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT QUESTION DID COME UP.

AND, UM, A LOT OF THE PLACES THAT USED TO USE PA SYSTEMS DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

THEY JUST, EVERYBODY'S GOT A CELL PHONE, SO THEY JUST TEXT THEM.

BUT AGAIN, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT MAYBE TOUCH BASE ON HOW HIS SALESMEN DO THAT AND WHAT THEY USE ON THEIR EXISTING SITE.

SO LAST THING, WHAT, WHAT'S STARTED, WHAT'S WINNING ME OVER HERE IS THAT ED BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY THE, THE WADDEN OF IT.

SO, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.

UM, SO HAVING THAT TO SEGREGATE THE TWO AND PROVIDE CUSHION BETWEEN PEOPLE'S HOMES AND BACKYARDS MM-HMM.

AND THE BUSINESS IS A GREAT IDEA.

TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

VEGETATIVE BUFFER'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE GRASS, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, EVERGREEN TREES, OTHER TREES, THEY'LL BE MIXED IN THERE.

UH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THEM UP.

UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A FENCE ALSO BACK THERE.

OH, WE'LL HAVE A FENCE THERE AS WELL TOO.

SO THE FENCE WILL YOU, YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE THE RESIDENCE PROPERTY, THEN YOU'LL HAVE GREEN VEGETATION, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A FENCE.

SO THE FENCE WILL BE AGAINST MAYBE PARKING AREA B AND P, UM, THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT BUFFER WILL NEED TO BE KEPT UP.

A TREE DIES, A NEW TREE NEEDS TO BE PLANTED.

THEY SHOULD KEEP IT UP.

AND OUR, OUR ZONING INSPECTORS GO OUT TO INSPECT ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR, UM, COMPLIANCE.

AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THEY LOOK FOR.

AND, UM, FOR KIND OF A REFERENCE, UH, FOR FOLKS, UH, WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUFFERING A LOT OF TIMES IN TYPE SAYING WE TYPE 30, TYPE 50 AND, AND SO FORTH.

UM, WHAT IS THIS TYPE 50? THIS WOULD BE A TYPE 35.

IS WHAT, SO 35 FEET IS WHAT YOU CAN THINK OF.

35 OR 50 FEET, WHICHEVER TYPE IT IS.

UM, USUALLY IT'S FEET, SO 35 FEET AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A, MEET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF LANDSCAPE CREDITS WITHIN THAT.

SO IF THERE'S EXISTING TREES IN THERE, THEY CAN USE THEM.

UM, AND THEY WOULD NEED TO SUPPLEMENT WITH EVERGREEN TREES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE FULL CREDIT COUNT.

UH, THERE'S NO, I I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FENCING.

WHAT TYPE OF FENCING WILL IT BE? SO WE HAVE PUT A CONDITION FOR AN OPAQUE WOODEN FENCE.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND UM, CHAD, YOU GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY, GOOD.

LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UH, YOU CAN USE UP TO 10 MINUTES.

I DON'T NEED 10 MINUTES.

AS Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW, I'M AN ATTORNEY DOWN HERE AT 4,000 GEORGE WASHINGTON.

I'VE BEEN IN NEW YORK COUNTY MOST OF MY LIFE.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT, CAN YOU PULL THAT MIC UP A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU? SURE.

I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE ARE AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

UH, THERE HAS BEEN DELAYS, UH, A LOT OF WHICH WAS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO BE A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT THAT ROAD, THAT COUNTRY ROAD WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ADDRESSED AND THE COUNTY WAS GOOD TO US AND SAID, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING BASICALLY DEDICATE THE LAND.

AND IT DID REQUIRE A LOT OF STRUCTURE TO MOVE THOSE UNITS OVER THERE.

AND THEN WE GOT INTO THE COVID AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S CHANGED THE WHOLE WORLD.

WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS BACK THERE, THAT WAS LANDLOCKED, IS RESIDENTIAL, IT CREATED A LOT OF ISSUES IN OUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM.

, WHICH REQUIRED EASEMENTS FOR INGRESS, EGRESS, UTILITIES.

AND THEN BASICALLY HE WAS USING ROUTE 17 AS HIS DRIVEWAY AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

SO WE FOCUSED ON ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE WE BELIEVED IT WAS BASICALLY A LANDLOCKED RESIDENTIAL SHOULDN'T BE THERE.

AND IT ACTUALLY HAS MUCH MORE BENEFIT TO US AS FAR AS, UH, A BUSINESS.

SO MR. MOORE WAS GRACIOUS TO DO THAT, BUT IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE COULD STAY THERE PENDING HIS RELOCATION.

SO AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW THE GRASS AND THE WEEDS WERE TALL.

COME TO FIND OUT AFTER MEETING, CUZ YOU ALWAYS WANNA FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE CUZ MR. DODD ALWAYS HAS COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPERS OUT THERE THAT, THAT PROPERTY THAT HAD THE WEEDS AND THE GRASS WAS THE OLD MOORE PROPERTY.

AND SINCE WE'VE CLOSED ON IT AND TAKEN POSSESSION OF IT, HE OCCUPIED IT UP UNTIL RECENTLY.

HE, HE MAINTAINED IT.

SO I THINK WE'RE THERE.

AND THEN THE BUFFER THAT'S BEING ADDED IS, IS NOT OF A CONCERN TO US.

CUZ THE GREATER ABUNDANCE IS THAT THE RETENTION POND, WHICH IS EVEN GONNA ADD MUCH MORE DISTANCE.

IT SO THAT WE COULD PAY THE, THE BENEFICIAL PRICE OF IT.

, WE DON'T USE PA SYSTEMS TEXTING AND, AND ALL THAT IS, IS WHAT WE USE NOWADAYS.

I I'VE VERIFIED ALL THAT.

THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS BASICALLY GOING ONLY BE USED FOR STORAGE.

IT'S JUST KIND OF RIDICULOUS TO TEAR DOWN THE NICE STRUCTURE THAT THE GUY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY UPGRADING

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AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GONNA BASICALLY USE IT AS A STORAGE FACILITY, MAYBE EQUIPMENT AND OTHER THINGS.

THE NEW STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE SALES.

IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SPECIALTY HITCHES, YOUR CANOPIES, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ACCESSORIZING IN THE SALES OFFICES.

, ALL THE MAINTENANCE, ALL THE PAINTING, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD GENERATE NOISE IS GONNA REMAIN EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.

AND WE'VE PROFFERED THAT.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS OF CONCERN TO US IS WOOD FENCE.

WE, WE PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT WE'D LIKE IT TO BE JUST THAT OPAQUE FENCE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

WE, BECAUSE WOODEN FENCES TEND TO FALL DOWN.

TEND TENDED DEGRADE.

WE, WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND NOBODY WANTS A BLAZING WHITE FENCE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ADJOINING THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEHIND US A A GREAT DISTANCE OFF.

WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE OPAQUE VINYL OR SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WOULD AGREE TO, JUST SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING REALLY TO UPGRADE AS OPPOSED TO A, A WOODEN FENCE WOULD BE MUCH CHEAPER THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER.

UM, WE, WE REALIZED THAT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING IT, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MM-HMM.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA BE BA BASICALLY MAKING THE FRONT MATCH PRETTY MUCH, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR WITH THE ROD ARM RAILINGS AND UPGRADE ALL THAT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THE LANDSCAPING FOR THAT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK I'VE FILLED YOU IN ON EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE CONCERNS IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS.

I DO HAVE THE, THE SITE, UH, WORK INDIVIDUAL HERE, MIKE AND, AND MR. DOTT HIMSELF.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD THE LAST FEW YEARS TO BRING THIS PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.

IS THE, UH, THE REFERENCE THE FENCE IS, UH, IS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE, IT IS, IT, IT ON PAGE FOUR IT SAYS OPAQUE WOODEN FENCE IN TWO LOCATIONS.

AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE COUNTY BEFORE TONIGHT.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU THAT IF WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, THAT'S ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NOT BENEFICIAL TO.

WE'LL HEAR FROM THE STAFF ON THAT ONE.

YES SIR.

WE'LL MAKE FOR, FOR THE NIGHTS OUT, WE'LL KNOW.

SO QUESTIONS? NO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FENCE.

YOU GOT QUESTIONS? NO.

QUESTIONS? NO, HE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

THANK Y'ALL.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

UH, CAN THE STAFF, UH, LET'S SEE.

YOU CAN COME BACK UP PLEASE.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, THEY'D LIKE TO PUT A VINYL FENCE IN THERE.

I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF JUST, WE WANTED SOME KIND OF FENCE YOU COULDN'T SEE THROUGH.

SO AS LONG AS IT'S A FENCE, YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S VINYL, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT WHITE, I THINK WE'D BE GOOD.

SO IN THE CONDITIONS IT SAYS WOODEN, SO IF YOU JUST WANTED TO REMOVE THE WORD WOODEN FROM THE TWO CONDITIONS.

AS LONG AS THEY'RE AMENABLE WITH THE PROFFER SAYING WOODEN, WE'D HAVE TO STRIKE THAT ALSO.

UM, THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE RESOLUTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN R UNDER THE RESOLUTION? CORRECT.

GOT IT.

AND THEN I'LL, UM, I'LL ALLOW MR. HILL TO RESPOND TO HOW THE PROFFER IF IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR THEM TO STRIKE THE PROFFER WORDING HERE.

I, I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S IN THE PROFFER TOO, SO THAT NEEDS TO, IF IT'S GONNA COME OUT, IT NEEDS TO COME OUTTA THE PROFFER AS WELL.

AND THEN MIC'S SHAKING HIS HEAD YES.

SO WE'LL CHECK, WE'LL PASS IT WITH THAT AS LONG AS EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

UM, JUST STRIKE THEM.

SO WE'LL, UH, LET'S SEE.

LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, UM, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.

WE'RE GONNA, OKAY.

UH, WE GOT TWO OF 'EM TOGETHER.

ONE'S AN ORDINANCE AND ONE'S A RESOLUTION.

I'M GONNA DO 'EM SEPARATE.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE ORDINANCE FIRST.

UH, SO ORDINANCE 23 DASH 10.

IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD ON THAT? ORDINANCE STAND? NONE.

LET'S, HE'S MOVED IT.

NO.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 DASH 10 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

SO THE NEXT ONE WILL BE THEN THE, UH, RESOLUTION.

MOTION ON RESOLUTION.

THIS WILL BE THE 23 DASH 85 R.

SO I'LL, I'LL MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE INCLUDED STRIKING THE WORD WOOD? YES.

MOVE THE RESOLUTION.

MOVE ANY COMMENT FROM THE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MRS. NOLL IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 85 R TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED.

UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO ITEM THREE AS APPLICATION.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WAIT A MINUTE.

HANG ON.

GO AHEAD.

MAY I, MAY I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION'S SAKE, ASK THE,

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BOTH FROM THE RESOLUTION AND AGREEING TO ALLOW IT TO BE STRIKING FROM THE PROFFERS? YES.

YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH IT? YES.

OKAY, GOOD.

JUST WANT, THANK YOU.

MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

GOTTA HAVE OUR LAWYER AND THEY GOTTA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

LET'S SEE.

HANG ON JUST A SECOND PLEASE.

[3 Application No. UP-1011-23, KSMA WASH VA, LLC. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-87 to approve a Special Use Permit to authorize the establishment of a car wash at 6440 George Washington Memorial Highway. ]

OKAY, NOW ITEM THREE.

ITEM THREE.

THIS IS, UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO SECTION 24.1, UM, OF THE YORK COUNTY, UH, ZONING CODE TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A CAR WASH FACILITY ON 1.3 ACRES OF LAND.

AND THIS IS LOCATED ON GEORGE WASHINGTON HIGHWAY, AND I BELIEVE IT'S DOWN BY THE KROGER.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

SO IT'S AT, UH, 64 40 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

UH, HOW LINED HERE IN YELLOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE KROGER SHOPPING CENTER, HARLEY DAVIDSON.

UM, RIGHT ON 17, IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION, UH, FOR THE ENTRANCE INTO THE, UH, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS ALL GENERAL BUSINESS AND THE BREAD AND, UH, ALL BUSINESS USES THROUGHOUT THE, UH, IT'S A 1.3 ACRE PARCEL.

UH, THAT IS THE APPLICANT, K SMMA WASH VIRGINIA LLC, WHICH IS DOING THE, THE CAR WASH NAME WILL BE TOMMY'S EXPRESS CARWASH, WHICH IS A NATIONAL OPERATOR FOR OVER 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

UH, THEY PLAN TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND BUILD A TUNNEL CARWASH, UH, SYSTEM OF ABOUT 4,600 SQUARE FEET.

UH, WILL, UH, BE PARALLEL SOMEWHAT TO ROUTE 17.

AND, UH, WITH A CU TUNNEL INISH ENTRANCE HERE CLOSEST TO THE, UM, ENTRYWAY INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, AN EXIT, UH, NEAREST THE ADJACENT, UH, CARWASH.

UM, I SHOULD NOTE THAT ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL WHERE YOU HAD THE, UH, SELF-SERVICE WASH, UH, YOU APPROVED LAST YEAR MM-HMM.

, UM, OR I'M SORRY, TWO YEARS AGO FOR A NEW TUNNEL CAR WASH THERE ALSO.

UH, SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, THAT TUNNEL CAR WASH WILL BE THE SAME ALIGNMENT AS THAT EXISTING BUILDING THERE WHERE YOU PULL YOUR CAR INTO WASH YOUR CAR.

UM, SO IT'LL BE KIND OF, THERE'LL BE ALMOST TEEING INTO EACH OTHER.

UH, THE, THE SKETCH PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED HERE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE BUILDING, UM, THE ENTRANCE WAY OFF OF, UH, ROUTE 17 WILL BE A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.

UM, THEY WILL CLOSE ONE OF THE ENTRANCES THEY HAVE HERE IN THE BACK.

SO IT'LL JUST HAVE THE ONE ENTRANCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

, AND THEY'LL CLOSE THIS ONE.

THEY'LL HAVE, UM, VACUUM STATIONS ON ALL THE PARKING SPACES EXCEPT FOR FOUR, WHICH WILL BE THE EMPLOYEES.

UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT, WHOOPS, SORRY, WHAT? TWO FOUR BACKWARDS.

NO, IT'S NOT GOING BACKWARDS.

THERE WE GO.

I ALSO WANTED TO SHOW, UM, THESE EVERGREEN TREES.

SO MOST OF THE SITE HAS MATURE VEGETATION ON IT, AND THEY DON'T PLAN TO REMOVE ANY OF THAT VEGETATION.

UH, BUT THEY WILL ADD, UM, VEGETATION, SO SOME EVERGREEN SCREENING ALONG THIS, UM, SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ON THIS SIDE TO KIND OF FILL IN OVER HERE.

AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY TO BLOCK THE TUNNEL VIEWS FROM GOING UP OR DOWN 17.

SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT TUNNEL BECAUSE THE GUIDELINE OR THE, UM, ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR OVERLAY SAYS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE THOSE BAY DOORS AND, AND TUNNEL ENTRANCES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UH, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR OVERLAY, THEY DO HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ARE PROPOSING THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS MAINLY BRICK AND, AND GLASS AND METAL, UM, UH, VERY NICE BUILDING, UM, TO BE LOCATED THERE.

A LITTLE BIT NICER THAN THE, THE WHITE BLOCK BUILDING THAT'S THERE NOW.

UH, THEY DID SHOW, UM, THE, THE TUNNEL ENTRANCE AND EXITS, UM, FOR THE BUILDING.

A LITTLE BIT OF A NICE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.

AND THEN YOU CAN, THIS IS, UH, THE BUILDING OVERLAID ON 17 RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, UH, AT THAT INTERSECTION, UH, ENTRANCE INTO THE, UM, THE, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTER.

LET'S SEE.

SPACE AND LANDSCAPING TO THE PROPERTY, AND THERE WON'T BE ANY NECK INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

SO, UM, ONE OF THE, UM, THE PIECES THAT, UH, VDOT WANTED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON.

UH, SO THEY ASKED FOR A CONDITION TO BE INCLUDED FOR A RIGHT TURN WARRANT ANALYSIS HERE OFF OF 17.

SO, UH, WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THAT, THAT TURN WARRANT ANALYSIS, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT THIS, UH, NEW STRUCTURE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN THE EXISTING FACILITY THAT'S THERE NOW.

UM, IT WILL ADD MORE GREEN

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THE EXISTING USE WAS AN OIL CHANGE, CAR WASH, AND THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A CAR WASH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC SINCE YOU DON'T HAVE THE OIL CHANGE GOING THERE.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

UM, AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU RESOLUTION 23 DASH 87, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

IT DID, UH, UH, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, AT FIVE TO ONE.

IT'S HIS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MR. ANDERSON? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

SURE.

FOR YOU, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THIS PROJECT AS THE CAR WASH THAT WE APPROVED, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.

GOSH, TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING SO MUCH FUN.

UH, BUT THE, WHAT IS THE PRI AND I DROVE BY THE PARCELS TODAY.

, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT, UH, USE THAT WE APPROVED, UH, TWO YEARS AGO, AND ARE WE GONNA APPROVE CAR WASHES ALL UP AND DOWN THE 17 CORRIDOR? SO THIS IS, UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

THEORETICALLY, YES, YOU COULD.

, UM, I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE ON THE VERY LAST REVIEW.

SO IT SHOULD, UH, START, YOU SHOULD START SEEING MOVEMENT.

I THINK YOU'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED PUTTING UP SILT FENCE SO THEY CAN START DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, BUT WE SHOULD SEE SOME MOVEMENT THERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEIR CYCLING IS LIKE RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF BEING APPROVED.

SO IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE TWO CAR BRAND NEW CAR WASHES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

UH, YES.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE CAR WASHES ARE WITHIN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, SO YOU AS THE BOARD HAVE THE PURVIEW TO REVIEW EACH ONE THAT COMES BEFORE YOU.

UH, THAT'S INTERESTING, UH, TO HAVE TWO CAR WASHES RIGHT THERE.

IT'S, AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY, , FOR AS LONG, LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, THE TWO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.

BUT TO HAVE THE TWO TUNNEL ONES, WHICH IS DIFFERENT, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING.

I MEAN, ONE WAS A, A SELF CAR WASH, THE OTHER ONE WAS A AUTOMATIC WITH OIL CHANGE, SO, RIGHT.

THEY WERE TWO CAR WASHES, BUT TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAR WASH.

THE, UM, THE ONE WE APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO, DID THAT ALSO HAVE VACUUM STATIONS AS WELL? YES.

AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, THE VACUUM STATIONS ARE ON THE SIDE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD BE VISIBLE FROM 17, BUT THERE'LL BE SCREENING AND THINGS OUT THERE.

SO WE, WE COULD VERY WELL END UP THE SITUATION WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY, WE HAD A CORN OPERATED ONE CONTROLLED SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH ON ONE SIDE, AND YOU HAD A TUNNEL WITH OIL CHAINS AND DETAIL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO YOU HAD TWO CAR WASHES, BUT REALLY TWO DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WANT ACCOMPLISH NOW.

WE CAN END UP WITH TWO TUNNEL WASH STATIONS OKAY.

AND VACUUM STATIONS SIDE BY SIDE AT, IN THE SAME LOCATION.

AND I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THINKING ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS RIGHT TO THE NORTH AT HAMPTON ROSE, HOLLY DAVIDSON, WHO OFTEN DO PARKING LOT EVENTS UP THERE, AND THEN HAVING A WHOLE BUNCH OF VACUUM STATIONS RIGHT BESIDE THEM, GENERATING A LOT OF NOISE.

KIND OF INTRUDING UPON THAT WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE.

UM, AND NOT TO MENTION THE VACUUM STATIONS AND WHAT WE APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO ON TOP OF THAT.

SO THE CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT O OVER CAR WASH STATIONS IN ONE LOCATION.

SO I UNDERSTAND.

AND, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT, AND I'M, HE, WE DID FOREWARN HIM THAT THESE KIND OF QUESTIONS WOULD COME UP.

SO I'M, I'M SURE HE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.

WHAT, AND SINCE THAT WAS ALREADY CAR WASHED THERE, WHY DID THIS NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE REMOVING THE BUILDING.

MAKES SENSE.

AND, UM, IF THIS WAS SOMETHING REALLY NEW, THEN, UH, I THINK HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BOARD.

SO I'LL JUST ADD MY 2 CENTS WORTH IN HERE.

THIS FLIES IN THE FACE OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS, SO WE DON'T END UP THIS SITUATION.

SO I, I DON'T RECALL THE HISTORY OF THIS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THESE CO CAR WASHES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR, I'M GONNA GUESS OVER 20 YEARS.

I MEAN, SO, SO IF WE, UM, IF WE DECIDE TO, YOU KNOW, GO ALL, UH, CONAN ON THIS ISSUE AND, UH, TO CUT ONE OF 'EM OUT, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE KIND OF AN UNFAIR, UH, MOVE SINCE BOTH OF 'EM, THERE'VE BEEN TWO CAR WASHES.

BUT THIS, THIS DOES FLY IN THE FACE OF WHY WE HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNER OF LAKESIDE DRIVE ORIENTA IN 17, AT ONE TIME, WE HAD GAS STATIONS, I BELIEVE, IN ALMOST ALL FOUR CORNERS.

AND, UH, AND SURE ENOUGH, IT BECAME A DEAD ZONE FOR OVER A DECADE.

AND FINALLY, JUST NOW, JUST NOW, UH, WE ARE GETTING THE LAST OF, UH, UH, OF THE CORNERS FILLED.

AND SO WE'RE CAUTIOUS ABOUT MM-HMM.

, WE'RE CAUTIOUS ABOUT STORAGE FACILITIES.

REMEMBER, WE'VE HAD THESE ISSUES, SO STORAGE FACILITIES BEING CLOSED.

BUT THIS ONE, I JUST, THIS IS NOT THE NORM.

I MEAN, THIS IS NOT THE NORM.

AND,

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SO, OKAY.

BUT I, I MEAN THIS, YOU GUYS, I THINK YOU WOULD'VE TOLD US YOU WOULD'VE, I I JUST CAN'T SEE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF TO PUT IN TWO CAR WASS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, UH, STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT.

WASH FACILITY, UH, THAT SERVES TRADITIONAL AND NON-TRADITIONAL VEHICLES WHILE BRINGING THE PROPERTY OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE COUNTY'S AESTHETIC ENVIRONMENTAL AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

UH, LET'S SEE.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

LETS HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

NOW YOU CAN FOLLOW THAT.

YEP.

LOOK AT, UH, WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

UH, MY NAME IS TYLER ROSE.

I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM WILLIAMS MULLEN.

MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 2 22 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, SUITE 1700, VIRGINIA BEACH, VIRGINIA, UM, HERE TONIGHT, UM, BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WANTED TO THANK THE STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON THE APPLICATION AND FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

UM, ALSO WANTED TO THANK MR. ANDERSON FOR THE WONDERFUL APPLICATION.

TRY TO NOT BE DUPLICATIVE IN MY REMARKS TONIGHT.

UM, SO WANTED TO GIVE A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON TOMMY'S, UM, AS AN OPERATOR.

UM, THIS SITE WILL BE OPERATED AS A TOMMY'S CAR WASH.

THEY'RE A NATIONAL CAR WASH DEVELOPER AND OPERATOR WITH OVER 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

UM, AND THEY'RE KNOWN FOR DEPLOYING INDUSTRY LEADING TECHNOLOGIES AT THEIR LOCATIONS.

UH, THERE ARE 158 LOCATIONS CURRENTLY OPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH 99 CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO COME ONLINE FOR 257 TOTAL SITES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO THEY'RE A PRETTY BIG OPERATOR.

UM, THEY HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN VIRGINIA FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA DOWN TO RICHMOND.

UM, THEY'VE ACTUALLY APPROVED THE FIRST HAMPTON ROAD SITE IN NORFOLK IN MAY.

AND, UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO SITES, UH, OBVIOUSLY IN NEWARK COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO WITH RESPECT TO OUR PROJECT, HAVE PLANNED TO GO THROUGH, UM, SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED DURING THE, UH, APPLICATION PROCESS.

THE FIRST, OBVIOUSLY BEING MARKET SATURATION.

WHY PUT A CARWASH NEXT TO A, AN EXISTING CAR WASH? SO, UM, WE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS A REVITALIZATION OF AN EXISTING CAR WASH.

SO THERE WILL BE NO NET INCREASE IN CAR WASHES IN THE COUNTY.

UM, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING THE SITE UP TO CODE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COUNTY'S LANDSCAPING AND DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE ROUTE 17 OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND THIS WILL BE IMPROVING THE SITE WITH A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT THAN WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.

THAT WILL BE ENVIRONMENTALLY BETTER.

IT WILL BE UTILIZING, UH, VERY EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGIES, UM, AND USE LESS WATER THAN A TRADITIONAL CAR WASH.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, THEY'LL BE USING TOMMY'S, UM, VERY ADVANCED SYSTEMS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE TRADITIONAL VEHICLES AND NON-TRADITIONAL VEHICLES THAT CAN'T FIT THROUGH A STANDARD CAR WASH, UH, INCLUDING SPORTS CARS, LOWERED VEHICLES, DUALLY PICKUP TRUCKS, AND, UH, WIDE TIRE TRUCKS.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT EVERY CARWASH CAN ACCOMMODATE BY THIS CARWASH WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH TOMMY'S, THEY DO VERY EXTENSIVE MARKET AND DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSES.

UM, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS SITE WILL SUPPORT TWO CAR WASHES.

THEY, IT HAS SUPPORTED TWO CAR WASHES HISTORICALLY.

THE CRUISE THROUGH THAT WAS ON THE SITE WAS OPEN FOR 20 YEARS UNTIL, UNFORTUNATELY, IT CLOSED DUE TO COVID.

AND IF THOSE MARKET CONDITIONS DO CHANGE, AND TWO CAR WASS ARE NOT SUPPORTED HERE, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE IMPROVED FACILITY GRADE THE SITE IF IT'S NO, IF IT'S NOT AN OPERATION FOR NINE MONTHS.

SO THE COUNTY WOULD BE PROTECTED IN THAT SENSE FROM A CHANGE OF MARKING CONDITION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR EITHER EITHER OF THESE SITES.

UM, SECOND IS WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, NOISE LEVEL OF THE DRYER FANS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME UP DURING THE PROCESS.

UM, IT IS A HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORD, UH, WITH NO RESIDENCES AROUND.

SO THERE SHOULD BE NO NOISE IMPACT TO LOCAL RESIDENCES.

UM, WE'RE GONNA ABIDE BY ANY LOCAL NOISE REGULATIONS.

UM, UH, ALSO AS I MENTIONED, TOMMY'S DOES USE INDUSTRY LEADING TECHNOLOGIES.

UM, SO THAT IS IN LINE WITH MARKET, UH, STANDARDS.

SO THE, UM, THE DRYER SYSTEM WILL BE NO LOUDER THAN ANY OTHER OUT THERE, AND CERTAINLY QUIETER THAN WHAT WAS CURRENT PREVIOUSLY ON THE SITE.

UM, THIRD, WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC LEVELS, MR. ANDERSON DID NOTE THAT IT WILL BE A DECREASE OF TRAFFIC LEVELS ON THE SITE.

UM, AND LASTLY, THE, UH, VACUUM STATION, THE VISIBILITY FROM ROUTE NINE, UH, 17.

IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM ROUTE 17.

IT WILL BE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE BUILDING.

UM, AND IT WILL BE SHIELDED BY LANDSCAPING, UH, ALONG 17.

AND ALSO THAT ADDITIONAL IMPROVED, UH, EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING MM-HMM.

UM, AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE OR VISIBILITY FROM THE BACKSIDE WHERE AMENABLE TO, UM, INCREASING LANDSCAPING BACK ALONG THE KROGER AND HARLEY-DAVIDSON SIDE AS WELL.

UM, SO IN, IN CONCLUSION, WE BELIEVE THIS PROJECT PROVIDES A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE THIS PROPERTY INTO A PRODUCTIVE ASSET SERVING THE COUNTY WITH THE STATE-OF-THE-ART CAR

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UM, SO WE'VE REC REVIEWED THE CONDITIONS, UM, WE FIND THEM ACCEPTABLE.

UM, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU DO.

QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

YOU, YOU SAID IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE TRADITIONAL NON-TRADITIONAL VEHICLES AND SPORTS CARS.

PLEASE ELABORATE ON THAT.

YEAH, SO THE CONVEYOR BELT SYSTEM THAT IT USES IS TRADITIONALLY WIDER THAN THE NORMAL CONVEYOR BELT SYSTEM.

AND IT DOESN'T, AND IT'S, IT'S A FLATTER CONVEYOR BELT.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A LOT OF THESE, UH, ROLLING SYSTEMS ON THEM AS WELL.

BUT THIS IS A TRUE CONVEYOR BELT SYSTEM.

AND AS MY UNDERSTANDING OF CARDWELL'S TECHNOLOGY GOES, THE, UM, THE BRUSH SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY ONE UNIT THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE DIFFERENT SIZING OF VEHICLES.

AND IT, YEAH.

SO IT, IN TERMS, TRADITIONALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE STATIONARY.

THIS WILL ALLOW FOR MORE MOVEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE VEHICLES, WHETHER IT BE LOWERED OR WIDE TRUCK, UH, THE WIDE TRUCK, THE DOUBLE WIDE TRUCK, UH, PICKUP TRUCK.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YOU, YOU OPENED THIS DOOR.

SO NO, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST, BUT, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S TRADITIONALLY HOW THE SYSTEM ACCOMMODATES TRADITIONAL VEHICLES AND THE NON, MORE NON-TRADITIONAL VEHICLES THAT SOME CAR WASHES, UM, AREN'T ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WITHOUT EITHER, YOU KNOW, HA PROVIDING A GOOD EXPERIENCE OR, UH, UH, DOING DAMAGE SOMEWHAT TO THE VEHICLE.

SO.

NO QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? NO.

UM, SO YOU CAN HELP THE BOARD HERE UNDERSTAND MM-HMM.

, CAUSE YEAH.

WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR, UM, THE POLICIES OF THE COUNTY ARE REFLECTED IN OUR ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE AND CODES.

UM, SO HOW DO YOU LOOK OR HOW ARE WE TO LOOK AT, UM, THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT YOU HAVE IN TERMS OF, UM, WE HAVE TWO OF 'EM RIGHT UP TOGETHER.

BUT WE KNOW WHERE THERE'S OTHERS UP ALL DOWN 17, NOT, NOT CLOSE, BUT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE INTENTIONALLY SCATTERED 'EM OUT.

SO THE BUSINESS MODEL YOU HAVE HERE, IS THAT LIKE, UM, A CAR WASH SORT, LIKE A, A NEIGHBORHOOD THING? OR IS IT, I MEAN, BEFORE THESE CAR WASHES SHOWED UP, PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE NEWPORT NEWS TO, FOR A CAR WASH, YOU'RE GOING, PEOPLE KNOW WHERE BONEFISH GRILL IS OFF OF.

UH, WELL, IT'S YOUR POINT.

AND YOU'D GO ALL THE WAY OVER THERE TO GET A CAR WASH BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING AROUND, IT'S LIKE WITH TATTOOS, TATTOO PARLORS CAME IN.

THE ONLY ONE WE HAD TO, IT WAS HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

CUZ IF YOU WENT TO VIRGINIA BEACH, THERE WASN'T ONE, THERE WASN'T ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO VIRGINIA BEACH.

SO WE LOOK AT BUSINESSES COMING IN, GASOLINE, GAS STATIONS, THE WAWA, COLONIAL FARMS, ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.

YOUR MODEL, I WANNA UNDERSTAND IT.

, I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT.

SO TELL ME HOW YOU LOOK AT, HOW YOU LOOK AT A COUNTY WITH, AND YOU AND RIGHT UP NEXT TO A CAR WASH AND YOU'VE GOT CAR WASHES THERE.

HOW DOES THAT PLAY IN YOUR BUSINESS MODEL? SO IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS AND MARKET AND THAT, THAT KIND OF DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS, I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT EXACT, THOSE ANALYSES AND THE REPORTS THAT WERE GENERATED.

I KNOW TOMMY'S HAS VERY STRINGENT FRANCHISEES REQUIREMENTS.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE SITE.

UM, THEY WILL OFFER, I BELIEVE, SOME KIND OF SUBSCRIPTION MODEL TO DISCOUNTED CAR WASHES.

I BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL, UM, HAVE JUST KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL CAR WASH TYPE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD CARWASH.

BUT IN TERMS OF KIND OF WHAT YOU MEAN BY NEIGHBORHOOD CARWASH, I, I, I'M SORRY I'M NOT, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE CLOSE BY, THEY'LL GO TO THE CARWASH.

I MEAN, WHY WOULD I DRIVE IF I'M, IF I'M UP THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF GOODWOOD NECK ROAD OR SOMEWHERE CLOSE BY, WHY WOULD I DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SPORTS CENTER WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER CAR WASH? OR WHY WOULD I DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PRODUCTION DRIVE AND SHIELDS DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER CAR WASH? SO, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU CAN FIND YOUR, FIND THE BEST DEAL FINANCIALLY, WHICH WAS LIKE THE SPRAY HOSE KIND OF THING WHERE YOU PAID COINS.

AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, BY THE WAY, THERE'S ONE OF THOSE ON, UH, ON UM, UH, UH, BIG BETHEL OLD OYSTER POINT.

OYSTER POINT, OYSTER POINT.

THAT ONE.

AS I MENTIONED, YOUR COUNTY IS ANOTHER SITE THAT THEY BELIEVE THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF SUPPORT, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE IS THAT CAR WASH ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.

SO THAT, WE GOT THOSE HERE.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE BOARD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PUT TWO CAR WASHES CLOSE TOGETHER.

WE KNOW HIS HISTORY WISE THAT THEY ARE HERE, BUT HOW SHOULD WE LOOK AT CAR WASHES? MY, THE, SO TOMMY'S HAS A REPUTATION AND A CONFIDENCE OF GOING INTO A MARKET WHEN THEY FIND A GOOD DEAL AND THEY FIND A GOOD LOCATION.

AND AGAIN, APOLOGIZE.

I CAN'T SPEAK AS INTELLIGENTLY TO THE SPECIFIC MARKET ANALYSES THAT THEY DO AND THE DEMOGRAPHIC MAKEUPS.

BUT THEY HAVE VETTED THE SITE AND THEY HAVE FOUND THAT THIS IS A GOOD SITE FOR TOMMY'S.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND INTO THE HAMPTON ROADS MARKET.

THEY'VE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SITE OF NORFOLK,

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HISTORICALLY, THE TWO SITES HAVE COEXISTED.

THEY HAVE SUPPORTED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS, AND THEY DO SEE AN INCREASE PROJECTION OF POPULATION IN THIS AREA.

SO THEY BELIEVE THAT THE SITE WILL SUR NOT ONLY SURVIVE, BUT SUCCEED GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC MAKEUP OF, OF THIS AREA.

UM, SO IN TERMS OF THERE BEING OTHER CAR WASHES IN THE AREA, THEY DO BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTING AND THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE A VARIETY OF VEHICLES, WILL PROVIDE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO ALLOW THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.

I, YOU'VE SORT OF GIVEN US A PICTURE, BUT I'M NOT, NOT THE PICTURE I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

SO THANKS ANYWAY, AND I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.

I'M SORRY.

THANKS, SIR.

UM, SO, UM, IF I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, I WANT TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS.

NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOW MANY CAR WASHES WE HAVE.

GOSH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO I'LL CLOSE THAT CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, I'LL GIMME THE MOTION NUMBER HERE.

WHAT'S THE MOTION NUMBER? YEAH, I'M LOOKING FOR THE MOTION NUMBER.

GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE.

R THREE R 23 DASH 87 87, RIGHT? YEP.

YEP.

ANY QUESTIONS? NOW? DISCUSSIONS.

OKAY, GO.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROHN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 87 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

MRS. NOLL, MS. NOLL, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT NO.

UM, OKAY.

WAIT A MINUTE.

STOP.

YOU WANT TO HAVE YOU WANT GO AHEAD TALK.

I ASKED, I CALLED FOR IT, BUT I'M SORRY.

DIDN'T HEAR .

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

OH, UM, I THINK THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE NO NET INCREASE IN CAR WASHES IN THE COUNTY WAS TELLING.

AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TWO CAR WASHES BACK TO BACK NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT THEY HAVE SURVIVED IN THE PAST.

SO GIVING THAT CONSIDERATION, I GUESS I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT I'M NOT THAT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

SO, SO MY THOUGHT IS, IS THEY WERE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF CAR WASHES.

ONE WAS A SELF SERVE WHERE YOU WENT AND GOT A WAND AND YOU, YOU DID IT YOURSELF.

THE OTHER HAD AN OIL CHANGE AND A TUNNEL.

WE'RE PUTTING TWO TUNNEL, UH, CARWASH, TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT TYPES, TYPES.

KIND TWO OF THE SAME.

THEY'RE TWO PRETTY MUCH THE, THE SAME.

I THINK THAT'S A VALUABLE CORNER.

I THINK IT CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADD VALUE, UH, TO THE COUNTY AND WOULD GREATLY ENHANCE THE CITIZENS' LIVES OTHER THAN ANOTHER CAR WASH.

AND I'M GONNA NOT SUPPORT IT.

UH, I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN LINING ROUTE 17 WITH CAR WASHES.

SO, AND I, I'M NOTHING AGAINST TOMMY'S.

I THINK TOMMY'S IS A, A WONDERFUL COMPANY AND, UH, I, I WISH TOMMY'S HAD, UH, TALKED TO US EARLIER.

UH, I MIGHT BE HAVING A DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT OPINION.

SO, OKAY.

YOU WANNA, WELL, I'LL JUST SAY AFTER WE PASSED THE, THE OTHER CAR WASH, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT HOW MANY, HOW MANY IS TOO MANY.

WHY, WHY'D YOU PASS ANOTHER ONE? THERE'S ALREADY TWO IN THE COUNTY ALONG 17.

THIS WILL BE A THIRD ONE.

UM, AND IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS TONIGHT AND ESSENTIALLY END UP WITH TWO IDENTICAL TYPE OF CAR WASHES BACK TO BACK, AND SOMEONE WOULD ASKED ME WHY DID, WHY DID I AGREE TO ANOTHER CAR WASH JUST LIKE IT? I COULDN'T PASS THAT WORD FACE TEST.

I, I COULDN'T HAVE AN EXPLANATION AS TO WHY.

SO, UM, I'M, THIS, I'M STRUGGLING TO SUPPORT THIS AS IT EXISTS TODAY, AND, UH, WHY YOU'VE KIND OF HEARD ME ALREADY SAID HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.

HERE'S THE PROBLEM THOUGH.

UM, THE BUSINESS INVESTMENT AND, AND THIS WOULD, THIS, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IF THESE TWO DID NOT ALREADY EXIST TOGETHER.

IN AND, AND EVEN IF, IF IT'S AN INVESTMENT YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE, GO AHEAD AND DO IT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A REVITALIZATION.

THIS WOULDN'T, WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE NEW ONE IT BECAME IN NO, BUT THE THING IS, UM, I REMEMBER I JUST, AGAIN, I, I THINK OF ORIENTA AND THE CORNERS DOWN THERE AT LAKESIDE DRIVE, AND IT JUST, FOR, FOR DECADE, ALMOST TWO DECADES, IT WAS A DUMP.

IT WAS LEFT UNATTENDED.

AND I'M, AND I KIND OF GOT THE, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT THIS MIGHT BE WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT AGAIN.

AND, UM, IF THEY WANNA PUT THE MONEY INTO IT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE IT.

IT'S LIKE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO DOWN AND LOOK AT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, THEY'RE FALLING APART AND THERE'S A DUMP, AND I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING.

IT JUST, IT JUST HELPS.

MAYBE IT DUMPS A TOO HARD A WORD, BUT I MEAN, IT JUST, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT, UH, JUST TURNED INTO, UH, UH, SOMETHING VERY UNATTRACTIVE.

SO TO ME, GOING

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IT'S WHAT IT'S MM-HMM.

AND THAT'S, I'M KIND OF MORE INTERESTED IN, IN THE CLEANING IT UP.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, AND WE'VE HEARD THIS FROM, FROM, UH, FROM, FOR YEARS, IS THAT CITIZENS LIKE TO GO TO A SAFE, CLEAN PLACE.

THEY DON'T LIKE TO GO TO A DUMPY PLACE.

SO, ANYWAY, UM, I JUST, I PASSED THAT THOUGHT OUT.

SO ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

SO THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

YOU STARTED A ROLL CALL WITH MS. NOLL.

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

WE'RE GONNA NOW MOVE ON TO,

[4 Draft Zoning Ordinance Text Amendments - Short-Term Rental Homes. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 23-8 to amend Section 24.1-409, Standards for Boarding Houses, Tourist Home and Bed and Breakfast establishments, of the York County Zoning Ordinance. ]

UH, ITEM FOUR.

AND THIS IS CONSIDERED ADOPTION, ADOPTION OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 DASH EIGHT DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE, TAX AMENDMENT.

AND, UH, OUR FAVORITE SUBJECT IS SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES TO AMEND THE YORK COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE ON STANDARDS FOR BOARDING HOUSES, TOURIST HOMES, AND BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENTS.

MR. CROSS.

UH, UH, UH, SST R AMENDMENTS WERE ADOPTED, THERE WAS A, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR A TOURIST HOME IN QUEENS LAKE, UM, THAT WAS, UH, SUPPORTED BY ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, BUT HAD A LOT OF OPPOSITION, UH, UH, UH, IN OTHER AREAS, UH, OF QUEENS LAKE.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THIS IS OUR FAVORITE TOPIC.

UM, JUST A FEW NUMBERS.

UH, COUNTY HAS APPROVED 43 SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS SINCE 1995.

I'M SORRY.

WE'VE HAD 43 APPLICATIONS.

30 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED, SEVEN HAVE BEEN DENIED.

SIX WERE WITHDRAWN.

UH, USUALLY AFTER GETTING A STRONG, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 18 APPROVED STRS IN OPERATION.

UM, SOME HAVE, UH, DISCLOSED GONE BY THE WAYSIDE.

UH, PEOPLE HAVE, SOMETIMES THE OPERATORS DIED.

UH, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE WHERE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, BUT THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN STARTED, STARTED YET.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 18, UH, AND DATE WE'VE HAD ZERO ZONING VIOLATIONS PROBLEMS, OR CITIZEN CITIZEN COMPLAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THE LEGALLY ESTABLISHED STRS IN THE COUNTY.

UH, I MENTIONED WE HAD 43 APPLICATIONS.

UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST NINE YEARS.

BACK, UH, 2015 WHEN THE WHOLE AIRBNB PHENOMENON STARTED TO TAKE OFF.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE BAR THERE REPRESENTS SHORT TERM APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

THAT WOULD BE TOURIST HOMES OR BED AND BREAKFASTS.

UM, AND, UH, THEN THE RED BAR IS ALL THE OTHER APPLICATIONS.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN KIND OF UP AND DOWN SINCE 2015.

UH, IT WAS ON THE WAY UP, AND THEN OF COURSE, 2020 WAS NOT A GOOD YEAR FOR TOURISM OR INVITING STRANGERS TO STAY IN YOUR HOUSE.

SO, UH, NUMBERS WERE DOWN AND THEY WENT BACK UP AGAIN FOR A LITTLE.

AND WE HAD A BIG, WE HAD A LOT OF 'EM IN 2022, UH, IN THE, IN THE FISCAL YEAR.

UH, JUST ENDED WELL, AS FAR AS FOR THE COMMISSION, IT, IT HAS ENDED.

UH, WE ONLY HAD FOUR.

SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BEEN UP AND DOWN.

WHAT ARE THE OTHERS? YOU SAID ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS.

ALL OTHERS.

IT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU A IDEA OF THE SCALE OF SHORT TERM RAISE RENTAL APPLICATIONS IN RELATION TO GOT IT.

THE TOTAL CASELOAD.

AND, AND, UH, THIS IS BASED ON APPLICATIONS THAT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU A FULLER PICTURE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE APPLICATIONS YOU JUST NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO SEE BECAUSE THEY WERE WITHDRAWN CUZ UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, STRONGLY RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

AND SO THE APPLICANTS WITHDREW, UH, BACK IN 2019, UH, YOU ALL DIRECTED THE STAFF IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, UH, UH, TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME, UH, GUIDELINES, STANDARDS, UH, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND, UH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ITS FIRST WORK SESSION ON THE TOPIC BACK IN AUGUST OF THAT YEAR.

AND, UH, AFTER A LENGTHY PERIOD OF RESEARCH ANALYSIS AND DELIBERATION, A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS WERE PROPOSED AND PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AT ITS MARCH, 2020 MEETING.

UH, THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY.

AND I TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE I JUST, UH, THERE'S KIND OF A MISCONCEPTION OUT THERE THAT, UH, SOMEHOW THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION JUST DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE BOARD'S REQUEST, WHICH IS NOT TRUE.

UH, WE DID, UH, WE FULFILLED THAT REQUEST ON MARCH 17TH, 2020.

UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WAS INITIATED, NOT BY THE BOARD, BUT ACTUALLY BY THE STAFF FOLLOWING A SERIES OF MEETINGS MR. MORGAN AND I HAD WITH A, UH, THREE RESIDENTS OF QUEENS LAKE, TWO OF 'EM, OR ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH TONIGHT.

UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE,

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SO IT WAS ULTIMATELY DENIED.

AND IN, IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT EPISODE, UH, THIS TEAM OF, OF THREE RESIDENTS WHO WERE KIND OF PART OF THE OPPOSITION, I GUESS, TO THAT APPLICATION, APPROACHED THE COUNTY, UH, TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRICTER STANDARDS, UH, AND GUIDELINES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UH, SO AS I SAID, UH, MR. MORGAN AND I MET WITH THEM.

UH, WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.

UH, WE HAD THREE MEETINGS AND, UH, THEN WE DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING THE PLANNING COMMISSION INTO THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO WE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION BACK IN JULY OF 2021.

AND IT WASN'T THE ORDINARY WORK SESSION, TYPICALLY WORK SESSION IS JUST FOR THE, THE BODY TO, TO DISCUSS AMONGST THEMSELVES.

BUT THIS WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO BE BACK AND FORTH SO THAT THE PEOPLE, UH, THE, UH, THE TEAM THAT WAS PRESENTING THESE IDEAS, UH, COULD HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMISSION AND EX, YOU KNOW, FULLY EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE BEHIND THEIR SUGGESTIONS.

AND COMMISSION COULD ASK QUESTIONS.

UH, AND IT, I FELT IT WAS A GOOD, UH, UH, A GOOD EXERCISE.

WE ALSO INVITED THE, UH, UH, OPERATORS OF EXISTING, UH, TOURIST HOMES IN BED AND BREAKFAST IN THE COUNTY TO ATTEND THAT WORK SESSION.

AND MANY OF THEM DID, AND THEY PARTICIPATED.

AND THE IDEA THERE WAS OTHER COMMISSION COULD GET ALL PERSPECTIVES.

SO, UH, THEN THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE FEEDBACK, UH, DISCUSSED THE, UH, RESULTS AT ITS FALL NEXT MEETING IN AUGUST.

AND THEN THEY HAD ANOTHER MEETING TO DISCUSS, UH, IN DECEMBER.

UH, ALL ULTIMATELY, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, WORKED ON THE, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE AND HAD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING BACK IN, UH, DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

UH, AND WHEN I, WHEN I, I WANNA SAY THE COMMISSION, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WAS UNANIMITY AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, I THINK THERE WERE ONLY TWO ITEMS, UH, WHERE THERE WAS UNANIMITY.

UH, IN MOST, IN ALL THE OTHER CASES, IT WAS EITHER SIX TO ONE OR OR FIVE TO TWO.

UH, SO WHEN TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSION, I'M REALLY TALKING THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UM, SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, RELATIVELY MODEST.

DOESN'T LIVE NEXT DOOR BUT LIVES TWO DOORS DOWN? UH, WHAT IF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHAT IF THE OWNER'S MOTHER LIVES NEXT DOOR? AS WAS THE CASE YOU MAY RECALL OF ONE THAT WAS APPROVED ON PENMAN ROAD NOT TOO LONG AGO.

BECAUSE THE GENERAL ATTITUDE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IS BASICALLY THAT YOU DO NOT NEED A LOT OF HARD AND FAST RULES WHEN EACH PROPOSED STR AND A RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND IS, UH, EVALUATED ON THE BASIS OF ITS INDIVIDUAL MERITS.

UH, NOW ONE EXCEPTION IS THE PROPOSAL, UH, THAT'S IN THE AMENDMENTS TONIGHT TO, UH, REQUIRE ALL S STR APPROVALS TO RUN WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER RATHER THAN THE LAND.

UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BY POLICY FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.

WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING IT THROUGH SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS.

UH, UNLIKE ALL OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS, WHICH RUN WITH, UH, RUN WITH THE LAND, UH, THE, UH, S STR APPROVALS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU ALL, FOR AT LEAST THE PAST YEAR, UH, UH, HA HAVE HAD A CONDITION SAYING THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY IS TRANSFERRED, UH, THE USE PERMIT GOES AWAY, IT'S NULL AND VOID.

AND SO WE THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO, UH, CO CODIFY THAT, UH, RATHER THAN DO IT BY INDI, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, UH, JUST PUT IT IN THE CODE AND MAKE IT A RULE FOR ALL S STR R APPROVALS, WHETHER USE PERMITS OR Y V APPROVALS.

AND THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT THERE WAS A UNANIMITY.

UH, AND THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE THAT'S, UH, IN THE AMENDMENTS.

BEFORE YOU, UH, THE COMMISSION SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE ISSUE OF RESIDENCY SHOULD THE OWNER BE REQUIRED TO RESIDE IN THE HOME OR AN ADJACENT PREMISES WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.

AND I THINK EVERYONE IS PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT IS THE IDEAL SCENARIO.

UH, WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE OWNER IN THE HOUSE OR NEARBY, THEY CAN MONITOR GUEST BEHAVIOR AND PREVENT PROBLEMS FROM, UH, FROM HAPPENING BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.

UH, AND, UH, I THINK THE, THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT WAY TOO, BUT, AND THEY WANTED TO, TO CODIFY THAT WHILE LEAVING THE DOOR OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S THE VALUE OF THE USE PERMIT PROCESS.

I HAVE YOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WHAT IF THE OWNER

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UH, WHAT IF THE PROPERTY HAS NO NEIGHBORS SUCH AS THE, UH, TOURIST HOME THAT WAS APPROVED ON GOOLEY ROAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHERE IT WAS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY UNINHABITED PROPERTY, MOST OF WHICH WAS OWNED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.

SO THE COMMISSION WANTED TO LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN FOR CONSIDERATION OF UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THAT.

AND SO, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE IS REALLY A CHANGE OF EMPHASIS, UH, RATHER THAN POLICY.

UH, IT MAKES CLEAR THAT THE DEFAULT IS FOR THE, UH, UH, THE, IS FOR THE, UH, OWNER TO BE IN THE HOUSE OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES, BUT IT DOES ALLOW THE BOARD TO AUTHORIZE, UH, ALTERNATIVE SITUATIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SO, SO, TIM? YES, SIR.

SO THE CASE WHERE WE HAD THE YOUNG LADY UP THERE THAT MOVED DOWN HERE, BUT HAD A NEIGHBOR, UH, WHO'S BASICALLY HIS, HE, HE VOLUNTEERED TO WASH THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THAT'S GONNA WORK IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT THE GROUP CAME UP WITH, UH, THAT EVERYBODY LIKED WAS THAT THE, UH, SDR OWNERS BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN A GUEST LOG BOOK.

THAT'S THE ONE.

UH, AND SO THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

A LOT OF OTHER LOCALITIES, UH, HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

AND THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS THE OTHER ITEM ON WHICH THERE WAS, UH, THE OPINION WAS UNANIMOUS.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF DENSITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE, KINDA LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY IS TOO MANY AND SHOULD THERE BE SOME KIND OF RULE, LIKE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE OF HOMES IN A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER THAT'S DEFINED, UH, THAT ARE OPERATED AS TOURIST HOMES.

AND, UH, THE COMMISSION STRUGGLED WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE, UH, ANY NUMBER THAT YOU PUT ON IT IS GONNA BE INHERENTLY ARBITRARY.

AND, UH, IN THE END, THEY DECIDED, UH, NOT TO DO THAT.

UH, BUT TO ADD IT AS A CONSIDERATION, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL AND THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE EVALUATING A USE PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, YOU CAN CONSIDER, UH, ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, OTHER TOURIST HOMES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UH, AND AGAIN, THE GOAL HERE IS TO MAINTAIN THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS NOT, UH, AS FAR AS LIMITING THE PROXIMITY OR OR NUMBER OF TOURIST HOMES, UH, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMONLY DONE IN, UH, VIRGINIA.

IN FACT, WE COULDN'T FIND A LOCALITY THAT HAS SUCH A RULE.

UH, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OUT WEST, UH, OUT IN OREGON, WASHINGTON, UH, CALIFORNIA, NEW MEXICO, THAT HAVE RULES LIKE THIS.

YOU KNOW, UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE A TOURIST HOME WITHIN 300 FEET OF ANOTHER TOURIST HOME, UH, ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S DONE IN VIRGINIA, AT LEAST NOT YET.

UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, SHOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF RENTAL NIGHTS A YEAR, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF LOCALITIES DO, A LOT OF LOCALITIES DON'T.

UH, IT TYPICALLY LIMITS THE RANGE.

UH, LIMITS TYPICALLY RANGE FROM SIXTY, NINETY, A HUNDRED AND FOUR, UH, NIGHTS A YEAR.

AND, UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 104 THAT REPRESENTS, UH, 52 WEEKENDS, UM, OR, UH, LIKE 180 TO KEEP IT BELOW HALF THE YEAR.

AND AGAIN, THE INTENT HERE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION IS TO PRESERVE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER BY NOT ALLOWING, BY MAKING SURE THAT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY IS ANCILLARY TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BY LIMITING THE NUMBER OF RENTAL NIGHTS.

SO IT'S MAINLY A HOUSE, MAINLY A RESIDENCE, UH, UH, BUT YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RENT IT OUT OR RENT ROOMS OUT, UH, A, A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF NIGHTS A YEAR.

UH, AGAIN, THE COMMISSION, UH, STRUGGLED WITH THE ARBITRARINESS OF ESTABLISHING A, A

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NUMBER LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION.

AND SO THEY ENDED UP, UH, UH, RECOMMENDING LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE AMENDMENTS TO SAY THAT, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF RENTAL LIGHTS PER YEAR WHEN EVALUATING A, ANY GIVEN APPLICATION, BUT NOT TO PUT IN A BLANKET, UH, NUMBER AND MAKE THAT A HARD AND FAST RULE.

UM, ANOTHER OF THE, THIS LAST ONE ON THE, ON THE SLIDE HERE WAS ACTUALLY DID NOT COME FROM THE, UH, UH, THE CITIZENS GROUP.

UH, IT'S ONE THAT STAFF CAME UP WITH, UH, AND THAT IS TO REMOVE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, THAT REQUIRES THE OWNER OF A BED AND BREAKFAST TO BE THE ONSITE OPERATOR OR PROVIDER.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU HAVE, UH, UH, THE HORNSBY HOUSE INN ON, UH, RIGHT HERE IN YORKTOWN, WHICH HAS OPERATED SUCCESSFULLY FOR SINCE 2011, I BELIEVE, UH, WITH AN ONSITE MANAGER WHO IS NOT THE OWNER.

AND THE FEELING ON OUR PART, ON THE COMMISSION'S PART, UH, WAS THAT AS LONG AS THERE'S AN ONSITE MANAGER, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T MATTER IF THAT'S THE OWNER OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE OWNER.

UH, AND SO, UH, WE PROPOSED TAKING THAT LANGUAGE OUT OF THE ORDINANCE.

, UH, YOU MAY, UH, YOU MAY, UH, RECALL FROM THE NUMBER OF, UH, APPLICATIONS Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, STANDARD BOILER PLATE CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT REGULATE THE USE OF EXTERIOR COOKING APPLIANCES BY GUESTS, UH, FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UH, THESE COME OUT OF OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

AND, UH, THE FEELING THERE WAS THAT IF THESE ARE GONNA BE CONDITIONS FOR EVERY USE PERMIT FROM NOW ON, UH, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT IT IN THE CODE AND, UH, JUST MAKE IT A STANDARD, UH, REQUIREMENT.

DO WANNA NOTE THAT, UH, EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE LEGALLY ESTABLISHED ARE GRANDFATHERED AND NOT SUBJECT TO WHATEVER CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, YOU ALL MIGHT ADOPT.

SO, UH, THE AMENDMENTS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, THEY REFLECT THE GUIDANCE THAT WE GOT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOLLOWING A VERY THOROUGH VETTING PROCESS.

UM, WE MAINTAIN THE CASE BY CASE REVIEW IN ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

IN NO CASE IS A TOURIST HOME PERMITTED, UH, AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND BEFORE YOU ALL, AS IS THE CASE RIGHT NOW, NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.

UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF LOCALITIES THAT DO HAVE THAT.

THEY HAVE A LITTLE CHECKLIST, AND IF YOU CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES, YOU GET AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

BUT WE'VE NEVER FELT THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT HERE IN YORK COUNTY.

AND SO WE DON'T PROPOSE TO CHANGE THAT.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS SET FORTH IN ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 DASH EIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED THESE BACK IN DECEMBER, LAST DECEMBER, AND VOTED FIVE TWO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

SO, UH, WITH THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

CAN BOARDS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, ARE THERE ANY AREAS, MR. CROSS, WHERE THERE ANY AREAS THAT ARE ZONING ORDINANCE PROHIBITS, JUST BLANKETLY PROHIBITS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS? UH, I, I THINK THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY, UH, PROHIBITED IN IL LIMITED INDUSTRIAL, GENERAL INDUSTRIAL MM-HMM.

IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, LIKE GENERAL BUSINESS PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

CUZ THERE, IT REALLY IS A COMMERCIAL FACILITY IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

UH, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL LIKE RC THAT WOULD BE OR ANYTHING THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW.

UH, WE HAVE THIS BIZARRE, NOT BIZARRE.

WE HAVE THIS ONE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ZONED R SEVEN.

IT'S THE ONLY R SEVEN NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COUNTY.

I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THEY'RE PROHIBITED IN, IN THE R SEVEN DISTRICT OR NOT.

ESTABLISHMENT IS LOCATED IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

SHEILA? WELL, I KNOW THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, BUT OTHERWISE NO.

OKAY, STEVEN? UH, YEAH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO ITEM LINE D SAYS, WANNA BED AND BREAKFAST

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THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR THE PROVIDER SHALL LIVE IN THE PREMISES, OR THE PROVIDER HAS BEEN ADDED TO THAT LANGUAGE.

IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS STATEMENT, TELL ME THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

CAN, CAN YOU GIMME THAT LINE NUMBER AGAIN? I'M SORRY.

IT'S D AND I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? D E D D AS IN DOG.

OH, D OH, WHEN A BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENT IS LOCATED IN THE RESIDENTIAL CITY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

UH, THE IDEA THAT THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, ONSITE MANAGER NEED NOT BE THE OWNER AS IN THE CASE OF THE HORNSBY HOUSE IN BED AND BREAKFAST HERE IN YORKTOWN.

AND THIS IS THAT, THAT, AND THAT LINE IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO BED B AND BS, NOT BED AND BREAKFAST, CORRECT? NOT THE STRS.

UM, ONE THING I, ONE, ONE THING, THE VERBIAGE IN THE PUBLISHED AGENDA IS THERE, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE LARGE PDF AGENDA THAT WE GET FOR REVIEW, AND IT'S MADE FOR SOME CONFUSION IN ME TRYING TO READ BETWEEN THE, THE TWO OF THEM.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, I NOTICED WHERE WORDS LIKE PROPRIETOR HAS BEEN STRUCK IN SOME CASES, BUT OTHER CASES IT WASN'T STRUCK IN PROVIDERS USE INSTEAD OF PROPRIETOR OR, UM, AT ANY, THE VERBIAGE GOES BACK AND FORTH.

IT MAKES, IT, MAKES IT KIND OF DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW.

WHAT, WHAT I'M WELL, WE TR YEAH, WE TRY.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, AND WE TRIED TO TAKE THAT OUT.

BUT I DO SEE ONE CASE HERE WHERE IT SAYS, UH, OWNER OPERATOR, UH, WHERE IT REALLY SHOULD JUST SAY, OWNER, UH, THE, THE, THE ONE THAT YOU ALLUDED TO WAS, UH, WHERE IT SAYS THE OWNER OR THE PROVIDER.

THAT'S BY DESIGN BECAUSE WE PROVIDE YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO A, A COUPLE OF THIS IS, I, LIKE I LIKEN IT.

IS IT ADDED IN THE, UM, CODIFIES THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT RUNNING WITH THE OWNER? I LIKE THAT THAT'S ADDED IN THERE.

UM, UH, I LIKE THAT A GUEST LOG BOOK IS BEING REQUIRED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I LIKE THAT THE DISTINCTION OR THE EXPLANA EXPECTATION ON WHAT EXTERIOR COOKING APPLIANCES CAN BE USED.

THERE'S A FUEL SOURCE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CHARCOAL AND SO FORTH.

THIS SITUATION, IT DOES WORK.

SO THO THOSE ARE GOOD ADDITIONS.

UM, SOME CONCERNS I HAVE THOUGH, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OPTION TO DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY TO WATCH THE PROPERTY, IF THE BOARD DEEMS THAT THE OWNER DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON SITE, I, I, I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY TACKLES WHAT THE STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS FOR THOSE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES TO BE OTHER THAN BEING PROMPT AND RES RESPONSIVE.

I THINK WE NEED, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE IT TO SAY? UM, I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT TIMEFRAMES, HOW QUICKLY, HOW QUICKLY THEY RESPOND.

THINGS THEY RESPOND TO BEING OPEN TO THEIR ACCESSIBLE BY THEIR, BY THEIR NEIGHBORS.

SO IF THEY NEED TO BE CONTACT, SAY, HEY, I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I'M HAVING ALL THIS PROBLEM WITH FLASHING LIGHTS CUZ OF A PARTY, WHATNOT.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET, THE NEIGHBORS CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH AS WELL.

SO, AND, AND I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THAT WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

CUZ WE'VE HAD SOME CASES IN THE PAST WHERE WE START TO DEFINE WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE AND THE PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED THAT, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE REQUIRED TO DO ALL THAT.

AND WE DON'T WANNA WALK INTO ANY SURPRISES LIKE THAT GOING FORWARD.

UM, AND AS FAR AS OWNER VERSUS RESPONSIBLE PARTIES, I'M PRETTY SENSITIVE TO CONCERNS ABOUT, AND, AND I'LL USE THIS TERM LOOSELY, BUT ABSENT OWNERS, UM, OWNERS THAT AREN'T NEAR THE PROPERTY.

I, I'VE, I I'VE SPOKEN WITH PEOPLE IN BUSINESS AREAS WHERE THEY'RE OWNERS OF THEIR BUILDINGS DON'T LIVE IN THE SAME STATE, MAYBE NOT EVEN THE SAME COUNTRY, AND THEY'RE VERY UNRESPONSIVE TO NEEDS AND PROBLEMS THAT, THAT THEY'RE HAVING.

THE, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT MANAGE THE PROPERTIES ARE SLOW TO SLOW TO RESPOND.

AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT SAME PROBLEM MOVE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AS WELL.

SO, UM, TOO MUCH LEEWAY IN BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY A RESPONSIBLE PARTY BRINGS ME SOME CONCERN.

I REALLY THINK THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF WHAT THEY'RE WRITTEN, NOT NECESSARILY NEXT DOOR, BUT STILL HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME SO THAT IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIVING IT WITH, WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, WELL, IF YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PROTECTED.

BUT YEAH, THE COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT THIS AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT INTO THIS DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU SET THE LIMIT? IS IT FIVE MINUTES? IS IT FIVE MILES? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THERE IN YORKTOWN AND FIVE MILES TO PUT YOU ACROSS THE WATER? YOU COULD HAVE A BRIDGE OPENING.

UH, AND THE FEELING WAS THAT, UM, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD WOULD EXERCISE THEIR JUDGMENT AS THEY DO CURRENTLY, SAY, WELL, IN THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T WORK IN

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I MENTIONED THE BRIAN RANDALL APPLICATION ON PENMAN ROAD.

HE LIVED ABOUT 20 MINUTES AWAY IN NEWPORT NEWS, BUT HIS MOTHER LIVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ENTERED INTO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THAT APPLICATION.

UH, AND THEN I MENTIONED THE OTHER, IN INSTANCE, YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING ABLE TO PROMPTLY RESPOND TO, TO THE NEIGHBORS AND, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED THAT OTHER, UH, UH, TOURIST HOME ON GO GOOLEY ROAD WHERE THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDED BY UNINHABITED, INHABITED PROPERTY.

THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO BE AFFECTED BY ANYTHING.

SO IN THAT CASE, THE UH, OWNERS LIVE IN JAMES CITY COUNTY ABOUT 30 MINUTES AWAY.

AND AGAIN, THE BOARD COMMISSION EXERCISED THEIR DISCRETION AND SAID, WELL, IN THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS NECESSARY THAT THE PERSON BE, THAT THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, BE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN FIVE MILES OR FIVE MINUTES.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND WE HAVE THAT DISCRETION.

I JUST, I JUST THINK THE VERBIAGE NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP MORE TO SET THAT EXPECTATION AS PEOPLE APPLY FOR THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

UM, IS IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

I THINK ONE THING WE WANT TO DO IS PROTECT THE COUNTY AND, AND OUR NEIGHBORS FROM INVEST PEOPLE FROM OUTTA STATE, EVEN OUTTA COUNTRY BUYING A PROPERTY IN NEW YORK COUNTY AS AS SHORT TERM RENTAL INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.

YOU, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE EXPECTATION THAT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENCE, BUT IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, WE CAN EASILY GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE HOUSES ARE BOUGHT UP AROUND THE COUNTY AS PRIMARILY A SHORT TERM RENTAL INVESTMENT OPPORTUNITY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY MEETS THE CHARACTER OF THE COUNTY.

WE WANT PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY TO MONETIZE IT IN THIS WAY IF THEY CHOOSE.

SO I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO BUILD A, A INDUSTRY OR BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY OF PEOPLE BUYING UP SHORT PROPERTIES JUST FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL USES.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND ONE, ONE OF THOSE, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT NE YOU NEVER SAW BECAUSE IT WAS WITHDRAWN, WAS THAT KIND OF SITUATION WHERE SOME I REMEMBER THAT ONE.

CLEARLY PURCHASED A PROPERTY MM-HMM.

AND CARVE A GARDENS AS AN INVESTMENT TO OPERATE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

THE COMMISSION WAS UNANIMOUS IN RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THAT.

THEY ENDED UP WITHDRAWING THE APPLICATION.

SO IT NEVER CAME BEFORE YOU.

SO HOW DOES THIS, THIS CURRENT CHANGING OR THE EXISTING CODE THAT WE HAVE PROTECT US FROM THAT OTHER, THAT WE HAVE TO, WE AS SUPERVISORS REVIEW EACH CASE MM-HMM.

, IS THAT WHAT RIGHT.

YOU REVIEW EACH CASE, THE NEXT CIRCUMSTANCES OF EACH CASE, UH, AND EACH SITE.

WHAT, WHAT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT HERE, WHEN I SAW, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIKE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OPTING OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, AND THAT'S HOW THEY OPT OUT.

THEY OPT, THEY OPT NOT THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

THEY OPT OUT THROUGH THEIR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION IF THEY'RE IN ASSOCIATION.

, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION BUSINESS NO.

FOR THE COUNTY.

CUZ SOMETIMES MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THE NEIGHBORS OR OR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS HAVE USED THE COUNTY AS A CLUB TO KINDA GET THEIR THEIR MEMBERS IN LINE.

AND THAT'S NEVER A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE.

UM, SO RICHARD, UM, HOW MUCH VARIATION, I MEAN, IN THE, IN THE GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, UH, FOR EVERYBODY THAT WORKED ON IT, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THINGS, NO ONE'S GONNA EVER AGREE ON EVERYTHING.

UH, AND, AND IN THE END, I THINK WE'RE STILL KIND OF WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE STARTED, RIGHT? UM, BUT WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING NUMBERS AND LIMITATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THIS, HOW, HOW CLOSE TO GETTING CROSSWISE WITH THE COURT SYSTEM ARE WE? WELL, THE ISSUE IS, THE ISSUE IS ALWAYS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY ARTICULATE A BASIS FOR SOMETHING.

AND IF YOU HAVE IT SET FORTH IN YOUR STATUTE, THEN YOU CAN SAY YOU EITHER COMPLY WITH THIS OR YOU DON'T COMPLY WITH.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF PUTTING SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

BUT I WOULD NOTE AS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH NUMERICAL LIMITS OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT WHEN IT COMES TO ANY LAND USE DECISION IS THAT, UM, THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY, IN MANY CASES, ECONOMIC DECISIONS, WHICH THE VIRGINIA COURTS HAVE SAID IS NOT A LAND USE CONSIDERATION.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU RUN THE RISK OF RUNNING A FOUL OF THE COURTS.

IS THE COURT MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT YOUR DECISION HERE WAS BASED ON ECONOMIC, NOT ONLY END USE CONSIDERATION.

SO, SO WE JUST HAD SORT OF SOMETHING WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHEN WE MM-HMM.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE DELIBERATE ON DELIBERATE ON THESE THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.

SO IT'S A LANDMINE.

THIS DOCUMENT, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED PLENTY OF INPUT, WOULD THIS DOCUMENT BENEFIT FROM A FEW MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS, SOME MORE DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN YOUR OPINION? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE IS LEFT TO DISCUSS.

UM, MR. SHEPARD, I HAVE SURE, GO AHEAD.

TWO MORE QUESTIONS FROM MR. CROSS.

UH, IF YOU COULD TELL ME TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.

WOULD

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WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LONG LI LIST OF FAIR.

FAIR ENOUGH.

WHAT IS THE RATIONALE ABOUT HAVING THE OWNER OR THE PROPERTY, UH, MANAGER THERE WHEN THEY LIGHT AND EXTINGUISH FIRE PITS? WELL, UH, I HAVE TO SPEAK FOR FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

UH, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THE, THE FIRE CODE THAT APPLY TO RENTAL PROPERTIES VERSUS, UH, UH, OWNER-OCCUPIED PROPERTIES.

AND I THINK THAT ENTERED INTO IT.

UM, A LOT OF IT, THE CONCERN THAT WAS ARTICULATED, UH, IS THAT A RENTER AS OPPOSED TO AN OWNER WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO KNOW IF THERE'S A BURN BAN IN PLACE, AND LESS LIKELY TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE RESTRICTIONS ON OPEN BURNING.

SO, UH, THAT'S REALLY WHY THEY'VE BEEN RECOMMENDING THOSE, UH, CONDITIONS WITH EACH OF THESE APPLICATIONS.

MAKES SENSE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

GOOD.

ONE PER DAY, NO MORE THAN TWO IN A SEVEN DAY PERIOD.

UH, LET'S SEE.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP.

FIRST ONE WE'LL CALL ON IS, UH, RICHARD HOWELL.

MR. HOWELL, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YOU GOT THREE MINUTES ALL TIME SITTING .

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS RICHARD HOWWELL.

I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE DRIVE.

FIRST THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR THE HARD WORK.

UH, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO PARTNER AND HELP AS MUCH AS WE COULD, AS, AS CITIZENS, TO GIVE OUR INPUT, AND I APPRECIATE, UM, MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD.

UM, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH.

ONE OF THE TERMS THAT'S USED AND THROWN AROUND IS OUR ARBITRARY, THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AS BOARD MEMBERS, AND YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOMETHING TO HELP US IN OUR DELIBERATIONS.

WE NEED SOME THINGS TO KIND OF HANG OUR HAT ON.

WE NEED GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS.

THE WHOLE TERM ARBITRARY TALKS TO THE FACT THAT IT'S BASED ON A RANDOM CHOICE OR PERSONAL WHIM, IF YOU WILL.

UH, IT'S UNRESTRAINED AND AUTOCRATIC IN THE USE OF AUTHORITY CHOICE MADE WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC CRITERION OR RESTRAINT.

SO THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER OR SOME CRITERION THAT YOU ESTABLISHED THAT SAYS, THIS IS OUR STANDARD, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEVIATE AS A BOARD, BUT IN GENERAL, THIS IS WHAT WE ACCEPT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, NO, YOU DON'T, THEN THE DECISION BY ITS NATURE CAN BE ARBITRARY.

SO OUR HOPE WAS TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS, AS MR. ROHN HAS SAID, A LITTLE MORE TIGHTENED UP TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL TO HANG YOUR HAT ON.

NOW, AS A CITIZEN GROUP, WE OFFERED ANY NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES, SOLUTIONS, NONE OF WHICH WE DREAMED UP.

ALL RIGHT? WE WENT OUT AND DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AROUND THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST HERE IN VIRGINIA, TO TRY TO BRING IDEAS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

SOME WERE CAPTURED AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT SOME, LIKE THE DENSITY TO TRY TO AT LEAST GET OUR HANDS AROUND IT, EITHER DOING IT BY DISTRICT OR DOING IT BY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING WHERE YOU ESTABLISH IN AN RR YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THIS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DONE LIKE THAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.

THOSE WERE SOME IDEAS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, BUT NOT TAKEN.

WE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, AS MR. ROH HIGHLIGHTED SOME, THE, SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY USED PROMPTLY RESPOND.

HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? IF YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING AROUND IT, THEN ANY DECISION THEN BECOMES SUSPECT TO, TO ARBITRARINESS.

JUST THE WHOLE IDEA THAT THE OWNER IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS THERE TO BE, FOR THEM TO BE PERSONALLY AVAILABLE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY BECOME THE NEIGHBOR'S PROBLEMS. MM-HMM.

SO IF THEY'RE NOT PERSONALLY INVOLVED, IF THEY DON'T RESPOND PERSONALLY, IT BY DE FACT BECOMES THE NEIGHBOR'S PROBLEMS. THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IN HERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET TO.

UM, AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU SOME NOTES, BUT TALKING ABOUT, UM, UH, THE BED AND BREAKFAST, UH, SOME THINGS JUST OBVIOUSLY LEFT OUT OF THIS.

THEY DON'T TALK TO TRASH, THEY TALK TO TENTS, THEY TALK TO EVENTS

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AND THEN THEY TALK 48 HOURS FOR TEAR DOWN FOR EACH.

BY FACT, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH TENTS THAT ARE THERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THAT 48 HOURS IS GONNA RUN INTO THE NEXT EVENT FOR THE SETUP AND THE TEAR DOWN.

SAME WITH THE LATRINES, ET CETERA.

I'M OVER MY TIME, BUT LOTS OF THOUGHTS.

GOOD THOUGHTS.

I GUESS TOM CHAMBERLAIN, GOOD EVENING.

I'M TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD, WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, THIS IS A, A GOOD DOCUMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT HAS GONE INTO IT, BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETE.

UM, AND, AND I LOOK AT, I WENT ONLINE THIS AFTERNOON AND I LOOKED AT AVAILABLE AIRBNBS, SO I JUST SEARCHED THE MIDWEEK IN JULY OR WEEK IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY.

AIRBNBS, WHAT'S AVAILABILITY? AND KINGS CREEK PLANTATION ALONE HAD 28 UNITS AVAILABLE FOR THAT WEEK.

AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS TIMESHARES USED TO BE WE WOULD BUY A WEEK AND YOU WOULD OWN THAT WEEK AND TIMESHARE.

AND THAT WORKED OUT WELL FOR A WHILE.

AND THEN THE COSTS OF MAINTENANCE WENT UP AND OUT CAME THE TIMESHARE CANCELLATION INDUSTRY.

I OWNED A TIMESHARE IN WILLIAMSBURG FOR $3,500.

I FORCED THE OWNER, THE DEVELOPER, TO TAKE THAT TIMESHARE BACK AND NO LONGER OWN IT.

SO THE DEVELOPER NOW IS STUCK WITH ALL OF THESE TIMESHARES, AND THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF 'EM THAT ARE BEING RETURNED.

IT'S BECOME A BIG BUSINESS.

AND SO THE ONLY WAY THEY'VE GOT TO GENERATE REVENUE IS THEY RENT THEM AND THEY RENT 'EM ON AIRBNB, AND THEY'RE RENTING 'EM BY THE TONS.

AND EVERY SINGLE TIMESHARE UNIT AROUND HERE IS NOW BECOMING A QUASI HOTEL THROUGH AIRBNB.

AND THAT CONCERNS ME THAT THE THINKING IS STILL THAT THESE ARE TIMESHARES THAT ARE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS, NOT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPERS THAT, THAT OWN THEM.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT WE, UM, EITHER SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ASK A DIFFERENT ASSIGNMENT, IS LET'S START LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THESE TIMESHARES, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPETING WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE AIRBNBS.

THEY'RE COMPETING WITH THE HOTELS, AND WHETHER THEY'RE COLLECTING THE TAXES OR NOT, WHO KNOWS? BECAUSE THERE IS NO SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALL THOSE AIRBNBS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND AGAIN, I LOOKED AT ONE WEEK IN JULY, ONE LOCATION, 28 UNITS AVAILABLE.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

CATHERINE DAGGER, I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY, ARE YAGER, SHE'LL TELL ME.

BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN BE AN ABSENTEE OWNER, YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE ASSIGNED, AND THAT'S NOT A SPECIFIC NAME.

ALL GOOD.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M CATHERINE DANA DEGER.

I LIVE AT 1 0 8 HORSESHOE DRIVE IN, UH, WILLIAMSBURG.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR ALL THE ENGAGEMENT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS ON THIS TOPIC.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL OF THEIR TIME AND ENGAGEMENT.

AND AS A MEMBER OF THE PRESERVE QUEENS LAKE, UH, COMMUNITY TEAM, WE'RE OUT TO, OUR GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE, UH, IDENTITY OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE ALSO WANNA BALANCE THE OPPORTUNITY OF HOMEOWNERS TO USE THEIR PROPERTY FOR INCOME.

AND WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE SUPPORT THAT.

AND AS MR. CROSS MENTIONED, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, STRS IS REALLY A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.

DID I GET THAT QUOTE RIGHT? I HOPE I GOT IT RIGHT.

AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAS HAD A LOT OF CONTENTIOUS APPLICATIONS OVER THE LAST YEARS.

IF YOU RECALL, THERE HAVE BEEN DOZENS OF HOMEOWNERS THAT COME UP, UH, TO PROTEST SPECIFIC, UH, APPLICATIONS.

AND THAT REALLY GENERATED THIS DRIVE TO, UH, AMEND THE COUNTY CODE TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR.

BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE, UH, PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE COME UP TONIGHT, UH, IS THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.

IN FACT, THEY REMOVE A LOT OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, THAT ALREADY EXISTED.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER LIVING NEARBY.

SO AFTER TWO, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? I'M SORRY.

THE, IT REMOVES THE REQUIREMENT OF THE HOMEOWNER TO LIVE NEARBY

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UH, IF AN L L C IS GRANTED THE S STR, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN YORKTOWN, UH, YOU CAN SELL THAT L L C AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT RUNS WITH THE LAND OR THE OWNER, BECAUSE THAT IS NOW A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT CAN BE SOLD ON AND ON, AND IT WILL BE FOREVER COMMERCIAL.

AND IT'S, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GRANTED THEM THE SDR.

SO THE NUMBER OF THESE PROTECTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY WITH THIS, UH, NEW, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT.

SO INSTEAD OF PROVIDING COMMUNITY PROTECTIONS, UH, THIS ORDINANCE, THESE NEW, UM, AMENDMENTS TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS WE HAD.

INSTEAD OF PROVIDING GUIDELINES FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT REMOVES WHAT POULTRY GUIDELINES WE HAD.

INSTEAD OF REDUCING COMMUNITY ANXIETY OF COMMERCIALIZATION, UH, IT REMOVES WHAT PROTECTIONS EXIST.

AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THESE NEW ORDINANCES ALLOW CORPORATIONS TO BUY UP THE PROPERTIES, RENT THEM OUT AS WHOLE HOUSES, AND THEY'RE LEFT WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, WITH THE COMPLIANCE TO ALL OF THE, UM, LIKE NOISE AND, AND TRASH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO, I URGE YOU TO VOTE THIS DOWN.

IT'S NOT READY, IT'S NOT CLEAR.

IT'S VAGUE.

HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU APPLY IT? THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I GUESS IT'S, UH, CHRISTIE VAN CLEVE.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

I'M CHRISTY VAN CLEVE.

UM, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN, UH, WE LIVE AT 1304 DANDY LOOP ROAD, AND WE OWN 3 0 1 BALLARD STREET, WHERE WE OPERATE YORKTOWN COTTAGES.

UM, WE ARE HERE IN THE DISTRICT.

IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, BUT I WANTED TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE DISCUSSION POINTS THAT CAME UP TONIGHT.

UM, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.

OBVIOUSLY, IT IMPACTS US.

I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THERE AREN'T MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HERE.

I MEAN, THERE'S REPRESENTATION FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT THERE DOESN'T, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF, UM, EMOTION AROUND THESE STRS, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND EXPRESSING, UM, A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THEM.

UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT MR. CROSS HAS ENGAGED US, UM, AND THE OTHER STR OWNERS, UH, QUITE EXTENSIVELY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

UH, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON IDEAS THROUGH EMAIL, UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE, HAVE CULMINATED INTO THIS RECOMMENDATION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR PROBLEMS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE THINGS, UH, WITH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE OUR GRANDFATHERED RIGHT.

UM, I SAW THAT ON THERE.

THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO US.

UH, UH, FOR ESTATE PLANNING OF OUR BUSINESS.

WE HAVE CHILDREN, UH, AND ALSO OUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, IS NOT EXACTLY VIEWED BY THE BANKS AS EITHER A RESIDENTIAL OR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

IT'S A REALLY ODD PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO FANNIE MAE DOESN'T LIKE IT.

AND FOR TERMS OF COMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO HAVING IT DOING SOMETHING VERY PRODUCTIVE THAT IS SELLABLE.

IF WE EVER, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, UM, THE BACKUP PLAN.

LIKE IF THE BOTTOM FELL OUT, COULD I SELL THIS? IS IT MARKETABLE? BECAUSE I RECALL THAT, UH, WHEN NANCY THOMAS SOLD IT TO US, IT HAD BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

UM, IT'S A DIFFICULT PROPERTY TO SELL.

SO, UH, WITH REGARD TO PROMPT RESPONSES, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UM, FOR US, WE HAVE A NETWORK OF CONTRACTORS THAT WE UTILIZE FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS.

AND, UM, IF THERE'S A RESPONSE REQUIREMENT, WE MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY, IT'S A LONG TERM RENTAL, BUT IT HAD A, YOU KNOW, A HUGE LIMB FALL DOWN FROM AN OAK TREE.

UM, IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

IF WE SHOW UP, IT'S, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY HELPFUL.

UM, BUT WE HAVE SOMEONE SHOW UP.

SO DESIGNATING A SPECIFIC PERSON IS NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THE RIGHT ANSWER, UH, BECAUSE THAT SPECIFIC PERSON, IF MY MOTHER WAS TAKING CARE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT PERSON, RIGHT, TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

UM, ALSO WANTED TO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION TOO, THAT, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, PROMPT RESPONSES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CALL THE DOCTOR AND THEY SAY, IF THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, CALL 9 1 1, IT'S THE SAME HERE, RIGHT? SO IF I'M STUCK AT THE BRIDGE, I LIVE HERE IN YORK COUNTY, BUT I CROSS THE BRIDGE.

SO IF I'M STUCK AT THE BRIDGE, BECAUSE I CAN'T, AND I CAN'T GET TO THE PROPERTY, I JUST HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN.

AND IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY, THEY NEED

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TO DIAL 9 1 1.

AND WE HAVE THAT POSTED IN THERE.

UH, WHEN THE FIRE MARSHAL DOES THE REVIEW, IT GAVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT TO POST FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, HOW TO ESCAPE THE PROPERTY IN CASE OF A FIRE.

UM, 9 1 1 IS AN IMPORTANT NUMBER TO HAVE.

UM, AND IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE FOR THE OWNER TO SHOW UP.

ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS, SIR? COME FORWARD.

OH, OH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF 'EM.

THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK AND THEN DOUG, YOUR NEXT, SORRY, I'LL, SO I THINK NAME AND ADDRESS, UH, ALAN KENNEDY, ONE 16 STG STREET, UM, IN BURGESS'S QUARTERS, UH, WE ARE A, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE A, A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT DOESN'T CONTROL OUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HASN'T DONE THEIR JOB.

I THINK I WENT OVER THAT EARLIER.

UH, IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.

WE HOPE YOU'LL PREVENT IT IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE, UM, THAT WHEN, THAT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE POSITION OF HAVING NO EFFECTIVELY, UH, ANARCHY FROM AN HOA STANDPOINT BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS DOING NOTHING.

UM, UH, AND, AND SO WE HAD A SITUATION WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS RECENTLY, I THINK MY NEIGHBOR VICTORIA EMAILED YOU ABOUT IT, WHERE HER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS RENTING IT OUT ON FOR PARTIES ON WEEKENDS THROUGH AIRBNB AND OTHER SITES, UH, AND GETTING, AND THERE WERE PARTIES APPARENTLY, AND THE POLICE WERE CALLED, AND THEY COULDN'T REACH WHOEVER OWNED THAT HOME.

UM, THESE ARE TOWNHOUSES.

THEY SHARE WALLS, UH, IF YOU'RE IN THAT FOUR OR FIVE HOUSE SEGMENTS.

SO WE SHARE WALLS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR, AND WE ARE CONCERNED WHEN THERE ARE, UH, PARTIES.

SO MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, TO THINK ABOUT, UH, UH, I THINK MOST OF THE, THE CHANGES ARE, ARE VERY THOUGHTFUL.

UM, TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AT THREE IN THE MORNING WHEN THERE'S A WILD AND CRAZY PARTY NEXT DOOR, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME WALL, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THE BABY TO BED OR PUT THE BABY BACK TO SLEEP, UM, UH, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO, HOW DO WE PROTECT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS FROM THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS? I CAN TELL YOU I USED TO LIVE IN DENVER.

THE WAY THEY DID IT WAS BY REQUIRING, UM, THE, THAT RESIDENCE TO BE THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OF THE OWNER.

UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. HILL WAS REFERRING TO BY PLACES OUT WEST.

UH, THAT, UH, DENVER HAS A VERY STRICT RULES ON SHORT TERM RENTALS TO PREVENT THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.

BECAUSE AT LEAST IF IT'S, IF I CAN GO, IF AT LEAST THEN WE CAN TALK TO THE PERSON, UM, THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMEWHERE.

UH, AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE RESOLVE THINGS IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS BY TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.

UM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UH, AN LLC OR IF IT'S SOMEONE WHO LIVES OUT OF STATE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

INTERESTING POINT.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? HOW CAN WE HELP TO TAKE AWAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTENTIOUSNESS OF THIS? IF THE ONLY WAY THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE RESOLVED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS, IS TO HAVE AN ARMY OF PEOPLE COME IN HERE.

DOUG? DOUG ROY, 1 0 3.

MARINA POINT.

I JUST WANT TO RAISE ONE POINT THAT I DIDN'T HEAR MENTIONED TONIGHT, AND THAT IS, MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'RE SEEING SHORT TERM RENTALS PURCHASED OR, OR, UM, REQUESTED, ARE IN WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREAS, UM, AT SOME OF OUR MOST LOW COST HOUSING LEFT IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S THE STARTER HOMES FOR A LOT OF OUR YOUTH.

A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST OTHERWISE COULDN'T GET ANYTHING ELSE.

AND WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THEM, UH, SNAPPED UP.

YOU'LL SEE AN APPLICATION COME FORTH IN A MONTH OR SO WHERE THE GENTLEMAN OWNS SIX OR SEVEN PROPERTIES ALL IN THE PENMAN AREA, ALL IN THE YORK TERRACE AREA.

WE'RE JUST SEEING ALL OF THAT SHORT TERM, LOW COST HOUSING DISAPPEAR.

ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING.

I'M DIANE HOWELL.

I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE IN WILLIAMSBURG.

UM, MR. SHEPARD AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU.

I'VE STOOD HERE MANY TIMES.

UM, UH, WHEN I LISTEN TO ALL THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IN 2019, I STARTED THE GREATEST CIVICS LESSON IN MY LIFE BY GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE BECAUSE I DID WANNA PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK I HAVE QUEENS LAKE ON MY FOREHEAD.

IT IS NOT ABOUT QUEENS LAKE, IT IS ABOUT THIS COUNTY.

WE CAME TO MR. MORGAN AND THE STAFF TO ASK

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IT'S HARD ON NEIGHBORHOODS.

I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS IS HARD STUFF.

I RESPECT THAT.

IT'S BEEN HARD IN MY LIFE, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME COURAGE TO SET SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT DO HAVE SOME MEAT IN THEM.

AND I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR SUPPORTERS.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE STAFF.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE VAN CLEAVES AND FOR OUR OPERATIONS THAT ARE RUNNING WITHOUT ISSUE.

WE HAVE SAID ALL ALONG, GRANDFATHER, THOSE, I AM BOTHERED BY THE ORDINANCE, UM, PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE OWNER FROM THE BED AND BREAKFAST IF WE HAVE ONE THAT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, I WOULD CONSIDER IT AT THIS POINT, GRANDFATHERED, LEAVE THE ORDINANCE ALONE.

I WENT THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND MADE A LOT OF NOTES WHERE I FELT THERE WERE ISSUES OR CONCERNS, OR THEY JUST RAISED QUESTIONS.

I WON'T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE.

BUT JUST IN TERMS OF, UM, A RESPONSIBLE PERSON WITHIN A PROMPT RESPONSE TIME BEING AVAILABLE, THOSE TERMS BOTHER ME.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OR CONDITIONS FOR SOMEONE TO DESIGNATE ABOUT THEIR AGE, HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE ADDRESS? UM, MR. SHEPARD, YOU HAD A REMARKABLE QUESTION HERE RECENTLY ON ONE, WHEN YOU ASKED THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON IF THERE WAS A LEGAL CONTRACT.

I MEAN, DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY'RE TAKING ON WHEN THEY AGREE TO DO THIS? IT IS OUR PREFERRED STANDARD THAT THE OWNER BE THERE OR NEXT DOOR.

UM, I FIND THE ORDINANCE HAS A NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE THE TERMINOLOGY IS A LITTLE CONFUSING.

UM, MY HUSBAND POINTED OUT A LOT OF THINGS, OR HE ACTUALLY DISCOVERED A LOT OF THINGS RELATED TO THE EVENTS IN REGARD TO PERMANENT, UH, RESTROOM FACILITIES, UH, PORTABLE ONES, AND TENTS BEING UP JUST BASED BY THE TIME THAT'S THERE.

SO WITHOUT BELABORING IT, AND MY TIME IS UP, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS READY.

IT'S, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.

AND SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE IT MORE TIME.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S SEE.

NOW, UM, OH, LET'S SEE.

HANG ON.

ORDINANCE NUMBER? CORRECT.

THE MOTION, I BELIEVE IS 23 8, RIGHT? YES.

SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION.

UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD START.

I THINK IT'S NOT READY QUITE YET.

I'D LIKE FOR THEM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I, OR ONE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MR. ROY SPOKE EARLIER AND HE SAID THAT, UH, HE FELT LIKE IT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM SOME MORE TIME.

AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO HAVE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TONIGHT, UH, ADDRESSED AND THEN HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK TO US.

SO THAT'S HOW I FEEL ON IT.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT, OR IF WE, IF IT GOT VOTED DOWN, IF IT WOULD GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR RECONSIDERATION, WE'LL WORK THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, SHEILA, I'VE, OH, I THINK THAT THE, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN WORKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT THAT HAS GONE INTO IT FROM BOTH SIDES.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WORKED AT IT.

YOU'VE HAD YOUR MEETINGS ON IT.

UH, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.

WE LOOK AT IT AS FROM A SPECIAL USE POINT OF VIEW.

AND I HAVE TO COMMEND EVERYBODY FOR THEIR PASSION IN PARTICIPATING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS, AND I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THE BEST EFFORT THAT WE CAN AT THIS POINT.

MAYBE THERE'LL BE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE.

SO AS THINGS COME UP, BECAUSE I, THE POINT ABOUT THE, UH, TIMESHARES, THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING TO THINK ABOUT, BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO

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MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.

YEAH, STEVEN? YEAH.

SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD ADDITIONS TO THIS, AND I LIKE THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME, UM, BEST PRACTICES THAT I SHARED THAT DIDN'T MAKE THIS.

I, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRAINED TO AVOID WHAT WE CALL ANALYSIS PARALYSIS, WHERE YOU SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO ANALYZE SOMETHING AND, AND BEFORE EX EXECUTING ON IT, AND YOU WANNA MAKE ITERATIVE CHANGES TO GET TO THE END STATE.

HOWEVER, YOU ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME NEED TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS WHEN YOU'RE DOING THOSE ITERATIVE CHANGES.

AND I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'VE QUITE GONE THAT FAR YET.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME TIGHTENING UP OF THE VERBIAGE IN HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

UM, AND SOME, AND SOME BETTER DEFINITION OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE.

WE HAVE RUN INTO ISSUES HERE AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMITS WHEN WE ADDRESS THE OWNER EXPECTATIONS OR THE DESIGNATED PARTY EXPECTATION.

AND THEY ARE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT, OH, YOU MEAN I CAN'T TAKE A WEEK OFF WHILE I'M WATCHING THE PROPERTY? NO, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THAT STUFF.

AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE STIPULATED IN THIS.

SO THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T SURPRISED WHEN THEY BECOME THE DESIGNATED PEOPLE.

I THINK WE NEED TO SET SOME STANDARDS AND DEFINITIONS THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS HERE.

AND SO THAT PEOPLE, AS THEY APPLY THESE SPECIAL USE, APPLY FOR THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO GOING INTO IT.

AND AGAIN, DON'T GET SURPRISED HERE AND SEE THE, THE MONETARY INVESTMENT THEY MADE IN, IN APPLYING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT GET WASHED AWAY BECAUSE THEY GOT SURPRISED.

SO I WANNA AVOID THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO SOME MORE TIGHTENING UP.

I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUITE SOME TIME TO GET TO THIS POINT.

SO LET'S SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THE NEXT PART OF THE JOURNEY DONE CORRECTLY, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THE JOURNEY ON.

I DON'T, I DON'T EXPECT THIS TO BE A ONE AND DONE SOLUTION.

WE'LL MAKE ENOUGH POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS NOW AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SOME MORE POSITIVE IMPROVEMENTS LATER.

BUT WE JUST, WE HAVEN'T QUITE MADE THE LEAP YET TO BE ABLE TO SIGN OFF ON THIS.

I DON'T FEEL.

UM, MY CONCERN IS, I, I AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN PARALYSIS THE ANALYSIS.

UM, BUT MY, MY CONCERN IS THIS, THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE THAT, WELL, LET ME BACK IT UP.

IF I STEP BACK TO WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, WHEN WE FIRST HAD THE FIRST, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE MADE ANY PROGRESS AT ALL.

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I'M RIGHT BACK WHERE I WAS.

HOW MANY? AND, AND THEN WHAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT? SO ANYWAY, UM, SO I'VE GOT A, SO FOR THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD HERE, UM, DO YOU WANT TABLE THIS? WHAT? WELL, NOT YET.

I MEAN, AND, AND, AND I ONLY HAVE ONE GUIDELINE.

AND AS THE LADY SAID, IF I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP OR CALL ME ON THE PHONE AND SAY THEY DON'T WANT IT, I'M GONNA VOTE IT DOWN.

I HAVE NO OTHER GUIDANCE HERE.

I JUST DOES IT FEEL RIGHT OR NOT? THAT'S A HELL OF A WAY TO DO BUSINESS.

UM, SO I LIKE THE CONCEPTS OF HAVING SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME MEASURABLE MEANS.

SOME NUMBERS.

IF WE COULD GET TO THAT POINT, I, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SURE HELP.

I MEAN, YOU GOTTA HAVE DECISION MAKERS HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIS FOR THEIR DECISION OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN WITH TORCHES OR WHATEVER.

UM, SO, AND, AND THE THING IS, YOU'RE PUTTING A BUSINESS IN A NEIGHBOR, A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHAT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT WILL SET PEOPLE OFF IS PUT A BUSINESS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T CARE, IT'S A BARBERSHOP BEAUTY SHOP, UH, WHATEVER.

AND WE'VE GOT SOME, WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY CLEAR THINGS ABOUT THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR THIS.

THE SAD PART IS PEOPLE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.

I MEAN, AND I, AND I TELL YOU WHAT THE, THE, THE, THE COMMENTS I GOT FROM EVERYBODY IN HERE, MAN, I TELL YOU, THERE WERE SOME GOOD THOUGHTS.

I WAS REALLY, I, I'M SITTING HERE GOING, OH MAN.

I MEAN, THIS IS JUST GOOD THOUGHTS.

WHERE WERE ALL THESE THOUGHTS WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS? I MEAN, MAYBE THEY WERE IN HERE AND THEY JUST, THEY JUST GOT MASSAGED OUT OF IT.

UM, AND MY BIG CONCERN WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT WE START DENYING THE NEIGHBORS THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN EFFECT ON ITS ON, ON A, UM, ON A, ON A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DO NOT WANT THAT AT ALL.

I WANT THE NEIGHBORS, IF WE PUT A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN THEIR PROPERTY, THE EXIT THEIR PROPERTY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANT THEM TO HAVE AN IMPACT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT IS WHY WE, I THINK ALL OF US AGREE.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DO THIS SPECIAL COURT BLANCHE LETTING PEOPLE DO THIS.

WE HAVE THE SUPERVISORS GOTTA SIT HERE AND DO THIS.

SO, UM, I HATE TO SAY THIS IS NOT READY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I FEEL LIKE I'VE GOT A LANDMINE HERE THAT'S STANDING IN FRONT OF ME.

IF I STEP ON IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA SCREW THINGS UP.

AND I KNOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND, AND I THINK THAT I WANT SOME, I WANT SOME NUMBERS IN HERE.

I WANT SOME PARAMETERS BY WHICH WE CAN DO THIS.

AND I'LL, AND I'LL WANT SURFACE PARAMETERS.

I WANT PARAMETERS THAT, THAT IF YOU ANALYZE IT, YOU GO, YOU CAN ANALYZE THE ANALYSIS.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT GOES BEYOND IT? IT'S SOME THOUGHT.

IT'S THE DENSITY.

OKAY? WHY, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE WORD DENSITY, THEN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF HOW CLOSE,

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I'M JUST, I WANT TO KNOW.

I WANT PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

OKAY, SO THE POINT IN HERE IS WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS BETTER? I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TAKE, WHAT DO WE TAKE OUT? OR WHAT DO WE ADD? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GONNA MAKE IT BETTER? SO FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THINGS LIKE TO SEE ADDED SOME OF THOSE BEST PRACTICES THAT, THAT I, THAT I SHARED.

UM, WE, WE NEED TO STIPULATE THAT IT IS FOR OCCUPANCY ONLY.

WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO RESERVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR A LONG WEEKEND TO HAVE A BIG FRATERNITY PARTY, OR, OR, HEY, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION AND I GOT THIS LITTLE LOW BUDGET FILM I'M DOING.

I'M GONNA BRING A FILM CREW IN HERE AND USE IT FOR THAT.

SO WE, WE NEED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO AVOID THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING, RIGHT? WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME.

AND YOU, AGAIN, TRANSPARENT, YOU'RE, IT'S BEING USED AND YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL IT'S BEING USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST LIVING THERE LIKE ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT A BIG PARTY, A BIG COOK AT A BIG BARBECUE, A FAMILY REUNION, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST USE FOR IT.

IN FACT, IT'S ADDRESSED ELSEWHERE.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SET.

UM, STIPULATE IN HERE.

FAR PEOPLE COULD RENT IT OUT.

HEY, GREAT PLACE FOR A PARTY AND I'LL BRING A WHOLE BUNCH OF MY FRIENDS OVER.

WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT THAT.

ALSO, WHAT ARE THE EXPECTATIONS FOR EITHER THE OWNER OR THE DESIGNATED PARTY SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WHEN THEY ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME SURPRISES HERE ON THAT.

SO IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR POSITION THOUGH, WOULD WE SAY THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BED BREAKFAST, THAT THE OWNER HAS TO BE NEXT DOOR? WELL, SHORT TERM RENTALS BED AND BREAKFAST IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

WELL, SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND, AND, AND THAT IS, AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE FIGURED OUT YET.

WHAT, WHAT DOES NEXT DOOR MEAN? DO PHYSICALLY NEXT DOOR? OR ARE YOU WITHIN EARSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON, ON THE PROPERTY? OR REPRESENTATIVE? OR, OR REPRESENTATIVE.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND A REPRESENTATIVE THAT CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON THE THING.

ON THE THING TOO.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD SAID A FAMILY MEMBER.

WELL, IS, IS THAT FAMILY MEMBER GONNA BE AVAILABLE AND ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT? YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY PERSON, CAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO LIVE NEXT DOOR AS A NEIGHBOR, AS YOUR, AS YOUR RELATIVE LIVING NEXT DOOR, ARE THEY ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING IF THERE'S MISSING? SO, OKAY, BUT ISN'T THAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BEFORE YOU, DOES IT HAVE TO BE, SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE SPENT SPELLED OUT IN THIS, IT'S PART OF THE, UH, S U RIGHT? AND I DON'T, SO THESE ARE QUESTIONS, THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANTS BEFORE WE VOTE RIGHT ON IT.

IT DOESN'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE IN WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH.

AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE DON'T WANT THE RAIN SUIT TIGHT, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE TO HAVE EXPECTATIONS COMING INTO IT, AS WELL AS WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK THOSE SAME QUESTIONS THAT EVERY SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT COMES TO US, THEY, THAT SHOULD BE SETTLED PRETTY MUCH BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO US.

SO, SO WE'RE NOT REITERATING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WELL, SO, SO FOR, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THIS FOR THE STAFF, FOR TIM AND THE STAFF TO DO THIS.

THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.

I MEAN, THIS IS A BUTT LOAD OF WORK.

OKAY? SO, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM DO STUFF, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WASTING THEIR TIME.

THAT'S RIGHT.

OR WASTING THE NEIGHBOR'S TIME.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING 'EM SOME, SOME CLEAR GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT TO DO.

THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.

OH, YES.

SO CHAD, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW AND RARE TIMES THAT I WISH MR. ZERBO WERE UP HERE TO GIVE US HIS GUIDANCE AND, UH, HIS, HIS INPUT ON THIS.

UH, NO.

UH, UH, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE.

UH, AND I WAS, I WAS HIT THIS, UH, AFTERNOON WITH SOME VERY GOOD POINTS, UH, FROM THE HOWS AND SOME FOLKS, UH, UP IN THE UPPER PART OF THE COUNTY.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE JUST TOOK A LITTLE MORE TIME, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO VOTE NO ON THIS TONIGHT TO KILL IT.

BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF HARD WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS.

AND I, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THE PROCESS, BUT I THINK THAT THE DOCUMENT IS NOT READY.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT BY SOME MORE INPUT FROM WHAT, WHAT, FROM THE, FROM THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF TERMS THAT WE WERE SITTING HERE CLARIFYING AND GOING THROUGH, UH, JUST FROM, FROM FOUR RESIDENTS WHO CAME UP HERE TONIGHT AND TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE INCONSISTENCIES AND SOME OF THE TERMS AND, AND, UH, THAT THEY SAW.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM GOING OVER, UH, BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MAYBE HAVING ANOTHER HEARING ON IT, MAYBE TIGHTENING UP SOME OF THE LANGUAGE, AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK, UH, TO

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THE BOARD.

AND I DON'T THINK WE LOSE ANYTHING BY DOING THAT.

I THINK, WELL, WE NEED TO, THERE'S A BOARD THOUGH.

WE NEED TO PUT SOME VERY SPECIFIC STUFF THAT WE WANT HERE.

I MEAN, THIS IS, I AGREE.

THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO NAIL JELLO TO THE WALL, BUT IT'S, BUT WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA GIVE SOMEBODY SOME HELP HERE.

I MEAN, WHAT IF WE LOOK AT IT, THE BOARD SUPERVISORS CAN LOOK AT LAND USE AS LAND USE, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT, AT IT FROM THE POLITICAL SIDE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM WHAT THE CONSTITUENCY WARRANTS.

SURE.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO, UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN QUEENS LAKE MAY NOT WORK WELL IN KILL GREEK NO.

OR RUNNING MAN.

AND SO WE'RE NOT GONNA FIT, WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE EVERYTHING, BUT WE GOTTA COME WITH SOME PARAMETERS.

I, AND, AND, AND I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, ANYTHING THAT LIMITS INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY OR THEIR ABILITY, FINE.

I'M JUST NOT GONNA GO ALONG WITH THAT.

OKAY? I I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN'T TALK TO THESE.

NO.

AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW.

I I JUST GOT A FEELING THERE'S STUFF IN HERE THAT IT BLOCKS IT OUT.

SO, MR. ATTORNEY, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE JUST SEND IT BACK, OR DO WE MAKE A MOTION TO, TO, TO RETURN IT? OR DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO HERE? WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S AN ACTUAL METHODOLOGY TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE THIS MATTER WITHOUT CONTINUING IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE.

UM, THAT WOULD JUST KEEP THE RESOLUTION OPEN.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO THEN, UM, ADVERTISE AND HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.

HOWEVER, IT ALSO DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM DOING SO SHOULD YOU DESIRE TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE.

AND YOU COULD BRING THIS MATTER BACK UP AND, UM, CONSIDER IT AS A, UM, AN R OR AN AMENDED RESOLUTION OR SUBMIT.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO AMENDMENTS.

I DON'T WANT IT TO GO IN EFFECT.

THAT'S THE THING RIGHT NOW.

WELL, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA GO INTO EFFECT UNLESS IT, IT'S UNTIL WE VOTE ON IT.

UNLESS IT HAS THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF MAJORITY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

RIGHT? SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO, SOME PEOPLE USE THE WORD TABLE IN ROBERT'S PARLANCE, BUT I IT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THIS MATTER WITHOUT, SOMETIMES YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN.

IN THIS CASE, I WOULD SAY YOU COULD JUST CONTINUE IT UNTIL, AND THEN IT WOULD BECOME OLD BUSINESS THAT THE BOARD OKAY.

CONSIDERED.

SO IS CHAIR, I JUST SAID, OKAY.

WE'RE NOT VOTING GUYS.

OKAY? WE'RE NOT VOTING.

THIS IS NOT BEING VOTED ON.

I GIVEN TIM, IT'S GOING BACK TO YOU, MR. UH, DEPUTY, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

ALL RIGHT? AND YOU'VE HEARD WHAT'S GOING ON.

TAKE IT BACK DOWN THERE.

LET'S WORK ON IT AGAIN.

OKAY? IS THAT YOU GOT THAT.

AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, WE DON'T WANNA DO, WE DON'T WANT THEM FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO THIS IN THE VACUUM.

WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE INPUT AS WELL, RIGHT? SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF GO DO BETTER.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

HERE, HERE, WHAT HERE'S, AND THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO AT THE NEXT WORK SE NEXT SESSION, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, WE TAKE THIS, OKAY? THAT WHAT WE'VE GOT, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND LET'S KIND OF FINE TUNE WHAT WE WANT FOLKS TO WORK ON.

IF WE ONLY WANNA WORK ON ONE OR TWO ITEMS, THAT'S FINE.

SO WE CAN MAKE SOME PROGRESS, OKAY? I DON'T NEED TO EAT THE WHOLE ELEPHANT.

NO, JUST, JUST TAKE A ONE, A SLICE OF IT, OKAY? AND, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA SIT AS THE SUPERVISORS IN A, IN A PUBLIC SESSION OR PUBLIC YEAH.

REVIEW.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ONE THING.

IF WE HAVE TO, YOU GET ONE OR TWO THINGS, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? SOUNDS GOOD.

I LIKE THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT BACK.

OKAY? SO YOU GUYS TAKE CARE OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT, , THANKS FOR THE INPUT, BY THE WAY, GUYS, THAT WAS GREAT.

THAT WAS AWESOME ACTUALLY.

OKAY, SO, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, THERE, THERE WAS A PENDING MOTION ON THE, ON THE YES.

GEN ON THE FLOOR TO VOTE ON THIS.

SO WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.

COULD WE WITHDRAW THE MOTION? NO, WE'RE NOT TABLING IT.

WE WITHDRAW.

WHO MADE THE MOTION? IF THE, IF THE, IF THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION WITHDRAWS THE MOTION, THAT WOULD WITHDRAW IT.

SHEILA? YES, SIR.

OKAY, SO THEN WITHDRAW.

I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

SO, BUT NO ACTION ON THIS, UH, ON THIS ITEM.

AND, AND THEN IN TWO WEEKS, WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME TIME, UH, AS SUPERVISORS PICKING ONE OR TWO OF THESE THINGS AND JUST WORK IT.

OKAY? GIVE US SOME FINE TUNING HERE.

AND YOU GUYS FEEL FREE TO GIVE US SOME INPUT.

OKAY? WE ALL RIGHT.

MORE INPUT.

I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE A PROBLEM.

I DON'T THINK.

I DON'T THINK WELL GO TELL YOUR FRIENDS.

THEY CAN PITCH INTO, OKAY, DID WE GET EVERYTHING ON THIS AGENDA? DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? I THINK, OH, SALARIES.

WE GOT NEW SALARIES.

RIGHT, LET'S GO TO, UH, ITEM FIVE.

AND WE GOT NEW BUSINESS TOO.

GO WHAT? NEW BUSINESS TOO.

ALL

[5 Establish Salaries for Members of the York County Board of Supervisors. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 23-5 to establish the salaries of members of the York County Board of Supervisors effective July 1, 2023. ]

AND THAT IS, UH, CONSIDERED ADOPTION OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

NUMBER 23 DASH FIVE, ESTABLISHED SALARIES FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO BE EFFECTIVE ONE JULY, 2023.

[02:30:03]

AND, UH, WAS THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS? I DON'T HAVE THAT.

NO.

NO, THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS A NEW BUSINESS.

THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? WHICH ITEM? SHOW ME THIS.

UH, RIGHT HERE.

IT'S A PUBLIC, UH, NO, NO, NO.

YEAH, IT'S UP HERE.

NO, THAT'S CONSENT AGENDA.

IT'S PUBLIC HERE.

HANG ON FOLKS LIKE THAT.

HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

SALARIES.

RIGHT HERE.

NUMBER FIVE.

ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S PUBLIC HEARING, OKAY? YES.

SO, UM, WHO WANTS TO TALK TO YOU? WANNA TALK TO THAT? GO AHEAD.

MR. HILL.

OH, MR. HILL, YOU WANNA TALK TO THAT? I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEYOND WHAT WAS IN THE READ AHEAD.

UM, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT NO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S NO CHANGES.

THIS IS JUST ANYTHING CHANGE IN 20 YEARS.

SO POLICY THAT WE NEED TO DO OTHERWISE RIGHT? DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO.

THIS IS JUST CHECKING THE BOX.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THAT'S, UH, I'LL, LET'S SEE.

I'M GONNA GO AHEAD IN NON LEGALESE.

THAT IS CORRECT, .

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS? OKAY.

CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, ASK FOR A MOTION MOVE.

EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2023.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

VOTE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 DASH FIVE TO ESTABLISH THE SALARIES OF THE MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND WE'VE DONE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND JUST THAT NEW BUSINESS IN A NEW BUSINESS, RIGHT? WE GOT THAT NEW BUSINESS NUMBER

[8 CISCO Enterprise Agreement for Information Technology. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-90 to execute a contract with ePLUS Technology, Inc. for the execution of a five-year Cisco Enterprise agreement for the purchase of technology, security, and devices for Information Technology. ]

EIGHT.

WHO'S DOING THIS? I THINK IT'S TO PAUSE.

WHO'S DOING? OH, YOU'RE DOING IT.

OKAY, MARK, WE TURNED IT DOWN LAST TIME.

MR. MR. WYATT IS IN THE OFFICE.

WE WERE GONNA ASK HIM TO COME UP.

DISCUSS IT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME UP.

UH, BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR CISCO ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT PROPOSAL.

WHAT THIS IS, IS A CONTRACT TO COVER THE CISCO SOFTWARE.

IT'S THE LICENSING AND THE SUPPORT, AND IT COVERS THREE DIFFERENT BROAD TOPICS.

WHENEVER THERE'S A CABLE THAT CONNECTS A NETWORK DEVICE, IT GOES TO A BOX.

IT'S COVERING THAT.

THE WIRELESS SIGNALS THAT COME OUT THAT WE CONNECT TO, COVERS THAT AND COVERS THE SECURITY AROUND THOSE, SUPPORTING THOSE DEVICES.

UM, WHAT THIS CONTRACT ACTUALLY DOES IS FOR FIVE YEARS, IT LOCKS IN THE CURRENT PRICING.

OH.

CURRENTLY, INDUSTRY-WIDE, WE'VE SEEN PRICES INCREASE THIS YEAR OF ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 12%.

ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS.

AND THERE'S NO SIGNS THAT IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN.

SO IT TAKES THE CURRENT RATE, LOCKS IT IN FOR FIVE YEARS.

ON TOP OF THAT, BY REDUCING THE RATE, UM, IT'S ESTIMATED TO SAVE US THIS YEAR AT LEAST $20,000.

AND THEN AS A CHERRY ON TOP, IF WE SIGN UP FOR JULY, THE END OF JULY, WE GET A CISCO DNA APPLIANCE.

IT'S A BOX AND IT HELPS WITH AUTOMATION, PREDICTIVE MONITORING, ESSENTIALLY SAVING STAFF TIME AS WE ADD ON MORE BUILDINGS AND THE NETWORK STARTS TO GROW, HELPS KEEP STAFF COSTS DOWN, ANDS NUMBER OF STAFF DOWN.

AND WITH THAT, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.

CAN YOU GO IN LONG, EXCRUCIATING DETAIL ABOUT THE NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

NO, BUT, BUT JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FAMILIARITY WITH, WITH CISCO DEVICES AND SOFTWARE.

JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SUPPORT AGREEMENT, TIME, MEANTIME TO RESTORATION AT THE SLA AND SO FORTH.

I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET FAST COVERAGE.

IF, IF WE HAVE AN AUDITS, PARTICULARLY ON A CRITICAL COMPONENT.

SO THIS KEEPS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS CISCO SMART NET.

THE SAME LEVELS, THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT SEVERITY LEVELS.

1, 2, 3, AND FOUR.

THE TOP SEVERITY IS A CRITICALLY IMPACTED VERY BROAD TERM.

SECOND ONE IS SUBSTANTIAL.

THE THIRD, WHICH IS A KEY ONE, IS MINIMAL, AND FOUR IS NO IMPACT.

IF WE PUT IN A CALL FOR ANY OF THESE DURING NINE TO FIVE BUSINESS, IT'S A ONE HOUR CALLBACK.

SO ONE HOUR RESPONSE TIME.

IF IT'S AEV, ONE OR TWO, WHICH IS 99% OF ALL CALLS, WE DO 24 7.

IT'S A ONE HOUR CALL BACK.

UM, I THINK IN ALL MY YEARS OF DOING THIS, THERE WAS ONE TIME WHERE WE PLACED A CALL AND IT WAS 15 MINUTES TILL WE GOT A CALL BACK, AND THAT WAS VERY UNUSUAL.

SO, TOP NOTCH SUPPORT 360, YOU KNOW, 24 7, 365.

ONE HOUR RESPONSE.

DOES THIS AGREEMENT COME WITH ANY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FROM CISCO OR E PLUS? YES.

DIRECTLY.

EVERYTHING.

THE CONTRACTS THROUGH E PLUS, BUT ALL THE SUPPORT IS WITH WHAT'S CALLED CISCO TAC TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE CENTER.

UM, IT'S DIRECTLY WITH CISCO.

CISCO EXPERTS.

YOU CALL THEM UP, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NO ISSUES.

WE'VE USED THEM FOR AT LEAST TWO DECADES THAT WE'VE HAD CISCO EQUIPMENT, PROBABLY LONGER THAN THAT.

[02:35:01]

QUESTIONS? UH, QUESTIONS? NO.

SO THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BUT IT WILL NEED A, UH, MOTION FOR RESOLUTION.

I MOVE R 2390.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. ROH IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 90 TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF TECHNOLOGY SECURITY AND DEVICES FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.

I'VE PREVIEWED OR REVIEWED THE, UH, AGENDA.

I SEE, I THINK WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING CLOSED.

UH, NO CLOSED MEETING, NO FUTURE BUSINESS.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADJOURN THE MEETING.

UM, NEXT REGULAR MEETING, UH, LET'S SEE, WILL BE HELD AT 6:00 PM JULY THE 18TH IN THE BOARDROOM.

SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.