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[Call to Order]
GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO THE MARCH 7TH, 2023 WORK SESSION OF YORK COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISORS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE A FORM? OKAY.
UH, FOR THE AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, TWO PRESENTATIONS.
UM, ONE IS A RETREAT FOLLOW UP.
THE OTHER ONE WILL BE A PRESENTATION ON THE WATER STREET DESIGN CONCEPT.
THAT WILL BE THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE THREE ITEMS FOR THE, UH, FOR NEW BUSINESS.
[1 Retreat Follow-Up. Receive presentation from Neil A. Morgan, County Administrator. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator]
OFF, UH, THE PRESENTATIONS I'LL CALL ON, UH, MR. MORGAN.UH, DIANE'S GONNA COME UP AND, AND PULL THIS UP FOR ME.
UH, WHAT, UH, THOUGHT WE WOULD DO TONIGHT, AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A LITTLE ON ME, UH, TALKING WITH YOU ALL, ALTHOUGH TERESA'S IN THE ROOM COURSE, THERE'S A LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT, THAT I CAN'T PROVIDE.
UH, 95% OF WHAT I'M GONNA SAY THE BOARD HAS ALREADY HEARD AT THE RETREAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE POSTED ALL THE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE RETREAT AND THE FOUR FOLLOW UP MEMOS THAT Y'ALL ASK ABOUT.
SO ALL OF THAT'S PUBLIC, BUT, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, SINCE IT'S THE RUN UP TO MY BUDGET RECOMMENDATION AND 24, WHICH WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO JUST SORT OF DO THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS ON THE TV CAMERAS FOR, FOR ANYONE WHO MAYBE DOESN'T FOLLOW THE SLIDES OR DOESN'T CARE TO LOOK AT THE SLIDES.
SO, UM, UH, I, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF TALK THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS NOW.
OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL INTERRUPT WHERE YOU CARE TO.
UH, AGAIN, UH, YOU'VE, YOU, THIS IS NOT REALLY NEW MATERIAL, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT MATERIAL.
SO, UH, Y 22 SURPLUS SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN I EXPECTED.
SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER THAN NORMAL.
QUITE A BIT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, UH, THE SOURCES ON THE REVENUE SIDE WERE BASICALLY, DID YOU ANALYZE IT? CONSUMER TAXES AND THE, UH, BASICALLY THE INFLATION AND THE CAR TAX ON THE CONSUMER TAXES.
UH, MY BAD, UH, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, THESE REVENUE PROJECTIONS WERE DONE IN JANUARY OF 21.
IF YOU CAN THINK BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE DOING IN JANUARY OF 21, WE WERE RUNNING AROUND THINKING ABOUT THE FIRST ROUND OF COVID VACCINES AND REALLY SEEMED LIKE THE SKY HAS FALLEN AND, UM, DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CARES ACT AND ARPA.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT SITUATION REVERSED AND, UH, SALES, MEALS, LODGING ALL CAME IN, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF THE STORY, OF COURSE, IS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
AND Y'ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT WE DID WITH THAT, UH, WITH THE REBATE THAT SORT OF CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE SECOND HALF OF THAT, UM, SLIDE.
UM, AND THEN, SO WHAT DID WE DO WITH THE SURPLUS? UH, OTHER THAN THE REBATE? UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT WE PUT INTO CASH CAPITAL.
IN SOME CASES, WE, UH, WE PUT IT INTO THE CIP P THAT YOU HAD APPROVED BECAUSE WE ASSUMED THERE WOULD BE A SURPLUS.
UM, IN, IN ONE CASE, WE, RATHER THAN SPENDING DOWN, UM, OUR SAVINGS, WE RESTORED THE MONEY IN OUR ACCOUNT TO WHERE IT WAS.
AND OF COURSE, WE ASSIGNED A, UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, UH, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER.
BEFORE YOU JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I WANT YOU TO STATE FOR THE LISTENING PUBLIC, UM, THE KEY POINTS ON, UM, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF PUTTING THE MONEY, THE, THE SURPLUS MONEY TOWARDS THE CAPITAL.
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RULE OF, FIRST OF ALL, I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID, WHILE SOME FOLKS CAN TALK ABOUT THE SURPLUS, AND IT CERTAINLY CAN BE A ISSUE IF IT'S TOO LARGE ON AN ONGOING BASIS, I THINK WE'D ALL AGREE.WE'D MUCH RATHER TO BE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH THE SURPLUS THAN IF THE NEWS WAS, I, I'VE GROSSLY, UH, OVERESTIMATED, UH, REVENUE.
AND, AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT A DEFICIT? UH, WE IN YORK COUNTY PRETTY MUCH FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE THAT THE STATE FOLLOWS WITH THEIR RAINY DAY FUND.
UH, WHENEVER THEY HAVE A SURPLUS, THEY PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF IT IN THEIR RAINY DAY FUND.
THE ONE TIME USE OF CASH IS ESSENTIALLY A VERSION OF THAT.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING, OF COURSE, IS THIS BODY COMMITTED TO, UH, HAVING A MEANINGFUL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, WITH, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN DONE OR UNDERWAY UNDER DESIGN.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SUSTAIN THAT IS IF WE PUT, UH, CASH INTO THE CIP P CUZ OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, BE TEMPTING.
SOMEBODY IN MY POSITION COULD GO OUT AND BORROW A BUNCH OF MONEY, MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO LOCK OFF.
AND SO BY USING THE SURPLUS FOR THOSE ONE TIME THINGS, UM, WE'VE GOT A CIP P THAT'S SUSTAINABLE AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A DEBT TRAJECTORY THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WELL POINT OF THE CIP P AND THE, AND HIS POINT ON THE SLIDE IS THAT THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WERE REBATE BACK TO THE CITIZENS OF THE SURPLUS.
AND THEN THE EXTRA, THE EXTRA MONEY THAT WE HAD IN THE GOVERNMENT BY PUTTING IT IN THE CIP P FIRST OF ALL, THOSE THINGS THAT IN THE CIP P ARE DIS DESIGNED BY THE BOARD AND RECOGNIZED BY THE BOARD IS NEEDED ITEMS. OKAY.
THE SHERIFF'S BUILDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO WHAT THAT DOES, BY PUTTING THE EXTRA MONEY INTO THOSE PROJECTS, IT HELPS US AVOID HAVING TO BORROW AS YOU RAISED MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS JUST A, A SMART WAY OF, OF HANDLING MONEY.
THAT'S A COMMON SENSE WAY OF, I'VE GOT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TERRY.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO, UH, ALL OF US, EXCLUDING THE POPULATION THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THIS, JUST EXACTLY HOW WAS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES REBATE? YEAH.
UH, SO APPARENTLY THIS CAN'T GO BACKWARDS.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? UH, THANK YOU, TOM.
UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE MEMOS WE SENT OUT AS FOLLOW UP TO, UH, THE RETREAT WAS EXACTLY HOW THE REBATE WAS CALCULATED.
AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONVOLUTED BECAUSE, UM, THE RATE THAT THE BOARD SETS IN YOUR BUDGET IN MAY, UH, APPLIES ACROSS TWO DIFFERENT FISCAL YEARS.
SO, UM, UH, OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO CALCULATE QUITE SPECIFICALLY, UH, HOW MUCH OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, UH, GROWTH FROM WHAT WAS BUDGETED TO WHAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED WAS A RESULT OF THE SPIKE IN VALUES IN THE JANUARY, 2022 BLUE BOOK.
AND SO THE 3.5 MILLION WAS AS PRECISE AS WE COULD CALCULATE THE AMOUNT THAT WAS DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT.
UM, THERE WAS OTHER MONEY, I WANNA SAY ABOUT 1.6 MILLION IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX THAT WAS BE BEYOND WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY BUDGETED, BUT AS YOUR REPORT SHOWED THAT CAME FROM, UH, NEW VEHICLES, UH, PAYMENTS OF TAXES FROM BACK YEARS MM-HMM.
SO IT WAS NOT RELATED TO THE JANUARY 22, UH, NATIVE BLUE BOOK SPIKE.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THAT COMING UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEE, I CAN MAKE TO THIS POINT, I'M KIND OF SCARED TO GO FORWARD CAUSE I HAVE TO GO, TIM, TO MAKE IT GO BACKWARDS.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE SOURCES.
UM, THIS, I THINK IS, IS WORTH THINKING ABOUT.
THIS IS A BAR GRAPH OF WHAT OUR SURPLUS HAS LOOKED LIKE OVER THE YEARS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, 2022 IS THE ONE THAT AFTER THE AUDIT IS DONE, YOU KNOW, WE FIND OUT ABOUT IN THE LATE FALL OF THAT YEAR.
BUT FROM A BUDGETING PERSPECTIVE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S REALLY TWO BUDGETS AGO.
AND THE BUDGET I'M GETTING READY TO RECOMMEND IN TWO WEEKS IS FOR FYI 24.
AND SO ON A CERTAIN LEVEL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HISTORY.
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SHARED WITH YOU AT THE RETREAT, WE CAN'T BE CERTAIN, CUZ WE HAVE TO MONITOR EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH AS THE REVENUES COME IN.BUT OUR PROJECTED SURPLUS FOR 23 IS MUCH CLOSER TO WHAT OUR HISTORIC AVERAGE HAS BEEN.
AND HONESTLY, WHAT WE COUNT ON TO MAKE OUR BUDGET WORK, BECAUSE OF OUR CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, I BELIEVE YOU ALL WANT US TO ERR ON THAT SIDE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE ABLE TO FEED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, YOU KNOW, WITH CASH.
UM, WE WON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN UNTIL THERE'S AN AUDIT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS FROM NOW.
BUT ALSO, UM, A REASONABLE QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL, YOU, YOU, UH, WAY UNDERESTIMATED ALL THOSE CONSUMER TAXES.
IS THAT STILL OUT THERE? WELL, THE HONEST ANSWER IS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE APPROVED THE YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, MUCH OF THAT WAS ABSORBED IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WE CORRECTED THOSE ESTIMATES AND THAT'S HOW WE, UH, HIRED MORE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES AND GAVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT COMPENSATION INCREASE THAT WE'VE GIVEN IN MANY YEARS AND ALSO FUNDED AN INCREASE IN THE SCHOOLS.
SO TO THE EXTENT IT WASN'T A ONE-TIME ANOMALY, IT'S BEEN ABSORBED IN, IN THE BUDGET PLAN THAT WE'RE IN.
AND OF COURSE, THE TRICK FOR THE STAFF WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE 24 BUDGET IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HAD TO COME UP WITH REVENUE ESTIMATES AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN A YEAR FROM NOW OR 14 MONTHS FROM NOW.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE SITUATION WE WERE IN IN EARLY 21, WHICH WAS CERTAINLY UNPRECEDENTED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANNA POINT OUT, AND UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU CAME IN AS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR, FOR THE LONGEST TIME, WE WERE ON THE EDGE, WE'RE NOT FUNDING OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, UM, AND, UH, I DON'T, I'D BE KIND OF CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, THESE EXCESSES, BUT, UH, IN THE, IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO 2012.
BUT THE POINT IS, WHAT WE WOULD DO TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS SIMPLY PUSH OFF THE, UH, PUSH OFF THE, THE PROGRAMS. AND THIS IS NOT ONLY, THIS IS A VERY COMMON PROBLEM THAT YOU CAN RUN INTO OR A COMMON APPROACH YOU RUN INTO IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
AND IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS OR PLAN EFFICIENTLY, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU END UP BUILDINGS THAT GO UNATTENDED, AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS DON'T WORK.
UH, SCHOOL BUILDINGS BEGIN TO HAVE PROBLEMS AND FAIL.
AND, UH, WE'VE SEEN THAT IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
IN FACT, YOU COULD TAKE IT TO AN EXTREME, I THINK IT WAS EMPORIA, IS THAT WAS THE CASE WHERE THEY WERE DOING SOME OF THIS AND YOU ENDED UP WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S.
AND SOME OTHERS, THE STATE GOVERNMENT HAD TO GO IN AND BASICALLY TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT.
SO THIS WAS A PRUDENT APPROACH TO, UH, TO, UH, BUDGETING.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA BRING OUT THESE POINTS FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE A HISTORICAL AVERAGE ARE ABOUT $5 MILLION.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE APPROACHING THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE, THAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR OVERALL BUDGET THAT'S, SO, UM, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A, YOU, A GOOD RESULT WOULD BE A 2% STRUCTURAL SURPLUS.
SO THAT WOULD MAYBE BE 4 MILLION OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S PUTTING US PRETTY MUCH ON, ON TARGET.
AND, AND, AND WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF BE A LITTLE, WE, WE NEED FOR IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THAT CAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CASH WE'RE PLUGGING INTO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 3%, GIVEN THE WAY OUR CIP P IS STRUCTURED MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT THE BIG TAKEAWAY IS FOR ME IS OUTTA THESE ANOMALY YEARS, WE'RE GETTING BACK TO STEADY STATE.
I BELIEVE SO, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, IF, IF I COME BACK TO YOU IN A FEW MONTHS AND SAY THE 2023 SURPLUS IS, YOU KNOW, OF THAT SCALE, THEN YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S WRONG AND WE NEED TO MAKE A STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENT.
BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE RETREAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THINGS TURNED OUT LIKE THEY DID.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I NEED TO REPEAT ALL THAT, BUT, SO IN, IN 22, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, UH, LIMITED COMPENSATION.
A LOT OF OTHER, UH, LOCALITIES AROUND HERE GAVE RAISES.
UH, WE, WE, WE LIMITED A LOT OF THINGS ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE AND THEN THE REVENUE, YOU KNOW, PERFORMED, YOU KNOW, WELL, UH, FOR 23, UH, ONE OF THE, SORT OF THE UNDERLYING REALITIES IS THE INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND, UH, SO FOR, FOR A DECADE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, YOU REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT INFLATION.
UM, AND, AND NOW YOU DO AS WE'RE SEEING IN SOME OF OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
UM, AND IN 23, AS I MENTIONED, WE WERE ABLE TO DO SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS THAT THIS BODY HAS, HAS, HAS BEEN WANTING TO DO.
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SO WHAT'S 24 GONNA LOOK LIKE? WE'LL ALL HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IN TWO WEEKS.UH, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO KEEP OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM STRONG.
UH, WE DO NEED, UH, WE STILL ARE A VERY TOUGH LABOR MARKET AND WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE.
UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A VERY TIGHT BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO NEW POSITIONS.
SO IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING, TOM, YOU MADE, YOU MADE A POINT BEFORE, UH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE RECESSION, WE DID NOT WANT TO CUT EMPLOYEES AND WE DID NOT WANT TO CUT SERVICES TO, TO OUR CITIZENS.
WHERE WE HAD TO CUT WAS IN THE CIP P AND WE, WE DID NOT PUT MONEY INTO THE CIP P BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY THAT WE, WE HAD WENT INTO SERVICES FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO CUT THAT EITHER.
SO NOW WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP WITH PUTTING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN INTO THE CIP P CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT, THE BUILDINGS ARE OLD AND THEY NEED TO BE WORKED ON.
AND REAL QUICK, YOU MENTIONED THE COMPETITIVE LA LABOR MARKET.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS, IS THERE COMPETITION COMING FROM OUR PARTNER OR OUR NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES? OR IS IT COMING FROM THE PUBLIC JOB MARKET? WHAT'S, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE COMPETING AGAINST IT? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF JOB.
THERE'S CERTAIN JOBS THAT ARE LOCAL GOVERNMENT SPECIFIC THAT EVERY LOCALITY AROUND HERE COMPETES FOR.
AND THAT WOULD BE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, UH, SOCIAL SERVICE WORKERS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF THE WORKFORCE THAT THE COMPETITION IS BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR LIKE, UM, UH, CDL DRIVERS HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OPERATORS, IT EXPERTS, CONSTRUCTION TYPE THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHICH PART.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE IT'S PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING AROUND HERE CAUSE THE HAMPTON ROADS DITCH TUNNEL PROJECT IS KIND OF LIKE SUCKING EVERYBODY INTO IT.
UH, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE QUICK HISTORY OF, HEY MARK, EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND, MARK, WHY DON'T YOU GO OVER AND SIT IN THAT CHAIR OVER THERE.
I THINK FIRST IS DON'T NEED THE REST.
YOU TAKE MY PURSE OFF AND TURN OFF MY PHONE.
IN GENERAL, WE MADE THE POINT ABOUT CASH CAPITAL.
UH, THIS JUST KIND OF ILLUSTRATES SOME OF THE WAYS WE'VE USED CASH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT WE WOULD EITHER NOT HAVE DONE, HAD TO HAVE A HIGHER TAX RATE TO HAVE IT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET OR BORROWED.
SO, UH, WE ALL ENJOYED THE, UH, USED CAR, UH, EXPERIENCE WITH THE 2022, UH, SITUATION.
WE ALL LEARNED A LOT IN THE PROCESS, AS I'VE TOLD YOU ALL, I THINK PUBLICLY I WAS KIND OF FOCUSED ON REAL ESTATE AND I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO RECOMMEND A REAL ESTATE TAX RATE REDUCTION.
AND, UH, DIDN'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THIS, I SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT BETTER.
I THINK WE REACTED COLLECTIVELY IN A VERY GOOD WAY.
AND WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, WHILE HARD TO EXPLAIN, WAS HIGHLY EQUITABLE IN THAT PEOPLE WHO HAD A LARGE INCREASE IN VALUE GOT A LARGE BENEFIT.
AND, UM, BUT WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN.
SO, UM, AS WE DISCUSS IN THE RETREAT, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THIS, UH, WHAT DO WE THINK'S HAPPENING THIS YEAR? UH, THE WAY THE COMMISSIONER DOES THIS IS THE VALUES ARE DRIVEN BY, UH, WHAT THESE NATIONAL, UH, DOCUMENTS DECLARE THE VALUE IS IN JANUARY OF, OF THE YEAR WE'RE IN.
SO WHAT HAPPENS, REGARDLESS OF THE RATE YOU SET, THE VALUE OF YOUR VEHICLE AND YOUR JUNE BILL IS GONNA BE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE PULLS OUT OF THIS JANUARY, UH, NATIVE BLUE BOOK VALUE.
AND, UM, WE CAN'T SAY ABSOLUTELY, UH, BUT WE HAVE SAMPLED, UM, A SUBSET OF THE VEHICLES THAT WERE HERE IN DECEMBER OF, OR IN JANUARY OF 21.
WE'RE HERE IN JANUARY OF 22 AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE STILL HERE IN JANUARY OF 23 TO SORT OF PROJECT WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE COMING UP.
I'M, THIS, I'M NOT GETTING INTO THE RATE, I'M JUST GETTING INTO THE VALUE.
UM, SO THE GOOD NEWS IS IT IS COMING VERY CLOSE TO RETURNING TO NORMAL ON AVERAGE MM-HMM.
SO, WHICH IN YOUR, UH, YOU'LL SEE A BAR GRAPH HERE TO SORT OF TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT.
SO OF ALL OF THE 60,000 VEHICLES OR WHATEVER IT IS WE HAVE IN OUR COUNTY, UH, BASED ON
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THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WE'VE DONE SO FAR, THEY, IN ANY INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE ON AVERAGE WILL BE 1.7% HIGHER AND ASSESS VALUE IN JANUARY OF 23 THAN THEY WERE IN JANUARY OF 21 ON AVERAGE.IS THERE 60,000 VEHICLES IN YOUR COUNTY THAT ARE ASSESSED ON AVERAGE, THE VALUE IN JANUARY OF 23 COMPARED TO JANUARY OF 21 WILL BE 1.7% HIGHER.
SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER OVERALL GENERAL INFLATION OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, UM, PRETTY MODEST TRICK OF COURSE IS VARIATION.
THAT IS A PICTURE OF WHAT 1.7% LOOKS LIKE.
I, MY PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT I WOULD THINK THAT CAR VALUE WOULD GO DOWN, WELL, WHAT, BASED ON OUR EXTRAPOLATION OF A SAMPLE, UM, A MAJORITY OF CARS WILL GO DOWN IN VALUE.
EVERYTHING WILL GO DOWN COMPARED TO TO JANUARY OF 22.
BUT, UM, THE MAJORITY WILL GO DOWN COMPARED TO JANUARY OF 21.
SO THAT HIGHEST BAR, WHICH IS UH, IS THAT 16,000 VEHICLES THAT IS, OR 16,000 VEHICLES BASED ON OUR DATA WILL GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
ONE OR 2%, AGAIN, 23 COMPARED TO 21.
SO YOU DO SEE THERE'S SOME OUT THERE, THERE'S A FEW THOUSAND VEHICLES THAT ARE STILL GONNA BE, UH, PULL THE VALUE SOME SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER AND WE'VE GOT A FEW SAMPLES TO GIVE YOU.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME THOUSANDS TO THE LEFT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER.
BUT OVERALL, MUCH MORE LIKE A NORMAL MARKET THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE EXPERIENCED LAST YEAR.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE VALUE THAT THEY USE IN THE KELLY BOOK? SO THE WAY COMMISSIONERS UNDER STATE LAW HAVE SOME DISCRETION ON HOW VEHICLE VALUE IS ESTABLISHED, WHAT THEY ALL HAVE TO DO, AND, AND RICHARD CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT, THEY ALL HAVE TO USE SOME TYPE OF, UH, WELL-ESTABLISHED NATIONAL DATA AS OF JANUARY OF THE YEAR YOU'RE IN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DECIDE TO USE APRIL DATA OR DECEMBER DATA.
NOW WHAT OUR COMMISSIONER HAS DONE HAS ALWAYS TAKEN A, UM, BASICALLY THE LOWEST POSSIBLE VALUE.
SHE DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UM, ADD-ONS ON A VEHICLE.
SHE DOESN'T SAY, OH, IT'S WORTH A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE CUZ YOU HAVE A SUN ROOF OR CUZ YOU HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE.
SHE JUST, SHE TAKES THE LOWEST OF THE VALUES AVAILABLE, NO BILLS.
BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU'VE JUST BEEN PAYING YOUR TAX OVER THE YEARS AND IT WAS SOME NUMBER AND IT'S ANOTHER NUMBER YOU REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
IT'S JUST RELATIVE ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.
SO IN A WAY, WE KIND OF, WE DIDN'T GET ANY CREDIT FOR THE FACT THAT SHE WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHING THE VALUES, RELATIVELY SPEAKING ON THE LOW END.
I, IS THERE ANYTHING WE OR THE COMMISSIONER CAN MAYBE HELP OUT WITH? I'M LOOKING AT KIND OF SOME OF THE AD OUTLIERS HERE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW POOR SOULS THAT ARE GONNA SEE A 60% INCREASE OF THEIR VALUE FROM JANUARY OF 21.
AND WELL, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA STING WELL, YEAH.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS A STATISTICAL SAMPLE.
WE ONLY SAMPLE SOME, AND I WOULD HAZARDLY GUESS THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE NEVER LOOKED AT THIS UNTIL THIS PAST YEAR.
BUT IT, IT'S PROBABLY LIKELY THAT IN ANY RANDOM YEAR IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THERE WOULD BE SOME SMALL NUMBER THAT WERE ANOMALOUS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A PRODUCT THAT WAS IN SUPER DEMAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY COULD BE SOME CLASSIC CARS THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE, THIS IS JUST KIND OF, BUT, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE YOUR POLICY BASED ON SORT OF THE GENERAL TREND.
BUT, BUT WE'LL GET A COUPLE HINTS AT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR ONES COMING UP.
ANTIQUE AND CLASSIC CARS ARE NOT TAXED.
SO, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE, OKAY, SO THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THINGS THAT COULD DRIVE THOSE KIND OF THINGS IS LIKE, SO THIS IS A WILD SWINGING GAS VALUES SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REAL LOW AND SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WANTS A BIG MUSCLE VEHICLE, UH, AND THEN SUDDENLY THEY'RE REAL HIGH AND, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC OR HYBRIDS ARE, ARE REALLY POPULAR, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THESE ARE SOME PARTICULAR VEHICLES THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR AND THAT GREG GILLETTE AND THERESA'S OFFICE HAS SAMPLED, UH, AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY.
SO LET'S JUST SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
SO THERE'S A 2013 DODGE RAM, YOU SEE THE, THE, UH, 21, UH, WHAT
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HAPPENED IN 22, AND THEN WHAT WE PROJECT BASED ON OUR UNDERSTANDING IS GONNA HAPPEN.SO YOU, AND THEN YOU SEE THE TWO BE PAID, IT WENT UP AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE ONES ON THE LEFT.
IT'S GONNA GO DOWN FOR THE 2 20 20, UH, FORD, UH, TWO 50, UH, WAY DOWN FROM WHAT IT WAS IN 22.
YOU KNOW, A SMIDGE HIGHER THAN IT WAS IN 21.
I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THESE.
UM, THE, THE KIA SORT OF SIMILAR TO THE LAST EXAMPLE, UH, THE SILVERADO, THE, THE TRUCK, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY I MID 2010 SILVERADOS WERE, WENT UP A WHOLE LOT LAST YEAR AND APPARENTLY THEY'RE GONNA GO DOWN A WHOLE LOT IN 23
IF I MIGHT GO BACK TO MY, MY EARLIER QUESTION.
UH, WHAT WAS THE GROSS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REBATE? HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DOLLARS? 3 MILLION, 500,000.
3,000,500 WE'RE IN THAT CHART.
AND, AND IS IT SHOWING ME WHAT MY REBATE IS? UH, THIS CHART? DOES IT, DO WE HAVE A CHART THAT WOULD SHOW ME THAT? I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WE SEND IT OUT BEFORE.
SO I'M NOT HOLDING MY BREATH FOR A CHECK IN THE MAIL IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, DON'T, HUH? LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT HOLDING, WELL, WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T SEND CHECKS EXCEPT CHECK UP EXCEPT FOR YOUR BILL.
WE WERE IN ODD CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WAS FIGURE OF SPEECH.
EXCEPT MY POINT IS, WHERE WOULD WOULD MY REBATE BE? IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE COME, COME IN YOUR DECEMBER BILL, RIGHT? YES.
UM, AND YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, THE PATTERN IS MIXED AND IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH GAS PRICES OR POPULARITY OF ELECTRIC.
SO THE VAULT IS HOLDING UP A LOT MORE THAN A LOT OF THESE OTHER EXAMPLES.
BUT ANYWAY, THE POINT IS, IT'S GENERALLY RETURNING CLOSE TO NORMAL.
AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE RETREAT, IF Y'ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING, UH, WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY, AND OBVIOUSLY I'LL MAKE MY RECOMMENDATION IN TWO WEEKS, LET'S DO SOMETHING VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN.
THIS IS KIND OF A PHILOSOPHICAL STATEMENT THAT WE MADE THERE.
SO, UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE RETREAT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF A RUN UP FOR, UH, MY BUDGET RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO ON THE, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, UH, OUR REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE QUITE A BIT BELOW.
OUR ASSESSMENTS ARE QUITE A BIT BELOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET IS, UM, IS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A VERY CONSERVATIVE REASSESSMENT, WHICH IN MANY WAYS IS A GOOD THING.
UM, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY EXPECT THE REASSESSMENT NEXT YEAR TO, UM, HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT IN THE DISCUSSIONS.
UH, WHEN WE TALK TO FOLKS AND THEY TALK ABOUT REAL ESTATE TAXES, UH, HERE BEING HIGH AND IS BASED ON THE ASSESSED VALUE, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S USED AND WE'RE SEEING ASSESSED VALUES THAT ARE BEING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN SOME CASES BELOW THE ACTUAL, UH, MARKET VALUE OF A HOME.
SO I IS IMPORTANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND IN GENERAL HOW MUCH LOWER, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF RAISED, IF YOU WILL, IN THE WORLD WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU TAX AT A HUNDRED PERCENT VALUE.
RIGHT? THE VALUE THOUGH IS NOT, IT'S ANYWHERE CLOSE, NOT MORE CLOSE.
AND ON AVERAGE, 83% OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS WHAT WE'RE BEING ASSESSED ON.
SO IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BANK AND SOMEBODY COMES AND COMPLAINS ABOUT THEIR ASSESSMENT OFFERED TO BUY THEIR HOUSE AT THE ASSESSED PRICE, AND YOU WILL DO VERY WELL MM-HMM.
UM, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSITIVE IN TERMS OF THIS BUDGET PROJECTION BECAUSE HALF OF THE REVENUE ON REAL ESTATE WILL COME AFTER THE NEW VALUES ARE SET IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR.
THE OTHER VERY INTERESTING ONE FOR THE LAST, THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, INTERESTING.
INCOME WAS NOT EVEN WORTH TALKING ABOUT.
CAUSE THE RETURN THAT THE TREASURER COULD GET ON, UH, CASH WAS MINUSCULE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IN YOUR OWN FINANCES, YOU'VE NOTICED IF YOU HAVE A MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT OR TREASURY BILLS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, INTEREST RATES ARE GOING UP IN THE, YOU KNOW, 4% RANGE.
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THE FIRST TIME IN A DECADE AT LEAST, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A POSITIVE SOURCE OF REVENUE, INTEREST INCOME.SO THERE'S, THERE IS AN UPSIDE TO HIGHER INTEREST RATES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE COUNTY ANYWAY.
WHAT ARE THE ONE OF SOME OF THE, THOSE ARE THE YAYS, THE BOOZE? YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I WAS READING SOMETHING IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL TODAY.
UH, THE RECESSION'S ALWAYS SIX MONTHS IN THE FUTURE,
BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONSUMER TAXES SLOWING DOWN, UM, IF NOT A ACTUAL DECREASE.
BUT IF YOU TAKE INFLATION INTO ACCOUNT, CERTAINLY NOT ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
AND, AND HOW MIGHT THAT PLAY WITH THE RECESSION? AND ONE THAT'S REALLY HARD TO GET A HANDLE ON AND WORRYING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS IS HOW MUCH REVENUE DID WE LOSE FROM THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION? WHEN DOMINION FINALLY CLOSES, AND I BELIEVE IN APRIL, THEY, THEY TURN OFF THE OIL TURBINE FOR THE LAST TIME.
AND IT'S A VERY OPAQUE PROCESS.
OUR ASSESSORS AREN'T INVOLVED.
WE BASICALLY GET TOLD BY THE STATE HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET FROM DOMINION.
AND, UM, AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR 18 MONTHS, I THINK WE WILL LOSE SOME SIGNIFICANT REVENUE FROM DOMINION.
BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WAY TO QUANTIFY IT.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
SO EXPENDITURE PRIORITIES IN THE BUDGET YOU'LL SEE IN TWO WEEKS.
UH, EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION, WE'VE GOTTA STAY COMPETITIVE, UM, FUNDING THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND, UM, THE CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
SO WE SUSTAIN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
IT'S GONNA BE ON THE PRIORITY SIDE.
STRAIGHTFORWARD, NOT A LOT OF COMPLEXITY.
SO, UH, A COUPLE OF THE THINGS I, I'VE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU ASKED FOR FOLLOW UP INFORMATION ON, BUT THIS WAS, THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE TROUBLE SEEING THE SLIDE.
I THINK WALT AT THE RETREAT ASKED FOR A 10 YEAR PROJECTION OF, UH, EXPENDITURES PER CAPITA.
SO WE DID IT WITHOUT ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION AND WE DID IT ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION.
AND I HOPE, I THINK THERE'S A GRAPH WHICH, UH, IS EASIER TO FOLLOW THAN THOSE NUMBERS.
SO IF YOU TAKE, UM, THE GROWTH IN POPULATION AND THE EXPENDITURES PER PERSON AND YOU GRAPH IT OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, IT'S PRETTY STEADY MM-HMM.
WHAT YEAH, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DISRUPT, I MEAN, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN ANY ONE YEAR THERE CAN BE SOME ANOMALIES.
SO, UH, OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN.
OUR EXPENDITURES HAVE GROWN, BUT NOT TO SAME PERCENTAGE OR WE'RE SPENDING LESS, WELL, WE'RE SPENDING LESS.
AREN'T YOU DIVIDE PER PERSON? WE'RE SPENDING LESS.
AND IF YOU INGEST FOR INFLATION A LITTLE BIT LESS, WHAT'S THE BLUE IN THE ORANGE LINE? SO THE, UH, BLUE IS, UM, NOT ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
NO, IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND REVENUE ONE'S REVENUE ONE
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE BLUE IS WHAT? BLUE IS REVENUE AND ORANGE IS.
BECAUSE IT, UH, 2020 WHEN COVID STARTED IS WHEN THEY, THEY INTERSECT.
NOW EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE ORANGE.
THE BLUE IS REVENUE ORANGE AND THE ORANGE IS EXPENDITURE.
AND THIS STRAIGHT UP, NOT, NOT ADJUSTED, JUST, JUST ROLL ROLL DOLLARS.
SO THAT'S ADJUSTED FORM FLESH.
OH, THIS IS ADJUSTED REPLACEMENT.
OTHERWISE IT'S GOT, IT'S STILL GOTTA BE A, THE PLUS BETWEEN THE TWO.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SHOWED ON THAT BAR, THAT BAR CHART.
AND I WOULD BE TEMPTED TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT NOT SURE I CAN, BUT THE NO, YOU GO BACK.
BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHERE IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE HARD NUMBERS, THAT'S ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, NOT ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, AND JUST THE SPECIFICS OVER THE YEARS.
AND OF COURSE IN ANY ONE YEAR, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DISTORT THAT WELL.
SO THAT WOULD SHOW IN 2020, THE WAY I READ THIS IS THAT THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR.
THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR, OKAY.
BASED ON INFLATION THAN WE WERE, WE WERE DRAWING IN LESS REVENUE ON THE VALUE.
OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE, WHICH YOU BUDGETED AND THEN THE, AND THE INFLATION NUMBER.
SO THAT RED, THAT ORANGE LINES ABOVE THE BLUE.
SO IN THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, THE ONLY REASON WE HAD A SURPLUS IS BECAUSE WE SLAMMED ON THE BRAKES DURING THE BEGINNING OF COVID.
AND OUR EXPENDITURES WERE, YOU KNOW, DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE HAD A DEFICIT.
I'M SORRY TO, YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN FOR THIS, DID YOU? IT'S, SO THE LAST TOPIC WAS, UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT AT THE RETREAT WAS, UH, YOU ALL ASKED FOR SOME FOLLOW UP ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR ARRANGEMENT IS WITH
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THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY.AND, UM, SO WE SENT A REPORT, AND THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WAS IN THE REPORT SO MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD MAKE AN OPERATING CONTRIBUTION BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAPER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY THAN BUILD AND OPERATE OUR OWN.
AND THEN IS MY ASSESSMENT THAT THAT REMAINS TO BE TRUE? THAT REMAINS TRUE.
UM, ALTHOUGH IF THE TREND CONTINUES, THERE WON'T BE TOO MANY YEARS BEFORE WE EITHER NEED TO WORK TO CHANGE THE DEAL WITH OUR FRIENDS IN WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY, OR, UH, IT WOULD START TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU COULD JUSTIFY BUILDING OUR OWN LIBRARY.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SAY THIS? UM, WELL, THEY HAVE TWO LIBRARIES IN THEIR SYSTEM.
WE HAVE TWO, THEY HAVE TWICE AS MANY EMPLOYEES AS WE DO.
SO OUR OPERATING ARE OUR OPERATING CONTRIBUTION TO THEIRS.
PROPORTIONALLY IS MORE JUST BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THEIR SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE A PROBABLY WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A, I DON'T WANT, SAY KEVIN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S A GOOD WORD? I DON'T WANNA SAY NICER, FANCIER, UH, MORE ELABORATE CADILLAC.
UM, BUT SO HERE'S THE HARD BACK, JUST BACK UP.
AND THEN MA'AM, BACK IT UP RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'S THE $7.8 MILLION? 7.8 MILLION IS THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY OPERATING BUDGET.
SO WHY DO I CARE ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE IT'S TWICE OF WHAT THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE YORK COUNTY LIBRARY IS.
SO WHY DO I CARE ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE OF THE, WHAT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE? OKAY.
BUT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU, BUT IF, IF WE REACH A BREAK POINT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO ENTERTAIN, GO ON OUR OWN AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING FUNDING WILLIAMSBURG, WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD A LIBRARY OF THE SAME SIZE AS WILLIAMSBURG BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USE, NOT, NOT MANY PEOPLE USE IT.
WE COULD PROBABLY BUILD ONE THAT'S A QUARTER OF, OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA HAVE A ROOM FOR BOOKS AND SO FORTH, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO BUILD ONE AS EXPANSIVE AS THE, AT THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY, CUZ WE'RE NOT HOSTING AS MANY PEOPLE.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD GET THE SERVICES THAT COUNT THAT COME INTO PLAY.
BUT, BUT THEN YOU WOULD ALSO GET INTO THE ISSUE OF WOULD YOU BE DIMINISHING WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO, WHICH, WHAT I WAS GONNA END WITH IS, IS WHAT WE SHARED AT THE RETREAT, RIGHT? WHICH IS, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD ALL COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT MODEL THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW.
CAUSE THIS IS REALLY A 40 YEAR OLD MODEL, RIGHT? AND, AND SO, BUT, BUT THE NEWS HERE TO TOM'S QUESTION OF WHY DO I CARE, IS YOU SEE HOW, UH, THE WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY IS TIED TO THE JAMES CITY COUNTY PAY PLAN.
AND SO THEY HAVE TWICE AS MANY EMPLOYEES AS WE DO.
AND WHEN JAMES CITY COUNTY GIVES THEIR PEOPLE A RAISE, THEY'RE CALL OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE WILLIAMSBURG LIBRARY GOES UP, GOES UP.
AND SINCE THEY HAVE TWICE AS MANY EMPLOYEES IN THEIR SYSTEM AS WE DO IN OURS, IT PROPORTIONALLY IMPACTS US MORE.
SO IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY 16% INCREASES FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, PRETTY SOON IT STARTS TO BECOME AN ISSUE.
UM, BUT STILL, I THINK ALMOST ALL REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD AGREE IF YOU SAID, OKAY, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO DESIGN, BUILD AND EMPLOY PEOPLE TO HAVE A NEW LIBRARY, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN 800,000.
UH, AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOME TIME AWAY FROM THAT.
WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN GREATER WILLIAMSBURG NOW, UH, WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY MOSTLY, ALTHOUGH BRIAN FULLER HAS REPRESENTED US IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS, IS GOING ROUND AND ROUND ABOUT, UH, FUTURE LIBRARY RENOVATIONS OR NEW FACILITIES.
CITY WILLIAMSBURG REALLY WANTS TO BUILD A LARGE NEW LIBRARY IN DOWNTOWN.
JAMES CITY IS KIND OF CONFLICTED BETWEEN THAT BECAUSE MANY OF THEIR RESIDENTS DO FIND THAT CONVENIENT.
JUST LIKE MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS FIND DOWNTOWN WILLIAMSBURG CONVENIENT VERSUS JAMES CITY COUNTY FEELING THE NEED TO BUILD A NEW LIBRARY TO SERVE PART OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'VE HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT BRIAN AND I HAVE SUGGESTED, THEY'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT IT, UH, AND WE'VE KIND OF SAID, WELL, WE'RE KIND OF THE JUNIOR PARTNER AND WILLIAMSBURG AND JAMES CITY KIND OF NEED TO WORK OUT KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE PREPARING TO DO.
BUT I THINK AN EXCELLENT MODEL FOR THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHANCE OF THIS HAPPENING IS, IS RIGHT NOW, ALL
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THE LIBRARIES ON THE PENINSULA HAVE FREE ACCESS TO NEIGHBORING LOCALITIES ON THE PENINSULA EXCEPT WILLIAMSBURG REGIONAL LIBRARY.SO WE PAY $800,000 WILL BE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING TO THOSE LIBRARIES.
WHEREAS WE CAN GO TO THE PACOIN LIBRARY FOR FREE, AND PACOIN CAN COME TO OUR LIBRARIES FOR FREE, OR NEWPORT NEWS OR HAMPTON.
AND WHAT WE HAVE THROWN OUT IS, WELL, WHAT IF IN THE FUTURE, IF Y'ALL FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WE WANT TO BE A PLAYER, IF WE CONVERTED OUR OPERATING CONTRIBUTION, IF WE CONVERTED THAT INTO A CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION, THEN YOU ALL CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT YOU WERE AN OPEN LIBRARY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S, THEN OUR, THEN, THEN WE WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEW FACILITY.
OUR COSTS WOULD BE ROUGHLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE ANYWAY.
AND THEN OUR CITIZENS WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO WHATEVER ENDS UP GETTING DEVELOPED UP THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE PUT ON THE TABLE.
IT MAY BE A YEAR OR TWO BEFORE WE KNOW, BUT THAT JUST, THAT JUST CAME UP IN THE RETREAT DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, THE FACT THAT THEIR COSTS ARE GOING UP SIGNIFICANTLY OVERALL, AND FOR US IN PARTICULAR, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A POINT OF SENSITIVITY.
SO IF I MIGHT, ABOUT ABOUT 10 TO 50 YEARS AGO, THIS WHOLE ISSUE, UH, WAS STUDIED IN DEPTH AND WE QUICKLY, WE YORK COUNTY QUICKLY REALIZED TO BUILD A, A LIBRARY OF OUR OWN STAFFING, PROVIDE THE FACILITIES, OSH IS WAY THE HELL OVER OUR, OUR, OUR CAPABILITY WISE.
AND SO IT WAS VERY COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH JAMESON COUNTY OF WILLIAMSBURG TO USE THEIR LIBRARIES.
AND WHAT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS THAT SOME POINT IN TIME THAT BENEFIT IS DIMINISHING WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AGAIN.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S VERY COST EFFECTIVE.
BUT IF WE CONTINUE ON THE CURRENT TR DIRECTORY, WE MAY REACH A POINT WHERE SURE.
LIKE IT WOULD, IT COULD COST US MUCH TO BUILD OUR OWN AND SERVE OUR OWN PEOPLE THEN.
UH, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT RIGHT.
WELL THAT WAS THE FOURTH OF THE FOLLOW UP MEMOS OFF FROM THE RETREAT.
OH, WELL, YEAH, THIS IS THE, THE, OUR, OUR BUDGET, OUR STAFF FOR TWO LIBRARIES, YOU KNOW, COMPARISON, JUST A LITTLE BRAG PIECE ABOUT MR. SMITH'S EFFICIENCY.
THAT'S REALLY NOT, PRETTY, NOT BAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR LAST DECADE AND A HALF, IT'S FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S ONLY TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND, UH, SO, UH, STAYED LIKE THAT FOREVER.
THIS IS ANOTHER INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
WE PAY JUST ABOUT THE SAME THING FOR, UH, KEEPING PEOPLE IN JAIL AS WE DO FOR LIBRARY SERVICES.
I'M NOT SURE WE CAN MAKE OF THAT, BUT OKAY.
JUST A, JUST A FUN, SARAH, ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE, UH, VERY FOLLOW UP ON RETREAT.
WE'LL GO HEAD DOWN AND MOVE TO THE, UH,
[2 Presentation of Water Street Design Concepts. a. Memorandum from the County Administrator.]
PRESENTATION OF WATER STREET DESIGNED JAIL.SO WHO'S GONNA DO THIS? YOU GONNA INTRODUCE US? YES.
UM, SO, UM, LIKE, UH, EARL ANDERSON AND, UM, UH, OUR CONSULTANT FROM HILL STUDIOS TO COME TO THE TABLE, UM, I'M JUST GONNA SAY A FEW THINGS AND I'D LIKE EARL TO KIND OF DESCRIBE THE PROCESS WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND THEN YOU'LL RECEIVE THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, LAST, LAST SUMMER, UH, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TENTS AT THE PUB IN LARRY'S LEMONADE.
AND PROBABLY EVERYONE AGREES THAT THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF YOUR TOWN.
UH, BUT I THINK I CERTAINLY, AND I THINK THE BOARD AGREED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO PULL THE PLUG ON THOSE RESTAURANTS RIGHT AS THEY WERE COMING BACK FROM COVID.
AND, UM, SO THE BOARD, UH, AGREED TO EXTEND THE PERMISSION TO HAVE THE TENTS UNTIL LATE THIS COMING SUMMER.
AND THE UNDERSTANDING WAS MY DIRECTION WAS TO GO AND, UH, SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS APPROACH TO GOING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION.
AND THE BASIC PREMISE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE AND ARE CONTINUING TO INVEST SOME SIGNIFICANT MONEY ON THE LANDWARD SIDE OF WAR STREET.
AND ALL OF OUR EFFORT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND IT IS TIME IN THE CONTEXT OF TENTS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
IT'S TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT SIDE IN
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TERMS OF AESTHETICS, IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.UM, AND THIS IS NOT AN ENGINEERED STUDY.
WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORRYING ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES WERE.
THE THOUGHT WAS, UM, LET'S COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS FOR THE FUTURE.
AND THE PURPOSE TONIGHT IS JUST TO KIND OF GET Y'ALL A SENSE OF WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.
AND THEN WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UH, THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS.
MAYBE TAKE SOME OF THE BEST FROM THE OPTIONS YOU SEE AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN'T CHANNEL THAT INTO A SERIES OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
I DO HAVE ONE, I THINK PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT.
SOME OF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND HERE A LONG TIME THERE THAT, UM, THE GRANGER FAMILY, UH, OWNS THE BUILDINGS AND THE LAND WHERE, UH, THE PUB AND, AND LARRY'S ARE.
AND, UM, UM, MR. GRANGER HAS GOTTEN ENGAGED, UH, IN THIS PROCESS.
AND HE'S, HE'S, HE'S COME TO A COUPLE MEETINGS AND HE ACTUALLY CAME AND, AND SPOKE WITH ME YESTERDAY, AND HE EX HE EXPRESSED, UM, ENTHUSIASM FOR SOME OF THE IDEAS YOU KINDA LIKE SOME THINGS AND THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, BUT INDICATED, UH, AN INTEREST IN MAKING A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AT THE PUB IF WE WOULD SORT OF WORK WITH HIM TO CHANNEL THESE IDEAS IN A, IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WORK FOR HIM.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOME OF THE FOLLOW UP IF YOU GUYS LIKE WHAT YOU SEE.
AND SO EARL, THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.
MAYBE YOU COULD TELL 'EM ABOUT WHO ELSE DID STUFF AND THEN INTRODUCE OUR GUEST.
UM, SO I WORKED WITH TWO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS HERE.
AS NEIL SAID, WE HAD, UH, MATT JOHNSON WHO'S SITTING OVER THERE, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WE HAD MR. DARREN WILLIAMS, WHO'S THE CHIEF OF WATERFRONT OPERATIONS.
SO BOTH OF THEM VERY INVOLVED HEAVILY IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WATERFRONT RIGHT NOW FOR THE COUNTY.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE GREG WEBSTER.
HE IS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH HILL STUDIO.
UM, DURING THIS, THE LAST FEW MONTHS WE'VE BEEN PRETTY BUSY.
WE'VE MET WITH ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE, INCLUDING THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE BLUFF, INCLUDING THE CHURCH, UM, UH, MRS. BEVERLY CRAMS THERE, AND THEN, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE HOTEL, AND THEN MR. GRANGER AND THE TWO RESTAURANT OWNERS.
SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THOSE GROUPS.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETING SESSIONS, ONE ON, UM, MAIN STREET DURING CHRISTMAS ON MAIN STREET, AND THEN ALSO A, UH, ZOOM MEETING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, A WEEK AGO, UH, WITH SOME, WITH, WITH CITIZENS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND JUST TURN IT OVER TO GREG CUZ HE'S THE, UM, HE'S YOUR, HE'S THE ONE NOW, THE GRANGER YOU MET WITH WAS SUN GREEN, NOT BAD GREEN, CORRECT.
UM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND IF I, I WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH MATT, EARL, DARREN, MR. MORGAN, IN THE PROCESS.
UM, THIS IS A POINT TONIGHT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWITCH OUR, OUR, OUR BRAINS GOING FROM OUR LEFT SIDE TO OUR RIGHT SIDE, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM THAT LOGICAL, ALL THAT LOGICAL, UH, PRESENTATION TO A MORE, MORE GRAPHICAL, UH, PRESENTATION HERE.
SO, UM, MY NAME IS GREG WEBSTER.
I'M A ALASKA ARCHITECT WITH HILLS STUDIO.
UH, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, UH, ANOTHER CONSULTANT, A LOCAL CONSULTANT WPL, OUT OF VIRGINIA BEACH, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED SOME CIVIL ENGINEERING, UH, CONSULTATION FOR US.
UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH FOLKS LIKE V DIVE, UH, UH, LOOKING AT AT, AT SOME OF THE, THE, UH, THE, THE SURVEY INFORMATION, THE TRAFFIC INFORMATION, AND HAVE KIND OF HELPED US ALONG THE WAY.
UH, MR. MORGAN HAD ALREADY KIND OF EXPRESSED THE, THE INTENT BEHIND THE PROJECT, BUT TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THE PROCESS, WE, WE STARTED WITH EVALUATING THE SITE, UH, IN THE STUDY AREA.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN THE LOWER, UH, RIGHT HAND CORNER, THAT LITTLE WHITE BAR THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR DIRECT STUDY AREA UNDER THE AREA.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, LIKE, WHAT'S PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION LIKE, UM, WHAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? UH, AND WE HAVE TO MEET WITH A LOT OF THE PUBLIC, UH, AND GET COMMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, THOSE LIVING NEARBY, UH, SOME OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
HOW'D YOU GET THE COMMENTS,
UM, ONE OF OUR FIRST TRIPS WE CAME DOWN AND MET WITH, UH, SEVERAL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.
LIKE EARL MENTIONED THAT THE CHURCH, UH, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, UH, THE RESTAURANTS, UH, RIGHT THERE, UH, ALONG WATER STREET,
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UM, MRS. GRAHAMS, UH, WE, WE MET WITH, UH, DIRECTLY.UM, AND THEN ALSO ON THE, UH, MARKET ON MAIN, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF TURNOUT.
UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A RAINY, RAINY DAY, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP AND EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT, WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE, UM, OR WOULD OR WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO WE, UH, WE JUST HAD A, A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE WE PRESENTED THESE THREE OPTIONS, WHICH I, I WILL SHOW YOU GUYS TONIGHT WHERE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ON ALL THOSE OPTIONS.
SO LIKE, LIKE I SAID, WE DEVELOPED THESE, THESE DESIGN SCHEMES BASED ON A LOT OF THAT INPUT, UH, PRESENTING THE SCHEMES TO THE PUBLIC.
WE DID LAST WEEK AND THEN, UH, TO YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT.
AND THEN AFTER TONIGHT WE'RE, WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'RE REVISED AND DEVELOP A FINAL RECOMMENDATION BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU ALL.
SO THIS SLIDE WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE AREA YOU STUDIED ARE PROPOSING TO, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME MORE DETAIL AS WE KIND OF ZOOM IN THERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT JUST SHOWS YOU KIND OF THE GENERAL AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, WHERE THE EXISTING PARKING WAS, WHERE THE TROLLEY'S ROUTE WAS, AND THE TROLLEY STOPS WHERE THE SIDEWALKS WHERE ALL THAT IS IS JUST, IT, IT'S RELEVANT TO, UH, WHERE THE PARKING IS PARKING, RIGHT.
AND, AND RELATIVE WALKING TIMES FROM THE PARKING UNIT KNOW TO THIS AREA.
AND THESE THINGS INFLUENCE HOW WE START TO THINK ABOUT THE DESIGN, UH, ALONG WATER STREET.
UH, AND THIS IMAGE, I, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL BECAUSE IT, IT, IT SHOWS YOU ALL THE INFORMATION, UM, THAT, THAT WE, WE CAN GATHER, INCLUDING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THE OLD, UH, 1993 MASTER PLAN, UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT'S, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT ARE USING THAT WE COULD BUILD OFF OF AND, AND CONTINUE THAT CONTINUITY DOWN DOWN WATER STREET.
YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SERVICE, WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE VIEWS LIKE OUT OF THE RESTAURANTS, OUT THE WINDOWS, HOW WE, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE VIEWS TO THE WATERFRONT.
UH, AND EVEN LOOKING AT, UH, ALL THE INTRICATE AND HISTORICAL MATERIALS WITHIN YORKTOWN ITSELF.
AND THEN OF COURSE, A COUPLE PICTURES.
WE, UH, WE TOOK WHILE WE, WE WERE UP ON, UH, UH, MARKET ON MAIN, AND THEN WE, WE CONSOLIDATED THAT INFORMATION AND STARTED TO, UH, EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE STRENGTHS, WHAT ARE THE WEAKNESSES, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHAT ARE THE, THE THREATS THAT WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT? AND THAT WOULD IN TUNE, UH, TELL US HOW WE CAN REALLY START TO, TO TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTS THAT ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE, THESE, UH, ISSUES AND THESE ASSETS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND SO I, I'LL GO INTO THE THREE SCHEMES.
THE FIRST SCHEME, UH, WE LOOKED AT IS, IS A, A TWO-WAY OPTION, WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN USE THE MOUSE POINTY HERE.
BUT THE, THE TWO-WAY OPTION KEEPS THE CURRENT TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
UH, CUZ WE HAD HEARD SOME CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STOP TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY STOP AND GET, UNLOAD THEIR PICNIC BASKETS AND, AND, UH, AND TAKE IT OVER TO THE BEACH.
SO, UH, ONE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE PROVIDE THESE, THESE, THESE, THESE DROP OFF AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO GET OUT OF THE TRAFFIC AND, AND, AND DO THAT LOADING AND UNLOADING, UH, AND EVEN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR SERVICE TRUCKS TO LOAD AND UNLOAD, UH, BEER, FOOD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TWO RESTAURANTS THERE.
AND OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THE, THE BIGGEST ASSET, UH, THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE IS THE, IS THE WATERFRONT AND THE RIVER AND, AND THE, AND MAINTAINING THE VIEWS OUT, OUT TO THE RIVER.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S PARKING IN FRONT OF, UH, A LOT OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND WE LOOKED AT WHAT IF YOU TOOK THE CAR PART OUT OF THAT EQUATION AND OPENED THOSE VIEWS UP, UH, SO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN THE RESTAURANT MM-HMM.
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WE, WE MOVED THE PARKING AREAS, UH, OUT FROM, UH, FRONT OF THOSE, UH, TWO RESTAURANTS HERE MM-HMM.SO THE, THE ONE DOWNSIDE TO THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME, THIS TWO-WAY SCHEME, IS THAT IT WOULD BE LIMITED PARKING IN THESE AREAS.
UH, AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID STUDY, UH, EXISTING PARKING AREAS WAS TO DETERMINE THE COUNT, THE NUMBER OF, OF EXISTING PARKING SPACES MM-HMM.
AND WE DETERMINED THAT YOU COULD WALK FROM MOST PARKING AREAS TO THESE, UH, TO THIS TO WATER STREET, UH, UH, WITH WITHIN, UH, FIVE MINUTES, FIVE TO 10 MINUTES.
UM, SO WE'RE, I MEAN, I SEE OTHER IN THE ARCHER LOT.
I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK UP HERE AT, UH, RIGHT AT THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR IN THE, RIGHT.
SO THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME DOESN'T RELY ON CONVENIENT PARKING, SO I WOULD SEE THAT.
SO, SO OTHER OPTIONS, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO THIS AREA WOULD INCLUDE TAKING THE TROLLEY PARKING AT ANOTHER LOCATION, WALKING TO THIS AREA, UM, PARKING AND, AND, AND, AND WE, WE LOOKED AT ARE THERE AREAS TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING? YOU KNOW, CAN THE THE PARKING GARAGE BE EXPANDED OR, OR A DECK ADDED OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IF YOU KEPT, UM, OR IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS TYPE OF SCHEME WHERE YOU OPENED THAT PARKING MM-HMM.
UM, WE DO PROVIDE SOME PARKING BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS YOU SEE THERE, UM, MM-HMM.
AND THEN JUST ABOVE THAT, UH, I'VE GOT A LASER CORNER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL WORK ON THAT SCREEN UP THERE.
BUT IF YOU CAN SEE MY MOUSE RIGHT HERE, WE LOOKED AT, UM, ESTABLISHING SOME OUTDOOR DINING AREA BETWEEN THE TWO RESTAURANTS MM-HMM.
UM, BUT JUST BEHIND THAT, AS YOU GO UP THE BLUFF, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT YOU PROVIDE SOME VEGETATION THERE TO SCREEN A LOT OF THAT ACTIVITY FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE UP ON THE BLUFF SIDE.
AND IT WILL HELP SCREEN VISUALLY NECESSITY, THE LIGHT, THE NOISE, UM, THIS SCHEME, BECAUSE WE ALSO LOOKED AT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN, UH, THE RIVERWALK, UH, AREA FURTHER NORTH AND, AND GETTING, PULLING PEOPLE DOWN TO THIS AREA WITH A TWO-WAY SCHEME.
IT'S HARD TO PROVIDE THAT NECESSARY PEDESTRIAN, UH, WALKWAY OR SPACE.
YOU CAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE NARROWING.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A FIVE FOOT WALL LIMITED PLANTING, UM, AND LIMITED PARKING ALONG THAT, UH, ALONG THAT AREA.
SO YOU CAN SEE A SECTION DOWN BELOW THROUGH THIS TWO-WAY SCHEME.
UH, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE A DINING PATIO JUST OUT IN FRONT TABLES, CHAIRS, UMBRELLAS, UH, BUT YOU SEE, YOU, YOU KIND OF OPEN THAT VIEW UP ACROSS AND OUT TO THE RIVER.
UM, AND THERE'S A COUPLE PICTURES OFF TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE.
SO THERE'S A PICTURE UP THERE THAT DOES SHOW THE CARS, UH, OUTSIDE THE WINDOW.
AND THEN THE OTHER PICTURE I TOOK IS ACTUALLY FROM INSIDE THE HOTEL, UH MM-HMM.
AND SO HERE HERE'S A QUICK SKETCH OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER AND, AND, AND STYLE, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OUTDOOR EATING AREAS, UH, SOME, SOME PLANTINGS, UH, LOW LIGHTING, UH, CROSSWALK TO GET OVER TO THE BEACH WALL.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME, SOME MORE OF THE ORGANIZED PARKING HERE AND JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, VIEW OF, OF THAT MM-HMM.
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ONE THING, YEAH, WALT BROUGHT THIS, HAS BROUGHT THIS UP YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.
WHEN YOU SEE THESE THINGS THAT DESIGN YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THE CRUSH OF PEOPLE.
I'M GUARANTEE YOU THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A CRUSH.
UH, IT'S, THAT'S A REAL POPULAR BEACH.
THAT BOARDWALK DOWN THERE WILL BE, THEY'LL BE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER.
AND SO IT'S GONNA ALWAYS BE, WHERE ARE THE CARS? YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA, WHERE ARE THE CARS? THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, YOU GOT, YOU'RE SHOWING, WAIT, YOU MET EIGHT, NINE CARS IN THIS THING HERE.
THE PLACE IS THIS, THIS DURING THE SUMMER, THIS WHOLE PLACE HERE, THEY'RE HAVING TO KEY PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR YARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PARKING SPOT.
SECOND SCHEME IS A ONE-WAY SCHEME BE LOOKED AT.
AND, AND THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT IS CURRENTLY THAT'S, THAT BLUE LINE REPRESENTS, UH, THE WALKWAY.
AND IF ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE MONITOR, IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING I COULD NOT PRINT IN YOUR, IN YOUR DOCUMENT THERE, BUT THAT SMALL, THIN BLUE LINE WOULD BE A WALKWAY IF YOU WENT WITH A TWO-WAY OPTION.
IF YOU WENT WITH A ONE-WAY, YOU COULD CAPTURE A LOT MORE WIDTH FOR PEDESTRIAN SPACE DOWN THAT CORRIDOR FOR THINGS LIKE, UM, PLANTING, LIGHTING, WIDER SIDEWALK AND JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN AND AND THE VEHICLE.
AGAIN, IN THIS OPTION YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE BEAST DROP OFFS, UH, AS WELL.
UM, BUT THE WIDER AREA JUST REINFORCES AESTHETIC VILLAGE STREET SCAPE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING A LOT OF THOSE STREET PROPORTIONS DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF, OF A PEDESTRIAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH TREES THAT, THAT MM-HMM.
AND IT ALSO CREATES A STREET CALMING EFFECT BECAUSE AS THE ROAD NARROWS OH, THANK YOU.
UH, AS, AS THE ROAD NARROWS, UH, TRAFFIC WILL TEND TO GO SLOWER, UM, IN, IN A, IN A MUCH MORE NARROWER, UH, STREET WIDTH.
SO IF WE GO ONE WAY DOWN THE, THE STREET, DO WE PUT ALL THE OTHER TRAFFIC? DOES THAT PUSH IT BACK UP INTO THE VILLAGE ON MAIN STREET? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
OR I MEAN, IS IT, IT COULD BE A TREMENDOUS, UH, TRAFFIC BACK UP.
YOU GO UP READ RIGHT THERE BY THE, UH, NELSON HOUSE AND HORNSBY HOUSE IS OVER THERE.
AND, AND, AND THAT, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT A LOT OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC RAISED, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, WE, WE HAD THAT ONE WAY GOING SOUTHBOUND SO THAT SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD COME UP REED STREET.
BUT AT THAT CONVERSATION, UM, THE NORTHBOUND, UH, OPTION MIGHT, MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED, UH, FOR, FOR THAT, THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TRAFFIC COME DOWN, UH, IS WHITE BREN COME GRASS AND THEN COME UP, UM, WATER STREET? YEAH.
CAUSE ONE, IT'S SUCH A SMALL STREET.
SO SOME, SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC COULD, IF YOU WENT NORTHBOUND, WOULD BE DIVERTED UP RE STREET, THE REST WOULD BE GOING NORTHBOUND UP WATER STREET.
SO THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SPREAD OUT AS OPPOSED TO SOUTHBOUND, WHICH THEN IS ALL DIVERTED UP RERE STREET, WHICH CAUSED, COULD CAUSE REGION AND BALLARD AT THE TWO LARGER STREET.
SO, BASIC CHALLENGE IS TAG ON NARROW ROAD, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, THERE'S THIS BALANCING SOME OF THESE AESTHETIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY THINGS WITH THE CARS IN EVERY SCENARIO HAS ITS PROS AND CONS.
IF, IF YOU DID THAT UHHUH,
UH, SHOWS, YOU KNOW, USING A, A LOWER SCALE, SMALLER TYPE OF LIGHT, MAYBE A BALLARD LIGHT AS OPPOSED TO A, A POST LIGHT MM-HMM.
YOU'VE GOT A 12 FOOT LANE IN THERE.
HOW DOES, DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT THE STANDARD VDOT A LANE SIZE IS? SURE.
UH, 12 FOOT IS A, IS A VDOT STANDARD.
I THINK THE LOWEST THAT WE'VE DONE ON, ON VDOT PROJECTS HAS BEEN 11 FEET IS, IS THE LOWEST WE, WE
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CAN GO.BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE A NARROW ROAD.
IT, IT WOULD BE A NARROW ROAD.
UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE WERE FACED WITH HERE, IS THAT YOU, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH AT A NARROW, UM, WIDTH, UH, 12 AND 1224.
UH, SO IS IT 24? CURRENTLY? IT'S 24 CURRENTLY.
SO IF YOU, IF THE DIRECTION WAS, YOU GOTTA STAY TWO-WAY.
MOST YOU, IF YOU WERE REALLY PREPARED TO SQUEEZE IT, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP A COUPLE FEET.
THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR, FOR SIDEWALK.
THAT'S THE LIMITATION FOR TWO-WAY STREETS.
OH, MY CADILLAC CAN'T GET DOWN THERE FOR THE PARADE.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE OF THE OTHER, OTHER ITEMS THAT WE STUDIED WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING FROM CURB TO CURB IN THE STREET, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE TENTS HAVE A HAVE A TIME LIMIT, THEY'RE GONNA GO AWAY.
SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE OUTDOOR DINING ISSUE? BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A POPULAR THING NOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A STRUCTURE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THAT MIGHT HAVE A RETRACTABLE CANOPY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S TOO HOT, YOU COULD PULL IT OUT, UH, AND YOU COULD EVEN HAVE SIDES, UM, AND, AND CONTROL THE CLIMATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES A MULTI-SEASONAL TYPE OUTDOOR DINING SPEC.
I THINK THE DRAWING IS LOVELY.
I LIKE THE PUB, THE FACADE OF THE PUB.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S INTEGRAL TO THE COUNTY.
AND, AND, AND, AND THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OPTION THAT MIGHT, UH, TIE A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES TOGETHER IF YOU DID USE THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD, UH, JUST DO TABLES, CHAIRS, AND UMBRELLAS MM-HMM.
I GUESS THAT, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S THE YORKTOWN PUB.
YOU, YOU WANNA MAINTAIN THE YORKTOWN PUB CHARACTER AND RIGHT, EXACTLY.
AND SO THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS SKETCH HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT OF SPACE, UH, THAT YOU NOW ACQUIRE.
WITH, YOU KNOW, TREES, SIDEWALK LIGHTING AND PLANTING.
AND IT BECOMES MUCH MORE OF A, A SAFE CORRIDOR FOR PEDESTRIAN UNDERSTAND.
CAN WE EVER RUN OVER ANYBODY DOWN THERE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHOKE POINTS, ONE OF THE CHOKE POINTS IS TRA IS A TRAFFIC CALMING THING.
AND THAT, THAT WHOLE ROAD'S A CHOKE POINT.
WELL, I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, IN THE WARM WEATHER MONTHS, THERE IS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, CRUISING AND NOISE AND YEAH.
THE CRUISING IS, IS A ISSUE A LITTLE MORE.
WELL, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ABOVE IT DON'T WANT THAT.
SO ANYWAY, SOME MORE TRAFFIC CALMING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, COULD, COULD, THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF ARGUMENTS FOR DOING MORE TRAFFIC ON.
AND LASTLY, THE THIRD SCENE THAT, UH, I PRESENTING IS A, IS A ONE-WAY, UH, WITH EWOOD PARKING.
SO IT PRESERVES A LOT OF THE EXISTING PARKING MM-HMM.
WE, WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE ONE TO ONE.
WHAT'S THERE NOW? TO, TO, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING JUST ONLY BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT'S THERE NOW IS MORE OF A FIRST COMFORT SERVE.
THERE'S NO, YOU HAVE THE ANGLE PARKING, AND YOU USE UP LESS, YOU USE UP LESS WIDTH.
WIDTH, NOT SO MUCH LENGTH, BUT WIDTH.
AND, AND ANGLE PARKING IS, IS EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF, IN A ONE-WAY STREET SITUATION.
IT'D HAVE TO BE A ONE-WAY STREET, THOUGH.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A ONE-WAY STREET.
IF YOU, IF YOU HAD THIS SITUATION IN A TWO-WAY STREET, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE MORE WIDTH YES.
TO BACK OUT FROM A 90 DEGREE ANGLE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT TALK ABOUT PARK, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR INTO THE WEEDS IN THIS CONCEPT, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE TYPICAL, UH, VEHICLES THAT THE PATRONS DRIVE THERE, YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE NOT, AT LEAST WHEN I'M DOWN THERE, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF SMALLER VEHICLES.
I SEE SUV, FULL SIZE SUV, FULL SIZE PICKUP TRUCKS, AND A LOT OF MOTORCYCLES LIKE TO COME DOWN THERE TOO.
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WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU WERE CONCEPTUALIZING THIS, WERE YOU CONCEPTUALIZING VEHICLES OF THAT SIZE OR, OR MID-SIZE CARS, OR WHAT, WHAT WERE YOU, WHERE, WHERE WAS YOUR MIND AT WHILE YOU WERE DOING THAT? NO, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.IT'S SOMETHING AS DESIGNERS THAT WE, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTED WITH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE DESIGNING FOR SOCIETY THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO DRIVE BIGGER AND BIGGER VEHICLES? OR ARE WE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, USING MORE PAVEMENT AND MM-HMM.
UM, THE PARKING THAT WE USE ON ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IS A STANDARD, UH, NINE FOOT BY 18 FOOT SPACE, UH, WHICH IS THE UNIVERSAL SIZE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT VDOT ALSO USES AS WELL.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT USES A SPACE BIGGER THAN THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE A, AN OFFICIAL APPROVED MOTORCYCLE PARKING SPACE? COULD YOU, COULD YOU, COULD WE DESIGNATE FEW SPACES AND GET MORE MOTORCYCLE TO YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THAT TOO.
YEAH, YOU CAN, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU KEEP IT MOTORCYCLE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR, OR JUST CAN IT BE CONVERTIBLE PARKING, YOU KNOW, MOTORCYCLE PARKING DURING HIGH PEAK MOTORCYCLE DRIVING SEASONS, AND THEN CARS CAN PARK THERE ANY OTHER TIME? YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ARE SOME DETAIL DETAILS, BUT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU ACCOMMODATE THE, THE, THE MOTORCYCLES THAT COME DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET MORE VEHICLES PARKED IN THE SMALL AREA IF, IF YOU'RE FLEXIBLE LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.
UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME CARRIES OVER SOME OF THE SAME, SAME BENEFITS AS, AS THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, UH, IN, ACTUALLY IN THIS PARTICULAR SCHEME, WE'VE, WE'VE STRATEGICALLY PLACED THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE TWO RESTAURANTS IN THIS CASE.
SO YOU DO, YOU DO GET THE VIEWS OUT, UH, FROM THE RESTAURANTS OUT THE WINDOWS ACROSS THOSE SPACES OUT TO THE RIVER.
AND THE SAME WITH THE BEACH PARKING OR THE BEACH DROP OFF AREAS.
WE, WE PLACE THOSE IN AREAS WHERE, UM, IT WOULD BE VISUAL IT.
AND IT, IT TAKES OUT THE TREES IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE BEACH DROP OFF BUILT IN THERE.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU, YOU TRY TO FIND MY MOUSE HERE.
UH, YOU DO GET THAT VIEW OUT, OUT FROM THE RESTAURANTS HERE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOW THE, WE SHOW THE DINING TERRACE THAT'S BETWEEN TWO RESTAURANTS HERE.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE, WHERE OTHER DI OUTDOOR DINING SPACES COULD BE DEVELOPED LIKE HERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED WITH THE HOTEL ABOUT THEIR PLANS AND WHAT, WHAT THEIR, UH, WHAT THEY FORESEE AS, AS IMPROVEMENTS ON, ON THEIR END.
AND, UH, THEY, THEY WERE PRETTY PLEASED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PLANTING AND, AND INCLUDING A HEDGE MM-HMM.
SO THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE ACTUALLY GIVES US MORE ROOM TO DO THAT.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL SERVICE AREAS, TRASH, UH, UH, AREAS, RECYCLED AREAS, UM, LOADING AND SO FORTH.
UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE A SECTION THROUGH THAT UPPER TERRACE TO THE PARKING LOT THAT KIND OF LOOKS OUT OVER THE CARS.
AND THEN MAYBE WHAT SOME OF THAT STREET SCAPE CHARACTER COULD LOOK LIKE WITH BRICK PAVING.
AND THEN, UH, A, A SKETCH OF, OF WHAT THAT, THAT SCHEME WOULD LOOK LIKE HERE.
THE ONE THAT GIVES UP THE LEAST PART EXACTLY.
BY, BY MY ROUGH COUNT, THE OTHER TWO SCENARIOS, YOU'RE GIVING UP 15 ISH PARKING SPOTS.
AND THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN IT'S BUSY.
CAUSE I, I'LL SEE YOUR STATE DELEGATE AC CORDOZA SITTING THERE, AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ARE THERE ANY STATE OR FEDERAL GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, OUT THERE THAT YOU KNOW OF? AND MAYBE MR. CORDO SURE'S OFFICE COULD GET BACK TO US ON ANYTHING THAT HE MIGHT KNOW
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ABOUT, BUT UH, SURE.THAT MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF THE EXPENSES IN DOING THIS, CUZ I I SEE DOLLAR, I SEE A LOT OF DOLLARS.
AND, AND I, I DO HAVE A SLIDE HERE AT THE END AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT AND I, I'LL, UH, I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS.
UH, BUT BEFORE I GET THERE, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE LAST ITEMS WE LOOKED AT.
AND IT WAS THE, IT'S THE, UH, CHURCH STREET STAIR CORRIDOR THAT THE NEXT, THE, UH, UH, DEAD END OF CHURCH STREET DOWN TO WATER STREET.
AND WE, WE LOOKED AT, UM, CREATING A, A MORE LINEAR, UH, UH, SIGHT LINE FROM THE TOP, UH, OF THAT EXISTING STAIR DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF, OF WATER STREET.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT VISUAL CONNECTION MM-HMM.
SO IN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT, WE LOOKED AT MORE OF A GARDEN ESQUE, UH, SKI, WHICH I THINK WORKS WELL WITHIN THE, THE VILLAGE ATMOSPHERE, UM, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE HERE.
AND PICKING UP SOME VIEWS ON ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU MAY, UH, INCORPORATE INTO A, A NEW KIOSK THAT MIGHT BE EITHER DOUBLE-SIDED OR FORE SIDED THAT SHOWS A LOT OF THE EVENTS IN TOWN, UH, AS THIS IS A, A CONNECTION POINT FOR PEDESTRIANS COMING FROM THE UPPER SIDE DOWN TO THE LOWER SIDE.
UM, AND IT WOULD JUST BE INTEGRAL WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, UH, CURRENT STREETSCAPE, UH, DESIGN.
UH, AND THEN WE, WE LOOKED AT PULLING OFF SOME, SOME AREAS OFF TO THE SIDE AS YOU WALKED DOWN THE STEPS WHERE PEOPLE COULD STOP AND REST AND ENJOY THE VIEW MM-HMM.
UH, BUT IT, IT, AT THE SAME TIME, IT ALSO BUFFERS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UH, UTILITIES OFF TO THE SIDES.
AND THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, INTEGRATE SOME HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION ALONG THIS WALKWAY AS WELL.
AND HERE'S A QUICK, UH, VISUAL OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
UHHUH LOOKING FROM WATER STREET LOOKING UP UPSTAIRS, SO, SO, EXCUSE ME.
IN THIS SCENARIO, BASICALLY WE, WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO OVERCOME PROPERTY LINES CUZ THAT'S, THAT INVOLVES PUBLICLY OWNED LAND AND HOTEL LAND AND LAND OWNED BY GRAINGER I BELIEVE.
SO WE SOMEHOW COME TOGETHER TO CREATE THAT LOOK.
IS THAT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? YEAH, ACTUALLY IT ONLY A LITTLE BIT, MOST OF THIS IS, IS IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND IT WOULD ALSO TO SORT OF IMPROVED THE AESTHETIC VIEW FROM THE PEOPLE UP THE HILL LOOKING DOWN ON THE ROOF, THAT KINDA STUFF, WHICH HAS BEEN AN ISSUE OVER THE YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID ISSUE? YES.
AND I WANNA ANSWER YOUR, YOUR FUNDING QUESTION THERE.
REALIZE IT WOULD ADD THE ANIMATION.
SO WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, THE FIRST BEING FROM, FROM VDOT, CAUSE THIS IS A VDOT STREET.
UH, THEY DO HAVE SEVERAL, UH, UH, GRANTS AVAILABLE FEDERAL LANDS ACCESS PROGRAM GRANT, WHICH IS CALLED FLAP, THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM, UM, UH, WHICH USED TO BE CALLED T 21.
UH, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A SMART SCALE PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE, WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE AND, AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, LIMITATIONS AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF ELEMENTS YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THAT FUNDING CAN GO TOWARDS.
UH, AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE VIRGINIA DH C D DEPARTMENT OF, UM, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT HAS A BLACK GRANT THAT CAN BE USED, UH, THAT MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL FUNDING TOWARDS AS WELL.
SO THESE, THESE FIRST TWO, THEY'RE COLORED IN THIS, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR COLOR BECAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY MOST LIKELY, UH, TO PROVIDE THE MOST AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
UM, THE ONES ON THE LOWER HALF OF THE SLIDE, UH, FROM, UH, DCR, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, FUNDING GRANTS CAN FUND MORE, MORE OF THE SMALLER PIECES, UH, UH, SUCH AS, UM, THE TRAILS GRANT CAN FUND MAYBE SOME OF THE SIDEWALK, UH, UH, CUZ IT'S MORE OF A CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, ONE POINT A TO POINT B, UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME CLEAN WATER FINANCING AND, UH, SUCH IT'S THERE, UH, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE END UP WHAT WE DESIGN.
SO THE DESIGN IS, IT'S, IT'S, YOU'D
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HAVE TO SHOW SPECIFIC ELEMENT BECAUSES SPECIFIC TO WHATEVER YOU, YOU TO IMPROVE.SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION WE CHOOSE, WE'LL PROBABLY SEND THAT OPTION TO A COUPLE OF THESE AGENCIES AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, IS THIS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR YOUR PARTICULAR TYPE OF FUNDING MM-HMM.
WE, WE LOOK AT IT TAKING ANY PROPERTY THROUGH AMNT DOMAIN FOR THIS PROJECT.
OR IS IT, UH, THAT'S NOT HIS JOB.
BUT YOU, YOU MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
WE, WE GOT A, A LOT OF GREAT CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT TENDS TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS, UH, WITH, WITH ANY PROJECT MM-HMM.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART WE, WE'VE HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS.
MOST PEOPLE LIKED THE GENERAL IDEA, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF WATER STREET, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, PARKING IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, PLEASE ADDRESS THE PARKING.
UM, UH, WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER, I WOULD IMAGINE BLANK SOUND WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE SO MUCH, SO MUCH OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, EXCEPT MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE.
UM, BUT, BUT HOPE THERE WAS WITH THAT SCREENING, AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YOU WOULD'VE BEEN SOME WAY PUTTING SOME KIND OF SCREENING IN THERE AND THEN WITH THE PERGOLAS THEY COULD BE CLOSED IN THINGS OF THAT NATURE MM-HMM.
SO WHERE I WAS, OKAY, HEY, HEY, TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS GONNA LAST FOREVER.
WE KEEP DOING, LET'S GO AROUND AND GET YOU INPUT.
RECENTLY THE COUNTY HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH A NUMBER OF CRUISE LINES AND THESE CRUISE LINES GOT, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT BEING THAT YOU RATHER LARGE SHIPS COMING INTO YORKTOWN.
UH, I SAW ONE OR TWO OF YOUR PICTURES THAT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A PI OR SOMETHING RATHER, WHICH I DON'T THINK WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE LARGER SHIPS.
UH, TO WHAT EXTENT, IF ANY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER WE GO FORWARD WITH THE MM-HMM.
WELL, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY PROVIDING, UH, YOU KNOW, WIDER AREAS FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, FOR PEDESTRIANS TO WALK, WALK DOWN FROM POINT A TO POINT B.
CUZ RIGHT NOW THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO GET FROM SAY THOSE DOCKS OR, OR, OR THE RIVER WALK AREA, UH, DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE HOTEL, THE RESTAURANTS IS TO GO TO THE BEACH WALL RIGHT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, PSYCHOLOGICAL, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT.
THERE, THERE GOES THE QUICKEST ROUTE POINT AT BE AND TRUE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO WEAVE THEIR WAY.
AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S YOUR BEST ANSWER IS ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN CAPACITY.
WHICH WOULD BE A NICE, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENT IF THAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S NOT, THAT WASN'T THE FOCUS OBVIOUSLY.
BUT, BUT, BUT IT WOULD PROVIDE A, A, A SAFER CORRIDOR FOR THAT, THAT VOLUME.
THAT'S WOULD'VE TO BE THE BEST I GUESS.
HEY, CHAD, YOU GOT ANYTHING? ALRIGHTY.
STATE WHAT I WANT TO SAY, STEVE? YEAH, TWO THINGS.
DID YOU JUST LOOK AT A SCENARIO THAT CARRY THE ONE WAY STREET PAST THE REED STREET, PAST THE PIER? THAT WAY YOU CAN DIVIDE TRAFFIC GOING UP THE HILL AND TWO STREETS, SO EVERYTHING FLOWING INTO ONE STREET.
DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT.
AND SECOND OF ALL, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON IS THAT WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH HERE, THAT WE MAINTAIN EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE PUB AS OF THIS DAY.
SO AS ALWAYS BE THE YORKTOWN, IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE OPERATORS THAT THEY WANNA DO THAT, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WELL, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY BOTH.
AND ALSO THAT WE BLEND, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ALREADY HAVE HIGHER UP TO THIS TOO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TWO AREA LOOK, LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WANT, WE WANT TO MAIN, WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT, THAT ON DOWN AND KIND OF, IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN EXTENDING THAT DOWN AND MAINTAINING WHAT THE CHARACTER IS TODAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME, SO.
AND, AND IT'S, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT IN, IN OUR DECISION MAKING DESIGN PROCESS TOO.
YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DO CARRY THE CONTINUITY OF THAT AND THERE'S MATERIALS DOWN MM-HMM.
SO IF FRANK, SO THE DRIVER TO THIS IS THAT WE WANT TO GET RID OF THE COVERS THAT ARE DOWN HERE AT THE, AT THE PUB AND WHATNOT, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN WE, THE BEAUTIFICATION AND ALL THAT STUFF PUT US ASIDE.
SO THAT WAS THE SPECIFIC, OKAY.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND YOU, YOU'VE DONE THIS, UH, WE
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PROBABLY HAD TO DO IT AGAIN, BUT WHEN WE CREATED THE RIVERWALK RESTAURANT AREA DOWN THERE, IF YOU WILL, THE WHOLE AREA, UM, I KNOW SHEILA AND, AND WALTER REMEMBERED THIS, THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE, IT TOOK 13 YEARS AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE CITIZENS DOWN HERE TO FIGURE IT OUT.UH, YOU KNOW, CUZ WHAT THEY GOT IS A LOT OF THEIR INPUT.
AND SO WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, TRAFFIC IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A PROBLEM DOWN THERE.
THIS PLACE IS A ZOO, THE FIRST, FIRST 90 DEGREE WEATHER.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS, UH, THIS PLACE GETS SWAMPED.
UM, SO WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TENTS AND WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, LET THE, LET THE, LET THE OWNERS OF THE RESTAURANTS AND LET THE CITIZENS AROUND THERE MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
SO, SO MY DEFAULT, UH, NEXT STEP WOULD BE, WE KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THERE ARE PLANNING ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THE IDEA WAS TO KIND OF GET IN FRONT OF THAT SORT OF CHANNEL SOME OF THESE IDEAS MM-HMM.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO BACK WITH BOTH THE, THE, THE INTERESTED RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES AND SEE WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE COME UP WITH.
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S EVERYONE MM-HMM.
SO GREG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE SUPERVISORS AT THIS TIME? UH, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT IS, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE.
[CONSENT CALENDAR]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA.THERE'S THREE ITEMS, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
THANKS FOR COMING FOR THE FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH AND THE, UH, JANUARY 27TH.
FEBRUARY 7TH, THE REQUEST FOR REFUND OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES FOR DISABLED VETERANS.
AND ITEM FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REFUND REAL PROPERTY TAX FOR C B I WILLIAMSBURG LLC, WHICH IS PROVIDE FIRM, UH, ASK THE BOARD IF THERE ARE.
ANYBODY WANNA PULL ANY OF THOSE? IF NOT, I'LL MOVE TO, OKAY.
ANYBODY WANNA PULL IN IT? NONE.
I'LL HAVE THEN TAKE A, UH, ANY POINT OF DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THEM.
THE MOTION MADE, IF I, MRS. NOEL IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
[6 Purchase Resolution: Sewer Pumps - Hickory Hills Pump Station. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-38 to execute a contract with Sherwood-Logan and Associates for sewer pumps located at the Hickory Hills Pump Station.]
UH, NEW BUSINESS.UH, FIRST ITEMS, PURCHASE RESOLUTION SEWER PUMPS FOR HICKORY HILL PUMP STATION.
SO, SO ALL THREE OF THESE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS HAVE SOME, UH, TERM SENSITIVITY, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
THE RITA HAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UH, WE'RE NEAR THE END OF DESIGNING THE RE REHABILITATION OF THE HICKORY HILLS PUMP STATION AND, UH, THE SEWER PUMPS HAVE A LONG LEAD TIME.
AND SO WE'VE KIND OF LEARNED SOME THINGS DURING THE WHOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE.
AND SO WHAT PUBLIC WORKS IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU AUTHORIZE US TO GO AHEAD AND BUY THE PUMPS AND THEN THE REST OF THE WORK WILL FOLLOW ONCE THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE.
OKAY? UH, SO THIS IS LIKE 35 YEAR OLD PUMPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I NEED, UH, UH, PROBABLY WANNA MOVE OUR 23.
HOW NEW RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 38.
YOU NEED DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 38 TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT FOR SEWER PUMPS LOCATED AT THE HICKORY HICKORY HILLS PUMP STATION.
[7 Purchase Resolution: Law Enforcement Building Fit-Up Items. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-44 to authorize the County Administrator to purchase items necessary to equip the new Law Enforcement Building.]
WHICH IS A PURCHASE RESOLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.IT'S A FIT UP FOR ITEMS. SO, UH, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO A REPORT I SENT Y'ALL A FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT ALL THE REMAINING THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO FIT UP THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.
REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE ON THIS.
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS THE COUNTY HAS EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN.
UH, YOUR SENIOR STAFF TEAM THAT'S WORKED THROUGH THESE ISSUES IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU? ARE THOSE FIT UP ITEMS, UH, THAT EXCEED $100,000 THAT REQUIRE BOARD AUTHORIZATION? UH, AND THEY'RE PACKAGED HERE BEFORE YOU.
UH, THE AUDIO VISUAL EQUIPMENT, THE NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE, THE EVIDENCE COLLECTION AND STORAGE, UH, THE VIRTUAL TRAINING, UH, THE CCTV UPGRADE, UH, AND THE, UH, UH, ALL OF THE FIRE ALARM AND BUILDING SECURITY ITEMS. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR ONCE WE ORDER THEM.
SO YOU KNOW THAT OUR URGENCY IS GETTING THOSE ORDERS IN SO IT CAN ALL COME TOGETHER IN EARLY 2024.
UH, ANY, UH, DISCUSSION THIS POINT SHORT OF DISCUSSION? NO.
ANY DISCUSSION? IS IT SHORTER? OKAY.
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NONE.WELL, SO I, I WANTED TO GIVE, UM, TIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GIVE US A KIND OF A 30,000 FOOT VIEW ON THIS NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I WANTED TO ALSO THANKS SHARP MONTGOMERY TO SPENDING SOME TIME WITH ME TO GO OVER EACH OF THESE BULLET POINTS TO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE'RE GONNA USE IT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE FUTURE PROOFING THE PURCHASES.
SO THEY'RE NOT IN TWO YEARS, WE'RE NOT TURN AROUND AND, AND REIT IT AGAIN.
AND ALSO THE WORK THAT YOU, YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND COUNTY STAFF WENT THROUGH TO CUT COSTS, YOU KNOW, FROM TALKING TO YOU.
WE SA WE'RE SAVING SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT DUE DILIGENCE.
BUT TIM, I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE, YOU KNOW, ONE IT GUY ANOTHER AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE LOOKED LIKE IN PARTICULAR, GIVEN THE CRITICALITY OF THIS BUILDING AND ITS USE WHAT OUR VENDOR SUPPORT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN, HOW QUICKLY DO WE GET BACK UP AND RUNNING AGAIN? SO, OKAY, TIM? YEP.
SO ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT ON HERE, MULTIPLE REDUNDANCIES.
SO NO SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE.
YOU HAVE THE WIRED NETWORK AS WELL AS THE WIRELESS.
AND WE'RE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE.
WE'RE NOT BUILDING FOR TECHNOLOGY FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE NOT BUILDING FOR A CRYSTAL BALL 50 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE EQUIPMENT WE'RE PUTTING IN, UM, WE'VE DONE VERY SMART.
LIKE MR. RON ELABORATED, ELABORATED TO EARLIER WAS WE'RE NOT BUYING ALL NEW EVERYTHING.
WE'RE MOVING THE EQUIPMENT FROM THE EXISTING FACILITY OVER.
AND THEN WITH THE LARGER SPACE, WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING THAT WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
UM, THE MEETING ROOMS, ESPECIALLY THE COMMUNITY MEETING ROOM, THERE'S GOING TO BE TOP-NOTCH COM UH, TECHNOLOGY IN THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN PRESENT.
IT'S INTUITIVE FOR CITIZENS THAT CAN COME IN.
SO YOU DON'T NEED AN IT DEGREE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE ALL THE NICE THINGS.
YOU GO THERE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE SCREEN.
UM, IN THE DOUBLE CLASSROOM MEETING SPACE, YOU CLOSE A LITTLE ACCORDION AND IT KNOWS THAT YOU WANT TWO CLASSROOMS. ALL THE AUDIO IMMEDIATELY SWITCHES OVER AGAIN, NOT BUILT FOR IT.
PEOPLE BUILT FOR THE AVERAGE USER TO COME IN AND JUST HAVE SEAMLESS TECHNOLOGY.
UM, SOMETHING THAT I HOPE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL BE VERY THANKFUL OF.
LIKE I SAID, ALL NOT ALL NEW STUFF.
WE'RE UTILIZING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
WE ALSO MADE EXTRA EFFORTS SINCE THIS IS A SIZEABLE EXPANSION OF WIRELESS AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE REACHED OUT AND SAID, WELL, DO WE WANNA STAY WITH OUR CURRENT VENDORS OR IS NOW THE TIME TO SWITCH AND MADE SURE THAT WE WERE DOING THE MOST FI FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING FOR ALL THE CITIZENS.
SO ALL AND ALL CISCO SOLUTION LOOKS LIKE MM-HMM.
AND, AND WE TRIED SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR LEADERS AND CISCO WITH, THEY HAVE, UH, ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE LEVERAGE AN ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT.
SINCE WE HAVE OTHER CISCO DEVICES, WE'RE ABLE TO GET OVERALL SAVINGS BY ADDING ON TO THEM WHERE THE OTHER VENDORS WEREN'T EVEN CLOSE.
AND E E PLUS IS DOING THE IMPLEMENTATION OR THE IMPLEMENT? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE BUYING MOST OF THE HARDWARE FROM.
THE AUDIO VISUAL, WE'RE GONNA BE GOING WITH ANOTHER COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN THAT.
THE SUPPORT FOR MOST OF THE STUFF IS WHOEVER WINS THE SMART NET CONTRACT, WHICH IS BACKED UP BY CISCO, WE GET DIRECTLY TO CISCO.
THEIR TOP-NOTCH SUPPORT, ALL THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS ARE 24 7.
WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FINANCIALLY WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE REDUNDANCIES.
IT'S NEXT BUSINESS DAY BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY INTELLIGENT ABOUT THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? WALTER? I'LL TAKE A MOTION FROM YOU, PLEASE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? SEEING NONE.
ROLL CALL MOTION MADE BY MR. ZAREMBA TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 44 TO AUTHORIZE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PURCHASE ITEMS NECESSARY TO EQUIP THE NEW LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.
[8 County Participation in New Opioid-Related Settlements. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-39 to approve York County’s participation in the proposed settlement of opioid-related claims against Teva, Allergan, Walmart, Walgreens, CVS, and their related corporate entities, and directing the County Attorney or the County Administrator to execute the documents necessary to effectuate the County’s participation in the settlements]
EIGHT.UNDER THE, UH, THE NEW BUSINESS COUNTY PARTICIPATION IN THE NEW OPIOID RELATED SETTLEMENT.
SO THIS IS URGENT FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
UM, YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NEWS THESE VARIOUS OPIOID SETTLEMENTS THAT VARIOUS STATES ATTORNEY GENERALS ARE WORKING OUT.
UM, A COUPLE OF THEM HAD ALREADY, UH, WE HAD ALREADY SIGNED ONTO, UH, THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS ADVISED THAT WE NEEDED TO GET A RESOLUTION FROM YOU ALL TO SORT OF LOCK DOWN OUR CUT.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ONES IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS REFLECTS, UH, PAYMENTS THROUGH THE STATE FROM THESE VARIOUS LAWSUITS OF THE DIFFERENT PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.
THE MONEY COMES WITH SOME STRINGS ATTACHED, UH, THAT IT HAS TO BE USED FOR THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF DRUG DEPENDENCY RELATED.
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MENTAL HEALTH.UM, AND, UM, WHILE THIS IS A GOOD THING, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OVER 20 YEARS.
NOT, UM, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS RIGHT AWAY.
ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FROM, UM, MR. MORGAN? OKAY.
SO YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THE UPDATE.
UM, I TAKE A MOTION FROM, UH, MR. RON? YES.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, RESOLUTION ON R 23 DASH 39.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION AND HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH MONEY IS IT EXACTLY? IT'S, IT'S SOME, I WANT SAY IT'S A, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE KNOW OF IT'S ABOUT $700,000 OVER THE NEXT 15, 60 YEARS.
THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE MONEY IF WE GET IT? WE'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
THERE'S EVERY AGENCY THAT HAS THAT TOUCHES ANY OF THESE ISSUES, THINKS THEY OUGHT TO HAVE IT, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR OWN DEPARTMENTS AND PROGRAMS COULD USE IT.
SO, UM, THE MONEY WILL DRIBBLE IN FINANCE DEPARTMENT IS SETTING UP AN ACCOUNT TO HOLD THAT MONEY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU WHEN WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS IF WE GET IT.
NO, WE'LL GET IT EVENTUALLY, BUT, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE THROUGH A COUPLE OF GROUPS THAT JUST PAID IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE PAYING 10, 15,000.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING IT IF WE DIDN'T PASS THIS SMITH CORRECT.
WE MAY NOT, WE MIGHT, MIGHT BE AT RISK.
CALL FOR ROLL CALL MOTION MADE BY MR. RON TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH 39 TO APPROVE YOUR COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPOSED SETTLEMENT OF OPIOID RELATED CLAIMS AND DIRECTING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS TO IN ACTUATE THE COUNTY'S PARTICIPATION.
[OPEN DISCUSSION]
DISCUSSION.NOW, LEMME FIND, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I HAVE A LOVELY LADY IN, IN MY DISTRICT WHO IS 96 YEARS OLD TODAY, AND MARY VOLUNTEERED TO GO AROUND AND COLLECT SIGNATURES FOR ME SO THAT I COULD PUT MY NAME ON THE BELT.
AND I HAVE TO, I'M LOOKING FOR MARY'S LAST NAME BECAUSE I ALWAYS CALL HER MARY.
MARY WALKS HER DOG THREE TIMES A DAY.
SHE'S A DELIGHTFUL WOMAN AND OF ENGLISH EXTRACTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT IRISH, BUT ENGLISH AND IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
SO I JUST REALLY WANT TO, TO MENTION MARY, AND LET'S SEE, I THINK I ACTUALLY FOUND HER LAST NAME CAUSE I NEVER CALLED HER BY HER LAST NAME.
SO, MARY BAYLIS, IF YOUR SON IS LISTENING, OUR YOUR FRIENDS ARE LISTENING.
I HOPE THEY ALL WISH YOU A VERY, VERY HAPPY 96 YEAR OLD OR YOUNG.
WE'D LIKE TO SAY BIRTHDAY TODAY.
OKAY, MR. ZBA, I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE.
AND, UH, THIS MOTION IS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD, UH, WILL DIRECT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PUT TOGETHER A FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE OBJECT OF WHICH IS TO EVALUATE THE COST EFFECTIVENESS OF MOVING THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION AND TRAFFIC OFF OF SPRINGFIELD ROAD ONTO HAWKS NEST TO GET THE SAME JOB DONE.
IT, THE TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY DOING WITH THE SUBDIVISION CALLED, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? TRANQUILITY.
WE'VE BEEN ABUSING THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE ON SPRINGFIELD ROAD FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS NOW, AND THIS WHOLE INTENT WOULD BE TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC.
AND WE'VE SEEN PICTURE AFTER THE PICTURE, AFTER THE PICTURE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW HEAVY THAT TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING SPRINGFIELD RAILROAD TO SEE WHAT THE FEASIBILITY IS TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC TO, AGAIN, HAWK'S NEST AND WHATEVER IT WOULD COST TO, TO MAKE THAT OCCUR.
SO TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME MISSION, AND THIS WOULD BE A TEMPORARY THING UNTIL THAT CONSTRUCTION FOR, FOR HAWK FOR, UH, THE SUBDIVISION WAS COMPLETED.
OKAY? SO, UM, GOD, WHY DO YOU DO THIS? OKAY.
UM, THERE'S SOME RULES WE HAVE HERE, REFERENCE MOTIONS, OKAY? MM-HMM.
OKAY? NOW WE CAN DIRECT AND WE CAN ASK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO PROCEED, LOOK AT THIS STUFF, BUT TO ACCEPT A MOTION RIGHT NOW, UM, AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DIG OUT THE RULES.
UM, SO WHILE HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT, WE WILL HOLD YOUR MOTION ON ABEYANCE.
WELL, LET'S, BUT THE POINT, WE
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GOT OTHER, WE GOT OTHER FOLKS, BUT, UM, HAVE A MOTION WHERE WE HAVE A BOARD ACTION LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE, ALL RIGHT? MM-HMM.THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MOTION WAS TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME MORE DISCUSSION TO FOLLOW THIS OKAY.
WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST ASK THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO DO IT.
TO, TO DO IT, PLEASE, MR. MORGAN.
UH, CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME WOULD BE TO COME UP WITH KIND OF A GRANT CHART OR A CRITICAL PATH WITH, IF ONE WANTED TO LOOK INTO THIS, WHAT ALL, WHAT ARE ALL THE THINGS YOU'D HAVE TO DO? UH, YOU'D HAVE TO START WITH A LITTLE CONCEPTUAL ENGINEERING WORK.
YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE TIME THINGS, DIFFERENT THINGS TOOK.
UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO, DO THAT.
FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE, MY ONLY CAUTION WOULD BE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS EASY OR SIMPLE OR INEXPENSIVE, OR IN INEXPENSIVE.
AND I, I ACTUALLY SUSPECT THAT TIME MIGHT BE THE BIGGER ISSUE THAN MONEY.
UH, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO, TO DO THE STUDY AND REPORT.
SO, I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO, HE'S GONNA DO IT.
THERE'S THREE SUPERVISORS HERE THAT WELL, IF WE NEED A MOTION, I'LL ALSO, OKAY, HANG ON.
SO IF THE MOTION IS TO ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE EXPENDITURE OF MONEY, THEN WE WOULD'VE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTICED, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
SO IF I COULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF I MAY, THE INITIAL WORK COULD BE DONE WITHIN THE DOLLAR LIMIT THAT'S UNDER MY AUTHORITY, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
WE MIGHT COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
SO IF I MAY RECOMMEND, UM, THE APPROACH THAT YOU SUGGESTED, OKAY.
WHICH IS THAT A REQUEST BE MADE TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO COULD THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SUCH A WAY.
SO JUST PUT US, BUT TO PUT A, PUT IT IN A FRAMEWORK THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
THE ISSUE IS THE ROAD AND, UM, THE TWO ROADS MM-HMM.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
SO I UNDERSTAND WITH THAT IN LINE, AND I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THAT SO WELL FOR SPRINGFIELD ROAD.
THAT'S SPRINGFIELD ROAD, RIGHT? GOT THAT.
RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND YOU ASSIGNMENT.
ALRIGHT, CAN, SO ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.
HOW ABOUT YOU? UH, LAST TIME WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH RAIL SAFETY IN THE, IN THE COUNTY AND LOOKING INTO THAT, UH, ALONG THOSE LINES, I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN.
I DIDN'T SEE IT IN LAST WEEK'S, BUT, UH, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT WATER SAFETY AND MAYBE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR WATER SYSTEM.
UH, THAT, THAT'S, UH, AND I KNOW NEWPORT NEWS OWNS THE WATER SYSTEM, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF IT IS HERE IN YORK COUNTY AND WHAT KIND OF STEPS THAT WE MIGHT BE TAKING TO SAFEGUARD OR DRINKING WATER? YOU MEAN FROM A, UH, FROM ANYTHING TYPE SITUATION? FROM ANYTHING, YEAH.
A LOT THAT JUST SAID THAT'S FUTURE, THE FUTURE COME BACK.
SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IN ONE OF THE FUTURE MEETINGS SESSION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? SURE.
LATER, JUST BECAUSE OF MY PRIOR HISTORY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S SUCH A VOLUME OF WATER THAT THE, A LOT OF PRACTICAL LIMITATIONS ON WHAT A BAD ACTOR COULD DO TO MESS IT UP BECAUSE OF THE QUANTITY OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR BEST DEFENSES.
IT'S JUST VOLUME LIMITS, WHAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL FOR A RIGHT BAD GUY TO DO.
BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE PIECES.
CASE IN POINT, UH, REMEMBER OF YEARS AND YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, SOMEBODY WAS USING A BACKHOE AND THEY BROKE, UH, A PIPE, SEWER PIPE THAT DUMPED ABOUT 250,000 GALLONS OF, OF RAW SEWER SEWAGE INTO THE PACOIN RIVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS, OH MY GOSH, NOW OUR, OUR RIVER HAS TURNED INTO A SEWER.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO BACTERIA, BACTERIA COUNTS AND, AND THEY LOOK TO SEE THE IMPACT IT HAS, ESPECIALLY ON OYSTERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN SEAFOOD.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GIVEN TO THE ENGINEERING, UH, DEPARTMENT WAS THAT THE VOLUME WATER WAS SUCH THAT EVEN THE 250,000 GALLONS WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRITICAL AMOUNT IS, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S BOTHERSOME JUST TO HAVE IT.
BUT THE POINT IS, TO NEIL'S POINT
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IS THAT THE, THE VOLUME OF WATER MAKES A DIFFERENCE.IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, IF YOU GO OUT WEST WHERE THE WATER IS VERY LIMITED, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A LARGE AQUIFERS.
THEY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THEY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWERS, YOU GO TO CHESAPEAKE, LOOK AT THAT TOWER.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BLOWING UP A TOWER, DAMAGING A TOWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
OKAY, STEVEN? YEAH, SO JUST KIND OF CIRCLING BACK TO THE, UM, THE SPRINGFIELD ROAD SITUATION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT GIVE A QUICK ORDER OF APPRECIATION TO MR. MR. RICHARD SUTTON.
UM, ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, HE'S MET ME OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK, YOU KNOW, ON SITE, LOOK AT SPRINGFIELD ROAD, LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT BACK THERE.
IT'S PROBABLY SPENT TWO, THREE HOURS WALKING AND DRIVING AROUND THROUGH THE WOODS, BACK THROUGH HAWKS DESK ROAD, JUST LOOKING AT THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS BACK THERE.
SO, AND THAT INCLUDES AS OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS TOO.
SO I APPRECIATE HIM TAKING THE TIME, ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS, AND PULLING OUT THINGS THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN.
HE HAS A LIE FOR THAT I DON'T.
AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, PROBABLY MOST OF US, ALL OF US HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ALREADY TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER.
I KNOW THERE'S ONE, ONE OF THE TIMES I WAS OUT THERE, YOU ENDED UP BEING OUT THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
WE WERE JUST ON TWO SEPARATE STREETS.
WE NEVER PASSED, NEVER CROSSED.
BUT WE WERE AT THERE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I KNOW MEMBERS OF STAFF HAVE BEEN OUT THERE TOO.
ALSO, TAKING A LOOK AT NOT JUST THE SITUATION, BUT ALSO THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE MADE LAST YEAR TO SEE HOW THEY'RE HOLDING UP AND HOW THE ROAD'S HOLDING UP AND THE LIGHT SITUATION OUT THERE AND, AND SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGING THING.
AND, AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION TO, TO LET'S DO A, A ORDER MAGNITUDE STUDY TO SEE, ALL RIGHT, IF, IF, IF YOU WERE TO PROCEED WITH THIS, WHAT ARE ALL THE MAJOR STEPS IT WOULD TAKE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST DOLLARS, IT'S NOT JUST RUNNING TRUCKLOADS OF DIRT OUT THERE.
THERE ARE, UH, WOULD IMAGINE THERE ARE PROBABLY STEPS THAT I CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TO GET IT DONE.
SO HAVING THAT HIGH LEVEL OF MAGNITUDE STUDY MAKES A LOT, LOT OF SENSE.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THERE IS A BIT OF TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE BECAUSE YEAH, THAT TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, FORTH, RIGHT.
AND IT'S DEF DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY A TIME AND ISSUE.
HOW MUCH CAN WE GET DONE IN TIME TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL CHANGE BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE WORK'S DONE? UM, SO, SO I, I KNOW WE'VE ALL BEEN OUT THERE TALKED AND LOOKED AT THE THINGS AND OPTIONS.
AND NEIL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT ELSE HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS? I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA MISS ANYTHING HERE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SHARED WITH YOU AND, AND OTHERS THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO WE ARE PREPARING A REPORT THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY INITIAL STAFF COMMENTS BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, TOM ASKED FOR AFTER THE LAST MEETING.
AND I HOPE TO HAVE THAT DONE IN ABOUT 10 DAYS.
UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE FINAL WORD ON ANYTHING, BUT IT JUST GIVES YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY I'LL NEED TO MODIFY THAT BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT.
AND, UM, MY OWN PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, UM, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER, AND I'LL HAVE SOME CON MORE SPECIFIC COMMENTS, UH, PUTTING SOME TIME AND ENERGY TO THE END STATE OF SPRINGFIELD ROAD WHEN ALL OF THIS IS DONE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S SOME REAL POTENTIAL FOR SOME, SOME PROGRESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE ALSO CONTACTED, UH, THE FOLKS AT HENDERSON AND THEY ARE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY HAVE PROMISED TO GET BACK TO ME WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO.
SO I HOPE TO INTEGRATE ALL THAT AND REPORT I'LL SEND, SEND TO YOU HOPEFULLY IN ABOUT 10 DAYS.
BECAUSE I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN THE VACUUM THAT WE'RE ENGAGED IN THE, THE MAJOR PLAY RIGHT THERE, WHO IS HENDERSON, CUZ I'M SURE THEY GOT SOME INSIGHT THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED YET ON HOW WE CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THIS TROUBLE.
UM, JUST, UH, HIGHLIGHT ONE OF OUR, OUR, UH, FIRE, UH, FIRE LIFE RESCUE FOLKS.
CAUSE WE ALWAYS GET LETTERS AND COMMENTS FROM, FROM VARIOUS, UH, UH, CITIZENS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK OUT OUTSTANDING WORK.
AND IT SAYS HERE THE YARD, IT WAS A NOTES THAT CAME OUT OF IMMEDIATE RELEASE AND IT WAS, UH, THIS WAS FEBRUARY 23RD.
IT SAYS, DURING THE OPENING CEREMONY OF THE VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, VIRGINIA FIRE RESCUE CONFERENCE, YORK, UH, COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, DEPUTY CHIEF ALLEN W BALDWIN WAS SWORN IN AS THE 74TH PRESIDENT OF THE VIRGINIA FIRE CHIEF'S ASSOCIATION.
UH, THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT IT'S A CONTINUATION OF, UH, OF PERFORMANCE, OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE, UH, BY OUR FIRE CHIEFS.
AND, UH, DEPUTY, UH, CHIEF BALDWIN IS THE FOURTH MEMBER OF THE YORK COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF OF FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY TO ASCEND TO THIS PRESTIGIOUS STATEWIDE FIRE AND RESCUE LEADERSHIP POSITION.
SO, UH, IT GOES ON AND TALKS ABOUT THE VARIOUS ONES, UH, THE, THE, THE OTHER, OTHER CHIEFS.
BUT I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE, UH, CHIEF BALDWIN FOR, UH, FOR HIS OUTSTANDING WORK IN A PRESTIGIOUS, YOU KNOW, JOB HE'S GOING, HE'S DOING AND, AND WHAT HE'S BEEN RECOGNIZED FOR.
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THIS POINT THEN, WE HAVE NO CLOSED MEETING.UM, AND, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS WILL BE AT SIX O'CLOCK ON MARCH THE 21ST.
FIRST IN THE BOARD ROOM AT YOUR CALL.
AND WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS.