Feb 07, 2023 Board of Supervisors

ITEM, UH, OPEN DISCUSSION AREA.

I'M GONNA CALL FOR, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT TO THE, UM, TO THE

[10 Reconsideration of Application No. UP-999-22, Ashley Anderson. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R23-5 to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 141 West Semple Road.]

AND, UH, WITH THAT WE WILL RECONSIDER THE APPLICATION, UH, NUMBER UP 99 9 DASH 22.

ASHLEY ANDERSON, BEFORE WE PROCEED, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE RULES.

UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, KIND OF A STRANGE APPLICATION.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT AND I'LL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.

HOW DID WE GET, UH, TO THIS POINT FOR A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION AS DESCRIBED ON JANUARY THE 17TH, 2023, AT A REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE BOARD HELD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION OF ASHLEY ANDERSON FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE A TOURISTS HOME AND AN EXISTING DWELLING AT 1 41 WEST EPEL ROAD, WHICH IS ROUTE 7 26, UP IN THE WELLS DISTRICT.

AFTER, AFTER DELIBERATION, THE BOARD DENIED THE APPLICATION ON A VOTE OF THREE TO TWO SUPERVISOR GREEN RON, SUPERVISORS GREEN.

RON AND ZAREMBA VOTED TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND SUPERVISOR SHEPHERD AND NOEL VOTED TO APPROVE.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT EVERYBODY CAN REMEMBER THE ORDER.

OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL DAYS, SEVERAL SUPERVISORS CONTACTED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THE SUBJECT OF ASHLEY AN, UH, EXCUSE ME, OF ANDERSON'S APPLICATION COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR RECONSIDERATION.

IT IS WELL KNOWN AMONG THE SUPERVISORS THAT A ONE YEAR WAITING PERIOD IS REQUIRED BEFORE SU BEFORE SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME PETITION CAN BE RECONSIDERED BY THE BOARD COUNTY ORDINANCE 24.1 DASH 1 33.

UH, WHICH TITLE RECONSIDERATION STATES THAT WHEN THE BOARD HAS OFFICIALLY ACTED ON A PETITION FOR AMENDMENT, NO OTHER PETITION, AND THE WORD I'M STRESSING HERE IS PETITION OR SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME CHANGE, UH, SHALL AGAIN BE CONSIDERED UNTIL ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF OFFICIAL ACTION.

I'M HIGHLIGHTING THE WORD PETITION BECAUSE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY READS THE ORDINANCE AS PREVENTING THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE, MS. ANDERSON, FROM BRINGING THE PETITION AGAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR, BUT NOT PREVENTING THE BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FROM RECONSIDERING ITS VOTE UNDER PROPOSED PROCEDURES, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY PROVIDED GUIDANCE IN WHICH HE NOTED THAT YORK COUNTY BOARD SUPERVISOR'S RULE OF PROCEDURES, JANUARY 3RD, 2023, SECTION THREE POINT, EXCUSE ME, THREE DASH 12 AND IN QUOTES, A CALLED RECONSIDERATION OF MOTION, CETERA, UPON WHICH VOTE HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED, PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECONSIDERATION SECTION THREE DASH 12 OF THE PROCEDURE STATE.

AND A QUOTE MAY BE, AND THIS IS, UH, JUST KIND OF A, UH, NOT THE WHOLE PARAGRAPH, BUT, BUT IT BASICALLY, IT SAYS THAT THE RECONSIDERATION MAY BE CONSIDERED RECONSIDERED, OR THE MOTION CAN BE RECONSIDERED ON A MOTION OF ANY MEMBER WHO VOTED WITH THE PRO PREVAILING SIDE IN THIS PARTA IN THIS CASE WOULD BE GREEN, UH, RON AND ZAREMBA, AND PROVIDED THAT SUCH MOTION SHALL BE MADE AT THE SESSION OF THE BOARD AT WHICH IT WAS DECIDED SINCE THE BOARD HAS A, UH, HAS ADJOURNED.

THE JANUARY 17TH MEETING TO THE PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BOARD RETREAT SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY THE 27TH, THE BOARD HAD THE OPTION OF RECONSIDERING ASHLEY ANDERSON'S APPLICATION AT THE RETREAT.

THE ADJOURN THE ADJOURNMENT BASICALLY MEANS THE RETREAT OF JANUARY 27TH IS A CONTINUATION OF THE JANUARY 17TH MEETING.

AND AN EMAIL DATED JANUARY 20, JANUARY 20, 20, 23.

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TO THE BOARD, MR. ZAREMBA OFFERED TO RE-LOOK APPEAL OF THE ANDERSON APPLICATION.

HIS STATEMENT OF APPEAL WAS PRECEDED BY AN EMAIL FROM THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH IS ME STATING THAT A RECONSIDERATION OF ANDERSON'S APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE HELD AT THE RETREAT, BUT AT A REGULAR MEETING WHERE THE PUBLIC WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL CHANGE ON JANUARY 20TH, BASED ON MR. ZARUS OFFER TO APPEAL, I DIRECTED THE STAFF TO PLACE THE ACTION ON ON, ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2023 AGENDA.

THAT'S THE DAY SINCE THE FEBRUARY 7TH MEETING IS CONSIDERED A SEPARATE MEETING FROM THE JANUARY 17TH JANUARY 27TH MEETINGS, THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW PROCEDURES STATED IN SECTION THREE DASH 13.

IT'S CALLED SUSPENDING RULES.

SO HERE WE ARE IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND IN SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FELLOW SUPERVISORS, I WILL CONDUCT A MEETING AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

THIS MOTION WILL BE MADE BY SUPERVISOR NOEL OKAY.

AND REQUIRES A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL BY THE BOARD.

AFTER THAT MOTION, THEN I'LL HAVE A SECOND ACTION.

I WILL ASK SUPERVISOR ZAREMBA FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ANDERSON SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

UM, ASSUMING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT ON THAT PROCEDURE.

THIRD, I WILL ASK SUPERVISOR GREEN TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 23 DASH FIVE, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME IN, UH, THEN EXISTING DWELLING AT 4 1 41 WEST ROAD.

AFTER THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, WE WILL THEN FOLLOW PROCEDURES, WHICH I WILL THEN ASK FOR BOARD DISCUSSION, AND THIS IS WHERE THEN EVERYBODY WILL SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY.

AFTER THAT DISCUSSION, I WILL, THEN IT'S CONCLUDED.

I WILL THEN CALL FOR A VOTE.

SO WE GOT BASICALLY THREE MOTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROCEDURES? SAYING NONE.

I WILL THEN, AT THIS POINT, ASK MS. NOEL TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, OR EXCUSE ME, TO SUSPEND THE RULES.

I MOVE THAT THIS BOARD SUSPEND ITS RULES PURSUANT TO THE BOARD'S RULE THREE DASH 13, IN ORDER TO ALLOW A MOTION TO BE MADE TO RECONSIDER THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS VOTE ON JANUARY 17TH, IN THE MATTER OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, APPLICATION NUMBER UP 9 99 DASH 22, APPLICATION OF ASHLEY ANDERSON.

OKAY, SINCE THE MOTION'S MADE ANY DISCUSSION, SEEING NO DISCUSSION, A CALL FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

MR. ZAREMBA? YES, THIS IS NO.

RULES ARE SUSPENDED FOR THIS ACTION.

NOW I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR MR. ZAREMBA, UH, CONCERNING A RECONSIDERATION.

THANKS, CHAIR.

I MOVE PURSUANT TO THE BOARD'S RULE THREE DASH 12 THAT THIS BOARD RECONSIDER IS VOTE TAKEN AT THE MEETING OF JANUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR, DENYING APPLICATION UP 99 9 99 DASH 22 BY ASHLEY ANDERSON FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A TOURIST HOME AT 1 41 WEST SIMPLE ROAD, PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH FIVE.

WE SHOULD HAVE THE WHOLE HOUSE AS SHORT TERM RENTALS.

RECEIVING A, UH, UH, A, UH, MOTION FROM THE, UH, PREVAILING SIDE.

UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? SEEING NONE, GO AHEAD.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE FROM LAST TIME, BUT, UH, I'M IN RECEIPT OF A LETTER, AND I BELIEVE ALL OF THE OTHER SUPERVISORS HAVE IT FROM JUNE, UH, OF 22 FROM THE HOUSE.

AND IN THIS LETTER, THEY DID A VERY NICE JOB IN OUTLINING, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE COMMUNITY INTEREST THAT WE HAVE WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.

UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF 'EM.

AND THEY GAVE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT WE SHOULD BE.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, UH, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE ON OUR PROCEDURE, BUT WE NEED TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN OPPORTUNITY AND PROTECTING THEIR COMMUNITIES.

PROVIDE A FIRM FITTING FOR DECISIONS, WHICH, UM, VERY GLAD THAT WE'RE TAKING THIS BACK UP.

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS THEIR PURVIEW IS ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DECISION PROCESS, WHICH WE DID ALLOW TIME AND CO AND THE COST FRUSTRATION TO THE APPLICANTS SO THAT THEY DON'T FIT, THAT WE CAN MAKE ALLOWANCES AND ALSO MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OPERATIONS.

THEY ALSO GAVE US EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GENERAL RULES.

WE SHOULD ALIGN THESE WITH THE HOME OCCUPANCY, THE OCCUPATION BASICS.

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WE SHOULD HAVE OWNER OCCUPANT AND RESIDENCE.

WE SHOULD GRANDFATHER SOME OF THESE.

THE YORKTOWN VILLAGE ACTIVITIES SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM IT.

WE SHOULD ALWAYS ALLOW COMMUNITY INPUT.

AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE DENSITY OF THESE, UH, WHERE WE PLACE THESE.

AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PUTTING FOUR OR FIVE NEXT TO EACH OTHER, UH, AND HOW MANY SHOULD BE, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WE SHOULD CONSOLIDATE THE COUNTY PROCESS ON THE SHORT TERM APPLICATIONS.

I THINK THESE ARE GOOD GUIDELINES.

I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE.

I THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB IN MAKING STRIDES TO MAKE THIS PROCESS MORE STREAMLINED.

UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO CALL THAT ATTENTION AND, UH, WITH THAT I USE, OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT I DID RECEIVE A LIST OF, UH, OF, UH, PROPOSALS FOR HOW TO APPROACH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, TERM, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TOURIST HOMES.

UH, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM STEVE AND, UH, WHAT I WAS GONNA DO, UH, SOMETIME LATER, UH, OR EARLIER THIS YEAR.

BUT AFTER THE MEETING, I WILL THEN CONTACT EACH OF YOU AND HAVE YOU TRY TO ADD TO IT SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL GIVE US SOME BASIS AND WE CAN TAKE OTHER INPUTS LIKE YOU HAVE.

SO, GREAT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH.

I'M WANNA MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, UH, THESE SO-CALLED STANDARDS.

TWO.

OVER TWO YEARS AGO, THIS BOARD PUT IN MOTION A TASKING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DEVELOP A SET OF STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

TWO YEARS.

GAVE THEM LICENSE TO GO OUT, LOOK AT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS JURISDICTION TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

TO THIS DATE, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDED SET OF SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDARDS.

SO WITHOUT THESE STANDARDS, WHAT WE'VE BEEN FORCED TO DO FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS ALRIGHT, IS TAKE THEM UPON CASE BY CASE BY CASE, LISTENING TO THE APPLICANT'S ARGUMENT OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, AND LISTENING TO ANYBODY ELSE WANT, WHO WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING TO DENY THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT OF THE COUNTY TO BE THIS FAR ALONG, THAT THEY'D HAVE TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A SET OF STANDARDS.

SO PEOPLE, WHOEVER THEY MIGHT BE, IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENT THEIR HOUSES OUT, A SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL HAVE FAILED MISERABLY.

NOW THAT ASIDE THIS APPLICATION, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY I AM AT FAULT FOR NOT THOROUGHLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE READER HAD WAS FOR THE 3RD OF JANUARY WHEN WE TOOK THIS UNDER CONSIDERATION.

WELL, CAN I, CAN I, YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION, SO CAN WE YES AND NO, BUT GO AHEAD.

YEAH, GO.

CAN WE JUST SAY THAT FOR THAT DISCUSSION? SURE, SURE.

AND WE, THIS IS RIGHT NOW JUST BRINGING IT BACK FOR RECONSIDERATION.

SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM YOU FOR RECONSIDERATION.

AND THAT'S, ANY OTHER GOOD DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL PLEASE.

SO ALL IT DID REQUIRE IS A MAJORITY FOR RECONSIDERATION.

AND, UM, WE WILL NOW, UH, MOVE TO A, UH, A MOTION TO RECON, UH, WE GOTTA RECONSIDER, SO A MOTION TO APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION, AND I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 23 DASH FIVE.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? I DON'T SEE ANY.

I WANT TO CARRY IT AFTERWARDS.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

ON THE MOTION.

MR. GREEN? NO, MR. ROME.

REAL, REAL QUICK.

WE'RE NOT DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE.

NO, THE DISCUSSION COMES AFTER THE MOTION'S MADE.

SO WE'RE, WELL, IF YOU DON'T VOTE THE POINT OF ORDER, IF I MAY.

THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

IT DOESN'T NEED A SECOND.

NOW YOU HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN ON THE MOTION.

WELL, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IS, NO.

HANG ON A SECOND.

THE MOTION WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS TO APPROVE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO I'M NOT, YEAH, AND DON'T GET SCREWED UP.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND NOT TO VOTE.

I'M SORRY, I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF ON THAT ONE, SO GOOD POINT.

ABOUT TO SCREW THIS UP.

AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.

UM, SORRY.

AT THIS POINT WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION.

SO, SO, MS. , A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS.

SO THE REASON I VOTED NO IN THE PREVIOUS MOTION WAS BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE ANYTHING HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT WE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND THE DECISION WE BASED WE MADE BASED UPON THAT.

SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A NEED TO RECONSIDER, RECONSIDER RECONSIDER IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MABO CAN CHANGE, CHANGE FROM THAT.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, I DO WANT AN OPPORTUNITY EVERYBODY TO, TO DISCUSS IT, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANNA STATE THAT SINCE NOTHING'S CHANGED, I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

NOW, IF WE WANT TO DO THIS, THAT'S FINE.

BUT SPECIAL USE PERMITS LIKE THIS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS

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ARE ALWAYS HELD IN A PUBLIC FORUM DURING A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE PUBLIC COMMENTS CAN BE HAD.

NOW, I KNOW THAT WE CAN ARGUE THAT WE ALREADY HAD THAT, THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE HAD, BUT THAT WAS MET UPON.

WE HAD COMMENT, PERIOD.

WE VOTED ON IT, CLOSE, CLOSE THE DOOR ON IT.

WE'RE, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT.

THIS IS A WHOLE NEW, FOR ME, A WHOLE NEW CYCLE.

SO IF WE WANNA DO THIS, I THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS TO CARRY THIS FORWARD INTO A PUBLIC HEARING AS PROPER AS WE HAVE DONE FOR ALL OF THESE IN THE PAST, SO THAT WE CAN GET BACK INTO THAT SAME CYCLE.

SO THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEP UP, SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER VOTE ON IT AND GO FROM THERE.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M STANDING.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT.

UM, I DUNNO WHAT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD IS, BUT I THINK THAT IS A PROPER, PROPER THING TO DO.

UM, SO IN LIEU AT THIS POINT OF A MOTION TO TABLE, WHICH WOULD THEN TAKE US TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT AN, AT A LATER MEETING, UM, ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE FROM THE BOARD OF WHETHER YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU'D FEEL GOOD ABOUT TABLING IT AND NO, I DON'T.

AND DOING THAT, OR WE JUST, WE CAN PROCEED.

NO, I THINK WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT.

I THINK WE NEED TO PROCEED.

WELL, I DON'T MIND TABLING IT IF THAT WOULD GET US SOMEPLACE WHERE IN FACT, THE FINAL DECISION IS A MEANINGFUL THAT ENCOMPASSES WORK OR THE STANDARDS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PUT IN PLACE TWO YEARS AGO, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION OF BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEVEN MEMBER BOARD, THE DAY THEY TOOK THE VOTE, THREE OF THOSE MEMBERS WORKED OUT.

AND SO THE TWO WHO VOTE RESULTED IN A RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL, WHICH IS KIND OF NONSENSE.

BUT THEN WE'LL GET A STRONG RECOMMENDATION BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH ALL THE RIGHT ARGUMENTS MADE IN THAT, IN THAT WRITING TO APPROVE THE PETITION.

SO MY POINT IS THIS, UH, IF WE CAN NEVER GET TO A POINT WHERE, UH, WE FIELD THIS LEVEL AND WE'VE GOT ARGUMENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE PRO OR NOT, I'M TIRED OF GETTING PHONE CALLS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH FRIENDS OF MINE.

WHO TELL ME THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING.

THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING.

EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS PRECEDENT SETTING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS.

UH, AND THE ARGUMENT ABOUT DENSITY OF THESE PLACES, IF YOU DROVE AROUND THE UPPER COUNTY, MY DISTRICT, YOU JUST FIND WHERE'S THE DENSITY? YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DENSITY AT ALL.

BUT MY POINT OF IT IS, YEAH, I'M WILLING TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND LET THE PUBLIC COME BACK AND VIEW, BUT I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT SHIELD IS TRYING TO SAY WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

HOW LONG DO WE WANT TO CARRY THIS THING OFF? MM-HMM.

THAT FIRST MOTION MADE BY, UH, NO, YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE FIRST MOTION.

IF SHE MADE THE FIRST MOTION, YEAH, I MADE THE FIRST ONE THAT COULD HAVE PUT THE THING TO THE END RIGHT THEN OR THERE.

IF, IF ONLY ONE OF US SAID, NO, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT MOTION, AND WE'D BE ALL WALKING DOWN THE HALL EXCEPT FOR SOME CONSENT CALENDAR IT ITEMS, OKAY.

I HATE TO SAY, UM, AC DC THE POINT OF IT IS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS FULLY, FULLY EXPOSE BEFORE THE PUBLIC.

BUT AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, HOW OFTEN WE WANNA BRING THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER AND ARGUE MERITS AND, OKAY.

AND, UH, I SEE YOU SAYING NO.

AND MY, MY FEELING IS NO, BECAUSE NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

THIS IS THIS EXACTLY THE SAME APPLICATION.

UM, IT'S NOT THE PUBLIC SPOKE WHEN THEY, THEY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

WE, THIS IS ACTUALLY SIMPLY A RECONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD.

NOTHING.

THERE IS NO NEW INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED.

UM, SO I'M GONNA CALL FOR A MOTION TO TABLE BECAUSE WHAT, BECAUSE THERE IS A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A POINT HERE THAT'S NEEDS TO BE MADE.

SO IT'S, UH, MADE, UH, EXCUSE ME, MR. RON.

STEVEN.

RON IS MADE A IS MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE, RIGHT? YOU WANNA DO THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

WELL, EITHER THAT OR WE CAN GET CONSENSUS.

THERE'S ONLY FIVE OF US HERE.

WE CAN EITHER GET CONSENSUS OR WE CAN DO A MOTION.

DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IF WE WANT CLARITY, OTHERWISE, YEAH.

I WANNA SAY DON'T VOTE.

SO WE MAKE A MOTION, THEN WE VOTE HERE WHETHER WE WANNA TABLE OR NOT.

IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.

SO, SO I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS.

THIS FOR, FOR A PUBLIC, A ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING SOMETIME IN, IN THE, THE NEAREST OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE.

HEATHER, CALL BY POINT OF ORDER.

I, I BELIEVE SUCH A MOTION SHOULD INDICATE PRECISELY TO WHEN YOU WISH TO, TO TABLE TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

ALREADY PASSED WITH FEBRUARY MEETING THE SECOND.

THERE'S TO BE A DATE.

THE NEXT MEETING.

I MEAN, WHICH THEN, OR WE TABLE IT.

MOTION TO TABLE.

WELL, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, A MOTION TO TABLE MEANS YOU JUST PUT IT OFF UNTIL LATER IN THE SAME MEETING.

IT'S A MOTION TO CONTINUE ACTUALLY, IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT, UH, WE'VE TYPICALLY, IT'S BEEN CONTINUED TO A PARTICULAR DATE IN TIME.

SO IN, YOU COULD CONTINUE IT AGAIN THEN IF YOU WISH.

WE NEED TO, WE NEED A MONTH'S TIME TO ADVERTISE.

CORRECT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE ADVERTISING DEADLINE FOR THE DAILY PRESS HAS

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YOU PUT IT IN THE MARCH MEETING IF WE GO.

SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TABLES UNTIL THE CONTINUE CONTINUE UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.

SO THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH, OR NOT TABLE, BUT YEAH, THIS IS MY MOTION.

SECOND MEETING IN MARCH.

CAUSE FIRST ONE'S A WORK SESSION.

YOU GOT THAT, HEATHER? I'VE GOTTA GET THE DATE.

I'M SORRY.

20.

AND WE ARE CONTINUING IT OR TABLING IT.

CONTINUE IT.

CONTINUING CONTINUE IT.

THIS TOPIC TILL THAT MEETING IS MY MOTION.

SEVEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IS YOUR CALL.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RON IS TO CONTINUE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 23 DASH FIVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 21ST, 2023.

SO NOW, WE'LL NOW CONTINUE WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, ON THE RESOLUTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION.

ANY, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL INPUTS? NO, I, OKAY, GO AHEAD.

PLEASE, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY A COUPLE MINUTES AGO.

OKAY? UH, WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE READ AHEAD, LIKE THREE TO TWO VOTE OCCURRED WITH NO ANY RESULTS.

OKAY? I SAID, THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND.

WE'VE DIDN'T VET THE, THE ARGUMENTS THAT NIGHT THE APPLICANT, IF YOU READ IT OKAY, AND MAYBE READ IT TWICE OR THREE TIMES, LAID OUT AN INCREDIBLE PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT AS TO WHY THE APPLICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THESE CASE BY CASE, BY CASE BY CASE THAT WE'VE BEEN SUFFERING THROUGH FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IF THERE WAS EVER AN ARGUMENT MADE BY THIS, BY ANY APPLICANT, IT WAS THIS APPLICANT AND I JUST AM SORRY THAT I WROTE IT THE WAY THAT, THAT NIGHT, BUT I DID NOT READ THAT.

READ HEAD THOROUGHLY.

OKAY? YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID BY ALL OF US.

WHEN YOU THROW ON THE, THE, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION, SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WHO HAVE, OF THE COUNTY WHO HAVE STOOD UP AND SAID, I LIKE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS, THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

AND THE NIGHT THEY TOOK THAT VOTE, THREE OF SEVEN WERE NOT EVEN THERE.

AND THAT BREAK VERDICT IS POINTED UP.

FOUR.

OKAY? WE'VE GOTTA HAVE COMMITTEES REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT PEOPLE DEDICATED TO ATTEND.

CAUSE HERE WE ARE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, ARGUING, DISCUSSING A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR AT LEAST ONE FAMILY, THE YOUNG LADY WHO INITIATED THE, UH, PETITION, UH, REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS.

EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE APPROVED, THEN IT GOES BEFORE THE STAFF, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THEY RING IT OUT TO THE NTH DEGREE AND THERE'S A STRONG RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

NOW, THAT APPLICATION, OF COURSE, HAS A WHOLE SERIES OF REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIAL USE CONVICT TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE YOUNG LADY WHO OWNS THE HOUSE HERE.

AND I JUST SAID, PLEASE, THE REASON I BROUGHT IT BEFORE US AGAIN IS LET'S RING IT OUT.

LET'S VETTED AND WHATEVER THE CH WHEREVER THE CHIPS ALIGN, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY? WHAT I'M TIRED OF BEING TOLD THAT, THAT THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING WHEN INDEED IT'S NOT PRECEDENT SETTING EVERY TIME WE HAVE A, A, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A, A, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS.

WE'RE ARM WRESTLING BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ARGUMENTS ARE THAT NIGHT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WINS OR IT LOSES.

UH, AND SO, AND SO I'M SIMPLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE FOR WHY WE ARE HERE CAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE.

UH, BUT IN POINT OF FACT, I DON'T CARE WHO SUBMITS THIS APPLICATION FOR NET FIRST, A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHOEVER IT IS, WHETHER IT'S A 27 YEAR OLD YOUNG LADY OR A 95 YEAR OLD GUY, UH, IN ORDER TO BE GIVEN THE RIGHT CONSIDERATION, GIVEN THE ARGUMENTS NEVER LAID OUT THAT NIGHT THAT I DON'T THINK WE VETTED IT THE WAY WE SHOULD HAVE.

AND OF COURSE, WE WOUND UP WITH A THREE TO TWO VOTES, UH, THREE NOS AND TWO YESES.

OKAY? AND I WAS ONE OF THOSE, NO.

MS. NO.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT QUITE WELL, WALTER.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HERE AND THAT YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO WRITE OR WRONG IF POSSIBLE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND CHAD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OH, STEVE, YOU, ANYTHING MORE? NO, I MEAN, I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING FROM THE LAST TIME I WILL SAY THIS.

SO I, I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST IF WE, WE AS A BOARD KIND OF GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF NAILED THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES DOWN BEFORE THE NEXT SHORT TERM RENTAL COMES UP, SO THAT WE HAVE A COMMON FOOTPRINT TO, TO WORK AGAINST GOOD FEELING.

WE, WE ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND BECAUSE THESE THINGS KEEP ROLLING IN

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A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME.

SWEET.

I THINK WE'RE ONLY UP TO ABOUT 14 OUT OF THE, ABOUT 20 SOME THOUSAND HOMES WE HAVE IN HERE.

SO IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN ITS INFANCY, BUT, UH, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS STRUGGLE.

AND I AGREE WITH YOU, WALTER.

UM, AND WE SET THIS THING DOWN, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, NEIL, IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID SUBMIT BACK, UM, SOMETHING, BUT THEY SAID PRETTY MUCH THAT IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD.

I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN THREE ROUNDS OF WORK SESSIONS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, INCLUDING SOME CHANGES TO THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THIS BOARD THAT THEY WERE APPROVED.

THERE'S BEEN ANOTHER SET THAT THEY'VE TAKEN ACTION ON THAT'S PENDING BEING BROUGHT TO THE BOARD.

UH, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS.

I KNOW THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE ADVOCATED, AND I THINK PRETTY MUCH ALL OF Y'ALL ALIKE, IS INSTITUTIONALIZING THE IDEA THAT IT DOES NOT RUN WITH PROPERTY.

UH, IT, IT, IT ENDS WITH A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP.

THAT HAS BEEN OUR PRACTICE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL CASES, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED INSTITUTIONALIZING THAT.

SO THAT'LL BE BEFORE YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS SOMETIME.

AS THEY, AS THEY SET THOSE STANDARDS, SOME MODIFICATIONS OF THE STANDARDS THAT CURRENTLY MM-HMM.

, WELL, I'VE KIND OF, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'VE KIND OF REACHED A, UH, KIND OF REACHED MY LIMIT ON TRYING TO ASK PEOPLE TO GIMME, GIMME THINGS THAT I CAN KIND OF WORK WITH HERE.

BECAUSE WHEN I GET 'EM, THEY'RE EITHER OP COUNTER, THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH OR, OR IT'S, EVERY SITUATION SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION.

UM, AND SO THE THING I, UH, I, WHEN I'M, I FIGURED US, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T RELY ON THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO IT, DO IT, THE STAFF'S KIND OF WORKING, TRYING TO WORK AND, AND LOOKING OUT DOING THE, IN, UH, DOING THE RESEARCH SO THEY CAN GIVE US INPUT ON IT.

BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT BOILS DOWN TO US.

WE MAKE THE S SO STEVE, I LIKE YOUR INPUTS.

UM, I WANT INPUTS, AND WE'LL DO AT LEAST THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE TRIP WIRES IN HERE, FOR ME, IT'S GONNA BE THE ISSUE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS LIKING IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, THEN, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

SO IF YOU GO TALK, I WANNA KNOW YOU TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, UH, I WANNA KNOW THAT.

AND THAT'S, I'M TALKING ABOUT IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE MILES AWAY, UH, AND, AND DON'T HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I'M, I WANT PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE, UH, THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE HAVING CONCERNS.

AND I REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST ONE, THE VERY FIRST ONE I THINK OF THESE THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH WAS UP IN YOUR AREA, QUEENS LAKE, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ONE AT QUEENS LAKE.

AND THEY JUST KIND OF WENT OFF ON THEIR OWN AND STARTED, HAD THIS, AND ENDED UP CREATING A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND THE ONLY WAY WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WAS VERY SIMPLE.

THE PEOPLE STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRASH, ABOUT HOW THEY WERE BEING TREATED.

THE NEIGHBORS WERE BEING TREATED, DISRESPECT.

THEY WERE PARKING ON THE LAWNS, THEY WERE DOING EVERYTHING.

AND WHEN WE GOT WORD OF IT, WE SHUT IT DOWN.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME PARAMETERS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, THAT WE, WE HAVE, WE JUST NEED TO SET 'EM OUT AND LET 'EM, LET 'EM, UH, LET 'EM BE KNOWN.

SO, UM, IF I MIGHT JUST GO AHEAD, AHEAD.

PUT NO COMMENT.

MY PARENTS FINALLY GOT TO A POINT IN THEIR LIFE WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO BUY A HOME.

UH, AND WE MOVED FROM THE POLIS OF HUDSON COUNTY TO THE SHORE.

THE ONLY THING WRONG IN, IN RETROSPECT WITH BUYING THAT HOME WAS IT WAS IN A H O A MM-HMM.

HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

AND THERE WERE RULES, A TO Z THAT YOU WONDER WHY YOU WERE ALLOWED TO BREATHE.

UH, LIVING IN THAT, IN THAT, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I, I, AND SO I VOWED NEVER, YOU KNOW, BY A HOME BUILDER, A HOME, UH, IN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAS AN HOA OR ANY KIND OF ASSOCIATION WHERE THERE'S RULES THAT GO WAY BEYOND WHY I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT LOOKING AT OUR JURISDICTION, OKAY, PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE IN VIRGINIA TO LIVE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR, OR OTHERWISE ASSOCIATIONS WITH A SET OF RULES THAT THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THOSE HOMES IN THOSE, IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS OR BUILD HOMES IN THOSE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO PLYWOOD.

AND I JUST WONDER, FOR EXAMPLE, NOW I LIVE AT RURAL GRANT RIGHT NEXT TO QUEENS LAKE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

WE DON'T HAVE AN HOI I WONDER WHY, BECAUSE OF MY HISTORY WITH MY PARENTS.

OKAY? BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VERY LARGE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU LIVE, UH, WHERE IT'S EITHER A SO-CALLED HOA OR A NOT SO FORMAL ASSOCIATION.

THAT RIGHT THERE AT THE GROUND WHERE THE, THE 300 OR THE 50 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES CAN PUT TOGETHER THEIR RULES.

AND YOU EITHER SUBSCRIBE OR YOU DON'T, AND YOU DON'T MOVE INTO THESE HOUSES KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS, THIS CRITERIA.

FOOT JUST A FOOTNOTE.

I THROW IT OUT THERE FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES ASSOCIATIONS WHEN THEY CREATE THE RULES ARE BASICALLY CREATED BY THE DEVELOPER.

UH, OKAY.

OTHERWISE, IT WAS GREAT TO GROW IN NEW JERSEY.

WELL, I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES, LET'S SAY, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF THE OVERALL PERCOLATION OF THE, OF THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS.

BUT,

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UH, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO SELL HOMES.

UH, BUT THE RULES ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE OF THE VIOLATIONS THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES PUTS IT IN.

UH, THEY, THEY TURN TO THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT, TO, TO, TO ENFORCE THE RULES.

AND THAT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

OKAY? WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE YOU GOTTA, YOU CAN'T LET YOUR Y LAWN GET A FOOT HIGH.

UH, CUZ THAT CAUSES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR HOUSING THAT PEOPLE WILL VIOLATE AND NOW, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND IT BECAUSE NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SQUIRRELS AND RACCOONS AND POSSUMS AND FOX AND THE, AND THE, AND LIVING IN THE HOUSE.

AND, UH, WE, YEAH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE'LL DO, BUT WE'RE STILL VERY INTERESTED IN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

VERY INTERESTED IN THE, THE RIGHT OF A PERSON OWN THEIR HOME AND ENJOY TO THE BEST OF THEIR WHAT WE CAN.

SO I'M JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERS, RESTRICTING A LOT OF THE STUFF.

SO ANYWAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

THEN THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION.

R 23 5, RIGHT DASH FIVE FIVE, NO, FIVE.

AND HEATHER, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? YES, SIR.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSE RESOLUTION R 23 DASH FIVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

WE'VE ALREADY VOTED, BUT I'LL VOTE ONE MORE TIME.

NO, MR. CHAP? YES.

MOTION CARRIED.

OKAY, SO THE RESOLUTION'S APPROVED.

AND, UH, UH, ONE LAST FINAL COMMENT ABOUT THIS.

UH, THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A ROUTINE THING.

IT'S NOT A ROUTINE THING CUZ THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS HERE THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.

UM, FACT, UH, THE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BROUGHT UP ANOTHER LIKE RESTRICTION AND THAT IF WE HAD TURNED, UH, TO SEE WHAT, IF WE HAD APPROVED IT BEFORE THEN WE COULD NOT HAVE GONE IN AND CHANGED THAT ONE BECAUSE IT WAS, IT DIDN'T FALL UNDER WHAT I GUESS THE STATE CALLED THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OTHERWISE INTERESTED IN TRANSPORTATION.

SO THERE'S RESTRICTIONS, ALL KIND OF RESTRICTIONS IN HERE.

UH, LIKE YOU SAID, THE, THE SIMPLE, UH, DENYING OF, UH, OF, OF A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES THAT HAVE TERMINATED THE WHOLE THING.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO, UH, THE REST OF THE MEETING.

I'LL GIVE, IF ANYBODY WANTS US TO LEAVE RIGHT NOW, I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO LEAVE BEFORE WE START.

SO WE'RE GONNA DISRUPT THE REST OF THE MEETING.

YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT GONNA STATE THAT THE REST OF OUR MEETING? NOPE.

THANK SO MUCH TO SAY SO.

LITTLE TIME AM SOON.

SWEAR YOU CASE BY TAPE.

CAN'T.

LET'S, UH, WHERE IS, UH, MR. ROSSI CARROLL FROM THE VDOT PORTAL WHO WILL GIVE US A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON TRANSPORTATION? WHAT? ROSSI? WELCOME TO THE GOOD EVENING.

[1* VDOT Quarterly Update. Receive update from Rossie Carroll, Residency Administrator.]

I ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE ME, YOU CAN PROCEED WHEN YOU'RE READY.

UH, NO.

ISN'T IT ? I NEED, I NEED ALL THE OLD USED TO BE 98.

USED TO BE 98.

ABOUT 80, RIGHT? YOU'RE WORKING, YOU GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? YEAH.

OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD.

UH, BLACKBERRY BEND, SHARON DRIVE, AND DANNY LOOP.

SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE, UH, BDOT QUARTERLY TRANSPORTATION UPDATE.

YORK COUNTY.

UM, SO I PUSHED IT BACK.

WE, UH, THIS QUARTER IS ACTUALLY NOVEMBER 1ST TO JANUARY 31ST.

UM, IN THAT TIMEFRAME, WE HAVE COMPLETED 258 OF 298, UH, MAINTENANCE WORK ORDERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

UH, THERE ARE 40 OUTSTANDING.

UM, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE IN JANUARY.

AND WE HAD AN 88% COMPLETION RATE FOR WORK ORDERS, WHICH IS FAIRLY GOOD.

UH, COMPLETION RATE FOR US.

DIDN'T HAVE TO CLOUD, DID NOT.

AND, UH, AND DOING A LOT OF DRAINAGE WORK.

SO, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS, UM, A PLUS FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MAINTENANCE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, DITCHING, UH, TAB LAKES, WOODLAKE CROSS SCENE, KNOWING DAVIS BOULEVARD.

A FEW OTHER SPOTS BACK TO WORK OVER MEADOWVIEW DRIVE.

TIGER PAW PATH.

UH, ELISE BLA ARE YOU DOING THERE? I'M SORRY, I MISSED WHAT YOU STARTED.

, , UH, UNDERGROUND STORM SOURCE DROP INLANDS.

THOSE TANK.

UH, SO ELISE BLA, PINEY POINT, GOOSE CREEK, UH, OLIVE SHIRLEY DRIVE, SHEFFIELD LANE ROAD RETREAT, TAB LAKES AND EDGEHILL, UH, MACHINE PATCHING WITH ASPHALT.

IN THIS QUARTER WE DID SOME PATCHING NO ROW NORTH OF JOSHUA WAY.

UH, RAIL WOOD, UH, RAILWAY ROAD,

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UH, WE PERFORMED CONCRETE WORK, UM, UH, OVER ON ROBIN HOOD DRIVE, HOUNDS CHASE RANDOM WAY, AND FIELDING LEWIS REPAIRING, BROKEN AND CRACKED UP CURB AND GUTTER, UH, WITH A FEW SEPARATED CULVERT, UH, REPAIRS AS WELL.

UH, TREE TRIMMING WE DID OVER ON GOOLEY ROAD AND SCHOOL LANE.

UH, WE DID SOME BRUSH, UH, CUT BACK WITH MOWING, UH, ON ROUTE 1 34 SHOW WALTER ROAD AND NORTH CONS DRIVE.

AND THEN WE, UH, ALSO DID SINKHOLE REPAIRS, UH, REPAIRING SEPARATE SEPARATED CULVERTS BACK HILL, BACK HILL SEA COALS AND SEATING AT 1 0 7 LANDON LANE.

UH, ALSO AT 2 0 2 SIMMONS DRIVE.

AND, UM, TWO 20 TERREBONNE ROAD, UH, WHERE WE HAD A DI UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, DITCH LINE.

AND WE ALSO REPAIRED SEPARATIONS ON 1 26 KITTY DRIVE AND 2 8 2 0 8 FOR GAUGE DRIVE.

UH, SO MAINTENANCE PROJECTS COMING UP, UH, WE HAVE THE LINK ROAD, UH, DITCH AND SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT.

UH, WE'LL BE PLACING SOME PRODUCT CALLED GEO CELL TO TRY TO STABILIZE THE SHOULDER ISSUE.

WHAT'S GEO CELL? GEO CELL IS SORT OF A, UH, A ROLLOUT SYNTHETIC THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY, THAT DRAINS, BUT YOU PUT, UH, AGGREGATE IN THAT HOLDS IT IN PLACE SO YOU CAN, EVEN IF THE UNDER, IF THE SUBBASE IS WET, IT ACTUALLY HOLDS THE INTEGRITY AND SO YOU'RE ABLE TO DRIVE ON THE SHOULDER.

UM, THE ISSUE THERE IS THERE'S A DROP OFF AT THE EDGE OF PAVEMENT, UH, WHERE, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY WORSE IN THE SUMMERTIME CUZ YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE VEGETATION GROWS UP AND THE GRASS MOWERS, YOU KNOW, DO IT EVEN WITH THE ROADWAY.

BUT THIS WAY YOU'LL HAVE SOME, UH, RECOVERY, UH, BEFORE, ONCE YOU DROPPED OFF THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, YOU HAD NO RECOVERY.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

UM, WE'RE GONNA DO START THAT WORK, UH, THIS THURSDAY.

HOW LONG HAVE BEEN USING THAT PRIVATE? UH, IT'S NEW TO US.

SO WE'RE GONNA DO A PROOF OF CONCEPT, UM, FOR APPROXIMATELY LIKE A TWO FOOT WIDE SHOULDER FOR ABOUT 150 FOOT FIRST, MAKE SURE IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE DO IT.

AND THEN WE'LL DO A, UH, INTERIM TARGET OF ABOUT 700 FOOT AND THE TOTAL PROJECT'S 1400 LINEAR FEET, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO WITH THIS PRODUCT.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE ROUTE 1 34 ROUTE 17 SOUTHBOUND SHOULDER AND SLOPE REPAIR.

UH, THAT'S PLANNED FOR MARCH APRIL TIMEFRAME.

UH, IT WILL, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED THE DETOUR, UM, FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND WE'RE CURRENTLY, UH, SUBMITTING A SUE FOR UTILITY VERIFICATIONS IN THE AREA NOW.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, LAKELAND OVERFLOW PIPES, UH, LOOKING AT LINING THE EXISTING PIPES THERE.

UM, I THINK IT'S LAKELAND CRESCENT.

UH, QUICK QUOTE FOR SPRAY LINER.

UM, WE'RE DEVELOPING THAT QUICK QUOTE IN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UM, TRYING TO GET IT OUT TO, UH, OUT TO BED.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE CENTER CENTER RUMBLE STRIP RETROFIT ON GOOGLE NECK ROAD, UM, THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO TRY TO GET OUT THIS SUMMER WITH A ON-CALL CONTRACTOR, UH, THROUGH OUR MEET STRIP, UH, SOME COMPLETED PROJECTS.

WE DID THE H SIP, UM, PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS OVER ON, UH, HAMPTON HIGHWAY.

UM, IT IS COMPLETED PROJECTS, BUT I WILL ADD THAT YOU'LL SEE A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE.

WE DID SOME REDESIGN FOR SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES OUT THERE.

SO WE'RE DOING SOME WORK TO IMPROVE WHERE WE HAVE AREAS THAT THE DRAINAGE ISN'T ABLE TO RELEASE FROM THE ROADWAY.

UM, SO LITTLE BIT OF WORK PUNCHLESS ITEMS TO DO MM-HMM.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT'S UH, IT'S COMPLETE.

UM, SOME ADMINISTRATIVE PROJECTS.

WE HAVE THE PILOT MID ROCK PEDESTRIAN, MID BLOCK PEDESTRIAN, UH, CROSSING ON 60 BYPASS COMING UP.

UM, THAT, UH, IS RIGHT THERE, UH, RIGHT CLOSE TO THE COUNTRY END, UM, BETWEEN THE COUNTRY END AND 7-ELEVEN, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, HOTELS.

SO THAT WILL BE A SECOND CROSSWALK THEN THAT WILL BE THIRD CROSS, THE SECOND LIGHTED ONE.

UH, IT IS AND IT IS A, IT'S GONNA HAVE A REFUSE IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GONNA HAVE THE FLA FLASHING WRAP IN BEACONS.

UM, SO THAT, AND THIS IS MID-BLOCK SO IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT PROGRAMMED THROUGH THE SIGNAL PROCESS.

THIS IS, UM, CUZ THERE'S A LONG STRETCH THERE BETWEEN THE SIGNAL AND 1 32.

UH, THIS WILL BE WHERE YOU CAN HIT A PUSH PAD, IT'LL SIGNAL, YOU KNOW, START THAT PROCESS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE VEHICLES LEFT TO STOP FOR THEM TO GET ACROSS.

THERE'S ALSO A PUSH PAD IN THE CENTER OF REFUGE AS WELL.

HAVE WE HAD PEDESTRIANS, UH, STRUCK UP THERE? WE HAVE, THAT'S BY ROCCO'S RESTAURANT THERE WE PUT A CROSSWALK IN, BUT THIS IS DOWN.

THAT WAS NOT THE LAST ONE, BUT YES.

NEED MORE LIGHTING UP THERE.

WE, WE, WE, WE DID THAT.

THAT'S WHAT KIND OF TRIGGERED THAT.

THAT WAS, THAT IS COMPLETE.

UH, THAT WAS COMPLETED LAST SUMMER.

ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I GOT FROM SOME FOLKS UP THERE WAS, IT WAS THE REALLY DARK

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SO, SO, SO THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH DOMINION TO INSTALL SOME OVERHEAD LIGHTS.

AND I WILL ADD THAT THIS PROJECT FOR THE MID-BLOCK DOES INCLUDE LIGHTS AS WELL.

UM, SO THEN OUR ASPHALT PAVING PROJECT FOR THIS SUMMER, UM, IT WAS ADVERTISED IN DECEMBER.

COMPLETION WILL BE NOVEMBER, 2023.

UH, WE WILL BE PAVING, UH, FORT USES BOULEVARD, UH, EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND FROM NEWPORT NEW CITY LINE TO, UH, OVER YORK HAMPTON HIGHWAY.

SO THAT'S BOTH SIDES OF ROUTE 17 THERE.

SHORT SECTION ON ONE SIDE, BUT, BUT ALL OF THAT, UH, KILN CREEK BOULEVARD, UH, EAST, UH, AND WESTBOUND FROM NEWPORT NEWS CITY LIMITS TO VICTORY BOULEVARD.

THAT IS, IT'S ONLY ONE YEAR AFTER THEY DID THEIRS.

AND THAT IS TWO SECTIONS? YES.

SO CUZ YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO SECTIONS OF THAT IN YORK COUNTY.

SO YES, BOTH, BOTH OF THE ENTRANCES ARE ACTUALLY IN BOTH ENTRANCES ARE, YOU'RE DOING BOTH OF THEM? CORRECT.

UH, VILLAGE AVENUE, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, UH, FROM VICTORY BOULEVARD TO COMMONWEALTH DRIVE, WHICH IS SORT OF ONE OF THE ENTRANCES COMES ALL THE WAY AROUND BACK TO COMMONWEALTH DRIVE.

UH, WE WILL BE DOING COMMONWEALTH DRIVE, UM, FROM VICTORY BOULEVARD TO UH, MILL.

AND THEN WE ARE DOING WOLF TRAP ROAD FROM ROUTE 17 TO HUNTSVILLE ROAD.

UH, WE WILL BE DOING AIRPORT ROAD OF INURE AREA FROM MOTOWN TO RO SHAMBO.

AND UH, WE'RE ALSO DOING YORKTOWN ROAD, UH, ROUTE 7 0 6 BETWEEN BIG BETHEL ROAD AND HAMPTON HIGHWAY.

BETHEL ROAD, BIG BETHEL ROAD.

SO IT'S RIGHT THERE AROUND TAB.

SO, SO IT TURNS FROM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT PIECE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WELL, IT'S, IF, IF YOU CROSS BIG BETHEL AND GET IN FRONT OF TAB RIGHT.

YORK TURNS TO THE RIGHT AND THEN CONTINUES STRAIGHT.

SO IT'S, THE SECTION CONTINUES STRAIGHT BACK TO, UM, HOW FAR ARE YOU GONNA DO THIS? ALL THE WAY UP TO HAMPTON AVENUE.

LIKE ONE 30.

REALLY? YOU'RE GONNA REPAY THAT? YES, ABOUT 1.5 MILES.

SO IT'S THE SECTION IN FRONT OF TAB ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GOING DOWN BY SMITH FARMS AND VICTORY STATES.

WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK? IS THAT GOING BE TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? IS THAT ALL PART OF THIS? NO, IT'S SEPARATE.

WE ALSO HAVE SEPARATE, SORRY.

WE ALSO HAVE TWO, UH, SECTIONS THAT ARE IN OUR LATEX, UM, SCHEDULE FOR THE SUMMER.

UH, THAT IS CAPITAL LANDING ROAD, UM, FROM THE, I'LL SAY THE, UH, EAST QUEENS BRIDGE, THE, THE CITY LIMITS ALL THE WAY TO THE, UH, END OF STATE MAN MAINTENANCE THERE AT CAMP PERRY.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE LAKESIDE DRIVE, UM, FROM 17 TO ABOUT 420 FEET EAST OF OLD LAKESIDE DRIVE, WHICH IS ABOUT 1.3 MILES.

PUTTING LAKE TEXAS ON THAT AS WELL.

WHAT YOU SAY PUTTING LAKE TEXAS? MM-HMM.

SO LIKE A, IT'S A PREVENTATIVE OVERLAY.

UH, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MILLING IT UP AND REPAVING IT, BUT IT SEALS IT, IT KEEPS THE WATER FROM PENETRATING, IT MAKES THE PAVEMENT ITSELF.

YOU KNOW, THE PAVEMENT'S STILL GOOD SHAPE.

BUT IT, BUT IT'S TIME FOR IT TO SEAL, TO TRY TO KEEP WATER FROM PENETRATING TO CREEP POTHOLES EXTENDS THE, OKAY.

UM, THE TIMELINE, UH, FROM, UH, AIRPORT BOULEVARD.

FROM WAR TOWN TO, UH, RO BOAT.

ABOUT WHEN DO WE SEE THAT? UH, I REALLY CAN'T SAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CONTRACTOR.

I CAN TELL YOU IT'S BEFORE NOVEMBER THE 15TH.

UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL, THEY'LL KIND OF WORK OUT THEIR PLAN AS SOON AS I KNOW IT.

I'LL SHARE IT WITH, UH, WITH YOU AS YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, THEIR PLAN IS STILL TRU LANE ONE.

ONE.

IT'S, NO, IT'S NO ADDED CAPACITY OR ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST ACTUALLY REPLACING THE PAVEMENT THAT'S THERE.

GOMAN ROAD, UH, RAIL IMPROVEMENTS.

ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, SO Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW ALL THAT, BUT IT WAS AV AVER.

UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO ADVERTISE OCTOBER OF 2023, SCHEDULED TO START CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2024.

WE'RE STILL IN UTILITY RELOCATIONS.

UH, THAT WAS DELAYED DUE TO SOME EASEMENT NEEDED THROUGH RAILROAD PROPERTY THAT HAS SOME POSITIVE MOVEMENT.

UM, BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED FIGURED THAT ALL OUT.

UM, BUT, UH, PROJECT'S MOVING ALONG, UH, WITH CREEK ROAD PROJECT.

UH, JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT WENT OUT TO BED.

UM, IT WAS WELL ABOVE THE, UH, THE ESTIMATE.

UM, OR, OR DUE TO THE, IT WAS REJECTED DUE TO EXCEEDING THE ESTIMATE.

UM, THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND THERE'S BEEN MINOR SMOKE, UH, SCOPE, UM, CHANGES AND THEY ARE TARGETED TO RE ADVERTISE THAT TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DID GET THE, THE ADD THEY GOT ADDITIONAL 24 MILLION FROM THE, FROM THE STATE, STATE SUBJECT TO CTB APPROVALS.

IT'S NOT OKAY.

IT'S MOVING FORWARD BUT IT'S NOT, NOT ENHANCED.

IT'S

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NOT ENHANCED.

UH, WE HAVE THE SMART SCALE PROJECTS HERE IN THE COUNTY.

, WE HAVE THREE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON.

IT'S THE ROUTE 17 WIDENING BETWEEN SIX 30 AND 1 73.

UM, SCOP AND PHASE CLOSEST PROJECT DESIGN APPROVALS.

UH, SUMMER OF 2022 PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD.

APRIL 28TH, 2022.

UH, NEPA DOCUMENT, IT'S CLEARED.

UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS, UM, ON SHARED BMP FOR THAT PROJECT, WHICH WILL SAVE US SOME MONEY.

UM, AND UM, STILL TARGET ADVERTISEMENT DECEMBER OF 2026 WITH CONSTRUCTION STARTING SUMMER OF 2027, COMPLETION DECEMBER OF 2029.

UH, THE OTHER SMART 18.

SO THESE TWO APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED IN THE SAME YEAR AND APPROVED WAS THE ROUTE 1 71 WIDENING BETWEEN 17 AND 1 34.

, UM, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING IS UNDERWAY.

UH, ADVERTISEMENT, UH, IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL OF 2024.

UH, WITH COMPLETION OF JULY OF 2025.

UH, THE WILLINGNESS PERIOD OF CLOSED DESIGN APPROVAL PACKAGE IS COMPLETE AND WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY UTILITY RELOCATION PHASE FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN THE THIRD SMART SCALE PROJECT IS THE, UH, VICTORY BOULEVARD CAPACITY ENHANCEMENTS BETWEEN 1 34 AND, UM, 1740.

, UH, I THINK THAT IS HEAVEN'S WAY.

UM, SO WE ARE JUST STARTED REALLY GETTING INTO PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND SCOPING THAT PROJECT.

UM, THAT HAS A, UH, A COMPLETION DATE OF 2028.

UM, IT'S WAY OUT THERE.

IT IS.

IT'S MON THE MONEY'S OUT THERE TOO.

SO IS IT OUT THERE? OKAY.

2028.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDIES THROUGH THIS, THIS, UH, THIS QUARTER.

UM, WE DID A QUEENS LAKE BRIDGE SIGNING REVIEW.

UM, SO, AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO INSTALL A BRIDGE WEIGHT LIMIT, UM, WITH ARROW SIGNAGE.

UH, REPLACE THE TWO MILE PLAQUE THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE WITH A 1.5 MILE PLAQUE.

CUZ IT WAS SORT OF, UM, NOT, NOT QUITE AS FAR AS IT SAID.

UM, BUT THE ISSUE WAS PEOPLE WERE GETTING IN THERE NOT BEING ABLE TO TURN AROUND TRUCKS REALLY IS THE BIGGEST THING.

UM, SO IN, UM, WE DID A SPEED STUDY FOR COMMONWEALTH DRIVE.

UH, NO CHANGE TO THE SPEED LIMIT WAS RECOMMENDED, UH, BASED ON THAT 85TH PERCENTILE OF 40 AND 31.

UH, AND THE SPA PAY SPEEDS AT 32 TO 42 AND 22 TO 32, THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE THE SPEED LIMIT TO BE LOWERED ON.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT, UM, AND THE COLLECTED CRASH DATA WAS CERTAIN, WASN'T ANY, UM, IT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE DO OUR SPEED STUDY, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WERE SOME OUTLIERS SOUTHBOUND MM-HMM.

, UM, THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE, UH, UM, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS QUITE A FEW THAT ARE RUNNING, UH, DOUBLE WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE, THOSE, THOSE SOUTHBOUND, THE REST OF 'EM ARE COMPILING WITH THE UM, UM, CURRENT 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT MM-HMM.

AND THAT'S WHY YOUR 85TH IS STILL ONE, ONE DIRECTION IS LESS THAN 35 AND THE OTHER DIRECTION JUST OVER 35.

UM, SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE, MOST EVERYONE IS, IS RUNNING THE SPEED LIMIT OUT THERE.

JUST THE TWO EYEBALLS.

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT SEEM TO WANT TO PUSH IT.

I MEAN, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT SPEED STUDIES.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE OF SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STUFF YOU COME UP WITH.

I MEAN, YOU GO DOWN, YOU GO DOWN CALTROP NECK ROAD 30, YOU HAVE, IT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR.

IT'S GOT FARMS, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES ARE WAY OFF THE ROAD.

YOU GO DOWN YORKTOWN ROAD AND IT'S 40 MILES AN HOUR.

THERE IS NO DITCH.

I MEAN WELL THERE'S, THERE'S THING THEY CALLED A DITCH, BUT THERE'S NO, IT'S IT'S ROAD AND DITCH.

THERE'S NO LIKE, NO PLACE TO I GUESS USE SHOULDER AND IT'S AN OLD, YOU KNOW, PRE-CIVIL WAR ROAD I THINK MM-HMM.

BUT HOW DID, I MEAN THE PEOPLE ON AT TAP HIGH SCHOOL, THE, THE PARENTS, THE KIDS WILL RUN DOWN THAT ROAD.

I HAVE TO LITERALLY STOP MY CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, OR NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, BUT IN MY, MY, MY TRAVEL LANE.

SO I'M, I'M SCARED OF HITTING THE KIDS BECAUSE THEY'LL COME AND THEN THEY RUN ON BOTH SIDES OF YOUR CAR TO GET AROUND CUZ THEY'RE NOT GETTING OUT OF THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO.

THEY, THEY EITHER HAVE TO JUMP INTO THE DITCH OR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST NOT GONNA TAKE A CHANCE NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YORKTOWN ROAD, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS ROAD TO BEGIN WITH.

IT'S AN OLD COUNTRY ROAD.

THAT'S WHERE THE THREE KIDS GOT KILLED.

THREE 16 YEAR OLDS GOT KILLED MM-HMM.

UM, AND I'M JUST SCARED TO DEATH THESE, THE CHILDREN ARE GONNA BE RUNNING DOWN THIS ROAD.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YORKTOWN ROAD SPEED LIMIT AS HIGH AS IT IS, THIS SHOULD BE DOWN TO I

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WOULD SAY 35.

BUT MAN, WELL I CAN, I CAN SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL IF THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS STATUTORY, THEY'RE 25.

UM, ALL OTHER ROADS ARE STATUTORY 55 UNLESS THE SPEED STUDY IS DONE.

THOSE SPEED STUDIES LOOK AT PEDESTRIAN USE, THE GEOMETRICS, THE, THE CURRENT SPEEDS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF TO KIND OF COME UP WITH AN ENGINEERING BEST GUEST OF A ROAD OR A SPEED LIMIT THAT'S SET IF PEOPLE, MOST PEOPLE DRIVING FEEL SAFE TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, IN THAT DIRECTION ON THE ROADWAY THAT APPLIES SEGMENTS.

NOT JUST, IN OTHER WORDS, MORE TOWN ROAD RUNS FOR MILES AND MILES AND MILES.

SOMETIMES, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE WHOLE SEGMENT OR YOU CAN LOOK AT SEGMENTS MAY BE MORE RESIDENTIAL THAN OTHER YOU CAN, BUT TO CHANGE A SPEED LIMIT, THERE HAS TO BE I CODE A STUDY BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO DOES THE STUDY VI HAS A STUDY.

SO HOW DO I GET A STUDY ON YORKTOWN ROAD? UM, I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE'RE PUTTING IN, PUTTING IN ANOTHER BIG SUBDIVISION DOWN HERE.

THERE HASN'T BEEN A STUDY THERE IN FIVE YEARS.

GIVE ME A, GIVE A, A CALCIUM X BECAUSE IT'S, AND I WILL SEND ME A EMAIL AND I WILL, UH, I WILL HAVE OUR STAFF DO A STUDY OKAY.

ON THERE.

UM, LOOKING AT, AT THOSE THINGS CALLS, I THINK WE DID A STUDY YEAH.

UH, RIGHT AFTER THE ACCIDENT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT I'LL LOOK AT IT.

WELL, THAT'S JUST A DANGEROUS KIND OF S TURF.

I MEAN, THERE WAS NO, THAT ACCIDENT CAUGHT WAS CAUSED BY BY RECKLESS DRIVING.

SURE, SURE.

BUT STILL IT'S THERE.

IT'S DANGEROUS.

AND I, I MEAN THAT'S JUST ANOTHER PART, BUT I'M JUST INTERESTED BETWEEN TAB HIGH SCHOOL AND CALOR NECK.

AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT'S SORT OF JUST A HISTORY ON HOW SPEED LIMITS ARE SET.

UM, AND TO, TO GET ANYTHING CHANGED.

NOW TO GO BACK TO COMMONWEALTH DRIVE, YOU LOOK AT THAT 35 MILES AN HOUR, MOST PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE DRIVING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING THAT SPEED UP THERE.

YEP.

UH, IT'S A SAFE SPEED.

IT'S NOT A LOT OF ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA, BUT THERE ARE ONE OR TWO, UM, THAT ARE IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION, UM, THAT ARE SHOWING UP THAT ARE SPEEDING, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

NO, I MEAN, I, I TELL PEOPLE THAT JUST CASE YOU PUT A SLOWER SPEED LIMIT, IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP YOU FROM GETTING RUN OVER.

YEP.

SO, UM, WE HAD ROUTE 17 AT, UH, BIRD LANE, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

UH, WE HAD A SPEED STUDY ON WOLF TRAP ROAD.

UH, THE STUDY DID NOT, UM, SUPPORT CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT WE DID, UH, RECOMMEND SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.

UM, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE INSTALLED BIKE SYMBOL, UH, WITH SHARE THE ROAD PLAQUES.

UM, WE ALSO AT THE PARK, UH, WE ALSO INSTALLED WATCH OF ATTORNEY VEHICLES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS APPROACHING THE PARK.

UH, AND WE ALSO INSTALLED ADVANCED WARNING SCHOOL BUS STOP AHEAD, UM, MEETING THE CURRENT STANDARDS.

SO THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL WARNING SIGNS THAT WERE PLACED OUT OF THAT STUDY, BUT THE, THE SPEED LIMIT ITSELF WAS NOT REFUSED.

UH, ROUTE, UH, FOSTER ROAD BETWEEN MAPLE ROAD, UH, INTERSECTION SAFETY REVIEW, UM, LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME CRASHED, DATA COLLECTED, NO CHANGE IN INTERSECTION RIGHT AWAY.

AND THIS IS, UH, REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE REQUEST FOR MULTI-STOP THERE, UH, WHICH WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.

UM, NO, NO, NO CHANGES, UH, AT THIS TIME.

AND THEN WE HAD THE, UH, TAB LAKES DRIVE SPEED LIMIT SIGNAGE.

UH, WE DID RECOMMEND INSTALLING, NOT CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT INSTALLING AN ADDITIONAL 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON TAB LAKES DRIVE AND THE VICINITY OF, UH, MONTE MANOR.

UH, WE ALSO ADDED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAQUES, UM, ON THE EXISTING FIVE NINE HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.

AND WE ALSO, UH, SEE WHAT ELSE, UM, THE SPEED PENALTY ADDED, THE SPEED PENALTY PLAQUES AS WELL.

UM, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUT THE LATEST VERSION UP THERE.

AND THEN, UM, THE LOCATIONS THAT, UH, THESE SIGNS ARE IN COVENTRY BOULEVARD, UH, OWEN DAVIS BOULEVARD, LONG GREEN BOULEVARD, TAB LAKES DRIVE, AND MID-ATLANTIC PLACE.

AND WE DID REPLACE THE EXISTING THROUGH TROUGH PROHIBIT, UH, UH, PROHIBITED THERE, UH, WITH NO THROUGH TRUCKS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT VDOT SIGN.

SO WE JUST UPDATED THERE.

SO YOU UPDATED ALL THE SIGNAGE.

YEP.

SURE DID.

UM, AND THEN, UH, LAKE'S HEAD DRIVE, UM, AT THE I 64 O OVERPASS DID A, UH, STUDY THERE AND RECOMMENDED INSTALLING, UH, OBJECT MARKERS AT THE I 64 OVERPASS ON 1314.

AND THAT HAS BEEN DONE NOW.

HAVE YOU REPLACED THOSE SIGNS? YEAH, WELL THEY ACTUALLY ADDED OBJECT MARKERS THERE.

NO, THEY, THEY, THEY ADDED OBJECT MARKERS THERE.

AFTER THE, UH, THE I 64 WIDENING MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP

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UM, SO THAT WAS PART OF THAT, UH, PART OF THAT REVIEW.

AND THEN, UH, LAND USE, WE'VE, UH, SO THIS IS SORT OF THIS, I DO THIS BY FISCAL YEAR, SO JULY 1ST, 2022 TO, UH, JANUARY 24TH IS WHEN I CUT IT OFF.

WE'VE DONE 55 PLAN REVIEWS, UM, IN THE COUNTY.

UH, WE'VE ISSUED 140 LAND USE PERMITS IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

WE'VE COMPLETED OR CLOSED OUT 27 AND, UH, WE HAVE ADDED 0.1 MILES, WHICH WAS PART OF ASHBY PARK DRIVE TO THE SECONDARY MAINTENANCE SYSTEM IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

UM, COUPLE OF ITEMS, WE HAD YOUR POINT DRAINAGE, UM, LOOKING AT THAT FOR YOU.

AND, UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO THE, UH, WE CONTINUE TO DO THE HORNSBY VILLE REVIEW AND TRY TO GET FORCES OUT THERE FOR SHOULDER RESTORATION AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT SAFER.

GREAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UM, A COUPLE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANNA MENTION IS THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD, BEAR WITH ME.

I TALKED ABOUT LINK ROAD, UM, BUT WE ALSO, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REVIEW THE, UH, THE SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, I'M SORRY, THE, UH, THE ROUTE 17 TRANSITION APPROACHES, SO THE BRIDGE DOWN AT HARDWOOD MILLS.

UM, OH.

SO THIS, I WENT AND LOOKED AT THIS.

UM, THIS HAS BEEN THERE SINCE, UM, THIS PROJECT WAS ACCEPTED OR COMPLETED AND ACCEPTED.

UM, THERE WAS, IT WAS INTOLERANCE AT THE TIME.

IT'S STILL WITHIN TOLERANCE.

UH, THERE HAS BEEN NO, UH, CRASHES OR ACCIDENTS IN THAT AREA IN THE PAST NINE YEARS SINCE THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETE.

THERE WAS CONCERNS AS THE, BEFORE THE PROJECT WAS BROUGHT IN, UM, THERE IS A DIP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BRIDGE.

SO THE BRIDGE IS AT ONE ELEVATION AND THE APPROACHES KIND OF COME IN LOWER THAN THE BRIDGE.

SO YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT UP TO THE BRIDGE FOR THE APPROACHES, UH, AT THE TIME LOOKING AT THE, UH, DESIGN AND WHAT WOULD IT COST TO FIX THAT? UM, IT WAS DECIDED THAT IT BEING, THAT IT WAS WITHIN TOLERANCE, THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ACCEPT IT THE WAY IT WAS.

SO TO IMPROVE THAT IT NOT ONLY IMPROVED, INCLUDES THE PAVEMENT ITSELF, BUT IT INCLUDES ALL THE CURB AND GUTTER AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE DROP INLETS THAT ARE EXISTING IN THAT, THOSE SECTIONS AS YOU APPROACH THE BRIDGE PIECE.

UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH IT, UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, OUR SAFETY, UM, AT THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE BEGINNING.

I I, I AGREE.

IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

HAS IT, HAS IT GOTTEN WORSE? IT HAS NOT GOTTEN WORSE.

IT HAS NOT GOTTEN WORSE, AND IT'S STILL WITHIN TOLERANCE.

BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.

IT'S NOT DETERIORATING.

THAT'S GOOD.

BUT EVERYBODY DRIVES OVER.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

I MEAN, YOU GET A THREE QUARTER TIME TRUCK WITH NOTHING YOU'RE GONNA, OR A DUMP TRUCK.

WE DRIVE OVER THERE EVERY DAY WITH EMPTY DUMP TRUCKS.

OR HIT IT WITH MY, HIT IT WITH MY MOTORCYCLE.

I'M, I'M, I'M FEELING IT.

SO, YES.

AND, BUT I WILL SAY I DID, ONE OF THE THINGS IS LOOKING AT THE CRASH HISTORY, UM, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CRASHES FROM THAT.

UM, NOT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT A NEWSOME SORT OR TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE WHILE OUT THERE ON 17, CUZ YOU GOTTA SLOW DOWN FOR IT.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLEAR THAT.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKED AT IT AND, AND DID THE ENGINEERING STUDY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY DETERIORATION.

SO WE WE'RE NOWHERE STATUS QUO AT LEAST SINCE IT WAS, AND I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH THAT AS PART OF, UM, THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BUILT IT ORIGINALLY.

AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THERE HADN'T HAD ANY CRASHES.

THERE HADN'T BEEN ANY FURTHER DETERIORATION.

UM, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THAT.

CERTAINLY.

AND ALSO, THANK YOU LOOKING AT THAT LINK ROAD, UM, THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING NEIGHBORS ON THAT FOR, FOR A WHILE.

AND AT SOME POINT, UH, SHERIFF MONTGOMERY AND MYSELF WENT OUT THERE AND MET NEIGHBORS.

WE WALKED THE ROAD AND THAT WAS REALLY AN EYE OPENER.

CAUSE I SAID IT'S ASPHALT AND IT'S LIKE A FOOT DROP AND IF YOU'VE GOT A SMALL CAR, YOU DROP A TIRE OFF THAT YOU'RE DONE.

I RECOVERED.

AND AND LIKE YOU SAID, WHEN THEY CUT THE GRASS, THEY CUT IT EVEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT MM-HMM.

A FOOT OF SHOULDER.

YOU GOT, YOU GOT NOTHING THERE.

SO I'M, I'M GLAD I'M, I'M GLAD, GLAD YOU'RE, YOU GUYS ARE ON IT AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE WORK BEGINNING.

AND YOU'RE GONNA, I THINK YOU SAID THURSDAY, YOU'RE GONNA START THAT SHOULDER REHABIL ORIENTATION TEST AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

CERTAINLY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT.

WELL GO AHEAD.

WELL, YEAH, WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TO THE, THE ORIENTA ROAD, R 17, THAT NEW BUSINESS INGRESS EGRESS.

CUZ WHAT YOU SHOWED ME IS, YEAH, AND I THINK, I THINK I, I'M REALLY GONNA HAVE TO ASK, PUSH THAT OFF UNTIL I CAN FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO COMMENT ON ONE SET OF PLANS.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, AT A SET, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT, WHAT WE VOTED ON.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT I

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WAS LOOKING AT.

SO THEN WE'LL YEP.

AND I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN THE PERMIT.

SO THE PROJECT, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE, THE TANK FIVE OIL CHANGE AT THE CORNER.

AND THEN, AND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE EXIT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT ONTO ORA ROAD, RIGHT.

UM, THE, THE PLANS THAT WE LOOKED AT BACK WHEN WE APPROVED IT SHOWED INGRESS AND EGRESS BOTH ON 17 AND OREGON A ROW, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

BUT ROSSI HAS PLANS THAT SHOWS NO, UH, EGRESS ON THE 17, ALL THE EXITS GOES THROUGH ORGANIC.

THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE, AND IT USED TO BE THERE WAS GONNA, THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROPOSALS PUT UP SEVEN, UH, 7-ELEVEN OR MCDONALD'S.

AND ORIGINALLY THERE, BUT THERE WERE 17.

IF YOU LOOK BACK, THERE USED TO BE FOUR ENTRANCES AT THAT MM-HMM.

PARCEL.

UM, SO NOW THERE'S ONLY TWO, UM, OR PROPOSED TWO.

WELL, YOU'LL BRING THAT BACK TO US.

IT'S HARD TO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA MAKE COMMENTS ON ONE THING.

THAT'S FINE.

LIKE I SAID, I'LL, I'LL SEND YOU WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND WE CAN GET TOGETHER AT SOME POINT, FIGURE WHAT THE DEALS.

BUT I MEAN, BOTTOM LINE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE ISSUES WITH LEFT TURNS ON ORIENTA, I MEAN MM-HMM.

, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, I WAS HERE EVEN BEFORE THE RIGHT END, RIGHT OUT AT, UH, AT, UM, UH, STARBUCKS.

STARBUCKS.

AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE, THE DELINEATORS ALONG THE ROAD TRYING TO KEEP LEFTS GOING INTO THE STILL HOOKERS.

I MEAN, WE BUILT THE PORK CHOP THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT LEFT TURN FROM HAPPENING, WHICH SLOWS UP THE THROUGHPUT RIGHT AT 17.

BUSINESS IS JUST TOO GOOD THERE.

WRONG SPOT FOR I'M AFRAID.

IT IS IT REALLY? OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, ROSSY, AS ALWAYS, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

YOU GUYS ARE REALLY BUSY AND WE'VE, I MEAN, I, I WILL TELL YOU JUST SO WE'RE, YOU'RE TENURED BEING, BEING HERE, IT'S JUST BEEN WONDERFUL.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT WORK, REALLY.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

COME SEE US AGAIN.

I'LL

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CALL ON MARK BELLAMY.

NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, COUNTY ENDORSEMENT AND PLAN TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.