Dec 20, 2022 Board of Supervisors

THE FIRST ONE WILL BE FROM THE U YOUTH COMMISSION AND I CALL ON CAROLINE MORRIS.

WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT.

[A. York County Youth Commission. Receive a quarterly report from the York County Youth Commission.]

THANK YOU CAROLINE.

COME UP TO THE SPEAKER.

HI.

AND GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION LIAISON, MS. LISA HANKS, MY FELLOW YOUTH COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CAROLINE MORRIS AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION.

TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ON ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AS WELL AS INITIATIVES WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT IN THE FUTURE.

OUR MOTTO IS YOUR COMMUNITY, YOUTH COMMUNITY.

THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WE OFFER A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE AND INVOLVEMENT, INCLUDING THE YORKTOWN MARKET DAYS AND OTHER EVENTS.

WE ALSO HAVE A STUDENT RELATIONS COMMITTEE THAT, THAT CONDUCTS SURVEYS AT EACH OF THE FOUR HIGH SCHOOLS.

OUR MISSION IS TO BRING LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLERS TOGETHER TO COLLABORATE CONTR, CONTRIBUTE TO THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY, AND HAVE A VOICE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

WE STARTED OFF OUR ORIENT BY HAVING OUR ORIENTATION IN AUGUST AT THE FREIGHT SHIP BUILDING.

MR. RON FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SEVERAL OTHER GUESTS CAME TO SPEAK TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION.

WE ALSO ESTABLISHED OUR COMMITTEES AND OUR CALENDAR FOR THE FIRST QUARTER.

IN ADDITION, WE DID SOME TEAM BUILDING ACTIVITIES AND GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON A SEGUE TOUR OF THE HISTORIC YORKTOWN AREA.

THIS YEAR, Y C YC PARTNERED WITH KEVIN RICHIE FROM THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO CREATE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES FOR YORK COUNTY YOUTH.

WE STARTED BY VOLUNTEERING AT THE FALL FESTIVAL AND PAINTING PUMPKINS.

THIS YEAR WE CHOSE TO DO A DISNEY THEME FOR OUR BOOTH AND PASSED OUT CANDY AT THE PO, THE RIVER DAY PARADE.

WE ALSO HELPED WITH CRAFT PROJECTS AT THE MARITIME AND HARVEST DAY FESTIVALS.

WE REC, WE RECEIVED LOTS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOUTH AND PARENTS FOR HELPING WITH THESE OPPORTUNITIES.

IN OCTOBER, THE YOUTH COMMISSION WORKED WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION

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DEPARTMENT ON A PUMPKIN HUNTING ACTIVITY FOR YOUTH.

THESE ARE JUST A FEW PICTURES OF OUR COMMISSIONERS VOLUNTEERING AND FOR OUR WINTER EVENT, WE DECIDED TO PLAN A BINGO NIGHT AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

THE YOUTH COMMISSION DONATED PRIZES AND CAME TO PLAY BINGO WITH SOME OF OUR SENIORS, AND THE EVENT HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL TURNOUT.

WE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING.

AT YORKTOWN BEACH.

AND Y C Y C HELPED TO WRITE HOLIDAY CARDS FOR SERVICE MEN, WOMEN, AND FIRST RESPONDERS AT THE FREIGHT SHED.

THE YOUTH COMMISSION WILL ALSO BE OFFERING FOUR $1,000 SCHOLARSHIPS TO OUT OUTSTANDING YOUTH IN YORK COUNTY.

THE COMMITTEE SELECTING RECIPIENTS WILL CONSIST OF TWO YOUTH COMMISSIONERS AND ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.

NOMINATIONS ARE DUE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE BY FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 17TH, 2023 AT 5:00 PM APPLICATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR'S YOUTH COMMISSION WILL ALSO BE DUE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE BY FRIDAY, MARCH 25TH TO 2023 AT 5:00 PM BOTH CAN BE FOUND ON THE Y C Y C INSTAGRAM PAGE AND THE YORK COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND YOUTH COMMISSION WEBSITES.

OUR FUTURE PLANS FOR THE UPCOMING MONTHS INCLUDE CREATING AND SENDING SURVEYS TO ALL YORK COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.

WE'LL ALSO BE CONDUCTING OUR TOWN HALL MEETING IN APRIL, AND THE YOUTH COMMISSION IS ALSO PLANNING ON DOING OUR ANNUAL ADOPT THE HIGHWAY CLEANUP ON SEAFORD ROAD IN THE SPRING.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE@WWW.YCYC.INFO OR CONTACT THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE.

THANK YOU CAROLYN.

VERY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'D LIKE TO SAY WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB YOU'VE DONE.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN MOST THAT YOU APPRECIATED FROM YOUR YEAR? UM, I WOULD SAY JUST GETTING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND DOING HANDS-ON VOLUNTEER WORK.

GREAT.

I HOPE YOU KEEP IT UP.

THANK YOU YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU ALL FOR A GOOD YEAR.

I HOPE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK HIM.

OH, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I THOUGHT I GOT, HE'S GOT A QUESTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF FOLKS AND, AND IN THE AUDIENCE ON TV AND WHEN NOT, DON'T REALIZE HOW BUSY YOU GUYS ARE.

UM, NORMALLY, HISTORICALLY, WE END UP, UH, WITH THE STUDENTS THAT APPLY TO BE ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION, THE ONES WE SELECT, WE LOOK AT THE RESUMES AND YOU GUYS ARE CHOCK FULL OF EITHER IN SPORTS OR ACADEMICS OR AS VOLUNTEERS FOR YOUR CHURCH OR VOLUNTEERS WITH, WITH A, UH, WITH SOME CHARITY.

UM, AND, UH, AND SO THE EFFORTS YOU PUT IN AND THE THINGS YOU DO AND TALK TO US, AND PARTICULARLY THOSE SURVEYS ARE, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

CUZ IT TELLS US, UH, FROM YOUR EFFORTS, ONE, HOW WELL YOU'RE DOING AND TWO, WHAT IS GOING ON.

SO I, I NOTICED YOU, YOU SAID THAT, UH, YOU WERE PLANNING ANOTHER, YOU'RE PLANNING A SURVEY, RIGHT? YES.

SO HOW ARE YOU DOING THE SURVEYS DIFFERENT THIS YEAR THAN WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST? WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE REVIEWING, UM, SOME OF OUR SURVEYS WITH THE PRINCIPALS AT THE HIGH SCHOOLS MM-HMM.

, AND WE'RE GONNA BE GOING OVER THE QUESTIONS AND SEEING HOW WE CAN WORD THEM DIFFERENTLY FROM LAST YEAR AND, UM, REVIEWING THE RESULTS TO BETTER IMPLEMENT THEM THIS YEAR.

SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, OVER THE YEARS, I MEAN, OVER MANY YEARS, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED A LOT ON BULLYING BEING AN ISSUE.

UM, SOME SOC UH, UH, SOCIAL PRESSURES AND STRESSES THAT THAT STUDENTS HAVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL HEAR THINGS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT THEY WANT TO HAVE IN, UH, ACTIVITIES IN YORK COUNTY.

UM, AND SO ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THE INPUTS THAT YOU GET FROM THOSE STUDENTS, INCLUDING YOURSELVES, IS, UM, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.

SO, I MEAN, SOME OF IT'S LONG TERM.

I MEAN, MANY OF YOU WILL, MAY HAVE ALREADY GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE BY THE TIME THAT SOMETHING COULD BE IMPLEMENTED, AND THAT'S TRUE.

WE, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT.

BUT IT ALL STARTED WITH THE YOUTH GIVING AN INPUT THROUGH YOU GUYS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

SO IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR HARD WORK.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

UH, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM.

THE NEXT ITEM, UH, NEXT PRESENTATION IS GONNA BE DONE BY OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR,

[1. Capital Improvements Program. Receive presentation from Neil A. Morgan, County Administrator.]

MR. MORGAN.

WANNA SAY, UH, BRIAN FULLER AND I GOT TO MEET WITH THE YOUTH COMMISSION LAST WEEK AND REALLY ENJOY GETTING TO KNOW EVERYONE.

WHILE HEATHER'S PULLING THAT UP, I JUST

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IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE.

SO EVERY YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME, UH, WE GO OVER THE PROPOSED, UH, SIX YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN SOME DETAIL WITH THE BOARD, THE STAFF WORK ON.

THIS BEGINS IN LATE SUMMER AND ENDS AROUND THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER.

UH, WE SENT THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT TO THE BOARD, AND IT'S PUBLICLY POSTED AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, THE SIX YEAR PLAN, UH, IS PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET PROCESS.

SO YOU HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UH, BUT THIS PRESENTATION KIND OF REPRESENTS, UH, THE END OF THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS WHERE STAFF HAS SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH.

AND JUST A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THAT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE.

SO OF COURSE, IT'S A MULTI-YEAR PLAN, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T TYPICALLY PAY FOR OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET, USUALLY BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT TAKES TO EITHER CONSTRUCT, RECONSTRUCT, OR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT IT WILL LAST.

UM, HISTORICALLY, CAPITAL BUDGETS HAVE MAINLY BEEN ABOUT BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE MORE MODERN ERA.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PAY FOR EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY, UH, AND FIND A LITTLE ROOM FOR THAT IN OUR C I P AS WELL.

YEAR ONE, UH, IS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATED AS PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO A WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE SIX YEAR PLAN IS THE FURTHER TO THE LEFT, THE CLOSER TO YEAR ONE, THE MORE PRECISE AND CLOSER TO FINAL THE NUMBERS ARE, AND THE FURTHER TO THE RIGHT YOU GO, UH, THE MORE SPECULATIVE MM-HMM.

AND SORT OF MORE LIKE PRELIMINARY PLANNING FOR WHAT WE THINK WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN IN FUTURE YEARS.

AND OF COURSE, EACH YEAR, UH, THERE'S A ROLLING ONE YEAR ADJUSTMENT, UH, BASED ON TIMING, COST CHANGES, ACTIONS WITH THE BOARD AND EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE HAVE NO, UH, FACTORS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

SO, SO REAL BROAD BRUSH IN MANY WAYS.

THE, UH, 2024 BY, UH, PROPOSED CIP P THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PLAN IS SOMEWHAT OF A RETURN TO NORMAL, I HATE TO USE THAT WORD, BUT AFTER SORT OF THE WILD SWINGS IN OUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THE, THE WORST OF THE COVID PERIOD.

UH, HOPEFULLY IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, UH, REGULAR TIMES, BOTH IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL PLANNING AND ALSO IN TERMS OF THINGS LIKE, UH, SUPPLY CHAIN AND CONSTRUCTION INFLATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, WE ALWAYS TRY TO, UH, PUT AN EMPHASIS ON THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THE BOARD'S SIX STRATEGIC PRIORITIES.

AND, UM, YOU WILL NOTICE MOST OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA GO OVER ARE THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT MORE THAN ONCE.

UH, MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT HAVE SORT OF BEEN SET IN OUR FACILITIES PLANNED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT IN THE OUT YEARS, WE DO IDENTIFY SOME THINGS THAT WE THINK NEED CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE THAT HAVEN'T MADE THE CUT PREVIOUSLY.

AND FUNDAMENTALLY OF THE PHILOSOPHY THAT YOU SEE HERE IS ONE OF INVESTING IN FACILITIES AND ASSETS WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND PROTECTING THE ASSETS WE HAVE IS OUR, IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY.

THE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES CATEGORY FOR SOME HISTORICAL REASON IS WHERE MOST OF THE LARGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS SHOW UP IN THE CIP P.

AND THE ONE THAT IS MOST SIGNIFICANT BY FAR IS WE'RE PROPOSING THE FUNDS NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE SHERIFF'S HEADQUARTERS LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING.

AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS YEAR'S CIP P YOU WOULD SEE THAT WE HAD A NUMBER OF 1.5 MILLION IN 2024, WHICH WAS, UM, INTENDED FOR THE FIT UP COSTS.

THAT MOSTLY FOR THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE FURNITURE AND THINGS THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PAY FOR JUST WHEN CONSTRUCTION WAS BEGINNING.

UH, THE REALITY IS WE'VE HAD, UH, LOTS OF INFLATION IN THESE ITEMS. AND SO THIS IS THE NUMBER WE BELIEVE THAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO COMPLETELY FINISH THE BUILDING WITH ALL THE EQUIPMENT, ANY POTENTIAL CHANGE ORDERS, ALL OF THE FURNITURE.

UH, SO THAT ABOUT 14 MONTHS FROM NOW, THAT BUILDING IS OPEN AND FULLY OPERATIONAL.

NOW, WHAT POSITIVE ABOUT THIS IS WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL DEBT PROPOSED.

SO WE

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WOULD BE USING, UH, CASH FROM THE 2022 OPERATING SURPLUS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU HAVE A, UH, QUESTION, PLEASE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE YEARS WHEN THINGS WERE NORMAL AND WE WATCHED THE BUDGET, UH, WE WATCHED THINGS FLOW THROUGH THE, THE CIP P UM, THEY WERE VERY PREDICTABLE BECAUSE THE LAST, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY EIGHT, EIGHT YEARS, MAYBE 10 YEARS, BECAUSE IT WASN'T A BIG INFLATION THING.

UM, NOW, UH, OVER TIME IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE INFLATION IN, IN GOODS AND SERVICES THAT WE RECEIVE, LIKE AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL, LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL, UH, EXCEED THE INFLATION THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IN A BROAD, YOU KNOW, THE GENERALIZED INFLATION, UH, OVERALL BY JUST A MAGNITUDE OF A BUNCH, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND IS SOME OF THAT, UH, HOW IS THAT BEING DRIVEN? UM, IS IT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE NOW ALL ASKING FOR STUFF, OR IS IT, DO YOU THINK THERE'S SOME GOUGING GOING ON? OR, OR SHOULD WE COUNTER SOME OF THAT? MAYBE THINK ABOUT DELAYING PROJECTS UNTIL THE INFLATION BECOMES MORE NORMALIZED? SO THERE'S PROBABLY AS MANY DIFFERENT EXPLANATIONS AS, AS ONE COULD IMAGINE.

I MEAN, CERTAINLY ONE PART OF IT, UH, WAS ALL OF THE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE TO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT MEANS THAT CITIES AND COUNTIES AND TOWNS AND UNIVERSITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ARE BUILDING THINGS AND BUYING THINGS.

AND SO TO SOME DEGREE, THAT'S PUT PRESSURE ON DEMAND, UH, FOR THINGS LIKE INSTITUTIONAL FURNITURE, SECURITY SYSTEMS, CAMERAS, UH, COMPUTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, SOME OF THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF IT, WHICH WE PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY MANAGED IN THE CASE OF THIS BUILDING, ALSO HAS TO DO WITH THE LABOR MARKET CONTRACTORS HAVING TROUBLE GETTING THE PEOPLE.

UH, IN HAMPTON ROADS, THERE'S KIND OF A SPECIALIZED ISSUE OF THE HAMPTON ROADS BRIDGE TUNNEL PROJECT.

IS SO GIGANTIC THAT IT'S SUCKING ALL OF THE CONTRACTORS, SUBCONTRACTORS, THE CEMENT SUPPLY, EVERYBODY WITH A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE.

THAT'S KIND OF A, THE, THE TOP TIER OF THE ECONOMY.

UM, I GUESS MOSTLY WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THINGS WILL SORT OF GRADUALLY GET BACK TO SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH.

SO WHAT I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IN THIS PLAN, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS INDIVIDUALLY, IS SOME OF THE INFLATIONARY INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET PERFORMANCE.

WE'VE BASIC, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS BASICALLY HE CALLED THAT, PUT IT BACK INTO OUR CONSTRUCTION PROGRAM SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE THINGS WE'VE PLANNED ON WITHOUT ANY TAKEN ON ANY ADDITIONAL DEBT.

, SO WE KIND OF RECYCLED IT, UM, IS THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING IN THIS CASE.

UH, WE'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO COMPLETE IT.

AND THE GOOD STORY IS WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A TEAM WORKING ON ALL THOSE DETAILS ON THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE FURNITURE AND, UM, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO BORROW ANY MORE MONEY TO GET IT DONE.

THERE ARE OTHER, UH, FACILITIES, PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

AND, UM, THIS JUST SHOWS THE, THE LATEST STAFF SEQUENCING IDEAS.

THEY MOSTLY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

UH, WHEN THE SHERIFF MOVES OUT OF WHAT WE CALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, WHAT WILL REMAIN IS FIRE ADMINISTRATION.

AND SO YOU SEE THE NUMBERS FOR RENOVATING THAT BUILDING ONCE THE SHERIFF MOVES OUT.

AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT REHABILITATION OF THIS BUILDING OTHER THAN ADDING A GENERATOR IN YOUR RECENT YEARS MM-HMM.

, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, BUT ONE THING WE'RE VERY CERTAIN WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO GET AWAY FROM HAVING AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT WE HAVE TO SET UP EVERY TIME WE ANTICIPATE MM-HMM.

AN EMERGENCY.

WE WANT TO HAVE A PERMANENTLY ESTABLISHED EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, SO THAT AND SOME OTHER RECONDITIONING.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO SORT OF CARVE UP THAT SPACE.

UH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA COMPLETE A ONE STOP SHOP WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE BUILDING SAFETY, UH, MOVED TO THE SAME FACILITY WHERE WE HAVE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UH, AND THIS PLAN WOULD ALLOW THAT TO BE COMPLETED.

AND THEN WHILE WE'VE PUT IT OFF FOR A WHILE AND WE'VE LET SOME OTHER THINGS GET AHEAD OF IT FOR GOOD REASON, UH, THE FINANCE BUILDING IS GOING TO NEED A MAJOR REHAB AT SOME POINT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

BUT AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE KIND OF BEEN ON OUR LIST AND IT'S A MANAGE OF A MATTER OF TIMING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT MUSICAL CHAIR SEQUENCE? SO THE ONLY REALLY SIGNIFICANT NEW ONE ON THIS LIST, AND IF IT'S, OF COURSE, IT'S IN THE OUT YEARS, AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

UH, BUT WE HAVE BECOME CONVINCED AS A STAFF THAT YOUR CALL NEEDS SOME ATTENTION.

UM, THIS IS OUR SEAT OF GOVERNMENT AND WILL BE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

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SO SOMETIME IN THE NEXT THREE, FOUR YEARS, UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, UM, PUT SOME INVESTMENT INTO THIS BUILDING TO SECURE IT FOR THE FUTURE.

DO YOU RECALL WHEN THE LAST TIME THIS WAS REMODELED? OH, SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM PROBABLY DOES, I'M, I'M GUESSING 15 YEARS AGO, MORE THAN THAT.

20, I THINK IT WAS 1999.

99 99 LIBRARY.

SO FOR THOSE WHO COULDN'T HEAR, UH, A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS AGO MM-HMM.

SO THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS IN THE CIP P I MENTIONED THAT THESE DAYS, CIP P'S EQUIPMENT, EXPENSIVE TECHNOLOGY HAS TO COMPETE WITH BRICKS AND MORTAR.

THESE THINGS ARE PRETTY ROUTINE.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REPLACE MOBILE DATA TERMINALS ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS, FOR EXAMPLE.

, MR. MORGAN, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT FIRING RANGE .

WHY IS THAT NUMBER IN THERE? YEAH.

AND AS I RECALL, WE HAD ENTERED A AGREEMENT, MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL AGREEMENT, THAT THE OTHER JURISDICTION WOULD GIVE US AS SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF $250,000 AS WHAT, WHAT THAT IS THEIR MONEY.

SO THAT'S THEIR MONEY.

THAT'S THEIR MONEY.

ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S OF A SCALE THAT YOU COULD ARGUE WHETHER IT OUGHT TO EVEN BE IN HERE.

BUT WE WANTED, SINCE IT'S PART OF AN AGREEMENT, AND THEY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION OF 25,000 A YEAR, WE WANTED TO REFLECT IT IN THE PLAN.

SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE END OF THIS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHO PAYS FOR WHAT AND WHERE THE CASH IS AND WHERE THE DEBT IS, UM, I WOULD POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT SOME OF THE DOLLARS YOU SEE IN HERE, THE GROSSED UP DOLLARS, THEY COME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN SOME CASES OTHER AGENCIES AND PROFFERS AND OTHER THINGS.

SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S COMING FROM THE, UH, RE THE HAMPTON ROADS REGIONAL CRIMINAL JUSTICE TRAINING ACADEMY.

SO THESE ARE MANY ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD RECOGNIZE FROM THE PAST, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE IN THERE.

UH, ONE THAT WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT HAS BEEN OUR, UH, LIFE CYCLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM FOR HEAVY FIRE EQUIPMENT.

AND, UH, WE JUST HAVE A, A SLIGHT INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT AS TIME GOES ON THERE.

UH, ANOTHER THING THAT THIS BOARD AND THE PAST DECADE HAS MADE SOME REALLY GOOD PROGRESS ON IS, UH, OUR INVESTMENTS IN EMERGENCY GENERATORS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO TAB HIGH SCHOOL, THE GRAFT AND COMPLEX IS FULLY GENERATED NOW.

AND, UH, WE HAVE A GRANT AND YORK HIGH SCHOOL WILL BE COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT 16, 18 MONTHS.

AND, UH, WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO, YOU KNOW, HARDEN OUR, UH, SHELTER AND CAPACITY, UH, GOING FORWARD.

MR. MORGAN, I, I'M THINKING THE FIRE APPARATUS REPLACEMENT OR THINGS LIKE AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT.

SO, AND I'M, SO I'M THINKING, GIVEN THE LEAD TIME WE'RE SEEING THESE DAYS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING MONEY IN 2025 FOR DELIVERY.

THERE PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL 2027 AS IT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY.

SO, UM, THERE'S, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY WE PROPOSE TO SPEND, AND THEN THERE'S THE, HOW WE PAY FOR IT PART, AND THEN THE CASE OF THE MAJOR FIRE EQUIPMENT.

THE WAY OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS IT PLANNED OUT IS WE, WE BORROW THE MONEY EVERY OTHER YEAR AND WE PAY CASH EVERY OTHER YEAR.

AND, UH, SO FOR SURE SOMETHING LIKE A LADDER OR A PUMPER, UH, OR A CRASH TRUCK WOULD COME OUT OF THIS, THE MOST EXPENSIVE UNITS.

IN SOME CASES WE BUY MEDIC UNITS FROM THIS FUND.

SOMETIMES WE GET GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS FROM MEDIC UNITS.

TO APPLY FOR STATE REVENUE SHARING FOR UP TO 5 MILLION.

EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS IS THE BIG TICKET ITEM HERE.

UH, FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR REGIONAL, UH, RADIO SYSTEM MM-HMM.

THAT, UH, YORK IS THE HUB FOR.

AND WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOW US OVER TIME TO REFRESH THAT SYSTEM ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS AS WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING, AND GRADUALLY GET AWAY FROM BORROWING THE MONEY TO DO IT.

PUBLIC WORKS HAS MANY VERY IMPORTANT INVESTMENTS IN THEIR PROGRAM THAT ARE KIND OF, UM, NOT UNDER THE RADAR, BUT, BUT NOT REAL DRAMATIC WITH THE TITLES.

MANY OF THESE, IF YOU DRILL DOWN INTO THEM, HAVE VERY SPECIFIC, UH, PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT YEARS AT DIFFERENT PLACES.

BUT TAKEN AS A WHOLE, UH, THINK OF THIS CATEGORY AS, UH, INVESTING IN OUR NON BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO IN, UH, PROTECTING BUILDINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

SO, TRANSPORTATION RECALL THAT, UM, EVERY TWO YEARS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

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AND MANY LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA APPLY FOR THE MAX.

WE'VE NEVER REALLY, UH, BEEN PREPARED TO COME UP WITH ENOUGH MONEY TO APPLY FOR THE MAX, BUT THAT MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR THING, UH, THERE, YOU SEE IN THE FIRST LINE, PUTS US IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST APPLY FOR A RESPECTFUL AMOUNT OF STATE REVENUE SHARING FUNDS.

AND SOMETIMES WE CAN MATCH THAT WITH SOME OTHER FUNDS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE, UH, WORMLEY CREEK DRAINAGE PROJECT, UH, WE USE SOME DRAINAGE FUNDS TO ALSO MATCH THAT MM-HMM.

, UH, AND YOU SEE SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE PROGRAMMED JUST BASICALLY KEEPING THE ROOST IN OUR BUILDINGS IN GOOD SHAPE, THE AIR CONDITIONING REPLACED AND THE COUNTY PUBLIC WORK STAFF, UH, REHABILITATES BASKETBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

OR AS WELL AS PARKING LOTS.

AND YOU SEE ALL OF THAT IN THE PROGRAM.

AND THERE YOU SEE SOME OTHER ONES, EACH TRACK UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.

UM, THIS IS ONE THAT'S REALLY HARD TO KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS.

UH, BUT VDOT, UH, IS PRETTY FAR ALONG IN DESIGNING THE WIDENING OF ROUTE 17 FROM WOLF TRAP ROAD.

WE NEED TO, TO, UH, GOODWIN NECK AND THE COUNTY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, COMMITTED TO UNDERGROUND IN THE UTILITIES AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.

IT'S A VERY ARCANE PROCESS WHERE VDOT ORGANIZES ALL THE PRIVATE UTILITIES.

, UH, IT'S ALL DESIGNED AND PAID FOR, AND WE GET THE BILL .

UM, AND WE BELIEVE THE TOTAL NUMBER FOR THAT IS SOMETHING LIKE TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'VE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT A MILLION SET ASIDE PREVIOUSLY.

AND AGAIN, WHEN VIDOS READY TO GO WITH THAT PROJECT IS ANOTHER, UH, WILD GUESS.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT IS FOR MM-HMM.

AND OF COURSE, UM, THIS BOARD HAS SUPPORTED THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FUND, WHICH IS, SHALL WE SAY, THE SIDEWALK AND BIKE TRAIL FUND.

WHICH WE CAN ALSO USE FOR VDOT REVENUE SHARING MATCHES.

AND THIS JUST SHOWS, UM, A CONTINUING COMMITMENT, UH, TO DO THAT.

UH, IN THE YEARS COMING UP, YOU'LL SOON BE RECEIVING A REPORT AND A PRESENTATION ON SORT OF ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE QUEUE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS MM-HMM.

, UH, WHICH THAT LINE ITEM WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT.

THIS IS UNDER ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FUND.

ONE THING THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT APPEARS WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THIS, BUT WE NEED TO, IT WOULD BE MAYBE, UM, SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT WHILE WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE PLANNING THESE SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE LIGHTING, THAT WE KIND INCORPORATE THAT IN THE, ON OUR COST ESTIMATES, BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, THIS, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST SOMETHING WE DON'T, IT'S GOT ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

AND THEN WE GO, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

WE NEED THIS.

UH, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA PUT LIGHTS ON EVERY POLE OR EVERYWHERE AROUND, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES WHERE DURING THE EVENING HOURS THAT, UH, OUR CONSTITUENTS WOULD BE WALKING IN THE DARK ON A, ON A, ON A SIDEWALK.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO LIGHT 'EM.

AND I, I'VE RECENTLY GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS ON MORE PUBLIC LIGHT AS WELL IN THE CONVERSATIONS TOO.

SO, SO I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE COMMENTS IN REACTING TO THAT.

WHEN YOU DESIGN LIGHTS AS PART OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT, IT CAN BE COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WHAT WE ARE LEARNING IS ON MANY OF THESE PROJECTS, WE CAN RETROFIT DOMINION POLES IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A TRANSFORMER ON THEM FOR RELATIVELY LOW COST, YOU CAN ADD A COBRA HEAD.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE DOING THAT ON BYPASS ROAD.

UM, AND, UH, IT'S, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ON HAMPTON HIGHWAY.

SO THAT'S, WE WILL LOOK TO SORT OF INCORPORATE THAT IN OUR PLANNING GOING FORWARD.

MR. MORGAN, I'VE GOTTEN SOME CALLS AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT LIGHTS THAT'S, UH, SHINING IN PEOPLE'S, UH, WINDOWS AND THINGS.

IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.

THE POINT ON, AS WELL AS THE THINGS THAT PARKS AND REC WOULD BE THE POINT ON.

WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO BE CAUTIOUS ON ONE ONE TO LET YOU KNOW BETWEEN GAL LIGHTS AND, AND NOT TO GET INTO A TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY DISCUSSION HERE, BUT YOU, GIVEN THE ADVANCEMENTS IN SOLAR POWER, AN E D TECHNOLOGY GIVES US SOME OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP LIGHTS WHERE YOU DON'T NEED TO TRANSFORM OR, OR EVEN ANY TYPE OF POWER THERE.

BUT PARKING DOWN LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, SUNSET, SUN, SUNSET TO SUN UP AND MOTION DETECT.

IT CAN GIVE YOU SOME SUNLIGHT ENOUGH MAYBE TO GET BY WITHOUT HAVING EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, POWER FEED AND SO FORTH.

SO, YEP.

GOOD POINT.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.

SO, COMMUNITY SERVICES IS HISTORICALLY HAD ITS OWN LIST OF PROJECTS AND THE WAY WE'RE ORGANIZED CURRENTLY, THAT WOULD REALLY INCLUDE BOTH THINGS THAT WE WOULD THINK OF AS, UH, SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM BEING

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AND, UH, YOU SEE SOME OF THESE HERE, ALL OF THESE YOU'VE, UH, BEEN BRIEFED ON IN THE PAST ON THIS PARTICULAR PAGE.

UH, WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANYTHING UNTIL, UH, ONE YEAR OUT.

SO THERE'S STILL SOME DETAILS TO WORK.

UH, THERE'S, UM, THOSE REPENT REPLACEMENT STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE WATERFRONT ON COUNTY FACILITIES.

THERE'S A LOT OF ADVANTAGES TO DOING THAT CURRENTLY.

UH, THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN UP AND PUT DOWN EVERY TIME THERE'S A, A THREAT OF THE WEATHER EVENT, CREATE SOME REAL LIMITATIONS FOR PERFORMERS.

UM, AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT BY A YEAR FROM NOW, WE'LL HAVE A CONSENSUS ON WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, OUTDOOR TENT REPLACEMENT THINGS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND MAYBE WE CAN SORT OF ORCHESTRATE A COMMON LOOK TO BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE ONES.

ONE THAT WE PUT OFF BECAUSE OF COVID AND THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PROCEED WITH PRETTY SOON IS, UM, WHAT WE CALL THE DOC MASTER'S OFFICE.

AND THE STAFF THINKS A BETTER LABEL IS TOURISM INFORMATION SLASH DOC MASTER'S OFFICE.

UH, RECALL THAT WE'VE ALREADY DESIGNED THAT, AND THEN WE SORT OF PUT IT ON HOLD.

AND, UM, THE DESIGN CONSTRAINT THERE IS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REASONS AT THE WATER, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO BUILD IT ON THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

, UH, THOSE BATHROOMS ARE NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE.

SO WE WANT TO HAVE A, UM, A REASONABLY ADEQUATE FACILITY FOR THE DOCK MASTER AND THE STAFF THAT WORKS RIGHT AT THE BEACH, AND ALSO SOME MODERN BATHROOMS FOR OUR VISITORS.

SO THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE ABOUT.

UM, WHILE THE, UH, REVISED 23 IS REALLY NOT NEW MONEY, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT CIP P YOU WILL SEE SOME LINE ITEMS, UH, FOR PARKS AND REC THAT JUST HAVE A NUMBER AND NOT AN IDENTIFIED THING, BUT COMING OUT OF THE WORK SESSION WE HAD, UH, WITH YOU ALL A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING NOW IS A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC INVESTMENTS WITH THAT MONEY.

UM, AND THIS WOULD BE SORT OF MORE OR LESS THIS SPRING MM-HMM.

, UM, AND IN PARTICULAR, WE WANNA START MAKING SOME INVESTMENTS IN TWO EXISTING PARK BAT CREEK, THE SOUTH AND NEW QUARTER IN THE NORTH AND BAT CREEK, QUITE SPECIFICALLY.

UH, WITH THOSE FUNDS, WE CAN DO TWO THINGS.

WE CAN, WE ALREADY DO KAYAK RENTALS THERE, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY WADE OUT INTO THE MUD, UH, WITH YOUR KAYAK.

AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PUT IT UP A STRUCTURE SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE HAVE AT, UH, WORMLEY CREEK, WHERE, UH, YOU CAN PUT OUT YOUR KAYAKS FROM A LITTLE FLOATING DOCK.

AND, UH, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY EASY THING TO ADD TO THE SERVICE WE ALREADY PROVIDE.

AND THE OTHER THING WE WOULD PROPOSE DOING, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.

I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE, SO, OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND WORLEY CREEK, SO YOU GONNA PUT A FLOATING DOCK WHERE? AT BACK CREEK PARK.

BACK CREEK.

I THOUGHT FOR SOME REASON I LOST YOU THERE.

THERE'S ALREADY KAYAK RENTALS THERE.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW YOU JUST, YOU JUST TAKE YOUR KAYAK AND YOU DRAG IT ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS OUT TO THE WATER, AND YOU JUST KIND OF WEIGH IN.

UM, IT'S NOT GOOD ON THE SHOES.

UH, SO THEN THE OTHER THING WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY IS RECALL, WE CURRENTLY HAVE SIX TENNIS COURTS AT BAT CREEK, AND FOUR OF THEM ARE ALSO STRIKE FOR, UH, PICKLEBALL.

AND, UH, THE COURTS ARE IN NEED OF, YOU KNOW, RESURFACING IN ANY CASE.

SO WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS REBUILD THE LOWER TWO TENNIS COURTS AS SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS FOLLOWED, UM, IN THE NEXT YEAR BY THE RESURFACING OF THE FOUR TENNIS COURTS ON THE UPPER LEVEL.

SO THEN YOU WOULD HAVE FOUR TENNIS COURTS AND SIX TICK PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHERE YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX MULTIPURPOSE COURTS.

SO THE LINES WOULD BE, UH, DEDICATED TO REALLY, THE COURT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO PICKLEBALL AND NOT A, NOT MOST PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS.

AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF PICKLEBALL, UH, CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY PLAY THERE NOW.

UM, AND THE STAFF WITH SOME INPUT FROM THAT GROUP HAVE LOOKED AT HOW THEY'RE DOING THAT IN OTHER PLACES.

AND BASICALLY THE COOL THING IS, ON THE FOOTPRINT OF TWO TENNIS COURTS, YOU CAN RENDER SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS.

SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THAT.

UH, THE KAYAK LAUNCHES AT BAT CREEK PARK THE SAME AS THE BOAT LAUNCHES OR ELSEWHERE? NO, THEY'RE, UH, BEHIND THE, UH, THE, THE LITTLE, THE BATHROOMS AND THE, AND THE LITTLE OFFICE WHERE THE STAFF SORT OF IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE TENNIS COURTS.

OH, OKAY.

I THAT ONE.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AT THE, UM, AT THE BOAT RAMP.

I, OKAY.

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I SEE.

AND SO, NEW QUARTER PARK ALSO HAS KAYAK PROGRAM.

IT'S, UM, A MUCH MORE AMBITIOUS EFFORT TO, TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THERE.

THERE IS A LONG, UH, UNPAVED HILLY WALKWAY, AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM A, UM, CONTRACTOR OR THE STAFF TO GET OUT TO WHERE YOU, YOU, UH, LAUNCH THE KAYAKS.

AND NEW QUARTER PARK IS PROBABLY OUR MOST UNDERINVESTED IN FACILITY.

IT'S, IT'S A HUGE PARK WITH A TEENY INVESTMENT.

AND SO WE THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, UH, OVER A COUPLE YEARS, UH, BUILD THAT OUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO THE ACTUAL KAYAK LAUNCH ON SOME TYPE OF PAVED PATH OR, OR SLASH ROAD.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED THAN BAT CREEK.

SO THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSE SPENDING SOME OF THIS YEAR'S REVISED FUNDS TO DESIGN IT.

, BECAUSE YOU GOTTA DO A LITTLE DESIGN WORK BEFORE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, FOLLOWED BY, UM, SORT OF A TWO-STEP IMPLEMENTATION.

SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SLIDE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, GET ON THEIR KAYAK AIR, SHOOT THAT THING RIGHT IN THE WATER AND BE DONE WITH IT.

, OR MAYBE SWEATING .

IT'S STEEP ENOUGH.

YOU CAN GET AIRPORT IF YOU WANNA SWALLOWS.

YEAH, LET'S DO IT.

WATCH OUT, TAKE OFF.

SO HERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS.

AND YOU SEE WE START GETTING IN SOME OUT HERES, I WILL SAY, AND, AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AT THE WORK SESSION IN RECENT YEARS, WE'VE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED ON CORE FACILITIES, UH, FOR THE COUNTY.

AND IT IS TIME TO MAKE A LITTLE EFFORT TO INVEST IN OUR PARKS AND REC FACILITIES.

AND SO RECALL YOU SET ASIDE SOME ARPA FUNDS AND WE ALSO HAD SOME GENERAL COUNTY FUNDS.

AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WE'RE STARTING TO DEFINE DISCRETE PROJECTS, BUT IN THE OUT HERE IS WE STILL HAVE SOME, UH, DOLLARS SORT OF T B D AS THINGS DEVELOP AND WHAT Y'ALL DECIDE TO DO, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT BE IN THE FUTURE.

IN PARTICULAR, UH, THE STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE SO-CALLED SCHOOL SITE AT THE MARQUEE, WE SHOULD USE THE KILN CREEK MODEL AND PUT SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, PASSIVE RECREATION AREA AT MINIMUM THERE FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE, ARE, ARE BUYING BACK IN THERE AND LIVING BACK IN THERE SO THEY CAN, UM, THROW A BALL AROUND OR RUN AROUND.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE SOME DESIGN WORK FIRST.

SO WHATEVER WE WOULD DO, WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SCHOOL.

SHOULD A SCHOOL BE, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO BUILD A SCHOOL SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE? HAD A QUESTION IF, SO, ALL THE PARKS WE TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW THIS IN, IN THE OUT, UH, THE OUT YEARS, IF YOU WILL, UH, OR JUST CALL IT THE YEARS IN HERE, DEPENDS ON HOW YOU INTERPRET OUT YEARS.

BUT, UM, DISTRICT FIVE, , WE HAVE NO PARKS.

I KNEW YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT.

I MEAN, WELL, WE DON'T, WE, I DON'T, I MEAN, OUR CLOSEST THING WE HAVE FOR A PARK, UM, WOULD BE OF SCHOOL GROUND.

TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL, MAYBE SOME PART OF TAB HIGH SCHOOL, BUT WE HAVE NO DEDICATED PARKS IN DISTRICT, ALL OF DISTRICT FIVE, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD IT FOR OVER ALL, ALL THE TIME.

I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE AS WELL OVER 20 YEARS.

SO, UM, IF, IF THIS HR SD PROJECT, WHICH IS GONNA APPEARS TO HAPPEN SINCE THEY'RE AT THE 90% DEVELOPMENT, UH, DESIGN RIGHT NOW, UH, AND THEY, AND THEY STEP UP WHERE THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA JUST, YOU GOT ALL THAT EXTRA LAND THEY, THEY DON'T NEED AND THEY'RE GONNA PASS IT OVER TO THE COUNTY.

SHOULD WE NOT CAPTURE SOME OF THAT IN THIS, UH MM-HMM.

, , UH, IN THE CIP P THAT'S A GOOD, SO, UH, TOM, WE, THE STAFF HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT.

WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA AS WE UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

UM, UH, HR S D WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD, UH, ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY CURRENTLY OWN TO OUR SPECIFICATIONS DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS MM-HMM.

AND SO, UH, PICKING UP FROM THERE AND HOW WE WOULD TIE INTO THAT COULD VERY WELL BE WHAT SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS IN 2026 OR 2027 WOULD BE FOR.

UH, BUT THIS FIRST PIECE IS GOING TO BE BUILT.

HRSD IS COMMITTED.

THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT TO BUILD IT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

AND IT'S STILL BEING DESIGNED, IT'S ALSO RELATED TO STORMWATER IN YOUR DISTRICT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE VISION OF THE CELESTIAL WAY DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM.

WOULD BE A STREAM RESTORATION WITH KIND OF A LINEAR PARK, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE STREAM RESTORATION AREA.

THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A PARK LIGHT DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR DISTRICT.

AND THE OTHER INTERESTING THING IS, ONE OF THE PROFFERS WITH THE SMITH FARMS DEVELOPMENT IS BUILDING SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THAT.

BUT IT'S MORE, THAT'S MORE OR LESS SPECIFIC TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, YES.

UM, THIS IS, I'M TALKING ABOUT TO THE, I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, PROBABLY USED MOSTLY BY THE CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT FIVE AND MAYBE DISTRICT FOUR.

SO, SO THE, THE VISION THERE, YOU KNOW, THE, FOR 30 YEARS, THE COUNTY'S HAD A, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VISION OF A TRAIL SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE, UH, POWER LINE EASEMENTS MM-HMM.

AND SO THE HR SD PROJECT WOULD BE KIND OF A START OF THAT.

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AND SO AN OBVIOUS THING TO DO WOULD BE TO CONNECT THOSE TWO.

AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A, THE BEGINNING OF A SYSTEM WITH OTHER INVESTMENTS AND THE COOPERATION OF VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD IMAGINE OTHER LINKS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO RUNNING THAT.

WELL, I, I SEE THIS, UM, THE, THE WAY WE LAY THIS OUT IN TIME, UM, WHAT WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THE HRSD PROPERTY IN TERMS OF TRAILS AND WHATEVER COULD END UP CONNECTING TO THE, UM, SMART, SMART SCALE, UH, PATH THAT RUNS DOWN FROM, UH, UH, NORTH BOWMAN ALL THE WAY INTO, UH, TO PACOIN.

WELL, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT WOULD BE A NICE CONNECTION THERE.

AND I, AND I DID NOT MENTION THAT, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT, UH, THE HRS D CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH WE HAD FEEDBACK ON, ASSUMES IT TIES INTO THE SMART SCALE, MULTIPURPOSE PATH RIGHT THERE ON VICTORY.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE ALL THAT BECOMING PART OF A SYSTEM OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.

AND, AND ONE THING I JUST WANNA POINT OUT FOR, FOR THE PARENTS AND TEACHERS AND THE STUDENTS THAT MIGHT EVER WATCH THIS PROGRAM, THIS IS PART OF THE CONCEPT WHEN I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE INPUT FROM THE YOUTH COMMISSION MM-HMM.

AND, AND THE SCHOOL AT TAB HIGH SCHOOL, THE IDEA CAME FROM THE STUDENTS.

SO HOW TO GET FROM TAB HIGH SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, ALL THE WAY OVER TO MOUNT VERNON OR TO TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE CONNECTION.

SO THIS IS PART OF THIS INPUT, UH, FROM, UM, FROM, FROM THE YOUTH COMMISSION MM-HMM.

, I THINK IN FACT IT WAS CRITICAL TO THE WHOLE IDEA.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

BEFORE YOU GO AWAY FROM THIS SLIDE, UM, DURING PREVIOUS WORK SESSIONS RECENTLY, THERE WERE SOME OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT I, I DON'T SEE HERE.

I WONDER IF THEY'VE DROPPED OFF THE PLAN, LIKE, SUCH AS DISCUSSION AROUND ABOUT DOG PARK POSSIBILITIES, OR ARE THEY OFF THE RADAR NOW OR JUST NOT CAPTURED HERE SPECIFICALLY? WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE THINKING? SO MY ANSWER TO THAT IS WHEN YOU SEE A LINE ITEM WITH A DOLLAR FIGURE THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE DEFINED MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

UH, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT THINGS IN THAT EITHER WE'VE GOTTEN CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO PROCEED ON, OR THINGS THAT THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME STRONG PROFESSIONAL VIEW ON.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONE WHERE BASICALLY AN, IT'S NOT A GIGANTIC EXPENDITURE.

UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE WHERE I, I KIND OF NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHERE THE BOARD'S AT ON THAT.

MOVING INTO STORM WATER, UH, MM-HMM.

, STORM WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CIP P THE FUNDING MODEL IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE MOST OF THE STORM WATER, UH, PROJECTS USE DEDICATED MEALS, TECH FUNDS, AND MOST OF THE SEWER PROJECTS USE, UH, DEDICATED, UH, SEWER FEES.

BUT IN TERMS OF BIG INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MAJOR PART OF OUR PROGRAM.

AND OF COURSE, PUBLIC WORKS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THEM.

UM, HERE YOU SEE, UH, THE CURRENT PRIORITIES ON THE STORMWATER SIDE, AND THESE ARE A MIX OF THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

AND THEY'RE IN THE, YOU KNOW, MIDST OF IMPLEMENTING AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME TO THE STAFF'S ATTENTION THAT REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE.

UM, AND I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO ANY OR ALL OF THEM, UM, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE WORMLEY CREEK, THIS REPRESENTS THE LAST PHASE OF THAT MM-HMM.

, SOME VERY SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT THAT, UM, ESSENTIALLY COMPLETES THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS FROM EDGEHILL FROM THE MARLE BANK.

UM, THERE'S SOME SEMI-RELATED, UH, UH, MARL, BANK COVE RAVINE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

QUEENS LAKE, YOU'VE RECEIVED A BRIEFING ON THAT.

OUR CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THAT CURRENTLY.

UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, BY STAFF.

AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, TMDL CREDITS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONSENT ORDER, ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATORY STUFF THAT SOME OF THESE ARE DRIVEN BY MM-HMM.

, UH, THOSE ISSUES IN, IN SPEAKING OF THAT, DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH THE COUNTY SHOULDERS THE BURDENS OF THESE EXPENSES VERSUS INPUT FROM STATE AND FEDERAL AND GRANT FUNDING TO, TO HELP TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THIS? WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PARTS THAT AN ANSWER.

THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, HR S D IS SPENDING WITH RATE PAYERS MONEY, UH, IN SUPPORT OF DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TMDL PROGRAM ABOVE AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COUNTY DOES.

BEEN FORTUNATE IN RECENT YEARS THAT THE, UH, THE STATE HAS WELL FUNDED, UH, A, A GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE ACRONYM IS SL STORM WHAT HELP ME OUT.

ON THE COUNTY SIDE, ON THE STORMWATER PART, UH, WE'VE

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STORMWATER LOCAL ASSISTANCE, STORMWATER LOCAL ASSISTANCE FUND.

SO WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN GETTING, IN SOME CASES MORE THAN 50% OF SOME OF THESE STORMWATER PROJECTS REFUNDED BY THE STATE, PARTICULARLY IF WE USE A STREAM RESTORATION STRATEGY AS OPPOSED TO BIG PIPE, BIG CONCRETE SOIL.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR.

UH, I JUST ROLLED OVER TO THE NEXT PAGE.

UH, THESE ARE SOME OTHER ONES.

THE CELESTIAL WAY, UH, ONE WOULD BE ONE THAT WE WOULD VERY MUCH EXPECT TO GET SOME SL GRANT ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE.

, CUZ THAT IS ENVISIONED AS A STREAM RESTORATION PROJECT.

VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.

UH, THE NEXT YEAR BIG TICKET IS THE THIRD FUEL FARM REPLACEMENT, THE ONE UP BY MAGRUDER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND FIRE STATION NUMBER THREE.

UH, THE MAIN FACILITY HAS BEEN REPLACED.

UM, THE, UH, THE ONE BY TAB IS GONNA BE REPLACED BASICALLY AS SOON AS SCHOOL'S OUT THIS YEAR.

AND THEN THIS ONE WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

SEWER FUNDS, UH, LOTS OF VERY SIGNIFICANT THINGS THERE.

SEEMS LIKE, I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE SEWER C I P NOW COMPARED TO MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD SEE A LOT LESS NEW PROJECTS AND A LOT BIGGER PERCENTAGE GOING INTO REHABBING LINES, REHABBING PUMP STATIONS.

WE HAVE LOTS OF, YOU KNOW, EPA GRANTED PUMP STATIONS FROM THE SEVENTIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, NEEDING A LOT OF WORK.

UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE BIGGEST ONE THAT'S KIND OF RIGHT IN FRONT OF US IS THE WHITES FAULKNER PROJECT, WHICH, WHICH PARTLY SEWERS PART OF ROUTE 17, WHICH IS UNBELIEVABLY CURRENTLY STILL ON SEPTIC AS WELL AS SOME ADJACENT LAND.

THAT'S A BIG PROJECT AND WILL HAVE TO BE DONE IN PHASES.

MR. MORGAN, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT A LOT OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU HAD WERE PAID FOR IN DIFFERENT BUNDLES OF MONEY.

I PAY A SEWER MAINTENANCE FEE EVERY MONTH ON MY SEWERS.

IS THAT WHERE THIS MONEY'S YEAH.

EVERY, EVERYTHING IN THIS PART OF THE CIP P COMES FROM THAT.

AND LOOKING FOR A LITTLE HUMOR IN THIS DRY PRESENTATION, SOME OF US MAY BE SAD THAT WE ARE NO LONGER GONNA HAVE A DON WINE LIFT STATION.

, UH, IT IS, IT, THE PLAN IS TO ABANDON IT.

IT'S PART OF THE RECALL.

THE HARP STATION DEVELOPER DID SOME EXTRA SEWER WORK, UH, AT OUR BEHEST.

AND THEN THAT'S GONNA ALLOW, UH, THE AREA THAT'S SERVED BY THE DON JUAN STATION, WHICH HIS STAFF IS ONE WHO ABANDONED FOR A LONG TIME TO, UH, NO LONGER BE NEEDED.

SO, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, WHEN THAT IS DONE, WE WILL DEMOLISH IT AND PRESUMABLY DECLARE THE PROPERTY SURPLUS.

AND PERHAPS WE'LL NEED TO LOOK FOR A NEW PUMP STATION TO NAME DON W CUZ I KIND OF LIKE THAT.

NOW, THE SCHOOLS HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY ADOPTED THEIR CIP P BUT, UH, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, UM, THE SUPERINTENDENTS AND I TALK ABOUT THE C I P AND, UH, THE, THE SCHOOL STAFF AND OUR STAFF, UH, SERVE ON EACH OTHER'S COMMITTEES.

SO, UH, THIS IS NOT TO THE PENNY WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT THESE ARE THE BIG TICKET THINGS THAT AT LEAST WOULD ALIGN WITH OUR PLAN OF FINANCE.

AND THE SINGLE BIGGEST ONE THEY WOULD TELL YOU IS FINISHING UP SEAFORD.

LIKE, UH, OUR BIG TICKET CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THEY'VE GOT THE SAME CHALLENGE OF ALL THE FIT UP AND EVERYTHING'S COMING IN SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN, THAN WHAT THEY HAD PLANNED.

AND TO THEIR CREDIT, UH, THEY ARE USING SOME, UH, SOME DESIGNATED STATE CAPITAL FUNDS AND SOME OF THEIR OWN SURPLUS DOLLARS TO FINISH UP SEAFORD WITHOUT TAKING ON ANY MORE DEBT, WHICH WE'VE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

THE QUEUE WOULD BE DARE, WHICH DOES HAVE SOME ROOM FOR EXPANSION AS WELL AS IN NEED OF REHAB.

, THEY DO HAVE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS IN THE QUEUE, WHICH OUR PLAN OF FINANCE AND THE, AND THE CIP P YOU'VE BEEN SUPPORTING WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE WITH.

UM, AND THIS BASICALLY CONTINUES THEIR STRATEGY OF REHABBING AND WHERE APPROPRIATE EXPANDING SCHOOLS AS A FIRST STEP.

UM, AND SO KIND OF NEXT ON THE ELEMENTARY SIDE IN

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SO IN THESE EXPANSIONS, DO THEY HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE OUTSIDE TRAILER CLASSROOMS? THEY CAN, THEY DO IN SOME CASES.

UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THAT STORY.

UH, ONE THAT I'M NOT REALLY SPEAKING ABOUT TOO, TOO MUCH TONIGHT, BUT YOU'LL BE HEARING MORE ABOUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS, UH, PRE-KINDERGARTEN MM-HMM.

AND THE NEEDS THERE, UM, BOTH ON THE COUNTY SIDE WITH HEAD START AND PRE-HEAD START, AND THE SCHOOLS WITH THEIR PRE-K, UH, NONE OF US ARE PROVIDING PRE-K TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE KIDS THAT NEED IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS.

TEACHER SHORTAGES, FACILITIES NOT IN THE SAME PLACE THE KIDS ARE.

AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE'RE ALL GONNA NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THAT.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THEM AS THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECLAIM SOME SPACE, UH, THAT USED TO BE COMPUTER LABS BECAUSE OF THEIR REMOTE COMPUTER PROGRAM, UM, AND THE WHERE THERE'S GROWTH AND NOT SO MUCH GROWTH CONTINUES TO KIND OF MOVE AROUND.

SO THEY, THEY THINK THE PROBLEM'S GONNA BE IN ONE SCHOOL, AND THEN IT TURNS OUT BEING ANOTHER.

SO THEY WILL PROBABLY ALWAYS, AT LEAST FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, HAVE SOME NEED FOR, UH, LEARNING COTTAGES, TRAILERS, IF YOU WILL.

THE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE IS THEIR, THOSE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS THEY HAVE, THEY CAN MOVE THEM IF THEY THINK THEY NEED THEM AT COVENTRY AND THEY FIND OUT THEY NEED THEM AT WALLER MILL.

YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO THAT A LOT MORE NIMBLY THAN, YOU KNOW, AN EXPANSION.

UH, SO SOME OF THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT WITH THE THINGS WE'RE DOING, JUST SORT OF PROTECTING YOUR INVESTMENT.

LIKE THE TAB MIDDLE SCHOOL, H V A C, UM, QUEENS LAKE, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL ALSO HAS A CAPACITY FOR AN EXPANSION.

AND SO THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG TICKET ITEM IN THEIR FUTURE 20 MILLION.

UM, TAB IS ANOTHER ONE THAT, UM, THEY'RE EAGER TO MOVE FORWARD ON.

THERE'S SOME PIECES OF THAT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOTALLY DEFINED YET.

UM, YEAH.

I GOT, CAN I STOP YOU THERE? SURE.

AS OBSERVATION BACK ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE ABOUT QUEENS LAKE, THE EIGHT CLASSROOM EXPANSION AND THE COST IS 20.7 MILLION.

UH, 10 YEARS AGO, MAYBE, MAYBE MAYBE 12 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD BUILD A, UM, TAB.

YOU COULD BUILD AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR ABOUT 25 MILLION.

SO JUST ADDING EIGHT CLASSROOMS ONTO THIS, COSTING THAT MUCH MONEY, WHERE, WHEREAS THIS 15 YEARS AGO, YOU COULD BUILD A WHOLE SCHOOL.

THAT'S AMAZING.

SO I TAKE YOUR POINT, ALTHOUGH IN THE CASE OF QUEENS LAKE, I BELIEVE THEIR PLAN IS TO SUBSTANTIALLY REHABILITATE THE EXISTING SCHOOL AS WELL AS ADDING THE CLASSROOM.

SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA KIND OF BE LIKE WALLER MILL WHEN IT'S DONE.

IT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY A NEW SCHOOL, SOME OTHER, UH, BIG TICKET ITEMS YOU SEE THERE, A MIX OF EXPANSIONS AND PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE.

AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL RECEIVE THE SCHOOL'S, UH, PRECISE RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL MAKE SOME, YOU KNOW, MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, UM, IN THE DOCUMENT THAT BECOMES PART OF YOUR OPERATING BUDGET.

THE LAST PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS ABOUT OUR PLAN OF FINANCE.

, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF ALL THIS.

IT'S EASY TO FILL UP A BUNCH OF NUMBERS AND SHOW A BUNCH OF PROJECTS.

IT'S HARDER TO PAY FOR THEM RESPONSIBLY.

HERE YOU GO.

THIS IMPORTANT SLIDE, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THIS SLIDE AND I LIKE TO SHOW IT, UM, WHAT THIS SHOWS IS IF, IF WE DID EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND AS WE UNDERSTAND THE SCHOOL'S PRELIMINARY IDEAS, UH, THAT SHOWS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS, AND IT SHOWS THAT OF ALL OF THAT DEBT SCHOOL AND COUNTY OR OF ALL THAT C I P SPENDING SCHOOL AND COUNTY, UH, A LITTLE OVER A THIRD IS PAID FOR WITH CASH, WHICH IS VERY GOOD BY ALMOST ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT MEASURE.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TAKING ON MORE DEBT THAN WE CAN HANDLE MM-HMM.

NOW, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT ON THE COUNTY SIDE, A MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE IS CASH AND MORE OF OUR BORROWING IS ON THE SCHOOL SIDE.

THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS FOR THAT.

ONE OF THEM IS WE HAVE MORE, UH, FLEXIBILITY TO RECYCLE CASH INTO OUR PROGRAM, UH, THAN THEY DO.

UH, BUT THE OVERALL STORY IS, UM, WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO

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AND THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GROWTH AND DEBT AND WHAT OTHERWISE YOU CAN DO IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE INTEREST RATES FOR SCHOOL PROJECTS, VICE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, ARE THE INTEREST RATES SIMILAR OR, YEAH.

UH, TERESA MIGHT WANT TO COMMENT, BUT SO FOR SCHOOL PROJECTS AND RECALL, SCHOOLS CAN'T TAKE ON DEBT.

IT HAS TO BE, THE COUNTY SCHOOL PROJECTS GO THROUGH ONE STATE CORPORATION THAT'S BEEN CREATED FOR FUNDING, UH, WITH, I FORGET WHAT THAT ACRONYM IS, UH, VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY, AUSTIN, VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY.

AND WHAT'S THEIRS? THIS IS SCHOOLS LITERALLY FINE, VIRGINIA.

SO, SO THEY'RE BASICALLY TWO PARALLEL AGENCIES AND A LOT OF COUNTIES DO THEIRS THROUGH, UH, THE ONE AND SCHOOLS DO THE OTHER.

BUT IN TERMS OF BASIS POINTS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME.

YEAH, THEY'RE BOTH ABOUT THE SAME.

SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, JUST THE ONES FOR SCHOOLS AND ONES FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO ON PAPER WE COULD SHOW WHERE WE GOT, WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM, BUT IT, IT ALL HAS TO ADD UP, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

IN THE SAME PLACE.

SO THERE ARE TWO MAJOR METRICS, UH, THAT WE ASK OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, CAN WE AFFORD THIS PLAN? AND ONE OF THEM IS, UH, AND BOTH OF THESE ARE, YOU ALL HAVE ADOPTED AS BOARD POLICY MM-HMM.

, SO THESE ARE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

UM, SO ONE OF THEM IS, UH, THE SIZE OF THE DEBT AS A PERCENTAGE OF, UH, ASSESSED VALUES OF REAL ESTATE MM-HMM.

, AND YOU BY RULE, IT COULD NOT EXCEED 3%.

3%.

AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE AT CURRENTLY IS 1.16, AND IF WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THE GROWTH AND REVENUES AND BUDGETS WAS AT THE TWO, 2.52% THAT WE ASSUMED HERE, YOU WOULD BE AT 1.4%.

SO VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE BY THAT MEASURE.

COMFORTABLE.

THE OTHER ONE THAT WE PROBABLY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION TO IS, UH, DEBT SERVICE AS A PERCENTAGE OF GENERAL FUND.

, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, BY IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 10%.

UH, IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 10%.

10%, YES.

AND, UM, WHAT FINANCE IS DONE IS IN THIS MODEL, THEY'VE PROJECTED, UM, TWO TO TWO AND A HALF PERCENT REVENUE GROWTH OVER SIX YEARS, WHICH IN TODAY'S INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT IS QUITE CONSERVATIVE.

UM, AND, BUT USING THAT ASSUMPTION AND THESE EXPENDITURE PLANS, UH, YOU SEE THAT THE, THE DEBT WOULD GO FROM 8.4%, UH, TO 8.8% OVER SIX YEARS, AND THEN WE GRAPH IT MM-HMM.

, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

, UH, ON A GRAPH.

SO COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF BOND RATINGS AND, YOU KNOW, DEBT MANAGEMENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S GOOD FOR OUR RATING ISN'T, YES.

ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE WE USE DO THIS POOL BORROWING THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, THE RATING IS KIND OF JUST A, JUST JUST AN, AN ORNAMENT.

UM, SO, AND THEN THIS IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGES, THE, THE OTHER GRAPHS AND SLIDES WERE PERCENTAGES.

THIS SHOWS YOU THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT WITH THIS PLAN OVER THE YEARS.

THIS ALWAYS SHOWS UP IN YOUR BUDGET DOCUMENT AS WELL.

UM, SO THE, THE GOOD THING IS THE, THE BIG BORROWING ON THE COUNTY SIDE, THE HEAVY LIFT WAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS ALREADY FACTORED IN.

AND SO FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH A DEBT SERVICE INCREASE, WHICH IS THE TIMING IS NICE.

AND, UH, THEN, UH, WHEN WE ACTUALLY PRESENT THE BUDGET IN THE THIRD WEEK OF MARCH, WE WILL MENTION AGAIN, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE FIRST YEAR OF THE CAPITAL PLAN, WHICH IS THE ONLY PART THAT'S ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE.

UM, BUT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS IT GOES UP SOME, IT GOES DOWN SOME, AND OF COURSE CERTAIN OTHER DEBT INSTRUMENTS ARE BEING PAID OFF AS WE'RE SURE, YOU KNOW, TAKING ON NEW ONES.

BUT THAT, THAT SHOWS YOU THE, THE NUMBERS.

AND AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE WITH THE CAPITAL BUDGET, UH, WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN I PROPOSE THE OPERATING BUDGET FOR ANY CHANGES YOU ALL WANT, THEN OBVIOUSLY EVEN AFTER WE PROPOSE IT, UH, IT'LL BE OUT THERE FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS.

UM, BUT THE STAFFS KIND OF FEELS LIKE WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF GIVEN YOU OUR BEST SHOT AT WHAT WE THINK IT OUGHT TO LOOK LIKE.

AND, UM, STATE LAW REQUIRES THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CERTIFY THAT THE C I P IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO THAT WILL BE FACTORED INTO THE SCHEDULE TOWARDS SPRING.

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SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

IT WAS, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

SO, UH, WE HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO GO QUICK, REAL QUICK.

UH, UH, ON THE PROJECTED CIP P DEBT SERVICE 24 29 CIP P SLIDE.

UH, EXPLAIN THE CUMULATIVE JOURNAL FUND IMPACT OF MINUS, UH, 200,000.

RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BLUE BELOW THE 13.7.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

F OKAY.

SECOND COLUMN, SECOND GENERAL FUND.

THAT MEANS THAT IN THE BUDGET I WILL BE RECOMMENDING AND YOU WILL BE CONSIDERING FOR NEXT YEAR.

I HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO'VE SIGNED UP FOR, UH, CITIZENS COMMENTS.

, UM, WE WILL NEED 200,000 LESS IN DEBT SERVICE THAN WE DID IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THIS YEAR.

JUST NEED TO SEE WHAT THAT MEANT.

UM, LOOKING AT THE TIME, IT'S REALLY TIME TO START THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, I HAVE, BUT I THINK BECAUSE IT WENT ALONG, I'M GOING TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT LESS AND

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

SO I'LL DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL LET EVERYTHING SLIDE INTO THE AFTER OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE BOARD'S COMMENTS WILL COME LAST.

SO I HAVE, UH, DANA HARO.

IS, IS DANA HARO HERE? HERE? OR AM I NOT PRONOUNCING THE NAME RIGHT? WHAT? DOUG.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO APPROVE THAT ONE.

YOU LOOK LIKE A DOCTOR.

I'M DOUG ALLRIGHT, DISTRICT ONE, AN ADDRESS OF THREE MARITA MINUTES.

PLEASE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

I'VE EMAILED YOU BACK IN OCTOBER, UH, EACH OF YOU, UH, ON THE TOPIC OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.

VEHICLE TAX.

UH, I WAS SURPRISED, SURPRISED AS AN UNDERSTATEMENT AT THE, UH, SIZE OF INCREASE THAT I WAS SEEING ON MY TWO VEHICLES IN THE YEAR.

36% ON ONE OF THEM, 24% ON THE OTHER.

I HAD THOUGHT PERHAPS ERRONEOUSLY THAT WE WERE GETTING A REBATE ON PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX THAT WOULD APPLY AGAINST DECEMBER BILLING.

SO WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS STILL PAYING A WHOPPING INCREASE, IT BOTHERED ME.

NOW I GOT A, A NOTE BACK FROM NEIL, MR. MORGAN, INDICATING THAT THE SURPLUS FROM THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR COULD ONLY BE APPLIED, UH, ON THE, UH, AS A CREDIT ON THE CURRENT YEAR.

SO WE HAD NO WAY OF GOING BACK AND ADJUSTING THE MAY UH, INCREASE THAT WE'D SEEN.

WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO IN, UH, AFFECT THE DECEMBER INCREASE THAT LEFT US WITH A SIZABLE INCREASE IN MAY THAT NEVER REALLY GOT REDUCED.

AFTER REVIEWING THAT, I WANTED TO DIVE INTO THAT TOPIC A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

AND I PUT TOGETHER THIS GRAPH THAT, THAT YOU EACH HAD A COPY OF, UH, ON YOUR TABLE.

AND IT'S, IT'S A COMPARISON OF PROPERTY TAX AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.

SO THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD, 21, 22, AND 23.

NOW, THE 21 AND 22 NUMBERS ARE THE ACTUAL REVENUES AS, UH, AS, UH, RECEIVED BY THE COUNTY.

AND THAT, UH, THOSE FIGURES PRESENTED TO ME BY MS. WHITAKER, THE 23 NUMBERS COME OUT OF OUR, UH, APPROVED OPERATING BUDGET.

I'LL BEGIN WITH THE PROPERTY TAX BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STORY.

THE BOARD AND THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THAT NUMBER HAS STAYED VERY CONSTANT BETWEEN THE 75 TO 77 MILLION RANGE OVER THE LAST THREE, THREE YEARS.

IT'S WELL MANAGED.

IT'S ABOUT 2% INCREASE A YEAR, AND YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING THAT.

AND IF, AND ESSENTIALLY MANAGING THE TAX AND THE TAX RATE SO THAT EVEN IF THERE'S BIG SWINGS AND ASSESSMENT VALUE, WE ARE CONSTANT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TAX WE PAY.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, WHICH IS THE BLUE GRAY BAR AT THE TOP, 17 MILLION IN 20 21, 22 0.8, ALMOST 23 MILLION IN 2022, AND FROM THE BUDGET YEAR 20, 23, 28 AND A HALF MILLION, THAT'S A 65% INCREASE OVER TWO YEARS.

NOW IN FAIRNESS, THE REBATE HAS TO COME OFF OF THAT.

SO THE 28.5 DROPS BACK TO ABOUT 25 MILLION IF YOU INCLUDE THE, UH, THE CREDIT THAT WAS RECEIVED IN DECEMBER BY THE TAXPAYERS.

BUT THAT'S STILL A 45% INCREASE.

I HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK WE NEED TO CARRY OVER THE REBATE INTO THE MAY JUNE PAYMENT.

SO THE REST OF THE 23 YEAR IS FLAT AGAINST THE 22 YEAR.

AND, AND THE, THE OTHER POINT I WOULD MAKE IS I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO TO A FLAT

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TAX.

BY THAT, I MEAN, GO BACK TO A TAX.

TAKE THE 21 VALUE OF, OF 17.25 MILLION.

SET THAT AS YOUR BASE.

MAKE A, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT NUMBER IF YOU NEED TO IN THE FUTURE, BUT SET THAT AS THE BASE AND HOLD YOUR TAXES FLAT AGAINST THAT, EVEN IF THE ASSESSED VALUES ON VEHICLES CLIMBS DRAMATICALLY.

I'D LIKE CAN TAKE THOSE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT.

AND THERE'S THAT ONE, AND I HAVE ONE MORE HERE.

IF I COULD FIND A PIECE OF PAPER.

HERE IT IS.

DANA.

THAT ONE.

OH, DEBBIE WELLESLEY.

WE GO.

AH-HUH.

DEBBIE, PLEASE.

FULL TEACHERS FULL NAME, HOPEFULLY ADDRESS.

HANDWRITING WAS GOOD.

THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING, MADAME CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS DEBORAH WESLEY, AND I LIVE AT 9 0 2 DARE ROAD, YORKTOWN, VIRGINIA.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE YORK EDUCATION ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS AN AFFILIATE OF THE VIRGINIA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION AND THE NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME IMPORTANT DATA POINTS ABOUT THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION BUDGET.

THE SOURCE OF THIS INFORMATION IS A REPORT TITLED VIRGINIA SCHOOL FUNDING INDICATORS 2020 AND 2021, PUBLISHED IN AUGUST OF THIS PAST YEAR, AND IT'S PUBLISHED BY THE VIRGINIA EDUCATION ASSOCIATION.

, YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS SPENDS $12,416 PER STUDENT OUT OF 132 SCHOOL DIVISIONS IN YORK ARE IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR YORK COUNTY RANKS 98TH.

THAT'S 98TH IN PER PUPIL EXPENDITURES.

UM, OUR LOCAL EXPENDITURES PER PUPIL ARE 4,380, WHICH GIVES US A RANKING OF 68TH IN THE STATE.

WE SPEND LESS PER PUPIL THAN OUR NEIGHBORS IN HAMPTON, NEWPORT NEWS, WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY COUNTY, AND GLOUCESTER.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE STATE GREATLY UNDERESTIMATES THE COST OF RUNNING A SCHOOL DIVISION, AND MOST LOCALITIES DO INVEST ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LOCAL REQUIRED MATCHING FUNDS.

YORK COUNTY INVESTS 74% ABOVE THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

HOWEVER, THE STATE AVERAGES 104, 105% WILLIAMSBURG, JAMES CITY, COUNTY, AND GLOUCESTER INVEST MORE LOCAL FUNDS THAN YORK COUNTY.

WE'VE SEEN ABOUT A 9% DROP IN LOCAL PER STUDENT SPENDING BETWEEN 2014 AND 2021.

YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION IS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING ENGAGING AND MEANINGFUL LEARNING EXPERIENCES.

TO DO THIS, WE NEED APPROPRIATE MONETARY SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION HAS THE SECOND LOWEST AVERAGE TEACHER SALARY AMONG OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE ARE RANKED 52ND IN THE STATE.

OUR AVERAGE TEACHER SALARY IN YORK COUNTY IS $7,781 BELOW THE STATE AVERAGE.

LET ME TELL YOU WHERE WE RANK HIGH, VERY HIGH.

OUR ON TIME GRADUATION RATE IS 98%.

WE RANK NINTH IN THE STATE FOR THAT.

A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, SEVEN 15.

, WE ALSO, AND THAT'S A GREAT STATISTIC.

WE ALSO HAVE CONSISTENTLY HIGHER TEST SCORES THAN MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS ALSO WONDERFUL.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLY HARDWORKING SCHOOL COMMUNITY, UM, AND TEACHERS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO VALUING AND SUPPORTING ALL OF OUR STUDENTS.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A NATIONAL TEACHER SHORT SHORTAGE, AND YORK COUNTY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ATTRACT AND RETAIN HIGHLY EFFECTIVE TALENT.

UM, SO PLEASE FUND OUR SCHOOLS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

THAT'S THE END OF THE ONES THAT I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE

[RECESS]

[2. Application No. UP-982-22, Jeanette B. Brady, Trustee. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-169 to authorize a major amendment of previously approved Special Use Permits to expand a Recreational Vehicle Storage Facility.]

WE'RE NOW BACK IN SESSION.

I'M GONNA CALL, UH, JEAN FOR BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH ONE 70, UH, APPLICATION TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A HAIR SALON SALON AS A HOME OCCUPATION AT 2 0 8 VINE DRIVE.

OH, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.

SORRY.

WELL, NO, THANK YOU.

THE NEXT ONE

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ON THE AGENDA IS ACTUALLY APPLICATION UP 9 82 DASH 22 EXPANDED VEHICLE STORAGE.

OH.

WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR, ALL RIGHT.

HANG ON A SECOND.

DID I LOSE A PAGE? NO.

RIGHT HERE.

AMY, I'M SORRY.

NO, YOU'VE GOT PAGES CONFUSED.

MY APOLOGIZES EVERYBODY.

GO ON.

I WAS GONNA GET TO GO HOME EARLY.

IS, APPLICA IS APPLICATION NUMBER UP 9 82 DASH 22.

UH, THIS IS A THREE PART APPLICATION.

IT IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR A RV STORAGE.

UM, EX EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING S U P FOR RV STORAGE FACILITY.

ANOTHER, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT TO ADD AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK SERVICE USE TO AN EXISTING AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK SALES BUSINESS.

AND A NEW, UH, NEW USE HEAVY TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT SALES RENTAL AND SERVICE AT 5 25 EAST ROW SHAMONE DRIVE.

THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL SUVS APPROVED OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, ZONING CHANGES OUT THERE.

SO, I WANNA TAKE A MINUTE JUST TO GO THROUGH THE, UM, ZONING BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY.

IN 1997, UH, THERE WAS AN SUV GRANTED FOR A CONTRACTOR SHOP AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT SERVICE AND REPAIR USE.

IN 2002, THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING AND, UH, STORAGE PAVED AND GRAVEL STORAGE AREA AND PARKING AREA WERE CONSTRUCTED.

IN 2010, THERE WAS A, UH, NEW U GRANTED FOR OLAND LIGHT TRUCK SALES AND SERVICE.

IN 2016, THERE WAS A, UH, CONTRACTOR'S SHOP USE WAS, WHICH BY THAT TIME WAS NON-CONFORMING.

IT WASN'T ALLOWED IN GB UH, ANYMORE.

IT WAS REPLACED BY A TOWING SERVICE AND AUTO IMPOUND YARD.

THE NON-CONFORMING PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOW FOR AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE TO BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING USE, PROVIDED THE NEW USES LESS INTENSIVE OR LESS NON-CONFORMING, IF YOU WILL, THAN EXISTING THAT SAME YEAR, 2016.

THERE ALSO WAS A USE PERMIT GRANTED FOR A RV STORAGE FACILITY WITH A MAXIMUM OF 40 STORAGE SPACES.

AND IN 20, UH, 18, THERE WAS, UH, MINOR, MINOR MODIFICATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE AUTO SALES TO EXPAND THE, UH, SALES DISPLAY AREA IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AND ALSO, UH, DISCONTINUE THE AUTO SERVICE, UH, PORTION OF THAT USE.

WHICH BRINGS US TO TODAY CURRENT PERMITTED USES AUTO AND L AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK SALES WITHOUT SERVICE, UH, LIGHT TRUCKS BEING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, UH, TRUCK WEIGHTS.

AND I GAVE YOU A CHART OF THAT.

ANYTHING 10,000 POUND LIMIT OR LESS RV STORAGE FOR UP TO 40 SPACES, PROVIDED THEY YET AN APPROVED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS IN THE WORKS AND THE LAWFUL NONCONFORMING TOWING AN IMPOUND YARD, WHICH IS LIMITED TO AN OFFICE IN THE BUILDING AND OUTSIDE PARKING AND STORAGE AREA, EQUIVALENT TO 18 COMMERCIAL SPACES.

THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN THE SUBJECT OF ZONING VIOLATION, NOTICES FOR ESTABLISHING THE RV STORAGE USE WITHOUT THE SITE PLAN, WHICH, UM, THE APPLICANTS IN THE WORKS OF GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

ALSO A, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE DETAILING BUSINESS ON SITE, UH, WHICH IS MOTOR VEHICLE SERVICE THAT THEY NEED AN S U P FOR.

UM, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME VIOLATIONS OF, UH, HEAVY TRUCKING EQUIPMENT, SALES AND STORAGE OUT THERE.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN APPRISED THAT THAT'S NOT PERMITTED WITHOUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL RESOLVE ALL THOSE VIOLATION ISSUES.

, THE VICINITY MAP OF THE AREA, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED.

DOUBLE FRONTED LOT, UH, ON EAST ROW, SHAMBO ON THE EAST SIDE AND OAK TREE ON THE WEST SIDE TO THE NORTH.

UM, THERE IS A EXISTING TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER OTHER THAN THAT, THAT, THAT PROPERTY IS VACANT.

VACANT LAND TO THE SOUTH, AND THREE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ACROSS OAKTREE ROAD TO THE EAST ACROSS RO SHAMBO IS THE I 64 ENT MILL, UH, FENTANYL ROAD, RIGHT OF WAYS.

THAT, THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS GB GENERAL BUSINESS ACROSS OAK TREE ROAD AND ACROSS, UH, BEYOND FE MILL ROAD IS, UH, RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING EO, UH, THE PURPLE IS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

, AND THEN VACANT LAND.

BEYOND

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AND THAT IS THE, UH, GREAT WOLF LODGE.

THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

GREAT WOLF LODGE .

UM, IN THE, IN THE PURPLE AREA, THE PROPERTY IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THE TOURISTS CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT.

UM, EAST ROW SHAMBO WAS INCLUDED IN THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT IN 2010.

SO THE SITE IS LAWFULLY NONCONFORMING WITH RESPECT TO PROVISIONS OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MONUMENT SIGNAGE, UH, LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF FENCING, AND, UH, SCREENING, TOTAL SCREENING OF THE STORAGE AREA FROM EAST CEBO.

AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MOMENT.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY FOR GENERAL BUSINESS.

THIS AN AERIAL VIEW PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE.

YOU CAN SEE THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER THERE.

AND JUST NOTE, THERE IS A PRETTY HEAVILY WOODED AREA SURROUNDING THE SITE, EXCEPT FOR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE DRIVEWAY OUT TO, UH, ROK.

AND THIS IS A, A CLOSE UP.

YOU SEE THE TOWER THERE AND MM-HMM.

, THE RVS THAT ARE BEING STORED ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE AREA.

THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH OR EAST DOWN.

EAST CEBO APPLICANT'S PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT OPPOSITE DIRECTION, LOOKING TOWARD, UH, GREAT, GREAT WOLF LODGE.

AND FROM THE DRIVEWAY, LOOKING ACROSS THE CARS, YOU SEE THERE ARE, ON I 64, I MENTIONED THE NONCONFORMING SIGN.

UM, CURRENT REGULATIONS WOULD REQUIRE A MONUMENT STYLE SIGN IF THEY WERE TO COME IN NEW, SO THAT IF IN THE FUTURE THEY WANNA COM, UH, REPLACE THE SIGN STRUCTURE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MONUMENT, BUT OTHERWISE THEY CAN KEEP THE SIGN AS IS.

IS THIS LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THE WALMART TRACTOR TRAILER BODY, YOU SEE THERE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

IT HAS BEEN REMOVED.

THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT CATEGORY.

UM, CUSTOMER PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN SALES DISPLAY AREA TO THE LEFT IS JUST ANOTHER SITE BEYOND THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE SALES DISPLAY.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A EXPANSION.

RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE PARKING PLACES, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION OUT TO THE, THE LEFT, TO THE CURBING THERE AND, AND BACK.

AS FAR AS THE FENCE THAT YOU SEE THERE, JUST LOOKING, UH, THROUGH THE FRONT GATE TOWARD THE BACK, THIS CELL PARKING WOULD BE FOR SERVICE AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, YOU GOT FIVE BAY DOORS.

THERE WOULD BE A WASH AREA FOR VEHICLES.

IT'S PART OF THE SERVICE USE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT ON A SKETCH PLAN.

THIS IS, UH, STANDING KIND OF NEXT TO THE BUILDING, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, LOOKING TOWARD THE OAK TREE ROAD FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, THE PAVED AREAS DESIGNATED FOR TOWING AND THE CROSSING THE GRAVEL AREA, UM, SHOULD BE RV STORAGE ALONG THAT SIDE.

, AND THERE'S SOME OF THE RVS THAT WERE OUT THERE LOOKING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

RV STORAGE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION, UM, OF THE RV STORAGE AREA, UH, ON THE LEFT.

AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE EQUIPMENT, HEAVY EQUIPMENT STORAGE, PROB ABOUT WHERE THAT WHITE CAR IS PARKED, THAT, THAT IS PROPOSED.

AND UP AT NEXT TO THE BUILDING, UM, PROPOSING CONSTRUCTION, UH, EQUIPMENT AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.

AND THEN RVS BEYOND THAT, AND THIS IS LOOKING OUT TOWARD THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU NOTICE THE GATE, THERE IS CHAIN LINK WITH, UH, TENNIS COURT MATERIAL THERE.

UM, WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THAT BE A SOLID OPAQUE, AND THAT THAT WOULD BE IN, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOURIST CORRIDOR OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS STANDING ON OAKTREE, LOOKING IN THE FURTHEST BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

THE, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.

YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE EQUIP, UH, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, ONLY BECAUSE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS SUCH THAT THE DEFENSE IS DOWN BELOW THE ROADWAY.

BUT ONCE YOU GET OVER TO WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, IT'S, IT'S UP ABOVE.

SO YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BETTER SCREENING DRIVEWAYS YOU SEE THERE ARE FOR THOSE HOUSES.

, UM, TWO HOUSES WITH A JOINT DRIVEWAY, UH, AND THEN A THIRD HOUSE NEXT TO THAT.

UM, PROPERTY BOUNDARIES ARE THE DASH BLUE LINE EXISTING ON THE SITE IS 6,625 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE AND SERVICE BUILDING, EXISTING PAVED AND GRAVEL AREAS SURROUNDING THAT.

, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN.

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AND THERE IS, UH, NO EXPANSION PROPOSED FOR ANY OF THE PARKING OR BUILDING, UM, OR, UM, STORAGE AREA OUT THERE.

EXISTING SOLID BOARD FENCE ALL THE WAY ACROSS OAK TREE ROAD AND ACROSS THE FRONT PORTION OF THE, THE STORAGE AREA.

, AND AS YOU NOTICED FROM THE AERIALS, IS PRETTY MUCH HEAVILY WOODED SURROUNDING, EXCEPT FOR RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

AND THERE ALREADY IS A, UH, 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, UH, ALONG OAKTREE ROAD, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR EARLIER SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

AND THAT'LL BE MAINTAINED WHAT IS PROPOSED ON THE SITE.

ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UH, IN FRONT OF THE FENCE AND IN FRONT OF THE, UH, FRONT PARKING AREA THERE.

THAT WILL BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH TOURIST QUARTER OVER, UH, OVERLAY PROVISIONS CHANGES, UH, WITHIN THE EXISTING GRAVEL.

THEY'RE EXPANDING, AS I NOTED OUT FRONT, THE DISPLAY AREA FOR, UM, SALES OF VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

TWO STORAGE AREAS FOR HEAVY TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT ON EITHER END IN THE BACK.

AND THEN A, UH, EXPANSION OF 10 SPACES, 10 ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR THE RV STORAGE IN THE BACK.

, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, UM, REQUIRING A EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE IN THE FENCE BEHIND THERE.

THE, UH, ONLY HYDRANT IS THERE ON OAKTREE ROAD THAT SERVES, SERVES THE FACILITY.

SO THERE WOULD BE A, UM, A GATE THERE FOR THEM TO ACCESS THE HYDRANT FROM INSIDE AND TWO SPACES WOULD BE DEDICATED AS A FIRE LENGTH.

ON THE INSIDE FENCE, UH, FENCING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AS AN ODA WOULD BE SOLID, OPAQUE INSTEAD OF, UH, CHAIN LINK WITH CLOTH.

AND BEHIND THE BUILDING WOULD BE A, UH, MOBILE WASH AREA.

BASICALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE, UM, REMOVABLE, UM, COLLECTION BOOMS, BASICALLY LIKE YOU DO WITH THE OIL SPILL.

UH, OR AROUND THERE.

THEY WOULD WASH THAT, AND THEN THE WATER WOULD BE VACUUMED.

AND THERE'S A, UH, RECYCLED A TANK.

THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF REPAIRS, OIL CHANGES, BRAKES, NOTHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD BE EMPTIED OVER BY THE DUMPSTER IN THE BACK.

THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S FLOOR PLAN INCLUDES 806 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICES, FOUR OFFICES UP FRONT, 546 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL AND SHOWROOM FOR THE, UM, DETAILING BUSINESS.

AND THEN 4,364 SQUARE FEET OF SERVICE AREA FOR, UH, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

THAT WOULD BE THE DETAILING BUSINESS.

THERE'S NO EXPANSION TO THE BUILDING PROPOSED.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE SOME OF THE INTERIOR WALLS TO EXPAND SOME OF THE SERVICE SPACE.

THIS IS A PARKING AND STORAGE ALLOCATION PLAN.

THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT BUILDING, UH, USES OUT THERE.

WE WANTED TO SET SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OFFICIAL, UH, FOR RECORD AS TO WHO WAS GONNA PARK AND STORE THINGS.

WHERE THE LIGHT GREEN UP FRONT WOULD BE THE SALES DISPLAY AREA FOR VEHICLES, TRUCKS, EQUIPMENT, RVS, BOATS.

THE DARKER GREEN WOULD BE SALES AND SERVICE PARKING.

UM, FOR ALL THE, FOR THE, UM, TRUCK AND EQUIPMENT, SALES AND SERVICE CARS WAITING, OR VEHICLES WAITING FOR SERVICE WOULD BE BEHIND THE GATE.

WITHIN THE, UH, STORAGE AREA.

THE BLUE IS THE RV STORAGE, INCLUDING 10 EXTRA SPACES ACROSS THE TOP.

AND THEN THE BROWN EQUIPMENT STORAGE AND THE TOWING.

AND, UH, IMPOUND AREA IS THE BROWN IN THE CORNER.

THERE'S, UH, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.

THEY'RE MAKING, THEY AREN'T MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THAT.

AND THIS IS REFERENCED IN ONE OF THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS.

STAFF DOESN'T FEEL TRAFFIC WILL BE AN ISSUE OUT THERE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS.

THE AVERAGE VEHICLE TRIP GENERATION FOR THE, UH, COMBINATION OF USES WOULD BE 96 AVERAGE WEEKDAY TRIPS.

UH, THE APPLICANT'S ESTIMATE FOR THE PARTICULAR TENANTS OUT HERE IS ABOUT 25, WHICH IS PROBABLY FOR THESE TENANTS MORE ACCURATE.

EAST RO SHAMBO DRIVE, ACCORDING TO VDOT STUDIES, UH, CARRIES AN AVERAGE VEHICLE, UH, COUNT OF 9,300 VEHICLES.

SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS.

PROPOSED APPROVAL CONDITIONS, PARKING AND STORAGE AND DISPLAY AREA SALES DISPLAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIAL USE PERMIT PLANS.

AND THE, UH, MM-HMM.

ALLOCATION PLAN SERVICE USE WOULD BE LIMITED TO DETAILING, SO

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IT WOULD STRICTLY BE DETAILING, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE.

O OPAQUE FENCING.

ACROSS THE MAIN DRIVEWAY.

THERE IS A PRIVATE WELL IN SEPTIC SYSTEM, SO WE WOULD REQUIRE CERTIFICATION OF THE ADEQUACY OF THOSE SYSTEMS. MM-HMM.

, UH, DURING SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE GATE AND OAKTREE ROAD FENCING, AS I MENTIONED, ADEQUATE ONSITE EMERGENCY VEHICLE AND APPARATUS ACCESS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS IN THE BUILDING, AND A HAZARD MATERIALS CONTINGENCY PLAN.

IN CONCLUSION, WE WOULD FIND THAT IT, THE PROPOSED USES, GIVEN THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS, DO CONFORM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GB DISTRICT, WHICH INDICATES THAT DISTRICT IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUPPLYING GOODS OR SERVICES FOR A COMMUNITY OR REGIONAL MARKET.

THERE, UM, THERE HAS BEEN LONG-TERM SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES HERE, SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

ALL THE EXPANSIONS WILL BE ACCOMMODATED, ACCOMMODATED ON EXISTING GRAVEL AND PAVED AREAS.

UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL NEW LANDSCAPING TO MEET, UH, TOURIST COURT CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

STORED STORAGE WOULD BE COMPLETELY SCREENED BY FENCING IN, UH, WOODED AREAS.

PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 1 69.

AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

I WAS UP THERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AND WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE HEAVILY VEGETATED, UH, AREAS, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING IN ADDITION TO, FOR SOME SCREENING? I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT UPFRONT THAT YOU WANTED, I MEAN, I, I COULDN'T SEE IT.

AND BY THE TIME YOU GET PAST IT WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, A DIRT MOUND.

WE'RE NOT, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE BACK THERE, JUST IN THE FRONT, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

SO TO MAKE THE, ALONG THE, TO MAKE THE FENCING THERE WHEN THEY COME IN TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE ATTRACTIVE.

AND THAT WOULD ALSO, UH, OVERLAY BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT.

LANSKY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JESS? YEP.

UH, GOOD REVIEW.

YOU ANSWERED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS I HAD, UM, EXCEPT THAT ONE LAST WARNING CAME UP, CUZ I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS GATE.

IS THAT FOR VEHICLES OR IS THIS JUST FOR PERSONS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE FIRE HYDRANT FIRE? THE VEHICLES WILL BE INSIDE THE, THE, THE, UH, FENCED IN AREA.

IT'S JUST SO THAT THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO THE HYDRANT.

SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO DRIVE IN THAT WAY.

JUST NEED TO GET OUT TO DO IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M LISTENING TO THIS.

THE ONE, THERE'S KIND OF A COUPLE THINGS THAT HIT ME.

UH, THE VERY FIRST THING WAS THAT THERE'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS HERE FOR 30 YEARS.

TYPICAL THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU CAN, YOU'RE PROTECTED FROM COMPLAINTS AND WHATEVER.

OVER 30 YEARS, SOMEWHERE AROUND NOW.

I THOUGHT THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S JUST REALLY NICE.

UM, AND ANOTHER THING THAT KIND OF, THAT IS JUST I'M STRUGGLING WITH SOMEWHAT IS THE, UH, APPEARS TO BE CONSTANT VIOLATIONS SOMEWHERE IN HERE, THIS KIND OF PERCOLATE.

NOW, IS THIS, ARE, ARE WE SLOWLY SHOEHORNING A BUSINESS INTO THIS THING THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE? UH, THAT IT'S GONE FROM MAYBE ILLEGALLY? WHAT IS IT LEGALLY CONFORMING OR ILLEGALLY CONFORMING, OR NOT CONFORMING? WHAT, WHAT'S THE, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.

WHY DID WE END UP ON ALL THESE, THESE SUPPLEMENTS AND VIOLATIONS? IS THIS KIND OF A TEST? SEE HOW FAR WE'LL GO WITH THIS? THERE'S BEEN A SERIES OF CHANGING USES RIGHT OUT THERE.

YOU STARTED OUT WITH THE CONTRACTOR SHOP THAT WAS BASICALLY A, UH, YARD WASTE RECYCLING AND MULCH OPERATION.

UM, THE SALES OPERATION THERE, THE, THE AMENDMENT THAT I MENTIONED FOR THE VEHICLE SALES OPERATION THAT ORIGINALLY HAD SERVICE WITH IT, BUT IT CHANGED HANDS.

THE NEW PERSON, UH, WASN'T DOING ANY SERVICE.

SO THAT WHEN WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR MORE SALES AREA OUT FRONT, THERE WAS A DISCONTINUANCE OF THE SERVICE.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO COME IN AND GET THIS.

BUT YEAH, THE, THERE'S A DETAILING BUSINESS OUT THERE THAT HAS, OKAY.

SO, SO THE OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT STAND OUT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UM, A A, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON MM-HMM.

IN THERE, UM, THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON OVER TIME.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WALMART, UH, TRAILER PARKED OUT FRONT, STUFF LIKE THAT.

UM, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, BUT, BUT WHAT REALLY STANDS OUT IS THAT WE HAVE THIS TREMENDOUS SCREENING OF WOODS AROUND THE OPERATION, WHICH MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, IS VERY KIND OF, TO ME IS

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SO IN THE END HERE, WHEN WE WITH THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE NOT GONNA END UP WITH A JUNKYARD THERE ARE WE? NO.

NO.

WELL, HOW DO WE END UP WITH ALL WE GOT THERE RIGHT NOW? OKAY.

SO, UM, I CAN ONLY ANSWER THAT IN THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE TENANTS HAVE BEEN WELL COUNSELED ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED OUT THERE.

SO THIS, THIS SUPPLEMENT THAT WE'RE WON'T BE ANYMORE WALMART TRAILERS OUT THERE UNLESS FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE FOR SALE AND THEN ONLY IN THE CORNER OF THE FRONT.

SO, SO, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, CUZ THIS HAS BEEN A LOT OF SUPPLEMENTS OVER THE YEAR, UM, THE, UM, AND IT, AND, AND IN FUTURE THEY WANT TO, MAY, THEY MAY WANT TO EXPAND OR MODIFY, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THAT'S ALL GOOD AND FINE.

THEY JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.

BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE AN ACCOUNT THAT WE ARE ONE IN A TOURIST OVERLAY AREA.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE.

WE DID THAT ON PURPOSE FOR A REASON, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, AND THIS IS NOT A TOURISTY KIND OF BUSINESS, UH, BUT IT'S FINE.

IT'S A LEGAL BUSINESS.

IF WE CAN WE GET THROUGH THIS? THIS IS ZONING, UM, WITH THE SUB.

SO IS THIS SUB COMING UP FOR APPROVAL AGAIN AND ANY TIME OR IS THIS JUST GONNA STAY WHAT WE PROVE HERE, AND THIS IS, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW IT.

I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR FUTURE PLANS ARE, BUT I CAN SAY, AND PART OF THE REASON WE ARE RECOMMENDING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING ANYTHING.

AND WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT REVIEW OF SUP.

SO ONCE WE CAN, WE REVOKE THE SUP, IF THERE'S A VIOLATION, CONTINUE VIOLATIONS, THIS CLEANS IT UP, I HOPE.

WELL, IF, IF YOU APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS REALLY A LOT OF THE MAIN PART OF THE VIOLATIONS OF THE TRACTOR TRAILER BODIES, THAT WILL BE ALLOWED OUT THERE.

IF THE S U IS APPROVED, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, AMY, THAT'S NOT MY, MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS THAT WE, WE, WE APPROVE A, A SUPPLE, UH, UH, A U FOR THIS.

AND, AND, AND, AND OVER.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THIS.

THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW AS YOU BRIEFED, UH, BRIEFED US MM-HMM.

AND THE POINT IS THEN WE END UP, OCCASIONALLY WE'LL END UP WITH A VIOLATION OR SO WE CAN RUN OUT THERE AND SAY, OKAY, KNOCK IT OFF.

BUT WHAT'S THE REPERCUSSIONS OF NOT KNOCKING IT OFF OTHER THAN MAYBE GETTING CITED OR THE FACT THAT THE SUB GETS WITHDRAWN, WE ISSUE VIOLATION NOTICES.

IF THEY GET IGNORED, THEN IT GOES TO COURT.

I KNOW, AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CASES IN COURT, WE CAN EITHER, I MEAN, WE CAN IMPOSE FINE OR WELL, I MEAN, SOME OF THE CASES WE MODIFY SUPPLEMENTS I I, YEAH.

OR SUBS SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT THEY CAN BE REVIEWED.

UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING THIS ONE HERE.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE ISSUE THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM.

ONCE IT'S, ONCE IT'S THERE, WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, GOOD, THAT'S, THERE IT IS.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

BUT IF A VI CONTINUOUS VIOLATIONS OF IT, THEN CAN WE NOT PULL THAT, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT BACK? I WOULD ASK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS THAT.

I SUPPOSE IT COULD BE REVOKED, BUT NORMALLY WE GO THROUGH A, UM, PROCESS WHEREBY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CORRECT WHATEVER IS WRONG.

AND THAT GOES FOR ANY, ANY PROPERTY WITH VIOLATIONS.

RIGHT? NOW, WE'VE, WE'VE PROVED SOME, WE'VE PROVED SPECIAL USE PERMITS IN HERE WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE MADE IT CONTINGENT ON THE OWNER BEING ON THE PROPERTY.

WE'VE MM-HMM.

AND I THINK SOME OTHERS WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

AND, AND ALL SPECIAL USE PERMITS ONCE THEY'RE APPROVED, UM, ARE ZONING, UH, AND COMPLIANCE DIVISION GOES OUT ONCE A YEAR MM-HMM.

AND DOES A SITE INSPECTION OF ALL THOSE, UH, U PROPERTIES FOR COMPLIANCE.

MY UNDERSTANDING QUESTION THAT THE ATTORNEY IS THAT IT WOULD, WOULD, IS THERE AN, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR US TO WITHDRAW A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IF VIOLATIONS CONTINUE? SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE CONTINGENT ON THEM, COMPLYING WITH THE CONDITIONS OF OKAY.

IF THEY STOP, WE CAN PULL IT.

I JUST, I'M PUTTING THIS OUT THERE BECAUSE IN A SENSITIVE AREA, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I'M EXCITED OF THE FACT THAT THE BUSINESS IS BEING SUCCESSFUL.

THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF BEING SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S NOT UPSETTING US, REALLY.

AND IT'S NOT UPSETTING THE NEIGHBORS.

BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE, THE FACT THAT IT'S GOT ALL THAT GREENERY AROUND IT AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.

AND WE WANNA SEE THE BUSINESS SUCCEED, BUT CONTINUOUS CONTINUED VIOLATIONS ARE A PROBLEM.

SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM.

, UH, IT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES, TIMES DOES THIS GUY, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY COME BACK TO US? OKAY.

THE BOARD IS

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SO I WANT HIM TO SUCCEED, BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO COME A NUISANCE.

YOU FINISH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH WITH THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK.

I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION HERE, SHEILA, FROM OKAY, WELL, I, YOU CAN ASK THE QUE WELL, HE HAD THE QUESTION DURING THE TIME WHEN THE STAFF IS, WELL, YOU TALKED SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD A QUESTION.

WOULD YOU LISTEN QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

JUST A, JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP TO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT A GROWTH OF A, OF A JUNKYARD THERE.

WHEN DOES, SINCE THIS A, HAS A LOT OF STORAGE, VEHICLE STORAGE AS A SERVICE, WHEN DOES A STORED VEHICLE TURNS INTO AN ABANDONED VEHICLE? AND WHAT, WHEN IT IS INOPERATIVE? WHAT'S THAT? WHEN IT'S INOPERATIVE.

SO, AND, AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S NO LONGER A STORED VEHICLE? IT'S AN ABANDONED VEHICLE.

DOES THE OWNER RESPONSIBILITY TO GET RID OF IT? DO, DO THE COUNTY, DOES THE COUNTY NEED TO STEP IN? WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT SITUATION? UM, IF IT TURNS INTO A SALVAGE YARD OR A JUNKYARD, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, INOPERATIVE VEHICLES OR EQUIPMENT, THEN THEY COULD GET CITED FOR HAVING A, A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.

SO THEY NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO, IF THE FIND OUT THAT THE VEHICLE THEY HAD STORED THERE HAS NOW BEEN ABANDONED, THEY'LL, THEY NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON GETTING THAT VEHICLE OFF PROPERTY.

IT JUST CAN'T, THEY CAN HAVE VEHICLES THERE TEMPORARILY AS PART OF THE TOWING BUSINESS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, TOWED VEHICLES, BUT YEAH.

BUT I CAN IMAGINE THAT IN SOME CASES PEOPLE DROP A VEHICLE OFF, DECIDE IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR TIME AND EFFORT ANYMORE AND JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT, IN WHICH CASE THE OWNERS WILL THEN NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT VEHICLE THAT THEY JUST CAN'T LEAVE THE, WELL BELIEVE THE LIMIT'S 90 DAYS.

THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION.

THANKS.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

YOU HAVE, YOU CAN MY UP TO 10 MINUTES IF YOU REALLY WANT IT.

HOPEFULLY I WON'T NEED 10 MINUTES.

MY NAME IS BLAIR WILSON AND I AM, UH, THE ENGINEER THAT, UH, JEANETTE BRADY RETAINED TO ASSIST HER WITH THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND PREPARATION OF THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT.

I HAVE ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS SITE SINCE 1997 FOR THE BRADY'S.

SO TO ANSWER MR. SHEPHERD'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY VIOLATIONS AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.

THIS BUILDING IS, IS A TENANT OCCUPIED BUILDING, AND AS TENANTS CHANGE, THERE IS A NEED FOR NEW SPECIAL USE PERMITS SO THAT THOSE TENANTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE MM-HMM.

WITH THE COUNTY ZONING.

SO SOME OF THESE VIOLATIONS, UH, THAT, UH, EXISTED HISTORICALLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A LAWN CARE BUSINESS THAT WAS OPERATING OUT OF THIS FACILITY VIOLATION NOTICE WAS ISSUED PART OF THAT, IN ORDER TO CORRECT THAT VIOLATION, A SITE PLAN HAD TO BE SUBMITTED AND THE SPECIFIC ZONING ISSUES, THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WOULD, WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO BRING THAT TENANT INTO COMPLIANCE.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO KEEP UP WITH THESE CHANGES IN TENANT USE SO THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS FAR AS WHEN A, WHEN A VIOLATION NOTICE IS ISSUED TO THIS CLIENT, UH, THEY DO HAVE US REVISE SITE PLANS, SUBMIT THOSE TO THE COUNTY.

SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS COUNTY PROCESS MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS, THIS OWNER IS, UM, CREATING VIOLATIONS OR, OR VIOLATING HER ORDINANCE INTENTIONALLY? NO.

UM, I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU MIND GIVING ME YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? OH, UH, MY OFFICE ADDRESS IS 35 60 KING WILLIAM AVENUE, WEST POINT, VIRGINIA.

SO THE, THE TENANT, UH, IS, IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT THAT COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOWING OPERATION.

THE STORAGE OF THOSE, THOSE VEHICLES THAT THEY PICK UP OFF OF 64, UH, ARE ONLY THERE TEMPORARILY UNTIL EITHER THE, THEY ARE DELIVERED TO A, UH, JUNKYARD, JUNKYARD OR SOME OTHER FACILITY.

SO IT IS NOT GONNA TURN INTO A JUNKYARD.

UH, THAT'S NOT THE, THE OWNER'S DESIRE, NOR IS THAT IN THE INTEREST OF THE TENANT'S OPERATION TO HAVE JUNK VEHICLES ON THAT SITE TAKEN UP SPACE.

UH, WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WAS UP HERE, WAS THIS THE SAME TENANT THAT WE GRANTED SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR? UH, IT WAS A 2016.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

IS THIS THE SAME TENANT THAT IN JULY OF 2016,

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2016.

UH, THAT WAS FOR THE RV STORAGE? YES.

NOW THAT IS ACTUALLY THE OWNER OKAY.

OF THE BUSINESS.

AND YES, THEY ARE THE SAME.

THEY, THEY ARE ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION FOR 10 ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR RVS.

AND SO THE, THE APPLICANT WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, WHO IS THAT? UH, WELL, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING, BUT TENANTS, UH, THE TENANTS, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

THE WHEEL WIZARD TOWING WHEEL WIZARD DETAILING, AND THE V HCS, UH, AUTO SALES ARE HERE.

SO WE'VE GOT A CO-MINGLING OF THE OWNER AND THE TENANT WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESS.

AND IT'S THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO OBTAIN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE.

OH, WAIT.

AMEN.

OH, WE GOT ONE FOR THIS ONE.

GOT THREE OF THEM IN YOUR BOARD.

WELL, THIS IS FOR NUMBER TWO.

MAX BOOTH, OR NO, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? BORSCH.

I'M WITH TOM SHEPHERD ON THIS ISSUE.

SO I'M A RESIDENT AT 30 33 OAK THREE ROAD.

ON THE SLIDE YOU SAW I HAVE A, UH, ROCKS ON MY DR.

REPRO DRIVE.

SO WHILE IT'S SUBJECT IS, UM, FRESH, THE CELL TOWER HAS A, UH, MAINTENANCE ENTRANCE ON OAKTREE ROAD.

IT'S NOT MAINTAINED.

AND JUST RECENTLY THEY DID MAINTENANCE ON THE TOWER.

THEY PULL UP TWO, I DON'T KNOW, 500 FOOT CRANES BLOCK OUR ROAD, NO FLAGS, NO POLICE DRAGGED THE CABLE ACROSS THE ROAD.

JUST LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE STREET.

IF IN A PROPOSED EMERGENCY ENTRANCE, UH, AGAIN ON OAK TREE ROAD, YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE, YOU REMEMBER THERE WAS A FOUR FOOT BUFFER, AND THERE'S IN THE HYDROGEN, THEN YOU LOOK AT THE FENCE, IT'S ABOUT 10, MAYBE 10 FEET, 12 FEET LONG.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA ACCESS, BUT IN OTHER, FOR US AS A RESIDENCE, IT'LL BE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE ON OUR ROAD THAT HIGHLIGHTED NEED TO BE MAINTAINED BECAUSE A CELL CELL TOWER PEOPLE, THEY, THEY DON'T MAINTAIN THAT.

AND YOU CAN DRIVE.

RIGHT NOW, THEY BRING TRASH, TRAFFIC AND, AND OTHER THINGS.

SO I A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT WAS NICE TO SEE, UM, THE SLIDES, UH, FOR, UH, REPRESENTATION.

SO TAKE MY TIME JUST TO ADDRESS ON THE SLIDE, FROM 1997 UNTIL 2016, WE WEREN'T THERE.

WE DIDN'T BUILD THE HOUSES, WE DIDN'T ENJOY THE PRIVACY AND BOUGHT THE LAND FOR THAT REASON.

OKAY? SO UNTIL THEN, PERHAPS IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL HAVING THAT BUSINESS AND HAVING ALL THESE DIFFERENT TENANTS.

RIGHT? NOW, YOU LOOK AT PAUL AND JACKIE, THEY ARE REALLY DIRECTLY AGAINST THAT, UH, AGAINST THAT BUSINESS.

AND, UH, SO AS WE ARE, AND, UH, TO ADDRESS, I WANT, I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW I SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

I, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW ANY TROUBLE? I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD TO REALLY MAYBE NOT STRICT WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT REALLY KEEP AN EYE ON IT BECAUSE YOU DRIVE ON RO SHABO, THAT PROPERTY IS LIKE A FORTRESS IS DIFFERENT.

IF YOU LOOK, WE HAVE A EUROPEAN CAR DEALERSHIP THAT'S MANICURE LOANS.

I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING.

YOU GOT BARBECUE'S, BARBECUE.

IT'S A STATE OF THE ART PLACE.

PLEASE KEEP IT CLEAN AND QUIET AND, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU MR. WASHER.

KEEP, KEEP US IN MIND AS WELL.

AND YOU LIVE AT 30 33 OAK TREE ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

UH, MR. WELLS AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING.

UH, 4 0 5 OAK TREE ROAD OAK.

UM, SO I'VE

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LIVED THERE SINCE 2018.

MY MAIN ISSUES AND CONCERNS IS TWOFOLD.

UH, SAFETY, VICTIM, MICROPHONE, SAFETY AND, UH, COMPLIANCE.

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE SEEN FROM THE SLIDES THAT A COMPLIANCE EVENT HAD BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THIS PROPERTY ALREADY.

UM, THE WALMART TRAILERS SAT THERE FOR ABOUT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.

IT WAS BROKEN HALF, SO IT WASN'T THERE IN SERVICEABLE CONDITION.

UM, EVERYBODY WHO LIVED AROUND THERE SAW IT.

UM, AS MAX WAS SAYING, OAKTREE ROAD BECOMES KIND OF A DRAG STRIP.

WE ALREADY HAVE THREE CAR DEALERSHIPS THERE.

ONE WHICH I AND MAX HAVE CAUGHT.

THE FORD DEALERSHIP DOING TEST DRIVES, ESPECIALLY OUT OF SERVICE.

ANYBODY WHO CAN DRIVE DOWN OAK TREE ROAD SEES THE RUBBER THAT'S LAID DOWN THE ROAD.

SO, AS LONG AS SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE ARE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY, UM, AGAIN, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF, WE LIKE THE BUSINESS.

BUT TO, UH, MR. SHEPHERD'S POINT, ONCE COMPLIANCE IS NOT MAINTAINED, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT BORDER OF, OF TREES THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE BY, BY, UH, COUNTY CODE ONCE TO STOP THE LOCAL RESIDENT FROM CUTTING IT DOWN.

IF THAT ONE IS VIOLATED.

SPECIFICALLY, IT TAKES 30 YEARS TO COM TO COMPLY WITH AGAIN.

AND THEN FOR 30 YEARS, THE RESIDENTS ARE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD TURN INTO A JUNK YARD.

UM, BUT AS LONG AS SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE ARE MAINTAINED, THEN, YOU KNOW, WISH 'EM THE BEST OF LUCK.

BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY CAN, UH, COME TO SOME AGREEMENTS FOR THAT.

AND, UH, JONATHAN WILSON.

I'M ALREADY SPOKEN.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD CARE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT? YES, MA'AM.

SO, NOPE.

MICROPHONE PLEASE.

NAME AND NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UM, IS SHANNON MAC CARIO.

AND I'M AT 3 0 2 COLONY TRAIL IN LENEXA.

AND I AM THE OWNER, UM, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE TOWING BUSINESS.

AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE, UM, THE AUTO SALES BUSINESS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST COMMENT, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT OUR INTENTIONS AT ALL FOR IT TO BE A JUNKYARD.

UM, WE ACTUALLY PRIDE OURSELVES ON DETAILING AND HAVING STUFF LOOK GOOD.

I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A WALMART CONTAINER THAT WAS THERE THAT WAS FROM OUR TOWING BUSINESS.

UM, IT DID GET STUCK WITH US FOR A LITTLE LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

USUALLY IF WE TOW SOMETHING IN, WE ANTICIPATE IT TO BE THERE TWO TO THREE DAYS.

UM, WE DO HAVE A SECONDARY LOT NOW, SO THAT IF WE DO, AS YOU WOULD SAY, GET STUCK WITH IT UP TO 90 DAYS, AS MS. PARKER WOULD SAY, WE DO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT IF NECESSARY, IF IT BE GOES BEYOND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY.

UM, WE, FOR THE, THE REAR EXIT FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN ACCESS GATE FOR ANYBODY TO BE COMING IN AND OUT EVER.

SO THERE SHOULD BE NO, UNLESS THERE'S A HUGE FIRE AND THE THEY NEED TO CUT IN TO GET BACK TO THOSE HOUSES BACK THERE MM-HMM.

OR THERE'S A FIRE IN OURS.

I DON'T SEE THAT GATE EVER BEING OPENED UNLESS FOR MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT IT IS NOT OUR INTENTIONS AT ALL.

UM, AND THAT WE DO PRIDE OURSELVES ON TAKING CARE AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH ANYTHING THAT THE RESIDENTS BEHIND US NEED.

ALL THREE EXTRA MINUTES.

I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS? MAKE A MO MO MOTION ON MOVE IT.

I MOVE.

THE MOTION IS R 22 DASH 1 69, I BELIEVE.

AND I JUST APPOINTED DISCUSSION AFTER THE MOTION.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION FROM ME? NO.

YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? YES.

AH, OKAY.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS? OKAY.

THE POINT IS THE, WHAT I'M MAKING HERE, THE POINT IN ALL THIS DISCUSSION WAS THAT OVER THE 20 SOME YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, AND MANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SEEN THIS, IS THAT WE MAKE IMPROVEMENT OR APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT POP UP.

SO TO THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE THAT, THAT ARE HAVE SOME CONCERNS, THIS IS WHAT OUR STAFF DOES.

OUR INSPECTORS WILL GO OUT AND INSPECT THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU CALL THE COUNTY.

OKAY? AND THE COUNTY WILL SIGN A INSPECTOR TO GO OUT AND CHECK IT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.

AND SO EVERYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WAS SIMPLY TO KIND OF GIVE NOTICE THAT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA ACCEPT CONTINUAL VIOLATIONS, A VIOLATION HERE AND THERE EVERY NOW AND THEN.

WE UNDERSTAND IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT A CONTINUAL VIOLATION IS JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TAKE PRETTY SERIOUS.

WE CAN TO THE POINT OF MAYBE EVEN PO UH, PULLING THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN ITSELF.

SO WE HEARD YOU, WE'VE HEARD EVERYBODY HOPE THAT THIS BUSINESS SUCCEEDS.

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THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22,169 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

[3. Application No. UP-1000-22, Scott Shearer d/b/a Shear Style LLC. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-170 to authorize a hair salon as a home occupation with customer/client contact on property located at 208 Vine Drive.]

YOU.

THE NEXT ITEM IS, UH, APPLICATION UP 1000 DASH 22 IS IS TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A HAIR SALON AS A HOME OCCUPATION OF 2 0 8 BINE DRIVE.

THANK YOU FOR COMING UP, JANE.

NONE OF THESE HOME BUSINESSES HAVE GENERATED ANY REPORTED PROBLEMS OR COMPLAINTS FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WITH REGARD, UH, TO TRAFFIC OR ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR OPERATION.

GOOD EVENING.

HEY, THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A HAIR SALON AS A HOME OCCUPATION.

THE BUSINESS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED IN THE DETACHED GARAGE OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME, LOCATED AT 2 0 8 VINE DRIVE.

A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION WOULD INVOLVE ON-PREMISES CUSTOMER CONTACT.

THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED RR FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS ARE THE SURROUNDING PARCELS.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE HOLLYWOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION ON A CORNER LOT AT THE INTERSECTION OF VINE DRIVE AND LINDSEY LANDING LANE A 10TH OF A MILE FROM THE WINDY POINT POOL.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, HOME OCCUPATIONS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO OCCUPY MORE THAN 25% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF A RESIDENCE OR 400 SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS, UNLESS THE BOARD AUTHORIZES A GREATER, UH, FLOOR AREA IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE USE APPLICATION, USE PERMIT APPLICATION I DRIVE.

UH, THE APPLICANT'S HOME HAS 1,855 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, AND THE FLOOR PLAN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT THE AREA PROPOSED FOR THE HAIR SALON WOULD BE 235 SQUARE FEET OR APPROXIMATELY 13% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE HOME.

THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING PERMITS BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE HAIR SALON USE.

UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE LIMITS ALL CUSTOMER CONTACT TO THE PERIOD BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 8:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED BY THE BOARD.

UM, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MM-HMM.

TUESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

AND, UM, UH, 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM ON SATURDAYS.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD LIMIT THE APPLICANT TO THESE HOURS.

SO A PROPOSED CONDITION OF APPROVAL STIPULATES THAT CUSTOMER VISITS SHALL BE SCHEDULED BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.

NOT MORE THAN SIX CUSTOMERS SHALL BE SERVED DURING ANY ONE DAY.

UM, AND NOT MORE THAN ONE CUSTOMER AT ANY ONE TIME SHALL BE SERVED WITHIN THE APPLICANT'S HOME.

THE TERM CUSTOMER MAY DESCRIBE A FAMILY GROUP PROVIDED THAT GROUP ACCESSES THE PREMISES IN A SINGLE VEHICLE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

OFF-STREET PARKING MUST MEET STANDARDS FOR THE BUSINESS USE.

IN ADDITION TO SPACES REQUIRED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE PROPERTY, THE BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL USES REQUIRE TWO SPACES EACH FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR SPACES.

ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, PARKING SPACES FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES SHALL BE NINE BY 18 FEET AT A MINIMUM.

THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AREA, WHICH IS 20 FEET WIDE AND 56 FEET LONG, CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE FOUR VEHICLES TO SERVE THE PROPOSED USE.

BASED ON THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE PER DAY SIX, UH, THE BUSINESS IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE A MAXIMUM OF 12 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY.

THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DOES NOT PROVIDE TRAFFIC VOLUME DATA FOR PRIVATE ROADS.

HOWEVER, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE OTHER SIX HOMES ON THIS SECTION OF VINE DRIVE, AS WELL AS THE WINDY POINT POOL LOCATED AT THE END OF THE STREET, STEPH DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED HAIR SALON WOULD OVERBURDEN THIS SECTION OF VINE DRIVE.

THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND A PRIVATE SEPTIC SYSTEM.

THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH BDH REQUIRES OWNERS OF HAIR SALONS ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION FROM A CERTIFIED WASTEWATER ENGINEER, CONFIRMING THAT THE SYSTEM CAN HANDLE THE USE.

HOWEVER, UH, IF THE APPLICANTS, UH, REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED, HE PLANS TO CONNECT HIS PROPERTY TO THE PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEM.

THUS, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN, UH, PROPOSED TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE COMMENCING, PRIOR TO COMMENCING THE PROPOSED USE TO EITHER ONE, PROVIDE THE AFOREMENTIONED DOCUMENTATION TO THE VDH AND THE YORK COUNTY PLANNING DIVISION, OR TWO, CONNECT THE PUBLIC, UH, SEWER SYSTEM, AND, UH, PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE WORK WAS COMPLETED TO THE PLANNING DIVISION.

SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, UH, RETAIL SALES ON THE PREMISES SHALL BE LIMITED TO INCIDENTAL SALES OF BEAUTY PRODUCTS, SHAMPOO AND CONDITIONING, AND OTHER HAIR CARE PRODUCTS.

AND NO PERSON OTHER THAN INDIVIDUALS RESIDING ON THE PREMISES SHALL BE ENGAGED IN THE HOME OCCUPATION.

SO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED MANY, UH, USE PERMITS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS WITH CUSTOMER CONTACT.

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SO THE PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPE AND INTENSITY OF ACTIVITY APPROVED FOR MANY OTHER HOME OCCUPATIONS BASED ON THE SUPPORT FROM HIS NEIGHBORS AND THE SMALL NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS THAT WILL BE SERVED IN A GIVEN DAY.

STAFF BELIEVES IT IS NOT LIKELY TO HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF'S OPINION.

THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE SUFFICIENT TO ENSURE IT REMAINS A SMALL SCALE OPERATION CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE HOME OCCUPATION PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

SO THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 22 DASH ONE 70.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN A SIX TO ZERO VOTE.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

COUPLE QUESTIONS.

WERE THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR DECISION MADE ON BUSINESS SIGNAGE ON PROPERTY? UM, YEAH, HE, HE DOES WANT TO HAVE A, A SIGN HE SAID TEMPORARILY.

SO HE WANTS TO HAVE THAT, THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

SO WE, AND WE HAVE, UM, DEFINITIONS OF WHAT THAT SIGN CAN BE SIZE AND EVERYTHING, SO, OKAY.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, HE SAID HE'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE, UM, JUST IN THE BEGINNING SO THAT HIS, UH, EXISTING CLIENTS KNOW WHICH ONE IS HIS HOUSE AND HIS HANDS TO TAKE IT DOWN.

AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MAYBE TO STAFF.

IF THE APPLICANT DECIDES THEY WANNA HOOK UP TO COUNTY SEWER, HOW QUICKLY CAN THAT HAPPEN? ANY? WELL, WHAT'S THE QUICK, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL TURNAROUND TIME ON THAT? GOTTA FIND A PLUMBER.

FOR HIM TO HOOK UP TO .

SO FOR HIM TO HOOK UP THE COUNTY SEWER WOULD DEPEND ON HOW FAST HE COULD GET A PLUMBER TO HOOK UP INTO THE EXISTING SEWER SYSTEM AND PERMITTING.

SO HE'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, START IT ON HIS END.

SO THE PERMITTING PROCESS TAKES, THAT WOULDN'T TAKE ANY TIME AT ALL.

A COUPLE WEEKS, AND THEN HE CAN HOOK UP AND PAY HIS FEES.

SO THE LONG POLE IN THAT 10 IS GETTING A PLUMBER SCHEDULED RIGHT THERE TO ACTUALLY DO THE HOOKUP.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NOT NOT FROM ME.

WILL THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU, JEAN.

IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SCOTT SHEARER AT 2 0 8 FINE DRIVE.

UM, SO I'VE LIVED IN VIRGINIA ABOUT 40 YEARS.

UH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS OUTSIDE 29 YEARS.

UM, STARTED WORKING IN THE COUNTY, UM, 20 YEARS AGO.

UH, OPENED UP THE BUSINESS 15 YEARS AGO, UH, AND MOVED TO THE COUNTY MYSELF ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

UM, BUSINESS HAS BEEN A SUCCESS UNTIL ABOUT THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, BECAUSE THE STAFFING ISSUES AND SO FORTH, UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, UH, TO KEEP A STAFF, FIND A STAFF.

AND SO, UM, THE, UH, CURRENT LEASE IS GONNA EXPIRE IN, UH, MARCH OF 23.

AND SO I'M HOPING, UH, THAT, UH, WITH APPROVAL OF THIS, I CAN STILL KEEP MY BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I PREFER TO KEEP IT THERE.

AND, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE ALREADY INQUIRED, UH, PLUMBING AND, UH, THE, UH, SEWER CONNECTION.

UM, THEY'RE JUST WAITING ON THIS APPROVAL.

AND, UH, IT SHOULD TAKE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT I'VE, UH, UH, ASKED TO DO THE, TO DO THE WORK, UM, HE SAID IT COULD TAKE A WEEK.

UH, ON HIS END AS FAR AS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO TO, TO CONNECT.

IT'S JUST GONNA BE UP TO THE, THE PERMIT USAGE, UH, OR APPROVAL.

SO, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

UHHUH .

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT? SEE NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE RESOLUTION, UM, R 22 DASH ONE 70, IF I'M READING THAT RIGHT? YEP, THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, FOR THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I'M GONNA CALL ON RICHARD HILL FOR A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY CODE SECTIONS.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DISCUSSION, OTHERWISE, PLEASE, THE ROLL CALL, THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RON IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 1 70 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

[4. Amendments to York County Code Sections 21-92 through 21-102, Relating to the Collection of Transient Occupancy Taxes. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 22-15 to repeal and replace York County Code Sections 21-92 through 21-102 pertaining to Transient Occupancy Tax.]

THESE CHANGES RELATE TO THE COLLECTION OF TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES.

JUST THAT ONE SEC, JUST THAT ONE SECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UH, THE SECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS

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21 DASH 92.

SO THIS ISS THROUGH 21, 1 0 2.

THE, SO WE HAVE A, UH, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX PROVISIONED IN THE YORK COUNTY CODE.

THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE THIS SESSION THAT TOOK EFFECT ON OCTOBER THE FIRST.

AND OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE TO BRING OUR CODE IN CONFORMITY WITH WHAT IS ALLOWED BY VIRGINIA STATE CODE.

NOW THE PRIMARY CHANGES, UH, ARE IN THE WORDING, UH, OF REMOVING THE WORD LODGING AND MAKING IT CONSISTENT WITH ACCOMMODATION.

THE INCORPORATION OF THE ACCOMMODATION INTERMEDIARY, AND THEN THE PROVISION THAT NOW REQUIRES THE, UH, ACCOMMODATION INTERMEDIARY TO ALSO REPORT AS PART OF THEIR, UH, REPORTS TO THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, THE LOCATION OF AN, AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, RECEIPT FROM EACH DIFFERENT PROPERTY ADDRESS.

I SEE.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND THE ITEMS BRIEFLY ARE, UH, NUMBER FIVE IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HILL? NOT FOR ME.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ORDINANCE, UH, NUMBER 22 DASH 15.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 22 DASH 15 TO REPEAL AND REPLACE YOUR COUNTY CODE SECTIONS PERTAINING TO TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

NUMBER SIX IS DUMPSTER AND REFUGE COLLECTION SERVICES.

NUMBER SEVEN IS REQUEST FOR REFUND OF REAL PROPERTY TAXES, AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST.

NUMBER EIGHT, REQUEST FOR REFUND OF TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAXES.

ARROW, L L C NINE, PURCHASE RESOLUTION L D A R.

DATA SETS.

HMM.

UH, NUMBER 10 IS PERSONNEL PRO POLICY AND PROCEDURAL MANUAL.

11.

COMMENDATION OF A RETIRING, RETIRING EMPLOYEE, ALICE CAMPO.

12 COMMENDATION OF A RETIRING EMPLOYEE, KEVIN WALKER.

13 COMMENDATION OF RETIRING EMPLOYEE KENNETH METCALF.

14.

COMMENDATION OF RETIRING EMPLOYEE DREAM OF CROFT 15.

COMMENDATION OF RETIRING EMPLOYEE MAGNA ROYS.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT A BOARD MEMBER WOULD CARE TO PULL? AND NUMBER EIGHT, IF NOT, NUMBER EIGHT.

NUMBER EIGHT.

NUMBER EIGHT, REQUEST FOR REFUND.

AND NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.

WHICH ONE? NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.

THANK.

WHO WISHES TO TALK TO NUMBER EIGHT AND NUMBER NINE.

UH, NUMBER EIGHT.

UM, I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A TABLE.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A TABLE IN HERE.

YEAH, HERE IT IS.

THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE.

SO WE'RE TALKING A REFUND OF THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX.

AND, AND THE WAY THE WORDING IS IN THIS RESOLUTION OR THE, THE, THE, IT'S A PACKAGE, IT TALKS ABOUT INADVERTENT PAYMENT.

I THINK THAT WAS THE TERM.

OVERPAYMENT.

YEAH, OVERPAYMENT.

HOW DO, HOW DOES THAT OCCUR? WELL, THAT'S HOW, I MEAN, HOW DOES AN OVERPAYMENT OF ATTACKS WHEN IT'S PRETTY WELL STATED OUT THAT IT'S SO, SO HONESTLY, UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS ANY IDEA.

, UH, AND THE TREASURER ADVISED THE ATTORNEYS THAT IT HAD OCCURRED.

WE COULD SPECULATE ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THAT COULD HAPPEN.

AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO FIND OUT FROM THEM.

AND OKAY.

IF YOU FIND OUT FOR ME, I JUST, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE, UH, THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE BORDER AND THEY PAID THE WRONG LOCALITY.

THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY FREQUENT ONE THAT HAPPENS.

, WE EXPECT, UH, BUT IT COULD BE SOME OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, HUMAN ERROR, COMPUTER ERROR.

WE, WE CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU.

OH, OKAY.

WELL, NORMALLY A BILL, UH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE GOES THERE STAYING IN, STAYING AT THEIR DE LODGING OR WHEREVER THEY PAY THE, THE CUSTOMER PAYS A BILL.

AND THE TAX IS PART OF, GENERALLY IS PART OF THAT BILL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE REFUNDING ATTACKS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE COLLECTED OFF A CUSTOMER.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.

SO MY, MY BEST GUESS WOULD BE IT GOT SENS IS OVER THERE SHAKING HER HEAD ADAMANTLY NO.

THAT I, I'M GUESSING IT'S SOMETHING LIKE GOT SENSE OF THE WRONG LOCALITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT COULD BE THAT.

BUT YOU TRANSIENT WAIT MINUTE WAIT, COME BACK AND

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SAY THAT AGAIN OUT LOUD.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE SOMETHING EXACTLY LIKE MR. MORGAN'S SAYING, BUT IT ALSO COULD BE THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX.

THEY ACTUALLY FILED THOSE WITH THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE THEMSELVES.

A BILL IS NOT SENT TO NO, NO, BUT TO BILL, BUT SOMEBODY PAID THE BILL.

I MEAN RIGHT.

THEY, THEY SEND A FORM IN WITH THEIR MONEY.

WE DON'T SEND THEM A BILL.

THERE'S NO BILL.

THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY ESTIMATE THE BILL JUST LIKE YOUR TAX RETURNS.

YOU SEND IN YOUR TAX RETURNS.

AND SO SOMEBODY IN THE, SOMEBODY IN THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE'S OFFICE COLLECT, LOOKED AT IT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY DIDN'T COLLECT? HOW CAN WE PAY? HOW CAN WE, WAIT A MINUTE, HANG ON.

YOU SAID THEY DIDN'T COLLECT IT THEN HOW ARE WE PAYING? WHY ARE WE PAYING IT BACK IF THEY DIDN'T COLLECT IT? NO, THEY, THEY COLLECTED IT.

THEY SEND IN THE FORM.

THEY DID COLLECT IT ALONG WITH THE MONEY.

AND THEN SOMEHOW THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE DETERMINED THAT IT, IT WASN'T OUR MONEY, SO WE NEED TO RETURN IT BACK TO THEM.

BUT DID THEY CHARGE THE CUSTOMER, THEY SELF-REPORT WHAT THEY SEND? DID THEY CHARGE? OKAY, I WANT, I WANT TO KNOW IF HER CHECK, IF WE'RE PAYING IN YOUR WORDS, WE'RE GIVING THEM MONEY BACK THAT SUPPOSEDLY THEY DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR, BUT YET, YET IT'S CALLED, IT'S UNDER THIS TRANSIENT TAX.

AND MY, MY QUESTION IS, WHO PAID THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE? THEY PAID THE MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN THEY SENT IN THEIR FORM TO SELF-REPORT WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD.

OKAY, SO THIS WASN'T TRANSFERRED, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY COLLECTED OFF THE CUSTOMER.

NO.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW.

IT'S A TEXT THAT THEY GET TO HAVE THE BUSINESS.

UPDATED SO THAT COUNTY PROPERTY OWNERS CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS WITH THEIR PROPERTY OR WHERE THEY MAY WANNA MOVE TO AND SO FORTH.

UM, THE NEXT ONE PLEASE.

NUMBER NINE, THE REG.

THAT, THAT'S YOURS.

YEAH, THAT'S MINE.

SO THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT, MORE SO THAN, THAN QUESTION, ALTHOUGH MR. WHITE MAY WANT TO KIND OF ADD SOME COLOR COMMENTARY TO SOME OF THE, ADD SOME MORE DETAILS HERE.

SO, UH, RECENTLY, UH, COUNTY STAFF HAS ADDED A NEW SERVICE TO COUNTY SERVICES.

THEY'VE ADDED A, UH, TOPOGRAPHICAL MAP, UH, TO OUR, TO OUR GIS, UM, UH, SERVICES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AND SEE CONTOUR LINES ON PROPERTY ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY WHERE THEY SIT ABOVE WATER LEVEL OR MAYBE BELOW WATER LEVEL, DEPENDING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND MAKE BETTER PROPERTY PURCHASE DECISIONS OR PROPER PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO SERVICES WE'RE ADDING TO THE COUNTY.

NOW, THE CAVEAT WITH THAT IS WE, AFTER TALKING WITH 10 FOR A WHILE ON THIS AND GETTING MORE DETAILS ON IT, THAT DATA'S FROM 2007.

DOESN'T CHANGE A LOT, BUT IT HAS CHANGED SOME.

SO IN ORDER TO BRING THAT UP TO DATE, WE NEED TO ENGAGE SERVICES WITH A COMPANY THAT PROVIDES, PROVIDES LAID RADAR SERVICES TO REMAP THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

NOW TO THAT END COUNTY STAFF AND TIM'S OFFICE HAS PARTNERED WITH THE CITY OF NEWPORT NEWS, WHO NEEDS TO DO THE SAME THING SO THAT WE CAN COMBINE THE EFFORTS TO DO NEWPORT NEWS AND YORK COUNTY AT THE SAME TIME, THEREBY REDUCING THEIR TOTAL COST BURDEN, UM, FOR THAT SERVICE TO GET THE MAPS UPDATED.

UM, I THINK, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT A $50,000 SAVINGS IF HELP.

HELP ME OUT HERE.

SO YEAH, THE ACQUISITION'S $55,000, THE SAVINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION, THERE'S A PRICE BREAK POINT AT 500 TILES THAT NEWPORT NEWS COULD NOT MAKE BY THEMSELVES, NOR COULD YORK COUNTY BY THEMSELVES.

BUT BY FLYING BOTH OF OUR REGIONS TOGETHER, WE REACH THAT PRICE THRESHOLD.

IT TAKES THE TILE PRICE FROM A HUNDRED NINETY SIX SEVENTY 2 CENTS DOWN TO $122 40 CENTS.

SO A NET SAVINGS THROUGH THAT FOR THE COUNTY FOR 30,000.

IN ADDITION, BECAUSE WE SHARE A BORDER WITH NEWPORT NEWS AND SOME OF THOSE TILES HIGHLY OVERLAP US, NEWPORT NEWS IS ALREADY FLYING IT FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

SO THEY'RE GIVING US ALL THOSE, THAT TILE 32 TILES FOR FREE, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 6,000 SAVINGS TO YORK COUNTY.

UM, SO IT BENEFITS NEWPORT NEWS AND HIGHLY BENEFITS THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY.

SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO, RIGHT.

TELL US WHAT A TILE IS.

A TILE IS A SECTION THAT THEY BREAK DOWN OF YORK COUNTY AND IT'S A GRID PATTERN THAT THEY KIND OF FLY OUT.

UM, SOME OF THE TIMES WE, IN PRIOR YEARS, EVEN THAT IN THE 2007 DATA, WE DID NOT DO THE PERIMETER CUZ ONLY ONE SMALL SECTION MAY HAVE BEEN HERE.

BUT WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WE'LL BE FLYING ALMOST EVERY SQUARE INCH, MINUS THE MILITARY BASES AND THE ISLAND OFF A KIND OF GOODWIN NECK SINCE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NO ONE LIVES OUT THERE.

SO WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE COVERAGE.

WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN KIND OF IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THIS DATA SO IT DOESN'T GO OUT OF, YOU KNOW, OUT OF DATE.

SO IF THERE'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A NET, ANOTHER METHODOLOGY SO WE DON'T HAVE SUCH ANOTHER HUGE CHUNK FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE TO APPROVE AND FLY THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

IN ADDITION, THE 2007 DATA IS TWO FOOT CONTOURS.

THIS WILL BE GIVING YORK COUNTY CITIZENS ONE FOOT CONTOURS, WHICH SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASES THE ACCURACY AND PROJECTIONS AND MODELINGS WE CAN DO WITH RAIN, OFF RAIN, UH, OVERFLOW WATER, STORM WATER, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE GETTING OUR CONTOUR DATA

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WE'RE DOING IT A SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS AND I APPRECIATE COUNTY LOOKING AT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH, WITH ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND, AND NOT IGNORING THAT AND GOING ALONE.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WIN-WIN.

AND, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT ATTENTION TO DETAIL.

AND ONE OTHER THING THAT I, I NEGLECTED TELL, TELL YOU IS HAMPTON IS ALSO HIGHLY LOOKING AT IT NOW, WE WON'T HIT A PRICE BREAK WITH HAMPTON'S INVOLVEMENT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A REGIONAL COLLABORATION THAT, THAT'S GOOD.

HAMPTON WILL ALSO HAVE SAVINGS AND WE REACH OUT TO THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

THE OTHER ONES JUST WEREN'T INTERESTED AT THIS TIME.

SO IS THE, THE TILE TIED TO THE TECHNOLOGIES BEING USED OR IS IT TIED TO THE CENSUS TRACK? I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER.

HE DOESN'T KNOW.

I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE .

I, I I WOULD GUESS, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

SO APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? WOULD SOMEONE CARE TO MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR? I'LL MOVE THE CONSENT.

WHAT? I WILL MOVE THE CONSENT.

ROLL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. SHEPHERD IS TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AS SUBMITTED.

NOW WE'RE GONNA GO BACK ON OUR LIST AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I HAVE NOTHING.

THANK YOU, MR. THANK WILL.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS.

NOTHING.

THANK YOU SO

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

MUCH.

I WILL START WITH YOU.

THANK, THANK YOU.

I I WILL BE BRIEF.

UH, THIS WHOLE CENTURY, SINCE 2000, WE'VE HAD ONE SHERIFF IN THIS COUNTY, UH, MR. JD DANNY DIGGS.

MANY OF YOU KNOW HIM.

UH, HE WILL BE RETIRING IN 11 DAYS AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK HIM FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE, HIS 2223 YEARS OF SERVICE.

HE HAS MADE YORK COUNTY A SAFER, BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THE DEPUTIES THAT WORK FOR HIM.

I'D LIKE TO WISH HIM WELL IN HIS RETIREMENT AND LIKE TO, UH, SHOW SUPPORT TO HIM AND HIS NEW ENDEAVOR IN, UH, REPRESENTING US IN RICHMOND.

AND JOB WELL DONE, MR. DIGGS.

AND, UH, OUTSTANDING.

HE'S THE ONLY SHERIFF THAT THIS COUNTY IS KNOWN IN THE LAST CENTURY.

UH, MR. ROAD? YES.

SO, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT THE, UH, YOUTH COMMISSION, THE REPORT THE YOUTH COMMISSION SHARED WITH US, AND A COUPLE POINTS THEY MADE.

ONE WAS THE OUTSTANDING YOUTH AWARDS APPLICATIONS COMING UP IN FEBRUARY 17TH, AS WELL AS APPLICATIONS FOR THE NEXT YOUTH COMMISSION.

BOTH OF THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO I'M SPEAKING TO PARENTS AND EDUCATORS IN THE COUNTY.

IF THEY HAVE ANYBODY, STUDENTS IN MIND THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO EITHER ONE OR BOTH, UM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU MEET THOSE DEADLINES TO GET THOSE APPLICATIONS IN.

I HAVE READ SOME REMARKABLE, UM, CASE STUDIES AS PART OF THE OUTSTANDING YOUTH AWARDS.

UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING THE THE QUALITY OF, UH, YOUTH WE HAVE IN OUR SCHOOLS HERE.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AGAIN, AS, AS A, AS THE BOARD REP ON, ON THE YOUTH COMMISSION TO BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND PART OF THAT DECISION PROCESS.

SO IT, WE, WE LOOK AT THAT VERY HARD.

WE AND, UM, REALLY GO INTO DEPTH WITH THAT AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD CANDIDATES THERE.

SO JUST REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE GETTING THOSE APPLICATIONS IN.

UH, SO WE HAVE A GOOD BOARD NEXT YEAR AND WE RECOGNIZE THE, THE STUDENTS THAT REALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY IN SOME FASHION AS PART OF THIS OUTSTANDING, UM, YOUTH AWARDS.

UH, SECOND THING, KIND OF THE OPPOSITE, THE, UM, FOLLOW UP ON WHAT MR. GREEN SAID ABOUT OUR, UH, GOING, UH, SHERIFF, SAME THING, BUT ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE OUR NEW SHERIFF TO BE, UM, MAJOR RON MONTGOMERY, WHO WILL, WHO WILL JANUARY 1ST BE SHERIFF RON MONTGOMERY, WHO HAS BEEN SERVING IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I THINK 45 YEARS IF I GOT THAT RIGHT.

SO BRINGING A TON OF EXPERIENCE WITH HIM TO HIS NEW ROLE AND WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE HIM THE BEST SUPPORT THAT WE CAN AND WISH HIM ALL THE BEST IN HIS NEW POSITION.

AND LAST SAYING, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY.

REALLY HAVE A WONDERFUL STAFF.

YEP.

TOM.

YEAH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE GOING INTO THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE HOLIDAY SEASON, THERE'S TWO THINGS I, UH, JUST WANNA, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE.

ONE IS I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE GREAT STAFF FOR THE TREMENDOUS WORK YOU'VE DONE OVER THIS PAST YEAR.

WE'VE HAD TO DIG OUT OF THE, UH, THE COVID.

WE'RE NOT OUT OF IT YET COMPLETELY, BUT WE HAVE REALLY, UH, MADE SOME TRANSITIONS, UH, TO GET OUT OF THAT.

THE, THE MINDSET WE'RE IN, IT'S, UH, IT'S, AND YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IT HAPPEN.

IT'S, UH, NEIL, UH, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE, AND THE, THE WORK HARD WORK OF ALL THE, THE SUPERVISORS AND, AND, UH, ADMINISTRATORS AND, AND THE STAFF AND, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND, UH, YOU REALLY,

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SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE DONE OVER THIS PAST YEAR.

IT JUST HASN'T BEEN EASY.

UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE COMING OUT THE OTHER, WE'RE GONNA BE COMING OUT THE OTHER END WITH A LOT OF SUCCESS AND WE'VE GOT MORE SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE.

UM, THE SECOND ONE AND A MORE SOBERING, UM, NOTE IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY DURING THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO PREY ON OTHER PEOPLE, OKAY.

IN SOCIETY.

AND, UH, WE CONSTANTLY DEAL WITH SECURITY ISSUES IN THE COUNTY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ASSETS AND OUR, AND OUR STAFF AND ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WORKING HERE ARE SAFE.

UM, AND, UH, WE DO A GREAT JOB, I THINK OF DOING THAT.

SO FAR AS I KNOW WE HAVEN'T PAID ANY RANSOMS TO ANYBODY, BUT, UH, WE, IT IT'S JUST SAD THAT, UH, THERE'S, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PREY ON, ON OTHER FOLKS TO TAKE THEIR MONEY, TO TAKE THEIR ASSETS, TO PUT 'EM IN JUST TOTAL DISREGARD OF, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT THIS LEAVES PEOPLE IN.

AND, UH, IT BEHOOVES EVERYONE, EVERYONE TO PAY ATTENTION.

WE'RE NOT OUR, WE'RE A SOCIETY OF KINDNESS.

I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN PEOPLE REALLY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO, TO GIVE TO CHARITIES TO HELP OTHERS.

UM, BUT AS ALWAYS, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR COUNTRY, ANYWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY, THE ROARING TWENTIES OR ANYTHING ELSE, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY TRYING TO BREAK THE LAW.

AND PART OF THAT BREAKING THE LAW IS TAKING MONEY AND STEALING IT FROM, FROM, UH, HARDWORKING AND, UH, AND, UH, CITIZENS THAT REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE OUR DEMOCRACY.

SO JUST PLEASE PAY ATTENTION, OKAY? PROTECT YOUR ASSETS, UH, BOTH ON THE COMPUTER WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO AND IN YOUR CARS.

BECAUSE LARCENY FROM A VEHICLE STILL OUR NUMBER ONE CRIME.

UM, AND IF YOU'RE OUT DRIVING AROUND, I MEAN, KNOW, I, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY TELL YOU IS, IS DON'T DRIVE AND DRINK.

ALL RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SOME PRETTY TERRIBLE ACCIDENTS THIS YEAR AT THAT.

WE JUST DON'T WANNA, THAT WE JUST DON'T NEED, OKAY? AND IT MAKES IT, AND THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE VERY SAD.

BUT ANYWAY, ON A POSITIVE NOTE, I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A, UH, MERRY CHRISTMAS, HALF A HANUKKAH, WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA CELEBRATE.

AND, UH, A HAPPY NEW YEAR CUZ WE'RE GONNA COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER YEAR AGO.

OKAY? THANK YOU.