Nov 15, 2022 Board of Supervisors

MONDAY WE'LL ALSO BEGIN INSTALLING YORKTOWN'S CHRISTMAS TREE AT THE WATERFRONT.

AND THEN NEXT

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NOW THIS TREE THAT STANDS 20 FEET TALL IS A REALLY CLEAR INDICATOR THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON HAS ARRIVED IN YORKTOWN.

TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE HOLIDAY HAPPENINGS WE HAVE PLANNED, I'D LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO KEVIN RICHIE, OUR EVENT PLANNER.

THANK YOU, DARREN.

SO IF YOU GUYS, UH, INDULGE ME, I'D LIKE TO GET INTO THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT A LITTLE BIT, IF THAT'S OKAY.

I'D LOVE IT.

THERE WE GO.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

SO SPEAKING OF THE HOLIDAYS, THE HOLIDAY SEASON KICKS OFF IN YOUR TOWN WITH THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY, A COMMUNITY TRADITION SPONSORED BY THE YORK COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.

THIS YEAR, THE EVENT WILL FEATURE PERFORMANCES BY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHOIRS AT THE VICTORY MONUMENT, AND WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PROCESSIONAL LIGHTS TO THE YORKTOWN WATERFRONT, LED BY THE FIVES AND DRUMS OF YOUR TOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.

THERE'LL BE A PERFORMANCE BY THE TRADE DOCK MILITARY BRASS BAND, FOLLOWED BY THE OFFICIAL LIGHTING OF THE YORKTOWN CHRISTMAS TREE.

WHEN FOLKS GO TO THE FREIGHT SHOW, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, CREATE A CAR FOR SERVICEMEN OR MEMBERS, OR WRITE A LETTER TO SANTA.

AND IF YOU, UH, LOOK DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT, YOU MIGHT SEE A SPECIAL GUEST.

IF HE'S NOT TOO BUSY BREAKING AWAY FROM HIS WORKSHOP, THE FOLLOWING DAY KICKS OFF OUR TWO DAY CHRISTMAS MARKET ON MAINE.

THIS TWO DAY EVENT WILL FEATURE MORE THAN 80 VENDORS, INCLUDING ARTIST, FOOD VENDORS, SPECIAL HOLIDAY TREATS, OFFERINGS, AND GIFT OFFERINGS IN ADDITION TO VENDORS THAT'LL ALSO BE STROLLING ENTERTAINMENT, A CHESTNUT ROASTING DEMONSTRATION, ICE COVERING, DEMONSTRATION, A BLACKSMITH DEMO, COLONIAL ORNAMENT MAKING, AND MUCH, MUCH MORE FOR FAMILIES.

ON SATURDAY, THE VISITORS CAN, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY WITH SANTA ON MAIN STREET, WITH YORK COUNTY'S ORIGINAL OLD 55 DODGE VINTAGE FIRETRUCK THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE THERE ON SATURDAY EVENING, A CROWD FAVORITE RETURNS TO YORKTOWN WITH THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE.

THIS EVENT IS SPONSORED BY THE LIGHTED BOAT PARADE COMMITTEE OF THE YORKTOWN FOUNDATION, AND IS A VERY BIG UNDERTAKING.

WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELP PULL OFF THE SPECIAL YORKTOWN TRADITION.

FAMILIES CAN ENJOY CIDER, HOT COCOA PROVIDED BY A LOCAL BOY SCOUT GROUP, WARM UP BY A BONFIRE, AND TAKING STROLLING ENTERTAINMENT ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

THE PARADE WILL START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, BUT WE RECOMMEND GUESTS ARRIVE EARLY TO YORKTOWN IF THEY'RE VISITING ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS OR ONE OF OUR ONSITE FOOD VENDORS AS TRAFFIC AND, UH, GETS VERY BUSY.

THIS IS A VERY POPULAR EVENT IN YORKTOWN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SEVEN SECOND DAY OF THE CHRISTMAS MARKET.

ON MAY, WE HAVE OUR COOKIES WITH SANTA, WHICH TAKES PLACE ON SUNDAY, DECEMBER 4TH AT YORK HALL, BETWEEN ONE AND 4:00 PM THIS EVENT IS FREE AND SPONSORED BY THE GALLERY, YORK HALL AND IT'S VOLUNTEERS.

KIDS WILL BE ABLE TO VISIT WITH SANTA, TAKE A PICTURE AND DROP OFF THEIR CHRISTMAS WISHLIST FOR DELIVERY TO THE NORTH POLE, PARENTS CAN SHOP THE GALLERY FOR UNIQUE GIFTS MADE BY LOCAL AND REGIONAL ARTISTS.

NEW THIS YEAR, AN ENCHANTED EVENING ON MAIN STREET.

ON THIS EVENING, GUESTS WILL EXPERIENCE AN ACTIVITY SCENE WITH LIVE ANIMALS AND ICE CARVING, DEMONSTRATION CHESTNUT, ROASTING, STROLLING ENTERTAINMENT, AND A MAKE AND TAKE KIDS CRAFT AND SEASONAL VENDORS.

THIS WILL BE A SPECIAL EVENING AS MAIN STREET BE ALIGNED WITH LUMINARIES, CRESTS, AND BRAZERS.

GUESTS CAN GRAB A TREAT AND WARM UP BY THE FIRE WHILE LISTENING TO CHRISTMAS STORIES AT MOB JACK BAY COFFEE ROASTERS.

LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, SANTA WILL BE IN YOUR HALL AND KIDS CAN GO IN AND VISIT.

WHILE ADULTS CAN SHOP THE UNIQUE GRS AT THE GALLERY VIDEO SERVICES AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS IS PUT TOGETHER THIS FESTIVE ENTER, UH, ADVERTISEMENT FOR EVENT WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU.

AT THIS POINT, OUR FINAL HOLIDAY THEME EVENT WILL BE THE MISSILE TONE MARKET DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.

FAMILIES CAN ENJOY LIVE MUSIC FROM CENTER STAGE ACADEMY AND TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOP UNIQUE GIFTS.

THIS MARKET IS PACKED WITH PLENTY OF HOLIDAY THEMED FUN AND THE FREIGHT SAID FAMILIES WILL FIND SANTA IN A MODEL TRAIN EXHIBIT.

SPEAKING OF TRAINS, FAMILIES CAN ENJOY THE FREE POLAR EXPRESS DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT AND MARCHING OUR TOILET AND PARADE.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE'LL BE KIDS CRAFTS, COLONIAL ORNAMENT MAKING, AND ICE CARBING DEMONSTRATION.

ALSO IN DECEMBER, THERE ARE A FEW COMMUNITY PARTNER EVENTS THAT ARE FREE TO YORK COUNTY RESIDENTS CHRISTMAS TIDE IN VIRGINIA AT THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

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MUSEUM.

LEARN ABOUT COLONIAL HOLIDAY TRADITIONS, BOTH INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.

THE REESE ACROSS AMERICA EVENT, SPONSORED BY THE YORKTOWN CHIEF PETTY OFFICER ASSOCIATION AND COLONIAL NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK.

THE GOAL OF THIS EVENT IS TO PLACE A, A WREATH AT EACH GRAVE AT THE YOURTOWN NATIONAL CEMETERY.

AND YOU CAN VOLUNTEER YOUR TIME OR DONATE MONEY TO PURCHASE A WREATH.

THIS YEAR, DUE TO THE POPULARITY AND INCREASED IN ATTENDANCE, ECONOMIC TOURISM DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO HELP BRING THIS EVENT TO THE PUBLIC.

ALSO WITH THE WATERMAN MUSEUM, THIS, UH, WINTER, THE VICO YIELD SIDE CELEBRATION WILL TAKE PLACE WHERE YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT ANCIENT SCANDINAVIAN INFLUENCES ON THE MODERN CHRISTMAS CULTURE WITH INTERPRETERS AND FAMILY ACTIVITIES.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, ALL OUR UPCOMING EVENTS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU CAN FIND IT ON OUR WEBSITE@WWW.VISITYORKTOWN.ORG ARE ONE OF OUR VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THESE EVENTS TO YOU.

YORK COUNTY ECONOMIC AND TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, ALONG WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, CONSIDERED IT A GREAT HONOR TO BRING THIS HOLIDAYS TO YOUR TOWN AND MAKE IT SPECIAL.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES DOWN IN YOUR TOWN IN THE COMING WEEKS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

IS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMENT, UH, MR. RICHIE, MR. WILLIAMS, WHAT IS THE CHARGE FOR ALL THESE WONDERFUL ACTIVITIES? ZERO.

THEY'RE FREE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE YOU GO.

THAT'S WHAT I THEY'RE FREE.

THEY'RE FREE.

THEY AFRAID TO GET FREE.

COCOA INSIDER.

THERE YOU GO.

AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, YOU MENTIONED BEFORE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERT THAT WE BRING IN EVERY SEPTEMBER, AND IT'S FREE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S FREE BECAUSE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THE CELEBRATE YORKTOWN COMMITTEE, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT.

AND ALSO THE GALLERY, IF YOU BUY GIFTS TO THE GALLERY, THE MONEY THAT THEY MAKE THERE ALSO GOES TOWARDS THIS.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS IN THIS COUNTY THAT DO AN AWFUL LOT FOR OUR CITIZENS, AND I THANK THEM VERY, VERY MUCH.

NONE OF THIS WOULD BE PO POSSIBLE WITHOUT OUR MANY VOLUNTEERS, AND WE TRULY CHERISH ALL THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS, SO YES, ABSOLUTELY.

ANYBODY ELSE? SO I HAVE QUESTION AND SOME OF THOSE VOLUNTEERS OR MEMBERS OF THE YORK COUNTY YOUTH COMMISSION THAT WILL BE THERE ON THE SECOND DURING THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY IN THE FREIGHT SHED TO DO THE, UM, LETTERS TO THE TROOPS.

SO, ABSOLUTELY.

AND, AND TO SPEAK OF THE YOUTH COMMISSION, THEY'VE HELPED US OUT ON NUMEROUS EVENTS.

THEY'VE BEEN A REALLY HUGE HELP, SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, TIMES GET A LITTLE TIGHT WITH STAFFING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE KICKED IN AND HELPED OUT A TON, SO REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THEM AS WELL.

YEAH, GOOD BUNCH.

YEP.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE HAS ALL THOSE, UH, CHRISTMAS CARDS FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN MM-HMM.

ON THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING.

SO IF YOU GO TO THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING, PLEASE GO INTO THE FREIGHT SHED AND SIGN CARDS TO SEND TO OUR MILITARY PEOPLE WHO ARE DEPLOYED.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK FIRST OF ALL, WHAT MS. CHAIR THAT, UH, WHAT WE JUST SAW HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CHRISTMAS SEASON, AND I THINK IT WAS SO EXCITING, WE LEFT THIS AHEAD OF US.

THESE TWO GENTLEMEN DESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLAPPING FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.

AND THE PEOPLE THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT OUR, WE HAVE AN AMAZING STAFF, SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THEM AS WELL.

THAT ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT.

SO WE REALLY, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TEAM THAT WE'RE PART OF IN ECONOMIC AND TOURISMS AND DEVELOPMENT.

SO THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THE RECOGNITION.

THE NEXT TOPIC ON THE AGENDA IS A CITIZEN'S COMMENT PERIOD.

OKAY,

[CITIZENS' COMMENT PERIOD]

AND THE FIRST PERSON WE HAVE SIGNED UP IS SHIRLEY COOPER, WHO IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND REPRESENTED US AT THE HOUSE OF DELEGATES.

SHIRLEY, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.

I'M SHIRLEY COOPER, AND I HAVE DOWNSIZED MY HOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO I TECHNICALLY LIVE IN DBE, BUT MY HEART IS INDEED HERE IN YORKTOWN.

AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU BEFORE I GET STARTED THAT I WAS THE FIRST SANTA COOPER I RODE.

I DID.

YOU WERE, I DID.

I RODE ON THE FIRE TRUCK AND THE, THE IT WAS OUT HERE WAS RIGHT OUT THERE.

SO I STARTED THE FIRST CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING AND I RODE IN ON THE FIRE TRUCK.

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ANYWAY, I'M HERE TODAY TO REALLY SAY NOTHING BAD AT ALL ABOUT YOU.

I'M HERE TO SING YOUR PRAISES.

I'M HERE TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THIS COUNTY.

THIS COUNTY IS MAGNIFICENT, AND THIS WATERFRONT IS INCREDIBLE.

I STARTED ON THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 74.

THE TOTAL ADMINISTRATION WAS IN THE BASEMENT OF

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THIS BUILDING, THE TOTAL ADMINISTRATION, ALL OF IT.

AND ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WERE IN THIS BUILDING AS WELL.

AND THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THAT IS INDEED THE CASE.

YOU HAVE LED THE SHOW.

AND HOW BEAUTIFUL IS THAT WATERFRONT TODAY? OH MY GOODNESS.

I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT YOU.

I REALLY CAN'T.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S JUST A LITTLE TEENY FAIRY WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE ACROSS THE RIVER.

AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT WONDERFUL BRIDGE THAT HOPEFULLY I HAD A LOT TO DO WITH AS WELL AS SOME OTHER PROJECTS.

BUT, UH, I'M ALSO HERE TO PRAISE YOU.

SHARON HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB WITH THIS GALLERY DOWNSTAIRS, AND I EVEN HAVE SOME OF MY PAINTINGS DISPLAYED THERE AS WELL AS THE GALLERY ON MAIN STREET.

AND MY FOCUS THERE IS THE CHILDREN WITH YOUR HELP, YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE GRANT AND IT'S SO DEEPLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE I'M HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE COOKBOOK THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER THAT WAS HANDED OUT FREE LAST OCTOBER THE 19TH.

AND IT HAS ALL THE RECIPES FOR MARION VAL AND EVERYTHING IN IT.

UH, THE BRUNSWICK STEW THE WHOLE BIT, AND I'LL, I'LL PUT THAT UP FRONT SO WE CAN SEE THAT.

AND ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHY STUDENTS, UH, AND ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHY THAT THEY, THEY GAVE.

ANYWAY, I WANNA SHARE THAT WITH YOU TOO.

BUT I TELL YOU, I CANNOT BE ANY PROUDER THAT I AM TODAY STANDING HERE SAYING TO YOU AND PEOPLE BACK HERE, YOU DON'T PRAISE THESE PEOPLE ENOUGH.

AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS WILD FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY THESE THINGS, BUT I ALSO WAS A CUB, UH, DEN MOTHER IN EDGE HILL WHEN MY LITTLE ONES WERE GROWING UP.

AND THEY'RE YOUR AGE.

CHAD GREEN RIGHT HERE TODAY.

YES, YES THEY ARE.

GOD BLESS YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

AND, UH, WE SHORT WOMEN, I HAPPEN TO BE THE SHORTEST MEMBER OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF VIRGINIA.

I WAS SIX TWO BEFORE ALL THIS BEGAN.

THEY'LL LOOK AT ME, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, I WILL BE, UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT, UH, SHEILA LOVES GOLF AND I COULD NEVER PLAY GOLF VERY WELL, SHEILA.

WE HAVE TO GET TOGETHER ON THAT.

BUT I AM A GOOD BEER CART SPECIALIST, .

AND HERE ARE SOME THINGS FOR YOU.

SEE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOD BLESS.

GOD BLESS YOU.

CHAD GREEN, YOU GONNA BE GREAT IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

MANY UNOCCUPIED COMMERCIAL UNITS AND THE LONG TERM EFFECTS OF THE FU ON THE FAILURE TO TREAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND NEW FROM NEW AND IMPERVIOUS AREAS COMBINED WITH THE OVERDEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL SPACE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF AREAS NEAR YORK MEADOWS, MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE NEXT PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP IS A SCHULENBERG.

SHE DID SHE MOTOR THAT.

ALAN, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? AND YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES.

WELL, HOW COME I'M NOT GOOD EVENING.

REMEMBER THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS ALAN SCHER.

I LIVE AT 5 0 6 MARY BEER BOWER WAY IN YORKTOWN.

I RECENTLY BECAME AWARE OF A PROPERTY TRANSACTION AT 1210 GEORGE WASHINGTON MEMORIAL HIGHWAY.

MY PROPERTY ADJOINS THIS PARCEL AND MY DOG'S BARKING, DREW MY ATTENTION TO A SURVEYOR THAT WAS WORKING AROUND AND ON THE PARCEL.

A SHORT TIME LATER, A SCREENSHOT FROM SOCIAL MEDIA WAS FORWARDED TO ME THAT SHOWED A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTERNET IS FULL OF MISINFORMATION, SO I REACHED OUT TO YOU, MS. NOELL.

YES, UH, VIA EMAIL AND ASKED ABOUT THE SITUATION.

YOU INDICATED THAT THE PROPERTY REQUIRED NO SPECIAL PERMIT TO DEVELOP SO LONG AS A 35 FOOT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER WAS MAINTAINED.

IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT WITH NO CITIZEN INPUT.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO SUPPORT THE TAX BASE OF THE COUNTY, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS I CHOSE TO MOVE TO YORK COUNTY WAS THE GREEN SPACE AND RULE FEEL THAT EXISTS.

I FEEL THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL WILL GREATLY IMPACT THAT EXPERIENCE WITH THE ADDED NOISE AND LIGHT, WHILE SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING PRIVACY AND HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE.

IN ADDITION TO THESE CONCERNS, I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THAT MY PROPERTY VALUE MIGHT DECREASE DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PARCEL IS DEVELOPED.

THE PARCEL CURRENTLY IS MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED, CONSISTING OF MATURE, HEALTHY WOODLANDS AND IS ADJACENT TO A FLOODPLAIN LOCATED NEAR A NATURAL HIGH WATER TABLE.

THIS LAND CURRENTLY SERVES AN IMPORTANT PURPOSE IN THE PRE-DEVELOPED CONDITION.

THE WOODS CONTROL POLLUTION, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, NOISE, LIGHT AND AIR, AS WELL AS SERVING AS A NATURAL FILTER AS WOODS AND GOOD CONDITION AT LOW SLOPE.

WITH THESE ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER REZONING A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY AS A NEW NATURE CONSERVATION AREA AND AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BETWEEN THE EXISTING FOREST AND ROUTE 17.

THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT ALONG ROUTE 17 IS ALREADY COMMERCIALIZED WITH

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WITH THOSE FACTORS IN MIND, I REQUEST THE DESIGNATION OF UP TO A HUNDRED FOOT LANDSCAPED BUFFER OR A HUNDRED FOOT TO REMAINED NATURALLY FORESTED AND REMAIN UNDER AN EASEMENT, PREVENTING ANY DEVELOPMENT AND PERPETUITY.

THESE FACTORS AS WELL CONTRIBUTE TO THE GENERAL UPGRADE AND UPKEEP OF ROUTE 17 TO ABSORB OR OTHERWISE INDIRECTLY UNMITIGATED LACK OF GREEN SPACE.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT PERSON I HAVE IS MARK WILLIAMS. IT'S A, I LIKE THE DRAWINGS.

PARDON? SO I LIKE YOUR DRAWINGS.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME MA'AM.

IT'S JUST FOR YOU AND ALL THE FINE GENTLEMEN.

I SERVE ON THIS BOARD.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

MARK WILLIAMS. 4 1 14 WOLF TRAP ROAD.

I BROUGHT A FRIEND TONIGHT ALSO TO CELEBRATE THE SEASON.

I APPRECIATE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WHO BROUGHT IN THE SHIP.

THE TRINIDAD MAGELLAN WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I READ OUT OF ENCYCLOPEDIA WHEN I WAS ABOUT THEIR AGE.

IT ENCOURAGED ME TO EXPLORE THIS WORLD.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE.

I CAN BUILD, I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, MA'AM.

IS THAT BETTER? THANK YOU.

SO WHEN I WAS ABOUT THEIR AGE, I READ ABOUT MAGELLAN.

HE INSPIRED ME TO TRAVEL THIS WORLD.

I'VE BEEN AROUND IT SEVEN TIMES.

I'VE MET A FEW OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.

AND YOU GUYS ARE DISTINGUISHING, YOU DO LEAD OUR COUNTY, YOUR LEADERS.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU BEING IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

JUST DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO.

SO TONIGHT I SPEAK ON ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED THIS YEAR.

EVERY PERSON THAT WORKS AT THE SHIPYARD, EVERY DELIVERY DRIVER, EVERY HARD WORKER HERE IN YORK COUNTY COUNTING IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO BE A VICTIM.

AND YOU SEE WHAT'S ON MY SHEET, RIGHT? ITP, I CALL IT AN IMPROVISED TIRE POPPER.

SOME OF THESE OTHER RESIDENTS MAY CALL IT A NAIL A SCREW, BUT I HAVE PICKED UP MORE SCREWS AND NAILS ON THESE ROADS HERE IN YORK COUNTY BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LACKING CLEAN STREETS.

OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS REPLACED MORE TIRES ON THEIR CARS BECAUSE OF IMPROVISED TIRE POPPERS.

OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE PEOPLE THAT PROTECT US WHEN WE'RE IN DANGER, THEIR CARS ARE VANDALIZED BY DRIVING ON THE STREETS OF YORK COUNTY.

IF YOU GO TO ANY INTERSECTION FROM VICTORY BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY AT THE JAMES OIE COUNTY, IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND THE METAL.

IT IS EVERYWHERE.

SO WHATEVER IT TAKES THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT YOUR BRAINS TOGETHER, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT I PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.

I REALIZE WE CANNOT USE WHAT WE USED TO USE.

WE CANNOT BRING PRISONERS OUT OF B PJ TO CLEAN OUR STREETS.

THAT'S FORBIDDEN AT THE MOMENT.

BUT WE DO HAVE YOUTH HERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AS LONG AS THEY HAD SAFETY VEST.

SO THERE'S A POSSIBLE SOLUTION CUZ I REALIZE THAT YOU SIR, AND YOU SIR AND YOU SIR, PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO CLEAN OUR STREETS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE V D O T HAS BEEN.

AND IF THEY'RE GETTING OUR TAX DOLLARS, THEN THEY SHOULD COME CLEAN.

OUR STREETS IS, IF I HAVE TO REPLACE ONE MORE TIRE TODAY, IT'LL JUST COST ME ANOTHER $150.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

CLOSED ON IT IN APRIL OF 2021 AND THEN GOT A BETTER OFFER AND THEY FLIPPED IT.

AND THE LAST ONE RIGHT NOW I HAVE IS TOM CHAMBERLAIN.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

HI, TOM CHAMBERLAIN, TWO 70 BARLOW ROAD.

UM, AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.

UM, I WANNA KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SOMETHING IS APPROVED AND IN PARTICULAR THE OLD GEORGE WASHINGTON INN.

UM, AS YOU RECALL WHEN THAT WAS PRESENTED, THE SHOT STEINS AND I MET WITH THEM FOR A WHILE BEFORE THAT CAME, BEFORE THE BOARD, THIS WAS GONNA BE WORKER HOUSING, WAS THEIR WORDING.

UM, RENTS WERE GONNA BE BASED ON THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT IN, UM, FROM NINE 50 TO $1,150 FOR AN APARTMENT.

THEY'RE SMALL APARTMENTS THAT SEEMED REASONABLE.

SO AFTER THE APPROVAL, STEIN'S

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THEY CLOSED FOR ABOUT 3 MILLION.

THEY FLIPPED IT IN JUNE FOR ABOUT 6 MILLION.

SO IT WALKS OUTTA TOWN WITH ABOUT 3 MILLION IN CASH IN THEIR POCKET.

AND THE NEW DEVELOPER, WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO COME BACK HERE DECIDES THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE LUXURY APARTMENTS.

AND I CHECK TODAY AND THE RENT ON THOSE APARTMENTS RUNS FROM $1,869 TO $3,326 PER MONTH.

AGAIN, LESS THAN 800 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS.

AND I GUESS THE GOOD PART OF THIS IS THE ASSESSORS RAISED THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY FROM ABOUT FIVE OR 6 MILLION TO 28 MILLION.

SO THE REVENUE IS, IS COMING INTO THE COUNTY, BUT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WORKER HOUSING.

AND THE ED IN FACT GAVE THEM $30,000 TO TEAR DOWN THE RESTAURANT THAT THEY'D ALREADY AGREED TO TEAR DOWN, UM, AS PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL.

SO WE FUNNELED $30,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY, UH, INTO THIS PROPERTY ONLY TO SEE RENTS TRIPLE WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE PROJECTED TO BE.

AND THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME, THAT THAT KIND OF CHANGE CAN TAKE PLACE WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO COME BACK FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

COME BACK TO THIS BODY.

UM, I LEARNED THE OTHER DAY IN TRANQUILITY THAT RYAN HOLMES BUILT THE WRONG HOUSE.

UM, THEY BUILT A HOME THAT'S NOT IN APPROVED IN THE PLANS AND THEY'VE SENT A REQUEST INTO SUSAN CASTLES TO GET APPROVAL FOR THIS WRONG HOUSE.

HOW YOU BUILD THE WRONG HOUSE? I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT THEY DID.

UM, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE EMAIL INDICATES, UM, THAT I READ TO, TO SUSAN CASTLE.

AND I'M SURE THAT'S WORKING ITS WAY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLANNING DIVISION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, UM, WHAT WILL END UP HAPPENING THERE.

AND MAYBE THERE'S A SOLUTION WITHOUT, UM, A TON OF EXPENSES RELATED TO THAT.

BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPEN AFTER THIS BOARD AND THE PUBLIC GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THESE ISSUES.

AND THEN IT JUST COMPLETELY TURNS 180 DEGREES AFTER THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MR. CHAMBERLAIN.

UH, THAT'S THE LAST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP.

IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD CARE TO SPEAK? IF NOT WHERE? OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU.

MY HUSBAND'S RETIRED MILITARY.

COME FORWARD.

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

THREE MINUTES.

HI, MY NAME'S NADY AND DEL BLASIO.

I LIVE AT 5 0 2 MARY BEAR BAR WAY.

UM, WE CAME HERE, UH, WITH ALLEN AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME WITH BRINGING OUR CONCERN, UM, TO THE TABLE.

UM, WE ENJOY ALL THE MANY ACTIVITIES THAT YORKTOWN BRINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE ENJOYED A LOT OF THE EVENTS, UM, THAT THE TOURISM COMMUNITY BRINGS.

WE LOVE THE BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND ALLS WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRESERVE OUR BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF NATURE BEHIND OUR PROPERTY.

UM, THIS CAME TO A SHOCK TO US AND WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GAIN SOME UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT IS GETTING DEVELOPED BEHIND OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

AND I'M, UM, WITH ALLEN AND REQUESTING THAT A HUNDRED FOOT BARRIER.

UM, WE ENJOY SEEING THE DEER.

WE ENJOY HAVING THAT NOISE CANCELLATION FROM A US 17 CUZ IT IS NICE THAT WE HAVE THAT ACCESS BEING CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, BUT NOT HAVING TO FEEL LIKE WE LIVE ON THE HIGHWAY.

UM, I HAVE A SIX YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.

UM, SHE GOES OUT AND PLAYS IN THE BACKYARD.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO.

I'M RETIRED MILITARY.

WE SETTLED HERE TO HAVE OUR FAMILY AND RETIRE HERE SO OUR DAUGHTER CAN ENJOY, YOU KNOW, A NICE BIG YARD AND NOT FEEL LIKE SHE'S, YOU KNOW, ENCOMPASSED WITH ALL THIS.

AND WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE SELLING FACTORS.

SO WE ARE CONCERNED, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE, ARE CONCERNED AND UNREST ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

THEY JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO ENJOY, UH, JOIN US HERE.

BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US COME UP AND SPEAK TO YOU.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

TURN TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD CARE TO SPEAK? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT AND

[COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

I HAVE NO PARTICULAR REPORT.

I WILL NOTE THAT, THAT PROBABLY AT THE, UH, SECOND MEETING OF NEXT MONTH WHEN WE MEET, I SHOULD START IN THE PRO BE IN THE PROCESS OF ASSEMBLING A LIST OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY LEGISLATION.

YES, I HAVE CHECKED, UM, ACTUALLY THE, UH,

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MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO FILE, BUT AT THIS POINT THERE'S ONLY A TINY HANDFUL OF BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED.

BUT RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING IS USUALLY WHEN THAT DAMN BREAKS OPEN.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT ANYTHING, AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED, OBVIOUSLY IN IN ADVANCE OF NEXT MONTH'S MEETING AND SEND OUT, UM, UH, INFORMATION ON ANY ITEMS OF INTEREST.

BUT OKAY.

UM, THAT WILL BE, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT, THE EXHALE DECLINE.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS.

SIX MONTHS

[COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS AND REQUESTS]

TO DO IT.

MR. BELLAMY? YES MA'AM.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? A COUPLE, YEAH, A COUPLE.

UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR, YOUR ATTENTION SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, STEVE CAST WAS HERE.

STEVE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UNITED WAY, UH, HERE ON THE PENINSULA.

AND HE MADE A PRESENTATION TO YOU ABOUT THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT THE UNITED WAY IS UP TO.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNEW THAT, UH, THE EMPLOYEES HAVE HAD A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN GOING AND, UH, THANKS TO THEIR EFFORTS WE'RE ABOUT 80% OF OUR WAY TO OUR GOAL OF $30,000 FOR THE UNITED WAY.

AND, UH, A LOT OF THIS WAS ACHIEVED THROUGH PAYROLL DEDUCTIONS.

AND THEN THEY HAD SOME OUTSTANDING FUNDRAISING THINGS.

WE HAD SOME LUNCHES THAT THE STAFF PUT ON AND GIVE A LITTLE MONEY TO UNITED WAY AND GET A NICE LUNCH AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, VISIT WITH OUR FELLOW STAFF.

SO THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM AND A GOOD CAUSE AND WE APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM THAT I WANTED TO MENTION WAS, UH, AND KEVIN AND, UH, DARREN TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY BROOK.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OCTOBER THEY WERE HERE FOR YORKTOWN DAY.

I PERSONALLY GOT TO STAND WITH THEM AND WATCH THE PARADE.

WE HAD A GREAT TIME AND VISIT WITH THEM, UH, WHILE THEY WERE HERE.

UH, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. MORGAN AND I GOT A CHANCE TO PUBLICLY THANK, UH, BRIAN FULLER AND CHRISTIE OLSON, SHERRY NEWCOMB, DARREN, KEVIN, YES.

AND THE REST OF THE STAFF THAT WAS INVOLVED FOR THAT IN THAT IT WAS A GREAT VISIT.

WE WERE A LITTLE BEHIND BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

WE WEREN'T REALLY ON SCHEDULE AS WE NORMALLY ARE THAT VISIT WITH OUR SISTER CITIES.

BUT IT, IT WAS A WONDERFUL TIME AND WE CERTAINLY ENJOYED IT AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE EFFORT THAT WAS PUT INTO THAT.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY GOT TO DO WHILE THEY WERE HERE WAS TO TAKE A HARD HAT TOUR THE LIBRARY.

AND THE LIBRARY IS THE NEXT TOPIC I WANTED TO MENTION FOR YOU.

UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DEDICATION CEREMONY ON THE 20TH OF DECEMBER, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP, UH, LITTLE CELEBRATION ONCE WE GET THE LIBRARY BACK TO THE CONDITION.

IT NEEDS TO BE IN ALL THE BOOKS AND RESOURCES THAT ARE THERE.

BUT ON DECEMBER 20TH, A LITTLE DEDICATION CEREMONY AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS AWARE OF THAT.

AND LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THE SCHOOLS AND THEIR BLUE RIBBON, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THEY GOT FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, THEY RECEIVED THIS AWARD.

THERE ARE ONLY, THERE'S ONLY 297 SCHOOLS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THAT RECEIVED THIS AWARD.

AND TAB ELEMENTARY WAS ONE OF THEM.

AND IT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.

I KNOW YOU ALL ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SCHOOLS.

WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT, THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO OVER THERE.

AND THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

[MATTERS PRESENTED BY THE BOARD]

UH, I WANNA JUST ADDRESS MR. CHAMBERLAIN'S COMMENTS RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU SPEAK CALLED THE GEORGE WASHINGTON INN.

IT'S A BIG HOTEL UP ON MACK TRAIL IN DISTRICT ONE.

UH, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IT'S BEEN DOWN, WENT DOWNHILL IN TERMS OF A VIABLE ENTITY, UH, STORM BATTERY AND WHOEVER OWNED IT REALLY LET IT GO TO SEA.

AND SO, AS MR. CHAMBERLAIN POINTS OUT, IT WAS SOLD, RIGHT? AND THE INITIAL INDIVIDUAL, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, HIS PRESENTATION MENTIONED THE F THE RENTAL FEES THAT MR. CHAPMAN ALLUDED TO.

ALRIGHT.

UH, BUT LET ME TELL YOU TONIGHT, I PASSED THAT, UH, HOTEL AND I PASSED IT ALMOST EVERY DAY.

AND I SAID TO MYSELF, WITHOUT KNOWING THE DETAILS THAT MR. CHAPMAN SHARED WITH US, I SAID, WOW, WHAT A GREAT LOOKING FIRST CLASS FACILITY.

AND FOR A WHILE, I WASN'T REAL SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A HOTEL A DEDICATED TO SENIOR LIVING AND THE LIKE.

BUT, UH, HE MENTIONED THIS INCREASED IN RENTS.

THERE'S AN OLD ADAGE IN OUR COUNTRY THAT SAYS, HEY, YOU BUILD SOMETHING, YOU TAKE THE RISK WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'LL GET THE FEEDS THAT YOU LIKE

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TO GET.

KIND OF SOME NEW ANNUAL EVENTS STARTING NEXT YEAR.

AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE, THE HUGE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THIS, THIS FACILITY BUMPER TO BUMPER TO BUMPER CARS, WHICH ON THE ONE HAND TOM TELLS ME THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

AND IF IT'S NOW A LUXURY APARTMENTS, AND I'VE NOT BEEN IN THE BUILDING MYSELF SINCE IT'S REOPENED, UH, THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE CAPITALISTS ARE ALL ABOUT.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD SOMETHING, YOU CREATE SOMETHING, YOU MAKE SOMETHING.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BUY IT, UNLESS IT'S ILLEGAL, UH, THEY ALL THE MORE BENEFIT TO YOU, THE SELLER.

AND HOPEFULLY THE BUYERS ARE SATISFIED WITH WHAT THEY DO.

WE'LL LOOK INTO THE LEGAL ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE FLIP FLOPPING OF THE, OF THE RENTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT THOUGH, UH, JUST EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT YOUR COUNTY, AMONGST OTHER THINGS, IS A COUNTY THAT IS OPEN.

IT IS A COUNTY THAT PRIDES ITSELF ON TRANSPARENCY.

AND LATELY ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EXCHANGE OF COMMUNICATIONS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS, RELATIVELY SPEAKING ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

CITIZENS, UH, ASKING FOR INFORMATION AND THE COUNTY'S RESPONSE BEING, OH, NOPE, NOPE.

ALTHOUGH YOU SUBMIT IT PROPERLY UNDER WHAT'S CALLED THE FOYER, THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, THAT'S A FEDERAL LAW.

UH, WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS EITHER CONFIDENTIAL OR PERSONAL.

AND THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, ELECTRONIC TRAFFIC BACK AND FORTH.

AND THIS PARTICULAR CITIZENS GROUP IS A LITTLE FED UP WITH EVERY TIME THEY ASK FOR SOMETHING, BINGO, THE ANSWER BACK SAYS, NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU, NOT EVERYTHING, BUT NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU UNDER THE SUBTITLES OF IT'S EITHER PERSONAL AMONGST THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTY OR CONFIDENTIAL.

I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN WHOEVER WE WORK, IT'S YOUR COUNTY OR WHEREVER WE COME TO WORK TO DO A JOB, THAT JOB IS NOT NORMALLY PERSONAL IN NATURE.

THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN EMPLOYEES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S MY BUSINESS OR THE COUNTY'S BUSINESS, THEY DON'T COME TO WORK TO BANTER ABOUT PERSONAL THINGS.

AND VERY LITTLE OF WHAT WE DO IN YOUR COUNTY IS CONFIDENTIAL.

SO AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHETHER OR NOT THE ALLEGATIONS THAT WE GET BORDER SUPER RACE ON THE, ON OUR COMMUNICATIONS IS FACTUAL.

I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT THERE'S A STATUTE, A VIRGINIA STATUTE THAT SAYS, AS EMPLOYEES OF OF THE STATE, WHAT WE DO IS PUBLIC BUSINESS.

AND IF IT'S PUBLIC BUSINESS, IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS WHO REQUEST IT UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.

JUST MOVE.

JUST ONE INSIGHT TO THAT.

UH, TWO, TWO COMMENTS.

AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATOR BELLAMY.

UH, THESE IMPROVISED TIRE DESTRUCTION DEVICES.

IF YOU CAN CONTACT V DOT, UH, TOMORROW, THERE ARE SO MANY.

UH, AND OVER THE PAST, UH, ELECTION SEASON, I'VE HELPED A FEW CANDIDATES WITH SIGNS AND YOU LOOK BESIDE THE ROADS AND IT'S JUST LITTERED WITH PIECES OF METAL AND SCREWS AND, UH, DEVICES LIKE THAT.

SO IF YOU COULD TALK TO V DOT AND, UH, SEE IF WE COULD GET SOMEBODY A STREET SWEEPER, UH, IN THERE.

AND THE NEXT, UH, POINT IS, I KNOW WE GAVE A ED GRANT FOR THE GEORGE WASHINGTON INN AND WE GAVE IT UNDER THE GUISES THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, NOW THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE CASE.

UH, SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT MAYBE WE COULD REACH BACK, UH, AND GET THAT MONEY RETURNED.

AND THAT'S IT.

OKAY, MR. ROWLAND? YEAH, THANK YOU.

SO I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY AND KIND OF RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE EFFORTS.

SO ON NOVEMBER 6TH, DURING THE OCTOBER FEST, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH OUR DOCK MASTER JAMES SCR TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT THAT HE WORK, HE, HIS TEAM WORKS ON DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT.

AND SOME OF THE NEW ACTIVITIES HAVE PLANNING COMING IN.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE IT OR NOT, BUT THOSE SHIPS THAT YOU SEE ON THE WATERFRONT, THE CRUISE SHIPS AND NEO TRINIDAD, THEY DON'T JUST SHOW UP OUT OF THE BLUE.

THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO GET THOSE SHIPS DOCKED AT, AT OUR PEERS AND ESTABLISHED AND SET UP FOR, FOR TOURS AND SO FORTH.

THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH IT.

YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF SEWER AND TRASH AND THOSE SHIPS ARE DOCKED THERE.

AND WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET SOME ENOUGH REVENUE OUT THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, AS WELL AS ALL THE REVENUE THAT THE, UM, RESTAURANTS AND STORES THE WATERFRONT, UH, ENJOY WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE DISEMBARK TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE WATERFRONT.

SO JAMES AND HIS STAFF DO A REMARKABLE JOB DOWN THERE.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF GREAT PLANS IN THE FUTURE.

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, A COUPLE THINGS THAT, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING HAPPEN.

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UM, DON'T LET THE CAT AT THE BAG YET.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO NA SOME OF THAT STUFF COMING UP HERE IN THE COMING MONTHS.

UM, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF WORK HAPPENS DOWN THERE WHEN YOU SEE THOSE SHIPS, UM, TAKE THE TIME TO COME VISIT THEM.

UM, CHECK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

IF YOU HAVE BOATS, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE DOCKS TO COME.

ENJOY THE WATERFRONT.

GRAB, GRAB SOME LUNCH, GRAB SOME DINNER, DO SOME SHOPPING DOWN THERE.

UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO APPLAUD THEIR ACTIVITIES, THEIR WORK, UH, A GREAT ASSET TO THE COUNTY.

UH, MAKE SURE YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT WHENEVER YOU SEE STUFF DOWN THERE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOES IN BEHIND THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. SHE TALK ABOUT THE MEETING RIGHT? WITH THE SCHOOL? WELL, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

NO, I WOULDN'T, I'LL MENTION IT.

YOU, MR. SHEPHERD AND I WENT TO A MEETING.

WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHO'S GONNA SPEAK ABOUT IT.

NO, I'M, I'M YOU GET YOUR HALF, I'LL GET MY HALF.

I'LL GET, OKAY.

FIRST OF ALL, A COUPLE THINGS.

REALLY GREAT INPUTS TODAY FROM FOLKS, UH, COMING UP AND TALK TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING, A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T CATCH EVERYTHING.

UH, FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE TIRES, UM, I, I QUITE OFTEN GET INPUTS AND PEOPLE AND MY AND MY DISTRICT WILL ASK, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? OR I'LL SEE THE, I'LL SEE STUFF LIKE ON 17, THE CORNER OF 17 IN VICTORY, WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE TO FIND A NAIL OR TWO.

UM, AND THE ANSWER IS JUST, I'LL CALL VDOT AND I'LL GET, THE SWEEPER WILL COME OUT AND THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT SPOT OR TRY TO CARRY A FEW SPOTS.

THEY CAN'T DO THE, THE WHOLE COUNTY AT ONCE.

SO IF YOU SEE THESE KIND OF THINGS, HEY, LET THE SUPERVISOR KNOW.

LET SOMEBODY IN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY A SUPERVISOR, BECAUSE THE VDO WILL RESPOND QUICKER TO, I THINK TO THE SUPERVISOR, UM, IF YOU CAN'T GET 'EM TO EVEN ANSWER YOUR PHONE.

BUT THEY WILL GET US BECAUSE WE WON'T LEAVE 'EM ALONE.

AND, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND SWEEP THE ROADS AND, AND WE HELP TAKE CARE OF IT.

BECAUSE I'M GONNA GUARANTEE YOU IF TWO THINGS I DON'T LIKE IS A FLAT TIRE AND A ROCK IN MY, UH, IN MY WINDSCREEN.

SO, UH, THAT WAS A GOOD INPUT.

UM, THE THING ABOUT, UM, YOU TALK ABOUT THE APARTMENT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S COME UP NUMEROUS TIMES OVER THE YEARS, OVER THE DECADES.

THE THING IS YOU COULD BUILD, UH, A SHACK SOMEWHERE IN YOUR COUNTY AND GET $350,000 FOR IT.

WHY? THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T LIVE IN YOUR COUNTY.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND, WHICH IS THE BASIS OF, OF LIKE A, UM, UH, COMMERCE IF YOU WILL, WILL, UH, YOU BUILD IT AND PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP.

AND UM, THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM BECAUSE MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT HERE WERE BUILT UNDER THE TOPIC AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THE ONLY THING IS THEY START OFF AT $180,000 BACK.

THAT'S SO BACK IN THE DAY AND NOW THEY'RE FOUR 50,000, $500,000.

AND YOU BUILD A, SUPPOSEDLY, LIKE IN SMITH FARMS, THERE WERE GONNA BE THREE SEVENTY FIVE, FOUR HUNDRED AND ONE END TO BE MAYBE MUCH HIGHER, LIKE CLOSE TO A MILLION THAT HASN'T BEEN A HOUSE.

AND THEY'RE SOLD UNDER $550,000 AND MANY OF 'EM ARE UP AND AROUND $800,000.

WHY? THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN YOUR COUNTY.

THAT'S THE WHOLE DRIVING FACTOR.

PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN YOUR COUNTY.

AND, UH, AND, AND SO THE BIG THING IS WE DO NOT HAVE RENT CONTROL LIKE THEY HAVE IN NEW YORK AND A FEW OTHER PLACES TO, TO MITIGATE THAT.

AND, AND WE JUST SEE IT ALL THE TIME.

YOU, YOU CAN TAKE A HOTEL, YOU CAN TEAR IT DOWN, YOU CHANGE THE WINDOWS, WHATEVER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN A SMALL APARTMENT IS GONNA COST YOU, UH, TO RENT MORE THAN IT WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY LIVE, GET A MORTGAGE AND LIVE IN YOUR OWN HOUSE.

SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THAT TODAY.

AND ONE THING FOR THE FOLKS THAT I JUST CAUGHT THE PART, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I HEAR THE GIST OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOUR, NOW YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE AREA YOU LIVED IN IS BEING IMPACTED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD STRESSED ON AND DEALS WITH A CODE OF VIRGINIA IS OWNERSHIP RIGHTS, PROPERTY RIGHTS.

AND THOSE PROPERTY RIGHTS PRETTY MUCH ARE IN FACT OUR CODIFIED IN THE STATE, UH, STATE CONSTITUTION AND IN OUR STATE LAW THAT YOU OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S EXPECTED THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE MESSED WITH BY THE GOVERNMENT.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER YOU COULD WANT TO DO ON YOUR PROPERTY.

AND, UM, AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT MAY BE CLEAR CUT IN THE PLACE IF YOU GOT, IF WE, AND, AND WHAT THE BOARD DOES IS THAT WHAT WE TRY YOU THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, IDENTIFY THE AREAS WHERE THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL AND WHERE THERE'S BUSINESS AND WHERE THERE'S INDUSTRIAL AND WHERE THERE'S WATER COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.

AND THEN WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO SEPARATE THE TWO OUT, OR THE THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, WE KEEP 'EM SEPARATED SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO LIVE UP NEXT TO AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.

UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS. WELL, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE, YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT'S YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IS THEIR

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PROPERTY.

AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE GET NEXT TO A NICE, PRISTINE, FORESTY AREA THINKING IT'S GONNA STAY LIKE THAT.

AND I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT IN MY DISTRICT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE FOREST IS GONE.

AND IF YOU WANNA SEE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT, YOU GO DOWN TO PCOS MM-HMM.

AND YOU LOOK AT THE LEGACY OF PCOS, THEY USED TO CALL IT THE BIG WOODS.

AND NOW IT'S THE DESERT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TAKEN A, THEY'RE GONNA PUT 500 TO 600 HOMES IN THERE AND THEY'VE STRIPPED IT DOWN EXCEPT FOR WHERE THEY HAVE TO INTERFERE WITH THE, UH, UH, UH, CORE OF ENGINEERS.

SO THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AROUND AND ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES, YOU BETTER KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOU.

I JUST HATE TO SAY THAT.

YOU JUST GOTTA KNOW WHAT YOUR PROPERTY IS NEXT TO, UH, WHETHER IT'S NEXT TO A PARK, FEDERAL PROPERTY, MILITARY BASE, OR WHO KNOWS WHAT, IT CAN BE VERY EASILY TURNED INTO, UH, SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT TO.

AND, AND YOU CAN COME UP HERE AND PLEAD FOR US AND WE CAN LOOK AT STUFF AND WE CAN GO BACK AND VERIFY IT.

THE PROBLEM IS, IF WE GO OVER THERE AND MESS WITH IT IN ANY WAY, BOOM, GO INTO COURT, COURTS WILL JUST, THEY'LL GO FOR THE OWNERSHIP.

IT'S ALWAYS THE WAY THE CASE IS.

AND IF WE TRY TO DOWN ZONE A PROPERTY, BOOM, WE CAN TELL, YOU CAN TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY, HE'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

THE COURTS WILL GO FOR THE OWNERSHIP.

SO IT'S REAL FRUSTRATING FOR US CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT PROBLEM.

FINALLY ON.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVES PEOPLE WANTING TO COME HERE AND LIVE IN THIS COUNTY AS OUR SCHOOLS, WE HAVE JUST GREAT SCHOOLS HERE.

UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO THERE WAS A, A NATIONAL REPORT CARD IF IT CAME OUT AND IDENTIFIED HOW BAD THINGS WERE DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AND WHEN FOLKS WERE HAVING, UH, THEIR CHILDREN WERE BEING TRAINED THROUGH REMOTE REMOTE TRAINING, THAT WAS NEVER A GOOD SOLUTION.

OKAY? BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS NEVER A GOOD SOLUTION.

SURE ENOUGH, WE SAW THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF THAT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT IN THAT REPORT, THAT NATIONAL REPORT CARD, IS THAT IT WAS CREATED FOR ALL THE STATES.

AND WHAT THEY DO IS IT'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A VENEER OVER, OVER SOMETHING AND YOU GET THE SENSE THAT, OKAY, MAN, OUR SCHOOLS ARE FAILING IN ALL OF YOUR COUNTY, OUR 12,500, 600 STUDENTS OF, IN THAT REPORT, THEY ONLY TESTED 40 TO 80 STUDENTS.

THAT WAS IT.

AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT 40 TO 80 STUDENTS IS AN INDICATION OF HOW WELL OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM'S DOING.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND MANY OF OUR EDUCATION SYSTEMS IN THE STATES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ACTUALLY SEE IT.

IT'S NICE.

AND NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THEIR THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM SUCKS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NICE TO COME OUT.

ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, THE BLUE RIBBON, THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, US DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IDENTIFIED THOSE OUTSTANDING SCHOOLS.

BEST SCHOOLS IN THE NATION.

YEP.

WE GOT ONE.

WE'VE GOT ONE HERE TO HAVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ADD ANOTHER STATISTICS, THERE'S ONLY SEVEN IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT GOT THAT AWARD.

ONLY SEVEN.

UM, IN THE PAST, MR. EMBAS TALKED ABOUT NICHE, THIS MAGAZINE THAT, UH, COMES OUT AND TALKS ABOUT EDUCATION.

AND I, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE RANKED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I HAD THE, THE NUMBERS HERE.

UM, OKAY, SO THIS IN, UH, IT'S THE SCHOOL RATINGS, UH, IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FALLS CHURCH IS NUMBER ONE, ARLINGTON PUBLIC SCHOOL, SUBSTANCE NUMBER TWO.

AND YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION IS NUMBER THREE.

THAT'S OUTTA OVER 130 SCHOOL DIVISIONS.

WE'RE RANKED THIRD IN THE STATE.

UM, TAB HIGH SCHOOLS THE THIRD BEST HIGH SCHOOL IN THE, IN THE NORFOLK AREA.

OH, BY THE WAY, THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISIONS NUMBER ONE IN ALL OF HAMPTON ROADS AND THEN CONSTITUTES 17 JURISDICTIONS.

AND IT GOES ON.

UM, THERE WERE AWARDS FOR OUTSTANDING TEACHERS.

UM, I, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH OF IT.

UH, IN 2022, THE YORK COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISION, UM, HAD THE GRADUATION ON TIME, GRADUATION RATE AT 97, OVER 97%.

THE STATE'S AVERAGE IS 92%.

SO OUR SYSTEM, OUR SYSTEM IS REALLY GOOD HERE.

THE, AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, YOU TALK TO THE PARENTS AND YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE AND YOU GO BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU WATCH THE PRICE GO UP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

AND ANYWAY, THAT WAS MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, .

THE PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE POLLS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. SHE, I HAVE A FEW THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY ALSO THIS EVENING.

FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE ALL OF YOU IN THIS ROOM AND THOSE WHO ARE LI WENT TO VOTE, BUT WE HAVE TO THANK

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THEY GET UP AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND THEY SOMETIMES THEY WORK UNTIL EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE PROPERLY AND IS ACCOUNTED FOR.

AND WE COULD NOT DO WITHOUT THEM.

SO IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW WHO'S WORKED AT THE POLLS, PLEASE SAY THANK YOU TO THEM.

AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT VOLUNTEERING TO WORK AT THE POLLS YOURSELF.

BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, THERE IS AN ATTRITION I HAVE TO ADMIT.

AND OFTENTIMES WE ONLY GET PEOPLE WHO STAY THREE YEARS AND THEN WE'RE FORTUNATE.

WE HAVE SOME WHO THAT STAYED WITH US WITH 20 OR 25 YEARS.

SO IT'S A GOOD SERVICE TO YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.

UH, TOM TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL.

WHAT WE'VE INITIATED IS THAT THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THE SCHOOL DIVISION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT MEET QUARTERLY SO THAT WE CAN SHARE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BOTH OF US, WHETHER IT BE WHAT OUR BUDGET IS, WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE FOR EMPLOYEES, WHAT THE INFLATION IS DOING TO US, WHAT THE SPECIAL NEEDS ARE FOR OUR CHILDREN IN SCHOOL, OR THE CHILDREN WHO AREN'T NOT YET IN SCHOOL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR PRESCHOOL AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT PRESCHOOL.

BUT ALL THESE THINGS WE, WE SIT DOWN AND WE TALK ABOUT AND WE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

THEY GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE, OUR NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

AND WE GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

AND THAT WAY WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CITIZENS.

UH, I ALSO WANNA THANK THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE.

I GOT A LOT OF THANK YOUS I GUESS TONIGHT, BUT VETERANS DAY COMMEMORATION DONE HERE IN YORK HALL IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE CEREMONY.

AND I WOULD ONLY WISH THAT MORE PEOPLE WOULD COME TO ATTEND IT.

UH, WE HAVE QUITE A LOT OF VETERANS WHO LIVE IN YORK COUNTY AND THAT'S A TIME FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND TO TALK ABOUT THOSE IN THE PAST THAT SERVED US.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY 1% OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO EVER GO INTO THE MILITARY AND YET THEY'RE THE ONES WHO PRESENT, WHO PROTECT THE DEFENSES OF THIS COUNTRY.

AND SO WE OWE THEM A DEBT OF GRATITUDE ON ANOTHER SUBJECT.

THANK YOU ALL WHO'VE BEEN SAVING YOUR PLASTIC BAGS AND TURNING THEM IN AT THE LIBRARY AND EVERYTHING.

BECAUSE IN THE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COLLECT BAGS AND WE'VE MADE IT A BIG PROJECT, WE'VE HAD NINE BENCHES MADE BY TREKS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT AROUND THE COUNTY TO THE SCHOOLS FOR THE LIBRARY AND PUBLIC AREAS.

AND THOSE ARE FREE.

IT TAKES 500 POUNDS OF PLASTIC BAGS TO MAKE ONE BENCH GIVE US THE PERMISSION TO HAVE ONE BENCH FREE THAT THEY GIVE TO US.

BUT WE CAN ONLY DO TWO UH, BENCHES A YEAR.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

AND, BUT KEEP, KEEP GIVING YOUR PLASTIC BAGS TO THE, AND PUT THEM IN THE, UH, CONTAINERS AT THE LIBRARIES.

ESPECIALLY.

I HOPE YOU ARE USING THE LIBRARY, EVEN IF YOU JUST GO AND LOOK AT IT AND YOU PUT SOME BAGS IN BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

UH, THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD BREAST CANCER THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

AND FOR MANY YEARS, AND OFTENTIMES I DO TALK ABOUT BREAST CANCER AND I REMIND PEOPLE TO, TO GET EXAMINATIONS, TO HAVE X-RAYS TAKEN.

MOSTLY I DO FOR WOMEN, BUT MEN, I THINK MAYBE IF THEY CALLED IT CHEST CANCER FOR MEN, THAT MIGHT GET MORE OF YOU TO HAVE THE EXAMINATION DONE.

IT MIGHT SAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF HEADACHES FOR YOU.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

AND THEN ALSO, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AROUND BECAUSE I WAS AT, I WAS AT A VACO CONFERENCE IN RICHMOND THE PAST FEW DAYS, BUT BEFORE I LEFT I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF POLITICAL SIGNS OUT.

SO IF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE OR, OR THE POLITICAL PARTIES THAT HAVE PUT UP SIGNS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TAKE THOSE SIGNS DOWN CUZ WE REALLY DON'T WANT SIGNED LOT IN THE COUNTY.

UH, SIGNS HAVE CHANGED IN SIZES.

SO WHEREAS BEFORE WE USED TO HAVE REASONABLE SIZE SIGNS.

WE HAVE BIG SIGNS NOW AND THAT JUST ADDS TO THE SIGN GLUT.

SO I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD TAKE THEM DOWN.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, AT THE VEHICLE CONFERENCE, I ATTENDED SEVERAL DIFFERENT SESSIONS.

THEY HAD ONE ON TRANSPORTATION AND THAT WAS A GOOD ONE.

WE ALSO HAD ONE ON SPORTS TOURISM AND ECOTOURISM AND, YOU

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KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING A FACILITY, A SPORTS FACILITY WITH JAMES CITY COUNTY, WILLIAMSBURG, AND NEW YORK.

IT'S AT THE INFANT STAGES, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE, IF WE DEVELOP IT PROPERLY, I, I'M REALLY EXCITED.

I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO PUT IT, BECAUSE WE WANT MORE THINGS TO ENERGIZE OUR CITIZENS, AND WE WANT MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO VISIT OUR AREA, TO ENJOY WHAT WE ENJOY.

AND SO STAY TUNED.

THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.

AND OF COURSE, I ATTENDED ONE THAT HAD TO DO WITH EDUCATION AND WHAT TOM TALKED ABOUT.

AND WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU ABOUT THE MEETINGS IS WHAT EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO DO IN THEIR AREAS.

SO EDUCATION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

LET'S, LET'S FACE IT.

AND YOUR PARENTS GET INVOLVED IN YOUR SCHOOLS.

TALK TO YOUR TEACHERS, TALK TO YOUR PRINCIPALS, AND, AND TALK TO YOUR STUDENTS AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE LEARNING AND HELP THEM LEARN MORE BECAUSE IT WILL BE WITH THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

SO, WITH THAT POINT, I'M GOING TO QUICKLY CLOSE THE MEETING.

AND RECESS, WE'LL TAKE A RECESS

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FOR ABOUT TWO, MAYBE FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, THIS MEETINGS COME BACK IN SESSION

[1. Application SE-26-22, SMM Southeast LLC d/b/a Sims Metal Management. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-157 to authorize an expansion of a nonconforming metal recycling plant at 2114-A George Washington Memorial Highway (Route 17). ]

AND THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WILL CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 1 57, ABOUT SIMS SOUTHWEST METAL MANAGEMENT TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING METAL RECYCLING PLANT.

AND TIM, I SEE YOU'RE STANDING THERE READY TO GO? YES, MA'AM.

UH, THANK YOU ADAM.

CHAIR, MEMBERS OF GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THAT PROPERTY BEHIND THEM, UH, TO ALLOW, UH, TO USE SOME OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THEIR, UH, RECYCLING OPERATION.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TOOL, AUTHORIZE THE EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMING, UH, UH, METAL RECYCLING FACILITY.

THE APPLICANT IS SIMS METAL ON ROUTE 17.

UH, SIMS IS LOCATED DOWN IN THE TAB AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF ROUTE 17, ADJACENT TO, UH, TAB LAKE'S SUBDIVISION.

THEY OCCUPY FOUR PARCELS DOWN THERE.

UM, AND THE, UH, THE BLUE ONE, THE ONE THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ON THE ZONING MAP HERE IS THE PARCEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

THE PROPERTY, ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS OWN GENERAL BUSINESS, UH, PROPERTY TO THE EAST OWN R 13 HEIGHT ENTITY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S TAB LAKE'S, UH, SUBDIVISION.

AND THE DIRECTLY ADJACENT PROPERTY, UH, PROPERTY ADJACENT TO SIMS METAL IS, UH, UH, TAB LAKE'S HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROPERTY.

UH, THE BODY OF WATER, YOU SEE THERE IS LAKE ONE IN TA LAKES.

IT'S, UH, A LAKE.

IT'S ALSO A STORM WATER, UH, RETENTION FACILITY.

AND THIS IS, UH, AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY.

AS I MENTIONED, SIMS DOES OCCUPY FOUR PARCELS.

UH, THE PARCEL TWO PARCELS OUTLINED IN YELLOW ARE OWNED BY SIMS. AND THEN THE TWO PARCELS OUTLINED IN RED ARE OWNED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, BLACKIE AUTO SALVAGE.

AND, UH, THEY ARE LEASING A PORTION OF THEIR LAND TO SIMS METAL.

AND THE, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH TONIGHT IS THE REAR PROPERTY.

UH, IT'S ABOUT 2.9 ACRES.

THE TOTAL LAND ASSEMBLAGE THAT DOWN THERE IS 5.3, UH, ACRES.

UM, THE PROPERTY OUTLINING GREEN IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE, UH, TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

I WANNA TAKE YOU BACK A LITTLE BIT.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS IT APPEARED IN 2005.

UH, BACK THEN, SIMS SIMPLY OCCUPIED WHAT'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THIS PHOTO.

UH, THOSE TWO PARCELS UP FRONT ALONG 17, ABOUT ONE AND A HALF ACRES, UH, SIMS HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS IN THAT LOCATION SINCE THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.

AND THEN, UH, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR WA WAS STILL BEING USED BY BLACKIE'S AUTO SALVAGE, UH, AS A SALVAGE YARD.

UM, 2005 IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT, UH, SIMS BECAME, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE.

UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED TO REMOVE RECYCLING PLANTS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT.

AND SO AT THAT POINT, BY VIRTUE OF THAT ACTION, UH, SIMS BECAME A NONCONFORMING USE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WAS LEGAL WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED.

BUT BECAUSE OF A CHANGE IN THE ZONING OR THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, IT NO LONGER CONFORMS TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

UH, MOVING, UH, 2013, IT WAS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT YEAR.

UM, THAT WAS WHEN, UH, SIMS ENTERED INTO A LEASE ARRANGEMENT WITH BLACKIES, WITH THE OWNER OF BLACKIES, UH, TO LEASE A PORTION OF

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UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE AERIAL PHOTO BY THIS POINT, UH, SY UH, UH, BLACKIES HAD REMOVED THE, UH, SALVAGE VEHICLES FROM THE PROPERTY TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT EXPANSION.

AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE REALLY, UH, EXCEPT GRASS.

UH, THE, UH, UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, UH, GIVEN THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, THE, UH, UH, THAT THAT SIM EXPANDED ILLEGALLY ONTO THE BLACKIE PROPERTY.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME, UH, DETERMINED THAT, UH, THE EXPANSION WAS ALLOWABLE AS A MORE NEARLY CONFORMING USE.

AND SO, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED.

AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT APPEARED IN 2017, AFTER THAT EXPANSION HAD TAKEN PLACE.

YOU CAN SEE THE LOOP ROAD.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE STOCKPILE AREA WITHIN THE LOOP, UH, THE LOOP ROAD.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SCRAP METAL, UH, IS STOCKPILED AND LOADED INTO, UH, UH, METAL CONTAINERS.

AND, UH, SO, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE, UH, RECYCLING, UH, OPERATION, MOVING IT CLOSE TO THE TAB, ACHES, UH, STARTED TO GET NOISE COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS OF TAB LAKES.

IN AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THOSE COMPLAINTS, SIMS ERECTED SOME STACKED SHIPPING CONTAINERS ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN 2018, TO SERVE AS A NOISE BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR OPERATION AND THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

UH, OVER, UH, IN TA LAKES.

UH, THIS PICTURES FROM 2021.

UH, THIS IS A, A MORE RECENT, UH, PICTURE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

AND YOU'LL S NOTICE ALSO THAT, UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, GRAVEL OUT THERE, UH, GRAVEL STORAGE AREA THAT WAS NOT THERE BEFORE.

UH, THAT IS USED FOR STORAGE OF, UH, VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, SEEMS TO NOT GET ANY APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY FOR THESE CHANGES.

UM, THE RULE WITH NON-CONFORMING USES IS THAT, UH, THEY CAN, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE EXPANDED, UH, THEY HAVE TO, UH, APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION.

SO, UH, WE ISSUED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND, UH, TOLD THEM THAT THEY NEEDED TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

AND, UH, EVENTUALLY, ASSUMING IT'S APPROVED, ALSO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN FOR, FOR THESE, UH, CHANGES.

SO THAT'S THE APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.

IT'S A REQUEST TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN PLACE, UH, FOR NOISE MITIGATION, AND ALSO THE, UH, THE ASPHALT, UH, STORAGE AR AREA.

AND ALSO, UH, AT STAFF'S REQUEST, UH, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL WALL OF CONTAINERS ALONG THE, UH, UH, SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, TO BETTER CONTAIN THE NOISE AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MITIGATION, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF TAB LAKES.

NOW, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL TONIGHT.

JUST A FEW PICTURES.

THIS IS THEIR BUILDING FROM ROUTE 17.

UH, THIS IS THE STOCKPILE.

YOU CAN SEE THE LOOP ROAD HERE IN THE STOCKPILE AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SCRAP METAL BEING LOADED INTO THOSE METAL CONTAINERS.

THAT'S WHAT'S GENERATES MOST OF THE NOISE, UH, THAT, THAT THE, UH, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT.

UH, AND THEN TO THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

AT THE TIME THAT THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN, THEY WERE STACKED THREE HIGH.

UH, THEY HAVE SINCE TAKEN DOWN THAT TOP TIER, UH, DETERMINED IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR, FOR NOISE ATTENUATION.

UH, SO WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW IS, IS, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSED TO KEEP, WHICH IS TWO TIERS OF STACKED SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

THEY'RE ABOUT NINE FEET TALL EACH, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT AN 18 FOOT, UH, WALL OF CONTAINERS, BASICALLY.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST THE VIEW FROM THE REVERSE ANGLE.

UH, ANOTHER VIEW OF THE, UH, STOCKPILE AREA.

UH, HERE'S A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW OF THE CONTAINERS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE IN VARIOUS STATES OF, UH, REPAIR, UH, RAINBOW OF COLORS, UH, SOME CORROSION THERE.

UH, SO ONE OF THE, UM, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS APPLICATION IS THAT IF IT'S APPROVED, SIMS BE REQUIRED TO, UH, PAINT

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THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT ARE FACING TAB LAKES.

UH, PAINT THEM A BUFF, TAN OR NEUTRAL COLOR, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, UH, VDOT SOUND WALLS THAT YOU SEE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.

TYPICALLY, THEY USE A SORT OF A B TAN, UH, COLOR THAT KIND OF BLENDS IN WITH THE SURROUNDINGS.

AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT, UH, FOR THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

AND, UH, THEY'RE AMENABLE TO THAT.

THEY HAVE A PAINTING CONTRACT READY, UH, TO DO THE WORK.

UH, HERE'S A VIEW, UH, ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE LAKE, UH, FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TAB LAKES.

NOW, THIS WAS TAKEN IN SUMMERTIME, SO THE VEGETATION, VEGETATION IS PRETTY LUSH, AND IN FACT, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE, UH, THE CONTAINERS, UH, AT ALL.

UH, BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT.

HERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN IN THE WINTERTIME, UH, WHERE THE CONTAINERS, YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE TREES.

SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, UH, THE PAINTING CONDITION AS A, UH, UH, TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT VISIBILITY OF THE, UH, CONTAINERS WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, THAT SIMS BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL VEGETATION EVERGREEN TREES, BUFFER EVERGREEN TREES, A COUPLE OF STAGGERED ROWS, UH, BETWEEN THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AND TABLE LAKES.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, THIS IS THE SKETCH PLAN.

AND THOSE GREEN CIRCLES, UH, INDICATE THE LOCATION WHERE THOSE, UH, TREES WOULD GO.

EVERGREEN TREES, UH, THE EXPANSION AREA IS OUTLINED IN BLUE.

UH, PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, A NONCONFORMING USE CAN ONLY BE EXPANDED BY 50%.

AND THAT BLUE AREA THAT YOU SEE THERE TAKES THEM EXACTLY TO 50%.

SO NO FURTHER EXPANSION OUTSIDE, UH, THAT BLUE AREA, UH, IS GOING TO BE PERMITTED.

WE ASKED THEM, SIMS, THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTATION AS TO THE PROPERTIES, UH, THE SOUND ATTENUATING PROPERTIES OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH THIS IN THE COUNTY.

AND SO THEY, UH, DID SUBMIT, UH, AN ANALYSIS, EXCUSE ME, THAT WAS, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, UH, FROM AN ACOUSTIC ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER, UH, WHO STATES THAT, UH, BASED ON THE GEOMETRY AND THE HEIGHT, UH, OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, AND ALSO WITH, UH, UH, THE CEILING OF THE GAPS BETWEEN THE CONTAINERS WITH, UH, WITH METAL, UM, IT WOULD ACHIEVE A, UH, A, UH, REDUCTION OF 35 DECIBELS.

REDUCTION OF NOISE, 35 DECIBELS, UH, MIGHT SEEM KIND OF, UH, COUNTERINTUITIVE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WE'D BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT A LOT OF NEIGHBORS REGARD AS A NUISANCE.

UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, ACTUALLY, THE CHARACTER OF THE EXPANSION, UH, WILL IMPROVE THE SITUATION.

UH, THE NEW, UH, THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT, NOT TO EXPAND THE RECYCLING OPERATION, NOT TO MOVE THE RECYCLING OPERATION ANY CLOSER TO TAB LAKES.

UH, SO THE EXPANSION IS ONLY TO ALLOW THEM TO KEEP THOSE, UH, SHIPPING CONTAINERS IN PLACE, ADD THAT SECOND, THAT OTHER THIRD ROW OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND KEEP THOSE, UH, ASPHALT STORAGE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE THERE.

SO, UM, BASICALLY, UH, IN A NUTSHELL, UH, IF THE APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE CONTAINERS WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.

UH, THEY'LL BE AUGMENTED, UH, TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL NOISE ATTENUATION.

IF THE APPLICATION IS DENIED, THEN THE CONTAINERS WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND THERE WILL BE NO NOISE ATTENUATION.

OF WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS ALL ABOUT, ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS.

SO, UH, WE FEEL THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

AND ALSO, UH, THAT, AND THE FACT THAT, UH, WE HAVE CONDITIONS IN THERE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE VISIBILITY OF THE, AND THE APPEARANCE OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS FROM TABLE LAKES.

AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION SET FORTH IN RESOLUTION R 22 1 57 PLANNING COMMISSION, CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION BACK ON MAY 11TH AND VOTED THREE ONE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

UH, I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, UH, OCTOBER 12TH, I THINK IT WAS, WE HAD A SORT OF A COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL MEETING DOWN AT TAB LIBRARY, INVITED THE RESIDENTS, TAB LEAGUES RESIDENTS, INVITED PEOPLE FROM SIMS TO COME.

AND, UH, WE KIND

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THEY HAD A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS.

WE HAD SOME GOOD DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH.

I KNOW IT SIMS, THEY HAD GOOD DIALOGUE WITH THE CITIZENS.

SO I THINK IT WAS A, IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING.

UH, I THOUGHT IT WENT WELL.

UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, SO THE, UH, UH, REC, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UH, SIMS MEDAL ARE HERE TO, UH, UH, SPEAK ON THEIR OWN BEHALF, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR ME AT THIS TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'VE GOT A QUESTION WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE READY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM BULLET OF THIS CONCLUSIONS CHART.

, AND I SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL THREE TO ONE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS SEVEN MEMBERS ON IT.

AND THE IDEA WHERE THE OTHER THREE MEMBERS ARE, BECAUSE THEORETICALLY, IF THEY HAD SHOWN UP AND DIDN'T LIKE THE PROPOSAL FOR DISAPPROVALS, THIS DEFEATS THE INITIATIVE.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT, UH, STAFFS COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND 2, 3, 4 MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOT, I THINK ATTENDING THE SESSIONS THAT THEY HAVE ON SOME VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES.

WELL, NOT FOUR, BECAUSE WE NEED FOUR FOR A QUORUM.

SO, UH, WITHOUT, WITHOUT FOUR, WE COULDN'T, THEY COULDN'T TAKE ANY VOTES, BUT MM-HMM.

, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, AS I RECALL, TWO OF THE, ONE OF THE MEMBERS WAS OUT OF TOWN ON BUSINESS.

ANOTHER MEMBER WAS OUT OF TOWN, I DON'T KNOW WHY.

AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER MEMBER AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY, PET EMERGENCY, AND WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT.

SO, UNFORTUNATELY, YES, WE LIKE TO SEE, WE LIKE TO HAVE THE FULL COMMISSION, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THESE IN THESE MEETINGS TOO.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, UH, THERE'S OF SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS THAT ALL CAME TOGETHER SO THAT WE ONLY HAD FOUR.

THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT I SEE A PATTERN WITH THAT PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT, IT HAS BEEN, UH, UH, THIS YEAR WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH FEWER THAN SEVEN PRESENT.

THAT'S THE POINT.

I'VE NOTICED THAT TOO.

UH, I SEE MR. ROME, UH, YEAH.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE SIM'S METAL LOOKING TO, UH, PUT THE EFFORT IN EXPANSION TO TRY TO CUT DOWN THE NOISE BACK THEN.

I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME PAINTING ON THOSE, ON THOSE CONTAINERS.

UM, I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE PAINTING FRONT AND BACK, RIGHT? THE WHOLE, WELL, THE CONDITION OF WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS, IS THE, THE VISIBILITY, THE SIDES THAT ARE FACING TE TOWARD HEAD LAKES.

SO IT'D BE THE OUTSIDE PERIMETER.

WE, ANY INPUT ON COLOR? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT IT PAINTED FLUORESCENT RED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, UH, WHAT WE SAY IN THE, IN THE, UH, CONDITIONS IS B TAN, UH, OR OTHER NEUTRAL COLOR, UH, I THINK SUBJECT TO THE APPROVED OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE SOUND WALLS, THE B TAN COMES FROM THE VDO SOUND WALLS.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THOSE OF THOSE SOUND WALLS.

AND I'M THINKING THAT THOSE CONTAINERS ARE PROBABLY PLACED ON JUST GRIND.

THEY PROBABLY NOT ON A CONCRETE PAD.

ARE WE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE SAFETY ASPECT THEY HAVE IN STACK CONTAINERS? THE, YEAH, THE, UH, SIMS REPS CAN, CAN SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT THEY HAVE, UH, GONE AHEAD AND, UH, WE HAVE THE CONDITION THERE ABOUT BASICALLY WELDING THEM TOGETHER, UH, AND SEALING THE GAPS AND ALL OF THAT.

UH, THEY, I, UH, THEY SEEM TO BE PRETTY STURDY, CUZ ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS, UH, THAT CAME UP FROM THE CITIZENS WAS WHAT IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF MAJOR STORM AND, YOU KNOW, COULD THESE THINGS TOPPLE OVER? UH, SO THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SECURED THEM, UH, TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

ALRIGHT.

RALPH ENGLISH HAD HIS OPERATION.

MS. CROSS, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, JUST A MINUTE.

UM, YEAH, TIM, UM, I COULD, JUST A LITTLE HISTORY HERE.

I WANT, UH, HOW DID, UH, HOW DID SIMS GET IN? LET ME BACK IT UP.

BEFORE SIM SHOWED UP, WERE WE GETTING ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS? WELL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.

UH, I'M NOT AWARE THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER ONE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY DOWN THERE.

DID HE SELL HIS PROPERTY? NO, THIS WAS A PREVIOUS OWNER WAS BUMPY.

IT WAS A STRANGE CORPORATE NAME.

SO OUR EFFORT IN YOUR COUNTY, BE UPFRONT WITH EVERYONE HAS, WE APPRECIATED THE, THE, THE REVENUE FROM THIS OPERATIONS IN THE FIFTIES WHEN THEY SHOWED UP BEFORE ZONING, I GUESS.

AND, UH, EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY.

OKAY? BUT THEN WE END UP OVER A SEQUENCE OF, OR SESSIONS OF BOARDS, UH, COMING UP HERE AND CREATING, UH, HOUSING DIVISIONS AND SUB, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISIONS AND PLACES AROUND AN INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE MIDDLE OF, BASICALLY OUR MAIN STREET, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO OUR MAIN STREET.

AND, UM, SO OVER THE TIME, THE LAST COUPLE DECADES, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS LIMIT THE

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EXPANSION OF THIS KIND OF OPERATION HERE.

IN FACT, THERE WAS ALL THIS TALK ABOUT GROCERY STORES AND WHATEVER GOING IN HERE.

AND BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS A PROBLEM, IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

AND NOW WE HAVE GOTTEN A MORE, UH, INTENSIVE, UH, INDUSTRIAL OPERATION TAKING PLACE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT WAS, WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DID THIS NOT HAVE TO GO TO SOMEONE IN THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO SAY, YEP, THIS WAS A YEP, THIS WAS AN APPROVED OPERATION.

THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED, WHICH WAS 2000.

UH, RECYCLING PLANS WERE A PERMITTED USE IN GENERAL BUSINESS.

SO IT WAS STRICTLY, IT WAS A MATTER OF RIGHT USE.

IT WAS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS, SITE PLAN REVIEW.

UH, IT WAS NOT UNTIL 2005 THAT THE TABLE OF LAND USES WAS AMENDED TO, UH, TAKE METAL, TAKE RECYCLING PLANTS OUT OF THE TABLE OF LAND USES AS A PERMITTED USE IN GB.

AND THERE'S A REASON BEHIND THAT BECAUSE OF THE NOISE THEY GENERATE.

AND THIS IS, SO THIS BECOMES A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING OPERATION IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, RIGHT? CORRECT, MM-HMM.

SO, SO IN THIS REPORT THAT YOU GAVE TO US, OR WE GET, UH, THE SUPERVISORS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF DEALING WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY FINALLY VOTED AS THREE TO ONE, BUT THEY HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS BEFORE THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? WE MET IN MARCH.

UH, THE APPLICATION WAS TABLED AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE OWNER OF BLACKIE'S.

AND THEN IN APRIL, THE APPLICATION WAS AGAIN, TABLED THIS TIME AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT SIMS MIDDLE.

SO IT WASN'T, WE, WE ACTUALLY OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT MARCH.

SO WE TOOK COMMENTS AT ALL THREE MEETINGS.

UM, BUT WE JUST DIDN'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL WE FINALLY GOT TO THE MAY MEETING, WHICH WAS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY TOOK A VOTE AND CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION.

SO YOU SAID THAT THEY, THEY HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, WITH WE DID SIMS, THE COUNTY SPONSORED IT, AND, AND YOU HAD CITIZENS SHOW UP AND YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD MEETING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, YES.

SO TELL US, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A GOOD MEETING? WELL, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, WE HAD SOME, UH, GOOD DIALOGUE, AS I SAID.

UH, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, CLARIFY SOME MISCONCEPTIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, HEAR ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MISCONCEPTION? WELL, PEOPLE HERE, YOU KNOW, SIMS WANTS TO EXPAND, SO THEY THINK IT'S GONNA GET LOUDER.

WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR FOOTPRINT FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTALLING THOSE SHIPPING CONTAINERS TO MAKE IT LESS NOISY AND NOT MORE NOISY.

AND THAT'S A TRICKY CONCEPT.

WELL, THAT, BUT THAT WAS JUST, OKAY, SO THE REPORT, BUT, BUT WASN'T IT, UH, BUT YOU SAID IT WAS A KIND OF A GOOD MEETING.

I MEAN, I WANT TO KNOW WHY.

IT WAS A GOOD MEETING.

I, I JUST THINK THAT WE HAD GOOD BACK AND FORTH.

UH, THE, THE TAB ACHES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.

I THOUGHT SIMS DID A GOOD JOB OF, UH, ANSWERING THOSE.

WERE THEY ACCEPTIVE OF WHAT, UH, SIMS WAS GONNA PROPOSE? UH, WHEN YOU SAY ACCEPTIVE, UH, RECEPTIVE, I SHOULD SAY.

I WELL, OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, BECAUSE WHAT WE DID, OKAY, WE STARTED OUT WITH A PRESENTATION.

SIMS GAVE HER A PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE BROKE UP AND DID SORT OF AN OPEN HOUSE BEAT OUT STYLE KIND OF MEETING WHERE WE TALKED WITH PEOPLE ONE ON ONE.

AND AT LEAST FROM THE COMMENTS THAT I HEARD AND THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD, UH, THE TAB LAKES, THE TAB LAKES, UH, RESIDENTS THAT I LISTENED TO MM-HMM.

, UH, SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WITH THE QUOTE UNQUOTE EXPANSION MM-HMM.

, THE NORTH PROBLEMS WOULD ACTUALLY DECLINE.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE EXPANSION WOULD NOT LEAD TO MORE NOISE, IT WOULD LEAD TO LESS NOISE.

UP THE COUNTY AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND GIVE THEM BETTER ACCESS TO INTERSTATE 64.

OTHERWISE YOU TAKE OUT, UH, AND WE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, GLEN TITUS, AND HE PUT IT, HE PUT IT VERY WELL, YOU KNOW, HE, HE SUMMED IT ALL UP IN ONE SENTENCE AND SAID, AND BASICALLY SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND, UH, NOISE PROBLEMS WILL GET BETTER OR YOU CAN DENY THE APPLICATION AND THEY CAN, THEY'LL TAKE OUT THE CONTAIN.

SO YOU'RE KINDA HITTING THE POINT IS THAT WE'RE BEING PAINTED INTO A CORNER UP HERE.

OKAY? SO WE'RE NOW GOING TO BE ASKED TO EXPAND A PROJECT THAT WE WANTED TO GET RID OF IN THE FIRST PLACE.

WE DID NOT WANT THIS STUFF TO HAPPEN.

AND NOW IT'S HAPPENING TO THE CITIZENS.

AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CASE.

DID ANYBODY EVEN TALK, EVEN TALK TO STAFF ABOUT MAYBE RELOCATING THIS BUSINESS? MAYBE UP MEMBER WE GAVE RALPH ENGLISH OR SOME ONE OF THOSE GUYS, UH, WE WERE GONNA PUT THE CAR PARK OR THE CAR STORAGE OR WHATEVER IN THE HELL YOU WANNA CALL IT, IT WAS GONNA BE

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DID ANYBODY EVEN BRING THAT UP? NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO THAT NEVER WAS BROUGHT UP, BUT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD, BY THE WAY, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO IT, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SO YEAH, I KNOW YOU, OKAY.

SO, SO, SO WE TALK ABOUT, OKAY, THIS ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION HERE, AND I LOVE THIS, AND YOU SAID IT WAS A GOOD MEETING AND I STILL HAVEN'T GOT A GOOD FEELING OF WHY IT WAS A GOOD MEETING AND BECAUSE I, THE ONLY WAY IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD MEETING IS THE CITIZENS CAME AT IT GOING, YEP, THUMBS UP.

LET'S DO IT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT.

I SUSPECT THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

THE SECOND PART IS WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS OF THE, UM, NOISE IN THE REPORT, IT SAYS, AND I WILL QUOTE, WHILE ACOUSTIC TESTS OF THIS CONDITION HAVE NOT BEEN PERFORMED, OUR ANALYSIS IS FOLLOWED.

HOW THE HELL DID THEY KNOW THIS IF THEY HAVEN'T PERFORMED A TEST ON THIS STUFF? AND THE TEST DEALT WITH THE, THE, THE METAL THAT'S MADE UP OF THE CONTAINERS, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE 14 GRADE.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE METAL CONTAINERS ARE MADE OF? DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE CONTAINERS? UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS NOTHING INSIDE THE CONTAINERS.

RIGHT? AND SO THE POINT IS, I COULD GO, I JUST WOULD, IT ONLY TOOK ME FIVE MINUTES TO GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT A NOISE ATTENUATION OF, OF, OF, UH, CONTAINERS TO FIND OUT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK.

I HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY THAT WILL TELL YOU THAT IT DOESN'T WORK.

SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE POINT.

SO WE'RE CREATING NOISE HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO ATTENUATE THE NOISE WITH A CONTAINER SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T WORK BY PLANTING A TWO ROWS OF TREES.

VDOT, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, CAME UP TO THIS BOARD AND WE ASKED THIS QUESTION, IT TAKES 200 FEET OF TREES TO ATTENUATE TRAFFIC NOISE OFF OF INTERSTATE 64.

THE, THE TREES ARE FOR AESTHETICS, THEY'RE NOT FOR NOISE ATTENUATION.

WELL, WHAT'S THE, THEN WHAT'S THE OTHER ATTENUATION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT? YOU SAID THAT YOU IMPLIED THAT THERE WERE TWO ATTENUATIONS HERE.

NO, I KNOW THE CONTAINS YOU NEED TO IMPLY THAT I WAS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

I MISUNDERSTOOD.

SO I I, TO ME, THE ANALYSIS HERE IS NOT REALLY A SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS.

IT'S AN OPINION.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S AN OPINION.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S WHAT THE BOARDS FACE WITH.

NOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY OVER HERE, MR. ATTORNEY.

SO IN HERE THERE WAS, I SAW THE EMAILS THAT CAME IN AND SAID, WELL, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS JUST A, A LOST CAUSE DONKEY HODE ATTACKING THE WINDMILL.

RIGHT? IF WE CHALLENGED THEM ON A LEGAL STANDING AND THEN, AND THAT WE COULDN'T VERIFY THAT IT WAS THEM MAKING THE NOISE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER ASSETS OF THE THINGS GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OUR, UM, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO'S MAKING THE NOISE, AND IT'S RAISED TO THE POINT THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMING TO THIS BOARD COMPLAINING ABOUT IT? WELL, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS GOING TO BE ON US TO GO IN AND TO PROVE THAT THE NOISE ORIGINATES FROM THEM AND FROM NOWHERE ELSE.

HEARD ANYTHING, UH, FROM THE CITIZENS SINCE THAT MEETING.

SO IT ALSO, IT ALSO TALKED THEN ABOUT 200 AND, WHAT IS IT, $250, $240 FINE, WOULD BE THE TYPICAL FINE FOR NOISE COMPLAINT IF WE'VE HAD TO PUSH IT TO THE COURT SYSTEM.

THAT'S TYPICALLY BEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED ON THE FIRST OFFENSE.

AND TYPICALLY THERE'S NOT A SECOND OFFENSE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE MUCH HISTORY.

WHAT IF THERE IS A SECOND OFFENSE? WELL, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND ASK FOR, I THINK IN THAT I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO ACTUALLY DOUBLE CHECK OUR ORDINANCE ON THAT.

BUT, UH, BUT THE FINES CAN MOUNT, I BELIEVE, AS THE NOISE ORDINANCE GOES, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

OR A THIRD OFFENSE, OR, OR WE COULD GO TO CIRCUIT COURT AND, AND ASK FOR AN INJUNCTION, WHICH WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN SIMPLE FINES AND FINES.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE.

UH, IF THERE IS A SECOND, OR AT LEAST A THIRD OFFENSE UNDER, UNDER ANY OF OUR ORDINANCES, IF SOMEONE CONTINUES, IS TO STOP ASKING FOR FINES AS WE GO INTO CIRCUIT COURT AND ASK FOR AN INJUNCTION FOR THE UNLAWFUL, UH, CONDUCT, SIMPLY TO BE ORDERED, TO BE CEASED.

AND THEN IF SOMEONE VIOLATES A COURT ORDER IN THAT REGARD, THEY CAN BE HELD IN CONTEMPT.

AND THAT CAN ACTUALLY RESULT IN JAIL.

WOULD YOU SAY OUR, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE COMPLIES WITH THE STATE CODE? THE CURRENT ONE WE HAVE, YES.

BECAUSE WE WENT TO A BIG HASSLE OF CREATING IT.

RIGHT? YEAH.

SO MY POINT HERE IS THAT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN A CORNER.

SO IF, UH, I MEAN WE PUT AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX OR WE LET IT TO GROW NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH NOISE ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.

THANK YOU, .

UM, JUST GETTING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY INFORMATION MEETING, I, I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT COMPARED TO THIS ONE, EVERYBODY WAS LEAVING.

THEY WERE THANKFUL TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

MOST OF THEM SEEMED TO BE SMILING THAT I SAW.

AND, UH, THERE WAS NO, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY EMAILS OR FOLLOW UP EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS OR, OR WE HAVEN'T

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UH, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THEIR CONCERNS, UH, AND THEIR QUESTIONS WERE ADDRESSED.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY, UH, HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK.

UH, WE DON'T MM-HMM.

, THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING.

UH, WE DID HAVE, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE DID HAVE, I THINK, SIX OR SEVEN, UH, CITIZENS FROM TABLE A CAN OUT TO SPEAK.

AND MOST OF THEM DID NOT REALLY ADDRESS THE APPLICATION DIRECTLY.

UH, MOST OF THEM SPOKE TO COMPLAINT ABOUT THE NOISE GENERATED BY SIMS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW THEM TO EXPAND, UH, SO THAT THE NOISE PROBLEMS WILL, UH, UH, GET BETTER.

SO THE NO, THERE WILL BE LESS NOISE IMPACT THAN THERE IS CURRENTLY.

UH, I ALSO WENT ON THE INTERNET AND I, I FOUND LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF, OF, UH, CASES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY.

UH, I DO KNOW, AND THE SIM PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU THIS, THAT THEY HAVE USED THESE, UH, CONTAINERS FOR NOISE ATTENUATION, UH, AT OTHER FACILITIES THAT THEY HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THAT THEY HAVE PROVEN TO BE EFFECTIVE.

SO, UH, PROVEN, I'M NOT ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER, SO I COULDN'T SEE, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING, TIM, IT DRIVES ME NUTS IS THEY, THE APPLICANT COMES IN, TELLS YOU SOMETHING, AND WE HAVE NOT GONE AND TALKED TO ANYBODY DOWN THERE TO SAY THAT, YES, THIS WORKS.

UH, SO I MEAN, THIS IS FINE, BUT HERE'S ANOTHER POINT.

IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH NOISE ORDINANCE.

YES, SURE.

SO, I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THERE'S AN OUT HERE.

THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR JIM? IF NOT, I'M GOING, TIM'S HERE.

I KNOW I'M GONNA CALL THEM NEXT GENTLEMAN OVER ON THE LEFT, JUST RESPOND.

I'M LOOKING AT OUR ORDINANCE NOW.

SUBSEQUENT OFFENSES ARE PUNISHABLE $500, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE REASON WHY AFTER SECOND OR THIRD OFFENSE IS WE STOP RELYING ON FINES AND WE'LL GO TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND ASK FOR INJUNCTIONS, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE IF SOMEONE ISN'T, ISN'T, UH, PERSUADED BY HAVING TO PAY A FINE TO SEIZE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

BUT JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I DO, WE HAVE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANTS HERE FROM SIMS, YOU'VE GOT 10 MINUTES.

OH, I DON'T NEED THAT MUCH FUN.

DIRECTION THE WIND CAME FROM, THEY WOULD BE BRACED FROM AT A T T JUNCTION.

I'VE JUST GIVEN YOU THE OPTION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UH, I'M JEREMY LAWS.

I'M THE, UM, BUSINESS PARTNER FOR SIMS SOUTHEAST, UM, AND FOR THIS FACILITY AS WELL.

UM, SO I'M GONNA SKIP OVER SOME OF THIS PRES PRESENTATION BECAUSE, UM, TIM ALREADY COVERED IT, SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COVER IT TWICE.

I DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR GUYS' TIME.

UM, SO AGAIN, THE PROPERTY LINE WE DON'T NEED TO GO OVER.

HE ALREADY GAVE YOU A BACKGROUND OF EVERYTHING HERE.

SO AGAIN, UM, WE'RE GONNA SKIP OVER THIS ONE.

SO, UM, FROM WHERE WE ARE STANDING, THE, UH, AGAIN, THIS CAME FROM A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.

UM, WE DECIDED THE, THE SIDE OF THE NEED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COMPLIANCE FOR THE GRANDFATHERED AREA.

UM, WE APPEALED THIS, AND THIS IS AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THAT APPEALING.

UM, SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, OR SORRY, A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE APPROACH, UH, TO, TO THE ISSUE HERE.

UM, SO WE HAVE USED, UH, SOUND CONTAINERS EFFECTIVELY, SEVERAL OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, EFFECTIVELY BEING PROVEN BY BOTH, UH, THE, UH, PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SOUND CONTAINER, AS WELL AS ENGINEERS THAT HAVE COME IN AND DONE SOUND SURVEYS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO ONE OF THEM IS LOCATED IN JERSEY CITY.

IN JERSEY CITY.

WE HAVE A MEGA SHREDDER, UH, WHICH SITS ON THE, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE STATUE OF LIBERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIX STACKED HIGH CONTAINERS THAT ARE, THERE ARE, UM, TWO ROWS OF, UM, 150 MILLION CONTAINERS OR CONDOS, SORRY, THAT HAVE ALL BEEN DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE WATERFRONT IN NEW YORK HAS BEEN DEEMED TO BE, UH, VALUABLE.

SO THEY TORE DOWN INDUSTRIAL SITES AND PUT UP CONDOS.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE USED THESE AT ONE OF OUR LOCATIONS TO BUILD A WALL, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO.

YOU SAID SIX TAPE CONTAINERS HIGH BECAUSE OF HOW FAR AWAY THE SHREDDER IS FROM THE AREA WHERE THEY PUT THE BARRIERS, THEY NEEDED TO PUT THEM HIGHER.

SO THE, THE MAIN THING WITH SOUND IS THAT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE NOISE, THE SMALLER THE BARRIER HAS TO BE BECAUSE YOU'RE ABLE TO DEFLECT IT, UM, BEFORE IT STARTS TO SPREAD.

SO THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY, UH, ABOUT A QUARTER MILE AWAY FROM WHERE THE NOISE IS STARTED.

SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DISTANCE THERE THAN WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING HERE.

SO, UH, THE CONTAINERS ARE INTERLOCKED, THEY ARE WELDED TOGETHER AS WELL, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN'T TIP OVER.

THE CONTAINERS ARE SET ON TOP OF A, UM, RIP WRAP BED AROUND WITH, UH, CRUSHING AND GRAVEL ON TOP OF THAT.

THEY'RE NOT ASPHALT, IT'S GRAVEL BACK THERE.

SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE, THE FOUNDATION FOR THAT WAS LEVELED OUT FIRST TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS BE NOTHING THAT COULD TIP OVER, NOTHING THAT WOULD MOVE OR SHAKE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND AGAIN, ALSO WHY THEY, THEY WERE CONNECTED AND WELDED TOGETHER, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM NO MATTER WHAT

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SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED ANYTHING WITH THAT AS WELL.

SO, AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ISN'T TO GROW THE BUSINESS OF ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GIVE THE AREA FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN A SOUND, UH, ATTENUATION BARRIER USING THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULD BE, UH, PAINTING THE BACKSIDE OF THEM, A B TAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE SET UP TO DO.

IF THIS GETS APPROVED, UM, WE, WE WILL GLADLY PUT IN THE TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL TO BE A VISUAL ATTENUATION, WHICH I THINK WAS THE SECOND ATTENUATION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO.

ONE WAS THE SOUND AND THE SECOND IS THE VISUAL OF THE EVERGREEN TREES.

SO AGAIN, BUT HE COVERED MOST OF THIS.

I DON'T NEED TO GO MUCH FURTHER.

SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERGREENS, BUT I'VE NOTICED SOMETIMES WHEN PLANTING'S PUT IN THE RATHER SMALL, WHAT SIZE ARE YOU CONSIDERING FOR THESE EVERGREENS? WHAT HEIGHT? I COULD NOT TELL YOU BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVEN'T SPECIFIED IT YET.

UM, OKAY.

SORRY.

I'M, I'M NOT AN ARBORIST.

I, I COULDN'T TELL.

YOU'RE NOT AN A I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFY THAT.

AT LEAST BE WHAT, FIVE FEET TALL? THEY'RE GONNA BE EVERYTHING.

WE WERE PLANNING MORE THAN THAT, BUT YEAH, WHAT WE WERE PLANNING TO GET AS BIG AS WE COULD, YOU'LL GET THEM AS BIG MAYBE ABOUT 10 FEET.

10 FEET.

IT'LL BE AROUND 10 FEET.

THAT SITS A LITTLE BETTER.

NO.

ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, SO THE CONTAINER ORIGINALLY STACKED THREE HIGH, AND I THINK MR. CROSS SAID YOU'D TAKE HIM DOWN TO TWO HIGH.

SO WHAT DROVE THAT DECISION? IF, IF YOU WERE GETTING GOOD SIGN ATTENUATION AT THREE, WHY WOULD YOU REDUCE, AND I KNOW YOU EXPLAINED THE DISTANCE TO IT, BUT IF YOU WERE ALREADY HAS STACK THREE AND THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH.

CAUSE THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO CUT DOWN ON THE NOISE BOTHERING THE, THE PEOPLE IN, IN TAB LAKE.

SO IF FREE WAS GOOD ENOUGH, WHY SUBTRACT FROM THAT AND POTENTIALLY CREATE MORE, MORE SOUND? WHAT, WHAT DROVE THAT DECISION? IT WAS, WHENEVER WE HAD THE SOUND, UH, SURVEY DONE THAT WAS SUBMITTED, IT WAS SUBMITTED AS BEING TOO HIGH.

AND SO PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AT THE TIME WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO MATCH THE PLAN TO WHAT THE, UH, SOUND SURVEY, UH, SHOWED.

THE SOUND SURVEY SAID IT WAS TOO HIGH.

WHY? WHY WOULD IT BE TOO HIGH? LOSING ME ON THAT ONE? SO THE, THE SOUND SURVEY THAT YOU, THAT'S IN YOUR BAG AS PACKET, UH, GAVE THE, UH, NOISE REDUCTION LEVELS AT BEING AS CONTAINER STACK TOO HIGH.

SO THE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF WHENEVER WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WAS THAT, UM, WE SHOULD LEAVE THEM AT, AT TOO HIGH TO NOT MAKE MORE OF A VISUAL IMPAIRMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE.

UM, INSTEAD OF STACKING THEM THREE HIGH, HIGH TO ACTUALLY PUT THEM TO THE SAME LEVEL AS WHAT THE SURVEY, WHAT THE, THE RESEARCH SAID, RIGHT? SORRY, SEMANTICS.

YOU SAID TOO HIGH.

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT TWO.

OH OH, THEY WERE TOO HIGH.

SO THEY SAID TWO IS ENOUGH CUT DOWN ON THE VISUAL EYESORE.

HAVING THREE HIGH WAS, WAS UNNECESSARY.

CORRECT.

WASN'T PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL BENEFIT BEING THREE VERSUS TWO? I, I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT.

AND WE ARE OPEN TO PUTTING THEM THREE HIGH IF WE NEED TO.

LIKE THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THAT? YES.

UM, I NOTICED AND I READ THE UH, THING FROM YOUR SOUND ENGINEER.

I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE PUT SOME SORT OF SPRAY FOAM INSULATION IN BETWEEN TO SEAL ANY GAPS.

SEAL, SEAL THE GAPS.

AND I ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT UH, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THERE.

WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED, I RECEIVED, UH, SEVERAL PHONE CALLS, LETTERS FROM UH, FOLKS AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE, UH, JUST TABLE OFF.

SO I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR MEETING, FOR MEETING WITH THOSE CITIZENS AND, AND TAKING PROACTIVE STEPS.

ABSOLUTELY.

I DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS HAS BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS BACK.

UH, AND I COULD NOT HEAR YOUR OPERATION, UH, GOING.

SO APPRECIATE IT.

THE STEPS.

APPRECIATE THE STEPS YOU'RE TAKEN.

APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.

I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE, ANYBODY HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? I'D LIKE TO PLEASE DO SO.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

THREE MINUTES.

, IT'S YES.

MISS, NO, AGAIN, I'M MARK WILLIAMS AT FOUR 14 WOLF TRAP.

I NEED SOME OF YOUR COFFEE.

I'M AN EXPERT ON SOUND, BUT I DO HAVE A BACKGROUND IN ENGINEERING FOR SOUND.

IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE,

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MR. SHEPHERD.

UM, IT'S ACOUSTIC SCIENCE.

I'M LACKING OF THIS UNDERSTANDING.

WHAT IS THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE FOR YOUR COUNTY? WHAT ARE THE HOURS THAT IT'S IN EFFECT ? UM, SECOND I'M LOOKING AT IT.

SPECIFIC PROHIBITIONS.

UH, 65 LES.

IT MAY TAKE ME A SECOND TO CUZ I HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION.

YES SIR.

LET HIM FINISH HIS, I'M SORRY, FOLLOW UP WITH, UH, CHAIRWOMAN HAD ASKED HIM TO RESPOND AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEWS WITH WHAT P PCOS WENT THROUGH, THEY COULDN'T RING THE CHURCH BELLS ON SUNDAY'S MORNINGS UP UNTIL THERE WAS A CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF SUMS, WHICH I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN GOOD FOR YORK COUNTY.

THERE ARE PEOPLE SURVIVING OFF OF RETURNING METAL AT THIS POINT SO THEY CAN FEED THEIR FAMILIES.

CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A JOB OTHERWISE IN THIS ECONOMY.

SO I CERTAINLY WINDS WANNA SEE A BUSINESS IMPACTED THAT'S ACTUALLY DOING GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, GETTING SOME OF THE METAL OFF THE STREETS.

, YOU GOT YOUR POINT.

WELL, MAY I ADD ONE LAST THING, ONE LAST SENTENCE.

MY BACKGROUND SAYS THIS.

WHATEVER YOU DO ON ONE SIDE OF THAT BARRIER, YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO REDUCE THE DECIBELS, BUT DEPENDING WHAT HE FINDS OUT FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS OF OUR NOISE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HOURS OF OPERATION THEY HAVE HERE, THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING, BUT IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF ANYTHING, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE EASILY RESOLVED WITH SOMEBODY THAT'S AN EXPERT WITH NOISE REDUCTION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AS LONG AS THE DECIBELS OR 65 DECIBELS ARE LESS THAN RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

IS ANYBODY BOTHERED TO TAKE A METER OUT TO, HAS BEEN METER.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS SUBJECT RIGHT HERE? NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

GOOD NAME IS CHRIS WOODWARD.

I LIVE AT 100, JEFF FAIR LANE.

UM, SIMS METAL HELPS ME OUT MY BUSINESS AND THEY'RE IN A GREAT LOCATION.

WELL, DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY EARLIER TO THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE, THE STORES ARE GOING UP, THEY'D BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU BUY A HOUSE BECAUSE WHAT THEIR PROPERTY IS THERE.

SO THEY'RE ALREADY THERE HELPING OUT THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY AND GIVING US A CHANCE TO RECYCLE METAL AND HELP OUR FAMILIES AND HELP THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ADDING A COUPLE OF CONTAINERS ON THE SIDE OF THAT THING? IF IT MEANS PAINTING IT BROWN OR GREEN, TAN, WHATEVER COLOR YOU GUYS WANT, THEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO IT.

SO YOU CAN'T TELL THEM.

BE CAREFUL WHY YOU BUY A HOUSE AND THEN TELL THEM YOU HAVE TO MOVE AND GO AWAY.

THAT'S NOT REALLY FAIR.

THANK YOU VERY.

DID YOU GIVE US HER NAME AND ADDRESS? MM-HMM.

I I FRA DID YOU GIMME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? CHRIS WOODWARD 100 JET ROW.

ANYBODY ELSE CARES TO SPEAK TO THE SUBJECT? IF NOT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC CLEARING.

AND WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH ONE FIVE AND SEVEN.

THAT ON CHAIRMAN, UH, POINT OF ORDER.

I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

JUST MADE THE MOTION.

I WANT COMMENT.

SURE.

I WAS GONNA MAKE, OH, I'M SO SORRY.

ADDRESSES THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

I WAS GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION ACTUALLY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH TALK TONIGHT ABOUT NOISE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING IN THIS RESOLUTION AS DRAFTED, WHICH SPECIFICALLY MM-HMM.

UM, AND SO ONE THOUGHT THAT I WILL OFFER TO THE BOARD IS, AND STAFF CAN COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE I'VE NOT DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY, IS MAYBE ADDING A NEW PARAGRAPH EIGHT THAT SAYS THAT THE OP HERE'S MY SUGGESTION LANGUAGE ANYWAY, DID YOU WRITE THAT THE OPERATION SHALL COMPLY AT ALL TIMES WITH THE COUNTY'S NOISE ORDINANCE SECTION 16 DASH 19 AT SEC, UM, OF THE COUNTY CODE? AND THAT MIGHT SIMPLY MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, UM, YOU, JIM, THAT THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, NOT SIMPLY THAT THERE'D BE SOUND BUFFERS, BUT THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO RESULT IN, IN COMPLIANCE.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING IT UP.

WE WOULD THEN MAKE THIS A, AN R AMENDED RESOLUTION.

CORRECT.

BUT WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT MR. BARNETT HAS JUST STATED.

I ALSO WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE EVERGREEN PLANTINGS.

IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT IN THE RESOLUTION AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT OF 10 FOOT THAT MR. SHE SUGGESTED.

WELL, IT'S WHATEVER THEY, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA GET THE LARGEST ONES THEY CAN GET.

I MEAN, NORMALLY FINE BE ABOUT 10 FEET DEPENDING

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ON WHAT YOU, OKAY, I HAD A POINT.

SO THEN ADD, ADD AN R TO THIS ONE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREENS.

WAIT, HANG ON, MR. SHE OKAY, THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

I NOW GET A POINT, A POINT TO DISCUSS.

NOW WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, PROPOSAL.

UH, THE ISSUE HERE, I ASK THESE HARD QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S A LONG HISTORY HERE OF, AND THE SIMS KNOW THIS AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, WHEN I ADDRESS THESE POINTS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST SIMPLY ROLL OVER ON, ON MAKING THESE ADJUSTMENTS.

THIS, THIS, UH, LAND HAS BEEN ZONED LIKE IT IS SINCE IT'S ORIGINALLY DESIGN CAME ALONG.

WHAT WE'D MODIFIED, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE SITE OVER HERE, IS THAT WE CHANGED WHAT CAN OCCUR ON IT.

AND UH, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE STILL HAVE TO WATCH OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

A LOT OF TIMES, MY SENSE IS THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY CAN BECOME OVERWHELMED ON SOME OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF IT AND THEY THROW THEIR HANDS UP IN THE AIR.

WE STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION HERE TO PROTECT BOTH THE BUSINESS AND THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, OF THE WALL.

AND, UM, AND SO OVER THE YEARS WE KEEP, WE HEAR THIS, ALRIGHT, AND SO I, I HAVE MY, MY QUESTIONING MAY BE AGGRESSIVE, BUT IT'S FOR THAT PURPOSE FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.

NOW I WILL SAY THIS, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION, OKAY? BECAUSE WHAT I'M POINTING OUT IS THAT THE NOISE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE STILL APPLIES.

I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THREE THAT'S RIGHT, CONTAINERS, HIGH SIX CONTAINERS HIGH, WHATEVER, IT'S STILL GONNA APPLY.

AND THAT FOR THE CITIZENS OF YORK COUNTY THAT LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, AND FOR SIMS WHO LIVE WORKS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT ORDINANCE.

OKAY? SO THAT'S MY POINT.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

POINT.

ALSO, WOULD YOU CARE TO RESTATE THE, THE RESOLUTION PLEASE? THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 1 57 R TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED.

[2. Application UP-998-22, Wayne Harbin. Consider adoption of proposed Resolution R22-158 to authorize a tourist home in an existing dwelling at 106 Shirley Road. ]

IT'S THE RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 1 58 FOR WAYNE HAR TO AUTHORIZE A TOURIST HOME IN THE EXISTING DWELLING AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY LANE.

AND JEAN, I SEE YOU GOT THIS ONE.

YEAH, GOOD EVENING.

THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE, HE PLANS TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT BY PARKING ONE VEHICLE IN THE GARAGE, ONE IN AN 18 FOOT WIDE AREA ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ONE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND TWO ON THE LEFT AND AN APPROXIMATELY 20 BY 25 FOOT AREA OF THE DRIVEWAY.

THIS APPLICATION IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A FOUR BEDROOM TOURIST HOME AND AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD.

THE THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SEAFORD AREA NEAR MILLS MARINA.

THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED RR FOR RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ZONED RR AND WCI FOR WATER ORIENTED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

TO THE NORTH IS SHIRLEY ROAD AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME BEYOND TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST ARE FOUR MORE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE APPLICANT MOVED THE HOME FROM HIS PROPERTY AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A VACANT LOT AT 1 0 6 SHIRLEY ROAD.

THE APPLICANT AND HIS WIFE CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING LOCATED AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD WHILE THEY BUILD A NEW HOME ON THAT PARCEL IN THE PROCESS, THE APPLICANT ELEVATED THE RELOCATED HOME TO PROVIDE A GARAGE UNDERNEATH.

HE ALSO ADDED A GRAVEL DRIVE, UM, A FENCE AROUND THE BACKYARD AND A PRIVACY FENCE BETWEEN BOTH HOMES ON EACH SIDE.

THE APPROXIMATE 1,944 SQUARE FOOT.

TWO STORY HOME.

HAS A KITCHEN, DINING ROOM, LIVING ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, FOUR BEDROOMS, UH, THREE AND THREE BATHROOMS. THE APPLICANT WANTS TO MAKE THE HOME AVAILABLE TO UP TO 10 GUESTS INCLUDING CHILDREN, EIGHT ADULTS MAXIMUM.

HISTORICALLY, THE BOARD IS APPROVED TWO GUESTS PER BEDROOM.

UH, BUT GIVEN THAT THE UH, HOME HAS FOUR BEDROOMS, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF GUESTS TO NO MORE THAN EIGHT.

THE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, REQUIRE THE OWNER SLASH PROPRIETOR TO RESIDE IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES OR DESIGNATED RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO CAN PROMPTLY RESPOND TO PROBLEMS THAT ARISE WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE.

UH, THE APPLICANT RESIDES AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD JUST 453 FEET EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OR A TWO MINUTE WALKING DISTANCE.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO BE BE PRESENT WHENEVER RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE TO ENSURE OUR GUEST BEHAVIOR IS MONITORED.

ACCORDING TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, FIVE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PROPOSED USE, ONE SPACE PLUS ONE FOR EACH SLEEPING ROOM.

ACCORDING TO

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HOWEVER, STAFF BELIEVE THIS PARKING CONFIGURATION IS TOO TIGHT AS IT APPEARS SOME VEHICLES WOULD NEED TO BACK OUT TO ALLOW ONES IN FRONT OF THEM TO LEAVE.

FOR THIS REASON, STAFF HAS PROPOSED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME TO FOUR.

ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACH DWELLING GENERATES AN AVERAGE OF 9.4 TRIPS PER DAY.

WHILE NO TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THE NUMBER OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR BOTH USES IS LESS THAN ONE STAFF.

DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD HAVE A NOTICEABLE IMPACT ON THIS SECTION OF SHIRLEY ROAD, WHICH ACCORDING TO 2020 VIDOT ESTIMATES CARRIES APPROXIMATELY 970 VEHICLES PER DAY.

UH, THERE'S ONE APPROVED SHORT TERM RENTAL HOME IN THE SEAFORD AREA, THE BED AND BREAKFAST ESTABLISHMENT BAY TREE MANOR IS LOCATED ON SEAFORD ROAD, A DRIVING DISTANCE OF 2.1 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SOME ADDITIONAL PROPOSED CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR PROPERTY SIGNAGE, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED HE DOESN'T WANT ANY.

THUS, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO PROHIBIT SIGNS ADVERTISING THE TOURIST HOME.

THE APPLICANT STATED HE WOULD RENT THE WHOLE HOUSE TO GUESTS FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 AND A MINIMUM OF THREE CONTINUOUS DAYS.

A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO REQUIRE THIS AS WELL.

UH, FINALLY, ALTHOUGH SPECIAL USE PERMITS NORMALLY RUN WITH THE LAND AND NOT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD CAUSE THE USE PERMIT TO TERMINATE.

IF WAYNE D HAREN TRUSTEE CEASES TO OWN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IN STAFF'S OPINION, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AREA FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

HOWEVER, STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED TORRES HOME.

GIVEN THE SMALL SIZE OF THE LOT, STAFF BELIEVED IF LIMITED TO FOUR VEHICLES, UH, THE PROPOSED TOURIST HOME WOULD BE OF SIMILAR INTENSITY TO OTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL HOMES APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND WOULD NOT GENERATE ACTIVITY OR IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.

THE FACT THAT THE OWNER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RESIDE JUST 453 FEET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHILE RENTALS ARE TAKING PLACE WOULD ENSURE THAT GUEST BEHAVIOR WOULD BE MONITORED.

FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED TORRES HOME WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEARBY PROPERTIES OR IN THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEREFORE, BASED ON THE CONSIDERATIONS AND CONCLUSIONS, AS NOTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH AND PROPOSED RESOLUTION NUMBER R 22 DASH 1 58.

UM, ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED THIS APPLICATION DURING ITS SEPTEMBER MEETING AND VOTED FOUR TO ZERO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.

DEAN, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ON THIS? YOU HAVE ONE? GO AHEAD, MR. WILL I HAVE ONE AND I GOT A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

SO, UM, IS ANY, UM, INPUT ON FREQUENCY OF RENTAL? AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE OCCUPATION IS FROM ANYWHERE THREE TO 30 DAYS, BUT WAS ANY INDICATION OF HOW OFTEN THEY ANTICIPATE ON RENT THE PROPERTY? UH, WE, WE DIDN'T GET INDICATION OF THAT, NO.

SO IT'S SO NOT SEASONAL.

THEY, OKAY.

UM, SECOND, I WANT TO CLARIFY ONE POINT.

FIRST OF ALL, ALL MY MAJOR BOXES ARE CHECKED OFF HERE IN THIS NO, NO SIGNAGE, KEEPING THE PROPERTY LOOKING LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, ALL THAT.

SO, SO THAT'S GOOD.

UH, THE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS TALKING ABOUT THE OWNER NEEDS TO RESIDE IN THE NEARBY PROPERTY WHILE THIS RENTAL PROPERTY IS IN USE.

NOW BY RESIDE WE MEAN THAT THE OWNER IS ON SITE ON THEIR PROPERTY WHEN IT IS, WHEN THE OTHER PROPERTY IS UNDER RENT.

NOT THAT THEY LIVE AT THAT, AT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THEY CAN'T BE AWAY WHENEVER THEY'RE IN THAT.

SO IF THEY RUNNING THAT FOR 30 DAYS FOR A MONTH, THEY'RE STUCK IN IN THEIR, WHERE THEY LIVE FOR, FOR THE DURATION AS WELL.

WHEN WE SAY RESIDE, WE MEAN YOU GOTTA BE THERE ON SITE, NOT JUST THAT, YOU STILL LIVE AT THAT, AT THAT LOCATION.

I, THAT'S CORRECT.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.

UM, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL AND, AND, UH, I THINK, UH, WITH THE CONTRACT WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE AND RENT THIS HOUSE, UH, BASICALLY WE'RE DOING IT AS A TOURIST HOME, BUT WE HAVE AWFUL BIG FAMILY.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE, DO THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK? THANK YOU JEAN.

YOU, HOW ARE Y'ALL? WAYNE HARON, 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD.

UM, WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY GET THIS THROUGH.

UM, THEY, IT IS BEEN APPROVED.

THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS JUST IN THIS LAST STATEMENT I WASN'T QUITE AWARE OF OR I DIDN'T TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AS IN DEPTH AS WHAT YOU DID.

THAT IF I HAVE 30 DAYS, I'VE GOTTA BE IN MY HOUSE TO WATCH THESE PEOPLE FOR 30 DAYS.

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WE'VE GOT 'EM FROM ALL THE WAY UP IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, ALL WAY AROUND SEAFORD.

I'VE GOT 4, 5, 6, 6 FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN SEAFORD.

UH, AND WHEN WE RENT IT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD TIMES AT SEAFORD AND A LOT OF 'EM LIKE TO COME BACK AND ENJOY IT.

SO 4TH OF JULY AND, AND UH, THANKSGIVING COMING UP, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO SEE US.

SO IN DOING THAT, ONE THING I HAVE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IS I HAVE TO BE THERE FOR 30 DAYS.

IF WE RENT IT FOR 30 DAYS, WHICH I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WEEK AT A TIME AT THE MOST, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

I, I'VE HAD RENTALS AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO GET 'EM IN MY HOUSE AND TAKEN ME FOUR MONTHS TO GET A MOUTH AND I DON'T GET A NICKEL FOR IT.

SO I SAID THIS WAY I RETAIN THE PEOPLE THAT I ACCEPT AND I LOVE FOR 'EM TO COME IN AND ENJOY SEAFORD AND I CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHO THESE THESE PEOPLE ARE.

AND THE OTHER THING I GUESS IS THE PARKING.

I'M THINKING MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAS ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO EIGHT CARS ALL THE TIME.

AND IF YOU LOOKED AT HIS DRIVEWAY FROM WHAT YOU SEE SAW ON YOUR SCREEN, HE'S NOT AS BIG AS WHAT I HAVE.

AND, AND I WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA VIOLATE WHAT YOU TELL ME TO DO AND I'LL ABIDE BY IT.

BUT I THINK IF WE'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE HERE AND I'VE GOT SIX AND SEARI, SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME OVER TO SEE THESE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WALK, THEY'RE GOING DRIVE.

SO IF THEY GOT FOUR CARS THERE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE THERE.

IT'S GONNA BE A FIFTH CAR THERE.

SO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

UM, I HOPE YOU APPROVE IT.

UM, I, UH, UH, WE WILL BE CLOSE, BUT I DON'T EXPECT TO GO ANYWHERE FOR SO LONG.

BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO BE STRADDLED DOWN FOR 30 STRAIGHT DAYS AND, AND MY OCCUPATION AS A CONTRACTOR, I HAVE TO TRAVEL AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS AND, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE BE A LITTLE TOUGH, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL WOULD LOOK AT IT IN THAT ASPECT.

THANK ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARBIN? HMM.

OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, BUT WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING FOR? WELL, I'M, IT SAYS ON THERE THAT I HAVE TO BE THERE CONTINUOUSLY WHEN SOMEBODY'S RENTING IT.

IS THAT WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.

I I I, I, I THINK IT'S A BIT UNUSUAL FOR THAT REQUEST.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT LEGAL THINGS IN INTACT TO TAKE ON THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE RENTING AND IS ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, UH, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW ANYBODY EXCEPT FOR OUR RELATIVES AND WE KNOW QUITE A FEW OF 'EM.

WE COME DOWN AND ENJOY THIS.

BUT, UH, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THEIR FRIENDS OUT OF THIS EQUATION.

AND I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FRIENDS THAT THEY WANNA BRING WITH THEM ON VACATION.

AND WE'VE HAD, UH, WE, WE HAD A LADY GET UP AND TALK FROM THE COAST GUARD WHO HAS GRADUATIONS HERE LOCALLY, VERY, VERY HARD TO FIND A THREE DAY RENTAL FOR THEIR RELATIVES.

COME IN AND WATCH 'EM GRADUATE FROM.

AND, UH, SHE GOT UP AND TALKED IN FAVOR OF US.

WE HAD OTHER PEOPLE FROM ON THE BLOCK AHEAD OF MEET MEETING WITH EVERYBODY.

WE PUT OUT FLYERS AND WE HAD 20 SOME PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO CONDUCT IT.

SO, UM, UH, AND EVERYBODY SEEMED TO BE IN FAVOR, UH, OF IT.

I HAD, UH, ONE LADY THAT, UM, KIND OF, I DON'T THINK SHE WAS COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT SHE WENT ALONG WITH IT.

SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT WAS KINDA WHAT I WAS EXPECTING, THAT IF IT WAS RENTED, THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THERE FOR 30 STRAIGHT DAYS.

SO ISN'T THIS YEAH.

ISN'T THIS SORT OF A, I MEAN, JIM, I WAS JUST GONNA FRAME TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE, THE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT THE OWNER PROPRIETOR OF A TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR AN ADJACENT PROP PREMISES, OR SHALL DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

THAT'S WHAT I MAYBE THE APPLICANT WHO BE AVAILABLE TO PROMPTLY RESPOND.

SO I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY.

IF I'M READING IT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE, UH, ZONING OFFICE, THEN THEY'LL LET ME KNOW.

SO THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY.

I DON'T THINK IT REQUIRES HIM TO NEVER LEAVE TOWN.

THAT'S RIGHT.

HAVE TO BE THERE ON IN YOUR 30 DAYS STRAIGHT.

AND, AND I WASN'T, IF I CAN, IF I CAN JUMP IN, I WASN'T TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU

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AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND SO FORTH, BUT, OR IF THERE IS SOMEBODY, AS MR. BARNETT SAID, YOU CAN DESIGNATE TO STAND IN YOUR PLACE DURING THE TIME.

THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A RESPONSIBLE PARTY, BASICALLY WITH EYES ON PROPERTY IN CASES, AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPACTING YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND THEY CAN ADDRESS IT, WHETHER THEY BE YOU OR SOMEBODY ELSE.

AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THERE, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHEN WE SAY RESIDE DOESN'T MEAN YOU OWN THE PROPERTY AND, AND YOU LIVE THERE, BUT THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE WITH EYES ON PROPERTY TOO.

ADDRESSES.

AND I HAVE RELATIVES THAT LIVE, I GOT THREE RELATIVES THAT'S BACK CREEK.

AND, AND CHAD KNOWS MY SON, AND, AND HE'S CLOSE BY AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT TO GET OUT.

, THAT'S ABOUT THE, HOW ABOUT THE ISSUE YOU RAISED THE ISSUE OF THE CARS.

YES, SIR.

SO WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO THERE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE ONE MORE, JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS COME OVER TO SEE WHO'S COMING IN.

THEY'VE GOT CHILDREN AS WELL, AND ALL OF 'EM ARE DRIVING NOW.

SO, SO WHAT'S, SO WHAT? THERE'S NO, ARE THESE PEOPLE COMING OVER? ARE THEY GONNA BE IN RENTING? OH, NO, NO, NO, SIR.

THEY JUST COME.

IT SAYS ON THERE THAT IT SPECIFIES NO, NO MORE THAN FOUR CARS AT ANY TIME.

AND THAT'S, AS I READ IT, THAT'S PRETTY STRINGENT.

AND I, I WANT TO ABIDE BY WHAT Y'ALL SAID.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AS FIVE IN CASE SOME OF THE GRANDCHILDREN WANT TO COME OVER AND SEE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S THERE.

I GUESS WE MAKE AN, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE.

GO AHEAD.

MR. HARVARD.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO, AND I VOTE NO ON THESE THINGS.

THERE'S A, I CAN TALK TO YOU, BUT FOR AN HOUR, UH, ABOUT THE PROCESS AND WHY I VOTE NO FOR 'EM.

BUT I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR, UH, GOING OUT, TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, BEING VERY PROACTIVE ON THIS.

I HAVE SEEN, I'VE RECEIVED NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON YOUR PROJECT, AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND BEING, LIVING ON, BASICALLY YOU'RE ONSITE MANAGER.

YOU'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

SO I CAN COMMEND FOR MY HOUSE.

I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR IT.

DO WE, DO WE DO? CAN WE ALLOW TO ADD A, A STIPULATION THAT HE CAN HAVE FIVE CARS.

HE LIVES ACROSS THE STREET.

COULDN'T THEY PARK IN HIS PARKING LOT? WELL, NO, I, HE JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT SAID FOUR CARS ANY TIME.

AND I'M JUST, THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S CONDITION NUMBER FOUR IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED IN THE PROPERTY AT ANY ONE TIME SHALL BE FOUR.

HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CHANGED TO FIVE.

THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.

SO MY, MY TAKEAWAY ON THAT WAS SOMEONE VISITING RENTALS, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS PERIOD.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY IMPRESSION WAS.

SO I THINK THAT WAS PUT IN HERE, BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE PARTIES, BIG PARTIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AT THESE, THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IF WE CAN MAKE AN EXCEPTION.

I MEAN, I, IF SOMEBODY ASKS TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION, WE CAN SAVE FIVE CARS IN THIS CASE, RIGHT? WE CERTAINLY A RESOLUTION.

THAT WOULD MAKE IT AN R A RESOLUTION.

R ANOTHER R RESOLUTION.

BUT YES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, VOTE AT TO CHANGE THAT, UH, CONDITION NUMBER FOUR TO SAY FIVE INSTEAD OF FOUR.

WOULD YOU MAKE THAT AN R THEN PLEASE? SO I, I'LL MOVE RESOLUTION R 22 DASH 58.

1 58.

1 58, UH, WITH THE FIVE CAR THAT WOULD MAKE IT AN R.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22,158 TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED.

SORRY, R 22 1 58.

DID WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? I DON'T THINK WE DID.

WHAT? I DON'T THINK WE HAD A PUBLIC, WE HAVEN'T HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.

NO, I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES ANYBODY CARE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

AND HELLO AGAIN, MY NAME IS CHRIS WORD.

I'VE BEEN 100 RETIRED.

I I'VE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, BUT I'VE BEEN DEPLOYED CONSTANTLY.

MY WIFE'S BEEN HERE THE ENTIRE TIME.

I'M NOW RETIRED, SO I'M LIVING HERE FOREVER NOW FOR HOPEFULLY, AND I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AIRBNB, SIR.

UM, HE IS BUILDING A HOUSE, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE, UM, WHICH IS GREAT.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT MY TAXES, BUT I DO NOT WANT HIS HOUSE OR THAT NEW ONE TO BECOME AN AIRBNB AS WELL.

I'M ALL FOR A PERSON BUYING THE HOUSE AND MOVING IN.

BUT I DON'T WANT AN AIRBNB NEXT TO ME.

UM, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE KNOWING THAT THERE'S LAND NEXT TO ME THAT WILL BE A HOUSE ONE DAY.

I'M ALL FOR A HOUSE.

I'M ALL FOR PEOPLE MOVING INTO THIS HOUSE.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WE LIVE IN, AND I ENJOY IT.

BUT YOU DO KNOW AS A COAST GUARD, I'VE SAILED AROUND THE WORLD.

I'VE DONE THESE AIRBNBS, I'VE DONE HOTELS.

I KNOW

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WHAT SAILORS DO.

I DO NOT WANT, UM, AN AIRBNB NEXT TO ME.

SO I, I, I KNOW YOU SAY THAT.

NOW HE HAS TO HAVE, BE LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR WITHIN 400 FEET OR SOMETHING OF IT.

BUT I DON'T WANT, WANT HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE TO DO AIRBNBS IN THE, OUR AREA.

CAUSE I KNOW IT DOES NOT BRING A LOT OF GOOD STUFF.

UM, JUST FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, MY PERSONAL TRAVELS AROUND THE AMERICA AND AROUND THE WORLD.

NOT MUCH GOOD HAPPENS.

I KNOW THIS ONE'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE WATER AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA, BUT I DO NOT WANT ONE.

SO, , EXCUSE ME.

DO YOU LIVE BESIDE THE PROPERTY OR? YES.

HE'S, HE, HE'S BOUGHT, UM, LIKE FIVE, FIVE OR SIX LOTS.

HE'S BUILDING SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES OVER THERE.

SO HE'S BUILT A COUPLE IN OUR AREA FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL HOMES.

THEY REALLY ARE.

BUDDY NOT WANTING TO BE IN AIRBNB.

IT'S CURRENTLY TRYING TO SELL FOR LIKE $830,000.

AND IT'S A HOUSE OF SAMAGE AS MINE, AND MINE'S ONLY BERATED AT THREE 30 OR SOMETHING.

SO, QUITE DISPARITY THERE.

CAN HE SELL IT? I HOPE HE CAN.

IT'D BE GOOD FOR HIM.

BUT IF HE CAN, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN AIRBNB.

BUT YOU DON'T LIVE NEXT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY THAT HE OWNS NEXT TO WHERE YOU LIVED.

SO THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CONSIDERATION TIME.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

CAUSE IF HE, IF YOU GUYS VOTE YES FOR THIS NOW, WHAT'S TO SAY TWO YEARS FROM NOW OR YEAR FROM NOW, HE HASN'T COME BACK OR SOMEBODY ELSE COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOU APPROVED HIM.

I WANT TO BE APPROVED FOR AN AIRBNB.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE A TRUSTWORTHY PERSON WHO LIVES NEXT DOOR.

WELL, I MEAN, WHO, WHO'S LIABLE THEN? SOME TRUSTWORTHY PERSON I GOT.

I DON'T WANT THAT.

I MEAN, I BOUGHT A HOUSE IN YORK COUNTY.

YOU GUYS SAID THE SCHOOLS ARE AMAZING HERE.

MY SON IS HOMESCHOOLED, BUT THE SCHOOLS ARE AMAZING.

THE THE, THE COMMUNITY HERE IS AMAZING.

AND I LOVE THIS PLACE.

I, I'VE BEEN STATIONED HERE FOUR TIMES IN MY CAREER, AND I WANTED TO RETIRE HERE FROM EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.

I WANT TO RETIRE IN YORK COUNTY FROM WHAT I SAW AND LEARNED AND EXPERIENCED HERE.

AND AIRBNBS ARE NOT THE WAY TO GO.

ONE IN SEAFORD OR WHEREVER IT WAS.

IT'S A GOOD PLACE.

ONE MORE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT, WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S A ROAD THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO DOWN.

I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, FROM TRAVELING AROUND.

AND WHAT, WELL, LET ME JUST PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.

ONE OF THE REASON THEY COME BEFORE THE BOARD IS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND WE LISTEN TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORS SAY, AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN APPROACHED.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S THE MAJORITY THAT RULES.

AND I, I UNDERSTAND AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE WILL COME TO US IN THE FUTURE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND EACH ONE IS TREATED INDIVIDUALLY.

, JUST SO YOU TOAND THAT JUST BECAUSE ONE, ONE IS APPROVED DOESN'T MEAN THAT 15 ARE GONNA BE APPROVED IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE THEY'RE SPACED OUT.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT ALSO, NO, YOU GIVE AN INCH, YOU TAKE A MILE.

SO, I MEAN, I'VE, SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I KNOW THAT'S, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OH, OKAY.

I'VE GOTTA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WOULD CARE TO SPEAK.

THIS WAS GONNA BE A SHORT MEETING.

I'M TRYING TO BE KIND.

I KNOW.

MOVE IT.

WHOSE DISTRICT? OH, IT'S FINE.

BUT I DID, BUT I FORGOTTEN.

YEAH, I MOVED IT THROUGH EARLY.

WE ARE PROTECTING THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THEIR HOMES BASED ON THE ZONING, NOT THINKING I'M GOING TO HAVE A HOTEL NEXT DOOR TO ME.

HELLO EVERYONE.

I'M DIANE HOWELL.

I LIVE AT 1 0 4 HORSESHOE.

UM, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WAS PLEASED THAT THE NUMBER OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO CAME AND SUPPORTED THIS, I THOUGHT, WOW, OKAY, THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE IT COULD BE GOOD IN A COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS LOTS OF FAVORITISM TOWARD IT.

UM, I'M BOTHERED TONIGHT IN THAT FOR YEARS WE HAVE STOOD BEFORE YOU AND BEGGED AND WORKED FOR SOME SOLID GUIDELINES.

AND WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS OF OPERATION AND WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND WE'RE KIND OF WAFFLING ON IT TONIGHT.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

AND THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.

FOUR CARS, FIVE CARS.

THAT'S EASILY RESOLVED BY SAYING FOUR GUEST CARS.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FIFTH CAR, BUT WE HAVE IN THE PAST, HISTORICALLY, WHEN THE OWNER IS NOT ON SITE, THEY DESIGNATE, THEY TELL THE PUBLIC, THEY TELL YOU WHO IT IS AND HOW FAR THEY'RE GOING TO BE FROM THE RESIDENCE.

AND THE REASON WHY WE DO THIS IS SO THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT THE ONES ENFORCING MM-HMM.

AND WE ALSO HAVE THESE SO THAT WE DON'T TURN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS INTO MANY HOTEL DISTRICTS.

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DID YOU MOVE IT? NOW I WILL MOVE RESOLUTION.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT AGAIN.

CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE POINT HERE? GO AHEAD.

UH, MR. BARNETT READ FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE RESOLUTION IS STRICTER THAN THOSE, UH, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

SO IF YOUR DESIRE IS TO ALLOW MR. HAR TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE WATCH OVER THE PROPERTY WHILE HE'S AWAY, THEN THE RESOLUTION WOULD NEED TO BE AMENDED AGAIN TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.

AND IT'S UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER, YOU KNOW, WELL, MY BUDDY DOWN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR NAME, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND, AND HAVE IT KEPT ON FILE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS WELL, OKAY.

SO IF, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, AND IT WAS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES AND DOCUMENTATION, IT WAS, IT WAS WAYNE HAR TRUST.

WELL, HE'S A TRUSTEE.

HE'S A TRUSTEE, BUT IT'S, IT'S UNDER THE TRUST.

SO WHOEVER THE TRUST DESIGNATES TO RESIDE ON SITE TO GIVE OVERSIGHT, RIGHT? NO.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO, IT HAS TO BE MR. WAYNE.

WAYNE HAR AS THE TRUSTEE.

HE'S AN INDIVIDUAL TRUST.

THAT'S, UH, BUT, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION.

SO WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

WAS IT PART OF THE RESOLUTION IN THE PAST THAT THE YES.

WHY, WHY WASN'T THAT PART OF THIS RESOLUTION THEN? WHY, WHY WAS THIS DIFFERENT? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'D BEEN PRETTY STANDARD UP TO THIS POINT.

NOW THIS IS DIFFERENT.

SO, WELL, IT, IT USUALLY DEPENDS ON, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT PLANS TO DO.

THE APPLICANT APPROACHES US AND THEY TELL US, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, OR THEY'LL TELL US, I'M GONNA DESIGNATE A PERSON.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MADE KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S USUALLY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.

UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T LIVE NEARBY, THEN THEY HAVE REALLY HAVE NO OPTION THEN TO, UH, APPOINT A, A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO IS NEARBY.

ALL RIGHT? SO, OKAY.

NOW, ONE OF THOSE OTHER RESPONSIBLE PARTIES WE VOTED ON IN THE PAST, UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO BE RE RESIDE FULL.

THEY HAVE TO BE THERE AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFO WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

OKAY, BUT TIM, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IN THIS RESOLUTION WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THE NAME OF THE OTHER RESPONSE? NO, NO, NO.

SO YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY ANOTHER RESPONSIBLE PARTY YES.

TO BE THERE OR DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY.

THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S TRACKING THE LANGUAGE THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

SO I THINK IF WE CLARIFIED THIS ENOUGH, THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ CHAIR? I CAN SUGGEST A LANGUAGE, PLEASE.

I NOTICED THAT THE, THE MEMO, THE AGENDA MEMO REFERENCES SPECIFICALLY 24 1 4 9 E AND, AND THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION ACTUALLY DOES NOT REFERENCE THAT PROVISION.

AND THAT'S THE ONE I READ YOU EARLIER.

SO A SUGGESTION, THE OWNER OPERATOR OF THE TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD DURING TIMES OF ALL TOURISTS HOME RENTALS OR COMPLY WITH COUNTY CODE SECTION 24.1 DASH 4 0 9 E.

AND THAT'S THE SECTION THAT ALLOWS HIM TO APPOINT SOMEONE ELSE, SOMEONE ELSE ELSE.

SO I, I, I APOLOGIZE.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, THAT, THAT THE RESOLUTION INTENDED, IN FACT, TO DEVIATE FROM THAT, MR. BARNETT, DOES THAT CODE STIPULATE THAT THE DESIGNEE HAS TO BE LOCAL? I MEAN, WE, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO DESIGNATE SOMEBODY IN WEST VIRGINIA LEAVE THAT SECTION TO YOU.

AGAIN, THE OWNER OR PROPRIETOR OF A TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE EITHER IN THE HOME OR IN AN ADJACENT PREMISES, OR SHALL DESIGNATE A RESPONSIBLE PARTY WHO MAY, WHO MAY BE THE APPLICANT, AND WHO SHALL BE AVAILABLE TO PROMPTLY RESPOND, ET CETERA.

AND THE OWNER SHALL PROVIDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WITH CONTACT, NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THAT PERSON.

RESPOND PROMPTLY.

NO, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT, I'M SORRY.

THAT DID, I ACTUALLY OVERLOOKED THAT POINT MYSELF.

UM, RIGHT NOW, IT, IT SAYS THE OWNER OPERATOR OF THE TOURIST HOME SHALL RESIDE AT 1 25 SHIRLEY ROAD DURING TIMES OF ALL TOURIST HOME RENTALS, AND DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY INCORPORATE THE PROVISION THAT ALLOWS HIM TO APPOINT AN, AN AGENT.

SO THAT PROVISION NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO.

SO THE QUESTION IS DISILLUSION? YES.

SO THE QUESTION IS, YOU WANT TO ADD THAT FLEXIBILITY YES.

OR DO YOU NOT AS, AS THE, AS THE RESOLUTION IS CURRENTLY DRAFTED.

CAN I SAY ONE OTHER

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THING? I YES.

YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE RESOLUTION? I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD JUST A CO A COUPLE STATEMENTS.

FIRST OFF, SEAFORD ROAD IS NOT A TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL BUSINESSES ON SEAFORD ROAD.

AND IT IS HIGHLY TRAVELED.

WHAT, SHIRLEY ROAD? SHIRLEY ROAD.

NOT SEAFORD.

SHIRLEY ROAD.

UH, MY GOOD THING, I'VE GOT HER THE, SO WE'VE GOT MILLS MARINA, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, AND WE'VE GOT THE, THE OLD, UH, WELDING SHOP, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.

AND THEN WE GOT WELLS OF SEAFOOD IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

AND WE'VE GOT FOUR COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN THAT'S ON THAT STREET AS WELL, THAT'S DOING COMMERCIAL, UM, CHARTERS THAT TAKE PEOPLE OUT AND, AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY BUSY STREET AND IT'S NOT, UH, STUCK AWAY.

UM, MOTION TYPICAL.

NOT, NOT AS TYPICAL.

I THINK WE UNDER, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND.

SHALL WE CONTINUE? YES, MA'AM.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. GREEN IS TO ADOPT PROPOSED RESOLUTION R 22,158 R TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED.

MR. GREEN? NO, MR. RON, I WANNA MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD THAT THESE RESOLUTIONS MAKE SURE WE GET THE, THE LANGUAGE CORRECT AS FAR AS COVERAGE AND RESIDE BY THE OWNER.

SO, WELL, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME THAT MR. HARBIN PLANNED TO BE THERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WROTE IT THAT WAY.

AND THE NEXT ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING IS TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 2216 OF THE ROBINSON COMMUNITY RESOURCES PARTNERSHIP INCORPORATED TO GRANT AN EXEMPTION FROM REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXATION PURSUANT TO THE VIRGINIA CODE.

BUT IT'S ONLY JUST NOW THAT THIS ISSUE, LET'S LEARNED TONIGHT, WE GOTTA, SO ANYWAY, YES, MR. SHEPHERD? NO.

[3. Robinson Community Resources Partnership, Inc. Consider adoption of proposed Ordinance No. 22-16 to grant an exemption from real and personal property taxation pursuant to Code of Virginia Section 58.1-3651 to Robinson Community Resources Partnership, Inc. for property located at 312 Waller Mill Road. ]

MR. BARNETT CODE OF VIRGINIA WAS AMENDED BACK SOME YEARS AGO.

NOW, THESE PROPERTY EXEMPTIONS ACTUALLY USED TO BE GRANTED BY THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

UM, AND THERE ARE PRECISELY 1001 SUCH ORGANIZATIONS LISTED IN THE CODE IN TINY LITTLE PRINT, UM, IN THE CODE SECTION THAT USED TO, YOU KNOW, STATE THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY GRANTED THEM.

BUT SOME YEARS AGO, THE CONSTITUTION AND THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WERE, WERE AMENDED SO THAT THESE ARE NOW GRANTED BY THE LOCALITY.

AND SECTION 58.1 DASH 3 6 51, WHICH IS COPIED IN YOUR MATERIALS, INDICATES THAT THERE ARE ANOTHER, EXCUSE ME, A NUMBER OF CRITERIA WHICH ARE TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO GRANT A PROPERTY EXEMPTION.

AND BY THE WAY, THIS CAN BE FOR REAL PROPERTY.

AND PERSONAL PROPERTY EITHER ABOVE.

AND THE REQUEST IS FOR BOTH.

AND ALSO TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE.

I THINK IN THIS CASE, AS OF JANUARY ONE OF THIS YEAR.

UM, AND I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT OR COMMUNICATED PRIMARILY BY, UM, BY EMAIL AND ASKED FOR, UM, UH, RESPONSES AS TO EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. MM-HMM.

, AND THEY ARE, THEY INCLUDED, THEIR FIRST WAS AN, UM, A LETTER AND THAT'S INCLUDED, UH, UM, TO TWO, UH, MR. MORGAN COPIED TO ME HAND DELIVERED, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT DATE AT JUNE 28TH.

AND THEN, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, I ASKED FOR SOME CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I, I INDICATED TO THE APPLICANT, I SAID, WHAT, WHAT YOU REALLY SEEM TO BE EXPLAINING IS MORE OF RATHER THAN WHAT ROBINSON COMMUNITY RESOURCE PARTNERSHIP INC.

IS YOU'VE IN YOU, YOU'VE GIVEN US A, A, AN EXPLANATION OF WHO YOUR TENANT IS GOING TO BE.

AND THAT'S CDR CDR.

UM, AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, OR RATHER, EXCUSE ME, COMMUNITY SERVICES COALITION INC.

UM, AND CDR.

UM, AND I, SO I ASKED FOR A LITTLE FURTHER AMPLIFICATION ON EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, AND THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED.

UM, I HAVE SEEN THEIR, THEIR CHARTER, THEIR CORPORATE CHARTER, WHICH INDICATES THAT THEIR, THEIR PURPOSE IS IN FACT TO OPERATE THIS PROPERTY AND LEASE IT TO 5 0 1 C THREE ORGANIZATIONS.

LISTED AS TAX EXEMPT UNDER, UM, SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES MM-HMM.

UM, AND AS THE, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S MEMO POINTS OUT, THIS PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY, IN FACT UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP, UM,

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SO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THAT, UM, UH, THAT THE BOARD, UM, UH, COULD ADOPT A, THIS ORDINANCE.

BUT ANYWAY, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE, INTENDED TO BE HERE.

I WE'VE NEVER MET EACH OTHER FACE TO FACE.

HERE SHE IS STANDING BACK OVER THAT WAY.

SO SHE CAN ADDRESS AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS DURING THE PUPPY TIME WITH THE APPLICANT CARE TO SPEAK.

ONLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

I AM JENNY CRONAN AND I, I, UM, DON'T LIVE IN NURO COUNTY, BUT, UM, I AM THE BOARD CHAIR OF, UM, ROBINSON COMMUNITY RESOURCES PARTNERSHIPS.

AND WE'LL JUST SAY R C P OR WE WILL BE HERE VERY LATE.

SO, UM, IT, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY HAS BEEN LEASED TO CDR.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND THEIR PRESENCE.

UM, I, I BELIEVE YOU ALL KNOW THEM VERY WELL, SO I, I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THAT, BUT, UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR A TAX ABATEMENT BECAUSE IT IS A, UM, LEGITIMATE USE OF THEIR, OF YOUR COUNTY'S MONEY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, OKAY.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M READY TO ANSWER.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MRS. REBA? YEAH, I THINK I HEARD THE TERM IT'S BEING LEASED CORRECT? BY C THE LONG TERM LEASE CDR WILL BE THERE FOR, SO, SO THE ASSOCIATION IS RECEIVING MONEY FOR THE BUILDING BEING OCCUPIED BY CDR AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATION, CORRECT? WE, BUT OUR RENT IS, UM, LESS THAN 50 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT.

AND SO IT ESSENTIALLY COVERS THE COST OF INSURING THE BUILDING.

AND THEN CDR IS ABLE TO CLAIM THE, UM, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MARKET RENT AND THE RENT.

THEY PAY FOR A NON-FEDERAL SHARE FOR THEIR, UM, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GRANTS THAT THEY GET.

IT'S SO IS THAT CLEAR? THE ASSOCIATION, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, UM, MAKES NOTHING ON THE DEAL, CORRECT? RIGHT.

IT'S A PAPER TRANSFER CHARITABLE ALL AROUND.

, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION.

WE OPEN THE PUBLIC AREA.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE? PAUL? GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS, UH, PAUL SCOTT.

I SERVE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CHILD DEVELOPMENT RESOURCES.

WE ARE THE BENEFICIARY OF A, A VERY LOW COST LEASE.

AND, UH, AS MS. KRON HAS POINTED OUT, UM, WE PAY THEM THE MODICUM OF RENT THAT'S REQUIRED TO COVER THE INSURANCE.

UM, OUR BOARD ON THURSDAY NIGHT MEETS AND WE'RE GONNA REVIEW A REVISED PLAN.

THE FIRST PLAN WE HAD WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE.

UM, COVID MADE THINGS VERY EXPENSIVE FOR EVERYBODY TRYING TO BUILD ANYTHING.

UM, SO WE HAD TO MODIFY THE PLAN TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AFFORDABLE.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT ON THURSDAY, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE COST ESTIMATES, UH, IN HAND BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, AT THAT POINT, OUR BOARD WOULD RECONVENE AND, AND CONSIDER, UH, VOTE TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AFTER ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITTING.

UH, WE HOPE THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD TAKE ABOUT A YEAR, UH, AND THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING ALL 100 OF OUR EMPLOYEES INTO THAT, INTO THAT BUILD ONTO THAT SITE.

UM, WE HAVE WORKED, UH, CLOSELY WITH A FEW ADJACENT GROUPS.

ONE IS THE MASTER GARDENERS WHO JUST WERE, UH, RECIPIENTS OF A BIG GRANT TO EXPAND THAT GARDEN.

IT'S RIGHT ON THAT SITE, BUT IT ACTUALLY SITS ON THE FLAG LOT THE, THE CITY WILLIAMSBURG OWNS.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH YORK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UH, TO EXPLORE THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT BUILDING TO SERVE AS A BACKUP ASSEMBLY SITE FOR, UM, TRAGIC SITUATIONS LIKE WE SAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA RECENTLY.

AND WE HAVE, NOW THAT THE BUILDING'S CURRENTLY VACANT, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD DEA AND SWAT IN THERE DOING TRAININGS.

I THINK THEY'VE HAD FOUR TRAININGS IN THERE SO THAT THEIR OFFICERS CAN LEARN HOW TO MOVE AND COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER AS THEY MOVE THROUGHOUT BUILDINGS, CUZ IT'S GOT RIGHT NOW SORT OF A CATACOMB LAYOUT.

AND THEY REALLY FELT THAT THAT HAD A LOT OF, UH, APPEAL TO THEM TO TRAIN NEW SWAT MEMBERS IN HOW TO COMMUNICATE AS THEY MOVE THROUGH AN ENCLOSED SPACE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD USE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S GONNA SERVE AS CDR HOME FAR INTO THE FUTURE.

WE HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO RENOVATING THAT AND HAVE IT SERVE, UH, RELOCATING ALL OF OUR SITES THAT CURRENTLY ARE IN JAMES CITY COUNTY AND MOVING THEM INTO YORK.

THE REDESIGN IS GONNA ALLOW US TO ESTABLISH A VERY LARGE TRAINING SPACE IN AN ADDITION THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE ASKED TO CONSIDER.

UH, AND WE HOPE TO USE THAT SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE TRAINING.

SO WE'RE GONNA BRING IN PROFESSIONALS FROM ACROSS THE STATE, UH, AND EVEN LOCALLY TO OFFER A LARGE TRAINING ROOM FOR, UM, JUST GATHERINGS FOR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO, HAPPY TO ACCEPT ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT CDR USE IN OUR PLANS, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT WE, WE SPEAK IN

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ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO CARES TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? SEE NONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I MOVE THAT WE MOVE ORDINANCE OR, UH, 2216.

MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

WILL CALL PLEASE.

THE MOTION MADE BY MR. RH TO ADOPT PROPOSED ORDINANCE NUMBER 2216 TO GRANT AN EXEMPTION FROM REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXATION TO ROBINSON COMMUNITY RESOURCES PARTNERSHIP INC.

FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THREE 12 WALLER MILL ROAD.

[CONSENT CALENDAR]

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

NUMBER FIVE IS THE PROCUREMENT REQUEST, WHICH IS FOR FLEET MANAGEMENT.

NUMBER SIX IS A BRANDING WINE PUMP STATION REHABILITATION, WHICH WE NEED.

NUMBER SEVEN IS THE RETIREMENT OF DANNY DIGGS AS SHERIFF FOR YOUR COUNTY AND THE CITY OF PCOS.

NUMBER EIGHT IS TO COMMEND PERSONNEL WHO RESPONDED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN RESPONSE TO HURRICANE IAN.

NINE IS THE EMPLOYER OF THE QUARTER, DAVID BROOKS.

AND NUMBER 10 IS THE COMMENDATION OF A RETIREMENT EMPLOYEE, MICHAEL DUNSTON.

ITEM 11 IS, UH, AMERICA A VIRGINIA AMERICA COMMISSION.

AND IS THERE ANYONE THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL? I'D LIKE TO TAKE NUMBER SIX.

NUMBER SIX.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO PULL? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL PULL NUMBER SIX.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT? YEAH, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK.

A JUST COMMENTS AND, AND A WORD OF APPRECIATION FOR MR. RICHARD SUTTON.

AND, UH, MR. TIM ORHAN TO SPEND A COUPLE HOURS WITH ME LAST TUESDAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT STATION, THAT PUMPING STATION IN PARTICULAR IN ANOTHER ONE AS WELL.

KIND OF GIMME AN IN DEPTH BEHIND THE SCENE, LOOK ON, ON THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND IT'S, IT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AND MR. SUTTON REMINDED ME, OR MR. OR MR. WORTHON, I THINK REMINDED ME THAT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY MAYBE THE SINGLE BIGGEST, UH, PHYSICAL ASSET OF, OF THE COUNTY IS THEIR ENTIRE, UM, SEWER SYSTEM.

AND IN PARTICULAR, THIS PUMP STATION, I THINK WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN THE SEVENTIES.

SO IT HAS SERVED IT TIME AND WE'VE GOTTEN OUR MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF IT.

AND WHILE IT'S GONNA BE NO SMALL ENDEAVOR AND, AND NOT EXACTLY A, A CHEAP DEAL, UH, TO REPLACE IT, WHAT I, WHAT I SAW, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS ATTENTION AND A REHABILITATION AND, AND NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT.

SO AGAIN, APPRECIATION TO TIM AND RICHARD TO SHOW ME, RYAN TO GIMME BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE BETTER.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING THIS TAKEN CARE OF.